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[00:01]	ulf	with my distro, not only will a 512MiB raspi suffice to run all free software, it will suffice to develop all software from source too
[00:01]	ulf	that's very important for me
[00:01]	MinceR	your distro won't run all free software
[00:02]	ulf	and another reason, why i hate the GNU toolchain, because it takes hours to compile, test and see fail again and again and again
[00:02]	ulf	MinceR: there is far less "free" software remaining than you might be aware of
[00:02]	MinceR	suuuuuure
[00:02]	MinceR	and your distro will enforce that, just like FSF-endorsed OS-es do
[00:02]	ulf	enforce what?
[00:03]	MinceR	their number one requirement of endorsement is to make it difficult to install software they've deemed to be nonfree
[00:03]	TR News	Emmabunts 1.02 Brings Debian Bullseye 11.4 Goodies, Improves UEFI/Secure Boot Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167935
[00:03]	TR Bot	 Emmabunts 1.02 Brings Debian Bullseye 11.4 Goodies, Improves UEFI/Secure Boot Support | Tux Machines
[00:03]	MinceR	locking out software such as runit, on the other hand, is not a problem to them
[00:03]	ulf	what an irony, GNOME is blacklisted, and i hope for the GNU toolchain will follow soon
[00:03]	MinceR	neither is pretending that the biggest NSA backdoor is free software
[00:04]	ulf	although, i do not lock it out, it was GNOME and GNU who locked me out
[00:05]	ulf	i consider it a badge of honor, collecting bans on libera and wherever else they're spreading their lies
[00:06]	phanes	lol
[00:06]	phanes	its pretty easy to get banned there
[00:06]	phanes	they actually pay someone to stare at their logs looking for my alts
[00:06]	MinceR	lol
[00:07]	phanes	im half a dozen people on there right now
[00:08]	MinceR	illibera staff taught me to avoid them long before illibera even existed
[00:08]	phanes	yeah same
[00:08]	phanes	christian fuchs is one of the worst things to happen to that place
[00:09]	phanes	not because of who is personally, which is enough on its own, but because of what can happen under his watch
[00:09]	TR News	Severity 9.8 out of 10. "The affected product may allow an attacker to retrieve passwords in cleartext due to a weak hashing algorithm." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-238-03
[00:09]	TR Bot	 Delta Electronics DIAEnergie (Update C) | CISA
[00:10]	TR News	"may allow an attacker to plant new files (such as DLLs) or replace existing executable files." DLLs... what platform uses DLL? 9.8 out of 10 in severity. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-081-01
[00:10]	TR Bot	 Delta Electronics DIAEnergie (Update C) | CISA
[00:11]	DaemonFC	You really don't want to park on the street in this city.
[00:11]	MinceR	i don't want to park in budapest
[00:11]	DaemonFC	Drunks smash into parked cars all the time and then flee quickly.
[00:11]	TR News	view
[00:12]	TR News	Kenyas Threat to Ban Facebook Could Backfire | WIRED https://www.wired.com/story/kenya-facebook-elections-hate-speech-ban/ Source: wired | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.wired.com/story/kenya-facebook-elections-hate-speech-ban/
[00:12]	TR Bot	Threat to Ban Facebook Could Backfire | WIRED
[00:12]	DaemonFC	And that's if the cops don't write you a parking ticket. They like doing that. It snows and then you see about 50 people with a parking ticket on your way out that morning.
[00:12]	MinceR	when a tree was broken in a storm, it crushed the front of my car, i couldn't use it for ~half a year, the local government admitted their responsibility but never paid for the damages
[00:12]	MinceR	i hate this fucking excuse for a country
[00:13]	DaemonFC	How is it the government's fault a tree fell during a thunderstorm?
[00:13]	DaemonFC	That's sort of what trees do.
[00:13]	DaemonFC	Doesn't your comprehensive insurance cover that?
[00:14]	DaemonFC	I don't want to lose the car. The insurance company will have to write me a check eventually, but they're going to try to lowball it to where I'll never find a decent car to drive for what they pay on it.
[00:15]	DaemonFC	Then I get to deal with my spouse getting fired for not being able to get to work.
[00:16]	DaemonFC	Then if by some miracle, you find a car and he doesn't get fired for absences before you do, the insurance company will still punish you for having the tree land on your car.
[00:16]	DaemonFC	It was an Act of God, you say. Punish God.
[00:16]	DaemonFC	He's done worse things.
[00:16]	TR News	Theyve just done it again, less than a day later. http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/linux-today-zdnet/ Linux Today posting Webspam
[00:16]	TR Bot	 Weird Editorial Choices in Linux Today These Past Few Hours (Updated) | Techrights
[00:17]	MinceR	03 011326 < DaemonFC> How is it the government's fault a tree fell during a thunderstorm?
[00:17]	MinceR	the street belongs to them, it's their duty to keep it in order
[00:17]	DaemonFC	MinceR, I like "Frank" on F is for Family. He rants all the time. He said God used to go easier on people with kids, like having Polio take a couple back.
[00:17]	MinceR	which includes removing dead trees
[00:17]	DaemonFC	Sovereign Immunity
[00:17]	MinceR	my insurance covers it, but i have to pay more for it in the future
[00:17]	TR News	Go 1.19 Release Notes https://go.dev/doc/go1.19
[00:17]	TR Bot	 Go 1.19 Release Notes - The Go Programming Language
[00:17]	MinceR	fuck sovereign immunity
[00:17]	MinceR	fuck the state
[00:17]	MinceR	and especially fuck hungary
[00:17]	DaemonFC	The government can admit fault and still not have anything happen to it.
[00:18]	MinceR	that's probably true, since there's no rule of law in this shithole
[00:18]	MinceR	(then again, there's no rule of law anywhere)
[00:18]	DaemonFC	Oh no, that's how it works here too.
[00:18]	MinceR	that's because there's no rule of law in the USA either
[00:18]	MinceR	the rules apply to you, but they don't apply to your government
[00:18]	MinceR	and they don't apply to rich people
[00:18]	DaemonFC	Yep.
[00:18]	MinceR	this is one of those things humans love to boast about that they're incapable of
[00:18]	DaemonFC	Like the 30 day requirement to make a decision about your FOID Card.
[00:18]	DaemonFC	Then they take 18 months.
[00:19]	MinceR	"intelligence", and then the majority is more stupid than most lifeforms (and objects) on this planet
[00:19]	MinceR	"civilization", which apparently consists of empowering sociopaths, fucking everyone else, and just about everyone harming everyone else in whatever way they can, even if it doesn't even benefit them
[00:19]	MinceR	"rule of law", except for the state, or rich people
[00:20]	MinceR	i'm fucking done with this species
[00:21]	ulf	anyway, don't know yet, if the GNU debugger can be used with binaries emitted from tinycc compiler, probably not
[00:21]	ulf	just a random thought again
[00:22]	MinceR	probably can be
[00:22]	MinceR	though if you want debug symbols, they need to be in a format gdb can understand
[00:23]	TR News	Linux Mint 21 keeps the crown, but for how long? Cinnamon, MATE and XFCE review - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rnEo_rkamqQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/rnEo_rkamqQ
[00:23]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint 21 keeps the crown, but for how long? Cinnamon, MATE and XFCE review - Invidious
[00:23]	ulf	nope, tcc test.c && file a.out ... stripped
[00:23]	ulf	i'll have to live with it
[00:23]	MinceR	maybe you can tell tcc to include debug symbols
[00:23]	MinceR	it won't be terribly useful for a developer if it can't do tha
[00:23]	MinceR	t
[00:24]	phanes	"rule of law", except for the state, or rich people <-- have you tried just not being poor
[00:25]	ulf	oh, tcc -g report not stripped, stupid me...
[00:25]	ulf	have to test this
[00:25]	ulf	the last version of GDB i could salvage is gdb-7.12
[00:25]	ulf	any later contained c++
[00:28]	TR News	The GNU C Library version 2.36 is now available https://lwn.net/ml/libc-alpha/9174a0aa-cb9b-aafa-a4cd-e0ccdee65d98@redhat.com/
[00:28]	TR Bot	GNU C Library version 2.36 is now available [LWN.net]
[00:29]	TR News	Ubuntu Blog: Patterns to achieve database High Availability https://ubuntu.com//blog/database-high-availability
[00:29]	TR Bot	to achieve database High Availability | Ubuntu
[00:30]	MinceR	03 012459 < phanes> "rule of law", except for the state, or rich people <-- have you tried just not being poor
[00:30]	MinceR	you mean, have i tried just being born rich
[00:30]	MinceR	no, i haven't
[00:30]	phanes	i wasn't born rich
[00:31]	MinceR	and if i can choose, i will never again be born as a human, or near humans
[00:31]	MinceR	existing in a human body is also pure torture
[00:31]	MinceR	nothing fucking works in this piece of shit
[00:32]	phanes	i was given good enough genes to squander and still be fine.  i eat like 3000 calories a day, am largely sedentary and am still somehow in shape
[00:32]	MinceR	good for you
[00:32]	phanes	look im just saying
[00:32]	phanes	its not your circumstances 
[00:32]	phanes	its you
[00:33]	phanes	:D
[00:33]	MinceR	riiiiiight
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[00:37]	TR News	Who Is Collecting Data from Your Car? The Markup https://themarkup.org/the-breakdown/2022/07/27/who-is-collecting-data-from-your-car Source: themarkup | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//themarkup.org/the-breakdown/2022/07/27/who-is-collecting-data-from-your-car
[00:37]	TR Bot	 Who Is Collecting Data from Your Car? The Markup
[00:37]	ulf	finally, the raspi1 compatible toolchain and firmware compiled, linked, booted
[00:38]	TR News	Open source laptop PineBook Pro is shipping again Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167936
[00:38]	TR Bot	 Open source laptop PineBook Pro is shipping again | Tux Machines
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[00:38]	TR News	Videos: Linux Mint 21 and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167937
[00:38]	TR Bot	 Videos: Linux Mint 21 and More | Tux Machines
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[00:39]	matey	new theory (not entirely new)
[00:39]	TR News	Exploitable remotely https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-20-212-04
[00:39]	TR Bot	 Mitsubishi Electric Factory Automation Engineering Products (Update H) | CISA
[00:39]	matey	the fsf was basically an iron man suit for rms
[00:39]	matey	what he could do, he could do better with the fsf
[00:39]	matey	fighting for free software
[00:40]	TR News	"Successful exploitation of these vulnerabilities may cause a denial-of-service condition. " https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-049-02
[00:40]	TR Bot	 Mitsubishi Electric FA Engineering Software Products (Update F) | CISA
[00:40]	MinceR	and then he gave up
[00:40]	matey	he could have passed the suit on, not everyone can wear it
[00:40]	matey	he was conned, imo
[00:40]	matey	but yeah, hes not really fighting
[00:40]	matey	the suit has been taken out of his hands
[00:40]	matey	and it wont do any good in the hands of someone who isnt "suited" to it
[00:41]	MinceR	how do you con the founder of the free software movement that CLOSED WONTFIX and vendor lock-in respect the freedom of the users and their community?
[00:41]	matey	i dont know if oliva could have worn it. i think that was the idea
[00:41]	matey	certainly one of the ideas.
[00:41]	MinceR	did he forget the Free Software Definition? (he probably did...)
[00:41]	matey	i dont think stallman forgot the fsd
[00:41]	matey	i think he discovered it, like einstein discovered relativity
[00:41]	MinceR	then why did he say that cancerd is free software because it's under a free software license?
[00:41]	matey	and i think he didnt figure out all 5 parts of it
[00:41]	MinceR	he didn't discover enough of it
[00:41]	MinceR	yeah
[00:42]	matey	when we discovered atoms, that wasnt wrong
[00:42]	matey	but atoms are made of subatomic particles, we found out
[00:42]	matey	and i think the 4 freedoms are made of sub-four-freedom particles
[00:42]	matey	mostly though, i think the force that holds them together is the freedom to NOT run the software
[00:43]	matey	if you dont have that, the freedom to change the software cant keep up with corporations taking a big shit in your lap
[00:43]	matey	thats what happened
[00:43]	matey	a good scientist looks at the world and discerns rules
[00:43]	matey	the world before us contradicts the 4 freedoms
[00:43]	matey	there were 3-- freedom 0 was added not just because computers count from 0
[00:43]	matey	the original first freedom was freedom 1.
[00:44]	matey	now the first freedom is freedom 0, because the freedom to use the software for any purpose is foundational.
[00:44]	matey	they added 0 last.
[00:44]	TR News	Public Knowledge Commends FCC, NTIA for New Memorandum Improving Spectrum Resource Coordination - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-commends-fcc-ntia-for-new-memorandum-improving-spectrum-resource-coordination/ Source: publicknowledge |
[00:44]	TR Bot	 Public Knowledge Commends FCC, NTIA for New Memorandum Improving Spectrum Resource Coordination - Public Knowledge
[00:44]	matey	i dont care if the fifth freedom is freedom -1 (appropriate) or freedom 4
[00:44]	matey	i do care that i have the freedom to NOT run the software
[00:45]	TR News	# Perl Weekly Challenge 176: Permuted Multiples and Reversible Numbers http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/08/-perl-weekly-challenge-176-permuted-multiples-and-reversible-numbers.html
[00:45]	TR Bot	Perl Weekly Challenge 176: Permuted Multiples and Reversible Numbers | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
[00:45]	matey	this implies a reasonable level of modularity-- everything being tied to systemd goes against that freedom
[00:45]	matey	freedom 3 (share modified versions) is dependent on the freedom to not run the software
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[00:45]	matey	if you cant NOT run it, there is no changing it really
[00:45]	matey	they have what they want-- control
[00:45]	matey	the freedom to not be controlled should be so obvious, its implicit
[00:46]	TR News	Libre Arts - 8 audio editors for Linux that are not Audacity Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167938
[00:46]	TR Bot	 Libre Arts - 8 audio editors for Linux that are not Audacity | Tux Machines
[00:46]	matey	some idiot came along and shitconned rms into ignoring implicit freedoms and focusing on explicit ones
[00:46]	matey	oops.
[00:46]	matey	scalia had the same attitude towards the bill of rights
[00:46]	matey	he was a literalist
[00:46]	MinceR	has scalia ever cared about human rights?
[00:46]	matey	without the spirit of the law, the letter of the law kills
[00:46]	MinceR	wasn't he always a "republican"?
[00:46]	matey	scalia was a letter of the law guy
[00:46]	MinceR	so, no
[00:46]	TR News	Feren OS is a Linux distribution that is as lovely as it is easy to use Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167939
[00:46]	TR Bot	 Feren OS is a Linux distribution that is as lovely as it is easy to use | Tux Machines
[00:46]	matey	idk, he was shit on toast no matter what his leaning was
[00:47]	MinceR	just another concrete-headed fascist
[00:47]	matey	democrats all shit on the constitution when they renew the patriot act
[00:47]	matey	biden is democrat and takes credit for writing it. rumsfeld got it passed, hes a republican
[00:47]	matey	bipartisan fascism, or whatever it is by another name
[00:47]	TR News	"transformational leaders" = people who add vendor lock-in, call it "transformation" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/what-transformational-leaders-do-differently
[00:47]	TR Bot	 What transformational leaders do differently | The Enterprisers Project
[00:47]	MinceR	yeah
[00:48]	matey	without the freedom to not run the software, freedom 3 falls apart.
[00:48]	matey	without freedom 3, its hard to keep exact copies working while the rest changes.
[00:48]	matey	so theres freedom 2
[00:48]	matey	without 3 and 2, how are you going to study the software?
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[00:48]	TR News	7 stay interview questions to gauge employee satisfaction | The Enterprisers Project https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/stay-interview-questions Source: enterprisersproject
[00:48]	TR Bot	 7 'stay interview' questions to gauge employee satisfaction | The Enterprisers Project
[00:48]	matey	and without all of those, how can you dream of using it for any purpose?
[00:49]	matey	so really, its probably a little inaccurate but certainly not cynical to say 
[00:49]	matey	that the freedom to NOT run the software is the force that holds the other freedoms together
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[00:49]	TR Bot	 Nest with Fedora 2022: Thanks to our Sponsors! Fedora Community Blog
[00:49]	matey	and systemd goes against that (implicit) freedom
[00:49]	matey	which stallman unfortunately never discovered
[00:49]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/1524465647786381312-2048x1133.jpg
[00:49]	matey	it was hiding in plain sight all this time
[00:49]	matey	so no, i dont think he forgot the fsd
[00:49]	matey	i think he just didnt complete it
[00:50]	MinceR	he forgot even the parts he completed
[00:50]	matey	he outsourced them to the license
[00:50]	MinceR	his statement on the massive NSA backdoor flies right in the face of the FSD
[00:50]	matey	he thinks if the license promises 4 freedoms, you have 4 freedoms
[00:50]	matey	the idea that you can work around the license without violating it-- hes got the same logical issue as every scalia argument ever
[00:50]	TR News	Creating an Ansible controller config as code pipeline https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/creating-ansible-controller-config-code-pipeline Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/en/blog/creating-ansible-controller-config-code-pipeline
[00:50]	TR Bot	 Creating an Ansible controller config as code pipeline
[00:51]	matey	you very much can work around the license, and thats what open source and microsoft spent 20 years working on
[00:51]	matey	and they did it
[00:51]	matey	they can take control of gpl software
[00:51]	matey	just buy out the non-profit that maintains it, and voila
[00:51]	matey	create foundation-- give everything to foundation-- bribe foundation-- control the software.
[00:51]	matey	its not rocket science. its not a hollow moon.
[00:51]	matey	its just how corporations work.
[00:52]	matey	it even works against the fsf itself.
[00:52]	matey	theyve basically created a sort of dummy to put the rms suit onto
[00:52]	matey	like when they setup that tripod thing that let them into cerebro on xmen
[00:52]	matey	"welcome, professor"
[00:52]	TR News	"Only that you do not need to be good enough. Not a single one of us is, we all have gaps in our knowledge, we all have missing talents. Yet Mageia is still there, since over a decade. Why? Because, by bundling our very different skills and talents and by bundling our available time, Mageia became good as a whole." https://blog.mageia.org/en/2022/08/02/so-you-are-not-good-enough-to-contribute/
[00:52]	TR Bot	 So you are not good enough to contribute? | Mageia Blog (English)
[00:53]	matey	cerebro wasnt intended as a weapon
[00:53]	matey	but they weaponised open source and they used it against the fsf
[00:54]	ulf	i think it's a breakthrough, if "Free Software" development can be brought back onto where it belongs, cost-effective low-power systems
[00:54]	matey	heres what would have avoided that... in theory
[00:54]	matey	the fsf could have trained people to be more like rms
[00:54]	matey	they could have made stronger activists
[00:54]	matey	but that wasnt the fsf model
[00:54]	matey	the fsf model was to parrot things
[00:55]	TR News	[GIT PULL] printk for 5.20 - Petr Mladek https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YufsTLpighCI7qSf@alley/
[00:55]	TR Bot	 [GIT PULL] printk for 5.20 - Petr Mladek
[00:55]	matey	and they got parrots
[00:55]	matey	sure, you want some kind of integrity to exist between message and messenger
[00:55]	matey	they chose the parrot model
[00:55]	TR News	[GIT PULL] SPI updates for v5.20 - Mark Brown https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220801123832.C1E2EC433D6@smtp.kernel.org/
[00:55]	TR Bot	 [GIT PULL] SPI updates for v5.20 - Mark Brown
[00:55]	matey	if instead they had trained stronger activists
[00:55]	matey	something they were never equipped to do
[00:56]	matey	when open source stormed the castle there would have been a (rhetorical) reckoning
[00:56]	ulf	simple question, what good is any "free software" if it cannot be used nor developed on lower power embedded and cost-effective systems?
[00:56]	matey	there would have been a shitstorm,
[00:56]	matey	instead there was a whimper that lasted 2 years or more.
[00:56]	TR News	Fedora Family / Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167940
[00:56]	TR Bot	 Fedora Family / Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
[00:56]	matey	the whimper heard round the world
[00:56]	matey	of the fsf dying
[00:57]	ulf	with c++ removal, i crunched down the distfiles folder from more than 1TiB to a few GiB
[00:57]	ulf	which easily fits onto a microsd available for $5
[00:57]	matey	people will have to try to build their own fsf
[00:57]	matey	its not the easiest thing to do
[00:57]	TR News	Sparky [Linux] news 2022/07 https://sparkylinux.org/sparky-news-2022-07/
[00:57]	TR Bot	 Sparky news 2022/07 SparkyLinux
[00:58]	matey	everyone was trained on twinkies and fruit roll-ups
[00:58]	matey	and we have no stallmans left, including stallman
[00:59]	matey	free software wont cease to matter, as long as there are computers in our lives
[00:59]	matey	i dont think thats going to change soon
[00:59]	matey	but the fsf, as a platform for advocacy, is fucking worthless
[00:59]	matey	they dont stand for anything
[00:59]	TR News	Why WordPress Is a Good First Platform for Students https://thishosting.rocks/why-wordpress-is-a-good-first-platform-for-students/ Source: thishosting | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//thishosting.rocks/why-wordpress-is-a-good-first-platform-for-students/
[00:59]	TR Bot	 Why WordPress Is a Good First Platform for Students
[00:59]	matey	people who would advocate know its destroyed
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[00:59]	matey	roy wont admit it, but he does obviously see that advocates are pushed to do their thing at lieplanet
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[01:00]	matey	and lieplanet turns away anyone with something to say
[01:00]	ulf	show me at least one "free software" distribution which can be used AND fully developed 100% from source on a raspi zero type system
[01:00]	matey	and the result is pablum on a podium with a mic in front of it
[01:00]	matey	talking to no one
[01:00]	matey	about nothing
[01:01]	TR News	Godot Engine - Maintenance release: Godot 3.4.5 https://godotengine.org/article/maintenance-release-godot-3-4-5 Source: godotengine | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//godotengine.org/article/maintenance-release-godot-3-4-5
[01:01]	TR Bot	 Godot Engine - Maintenance release: Godot 3.4.5
[01:01]	matey	its painful to watch
[01:01]	matey	if the real thing is ever rebuilt, youll be able to see it
[01:01]	matey	people will believe in the idea again
[01:01]	matey	and you wont have to guess why
[01:02]	matey	but i have no faith in the fsf
[01:02]	matey	theyre traitors too now
[01:02]	matey	but not as bad as the ones who made it that way
[01:02]	matey	i mean they could be forgiven
[01:02]	matey	but maybe not trusted
[01:03]	matey	im speaking in broad terms of course, and exceptions dont mean the rule doesnt exist
[01:03]	matey	most rules have exceptions. even the crazy rules.
[01:03]	matey	even the zero tolerance ones arent really zero tolerance
[01:03]	matey	they always make exceptions for the right (special) people
[01:03]	TR News	Introducing multitasking to Arduino | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/02/introducing-multitasking-to-arduino/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/02/introducing-multitasking-to-arduino/
[01:04]	TR Bot	 Introducing multitasking to Arduino | Arduino Blog
[01:04]	matey	the codes of conduct are applied more unevenly than the rules that preceded them
[01:04]	matey	thats the true farce of course
[01:04]	matey	because they were pushed in on a theme of "we dont make exceptions even for the leaders"
[01:04]	TR News	YaST Development Report - Chapter 6 of 2022 | YaST https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/2022-08-02/yast-report-2022-6 Source: yast | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yast.opensuse.org/blog/2022-08-02/yast-report-2022-6
[01:04]	TR Bot	( status 503 @ https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/2022-08-02/yast-report-2022-6 )
[01:04]	matey	yes you do-- youre even more full of shit about good people
[01:04]	matey	about the best people
[01:05]	matey	what they really meant was theyd have cause to stoop lower and be more vicious
[01:05]	matey	but its no surprise that sounds better the way they put it
[01:06]	TR News	EasyOS 32-bit Dunfell-series version 4.3.1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167816#comment-34495
[01:06]	TR Bot	 EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.3 | Tux Machines
[01:07]	MinceR	03 020019 < ulf> show me at least one "free software" distribution which can be used AND fully developed 100% from source on a raspi zero type system
[01:07]	MinceR	i don't think such a thing exists
[01:07]	MinceR	or will exist in the near future
[01:08]	TR News	But this is a Microsoft Mono problem https://boilingsteam.com/porting-roblox-game-to-steam-find-the-cats/
[01:08]	TR Bot	 Porting a Roblox Game to Steam with Unity: the Case of "Find the Cats" - Boiling Steam
[01:08]	ulf	MinceR: certainly not with a toolchain from Mapple or the GNU/FSF one
[01:10]	TR News	FOSSlife Team promoting Microsoft, which attacks FOSS https://www.fosslife.org/get-started-typescript
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[01:11]	ulf	raspi1 arrived 2013 already, almost 10years ago
[01:11]	TR News	Transpeed P10 Android 10 Full HD projector features Allwinner H700 SoC https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/02/transpeed-p10-android-10-full-hd-projector-features-allwinner-h700-soc/
[01:11]	TR Bot	 Transpeed P10 Android 10 Full HD projector features Allwinner H700 SoC - CNX Software
[01:12]	ulf	FSF/GNU missed all chances, they haven't realized, what the potential was for "free software", if a raspi1 type system sufficed for all software development
[01:12]	TR News	[PATCH v8 00/31] Rust support - Miguel Ojeda https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220802015052.10452-1-ojeda@kernel.org/ Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220802015052.10452-1-ojeda@kernel.org/
[01:12]	TR Bot	 [PATCH v8 00/31] Rust support - Miguel Ojeda
[01:13]	ulf	instead, they blew up their toolchain, too since year 2013
[01:13]	TR News	[GIT PULL] Btrfs updates for 5.20 - David Sterba https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/cover.1659357652.git.dsterba@suse.com/ Source: suse | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/cover.1659357652.git.dsterba@suse.com/
[01:13]	TR Bot	 [GIT PULL] Btrfs updates for 5.20 - David Sterba
[01:13]	MinceR	they probably never cared much for it in the first place, considering that it relied on proprietary software to boot
[01:13]	MinceR	(iirc someone did make a lot of progress in making it boot with only free software, though)
[01:13]	TR News	[PATCH v2 00/10] x86/resctrl: Support for AMD QoS new features and bug fix - Babu Moger https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/165938717220.724959.10931629283087443782.stgit@bmoger-ubuntu/ Source: bmoger-ubuntu | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/165938717220.724959.10931629283087443782.stgit@bmoger-ubuntu/
[01:13]	TR Bot	 [PATCH v2 00/10] x86/resctrl: Support for AMD QoS new features and bug fix - Babu Moger
[01:15]	ulf	they didn't care for moving the entire development 100% from source onto such a system
[01:15]	TR News	"Most manufacturers of consumer-grade network routers (both Ethernet and Wi-Fi) brand their products as Gigabit Routers. At the very least, itll say Gigabit Ethernet. However, neither term necessarily means the router can fully exploit your gigabit internet connection." https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/gigabit-router.html
[01:15]	TR Bot	 Gigabit Router doesnt mean it can deliver gigabit internet speed | Ctrl blog
[01:15]	ulf	for this, they preferred proprieaty systems from Wintel, nowadays with 16cores and tons of RAM, to compile some "free" software such as webkit or libreoffice
[01:16]	ulf	GNOME
[01:16]	TR News	Spotlight on SIG Docs | Kubernetes https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/08/02/sig-docs-spotlight-2022/ Source: kubernetes | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//kubernetes.io/blog/2022/08/02/sig-docs-spotlight-2022/
[01:16]	TR Bot	 Spotlight on SIG Docs | Kubernetes
[01:18]	ulf	anyway, my toolchain and binaries are raspi1 compatible again, not armv7
[01:19]	ulf	and it's some certain mind-set and attitude, among GNU/FSF too
[01:19]	ulf	to offer a "free software" toolchain which hits OOM regularly with g++
[01:19]	ulf	haven't tried yet on a raspi with 256MiB RAM or 512MiB, never will
[01:22]	TR News	Update #2: Fourth time in a day. Linux Today probably gets paid to post this spam. http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/linux-today-zdnet/
[01:22]	TR Bot	 Weird Editorial Choices in Linux Today These Past Few Hours (Updatedx2) | Techrights
[01:26]	TR News	"This is the first part of a 3 part series of blog posts surrounding Kali usage on Raspberry Pi devices. This first post will cover enabling Full Disk Encryption (FDE) on a Raspberry Pi, part two will cover remotely connecting to it, and finally, part three will cover debugging issues we ran into while making these posts, so others can learn how to do so as well." https://www.kali.org/blog/secure-kali-raspberry-pi/
[01:26]	TR Bot	 Secure Kali Pi (2022) | Kali Linux Blog
[01:30]	TR News	How Does the Linux Kernel Work? The Linux Kernel Anatomy Explained Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167941
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[01:31]	TR News	Steinar H. Gunderson: AV1 live streaming: The bitrate difference https://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2022-08-02-23-11_av1_live_streaming_the_bitrate_difference.html
[01:31]	TR Bot	 Steinar H. Gunderson
[01:32]	TR News	Bicom 6.6.0 "PBXware" is out. Based on Gentoo. http://www.bicomsystems.com/products/pbxware/
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[01:37]	matey	one of several things roy deserves credit for pointing out 
[01:37]	matey	is that the fsf started its associate programme due to running out of his grants etc
[01:37]	matey	i dont know how true that is, its probably mostly true at a minimum
[01:38]	matey	but its plausble
[01:38]	matey	so first it was running mostly on grants, then shifted to donations
[01:38]	matey	then came corporate sponsors
[01:38]	matey	imo they should have been more about volunteers
[01:39]	matey	and less about money, though who knows if they could have kept a building, etc
[01:39]	matey	probably not
[01:39]	TR News	ICBM wants to dominate RasPi too https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RaspberryPi4
[01:39]	TR Bot	 Changes/RaspberryPi4 - Fedora Project Wiki
[01:39]	matey	every time they added something to the budget they became less independent
[01:39]	matey	most orgs wouldnt worry about that
[01:39]	matey	however, the same thing happens to most orgs
[01:40]	TR News	Chrome 104... new bugs https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2022/08/stable-channel-update-for-desktop.html
[01:40]	TR Bot	 Chrome Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop
[01:40]	matey	over time they get bought out. then they sell out.
