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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/cyC4F8v.jpg | Nov 03 00:59 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that internet news is super old | Nov 03 01:05 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> The law was enacted yesterday | Nov 03 01:06 |
| scientes | oh I see | Nov 03 01:06 |
| scientes | His amendment would require all online services that operate in Russia to install specialized equipment that would enable them to block websites banned by the Russian government with greater efficiency. | Nov 03 01:06 |
| scientes | but you can't do that with ESNI | Nov 03 01:06 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/18/80e6cb66891fad8a.jpg | Nov 03 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | And then it turns out it's a fake rubber tank | Nov 03 01:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Unfortunately, some Internet usage can be determined with heuristics | Nov 03 01:18 |
| MinceR | a fake rubber tank hiding a real steel tank | Nov 03 01:20 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: really to be horrible internet sepreration taken to full amount would see russia having it own ip address system split from everyone else. So all out going connections have to go by authorised proxies. | Nov 03 01:44 |
| scientes | oiaohm, that would be woorse than china | Nov 03 01:45 |
| scientes | but CGN (horrible acronym) would allow that | Nov 03 01:45 |
| scientes | just eliminating ipv4 from Russia | Nov 03 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Does not have to be eliminating ipv4 | Nov 03 01:45 |
| oiaohm | This was one of the possible solutions of running out of ipv4 instead of going ipv6. | Nov 03 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Basically massive nat. | Nov 03 01:46 |
| MinceR | it may yet happen | Nov 03 01:46 |
| scientes | I had a company that sells high-performance VPNs to Chinese companies contact me | Nov 03 01:46 |
| scientes | because I wrote a WireGuard patch | Nov 03 01:46 |
| MinceR | could also be country-level bastion host instead of NAT :> | Nov 03 01:46 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/632638.jpg | Nov 03 01:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: NAT= National Address Translation instead of just Network Address Translation. | Nov 03 01:47 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 03 01:47 |
| scientes | the internet is very fragile to such things as long as the big internet companies participate (which they are) | Nov 03 01:47 |
| oiaohm | A huge nat like this would screw up website data collection. | Nov 03 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Those wanting to collect that data would want servers inside. | Nov 03 01:48 |
| scientes | XRevan86, have you traveled to Georgia? | Nov 03 01:48 |
| oiaohm | scientes: Really internet companies still need physical cables in ground. Ground owns to government at end of day. So they really don't have a choice. | Nov 03 01:49 |
| MinceR | they could use radio | Nov 03 01:50 |
| scientes | oiaohm, yeah that is a good point | Nov 03 01:50 |
| MinceR | or laser | Nov 03 01:50 |
| scientes | especially YouTube, which is very friendly to censorship requests | Nov 03 01:50 |
| scientes | even though they certainly have veto power | Nov 03 01:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Radar and lazer you still need power. | Nov 03 01:50 |
| scientes | due to universal https | Nov 03 01:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there are still lines on the ground government controlls. | Nov 03 01:50 |
| oiaohm | We don't have highly functional sat internet. | Nov 03 01:51 |
| MinceR | you could do it from beyond the border :> | Nov 03 01:51 |
| MinceR | or from space | Nov 03 01:51 |
| scientes | oiaohm, we do, its just slow | Nov 03 01:51 |
| oiaohm | I said functional. | Nov 03 01:51 |
| scientes | HughesNet works quite well in the US | Nov 03 01:51 |
| scientes | but that requires geosyncronous satellite | Nov 03 01:51 |
| oiaohm | scientes: geosynconous satelites governments claim ownership of. | Nov 03 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Just like land. | Nov 03 01:52 |
| scientes | oiaohm, its very difficult to talk from ground to non-geosync satellites | Nov 03 01:53 |
| scientes | oiaohm, also Russia and China have ability to shoot down satellites | Nov 03 01:53 |
| oiaohm | There have been a few attempts to make government neutral using non-geosync satelines. | Nov 03 01:53 |
| scientes | which they like to brag about | Nov 03 01:53 |
| scientes | we do have GPS+GLONASS full redundancy | Nov 03 01:53 |
