●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, July 04, 2021 ●● ● Jul 04 [00:00] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:00] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:00] activelow i am certain many lives can be saved by monitoring cars and public traffic, to protect children and cyclists [00:01] activelow nonetheless never did I hear of any proposal to implement mass surveillance of cars and public traffic by those politicians who seek to protect children by spying on computers [00:03] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [00:04] *Techrights-sec2 has quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) [00:05] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [00:06] *Noisytoot is now known as N7t [00:07] activelow speeding and unusually aggressive driving characteristics are a severe issue in german cities [00:07] activelow i mean if anywhere mass surveillance could benefit public interests then it would be muss surveillance of cars and traffic [00:07] activelow *mass [00:09] activelow nonetheless politicians seek to enforce unconstitutional mass surveillance elsewhere with little to no benefit so far [00:10] *N7t is now known as Noisytoot [00:11] *inky (~inky@5.77.194.62) has joined #techrights [00:14] activelow http://techrights.org/2021/07/03/proprietary-software-inside-cars/ [00:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Unexplored or Scarcely Explored Ethical Problems With Modern Cars Containing Proprietary Software That Drivers Cannot Remove/Replace | Techrights [00:15] activelow ^ taming the unusually aggressive driving characteristics alone potentially could reduce carbon emissions by 30% in germany, a rough estimate of mine [00:18] schestowitz maybe so [00:18] schestowitz maybe a future part about that, need more info [00:20] techrights-news With its #patents , #Samsung is not hijacking the acronym UPC. #TeamUPC will be forgotten and not remembered in history... https://bgr.com/tech/samsung-galaxy-z-roll-rollable-phone-upc-camera-5934161/ [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Samsung might be working on a phone unlike anything else in the world [00:22] techrights-news Corrupt #EPO pretending to have embraced #dataprotection standards while grossly violating them https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210702.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/ [00:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Data protection framework adopted by the Administrative Council [00:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights [00:23] techrights-news Instead or working to tackle its #crimes and hold people accounting, #EPO management works hard to cover up the crimes and carry on with them. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO [00:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights [00:25] techrights-news It does not seem to have embraces widespread #corruption like the #EPO has https://www.dyoung.com/en/knowledgebank/articles/happy-birthday-bpatg #germany #de [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dyoung.com | D Young & Co | Happy birthday to the German Federal Patent Court! [00:26] activelow the important difference between cars and traffic under mass surveillance and typical business of gafam is this: the former is *public* space monitored while the latter infringes *privacy* [00:27] techrights-news This Week in Linux 158: Linux 5.13, Pipewire, System76 Pop!_OS, COSMIC Desktop, Darktable https://tuxdigital.com/2021/07/thisweekinlinux-158/ #gnu #linux [00:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxdigital.com | 158: Linux 5.13, Pipewire, System76 Pop!_OS, COSMIC Desktop, Darktable | This Week in Linux [00:28] activelow ironically even EU supposedly concerned with climate etc. opposed the plans of inner city and highway tolls proposed by CSU [00:29] activelow https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-toll-eu-seehofer-idUSKCN1TJ1C3 [00:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-German interior minister laments EU court ruling on road toll | Reuters [00:33] techrights-news " #Netsurf is a really gerat brow ers, very little memory consumption and la lightning fast application there are some features tthat i would like to use if they exist" https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1105488-start-0.html [00:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - need help with netsurf [00:36] techrights-news "changing the default zoom permamently" is one thing that is unfortunately still missing in #netsurf https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1105488-start-0.html [00:37] techrights-news Audiocasts/Shows: This Week in Linux, Startx, cut and 'tr' http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153006 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: This Week in Linux, Startx, 'cut' and 'tr' | Tux Machines [00:40] activelow this one could detonate: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-08/eu-preparing-legal-proceedings-against-germany-on-ecb-verdict [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [00:41] activelow and when it does EPO will have little relevance anymore anyway [00:43] techrights-news ...However, #netsurf does come with many command line options http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/cosmic/man1/netsurf-fb.1.html [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-manpages.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu Manpage: netsurf - A small fast web browser [00:44] schestowitz ECB is run by a criminal [00:44] schestowitz but her mate who kept her out of prison is now EU commissioner [00:45] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/11/27/breton-lagarde-connections/ [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Understanding Thierry Breton: Mister Cash and Madame Bailout | Techrights [00:57] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights ● Jul 04 [01:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.50 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.71 swarm size (avg): 308.21 [01:11] *activelow (~activelow@qi92ihae8erp4.irc) has joined #techrights [01:12] activelow anyway, to my understanding the ruling principle of EU is NOT "supremacy", it is "subsidiarity" [01:14] activelow and EU/ECB are bound by *contracts* which EU/ECB violated [01:15] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:15] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:16] activelow excessively. and insofar it isn't some national courts posing a threat to "supremacy" of EU court of justice, it is EU/ECB violating contracts which posed the threat [01:16] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [01:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [01:17] activelow "The ruling was a direct challenge to the supremacy of the EU court, whose rulings are binding across the 27-nation bloc" -> WRONG [01:18] activelow member nation states and EU institutions themselves are bound by *contracts* which were violated [01:23] activelow furthermore EU seeked to sanction nations who complied with and implemented EU law: such as border patrol (hungary), or eastern european nations who did *comply* with maastricht criteria, while those nations who dominate and hijacked EU institutions did NOT [01:27] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [01:29] activelow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiarity#General_principle_of_European_Union_law [01:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Subsidiarity - Wikipedia [01:32] activelow the court of justice cannot decide if EU contracts are void, if EU contracts were void then EU court of justice was, leave alone their claimed "supremacy" over national supreme courts [01:35] activelow german supreme court did NOT question "supremacy" of EU court of justice nor did german supreme court question validity of EU treaty [01:36] activelow german supreme court warned EU/ECB are acting in violation of EU treaty [01:43] activelow https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/09/eu-launches-legal-case-against-germany-over-alleged-breach-of-eu-law-primacy-principle [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | EU takes legal action against Germany after tussle between courts | European Union | The Guardian [01:48] activelow The German court deprived a judgment of the European court of justice of its legal effect in Germany, breaching the principle of the primacy of EU law -> WRONG [01:51] activelow "primacy of EU law" is bound by EU treaty and subsidiarity principle (not! "supremacy"), whose contracts were violated by EU/ECB institutions themselves [01:54] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights ● Jul 04 [02:01] activelow in fact it seems EU protects those who *violate* the law, and sanctions those who are compliant, which isn't specific to some individual national entity either [02:02] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.51 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.83 swarm size (avg): 308.14 [02:04] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:18] activelow The last word on EU law is always spoken in Luxembourg. -> WRONG, it is EU treaty [02:19] activelow btw. german supreme court didn't slap EU court of justice mainly, it slapped the German government mostly [02:30] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:30] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:33] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [02:34] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [02:36] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. 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[02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, July 03, 2021 [02:39] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-030721.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-030721.txt Read the log now... [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, July 03, 2021 [02:40] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-07-03.txt [02:41] activelow since when and why would compliance with EU treaty and legal framework "set dangerous precedent for integrity of EU law"? [02:47] activelow It is for the member state to identify possible solutions. Any solution must be in line with EU law and respect the principle of the primacy of EU law. [02:49] activelow This is interesting, since i lack the imagination how Uschi and Merkel and associates could propose anything anymore which didn't violate EU treaty further then they already did. [02:50] activelow than [02:53] activelow too i would be curious how some supreme court would rule if some EU institutions approved experimental vaccines which in principle couldn't have been to funnel hundreds of millions and billions of cash into shareholder pockets (CureVac who presented their research results a vaccine couldn't have been approved to begin with) [02:54] activelow it was german government being biggest shareholder of Biontec iirc ● Jul 04 [03:00] activelow instead recently the criminal gang who dictates german politics and media proposed to "sanction deligitimization of governmental institutions" in parallel to "permissive mass surveillance" implemented [03:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [03:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.93 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.40 swarm size (avg): 308.29 [03:07] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 7173 total Total pages: 36029 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 3 weeks 4 days ago [03:07] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.0 GB TotalOut: 482 MB [03:07] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:09] techrights-ipfs-bot QmWmhZ87epJnat1eMJ4BeFyB6qzD9SSd15E66vFEpywPtq [03:10] activelow so, now both EU court of justice AND German Supreme Court together raised a red flag, within 2 month a response is mandatory to proceed [03:13] activelow "Germany will now have two months to respond to the commissions letter laying out its concerns." June 8, 2021 [03:13] activelow and it isn't german supreme court itself who had to propose anything, typically, supreme court instructs german government to issue such proposal, which must remain in compliance with both german constitution and EU treaty [03:24] activelow the irony will be it is even more enthusiastic EU "supporters" now who seek to take seat in german government after national parliament elections September 2021, who must respond to EU treaty infringement proceedings [03:58] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:58] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:58] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 04 [04:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.93 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 8.71 swarm size (avg): 308.32 [04:06] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [04:08] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [04:12] *activelow (~activelow@haxa587uemy7a.irc) has joined #techrights [04:12] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [04:15] *job (~job@yfw32r65chp4s.irc) has joined #techrights [04:15] activelow is this a coincidence my onion circuits dropped twice within a few hours (which these rarely do otherwise) when citing newspapers and their false news about ECB shareholders? [04:16] *pandakekok9 (~job@user/job) has joined #techrights [04:16] *includeals has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) [04:17] activelow had to forcefully flush onion directory cashes several times to reestablish a stable circuit (of 6 hops in total here) [04:20] *includeals (~includeal@a94-132-179-31.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [04:29] activelow political opponents hacking and slaying each other currently is a distraction from the fact no government could legally rule in Germany anymore without violating EU treaty and german constitution when proceeding with their corona coin nonsense to dump trillions of cash. [04:31] activelow since German Supreme Court too ruled some specific social security legislation did violate german constitution, since year 2000 already. [04:32] activelow so either any future government violated german constitution and EU treaties by dumping cash and bloating debt, or an austerity policy violated german constitution (related to social security which supreme court ruled) [04:38] activelow this was a masterpiece of EU politics, to violate both: EU treaties with regards to excessive spendings for those who had benefit (shareholders), in parallel to violating german constitution due to a strict austerity agenda against those who couldn't defend themselves (younger generation, youth unemployment etc) [04:54] activelow this is the explanation why ideological lunacies are flourishing surrounding covid and climate and whatabout, which do not originate in the realm of political fringe either [04:57] activelow in fact it is government itself and public state-owned news and media who agitate and incite the masses in germany ● Jul 04 [05:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.80 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 54.65 swarm size (avg): 308.15 ● Jul 04 [06:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.73 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 28.35 swarm size (avg): 307.97 [06:25] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jul 04 [07:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 33.30 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 53.70 swarm size (avg): 307.81 [07:18] activelow "Despite Brexit and higher levels of euroscepticism generally, the UK was relatively good at implementing EU rules compared to its neighbours" (!) [07:18] activelow https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-merkel-germany-breaks-more-eu-rules-worst-bottom-class-a8198271.html [07:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Germany now 'biggest breaker of EU rules', according to official figures | The Independent | The Independent [07:20] schestowitz activelow: compared to Switzerland, Norway? [07:20] schestowitz Either way, I'm disappointed by how Germany deals with EPO [07:20] schestowitz they now go ahead and cover up the crimes [07:20] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:21] schestowitz [00:22] Corrupt #EPO pretending to have embraced #dataprotection standards while grossly violating them https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210702.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/ [07:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Data protection framework adopted by the Administrative Council [07:21] schestowitz [00:23] Instead or working to tackle its #crimes and hold people accounting, #EPO management works hard to cover up the crimes and carry on with them. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO [07:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights [07:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights [07:21] schestowitz earlier today [07:21] activelow morning schestowitz: with reference to EU treaties i would argue, following recent German Supreme Court ruling. [07:22] activelow "The European Court of Justice ultimately has the final say over whether rules have been broken" -> WRONG, it hasn't. It is the EU treaties (Maastricht, Schengen, ...). [07:23] activelow the guiding principle of EU isn't "supremacy" of any EU instititution, it is subsidiarity principle codified in EU treaties. [07:23] schestowitz https://hardforum.com/threads/itching-to-upgrade-but-i-know-its-a-bad-time-and-been-awhile.2011901/ [07:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hardforum.com | Itching to upgrade, but I know its a bad time and been awhile. | [H]ard|Forum [07:23] schestowitz debian, kubuntu [07:24] schestowitz ECB isn't an EU thing [07:24] schestowitz it's IO like EPO [07:24] schestowitz it's above the law [07:24] schestowitz and it is currently governed by a convicted criminal, Lagarde [07:24] schestowitz so it can, afaik, mostly ignore/flout eu lalw [07:25] schestowitz except for pr/optics [07:33] activelow it is remarkable hundreds of newspapers spread thousands of articles, all of them perpetuating the nonsense some individual national supreme court was bound by some "supremacy" of supra-national EU institution [07:34] activelow if any national government or EU institution violated EU treaties and national constitution then any national supreme court MUST object [07:36] schestowitz ECB is not subjected to courts [07:36] schestowitz or hardly [07:36] schestowitz it's an ongoing problem [07:36] schestowitz there's ILO-AT for staff [07:40] activelow german government abusing ECB is for the sake of shareholders. german government must comply with german supreme court ruling, which is within only ~4 weeks remaining now german government *must* propose how to comply with EU treaties and german constitution with their response to the infringement case [07:43] schestowitz it's a cash cow [07:43] schestowitz so they look the other way [07:43] schestowitz just like with EPO [07:43] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2016/12/13/european-central-bank-on-battistelli/ [07:44] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2015/11/23/frankfurt-bank-re-suepo/ [07:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Staff Union of the European Central Bank Blasts Benot Battistelli | Techrights [07:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Central Bank Staff Committee Adds to Growing Pressure on Abusive EPO Management | Techrights [07:44] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/12/19/lagarde-ecb/ [07:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Understanding Thierry Breton: The Killer Shark Resurfaces | Techrights [07:44] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2017/03/18/letter-from-union-european-central-bank/ [07:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Letter From European Public Services Organisation (IPSO) to Angela Merkel and Heiko Maas Regarding EPO Union-Busting Catastrophe | Techrights [07:52] schestowitz Groklaw: "This organisation is currently ineligible to receive donations." ● Jul 04 [08:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.80 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 42.41 swarm size (avg): 307.59 [08:17] activelow i am not sure it is at least possible in principle to verify validity of patents often [08:18] activelow since release dates of publications can be tampered, databases manipulated, in practice [08:18] activelow and regardles of patent claims plagiarism (and theft ) are a severe violation of scientific standards [08:20] activelow plagiarism theft and fraud are illegal regardless of patents anyway [08:21] activelow GPL doesn't terminate author's rights or common law either, or abandon penal code concerned with plagiarism, theft and fraud [08:22] activelow and in practice GPL can be a utility to enforce patent claims, when proprietary software would prevent it [08:24] activelow i am not convinced patents are the legal framework to guarantee social security to developers and scientists either, instead it is labor market regulations [08:24] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:25] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [08:29] activelow i am not at least sure if plagiarism alone sufficed for legal action, even without patent claims involved [08:59] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153008 #Linux #TuxMachines [08:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [08:59] techrights-news 7 guides about open source to keep your brain busy this summer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153007 [08:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 guides about open source to keep your brain busy this summer | Tux Machines ● Jul 04 [09:00] techrights-news [Old] First time #EUCommission pursues case relating to divisional #patent filing and #litigation strategies https://hsfnotes.com/crt/2021/03/04/first-time-eu-commission-pursues-case-relating-to-divisional-patent-filing-and-litigation-strategies/ [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ https://hsfnotes.com/crt/2021/03/04/first-time-eu-commission-pursues-case-relating-to-divisional-patent-filing-and-litigation-strategies/ ) [09:00] techrights-news Linux 5.14 With #EXT4 Adds Interface To Help Prevent Information Leakage From The Journal - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-EXT4 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 With EXT4 Adds Interface To Help Prevent Information Leakage From The Journal - Phoronix [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [09:00] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, July 03, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [09:01] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [09:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [09:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.46 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 106.28 swarm size (avg): 307.38 [09:01] techrights-news "The simple answer is he just sold #RedHat for several times what it was worth and left #IBM the moment he was vested." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-030721.html#tJul%2003%2023:03:10 [09:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, July 03, 2021 [09:02] techrights-news Instruction during pandemic provides foundation for future STEM #education https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2021/Q2/instruction-during-pandemic-provides-foundation-for-future-stem-education.html [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.purdue.edu | Instruction during pandemic provides foundation for future STEM education - Purdue University News [09:02] techrights-news #EUIPO embracing buzzwords and hype, perhaps to help distract from the #corruption https://www.mondaq.com/turkey/trademark/1075710/european-union-intellectual-property-office-launches-europe39s-first-ever-blockchain-platform-for-secure-delivery-in-real-time-of-ip-rights-information see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Union Intellectual Property Office Launches Europe's First Ever Blockchain Platform For Secure Delivery In Real Time Of IP Rights Information - Intellectual Property - European Union [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [09:02] techrights-news "mass surveillance of *public* car traffic at least could serve a *public* interest" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-030721.html#tJul%2003%2023:56:21 [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, July 03, 2021 [09:10] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [09:12] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #ProprietarySoftware Another day, another #WD security flaw https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/2/22561140/wd-cloud-os-3-security-flaw-update-patch-disconnect [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Another day, another WD security flaw - The Verge [09:13] techrights-news #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #VOANews #ProprietarySoftware Major Swedish Supermarket Chain Hit by Cyberattack https://www.voanews.com/europe/major-swedish-supermarket-chain-hit-cyberattack [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Major Swedish Supermarket Chain Hit by Cyberattack | Voice of America - English [09:13] techrights-news NEWS #BBC #ProprietarySoftware Swedish Coop supermarkets shut due to US ransomware cyber-attack https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57707530 [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Swedish Coop supermarkets shut due to US ransomware cyber-attack - BBC News [09:14] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #nl #Surveillance #Privacy Dutch court rejects Facebooks bid to have privacy lawsuit in the #Netherlands dismissed https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/3/22561949/dutch-court-rejects-facebook-privacy-lawsuit-netherlands [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Dutch court rejects Facebooks bid to have privacy lawsuit in the Netherlands dismissed - The Verge [09:14] techrights-news NEWS #TheHill #Surveillance #Privacy Dozens of Capitol [insurrection] defendants accused of trying to delete photos, texts https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/561465-dozens-of-capitol-riot-defendants-accused-of-trying-to-delete-photos [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dozens of Capitol riot defendants accused of trying to delete photos, texts | TheHill [09:14] techrights-news NEWS #AssociatedPress #Surveillance #Privacy [Insurrectionists] accused of erasing content from social media, phones https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-capitol-siege-business-electoral-college-media-efe0ea1092bc11c6d3f42ea4ef752d98 [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | Rioters accused of erasing content from social media, phones [09:16] techrights-news I've given away my ARM machine, partly... so the wife now uses 3 laptops in tandem and so do I. 10 screens total. [09:22] *bradchaus (~bchadwick@4pjad2wvr9yr4.irc) has joined #techrights [09:22] bradchaus hello from oz folks [09:25] techrights-news #uk #rightToRepair https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/let's-talk-about-the-new-uk-right-to:4 [09:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Let's talk about the new UK right to repair law and why it isn't a failure. [09:33] techrights-news #GNU / #Linux Market Share is Surging, Up More Than 50% This Year (Based on One Firm That Tracks Such Numbers) http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/statcounter-latest/ #microsoft #windows #monopoly [09:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNU/Linux Market Share is Surging, Up More Than 50% This Year (Based on One Firm That Tracks Such Numbers) | Techrights [09:34] schestowitz bradchaus: hi [09:35] techrights-news NEWS #DontExtraditeAssange #assange #wikileaks Messages for Julian Assanges 50th Birthday https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-clip/messages-for-julian-assanges-50th-birthday/ [09:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | Messages for Julian Assange's 50th Birthday - Don't Extradite Assange [09:36] bradchaus Hi there ... I have been watching Techrights for a LONG time ... but this latest stuff that M$ is doing ... the b*stards sgould be strung up ... how do hey get away with it? [09:36] bradchaus should [09:36] schestowitz which stuff? [09:36] bradchaus so I finally joined your IRC channel [09:36] schestowitz there are many aspects to what they do [09:36] schestowitz welcome to IRC! [09:36] bradchaus the crap about Linus every time a kernel is released [09:36] schestowitz it's our main means for comms and coord [09:36] *lockeanarchist has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:37] schestowitz ah, that thing [09:37] schestowitz personifying Linux to then attack people [09:37] schestowitz politicians tactics [09:37] schestowitz see link about re assang... I mean, wikileaks [09:38] bradchaus talk about pot calling kettle black ... that G8s bastard, he is a liar, thief, monopolist, even a racketeer in my view, and has passed on that attitude to M$ ... [09:38] bradchaus and win11 ... what a f-ing joke LOL [09:40] bradchaus I was in the IT game when DOS was 1.1 ... I saw what happened [09:41] *lockeanarchist (~lockeanarchist@dbx7zd6rdshfe.irc) has joined #techrights [09:44] schestowitz well, one co-founder is dead [09:44] schestowitz the other one is down [09:44] schestowitz ballmer is... well, where to start? [09:44] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/07/01/steve-ballmer-viral-video/ [09:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Left This Man in Charge of Microsoft for Decades | Techrights [09:44] schestowitz but we need to look ahead [09:44] schestowitz IBM has been a woe lately... and now IBM is also collapsing [09:45] schestowitz so, imho, we need to talk less about 'linux' and more about software freedom [09:45] schestowitz because some people thinking buying a mac or using google/android is OK because "no Microsoft" [09:45] schestowitz 'linux' as in LF just means all sort of crazy things now [09:46] schestowitz leah is launching saveGNU.org soon [09:46] schestowitz https://savegnu.org/ [09:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savegnu.org [09:46] bradchaus yeah ... I guess its just that I am so enraged about how the net has evolved over my lifetime, and the constant attacks on freedom, GOOD software, GOOD people etc ... by these huge behemoth companies, that have only become huge because of the exact sort of work these people do ... [09:47] techrights-news According to #StatCounter which mostly counts people who are easy to spy on, almost 3% of observed laptop/desktop users are on #GNU / #Linux proper (not counting the most widely used operating system, #Android , which is Linux-powered) http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/statcounter-latest/ [09:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNU/Linux Market Share is Surging, Up More Than 50% This Year (Based on One Firm That Tracks Such Numbers) | Techrights [09:48] bradchaus LF is a smokescreen [09:48] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, July 03, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/irc-log-030721/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/irc-log-030721/ [09:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, July 03, 2021 | Techrights [09:49] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights OMI IN A HELLCAT: My Pirate #IPTV Service Was Legal. US Govt: No Way https://torrentfreak.com/omi-in-a-hellcat-my-pirate-iptv-service-was-legal-us-govt-no-way-210702/ [09:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OMI IN A HELLCAT: My Pirate IPTV Service Was Legal. US Govt: No Way * TorrentFreak [09:50] schestowitz bradchaus: they are a front grou [09:50] bradchaus yep [09:50] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:50] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:51] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [09:52] bradchaus LOL#balmer-video ... I knew he was a nitwit decades ago LOL [09:52] schestowitz idiots surrounded by other idiots. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [09:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times [09:53] schestowitz but we need to open up the battlefront along concepts and ideology rather than brands [09:53] bradchaus absolutely [09:54] techrights-news "Hows Rob going to improve the sales organization?! Jesus f Christ. AK has no idea what hes going." #ibm #redhat https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bELGiJP#replies [09:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Jim Whitehurst and Bridget van Kralingen are out in an IBM leadership shakeup - post regarding IBM layoffs [09:54] bradchaus could you link me to the assange/wikileaks thing you mentioned please? [09:56] techrights-news There seems to be consensus that Jim Whitehurst left #ibm (he'll still 'consult' or 'advise' them) by his own choice, but we don't have hard evidence, just gossip and assessment based on media statements from CEO AK. [09:56] techrights-news "THE #Windows #monopoly is eroding, but who or what grows at its expense? Well, #ChromeOS is based on #GNU / #Linux but we dont count it as such because it does not respect users freedom." http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/statcounter-latest/ [09:57] techrights-news "F u c k i n g AK despote, tyrant, dictator" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bEhoBch#replies see http://techrights.org/2020/10/24/militarised-elephants/ [09:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM chief Arvind Krishna cements his position as heir apparent quits - post regarding IBM layoffs [09:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Militarised Elephant in the Room Still Commands a Lot of Free Software Development | Techrights [09:57] schestowitz bradchaus: what about? [09:58] schestowitz there's this from 20 mins ago: [09:58] schestowitz [09:35] NEWS #DontExtraditeAssange #assange #wikileaks Messages for Julian Assanges 50th Birthday https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-clip/messages-for-julian-assanges-50th-birthday/ [09:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | Messages for Julian Assange's 50th Birthday - Don't Extradite Assange [09:58] bradchaus that must be it ... thanks [09:58] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Copyrights #Sony Hates You: EarthBound Let's Plays Flagged For #Copyright Infringement Due To Soundtrack https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210630/11502047098/sony-hates-you-earthbound-lets-plays-flagged-copyright-infringement-due-to-soundtrack.shtml [09:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sony Hates You: EarthBound Let's Plays Flagged For Copyright Infringement Due To Soundtrack | Techdirt [09:59] bradchaus Our government here in Australia has virtual blood on their hands in the assange matter too ● Jul 04 [10:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/07/01/the-burden-of-truth/ [10:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Burden of Truth | Techrights [10:00] schestowitz Did you see this? [10:00] schestowitz Gillard [10:01] schestowitz ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gillard ) [10:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Julia Gillard - Wikipedia [10:02] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut #Oil and Gas Companies Depend on Tax Subsidies and #JobCreation #Myths to Survive https://truthout.org/articles/oil-and-gas-companies-depend-on-tax-subsidies-and-job-creation-myths-to-survive/ [10:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Oil and Gas Companies Depend on Tax Subsidies and Job Creation Myths to Survive [10:04] bradchaus that burden of truth article ... there is no difference between what zuckerberg does and assange's so called criminality [10:06] schestowitz I am doing a meme about Microsoft ATM... [10:06] schestowitz bradchaus: there is [10:06] schestowitz Zuck spies on people... for governments [10:06] schestowitz JA spies [sic] on governments... to inform people [10:08] immibis Librarian: "freedom"? "anything"? [10:08] immibis "slavery"? "fucking lie"? [10:08] immibis anyway, why is it so hard to admit that you want to forcibly impose yourself on my free choice [10:08] immibis ? [10:13] activelow the data is inconclusive if it didn't include threadx and minix, who are are dominating deployment market share [10:14] activelow minix is shipped with 99% of all intel systems [10:14] activelow and threadx could hide inside every usb hub or elsewhere, microsoft doesn't tell how they accounted for the 6billion deployments [10:17] bradchaus thats true schestowitz ... I was meaning that assange really has done much the same in printing stuff that is not his authorshup .. so why does zuck get off, and assange get crucified? [10:17] bradchaus MONEY, CONNECTIONS [10:20] bradchaus right from when FB first became public/online, I KNEW it was trouble ... and advised my friends to steer clear ... I could see it happeneninig right back then [10:21] gustaf well Assange made an enemy of the most powerful government on the planet [10:21] gustaf Zuck made friends with it [10:21] bradchaus the p;d adage, if you lay with dogs, you get fleas ... one can only hope ... [10:21] bradchaus old adage [10:22] schestowitz gustaf: yes, exactly [10:22] bradchaus no aspersion against dogs there btw ... I love my dogs :) [10:22] schestowitz likewise, in journalism, you don't receive awards for exposing high-level crimes [10:23] schestowitz the awards are giving by those people [10:24] bradchaus like the ABC here in Australia ... their journalists uncover some really nasty, prickly, downright illegal crap happening within our government ranks ... so naturally an Idnependant Commission Against Corruption wont happen here for a while [10:26] bradchaus ABC is our publlic ly funded broadcaster for those who dont know [10:27] techrights-news [Meme] Microsoft Will Fix Everything, Eventually... http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/microsoft-will-fix-everything/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/microsoft-will-fix-everything/ [10:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Microsoft Will Fix Everything, Eventually | Techrights [10:27] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [10:27] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #wikileaks #fbi #blackmail #iceland #Assange Supporters Demand Release Amid Key DOJ Witness's Admission Testimony Was Fabricated https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/03/assange-supporters-demand-release-amid-key-doj-witnesss-admission-testimony-was [10:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Assange Supporters Demand Release Amid Key DOJ Witness's Admission Testimony Was Fabricated | Common Dreams News [10:28] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [10:29] bradchaus you poor people over in the USA have one of ours over there causing no end of trouble too ... bloody Murdoch [10:29] bradchaus the sooner he turns his toes up the beter [10:29] bradchaus better [10:32] bradchaus love the meme schestowitz :) [10:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:41] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:42] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [10:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [10:48] techrights-news What #ZDNet is Teaching Us About #Linux http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/linux-zdnet-bad/ #propahanda #micfrosoft #ibm [10:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What ZDNet is Teaching Us About Linux | Techrights [10:48] schestowitz bradchaus: Rumsfeld gone [10:49] schestowitz and few other problematic figures lately [10:49] schestowitz can't keep track [10:49] bradchaus known unknowns :P [10:49] bradchaus and unkown unkowns :P [10:49] schestowitz https://twitter.com/ismurdochdead?lang=en [10:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/ismurdochdead?lang=en ) [10:49] schestowitz https://www.smh.com.au/national/murdoch-editors-told-to-kill-whitlam-in-1975-20140627-zson7.html [10:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au | Murdoch editors told to 'kill Whitlam' in 1975 [10:50] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [10:51] schestowitz [09:18] NEWS #NBC Donald #Rumsfeld pushed for the #Iraq War. We should mourn its innocent victims, not him. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/donald-rumsfeld-pushed-iraq-war-we-should-mourn-its-innocent-ncna1272918 [10:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Donald Rumsfeld pushed for the Iraq War. We should mourn its innocent victims, not him. [10:51] bradchaus even murdoch's son James distanced himself ... that other one, umm, lachlan ... he just does what daddy says ... he shits when daddy says shit [10:52] *inky (~inky@5.77.194.62) has joined #techrights [10:53] techrights-news Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153009 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [10:55] schestowitz bradchaus: will be interesting to see what happens when the dad is dead [10:55] schestowitz and what they do next [10:56] techrights-news NEWS #TheGrayZone #WikiLeaks Julian #Assange spends 50th birthday in prison Protesters demand freedom for WikiLeaks journalist https://thegrayzone.com/2021/07/03/julian-assange-50-birthday-prison/ [10:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | Julian Assange spends 50th birthday in prison - Protesters demand freedom for WikiLeaks journalist | The Grayzone [10:56] bradchaus hopefully News Corp will implode ... [10:56] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #WikiLeaks Redeem American Ideals: US Government Must End the Political Prosecution of Julian #Assange https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/07/03/redeem-american-ideals-us-government-must-end-political-prosecution-julian-assange [10:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Redeem American Ideals: US Government Must End the Political Prosecution of Julian Assange | Nozomi Hayase [10:57] schestowitz bradchaus: the bigots it created won't go away [10:58] bradchaus unfortunately not [10:58] schestowitz they'll turn to the next conglomerates that feeds their bigotry [10:58] schestowitz when you create a bigot it takes a lot of time and effort to deprogramme [10:58] schestowitz poor-shaming, xenophobia, sexism... [10:58] bradchaus if its even possible [10:58] schestowitz it helps legitimise worst elements in society [10:59] schestowitz "election fraud" [10:59] bradchaus China is laughing at us ... and rightly so [10:59] bradchaus well, the CCP ● Jul 04 [11:00] techrights-news NEWS #TimesHigherEducation #Patents Nobelist: scrap patent system and publicly fund drug discovery https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/nobelist-scrap-patent-system-and-publicly-fund-drug-discovery [11:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Nobelist: scrap patent system and publicly fund drug discovery | Times Higher Education (THE) [11:00] bradchaus i dont mean to infer all chinese people there [11:01] techrights-news "The billionaires pandemic investments, like much of his work, remain a secret." https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ #billgates #patents #monopoly #greed #crime [11:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation [11:02] bradchaus G8's missus saw the light [11:03] schestowitz china worked hard for decades [11:03] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 36.35 swarm size (avg): 307.24 [11:03] schestowitz so did japan, for that matter....and taiwan [11:04] schestowitz The longterm price of outsourced manufacturing of goods is a rotting economy [11:04] schestowitz [12:57] Wnenever the government and the #corporateMedia speak of "unemployment" be sure to point out Work Participation Rate is the ACTUAL number of importance (and things are GRIM) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workforce [11:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Workforce - Wikipedia [11:04] schestowitz [13:00] Example: "As of 2010 in the United States, 123 million women age 16 years and over have worked in the U.S., 72 million, or 58.6 percent, were working or looking for work." That means over 41% were in effect unemployed, either unable or unwilling but over time more are unable as there are no jobs. That's the REAL unemployment rate. Don't let 'news' papers lie to you or shame/stigmatise those not working. [11:04] bradchaus I have worked with many people of chinese nationality over my 50 years in IT ... they have ALL been decent people ... none of them supported the CCP "in teir heart" [11:05] schestowitz they can say that when they're outside China [11:05] bradchaus exactly [11:07] techrights-news NEWS #NPR #Disinformation #Misinformation How Pro-Trump Local News Sites Keep Pushing 2020 Election Misinformation https://text.npr.org/1011916687 [11:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | How Pro-Trump Local News Sites Keep Pushing 2020 Election Misinformation [11:07] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:07] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:08] activelow at the age of 16 years teenagers belong into school, university or some job training [11:08] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [11:08] activelow and it isn't a gender issue, it is related to education [11:08] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [11:12] activelow if the unemployment data is normalized against type of education chosen or lack thereof, then the gender-specific discrepancy is almost insignificant [11:13] bradchaus seen this schestowitz? ... https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/04/15/assa-a15.html [11:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Australian Labor Party conference passes mealy-mouthed motion defending Assange - World Socialist Web Site [11:31] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:32] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:39] cow_2001 what was the alyx website? something like savegnu.org? [11:40] schestowitz activelow: I cited female stats as they're more worrying in the rates context [11:40] schestowitz like 42% 'unemployment' in the US [11:40] schestowitz For men it's not a lot better [11:41] schestowitz bradchaus: better than nothing, I guess [11:41] schestowitz the political defenders of Assange were removed [11:41] schestowitz for like, being in NZ or Taz until some small age [11:43] cow_2001 shit, not alyx, leah [11:45] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [11:45] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [11:54] activelow schestowitz: ok. youth unemployment is another such marker (with records up to 50% in the glorious Eurozone). [11:56] *psydroid_ (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [11:57] activelow excess deficit spendings and youth unemployment of up to 50% -> Merkel-EU ● Jul 04 [12:04] immibis activelow: capitalism will not allow that to happen. If you are not making money you do not deserve to live [12:06] activelow immibis: ??? [12:08] techrights-news Links 4/7/2021: EndeavourOS Reviewed, Another Windows Security Catastrophe Unveiled in Holiday Weekend (Kaseya VSA) http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/kaseya-vsa-catastrophe/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/kaseya-vsa-catastrophe/ [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/7/2021: EndeavourOS Reviewed, Another Windows Security Catastrophe Unveiled in Holiday Weekend (Kaseya VSA) | Techrights [12:09] immibis activelow: if you are capable of working and do not work, you are not permitted to exist [12:09] immibis giving those people permission to exist would be socialism [12:09] techrights-news #Microsoft , #ProprietarySoftware , and #Security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153010 #TuxMachines [12:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft, Proprietary Software, and Security | Tux Machines [12:10] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153011 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [12:10] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153012 [12:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [12:12] schestowitz activelow: I think it was a tongue in cheek remark from immibis [12:21] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [12:31] *search_social has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:35] techrights-news Techrights Wiki and #GeminiProtocol (Work in Progress) http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/techrights-wiki-in-gemini/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/techrights-wiki-in-gemini/ [12:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Wiki and Gemini Protocol (Work in Progress) | Techrights [12:52] techrights-news #30,000 Comments in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153013 #TuxMachines [12:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 30,000 Comments | Tux Machines [12:56] *inky (~inky@87.241.128.107) has joined #techrights ● Jul 04 [13:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.26 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 86.01 swarm size (avg): 307.17 [13:04] techrights-news #RichardStallman 2019 Speech: Are We Facing Surveillance Like in China? (Frankfurt, Germany) http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/surveillance-like-in-china/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/surveillance-like-in-china/ [13:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2019 Speech: Are We Facing Surveillance Like in China? (Frankfurt, Germany) | Techrights [13:15] techrights-news #microsoft wants you to know that the solution to all your problems is right around the corner; just stay with #windows http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/microsoft-will-fix-everything/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/microsoft-will-fix-everything/ [13:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Microsoft Will Fix Everything, Eventually | Techrights [13:18] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:18] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:24] Librarian immibis: the words in quotation marks are "freedom is slavery." [13:25] Librarian immibis: I am not a fucking liar, so therefore I *cannot* admit that I want to forcibly impose myself on your free choice, because it isn't true. I don't spew out patently-false things like that, the way socialists do [13:27] immibis Librarian: why should I care about the etymology of some random phrase? [13:27] immibis You are spewing out the patently false thing that you don't want to forcibly impose yourself on my free choice [13:27] Librarian It's not random. It's what you've attempted to do here for days. [13:27] Librarian No I'm not. You just made that up. [13:28] Librarian It's wrong. That's why you just repeat the same thing over and over again without ever identifying what it is I'm supposed to be forcing you to do. [13:28] Librarian Because you're just inventing it, as a pure fiction. [13:30] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [13:30] Librarian And that's useful, because it illustrates how psychopathic *all* socialists are (if they're not already quietly and peacefully living their socialist ideals on a kibbutz or commune). There are *zero* socialists (outside of said kibbutzim or communes) who are any more truthful or ethical than you. They're all every bit as horrible, every bit as violent, every bit as greedy, and every bit as much a [13:30] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [13:30] Librarian fucking liar as you are. [13:30] Librarian That's why anyone who's intelligent or ethical cannot share your socialist ideals. Because you have to be a really unintelligent and dishonest person to agree with you. [13:32] immibis Librarian: I don't remember saying "freedom is slavery" and my scrollback buffer agrees [13:32] immibis so, it is some random phrase introduced by you [13:33] Librarian You did, however, attempt to conflate the definitions of those two words. [13:33] Librarian In exactly the same brainwashing attempt that was documented in the origin of that phrase. [13:33] immibis It seems to me that you are the one who is trying to say that your forcible imposition of your will on me is freedom, not slavery. [13:33] Librarian So it would be useful for you to see, when you do that, what totalitarian brainwashing regime you are embodying. [13:34] immibis have you considered the possibility that you might be wrong? [13:34] Librarian It "seems to you" wrongly, because I have hever done that, which is why you're reduced to repeating that accusation over and over and over again, without ever once saying what I'm trying to forcefully impose on you. [13:35] Librarian That's how we know it's pure fiction. That it's simply a fucking lie, as you violent, greedy, psychopathic socialists always do. [13:36] immibis Librarian: you are trying to forcefully impose on me the idea that I can't take your TV [13:36] immibis whereas in a totally free society, I could do anything I wanted, such as taking your TV [13:37] immibis schestowitz: is it though? if you aren't a minor living with your parents, then paying rent is basically getting permission to exist [13:37] immibis as a non-homeless person [13:37] immibis and if you *are* homeless you cannot do very much, including the things you'd need to do to stop being homeless [13:37] Librarian Is your dictating upon me that my labor must result in *you* getting a new TV: A. "totally free" or B. "a forceful imposition?" [13:38] Librarian If you deprive me of a choice in the question of who benefits from my labor, A. "totally free" or B. "a forceful imposition?" [13:39] immibis Librarian: I'm not dictating anything about your labour [13:39] techrights-news Talk About #FreeSoftware on This Software Independence Day http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/software-independence-day/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/software-independence-day/ [13:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Talk About Free Software on This Software Independence Day | Techrights [13:39] immibis you are free to work as much or as little as you want, in any field you want [13:40] Librarian And to whose benefit? [13:40] schestowitz immibis: depends on the country [13:40] immibis up to you [13:41] Librarian Well, that was a very long conversation for you to figure out the exact problem with socialist. [13:41] Librarian *socialism. [13:41] Librarian Glad you were able to come around, to realize its fundamental problem. [13:41] Librarian You should agree with me sooner next time... it will save you a lot of destroyed credibility. :D [13:42] techrights-news The hoax news site (actually a marketing firm disguised as a publisher) is very selective in the way it covers GNU/Linux http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/linux-zdnet-bad/ [13:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What ZDNet is Teaching Us About Linux | Techrights [13:42] Librarian Now, if you want to save and rebuild that credibility you've destroyed over weeks, I suggest you move to a peaceful, voluntary kibbutz, where you can live with *intelligent* and *truthful* socialists. [13:42] techrights-news #Geminiprotocol (sending pages over gemini://) is growingly a priority for us; at the moment we explore ways to make the Techrights Wiki available over gemini:// (without manual work) http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/techrights-wiki-in-gemini/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/techrights-wiki-in-gemini/ [13:43] immibis who said anything about socialism, other than you? [13:43] Librarian You did, obviously. :D [13:43] immibis ah, several days ago regarding rival and non-rival goods: Capitalists try to treat the latter like the former; socialists try to treat the former like the latter. [13:44] Librarian You might not have been aware of it, because you don't know how to look up words in a dictionary. [13:44] immibis not sure what that has to do with any of this either [13:44] techrights-news July 15th, 2019 talk by #RMS (two months before that MIT phony scandal, which distracted from what Bill Gates had done in MIT with J. Epstein) http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/surveillance-like-in-china/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/surveillance-like-in-china/ [13:44] Librarian Illiteracy is a bitch, but fortunately, I have some logs to help other people learn from your inability to use words according to how dictionaries say everyone else means them. [13:44] immibis so how do you justify forcefully imposing yourself on my free choice, and saying that your imposition creates more freedom for me, not less? [13:45] Librarian I haven't forcefully imposed myself on your free choice. That's just a made-up fiction. [13:45] immibis when you say "no, you can't do that" that is an imposition. If you use force to prevent me from doing that, it's a forceful imposition. [13:45] Librarian In fact you even agreed with me, about free choice, when you wrote: [13:45] techrights-news Considering the growth of #GNU / #Linux and considering the growing threat to our #freedom (TPM, #UEFI secure boot, surveillance down to the level of keystrokes) we need to accelerate or amplify GNU/Linux advocacy http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/software-independence-day/ [13:45] Librarian 06:39 < immibis> Librarian: I'm not dictating anything about your labour [13:45] Librarian 06:39 < immibis> you are free to work as much or as little as you want, in any field you want [13:45] Librarian 06:40 < Librarian> And to whose benefit? [13:45] Librarian 06:40 < immibis> up to you [13:46] immibis how does that constitute an agreement that you imposing your ideas with force is good for freedom? [13:47] Librarian I have never said that imposing my ideas with force is good for freedom. That's just another symptom of you being a psychopathic fucking liar. [13:47] immibis then what is the thing you want me to agree with? [13:48] Librarian 06:39 < immibis> Librarian: I'm not dictating anything about your labour [13:48] Librarian 06:39 < immibis> you are free to work as much or as little as you want, in any field you want [13:48] Librarian 06:40 < Librarian> And to whose benefit? [13:48] Librarian 06:40 < immibis> up to you [13:48] immibis you want me to agree that you are free to work as much or as little as you want, in any field you want? [13:48] Librarian But, just so we're clear, let's go back to that question you were terrified to answer just a few minutes ago: please answer it honestly now. [13:49] Librarian Is your dictating to me that my labor must result in *you* getting a new TV: A. "totally free" or B. "a forceful imposition?" [13:50] Librarian Don't be scared now! If you truly believe that whose benefit my labor is for is "up to me," as you wrote, then this should be simple for you to answer! [13:50] Librarian Is your dictating to me that my labor must result in *you* getting a new TV: A. "totally free" or B. "a forceful imposition?" [13:50] immibis the question doesn't make sense [13:50] immibis well. actually it does make sense but it's irrelevant because it's an if-then statement with a false if [13:50] Librarian Oopsie! Looks like you're still terrified to answer. [13:50] Librarian Looks like it's causing you cognitve dissonance. [13:50] immibis if it happened, it would be a forceful imposition [13:51] Librarian Good, good! That's how "hypothetical" questions work. [13:51] Librarian Glad you were able to learn something new today. :D [13:51] immibis luckily for me, I made no such claim. [13:51] immibis would you care to explain the relevance? [13:51] Librarian Correct; and that's why the TV I worked to earn is mine, and not yours. [13:52] Librarian Because, as you finally agreed with me, whom my labor benefits is "up to me", and NOT up to you. [13:52] Librarian I determine who benefits from my labor, you determine who benefits from your labor, and we can get along peacefully just fine. That is "freedom." [13:52] Librarian But if you attempt to forcefully impose the idea that my labor must benefit you, then that's "slavery." [13:52] Librarian That's how freedom and slavery are different from each other. [13:52] immibis So what does this have to do with your denial of my ability to take it from you? [13:53] Librarian And that's why you have no credibility left: because you stupidly attempted to conflate the definitions of those two words. [13:53] Librarian If you attempt to take it from me without my consent, then that constitutes your forceful imposition of your decision of who benefits from my labor. [13:54] techrights-news If media hysteria about variants is supposed to speed up vaccination and reduce hesitancy I think they may be missing the point; each time a variant or mutant is mentioned it contributes to this preconception that existing vaccines aren't so effective (or not for long), so sceptics wait even longer. In that regard, it is an own goal, IMHO. [13:54] Librarian My TV is my benefit from my labor. [13:54] Librarian So, I get to choose who gets it. [13:54] Librarian If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. [13:55] immibis if you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product. (Nothing to do with labour!) [13:55] Librarian That means you're enslaving me. That's the opposite of "totally free." [13:56] Librarian Of course it has something to do with labor. I labored to earn my TV. [13:56] Librarian I just told you that above. [13:56] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [13:56] immibis No, your TV is a TV. [13:56] Librarian You didn't know that people get TVs by earning money with their labor? [13:56] immibis There are many ways people can get TVs [13:57] immibis earning money is not one of them. Spending money is. [13:57] Librarian Not everybody is a looter, like socialists are. [13:57] Librarian Most peaceful people actually *do* acquire their TVs by working for them. [13:57] immibis working is not one of them. Spending money is. [13:57] immibis even more accurately, buying a TV is one way. [13:58] Librarian Money is just a symbol of labor performed that others value. [13:58] immibis a "symbol"? [13:58] Librarian To get the money to buy a TV, they have to labor, or benefit from someone else's labor. [13:58] Librarian And it has to be labor that created value for another person. [13:59] Librarian May I suggest taking an Economics 101 class? This concept is really, really basic. [13:59] immibis There are many ways people can get money. Working for a wage or salary is one of them. [13:59] Librarian And most of the other ways are also the result of *someone else* working for a wage or salary (or for themselves) and then consensually giving another person the results of their labor. ● Jul 04 [14:00] Librarian It's only a tiny minority of people who get theirs by non-consensual means, and that's how we tell who the psychopaths are. [14:00] immibis If you can get away with printing money, you're objectively stupid for choosing to work for money instead of printing it [14:01] Librarian They say about 1% of the population suffers from your mental illness. [14:01] Librarian Unfortunately, centralized systems of control over money supply *attract* people who suffer from your psychopathy. [14:01] immibis I can see why you're banned from the *real* techrights channel. You're incapable of discussing objective facts without devolving into name-calling [14:02] Librarian I'm not banned from any techrights channel. [14:02] Librarian I'm in one of them right now. [14:02] Librarian I just don't give psychopaths positions of power over me, so I don't say anything there. [14:02] immibis "everyone I don't like is a psychopath" [14:02] immibis see, name-calling. Now would you like to get back on topic? [14:02] Librarian I gave very specific reasons why I believe you're a psychopath. I have presented my evidence. [14:02] Librarian It has nothing to do with me liking you or not liking you. [14:03] immibis you gave literally no reasons [14:03] Librarian It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." [14:03] Librarian It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." [14:03] Librarian It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." [14:03] Librarian It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." [14:03] Librarian It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." [14:03] Librarian It's because you dodge and dissemble instead of answering simple questions, like what constitutes an "imposition by force" vs. "totally free." [14:03] schestowitz immibis: he complains about invalid things [14:03] Librarian Would you like me to give my reasons a few more times? [14:03] immibis not answering questions doesn't make someone a psychopath. LMFAO [14:03] schestowitz he was being abusive to someone, who then asked for action [14:04] Librarian It depends on the content of the question, and its answers. [14:04] immibis in fact, not answering ONE question doesn't make someone a psychopath. LMFFAO [14:04] schestowitz he was then muted for a while and things cooled down [14:04] Librarian That's why I craft my questions very carefully. [14:04] schestowitz only him and the Google troll [14:04] Librarian It's to detect psychopaths. And I have detected your psychopathy. [14:04] schestowitz he, unlike the Google troll, did not seek to undermine the site [14:04] schestowitz but I regret that he rubbed some people the wrong way [14:04] Librarian I don't make up accusations at random. I provide clear evidence. [14:05] immibis Explain why it is not an imposition by force, when you use force to impose on me that I can't take your TV [14:06] Librarian I will paste it ten times, so you canot miss it. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. [14:06] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> So, I get to choose who gets it. [14:07] Librarian 06:54 < Librarian> If you deprive me of that choice, then you're forcefully imposing your will about the product and benefit of my labor. [14:07] Librarian Now, let me ask you the question back, to make sure you were able to see and read my answer: [14:07] Librarian Why is it my choice, who gets to benefit from my TV? [14:08] immibis because you're the one who possesses the TV [14:08] immibis To say anyone other than the possessor can make that choice, implies a forceful imposition [14:10] Librarian But to say anyone other than the *earner* can make that choice, is also a forceful imposition. [14:10] Librarian So that's why the person who earned it with their labor, gets that choice. [14:11] Librarian I can buy a TV with the results of my labor, and then give it to someone as a gift. They get to possess it because I consented to their possession of it, as the earner. [14:11] Librarian So earning something by choosing to labor for it is not a forceful imposition. [14:11] Librarian That's why I copied and pasted my answer over and over again, so you couldn't miss it. I said: [14:11] Librarian 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:11] immibis Not quite. The fact that the possessor can move or destroy the thing is dictated by the laws of physics. [14:11] Librarian 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:11] Librarian 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:11] Librarian 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:11] Librarian 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:11] Librarian 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:12] Librarian 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:12] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [14:12] Librarian 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:12] immibis Any other rule requires a forceful imposition that is unphysical [14:12] Librarian 07:06 < Librarian> 06:54 < Librarian> My TV is my benefit from my labor. [14:12] Librarian Did you catch my answer that ime? [14:12] immibis Repeating things (like a psychopath) doesn't make them more relevant. [14:12] Librarian No, repeating things is not a symptom of psychopathy. [14:12] Librarian Making up new definitions of words to justify your behavior is. [14:12] immibis If the laws of physics allow me to do something, but you will shoot me if I do it, then you are making a forceful imposition on me. Is this a valid axiom? [14:13] Librarian No. There are also basic laws of ethics as well. [14:13] Librarian They are created by conscious beings just for the purpose of ensuring no one has to make forceful impositions. [14:13] *inky (~inky@46.162.236.87) has joined #techrights [14:13] Librarian If you follow them, no forceful impositions are necessary. [14:13] Librarian If you break them, forceful impositions are now necessary. [14:14] Librarian Here is one such list, starting with rule 1: http://craftyserpent.com/?page_id=8 [14:16] immibis created by conscious beings, you say. Which conscious beings created them? [14:16] immibis specifically, which conscious beING? [14:17] Librarian Everyone who desires to live peacefully with others. [14:18] techrights-news [Meme] Hiring for Brains, Not for Hairs http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/hiring-for-brains/ #Techrights #GNU GNOME #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/hiring-for-brains/ [14:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Hiring for Brains, Not for Hairs | Techrights [14:19] Librarian That explanation was under rule #0, in the link I provided to you. If you had read it, it would have been unnecessary for you to ask me that question. [14:25] immibis If I have to follow some rules under threat of force, that's a forceful imposition [14:26] techrights-news Uber-aggressive #patenttroll #Sisvel weaponised by "107 patents for the LTE standard." https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/game-over-in-sisvel-and-xiaomis-global-sep-dispute/ the public pays for this aggression (hidden toll) [14:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Game over in Sisvel and Xiaomi's global SEP dispute - JUVE Patent [14:27] Librarian But if they will only be enforced back on you if you do them to others, then you have nothing to worry about. (See rule #3 on the link I gave you.) [14:27] immibis Librarian: it works like this: I exist. The laws of physics exist. If I can't do something, but the laws of physics say I can, that's a forceful imposition by someone or something. [14:27] Librarian It's just like the Christians who say, "but without a god telling us not to, why wouldn't we all be mass-murderers?" [14:27] immibis The laws of physics say I can take your TV [14:27] Librarian That's how we know they're psychopaths. Because 99% of us don't *want* to be mass murderers. [14:28] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] Librarian Similarly, 99% of us don't *want* to dictate to others whom we should be laboring for. [14:28] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:28] techrights-news We need to focus on technical discussions and hire accordingly; this really ought not be a controversial position to hold http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/hiring-for-brains/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/hiring-for-brains/ [14:28] Librarian If you do, then you would have to "impose by force" *your* will on somebody else first. [14:29] techrights-news The July 2021 Issue of the #PCLinuxOS Magazine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153014 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The July 2021 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine | Tux Machines [14:29] Librarian And that's not "freedom," much less "total freedom." [14:29] Librarian That's called "enslavement." [14:30] immibis If people choose not to be mass murderers, that's a free choce. If people *can't* be mass murderers, that's a forceful imposition. See the difference? [14:30] immibis choice* [14:30] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [14:31] Librarian What's the name of the mental illness in which you failed to recognize that "choosing to be a mass murderer" is itself a forceful imposition? :D [14:32] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [14:33] immibis we again result to name-calling [14:33] Librarian No we don't. Stop making up pure fictions. [14:33] Librarian You really, honestly did fail to recognize that "choosing to be a mass murderer" is itself an imposition of force. [14:34] Librarian And that's a mental illness, whose name you appear now to be terrified to state. [14:34] Librarian It apparently causes you intense, possibly even physically-painful cognitive dissonance. [14:35] immibis What's the name of the mental illness in which you failed to recognize that all possible outcomes involve impositions of force? [14:36] Librarian "Truthfulness." And that's not a mental illness. It is entirely possible (and a very commonly-practiced) outcome to leave others alone, except for consensual interactions. [14:37] techrights-news " #Motrix can handle up to 10 active downloads at once, and it can also accelerate download speeds by splitting the files into multiple parts, making it faster than downloading through a regular web browser." #gnu #linux https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202107/page04.html [14:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com | PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 4 [14:37] Librarian Most people go to work every day, earn some money, spend it at stores, pay their rent, enjoy time with their family, participate in recreation, and enjoy their lives without ever forcefully imposing their will on others. [14:37] Librarian You could have known that your mass-murderer "choice" was itself an imposition of force by reading rule 1.1.1. on the link I gave you. [14:37] immibis failing to recognize true facts is called truthfulenss? [14:37] immibis weird [14:38] Librarian Here it is directly: http://craftyserpent.com/?page_id=8#rule1.1.1 [14:38] Librarian You don't say true facts. You make up falsehoods instead. [14:38] Librarian You've proven that to us over and over again. [14:38] Librarian If you want to say you're sorry for that now, we can start to rebuild your credibility. [14:39] Librarian But until then, you're going to have to provide dictionary definitions, wikipedia articles, lists of ethical constratints, etc. as evidence of your opinion as I have done. [14:39] Librarian Your mere assertions will always be taken as lies, because you have never done so, as I have. [14:39] Librarian s/contratints/constraints/ [14:39] techrights-news The Dangerous Liaisons Of Big Tech Companies https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202107/page02.html #microsoft #china #oracle #evil #oppression [14:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com | PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 2 [14:39] immibis Can you admit that me mass murdering people is my free choice (while imposing on others) and me being prevented from mass murdering is an imposition on me? [14:40] Librarian It is, by definition, an imposition of force. [14:41] Librarian Murdering people is forcefully imposing on others. [14:41] Librarian Can you repeat that back to me, so I can be sure you understand that simple, basic fact? [14:41] immibis Good, so you agree with the second part. Do you also agree with the first and third parts or would that be too much cognitive dissonance for you? [14:42] immibis you can't agree because dissonance, can't disagree because they're true, so you remain silent [14:43] Librarian It's not cognitive dissonance if it's straight deference to https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force definition 3. [14:43] Librarian I have now cited the dictionary to support the idea that murder is, itself, an imposition of force. [14:44] Librarian Now, there were slave-owners in the American south in the 1850s who insisted that their imposition of force on the labor of others was their "freedom." [14:44] Librarian Do you remember what happened to them? [14:45] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [14:46] techrights-news " #FreeNode is considered the IRC home to numerous FOSS projects, including #PCLinuxOS ." https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202107/page08.html [14:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com | PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 8 [14:47] Librarian Also see: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom definitions 1a and 1b [14:47] XRevan86 weirdos [14:47] immibis why are you trying to disprove that murder is an imposition of force? I never claimed otherwise [14:47] XRevan86 What are those numerous FOSS projects? [14:47] immibis to prove, rather [14:48] techrights-news tl;dr: Because of the clowns who ran #FreeNode into the ground #PCLinuxOS left #IRC altogether [14:48] Librarian Hahahaha... I don't believe that was a typo on your part. :D [14:48] immibis these irrelevant tangents are a symptom of psychosis [14:48] schestowitz XRevan86: read the article [14:48] Librarian You have too often attempted to reverse the meanings of words in that way. [14:48] schestowitz not just the opening para [14:48] XRevan86 schestowitz: I ended reading it at exactly the moment when they talk about leaving %) [14:49] Librarian But, you go ahead and wage your war against Merriam-Webster, to get them to remove definition 1a from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom [14:49] Librarian When you are successful in your campaign, perhaps we will have more to discuss. [14:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: The summary is full of inaccuracies. [14:50] Librarian Until then, your insistence that coercion == freedom will be taken as a symptom of your mental illness. [14:50] immibis don't believe I claimed anything contrary to definition 1a. Maybe you should stop tilting at windmills and start actually arguing [14:50] schestowitz I want to write about freenode this month [14:50] schestowitz but it might run afoul of being on the 'free zone' that's today's freenode [14:50] schestowitz walking on eggshells [14:50] XRevan86 XMPP MUCs are less flexible when it comes to channel management, as MinceR rightfully pointed out before. [14:50] Librarian But what you need to know in the meantime is that... 99% of people who do not suffer from your mental illness do not waste their time attempting to register disagreement with https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom definition 1a. [14:50] immibis in fact, definition 1a explicitly says that if I am constrained to not be a mass murderer, then I do not have freedom [14:51] XRevan86 ChanServ is a non-user-friendly but powerful tool. [14:51] schestowitz at work we used jabber this way [14:51] schestowitz it was noticeably inferior to IRC [14:51] schestowitz not just because you needed to manually set up accounts for people [14:51] schestowitz I used pidgin [14:52] schestowitz [18:29] the three taps of doom http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152990 #irc #slack #ptsd [14:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | the three taps of doom | Tux Machines [14:52] XRevan86 Accounts and S2S are pretty good stuff though. [14:52] Librarian Wrong. It doesn't differentiate between who's being coerced or who's doing the coercion. [14:52] XRevan86 That's how XMPP MUCs manage to stay way more decentralised than IRC. [14:52] Librarian Coercion != freedom. You just invented that; it isn't stated in the definition. [14:52] schestowitz That's ar1d1ne using irc for shit ("Slack") access before they cut off the bridges [14:52] Librarian You made it up off the top of your head. [14:52] Librarian You created it as a pure fiction. [14:52] immibis You make no sense here [14:52] Librarian Go complain to merriam-webster then. [14:53] Librarian I'm just citing them, as they attempt to represent how the word is most commonly used. [14:53] immibis Indeed coercion != freedom. If I am being coerced, I do not have freedom. [14:54] Librarian And if you are *doing* the coercion, then you are not practicing freedom. [14:54] Librarian That's the opposite of freedom. [14:54] XRevan86 > It's more secure, even if just for the fact that it requires users to have an account, which means that users have had some sort of vetting just to be able to connect. [14:54] Librarian But, I'm open to evidence. Show me your dictionaries that say that it is. [14:55] XRevan86 The only actual vetting this implies is having a domain name. [14:55] immibis Who said "practicing" freedom? If I am able to do the coercion, then I *have* the freedom to do the coercion [14:55] Librarian That's using the term exactly the opposite of how most people mean it. [14:55] XRevan86 Which is already something, I agree. But it's not as strong a measure as +r on IRC. [14:56] Librarian But, I'm open to evidence. Show me your dictionaries that say that practicing coercion fits the definition of freedom. [14:56] immibis So in your made-up fairy world, totalitarian socialist dictators are not free? [14:56] Librarian Nah, this real world, right here, right now. Show me your evidence. [14:57] XRevan86 > As you might imagine, the Libera Chat folks have been slammed with requests, and now have a backlog of new channel requests. [14:57] immibis Totalitarian socialist dictators are not free? Chairman Mao was not free? [14:57] techrights-news #Social controlmedia is a cesspool where #misinformation can spread fast, without challenge, but when you're an overzealous lawyer of #monopolists you worry about 'counterfeiting' instead (competition) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sh1kzw471khr/id-checks-and-ts-and-cs-in-house-reveal-social-media-wish-list [14:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | ID checks and Ts and Cs: in-house reveal social media wish list | Managing Intellectual Property [14:57] Librarian Hey man, languages change, right? Definitions shift over time, right? So surely there are dozens of sources out there you could cite, to illustrate that most people use "freedom" to mean violent coercion. [14:57] Librarian Go ahead; cite them now! [14:57] XRevan86 Even though they have a backlog, they're very accomodating and would have helped to get the op status much sooner. [14:58] techrights-news #Russia adopts #law that shakes #Cognac and #Champagne importers http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/07/russia-adopts-law-that-shakes-cognac.html [14:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Russia adopts law that shakes Cognac and Champagne importers - The IPKat [14:58] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [14:59] XRevan86 Only Russian Champagne can be called Champagne now. [14:59] Librarian Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." [14:59] XRevan86 Champagne Champagne is no longer Champagne. [14:59] Librarian That's a symptom of psychopathy. If it were a common usage, you would have cited your sources that say so. [14:59] Librarian But you didn't, because the only people who share your usage of the word "freedom" are the 1% who suffer from psychopathy. ● Jul 04 [15:00] Librarian But, I'm open to evidence! You're welcome to share it, still. [15:00] XRevan86 All non-Russian ones are now obligated to be called sparkling wine. [15:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.33 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 27.40 swarm size (avg): 307.00 [15:01] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [15:02] immibis here, I'll say it 10 times [15:02] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [15:02] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [15:02] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [15:02] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [15:02] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [15:02] XRevan86 Moet Hennessy said that they're not going to rebrand as sparkling wine and will just stop exporting to Russia. [15:02] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [15:02] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [15:02] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [15:02] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [15:02] immibis your ill mind is unable to comprehend the distinction between being coerced, and coercing another person [15:02] Librarian And, what did I say when you said that the first time? [15:02] Librarian Were you able to read it? [15:02] Librarian Or do you lack that ability? [15:02] Librarian Here it is again: [15:02] techrights-news #Darktable 3.6 is Here with Full Rework of the Import Module http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152985#comment-30140 [15:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Darktable 3.6 Open-Source RAW Image Editor Released with Many New Features | Tux Machines [15:02] Librarian 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." [15:03] Librarian So, I addressed that already. [15:03] XRevan86 And of course the link contains all of that information already. [15:03] Librarian Did that frustrate you? [15:03] Librarian Did it make you feel sad, that I was already able to refute that? [15:03] techrights-news The Dangerous Liaisons Of #BigTech Companies http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153015 [15:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Dangerous Liaisons Of Big Tech Companies | Tux Machines [15:03] Librarian Did it make you feel angry? [15:03] Librarian Did it make you feel many other symptoms of cognitive dissonance? [15:03] immibis so what? 99% of the population don't apply the word "software" to the Linux kernel [15:04] Librarian That's obviously false. Everyone I know knows the difference between software and hardware. [15:04] techrights-news " #Noita running through Steam Play on Linux. As mentioned, it just works!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31STcamDlOU #games #gnu #linux [15:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Noita on Linux | Ubuntu 20.04 | Steam Play - YouTube [15:04] immibis do you know 99% of the population? [15:04] Librarian I would challenge you to show evidence, but we both know you can't provide any. [15:04] Librarian You don't support any of your assertions with evidence. :D [15:05] immibis do you know 99% of the population? [15:05] techrights-news Godot Engine - Godot XR progress update June 2021 https://godotengine.org/article/godot-xr-progress-update-june-2021 #godotengine | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest #games #gaming [15:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Godot XR progress update June 2021 [15:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:05] Librarian I know that 99% of the population doesn't suffer from your psychopathy. [15:05] Librarian I have seen studies about the frequency of psychopathy. [15:05] immibis do you know 99% of the population? [15:06] Librarian Yes, I know some facts about 99% of the population. [15:06] Librarian https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00984/full [15:06] techrights-news Top New #Games You Can Play With #gnu #linux (over Proton) Since June 2021 https://boilingsteam.com/top-new-games-you-can-play-with-proton-since-june-2021/ [15:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Top New Games You Can Play With Proton Since June 2021 - Boiling Steam [15:06] immibis do you know 99% of the population? [15:06] Librarian The prevalence of psychopathy is estimated at about 1% in the general population (Neumann and Hare, 2008; Coid et al., 2009a) [15:06] Librarian Yes, I know some facts about 99% of the population. [15:06] Librarian The prevalence of psychopathy is estimated at about 1% in the general population (Neumann and Hare, 2008; Coid et al., 2009a) [15:06] immibis so you do not know 99% of the population? so you lied? [15:07] Librarian I know the facts about 99% of the population that I cited. [15:07] immibis The fact that you refuse to answer the question means you do not know 99% of the population. [15:07] Librarian I know them to the extent that I provided evidence. [15:07] immibis Here, let me send the question again in case you forgot. [15:07] immibis do you know 99% of the population? [15:07] Librarian How much evidence did you cite to support your assertion? [15:07] Librarian Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. [15:07] immibis How many times are you going to avoid directly answering the question? [15:07] immibis Ah! A direct answer! A "yes"! [15:08] Librarian Never. I have answered it. [15:08] immibis So you do know 99% of the population [15:08] Librarian Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. [15:08] immibis Can you tell me Joseph Isabel's phone number? [15:08] immibis or is he part of the 1%? [15:08] Librarian No; it was not listed in the evidence I cited. [15:08] Librarian 08:08 < Librarian> Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. [15:08] immibis So you don't know Joseph Isabel? [15:09] Librarian Now then: 08:07 < Librarian> How much evidence did you cite to support your assertion? [15:09] immibis So you don't know Joseph Isabel? [15:09] Librarian 08:08 < Librarian> Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. [15:09] immibis You do know him, to the extent that you provided supporting evidence? [15:09] Librarian 08:08 < Librarian> Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. [15:09] techrights-news #RaspberryPi Digital Signage 16.0 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153016 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Digital Signage 16.0 released | Tux Machines [15:09] immibis Linux is hardware, to the extent that I provided supporting evidence. [15:10] immibis It's a useless statement. [15:10] Librarian Right: you never provide supporting evidence of anything you believe, ever. [15:10] immibis Is it a "yes" or a "no"? [15:10] Librarian So everything you ever assert can be dismissed as wrong. [15:10] Librarian Because you've been caught lying, over and over again. [15:10] Librarian This is concisely summed up as "Hitchens's Razor." [15:10] immibis Is it a "yes" or a "no"? [15:11] *inky (~inky@46.162.236.87) has joined #techrights [15:11] Librarian You define "knowing someone" as "having their phone number memorized." [15:11] immibis No, I do not. [15:11] immibis Is it a "yes" or a "no"? [15:11] Librarian Does anyone share your definition, or did you just make it up as a distraction due to your intense cognitive dissonance? [15:11] immibis Is it a "yes" or a "no"? [15:11] Librarian Then, why did you ask me that? [15:11] immibis Is it a "yes" or a "no"? [15:12] Librarian Is what a "yes" or a "no?" The sentence you wrote before you started asking me that ended with a period. It was a statement of assertion. [15:12] Librarian 08:10 < immibis> It's a useless statement. [15:12] immibis Do you know 99% of the population? "Yes" or "no"? [15:12] Librarian 08:10 < immibis> Is it a "yes" or a "no"? [15:12] Librarian 08:08 < Librarian> Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence. [15:12] immibis Is that a "yes, but"? [15:13] immibis Is "Yes. To the extent that I provided supporting evidence." a "yes" or a "no"? [15:13] Librarian "Knowing" someone is a very vague question. I answered by giving the *exact extent* to which the answer was yes, in order to overcome the vagueness of your question. [15:13] immibis Is "Yes, to an extent" a "yes" or a "no"? [15:13] immibis Is Linux hardware? "Yes, to an extent" [15:13] Librarian You then attempted to narrow the scope by providing just one data point: memorizing their phone numbers. [15:14] immibis Is "Yes, to an extent" a "yes" or a "no"? [15:14] Librarian To *what* extent is Linux considered "hardware?" [15:14] Librarian I gave exactly the extent. You have omitted that part in your attempt to parody my answer back to me. [15:14] Librarian That's because you don't know what extent; cannot provide any evidence of the extent. [15:14] immibis https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know definition b2. Do you know 99% of the population? Yes or no? [15:15] immibis 1b2 [15:15] immibis definition 3 would also suffice [15:15] Librarian Yes, I am "acquainted or familiar with" their chances of suffering from your psychopathy. [15:16] immibis That wasn't the question. [15:16] Librarian Because I have seen (and cited) such evidence of their probability. [15:16] immibis Do you know 99% of the population? [15:16] Librarian Yes, I am "acquainted or familiar with" their chances of suffering from your psychopathy. [15:16] immibis I did not ask "Do you know the chance of suffering from psychopathy of 99% of the population?" [15:16] Librarian So I do know that aspect about them, yes. [15:16] immibis I did ask "Do you know 99% of the population?" [15:16] Librarian Right; you purposefully kept it vague because you are using it as a distraction. [15:16] immibis You are attempting to lie in a most obvious way and you think I am stupid enough to not see it. [15:16] immibis Do you know 99% of the population? [15:17] Librarian I am giving a very precise answer and the evidence by which I arrived at it. [15:17] immibis So you do not know 99% of the population? [15:17] Librarian If you would like to ask, "do you know the phone numbers of 99% of the population," then the answer to that is "no." [15:17] Librarian But that isn't what we were discussing. [15:17] immibis So you do not know 99% of the population? [15:17] Librarian So you are intentionally avoiding saying that, because you don't want your distraction to end. [15:18] immibis I'm waiting for you to give a "yes" or "no" answer to a "yes" or "no" question. [15:18] Librarian I do not know the phone numbers of 99% of the population, but I do know their probability of suffering from the same psychopathy as you. [15:18] immibis YOU are intentionally avoiding saying "yes" or "no" because YOU don't want YOUR distraction to end. [15:18] Librarian So it depends which aspect you are asking about. [15:18] Librarian Are you asking about their phone numbers, or are you asking about their probability of suffering from psychopathy? [15:18] immibis I'm waiting for you to give a "yes" or "no" answer to a "yes" or "no" question. [15:18] immibis I'm asking whether you know them. [15:19] immibis If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you probably don't. [15:19] Librarian I do not know the phone numbers of 99% of the population, but I do know their probability of suffering from the same psychopathy as you. [15:19] Librarian So that's a "no" to the phone numbers, but a "yes" to their chances of suffering from the same psychopathy as you. [15:19] immibis If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you probably don't. [15:19] Librarian It depends what aspect about them you are questioning whether I "know." [15:20] Librarian But you don't want to be that precise, because you're scared. [15:20] immibis If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you probably don't. [15:20] immibis https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know [15:20] immibis the dictionary documents the most common usage of those terms that way. If you don't like it, maybe you can write a sternly-worded letter to Merriam-Webster and get them to change their minds [15:20] Librarian Right, and you won't specify which aspect of them you are asking about. [15:20] immibis If you don't like it, maybe you can write a sternly-worded letter to Merriam-Webster and get them to change their minds [15:20] techrights-news " #GNU #Binutils 2.37 has been branched and the release process initiated for these low-level GNU components likely seeing their v2.37 release later this month." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GNU-Binutils-2.37 [15:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GNU Binutils 2.37 Is On The Way - Finally Drops ARM Symbian OS Support - Phoronix [15:21] Librarian This is because youre cognitve dissonace prevents you from thinkiung precisely, so you can ask precise questions. [15:21] immibis If you don't like it, maybe you can write a sternly-worded letter to Merriam-Webster and get them to change their minds [15:21] Librarian Grrr, lag.... t [15:21] Librarian This is because your cognitive dissonance prevents you from thinking precisely, so you can ask precise questions. [15:21] immibis If you don't like it, maybe you can write a sternly-worded letter to Merriam-Webster and get them to change their minds [15:21] techrights-news #PCLinuxOS : Browsers, IRC Situation, Screenshots, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153019 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PCLinuxOS: Browsers, IRC Situation, Screenshots, and More | Tux Machines [15:21] Librarian I have no disagreement with Merriam-Webster on this. [15:22] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153018 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [15:22] Librarian If you decide which of the many aspects that make up a person, you can ask a more precise question, and I will be able to answer in accordance with Merriam-Webster's definition. [15:22] Librarian The failing is yours, not theirs. [15:22] techrights-news #Games: Noita, #GodotEngine on OpenXR, Boiling Steams Proton Review http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153017 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Noita, Godot Engine on OpenXR, Boiling Steam's Proton Review | Tux Machines [15:22] Librarian So I'm asking you: are you asking about people's phone numbers, or about the probability of sharing your failing of psychopathy? [15:23] Librarian But you won't do that, because what's more important to you right now is that you're feeling like a failure. [15:23] Librarian You're feeling dejected, because you cannot defend the greed and violence that infests your psychopathic mind. [15:23] Librarian You don't have any refutation for any of the links I've provided, so you're frustrated and angry. [15:24] Librarian You cannot provide evidence for your preferred definitions of words. [15:24] immibis You seem to disagree on the vague meaning of "know". I suggest you take it up with Merriam-Webster and get them to change their minds. [15:24] immibis If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you probably don't. [15:24] Librarian Not at all. I don't disagree with them; you just invented that. [15:24] Librarian Because you make up such pure fictions as a fucking liar. [15:24] Librarian That is a symptom of your psychopathy. [15:25] immibis Do you always project this well? I could have a home cinema. [15:25] Librarian I offer it as continued evidence of my assessment of you. [15:25] immibis I think you always project this well. Reliable as clockwork [15:25] Librarian Not at all; I have provided evidence of my assertions. [15:25] Librarian It's not "projection" if I'm providing evidence to back up what I say, but you don't. [15:26] Librarian When I am able to provide such evidence, it means that the things I say would continue to be true, even if I weren't here to say them to you. [15:26] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:26] immibis If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you probably don't. [15:26] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:26] schestowitz XRevan86: Champagne is a town in Russian Federation after all [15:26] Librarian Yeah, but that's a pointless question, because you won't narrow down which of many aspects of a person you're talking about, when you ask if I "know" them. [15:27] Librarian It isn't "knowing" them that's in any way controversial. It's the question of *which of many human aspects* I know. [15:27] Librarian For example: I don't "know" their phone numbers, but I do "know" their probability of suffering from psychopathy like you do. [15:27] immibis Do you know your parents? [15:27] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [15:27] XRevan86 schestowitz: Putin agrees [15:27] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [15:27] Librarian I don't know their phone numbers, no. (It's saved in my phone, among other places.) [15:28] Librarian But I do know their probability of suffering from psychopathy as you do, yes. [15:28] Librarian So that's "no" for one aspect of their humanity, and "yes" for a different aspect of their humanity. [15:28] Librarian Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from narrowing down which aspect you're asking about. [15:28] Librarian That's "cognitive dissonance." [15:29] Librarian Well, enjoy your cognitive dissonace today! You go on feeling afraid and frustrated and mad, and I'm going to do something productive. [15:29] immibis Do you know your parents? [15:30] Librarian 08:27 < Librarian> I don't know their phone numbers, no. (It's saved in my phone, among other places.) [15:30] Librarian 08:28 < Librarian> But I do know their probability of suffering from psychopathy as you do, yes. [15:30] Librarian 08:28 < Librarian> So that's "no" for one aspect of their humanity, and "yes" for a different aspect of their humanity. [15:30] Librarian 08:28 < Librarian> Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from narrowing down which aspect you're asking about. [15:30] Librarian 08:28 < Librarian> That's "cognitive dissonance." [15:31] *immibis has quit (connection closed) [15:31] *immibis has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:31] *immibis (~immibis@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [15:31] *immibis (~immibis@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [15:32] immibis Librarian: Do you know your parents? Yes or no. [15:32] Librarian 08:27 < Librarian> I don't know their phone numbers, no. (It's saved in my phone, among other places.) [15:32] Librarian 08:28 < Librarian> But I do know their probability of suffering from psychopathy as you do, yes. [15:32] Librarian 08:28 < Librarian> So that's "no" for one aspect of their humanity, and "yes" for a different aspect of their humanity. [15:32] Librarian 08:28 < Librarian> Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from narrowing down which aspect you're asking about. [15:32] Librarian 08:28 < Librarian> That's "cognitive dissonance." [15:33] immibis Librarian: I didn't ask if you knew their phone numbers. You are lying to manipulate me. [15:33] immibis Librarian: Do you know your parents? Yes or no. [15:33] Librarian 08:32 < Librarian> 08:28 < Librarian> So that's "no" for one aspect of their humanity, and "yes" for a different aspect of their humanity. [15:33] Librarian 08:32 < Librarian> 08:28 < Librarian> Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from narrowing down which aspect you're asking about. [15:33] Librarian 08:32 < Librarian> 08:28 < Librarian> That's "cognitive dissonance." [15:34] immibis Librarian: I didn't ask if you knew their phone numbers. Do you know your parents? [15:34] Librarian Right, but you won't say which aspect you *are* asking about. [15:34] immibis Librarian: Do you know anyone? [15:34] Librarian That's because you're suffering from extreme cognitive dissonance right now. [15:34] Librarian Right, but you won't say which aspect you *are* asking about. [15:34] Librarian That's because you're suffering from extreme cognitive dissonance right now. [15:35] immibis When I ask "is Linux software or hardware" do I need to specify which aspects of software and hardware I am asking about? [15:35] Librarian The topic of "knowing" people came up because I cited evidence that 99% of the population *does not* suffer from psychopathy as you do. [15:36] Librarian Not for 99% of people, because 99% of people don't suffer from your desire to change the definitions of words as a symptom of their psychopathy. [15:36] immibis No, you cited that 99% of the population say Linux is software, because everyone you know would say Linux is software. [15:36] Librarian There are indeed 1% of you who do that, so you will need to be very precise with your words for your fellow 1%. [15:36] immibis You can only claim that if you know 99% of the population. [15:36] immibis Your name-calling accusations of mental illness are completely irrelevant, I'm afraid. [15:36] Librarian Right, and the specific aspect I would need to know is, "do they suffer from psychopathy as you do?" [15:37] immibis Does that tell you whether someone would say Linux was software? [15:37] Librarian And the answer to that is yes, I do know the probability of their suffering from your psychopathy. [15:37] immibis psychopath -> Linux == hardware. Not psychopath -> Linux == software. Is that the principle being applied here? [15:37] Librarian Yes, because non-psychopaths don't try to redefine words to justify their psychopathic greed and violence. [15:37] Librarian Only you and your fellow 1% of psychopathy sufferers do that. [15:38] immibis I recommend that you take a flight to the middle of communist China, and find a random person on the road in rural bumfuck nowhere, and ask them whether Linux is software. [15:38] Librarian So they can tell me they don't know what those words mean? [15:38] Librarian That's what most people who don't know the definitions of words mean. [15:38] immibis precisely. Except they will tell you it in Chinese. And they will probably just tell you to fuck off. In Chinese. [15:38] Librarian Were you completely unaware that non-psychopaths will honestly just tell you that they don't know something? :D [15:39] immibis Does that constitute a statement that Linux is software? [15:39] Librarian It's only you psychopaths who will just *make it up* at random when they don't know something. [15:39] immibis "I don't know what those words mean" == "Yes" according to your diseased mind [15:39] Librarian Not at all. You just made that up at random. [15:40] Librarian That was a symptom of your psychopathy, right there, that invention of that outright lie that you just performed. [15:40] immibis Librarian: You are telling me that 99% of the population will say "Linux is software". Now you are telling me that most of the population will say "I don't know what those words mean". Therefore "I don't know what those words mean" == "Linux is software". QED [15:41] Librarian No, I'm not conflating those two. I'm pointing out that neither of those responses constitute "linux is hardware." [15:41] immibis What is the relevant? You claim that 99% of the population will say "Linux is softawre" [15:42] immibis relevance* software* [15:42] Librarian Not at all. I'm pointing out htat neither of those responses constitute "linux is hardware." [15:42] Librarian It would require your psychopathy to justify saying that. [15:42] immibis What is the relevance? You claim that 99% of the population will say "Linux is software" [15:42] Librarian Not at all. I'm pointing out htat neither of those responses constitute "linux is hardware." It would require your psychopathy to justify saying that. [15:43] immibis Don't try to backtrack and hide your previous claim. [15:43] immibis You claim that 99% of the population will say "Linux is software" [15:43] MinceR 04 160211 < XRevan86> Moet Hennessy said that they're not going to rebrand as sparkling wine and will just stop exporting to Russia. [15:43] MinceR the correct response [15:43] immibis You claimED that 99% of the population will say "Linux is software" [15:43] immibis Are you now claiming that is false? [15:43] MinceR this is what the IT industry should have done to red china too, when they started their industrial espionage campaign [15:44] immibis Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from responding. That's "cognitive dissonance." [15:45] Librarian I just scrolled up and can't find anywhere I said that 99% of the population will say "Linux is software." [15:46] Librarian So, it looks to me like that's just another example of your pathological lying. [15:46] Librarian Which, again, is a symptom of your psychopathy. [15:46] Librarian QED. [15:46] immibis so what? 99% of the population don't apply the word "software" to the Linux kernel [15:46] immibis That's obviously false. Everyone I know knows the difference between software and hardware. [15:46] immibis do you know 99% of the population? [15:47] Librarian Oh, were you trying to say there that 99% of people don't know? [15:47] Librarian Because the point I was making was that 99% of people won't say it's hardware. [15:47] Librarian Because 99% of people don't suffer from your psychopathy. [15:47] immibis 99% of the population don't apply the word "software" to the Linux kernel [15:47] immibis Agree or disagree? [15:48] Librarian Answer my question first: were you trying to say that 99% of people don't know? Because the point I was making was that 99% of people won't say it's hardware, because 99% of people don't suffer from your psychopathy. [15:48] immibis Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from responding. That's "cognitive dissonance." [15:48] Librarian I will answer your question if you make your question more precise. [15:48] Librarian Answer my question first: were you trying to say that 99% of people don't know? Because the point I was making was that 99% of people won't say it's hardware, because 99% of people don't suffer from your psychopathy. [15:48] immibis 99% of the population don't apply the word "software" to the Linux kernel. Agree or disagree with this statement? [15:48] Librarian Answer my question first: were you trying to say that 99% of people don't know? Because the point I was making was that 99% of people won't say it's hardware, because 99% of people don't suffer from your psychopathy. [15:48] immibis Why should I answer your question when your question is only intended as a distraction from answering my question? [15:48] Librarian I will answer your question if you make your question more precise. [15:49] XRevan86 Well, the branding is not a static thing, and so I don't think they'll actually have troubles, especially with premium wine enthusiasts. [15:49] immibis My question is just as precise as your question which preceded it using the same wording. [15:49] immibis Are you saying your question was imprecise? [15:49] Librarian Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from asking a question precise enough that it can be answered precisely. [15:49] immibis Or rather, your statement [15:49] immibis Are you saying your own statement was imprecise? [15:49] Librarian That is a symptom of your cognitive dissonance. [15:49] immibis Are you saying your own statement was so imprecise that you can neither agree nor disagree with it? [15:49] Librarian Yes. My statement was imprecise because your question was imprecise. [15:50] Librarian Now, if you're not terrified, please make it more precise. [15:50] immibis 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." [15:50] Librarian Answer my question first: were you trying to say that 99% of people don't know? Because the point I was making was that 99% of people won't say it's hardware, because 99% of people don't suffer from your psychopathy. [15:50] techrights-news [Meme] #EPO Airlines http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/epo-airlines-independence-day/ #europe #corruption #patents #kangarooCourts [15:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EPO Airlines | Techrights [15:50] immibis 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." [15:50] XRevan86 Also in Russian the noun (formed from an adjective) for the wine differs from the name of the place, so they can just emphasise the latter pretty easily. [15:50] XRevan86 ? ! [15:51] immibis Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." [15:51] Librarian You're invited, once again, to show evidence if I'm wrong. [15:51] immibis Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." [15:51] Librarian Cite the dictionaries that *do* include compulsion, coercion, and violence in their defintions of "freedom." [15:51] immibis Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: 07:59 < Librarian> Oh, I understand the distinction just fine, but in neither case do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "freedom." [15:52] Librarian Yes, of course I agree with it, because you haven't shown any evidence of dictionaries that *do* include compulsion, coercion, and violence in their definition of "freedom." [15:52] Librarian I already said that several times. [15:53] immibis So obviously that statement is clear enough for you. [15:53] Librarian Yes; you have provided no evidence to the contrary. Despite being asked to, several times. [15:54] immibis So why is this very similar statement unclear? "To neither operating system do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "software."" [15:54] immibis Is the statement clear, or not? [15:54] Librarian No. It is not clear. What does "neither operating system" mean? [15:54] Librarian That looks like word salad to me. [15:54] immibis Windows or Linux [15:54] XRevan86 but of course if they are to make an adjective again, then it will quickly become a problem, which is pretty hilarious [15:55] Librarian But neither of us was talking about Windows either, so that's still unclear. [15:55] immibis What is unclear about the statement? Its purpose? [15:55] XRevan86 It means they can say "sparkling wine from Champagne" but not "Champagne sparkling wine". [15:55] Librarian I guess we should just chalk this one up to your shitty communication skills? [15:56] Librarian Is there a dictionary that defines "software" in such a way that excludes Windows or Linux? [15:56] immibis What is unclear about the statement? Its purpose? [15:57] immibis Are you only capable of understanding statements which you believe to be true? For example, is "the sky is green" incomprehensible gibberish to you? [15:57] Librarian No. I understand it to be a symptom of psychopathy. [15:57] immibis You understand the sentence "the sky is green"? [15:58] Librarian "Pathological lying is listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, although only as a symptom of other disorders such as psychopathy and antisocial, narcissistic, and histrionic personality disorders." [15:58] immibis You understand the sentence "the sky is green"? [15:58] Librarian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_lying [15:58] immibis You understand the sentence "the sky is green"? [15:58] Librarian I understand it to be a symptom of psychopathy, yes. [15:58] immibis But you understand it? It is not unclear? [15:59] Librarian 08:58 < Librarian> I understand it to be a symptom of psychopathy, yes. [15:59] immibis But you understand it? It is not unclear? [15:59] Librarian 08:58 < Librarian> I understand it to be a symptom of psychopathy, yes. [15:59] immibis Here we see this "yes, but" pathological syndrome. You cannot answer "yes" or "no" because both answers make you angry and frustrated. So you avoid providing a clear answer. ● Jul 04 [16:00] immibis You understand it? It is not unclear? [16:00] Librarian What do you suppose it indicates, that I have to copy-and-paste my own responses to you over and over again, because you are incapable of reading them? [16:00] immibis It indicates you think that repetition makes an answer more correct. [16:00] immibis or relevant. [16:00] Librarian Not at all. [16:00] immibis "What colour is the sky?" "It is sky-coloured." is not an answer [16:00] Librarian You just made that up. It is a pathological lie. [16:00] immibis You understand the sentence "the sky is green"? [16:00] Librarian It is not necessary for you to repeat yourself to me; only for me to repeat myself to you. [16:01] immibis "rules for thee, not for me" [16:01] Librarian What did I say last time you asked that? [16:01] immibis Librarian: You gave an irrelevant non-answer. I hope you will try harder this time. [16:01] Librarian That's because you're a pathological liar, so you often put words into my mouth that I did not say, and I have to repeat what I had already said earlier to correct you. [16:01] immibis "Do you understand X?" "I understand that you're an idiot." is not an answer. [16:01] Librarian If you stop being a pathological liar, as a symptom of your psychopathy, there will be no need for me to repeat myself back to you. [16:02] Librarian I have never said that. [16:02] immibis I mean, I understand that you're an idiot with a pea-sized brain, but I don't find myself needing to squeeze it into every answer [16:02] MinceR rich wine enthusiasts can just import their Moet Hennessy [16:02] Librarian You just invented that, because you're a pathological liar, as a symptom of your psychopathy. [16:02] MinceR and it can be a reminder to them what a bunch of assholes their government is [16:02] immibis Are you capable of comprehending the meaning of the sentence "the sky is green"? [16:03] Librarian Asked and answered. Your failure to read my answer is a symptom of your cognitive dissonace. [16:03] Librarian *dissonance. [16:03] XRevan86 MinceR: They're not going to store it in Russia though, so they're not the ones I had in mind. [16:03] immibis Not answered. Your failure to answer is a symptom of your cognitive dissonance and your desire to distract me. [16:03] Librarian 08:59 < Librarian> 08:58 < Librarian> I understand it to be a symptom of psychopathy, yes. [16:03] XRevan86 I don't know anything about wines, so I don't really know who's the market here. [16:03] immibis Not answered. Your failure to answer is a symptom of your cognitive dissonance and your desire to distract me. [16:03] MinceR snobs [16:04] Librarian There's me copying-and-pasting my answer to you, to show that I have not only answered it, but repeated the answer at your repeated questioning. [16:04] immibis An answer consists of exactly one word, which is either "yes" or "no" [16:04] immibis Not answered. Your failure to answer is a symptom of your cognitive dissonance and your desire to distract me. [16:04] MinceR it might even make the product more appealing to them, as it will be more difficult to obtain in putinistan [16:04] immibis Are you capable of comprehending the meaning of the sentence "the sky is green"? [16:05] immibis Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from responding. That's "cognitive dissonance." [16:06] Librarian Your insistence that I have not answered, after I have already written "I understand it ot be a symptom of psychopathy, yes," is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion o f you is true and correct. [16:06] Librarian Your insistence that I have not answered, after I have already written "I understand it ot be a symptom of psychopathy, yes," is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion of you is true and correct. [16:07] immibis Is that answer "yes" or "no"? [16:07] immibis Your answer is not clear. [16:07] Librarian Sorry to hear that. Have you sought out remedial reading instruction from a professional? [16:07] *job has quit (connection closed) [16:07] *pandakekok9 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:08] Librarian I mean, it literally says one of those two things right in the answer I've given multiple times, in quotation marks. :D [16:08] immibis Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. [16:08] Librarian No, that's a symptom of your inability to read. [16:08] immibis Here we see this "yes, but" pathological syndrome. You cannot answer "yes" or "no" because both answers make you angry and frustrated. So you avoid providing a clear answer. [16:08] Librarian No, it doesn't say "yes, but" anywhere in there. [16:08] immibis You say "yes, but " [16:08] XRevan86 MinceR: Not as good as Gelendzhik wines of course. [16:08] Librarian No, it doesn't say "yes, but" anywhere in there. [16:09] immibis You're right. This answer was a ", yes" [16:09] immibis "Is the sky green?" "It is a colour with a higher wavelength than red, yes." [16:09] immibis lower* wavelength [16:09] MinceR are those the ones made near the khuilo's new palace complex? [16:09] Librarian Your insistence that I said something I did not say is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion of you is true and correct. [16:09] immibis "Is the sky green?" "It is a colour with a lower wavelength than red, yes." [16:09] XRevan86 MinceR: yes :) [16:09] MinceR :> [16:09] Librarian Your insistence that I said something I did not say is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion of you is true and correct. [16:09] immibis Now answer clearly. "Yes" or "No" [16:10] XRevan86 There are certain ties. [16:10] immibis Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. [16:10] Librarian Your repetition that I provide an answer I have already answered is your fear, your frustration, and your anger that are symptoms of your cognitive dissonance. [16:10] immibis Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. [16:10] Librarian Except, I did. You're just a pathological liar, is all. [16:11] immibis Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. [16:11] Librarian Except, I did. You're just a pathological liar, is all. [16:11] immibis Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. [16:11] Librarian Except, I did. You're just a pathological liar, is all. [16:11] immibis Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. [16:11] Librarian Except, I did. You're just a pathological liar, is all. [16:11] immibis Your fear, your frustration, your anger are preventing you from saying an answer precise enough that it answers the question. [16:11] Librarian Except, I did. You're just a pathological liar, is all. [16:11] immibis "Is the sky green?" "It is a colour with a lower wavelength than red, yes." [16:12] Librarian Your insistence that I said something I did not say is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion of you is true and correct. [16:12] immibis "Is the sky green?" "It is a colour with a lower wavelength than red, yes." [16:12] Librarian Your insistence that I said something I did not say is yet more evidence of your pathological lying as a symptom of your psychopathy. I offer it as further evidence that my opinion of you is true and correct. [16:12] immibis ask me a yes or no question [16:12] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:13] Librarian Aww, did you suddenly get tired of providing more evidence that you are a pathological liar? [16:13] Librarian Come on; I know you have more psychopathy in there! Put some more words in my mouth. [16:13] Librarian Make more straw-man fallacies! :D [16:13] XRevan86 Has Audacity been forked already? [16:14] immibis ask me a yes or no question [16:14] Librarian Come on; we both know you haven't conquered your mental illness that quickly and easily. [16:14] immibis oh you did [16:14] immibis Librarian: Tired of you spouting the weak lies that are the best your pea-brain can come up with, yes. [16:14] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:14] Librarian Well, I'm sure if any of them were "weak