one option is to always choose similar models
[18:29] MinceR most of them in budapest drive even more dangerously than the average idiot
[18:29] DaemonFC Hertz lets you rent something then get down there and they change it on you because they don't actually have it, then you return the car and they report you stole it to the cops.
[18:29] MinceR and they're hideously overpriced
[18:29] schestowitz_TR2 MinceR: even if you own a car you have to share a road with them
[18:29] DaemonFC Herts donut?
[18:29] DaemonFC :P
[18:29] MinceR yeah
[18:29] schestowitz_TR2 they are "aggressive drivers"
[18:29] MinceR one more reason to own a massive SUV
[18:29] schestowitz_TR2 not defensive
[18:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-01.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-02.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:30] MinceR easier to spot by functionally blind drivers and more difficult to crush
[18:30] DaemonFC The only thing I'm really super picky about is my drinking water.
[18:30] DaemonFC Before I filter it, I have a digital thermometer and I run the tap until it's as cold as it's going to get.
[18:31] TR News "As a user of the web I spend a lot of my time either disappointed or frustrated with sites I visit. After watching a movie I might hop over to the relevant Fandom page to learn about a character but instead get an irrelevant video taking up the entire screen." gemini://space.matthewphillips.info/posts/reader-friendly-browser/
[18:31] DaemonFC That way I know it's coming from the outside line and hasn't been sitting in the building's plumbing for who knows how long.
[18:31] TR News 2022-06-02 SpellBinding: EGLYOTM Wordo: HAZED gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-06-02.gmi
[18:32] DaemonFC You can kind of guess. It takes between 30 and 60 seconds, but I don't want to waste a ton of water if someone else has already been running the tap in the building.
[18:32] DaemonFC I just want to flush the stuff that's been in the building's pipes for a while.
[18:32] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22052351
[18:32] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/mckyk42ll8091.jpg created on 2022-05-23 18:59:20.765036
[18:32] DaemonFC It has an interesting effect on lead readings.
[18:33] DaemonFC Lots of cities have lead service lines, but not mains, so the lead contamination mainly happens on the service lines to each building.
[18:33] TR News "Waiting for some paperwork and burocracy to get resolved, until then I can't really travel anywhere so this is a bummer because I need to make plans to go to HOPE in NY end of July and visit friends and hackers in the US." gemini://rek2.hispagatos.org/posts/2022-06-02-June-weather.gmi
[18:34] DaemonFC The EPA requires that they sample houses to make sure that the water is not corroding the service line and putting in too much lead, so cities instruct people to run the tap before collecting the samples. Because what that will do is get 90% of the lead out and cause fewer violating readings to report to the feds.
[18:34] DaemonFC But if you don't actually use the tap like that, you could be bringing in a lot of lead without realizing it.
[18:35] schestowitz_TR2 DaemonFC: your country uses up a lot of metal
[18:35] schestowitz_TR2 to make bombs and stuff
[18:35] DaemonFC That's how you can get like, 60 parts per billion (violation) down to 6 ppb (which is lower than the 15 ppb cutoff).
[18:35] schestowitz_TR2 at expense to taxpayersa
[18:35] schestowitz_TR2 it should make more pipes
[18:35] schestowitz_TR2 not pipe bombs
[18:35] schestowitz_TR2 and replace old pipes
[18:35] schestowitz_TR2 that will save many lives
[18:35] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, They're repleacing the lead service lines, but it's happening too slowly.
[18:36] schestowitz_TR2 yeah
[18:36] DaemonFC They won't all be gone for another 20 or 30 years at this rate.
[18:36] schestowitz_TR2 sucks
[18:36] schestowitz_TR2 and
[18:36] schestowitz_TR2 worst part
[18:36] schestowitz_TR2 there is no workaround
[18:36] schestowitz_TR2 you cannot teleport water from luzern
[18:36] schestowitz_TR2 you can buy bottled stuff
[18:36] schestowitz_TR2 but that has its own issue and cost
[18:36] DaemonFC The only workaround is to flush the faucet before you gather water, and then filter it as well.
[18:36] schestowitz_TR2 water is something you must take in
[18:36] DaemonFC If you use a Brita tap, this is easy too.
[18:37] DaemonFC Run cold water through the bypass for about 60 seconds before engaging the filter and gathering water.
[18:37] schestowitz_TR2 it's a mitigation strategy
[18:37] DaemonFC It'll make the filter more effective too.
[18:37] schestowitz_TR2 in turkey we were told not to drink tap water
[18:37] DaemonFC Because the water won't have so much lead or other "pipe crap" like copper, zinc, sediment.
[18:38] DaemonFC We definitely have something wrong with the building plumbing here.
[18:38] schestowitz_TR2 usa inc.
[18:38] schestowitz_TR2 $22 billion for hololons
[18:38] schestowitz_TR2 not even 22 MILLION for pipes
[18:38] DaemonFC I taste copper and zinc in unfiltered tap if I don't flush it.
[18:38] DaemonFC So I flush, then filter.
[18:38] schestowitz_TR2 bailing out Microsoft (graft) a lot more important
[18:39] DaemonFC By the time I flush it's no so much a heavy metals problem as it is chlorine, TTHMs, and other stuff a Brita is pretty good at getting rid of.
[18:39] schestowitz_TR2 so they say
[18:39] schestowitz_TR2 don't trust marketing too much
[18:39] schestowitz_TR2 they make a lot of money
[18:39] schestowitz_TR2 and spend some of it on image and reputation management
[18:39] DaemonFC I know about what most of the "bad taste stuff" tastes like. Unfiltered, unflushed, we're dealing with chlorine, TTHMs, copper, and zinc, for sure.
[18:39] DaemonFC But that's what I can taste.
[18:40] schestowitz_TR2 dusty water is common too
[18:40] schestowitz_TR2 assuming it is just dust
[18:40] schestowitz_TR2 and then you let the dust "settle"
[18:40] DaemonFC That's why even the basic Britas are good on 5 contaminants and it includes those.
[18:40] schestowitz_TR2 at the bottom
[18:40] DaemonFC Almost all tap water in the US has a problem with those.
[18:40] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1857804
[18:40] TR Bot Tim Hortons coffee app broke law by constantly recording users movements | Ars Technica
[18:41] schestowitz_TR2 just THAT?
[18:41] schestowitz_TR2 MOST "apps" do this
[18:41] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, We're suing Google too.
[18:41] schestowitz_TR2 is Cnanada more strict?
[18:41] DaemonFC They say expect another $300-400 each later this year.
[18:41] DaemonFC Same reason as Facebook.
[18:41] schestowitz_TR2 Sanddbag is leaving FB
[18:41] schestowitz_TR2 so you know FB is going down the drain
[18:41] schestowitz_TR2 if even the deputy leaves
[18:42] schestowitz_TR2 COO
[18:42] DaemonFC UPS wants me to sign for my BOSE system so they can just drop it on the porch to get stolen and I have no recourse if that happens.
[18:42] schestowitz_TR2 Musk may have halved thew value of Twitter
[18:42] schestowitz_TR2 like Carl Icahn
[18:42] schestowitz_TR2 Carl IMusk
[18:42] DaemonFC The other day, it didn't take someone 10 minutes to steal my $9 Mach 3 starter kit.
[18:43] DaemonFC I wonder how long a package that says BOSE on it would last out there.
[18:43] schestowitz_TR2 Mach 3 is money down the drain
[18:43] DaemonFC It works pretty well. I don't like the Fusion 5 though.
