●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 ●● ● Dec 02 [00:13] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [00:26] *psymin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:26] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights ● Dec 02 [01:02] *psymin has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [01:03] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [01:11] *gde34 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) [01:12] Ariadne I'm Miss Emily Rooney. I came across your profile on Github's website. I [01:12] Ariadne decided to write to you please chat with me. I have important business to [01:12] Ariadne discuss with you. I am waiting for your mail. Thanks. [01:12] Ariadne well, that's a new one [01:12] Ariadne schestowitz: no [01:40] DaemonFC[m] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-pardon.html [01:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani - The New York Times ● Dec 02 [02:43] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Dec 02 [03:26] schestowitz oh, crap [03:26] schestowitz when blocking a DDOS attack [03:26] schestowitz I forgot to undo it [03:27] schestowitz ended blocking all 2020 articles for over 4 hours !!! ● Dec 02 [04:40] schestowitz Ariadne: instead of setting up a new pleroma instance is it possible to take the existing pleroma.site instance, in case it's orphaned? [04:40] schestowitz 2 days of downtime now, I tried looking for info but found none [04:40] Ariadne href is not presently on irc [04:40] schestowitz OK, thanks, very odd... ● Dec 02 [05:01] cybrNaut we need a remedy for all the scumbags #DiaperDon has pardoned. Perhaps an organised boycott against their businesses. Does Giuliani have or benefit from any businesses? [05:02] schestowitz paint business [05:04] schestowitz Ariadne: just a quick question: do you reckon the site will come back in one form or another? Many people rely on it, not just me and tuxmachines [05:04] Ariadne no idea [05:04] Ariadne hopefully so [05:05] Ariadne cybrNaut: lmfao giuliana owns an INFOSEC company [05:05] Ariadne giuliani [05:05] Ariadne even [05:05] schestowitz Ariadne: i will check wait longer then.. [05:05] Ariadne you should just boycott that anyway because i am sure it is awful [05:05] schestowitz but well-connected [05:06] Ariadne sure, i'm just saying infosec advice from giuliani is probably wrong and you're probably better off doing the exact opposite of whatever his company were to advise [05:06] schestowitz no need for merit, just slap "infosec" and "secop" on it, then wait for the grifting [05:07] Ariadne giulianisec says "don't hand over your data to attackers", definitely hand that data right over [05:09] schestowitz "keep your antivirus up to date" [05:09] schestowitz I had to do a module this this last week for ISO certification, those things are RIDICIULOUS [05:10] schestowitz then they require you t parrot the ridiculous [05:10] Ariadne antivirus is worthless [05:10] Ariadne even on windows [05:10] Ariadne just don't go to dodgy websites and don't open dodgy emails [05:11] Ariadne which you shouldn't do on any OS [05:11] schestowitz that's just a start [05:11] Ariadne most of that security software is snake oil [05:11] Ariadne you get better security wins from teaching your staff to use their fucking brains [05:13] cybrNaut https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.giulianisecurity.com/ [05:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Giuliani Security & Safety Global Security Services Global security services provided by the most elite security professionals in the world. We also offer criminal justice reform, compliance investigations, and more. [05:13] Ariadne :D [05:13] schestowitz "criminal justice reform" [05:13] schestowitz aiding and pardoning criminals [05:13] schestowitz of the most dangerous kind [05:13] Ariadne yeah i wouldn't tust his criminal justice reform [05:14] cybrNaut bummer.. it's not really a boycott if most ppl aren't feeding him anyway [05:14] Ariadne another case where you just do the opposite of whatever he says [05:14] schestowitz Someones Going to Get Killed: #Georgia Election Officials Emotional Plea to #Trump , Loeffler, Perdue https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/2020-election-georgia-fraud-trump-get-killed-loeffler-perdue-1097247/ [05:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Georgia Election Official Begs Trump to Stop Spreading Conspiracies - Rolling Stone [05:14] schestowitz Someones Going To Get Killed: Ga. Official Blasts #GOP Silence On #Election Threats https://text.npr.org/940961602 [05:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | 'Someone's Going To Get Killed': Ga. Official Blasts GOP Silence On Election Threats [05:14] schestowitz Georgia elections official urges Trump to rein in supporters https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-georgia-elections-58e0fe86f601e092779c413fdad52a63 [05:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | Georgia elections official urges Trump to rein in supporters [05:16] cybrNaut well, Giuliani was good with cleaning up NY (criminal justice reform) -- before he got involved with #DiaperDon [05:16] schestowitz I only remember him for 9/11 [05:17] schestowitz not exactly a shining hour [05:17] schestowitz but now we get 9/11s per day [05:17] schestowitz while he defends a covid denier [05:18] Ariadne as biden said in 2008, "noun, verb, 9/11" [05:18] schestowitz 2,611 deaths yesterday in the US, with #COVID19 -- wait until those #thanksgiving travel figures are factored in ● Dec 02 [06:33] chovy anyong hiring a junior-mid level linux sysadmin? ● Dec 02 [07:03] schestowitz should have asked before covid ^_^ [07:03] schestowitz I used to know of firms that still hired [07:03] schestowitz even the one we work for [07:04] schestowitz IBM laying off about 10,000 engs in Europe right now [07:04] schestowitz so the competition for openings too is intensifying [07:51] schestowitz > [07:51] schestowitz > Oiaohm is really on an argumentum ab auctoritate kick lately. [07:51] schestowitz > [07:51] schestowitz >> Even invdividuals these days have to live by socal norms. Its not [07:51] schestowitz > like we have nude Philosophers walking around in barrels being classed [07:51] schestowitz > as acceptable. [07:51] schestowitz > [07:51] schestowitz > Don't tempt me. Also does he think it's because we actually disallow [07:51] schestowitz > people walking in barrels or because that would be far less convenient [07:51] schestowitz > than wearing something a bit more ergonomic? It's like he's not even [07:51] schestowitz > trying this week, I expect better from a first-class pedant. [07:57] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) ● Dec 02 [08:20] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:20] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights [08:26] *notanamber (~luca@host-79-6-210-200.