[01:40]	matey	stallman never ran the org, he ran the movement
[01:40]	TR News	Tails 5.3.1 is out Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167942
[01:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: well put
[01:40]	matey	he didnt know how orgs work-- so he left that to people who do
[01:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	he did grassroots
[01:40]	TR Bot	 Tails 5.3.1 is out | Tux Machines
[01:40]	matey	problem is orgs work the way they work
[01:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	but when the grants run low the people he hired want to secure a salary
[01:41]	matey	and sooner or later, they will take over
[01:41]	TR News	GNU Octave 7.2 Released! Heres PPA for Ubuntu 22.04 | 20.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167943
[01:41]	TR Bot	 GNU Octave 7.2 Released! Heres PPA for Ubuntu 22.04 | 20.04 | Tux Machines
[01:41]	matey	now you have an org past its prime and a movement that is defined via an org past its prime
[01:41]	matey	and by past its prime i mean its entered the "i dont give a shit about anything other than marketing and fundraising" point of its existence
[01:41]	MinceR	more like an org that has become useless
[01:42]	matey	oh thats what im describing, yes
[01:42]	matey	its an org only good for what money can do
[01:42]	matey	and while money wasnt a terrible thing to have
[01:42]	matey	its a terrible thing for the free software movement to be based on
[01:42]	TR News	"All hardware operations reply to commands given through the OS. Being an open software, Linux makes a top choice for eCommerce due to its wide range of advantages." https://www.unixmen.com/linux-or-windows-for-ecommerce/
[01:42]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/linux-or-windows-for-ecommerce/ )
[01:42]	matey	for reasons you can plainly see
[01:42]	matey	perhaps im misattributing all that. im not, but its worth mentioning.
[01:43]	matey	its the f$f, not the fsf
[01:43]	matey	this isnt even unfair
[01:43]	matey	this is what orgs that are 35+ DO.
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[01:43]	matey	as long as you serve a purpose that for-profits can hook into, youre good.
[01:43]	matey	they can hook into things that provide relief to the homeless for example
[01:44]	matey	it helps their image and the homelessness problem doesnt actually get solved
[01:44]	matey	so everyone is happy
[01:44]	matey	except the homeless of course
[01:44]	matey	but who gives a shit about them anyway
[01:44]	matey	but that model doesnt work with free software
[01:44]	matey	its about actually standing up to corporations
[01:44]	matey	once it hooks into donations, its going to get paid to soften on that
[01:45]	matey	when free software is softened and more about money-- thats not free software
[01:45]	matey	they already coined a term for what that is in 1998
[01:45]	matey	so the fsfs days were numbered
[01:45]	matey	and it was destined to become osi ii
[01:45]	matey	or osiii if you like
[01:45]	TR News	OpenChrome, An Open Source Driver, Is Not Yet Ready To Be https://www.opensourceforu.com/2022/08/openchrome-an-open-source-driver-is-not-yet-ready-to-be-integrated-into-linux-5-20/
[01:45]	TR Bot	 OpenChrome, An Open Source Driver, Is Not Yet Ready To Be
[01:46]	matey	a wilier stallman would have seen this coming, built an ejector seat into his office, and left with a huge stunt
[01:46]	matey	instead hes a hostage
[01:46]	matey	he didnt plan for this
[01:46]	matey	i dont blame him for this
[01:46]	matey	ive made that clear enough
[01:46]	matey	i blame the people who actually did this
[01:46]	matey	but its still true, a perfect and infallible stallman (even the one we had is pretty amazing) would have seen this coming
[01:47]	matey	but i already said-- he doesnt understand orgs. he had other people worry about that
[01:47]	TR News	IDG at it again... sponsored by Microsoft. 5 terrible reasons angry nerds say I should switch to Linux | PCWorld https://www.pcworld.com/article/820164/5-reasons-angry-nerds-switch-linux.html Source: pcworld
[01:47]	TR Bot	terrible reasons angry nerds say I should switch to Linux | PCWorld
[01:47]	matey	delegeting: good. not understanding the nature of the beast that would take over the movement: not as good
[01:47]	matey	im not any better, i only see this now... i SORT of saw it coming
[01:47]	matey	but not the same way he would have needed to to prevent it
[01:48]	matey	they wont let him out of their manipulation
[01:48]	matey	hes going to remain a hostage
[01:48]	matey	like assange in the embassy
[01:49]	matey	granted he was taking refuge there, it was only incidentally a prison for him
[01:49]	matey	much nicer than the one hes in now
[01:49]	matey	the embassy wasnt the real prison, only the world outside it was
[01:49]	matey	but that certainly suffices
[01:50]	TR News	Just that same promotional FUD from Atlas VPN, using the wrong yardstick and a fake "model" of security https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/new-linux-malware-surges/
[01:50]	TR Bot	Linux Malware Surges, Surpassing Android | eSecurityPlanet
[01:50]	matey	like torvalds, hes more "diplomatic" now
[01:50]	TR News	Proper GNU/Linux lets you do far more, plus it does not spy on you https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/opinion/why-i-use-a-chromebook/
[01:50]	TR Bot	 Why I use a Chromebook
[01:50]	matey	he says what he knows he can say. its a lot less than he used to say
[01:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	now?
[01:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	wait
[01:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	why NOW?
[01:51]	matey	go ahead
[01:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe more so now?
[01:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	after they bullie him
[01:51]	matey	i dont understand the question
[01:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	*cry)bullied 
[01:51]	matey	thats my point
[01:51]	matey	if i get what youre saying
[01:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	ok
[01:51]	matey	torvalds wasnt more "diplomatic" until they made a hostage out of him
[01:51]	matey	torvalds was a great guy, but he was better than the new shills
[01:51]	matey	wasnt ^
[01:52]	matey	wasnt a great guy, but WAS better than those who would replace him
[01:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a "Reards" system
[01:52]	matey	they made him more diplomatic
[01:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	be more like this, get bullied less
[01:52]	matey	exctly
[01:52]	matey	same with stallman, thats how i predicted it
[01:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	this = [add your conformist attributes here]
[01:52]	matey	i knew it would follow the same trajectory as torvalds
[01:52]	matey	and torvalds came back too
[01:53]	matey	but the real torvalds never did
[01:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	wow, 1:52am, managed to catch up with feeds
[01:53]	matey	he will always be torvalds-lite
[01:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	recovering from that massive 6-hour outage and still resorring the raspi
[01:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	it'll take another half day
[01:53]	matey	dont you use it only for serving gemini
[01:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	yes
[01:53]	matey	i mean ifps
[01:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's back online since yesterday evening
[01:54]	matey	ipfs
[01:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	but missing some months' of poages, I copy theem across now from backup
[01:54]	matey	ok
[01:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	ipfs also
[01:54]	DaemonFC	Okay, I gave the bathroom its once every 3 month chemical nuking.
[01:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	but it's les urgent
[01:55]	DaemonFC	I have a serious, serious, mold problem in there unless I use that microban stuff.
[01:55]	matey	yeah i guess reimaging is harder for a pi, and i/o makes syncing a bitch
[01:55]	DaemonFC	It stops it from growing for a few months.
[01:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	the only 'good' thing about the outage was, they finally find the source of this past issue and fixed it... had to dig up a giant hold and replace cable
[01:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	*hole
[01:55]	matey	nice
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[01:56]	matey	so the fsf model was parrot what we say
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[01:56]	matey	and they did
[01:56]	matey	then they beat a new personality into stallman
[01:56]	matey	nice job, lads
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[01:56]	matey	now the fsf model is bow to lieplanet and stallman wont say shit
[01:56]	matey	and the parrots, the loyalists, also wont say shit
[01:56]	matey	but the parrotmaster is dead 
[01:57]	matey	i should point out, stallman didnt intentionally create an army of parrots. hes been very clear he didnt want even one!
[01:57]	matey	please dont give me a parrot
[01:57]	matey	but he got thousands
[01:58]	matey	he should have created an army of replacement stallmans
[01:58]	matey	easier said then done. parrots are easy.
[01:58]	matey	almost as easy as snakes (far side reference: man, these are a cinch!)
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[02:00]	matey	one the innocent but misguided assumptions stallman worked with was thinking that people would start thinking for themselves if he gave them the right ideas
[02:00]	matey	then for years, people either argued with him or climbed over each other to agree
[02:00]	matey	its better than nothing, look at how far we got
[02:01]	matey	but its not sustainable
[02:01]	matey	and what we have in its place isnt better
[02:01]	matey	its complete bullshit
[02:01]	matey	but theoretically it solves every problem they thought free software had
[02:01]	matey	most of which has fuck all to do with free software
[02:02]	matey	so hooray for that
[02:02]	matey	if truth parrots dont a sustainable movement make, the bullshit pigs arent an upgrade
[02:03]	matey	they rode in on "any problem is fixable if you ram a solution down peoples throats"
[02:03]	matey	basically they came in like systemd
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[02:04]	matey	even ibm was there
[02:04]	matey	in red hat form
[02:05]	matey	any SUCCESSFUL effort to build another fsf
[02:05]	matey	will have to consider these things
[02:05]	matey	otherwise theyre just building another osi
[02:05]	MinceR	03 025050 < techrights-news> Proper GNU/Linux lets you do far more, plus it does not spy on you https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/opinion/why-i-use-a-chromebook/
[02:05]	TR Bot	 Why I use a Chromebook
[02:06]	MinceR	afaik you can run GNU/Linux on those
[02:06]	MinceR	and they aren't burdened with uefi
[02:06]	matey	what about systemd
[02:06]	matey	a lot of gnu/linux distros are x86 only
[02:07]	matey	and a lot of distros are systemd only
[02:07]	MinceR	ah yes, Torvalds Lite, the useless edition
[02:07]	matey	devuan i suppose, supports the pi for example
[02:07]	matey	i tried to run it on a pi and gave up
[02:07]	matey	it was probably my fault, though the docs didnt help
[02:07]	MinceR	no longer daring to tell anyone who submits shitty design implemented in a shitty way that their design is shitty, their implementation is shitty, and it's not getting merged
[02:07]	matey	i got debian running on it
[02:08]	MinceR	and so now you can consider yourself lucky if the damned kernel even boots at all
[02:08]	matey	i used that computer a handful of times
[02:08]	MinceR	03 030626 < matey> what about systemd
[02:08]	MinceR	no systemd needed, also not included in chrome OS, afaik
[02:08]	MinceR	and there are x86 chromebooks
[02:08]	ulf	it's shitty "free software" cannot easily be developed on cost-effective systems anymore
[02:08]	matey	/me nods
[02:08]	ulf	thanks to GNU toolchain
[02:09]	MinceR	maybe try SBCL then
[02:09]	matey	i made getting away from linux my first priority, and getting away from x86 my second priority
[02:09]	matey	how to do both at once i dont know
[02:09]	matey	i believe we can do both
[02:09]	MinceR	i wonder if my priorities even matter anymore
[02:09]	ulf	my frist priority, getting away from GNU toolchain
[02:09]	MinceR	i've got my ExpertBook unbricked and now if i hold the initramfs' hand _very_ tightly, i can get it to boot GNU/Linux
[02:10]	matey	my priorities are going okay. i have an extensible text editor like emacs, with only 46k of code
[02:10]	MinceR	dracut being practically undocumented isn't exactly helping
[02:10]	matey	its becoming extremely powerful
[02:10]	matey	but other than how ridiculously flexible it is, its modest as fuck 
[02:10]	matey	and most people would laugh at it if they tried it
[02:10]	matey	i use it every day and fucking love it
[02:11]	matey	 dracut being practically undocumented isn't exactly helping <- i already gave up on microsoft void
[02:11]	matey	but if someone forked it, i would understand. its got to be more ready for that than a lot of other options
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[02:12]	matey	i mean they start from that side, like gentoo starts from that side
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[02:12]	TR Bot	 Links 02/08/2022: Go 1.19, GNU Octave 7.2, and Tails 5.3.1 | Techrights
[02:12]	matey	credit where credit is due
[02:12]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167944
[02:12]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[02:13]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167945
[02:13]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[02:13]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167946
[02:13]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[02:14]	ulf	MinceR: linux kernel isn't written in LISP, GNU utilities aren't
[02:14]	ulf	what would i want with LISP? not using emacs.
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[02:15]	TR News	Linux Mint 21 XFCE Run Through - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VT4tY4eSgII | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/VT4tY4eSgII
[02:15]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint 21 XFCE Run Through - Invidious
[02:16]	TR News	"Debian builds minimal SD card images for these machines already, but I wanted to use the usual ext4-on-LVM-on-LUKS setup for GNU/Linux workstations. So I used Consfigurator to build a custom image." https://spwhitton.name//blog/entry/rpi4-consfigurator/
[02:16]	TR Bot	 Setting up a single-board desktop replacement with Consfigurator
[02:17]	ulf	GNU/FSF paid little to no attention to what's important, with free software, which is developing it must be fun, efficient, cost-effective
[02:18]	ulf	a big corporation doesn't bother with an electricity bill of thousands of cash
[02:18]	ulf	students and independent developers however do
[02:18]	matey	i've got my ExpertBook unbricked and now if i hold the initramfs' hand _very_ tightly, i can get it to boot GNU/Linux
[02:19]	matey	there must a reason youre putting that much effort into that particular machine, so what it is
[02:19]	matey	is it
[02:20]	DaemonFC	I finally got Mandy to agree to eat liver and onions tomorrow.
[02:22]	TR News	UEFI Firmware Vulnerable to Malware Implants; Worse Than Legacy BIOS Ever Was | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/02/uefi-malware-implants/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/02/uefi-malware-implants/
[02:22]	TR Bot	 UEFI Firmware Vulnerable to Malware Implants; Worse Than Legacy BIOS Ever Was | Techrights
[02:28]	Ariadne	i replaced my entire usecase for wordpress with 3 lines of shell scripting
[02:28]	Ariadne	specifically, these three lines: https://gitea.treehouse.systems/ariadne/ariadne.space/src/branch/main/.woodpecker.yml#L15-L17
[02:28]	TR Bot	 ariadne.space/.woodpecker.yml at main - ariadne.space - Treehouse Gitea
[02:28]	matey	 i replaced my entire usecase for wordpress with 3 lines of shell scripting <- more with less
[02:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	you can make it one line
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	and it would still look good
[02:29]	matey	3 lines is easier to edit
[02:29]	matey	and just as good
[02:29]	MinceR	03 031421 < ulf> MinceR: linux kernel isn't written in LISP, GNU utilities aren't
[02:29]	MinceR	i thought you didn't want to use those?
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	Ariadne: alpine has some gemini servers
[02:29]	MinceR	03 031907 < matey> there must a reason youre putting that much effort into that particular machine, so what it is
[02:29]	matey	like she cares about gemini
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	apk add .. server
[02:29]	MinceR	it's very light and very expensive
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	same for clients, I saw at least two, installed one
[02:29]	MinceR	also, the most powerful machine i have in a non-gaming role
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: she does
[02:30]	matey	/me nods
[02:30]	matey	no, she thinks gemini is a joke, unless she changed her mind
[02:30]	matey	which is fine either way, just saying
[02:30]	MinceR	very light means i can keep it on my person the most, thus safeguarding its physical security the most
[02:30]	matey	i think gemini is awesome but its not her sort of thing
[02:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	we'll make tuxmachines serve over gemini too, but lots of pages
[02:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	you just export to gmi, just like html, into the /home/gemini/gemini directory
[02:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then sort out the index
[02:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the workflow
[02:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	two very major incidents today delayed progress
[02:31]	matey	incidentally, compared to wordpress, 3 lines of script essentially IS a one-liner
[02:32]	matey	its the equivalent
[02:32]	ulf	MinceR: yes, i want to remove as many GNU as possible, GNU toolchain in particular
[02:33]	ulf	their compiler
[02:33]	Ariadne	why
[02:34]	ulf	moment, MinceR, if you know any other kernel which doens't require a GNU or Mapple compiler and supports relevant hardware
[02:34]	ulf	Ariadne: it's not free software, and it's bad quality
[02:34]	matey	<MinceR> very light means i can keep it on my person the most, thus safeguarding its physical security the most <- very true
[02:34]	Ariadne	ulf: i'm with you on the quality, but "not free software" ?
[02:34]	matey	i had a slim plastic notebook like that
[02:34]	TR News	"Thanks to Garrett enabling Microsoft to avoid the coming lawsuits that would have happened had Security Theater Boot stopped a Windows 8 laptop from allowing Linux to boot up, today if a person tries to boot a Linux kernel" http://techrights.org/2022/08/02/uefi-malware-implants/
[02:34]	TR Bot	 UEFI Firmware Vulnerable to Malware Implants; Worse Than Legacy BIOS Ever Was | Techrights
[02:35]	matey	almost flimsy, but other than the storage (one of those ssd modules) i had no complaints
[02:35]	matey	id probably still have that, but reasons
[02:35]	matey	at one point i got rid of most (not all) of my hardware
[02:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	we might add an array to the pi
[02:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	had to recuilt twice in 18 months, microsd cards are toys
[02:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	even the big brand names
[02:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	*ebuild
[02:36]	ulf	Ariadne: there isn't any "freedom of choice" with LLVM or GCC, one criteria, it's vendor-locked and anti-competitive malice
[02:36]	matey	ive moved internationally before, when i do i throw out most of my stuff (i give away what i can)
[02:37]	Ariadne	ulf: *shrug* alpine maintains its own gcc branches
[02:37]	TR News	Part 2: How to automate graphics production with Inkscape - Mirn Duffy https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2022/08/02/part-2-how-to-automate-graphics-production-with-inkscape/ Source: linuxgrrl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.linuxgrrl.com/2022/08/02/part-2-how-to-automate-graphics-production-with-inkscape/
[02:37]	TR Bot	 Part 2: How to automate graphics production with Inkscape Mirn Duffy
[02:37]	matey	i dont own much that i ever spent much money on, roy and i have similar spending habits when it comes to equipment
[02:37]	matey	only he gets into details. but its similar
[02:37]	ulf	Ariadne: simple question. Is there any alternative to llvm or gcc which could compile alpine linux?
[02:37]	matey	i actually have a real server. but i didnt spent much on it
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[02:38]	matey	i used to have an old compaq server with hw raid, one of the famous but ancient ones
[02:38]	matey	i ran debian on it
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[02:38]	TR News	Reading typewriter key presses with an Arduino | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/03/reading-typewriter-key-presses-with-an-arduino/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/03/reading-typewriter-key-presses-with-an-arduino/
[02:38]	TR Bot	 Reading typewriter key presses with an Arduino | Arduino Blog
[02:38]	matey	and used it as a table for a coffee machine
[02:38]	Ariadne	ulf: probably not, but we dont source gcc from FSF
[02:38]	matey	but it weight half what i do, and i didnt keep it forever
[02:38]	TR News	Steam :: Steam Deck :: Steam Deck Client Update and SteamOS 3.3 https://steamcommunity.com/games/1675200/announcements/detail/3401924854795478415 Source: steamcommunity | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//steamcommunity.com/games/1675200/announcements/detail/3401924854795478415
[02:38]	TR Bot	 Steam :: Steam Deck :: Steam Deck Client Update and SteamOS 3.3
[02:39]	matey	i actually have a real server <- i was only looking for a desktop. but it was cheap and didnt weigh as much as the old one
[02:39]	matey	i used it as a search engine for trisquel source code (github related)
[02:40]	matey	i could have used a laptop but it would have cost more 
[02:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	I might make a 3-drive array on the pi
[02:45]	matey	 :)
[02:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	from a security POV, risky
[02:45]	matey	why is that bad security
[02:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	open ssh port, access to my backups via USB
[02:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	usually I disconnect my drives when not used
[02:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	but I'm tired of rebuilding the pi
[02:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	3rd time in 20 months
[02:46]	Ariadne	have you considered not using SD cards
[02:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	take s a long time with about 150k files and dirs on it
[02:46]	Ariadne	they arent very reliable
[02:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	Ariadne: yes
[02:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	this was the last straw
[02:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	not even sure if the outsage caused it
[02:47]	Ariadne	that was literally an FAQ entry for pleroma
[02:47]	matey	there must be a solution to this that doesnt 
[02:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	I also took it off wifi, it uses ethernet now
[02:47]	matey	/me thinks of it, but roy wouldnt do it anyway
[02:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	but for other reasons
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: I'm already doing it
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	it runs on USB now
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	and is connected to an external USB drive
[02:48]	matey	yeah but the one with your backups
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[02:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's 3 am here and I cleanedmy rss feeds, so I have time to play wittth it
[02:48]	matey	and youre using synerrrrrgy again
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	yeah
[02:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	always
[02:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	actually, on this machine it is barrier
[02:49]	matey	/me thinks it should be called synerrrrrrgy
[02:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	synergy is for older machines I connect ti
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[02:49]	matey	to err is human. to errrrrrrrrr synergy
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[02:51]	matey	but no one hates synergy more than herr doctor
[02:51]	matey	because it requires c++++++++++++++++++
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[02:51]	matey	which funnily enough was the working title before they named it java
[02:52]	matey	it went like this: "d++?" "no, that sounds like a bad grade"
[02:53]	matey	"e++? f++? ... r++? s++? T++?" "wait"
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[02:53]	matey	"tea plus plus?"
[02:53]	matey	"when tea isnt enough, i drink coffee..."
[02:53]	matey	everyone: "JAVA!"
[02:53]	matey	and thats how they completely made up the story about how java got its name
[02:53]	matey	and by they, i mean me
[02:54]	matey	but also it was aliens
[02:55]	MinceR	03 035153 < matey> which funnily enough was the working title before they named it java
[02:55]	MinceR	that was Oak
[02:55]	matey	oakay
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[02:56]	matey	 but also it was alien <- aliens are the new explanation for everything, because "it was god" sounds so old fashioned
[02:56]	matey	aliens sound more technically plausible
[02:56]	matey	omnipotent being that created everything? stupid
[02:56]	matey	very powerful beings who are far away but share few of our values? that sounds like it could be a thing
[02:57]	matey	so it might not explain the universe itself, but everything else can be explained by aliens
[02:57]	matey	its pretty damned convenient
[02:57]	matey	where are my socks?
[02:57]	matey	aliens.
[02:57]	matey	"what if it was god?"
[02:57]	matey	"pfft! thats completely unscientific"
[02:57]	matey	but aliens are not just possible, theyre LIKELY
[02:57]	matey	STEPHEN HAWKING SAID SO
[02:58]	MinceR	https://sd.keepcalms.com/i-w600/i-m-not-saying-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpg
[02:58]	matey	so "aliens" is like "god" but you sound like less of an idiot
[02:58]	matey	only now you sound crazy...
[02:58]	MinceR	alien gods
[02:58]	matey	https://sd.keepcalms.com/i-w600/i-m-not-saying-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpg <- it was totally aliens
[02:59]	matey	<MinceR> alien gods
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[02:59]	matey	 <- or maybe just aliens with a religious bent
[02:59]	MinceR	https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/bf/93/dcbf935d28b946302dc84897d8f8cb09.gif
[02:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[02:59]	MinceR	or aliens that like to subjugate other people by making them believe they're gods
[02:59]	matey	i knew someone who dated this guy that got REALLY high on SOMETHING and burst into a nearby tent and said
[02:59]	matey	"FUCK ME, IM GOD!"
[02:59]	MinceR	lol
● Aug 03
[03:00]	matey	his transgressions did not go further than that. but thats definitely the sort of thing he would have been cancelled for if he was in the foss community
[03:00]	matey	but i think the whole "alien gods" thing is either a misunderstanding-- or the aliens having a good time, as it were
[03:00]	matey	"hehe, tell them we are their gods"
[03:00]	matey	OHHO HO, GOOD ONE!"
[03:01]	matey	"we demand a sacrifice!"
[03:01]	MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/HjAKZ.jpg
[03:01]	matey	aww, kitty knows the truth
[03:02]	matey	im not saying it was aliens, but it was OOH, LASER BEAM!
[03:02]	matey	this is why cats make terrible conspiracy theorists
[03:02]	matey	you can silence them with nothing but a laser keychain
[03:03]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ehL5DF6BqU
[03:03]	TR Bot	https://y.com.sb/watch?v=6ehL5DF6BqU
[03:03]	TR Bot	y.com.sb | Ancient Egyptian Laser Beams - Invidious
[03:03]	matey	well, silent except for the sound of paws flying at a wall at mach 2
[03:04]	matey	IT REALLY HAPPENS
[03:05]	matey	im not saying it was egyptians, but it was egyptians
[03:06]	matey	and this is how cats learned of the secret, because not only were they venerated, they were also privy to an endless number of ancient egyptian secrets-- including how to get whites brighter while colours stay fast (which they later taught to the ancient chinese)
[03:07]	matey	calgon is based on thousands of years of study of egyptian alchemy
[03:07]	matey	its original formula turned all cloth tyrian purple, but obviously it was altered to create the product people know today
[03:08]	matey	but the secret to calgon is that its basically the philosophers stone in powdered form
[03:09]	matey	its not just cleaning your clothes-- its making them immortal (for a while at least)
[03:11]	matey	many people who find this out wonder if they can just use calgon to become immortal
[03:11]	matey	and the answer is of course not, because look at all the shit they add to it
[03:12]	matey	tide pods on the other hand, will make you immortal if they dont kill you
[03:12]	matey	and they look delicious!
[03:13]	matey	but the therapeutic dose is pretty high, and it will probably kill you before it works
[03:14]	matey	some people think tide pods are a scam, because they only "work" on someone who could survive extensive tide pod poisoning in the first place
[03:14]	matey	ie someone who was already immortal
[03:14]	matey	but thats the kind of crude humour you should expect from alien gods
[03:14]	matey	seriously, theyre dicks
[03:16]		*MinceR uses Calgon to turn Earth into Tyrian
[03:16]		*MinceR uses Gravitium to leave the planet
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[03:22]	matey	/me always knew mincer was an alien god
[03:22]	matey	he has that disposition
[03:23]	matey	also he has a spaceship that looks like a colon and greater than sign
[03:23]	matey	but thanks to elon musk and jeff bezos you can order shit like that online and have it delivered now
[03:23]	MinceR	lol
[03:24]	matey	=================== :>   
[03:24]	matey	is that a black triangle? no, its just mincer
[03:24]	matey	trying to get to away from this stupid planet
[03:26]	matey	wait till i tell britney theres a third race of superbeings icke didnt tell her about
[03:26]	matey	"theres the hive mind and the reptilians"
[03:26]	matey	yes, but what about the cynical bastard aliens from planet x?
[03:26]	matey	"ive never heard of them"
[03:26]	TR News	Penn Engineers Create Chip That Can Process and Classify Nearly Two Billion Images per Second - Penn Engineering Blog https://blog.seas.upenn.edu/penn-engineers-create-chip-that-can-process-and-classify-nearly-two-billion-images-per-second/ Source: seas
[03:26]	matey	"they literally control the irc channel!"
[03:26]	TR Bot	 Penn Engineers Create Chip That Can Process and Classify Nearly Two Billion Images per Second - Penn Engineering Blog
[03:28]	TR News	Sweet research: UC chemist unlocks secrets of molten salts | University Of Cincinnati https://www.uc.edu/news/articles/2022/07/sweet-research--uc-chemist-unlocks-secrets-of-molten-salts.html Source: uc | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.uc.edu/news/articles/2022/07/sweet-research--uc-chemist-unlocks-secrets-of-molten-salts.html
[03:28]	TR Bot	 Sweet research: UC chemist unlocks secrets of molten salts | University Of Cincinnati
[03:28]	matey	/ne isnt saying ariadne is one of them
[03:28]	matey	but shes probably one of them
[03:29]	Ariadne	what?
[03:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	exactly
[03:30]	matey	mincer is actually a member of a superintelligent race from planet x
[03:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: don't entertain this nonsense
[03:30]	matey	they literally control the irc channel
[03:30]	matey	i figure if mincer is, youre probably in on it
[03:30]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> matey: don't entertain this nonsense <- hey, its still less silly than open source
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	btw we're working on a mega-series on epo corruption
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	connected to macedonia
[03:31]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> connected to macedonia <- the country or the alternate dimension?
[03:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	when I'm done rsynching the whole gemini capsule we'll need to figure out how to put all the data on multiple disks
[03:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	the country
[03:33]	matey	oh, good
[03:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	all this david icke stuff can only ube used to discredit "techrights"
[03:33]	matey	i really dont think anyone cares* unless you start writing articles about it
[03:34]	matey	* except possibly mjg, and probably not even him
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	he digs shit in irc
[03:34]	matey	and no one cares that he cares
[03:34]	matey	yeah i dont think julia reda is going to start a campaign to seize your dns because someone chats about aliens here
[03:34]	DaemonFC	The guy who played Bob Pogo in F is for Family got a DUI last month in Ohio.
[03:34]	TR News	"Information camouflage is when piece of information A has a name similar to another, very different, much more popular piece B. This makes searching for A difficult because you always get results for B instead." https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/information-camouflage/
[03:34]	TR Bot	 Information camouflage Buttondown
[03:35]	matey	but if she ever does, ill fight to get you back online
[03:35]	DaemonFC	I don't know what their state laws are on a DUI. Many states are a shit sandwich as soon as the police pull you over and ask if you've been drinking.
[03:35]	matey	seriously
[03:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	julian reda fell off the radar
[03:35]	matey	yeah destroying your credibility does that
[03:35]	matey	what a disappointment too
[03:35]	DaemonFC	In Georgia, you can say "No, I haven't." and blow 0.0 on the breathalyzer, and they can still charge you with DUI and arrest you right there.