[18:43] schestowitz_TR2 try fusion 15
[18:43] schestowitz_TR2 or 50
[18:44] DaemonFC It's too wide and I have trouble shaving at that point.
[18:44] schestowitz_TR2 it's like multi-core processors
[18:44] schestowitz_TR2 where 99% of the time 99% of the capacity is idling
[18:45] DaemonFC It's what you do instead of designing cores that are more efficient.
[18:45] DaemonFC Just put hundreds of cores on there.
[18:45] schestowitz_TR2 software has obesity crisis
[18:45] schestowitz_TR2 they keep fatteening it
[18:45] DaemonFC Have most of them run some unimportant low priority task for lack of anything else.
[18:46] schestowitz_TR2 you can run a desktop today on 2 triple A batteries
[18:46] schestowitz_TR2 or AA
[18:46] schestowitz_TR2 ot one 9 voldt battery
[18:46] schestowitz_TR2 if you wanted
[18:46] schestowitz_TR2 the screen would be the power hog
[18:46] schestowitz_TR2 but then you have eink
[18:46] schestowitz_TR2 if you type or read you barely redraw anything
[18:47] schestowitz_TR2 "bur yoy!! there's no money in it!"
[18:47] schestowitz_TR2 "are you trying to destory the market!"
[18:48] schestowitz_TR2 "think about all the jobs lost!!'
[18:48] schestowitz it doesn't make stuffhttps://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/31/smlu-m31.html
[18:49] schestowitz_TR2 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/31/smlu-m31.html
[18:49] TR Bot Officials, media spread complacency as US enters third summer of COVID infections and death - World Socialist Web Site
[18:49] schestowitz_TR2 UK also
[18:49] schestowitz_TR2 I am going to check "WHAT'S LEFT" of remanining data
[18:50] schestowitz_TR2 they publish updates only Mondays and Thurd
[18:54] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, There's only really two effective ways to fight a larger opponent and win. Surprise and sustained harassment.
[18:54] DaemonFC Going by what I was posting earlier.
[18:54] DaemonFC Those are the only two methods that work.
[18:55] DaemonFC If you can't sustain a harassment campaign, you want something that surprises and shocks them so much that they become demoralized and give up quickly.
[18:56] DaemonFC But the more you do that, the more likely it is to backfire, because they can become recalcitrant instead. More determined to fight you no matter what the cost.
[18:56] DaemonFC You have to kind of get a feel for who they are and what they've done in the past.
[18:58] DaemonFC Some people will give up and become compliant/cut their losses (pushovers) and some people become more determined to send a message even if defeating you exacts a terrible cost on themselves.
[18:58] DaemonFC Generally when you fight nation states, the ones that hold out the longest are the failed democracies and dictatorships.
[18:58] DaemonFC Putin doesn't suffer because nobody in Russia is in a real position to get rid of him through democracy.
[18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 14.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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[19:00] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165547
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[19:00] DaemonFC The US eventually gave up in Afghanistan because the political cost was becoming too high. You can get away with squandering resources on wars you lost a long time ago in a democracy, sometimes. As long as you have a media that's willing to distract with something else, or things are going so well that the war is considered an unimportant excess and it's someone else's kids dying in it anyway.
[19:01] DaemonFC You confuse failed democracy and badly informed and selfish public doing the voting.
[19:01] DaemonFC The US hasn't lost democracy. It has selfish idiots doing most of the voting.
[19:02] DaemonFC Idiots are easy to control. You distract them and make them angry at someone else.
[19:02] TR News links-02062022 | Gemini address: links-02062022
[19:02] DaemonFC Selfish people are even easier. You say you vote for me and we'll forgive those student loans you took to study feminism and landed you as a Walmart cashier, and then we'll look into more welfare for all of your illegitimate kids, and free internet so you can watch porn on it.
[19:03] TR News Links 02/06/2022: Godot 4.0 Alpha 9 and GNOME 42.2 Release | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/02/gnome-42-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/02/gnome-42-2/
[19:03] TR Bot Links 02/06/2022: Godot 4.0 Alpha 9 and GNOME 42.2 Release | Techrights
[19:03] DaemonFC And so you have the Republican Party and the Democrat Party wrapped up with those.
[19:03] DaemonFC Which explains the system.
[19:03] DaemonFC The worse the breakdown of the economy gets, the easier it is to gain political support even though you did that.
[19:04] DaemonFC With the trade deals and moral hazard welfare programs, and Keynesian Economics.
[19:05] DaemonFC Everyone who wants the economy to do well and there to be lots of good jobs again so there's a tax base to balance budgets with and work on infrastructure with is portrayed as some sort of lunatic.
[19:05] TR News It's 7PM already. It's Thursday. The British government failed to release its weekly mortality report. :/ https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2021-to-2022
[19:05] TR Bot all-cause mortality surveillance: 2021 to 2022 - GOV.UK
[19:05] DaemonFC Nobody wants that because they'd have to go pay their own way again and it's easier to go kayaking while the Governor won't let your landlord do anything to you and so he takes it out on the people paying him instead.
[19:07] TR News "Latest data provided on 27 May 2022" SERIOUSLY? WTF???? That's SIX days ago. Months ago updates were daily, even during weekends! https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
[19:07] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ )
[19:07] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, It's a nation of hypocrisy. You have to be a good Christian that's sticking cigars in your intern's pussy and everyone wants good jobs, except they don't want to work.
[19:08] DaemonFC You stick a gay Atheist up there who is being faithful to his spouse and actually would fix this mess, they'll destroy him at the polls.
[19:08] TR News "In line with weekday only reporting, the dashboard will not be updated over the bank holiday weekend. Following the update on Wednesday 1 June, the next update will be on Monday 6 June." WHAT? DA? FORK?? https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England
[19:08] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England )
[19:08] DaemonFC Our society works based on the "Just say the shit everyone wants to hear." principle.
[19:09] DaemonFC You don't even have to mean it. They may even know better.
[19:09] DaemonFC But you still have to check the boxes.
[19:09] DaemonFC This is why social rules are stupid.
[19:09] TR News UK COVID-19 policy in summer 2022 in two words: HIDE STUFF.
[19:10] DaemonFC I will never know how such an openly corrupt man as Trump got the conservative Christian vote if any of them actually mean what they say.
[19:11] DaemonFC The guy is most of the seven deadly sins in one guy and it's all right there. No pretending to deny any of it.
[19:11] TR News UK now at around 197,000 deaths with "COVID-19" named in the death certificate.
[19:11] DaemonFC Just silencing people with NDAs and then suing them to get the money back.
[19:12] DaemonFC I think the adultery is what sickens me the most, although it's hard to pick any one thing.
[19:13] DaemonFC I see violating your marriage vows as like one notch up from molesting children.
[19:13] DaemonFC You should be so repulsed with yourself for even considering it that it should provoke the same sense of disgust as the thought of cutting off your own arm.
[19:15] DaemonFC People have children and the arrogance is just astounding. "I'll be so much better at this than everyone else!" and then you realize it takes work, and you don't want to do the work, so you just burn it all down and go fuck some truck driver you went to high school with.
[19:15] DaemonFC That's what happened in my house. My parents are like the best example of the Dunning-Kruger concept I can point a finger at.
[19:16] DaemonFC They overrate their own abilities constantly and it always leads to bad decisions.
[19:16] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, Dad and Jan apparently sold off the Buick when he retired and kept a cheap Chevy.
[19:17] DaemonFC I would have sold the Chevy, kept the Buick, honestly.