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights ● Dec 02 [10:19] oiaohm schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indecent_exposure Really who was the one who pulled that up. My point is based on the general laws. [10:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Indecent exposure - Wikipedia [10:19] oiaohm Generally there are lot of things we cannot legally do. [10:19] oiaohm because socal norms have been coded into law. ● Dec 02 [11:09] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [11:33] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) ● Dec 02 [12:43] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dtrdarsxnfpkpogi) has joined #techrights ● Dec 02 [13:28] *asusbox2 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:28] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:57] *aindilis has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [13:57] *aindilis` (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 02 [14:24] *aindilis` has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [14:26] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [14:33] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:36] DaemonFC[m] Trump is arranging pardons for the entire Trump Crime Family including Leaking Hair Dye Court Jester Giuliani. [14:36] DaemonFC[m] We knew this was coming, though. [14:36] DaemonFC[m] Won't be enough to save anyone from state prosecutors. [14:37] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, first they came for the...... [14:37] DaemonFC[m] Anyway, have fun with that. [14:38] DaemonFC[m] I believe it goes yada yada then they came for me, and there was nobody left to fight for me. [14:38] DaemonFC[m] That's where this free trade and open borders shit was heading 30 years ago, schestowitz [14:38] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/Tqfmv3I.jpg [14:38] DaemonFC[m] Tax incentives to figure out ways to fire Americans. [14:38] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft loves raiding the Treasury. [14:39] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft loves permatemps. [14:39] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft loves "interns". [14:39] DaemonFC[m] It's the oldest trick in the book. Divide and conquer. [14:40] DaemonFC[m] First you go after the blue collar workers because you can just up and replace them with robots or sweatshop labor. [14:40] DaemonFC[m] And these people with degrees on their wall are like oh they'll never attack me, I'm far too highly skilled. [14:41] DaemonFC[m] It results in an economy where you're either the CEO of something or an Uber driver. [14:42] DaemonFC[m] The far-right thrives on that. They have no incentive to do anything except making it worse, like Trump's updates to NAFTA, or Brexit. [14:42] DaemonFC[m] As long as they can fan the flames by making people broke and desperate, they'll keep getting crazier and more politically extreme. [14:52] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20072550 [14:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4782121) [14:59] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights ● Dec 02 [15:15] MinceR https://xkcd.com/2258/ [15:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Solar System Changes [15:37] MinceR https://xkcd.com/2261/ [15:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Worst Thing That Could Happen [15:56] *tdemin (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights ● Dec 02 [16:05] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:18] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6j8br2SNGU [16:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[YTP] Drug DeMuro's Bonkers Backseat Bonanza - YouTube [16:51] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [16:52] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20072423 [16:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4778817) ● Dec 02 [17:00] schestowitz MinceR: at least they stand up for something... [17:03] schestowitz Ariadne: today I checked href's profiles etc. [17:03] schestowitz didn't know who he was [17:03] schestowitz or that stuff about gitlab about pleroma [17:03] schestowitz seems pleroma.site is registered until 2022 [17:04] schestowitz April iirc [17:04] schestowitz hope the site comes back [17:04] schestowitz already lost 3 fediverse accounts [17:04] schestowitz in like... maybe 4 years [17:04] schestowitz self-hosting one would mean lots of maintenance [17:04] schestowitz and learning new things, having to fix things, back up, renew stuff, upgrades [17:04] schestowitz and lots of disk space I think [17:05] *fujisan (uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cnwqmojuqfedbagh) has joined #techrights [17:05] schestowitz the vision of fediverse seems idealistic\ in that light [17:05] schestowitz I miss the days MORE of us just had ACTIVE blogs with RSS [17:05] schestowitz We'd follow each others' xml/atom [17:05] schestowitz and then be able to comment on each other's site [17:06] schestowitz no need to maintain copies of objects on few servers with objects from lots of instances [17:06] schestowitz either