●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, March 04, 2021 ●● ● Mar 04 [00:00] techrights-bot Camera infected with #micosoft #ProprietarySoftware https://petapixel.com/2021/03/03/this-guy-got-a-minecraft-server-running-on-his-canon-dslr/ [00:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-petapixel.com | This Guy Got a Minecraft Server Running on His Canon DSLR [00:02] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:03] techrights-bot #Radeon R600 Gallium3D Flips On #OpenGL 4.5 For NIR Backend - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=R600g-NIR-Enables-OpenGL-4.5 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [00:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Radeon R600 Gallium3D Flips On OpenGL 4.5 For NIR Backend - Phoronix [00:03] techrights-bot #ProprietarySoftware but runs on #gnu #linux now... even new releases of distros https://www.ravepubs.com/aja-video-systems-desktop-software-v16/ [00:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ravepubs.com | AJA Video Systems Releases Desktop Software v16 rAVe [PUBS] [00:05] techrights-bot " #Collabora loves LibreOffice! Were still contributing to #LibreOffice and encourage you too to do so because LibreOffice rocks." https://www.collaboraoffice.com/online/collabora-online-community-roundup-10/ [00:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collaboraoffice.com | Collabora Online Community Roundup #10 - Collabora Office and Collabora Online [00:05] techrights-bot "Ramon Miranda was preset at virtual #Fosdem 2021 in the #KDE booth to demonstrate Krita. Heres a timelapse of the event, with comments! If you want to know more about the free and open source software community where Krita came into existence, watch it!" https://krita.org/en/item/fosdem-2021-a-paining-timelapse-with-comments/ [00:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org | Fosdem 2021: A painting timelapse with comments | Krita [00:06] techrights-bot #FreeSoftwareFoundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148394 #GNU #TuxMachines #fsf #freesw [00:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Foundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston | Tux Machines [00:07] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [00:08] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [00:11] schestowitz__ MinceR: look at the face of the guy in the middle [00:14] *razielle has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0) [00:26] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148395 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [00:31] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:57] techrights-bot The EPO's Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal #Patents on Software http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-does-not-understand-software/ #epo #corruption #swpats [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | Techrights ● Mar 04 [01:07] techrights-bot Meme: #EPO Management Totally Gets 'Tehc' http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-tech/ #Europe #patent #corruption #crime [01:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meme: EPO Management Totally Gets Tehc | Techrights [01:25] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [01:28] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@techrights.org) has joined #techrights [01:28] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [01:39] techrights-bot #FreeSoftware Calling http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ [01:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Calling | Techrights [01:40] techrights-bot The clusterfuck which the EPO has become is negatively affecting not only #EPO staff but also stakeholders, who sink into depression and sometimes anger, even fury, at great expense to their health http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-does-not-understand-software/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-does-not-understand-software/ [01:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | Techrights [01:41] techrights-bot When it comes to #patents it seems like we should take a lesson from #russia http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/04/russia-first-public-security-compulsory-license/ #twitter bans you for talking about it http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/ [01:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Russia: First "public security compulsory license - Kluwer Patent Blog [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights [01:44] techrights-bot "After we pine about the way things used to be, Mike shares why he is developing a fondness for C++." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/144402/forbidden-coder-radio-403/ #cpp #programming [01:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Forbidden | Coder Radio 403 | Jupiter Broadcasting [01:45] techrights-bot The bestest #patent office in the whole wide world is besting the hey hi (AI) cutting edge; don't worry about exam and certification integrity http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-tech/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-tech/ [01:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meme: EPO Management Totally Gets Tehc | Techrights [01:45] techrights-bot Fewer people are willing to put up with the shit given by so-called #BigTech, seeing that its mostly about #socialcontrol rather than enablement or emancipation http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ #Techrights #GNU #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ [01:49] *ohama has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [01:50] *ohama (ohama@46.229.238.172) has joined #techrights [01:52] techrights-bot Shaming people into being vaccinated (for COVID-19 I mean, not in general) won't help. In fact, it might only further reinforce the stigma that discourages trust in those vaccines to begin with. Don't call people who reject barely-tested vaccines "anti-vaxxers" (or else that label now applies to half the population). ● Mar 04 [02:07] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [02:08] superkuh Which vaccine is barely tested? [02:08] superkuh The adenovirus vector ones honestly creep me out a little bit. I'd far prefer inert charged fats carrying some mRNA across my cell membranes. [02:09] superkuh But both are preferable to a real virus replicating within me that I have no immune exposure to. [02:31] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-030321.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-030321.txt Read the log now... 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[04:47] DaemonFC[m] Figures that if it makes her sick for a couple days at least she won't have two call off incidents at work. [04:57] superkuh Intentionally? [04:57] superkuh Why not the better mRNA vaccines? [04:57] vmg3 Bots not working please rollback and reboot https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-windows-10-known-issue-rollback-auto-fixes-update-bugs/ [04:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft: Windows 10 'Known Issue Rollback' auto-fixes update bugs ● Mar 04 [05:20] *cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [05:22] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [05:28] *cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [05:36] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, March 03, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [05:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [05:36] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [05:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [05:37] schestowitz__ [02:08] Which vaccine is barely tested? [05:38] schestowitz__ all of them, made in a matter of months [05:38] schestowitz__ no longterm studies [05:38] schestowitz__ whether it's worth a chance is another question [05:38] schestowitz__ some in Russia don't trust their own [05:38] schestowitz__ not sure about the Chinese one, as they don't report much, not objectively anyway [05:40] techrights-bot Promoting #snakeoil as #security is promoting no real security, just a waste of money https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-hardware-security-keys/ see http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/ [05:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 5 of the Best Hardware Security Keys for Two-Factor Authentication - Make Tech Easier [05:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights [05:41] techrights-bot Arduino Blog - Avoid eyestrain with the help of the Eyesight Guardian https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/03/04/avoid-eyestrain-with-the-help-of-the-eyesight-guardian/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/04/#latest [05:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Arduino Blog Avoid eyestrain with the help of the Eyesight Guardian [05:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [05:41] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: seems like J&J may be the only one not lying about efficacy [05:45] techrights-bot #techmint pushing #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware with #surveillance just to remind readers it's not serious about tech :/ [05:46] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [05:49] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [05:51] techrights-bot "Google Ethics" is a paradox https://stop.zona-m.net/geedraft/ [05:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | What's happening with Google Ethics? | Stop at Zona-M [05:53] techrights-bot #RaspberryPi lookalike offers RK3288 for $75 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148389#comment-28510 no #microsoft infestation in this one: http://techrights.org/2021/02/18/raspberry-pi-breaks-up-with-free-software-community/ [05:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Geniatech XPI-3288 Raspberry Pi lookalike features Rockchip RK3288 SoC | Tux Machines [05:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Raspberry Pi Reaffirms Its Commitment to Microsoft (as Trojan Horse Inside Classrooms) and Abandons the Free Software Community | Techrights [05:56] techrights-bot "Always wanted to contribute to open-source projects but didn't know where to start?" Certainly not #ProprietarySoftware #github , #rustlang #deletegithub or it's just volunteering for #microsoft monopoly https://this-week-in-rust.org/blog/2021/03/03/this-week-in-rust-380/ [05:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-this-week-in-rust.org | This Week in Rust 380 This Week in Rust ● Mar 04 [06:00] techrights-bot LOL. "Wireless mouse-utility lacks proper authentication and opens Windows systems to attack." https://threatpost.com/unpatched-bug-in-wifi-mouse-opens-pcs-to-attack/164480/ #microsoft #windows #security #nsa #backdoors [06:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unpatched Bug in WiFi Mouse App Opens PCs to Attack | Threatpost [06:03] techrights-bot #BananaPi BPI-M2 Pro is a compact Amlogic S905X3 SBC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148399 no #microsoft #malware secretly inserted into this one: http://techrights.org/2021/02/18/raspberry-pi-breaks-up-with-free-software-community/ [06:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Banana Pi BPI-M2 Pro is a compact Amlogic S905X3 SBC | Tux Machines [06:04] techrights-bot #Chrome 89 vs. #Firefox 86 Performance Benchmarks On #AMD #Ryzen + #Ubuntu Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148398 [06:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome 89 vs. Firefox 86 Performance Benchmarks On AMD Ryzen + Ubuntu Linux | Tux Machines [06:04] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148397 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [06:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [06:04] techrights-bot Moving commits between independent git histories http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148396 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #python #gentoo [06:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Moving commits between independent git histories | Tux Machines [06:07] psydroid https://darkghosthunter.medium.com/the-old-pc-gaming-has-died-a4ab064e78bd [06:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-darkghosthunter.medium.com | The old PC Gaming has died. And why you should just buy a console | by Italo Baeza Cabrera | Medium [06:07] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [06:07] DaemonFC[m] I got her an appointment to be vaccinated at a state site on the 26th. J&J vaccine. [06:07] psydroid don't tell the people on ##hardware [06:10] schestowitz__ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/04/spark-uwb-technology-takes-aims-at-bluetooth-with-lower-power-consumption-higher-bandwidth/ [06:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | SPARK UWB technology takes aims at Bluetooth with lower power consumption, higher bandwidth [06:10] schestowitz__ psydroid: I have not clicked [06:11] schestowitz__ but it sounds dumb on the surface [06:11] schestowitz__ should say, you don't need a console [06:11] schestowitz__ use a proper computer [06:11] schestowitz__ generally-purpose instead [06:11] schestowitz__ "You don't need servers, use the clown" [06:11] schestowitz__ "you don't need a toilet, use public lavatories" [06:12] schestowitz__ "you don't need silverware, eat with you hands and rely on takeout" [06:13] techrights-bot #NumPy 1.20 has been released https://lwn.net/Articles/847039/ #python [06:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NumPy 1.20 has been released [LWN.net] [06:14] techrights-bot #NumPy needs to #deletegithub but now that Guido van Icaza agreed to work for the criminals from Redmond it may be harder to explain to them why. #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly [06:19] schestowitz__ Chaekyung: typo on headline [06:19] schestowitz__ of yours [06:19] schestowitz__ missing word [06:21] schestowitz__ Haha [06:21] schestowitz__ "We can only hope the Community Consulting Teams of Boston (CCT) will point out that an organization called "Free Software Foundation" should focus on promoting free software, not cater to a tiny minority of mentally ill satanic cult members by promoting nonsense. That outcome is, sadly, not a given these days. We can't rule out that the CCT will recommend that the FSF abandons its free software roots and becomes a [06:21] schestowitz__ social justice organization through and through. That would probably spark some narrow short term interest and publicity, but it would be a death-sentence in the long run." [06:21] schestowitz__ what is ? [06:22] techrights-bot The #FreeSoftwareFoundation Has Into A Consulting Agreement To Improve Its Image http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148394#comment-28511 "We can't rule out that the CCT will recommend that the FSF abandons its free software roots" #fsf [06:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Foundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston | Tux Machines [06:22] techrights-bot LWN on Kernel: 5.12 Merge, Lockless Algorithms, and opy_file_range() http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148400 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #kernel [06:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LWN on Kernel: 5.12 Merge, Lockless Algorithms, and opy_file_range() | Tux Machines [06:23] schestowitz__ is that what happened to SFC? [06:23] schestowitz__ Hiring professional trolls? [06:23] schestowitz__ and basically alienating many who have long cared about SF? [06:24] schestowitz__ [04:47] Mom says she's considering getting the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. [06:24] schestowitz__ Same with my dad, tell her she's not insane :-) [06:24] schestowitz__ It encourages the body to develop its own immune response [06:26] psydroid he draws some strange conclusions, but I think the main point about x86 CPU + discrete GPU becoming a niche option for gaming rings true. The economics seem broken, as only those with deep pockets can afford it anymore [06:26] psydroid I would just go with an affordable ARM/RISC-V option with integrated graphics running free software for most purposes and not a black box such as a console or tablet [06:27] mjg59 *All* vaccines encourage the body to develop its own immune response [06:27] mjg59 That's kind of the point [06:29] schestowitz__ the question is how [06:29] schestowitz__ psydroid: some of the consoles are just subsidised DRM [06:29] schestowitz__ and learn a lesson from PS3 [06:30] schestowitz__ one moment they tell you to use gnu/linux on it [06:30] schestowitz__ then they ban it [06:30] schestowitz__ so you don't even own your own [sic] machine [06:31] psydroid yes, that's a risk I've never been willing to take [06:32] *ohama has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [06:32] psydroid or more like foolish decision to make [06:33] *ohama (ohama@cicolina.org) has joined #techrights [06:47] Chaekyung schestowitz__: losely translates to "white left" [06:49] Chaekyung there is, oddly, a wikipedia article about it in English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo [06:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Baizuo - Wikipedia [06:49] schestowitz__ can you read my article? [06:49] schestowitz__ it cites yours [06:50] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ [06:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights [06:50] schestowitz__ there may be typos [06:51] Chaekyung >that this may be good news because might recommend that the FSF abandons its free software roots [06:52] Chaekyung ? [06:52] Chaekyung this may not be good news? [06:52] Chaekyung not sure I meant to imply that's good news [06:52] schestowitz__ wrong sentence [06:52] schestowitz__ will correct [06:52] mjg59 "Alex Olive" [06:54] Chaekyung that's a pretty spot on article [06:56] mjg59 schestowitz__: You realise that the "mentally ill satanic cult members" assertion links to an article discussing a trans woman? [06:57] mjg59 I'm not sure why you keep linking to transphobic content [06:58] schestowitz__ there is no "transphobic content" [06:58] schestowitz__ Calling out some of the trolling left, like self-described "SJW, is not "transphobic content" [06:59] mjg59 schestowitz__: An article that refers to a trans woman as his/"her" is transphobic [06:59] schestowitz__ not my words [06:59] schestowitz__ you can nitpick on others' pieces [06:59] mjg59 So you linked to transphobic content [06:59] mjg59 Like I said [06:59] schestowitz__ you love holding me accountable for what OTHER people say ● Mar 04 [07:00] schestowitz__ I always don't agree with PARTS of things I link to [07:00] schestowitz__ people aren't thinking identicallty [07:00] schestowitz__ NOR SHOULD THEY [07:00] mjg59 What are you disagreeing with here? [07:01] mjg59 You linked to transphobic content [07:01] schestowitz__ you are right, we should just "Cancel" everyone we partly disagree with [07:01] schestowitz__ and not link to them [07:01] mjg59 If you're fine doing that, well, sure [07:01] schestowitz__ also we should torture them [07:01] schestowitz__ and burn them [07:01] mjg59 But you're alienating a bunch of the free software community in the process [07:01] schestowitz__ By that logic, linking to BBC is promoting pedophilia [07:02] schestowitz__ for many reasons [07:02] schestowitz__ Savile, Gates funding (enabler of Jeff Epstein) [07:02] schestowitz__ so by linking to BBC you hurt child rape victims [07:02] schestowitz__ stop linking to BBS, mjg59 [07:02] schestowitz__ *BBC [07:02] mjg59 Getting into whataboutism again [07:03] techrights-bot The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ [07:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights [07:03] schestowitz__ now you do link-policing [07:03] mjg59 You didn't merely link to it [07:03] mjg59 You quoted it [07:04] schestowitz__ like claiming that because one of hundreds of clients of the company I work for is London Town Hall makes me guilty of something done by police of the mayor from 5 years ago [07:04] schestowitz__ (Who is now our Pry Minister [07:04] mjg59 Oh, come on now Roy [07:04] mjg59 You now I didn't say that [07:04] schestowitz__ I didn't quote the "harder" parts [07:04] schestowitz__ I quoted the part about mission change/creep [07:05] schestowitz__ which is likely spot on (that particular part) [07:05] schestowitz__ you don't do consulting without plan to act on it [07:05] mjg59 You quoted the bit that says " mentally ill satanic cult members " [07:05] schestowitz__ i.e. to change course [07:05] schestowitz__ no, I did not [07:05] schestowitz__ you clicked on a link [07:05] mjg59 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148394#comment-28511 [07:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Foundation awarded consulting project grant from Community Consulting Teams of Boston | Tux Machines [07:05] schestowitz__ and then read something I did not quote [07:05] schestowitz__ that's TuxMachines [07:05] mjg59 "Submitted by Roy Schestowitz" [07:05] schestowitz__ written by Chaekyung [07:06] mjg59 Sorry, didn't realise there were two of you [07:06] schestowitz__ take it with him, not me [07:06] mjg59 So you did quote it? [07:06] schestowitz__ for parts of it [07:06] schestowitz__ not the "Satanic" part [07:06] schestowitz__ which I find absurd [07:06] schestowitz__ as I fail to see the connection [07:06] mjg59 Roy [07:06] mjg59 You literally quoted it [07:06] mjg59 The word "satanic" is in what you quoted [07:06] schestowitz__ except that crazy "Ethical" licence person who literally did satanic BS ritual [07:07] mjg59 So when I said you quoted it and you said you didn't, were you mistaken? [07:07] schestowitz__ like I said, you try to hold me accountable by taking bits of text I did not write, in a comment on a site with about 50 entries per day [07:07] mjg59 So when I said you quoted it and you said you didn't, were you mistaken? [07:07] schestowitz__ good day, you waste my time now [07:07] schestowitz__ bye [07:11] techrights-bot #gnome risks becoming dependent more and more on prisoner of #microsoft https://blogs.gnome.org/chergert/2021/03/04/rust-and-gnome-builder/ #rustlang #deletegithub [07:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Rust and GNOME Builder Zen and the Art of GNOME [07:13] techrights-bot It might shock some in the fake left that not everyone in the world agrees with everything they say. And if they truly accept cultural differences, they will settle on some grounds. Also, that fake left doesn't want to mention what Islam thinks of gays etc. as that's "not convenient..." [07:15] mjg59 Yeah, Christianity is notable for being just fine with homosexuality [07:15] techrights-bot #Google launches #Flutter 2.0 to target developers across all platforms | VentureBeat https://venturebeat.com/2021/03/03/google-launches-flutter-2-0-to-target-developers-across-all-platforms/ #venturebeat [07:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google launches Flutter 2.0 to target developers across all platforms | VentureBeat [07:17] techrights-bot #python should also #deletegithub as it's a vastly greater #security risk https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/02/python_pypi_purges/ #NSA #microsoft http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/ [07:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Python Package Index nukes 3,653 malicious libraries uploaded soon after security shortcoming highlighted The Register [07:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHub is Microsofts Proprietary Software and Centralised (Monopoly) Platform, But When Canonicals Account There Gets Compromised Suddenly Its Ubuntus Fault? | Techrights [07:17] schestowitz__ mjg59: name a christian nation that stones gays [07:17] schestowitz__ go on... [07:22] mjg59 Oh, so it's ok to persecute people for their sexuality as long as you don't literally kill them? [07:23] mjg59 Or is that also bad? [07:23] techrights-bot "Futter 2.0 to target developers across all platforms..." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148392#comment-28512 if you put years of your life into #programming (IMHO) don't put the eggs in #google basket. See how they treat people who contribute 100% of the "content" to #youtube (to 'monetise' it) [07:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [07:24] schestowitz__ mjg59: I'm pleased to see your public activism against religion [07:24] schestowitz__ *or not) [07:25] mjg59 I'm just curious why you picked Islam exclusively here [07:27] mjg59 Most primarily-Islamic states don't have capital punishment for homosexuality [07:30] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights ● Mar 04 [08:19] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [08:23] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:29] *scientes_ (~scientes@2001:bc8:62c:6e::1) has joined #techrights [08:29] *huggi_ (sid80718@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dezkyzdansoncjlb) has joined #techrights [08:31] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/irc-log-030321/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/04/irc-log-030321/ [08:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 | Techrights [08:33] schestowitz__ mjg59: they are the most radical in that regard [08:33] schestowitz__ and your position is, [08:34] schestowitz__ religion is intolerant [08:34] *danielinux_ (sbnc@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io) has joined #techrights [08:34] schestowitz__ but it's intolerant to criticise religion [08:34] schestowitz__ so I will focus on bashing freesw activists instead [08:35] techrights-bot 4 Best #FreeSw Graphical MPD Clients http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148401 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4 Best Free and Open Source Graphical MPD Clients | Tux Machines [08:35] techrights-bot #Canonical Chooses Googles #Flutter UI SDK to Build Future Ubuntu Apps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148403 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Chooses Googles Flutter UI SDK to Build Future Ubuntu Apps | Tux Machines [08:35] techrights-bot #Python : Security and #NumPy 1.20 Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148402 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Python: Security and NumPy 1.20 Release | Tux Machines [08:36] techrights-bot Dr. Richard Stallman is missed by many who perceive him to have been wrongly treated; putting Stallman back in the Board (at the very least) would help the image of the Free Software Foundation http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ [08:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights [08:38] techrights-bot #EPO catastrophe: "Why could they not have sent a systemwide message telling us to refresh?" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1614844732388#c7868956827476841941 but the bigger issues overlooked: http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-does-not-understand-software/ [08:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat [08:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | Techrights [08:40] mjg59 schestowitz__: I think the relevant question is how many states are theocracies, not which religion they follow [08:42] mjg59 schestowitz__: Traditional interpretations of Christianity are absolutely as hostile to homosexuality as Islamic theocracies - the difference is that there are currently no Christian theocracies [08:42] mjg59 (Well, other than the Vatican, but that's kind of a special case) [08:42] techrights-bot NEWS #Joinup #OpenScience More collaboration and clarity in Open Science, the study says https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/open-source-french-research-and-higher-education [08:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Open Source in French research and higher education | Joinup [08:43] *jess has quit (*.net *.split) [08:43] *danielinux has quit (*.net *.split) [08:43] *scientes has quit (*.net *.split) [08:43] *huggi has quit (*.net *.split) [08:43] schestowitz__ mjg59: I appreciate your frankness [08:43] schestowitz__ it's not an easy subject [08:43] mjg59 schestowitz__: It's certainly not hard to find leaders of Christian churches advocating for the execution of homosexuals. If that style of Christianity were to become more empowered, we'd see the same elsewhere. [08:44] schestowitz__ they follow their books [08:44] schestowitz__ they're the real followers [08:44] mjg59 Like the Old Testament [08:45] mjg59 There are Islamic theocracies right now. In the past there have been Christian theocracies. Theocracies tend to do terrible things to minorities. [08:45] mjg59 Is the problem Islam, or is it theocracies? [08:46] techrights-bot NEWS #TavisOrmandy #Programming Lotus 1-2-3 https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/lotus123.html [08:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lock.cmpxchg8b.com | Lotus 1-2-3 [08:47] techrights-bot NEWS #ITWire #Standards How beers and Vikings gave Bluetooth technology its name https://www.itwire.com/security/eset-says-more-threat-groups-using-microsoft-zero-days-in-attacks.html [08:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - ESET says more threat groups using Microsoft zero-days in attacks [08:48] schestowitz__ mjg59: books that inspire and glorify violence [08:48] schestowitz__ don't ban them [08:48] schestowitz__ keep them for historical purposes [08:49] schestowitz__ introduce people to better and less barbaric literature [08:49] schestowitz__ we don't want kids raised on books that celebrate mass-murdering the "others" [08:49] schestowitz__ Dr. Seuss is not the real issue [08:50] schestowitz__ start with brutal crap and fiction [08:50] schestowitz__ but due to the political power of religions, nobody dares [08:50] schestowitz__ https://wgntv.com/news/dr-seuss-books-going-for-exorbitant-prices-on-amazon/ [08:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Dr. Seuss books going for exorbitant prices on Amazon | WGN-TV [08:51] schestowitz__ instead people go after books authors for not properly gender-balancing and whatever (too many males etc.) [08:51] schestowitz__ start with the profound issues [08:51] schestowitz__ or else your activism will be viewed by many as shallow, farcical, a distraction from vastly bigger issues [08:52] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/ [08:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lets Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away Peoples Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb in Peace) | Techrights [08:54] techrights-bot No, Linux Mint is Not Going to Force Updates Like Windows http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148404 #betanews troll Brian Fagioli intentionally spreading lies to get clicks and push #microsoft ads [08:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | No, Linux Mint is Not Going to Force Updates Like Windows | Tux Machines [08:54] techrights-bot NEWS #KenShirriff #Hardware #Germanium transistors: logic circuits in the #IBM 1401 computer http://www.righto.com/2021/03/germanium-transistors-logic-circuits-in.html [08:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.righto.com | Germanium transistors: logic circuits in the IBM 1401 computer [08:55] techrights-bot NEWS #NBC #Health #Kentucky mom alleges hospital workers missed her cancer then covered up their mistake https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kentucky-mom-alleges-hospital-workers-missed-her-cancer-then-covered-n1258533 [08:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Kentucky mom alleges hospital workers missed her cancer then covered up their mistake [08:55] techrights-bot NEWS #NewYorkTimes #au Without Backpackers to Pick Them, Crops Rot by the Ton in #Australia https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/world/australia/agriculture-backpackers.html [08:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Without Backpackers to Pick Them, Crops Rot by the Ton in Australia - The New York Times [08:56] schestowitz__ vmg3: ^^^^^^^ [08:56] schestowitz__ Barry of Puppy Linux / EasyOS has been doing tons of posts about backpacking and hiking lately [08:56] schestowitz__ seems like a good escape plan from current time [08:56] schestowitz__ lots of people broke, unemployment crisis, homelessness [08:57] schestowitz__ though I didn't see homeless yesterday in Manchester [08:57] schestowitz__ maybe "suddenly" our government has the will/money to clothe and house them? [08:57] *Digit (~user@fsf/member/digit) has joined #techrights [08:58] Digit gah. i got really uplifted when i misread http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ like s/The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board/The Free Software Foundation Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board/. back down to reality with a bump when i see my eyes had wishfully ommitted the "should". [08:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights [08:59] vmg3 they only want to pay 3.50 an hour an agency makes all the money ● Mar 04 [09:00] schestowitz__ Digit: we have said this for over a year now [09:00] vmg3 no real accommodation 10 to a room [09:00] schestowitz__ fell on deaf ears [09:00] schestowitz__ what?! [09:00] schestowitz__ 3.5 aud per hour?! [09:00] vmg3 yeah [09:00] schestowitz__ wth [09:00] vmg3 shit its slave labour [09:00] schestowitz__ what's it good for? A bag of rice? [09:00] schestowitz__ beggar nation? [09:00] vmg3 and the abuse is shocking [09:01] schestowitz__ sad... thought au was better [09:01] vmg3 if they paid a minimum wage they would get heaps of workers [09:01] schestowitz__ yet food is super expensive [09:01] vmg3 yes [09:01] schestowitz__ I can imagine the profit margins [09:01] Digit schestowitz__: yeah, kinda why my brain wishfully decided that musta been a new different message than "should". [09:01] vmg3 and automation is part of the process [09:01] schestowitz__ for coal mining and metals also? [09:01] schestowitz__ does au even have coal? [09:02] vmg3 yes heaps of the clean coal meep [09:02] schestowitz__ mad coal max [09:02] vmg3 crazy unless someone is being exploited they dont want to employ [09:03] vmg3 some groups got together to go to the farms and they didn't want them [09:03] vmg3 only want temp visa [09:03] techrights-bot #IPFire Linux Firewall Distro Now Offers WPA3 Client Support, Faster DNS Resolution http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148405 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Security [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IPFire Linux Firewall Distro Now Offers WPA3 Client Support, Faster DNS Resolution | Tux Machines [09:04] vmg3 we should be shamed not felt sorry for [09:04] schestowitz__ afaik, correct me if wronged, aussie has natural resources magnates [09:04] schestowitz__ and then a bunch of "lads" to do the actual work [09:04] schestowitz__ so au is a "rich" nation.. for the some in large properties in Sydney [09:04] schestowitz__ for the rest a a shack near the beach to surf and moan [09:04] vmg3 yeah we have guys like twiggy forest making millions a day from iron oar [09:05] schestowitz__ I was gonna mention oar [09:05] schestowitz__ it might run out if they don't literally blow some shit up [09:05] vmg3 they throw money at the rich [09:05] schestowitz__ a friend of mine moved to australia [09:05] schestowitz__ didn't like it, came back to wales [09:05] schestowitz__ changed careers, too [09:05] schestowitz__ thought it was all sun and fun (ans surfing) [09:05] vmg3 highly skilled to? [09:05] schestowitz__ you can also surf in wales btw [09:06] vmg3 they are in demand [09:06] schestowitz__ vmg3: after his phd [09:06] vmg3 but dont want to pay [09:06] vmg3 unless you know someone [09:06] schestowitz__ worked in a uni whose name I forgot. for 2 years. [09:06] schestowitz__ hated the place [09:06] schestowitz__ and the culture [09:06] vmg3 sad [09:06] vmg3 some places are great [09:06] schestowitz__ probably pricey [09:06] schestowitz__ same here [09:07] schestowitz__ manchester is OK [09:07] vmg3 you need to have connections [09:07] schestowitz__ not too expensive, not too bad [09:07] *Digit wonders if welsh gremlins are good for surfing around [09:07] schestowitz__ in winter you need wet suits [09:07] vmg3 I wish i could surf [09:07] schestowitz__ in summer it's ok without [09:07] vmg3 not in qld and nt or wa all year they have a wet season in summer [09:07] schestowitz__ it's good exercise [09:07] schestowitz__ all-body workout [09:08] vmg3 if your hopeless like me you just get tit rash [09:08] schestowitz__ qld queensland? [09:08] vmg3 yes [09:08] schestowitz__ wa ewest au [09:08] Digit https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=9/53.1286/-4.4797 (anglesey looks like a gremlin, i point out in case that was not understood from "welsh gremlins"^). [09:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openstreetmap.org | OpenStreetMap [09:08] schestowitz__ n terr? [09:08] schestowitz__ like in canada? [09:08] vmg3 yeah and northern territory [09:08] schestowitz__ haha [09:08] schestowitz__ not inhabitable in canada [09:09] vmg3 lifes what you make it still rivers and bush [09:09] vmg3 plenty to see and do [09:09] vmg3 its nice to make a quid as well [09:09] schestowitz__ with "Smart" 'Phine' [09:09] schestowitz__ *Phone [09:10] schestowitz__ "wonder how many likes I can get..." [09:10] schestowitz__ "this place sucks, I got only one like" [09:10] vmg3 I wonder how open maps is doing in India [09:10] schestowitz__ "let's go abuse some homeless people and go viral" [09:10] schestowitz__ india has crazy laws and autocracy [09:10] vmg3 brexit is one of the few things that makes me feel good about Au [09:10] schestowitz__ some corporations love it [09:11] vmg3 cheap labour [09:11] schestowitz__ [23:07] #india still being run by corrupt idiots and foreign charlatans including #billgates ... and it shows https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/02/freedom-to-map-depends-on-who-delivers-it/ [09:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Freedom to map depends on WHO delivers it | Stop at Zona-M [09:11] vmg3 thats all [09:11] vmg3 I bought a pair of US jeans and they are made in india [09:11] schestowitz__ brexit and worse in europe on covid19 response [09:11] vmg3 won't fall for that again [09:11] schestowitz__ brexit sealed just 2.5 months before lockdown [09:12] vmg3 higher density [09:12] schestowitz__ not bangladesh? [09:12] vmg3 yeah [09:12] schestowitz__ india-made = top stuff! [09:12] schestowitz__ you even 'over'pay the workers [09:12] vmg3 i like their retro motorcycles [09:12] schestowitz__ when 'Murica was "great" [09:13] vmg3 that was a while ago now [09:13] schestowitz__ HellsAngers4Trump [09:13] schestowitz__ *Angels [09:13] vmg3 Sturgis was a superspreader [09:14] techrights-bot NEWS #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware Big Tech firms see tax windfall after Supreme Court ruling on #Microsoft https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/big-tech-firms-see-tax-windfall-after-supreme-court-ruling-on-microsoft/81322832 [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Microsoft: Big Tech firms see tax windfall after Supreme Court ruling on Microsoft, IT News, ET CIO [09:14] vmg3 rested on their laurels [09:14] techrights-bot NEWS #ThreatPost #ProprietarySoftware Post-Cyberattack, Universal Health Services Faces $67M in Losses https://threatpost.com/post-cyberattack-universal-health-services-faces-67m-in-losses/164424/ [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Post-Cyberattack, Universal Health Services Faces $67M in Losses | Threatpost [09:15] vmg3 I always think of American Dad song "The American Race" [09:15] vmg3 clowns [09:15] vmg3 i do enjoy seth farlan [09:16] vmg3 inalienable rights [09:16] schestowitz__ The American Race is immigrants from the far east [09:16] schestowitz__ before Europeans flocked in [09:16] vmg3 and mexicans [09:16] schestowitz__ how they crossed over? I think through northern Russia [09:16] vmg3 cubans [09:16] schestowitz__ during winter [09:17] schestowitz__ or with canoes... need to read up on it [09:17] vmg3 I love watching them in Asia [09:17] schestowitz__ maybe in the future US will be far eat [09:17] vmg3 cry racist [09:17] schestowitz__ *east [09:17] schestowitz__ China will calibrate the world's map [09:17] schestowitz__ benjing at the center [09:18] schestowitz__ US far east [09:18] vmg3 thats what xi said [09:18] schestowitz__ maybe europe will be "the west", literally [09:18] schestowitz__ vmg3: xi did, xi did [09:18] vmg3 i saw today or yesterday him call the US a threat [09:19] schestowitz__ to china it is [09:19] vmg3 cracked me up [09:19] schestowitz__ and for a while not [09:19] schestowitz__ *now [09:19] schestowitz__ the British also [09:19] vmg3 they will work it out [09:19] schestowitz__ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Opium_War [09:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Second Opium War - Wikipedia [09:19] vmg3 supply line is to long for em, their planes are corroding in guam [09:20] schestowitz__ waste of human resources [09:20] schestowitz__ ruined another island [09:20] schestowitz__ for nukes and boats and air drills [09:20] vmg3 yeah this could get a bit political [09:20] schestowitz__ they could instead grow crops [09:20] schestowitz__ or rewilder the place with plants [09:20] *jess (jess@freenode/staff/jess) has joined #techrights [09:21] schestowitz__ i wonder if Australia can be brought back to the days before it was burned dry [09:21] vmg3 military is a behemoth [09:21] schestowitz__ they always talk about MARS [09:21] schestowitz__ all aboyt MARS [09:21] schestowitz__ maybe we can make MARS inhabitable [09:21] vmg3 trouble is they think they own space too [09:21] schestowitz__ yeah, let's fire up 100 ton rockets with equipment on them [09:21] schestowitz__ to terraform MARS [09:21] schestowitz__ not Australia [09:21] schestowitz__ Not Sahara [09:21] schestowitz__ MARS [09:22] schestowitz__ because there's lots of money in it [09:22] vmg3 we give em money [09:22] schestowitz__ ask "pedo guy" Elon [09:22] vmg3 so we can get likes [09:22] schestowitz__ "like" NASA [09:22] schestowitz__ "like" our "Facebook page" [09:22] schestowitz__ help Mark Z sell ads [09:22] vmg3 he loves his followers [09:23] schestowitz__ he follows back [09:23] schestowitz__ billions [09:23] vmg3 uses them to manipulate markets [09:23] schestowitz__ follows to the verge of stalking [09:23] schestowitz__ 1 billion counts of stalking [09:23] schestowitz__ "I hereby sentence you to prison for a trillion years!' [09:23] vmg3 really I never paid much attention [09:23] schestowitz__ oh, you meant Mask cult [09:24] schestowitz__ I thought Zuck [09:24] schestowitz__ your deputy Prime Minister Zuck [09:24] schestowitz__ "Advisor" at least [09:24] vmg3 once they get a few billion they turn into twats [09:24] schestowitz__ Advisor to Rupe [09:24] vmg3 yep they are all mates [09:24] schestowitz__ vmg3: they hang out with them [09:24] schestowitz__ other "twats" [09:24] schestowitz__ so it makes them feel "normal" [09:25] schestowitz__ like billie G hanging out with Epstein [09:25] vmg3 they devise other ways to bend over the little people [09:25] schestowitz__ offering him to whiten his rep after trafficking thousands of underage girls for screwing [09:25] schestowitz__ but that's normal to them [09:25] schestowitz__ "we're in the same class/club" [09:25] vmg3 the younger the better [09:25] schestowitz__ "the plebs are just jealous of us" [09:25] schestowitz__ "everyone is guilty of something" [09:25] vmg3 yeah [09:26] schestowitz__ it's an echo chamber [09:26] schestowitz__ they only meet "plebs" for photo ops [09:26] schestowitz__ for as long as it takes, maybe 60 seconds [09:26] schestowitz__ someone prepares them for the photo ops [09:26] schestowitz__ to save them time [09:26] vmg3 I don't mind people having money but you think there would be a point where they say, "I've got enough now" [09:26] schestowitz__ "here, bill, we have this black pleb ready for you to do a photo with" [09:27] schestowitz__ "we've meanwhile contacted all the local papers" [09:27] vmg3 we bought em [09:27] schestowitz__ that too [09:27] schestowitz__ they bribe them [09:27] schestowitz__ in africa also [09:27] schestowitz__ sites like AllAfrica [09:27] schestowitz__ bought by Gates [09:27] schestowitz__ other oligarchs do the same [09:27] schestowitz__ but lower profile oligarchs [09:27] vmg3 power kick [09:28] schestowitz__ [09:26] I don't mind people having money but you think there would be a point where they say, "I've got enough now" [09:28] vmg3 thats all it is [09:28] schestowitz__ that's NOT how the "CLUB" works [09:28] schestowitz__ the club does not value generosity [09:28] schestowitz__ it looks up your Forbes "rank" [09:28] schestowitz__ How good a person you are [09:28] schestowitz__ how much money you "amassed"D [09:28] schestowitz__ to "create jobs" [09:28] schestowitz__ "patriotism" [09:29] vmg3 I don't know [09:29] schestowitz__ it's a sickness [09:29] schestowitz__ and media won't call it that [09:29] vmg3 I'm happiest when I have the least just good health [09:29] schestowitz__ it talks of "Internet addiction" [09:29] schestowitz__ not "money addiction" [09:29] schestowitz__ because that media is part of that addiction [09:29] schestowitz__ vmg3: some of them don't even have that... see Steve Jobs [09:30] vmg3 I've had my periods where I get too much screen time [09:30] vmg3 cancer will do that [09:30] vmg3 took my old man then the whole family fell apart [09:31] vmg3 he was the glue [09:31] vmg3 all good now [09:31] schestowitz__ common situation [09:31] vmg3 yeah i guess [09:32] techrights-bot NEWS #RogerPiquerasJover Leveraging digital certificates to protect commercial 5G mobile networks https://softhandover.wordpress.com/2021/03/02/leveraging-digital-certificates-to-protect-commercial-5g-mobile-networks/ [09:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-softhandover.wordpress.com | Leveraging digital certificates to protect commercial 5G mobile networks | Soft Handover [09:32] vmg3 I've loaded an pi fresh today still setting it up want to try ipfs and see what the merkel can do [09:32] vmg3 orange pi [09:33] vmg3 still trying to work it out [09:34] vmg3 seriously need some more hd space [09:34] vmg3 my main box is getting cramped [09:34] techrights-bot I'm more than sure that #BokoHaram checks what Michelle Obama says and looks up #twitter hashtags. Terrorists will do what #socialcontrolmedia time wasters tell them... just need more "LIKES" for the cause. [09:35] schestowitz__ vmg3: I could use your help [09:35] vmg3 mine? lol [09:35] schestowitz__ one who pins our CIDs is offline for migration to opebsd [09:35] vmg3 your in a world of hurt [09:35] schestowitz__ and so sometimes we're the only one who have a CID [09:35] schestowitz__ and if I turn mine off it becomes inaccessible [09:36] vmg3 ok im up for a challenge [09:36] vmg3 you will need to be patient [09:36] schestowitz__ btw, it's merkle [09:36] schestowitz__ not angela merkel [09:37] vmg3 there was a jpg with her standing next to a christmas tree [09:37] vmg3 on a site i was checking out [09:37] vmg3 the only reason i remembered it [09:38] techrights-bot NEWS #DeutscheWelle #Environment Killings of human rights defenders 'go largely unnoticed by outside world' https://www.dw.com/en/killings-of-human-rights-defenders-go-largely-unnoticed-by-outside-world/a-56757472 [09:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Killings of human rights defenders go largely unnoticed by outside world | DW Freedom | Speech. Expression. Media. | DW | 03.03.2021 [09:38] vmg3 I'll forward the port and let you in if you like shortly i need to do a few thing first [09:38] schestowitz__ [09:37] there was a jpg with her standing next to a christmas tree [09:38] schestowitz__ I saw that meme [09:39] vmg3 https://hackernoon.com/a-beginners-guide-to-ipfs-20673fedd3f that where I saw it [09:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackernoon.com | What is IPFS? - A Beginner's Guide | Hacker Noon [09:39] schestowitz__ vmg3: if it is arm-based, I can copy across some of the things that we have [09:39] schestowitz__ except sensitive stuff [09:39] schestowitz__ you said "pi" [09:40] schestowitz__ but then orange [09:40] vmg3 orange pi [09:40] schestowitz__ orange pi is powerful [09:40] vmg3 cheap [09:40] schestowitz__ but I don't remember what processor [09:40] vmg3 arm v7 but only 512 ram [09:41] vmg3 have about 20 gig space with a stick [09:41] vmg3 only has 1 usb [09:41] vmg3 no wifi [09:41] vmg3 no bt [09:42] vmg3 but in terminal hums along ok [09:42] vmg3 i still havent done ipfs [09:42] vmg3 just on my main its running [09:43] vmg3 still not sure i understand it [09:43] techrights-bot NEWS #IndiaTimes #PayPal to add 1,000 engineers to #India development centres in 2021 https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/paypal-to-add-1000-engineers-to-india-development-centres-in-2021/81310878 because of wages or superior skills? [09:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | PayPal Hiring: PayPal to add 1,000 engineers to India development centres in 2021, IT News, ET CIO [09:44] vmg3 havent forwarded a port but it has incoming and outgoing [09:44] techrights-bot #HowTo Enable or Missing #UTF8 Support in Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148406 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Enable or Missing UTF-8 Support in Linux | Tux Machines [09:44] vmg3 need to disconnect from vpn to access my router [09:44] vmg3 even if i whitelist [09:45] vmg3 bear with me [09:46] schestowitz__ ok [09:50] techrights-bot Corporations are political. Oligarchs are political. Tech is typically corporate and therefore it too is political. Stop this antagonism to #politics where/when it screws you over again and again. #law isn't objective either; it's political and constantly changing [09:50] techrights-bot NEWS #Axios #Facebook to lift political ad ban imposed after November #election https://www.axios.com/facebook-to-lift-political-ad-ban-march-4-302cb346-36e4-400c-b059-fe96065bbc5d.html [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook to lift political ad ban imposed after November election - Axios [09:59] techrights-bot Patches for Multiple New #GRUB2 #Security Flaws Start Rolling Out to Linux Distros, Update Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148407 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI [09:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Patches for Multiple New GRUB2 Security Flaws Start Rolling Out to Linux Distros, Update Now | Tux Machines [09:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights ● Mar 04 [10:12] techrights-bot Western democracy: one person, one vote. One person, many media outlets, each reaching and indoctrinating millions of voters [10:14] techrights-bot Government: we need the media to expose lies. Liars: we buy the media to tell lies. [10:16] *techrights-bot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:19] *techrights-bot (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9e47:addf:5b42:cd6d) has joined #techrights [10:19] techrights-bot Top 10 Best Linux #PortScanners for Network Admins http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148408 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 Best Linux Port Scanners for Network Admins | Tux Machines [10:22] techrights-bot Measure your Internet of Things with #RaspberryPi and #opensource tools http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148409 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Measure your Internet of Things with Raspberry Pi and open source tools | Tux Machines [10:26] techrights-bot #BSDNow : macOS inspired Desktop https://www.bsdnow.tv/392 [10:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 392: macOS inspired Deskto [10:33] techrights-bot #ProprietarySoftware and (In)Security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148410 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and (In)Security | Tux Machines [10:33] techrights-bot Audiocasts/Shows: #BSDNow , The Linux Link Tech Show, Coder Radio http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148411 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #TLLTS [10:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: BSDNow, The Linux Link Tech Show, Coder Radio | Tux Machines [10:39] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ [10:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Calling | Techrights [10:40] techrights-bot 2021: we humans must stay home and can get out once a day just for food (like dogs with their poop) http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/free-software-in-2021/ [10:41] techrights-bot "Whether you're just learning #GDB or you're a pro at it, it never hurts to have a reminder of what commands are available to you and what the syntax for those commands are." #programming #gnu https://opensource.com/article/21/3/debug-code-gdb [10:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learn to debug code with the GNU Debugger | Opensource.com [10:42] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148412 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [10:43] techrights-bot "This is the latest in our monthly series summarizing the past month on the Community Blog. Please leave a comment below to let me know what you think." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/community-blog-monthly-summary-february-2021/ [10:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Community Blog monthly summary: February 2021 Fedora Community Blog [10:44] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148413 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [10:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [10:47] techrights-bot Should anyone go to prison based on secret SOFTWARE? https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/02/should-anyone-go-to-prison-based-on-secret-software/ [10:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Should anyone go to prison based on secret SOFTWARE? | Stop at Zona-M [10:48] techrights-bot Building rootless #containers for #JavaScript front ends https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2021/03/04/building-rootless-containers-for-javascript-front-ends/ [10:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Building rootless containers for JavaScript front ends - Red Hat Developer [10:51] techrights-bot #TerminalFinances can be taken more seriously after #deletegithub https://opensource.com/article/21/3/terminal-finances do not host code with #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly as that does harm http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ [10:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Manage your personal budget with this open source application | Opensource.com [10:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsofts Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights [10:53] techrights-bot #Microsoft is interjecting shims for #proprietarysoftware with #NSA back doors... into the #Linux #kernel https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Hyper-V-Isolation-VMs-Linux http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Hyper-V_Reality_Log [10:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Sends Out Patches For Hyper-V "Isolation VMs" With Linux - Phoronix [10:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hyper-V Reality Log - Techrights [10:56] techrights-bot Now the phony and charlatan Jim #zemlin can pretend he can finally (belatedly) learn #linux ... and no, he's likely lying about knowing Nippon, he may have lived in #japan for one year https://www.linux.com/news/the-linux-foundation-continues-to-expand-japanese-language-training-certification/ [10:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Linux Foundation Continues to Expand Japanese Language Training & Certification - Linux.com [10:58] techrights-bot Jim #zemlin is NOT a tech. He's a #marketing guy. Charlatans and snakeoil pushers. In a conference I want someone in the audience to challenge him on claims he's fluent in Japanese. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Jim_Zemlin [10:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin - Techrights ● Mar 04 [11:14] *DVulgaris has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11:23] *DVulgaris (~quassel@185.108.81.14) has joined #techrights [11:32] techrights-bot Links 4/3/2021: #Pardus 19.5 is Out and Free Software Foundation Gets Consulting Grant http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/ardus-19-5-is-out/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/04/ardus-19-5-is-out/ [11:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/3/2021: Pardus 19.5 is Out and Free Software Foundation Gets Consulting Grant | Techrights [11:32] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148414 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:33] techrights-bot Open Sharing and Open Science http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148415 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Sharing and Open Science | Tux Machines [11:34] techrights-bot Linux Foundation, Microsoft, and Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148416 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation, Microsoft, and Linux | Tux Machines [11:34] techrights-bot Fedora Community Blog and Old IBM Tech http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148417 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Community Blog and Old IBM Tech | Tux Machines [11:34] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148418 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [11:38] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [11:47] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights ● Mar 04 [12:05] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [12:25] *vmg32 (~vmg3b@66.115.157.112) has joined #techrights [12:25] *vmg3 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:27] techrights-bot Looks Like #Ubuntu 21.04 Will Offer a Hybrid #GNOME 3.38 Desktop with GNOME 40 Apps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148419 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Looks Like Ubuntu 21.04 Will Offer a Hybrid GNOME 3.38 Desktop with GNOME 40 Apps | Tux Machines [12:29] techrights-bot #patentTroll #IPCom uses #managingIP as megaphone, piggybacking pandemic for self-serving spin https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qtc76q2tqwj4/the-curious-case-of-crown-use-and-what-it-means-for-covid [12:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | The curious case of Crown use and what it means for COVID | Managing Intellectual Property [12:30] *vmg32 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:30] *vmg32 (~vmg3b@66.115.157.112) has joined #techrights [12:31] techrights-bot "Despite the increased societal acceptance of people in the LGBTQ community, 29 states have failed to pass anti-discrimination laws to protect them." https://fair.org/home/equality-act-coverage-provides-a-platform-for-hate-but-not-for-trans-voices/ [12:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fair.org | Equality Act Coverage Provides a Platform for Hatebut Not for Trans Voices FAIR [12:32] *vmg32 is now known as vmg3 [12:46] *inky (~inky@5.77.176.133) has joined #techrights [12:46] psydroid you would have expected them to at least try to subvert FOSDEM, but instead they chickened out and didn't show up at all [12:47] psydroid oh, I'm replying to old messages [12:50] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [12:51] schestowitz__ which one? ● Mar 04 [13:00] psydroid the one about OSI not showing up at FOSDEM 2021 [13:06] techrights-bot Linux distributions: All the talent and hard work that goes into building a good one http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148420 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux distributions: All the talent and hard work that goes into building a good one | Tux Machines [13:08] techrights-bot Yet more #fakepatents granted by #epo ... "The Dutch company withdrew the appeal against the revocation of patent DE 10 2006 011 143 B4 and three related infringement actions." https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/envipco-and-dpg-settle-dispute-over-bottle-deposit-system/ [13:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Envipco and DPG settle dispute over bottle deposit system - JUVE Patent [13:10] techrights-bot #HowTo create your WordPress developer stack on OpenShift 4 | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/wordpress-developer-openshift #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux [13:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | How to create your WordPress developer stack on OpenShift 4 | Enable Sysadmin [13:11] techrights-bot Cockpit is the modern #GNU #Linux admin interface. We release regularly. Here are the release notes from Cockpit version 239." https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-239.html [13:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cockpit-project.org | Cockpit 239 Cockpit Project [13:12] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat is #upselling again https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/5-ways-insights #rhel [13:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | 5 ways Red Hat Insights can improve your sysadmin Life | Enable Sysadmin [13:13] techrights-bot Several of the programs in this article are also free as in freedom] https://smallbiztrends.com/2021/03/free-video-editing.html [13:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smallbiztrends.com | 20 Free Video Editing Apps for Beginners - Small Business Trends [13:18] techrights-bot #KDEneon has a new release/ISO for 20210304 with latest Plasma in it https://neon.kde.org/ #gnu #linux #kde [13:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon [13:19] techrights-bot Linux 5.10.20 Released - Fixes The Erroneous Record-Breaking #AMD Clock Frequencies - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.10.20-Fixes-Freq-Report #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/04/#latest [13:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.10.20 Released - Fixes The Erroneous Record-Breaking AMD Clock Frequencies - Phoronix [13:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [13:21] techrights-bot VCN-Less Navi 12 SKU, RX 6000 Series BACO Runtime PM Are Extras For Linux 5.12 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-Fixes-Linux-5.12-rc2 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/04/#latest [13:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VCN-Less Navi 12 SKU, RX 6000 Series BACO Runtime PM Are Extras For Linux 5.12 - Phoronix [13:22] techrights-bot Perl is dead ... when I'm dead! http://blogs.perl.org/users/enkidu/2021/03/perl-is-dead-when-im-dead.html #perl #programming [13:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Perl is dead ... when I'm dead! | enkidu [blogs.perl.org] [13:22] techrights-bot #linux in the TV box https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/04/rockchip-rk3566-tv-box-h96-max-android-11/ [13:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | The first Rockchip RK3566 TV box is out with H96 Max running Android 11 [13:24] techrights-bot "The security issue boiled down to Plex not behaving ideally on mismanaged and insecure network configurations. In my opinion, Plex isnt to blame for security errors in network configurations made by inexperienced network administrators." https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/jellyfin-vs-plex.html [13:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ctrl.blog | From Plex to Jellyfin Media Server [13:25] techrights-bot "Well, perhaps you might want to consider the experience of English students in 2020 and the conclusions reached regarding the unfairness inherent in using algorithms to "adjust" grades" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1614863021618#c3148217388326008672 context: http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-does-not-understand-software/ [13:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat [13:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | Techrights [13:26] schestowitz__ [13:00] the one about OSI not showing up at FOSDEM 2021 [13:26] schestowitz__ that's very old [13:26] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/02/07/osi-no-show/ [13:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Analysis of OSIs No Show at FOSDEM 2021 | Techrights [13:27] schestowitz__ atm we configure another ipfs node in aussie [13:27] schestowitz__ should be useful as fallback and maybe there will be another new gemini site there (soon) [13:27] schestowitz__ busy computers are happy computers [13:30] techrights-bot Wow. #addictivetips has just posted 3 bits of #amazon spam in a row ("affiliate marketing"), basically pushing all sorts of US-neutral hardware products as if they're "For Linux". This is a growing epidemic http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/ [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights [13:32] techrights-bot #qt5 (LTS) -- not just #qt6 -- is #ProprietarySoftware now. #qt as a whole needs to be forked or abandoned if we value #freesw https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-5.15.3-released [13:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Commercial LTSQt5.15.3Released [13:33] techrights-bot It's mostly #ibm controlling #gtk (not #gnu as in the G) and it's a monopolist. #qt is #ProprietarySoftware now. Far from ideal situation/scenario for #freesw [13:34] techrights-bot #itpro is helping #microsodft #racist agenda https://www.itpro.co.uk/security/vulnerability/358774/weekly-threat-roundup-microsoft-exchange-chrome-spectre see http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [13:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Weekly threat roundup: Microsoft Exchange, Chrome, Spectre | IT PRO [13:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [13:35] Chaekyung back, time to steal a techrights article or two [13:36] techrights-bot "If you have the opportunity to get vaccinated, you should." The question is, which vaccine? Many of the ones pushed at the moment have barely been tested and they justify this by shouting "emergency" http://deblanc.net/blog/2021/03/04/vaccination/ [13:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deblanc.net | Vaccination | Life on M [13:38] techrights-bot Just #deleteGoogle from your life https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-promises-stop-tracking-users-but-will-track-groups/ #surveillance #espionage #google #imperialism [13:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Google Promises to Stop Tracking Users But Will Track Groups - Make Tech Easier [13:40] techrights-bot Calling somebody who rejects one particular vaccine (but gladly accepts and takes all the others) an "antivaxxer" is an insult to half of the world's society and a dangerous cheapening of the label, which makes it hard to identify the REAL threat (vaccine denialists) [13:44] techrights-bot #croc Is A Tool For Resumable, Encrypted File And Folder Transfers Between Computers (Command Line) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148421 [13:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | croc Is A Tool For Resumable, Encrypted File And Folder Transfers Between Computers (Command Line) | Tux Machines [13:45] techrights-bot The word "smart" is rapidly becoming synonymous with tracking or spying or surveillance https://www.wired.co.uk/article/future-screenshots so-called 'phones'... [13:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wired.co.uk | Screenshots suck. But theyre about to get a lot smarter | WIRED UK [13:45] DaemonFC[m] Mom's landlord was on the phone with her stunned that Mandy and I managed to get the vaccine when the states are struggling to get people 20 years older than us in. [13:46] techrights-bot 90% #gnu #linux and 10% #freebsd (no, #microsoft #windows is a goner) https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2021/03/04/most-reliable-hosting-company-sites-in-february-2021.html [13:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.netcraft.com | Most Reliable Hosting Company Sites in February 2021 | Netcraft News [13:47] techrights-bot "This is the 37th edition of the Kafka Monthly Digest! In this edition, Ill cover what happened in the Apache Kafka community in February 2021." https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/kafka-monthly-digest-2021-02/ [13:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | Kafka Monthly Digest February 2021 IBM Developer [13:51] techrights-bot #LinuxLinks The Home of #GNU #Linux https://www.linuxlinks.com/linuxlinks-home-linux/ [13:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LinuxLinks - The Home of Linux - LinuxLinks [13:54] techrights-bot Dangerous recipe to watch out for: So-called 'Linux' sites putting in there 'prepared' pieces that sort of almost look like articles but are actually SEO spam with links hidden deep inside to manipulate people and sell malicious crap. [13:54] techrights-bot #LibreOffice 7.1.1 Community available for download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148422 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #opendocument [13:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 7.1.1 Community available for download | Tux Machines [13:56] techrights-bot #snap or #snapcraft or #snapd and all that 'proprietary' (think #systemd notion of vendor lock-in) Canonical stuff is still bloated and generally undesirable, non-standard https://ubuntu.com//blog/honey-i-shrunk-the-snap [13:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Honey, I Shrunk the Snap! | Ubuntu [13:57] techrights-bot "Bugs like 1915579 which rendered my system unbootable." https://popey.com/blog/2021/03/unbreaking-unbootable-ubuntu/ #ubuntu #gnu #linux (but not a stable release, just testing) [13:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | Unbreaking Unbootable Ubuntu - Alan Pope's blog [13:58] Chaekyung schestowitz__: [13:59] Chaekyung I just noticed there is no https [13:59] Chaekyung https://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ works though but the certificate is for someorganization and it expired in 2019 [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights ● Mar 04 [14:00] Chaekyung schestowitz__: why not just use letsencrypt if you don't want to pay the bill? their 3 month long certs seems to work fine for now as long as you do a cron job [14:04] techrights-bot Torrent of Impurities is a brand new single-player and co-op Quake Episode https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/torrent-of-impurities-is-a-brand-new-singleplayer-and-co-op-quake-episode #gnu #linux #games [14:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Torrent