[19:17] DaemonFC Most people don't make as much in retirement, so if the Buick's paid off and it's got a better long term reliability score, why would you get rid of that one?
[19:17] TR News Is COVID-19 at new lows in UK? No! The TESTING (i.e. visibility of the virus) had reached new lows https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
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[19:18] DaemonFC All things being equal, I'd pick the one that was more likely to get me around for a while with less ongoing problems.
[19:18] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/02/6g-hype-begins-despite-fact-5g-hasnt-finished-disappointing-us-yet/
[19:18] TR Bot Hype Begins Despite Fact 5G Hasnt Finished Disappointing Us Yet | Techdirt
[19:18] DaemonFC When you only have one car, it becomes a big problem if something happens and it has to go in the shop for a while.
[19:19] DaemonFC Most mechanical problems can be solved on my Buick in a single day.
[19:19] DaemonFC Like the Impala.
[19:19] DaemonFC It makes it easier to at least plan downtime in order to deal with it. If Mandy has to call in, I'd rather it be for 1 day than have a car that is so complex that they need it for 3-4
[19:22] DaemonFC That's what sucks. When you get one of these modern cars and it not only costs a fortune to work on it, but it starts causing you to call into work too.
[19:34] AdmFubar not to mention all the spying the newer cars do on you.
[19:34] TR News "In this episode, Jay and Joao unpack some recent news around the BVP47 vulnerability, and some very interesting details around it and how it came to be. This is one of those "spy thriller" type episodes, so don't miss it!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8p9zBb_cCWY
[19:34] TR Bot Enterprise Linux Security Episode 29 - High Level Threats - Invidious
[19:34] TR News Linux Lite 6.0 overview | Simple Fast Free. - Invidious ![]()
[19:34] TR Bot Linux Lite 6.0 overview | Simple Fast Free. - Invidious
[19:34] TR News "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Linux Lite 6.0 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DDJ2-4Jgevc
[19:35] TR News Mobile GNOME, Deepin 20.6, elementary OS 7, Mint takes over Timeshift - Linux and open source news - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MdNNkJ_0x_I Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
[19:35] TR Bot Mobile GNOME, Deepin 20.6, elementary OS 7, Mint takes over Timeshift - Linux and open source news - Invidious
[19:39] TR News 'Linux' Foundation has just done it again. http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/the-linux-foundation-politics/ see http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/lf-politics.png and http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation
[19:40] TR Bot The Linux Foundation Has Turned Its Blog (and the Linux.com Web Site) Into Politics (Updated) | Techrights
[19:40] TR Bot Linux Foundation - Techrights
[19:41] TR News Linux Foundation: only racists and bigots and sexists and blah blah blah would oppose our toxic, imperialistic agenda that favours bombing people and engaging in large-scale espionage. And issuing PR for Microsoft amid serious crimes...
[19:42] TR News Linux Foundation: military-grade propaganda, brought to you by PEOPLE WHO DO NOT EVEN USE LINUX http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/
[19:42] TR Bot Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights
[19:43] TR News BSDNow: "Journey to ZFS RAIDZ1 on NetBSD, FreeBSD networking basics: WiFi and Bluetooth, smuggling code into the playstation via NetBSD driver hole, KDE FreeBSD CI, remembering buildtool, and more" https://www.bsdnow.tv/457
[19:43] TR Bot BSD Now 457: The NetBSD Wheelbarrow
[19:48] TR News Based on latest available figures, about 100 people per day die in the UK with COVID-19 in their death certificate. That's a pace of 36,500 per year.
[19:49] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165548
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[19:50] TR News Serious delays with critical Tails release this week
[19:55] TR News "Our thoughts on NixOS' new GUI installer, winning hearts and minds one firmware update at a time, the performance bug that hit Linux 5.18, and preparation begins for the open-source NVIDIA driver." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148792/linux-action-news-243/
[19:55] TR Bot Linux Action News 243 | Jupiter Broadcasting
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[20:02] TR News This title should mention systemd explicitly https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/store-linux-system-journals
[20:02] TR Bot How to configure your system to preserve system logs after a reboot | Enable Sysadmin
[20:10] TR News "At the time of writing (2022), many potent threats to digital sovereignty, both online and offline, come from from American companies. This may change in the future." http://techrights.org/wiki/High-Priority_Opponents
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[20:11] TR News Shows and Videos: Linux Action News, TLLTS, BSD Now, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165549
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[20:42] TR News You Can Now Pre-Order the HP Dev One Linux Laptop Powered by Pop!_OS Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165551
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[20:43] TR News #HowTo Install FFmpeg in Ubuntu and Other Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165552
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[20:46] DaemonFC Mandy never missed a day of work due to the Impala.
[20:46] DaemonFC Even when it needed the intakes replaced.
[20:46] schestowitz_TR2 i never missed a day of work in 11.5 years:-)
[20:46] schestowitz_TR2 no illness or absence
[20:47] DaemonFC I only had one major breakdown in 21 years despite driving old cars.
[20:47] DaemonFC I keep up on the maintenance and I don't mistreat them.
[20:47] DaemonFC Even the car that had a major breakdown ended up being pretty cheap to repair.
[20:48] DaemonFC I had AAA tow me to a shade tree mechanic I knew in Huntington and he sorted out the mess pretty fast.
[20:48] DaemonFC That was nice of him.
[20:48] DaemonFC It was a friend so he just said bring him the parts and a case of beer and we'd get cracking.
[20:48] TR News FFS, xda!! Stop shilling WSL for every single laptop in your list. WSL is an ATTACK on GNU/Linux. https://www.xda-developers.com/does-dell-latitude-5430-linux/
[20:48] TR Bot Does the Dell Latitude 5430 run Linux? Can you install it?
[20:48] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/If-only-we-had-noses.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-if-only-we-had-noses#comic )
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[20:48] DaemonFC Dodged a bullet with that one.
[20:49] DaemonFC If the same thing happened on the Impala or Buick I'd be looking at about a $1,500 repair bill at a shop today.
[20:50] DaemonFC The entire drive belt system fucked up all at once. It was like getting hit by lightning back to back.
[20:50] TR News Seems like now that Qt is proprietary nobody want to talk for them https://www.qt.io/blog/call-for-presentations-qt-world-summit-2022-deadline-extension
[20:50] TR Bot DEADLINE EXTENDED Call for Presentations: Qt World Summit 2022
[20:51] DaemonFC The Idler seized up. Kept running the belt over it long enough for the belt to ruin the belt tensioner and the water pump.
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[20:51] TR News SmartOS 20220602 is out http://smartos.org/
[20:51] TR Bot SmartOS | Joyent
[20:51] DaemonFC Then the belt snapped, so the car overheated and then lost electrical power and steering and everything. I went into Neutral and shut it off and coasted to the side of the road.
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[20:52] DaemonFC That was the Taurus. But since the engine was all cast iron, it didn't get seriously damaged from the overheat.
[20:53] DaemonFC After the water pump, pulleys, and belt were replaced, the car worked perfectly fine until I sold it 8 years later, and I kept seeing the woman I sold it to driving it around town occasionally for at least another 3 years after that.
[20:53] DaemonFC I don't know how long it ran after that because that's when I moved.
[20:53] DaemonFC I missed work because I was on the way to work when it happened.
[20:53] TR News Whoa! "CVSS v3 10.0" (10 out of 10) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-153-02
[20:53] TR Bot Illumina Local Run Manager | CISA
[20:54] DaemonFC So I had to call off for two days. Other than that, the Taurus got me around for 8 years with some occasional nonsense going on.