way, if href is just 'incommunicado', then I'll wait a few more days before leaping to any decisions/actions [17:07] schestowitz just a shame that without any prior warning the site just went down. Weeks prior to that image uploads stopped working in the site, so maybe technical burden/debt causes fatigue [17:08] schestowitz On December 15th Twitter becomes NOT accessible at all unless you run proprietary JavaScript on your machine. To myself and many others this will be the end of Twitter. [17:08] schestowitz That's social control media [17:08] schestowitz harvesting people's data. [17:09] fujisan hello [17:09] fujisan schestowitz: [17:09] schestowitz hi fujisan [17:09] schestowitz we met before, have we not? [17:10] schestowitz You oddly enough said something about rianne's cooking skils [17:10] schestowitz *skills [17:10] fujisan we were both here before [17:10] fujisan i dunno if we actually interacted [17:11] schestowitz yeah, well... [17:11] schestowitz We're still doing OK [17:11] schestowitz gym reopened today [17:11] schestowitz the sites still going, pleroma.site down for 2.5 days [17:11] schestowitz I think covid19 took its toll on many sites [17:11] schestowitz groklaw down now for 6 weeks [17:12] schestowitz and it's just one of many such sites [17:12] schestowitz people looking to cut down expenses and all [17:12] schestowitz saddening [17:12] schestowitz even if one isn't struggling directly, the surroundings rot away [17:13] fujisan yeah i have been living in total isolation for 8 months or so but being an extreme introvert for decades has prepared me well [17:13] fujisan i'd say if the whole world live like me there wouldnt be as many cases [17:13] fujisan lived* [17:14] schestowitz I left home today for first time in 16 days [17:14] schestowitz we had had lockdowns [17:14] schestowitz I did visit only the next-door neighbour [17:14] schestowitz anyway [17:14] schestowitz we've only just seen teh beginning of it [17:14] fujisan my record is 114 days [17:14] fujisan this year [17:14] schestowitz houses are being sold here as means of emergency fund-raising as people lose work and pensions [17:15] fujisan i work for the government so i have been working remotely [17:15] fujisan my local gov that is [17:15] schestowitz buying food by home delivery I assume [17:15] fujisan yep [17:15] schestowitz 114 days might be hard if you need to buy some things and not over the Net [17:16] fujisan true [17:16] schestowitz our tech jobs will be next to go [17:16] schestowitz they cannot automate everything, but they can decrease the need for manpower [17:16] fujisan havent been in the office for like 263 days now [17:16] schestowitz we shut down our office in July [17:16] fujisan i work in finance actually [17:16] schestowitz first time for the company since 1990s [17:17] schestowitz finance jobs can be sent offshore [17:17] fujisan our workload increased due to covid [17:17] schestowitz as can many other jobs [17:17] fujisan not these kind of jobs [17:17] schestowitz when people work from home their advantage (physical proximity) is already gone [17:17] fujisan they require indepth knowledge of the legislation and language skills [17:17] schestowitz techrights.org/2018/07/22/antonio-campinos-outsourcing/ [17:17] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2018/07/22/antonio-campinos-outsourcing/ [17:17] fujisan and my main language isnt english [17:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Efficiency in Action: Antnio Campinos is Sending Jobs Abroad, Then Gagging Critics | Techrights [17:17] schestowitz don't overestimate your job security [17:18] schestowitz or underestimate the COVID excuses for sending jobs elsewhere [17:18] fujisan im not [17:18] schestowitz in the name of "we must save money" [17:18] fujisan the organisation i work for is wealthy [17:18] fujisan they have like 4000 million euros [17:18] schestowitz ok, so statistically speaking it's not safe, but you might be on the shallow end of the pool [17:19] fujisan im not worried but i get your point [17:19] schestowitz EPO had also about 4000 million euros [17:19] fujisan even if i lose it it's fine [17:19] schestowitz but read November 2020 article sin techrights [17:19] fujisan it's a gov organisation different rules apply [17:19] schestowitz they fake their financial situation [17:19] fujisan it's not like a regular business [17:19] schestowitz because nothing is ever enough, now they rob staff and reduce the number of employees [17:19] schestowitz based on a hoax 'study' from the Mercers [17:20] fujisan and my job i got it because i have autism [17:20] schestowitz EPO is also like gov [17:20] fujisan and the gov has a plan to hire more disabled ppl [17:20] fujisan they even have issues finding enough skilled disabled ppl for this plan [17:20] fujisan so if i get sacked i can work for another gov org [17:21] schestowitz https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/01/utterly-arbitrary-and-unlawful-farmworker-groups-sue-block-trump-wage-freeze [17:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Utterly Arbitrary and Unlawful': Farmworker Groups Sue to Block Trump Wage Freeze | Common Dreams News [17:21] schestowitz this I just stumbled upon [17:21] schestowitz moments ago, by chance [17:21] schestowitz don't assume gov will keep employees [17:21] schestowitz even if there's money to pay them [17:21] fujisan im not but im from the Netherlands [17:21] schestowitz the rich are revolting [17:21] schestowitz covid gives them excuses [17:21] fujisan we are relatively wealthy and can handle it [17:21] schestowitz they want more money and power [17:21] fujisan plus the cure is around the corner now [17:22] schestowitz it's not [17:22] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705891.jpg [17:22] fujisan it's not? [17:22] schestowitz the hype is more than around the corner [17:22] schestowitz the hype is here [17:22] fujisan Moderna, Pfizer ? [17:22] schestowitz experimenting on people [17:22] fujisan is that all not true? [17:22] schestowitz