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| MinceR | i didn't know the normal legal system operated by forcing a well known SJW's CoC template onto free software projects | Aug 02 00:01 |
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| MinceR | i guess if it really were SJWs, they would have sued instead | Aug 02 00:02 |
| oiaohm | CoC that you call SJW is in fact been carefully written to be alignment with most countries legal requirements. | Aug 02 00:06 |
| oiaohm | To avoid anti descrimintation and deformation laws. | Aug 02 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Basically blaming SJW here is ignoring the legal side requirements of due care. | Aug 02 00:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I guess you did not look at the CoC and consider where this in fact sits in relation to most countries laws. All of it in most countries you have to obey anyhow to be legal. | Aug 02 00:09 |
| MinceR | which makes it less necessary, not more | Aug 02 00:10 |
| oiaohm | Did you miss the due care bit. | Aug 02 00:10 |
| MinceR | you obviously failed to follow what coraline ada ehmke did so far | Aug 02 00:10 |
| oiaohm | due care means you took all reasonable actions to prevent the crime so if it happens you held responsable. | Aug 02 00:11 |
| oiaohm | So CoC allows due care with min effort. | Aug 02 00:11 |
| MinceR | sounds like you're going to be punished for not writing statements asking people not to do illegal things on all the walls on this planet | Aug 02 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Lot of venues check for the sign near the door with a lot of print on it. | Aug 02 00:12 |
| oiaohm | legal requirement does have a lot of stuff up covering stuff like that. | Aug 02 00:13 |
| MinceR | that's it everybody, time to stop writing code and start replicating legalese. | Aug 02 00:14 |
| MinceR | we're going to be so productive! | Aug 02 00:14 |
| oiaohm | I have followed what Coraline Ada Ehmke has done. In fact from a count defendable point of view so the CoC cannot be challaged for being bias against legal requirment here background is ideal. | Aug 02 00:15 |
| MinceR | also ideal for painting targets on people the corporate droids dislike | Aug 02 00:15 |
| oiaohm | With or without the CoC they could do that anyhow so that changes nothing. | Aug 02 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Code of conflit was designed to be more abusable than then CoC replacing it. | Aug 02 00:16 |
| MinceR | the CoC makes it easier | Aug 02 00:16 |
| MinceR | wrong, it's the other way around | Aug 02 00:16 |
| MinceR | the CoC explicitly lists groups as being worthy of protection | Aug 02 00:17 |
| MinceR | (the others don't matter) | Aug 02 00:17 |
| MinceR | the CoC also explicitly appoints a particular group of people to the position where they can ban people from the project | Aug 02 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Contributor Covenant makes is harder. Code of Conflit said parties were due protection but did not list who. | Aug 02 00:17 |
| MinceR | either every human is due protection, or none are | Aug 02 00:17 |
| oiaohm | So the prior Code of Conflit was way more open to abuse. | Aug 02 00:17 |
| MinceR | listing is typical SJW bullshit | Aug 02 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Listing matches what the legal system does. | Aug 02 00:18 |
| MinceR | the legal system is fucked up | Aug 02 00:18 |
| MinceR | does this require explanation? | Aug 02 00:18 |
| oiaohm | and everything in that list is in fact like or not in most legal systems list. | Aug 02 00:18 |
| oiaohm | as protected. | Aug 02 00:18 |
| MinceR | so what they omitted is interesting | Aug 02 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Code of conflit could have been used protect stuff outside that like someone boss.... | Aug 02 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Or you said something bad against a company.... | Aug 02 00:19 |
| MinceR | Code of Conflict wasn't even about banning people from the project | Aug 02 00:19 |
| MinceR | it was more like "hey, behave like adults" | Aug 02 00:19 |
| MinceR | cae's CoC specifies privileged groups whose feelings matter | Aug 02 00:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct.html have you read the CoC. | Aug 02 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.contributor-covenant.org | Contributor Covenant: | Aug 02 00:22 | |
| MinceR | yes. have you? | Aug 02 00:22 |
| oiaohm | It does not limit the protections to particular groups. | Aug 02 00:23 |
| oiaohm | I have. read it. | Aug 02 00:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, not explicitly | Aug 02 00:23 |
| oiaohm | https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.10/process/code-of-conflict.html | Aug 02 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kernel.org | Code of Conflict — The Linux Kernel documentation | Aug 02 00:23 | |
| oiaohm | Have you read the code of conflict. | Aug 02 00:23 |
| MinceR | yes. have you? | Aug 02 00:23 |
| oiaohm | I have. | Aug 02 00:23 |
| MinceR | even that should have been unnecessary | Aug 02 00:24 |
| MinceR | i mean, the code of conflict | Aug 02 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Now what one can I claim offence and get you into trouble because you offended my company. | Aug 02 00:24 |
| MinceR | obviously it wouldn't be phrased that way yet | Aug 02 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Code of Conflict. | Aug 02 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Code of conduct has limitted what is offencive where the code of conflict did not. | Aug 02 00:25 |
| oiaohm | So the old code of conflit was in fact more exploitable. | Aug 02 00:25 |
| MinceR | the old code of conflict said nothing about banning people from the project | Aug 02 00:26 |
| MinceR | or enforcement at all | Aug 02 00:26 |
| MinceR | the new one has 2 whole paragraphs on enforcement | Aug 02 00:27 |
| MinceR | this is not a coincidence. | Aug 02 00:27 |
| oiaohm | If you check the tab link back in the past they mentioned efforcement there. | Aug 02 00:27 |
| oiaohm | So you had to click a link to find out what they would do to you under the old code of conflit. | Aug 02 00:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the old code of conflit total once you include what was at tab had 20 paragraphs of enforcement stuff. | Aug 02 00:28 |
| oiaohm | It is way more clear this way. | Aug 02 00:29 |
| MinceR | do you have an archive.org link? | Aug 02 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Yes 20 paragraphs after you had searched all over the tab page to find them. | Aug 02 00:30 |
| oiaohm | code of conflit was basically as clear as mud. | Aug 02 00:30 |
| scientes | oiaohm, doesn't the level of HIV have to be pretty high to warrant just killing them? | Aug 02 00:31 |
| scientes | I just don't see that as an effective measure | Aug 02 00:31 |
| scientes | not giving them any expensive drugs, that is another matter | Aug 02 00:32 |
| scientes | they die pretty quick without those too | Aug 02 00:32 |
| MinceR | EXTERMINATE | Aug 02 00:32 |
| scientes | he brought it up yesterday | Aug 02 00:32 |
| scientes | I means without the expensive drugs, HIV+ people drop like flies | Aug 02 00:32 |
| oiaohm | scientes: when you have culture problem where parties get HIV infected due to stupid believes think they can get cured by magic by having sex with particular people ... EXTERMINATE is the best solution. | Aug 02 00:33 |
| MinceR | aren't there any strains that don't kill as quickly? | Aug 02 00:33 |
| scientes | and there has been no success with cheaper drugs, except the preventative Prep | Aug 02 00:33 |
| MinceR | "This is not war, this is pest control!" | Aug 02 00:34 |
| scientes | oiaohm, that isn't a "stupid belief". you see the same thing in plants. If the plant is dying its flowers will be much more pronounced/numerous/et cetera | Aug 02 00:35 |
| oiaohm | scientes: also you have another problem. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hiv-aids-controllers/ | Aug 02 00:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scientificamerican.com | Researchers Try to Solve the Mystery of HIV Carriers Who Don't Contract AIDS - Scientific American | Aug 02 00:35 | |
| oiaohm | There are those who have HIV who never will show any symtoms other than spreading it. | Aug 02 00:35 |
| oiaohm | So there is a percentage of pest control here. | Aug 02 00:36 |
| oiaohm | Its a brutal control method to blood test everyone and kill the infected but it is documented as working as this is this is removing the carries as well as those who need drugs. | Aug 02 00:38 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysvNOmDMVvk | Aug 02 00:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Daleks Vs Cybermen This Is Not War, This Is Pest Control Doomsday David Tennant - YouTube | Aug 02 00:38 | |
| oiaohm | scientes: the big flaw in most HIV containment/treatment plans is having nothing to go after the carrier section of the infection. | Aug 02 00:44 |
| scientes | you could sterilize them | Aug 02 00:45 |
| scientes | as not just in the technical sense | Aug 02 00:46 |
| scientes | it would also help if they let the drug addicts die, instead of resuscitating them over and over again | Aug 02 00:51 |
| scientes | the US is chock full of drug addicts | Aug 02 00:52 |
| scientes | and they get treated like children that just made a mistake | Aug 02 00:52 |