[20:54] DaemonFC I had to replace the radiator. That was pretty cheap too.
[20:54] DaemonFC You can get them from China. They work fine.
[20:55] DaemonFC A cheapo no-name Chinese radiator is better than a rusted out Ford radiator that's leaking half a gallon of coolant every day.
[20:55] DaemonFC B-)
[20:56] DaemonFC I didn't let it go on like that long. I poured enough in to get my by for a few days until my weekend and then I took it down to the shop.
[20:56] DaemonFC I've always been skeptical of "new" things, schestowitz_TR2
[20:56] TR News CVSS v3 10.0 also... but the media is obsessing over "Linux"... because some fools ACTIVELY install malware on it and run it https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-153-01
[20:56] TR Bot Carrier LenelS2 HID Mercury access panels | CISA
[20:56] DaemonFC And usually for good reason.
[20:57] DaemonFC Engineers release something that worked great in a lab and it doesn't always work out so well in the real world.
[20:57] DaemonFC Like all those problems everyone else had with Organic Acid Technology coolants.
[20:57] DaemonFC I, on the other hand, never used OAT engine coolant until the Buick, and even then, I had them super flush it and replace it with fresh OAT coolant.
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[20:58] DaemonFC It's DexCool. There's nothing wrong with Dexcool except that some people are idiots and they dump some random crap they bought at Walmart in to top off the tank.
[20:58] DaemonFC Or don't get it flushed every 5 years. (Or both.)
[20:58] DaemonFC If you need to top off your DexCool in between flushes, you top it off with DexCool!
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[20:59] DaemonFC You DO NOT BUY "All Makes, All Models", Green, etc.
[20:59] DaemonFC Or there will be trouble.
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[21:00] DaemonFC What happens when you mix incompatible engine coolants is all sorts of horrible things, and they don't happen immediately. They happen in the months and years after you do that.
[21:00] DaemonFC It causes corrosion, sludge, all sorts of things you don't want.
[21:00] DaemonFC "DexCool Only" was not a "recommendation".
[21:01] DaemonFC They said to do that because when you mix, you will destroy the system and maybe damage something beyond repair.
[21:01] DaemonFC Like, even the engine.
[21:01] DaemonFC Rare that it goes THAT far, but it can.
[21:01] DaemonFC Depends on how bad things get.
[21:02] DaemonFC Besides, with what mechanics and parts cost these days, it's not like you want to go around replacing coolant pipes, water pump, the heater core, the radiator, hoses....
[21:02] DaemonFC Some things will happen eventually no matter what you do, but you don't have to accelerate that.
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[21:04] DaemonFC You can change the coolant from DexCool to whatever you want, but there's no point in doing so. You have to be so careful that you don't leave any DexCool in that the cost of paying someone to stand there and transition the system over properly would really get away from you fast, and for no real benefit.
[21:06] DaemonFC There's YouTube videos of people flushing out the system like 7 or 8 times with a few of those being "with flushing chemicals", and so you'd be at it for a month as a DIY project if you know how to and you're that patient.
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[21:06] DaemonFC If you're remaining with the OEM coolant type, typically you drain everything, then run water with a flush chemical, then drain, then water, then new coolant.
[21:07] DaemonFC And you can get it all done in about an hour or two because if 3-4% of the old stuff is still in there somehow, it's not the end of the world.
[21:08] DaemonFC I ended up having to get two flushes on the Buick because the lady let it get so nasty it was like someone shit in the coolant tank.
[21:08] DaemonFC The first flush changed it from brown to orange with some brown, and ended up causing the heater to fail due to obstruction.
[21:09] DaemonFC Then the next flush ended up being four hours long with Blue Devil (citric acid and some other stuff) with the heater running and the car idle to dissolve the sludge, then backflushing the heater core and radiator with a hose, then fill with new DexCool.
[21:09] DaemonFC It's bright neon orange now, like it should be.
[21:10] DaemonFC The heater will burn you out of the car and the engine operating temperature is looking really really good.
[21:10] DaemonFC I don't think that "Diane" did any serious harm. It was sludge, not corrosion.
[21:10] DaemonFC Which if anything just shows how much better DexCool is than "Green".
[21:11] DaemonFC That hillbilly on YouTube was wrong when he says nothing dissolves sludge from old DexCool. Blue Devil does.
[21:12] DaemonFC He was also wrong when he says all of them will do it at some point. If you flush the system every 5 years or 150,000 miles, and only use DexCool, it should never happen.
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[21:12] DaemonFC That's like saying if you feed someone a steady diet of the Heart Attack Grill at Las Vegas, they won't last very long.
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[21:13] DaemonFC So if you eat anything, you're heading for a major infarction in your 30s.
[21:13] DaemonFC :)
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[21:13] DaemonFC Most people don't eat rabbit food, and they last quite a while.
[21:14] DaemonFC There's some question as to what getting two more years at the end is worth.
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[21:14] DaemonFC Clint Eastwood (which is not a vegetarian) said "The only person who wants to be 100 is a 99 year old anyway.", but he's pushing 100.
[21:15] DaemonFC Most people eat normal stuff and live into their 70s, 80s, and 90s anyway.
[21:15] DaemonFC Sometimes longer.
[21:15] DaemonFC It's a question of how much you really want to live in a nursing home for a little longer.
[21:16] DaemonFC I'm not saying use that as a license to smoke or eat french fries cooked in lard every meal.
[21:16] DaemonFC But most people don't need to worry all that much.
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[21:17] DaemonFC Many of the people who get diabetes for example have really shitty genes or they pushed things so far that their body couldn't keep up in any realistic situation, like they're 350 pounds and using a grabber to get fudgy dingaling bars off the shelf from their Rascal scooter.
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[21:18] DaemonFC The fact that there is so much diabetes in first world countries now goes back to a moral hazard. Two, actually.
[21:19] DaemonFC And both are caused by failure to adhere to Libertarian economic principles in the macro economy.
[21:19] DaemonFC The government dumps enormous subsidies into junk, while causing the premium to buy something healthy instead to soar.
[21:20] DaemonFC Then they dump money into health insurance, doctors, and medicine for poor people eating the junk, so they can go get on 12 different medications so their fat ass can go on living even though they're so fat they can't walk through a standard door anymore.
[21:20] DaemonFC That's the economy. Junk food and the medicine it necessitates.
[21:20] TR News Zero-day vuln in Microsoft Office: 'Follina' will work even when macros are disabled https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/30/follina_microsoft_office_vulnerability/
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[21:21] DaemonFC If you took away the perversions of economics then things would gravitate towards people eating less, people eating healthier stuff because the spread wasn't favoring ramen noodles anymore, and the "Oh fuck it, the government will pay when I get sick." factor wouldn't be there.
[21:21] DaemonFC Libertarianism can save the world.
[21:22] DaemonFC The government pays to keep wages down too.
[21:22] DaemonFC They prop up businesses that pay low wages by making the low wages work by giving the employees welfare programs.
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[21:23] DaemonFC Then they pay the low wage parasites to do that by cutting their taxes and saying it was for some bullshit metric like creating jobs that would have been created by market forces probably anyway (Amazon, Walmart), or giving them the money even if the jobs never happen (Foxconn in Wisconsin).
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[21:24] DaemonFC In some cases, government needs to manipulate the market for the greater good, but it's not often, it's not often.