lies" you would have provided evidence of some sort. [16:15] Librarian But, you haven't, so that answers that for us. [16:15] Librarian I can cite dictionaries that support the definitions I use, all day, every day, while you never do. [16:15] immibis You're not even gonna insist on an answer? Weak. [16:15] immibis "Tired of you spouting the weak lies that are the best your pea-brain can come up with, yes." is not an answer to that question. [16:15] immibis Of course you can't spare the neurons to recognize that fac.t [16:16] Librarian Okay, have fun continuing to do... whatever the heck it is you think you're doing... *instead of* citing any evidence to support your assertions. [16:17] immibis You're not even gonna insist on an answer? Weak. [16:17] immibis merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know [16:17] Librarian You did answer it. I saw you say the word "yes" along with your explanation. [16:17] immibis https://merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know [16:18] Librarian Your explanation was factually incorrect, so I know that your "yes" has no value. [16:18] immibis If you aren't capable of comprehending why that isn't an answer, then you might need to go back to primary school for a bit. [16:18] Librarian But you did answer. You said "yes," and also demonstrated that the value of your answer is zero, due to your incorrect explantion. [16:18] Librarian *explanation. [16:19] Librarian I appreciate it when you both answer straightforwardly, and give the logic by which you arrived at it, especially when your explanation shows that your logic is faulty. [16:19] immibis A value of zero, meaning it doesn't answer anything? "Potato" also has an answer value of zero. You are saying that my answer answers the question just as much as the word "potato" does [16:20] Librarian I take you at your word when you provide your thought process to me. [16:21] immibis So, applying that logic to your previous answers, you do know 99% of the population? [16:21] immibis And, you are capable of understanding the sentence "To neither Windows nor Linux do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "software."" [16:22] immibis That sentence is sufficient clear. [16:22] techrights-news #JimWhitehurst Was Always Very Optimistic and Positive But With #IBM in Charge He No Longer Is http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/whitehurst-gave-up/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/whitehurst-gave-up/ [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Whitehurst Was Always Very Optimistic and Positive But With IBM in Charge He No Longer Is | Techrights [16:23] Librarian 08:19 < Librarian> I do not know the phone numbers of 99% of the population, [16:23] Librarian but I do know their probability of suffering from the same [16:23] Librarian psychopathy as you. [16:23] Librarian 08:19 < Librarian> So that's a "no" to the phone numbers, but a "yes" to their [16:23] Librarian chances of suffering from the same psychopathy as you. [16:23] Librarian 08:19 < immibis> If you are not sure whether you know a person, then you [16:23] Librarian probably don't. [16:23] Librarian 08:19 < Librarian> It depends what aspect about them you are questioning [16:23] Librarian whether I "know." [16:23] Librarian 08:20 < Librarian> But you don't want to be that precise, because you're scared. [16:24] Librarian Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. [16:24] immibis So you are capable of understanding the sentence "To neither Windows nor Linux do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) apply the word "software."" [16:24] Librarian Just be aware that every instance in which you do so, only further supports the conclusion that you are a pathological liar as a symptom of your psychopathy. [16:24] immibis So you are capable of understanding the sentence "To Linux do 99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) not apply the word "software."" [16:24] immibis So you are capable of understanding the sentence "99% of the population (which doesn't suffer from psychopathy) don't apply the word "software" to Linux" [16:24] immibis So you are capable of understanding the sentence "99% of the population don't apply the word "software" to Linux" [16:25] Librarian Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. [16:25] immibis Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. [16:25] schestowitz XRevan86: sort of [16:25] schestowitz softly [16:25] schestowitz sort fork [16:25] schestowitz I think mulesource or mule group [16:25] Librarian Thank you for that further evidence. [16:25] schestowitz is being extra careful [16:26] schestowitz unlike freenode under leeL0de [16:26] schestowitz to avoid such a fork having justification [16:26] schestowitz first telemetry [16:26] schestowitz then the CLA issue [16:27] techrights-news Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153020 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:27] immibis Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. [16:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [16:28] XRevan86 schestowitz: I keep thinking back to that interview, because l0de said it was satirical, so I can't tell if what rasengan said there were his honest opinions. Were they? Or weren't they? [16:28] Librarian And when we step away from the cycle of proving that immibis, like all greedy, violent socialists who are not already peacefully practicing their ideals on a kibbutz, are psychopaths... [16:29] schestowitz XRevan86: they just say that [16:29] Librarian We find that Audacity still looks like it's ripe for forking: [16:29] Librarian https://www.audacityteam.org/about/desktop-privacy-notice/ [16:29] immibis Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. [16:29] Librarian Hope a different organization picks up its maintenance. [16:29] schestowitz so they can still push "nigger" into YouTube and justify that using the "humour" label [16:29] immibis Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. [16:29] schestowitz it's a tactic [16:29] XRevan86 though, the way he was speaking, they sounded sincerely. [16:29] schestowitz Lee was not treating it like satire [16:30] schestowitz XRevan86: he said similar things to me in person [16:31] techrights-news "What Personal Data does #Audacity collect and why?" Oh, dear... here we go. https://www.audacityteam.org/about/desktop-privacy-notice/ [16:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.audacityteam.org | Desktop Privacy Notice | Audacity [16:32] XRevan86 schestowitz: From the way they were talking, I can believe that l0de thought this jokes, but rasengan didn't. [16:32] XRevan86 * this is jokes [16:33] techrights-news #patent maximalists (the #litigation profiteers in search of #patents on EVERYTHING): "Patent law is replete with arcane (and often judge-made) doctrines, such as the doctrine of equivalence and obviousness-type double patenting." https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/minerva-surgical-inc-v-hologic-inc-2021.html [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Minerva Surgical, Inc. v. Hologic, Inc. (2021) [16:33] techrights-news When you dislike #upc for #privacy reasons, not just #patent reasons (different UPC; only one is dead) https://illinoisnewstoday.com/samsung-galaxy-z-fold-3-upc-has-higher-transmittance/242993/ [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-illinoisnewstoday.com | Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 UPC has higher transmittance - Illinois News Today [16:34] XRevan86 Pretty bad insensitive jokes, but this gap between them probably did exist. [16:34] l0de/fn xrevan86 - both parties were aware it was a joke [16:34] l0de/fn I'm astounded there's anyone who can't see that [16:34] schestowitz what was a joke? [16:35] l0de/fn The program is in the comedy section of youtube, my twitter is explicitly flagged as satirical [16:35] l0de/fn the entire interview [16:35] l0de/fn a joke that apparently missed you, since you wrote a serious article about it [16:35] schestowitz no, he said what he meant to say [16:35] XRevan86 l0de: Thing is, rasengan has expressed himself like that not only there, not only to schestowitz, but also to Aridn. [16:35] l0de/fn (which I'm still lolling at) [16:35] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:35] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:35] schestowitz it was damaging, but it was not a joke [16:36] l0de/fn Let's analyze this [16:36] l0de/fn which of us is in a better position to know if it was a joke [16:36] l0de/fn the professional comedian who was in the interview [16:36] l0de/fn or a third party [16:36] immibis Librarian: why have you not picked up audacity's maintenance? [16:36] schestowitz are you a "professional comedian"? [16:37] l0de/fn Ya, my show pays my rent [16:37] schestowitz is it comedy? [16:37] l0de/fn I have been a professional comedian in the IRS's eyes for 5+ years [16:37] l0de/fn It's a comedy program [16:37] XRevan86 l0de: There is context outside of the interview. [16:37] l0de/fn Right, context which as an op on that network [16:37] l0de/fn I have significantly more of [16:38] l0de/fn You can insist it's a joke forever if you want, but you look foolish in my eyes [16:38] l0de/fn or rather, it's not a joke [16:38] schestowitz [21:19] The reason they went after him was because of the pizzagate leaks. [16:38] schestowitz [21:19] (which are all real) [16:38] schestowitz [21:19] among others [16:38] schestowitz [21:20] podestaemails are full of stuff that I wrote a lot about [16:38] schestowitz [21:20] !! absolutely. [16:38] schestowitz [21:20] I'm glad you did this. I got epstein.pizza, podesta.pizza, and clinton.pizza to do the same... but I guess I don't have to lol [16:38] schestowitz [21:20] but those things get taken over by nuts [16:38] schestowitz [21:20] which then discourage participation [16:38] schestowitz [21:20] Well, I wouldn't call them nuts. They're reacting to what they're seeing... [16:38] *schestowitz looks up domain records [16:39] XRevan86 l0de: https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1405384677511380997 what's this? [16:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: andrew must be doing more lines tonight: FOSS is INCLUSION! FOSS is FREEDOM! FOSS is DIFFERENT OPINIONS! FO https://t.co/yZxfWp2XSt [16:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: andrew must be doing more lines tonight: FOSS is INCLUSION! FOSS is FREEDOM! FOSS is DIFFERENT OPINIONS! FO https://t.co/yZxfWp2XSt [16:39] l0de/fn That's him having fun on irc [16:39] schestowitz Podesta.pizza [16:39] schestowitz 1,702 days old [16:39] l0de/fn that's why he bought freenode [16:39] schestowitz Created on 2016-11-05 [16:39] schestowitz Expires on 2021-11-05 [16:39] schestowitz Tech ContactREDACTED FOR PRIVACY (DT) [16:39] schestowitz REDACTED FOR PRIVACY [16:39] schestowitz REDACTED FOR PRIVACY, [16:40] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [16:40] l0de/fn Pizzagate was an EXCELLENT trolling opportunity that we all capitalized on [16:40] schestowitz (ref https://whois.domaintools.com/podesta.pizza ) [16:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whois.domaintools.com | Whois Lookup Captcha [16:41] l0de/fn because there was definitely something suspect in those emails [16:41] l0de/fn and it made everyone uncomfortable [16:41] XRevan86 l0de: That's not even why he said he bought freenode. [16:41] l0de/fn but it is WHY he bought freenode [16:41] XRevan86 l0de: He was saying that Christel asked him for help and he was happy to help. [16:41] l0de/fn This is a guy who you swear up and down is crazy, dishonest, etc [16:41] XRevan86 giving back to the community with money [16:41] l0de/fn but you take him at his word for everything? [16:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [16:41] l0de/fn to an outsider the bias is very apparent [16:41] schestowitz You contradict yourself: [16:41] because there was definitely something suspect in those emails [16:42] schestowitz it cannot be humour and at the same time this [16:42] XRevan86 l0de: What are we assuming here? That he is full of shit or that he is an innocent jokester? [16:42] schestowitz you're trying to weasel out of it [16:42] schestowitz or, as you'd put it, he bought freenode just to troll it [16:42] schestowitz which is contradicted by what he told me [16:42] l0de/fn xrevan that his primary motivation is diversion and having a good time [16:42] *CrystalMath (~coderain@y3x7p83rr7kns.irc) has joined #techrights [16:43] schestowitz nope [16:43] l0de/fn If he can make money off of it or advance his agenda, that's just a bonus [16:43] XRevan86 25m ago: Mot Hennessy will resume export to Russia as sparkling wine. [16:43] schestowitz he wanted freenode to bring userbase to irc.com stuff [16:43] l0de/fn but he's a creature of whim [16:43] schestowitz and it failed on him [16:43] XRevan86 That's a reasonable decision from them, the brand will win over this terminology bullshit and they'll still make a profit. [16:43] XRevan86 l0de: I think ye are projecting on him. [16:44] l0de/fn Right so he took exactly the actions that would generate the most controversy and fun and undermined that goal? [16:44] l0de/fn If you look at him in the lens of someone toying with the situation, his actions make sense [16:44] l0de/fn if you look at them through the lens of a serious person pursuing a goal, they do not [16:44] XRevan86 l0de: In May rasengan was extremely reserved and public relations-y, even too much. [16:44] schestowitz [20:55] The rest of us are meh. Even me, it's funny that people are like 'ahh lee is rich rich rich' but its like... yeah sure, im richer than the average, but i dont think they understand whats going on in the world. I'm like definitely at the bottom of any rich list if I'm even on one. :P [16:45] schestowitz the interview had "king of overdraft" [16:45] schestowitz he was not joking [16:45] schestowitz he's in debt [16:45] schestowitz and that bodes well for long-term sustainability of freenode.net operations [16:45] l0de/fn IMO [16:45] l0de/fn it's RDS [16:45] XRevan86 l0de: And this lense is projecting. What he has done didn't display an intention to have fun. [16:46] l0de/fn I'm telling you he's having a blast [16:46] l0de/fn and so am I [16:46] schestowitz "have fun" = screw up [16:46] l0de/fn this was some of the most fun any of us have had on IRC in years [16:46] schestowitz "I was just havin' fun" = I losy [16:46] schestowitz *lost [16:46] schestowitz [16:46] I'm telling you he's having a blast [16:46] schestowitz he's not [16:47] schestowitz he was put down by the whole thing [16:47] XRevan86 l0de: Maybe after the backlash he gave up and decided to embrace the insanity, but before that he definitely did not. [16:47] l0de/fn Oh, who talks with him [16:47] CrystalMath Andrew Lee was still a victim of cancel culture that is very real, unfortunately [16:47] l0de/fn you or me [16:47] l0de/fn lol [16:47] l0de/fn Honestly, it makes it even more fun that you can't get it [16:47] XRevan86 CrystalMath: In what bloody way? [16:47] l0de/fn I think our views can just never align on this issue, and that's ok [16:48] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Because people thought he'll wreck freenode? [16:48] XRevan86 well he bloody fucking did, didn't he? [16:48] l0de/fn and it was GLORIOUS [16:48] CrystalMath XRevan86: no, the stuff the old staff said, and how blindly they were followed before people ever heard a single word from Lee [16:48] XRevan86 CrystalMath: They had an interaction with rasengan, don't ye know. [16:49] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Ye think it all came about in one night? [16:49] schestowitz took weeks [16:49] CrystalMath XRevan86: like at least 10,000 did the switch on the first day [16:49] CrystalMath after hearing only one side [16:50] XRevan86 CrystalMath: They heard the side they trusted and just figured "welp, those were the people we trusted, if they say so, they have better judgement" [16:50] XRevan86 CrystalMath: And better judgement they did have. So who is wrong? [16:51] XRevan86 who got cancelled here? [16:51] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.2) [16:51] CrystalMath XRevan86: no, they didn't; these were the staff that closed ##poliitics-uncensored, and ##truth [16:51] techrights-news Germany: #Berlin Regional Court Declares #Germany Word Mark "Black Friday" To Be Revoked https://www.mondaq.com/germany/trademark/1086574/berlin-regional-court-declares-german-word-mark-black-friday-to-be-revoked- #de [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Berlin Regional Court Declares German Word Mark "Black Friday" To Be Revoked - Intellectual Property - Germany [16:52] techrights-news FOSS Patents: What if a #patent injunction impairs the well-being of convertible drivers? German appellate judge raises questions regarding public interest and proportionality http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/what-if-patent-injunction-impairs-well.html #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest [16:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: What if a patent injunction impairs the well-being of convertible drivers? German appellate judge raises questions regarding public interest and proportionality [16:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [16:52] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I have a guess that FOSS projects' experiences involve very little thought about ##poliitics-uncensored and ##truth [16:53] schestowitz [16:51] XRevan86: no, they didn't; these were the staff that closed ##poliitics-uncensored, and ##truth [16:53] schestowitz freenode is for free software [16:53] schestowitz it's not so open-ended [16:53] schestowitz which makes sense to me [16:53] schestowitz they had resources donated to them [16:53] schestowitz and volunteers [16:53] schestowitz mostly for the purpose of advancing free sw [16:53] schestowitz politics can be done in the 'luls' IRC networks [16:54] XRevan86 And rasengan wrecked the place for the FOSS projects. So the FOSS projects that did follow the call were the ones that received the least damage. [16:54] CrystalMath the ones that stayed and stood up to cancel culture also fared well [16:54] CrystalMath such as Hyperbola [16:54] XRevan86 those that decided to stay on freenode to wait it out, those were screwed badly [16:54] XRevan86 like PCLinuxOS [16:55] XRevan86 they just went to XMPP [16:55] immibis https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fractally%20wrong [16:55] schestowitz Hyperbola would have an issue with a 2/3 decline in user access [16:55] schestowitz as many people left [16:55] schestowitz for us, the SOLE gain was finally moving to self-hosted as we had already wanted or planned last autumn [16:56] schestowitz for gemini:// we also self-host from home now [16:56] schestowitz with backups done locally [16:56] schestowitz gemini pages are very small, so doable for standard ISPs [16:56] schestowitz we try to convince many more people and projects to do the same [16:57] CrystalMath techrights has some pretty unique requirements though [16:57] *XRevan86 looks around the Hyperbola website [16:57] XRevan86 I have an idea why they didn't move: they appear to be not very alive. [16:57] schestowitz CrystalMath: because there are many components [16:57] CrystalMath XRevan86: they are very alive [16:57] schestowitz they ar [16:57] CrystalMath work is done on it every day, i'm following their work [16:58] XRevan86 No new announcements on the website, no new mailing list entries. [16:58] CrystalMath they do say things on IRC [16:58] CrystalMath HyperbolaBSD is being developed [16:58] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I wouldn't be surprised if they simply have no one to make the decision. [16:59] CrystalMath XRevan86: actually that is false, on their IRC channel i see most people who are pro-freenode [16:59] CrystalMath so they are explicitly pro-freenode [16:59] CrystalMath Hyperbola is strangely always on the right side [16:59] CrystalMath i'm quite amazed by them, really [16:59] CrystalMath how they reject systemd [16:59] *Noisytoot (noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights [16:59] XRevan86 https://netsplit.de/channels/?chat=hyperbola [16:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE ● Jul 04 [17:00] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #techrights [17:00] XRevan86 I see they're having fun. [17:00] schestowitz XRevan86: 25 people on line [17:00] schestowitz freenode/hyperbola [17:00] schestowitz techrights 51 in freenode [17:01] schestowitz 41 here, 31 in LC [17:01] schestowitz 123 users total, inc. dupes [17:01] blitzed No Agenda Show PODcast just went live; http://listen.noagendastream.com/noagenda.pls [17:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.73 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 56.08 swarm size (avg): 306.85 [17:01] gustaf before all this stuff went down I'd never heard of Hyperbola [17:01] schestowitz they're a thing [17:02] CrystalMath Hyperbola is amazing, they actually care about software being simple, well-written, and stuff [17:02] schestowitz we covered them many times in techrights [17:02] gustaf it kinda amazes me it seems to be a split from something called Parabola [17:02] CrystalMath they're not at all like the rest of FLOSS [17:02] CrystalMath which is sad, i wish the rest of FLOSS was like that too [17:02] gustaf I'm getting flashbacks to leftist group splits [17:02] gustaf or protestant churches for that matter [17:02] blitzed I've been off freenode and oftc for long long time, tried again months back but ugh :/ [17:02] gustaf CrystalMath: so like Suckless? [17:02] CrystalMath yes [17:02] gustaf Suckless at least have some engagement [17:03] schestowitz techrights-ipfs-bot and techrights-news are suckless [17:03] gustaf their "leader" is active on lobste.rs [17:03] blitzed I suspect silicon valley megacorps may be partly behind the libera crap, or copycat it [17:03] schestowitz "leader" [17:03] CrystalMath gustaf: i was told they don't have a leader [17:03] gustaf hence he quootes [17:03] gustaf *the quotes [17:03] schestowitz "show me to your leader!!" [17:03] gustaf spokesperson [17:03] gustaf FRIGN [17:03] blitzed they want to nudge all the slaves back onto their centralized social platforms, Discord n junk [17:03] Librarian Because I don't have enough time. I've got too many other projects. [17:03] CrystalMath blitzed: and their controlled IRC networks [17:04] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [17:04] schestowitz freenode was already centralised [17:04] schestowitz same for LC [17:04] CrystalMath such as liberal.crap [17:04] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yea, just noticed that the user count is pretty similiar in those two channels. And the lack of direction could be the reason for the choice of which one is official. [17:04] gustaf ofc a big part of Suckless is hating GNU [17:04] schestowitz over 50k = DEFINITELY centralised [17:04] gustaf sad! [17:04] schestowitz IBM hates it more [17:04] blitzed there is a big flood of spam on some IRC servers, unsolicited pm's for porn or even allegedly pedo stuff [17:05] schestowitz and IBM is in everything now, even debian [17:05] gustaf l0de celebrating the destruction of a 90k IRC network "for the lulz" is the ultimate in nihilism [17:05] schestowitz not limited to systemd and soon wayland [17:05] blitzed yeah some IRC servers/nets have been toxic tyranny for many years [17:06] schestowitz that's a revisionism around the fate of freenode [17:06] CrystalMath gustaf: honestly i'm glad that no network is 90k anymore; every IRC network, as IRC is designed today, is doomed to be an oligarchy, and that's why we need to have as many as possible, so that people can at least choose their masters [17:06] schestowitz the goal was not to seek revenge [17:06] XRevan86 https://wiki.parabola.nu/IRC_Channels https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Main/IRC_channels [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.parabola.nu | IRC Channels - ParabolaWiki [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.artixlinux.org | Wiki | Main / IRC channels [17:06] schestowitz but to sway the users from one thing to another thing [17:06] schestowitz like irc.com and "app" [17:06] blitzed I thought RedHat was largely responsible for ramming systemd down most Linux distros' throats [17:06] bradchaus does anyone have any idea why an operating system would have a requirement of 64GB storage for minimum system requirement? [17:06] blitzed jeeez [17:06] schestowitz blitzed: what's a red hat? [17:06] bradchaus ist that just umm, ridiculous? [17:06] XRevan86 What is the story behind Hyperbola anyway? I heard about the two other distros but not that one. [17:06] schestowitz that ceased to exist years ago.. [17:06] schestowitz like the "MAGA" red hats [17:07] gustaf CrystalMath: that's one point of view, but afaik no-one articulated it like that [17:07] blitzed Microsoft & manufacturer collusion? does anyone have any idea why an operating system would have a requirement of 64GB storage for minimum system requirement? [17:07] CrystalMath gustaf: actually Andrew Lee said it way back in april [17:07] gustaf and so far most projects have been happy enough to move to another managed "centralized" network [17:07] blitzed blublubluh you're going to need a new computer for our OS slave! Consume! OBEY! [17:08] gustaf CrystalMath: ok, then most people ran screaming away from that [17:08] XRevan86 The people are so complicit when shit hit the fan on freenode they ditched the place in a month. [17:08] XRevan86 But that's not good either, that's cancel culture, ye see. [17:09] gustaf and of course the projects that did stay were "rewarded" by having services reset [17:10] XRevan86 And now that some of them left IRC altogether, CrystalMath can enjoy "that no network is 90k anymore". [17:10] CrystalMath a lot of the projects that went to mattermost / XMPP self-host it [17:11] CrystalMath it's as good as self-hosting IRC [17:11] CrystalMath it's sad that it's not IRC, though [17:12] XRevan86 https://mamot.fr/@hyperbola also a very alive place [17:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hyperbola (@hyperbola@mamot.fr) - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fdr [17:13] XRevan86 I'm not trying to declare Hyperbola as dead, just that it's a lot more likely for a project that looks like this to not make any decision whatsoever about the changes in communication channels. [17:13] immibis Okay, that's enough repeating what I've already answered. You are welcome to continue to provide evidence of your psychopathy, by ingoring what I've already written and making up additional falsehoods. [17:13] gustaf anyway my days of distro-hopping are over [17:14] gustaf I'm running ubuntu on my vps and rasbian on the Pi [17:14] schestowitz [17:09] and of course the projects that did stay were "rewarded" by having services reset [17:14] gustaf oh yeah I checked out Hexchat, man does the UI suck [17:14] schestowitz all their users' too [17:14] CrystalMath XRevan86: actually a lot of the hyperbola people spoke in favor of freenode [17:14] schestowitz just to put off those who were left [17:14] CrystalMath XRevan86: and in favor of free speech [17:14] CrystalMath that's why i'm saying, it's not a typical FLOSS project atall [17:14] CrystalMath *at all [17:14] schestowitz I still have issues with their bouncers sometimes, never had such issues before! [17:15] gustaf small FOSS [17:15] CrystalMath a typical FLOSS project will code using 300 GB libraries, make horrible decisions, and primarily concern themselves with Trump and charlottesville [17:16] schestowitz actually no [17:16] schestowitz they don't bother much with politics [17:16] schestowitz and focus on the project [17:16] schestowitz the people who bring politics to freenode complain [17:16] schestowitz because "Cancel Culture" [17:16] schestowitz I want to go pray in the mosque... to Buddha [17:16] gustaf CrystalMath: lol ok [17:16] schestowitz they will cancel me, I will prove it! [17:17] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I can only take your word for it. So for me it's inconclusive at this point. [17:17] gustaf CrystalMath: they also Get Shit Done [17:17] gustaf ok bbl [17:18] XRevan86 If they actually actively chose freenode, that's indeed a surprise to me. [17:18] XRevan86 An unconventional choice. [17:18] techrights-news "The netlist story really took off in July when the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit affirmed the U.S. #Patent Trial and Appeal Boards decision upholding the validity of Netlists U.S. 7,619,912 (912) patent that applies to DDR server memory modules" https://microcapdaily.com/netlist-inc-otcmkts-nlst-powerful-runner-as-lawsuit-over-912-seminal-patent-moves-forward/132077/ [17:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-microcapdaily.com | Netlist, Inc. (OTCMKTS: NLST) Powerful Runner as Lawsuit Over (912) Seminal Patent Moves Forward | Micro Cap Daily [17:18] CrystalMath XRevan86: that's what i love about them, all their choices are unconventional, like eschewing java entirely [17:19] CrystalMath i remember their old list of excluded packages, that also had a reason for the exclusion [17:19] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Ah, now I know why I haven't heard of it. [17:19] CrystalMath i remember that for java, the listed reason was "it's java" :P [17:19] AdmFubar thought I was returning to the computer after dinner yesterday... forgot I was still logged on here.. [17:20] schestowitz [17:18] If they actually actively chose freenode, that's indeed a surprise to me. [17:20] schestowitz no, nobody chooses it anympre [17:20] schestowitz some people stay there [17:20] CrystalMath i love it, java-openjre has been excluded becuase the package was found to in fact contain java :P [17:20] schestowitz some do not [17:20] CrystalMath i choose freenode [17:20] schestowitz I do not know and cannot name a single projects that MOVED TO freenode BECAUSE of what happened [17:20] XRevan86 schestowitz: After knowing more about how Hyperbola approaches distribution building, it's no longer a surprise to me. [17:21] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-update-bug-blocks-azure-virtual-desktops-security-updates/ [17:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Windows Update bug blocks Azure Virtual Desktops security updates [17:21] XRevan86 I'll continue recommending Artix to those who want Arch without systemd. [17:21] schestowitz AdmFubar: people use these things?!?!? [17:21] XRevan86 it appears to actually work [17:22] schestowitz Well, not techs I guess [17:22] schestowitz Microsoft issues... impacts: Microsoft workers [17:22] *inky (~inky@46.71.102.39) has joined #techrights [17:23] schestowitz Maybe Microsoft will lay off SOME MORE Azure workers over it [17:23] schestowitz haha, if only azure had in turnover what it spends on marketing SPAM :-) [17:25] *techrights-news has quit (Received malformed line) [17:25] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:25] XRevan86 VkusVille (TasteVille) apologised for an ad with a lesbian couple. [17:26] techrights-news #ibm "Putting Rob Thomas in charge of the entire Sales organization was a catastrophic error. But hey, AK hates Salespeople so he'll sacrifice the rest of 2021 in order to clean house even more in '22. He's a total @ $$h0le but not a complete 1diot I suppose" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bFu5faU [17:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Could this be a good thing? - post regarding IBM layoffs [17:26] XRevan86 that's *a* response to various death threats [17:27] techrights-news " #IBM is to competent management as #colonoscopy preparation is to delightful" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bFu5faU [17:27] XRevan86 traditional values preserved once again [17:28] techrights-news #IBM CEO "AK the next John Aker?" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bFaNvmD Background: "On Tuesday, January 26, 1993, Akers was forced to announce his resignation," https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fellows_Akers [17:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | AK the next John Aker? - post regarding IBM layoffs [17:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | John Fellows Akers - Wikipedia [17:30] techrights-news #wipo pushing the dangerous #cult and #religion to #ukraine http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/07/sunday-surprises.html see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/WIPO [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sunday Surprises - The IPKat [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | WIPO - Techrights [17:30] XRevan86 CrystalMath: IRCCloud was cancelled on freenode. Poor lads. [17:31] CrystalMath ircclown participated in the cancel culture against Andrew Lee on twitter first [17:31] CrystalMath and their disservice was constantly used as a ban evasion measure [17:31] XRevan86 words > actions [17:32] CrystalMath people are honestly better off with bnc.freenode.net [17:32] techrights-news This is like turning ordinary police or even ISPs... into copyright cops https://www.managingip.com/article/b1shhmw5nkdy2g/ip-enforcement-summit-ships-and-couriers-under-spotlight-in-counterfeit-fight #EUIPO is corrupt http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | IP Enforcement Summit: Ships and couriers under spotlight in counterfeit fight | Managing Intellectual Property [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [17:32] XRevan86 saying "freenode annoying" is cancel culture, banning a service is freedom [17:32] XRevan86 CrystalMath: People are honestly better off without freenode. [17:32] techrights-news Linux 5.14 Improving Its Distributed Lock Manager To Allow Message Re-Transmission - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-DLM #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 Improving Its Distributed Lock Manager To Allow Message Re-Transmission - Phoronix [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [17:33] XRevan86 Great argument. [17:33] CrystalMath XRevan86: freenode isn't the only network that bans ircclown [17:33] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Oh, when there's a mob, then it's even less cancel culture-y. [17:34] XRevan86 I didn't realise, I see the errors of my analogy. [17:34] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [17:34] CrystalMath i don't think it's because of anything ircclown said, it's just because they're an awful service [17:34] AdmFubar https://fosspost.org/audacity-is-now-a-spyware/ [17:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosspost.org | Audacity Is Now A Possible Spyware, Remove It ASAP [17:34] XRevan86 CrystalMath: So Andrew is *protecting* people from having an awful service [17:34] XRevan86 now that's noble [17:38] techrights-news Linux Will Keep Core Scheduling Disabled By Default - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-Core-Sched-Off #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest [17:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Will Keep Core Scheduling Disabled By Default - Phoronix [17:38] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [17:39] *inky (~inky@46.241.130.149) has joined #techrights [17:39] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That's probably the same reason for why freenode refuses to let schestowitz' connection to go through. [17:39] CrystalMath XRevan86: i have no idea why schestowitz can't connect [17:39] CrystalMath but there were some strange issues with the ircd [17:42] XRevan86 "were" he had troubles yesterday. [17:43] techrights-news #Audacity is now a Possible Spyware, Remove it ASAP http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153021 s Exploiting long (weekend/holiday) calm to sneak in poison with minimal blowback/pushback? [17:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audacity is now a Possible Spyware, Remove it ASAP | Tux Machines [17:43] XRevan86 Audacity is being cancelled! [17:43] techrights-news #FreeSoftware : GNU Binutils, Network Manager, #Motrix Download Manager http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153022 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: GNU Binutils, Network Manager, Motrix Download Manager | Tux Machines [17:44] XRevan86 Protect Audacity! [17:45] XRevan86 ^ CrystalMath, that's how ye sound. [17:45] CrystalMath well tbh idk what's happening with audacity [17:45] CrystalMath i need to look into it [17:46] XRevan86 CrystalMath: New management, now, for some reason, that management is being cancelled. [17:46] schestowitz audacity technical and code issues [17:46] schestowitz sneaking in malicious features [17:46] XRevan86 unlike freenode it wasn't a take-over, that's one difference [17:46] schestowitz to spy on you no matter which autocrat you vote for :-) [17:46] bradchaus there is a fork [17:46] schestowitz DON'T CANCEL ME! Let me SPYYYYYY! [17:47] schestowitz bradchaus: as expected [17:47] CrystalMath XRevan86: what happened exactly? [17:47] schestowitz bradchaus: free software at work [17:47] bradchaus yup [17:47] schestowitz removing bad stuff when it's introduced [17:47] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The Audacity team somehow ended up in the Muse Group, and they are introducing all the good stuff into Audacity now. [17:48] bradchaus https://github.com/cookiengineer/audacity [17:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - cookiengineer/audacity: Audacity Fork without any Sentry Telemetry or Crash Reporting. [17:48] schestowitz ewww [17:48] schestowitz shithub [17:48] XRevan86 It was something like an acquisition, but not quite. [17:48] bradchaus unfortunately [17:48] schestowitz nothing says freedom like microsoft monopoly and proprietary GPL violation [17:48] XRevan86 bradchaus: That's a personal repo. Maybe it'll grow into being a stronger fork, but so far this doesn't stand out. [17:49] CrystalMath i mean i still use 2.3.2 [17:49] CrystalMath i see no reason to upgrade to even 3.x :P [17:49] bradchaus there's a lot of talk in amongst a lot of the major code contributors .. something will shake out [17:50] XRevan86 Libera.SoundEditor [17:51] schestowitz GNUcity [17:51] schestowitz if there is a fork, I will move to it [17:51] bradchaus ardour is wha t I have used ... i think its pretty clean, or hope so [17:51] schestowitz like barrier to synergy [17:52] schestowitz isn't ardour for music production? [17:52] schestowitz they are not the same type of program, more like mulescore [17:52] bradchaus well so is audacitu [17:52] AdmFubar aurdour is a SAW [17:52] bradchaus audacity [17:52] AdmFubar DAW [17:52] AdmFubar :P dammed fat fingers [17:53] bradchaus audacity is sorta a subset of ardour, in terms of capabilities [17:53] techrights-news Changing #copyright #law to make more sense in current times? http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/08/book-review-restructuring-copyright.html [17:53] AdmFubar audacity is sound editor, audour is for making music [17:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Book Review: (Re)structuring Copyright, A Comprehensive Path to International Copyright Reform - The IPKat [17:54] bradchaus ardour edits obviously [17:54] CrystalMath bradchaus: ardour has telemetry which you can disable [17:54] CrystalMath ardour is a non-destructive editor [17:54] CrystalMath which means it needlessly fills up your disk :P [17:54] techrights-news When courts become like for-profit businesses or companies instead of places for judging https://www.law360.com/articles/1400052/wdtx-now-has-25-of-all-us-patent-cases #texas makes a joke out of #patent #law [17:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WDTX Now Has 25% Of All US Patent Cases - Law360 [17:55] bradchaus one that I looked at with interest was non-daw ... it intrigues me [17:56] techrights-news #Texas helps opponents of the current #patent system. It makes the system looks as corrupt as nobody's business. http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/federal-circuit-may-overrule-judge.html #patents #WDTX [17:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Federal Circuit may overrule Judge Albright should he hold Markman hearing prior to ruling on Volkswagen's motion to transfer venue [17:56] bradchaus https://non.tuxfamily.org/ [17:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-non.tuxfamily.org | Non [17:57] bradchaus unconventional but looks interesting [17:57] techrights-news #Germany tries copying #Texas to nuke the European economy (other 'states') for temporary gains http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/patent-plaintiffs-in-us-and-germany.html see http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/bundestagate-part-20/ [17:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Patent plaintiffs in U.S. and Germany recently tried fragmenting their infringement claims for tactical reasons, but at least the Federal Circuit won't support such gamesmanship [17:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag Part 20: Taking Stock | Techrights ● Jul 04 [18:03] AdmFubar I see non is using freenode [18:03] bradchaus not anymore so far as I know [18:04] AdmFubar they still have it listed on their site [18:04] bradchaus if you read the blog or wiki he is pretty pissed off [18:04] bradchaus not sure whats happening there [18:05] bradchaus techrights lists freenode still too ... so thats no indication really [18:05] AdmFubar https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/ibm/former-red-hat-ceo-jim-whitehurst-steps-down-role-ibm-president [18:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datacenterknowledge.com | Former Red CEO Jim Whitehurst Steps Down from Role of IBM President | Data Center Knowledge [18:05] bradchaus would bet my left one he will move [18:06] schestowitz move from freenode? [18:07] schestowitz AdmFubar: http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/whitehurst-gave-up/ [18:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Whitehurst Was Always Very Optimistic and Positive But With IBM in Charge He No Longer Is | Techrights [18:07] schestowitz IBM is a fast-motion catastrophe [18:07] schestowitz and it's going to go down 100 times faster than it grew [18:08] schestowitz actually, its decline is 10+ years in the making [18:08] schestowitz but now it's accelerating a lot [18:08] techrights-news #Kernel: Core Scheduling and Distributed Lock Manager in Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153023 #Linux #TuxMachines [18:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Core Scheduling and Distributed Lock Manager in Linux | Tux Machines [18:09] *AdmFubar has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [18:10] techrights-news #UK : Infinite Case Ends With Limited Award Of Damages For Infringing Copies Of #Eminem 's Album https://www.mondaq.com/uk/copyright/1086292/infinite-case-ends-with-limited-award-of-damages-for-infringing-copies-of-eminem39s-album- [18:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Infinite Case Ends With Limited Award Of Damages For Infringing Copies Of Eminem's Album - Intellectual Property - UK [18:12] techrights-news Ewwww... Florian Mueller outsourcing to #microsoft and he should know better! He wrote a whole book about Microsoft's shady #swpats lobbyists http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/follow-me-on-linkedin-for-occasional.html [18:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Follow me on LinkedIn for occasional commentary on other topics (tech and non-tech matters, such as European Superleague Company v. FIFA & UEFA) [18:13] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [18:13] MinceR 04 190506 < bradchaus> techrights lists freenode still too ... so thats no indication really [18:14] MinceR techrights uses freenode [18:14] MinceR that's what bridge is for [18:14] XRevan86 MinceR: And clearly very annoyed with it. [18:14] Ariadne techrights shouldn't use freenode [18:14] MinceR does that make referring to freenode on the techrights website a lie? [18:15] XRevan86 MinceR: What's this obsession with what is technically a lie or not [18:15] Ariadne at this point, the majority of conversation is here [18:15] Ariadne it is probably ok to phase out freenode now [18:16] techrights-news Much of what they nowadays call #medtech #patents are just illegal #softwarepatents https://www.bioworld.com/articles/508927-bioworld-medtech-patent-highlights-week-25?v=preview #swpats http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ [18:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BioWorld MedTech Patent Highlights: Week 25 | 2021-07-02 | BioWorld [18:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) Like MedTech at the EPO Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights [18:17] MinceR and what would we replace freenode with? [18:18] XRevan86 MinceR: Isn't the answer obvious? [18:18] Ariadne irc.techrights.org ? [18:18] MinceR didn't irc.techrights.org have an outage recently? [18:18] Ariadne i mean, we can rearchitect the network to turn it into a clustered one [18:19] Ariadne but i think asking for uptime out of freenode is laughable [18:19] MinceR we'd need someone to host it [18:19] MinceR it probably is, but the fact is, it was up while we were down, so we could continue talking there [18:19] Ariadne i have a second colo, [18:19] MinceR and it's a good idea to have a backup [18:19] MinceR didn't you say you didn't want to host TR on the long term? [18:20] bradchaus all I am saying is if non still refers to freenode, that doesnt mean they arent changing ... there's thusands of freenode chanels still moving [18:20] MinceR there are many ways we could have some sort of backup communication channel, it doesn't have to be freenode, but it's a good idea to have one [18:21] XRevan86 long term it mustn't be freenode [18:21] techrights-news Best Alternative Linux Distributions For #vista11 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153024 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Alternative Linux Distributions For Windows 11 | Tux Machines [18:21] Ariadne MinceR: ideally not in the long term, but i'm largely apathetic to the idea either way [18:21] techrights-news Relay expansion board for #RaspberryPi includes 4.3-inch touchscreen display (Crowdfunding) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153025 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Relay expansion board for Raspberry Pi includes 4.3-inch touchscreen display (Crowdfunding) | Tux Machines [18:22] gustaf this is all very confusing https://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/News [18:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-non.tuxfamily.org | News | Non [18:22] bradchaus @gustaf .. yes it is confusing [18:23] bradchaus still, I intend to try the software [18:23] gustaf good plan [18:23] techrights-news Stop calling #patents "IP" as it's a misleading #propaganda term, in this case wielded by pharma #litigation monsters who also sponsor this writer https://www.managingip.com/article/b1shm1gwff0qqf/how-pharma-inhouse-teams-do-mampa-deals [18:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | How pharma in-house teams do M&A deals | Managing Intellectual Property [18:26] bradchaus 3.26AM here ... nite peoples ... stay free [18:26] Ariadne non reminds me of jeskola buzz [18:26] XRevan86 bradchaus: Good night. [18:28] techrights-news #UK Supreme Court Refuses to Extend the Scope of Tort of the Tort "Causing Loss by Unlawful Means" Thereby Preserving the Legislative Balance of the #Patent System https://www.sidley.com/en/insights/newsupdates/2021/07/uk-supreme-court-refuses-to-extend-the-scope-of-tort [18:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.sidley.com/en/insights/newsupdates/2021/07/uk-supreme-court-refuses-to-extend-the-scope-of-tort ) [18:32] techrights-news #Finnegan conveniently overlooking the fact that the #EPO Enlarged Board of Appeal (EBA) is rigged because that's good for #patent profiteers who just pursue as much patent #litigation as possible [18:33] *mayk has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.5+deb4 - https://znc.in) [18:33] AdmFubar outta here for the afternoon... all woozy from the antihistamine I took [18:34] techrights-news As long as #EPO #corruption is profitable to #Finnegan they will usher in those who undermine the EPO for chaos profiteers https://www.natlawreview.com/article/double-patenting-grounds-refusal-against-european-patent-applications-says-epo-g419 see http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/g-121-epo-catastrophe/ [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Double Patenting Grounds for European Patent Applications Refusal [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPOs Legitimacy | Techrights [18:34] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [18:34] techrights-news ...spinning illegal and abstract #patents as something "medical" or "life-saving" isn't a novel trick. http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) Like MedTech at the EPO Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights [18:36] techrights-news #DennisCrouch , funded by #litigation profiteers, continues attacking (looking to discredit) tribunals that invalidate #fakepatents https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/07/recent-prophetic-example.html see http://techrights.org/2017/03/05/dennis-crouch-worries-about-ptab-and-cafc/ [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Recent Prophetic Example cases from the PTAB | Patently-O [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | PTAB and CAFC Crush Patents on Business Methods and Software, So Dennis Crouch Tries to Slow Them Down | Techrights [18:38] techrights-news #Russia should instead give #patent #waivers and financially support #research in the #publicinterest https://www.mondaq.com/russianfederation/patent/1085762/russia-fast-tracks-patent-applications-in-the-war-against-covid-19 [18:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Russia Fast-Tracks Patent Applications In The War Against Covid-19 - Intellectual Property - Russian Federation [18:39] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/759218.jpg [18:40] techrights-news Its July Fourth and it remains unclear by what sort of twisted logic the Boards of Appeal of the #EPO ever regained their independence http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/epo-airlines-independence-day/ #Techrights #EPO #Europe | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/epo-airlines-independence-day/ [18:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EPO Airlines | Techrights [18:41] techrights-news The independence of #RedHat isnt being respected anymore (it was a false promise; see Scotland and Catalua); instead of fighting on, in order to maintain his promise to his staff, #JimWhitehurst has ejected himself from the new "master" of Red Hat, #IBM http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/whitehurst-gave-up/ #Techrights| Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/whitehurst-gave- [18:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Whitehurst Was Always Very Optimistic and Positive But With IBM in Charge He No Longer Is | Techrights [18:42] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153026 #Linux #TuxMachines [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:49] schestowitz MinceR: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21120244 [18:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: People talking shit in #socialcontrolmedia https://hugelolcdn.com/i/759218.jpg [18:49] MinceR :) [18:50] schestowitz [18:15] it is probably ok to phase out freenode now [18:50] schestowitz we log from here and run all the bots here [18:50] schestowitz it's a gradual process [18:51] schestowitz freenode already 'turns me off' at bouncer level sometimes [18:53] schestowitz even if freenode worked ok just 90% of the time, it still helps maintains communication in case of network outages in the other network [18:53] schestowitz in "AYE TEE" they call it MULTICLOWN [18:53] schestowitz which they say reduced the risk by doubling the cost [18:54] schestowitz to me, freenode is now free as in free soda [18:54] schestowitz it's not so healthy for you, but if you're really thirsty it's not so expensive either [18:55] schestowitz which is sad, as I was once proud to say freenode, with the f not being about price [18:55] XRevan86 schestowitz: Ye know my opinion, if a back-up network is needed long-term it shouldn't be freenode, it should be well, the obvious choice is obvious. [18:55] schestowitz and it was called "open" something before the renaming [18:55] MinceR yes, it should be umbrellanet [18:55] schestowitz XRevan86: there is also a channel in LC [18:55] schestowitz but freeSODA is still there [18:55] XRevan86 schestowitz: It currently cannot serve as a back-up. [18:56] XRevan86 schestowitz: For that some actions need to be taken. [18:56] MinceR or we could try a truly distributed channel on RetroShare (over Tor), though that's probably not as manageable [18:56] schestowitz sounds like chaos management [18:56] schestowitz it's hard enough with ipfs [18:56] schestowitz lots of things that can go wrong, took me months just to get it to work almost reliably every night [18:57] schestowitz inc. writing some self-recovery thing for ii [18:58] techrights-news Opposition Practice At The #EPO Advice For #Patent Owners https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1086846/opposition-practice-at-the-epo-advice-for-patent-owners "In this article, we will give an overview of the opposition procedure, before delving into tips and strategies for patent proprietors when faced with opposition proceedings." [18:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Opposition Practice At The EPO Advice For Patent Owners - Intellectual Property - UK [18:59] techrights-news #Patents have no "owners"; it's the wrong term, but the patent 'sector' hopes that repetition will reinforce this #misconception [18:59] XRevan86 schestowitz: A branch on LC is something that can be managed easily. ● Jul 04 [19:00] techrights-news ...the more conventional term for #patent assignee is "holder" (and that's temporary; it's not eternal like "property") [19:00] MinceR as long as LC staff wants you to be able to do that [19:01] schestowitz No need, it would sent the WRONG message. ----> [18:59] schestowitz: A branch on LC is something that can be managed easily. [19:01] schestowitz we want people to come here as a first choice [19:01] schestowitz for those who don't want "YET ANOTHER" network, we have had a place since 2008 [19:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.86 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 49.56 swarm size (avg): 306.70 [19:01] XRevan86 schestowitz: And that place is a mess. [19:01] schestowitz MinceR: the longterm viability of LC might be the same as freenode's [19:02] XRevan86 "might be", probably not. [19:02] schestowitz for one thing, no business model and no plan to deal with some of the worst types of disruptions, nuisance [19:02] schestowitz running a network with so many people is no picnic [19:02] XRevan86 They never needed a business model so far. [19:02] MinceR an irc network doesn't really need a business model [19:02] schestowitz Ariadne was bullied online over it [19:02] schestowitz (freenode) [19:02] MinceR the way freenode/libera does things does need one [19:02] XRevan86 Libera #live will definitely not be a thing. [19:03] MinceR so we're better off using networks that are not so vulnerable [19:03] *psymin (~psymin@9yf7rmsqpjjte.irc) has joined #techrights [19:03] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [19:03] schestowitz hi, psymin [19:03] schestowitz XRevan86: it's a mess [19:03] psymin howdy [19:03] XRevan86 MinceR: freenode needs a business model, Libera doesn't. [19:03] schestowitz I'd not join it [19:03] MinceR XRevan86: why? [19:03] schestowitz yes, why? [19:03] MinceR XRevan86: is libera not owned by a corporate entity? [19:03] XRevan86 MinceR: Because freenode is an actual business. [19:04] schestowitz it was not before [19:04] XRevan86 it has employees, it has salaries [19:04] schestowitz things changed [19:04] MinceR XRevan86: when it was a nonprofit, it was even more dependent on money [19:04] schestowitz when people who kept it running needed $ [19:04] MinceR XRevan86: remember why PDPC had to be closed [19:04] XRevan86 MinceR: While Libera just have an entity over it that serves as an analogue to SPI [19:04] schestowitz SPI is propped up by Google, Microsoft [19:04] schestowitz and they even hide those bribes [19:04] schestowitz which doesn't work out at the end [19:05] schestowitz they start censoring for those tech mafias [19:05] MinceR XRevan86: what's the assurance that that entity will be able to continue existing? [19:05] schestowitz and so their legitimacy is in peril [19:05] XRevan86 MinceR: Why the heck wouldn't it if the only reason for it is being legally binding? [19:05] MinceR XRevan86: legal requirements, for example [19:05] schestowitz XRevan86: the people at freenode showed they can pull out swords [19:05] schestowitz on lee, on rms [19:06] MinceR XRevan86: or some of the staff deciding to sell it for money [19:06] schestowitz they will do it to one another one day [19:06] schestowitz and then liberate.neo [19:06] schestowitz or libre.irc [19:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: They did pull out a sword on rasengan, but it was self-defence. [19:06] schestowitz or whatever [19:06] schestowitz what about rms? [19:06] psymin What would be the "right" way for a IRC service to be offered? [19:06] schestowitz did he threaten them [19:06] schestowitz ? [19:07] schestowitz psymin: it's a question of trust [19:07] MinceR psymin: servers run by people who host them, linked together [19:07] schestowitz LC is like 20,000 channels [19:07] schestowitz and no single member of staff likes all of them [19:07] XRevan86 schestowitz: Whether that counts as a sword is debatable. And if Libera is guilty because some people in it feel that way. [19:07] schestowitz irc.techrights is for techrights [19:07] MinceR not this "lease us a server as a donation and then we'll have our little clique run it" [19:07] schestowitz and that's about it [19:07] schestowitz there's no #microsoft here [19:07] psymin schestowitz, there is now :D [19:08] schestowitz haha [19:08] schestowitz don't click!!! [19:08] *schestowitz runs /list [19:08] schestowitz darn, you clicked !!! nooooooooo! [19:09] XRevan86 MinceR: Ironically, that's exactly the approach that would need a business model. [19:09] XRevan86 MinceR: And freenode, Ltd. does host its servers now, so that works out. [19:09] MinceR XRevan86: so what's the business model of most IRC networks? [19:10] schestowitz XRevan86: iirc, that's andrew's brother, alex [19:10] schestowitz Shills(R) [19:10] schestowitz [sic] [19:11] schestowitz btw, andrew runs his irc code off a shills[ [19:11] schestowitz (r) instance [19:11] schestowitz he told me [19:11] XRevan86 schestowitz: I suppose, I don't know how to wrap my head around this in a legal sense though. [19:11] schestowitz so there's a cross-platform/company promotion thing [19:11] schestowitz Shills (r) never caught on [19:11] schestowitz it's not an attractive option for any practical use case [19:12] schestowitz except maybe education, but for that too better options exist [19:12] XRevan86 one way or another, freenode, Ltd. needs to have a business, and instead it's leeching off another commercial entity [19:12] schestowitz they have an app with tracker [19:12] schestowitz and technically owned by a casino man [19:12] schestowitz Teddy Sagi or whatever [19:13] schestowitz a fake cypriot of the casino business [19:13] XRevan86 MinceR: Most IRC networks have a no responsibility approach, so I don't see what the argument about reliability is then. [19:13] schestowitz Kape's place in the puzzle is unknown to me, but Lee is clearly not in charge [19:14] schestowitz he merely holds a sear in the smaller entity owned and controlled by an Adelson of sorts [19:14] MinceR XRevan86: that's not the point, and also, the anti-free SJW networks aren't more reliable than the others [19:14] *schestowitz believes in choosing things based on seniority too, and LC is just too young at this point [19:15] schestowitz "IRC network QuakeNet was registered on netsplit.de in August 1998." https://netsplit.de/networks/QuakeNet/ [19:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [19:16] XRevan86 schestowitz: Libera has no symptoms of a young network, freenode does. [19:16] schestowitz It may suck, but at least you know it is likely to be around for the next 10 years or more [19:16] schestowitz https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php shows libera on the decline [19:16] psymin seniority can't be the only metric, mariadb vs mysql, libreoffice vs openoffice, etc. Seniority of those who do the work might be more relevant. [19:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [19:16] schestowitz maybe an error but watch how Libera went down [19:17] schestowitz psymin: those are the "success stories" [19:17] schestowitz how did Glimpse work out? [19:17] XRevan86 schestowitz: And so they fixed the issue that caused the problem. [19:17] psymin schestowitz, probably not well since I have no idea what glimpse is [19:17] MinceR psymin: if they did good work, that is [19:17] XRevan86 schestowitz: The only thing