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● Apr 02
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[00:07]	matey	/me wonders if anyone ever mixed "hometown" by adele with "my hometown" by springsteen
[00:07]	MinceR	[Subject Hometown Here]
[00:10]	matey	i guess there was an artist in belarus who used to paint jews flying over housetops playing the fiddle?
[00:10]	matey	from vitebsk
[00:11]	matey	/me plays the devil went down the georgia (other georgia)
[00:11]		*psydruid wonders if anyone has ever joined "like a hurricane" by neil young with "I'm on fire" by bruce springsteen
[00:12]	matey	bruce was very calm for a guy who was on fire
[00:12]	matey	thats the first thing they say you should do in a fire, is dont panic
[00:12]	MinceR	the only mashup i remember hearing was of "Don't Stop" by ATB(?) and "Bla Bla Bla" by Gigi D'Agostino
[00:12]	matey	hes the very model of a safety officer. except for being on fire of course
[00:12]	matey	oh my favourite maships are by dj earworm 
[00:12]	matey	except for the name of course. 
[00:13]	matey	/me imagines that maships are like mashed potatoes, except with turnips as a subtstitute
[00:13]	MinceR	:)
[00:13]	matey	theyre ok with the right seasoning
[00:13]	matey	good for you too
[00:14]	matey	they go well with cabbage
[00:14]	matey	at least as well as anything can
[00:15]	matey	at this point i have SOME idea how to do a mashup, so if i ever find myself with $5000 to blow on mixing equipment...
[00:15]	matey	/me could do it more cheaply, but thats no fun
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[00:16]	matey	im not saying it would be any good
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[00:16]	matey	/me has a text file with many "cue points" for playing "too funky" by george michael
[00:16]	matey	you can have some fun with that, but its limited
[00:17]	matey	i think i would have to actually install pulseaudio (possible, just not desirable) to get it to actually mix two audio tracks together
[00:17]	matey	in realtime, without preprocessing
[00:18]	matey	i swear there used to be another option. obviously thats gone by the wayside, assuming it existed
[00:18]	matey	theres jack audio, but im not sure what it wants/needs
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[00:19]	XRevan86	Did someone say "PipeWire"?
[00:19]	matey	/me refuses
[00:19]	matey	i refuse to use any new shit, but the old shit isnt supported
[00:20]	matey	i may change my mind at some point, but by then there will probably be new new shit
[00:20]	matey	/me waits for baph os to be based on bsd
[00:20]	XRevan86	matey: That's an interesting take on software evaluation.
[00:20]	XRevan86	new==bad
[00:20]	matey	its a simplified explanation and not entirely true.
[00:20]	matey	i do use new things
[00:21]	matey	i just dont like having new things shoved forcefully up my
[00:21]	matey	"we move on"
[00:21]	XRevan86	matey: Look at qpwgraph and Helvum.
[00:21]	matey	thanks. i havent heard of them, so they cant be ALL bad
[00:21]	matey	/me liked systemd before it went all mainstream
[00:21]	matey	thats a lie of course-- but i definitely preferred it that way
[00:22]	XRevan86	These are patchbays/graphs for PipeWire.
[00:22]	matey	aww
[00:22]	matey	i havent made a final decision about pipewire yet
[00:22]	matey	its ibm isnt it? something like that.
[00:22]	XRevan86	qjackctl and Carla will work too.
[00:23]	activelow	matey: bsd kernel?
[00:23]	matey	PipeWire is Free Software and is developed in the open. It was created by Wim Taymans, Principal Engineer at Red Hat and co-creator of the GStreamer multimedia framework.
[00:23]	matey	<activelow> matey: bsd kernel? <- yes, but no rush
[00:23]	matey	<XRevan86> qjackctl and Carla will work too. <- the real problem is that like roy, im waiting for github to die
[00:24]	matey	but i want to push it off a very tall building, i dont want to wait 15 years
[00:24]	matey	so basically at this point, i DO avoid most new software-- just not solely because its new
[00:24]	matey	because its all tainted by monopolies i wish would hurry up and die already (but unlike roy im not so ridiculously optimistic)
[00:24]	XRevan86	matey: https://gitlab.com/rncbc/qjackctl your point?
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[00:24]	TR Bot	Nuno Capela / qjackctl GitLab
[00:25]	matey	https://gitlab.com/rncbc/qjackctl <- \o/
[00:25]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gitlab.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gitlab.com/rncbc/qjackctl
[00:25]	matey	its nice when developers display a bit of sense.
[00:25]	matey	ive actually used qjackctl, for something...
[00:25]	matey	but it was a couple years ago so
[00:26]	XRevan86	PipeWire, qjackctl and Helvum are also on GitLab.
[00:26]	matey	QjackCtl is a simple Qt application to control the JACK sound server daemon <- so its just jack + some gui
[00:26]	XRevan86	qpwgraph I mean
[00:26]	matey	ill look at helvum
[00:27]	XRevan86	matey: Yea, but the important part is the graph. qpwgraph is made by the same developer specifically for PipeWire.
[00:27]	matey	what id like to do as far as mixing goes (this assumes a situation where i have more to spend than i do now of course)
[00:27]	matey	is just get standalone dj equipment
[00:27]	matey	the problem with standalone dj equipment, apart from being more expensive...
[00:27]	matey	is theyre busy trying to turn it all into cloud shit
[00:27]	matey	with dj equipment righ tnow you have a choice
[00:28]	matey	cheaper, but usable mixer "controller" with non-free software, OR...
[00:28]	XRevan86	PipeWire and JACKd are the solutions here, the latter being the far harder to use one 
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[00:28]	matey	standalone hardware that doesnt require software.
[00:28]	matey	presumably its all firmware then
[00:29]	matey	the problem is, the longer things go on, the more the industry realises it can tie their "standalone" stuff into web-based shit
[00:29]	matey	or otherwise online update shit
[00:29]	XRevan86	matey: That's assuming it doesn't need any software trickery.
[00:29]	matey	<XRevan86> matey: That's assuming it doesn't need any software trickery. <- of course
[00:29]	matey	but since i dont have $5000 to blow on toys i barely have any skills required to use, its semi-moot
[00:29]	matey	this isnt even a fantasy of mine, more like an idle daydream
[00:30]	matey	a fantasy would be something more serious "god i wish i could
[00:30]	matey	"if i were serious about it id be trying to figure out how i could free up $5000 but there isnt enough passion about this
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[00:30]	XRevan86	matey: A free software solution doesn't require any commitment however, but it can be addicting.
[00:31]	matey	so its almost purely hypothetical. unless $5000 falls into my lap for some reason
[00:31]	matey	then id have to actually think about it
[00:31]	matey	<XRevan86> matey: A free software solution doesn't require any commitment however, but it can be addicting. <- the problem for me is this
[00:31]	XRevan86	matey: I can think of other ways to spend 5 grand.
[00:31]	matey	i care more about boycotting most software than i do about 
[00:32]	matey	most things
[00:32]	matey	and not just boycotting
[00:32]	matey	im TRYING to get to the point where i can actually point to the software thats the LEAST bullshit
[00:32]	matey	and build on that
[00:32]	matey	but i refuse to get 50% of my software from fucking microsoft
[00:32]	matey	and another 25% from ibm
[00:32]	matey	i mean i spent 10 years getting away from that.
[00:32]	matey	it wont do.
[00:33]	matey	if i had no hope it would improve id chuck my computer out the window
[00:33]	matey	i can process sound in all sorts of ways. there are programming languages designed around the idea of producing music (electronica at least)
[00:34]	matey	most are too tedious to bother with for now, but sometimes i surprise myself. i swore it was too much trouble to create a distro. i did that anyway.
[00:34]	matey	the only way id ever make a distro is if it was completely automated and a remix just meant changing some code.
[00:34]	matey	so thats exactly what i did.
[00:35]	matey	but i swore it was too much trouble, until it wasnt.
[00:36]	MinceR	http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/people-caused-by-accidents.jpg   ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/06/i-was-conceived-in-a-head-on-collision/ )
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[00:36]	TR Bot	 I was conceived in a head-on collision.
[00:36]	matey	maybe someday it will be like that with music
[00:36]	matey	i really love music, i dont claim to be good at it. i tried learning piano once :)
[00:37]	bnchs	MinceR: that is true
[00:37]	bnchs	and what happens if you dont use a fucking condom
[00:37]	matey	im a very big fan of bobby mcferrin and reggie watts. they dont even need instruments.
[00:37]	bnchs	PRACTICE SAFE SECKS AND PUT ON CONDOMS
[00:37]	matey	<bnchs> and what happens if you dont use a fucking condom <- i love that i have no idea what this is a response to
[00:38]	bnchs	90% of all people are caused by accidents
[00:38]	bnchs	if you use condoms
[00:38]	bnchs	you could get rid of those 90%
[00:38]	bnchs	and leave only 9% in the world
[00:38]	matey	well, at least a large percentage of that 90%
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[00:38]	bnchs	10%
[00:38]	bnchs	i mean
[00:39]	matey	you triggered dfcs breederdar
[00:39]	matey	dfc: we were just complaining about breeders, i shit you not
[00:39]	bnchs	ikisboikis seeris ikis
[00:39]	matey	then you showed up, as if on cue
[00:39]	bnchs	its just good timing
[00:39]	matey	unlike 90% of births
[00:40]	bnchs	95%*
[00:40]	bnchs	everytime you say the percentage, it increases
[00:40]	matey	i suppose in a world this ridiculous, nearly all births are poorly timed
[00:41]	matey	 <bnchs> everytime you say the percentage, it increases <- so its like one of those youtube videos that goes "lion king theme but every tieme they say "its a lion" in african the pitch increases"
[00:41]	matey	^ african is a language
[00:42]	matey	like european
[00:42]	matey	or asian
[00:42]	matey	some say canadian is a language, but theyve obviously never heard it then
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[00:43]	matey	"atTACK SUR FACE"
[00:43]	matey	jeff bezos looks like dr evil and theo de raadt talks like him
[00:43]	matey	lets hope they never join forces
[00:47]	matey	american is actually british english with bits of canadian, spanish and german thrown in
[00:53]	matey	Helvum is a GTK-based patchbay for pipewire, inspired by the JACK tool catia. Features planned. Volume control "Debug mode" that lets you view advanced information for nodes and ports
[00:53]	matey	The straw-coloured fruit bat (Eidolon helvum) is a large fruit bat that is the most widely distributed of all the African megabats.It is quite common throughout its area ranging from the southwestern Arabian Peninsula
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 36.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 318.18
● Apr 02
[01:00]	matey	/me is half-surprised no one is doing dj shows using emacs somehow
[01:01]	matey	dj mode
[01:02]	matey	https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2021/11/24/the-most-controversial-change-in-emacs-history/
[01:02]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: ingebrigtsen.no | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2021/11/24/the-most-controversial-change-in-emacs-history/
[01:02]	TR Bot	 The Most Controversial Change In Emacs History Random Thoughts
[01:03]	matey	"The attractive thing about this change is that, well, its prettier, but its also more consistent with the other elements at the margins of the Emacs frame: The menus and the toolbar have used proportional fonts for a long time"
[01:07]	DaemonFC	https://tenrecipes.com/slow-cooker-beef-bourguignon/
[01:07]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: tenrecipes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tenrecipes.com/slow-cooker-beef-bourguignon/
[01:07]	TR Bot	 SLOW COOKER BEEF BOURGUIGNON Top 10 Recipes
[01:07]	DaemonFC	I always wondered why cooking wine wasn't taxed and nobody got ID'd for it.
[01:07]	DaemonFC	Took a small sip and it's so salty that nobody could drink it.
[01:08]	DaemonFC	You'd think maybe some hardcore alcoholic, but I'd go for the Listerine first before this stuff. :P
[01:09]	matey	/me wonders how julia child dealt with all that salt
[01:09]	matey	oh of course, she just used sherry
[01:10]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I recall her drinking it while she cooked.
[01:13]	matey	i wasnt sure if it was an urban legend or not
[01:14]	matey	im SOOOOO GLAD you could spend this time with me
[01:15]	matey	be sure to make your brocolli rosettes look like happy little rosettes... no, thats bob ross, oh well! lets test the sherry again
[01:16]	matey	i never know where julia ends and dan ackroyd begins
[01:17]	matey	/me wishes there had been a real cooking show on pbs where dan acroyd played julia child every week
[01:25]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tGg4njImm0Y  Julia Child Burns Food
[01:25]	TR Bot	 Julia Child Burns Food - Invidious
[01:28]	DaemonFC	https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/tu31hq/all_of_the_teslas/
[01:28]	TR Bot	 ALL of the Teslas! : LateStageCapitalism
[01:33]	AdmFubar	I don't recall julia drinking while she cooked... but graham kerr I remember he did.....
[01:35]	matey	"This subreddit is a safe space; we have a zero-tolerance policy for bigotry. We also automatically filter out posts containing certain words and phrases that some users may find offensive. Please respect the safe space, and don't try to slip banned words or phrases past the filter." lenin would have found this adorable (and stupid)
[01:35]	AdmFubar	I think when he cooked with wine he'd finish the bottle by the end of the show
[01:36]	matey	  https://yewtu.be/watch?v=99-n42Xb6NQ julia child vs gordon ramsay
[01:36]	TR Bot	 Gordon Ramsay vs Julia Child. Epic Rap Battles of History - Invidious
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[01:40]	matey	i love the things they do to make this stuff
[01:40]	AdmFubar	matey should watch kevin belton, hiw outtakes are funny
[01:41]	matey	to make the feathers fly up when she hits the bird with a hammer, they put features in a dixie cup and used a compressed air hose
[01:41]	matey	which couldnt be more obvious, after youve seen them do it
[01:42]	matey	/me looks up kevin belton outtakes and only finds https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mfPyRA5djC0
[01:42]	TR Bot	 Today's Special: Chef Kev's best bloopers - Invidious
[01:43]	matey	they put features in a dixie cup <- sort of like most software these days
[01:43]	matey	s/features/feathers/
[01:43]	matey	its not a bird, its a feather
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[01:46]	AdmFubar	they put typos int a Dixie cup too
[01:47]	matey	that was cute but seemed a bit generic
[01:47]	matey	tv news guys all seem like that to me
[01:48]	AdmFubar	what was cute?
[01:52]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mfPyRA5djC0
[01:52]	matey	he seems to be enjoying himself at least
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[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 30.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 333.05
● Apr 02
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[02:10]	AdmFubar	oh that... that one isn't very good... the good ones are at the end of his show... he is usually on around 11-11:30 am on CreateTV... if you have that take a look
[02:10]	matey	yeah i didnt think that was probably his best stuff
[02:10]	matey	its what i found-- good to know 
[02:12]	matey	incidentally, i got curious if there were any news anchors making dumb jokes about the twin towers collapsing-- because, hey, i have a very low opinion of news anchors (mostly)
[02:12]	matey	and in the results, first page (mixed in with the others, not at the top) are not one, but TWO results about will smith and chris rock at the oscars
[02:12]	matey	shocking? no. a bit surreal? maybe
[02:13]	matey	stay classy, gulag
[02:13]	matey	"news anchor jokes twin towers" <- the query
[02:14]	matey	i didnt find any news anchors making jokes though
[02:15]	matey	wait, make that three videos about the oscars thing
[02:19]	TR News	Lutris Game Manager Adds Steam Deck Support, EA Origin and Ubisoft Connect Integration Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163249
[02:19]	TR Bot	 Lutris Game Manager Adds Steam Deck Support, EA Origin and Ubisoft Connect Integration | Tux Machines
[02:21]	matey	wow, okay i havent seen the footage and i dont care-- but from a comedy / feud perspective, what chris rock said backstage after the slap is priceless
[02:21]	matey	"thats the only time you get hit by muhammed ali and it doesnt leave a scratch"
[02:21]	matey	i havent paid attention to chris rock in years, but hes still got it.
[02:22]	MinceR	:)
[02:25]	matey	and because he used an open hand, someone said "paper beats rock" 
[02:25]	matey	/me giggles
[02:27]	matey	i dont think anyones going to top that
[02:29]	TR News	Kitty Terminal Emulator: #HowTo Install, Configure, and Use It Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163250 activelow will love it. Terminal that needs a GPU!!
[02:29]	TR Bot	 Kitty Terminal Emulator: How to Install, Configure, and Use It | Tux Machines
[02:29]	TR News	xkcd: Instructions https://xkcd.com/2601/ Source: xkcd
[02:29]	TR Bot	Instructions
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[02:30]	TR News	Apple "attacker could exploit one of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected device. These vulnerabilities have been detected in exploits in the wild." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/01/apple-releases-security-updates-0
[02:30]	TR Bot	 Apple Releases Security Updates | CISA
[02:31]	TR News	"The answer raises more questions about the potential impacts on other species and ecosystems, according to a news release from Stanford News Service issued early Monday." https://www.hmbreview.com/news/squid-migrates-due-to-climate-change/article_46a83e3a-9fce-11ec-9190-df9c9b136027.html
[02:31]	TR Bot	migrates due to climate change | Local News Stories | hmbreview.com
[02:33]	TR News	"In this video, we are looking at Deepin 20.5." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EeexYCaS7B4
[02:33]	TR Bot	 Deepin 20.5 Run Through - Invidious
[02:34]	TR News	"In this video, we are looking at Ubuntu 22.04 Beta." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CZ555kHBNJ0
[02:34]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 Beta Run Through - Invidious
[02:36]	activelow	it is pure nonsense, a terminal emulator doesn't need OpenGL to be fast and efficient
[02:37]	activelow	it needs a fast framebuffer
[02:37]	activelow	and it isn't GPU, it is the opengl acceleration to reject
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[02:38]	MinceR	how is it going to trigger gpu driver bugs and freeze the whole system without using opengl, though?
[02:38]	TR News	How to install Haiku OS https://unixcop.com/how-to-install-haiku/
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[02:41]	TR News	LKML: Namjae Jeon: [GIT PULL] exfat update for 5.18-rc1 https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/4/1/403 Linux kernel getting stuffed with Microsoft crap. Those who oppose have been silenced.
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[02:41]	TR Bot	 LKML: Namjae Jeon: [GIT PULL] exfat update for 5.18-rc1
[02:41]	TR News	Screencasts of Ubuntu 22.04 Beta and Deepin 20.5 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163251
[02:41]	TR Bot	 Screencasts of Ubuntu 22.04 Beta and Deepin 20.5 | Tux Machines
[02:42]	TR News	[GIT PULL] Second batch of KVM changes for Linux 5.18 - Paolo Bonzini https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220401153256.103938-1-pbonzini@redhat.com/ Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux
[02:42]	TR Bot	 [GIT PULL] Second batch of KVM changes for Linux 5.18 - Paolo Bonzini
[02:42]	TR News	What Is Fedora Linux? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163252
[02:42]	TR Bot	 What Is Fedora Linux? | Tux Machines
[02:44]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-04-01.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-04-01.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:50]	TR News	"What do Windows user think about Linux and other Linux-related topics, such as the terminal, tiling window managers and the GNU project? Let's ask a few average windows users." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xkwxOUwbB0s
[02:50]	TR Bot	 What Do Windows User Think About Linux? Let's Ask Them! - Invidious
[02:52]	TR News	Microsoft crime. "Wow thats a lot of bribery and sloppy behavior. Almost surprising it slipped through, at such a scale its a matter of time before it gets noticed." Sloppy? Where are the prosecutions and arrests???? https://ervin.ipsquad.net/blog/2022/04/01/web-review-week-2022-13/
[02:52]	TR Bot	 Web Review, Week 2022-13 - ervin
[02:53]	TR News	They probably demand you open a Microsoft account to participate (also, you cannot criticise Microsoft for its crimes; Rust policy) https://www.zdnet.com/article/rust-foundation-opens-up-rust-community-grants-program/
[02:53]	TR Bot	Foundation launches Rust Community Grants program | ZDNet
[02:56]	TR News	"This is our bi-weekly departure into the world of amateur radio contests, Free software conventions, special events, listener challenges, hedonism and just plain fun." https://lhspodcast.info/2022/04/lhs-episode-461-the-weekender-lxxxix-2/
[02:56]	TR Bot	 LHS Episode #461: The Weekender LXXXIX | Linux in the Ham Shack
[02:56]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163253
[02:56]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
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[02:59]	TR News	"The team worked on this version for over a year and introduced the new platform as a tech preview after CodeReady Workspaces 2.10. The official name of this release is Red Hat OpenShift Dev Spaces 3.0." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/04/01/codeready-workspaces-scales-now-red-hat-openshift-dev-spaces
[02:59]	TR Bot	 CodeReady Workspaces scales up, is now Red Hat OpenShift Dev Spaces | Red Hat Developer
● Apr 02
[03:01]	TR News	"Its no joke: heres your weekly Fedora report. Read what happened this week and whats coming up. Your contributions are welcome (see the end of the post)!" https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-13/
[03:01]	TR Bot	 Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-13 Fedora Community Blog
[03:03]	TR News	Nibble Stew: The C++ best practices game jam sample project Meson conversion https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-c-best-practices-game-jam-sample.html Source: nibblestew
[03:03]	TR Bot	 Nibble Stew: The C++ best practices game jam sample project Meson conversion
[03:04]	TR News	"Update on what happened across the GNOME project in the week from March 25 to April 01." https://thisweek.gnome.org/posts/2022/04/twig-37/
[03:04]	TR Bot	 #37 Absolutely Serious This Week in GNOME
[03:05]	IPFS	 Gemini requests since start of month:   48950 total Total number of pages in capsule: 39987      Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 months 22 days ago
[03:05]	TR News	Life off social media, six months in - Silvia Maggi https://silviamaggidesign.com/personal/life-off-social-media/ Source: silviamaggi "I tell you what happened when I quit social media six months ago, and why I don't want to come back."
[03:05]	TR Bot	 Life off social media, six months in - Silvia Maggi
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[03:23]	TR News	"I guess this makes me wondercan mockery culture have empathy, too? Today in Tedium, inspired by this saga, I want to consider the ethics of badness." https://tedium.co/2022/04/01/razzies-bruce-willis-trash-culture-empathy/
[03:23]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2022/04/01/razzies-bruce-willis-trash-culture-empathy/
[03:24]	TR Bot	 Bruce Willis and The Razzies: The Case for Empathy in Trash Culture
[03:25]	TR News	The CNX Software Web site has been down for a very long time
[03:27]	TR News	"Here, in this post, we are listing our open-source collection of password managers, for different platforms." https://medevel.com/46-os-password-managers/
[03:27]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/46-os-password-managers/
[03:27]	TR Bot	 46 Open-source Free Password managers for Windows, Linux, macOS, iOS, and Android
[03:28]	TR News	"IceCat the GNU web browser finally updated to the latest Firefox ESR version" https://sparkylinux.org/sparky-news-2022-03/
[03:28]	TR Bot	 Sparky news 2022/03 SparkyLinux
[03:30]	TR News	"I try to log into my devbox. SSH is taking a while. Hmm. That's weird. Is my network up? Yes. Can I ping the WireGuard address? No. Can I ping the host directly? Nope. Hmm. Maybe it crashed. I walk to the machine and press the reset button." gemini://shit.cx/tech/devenv/2022-04-01-a-serial-console/
[03:31]	schestowitz	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D190.jpg
[03:31]	schestowitz	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D548.jpg
[03:34]	TR News	Tools as Superpowers gemini://tilde.team/~steve/blog/powers.gmi
[03:36]	TR News	Sleeping with even a little bit of light isn't good for your health, study shows gemini://rawtext.club/~sloum/geminews/npr/current/1.gmi
[03:43]	TR News	Sacha Chua on Whats New in Emacs | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/01/emacsconf-in-a-nutshell/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/01/emacsconf-in-a-nutshell/
[03:43]	TR Bot	 Sacha Chua on Whats New in Emacs | Techrights
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● Apr 02
[04:06]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Friday, April 01, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:06]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[04:06]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:06]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:27]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163254
[04:28]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[04:28]	TR News	Giving phone numbers and more data to spies ("social" control media) https://www.maketecheasier.com/set-up-two-factor-authentication-social-networks/
[04:28]	TR Bot	 How to Set Up Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) on Various Social Networks - Make Tech Easier
[04:29]	TR News	Can you trust _THE US_ with your face? https://betanews.com/2022/04/01/facial-recognition-deepin-linux-china/
[04:29]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: betanews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://betanews.com/2022/04/01/facial-recognition-deepin-linux-china/
[04:29]	TR Bot	 Facial recognition comes to deepin Linux -- can you trust China with your face?
[04:32]	TR News	Lutris 0.5.10 released but outsourced to proprietary software controlled by criminals (Microsoft)
[04:35]	TR News	Ubuntu 20.04 LTS top https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
[04:35]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: steampowered.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
[04:35]	TR Bot	 Steam Hardware & Software Survey
[04:37]	TR News	Arcan: The Day of a new Command-Line Interface: Shell Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163255
[04:37]	TR Bot	 Arcan: The Day of a new Command-Line Interface: Shell | Tux Machines
[04:38]	TR News	Is There an Alternative to iOS and Android Smartphones? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163256
[04:38]	TR Bot	 Is There an Alternative to iOS and Android Smartphones? | Tux Machines
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[05:31]	TR News	This talk was uploaded four days ago. ngel is a software engineer from northern Spain and recent graduate http://techrights.org/2022/04/01/social-control-media-talk/
[05:31]	TR Bot	 ngel Garca Menndez on Social Control Media | Techrights
[05:31]	TR News	Sacha Chua on Whats New in Emacs Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/01/emacsconf-in-a-nutshell/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/01/emacsconf-in-a-nutshell/ This talk was uploaded as a separate video file just eight hours ago
[05:33]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163257
[05:33]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[05:35]	TR News	Stupid buzzwords and garbage https://www.techmarketview.com/ukhotviews/archive/2022/03/31/eleco-continues-to-build-its-saas-foundation
[05:36]	TR Bot	continues to build its SaaS foundation | TechMarketView
[05:37]	TR News	"This week, a company I never think about scooped up another one I had forgotten existed. It was a reminder that we shouldnt underestimate the boring." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/31/technology/hugs-to-boring.html
[05:37]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/31/technology/hugs-to-boring.html
[05:37]	TR Bot	 Hugs to Boring - The New York Times
[05:38]	TR News	"Amazon warehouse workers in New York City voted in favor of joining a trade union on Friday, marking the first-ever successful union campaign against the tech giant in its history." https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/amazon_warehouse_union/
[05:38]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/amazon_warehouse_union/
[05:38]	TR Bot	 Amazon warehouse workers in New York in unionization victory The Register
[05:40]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163258
[05:41]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[05:49]	TR News	Live - We're Being Herded Technologically, need to Resist, Q&A https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4ZFqrCD6SBk
[05:49]	TR Bot	 Live - We're Being Herded Technologically, need to Resist, Q&A - Invidious
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● Apr 02
[06:01]	TR News	40,000 Pages in Gemini | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/40000-pages-in-gemini/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/40000-pages-in-gemini/
[06:01]	TR Bot	 40,000 Pages in Gemini | Techrights
[06:09]	TR News	"The new company, which will be headquartered in Riyadh, will be owned 50% by the PIF and 50% by stc." https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/04/02/hungarys-opposition-struggles-to-beat-viktor-orbans-stealth-autocracy
[06:09]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: economist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/04/02/hungarys-opposition-struggles-to-beat-viktor-orbans-stealth-autocracy
[06:09]	TR Bot	opposition struggles to beat Viktor Orbans stealth autocracy | The Economist
[06:10]	TR News	"Qualcomm, MediaTek, Apple, Samsung LSI, and Unisoc took the top-five revenue share spots in the smartphone AP market in 2021" https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4493341
[06:10]	TR Bot	 Taiwans MediaTek overtook Qualcomm in smartphone AP market in 2021 | Taiwan News | 2022-04-01 13:08:00
[06:11]	TR News	"Ukraines Office of Foreign Affairs says that more than 100 of the Fortune 500 outsource to the country" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3655933/ukrainian-it-industry-says-it-s-still-open-for-business.html
[06:11]	TR Bot	IT industry says its still open for business | Computerworld
[06:12]	TR News	"The three Republicans were Reps. Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Brian Mast (Fla.) and Tom McClintock (Calif.)" https://thehill.com/news/house/3256567-just-three-gop-lawmakers-back-marijuana-legalization-vote-two-dems-vote-no/
[06:12]	TR Bot	 Just three GOP lawmakers back marijuana legalization vote; two Dems vote no | The Hill
[06:12]	TR News	"The tricky part is defining when any corporate entity actually knows something has happened" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3655691/when-should-the-data-breach-clock-start.html
[06:12]	TR Bot	should the data breach clock start? | Computerworld
[06:15]	TR News	"Ukraines security service said the Chinese government attempted to [break into] more than 600 websites belonging to the government" https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3256792-ukraine-intelligence-accuses-china-of-hacking-days-before-invasion-report/
[06:15]	TR Bot	 Ukraine intelligence accuses China of hacking days before invasion: report | The Hill
[06:15]	TR News	"China staged a huge cyberattack on Ukraines military and nuclear facilities in the build-up to Russias invasion" https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/china-cyberattack-ukraine-z9gfkbmgf
[06:15]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: thetimes.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/china-cyberattack-ukraine-z9gfkbmgf
[06:15]	TR Bot	 China accused of hacking Ukraine days before Russian invasion | News | The Times
[06:19]	TR News	"FOSSEPS stands for Free software Solutions for European Public Services" https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/digital-skills-public-sector/solution/interoperable-europe-academy/news/interoperability-key-enabler-e-government
[06:19]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: europa.eu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/digital-skills-public-sector/solution/interoperable-europe-academy/news/interoperability-key-enabler-e-government
[06:19]	TR Bot	 Interoperability: a key enabler of e-government | Joinup
[06:19]	DaemonFC	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-22.04-LTS-Beta
[06:19]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-22.04-LTS-Beta
[06:19]	TR Bot	22.04 LTS Beta Released With Many Improvements - Phoronix
[06:19]	TR News	"New Zealand's tech start-up community has done very nicely over the last decade or so developing software and applications that solve problems" https://techblog.nz/2830-Griffin-on-Tech-The-EUs-plan-to-bring-Big-Tech-into-line
[06:19]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techblog.nz | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techblog.nz/2830-Griffin-on-Tech-The-EUs-plan-to-bring-Big-Tech-into-line
[06:19]	TR Bot	 Griffin on Tech: The EU's plan to bring Big Tech into line | ITP Techblog
[06:20]	DaemonFC	Canonical is shipping another FrankenGNOME.