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[21:25] DaemonFC Like, they should regulate drugs, food, and water for public safety. They should enforce living wage laws. They should make sure people don't get cheated by used car salesmen. Few people would disagree with that.
[21:26] DaemonFC But what we have going on now is effectively Chinese Communism except nobody sees it.
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[21:26] DaemonFC The government dumping subsidies into domestic corporations.
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[21:29] schestowitz_TR2 But what we have going on now is effectively Chinese Communism except nobody sees it.
[21:29] schestowitz_TR2 not communism
[21:29] schestowitz_TR2 more like state-run private sector
[21:29] schestowitz_TR2 fascism perhaps
[21:29] DaemonFC Yeah, it's terrible.
[21:29] schestowitz_TR2 and those corporations are an apparatus of the state and the army
[21:29] schestowitz_TR2 they just pick which ones
[21:29] DaemonFC I lean towards Libertarianism, but like, you know, not an extremist.
[21:29] schestowitz_TR2 like musk's
[21:29] DaemonFC There's got to be exceptions to everything.
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[21:30] schestowitz_TR2 "Musks company has been awarded billions of dollars in contracts to launch spy satellites for espionage, drone warfare and other military uses." https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/01/elon-musk-is-not-a-renegade-outside-hes-a-massive-pentagon-contractor/ | Source: Scheerpost
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[21:30] DaemonFC Elon Musk could never have gotten to where he is today under Libertarianism.
[21:30] DaemonFC They all like to say they can, but like 90% of his wealth or more is because he's a parasite on the taxpayers.
[21:31] DaemonFC You don't have a choice not to do business with Musk. The government passes laws that you have to give him your money anyway.
[21:31] DaemonFC Even when he does nothing for you.
[21:32] DaemonFC He's not a Libertarian. He styles himself as one but it's all just more of the Elon Musk Bullshit.
[21:33] DaemonFC I saw someone bashing a Wirecutter article about Berkey water filters. They're really expensive. Other people have exposed them for what they are with lab reports and independent journalism.
[21:33] DaemonFC It's pretty much a settled fact that you'd have to be the King of Stupid to do business with that company.
[21:33] DaemonFC So why does California have to ban them from doing business there?
[21:33] DaemonFC They've been so exposed that if you read up on the issue and inform yourself a bit, then they can't hide from you.
[21:34] DaemonFC It's like KIA. Eventually, their exploding shit-ass cars made the rounds all over the news and now nobody can say they weren't warned.
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[21:36] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, My mechanic asked me why I said I don't go to the car wash. I told him "I don't like to hire out for things that aren't that hard to do. It gets expensive, they typically don't lead to the best results.".
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[21:36] DaemonFC You pay three times as much to wash your car and it misses things because you're just on a conveyer belt with things spraying and slapping the exterior.
[21:37] DaemonFC Nobody gets inside the trim and washes that.
[21:37] schestowitz they have better equipmentr
[21:37] schestowitz I remember waxing our korean car when I was a teenager
[21:37] DaemonFC Nobody makes sure that the inside of your wheel wells are dirt-free.
[21:37] schestowitz it's tedious
[21:37] DaemonFC The waterless wash and wax kits are pretty easy.
[21:37] schestowitz anyway, why go so far off topic?
[21:38] DaemonFC You just divide the car into sections and don't be an idiot and scratch up your own car.
[21:38] DaemonFC Nobody else cares about the results you get when you hire something out.
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[21:38] DaemonFC I mean, they care about doing it well enough to get paid and maybe so they don't get a reputation for shitty work that puts them out of business eventually.
[21:38] DaemonFC But that's it.
[21:39] DaemonFC schestowitz, It goes to a lot of things really, including tech.
[21:39] DaemonFC The reason why proprietary software is abysmal is because of the same underlying fact.
[21:39] DaemonFC You're hiring out. They see improving it as an expense that's only necessary insofar as it works at all.
[21:40] DaemonFC And then they're done.
[21:40] DaemonFC It may or may not continue working.
[21:40] DaemonFC If they can make more money by deliberately fucking you at some point shortly after you bought it and there's few alternatives, they do that too.
[21:40] MinceR 02 223655 < DaemonFC> You pay three times as much to wash your car and it misses things because you're just on a conveyer belt with things spraying and slapping the exterior.
[21:41] MinceR there are manual car wash services
[21:41] DaemonFC Yeah, there's one on this end of town apparently.
[21:41] DaemonFC It's like Steve's Car Wash in Marion used to be before Marion got ghetto.
[21:41] DaemonFC I hear they do good work.
[21:41] DaemonFC It's on a belt but there's people in there detailing it at the same time, and when it's off the belt, they get the parts the machine missed by hand.
[21:42] DaemonFC Then wax it.
[21:42] buzzert > The government passes laws that you have to give him your
[21:42] buzzert such as?
[21:42] DaemonFC Like actual wax, not that garbage that they call wax at some places.
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[21:42] DaemonFC such as?
[21:42] DaemonFC Tesla subsidies for rich people for starters.
[21:42] DaemonFC SpaceX....
[21:42] buzzert what tesla subsidies for rich people?
[21:43] DaemonFC Tax exemptions that only rich people can pay an accountant to figure out how to game.
[21:43] DaemonFC The government subsidizes Teslas in multiple ways.
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[21:43] buzzert i'm not following. they're buying tesla cars for rich people?
[21:43] DaemonFC The two major ones are by taxing real cars from real companies and giving Tesla "refundable credits" for being allegedly "zero emission".
[21:43] DaemonFC And then there's the direct subsidies too.
[21:44] buzzert is that only for tesla? or for any EV car maker?
[21:44] DaemonFC Like Illinois paying rich people a $4,000 credit on their income tax to buy one.
[21:44] DaemonFC Well, if you make EVs and gasoline cars, you offset the CAFE penalties on the gasoline models and don't end up paying much to subsidize some other company's.
[21:45] buzzert _paying_ them to buy _tesla_ cars. i've never heard of this before.
[21:45] DaemonFC Which is why GM is trying to push electric hard now and Ford is getting in on it.
[21:45] buzzert oh, so it applies to GM and Ford also then?
[21:45] DaemonFC But it's still a tax on people who can't afford an EV.
[21:45] DaemonFC Because they're expensive and not practical.
[21:45] buzzert tax? i thought you said it was a credit?
[21:46] DaemonFC A credit comes from someone who does pay tax.
[21:46] DaemonFC You don't get something from nothing.
[21:46] buzzert a tax credit is permission to not pay tax
[21:46] buzzert definition: "an amount of money that can be offset against a tax liability."
[21:46] DaemonFC Which I don't recall allowing when the government was picking my pocket to fund that.
[21:47] buzzert are you able to tell the difference between EV tax credits and tax money going to Tesla?
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[21:48] buzzert you are also able to offset tax liability by donating to charity.
[21:48] buzzert that is not the same thing as charity == other people's money going to charity.
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[21:49] DaemonFC are you able to tell the difference between EV tax credits and tax money going to Tesla?
[21:49] DaemonFC Same effect.
[21:49] DaemonFC It's an indirect subsidy.
[21:50] DaemonFC It's bribing the customers with money which was stolen from me by the government, which ultimately benefits Tesla and Musk.
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[21:50] buzzert i think you're confused. this is the _absence_ of tax money, not a re-allocation.
[21:51] DaemonFC If you exempt some people and not others, then it's a corrupt benefit funded out of stolen money.
[21:51] buzzert you just said the tax credits apply to all EV makers?
[21:51] buzzert who is exempted?