of Impurities is a brand new single-player and co-op Quake Episode | GamingOnLinux [14:05] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [14:06] techrights-bot "No wonder why #Google could be locking down #Chrome to resist the rise of #Chromium -based browsers." https://news.itsfoss.com/brave-search-engine/ [14:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Privacy-Focused Brave Browser Plans to Challenge Google With A Private Search Engine - It's FOSS News [14:07] techrights-bot #IBM / #RedHat : #Kafka Monthly Digest, Red Hat Upselling, and Cockpit 239 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148423 #GNU #Linux [14:08] techrights-bot #Perl weekly challenge increasingly being outsource to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopolu http://blogs.perl.org/users/james_curtis-smith/2021/03/perl-weekly-challenge-102.html don't people know why to #deletegithub ? http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [14:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat: Kafka Monthly Digest, Red Hat Upselling, and Cockpit 239 | Tux Machines [14:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Perl weekly challenge 102 | James Curtis-Smith [blogs.perl.org] [14:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [14:13] *tdemin has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [14:17] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [14:20] techrights-bot Ubuntu: Unbreaking Unbootable #Ubuntu , #Snaps Shrunk and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148424 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: Unbreaking Unbootable Ubuntu, Snaps Shrunk and More | Tux Machines [14:23] techrights-bot "While the 5.12 merge window hasn't even been closed for a full week yet" https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.13-Raspberry-Pi-4-CEC #kernel #linux [14:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.13 To Support HDMI CEC With The Raspberry Pi 4 - Phoronix [14:26] techrights-bot #programming with #google toolsets, however, is too risky. They so often abandon initiatives, disservices and more https://bgr.com/2021/03/04/google-flutter-2-0-release-road-to-fuchsia/ [14:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google released an exciting upgrade to a resource most people wont even recognize BGR [14:29] techrights-bot The #ApacheSoftwareFoundation Announces Apache Daffodil as a Top-Level Project https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-software-foundation-announces74 #asf needs to #deletegithub after the #microsoft #entryism http://techrights.org/2019/04/29/asf-prisoner-of-microsoft/ [14:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | The Apache Software Foundation Announces Apache Daffodil as a Top-Level Project : The Apache Software Foundation Blog [14:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | After Killing the Independence of Apache Software Foundation (ASF) Microsoft Steals Its Soul, Too | Techrights [14:31] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/eiwWkrBlwpM [14:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- - - YouTube [14:32] techrights-bot #suse blog being used for #marketing of #sap #ProprietarySoftware again https://www.suse.com/c/simple-mount-structure-for-sap-application-platform/ see http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/novell-suse-sap/ [14:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Simple Mount Structure for SAP Application Platform | SUSE Communities [14:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE Said It Was Becoming Independent But Instead It Became Like an Asset of SAP (German Microsoft), Which is Hostile Towards Free Software | Techrights [14:34] schestowitz__ XRevan86: what da? [14:34] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Just art [14:34] schestowitz__ whose? [14:36] XRevan86 schestowitz__: ShKYa [14:41] techrights-bot TVs With Linux and #RaspberryPi Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148426 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TVs With Linux and Raspberry Pi Latest | Tux Machines [14:41] techrights-bot #AMD Linux 5.12 and Linux 5.10.20 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148425 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Linux 5.12 and Linux 5.10.20 | Tux Machines [14:43] techrights-bot #suse brags about working for polluters https://www.suse.com/c/phillips-66-reduces-costs-and-increases-agility-with-suse/ [14:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Phillips 66 reduces costs and increases agility with SUSE | SUSE Communities [14:44] DaemonFC[m] I plan to take a long term antibody test 14 days after my second dose to see if the vaccine produced a response or if I need to get another one. [14:44] techrights-bot Might and Delight confirm #Shelter3 to launch on March 30 | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/might-and-delight-confirm-shelter-3-to-launch-on-march-30 #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games [14:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Might and Delight confirm Shelter 3 to launch on March 30 | GamingOnLinux [14:44] DaemonFC[m] I suspect it will. Probably the second dose was needed because old people have immune systems that are worn down from age and they want to make sure there's a strong enough response in them. [14:46] techrights-bot "sponsored by Red Hat" #ibm acting like #microsoft ... paying people to write flattering things about itself... https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/harvard-business-analytic-services-banking-transformation-originates-strong-core [14:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Harvard Business Analytic Services: Banking transformation originates from a strong core [14:48] techrights-bot "Both have pros and cons and with a sane operating system (like my Kubuntu Linux 20.04) you can unplug one on the fly and use the other without too much magnetic noises and a get plug'n'play experience" https://www.davidrevoy.com/article820/cintiq-or-intuos-or-both-the-tablets-i-use [14:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidrevoy.com | Cintiq or Intuos? ...or both? The tablets I use. - David Revoy [14:52] techrights-bot NEWS #DemocracyNow Asian American Communities Organize Against Rise in Hate Crimes, Say More Policing Is Not the Answer https://www.democracynow.org/2021/3/3/hate_crimes_against_asian_americans #microsoft inciting #racism http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [14:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Asian American Communities Organize Against Rise in Hate Crimes, Say More Policing Is Not the Answer | Democracy Now! [14:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [14:53] techrights-bot NEWS #CounterPunch #RulingClass Joe #Biden and the Essence of American #Politics https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/03/03/ruling-class-joe-and-the-essence-of-american-politics/ "Biden is showing us that he is what many of us who paid attention knew and warned he was: the Weimarian Third Way/Door." [14:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ruling Class Joe and the Essence of American Politics - CounterPunch.org ● Mar 04 [15:00] *inky (~inky@37.252.67.70) has joined #techrights [15:04] *tdemin (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights [15:06] techrights-bot "The popular conception of an election campaign in the United States is that it revolves heavily around scheming strategists, deals cut in smoke-filled backrooms, and carefully measured soundbites for consumption by the media." http://coyote.works//the-big-reset-to-zero.html [15:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | The Big Reset To Zero [15:06] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:08] techrights-bot "Any community-related works on my part within the Ubuntu context are scrapped at the moment. Apologies have already been given." #ubuntu is no longer a community (it felt a bit like it >10 years ago, now it's #canonical ) http://coyote.works//where-my-projects-stand-now.html [15:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Where My Projects Stand Now [15:09] techrights-bot "While there was a lot of initial backlash from the community and threats of new "free" forks, The Qt Company has moved ahead with this commercial-only phase." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Qt-5.15.3-LTS-Released [15:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Qt 5.15.3 LTS Released With 200+ Bug Fixes, But Only For Commercial Customers - Phoronix [15:10] techrights-bot "I'm a 20+ years old KDE user and as sad as it sounds I'm starting to think that they should ditch #QT for good." Same here. 20+ years and still on #kde https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1242512-qt-5-15-3-lts-released-with-200-bug-fixes-but-only-for-commercial-customers [15:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Qt 5.15.3 LTS Released With 200+ Bug Fixes, But Only For Commercial Customers - Phoronix Forums [15:11] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: Someone on Facebook was making fun of me with a jpeg of people wearing masks with things like "I like to be controlled." and "I love Bill Gates.". [15:11] DaemonFC[m] Avoiding a deadly virus has nothing to do with whether one likes Bill Gates or not. [15:11] DaemonFC[m] The media selling him "news stories" as unlabeled "sponsored content" is sabotaging the vaccine rollout. [15:12] techrights-bot Maybe #kde should fork latest #qt5 and call it #kt5 or something. The cross-platform side of it never mattered much to KDE itself anyway. Just cross distros, inc. #bsd (it is doable, also less disruption due to #qt6 and 7...) [15:12] DaemonFC[m] I don't think there's anything seriously wrong with any of the vaccine options out there, compared to the risk of the Coronavirus, but the media keeps shitting on the vaccines because everyone knows how shifty and unethical Bill Gates is. [15:12] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: yes, it harms it [15:12] schestowitz__ the gates obsession in the media [15:12] schestowitz__ and now his kids [15:12] schestowitz__ who did nothing in her life [15:13] schestowitz__ immediate celeb "coz daddy bribes the media" [15:13] schestowitz__ those are not vaccine experts [15:13] schestowitz__ rolling out their sleeve is not a skill [15:13] schestowitz__ the media does what it takes to deter and put people off [15:13] schestowitz__ so well done, gates [15:13] schestowitz__ "vaccines... endorsed by a famous criminal... book now!" [15:15] schestowitz__ Bill Gates is not helping to promote vaccines but helps to put people off and reject them collectively, as they perceive acceptance of vaccine as acceptance of a criminal. Bill gains a lot; gets to associate all his critics with "antivaxxers" or "anti-science". [15:16] CrystalMath yeah i know, i think there'd be more people getting vaccines if Bill Gates said they were all a fraud [15:16] CrystalMath though, i kinda agreed with Gates sometimes, he's not all bad [15:17] CrystalMath i think that maybe 1% of him actually wants something good [15:17] MinceR maybe we should surgically remove and kill the rest [15:17] schestowitz__ Likewise, 5G stakeholders (i.e. patent pool) managed to convince lots of gullible fools is that the only problem with 5G deployments/roll-out is that radio somehow spreads viruses or "enables" them [15:19] CrystalMath yeah, ridiculous [15:19] CrystalMath i signed a petition against 5G, but not because it's dangerous to biological organisms, as the petition text said [15:19] CrystalMath but because of the patent crap [15:19] schestowitz__ there are other issue [15:20] schestowitz__ sat comms for weather [15:20] schestowitz__ radiation [15:20] schestowitz__ among others [15:20] MinceR there are neutrons coming at us from the sun [15:20] MinceR i say we extinguish the sun! [15:20] MinceR oops [15:20] MinceR neutrinos [15:20] schestowitz__ [15:17] i think that maybe 1% of him actually wants something good [15:20] schestowitz__ the1% [15:20] schestowitz__ :-) [15:23] *tr_guest|14712 (5cb86baf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.184.107.175) has joined #techrights [15:24] *tr_guest|14712 has quit (Client Quit) [15:25] techrights-bot "Cat Floor Studio, the developer, is a solo studio too which is surprising given how much thought went into this i would have expected at least 3-4 people on it. Always surprises me what tiny teams and solo developers can do." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/the-god-unit-is-a-brain-tickling-first-person-physics-puzzle-game-out-now [15:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The GoD Unit is a brain-tickling first-person physics puzzle game out now | GamingOnLinux [15:27] techrights-bot " #security researcher Alexander Popov has discovered and fixed five similar issues in the virtual socket implementation of the #Linux #kernel ." https://www.tfir.io/positive-technologies-researcher-discovers-and-fixes-linux-kernel-vulnerabilities/ [15:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tfir.io | Positive Technologies Researcher Discovers And Fixes Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities | TFiR: Interviews, News & Analysis by Swapnil Bhartiya [15:29] techrights-bot "From LEO the #StarShip will need less propellant (thus the upper stage is smaller than the first stage) to its journey to Moon and Mars and maybe even Moons of Saturn." https://dwaves.de/2021/03/04/spacexs-spaceship-starship-sn10-the-eagle-has-landed-almost-20min-later-bocachicaboomboom-why-settling-on-mars-is-critical-for-mankind-to-survive-in-the-universe/ [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- SpaceXs SpaceShip StarShip SN10 THE EAGLE HAS LANDED almost 20min later BocaChicaBoomBoom Why settling on Mars is critical for mankind to survive in the universe | dwaves.de [15:39] *avalos has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:40] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/21022131 [15:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5259520) [15:42] *avalos (~avalos@ec2-3-13-12-160.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #techrights [15:44] superkuh Well, look at it this way. You have no immunity. You can either get the virus which will do virus things like merging your cell membranes together and generally causing massive inflammation and disregulation of the angeotensin system, or, you can get a vaccine that only makes the spike protein and is inert. [15:44] techrights-bot Stable Kernels: 5.11.3, 5.10.20, 5.4.102, 4.19.178, 4.14.223, 4.9.259 , and 4.4.259 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148427 #Linux #TuxMachines #kernel [15:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.11.3, 5.10.20, 5.4.102, 4.19.178, 4.14.223, 4.9.259 , and 4.4.259 | Tux Machines [15:45] MinceR or you can get tricked by the government into getting a vaccine that's supposed to be inactivated virions but due to poor quality control, not all the virions were inactivated [15:45] MinceR and instead of maybe getting infected, you're getting infected for sure [15:51] *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: 50db7o.jpg (80KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/sxryvyAQEvqPiRTkjeoCIPJe/50db7o.jpg > [15:51] DaemonFC[m] mjg59 [15:51] MinceR :) [15:52] DaemonFC[m] Well, the adenovirus they selected should be harmless. [15:52] MinceR that's a different vaccine [15:52] MinceR with the adenovirus, you might just acquire immunity to the adenovirus and then blithely wonder into the path of SARS-CoV-2, get infected and seriously ill [15:52] DaemonFC[m] Oh, you mean the live inactivated ones. [15:52] MinceR yes [15:52] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, that's dodgy. But I think it's India doing that. [15:53] MinceR red china is doing it too [15:53] MinceR allegedly the gypsy king's favorite is the sinopharm one [15:53] DaemonFC[m] Oh good. Well, if you have a choice and want one in Hungary, I'd rather gamble with the Sputnik V one. [15:53] MinceR (apparently he feels more need to lick winnie the pooh's ass than putler's right now) [15:53] DaemonFC[m] But that's not saying much. [15:53] MinceR i'd rather wait until i can get something approved by the EMA [15:54] MinceR hopefully by then there will be enough data about them [15:54] DaemonFC[m] Well, mom says she'll get the J&J one, which is Ad26 vector. [15:54] DaemonFC[m] And I hear it's at least very effective at preventing severe COVID. [15:54] DaemonFC[m] So if she does get it later, she'll almost certainly survive. [15:55] MinceR from what you said, it seemed that the main attraction was that it works with 1 dose [15:55] DaemonFC[m] Yes, her employer is not giving anyone the excuse that the vaccine made them so sick they had to take time off. [15:55] DaemonFC[m] So not only would she have to drive 200 miles across Indiana to actually get an mRNA shot, twice, she'd risk having side effects both times and perhaps not even wanting to return for the second dose. [15:56] DaemonFC[m] So driving 80 miles once for J&J makes more sense. [15:56] DaemonFC[m] It's what's most available now, and it seems to work okay. [15:57] DaemonFC[m] They don't have the production and logistical nightmare that a two dose vaccine that has to be stored in very cold freezers does. [15:58] DaemonFC[m] The state of Indiana seems to be setting up a lot of pop-up vaccine clinics with the J&J one, so more people are going to be able to get that one anyway. [15:58] DaemonFC[m] Because the distribution and scheduling doesn't work as well with Pfizer and Moderna. [15:59] DaemonFC[m] It's a trade off. If you're having distribution and patient compliance issues, you want the one that works well enough with one dose. [15:59] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I'm pretty sure that J&J will be approved in Europe at some point. [15:59] DaemonFC[m] I'm still more confident in the US FDA than the Russian government saying SPutnik should work, but Putin himself won't take it. ● Mar 04 [16:00] DaemonFC[m] "I have other vaccines that I need to take first." [16:00] MinceR i'm not sure if nazi hungary ordered or will order any of it [16:00] DaemonFC[m] Yes, during a pandemic the urgent need to take other vaccines just suddenly came up in his late 60s, you know? [16:00] DaemonFC[m] Darn it. [16:00] MinceR where it's made isn't enough of a dystopian shithole for the gypsy king's taste [16:00] MinceR not worth sucking up there [16:01] DaemonFC[m] You're not worried that if you criticize Orban that "unknown assailants" will find you? [16:01] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/21021963 [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5254825) [16:01] MinceR i'm not sure what i have to lose [16:02] MinceR besides, this is not dumbFuckBook [16:02] MinceR so it isn't as easy as asking Fuckerberg for the ID of whoever is writing this [16:03] techrights-bot Blackmail artists and extortion artists are utilising or exploiting causes like those of actual activists to make their unethical operations seem of feel well-meaning https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qtfkvxcmhwqs/mip-international-patent-forum-why-straight-white-men-should-help-diversity-drive [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | MIP International Patent Forum: Why straight white men should help diversity drive | Managing Intellectual Property [16:04] schestowitz__ Chaekyung: red velvet in my LINUX feeds https://linuxreviews.org/It%27s_Yeriday [16:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | It's Yeriday - LinuxReviews [16:07] techrights-bot Justice system becoming growingly farcical https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/02/help-italy-has-too-many-types-of-digital-trials/ [16:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Help! Italy has too many types of digital trials | Stop at Zona-M [16:09] techrights-bot #LibreOffice 7.1 Office Suite Gets First Point Release, over 90 Bugs Were Fixed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148429 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw [16:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 7.1 Office Suite Gets First Point Release, over 90 Bugs Were Fixed | Tux Machines [16:09] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148428 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [16:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:11] techrights-bot Sweet Home 3D 6.5 http://www.sweethome3d.com/blog/2021/03/03/sweet_home_3d_6_5.html #freesw [16:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sweethome3d.com | Sweet Home 3D 6.5 - Sweet Home 3D Blog [16:13] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:17] techrights-bot The #thinktank of #patent extremists is trying to distort what's happening with #softwarepatents after #SCOTUS pretty much eliminated all of them (or those judged in a court) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qtfmx5j7vv3t/how-counsel-balance-uspto-and-court-edicts-on-section-101 [16:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | How counsel balance USPTO and court edicts on Section 101 | Managing Intellectual Property [16:19] techrights-bot #texas is totally crazy when it comes to #patent law/litigation and it is destroying the Texan economy already; it cannot even supply power to its residents. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/discretionary-transfer-waco.html [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Discretionary Transfer out of Waco | Patently-O [16:25] techrights-bot #internet trolls who lurk in #irc of #techrights mining for 'dirt' link to me by a fake (not mine) account and somehow also accuse #phoronix of intolerance (which is total baloney) https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1367378882068836359 http://techrights.org/2019/08/20/phoronix-demonised/ [16:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: Sadly, it doesn't take much effort to find that many of our community spaces tolerate intolerance. Community leader https://t.co/DwVTbO2gBa [16:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: Sadly, it doesn't take much effort to find that many of our community spaces tolerate intolerance. Community leader https://t.co/DwVTbO2gBa [16:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why We Support Phoronix (Whereas Some Others Do Not) | Techrights [16:27] MinceR ooh, we're going to be cancelled too? [16:28] schestowitz__ nwo they go after Michael [16:28] schestowitz__ [16:26] (Depressing true story: I've spoken to people who are unwilling to criticise Phoronix because having their work mentioned there is a positive for performance reviews, and @michaellarabel [16:28] schestowitz__ [16:26] has demonstrated willingness to ignore work produced by critics) [16:28] schestowitz__ because Michael is pureee evil [16:28] schestowitz__ he ways babies and women [16:28] schestowitz__ true story: his wife lost her job as the pandemic started [16:28] Digit he what? [16:29] schestowitz__ months after giving birth [16:29] schestowitz__ young baby boy [16:29] schestowitz__ so michael now looks after 3 people [16:29] schestowitz__ and a troll who took $150,000 salary from Google public trolls him [16:29] schestowitz__ "Racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia" [16:29] *inky (~inky@46.241.155.179) has joined #techrights [16:29] schestowitz__ Yeah, that's michael [16:29] schestowitz__ Phoronix is aaaaalllll "Racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia" [16:29] schestowitz__ somehow I fail to see it [16:30] *Digit still stuck on "he ways babies and women" ...? he what? [16:30] schestowitz__ maybe I need a bigger mocroscope [16:30] schestowitz__ the Google troll is unemployed now [16:30] schestowitz__ so he's parking hers in IRC [16:30] schestowitz__ marking people to "cancel" [16:30] schestowitz__ slow clap... [16:30] schestowitz__ Digit: sarcasm [16:31] *Digit was thinking schestowitz__ is too caught up in his roll to clarify "he ways babies and women" [16:31] Digit weighs? was? idk how one "ways" something. [16:33] techrights-bot #suse site does #sap #proprietarySoftware fluff/spam for second time in a day. How about using the blog to promote #freesw instead, SUSE? https://www.suse.com/c/two-webinars-for-two-important-aspects-of-sap-deployment/ see http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/novell-suse-sap/ [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two Webinars for Two Important Aspects of SAP Deployment | SUSE Communities [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE Said It Was Becoming Independent But Instead It Became Like an Asset of SAP (German Microsoft), Which is Hostile Towards Free Software | Techrights [16:33] Old_Man When you see someone being accused of "racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia," that has become an indicator that they probably know what they're talking about in some other field, and caused resentment in someone who didn't. [16:34] Old_Man So those accusations have become a contraindicator for trustworthiness in other fields. [16:34] Old_Man So, if anyone's getting accused of racism/misogyny/transphobia, come tell me what you know. :) [16:34] techrights-bot NEWS #EFF #police The Justice in Policing Act Does Not Do Enough to Rein in Body-Worn Cameras https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/justice-policing-act-does-not-do-enough-reign-body-worn-cameras [16:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | The Justice in Policing Act Does Not Do Enough to Rein in Body-Worn Cameras | Electronic Frontier Foundation [16:35] *Old_Man offers the chair next to himself to JK Rowling. [16:35] MinceR good news for actual racists, sexists, homophobes and transphobes [16:35] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:35] schestowitz__ [16:31] weighs? was? idk how one "ways" something. [16:35] schestowitz__ I mistyped [16:35] schestowitz__ I think I meant "eats" [16:35] MinceR the crybullies will soon make any such accusations lack credibility [16:36] Old_Man Nah, I'm perfectly adept at refuting *actual* racism and transphobia when I see it. But that's only about 1% of the time I see the accusations made. [16:36] schestowitz__ mjg59 is harming real activists [16:37] schestowitz__ pseudo-'hacktivt' [16:37] schestowitz__ working for monopolies [16:37] schestowitz__ giving a bad name to real campaigners [16:37] *danielinux_ is now known as danielinux [16:37] schestowitz__ by using too broad a brush [16:37] schestowitz__ and tries to frame me (with highlight in twitter) as "racist" and stuff [16:37] schestowitz__ I suppose because someone in IRC wrote some blog posts he did not like [16:38] *schestowitz__ looking at Chaekyung [16:38] Old_Man It's not at all difficult to hold up claims about race/sex/etc. to Mohamad Safa's quote and see where it falls: [16:38] Old_Man "Our world is not divided by race, color, gender, or religion. Our world is divided into wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender, or religion." [16:38] schestowitz__ so I am responsible for each blog post of Chaekyung [16:38] schestowitz__ whom I barely know [16:38] schestowitz__ anyway, this harms real activists [16:38] schestowitz__ not just by attacking hard-working Michael [16:38] schestowitz__ who works 100+ hours a week [16:38] schestowitz__ for scraps [16:39] schestowitz__ benchmaking things and following news non-step [16:39] schestowitz__ *stop [16:39] MinceR Old_Man: then they'll just increase the rate to the point where you won't have time to verify every accusation :> [16:39] schestowitz__ it's also helping make a caricature of real activists [16:39] schestowitz__ actual victims of sexism, homophobia etc. [16:39] Old_Man MinceR: "Hitchens's Razor" makes that easy. [16:39] schestowitz__ I assume matt was abused as a kid or something [16:39] schestowitz__ so he's looking for revenge on someone/s [16:39] schestowitz__ and he picks the wrong targets [16:40] schestowitz__ instead of berating RACIST COMPANIES he WORKS for them [16:40] Old_Man Who's matt? [16:40] schestowitz__ to get the MONIES [16:40] schestowitz__ Old_Man: mjg59 [16:40] schestowitz__ who lurks here for dirt [16:40] Old_Man Oh, the child molester? [16:40] schestowitz__ and keeps reaffirming our suspicions about him [16:40] schestowitz__ Old_Man: no, the professional troll [16:40] schestowitz__ corporate troll [16:41] Old_Man I thought he was a child molester too? [16:41] schestowitz__ trolling RMS, Torvalds, now Larablel [16:41] schestowitz__ to make himself seem as important as them [16:41] schestowitz__ by interjecting himself into headlines etc. [16:41] schestowitz__ trolling works like that [16:41] Old_Man Didn't he say something about understanding Biden's predilection for sniffing and making physical contact with small children? [16:41] schestowitz__ no idea [16:43] schestowitz__ he'll correct his tweet, I'm sure [16:43] schestowitz__ if he values facts (he does not) [16:43] schestowitz__ tweets cannot even be corrected [16:43] schestowitz__ it's a 'feature' [16:43] schestowitz__ for the viral mobs [16:43] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ [16:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights [16:44] schestowitz__ what they did in twitter to RMS: http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake Door Sign Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights [16:44] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt Not OK, Zoomer: Here's Why You Hate #Videoconference Meetings - And What To Do About It https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210226/06104846322/not-ok-zoomer-heres-why-you-hate-videoconference-meetings-what-to-do-about-it.shtml [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not OK, Zoomer: Here's Why You Hate Videoconference Meetings -- And What To Do About It | Techdirt [16:45] DaemonFC[m] Maybe Texas is a self-canceling problem. The jury pool that decides that ridiculous patents should be enforced doesn't have to wear their face mask now. [16:46] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt After Hyping #5G For Years, Verizon Advises Users To Turn It Off To Avoid Battery Drain https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210302/09301446347/after-hyping-5g-years-verizon-advises-users-to-turn-it-off-to-avoid-battery-drain.shtml [16:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Hyping 5G For Years, Verizon Advises Users To Turn It Off To Avoid Battery Drain | Techdirt [16:46] schestowitz__ Ariadne: 5g hype ^^ [16:46] schestowitz__ lol [16:46] DaemonFC[m] "Sadly, it doesn't take much effort to find that many of our community spaces tolerate intolerance." - mjg59 [16:47] schestowitz__ so powerful it sucks up all the power [16:47] DaemonFC[m] (German Accent) INTOLERANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED! [16:47] schestowitz__ inzolerens [16:47] schestowitz__ vill not [16:47] DaemonFC[m] NEIN, SO WAS! [16:48] schestowitz__ das ist gut, mein DaemonFC[m] [16:48] schestowitz__ is thast racist by the way [16:48] schestowitz__ is German also a race? [16:48] schestowitz__ is American a race? [16:48] schestowitz__ I saw an article this week about how they tried to say American was a race [16:49] DaemonFC[m] Most people who have completely forgotten where their family immigrated from just put down "American" heritage. [16:49] DaemonFC[m] The numbers are higher in areas where Republicans do well in the elections. [16:50] DaemonFC[m] Not that they're necessarily wrong for putting that down, I suppose. [16:50] DaemonFC[m] We've been a thing for long enough, I guess. [16:50] schestowitz__ race to the bottom [16:50] schestowitz__ bottom of all arguments [16:52] DaemonFC[m] mjg59 cashes paychecks from companies that implement DRM, foist locked bootloaders on people (which he helped to lock), spy on people and share their data with advertisers and the government, and sue people under the DMCA for reporting security holes in their products. [16:52] DaemonFC[m] He's probably at Apple now. [16:54] DaemonFC[m] I think the real reason for the linux subsystem on chromebooks is so that people don't put them in developer mode and replace Chrome OS. [16:54] DaemonFC[m] What's the point if the software runs in Chrome OS? For many people, there is none and then Google can keep spying on you and forcing Chrome as your web browser. [16:54] schestowitz__ chromeOS is not an os [16:55] schestowitz__ it's a browser (spyware) with kernel to boot it [16:55] schestowitz__ it's a joke [16:55] schestowitz__ and a massive regression [16:55] schestowitz__ like game console in laptop form factor [16:55] schestowitz__ I'm going to post daily links now [16:55] schestowitz__ anyway, trolls gonna troll [16:55] schestowitz__ I noticed that Google critics piss of those trolls the most [16:55] schestowitz__ Google bribes EFF, FSFE, Debian etc. [16:56] schestowitz__ and people who call them out, like Pocock, get "marked for death" [16:56] schestowitz__ by people who take blood-stained salaries from Google [16:56] schestowitz__ drenched in blood and semen [16:56] schestowitz__ from perverts a criminals who cover up for them [16:56] schestowitz__ anyway, me back to posting links... [16:57] schestowitz__ more productive stuff... just pisses me off to think they waste Larabel's time with this utter corporate trolling ● Mar 04 [17:00] schestowitz__ This was in Planet GNOME today [17:00] schestowitz__ http://deblanc.net/blog/2021/03/04/vaccination/ [17:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deblanc.net | Vaccination | Life on M [17:00] schestowitz__ RMS complained when de Icaza was shilling Microsoft proprietary stuff in that planet [17:00] schestowitz__ or maybe some others did vmware [17:00] schestowitz__ and they attacked him for saying that [17:00] schestowitz__ about a GNU project [17:01] schestowitz__ Planet GNOME? Maybe tomorrow a post about Biden and Trump, too.. [17:10] *Old_Man has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:14] MinceR 04 174833 < schestowitz__> is German also a race? [17:14] MinceR depends on your feelings, of course [17:17] *Old_Man (~ld@70147.numbersstation.org) has joined #techrights [17:17] psydroid I read that as her telling people that she was going on vacation for an indefinite time [17:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deblanc.net | March | 2021 | Life on M [17:19] psydroid don't like someone? send them on an unpaid and indefinite vacation from Twitter, FB, YouTube etc. [17:24] techrights-bot #KDE s Apps Update for March 2021 Improves Spectacle, #Gwenview , and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148430 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDEs Apps Update for March 2021 Improves Spectacle, Gwenview, and More | Tux Machines [17:25] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148431 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:27] schestowitz__ psydroid: I don't get it [17:27] schestowitz__ just looked again [17:27] schestowitz__ maybe you first read "vacc" as vacation? [17:28] schestowitz__ funny that in recent comments in her blog about half as from my sites [17:28] techrights-bot Games: Torrent of Impurities, Shelter 3, GoD Unit, and Mail Mole http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148432 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Games #Gaming [17:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Torrent of Impurities, Shelter 3, GoD Unit, and Mail Mole | Tux Machines [17:28] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148433 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [17:28] schestowitz__ commenting is no longer even possible afaict [17:29] schestowitz__ it's weird because... [17:29] schestowitz__ she's arguing a lot with pocock [17:29] psydroid schestowitz__: yes, that was kind of the joke [17:29] schestowitz__ whom we republish at times [17:29] schestowitz__ psydroid: I thought maybe she had cancelled herself somewhere in the text [17:29] schestowitz__ and I did not notice [17:29] psydroid I was like "why is she suddenly writing about vacations?" [17:29] schestowitz__ she does keep low profile now [17:29] schestowitz__ like de Icaza does [17:30] techrights-bot Software: #SweetHome3D 6.5, Video Editors, and #Tor Browser 10.0.13 (GNU/Linux Only) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148434 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Sweet Home 3D 6.5, Video Editors, and Tor Browser 10.0.13 (GNU/Linux Only) | Tux Machines [17:30] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148435 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:30] techrights-bot Links 4/3/2021: #LibreOffice 7.1.1, #Cockpit 239, Many Stable #Kernel Releases http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/many-stable-kernel-releases/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/04/many-stable-kernel-releases/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/04/#latest [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/3/2021: LibreOffice 7.1.1, Cockpit 239, Many Stable Kernel Releases | Techrights [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [17:33] schestowitz__ both from gnome foundation btw [17:33] schestowitz__ stormy peters also nearly vanished [17:33] schestowitz__ she is attacking the people who thought she was one of them [17:33] schestowitz__ in exchange for a salary of a criminal company -- a serial criminal [17:34] schestowitz__ it's worth debating how to better prevent people from defecting to corporate crimes [17:37] psydroid the thing is that if people can ruin one field of technology completely by selling themselves out for a quick buck, they could do so in any other field too [17:38] *koo5 (~koo5@37-48-28-155.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [17:39] *inky (~inky@141.136.79.40) has joined #techrights [17:40] Digit a lot go into pharmaceuticals and stock trading. [17:46] schestowitz__ 'trading' [17:46] schestowitz__ gaming more-liek [17:46] schestowitz__ like crashing companies for a buck [17:47] schestowitz__ c.f. vulture capitalists [17:47] schestowitz__ hedge funds etc. [17:47] schestowitz__ now they consciously kill journalism [17:47] schestowitz__ today: [17:47] schestowitz__ [11:45] NEWS #Shadowproof #Finance US Journalists Form Unions To Survive #HedgeFund Vampires And #COVID19 #Pandemic https://shadowproof.com/2021/03/03/us-journalists-form-unions-to-survive-hedge-fund-vampires-and-covid-19-pandemic/ [17:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shadowproof.com | Newsroom Labor Organizing Sweeps US As Industry Crisis Deepens [17:47] schestowitz__ one of many such stories [17:47] schestowitz__ they bet against reporting [17:47] schestowitz__ so nobody calls out corporate crime [17:47] schestowitz__ or EPO corruption etc. [17:48] schestowitz__ who even covers LF corruption? [17:48] schestowitz__ almost nobodty [17:48] schestowitz__ just mentioned habitually in youtube and web forums [17:48] schestowitz__ until those who mention it get banned [17:48] schestowitz__ bbl [17:55] *aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● Mar 04 [18:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [18:01] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:18] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:19] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:57] mjg59 schestowitz__: Are you claiming that the Phoronix forums *don't* contain a bunch of transphobia? ● Mar 04 [19:02] CrystalMath they do? [19:06] mjg59 They do [19:07] MinceR [citation needed] [19:09] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:09] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:11] DaemonFC[m] mjg59 is offended for them. [19:13] MinceR well, i am offended by SJWs canceling people like RMS [19:13] MinceR i am also offended by CoCs being forced onto free software projects [19:15] mjg59 eg, https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/hardware/processors-memory/1171334-intel-xeon-gold-5220r-xeon-gold-6226r-linux-performance?p=1171652#post1171652 [19:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Xeon Gold 5220R + Xeon Gold 6226R Linux Performance - Phoronix Forums [19:17] MinceR how many is a "bunch", though? [19:17] mjg59 Pretty much every thread about a story containing a trans person contains some [19:17] MinceR are there many such threads? [19:17] mjg59 Yes [19:18] MinceR is Michael Larabel responsible for what other people say on a public forum he hosts on his site? [19:18] mjg59 No, but he is responsible for the lack of moderation [19:20] MinceR i wonder if we'll also be cancelled for not moderating what you say here :> [19:24] *avalos has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:26] *avalos (~avalos@ec2-3-13-12-160.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #techrights [19:27] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:27] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:29] DaemonFC[m] https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/2021/3/4/22313669/jewel-teamsters-warehouse-workers-delivery-drivers-contract-talks-strike-authorization [19:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chicago.suntimes.com | Jewel distribution workers union says time is short to avert strike - Chicago Sun-Times [19:29] DaemonFC[m] "The union said mandatory six-day workweeks have caused dangerous overcrowding at the warehouse, resulting in some employees contracting COVID-19. It said the company has threatened workers with discipline if they take time off for vaccine appointments." [19:30] DaemonFC[m] I see the vaccination as something we can do and something we've got to do. We're lucky we've avoided this for so long. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] Long COVID has become such a problem that the Social Security Administration is investigating how many years it could potentially continue because people are filing disability claims with it and doctors don't know whether to say if it can last for more than 12 months or cause death. [19:32] DaemonFC[m] The situation is not fantastic with the vaccines as far as knowing everything they could potentially do, but I'd say death or Long COVID is probably worse. [19:46] DaemonFC[m] Not allowing time off for a vaccine appointment is a legitimate grievance. [19:47] DaemonFC[m] In fact, that's one where the state should be coming in and doing something. [19:48] DaemonFC[m] Mandy asked for Sunday off to take his second dose like he did on the 12th of February for his first, and his boss said "Take it. I'll trade you shifts with someone.". [19:48] DaemonFC[m] He's already down workers because they call in over covid or to goof off. Last thing he needs is to lose another one. Smart guy. [19:50] Old_Man Speculating on whether a person is intersex, transsexual, or transvestite does not constitute "transphobic." That is an Orwellian redefinition of the term. [19:50] Old_Man And I am offended and hurt by people who attempt to make such false accusations by redefining the term. [19:52] mjg59 Old_Man: "tranny" is a slur [19:52] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:52] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [19:53] Old_Man I am offended and hurt by people who attempt to make words into "slurs" before consulting with the person who spoke it, to determine whether they intended it to be one. [19:53] mjg59 k [19:54] Old_Man "Our world is not divided by race, color, gender, or religion. Our world is divided into wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender, or religion." -Mohamad Safa [19:54] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:55] mjg59 The people who use slurs to describe trans people are the ones dividing by gender here [19:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:56] Old_Man You haven't provided any evidence that it's a slur. You just spewed out that hateful accusation like a bigot. [19:56] Old_Man And such bigotry coming from you is offensive and hurtful. [19:58] mjg59 Sir, you're the person who was incapable of understanding the literal definition of the word "evidence" [19:58] Old_Man No, what I said is that we could all clearly agree on Merriam-Webster dictionary definition 1 a. [19:58] mjg59 I'm not convinced you're a reliable source on the meaning of language [19:59] Old_Man But this is what now, the third time you've been such an outright fucking liar on that point? [19:59] Old_Man Tell me: is there anyone who shares your opinion who is *not* a fucking lar? [19:59] Old_Man s/lar/liar/ [19:59] Old_Man https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tranny [19:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tranny | Definition of Tranny by Merriam-Webster [19:59] Old_Man "Sometimes disparaging." [19:59] Old_Man So, you need to consult with the speaker of that term to determine whether they *did* intend it to be disparaging, or *did not*. [19:59] DaemonFC[m] mjg59: So my spouse is Asian and he laughs at South Park. Especially the episode where they go to the P.F. Changs. ● Mar 04 [20:00] mjg59 DaemonFC[m]: Cool? [20:00] DaemonFC[m] An inability to laugh at a caricature of yourself is the sign of a personality defect. [20:00] MinceR and now your spouse is going to be cancelled for that [20:00] DaemonFC[m] You seem to be pissed off over everything, and nobody but you cares. [20:00] DaemonFC[m] Seek help. [20:00] Old_Man So, mjg59 "is not convinced" that the Merriam-Webster dictionary is a reliable source on the meaning of language. :D [20:01] Old_Man That's a clear indication of Orwellian "newspeak" totalitarianism. [20:01] Old_Man Rejecting the Merriam-Webster dictionary, and my citations of it, over and over again. [20:01] DaemonFC[m] If words have meaning, then people like him can't change the meaning as easily. [20:01] MinceR i think mjg59 has confused this channel with a courtroom [20:01] gry or he's just from the UK [20:01] mjg59 Old_Man: Your argument that personal testimony is not evidence is counterfactual [20:02] Old_Man mjg59, and by "counterfactual," you mean that it's purple with mauve polka-dots on it, right? [20:02] Old_Man Gosh, this redefinition of words is so much fun! :D [20:02] MinceR lol [20:02] DaemonFC[m] mjg59 want to change the language. [20:03] gry isn't mjg59 calling it a 'slur' and Old_Man calling it 'sometimes disparaging' the same thing? [20:03] DaemonFC[m] That was instead of he and her we can have xe, xim, awkward uses of they, and so on. [20:03] gry like you two agree [20:03] MinceR gry: only if "sometimes" means "always" [20:03] MinceR or it's just a weird-looking space [20:03] Old_Man gry, read my words. I said mjg59 had to consult with the speaker to determine if it was or wasn't. [20:03] DaemonFC[m] Oh, "per". [20:03] Old_Man Because the dictioary explicitly says "sometimes." [20:03] gry i think its better to avoid words which might be interpreted as insulting [20:03] gry even if sometimes [20:03] DaemonFC[m] Don't forget "per". [20:04] gry at the very least, it can be a valid opinion [20:04] Old_Man gry, leave it up to the speaker, not the listener. If you leave it up to the listener, then it's subject to corruption by dishonest people like mjg59. [20:04] gry https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/tranny says it is 'offensive' [20:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tranny noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com [20:04] gry perhaps it will help you [20:04] Old_Man People who are trying to spread hate-screaming and bigotry by redefining words. [20:05] MinceR i think it's better to avoid cancelling people and forums for using words which might be interpreted as insulting [20:05] Old_Man In fact, I don't think I've ever heard "tranny" used by anyone who *wasn't* themselves a cross-dresser, except by gear-heads talking about *transmission* replacements in their cars. [20:05] gry https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tranny also says so [20:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dictionary.cambridge.org | TRANNY | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary [20:06] Old_Man Most people just don't care how you care to dress, so if that's your hobby, use the word if you want. [20:06] MinceR looks like Merriam-Webster is about to be cancelled too :( [20:06] gry i don't mean to say i agree with censoring this word out, but at the very least it's not redefining words [20:07] Old_Man gry, the word mgj59 was trying to conduct "newspeak" revisionism to was not "tranny;" it was "transphobic." [20:07] gry that one i have no issues with, perhaps [20:07] MinceR are speakers of us english be forced into re-education camps and be forcibly switched to uk english too? [20:07] DaemonFC[m] Never! [20:07] MinceR s/be/going to &/ [20:08] mjg59 The use of a slur against trans people doesn't indicate transphobia? [20:08] DaemonFC[m] Except on WIkipedia. [20:08] DaemonFC[m] No. It doesn't make you afraid of them. [20:08] Old_Man mjg59, I advised you to consult with the speaker to determine that. When you did so, what did the speaker say? [20:08] mjg59 DaemonFC[m]: Is photophobia a fear of light? [20:10] Old_Man Hello? mjg59? When you contacted the writer of the phrase you considered "transphobic" to determine whether they truly meant it in a disparaging way, what did that person say? [20:11] Old_Man Gosh... looks like mjg59 got very quiet all of a sudden. That's good, because I find false accusations and being a lying piece of shit to be very offensive and hurtful behavior. [20:12] Old_Man I also find "newspeak" revisionism to be very offensive and hurtful behavior. [20:12] mjg59 Old_Man: You argued I was trying to redefine transphobia. I clearly believe that the word was used as a slur. If we take that assumption, how is it not transphobic? [20:12] gry Old_Man: what use is there in labeling people like that? [20:12] gry Old_Man: perhaps you have something more constructive to do? [20:12] Old_Man We don't take that assumption, because "we" are not a bunch of hate-screaming, false-accusing bigots. That's only you, not "we." [20:13] mjg59 Old_Man: Right, but in that case I'm still not redefining transphobia, I'm just mistaken about it [20:14] Old_Man Oh no; you have a long reputation of attempting to redefine words out of bad faith and hate-screaming bigotry. So every time you attempt it, you *cannot* be given the benefit of the doubt, nor can your "good faith" be assumed. You know, as you have for many weeks now, that all such attempts in which you contradict the clear definitions given in the dictionary are bad-faith and maliciousness on your [20:14] mjg59 If I'm correct in my assumption that it's a slur, then does it meet the definition of transphobia? [20:14] Old_Man part. [20:14] gry MinceR: are you from the US? [20:14] Old_Man So, the discussion ends when you are caught making such bigoted false accusations, until such time as you have apologized for making your bad-faith assumptions and malicious false accusations. [20:15] gry MinceR: or that US people being referred to UK dictionaries question was just for this conversation, but not related to yourselves [20:15] gry DaemonFC[m]: are you editing wikipedia from time to time? [20:16] CrystalMath Old_Man: the transphobic thing would be that this person denies that a trans woman is a woman, i think [20:16] CrystalMath in the post referred to by mjg59 [20:16] Old_Man In a parallel universe, there is a more intelligent version of mgj59 who intelligently wrote, "you're right; sorry. I should not have held the phoronix forum website responsible for speech which I had no way of knowing whether it was transphobic or not." [20:16] DaemonFC[m] Yes. [20:17] mjg59 CrystalMath: I don't know that there's any indication that the woman in question is trans other than the poster's assertion [20:18] Old_Man CrystalMath, those people are clearly stupid for *caring* whether an executive has one sex or another, but that isn't what the term "transphobic" means. [20:18] cybrNaut merriam-webster.com is a poor source. It blocks Tor, and it's US-centric [20:19] CrystalMath mjg59: yeah i don't think Lisa Su is trans, but to me the transphobic thing about the post is that the poster asserts that if that were the case, then Lisa Su would not be a woman somehow [20:19] CrystalMath so i do agree that this particular post is transphobic [20:20] CrystalMath on the other hand, simply using a particular word does not have to be transphobic by itself [20:20] Old_Man That's not what the word "transphobic" means, either. [20:21] Old_Man Really, it is not that hard to look it up, to make sure you're not going all "1984 antagonist" :D [20:21] Old_Man We have the internet nowadays, to make these determinations easier. :D [20:21] Old_Man In case you had not noticed. :D [20:22] CrystalMath "Transphobia is a collection of ideas and phenomena that encompass a range of negative attitudes, feelings or actions towards transgender people or transness in general." [20:23] Old_Man Wrong. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transphobia says it is specifically irrational fear, aversion, or discrimination. [20:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Transphobia | Definition of Transphobia by Merriam-Webster [20:24] CrystalMath Old_Man: i cited wikipedia [20:25] CrystalMath so we have conflicting entries in different dictionaries [20:25] Old_Man No you didn't. You didn't cite anywhere. :) But now that you have done so, we should point out that that's the reason why wikipedia's credibility has dropped so far on politicized issues. [20:25] Old_Man Because it lends itself to the exact Orwellian manipulation that bad people, like offensive bigot mgj59, engage in. [20:26] mjg59 Old_Man: Perhaps you should read the definition of discrimination? [20:27] gry i'd suggest to not name call [20:27] gry it doesn't help anything [20:27] gry i'd even suggest mjg59 to retreat for now and wait for a moment when Old_Man is able to lead a civil discussion [20:27] Old_Man gry, good idea. Let's see if we can get anyone to apologize for name-calling "transphobic" before verifying their intention. [20:27] gry name calling has a target clearly said in the text, which this one doesn't [20:28] Old_Man Yes, that's also a good idea. Halting the false accusations and redefinition of terms for... what shall we say? Ten years? Maybe 20? [20:28] gry you can have it [20:28] cybrNaut Old_Man> I am offended and hurt by people who attempt to make words into "slurs" before consulting with the person who spoke it, to determine whether they intended it to be one. <= that's not how it works. A word /becomes/ a slur if it's commonly used in a condescending way. It's status as a slur doesn't change on-the-fly case-by-case based on how or who uses it (the N word is an exception). [20:28] Old_Man Hahahaha... "that's not how it works," except for when you declare it an exception? :D [20:28] Old_Man That's funny. [20:29] gry CrystalMath: hi [20:29] CrystalMath hi gry [20:29] gry CrystalMath: how are you? [20:29] CrystalMath i'm okay, you? [20:29] CrystalMath cybrNaut: i think that sucks, it's not the words themselves we should look at, but the context behind them [20:29] gry CrystalMath: how are you [20:29] cybrNaut e.g. "brits" is not a slur. But if Brits go to war and their enemy calls them "Brits" in a condescending way, it becomes a slur thereafter. [20:29] gry CrystalMath: sorry, mis tabbed [20:30] gry CrystalMath: i just woke up, doing a few coding tasks [20:30] cybrNaut If someone naively uses a slur accidentally, it's still a slur and they should be corrected [20:30] CrystalMath cybrNaut: tbh i think that's dumb and it's dumbing down our communication; we should look at the intention and not the word [20:31] cybrNaut CrystalMath: i didn't write these rules and conventions [20:31] cybrNaut it's how it is [20:31] CrystalMath cybrNaut: screw the rules and conventions! [20:31] CrystalMath fight the power [20:31] cybrNaut if a word becomes a slur, stop using it [20:31] CrystalMath no! [20:31] CrystalMath be a rebel! [20:33] CrystalMath that said, the referenced post is still transphobic in its intention [20:33] CrystalMath i will agree that most people who use these so-called "slurs" often do have bad intentions in mind [20:33] cybrNaut Old_Man> Hahahaha... "that's not how it works," except for when you declare it an exception? :D <= the N word is an atypical case. You could say it's always a slur, but it's tolerated in many circumstances where it actually liberates the oppressed [20:34] Old_Man No it isn't. I've heard transvestites use "tranny" in exactly the same way. [20:34] Old_Man I would go so far as to say you're completely backwards wrong on that, and that almost *every* slur is *only* a slur because of intention. [20:35] cybrNaut nonesense [20:35] cybrNaut intent is subjective [20:35] Old_Man I'm sure if I were wrong, you'd have elucidated an intelligent argument otherwords, rather than just saying "nonsense." [20:35] Old_Man But you didn't, so I'm not wrong. [20:35] CrystalMath Old_Man: sadly one of my friends was actually k-lined from freenode for using the word "tranny" despite not having a bad intention; and i know him, he tends to change his mind on the thing, but generally does not have any LGBT-phobia i believe [20:36] Old_Man I think it's probable the k-liner just couldn't survive in a setting that abided by the Chicago Statement of Principles, so fell back on the totalitarian methods as described in Orwell's "1984." [20:37] Old_Man I'm quite adept at refuting *actual* bigots and racists and sexists, so if you encounter any, you don't need to beg some totalitarian powermonger to resolve the issue: just bring them to me. :) [20:38] Old_Man It's as I quoted earlier: "Our world is not divided by race, color, gender, or religion. Our world is divided into wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender, or religion." -Mohamad Safa [20:38] CrystalMath my friend was k-lined 3 times in total, and the other 2 times made sense, the first was him verbally abusing an ircop on purpose for some reason, and the second was related to his actual sexism problem [20:39] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [20:39] cybrNaut Trump's world is divided by "race, color, gender, or religion." Division is a result of someones perception and actions. Anyone can divide. [20:39] Old_Man Well ircops on freenode do tend to be highly insecure and suffering from a desire from self-aggrandizement, as the role itself is kind of like being a beat cop: it attracts people who suffer from such insecurity. [20:41] gry i suspect you might have an interest in running an irc channel your way and show to others your principles there [20:41] Old_Man Oh YeAh BaBy! Trump-hatred-citing! When you see Trump's name brought up in a conversation that has absolutely zero to do with him, you know you're looking at someone who is attempting to participate in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Minutes_Hate [20:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Two Minutes Hate - Wikipedia [20:41] gry what do you think? [20:42] Old_Man Show us how you scream and throw things at the telescreen :D [20:42] CrystalMath i rolled my eyes at the mention of Trump as well, but other than that it would sound like cybrNaut is agreeing with you, or am i getting this wrong? [20:42] gry CrystalMath: i think he's a bit deaf [20:42] gry CrystalMath: either that, or slow [20:44] MinceR gry: i am from hungary, unfortunately [20:44] CrystalMath also note that i say that my friend has a sexism *problem*, i do regard it as a disease, it harmed him more than anyone else in his life, and there are circumstances that may have caused it [20:44] Old_Man "Disease" doesn't mean, "anything that harms you," though. [20:45] cybrNaut CrystalMath: Old_Man believes there are no divisions based on "race, color, gender, or religion." I'm saying quite the opposite. Trump is a clear example. Under Trump, we are divided. But not just Trump.. anyone can divide [20:45] Old_Man Don't forget, we're coming off four years of people screaming false accusations against Trump, too. [20:45] CrystalMath cybrNaut: yes but Old_Man said that fools divide and are divided, and i imagine you consider Trump and his supporters to be fools, IIRC [20:46] Old_Man Now, I hate to defend him, as I think he *is* an idiot, but most of the accusations of racism and homophobia I've seen against him were just plain false. [20:46] cybrNaut I can put a website on CloudFlare, and suddenly there is division: denied Tor users and served non-tor users. Anyone can create division of any kind [20:46] Old_Man Yes, Trump and many of his supporters are fools. But that doesn't mean that accusations of racism or homophobia are correct. [20:46] Old_Man The hate-screamers still need to provide evidence, and they usually didn't do that. [20:47] CrystalMath Old_Man: indeed... for a fool, he has made very few racist remarks [20:47] cybrNaut it's absurdly ignorant to say the contrary.. that no one causes division by "race, color, gender, or religion." [20:47] mjg59 He had to settle a lawsuit for racist discrimination in property rental [20:47] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [20:47] Old_Man Trump was, for example, the very first person in the history of the entire universe to be elected a President of the United States while supporting marriage equality for homosexuals. [20:49] CrystalMath what about Obama's second term? [20:49] CrystalMath didn't he support it the second time around? [20:49] Old_Man I don't remember when Obama made his stupid "evolving" comment, but he was too scared to run for his first term while sticking up for equal treatment under the law for homosexuals, the way Trump did. [20:50] CrystalMath right, i remember he couldn't care less in 2008 [20:50] CrystalMath but probably very few politicians did [20:51] Old_Man It isn't that he didn't care; it's that he knew Democrats were every bit as bigoted in 2008 as the Republicans were. [20:51] Old_Man And they both still are; just they've shifted whom they believe it's okay to hate today. [20:51] gry MinceR: how is the pandemic in hungary? [20:52] gry MinceR: do many people there speak russian or it is rather uncommon? what second language is learned at schools? [20:52] MinceR gry: it is hard to know since the government impedes testing ("testing can't stop the pandemic") and lies about the numbers, but what we do know is pretty horrifying [20:52] gry interesting [20:52] cybrNaut CrystalMath> didn't he support it the second time around? <= yes, he got critisized for flipping on that, but IMO he was always tolerant of it but the public was not [20:52] gry so do they want people to stay home or something, MinceR? [20:53] gry what do they think will help to stop? [20:53] MinceR the government's alleged measures to fight the pandemic are either worthless or counter-productive, but certainly harmful to people [20:53] MinceR and especially harmful to people and groups the government is trying to destroy (e.g. local governments where the opposition won the election) [20:53] cybrNaut just like Lincoln & slavery.. he wanted to shut down the KKK, but the public hadn't evolved to that level yet [20:53] MinceR and they're about to add further restrictions soon, which will probably be catastrophical [20:54] MinceR they're trying to trick people into taking untested, uninspected alleged vaccines with no quality control that we know of [20:54] MinceR in an effort to suck up to xi jinping and putin [20:54] MinceR i don't think they really care if people stay home or not, they just want to pose as our heroic defenders while they abuse the hell out of the situation [20:55] CrystalMath MinceR: also they tried to ban the existence of trans people [20:55] MinceR they've given corporations owned by orban's front man and friends as "aid" [20:55] cybrNaut Obama overturned don't-ask-don't-tell iirc [20:55] CrystalMath well, they did revoke all legal recognition [20:55] MinceR s/as/handouts &/ [20:56] MinceR they've changed the laws abusing the situation also [20:56] cybrNaut Obama endorsed gay marriage too => https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=ixhvEwQQO3w&local=true&quality=medium [20:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.fdn.fr | 'Gay Marriage ruling is a victory for America' Barack Obama - BBC News - Invidious [20:59] cybrNaut If Trump were to attempt to hinder gay marriage, he would be *regressing*. The courage lies with making that change, not inertia of the status quo [20:59] CrystalMath Trump still gets the badge for second president of the united states to be elected while supporting gay marriage, and the first republican to do so ● Mar 04 [21:00] CrystalMath i guess it is a significant improvement for republicans [21:01] cybrNaut Trump simply didn't reverse that policy.. which would have escellated his bigotry perhaps to an unsustainable level. His xenophobia, Islamaphobia, white supremecy had his priority [21:03] Old_Man Those were all just false accusations, though. [21:03] Old_Man Everybody who says those things is just practicing Orwell's "Two Minutes Hate." [21:03] CrystalMath well he did want to build a wall... [21:04] MinceR he seems to have many followers who are practicing "Two Minutes Hate", then [21:04] Old_Man Like the immigration ban that NPR kept falsely calling, a "Muslim ban." It didn't ban Indonesia, where the largest number of Muslims come from; nor Pakistan, nor India, nor Saudi Arabia. It very simply WAS NOT a Muslim ban. [21:04] CrystalMath cybrNaut: but then again, he was pictured holding an LGBT flag, and republicans nominated him and voted him in [21:04] Old_Man The wall was for keeping out the *criminals* from Mexico. Those who accused him of saying "all Mexicans are rapists" were WRONG. They were just lying, in their Two Minutes Hate. [21:04] CrystalMath cybrNaut: that's got to be a sign of improvement among republicans regarding LGBT tolerance [21:05] mjg59 Old_Man: He didn't say a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."? [21:05] Old_Man mjg59: of course not. That was made up by fucking liars. [21:05] Old_Man And is only repeated today by... fucking liars. [21:05] cybrNaut nonesense. xenophobia (plainly evident in his border policy that all xenophobes praise), Islamaphobia (proven by Trump's travel bans), white supremecy (scandals with his properties, criticism of BLM, inability to condemn Proud Boys, the Confederate flag-toting Capitol rioters that he summoned) [21:05] Old_Man It was a blatant misquotation for the purpose of spreading hate. [21:06] CrystalMath cybrNaut: maybe he criticized those who looted under the guise of BLM instead [21:06] mjg59 Old_Man: So what was the correct quote? [21:06] Old_Man And his comment about the North Carolina demonstrations, where he said "there are good people on both sides?" The Two Minutes Hate critics said he was saying that about white supremacists. But he was not. That was his critics being... fucking liars, again. [21:07] CrystalMath cybrNaut: i find the argument that he's a white supremacist to be weak, but xenophobic and islamophobic does make sense given what we've seen [21:07] Old_Man The "good people on both sides" comment was about the *statue debate*, and he explicitly condemned white supremacists in the very next paragraph of the transcript. [21:07] Old_Man But fucking liars, like mjg59, continue to misquote him and they continue to destroy their own credibility, even while they CONTRIBUTE TO the credibility of Trump and his supporters! [21:07] cybrNaut https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-37230916 [21:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Drug dealers, criminals, rapists': What Trump thinks of Mexicans - BBC News [21:08] Old_Man I really wish mjg59 and his fellow liars would stop that... Trump is an idiot. Stop building up his credibility by lying about him all the time. [21:08] mjg59 Old_Man: Someone should really have told his campaign: http://web.archive.org/web/20160101173339/https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration [21:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration | Donald J Trump for President [21:10] CrystalMath believing that foreigners are the cause of your problems is definitely kinda xenophobic [21:10] mjg59 Old_Man: Would you like to apologise for calling me a liar? [21:10] Old_Man I'm sorry; what did you say that was true, again? [21:11] mjg59 That Trump said he was calling for ""a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on." [21:12] Old_Man And the link you posted attributed that to his campaign. Would you like to find a transcript? I'm having a hard time finding it at the moment. [21:12] CrystalMath yeah i didn't want to comment on that one, it definitely sounds like him and does expose a xenophobic mindset; though i still don't think he's also a white supremacist [21:13] mjg59 Old_Man: He read the statement at a rally that night [21:13] CrystalMath it's on the page [21:14] Old_Man Yeah, help me find the transcript of that speech. [21:14] CrystalMath "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." [21:16] CrystalMath i also know that Trump was super big on israel, so i'm not surprised... it's quite possible he was pressured into this by Sheldon Adelson [21:16] Old_Man This one says it *was* there, but got scrubbed: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/muslim-ban-language-scrubbed-from-trump-campaign-website [21:16] mjg59 Old_Man: 30:33 in https://www.c-span.org/video/?401762-1/presidential-candidate-donald-trump-rally-mount-pleasant-south-carolina [21:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com | 'Muslim ban' language scrubbed from Trump campaign website | Fox News [21:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Presidential Candidate Donald Trump Rally in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina | C-SPAN.org [21:16] CrystalMath Old_Man: yeah it's possible that it was just put there by the PR guy who was pretty bad at his job [21:16] CrystalMath i wonder who it was [21:17] Old_Man So, I would have to apologize, if I were conversing with someone who had apologized for saying that I didn't know what "evidence" was, when I had stated my explicit agreement with the dictionary definition. [21:17] CrystalMath i read "Gage Skidmore" but that's a photographer [21:17] Old_Man But, let's just say that when Trump said "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States," what he *meant* was that he supported the serving of corned beef and sourkraut on rye. [21:17] Old_Man After all, that's how the redefinition of terms to make accusations works, right? [21:18] mjg59 Cool, so Trump said that [21:18] CrystalMath did he? or was it his campaign manager? [21:18] mjg59 CrystalMath: The words came out of his mouth [21:19] CrystalMath Mr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of [21:19] CrystalMath reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trump [21:19] CrystalMath this is what the page quotes Trump on, while the line above isn't a direct quote [21:19] mjg59 CrystalMath: Watch the video I just linked to [21:19] mjg59 It's at 30:33 [21:19] CrystalMath okay let's see [21:20] CrystalMath hmm, very high quality, it will take a long time to download [21:20] CrystalMath let me see if there's multiple versions [21:20] CrystalMath ah, there are [21:20] CrystalMath trying -f hls-118 [21:21] CrystalMath (i use youtube-dl) [21:21] CrystalMath okay this will work [21:21] CrystalMath i have about 100 KB/s [21:23] Old_Man Okay, I got it. He did say it; he read it aloud. [21:23] Old_Man It was written in the third person, but he read it himself. [21:24] cybrNaut The literal interpretation of Trump's dog-whisle-laced weasel words is less interesting than the effect the words have. Xenophobes love Trump. White supremecists love Trump. Islamaphobes love Trump. Trump is vile to BLM advocates, pro-equal rights proponents, and poverty opponents (income equality advocates). [21:24] Old_Man Shame that we have to jump through so many hoops, because the person saying it has established such a reputation for being an outright fucking liar. [21:25] CrystalMath yep, heard it [21:25] Old_Man cybrNaut, but as you can see, most of the accusations made are just plain wrong. [21:25] CrystalMath it did sound like him :P [21:26] Old_Man He *did not* say all Mexicans are rapists, for example. He *did not* say he had ever "grabbed women by the pussy," for example. [21:26] Old_Man He *did not* say there are "good people on both sides" about white supremacists, for example. [21:26] cybrNaut Trump praised other white supremecists and xenophobes (Stephen Miller, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones) [21:26] Old_Man He *did not* tell anyone to drink bleach for COVID-19. [21:26] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:26] CrystalMath what makes Alex Jones a white supremacist? [21:27] CrystalMath of the 3 i've only also heard of Rush Limbaugh, but i know he's some idiot from Bush's time [21:27] Old_Man Those are false accusations as well. [21:27] CrystalMath i think Alex Jones legitimately tries to be an alternative journalist, but his behavior just makes him look crazy [21:28] MinceR yeah, he suggested that bleach be _injected_ against COVID-19 [21:28] CrystalMath idk, maybe that's some publicity stunt [21:28] MinceR which is far more reasonable. [21:28] Old_Man MinceR: no, he certainly did not. That's a false accusation too. [21:28] Old_Man Go look at the transcript again. [21:28] CrystalMath he asked if they could use bleach in the body to kill SARS-CoV-2 [21:28] CrystalMath it was a question [21:29] cybrNaut https://activism.openworlds.info/media/48reuath3J78rX1FRWI <= find rush limbaugh [21:29] Old_Man That was just a false accusation that was recited over and over again by hate-screaming bigots practicing their "Two Minutes Hate" brainwashing, as depicted in George Orwell's famous dystopian novel, "1984." [21:29] Old_Man I seem to recall he said, "SOMETHING LIKE." Like, he wanted to see that kind of action in an injectable treatment. [21:29] CrystalMath he also asked about UV light [21:29] CrystalMath that one is actually not a dumb question [21:29] CrystalMath as UV light has been tested for this purpose [21:30] MinceR he sounds like someone who knows jack shit about medicine throwing shit at the wall in a failed attempt to sound smart [21:30] Old_Man Yeah, *can* we treat COVID-19 with ***SOMETHING LIKE*** a disinfectant action? [21:30] CrystalMath MinceR: it was still a question [21:30] Old_Man Right. He's an idiot. But not so big an idiot to suggest drinking bleach or injecting it. [21:30] MinceR and then his supporters scramble to make him look less like an idiot [21:30] CrystalMath can we nuke the hurricane? [21:30] Old_Man And his opponents scramble to make him look like an idiot by blatantly fucking lying about what he said. [21:30] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [21:30] Old_Man To include Biden, who is the one who falsely claimed Trump said to drink bleach. [21:31] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:31] Old_Man He's already an idiot, people. If you have to lie to criticize him, then you just make him look smarter. [21:31] CrystalMath MinceR: really, Trump was pretty quiet when he asked that question, it did not sound like's trying to be authoritative on medicine [21:31] MinceR he did say something vague about injecting something [21:31] CrystalMath he unambiguously sounded like an idiot [21:32] MinceR but i guess the moral of the story is that if you're planning to lie, phrase it as a question. [21:32] Old_Man Yes, what he said was a *question* though. [21:32] CrystalMath and he was almost stuttering [21:32] Old_Man And he really did say "***SOMETHING LIKE****" [21:32] cybrNaut "i think Alex Jones legitimately tries to be an alternative journalist" <= you're a few documentaries short of having a clue. After he accused parents Sandy Hooks shootings of staging their child's deaths, his lawyer told the court he's an "actor" making a work of fiction [21:32] CrystalMath Old_Man: yeah, it sounded like desperation [21:32] MinceR and why did he ask these _questions_ standing at a pulpit, from someone apparently sitting next to that pulpit? [21:33] CrystalMath like for example, during a financial crisis, if someone said "huh, could be maybe do something like copy & paste on the money?" [21:33] MinceR cybrNaut: maybe being an "alternative journalist" depends on having "alternative facts" [21:33] CrystalMath *could we [21:33] Old_Man CrystalMath: and in that case, the answer is "yes;" that is indeed what they do. Is "something like" copoy-and-paste the money. [21:34] Old_Man So, that's malicious against savers, but it isn't wrong. [21:34] CrystalMath well technically bleach WILL kill COVID-19 if injected into the body [21:34] CrystalMath the host will not survive, though [21:34] CrystalMath but the virus will die, after the host dies, from lack of material [21:35] CrystalMath it's only a matter of time [21:35] cybrNaut MinceR: "alternative facts" is still a bit generous.. implies that those conpsiracy theories fell in his lap, as opposed to being entirely frabricated from thin air [21:35] MinceR cybrNaut: of course it's generous, it's their term :> [21:35] MinceR (not jones', but "republicans"') [21:35] CrystalMath cybrNaut: so he's a fake? [21:36] CrystalMath that's kinda cool then, actually; he does a good job at acting [21:36] cybrNaut CrystalMath: absolutely. You really need to see some of the NPR documentaries on him. [21:36] Old_Man Alex Jones is almost as bad as NPR at just making shit up. [21:37] Old_Man Wait... NPR covered Alex Jones? :D [21:37] Old_Man What a clusterfuck that must be! :D [21:37] MinceR well, iirc when he got sued, he or his lawyer claimed he was just playing a character [21:37] cybrNaut Alex Jones started off like Rush, but was forced to gradually become more and more looney to get more interest. [21:37] Old_Man Alex Jones let Roger Ver shill for his namespace-collision-attack cryptocurrency. [21:37] CrystalMath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8 [21:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gay Frogs (Alex Jones REMIX) - YouTube [21:38] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPs3EeRyL9Y [21:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alex Jones DMT Remix - YouTube [21:38] cybrNaut Alex Jones was competing with *himself*. Each conspiracy Theory had to be more wild than the previous one in order to keep the nutters glued to his shows [21:38] Old_Man Yeah, that's pretty much exactly the same as NPR. [21:38] cybrNaut he's completely unhinged [21:39] cybrNaut not at all like NPR, which is boring, dry, bland, news [21:40] mjg59 Old_Man: So you wouldn't describe irrational discrimination against muslims to be islamophobic? [21:43] cybrNaut Alex Jones is so looney tunes bonkers as to say Hillary Clinton was running a pedo sex ring in the basement of a pizza parlor. One of his nutty listeners believed him, took a road trip to New York to visit the pizza shop, and busted in shooting, only to find that the place didn't even have a basement [21:44] cybrNaut Alex Jones was then forced to admit that his facts were a bit dodgy [21:45] cybrNaut that's when his lawyer said he's an actor and free speech allows him to produce a fictional work [21:45] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kAEoCHANYY [21:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Goblins (Alex Jones REMIX) - YouTube [21:45] Old_Man mjg59: of course I would, where your use of the word "islamophobic" means, "mjg59 likes to touch children in the places their swimsuits cover." [21:46] mjg59 Wold you consider it to meet the defintion provided by Merriam-Webster? [21:46] Old_Man Oh, do you care about that now? :D [21:47] MinceR https://reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/popcorn_stephen_colbert.gif [21:48] CrystalMath cybrNaut: i really wondered where that basement idea came from, so it was Alex Jones? [21:48] cybrNaut yes [21:48] *CrystalMath doesn't really watch Alex Jones except for the funny bits [21:50] gry MinceR: has your local area decided to stay home just for the sake of their own safety? [21:50] gry MinceR: they can just do the sensible thing even if the government doesn't call for it, you know [21:51] MinceR i certainly have, i'm not sure about my neighbors [21:51] mjg59 Old_Man: You apparently do [21:51] Old_Man Very well; I'll be happy to have that conversation with anyone else who does, as well. [21:51] gry MinceR: you see it is double sided stick, on one side staying home would help heaps, on the other side I think it is just an exaggerated over-measured flu and the alarms are misplaced and designed to kill small business [21:52] MinceR i don't know about that, but i'd rather not take chances, especially on behalf of my mother [21:52] Old_Man But, you know, since you explicitly lied about my citation of Merriam-Webster definition 1 a of "evidence," you'll probably need to regain some credibility before anybody will care about your accusations. [21:52] gry MinceR: I would take it as opportunity to run a local ircd in your house if you have a static ip, and get your neighbours to join that [21:52] MinceR also, i'm pretty sure it's not a "flu" [21:52] MinceR "flu" is caused by influenzavirus, COVID-19 is caused by coronavirus [21:52] gry MinceR: as an opportunity to bring people onto something else than facebook etc [21:52] CrystalMath yeah, it's a cold instead [21:52] MinceR my neighbors are way too stupid to be able to use ircd [21:53] CrystalMath but in some people it develops into SARS [21:53] MinceR CrystalMath: isn't SARS "just a cold"? [21:53] mjg59 My position: Trump announced a plan to engage in irrational discrimination against muslims. When inaugerated, he quickly passed an executive order that multiple courts agreed was discriminatory against muslims. It's legitimate to describe him as islamophobic. [21:53] gry MinceR: then host a webchat, or find some other communication protocol that would be more suitable [21:53] CrystalMath no SARS is not a virus, it's a syndrome [21:54] Old_Man mjg59: did he state any evidence to support his stance against muslim immigration? [21:54] MinceR gry: one of them prefers to "communicate" via drill or angle grinder or hammer [21:54] cybrNaut CrystalMath: Alex Jones had a large captive audience of right-wing nut jobs, which Trump highly prized. Trump appeared on his show, so Trump benefited from that platform [21:54] MinceR i wonder how they manage to fit more holes in their apartment at this point [21:54] gry hmm [21:54] MinceR maybe they also make concrete in their home so they have something to drill. [21:54] CrystalMath lol [21:54] CrystalMath i can imagine neighbors just [21:54] CrystalMath buying concrete slabs [21:55] CrystalMath and then drilling them [21:55] gry at least they're not a fireman, as thatd have them light fires in each part of their environment just to have something to extinguish [21:55] gry thats a plus [21:55] MinceR ah yes, home office for firemen [21:56] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:56] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:56] mjg59 Old_Man: The only evidence provided was a set of poll numbers from an organisation run by one of the "Obama is muslim" conspiracy theorists. [21:56] Old_Man Which organization was that? [21:56] mjg59 The Center for Security Policy [21:57] Old_Man WRONG. He also cited the Pew research poll. [21:57] cybrNaut mjg59: and don't forget that middle name right-wingers like to use (Hussein) [21:57] Old_Man That's two more sources than you give for any of your opinions. :D [21:57] Old_Man So if he's actually looking at the polling data, then that's not "irrational." I don't *agree* with his policy decision, but no, that doesn't support "your position" as you gave it above. [21:57] mjg59 Old_Man: He referenced Pew, but did not actually provide any of their data [21:58] cybrNaut surely anyone with middle name Hussein must be muslim :) [21:58] Old_Man I think we should subject all Muslim immigrants, and all immigrants, with the kind of qualitative interviews Quebec does for their refugee applicants. [21:59] Old_Man Quebec tries to preserve their "unique culture" and limits refugee status to those who don't threaten it. But that means individual, one-on-one decision-making, where Trump supporters and haters alike try to make one-size-fits-everybody policies. [21:59] cybrNaut that's been tried. A middle eastern student was refused entry into the US because one of his Facebook friends said something anti-american ● Mar 04 [22:00] cybrNaut The student was accepted into Stanford [22:00] cybrNaut but blocked [22:00] Old_Man So I lump them all into the same boat together: the people screaming hatred about Trump, and making up false accusations and redefining terms in Orwellian totalitarianism, all suffer from the same kind of idiocy. [22:01] Old_Man Err, I meant to include "and Trump himself, and his supporters" [22:02] cybrNaut oops, guess it was Harvard => https://www.techspot.com/news/81644-harvard-student-denied-entry-us-over-friends-social.html [22:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techspot.com | Harvard student was denied entry in the US over friends' social media activity [22:03] cybrNaut he was deported because of what a friend said [22:03] Old_Man Is that the kind of qualitative interview process to which Quebec subjects its refugees? [22:03] cybrNaut it's a Trump-era interview process [22:03] Old_Man So, no, it hasn't been tried yet? [22:03] MinceR does Quebec settle for snooping after people's friends on faecesbook too? [22:03] cybrNaut ...where they just get enough info to do poorly [22:04] Old_Man I'm not wholly opposed to blocking visas because of participation with America-hatred on social media; it shows they're not intelligent enough to use encrypted social media. :D [22:05] MinceR not all jobs need intelligent people though :> [22:05] cybrNaut Old_Man: getting more info doesn't help the problem of making poor decisions with the info you have-- it *worsens* it [22:05] Old_Man In that case it was probably just stupidity, but there are thousands more people standing in line behind that one person, so playing a bit "stupid" on the admissions process is acceptable. [22:05] cybrNaut give CBP more data, and they can react poorly in more situations [22:08] Old_Man cybrNaut, yeah, they should focus on the kind of information that matters. But that takes time and effort, and if people are just going to lie about your motivations anyway, and make up false accusations, why bother to expend the effort to do it right? [22:08] cybrNaut Quebec tries to preserve their "unique culture" <= that means maintain a homogeneos mono culture to American CBP [22:08] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:08] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:08] Old_Man No, in practice, it usually means they have to speak french already. [22:09] Old_Man Which, of course, has nothing in common with American immigration policy. [22:09] cybrNaut bad idea [22:09] cybrNaut it's xenophobic to impose language on people [22:10] Old_Man No it isn't. It's quite rational. [22:10] *Digit has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:10] cybrNaut the US does not have an official language, which is one thing the US can be proud of while it lasts [22:10] Old_Man And it's not "imposing" a language on people; they're still free to *not* speak french somewhere else. [22:10] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [22:10] cybrNaut it's imposing b/c you are forcing a language [22:11] Old_Man No they're not. [22:11] cybrNaut of course they would be [22:11] Old_Man Refugee applicants are still free to *not* speak french somewhere else. [22:11] MinceR what happens when they need to communicate with government officials and/or authorities? [22:11] MinceR are those all required to understand all languages used on Earth? [22:11] Old_Man Jesus, that's like trying to take over a Python mailing list and insisting that, because you can't talk about Perl, there, they're "xenophobic." [22:12] cybrNaut can someone pass your language test if they don't speak Engish? no? then you're imposing [22:12] Old_Man That's not what the word "xenophobic" means. [22:12] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [22:12] cybrNaut @MinceR> what happens when they need to communicate with government officials and/or authorities? <= in the US, there is no restriction. The IRS provides tax forms in many languages [22:13] Old_Man But failing to do so is not "xenophobic." [22:13] Old_Man That's not what the word "xenophobic" means. [22:13] MinceR cybrNaut: but not all languages [22:13] MinceR does this mean a set of languages is, after all, "forced" on immigrants to the USA? [22:13] Old_Man And those kinds of false accusations are what build up Trump's credibility., [22:13] cybrNaut MinceR: of course there's a practical matter: if the gov office doesn't support your language, you won't get service unless you get a translator, and that's fair enough [22:14] Old_Man What year did Aesop commit his fable of "the boy who cried wolf" to history? [22:14] MinceR it might be a good idea to at least let those people know that if they immigrate into a given country without understanding any language widely used in there, they're going to run into problems :> [22:15] cybrNaut MinceR: there are regions in the US where languages like French and German are common. Tribal languages in some parts. And federally there is no official language [22:15] Old_Man Or, if you have a loooong long line of immigrants waiting to get in, move them to the back of the line 'til they learn the language. You can always let others in who *do* already speak the language. There's nothing irrational about that. [22:16] cybrNaut MinceR: i think ppl know what languages they'll be dealing with before they come [22:16] cybrNaut You can always let others in who *do* already speak the language. There's nothing irrational about that. <= you're advocating monoculture [22:17] Old_Man I also insist that they not be known murderers and rapists. "AdVoCaTiNg MoNoCuLtUrE!" [22:17] CrystalMath i dislike the extreme prevalence of english in the world, but i guess that's what countries are for [22:17] cybrNaut There's nothing irrational about tolerating different languages in a diverse 1st world country [22:17] CrystalMath i'm totally anti-globalist, btw, i think we should all live in tiny countries [22:18] CrystalMath and there should be like 10,000 countries [22:18] MinceR yes, with a size of 1 person [22:18] Old_Man cybrNaut, let me know how your campaign to convince Quebec to abandon their refugee policies work. [22:18] CrystalMath 10,000+ [22:18] CrystalMath the more the merrier [22:18] *Old_Man clinks beer glasses with MinceR on that one [22:18] CrystalMath yeah, what MinceR said would be ideal [22:18] CrystalMath but i just don't know if it's possible [22:18] cybrNaut Old_Man: let me know how your campaign to bring language protectionism to the US pans out [22:18] MinceR although if one was an anti-globalist, i guess this would imply no trade with anyone else [22:19] MinceR good thing i'm not an anti-globalist [22:19] CrystalMath huh? no [22:19] CrystalMath i'm against the formation of a global state [22:19] Old_Man cybrNaut, that's not my campaign. I pointed out that Quebec does it. [22:19] cybrNaut the US does not need a language war. It's petty enough to see other countries do it [22:19] cybrNaut Old_Man> cybrNaut, that's not my campaign. I pointed out that Quebec does it. <= you're advocating it [22:20] Old_Man cybrNaut, but I would choose different criteria. I would advocate that our immigration policy would use qualitative interviews, but for basic humanist ethics and entrepreneurial risk profile. [22:20] cybrNaut "entrepreneurial risk profile" <= IOW, brain drain, block the poor people [22:21] Old_Man Your failure is called the "straw man fallacy." You just put words into my mouth that I didn't say, because you're a fucking liar too. [22:21] Old_Man Is there anyone who shares your opinion who is *not* a fucking liar? [22:21] Old_Man And can I talk to them, instead of you? [22:21] cybrNaut this is where Europe is more socially responsible than the US. Europe opposes brain-draining immigration policies [22:22] Old_Man No, *not* "block the poor people," you lying piece of shit. [22:22] CrystalMath cybrNaut: ha! that's a good one [22:22] Old_Man Stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say. [22:22] CrystalMath cybrNaut: i live in a country from which people emmigrate to germany often, and i can tell you that's a lie [22:22] CrystalMath as for me, i don't care, i want to go to MEXICO :P [22:23] cybrNaut CrystalMath: you believe only highly skilled people get into Germany? [22:23] CrystalMath i KNOW only high skilled people get into germany [22:23] CrystalMath at least from my country [22:23] CrystalMath i'm probably a skilled person, having an M.Sc. [22:23] Old_Man I think the evidence from this channel is clear: those who sob and whine about "xenophobia" all seem to be 100% fucking liars. [22:23] CrystalMath but i couldn't care less about germany [22:24] CrystalMath i wouldn't go there if they threatened my life [22:24] CrystalMath nor anywhere in the EU [22:24] cybrNaut CrystalMath> but i couldn't care less about germany <= ok, but it's not about Germany. If Germany is brain-draining your country, it's bad for /your country/ [22:25] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:25] CrystalMath cybrNaut: yeah, i know, but i'm just clarifying that i don't want to go there [22:25] CrystalMath i want to go to Mexico instead [22:25] Old_Man That was the explicit philosophy of East Germany, once upon a time. [22:25] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:25] Old_Man What did they do to enforce their prohibition against "brain drain?" [22:25] cybrNaut the US has a reputation for brain draining.. grabbing everyone with high skill from 3rd worlds, which keeps them as 3rd worlds [22:26] Old_Man I forget. Can anyone refresh my memory, about what East Germany did to stop the "brain drain" to West Germany? [22:26] CrystalMath cybrNaut: the UK and the EU do the same, to a great extent [22:26] CrystalMath they're a bit more lax than the US in general, that's all [22:26] Old_Man Gosh, it was just sooooo long ago, I almost can't remember! What was East Germany's strategy to stop the "brain drain" to West Germany? [22:26] CrystalMath so yeah sometimes poor people can get through, but it's also easier for highly skiled people to get through [22:26] MinceR Old_Man: they built a monument to how shitty life was in the russian empire [22:27] CrystalMath in the US it's just very hard to go there [22:27] Old_Man MinceR: and what was that monument, exactly? [22:27] cybrNaut CrystalMath: the EU has