Pfizer is dodgy [17:22] fujisan what about Oxford? [17:22] schestowitz We wrote 6 articles about them [17:22] schestowitz they're a bit of a ponzi schene [17:22] schestowitz *scheme [17:22] fujisan you are a real dr btw? [17:23] CrystalMath fujisan: i was hopeful about that one, based on how thye made it [17:23] schestowitz What abotu sputnik-v? [17:23] fujisan M.D. [17:23] CrystalMath but it seems that it sucks [17:23] MinceR other doctors are not "real"? :> [17:23] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [17:23] CrystalMath schestowitz is an M.D.? [17:23] fujisan my uncle is a dr. [17:23] fujisan i dunno i assumed based on his hostmask and the context of this debate [17:24] CrystalMath he has a PhD [17:24] schestowitz not even md is into epidemics [17:24] fujisan oh okay [17:24] schestowitz few are [17:24] CrystalMath but i'm not sure which science though [17:24] schestowitz md typically means practising medicine, not vaccine research [17:24] fujisan what kind of PhD for which field? [17:25] schestowitz medical biophysics [17:25] fujisan okay nice [17:25] schestowitz I knew astrazeneca [17:25] schestowitz they 'funded' (bribed) some students [17:25] schestowitz they make money from 'luxury' (overpriced) drugs [17:26] schestowitz it takes 5-15 to develop vaccines [17:26] schestowitz and then test them [17:26] schestowitz long and short term impact [17:26] CrystalMath 5-15 what? [17:26] schestowitz not months [17:26] schestowitz years [17:26] CrystalMath i would say years [17:26] fujisan what about distributed bio that got sponsored via Bill & Melinda? [17:26] schestowitz sorry, forgot that word [17:26] schestowitz Gates is a scam [17:26] fujisan and what about Bionntech [17:26] schestowitz and he's trying another new scam to outrun bezos [17:26] fujisan so everyone is a scam? [17:27] schestowitz because of Gates involvement few people would accept a vaccine now [17:27] fujisan are you from Moldova? [17:27] CrystalMath fujisan: to put it simply, there's no cure for covid in sight [17:27] schestowitz because he is a convicted criminal who knows nothing about the field [17:27] schestowitz he has always been after money [17:27] schestowitz CrystalMath: there is not [17:27] schestowitz there are press releases [17:27] fujisan not a cure but a vaccin to prevent the disease from inception [17:27] schestowitz with claims [17:27] schestowitz and secret data [17:27] schestowitz maybe they give you stats about young people [17:28] schestowitz and they now want many people to join they experiment [17:28] schestowitz and there's high risk, that's why they even OFFER them money [17:28] schestowitz I suppose to also sign some documents (waivers) [17:28] fujisan what about Herd immunity and the pandemic of 1890 that was also a corona virus that mutated and became mild? [17:28] fujisan the forgotten pandemic [17:28] schestowitz her immunity s a joke [17:28] CrystalMath there was a coronavirus in around 1000 too [17:28] schestowitz overpopulation is not [17:29] CrystalMath that's when Setracovirus hit [17:29] schestowitz we cannot properly isolate people anymore [17:29] schestowitz esp. in big cities like ours [17:29] fujisan true [17:29] schestowitz or most Dutch cities [17:29] fujisan so what is the solution? [17:29] schestowitz a sinking country [17:29] CrystalMath Setracovirus being an alphacoronavirus species [17:29] schestowitz if you count all the soft soil [17:29] CrystalMath nowadays you know Setracovirus as the common cold [17:29] fujisan being below sealevel yes some cities are sinking true [17:29] CrystalMath well, one of the causes [17:29] schestowitz (I forgot the details about population density in .nl but read about that ages ago) [17:29] fujisan the world is sinking as a matter of fact because of climate change [17:30] schestowitz jakarta [17:30] schestowitz i heard it won't be capital anymore [17:30] fujisan schestowitz: it's populated but only in urban areas [17:30] schestowitz and people will abandon/relocate [17:30] fujisan in other areas it's not so populated [17:30] schestowitz fujisan: that's where most things are [17:30] schestowitz we're reliant on that density [17:30] schestowitz Internet, electricity, roads [17:31] schestowitz unless you're some Eskimo [17:31] schestowitz or some hunter gatherer [17:31] fujisan arent you worried about phosphor depletion ? [17:31] fujisan or drinking water depletion [17:32] schestowitz btw [17:32] fujisan i mean isnt covid a hyperbole? [17:32] schestowitz in case you do not read techrights [17:32] schestowitz epo is in nl [17:32] schestowitz two cities there mostly [17:32] schestowitz large cities [17:32] schestowitz the staff is crushed [17:32] schestowitz in europe's second-largest org [17:32] schestowitz the gov is not protecting them [17:32] schestowitz instead if protected the immunity of the epo managers [17:32] fujisan this whole covid is bad ofc. but it also creates a lot of myopia [17:32] schestowitz and even the highest court doubled down on it [17:33] schestowitz and if epo is screwed, then labour rights in ALL of europe is bygone [17:33] fujisan the solution to this crisis is in a book [17:33] schestowitz fujisan: wait till you're surrounded by employed people... like 50% real unemployment [17:33] fujisan a book i got a few years ago [17:33] MinceR 02 182939 < CrystalMath> nowadays you know Setracovirus as the common cold [17:33] schestowitz the government doesn't say how bad things really are [17:33] MinceR the common cold is caused by many different viruses [17:33] schestowitz restaurants, hospitality, stadiums... [17:33] fujisan schestowitz: im not worried about the economy [17:34] schestowitz they count one parents working as "employed" couple [17:34] schestowitz and don't count those who gave up looking [17:34] schestowitz [14:41] It results in an economy where you're either the CEO of something or an Uber driver. [17:34] schestowitz [14:42] The far-right thrives on that. They have no incentive to do anything except making it worse, like Trump's updates to