| scientes | which is pretty bad-ass | Nov 03 01:54 |
| oiaohm | scientes: the ablitity to shoot down satelites is why geosynconous is basically sitting duck. | Nov 03 01:54 |
| scientes | they can shoot down any of them | Nov 03 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Russia, China, India and the USA have all demoed shooting down a satelite. | Nov 03 01:54 |
| scientes | they are sitting ducks because they do not have enough power to dodge anything | Nov 03 01:54 |
| scientes | and propulsion in space does not just require power, but also a reduction in mass (including oxygen, so much more mass than in the atmosphere) | Nov 03 01:55 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/4/18295310/amazon-project-kuiper-satellite-internet-low-earth-orbit-facebook-spacex-starlink amazon is kind of working on a counter measure. | Nov 03 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Amazon will launch thousands of satellites to provide internet around the world - The Verge | Nov 03 01:55 | |
| scientes | oiaohm, how do those not run into each other? | Nov 03 01:56 |
| oiaohm | You shot down one there is only a few thousand others to take it place. | Nov 03 01:56 |
| oiaohm | They don't need care majorly as are in low earth orbit so naturally degrading. This is basically the satellite equal to chaff. | Nov 03 01:57 |
| oiaohm | As cheep as possible and as many as possible a few run into each other no problem. | Nov 03 01:58 |
| scientes | yeah but the trajectories are at orbital | Nov 03 01:58 |
| scientes | i never got how satellites don't run into each other | Nov 03 01:58 |
| scientes | like the way that we get solar eclipses | Nov 03 01:58 |
| oiaohm | Space is in fact quite large. | Nov 03 01:58 |
| oiaohm | Low orbit is naturally degrading so the stuff there does fall back into the earth after about 3 years. | Nov 03 01:59 |
| scientes | geosync is medium orbit | Nov 03 01:59 |
| scientes | its MUCH higher | Nov 03 01:59 |
| oiaohm | As you go higher you get more space to travel in. | Nov 03 02:00 |
| oiaohm | And longer duration of operation. | Nov 03 02:00 |
| oiaohm | The high orbiting above geosync if everything goes to plan that material does not come back to the earth. | Nov 03 02:01 |
| oiaohm | https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/spacecraft-graveyard/en/ Yes the concept of the grave yard orbit of the satelite equal of hey lets sweap that under the rug and pretend its not there any more. | Nov 03 02:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spaceplace.nasa.gov | Where Do Old Satellites Go When They Die? | NASA Space Place – NASA Science for Kids | Nov 03 02:05 | |
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| scientes | oiaohm, hehehehehe | Nov 03 04:50 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: hehe is lot like it just think of the day when someone sends a collection robot to the grave yard orbits and brings all that mass back in one very big hit. This would quite a warped SCIFI movie but based on scary possible reality. | Nov 03 08:20 |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 03 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Wow is right. I'm shocked. I've asked Mozilla at its subreddit if it has gotten an investment by System1. | Nov 03 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for the link! | Nov 03 10:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 03 10:32 |
| schestowitz | looks like Mozilla is deeply corrupted | Nov 03 10:32 |
| schestowitz | but we're still checking | Nov 03 10:32 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: No, to neither one. | Nov 03 12:15 |
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| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innobase#History hm, peculiar… Oracle bought developers of InnoDB five years before they bought MySQL. | Nov 03 13:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Innobase - Wikipedia | Nov 03 13:16 | |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: I need your thoughts on something | Nov 03 13:34 |
| schestowitz | db-related | Nov 03 13:34 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines | Nov 03 13:34 |
| schestowitz | drupal.search_index | Nov 03 13:34 |
| schestowitz | error : Can't read key block from filepos: 286717952 | Nov 03 13:34 |
| schestowitz | error : Can't read key from filepos: 286717952 | Nov 03 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Error : Incorrect key file for table './drupal/search_index.MYI'; try to repair it | Nov 03 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Error : Incorrect key file for table './drupal/search_index.MYI'; try to repair it | Nov 03 13:35 |