controls against brain draining... but policy isn't always the end of the story.. maybe policy is being circumvented [22:27] MinceR that is, if you accept that slaves escaping is "brain drain" [22:27] MinceR Old_Man: one or two walls [22:27] Old_Man THEY BUILT A WALL! [22:27] MinceR so? [22:27] Old_Man Congratulations, cybrNaut, you have achieved the "unity" Biden was asking for. [22:28] Old_Man You are now united with Trump's vision for how to prevent the kind of immigration you don't want to see. [22:28] MinceR Old_Man: what is the significance of that wall? [22:28] CrystalMath yeah Trump did kinda redirect a lot of the brain drain towards the EU [22:28] CrystalMath away from the US [22:28] MinceR is the EU on the other side of trump's wall? [22:29] Old_Man East Germany's wall was to keep people in. :) [22:29] CrystalMath MinceR: yeah [22:29] cybrNaut Trump stated outright that he only wants immigrants that are highly skilled. [22:29] MinceR strange [22:29] Old_Man Walls to keep people out are generally more effective, because it implies the people inside those walls want to be there. [22:29] CrystalMath cybrNaut: but in reality he made it hard even for those [22:29] CrystalMath cybrNaut: while the EU didn't [22:29] MinceR yeah, the walls of the russian empire were supposed to keep people in and they were pretty heavily guarded [22:29] MinceR and a few people still got through [22:30] MinceR but at least it was an admission of the place being so bad you had to build a wall and guard it to keep the victims from running away [22:30] MinceR s/you/they/ [22:30] CrystalMath cybrNaut: oh, and don't forget canada, there's LOTS of brain drain to canada [22:31] Old_Man The nice thing about "brain drain" is that it's pretty Darwinian and organic in nature. [22:31] *schestowitz__ woke up to realise GoogleTroll(TM) turned a tech channel into one that defines trans people [22:31] MinceR :> [22:31] cybrNaut @MinceR> is the EU on the other side of trump's wall? <= even the US is.. Trump famously commented that Colorado's southern border is where the wall will run, putting New Mexico on the non-US side :D [22:31] MinceR lol [22:32] Old_Man Characteristics that drive "brain drain" are alterable. People can build skills, figure out for themselves if they want to solve problems in their current location or somewhere else. [22:32] cybrNaut and NM voted against him [22:32] CrystalMath NM should be returned to Mexico [22:33] CrystalMath as well as Alta California [22:33] cybrNaut Old_Man: it matters which side of the border those skills are developed. The US is better equipped to be the place where the skills are acquired [22:33] MinceR well, they can change that :> [22:33] CrystalMath yeah because we 3rd world people can totally pay for college there [22:34] CrystalMath really, i don't think it's good for the US to stop brain drain into the country [22:34] CrystalMath that drain is all they have [22:34] CrystalMath all the brains they have, i mean [22:34] Old_Man cybrNaut, don't you just craaaave the power to dictate that to people? [22:34] Old_Man Wouldn't it be *great* to tell people where they *have* to live and *have* to learn and *have* to exercise their entrepreneurial spirit? [22:35] cybrNaut CrystalMath> yeah because we 3rd world people can totally pay for college there <= Denmark is ideal, if you're an EU citizen, where school is gratis [22:35] Old_Man Wouldn't that kind of authority just give you an endorphine rush like no other? [22:36] cybrNaut the US hasn't figured out how to make higher education gratis for everyone yet [22:36] Old_Man Some of us have. Some of us have been working and contributing to open courseware for many years. [22:37] cybrNaut but there is gratis MIT OpenCoursewhere if you just want the knowledge w/out degree [22:37] *galactic (~galactic@ip68-8-236-3.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #techrights [22:37] gry did anyone mirror the mit ocw to another server? [22:37] Old_Man But the principles of open courseware for education, which are *not* being used as extensively in the US as they should be, *could* also be used in any other country too. [22:37] gry or it's just them hosting it? [22:38] Old_Man Turns out, education and self-improvement can happen anywhere, and need not be subject to the "brain drain" worries and power-grabs of despot powermongers like cybrNaut. [22:39] schestowitz__ brexit caused brain drain [22:39] schestowitz__ some people I know left [22:39] schestowitz__ and won't come back [22:40] schestowitz__ never heard of someone who came here BECAUSE of Brexit [22:40] schestowitz__ neither skilled or lesser skilled [22:40] Old_Man Did immigration requests go up or down? [22:40] schestowitz__ no net benefit to it [22:40] schestowitz__ Old_Man: remember this is for EU [22:41] schestowitz__ so it has no legal impact on anything else [22:41] schestowitz__ outflow (people leaving) is the bigger issue [22:41] psydroid in order to distract from real issues, so you have to give to him that he has succeeded in his mission beyond his wildest dreams at least for today [22:41] schestowitz__ yes, it's the objective [22:41] schestowitz__ ruin forums by interjecting stuff into them [22:41] cybrNaut Old_Man: interesting spin, when a brain-drain policy is actually the policy of tyrannical elitists [22:41] Old_Man But I'm asking about people immigrating *into* the UK. [22:42] schestowitz__ >"Ive killed at least two Mac conferences. [...] by injecting Microsoft content into the conference, the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this?" [22:42] schestowitz__ -Microsoft's chief evangelist [22:42] schestowitz__ Old_Man: no idea, but that says little about who wants to come in [22:43] schestowitz__ nations should strive to suck in talent, capital etc. [22:43] schestowitz__ even investors [22:43] schestowitz__ investment in uk collapsesd [22:43] Old_Man cybrNaut, my whole point is that "brain drain" is irrelevant because people can improve themselves, educate themselves, and solve their own problems no matter where they want to live. So *you* trying to control where people move just *because* people are skilled or educated *are* the "tyrannical elitist." [22:43] *psydroid would probably have moved to the UK if Brexit hadn't happened [22:44] cybrNaut Old_Man: the idea that someone who must work in a sweatshop 16 hrs/day can "improve themselves, educate themselves" is profoundly disconnected from reality. This is what elites tell themselves [22:46] cybrNaut living in perpetual poverty takes ~10 IQ off, automatically, as a consequence of the stressful circumstances [22:46] Old_Man And to what percentage of immigrants applying to immigrate to the US does that apply? [22:46] schestowitz__ psydroid: some wait for Scotland to leave UK [22:47] schestowitz__ and then join the EU [22:47] schestowitz__ then they can move their businesses to Scotland [22:48] psydroid I could live in Edinburgh, it's a nice city [22:48] schestowitz__ it is [22:49] schestowitz__ http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Edinburgh [22:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Edinburgh [22:49] *cybrNaut recalls an upper middle-class white collar right-wing American once saying: poor people are poor just because they don't invest their money wisely [22:49] cybrNaut it's comparable to victim blame [22:50] MinceR maybe they call their own inheritance an "investment" [22:50] cybrNaut lol, yeah [22:51] schestowitz__ it's a lie rich people tell themselves [22:51] schestowitz__ at least the sicker ones [22:51] schestowitz__ usually sick with obsessions over money [22:57] Old_Man I think cybrNaut is just making up stories thought, to fit a narrative that isn't actually true. He just *really badly* wants to tell people where they should live, and how they should study, and that they all work 16-hour days in sweatshops. :D [22:57] Old_Man We've seen a few too many indications of lust for power, like the totalitarians in "1984." ● Mar 04 [23:02] schestowitz__ most rich people, very rich people, were rich to begin with [23:02] schestowitz__ it's a cycle [23:03] Old_Man Good thing wealth is not a zero-sum proposition. People can be rich without negatively affecting anyone else. Which means, their wealth can be used to meet the biological needs of their loved ones, their grand children, wider circles as they see fit... [23:03] Old_Man And people who *aren't* rich can, simultaneously, work to create value for each other, and they don't even have to interact with "the rich" at all, if they don't want to. [23:04] MinceR most rich people don't like that method, though [23:04] Old_Man So, if we all work to meet our own biological needs, our family's and loved ones' biological needs, expand our circles of support as we see fit, then everyone's needs can be met, and wealth and security can be built for everyone, without having to drive everything through jealousy and theft. [23:05] Old_Man MinceR: oh, you know most rich people? I would say I only know a tiny percentage of them. [23:05] MinceR i can see the works of most rich people [23:05] cybrNaut Trumpers think their guy was good at business, but actually his parents gave him a large inheritance.. he's proven to be an elitist and not that good at business (stock picks did no better that the indexes). Self-made wealth is what they should have looked at, if business accumen is really their focus [23:05] MinceR the way they get their wealth and the way they use it against other people [23:05] Old_Man cybrNaut's breaking out his "Two Minutes Hate" again. :D [23:06] Old_Man Too bad he already demonstrated that, every time he talks about Trump, he's a fucking liar. [23:06] cybrNaut "People can be rich without negatively affecting anyone else." <= bullshit. Bezo's wealth accumulation equals an avg salary for millions of ppl [23:06] MinceR strange, i, too seem to remember twitler inheriting a lot [23:06] Old_Man MinceR, I definitely agree in cases like Bill Gates's, but that's such a tiny minority. [23:06] CrystalMath cybrNaut: what's negative about that? [23:06] MinceR i doubt it's a tiny minority [23:07] CrystalMath i mean, amazon is terrible, but you didn't really state why [23:07] MinceR seems more like every time this sort of thing is exposed it's the same old story [23:07] schestowitz__ cybrNaut: bill gates went bankrupt [23:07] schestowitz__ first company [23:07] schestowitz__ Microsoft was the second [23:07] schestowitz__ wasn't even his [23:07] schestowitz__ CO-founded [23:07] schestowitz__ and it took off because of bill's mom [23:07] schestowitz__ when the firm was struggling [23:07] cybrNaut CrystalMath> cybrNaut: what's negative about that? <= the pot of money is *finite*. If the $1 dollar bill isn't in one person's pocket, it's in someone elses [23:07] schestowitz__ so it would have failed without billionaires propping it up with connections and capital [23:08] schestowitz__ debunks the whole mythology around brilliance begets wealth [23:08] Old_Man cybrNaut, no, the pot of money is not finite. :D [23:08] Old_Man Nor is the capacity to meet each others' biological needs, either. [23:08] schestowitz__ money does not exist :-) [23:08] schestowitz__ it's a measure of purchasing power [23:08] schestowitz__ in a finite planet [23:08] Old_Man Money is just a representative token of value, and the US Dollar is being inflated like crazy at the moment. [23:09] Old_Man But the value that money was *supposed* to represent, is also not finite. People can always cooperate to meet each others' needs in mutually-beneficial ways. [23:09] cybrNaut CrystalMath> i mean, amazon is terrible, but you didn't really state why => https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm (rap_sheets/Amazon.md) [23:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm: Information and tools to facilitate ethical consumption of goods and services. - liberethos_paradigm - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea [23:10] MinceR until rich and powerful people manipulate the state to ban those mutually beneficial cooperations [23:11] Old_Man Yep, that's blatantly unethical, but guess what: it's unethical when poor people do it too. [23:11] MinceR poor people don't get to do it, though [23:12] Old_Man Sure they do. [23:12] Old_Man They can vote. [23:12] schestowitz__ "poor people" isn't a type of people [23:12] schestowitz__ it's a condition [23:12] Old_Man And they do. They vote for their governments to pick winners and losers in the economy all the time. [23:12] schestowitz__ caused by exploitation [23:12] MinceR and their vote usually has no effect [23:12] schestowitz__ in nations of feudalism many are poor [23:12] schestowitz__ just by the nature of the system [23:12] Old_Man Nah, poverty isn't even caused by exploitation. It's just the natural order of things: it's how Mother Nature makes us. It's how we're born. [23:12] schestowitz__ poverty is not a choice [23:12] CrystalMath cybrNaut: i absolutely disagree that the pot of money is finite, what on earth gave you that idea? [23:12] MinceR it has no effect in one-party systems and it tends to have practically no effect in two-party systems [23:13] MinceR strange, some people weren't born poor [23:13] MinceR like bill gates [23:13] Old_Man It's like darkness, or cold: they're things we dislike, but they aren't anyone's *fault*. We work to overcome darkness at night; we work to overcome cold that would kill us. We work to overcome poverty that would starve us. [23:13] schestowitz__ many lack this privilege [23:13] schestowitz__ some become fruit pickers at age 5 [23:14] schestowitz__ no time to pick up a book [23:14] schestowitz__ they help mama [23:14] MinceR is that what the redmond mafia does when it blocks would-be competitors from the market? [23:14] Old_Man Bill Gates was born without a single penny in his hand, same as me and you. The wealth he was given was given to him *by someone* and somewhere in that chain, someone had to produce value for someone else to create it. [23:14] cybrNaut CrystalMath: when you inflate money, it does not add to the total value. Scarcity reduces, so each dollar becomes worth less. You only have the illusion that you can infinitely print money [23:14] schestowitz__ false [23:14] MinceR is that what dehomag/hedrat does when they infiltrate free software projects like debian to deny users choice? [23:14] MinceR bill gates was born to rich parents [23:14] schestowitz__ Old_Man: clue: Gates did not take a student loan to enroll at Harvard [23:15] MinceR his condition existed before he was born [23:15] schestowitz__ he did not pay bail [23:15] schestowitz__ when he was arrested [23:15] schestowitz__ several times in fact [23:15] CrystalMath cybrNaut: but value can be generated [23:15] schestowitz__ it was his parents [23:15] Old_Man And how did they get rich? Maybe by stealing, which would be unethical. But their wealth had to be *created* by someone, at some point. [23:15] CrystalMath the world can and does get richer [23:15] MinceR generating value is hard, so most people who get a choice about it avoid it [23:15] schestowitz__ banking, Old_Man [23:15] Old_Man It did not naturally exist; someone created value at some point. [23:15] schestowitz__ and state connections [23:15] MinceR and they instead take value from others or outright destroy value [23:15] schestowitz__ check the Maxwells [23:16] MinceR Old_Man: someone having value doesn't mean they created it [23:16] CrystalMath voluntary exchange is always positive for both sides [23:16] Old_Man MinceR: correct. But it means *someone* did. [23:16] CrystalMath like i'm going to voluntarily give up $60 for an old motherboard tomorrow [23:16] MinceR and there is nothing voluntary about the microshit tax [23:16] schestowitz__ Gary Kildall did not have a patent in IBM Board [23:16] CrystalMath i think that motherboard is better to me than that $60 [23:16] schestowitz__ *parent [23:16] CrystalMath so i gain [23:16] CrystalMath and the seller thinks the $60 is better to him, so he gains [23:16] schestowitz__ who was there not because of skills [23:17] MinceR i won't get to buy a new laptop anytime soon since apparently the nazis are planning to shut down shops [23:17] CrystalMath win win [23:17] schestowitz__ but because of connections, dynasty [23:17] schestowitz__ "pedigree" [23:17] MinceR and so even if i have one shipped, i'll have trouble with any warranty claims [23:17] CrystalMath MinceR: eh, this is a used board actually, it's a direct exchange :P [23:17] CrystalMath so not store-related [23:17] CrystalMath as far as i'm concerned i would shut down the computer stores that exist now, they're all TERRIBLE [23:17] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:17] CrystalMath and they sell crap [23:18] MinceR do you have a chip fab at home? [23:18] CrystalMath no [23:18] CrystalMath i rely exclusively on 10+ year old hardware [23:18] MinceR neither do i [23:18] CrystalMath which i constantly buy [23:18] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [23:18] MinceR so i'm stuck with buying stuff made by others [23:18] CrystalMath that's fine but i only buy old stuff [23:19] CrystalMath there used to be great stores, but they were small ones [23:19] CrystalMath the large stores ran by criminals just destroyed them [23:19] CrystalMath so i don't care about them [23:19] CrystalMath now i buy from independent sellers in person, with cash [23:20] cybrNaut CrystalMath> i rely exclusively on 10+ year old hardware <= the increasing abusive overuse of rampant javascript makes that unsustainable [23:21] schestowitz__ use gemini and email [23:21] *cybrNaut 's 12 y.o. machine occasionally gets brought to its knees by javascript [23:21] schestowitz__ 128 of RAM would do [23:21] schestowitz__ 128MB [23:21] schestowitz__ irc is about 5MB of RAM [23:21] schestowitz__ xchat for example is light [23:22] cybrNaut schestowitz__: what's gemini? [23:22] schestowitz__ openbox, gnu, linux... [23:22] schestowitz__ not sure what linux the kernel now takes [23:22] schestowitz__ with systemd RAM doesn't seem to be the main bottleneck [23:22] Old_Man I do most of my web surfing on sites that don't require javascript to get the useful information, so 99% of surfing, I leave NoScript turned on. [23:22] schestowitz__ but it takes ages to start and shut down [23:22] schestowitz__ esp. on older machines [23:22] cybrNaut gemini is a linux alternative? [23:23] schestowitz__ cybrNaut: http://techrights.org/gemini [23:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights on Gemini | Techrights [23:23] Old_Man I get weather from weather.gov; bitcoin prices from bitinfocharts.com. [23:23] schestowitz__ browsers alone would take over 100MB of RAM [23:23] schestowitz__ for a cold start [23:23] Old_Man One annoying thing is that my state only publishes its COVID-19 data on Google Drive, so I *have* to turn on javascript just for that one task. [23:23] Old_Man But, as soon as I download the dumps of their spreadsheets, I can kill that browser sandbox. [23:23] schestowitz__ Old_Man: can you not curl/wget it? [23:24] schestowitz__ or maybe some python tools [23:24] schestowitz__ scrapers of Google Drive [23:24] cybrNaut i've seen a Pleroma page rob me of ~124mb ram just for the browser tab [23:24] schestowitz__ twitter is worse [23:24] Old_Man There might be some magic recipe for that, but it isn't obvious. They are Google spreadsheets that "let you" download a .csv export, but accessing it in the first place, and getting the .csv conversion, requires javascript as far as I know. [23:25] schestowitz__ awful [23:25] Old_Man schestowitz__: see "nitter" for a javascript-free way to load twitter links. [23:25] Old_Man nitter.net [23:25] schestowitz__ they will shut it down [23:25] CrystalMath cybrNaut: my browser is elinks, compiled with --disable-spidermonkey [23:25] schestowitz__ when it becomes more widely used [23:25] schestowitz__ more api blocks and stuff [23:25] schestowitz__ or ip blocks [23:25] CrystalMath cybrNaut: no javascript ever! [23:25] CrystalMath i only run 90s software [23:26] Old_Man schestowitz__: not too many people like us care about security, so we'll probably remain below the radar for some time... but, check out their git repository; there are many instances of nitter running on other domains as well. [23:26] Old_Man It's a pretty good workaround. [23:26] Old_Man Kinda like youtube-dl for twitter. :) [23:26] danielinux https://mamot.fr/@jz/105791179208136173 [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Jrmie Zimmermann : "When researchers find a flaw in the way #Signal #" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fdr [23:27] psydroid 10 years: bought top-notch hardware, can do everything smoothly, best computer I've ever had by far [23:27] schestowitz__ Old_Man: Twitter will find a way [23:27] psydroid now: that system is crap, can't even browse news sites and fakebook is so slow, need a new fast computer to run my super duper dos emulator with 144 fps [23:27] schestowitz__ over time they shut off more 3rd parties [23:27] MinceR twitter, uh, finds a way [23:27] schestowitz__ or they will file lawsuits [23:27] schestowitz__ see the linkedin lawsuits [23:27] schestowitz__ over scraping [23:28] psydroid 10 years ago* [23:28] Old_Man schestowitz__: perhaps they'll care about us someday and put some effort into extracting $0.02 in ad revenue from us, but in the meantime, you might want to let people know they don't have to run javascript from twitter, just to see a link someone sent you. [23:29] schestowitz__ I don't want twitter or a gateway to it [23:29] schestowitz__ because we need to make twitter over [23:29] schestowitz__ or obsolete [23:29] schestowitz__ it's picky who stays there [23:29] Old_Man Technically it was obsolete before it even started... [23:29] danielinux https://lemmy.ml/post/55595 [23:29] psydroid CrystalMath, your OS design and implementation skills are needed to make software not suck :D [23:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lemmy.ml | Signal Server is effectively closed source software right now - Lemmy [23:29] schestowitz__ more so in recent months [23:29] Old_Man Any medium that isn't an obvious improvement over the old Unix utilities like "talk" and "finger" are already obsolete at birth. ;) [23:30] schestowitz__ psydroid: approved by regime change maniac [23:30] CrystalMath psydroid: i'm not alone, check out suckless.org [23:30] schestowitz__ musk who wants to attack a country to rob it off its natural resources, which he profits from [23:30] schestowitz__ techrights-bot and techrights-ipfs are suckless [23:31] MinceR which country? [23:37] cybrNaut is there a WriteFreely-like markdown blogging service that supports Gemini? [23:44] schestowitz__ good question [23:44] schestowitz__ if not, we can write one [23:44] schestowitz__ gemtext is very simple [23:44] schestowitz__ so writing anything with or for it is simple [23:46] cybrNaut CrystalMath: this is the proper Amazon link (i think there was a problem with the earlier link I mentioned): https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm/src/branch/master/rap_sheets/amazon.md [23:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm: Information and tools to facilitate ethical consumption of goods and services. - rap_sheets/amazon.md at master - liberethos_paradigm - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea [23:49] CrystalMath cybrNaut: i 100% agree with all this [23:49] CrystalMath the only good amazon is the river [23:52] CrystalMath (but i don't think value in general is fixed in place) [23:57] cybrNaut par 6.vii (The Tyranny of Convenience) is a good read if you have time [23:58] cybrNaut problem is, the people who can't be bothered to read that Tim Wu essay are probably the ones who most need to read it