that brought Libera down is exactly what's been removed from the equation. [19:18] MinceR that decline seems short enough to be part of a weekly fluctuation (as seen before) [19:18] schestowitz "IRC network Libera.Chat was registered on netsplit.de in May 2021." https://netsplit.de/networks/Libera.Chat [19:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://netsplit.de/networks/Libera.Chat ) [19:18] schestowitz AFAIK, child mortality is still a thing [19:18] MinceR XRevan86: ah, so libera is not owned by a corporate entity? [19:18] schestowitz let's see how it matures [19:18] XRevan86 MinceR: Yes, it's actually not. [19:18] psymin I thought libera had an eu group behind it [19:18] XRevan86 Behind it there's a non-profit in which the actual staff is involved [19:19] MinceR XRevan86: "Libera Chat is a Swedish nonprofit organisation with organisation number 802535-6448" [19:19] XRevan86 and not whatever freenode, Ltd. was [19:19] MinceR XRevan86: are they lying on their website? [19:19] XRevan86 MinceR: I guess I misunderstood the words "corporate entity" [19:19] MinceR XRevan86: freenode used to be owned by a nonprofit and it didn't work out [19:19] schestowitz Libera Chat is a Swedish nonprofit organisation hosting a site and code on Microsoft's proprietary software monopolies and MASSIVE GPL violator [19:20] psymin wat [19:20] psymin oh you mean github? meh [19:20] schestowitz it's in sweden because of a person [19:20] schestowitz yes, libera.chat is Microsoft hosted [19:20] schestowitz proprietary [19:20] schestowitz and in NSA PRISM [19:20] schestowitz I like. +1 [19:20] XRevan86 schestowitz: Sweden is simply good enough. [19:20] schestowitz just what techrights digs [19:20] psymin schestowitz, the service itself is running on microsoft software, or just the codebase? [19:20] schestowitz sweden spies a lot [19:21] schestowitz for the US [19:21] psymin are there any nations that don't spy a lot? [19:21] schestowitz but that's not the main point [19:21] schestowitz psymin: depends who for [19:21] psymin sweden is in the US pocket, Assange :( [19:21] MinceR psymin: afaict the website is hosted by microsoft github and the source code is also hosted there [19:21] schestowitz they also blog there [19:21] schestowitz odd choice of platform [19:21] XRevan86 That will be the thing that will bring Libera down [19:21] psymin true, but they are 'young' [19:21] schestowitz maybe they'll call #techrights "Extremist" one day [19:22] XRevan86 while freenode will be able to leech off Shells for an eternity [19:22] MinceR don't they already? [19:22] schestowitz for urging people to delete what's hosting LC [19:22] schestowitz and managing their code [19:22] schestowitz and their blogs [19:22] MinceR a network that isn't leeching is a better choice [19:22] psymin well, technically any activism for the underdog is extremism [19:22] gustaf isn't EFnet the oldest [19:23] schestowitz yo dawn, I herd you root for underdog [19:23] MinceR whatever they split off is older [19:23] schestowitz *dawg [19:23] MinceR nvm, A-net vanished [19:23] schestowitz gustaf: not dalnet? [19:23] XRevan86 gustaf: No, it's a "descendant" [19:23] MinceR so yeah, i guess so [19:23] XRevan86 gustaf: So if Libera is young, then EFnet is not the oldest. [19:23] MinceR still, efnet sucks almost as hard as ircnet does [19:23] MinceR they have no services [19:23] MinceR except for chanfis [19:24] MinceR s/s$/x/ [19:24] MinceR which they claim "may sometimes work" [19:24] CrystalMath ircnet doesn't even have that [19:24] CrystalMath but it has reop mode [19:24] schestowitz So they are like Microsoft -> [19:23] they have no services [19:24] kingoffrance " any activism for the underdog is extremism" <<<< yeah, thats why "extremism" doesnt really mean anything except on a surface level [19:24] MinceR yeah, ircnet has reop list, which also doesn't work [19:24] CrystalMath which can get interesting in the case of a netsplit : [19:24] CrystalMath :P [19:24] kingoffrance you always have to step back and say "according to who" [19:25] kingoffrance ditto "moderate" [19:25] schestowitz to an extremist, the non-extreme seems extreme [19:25] kingoffrance ^ [19:25] kingoffrance yep [19:25] schestowitz RMS says "extreme capitalism" iirc [19:25] schestowitz he refers to things like hedge funds [19:25] schestowitz which would likely label RMS "extremist" [19:26] schestowitz it's a label for law-making [19:26] gustaf he is [19:26] schestowitz how to BAN something that competes with me, vying for power [19:26] kingoffrance truth is extreme to liars etc. [19:26] schestowitz Microsoft has done this for decades to free software, and STILL does [19:26] schestowitz hence the whole "remove RMS" thing [19:27] schestowitz a moderator in a debate with Trump and HRC [19:27] schestowitz moderate [19:27] schestowitz between two extremes [19:27] psymin if libra.chat was on gitlab would the MS link be broken for them? [19:27] schestowitz (extremes not being the opposites) [19:27] schestowitz psymin: I convinced freenode to move to gitlab [19:28] schestowitz but freenode sucks in other areas [19:28] schestowitz that was before SHTF [19:28] XRevan86 and freenode has more resources (Shells) [19:29] XRevan86 psymin: MS link? [19:29] techrights-news #epo #patent applications fall. Maybe the applicants finally realise that EPO will be defunct in a number of years the way things are going? https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sj35y549wg05/this-week-in-ip-inhouse-want-remote-mix-ncaa-relaxes-rights-rules-uspto-releases-arthrex-guidance http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/epo-potential-improvements/ [19:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | This week in IP: In-house want remote mix, NCAA relaxes rights rules, USPTO releases Arthrex guidance | Managing Intellectual Property [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Staff Representation Again Warns About Collapse in Patent Quality (Due to Bad Management), Suggests Potential Improvements | Techrights [19:31] schestowitz XRevan86: you did not know? [19:31] schestowitz anyway, moving to something called "LIBER" something or "LIBRE" something just to see it's loads of Microsoft tolerance is like watching your first date eating with the hands [19:31] schestowitz you're not going to get a very good first impression [19:32] XRevan86 schestowitz: About what? [19:32] schestowitz if the FSF branched out to a new network [19:32] schestowitz and FSF has been around since the 1980s [19:32] schestowitz and FSF stands for freedom [19:32] schestowitz I'd branch out to it [19:32] schestowitz if they allow #techrights to have a channel there [19:33] schestowitz because they have more credibility [19:33] schestowitz and they don't sign a petition to remove the father of our movement [19:33] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@c3u36vcnrkska.irc) has joined #techrights [19:33] schestowitz who is also critical of EPO, swpats etc. [19:33] schestowitz I hope that sort of gets the point across [19:33] schestowitz first impressions and track record count for something [19:33] XRevan86 What is "MS link"? [19:33] psymin schestowitz, first impressions stick, github first impressions were formed prior to the microsoft stuff [19:34] schestowitz I was happy to host with kaniini because I've known her online for ages [19:34] schestowitz not some random person online [19:34] psymin FSF should have their own infrastructure [19:34] schestowitz and willing to take lots of s* from people (who want to silence me) [19:34] schestowitz psymin: I told them so [19:34] *XRevan86 saw this (jess): https://twitter.com/jessnode/status/1411370678138413059 [19:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jessnode: the reason github wins out over gitea/gitlab/etc is a lot of people want simple centralised networks. it's sad but true [19:34] schestowitz RMS responded [19:34] schestowitz XRevan86: weak talking point [19:34] schestowitz move to a mac too [19:35] MinceR a lot of people want proprietary software, so libera supports proprietary software [19:35] schestowitz many people want "steve jobs"-blessed glorified PC [19:35] MinceR what's next? "cancel RMS because a lot of people want him cancelled"? [19:35] schestowitz techrights should have a discord channel [19:35] schestowitz many people are on discord [19:35] schestowitz if Microsoft finds money to buy discord, cool [19:36] MinceR lol [19:36] schestowitz because Microsoft has many connections to Epstein [19:36] psymin a discord presence will bring a lower quality engagement [19:36] schestowitz and Epstein "knows lots of rich people" [19:36] MinceR libera could become a discord guild [19:36] schestowitz (what Bill said when he was the worst's richest) [19:36] psymin but a lot of people will learn about techrights if it is there [19:36] schestowitz about meeting what he already knew was a monster... many times, even on his plane and in his prison cell [19:36] XRevan86 psymin: Discord has barely any discovery, so no. [19:37] XRevan86 > if lib[e]ra.chat was on gitlab would the MS link be broken for them? [19:37] XRevan86 psymin: I still can't understand what this means. [19:37] schestowitz psymin: credibility matters more than - pardon the term - 'newbs [19:37] schestowitz you end up having to wrestle over basics [19:38] schestowitz like an IRC channel where we have to have arguments over why Windows sucks [19:38] schestowitz we have a pOlish-germany person here who for months bragged about wsl and freebsd [19:38] psymin XRevan86, schestowitz has been talking about libera.chat using microsoft services [19:38] XRevan86 psymin: Ah, your question was if GitHub is the only tie to Microsoft [19:38] XRevan86 yes, it is. [19:39] schestowitz some days ago I wrote several things about the "discoverability" myths [19:39] schestowitz but it's so old (3 days I think) that it's above my scrollback thresholds [19:40] schestowitz it's a monopolists' talking point [19:40] psymin XRevan86, discovery aside, the defacto standard for centralized, closed source, real-time group text chat, seems to be Discord. IRC is a barrier to entry that brings more relevant engagement for free software stuff, in my opinion. [19:40] schestowitz sales pitch/propaganda line [19:40] schestowitz join twitter!! [19:40] schestowitz we have many users!! [19:40] schestowitz (they don't) [19:40] schestowitz many not active, lots of "follower farms", little engagement or low-quality "engagement" (their term) [19:40] psymin my experience with warfork on discord really turned me off to public discord communities for a bit, I have strong bias now. [19:41] schestowitz in 2016 I got 22+ million impressions in a month [19:41] schestowitz now it's like barely a million [19:41] schestowitz and who knows how Twitter calculates it, they might fake it like fakebook does [19:41] schestowitz to drive up ad prices [19:42] schestowitz btw [19:42] schestowitz re shithub [19:42] schestowitz linuxWasRight [19:42] schestowitz shithub would bring bad code [19:42] schestowitz if you cannot use git command and email [19:42] schestowitz then bye bye [19:42] MinceR my experience with dicksword users over gateways to IRC really turned me off public dicksword communities [19:42] schestowitz no loss [19:42] schestowitz your code was likely not worth the review time anyway [19:43] schestowitz hooking up kernel.org with more vandals via shithub has a cautionary tale now [19:43] schestowitz known as University of Minnesota [19:43] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/150248 [19:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Heres Why University of Minnesota is Likely to be Banned from Contributing to Linux Kernel Code | Tux Machines [19:43] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/04/27/university-of-minnesota-linux/ [19:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | University of Minnesota Has Destroyed Itself (or Its Reputation) by Trying to Destroy Linux and the Credibility of Linux | Techrights [19:43] schestowitz shithub opens up the door to more such vandals [19:43] psymin MinceR, yeah, there is a huge cultural difference. Tribes / cliques seem to curate different cultures on the different platforms, even with the same topic. [19:44] schestowitz who don't even don a glorified email tld [19:44] schestowitz like a .edu [19:44] MinceR also a huge intelligence difference [19:44] schestowitz something at microsoft dot com [19:44] MinceR i haven't spoken to people that dumb in a long time [19:44] schestowitz BTW, I'm happy it's harder to comment in TR now [19:45] schestowitz I don't need to think wtf to do with a "qanon" comment on my gates foundation articles [19:45] schestowitz few of them tried to come to irc [19:45] psymin MinceR, I'm pretty dumb [19:45] schestowitz couldn't even follow the conversation and then left [19:46] schestowitz we never had to ban them, they just didn't fit in [19:46] schestowitz we might not fit into some irc networks [19:46] schestowitz esp. if we criticised while within [19:46] psymin community guidelines / community curation is a tricky thing [19:46] schestowitz freenode has not (yet) threatens to kick us out for criticising them [19:46] schestowitz *threatened [19:46] schestowitz and we DID test some boundaries [19:47] techrights-news "On remand, the Federal Circuit will consider how these caveats play into the specific case here where the claims were apparently changed substantially post-assignment." #patents #patent #cafc #scotus https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/assignor-estoppel-specifically.html [19:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Assignor Estoppel Persists -- But Only for Claims Specifically Assigned [19:47] MinceR psymin: you're not even close to being as dumb as the people i'm talking about [19:48] schestowitz gamingOnLinux has some discord "channel" or whatever they call it [19:48] schestowitz liam wrote about it when the fake software company wanted to take over it [19:48] schestowitz liam dawe wasn't too happy [19:48] schestowitz but he had invested in a dodgy platform [19:49] schestowitz shithub is a loss leader [19:49] schestowitz they might start charging one day [19:49] schestowitz for all accounts [19:49] schestowitz losses: http://techrights.org/2020/04/08/githug/ [19:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHug A Guest Article by Thomas Grzybowski | Techrights [19:50] schestowitz also loss of projects (new ones) http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/ [19:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights [19:50] schestowitz so bad decision, bad logistics longtime [19:50] schestowitz freenode was shaky all year [19:51] schestowitz and we tried to work behind the scenes (email etc.) to prevent this fracturing [19:51] schestowitz now we're partitioned into 3 networks [19:51] schestowitz but because IRC as a protocol is not proprietary we're still surviving OK [19:52] schestowitz 43 users here, 53 in freenode, 31 in LC (who really ought not be there) [19:52] schestowitz some projects died completely because of bad choices [19:53] schestowitz data losses, buyouts, service shutdowns [19:53] schestowitz some "journalists" wrote for publishers that became defunct [19:53] psymin I don't use the gol discord, I might be on it though. [19:53] schestowitz so not only were they rendered unemployed; all their hard work (articles) is now offline [19:53] schestowitz they were so burned and demoralised by those whole thing that they just sought a career change [19:55] techrights-news #Patents are not about freedom to operate but the exact opposite https://www.keltie.com/knowledge/why-its-important-to-file-oppositions-at-the-epo-to-increase-your-freedom-to-operate see http://techrights.org/2017/10/27/keltie-llp-swpats/ and http://techrights.org/2017/09/27/ip-europe-and-epo-again/ [19:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.keltie.com | Why Its Important to File Oppositions at the EPO to Increase Your Freedom to Operate [19:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Keltie LLP Advertises Dodging Patent Rules (Software Patents) and Dodging Tax | Techrights [19:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Now a Megaphone of IP Europe, a Front Group of Patent Maximalists | Techrights [19:57] techrights-news Lots of this is just bogus and phony #softwarepatents with misleading descriptions piggybacking hype and novel-sounding acronyms https://www.mondaq.com/patent/1086792/analysis-of-patent-filing-trends-on-self-driving-technologies-and-maas-related-technologies #swpats http://techrights.org/2016/04/10/car-innovation-and-swpats/ [19:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Analysis Of Patent Filing Trends On Self-Driving Technologies And MaaS-related Technologies - Intellectual Property - Japan [19:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | With Software Patents in Autonomous Cars Few Giants Want a Monopoly on Driving, Not Just Physical Car Components | Techrights [19:59] techrights-news Maybe they should solve problems instead of looking to just monopolise alleged solutions (or 'monetise' Alzheimers and Parkinsons) https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/157899/us-grants-new-patent-targeting-major-neurodegenerative-diseases/ #patent #patents #monopolies [19:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/157899/us-grants-new-patent-targeting-major-neurodegenerative-diseases/ ) ● Jul 04 [20:01] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [20:01] *activelow (~activelow@7au7cchx5x986.irc) has joined #techrights [20:03] techrights-news "Hit the nail on the head that AK hates sales people. Hes moving to a model where the tech folks are going to be the point of contact. Hes gutting the sales organization. He has no idea what sales people do [...] This is going to be fun to watch as someone who left ibm earlier this year." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bFu5faU#replies [20:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Could this be a good thing? - post regarding IBM layoffs [20:04] techrights-news "maybe IBM are now going to blue wash red hat, so Jim had to go." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bELGiJP#replies #ibm #redhat (Comment 9 hours old) [20:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Jim Whitehurst and Bridget van Kralingen are out in an IBM leadership shakeup - post regarding IBM layoffs [20:04] techrights-news Whitehurst was not pushed out. http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/whitehurst-gave-up/ [20:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Whitehurst Was Always Very Optimistic and Positive But With IBM in Charge He No Longer Is | Techrights [20:14] techrights-news Links 4/7/2021: Raspberry Digital Signage 16.0 and Lots About Patents http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/raspberry-digital-signage/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/raspberry-digital-signage/ [20:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/7/2021: Raspberry Digital Signage 16.0 and Lots About Patents | Techrights [20:15] techrights-news 15 more signatures and "open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" will have 6,800 in total. Then I'll plot the graphs again. #failedCoup #fsf #gnu #rms [20:36] DaemonFC https://fedoramagazine.org/mount-cue-bin-image-files-with-cdemu/ [20:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Mount cue/bin image files with CDemu - Fedora Magazine [20:40] schestowitz DaemonFC: are you preparing for repair? [20:41] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/05/20/224bde28070e29bc.jpg [20:43] techrights-news OK, well, I've decided to plot the two letters re #RMS earlier than first planned. Coming soon, running the computation on the two git repos. [20:45] DaemonFC The laptop is at Lenovo right now. [20:45] DaemonFC So hopefully it comes back soon. [20:45] techrights-news #9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 4th, 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153027 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 4th, 2021 | Tux Machines [20:46] techrights-news #Ardour 6.8 Released With A Bunch of New Features and Bug Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153028 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ardour 6.8 Released With A Bunch of New Features and Bug Fixes | Tux Machines [20:58] MinceR https://nitter.fdn.fr/roustem/status/1411744813037334530 https://twitter.com/roustem/status/1411744813037334530 [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.fdn.fr | Roustem Karimov (@roustem): "In Kubernetes, secrets are base64 encoded, so they are quite secure. https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/managing-secrets-kubernetes-pods" | FDNitter [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@roustem: In Kubernetes, secrets are base64 encoded, so they are quite secure. https://t.co/mCthbRB3W3 [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.redhat.com | Managing secrets for Kubernetes pods | Enable Sysadmin ● Jul 04 [21:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 108.88 swarm size (avg): 306.49 [21:03] techrights-news Petitions Update: Anti-Richard Stallman Letter (Call for Removal) Likely to Fall to 2000s and Support Letter to Exceed 7,000 Signatures by End of Summer http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/2-rms-petitions-in-july/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/2-rms-petitions-in-july/ [21:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Petitions Update: Anti-Richard Stallman Letter (Call for Removal) Likely to Fall to 2000s and Support Letter to Exceed 7,000 Signatures by End of Summer | Techrights [21:05] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [21:05] techrights-news #RichardStallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ [21:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) | Techrights [21:06] techrights-news #ibm #redhat https://nitter.fdn.fr/roustem/status/1411744813037334530 [21:06] schestowitz MinceR: I like the video clip [21:07] schestowitz https://twitter.com/omatachyru/status/1411759210061250567 [21:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@omatachyru: @TwitchiH @whitingdev @roustem I don't think we need this, the author is probably having a bad enough day as it is. https://t.co/vmEJwlExiI [21:07] schestowitz " [21:07] schestowitz I don't think we need this, the author is probably having a bad enough day as it is. Maybe give the author a break and realize that we all make mistakes. [21:07] schestowitz I'm sure some of my articles have small errors that slip through the cracks too. [21:07] schestowitz " [21:07] schestowitz Alluding to Allowhurst? [21:07] MinceR true, i made mistakes too [21:08] MinceR like using rh/ibm products [21:10] DaemonFC Lenovo support still uses IBM mail addresses. [21:10] DaemonFC They'll probably move in to scrape up what's left of IBM at some point anyway I guess. [21:11] schestowitz when the brand IBM becomes a liability [21:11] schestowitz for lenovo it was historically the opposite [21:11] schestowitz because some "chinese company" seemed less legit then "big blue" [21:13] DaemonFC They'll wait until IBM is worth pennies and negoatiate the sale of the rest of the company. [21:13] DaemonFC Probably a lot of it will be agreeing to assume debt. [21:15] MinceR if only that chinese company didn't fuck up so many of the valuable things they bought [21:15] MinceR like the TrackPoint and the keyboard [21:16] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/hVlAzo9nPgc so much sass [21:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[1317] EXCLUSIVE Footage of Slash Testing In Progress! - YouTube [21:17] techrights-news Reference For Preliminary Ruling In The #Nokia #Daimler Dispute Falls As Daimler Signs A #Patent Licensing Agreement https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1085334/reference-for-preliminary-ruling-in-the-nokia-daimler-dispute-falls-as-daimler-signs-a-patent-licensing-agreement #microsoft killed Nokia. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia [21:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Reference For Preliminary Ruling In The Nokia Daimler Dispute Falls As Daimler Signs A Patent Licensing Agreement - Intellectual Property - European Union [21:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - Techrights [21:20] techrights-news "The #USPTO Notice focuses on prophetic examples stemming from experimental results, and thus remains to be seen whether the requirements will be practically extended to situations involving prophetic embodiments and use-cases presented without any experimental results." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/disclosed-embodiments-prophetic.html [21:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Do you Tell the PTO that the Disclosed Embodiments are Merely Prophetic? [21:21] techrights-news Judging by the pace of removal from the hate letter and the speed at which open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation grows (15 more signatures until 6,800 in total) we predict that in a couple of months the gap will widen... http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/2-rms-petitions-in-july/ [21:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Petitions Update: Anti-Richard Stallman Letter (Call for Removal) Likely to Fall to 2000s and Support Letter to Exceed 7,000 Signatures by End of Summer | Techrights [21:22] techrights-news #Switzerland talk by #rms 4 months before #mit turned against him in collusion with media eager to distract from what #billgates had done with J. Epstein in MIT. http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ [21:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) | Techrights [21:24] techrights-news Terms like "harmonising #EU case law" sound like the toxic and unconstitutional agenda of #TeamUPC https://www.managingip.com/article/b1shyt2qhbcryg/doctrine-of-equivalents-still-murky-despite-birss-ruling-lawyers #uk #Actavis [21:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Doctrine of equivalents still murky despite Birss ruling: lawyers | Managing Intellectual Property [21:27] techrights-news "In the decision of 7 October 2020, the BGH annulled the appeal courts judgment that had found the community design No. 001344022-0006 invalid." #patent http://trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/23/patent-and-design-protection-not-mutually-exclusive-paper-dispenser-decision-of-the-german-federal-court-of-justice/ [21:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com | Patent and design protection not mutually exclusive Paper Dispenser decision of the German Federal Court of Justice - Kluwer Trademark Blog [21:28] techrights-news "From 1 September 2021, an application for registration of a #trademark or appellation of origin of goods within the EEU may be filed with any IP office of a member country." https://www.marques.org/blogs/class46/?XID=BHA5004 [21:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marques.org | MARQUES [21:29] techrights-news The #Beijing Treaty: A step forward in the protection of related rights in audiovisual performances http://copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/18/the-beijing-treaty-a-step-forward-in-the-protection-of-related-rights-in-audiovisual-performances/ #china #cn [21:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.com | The Beijing Treaty: A step forward in the protection of related rights in audiovisual performances - Kluwer Copyright Blog [21:30] techrights-news The Brazilian Supreme Court defines the effects of the decision declaring the unconstitutionality of the sole paragraph of article 40 of the Industrial Property Law https://iptango.blogspot.com/2021/06/guest-post-brazilian-supreme-court.html [21:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iptango.blogspot.com | [Guest Post] The Brazilian Supreme Court defines the effects of the decision declaring the unconstitutionality of the sole paragraph of article 40 of the Industrial Property Law - IPTango [21:31] techrights-news "This analysis raises a wider question around the value of product design and what mark is adopted in the first place and why." http://trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/25/tefal-spot-the-difference-consumers-apparently-cant/ [21:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com | TEFAL: Spot the difference? Consumers apparently can't. - Kluwer Trademark Blog [21:33] techrights-news Campaign highlights risks and damages of IPR infringement https://www.marques.org/blogs/class46/?XID=BHA5007 "It is part of the annual Pan-European Media Campaign and also marked World Anti-Counterfeiting Day on 8 June." #euipo is corrupt http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [21:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marques.org | MARQUES [21:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [21:34] techrights-news Linux Gets New Thermal Driver Code Ahead of Alder Lake - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-int340x-Alder-Lake #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest [21:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Gets New Thermal Driver Code Ahead of Alder Lake - Phoronix [21:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [21:37] techrights-news #DuckDuckGo is a #privacy #scam that 'FOSS' sites ought not promote or endorse https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/search-duckduckgo-from-terminal-ubuntu/ see http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/duckduckgo-in-2021/ [21:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuhandbook.org | Search DuckDuckGo from Terminal in Ubuntu Linux via ddgr Command | UbuntuHandbook [21:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why You Should Avoid DuckDuckGo (DDG) 2021 Edition, Now Microsoft-Hosted and With Extra Privacy Risks | Techrights [21:38] techrights-news LOL. #TheLinuxExperiment : "What can desktop Linux learn from [Microsoft malware]" (just now)... can we please stop comparing #VAPOURWARE to REAL products that exist today, such as #gnu #linux distros? Thanks. [21:44] techrights-news Celebrating clear misuse of the "Linux" mark to promote listening devices that are invasive https://analyticsindiamag.com/voice-interoperability-movement-gathers-momentum-thanks-to-linux-foundation/ see http://techrights.org/2021/06/23/linux-foundation-and-linux-brand/ [21:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-analyticsindiamag.com | Voice Interoperability Movement Gathers Momentum, Thanks To Linux [21:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Time for Linus Torvalds to Enforce and Protect His Brand From Misuse by His Employer, the So-called Linux Foundation | Techrights [21:44] psydroid_ so apparently Audacity doesn't build against upstream and distro sources anymore, but they are maintaining their own forks for several libraries [21:45] CrystalMath psydroid_: eh, that's dumb [21:45] psydroid_ that's not what it was like a decade ago and it's a mess [21:45] psydroid_ indeed [21:45] psydroid_ https://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Building_for_Distros [21:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.audacityteam.org | Building for Distros - Audacity Wiki [21:46] CrystalMath but i mean, i have 2.3.2 [21:46] CrystalMath why would i ever upgrade it? :P [21:46] psydroid_ I cloned the sources before the telemetry merge request :) [21:46] CrystalMath which version was that? [21:46] psydroid_ but I really think the project should be forked and fixed [21:47] schestowitz it'll happen, depending on what they do [21:47] schestowitz they know it [21:47] schestowitz actually, it doesn't need to be forked [21:47] schestowitz we already exercise power [21:47] schestowitz by expressing possible intend to fork [21:47] schestowitz which keeps them honest [21:47] schestowitz it's a deterrence strategy and so far it has mostly worked [21:48] CrystalMath you can also patch the telemetry out [21:48] CrystalMath and distribute audacity with that patch [21:48] schestowitz notice when they published the page, July 3rd [21:48] schestowitz Saturday, a day before some special day too [21:49] psydroid_ CrystalMath, I think it was after 3.0.2 [21:49] psydroid_ I cloned the sources as soon as the news about the telemetry thing broke [21:50] psydroid_ we were talking about it here on the channel on that day [21:53] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153029 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:53] techrights-news #VollaPhone X rugged phone is available for pre-order with Ubuntu Touch or Android http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153030 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Volla Phone X rugged phone is available for pre-order with Ubuntu Touch or Android | Tux Machines [21:55] schestowitz CrystalMath: this is covered in 53:00 in http://techrights.org/?p=146098 [21:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) | Techrights [21:55] schestowitz exactly this point [21:57] techrights-news #Netflix Not Working on 32-bit Linux? Blame it on Google http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153031 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Netflix Not Working on 32-bit Linux? Blame it on Google | Tux Machines [21:59] techrights-news #postmarketOS Release: v21.06 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153032 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | postmarketOS Release: v21.06 | Tux Machines ● Jul 04 [22:03] techrights-news #NuTyX 21.07.2 available with cards 2.4.132 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153033 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NuTyX 21.07.2 available with cards 2.4.132 | Tux Machines [22:04] techrights-news Latest (7 days) #techrights videos http://techrights.org/videos/ [22:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Index [22:04] immibis http://www.darkaudacity.com [22:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkaudacity.com | Dark Audacity [22:05] immibis dunno anything about this fork but someone linked it elsewhere [22:07] techrights-news In 01:04:00 of this talk #RMS blasts #microsoft #github over #licensing abuse http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ now we know Microsoft also uses GitHub for mass GPL violations... very interesting. This is 2 years ago. [22:07] techrights-news Reproducible Builds: #ReproducibleBuilds in June 2021 https://reproducible-builds.org/reports/2021-06/ #security [22:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reproducible Builds in June 2021 reproducible-builds.org [22:09] techrights-news "License: GNU Affero General Public License 3" https://sparkylinux.org/nuclear/ [22:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | Nuclear SparkyLinux [22:09] schestowitz "Ariadne Conill published a detailed blog post this month detailing their work on security issues and concerns in the Alpine Linux distribution. In particular, Ariadne included an interesting section on an effort to prove the reproducibility of Alpine package builds:" [22:09] schestowitz https://reproducible-builds.org/reports/2021-06/ [22:10] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [22:12] techrights-news #RMS refers to so-called "permissive" (non-reciprocal) licences as "weak licences". He blasts #IBM over it. Months later they worked to 'cancel' him. 01:09:00 in http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ [22:13] techrights-news "Right now I am actively working on 2 new projects simultaneously. First is preparing the talk for the upcoming #RakuLang Online Conference. It is going to be my personal journey to Raku." http://blogs.perl.org/users/mohammad_s_anwar/2021/07/monthly-report---june-2.html [22:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monthly Report - June | Mohammad S Anwar [blogs.perl.org] [22:14] techrights-news 2019 RMS (01:12:00): "How does #IBM react to copyleft?" http://techrights.org/?p=146098 "if we allowed IBM to make a proprietary modified version, it might do that instead." [22:17] techrights-news Updates: #Calamares and #QML http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153034 #kde #gnu #linux [22:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Updates: Calamares and QML | Tux Machines [22:18] techrights-news Editing and deleting mistakes and events too #Kalendar week 4 ( #GSoC 2021) https://claudiocambra.com/2021/07/04/editing-and-deleting-mistakes-and-events-too-kalendar-week-4-gsoc-2021/ #kde [22:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-claudiocambra.com | Editing and deleting mistakes and events too Kalendar week 4 (GSoC 2021) Claudio Cambra [22:25] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [22:26] phobos/fn https://ibmprojects.com/ [22:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ibmprojects.com | Home | IBM Projects [22:27] *inky (~inky@46.241.130.149) has joined #techrights [22:30] techrights-news #5 Popular Free and Open Source VPNs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153035 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw [22:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Popular Free and Open Source VPNs | Tux Machines [22:31] techrights-news Linux 5.14 Picks Up Support For New Sound Hardware, Including Alder Lake M - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-Sound #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/04/#latest [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 Picks Up Support For New Sound Hardware, Including Alder Lake M - Phoronix [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [22:33] techrights-news #CentOS Stream: Everything You Need to Know About it http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153036 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #IBM [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS Stream: Everything You Need to Know About it | Tux Machines [22:37] techrights-news "Has America (US actually) strayed from its founding ideals? An activist and a refugee think Bitcoin can help it get back on track." https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/bitcoin-and-the-american-idea [22:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bitcoinmagazine.com | Bitcoin And The American Idea - Bitcoin Magazine: Bitcoin News, Articles, Charts, and Guides [22:39] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [22:40] techrights-news [22:40] techrights-news #Audacity 3.0 called spyware over data collection changes by new owner http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153021#comment-30141 #freesw or #gpl licence will give us collective deterrence now [22:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audacity is now a Possible Spyware, Remove it ASAP | Tux Machines [22:41] techrights-news [Meme] Outsourcing #Audacity Development to Microsoft Proprietary Software and Then Copying Microsoft Tactics (and Telemetry) http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/telemetry-in-audacity/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/audacity-and-muse-group/ [22:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Outsourcing Audacity Development to Microsoft Proprietary Software and Then Copying Microsoft Tactics (and Telemetry) | Techrights [22:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Audacity Takeover by Muse Group is No Cause for Celebration | Techrights [22:43] techrights-news So Cormier is sticking around to run RH. It's only a matter of time before he's gone too. . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYXLedRLur0 https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bFQRoEF #ibm #redhat [22:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM CEO to CNBC: Paul Cormier is staying, running Red Hat - YouTube [22:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM CEO to CNBC: Paul Cormier is staying, running Red Hat - post regarding IBM layoffs [22:44] techrights-news "Whoever posted Tom is a solid executive, leader and person never worked for him. Ask any one in the system organization, he is hated big time. He is fake and a big time narcissist and just reads scripted messages and has questions planted in the audience at town halls." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bEhoBch#replies [22:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM chief Arvind Krishna cements his position as heir apparent quits - post regarding IBM layoffs [22:45] techrights-news Haha! "We all know the real reason Jim Whitehurst left was because he had "white" in his name and the SJWs over in Austin (JT) petitioned to remove him from the company to improve our "inclusive" culture." 'Stole' my joke? https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bDVckyc#replies [22:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | WhiteHurst - post regarding IBM layoffs [22:47] techrights-news #ibm has been struggling for over a decade, walking on eggshells this past year, and now in total "headless chicken" mode. #microsoft is next. They never evolved properly. Thought they can just buy companies to regain relevance. [22:47] Ariadne microsoft is now [22:47] Ariadne copilot was a huge mistake for them [22:49] gustaf it feels very tone-deaf [22:50] techrights-news "The #EPO Technical Board of Appeal later revoked the #patent for the medication, which is used to treat hypertension, blood pressure and similar heart..." https://www.law360.com/ip/articles/1399887 [22:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Servier Beats NHS' 220M Drug IP Suit At Top UK Court - Law360 [22:51] schestowitz Ariadne: I watched something interesting about this an hour ago [22:51] schestowitz [22:07] In 01:04:00 of this talk #RMS blasts #microsoft #github over #licensing abuse http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/rms-switzerland-talk/ now we know Microsoft also uses GitHub for mass GPL violations... very interesting. This is 2 years ago. [22:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) | Techrights [22:51] schestowitz he said that GitHub was already attacking the concept of freesw licensing [22:51] schestowitz and that when Microsoft took over he wasn't sure if they're made it even worse [22:51] schestowitz *making [22:52] gustaf are there stats for how popular different licenses are on GH [22:52] gustaf ? [22:52] gustaf maybe weighted by popularity? [22:53] gustaf I'm guessing MIT/BSD wins by a wide margin [22:54] schestowitz https://www.hortidaily.com/article/9334723/200-000-signatures-in-campaign-to-demand-stop-to-patents-on-seeds/ [22:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hortidaily.com | 200,000 signatures in campaign to demand stop to patents on seeds [22:54] schestowitz gustaf: it does not matter [22:54] gustaf https://github.blog/2015-03-09-open-source-license-usage-on-github-com/ [22:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.blog | Open source license usage on GitHub.com | The GitHub Blog [22:54] schestowitz it's biased towards disposition of its users [22:54] schestowitz we don't even know what proportion of all code is in thee [22:54] schestowitz *there [22:54] schestowitz maybe just 20% or less [22:55] schestowitz a lot will never be put in git either [22:55] schestowitz the microsoft-funded 'analysts' use Microsoft data [22:55] schestowitz to use github to mislead the public [22:55] schestowitz routing people to whatever licences suit microsoft [22:56] schestowitz they can certainly manipulate GH users [22:56] schestowitz but not much beyond that [22:57] schestowitz at least not directly [22:57] schestowitz they use the media istead [22:58] schestowitz the "GPL dying" chorus... [22:58] schestowitz like some of my keyboard is dying at this moment [22:58] schestowitz so I ca barely type and need to paste in chars ● Jul 04 [23:00] techrights-news Avoid #hp ... they make very fault keyboards and then they try to censor you writing about it http://techrights.org/2021/07/02/hp-censorship/ [23:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | HP Products Are Faulty and They Try to Censor Evidence of the Defects | Techrights [23:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 16.78 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 82.55 swarm size (avg): 306.27 [23:03] gustaf lol Twitter is drawing comparisons between fReenode and Audacity [23:04] gustaf schestowitz: they use this site https://choosealicense.com/ [23:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-choosealicense.com | Choose an open source license | Choose a License [23:04] XRevan86 gustaf: Dang, I knew I wasn't unique in that. I did it to annoy CrystalMath though :) [23:05] gustaf XRevan86: haha what? [23:05] XRevan86 gustaf: I've made such comparisons earlier today. [23:06] XRevan86 gustaf: Beginning with "Audacity is being cancelled!" as a starting point :) [23:06] gustaf ah ok! [23:06] gustaf I just search for "freenode" on Twitter now and then [23:06] Ariadne good, audacity should be cancelled [23:07] XRevan86 Ariadne: I want CrystalMath to experience cognitive dissonance from *wanting* to cancel Audacity. [23:07] Ariadne CrystalMath is a good person, no need to make them experience that :D [23:08] schestowitz you made some audio programs yourself.. [23:08] schestowitz at least oe [23:08] schestowitz *1 [23:08] schestowitz keyboard f'd [23:08] XRevan86 Ariadne: hah [23:09] schestowitz Trump was being 'canceled' in an election [23:14] schestowitz what happens to audacity covered in 53:00 in http://techrights.org/?p=146098 [23:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2019 Free Software Speech: Ethics and Freedom in a Digital Age (Zurich, Switzerland) | Techrights [23:14] schestowitz how user collectively control the program [23:16] schestowitz collective control over platforms in irc's case [23:16] schestowitz the licence just allows you to replicate the platform [23:16] schestowitz that's software freedom at work [23:16] schestowitz and a demonstration of its power [23:17] schestowitz like I said years ago, when glimpse was put forth, there was no strong enough rationale for it [23:17] schestowitz so it was doomed from the get-go [23:17] schestowitz it would never get enough devs behind it [23:18] schestowitz because "gimp" was just some acronym that made sense for like 25 years [23:18] schestowitz audacity now has a clueless owner, cla, and spying [23:18] schestowitz so the reasons to move all the team to another branch or for are piling up [23:18] schestowitz so the 'owner' (in the GPL sense) is controlled by the users [23:19] schestowitz and THIS IS WHAT WE WANT!!! [23:20] techrights-news Jumping the #linux shark https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rust-Independence-Linux-Kernel see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [23:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Latest Patches Sent Out For Adding Rust Support To The Linux Kernel - Phoronix [23:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [23:21] techrights-news What happens to #audacity right now shows the power, the strength, the advantages of #freesw ... the USERS ARE IN CHARGE. No tyranny by the few. We need everything to be like this... and for #swpats to go to Hell. [23:24] CrystalMath i think people don't understand what cancel culture means [23:24] CrystalMath like, for me, cancel culture involves unsubstantiated allegations [23:24] CrystalMath but for audacity you can just look into the code and find telemetry [23:25] MinceR people don't want to understand it [23:25] CrystalMath really what bothers me about this is that people think it's the same when the community attacks something WITH evidence, and when the community attacks something WITHOUT evidence [23:25] CrystalMath evidence is like the most important thing in the entire world [23:27] MinceR not to people who adhere to religion or feelings instead [23:30] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That's definitely not the correct definition. [23:31] schestowitz what is the defence for it? [23:33] CrystalMath defense of audacity? [23:34] CrystalMath i don't know, i haven't looked into that [23:34] CrystalMath even though i'm the usual devil's advocate here :P [23:35] Ariadne a company bought audacity, and have embedded spyware into it [23:35] *psydroid_ has quit (connection closed) [23:35] Ariadne and have a privacy policy that they will rat you out to the feds [23:35] Ariadne basically [23:35] CrystalMath according to the website, telemetry is opt-in [23:36] CrystalMath i wonder if it's also possible to disable at compile time [23:36] XRevan86 CrystalMath: It's hard to draw the line, but the way ye drew the line is definitely not it, that's just your trying to find a difference between what happened to freenode and what's happening to Audacity. And I don't agree with that there was no evidence either. [23:36] Ariadne it is [23:36] Ariadne but why deal with them [23:36] Ariadne when we can just fork [23:36] Ariadne :D [23:36] gustaf I think the Audacity community should continue using Audacity. It was, after all, Audacity that created it [23:36] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I have indeed caught up with the reality of things late, but the Libera knew a lot more than ye and I did. [23:36] gustaf to abandon the app because of some people whining is premature [23:36] XRevan86 * the Libera people [23:36] CrystalMath Ariadne: sure but laziness and lots more fun stuff to do and stuff [23:37] gustaf I'm sure it will all work out fine in the end [23:37] Ariadne gustaf: i propose forking the app [23:37] CrystalMath i mean, ./configure --disable-telemetry [23:37] gustaf Ariadne: but that sounds disloyal to the Audactiy brand! [23:37] Ariadne dont care [23:37] CrystalMath gustaf: well i mean loyalty isn't necessary to free software [23:37] Ariadne no gods, no masters, no brands [23:37] XRevan86 okay, this is actually exactly like freenode [23:38] CrystalMath XRevan86: how? [23:38] XRevan86 again with the brand [23:38] gustaf ok I see my sarcasm isn't really registering ;) [23:38] gustaf it will be interesting to see how this goes [23:38] XRevan86 gustaf: Yea, the analogy is good. [23:38] gustaf I'm sure a lot of projects are looking at waht Audacity is doing and taking notes [23:38] CrystalMath i mean [23:39] gustaf telemetry could be a lucrative income stream [23:39] MinceR 05 003645 < XRevan86> CrystalMath: I have indeed caught up with the reality of things late, but the Libera knew a lot more than ye and I did. [23:39] MinceR and they would never lie to people, right? [23:39] CrystalMath i'll just compile audacity with --disable-telemetry [23:39] gustaf and AFAIK there's no real clause against it in most free software licenses [23:39] CrystalMath simple, easy fix [23:39] XRevan86 MinceR: Like they were saying that rasengan is a loon trumpist, and I didn't believe them. And then it turned out that he is. [23:39] CrystalMath and maybe also firejail it with net=none [23:40] XRevan86 Are they liars because the truth didn't register with us back then? [23:40] CrystalMath XRevan86: that says nothing to me about whether i want to use freenode or not [23:40] CrystalMath i mean, i'm not a loon anti-trumpist [23:40] gustaf Adobe has become a stock market darling by essentially mandating phone-home software [23:40] CrystalMath so i don't really care [23:40] XRevan86 CrystalMath: It's what people call "an example" [23:40] CrystalMath i'm okay with the owner of freenode believing in Trump, and if he believes in free speech too, that's actually *great* then [23:41] CrystalMath freenode was missing free speech before [23:41] CrystalMath there were problems because of that [23:41] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Yea, freenode will drain the swamp of toxic channels [23:41] XRevan86 that's what was promised to us [23:41] MinceR XRevan86: ah, so one thing they said was true, therefore everything they said was true [23:42] MinceR XRevan86: where does that put the libera staffers who signed a letter attacking RMS based on the signers' failure to understand written english and/or hearsay? [23:42] gustaf adding spyware to a program is free speech - change my mind [23:42] CrystalMath gustaf: heh [23:42] MinceR XRevan86: shall we redefine truth to make them right about that too? [23:42] XRevan86 MinceR: It all boils down to that letter? [23:42] MinceR XRevan86: no [23:42] CrystalMath gustaf: tbh i wouldn't disallow it, if it's a free software program it can be removed, if it's not a free program you shouldn't use it anyway [23:43] MinceR XRevan86: it boils down to the word of some people (who probably heard nearly everything they wrote from tomaw) against the word of another person, and we having zero reason to trust any of those people [23:43] CrystalMath and audacity made it easy to remove the telemetry features [23:43] techrights-news #zdnet is now a #microsoft #vapourware spamming machine [23:43] gustaf ...for now [23:43] MinceR 05 004057 < CrystalMath> i'm okay with the owner of freenode believing in Trump, and if he believes in free speech too, that's actually *great* then [23:43] MinceR are lolrandom zlines "believing in free speech" too? [23:44] CrystalMath MinceR: you mean because of exceeding the connection limit? [23:44] MinceR it wasn't justified [23:44] techrights-news #zdnet and #techrepublic (same #marketing company): a propaganda front for two dying giants that think their sole problem is marketing (not enough spamming) and cannot produce compelling stuff [23:44] CrystalMath only bots got z-lined [23:44] MinceR right [23:44] MinceR bots like schestowitz [23:44] gustaf haha [23:44] CrystalMath MinceR: ah, well some people got caught in a z-line that was intended against a bot [23:44] CrystalMath one of my friends as well [23:44] MinceR is that free speech? [23:44] CrystalMath yes [23:45] MinceR interesting [23:45] CrystalMath it's a mistake [23:45] CrystalMath nobody was banned for speech [23:45] XRevan86 MinceR: Do ye want to go through what's been said by the staff? [23:45] MinceR there are too many damn mistakes in the operation of freenode [23:45] schestowitz [23:43] and audacity made it easy to remove the telemetry features [23:45] gustaf moderation is free speech... the free speech of an orgnization [23:45] MinceR XRevan86: no, i already have [23:45] schestowitz it should be removed at source level [23:45] schestowitz and eradicated [23:45] schestowitz it's a bug [23:45] CrystalMath MinceR: actually it was that new ircd that made it hard to even see who's affected [23:45] schestowitz in two sense of the word [23:45] CrystalMath MinceR: it took a while to figure out what z-line affected my friend [23:45] MinceR XRevan86: maybe you want to go over the evidence the staff presented for their arguments... oh wait, they didn't present any. [23:46] CrystalMath but really this can be solved [23:46] XRevan86 MinceR: https://kline.sh/ point out a lie in the first three paragraphs here for instance [23:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kline.sh | freenode now belongs to Andrew Lee, and I'm leaving for a new network. [23:46] MinceR CrystalMath: yes, by using an ircd the staff understands and has read the documentation for [23:46] MinceR XRevan86: i don't know which parts are lies, as we don't know the facts, only the words of one faction against another [23:46] MinceR XRevan86: but if you have objective evidence, you're welcome to present it to the world [23:47] MinceR XRevan86: it's quite clear that they can't all be right [23:47] CrystalMath XRevan86: well okay, the first 3 paragraphs only really say "well it looks like my oligarchy is being replaced with some other oligarchy, i can't stand for that, so i'm gonna create an oligarchy-in-exile somewhere" [23:47] schestowitz MinceR: they can be alright [23:47] gustaf MinceR: regardless of what old Freenode staffers did or did not sign, rasengan and his goons literally kicked off the FSF from Freenode [23:48] CrystalMath XRevan86: i may see it as true, but i don't really see it as bad [23:48] gustaf and RMS himself is fine with FSF hosting their IRC on Libera [23:48] MinceR and so the FSF ran into the arms of the people who wanted to cancel them [23:48] MinceR RIP, FSF [23:48] gustaf dude, it's *IRC* [23:48] CrystalMath XRevan86: someone always has operational control over the network, and i'd rather have Andrew Lee than Fuchs [23:48] gustaf hardly crucial [23:48] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I've seen so many "Navalny just wants to replace Putin as the tsar, there's no point", and I am tired of this. [23:48] MinceR yeah, IRC ran by anti-free software SJWs [23:48] MinceR also where the FSF kept some of their meetings [23:48] schestowitz CrystalMath: For Fuchs sake! [23:48] gustaf mailing list access is way more important to the FSF [23:49] schestowitz relativism [23:49] schestowitz my hand is more important than a leg [23:49] MinceR but if they declared some other medium as being more important than mailing lists, it would be OK to run their mailing lists at microsoft? [23:49] schestowitz can I keep both, please? [23:49] XRevan86 CrystalMath: rasengan is someone I already know is a liar, about Fuchs all I have is untrustworthy. [23:49] CrystalMath XRevan86: so you want to look at *how* the network is run? okay, let's go to liberia's main channel and talk about how great Trump is, and how great Bernie is, as a test; which network will ban us? [23:50] CrystalMath i mean on both networks [23:50] XRevan86 so of course we can just go the "we don't know the whole truth" and just agree that literally everyone is a bad person [23:50] gustaf uh, that's off-topic on Libera [23:50] schestowitz on both [23:50] gustaf really? [23:50] schestowitz unless freenode realised all of "FOSS" left [23:50] gustaf oh yeah the topic says no politics [23:50] schestowitz and now they need to reinvent themselves somehow [23:50] gustaf CrystalMath: moderation is speech [23:50] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I could always get myself banned by asking **on**-topic things on freenode. [23:51] CrystalMath schestowitz: right it's not a good test, hmm... let me think [23:51] MinceR XRevan86: we already _know_ there are bad persons on both sides [23:51] CrystalMath it would have to be a long term thing [23:51] MinceR and also at oftc [23:51] CrystalMath like creating a far-right and far-left channel on both networks [23:51] schestowitz since 2009 our way for dealing with OT was branch out to a -social channel [23:52] schestowitz what is alt left? [23:52] schestowitz lol! [23:52] schestowitz you're like Trump now [23:52] XRevan86 CrystalMath: A pro-Hitler and a pro-Stalin channels [23:52] CrystalMath i didn't say alt-left [23:52] schestowitz or the friends of HRC [23:52] schestowitz who made up that ridiculous term [23:52] schestowitz later weaponised by Cheeto [23:52] XRevan86 and then when both get banned, we'll call Libera centrist [23:52] CrystalMath XRevan86: no, it's anti-free speech [23:52] CrystalMath i want a network that will allow BOTH [23:53] CrystalMath i don't want either of them banned [23:53] schestowitz what is far left? [23:53] XRevan86 schestowitz: CrystalMath had no problems with my using Stalin as one, so I guess tankies. [23:53] schestowitz CrystalMath: so go to a political network [23:54] schestowitz StaliNET [23:54] CrystalMath schestowitz: that's bullcrap, because free software programmers do politics too [23:54] CrystalMath it's not possible to escape it [23:54] CrystalMath politics comes up ALL THE TIME [23:54] schestowitz but not as main topic [23:54] MinceR politics have invaded free software [23:55] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Like "burn all the Jews", just natural discourse. [23:55] CrystalMath schestowitz: it does make sense to take it to a separate channel [23:55] CrystalMath but a separate network? that's kinda getting too tyrannical [23:55] CrystalMath better just use the network that allows it [23:56] techrights-news "The Waterford UPSTART Program is free to low-income families with 4-year-old children in six districts across the state." https://www.fox6now.com/news/software-program-bridges-the-education-gap but it needs to be #freesw [23:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fox6now.com | Software program bridges the education gap [23:56] MinceR rather, if you can find a network that allows it, you might as well use it for the other discourse as well [23:57] *inky_ (~inky@141.136.79.203) has joined #techrights [23:57] CrystalMath MinceR: yeah that's what i meant [23:58] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:58] XRevan86 MinceR: Yea, one can always discuss *both* burning the Jews *and* which filesystem to use on a NAS. [23:58] CrystalMath XRevan86: at the same time? [23:59] XRevan86 CrystalMath: in the same datacentre [23:59] schestowitz oh, btw [23:59] MinceR XRevan86: sounds like IBM [23:59] *bradchaus has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:59] schestowitz tuxmachines was banned by gab [23:59] schestowitz ages ago [23:59] schestowitz nazis ok [23:59] schestowitz freesw bad bad [23:59] CrystalMath yeah okay you told me about gab [23:59] CrystalMath it's sad to see that [23:59] XRevan86 schestowitz: Toxic channel, they drained the swamp is all. [23:59] CrystalMath they learned nothing from their predicament [23:59] MinceR lol [23:59] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/07/18/gab-not-free-speech/ [23:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Gab Isnt Free Speech But a Safe Space for Bigots That Censors Innocent Accounts Without Warning and Without Explanation for the Censorship