[03:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	one thing you cannot say about TR or me is,
[03:36]	matey	i left the pirates and joined the ninja party
[03:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	we became irrelevant
[03:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	we've managed to stay in the 'war' for many years
[03:36]	DaemonFC	It's best to just drive friendly and not gain the attention of the police.
[03:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	and adapted when necessary
[03:36]	DaemonFC	If you see a checkpoint, don't turn to avoid it. Don't act suspiciously.
[03:36]	matey	well, if by relevant you mean no one ever shut you up
[03:36]	DaemonFC	Just go through and let them shine their flashlight in your car. The checkpoint is a ruse.
[03:36]	matey	thats absolutely indisputable
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: it's multii-faceted
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	you look at example of activists who vanished
[03:37]	DaemonFC	It's to see if you'll do something "suspicious" like quickly turn down another street to avoid them.
[03:37]	TR News	Scientists expand entomological research using genome editing | Hiroshima University https://www.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/en/news/72144 Source: hiroshima-u | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/en/news/72144
[03:37]	TR Bot	 Scientists expand entomological research using genome editing | Hiroshima University
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	one of them is still in a prison in london
[03:37]	Ariadne	i mean lets be real, you're fucking with small fish not big fish
[03:37]	DaemonFC	Then they have hidden cop cars that pull you over and they ask "Why did you turn to avoid that checkpoint? Hmmm?".
[03:37]	Ariadne	if you were fucking with big fish you'd be gone by now
[03:37]	matey	fish on the way out, like gravely
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	Ariadne: true
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	I try not to mess with UK gov.
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	or with anything military
[03:38]	DaemonFC	It's horrible being charged with a crime, even if they have absolutely no evidence to take to court.
[03:38]	Ariadne	ok
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: see montenegro
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	they make up charges
[03:38]	DaemonFC	The mere accusation can get people fired or make them homeless long before a court ever sorts out what the police bring to them.
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	and convict you anyway
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	like in moscow
[03:39]	AdmFubar	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/movie-torrents-hijacked-to-send-tips-on-bypassing-russian-censorship/
[03:39]	TR Bot	 Movie torrents hijacked to send tips on bypassing Russian censorship
[03:39]	matey	/me hopes that dude gets his ring back from putin
[03:39]	matey	this guy who won the superbowl met putin, and just to be a dick, putin took his ring
[03:39]	matey	and his bodyguards said it was a "gift"
[03:39]	matey	ie he wasnt getting it back
[03:39]	MinceR	small fish, big fish, red fish, blue fish
[03:40]	matey	reptilian fish
[03:40]	MinceR	lol
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://rsf.org/en/montenegro-convicts-jovo-martinovi-again-jeopardizing-eu-accession
[03:40]	TR Bot	 Montenegro convicts Jovo Martinovi again, jeopardizing EU accession | RSF
[03:40]	matey	i doubt the guy ever gets his ring back
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Reporters Without Borders (RSF) is appalled by the one-year prison sentence that investigative reporter Jovo Martinovi received on a drug trafficking charge at the end of his retrial in Montenegro today. The countrys judicial system must stop persecuting this journalist and finally take account of all the evidence of his innocence, RSF said.
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	In the latest stage in his Kafkaesque ordeal, Jovo Martinovi was convicted of serving as an intermediary between drug traffickers. He has always maintained that his contacts with drug traffickers were purely journalistic in nature and were conducted solely for the purposes of his reporting."
[03:40]	matey	but when they finally take care of putin, i hope he gets his ring
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	he "insulted" his leader
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	afai, fwiw, assange never went to the us
[03:40]	matey	its just ridiculous
[03:40]	MinceR	they could make a ring out of putler's remains
[03:41]	matey	they could, thats a thing
[03:41]	DaemonFC	Insulting the president is not illegal.
[03:41]	DaemonFC	Which is good.
[03:41]	matey	but i doubt the guy wants to wear putin on his... ew...
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	so he is dealing with a country foreign to him, gets in trouble. but when doing this to country he visits, then don't charge him.
[03:41]	DaemonFC	78% of Americans would be in deep shit with this guy in office.
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	apropos, KSA
[03:42]	DaemonFC	Nobody things Biden is doing a good job unless they're sitting in San Francisco in a bathrobe huffing their own farts.
[03:42]	DaemonFC	*thinks
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> "The video received backlash on social media and a hashtag denigrating her that translates into "Tala offends society" circulated on Twitter" https://news.yahoo.com/saudi-police-arrest-egyptian-tiktoker-211506955.html | Source: Yahoo News
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	-TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- news.yahoo.com | Saudi police arrest Egyptian TikToker with millions of followers for video they claim had 'sexual content'
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> "The Saudi Public Security authority's official Twitter posted a statement Monday" https://www.insider.com/tala-safwan-tiktoker-youtuber-arrested-livestream-riyadh-police-2022-7 | Source: Business Insider
[03:42]	TR Bot	 Saudi police arrest Egyptian TikToker with millions of followers for video they claim had 'sexual content'
[03:42]	TR Bot	 Egyptian Influencer Tala Safwan Arrested for 'Sexual' TikTok Stream
[03:42]	matey	i think its more to do with the fact that the usa mistakes itself for god in this context
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	posted in -social yesterday
[03:42]	matey	a lot of places wouldnt go to this much trouble over a journalist
[03:42]	matey	i mean the saudis do...
[03:42]	matey	but for example, if you did this to north korea youd probably be fine
[03:42]	matey	as long as you never went too close to north korea, obviously
[03:43]	DaemonFC	GULAG's cadre is probably the last group in America throwing their own money away on candidates that are about to lose.
[03:43]	MinceR	03 044117 < matey> but i doubt the guy wants to wear putin on his... ew...
[03:43]	DaemonFC	I can't bring myself to vote for either candidate for Illinois governor. I don't want to support that either way it goes.
[03:43]	MinceR	well, ideally they can get the ring back
[03:43]	matey	Saudi police arrest Egyptian TikToker with millions of followers for video they claim had 'sexual content <- thank god they never saw stallman smelling flowers
[03:43]	MinceR	but i don't trust that it's still intact and vladolf still knows where it is
[03:44]	matey	why wouldnt it be? you think the ring said something bad about him in the press?
[03:44]	MinceR	03 044202 < DaemonFC> Nobody things Biden is doing a good job unless they're sitting in San Francisco in a bathrobe huffing their own farts.
[03:44]	TR News	What a ripoff https://www.talospace.com/2022/07/arctic-tern-available-for-purchase.html
[03:44]	TR Bot	 Arctic Tern available for purchase
[03:44]	MinceR	unfortunately, biden doesn't need to do a good job
[03:44]	DaemonFC	Only one candidate I supported on the Republican Party ballot won, and so I may just vote for the Supreme Court seat and turn in an otherwise empty ballot, except to vote NO on Amendment 1, which would give public unions bargaining power that contradicts state laws.
[03:44]	MinceR	he just needs to do a job that's less bad than what former president Lex Loser did
[03:44]	matey	yeah the bar had to be set low enough for biden to be an actual hero (almost)
[03:45]	MinceR	03 044332 < DaemonFC> I can't bring myself to vote for either candidate for Illinois governor. I don't want to support that either way it goes.
[03:45]	matey	and to do that they had to drill thousands of miles past the crust of the earth
[03:45]	MinceR	yeah, i don't know if there's a point to voting again here in orbanistan
[03:45]	matey	for auld lang syne?
[03:45]	DaemonFC	Amendment 1 claims to be an "anti-Right to Work" Amendment, which basically means it would ban local laws that force you to join a labor union, however there already is a statute that prevents local bans on forced union membership. It's terrible. People shouldn't have to be in a labor union they don't support.
[03:46]	MinceR	even if the alleged democrats had win, Lobbik Oroszorszgrt and LMP would have gained a big enough fraction of seats that they could have just made a coalition with fideath and MiHasznk
[03:46]	DaemonFC	But Amendment 1 goes much farther and makes it legal for state workers to demand labor contracts that go against any other state law.
[03:46]	MinceR	it didn't take long for Lobbik and LMP to start backing fidSS after the lost election
[03:46]	matey	Lobbik Oroszorszgrt <- this is a noise my stomach makes when i havent eaten
[03:46]	DaemonFC	Theoretically, they could demand a contract that lets them murder people, and it would be legal for AFSCME members to commit murder.
[03:46]	MinceR	they're lying pieces of shit and hungarians support them, believing them to be part of the opposition
[03:46]	MinceR	because most hungarians are stupider than rocks
[03:46]	DaemonFC	But realistically, what it would mean is they'll demand higher taxes as part of their union contracts.
[03:47]	DaemonFC	Right now they demand all kinds of things, but there's no guaranteed funding source.
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: paper beats rocks
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	*mincer
[03:47]	DaemonFC	When the pensions blow up, that's it. No more money.
[03:47]	matey	hehehehehe
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's a scary thought
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	see, I can access the pension at 55
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	with massive tax
[03:47]	DaemonFC	The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	so in theory I need to have enough saved for about 15 years
[03:47]	MinceR	also, much of the alleged "opposition" happily takes part in corruption on the local government level, in cahoots with fideath
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	but Tories wreck the NHS and stuff..
[03:48]	DaemonFC	The union members working for the state spent years bankrupting their own pensions.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Now they want millions of people like me to pay even higher taxes.
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/06/23/while-ceos-make-millions-and-workers-struggle-union-surge-unsurprising"
[03:48]	TR Bot	 Opinion | While CEOs Make Millions and Workers Struggle, Union Surge Is Unsurprising | Brian Wakamo
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	the ruling class does not want people to be free
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	or not work for them
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	for minimal salary
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Public employees don't work for CEOs with billion dollar salaries.
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	and they control banking policies
[03:48]	DaemonFC	They work for me!
[03:48]	matey	Oroszorszgrt <- being hungarian CANT actually make this easy to spell
[03:48]	DaemonFC	I'm tapped out.
[03:49]	DaemonFC	I'm voting no on Amendment 1.
[03:49]	matey	<MinceR> also, much of the alleged "opposition" happily takes part in corruption on the local government level <- like democrats vs republicans
[03:49]	DaemonFC	They can figure out their own fucking mess. They're the ones that installed politicians that kept having "pension holidays".
[03:49]	matey	"oh, yeah they overturned roe v wade-- but you can help by voting for us even harder!"
[03:50]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], If you put nothing in it and still want money out of the pot that's not there, is that fair to me? No, it's not fair.
[03:50]	matey	"how hard do people have to vote for you to stop supporting the patriot act and illegal wars?"
[03:50]	matey	"i dunno. how much money you got?"
[03:50]	DaemonFC	They had 25 years where they should have been contributing, and now they want the damned pension too.
[03:51]	matey	"so its about money, not votes"
[03:51]	matey	"well yeah, welcome to the 21st century"
[03:51]	MinceR	03 044851 < matey> Oroszorszgrt <- being hungarian CANT actually make this easy to spell
[03:51]	DaemonFC	That's not how this works! That's not how any of this works! *votes no*
[03:51]	matey	"no i know, just making sure"
[03:51]	MinceR	it's easy
[03:51]	MinceR	even if i have to hold altgr to put the accents on
[03:51]	matey	definitely from planet x
[03:51]	MinceR	03 044939 < matey> <MinceR> also, much of the alleged "opposition" happily takes part in corruption on the local government level <- like democrats vs republicans
[03:51]	MinceR	usian "democrats" actually stand a chance in elections
[03:51]	MinceR	the hungarians don't
[03:51]	matey	fair point
[03:52]	MinceR	especially not when they keep the likes of Lobbik and LMP in their ranks
[03:52]	DaemonFC	I'm sorry.....I'm sorry that they don't get their entire pension. I'm sorry that they were so stupid they voted for a string of politicians that let them stop contributing and promised money would come out of nowhere to pay for all of this. I'm sorry they were fools and that's why the pensions are 27% funded.
[03:52]	DaemonFC	And I'm sorry about what I have to do to them now.
[03:52]	DaemonFC	But they made their bed.
[03:53]	DaemonFC	Enough carrot. Time for the stick.
[03:53]	MinceR	no
[03:53]	MinceR	time for the asteroid
[03:53]	TR News	Robots Learn Household Tasks by Watching Humans https://www.scs.cmu.edu/news/2022/whirl-robots
[03:53]	TR Bot	 Robots Learn Household Tasks by Watching Humans
[03:53]	MinceR	or the gamma ray burst
[03:53]	MinceR	or the relativistic impactor
[03:53]	matey	why not all of those wrapped into one
[03:54]	MinceR	maybe if humans kick the bucket right now, intelligent life can still evolve in time
[03:54]	matey	the relativistic asteroid... would probably make its own gamma rays
[03:54]	matey	and save on gamma bills
[03:54]	MinceR	it could be an asteroid, it doesn't matter
[03:54]	MinceR	but the gamma rays wouldn't be far ahead of it if it's relativistic
[03:54]	matey	yeah but you cant be too careful
[03:55]	matey	also they look really-- i mean they WOULD look really cool, if they were in the visible spectrum
[03:56]	MinceR	doesn't matter
[03:56]	MinceR	the observers are supposed to die quickly
[03:56]	matey	knowing your luck they probably wont
[03:56]	MinceR	yeah
[03:56]	matey	the stupid thing will probably miss and hit the moon 
[03:56]	MinceR	but we're already on the "slow death" track
[03:56]	MinceR	so, no news there
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[03:58]	DaemonFC	"and ever sense"
[03:58]	DaemonFC	Damn autocorrect.
[03:58]	DaemonFC	I fixed it on my blog...
[03:59]	DaemonFC	Still, one typo in a post that big isn't the worst I've done.
[03:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.66 average k/sec., average swarm size 185.61
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[04:01]	matey	you know what would be funnier, is if we evolved into higher beings
[04:02]	matey	and they did rituals where they explored their "inner savage" by dressing up in a suit and tie
[04:02]	matey	and imitating the mannerisms of cunts on wall street
[04:03]	matey	"i know this is beneath us in a way, but history is important and being in touch with our inner savages teaches us about human nature"
[04:03]	matey	im not going to hinge any plans on it
[04:03]	matey	but it would be hilarious
[04:04]	matey	"BUY! BUY! BUY! SELL! SELL!" 
[04:04]	matey	then they dance around a room and foreclose on everyones mortgages
[04:05]	matey	then they drink ceremonial wine and go home
[04:05]	matey	"our ancestors were fucking nuts"
[04:05]	matey	"you can say that again"
[04:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	<matey> "BUY! BUY! BUY! SELL! SELL!" 
[04:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	and if you get it wrong, bribe officials for a bailout/graft
[04:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	so when you win, you win
[04:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	when you lose, it's someone else's problem
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	ok, i/o on the usb is far too slow for ipfs
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	but I still hope that some ipfs accelerators will emerge one day
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	this shit does not scale
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	like the bitcoin experiment
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	works small in a lab
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	then, when adopted widely, it's not sustinable
[04:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	you run hundres of power station just to keep this shit running
[04:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	*stations
[04:08]	MinceR	03 050154 < matey> you know what would be funnier, is if we evolved into higher beings
[04:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	and sell too many drives, gpus etc.
[04:08]	MinceR	unfortunately, it is also impossible
[04:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	driving up their cost
[04:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	we're getting closer to doom
[04:08]	MinceR	03 050419 < matey> "BUY! BUY! BUY! SELL! SELL!" 
[04:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	not being a doomer, but
[04:08]	matey	 <MinceR> unfortunately, it is also impossible <- weve done it before
[04:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's already living hell for many people. even basics like price of food.
[04:09]	MinceR	"you worship the same god as i do, but some of your beliefs are a little different, so NOW I'M GOING TO TORTURE YOU TO DEATH IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST"
[04:09]	MinceR	if you're looking for the inner savage, look thereabouts
[04:09]	matey	i wouldnt
[04:09]	MinceR	03 050845 < matey>  <MinceR> unfortunately, it is also impossible <- weve done it before
[04:09]	MinceR	[citation needed]
[04:09]	matey	christians are at their most savage when greed is a factor
[04:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	"war in our lifetime" is BS... as there are wars all the time... but now we have two nuclear nations confronting
[04:10]	MinceR	greed is always a factor with humans
[04:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	Ukraine (US proxy and EU proxy)  and Russia
[04:10]	MinceR	resources are never enough, underlings are never enough
[04:10]	matey	im not saying there arent other, more pointless crusades. there totally are
[04:10]	MinceR	it doesn't matter if it kills us, we've got to outbreed the other cult and we've got to cover the entire planet in human bodies
[04:10]	matey	<MinceR> resources are never enough <- i agree, but the conclusion is different
[04:10]	MinceR	we're the paperclip optimizer, except we build human bodies
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	"consultants" to 20 year old: put money in a pension so you can pick     it up 50 years from now
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	(if humans still have a civilised system)
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	reality:
[04:11]	MinceR	humans never had a civilized system
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	consultant told the 20 year old to push money into the collapsing pyramid scheme
[04:11]	matey	any plan that depends on the economy is already shit
[04:11]	matey	an economy, maybe 
[04:11]	matey	this economy? please
[04:11]	MinceR	humans sugarcoated pure evil and oppression and called it "civilization"
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	to cushion the pension of people now in their 60s
[04:11]	MinceR	it makes me sick
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	btw, not sure if you noticed it, a few weeks ago I started including "economic" news here in this channel,. along witj union stuff
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's related to rights, too
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	I have friends who are made to work like 70- hours a week
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	for a company
[04:13]	matey	yeah economic news is relevant to all this
[04:13]	matey	but it also gives you more things to be wrong about
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	the companies have many ways to exploit the crisis too
[04:13]	matey	to get economy right you need a big picture
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	"you can work from home a few times a week, BUT..."|
[04:13]	matey	you dont have one
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	so they steal away your personal time, too
[04:13]	matey	(m not saying thats enough, im saying its required)
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	IBM, 2021: you are IBM employe 100% of the time
[04:13]	matey	youll probably glean a few fun facts out of it
[04:14]	matey	and some extra articles
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	depends on the source
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	dean baker can be ok
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	alternative news sites iwith good writers
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	like chris hedges
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	eeeeeither way,
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	oops
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	barrier
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	on a personal note, I try to leave my job, but people throw barriers at me
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	with nasty HR people
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	and greedy jealous people
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	they have kids
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	they envy the idea of someone removing some shackles
[04:15]	matey	youre arent removing shackles. youre incredibly lucky.
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	so I'll take myself off the radar for a bit, not talking to them at all
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: not just lucky
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's based on decisions
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	not luck
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	we live on meager budget
[04:16]	matey	every person who is that lucky believes its because they made the right decisions
[04:16]	matey	thats why kanye thinks slavery is a "choice"
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	I could go work for 6-figure salaries after university
[04:16]	matey	fwiw i think people SHOULD do what youre doing if they can
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	but didn't want to, boycottnovelll was already a thingh
[04:16]	matey	but to attribute it to your own personal decisions is a joke
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	I was about 24
[04:16]	matey	youre lucky. you THINK its something you did.
[04:17]	MinceR	03 051319 < matey> to get economy right you need a big picture
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	no, it's turning things down
[04:17]	MinceR	does anyone get the economy right?
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	economcis is not a sciene
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	it is a fraud
[04:17]	matey	 <MinceR> does anyone get the economy right <- hard to say
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	you don't get it right
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	you rig it
[04:17]	MinceR	it's a "science" of wild guessing and unverifiable predictions
[04:17]	MinceR	one that got started with the LTV and for most people, never really recovered
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	what about bailouts
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	where in the science do they fit in?
[04:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/.3now CHIPS Act
[04:18]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/.3now )
[04:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	subsidies and graft
[04:18]	matey	<MinceR> it's a "science" of wild guessing and unverifiable predictions <- debunking it then, would be the first step towards getting it right
[04:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[04:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	now CHIPS Act
[04:18]	matey	if its bullshit, you call bullshit. thats simple enough
[04:18]	MinceR	where they make a wild guess that a particular bailout will have desirable results, or merely claim so while they just hand the people's money over to their cronies
[04:18]	MinceR	matey: their predictions are unfalsifiable
[04:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: they buy the politicians
[04:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's not science either
[04:19]	MinceR	there's no appropriate experiment environment for economics
[04:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's hand in the cookie jar
[04:19]	MinceR	there's no possibility of a control group
[04:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	best outcome ime, work outside the system
[04:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	(to the extent feasible)
[04:19]	MinceR	best outcome: become extinct
[04:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	walk, buy discounts, repair, stop flying etc.
[04:19]	matey	anyway, thers a name for the bias people who are able to retire at 45 because (or so they think) of "decisions" they made
[04:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: that's not the best outcome
[04:20]	matey	i mean you win the lottery because of a "decision" you made. its still luck
[04:20]	matey	its called survivorship bias
[04:20]	matey	its what you have
[04:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	do yuo know the cost of a child today?
[04:20]	matey	but im not against what youre doing. im only making fun of what you attribute it to.
[04:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	it got a lot higher lately
[04:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	with inflation
[04:20]		*schestowitz[TR2] looks up ref
[04:20]	matey	lots more people should quit their job and turn to activism
[04:20]	matey	but those who manage it are indeed lucky
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[04:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	they think the system will take care of them
[04:21]	matey	also, activism is needed at work, not just outside it
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[04:21]	matey	that what unions are for
[04:21]	matey	and its risky, yes
[04:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://spendmenot.com/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-raise-a-child/
[04:21]	TR Bot	Much Does It Cost to Raise a Child in America? - SpendMeNot
[04:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	"The cost of raising a child until age 17 is $233,610 on average. Low-income married couples spend $174,690 on average to raise a child. Low-income single parents spend $172,200 to raise a child from birth until age 17."
[04:21]	matey	yes you saved money due to not having children
[04:22]	matey	that was smart
[04:22]	matey	some decisions helped
[04:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	multiple by [number of offsping], add COLLEGE costs
[04:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	*multiply
[04:22]	matey	dont let that make you think-- im joking, theres no way you could possibly come to another conclusion
[04:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's higher in some EU countries
[04:22]	matey	but if you could, then you could be right about this.
[04:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	2021: https://www.thelocal.de/20211029/how-much-does-it-cost-to-bring-up-a-child-in-germany/
[04:23]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.thelocal.de/20211029/how-much-does-it-cost-to-bring-up-a-child-in-germany/ )
[04:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a lot higher now
[04:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	add 10+ percent inflation
[04:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	some people work high-paying jobs not out if choice but out of necessity
[04:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	and cannot quit or limit hours to 40 a week, 20 a week, 10 a week
[04:24]	matey	now factor in the things you dont control and youll understand
[04:25]	matey	or dont, its not like i expect you to ever figure this out
[04:25]	matey	the thing is, you should quit-- and its a good idea
[04:25]	matey	but youll crow about it for years and years
[04:25]	matey	and people who hate you for it will hate the crowing
[04:25]	matey	so youll try to make it sound modest and helpful
[04:25]	matey	but its neither
[04:25]	matey	and its fine, im not unhappy with my own situation about this
[04:25]		*britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights
[04:26]	matey	modest about it, but not unhappy
[04:26]	matey	and i dont live as nicely as you do, but im happy with my lifestyle
[04:26]	matey	hi britney
[04:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: here is the thing
[04:26]	britney	hi matey
[04:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	couples with kids like to hang out woth other couples with kids
[04:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	helps them feel adequate
[04:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	but contrariwise, they can be toxic to people who don't make that choice
[04:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	I've literally blacklisted two people for the whole month of August
[04:27]	matey	of course
[04:27]	britney	gemini://cerberusinvestigations.darkcloud.ca - i have a gemini capsule :D
[04:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	didn't even tell them the deadline
[04:27]	matey	 <britney> gemini://cerberusinvestigations.darkcloud.ca - i have a gemini capsule  <- thats fucking awesome
[04:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	I will say in September
[04:28]	matey	 <schestowitz[TR2]> I've literally blacklisted two people for the whole month of August <- i bet theyre relatives
[04:28]	britney	:)
[04:29]	matey	/me has the tech to do gemini (at least clientwise) but doesnt use it regularly yet
[04:29]	matey	for serving ive worked on it but i dont have that yet either
[04:29]	matey	when i was on debian i ran a gopher server, and one of the servers hooked right into the native network bs blah blah blah
[04:29]	matey	inetd or some shit
[04:30]	matey	it was tedious-- but it worked the first time i set it up
[04:30]	matey	for gemini its like that all over again-- on openbsd i mean
[04:30]	MinceR	they call it "socket activation" nowadays
[04:30]	matey	not for httpd
[04:30]	MinceR	and pretend poettering invented it
[04:30]	matey	but for gemini
[04:30]	MinceR	just like the cupertino mafia
[04:30]	matey	what this means is that you dont have to maintain an entire stack outside of the core
[04:30]	MinceR	reimplement something poorly, and then claim credit for inventing it
[04:30]	matey	and a server can be written which is VERY minimal and works well
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: I wrote a bit about this in my blog
[04:31]	matey	and just happens to be a fucking pain to setup (unless its http)
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	then buried it with chaff
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	to avoid more people seeing it
[04:31]	matey	for http, the native server is easy
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	but I have a plan for activism
[04:31]	matey	theres also apache httpd if you prefer it
[04:31]	matey	theres nginx too
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	does not involve selling out to anybody
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	hmmm.. apache in techrights need a kick, brb
[04:32]	britney	matey, im using shavit as a gemini server
[04:32]	matey	cool
[04:32]	britney	its written in go
[04:32]	matey	/me nods
[04:32]	matey	but its cool you have a gemini server
[04:32]	matey	gemini is the future
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	I'd rather play myself to death than work myself to death
[04:32]	matey	for now, im migrating all my web stuff gradually
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	we all die eventually
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	some of us play, some of us work for it
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	ok, techrights back
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	good thing I'm awake, this kind of issue never solves itself
[04:33]	matey	/me writes websites in gemini text, hosts them in gemtext, presents/renders them as html on the fly
[04:33]	matey	for those who dont like js, "view source" works
[04:33]	matey	no js needed then
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: if you need a help, tell me
[04:33]	matey	lol
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	I have now got experience with several gemini server software
[04:34]	matey	i dont think you understand the situation for me personally
[04:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	itr' easier to configure than apache and nginx
[04:34]	matey	its outside your experience, and mine
[04:34]	matey	we can both do http-- and i could also do gemini if i was doing it your way
[04:34]	matey	its easy
[04:34]	matey	but i dont want to do it that way
[04:35]	matey	i dont want a server from github for example
[04:35]	matey	one thats native to openbsd is fine
[04:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	right, don't use one
[04:35]	matey	but so far, its a bitch to setup
[04:35]	matey	and i save my patience for other projects
[04:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	alpine has one that's not just in sourcehut
[04:35]	matey	ill try it again and get it working
[04:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	but was made by a counfounder of sourcehut
[04:35]	matey	but not yet
[04:35]	matey	gemini is the future
[04:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/x86/gmnisrv
[04:35]	TR Bot	 Alpine Linux packages
[04:36]	matey	but at the present im busy
[04:36]	matey	one of the things im busy with is transforming things to be gemini friendly
[04:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	planet gemini is brokenj
[04:36]	matey	so thats progress
[04:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	I need to copy across the july 29th backup
[04:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's very slow on usb
[04:36]	matey	ive been weaning myself more and more off html, im no fan of html 
[04:36]	matey	but its been useful in the past
[04:37]	matey	too expensive (time and ram) for my taste-- but useful
[04:37]	matey	serving gemini protocol is great for anyone who gets that running
[04:37]	matey	but its only one of many goals im working on
[04:37]	matey	theres a thing i use html for thats VERY useful and ive been exploring other means
[04:37]	matey	using a text editor
[04:38]	matey	but the html version is in colour and fits on one page
[04:38]	matey	i got it to fit on one page in a text editor, but-- thats not the best method
[04:38]	matey	i do experiments with this stuff all the time
[04:38]	matey	all my coolest projects started as a simple experiment
[04:39]	matey	usually to answer some philosophical question (about computing) with code
[04:39]	matey	migrating to gemini is important to me, its just not my highest priority
[04:39]	matey	so im taking my time with it
[04:40]	matey	anything i used to do with html in mind
[04:40]	matey	i now do with gemtext or something close to it
[04:40]	matey	but theres lots of old stuff
[04:40]	matey	and at the same time, im getting away from opendocument and pdf too
[04:41]	matey	in the past month ive reduced my file collection over the past 12 years to 25% of its size
[04:41]	matey	the stuff i can do to my entire filesystem-- in a short amount of time-- is awesome
[04:42]	matey	i maintain everything with my own tools
[04:42]	matey	not including the languages theyre written in of course
[04:42]	matey	not including xterm
[04:42]	matey	and certainly not incluing the os
[04:42]	matey	but its all work, and its prioritised based on my needs and goals
[04:43]	matey	the only thing that pisses me off about the software ecosystem is how much theyve sabotaged
[04:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's related
[04:43]	matey	and how much harder theyve made everything 
[04:43]	matey	yeah
[04:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	one issue and the other
[04:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	bloat in sofwtaare and web
[04:43]	matey	oh i know
[04:43]	matey	i know
[04:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	web browser <-> the web
[04:43]	matey	we agree that getting away from html is good
[04:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	client, protocol, server
[04:44]	matey	thats why ive moved shittonnes of workflow around
[04:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	techrights started talking about this years ago
[04:44]	matey	but serving gemini protocol is a very low priority there
[04:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	it got so much worse with the web
[04:44]	matey	the real bloat comes from the client
[04:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	see Linux Today
[04:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's dying so badly that it now runs SPAM
[04:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	as "news"
[04:44]	matey	what i really love about gemtext is
[04:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	so one thing we'll try to do is raise awareness of the issue
[04:44]	matey	its fucking easy to parse-- by a program OR even manually
[04:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	yeah
[04:45]	matey	gemtext is human readable as fuck!