| schestowitz | status : Operation failed | Nov 03 13:35 |
| schestowitz | what would you make of it? | Nov 03 13:35 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I will post more derails in another channel is you want | Nov 03 13:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Something went wrong with a MyISAM table index. | Nov 03 13:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: If it's not too big, you can simply re-create it I guess. | Nov 03 13:38 |
| schestowitz | it's just search | Nov 03 13:38 |
| schestowitz | but anyway, this king of incident was new | Nov 03 13:39 |
| schestowitz | I was able to repait it | Nov 03 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Repairing tables | Nov 03 13:39 |
| schestowitz | drupal.search_index | Nov 03 13:39 |
| schestowitz | warning : Number of rows changed from 12155167 to 12154634 | Nov 03 13:39 |
| XRevan86 | My interaction with MyISAM ends on ALTER TABLE `foo` ENGINE=InnoDB; | Nov 03 13:39 |
| XRevan86 | But this does indicate that something bad did happen. A crash or a forced shutdown? | Nov 03 13:40 |
| schestowitz | I rebooted the VM | Nov 03 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: I'm exchanging some notes | Nov 03 13:59 |
| schestowitz | with someone else who can assess this | Nov 03 13:59 |
| schestowitz | I think it's the first time we had damage to this db table | Nov 03 13:59 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, the gist of it is that MyISAM is not crash-safe | Nov 03 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | Why that mattered with a normal reboot is what gets me | Nov 03 14:02 |
| schestowitz | we did DB repair | Nov 03 14:03 |
| schestowitz | after the reboot | Nov 03 14:03 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: "DB repair" – myisamchk? | Nov 03 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Just out of curiosity… SELECT ENGINE, COUNT(*) FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES GROUP BY ENGINE; | Nov 03 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to open a cli db session | Nov 03 14:22 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 03 14:22 |
| schestowitz | while it's still working I want to forget it | Nov 03 14:22 |
| schestowitz | it rook me a while to get my mind back to news | Nov 03 14:23 |
| schestowitz | about 30 minutes of mild posy 'trauma'... very mild... not the right term to use | Nov 03 14:23 |
| XRevan86 | (it counts how many tables there are created with each storage engine; I wonder just how many MyISAM ones you have) | Nov 03 14:23 |
| schestowitz | So for now I want to focus on something else... unless the issue comes back | Nov 03 14:23 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: we did upgrade a few times | Nov 03 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | it used to be mysql | Nov 03 14:23 |
| schestowitz | now mariasb afaik | Nov 03 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | Storage Engine: MyISAM, Aria, InnoDB + some irrelevant ones | Nov 03 14:24 |
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| XRevan86 | Looked into Drupal for a mention of MyISAM, found https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/blob/8.9.x/core/lib/Drupal/Core/Database/Driver/mysql/Install/Tasks.php#L160 | Nov 03 14:28 |
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| XRevan86 | But that's the latest version… | Nov 03 14:32 |
| XRevan86 | https://git.drupalcode.org/project/drupal/blob/4.6.x/database/database.mysql#L16 | Nov 03 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.drupalcode.org | database/database.mysql · 4.6.x · project / drupal · GitLab | Nov 03 14:32 | |
| XRevan86 | A long time ago it hardcoded to MyISAM. Which makes sense, I suppose. | Nov 03 14:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: IIRC, Drupal 4.x is used, right? | Nov 03 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | no, 6 | Nov 03 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | On Drupal 6 there's no check in any direction. | Nov 03 14:41 |
| schestowitz | the check is in the mail | Nov 03 14:42 |
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| XRevan86 | Or better: SELECT ENGINE, COUNT(*) FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES WHERE TABLE_TYPE <> 'SYSTEM VIEW' GROUP BY ENGINE; | Nov 03 15:20 |
| XRevan86 | Not to count the "mysql" table, which also has MyISAM tables, which is not that interesting. | Nov 03 15:21 |
| XRevan86 | * the "mysql" DB | Nov 03 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | The second time today I used "table" instead of "database". Odd. | Nov 03 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: so far the site is doing ok | Nov 03 15:44 |