[21:51] DaemonFC Not that I don't claim those on my taxes when I can, but they should all go away, and the rates should be lower for everyone.
[21:51] DaemonFC I'm just smart enough to call it what it is.
[21:51] DaemonFC It's a bad game everyone is forced to play.
[21:52] buzzert so you're saying all of the exemptions should go away AND rates should be lower?
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[21:52] DaemonFC What am I going to do? Not claim the ones I can and give the government more money than they say they are entitled to steal?
[21:52] DaemonFC Fuck no!
[21:52] DaemonFC so you're saying all of the exemptions should go away AND rates should be lower?
[21:52] DaemonFC Absolutely!
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[21:52] schestowitz_TR2 there is little difference between tax breaks and avoidance
[21:52] schestowitz_TR2 it's how they present it
[21:53] schestowitz_TR2 like bribery and "campaign contribution"
[21:53] schestowitz_TR2 Musk is plundering the public purse
[21:53] buzzert the tax credits are designed as an incentive for other companies to produce EVs. as you even said, it "pushed electric hard" and "Ford is getting in on it"
[21:53] buzzert so they are having the desired effect.
[21:53] schestowitz_TR2 EVs are shit
[21:53] buzzert it doesn't really have anything to do with Tesla, because they're an EV-only company.
[21:53] DaemonFC Not claiming my "credits" would be like if some guy smashed my window (the government), said all he wanted was my TV, and then I say "NO WAIT! Take the silverware too! And my stereo! And here's some cash I keep around just in case! I'd be remiss if I didn't point out you're not stealing EVERYTHING from me!"
[21:53] schestowitz_TR2 they replace working cars
[21:54] schestowitz_TR2 and the manufacturing blows up mouintains
[21:54] DaemonFC MinceR, ^
[21:54] schestowitz_TR2 and uses up welding
[21:54] schestowitz_TR2 also, those cars need energy
[21:54] DaemonFC MinceR probably agrees with my assessment of taxation.
[21:54] schestowitz_TR2 it typically comes from coal or similar
[21:54] schestowitz_TR2 if you want "green", improve the liftime of cars
[21:54] schestowitz_TR2 tesla shite will not age well into 10 years
[21:54] schestowitz_TR2 with all those chipsets everywhere
[21:54] DaemonFC tesla shite will not age well into 10 years
[21:54] DaemonFC It's already fucking broken at 3, Roy.
[21:55] schestowitz_TR2 so buy a new one
[21:55] schestowitz_TR2 more green
[21:55] DaemonFC Check out Scotty Kilmer's YouTube channel all about Teslas.
[21:55] schestowitz_TR2 buy a newe one every 34 years
[21:55] schestowitz_TR2 it';s made oif plants!
[21:55] DaemonFC He said the door motors were already broken on the 3 year old Tesla he bought.
[21:55] schestowitz_TR2 every 3-4 years
[21:55] DaemonFC He was going over all the stuff that was broken.
[21:55] buzzert i'm all aboard the No Taxes train, but to somehow say that our tax money is going to Elon Musk is completely misinformed
[21:55] DaemonFC He's a mechanic so he probably knows how to get parts out of a junkyard and put them on.
[21:55] DaemonFC But that's a little soon for a car to be THAT broken.
[21:56] buzzert (unless you're talking about quantitative easing flowing to wall street and making elon musk richer, then that is true)
[21:56] schestowitz_TR2 buzzert: if he and buys do not pay tax
[21:56] schestowitz_TR2 then he competes against thos e whom do
[21:56] schestowitz_TR2 so it's a tax avoidance scheme
[21:56] schestowitz_TR2 and should not be tolerated
[21:56] schestowitz_TR2 like the "duty free" tax scam
[21:56] DaemonFC If Kilmer wants to get a used Tesla and be out in the yard putting junkyard parts on it all the time just because he can and he doesn't rely on it to always work...
[21:56] schestowitz_TR2 where some privaeye business wins a monopoly fore airport
[21:56] DaemonFC It's his money I guess.
[21:56] schestowitz_TR2 and then profits a lot by avoiding tax
[21:56] DaemonFC But you shouldn't buy one if it's your only car and you're not mechanically inclined.
[21:56] schestowitz_TR2 through shoppers, who will take advantage at the cost to local businesses
[21:57] DaemonFC You will be SO SORRY when you realize it's breaking down all the time and only Tesla can officially fix a lot of that, and they'll get to your Tesla that's sitting there with the lawn growing around it in 6-8 months when the warranty expires on you.
[21:58] schestowitz_TR2 disposable junk
[21:58] schestowitz_TR2 with large tyres
[21:58] schestowitz_TR2 bbib
[21:58] buzzert it's a total headscratcher why they're insanely popular, huh?
[21:58] schestowitz_TR2 I hope those plant-based cars are recyclable
[21:58] schestowitz_TR2 put the tesla in the compost pile
[21:58] schestowitz_TR2 after all, it's GREN
[21:58] schestowitz_TR2 *GREEN
[21:59] schestowitz_TR2 buzzert: not popular
[21:59] schestowitz_TR2 the "real" car companies win here
[21:59] schestowitz_TR2 tesdla makes losses
[21:59] schestowitz_TR2 and its market value is fictional
[21:59] schestowitz_TR2 like the twitter takeover
[21:59] schestowitz_TR2 and elon's hair
[21:59] buzzert https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g36278968/best-selling-evs-of-2021/
[21:59] TR Bot Bestselling EVs of 2021
[21:59] schestowitz_TR2 EVs are already a cpatured market of companies more dsubstance than hype
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[22:00] schestowitz_TR2 like VW
[22:00] buzzert 1. model y, 2. model 3, 9. model s
[22:00] schestowitz_TR2 losses, losses, losses
[22:00] buzzert 11. model x
[22:00] schestowitz_TR2 at one point recently they turned a small prioft, for a change
[22:00] buzzert you said "not popular", not "not profitable"
[22:00] schestowitz_TR2 just like twitter did a few years ago
[22:00] schestowitz_TR2 then winging back to deep losses
[22:00] schestowitz_TR2 *swinging
[22:01] schestowitz_TR2 tesla is hype
[22:01] schestowitz_TR2 hype is not popularity
[22:01] schestowitz_TR2 it's marketing scam
[22:01] buzzert what is the definition of "popular" to you then
[22:01] schestowitz_TR2 musk is all about scams and fake claims
[22:01] schestowitz_TR2 like selling people this idea he founded companies
[22:01] buzzert because in california, it seems like every other car is a tesla \
[22:01] DaemonFC If Tesla was a real car company, then they'd turn profits, be self-sustaining without subsidies, and their stock wouldn't have fallen by half so far this year despite the ongoing bailouts that I'm forced to give them at gunpoint by the government.
[22:01] schestowitz_TR2 mostly other people's companies
[22:01] DaemonFC So they're not a legitimate company. No.
[22:01] schestowitz_TR2 and deceit
[22:01] schestowitz_TR2 fake history
[22:01] schestowitz_TR2 and government franchising
[22:01] buzzert you're changing the topic now
[22:01] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2022/04/25/meeting-the-real-elon-musk-why-i-hate-elon-musk-as-mp4-no-youtube/
[22:02] TR Bot Meeting the Real Elon Musk: Why I Hate Elon Musk (as MP4, No YouTube) | Techrights
[22:02] schestowitz_TR2 tesla is a symtom of the US economy
[22:02] schestowitz_TR2 fake
[22:02] DaemonFC While Tesla profits by stealing from American taxpayers, Musk also says Americans are lazy as sin and you get more work out of the Chinese.