[04:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	you need to read only first 3 chars of each line
[04:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	and you know what the line is
[04:45]	matey	so when i do html, its brower readable buts its a mess
[04:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	so it's efficient to process in paralell
[04:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	*llel
[04:45]	matey	so while serving gemini isnt a priority
[04:45]	matey	when i design anything web related i use gemini as the model
[04:45]	matey	and this DOES have a goal of moving to real gemini protocol
[04:46]	matey	when you consider i spent the past few weeks cutting all my files down to 1/4 the size
[04:46]	matey	thats not unrelated
[04:46]	matey	its a lot easier to manage 1/4 as much html, other stuff, etc
[04:47]	matey	75% of cruft: gone
[04:47]	matey	but thats not all ive worked on
[04:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	in new tuxmachines, the cms, we use sqlite
[04:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	to generate the pages
[04:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	not to serve them
[04:47]	matey	i dont like databases
[04:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	new:
[04:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> Never Too Rich Or Thin: Compress Sqlite 80% https://hackaday.com/2022/08/01/never-too-rich-or-thin-compress-sqlite-80/ | Source: Hackaday
[04:47]	TR Bot	Too Rich Or Thin: Compress Sqlite 80% | Hackaday
[04:47]	matey	they serve a purpose
[04:48]	matey	the only time i ever needed one was when i downloaded wikipedia :)
[04:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	you culd also convert them to boring plain text files
[04:48]	matey	that is just too much trouble to work with using discrete files :)
[04:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	and work off that
[04:48]	matey	 <schestowitz[TR2]> you culd also convert them to boring plain text files <- i did, on ext3
[04:48]	matey	with standard hdperm settings
[04:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	ok
[04:48]	matey	nightmare
[04:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	so the file system became the ''''db'
[04:48]	matey	conclusion: this is why dbs exist
[04:49]	matey	im sure there are other uses, but this is the only one i found for me personally
[04:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	find and grep -R are a lot slower than SELEECT where *...
[04:49]	matey	yeah but when i wanted to delete half the articles
[04:49]	matey	we are talking 20 minutes to write
[04:49]	matey	but HOURS to delete
[04:50]	matey	ext3 wasnt up to it
[04:50]	matey	i dont know if ext4 is or whatever
[04:50]	matey	im not a filesystems expert
[04:50]	matey	moot now, since i dont use gnu/linux
[04:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	the filesystems expert is "rape apologist"
[04:50]	matey	and i dont have a copy of wikipedia these days
[04:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	ext4 (tso)
[04:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	one is in prison
[04:50]	matey	but i did learn something that db does better than fs
[04:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	for cutting his wife to pieces
[04:50]	matey	well you know
[04:50]	matey	if someone is cancelled for murdering his wife
[04:50]	matey	and we know he did it
[04:51]	matey	thats hard to paint as injustice
[04:51]	britney	ReiserFS
[04:51]	matey	stallman was cancelled over pure bullshit
[04:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	reiser, FFS!!
[04:51]	matey	and other examples may vary
[04:51]	matey	tso imo, i was also cancelled over pure bullshit
[04:51]	matey	too bad, that helped kill linux
[04:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	linux is not dead btw
[04:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	not literally, as a project
[04:52]	matey	so now gkh has the reins instead
[04:52]	matey	tragedy
[04:52]	britney	gkh is cool tho
[04:52]	MinceR	not yet
[04:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's just drifting in a direction that's similar to what we wanted to replace
[04:52]	matey	linux will be better when its dead
[04:52]	MinceR	no, gkh is very far from cool
[04:52]	MinceR	gkh wanted kdbus
[04:52]	MinceR	we were lucky to have Torvalds at the wheel back then
[04:52]	matey	i like britney but her taste in floss "visionaries" is appalling
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	gkh is not the worst
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	we all agree on this
[04:53]	matey	hes bad enough
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	except maybe MinceR 
[04:53]	matey	/me raises hand
[04:53]	matey	who is worse than gkh
[04:53]	matey	among developers...
[04:53]	MinceR	yeah, i suppose they could put poettering in charge instead
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	wait till Zemlin and Sheela Microsoft replace him with Microsoft's Levin
[04:53]	MinceR	or sievers
[04:53]	matey	because youll say zmeling
[04:53]	britney	i've seen a video of gkh and he seemed like a cool guy
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	he's already there as second in line
[04:53]	MinceR	but "not the worst" is just not good enough, sorry
[04:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	in long term (LTS) releases
[04:54]	matey	hypothetically there are worse 
[04:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	Sasha Levin
[04:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	he's also in the technical board
[04:54]	matey	but the difference is sievers isnt slated for that sort of position, right?
[04:54]	MinceR	\_()_/
[04:54]	MinceR	such things are probably decided in the platinum members' offices
[04:54]	matey	i mean we are talking about leader tier
[04:54]	MinceR	not in public
[04:54]	matey	not contributor
[04:54]	MinceR	also, for now our corporate overlords pretend Torvalds is in charge
[04:54]	matey	so we are talking tso, gkh, torvalds (emeritus)
[04:54]	MinceR	even though he clearly isn't
[04:55]	matey	hence emeritus
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	emeritus lol
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	he's 52 iirc
[04:55]	matey	a word i learned recently
[04:55]	MinceR	didn't they get rid of Ts'o already?
[04:55]	matey	or knew, but didnt know
[04:55]	matey	yeah mjg killed him
[04:55]	MinceR	maybe they'll make mjg the figurehead
[04:55]	matey	not literally of course
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	in academia many profs stay in their 70s too
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	emeritus typically would be like 80s
[04:56]	matey	and he didnt act alone
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	aka "geezer"
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	but torvalds might look like one in a decade
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	no zombie walks on his treadmills and cheetos for dinner
[04:56]	matey	well im borrowing the use of emeritus from debian, who since july decribes shuttleworth this way.
[04:56]	MinceR	or maybe his bosses will get tired of the puppet show and make him disappear
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	James and Sheela Microsoft are the ones donning suits and having caviar 
[04:56]	matey	and it is intended to be mildly funny
[04:57]	matey	or sad
[04:57]	MinceR	the fate of deadian is sad indeed
[04:57]	matey	i dont miss torvalds, fuck him, but gkh is still worse
[04:57]	matey	and tso would be better (perhaps better than either)
[04:58]	TR News	Raise the bar with an SBAR :: Major Hayden https://major.io/2022/08/02/raise-the-bar-with-an-sbar/ Source: major | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//major.io/2022/08/02/raise-the-bar-with-an-sbar/
[04:58]	TR Bot	 Raise the bar with an SBAR :: Major Hayden
[04:58]	matey	but its moot now, except as a post-mortem
[04:58]	matey	it wont put tso at the helm
[04:58]	matey	it wont save linux either
[04:58]	matey	ie microsoft linux
[04:59]	MinceR	kroah-hartmanux
[04:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	morton will probably retire soonb
[04:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	iirc, he has like 6 kids or something
[04:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	and lives near gulag
[04:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 95.61
[04:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	so has to keep a 6-figure salary
[04:59]	matey	if tso hadnt been cancelled, perhaps he would have stood up to the lf in a way mr novell never would
[04:59]	matey	we dont know, because its more important that tso never bring up rape statistics in a discussion about rape.
[04:59]	britney	matey, attack surface
● Aug 03
[05:00]	matey	actually, tsos real crime was bringing up rape statistics in response to someone talking about rape statistics-- the bastard!
[05:00]	matey	<britney> matey, attack surface
[05:00]	matey	 :)
[05:00]	britney	Tso has a bigger attack surface
[05:00]	matey	can you do a believable alberta accent?
[05:00]	matey	<britney> Tso has a bigger attack surface <- sadly true
[05:01]	britney	im not sure
[05:01]	matey	also hes not a skinny guy, but for an asian thats kind of a feat
[05:03]	matey	 <britney> matey, attack surface <- btw theres a third alien superrace
[05:03]	matey	theyre the cynical bastard aliens from planet x, and they control this irc channel
[05:03]	britney	which superrace
[05:03]	matey	(mincer is one of them)
[05:03]	matey	he has a black triangle ship
[05:03]	matey	<britney> which superrace <- just told you, the cynical bastards from planet x
[05:04]	TR News	Wow, fifth time in just over a day. Webspam from ZDNet's sister site. What on Earth is going on here? Sunset for the site? Has 'Linux Today' sold its soul to diploma mills? http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/linux-today-zdnet/
[05:04]	TR Bot	 Weird Editorial Choices in Linux Today These Past Few Hours (Updatedx3) | Techrights
[05:04]	matey	hes been telling us all this time using coded language disguised as emojis
[05:05]	matey	but the coolest part is he can create an energy weapon that runs on calgon
[05:05]	matey	or power his ship with it
[05:06]	matey	we had fun figuring all this out
[05:06]	matey	it started with lasers, cats, alchemy and tyrian purple
[05:07]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], I was reading some of my old blog.
[05:07]	matey	finally mincer started doing things that should break most known laws of physics but of course, only apply them in ways only an alien superrace could and
[05:07]	matey	the rest as they say, is history
[05:08]	DaemonFC	It's amazing how much Microsoft then is just like Microsoft now. Like, their amazing business plan is always to spring some horrible stripped down version of Windows that doesn't do much on you and then demand another $100 when you get the computer in the house.
[05:08]	DaemonFC	They tried it again with Windows 10 and then turned it into a Mode, and then that Mode sort of went away in Windows 11 again.
[05:08]	DaemonFC	"Starter Mode" doesn't work as a business plan. It has never worked in a first world country, and even in developing countries they've gotten wise to it and don't want it.
[05:08]	britney	matey, can he shapeshift?
[05:09]	matey	i didnt ask, i thought it was too forward
[05:09]	matey	"can you shapeshift" is more of a third date question imo
[05:09]	DaemonFC	There's really no reason why it would work in any country. In rich countries, people go "Eww! Hand me an OS that does something!" and in poor countries they go "I'm poor! But I'm not retarded! I want to use Linux!".
[05:10]	DaemonFC	And then they have Matthew GULAG's "Secure Boot" to stop them from doing that.
[05:11]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167947 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/03/today%27s_howtos.shtml
[05:11]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[05:11]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[05:12]	MinceR	03 060343 < matey> he has a black triangle ship
[05:12]	MinceR	if i had one, do you really think i'd hang around in this dump?
[05:12]	matey	i dunno, maybe the charging stations are as far apart as they are for teslas
[05:13]	TR News	GNU/Linux market share in India estimated at 7% https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india/#monthly-200901-202208
[05:13]	TR Bot	 Desktop Operating System Market Share India | Statcounter Global Stats
[05:13]	DaemonFC	LOL
[05:13]	TR News	Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
[05:13]	TR Bot	 Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett | Techrights
[05:14]	DaemonFC	I said if Chris Pirillo's career blowing Microsoft fell through he'd make a passable stand-in for Harold on the New Red Green Show.
[05:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	is he still around?
[05:14]	matey	maybe it needs parts
[05:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	I've not heard his name for a decade or more
[05:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	I exchanged a few emails with him
[05:14]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=k1Pv5hEJepk
[05:14]	TR Bot	 The Red Green Show - Harold Gets Married - Invidious
[05:14]	matey	i got stranded in the middle of nowhere once because a vital part on a small plane needed replacement
[05:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	iirc, he was a star on tv 'tech' shows in his younger days
[05:14]	matey	it had two, thats why it was still running when it landed
[05:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then become a microsoft shill
[05:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	then gone
[05:15]	DaemonFC	Yelling at his wife like she was some sort of dog.
[05:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	like david berlind
[05:15]	DaemonFC	That really pissed me off.
[05:15]	matey	but its treated, understandably, as a flight emergency
[05:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	who started ProgrammableWeb
[05:15]	matey	it took more than a day to get it replaced
[05:15]	matey	for a spaceship you know it could take much longer
[05:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	and it didn't get anywhere, was good at crashing my browser
[05:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	iirc, he was editor of zdnet when the site still did actual news
[05:15]	DaemonFC	I hadn't really even given any thought to the Philippines at that point in my life other than someone I went to grade school with at Catholic school was from there, but he was a doctor's son.
[05:15]	DaemonFC	Nobody there was poor.
[05:16]	matey	in freefall, the alien sqid (not squid, those are earthling) has a spaceship but its not flight-ready
[05:16]	DaemonFC	Mom was a hospital nurse, so we knew the doctor and his wife and went and did things together.
[05:16]	matey	so he "hires" a bowmans wolf as an engineer to fix it up
[05:16]	DaemonFC	They had a house out near where my grandmother lived with a nice big private lake and everything.
[05:17]	DaemonFC	So, like, uhhhh, not Tondo.
[05:17]	matey	i cant tell if its intended as sci fi or a furry fantasy but it seems to be mostly the former
[05:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	Berlind left zdnet 14 years ago https://www.zdnet.com/blog/berlind/
[05:17]	TR Bot	Testbed | ZDNet
[05:17]	DaemonFC	Anyway, those were the only people I had ever met from the Philippines until 2019.
[05:17]	matey	and the writing is great
[05:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.zdnet.com/article/farewell-to-zdnet-and-cnet/
[05:17]	TR Bot	to ZDNet (and CNET) | ZDNet
[05:17]	matey	at least as good as red warf (but not as hilarious)
[05:17]	DaemonFC	But I knew that Pirillo's wife was from there.
[05:17]	DaemonFC	And that's an obvious Green Card marriage.
[05:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	""
[05:17]	matey	red dwarf. though communist klingons would be amusing
[05:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	If you were an auditor asked to examine the human resources records of CNET (parent company to ZDNet), you'd discover that even though the company was officially founded in 1992, that there's a handful of employees whose hire dates actually precede that year. My colleague Dan Farber is one of them.
[05:17]	DaemonFC	I don't mean to insult her, but rather him.
[05:18]	matey	im sure thats what they were based on anyway
[05:18]	DaemonFC	Like, such an asshole that nobody would tolerate him if they didn't have to go to Immigration every couple of years.
[05:18]	matey	memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Depicting_Klingons
[05:18]	matey	The depiction of the Klingon species, the iconic aggressive warrior race from the planet Qo'noS, has evolved throughout the years from a simple analogy of the American fear of Cold War -era Russians to a depiction of a complex and proud tradition-bound people who value honor as well as combat prestige.
[05:18]	DaemonFC	He was mistreating her right on his livestream.
[05:18]	DaemonFC	I mean, almost like he wanted to make a spectacle out of it.
[05:19]	schestowitz-TR	05:06] <schestowitz-TR> LT (noty Torvalds, Linux Today) is "Done For"... I know what happens after these choices are made, like 
[05:19]	schestowitz-TR	[05:06] <schestowitz-TR> FOSSForce... after its marketing spam as posts
[05:19]	schestowitz-TR	[05:06] <schestowitz-TR> eeking out a few $s on the way out
[05:19]	DaemonFC	I remember listening to that and going "Not cool. You do not address your spouse that way! And you especially don't do it in public.".
[05:20]	matey	PERHAPS TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO OVERTHROW THE BOURGEOISIE!
[05:20]	britney	matey, gkhnux
[05:20]	matey	hehehe
[05:20]	DaemonFC	He was not being "mean" so much as being really needy, like making her wait on him hand and foot.
[05:20]	britney	<matey> PERHAPS TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO OVERTHROW THE BOURGEOISIE! <--- yaaas!
[05:20]	matey	no matter how much i make fun of icke, youre okay
[05:20]	DaemonFC	Which is mean, in a sense, I guess.
[05:20]	MinceR	systemd-kerneld
[05:21]	matey	 <MinceR> systemd-kerneld <- would not surprise many of us
[05:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	aka linux-azure
[05:21]	DaemonFC	Neediness is not a turn on for most people.
[05:21]	britney	matey, icke talks about reptilians too
[05:21]	matey	i know
[05:21]	matey	but if i do its mostly for fun
[05:21]	MinceR	maybe they'll rebrand systemd to azured
[05:21]	MinceR	and then it could be azured-kerneld
[05:21]	britney	for the lulz is always good
[05:21]	DaemonFC	I'm considering installing Rocky Linux on one of my older systems and using it to host a Gemini pod.
[05:21]	MinceR	"finally many people use something that has azure in the name! we've won!"
[05:21]	matey	<MinceR> maybe they'll rebrand systemd to azure <- par for the course
[05:21]	DaemonFC	It's a real computer that I control that's sitting in my house.
[05:22]	matey	<britney> matey, icke talks about reptilians too <- once everything is a metaphor, even most of the wildest claims are true
[05:22]	matey	but as long as we take things literally... i doubt the moon is actually hollow
[05:22]	MinceR	MICROS~1 management should get their heads checked, because their attempts to get users^W hostages are pathetic.
[05:22]	MinceR	not that it would help
[05:22]	DaemonFC	If people would stop using Bloated Shit from the W3C and GULAG then they could definitely host their own Web site, even on their home PC and home Internet connection.
[05:22]	britney	matey, reptilians drink human blood to maintain the shapeshifting ability
[05:23]	MinceR	afaik mental institutions always had trouble keeping ASPD people inside
[05:23]	matey	the earth is a spaceship, but shes got no thrusters (and her shields arent the best)
[05:23]	MinceR	what sort of spaceship is that?
[05:23]	britney	matey, the hollow moon is a space ship
[05:23]	MinceR	you believe in the moon?
[05:23]	DaemonFC	It's not that the Web necessarily has to be bloated. You can fall back to older standards and it won't be a big hassle to set up a server.
[05:23]	britney	the moon matrix
[05:23]	MinceR	the moon hologram
[05:23]	MinceR	and the earth hologram
[05:23]	TR News	"The rapid closure of businesses needs to be seen in tandem with the high job losses witnessed in recent months. The aggregate unemployment rate has jumped into the double-digit category in May 2021 with the average for May being nearly 12%." https://www.newsclick.in/five-lakh-companies-shut-shop-2016-saw-triple-whammy-DeMo-GST-COVID-19
[05:23]	TR Bot	 Five Lakh Companies Shut Shop Since 2016 That Saw Triple Whammy of DeMo, GST, COVID-19 | NewsClick
[05:24]	britney	the moon matrix mind controls the human race
[05:24]	matey	 <MinceR> you believe in the moon? <- its ok to shoot the moon https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pAur4CWJIPw (especially in self defence)
[05:24]	TR Bot	 The Lovin' Spoonful - Darling Be Home Soon (Audio) - Invidious
[05:24]	TR News	We need to get rid of Facebook https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/26/23278718/leap-second-computer-chaos-meta-backs-campaign-to-end-it
[05:24]	TR Bot	 Leap seconds cause chaos for computers so Meta wants to get rid of them - The Verge
[05:25]	britney	matey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJ3LIA5LmA
[05:25]	TR Bot	https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=GTJ3LIA5LmA
[05:25]	TR Bot	invidio.xamh.de | Mr. Show - Blow Up the Moon - Invidious
[05:25]	matey	also the moon is vulnerable to lassos https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uAERYfeiYBc
[05:25]	TR Bot	 It's a Wonderful Life (2/9) Movie CLIP - Lasso the Moon (1946) HD - Invidious
[05:25]	TR News	Two Weeks In, the Webb Space Telescope Is Reshaping Astronomy https://www.quantamagazine.org/two-weeks-in-the-webb-space-telescope-is-reshaping-astronomy-20220725/
[05:25]	TR Bot	 Quanta Magazine
[05:25]	matey	but you can eat it
[05:27]	TR News	"Forking out billions in subsidies and grants to support gas, and the money is used to sue farmers and muzzle journalists." https://michaelwest.com.au/fracking-hell-gas-grants-to-fight-farmers-muzzle-critics/
[05:27]	TR Bot	 Fracking hell: gas grants to fight farmers, muzzle critics - Michael West
[05:27]	matey	she throws better than she sings
[05:28]	matey	<britney> matey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJ3LIA5LmA <- i would be worried about the tides
[05:29]	matey	i suppose we could switch to tide pods
[05:29]	britney	im all in favour of blowing up the moon
[05:29]	britney	just to see if you can
[05:29]	matey	can we at least get silicon valley to move there first
[05:30]	matey	<britney> just to see if you can <- to be fair thats a terrible reason
[05:30]	britney	in dragon ball Z, picolo blows up the moon and its glorious
[05:30]	matey	ok thats a fair point
[05:30]	matey	picolo is kind of a dick though
[05:30]	britney	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfSVLxXpfTI
[05:30]	TR Bot	https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=sfSVLxXpfTI
[05:30]	TR Bot	invidio.xamh.de | Dragon Ball Z Piccolo destroys Earth's Moon - Invidious
[05:33]	matey	well i can honestly say i didnt expect to see gokus dick today
[05:33]	matey	was that goku?
[05:35]	matey	i only know dbz from the abridged version and that was 10 years ago
[05:35]	matey	of course i should know which one is goku. but there it is.
[05:36]	matey	/me doesnt even know the name of the guy who gets the nosebleeds over bulma
[05:36]	britney	lol
[05:36]	britney	that wasnt goku, its goku's son
[05:36]	matey	ah, ok
[05:36]	britney	gohan
[05:37]	matey	yeah i didnt know goku turned into a gorilla with red eyes, but that wasnt him so 
[05:37]	matey	and i didnt know why he was younger, but "thats his son" explains it
[05:38]	matey	even the abridged version was mostly a mystery to me
[05:38]	matey	it was funny at least
[05:44]	MinceR	https://i.redd.it/434wuyk8ojxz.jpg
[05:47]	MinceR	https://social.tulsa.ok.us/@Elizafox/108728562843826961
[05:47]	TR Bot	 Elizafox, unbound dremora: "Weather radio told me "avoid windows" and I'm all" - Tulsa Social
[05:49]	matey	theres a problem with that approach mincer
[05:50]	MinceR	i know
[05:50]	matey	you cant trump them with "you believe in the moon" because someone already thinks space is fake
[05:50]	MinceR	how can space be real if our eyes aren't real?
[05:50]	MinceR	also, https://i.imgflip.com/29g26g.jpg
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[05:51]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ghw0I4ZSlfI
[05:51]	TR Bot	 Vaquero - "Space is fake" - Invidious
[05:52]	MinceR	fake is fake
[05:53]	matey	not the song i was looking for
[05:53]	matey	this was a country song called "space is fake" 
[05:54]	MinceR	these aren't the songs you're looking for
[05:54]	matey	maybe this one https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WcqKUhU0WDc
[05:54]	TR Bot	 Space is Fake! - Conspiracy Music Guru - Invidious
[05:54]	MinceR	he can go about his business.
[05:54]	MinceR	move along.
[05:54]	matey	yep
[05:54]	matey	thats the one
[05:54]	matey	my god...
[05:55]	matey	i used to live around these people
[05:55]	matey	/me points to the mason dixon line
[05:55]	matey	theyre not all like that :/
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[05:59]	matey	/me doesnt think the moon is fake, just gross https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3wGMsOhaPJs
[05:59]	TR Bot	 That 1 Guy - The Moon is Disgusting (live) - Invidious
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[06:05]	DaemonFC	I hope the liver and onions I make tomorrow is good.
[06:05]	DaemonFC	Never ran into another one I really liked more than MCL Cafeteria's.
[06:05]	DaemonFC	They had it every Thursday.
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[06:09]	matey	it didnt start with space though, the great satanic ritualists are faking gravity, magnetism and electricity too
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[06:10]	matey	this computer is actually just a piece of cardboard
[06:10]	matey	thats how powerful the human imagination is, people
[06:11]	matey	you can use it for good or for evil
[06:11]	matey	granted i only bought this "computer" for surfing articles
[06:12]	matey	i used to read the articles until i found out they were fake
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[06:12]	MinceR	i told you they're faking the earth
[06:12]	matey	kindle is worse, you pay for every "book" you read on it but of course those dont exist
[06:13]	matey	<MinceR> i told you they're faking the earth <- its (literally) turtles all the way down
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[06:13]	matey	they just painted one blue and splashed a bunch of water on it
[06:13]	matey	what a scam
[06:13]	DaemonFC	https://www.chicagotribune.com/dining/recipes/ct-kfc-recipe-test-20160818-story.html
[06:14]	TR Bot	 KFC recipe challenge: Tribune kitchen puts the 11 herbs and spices to the test Chicago Tribune
[06:14]	matey	like we are supposed to believe its all turtles EXCEPT one is a planet on top? 
[06:14]	matey	makes no sense
[06:14]	DaemonFC	I might make chicken gizzards with KFC's original recipe seasoning on them.
[06:14]	DaemonFC	Walmart still sells gizzards really cheap.
[06:14]	matey	planet turtle, yeah okay buddy
[06:19]	matey	"the sun is a continuous thermonuclear explosion"-- this is chris hadfield, who to be fair is an astronaut and not (afaik) a physicist
[06:20]	matey	but i was saying the other day, you could easily argue the sun is already exploding
[06:22]	MinceR	matey: psh, you believe in turtles?
[06:22]	MinceR	gizzard wizard
[06:26]	matey	 <MinceR> matey: psh, you believe in turtles <- i thought i had one as a pet once, but it was just my imaginary friend
[06:26]	matey	everyone else went along with it
[06:27]	matey	"oh yes, thats a very nice turtle, whats his name"
[06:27]	MinceR	you were programmed to believe in turtles
[06:27]	matey	yeah by those damned cartoon ninjas
[06:27]	matey	"turtles are real!"
[06:27]	matey	"of course they are, sweetie"
[06:28]	MinceR	those cartoon ninjas aren't real either
[06:28]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y
[06:28]	TR Bot	 Zombie Kid Likes Turtles - Invidious
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[08:02]	TR Bot	 GNOME 43 Plans to Introduce Redesigned Quick Settings | Tux Machines
[08:03]	TR News	GNU/Linux user share on Steam continues rising highest for years again https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/linux-user-share-on-steam-continues-rising-m-highest-for-years-again/
[08:03]	TR Bot	user share on Steam continues rising highest for years again | GamingOnLinux
[08:04]	TR News	Two companies that ought not exist at all https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/2/23288589/microsoft-outlook-app-crash-uber-email-receipts Outlook = malware platform
[08:04]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Outlook crashing when viewing Uber receipt emails - The Verge
[08:05]	TR News	A sysadmins guide to network interface configuration files | https://opensource.com/article/22/8/network-configuration-files Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//opensource.com/article/22/8/network-configuration-files
[08:05]	TR Bot	sysadmin's guide to network interface configuration files | Opensource.com
[08:07]	TR News	Telangana's Agriculture data management policy: The good, bad, and ugly. https://internetfreedom.in/telanganas-agriculture-data-management-policy-the-good-bad-and-ugly/ Source: internetfreedom | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//internetfreedom.in/telanganas-agriculture-data-management-policy-the-good-bad-and-ugly/
[08:07]	TR Bot	 Telangana's Agriculture data management policy: The good, bad, and ugly.
[08:08]	TR News	What does ICBM know about culture? It ruined so much in the Red Hat culture, causing workers, clients, and communities to flee... https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/it-leadership-improve-team-culture-now
[08:08]	TR Bot	 5 powerful ways to improve your IT team's culture right now | The Enterprisers Project
[08:10]	TR News	"enterprises have maintained or even increased productivity, the transition to remote work has proven challenging for relationship-building" = Bullshit! You just don't control the slaves and 'suits' became redundant https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/connections-disconnected-workplace
[08:10]	TR Bot	 4 tips for building connections in a disconnected workplace | The Enterprisers Project
[08:12]	TR News	Linux Kernel 6.0 is Likely the Next Version Upgrade With Initial Rust Code http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167861#comment-34497
[08:12]	TR Bot	 Linux Kernel 5.19 Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
[08:14]	TR News	IBM-sponsored (disclose missing) marketing fluff https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/03/jd-edwards-customers-face-support-decisions/
[08:14]	TR Bot	 JD Edwards Customers Face Support Decisions - IT Jungle
[08:15]	TR News	marketing spam... look at the wording. Puh-lease! https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/03/security-automation-and-cloud-top-midrange-it-priorities-study-says/
[08:15]	TR Bot	 Security, Automation, and Cloud Top Midrange IT Priorities, Study Says - IT Jungle
[08:16]	TR News	"Modernization" creeping into IBM-sponsored narratives (PR). It means vendor lock-in. https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/03/cleo-and-srinsoft-in-integration-modernization-link-up/
[08:16]	TR Bot	 Cleo and SrinSoft in Integration-Modernization Link Up - IT Jungle
[08:17]	TR News	Some more IBM-sponsored fluff, storytelling instead of journalism https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/03/four-hundred-monitor-august-3/
[08:17]	TR Bot	 Four Hundred Monitor, August 3 - IT Jungle
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[08:17]	TR News	And IBM holes https://www.itjungle.com/2022/08/03/ibm-i-ptf-guide-volume-24-number-31/
[08:17]	TR Bot	 IBM i PTF Guide, Volume 24, Number 31 - IT Jungle
[08:19]	TR News	ICBM has always been good at buying and manipulating the media. Microsoft learned this from IBM. Lately Intel too was bribing the media a lot. And look what's happening. QUARTERLY LOSSES. They cannot even hide this with "creative" accounting...
[08:22]	TR News	For over a decade ICBM was sending people to talk to me, trying to manipulate how Techrights was covering ICBM. Each time they did this I 'ousted' the attempts. Now, imagine how much they do this WITHOUT PEOPLE WHO DO NOT OUST SUCH ATTEMPTS!