| schestowitz | maybe in 12 hours i'll fig in | Nov 03 15:44 |
| schestowitz | if all's ok | Nov 03 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | Well, it's just indices, it's not data. | Nov 03 15:44 |
| schestowitz | i also want to see what my friend who has access makes of it alll | Nov 03 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | The solution is obvious: ALTER TABLE ENGINE=InnoDB (: | Nov 03 15:46 |
| scientes | freedesktop.org domain name just expired | Nov 03 16:04 |
| scientes | someone forgot to renew it | Nov 03 16:04 |
| XRevan86 | Registry Expiry Date: 2024-11-01T15:33:47Z | Nov 03 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | Updated Date: 2019-11-03T15:09:37Z | Nov 03 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ancient history :P | Nov 03 16:25 |
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| XRevan86 | SELECT NAME FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.INNODB_SYS_TABLES WHERE SPACE = 0; | Nov 03 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | A list of tables in the InnoDB System Tablespace (ibdata1). | Nov 03 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | At least that's the result I expect from reading the docs. I don't have any. | Nov 03 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | anywhere | Nov 03 16:58 |
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| XRevan86 | https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/information-schema-innodb_sys_tables-table SPACE: "0 represents the InnoDB system tablespace, while any other value represents a table created in file-per-table mode" | Nov 03 16:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Information Schema INNODB_SYS_TABLES Table - MariaDB Knowledge Base | Nov 03 17:00 | |
| XRevan86 | The docs don't state what version of MariaDB this table was introduced in, so I'm not sure, and Oracle MySQL's docs only show it for MySQL 5.6. | Nov 03 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | * 5.6+ | Nov 03 17:02 |
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| XRevan86 | Today my Internet appears to be perfectly fine. | Nov 03 17:45 |
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| scientes | is there any way to set android to solar time | Nov 03 19:15 |
| scientes | given that it has gps | Nov 03 19:15 |
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| scientes | can timers be changed while active? | Nov 03 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Google Clock has a button for appending a minute. | Nov 03 19:41 |
| scientes | oh i meant to ask that last question in #systemd | Nov 03 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What's an active timer? | Nov 03 19:42 |
| scientes | man systemd.timer | Nov 03 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | the one that triggered? | Nov 03 19:42 |
| scientes | XRevan86, an armed timer | Nov 03 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: daemon-reload and you're done, no? | Nov 03 19:42 |
| scientes | XRevan86, systemd has moved to transient units for years | Nov 03 19:43 |
| scientes | so you can do stuff by dbus | Nov 03 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I see. | Nov 03 19:44 |
| scientes | so it could add a dbus API for setting location, and then it could calculate mean solar time, sunrise, sunset, and perhaps the equation of time | Nov 03 19:45 |
| scientes | and then you could do agricultural stuff with systemd.timer | Nov 03 19:45 |
| scientes | or solar panel stuff | Nov 03 19:46 |
| scientes | the sunrise equation is actually quite complicated | Nov 03 19:47 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunrise_equation | Nov 03 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sunrise equation - Wikipedia | Nov 03 19:48 | |
| scientes | oh wow, it even wants altitude | Nov 03 19:49 |
| scientes | XRevan86, looks like the far east should all be moved an hour earlier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Difference_between_legal_time_and_local_mean_time_in_Russia.svg | Nov 03 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Difference between legal time and local mean time in Russia.svg - Wikipedia | Nov 03 19:55 | |
| scientes | that is a really cool image | Nov 03 19:57 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: that sunrise equation is only an aprox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt its missing the Axial tilt value and a few other values to be exact. | Nov 03 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Axial tilt - Wikipedia | Nov 03 22:26 | |
| scientes | oiaohm, exactly, i said it was complicated | Nov 03 22:26 |
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