[22:02] schestowitz_TR2 with tar and feathers
[22:02] buzzert ah, so all those cars on the road are fake?
[22:02] schestowitz_TR2 and fake market valuation
[22:02] DaemonFC And that the Chinese government is better than ours....
[22:02] schestowitz_TR2 like enron
[22:02] schestowitz_TR2 buzzert: few of them
[22:02] schestowitz_TR2 tesla did not sell many cars
[22:02] schestowitz_TR2 look at the context
[22:02] DaemonFC It lets him work people 80 hours a week for like $2 an hour.
[22:02] schestowitz_TR2 like comparing xbox 360 to all those playstations
[22:03] DaemonFC Better for Musk.
[22:03] schestowitz_TR2 like 130 million of them
[22:03] buzzert ah yeah, all those actors in california driving around teslas just to pump up the evalulation
[22:03] DaemonFC People shouldn't have to prop up a megaparasite like Musk.
[22:03] schestowitz_TR2 checking wikipedia for a table
[22:03] DaemonFC While he openly thumbs his nose out of the country he's parasiting off of.
[22:03] buzzert > It lets him work people 80 hours a week for like $2 an hour.
[22:03] buzzert that's illegal. are you sure about that? we have minimum wage here.
[22:03] DaemonFC China.
[22:03] DaemonFC Try to keep up.
[22:04] buzzert oh, sure.
[22:04] DaemonFC It's like Apple.
[22:04] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_sales_by_model
[22:04] TR Bot List of automobile sales by model - Wikipedia
[22:04] DaemonFC Works people to death at suicide net factories.
[22:04] DaemonFC Passes along savings with $3,000 computer that is half as fast as something you got at Walmart.
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[22:05] schestowitz LOl!!!!
[22:05] schestowitz Tesla ranked so low
[22:05] schestowitz Tesla Roadster20082012~2,500 in a single generation.
[22:05] schestowitz wow
[22:05] DaemonFC schestowitz, Buick is pretty consistently highly rated.
[22:05] schestowitz 2500 sales
[22:05] schestowitz amaaaazing
[22:05] DaemonFC They're going all electric. If you have charging infrastructure where you live and can afford an EV and want one to depend on, get a Buick EV.
[22:06] DaemonFC If you have trouble, at least you can get in with the dealership and get your car back in less than 6 months. :)
[22:06] DaemonFC Tesla doesn't make such promises.
[22:06] schestowitz_TR2 tesla sold just less than a million cars
[22:06] schestowitz_TR2 some companies sold like 100 million
[22:06] buzzert are you seriously trying to compare tesla to companies that have been around for 100 years?
[22:06] schestowitz_TR2 tesla: claims to be worth a treillion
[22:06] DaemonFC are you seriously trying to compare tesla to companies that have been around for 100 years?
[22:07] schestowitz_TR2 tesla is young and failing
[22:07] schestowitz_TR2 but subsidised
[22:07] DaemonFC No I'm comparing a company that's failing to one that will be around and service the products you buy.
[22:07] DaemonFC :)
[22:07] schestowitz_TR2 exactly
[22:07] schestowitz_TR2 who knows if tesla will be around in 5 or 10 years
[22:07] schestowitz_TR2 or be ablke to make spare parts
[22:07] buzzert what makes you think they wont?
[22:07] DaemonFC I'd say 5 is optimistic, 10 is laughable.
[22:07] buzzert try to use facts, if you can
[22:07] DaemonFC Tesla is garbage. Total garbage.
[22:07] schestowitz_TR2 tesla has been arpound a while
[22:08] schestowitz_TR2 like azure almost 15 years
[22:08] schestowitz_TR2 and still failing
[22:08] schestowitz_TR2 if you are so small after so long
[22:08] buzzert "failing" how
[22:08] DaemonFC Tesla is like Uber.
[22:08] schestowitz_TR2 you can call it a day
[22:08] schestowitz_TR2 EVs are made by many companeis now
[22:08] schestowitz_TR2 dozens of them
[22:08] DaemonFC All it does is lose money and say they may lose less next year.
[22:08] schestowitz_TR2 tesla is just overpriced brand
[22:08] buzzert that's a subjective opinion, not a fact.
[22:08] DaemonFC Slapping them together in tents.
[22:08] DaemonFC Bumpers falling off.
[22:08] DaemonFC Door motors broken 36 months later.
[22:08] DaemonFC It's a laugh. A big one.
[22:09] buzzert "laughing all the way to the bank", as it were
[22:09] schestowitz_TR2 "Toyota Corolla1966presentMore than 50 million over 12 generations as of August 2021"
[22:09] schestowitz_TR2 50 million
[22:09] DaemonFC Musk, maybe. At all the fools who continue to invest in dog coins and Tesla.
[22:09] schestowitz_TR2 just Toyota Corolla
[22:09] schestowitz_TR2 not all Toyota
[22:09] schestowitz_TR2 just Toyota Corolla
[22:09] schestowitz_TR2 Musk: we'll get to a million in a few years
[22:09] buzzert it's been sold for 56 years. are you seriously not getting this?
[22:10] DaemonFC Tesla is basically just a meme.
[22:10] buzzert half a century vs. ~5 years?
[22:10] schestowitz_TR2 tesla founded 19 yeaars ago
[22:10] schestowitz_TR2 not a new boy on the block
[22:10] DaemonFC Elon Musk isn't even the founder of Tesla.
[22:10] schestowitz_TR2 "FoundedJuly 1, 2003; 18 years "
[22:10] schestowitz_TR2 When Musk was busy lying about his "role" at paypal
[22:10] DaemonFC When he bought it, he purchased the title "founder" from the actual founders and the contract says if they call themselves the founders of the company, he can sue them.
[22:11] DaemonFC When Musk was at PayPal, it reached into people's wallets and took the money.
[22:11] DaemonFC It was illegal, but they needed funding and figured nobody would sue if the balance was small.
[22:11] buzzert wow! that's quite a claim
[22:12] buzzert the topic changed again also. i have trouble keeping up with you guys
[22:12] DaemonFC I remember people saying not to use it because PayPal would reach in and keep amending the usage agreement to permit them to take it as "fees" for whatever reason.
[22:12] DaemonFC So everyone said don't use it.
[22:12] schestowitz_TR2 https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/operating-income
[22:12] TR Bot Tesla Operating Income 2010-2022 | TSLA | MacroTrends
[22:12] schestowitz_TR2 "Tesla annual operating income for 2019 was $-0.069B, a 82.22% decline from 2018.
[22:12] schestowitz_TR2 "
[22:12] buzzert oh yeah, "fees". that was apparently such a good idea even banks started doing it
[22:12] DaemonFC I use it now because they haven't operated like that in a long time and it's because Elon Musk is gone and they actually make money.
[22:13] DaemonFC I have never paid a banking fee to use a deposit account.
[22:13] schestowitz_TR2 tens years of losses
[22:13] DaemonFC When Wells Fargo told me they would start charging me one, I had them write a cashier's check for the accounts and then close the accounts.
[22:13] DaemonFC I then opened an account at an online bank and deposited the checks.
[22:13] schestowitz_TR2 bbl
[22:14] DaemonFC I'm not keeping my money in a bank that charges me $7-8 a month and pays no interest.
[22:14] DaemonFC Why would I do that?
[22:14] buzzert damn i didnt know elon musk was running wells fargo too
[22:14] buzzert learning a lot here
[22:14] DaemonFC They're so dirty that they may as well bring him in.