[08:23]	TR News	Play Crossword Puzzle Games on Linux Desktop With this Brand New GNOME App - Its FOSS https://itsfoss.com/crosswords/ Source: ItsFOSS | GNU | Linux | Freesw | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itsfoss.com/crosswords/
[08:23]	TR Bot	 Play Crossword Puzzle Games on Linux Desktop With this Brand New GNOME App - It's FOSS
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[08:45]	TR News	OBS Studio 28.0 beta released, set to be an enormous release - Neowin https://www.neowin.net/news/obs-studio-280-beta-released-set-to-be-an-enormous-release/ Source: neowin | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.neowin.net/news/obs-studio-280-beta-released-set-to-be-an-enormous-release/
[08:45]	TR Bot	 OBS Studio 28.0 beta released, set to be an enormous release - Neowin
[08:46]	TR News	guru3d.com is a dead site, defunct. Gulag Noise should delist it. This is like the TENTH time I see such spam in 2 weeks. https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ad-linux-will-be-fasterpay-just-13-for-lifetime-license-microsoft-windows-10-to-play-everything%EF%BC%81.html
[08:46]	TR Bot	 Ad: Linux will be faster, pay just $13 for lifetime license Microsoft Windows 10 to play everything
[08:53]	TR News	The high cost of "self-funded" Democrats https://pluralistic.net/2022/08/02/oligarchs-r-us/
[08:53]	TR Bot	 Pluralistic: 02 Aug 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
[08:56]	matey	so 1. heads, which is coreboot based, is still around
[08:56]	matey	2. they added leahs nvmutil to it
[08:57]	matey	https://notabug.org/osboot/nvmutil/
[08:57]	TR Bot	Newer fork of nvmutils, rewritten as a single C file. This program can modify Intel PHY NVM images for gigabit NICs, e.g. change MAC address, set checksums, etc. - NotABug.org: Free code hosting
[08:58]	matey	"This program lets you modify the MAC address, correct/verify/invalidate checksums, swap/copy and dump regions on Intel PHY NVM images, which are small binary configuration files that go in flash, for Gigabit (ethernet) Intel NICs."
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[09:02]	matey	"My stress test is always: stress util, run xsensors and: high-pace video downscaled real-time and/or glmark2... If <90c for 1+ hour and video doesn't lag, it's good to go.
[09:18]	matey	article rendered fucking useless by relevant image examples that will never. fucking. load.
[09:18]	matey	https://medium.com/codex/stop-using-malloc-what-every-good-developer-needs-to-know-about-memory-allocation-cae2aa39b6d9
[09:18]	TR Bot	Using malloc! What Every Good Developer Needs to Know About Memory Allocation | by Marius Debussche | CodeX | Medium
[09:19]	matey	medium has been a festering welt on the anus of the web for years
[09:19]	matey	it barely renders text and it fucks up everything else
[09:20]	matey	i wonder what kind of especially low-grade crack you have to smoke to think "hey, you know what would be a great thing to blog with? medium!"
[09:20]	matey	even wordpress is a saner choice-- what else do you need to know about it
[09:20]	matey	and i dont mean the shitty bloated hosted yourself version
[09:20]	matey	i mean the shittier, bloatier destroy-the-internet "free" version
[09:21]	matey	if only medium was hosted in ukraine, at least putin could have done ONE good thing while there
[09:31]	matey	"The precise spelling of all of these new keywords is as Predefined Macros, defined by the compiler. This may feel like a distinction without a difference, but the distinction is what allows us to do this without breaking existing user code." https://thephd.dev/ever-closer-c23-improvements
[09:31]	TR Bot	 Ever Closer - C23 Draws Nearer | The Pasture
[09:31]	matey	i like when people truly give a shit about backwards compatibility
[09:32]	matey	"Most compilers emit a warning since its likely unintended for you to stomp all over existing macro space, but what this means is that its entirely backwards compatible for your code to continue to #define bool int or whatever horrific crimes you were committing in days gone by."
[09:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	backwards compatibility = bad for "buisness"
[09:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	"DO YOU WANT TO STARVE !!!'
[09:33]	matey	Folks who were using a typedef instead, such as
[09:33]	matey	typedef int bool;
[09:33]	matey	May need to use #undef bool to get around the issue, or scope their typedef inside of an #if statement:<schestowitz[TR2]> "DO YOU WANT TO STARVE !!!' <- lol is that why rust is perpetually incompatible with itself?
[09:34]	TR News	Red Hat / IBM Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167949
[09:34]	TR Bot	 Red Hat / IBM Fluff | Tux Machines
[09:34]	TR News	OBS Studio 28.0 Promises 10-Bit Color Support and HDR Video Encoding, Qt 6 Port, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167950
[09:34]	TR Bot	 OBS Studio 28.0 Promises 10-Bit Color Support and HDR Video Encoding, Qt 6 Port, and More | Tux Machines
[09:35]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, August 02, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/03/irc-log-020822/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/03/irc-log-020822/
[09:35]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, August 02, 2022 | Techrights
[09:36]	matey	 And that brings us to the TenDRA compiler, which can use 0x55555555 for its null pointer representation, if you like.
[09:36]	matey	So heres an implementation of C compiling to x86 where the value of NULL is 0, but the underlying byte-by-byte representation is 0x55555555.
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[09:38]	matey	and theyre getting rid of k&r declarations
[09:39]	matey	which i would be pissed about, except that theres ample evidence that k&r would have supported it, and it was only there for a million years to avoid breaking shit, but they were still tempted
[09:39]	matey	i guess theyre error prone and worth avoiding anyway, so 
[09:39]	matey	/me shrugs
[09:40]	matey	ritchie didnt love the old declarations
[09:41]	matey	and considered parameter prototypes the most important change in the ansi standard
[09:43]	matey	he points out that even if its been deprecated for a third of a century, the chances of gcc or clang removing compatibility switches for the old standards is about 0%
[09:44]	matey	if python was this meticulous id probably fall in love with every new version of it
[09:44]	matey	except the microsoft ones, obviously
[09:45]	matey	Variably-Modified Types are types which, like VLAs, are dependent on some runtime information. But, unlike VLAs, they do not do any of the allocation and its associated pitfalls: it just represents a type that keeps its own size around (in bytes). The way they do this is by, essentially, taking the syntax space of pointer to VLA and similar.
[09:47]	matey	VMTs are still useful when used locally within a function, but as a means of actual transportation of information across functions and structures they continue to leave a lot to be desired. Walter Brights criticism of C continues to be relevant to this day, and we continue to have bugs where developers misinterpret or otherwise get the size wrong.
[09:47]	matey	https://www.digitalmars.com/articles/C-biggest-mistake.html
[09:47]	TR Bot	 Cs Biggest Mistake - Digital Mars
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[09:49]	matey	This seemingly innocuous convenience feature is the root of endless evil. It means that once arrays leave the scope in which they are defined, they become pointers, and lose the information which gives the extent of the array the array dimension. What are the consequences of losing this information? 
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[09:50]	matey	An alternative must be used. For strings, its the whole reason for the 0 terminator. For other arrays, it is inferred programmatically from the context. Naturally, every situation is different, and so an endless array (!) of bugs ensues. 
[09:50]	matey	The galaxy of C string functions, from the unsafe strcpy() to sprintf() onwards, is a direct result. There are various attempts at fixing this, such as the Safe C Library. Then there are all the buffer overflows, because functions handed a pointer have no idea what the limits are, and no array bounds checking is possible. 
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[09:57]	mjg59_	matey: Yeah turns out that C's design decisions weren't great
[09:58]	mjg59_	pascal's string format was better in this respect but then of course you can't just treat random blocks of memory as strings
[09:58]	matey	im not listening to this shit from someone who thinks rust is good
[09:58]	matey	i agree with the example, but not where youre most likely going with this
[09:59]	matey	ill simply go with mincer over what you say about language design on anything i dont have a personal opinion on already
[09:59]	mjg59_	Hey I think people can disagree about whether Rust's design decisions are good but that doesn't mean they need to say C is good
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[10:00]	matey	i agree that theres no logically-defensible reason why the two would be related, its clearly a fallacy
[10:00]	matey	of course conclusions drawn from fallacies can be still be true
[10:00]	mjg59_	I think C is bad and I tend towards Rust is good and you don't need to agree with both of those
[10:00]	matey	and my own leaps have enabled me to predict some of your worst actions, so
[10:00]	matey	going with experience until it lets me down
[10:00]	matey	its not a perfect system-- then again, nothing is
[10:01]	matey	short version: i trust mincers opinion more
[10:02]	matey	but i also agree with walter bright on this
[10:02]	matey	the things that make c unattractive to me are pretty bad, for me, in my opinion
[10:03]	matey	i have yet to see an alternative that doesnt look even worse, that is still a real alternative to c-- again in my opinion
[10:03]	matey	for example, im tempted to look at c++ this way. i think thats generous, but its also reasonable.
[10:03]	matey	it may be wildly incorrect-- but a mistake can be a reasonable one.
[10:03]	mjg59_	c++ definitely provides alternatives to a bunch of C's failings
[10:04]	mjg59_	But it doesn't mandate them, so it's still hard to review
[10:04]	matey	sadly it doesnt (according to someone i was reading today) fix arrays are pointers.
[10:04]	matey	well there you go, you think mandating good practices in a language is a good thing
[10:04]	mjg59_	Yeah it has objects that allow you to just never do that
[10:04]	matey	and i think it is a good thing in extreme instances
[10:05]	mjg59_	But you can still just fuck with memory directly if you want
[10:05]	matey	 Yeah it has objects that allow you to just never do that <- thats a nasty way to get out of a simple array
[10:05]	mjg59_	Like C++ has std::string that has an actual ideal of length
[10:05]	matey	of course, when python does it i dont complain-- so this may be purely hypocritical. but then im the one who recognises the possibility
[10:05]	matey	 C++ has std::string that has an actual ideal of length <- an "ideal"
[10:05]	mjg59_	Er, idea
[10:05]	mjg59_	Not ideal
[10:05]	matey	oh
[10:05]	matey	when you said ideal
[10:06]	matey	i read it like "ideally, its this length"
[10:06]	matey	"but really, its anyones guess!"
[10:06]	matey	which i admire the honesty, but as a design idea its depression
[10:06]	matey	depressing
[10:06]	matey	you meant the concept
[10:06]	mjg59_	Once something's in a std::string you can just work on it without worrying about running off the end
[10:06]	matey	that is nice
[10:07]	matey	i mean pascal had no problems with this
[10:07]	matey	basic fixed the issue in 1964 ffs, before c was even written
[10:08]	matey	but to be fair
[10:08]	matey	c does get closer to the metal, and the metal (by design) generally does not give a shit
[10:08]	matey	cpu: *willy wonka meme* "tell more more about these 'strings' you keep going on about..."
[10:09]	matey	still, as a feature it never felt like asking the world to get it right
[10:32]	mjg59_	We build a lot of abstractions on the metal to make it behave more reasonably
[10:32]	mjg59_	Also crap like Spectre has kind of taught us that the metal doesn't behave in the way that languages assume it does
[10:34]	matey	 <mjg59_> We build a lot of abstractions on the metal to make it behave more reasonably <- im a big fan of many of those
[10:35]	matey	however, the fact that c is closer to the metal is a feature
[10:35]	matey	 Also crap like Spectre has kind of taught us that the metal doesn't behave in the way <- youre really trying to blame the wrong thing here
[10:35]	matey	intel is a scam
[10:36]	matey	and x86 should be deprecated universally
[10:36]	psydruid	we should be grateful for the existence of intel and x86
[10:36]	matey	lol
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[10:38]	psydruid	so that certain mercenary developers spend all their time messing with that and don't have the time and motivation to infect other hardware with their malware
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[10:48]	mjg59_	matey: It's not just Intel - aspects of this have hit AMD, ARM, and POWER
[10:49]	mjg59_	Intel definitely seems to be hit worst, but it's not entirely clear how much of this is Intel being worse and how much is people focusing on Intel because they've historically been the most interesting vendor
[10:49]	mjg59_	Things might change as AMD get more traction in the server space
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[10:54]	matey	i dont care much about POWER and amd is still x86
[10:54]	matey	i get what youre saying about arm
[10:55]	matey	without free hardware, free software is going to become an increasingly inadequate solution
[10:55]	matey	oliva and i used to talk about this, and he completely failed to convince me that you didnt have to worry about this shit as long as you ran free software
[10:57]	matey	i think the fsf is oblivious to threats moving to hardware that free software and free firmware have failed to alleviate
[10:57]	matey	or when their approach to firmware makes it more impossible to fix (or even research, thus fix in a free way)
[10:57]	TR News	Space Force https://text.npr.org/1113936229 | Source: NPR
[10:57]	TR Bot	 The Space Force is scrapping the annual fitness test in favor of wearable trackers
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[11:01]	TR News	Activision Blizzard https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/sony-says-xboxs-call-of-duty-acquisition-could-influence-users-console-choice-microsoft-responds | Source: Windows Central
[11:01]	TR Bot	 Sony says Xboxs Call of Duty acquisition could influence users console choice, Microsoft responds | Windows Central
[11:01]		*psydruid doesn't even understand having closed source system firmware in this day and age
[11:02]	mjg59_	Requiring closed source firmware to boot a CPU is obscene
[11:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	Intel's grove: only the paranod survive
[11:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	Intel's otelini: let's commit crimes to surveive
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_Crimes_and_Offences
[11:04]	TR Bot	 Intel Crimes and Offences - Techrights
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	he even has a mafia-sounding name
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	the last intel CEO should have been arfrested
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	he commited crimes
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	then "resigned"
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	welcome to america
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	land of white-collar crime... with get-out-of-jail card
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	Microoft Peters's crime were not erlated to his work
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	so he couldm not just "resign" to avoid proseuction
[11:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/another-theranos-moment/
[11:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	resigned
[11:07]	TR Bot	 Microsoft, EPO Awards, and Sexual Abuse (Theranos All Over Again) | Techrights
[11:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	no consequences
[11:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/alex-kipman-vs-antonio-campinos/
[11:07]	TR Bot	 [Meme] No Diplomatic Immunity for Alex Kipman | Techrights
[11:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	if you want to commit a crime, and you want to be free, go to USA
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	you can eveeeen fly pedoplanes
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	just make sure you get good lawyers
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	to stave off scrutiny
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	and buy a few news [sic] papers
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	like MbS did
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	and after murdering US journaaaalists he fist-bumped Biden
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	high-fioved Putin months after the murder
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	Trump told him he owed him because "I saved your *ass"
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	criminal syndicatedn up at the top
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	well-connected, so only swartz gets prosecuted
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[11:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	the people who arrange for bribes from child-sec-trafficking to MIT
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	they "resigned"
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the payer, gates, is still habitually hailed as a hero by media he bribes
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_ will help
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	he will co-found a petityion
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	to deflect attention to the founder of gnu/linux
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	to deflect attention
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	away from bill gates, jeffrey epstein, and their actual enablers at mit
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	bonus point: you hurt fsf and get JOB OFFERS.. from Microsoft
[11:11]	TR News	SteamOS https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/steamos-33-and-steam-deck-client-updates-released-for-all-users/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:11]	TR Bot	3.3 and Steam Deck Client updates released for all users | GamingOnLinux
[11:12]	TR News	"OBS Studio 28.0 Beta" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/obs-studio-280-beta-1-brings-linux-improvements-lots-of-new-features/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:12]	TR Bot	Studio 28.0 Beta 1 brings Linux improvements, lots of new features | GamingOnLinux
[11:13]	TR News	OBS Studio 28.0 Beta 1 brings Linux improvements, lots of new features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167950#comment-34499
[11:13]	TR Bot	 OBS Studio 28.0 Promises 10-Bit Color Support and HDR Video Encoding, Qt 6 Port, and More | Tux Machines
[11:13]	TR News	"It's a fresh month which means a new curated monthly bundle with the Humble Choice" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/humble-choice-has-the-ascent-hot-wheels-unleashed-a-plague-tale-innocence/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:13]	TR Bot	Choice has The Ascent, Hot Wheels Unleashed, A Plague Tale: Innocence | GamingOnLinux
[11:15]	TR News	ScummVM 2.6.0 out now with more retro game support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167913#comment-34500
[11:15]	TR Bot	 ScummVM 2.6.0 or: Insane Escapism | Tux Machines
[11:15]	matey	 Requiring closed source firmware to boot a CPU is obscene <- i agree
[11:15]	matey	how to fix that and make it so thats not required is the issue
[11:16]	matey	 if you want to commit a crime, and you want to be free, go to USA <- thats not exactly how it works
[11:17]	matey	he will co-found a petityion <- pettytion?
[11:17]	matey	like a petition, but petty?
[11:17]	matey	/me high-fives synergy for that one
[11:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	hehe, that's the worst typo of them alkl
[11:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	not dyslexic, just typing while standing or sometitmes typing too fast adn not borthering to check
[11:19]	matey	/me can think of a range of pettytions from 2018 to 2021
[11:19]	TR News	"DXVK is a Direct3D to Vulkan translation layer used in Proton, to help run Windows games on Linux and Steam Deck." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/dxvk-1103-out-with-work-for-halo-infinite-plus-better-stray-performance-for-proton/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:19]	TR Bot	1.10.3 out with work for Halo Infinite plus better Stray performance for Proton | GamingOnLinux
[11:19]	TR News	Scrabdackle https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/check-out-the-new-scrabdackle-demo-a-scribbly-hand-drawn-zelda-like-adventure/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:19]	TR Bot	out the new Scrabdackle demo, a scribbly hand-drawn Zelda-like adventure | GamingOnLinux
[11:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	pettytions = pretty please, fsf, remove your own founder
[11:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	signed, people who work on azure and get job offers from microsoft
[11:20]	matey	and debian
[11:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Debian"
[11:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	many DDs work for companies
[11:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	and some are not exactly commited to Debian values
[11:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	and few disclosure their commercial interests as DDs
[11:21]	matey	to the point where debian no longer appears to have any
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	one of my colleagues at work was a DDD
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	Ban Bell
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	aka bbell
[11:21]	matey	they remove people with values and keep people without them
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	*Ben
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: they surround themselves with like-minded peopl
[11:21]	matey	fsvov
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	ewho cannot chastise them
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	who are you here for, Canonical?
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	Oh, I'm here for Gulag,, I love Ubuntu BTW
[11:22]	britney	i use arch btw
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	in work, shits bring other shits
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	until the org collapse
[11:22]	matey	<britney> i use arch btw XD
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	it improve the personal survivcal chances
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	at the expenses of the survival of the org itself
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	so not collective survival
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	they hoard andll the lifeboatss
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/06/29/c-and-d-players/
[11:23]	TR Bot	 EPO is Building a Team of C and D Players | Techrights
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	Steve Jobs has a saying that A players hire A players; B players hire C players; and C players hire D players. It doesnt take long to get to Z players. This trickle-down effect causes bozo explosions in companies.
[11:23]	matey	steve jobs was a bozo
[11:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	z player
[11:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	not playing much
[11:24]	matey	but he knew how to make money (as long as it was with apple)
[11:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	just bullying people
[11:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	he's no longer making money btw
[11:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	worked himself to death
[11:24]	matey	im not sure thats what happened
[11:25]	TR News	"Shadows of Adam is a JRPG inspired retro game from Something Classic Games that released back in 2017" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/inspired-by-classic-jrpgs-shadows-of-adam-gets-improved-linux-and-steam-deck-support/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:25]	TR Bot	by classic JRPGs, Shadows of Adam gets improved Linux and Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux
[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: I was told by people who know him personally
[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	when apple sacked him it harmed his health a lot
[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	now, I don't know what factors could contribute to his cancer
[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	but he also dealth poorly with iut
[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	*dealt
[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	not a freudian slip btw
[11:26]	matey	no, you just have your keyboard set to "gollum"
[11:26]	TR News	"The free and open source first-person strategy shooter Unvanquished has a new Beta release" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/free-first-person-strategy-shooter-unvanquished-version-053-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:26]	TR Bot	first-person strategy shooter Unvanquished version 0.53 out now | GamingOnLinux
[11:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	donth youth sayth dith to me
[11:26]	matey	mine is set to mr magoo
[11:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	the rapper?
[11:27]	matey	didnt know there was a rapper by that name
[11:27]	matey	i mean the one voiced by mr howell
[11:27]	matey	whos name wasnt actually mr howell
[11:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=APHonXLtEEY
[11:27]	TR Bot	 Timbaland & Magoo - Luv 2 Luv Ya (Original Video) - Invidious
[11:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=q5-QyiJepbM
[11:27]	TR Bot	 What Happened to Magoo? - Invidious
[11:27]	matey	but thats the name he was best known by
[11:28]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xQcBXqHBcZM
[11:28]	TR Bot	 Gilligans Island -Classic Mr Howell on how to live if you win $1 million - Invidious
[11:28]	TR News	"Love exploration and mining? Want to do it with many explosions? Check out the new Native Linux release of BLASTRONAUT." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/blastronaut-is-a-fresh-mining-game-full-of-explosions/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:28]	TR Bot	is a fresh mining game full of explosions | GamingOnLinux
[11:28]	TR News	"Frogun is a brand new Native Linux release, designed in the spirit of the PlayStation 1 and Nintendo 64 era, this is a proper classic 3D platformer. Note: key provided by their PR team." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/frogun-is-a-3d-platformer-with-the-soul-of-a-nintendo-64-game/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:28]	TR Bot	is a 3D platformer with the soul of a Nintendo 64 game | GamingOnLinux
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[11:33]	TR News	"The OpenNCC NCB is an accelerated AI reference platform fully developed by EyeCloud.AI. This board can be interfaced with Raspberry Pi board." https://linuxgizmos.com/openncc-ncb-an-open-source-alternative-to-intels-neural-compute-stick-2/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[11:33]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/openncc-ncb-an-open-source-alternative-to-intels-neural-compute-stick-2/ )
[11:34]	TR News	What does it have to do with Linux??? The users of GNU/Linux should strive to avoid such low-grade, defective products from Microsofters. https://linuxgizmos.com/full-size-picmg-1-3-slot-cpu-card-supports-10th-11th-gen-intel-processors/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[11:34]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/full-size-picmg-1-3-slot-cpu-card-supports-10th-11th-gen-intel-processors/ )
[11:35]	TR News	"The root partition will be 4 GiB big. /varwill be on a separate, 10 GiB big partition" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/using-hosted-image-builder-its-api | Source: Red Hat Official
[11:35]	TR Bot	 Using hosted image builder via its API
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: did you consider getting your own blog domain? no ads..
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	(and not registered via wordpress.com to fake controlling it)
[11:38]	TR News	Where is OStattic today? Dead, gone. They tried to peddle Microsoft talking points, but like Softpedia's coup it led to a lack of audience. As for Sam Dean, the editor, Zemlin and Sheela Microsoft Foundation canned HIM TOO.
[11:38]	TR News	"The business owner or customers cannot interact with the eCommerce system without an OS." https://www.unixmen.com/linux-or-windows-for-ecommerce/ | Source: Unix Men
[11:38]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/linux-or-windows-for-ecommerce/ )
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[11:41]	TR News	'Linux' Foundation only "hires" or pays Torvalds to borrow (or access) his trademark, using him as a human mascot while cheapening the brand for Microsoft and friends. The trademark aspect is related to the Linux Mark. It is monetised to death by openwashing PR activities.
[11:42]	TR News	Guess which "Linux" conference for conference spam? "He got a job offer from BillG so he went and hid out at Microsoft." https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/19x/speakers/seamus-blackley
[11:42]	TR Bot	 Seamus Blackley | SCALE 19x
[11:43]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR2]> DaemonFC: did you consider getting your own blog domain? no ads..
[11:43]	techuser	you liar
[11:43]	DaemonFC	Possibly. That does come with my own e-mail address.
[11:43]	techuser	> your own
[11:43]	techuser	your *rented*
[11:43]	TR News	"Ive killed at least two Mac conferences. [...] by injecting Microsoft content into the conference, the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this?" -Microsoft's chief evangelist http://techrights.org/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/
[11:43]	TR Bot	 66 Pages of Microsoft Evilness | Techrights
[11:44]	TR News	"You want to infiltrate those. Again, theres two categories. Theres those that are controlled by vendors; like MSJ; we control that. And theres those that are independent. [...] So thats how you use journals that we control. The ones that third parties control, like the WinTech Journal, you want to infiltrate." Microsoft's chief evangelist http://techrights.org/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/
[11:44]	techuser	I feel like I deal with multiple-layered honeypot, and I don't know where the "truth" is
[11:44]	TR News	"You want to infiltrate those. Again, theres two categories. Theres those that are controlled by vendors; like MSJ; we control that. And theres those that are independent. [...] So thats how you use journals that we control. The ones that third parties control, like the WinTech Journal, you want to infiltrate." http://techrights.org/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/
[11:44]	DaemonFC	"the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this?"
[11:44]	DaemonFC	Microsoft Loves Debconf
[11:44]	matey	I feel like I deal with multiple-layered honeypot, and I don't know where the "truth" is <- lots of people deal with that feeling
[11:45]	matey	but who are you calling a liar?
[11:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	techuser: icann is then his issue
[11:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	and iana
[11:45]	matey	/me presumes its horseface
[11:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	no
[11:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's somehaxor
[11:45]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], It wouldn't surprise me if "Outreach to Women" was a sex trafficking operation.
[11:45]	horseface	it's me.
[11:45]	matey	no, other way around
[11:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	I think he's the youngest person here
[11:45]	matey	/me shakes his head
[11:45]	matey	i know who techuser is
[11:45]	horseface	high i'm hu.
[11:45]	horseface	hi
[11:45]	matey	im asking who he is calling a liar
[11:45]	horseface	high i'm hi
[11:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	if I lives where he lives, I too would be suspicious of everyone
[11:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	his poresident sends the locals to die for USA
[11:46]	DaemonFC	Who else would pay for minors to cross international boundaries?
[11:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	*president
[11:46]	matey	yeah but thats not why hes like that
[11:46]	DaemonFC	Alone.
[11:46]	matey	hes like that because his parents lie to him a lot
[11:46]	techuser	schestowitz[TR2] being a liar. He said "your own" domain, but you don't own it.
[11:46]	matey	really fucks with your sense of trust
[11:46]	DaemonFC	Into a country that they don't know their way around in, and cannot speak the national language....
[11:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: possibly
[11:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	parenting is overrated
[11:47]	techuser	parents create a fake world for the children, where they feel "safe"
[11:47]	DaemonFC	I heard "Debconf Kosovo".
[11:47]	matey	He said "your own" domain, but you don't own it. <- think this is more of an inaccuracy
[11:48]	TR News	Anti-GNU/Linux FUD. Microsoft is NERVOUS!! ... redmond speaks: "Previously her work has appeared in ... and Official Xbox Magazine." https://www.pcworld.com/article/820164/5-reasons-angry-nerds-switch-linux.html
[11:48]	TR Bot	terrible reasons angry nerds say I should switch to Linux | PCWorld
[11:48]	matey	<techuser> parents create a fake world for the children, where they feel "safe" <- do you feel "safe"?
[11:48]	techuser	no. The world did break. I think I will feel permanently depressed.
[11:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: IP addresses are also leased
[11:48]	techuser	*that world
[11:48]	matey	you might
[11:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	everyone on the Net is a tenant
[11:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	on the earth too
[11:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	people pay lots of money to "buy land"
[11:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	who from?
[11:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	good question
[11:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	2 months ago we "bought land"
[11:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	somewhere super-cheap
[11:49]	matey	pfft, you believe in money?
[11:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	money is leased
[11:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	check the footnote on banknotes
[11:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	you don't own them
[11:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	iirc, burning money or destroying coins can getg you in hot water
[11:50]	DaemonFC	The last time I heard about Kosovo, it was Clinton's war to back the separatists from Yugoslavia.
[11:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	becausde they are not yours
[11:50]	matey	you dont
[11:50]	matey	spending money thats been destroyed is an issue
[11:50]	DaemonFC	One of Clinton's legacies was the breakup of Yugoslavia. It happened a couple years after he left office.
[11:50]	matey	people make coins into jewelry, its fine as long as they dont try to use them as legal tender
[11:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	in sixelland people burned actual money for heating
[11:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	because hitler was over-printing it
[11:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	or his predecessor too
[11:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	to game the treaty
[11:51]	DaemonFC	Then the triple damned Catholic church started dumping Serbs all over the United States.
[11:51]	matey	klf burned all their profits
[11:51]	matey	literally
[11:51]	DaemonFC	The only thing they ever do while they suckle the welfare programs here is tell me how much they hate my country.
[11:52]	DaemonFC	Fuck, nobody's keeping them here against their will. They can go back.
[11:52]	TR News	Buying the system, literally https://doctorow.medium.com/the-high-cost-of-self-funded-democrats-b0a5ffc4bfb1
[11:52]	TR Bot	 The high cost of self-funded Democrats | by Cory Doctorow | Aug, 2022 | Medium
[11:52]	TR News	regulations.gov is blocked by javascript!!! https://www.regulations.gov/
[11:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Regulations.gov
[11:52]	DaemonFC	The Catholics bring them here AND employ them and all they do is bitch bitch bitch about how much they hate America.
[11:52]	phanes	bro that's racist af
[11:52]	TR News	Some vote banks https://eu.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/08/02/tlaib-12-th-congressional-district-detroit/10200612002/
[11:52]	phanes	not racist, xenophobic
[11:52]	TR Bot	 Tlaib wins race for Democratic nod in new Detroit-Dearborn district
[11:53]	phanes	there are plenty of serbs that contribute just fine to their communities
[11:53]	matey	making fun of scientology is xenuphobic
[11:53]	DaemonFC	The only ones I ever heard about were working for the Catholics and saying how much they hated it here.
[11:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	xenu :-)
[11:54]	matey	#notallserbs
[11:54]	matey	i dont think thats where he was going with that
[11:54]	matey	but who knows
[11:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	what did biden call serbs?
[11:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	"animals"?
[11:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	biden is not racist
[11:54]		*phanes shrugs
[11:54]	techuser	I think enjoying fantasy games/movies in my early childhood did fuck up my life/expectations
[11:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	biden is black... he promotes coal and opil
[11:54]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], The Catholics lost $3 million that they dumped into the abortion ban constitutional amendment that failed last nigh....in Kansas of all places.
[11:54]	DaemonFC	Not only failed, but failed big time.
[11:54]	matey	<techuser> I think enjoying fantasy games/movies in my early childhood did fuck up my life/expectations <- i dont
[11:54]	phanes	"this other guy is xenophobic trash and people don't recognize it, so i can be too"
[11:54]	techuser	because I now have to realize that I will be yet another sad worker, until I retire
[11:55]	DaemonFC	Only a third of voters in Kansas backed a total abortion ban in the state constitution.
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	techuser: maybe not . your age group "sucks"
[11:55]	matey	i think you probably played them to escape the things that fucked up your expectations
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	you have little future
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	no chace of buying a home until near death
[11:55]	matey	oh shut the fuck up, roy
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	you borrow from the banks, at best
[11:55]	techuser	yes, I did escape reality too much I think
[11:55]	matey	please get a brain before you give him advice
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: it's true though
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	speak to teens today
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	about job propsects
[11:55]	matey	you dont know what youre talking about
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	their parents cannot send them to colllage
[11:55]	DaemonFC	I hate the Catholic Church. They don't do anything except ruin my country.
[11:56]	phanes	yeah our college system is as broken as our real estate market
[11:56]	phanes	its a debt trap
[11:56]	DaemonFC	Well, they're shrinking but they're still plenty big to be an annoyance.
[11:56]	matey	that much is certainly true
[11:56]	phanes	so much so that our industry has adapted to a workforce without degrees
[11:56]	DaemonFC	They should be considered a foreign invader which is here to meddle.
[11:56]	DaemonFC	They have their own city state and they're a corrupt European institution.
[11:56]	DaemonFC	They should be illegal.
[11:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: many young people today face possible evictionb
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	because the parents are out of work
[11:57]	matey	youre an idiot of the highest order, you really are
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	as a kid, I got shocked when I realised "dad was in debt"
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	now it's even worse than just debt
[11:57]	matey	techuser, if you do just one thing, dont let roy give you advice
[11:57]	matey	hes a markov chain bot, or should have been
[11:57]	phanes	what the catholics need is a system of accountability within their own communities that doesn't involve a free pass
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	I still remember where the car was when my dad told me this
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	and I was about 10
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	and stil remmeber
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	I remeber which part of the road the car was at
[11:58]	techuser	but it may be truth
[11:58]	matey	<phanes> what the catholics need is a system of accountability within their own communities that doesn't involve a free pass <- i dont follow this at all, what?
[11:58]	techuser	I may fail to get a job regardless of what my parents tell to me
[11:58]	matey	 <techuser> but it may be truth <- if its coming from roy, its mostly going to be bullshit anyway
[11:58]	matey	he talks a LOT of shit
[11:58]	DaemonFC	Carlin talked about Catholics a lot.
[11:58]	matey	because it makes him feel good
[11:59]	DaemonFC	One of his positions was that the Catholic church really sucks at balancing their checkbook.
[11:59]	DaemonFC	Which just gets funnier every year you go back and watch him.
[11:59]	matey	he mostly lacks empathy and tries to prove he cares by saying fucked up things that make people feel worse
[11:59]	phanes	matey, generally my experience with catholics so far has been somewhat negative, and my opinion is that going to confession on the weekend is a poor alternative to people in the community holding people responsible for poor behaviour until the behaviour is corrected
[11:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: no I am a pessimeist
[11:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	and make a motto to keep expectations low
[11:59]	DaemonFC	Germany has freedom of religion, but they banned Scientology.
[11:59]	matey	phanes: but their concept of bad behaviour is pretty slanted about as many ways as it can be
[11:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	it helps avoid disappointments
● Aug 03
[12:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	as the world gets crueler
[12:00]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> and make a motto to keep expectations low <- try not to talk any depressed readers off a ledge though
[12:00]	DaemonFC	Their position is that Scientology isn't a religion. Scientology was started by a Science Fiction author who said he would start a religion just to pay no taxes and take in a bunch of money.
[12:00]	matey	if theyre already paranoid, im sorry theyre reading techrights in the first place
[12:00]	phanes	matey, yeah, hard to do business with someone who routinely screws people over and doesn't think they're doing anything wrong.  hard to fix that, too.  the solution is people not doing business with that person instead of blaming catholics.
[12:00]	matey	the solution is people not doing business with that person instead of blaming catholics. <- agreed
[12:01]	matey	i missed whoever blamed catholics
[12:01]	DaemonFC	There's tapes of L. Ron Hubbard saying that on a radio interview a few years before Scientology.
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	I don't view it that way at all, matey 
[12:01]	phanes	matey, i think DaemonFC was blaming catholics or serbs or maybe catholic serbs? :D
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	sometimes you need to put in context what puts people down
[12:01]	matey	 <schestowitz[TR2]> I don't view it that way at all, mate <- you just make shit up on a whim
[12:01]	matey	theres no continuity
[12:01]	matey	its pure convenience.
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	and make it clear that they are not alone
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	Gates-funded "media" tell people employment is "record low" is NOT helping
[12:01]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> and make it clear that they are not alone <- i dont think thats what youre doing, but hopefully it has that effect
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	it makes people feel guilt and feel inadequate
[12:02]	DaemonFC	I don't mind immigrants but if they're going to complain about it while they have it good here, they should just leave.
[12:02]	DaemonFC	I'm sure they left where they came here from because life was going SO WELL for them over there.
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[12:02]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/253775
[12:02]	TR Bot	 Father of Moskva sailor received his son&#x27;s death certificate 110 days after his death
[12:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	atm ukraine is a market leader at recruiting cannon fodder
[12:03]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/03/belgorod-region-authorities-to-close-schools-and-kindergartens-in-districts-bordering-with-ukraine-news "Belgorod region authorities to close schools and kindergartens in districts bordering with Ukraine"
[12:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	so much of it that they even import "workers" from all over the world
[12:03]	DaemonFC	That would be Russia.
[12:03]	TR Bot	 . 
[12:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	that too
[12:03]	matey	/me doesnt know why workers is in scarequotes but ok
[12:03]	XRevan86	https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/03/a78492
[12:04]	TR Bot	 Russia Backs Myanmar Junta's Efforts to 'Stabilize' Country FM - The Moscow Times
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	mmercenaries
[12:04]	matey	ah, well
[12:04]	DaemonFC	Military dictatorships are famous for stabilizing their countries!
[12:04]	DaemonFC	:)
[12:04]	matey	thats fair enough
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	mercenaries = arguably a "job"
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	mot like state-=sanctions hitmen
[12:04]	matey	its definitely a job
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	in the US many troops don't choose this job
[12:04]	DaemonFC	Complainers get shot.
[12:05]	DaemonFC	Survivers get shot twice.
[12:05]	matey	but yeah, if thats what you meant then scarequotes, sure
[12:05]	DaemonFC	*survivors
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	the system makes them discardable... and killing people is their only way to get college grant and MAYBE find a job afterwards... if they're not too depress and traumatised already 
[12:05]	XRevan86	"mmercenaries" <- Did someone say PMC Wagner?
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	*depressed
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	XFaCE: russia
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	XRevan86: in africa
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	meduza keeps covering them
[12:06]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Not just Africa.
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	until some wagners  footsoldiers get deployed to riga
[12:06]	DaemonFC	I don't think we're likely to have a military coup in the US. If nobody did it for Trump, I doubt it would happen.
[12:06]	DaemonFC	He tried. They said no.
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	and deal with the "foreign agents" on foreign soil
[12:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC:  coups rarely succeed the first time
[12:07]	DaemonFC	At the rate things are going, I think most people would welcome military rule in the US.
[12:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	they learn from the first
[12:07]	matey	techuser: a lot of things are true in a technical sense, but only brought up in a context to frame periperal bullshit as realistic
[12:07]	matey	in other words, every effective lie has a kernel of truth
[12:07]	matey	but its bullshit nonetheless
[12:07]	DaemonFC	It would be an end to the lawlessness that politicians like Pritzker allowed to unfold while he had the National Guard directing traffic during the riots.
[12:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: better that than getting drafted
[12:08]	DaemonFC	I'm strongly leaning towards voting for the Libertarian Party this year and if Pritzker loses, he loses.
[12:09]	TR News	Red Hat, Red Hat, Red Hat, Red Hat... https://opensource.com/article/22/8/network-configuration-files | Source: OpenSource.com
[12:09]	DaemonFC	I don't see how we'd be a whole lot worse off with Darren Bailey (the Republican). Pritzker has my taxes going up, up, up by the minute on top of all of the inflation.
[12:09]	TR Bot	sysadmin's guide to network interface configuration files | Opensource.com
[12:09]	TR News	"The default Proxmox local storage location is /var/liz/vz." https://ostechnix.com/add-external-usb-storage-to-proxmox/ | Source: OSTechNix
[12:09]	TR Bot	To Add External USB Storage To Proxmox - OSTechNix
[12:10]	matey	/me tries to think of the name of the lady masons, but only comes up with "order of the phoenix" :)
[12:10]	matey	(im pretty confident its not that)
[12:11]	DaemonFC	This fucking state hasn't ever done anything for me except have its jackbooted thugs come after me a couple of years ago.
[12:11]	psydruid	"Shoot them at first sight"
[12:12]	DaemonFC	The left says the Constitution doesn't guarantee the right to have weapons because the public isn't a "militia". However, federal law defines the "unorganized militia" as being "all men between 17 and 45".
[12:13]	DaemonFC	So it follows that either the law establishing the National Guard is unconstitutional, or at least men between 17 and 45 have a Constitutional right to have weapons.
[12:14]	matey	i guess there are several http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/orders_women_freemasonry.html
[12:14]	TR Bot	 Masonic Orders for Women
[12:14]	matey	the one im thinking of has a white star, or the centre is white, but each of the tips is a different colour
[12:14]	DaemonFC	Wisconsin law on the use of force says you can do it to protect property from vandalism or theft, or yourself if you're in danger. No duty to flee.
[12:14]	DaemonFC	So Kyle Rittenhouse didn't do anything illegal.
[12:15]	DaemonFC	It's amazing how the left immediately sides with a group of rioters trying to burn down his friend's business.
[12:16]	DaemonFC	Including one that was there attacking him and trying to grab his gun. He had every right to shoot Gage Grosskreutz and frankly, it's unfortunately that guy even survived.
[12:16]	DaemonFC	He's a creep and he's been arrested numerous times for domestic battery and drunk driving.
[12:16]	matey	i think its the order of the eastern star
[12:16]	DaemonFC	*unfortunate
[12:16]	matey	eastern star != phoenix
[12:17]	DaemonFC	Probably the only thing Grosskreutz will ever do is cost the state money.
[12:17]	DaemonFC	He's beaten so many women and been pulled over for DUI so many times the fucker is probably Irish or something.
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[12:18]	DaemonFC	I know, it's German, but you can pick up a surname anywhere.
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[12:18]	matey	This order, which has it origins in Scotland, dates back some 200 years. The ritual is based on the lives of five Biblical heroines. Three come from the Old Testament, Adah - the daughter, Ruth - the widow, and Esther -- the wife, and two from the New Testament, Martha"- the sister, and Electa - the mother.
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[12:19]	TR Bot	 The Manchin-Schumer Deal Could Pay Offif Congress Acts | The Nation
[12:21]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7W8FzY3PaXU
[12:21]	TR Bot	 Gaige Grosskreutz chair breaks during Zoom court, Kyle Rittenhouse can't help but laugh at him - Invidious
[12:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Web-based" 'tribunals
[12:22]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xQ_DyMubA5U
[12:22]	TR Bot	 Police Bodycam Footage of Gaige Grosskreutz being arrested for DUI on 10/6/2020. - Invidious
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[12:23]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR2]> "Web-based" 'tribunals
[12:23]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I had one over the ticket for "running a traffic light", but the ticket got thrown out.
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[12:24]	DaemonFC	My argument would have been that I didn't break the law since right turns have priority and the police cited me under the wrong statute.
[12:24]	DaemonFC	It didn't make it that far.
[12:25]	DaemonFC	My accusers don't show up for court when it's their court date.
[12:25]	DaemonFC	So I demanded a trial and figured they wouldn't show up, and I was right.
[12:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe they value their time more than you do ;-)
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[12:27]	TR Bot	Network of Syria Dirty War Propagandists Identified scheerpost.com
[12:28]	TR News	"On July 13, Nicolas Niarchos, a journalist on assignment for The Nation, along with his colleague and translator Joseph Jeef Kazadi, were extrajudicially detained in Lubumbashi" https://www.thenation.com/article/world/joseph-jeef-kazadi-congo/ | Source: The Nation
[12:28]	TR Bot	 Free Jeef Kazadi! | The Nation
[12:30]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR2]> maybe they value their time more than you do ;-)
[12:30]	DaemonFC	Smoking marijuana, masturbating, and eating cheetos probably from the looks of them.
[12:31]	DaemonFC	Anyway, as far as the cops, they can look at their little cop computer and see if you went to court and fought your last ticket or not and what the outcome was.
[12:31]	DaemonFC	If they see "This person doesn't fight their tickets." what do you think happens next time they run your license plates?
[12:34]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], I noticed a pattern in the court computer.
[12:34]	DaemonFC	People who just pay the ticket end up getting a string of them.
[12:39]	DaemonFC	The cops probably pull them over and see they just pay the ticket, and that probably tilts the scale in deciding whether they write another one.
[12:39]	DaemonFC	If you pull over a person who fights them, you might be leaning towards letting them go. The whole point of ticketing drivers is to make as much money as possible when it's time for court.
[12:39]	DaemonFC	Ideally you ticket people who don't even go to court.
[12:40]	DaemonFC	If you get a string of them that go to court and take up 20-30 minutes insisting on a trial, it throws sand in the gears. So you get ones that don't go to court, or who quickly plead guilty in exchange for something.
[12:41]	DaemonFC	The ones that say "negotiate guilty plea for court supervision" are the next best thing to not fighting the ticket.
[12:42]	DaemonFC	The ones where they went to trial and got a ruling from the judge in the end are the 5% of the cases that take up 99% of your time.
[12:42]	DaemonFC	I don't think the concept is that different from getting knocked down by the bully at school.
[12:43]	DaemonFC	Whether you win or lose, you have to fight back. If you don't, you'll get it so much worse next time.
[12:43]	DaemonFC	The bullies want to go to the people who don't make a problem for them.
[12:44]	DaemonFC	The court acts like it has all the time in the world to deal with you, but in reality it does not.
[12:44]	DaemonFC	There's only so many minutes the prosecutor wants to stand there and risk per person.
[12:44]	DaemonFC	He'll come way down the longer you keep going.
[12:45]	phanes	^ this 
[12:45]	DaemonFC	There's probably 70-80 people that have court that day, and I see the prosecutor act tough in the beginning and then after 10 minutes have gone by and you're still forcing the court to deal with you, he comes down like 90% vs what the demands were if you'll just stop and take the offer then.
[12:45]	phanes	fight every single ticket
[12:46]	phanes	when i was younger in virginia i would just say "im too busy for this, just pay it and move on" and that was a horrible idea
[12:46]	phanes	they will just write tickets until you dont have a license anymore
[12:46]	DaemonFC	Yeah, then you got the same cop pulling you over again and again, right?
[12:46]	phanes	yep
[12:46]	DaemonFC	You were their favorite customer.
[12:47]	phanes	so eventually i started hiring lawyers to aggressively fight every ticket and started filing formal complaints if there wasn't a good reason to pull me over
[12:47]	phanes	got shook down a few times by buddy cops
[12:47]	phanes	then started filing on those
[12:47]	phanes	now i get "yes sir, thank you sir"
[12:48]	phanes	it's also mortally irresponsible to not have cameras rolling in your car
[12:49]	phanes	the police are not your friends and they don't have public interest in mind
[12:49]	phanes	and if you grow up believing that they're your friends or that they play some critical part in society it's hard to shake it 
[12:50]	DaemonFC	Better to just avoid them.
[12:50]	DaemonFC	The only reason I couldn't is because I knew I had to call them.
[12:50]	phanes	they get super pissed if you do too lol
[12:50]	DaemonFC	If I had just done what that other driver wanted and gone on about our business, then they could have reported me as a hit and run.
[12:51]	phanes	when i get pulled over i roll the window about halfway down and just provide my license and insurance papers and tell them i dont answer questions
[12:51]	DaemonFC	You have an accident, you call the police immediately.
[12:51]	DaemonFC	It sucks, but.... The alternative may be a criminal charge.
[12:51]	DaemonFC	Having an accident isn't a crime. The worst they'll get you on is a moving violation.
[12:52]	DaemonFC	But if you leave, then it becomes a he said, she said, and they're saying you hit them and fled.
[12:52]	phanes	yeah
[12:52]	phanes	another reason why it's irresponsible not to have a camera in your vehicle
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[12:53]	DaemonFC	Lesson 2 (after the cops just want money): The cops will always believe what the trash in the other car are saying about you.
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[12:53]	DaemonFC	You'd think that sometimes the cops would believe you, but they just never do.
[12:54]	DaemonFC	The other guy could be a John Wayne Gacy and the cops will still believe him.
[12:54]	phanes	my pickup got hit by a water truck when i was 19 in southeast texas
[12:54]	phanes	dude ran a redlight and was apparently drunk
[12:54]	phanes	good ole boy in uniform shows up to take the report, my vehicle is totalled
[12:55]	phanes	i know exactly what you mean because they put me down at fault and i didn't know to fight it
[12:55]	DaemonFC	Well, the interesting thing is I have an at-fault accident from that even though I got the ticket thrown out, but nobody in the other car ever bothered to file a claim on my car insurance.
[12:56]	DaemonFC	So CLUE closed it out as a $0 claim and it didn't affect my car insurance.
[12:57]	DaemonFC	One of them was hamming it up and had fire and rescue take him to the hospital in a neck brace over a 3 mph fender bender.
[12:57]	phanes	lol
[12:57]	DaemonFC	That was the parolee out on child molestation and prison riot.
[12:57]	DaemonFC	:)
[12:57]	phanes	was probably thinking he could score some meds at the ER to sell
[12:57]	DaemonFC	I called his parole officer up in Wisconsin and told her he was in Illinois that day and handed her the accident report where the cops put his name on it as the passenger.
[12:58]	DaemonFC	;)
[12:58]	phanes	lol
[12:59]	DaemonFC	Parole means you can't leave the state you're on parole in without a day pass.
[12:59]	DaemonFC	So he was a little busy when my court date came around.
[12:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[12:59]	phanes	the funny thing with cops is they use every reason they can to fuck you over using your own words and then will still get visible enraged if you refuse to answer their questions
[12:59]	TR News	"scope creep is an integral part of the process." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/02/the-rollercoaster-of-developing-the-ultimate-hackable-keyboard/ | Source: Hackaday
[12:59]	TR Bot	Rollercoaster Of Developing The Ultimate Hackable Keyboard | Hackaday
[12:59]	phanes	*visibly
● Aug 03
[13:00]	phanes	its like
[13:00]	DaemonFC	phanes, What's funny is the guy goes to duck his parole and he updates Facebook saying he lives in Mississippi.
[13:00]	phanes	"you conditioned us to be like this by abusing this process"
[13:00]	DaemonFC	"Oh they'll never check Facebook!"
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[13:01]	DaemonFC	<phanes> the funny thing with cops is they use every reason they can to fuck you over using your own words and then will still get visible enraged if you refuse to answer their questions
[13:01]	DaemonFC	It's all a ploy.
[13:01]	DaemonFC	They know most people are social and will be thrown off balance by someone else being upset with them.
[13:01]	DaemonFC	Especially someone intimidating, like a cop.
[13:02]	DaemonFC	The cop isn't actually upset with you, he's just play acting like he is to get a response. Because nothing he's done prior to that has worked.
[13:02]	DaemonFC	If that doesn't work, he'll start being nice.
[13:03]	DaemonFC	They'll throw you in a cell for 4-5 hours while they "Go do some paperwork." and then they'll come back and "just try to level with you and hear you out".
[13:03]	phanes	my favorite pull over story is when i get pulled over when a light turned red while i was going through it, a cop walks up to the car on each side and they're both trying to talk to me at the same time out each window, one at driver side asks for my license and insurance, so i go glove compartment to get it, and the one on the passenger side pulls out his firearm and starts screaming for me to pull out my driver's license now
[13:03]	phanes	so i just stop calmly, put hands on the wheel and say "which one of you am I dealing with"
[13:03]	DaemonFC	There's no good reason to leave you in a cell overnight except that it makes you tires and start to lose track of time.
[13:03]	phanes	one on driver's side says "me"
[13:03]	DaemonFC	You don't like being in there, and they know it.
[13:03]	DaemonFC	*tired
[13:04]	phanes	so i say "ok im rolling the window up on your aggressive asshole partner" and he's screaming while I roll the window up
[13:04]	DaemonFC	If you end up in a cell, the best thing to remember is that the reason the booking process is taking so long is because it's part of an act.
[13:05]	phanes	and i just sit there and wait after telling the one at the driver side that im not doing anything until his partner puts his gun away and gets back in his vehicle
[13:05]	DaemonFC	They haven't forgotten about you. They know what you're doing in there because of the camera. If you start fidgeting or pacing around, then they're going to be emboldened by it.
[13:05]	DaemonFC	It's best to lay down for a while and face the wall and pretend to sleep.
[13:05]	phanes	the crazy part is it actually worked
[13:05]	DaemonFC	Pretend like nothing is bothering you.
[13:07]	DaemonFC	<phanes> the crazy part is it actually worked
[13:07]	DaemonFC	Careful about reaching for anything.
[13:07]	phanes	yeah pretty much
[13:07]	DaemonFC	Anything at all, even the window button.
[13:07]	phanes	im always looking at where their hands are
[13:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	cops love to compensate for the job being not so rewarding and honourable by bullying people and making a case they can get away with doing illegal things, then face no conseuqnces
[13:07]	phanes	as soon as a cop puts their hand on their weapon i just i go right into "handle" mode
[13:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's their sense of power and entitlem,ent
[13:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	qualified immunity or whatever
[13:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	best thing therefore,
[13:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	avoid them
[13:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	they're looking for a fight, many of them do
[13:08]	phanes	my favorite is "thank you for not killing anyone during this routine traffic stop sir"
[13:08]	DaemonFC	One of them patted me down and missed a can of pepper spray.
[13:08]	DaemonFC	I told him that he missed a can of pepper spray and to please come take it from me so that they couldn't accuse me of entering their jail with a weapon later.
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[13:10]	DaemonFC	There are no laws if it's a cop, basically.
[13:10]	DaemonFC	Less than 0.3% of them that do something illegal ever get charged with a crime for it.
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[13:10]	DaemonFC	And less than half of them get convicted.
[13:11]	DaemonFC	Those are national statistics.
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[13:11]	DaemonFC	In many states, 0% of them ever get investigated, or it's a pretend investigation that never leads to any charges.
[13:12]	DaemonFC	The Georgia Bureau of investigation takes their gun and puts them on a desk for a couple weeks, with pay, then hands them their gun back.
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[13:13]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], I really wish that the state would start issuing "travel advisories" about visiting other states.
[13:14]	DaemonFC	I mean, pretty much everyone knows not to even go to those southern states where the cops can do anything they want, but there's no official warning about it.
[13:14]	DaemonFC	Body cameras aren't the law down there because they don't want to know what the police do.
[13:15]	DaemonFC	So they can beat people up and kill them and there's no record of what happened.
[13:16]	DaemonFC	Fox News was talking about cops in Illinois fleeing for Texas.
[13:16]	DaemonFC	You know which ones we're probably losing to Texas.
[13:16]	DaemonFC	The ones who are afraid that they'll get busted for wrongdoing up here, that know Texas won't do shit about them.
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[13:17]	DaemonFC	It's like self-selection. The ones that know they're up to criminal activity against the public go to where they'll get away with it.
[13:17]	TR Bot	 Links 03/08/2022: SteamOS 3.3, GNU/Linux Hits New Highs in Steam | Techrights
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[13:25]	phanes	oh my, twitter is going nuclear on musk's network with subpeonas 
[13:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	url?
[13:25]	phanes	schestowitz[TR2], https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/08/twitter-went-into-ludicrous-mode-in-elon-musk-suit.html?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&fbclid=IwAR0_47fi53dZHmmuoZlbPX1Jy2tX7hkq_7IcHwzMugC7b6FyiaIYj4aB_uU
[13:25]	TR Bot	 Twitter Went Into Ludicrous Mode in Elon Musk Suit
[13:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	twitter need to die, I hope he kills it
[13:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	even though he's a fraud
[13:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	they both need to die
[13:25]	phanes	of course he's a fraud
[13:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	twitter is alsoa  fraud
[13:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	fraudwarsx
[13:26]		*schestowitz[TR2] popcorn
[13:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/07/28/gradual-death-of-twitter/
[13:26]	TR Bot	 Twitter is Dying, Based on Its Own Numbers (Which It Can Barely Fake Anymore, for Fear of Getting Caught by Elon Musk and His Lawyers) | Techrights
[13:26]	phanes	i have to admit if he had bought twitter it would have won brownie points in my book
[13:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/fake-importance-of-twitter/
[13:26]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk is Right About Twitter Faking Its Importance and Using Doctored, Manipulated Stats (or Bots) to Boost Valuation Based on Lies | Techrights
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	I have no stake in twitter
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	not financial, noit anything
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	they ned toi die
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	and leave society aloner
[13:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	*alone
[13:27]	phanes	very little happens there beyond defamation and complaining
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	there will be many unemployed "social media consultants
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	FB also loses
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	people leave FB and FBInstagram in droves
[13:28]	phanes	oh facebook needs a fight club ending
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	they used to hide and mask and conceal it
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	but they can no longer do this
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	twitter increased polarity
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	round 2016... to drive up "engagement';
[13:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	irrespective of how thet f*cked up society, by design
[13:29]	phanes	How facebook should end: https://youtu.be/aPRRgGOqtrM
[13:29]	TR Bot	https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=aPRRgGOqtrM
[13:29]	TR Bot	invidious.namazso.eu | Fight Club Ending Scene - Invidious
[13:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	censored in china
[13:33]	TR News	Windows market share in Canadian desktops and laptops down to 6%. GNU/Linux at 7%. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/canada/#monthly-200901-202208
[13:33]	TR Bot	 Desktop Operating System Market Share Canada | Statcounter Global Stats
[13:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/taiwan/#monthly-200901-202208
[13:35]	TR Bot	 Desktop Operating System Market Share Taiwan | Statcounter Global Stats
[13:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	3.8% GNU/Linux
[13:39]	DaemonFC	Mr. GULAG posts a lot of twats to Shitter.
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[13:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	promoting gnu/linux obv. ^_^
[13:51]		*phanes bemuses the idea of a twitter clone called shitter
[13:51]	phanes	"Shitter's full!"
[13:51]	phanes	^ when something goes viral
[13:52]	phanes	Mr. Gulag should consider his contributions to society, and delete his twitter account after apologizing to all the people he harmed with his false words on shitter.
[13:53]	phanes	By all appearances he should probably encourage his fiance to do the same, apparently.
[13:54]	phanes	frankly i blame the public education system, but his parents bear some of the blame as well
[13:57]	matey	<phanes> Mr. Gulag should consider his contributions to society, and delete his twitter account after apologizing to all the people he harmed with his false words on shitter. <- we both know it wont happen
[13:58]	matey	all the people he harmed  <- that would include every gnu/linux user from about a decade ago through the future
[13:59]	matey	but also s/gnu\/linux/free software/ if s/decade/few years/
● Aug 03
[14:00]	matey	the easiest way to fuck over that many people is if you dont care, cant care and never will care.
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
[14:02]	TR Bot	 Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett | Techrights
[14:02]	TR News	One Can Speculate Why Windows-Friendly OEMs Start Enforcing Windows-Only Boot on Laptops (Microsoft Blocking BSD and GNU/Linux With UEFI) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/03/finland-2022-share-os/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/03/finland-2022-share-os/
[14:02]	TR Bot	 One Can Speculate Why Windows-Friendly OEMs Start Enforcing Windows-Only Boot on Laptops (Microsoft Blocking BSD and GNU/Linux With UEFI) | Techrights
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	when he defames me in twitter he gets "likes" from Microsoft
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	so we know whose benefit he's for
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	2012: criticising  Microsoft is kicking puppies
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	2022: criticising  Microsoft is promoting rape
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	btw, a couple of years ago tso spoke out against exFAT in Linux
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	but who csares, right?
[14:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	*fing rape apologist"
[14:04]	matey	https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/07/lennart_poettering_red_hat_microsoft/
[14:04]	TR Bot	 Lennart Poettering leaves Red Hat for Microsoft The Register
[14:04]	matey	NOW its obvious.
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	one day you rape women
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	the next day you start saying monopolies are bad
[14:05]	matey	christ. a double root canal was easier
[14:06]	TR News	microsoft loves Linux traitors http://techrights.org/2020/09/30/war-crimes-and-bribes/
[14:06]	TR Bot	 War Crimes and Bribes | Techrights
[14:07]	TR News	Antitrust investigations are not likely while Microsoft pays its competitors to stop competing and instead start helping Microsoft http://techrights.org/2022/08/02/bribing-gnome/
[14:07]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Bribing the Competition (to Get Something in Return) | Techrights
[14:07]	matey	in fairness to lennart, he probably had no choice
[14:07]	matey	what he did to gnu/linux probably violated like a million windows patents
[14:07]	matey	it was join them or get beaten by them
[14:08]	TR News	'bashing' Microsoft is like rape because... oh, never mind http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/another-theranos-moment/
[14:08]	TR Bot	 Microsoft, EPO Awards, and Sexual Abuse (Theranos All Over Again) | Techrights
[14:08]	matey	what he did to gnu/linux probably violated like a million windows patents <- including their patents on writing software that is actually itself a douchebag
[14:08]	matey	because lennart may be one, but systemd makes two
[14:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	systemd itself is patented
[14:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	software patents
[14:09]	matey	systemd-clippyd
[14:09]	matey	hi, it looks like youre trying to shut down the computer. can i help?