NAFTA, or Brexit. [17:34] schestowitz [14:42] As long as they can fan the flames by making people broke and desperate, they'll keep getting crazier and more politically extreme. [17:34] schestowitz DaemonFC[m] put it the way I would too [17:34] fujisan im more worried about phosphor depletion and droughts and not producing enough food, which got forecasted for the 2030s 10 years ago [17:34] MinceR rhinoviruses, human coronaviruses, influenza viruses, adenoviruses, etc. [17:34] schestowitz breaking in, muggings etc. to follow [17:34] fujisan which isn't the case yet right now [17:35] fujisan we have a good welfare system here im not worried [17:35] schestowitz the droughts happen already [17:35] schestowitz see vietnam, ph etc. [17:35] fujisan i know [17:35] CrystalMath MinceR: i addeed "well, one of the causes" [17:35] fujisan here as well [17:35] schestowitz lots of floods etc. [17:35] schestowitz importing excess from other countries works ok as long as they too don't have droughts [17:35] CrystalMath MinceR: i'm aware of the other causes [17:35] schestowitz otherwise it's another ukraine 1930s [17:36] fujisan overpopulation is a driven force to a lot of issues i know that as well but it's still a taboo to address [17:36] fujisan driving* [17:36] CrystalMath MinceR: all coronaviruses eventually become tame [17:36] MinceR [citation needed] [17:36] schestowitz like the black plague [17:36] schestowitz it became tame [17:36] fujisan the black plague is still around and there are still cases of it [17:36] schestowitz ad europe becomes a lot less populated [17:36] CrystalMath MinceR: they all did so far, and i can extrapolate based on the fact that they mutate exceptionally [17:36] fujisan just very few cases [17:37] CrystalMath MinceR: Setracovirus's original impact used to be a 1%-5% death rate according to research, nowadays it's a joke [17:37] fujisan i was in micropia the microbe museum in Amsterdam, 67% of all life on earth are microbes, bacteria or viruses only 33 % is visible to us humans [17:37] fujisan this is just 1 virus [17:37] fujisan of that 67% [17:38] CrystalMath MinceR: the 1890 betacoronavirus also stopped killing, although we're not sure what that was [17:38] schestowitz fujisan: that's missing the point [17:38] schestowitz not all are as fatal when you catch it or easy to pass around [17:39] CrystalMath if we were to think of COVID-19 as a repeat of 1890 [17:39] CrystalMath then 8 million would die tops [17:39] schestowitz we saw how we can have over 1000 uk deaths a day within weeks of it passing around with few restrictions in place [17:39] fujisan all im saying is we are myopic at the moment when you zoom and look at the history of humanity this is not even a large pandemic [17:39] MinceR CrystalMath: from it happening a few times before it doesn't follow that it always happens [17:39] search_social cnn decided they want an excuse to seize gov power [17:39] CrystalMath MinceR: but you can conclude this as being due to the amazing mutating capabilities of coronaviruses, check the studies on TGEV from Wuhan [17:39] search_social so cnn decided coronavirus is important [17:40] MinceR CrystalMath: mutation is not predictable [17:40] schestowitz cnn? [17:40] schestowitz didn't know cnn ran the us [17:40] fujisan MinceR: the virus has more benefits if it becomes milder to survive and thrive each season [17:40] fujisan it's only logical [17:40] schestowitz anyway, let's agree covid is not the biggest issue [17:40] schestowitz flaky economy is [17:40] MinceR mutation is not logical, it's random [17:40] schestowitz it collapses at least 12 years ago [17:40] fujisan nature makes it predictable [17:40] CrystalMath MinceR: survival is not random [17:40] schestowitz it never really recovered, it was just patches and borrowings [17:40] CrystalMath MinceR: and thus, evolution is NOT random [17:40] MinceR CrystalMath: neither is ours [17:41] CrystalMath MinceR: as Richard Dawkins explains [17:41] schestowitz and projections that could not be fulfilled, even pensios [17:41] schestowitz many people empty their pension funds now [17:41] fujisan yes MinceR but it mutates to survive longer if their hosts die it cant spread [17:41] MinceR it already has many potential hosts, afaik [17:41] MinceR and not all of them are affected the same [17:41] CrystalMath MinceR: you should check out his video (intended for children though, but very interesting nonetheless), he was comparing randomness to evolution [17:41] schestowitz it also reinfects them [17:42] fujisan just like the common cold which is also a corona virus? [17:42] schestowitz so passing it through everyone doesn't solve the issue [17:42] schestowitz for flu we have decent vaccines at least [17:42] MinceR fujisan: this was already discussed [17:42] fujisan okay MinceR :) [17:42] CrystalMath there is absolutely no way that it won't eventually mutate into a harmless virus that you won't even notice [17:43] CrystalMath there are some viruses that don't, though [17:43] CrystalMath they're definitely in the minority [17:43] CrystalMath like rabies [17:43] MinceR but you just _know_ this one will [17:44] CrystalMath MinceR: it's pretty certain [17:44] CrystalMath coronaviruses are the safest in the world [17:44] MinceR except for the ones that aren't [17:44] CrystalMath you could question that for marburgviruses, and ebola [17:44] CrystalMath but for coronaviruses? no way [17:44] CrystalMath ebola seems like a good candidate for another virus that's going to ignore the survival of its host [17:44] MinceR everything you say about SARS-CoV-2 depends on your assumption that it's "just the common cold" [17:44] MinceR which it is not [17:45] CrystalMath MinceR: no not really [17:45] CrystalMath at least, i'm not pushing that now [17:45] CrystalMath though i do believe that you can see it that way, if you're willing to ignore a few million deaths [17:45] MinceR you got so used to pushing that you don't even notice doing it anymore [17:45] CrystalMath i persoally think it would be more than 8 