[22:14] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, ^
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[22:15] DaemonFC They're so openly corrupt that they were sanctioned by the Federal Reserve for it!
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[22:15] schestowitz_TR2 a few years ago a bank robbed me
[22:15] schestowitz_TR2 they closed my account and pocketed my balance
[22:15] schestowitz_TR2 just like that!
[22:15] schestowitz_TR2 they know I'd not sure
[22:15] schestowitz_TR2 it was maybe 10-15 pounds
[22:15] schestowitz_TR2 buit still
[22:16] schestowitz_TR2 from their POV, I was useless client
[22:16] schestowitz_TR2 so they closed it
[22:16] schestowitz_TR2 and took the money
[22:16] schestowitz_TR2 that'sbanks for you
[22:16] schestowitz_TR2 not even worth disputing over, except as a matter of principle
[22:16] schestowitz_TR2 they say the best way to rob a bank...
[22:16] schestowitz_TR2 DaemonFC: ^^
[22:17] DaemonFC You can't rob a bank. It's impossible.
[22:17] schestowitz_TR2 no
[22:17] DaemonFC They have it rigged so you get away with nothing and the police kill you.
[22:17] schestowitz_TR2 they say the best way to rob a bank... is to OWN or RUN one
[22:17] DaemonFC Oh yes....
[22:17] DaemonFC They rob their customers all the time.
[22:17] schestowitz_TR2 I saw it first hand
[22:18] schestowitz_TR2 "hello, bank?"
[22:18] schestowitz_TR2 "yes, it's roy... I just goit robbed"
[22:18] schestowitz_TR2 "yes, by you"
[22:18] DaemonFC They mostly call it "interest".
[22:18] DaemonFC Interest = Bank Robbery
[22:18] schestowitz_TR2 "can I make insurance claim against this robbery?|"
[22:18] buzzert interest is paid to the customer, not to the bank
[22:18] schestowitz_TR2 right
[22:18] buzzert my dudes, you need to read some books or something
[22:18] schestowitz_TR2 should be
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[22:19] DaemonFC Yeah, you get 0.75% on your savings account at the highest pretty much.
[22:19] DaemonFC When they charge interest it's usually at least 6% and sometimes 20-40%.
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[22:20] DaemonFC They accept lower rates on mortgages because many people can't make it 30 years and then the bank keeps the money and the house and sells the house again and then sues you and gets more money.
[22:20] schestowitz_TR2 they asured me there would be no hidden fees
[22:21] schestowitz_TR2 and then broke their promise
[22:21] schestowitz_TR2 and the money was small enough for them to know I'd likely not challenge it
[22:21] DaemonFC The Profit isn't so much the interest, as it is that nobody but them usually ends up actually owning the house.
[22:21] schestowitz_TR2 and they'd likely also lie abut what they told me
[22:21] schestowitz_TR2 (I did not record them or got them to sign a pledge)
[22:23] DaemonFC My parents have owned 8 houses and have never actually owned 1.
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[22:23] DaemonFC My mom has lost an enormous amount of money fixing them up and losing them in divorces and bankruptcy.
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[22:24] DaemonFC Just because they fell for a scam doesn't mean you have to.
[22:25] DaemonFC Getting a house doesn't make you "free" from rent. It just means you pay some other asshole, and this one doesn't fix anything. And you may not be able to sell it, especially if you couldn't afford to fix it and now you owe more than what it's worth.
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[22:26] DaemonFC Toilet breaks? Call the landlord.
[22:26] DaemonFC Leaky faucet? Call the landlord.
[22:26] DaemonFC Plumbing stops up? Call the landlord.
[22:26] DaemonFC Air conditioner takes a dump? Call the landlord.
[22:26] DaemonFC Property insurance? Landlord's problem.
[22:26] DaemonFC Property tax bill? Landlord pays it.
[22:27] DaemonFC You may go "Oh a house payment is about what I pay in rent." And you might be right, but then you move in and you get PMI, and Interest, and Home Insurance, and Tax bills based on however much money the Democrats want to spend on giving people heroin needles that year.
[22:27] schestowitz_TR2 both are bad options
[22:27] DaemonFC I mean, it just goes on and on.
[22:28] DaemonFC Repairs!
[22:29] DaemonFC Landlords are bad, but they can actually be a lot less bad than "owning" a house, which you don't own.
[22:30] DaemonFC Even though they pay property tax, they can put a large building there that isn't wasting a bunch of land that's also being taxed.
[22:30] DaemonFC So you should theoretically save money even though they pay tax and it's in the rent somewhere.
[22:31] DaemonFC When the county assessor figures up your tax bill omn your house, the empty land around the house that doesn't do anything except get you fined if you don't mow it often enough is about 20-30% of the bill, you know.
[22:31] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, I mocked the City of Waukegan on Facebook.
[22:32] DaemonFC They said they were starting to enforce the "failure to mow your lawn" fees in May.
[22:33] DaemonFC I said, "How much would it be if you put in a tall grass nature preserve with plants and animal life native to Illinois? The Democrats like those. They're even letting weeds and tallgrass grow around the Health Department. At least when the mosquitoes start biting people, they'll have more work I guess."
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[22:33] DaemonFC Oh, ticks.
[22:33] DaemonFC Don't forget ticks.
[22:34] DaemonFC A lawn that gets mowed frequently is actually a bigger carbon sink than a "tallgrass area".
[22:34] DaemonFC Proven.
[22:35] DaemonFC The reason the government is letting fucking weeds grow everywhere while you can't do that is because then they don't have to pay anyone to mow it down.
[22:35] DaemonFC But fining you makes money, so they keep doing that.
[22:35] schestowitz_TR2 they have decided what'\s aesthetic
[22:36] schestowitz_TR2 based on arbitrary criteria
[22:38] schestowitz_TR2 U used to mow the neigbours lawn
[22:39] schestowitz_TR2 to help her out
[22:39] schestowitz_TR2 and avoid the grass getting long and ugly
[22:40] schestowitz_TR2 rather than short and ugly like putin
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[23:46] DaemonFC They have electric lawnmowers.
[23:46] DaemonFC And as long as you avoid the battery garbage and just don't be a fucking moron who runs over the cord, then you don't have to buy Biden Gas to mow the lawn.
[23:50] MinceR but you get Biden Electricity via the cable
[23:52] DaemonFC That's not as horrible as Biden Gas.
[23:52] DaemonFC An electric car is still a pretty bad deal, especially Tesla.
[23:53] DaemonFC Because fuel is just one part of the cost of ownership, and batteries don't do especially well in extreme heat or cold.
[23:53] DaemonFC So you won't get the rated performance no matter where you are.
[23:53] DaemonFC Overall, I've seen 3-4 year old Teslas that were in worse shape than the 2008 Buick I just bought.
[23:54] DaemonFC And that's pretty bad that you just paid $160,000 for their highest end Tesla and so many things are shot in 3 years.
[23:54] DaemonFC It's a good thing they have two doors. It somewhat reduces the odds of being trapped in the stupid thing.
[23:55] DaemonFC You could still have an electrical failure and not be able to exit the car without breaking the glass.
[23:55] DaemonFC Which some people would call a design flaw, but hey.
[23:56] DaemonFC "Hello, AAA, what's your policy on towing the car with me inside? Yeah, I don't want to call Safelite when I'm out of the car.....Oh I see, well, can you at least call the police. I don't have anything on hand to break the glass with. Thanks!".