| scientes | but there is a bigger picture to this | Aug 02 00:54 |
| scientes | its called the Technosphere, and it got good treatment in Kurt Vonnogut's Player Piano | Aug 02 00:54 |
| scientes | its illegal to die now | Aug 02 00:54 |
| scientes | its illegal to die at home, and get buried in your own back-yard | Aug 02 00:55 |
| MinceR | it's totally legal to die fighting a war for the benefit of other people, though | Aug 02 01:00 |
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| MinceR | that's what the fundies want you to do | Aug 02 01:01 |
| scientes | exactly | Aug 02 01:05 |
| scientes | its only legal if someone tell your to die | Aug 02 01:05 |
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| oiaohm | https://www.osnews.com/story/130433/microsoft-confirms-users-unable-to-switch-out-of-windows-10-in-s-mode/ << Could have seen this comming. | Aug 02 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft confirms users unable to switch out of Windows 10 in S Mode – OSnews | Aug 02 12:16 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: good | Aug 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | for gnu linux anyway | Aug 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | phebus: nice to have more fsf members around :-) | Aug 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: direct link is MSFT propaganda site | Aug 02 15:58 |
| schestowitz | i.e. spin | Aug 02 15:58 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: yep spin its a good read the item locked in S mode and it will not get apps from the store either. | Aug 02 16:04 |
| oiaohm | So its bricked. | Aug 02 16:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Is it true that mod_php depends on mpm_prefork in Apache httpd? :D | Aug 02 16:07 |
| scientes | yes | Aug 02 16:07 |
| scientes | Apache is ancient, and frankly a POS | Aug 02 16:08 |
| scientes | if nginx for ~$680M, does that mean I can get that much if I provide huge value to big corporations? | Aug 02 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: A POS? | Aug 02 16:12 |
| scientes | Piece Of Shit | Aug 02 16:12 |
| scientes | or Point Of Sale, depending | Aug 02 16:12 |
| XRevan86 | I'm also looking at php-fpm configuration guidelines for Apache httpd, and it terrifies me. My scientific curiousity is not sufficient to try all this out. | Aug 02 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | https://linode.com/docs/web-servers/apache/running-fastcgi-php-fpm-on-debian-7-with-apache/#configuring-apache-with-php-fpm here | Aug 02 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linode.com | Running mod_fastcgi and PHP-FPM on Debian 7 (Wheezy) with Apache | Aug 02 16:13 | |
| XRevan86 | Although, it seems there's /etc/apache2/conf-available/php7.3-fpm.conf | Aug 02 16:15 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but WHY are you trying to use apache? | Aug 02 16:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Scientific curiousity | Aug 02 16:19 |
| scientes | nginx really is the best | Aug 02 16:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I dislike Apache httpd, but I didn't exactly knew why. | Aug 02 16:19 |
| XRevan86 | * know | Aug 02 16:19 |
| scientes | and its just a matter of being created later, once the ideas had settled, and having been created well from the beginning | Aug 02 16:20 |
| scientes | but knew not why :) | Aug 02 16:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I still don't quite realise just how terrible Apache httpd is. | Aug 02 16:22 |
| scientes | but when you have a customer with dozens of web sites in apache config it is kinda hard to switch off it | Aug 02 16:23 |
| scientes | I've done that, and it was a nightmare | Aug 02 16:23 |
| scientes | I tried to just proxy to apache if nginx didn't know what to do, but it didn't really work | Aug 02 16:23 |
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| scientes | you really shouldn't try unless you have tests, and who has tests on custom code? | Aug 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: debian 7 is a tad old | Aug 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | [16:04] <oiaohm> So its bricked. | Aug 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz | it's Windows | Aug 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz | bricks are good, they make homes | Aug 02 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | (15:14:33) aab: if it helps, i had to do the prefork--> event change when enabling http2. I've found another tutorial i used | Aug 02 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | (15:14:35) aab: https://gist.github.com/GAS85/990b46a3a9c2a16c0ece4e48ebce7300 | Aug 02 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | How to Enable HTTP/2 in Apache 2.4 on Ubuntu 16.04 · GitHub | Aug 02 16:25 | |