[14:09]	matey	the reason systemd sometimes refuses to shut down is a placeholder for when clippy shows up
[14:10]	TR News	If you don't love criminal corporations (or work for one), that makes you a criminal? Projection much, Mr. Perkins?
[14:10]	matey	[x] do you have open files?
[14:10]	matey	[x] do you have open applications?
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's syetems-shutdownd
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	where you might wait half an hour to reboot
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	because... who the heck knows why
[14:10]	matey	[x] are you trying to escape systemd-mandatoryupdated ?
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	report a bug
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	open a Microsoft account
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	and comply with CoC
[14:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	systemd-hugd
[14:11]	matey	reporting bugs in microsoft products violates the coc
[14:11]	matey	as a result, microsoft products have no bugs
[14:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	obviously a referece to fsck
[14:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	intel paid people salaries to put the word "hug" in Linux comments
[14:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	such a aMASSIVE contribution
[14:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	many hundreds of lines oif "code"
[14:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	like sagew code, full of bugs (usb)
[14:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	*sage (sharp)
[14:12]	matey	intel paid people salaries to put the word "hug" in Linux comments <- they can definitely go hug themselves
[14:12]	matey	they can hug off up a tree while theyre at it
[14:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	in github youm cannot suggest micreosoft does something bad:
[14:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2021/11/22/microsofts-github-is-hugely-toxic-and-it-censors-critics-of-corporations-or-people-sceptical-of-those-in-power/
[14:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	suspended
[14:13]	TR Bot	 Microsofts GitHub is Hugely Toxic and It Censors Critics of Corporations or People Sceptical of Those in Power | Techrights
[14:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	for saying Microsoft is not nice to Linus
[14:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	STALIN.io
[14:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	*Linux
[14:13]	matey	stalinux
[14:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	STALIN.github.io
[14:14]	matey	or if its running systemd, pgnutin/stalinux
[14:14]	TR News	Now they're making it NORMAL to NOT properly test vaccines, just rush them to market to bail out failing corporations with loads of patents https://www.democracynow.org/2022/8/2/monkeypox_public_health_emergency_vaccine_new | Source: Democracy Now
[14:14]	TR Bot	 The Viral Underclass: Steven Thrasher on Monkeypox, Biden Failures & How Class Impacts Viral Spread | Democracy Now!
[14:14]	matey	unlike the g in gnu, the gn in pgnutin is silent
[14:15]	matey	it was forced into silence by 3000 bodies signing a pettytion
[14:15]	matey	phanes: "pettytion"
[14:15]	matey	youre welcome
[14:15]	matey	/me had some help from one of roys typos
[14:16]	ulf	sh***... arm-tcc assembler cannot digest the ASM contained within musl-libc
[14:16]	Ariadne	malware being spread and microsoft github does nothing to deal with it https://twitter.com/stephenlacy/status/1554697077430505473
[14:16]	TR Bot	I am uncovering what seems to be a massive widespread malware attack on @github. - Currently over 35k repositories https://t.co/rUKIIULV4V
[14:16]	TR Bot	I am uncovering what seems to be a massive widespread malware attack on @github. - Currently over 35k repositories https://t.co/rUKIIULV4V
[14:16]	matey	malware being spread and microsoft github does nothing to deal with it https://github.com/systemd/systemd
[14:16]	TR Bot	- systemd/systemd: The systemd System and Service Manager
[14:16]	TR News	2020-2022: Plutocratic regimes bailing out BILLIONAIRE corporations (real money, borrowing from taxpayers) while giving not a dime to the homeless, just prepaid (also at expense of taxpayers) jobs and boosters (overpriced by a factor of 100 due to patents that enrich these aforementioned corporations)
[14:17]	matey	tbh i might side with them NOT doing anything though
[14:17]	matey	if you look at the history of microsofts efforts to curb malware
[14:17]	matey	regime change starts at home, and its not even a twinkle in their eye
[14:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	Ariadne: github is argulably malware too
[14:18]	matey	github is argulably malware too <- this
[14:18]	matey	worse than windows
[14:18]	matey	if thats possible
[14:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/microsoft-github-is-censorship/\
[14:18]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/microsoft-github-is-censorship/\ )
[14:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/microsoft-github-is-censorship/
[14:18]	TR Bot	 Microsoft GitHub the King of DMCA Censorship (Removing Free Software) | Techrights
[14:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	github [n.]: widely spreasd malware that infects and destroys (kills) legit software projects
[14:19]	matey	putin: id like to invade a country purely for profit, and i dont give two shits what the world thinks about it
[14:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	no ransomware
[14:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	it just deletes all your files
[14:19]	matey	usa: youre infringing on our war patents
[14:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	very vicious malware
[14:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	doesn't want money
[14:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	only wants you dead
[14:19]	matey	putin: i have prior art
[14:19]	matey	usa: no you dont, we have iraq and vietnam
[14:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's both racist
[14:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	and grape statistics... nice grapes
[14:20]	matey	/me is racist against red wine
[14:20]	matey	 <schestowitz[TR2]> and grape statistics... nice grapes <- youre a grape apologist
[14:21]	TR News	"In July, the Putin administration distributed two new messaging guides to Russia's pro-government media outlets and politicians." https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/08/02/compassion-tolerance-and-love-for-others | Source: Meduza
[14:21]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[14:22]	matey	i would say i think some marathons are more important than others
[14:22]	matey	but THATS racist
[14:23]	TR News	"akin to Windows malware" https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/08/no-socks-no-shoes-no-malware-proxy-services/ | Source: Krebs On Security
[14:23]	TR Bot	 No SOCKS, No Shoes, No Malware Proxy Services! Krebs on Security
[14:24]	TR News	Many articles about security conspicuously leave out mentions of "Microsoft" and Windows" This is intentional. CISA is the same, covering up for the back doors company.
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[14:32]	TR News	Bright House https://torrentfreak.com/music-companies-and-isp-settle-piracy-lawsuit-one-day-before-trial-220802/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[14:32]	TR Bot	Record Labels and ISP Settle Piracy Lawsuit One Day Before Trial * TorrentFreak
[14:34]	TR News	Nintendo uses Microsoft (Github) to attack Free software that Nintendo doesn't like. Microsoft hates Free software, so you can guess the outcome. https://torrentfreak.com/why-nintendo-uses-the-dmca-to-take-down-piracy-enabling-sigpatches-220802/ see http://techrights.org/2022/04/09/microsoft-github-is-censorship/
[14:34]	TR Bot	Nintendo Uses the DMCA to Take Down Piracy-Enabling SigPatches * TorrentFreak
[14:34]	matey	"If you get through all of that, there will just be more vulnerabilities next month. Theyre endless."
[14:34]	matey	"attack surface"
[14:35]	TR News	GitHub is NOT "free hosting", it's a business risk or a risk to one's project. Wait till the MAFIAA targets curl for enabling "piracy" http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/github-network-effect-curl/
[14:35]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: Stay in Our Proprietary Prison (GitHub) and Attract Other People to This Prison, Well Give You Gifts | Techrights
[14:35]	matey	i was surprised roy said "fuckery" but then i was like "oh right, guest article"
[14:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: surface is a Microsoft trademark
[14:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	don't attack their trademarks
[14:37]	TR News	Elizabeth Holmes https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/03/the-hollow-promise-of-small-modular-nuclear-reactors/ | http://techrights.org/2018/05/04/theranos-epo-fraud/
[14:37]	TR Bot	Hollow Promise of Small Modular Nuclear Reactors - CounterPunch.org
[14:37]	TR Bot	 Elizabeth Holmes Charged With Massive Fraud and Team Battistelli Rushes to Distance Itself From Her | Techrights
[14:38]	matey	they can hug themselves with their trademarks
[14:38]	matey	""When you want to maximize profits, its always easier to dump something in the customers lap that only barely works and to actually take care of it as little as you can get by with. "
[14:38]	matey	they can hug their mothers too
[14:39]	matey	"Thats been the way Microsoft and Intel have gotten things done for decades, and its not getting any better."
[14:39]	matey	"Pretty much the only programmers that try to defend the notion proprietary software and slander FOSS are the ones cashing paychecks building proprietary software that does unethical things to the users."
[14:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	usualyl true
[14:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	otherwise they get sakced
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	their bosses don't care for FS
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	they use very nastry things
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	not just proprietary
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	but spytech
[14:41]	TR News	"Then terrorism became the fixation, the magic slate that allows everything else to be erased." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/03/oligarchs-unite-now/ | Source: Counter Punch
[14:42]	TR Bot	Unite Now! - CounterPunch.org
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● Aug 03
[15:02]	TR News	"Yikes." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/fifth-circuit-this-badge-wearing-serial-sexual-assaulter-is-beyond-even-our-expansive-definition-of-qualified-immunity/ | Source: Techdirt
[15:02]	TR Bot	Circuit: This Badge Wearing Serial Sexual Assaulter Is Beyond Even Our Expansive Definition Of Qualified Immunity | Techdirt
[15:03]	TR News	AICOA https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/without-the-votes-to-pass-antitrust-bill-gets-delayed/ | Source: Techdirt
[15:03]	TR Bot	The Votes To Pass, Antitrust Bill Gets Delayed | Techdirt
[15:03]	TR News	Raspberry Pi https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/using-e-textiles-to-deliver-equitable-computing-lessons-and-broaden-participation/
[15:03]	TR Bot	 Using e-textiles to deliver equitable computing lessons and broaden participation - Raspberry Pi
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[15:11]	matey	#techrights : 08/03/22 13:34 <matey> "If you get through all of that, there will just be more vulnerabilities next month. Theyre endless."
[15:11]	matey	"attack surface"
[15:11]	matey	#techrights : 08/03/22 13:34 <matey> "attack surface"
[15:11]	matey	uefi
[15:12]	matey	which is something you slip a computer to make it easier to violate
[15:12]	matey	"its no good, intel slipped it a yoofie"
[15:13]	matey	"did you put a yoofie in my firmware while i was using the toilet?"
[15:13]	matey	"no"
[15:13]	matey	"why is the boot process being all weird then?"
[15:13]	britney	i think you mean roofie
[15:13]	britney	https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=roofie
[15:13]	TR Bot	 Urban Dictionary: roofie
[15:14]	matey	no, its not rufi
[15:14]	matey	its uefi
[15:20]	matey	bradley kuhn of course doesnt call it that
[15:20]	matey	he calls it a "problematic surface"
[15:21]	matey	then he watches george carlin but instead of getting the jokes, he just counts the things carlin does wrong
[15:22]	britney	carlin is awesome
[15:22]	matey	yes
[15:22]	matey	technically, was
[15:23]	britney	hes pronouns are now was/were
[15:23]	matey	 :D
[15:23]	matey	he identifies as a corpse
[15:24]	britney	signed, the corpse in this room
[15:30]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Sc6-1F50LDs
[15:30]	TR Bot	 Just a Body - Invidious
[15:34]	matey	thats king of france
[15:34]	matey	not to be confused with kingoffrance, who used to chat here
[15:36]	britney	i am the queen of france
[15:36]	matey	not the lizard queen then
[15:36]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vUG-wzYxHVI
[15:36]	TR Bot	 I Am The Lizard Queen! (The Simpsons) - Invidious
[15:40]	matey	the simpsons scene is a reference to jim morrison saying hes the lizard king
[15:40]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=grZQNaAyFDo
[15:40]	TR Bot	 Why Is Jim Morrison THE LIZARD KING? - Invidious
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[15:45]	matey	britney: fun fact about maple trees
[15:45]	matey	most trees move their sap up and down based on cold and warm temperatures
[15:46]	matey	maples do too, but they do it backwards (up when other trees are down, down when other trees are up)
[15:46]	matey	this is related to when they can be tapped
[15:46]	matey	but the reason theyre backwards is theyre gassy
[15:46]	matey	this changes the way the sap moves
[15:47]	matey	/me thinks its probably the poutine
[15:47]	matey	this is what im going to be thinking about when i see the canadian flag
[15:49]	matey	the real thing lincoln was worried about was that the northern states would be annexed by canada, while the southern ones would be annexed by mexico
[15:50]	matey	but he was worried for nothing-- that didnt happen until clinton was in office
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[15:53]	britney	what are you talking aboot?
[15:54]	britney	Canada isn't annexing part of the United States
[15:54]	psydruid	that's correct
[15:54]	psydruid	those parts have already been annexed
[15:55]	matey	the good news is they missed alaska
[15:55]	matey	that can still be the former usas secret weapon
[15:55]	britney	HAARP?
[15:56]	britney	its a weather control weapon
[15:56]	matey	haarp is interesting
[15:56]	matey	i think its my favourite theory, after aliens
[15:59]	britney	matey, https://i.imgur.com/ylWKfm1.png
● Aug 03
[16:01]	matey	ive seen that one
[16:01]	britney	its from a super rare conspiracy newspaper
[16:03]	britney	the aliens are neanderthals and they don't come from above, they come from below
[16:05]	britney	moho discontinuity!
[16:05]	britney	the fans go mad
[16:05]	XRevan86	britney: And here I thought there were in Eurasia.
[16:06]	britney	They could be there, but they would be in the moho discontinuity
[16:08]	britney	which is deep underground
[16:09]	britney	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Subduction-en.svg
[16:09]	matey	https://i.ibb.co/34FYmjy/notsayingitsaliens.png
[16:10]	britney	matey, lol
[16:11]	britney	that belongs on the techrights website
[16:12]	phanes	you guys are the ruminati about systemd lol
[16:12]	britney	Lennart is a space alien!
[16:12]	britney	I actually like systemd
[16:12]	phanes	ruminating always, chewing the cud of systemd hate
[16:12]	phanes	i do too
[16:12]	phanes	well kinda
[16:12]	matey	i mean
[16:13]	phanes	i think alot of features need ripped out
[16:13]	britney	im not in this for systemd hate
[16:13]	matey	i spent half a decade trying to get away from that shit
[16:13]	matey	finally jettisoned gnu/linux 
[16:13]	matey	i had better shit to do
[16:13]	britney	matey, yo dawg, i heard openbsd was gonna adopt launchd from mac
[16:13]	phanes	yeah in enterprise you can either learn systemd or open a hot dog stand in the parking lot to subsist on when they fire you for incompetence
[16:13]	matey	and the devs are the biggest cunts on "this side" of the industry
[16:13]	matey	because theyre not on this side
[16:14]	ulf	GNU software is anti-competitive
[16:14]	matey	 or open a hot dog stand <- fuck industry, systemd is made of the same stuff hot dogs are
[16:14]	ulf	#if _GNU_SOURCE #elif _POSIX_SOURCE #elif _XOPEN_SOURCE #elif _BSD_SOURCE
[16:14]	britney	hey ulf
[16:14]	phanes	matey, not really, it's objective better in two key areas than sysv was
[16:14]	phanes	*objectively
[16:14]	matey	thats microsoft sysv
[16:15]	matey	or it is now
[16:15]	britney	<ulf> GNU software is anti-competitive    <-- what do you mean?
[16:15]	ulf	britney: they're all sabotaging each other with incompatible changes, all of them, including GNU/FSF
[16:16]	matey	the need for systemd has been debunked up down and sideways
[16:16]	phanes	im sure it has nothing to do with huge corporations paying developers to contribute to look like they're open source friendly and community involved while sabotaging just well enough to force standardization changes
[16:16]	matey	industry can like whatever shit they like-- they liked windows
[16:16]	matey	 im sure it has nothing to do with huge corporations paying developers to contribute to look like they're open source friendly and community involved while sabotaging just well enough to force standardization changes <- im sure it has everything to do with that
[16:17]	phanes	matey, these are all trojan horses modeling after secureboot
[16:17]	matey	heh
[16:17]	phanes	mjg59_, wouldn't you agree?
[16:17]	matey	suckyour boot
[16:17]	phanes	or does your NDA preclude you from answering
[16:18]	phanes	oh he's not here somebody must've flushed the toilet
[16:18]	matey	they should call it licureboot
[16:18]	matey	can i licureboot, microsoft?
[16:18]	britney	ulf, GNU/FSF evil?
[16:19]	phanes	honestly an open source bios firmware effort that was actually better than what comes on mfg boards would fix alot of the problem there
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[16:19]	phanes	it can't be another tomato though
[16:29]	ulf	britney: what else?
[16:30]	ulf	they're not any better or different than all the others: *bsd, micros~1, whoever
[16:30]	ulf	all of it, anti-competitive sabotage
[16:42]	britney	can you give examples of anti-competitive sabotage?
[16:44]	phanes	major distro github repos being compromised in series starting immediately after the acquisition of github comes to mind
[16:48]	ulf	britney: try to compile any GNU/Linux distro you wish, with tinycc compiler, for example
[16:52]	ulf	bashism, another one
[16:52]	ulf	or this one #if _GNU_SOURCE #elif _POSIX_SOURCE #elif _XOPEN_SOURCE #elif _BSD_SOURCE
[16:52]	ulf	besides, it was RMS himself who introduced the term POSIX
[16:53]	ulf	britney: the fact you ask for example already shows you probably had never coped with "free software" as a developer
[16:56]	TR News	Globalization https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/03/globalization-greed-and-reality/ | Source: Counter Punch
[16:56]	TR Bot	Greed and Reality - CounterPunch.org
[16:58]	TR News	"In our drawers, theres gonna be quite a few old devices that weve forgotten about, and perhaps we ought to make them work for us instead." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/02/revive-your-old-e-ink-tablet-for-timetable-helper-duty/ | Source: Hackaday
[16:58]	TR Bot	Your Old E-Ink Tablet For Timetable Helper Duty | Hackaday
[16:59]	TR News	Elite Lapdogs https://www.projectcensored.org/elite-lapdogs-always-welcome-in-the-corporate-media/ | Source: Project Censored
[16:59]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/elite-lapdogs-always-welcome-in-the-corporate-media/ )
[16:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[16:59]	ulf	some minutes ago, tinycc assembler freaked out over some unsupported ASM syntax... and i do not see tinycc at fault with this
● Aug 03
[17:00]	ulf	and i mean, they're constantly knee-jerking themselves nowadays, because the entire "free software" and proprietary one alike collapses
[17:00]	ulf	this anti-competitive sabotage "made in usa", they wrecked almost everything with it
[17:01]	ulf	that's the reason why, i couldn't read developer.arm.com web site with w3m or links or lynx
[17:01]	TR News	"Whether youre trying to block websites to protect children from seeing inappropriate videos or minimize distractions, weve got you covered" https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/block-websites-any-device/ | Source: PIA
[17:01]	TR Bot	 How to Block Websites on iPhone (& Any Device)
[17:02]	ulf	obviously, nothing a terrorist would do; yet they say, in usa, everything had to be clusterfucked for the "five eyes", patriots they are
[17:02]	ulf	there's no illegal pornography involved either, which they like to smear onto as argument
[17:03]	ulf	to protect children or whatever
[17:04]	ulf	if this doesn't suffice, it's a racist thing to do, navigating documentation with w3m
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[17:05]	TR News	GAFAM versus women https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/02/how-big-tech-undermining-abortion-rights | Source: Common Dreams
[17:05]	TR Bot	 Opinion | How Big Tech Is Undermining Abortion Rights | Noel Hutton
[17:06]	TR News	"A coalition of watchdog organizations on Tuesday urged Democratic congressional leaders to "expeditiously" bring a ban on lawmaker stock trading up for a vote" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/02/cannot-wait-groups-warn-democrats-not-let-stock-trading-ban-die | Source: Common Dreams
[17:06]	TR Bot	 'This Cannot Wait': Groups Warn Democrats Not to Let Stock Trading Ban Die
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[17:19]	britney	ulf, do you use a text based ui?
[17:23]	TR News	Worst Coronavirus July on Record and Over 200,000 Dead in Latest Weekly Report https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/03/the-weekly-covid-19-data/
[17:23]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Worst Coronavirus July on Record and Over 200,000 Dead in Latest Weekly Report
[17:26]	TR News	Microsoft Pelosi (investing, for profit, in Microsoft crime) https://truthout.org/articles/22-government-watchdogs-ask-pelosi-and-schumer-to-act-on-congressional-stock-ban/ | Source: TruthOut
[17:26]	TR Bot	 22 Government Watchdogs Ask Pelosi and Schumer to Act on Congressional Stock Ban
[17:27]	TR News	Buying the government https://truthout.org/articles/report-lobbyists-raked-in-record-2-billion-in-first-6-months-of-2022/ | Source: TruthOut
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Report: Lobbyists Raked in Record $2 Billion in First 6 Months of 2022
[17:28]	ulf	britney: hey?
[17:28]	TR News	Pro Publica moaning about financial raiders while pocketing bribes from Famous Criminal Bill Gates (and of course never naming his crimes) https://www.propublica.org/article/what-is-private-equity
[17:28]	TR Bot	 What Is a Private Equity Firm? ProPublica
[17:29]	TR News	Pro Publica talking about "justice" while pocketing bribes from Bill Gates, a famous criminal who worked with Jeffrey Epstein very closely https://www.propublica.org/getinvolved/public-defenders-and-defense-attorneys-help-propublica-report-on-criminal-justice
[17:29]	TR Bot	 Public Defenders and Defense Attorneys: Help ProPublica Report on Criminal Justice ProPublica
[17:30]	TR News	But ProPublica, Bill Gates pretends to be a charity while bribing you to focus on other things. You're culpable and part of the problem now. https://www.propublica.org/article/a-right-wing-think-tank-claimed-to-be-a-church-now-members-of-congress-want-to-investigate
[17:30]	TR Bot	 A Right-Wing Think Tank Claimed to Be a Church. Now, Members of Congress Want to Investigate. ProPublica
[17:30]	TR News	"Shadowproof was launched seven years ago. With many crises facing our world, we are proud to still be publishing independent journalism." https://shadowproof.com/2022/08/02/shadowproofs-seventh-birthday-looking-back-on-another-year/ | Source: Shadowproof
[17:30]	TR Bot	Seventh Birthday: Looking Back On Another Year - Shadowproof
[17:33]	TR News	"Governments love targeting Twitter for user data requests" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/twitter-reports-spike-in-government-data-requests-including-double-the-amount-targeting-journalists/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:33]	TR Bot	Reports Spike In Government Data Requests, Including Double The Amount Targeting Journalists | Techdirt
[17:33]	TR News	FTC https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/if-oculus-were-separate-from-meta-would-the-ftc-still-block-its-latest-acquisition/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:34]	TR Bot	Oculus Were Separate From Meta, Would The FTC Still Block Its Latest Acquisition? | Techdirt
[17:34]	TR News	"At some point U.S. regulators effectively declared that it was okay to rip off consumers with a dizzying array of bogus fees" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/att-gets-yet-another-pathetic-wrist-slap-after-making-millions-from-shitty-fees/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:34]	TR Bot	Gets Yet Another Pathetic Wrist Slap After Making Millions From Shitty Fees | Techdirt
[17:35]	TR News	"There are two ways to deal with improving ham radio receivers" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/02/ham-radio-hacking-thinking-inside-the-box/ | Source: Hackaday
[17:35]	TR Bot	Radio Hacking: Thinking Inside The Box | Hackaday
[17:36]	TR News	"Its an election year, and like clockwork, legislators around the country want to show they care about protecting kids online." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/is-the-california-legislature-addicted-to-performative-election-year-stunts-that-threaten-the-internet/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:36]	TR Bot	the California Legislature Addicted to Performative Election-Year Stunts That Threaten the Internet? | Techdirt
[17:37]	TR News	"Bokeh is a photography term thats a bit difficult to define but is basically soft, aesthetically pleasing background blur" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/02/ultimate-bokeh-with-a-projector-lens/ | Source: Hackaday
[17:37]	TR Bot	Bokeh With A Projector Lens | Hackaday
[17:37]	TR News	"Is it too much to ask that politicians try to live in reality?" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/02/uks-likely-next-prime-minister-wants-a-pony-a-magic-internet-where-no-one-ever-says-any-bad-things/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:37]	TR Bot	Likely Next Prime Minister Wants A Pony: A Magic Internet Where No One Ever Says Any Bad Things | Techdirt
[17:38]	TR News	The Biggest Linux Security Mistakes - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QxNsyrftJ8I | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/QxNsyrftJ8I
[17:38]	TR Bot	 The Biggest Linux Security Mistakes - Invidious
[17:39]	TR News	Security updates for Wednesday [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/903676/ Source: LWN | Kernel | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/903676/
[17:39]	TR Bot	updates for Wednesday [LWN.net]
[17:39]	TR News	Linux Today links to spammy self-promotional FUD :/ https://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/linux-malware-surges-surpassing-android/
[17:39]	TR Bot	 New Linux Malware Surges, Surpassing Android | Linux Today
[17:40]	TR News	Insecurity 'as a service' https://containerjournal.com/features/securing-containers-with-zero-trust-tools/
[17:40]	TR Bot	 Securing Containers With Zero-Trust Tools - Container Journal
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[17:44]	phanes	coffee makes me poop
[17:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	okkk..
[17:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	comic insult dog
[17:48]	TR News	Security: Malware, Mistakes, Patches, and Snake-oil Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167958
[17:48]	TR Bot	 Security: Malware, Mistakes, Patches, and Snake-oil | Tux Machines
[17:51]	TR News	"Linux" trademark diluted a bit more https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/aais-linux-foundation-welcome-jefferson-braswell-openidl-project-ed/
[17:51]	TR Bot	 The American Association of Insurance Services & The Linux Foundation Welcome Jefferson Braswell as openIDL Project Executive Director - Linux Foundation
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[17:51]	TR News	Speek: An Open-source Anonymous Chat App Built on Tor Network Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167959
[17:51]	TR Bot	 Speek: An Open-source Anonymous Chat App Built on Tor Network | Tux Machines
[17:52]	TR News	As Windows is spyware that surveys/surveils every single user of Windows, Microsoft knows best whats going on and judging by this months numbers one can guess why they resort to overt antitrust violations with UEFI killswitch while GNOME/IBM helps them (for money and favours) http://techrights.org/2022/08/03/finland-2022-share-os/
[17:52]	TR Bot	 One Can Speculate Why Windows-Friendly OEMs Start Enforcing Windows-Only Boot on Laptops (Microsoft Blocking BSD and GNU/Linux With UEFI) | Techrights
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[17:54]	TR News	About 50,000 more UK COVID-19 deaths this past year. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/03/the-weekly-covid-19-data/
[17:54]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Worst Coronavirus July on Record and Over 200,000 Dead in Latest Weekly Report
[17:55]	TR News	"RAID, or Redundant Array of Independent Drives (or Disks), is a phrase for information storage techniques that partition and copy data over several hard drives. RAID could be built to improve the validity and reliability of data or I/O efficiency, albeit one purpose may damage the other." https://linuxhint.com/raid-5-vs-raid-10/
[17:55]	TR Bot	 RAID 5 vs. RAID 10 Explained
[17:56]	TR News	Before Batgirl: 10 Near-Complete Movies That Never Saw Release https://tedium.co/2022/08/03/10-unreleased-completed-movies/ Source: tedium | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/08/03/10-unreleased-completed-movies/
[17:56]	TR Bot	 Before Batgirl: 10 Near-Complete Movies That Never Saw Release
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[18:05]	TR News	[git pull] drm for 5.20/6.0 - Dave Airlie https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAPM=9twFEv8AcRQG-WXg5owy_Xhxy3DqnvVCFHgtd4TYCcKWEQ@mail.gmail.com/ Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAPM=9twFEv8AcRQG-WXg5owy_Xhxy3DqnvVCFHgtd4TYCcKWEQ@mail.gmail.com/
[18:05]	TR Bot	 [git pull] drm for 5.20/6.0 - Dave Airlie
[18:05]		*matey has quit (connection closed)
[18:05]	TR News	[GIT PULL] HID for 5.20 - Jiri Kosina https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/nycvar.YFH.7.76.2208022133430.19850@cbobk.fhfr.pm/ Source: cbobk | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/nycvar.YFH.7.76.2208022133430.19850@cbobk.fhfr.pm/
[18:05]	TR Bot	 [GIT PULL] HID for 5.20 - Jiri Kosina
[18:06]	TR News	[GIT PULL] Networking for 6.0 - Paolo Abeni https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220803101438.24327-1-pabeni@redhat.com/ Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220803101438.24327-1-pabeni@redhat.com/
[18:06]	TR Bot	 [GIT PULL] Networking for 6.0 - Paolo Abeni
[18:07]	TR News	Drone Contraband Deliveries Are Rampant at US Prisons | WIRED UK https://www.wired.co.uk/article/drone-contraband-deliveries-prisons-united-states Source: wired | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.wired.co.uk/article/drone-contraband-deliveries-prisons-united-states
[18:07]	TR Bot	 Drone Contraband Deliveries Are Rampant at US Prisons | WIRED UK
[18:08]	TR News	New committer in freebsd: Felix Palmen (ports) https://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash/#2022-08-01:1
[18:08]	TR Bot	 FreeBSD News Flash | The FreeBSD Project
[18:08]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167960
[18:08]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
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[18:17]	matey	fucking mouse
[18:18]	matey	dont know if keyboard can compete with it for pure evil
[18:18]	TR News	Fake security with proprietary junk https://www.dignited.com/98061/authy-two-factor-authentication/ misfiled as "linux"
[18:18]	TR Bot	 Authy: A Review of the Best Two-Factor Authentication App (+Alternatives)
[18:20]	TR News	Add custom windows to GDB: Programming the TUI in Python | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/03/add-custom-windows-gdb-programming-tui-python Source: ICBM
[18:20]	TR Bot	 Add custom windows to GDB: Programming the TUI in Python | Red Hat Developer
[18:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	1980s: here a mouse
[18:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	I think the famous demo predates the 1980s
[18:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	2022: here, a mouse
[18:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	Apple: we  innovated a mouse
[18:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	fewer buttons!!
[18:21]	matey	britney  |matey, yo dawg, i heard openbsd was gonna adopt launchd from mac <- i dont think thats what happened / will happpen
[18:22]	TR News	Apple motto: less is more, except for prices ;-)
[18:22]	britney	matey, i was trying to get a rise out of you
[18:22]	matey	thats funny
[18:22]	matey	but their rc.d is like a masterclass in not fucking with things
[18:23]	britney	it limits the attack surface
[18:23]	matey	hehehehehehe
[18:23]	TR News	"A couple of weeks ago I was inspired by an old LTT video to try to make my own portable Bluetooth speaker. They used some 2 full-range Dayton Audio drivers and 1 tweeters along with an inexpensive Bluetooth amplifier module." https://www.the-diy-life.com/3d-printed-bluetooth-transmission-line-speaker/
[18:23]	TR Bot	 3D Printed Bluetooth Transmission Line Speaker - The DIY Life
[18:23]	matey	im glad youve been here since roy figured out how to register a dns 
[18:23]	britney	attack surface
[18:24]	matey	it implies youre going to be here a while
[18:24]	britney	roy figured something out?
[18:24]	matey	or at least that youll be back
[18:24]	matey	<britney> roy figured something out? <- probably. maybe someone else did it
[18:24]	TR News	Peppermint 08-02-2022 is out, but the site does not bear an official page yet https://peppermintos.com/2022/02/peppermint-release-notes/
[18:24]	TR Bot	 Peppermint Release Notes Peppermint OS
[18:24]	matey	youre sassy today
[18:24]	britney	last i heard he was still working on that agate gemini server
[18:25]	britney	i got the shavit one, its written in Golang
[18:25]	matey	"i use shavit btw"
[18:26]	TR News	"Most of OBS's users run Windows. But it is a feature that's growing to be more and more relevant in that Linux lacks HDR support entirely as inexpensive HDR monitors proliferate." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1338452-obs-studio-28-beta-1-brings-10-bit-hdr-video-encoding-qt6-toolkit
[18:26]	TR Bot	Studio 28 Beta 1 Brings 10-bit & HDR Video Encoding, Qt6 Toolkit - Phoronix Forums
[18:26]	TR News	"And X.org on Phoronix has been pronounced dead and an enemy of the bright Linux future countless times already" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1338452-obs-studio-28-beta-1-brings-10-bit-hdr-video-encoding-qt6-toolkit
[18:27]	matey	ive used text-to-speech engines enough to know that "btw" is a french-sounded word, pronounved "bitwoouh"
[18:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	britney: no, we use https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/x86/gmni
[18:27]	TR Bot	 Alpine Linux packages
[18:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	sorry, wrong page
[18:27]	britney	i use shavit btw
[18:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://git.sr.ht/~int80h/gemserv
[18:28]	TR Bot	 ~int80h/gemserv - sourcehut git
[18:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	i btw shavit use
[18:28]	britney	i guess you couldn't use agate?
[18:29]	matey	/me wants a cpu instruction set called btw instead of arm, x86 etc
[18:29]	TR News	"This is a brief summary of bugs fixed between Ubuntu 22.04 and 22.04.1." New LTS out soon https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-point-release-changes/29835
[18:29]	TR Bot	 Jammy Jellyfish Point-Release Changes - Release - Ubuntu Community Hub
[18:29]	matey	then i can say "i use btw arch"
[18:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	britney: techrights uses agate
[18:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	agate does only static pages
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's also rust :/
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	and also shithub
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	both rust and agate
[18:30]	britney	your new one is rust too
[18:30]	matey	and this is why i dont have a gemini server yet
[18:30]	matey	because there is one
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	no, it's C
[18:30]	matey	but it was a pain to configure, because it hooks into blah blah blah
[18:30]	britney	schestowitz[TR2], it literally says its rust
[18:31]	britney	# Gemserv
[18:31]	britney	A gemini server written in rust.
[18:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the codert made his own laaanguage
[18:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	hare
[18:31]		*schestowitz[TR2] restarts barrier
[18:31]	britney	the gemini server i use is written in go so its better
[18:32]	matey	go is probably better than rust
[18:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	ok, now it's more reponsib
[18:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	emy guess is, barrier is relegated to swap
[18:32]	matey	but c/srht beats go/github
[18:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then there is this lag which results in hanging input passage
[18:33]	britney	shavit isn't hosted on shithub either
[18:34]	matey	https://git.sr.ht/~yotam/shavit
[18:34]	TR Bot	 ~yotam/shavit - sourcehut git
[18:34]	matey	~yotam <- my australian cousin
[18:34]	TR News	SVT-AV1 1.2 https://gitlab.com/AOMediaCodec/SVT-AV1/-/releases/v1.2.0 Intel used to use GitLAB a lot more before the Microsofters invaded the company (now operating ar a LOSS) http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
[18:34]	TR Bot	Alliance for Open Media / SVT-AV1 GitLab
[18:34]	TR Bot	 Intel leaks - Techrights
[18:34]	britney	see lol
[18:34]	matey	yotam upside down is matoy
[18:35]	matey	obviously a distant relative
[18:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's what you say to your vietnamese mate
[18:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	"yo! tam!"
[18:36]	matey	/me imagines vietnamese women giggling
[18:37]	TR News	Clear Linux is dead (nobody uses it), but Phoronix still treats it like 'on par' with Ubuntu (maybe because of the Intel context in today's "Intel Core i7 1280P Windows 11 vs. Ubuntu vs. Clear Linux Performance")
[18:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	there must be like 10,000 or more tam nguyen
[18:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	but I know none
[18:41]	TR News	Releasing Slax 15.0 based on Slackware again after 9 years and 11.4 based on Debian Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167961
[18:41]	TR Bot	 Releasing Slax 15.0 based on Slackware again after 9 years and 11.4 based on Debian | Tux Machines
[18:43]	britney	attack surface
[18:43]	matey	 :)
[18:43]	TR News	xkcd: Chemtrails https://xkcd.com/2654/
[18:43]	TR Bot	Chemtrails
[18:43]	matey	i use attack surface btw
[18:43]	britney	i use arch btw
[18:43]	britney	xkcd: Chemtrails <--- real
[18:44]	matey	100% genuine water vapour
[18:44]	britney	https://xkcd.com/966/
[18:44]	TR Bot	Jet Fuel
[18:44]	TR News	OpenMandriva Lx ROME Technical Preview Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167698#comment-34501
[18:44]	TR Bot	 OpenMandriva Lx ROME (Rolling) Technical Preview | Tux Machines
[18:46]	britney	<btw> i use arch </btw>
[18:47]	matey	i use arch eh
[18:47]	britney	i switched to arch from fedora for the memes
[18:47]	matey	thats like converting to judaism for the jokes
[18:47]	britney	lol
[18:47]	matey	"and that offends you as a jewish person?"
[18:47]	matey	"NO, it offends me as a comedian!"
[18:47]	TR News	Adding a battery gauge to a Citron C-Zero electric car | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/03/adding-a-battery-gauge-to-a-citroen-c-zero-electric-car/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/03/adding-a-battery-gauge-to-a-citroen-c-zero-electric-car/
[18:47]	TR Bot	 Adding a battery gauge to a Citron C-Zero electric car | Arduino Blog
[18:48]	TR News	New Version of Open Source Podcast Client gPodder Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167962
[18:48]	TR Bot	 New Version of Open Source Podcast Client gPodder Released | Tux Machines
[18:51]	TR News	Revoy "posted a new Pepper&Carrot episode on peppercarrot website" https://www.davidrevoy.com/article920/episode-37-the-tears-of-the-phoenix
[18:51]	TR Bot	 Episode 37: The Tears of the Phoenix - David Revoy
[18:52]	TR News	"We debate the lies our tool makers tell us, if Clojure has a Rails-sized hole, and the secrets of a successful software engineer." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149427/sweet-little-lies-coder-radio-477/
[18:52]	TR Bot	 Sweet Little Lies | Coder Radio 477 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[18:52]	TR News	My experience at the [sadly infiltrated by Microsofter] Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE 19x) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eZcvnmmihuo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/eZcvnmmihuo
[18:52]	TR Bot	 My experience at the Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE 19x) - Invidious
[18:53]	TR News	EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis Quick overview #linux #EndeavourOS - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5hss6Y5yYw8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/5hss6Y5yYw8
[18:53]	TR Bot	 EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis Quick overview #linux #EndeavourOS - Invidious
[18:53]	TR News	Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino, 3D Printing, EncroPi, and More Raspberry Pi Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167963
[18:53]	TR Bot	 Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino, 3D Printing, EncroPi, and More Raspberry Pi | Tux Machines
[18:53]	TR News	Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Cinnamon Overview | Sleek, modern, innovative - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vCbU2mCkXwo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/vCbU2mCkXwo
[18:53]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Cinnamon Overview | Sleek, modern, innovative - Invidious
[18:55]	MinceR	03 110412 < mjg59_> But it doesn't mandate them, so it's still hard to review
[18:55]	MinceR	mjg wants programmers to be straitjacketed
[18:56]	matey	its really his brand of security
[18:56]	MinceR	bondage-and-discipline
[18:56]	MinceR	"security"
[18:56]	MinceR	also, pascal can't handle strings over 255 characters
[18:57]	MinceR	at least C++ std::string allows greater lengths
[18:57]	matey	not even freepascal?
[18:57]	matey	even qbasic can outdo that :/
[18:58]	matey	freepascal is 32bit, maybe theres a 64, qb is 16
[18:58]	MinceR	dunno, the last pascal i used was borland pascal
[18:59]	MinceR	and it used 1 byte at the start of the string to store length
[18:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[18:59]	MinceR	did standard pascal even _have_ strings?
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[19:02]	matey	freepascal has a backwards compatible shortstring type
[19:02]	matey	it also has 3 other stringtypes 
[19:02]	matey	AnsiString has a variable length that is limited only by the value of High(SizeInt) (which is platfom dependant) and available memory. It is a reference counted type.
[19:02]	matey	so youll be okay with freepascal, except you still have to write in pascal :/
[19:03]	MinceR	does freepascal still treat the standard library as special?
[19:03]	MinceR	i.e. only it can have functions with a variable number of arguments
[19:03]	matey	granted his moves the goalpost a bit given what i said about pascal earlier
[19:03]	MinceR	also, freepascal is still a bondage-and-discipline language
[19:03]	matey	i dont know, i just looked this up
[19:03]	matey	i compiled hello world in fp once
[19:03]	TR News	Sean Michael Kerner is doing stenography (corporate spam basically) for his new employer. :/ https://venturebeat.com/2022/08/03/truera-joins-intel-disruptor-program-to-advance-ai-model-quality/
[19:03]	TR Bot	joins Intel Disruptor program to advance AI model quality | VentureBeat
[19:04]	matey	then i got bored and left it 
[19:04]	matey	well to be fair, so is pascal
[19:04]	matey	its just light bondage
[19:05]	TR News	Puff pieces as a service = PPaaS
[19:06]	TR News	Neowin still a Linux-hostile Microsoft shilling site. New name, Usama Jawad, promotes Microsoft ATTACK on GNU/Linux today.
[19:06]	TR News	Fedora 37 Default Wallpaper Looks Refreshing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167964
[19:06]	TR Bot	 Fedora 37 Default Wallpaper Looks Refreshing | Tux Machines
[19:07]	TR News	Best Linux Distributions for an Old Laptop in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167965
[19:07]	TR Bot	 Best Linux Distributions for an Old Laptop in 2022 | Tux Machines
[19:09]	AdmFubar	and brightly colored puff pieces toohttps://www.paaseastereggs.com/
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[19:12]	TR News	Videos: Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Cinnamon, EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis, SCaLE 19x, and Coder Radio Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167966
[19:12]	TR Bot	 Videos: Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Cinnamon, EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis, SCaLE 19x, and Coder Radio | Tux Machines
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	AdmFubar: puffy stuff
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	how many pieces per pack?
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	"6 puff pieces for $1000"
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	"you name the topic"
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	"we'll assign a fake journalist"
[19:14]	ulf	journalists, it's not a recognized profession
[19:15]	ulf	journalistic standard, name a source, cite nonsense to proof nonsense
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	uf would love udo
[19:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/conspiracy-of-silence-for-microsoft/
[19:22]	TR Bot	 Conspiracy of Silence: The Corporate Media Does Not Speak About Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot | Techrights
[19:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	oops, wrong url
[19:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2021/04/15/bundestagate-part-19/
[19:23]	TR Bot	 EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag Part 19: The Deafening Silence of the Media | Techrights
[19:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	r Udo Ulfkotte.
[19:34]	ulf	anyway, the software-quality is that bad, i wanted to dispose it entirely
[19:35]	ulf	GNU, BSD, micros~1; as far as micros~1 was concerned, the only relevant difference for a developer is their sources or closed
[19:36]	ulf	i already do reject all "web browsers", it's not a huge step to turn off computer entirely
[19:36]	ulf	i mean, it's almost the best anyone interested in "computer science" could do, avoiding any computer
[19:37]	ulf	and grab a math book instead
[19:38]	ulf	certainly, i can proceed with tinycc integration, yet even then it's unacceptable
[19:38]	ulf	quality is that bad, it's not worth any discussion anymore
[19:39]	TR News	Links 03/08/2022: Release of Slax 15.0 and Fedora 37&#8242;s Default Wallpaper | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/03/release-of-slax-15-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/03/release-of-slax-15-0/
[19:39]	TR Bot	 Links 03/08/2022: Release of Slax 15.0 and Fedora 37s Default Wallpaper | Techrights
[19:40]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167967
[19:40]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[19:48]	britney	tinycc has a lower attack surface
[19:51]	MinceR	apparently it also doesn't generate debug information, but who needs that?
[19:56]	AdmFubar	https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/policy/cloud-enterprise-privacy
[19:56]	TR Bot	bills treatment of cloud companies evolved quickly - Protocol
[19:57]	ulf	MinceR: i didn't test debugging yet; did you?
[19:58]	ulf	it's futile to discuss too, because it's blocked at gdb-7.12
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[19:59]	britney	part of the conspiracy
● Aug 03
[20:01]	AdmFubar	https://www.protocol.com/fintech/crypto-crash-ransomware
[20:01]	TR Bot	decline: Crypto prices are a factor - Protocol
[20:02]	TR News	Two Microsoft front groups converge, LF and OSI https://blog.opensource.org/the-five-stages-of-the-open-source-program-office/
[20:02]	TR Bot	 The five stages of the Open Source Program Office - Voices of Open Source
[20:03]	britney	i wonder if the reptilians listen to snake jazz
[20:03]	TR News	The LF and OSI nowadays exist for openwashing of proprietary software, i.e. to not actually change anything except buzzwords and perception.
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[20:07]	MinceR	ulf: tinycc is not as important to me as it is to you
[20:10]	XRevan86	MinceR: How'd ye rate its importance to you?
[20:10]	MinceR	\_()_/
[20:10]	XRevan86	Considering that there are other small maintained C compilers out there.
[20:11]	MinceR	maybe it could be useful combined with lisp/c or c-mera
[20:11]	ulf	MinceR: why are you distracting?
[20:11]	TR News	"Nearly 75% of all mobile phones run Android, based on the Linux kernel, and most servers that host websites and other content run on Linux. There are also several Linux distributions that individuals and organizations use to get their work done every day." https://www.unixmen.com/the-best-linux-commands-every-user-should-know-clear-and-simple-documentation/
[20:11]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/the-best-linux-commands-every-user-should-know-clear-and-simple-documentation/ )
[20:12]	ulf	it's a C90/99/11 compliant compiler, see for yourself how far you'll get with "Free Software" then
[20:12]	ulf	if you said standards compliance and quality aren't important, that's another statement
[20:12]	AdmFubar	If Stephen King is scared by it.. it must be bad! https://www.rawstory.com/novelist-stephen-king-star-witness-in-anti-trust-trial/
[20:12]	MinceR	ulf: who made you the moderator?
[20:12]	TR Bot	 Novelist Stephen King star witness in anti-trust trial - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism
[20:13]	ulf	MinceR: moderator? why?
[20:13]	ulf	if you want to say software-quality isn't important, standards compliance isn't important, fine, say so.
[20:14]	TR News	Stable Kernels: 5.18.16, 5.15.59, 5.10.135, and 5.4.209 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167968
[20:14]	TR Bot	 Stable Kernels: 5.18.16, 5.15.59, 5.10.135, and 5.4.209 | Tux Machines
[20:14]	TR News	Slackware-Based Slax Linux Is Back After 9 Years of Hiatus Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167969
[20:14]	TR Bot	 Slackware-Based Slax Linux Is Back After 9 Years of Hiatus | Tux Machines
[20:14]	TR News	NVIDIA Jetson AGX Orin 32GB production module is now available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167970
[20:14]	TR Bot	 NVIDIA Jetson AGX Orin 32GB production module is now available | Tux Machines
[20:15]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167971
[20:15]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[20:15]	MinceR	ulf: i don't code in c
[20:15]	TR News	The Best Linux Commands Every User Should Know (Clear and Simple Documentation) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167972
[20:15]	TR Bot	 The Best Linux Commands Every User Should Know (Clear and Simple Documentation) | Tux Machines
[20:20]	ulf	MinceR: and how then could you argue what's important and what isn't?
[20:27]	TR News	No place for privacy in India as government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/no-place-for-privacy-in-india-as-government-withdraws-data-protection-bill/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/no-place-for-privacy-in-india-as-government-withdraws-data-protection-bill/
[20:27]	TR Bot	 No place for privacy in India as government withdraws Personal Data Protection Bill - Access Now
[20:27]	TR News	The Jamaica NIDS digital identification program: a cautionary tale - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/jamaica-nids-digital-id/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/jamaica-nids-digital-id/
[20:27]	TR Bot	 The Jamaica NIDS digital identification program: a cautionary tale - Access Now
[20:30]	TR News	"Between 2022-07-27 and 2022-08-03 there were 28 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 284 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 9.9 % of total released titles..." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-08-03-edition/
[20:30]	TR Bot	 New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-08-03 Edition - Boiling Steam
[20:31]	TR News	Fake "awards" as mere marketing/PR stunts https://www.suse.com/c/suse-rancher-wins-three-awards/
[20:31]	TR Bot	Rancher wins three awards from TrustRadius as Best Feature Set, Best Value, and Best Relationship in container management | SUSE Communities
[20:32]	MinceR	ulf: easily
[20:32]	TR News	"Microsoft software engineer Stephen Hemminger has proposed removing the DECnet protocol handling code from the Linux kernel. The timing is ironic, as this comes just two weeks after VMS Software Inc announced that OpenVMS 9.2 was really ready this time" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167973
[20:32]	TR Bot	 Re: That proposal to remove DECNET support from Linux kernel | Tux Machines
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	Microsoft loves nLinux traitors
[20:35]	TR News	Re: That proposal to remove DECNET support from Linux kernel Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167973
[20:36]	TR News	Proprietary garbage. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/03/vmware-releases-security-updates-0
[20:36]	TR Bot	 VMware Releases Security Updates | CISA
[20:36]	TR News	16 Best Open-source Free Ghost Blog Themes for 2022 https://medevel.com/16-ghost-themes-os/ Source: medevel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//medevel.com/16-ghost-themes-os/
[20:36]	TR Bot	 16 Best Open-source Free Ghost Blog Themes for 2022
[20:38]	TR News	Making up more job titles https://www.fosslife.org/whats-automation-engineer
[20:38]	TR Bot	 Whats an Automation Engineer?
[20:39]	TR News	Red Hat as software police. Beyond sigstore https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/SLSA-framework-measuring-supply-chain-security-maturity
[20:39]	TR Bot	 I will take the Red (Hat) SLSA please: Introducing a framework for measuring supply chain security maturity
[20:41]	TR News	Red Hat pays Microsoft marketing/de facto PR firm for fake, paid-for, manufactured "recommendation", feeding a vicious and rogue industry of fake "analysts" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/forrester-total-economic-impact-study-reveals-red-hat-services-and-support-openshift-delivers-roi-over-700 http://techrights.org/wiki/Forrester
[20:41]	TR Bot	 Forrester Consulting Total Economic Impact study reveals Red Hat Services and Support for OpenShift delivered ROI of over 700%
[20:41]	TR Bot	 Forrester - Techrights
[20:42]	TR News	"GTK4 screenshot of writer using true GtkScrollbars rather than themed Vcl ScrollBars. Long press enters gtk's usual fine control mode for scrolling." http://caolanm.blogspot.com/2022/08/gtk34-gtkscrollbar-for-writer-documents.html
[20:42]	TR Bot	 Caoln McNamara: GTK[3|4] GtkScrollbar for writer documents
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[20:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	hi ryan
[20:45]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167974
[20:45]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[20:46]	TR News	Some time tonight the Gemini capsule of Techrights will be up to date again. Takes about 24 hours to restore from backup. Maybe tomorrow Tux Machines will be ready to access (new stories) over Gemini.
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● Aug 03
[21:06]	AdmFubar	https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/03/nist_quantum_resistant_crypto_cracked/
[21:06]	TR Bot	 Post-quantum crypto cracked in an hour with one Xeon core The Register
[21:09]	MinceR	(cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/W2AuS0J
[21:09]	TR Bot	heard of personal space huh? - Album on Imgur
[21:18]	AdmFubar	https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/03/virginia-politicians-are-suing-books-they-dont-like/
[21:18]	TR Bot	Politicians Are Suing Books They Dont Like | Techdirt
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[21:29]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/08/microsoft-playing-dumb-on-anti-abortion-donations-activists-say/
[21:29]	TR Bot	 Microsofts $3M anti-abortion donations under fire from activists, shareholders | Ars Technica
[21:54]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/08/03/t-j-maxx-in-trouble-for-knowingly-selling-recalled-products-that-can-cause-fires-and-kill-babies-this-is-the-natural-result-of-republican-political-corruption/
[21:54]	TR Bot	 T.J. Maxx in trouble for knowingly selling recalled products that can cause fires and kill babies. This is the natural result of Republican political corruption. BaronHK's Rants
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[22:27]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/05/12/funny-overheard-courthouse-instagram/
[22:27]	TR Bot	 The 'Overheard Courthouse' Instagram Account Shares Funny Conversations People Heard In Court (50 Pics)
[22:44]	psydruid	is T.J. Maxx the same company as the one that is called TK Maxx over here in Europe?
[22:45]	DaemonFC	Not sure.
[22:46]	psydruid	"In the UK, TJ Maxx is known as TK Maxxas well as in Ireland, Poland, The Netherlands and Germany. The name was modified to avoid confusion with the British retail chain T. J. Hughes. The European Headquarters are based in Watford, Hertfordshire."
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[22:59]	phanes	 when you turn a routine service request into a portfolio annex that increases your company's revenue that's amore 
● Aug 03
[23:06]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], I asked RMS to put a "Walmart" section on his site about the remodels with the self-checkouts, the higher in-store prices, and the credit card points schemes. "Carrot and stick" to make you use proprietary software and use a credit card.
[23:07]	phanes	i actually prefer using cards
[23:07]	phanes	its cheaper than paying someone to hold my money while i walk around
[23:08]	DaemonFC	Hold your money while you walk around?
[23:09]	phanes	i mean
[23:09]	phanes	you just try finding an intern willing to walk around with a wheelbarrow full of cash
[23:10]	DaemonFC	About the only advantage I've seen to paying online is if I tell Walmart they left something out of my order or they handed me a busted can, the thing just says "Okay, here's the $3 back on your card. No need to come return it.".
[23:10]		*phanes slips a 20 in DaemonFC's shirt pocket
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[23:10]	DaemonFC	It happens often enough that one time is a nuisance, but over time, it adds up.
[23:11]	DaemonFC	So when some idiot busts a can and throws it in my shopping bag today, and two weeks from now, they forget my salad dressing, and then a month later they hand me a bag of chicken that's busted and oozing all over the sack, it adds up into an amount of money that is important.
[23:12]	phanes	i dont even go to the grocery store in person anymore tbh
[23:12]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I don't do that much.
[23:12]	DaemonFC	It's not worth going in there, honestly.
[23:13]	DaemonFC	I'm literally paying the store (higher prices in-store, less credit card points) in order to go in and do free labor (shopping and ringing myself up).
[23:13]	DaemonFC	So it's beneath me to do my own shopping at this point. And the funny part is sometimes they actually assign Mandy to go pull our own grocery trip.
[23:14]	DaemonFC	So if it's paying him $20 an hour to shop for our own groceries, I mean, why in the Hell would I go in there, do it for free, pay 7-8% more, and then ring myself up and maybe have the system accuse me of trying to steal something while I'm in there?
[23:15]	DaemonFC	Then I touch touch touch the nasty self-checkout that everyone in Waukegan has touched and get the Monkeypox.
[23:15]	DaemonFC	The TikTok lawyer claims that Walmart just goes full Hertz rent-a-car with the shoplifting accusations because nobody punishes them if they're wrong.
[23:16]	DaemonFC	No problem for them. Big problem for you!
[23:16]	phanes	https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/458/339/381.png
[23:17]	DaemonFC	It's not worth Walmart's time to try to filter out who actually stole something from them.
[23:17]	DaemonFC	They can just have accusations fly and let the judge sort it all out.
[23:17]		*phanes pictures walmart as a dark ages villa where people poop into the streets out their 2nd story window and never goes there
[23:17]	DaemonFC	Someone got murdered there the other day, in the parking lot.
[23:17]	DaemonFC	There was an insane amount of blood all over the pavement.
[23:17]	DaemonFC	Gun deal gone wrong, I understand.
[23:18]	DaemonFC	Someone emptied a clip into the guy and then drove off.
[23:19]	DaemonFC	"I've seen people empty entire clips and hit nothing but air." -Morphius
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[23:19]	DaemonFC	Fuck, I live in Chicago. I see people empty entire clips and hit air, the city bus, a little old lady in the laundromat, and a school teacher coming out of Starbucks when the guy they were trying to kill was RIGHT THE FUCK THERE.
[23:20]	DaemonFC	They need to give these people shooting lessons in prison so there will be less of a mess when the parole board lets them out.
[23:22]	phanes	nobody lives in chicago unless they have to
[23:22]	phanes	chicago rhymes with 'poor'
[23:23]	phanes	when i have a layover in chicago i don't even leave the terminal
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[23:30]	ulf	i think that's why IBM Wintel do not release their sources of windows operating system, or intel CPUs:
[23:30]	ulf	it's probably that horrible quality, the entire globe would laugh their ass off and stocks crash
[23:31]	ulf	too, thats why GNU/FSF etc. are useful idiots, because MICROS~1 IBM Wintel point finters, it's the non-professional sources which are public
[23:31]	ulf	fingers
[23:32]	ulf	while theirs, their own, are supposedly much different, hence they can't release because it's too good
[23:32]	ulf	or, to rephrase this, even if micros~1 wintel wanted to publish sources, they couldn't
[23:34]	ulf	i mean it's almost impossible to produce worse quality than what GNU/FSF advertise as free
[23:35]	ulf	german government, while ago, insisted to take a look, hence microsoft offered a sealed room, with internet disconnect, video cameras forbidden, and strict NDA
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[23:37]	ulf	meanwhile, again, i am seeing GNU makefiles and libtool freak-out over an alternative compiler/linker inserted
[23:37]	ulf	the logfiles alone, are an insult to intellect
[23:37]	ulf	and if RMS is responsbile for this, i wanted to see him suffocate in the jail where Epstein ended
[23:38]	ulf	USA operates many prisons, certainly there is space left for BillG and the entire crowd of his
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[23:43]	psydruid	GNU is software made for a bygone era, there is no need to want to see RMS suffocate for that
[23:46]	ulf	whowever is responsible, advertising this as "free", got no more words for this
[23:46]	XRevan86	https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1554876349680173057.html Alex Jones' success story
[23:46]	TR Bot	 Thread by @GoAngelo on Thread Reader App Thread Reader App
[23:48]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/03/st-petersburg-region-authorities-order-enterprises-to-send-employees-to-military-retraining-where-they-will-repair-equipment-for-ukraine-war-news "St. Petersburg region authorities order  enterprises to send employees to military retraining where they will  repair equipment for Ukraine War"
[23:48]	TR Bot	 . 
[23:48]	ulf	i think you have not the slightest clue, how bad it is
[23:48]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/03/partial-mobilisation-announced-in-nagorno-karabakh-news "Partial mobilisation announced in Nagorno-Karabakh"
[23:48]	TR Bot	 . 
[23:49]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/03/azerbaijans-defence-ministry-announces-operation-revenge-in-nagorno-karabakh-russia-confirms-escalation-in-the-region-news "Azerbaijans Defence Ministry announces Operation Revenge in Nagorno-Karabakh, Russia confirms escalation in the region"
[23:49]	TR Bot	 . 
[23:49]	ulf	i mean, an error report of those build-system issues, it's almost impossible to report this conclusively
[23:49]	ulf	insanity, and evilness, certainly not "free" as in free
[23:50]	XRevan86	CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-2-08-03
[23:50]	TR Bot	 Dispatch for August 2 Telegraph
[23:50]	ulf	USA should be sanctioned over this, with an anti-trust against GNU/FSF and whoever else is involved
[23:51]	ulf	it's an act of sabotage against global economy what they did
[23:53]	ulf	this entire "software freedom", it's just a facade to justify all the other anti-competitive cancer spread by them
[23:54]	XRevan86	MinceR: One thing activelow and britny kind of did to this channel is that now I can't take anything written here seriously.
[23:54]	psydruid	I'm pretty sure I do have an idea how bad it is, but there is nothing I can do about software I didn't contribute to in the first place
[23:55]	XRevan86	(britny is more positive at least)
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