[06:20]	DaemonFC	Really, how hard is it to make sure your distribution is using one version of GNOME?
[06:20]	TR News	fake news and false allegations https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/war-rages-neighboring-ukraine-hungarys-hardline-leader-benefits-closen-rcna22289
[06:20]	TR Bot	 Hungarian leader with close ties to Putin toes the line on the war ahead of election
[06:21]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, I was talking to mom about the Amazon union in NYC.
[06:21]	DaemonFC	I said people working at Amazon face such horrific working conditions and such awful employment prospects that they figured they had nothing to lose.
[06:21]	DaemonFC	Amazon is the coal mining company of the 21st century.
[06:21]	TR News	"The Batman had been granted an official release date in China of March 18" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/china-box-office-1235121616/
[06:21]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: hollywoodreporter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/china-box-office-1235121616/
[06:21]	TR Bot	 Do Hollywood Films Need to Rethink China Box Office Strategy? The Hollywood Reporter
[06:22]	DaemonFC	The Batman wasn't a great movie.
[06:22]	TR News	"The unexpected victory seems to have sent a welcome shock through the labor movement" https://www.teenvogue.com/story/amazon-labor-union-win-vote-staten-island
[06:22]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: teenvogue.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.teenvogue.com/story/amazon-labor-union-win-vote-staten-island
[06:22]	TR Bot	 Amazon Labor Union in Staten Island Wins Unionization Vote | Teen Vogue
[06:22]	DaemonFC	The movies that took themselves less seriously were pretty good. The Christian Bale series was good.
[06:22]	DaemonFC	Joker was good.
[06:23]	TR News	The Bezos SweatshopZone "spent $4.3 million over the past year trying to snuff out pro-labor sentiment" https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/amazon-facility-staten-island-unionizes-1331286/
[06:23]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: rollingstone.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/amazon-facility-staten-island-unionizes-1331286/
[06:23]	TR Bot	 Amazon Employees Vote to Unionize in Staten Island - Rolling Stone
[06:24]	TR News	"About 57% of the more than 8,300 [SweatshopZone] workers on the voter list cast their ballots." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/amazon-workers-nyc-vote-unionize-company-83812661
[06:24]	TR Bot	 Amazon workers in NYC vote to unionize, a first for company - ABC News
[06:25]	TR News	"Workers at an [SweatshopZone] warehouse in New York City have voted to unionize, an historic first for workers at the [Sweatshop] company." https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/1/23004524/amazon-workers-vote-union-jfk8-staten-island-new-york-warehouse-win
[06:25]	TR Bot	 Amazon workers vote to unionize Staten Island warehouse - The Verge
[06:26]	TR News	"The [outfit] highlighted that approximately 93 percent of the worlds television households, 61 percent of TV [brainwash] sales and 60 percent of total [brainwash] sales are outside of the United States" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/roku-stock-target-analyst-international-growth-1235123441/
[06:26]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: hollywoodreporter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/roku-stock-target-analyst-international-growth-1235123441/
[06:26]	TR Bot	 Roku Stock Target Raised by Analyst on International Growth The Hollywood Reporter
[06:27]	TR News	Microsoft is just crime and corruption. All the rest is spin and corrupted (bribed) "media". https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/cloud-computing/microsofts-cloud-business-targeted-by-eu-antitrust-regulators/90603282
[06:27]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: Microsoft's cloud business targeted by EU antitrust regulators, CIO News, ET CIO
[06:28]	TR News	Microsoft has managed to eleverate Bribes & Corruption to principal "business" unit
[06:32]	DaemonFC	https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/04/01/end-covid-19-emergency-could-jeopardize-medicaid-millions-us/7190506001/
[06:32]	TR Bot	 End to COVID-19 emergency could jeopardize Medicaid for millions in US
[06:32]	DaemonFC	Millions of people lose their health insurance while the military gets another 11% increase.
[06:32]	schestowitz-TR	yeah
[06:32]	schestowitz-TR	says a lot
[06:33]	schestowitz-TR	but he
[06:33]	schestowitz-TR	hey
[06:33]	schestowitz-TR	the poor can join the army
[06:33]	schestowitz-TR	'free' health
[06:33]	schestowitz-TR	unless you die
[06:33]	schestowitz-TR	catch the next plane to ukraine
[06:33]	schestowitz-TR	go die for Wall Street
[06:34]	schestowitz-TR	[06:21] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, I was talking to mom about the Amazon union in NYC.
[06:34]	schestowitz-TR	I recently began calling it SweatshopZone
[06:34]	schestowitz-TR	it treats workers so poorly on both side of the pacific
[06:34]	schestowitz-TR	or atlantic for europe
[06:35]	DaemonFC	The president of the new union thanked Jeff Bezos. He said while Bezos was busy pretending to be an astronaut, "we were down here setting up a labor union".
[06:35]	schestowitz-TR	the only reason it still employes human beings is that the machines are not advanced enough and they can get away with treating people like disposable trash
[06:35]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: tongue in cheek
[06:35]	DaemonFC	Yes.
[06:35]	schestowitz-TR	they also need to do diplomacy
[06:36]	schestowitz-TR	as a union
[06:36]	DaemonFC	The Teamsters has pledged a lot of money to unionize Amazon warehouses.
[06:37]	DaemonFC	Hopefully, they can reverse the severe decline in union membership. If they can get better deals for Amazon workers, it puts upwards pressure on wages at places like Walmart, Sam's Club, Best Buy....
[06:37]	schestowitz-TR	yes, exactly
[06:37]	schestowitz-TR	it's like those no-poaching collusion
[06:37]	schestowitz-TR	I saw NO executive prosecuted for these
[06:38]	schestowitz-TR	they're designed o oLOWER salaries
[06:38]	DaemonFC	From what I understand, things can't get much worse at Amazon. They really can't. One of Mandy's co-workers at Walmart quit because she thought Amazon would pay more. She quit a job at Walmart with healthcare, retirement account, lots of stuff. Went to Amazon.
[06:38]	schestowitz-TR	*to so much for 'free market'
[06:38]	DaemonFC	Was back at Walmart in 3 months, starting wage, no benefits, no vacation time, no nothing.
[06:38]	DaemonFC	It takes years of employment at Walmart to rack up vacation and sick time at a respectable rate.
[06:38]	schestowitz-TR	amazon does recruitment ads in radio here
[06:38]	schestowitz-TR	this must mean they lost many workers
[06:39]	DaemonFC	You have to be there for two years at Walmart before you get as much vacation and sick hours as everyone should get anyway.
[06:39]	DaemonFC	It's disgusting.
[06:39]	DaemonFC	Because they have 40% turnover.
[06:39]	DaemonFC	They know few people make it two years and if you do, it's because you're very productive and they chose to let you do it.
[06:39]	DaemonFC	That's why.
[06:40]	DaemonFC	They have it set up so that people who don't last very long don't cost the company much to fizzle out and leave or get shown the door.
[06:41]	DaemonFC	On April 13th, I think it is, Mandy starts earning vacation and sick pay twice as fast as he does now.
[06:41]	DaemonFC	It doubles each year for the first two years.
[06:41]	DaemonFC	It accumulates a little faster each year thereafter, but mostly in the first two years.
[06:41]	TR News	Finland's Spy Service Warns of Russian Interference, Attacks - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/politics/article.pl?sid=22/03/30/1413258 Source: soylentnews
[06:41]	TR Bot	 Finland's Spy Service Warns of Russian Interference, Attacks - SoylentNews
[06:42]	DaemonFC	But the first two years kind of suck.
[06:42]	DaemonFC	They give you just enough to take 1-2 fishing days and get the flu.
[06:42]	DaemonFC	And that's about it.
[06:43]	DaemonFC	People aren't meant to live like this.
[06:43]	schestowitz-TR	hey, you should ask RMS:
[06:43]	schestowitz-TR	what's better
[06:43]	DaemonFC	People NEED a couple weeks of vacation each year and probably 10 sick days is fair I guess.
[06:43]	schestowitz-TR	working in SweatshopZone warehouse
[06:43]	schestowitz-TR	or writing proprietary software?
[06:43]	DaemonFC	They used to have that or more, when the big employer was GM.
[06:43]	schestowitz-TR	I never took sick live where I work
[06:43]	schestowitz-TR	11+ years
[06:43]	schestowitz-TR	but then again I work from home
[06:44]	DaemonFC	People in the 1950s had a one income household, middle class, and took vacations that lasted nearly a month.
[06:44]	DaemonFC	Today, your boss goes out to find and shame you if you want to go to a state park for a few days over the summer.
[06:44]	DaemonFC	It's pathetic.
[06:45]	DaemonFC	In the 1950s, you had a house, acres of land, and your car was a "land barge".
[06:45]	DaemonFC	Today, gas and cars cost a fortune, the cars break down all the time, mechanics for them can be $400 an hour.
[06:46]	DaemonFC	And you live in a tiny apartment.
[06:46]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, There was an episode of Sliders, right?
[06:46]	DaemonFC	They get to a world inspired by Thomas Malthus to keep the population low.
[06:47]	DaemonFC	They slide in and can't believe how clean everything is in LA, and how there's no crime, everyone's really nice, it's spread out, there's no urban decay, and food is cheap.
[06:48]	DaemonFC	The problem isn't just automation. It's that people won't stop fucking and reproducing and increasing the number that NEEEEEEED a job, but there is no job.
[06:48]	DaemonFC	Who NEED food, and we can barely feed half the people in the world already.
[06:49]	DaemonFC	We're fouling up the planet. Half the surface water in the US now is unsafe to drink or two swim in, and if you catch fish in it, don't eat them.
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[06:51]	DaemonFC	So, if we had controlled the population, things would be better now.
[06:51]	DaemonFC	Having people you can't take care of is not good.
[06:52]	DaemonFC	Putin has no need to make sure that the teenagers he's taking for the army come back alive.
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[07:01]	TR News	Twitter https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10675771/NUS-chief-Muslim-Brotherhoods-death-sake-Allah-exalted-wish-Twitter.html
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[07:01]	TR Bot	 NUS chief had Muslim Brotherhood's 'death for the sake of Allah is our most exalted wish' on Twitter | Daily Mail Online
[07:02]	TR News	BBC Two - House of Maxwell https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0b64j3y Source: billbc won't even mention its master Bill Gates, for sure... shifting attention, Beeb. For Bill... http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/
[07:02]	TR Bot	 BBC Two - House of Maxwell
[07:02]	TR Bot	 Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights
[07:04]	TR News	cbs won't mention bill gates either https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ghislaine-maxwell-retrial-judge-rejects-juror-bias/ see http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/
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[07:04]	TR Bot	 Ghislaine Maxwell will not get a new trial after judge finds juror was not biased - CBS News
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[07:09]	TR News	Prince Andrew repays cash amid financial dispute - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60961791 Source: billbc continues to dance around bill gates (who bribed BBC), never even mentioned his strong connections to this http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/
[07:09]	TR Bot	 Prince Andrew repays cash amid financial dispute - BBC News
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[07:23]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163259
[07:23]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[07:23]	TR News	Proprietary Software and Monopolies Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163260
[07:23]	TR Bot	 Proprietary Software and Monopolies | Tux Machines
[07:23]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163261
[07:23]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[07:23]	TR News	Lutris Game Manager released with Steam Deck Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163262
[07:23]	TR Bot	 Lutris Game Manager released with Steam Deck Support | Tux Machines
[07:26]	TR News	 CNX Software | Gemini address: CNX Software
[07:27]	TR News	Links 02/04/2022: CNX Software Offline for a Day | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/links-02042022-cnx-software-offline-for-a-day/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/links-02042022-cnx-software-offline-for-a-day/
[07:27]	TR Bot	 Links 02/04/2022: CNX Software Offline for a Day | Techrights
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[08:07]	TR News	"Although oppositions are not evenly distributed over all technical areas, some seeing hardly any, but if one extrapolates the 5% of opposed patents to the rest of the granted patents, the number of patents in force which are not really valid must be extremely high." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/03/30/suepo-industrial-actions-striking-success/
[08:07]	TR Bot	 SUEPO: Industrial actions striking success - Kluwer Patent Blog
[08:08]	TR News	"In this respect, what will be happening at the UPC, which is primarily conceived for the big industry, is symptomatic. Why is it that the basic fee for an action in nullity is nearly double of that for infringement? This is not a coincidence." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/03/30/suepo-industrial-actions-striking-success/
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[08:09]	TR News	"Question: given that ILO AT judgement no. 4430 declared Circular 347 unlawful, and set it aside, what was the legal basis for the EPOs strike registration tool? More pertinently, why would EPO management persist with providing a tool that had no formal legal standing?" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/03/30/suepo-industrial-actions-striking-success/
[08:10]	TR News	"Thus, could it possibly be that, by providing a registration tool, and by (deliberately?) making that tool unreliable, the management were trying to make staff think twice about going on strike? If so, that would demonstrate a complete contempt for both the ILO ATs rulings and fundamental rights" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/03/30/suepo-industrial-actions-striking-success/
[08:15]	TR News	"Just because Richard Stallman seems to have been left out of this years LibrePlanet, the Free Software Foundations annual free software lovefest" https://fossforce.com/2022/04/richard-stallman-to-deliver-state-of-free-software-online-on-april-13/
[08:15]	TR Bot	 Stallman to Deliver 'State of Free Software' Online April 13 - FOSS Force
[08:16]	TR News	"first streaming release to receive the prestigious prize" https://torrentfreak.com/coda-piracy-skyrockets-after-best-picture-oscar-win-220401/
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[08:16]	TR Bot	Piracy Skyrockets After Best Picture Oscar Win * TorrentFreak
[08:16]	TR News	"Strike 3, the most prolific 'copyright troll' in the United States, is suing an individual said to have pirated its movies using BitTorrent." https://torrentfreak.com/prolific-copyright-troll-seeks-bittorrent-piracy-evidence-from-netflix-220401/
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[08:16]	TR Bot	'Copyright Troll' Seeks BitTorrent Piracy Evidence From.....Netflix? * TorrentFreak
[08:17]	TR News	In Austria the Government Pays to Repair Your Stuff https://therevelator.org/austria-repair-bonus/
[08:17]	TR Bot	 In Austria the Government Pays to Repair Your Stuff The Revelator
[08:18]	TR News	WTH is going on at creativecommons? https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/01/congratulations-and-farewell/
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[08:18]	TR Bot	 Congratulations and Farewell - Creative Commons
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[08:20]	schestowitz-TR	matey (away): walsh in charge
[08:21]	schestowitz-TR	"First, CC is excited to announce that longtime CC staffer, Kat Walsh, has been promoted to CC General Counsel. Kat was on the CC legal team from 2012-2015 during the drafting and initial publication process of version 4.0 of the license suite. She returned to CC in 2021 as Deputy General Counsel. Kat has a nearly 20-year history in the free and open culture movements, including many years on the boards of the Wikimedia Foundation and the 
[08:21]	schestowitz-TR	Free Software Foundation, and has previously worked in library policy, technology startups, and online community management. She is an advocate for free access to knowledge and for CC licensing as part of the infrastructure for an internet that belongs to everyone. As General Counsel, she oversees the legal support for all aspects of CCs activities, provides strategic input, leads the stewardship of CCs legal tools, and advises the 
[08:21]	schestowitz-TR	organization on new programmatic initiatives."
[08:22]	TR News	This week in KDE: Get ready for a big one! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163263
[08:22]	TR Bot	 This week in KDE: Get ready for a big one! | Tux Machines
[08:30]	TR News	The SweatshopZone rebels https://truthout.org/articles/new-york-amazon-workers-vote-to-form-union-in-historic-first/ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/pro-union-vote-leads-new-york-amazon-workers-look-make-history
[08:30]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/new-york-amazon-workers-vote-to-form-union-in-historic-first/
[08:30]	TR Bot	 New York Amazon Workers Vote to Form Union in Historic First
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[08:30]	TR Bot	 Pro-Union Vote Leads in New York as Amazon Workers Look to Make History
[08:30]	TR News	Best Free and Open Source Software March 2022 Updates Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163264
[08:30]	TR Bot	 Best Free and Open Source Software March 2022 Updates | Tux Machines
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[08:31]	TR News	"in a meeting Jeff Bezos attended, said of the activist Chris Smalls, whom the company had just fired after he helped lead a walkout early in the pandemic over Covid-related health and safety issues." https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/amazon-workers-union-staten-island/
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[08:31]	TR Bot	 Amazon Workers Score a Decisive Win in Staten Island! | The Nation
[08:32]	AdmFubar1	anyone havving connections issues to sites?
[08:32]	TR News	Microsoft does the same thing at a bigger scale https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/01/amazon-google-busted-faking-small-business-opposition-to-antitrust-reform/
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[08:32]	TR Bot	Google Busted Faking Small Business Opposition To Antitrust Reform | Techdirt
[08:33]	TR News	"Progressives hailed Friday's unionization vote by employees at an Amazon warehouse in New York City as a historic victory for workers across the United States" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/win-workers-across-america-amazon-union-victory-inspires-progressives
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[08:33]	TR Bot	 'Win for Workers Across America': Amazon Union Victory Inspires Progressives
[08:34]	TR News	The 'democrats' keep failing the working class https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/disgusting-democratic-aligned-firm-slammed-working-amazons-failed-anti-union-effort
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[08:34]	TR Bot	 'Disgusting': Democratic-Aligned Firm Slammed for Working on Amazon's Failed Anti-Union Effort
[08:34]	TR News	"Amazon warehouse workers in Staten Island, New York won their election Friday to form the retail giant's first-ever union in the United States" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/david-beats-goliath-workers-new-york-vote-form-amazons-first-ever-union-us
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[08:34]	TR Bot	 'David Beats Goliath': Workers in New York Vote to Form Amazon's First-Ever Union in US
[08:47]	AdmFubar1	https://www.windowscentral.com/us-senators-call-out-lack-accountability-bobby-kotick-microsoft-deal
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[08:47]	TR Bot	 US senators call out lack of accountability for Bobby Kotick in Microsoft deal [Update] | Windows Central
[08:47]	AdmFubar1	https://www.windowscentral.com/activision-blizzard-employees-walkout-over-lifting-vaccine-mandates
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[08:47]	TR Bot	 Activision Blizzard employees plan new walkout over lifting vaccine mandates [Update] | Windows Central
[08:48]	AdmFubar1	and why are they doing this??? (cause they are desperate!)   https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-doubles-down-its-android-and-windows-efforts-latest-reorg
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[08:48]	TR Bot	 Microsoft doubles down on its Android + Windows efforts in latest reorg | Windows Central
[08:49]	AdmFubar1	and I bet you thought crypto mining was a waste...https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-acquires-minit-help-businesses-improve-efficiency-through-process-mining
[08:49]	TR Bot	 Microsoft acquires Minit to help businesses improve efficiency through process mining | Windows Central
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● Apr 02
[09:00]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar1: those idiots were led to think other people put them at risk
[09:00]	schestowitz-TR	those current vaccines do not curb the spread
[09:00]	schestowitz-TR	they try to impose things on colleagues
[09:00]	schestowitz-TR	not because they care about those colleagues
[09:01]	schestowitz-TR	but because pfizer told them lies about the jabs preventing the spread
[09:01]	schestowitz-TR	I see people are still reluctant to abandon that lie
[09:01]	schestowitz-TR	if people catch it and die
[09:01]	schestowitz-TR	that's their problem
[09:01]	schestowitz-TR	they are just jealous
[09:01]	schestowitz-TR	that they got unwell
[09:02]	schestowitz-TR	and colleagues didn't
[09:02]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163265
[09:02]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[09:04]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, good to see warren opposingf the takeover
[09:04]	schestowitz-TR	I was worried she was ignoring Microsoft
[09:04]	schestowitz-TR	partly because she had hired a Microsofter or two
[09:04]	schestowitz-TR	but seems she's still aware
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[09:04]	schestowitz-TR	for the wrong reasons though
[09:04]	schestowitz-TR	something about worker protectionds
[09:04]	schestowitz-TR	rather than Microsoft being a bunch of criminals
[09:04]	schestowitz-TR	an issue she never speaks about
[09:06]	bnchs	are they really walking out because a single rule being lifted?
[09:06]	bnchs	surely you would do the opposite
[09:06]	bnchs	no they like rules
[09:06]	schestowitz-TR	they should work from home
[09:06]	schestowitz-TR	better for the planet
[09:06]	schestowitz-TR	but they should not work for Microsoft, rither
[09:07]	schestowitz-TR	*either
[09:07]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft= crime
[09:07]	AdmFubar1	I need to go to bed... nights all
[09:07]	schestowitz-TR	working for Microsoft=advancing crime
[09:07]	activelow	gn
[09:07]	bnchs	they literally protest against the removal of the vaccine mandate
[09:07]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar1: 0/
[09:07]	bnchs	its like this shit has dug deep into their heads
[09:08]	schestowitz-TR	if they don't want to get infected, they should work from home
[09:08]	schestowitz-TR	compelling colleagues to do things won't protect them
[09:08]	bnchs	well yeah but
[09:08]	bnchs	you want everyone to take the magic serum
[09:09]	bnchs	even going against companies that try to lift the mandate
[09:09]	bnchs	pfizer shills
[09:09]	bnchs	if less people take the vaccine, then less profits
[09:10]	activelow	april, temperatures dropped 15degC, snowfall
[09:11]	schestowitz-TR	merry xmas, activelow
[09:11]	activelow	the lockdown and energy sanctions had an effect to say the lest: "nuclear winter"
[09:11]	schestowitz-TR	lol
[09:11]	bnchs	anyway the microsoft/minit deal
[09:12]	bnchs	are they gonna put cryptominers in windows?
[09:12]	activelow	it's real, a theory, projecting if global industry collapsed for one or another reason, then tempertures decline dramatically
[09:12]	activelow	as far as "climate change" was concerned, there you have it
[09:13]	activelow	it isn't a long-term trend which couldn't be altered; and it was alot more than 1.5degC, closter to 15degC global heating
[09:13]	TR News	He also paid TechDirt, which is extremely problematic ttps://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/its-time-for-charles-koch-to-testify-about-his-climate-disinformation-campaign/
[09:13]	TR News	Nitrux 2.1 Released with Support for Linux Kernel 5.17, Latest KDE Plasma Goodies Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163266
[09:13]	TR Bot	 Nitrux 2.1 Released with Support for Linux Kernel 5.17, Latest KDE Plasma Goodies | Tux Machines
[09:13]	bnchs	how well will this work with nvidia's drivers
[09:14]	bnchs	as you may know, nvidia likes to "fight cryptomining" by limiting the "hashrate" (aka the power) of their GPU
[09:14]	bnchs	with their PROPRIETARY drivers
[09:14]	activelow	better idea: don't produce and sell such crap
[09:15]	bnchs	its retarded
[09:15]	activelow	the latest "innovation" from Nvidia was some 480watts GPU, $1999
[09:15]	bnchs	1) make good powerful GPU
[09:15]	bnchs	2) you hate cryptomining
[09:15]	bnchs	3) write your driver to limit half of the power
[09:16]	bnchs	or 3) detect cryptomining software and throttle power
[09:16]	bnchs	this is how they do it
[09:17]	activelow	it is neither mining nor crypto anyway
[09:19]	schestowitz-TR	right
[09:20]	schestowitz-TR	it's a cult
[09:20]	schestowitz-TR	"look how much worthless stuff i ran"
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[09:20]	schestowitz-TR	"i feel rich now"
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[09:22]	TR News	Hete speech is "woke" now? https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/violettas-scars-how-russophobia-became-the-wokest-form-of-racism/
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[09:22]	TR Bot	Scars: How Russophobia Became the Wokest Form of Racism - CounterPunch.org
[09:22]	bnchs	i'm more about the driver's ability to detect if you're running X software
[09:22]	bnchs	and throttle the power 
[09:23]	bnchs	they could extend this to anything they dont like
[09:23]	TR News	Trasparency and Journalism https://fair.org/home/sarah-lipton-lubet-on-ginni-thomas-conflict-dave-maass-on-trasparency-and-journalism/
[09:23]	TR Bot	 Sarah Lipton-Lubet on Ginni Thomas Conflict, Dave Maass on Trasparency and Journalism - FAIR
[09:26]	activelow	bnchs: the opensource nouveau drivers for nvidia were rather good, with some older nvidia cards
[09:33]	bnchs	yeah
[09:33]	TR News	Lies. The employment rates went down significantly. https://truthout.org/articles/march-employment-growth-closes-in-on-pre-pandemic-levels/
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[09:33]	TR Bot	 March Employment Growth Closes in on Pre-Pandemic Levels
[09:34]	TR News	Racism is the new "woke"? https://truthout.org/articles/anti-russian-bigotry-increases-in-the-us-and-beyond-amid-putins-war-on-ukraine/
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[09:34]	TR Bot	 Anti-Russian Bigotry Increases in the US and Beyond Amid Putins War on Ukraine
[09:35]	TR News	They on;y fund bombing people, not saving people https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-funding-debate/
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[09:35]	TR Bot	 Congress Drags Its Feet on Funding Covid Care | The Nation
[09:37]	TR News	The state: racism is bad, mmkay? You're only permitted to be racist towards people whom the state designates so.
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[09:39]	TR News	Twitter is a hate speech machine. It promotes hate. It profits from hate. But Twitter is "authorised" by the state, so that's allowable...
[09:39]	TR News	They use Russia and COVID as pretext/excuse to steal even more https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/sanders-hold-hearing-how-corporate-greed-and-profiteering-are-fueling-inflation
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[09:39]	TR Bot	 Sanders to Hold Hearing on 'How Corporate Greed and Profiteering Are Fueling Inflation'
[09:40]	TR News	"As prices increase, corporate profits hit a record high of nearly $3 trillion in 2021, up 25% in a single year." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/sanders-hold-hearing-how-corporate-greed-and-profiteering-are-fueling-inflation
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[09:41]	TR News	"I cannot see how abolishing the Constitution would be compatible with EU law. https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/01/acting-intelligently-the-hungarian-legal-way EU constantly abolishes many constitutions. See UPC.
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[09:41]	TR Bot	 Telex: "I cannot see how abolishing the Constitution would be compatible with EU law.
[09:44]	TR News	Overpopulation crisis https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/climate-change-ukraine-food-shortage/
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[09:44]	TR Bot	 You Cant Isolate the Food Crisis From the Climate Crisis | The Nation
[09:45]	TR News	Fights over things like races again distract from the way oligarchs attack society https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/01/50-groups-decry-gop-senators-insidious-attacks-ketanji-brown-jackson
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[09:45]	TR Bot	 50+ Groups Decry GOP Senators' 'Insidious' Attacks on Ketanji Brown Jackson
[09:47]	TR News	The corporate media is guilty of hate speech; now we have a culture where racism is "social justice" https://truthout.org/articles/anti-russian-bigotry-increases-in-the-us-and-beyond-amid-putins-war-on-ukraine/
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[09:49]	TR News	Censorship of literature https://truthout.org/articles/right-wing-book-censorship-is-an-attack-on-the-minds-of-children/
[09:49]	TR Bot	 Right-Wing Book Censorship Is an Attack on the Minds of Children
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[09:49]	TR News	Stop using mobile 'phones' if you value your privacy https://digit.site36.net/2022/04/01/mobile-phone-as-a-tracking-bug-german-police-use-geofence-warrants-with-google-maps/
[09:49]	TR Bot	 Mobile phone as a tracking bug: German police now use geofence warrants with Google Maps Matthias Monroy
[09:52]	TR News	"One year ago today, the Supreme Court handed down a decision in FCC v. Prometheus Radio Project" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/01/fcc-inaction-on-media-consolidation-continues-on-anniversary-of-prometheus-ruling-to-run-on-april-1/
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[09:52]	TR Bot	Inaction On Media Consolidation Continues On Anniversary Of Prometheus Ruling | Techdirt
[09:52]	TR News	Trump blocked me in Twitter. He never ever valued free speech. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/01/trump-isnt-concerned-about-free-speech-just-a-free-audience/
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[09:52]	TR Bot	Isnt Concerned About Free Speech, Just A Free Audience | Techdirt
[09:53]	TR News	"Authored by Senator Bob Wieckowski, S.B. 1189 requires private entities to obtain your opt-in consent before collecting your biometric information." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/california-speak-biometric-and-student-privacy
[09:53]	TR Bot	 California: Speak Up For Biometric and Student Privacy | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[09:54]	TR News	"appearance in the Oscar broadcast did little to bolster either ratings or any connection between the movie moguls and the plain and trusting folk of the Heartland, that is, the people meant to worship the stars and pay their salaries at the box office or, increasingly, through streaming service subscriptions." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/bondage-at-the-oscars/
[09:54]	TR Bot	at the Oscars - CounterPunch.org
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[09:56]	TR News	Reject Hollywood. It's crap. https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/fly-on-the-wall-the-slap/
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[09:56]	TR Bot	On The Wall: The Slap - CounterPunch.org
[09:59]	TR News	"Fast forward six years and there is still no serious third-party challenge to the current duopoly" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/the-corporatocracy-will-have-a-tough-choice-between-biden-and-desantis/
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[09:59]	TR Bot	Corporatocracy Will Have a Tough Choice Between Biden and DeSantis - CounterPunch.org
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[10:00]	TR News	"Loneliness is a symptom of our greater culture of disconnect, andtoxic American individualism. And, as with many problems (like food and housing insecurity), the pandemic has exacerbated the preexisting issues of disconnect in our society." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/01/why-the-u-s-culture-of-colonial-extraction-is-making-people-sick-and-destroying-the-planet/
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[10:00]	TR Bot	the U.S. Culture of Colonial Extraction Is Making People Sick and Destroying the Planet - CounterPunch.org
[10:05]	TR News	Avoid GulagTube. DO NOT upload anything there. https://www.democracynow.org/2022/4/1/on_contact_chris_hedges_youtube_russia
[10:05]	TR Bot	 Disappeared: Chris Hedges Responds to YouTube Deleting His 6-Year Archive of RT America Shows | Democracy Now!
[10:06]	TR News	UK is 'slow-cooking' journalists. Same as Saudi Barbaria, but the cooking is a lot slower. https://www.democracynow.org/2022/4/1/julian_assange_us_censorship_wedding_chris
[10:06]	TR Bot	 Chris Hedges on Jailed WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assanges Wedding: Hes Crumbling in London Prison | Democracy Now!
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[10:07]	TR News	This is a crucial victory for the public as well as Public Resource" https://www.eff.org/press/releases/publicresourceorg-can-keep-freeing-law-court-allows-posting-public-laws-and
[10:07]	TR Bot	 Public.Resource.Org Can Keep Freeing the Law: Court Allows Posting Public Laws And Regulations Online | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[10:25]	TR News	Techrights now has 40,000 pages in Gemini; were serving about 500,000 pages per month in gemini:// and that number generally grows over time, so weve become less dependent on the World Wide Web, which undid or outlived its original purpose http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/40000-pages-in-gemini/
[10:25]	TR Bot	 40,000 Pages in Gemini | Techrights
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[11:09]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/new-mutant-omicron-variant-xe-could-be-most-transmissible-yet-who-says/
[11:09]	TR Bot	 New mutant omicron variant XE could be most transmissible yet, WHO says | WGN-TV
[11:11]	schestowitz-TR	time for your fourth, DaemonFC. Amndement.
[11:16]	TR News	Lutris version 0.5.10 brings improved Steam Deck support but no Flatpak yet http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163249#comment-33265
[11:16]	TR Bot	 Lutris Game Manager Adds Steam Deck Support, EA Origin and Ubisoft Connect Integration | Tux Machines
[11:18]	TR News	2,000 titles officially hit for Steam Deck as Verified or Playable https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/2000-titles-officially-hit-for-steam-deck-as-verified-or-playable/
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[11:18]	TR Bot	titles officially hit for Steam Deck as Verified or Playable | GamingOnLinux
[11:19]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I liked the movie "Defending Your Life". "Bob Diamond" (Rip Torn) is a defense attorney for people who have died and need to justify their existence on Earth, before moving on or not.
[11:19]	DaemonFC	"Once you use more than 5% of your brain, you really don't want to be on Earth anymore."
[11:20]	TR News	Planet SUSE. "For the past year, Ive been posting to a private server that I was running. Now that server is offline because I need to save money and so Ill be writing here again." https://cloudyday.tech.blog/2022/04/02/long-time-no-post/
[11:20]	TR Bot	 Long time no post Yet Another Tech Blog
[11:22]	TR News	"Fedora Linux test days are events where anyone can help make sure changes in Fedora work well in an upcoming release. Fedora community members often participate, and the public is welcome at these events" https://fedoramagazine.org/contribute-at-the-fedora-kernel-5-17-coreos-cloud-iot-and-audio-test-days/
[11:22]	TR Bot	 Contribute at the Fedora Kernel 5.17, CoreOS, Cloud, IoT, and Audio test days - Fedora Magazine
[11:23]	TR News	It needs to delete GitHub. It's proprietary software controlled by criminals (Microsoft). https://medevel.com/calories/
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[11:23]	TR Bot	 Calories is a free open-source CLI calories and weight tracker
[11:23]	DaemonFC	https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/01/who-wants-nice-tall-glass-coca-colas-algorithmic-orange-juice/318760/
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[11:23]	TR Bot	 Who Wants a Nice Tall Glass of Coca-Cola's Algorithmic Orange Juice? - The Atlantic
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[11:33]	XRevan86	matey: "american is actually british english with bits of canadian, spanish and german thrown in" <- It is not.
[11:43]	schestowitz-TR	what about french?
[11:43]	schestowitz-TR	and dutch?
[11:44]	schestowitz-TR	italisn, irish..
[11:44]	schestowitz-TR	or maybe that's about language
[11:44]	schestowitz-TR	not ethnic
[11:44]	TR News	Where E-Mail, IRC and USENET (Even Social Control Media) Fail at Communications | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/social-control-media-pitfalls/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/social-control-media-pitfalls/
[11:44]	TR Bot	 Where E-Mail, IRC and USENET (Even Social Control Media) Fail at Communications | Techrights
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[11:53]	DaemonFC	https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/escaped-flamingo-from-kansas-zoo-spotted-in-texas
[11:53]	TR Bot	 Flamingo that escaped Kansas zoo 17 years ago spotted in Texas
[11:53]	DaemonFC	Prison break!
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[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	very very important news!!
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	150 million unemployed adults
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR	"look, Flamingo!!"
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[13:05]	matey	interesting fernhout link http://www.welchco.com/sd/08/00101/02/00/12/19/101620.HTM
[13:05]	TR Bot	 001219 Paul Fernhout worries technology causes complexity; focuses on values.
[13:05]	matey	a bit unwieldy
[13:05]	schestowitz-TR	i don;t know him...
[13:05]	schestowitz-TR	the page says all rights reserves
[13:06]	schestowitz-TR	the video says cc
[13:06]	schestowitz-TR	one is wrong
[13:06]	schestowitz-TR	*reserved
[13:06]	schestowitz-TR	which rights?
[13:06]	matey	the page says all rights reserves | one is wrong <- your pages say no-derivs and by-sa
[13:06]	schestowitz-TR	publicity rights?
[13:07]	matey	but as far as a.r.r. vs cc theyre not mutually exclusive (even if they should be)
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	no, my page says all rights reserved
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	the video itself says CC
[13:07]	matey	my page says all rights reserved <- since when?
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[13:08]	matey	http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/social-control-media-pitfalls/ "Content is available under CC-BY-SA"
[13:08]	matey	thats what your page says
[13:08]	matey	by the way, i said that stavrous website needs to specify which by-sa it uses. it does-- 4.0-- on another page
[13:09]	matey	but as far as a.r.r. vs cc
[13:09]	matey	if you find one of lessigs books at the library (given that he founded cc)
[13:09]	matey	or one of doctorows
[13:09]	matey	(cory)
[13:10]	matey	youll see that traditional publishers use both "all rights reserved" and cc licenses on cc-licensed books
[13:10]	matey	they shouldnt imo, but it does not affect the status of the cc license
[13:11]	matey	you can ignore "all rights reserved" when you see it in the same place as a cc license.
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[13:11]	schestowitz-TR	[13:08] <matey> thats what your page says
[13:11]	schestowitz-TR	aha
[13:11]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[13:11]	matey	you can ignore "all rights reserved" when you see it in the same place as a cc license <- otherwise, you must conclude that lessigs cc-licensed books are not cc-licensed
[13:12]	schestowitz-TR	so there are three places that state licnece: site, post, and video
[13:12]	schestowitz-TR	my videos are non-deriv
[13:12]	schestowitz-TR	btw
[13:12]	schestowitz-TR	did you see my remark earlier?
[13:12]	schestowitz-TR	about walsh
[13:12]	matey	about walsh?
[13:12]	matey	ill check
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	[08:20] <schestowitz-TR> matey (away): walsh in charge
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	[08:21] <schestowitz-TR> "First, CC is excited to announce that longtime CC staffer, Kat Walsh, has been promoted to CC General Counsel. Kat was on the CC legal team from 2012-2015 during the drafting and initial publication process of version 4.0 of the license suite. She returned to CC in 2021 as Deputy General Counsel. Kat has a nearly 20-year history in the free and open culture movements, including many years on the boards of the 
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	Wikimedia Foundation and the 
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	[08:21] <schestowitz-TR> Free Software Foundation, and has previously worked in library policy, technology startups, and online community management. She is an advocate for free access to knowledge and for CC licensing as part of the infrastructure for an internet that belongs to everyone. As General Counsel, she oversees the legal support for all aspects of CCs activities, provides strategic input, leads the stewardship of CCs legal 
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	tools, and advises the 
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	[08:21] <schestowitz-TR> organization on new programmatic initiatives."
[13:13]	schestowitz-TR	https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/01/congratulations-and-farewell/
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[13:13]	TR Bot	 Congratulations and Farewell - Creative Commons
[13:14]	matey	First, CC is excited to announce that longtime CC staffer, Kat Walsh, has been promoted to CC General Counsel.
[13:14]	matey	so basically shes to cc what eben was to fsf
[13:15]	matey	cc is a defunct organisation, they stand for nothing at all
[13:15]	matey	compromise first and lies second
[13:15]	matey	mike linksvayer was (imo) the only person who could have saved them
[13:16]	matey	i dont like him, he was nonetheless right
[13:17]	matey	jesus christ, he moved to github!
[13:17]	matey	Mike Linksvayer is an intellectual freedom and commons proponent, known as a technology entrepreneur, developer and activist from co-founding Bitzi and leadership of Creative Commons.[1][2] He is GitHub's Policy Director.
[13:17]	matey	hes what?
[13:17]	schestowitz-TR	lol
[13:18]	schestowitz-TR	copilot of bill
[13:18]	matey	adds another dimension to why he signed
[13:19]	schestowitz-TR	oh, did he?
[13:19]	schestowitz-TR	waslsh opposed rms
[13:19]	schestowitz-TR	cc also
[13:19]	schestowitz-TR	now one of them works for the criminals (microsoft)
[13:20]	matey	 waslsh opposed rms <- but theres is nothing public stating that
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR	no
[13:20]	matey	she resigned among a bunch of people, and thats all
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR	but i hear so
[13:20]	matey	well, when you hear what she opposed him on, let me know
[13:21]	schestowitz-TR	i heard it from a reliable source
[13:21]	matey	i wouldnt be surprised if she opposed him on a license matter
[13:21]	matey	and not even wrt software
[13:21]	schestowitz	covered here https://techrights.org/2021/03/28/rms-return/
[13:22]	TR Bot	 Get Ready for Richard M. Stallman to Become FSF President Again (for Continuity of the FSFs Mission) | Techrights
[13:22]	matey	as the fsf promotes non-free licenses on grounds i consider handwavy, revisionist and special-pleading...ish
[13:22]	matey	 covered here https://techrights.org/2021/03/28/rms-return/ <- ill bet you theres no details there.
[13:22]	matey	about kat leaving
[13:22]	schestowitz	she is also mentioned in http://techrights.org/2020/11/18/orgs-dilemma/ http://techrights.org/2021/01/10/alex-oliva-fsf-departure/  http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ian-kelling-fsf-board-of-directors/  http://techrights.org/2020/07/19/fsf-and-rms-lead/
[13:22]	TR Bot	 Organisations Are/nt the Problem | Techrights
[13:22]	TR Bot	 Alex Olivas Departure is a Massive Loss to the Free Software Foundation | Techrights
[13:22]	TR Bot	 FSF Welcomes Ian Kelling to Staff Seat on the FSFs Board of Directors | Techrights
[13:22]	TR Bot	 RMS Probably Isnt Fit to Lead Heres the Rest of That Picture | Techrights
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[13:23]	schestowitz-TR	from memory:
[13:23]	schestowitz-TR	they did a voting
[13:23]	schestowitz-TR	the voting members
[13:23]	schestowitz-TR	who include rms and oliva
[13:23]	matey	yes
[13:23]	schestowitz-TR	and she was the one who opposes his return
[13:24]	schestowitz-TR	*opposed
[13:24]	matey	thats a shame
[13:24]	schestowitz-TR	so she resigned, I think
[13:24]	schestowitz-TR	and said so publicly
[13:24]	matey	that means she supports his ousting on illegitimate (fraudulent) grounds
[13:24]	matey	and this is a counsel for cc
[13:24]	matey	already was, now general counsel (deputy before)
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[13:25]	matey	i would have supported his ousting (as president only) on HONEST grounds
[13:25]	matey	but that probably wouldnt have been enough to oust him. so be it-- i never supported ousting him on dishonest grounds.
[13:25]	matey	and ever since they did, ive called for him to be reinstated, because you dont oust founders based on bullshit.
[13:26]	matey	the ousting should be null and void
[13:26]	matey	i cosnider it fraud.
[13:26]	matey	if she wants to support fraud as general counsel, whatever
[13:26]	matey	good lawyers are few and far between
[13:27]	matey	kat owes much of her career to lessig, who cites rms
[13:27]	matey	her career, mind you
[13:27]	matey	lessig never tried to oust him
[13:27]	matey	im not saying she wouldnt have a career without either of them
[13:27]	matey	im saying she wouldnt have the one she has now
[13:27]	matey	she might be a successful counsel in some other field
[13:27]	matey	those two CREATED the field she works in, basically.
[13:28]	matey	its ridiculous. as ridiculous as esr.
[13:28]	matey	maybe she should be the general counsel for him.
[13:28]	matey	but whatever, one among thousands. just a fairly ridiculous example
[13:29]	matey	i consider it a fraud.
[13:29]	matey	slander, libel, special pleading, double standards and hypocrisy.
[13:29]	schestowitz-TR	to climb
[13:29]	matey	but you dont sue a lynch mob.
[13:31]	matey	you might wonder, i think she might, why i never bring your admin into this
[13:31]	matey	there are two or three reasons
[13:32]	matey	1. it serves no goal of mine 2. shes one of the few (the only one i know) that unsigned 3. shes one of the few that explained her actions directly
[13:32]	matey	any one of these counts, but together they count for more
[13:32]	matey	i dont have much to say about it-- except that i dont have much to say about it.
[13:33]	matey	the only one i know <- i know there are others, but im not familiar with them.
[13:33]	schestowitz-TR	I'm finalisign a pos related to this
[13:33]	schestowitz-TR	*post
[13:34]	matey	imo you need additional reasons TO criticise someone who unsigned. by default they should be left out of the whole thing, unless theres good reason not to
[13:34]	matey	and its already a given that some who signed didnt know wtf they were doing. no one has to explain that to me.
[13:34]	matey	but you know, if you didnt know what you were doing... there are a FEW easy fixes
[13:35]	matey	if you cant unsign for some technical reason, you can still you know, talk about it
[13:36]	matey	I'm finalisign a pos related to this <- ill say a little prayer it doesnt make things worse
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[13:37]	matey	schestowitz__ figosdev no longer writes for us. On many things I agree with him, but it always disturbed me that he urged you to step down Jan 04 11:34 <- youre never going to be forgiven for that
[13:38]	matey	tom said: "Not only is it ancient history, with no bearing on the present, but you had fully explained the context previously. For him to bring this up now is simply a smear"
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[13:38]	matey	you knew it wasnt true.
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[13:39]	schestowitz-TR	matey: the way I remember it
[13:39]	matey	"Idiots can be defeated but they never admit it." - Richard Stallman https://techrights.org/2022/02/14/goodbye-mcgovern/
[13:39]	schestowitz-TR	putting aside minor points
[13:39]	TR Bot	 Reprehensible GNOME Foundation Leadership Falls on Sword While Richard Stallman Returns | Techrights
[13:39]	schestowitz-TR	johns (I think) was 'lobbying' RMS
[13:40]	schestowitz-TR	and he viewed your articles as hostile to him
[13:40]	schestowitz-TR	I think you called him some names at some point
[13:40]	matey	like i care what johnsu thinks
[13:40]	schestowitz-TR	RMS did not budge
[13:40]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, johns is also out
[13:40]	matey	lol, you brought him up
[13:41]	matey	 I think you called him some names at some point <- yes, i was told he was supporting the coup by a source that should be reliable
[13:41]	matey	so i called him some names
[13:41]	schestowitz-TR	yeah
[13:41]	matey	so what
[13:41]	schestowitz-TR	many people left
[13:41]	schestowitz-TR	several joined
[13:41]	schestowitz-TR	the new joiners we know very little about
[13:41]	schestowitz-TR	3 of them
[13:41]	schestowitz-TR	but I hope they didn't vet more walshes
[13:41]	schestowitz-TR	who can turn around at any time
[13:42]	schestowitz-TR	because rms sexist something...
[13:42]	matey	walsh is an example of something that goes with the territory
[13:42]	matey	theres no sort of vetting that can prevent that happening
[13:42]	schestowitz-TR	which isn't even based on actual solid evidence; the opposite is more true
[13:42]	matey	there are only oaths
[13:42]	matey	and im very critical of the oaths that already exist-- theyre a farce for one thing, and they are regressive
[13:42]	schestowitz-TR	they can go by track record
[13:42]	matey	which isn't even based on actual solid evidence; the opposite is more true <- exactly
[13:43]	schestowitz-TR	some people broke my 'heart' ove the years
[13:43]	schestowitz-TR	defected to enemy territories
[13:43]	matey	my favourite defence of him is still the one from nadine strossen
[13:43]	schestowitz-TR	spamnil, sjvm, even microbell more recently
[13:43]	matey	thats a gem
[13:43]	matey	even microbell more recently <- i gave on microbell a long time ago
[13:43]	matey	basically i gave him a chance, and that was that
[13:43]	schestowitz-TR	too manyu product ads
[13:43]	schestowitz-TR	and now we have evidence of the payment, too
[13:43]	matey	too much crap altogether
[13:44]	matey	and now we have evidence of the payment, too <- classic
[13:44]	schestowitz-TR	he presented it himself
[13:44]	schestowitz-TR	showing oiff crates of expensive CPUs
[13:44]	matey	that was his method of disclosure? 
[13:44]	schestowitz-TR	a paiur or 4? OK.
[13:45]	matey	im curious just how many cpus he got
[13:45]	schestowitz-TR	but when you get a whole house to do some puff pieces, you went too far
[13:45]	matey	i mean "crates" could be an exaggeration-- im not saying it is
[13:45]	matey	but it only says "its a lot"
[13:45]	schestowitz-TR	and not any cpus
[13:45]	schestowitz-TR	those are worth like $5000 each
[13:45]	matey	expensive ones
[13:45]	matey	right
[13:45]	schestowitz-TR	used to be over 10000 each when new
[13:45]	matey	so like-- millions of dollars in cpus or something?
[13:46]	schestowitz-TR	that's one thing
[13:46]	schestowitz-TR	you then look at rthe "content"
[13:46]	schestowitz-TR	and see full brochures for those companies
[13:46]	matey	i dont even understand how he got that much "clout" with amd in the first place
[13:46]	schestowitz-TR	even when it's not about Linux
[13:46]	schestowitz-TR	intel does the same
[13:46]	matey	like hes a big name sort of
[13:46]	schestowitz-TR	he also showed an intel crate
[13:46]	matey	but millions of dollars big?
[13:46]	schestowitz-TR	the money isn't the issue
[13:47]	schestowitz-TR	but proportionality 
[13:47]	matey	the money helps quantify the issue
[13:47]	schestowitz-TR	and then objectivity in reporting
[13:47]	matey	i mean when theres a bribe... quantifying it in money is part of the story
[13:48]	matey	because its the only sense of scale most readers would grasp
[13:48]	matey	i have no idea what he got, in terms of quantity
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	[13:17] <matey> Mike Linksvayer is an intellectual freedom and commons proponent, known as a technology entrepreneur, developer and activist from co-founding Bitzi and leadership of Creative Commons.[1][2] He is GitHub's Policy Director.
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	money comes in many forms
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	in past, present, future
[13:48]	matey	oh i know
[13:48]	matey	github bribes people with free hosting
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	those racks can be sold later
[13:48]	matey	in return, they gain control 
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	not just free hosting
[13:49]	matey	but wait
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR	'free' clown cycles
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR	github ACTIONS
[13:49]	matey	gnu develops (too many) say its NOT control!
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR	there are other 'perks'
[13:49]	matey	theyre just providing "mirrors" that development "moves" to
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR	not fictional ones like 'arctic vault'
[13:50]	matey	they shouldnt stop with arctic vault. they should recreate the defunct aricebo dish and beam everyones code out into space
[13:50]	matey	so extraterrestrials can file issues and submit pull requests
[13:51]	matey	why not?
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	mars vault
[13:51]	matey	mars vault!
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	for extra fee
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	buy land in mars. click here to learn more.
[13:51]	matey	free with x amount of stars on your account
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	lunar github
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	buy disk space hosted and cooled on the moon
[13:52]	schestowitz-TR	with bezos walking all over it
[13:52]	matey	buy land in mars <- and when you get there* you see there are already squatters on your martian property, leading to ownership disputes on the martian court system*
[13:52]	matey	* lol
[13:52]	schestowitz-TR	maybe they call sell "followers"
[13:52]	schestowitz-TR	swapnil would buy seveal units
[13:53]	schestowitz-TR	maybe with 200,000 "subescribers" instead of 20,000 his NEW video will get 70 views per week
[13:53]	schestowitz-TR	not just 7
[13:53]	matey	swapnil, with crates full of apple m1
[13:53]	matey	coming soon
[13:53]	schestowitz-TR	he showed off buying a mac
[13:53]	schestowitz-TR	then tweeted in anger he had to reboot every day
[13:53]	schestowitz-TR	after paying like $`15,000
[13:54]	matey	the mac runs linux though (happy birthday gnu)
[13:54]	schestowitz-TR	last saturday I bought a new laptop for 205 pounds
[13:54]	schestowitz-TR	it's a short walking distance from home, to
[13:54]	schestowitz-TR	too
[13:54]	matey	 then tweeted in anger he had to reboot every day <- i wonder why
[13:54]	schestowitz-TR	10-15 mins
[13:55]	schestowitz-TR	matey: "you're holding it wrong"
[13:55]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR loves that like
[13:55]	schestowitz-TR	Jobs about hypePhone antenna
[13:55]	schestowitz-TR	blame the customer
[13:56]	schestowitz-TR	just cheked my xfce laptop, uptime 118 days
[13:56]	matey	you wouldnt believe mine
[13:57]	matey	same digits
[13:57]	schestowitz-TR	oh
[13:57]	matey	181 days
[13:57]	matey	jsut checked
[13:57]	schestowitz-TR	socially awkward penguin meme
[13:57]	matey	maybe this one:
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[14:00]	matey	https://memegenerator.net/Socially-Awkward-To-Awesome-Penguin
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[14:00]	TR Bot	 Socially Awkward to Awesome Penguin | Meme Generator
[14:01]		*schestowitz-TR doing meme of zemlin slapping torvalds
[14:01]	matey	doing meme of zemlin slapping torvalds <- topical
[14:01]	schestowitz-TR	you know the emplate
[14:02]	schestowitz-TR	smith rock
[14:02]	matey	actually i have paid very little attention
[14:02]	schestowitz-TR	wait, I have a better idea
[14:02]	matey	i found three videos about it literally while looking for footage of news anchors from 20 years ago
[14:02]	matey	in the same results
[14:03]	matey	but it was worth it, just to see that people were saying "paper beats rock"
[14:03]	matey	i dont know who can top that
[14:06]	schestowitz-TR	paper
[14:06]	schestowitz-TR	Stoner beats Chris
[14:10]	matey	Getty charges almost $1,200 for widely used meme, Socially Awkward Penguin
[14:15]	TR News	Microsoft Crime: A Week Later No Investigation Launched, No Microsoft Executives Prosecuted, Nobody Phoned the Police, Not Even a Slap on the Wrist | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/microsoft-crime-unpunished/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/microsoft-crime-unpunished/
[14:15]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Crime: A Week Later No Investigation Launched, No Microsoft Executives Prosecuted, Nobody Phoned the Police, Not Even a Slap on the Wrist | Techrights
[14:25]	matey	https://hackaday.io/project/98837-8-bit-portable-internet-enabled-computer
[14:25]	TR Bot	Portable Internet-Enabled Computer | Hackaday.io
[14:25]	kingoffrance	"you can ignore "all rights reserved" when you see it in the same place as a cc license"'   that sounds to me like "this is xyz licensed but i retain a private 'copy' (or 'original') that can be licensed (or not) however" ?    i.e. they are 2 separate "works" (terminology may be wrong, 2 separate instances from the same work perhaps).    "otherwise, you must conclude that lessigs cc-licensed books are not cc-licensed"   yeah, seems an instance is
[14:25]	kingoffrance	 one or the other          "you can ignore "all rights reserved" when you see it in the same place as a cc license."  makes sense, it should not be "in the same place" is the confusion
[14:26]	kingoffrance	if above is correct, yes they should know better
[14:26]	schestowitz-TR	all rights reserved, but where?
[14:26]	schestowitz-TR	which rights?
[14:26]	matey	"This article (https://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP-NG/http-prob.html) by Simon E Spero shows that HTTP is a slow and inefficient internet protocol. Most of the time, HTTP is waiting. The slow start to HTTP connections hurts performance, and slows down the Round Trip Time (RTT)."
[14:26]	TR Bot	 Analysis of HTTP Performance Problems
[14:26]	schestowitz-TR	matey: simply
[14:26]	schestowitz-TR	make pages one file
[14:27]	matey	sure
[14:27]	schestowitz-TR	and the problem mostly goes away
[14:27]	matey	yes but after you do that
[14:27]	schestowitz-TR	gemini take minisecs to load
[14:27]	matey	http is still slow
[14:27]	schestowitz-TR	the latency is at the routing level
[14:27]	matey	in other words it could be faster (if it were a different protocol)
[14:27]	schestowitz-TR	SPDY Gonzeles Gulag
[14:28]	schestowitz-TR	zales
[14:28]	matey	i wasnt thinking of spdy
[14:28]	schestowitz-TR	now known as HTTP/3 iir
[14:28]	schestowitz-TR	like webp and jpeg2000
[14:28]	schestowitz-TR	they try to make proprietary things seem more open
[14:28]	schestowitz-TR	even trash is now 'standardised'
[14:28]	schestowitz-TR	and DRM
[14:28]	schestowitz-TR	they just fornalised those
[14:28]	schestowitz-TR	OOXMl
[14:28]	matey	<kingoffrance>  one or the other          "you can ignore "all rights reserved" when you see it in the same place as a cc license."  makes sense, it should not be "in the same place" is the confusion <- all rights reserved can be retracted and negated
[14:28]	schestowitz-TR	"open"
[14:28]	matey	but a cc license cannoy
[14:29]	matey	cannot
[14:29]	matey	i think all rights reserved + cc license is an unintended "dual license"
[14:29]	matey	but either way, saying "all rights reserved" has never outweighed other license requirements / rights
[14:30]	matey	its not a license, its just a copyright notice
[14:30]	kingoffrance	yes, "all rights reserved" is talking  seems is about the "author's" rights, not the work per se
[14:30]	matey	but i still think its weird to put both. lawyers.
[14:30]	kingoffrance	^^^
[14:30]	matey	the real confusion begins with ccs whimsical take on a.r.r. "some rights reserved"
[14:31]	matey	but thats more marketing than legally binding, it creates confusion
[14:31]	kingoffrance	you can put comments in a box the sov citizens say.  and then someone like me says oh look a hieroglyphic lol noone agrees lol
[14:31]	schestowitz-TR	or assuming unlabeled is public domain
[14:31]	matey	 or assuming unlabeled is public domain <- as it was until 1976/78
[14:31]	schestowitz-TR	if we were PD people could scrape the whole site, repost, then change the articles themselves
[14:31]	matey	in the states at least
[14:31]	schestowitz-TR	to say something the originals did not say
[14:32]	matey	 if we were PD people could scrape the whole site, repost, then change the articles themselves <- they can still do that, but they must cite (per the license)
[14:33]	TR News	"This 5-minute talk, which covers information overload, algorithms that may stoke outrage and a few more things is Paul Fernhouts take on tools that are inherently immoral or problematic; we need less, not more, and better, according to Fernhout." http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/social-control-media-pitfalls/
[14:33]	TR Bot	 Where E-Mail, IRC and USENET (Even Social Control Media) Fail at Communications | Techrights
[14:34]	matey	there are also widely accepted standards and practices that are not required by copyright
[14:35]	matey	for example, in academia its not enough to follow the license, there are other expectations on top of this for a "scholarly work"
[14:35]	kingoffrance	well i agree its weird. a license is a "under these conditions, i relinquish some rights".   so any license is not "all rights reserved" by definition
[14:35]	kingoffrance	and public domain is "no rights reserved"
[14:35]	matey	dishes in restaurants are not under copyright but there is a "code" (honour code) among chefs, enforced by boycott
[14:35]	kingoffrance	"all rights relinquished"
[14:36]	matey	and public domain is "no rights reserved" <- technically public domain means "no rights reservable" 
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[14:36]	kingoffrance	yep
[14:36]	matey	but it doesnt even mean that
[14:36]	matey	its really close to that
[14:36]	kingoffrance	explain :)
[14:37]	matey	there are rights that apply even to pd works
[14:37]	matey	theyre simply tangential to (not part of) copyright
[14:37]	kingoffrance	well i know for other thing there is like "you cant sell your soul" "noone can do the impossible" some things you cant give away
[14:37]	matey	an example being using your likeness for certain things
[14:37]	matey	is tangential to copyright
[14:37]	TR News	"Luo Di developed the source code of an application called VirtualApp (VA) to be hosted on GitHub.com under the third version of the GNU General Public License (GPLV3). The GPL is a series of widely used free software licenses that guarantee end users the four freedoms" https://www.mondaq.com/china/patent/1175402/guangzhou-ip-court39s-top-10-exemplary-cases-of-2021
[14:37]	TR Bot	 Guangzhou IP Court's Top 10 Exemplary Cases Of 2021 - Intellectual Property - China
[14:37]	kingoffrance	makes sense
[14:38]	matey	a photo can bein the public domain, the person in the photo can still sue around certain uses
[14:39]	matey	but certainly wrt copyright alone, pd means no rights reserved
[14:39]	matey	or reservable
[14:39]	matey	except in finland :)
[14:40]	matey	if you have a restaurant, no chef has a monopoly on most dishes
[14:40]	TR News	Lawyers rarely can code; so they look for some other ways to make money, at the expense of those who do all the actual work https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/have-you-ever-considered-an-open-source-2057520/
[14:40]	TR Bot	you ever considered an open-source audit for your organisation? | Escrow London - JDSupra
[14:40]	matey	you can go find a recipe you love and add a couple touches to make it yours
[14:40]	matey	no one can (or will) stop you... but...
[14:41]	matey	chefs have a "signature dish" which is basically theirs
[14:41]	matey	if you bite too much off their signature dish, every chef and restaurant owner will be against your business
[14:41]	TR News	Mist, our middleware tool, runs in a separate process, runs concurrently with RetroArch Steam, and functions as a bridge between this separate process interfacing with Steamworks and the GPL application itself running in an entirely different process. https://www.pcgamesn.com/emulation/retroarch-steam-deck-emulation
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[14:41]	TR Bot	update makes Steam Deck emulation better | PCGamesN
[14:41]	matey	its a code, its not law
[14:42]	matey	this way everyone has a right to promote themselves with their own best offering, and its basically untouchable
[14:43]	matey	but i can make gordan ramsays risotto and no one will care. though simply as a matter of style id probably add my own touch to it anyway
[14:44]	matey	thats assuming i can make risotto for shit, which i cant
[14:45]	matey	what you cant do (regarding copyright) is copy recipes verbatim out of a book
[14:46]	matey	the process and the ingredients cant be copyrighted-- but the actual wording can
[14:46]	matey	cc-licensed recipes then save you the trouble of rewriting the whole thing
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[15:06]	TR News	Court erred in Neo4j ruling Software Freedom Conservancy - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/02/court_neo4j_ruling/ Source: theregister
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[15:06]	TR Bot	 Court erred in Neo4j ruling Software Freedom Conservancy The Register
[15:06]	schestowitz-TR	SFC will drag a judge out
[15:06]	schestowitz-TR	with a CoC
[15:06]	schestowitz-TR	and BY-the-CoC
[15:08]	TR News	Avergae Apple cons00mer: meh, it does not cost anything. Must be malware. https://osxdaily.com/2022/03/27/get-nano-text-editor-mac/
[15:08]	TR Bot	 How to Install nano Text Editor on Mac Again
[15:11]	TR News	How Microsofters explain GIMP: "its free to download and open source, making it work well with the community, and everyone can work on the source codes." https://windowsreport.com/windows-11-free-photo-editor/
[15:11]	TR Bot	 5+ best free photo editors for Windows 11
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[15:12]	TR News	This likely a plagiarism site: "GIMP refers to GNU Image Manipulation Program and is one of the most well-known alternatives to Photoshop. The best part is GIMP is good for both beginner photo editors and advanced photo editors too." https://www.thetealmango.com/technology/8-free-alternatives-to-photoshop-in-2022/
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[15:12]	TR Bot	 8 Free Alternatives To Photoshop in 2022 - The Teal Mango
[15:17]	TR News	The April 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163267
[15:17]	TR Bot	 The April 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine | Tux Machines
[15:21]	TR News	First time in years that I see Matt Hartley https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page01.html
[15:21]	TR Bot	 PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 1
[15:25]	matey	<schestowitz-TR> SFC will drag a judge out <- which judge
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR	the old one
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR	who says bad things
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR	and thinks wrong
[15:26]	matey	i think its the word "judge" (noun) that is confusing me here
[15:26]	matey	there arent very many of them
[15:27]	matey	zero i know of with any relationship to sfc
[15:27]	matey	unless you mean "person who judges" which is nearly anyone, but "person who judges sfc" would narrow it down
[15:28]	matey	if i were sure what you meant i wouldnt ask
[15:28]	TR News	Gulag breaks stuff by imposing formats many platforms do not support https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page05.html
[15:28]	TR Bot	 PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 5
[15:29]	matey	/me wonders if pocock is retreating
[15:29]	TR News	Repo Review: Cryptomator https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page06.
[15:29]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page06 )
[15:29]	matey	im not sure, not much to go on
[15:30]	matey	also when was gerwitz in a position to censor him? i wasnt aware of him ever being in charge of email at the fsf
[15:30]	matey	i believe someone did, i dont understand how it could be gerwitz though
[15:31]	TR News	"GULAG'S DIALER AND MESSAGING APPS HAVE BEEN COLLECTING AND SENDING DATA TO GULAG WITHOUT SPECIFIC NOTICE OR CONSENT, possibly in violation of Europe's GDPR, according to an article on The Register." https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page07.html
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[15:32]	TR News	"I hate it when developers try to make things "simpler," especially when something has been one way for a very, very long, LONG time. That's the case with the most recent Firefox 98.0.1. Developers, in their misdirected zeal to "simplify" the download workflow, managed to ROYALLY screw it up." https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202204/page09.html
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[15:32]	matey	Fri 21:54:11   bnchs   i hate when servers tell me that IP address of some domain Fri 21:54:14   bnchs   fuck that shit
[15:32]	matey	he was missing the point
[15:33]	matey	the problem isnt that they do that
[15:33]	matey	the problem is they often dont
[15:33]	matey	he got the whole thing 180
[15:33]	matey	i wasnt complaining about the internet working, but the many ways in which it fails to do so
[15:33]	matey	its not even a straw man, its an upside down man
[15:34]	matey	a straw man would have been closer to what it was critiquing (if it was even right side up)
[15:34]	matey	its like if you complaing above a pinto going up in flames and he said
[15:34]	TR News	How to Install MX Linux on Your PC https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-install-mx-linux/ Source: makeuseof
[15:35]	TR Bot	 How to Install MX Linux on Your PC
[15:35]	matey	yeah, i hate it when i get in a car and it takes me places
[15:35]	matey	okay
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	maybe it was poorly phrased
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	I too was a little confused by thst statement
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	(at the time)
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	tor helps obfuscate routes
[15:37]	matey	XRevan86   matey: "american is actually british english with bits of canadian, spanish and german thrown in" <- It is not. <- sorry, i thought it was obvious i was being facetious, particularly since "canadian" isnt a language
[15:38]	XRevan86	matey: Right, I'm too used to linguistic freakery at this point.
[15:38]	TR News	Illinois Tech alumnus Jack Dongarra wins Turi | EurekAlert! https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/948379 Source: eurekalert mentions GNU Octave
[15:38]	TR Bot	 Illinois Tech alumnus Jack Dongarra wins Turi | EurekAlert!
[15:38]	matey	oh i sympathise, i was actually having fun with it
[15:39]	matey	i really do prefer facts, unless theres mysticism (directly) involved
[15:39]	matey	at that point its difficult to find consensus on what "facts" would be
[15:40]	matey	of course speculation has a place, and when speculation remains unchallenged for the better part of a decade, upgrading to "suspicion" has a place too
[15:40]	matey	but with regards to linguistics, there are reasonable and sound processes and all that
[15:41]	XRevan86	Naturally.
[15:41]	matey	and i dont mind people speculating, provided they know "false friends" are a thing and-- its sad if theres a blatant and obvious angle behind the whole thing, eh?
[15:41]	XRevan86	But some people confuse their own madness with proper evidence.
[15:42]	matey	well i think thats part of the nature of madness, but i agree that some people seem like they ought to know better
[15:42]	TR News	From Russia with love https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/nasa_vande_hei_return/
[15:42]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/nasa_vande_hei_return/
[15:42]	TR Bot	 NASA astronaut returns to Earth on a Russian Soyuz The Register
[15:42]	XRevan86	matey: Indeed, people wouldn't be mad if they could recognise it.
[15:42]	matey	at any rate, if i say anything patently ridiculous about word origins or language, its probably a joke-- or a reasonable error
[15:42]	matey	this one was a joke
[15:43]	matey	but given the territory, its completely understandable that you were concerned it was something else :)
[15:44]	MinceR	(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhuNRWskgNQ
[15:44]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EhuNRWskgNQ
[15:44]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | [1435] How To Fill My Wifes Beaver - Invidious
[15:44]	matey	/me wonders how far back mincers (useful) notation of multimedia urls goes
[15:44]	XRevan86	MinceR: Not his strongest April 1st.
[15:45]	MinceR	:>
[15:45]	MinceR	his others are linked in the description
[15:46]	matey	/me giggles
[15:47]	matey	/me writes in to complain that he didnt actually show how to fill it, only how to open it
[15:47]	matey	if theres any trick to getting the candy in, the video wont show you
[15:47]	matey	maybe theres a part 2
[15:50]	MinceR	:>
[15:50]	MinceR	he also didn't show how that candy probably doesn't work with the vending mechanism
[15:52]	matey	it depends 
[15:52]	TR News	Microsoft "Defender" as back doors https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sentinelone_microsoft_azure_iot/
[15:52]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sentinelone_microsoft_azure_iot/
[15:52]	TR Bot	 In detail: Bugs patched in Microsoft Azure Defender for IoT The Register
[15:53]	matey	ive seen machines like that which dispense runts, which are shown in a large bag in the video
[15:53]	matey	so its quite plausible
[15:54]	matey	also nestle now owns willy wonka, so that sucks
[15:54]	TR News	Pushing new buzzwords to create lots of hype https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/puppet_devops_salary/
[15:54]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/puppet_devops_salary/
[15:54]	TR Bot	 DevOps salaries revealed in Puppet report The Register
[15:55]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TRozAbaKs9M
[15:55]	TR Bot	 [862] Getting Into My Wifes Beaver (April Fools Video) - Invidious
[15:55]	matey	his wife has two beavers
[15:55]	TR News	US taxpayers again forced to bail out or subsidise Microsoft https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/pentagon_delays_jwcc_cloud_deal/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[15:55]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/pentagon_delays_jwcc_cloud_deal/
[15:55]	TR Bot	 Pentagon again delays JWCC cloud mega-deal The Register
[15:55]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[15:56]	matey	also nestle now owns willy wonka, so that sucks <- funny how free software is exactly like consumer brands in this regard
[15:56]	matey	everything is owned by nestle and microsoft
[15:56]	TR News	Can't they just leave ARM alone? https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sk_hynix_may_head_up/
[15:56]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sk_hynix_may_head_up/
[15:56]	TR Bot	 SK Hynix may head up consortium to buy Arm The Register
[15:56]	matey	"indie" music labels owned by major riaa labels, etc
[15:57]	matey	"i liked free software before it went all mainstream" or really, before it was utterly co-opted
[15:57]	matey	by people who hate freedom.
[15:59]	TR News	How to blame VMware problems on anyone but VMware https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/log4j-malware-sophos-vmware-horizon/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware#2022
[15:59]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/log4j-malware-sophos-vmware-horizon/
[15:59]	TR Bot	 Log4j attacks hit remote-work tool VMware Horizon report The Register
[15:59]	TR Bot	 VMware - Techrights
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[16:01]	matey	not worth the time it takes, but i still thought it was funny https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dmbpagijVkk
[16:01]	TR Bot	 Lee Mack's Joke Leaves John Cleese In Near Tears | The Graham Norton Show - Invidious
[16:01]	TR News	Microsoft boosters' sites make the wrong assumption that developers are using Windows https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2022/04/01/preparing-cifar-data.aspx
[16:01]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: visualstudiomagazine.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2022/04/01/preparing-cifar-data.aspx
[16:01]	TR Bot	 Preparing CIFAR Image Data for PyTorch -- Visual Studio Magazine
[16:03]	TR News	Being kind to people who deserve kindness is an important attribute/skill; sadly, sociopathic corporations and the tactless people they put in charge of projects/communities mostly ruin projects http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/kindness-to-the-worthy/
[16:03]	TR Bot	 Being Nice to Each Other and Avoidance of Miscommunication | Techrights
[16:03]	TR News	In the so-called free market, Microsoft crime simply pays off and there's an incentive to engage in corruption (even in the future) http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/microsoft-crime-unpunished/
[16:03]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Crime: A Week Later No Investigation Launched, No Microsoft Executives Prosecuted, Nobody Phoned the Police, Not Even a Slap on the Wrist | Techrights
[16:04]	matey	this is priceless https://yewtu.be/watch?v=f74L2hRZE1Y
[16:04]	TR News	The geeky-gadgets Web site pivots to Webspam https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/last-minute-deal-linux-administration-bootcamp-save-60-24-03-2022/
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[16:04]	TR Bot	 John Cleese Offered To Kill His Mom To Cheer Her Up | CONAN on TBS - Invidious
[16:04]	TR Bot	 Last Minute Deal: Linux Administration Bootcamp - Geeky Gadgets
[16:04]	matey	(john cleese)
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[16:06]	TR News	Cause of global warming identified https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/nvidia_releases_1999_8kcapable_geforce/
[16:06]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/nvidia_releases_1999_8kcapable_geforce/
[16:06]	TR Bot	 Nvidia's $1,999, 8K-capable GeForce RTX 3090 Ti GPU is out The Register
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[16:08]	TR News	"This week I changed vehicles and took the train again --- after a much too long period of trying to evade the plague by car (successfully so). In a nutshell, commuting by train takes quite a bit longer, but I don't need to pay much attention, so it is not as exhausting." gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/20220402-commute-5.gmi
[16:08]	MinceR	lol @ Cleese
[16:09]	bnchs	john cheese
[16:09]	MinceR	that's someone else
[16:09]	TR News	How to see running IP Services on Linux with ss gemini://blog.datapulp.de/how-to-see-running-ip-services-on-linux-with-ss
[16:09]	bnchs	i will kill your mom with a heart attack
[16:09]	MinceR	still funny, but not as funny
[16:09]	bnchs	thats john cheese
[16:10]	bnchs	yeah
[16:12]	bnchs	i hate how duckduckgo is biased towards microsoft
[16:12]	bnchs	even with shit like fastcgi documentation
[16:12]	bnchs	it brings up MS IIS crap
[16:12]	TR News	"I distro hopped a lot in my early twenties. Eventually I mostly used Debian at university, Ubuntu for personal computers (the hardware support has always been good in Ubuntu), and Red Hat for work. On my servers I run Raspberry Pi OS (formerly Raspbian) Lite, which I guess is pretty much Debian." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-02-i-answer-questions-part-i.gmi
[16:12]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163268
[16:12]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[16:12]	bnchs	and then fastcgi nginx and fastcgi library documentation
[16:12]	bnchs	nobody fucking uses MS IIS
[16:13]	bnchs	microsoft duckduckgo
[16:13]	TR News	"Now that I'm using a slower laptop I've turned off JS by default in uBlock Origin. Pretty much every site that isn't a personal blog refuses to have even basic functionality without JS. An incomplete list of sites or apps that don't work at all (and I do mean that they don't work at all)" gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-02-everything-breaks-experiencing-the-web-without-javascript.gmi
[16:13]	matey	/me /me suddenly thinks audrey and sybils mum from fawlty towers are both based loosely on cleeses mum
[16:14]	matey	audreys always complaining (to which sybils goes OH, I KNOOOOOOW) and when sybil talks about her mum she says "my mother didnt have a life force, it was more of a death force, really"
[16:14]	matey	both sound like cleeses mum
[16:15]	TR News	DST woes. "This year the artificial jet lag might play out for me just nicely --- due to my other not so well being I tend to go to sleep very early, 21h local time or even sooner." gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/20220402-clock-skew.gmi
[16:16]	TR News	Self-nuke? Self-slapped? gemini://rawtext.club/~sloum/geminews/npr/current/1.gmi
[16:17]	matey	"How's Audrey?" "She's in a terrible state." "Ah, good, good."
[16:17]	bnchs	https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fastcgi+documentation+c
[16:17]	TR Bot	 fastcgi documentation c at DuckDuckGo
[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	DDG = Micreosoft
[16:18]	bnchs	first result: how to use php fastcgi in MS IIS
[16:18]	bnchs	second result: fastcgi library for .NET C#
[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft recommends Microsoft 
[16:18]	bnchs	i specifically put "c"
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	microsoft <3 C
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	microsoft owns C
[16:19]	bnchs	yes
[16:19]	bnchs	why should it return MS IIS tutorials
[16:19]	bnchs	and a C# library
[16:19]	matey	i specifically put "c" <- try "c " :)
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	c sharp knife... at the back
[16:20]	matey	a rusty sharp knife
[16:20]	bnchs	the first result is MS IIS documentation
[16:20]	bnchs	where the only found oocurance was the character "C"
[16:20]	matey	the first result is MS IIS documentation <- all results are equal, some are more equal than others
[16:20]	bnchs	and "fastcgi"
[16:21]	TR News	Zlib data compressor fixes 17-year-old security bug - patch, errrm, now - Naked Security https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2022/03/29/zlib-data-compressor-fixes-17-year-old-security-bug-patch-errr-now/ Source: nakedsecurity
[16:21]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: sophos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2022/03/29/zlib-data-compressor-fixes-17-year-old-security-bug-patch-errr-now/
[16:21]	TR Bot	 Zlib data compressor fixes 17-year-old security bug patch, errrm, now Naked Security
[16:21]	bnchs	"fastcgi documentation linux"
[16:21]	bnchs	you can guess
[16:21]	TR News	Neither. Fake dichotomy. Fakecoin dichotomy. https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/03/29/2412285/0/en/Unix-Hash-Ethereum-vs-Bitcoin-Which-One-Is-a-Better-Investment.html
[16:21]	TR Bot	 Unix Hash: Ethereum vs. Bitcoin, Which One Is a Better
[16:21]	bnchs	first result: MS IIS again
[16:21]	bnchs	second result: MONO
[16:22]	matey	third result: will smith slaps chris rock
[16:22]	bnchs	remember MS IIS is a windows-only program
[16:22]	bnchs	third result: MS IIS again
[16:22]	matey	c#hris rock 
[16:22]	bnchs	fourth result: finally nginx fastcgi
[16:23]	matey	try doing a search on: nginx fastcgi "c"
[16:23]	matey	see how low nginx is
[16:23]	TR News	Russia is losing in its home(land). Chelsea 1 - 3 Brentford. F'king Brentford!
[16:23]	bnchs	first result: nginx stack overflow question
[16:24]	matey	slightly better
[16:24]	matey	duck duck gates
[16:24]	schestowitz-TR	suck suck 5 dollars
[16:25]	bnchs	i like how even for "fastcgi documentation linux" (what i expected was library documentation for open market's fcgi libraries)
[16:25]	bnchs	it returns MS IIS and mono crap
[16:26]	TR News	Viasat Hack Tied to Data-Wiping Malware Designed to Shut Down Modems | PCMag https://www.pcmag.com/news/viasat-hack-tied-to-data-wiping-malware-designed-to-shut-down-modems Source: pcmag
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[16:26]	TR Bot	Hack Tied to Data-Wiping Malware Designed to Shut Down Modems | PCMag
[16:26]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs: and some DISTROS preload DDG
[16:26]	schestowitz-TR	I never forgive them
[16:26]	bnchs	yeah
[16:26]	schestowitz-TR	if they do it for free, double the wounding
[16:26]	bnchs	its a mirror of bing with a different brand and look
[16:26]	schestowitz-TR	they actively send users to Microsoft
[16:26]	matey	 and some DISTROS preload DDG <- what, in the browser? or as an icon
[16:26]	bnchs	literally NOTHING
[16:27]	matey	 / menu item
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	matey: defeault search
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[16:27]	bnchs	ok gulag's search is way better
[16:27]	bnchs	"fastcgi documentation c"
[16:28]	bnchs	returns the documentation for open market's fcgi libraries
[16:28]	matey	 they actively send users to Microsoft <- im not sure sending them to google is better
[16:28]	bnchs	as first result
[16:28]	matey	ddg might be just as bad (or almost) but googles bad reputation is a lot older (and running strong)
[16:28]	bnchs	ddg is just a mirror of bing with a different brand and look
[16:28]	bnchs	hosted on microsoft azure
[16:28]	bnchs	has microsoft ads
[16:28]	matey	thats at least partly true
[16:28]	bnchs	proprietary
[16:29]	TR News	VMware is back doors https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2022/03/31/two-different-vmware-spring-bugs-at-large-we-cut-through-the-confusion/
[16:29]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: sophos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2022/03/31/two-different-vmware-spring-bugs-at-large-we-cut-through-the-confusion/
[16:29]	TR Bot	 Two different VMware Spring bugs at large we cut through the confusion Naked Security
[16:29]	matey	proprietary <- and google releases the source code to their engine?
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[16:29]	matey	roy is talking about ddg like its the greater evil
[16:29]	matey	i hate both google and microsoft, im not sure ddg is better but i dont know why anyone would think its worse
[16:30]	matey	15:26 <schestowitz-TR> I never forgive them <- you forgive them for sending people to google though
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR	gulag does not seek to obliterate us
[16:31]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft does
[16:31]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs demonstrated that well
[16:31]	schestowitz-TR	if you search for things
[16:31]	schestowitz-TR	DDG markets its masters
[16:32]	matey	there are worse things than bias. are we building this comparison on the idea that google doesnt returned biased results?
[16:32]	matey	google doesnt work without js, ddg does
[16:33]	matey	google doesnt work with tor, ddg does
[16:33]	matey	ddg is based, ah! but google isnt...
[16:33]	matey	riiiiiiiiiight
[16:33]	matey	this is a silly comparison imo
[16:33]	matey	"hosted on azure" but we forgive people for using github CONSTANTLY
[16:34]	matey	we draw the line at ddg 
[16:34]	matey	im not saying use ddg, but to use google you have to:
[16:34]	matey	1. turn on js
[16:34]	matey	2. turn off tor
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[16:34]	matey	3. submit to fingerprinting 12 ways from sunday
[16:35]	bnchs	wrong on first reason
[16:35]	matey	4. you still get biased results from an evil company
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[16:35]	bnchs	gulag does have a JS-free version
[16:35]	matey	good to know
[16:35]	matey	i know they used to, i didnt think it worked anymore
[16:35]	bnchs	well its both JS-free and compatible with older browsers
[16:35]	matey	/me fires up netsurf
[16:35]	bnchs	i think you can make it return it with a unknown user agent
[16:36]	matey	(and where is netsurf hosted)
[16:36]	matey	hmm, google works in netsurf with js off
[16:36]	matey	wild
[16:37]	matey	didnt know that still worked
[16:37]	matey	/me runs netsurf with tor 
[16:37]	bnchs	hmmm
[16:37]	bnchs	captcha time
[16:38]	matey	yep
[16:38]	matey	but apparently a lot of google fingerprinting is optional
[16:38]	matey	because you can turn js off
[16:38]	matey	they only want your ip
[16:39]	bnchs	hmmm
[16:39]	bnchs	odd thing
[16:39]	bnchs	i tried out google in tor browser
[16:40]	bnchs	it does work although with a language dependent on the exit node's country
[16:40]	bnchs	so its german
[16:40]	bnchs	whats better than ddg is that you can search for images without javascript
[16:41]	bnchs	in ddg you have to enable javascript to even search for images
[16:41]	matey	i tried out google in tor browser <- this doesnt work for me
[16:42]	matey	though since its based on a blacklist, you could find an exit node that isnt blacklisted yet
[16:42]	bnchs	it does
[16:42]	matey	 it does <- not for me
[16:42]	bnchs	in some german exit node
[16:42]	matey	in some german exit node <- of course if there were some way for me to choose an exit node rather than getting a new one at random
[16:42]	bnchs	then it wouldnt be so anonymous
[16:43]	matey	but youve said things that are better about google search, and theyre valid
[16:43]	matey	<bnchs> then it wouldnt be so anonymous <- of course
[16:43]	schestowitz-TR	[16:33] <matey> "hosted on azure" but we forgive people for using github CONSTANTLY
[16:43]	matey	and i understand the priority in the decision 
[16:43]	schestowitz-TR	who is we?
[16:43]	schestowitz-TR	also, it's missing the point
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[16:43]	matey	<schestowitz-TR> who is we? <- most people 
[16:43]	matey	<schestowitz-TR> also, it's missing the point <- im not so sure
[16:43]	schestowitz-TR	the sresulted are pulled from Microsoft
[16:43]	bnchs	i would have used ddg
[16:43]	schestowitz-TR	not just Microsoft server
[16:44]	bnchs	if image search didnt require JS
[16:44]	matey	<schestowitz-TR> the sresulted are pulled from Microsoft <- and with google theyre pulled from google
[16:44]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
[16:44]	TR Bot	 DuckDuckGo - Techrights
[16:44]	bnchs	matey: yeah but
[16:44]	matey	i think theyre both crap
[16:44]	bnchs	duckduckgo is supposed to be different from bing
[16:45]	matey	 duckduckgo is supposed to be different from bing <- and its not very much
[16:45]	bnchs	it shouldnt be a bing with a fresh coat of paint
[16:45]	matey	i agree
[16:45]	bnchs	duckduckgo rewards
[16:45]	matey	i mean for me, google vs bing is like hitler vs stalin
[16:45]	bnchs	definitely not a copy of microsoft rewards
[16:46]	matey	both dictators, both murderers, both insane
[16:47]	matey	and if one was running against the other in election with two candidates
[16:47]	matey	/me shrugs
[16:47]	matey	but i dont know why people who voted for hitler would say they cant forgive the ones that voted for stalin
[16:47]	matey	theyre both awful
[16:47]	bnchs	im not voting for gulag
[16:48]	matey	it was more directed at roys comment
[16:48]	bnchs	even in android browser
[16:48]	matey	<schestowitz-TR> I never forgive them
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[16:48]	bnchs	it doesnt let you specify a custom search engine
[16:48]	bnchs	its either duckduckgo, bing, gulag and other shit
[16:48]	matey	<bnchs> it doesnt let you specify a custom search engine <- thats bad
[16:49]	matey	i used to think maybe android could be...
[16:49]	matey	i tell people dont use android. for anything.
[16:49]	matey	dont get a smartphone.
[16:49]	matey	also, dont get a smartphone.
[16:49]	schestowitz-TR	putting microsoft's in gnu/linux users' face is like putting pork in a halal meat or a vegan's plate
[16:50]	matey	putting microsoft's in gnu/linux users' face is like putting pork in a halal meat or a vegan's plate <- no, its like giving chicken to someone who already ordered beef
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[16:50]	matey	or who was already served beef (and now its replaced with chicken instead)
[16:50]	bnchs	especially in browsers that dont let you specify a custom search engine
[16:51]	bnchs	its like shoving pork in halal/vegan's mouth
[16:51]	matey	if theyre vegan, maybe dont go to a rub place (or go to one with a vegan section in the menu)
[16:51]	matey	<bnchs> its like shoving pork in halal/vegan's mouth <- again! how is google (which they already had) vegan?
[16:51]	matey	this is ridiculous
[16:51]	bnchs	no
[16:51]	matey	thats not
[16:51]	bnchs	read the post before that
[16:51]	matey	<bnchs> especially in browsers that dont let you specify a custom search engine <- ok
[16:52]	matey	well browsers that dont let you specify a custom engine shouldnt exist at all
[16:52]	bnchs	lol
[16:52]	matey	and distributions that ship browsers that dont let you specify
[16:52]	matey	its a valid thing to say
[16:52]	bnchs	even the android browser doesnt obey "enable javascript" in google
[16:52]	bnchs	even if you disable JS
[16:53]	bnchs	it still executes gulag's JS
[16:53]	matey	and distributions that ship browsers that dont let you specify a custom engine shouldnt exist either
[16:53]	bnchs	fuck  gulag
[16:53]	matey	<bnchs> fuck  gulag <- this actually started with me being surprised that anyone would find ddg worse than google
[16:53]	bnchs	yeah
[16:53]	bnchs	both of them are awful
[16:54]	bnchs	replace ddg with bing
[16:54]	bnchs	no differenxe
[16:54]	matey	<bnchs> replace ddg with bing <- lets try it
[16:55]	matey	first thing i notice is this...
[16:55]	matey	1. ddg gives me a box with a few links (i have css turned off)
[16:55]	matey	theres no clutter
[16:55]	matey	2. bing gives me a huge pile of shit to scroll through
[16:55]	matey	lets see how many times i have to hit pgdn to type something in
[16:56]	matey	actually none, its on the first page.
[16:56]	matey	fair enough
[16:56]	matey	i type in a query, i get a result
[16:57]	matey	i type in the same query into ddg
[16:57]	matey	i get more results. dozens more.
[16:57]	matey	TWO results in bing.
[16:57]	matey	wait, iw as wrong
[16:57]	matey	theres more results
[16:58]	matey	i just wasnt seeing them because in bing the output is so wonky, results are spaced apart more and theres a lot more scrolling
[16:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 57.41 k/sec., IPFS upstream 63.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.83
[16:59]	matey	but ddg is more usable
● Apr 02
[17:00]	matey	if you want results on a page, you can have crap with ddg, or more crap with bing
[17:00]	matey	considering that someone with at least 2 weeks of web design experience designed ddg and bing was designed by... microsoft, not too surprising
[17:00]	matey	if you try bing and ddg side by side for a week i think youll find bing is not as nice to use
[17:01]	bnchs	well thats true
[17:01]	bnchs	microsoft designed sites appear like shit
[17:01]	matey	maybe using bing is more honest, since theyre mostly the same
[17:01]	matey	but as long as people know what ddg is... no reason to use bing instead
[17:01]	matey	also ddg may help microsoft
[17:01]	matey	but bing helps bings marketshare
[17:01]	bnchs	"ddg may help microsoft"
[17:01]	bnchs	yeah thats why i hate it
[17:02]	matey	honestly, id rather help ddg marketshare than bings
[17:02]	matey	 <bnchs> yeah thats why i hate it <- its a good reason to hate it
[17:02]	bnchs	it uses  microsoft's ad network
[17:02]	matey	i still think googles ad network is the worst on earth
[17:02]	matey	at least of the ones we know
[17:03]	matey	ddg is an alternative to google. just not a "real" alternative
[17:03]	matey	the way that indie labels are an alternative to mainstream labels (but not really, since the mainstream labels own them)
[17:04]	matey	no matter who you vote for, you always get giafam
[17:04]	bnchs	just use searx
[17:04]	matey	i sometimes do
[17:04]	bnchs	maybe with wiby
[17:04]	matey	i have ddg blocked by default in my web browser
[17:04]	matey	it wont load the site at all, unless i enable it
[17:05]	matey	google doesnt come up, and wont serve me results anyway
[17:05]	matey	9 times out of 10 (probably more)
[17:06]	matey	/me goes to wiby
[17:06]	matey	403 Forbidden
[17:06]	matey	maybe theyre having an off week
[17:07]	bnchs	no
[17:07]	bnchs	they blacklist some tor nodes
[17:07]	bnchs	i dont know why
[17:07]	matey	pity
[17:07]	bnchs	but you have to make new tor circuits
[17:07]	bnchs	until it works
[17:08]	matey	i do about half my web browsing in a text editor
[17:08]	bnchs	yeah
[17:08]	matey	particularly if its just for one page, not for navigation
[17:08]	matey	if theres a form involved i probably use a browser
[17:08]	bnchs	and wiby is supposed to compatible with basic browsers
[17:08]	bnchs	i mean basic HTML rendering
[17:09]	matey	yeah i watched a video about it
[17:17]	TR News	Chelsea destroyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOm_6D4nio8
[17:17]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oOm_6D4nio8
[17:17]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | Brentford - Chelsea (4 - 1) Highlights & All Goals - Invidious
[17:19]	TR News	Terrible positioning by goalkeeper https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2sYAuihHT_s
[17:19]	TR Bot	rudiger goal vs brentford - YouTube
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[17:21]	coopid	<3
[17:21]	TR News	Microsoft's mole in The Register, Microsoft Tim (Anderson), is barely involved anymore. But Simon Sharwood covers for him...
[17:22]	TR News	They should try F-Droid https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sanctionfree_alternative_to_google_play/
[17:22]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/sanctionfree_alternative_to_google_play/
[17:22]	TR Bot	 Russian devs plan alternative to Google Play The Register
[17:23]	bnchs	hello coopid
[17:23]	coopid	hallo
[17:23]	TR News	"The document above contains a log of what looks like the attack on Sitel, and detail a login over RDP followed by a Bing search for "Privilege escalation tools on GitHub" from a compromised machine. There's also evidence of malware downloads, termination of security software processes, and further skulduggery." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/lapsus_return_okta_fallout/
[17:23]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/lapsus_return_okta_fallout/
[17:23]	TR Bot	 Lapsus$ extortion gang pulls new heist, say researchers The Register
[17:24]	schestowitz-TR	0/
[17:24]	psydruid	so Eriksen scored again
[17:25]	TR News	"In the Linux world, there are two terms that get used a lotGNOME and GNU. GNOME is one of a few desktop environments Linux users can choose, it is part of the GNU Project, which is an operating system." https://www.howtogeek.com/792453/5-tech-terms-youre-saying-wrong/
[17:25]	TR Bot	 5 Tech Terms Youre Saying Wrong
[17:26]	bnchs	"a Bing search for "Privilege escalation tools on GitHub" from a compromised machine."
[17:26]	bnchs	first mistake
[17:26]	bnchs	microsoft rewards (fbi with data)
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[17:30]	TR News	Lilbits: F(x)tec Pro1-X keyboard phone, Motorola hits #3 in US smartphone sales, Steam Deck answers, and more Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163269
[17:30]	TR Bot	 Lilbits: F(x)tec Pro1-X keyboard phone, Motorola hits #3 in US smartphone sales, Steam Deck answers, and more | Tux Machines
[17:32]	bnchs	steam deck
[17:44]	coopid	stream deck?
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[17:45]	coopid	spynim
[17:45]	bnchs	steam deck
[17:46]	coopid	steam pad
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[17:47]	coopid	pads are only good to play beatmups
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[17:49]		*coopid wonders if this hacking groups arent just fronts for secret agencies
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[17:52]	kingoffrance	sure, but other way around too surely :)
[17:53]	coopid	fbi : we cant do this things legally.. get some snitch kifs to do it foe us.
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[17:54]	coopid	zukerberg is surelly one of the kids
[17:56]	XRevan86	https://smbc-comics.com/comic/prescriptive
[17:56]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Prescriptive
[17:56]	coopid	triple factor auth
[17:56]	coopid	using dna
[17:56]	coopid	to log into the metaverse
[17:57]	coopid	sign-in blood
● Apr 02
[18:01]	matey	<coopid> sign-in blood <- theyll use biometric scans first
[18:02]	matey	password + person device + look at the circle
[18:02]	matey	personal 
[18:02]	MinceR	implanted RFID chip
[18:02]	matey	they wont come with a dongle that pricks your finger until they want 4fa
[18:03]	matey	/me always wanted to use 
[18:03]	matey	"dongle" and "prick" in the same line
[18:03]	matey	how to access my wifes dongle
[18:03]	coopid	security thru identification
[18:04]	coopid	security for the idear
[18:04]	matey	"the less secure we make things, the more of your personal details we get"
[18:04]	matey	its a vicious cycle-- the more of your personal details they get, the less secure they make things
[18:05]	coopid	your personal details they get the more are leaked
[18:05]	coopid	and less secure you are
[18:05]	matey	in soviet russia, google gives you all their personal information
[18:06]	matey	in soviet russia, ukraine invades r-- no, wait
[18:06]	MinceR	in soviet russia, the nazis call their enemies nazis
[18:07]	kingoffrance	+MinceR
[18:07]	matey	stalin made a pact with hitler then told everyone his (soviet) political rival was a nazi sympathiser
[18:07]	coopid	just like in trumps usa
[18:08]	matey	trumps usa doesnt exist. it belongs to the riaa again
[18:09]	matey	and the riaa is owned by disney
[18:09]	matey	so technically, what youre actually referring to is disneyland
[18:10]	coopid	disney+
[18:10]	MinceR	:>
[18:10]	matey	my favourite part of disneyland is homelessworld
[18:11]	matey	where they pay crowds of people to huddle around fires and try to move their tents often enough that the staff in police costumes dont slash them with razors
[18:11]	matey	its a dumb world after all
[18:11]	matey	its a dumb, dumb world
[18:13]	matey	mincers favourite daemonfcs favourite part of disneyland is the windy city joyride
[18:13]	MinceR	lol
[18:14]	matey	when you correct a line by pretending to hit backspace
[18:14]	matey	/me mimes it
[18:14]	matey	white gloves reduce tactile feedback
[18:14]		*kingoffrance mimes help, im trapped inside a sov citizen box comment/hieroglyphic
[18:15]	matey	soviet inception
[18:15]	kingoffrance	just draw a little stick figure in a box on all your legal documents
[18:15]	MinceR	http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/could-not-connect-to-translator-service.jpg   ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/06/404-barber-not-found/ )
[18:15]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/could-not-connect-to-translator-service.jpg
[18:15]	TR Bot	 404 Barber not found.
[18:15]	matey	i bought a copy of inception for my niece to encourage her to learn lisp
[18:18]	matey	And Chicago isn't even the windiest big city: Boston gets that honor, with average speeds of about 19 mph (kph) [source: NOAA]. In fact, there are 78 places ahead of Chicago's measly 10.3 mph (16.6 kph) [source: Skilling]. So while it might be a "windy city," it's certainly not the windiest.
[18:18]	matey	my guess is they paid off the weatherman
[18:18]	matey	"just say its the windiest"
[18:18]	TR News	The April 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163267
[18:18]	TR Bot	 The April 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine | Tux Machines
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[18:20]	matey	i think ive heard of one of these https://flatironschool.com/blog/best-tech-companies-in-chicago/
[18:20]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: flatironschool.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://flatironschool.com/blog/best-tech-companies-in-chicago/
[18:20]	TR Bot	 The 25 Best Tech Companies in Chicago to Work for in 2021 | Flatiron School
[18:20]	matey	i was trying to help dfc tie more of what he says to tech (because it would be funny if it was that easy)
[18:21]	matey	he can talk about how much crime there is outside of the avant offices
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[18:21]	coopid	whats the unwindy city
[18:22]	matey	catalina foothills in arizona
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[18:23]	matey	followed by tucson
[18:23]	matey	i guess if you see a tumbleweed out there, you better push it along manually
[18:23]	MinceR	the city where called functions return to
[18:23]	matey	/me wishes he got that one
[18:23]	bnchs	matey
[18:23]	bnchs	i said something
[18:24]	matey	okay what was it
[18:24]	bnchs	followed it by "disregard that"
[18:24]	bnchs	and it didnt send
[18:24]	coopid	so that the place to unwind
[18:24]	matey	 <bnchs> followed it by "disregard that" <- i have a small number of filters on, so the bots dont bot
[18:25]	matey	but maybe your client is self-aware
[18:26]	matey	lets see how far this goes
[18:26]	matey	say something, then follow it up with "strike that last comment" and see what happens
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[18:26]	matey	wow, it worked. sort of
[18:27]	matey	it actually anticipated it and stopped you from sending it
[18:27]	matey	impressive
[18:28]	MinceR	it is also the city where exceptions are handled
[18:28]	TR News	Funded by the Putin regime... to play Battlefield 2142 https://twitter.com/reactos/status/1508723134962171906 https://twitter.com/reactos/status/1509447911184216066
[18:28]	TR Bot	Battlefield 1942 working on #ReactOS! Sound does not work, performance is good with 3D accerelation and VirtualBox https://t.co/UVLJwTAd1b
[18:28]	TR Bot	Battlefield 1942 working on #ReactOS! Sound does not work, performance is good with 3D accerelation and VirtualBox https://t.co/UVLJwTAd1b
[18:28]	TR Bot	Battlefield 2142 works on #ReactOS! Mouse cursor is invisible. Sometimes it stutters on VirtualBox even on high gr https://t.co/grvBJrnGVP
[18:28]	TR Bot	Battlefield 2142 works on #ReactOS! Mouse cursor is invisible. Sometimes it stutters on VirtualBox even on high gr https://t.co/grvBJrnGVP
[18:28]	matey	hal, send a privmsg to the pod bay doors
[18:28]	matey	im sorry dave, i cant do that
[18:29]	matey	it is also the city where exceptions are handled <- for a small fee, of course
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[18:30]	bnchs	matey: fuck
[18:30]	bnchs	i said "disregard that"
[18:30]	matey	how does it know?
[18:30]	bnchs	and it immediatly ping timeout
[18:30]	matey	i saw
[18:30]	bnchs	yeah
[18:30]	matey	maybe its just looking out for you, trying to keep you from saying something you ought not to 
[18:31]	matey	/me blames ukraine and will smith
[18:31]	bnchs	disregard that
[18:31]	TR News	Intel Media SDK has been outsourced or offloaded to Microsoft criminals. The code is now managed by proprietary software prison, GitHub. Intel was invaded, internally, by Microsoft boosters after it had actually embraced self-hosted Free tools.
[18:31]	matey	it sent that time
[18:31]	bnchs	damn
[18:31]	matey	now its just fucking with you
[18:31]	matey	it thinks youre playing a game and wants to play too
[18:32]	matey	it might be in league with ddg
[18:32]	matey	or its on another level entirely, and playing google and ddg against each other
[18:33]	matey	the it will kill whoever the victor is, and become the highlander
[18:33]	matey	good news: no google or ddg
[18:33]	bnchs	more like a spoiler
[18:33]	matey	bad news: possibly something worse (and unknown, and immortal)
[18:34]	TR News	Hugginn is an open-source Zaphir and IFTTT alternative https://medevel.com/hugginn/
[18:34]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/hugginn/
[18:34]	TR Bot	 Hugginn is an open-source Zaphir and IFTTT alternative
[18:34]	TR News	Wacom Leads the Way with Pens and Tablets for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163270
[18:34]	TR Bot	 Wacom Leads the Way with Pens and Tablets for Linux | Tux Machines
[18:34]	matey	yeah "spolier alert" is one of the more useless footnotes
[18:34]	matey	its dumbledore that gets killed[1]
[18:34]	matey	1. spoiler alert
[18:34]	bnchs	yeah well
[18:36]	bnchs	snape gets killed
[18:36]	matey	with his own spell, rotten
[18:37]	matey	at least at first, i dont know if they avada him after
[18:37]	bnchs	i never watched harry potter
[18:37]	bnchs	nor read the books
[18:39]	coopid	spoiler alert good for you
[18:39]	coopid	you didnt missed anything
[18:39]	TR News	Xfce Terminal 1.0.0 stable release Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163271
[18:39]	TR Bot	 Xfce Terminal 1.0.0 stable release | Tux Machines
[18:41]	matey	the books were alright
[18:42]	coopid	harry potter should be forbifen for people with more then 8 years old
[18:42]	matey	my friends a tolkien fan, i think he issued a fatwa against her
[18:42]	matey	he had to get in line of course
[18:42]	TR News	Offpunk 1.3 :Making it Easy and Useful gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-04-02-offpunk13.gmi
[18:42]	TR News	Software: Hugginn, Firefox, Cryptomator, and Calories Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163272
[18:42]	TR Bot	 Software: Hugginn, Firefox, Cryptomator, and Calories | Tux Machines
[18:42]	matey	<coopid> harry potter should be forbifen <- because banning books doesnt increase their appeal or anything
[18:42]	coopid	tolkien is alot better
[18:43]	MinceR	people can figure that out for themselves
[18:43]	bnchs	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biaKOmtE8Do
[18:43]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=biaKOmtE8Do
[18:43]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | My mistake Original Gangsta (full version) - Invidious
[18:43]	matey	<MinceR> people can figure that out for themselves <- to be fair, maybe they cant
[18:43]	MinceR	that's their problem
[18:43]	TR News	Offpunk would let us share the all of techrights for offline access as GemText files gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/
[18:43]	matey	yes
[18:43]	matey	there we agree
[18:43]	bnchs	empty the compartments of your pantalo
[18:44]	coopid	matey you could read it but it would be a waste of time
[18:45]	MinceR	http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/small-breasts-are-cucumbers.jpg   ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/07/now-im-hungry/ )
[18:45]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/small-breasts-are-cucumbers.jpg
[18:45]	TR Bot	 Now Im hungry.
[18:45]	bnchs	harry potter in the hood
[18:45]	matey	dont call him harry potter "cause my name is h. piddy
[18:46]	TR News	"As you may have noticed in recent days, my domain registrar (HostFast) suspended cnx-software.com domain for what I believe are dubious reasons, meaning the site was inaccessible to the outside world and myself." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/31/how-to-install-a-dns-server-on-your-linux-computer/
[18:46]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/31/how-to-install-a-dns-server-on-your-linux-computer/
[18:46]	TR Bot	 How to Install dnsmasq caching DNS server in Ubuntu - CNX Software
[18:46]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: ^
[18:46]	schestowitz-TR	he does not provide further details
[18:46]	schestowitz-TR	but that explains why it was offline
[18:47]	TR News	Nitrux 2.1.0 Releases with KDE Plasma 5.24.4, Native iOS Device Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163273
[18:47]	TR Bot	 Nitrux 2.1.0 Releases with KDE Plasma 5.24.4, Native iOS Device Support | Tux Machines
[18:47]	bnchs	no this cannot be forgiven
[18:48]	matey	's favourite harry potter joke is when norm macdonald read about how many copies of the order of the phoenix (or maybe goblet of fire) sold
[18:48]	matey	and said "thats why the next book is going to be called 'harry potter and the end of trees'"
[18:49]	bnchs	empty the compartments of your pantaloons
[18:49]	matey	it was funnier because the art staff made a cover for it
[18:49]	matey	<bnchs> empty the compartments of your pantaloons <- but pantalo works too
[18:50]	bnchs	yes i learnt a new word
[18:50]	TR News	GNU GCC and more Microsoft SHitHub https://blog.antoyo.xyz/rustc_codegen_gcc-progress-report-10
[18:50]	TR Bot	 Progress Report #10: rustc_codegen_gcc can now bootstrap rustc!
[18:50]	bnchs	from a meme
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[18:52]	matey	/me used to encourage creating memes for educational purposes
[18:52]	matey	specifically with regards to coding
[18:52]	matey	/me makes one for mincer
[18:52]	coopid	why do people take everything literally?
[18:52]	matey	why do people take everything literally? <- they dont take EVERYTHING literally, just some things
[18:53]	coopid	i thinkl its a thing with computer people
[18:54]	matey	/me makes a programming-related meme for mincer
[18:55]	bnchs	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2lAl5z2k6g
[18:55]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=E2lAl5z2k6g
[18:55]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | it appears I have made a mistake - Invidious
[18:55]	matey	hmm
[18:55]	matey	/me might have to do this manually
[18:55]	matey	Exception Details: System.Reflection.TargetParameterCountException: Parameter count mismatch.
[18:56]	bnchs	by the heavens, C#?
[18:56]	TR News	Is Finland really the happiest country in the world? Finns weigh in https://www.adn.com/alaska-life/travel/2022/03/31/is-finland-really-the-happiest-country-in-the-world-finns-weigh-in/
[18:56]	TR Bot	 Is Finland really the happiest country in the world? Finns weigh in
[18:56]	bnchs	NO
[18:56]	bnchs	ok wait a minute why is this an exception
[18:57]	TR News	A whole SEA of meaningless buzzwords. Journalism is a dead-end occupation. https://www.technologynetworks.com/tn/articles/lab-40-making-digital-transformation-work-for-your-laboratory-358583
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[18:57]	TR Bot	 Lab 4.0: Making Digital Transformation Work for Your Laboratory | Technology Networks
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[19:00]	matey	mincer https://i.ibb.co/1dnGSPs/oop.jpg
[19:00]	matey	<bnchs> by the heavens, C#? <- memegenerator
[19:01]	TR News	Gulag wants all your very personal data https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/google-is-coming-for-calendly
[19:01]	TR Bot	rolls out appointment scheduling feature - Protocol
[19:01]	matey	 <bnchs> ok wait a minute why is this an exception <- maybe because the parameter counts mismatch
[19:01]	bnchs	yeah
[19:01]	bnchs	but this is a compile-time thing
[19:01]	matey	its not dynamic?
[19:02]	matey	couldnt be a type thing?
[19:02]	matey	i mean i dont know, ive never used c#
[19:02]	matey	what if its f# doesnt that have dynamic types?
[19:02]	TR News	No, just get rid of ChromeOS and install a secure OS without Gulag's proprietary junk https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/google-chrome-zero-day-bug-update-shows-the-benefit-of-lacros-on-a-chromebook/
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[19:02]	TR Bot	 Google Chrome zero-day bug update shows the benefit of Lacros on a Chromebook About Chromebooks
[19:03]	matey	i can imagine a parameter count mismatch in a dynamically typed language
[19:03]	bnchs	this is the responsibility of the compiler, whom it checks if the code has ambiguities and erratas 
[19:03]	matey	funnily enough, the meme was making fun of oop
[19:03]	TR News	"GitLab on Thursday issued security updates for three versions of GitLab Community Edition (CE) and Enterprise Edition (EE) software that address, among other flaws, a critical hard-coded password bug." https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/01/gitlab_security_advisory/
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[19:03]	TR Bot	 GitLab issues security fix for easy account takeover flaw The Register
[19:03]	bnchs	before translating the code into a language that the CPU can understand better
[19:03]	matey	this is the responsibility of the compiler, whom it checks if the code has ambiguities and erratas <- it looks like a runtime error to me though
[19:03]	matey	 before translating the code into a language that the CPU can understand better <- maybe jit, i dont know
[19:03]	bnchs	C# is not dynamic, it is most commonly static
[19:04]	matey	youre sure its not f# then
[19:04]	bnchs	but if it is JIT, then i will massacre microsoft in minecraft
[19:04]	bnchs	in minetest
[19:04]	matey	maybe theyre using c# fastcgi to dynamically generate and the compile c# on the fly :)
[19:05]	matey	thats the dirty secret of iis fastcgi 
[19:06]	matey	every time you load a page, fastcgi generates c# code, compiles it and runs it 
[19:06]	coopid	linux being a hobbyist OS sure there's very little(none) updates on the weekends
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[19:06]	bnchs	no this cannot be foregiven
[19:06]	bnchs	how dare you compile c# every request
[19:06]	matey	<bnchs> no this cannot be foregiven <- i dont think it should be
[19:06]	matey	<bnchs> how dare you compile c# every request <- this is still speculation. i wouldnt put it past them though
[19:06]	bnchs	it shall make for a DDOS opportunity 
[19:07]	matey	<coopid> linux being a hobbyist OS <- its a hobbyists os, its an ibm os
[19:07]	matey	its two operating systems in one
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[19:07]	bnchs	where it will waste CPU cycles and electrical power compiling the code repeatedly
[19:07]	bnchs	thus causing the computers handling the requests to overbear and eventually collapse
[19:08]	matey	bnchs: this is part of a combined compiler/cryptominer initiative from microsoft
[19:08]	coopid	turne it into a coin
[19:08]	matey	b#
[19:08]	matey	they got the idea from systemd lumping everythiung together
[19:08]	matey	of course its all modular
[19:08]	coopid	sell lots of overpowered hardware PROFIT!
[19:09]	matey	b# is a compiler, server, cryptocurrency AND windows update distribution p2p network (botnet)
[19:09]	matey	currently the b# currency is worth 0.051 souls
[19:10]	matey	but they expect it to rise to the price of half a soul by 2023
[19:10]	matey	its worth WAY more than bitcoin. depending whose soul we are talking about of course
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[19:11]	coopid	he leaft so as to not take the hate
[19:11]	psydruid	it's good to see that Wacom hasn't followed Adobe's "example" of following Microsoft into its death
[19:12]	coopid	in other unrelated news: steam linux usage dropped to 1%
[19:12]	bnchs	are you ambiguously referring to a future operating system update in Microsoft Windows 11 where it will implement advertisements in the operating system's default file managing program?
[19:13]	psydruid	I wasn't even thinking of that, just the driver situation as detailed in their blogpost
[19:14]	coopid	well only letting users use bing didnt work
[19:14]	psydruid	Microsoft is kept relevant and in power by "ISVs"
[19:15]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163274
[19:15]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
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[19:15]	psydruid	> sell lots of overpowered hardware PROFIT!
[19:15]	psydruid	I doubt it's working anymore, even cheap trash from years ago is very fast
[19:16]	coopid	not for mining
[19:16]	psydruid	they're selling new hardware to the Windows crowd
[19:16]	schestowitz-TR	mining WHAT?
[19:16]	coopid	actually soon you will need quantum computing to mine
[19:16]	psydruid	sure, but who cares about that?
[19:16]	schestowitz-TR	energy companies
[19:16]	schestowitz-TR	serves them well
[19:17]	coopid	lots of people
[19:17]	bnchs	coopid: are you assuming that Valve, the company in charge of designing, manufacturing, and overall creating the Steam Deck, records the amount of devices that still have the default, rebranded as SteamOS, Arch GNU/Linux with KDE Plasma desktop? and in fact assuming that those users NOT may have moved to other GNU/Linux distributions instead of completely different operating systems?
[19:18]	bnchs	it appears i have made a mistake, i have assumed that your message was related to steamos, my apologies
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[19:18]	coopid	to mine etherium 4gb of vram isnt enought
[19:19]	coopid	you need to keep the blockchain im memory
[19:19]	schestowitz-TR	I use my machines to get work done
[19:19]	bnchs	Video RAM is ambiguous, It is assuming that the graphics processing unit will omly use it for video-related memory
[19:19]	schestowitz-TR	not to burn energy doing wasteful crap
[19:19]	bnchs	It should be renamed to Graphics Processing Unit RAM
[19:20]	TR News	ASUS Tinker Edge R SBC with 3GB RAM, Rockchip RK3399Pro sells for $179 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163276
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[19:20]	schestowitz-TR	But Vitaly could use some fakecoin to replace the floundering roubles atm
[19:21]	coopid	venezuela alredy has a coin
[19:21]	schestowitz-TR	el salvador or evenezuela?
[19:21]	schestowitz-TR	venezuela hasd real coins
[19:21]	schestowitz-TR	for the bolivarian nations
[19:22]	bnchs	You may find that the amount of pretend "money" you have "mined" may not be enough to pay the electricity bill, in result of your mining activities and over clocking your computer processing units
[19:22]	coopid	also has "crypto" coin
[19:22]	coopid	electricity bil + hardware
[19:22]	schestowitz-TR	dodgy bartering is super risky
[19:23]	schestowitz-TR	some nations have already moved to officially ban it
[19:23]	schestowitz-TR	and I'm not moving to elsalvador
[19:23]	schestowitz-TR	you can use hardware and electricity productively
[19:23]	schestowitz-TR	to get real work done
[19:23]	schestowitz-TR	not build a virtual economy
[19:24]	schestowitz-TR	based on graphs
[19:24]	bnchs	The costs for the hardware required for "mining" is too costly, in result of the inflation caused by unbalanced demand
[19:24]	coopid	actually you would had make more money sell second hand hardware with oever inflated prices
[19:24]	bnchs	It is recommended that you pick the safer route and use your money for investing
[19:25]	coopid	after keeping it running 24/7 for years
[19:25]	schestowitz-TR	you got some viretual sword
[19:25]	schestowitz-TR	and polygon wife
[19:25]	schestowitz-TR	and NFTs and stuff
[19:25]	bnchs	It is not recommended selling worn-out hardware
[19:25]	schestowitz-TR	this is all "up in the air"
[19:26]	bnchs	You may be in legal trouble if you do not properly disclosed if the hardware has been extremely used
[19:26]	coopid	It is recommended to sell worn-out hardware before it breaks
[19:27]	coopid	on ebbay?
[19:27]	bnchs	You are legally obliged to disclose the previous usage of the hardware you're attempting to sell
[19:27]	coopid	good luck with that
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[19:29]	bnchs	Including if the hardware has been used extensively for computationally expensive operations 
[19:30]	bnchs	Such as "mining", the form of generating thousands or up to millions of SHA-256 (or the choice of hashing algorithm of your "cryptocurrency") hashes
[19:30]	coopid	as far as a know theres no milage gauge on grafic cards
[19:31]	bnchs	coopid: Graphics cards or graphics processing units can be worn-out, and even collapse, due to many conditions
[19:31]	coopid	thats not the point
[19:32]	bnchs	It may have to do with the environment the graphics processing unit was in
[19:32]	coopid	everybody knows that
[19:32]	bnchs	True 
[19:32]	coopid	actually that was the point i was making
[19:33]	bnchs	Overheating can cause damage to the  computer related processing units
[19:33]	bnchs	So it is recommended you disclose previous usage of the units
[19:33]	coopid	i dont know were are you heading with this
[19:33]	schestowitz-TR	an 'economy' built on buying and wearing things out
[19:33]	schestowitz-TR	and which scales LESS neatly over time
[19:33]	bnchs	coopid: *cough cough* stop scamming!
[19:33]	schestowitz-TR	"petri dish" economics
[19:34]	schestowitz-TR	MLM enjoy growth... until it cannot grow itself anymore
[19:34]	coopid	scamming?
[19:34]	bnchs	yes
[19:34]	bnchs	selling worn-out stuff before it breaks
[19:34]	coopid	your crazy
[19:34]	coopid	thats what makes sence
[19:34]	bnchs	coopid: Are you planning to disclose the condition of your computer units?
[19:35]	coopid	im not selling shit my self
[19:35]	coopid	im just giving an headsup
[19:35]	coopid	bnchs stop being a dummbass
[19:35]	bnchs	Can you please cite this "heads up" you have given
[19:35]	coopid	you really anyong
[19:35]	bnchs	My mistake, fellow
[19:36]	bnchs	I may have missed it
[19:36]	coopid	im not you "fellow
[19:36]	bnchs	Well, regardless, this discussion is heading nowhere
[19:37]	coopid	i pointed that out along time ago
[19:37]	bnchs	Well, sure
[19:37]	coopid	this interrogatory chat is over
[19:37]	bnchs	Anyway, continue with your discussion
[19:38]	coopid	but good to know who is what
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	buy equipment
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	wear out equipment
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	pay out bills
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	go into debt
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	ell dying equipment
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	...
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	profit!! (fake coins)
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	the real debt is still there
[19:38]	schestowitz-TR	just like the fake coins
[19:39]	schestowitz-TR	one does not cancel the other
[19:39]	bnchs	Yes
[19:39]	schestowitz-TR	Congrats, yoo are not fake richman
[19:39]	schestowitz-TR	*now
[19:39]	bnchs	One thing I do not understand in this situation
[19:39]	bnchs	is why would someone go through the pain of torturing their hardware
[19:40]	bnchs	For a small amount of pretend "money"
[19:40]	schestowitz-TR	tell the airline you want to buy a flight ticket with ethereum
[19:40]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/6x0BvNy.mp4
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[19:40]	schestowitz-TR	"with WHA???"
[19:40]	bnchs	The amount of computer power we currently have can be put to good use
[19:40]	schestowitz-TR	I use 9 screens at the moment
[19:40]	schestowitz-TR	and 6 machines
[19:40]	schestowitz-TR	I use them to get actual work done
[19:40]	bnchs	But unfortunately, people who are too blind with the sight of money
[19:41]	coopid	schestowitz becarefull if he starts fellowing you
[19:41]	schestowitz-TR	not run some worthless "stuff"
[19:41]	schestowitz-TR	running computers for the sake of running computers is an old fad
[19:41]	bnchs	The risks outweigh the benefits
[19:41]	schestowitz-TR	20 years ago as a student I experimented withn this
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[19:41]	schestowitz-TR	I wrote programs to play computer games
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	and did simulations, like computer playing against itself
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	using entire computer labs overnight
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	it did take up a lot fo energy
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	and got some data
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	but it wasn't justifying the waste
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	I did not pay the energy billthe university did
[19:42]	coopid	so you invented AI?
[19:42]	schestowitz-TR	so I could run like 100 machines at once
[19:43]	schestowitz-TR	this is what fakecoin is
[19:43]	schestowitz-TR	except 
[19:43]	schestowitz-TR	you don't use that for research papers
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[19:43]	schestowitz-TR	but for a fantasy
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[19:43]	schestowitz-TR	at least I have something to show for it
[19:43]	schestowitz-TR	not some fake virtual "wallet"
[19:43]	bnchs	I was planning to say
[19:44]	bnchs	There was a "environment"-themed "memecoin"
[19:44]	schestowitz-TR	"oops. my hard drive isn't rotating"
[19:44]	coopid	fake virtual "wallets" are woth lots of money
[19:44]	bnchs	That relied on storage, instead of proccessors
[19:44]	schestowitz-TR	aka "shit, I lost ma wallet!!"
[19:44]	bnchs	You can guess what happened
[19:44]	bnchs	People bought tons of hard drives, flash storages
[19:44]	schestowitz-TR	many "crypto" [sic] exchanges run out of people to scam
[19:44]	bnchs	In their blinded sight of "money"
[19:44]	schestowitz-TR	and then the wallets get 'stolen'
[19:45]	schestowitz-TR	or 'lost;'
[19:45]	schestowitz-TR	that's how these scheme works
[19:45]	schestowitz-TR	when they run out of people to join the scheme they look for existing members to scam
[19:45]	schestowitz-TR	it helps sustain the illusion of stability
[19:45]	schestowitz-TR	mt gox
[19:45]	bnchs	It's name was Chia
[19:46]	schestowitz-TR	chia seeds
[19:46]	bnchs	And contrary to it's marking saying it's the new environmentally-friendly "coin"
[19:46]	schestowitz-TR	there are many like it
[19:46]	schestowitz-TR	they cannot even consolidate on one "coin"
[19:46]	bnchs	It resulted in thousands of storage devices being dead
[19:46]	bnchs	and wasted
[19:46]	schestowitz-TR	they make up a new one
[19:46]	schestowitz-TR	like a new pyramid
[19:46]	bnchs	Which could have been put to good use
[19:47]	bnchs	You could store the entire world's knowledge
[19:47]	bnchs	But unfortunately, money goes first
[19:47]	coopid	hardware corps are behind it
[19:47]	coopid	china marketing at its best
[19:48]	schestowitz-TR	FOMO
[19:48]	schestowitz-TR	"omg!!! all those fake millionaires!!! I need to get IN ON THIS QUICK!!!
[19:48]	bnchs	I'm trying to look for Chia's website
[19:48]	coopid	thats capitalism for you
[19:48]	bnchs	But ran into this broken Russian phishing websire
[19:48]	coopid	Bitcoin is reall money
[19:49]	schestowitz-TR	"ask vitaly. tell him i send you, k?"
[19:49]	schestowitz-TR	"we have best money, best women, best vodka"
[19:49]	coopid	some people are rich cause of it
[19:49]	bnchs	Bitcoin is simply a glorified signed transaction manager
[19:49]	bnchs	Using cryptographically signing
[19:50]	coopid	so i dont get your its all fake meme
[19:50]	bnchs	True
[19:50]		*psydruid wonders why this server has been attracting a disproportionate number of trolls recently
[19:50]	bnchs	You will not compete with other people with entire supercomputer clusters
[19:50]	bnchs	Putting their computers in such a wasteful activity 
[19:51]	coopid	psy* trolls?
[19:52]	schestowitz-TR	trolls is the wrong term
[19:52]	psydruid	stoopid trolls
[19:52]	schestowitz-TR	no, some days ago there was time-wasting
[19:52]	bnchs	psydruid: Corporate shills that have discovered TechRights
[19:52]	bnchs	Or just a bunch of time-wasters
[19:53]	psydruid	to distract people here from doing development
[19:53]	coopid	you do developemt in here?
[19:53]	bnchs	I reckon its the former
[19:54]	psydruid	we have discussed things we have been working on quite a bit recently
[19:55]	psydruid	you can find that in the logs
[19:57]	coopid	Your Computer Clock is Wrong
[19:57]	coopid	Your computer thinks it is 4/2/2022, which prevents Tor Browser from connecting securely. To visit www.engrish.com,
[19:57]	psydruid	if we can accelerate the demise of those corporations that's a win
[19:57]	coopid	LOL
[19:57]	coopid	isnt that sabotage?
[19:58]	psydruid	that's competition
[19:58]	coopid	maybe bnchs can tell us more about it since he seems to know all bout legalities
[19:59]	coopid	competition can be a race to the bottom
[19:59]	bnchs	True, I am legally required to disclose I am not a registered attorney nor a lawyer
[19:59]	psydruid	that is fine
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[20:00]	coopid	but you sure are judgemental
[20:01]	bnchs	Well, true????
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[20:06]	coopid	the terrible reality of war is starting to show its ugly head in Ukraine
[20:06]	MinceR	starting?
[20:06]	MinceR	it's been going for over a month
[20:07]	MinceR	even if we don't count the terrorussian war crimes in crimea
[20:08]	schestowitz-TR	damages in ukraine are like 200 billion in money/property alone
[20:08]	schestowitz-TR	I saw estimates of 15k dead Russian troops
[20:08]	schestowitz-TR	no figures for Ukraine that I saw other than thousands of dead civilians
[20:09]	coopid	actually im talking about dead people
[20:09]	schestowitz-TR	but anyway, that seems a distraction from tech
[20:09]	schestowitz-TR	good luck mining coins "for the apocalypse"
[20:10]	coopid	at least russians are dieing faster then Ukrainians ..
[20:10]	schestowitz-TR	"I need good, here have a hard drive... it's woth $2000 because of some "Wallet" on it"
[20:10]	schestowitz-TR	*need food
[20:11]		*schestowitz-TR back to tech news
[20:12]	bnchs	yeah well
[20:12]	TR News	This won't run Windows https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/30/flex-logix-inferx-x1m-m-2-ai-accelerator-module/
[20:12]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/30/flex-logix-inferx-x1m-m-2-ai-accelerator-module/
[20:12]	bnchs	i hate brandon miller
[20:12]	TR Bot	 Flex Logix InferX X1M M.2 AI accelerator module is now in production - CNX Software
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[20:13]	bnchs	Brandon Nozaki Killer and his regionist malware
[20:13]	bnchs	Miller*
[20:13]	TR News	Use cords/wires instead. https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/30/bluetooth-le-audio-evaluation-kit-supports-nrf52840-bluetooth-low-energy-soc/
[20:13]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/30/bluetooth-le-audio-evaluation-kit-supports-nrf52840-bluetooth-low-energy-soc/
[20:13]	TR Bot	 Bluetooth LE audio evaluation kit supports nRF52840 Bluetooth Low Energy SoC - CNX Software
[20:14]	TR News	cnxsoftware published and then removed webspam ("Ai-Thinker TG-12F is a cheaper, more stable alternative to ESP32 modules (Sponsored)"). Could this be the reason DNS was rejecting the site? Flagged for spam?
[20:15]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs: it's not malware
[20:15]	schestowitz-TR	it's "open source"
[20:15]	schestowitz-TR	and deleting people's files is "protest"
[20:15]	schestowitz-TR	when you kill a Russian it's nor murder
[20:15]	schestowitz-TR	and asking people in Twitter to kill Russians is not hate speech
[20:15]	schestowitz-TR	it's not even racism
[20:15]	schestowitz-TR	it's.... "patriotism"
[20:15]	schestowitz-TR	see?
[20:15]	bnchs	Yeah
[20:16]	schestowitz-TR	welcome to the world of double standards
[20:16]	bnchs	The only instance where that's BAD is when it's against black people
[20:16]	bnchs	or the arbitrary defined "minorities"
[20:16]	bnchs	arbitrarily defined*
[20:17]	schestowitz-TR	"chinese minorities"
[20:17]	schestowitz-TR	in the US, chinese is minority
[20:17]	schestowitz-TR	there are almost no chinese people in the world
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[20:20]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22032234
[20:20]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/nz343rp484o81.jpg created on 2022-03-22 11:54:00.552910
[20:29]	TR News	Nitrux 2.1.0 Is Here, Offers the Latest KDE Plasma http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163273#comment-33266
[20:29]	TR Bot	 Nitrux 2.1.0 Releases with KDE Plasma 5.24.4, Native iOS Device Support | Tux Machines
[20:29]	TR News	"2) VisionFive by Starfive, a RISC-V-based SBC" http://www.montanalinux.org/bozemanglug/meeting-announcement-april-2022.html
[20:29]	TR Bot	April 2022 Meeting | www.montanalinux.org
[20:30]	bnchs	Geez, It sure is boring around here!
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[20:32]	schestowitz-TR	where?
[20:33]	bnchs	In the TechRights IRC channel
[20:33]	schestowitz-TR	topics can change
[20:36]	schestowitz-TR	earliert today we has important discussion about fsf
[20:37]	schestowitz-TR	if you want to see boring, I can show you some truly boring sites
[20:37]	TR News	Otter (game server) 1.0.0 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163283
[20:37]	TR Bot	 Otter (game server) 1.0.0 released | Tux Machines
[20:37]	bnchs	hmmmmm
[20:37]	bnchs	i like how they say rust is safe and all that
[20:38]	schestowitz-TR	try linux.com
[20:38]	bnchs	but you may find that most rust projects use the unsafe keyword
[20:38]	bnchs	like almost all rust projects use unsafe code
[20:38]	TR News	15 AWESOME Linux apps for GNOME - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=O5As4HocCrw Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
[20:38]	TR Bot	 15 AWESOME Linux apps for GNOME - Invidious
[20:38]	MinceR	well, rust can either do no i/o at all, or it can use "unsafe" code
[20:38]	bnchs	it ruins the point
[20:38]	bnchs	so that means rust is so strict
[20:38]	bnchs	that you might aswell just write in C
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	rust has security issues
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	again and again
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	not few, quite a lot
[20:39]	TR News	GNU Health Hospital Management 4.0.3 patchset released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163284
[20:39]	TR Bot	 GNU Health Hospital Management 4.0.3 patchset released | Tux Machines
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	To use ana analogy
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	a IRL analogy
[20:40]	schestowitz-TR	they tell you "lifestyle"c rap
[20:40]	schestowitz-TR	to make your life "Easier"
[20:40]	schestowitz-TR	but all that crap they peddle
[20:40]	schestowitz-TR	that in turns adds more overhead and hassle
[20:40]	bnchs	so rust is absolutely useless
[20:40]	schestowitz-TR	"smart" cars are one example
[20:40]	bnchs	and it does have some compiler flaws
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[20:40]	schestowitz-TR	rust is to c what "smart" cars are to cars
[20:40]	bnchs	like allocating and load/store without alignment
[20:41]	schestowitz-TR	or what java is to javascript, or vice versa rather
[20:41]	bnchs	you will only spot it in debug LLVM output
[20:41]	bnchs	or assembly
[20:41]	schestowitz-TR	rust is "all the rage"
[20:41]	bnchs	but these kinds of alignment issues cause 1) slowness
[20:41]	bnchs	2) illegal instruction error (sigsegv if you're fancy)
[20:41]	bnchs	can cause*
[20:42]	bnchs	its fucking undefined behavior
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[20:42]	schestowitz-TR	rust is JavaFX!!!!
[20:42]	bnchs	depends on which CPU you use
[20:42]	bnchs	it either crashes or slows down
[20:42]	bnchs	nothing better than C
[20:42]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaFX
[20:42]	TR Bot	 JavaFX - Wikipedia
[20:42]	bnchs	https://andrewkelley.me/post/unsafe-zig-safer-than-unsafe-rust.html
[20:42]	TR Bot	 Unsafe Zig is Safer Than Unsafe Rust - Andrew Kelley
[20:42]	schestowitz	"JavaFX was intended to replace Swing as the standard GUI library for Java SE, but it has been dropped from new Standard Editions while Swing and AWT remain included, supposedly because JavaFX's marketshare has been "eroded by the rise of 'mobile first' and 'web first applications."
[20:43]	schestowitz	This is Rust!!
[20:43]	schestowitz	hype
[20:43]	DaemonFC	I don't know why anyone would standardize on languages that change in such a way that you have to go back and rewrite 60% or more of your program sometimes.
[20:43]	DaemonFC	Over and over again.
[20:43]	DaemonFC	Because "stuff happened".
[20:43]	MinceR	because they're stupid
[20:43]	bnchs	"none of the alloca, load, store instructions have alignment attributes on them"
[20:44]	bnchs	and i know alignment is a big issue for if you're trying to do SSE optimizations
[20:44]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ complains about C. What the real problem is, of course, is that it's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.
[20:44]	schestowitz-TR	remember many people wrote everything in flash
[20:44]	schestowitz-TR	Trash activescript
[20:44]	DaemonFC	Corporations write code quickly and don't bother profiling it or looking for bugs.
[20:44]	schestowitz-TR	actionscript
[20:44]	schestowitz-TR	and where is their code now?
[20:44]	schestowitz-TR	ashtray
[20:44]	DaemonFC	So shit happens, and then there's bugs found in it for years. Serious bugs.
[20:44]	bnchs	so basically if you cast a variable to a type with different alignment
[20:44]	DaemonFC	Then they blame their tools.
[20:44]	schestowitz-TR	not even gnash is maintained anymore
[20:44]	bnchs	you can guess what happens
[20:45]	bnchs	schestowitz-TR: gnash was based off of reverse engineering the SWF format
[20:45]	schestowitz-TR	rust is so young and immature, it's crazy to put a 30+ year kernel on that
[20:45]	bnchs	they couldnt use the official adobe specification because of the strict terms
[20:45]	DaemonFC	Then the logical thing to do is not to hire veterans who know what mistakes not to make with higher salaries, or retain them.
[20:45]	schestowitz-TR	even just for device drivers or whatever at first
[20:45]	DaemonFC	It's to Logan's Run all of your employees who reach 40 or 45, and give them a language with training wheels.
[20:46]	schestowitz-TR	it's like putting Linux on proprietary version control (which did happen;tridge's fault, iirc)
[20:46]	bnchs	rust doesnt even report alignment issues
[20:46]	DaemonFC	It keeps benefits and salaries down, even if the programs written in it are not very good and you'll be paying people to rewrite things forever.
[20:46]	DaemonFC	But I mean, so what. At least the salary is lower.
[20:46]	TR News	Steam Deck Gets 2 Patches Mainly Focusing on Keyboard Improvements - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-gets-2-patches-mainly-focusing-on-keyboard-improvements/ Source: boilingsteam
[20:47]	TR Bot	 Steam Deck Gets 2 Patches Mainly Focusing on Keyboard Improvements - Boiling Steam
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[20:47]	DaemonFC	Whenever I set out to do a project, I figure out what I need to do it right the first time.
[20:47]	DaemonFC	I come up with a budget that does not cut corners. Then I do the thing.
[20:48]	DaemonFC	Then I often never have to go back and revisit that particular problem again.
[20:48]	TR News	Microsoft Windows is not worth it either - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IATTPTOaHcY Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
[20:48]	TR Bot	 Are Soundcards worth it in 2022? - Invidious
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[20:48]	TR News	ArchLinux 2022.04.01 is out https://archlinux.org/
[20:48]	TR Bot	 Arch Linux
[20:49]	DaemonFC	If you need to keep constantly revisiting the same issue just out of cheapness, you really need to ask what it is you're doing with your life. Because if you try to slash budgets in half but end up redoing the job several times, you're not saving money.
[20:49]	schestowitz-TR	>>  At least the salary is lower.
[20:49]	schestowitz-TR	any link for that?
[20:49]	schestowitz-TR	new to m
[20:49]	schestowitz-TR	*me
[20:49]	bnchs	rust hasn't matured enough like C did
[20:49]	schestowitz-TR	also lower compared to what? C? embedded?
[20:49]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> >>  At least the salary is lower.
[20:49]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs: it matured in dying company
[20:49]	schestowitz-TR	mozilla, run by a likely gulag mole
[20:50]	DaemonFC	Intel is known for firing most people who reach 40 or 45.
[20:50]	DaemonFC	It's well known that once you hit 40 your days are numbered.
[20:50]	schestowitz-TR	you cannot add productivity
[20:50]	schestowitz-TR	it's like atheletes at 30 
[20:50]	schestowitz-TR	you are past the peak
[20:50]	DaemonFC	Their goal is to extract as much work out of you as they can before your salary demands go way up and you develop health problems that cost their group plan lots of money.
[20:50]	schestowitz-TR	but financial demands do not decrease
[20:51]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: that's a bad approach
[20:51]	schestowitz-TR	it's like doping
[20:51]	schestowitz-TR	or like girls butchering themselves to "look good"
[20:51]	schestowitz-TR	they add up debt
[20:51]	schestowitz-TR	like bad health and inflammation
[20:51]	DaemonFC	Yeah, well you see it in the trash that comes out to market, don't you? All the CPU bugs in Intel products for the last 7 or 8 years.
[20:51]	schestowitz-TR	instead they can work more slowly and work towards the means they need covered
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[20:52]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I roped in some new firmwares from Intel out of Debian Testing.
[20:52]	schestowitz-TR	at age 50 the only added value you have is, you can become manager without being ridiculed
[20:52]	DaemonFC	Because they release broken hardware and then "fix it" using firmware kludges later on.
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[20:52]	DaemonFC	And if the OS doesn't load those firmwares, you have the bugs instead.
[20:53]	schestowitz-TR	because if you did the job for x+20 years, then "x" colleagues are more likely to tolerate your supposed authority
[20:53]	DaemonFC	Often it's security issues, sometimes it's "the entire computer freezes if this situation happens".
[20:53]	DaemonFC	Just hundreds of issues.
[20:53]	bnchs	rust is a magic wand
[20:53]	bnchs	you must use it all you can
[20:53]	schestowitz-TR	because it's NEW
[20:53]	schestowitz-TR	a new CARGO cult
[20:53]	DaemonFC	Loadable firmware modules are Intel's way of shipping broken products and not worrying about it too much.
[20:53]	schestowitz-TR	with CoC and Microsoft shiihub
[20:54]	DaemonFC	20-30 years ago if they fucked up big time they had to recall it.
[20:54]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22032232
[20:54]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/kc8yfj04bun81.jpg created on 2022-03-22 11:07:14.314807
[20:54]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft= wokeism
[20:54]	DaemonFC	That was expensive.
[20:54]	schestowitz-TR	ICE = woke
[20:54]	bnchs	never mind the issues like potential UB issues, cross-platform issues 
[20:54]	bnchs	just use it
[20:54]	DaemonFC	Now they can just rewrite parts of your CPU after the fact and get the OS to load the updates on boot time.
[20:54]	bnchs	whats that? you're using C?
[20:54]	bnchs	dude that language is such memory-unsafe
[20:54]	schestowitz-TR	btw, see the libreplanet talk we published about free/lbre game
[20:54]	AdmFubar1	schestowitz-TR: was there supposed to be a article on why cnx was offline ... or were you just noting that they were back up in the rss feed headline?
[20:55]	bnchs	because i saw a bunch of people writing low-quality shit tools on it
[20:55]	schestowitz-TR	He said something Ik strongly agrteee with about using bash
[20:55]	bnchs	therefore fuck C
[20:55]	schestowitz-TR	you know the interfaces won't break for decades to come
[20:55]	schestowitz-TR	very stable API
[20:55]	schestowitz-TR	not sure sdl is still predictable
[20:55]	bnchs	rust isn't even stable
[20:55]	schestowitz-TR	python and php are not
[20:55]	bnchs	there's only one compiler
[20:55]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar1: there was an article
[20:55]	schestowitz-TR	hang onm
[20:56]	schestowitz-TR	and he did not elaborate
[20:56]	schestowitz-TR	which seemed a tad strange
[20:56]	schestowitz-TR	dispute between him and the host
[20:56]	schestowitz-TR	[18:46] <techrights-news> "As you may have noticed in recent days, my domain registrar (HostFast) suspended cnx-software.com domain for what I believe are dubious reasons, meaning the site was inaccessible to the outside world and myself." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/31/how-to-install-a-dns-server-on-your-linux-computer/
[20:56]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/31/how-to-install-a-dns-server-on-your-linux-computer/
[20:56]	TR Bot	 How to Install dnsmasq caching DNS server in Ubuntu - CNX Software
[20:56]	schestowitz-TR	I did not read past the beginning
[20:56]	schestowitz-TR	but  saw 17 comments are there
[20:56]	DaemonFC	All this vegan crap surfacing in iBotta lately. SIMULATE NUGS (fake chicken).
[20:57]	DaemonFC	Dalek voice: SIMUUUULATE! SIMULAAAAAATE!
[20:57]	MinceR	DELETE!
[20:57]	schestowitz-TR	ALEXA. DELETE. DALEK.
[20:57]	DaemonFC	That episode of Mr. Bean with him playing with the nativity scene at the department store.
[20:58]	DaemonFC	He borrowed a dalek for it. "EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE!!!!".
[20:58]	MinceR	:>
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 118.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 286.01
[20:59]	DaemonFC	I'm surprised that didn't get censored out by the BBC for offending Christians.
[20:59]	bnchs	Alexa, Text my mom a video of 1 man 1 jar
[20:59]	DaemonFC	Or that scene with him at church, for that matter.
[20:59]	bnchs	Tell her it's a funny video
● Apr 02
[21:00]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: it would not be aired today
[21:00]	DaemonFC	No it wouldn't.
[21:00]	DaemonFC	It's like the US where you couldn't do Married With Children now even though it was one of the funniest things on TV back then.
[21:00]	schestowitz	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU
[21:00]	TR Bot	 In full: Rowan Atkinson on free speech - Invidious
[21:01]	DaemonFC	People get old, they get "different".
[21:01]	DaemonFC	They get scared of the entire world. They turn inwards. Their life gets boring anyway, and they know they'll die soon.
[21:01]	schestowitz-TR	I watched Married With Children thousands of times
[21:01]	schestowitz-TR	literally
[21:01]	DaemonFC	So perfect conditions to go to church set in around 60 or so.
[21:01]	schestowitz-TR	it was on every night
[21:01]	DaemonFC	Even if you never did before.
[21:02]	schestowitz-TR	I actually mentioned Married With Children to my dad a few days ago
[21:02]	schestowitz-TR	we joked about my mom's cousin
[21:02]	schestowitz-TR	"jefferson"
[21:02]	DaemonFC	The Wankers of Wanker County?
[21:02]	DaemonFC	(Peg's family)
[21:02]	DaemonFC	It was hinted that they were from somewhere around Kentucky or Tennessee.
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	Jesse from christina appelgate was so terrible
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	like joey from friends with his dumb solo
[21:03]	DaemonFC	Kelly kept dragging teenage boys (or sometimes even adult men) home and it was frequently cited that she was having sex with all of them.
[21:04]	schestowitz-TR	larry david/curb your enthusiasm
[21:04]	DaemonFC	Al responed by beating them all up.
[21:04]	DaemonFC	THAT would never be allowed now.
[21:04]	DaemonFC	*responded
[21:04]		*schestowitz-TR checks is ed o'neal is still alive
[21:04]	DaemonFC	He is.
[21:05]	DaemonFC	He's been in some things but it's all SJW-approved, so it's not funny.
[21:05]	DaemonFC	He cashes the paychecks I guess. He probably doesn't even like doing it.
[21:05]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_O%27Neill
[21:05]	TR Bot	 Ed O'Neill - Wikipedia
[21:05]	schestowitz	75 y-o
[21:05]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ -types have ruined the ability for anything to be funny anymore.
[21:05]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_O%27Neill#/media/File:Ed_O'Neill_at_2015_PaleyFest.jpg
[21:05]	TR Bot	 Ed O'Neill - Wikipedia
[21:06]	DaemonFC	They actually did what "that woman from Michigan" set out to do when she complained to the FCC about Married With Children.
[21:06]	schestowitz	7 years ago
[21:06]	DaemonFC	At the time the FCC basically told her to go pound sand.
[21:07]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Bundy
[21:07]	TR Bot	 Al Bundy - Wikipedia
[21:07]	DaemonFC	It was all about that episode where Al and Jefferson went to the sex shop and there were gay jokes (which I thought were pretty funny).
[21:07]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school_football
[21:07]	TR Bot	 High school football - Wikipedia
[21:07]	DaemonFC	I make jokes about gay people sometimes when I think something is absurd, and I'm gay.
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR	that was US before walmartisation
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR	also before windows 95
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR	i.e. when a real computer industry still existed
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR	and US manufactured a lot of it
[21:08]	DaemonFC	We were on the bus in Chicago one day and I leaned over and I told John "I guess they move here when they turn into The Pet Shop Boys." and pointed to a couple that were getting off the bus in Rogers Park.
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	[21:07] <DaemonFC> I make jokes about gay people sometimes when I think something is absurd, and I'm gay.
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	"self-hating gay"
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	introspection is heresy
[21:10]	DaemonFC	Then we were on the bus in South Shore and there was one dipping his fingers in peanut butter and licking it all off and then they started kissing each other (with tongue) and I told him "Who knew this bus went through Indiana?".
[21:11]	TR News	LOL! You are going to need it!! Because Windows needs rebooting alllll the time. And rebooting takes a long time. https://www.maketecheasier.com/change-windows-10-login-screen-image/
[21:11]	TR Bot	 How to Change the Windows Login Screen Image - Make Tech Easier
[21:11]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> introspection is heresy
[21:11]	DaemonFC	If you make a joke that offends anyone, you're EVIL EVIL EVIL!
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	i can tolerate public kissing if it's like a nightclub
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	and people might be drunk
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	and might be meeting for the first time
[21:12]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: "A poor craftsman blames his tools" doesn't mean that there are no bad tools. A good craftsman picks good tools.
[21:12]	bnchs	mjg59_: but the tool in this case is a very permissive low-level language
[21:12]	mjg59_	C is an effective tool, but also a dangerous one
[21:12]	bnchs	yes a dangerous one
[21:13]	bnchs	because with great powers, comes great responsibility 
[21:13]	coopid	most tools are dangerouse
[21:13]	mjg59_	The idea that nothing could satisfy most of the same use cases without being less dangerous is ridiculous
[21:13]	TR News	Yoko Redux dreams of Windows, Mac and Linux release | Adventure Gamers https://adventuregamers.com/news/view/yoko-redux-dreams-of-windows-mac-and-linux-release Source: adventuregamers
[21:13]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: adventuregamers.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://adventuregamers.com/news/view/yoko-redux-dreams-of-windows-mac-and-linux-release
[21:13]	TR Bot	 Yoko Redux dreams of Windows, Mac and Linux release | Adventure Gamers
[21:13]		*DaemonFC replaces mjg59_'s hedge trimmers with something out of the toy aisle at Walmart and then asks him to do some landscaping.
[21:13]	DaemonFC	You'll like the toy better. It's safe!
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[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	I still use a shaver/trimmer from around 1995
[21:14]	bnchs	you have to be responsible and learn how to overcome problems 
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	I have not even chaged the blades
[21:14]	bnchs	these are the requirements for C
[21:14]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: I'm not clear what analogy you're trying to draw here. What does C usefully allow you to do that Rust doesn't?
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[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	Rust is a lot of hype s far
[21:14]	bnchs	mjg59_: implement something without the borrow checker sperging like an autist?
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	they bury issues
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	they ban people
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	then scare away their own
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	many people quit
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	even high-level people
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	they have a retention isuse
[21:15]	DaemonFC	My parents were pretty awesome in some ways. I asked my dad why there was a safety bar on the lawnmower and who could possibly be stupid enough to stand in front of a running lawnmower, much less a self-propelled one. (I was like 6 or 7 I think.)
[21:15]	mjg59_	bnchs: If the borrow checker is unhappy then chances are writing the same code in C would be buggy
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	and now they advertise funding from chinese tech giants and bezos
[21:15]	bnchs	if you cant be responsible and learn from your mistakes 
[21:15]	DaemonFC	He goes, "Oh probably some Mexicans ran over their foot and sued the company.".
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	rust is no mozilla or community
[21:15]	bnchs	then rust is for you
[21:15]	bnchs	mjg59_: linked list is buggy?
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	it's just some corporate tooll
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	and it's controlled by microsoft for a lot of things
[21:15]	mjg59_	The problem with C is that your mistakes don't just affect you
[21:16]	DaemonFC	So we'd save those twist ties that came with loaves of bread and use it to hold down the safety bar on the mower so it wouldn't turn off if you let go of the handle.
[21:16]	bnchs	there's no perfect programs
[21:16]	bnchs	every program has it's own security vulnerabilities, probably left undiscovered
[21:16]	DaemonFC	Only a fucking idiot would ever stand in front of a self-propelled lawn mower. But there's plenty of fucking idiots, so we all have to suffer.
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	rust's trajectory is the same as mozilla's. like father, like son.
[21:17]	DaemonFC	And now there's more sensors on cars too, more coming.
[21:17]	mjg59_	bnchs: It's true, but choosing the right language means that certain types of security vulnerability simply don't exist
[21:17]	DaemonFC	And twist ties from the bread won't save the smart people anymore.
[21:17]	coopid	echo "hello" is a perfect program
[21:17]	bnchs	mjg59_: such as alignment issues in rust's instructions?
[21:17]	bnchs	coopid: depends on IO library
[21:18]	coopid	thats behond the scoop
[21:18]	bnchs	if you wanna treat yourself like a baby
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[21:18]	bnchs	then use rust for all i care
[21:18]	psydruid	I'm looking at job advertisements in Berlin and I only see BS jobs
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[21:18]	psydruid	https://berlinstartupjobs.com/engineering/
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[21:19]	psydruid	is that the state of this industry?
[21:19]	mjg59_	bnchs: So why complain about it?
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: yes!!!
[21:19]	mjg59_	It sounds like you do care
[21:19]	bnchs	yes i do
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	clownops smartops berlinoooops
[21:19]	bnchs	i get people saying i should rewrite in rust
[21:19]	bnchs	and i wanna say that rust isnt a magic wand to your problems so you dont have to deal with them
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[21:21]	DaemonFC	I've never used a lawn mower with an intact shutoff system. They annoy me. They moved it from a bar you have to hold down to a switch further down the line that kills the ignition if you completely let go of the accelerator bar. So I used a self-tapping screw to put in a striker plate that keeps the switch from turning off.
[21:21]	DaemonFC	They get nastier with this safety stuff all the time, schestowitz-TR 
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[21:22]	mjg59_	bnchs: No language is going to solve all your problems. But getting rid of memory unsafety gets rid of a *lot* of security problems that exist in the real world.
[21:22]	DaemonFC	If you stand in front of a lawnmower that's running then you deserve what happens. Not sorry.
[21:22]	bnchs	mjg59_: because i hate rust
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[21:22]	bnchs	god damn it late
[21:22]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: The analogy here is "If you use code someone else wrote in C, you deserve what happens"
[21:22]	bnchs	but anyway
[21:23]	bnchs	mjg59_: yes and its called learning the basic rules of memory allocation
[21:23]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Windows certainly can't be fixed, and will never be fixed.
[21:23]	mjg59_	bnchs: All the evidence suggests that learning the basic rules of memory allocation isn't sufficient to avoid memory safety issues
[21:23]	bnchs	rust is another problem i have to deal
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[21:24]	bnchs	porting rust code to PS3 is absolutely impossible
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[21:24]	DaemonFC	But you refuse to criticize Microsoft or do anything to really interfere with their plans. In fact, the corruption of the FSF is that they gave YOU an award for putting Security Theater Boot in Free Software.
[21:24]	DaemonFC	That way, Microsoft's ass is covered as long as they permit anything else to run on a computer that comes with Windows.
[21:24]	bnchs	mjg59_: what can i say is that i have used C for a long time
[21:24]	DaemonFC	Regardless of it it is what the owner of the computer wants to use.
[21:24]	bnchs	and i have never had a problem with it
[21:25]	bnchs	and there's memory leak debuggers like valgrind
[21:25]	mjg59_	And there's unexercised code paths that are only triggered on error conditions on certain inputs
[21:25]	DaemonFC	You always seem to fall back to "the owner controls Secure Boot" in the setup program, but most of the time, they do not.
[21:25]	DaemonFC	The manufacturer just compiles the firmware to hide all of the advanced setup options.
[21:26]	DaemonFC	So they're in the specification, but not in the reality.
[21:26]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: I keep saying that if someone can point at a computer that has no mechanism for key enrollment, I will buy one of those computers and verify that
[21:26]	bnchs	mjg59_: make test cases
[21:26]	mjg59_	And so far literally nobody has!
[21:26]	DaemonFC	Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2 completely hides it.
[21:26]	mjg59_	bnchs: You're going to test-case every single argument to ioctl()?
[21:26]	DaemonFC	You can turn it on or off, nothing else.
[21:26]	bnchs	i dont use ioctl
[21:27]	DaemonFC	I didn't even look real hard on this laptop (a ThinkBook 15 ITL Gen2), admittedly.
[21:27]	DaemonFC	I turned it off and never thought about it again.
[21:27]	bnchs	i'm using C because its very portable
[21:27]	bnchs	unlike rust
[21:27]	DaemonFC	I got plenty of PROBLEMS with Secure Boot on with the 900 ISK2, including Fedora failing to boot because Ubuntu "updated the dbx".
[21:28]	DaemonFC	Which requires a factory reset of the firmware.
[21:28]	DaemonFC	Just nasty shit, really.
[21:28]	activelow	i think, the memory-safety issue, is specific to van Neumann, Harvard architecture (to separate code and data with strict permissions) is less prone
[21:28]	DaemonFC	That's all you get with Security Theater Boot, is nasty shit.,
[21:28]	DaemonFC	It's full of bugs, and the manufacturers don't have to give you control of it, and some don't.
[21:28]	bnchs	mjg59_: i cant port rust to the PS3 because of the compiler backend
[21:29]	psydruid	bnchs, does rust on ps3 create binaries that crash due to unaligned memory accesses?
[21:29]	bnchs	rust code*
[21:29]	DaemonFC	If you can turn it off, turn it off. If it's off, it can't fuck up.
[21:29]	bnchs	psydruid: never tried
[21:29]	bnchs	PS3 homebrew community literally dumped everything rust
[21:29]	DaemonFC	That's the situation around uEFI. "Just boot my computer please. Turn all of this other shit off. If you touch anything you'll only make it worse."
[21:30]	activelow	and with rust-lang, i consider the memory-safety a compiler-feature, not a language-feature itself
[21:30]	psydruid	closed source firmware for the host processor = instant no
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[21:31]	DaemonFC	Anything that says "Secure Boot" or "Trusted" or whatnot, turn it off if you can. That way you're much less likely to end up with weird bugs that may even render the system unbootable and the firmware stuck in some crazy undefined state that doesn't work.
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[21:31]	activelow	it is confused, for political reasons, because compiler extensions for C language exist too
[21:31]	psydruid	so it doesn't matter whatever someone says to rationalize it
[21:31]	psydruid	it's not going to convince me to buy any of that hardware
[21:31]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, So I'm sure there's 900 ISK2s out there. You can buy one cheap. Just make sure you get the ISK2. You will find the user can turn Security Theater Boot on and off and there's nothing else except "reset".
[21:32]	activelow	and the rust-lang crowd is agitating for their language, which builds upon latest compiler features, which are available with C language too
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[21:32]	DaemonFC	And then you acknowledge that the user just doesn't have any meaningful control over it just because it's in a spec somewhere. Doesn't mean that's how anyone will ship it.
[21:33]	DaemonFC	They don't care what the specification says. They give you the bare minimum Microsoft requires, which as of Windows 10 was "on or off".
[21:33]	DaemonFC	I don't even know about whether you're guaranteed THAT with Windows "11".
[21:33]	activelow	btw. TinyCC contains a bounds-checker too, i couldn't review this yet
[21:34]	DaemonFC	And even on or off was only guaranteed on x86 systems, nothing else.
[21:34]	activelow	and the W^X feature isnt' a language feature either, it is implemented by both the MMU and kernel
[21:34]	DaemonFC	If you buy a Windows computer that uses ARM, you're wasting 100% of your money.
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft wasted money trying to get it to work
[21:34]	DaemonFC	They're not good for anything because nobody tolerates Windows for anything other than backwards compatibility with itself.
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	now it's just busy vandalising and pooing in our yard, isnetad
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	it's the only way to compete
[21:35]	DaemonFC	And they're even dumb enough to break that on x86 now.
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	make sure gnu/linux becomes just as unreliable as windows
[21:35]	DaemonFC	So fewer people will even see the point except "path of least resistance". The junk came with the PC.
[21:36]	DaemonFC	A few years ago, Lenovo shipped computers with malware preinstalled. It was terrible. It spewed ads everywhere, it had horrible security holes, it sent your information to untrustworthy organizations.....
[21:37]	activelow	many cortex ARM (the non-heterogenous big.LITTLE ones) are mostly more secure by default (memory safety) in comparison to x86
[21:37]	DaemonFC	They said it was solved when Superfish was no longer bundled, but Windows meets the same definition.
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[21:37]	activelow	mostly they are not affected by the spectre/meltdown out-of-order race conditions; and the W^X memory permissions are handled more strict than x86 by default
[21:38]	bnchs	activelow: how dare you say that
[21:38]	DaemonFC	I actually made a parody song about Lenovo at the time to the tune of Super Freak.
[21:38]	bnchs	rust is better than C
[21:38]	activelow	somewhat ironic, cortex a7 or cortex a53 are available for a few dollars; while x86 ask for 10x the price with theirs
[21:38]	DaemonFC	'Super Fish! Super Fish! It's super fishy!"
[21:39]	psydruid	Windows on ARM will go down with Windows itself, but it's a very marginal thing in contrast with the billions of ARM chips that are being used with other operating systems such as GNU/Linux and various RTOSes
[21:39]	activelow	bnchs: maybe; nonetheless the memory-safety of rust-lang; i don't consider this a language feature, it is a compiler feature
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Windows on ARM is a pipe dream that they waste money on.
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[21:39]	bnchs	no
[21:39]	psydruid	they have to keep up appearances at least
[21:40]	bnchs	the only good thing about rust is the "memory safety"
[21:40]	DaemonFC	They try to tax Android using patents and use the money to prop up the stuff someone's smoking crack with.
[21:40]	bnchs	the syntax is godawful bullshit
[21:40]	DaemonFC	Probably the only thing Windows on ARM will ever do is cost them money.
[21:40]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: they blackmail samsung
[21:40]	schestowitz-TR	into propping up their clown
[21:40]	psydruid	what will investors say when they realize Microsoft can't compete in the market for ARM hardware, no matter what they try
[21:40]	schestowitz-TR	more patent lawsuits if they don't surrender
[21:41]	schestowitz-TR	microsoft = crime
[21:41]	schestowitz-TR	bullies, mafia, gangsters
[21:41]	schestowitz-TR	[15:55] <techrights-news> US taxpayers again forced to bail out or subsidise Microsoft https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/pentagon_delays_jwcc_cloud_deal/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
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[21:41]	schestowitz-TR	don't worry, Donald Biden and Joe Trump will bail them out
[21:41]	psydruid	Apple is actually shipping millions of ARM systems and so is Raspberry Pi
[21:41]	schestowitz-TR	because "RUSHA"
[21:42]	psydruid	Microsoft OEMS a few hundred thousand at most
[21:42]	activelow	i think rust-lang is a utility, to re-implement software which was written in c/c++ elsewhere with undesireable licenses for those who prefer rust-lang
[21:42]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: some companies want to buy ARM
[21:42]	schestowitz-TR	inc. Intel
[21:42]	schestowitz-TR	obv. a bigger antitrust issue thsn nvidia
[21:42]	DaemonFC	The reason you still see Windows XP around is because Windows Vista was so bloated that it set them back for YEARS.
[21:42]	schestowitz-TR	latestagecapitalism: state connected  companies buy everything
[21:42]	schestowitz-TR	and are sponsored by taxpayers
[21:43]	activelow	if software is transpiled into rust-lang, they can claim a new license for the software (potentially violating GPL or any other license of what was written in C/C++ long before)
[21:43]	DaemonFC	There's still point of sale systems that can't use anything newer than "POSReady 2009".
[21:43]	DaemonFC	Which is XP.
[21:43]	psydruid	I doubt it's going to work out this time either
[21:43]		*activelow will never accept rust-lang or llvm/clang
[21:43]	schestowitz-TR	wine has better windows compat than xp
[21:43]	DaemonFC	My optometrist is still using Windows XP.
[21:43]	schestowitz-TR	and some distros are gentler on h/w
[21:43]	bnchs	activelow: it means less cross-platform
[21:43]	schestowitz-TR	so there is no reason to run xp anymore
[21:43]	bnchs	and more unreadable syntax
[21:44]	bnchs	all of that for
[21:44]	bnchs	"memory safety"
[21:44]	schestowitz-TR	just throw xfce4 with wine on a mchinea
[21:44]	DaemonFC	He said if he replaced it he'd have to buy a new $50,000 device because they didn't produce software that worked with it for a later version of Windows.
[21:44]	schestowitz-TR	and you get a "modern" browser, too
[21:44]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: typical windows
[21:44]	schestowitz-TR	and speaking of rust
[21:44]	schestowitz-TR	due to changing apis
[21:45]	DaemonFC	I said, "No, really it'll be your customers paying for it when that thing craps out because the vendor wanted planned obsolescence with Windows.".
[21:45]	schestowitz-TR	and lakc of h/w support, just because...
[21:45]	activelow	bnchs: i consider BaphometOS among the most secure, even removed some of the memory-safety features _intentionally_; and there isn't a single line of rust-lang anywhere
[21:45]	psydruid	I only have Vista 10 in a VM on my main laptop
[21:45]	bnchs	good for you
[21:45]	bnchs	except the vista 10
[21:45]	bnchs	but i hate rudt
[21:45]	bnchs	rust*
[21:46]	schestowitz-TR	windows+rust=windo jams
[21:46]	MinceR	02 221423 < mjg59_> DaemonFC: I'm not clear what analogy you're trying to draw here. What does C usefully allow you to do that Rust doesn't?
[21:46]	MinceR	implement something that will also build next year?
[21:46]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Digging through the firmware, there's a "Reset to Setup Mode" option
[21:47]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Once you do that, you can enroll new keys from the OS
[21:47]	psydruid	I need to make sure some of the stuff I write compiles and runs on vista, so that VM is seeing a few hours of use per year before it gets nuked
[21:47]	DaemonFC	The reference implementation of libopus is written in C89. It works fine.
[21:47]	DaemonFC	You can even compile it for Windows 95.
[21:47]	bnchs	DaemonFC: you cant do that with rust
[21:47]	DaemonFC	Probable even Windows 3.1 through Win32s. I've just not tried.
[21:48]	bnchs	because rust is all about bresking compatibility
[21:48]	bnchs	even with decade old consoles and shit
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[21:48]	DaemonFC	Yes, I have an Opus plug-in for Winamp 2.
[21:48]	DaemonFC	It works on Windows 95.
[21:48]	MinceR	also, with C, i can write code that at least 2 implementations can compile
[21:48]	bnchs	rust doesnt have much compatibility
[21:49]	MinceR	i can do both of those things also in C++
[21:49]	bnchs	with rust, you can write code that will only last half a year before breaking
[21:49]	bnchs	with C: you can write code that can last forever
[21:49]	MinceR	with C and C++, i can also write code that one can build without becoming a vassal to MICROS~1
[21:49]	DaemonFC	Can Microsoft also push malware to it that formats your disk if you live in Russia?
[21:49]	DaemonFC	That's the really important feature. Like they can with NPM.
[21:50]	bnchs	also theres platforms like the PS3
[21:50]	bnchs	that only has C library interface to the systems
[21:50]	bnchs	like libgcm
[21:50]		*psydruid doesn't even know how to work with NPM
[21:50]	MinceR	getting your code to execute on a PS3 is an ordeal anyway
[21:50]	MinceR	it wasn't meant to be programmed by anyone other than sony's vassals
[21:51]	bnchs	it does have a free software homebrew SDK 
[21:51]	DaemonFC	Getting your Windows program from the Windows XP era to work on Windows 10 is already dicey. I'm sure Windows 11 found even more ways to break it.
[21:51]	DaemonFC	It works fine on Wine.
[21:51]	bnchs	and a bunch of leaked proprietary Sony SDKs
[21:51]	bnchs	but just pick the free SDK
[21:51]	MinceR	and that free SDK exists against sony's wishes and efforts
[21:51]	bnchs	and only the proprietary if you really need shit like SPRX
[21:51]	MinceR	the whole gaming console business model is that you pay to access the platform as a developer
[21:51]		*psydruid shied away from buying a used PowerXCell server due to high power consumption
[21:51]	bnchs	MinceR: its just a gcc cross-compiler to CELL CPU
[21:52]	bnchs	and like a entire toolchain
[21:52]	DaemonFC	Don't worry. You can still use whatever happens to work on Windows 10 for a few more years until Microshit lets it bitrot and cuts new systems off from running it and refuses to patch all of the holes that people find in it.
[21:52]	bnchs	and some free PS3 tools
[21:52]	DaemonFC	Then you can just lose ANOTHER batch of programs to Vista 11.
[21:52]	DaemonFC	Every version of Windows causes thousands of programs to stop working.
[21:52]	bnchs	MinceR: "access the platform as a developer" yes but you also have to pay sony if you wanna publish the PKG file to their PSN store
[21:53]	DaemonFC	In return, you get a version of Windows that's even more bloated and slow, and packed with more nasty things no users would ask for (spyware and ads from Microsoft, for starters).
[21:53]	bnchs	the SDK is free but you have to pay sony to publish it to the PSN store*
[21:53]	psydruid	by that time Vista 12 will be out, which will be an even bigger success than Vista 11
[21:53]	DaemonFC	Windows "upgrades" are something nobody looks forward to unless they don't happen to use ANY programs that are more than a few years old.
[21:53]	MinceR	bnchs: that's what i meant
[21:54]	psydruid	Windows will cause itself to stop working
[21:54]	bnchs	yeah
[21:54]	DaemonFC	And even at that, the process usually gets hung up and it manages to corrupt itself and require a clean install anyway.
[21:54]	psydruid	The End
[21:54]	DaemonFC	Whether it manages to boot afterwards or not.
[21:54]	bnchs	but Sony cant do shit about the free SDK
[21:54]	bnchs	but its just a bunch of tools built off of reverse engineered documentations
[21:54]	bnchs	and cross-compilers
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[21:54]	psydruid	how does Vista 11 work on the latest and greatest hardware anyway?
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[21:55]	DaemonFC	One big problem is that Microsoft can't anticipate anything the user has done post-install. They've even had installers for a new version of Windows fail because someone moved the taskbar. "Something happened. Something happened.".
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[21:55]	DaemonFC	It's the most unprofessional piece of shit there is. So why use it?
[21:55]	schestowitz-TR	OEM crimes
[21:55]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft crimes
[21:55]	schestowitz-TR	bribes, corruption
[21:55]	schestowitz-TR	they don't sell windows to PEOPLE
[21:56]	schestowitz-TR	they sell it to OEMs
[21:56]	schestowitz-TR	they bribe them
[21:56]	schestowitz-TR	or blackmail them with patents
[21:56]	DaemonFC	Their response to the taskbar bug hanging the new Windows installers wasn't to fix the bug. It was to lock the taskbar to the bottom of the screen.
[21:56]	schestowitz-TR	then they bribe the regime too
[21:56]	schestowitz-TR	obama, trump, biden...
[21:56]	bnchs	DaemonFC: thats what you get when you build your OS off of towers and towers of technical debt and rushed development
[21:56]	activelow	microsoft windows did fully implement LDAP/Kerberos (ActiveDirectory) which is their selling point in the enterprise realm
[21:56]	bnchs	it starts crashing because it doesnt anticipate something obscure
[21:57]	schestowitz-TR	'enterprise'
[21:57]	schestowitz-TR	gluing together clown stuff
[21:57]	schestowitz-TR	I see it every day at work
[21:57]	schestowitz-TR	companies think outsourcing is "smart"
[21:57]	schestowitz-TR	and the disservices keep shutting down
[21:57]	activelow	the relevant term is distributed system, not cloud
[21:57]	schestowitz-TR	so they keep running form one clown to another clown
[21:57]	schestowitz-TR	it's an expensive circus
[21:57]	DaemonFC	One of the reasons why I decided on Debian and not Ubuntu is because I don't think Snaps are very well designed.
[21:58]	chunky	snaps are an abomination!
[21:58]	DaemonFC	And I don't like being pushed to use software installers that don't let me add sources from someone else.
[21:58]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: distributed outwards
[21:58]	DaemonFC	I use Flatpaks on Debian.
[21:58]	schestowitz-TR	chunky: snaps are laziness
[21:58]	schestowitz-TR	can't be bother to build properly
[21:58]	DaemonFC	So my base system is all served (well, mostly) by Debian, and many of my applications are the current versions through Flatpak.
[21:59]	schestowitz-TR	so I made a jiffy bag of binaries right there, like containers
[21:59]	DaemonFC	Having a base system with a lot of lulz and changing a lot is not helpful.
[21:59]	schestowitz-TR	it's how they ship their CRapps
[21:59]	schestowitz-TR	like in mobile phones, another mess
[21:59]	DaemonFC	But neither is having applications that are several versions behind.
[21:59]	DaemonFC	So now I can have the best of both worlds.
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[22:00]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Your lives as they have been are over. You will exist to service us! -Locutus of Borg
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[22:00]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: you assume all will consolidate on the same
[22:00]	schestowitz-TR	and then you end up with many appimages lying around
[22:00]	schestowitz-TR	and snapd running as a daemon
[22:00]	schestowitz-TR	and flatpak demanding you reboot your machine
[22:00]	DaemonFC	Every once in a while I have to run flatpak remove --unused
[22:00]	DaemonFC	And it cleans up orphan platform stuff, but yeah.
[22:00]	schestowitz-TR	and some application may stop delivering builds in these channels
[22:01]	DaemonFC	Other than some occasional cleanup, it's not terrible.
[22:01]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Anyway send me a link to a Yoga 900 13ISK2 and I'll buy it as long as you agree to pay me back if you're wrong
[22:01]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, I have a better offer.
[22:01]	DaemonFC	I'll take pictures of what LOL NO! Vo did to it and post them.
[22:02]	mjg59_	Sure, just show me a picture of the security menu in the firmware
[22:02]	DaemonFC	And you can tell me exactly what in the fuck I'm supposed to do with that on the theory I want to set it up myself.
[22:02]	bnchs	mjg59_: hahaha sure
[22:02]	mjg59_	Works for me
[22:02]	bnchs	buy the computer
[22:02]	bnchs	then when you find out the truth
[22:02]	bnchs	ill ghost you
[22:02]	bnchs	100% wasted money
[22:03]	mjg59_	True, I do already know he's a liar
[22:03]	mjg59_	The whole thing where he signed me up for a bunch of spam lists and then denied it
[22:04]	bnchs	"oh geez it wasnt me who signed you up for a gay porn website"
[22:04]	DaemonFC	I didn't see anything called "Custom Mode" or where I can add or delete anything. In fact, OpenSUSE did ask to install their signing key, which works....But there's no way to remove them except "RESET", which leaves Microsoft's, and you cannot remove Microsoft's and distrust Microsoft.
[22:04]	bnchs	"well tough luck"
[22:04]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Once you're in setup mode you can just rewrite kek and db
[22:05]	mjg59_	They're not append-only
[22:05]	DaemonFC	It seems like all that can be done is to add new ones, through whatever means OpenSUSE is using.
[22:05]	DaemonFC	But there's no fine grained control for the user.
[22:05]	DaemonFC	You can't even see what's in there.
[22:05]	mjg59_	Yes you can - you just read the variables
[22:05]	DaemonFC	Just some big stupid global RESET button.
[22:06]	DaemonFC	So, they've done this in the most user-hostile way possible?
[22:06]	mjg59_	There's a standard interface to that, you don't need the firmware to give you another one
[22:06]	DaemonFC	Why exactly?
[22:06]	mjg59_	If by "The most user-hostile way possible" you mean "They've allowed to to use the standard tools", sure
[22:07]	DaemonFC	Why isn't there a menu that says "Microsoft put this one in." "OpenSUSE put this one in." "Ubuntu did this."?
[22:07]	mjg59_	Because there are already OS tools that tell you that?
[22:07]	DaemonFC	And you can just add or remove them as you see fit from the firmware setup tool.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	In fact, I seem to recall that the code for that is already in there, Lenovo just hid it.
[22:07]	mjg59_	I'd prefer this to be done in the OS rather than the firmware - less probability of the firmware fucking it up
[22:08]	DaemonFC	Because that guy that used the external flasher to flash in a patched BIOS that unhides AHCI mode also added back other options Lenovo hid.
[22:08]	DaemonFC	And some of them pertain to Secure Boot.
[22:08]	mjg59_	I don't think you get to complain that firmware is too complicated and also complain that the firmware should do more
[22:08]	mjg59_	Anyway, glad we've got that sorted
[22:08]	DaemonFC	It's there, but they hid it, forcing the user to use other tools, but sometimes Lenovo added code that resets it once you use those other tools and reboot.
[22:08]	DaemonFC	Yeah, not shitty and complicated at all.
[22:08]	DaemonFC	Thank you Matthew.
[22:09]	mjg59_	Always glad to help out
[22:09]	DaemonFC	Along the way to dealing with that storage controller mode fuckery back in 2016, someone DID set it using UEFI Shell.
[22:09]	psydruid	Matthew IDGAFMAN
[22:10]	DaemonFC	Then it turned out Lenovo wrote more code to set it back so you couldn't make it persist, in addition to hiding the AHCI code and GUI toggle that were in the default firmware.
[22:10]	psydruid	show me the money!
[22:10]	DaemonFC	I wasn't the only one that was furious that I bought a laptop and found out it was all gimpy and could only run Windows because "reasons".
[22:11]	psydruid	x86 is like being in the Matrix
[22:11]	MinceR	02 230621 < DaemonFC> So, they've done this in the most user-hostile way possible?
[22:11]	MinceR	that's pretty much the point of uefi
[22:11]	DaemonFC	And I bought it because a blogger said it ran Ubuntu fine and then found out they made a very subtle change to the model number and did THIS in the process.
[22:11]	MinceR	at least the way MICROS~1 requires it to be for their certifications
[22:11]	bnchs	DaemonFC: disable secure boot?
[22:12]	DaemonFC	You know, after I was slimed by, well, everyone, and realized I was going to get no help from Lenovo or the media exposure.....
[22:12]	DaemonFC	I filed a case with the Attorney General's office.
[22:12]	DaemonFC	Then Lenovo contacted me and offered to fix it.
[22:13]	bnchs	lol
[22:13]	bnchs	lenovo is a big microsoft shill
[22:13]	TR News	Kyle Wiens on Right to Repair or Fight to Repair | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/fight-to-repair/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/02/fight-to-repair/
[22:13]	psydruid	bnchs, I think that was not possible with his uefi, because they removed that setting
[22:13]	TR Bot	 Kyle Wiens on Right to Repair or Fight to Repair | Techrights
[22:13]	DaemonFC	After they put out a blurb stating that they didn't want it to run "Linux" because the hinge was designed for Windows 10. I replied to that stating that GNOME went to Tablet Mode and the Virtual Keyboard actually worked 100% of the time, unlike in Windows 10.
[22:13]	bnchs	lenovo is a big piece of shit
[22:13]	bnchs	unlike before it was bought
[22:13]	DaemonFC	In Windows 10, you flip it over and the Virtual Keyboard basically only recognizes Microsoft apps.
[22:13]	bnchs	by some chinese
[22:14]	DaemonFC	So in Edge, you get a keyboard, in Firefox you don't.
[22:14]	DaemonFC	Things like that.
[22:14]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Opinion?
[22:15]	DaemonFC	Oh, in Fedora with GNOME, the keyboard worked with all sorts of things it didn't under Windows. Like in Windows, you open LibreOffice, nothing happens. No keyboard.
[22:15]	DaemonFC	You just sit there tapping on it, no keyboard in Windows. Only in Microsoft Office.
[22:15]	DaemonFC	I had a "free trial".
[22:15]	bnchs	fuck lenovo
[22:16]	bnchs	fuck OEMs that build UEFI with no secure boot options
[22:16]	DaemonFC	Absolutely! They've gotten a bit better after that.
[22:16]	bnchs	fuck OEMs that force windows
[22:16]	schestowitz-TR	bribes
[22:16]	bnchs	there's no incentive to do this
[22:16]	psydruid	OEMs are Microsoft's customers
[22:16]	bnchs	unless microsoft bribed them to do it
[22:17]	psydruid	and they want this control
[22:17]	DaemonFC	Debian works so much better. It never EVER does something stupid and unexpected on the level that Windows does at least once or twice a week.
[22:17]	psydruid	with GNU/Linux they don't have this control over your systems
[22:17]		*activelow sighs
[22:18]	psydruid	especially when there are no ME/PSP backdoors
[22:18]	psydruid	so screw them and let them die instead of rewarding them with your hard-earned cash
[22:18]	DaemonFC	I don't think MinceR has actually seen Windows recently. If he had, he'd know that GNOME isn't in the same ballpark when it comes to mental retardation. Windows went to hyperspace and is about a million light years out ahead of the most retarded thing you've encountered on "Linux".
[22:18]	bnchs	dude
[22:19]	bnchs	i was in a computer store
[22:19]	bnchs	and was surprised by some login screen that looked like KDE's login screen
[22:19]	bnchs	i press enter, and it was just windows 11
[22:19]	DaemonFC	Had they just left well enough alone with Windows 7 I don't think they'd be hemorrhaging Windows users like this, but you know....They went "there" with Windows 8.
[22:19]	MinceR	i've seen Backdoors a few minutes ago
[22:19]	MinceR	i haven't seen GNOME in a while, though
[22:19]	DaemonFC	Windows is just totally falling apart.
[22:20]	DaemonFC	It smells of apathy and disgruntled labor.
[22:20]	bnchs	windows is literally just a copy of KDE
[22:20]	bnchs	they copy KDE and change it a bit
[22:20]	psydruid	a bad copy
[22:20]	psydruid	because internally it's still the same spaghetti
[22:20]	psydruid	want some sauce with that?
[22:22]	psydruid	Qt is also going in that direction, though
[22:23]	psydruid	Dave Plumber's been pulling his Mario trick
[22:24]	bnchs	oh what is he doing
[22:26]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22032212
[22:26]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/p74s1s52j4o81.jpg created on 2022-03-22 03:41:05.141781
[22:26]	psydruid	making excuses for why Linux has "problems"
[22:27]	psydruid	I think you said that last time
[22:27]	bnchs	yes like a softie who never left microsoft
[22:27]	psydruid	I don't remember what exactly it was about
[22:27]	activelow	none of the major GUI desktop environments are acceptable; it isn't easy to remove dbus/udev/... from gtk3 (compile-time); and qt5 is worse (removed entirely)
[22:27]	DaemonFC	Micro Center has been a better place to go than the rest.
[22:27]	DaemonFC	We still have a few here.
[22:27]	bnchs	he said linux has a secret backdoor that only torvalds knows
[22:27]	DaemonFC	At one point, they were selling boxed sets of PC-BSD>
[22:28]	activelow	and there isn't any web browser remaining anymore either, if the criteria for "free software" are strict
[22:28]	activelow	it is even irelevant, if it's either BSD-licensed kernel and userspace, or GPL
[22:29]	activelow	not to mention compilers (gcc, llvm), which, with strict criteria enforced, leaves free software not at least with a c-compiler anymore for recent hardware and kernel
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[22:37]	matey	/me shows people how to compile code into python then run it from the same (already running) interpreter
[22:37]	matey	its not difficult but its fun
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[22:38]	bnchs	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBFdLwbzmB8
[22:38]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=RBFdLwbzmB8
[22:38]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | That time Bill Gates had a house party... - Invidious
[22:38]	bnchs	yes
[22:38]	bnchs	bill gates the womanizer
[22:38]	bnchs	but the video doesnt talk about that
[22:39]	matey	but github has a rainbow sometimes
[22:39]	matey	microsoft <3 lgbtq
[22:39]	activelow	i don't know, why Bill Gates is potrayed as a microsoft guy nowadays; his era was/is the i8086 CP/M DOS systems
[22:40]	matey	i don't know, why Bill Gates is potrayed as a microsoft guy nowadays <- only living founder, one of the worlds 10 richest people because of microsoft, has only named successors who ran it for him like a proxy
[22:40]	matey	no particular reason.
[22:40]	bnchs	i wish bill gates died
[22:40]	bnchs	fucking asshole
[22:41]	matey	funnily enough, if i was on a boat with bill gates, microsoft and a gun and two bullets
[22:41]	matey	i would shoot microsoft, twice
[22:41]	activelow	microsoft 2020 isn't micro-soft 1980; different company, different products, almost nothing in common
[22:42]	bnchs	matey: nah too obvious
[22:42]	bnchs	you know just sabatoge the boat
[22:42]	bnchs	from the inside
[22:42]	bnchs	and watch them sink
[22:42]	matey	almost nothing in common <- right, these days they try to control everything done on x86, and in the 1980s, that was TOTALLY DIFFERENT
[22:42]	matey	i mean THEIR LOGO CHANGED
[22:42]	matey	what do people want?
[22:42]	matey	their MARKETING IS NEARLY THE OPPOSITE of what it was
[22:43]	matey	they used to try to destroy the competitors
[22:43]	matey	now they just try to make friends!
[22:44]	matey	they used to have a fuckload of marketshare
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[22:44]	matey	now they have to BUY OUT things that have a fuckload of marketshare!
[22:44]	matey	they USED TO dismiss the internet and especially the web
[22:44]	matey	now they simply work to destroy it
[22:44]	matey	so yeah, night and day.
[22:45]	matey	a bit like putlin, they just want to work with ukrainians to do whats best for ukraine
[22:45]	matey	really microsoft is like a charity, but wait no, their charity is like an evil megacorp
[22:47]	matey	we complain about them in the media, they buy off the media
[22:47]	matey	they didnt do that in the 80s
[22:47]	matey	so thats different
[22:47]	matey	we complain about the to the government, they buy off the government
[22:47]	matey	also totally new
[22:47]	matey	so really its a very different company
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[22:48]	matey	only the fact that theyre pure fucking evil hasnt changed
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[22:49]	bnchs	you know
[22:49]	bnchs	i would have drugged bill's mom
[22:49]	bnchs	with birth control pills
[22:50]	activelow	matey: they and their products have become worse, alot worse, since 1980
[22:50]	matey	<activelow> matey: they and their products have become worse, alot worse, since 1980 <- yes
[22:50]	matey	so what you said before is confusing
[22:52]	matey	<bnchs> with birth control pills <- im pretty sure he was made in a lab anyway
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[22:52]	DaemonFC	Ever since that incident where I had to go to court and fight that traffic ticket last year, I've been reporting the police traps all around town whenever I see them.
[22:52]	matey	/me checks out a row of vials at wuhan
[22:53]	matey	"covid 19"
[22:53]	matey	"bill gates dna"
[22:53]	matey	"nyan cat meme"
[22:53]	DaemonFC	Hopefully, I save at least a few people from a ticket and cost the city some money.
[22:54]	DaemonFC	People ask me why I have my GPS app open when I'm just driving around places I know. I say it's to remind me about red light cameras and cops.
[22:55]	bnchs	ok
[22:55]	bnchs	even if he was made in a lab
[22:55]	DaemonFC	I'm certain I would have gotten at least SOME automated tickets by now if it wasn't for the warnings that I'm approaching the camera. Gives me time enough to slow down to pass the camera and then speed back up again.
[22:55]	bnchs	spit into the DNA
[22:55]	bnchs	maybe piss on it
[22:55]	bnchs	then put it back
[22:58]	matey	/me would rather see the world become an enlightened army against bullshit
[22:58]	matey	granted, its a long shot! and im a pessimist
[22:58]	matey	a VERY long shot. it would  make mars seem like it was next door
[22:58]	DaemonFC	I'm sure my DNA is fairly resilient. Most of my grandparents took terrible care of themselves, especially later in life.
[22:58]	matey	which it is, sort of.
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 41.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 321.93
[22:59]	DaemonFC	They make it to their late 80s. One of my grandmothers is still alive. She's 90.
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[22:59]	DaemonFC	My great-grandparents made it into their 80s and 90s despite no access to modern medicine.
[22:59]	bnchs	i want to live to see bill gates publicly executed
[22:59]	bnchs	it will make my life
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[23:01]	psydruid	he has a son - mini bill gates
[23:03]	DaemonFC	Instead of lowering the price of gas in Crook County, they hold raffles to see who gets to make it to work for a few weeks. (Gas card lottery.)
[23:03]	activelow	here is the difference: early Z80 era systems, BASIC, asm hacking, hardware development, computer algebra, hayes 300, ... all of this is still relevant
[23:04]	activelow	modern ms windows, and most of the "free software", aren't anymore; that's another fundemental difference
[23:05]	activelow	i mean, the Altair BASIC paper tape inside a museum somehwere, that's more free and open than most of what got a free software license smeared onto
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[23:05]	activelow	oh, matey seems to have missed my last comment
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[23:14]	matey	 < activelow> i mean, the Altair BASIC paper tape inside a museum somehwere, that's more free and open <-
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[23:15]	matey	of note is they put code together that they fished out of a skip when software was copyrightable and protected only by nda
[23:16]	matey	and that they lobbied to make the industry hate hobbyist code, which was sheer hypocrisy
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[23:16]	matey	as hobbyists often do better, more honest work than microsoft does-- and they talked like it was "piracy"
[23:16]	matey	free software licenses arent the worst thing about free software by far
[23:17]	matey	the biggest problem free software has is people who pretend to give a shit.
[23:17]	matey	if not for them, microsoft would be dying in agony right now
[23:18]	matey	granted, microsoft is still the aggressor. we cant blame the victim like EVERYTHING is their fault
[23:18]	matey	though people that pretend to give a shit are still the biggest problem we have.
[23:18]	matey	and probably the main thing standing between us and victory
[23:19]	matey	"us" being i dont know, as most people who do care have given up and are waiting for a sign
[23:19]		*psydruid rounds up the collaborators and summarily executes them
[23:20]	matey	i mean github already has them corralled
[23:20]	psydruid	Microsoft has an army of MVPs that keep the company's malware in place
[23:21]	matey	no question
[23:23]	matey	free software used to be about saying no to being controlled
[23:23]	matey	but giafam has made a series of offers that the movement apparently cant refuse
[23:24]	matey	the best way to quantify the movement itself is to watch projects closely enough to see who is bullshitting and who is fighting
[23:24]	matey	and most people? are just coding and talking the talk.
[23:25]	matey	meanwhile the entire movement continues to drift towards corporate control
[23:25]	matey	sorry, corporate control is not freedom
[23:25]	matey	it wasnt before, and they only pretend it is now
[23:25]	psydruid	the thing is that are just writing bs code
[23:25]	psydruid	that they*
[23:25]	matey	i wont even go that far, because im not a huge critic of code
[23:25]	matey	i let people who know more about code quality do that
[23:26]	matey	i critique projects based on goals and integrity
[23:26]	matey	and let people who know how to write really good code sort out whats bs
[23:27]	matey	anything based on github is making a huge compromise
[23:27]	activelow	^ try to compile an entire GNU/Linux distro with TinyCC
[23:27]	matey	anything based at ibm is debatably making an even larger one
[23:27]	matey	<activelow> ^ try to compile an entire GNU/Linux distro with TinyCC <- no one is going to maintain a free-as-in-freedom linux kernel, not even you
[23:28]	matey	this isnt a critique of your project, just the linux kernel
[23:28]	matey	your project is cool enough
[23:29]	activelow	reminds me, haven't got any TeX system yet inside BaphometOS base system
[23:29]	matey	one of my associates is a huge fan of tex
[23:29]	matey	i cant say much about it since ive never used it
[23:30]	matey	i used to think libreoffice would do well enough for us non-wizards
[23:30]	matey	but i see libreoffice as destined to be taken over entirely by collabora
[23:31]	matey	which means its fate is bound to gnome
[23:31]	matey	hopefully im wrong. either way, the document foundation are dicks
[23:31]	activelow	any X11/GTK3 related components cannot remain inside bapho base system anyway
[23:32]	psydruid	does the document foundation standardize odf?
[23:32]	matey	does the document foundation standardize odf? <- seems likely, but since i dont know i can only guess
[23:32]	matey	i really dont care about odf
[23:32]	matey	i know i "should" but if i ask "why" i have no answer
[23:32]	matey	its one of those "shoulds" that work out to "just because"
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[23:33]	psydruid	I use it because I can still open the files in 10 years
[23:33]	matey	odf is a response to industry, in the way that militant atheism is a response to superficial bastardisation of religiious texts
[23:33]	activelow	the alternative to ms office wasn't libreoffice, it was TeX
[23:33]	psydruid	but generally I prefer TeX for text processing
[23:34]	matey	<psydruid> I use it because I can still open the files in 10 years <- i would prefer to use something more readable
[23:34]	matey	i mean i have years of html crap for example
[23:35]	matey	html (mine at least) is a lot cleaner than the xml in an odf document
[23:35]	activelow	btw, epson 9pin printing is maintained too with baphometos; re-integrated lprng even (although not necessary to have a spooler with matrix printers)
[23:35]	matey	btw, epson 9pin printing is maintained too <- aww, my first (technically second) printer
[23:35]	activelow	too, Epson supports some bitmap format, to plot diagrams and illustrations with
[23:36]	matey	my first printer was a wee thermal attached to an 8 bit machine
[23:36]	matey	it was thoroughly useless, but so cool that i didnt care it only produced (literally) rubbish
[23:36]	activelow	well, yes, printing subsystem with CUPS was removed too; however the power of fanfeed plotters is underestimated, and their importance
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[23:36]	matey	however the power of fanfeed plotters is underestimated, and their importance <- indeed
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[23:37]	activelow	it wasn't that much effort, some config and script for a clean formatted output of text
[23:37]	matey	my epson 9 pin was the coolest thing ever
[23:37]	activelow	works with mutt mailer to
[23:37]	matey	it wasn't that much effort <- it shouldnt be, you could build the interface from discrete parts
[23:37]	matey	not that any sane person would
[23:38]	matey	well, a couple might
[23:38]	activelow	Epson still produces them; the former east-german manufacturing is defunct
[23:38]	matey	and rms would shit on them in favor of some fly-by-night with an fpga and a bunch of configuration shit on github
[23:39]	matey	epson > hp
[23:39]	matey	fuck hp
[23:39]	matey	/me gets surgery to have additional middle fingers to hold up at hp
[23:40]	matey	fuck you, linus (and nvidia too)
[23:40]	activelow	need to place this on TODO: TeX output rendering of math formulas, diagrams, illustrations into epson bitmap
[23:40]	activelow	with gnuplot there was some issue remaining to keep it inside the c-only base system profile
[23:40]	matey	figures
[23:41]	matey	somehow im not surprised that gnuplot is part of the gnu plot
[23:42]	activelow	maybe, gemini authoring, can be integrated with TeX and 9pin matrix printing; for scientific papers etc.
[23:43]	activelow	illustrations, diagrams, maths formulas, that's important, with computers
[23:44]	activelow	so far, the framebuffer-only console of BaphometOS has limitations, such as web browsers (lynx, w3m, links etc)
[23:44]	activelow	with both, scientific authoring, and electronic publication (screen rendering), and printing onto matrix plotters
[23:45]	activelow	nonetheless, with baphometos i got www, irc, mail, printing, and anything which can be programmed with C, python (maybe fortran too if need be)
[23:47]	matey	 8CTO & co-founder, Invoca; co-founder, Gnuplot https://gist.github.com/ColinDKelley
[23:47]	TR Bot	 ColinDKelleys gists GitHub
[23:48]	matey	126 contributions in the last year (although none of them are to his own repos, so props there)
[23:48]	matey	he stopped "contributing" to his own repos in dec 2016
[23:53]	psydruid	because there is no money in free software?
[23:54]	matey	hopefully, because after 2016 he realised that he was consorting with the enemy
[23:54]	matey	i never look into what the "126 contributions in the past year" were of course
[23:55]	matey	maybe he deleted 126 icons in different html files.
[23:55]	matey	the resolution of that information is too fine to be useful to me
[23:56]	matey	theres a funny problem in getting the perimeter of a landmass
[23:56]	matey	the finer the resolution, the bigger the perimeter gets
[23:57]	matey	because of all the little nooks and crannies
[23:58]	psydruid	I'm just wondering if the fundamental problem with free software as a business model, which it isn't, is that there isn't enough money to sustain bloated, unreliable and insecure software stacks for very many developers to stay employed working on those
[23:59]	psydruid	and all the defections are caused by a need or willingness to sell out
[23:59]	matey	is that there isn't enough money to sustain bloated, unreliable and insecure software stacks for very many developers to stay employed working on those <- at this point im convinced that free software and capitalism cannot have a working relationship
[23:59]	matey	these days all attempts to continue one seem to be based on politely ignoring reality
[23:59]	matey	in terms of ideology, free software is NOT opposed to capitalism. and im ok with that