| schestowitz | Windows are cheap replacements for bricks | Aug 02 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | There's a fresher guideline. | Aug 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz | from MSFT :-) | Aug 02 16:26 |
| schestowitz | shithub | Aug 02 16:26 |
| scientes | schestowitz, you got that right | Aug 02 16:26 |
| scientes | you can't properly review series of patches | Aug 02 16:26 |
| scientes | it doesn't scale | Aug 02 16:26 |
| scientes | et cetera | Aug 02 16:26 |
| scientes | Linus called this out years ago, and all the shithub fanbois had a hissy-fit | Aug 02 16:27 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: "debian 7 is a tad old" – amazingly apparently mod_php is still commonplace. | Aug 02 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | even though there's a manual on how to switch off it for debian 7 (: | Aug 02 16:28 |
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| XRevan86 | https://salsa.debian.org/php-team/php/blob/master-7.3/debian/php-fpm.conf | Aug 02 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-salsa.debian.org | debian/php-fpm.conf · master-7.3 · Debian PHP Team / php · GitLab | Aug 02 16:34 | |
| XRevan86 | This doesn't look so bad though. | Aug 02 16:35 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, its hard to change things that work | Aug 02 16:47 |
| scientes | that is why VMWare made such butt-loads of money | Aug 02 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Indeed. | Aug 02 16:48 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/httpd/PHP-FPM when you come to PHP and apache you have a few too many options. | Aug 02 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cwiki.apache.org | PHP-FPM - HTTPD - Apache Software Foundation | Aug 02 16:49 | |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: I've got to wonder if Apache httpd has anything like named locations. | Aug 02 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | to re-use a handler for different matchings | Aug 02 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | [16:47] <scientes> XRevan86, its hard to change things that work | Aug 02 17:28 |
| schestowitz | it does not always work | Aug 02 17:28 |
| schestowitz | maybe you mean lock-in | Aug 02 17:28 |
| schestowitz | from our experience at work | Aug 02 17:28 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: LanguageTool, Icinga Web, Kiwi TCMS, YAD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126556 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd28918e-f89f-4532-8205-dcc080928f3f] | Aug 02 18:18 | |
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| scientes | schestowitz, no matter how bad apache is, it is not lock it, as it really is software libre | Aug 02 18:29 |
| schestowitz | vmware is | Aug 02 18:29 |
| scientes | well yeah, and people should use KVM now | Aug 02 18:30 |
| scientes | but VMWare's sell was that your app will work like it did | Aug 02 18:30 |
| scientes | and they did deliver that, (and convinced all the CPU companies to add features to their chips for such things), and then proceeded to lock everyone in | Aug 02 18:30 |
| scientes | xen also did | Aug 02 18:32 |
| scientes | kqemu was earlier, but it never took off...... | Aug 02 18:32 |
| scientes | I guess because he didn't know how to sell it as non-free software (which it was) like VMWare and Xen guys did | Aug 02 18:33 |
| scientes | and kqemu never even got merged (although such old x86 hardware is not relevent anymore) | Aug 02 18:33 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/22/57a30c5ffe301418.mp4 | Aug 02 19:34 |
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| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/hq4y8k.png | Aug 02 20:06 |
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| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/06/923237cfcd6b6c5f.jpg | Aug 02 21:21 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19070778 | Aug 02 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Aug 02 22:18 | |
| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/fj6w4ypxfja31.jpg | Aug 02 22:29 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19070764 | Aug 02 23:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Aug 02 23:03 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19070560 | Aug 02 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Aug 02 23:43 | |
| cubexyz | MinceR, did you ever try vector linux? | Aug 02 23:56 |
| MinceR | not yet | Aug 02 23:57 |
| MinceR | i keep forgetting that it exists | Aug 02 23:57 |
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