●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, October 02, 2021 ●● ● Oct 02 [00:00] activelow another solution, i will increase framebuffer color depth to 32bit (instead of 16) which inreases memory consumption and is slower, without any visual benefit anywhere, aha [00:12] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:12] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:24] *m___ (~Adium@mfgnrw6khgqhe.irc) has joined #techrights [00:26] DaemonFC I might just remove the DEB version of LibreOffice and install the Flatpak. [00:27] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/21092432 [00:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5879559) [00:37] *immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:39] *immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [00:48] techrights-news #mozilla " #Firefox making more controversial decisions" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KxyVC4zE1Qo [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Anti-cheat works on Linux, Firefox stumbles again, and HDR support - Linux news - September 2021 - Invidious [00:48] techrights-news #Mozilla does not mention the awful tragedy of #outsourcing to to #proprietarysoftware of #Microsoft , an attack on the Web itself https://hacks.mozilla.org/2021/10/mdn-web-docs-at-write-the-docs-prague-2021/ [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacks.mozilla.org | MDN Web Docs at Write the Docs Prague 2021 - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog [00:49] techrights-news #Mozilla spends money on #politics and #lobbying while firing actual engineers https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2021/10/01/addressing-gender-based-online-harms-in-the-dsa/ [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Addressing gender-based online harms in the DSA - Open Policy & Advocacy [00:49] techrights-news #mozilla wants your passwords. Should you trust it? (No.) https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/news/superhero-passwords-may-be-your-kryptonite-wherever-you-go-online/ [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Superhero passwords may be your kryptonite wherever you go online [00:51] techrights-news What on Earth does this have to do with #mozilla and/or #Firefox h https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/best-tweets-miracle-whip-finstas-internationalpodcastday-freebritney-oct-1/ [00:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Miracle Whip, Finstas, #InternationalPodcastDay, and #FreeBritney all made the Top Shelf this week [00:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [00:53] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [00:53] techrights-news "Kylie Broderick, teaching assistant at the University of North Carolina, has published criticism of Israel's treatment of Palestinians. An Israeli diplomat, and a US congresscritter, both pressured the university to remove her from teaching." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#1_October_2021_%28Criticism_of_Israel%29 [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [00:54] techrights-news #microsoft #astroturfing groups recycled: http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/10/not-class-act-so-called-app-association.html see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Association_for_Competitive_Technology [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Not a class ACT: the so-called App Association is simply an Apple Association and does NOT represent app developers' interests in fair distribution terms [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Association for Competitive Technology - Techrights [00:54] schestowitz DaemonFC: https://windowsreport.com/windows-11-wsl-2-versus-ubuntu-21-10-performance/ [00:54] schestowitz famous at least [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-windowsreport.com | Windows 11 WSL 2 versus Ubuntu 21.10 performance [00:54] schestowitz Michael @ Microsoft [00:55] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [00:56] techrights-news Older: #microsoft #astroturfing https://www.kidonip.com/frightful-five/on-deceptive-apps-and-practices-unmasking-the-act-apple-association/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Association_for_Competitive_Technology [00:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kidonip.com | On Deceptive Apps and Practices: Unmasking the ACT App(le) Association - KIDON IP [00:56] DaemonFC schestowitz, Linux 5.10.70 is incoming to Debian. [00:57] DaemonFC Parts of it are in proposed. [00:57] schestowitz-TR which debian? 11? 12? [00:58] DaemonFC 11 [00:58] DaemonFC So 5.10.46 through 5.10.70 would be the jump ● Oct 02 [01:00] XRevan86 https://nitter.eu/IPngNetworks/status/1443909285357006848 at least that's not Joseon.kr's fault. Not sure what's going on for them but my guess is an old version of OpenSSL. [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | IPng Networks (@IPngNetworks): "@letsencrypt DST Root CA X3 expired. We all knew this was going to happen. It's OK, I don't really need Freenode =)" | nitter [01:02] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/10/01/she-absconded-from-the-investigation the police pretty much just let her go. [01:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [01:02] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/10/01/the-wave-after-the-wave the new normal [01:02] MinceR [to Cindy after dropping Sully off a cliff] I let him go. [01:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [01:03] *inky has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:03] XRevan86 Detention is for the opposition. [01:03] XRevan86 gotta make room [01:06] techrights-news "I've written up a proposal for the comp.infosystems.gemini #newsgroup here: https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Comp.infosystems.gemini_RFD. If this is OK with everyone" https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007245.html [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.big-8.org | Comp.infosystems.gemini RFD - Usenet Big-8 Management Board [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Gemini Newsgroup RFD [01:06] techrights-news "I expected to find a link to a video showing the boat, but I don't see one in the article. Have the protesters posted a video in a place it could be accessed without running nonfree Javascript code? If so, I would like to link to it." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#1_October_2021_%28Protest_at_Manchin%27s_boat%29 [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [01:09] DaemonFC http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/bullseye-proposed-updates/linux_5.10.70-1_amd64-buildd.changes [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring. [01:09] DaemonFC - iwlwifi: follow the new inclusive terminology [01:09] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, ^ [01:09] DaemonFC It doesn't work, but it's less offensive to mjg59_ [01:11] techrights-news The person who wrote it receives his salary from #Google via #Mozilla https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/google-privacy-budget-analysis/ [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Analysis of Googles Privacy Budget Proposal [01:11] DaemonFC https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/commit/?id=3d4f9c00492b4e21641e5140a5e78cb50b58d60b [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/stable/linux.git - Linux kernel stable tree [01:11] kingoffrance https://lore.kernel.org/all/20210913131107.189531291@linuxfoundation.org/ has it [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [PATCH 5.10 200/236] iwlwifi: follow the new inclusive terminology - Greg Kroah-Hartman [01:11] schestowitz-TR google and politeness are opposites [01:11] kingoffrance blacklist -> block list whitelist -> pass list [01:12] schestowitz-TR same for Google and security [01:12] kingoffrance master -> leader slave -> follower [01:12] DaemonFC https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/commit/?id=39bc74ca0119025e3cc24b97ebd964b5c605aa83 [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/stable/linux.git - Linux kernel stable tree [01:12] schestowitz-TR kingoffrance: I have 7000 slaves in Twitter [01:12] kingoffrance i had to search it to see wth it was lol [01:12] kingoffrance lol [01:12] kingoffrance nice [01:12] techrights-news #Ubuntu 21.10 Install Guide Impish Indri https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2021/ubuntu-21-10-install-guide/ #gnu #linux [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.if-not-true-then-false.com | Ubuntu 21.10 Install Guide Impish Indri If Not True Then False [01:13] XRevan86 petition to rename blackmarket to undermarket [01:13] techrights-news Bits related to Alpine Security Initiatives in September https://ariadne.space/2021/10/01/bits-related-to-alpine-security-initiatives-in-september/ #alpineLinux #security #gnu #linux [01:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | Bits related to Alpine Security Initiatives in September Ariadne's Space [01:13] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: tell that to the blacksmith [01:13] schestowitz-TR will smith [01:14] techrights-news Maintenance release: Godot 3.3.4 https://godotengine.org/article/maintenance-release-godot-3-3-4 #godotengine #games #freesw #deletegithub [01:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Maintenance release: Godot 3.3.4 [01:14] XRevan86 ironsmith [01:14] schestowitz-TR ironic, innit? [01:14] DaemonFC Intel developers writing this fucking crap that doesn't work while singling Lesbian Seagulls from Beavis and Butthead Do America. [01:14] kingoffrance on that one #define IWL_TAS_BLACK_LIST_MAX 16 looks like they kept some, didnt want to mess with defines? who knows [01:14] DaemonFC All because of the SJWs. [01:14] XRevan86 metallic [01:15] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: nobody was talking about these issues [01:15] schestowitz-TR because, IME, messing was code didn't have enough merit [01:15] schestowitz-TR now they're provoked many coders [01:15] DaemonFC " - iwlwifi Add support for ax201 in Samsung Galaxy Book Flex2 Alpha [01:15] DaemonFC " [01:15] schestowitz-TR who don't wish to risk breaking their code [01:15] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, This comes close to being relevant to me. [01:16] schestowitz-TR which happens BTW [01:16] schestowitz-TR event variable names [01:16] techrights-news This happens on a much grander scale due to #Microsoft https://threatpost.com/babys-death-linked-ransomware/175232/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [01:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Baby's Death Alleged to Be Linked to Ransomware | Threatpost [01:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [01:16] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.73 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 4.75 swarm size (avg): 257.68 [01:16] DaemonFC There's about a dozen iwlwifi-related patches coming soon. [01:16] techrights-news #microsoft kills https://www.wsj.com/articles/ransomware-hackers-hospital-first-alleged-death-11633008116 see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [01:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Hospital Hit by Hackers, a Baby in Distress: The Case of the First Alleged Ransomware Death - WSJ [01:17] techrights-news Today I installed a gemini client on one more machines. This is great. I'm loving it. Simple with good s/n ratio. [01:18] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: did you move 2 laptops to debian 11? [01:19] techrights-news #Thinstation 6.2.12 is released but needs to #deletegithub http://www.thinstation.org/ #microsoft #proprietarysoftware http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [01:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thinstation.org | ThinStation by Donald A. Cupp Jr. [01:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [01:20] techrights-news Wine, Windows programs, and gaming on Debian GNU/Linux. The XBOX 360 controller is just working now! https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/01/wine-windows-programs-and-gaming-on-debian-gnu-linux-the-xbox-360-controller-is-just-working-now/ #debian #gnu #linux #games [01:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Wine, Windows programs, and gaming on Debian GNU/Linux. The XBOX 360 controller is just working now! BaronHK's Rants [01:20] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: you can do Felta's next [01:20] techrights-news How many still use OpenOffice instead of LibreOffice? https://medium.com/csg-govtech/all-your-d-base-are-belong-to-us-part-1-code-execution-in-apache-openoffice-cve-2021-33035-767fc7d6daf7 [01:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-All Your (d)Base Are Belong To Us, Part 1: Code Execution in Apache OpenOffice (CVE-202133035) | by Eugene Lim | CSG @ GovTech | Sep, 2021 | Medium [01:23] techrights-news How many of these links are just sponsored? https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/best-vpn-for-linux/ #vpn #spam #gnu #linux [01:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaltrends.com | Best VPN for Linux 2021: NordVPN, ExpressVPN, IPVanish, and More | Digital Trends [01:27] techrights-news #RedHat pushing #Microsoft #ProprietarySoftware https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/sql-server-red-hat-enterprise-linux-data-platform-virtual-summit-2021 #IBM only cares about money [01:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | SQL Server on Red Hat Enterprise Linux at Data Platform Virtual Summit 2021 [01:27] MinceR 02 021301 < XRevan86> petition to rename blackmarket to undermarket [01:27] MinceR underverse? [01:28] *Libraria1 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [01:28] schestowitz-TR there are even worse: [01:28] XRevan86 MinceR: rhymelessverse [01:28] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/lame-words/ [01:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Its Crazy Not to Eliminate Lame Words That Might Offend Somebody | Techrights [01:29] schestowitz-TR this is '1984' ministry of truth territories [01:29] schestowitz-TR where the word "silly" needs to be purged [01:29] schestowitz-TR because no matter how it is used, someone might feel offended [01:29] schestowitz-TR no matter the context [01:29] DaemonFC DaemonFC: did you move 2 laptops to debian 11? [01:29] schestowitz-TR silly proposals [01:30] DaemonFC Yeah, I wanted to mess with it a bit on a less important system first. [01:30] schestowitz-TR good [01:30] DaemonFC So I installed it on my older laptop. [01:30] DaemonFC It replaced Fedora 34 on that one. [01:30] schestowitz-TR I like the blog posts [01:30] techrights-news xkcd: Endangered https://xkcd.com/2523/ #xkcd #humour [01:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Endangered [01:31] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: debian 10 was on rianne's laptop first, then she put it on mine. I was surprised by how much tinkering you did, as it worked for both of us out of the box completely [01:32] schestowitz-TR only missing bits might be... IF you do not add the wifi blob at install time [01:32] schestowitz-TR those were removed to appease the FSF some years ago [01:32] schestowitz-TR but a USB stick makes it easy to add them while installing [01:32] techrights-news 'Smart' as in #spy https://www.maketecheasier.com/review/ecolor-smart-moon-lamp/ [01:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | ECOLOR Smart Moon Lamp Review: Smart Mood Lighting - Make Tech Easier [01:33] techrights-news A First Look At #Q4OS 4.6 With The Plasma Desktop - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_5N3wqKdvDo #video #invidious [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | A First Look At Q4OS 4.6 With The Plasma Desktop - Invidious [01:33] XRevan86 Somewhere out there in the vastness of cosmos there are pitch-dark holes. [01:34] schestowitz-TR I wonder what Neil deGrass Tyson would say [01:34] activelow installed some debian onto an old laptop ... powered off since july [01:34] activelow debian is considered conservative, not conservative enough for me [01:34] schestowitz-TR learning that his programmes on TV about black holes might offend blacks, according to misguided white people [01:35] techrights-news #Apache Month in Review: September 2021 https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/apache-month-in-review-september1 [01:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | Apache Month in Review: September 2021 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog [01:36] activelow schestowitz-TR: i am sceptical about the term "black hole" too, for scientific reasons [01:36] techrights-news Can Linux Run Windows EXE Files? https://www.makeuseof.com/can-linux-run-windows-exe-files/ #makeuseoftalks about WINE. Yes, it's possible, but most #freesw obviates the need for it... [01:36] activelow it is abused for the typical "speed of light" spook [01:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | Can Linux Run Windows EXE Files? [01:37] MinceR Somewhere out there in the vastness of cosmos there are deny holes. [01:37] schestowitz-TR they are more deny than space [01:37] MinceR :> [01:38] schestowitz-TR space itself is mostly deny, esp. away from nearby stars in constellations [01:38] schestowitz-TR maybe a better term is vacuum holes [01:38] schestowitz-TR or wormholes [01:38] activelow i was thinking of something else, which is some experiment to show a candle light exposed to an electromagnetic field is bend [01:38] DaemonFC DaemonFC: debian 10 was on rianne's laptop first, then she put it on mine. I was surprised by how much tinkering you did, as it worked for both of us out of the box completely [01:38] schestowitz-TR the connection was never racial anyway [01:38] DaemonFC It's a very new laptop and it's a bit glitchy. [01:38] schestowitz-TR connotation either [01:39] activelow meaning the candle light flame, a type of plasma, is bend by the electromagnetic, instead of some spook dark magic black hole [01:39] XRevan86 schestowitz: There aren't any wormes around the grav-holes. [01:39] techrights-news Programs and #Programming /Development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156341 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programs and Programming/Development | Tux Machines [01:39] DaemonFC The laptop runs pretty well except the wifi if you run it in AX mode. [01:40] activelow ... meaning, a scientific explanation exists for light (and plasma) being shaped in the kosmos, by the influence of electromagnetic fields (invisible, outside visual range) [01:41] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: yes, I was thinking that too [01:41] schestowitz-TR but analogies [01:41] activelow that's why, "black hole" is irritating, when De Grasse Tyson and similar posers discuss it on tv [01:41] schestowitz-TR usually the visualisation of the theories around them are like tunnels [01:41] schestowitz-TR the metaphor of worm [01:41] schestowitz-TR akin to Dune [01:41] techrights-news Canonical: What is an [buzzword] marketplace? https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-is-an-iot-marketplace #gnu #linux [01:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What is an IoT marketplace? | Ubuntu [01:42] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's less of a hole and more of a dense blob of mass. [01:42] XRevan86 Density is the defining property here. [01:43] schestowitz-TR is there consensus on that now? [01:43] MinceR it's more of a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff [01:43] schestowitz-TR some people said the mass might get sucked away elsewhere [01:43] schestowitz-TR and the subject of mystique, theories [01:43] techrights-news Giant Working #NERFGun Runs On Tiny #Arduino | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/10/01/giant-working-nerf-gun-runs-on-tiny-arduino/ [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Giant Working NERF Gun Runs On Tiny Arduino | Hackaday [01:43] techrights-news #vaccination https://i.redd.it/3vtmg074c4p71.jpg [01:44] schestowitz-TR intrigue [01:44] schestowitz-TR among the theories you also have that nutty 'string theory' [01:44] schestowitz-TR was it "9 dimensions"? [01:44] schestowitz-TR did they settle on how many? [01:44] schestowitz-TR if that still a thing or did all the cranks retire by now? [01:45] activelow no idea where this originates [01:45] MinceR 10 [01:45] schestowitz-TR in the 9th dimension, joseon is the world's superpower [01:45] MinceR and it probably comes from mathematics [01:45] activelow the real physics is signal processing anyway, with lots of 2-dimensional osciallations visualized, which isn't strings, it is a mathematical model visualisizing some signal [01:45] schestowitz-TR so it's 10 dims because we have 10 fingers? [01:45] MinceR i.e. they have some mathematical construct that seems to describe what we know of the universe accurately [01:45] MinceR and then they try to make sense of it [01:45] activelow most trivial one: sine wave [01:46] schestowitz-TR god does not play decimal [01:46] MinceR and it's 10 dimensions because that's how the strengths of forces work out to the correct values or something like that [01:46] XRevan86 schestowitz: The densispheres are a confirmed fact, and the huge mass and density are what gives them their properties. [01:46] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I think things will settle down with MOAR PATCHES! [01:47] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: so they're magnetmass [01:47] MinceR most of these dimensions are undetectable to us because they're very small, or so they say [01:47] schestowitz-TR less offensive to blacks and to (ass)holes [01:47] MinceR "fucking magnets, how do they work?" [01:48] schestowitz-TR "fuck the internets, me got me some magnets!" [01:48] techrights-news #Locked In Your Home http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156340 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #softwareFreedom #privacy [01:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Locked In Your Home | Tux Machines [01:49] schestowitz-TR BTW, yesterday we had ~3 hours of gemini downtime [01:49] schestowitz-TR my router started acting up after 70 days of uptime [01:49] schestowitz-TR kept not one but two machines offline, refuses to assign IP addresses to them over DHCP [01:49] XRevan86 schestowitz: I haven't heard of them showing any magnetism. [01:49] schestowitz-TR never happened before [01:50] MinceR i had 2 routers die so far, iirc [01:50] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: not electric, just gravity [01:50] MinceR not counting the desktop PC i used to use as a router, with coyote linux [01:50] MinceR which also died [01:50] schestowitz-TR iirc, in a supernova the planet collapses onto itself [01:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: Why magnet- then? [01:50] MinceR iirc [01:50] schestowitz-TR and can turn into deny hole [01:50] schestowitz-TR or explode and send many heavy elements outwards [01:51] XRevan86 a block hole, a giant block of mass [01:51] activelow that's whay it is irritating me, when some pose as science, and talk about "black holes", unnecessarily; magnetic field [01:51] XRevan86 * dense block of mass [01:51] schestowitz-TR mass = hole [01:51] activelow same with "string theory", whatever this is; signal processing here [01:52] schestowitz-TR what a bunch of arsemasses [01:52] activelow "speed of light", it's a running gag, light has no speed property [01:52] XRevan86 https://memecreator.org/static/images/memes/3939283.jpg [01:53] techrights-news Paul E. Mc Kenney on Rusting #Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156327#comment-31234 #rustlang http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [01:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [01:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [01:53] activelow "heisenberg uncertainty", rethink this, with the sampling theorem [01:53] XRevan86 activelow: "light has no speed property" what is speed? [01:53] schestowitz-TR what is light? [01:53] schestowitz-TR photons? [01:53] activelow light? electromagnetic *wave* [01:53] schestowitz-TR are photons matter?? [01:54] XRevan86 activelow: wut [01:54] schestowitz-TR some plants do turn them into matter [01:54] activelow XRevan86: speed typically refers to the physical unit m/s [01:54] techrights-news #LibreOffice on #Chromebooks and #Apache / #OpenOffice http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156339 #TuxMachines [01:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice on Chromebooks and Apache/OpenOffice | Tux Machines [01:55] XRevan86 activelow: And when light travels through space, does it not traverse metres in fractions of a second? [01:55] activelow XRevan86: depends, it is "wave-mechanics" [01:56] activelow similar to, when a stone drops onto the water surface, the impact affacts the entire surface instantly, and waves appear across the entire surface [01:56] XRevan86 activelow: Waves travel at the speed of light. [01:56] activelow the propagation isn't any speed, it is an oscillation of the entire field (water surface) [01:56] techrights-news #FSF job opportunity: Outreach and communications coordinator http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156299#comment-31233 [01:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Foundation (FSF) Tackling Proprietary JavaScript | Tux Machines [01:56] XRevan86 electromagnetic and light waves that is [01:56] activelow XRevan86: no they don't [01:57] XRevan86 They don't travel? [01:57] techrights-news #RedHat / #Fedora To Focus On Driving New Linux Video Improvements Around #PipeWire http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156330#comment-31232 [01:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PipeWire and fixing the Linux Video Capture stack | Tux Machines [01:57] XRevan86 activelow: Does atmosphere not affect their speed? [01:57] activelow "travel" doesn't suffice to describe wave propagation, field mechanics [01:57] XRevan86 don't electromagnetic and light waves *slow down* in atmosphere? [01:58] techrights-news Audiocasts/Shows: Q4OS, LHS, an Hackaday Podcast http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156338 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Q4OS, LHS, an Hackaday Podcast | Tux Machines [01:58] activelow XRevan86: no [01:58] activelow it is a common interpretation to qualify this as "speed", however this is both a misnomer, and unnecessary [01:58] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I've replaced most of my desktop applications with Flatpaks. [01:59] DaemonFC I was like WTF when I saw the size, but it only grabs the files it needs for the applications you are getting. [01:59] MinceR 02 025357 < schestowitz-TR> are photons matter?? [01:59] DaemonFC So it's actually not so bad. [01:59] MinceR no, they're bosons [01:59] activelow at a prism, light is defracted dependeing on spectral components, and the defraction of light at a prism depends on the frequency (not speed) ● Oct 02 [02:00] techrights-news #Games : #Debian GNU/Linux Experience, Godot 3.3.4, and Steam http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156337 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Debian GNU/Linux Experience, Godot 3.3.4, and Steam | Tux Machines [02:00] activelow maybe when physics scientists measure some signal of a particular shape then they name it as boson or whatever [02:00] techrights-news #LLVM 13.0.0 Released, Work on LLVM 14.0.0 Starts http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156336 #program,ing #TuxMachines [02:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LLVM 13.0.0 Released, Work on LLVM 14.0.0 Starts | Tux Machines [02:01] schestowitz-TR activelow: after the person :-) [02:01] activelow for me it is a signal of an electromagnetic wave/field, at whatever scale (macroscopic with huge radio antennas or microscopic when spectra is measured of chemical compounds) [02:01] schestowitz-TR maybe that's why "black hole" [02:01] schestowitz-TR tribute to one person who researches them [02:02] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Google "AI" wrote an episode of Stargate SG-1. [02:02] DaemonFC The actors are coming back to do the script. [02:02] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [02:02] DaemonFC They are kind of formulaic. [02:02] schestowitz-TR Higg's [02:03] MinceR are they? [02:03] schestowitz Peter Higgs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Higgs boson - Wikipedia [02:03] schestowitz-TR we already call stars after people [02:03] schestowitz-TR maybe start branding words [02:03] schestowitz-TR 2 newtons [02:04] XRevan86 schestowitz: 2 newtons of force where? [02:04] schestowitz-TR calvins [02:04] techrights-news #System76 readies high-end Oryx Pro #GNU #Linux laptops with Tiger Lake-H processor and Nvidia RTX dGPU options http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156220#comment-31230 [02:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 Announces Return Of Oryx Pro Linux Laptop With A Crucial Upgrade | Tux Machines [02:04] schestowitz-TR linux [02:05] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156335 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [02:07] techrights-news Sounds like a pretty malicious phone thst lets the government remotely record and watch you when 'misused' (it's already happening, but spun as a 'feature' and 'safety') https://liliputing.com/2021/10/emergency-sos-for-pixel-phones-can-record-videos-call-emergency-services-and-alert-your-contacts.html [02:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Emergency SOS for Pixel phones can record videos, call emergency services and alert your contacts - Liliputing [02:08] techrights-news #Chihuahua -sized robot dog developed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156319#comment-31229 #gnu #linux onboard [02:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meet Mini Pupper: the Robot Dog That Is Just as Smart as a Border Collie | Tux Machines [02:09] techrights-news #Django #Diabetes : a self-hosted Personal Glucose Manager https://medevel.com/django-diabetes/ #python [02:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Django Diabetes: a self-hosted Personal Glucose Manager [02:09] techrights-news Discover the three major #CentOS clones https://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/tip/Discover-the-three-major-CentOS-clones more like #rhel clones. #redhat #gnu #linux [02:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchdatacenter.techtarget.com | Discover the three major CentOS clones [02:12] techrights-news Flaw In #AMD Platform Security Processor Affects Millions Of Computers | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/10/01/flaw-in-amd-platform-security-processor-affects-millions-of-computers/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/10/02/#latest [02:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Flaw In AMD Platform Security Processor Affects Millions Of Computers | Hackaday [02:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [02:12] techrights-news Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/10/01/google-releases-security-updates-chrome #ProprietarySoftware is never meant to be truly secure and people out there cannot see the defects in code (which actually makes it more risky) [02:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISA [02:15] DaemonFC Anyway, I thought schestowitz-TR would get a kick out of Hey Hi Stargate. [02:15] *XRevan86 did [02:15] DaemonFC I might watch just to see what came from it. [02:15] *XRevan86 should remember to listen to https://percona.com/community/events/mariadb-server-fest-2021 once it's out [02:15] DaemonFC But there's no guarantee that a person didn't ghost write it. [02:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.percona.com | MariaDB Server Fest 2021 [02:16] *XRevan86 is curious where Percona will put the accents. [02:16] DaemonFC Google would benefit from a PR coup if it's any good. [02:16] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.25 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 31.11 swarm size (avg): 257.71 [02:16] XRevan86 Both MariaDB and Oracle MySQL have features that the other one doesn't. [02:17] techrights-news #redhat #ibm #layoff #exodus : "When you lose the hearts and minds of the best employees and producers, the company will atrophy. What a shame for what was once great company that is trying to save its way to greatness again." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies [02:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM didn't lose the cloud... - post regarding IBM layoffs [02:17] techrights-news #ibm #layoffs spun as "spinoff". "Getting the USA headcount down to 8% of total worldwide employees has just been a bloodbath. NOTE its the only way to compete in the body shop business Commodity pricing" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies #redhat #Kyndryl [02:17] techrights-news 8 Big New Revelations About #IBM s #Kyndryl Spin-Off https://www.crn.com/slide-shows/managed-services/8-big-new-revelations-about-ibm-s-kyndryl-spin-off #crn #redhat [02:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crn.com | 8 Big New Revelations About IBMs Kyndryl Spin-Off [02:19] activelow completely missed the mariadb fork, and oracle eating Java [02:20] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/21100170 [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5899883) [02:21] techrights-news #redhat #ibm #layoff #exodus : "IBM didn't lose the cloud... They lost their employees. [...] They sure as he-l did. I retired early because of the continued abuse, dumping more work and taking away earning potential!!! Very sad indeed!!!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies [02:21] activelow python in vim is decent, installed some extension, and vim notifies me with warnings in python code [02:21] XRevan86 activelow: The Falcon engine also didn't happen, didn't ye hear? [02:21] activelow same with C, vim even recommends includes, labels typos and things [02:21] techrights-news Links 1/10/2021: #LLVM 13.0.0 Release and Linux Mint Plans http://techrights.org/2021/10/01/llvm-13/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/01/llvm-13/ [02:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 1/10/2021: LLVM 13.0.0 Release and Linux Mint Plans | Techrights [02:22] activelow XRevan86: no, did i miss anything with it? [02:22] activelow probably not. [02:22] XRevan86 activelow: After Oracle bought Sun, the project was closed. [02:22] XRevan86 activelow: Ye won't believe it: InnoDB is the default now. [02:23] techrights-news I had to replace vulpes gemini proxy as it is still down and has been down for over a week already. I wonder if its maintainer is even aware. https://proxy.vulpes.one/ [02:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 502 @ https://proxy.vulpes.one/ ) [02:23] XRevan86 MariaDB also picked InnoDB as the default, it forked the whole combination. It also has additional engines like Aria (extended MyISAM), ColumnStore, MyRocks, et al. [02:24] activelow this was the one with transactions iirc, and who knows what else [02:24] techrights-news "I fear that this might be the position of all judges also hoping to make the big buck at the UPC. They would not be so stupid as to saw the branch on which they are sitting?" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/09/28/germany-and-slovenia-ratify-protocol-on-provisional-application-unified-patent-court/#comments [02:24] MinceR yeah, the one that sort of works like an actual database :> [02:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Germany and Slovenia ratify Protocol on Provisional Application Unified Patent Court - Kluwer Patent Blog [02:24] XRevan86 Finally someone so much out of the loop that this decade-old information feels new :D [02:24] activelow i began to hate SQL, for proprietary extensions everywhere: microsoft, oracle, mysql [02:24] XRevan86 InnoDB is actually transactional, yes. [02:25] activelow stored procedures are neat, performance [02:25] techrights-news #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156334 #TuxMachines [02:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:25] activelow nonetheless, maybe postgresql for this, it can execute python scripts or even c inside the db engine [02:25] activelow since when, stored procedures are among those features which are not... portable [02:26] activelow then IBM became excited, about hibernate, i won't touch any of this [02:26] XRevan86 Very not portable, even with basics as MariaDB/MySQL uses SQL/PSM and PostgreSQL uses PL/SQL. [02:27] techrights-news #DeepinLinux 20.2.4 integrates global desktop search http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156225#comment-31228 #gnu #linux [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Deepin Linux 20.2.4 Released with New Global Search Feature and Linux Kernel 5.13 | Tux Machines [02:29] techrights-news #LinuxMint 20.3 due by Christmas and project's website receives a fresh look http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156314#comment-31226 [02:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.3 Una Arrives This Christmas with Dark Apps and Other Visual Changes | Tux Machines [02:29] activelow i had seen many such web applications, rarely did these ever correctly utilize transactions, nor implement object persistence reasonably [02:29] XRevan86 activelow: Over the years support for the standard features has improved considerably. [02:29] activelow and, maybe someone should have told IBM about "object-relational impedance mismatch", and then they hadn't wasted billions of cash for hibernate [02:29] activelow which did surprise me, given designer of SQL was an IBM employee iirc [02:30] techrights-news Mozilla: Firefox Mistakes, #Mozilla Politics, Outsourcing to Microsoft, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156333 #www #firefox #TuxMachines [02:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla: Firefox Mistakes, Mozilla Politics, Outsourcing to Microsoft, and More | Tux Machines [02:30] activelow maybe IBM itself had forgotten [02:31] techrights-news #LinuxMint 20.3 is named 'Una' and Debian Edition (LMDE) 5 is called 'Elsie' http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156314#comment-31224 [02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.3 Una Arrives This Christmas with Dark Apps and Other Visual Changes | Tux Machines [02:31] activelow XRevan86: even if the RDBMS backend was fully ANSI SQL compliant, the horror begins with the object persistence layer [02:31] activelow vendors promised for years, and i hadn't seen any relevant improvement over somewhat simplistic approached [02:32] activelow maybe utilizing stored procedures for safety/security/transactional stuff, and performance. yet, hibernate? no thanks. [02:32] techrights-news #bt router acting up aggain http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-011021.html#tOct%2001%2014:37:06 [02:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 01, 2021 [02:32] activelow anyway [02:32] activelow some more housekeeping and cleanup to do [02:32] activelow bye [02:33] XRevan86 activelow: I am not sure what ye mean by object persistence. Do ye use "object" in t sense of an object-oriented database? [02:34] techrights-news "gas consumption in Germany (by germans?) was reported to have increased by 40%" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-011021.html#tOct%2001%2022:15:00 [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 01, 2021 [02:34] activelow i mean, data is loaded from the databse into memory, almost always object oriented model [02:34] activelow XRevan86: some "object oriented" extensions exist for databases, such as oracle; no thanks, not convinced. [02:34] techrights-news More of us have added or will add capsules to Gemini http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-011021.html#tOct%2001%2016:31:36 [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 01, 2021 [02:35] techrights-news #PipeWire and fixing the Linux Video Capture stack http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156330 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PipeWire and fixing the Linux Video Capture stack | Tux Machines [02:35] activelow nonetheless, relational data model and object oriented model do not match [02:35] activelow that's whay, hibernate specification stacks up thousands of pages, have fun with this, i won't [02:35] techrights-news #System76 readies high-end Oryx Pro Linux laptops with Tiger Lake-H processor and Nvidia RTX dGPU options http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156329 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 readies high-end Oryx Pro Linux laptops with Tiger Lake-H processor and Nvidia RTX dGPU options | Tux Machines [02:36] activelow why [02:36] XRevan86 activelow: PostgreSQL used to position itself as an object-relational database, there are still remnants of that such as https://postgresql.org/docs/current/tutorial-inheritance.html and https://postgresql.org/docs/current/datatype-oid.html [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: Documentation: 14: 3.6.Inheritance [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: Documentation: 14: 8.19.Object Identifier Types [02:36] XRevan86 Inheritance is a little-known and pretty messed up feature. [02:36] techrights-news First #ArchLinux ISO Powered by Linux Kernel 5.14 Is Now Available for Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156328 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Arch Linux ISO Powered by Linux Kernel 5.14 Is Now Available for Download | Tux Machines [02:36] techrights-news techpol + social irc Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-011021.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-011021.txt GEMINI: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-011021.txt [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 01, 2021 [02:37] activelow XRevan86: i do appreciate relational database systems [02:37] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156332 #Linux #TuxMachines [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:37] activelow the object oriented extensions do not convince me, neither in the database backend nor with beasts such as java hibernate object-relational-mapping [02:37] techrights-news techrights irc Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-011021.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-011021.txt GEMINI: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-011021.txt [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 01, 2021 [02:37] XRevan86 activelow: Anyway, that's what comes to my mind when ye talk about objects. [02:38] XRevan86 Hibernate as in a JPA implementation? [02:38] techrights-news #PocketPC developer units are now shipping (handheld Linux PC) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156331 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pocket P.C. developer units are now shipping (handheld Linux PC) | Tux Machines [02:38] techrights-news boycottnovell irc Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-011021.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-011021.txt GEMINI: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-011021.txt [02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 01, 2021 [02:39] XRevan86 Now it makes more sense. I'm not versed in Java. [02:39] activelow XRevan86: this problem isn't specific to Java [02:39] XRevan86 "the horror begins with" ORM? [02:39] techrights-news techbytes irc Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-011021.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-011021.txt GEMINI: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-011021.txt [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 01, 2021 [02:39] techrights-news #PostgreSQL 14 Ships with Improved Performance for Heavy Workloads http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156268#comment-31225 #psql #postgres [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PostgreSQL 14 Released! | Tux Machines [02:39] activelow this is some elaborate explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object%E2%80%93relational_impedance_mismatch [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Objectrelational impedance mismatch - Wikipedia [02:40] XRevan86 activelow: Was that an ORM rant all along? [02:40] XRevan86 meanwhile I was trying to understand what objects should a DBMS handle for some sort of hibernation that IBM should do somehow :D [02:41] techrights-news Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-10-01.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2021-10-01.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:43] activelow XRevan86: i refrained from hibernate and utilised spring-mvc instead, with almost all features this had to offer: AOP IOC to handle this [02:43] activelow and have come to realize, some python or php script isn't necessarily worse than the IBM beast [02:44] activelow Spring-MVC isn't bad, however, a memory and resource hog; eclipse ide, no thanks [02:48] activelow sadly, even if i wanted to head towards the embedded realm, the development environment there is occupied by those beasts too: eclipse ide, java, c++ [02:49] activelow funny how, 15 years ago some Tectronix engineer visited, with the latst greated multifunction backbone multi-computer (all sorts of optical i/o) [02:50] activelow and then asked, "hey, we need c++ coders"... of cause, on top of microsoft windows [02:50] activelow greatest [02:50] activelow maybe, in a few yeas, when this bubble busts and dust settled, some time remains for a telco engineer to do real work: maths and circuit design [02:52] activelow c coding, assembly, hdl; and i mean the maths domain alone is a lifetime of work ... [02:57] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Another post coming. [02:57] DaemonFC "When I was a Fedora user, I used to spit and curse all the time when they brought in some new kernel that did more harm than good. They always do more harm than good once your computer works well enough that youd be better parking yourself on a LTS Linux kernel. Other parts of the system could be brought in that do something terrible. [02:57] DaemonFC Once, they brought in a new build of the 32-bit x86 libc that contained optimizations that turned out to brick some of my Steam games and I had to wait for them to revert it. When theyre just bringing in new junk all the time and pimping your ride, you just never know what will happen next. Its barely tested. In fact, you are the tester. [02:57] DaemonFC Then, a while later, they brought in a Linux kernel where Intel tried closing a minor security problem in the graphics driver by disabling its power management, thereby causing my Skylake U-based Yoga 900ISK2 (which was basically a SoC architecture design) to consume twice as much power. All of a sudden, my usual 6-8 hours away from the wall became 2 or 3, and I had to back out Linux 5.7 and go to an older kernel _and_ version lock it. By the [02:57] DaemonFC time Intel fixed the power mess, by giving up on fixing the security issue (LOL), my computer had over 160 unpatched security vulnerabilities before I could upgrade the kernel again. [02:57] DaemonFC Now I can just strap some Flatpaks onto Debian 11 and let Debian worry about keeping the underlying system nice and stable, and my computer working properly, and if there is a failure in one of my Flatpak apps, at least it doesnt spill out and ruin the entire OS like a bad OS update could. [02:57] DaemonFC It used to be that Fedora was more hit or miss, and now its just some janky semi-rolling crap that IBM hardly even cares about." [02:58] DaemonFC I think it was 5.7 that broke it. ● Oct 02 [03:01] activelow IBM must have invested alot, into fedora/redhat, and java [03:02] activelow i am not willing to touch any of this, neither redhat nor java, for other reasons [03:03] activelow i did code java for several years, in the recent decade - never again [03:05] activelow if some SAP or IBM consultants want to take the pride for this, i can live with it as long as they stay away from me [03:06] activelow then RPM (and DEB) alike, i haven't understood yet how they could bootstrap their systems and manage releases - in comparison to NetBSD or Gentoo [03:07] activelow Debian takes the place windows7 once had, it is required because others force me to [03:08] activelow and i consider the situation so severe, the industry should think of reestablishing Z80-era production and analog modems to prepare for SHTF [03:08] XRevan86 activelow: IBM and Oracle are two different companies. [03:08] activelow XRevan86: sure, i am approaching this from a vendor-independent perspective, based on technical criteria [03:09] activelow i think it isn't a coincidence Java wasn't easily available on BSD in the earlier days, around 2003 [03:13] activelow XRevan86: too i did visit both basic RDBMS lecture and the advanced oracle one, and did read some books [03:13] activelow nonetheless, oracle is another such entity, who may stay away from me [03:14] activelow and take the pride for their bloat and chaos together with their "competition" [03:14] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 23735 total Total pages: 37591 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 3 months 24 days ago [03:14] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 7.2 GB TotalOut: 1.5 GB [03:14] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:17] activelow meanwhile, i remember a woman, who worked for Telekom in austria, with oracle, and developed some DB utility to record mobile phone tower equipment [03:17] activelow which typically is a load of a gigantic cargo container, hidden in some basement [03:17] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.53 swarm size (avg): 257.73 [03:17] activelow after 15years, i haven't forgotten the sad facial expression of her [03:19] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, "How do Flatpaks compare with Snap from Ubuntu? [03:19] DaemonFC I hate Snap, and that wont change. I think they implemented it poorly. [03:19] DaemonFC It requires a system service that takes hundreds of MB of RAM to manage the software images. Flatpak doesnt. [03:19] DaemonFC When I tried using Snap on Ubuntu, there were many Snaps that just didnt work at all, and one of them was GZDoom, which I have installed on Debian 11 as a Flatpak, and which works fine. [03:19] DaemonFC Snaps require AppArmor, which is a Ubuntu thing, or else theres no sandbox at all, Flatpaks have their own sandbox methods. Snaps are bigger and dont integrate as well with system settings. Flatpak is Free Software on the client _and_ server side, but Snap is totally proprietary on the server side and only Canonical can run a Snap store. [03:19] DaemonFC Canonical claims that Snaps are universal Linux programs, but it doesnt really work properly on other distributions, and most of them have rebuked Snap in forceful language and purged it from their distribution completely, including the Ubuntu-based Mint and Fedora. [03:19] techrights-ipfs-bot QmXTYTLpzWBYZ5xwWzbbZJAw6K15tUSpUQPiKiZLEsKUUq [03:19] DaemonFC Microsoft loves Snap. Of course, when they packaged a DEB, they clobbered Debian system files with it, so when theyre too $%#$ing stupid to package an application and they love Snap, you should know to run. Hell, they screw up their own OS all the time with bad updates." [03:22] activelow DaemonFC: deb/rpm/flatpak/snap discourage a source-based workflow and system integration; all of them [03:23] XRevan86 activelow: https://reproducible-builds.org/ [03:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-reproducible-builds.org | Reproducible Builds a set of software development practices that create an independently-verifiable path from source to binary code [03:24] activelow XRevan86: i do remember this, requires some patches to compiler/linker/toolchain because binaries are not identical when compiled twice [03:25] DaemonFC "Flatpak is the end of dependency hell, system file stomping from third party repos, and many other kinds of problems. [03:25] DaemonFC When you add third party repositories to your distributions package manager, and that person doesnt take care to get along with the OS and not overwrite any of its files, or you install multiple such repositories, you can end up in big trouble really fast. [03:25] DaemonFC In fact, OpenSUSE used to encourage the user to set up multiple such repositories to get extra software, and then the system was immediately broken at setup with food fights over which version of what package to install, which broke this or that, and then broke the package manager and then the OS was ruined. [03:25] DaemonFC Although that was an extreme example. Most distributions are smart enough not to do this. Stupid krauts." [03:25] activelow besides, release management tooling required anyway, gentoo portage or netbsd pkgsrc; i won't touch any RPM/Deb or flat/snap thing [03:28] activelow somehow i am proud of it, none of my preferred systems is listed as supported by flatpak (or snap) [03:28] activelow alpine seems to be willing to take some pride with it, and docker too which i reject [03:29] activelow btw. German Telekom proudly presented their "corona app" server system being deployed as docker image iirc, wt... [03:30] activelow i mean, uhm, doesn't Oracle maintain solaris anymore and sane package management with it??? [03:31] XRevan86 activelow: Now that ye are up to speed with Falcon sit down [03:32] XRevan86 activelow: Oracle closed Solaris up, and it was forked as Illumos. [03:33] XRevan86 ZFS now exists as two incompatible versions, but OpenZFS is what everyone means by ZFS implicitly, so whichever Solaris uses is not what people mean by ZFS. [03:33] activelow sorry XRevan86, already forgot again, falcon, thought it was falcon browser engine, which i am not interested in; maybe yes, talk a little about real Unix and not toys [03:34] activelow i rejected solaris, for the reason being it was proprietary at the time i had the opportunity, and opensolaris was too late, i had quit with telekom at the time it arrived already [03:34] XRevan86 activelow: Ah :). It was a MySQL 6 database engine. [03:35] XRevan86 The browser is called Falkon, and its engine is, well, Chromium's Blink/V8. [03:35] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/what-are-flatpaks-and-how-do-they-help-on-a-gnu-linux-distribution-such-as-debian-why-are-they-better-than-snaps/ [03:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | What are Flatpaks and how do they help on a GNU/Linux distribution such as Debian? Why are they better than Snaps? BaronHK's Rants [03:36] XRevan86 activelow: Oracle doesn't actually show interest in Solaris, they push Oracle Linux, which is RHEL with Oracle's fluff of course. [03:41] XRevan86 But it still exists, and so do SPARCs. [03:41] activelow this is how i deal with dependency hell: rarely no updates at all, gentoo catalyst and gentoo portage, and drop read-only firmwares into squashfs [03:42] activelow any development i do must take the route into a git repo, then through gentoo ebuild, temporarily installed into a tmpfs (optionally persisted across reboots for quick re-install without compilation) [03:42] activelow and when done, i create another release, once or twice a year [03:42] *mib_qwf4yd (~6b75ac04@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [03:43] activelow whenever i hit reset-button, everything which is loaded from squashfs was git hashed and signed from somewhere, and compiled from source [03:43] activelow my idea is this: not make it easy to install binaries, but to make it easy to create binary packages and entire firmware images [03:46] activelow and this is *nix/bsd style, not some proprietary blobware procedures [03:46] activelow and, i do this with low-power arm64 sbc now [03:47] activelow i do not need any SPARC or POWER workstation which sucks 100x the amount of electricity [03:47] *mib_qwf4yd has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [03:49] activelow this is exactly what Deb/RPM and similar do not offer: a relativiley comfortable option for a 100% source based workflow [03:50] activelow the *BSD do it, and offer binary to user comfort, gentoo, didn't try alpine since i jumped into gentoo territory, and some tiny fringe distros [03:51] activelow Deb/RPM and similar are unacceptable as a source-based system, if the vendors wouldn't explain to me how the manage their source based workflow similar to what *BSD and gentoo do [03:52] activelow it is completely irelevant, if Canoncial/microsoft, novel/suse, or IBM/redhat place their label onto binaryblob distros [03:53] activelow maybe, alpine is acceptable, i didn't try it yet, certianly not any deb/rpm, even worse the flatpak thing [03:53] activelow maybe, docker? if the source-based workflow is ok, which i doubt it is [03:55] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/why-i-turned-down-free-phones-from-t-mobile-and-stuck-a-new-battery-in-my-spouses-iphone-se-2020/ [03:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Why I turned down Free phones from T-Mobile and stuck a new battery in my spouses iPhone SE (2020). BaronHK's Rants ● Oct 02 [04:11] activelow seems i was in error, flatpak sneaked into gentoo tree [04:13] activelow it didn't arrive in *bsd [04:16] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.21 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.35 swarm size (avg): 257.75 [04:19] DaemonFC LOL, looks like the gnome metapackage in Debian depends on Libreoffice. [04:20] DaemonFC If you remove the metapackage, nothing bad will happen right away, but if they decide to change what the GNOME desktop has later, then you may end up in a weird predicament. [04:33] activelow seems flatpak builds upon "namespaces", as docker does [04:34] activelow had been thinking about many of the sandboxing techniques, and tried many, and concluded: none [04:35] activelow during the compilation phase, some chroot is utilized, and a dedicated user account, that's it [04:36] activelow i do however spawn X11 as non-root, and isolate irc and browser with dedicated user accounts [04:37] activelow and here is the reason why: NONE of the sandboxing techniques filtered system calls at the granularity ancient systrace/xsystrace (nils provos) did [04:37] activelow and this is exactly the thing i had wanted to see, with seccomp for example, or apparmor, or selinux even: none implemented the filtering interface as i had need it to be, and as it was with systrace/xsystrace from nils provos [04:39] activelow openbsd/netbsd removed systrace support, and implemented pledge() instead, ok. this is a sane choice [04:39] activelow furthermore, i wasn't happy with auditd on linux, for various reasons, to catch some EPERM once in a while, so i disabled this entirely too [04:42] activelow i did find systrace/xsystrace useful, but the ptrace() backend on linux was prone to race conditions and weird side effects [04:43] activelow and, what a horror, the hundreds of syscalls on linux, there is so many now i wouldn't know their names more than 300 and i couldn't at least identify all their names [04:44] activelow the reason distros need to rely on another abstraction with flatpaks and namespaces for security isn't an argument to be made for deployments with flatpak [04:45] activelow it is an argument against all distros which require flatpaks [04:49] activelow same with dependency hell, if this required flatpaks, then this is an argument against any distro and software involved [04:52] activelow https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/sandbox-permissions.html [04:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.flatpak.org | Sandbox Permissions Flatpak documentation [04:53] activelow "limited syscalls"... this is interesting how this was achived, and at which granularity [04:54] activelow if it is seccomp or similar i remember from two years ago it didn't offer what i needed for forensics [04:56] activelow besides, seccomp relied on BPF in kernel, which itself was prone to vulnerabilities, since then i fully removed seccomp/bpf from kernel ● Oct 02 [05:08] kingoffrance thats roughly how i feel, not familiar with all or any of those, but if containers is needed to avoid dependency hell.........there is some packaging problem somewhere, or something with how languages do things for their "modules" ... [05:09] kingoffrance not even that these things, or containers are bad per se -- but seems actual level where there are issues, will not be solved, because "good enough" to work around at another level [05:09] kingoffrance same thing, with say process migration versus migrating a whole vm [05:09] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [05:10] *mib_qwf4yd (~6b75ac04@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights [05:10] kingoffrance maybe thats a bad thing. maybe one does not need that granularity. but, if there is "good enough" then it likely will not get much work [05:14] *mib_qwf4yd has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [05:16] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:16] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.55 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 37.05 swarm size (avg): 257.76 [05:20] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:27] kingoffrance lots of ppl talk about nixos, but i have not used [05:29] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights [05:29] activelow i am more interested in the tools to maintain a system from source, then the final result [05:29] activelow than [05:30] activelow that's why, i favor *bsd or gentoo, because the source-based workflow and control [05:31] activelow besides the tools, typically a sane system provides a portage/pkgsrc type tree for the entire system and software used [05:33] activelow and, no no no, Deb/RPM do not provide what i consider free and opensource, at least i didn't find it [05:36] activelow nixos seems to be a candidate, it provides both some tool and tree required; it probably is less powerful than gentoo [05:36] activelow at first glance inside git repos of nixos and nixpkg [05:39] activelow i cannot afford to loose the power of gentoo tooling, to track very specific things, and to remove them ● Oct 02 [06:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [06:14] *swaggboi has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [06:18] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.90 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 27.18 swarm size (avg): 257.77 [06:27] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [06:30] *swaggboi has quit (Client Quit) [06:42] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [06:47] *Librarian (~ld@70147.numbersstation.org) has joined #techrights ● Oct 02 [07:02] *sears_hardware has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:16] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 18.45 swarm size (avg): 257.79 [07:22] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:26] activelow debian apt sources.list ... interesting it is named "sources" and not binaries.list [07:29] activelow since sources.list points to binaries, not at least some pkgsrc type tree for easy navigation of the build-system... none to be had [07:41] gustaf activelow: check out section "II" from gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/zine/issue001/index.gmi for a nice overview of UTC and leap seconds [07:41] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, October 01, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [07:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [07:41] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [07:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [07:42] techrights-news #LinuxMint 20.3 "Una" Arrives this Christmas http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156342 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [07:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.3 "Una" Arrives this Christmas | Tux Machines [07:45] techrights-news NEWS #BSDly #BSD What every IT person needs to know about #OpenBSD https://bsdly.blogspot.com/2021/09/what-every-it-person-needs-to-know.html [07:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsdly.blogspot.com | That grumpy BSD guy: What every IT person needs to know about OpenBSD [07:45] techrights-news NEWS #JeffGeerling #OpenHardware Attaching to a Raspberry Pi's Serial Console (UART) for debugging https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2021/attaching-raspberry-pis-serial-console-uart-debugging [07:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jeffgeerling.com | Attaching to a Raspberry Pi's Serial Console (UART) for debugging | Jeff Geerling [07:47] techrights-news NEWS #CCC #Education Auch 2021 leider kein Congress in #Leipzig https://events.ccc.de/2021/10/01/absage_praesenz_2021/#english "For this reason, we have jointly decided not to have a presence event in Leipzig this year." [07:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-events.ccc.de | Auch 2021 leider kein Congress in Leipzig - CCC Event Blog [07:47] techrights-news NEWS #TechSpot #Education Some students don't understand the concept of computer files and folders https://www.techspot.com/news/91434-students-dont-understand-concept-computer-files-folders.html [07:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Some students don't understand the concept of computer files and folders | TechSpot [07:48] *m___ (~Adium@mfgnrw6khgqhe.irc) has joined #techrights [07:48] techrights-news NEWS #AppleInsider #ProprietarySoftware #Apple making display repairs harder on iPhone 13 Pro is a step too far https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/09/28/apple-making-display-repairs-harder-on-iphone-13-pro-is-a-step-too-far [07:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple making display repairs harder on iPhone 13 Pro is a step too far | AppleInsider [07:49] techrights-news #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware White House plans 30-country meeting on cyber crime and ransomware https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/white-house-plans-30-country-meeting-on-cyber-crime-and-ransomware/86699702 [07:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | White House plans 30-country meeting on cyber crime and ransomware, IT News, ET CIO [07:49] techrights-news NEWS #TheHill #Surveillance #Privacy #Google cancels plan to offer bank accounts to users https://thehill.com/policy/technology/574944-google-cancels-plan-to-offer-bank-accounts-to-users [07:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google cancels plan to offer bank accounts to users | TheHill [07:50] techrights-news NEWS #PCLinux #Surveillance #Privacy KDE's Telemetry: The Tip Of The Iceberg? https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202109/page09.html [07:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com | PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 9 [07:51] activelow thanks gustaf [07:57] activelow interesting, CCC had scheduled their congress in my hometown, Leipzig, this year. and cancelled it. [07:57] schestowitz yeah [07:57] activelow couldn't afford to travel home anyway. [07:58] schestowitz BTW, we beat you at football 6-3 :-) [07:58] activelow morning ;) [07:59] activelow RedBull Leipzig isn't considered a Leipzig club by most original inhabitants, it is Lokomotive Leipzig or Chemistry Leipzig soccer clubs which are ● Oct 02 [08:02] schestowitz we have OilMoney manCity [08:02] schestowitz some of the players are local [08:02] schestowitz like,..... one [08:02] schestowitz Foden [08:03] schestowitz even Man United is more local [08:05] activelow nonetheless, RedBull is an interesting team, who had sourced many European talents [08:05] schestowitz Angelino [08:05] schestowitz he played for ManCity for a year... not much though [08:06] activelow the best scorer from austria, the best scorer from sweden... RedBull is a european team, and a good one [08:06] activelow nonetheless, the smaller soccer stadiums are different, often surrounded by forest and beautiful landscape, and different atmosphere [08:12] *immibis (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [08:13] *immibis (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [08:16] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.90 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 16.18 swarm size (avg): 257.82 [08:19] techrights-news SSL certificates became little but a pyramid scheme of so-called trust. The founder of #ubuntu was an early beneficiary of this MLM scheme. I'm willing to elaborate/justify/explain this stance. 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[08:41] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #Monopolies #Google says Bing users search for Google more than anything else https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/1/22703263/google-lawyer-argues-bing-used-find-google-top-search-defaults [08:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Google says Bing users search for Google more than anything else - The Verge [08:42] techrights-news NEWS #Variety #Copyrights #ScarlettJohansson and #Disney Settle Black Widow Pay Lawsuit https://variety.com/2021/film/news/scarlett-johansson-disney-lawsuit-settled-1235078355/ [08:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Scarlett Johansson, Disney Settle 'Black Widow' Lawsuit - Variety [08:43] techrights-news NEWS #EestiRahvusringhling #Copyrights ERR and Telia reach agreement on TV transmission https://news.err.ee/1608354896/err-and-telia-reach-agreement-on-tv-transmission [08:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://news.err.ee/1608354896/err-and-telia-reach-agreement-on-tv-transmission ) [08:44] techrights-news NEWS #HollywoodReporter #Copyrights #ScarlettJohansson , #Disney Settle Explosive Black Widow Lawsuit https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/scarlett-johansson-disney-settle-black-widow-lawsuit-1235022598/ [08:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Scarlett Johansson, Disney Lawsuit Settled Over Black Widow The Hollywood Reporter [08:45] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:53] gustaf I remember Debian showing how to install from source [08:53] gustaf but compiling from source is something even OpenBSD discourages for a normal system [08:54] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Facebook #FB Facebook: Amplifying The Good Or The Bad? 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It's Getting Ugly | Techdirt [08:55] schestowitz-TR gustaf: true [08:55] schestowitz-TR compiling from source is absolutely OK when you have fixed hardware [08:55] schestowitz-TR like... apple crap [08:55] schestowitz-TR so you can assure the deterministic process will succeed without having to debug [08:55] schestowitz-TR but then, what benefit [08:56] schestowitz-TR I give you a "standard" box with source [08:56] schestowitz-TR unless you are going to actually change the source, what's the benefit [08:56] schestowitz-TR you could compile the exact same code as millions of other users [08:56] schestowitz-TR and get the same binary [08:56] schestowitz-TR so might as well grab that binary instead [08:57] schestowitz-TR if you do customise the code before compiling though, there's a chance the results woule suck [08:57] schestowitz-TR not just for the one package whose code you change [08:57] schestowitz-TR there might be many things dependent on it [08:58] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [08:58] schestowitz-TR it gets worse: [08:59] schestowitz-TR sometimes I want to change code, e.g. in KDE, to do something better [08:59] schestowitz-TR but unless I push it upsteam, an update to the whole KDE or that application would overrisde [08:59] schestowitz-TR so you need to maintain a patchset [08:59] schestowitz-TR then apply it again and again every time there is a system update ● Oct 02 [09:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:00] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:00] schestowitz-TR for a large company it's doable and worth the effort, but single users? Not as much... [09:01] techrights-news NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux See what sounds look like with Raspberry Pi Pico https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/see-what-the-sounds-around-you-look-like-with-raspberry-pi-pico/ [09:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | See what sounds look like with Raspberry Pi Pico - Raspberry Pi [09:02] techrights-news NEWS #FortranLang #Fortran newsletter: October 2021 https://fortran-lang.org/newsletter/2021/10/01/Fortran-Newsletter-October-2021/ [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fortran-lang.org | Fortran newsletter: October 2021 - Fortran Programming Language [09:03] techrights-news NEWS #Site36 Undercover operations: #UK special court sentences #police for sexual relations https://digit.site36.net/2021/10/01/undercover-operations-uk-special-court-sentences-police-for-sexual-relations/ [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-digit.site36.net | Undercover operations: UK special court sentences police for sexual relations Matthias Monroy [09:03] techrights-news NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity #FCC Proposal Targets SIM Swapping, Port-Out Fraud https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/10/fcc-proposal-targets-sim-swapping-port-out-fraud/ [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | FCC Proposal Targets SIM Swapping, Port-Out Fraud Krebs on Security [09:04] techrights-news This week in KDE: Getting Plasma 5.23 ready for release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156343 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Getting Plasma 5.23 ready for release | Tux Machines [09:06] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 01, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/irc-log-011021/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/irc-log-011021/ [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 01, 2021 | Techrights [09:08] activelow my argument was the tools and the *complete* build-system tree to compile form source must be available, which isn't with debian, at least i couldn't find it [09:08] activelow and although OpenBSD doesn't encourage to build from source, OpenBSD does provide *all* tools, complete build-system tree, and documentation to do so when necessary [09:11] activelow my opionion is this, developers should use low-power systems and compile everything from source with those; and then rethink their decisions [09:12] activelow because for almost one year now i optimized the workflow to achieve this on low power arm SBC distcc cluster to maintain all software i am using compiled from source [09:13] activelow needless to say this approach makes it easier to create patches, remove malicious components, review particular sources [09:13] activelow which I do, and most binary-distro users do not [09:16] *sears_hardware (~search_social@akqta89mfqm5k.irc) has joined #techrights [09:41] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:42] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [09:42] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [09:57] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch Roaming Charges: The Dirtiest Word of All https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/01/roaming-charges-28/ "Even though Obamas crackdowns on whistleblowers rivaled Nixons in their ferocity, he backed off from indicting Assange" [09:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Roaming Charges: The Dirtiest Word of All - CounterPunch.org [09:58] *wallacer has quit (Quit: wallace dozed off) [09:59] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights ● Oct 02 [10:06] *activelow (~activelow@e7nhetqhefcbe.irc) has joined #techrights [10:09] techrights-news #ibm #layoffs "Processes and technologies are nothing without people that lives them and the magic and invisible glue of all of this is the the respect they deserve or they would have deserved , those people. Cause what is lost is lost." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies [10:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM didn't lose the cloud... - post regarding IBM layoffs [10:10] techrights-news "Anything for early October though? I got an unexpected meeting invitation from my manager for early next week." #ibm #layoffs https://www.thelayoff.com/t/184dZszC#replies [10:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Layoffs 2021 - post regarding IBM layoffs [10:14] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Bond's "No Time to Die" Leaks on Pirate Sites Before U.S. Premiere https://torrentfreak.com/bonds-no-time-to-die-leaks-on-pirate-sites-before-u-s-premiere-211001/ [10:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bond's "No Time to Die" Leaks on Pirate Sites Before U.S. Premiere * TorrentFreak [10:14] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #EU Parliament Committee Adopts Digital Services Act https://torrentfreak.com/eu-parliament-committee-adopts-digital-services-act-211001/ [10:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU Parliament Committee Adopts Digital Services Act * TorrentFreak [10:24] techrights-news [Comments noteworthy] KDE's Telemetry: The Tip of the Iceberg? - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/09/30/1515211 #soylentnews #kde #gnu #linux [10:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | KDE's Telemetry: The Tip of the Iceberg? - SoylentNews [10:36] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:37] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:48] techrights-news iophk: #rossmanngroup apparently unaware of the role of shills and astroturfers https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/freedom-is-going-mainstream.:8 [10:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Freedom is going mainstream. AppleInsider editorial language gives me hope. [10:49] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [10:49] techrights-news #rossmanngroup : subject to fines and penalties for refurbishing old computers https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/my-business-is-being-audited-by-new-york:f [10:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | My business is being AUDITED by New York State! [10:50] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [10:51] techrights-news "Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate ..." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21675773 #joindiaspora [10:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody@joindiaspora.com: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/01/apple-amazon-microsoft-disney-lobby-groups-climate-bill-analysis turns out they are even more evil than we thought... [10:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill | US political lobbying | The Guardian [10:52] techrights-news #geminiProtocol in #newsgroups #nntp #usenet https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Comp.infosystems.gemini_RFD [10:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.big-8.org | Comp.infosystems.gemini RFD - Usenet Big-8 Management Board [10:53] techrights-news iophk: " #netneutrality is not even mentioned in most of the SK v #Netflix decision's articles, even though it upends it *AND* the Koreans are already paying for bandwidth; SK has been granted permission to double dip" [10:53] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@tnxugezmmi87e.irc) has joined #techrights [10:55] *swaggboi has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [10:55] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights ● Oct 02 [11:05] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:08] techrights-news #OpenSourceInitiative (OSI) Leadership Changing, Quite Likely for the Better http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/osi-change/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/osi-change/ [11:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Source Initiative (OSI) Leadership Changing, Quite Likely for the Better | Techrights [11:14] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/VokrugLinux/status/1444218456992276483#m [11:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | Linux (@VokrugLinux): " 18 " GNU GPL" http://techrights.org/2021/09/21/rms-ukraine-talk/ [11:14] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: what does that say? [11:35] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:36] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:36] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@s24psf2syda8e.irc) has joined #techrights [11:38] DaemonFC Client: HexChat 2.14.3 OS: Debian 11.0 CPU: 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz (749MHz) Memory: Physical: 15.1GiB Total (12.2GiB Free) Swap: 16.6GiB Total (16.5GiB Free) Storage: 91.8GB / 473.6GB (381.8GB Free) VGA: Intel Corporation TigerLake GT2 [Iris Xe Graphics] @ Intel Corporation 11th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers Uptime: 13m 57s [11:38] DaemonFC :) [11:38] DaemonFC I brought in the Linux 5.10.70 kernel to replace 5.10.46. [11:39] DaemonFC For some reason, update-initramfs wasn't happy about my swap partition. Not sure where that came into play. [11:40] DaemonFC It would mount it and use it, but it was complaining that the UUID for the partition was wrong and to set the resume variable to correct the issue. [11:41] DaemonFC https://askubuntu.com/questions/1060917/swap-from-partition-to-file-now-get-no-matching-swap-device-is-available [11:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-askubuntu.com | resume - Swap: From partition to file, now get "no matching swap device is available" - Ask Ubuntu [11:42] DaemonFC Although there is no swapfile in Debian (unless you set it up without a swap partition and use a file), the accepted answer here fixed my problem. [11:42] DaemonFC I don't like swapfiles because they've just had too many problems. [11:43] DaemonFC They can end up getting degraded pretty badly and thrown in bits and pieces all over the same partition you're using for /, and the kernel has had bugs where it tries to write to the swapfile and accidentally starts spewing stuff meant for swap into your main file system by mistake. [11:45] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:45] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:45] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:45] techrights-news #Privacy Primer: Partitioning Email, Phone Numbers, Devices https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/partition:5 #RobBraxmanTech [11:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Privacy Primer: Partitioning Email, Phone Numbers, Devices [11:45] DaemonFC And BtrFS just hates these things, and you have to set up a special subvolume for them and use non-default mount options that are known to be particularly buggy, even by BtrFS's low standards. [11:46] DaemonFC Then there's been bugs like the swapfile accidentally being included in snapshots. [11:46] DaemonFC It's just dumb. Even if you don't use BtrFS, which itself is quite dumb. [11:47] DaemonFC Calling BtrFS perpetually half done is putting it mildly. Even though it's broken shit, Facebook can get away with it because they have redundancy in their storage and when the file system eventually fails it's not a huge disaster for them. [11:48] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Pirate #IPTV Service Nitro IPTV Asks Court to Dismiss #Hollywood Lawsuit https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-iptv-service-nitro-iptv-asks-court-to-dismiss-hollywood-lawsuit-211001/ [11:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pirate IPTV Service Nitro IPTV Asks Court to Dismiss Hollywood Lawsuit * TorrentFreak [11:50] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [11:50] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [11:51] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [11:56] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [11:56] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights ● Oct 02 [12:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [12:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.90 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 28.11 swarm size (avg): 257.84 [12:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.90 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 28.11 swarm size (avg): 257.84 [12:06] schestowitz-TR wow, lots of RAM [12:06] schestowitz-TR you can tell this was told with WINDOWS ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ [12:07] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: you have more RAM than all my 4 laptops COMBINED [12:10] DaemonFC My old laptop has 16 GB. [12:10] DaemonFC I don't buy one unless it has a lot of RAM. [12:10] schestowitz-TR those cost more [12:10] schestowitz-TR over 500 dollars for sure [12:10] DaemonFC 8 GB is way too small for Windows, and they don't save you a lot of money. [12:10] schestowitz-TR for silly gimmicks like fingerprint scanners [12:10] schestowitz-TR like, WTH?? [12:10] DaemonFC Maybe $30-40 on a $1,000 laptop. [12:10] DaemonFC Why do it? [12:11] schestowitz-TR What's for it in a 'residential' machine? [12:11] DaemonFC Never hitting the SWAP file ever unless something REALLY bad is going on. :) [12:11] schestowitz-TR linux does use the swap [12:11] schestowitz-TR it reserves abouyt 32kb there [12:11] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I tested out what it takes to run my system out of RAM and get it to start using the SWAP. [12:12] schestowitz-TR it might even overuse iot for reasons I do not fully understand [12:12] DaemonFC Under Debian 11, if you open more than 100 web page tabs in GNOME Web and go past 95%, it starts swapping. [12:13] DaemonFC Probably could get away with more if I used a lighter desktop, but then again, GNOME itself has been nailing a lot of bad bloat/leak problems over the last couple of years. [12:13] schestowitz-TR swapping ion ssd can be fast [12:14] schestowitz-TR disk i/o speeds are not bad [12:14] DaemonFC Yeah, I didn't notice any real slowdown when it started swapping. [12:14] DaemonFC I have an NVME SSD. [12:15] techrights-news "I've been thinking for a while that it should be possible to repeat Gemini's trick of updating a classic protocol (gopher) to take into account the realities of the modern internet" https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007246.html [12:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [off-topic] [tech] talkat [12:19] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch #Assange #wikileaks #assassination Murderous Fantasies: the US Intelligence Effort Against Assange https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/01/murderous-fantasies-the-us-intelligence-effort-against-assange/ [12:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Murderous Fantasies: the US Intelligence Effort Against Assange - CounterPunch.org [12:20] techrights-news Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: #BillGates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ [12:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights [12:21] techrights-news #BillGates Over #Microsoft Skype in Gates-Funded PBS http://techrights.org/2021/09/28/gates-funded-pbs/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/28/gates-funded-pbs/ [12:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Over Microsoft Skype in Gates-Funded PBS | Techrights [12:22] techrights-news #NPR and #PBS , Both Funded by #BillGates , Try to Save Him http://techrights.org/2021/09/24/npr-and-pbs-bought-media/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/24/npr-and-pbs-bought-media/ [12:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NPR and PBS, Both Funded by Bill Gates, Try to Save Him | Techrights [12:23] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/linux-5-10-70-lands-in-debian-11-proposed-updates/ [12:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Linux 5.10.70 lands in Debian 11 Proposed Updates BaronHK's Rants [12:23] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, ^ [12:25] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:26] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: I will catch it in RSS later on [12:27] DaemonFC It seems like there really ought to be more frequent kernel updates than this in Debian though. [12:28] DaemonFC Letting 2,200 bug fixes pile up between releases? [12:28] DaemonFC I mean, I get not wanting to reboot the computer all the time, but some of these are quite bad. [12:28] techrights-news Lots of software crashes lately, even in new and fully patched software, due to the certificates #PyramidScheme of the likes of #linuxfoundation and other monopolists. Sept. 30th = software Sept. 11st. [12:29] techrights-news The #OpenSourceInitiative (OSI) changed its public faces and judging by what weve been seeing in recent weeks theres room for hope because of the new leaders history/track record http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/osi-change/ #Techrights #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/osi-change/ [12:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Source Initiative (OSI) Leadership Changing, Quite Likely for the Better | Techrights [12:29] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Yes, don't use regular Linux releases if you can avoid it. [12:29] DaemonFC Use the LTS stuff. [12:30] techrights-news Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156344 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [12:30] DaemonFC In the past few years, the regular releases have been getting released and they're just too buggy to exist, honestly. [12:30] DaemonFC And that's why Fedora is such a pain in the ass lately. [12:31] techrights-news Oops. Did I just type Sept. 11st? I meant 11th, but in #socialcontrolmedia editing isn't allowed. [12:31] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: yes, LTS is OK [12:31] schestowitz-TR depending on the project [12:31] schestowitz-TR Vista is rolling release [12:31] schestowitz-TR and not even good at that [12:31] activelow DaemonFC: if you don't like swap-files, zram is what i am using, since some got 1GiB of RAM and sometimes, it is useful [12:32] schestowitz-TR with radical outcomes like refusing to even bootstrap [12:32] activelow zram compresses to ~50%, and it is fast enough on limited arm [12:32] activelow i recommend zram, not zswap [12:32] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #monopoly The 'Digital Divide' Didn't Just Show Up One Day. It's The Direct Result Of Telecom Monopolization https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210929/06595947657/digital-divide-didnt-just-show-up-one-day-direct-result-telecom-monopolization.shtml [12:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The 'Digital Divide' Didn't Just Show Up One Day. It's The Direct Result Of Telecom Monopolization | Techdirt [12:35] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #TampaBay PD's 'Crime-Free Housing' Program Disproportionately Targeted Black Residents, Did Nothing To Reduce Crime https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210917/20095547584/tampa-bay-pds-crime-free-housing-program-disproportionately-targeted-black-residents-did-nothing-to-reduce-crime.shtml [12:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tampa Bay PD's 'Crime-Free Housing' Program Disproportionately Targeted Black Residents, Did Nothing To Reduce Crime | Techdirt [12:37] DaemonFC with radical outcomes like refusing to even bootstrap [12:37] DaemonFC Booting successfully is too modern, as is shutting down and rebooting successfully. That's why systemd was introduced to prevent it. [12:37] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [12:38] DaemonFC The 90 second default wait for hung processes that are never going to respond is always so nice though. [12:38] DaemonFC It's so great that Debian just implemented this so it can be like Fedora there if anything glitches on shutdown. [12:39] activelow nilfs2 and reset-button, it's awesome [12:42] DaemonFC https://groups.google.com/g/linux.debian.bugs.rc/c/ylqL47-L4_U?pli=1 [12:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com | Bug#838310: keyboard-configuration: user configuration lost + error message from setupcon [12:43] DaemonFC I got this one when it would update initramfs [12:43] DaemonFC I had to dpkg reconfigure my keyboard, even though it used exactly the same settings as before. [12:43] DaemonFC Anyway....now I seem to have solved all of those ugly error messages. [12:43] activelow $ loadkeys en [12:43] DaemonFC How do things like this end up in LTS release distros? [12:48] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Censorship Against 'Content Moderation' And The Concentration Of Power https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211001/11502947676/against-content-moderation-concentration-power.shtml [12:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Against 'Content Moderation' And The Concentration Of Power | Techdirt [12:48] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Censorship Ken Popehat White (Again) Shows How To Respond To A Completely Thuggish Legal Threat Letter https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210930/17413447671/ken-popehat-white-again-shows-how-to-respond-to-completely-thuggish-legal-threat-letter.shtml [12:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ken Popehat White (Again) Shows How To Respond To A Completely Thuggish Legal Threat Letter | Techdirt [12:48] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut "Diversity," "White Supremacist" Among Terms WI GOP Seeks to Ban in Schools https://truthout.org/articles/diversity-white-supremacist-among-terms-wi-gop-seeks-to-ban-in-schools/ [12:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | "Diversity," "White Supremacist" Among Terms WI GOP Seeks to Ban in Schools [12:51] techrights-news NEWS #MichaelGeist Tracking the Submissions: What the Government Heard in its Online Harms Consultation (Since It Refuses to Post Them) https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2021/10/tracking-the-submissions-what-the-government-heard-in-its-online-harms-consultation-since-it-refuses-to-post-them/ [12:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.michaelgeist.ca | Tracking the Submissions: What the Government Heard in its Online Harms Consultation (Since It Refuses to Post Them) - Michael Geist [12:53] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Sony #PS4 Battery Time-Keeping Time-Bomb Silently Patched By Sony; #PS3 Consoles Still Waiting https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210930/10355647667/ps4-battery-time-keeping-time-bomb-silently-patched-sony-ps3-consoles-still-waiting.shtml [12:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PS4 Battery Time-Keeping Time-Bomb Silently Patched By Sony; PS3 Consoles Still Waiting | Techdirt [12:54] techrights-news NEWS #TheNation By a Huge Margin, #Berlin Votes to Expropriate Corporate Landlords https://www.thenation.com/article/world/berlin-housing-gentrification/ [12:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | By a Huge Margin, Berlin Votes to Expropriate Corporate Landlords | The Nation [12:58] DaemonFC https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration [12:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.linuxaudio.org | System configuration [Linux-Sound] [12:58] DaemonFC Good information. Yes, in very old kernels (2.6 series), I was using realtime packages. [12:59] techrights-news "If you use #Microsoft in part of your infrastructure, you will get hacked. The question is not 'If', the question is 'When'". https://mastodon.sdf.org/@ParadeGrotesque/107022485698968739 [12:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.sdf.org | Parade du Grotesque : "I will say it again and again and again and... "" - Mastodon @ SDF ● Oct 02 [13:00] techrights-news #microsoft and #billgates killed public #education (other parties did the same). "In general, I'm amazed at how little most people know about most stuff." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/107018200242924733 [13:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "I must agree, this is very scary. https://www.tec" - Mastodon - NZOSS [13:01] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, "Secure Boot" retard, mjg59_ thinks that it's great, even though more than a decade in, people are still escaping locked bootloaders, even when the code is much better than this fucking PC shit. [13:01] techrights-news "Google is aware the exploits for CVE-2021-37975 and CVE-2021-37976 exist in the wild." https://bsd.network/@florian/107025491176309290 #google and #security are opposites because Google works for the "security state", which mandates back door access. [13:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsd.network | florian :flan_hacker:: "Google is aware the exploits for CVE-2021-37975 a" - BSD Network [13:01] DaemonFC "Fix your goddamned bugs!" is apparently too difficult a concept in order to prevent attacks. [13:02] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:02] DaemonFC You have to use shitty firmware with bugs that subvert your "security features" in the firmware. [13:02] schestowitz-TR computers become more nasty over time [13:02] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:02] schestowitz-TR to fix this, it helps to get somewhat old PCs [13:02] schestowitz-TR they're also offloaded onto us cheaply [13:02] schestowitz-TR I can get a decent machine for 100 pounds [13:02] schestowitz-TR and configure it for me in under an hour [13:02] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights [13:03] schestowitz-TR barrier/synergy, apt-get with many packages that I want in one single command [13:03] schestowitz-TR then enlist it into the hive [13:03] schestowitz-TR I use 5 PCs at the moment [13:03] schestowitz-TR connected to one mouse, one keyboard [13:03] DaemonFC Most modern software is overflowing with bugs. [13:03] schestowitz-TR one of them functions as head-ful server with a large screen for monitoring [13:03] DaemonFC I'd hate to say it's never been worse, but it has (1990s). [13:04] schestowitz-TR Debian 10 will be good for several more years [13:04] DaemonFC My tricked out Windows 98 was actually quite stable. [13:04] schestowitz-TR they don't need to fix much, just don't break anything (or too much) [13:04] DaemonFC I almost never had to reboot it. [13:04] schestowitz-TR Windows 98 was a toy [13:04] DaemonFC Microsoft made it incredibly unstable with the IE Shell update, Internet Explorer, and other trash. [13:04] schestowitz-TR I used it for winamp and stuff [13:05] DaemonFC Removing the garbage and getting Windows 98 down to size and using the Windows 95 OSR 2.1 shell made it pretty okay for what it was. [13:05] techrights-news "The fact that a small minority of ebookshops (and it is very small) use DRM, while also holding a monopoly on ebook sales (through vertical integration with ereaders), means they're seen as the norm, when in fact they're not." https://mstdn.io/@bryanblood/107019342082981868 [13:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mstdn.io | Bryan Blood: "@libreture@mastodon.social More anecdotal as it i" - Mastodon [13:06] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: do you want us to syndicate some of your articles in TR, e.g. if they are about general issues and less personal? [13:06] DaemonFC About 2/3rds of the entire Windows 98 OS, as measured by on disk footprint, was junk and trash that Microsoft threw in there that really had no purpose. [13:06] schestowitz-TR for example, an article about UEFI 'secure boot' [13:06] DaemonFC DaemonFC: do you want us to syndicate some of your articles in TR, e.g. if they are about general issues and less personal? [13:06] DaemonFC Sure. [13:06] schestowitz-TR Windows came with clipart [13:06] schestowitz-TR you might think it belongs outside an OS [13:07] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I might write about Lenovo recommending that you turn off Secure Boot in their own instruction manual. [13:07] *CParadoxum_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:07] schestowitz-TR that sounds interesting [13:07] DaemonFC And include the PDF so they can't delete it to prevent embarrassment later. [13:07] schestowitz-TR we've not covered uefi in a while [13:07] schestowitz-TR the secure boot issue did not go away [13:07] schestowitz-TR so maybe they try to appease Windows/Micropsoft [13:08] schestowitz-TR for OEM discountsa [13:08] schestowitz-TR but then say, actually, don't do that [13:08] techrights-news "No #CCC congress in Leipzig this year, again. It's sad but the only acceptable solution." https://mastodon.social/@_xhr_/107025694103457702 [13:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Matthias Schmidt: "No #CCC congress in Leipzig this year, again. It'" - Mastodon [13:09] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/tp_p1_gen2_ubuntu_18.04_lts_installation_v1.0.pdf [13:09] DaemonFC Lenovo: Turn off Secure Boot and Intel VMD to install Linux. [13:09] techrights-news "CIA plan to poison Assange wasnt needed. The US found a lawful way to disappear him" https://mas.to/@lydiaconwell/107024690263809845 [13:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lydia Conwell: "CIA plan to poison Assange wasnt needed. The US " - mas.to [13:10] DaemonFC Secure Boot is pointless, especially on a Linux system where you're unlikely to run into actual malware unless you're just plain stupid. [13:10] techrights-news "weighed up whether to use wholly extrajudicial means to deal with the supposed threat posed by Julian Assange and his whistleblowers platform Wikileaks. The agency plotted either to kidnap or assassinate him." https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2021-09-30/us-plans-poison-assange/ [13:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jonathan-cook.net | CIA plan to poison Assange wasnt needed. The US found a lawful way to disappear him [13:10] DaemonFC What, all 5-6 pieces of it in the last 20 years? Windows gets that in less than an hour! [13:11] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [13:11] DaemonFC And in most cases where there was a Linux malware example, you had to actually install it going against best practices. [13:11] DaemonFC It didn't just suddenly appear and go HAHAHA! We encrypted your files! Pay up, chump! [13:12] schestowitz-TR yes, I agree [13:12] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [13:14] techrights-news Don't ever forgot the role played by #theguardian in the kidnapping of #assange ... by fabricating things and blackmailing people into sacrificing him. #boycottGuardian .. don't worry, they'll survive because #famousCriminal #billgates is bankrolling them for PR and silence. [13:16] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.53 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 9.81 swarm size (avg): 257.85 [13:22] *CParadoxum_ (~quassel@m4gsqtdgyy73q.irc) has joined #techrights [13:29] techrights-news #ProprietarySoftware and #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156345 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [13:29] techrights-news Discover the three major #CentOS clones http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156346 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #IBM [13:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Discover the three major CentOS clones | Tux Machines [13:29] techrights-news #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156347 [13:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [13:30] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156348 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [13:32] techrights-news #ibm is partnering with #microsoft through #Kyndryl so prepare to be disgusted and move to other distros, #freesw etc. IBM is not our friend! http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/ibm-led-mob/ [13:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IBM is NOT a Friend of Free Software | Techrights [13:35] techrights-news Links 2/10/2021: #OpenBSD Explained, Monthly Fortran Report, and More http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/monthly-fortran-report/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/monthly-fortran-report/ [13:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/10/2021: OpenBSD Explained, Monthly Fortran Report, and More | Techrights [13:36] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/tp_p15_p17_p1_gen3_ubuntu_20.04_lts_installation_v1.0.pdf [13:36] DaemonFC I'm going to be quoting this. [13:37] techrights-news Remember that the #ibm "we're against racism" facade is nothing but a smokescreen that attempts to distract from the REALITY of IBM. http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Racism [13:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights [13:37] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: good, it's an important subject [13:37] schestowitz-TR should I download it or you? [13:38] schestowitz-TR if we repost this, better copy the document over from wordpress.com as Lenovo can issue DMCA for censorship ● Oct 02 [14:06] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [14:07] *CrystalMath (~coderain@342d8ts42pby6.irc) has joined #techrights [14:08] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/microsoft-secure-boot-and-intel-vmd-is-pointless-on-gnu-linux-and-lenovos-documentation-recommends-that-you-turn-them-off/ [14:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Microsoft Secure Boot and Intel VMD is pointless on GNU/Linux and Lenovos documentation recommends that you turn them off. BaronHK's Rants [14:08] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, How's this? [14:09] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I took screenshots of the documentation. [14:10] DaemonFC Do you think I should do this some other way and repost? [14:12] techrights-news Angela #Merkel s Coalition Has Not Helped #EPO Staff and Not Even Bloggers Blackmailed by EPO Management http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/merkel-epo-legacy/ #eu #germany #de [14:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Angela Merkels Coalition Has Not Helped EPO Staff and Not Even Bloggers Blackmailed by EPO Management | Techrights [14:12] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: screenshot is good [14:12] schestowitz-TR I will add the PDF [14:12] schestowitz-TR maybe not in wordpress [14:12] schestowitz-TR because... DMCA [14:13] DaemonFC I think screenshots should be fair use since I'm making a critical comment about their documentation. [14:13] schestowitz-TR yeah [14:13] schestowitz-TR but the copy is backup [14:13] schestowitz-TR after a few years those corporations shuffle and remove things [14:13] schestowitz-TR so raw evidence in old articla vanishes [14:13] schestowitz-TR sometimes people contact me because they sued Microsoft [14:14] schestowitz-TR and then need pointer to material which supports them [14:14] schestowitz-TR internet archive/wayback machine doesn't always keep large objects [14:14] gustaf activelow: looked at guix? [14:19] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I tweaked it a bit. [14:19] DaemonFC "In the past 20 years, GNU/Linux has had fewer viruses and worms than you can count on your fingers which were even worth mentioning. None of them just happened, either. You had to defy GNU/Linux best practices of getting signed packages from your distribution or other trusted source,and grab random unsigned software from some internet site and jam it in somehow. [14:19] DaemonFC Grabbing random things from the internet and hoping for the best is how most software gets installed on Windows." [14:21] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, AppX is so bad it's hysterical. [14:22] DaemonFC It's basically what enables all of that bloated trash in the start menu. [14:22] DaemonFC iexpore -channelband for Windows 10 [14:27] schestowitz-TR microsoft stole X [14:27] schestowitz-TR not X server [14:27] schestowitz-TR activeX [14:27] schestowitz-TR directX [14:27] schestowitz-TR aspx [14:27] schestowitz-TR all the worst junk [14:30] DaemonFC DirectX isn't particularly badly designed, at least not the later versions, but it is non-standard and it isn't _better_ than Vulkan, which is open and standardized. [14:30] DaemonFC So I'd say if you're developing for Windows, why not target Vulkan? [14:31] DaemonFC If you port your application later, you don't have to worry about it not working on GNU/Linux, it has Vulkan obviously. [14:31] DaemonFC The Mac has MoltenVK, so you don't need to worry about rewriting a bunch of code pointlessly for Apple's Metal API. [14:31] DaemonFC There's just no particularly compelling reason for a developer to choose DirectX or Metal. [14:32] DaemonFC All they do is tie your hands. [14:32] DaemonFC That's the only reason they exist. [14:33] DaemonFC DirectX is the same sort of shit as LibreOffice having to figure out how to use OOXML. [14:33] DaemonFC OOXML adds nothing except a pain in the ass for people who need to implement compatibility with MS Office. [14:33] DaemonFC It makes it hard to get any acceptance of ODF. [14:33] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I saw something last night about MS Office 2021. [14:34] DaemonFC It's going to cost $149 per license for Home and Student. The Business version is exactly the same thing, but costs $100 more per license for you to be allowed to use it in your business. [14:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:34] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:34] DaemonFC The list of improvements is tiny, and one of the ones that was listed was ODF 1.3, which is the native format of LibreOffice. And I'm sure MS Office still deliberately botches ODF. [14:35] DaemonFC The only reason it's in there is because it helps them sell to governments that mandate compatibility with it. [14:35] DaemonFC So they'll just do the worst job they can for compliance purposes. [14:39] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Tweaked a bit more. [14:39] DaemonFC "This is another reason why dual booting with Windows is unwise and you should just let GNU/Linux completely take over the PC. Not only does Windows ultimately end up hosing Grub and causing both systems to fail, but these key revocations can be pushed by Windows Update with total disregard for whether GNU/Linux will boot up again." [14:39] schestowitz-TR exactly [14:42] DaemonFC With Secure Boot turned on it's even dangerous to dual boot different GNU/Linux distributions. [14:42] DaemonFC As soon as one updates the dbx, the other one may not work. [14:43] DaemonFC So dual booting is just not good anymore. If you do it, turn Secure Boot off for sure. [14:43] techrights-news [Meme] Margot Forgot #UPC Facts http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/upc-facts/ #unitarypatent #unifiedpatentcourt #corruption #crime [14:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Margot Forgot UPC Facts | Techrights [14:44] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: at least you saw and experimented with it very recently [14:44] schestowitz-TR you also had that wifi issue where it doesn't turn off [14:44] schestowitz-TR that's also noteworthy [14:45] schestowitz-TR they're trying hard to infect hardware with malware [14:45] DaemonFC Yes, if you dual booted, you'd need to turn off "Fast Boot" on Windows for sure, but even that won't help you because there's a million ways to get things done, including sabotage. [14:45] schestowitz-TR [13:32] #ibm is partnering with #microsoft through #Kyndryl so prepare to be disgusted and move to other distros, #freesw etc. IBM is not our friend! http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/ibm-led-mob/ [14:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IBM is NOT a Friend of Free Software | Techrights [14:45] schestowitz-TR (Red Hat) [14:45] schestowitz-TR where mjg59_ got his salary at the time [14:45] schestowitz-TR they had already begun working for Microsoft in 2011 [14:45] DaemonFC I don't know which is more fragile. mjg59_ or uEFI [14:45] schestowitz-TR or 2010, maybe 2009 [14:46] MinceR it's so great that now even stuff sold as "Linux distributions" can betray you to microsoft and get dbx updates from them to lock you out of your own property [14:46] schestowitz-TR depending on what you count [14:46] schestowitz-TR they all work for Pentagon interests [14:46] schestowitz-TR "that's where the money is" [14:46] schestowitz-TR attacking the poor [14:46] schestowitz-TR attacking the minorities [14:46] schestowitz-TR attacking women [14:46] schestowitz-TR so of course theu use projection tactics [14:46] DaemonFC "Waaah you hurt someone's feewings! NYAH NYAH NYAH!!!!!! I'll be offended for them!" - mjg59_ [14:46] schestowitz-TR they pre-empmptivem claim to protect these groups [14:46] schestowitz-TR utter lie of course [14:46] DaemonFC Whereas someone can be a corporation. [14:47] DaemonFC These fuckfaces are taking over Fedora. [14:47] DaemonFC I got accused of potentially hurting Nvidia's feelings. [14:47] schestowitz-TR what do you mean taking over [14:47] schestowitz-TR Fedora has long been like this [14:47] DaemonFC Nvidia doesn't have feelings, because it's not a person. But that didn't stop the CoC warning. [14:47] schestowitz-TR Red Hat is just another bloody pentagon contactor [14:47] schestowitz-TR just like Microsoft and Google [14:48] schestowitz-TR sometimes they managed to fool their own staff into thinking they make the world a better place (to drop bombs on) [14:48] DaemonFC I don't remember Fedora being this bad with the CoCsuckers years ago. [14:48] schestowitz-TR like Ariadne blogged, not they have anthems and stuff [14:48] schestowitz-TR like nationalism [14:48] schestowitz-TR but for corporatios [14:48] DaemonFC Microsoft CoC suckers. [14:48] DaemonFC Man, those suckers sure fell for Microsoft's CoC. [14:49] schestowitz-TR you can be taken out of context here [14:49] schestowitz-TR for the record, DaemonFC is gay [14:49] DaemonFC I am, and I have a sense of humor. [14:49] MinceR 02 154703 < DaemonFC> These fuckfaces are taking over Fedora. [14:49] MinceR fedora was always owned by rh [14:49] schestowitz-TR yeah [14:50] schestowitz-TR they did treat some contributors nicely [14:50] schestowitz-TR not just red ha staff, but that was ages ago [14:50] schestowitz-TR someone from red hat recently told me they always stacked the fedora council to have corporate mnajority [14:50] schestowitz-TR this way red hat always gets its way [14:50] schestowitz-TR ubuntu also had a council [14:50] DaemonFC It's wordplay and even if you did take it seriously, it's not like having sex with someone should be a scandal. We should be past that. Enlightened 21st century people, you know. [14:50] schestowitz-TR it recently 'restored' it [14:50] schestowitz-TR of course it has no impact [14:51] schestowitz-TR I've not heard anything about it in months [14:51] schestowitz-TR mere illusion of facade of community [14:51] schestowitz-TR ubuntu poscast collapses 2 days ago [14:51] schestowitz-TR mothballed for good [14:51] schestowitz-TR final episode [14:51] schestowitz-TR after so many years [14:51] DaemonFC Those councils are fake. They always put their own people on it as a majority and tell them how to vote. [14:51] schestowitz-TR yeah [14:51] DaemonFC And then nothing can ever go awry. [14:52] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/ [14:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights [14:52] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/04/03/fedora-f-for-fascism-and-not-freedom/ [14:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fedora Council is Just a Mouthpiece and Instrument of IBM Management, It Doesnt Speak For (What Used to Be) Fedora Project/Community | Techrights [14:52] DaemonFC I used to see so many cases where all the Red Hat employees would vote one way and all of the Community Members took the opposing view, and Red Hat won the vote. [14:52] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [14:52] DaemonFC And a few times where 1 Red Hat employee would join the Community, and then Red Hat corporate would just veto the council and do what they wanted anyway. [14:52] DaemonFC It's a ruse. [14:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [14:53] DaemonFC There's never been a way to win a technical argument at the Council level in Fedora where Red Hat cares one way or the other. [14:55] techrights-news #EPO : Organised crime, run by literal criminals (white-collar criminals), protected by the government of #germany and top #eu officials. Are we governed by people who protect us from crime? No, by criminals. http://techrights.org/wiki/EPO [14:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights [14:56] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: they also infilktrate other groups [14:56] DaemonFC "Linux is about choice and that's why I'm choosing to ignore your bug report about an issue that only occurs when you choose to use a non-default desktop environment" - mjg59_ [14:56] schestowitz-TR 1. they pay them [14:56] schestowitz-TR 2. they enter their boards [14:56] DaemonFC LOL, yes this is Fedora's attitude on KDE. [14:56] schestowitz-TR one example of many is OSI [14:56] schestowitz-TR they stack all the decks [14:56] DaemonFC That and giving ownership of it to people who use Edge on Windows. [14:56] schestowitz-TR and they they run hate campaigns in "community" clothing [14:56] MinceR are you saying this is not an ibm site? >> http://islinuxaboutchoice.com/ [14:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-islinuxaboutchoice.com | Is Linux About Choice? [14:56] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I wish Fedora would just drop KDE if they won't package it right. [14:57] schestowitz-TR IBM abandoned KDE [14:57] schestowitz-TR the moment it bought Red Hat [14:57] schestowitz-TR they didn't want you to notice [14:57] schestowitz-TR hence the timing [14:57] schestowitz-TR RHEL dropped official support for KDE [14:58] schestowitz-TR they found out there are "kio slaves" [14:58] schestowitz-TR and IBM got a hard-on [14:58] schestowitz-TR and felt guilty about it [14:58] schestowitz-TR so they had to shoot KDE to death [14:58] MinceR :> [14:59] techrights-news 5 minutes ago: "This has been the root cause of #IBM problem. They kept promoting people based on who knows whom from their own circle, and now the majority of IBM management (FLM to senior leadership levels) have no clue who actually delivers quality work, let alone identify the right candidates who potentially can from the resumes." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d1GiutU [14:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Can Companies Have a Hybrid Workplaceand Keep Things Fair? - post regarding IBM layoffs ● Oct 02 [15:01] techrights-news Dear #corruptMedia : #microsoft giving #vendorLockin or #ProprietarySoftware with #surveillance is NOT "donation". It's like pooing in somebody's garden, then insisting "it is a gift..." [15:03] techrights-news No, the movement is #GNU (and #linux is not a movement) https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/VMWARE-INC-58476/news/The-Soul-of-the-Movement-30-Years-of-Linux-Part-1-36563433/ [15:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Soul of the Movement: 30 Years of Linux (Part 1) | MarketScreener [15:04] techrights-news So many puff pieces pretending that the operating system, #gnu #linux (no, a kernel alone isn't an OS), turns 30. Last week GNU turned 38. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154866#comment-31238 [15:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Happy 30th Birthday, Linux! | Tux Machines [15:06] techrights-news #microsoft 'charm offensive' against #freesw is no better than #jeffreyEpstein and #billgates scheming to confuse us that screwing young girls and trafficking them for sex is no worse than "stealing a bagel" http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/bagel-reports-as-images/ [15:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Trafficking Thousands of Underage Women/Girls for Sex is Not (and Was Never Ever) No Worse Than Stealing a Bagel | Techrights [15:08] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/if-fedora-wont-package-kde-properly-they-should-drop-the-packages-and-tell-people-to-use-some-other-operating-system/ [15:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | If Fedora wont package KDE properly, they should drop the packages and tell people to use some other operating system. BaronHK's Rants [15:08] techrights-news OK, OK. #linux operating system (GNU/Linux) is 30. Like America the continent only began to exist the moment Europeans set foot on it. http://techrights.org/2013/09/20/wilful-omissions/ [15:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundations Big Lie: Linux is 22 Years Old | Techrights [15:08] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: you have run afoul of the IBM CoC [15:08] schestowitz-TR you are banished [15:09] schestowitz-TR IBM "now, back to bombing people..." [15:10] schestowitz https://quillette.com/2021/09/29/a-peek-inside-corporate-americas-ascendant-woke-industrial-complex/ [15:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-quillette.com | A Peek Inside Corporate Americas Ascendant Woke-Industrial Complex [15:11] DaemonFC schestowitz, I just stop buying anything that goes woke. [15:11] DaemonFC Choke a Cola said be less white. [15:11] DaemonFC Well, then they don't need any of my white dollars I guess. [15:12] techrights-news #GNU Core Utilities 9.0: Slight improvements for most free systems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156054#comment-31239 used more than Linux! [15:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Core Utilities 9.0 | Tux Machines [15:12] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: the PR 'advisors' told them to say it [15:12] schestowitz-TR also see: Mozilla Corp. [15:13] schestowitz-TR I'm sure those Coke dollars are going through the roof during pandemic [15:13] schestowitz-TR people don't need bread, just water with caramel and ddt [15:13] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/26/4bbe0c686b9786cd.jpg [15:13] DaemonFC It's incredibly racist to be racist against white people, but as far as the left thinks, you can fix racism with more racism. mjg59_ [15:14] MinceR they put DDT in your coke? [15:14] techrights-news #cats #tent #caturday https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/26/4bbe0c686b9786cd.jpg [15:14] schestowitz-TR MinceR: iirc, the '\diet' ones [15:14] schestowitz-TR a diet of chemicals [15:14] schestowitz-TR very special diet [15:14] schestowitz-TR you lose weight when you are dead, fast [15:15] DaemonFC I'm kind of sick of all of thise BLM garbage being thrown up in my face by these woke crapitalists. [15:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ [15:15] DaemonFC It excuses not paying their black employees very well, I guess. [15:15] MinceR schestowitz-TR: pretty sure aspartame and acesulfame-K are not DDT [15:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights [15:15] schestowitz "the problem is, at the FSF the staff and Board are 18 people in total, 4 out of whom female (22.22% of the whole) and Red Hats Board had only one female in it before it added a second in 2008." [15:15] schestowitz woke [15:15] schestowitz mjg59_'s employer [15:16] DaemonFC mjg59_ works for a very progressive company. They pay their black employees, all none of them, exactly the same in theory. [15:16] DaemonFC :D [15:16] MinceR i don't think that's their actual problem with the FSF [15:16] schestowitz tyhey don't employ blacks [15:16] schestowitz they just talk about it [15:16] schestowitz and put their faces in brochures [15:16] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 35.41 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 15.65 swarm size (avg): 257.86 [15:16] MinceR it's more the ratio of ibm moles in the FSF board that's too low for them [15:16] schestowitz or give them low-paying jobs [15:16] schestowitz not engineering [15:16] DaemonFC No, they don't, and mjg59_ attacks Stallman when Stallman himself hired a black man to write GNU BASH. [15:17] schestowitz "we employ blacks" [janitors] [15:17] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/ [15:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its Support for the Black Community | Techrights [15:17] schestowitz they write TWEETS about blacks [15:17] schestowitz but don't give them jobs [15:17] DaemonFC Do you think that black people who are actually college educated and who are being set back in their careers by patronizing bullshit artists like mjg59_ are a bit offended by him? [15:18] schestowitz [15:16] it's more the ratio of ibm moles in the FSF board that's too low for them [15:18] schestowitz that too [15:18] schestowitz but don't worry, many people see through the BS [15:18] schestowitz that's why "Establishment" left like Biden struggle [15:19] schestowitz they go too far for corporate pseudo-wokeness [15:19] schestowitz and people are put off [15:19] schestowitz esp. minorities and women [15:19] schestowitz those big corporations don't speak for them [15:19] schestowitz they hijack them for identity politics stunts [15:19] DaemonFC Distrowatch blogged about how there's an immutable Fedora KDE variant now. [15:19] schestowitz and those ploys alienate those who voices get stolen [15:19] schestowitz DaemonFC: was? [15:19] DaemonFC I wish they'd bother to get it working before they went and fucked with it to use rpm-ostree. [15:19] schestowitz fedora lost many projects [15:20] DaemonFC But that's totally like my opinion. [15:20] schestowitz or they didn't official end them [15:20] schestowitz but no progress reported [15:20] schestowitz esp. their spins [15:20] schestowitz silverblue is mentioned maybe once a month [15:20] DaemonFC I don't really like the idea of an immutable system, myself. [15:20] schestowitz to IBM, Fedora is the "world's lab" [15:20] DaemonFC It just seems kind of dumb. [15:20] schestowitz they hope to trick some people into becoming IBM volunteers [15:20] schestowitz package things like php for IBM [15:21] schestowitz (talking abouit Remi Collet) [15:21] DaemonFC You have to do something bad to damage the filesystem root and then that's a learning experiment. [15:21] schestowitz DaemonFC: so drive your disk out of space [15:21] schestowitz or the partition [15:21] DaemonFC I get why Macs do it. To prevent the herp derp I eat paint chips people from damaging it. [15:21] schestowitz see how far you go :-) [15:21] schestowitz one of my machine ran out of space 2 days ago [15:21] schestowitz I noticed because the browser lost all its settings [15:22] schestowitz so I knew it had run out of space again [15:22] schestowitz it's not a critical machine at all [15:22] DaemonFC schestowitz, I noticed on Firefox's flatpak version, it generally runs okay, but fonts are ugly on some pages. [15:22] DaemonFC I wonder when debian will push 91 ESR. [15:22] schestowitz pages have FONTS? [15:22] DaemonFC Not that I'm using it a lot now. [15:22] schestowitz your system should specify the fonts [15:22] schestowitz lagrange added some lovely fonts [15:22] schestowitz and they suit you [15:22] DaemonFC schestowitz, One of the features of Epiphany/GNOME Web is that no remote fonts are supported. [15:23] XRevan86 "what does that say?" "September 18th Richard Stallman in Kiev made a presentation "Free software and the General Public Licence GNU GPL" The recording of the presentation is available at http://techrights.org/2021/09/21/rms-ukraine-talk/ For translation one can go to the Yandex application or browser (?)" [15:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallmans First Public Talk (Delivered in Person) in Years, Now With a Free Format | Techrights [15:23] DaemonFC The browser uses local fonts only, because that's what Webkit does. [15:23] schestowitz not GoogleFonts.TLD, which you are forced to download to read just one article! [15:23] DaemonFC Apple says remote fonts are a tracking antifeature and bad for security. [15:23] DaemonFC Well, they aren't wrong. [15:23] schestowitz XRevan86: thanks [15:23] schestowitz DaemonFC: it's true [15:23] schestowitz it's also true that Apple spies [15:23] schestowitz but they're posers [15:23] schestowitz like Mozilla [15:24] schestowitz spy [15:24] schestowitz and then keep talking about spying being wrong [15:24] schestowitz mjg59_ does that too, all the time [15:24] DaemonFC Yeah, I don't much like Firefox. [15:24] schestowitz "I'm for security" [15:24] schestowitz [attacks security] [15:24] schestowitz "I support inclusion" [15:24] MinceR locking you into windows is security, don't you know. [15:24] schestowitz [works for companies that include women and children in carpet-bombing] [15:24] MinceR do you know what else is security? DRM! [15:25] schestowitz yeah,some 'security' [15:25] MinceR :> [15:25] schestowitz not YOUR 'financial secuirty' [15:25] schestowitz "PROTECTED" content [15:25] schestowitz "protected from who??" [15:25] schestowitz "FROM YOU!!" [15:25] schestowitz You protect CONTENT?? [15:25] schestowitz It has FEELINGS? [15:26] MinceR if corporations can have feelings then content can have feelings, too [15:26] schestowitz anyway, much of this agenda and narrative is in a freefall [15:26] schestowitz people are not GULLIBLE or dumb ENOUGH :-D [15:26] schestowitz So it backfires on the real movements [15:27] schestowitz not you have nasty fascists who uses words like "mfeminazi" [15:27] MinceR give them a decade or two, i guess [15:27] schestowitz that's the legacy of pseudo-woke [15:27] schestowitz they incite people against feminists [15:27] MinceR people are getting stupider all the time [15:27] schestowitz and many feminists are wrongluy presumed corporate "assets" [15:27] schestowitz this does not help women at all [15:27] schestowitz many think blacks are offended by "master" git branch [15:28] schestowitz I never met such a person [15:28] schestowitz and many wonders if they exist AT ALL [15:28] schestowitz "gee, I cannot push my ptch" [15:28] schestowitz "the branch is called "master".." [15:28] schestowitz I bet you nobody ever thought that [15:29] schestowitz until Intel, IBM and the criminals who run such companies (Craig, Otellini etc.) decided they need a narrative inversion [15:29] schestowitz corporations as 'force for good' [15:29] MinceR they shouldn't push to master anyway [15:29] MinceR they should push to their own development branch [15:30] MinceR :> [15:30] schestowitz that takes education [15:30] schestowitz harder than signing up for some Google program [15:30] schestowitz BTW, those rarely yield any long-term benefit [15:30] schestowitz mostly PR [15:30] schestowitz those who participate rarely stick around after those summers of work [15:31] schestowitz they leave the Gulag the moment Google stops paying them [15:31] schestowitz and leave low-quality code behind them [15:31] schestowitz sometimes the mentors throw it awayc [15:31] schestowitz concerns over ability to maintain such code in the long run [15:31] schestowitz so developmenty time might be wasted [15:32] schestowitz Gulag can put in brochure "supported group x with prgramme y" [15:32] schestowitz and that's just the goal really [15:32] schestowitz https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/1/22703263/google-lawyer-argues-bing-used-find-google-top-search-defaults https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-28/google-tells-judges-it-s-so-popular-it-s-bing-s-top-search-term [15:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Google says Bing users search for Google more than anything else - The Verge [15:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [15:32] schestowitz two evil companies competing [15:32] schestowitz over who gets to spy on what you think [15:32] schestowitz or want to know [15:33] schestowitz so they can put together mental diaries and sell them [15:34] MinceR (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/08/25/24a4a077babe2fc9.mp4 [15:36] schestowitz very japanese [15:37] schestowitz-TR MinceR: he's trying the shirt off at the end [15:37] schestowitz-TR but they cut it short [15:37] schestowitz-TR so you don't heard "Shirt" [15:37] MinceR sure :> [15:37] schestowitz-TR he was "watching p" [15:37] XRevan86 MinceR: Accurate anime portrayal. [15:38] schestowitz-TR battle scenes [15:38] DaemonFC "The U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is asking for feedback on new proposed rules to crack down on SIM swapping and number port-out fraud, increasingly prevalent scams in which identity thieves hijack a targets mobile phone number and use that to wrest control over the victims online identity. [15:38] DaemonFC " [15:38] schestowitz XRevan86: http://techrights.org/2021/04/11/rms-anime/ [15:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fighters of Freedom | Techrights [15:38] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, T-Mobile had some account takeover prevention thing I signed us up for. [15:39] DaemonFC You have to call and tell T-Mobile if you ever want to port your numbers out, and do identity verification stuff. [15:39] XRevan86 schestowitz: Sugoi [15:44] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: Don't know it/him/her [15:44] schestowitz-TR not following anime [15:44] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's a Japanese word. [15:44] schestowitz-TR tea with sugoi? [15:45] schestowitz-TR rianne and I went to a korean restaurant and I asked for sugar for the tea [15:45] schestowitz-TR the waiter says, "shugaa?" [15:45] XRevan86 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sugoi#English :) [15:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | sugoi - Wiktionary [15:45] schestowitz-TR in a a very hangul accent [15:45] schestowitz-TR they don't expect people to want sweetness in that drink [15:46] schestowitz-TR anyway, their food was not particularly tasted and they went out of business fast [15:55] techrights-news #gpl in action https://wptavern.com/woocommerce-marks-10-year-anniversary-of-forking-jigoshop [15:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wptavern.com | WooCommerce Marks 10 Year Anniversary of Forking Jigoshop WP Tavern [15:57] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights ● Oct 02 [16:00] DaemonFC anyway, their food was not particularly tasted and they went out of business fast [16:00] DaemonFC Many restaurants do go out of business fast, especially now. [16:01] DaemonFC I liked Bonchon down in Schaumburg. [16:01] DaemonFC Anyone who can make a dish that's spicy enough to make me gasp for air is okay in my book. [16:02] DaemonFC Nobody really understands me when I say "And I mean spicy. Like really hot and spicy!". [16:02] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: depends on how fast you eat [16:02] schestowitz-TR and whwther you dilute and water break [16:02] DaemonFC Sometimes the water just makes it worse. [16:02] DaemonFC Spreads it around. [16:03] schestowitz-TR with spice [16:03] schestowitz-TR you can take the water is between [16:03] schestowitz-TR when the mouth is empty [16:04] DaemonFC https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-declined-to-implement-16-web-apis-in-safari-due-to-privacy-concerns/ [16:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple declined to implement 16 Web APIs in Safari due to privacy concerns | ZDNet [16:04] DaemonFC There's the article about Webkit not implementing some crappy APIs that Google came up with or some other things. [16:05] DaemonFC Of course, it's easy to see why. [16:05] schestowitz-TR zdcrap [16:05] schestowitz-TR count their page trackers [16:05] DaemonFC Most of these APIs are stuff where it forces the developer to write an app instead. [16:05] DaemonFC Then they can do most of these nasty things to you that they can't do in Safari. [16:05] schestowitz-TR crAPP [16:05] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I think WebkitGTK is a lot better than Blink. [16:06] schestowitz-TR like a site, but with access to address book, microphone etc. [16:06] schestowitz https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/24/on_call/ [16:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Unix turned '' to '#' in council printouts The Register [16:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:10] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:11] techrights-news What a dick https://www.laurinburgexchange.com/opinion/53431/dick-tracy-has-turned-90-years-old [16:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.laurinburgexchange.com | Dick Tracy has turned 90 years old | Laurinburg Exchange [16:14] DaemonFC McDonalds is pretty cruel, actually. They go "Oh look, you can have two sandwiches for $6, or one for $5. [16:15] DaemonFC "Hope you brought your app!" [16:15] MinceR can't you just install it there? [16:15] DaemonFC Large fries? $3.85 without the app or $1 with the app! [16:15] DaemonFC MinceR, Basically, McDonalds is kind of weird with their pricing structure. [16:16] DaemonFC The 2 for $3 spicy McChicken is basically the Spicy Crispy Chicken without tomatoes, but the Spicy Crispy Chicken is $4.99 each, and you can add tomatoes to the spicy McChicken for 20 cents per sandwich. [16:16] DaemonFC Making them $1.70 each if you buy two. [16:18] DaemonFC So if you get two spicy McChickens with tomato and a large fries using the app coupon, and a $1 soda, it works out to $5.40 pre-tax, whereas the Spicy Crispy Chicken meal comes with one sandwich, and if you upgrade to a large fries, and get the drink, it comes out to over $8.50 pre-tax. [16:18] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/26/d0f1e4a198fcd24e.jpg [16:18] DaemonFC I was trying to explain how price discrimination works to Mandy. [16:18] DaemonFC He thinks the $1,800 iPhone is much better because it's expensive. [16:19] MinceR lol [16:19] MinceR well, it's the only thing it's capable of [16:19] MinceR being expensive [16:19] DaemonFC I said, no the cheap one does basically all the same things. They have them at every price because they want to get people to spend as much as they're going to. [16:19] MinceR oh, and occasionally exploding or turning into a thermite bomb [16:19] DaemonFC They have a cheap model specifically for people who would otherwise buy an Android phone. [16:19] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: yes upselling by tiers [16:19] schestowitz-TR with shallow "added value" [16:19] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: give the airline example [16:20] schestowitz-TR extra $1000 to extend your feet for 4 hours [16:20] DaemonFC I've considered an iPhone SE. [16:20] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [16:20] DaemonFC This Samsung crap is getting worse than Apple in many ways. [16:20] schestowitz-TR you can to the same destination [16:20] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [16:20] MinceR you do realize there are other brands, right? [16:20] schestowitz-TR with wine instead of cranberry 'juice' [16:20] MinceR (not LG though, sadly.) [16:21] techrights-news #Moodle #LMS review http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156349 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Moodle LMS review | Tux Machines [16:21] DaemonFC T-Mobile just hit me with another firmware update. [16:21] DaemonFC I just installed one a few days ago. [16:21] techrights-news #Linus Torvalds, a Finnish Swede who changed computing forever http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156350 #GPL #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [16:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linus Torvalds, a Finnish Swede who changed computing forever | Tux Machines [16:22] techrights-news #Fedora 35 bridges the gap between the seasoned and the new user http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156351 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 35 bridges the gap between the seasoned and the new user | Tux Machines [16:22] DaemonFC MinceR, "We are improving the servicing stack. Pray we improve the servicing stack no further!" -Microsoft [16:23] MinceR android 11 wastes a lot more power than android 10 did [16:23] DaemonFC These new phones update themselves whether you want it or not. [16:23] DaemonFC Just like Windows 10. [16:23] schestowitz-TR they have buzzwords for it [16:23] schestowitz-TR like OTA [16:23] schestowitz-TR CIA has OTA also [16:24] schestowitz-TR they torture you on the plane [16:24] schestowitz-TR over the air [16:24] schestowitz-TR they have "rendition flights" [16:24] schestowitz-TR bill and jeffrey have planes with beds on them [16:24] schestowitz-TR for sex, not sleep [16:24] schestowitz-TR well, not the same planes [16:24] schestowitz-TR but bill's 4 aircrafts are not enough [16:24] schestowitz-TR maybe melinda took all the other one that day [16:24] schestowitz-TR so he took jeff's [16:25] MinceR can't produce enough CO2 per day with just 4? [16:25] schestowitz-TR MinceR: but he says buy veggie burgers [16:25] schestowitz-TR while he eats cows [16:25] schestowitz-TR and cows are bad [16:25] MinceR (while lecturing us about how we should live like ascetics) [16:25] schestowitz-TR because "methane" [16:25] schestowitz-TR they fart [16:25] schestowitz-TR he invests in patents on 'veggie' 'meat' [16:25] schestowitz-TR that's the sole motivation [16:26] schestowitz-TR buying farmland [16:26] schestowitz-TR pushing GMO [16:26] schestowitz-TR but thankfully the media caught up... mostly this year [16:26] schestowitz-TR so we no longer cover it, it's widely covered now [16:26] schestowitz-TR and people are angered when they read about it [16:26] schestowitz-TR "you need to be careful!" [16:26] schestowitz-TR "well, he's dead" [16:27] schestowitz-TR maybe he's senile like his dad already [16:27] schestowitz-TR because whoever prepared him for that scripted 'interview' did a bad job [16:27] schestowitz-TR towards the end he goes totally off topic [16:27] schestowitz-TR "proud of the work blah blah" [16:27] schestowitz-TR she didn't even ask about that [16:28] schestowitz-TR and he punches his head like a robot [16:28] schestowitz-TR at least not bobbing like a pigeon like 23 years easier [16:28] schestowitz-TR anyway, let's see when he next rears hios ugly head to lecture us on "climate" [16:28] MinceR he should just hurry up and die [16:28] schestowitz-TR likely in some other "news" outlet he is sponsoring and controlling [16:28] schestowitz-TR MinceR: like Steve Jobs [16:29] MinceR yeah [16:29] schestowitz-TR now Apple is like a necro-religion [16:29] MinceR like juche :> [16:29] schestowitz-TR reminding me a lot of north korea [16:29] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:29] schestowitz-TR where they're peer-pressured to celebrate "truth and idea(d)" or whatever [16:31] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXxvEPqhVVw [16:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PyongSublime Frequencies: Radio Pyongyang: Commie Funk And Agit Pop From The Hermit Kingdom - YouTube [16:31] schestowitz PyongSublime Frequencies: Radio Pyongyang: Commie Funk And Agit Pop From The Hermit Kingdom - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UXxvEPqhVVw [16:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | PyongSublime Frequencies: Radio Pyongyang: Commie Funk And Agit Pop From The Hermit Kingdom - Invidious [16:35] techrights-news Fedora 35 Beta Linux distribution with GNOME 41 now available for download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156194#comment-31240 [16:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Linux 35 Beta Released for Public Testing with the GNOME 41 Desktop, Linux Kernel 5.14 | Tux Machines [16:37] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:37] techrights-news Better future? Safari browser extension is preparing for Apples post-privacy world https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/better-future-safari-browser-extension-is-preparing-for-apples-post-privacy-world [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portswigger.net | Better future? Safari browser extension is preparing for Apples post-privacy world | The Daily Swig [16:40] techrights-news #ProprietarySoftware https://www.ghacks.net/2021/10/01/another-chrome-emergency-update-to-patch-0-day-vulnerabilities-is-now-available/ [16:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Another Chrome emergency update to patch 0-day vulnerabilities is now available - gHacks Tech News [16:41] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/26/375cc2dd0c74dffe.jpg [16:41] techrights-news #archlinux outdoing #microsoft in its own ballpark, but with #ProprietarySoftware and #DRM https://www.tomshardware.com/news/proton-enables-nvidia-dlss-in-directx12-games [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | Valve Enables Experimental Nvidia DLSS Support For DirectX 12 in Proton | Tom's Hardware [16:42] MinceR it already had systemd [16:42] schestowitz-TR \:D_ [16:42] schestowitz-TR these are worse [16:45] techrights-news "Some of us really, truly, tried to get IBM to do anything sensible. But no amount of effort will pay off with that company. Its so sad. I had to leave in the end. Heartbreaking." #ibm #layoffs #exodus https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM didn't lose the cloud... - post regarding IBM layoffs [16:46] techrights-news " #IBM did not lose the Cloud. It never had the Cloud in the first place. IBM lost the Cloud in much the same way that I lost Michelle Pfeiffer." #clowncomputing #redhat #buzzwords https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies [16:53] techrights-news #ibm #openwashing a #MONOPOLY using #linuxFoundation as PR arm https://www.dbta.com/Editorial/News-Flashes/Open-Mainframe-Project-Announces-New-Milestones-and-Opportunities-149223.aspx #mainframe [16:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dbta.com | Open Mainframe Project Announces New Milestones and Opportunities - Database Trends and Applications [16:55] techrights-news Some of these are now "FOSS" at all https://fossbytes.com/best-emulators-to-play-free-games-on-pc-and-mobile/ [16:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Best Emulators To Play Free Games On PC And Mobile - Fossbytes ● Oct 02 [17:08] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [17:13] MinceR (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/25/fd469bbab3470ccf.jpg [17:17] *m___ (~Adium@mfgnrw6khgqhe.irc) has joined #techrights [17:23] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:23] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:25] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [17:26] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [17:27] techrights-news "A recent research, summarized here, found and documented an interesting toxic effect of online advertising" https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/08/targeted-ads-always-divide/ [17:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | targeted ads always divide | Stop at Zona-M [17:27] techrights-news For a third month in a row, Linux remains above 1% on the Steam Hardware Survey | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/for-a-third-month-in-a-row-linux-remains-above-1-on-the-steam-hardware-survey #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/10/02/#latest [17:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-For a third month in a row, Linux remains above 1% on the Steam Hardware Survey | GamingOnLinux [17:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [17:29] techrights-news Richard Stallman: "The US should eliminate the debt ceiling, which serves no good purpose but provides plutocratists with an opportunity for bullying." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#1_October_2021_%28Eliminate_the_debt_ceiling%29 [17:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [17:32] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [17:36] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@s24psf2syda8e.irc) has joined #techrights [17:42] DaemonFC schestowitz, I see another thing happen every time I go to McDonalds. [17:43] DaemonFC Today it was some socially disadvantaged person who attacked a McDonalds employee with the COVID sneeze guard because she got mad at them for not giving her enough ketchup. [17:44] DaemonFC Nothing happens. They just do petty criminal acts and walk away. The people who ran into my car had no driver's license, ID, or insurance. [17:44] DaemonFC The cops let them go. [17:44] DaemonFC There's a vast difference in how the police treat white people and black people around these parts. [17:45] DaemonFC But the false narrative from mjg59_ is that the cops just shoot black people for no reason. When what really happens is some McDonalds employee gets assaulted with the plexiglass over ketchup because the assailant knows they'll get away with it. [17:45] DaemonFC The Democrats are determined to run everyone out of Illinois except the squeegee and loose cigarette men. [17:47] DaemonFC One of these fucking idiots introduced a bill called the TEXAS Act, which would allow anyone to sue anyone else over causing an unintended pregnancy, for up to $10,000. [17:47] DaemonFC So because Texas did something ridiculous, we have to as well. [17:48] DaemonFC I'd like to see it become the law actually. Watch the fur fly when women find out that they can revoke their consent for sex 9 months after it happened and get $10,000. [17:48] DaemonFC Maybe then people will see the left and all of these shyster lawyers and judges for what they really are. [17:50] DaemonFC schestowitz, Then, of course, the man should countersue, claiming that he didn't intend for it to happen either, so she owes him $10,000. But we'll see where that goes. I mean, even though she caused a pregnancy he didn't intend, we know what the courts will do. [17:51] DaemonFC Then I'll sue both of them, maybe, and say I have no stake in this, but I didn't intend for it to happen either and they each owe me $10,000 because the law says anyone can sue over an unintended pregnancy. [17:51] DaemonFC I mean, this is literally how stupid the Democrats are. [17:52] DaemonFC Then I can file suit against God, like that state Senator in Nebraska did. [17:53] DaemonFC One lawsuit for every unintended pregnancy ever. [17:54] DaemonFC I was talking to mom about this bill yesterday, because she brought up how Felta Sr. blamed my grandmother for having to get married and stay with her because he got her pregnant with Felta Jr. 5 months before the marriage. [17:57] DaemonFC DARVO has always existed. Alcoholics frequently use it. [17:57] DaemonFC It's everyone else's fault they're a drunk. It's everyone else's fault they had kids. It's everyone else's fault they did....whatever. [17:59] DaemonFC schestowitz, Madame Harmon was a fan of DARVO and Darvocet. ● Oct 02 [18:00] DaemonFC Now she has no access to the opiods and the doctors dodge her by pretending to need into another patient's room when she's coming down the hallway. [18:24] DaemonFC schestowitz, The portable laundry is saving me about $30 a month in not having to use the laundromat. Plus the overall hassle and grossness of going there. [18:24] DaemonFC The landlord raised the rent for everyone by $25 a month over the next year. [18:25] DaemonFC It reminds me of Babylon 5 where EarthGov decides that the senior staff will pay more rent, so after being locked out of their rooms and sleeping in their offices for a while, the captain takes it out of the defense budget so that the government is paying the increased rent to itself. [18:27] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:27] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:40] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [18:41] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/25/ba106bbe6051880c.jpg [18:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights ● Oct 02 [19:05] DaemonFC Many iwlwifi fixes in the 5.10.70 kernel in debian-proposed. [19:05] DaemonFC A lot of them seem to be related to issues I was having based on the assoaciated bug reports. Some even mention the AX210 specifically. [19:06] DaemonFC Still, I mean I know it works fine in AC mode. [19:06] DaemonFC I suppose I'll just park myself here for a while and see where we are in another 20 minor releases or so. :) [19:29] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:29] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:39] DaemonFC schestowitz, I suppose later I'll try out Flightgear. [19:40] DaemonFC Someone has an XBOX 360 controller mapping file to load into it. [19:40] schestowitz Oh, I always wanted to [19:40] schestowitz but it might addict [19:40] DaemonFC I noticed Flightgear is in Flathub. [19:40] schestowitz GPL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlightGear [19:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | FlightGear - Wikipedia [19:42] DaemonFC Yes, I was wondering how it would compare to Microsoft Flight Simulator. [19:43] DaemonFC John had a copy of Flight Simulator X. [19:43] DaemonFC Why does Microsoft use the letter X so much? [19:43] DaemonFC Not very imaginative with naming, are they? [19:44] DaemonFC AppX, DirectX, docx, Flight Simulator X..... [19:44] DaemonFC I half expected them to call Windows 10....Windows X. [19:44] DaemonFC brb [19:45] schestowitz-TR maybe they want to sound geeky [19:45] schestowitz-TR or anti-racism like Malcolm [19:45] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I noticed my wifi might be running a bit faster than it was. [19:45] DaemonFC May try connecting to NordVPN over Wireguard again. [19:45] DaemonFC I think it was at least partially the glitching in iwlwifi that was messing it up. [19:45] schestowitz-TR is it openvpn now? [19:46] schestowitz-TR the engineering of wireguard sounds better [19:46] schestowitz-TR openvms sounds like kludge that almost works [19:46] schestowitz-TR vpbn [19:46] schestowitz-TR *vpn [19:46] *schestowitz-TR just woke up [19:47] activelow gustaf: did briefly looked at guix a while ago, and couldn't easily navigate the website already [19:47] DaemonFC Yeah, I've been using OpenVPN because for whatever reason, it works better under my network conditions. [19:47] DaemonFC Let me switch over now. [19:48] activelow gustaf: guix, i want a pkgsrc/portage type tree, and see the tooling (similar to portage, catalyst, crossdev) [19:50] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:51] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Matt/again-this-took-entirely-too-long-to-draw.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/1216/ ) [19:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net) [19:52] activelow and, i cannot find anything relevant here (build system tree, tooling): git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix [19:54] activelow the packaging documentation presents me with a video instead of what i am accustomed to and need to get started [19:55] schestowitz-TR Despatche: wow, lots of blog posts today! [19:55] schestowitz-TR oops, daemon [19:55] schestowitz-TR he's offline ● Oct 02 [20:00] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [20:00] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [20:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #techrights [20:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.40 swarm size (avg): 257.87 [20:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.40 swarm size (avg): 257.87 [20:05] activelow maybe i am slightly in error with Guix: Bootstrapping section ... "The Reduced Binary Seed bootstrap removes the most critical tools ..."; Guix supports bootstrapping withoug gcc/binutils!!! and begin with assembly. [20:05] activelow and, this seems to be fully supported and documented with guix (not sure yet which assembly and hardware is supported) [20:07] activelow this is an absolute killer feature: $ info -f doc/guix.info "Bootstrapping" [20:11] activelow insofar, if guix can emit a trustworthy toolchain ... then i will keep guix for this reason alone, not as a full distro, as a toolchain provider [20:17] activelow "further reduction has brought down the size of the binary seed to about 60MB" ... [20:17] activelow "Work is ongoing to remove all binary blobs from our free software stack" [20:18] activelow so, ... what's the deal here? even Gnu GUIX (endorsed by FSF) implicitely admits that the bootstrapping is ... [20:19] activelow in my opinion, ruined, a 60MiB binary blob ... [20:20] activelow how so is a Z80 UZI system related, with SDCC compiler, and this system fitting onto a 3.5inch Floppy? [20:20] activelow as a reminder Alan Cox departed into this realm, for various reasons... [20:22] activelow "It is tempting to think of this question as one that only die-hard hackers may care about. However, while the answer to that question is technical in nature, its implications are wide-ranging. How the distribution is bootstrapped defines the extent to which we, as individuals and as a collective of users and hackers, can trust the software we run. It is a central concern from the standpoint of [20:22] activelow _security_ and from a _user freedom_ viewpoint." [20:25] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@9f74sd6ihq9mq.irc) has joined #techrights [20:28] schestowitz-TR hi, DaemonFC [20:28] schestowitz-TR doing your article now [20:30] activelow real bootstrapping, which itself is fundementally broken, tracking this back to 1970s, since then, even worse, it is only supported for X86/64 IBM Wintel PC [20:32] schestowitz DaemonFC: does this look OK to you? http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/secure-boot-and-vmd/ [20:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Secure Boot and Intel VMD Pointless on GNU/Linux and Lenovos Documentation Recommends That You Turn Them Off | Techrights [20:33] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/dcw2_icecream.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/1239/ ) [20:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net) [20:35] DaemonFC "Sometime they lose billions of dollars and quietly write it down." [20:35] DaemonFC Sometimes [20:35] DaemonFC I fixed that in the original. [20:35] schestowitz MinceR: :-( [20:35] DaemonFC I see what you mean about typos. [20:36] schestowitz internet should be uppercase I [20:36] DaemonFC They escape even a careful once over. [20:36] schestowitz that's the onlu change I made [20:36] schestowitz I will let you know next week how many people read it [20:37] *schestowitz runs the script to convert is to gemini [20:38] schestowitz-TR you covered tons of VERY important point [20:38] schestowitz-TR and in simple term [20:38] schestowitz-TR well done, I enjoyed reading it [20:39] schestowitz-TR We self-host the Lenovo PDF [20:39] schestowitz-TR so doesn't matter if they remove it years from now [20:41] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, When I ran into that on a Google search I thought it was hilarious, and particularly damning of Microsoft. [20:41] DaemonFC And from a partner OEM, no less! [20:41] DaemonFC Their OEMs realize that Windows is becoming irrelevant. [20:41] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/secure-boot-and-vmd/ [20:42] schestowitz DaemonFC: we need to cover such topics [20:42] schestowitz I lost sight ot them [20:42] schestowitz but I know they're still existing problems [20:42] schestowitz added to index: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/secure-boot-and-vmd/ [20:42] schestowitz oops, wrong URL [20:42] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/UEFI#2021 [20:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights [20:43] schestowitz OK, gemini conversion seems complete and OK [20:43] schestowitz we're still improving the code for it over time [20:44] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/Gemini/ [20:45] schestowitz DaemonFC: thanks for writing that. it is excellent! [20:45] schestowitz only typo I caught was lowercase internet [20:47] DaemonFC Ah... [20:48] activelow i consider the IBM Wintel PC broken beyond repair; the approach of Guix to at least support bootstrapping is futile, my opinion [20:49] activelow any system derived can be considered compromised therefor; and the gap between fuzixOS (sdcc) and any IBM Wintel PC type system with GNU/liux cannot be bridged anymore [20:49] DaemonFC It is broken beyond repair. Even if you read the very terse commit logs regarding Intel components, you see how bad the situation is. [20:50] schestowitz-TR it's still getting worse [20:50] schestowitz-TR never better [20:50] schestowitz-TR and we need to catch up with gigantic messes [20:50] schestowitz-TR like GPUs with a billion transistors and secrets [20:50] DaemonFC Many of their fixes are just a back and forth between trying out some micro-optimization and it causes problems and security issues, and they back it out, and then they break power management trying to fix something else, and give up, and put the buggy power management back in. [20:50] activelow with Guix toolchain bootstrapping GNU/FSF do exactly what needs to be done, however they cannot anymore [20:51] DaemonFC Or they get workarounds put into the mac80211 (wifi) stack for their products in particular, which may cause issues on some other products. [20:51] activelow and it is a timescale of 50years lost [20:51] activelow sure, Guix bootstrapping does emit a functional toolchain, and it may be trusted with regards to specific security concerns [20:51] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I think Debian 11.1 is really going to be where most people want to install Debian 11. [20:51] activelow however, the bootstrapping itself is broken... a binary blob of 60MiB [20:51] DaemonFC There were just too many issues with Intel's newer Tiger Lake platform in the shipping kernel. [20:52] DaemonFC Or if they do install it now, I'd at least cherry pick the 5.10.70 kernel out of proposed. [20:52] DaemonFC It seems to be behaving much better. [20:52] schestowitz-TR I agree with activelow we need to get back to simpler systems [20:53] schestowitz-TR some would be fast enough for anything [20:53] schestowitz-TR except opening CNN web pages [20:53] schestowitz-TR but what sane person wishes to do THAT? [20:53] schestowitz-TR it's JS-spraying you [20:54] DaemonFC NordVPN seems to push you to the P2P servers automatically if you pick Wireguard. [20:54] activelow the good news is: Z80 fuzixOS and SDCC compilare are GPL and open [20:55] activelow compiler [20:56] activelow i do not think Guix bootstrapping and GCC can succeed [20:56] schestowitz-TR interesting [20:56] schestowitz-TR one option is, [20:56] schestowitz-TR make air-gapped crap wintel box [20:56] schestowitz-TR and use as main box something more proper [20:56] schestowitz-TR than remotely connect to the crap [20:57] schestowitz-TR and never compile on it [20:57] schestowitz-TR or email etc. [20:57] schestowitz-TR because it can be discarded as untrustworthy [20:57] schestowitz-TR that MIGHT work [20:57] schestowitz-TR if fuzixOS can do secure shell tunnels [20:57] MinceR it's not terribly secure without memory protection [20:58] DaemonFC Google wants to get away from Linux completely, it seems. [20:58] DaemonFC With Fuschia. [20:58] activelow a real Z80 got no DRAM, it is SRAM [20:58] DaemonFC They can do this. Unlimited budget and they can afford to port firmware that works, not mjg59_'s uEFI shit, to whatever they want to sell. [20:59] MinceR it will be shit, though [20:59] schestowitz-TR they tried for years [20:59] schestowitz-TR at best, they'll put it on bugs [20:59] schestowitz-TR like Nest ● Oct 02 [21:00] activelow with z80 hays 300baud modem, and/or ax.25 may be feasible [21:01] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: earlier on what you were afk or offline I thanked you for writing many blog posts. shorted ones are nestled into Daily Links and tuxmachines [21:01] schestowitz e.g. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/linux-5-10-70-lands-in-debian-11-proposed-updates/ [21:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Linux 5.10.70 lands in Debian 11 Proposed Updates BaronHK's Rants [21:02] DaemonFC :) [21:02] DaemonFC Yeah, I'm trying out nordlynx again. [21:02] DaemonFC No dice. [21:02] DaemonFC I mean some servers at some times of the day almost work okay. [21:02] schestowitz re https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/why-i-turned-down-free-phones-from-t-mobile-and-stuck-a-new-battery-in-my-spouses-iphone-se-2020/ [21:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Why I turned down Free phones from T-Mobile and stuck a new battery in my spouses iPhone SE (2020). BaronHK's Rants [21:02] DaemonFC But OpenVPN is much better supported. [21:03] schestowitz turn down not only 'free' ones [21:03] schestowitz you can come to regret companies collecting that much data about you [21:03] activelow with SRAM a system can be halted, and single-step debugged... imagine this to single step 60MiB, or 4KiB, or 256Byte? [21:03] DaemonFC Going offline for a moment. [21:03] schestowitz it gets sold and passed on [21:03] activelow Wozmon was 256byte iirc [21:03] schestowitz you might not know why you pay more or get turned down in places [21:03] schestowitz it goes into 'big data' and 'hey hi' [21:04] schestowitz it is harder to discriminate based on a LACK of data [21:04] schestowitz it's possible [21:04] schestowitz but not passable [21:04] schestowitz not easily justifiable [21:05] schestowitz "mr roy, we turned you down because the system cannot find a facebook account" [21:05] DaemonFC I can read everything you say when I go offline for a moment. [21:05] DaemonFC Anyway, back to OpenVPN over UDP. [21:05] DaemonFC It's reliable. [21:06] DaemonFC schestowitz, I think this open source SuperH processor has some merit. [21:06] DaemonFC But I don't know if it'll ever be profitable enough to produce in bulk. [21:07] DaemonFC Hitachi designed them to work in embedded electronics, but they performed pretty well. Well enough to be in the Sega Dreamcast, which in many ways was several years ahead of Microsoft and Sony. [21:07] DaemonFC And they revised it past that. [21:08] DaemonFC The open source cloning project just needs to be careful to not implement anything that's patented. [21:10] activelow video-out... hdmi? don't forget some trusted vt100 terminal before, geoff's vt100 (with pic32), the rc2014 z80 one (with stm23), and another one build form ttl chips and only closed blobbed binary [21:12] activelow because, almost all SoC (open hardware) suffer from the same issues... proprietary fpga deployment targets only (SuperH on xilinx) [21:12] activelow limited peripheral I/O... 10Mbit ethernet is feasible, USB1 to should be, and of cause a serial controller to attach vt100 terminal [21:12] MinceR since when do you trust a pic32 or an stm23 though? [21:13] activelow MinceR: i don't [21:13] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: I use VGA with my main laptop ;-) [21:13] activelow however... for those designs are available, to begin somewhere [21:13] schestowitz-TR the rest are DVI and HDMI [21:13] MinceR (cat) (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/24/ccee1fcb7ab4ddf2.mp4 [21:13] schestowitz-TR to a human eye, there is no difference [21:13] activelow and the software for those vt100 is opensource [21:13] DaemonFC People ported Debian to the Dreamcast with the SH-2 processor. [21:14] DaemonFC THen to the XBOX with "Xebian". [21:14] MinceR i probably have a superhuman eye :> [21:14] DaemonFC I mean, the biggest bummer with the Dreamcast port was there was no hard disk accessory. [21:14] activelow such software may be ported to a TTL assembly (gigatron which got video out, or another vt100 build from ttl chips, which is open hardware but not open source software) [21:14] schestowitz MinceR: morningstar [21:15] schestowitz MinceR: did you try VGA? [21:15] schestowitz on a modern screen? [21:15] schestowitz not CRT [21:15] schestowitz and WITHOUT adapter [21:16] MinceR i think i did try VGA and DVI-D on a TFT screen ages ago [21:16] MinceR VGA smears a bit horizontally [21:16] schestowitz haha, apple: adapters company that also rebrands some chinese laptops to help sell its adapters [21:16] activelow if you prefer it you may attach a 9pin matrix printer as video out to a vt100 ;) [21:16] MinceR :> [21:17] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.48 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.90 swarm size (avg): 257.89 [21:17] psydruid why is real bootstrapping only supported for X86/64 IBM Wintel PC? [21:17] DaemonFC I found a server with decent bandwidth. [21:17] DaemonFC It's a crapshoot. [21:17] DaemonFC Not as bad as Free Dumb Tech was on PIA. [21:17] activelow psydruid: you had to ask GNU/FSF/Guix [21:18] activelow and, the bootstrapping itself is, somehow, broken, although it can emit a somewhat trustworthy toolchain [21:19] psydruid activelow, I wanted to ask you if you can see a technical reason for it, I don't really want to talk to GNU/FSF/Guix people [21:19] activelow psydruid: it is political and economical reasons [21:19] psydruid I know this is the trusting trust problem detailed by Ken Thompson [21:20] activelow ok [21:20] schestowitz-TR yeah [21:20] schestowitz-TR 'secure' boot [21:20] psydruid but I thought that it could be worked around by writing really simple tools in assembly [21:20] schestowitz-TR BTW, is it just me or do people experience many issue since that root cert expired? [21:20] schestowitz-TR including from servers [21:20] schestowitz-TR quiterss crashes a lot for rianne and I [21:21] activelow which are, now, 60MiB in size with Guix, and this is the best i had seen so far, and to my knowledge it is the only one [21:21] activelow except for, maybe, some z80 stuff [21:21] schestowitz-TR and it's very difficult to know which sites cause this [21:21] MinceR i don't think i have experienced any [21:21] schestowitz-TR also, I get many alerts, had to shuttle things around and remove packages [21:21] DaemonFC I define a good server with OpenVPN and UDP to be at least 70-80% raw connection speed. [21:21] schestowitz-TR finally we pay the price for the PYRAMID SCHEME of selling "trust" [21:21] MinceR but then, sometimes i do get a warning about a bad cert and i force the browser to go on [21:21] psydruid and then actually creating the first bootstrapping binaries translating that assembly code to 0s and 1s by hand [21:21] DaemonFC Som of these on NordVPN are 40-50%. [21:22] psydruid I don't see how that could ever become 60 MiB [21:22] DaemonFC But 40-50% was as good as it got on PIA there at the end. [21:22] DaemonFC And more typical was 20-30%. [21:22] activelow and... the missing link, the gap between z80/fuzix and x86/Wintel/GNU cannot be bridged anymore [21:22] schestowitz-TR psydruid: maybe you think shallowly about what's inside ;-) [21:22] schestowitz-TR it's not our grandpa's bootloader anymore [21:22] schestowitz-TR they need to keep their 'engineers' busy doing... something [21:23] schestowitz-TR look up 'feature churn' ;-) [21:23] DaemonFC 3.3 MB /s installing FlightGear from Flatpak right now over NordVPN. [21:23] DaemonFC That's not terrible. [21:23] schestowitz-TR it's also whhy so many sites became so bloated while looking 'simple' _only on the surface' [21:23] schestowitz-TR for a 'phone' OS, Android, GBs of code [21:24] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Firefox "adopting" Wayland..... GNOME Web did some time ago. [21:24] schestowitz-TR to make calls and run some single-button 'crAPPS' [21:24] DaemonFC That's why it killed the Evince NPAPI plug-in. [21:24] psydruid more like occupational therapy :) [21:24] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: yes, I will link to that again when I finish work at 1am [21:24] schestowitz #Wayland Support Plan for #Firefox http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156325#comment-31243 #mozilla #graphics [21:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox Wayland development in 2021 | Tux Machines [21:25] psydruid so much of what is being done in the world of computing is just doing things for the sake of doing them [21:25] psydruid not to serve an actual purpose that we as humans have [21:25] activelow and there is more missing links below in the free/open hardware realm, gone [21:26] activelow ESA management seems to think Leon SPARC deployed to Xilinx ... i must hold my breath to not say anything really stupid [21:26] psydruid activelow, do you think we could go back to Fuzix/Z80 and machine code and build up toolchains that way without relying on proprietary tools? [21:27] activelow not only this, i think the entire hardware development and workflow (pencil and paper and maths instead of cluster**cked CAD IDEs) [21:29] psydruid I did use Quartus a year ago for my labs, but that was just to redo on the computer what I had already done on paper and then drawn graphically [21:29] psydruid and it's the only way to really learn what all of this is about and to be able to transfer it to any tools you may want to use [21:34] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:35] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:44] activelow gigatron ttl [21:46] DaemonFC schestowitz, Found another quirk in Flatpak Firefox. [21:46] DaemonFC Some fonts look terrible in certain websites. [21:46] DaemonFC Taking away their ability to choose their own fonts seems to fix the ugliness issue. [21:46] schestowitz-TR web sites that tell you what fonts to use [21:46] schestowitz-TR instead of you doing what suits you [21:47] schestowitz-TR like, if you are near-sighted [21:47] schestowitz-TR just to read an article [21:48] schestowitz-TR as if the story depends on fonts [21:48] schestowitz-TR for images? OK, understandable. [21:48] schestowitz-TR but does it matter what fonts the headline uses? [21:48] kingoffrance ^ my understanding, because html and even with css never guaranteed a particular output...because even before phones and tablets, web was not supposed to mandate an os/browser/monitor size/keyboard type/etc. [21:48] schestowitz-TR do I need to connect to Google server for a font? [21:48] schestowitz-TR google gives that 'service' 'free' [21:48] kingoffrance so the whole idea "website needs a font" is kind of backwards IMO [21:49] schestowitz-TR so it can spy on whatever sites use it [21:49] kingoffrance "family" at best, which user could use browser or local css to override [21:49] schestowitz-TR yeah [21:49] schestowitz-TR but kingoffrance, that is so old skool [21:49] kingoffrance its kind of another "only works with this browser" [21:49] schestowitz-TR the cargo cult of today demands you get broadband [21:49] kingoffrance "only works with this font" [21:49] kingoffrance "only works with this keyboard or mouse" [21:50] schestowitz-TR and connect to some server to download 100 proprietary fonts per day [21:50] schestowitz-TR [21:49] "only works with this keyboard or mouse" [21:50] schestowitz-TR EME might go there [21:50] schestowitz-TR DRM in the browser [21:50] schestowitz-TR "I cannot render this page" [21:50] kingoffrance i exaggerate maybe, but i dont think so :) [21:50] schestowitz-TR "it looks like you have a microphone plugged in" [21:51] kingoffrance yep [21:51] DaemonFC Sitting here doing laundry all afternoon. It takes a few loads in the portable to equal a full sized washer. [21:51] kingoffrance and webcam [21:51] schestowitz-TR "untrusted" [21:51] schestowitz-TR "unauthorised" [21:51] DaemonFC But hey, saves me money. [21:51] schestowitz-TR "unprotected" [21:51] schestowitz-TR "pirate" [21:51] DaemonFC Sites work fine with your built-in fonts. [21:52] schestowitz-TR for NOW [21:52] schestowitz-TR give them time [21:52] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2014/05/24/drm-on-text/ [21:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | DRM on Text in Mozilla Firefox Not Ruled Out | Techrights [21:52] schestowitz-TR there is already font-based DRM [21:52] schestowitz-TR not sure if you know this [21:52] schestowitz-TR that might come to the WWW later [21:53] schestowitz font DRM: http://techrights.org/2010/04/23/microsoft-walking-among-patents/ [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Software Patents in Codecs, Web Font DRM, and Likewise-HP | Techrights [21:53] schestowitz also see http://techrights.org/2013/01/31/drm-in-html5/ [21:53] DaemonFC The hell.... [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Warning: DRM in HTML5, Its Microsoft Again | Techrights [21:53] schestowitz-TR we need to get off the web [21:53] XRevan86 https://hexchat.github.io/news/2.16.0.html [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hexchat.github.io | 2.16.0 released and help wanted HexChat [21:53] schestowitz-TR gradually, to the extent feasible [21:54] schestowitz-TR imagine drm servers refusing to load the page UNLESS... [21:54] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: shithub? [21:54] schestowitz-TR who needs help? [21:54] schestowitz-TR Microsoft? [21:54] schestowitz-TR I know they need help [21:54] schestowitz-TR they already farm like a million volunteers there [21:54] schestowitz-TR that's their business model [21:54] DaemonFC https://github.com/YoRyan/fg-x360-gamepad [21:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - YoRyan/fg-x360-gamepad: A custom joystick configuration and Nasal library for FlightGear Flight Simulator and the Xbox 360 controller. [21:55] schestowitz it's not like shithub makes them any money http://techrights.org/2013/01/31/drm-in-html5/ [21:55] schestowitz more background: http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ [21:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsofts Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights [21:57] schestowitz let's hope 5 years from now deletegithub will be obsolete [21:57] schestowitz we still have 2 channels named after a company we successfully shut down more than a decade ago [21:57] schestowitz "boycottnovell" [21:58] schestowitz maybe more people will "deletegithub" to the point where it's like "new" freenode [21:58] schestowitz just a legacy name of something many people used once upon a time [21:59] schestowitz DaemonFC: do you want your flakpak article reprinted and entered into gemini? [21:59] schestowitz it's long and good ● Oct 02 [22:00] DaemonFC Novell did plenty of damage to themselves. [22:00] schestowitz-TR like frreenode [22:00] schestowitz-TR the analogy goes a long way [22:00] DaemonFC I knew two people running OpenSUSE at the time. Dad and some guy names Tyler who was on Geekshed IRC. [22:00] schestowitz-TR ibm does the same now, except red hat is in the cross-fire [22:01] schestowitz-TR which is why allowhurst left [22:01] DaemonFC So they convinced me to try it and I thought it was pretty bad. [22:01] DaemonFC About the only interesting thing I thought it did was they had this weird MP3 encoder in it called Helix MP3. [22:01] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: ok to reproduce with link to original? [22:02] DaemonFC Yeah. [22:02] schestowitz-TR cool, cheers! [22:02] schestowitz-TR should take 20 mins [22:02] DaemonFC It turns out that Helix MP3 isn't a bad encoder. [22:02] DaemonFC It's open source under an MIT license, iirc. [22:03] DaemonFC The downside is there's a ton of inline MASM, and so it's incredibly fast on x86 and Windows. Not that it's not fast on the GNU/Linux port using the C code. [22:03] DaemonFC It's a lot faster than LAME, even with the C code. [22:04] DaemonFC https://www.rarewares.org/rrw/xing.php [22:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rarewares.org | ReallyRareWares - Xing/Helix MP3 encoder [22:04] DaemonFC Novell had apparently taken the RealNetworks Helix MP3 5 code and compiled it into a library that worked with Banshee. [22:05] DaemonFC Of course, I wonder how it compares with LAME now. [22:06] DaemonFC The LAME New VBR code came later than when these comparisons were drawn. [22:06] DaemonFC Then there was that fast crc patch. [22:09] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Geary seems to be an okay email client. [22:10] DaemonFC But since I like Fallout I couldn't help but to make myself laugh earlier when I was thinking about it on the way to McDonalds. [22:10] schestowitz-TR "longer-lived" [22:10] DaemonFC "Geary!!!! GEARY!!!" [22:10] DaemonFC "HAHAHA GEARY!" [22:10] MinceR Gary? [22:10] DaemonFC Yeah. :) [22:11] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, In the Flatpak thing? [22:11] DaemonFC Fixed. [22:12] schestowitz "version-lock" [22:13] *psydroid3 has quit (connection closed) [22:14] schestowitz internet > uppercase I [22:14] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/776871.jpg [22:15] DaemonFC My spell check says untrusted isn't a word, but then suggests encrusted as one possible correction. [22:16] DaemonFC Yes, the sandbox really helps with encrusted data from the Internet. [22:16] DaemonFC Thank you Hunspell-en. [22:18] schestowitz-TR that's it. anyway, I have on my system flatpak [22:18] schestowitz-TR rianne does too [22:19] schestowitz-TR I tried snapd on another lesser machine [22:19] schestowitz-TR not good experience [22:19] schestowitz-TR missing and broken packages [22:19] schestowitz-TR but I have my share of criticism of flatpak [22:19] schestowitz-TR inc. the need to reboot or restart the session [22:19] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: did you try appimages? [22:20] XRevan86 MinceR: 40 minutes obviously. [22:20] schestowitz-TR BTW, we moaned about flatpak pulling in or requiring rather systemd [22:20] schestowitz-TR then red hat removed that dep [22:20] schestowitz-TR and maybe they changed it again since then [22:21] schestowitz-TR but afaik, it should still work withoutSystemD(R) [22:22] DaemonFC I tried the AppImage of LaGrange, but installing the Flatpak wasn't that much bigger. [22:23] schestowitz-TR maybe you did it after something else had been installed [22:23] schestowitz-TR for me it was the first experience with flatpak [22:23] schestowitz-TR BTW, you said you use GNOME now [22:23] schestowitz-TR uses a gtk-based client: [22:23] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/03/21/review-of-moonlander/ [22:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A First Look at the Alpha of Moonlander, a Graphical Gemini Client/Browser | Techrights [22:23] schestowitz moonlander is appimage [22:23] schestowitz alpha release [22:24] DaemonFC schestowitz, GNOME isn't so bad if you tweak it a lot and do system integration for Qt apps, and set up Dash to Dock. [22:25] schestowitz https://git.sr.ht/~admicos/moonlander [22:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.sr.ht | ~admicos/moonlander - sourcehut git [22:26] schestowitz lol, I said "sharehut" [22:26] schestowitz instead of sourcehut [22:28] DaemonFC Debian wants to install Chromium if you remove Firefox ESR? [22:28] schestowitz-TR what do you mean by want? [22:28] schestowitz-TR it recommends it in apt? [22:29] schestowitz-TR they could at least recommend a non-Google chromium-based browser [22:29] schestowitz-TR maybe even brave [22:29] schestowitz-TR Remember though: [22:29] schestowitz-TR Google is Debian's biggest sponsor atm [22:29] schestowitz-TR google also controls mozilla [22:30] schestowitz-TR they keep mozilla's and debian's lights on [22:30] DaemonFC $ sudo apt purge firefox-esr [22:30] DaemonFC Reading package lists... Done [22:30] DaemonFC Building dependency tree... Done [22:30] DaemonFC Reading state information... Done [22:30] DaemonFC The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [22:30] DaemonFC hunspell-gl-es hunspell-sv-se [22:30] DaemonFC Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. [22:30] DaemonFC The following additional packages will be installed: [22:30] DaemonFC chromium chromium-common chromium-sandbox libjsoncpp24 libminizip1 libre2-9 [22:30] schestowitz-TR and debian already outsource some critical debian servers to google clown engine [22:30] DaemonFC system-config-printer [22:30] DaemonFC Suggested packages: [22:30] DaemonFC chromium-l10n chromium-shell chromium-driver [22:30] DaemonFC The following packages will be REMOVED: [22:30] DaemonFC firefox-esr* firefox-esr-l10n-ar* firefox-esr-l10n-ast* firefox-esr-l10n-be* [22:30] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-bg* firefox-esr-l10n-bn* firefox-esr-l10n-bs* [22:30] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-ca* firefox-esr-l10n-cs* firefox-esr-l10n-cy* [22:30] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-da* firefox-esr-l10n-de* firefox-esr-l10n-el* [22:30] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-en-gb* firefox-esr-l10n-eo* firefox-esr-l10n-es-ar* [22:30] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-es-cl* firefox-esr-l10n-es-es* firefox-esr-l10n-es-mx* [22:30] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-et* firefox-esr-l10n-eu* firefox-esr-l10n-fa* [22:30] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-fi* firefox-esr-l10n-fr* firefox-esr-l10n-ga-ie* [22:30] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-gl* firefox-esr-l10n-gu-in* firefox-esr-l10n-he* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-hi-in* firefox-esr-l10n-hr* firefox-esr-l10n-hu* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-id* firefox-esr-l10n-is* firefox-esr-l10n-it* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-ja* firefox-esr-l10n-kk* firefox-esr-l10n-km* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-kn* firefox-esr-l10n-ko* firefox-esr-l10n-lt* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-lv* firefox-esr-l10n-mk* firefox-esr-l10n-mr* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-nb-no* firefox-esr-l10n-ne-np* firefox-esr-l10n-nl* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-nn-no* firefox-esr-l10n-pa-in* firefox-esr-l10n-pl* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-pt-br* firefox-esr-l10n-pt-pt* firefox-esr-l10n-ro* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-ru* firefox-esr-l10n-si* firefox-esr-l10n-sk* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-sl* firefox-esr-l10n-sq* firefox-esr-l10n-sr* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-sv-se* firefox-esr-l10n-ta* firefox-esr-l10n-te* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-th* firefox-esr-l10n-tr* firefox-esr-l10n-uk* [22:31] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-vi* firefox-esr-l10n-zh-cn* firefox-esr-l10n-zh-tw* [22:31] DaemonFC The following NEW packages will be installed: [22:31] DaemonFC chromium chromium-common chromium-sandbox libjsoncpp24 libminizip1 libre2-9 [22:31] DaemonFC system-config-printer [22:31] DaemonFC 0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 67 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [22:31] DaemonFC Need to get 60.3 MB of archives. [22:31] DaemonFC After this operation, 45.5 MB disk space will be freed. [22:31] DaemonFC Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n [22:31] DaemonFC Abort. [22:31] DaemonFC Yeah... [22:31] DaemonFC Not happy about this. [22:31] schestowitz-TR weird [22:32] schestowitz-TR you can't NEED to have a Web browser [22:32] schestowitz-TR you need an Internet connection, sure [22:32] schestowitz-TR at the very least to be able to install a browser [22:32] schestowitz-TR it's not like people using MSIE to GetFirefox [22:32] schestowitz-TR in GNU/Linux you can go to software centre or whatever and add many browsers [22:33] schestowitz-TR you might even want a machine without any browser [22:33] schestowitz-TR some kiosk [22:33] schestowitz-TR that you keep mostly offline [22:33] schestowitz-TR and they go about suggestion spyium [22:33] schestowitz https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/533991/debian-10-no-microphone-access-on-chromium-based-browsers [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.stackexchange.com | Debian 10: No microphone access on Chromium based browsers - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange [22:34] schestowitz https://forums.debian.net//viewtopic.php?f=10&t=142983 [22:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.debian.net | Debian 10: No microphone access on Chromium based browsers - Debian User Forums [22:34] schestowitz https://news.softpedia.com/news/google-s-chromium-on-debian-is-listening-in-on-your-conversations-484914.shtml [22:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Google's Chromium on Debian Is Listening In on Your Conversations [22:34] schestowitz suffice to say, I never installed Chro* anything on my main box [22:35] schestowitz it's about as trustworthy as pervert mjg59_ [22:35] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/flatpak-viewpoint/index.gmi [22:35] schestowitz ready [22:36] DaemonFC MrDOS [22:36] DaemonFC [22:36] DaemonFC 3y [22:36] DaemonFC As others have pointed out, gnome-core has a dependency on a limited number of browsers. What nobody's told you is how to work around it. My recommendation would be to use equivs to generate a dummy package to fulfill the requirement. [22:36] DaemonFC Generate a configuration file from template (equivs-control chromium-dummy). [22:36] DaemonFC Edit the control file and populate at least a package name (chromium-dummy), and indicate that it Provides: chromium. [22:36] DaemonFC Build the package (equivs-build chromium-dummy). [22:36] DaemonFC Install it (sudo dpkg -i chromium-dummy_1.0_all.deb). [22:36] DaemonFC This should circumnavigate the requirement. Note that I'm dummying Chromium here, not Firefox: apt ignored Provides: firefox, and I think that's because gnome-core specifies a minimum dependency version, but the equivs package doesn't indicate whic [22:37] DaemonFC LMAO [22:37] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/776736.jpg [22:37] DaemonFC OMFG this is stupid. [22:39] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: maybe do a post about this [22:40] schestowitz-TR I know some users won't be happy [22:40] schestowitz-TR you already have the console output [22:40] schestowitz-TR MinceR: clever! [22:43] DaemonFC GNOME metapackage and LibreOffice both depend on Firefox ESR -or- Chromium. [22:44] DaemonFC You also can't remove the Debian version of LibreOffice without uninstalling the GNOME metapackage. [22:44] DaemonFC Because it's a depends, not suggests or recommends. [22:45] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: weird! [22:45] schestowitz-TR the browser part [22:45] schestowitz-TR libreoffice might need some gtk bits [22:45] schestowitz-TR but why a browser? [22:45] schestowitz-TR maybe some component of it? [22:45] DaemonFC LibreOffice demands a browser. [22:45] schestowitz-TR like... not Base, Calc and Writer? [22:46] schestowitz-TR Presenter? [22:46] DaemonFC But it doesn't accept that GNOME Web is a browser, or Vivaldi, or Chrome, or Edge, or whatever other browser you have. [22:46] schestowitz-TR maybe the export as HTML bit? [22:46] DaemonFC It has to be Firefox ESR or Chromium. [22:46] DaemonFC This is just bad design. [22:46] schestowitz-TR maybe that uses some lib from a web browser? [22:47] schestowitz-TR maybe some bug report can explain what necessitates which part of these two browsers, either one of them [22:47] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Maybe I'll try the suggestion of making a dummy package that "provides Chromium". [22:47] schestowitz-TR I have one box with neither browser [22:47] schestowitz-TR it uses netsurf only [22:48] schestowitz-TR iirc, libreoffice already officially abandoned 32-bit archs [22:48] schestowitz-TR and there's no fork or anything to get past this limitation [22:48] schestowitz-TR maybe openoffice.org, but that's outdated and likely very unsafe [22:48] activelow Libreoffice has neither a buildtime nore a runtime dependency against FF or Chromium [22:49] schestowitz-TR anyway, bundling browsers with office suites is a very microsoft-like dick move [22:49] schestowitz-TR activelow: did you check on your systems? [22:49] activelow schestowitz-TR: gentoo tree [22:49] schestowitz-TR iirc, you have the soure code or ebuild [22:50] DaemonFC maybe openoffice.org, but that's outdated and likely very unsafe [22:50] schestowitz-TR so it might be debian needing to explain [22:50] DaemonFC Dead fork. Sour grapes. [22:50] schestowitz-TR it's not a fork [22:50] schestowitz-TR it's just old [22:50] schestowitz-TR they patch a little here and there [22:50] DaemonFC It's technically a fork of OOo because they merged Lotus Symphony back into it. [22:51] DaemonFC But it's been dead ever since then. [22:51] schestowitz-TR ibm's symfpny used to eat off their palm... code [22:51] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: like IBM [22:51] schestowitz-TR fossil COrp. [22:51] schestowitz-TR looking to matter in "clown" [22:51] schestowitz-TR by buying red hat [22:52] schestowitz-TR and then gutting it like Oracle did sun [22:52] schestowitz-TR they thought they can just treat red hat as "asset" [22:53] DaemonFC $ sudo apt purge firefox-esr chromium [22:53] DaemonFC [sudo] password for ryanf: [22:53] DaemonFC Sorry, try again. [22:53] DaemonFC [sudo] password for ryanf: [22:53] DaemonFC Reading package lists... Done [22:53] DaemonFC Building dependency tree... Done [22:53] DaemonFC Reading state information... Done [22:53] DaemonFC Package 'chromium' is not installed, so not removed [22:53] DaemonFC The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [22:53] DaemonFC fonts-symbola hunspell-gl-es hunspell-sv-se hyphen-en-us [22:53] DaemonFC libreoffice-help-en-us mythes-en-us task-desktop x11-apps x11-session-utils [22:53] DaemonFC xinit xorg [22:53] DaemonFC Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. [22:53] DaemonFC The following additional packages will be installed: [22:53] DaemonFC epiphany-browser epiphany-browser-data [22:53] DaemonFC The following packages will be REMOVED: [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr* firefox-esr-l10n-ar* firefox-esr-l10n-ast* firefox-esr-l10n-be* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-bg* firefox-esr-l10n-bn* firefox-esr-l10n-bs* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-ca* firefox-esr-l10n-cs* firefox-esr-l10n-cy* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-da* firefox-esr-l10n-de* firefox-esr-l10n-el* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-en-gb* firefox-esr-l10n-eo* firefox-esr-l10n-es-ar* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-es-cl* firefox-esr-l10n-es-es* firefox-esr-l10n-es-mx* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-et* firefox-esr-l10n-eu* firefox-esr-l10n-fa* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-fi* firefox-esr-l10n-fr* firefox-esr-l10n-ga-ie* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-gl* firefox-esr-l10n-gu-in* firefox-esr-l10n-he* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-hi-in* firefox-esr-l10n-hr* firefox-esr-l10n-hu* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-id* firefox-esr-l10n-is* firefox-esr-l10n-it* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-ja* firefox-esr-l10n-kk* firefox-esr-l10n-km* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-kn* firefox-esr-l10n-ko* firefox-esr-l10n-lt* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-lv* firefox-esr-l10n-mk* firefox-esr-l10n-mr* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-nb-no* firefox-esr-l10n-ne-np* firefox-esr-l10n-nl* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-nn-no* firefox-esr-l10n-pa-in* firefox-esr-l10n-pl* [22:53] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-pt-br* firefox-esr-l10n-pt-pt* firefox-esr-l10n-ro* [22:54] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-ru* firefox-esr-l10n-si* firefox-esr-l10n-sk* [22:54] schestowitz-TR so a PC without a web browser is "naked PC"? [22:54] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-sl* firefox-esr-l10n-sq* firefox-esr-l10n-sr* [22:54] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-sv-se* firefox-esr-l10n-ta* firefox-esr-l10n-te* [22:54] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-th* firefox-esr-l10n-tr* firefox-esr-l10n-uk* [22:54] DaemonFC firefox-esr-l10n-vi* firefox-esr-l10n-zh-cn* firefox-esr-l10n-zh-tw* gnome* [22:54] DaemonFC gnome-core* task-gnome-desktop* [22:54] DaemonFC The following NEW packages will be installed: [22:54] DaemonFC epiphany-browser epiphany-browser-data [22:54] DaemonFC 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 70 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [22:54] DaemonFC Need to get 0 B/4,163 kB of archives. [22:54] DaemonFC After this operation, 238 MB disk space will be freed. [22:54] DaemonFC Do you want to continue? [Y/n] [22:54] DaemonFC Well, if I install the Debian package of Epiphany then the Flatpak won't run! [22:54] DaemonFC Plus look at that shit, it says I don't need xorg anymore. [22:55] schestowitz-TR why "PURGE"? [22:55] schestowitz-TR you realise the diff, right? [22:55] schestowitz-TR you are doing a radical approach [22:55] DaemonFC remove does the same thing [22:56] schestowitz-TR did you try? [22:56] DaemonFC Yes. [22:56] DaemonFC It wants to do the same thing. [22:56] schestowitz-TR seems like a bug [22:56] schestowitz-TR many things need xorg [22:58] DaemonFC possibly [22:59] DaemonFC Does Debian do the standalone xwayland? ● Oct 02 [23:00] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I understand this now. [23:01] DaemonFC Nothing on my computer needs xorg, x11-apps, or x11-session-utils if I do this. [23:01] DaemonFC Because XWayland will still be there and so will the parts of X that _it_ uses. [23:03] DaemonFC This is just bad dependency management. [23:03] DaemonFC I agree it would be less of a problem to just shiv an empty package that claims it provides chromium. [23:04] DaemonFC That would make apt happy because you uninstall Firefox and there's "chromium". [23:04] DaemonFC But it wouldn't solve the problem that they're trying to force peopel to have a web browser. [23:04] DaemonFC And that they don't recognize flatpaks. [23:08] schestowitz-TR well, they assume desktops [23:08] schestowitz-TR you would not use libreoffice on a server [23:09] schestowitz-TR probably not a kiosk either [23:09] schestowitz-TR many of the 'clown'heads want us to use "apps" and "webapps" [23:16] schestowitz "I really love C," Torvalds said at one point. "I think C is a great language, and C is, to me, is really a way to control the hardware at a fairly low level..." [23:16] schestowitz https://thenewstack.io/linus-torvalds-on-community-rust-and-linuxs-longevity/ [23:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io | Linus Torvalds on Community, Rust and Linuxs Longevity The New Stack [23:17] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.85 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 14.30 swarm size (avg): 257.92 [23:21] DaemonFC schestowitz, I mainly roped in the GNOME Web flatpak for the Youtube adblocker. [23:21] DaemonFC Christ, those are annoying. [23:22] DaemonFC So bad that I'm using a Flatpak version of the browser JUST due to that. [23:22] DaemonFC It uses a WebkitGTK out of a GNOME Platform 41 Flatpak that it brought in, partially. [23:24] schestowitz-TR [23:21] Christ, those are annoying. [23:24] schestowitz-TR I noticed, I know [23:24] schestowitz-TR not just the ones preceding videos, also ad banners on the sides [23:25] DaemonFC There's some sort of AdGuard script that's built-in now, that just zips past the ad and to the video you want. [23:25] schestowitz-TR just use Invidious [23:25] schestowitz-TR also helps bypass other evils [23:25] DaemonFC You might see one frame of an ad, but it never plays, and then it goes right to the video, and the video plays with no interruptions [23:26] DaemonFC So what does Invidious do? [23:27] schestowitz "After three decades of developing the operating system in C, Hohndel conceded he was very surprised to see how open you were to this idea of introducing Rust modules into the new system.' [23:27] schestowitz " [23:27] schestowitz I really love C, Torvalds acknowledged. I think C is a great language, and C is, to me, is really a way to control the hardware at a fairly low level. So that when I see C code, I can pretty closely guess what the compiler does. It is so close to the hardware that you can do anything with [it]. [23:27] schestowitz Yet Torvalds also saw Hohndels analogy that it can be like juggling chainsaws. As a long-time watcher of C, Torvalds knows that Cs subtle type interactions are not always logical and are pitfalls for pretty much anybody. And theyre easy to overlook, and in the kernel thats not always a good thing. Torvalds called Rust the first language I saw which looked like this might actually be a solution [23:27] schestowitz There are other considerations that C programmers value like high performance and ease of debugging but theres still some openness to experiments with Rust. People have been talking about Rust in the kernel for a long-ish time by now and its not done yet, the Linux creator said. So well see. [23:27] schestowitz " [23:27] schestowitz "Probably next year, well start seeing some first intrepid modules being written in Rust, and maybe being integrated in the mainline kernel." [23:27] schestowitz ugh [23:28] schestowitz "The Linux Foundation and VMware Tanzu are sponsors of The New Stack." [23:29] DaemonFC The seek button doesn't work on Invidious. [23:30] schestowitz-TR slider? [23:31] DaemonFC Yeah. [23:31] DaemonFC Apparently, Apple wants to "detect" mental illness with iPhones. [23:31] DaemonFC That's not creepy at all. [23:34] schestowitz they have batteries [23:34] schestowitz they can do shock therapy [23:34] *m___ (~Adium@mfgnrw6khgqhe.irc) has joined #techrights [23:34] schestowitz only if they detect you as mentally ill of course... [23:44] schestowitz https://hackaday.com/2021/10/01/mouse-and-keyboard-controls-on-the-n64/ [23:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mouse And Keyboard Controls On The N64 | Hackaday [23:53] *activelow has quit (Quit: leaving) [23:54] AdmFubar apple will find their users are all nuts... [23:55] MinceR i think they already know [23:56] schestowitz-TR :-3 [23:56] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/apple-adding-spyware-to-iphones-to-detect-if-youre-mentally-ill-using-the-camera/ [23:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Apple adding spyware to iPhones to detect if youre mentally ill, using the camera. BaronHK's Rants [23:57] DaemonFC They're a very predatory company. They use Mandy. [23:57] schestowitz-TR you are mentally ill if you buy these things [23:57] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: case of point [23:57] DaemonFC They use everyone that has one. [23:57] schestowitz-TR mandy: haording airpods [23:57] schestowitz-TR *hoarding [23:57] schestowitz-TR binging-shopping [23:57] DaemonFC They become some tool of these assholes. [23:57] schestowitz-TR yesterday's products, in bulk [23:58] schestowitz-TR mandy is rich [23:58] schestowitz-TR but, not a millionaire yet [23:58] schestowitz-TR if you have non-SE hypePhone [23:58] schestowitz-TR it means you're a walmart millionaire [23:58] schestowitz-TR you have the most expe... I mean, overpriced piece of junk [23:59] MinceR pretty sure you can get non-SE hypePhones at a low price if they're used [23:59] MinceR and possibly more broken than they are by design [23:59] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: one iphone costs more than ALL 6 of our computers combined, inc. screens and peripherals