million, but i'm maybe willing to ignore even more than that [17:45] MinceR well, a few million deaths is only a statistic [17:46] MinceR if you ignore enough facts, you can make anything seem true [17:46] CrystalMath well no, this isn't about facts [17:46] CrystalMath it's just a question of [17:46] MinceR it's about "alternative facts" [17:46] CrystalMath "50 million people died, oh no" [17:46] CrystalMath and [17:46] CrystalMath "50 mlllion people died, who cares" [17:47] CrystalMath same fact, different interpretation [17:47] CrystalMath hence it's not about questioning facts, it's about questioning morality [17:48] search_social a 600lb person died "with covid" is a fact [17:48] search_social you're personally responsible for killing said 600lb person cuz you celebrated thanksgiving is not a fact [17:48] CrystalMath right ^ [17:49] MinceR what if i celebrated thanksgiving by shooting him with a container of SARS-CoV-2 virions? [17:51] search_social the flu kills 50k people each year [17:51] CrystalMath some people celebrate thanksgiving by shooting someone with a bullet... i'm not saying it's okay, but it happens nonetheless; and we all live with the fact that one day we can become the shootee [17:51] search_social we should just go into global lockdown every year [17:51] search_social otherwise that would be like shooting people with containers of virions [17:51] schestowitz search_social: would be worse if we did not vaccine the elderly [17:51] schestowitz in the uk we offer 'free' vaccines for flu if you're in high-risk group [17:51] CrystalMath what i'm promoting is nihilism - it doesn't matter [17:52] schestowitz it might decrease death numbers by a factor like one order of magnitude [17:52] CrystalMath so what if you're gonna be shot? have fun on your day, and when you get shot, you'll either survive and become stronger, or you'll die and you won't know a thing anymore [17:52] MinceR for something that "doesn't matter", you're mighty invested in the specifics of SARS-CoV-2 [17:52] CrystalMath life has no meaning anyway [17:52] search_social it matters because govs use it as an excuse to assume "emergency" powers [17:52] schestowitz CrystalMath want to die before age 30 [17:52] CrystalMath nihilism was always right all along [17:52] schestowitz wgich I think disqualifies him from this debate [17:52] schestowitz he also wants others to be put down before age 30 [17:52] search_social once the gov controls every aspect of life they will never return said control [17:52] CrystalMath schestowitz: i never said the latter, also the former is somewhat incorrect [17:53] schestowitz he belongs not in covid debates [17:53] schestowitz but in death panel debates [17:53] CrystalMath i made a reference to the movie Logan's Run [17:53] search_social they're the same thing [17:53] CrystalMath where everyone is killed upon reaching age 30 [17:53] schestowitz especially those with main questions like, should we ask people to justify their existence each year after age 18 [17:53] search_social how much tyranny are we willing to enact on millions of people to extend the life of a 600lb person by one month? [17:53] CrystalMath schestowitz: i don't believe that [17:53] CrystalMath schestowitz: i believe in letting go [17:54] schestowitz people don't want to let go [17:54] CrystalMath like, what i believe in, is not caring [17:54] schestowitz you do [17:54] MinceR https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhopcxgXcAAdTyv.jpg [17:54] CrystalMath just be happy while you can [17:54] schestowitz and you don't respect other people's freedom [17:54] schestowitz by deciding for them that shielding oneself from covid is BS [17:54] search_social putting millions on lockdown cuz you weigh 600 lbs is not "respecting other people's freedom" [17:54] CrystalMath i'm not actually [17:54] CrystalMath in practice, i'm not [17:54] search_social and no one cares if people "shield themselves" from covid [17:54] CrystalMath because i still do what's required [17:54] search_social they care when they start tyrannizing others [17:55] CrystalMath yet i'm speaking against it, because i want to convince everyone to just live their short life however they want [17:55] CrystalMath and not care for the future [17:55] CrystalMath live only for today [17:55] schestowitz MinceR: I love that image [17:55] schestowitz CrystalMath: not everyone wants to live a short life [17:55] schestowitz I guess you're 25-30 [17:55] schestowitz I'm 38 [17:56] CrystalMath when i saw 9/11 i said "well they had it coming after all these years of attacking other countries" [17:56] schestowitz and it would be nice to have another 40 years for activism [17:56] schestowitz maybe not your thibg [17:56] fujisan okay okay [17:56] CrystalMath there will be other activists after me [17:56] fujisan i will interject some additional information [17:56] schestowitz but for you to decide for others because "MY FREEDOM" is ridiculously dumb [17:56] CrystalMath schestowitz: like i said, i don't, i'm promoting the idea of nihilism [17:56] schestowitz [17:56] when i saw 9/11 i said "well they had it coming after all these years of attacking other countries" [17:56] schestowitz this is what Biobby Fischer said in ph radio [17:57] fujisan ageing has been classified as a disease and since 2011 ageing has been reversible in rats [17:57] MinceR you're promoting a misunderstood version of nihilism [17:57] schestowitz and was suffering retribution for that for years [17:57] CrystalMath schestowitz: although at first i thought a plane hit by accident, before the other tower was hit [17:57] fujisan so does that mean that we should stop making babies and just reverse ageing instead? [17:57] fujisan make everyone infertile [17:57] schestowitz I was on a plane at the time it happened [17:58] CrystalMath fujisan: i would prefer it if far less people had babies, but i don't really care if it's 0 [17:58] MinceR i would prefer it as well [17:58] CrystalMath if it's not 0, i can die and there will be others like me [17:58] schestowitz 0 is too far [17:58] CrystalMath if it is zero, i can die and it won't matter [17:58] schestowitz it means extinction [17:58] fujisan depends on where lots of populations are also decreasing in Japan their is an adult virgin pandemic [17:58] CrystalMath i die anyway, and nothing matters [17:58] fujisan there* [17:59] schestowitz japan is deep in debt [17:59] schestowitz raising kids is expensive [17:59] schestowitz and it's overpopulated [17:59] fujisan CrystalMath: can you prove you're alive now? [17:59] schestowitz esp. the big cities [17:59] fujisan i refer to the simulation hypothesis [17:59] CrystalMath fujisan: yes [17:59] schestowitz raising kids in a shoebox called "home" is not too pleasant either [17:59] CrystalMath fujisan: that doesn't survive Occam's razor [17:59] schestowitz and pointless if yoy work 15 hours/day [17:59] MinceR life is possible inside a simulation [17:59] CrystalMath and if it is a simulation, it still doesn't matter [17:59] fujisan then you just think you're a live [17:59] fujisan alive* ● Dec 02 [18:00] CrystalMath because whatever is beyond the simulation also doesn't matter [18:00] CrystalMath and therefore the simulation doesn't matter [18:00] MinceR CrystalMath: some or all of your messages spread as electromagnetic waves and will likely survive you for a long time even if you die :> [18:00] CrystalMath MinceR: why does that matter? [18:00] MinceR \_()_/ [18:00] CrystalMath like those open IRC connections of people who died [18:01] CrystalMath what i see is that all that i am is inside this brain [18:01] CrystalMath and once this brain is smashed, what's inside is gone forever [18:02] schestowitz the channels turned to deep nihilist philosophy npw [18:02] schestowitz NihilismRights [18:02] MinceR even that is not guaranteed [18:02] MinceR after all, we could be living in a simulation that saves past states (partially or entirely) [18:02] CrystalMath MinceR: it pretty much is, humans are nothing more than animals, which are nothing more than machines [18:02] CrystalMath i think the simulation hypothesis is ridiculous, tbh [18:02] CrystalMath why would it save past states? [18:03] CrystalMath does it save all animals? [18:03] MinceR to annoy you, obviously [18:03] CrystalMath all AI computer programs? [18:03] CrystalMath all minerals? [18:03] CrystalMath where do you draw the line? [18:03] MinceR i don't [18:03] MinceR it is not up to me [18:03] CrystalMath well i haven't seen any god so i'm not gonna worry about any of those [18:04] CrystalMath based on what i see, all that i am is this pile of neurons [18:04] schestowitz water [18:04] CrystalMath and it's just as worthless as everything else in the universe [18:04] CrystalMath it has no value [18:04] schestowitz 80% water [18:04] schestowitz with 'stabiliser' :-) [18:04] schestowitz like calcium [18:05] schestowitz animals are more 'watery' than trees [18:05] schestowitz and live shorter [18:05] schestowitz sometimes like 100 times shorter [18:05] schestowitz (since we're into nihilism) [18:11] DaemonFC[m] Seems like something has changed at Walmart. [18:11] DaemonFC[m] Most of the groceries seem to be coded as qualifying for the employee discount now. [18:12] DaemonFC[m] Well, that's an extra $30 or $35 a month in our pockets. Not going to complain. [18:19] schestowitz are they making same turnover? [18:19] schestowitz afaik, the expensive items don't sell well anymore [18:19] schestowitz not to say people buy the cheapest [18:19] schestowitz but fewer pay for "prrmium" items [18:19] schestowitz now, the question is, how much can the Waltons benefit from small grocers collapsing? [18:19] fujisan schestowitz: how much longer is capitalism feasible? [18:20] schestowitz here in the UK we have Walmart as ASDA and Sainsburys [18:20] fujisan you're in the UK? [18:20] schestowitz when the first lockdown started they shut one near us [18:20] schestowitz a Sainsburys [18:20] fujisan we are practically neighbors then [18:20] schestowitz so I figure they don't do too well either [18:20] schestowitz earlier on today, a few hours ago, we went to a Walmart UK [18:20] schestowitz and it was only us there, maybe one more person [18:20] fujisan we dont have WalMarts here [18:20] fujisan are we missing something? [18:21] schestowitz they buy chains [18:21] schestowitz so that they seem "local" [18:21] schestowitz you might want to check if they bought some dutch names [18:21] schestowitz they bought too massive chains here, not use [18:21] schestowitz german: lidl, aldi [18:21] schestowitz british; tesco, morrisons [18:21] schestowitz us: sainsbury, asda (not walmart) [18:22] schestowitz and those alone probably add us to like more than 90% of total revenue [18:23] CrystalMath lidl and aldi are anagrams [18:23] CrystalMath wait, no [18:23] CrystalMath i just thought they are for a second :P [18:23] CrystalMath there's an a/l discrepancy [18:23] CrystalMath let's just call it dill [18:25] DaemonFC[m] Most insurance covers it, Medicare covers it, many health departments give them out for free. [18:25] schestowitz di is just discount [18:25] schestowitz the rest are names [18:25] psydroid WalMart is apparently an investor in JingDong (jd.com), which is planning to start operations in the Netherlands [18:25] DaemonFC[m] I only get name brand stuff when it's a dented can for half price or something. [18:30] DaemonFC[m] Kroger is dropping all of those other fake store names. [18:31] DaemonFC[m] They bought a bunch of local grocery stores and had hundreds of names. They're converting the signage now, like 20 years later. [18:33] *titanbiscuit (~tbisk@104.200.131.166) has joined #techrights [18:34] schestowitz "who are /his/ customers?" https://www.editorials360.com/2020/11/30/greg-kroah-hartman-dont-make-customers-mad/ [18:34] schestowitz micosoft [18:34] schestowitz IBM [18:34] schestowitz SUSE [18:34] schestowitz Linux fed [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Operation timed out after 10000 milliseconds with 0 out of 0 bytes received ( status 0 @ https://www.editorials360.com/2020/11/30/greg-kroah-hartman-dont-make-customers-mad/ ) [18:35] schestowitz f'ed rather [18:39] DaemonFC[m] https://patch.com/illinois/libertyville/eric-rinehart-sworn-new-lake-county-state-s-attorney [18:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Eric Rinehart Sworn In As The New Lake County State's Attorney | Libertyville, IL Patch [18:39] DaemonFC[m] There was a lot of money behind the incumbent so this was a major victory for Rinehart. 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[18:58] DaemonFC[m] Can't bake bread with it. ● Dec 02 [19:17] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [19:43] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: when life gives you wheat, make flour [19:43] schestowitz when live gives you shit, make flower [19:43] schestowitz *life [19:53] MinceR if life gives you demons, make demonade(tm) ● Dec 02 [20:02] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:18] schestowitz just (m) [20:18] schestowitz DaemonFC[m] [20:49] *Sajesajama (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights ● Dec 02 [21:00] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705702.jpg [21:07] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:15] schestowitz " [21:15] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705580.png [21:15] schestowitz Panic buying by consumers here in the U.S. (and [21:15] schestowitz other locales, from what I hear) led to a severe [21:15] schestowitz shortage of disinfecting sprays, disinfecting wipes, [21:15] schestowitz rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizer, toilet paper, paper [21:15] schestowitz towels, and many food products as people bought [21:15] schestowitz up all they could should they be required to shelter- [21:15] schestowitz in-place for an extended period of time, due to the [21:15] schestowitz pandemic. For a period of time, much of the store [21:15] schestowitz shelves were empty, as demand far outpaced [21:15] schestowitz supply, at least until the supply chain caught up with [21:15] schestowitz the demand. Even now, some items are [21:15] schestowitz exceptionally difficult to find on store shelves, such [21:15] schestowitz as disinfecting sprays and wipes. [21:15] schestowitz " [21:32] *fujisan has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) ● Dec 02 [22:30] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20072261 [22:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4774539) [22:31] DaemonFC[m] I drove past a pretty bad car accident this morning. [22:31] DaemonFC[m] Before the emergency services got out there. [22:31] DaemonFC[m] Someone's car flipped and it didn't look like they could have lived. [22:31] DaemonFC[m] Drove over pieces of their car. [22:34] schestowitz driving is still dangerous [22:34] schestowitz maybe more so with "Smart" cars [22:34] schestowitz I stopped driving eyars ago [22:34] schestowitz we're a walking distance from everything anyway [22:37] DaemonFC[m] The fake and corrupt CDC has cut the recommended quarantine time down to just a week for COVID-19 [22:38] DaemonFC[m] Also said that healthcare workers who are asymptomatic can keep working with it if their leave would place burden on their employer. [22:38] DaemonFC[m] +2,297 so far today. [22:38] DaemonFC[m] And over 450 of those are in just two states. [22:38] DaemonFC[m] Illinois and Pennsylvania. [22:38] DaemonFC[m] 266 dead in Illinois. [22:39] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:40] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705807.png [22:43] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: the gym reopened today [22:43] schestowitz hardly anyone there [22:43] schestowitz same for the pool, sauna [22:43] schestowitz almost zero people [22:43] schestowitz prior to lockdown loads in there [22:43] schestowitz mostly couples [22:43] schestowitz who cannot travel abroad or out of town [22:43] schestowitz that weeded them out [22:49] CrystalMath https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/20/portuguese-court-rules-pcr-tests-unreliable-quarantines-unlawful/ [22:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-off-guardian.org | Portuguese Court Rules PCR Tests Unreliable & Quarantines Unlawful OffGuardian [22:49] CrystalMath the media did not write about this [22:49] CrystalMath the case against the media is huge already [22:50] CrystalMath i think 99% of all media companies need to be punished severely for everything they did in the past 10 years [22:50] schestowitz There are issues with OffGuardian [22:50] schestowitz I followed it over RSS for a while [22:50] schestowitz but too many strikes [22:50] schestowitz and red flags [22:50] schestowitz I deleted it [22:51] schestowitz if it wasn't dodgy to begin it, it became just that [22:51] schestowitz lies and stuff [22:51] schestowitz and then they moved to another host [22:51] schestowitz then it got even worse [22:51] CrystalMath they link to the source ruling [22:51] search_social basically there are two news sources [22:51] search_social cnn and breitbart [22:51] CrystalMath i can ask a portuguese-speaking friend to verify [22:51] search_social there's never been a news source that writes independently [22:52] search_social glenn greenwald got kicked out of his own paper cuz he wasn't close enough to cnn [22:52] CrystalMath the media blackout over this news is because they can't figure out how to trick people into thinking they don't actually have the rights they do have [22:53] CrystalMath i think human rights matter even in the event of an alien invasion [22:53] CrystalMath let alone something that hasn't even killed a billion [22:53] CrystalMath but even if something were to kill everybody, there must still be civil rights [22:54] CrystalMath until the last person dies [22:54] CrystalMath then they become moot :P ● Dec 02 [23:57] *Sajesajama has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:58] *Sajesajama (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights