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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Maybe if the Bible weren't written down, stories from it would've grown more fun eventually. | Nov 04 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | Greek myths are practically folk stories, juiced up to be as engaging as possible | Nov 04 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Re: Microsoft and Moore’s Law | Nov 04 01:39 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.techradar.com/news/microsoft-cloud-services-may-be-hitting-their-limit-in-some-regions 🍿 | Nov 04 01:39 |
| schestowitz | So what you heard was correct. | Nov 04 01:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft cloud services may be hitting their limit in some regions | TechRadar | Nov 04 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/10/10/azure-is-losing-money/ | Nov 04 01:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Azure Apparently Losing Money and Microsoft Lies to Shareholders, in Effect Breaking the Law | Techrights | Nov 04 01:42 | |
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| schestowitz | >> https://www.techradar.com/news/microsoft-cloud-services-may-be-hitting-their-limit-in-some-regions 🍿 | Nov 04 02:10 |
| schestowitz | > So what you heard was correct. | Nov 04 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Yep. They’ve turned people away in other countries because of this already though, especially EMEA. This is just the first instance to hit the news. | Nov 04 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/dqxvh5/which_search_engine_is_best_for_privacy/ | Nov 04 03:44 |
| schestowitz | "EDIT: After researching for some time, I conclude that Searx is a clear winner here. Reasons:" | Nov 04 03:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Which search engine is best for privacy? : privacytoolsIO | Nov 04 03:44 | |
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| insmodppa | The problem with Searx (and other similar search sites) is that it's a proxy that aggregates results from proprietary search engines and it adds another question: can you trust the people running the proxy not to snoop on you like the corporations that serves the results? It is known that certain Searx servers come with user tracking, ironically the privacytools.io instance. | Nov 04 05:33 |
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| schestowitz | insmodppa: yes, the known issue | Nov 04 05:50 |
| schestowitz | so it's down to trust | Nov 04 05:50 |
| schestowitz | but also, no single person has all the data | Nov 04 05:51 |
| schestowitz | https://reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/dpqipq/who_owns_your_favorite_privacy_service_what_if/ | Nov 04 05:58 |
| schestowitz | "How do you make a profit?" | Nov 04 05:58 |
| schestowitz | 22 hours ago: | Nov 04 05:58 |
| schestowitz | "That is a good "follow the money" question!" | Nov 04 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Who owns your favorite privacy service? What if it's a pay-per-click ad tracking company -- or even Facebook or Google. We need to ask this -- and more. : privacytoolsIO | Nov 04 05:58 | |
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| MinceR | 04 021500 < XRevan86> MinceR: Maybe if the Bible weren't written down, stories from it would've grown more fun eventually. | Nov 04 07:02 |
| MinceR | maybe if it wasn't treated as a book of law | Nov 04 07:03 |
| MinceR | many people edited bullshit into it that they wanted to enforce against other people | Nov 04 07:03 |
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| schestowitz | #jonobacon advertising former employer and #microsoft https://www.jonobacon.com/2019/11/03/jason-warner-on-github-and-leadership/ Bacon is a 'traitror' to FOSS and to #ubuntu (or defector) http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/ | Nov 04 07:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jonobacon.com | Jason Warner on GitHub and Leadership - Jono Bacon | Nov 04 07:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | Techrights | Nov 04 07:10 | |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHSaAPHP6fE | Nov 04 07:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fat Cute Cat Going Under Door - YouTube | Nov 04 07:25 | |
| schestowitz | looks dangerous | Nov 04 07:33 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/632584.jpg | Nov 04 08:09 |
| schestowitz | Please double-check to see if I got formatting right... (done in a hurry due to limited time) | Nov 04 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Lies Are the Favourite Weapon of Bullies http://techrights.org/2019/11/04/weapon-of-bullies/ | Nov 04 08:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lies Are the Favourite Weapon of Bullies | Techrights | Nov 04 08:13 | |
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| MinceR | surprise and fear... fear and surprise | Nov 04 08:26 |
| MinceR | > Free software is a bit of a monoculture (it is becoming less of one | Nov 04 08:32 |
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| MinceR | seems to me it's rather becoming more of a monoculture | Nov 04 08:32 |
| MinceR | as ibm systematically kills off opposition | Nov 04 08:32 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/632439.jpg | Nov 04 08:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it mentions that | Nov 04 08:40 |
| MinceR | what does ●◄ mean? | Nov 04 08:42 |
| schestowitz | > i wasnt sure, but thats good to know. i would have already been very chuffed about 50%. | Nov 04 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 04 08:43 |
| schestowitz | > semantics are worth arguing about, but its much more tedious sometimes. sometimes im as guilty as anybody about that, but thanks for clarifying. cheers. | Nov 04 08:43 |
| schestowitz | better to spend time proofreading our articles etc. | Nov 04 08:43 |
| schestowitz | I've just published one of my own as well | Nov 04 08:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did you now see the new systemd logo? | Nov 04 08:43 |
| MinceR | no | Nov 04 08:43 |
| schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-New-Logo-2019 | Nov 04 08:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Systemd Has A New Logo As Other Features Build Up For The Next Release - Phoronix | Nov 04 08:44 | |
| MinceR | ah | Nov 04 08:44 |
| schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/1136017-systemd-has-a-new-logo-as-other-features-build-up-for-the-next-release#post1136017 | Nov 04 08:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Systemd Has A New Logo As Other Features Build Up For The Next Release - Phoronix Forums | Nov 04 08:44 | |
| MinceR | pretty good logo | Nov 04 08:44 |
| schestowitz | the comments are better | Nov 04 08:44 |
| MinceR | represents how everything must go into the one thing | Nov 04 08:44 |
| schestowitz | there's pacman about this... | Nov 04 08:44 |
| MinceR | > It's Lennart shouting to the community with a megaphone. | Nov 04 08:45 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 04 08:45 |
| MinceR | like istvan tarlos | Nov 04 08:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/people/a1fa7a60660a0137252a0cc47a07853c | Nov 04 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-JoinDiaspora* - Sign in | Nov 04 08:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://share.naturalnews.com/uploads/images/thumb_large_9fbc9856873265b5b847.png | Nov 04 08:46 |
| MinceR | :D | Nov 04 08:46 |
| schestowitz | still hosted by Microsoft | Nov 04 08:46 |
| schestowitz | and owned by IBM | Nov 04 08:46 |
| schestowitz | but so what? | Nov 04 08:46 |
| schestowitz | it's not like they're monopolies | Nov 04 08:47 |
| schestowitz | like systdmd | Nov 04 08:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "many people edited bullshit into it that they wanted to enforce against other people" – indeed, changes to the Bible weren't made to make it more engaging, but to enforce desired behaviour by the elites. | Nov 04 09:25 |
| XRevan86 | New systemd logo: is that this famous post-meta-irony? | Nov 04 09:27 |
| schestowitz | I can't even open phoronix anymore | Nov 04 09:28 |
| schestowitz | or not see the text | Nov 04 09:29 |
| schestowitz | unless I consent to malicious crap or open it in quirerss without JS | Nov 04 09:29 |
| XRevan86 | Caca Labs comes up with more æsthetically pleasing logos | Nov 04 09:29 |
| schestowitz | didn't know libcaca has a logo too | Nov 04 09:30 |
| schestowitz | caca is harmless | Nov 04 09:30 |
| schestowitz | cancer is now | Nov 04 09:31 |
| schestowitz | cancerd is cancer plus a demon | Nov 04 09:31 |
| schestowitz | /snow/not | Nov 04 09:31 |
| XRevan86 | Caca has intentionally crappy logos, albeit cute | Nov 04 09:31 |
| XRevan86 | Bad example, I suppose, since they're artistic. | Nov 04 09:32 |
| XRevan86 | I can't think of a worthy opponent | Nov 04 09:32 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/converting-tables-from-myisam-to-innodb | Nov 04 09:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Converting Tables from MyISAM to InnoDB - MariaDB Knowledge Base | Nov 04 09:59 | |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: that's how caca receives recognition | Nov 04 10:18 |
| schestowitz | controversy achieves this | Nov 04 10:18 |
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| XRevan86 | https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/issues/5555 | Nov 04 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WIP: Support Engineer Job family country-of-residence block (#5555) · Issues · GitLab.com / www-gitlab-com · GitLab | Nov 04 13:01 | |
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| psydroid | https://twrp.me/site/update/2019/10/23/twrp-and-android-10.html | Nov 04 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twrp.me | TWRP and Android 10 | Nov 04 15:30 | |
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| schestowitz | psydroid: what is the significance of it? | Nov 04 17:39 |
| schestowitz | I read a few paragraphs | Nov 04 17:40 |
| schestowitz | and I still don't quite get the point or relevance | Nov 04 17:40 |
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| psydroid | schestowitz, it is getting harder and harder to replace the firmware on phones. You could think of it as further tying Android devices to the software the devices came with, so mobile devices that come with a completely free software stack (such as the Pinephone) are becoming more important than ever | Nov 04 18:12 |
| schestowitz | IFF (if and only if) you depend on protable phones | Nov 04 18:14 |
| schestowitz | ime they can be avoided | Nov 04 18:15 |
| schestowitz | depending on your job/boss | Nov 04 18:15 |
| schestowitz | but they too can be understanding | Nov 04 18:15 |
| schestowitz | there's a body of research on various aspects that make these things not health, physically and mentally | Nov 04 18:15 |
| psydroid | I have several of these older devices that I have put LineageOS on and I also try to keep them away as much as possible because of these health disadvantages | Nov 04 18:19 |
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| psydroid | and I am also sticking with them and not buying new ones | Nov 04 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | my wife has a phone from 2012 | Nov 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | it's barely used for anything | Nov 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | haha, it has not even had credit to make a call... for YEARS | Nov 04 18:23 |
| psydroid | I am reachable on them using prepaid numbers, that's all | Nov 04 18:24 |
| psydroid | I mostly use my tablet for reading books, but I should look for a proper e-reader | Nov 04 18:25 |
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| MinceR | there is a problem with the systemd logo, though | Nov 04 19:12 |
| MinceR | it's not nearly complicated enough | Nov 04 19:12 |
| schestowitz | submit a big report in MS ShitHub then | Nov 04 19:14 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/632526.jpg | Nov 04 20:58 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://venturebeat.com/2019/11/04/microsoft-launches-visual-studio-online-public-preview-and-ml-net-1-4/ really github has nothing on this. | Nov 04 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft launches Visual Studio Online public preview and ML.NET 1.4 | VentureBeat | Nov 04 21:45 | |
| MinceR | all your code are belong to microsoft | Nov 04 21:47 |
| oiaohm | Exactly | Nov 04 21:48 |
| oiaohm | How long before the AI code assistant is adding code to make sure your stuff only works Microsoft products | Nov 04 21:49 |
| MinceR | as long as it's built in an IDE, they might not even need to do that | Nov 04 21:49 |
| MinceR | they can just change the binaries | Nov 04 21:49 |
| oiaohm | Its so if you export your code your are screwed as well. | Nov 04 21:50 |
| MinceR | or they can hide the code in some nearly or entirely unreadable stuff they put into the "project" | Nov 04 21:50 |
| MinceR | just like the way they hide magic behavior in the IDE and create the GUI forms differently if you use an editor built into the IDE instead of writing code | Nov 04 21:50 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/x019yBw.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/x019yBw ) | Nov 04 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"I think my cat might be broken." - GIF on Imgur | Nov 04 22:06 | |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/a3cOQfw.jpg ( https://imgur.com/gallery/lmmriKT ) | Nov 04 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Haha. Now they have to call him that. - Album on Imgur | Nov 04 22:18 | |
| XRevan86 | "officially". I wonder what that means here. | Nov 04 22:19 |
| MinceR | i've heard at least one sovereign state has laws that punish "misgendering" someone | Nov 04 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | Redditlandia? | Nov 04 22:20 |
| scientes | ^^^ | Nov 04 22:21 |
| MinceR | allegedly, canada | Nov 04 22:21 |
| scientes | MinceR, you mean if you call something with a penis a "He" you can be prosecuted for being an idiot? | Nov 04 22:21 |
| MinceR | something like that | Nov 04 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | Oh wait, that was stackoverflowia. Though it's probably both. | Nov 04 22:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 04 22:22 |
| scientes | MinceR, does it also apply to using the wrong genders on abiotic objects when speaking a gendered language? | Nov 04 22:22 |
| MinceR | reddit and SO are not sovereign states yet :> | Nov 04 22:22 |
| MinceR | scientes: probably not, but i don't know | Nov 04 22:22 |
| *XRevan86 thinks that respect goes before principles. | Nov 04 22:23 | |
| MinceR | that's a principle too :> | Nov 04 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | But it's hard to respect someone who wants to be called "His Majesty" | Nov 04 22:24 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 04 22:24 |
| scientes | El principal o la principal? | Nov 04 22:24 |
| MinceR | this applies to monarchs more | Nov 04 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | I mean in a pronoun context. | Nov 04 22:24 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that's a good one | Nov 04 22:24 |
| scientes | or "King" | Nov 04 22:25 |
| XRevan86 | In Futurama there's a neutral pronoun proposed, BTW %) | Nov 04 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | shkle / shkim (or shkler) | Nov 04 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | * shklim | Nov 04 22:27 |
| scientes | You mean shekel? | Nov 04 22:28 |
| MinceR | in The Culture, the Marain language is genderless | Nov 04 22:28 |
| XRevan86 | pronounced "shklee" | Nov 04 22:28 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but what is wrong about "it"? | Nov 04 22:28 |
| scientes | cause English actually has genderless pronouns and people refuse to use them | Nov 04 22:28 |
| scientes | it and the and that | Nov 04 22:28 |
| scientes | you could also do that in German | Nov 04 22:29 |
| scientes | just be a "das" | Nov 04 22:29 |
| MinceR | "der" would probably work better though | Nov 04 22:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: male | Nov 04 22:30 |
| scientes | except its masculine | Nov 04 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | * masculine | Nov 04 22:30 |
| MinceR | you can't tell accusative from nominative with "das" | Nov 04 22:30 |
| MinceR | and allegedly most objects are already masculine | Nov 04 22:30 |
| scientes | are you talking about that ambiguous den? | Nov 04 22:30 |
| MinceR | among other things, yes | Nov 04 22:30 |
| scientes | MinceR, that's why i was wondering if it was a crime to misgender inanimate objects | Nov 04 22:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 04 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It seems like English speakers think "it" is soulless or derogatory | Nov 04 22:31 |
| XRevan86 | so much so that obsessed people call *things* very really like "she" | Nov 04 22:31 |
| XRevan86 | like ships or guns | Nov 04 22:31 |
| scientes | well, that is because women are objects.... | Nov 04 22:31 |
| scientes | that they very much like | Nov 04 22:32 |
| scientes | ugggh, that compound is ugly | Nov 04 22:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's more of a "obsess over a woman", except with a bunch of iron | Nov 04 22:33 |
| scientes | so usually "they hold dearly" | Nov 04 22:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, I think that makes sense | Nov 04 22:34 |
| XRevan86 | women get reduced to objects, and glorified objects meet them in between | Nov 04 22:35 |
| scientes | woman being objects (but not *only* objects) is also a fact | Nov 04 22:36 |
| scientes | that is why they have breasts unlike all the other mammels | Nov 04 22:36 |
| MinceR | we're all objects, it's an object oriented reality | Nov 04 22:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I prefer the term "human asset" | Nov 04 22:37 |
| scientes | hehehe "human capital" | Nov 04 22:37 |
| scientes | ugggh, checked baggage is so damn expensive | Nov 04 22:38 |
| scientes | but also, so is buses in europe | Nov 04 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | "that is why they have breasts" – this brings me back to when I saw this video: https://youtu.be/xcrxNBlqrbM | Nov 04 22:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why do women have breasts? - YouTube | Nov 04 22:39 | |
| MinceR | "human resource", you mean | Nov 04 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't know why I thought "assert" is more demeaning | Nov 04 22:40 |
| XRevan86 | * asset | Nov 04 22:40 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 04 22:40 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that video is 30 minutes | Nov 04 22:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Short by his standards | Nov 04 22:41 |
| scientes | but yes, they are totally different from all other mammels, but this is rarely talked about because it is taboo | Nov 04 22:41 |
| XRevan86 | his latest video is 2 hours long | Nov 04 22:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You can have 30 minutes of a person talking about this topic :) | Nov 04 22:41 |
| scientes | this is why i avoid YouTube | Nov 04 22:41 |
| scientes | its a waste of time | Nov 04 22:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You know YouTube hates videos this long, right? | Nov 04 22:42 |
| scientes | those trying to make money always make them 10 minutes however | Nov 04 22:42 |
| scientes | because you get a third advertisement | Nov 04 22:42 |
| XRevan86 | Yes, ~10-12 minutes | Nov 04 22:43 |
| XRevan86 | But I meant in terms of how YouTube promotes videos to others, Trending and stuff. | Nov 04 22:44 |
| scientes | thats a trade secret | Nov 04 22:44 |
| scientes | and i generally watch conference speaches | Nov 04 22:44 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Ch3thZU.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/UTSg8P7 ) | Nov 04 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Panoramic painting on a sphere - Album on Imgur | Nov 04 22:45 | |
| scientes | is there anywhere *cheap* in UK to live? | Nov 04 22:46 |
| scientes | cause that and Russia is like the only exception to schengen | Nov 04 22:46 |
| scientes | in the area | Nov 04 22:46 |
| scientes | and Belarus's visa policy is all weird, cause its basically an extension of Russia | Nov 04 22:46 |
| MinceR | what do you need an exception to schengen for? | Nov 04 22:47 |
| scientes | well actually i can just go to poland | Nov 04 22:47 |
| scientes | but only as the END of the trip | Nov 04 22:47 |
| scientes | and that is an exemption that is not widely known | Nov 04 22:48 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 04 22:48 |
| scientes | and i would like it to be at the start of the trip | Nov 04 22:48 |
| scientes | but that doesn't work, because there are no borders | Nov 04 22:48 |
| scientes | so they can't tell | Nov 04 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But okay, enough with the video, you didn't explain your point of view | Nov 04 22:49 |
| scientes | basically poland already had an agreement, that still stands (it was even explicitely mentioned in the Schengen agreement), but it isn't really integrated with the other rules | Nov 04 22:49 |
| scientes | XRevan86, i think breasts are what make women objects | Nov 04 22:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What about permanent breasts makes women objects? | Nov 04 22:49 |
| scientes | the breasts themselves are objects of appeal, like any other desired object | Nov 04 22:50 |
| MinceR | so what happens if one of them gets both of them removed to deal with breast cancer? | Nov 04 22:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Because men care how they look? | Nov 04 22:50 |
| scientes | no | Nov 04 22:50 |
| scientes | they are like shiny metal | Nov 04 22:50 |
| scientes | both to men and women | Nov 04 22:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Men also care very much about the waist-hip ratio, faces, fitness, etc. | Nov 04 22:51 |
| scientes | becuase we all once breast-fed | Nov 04 22:51 |
| scientes | i'm not talking about sexual appeal | Nov 04 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | and some women actually put shiny metal on them | Nov 04 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | selves | Nov 04 22:51 |
| scientes | exactly | Nov 04 22:51 |
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| scientes | breasts are natural jewelery | Nov 04 22:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You know that a big portion of any phenotype is not practical? | Nov 04 22:53 |
| scientes | this is a social cohesion thing | Nov 04 22:53 |
| scientes | if a community has no women it is extinct | Nov 04 22:53 |
| scientes | women are the communities most valuable possessions | Nov 04 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But yes, this is in a vicinity of what Lindybeige is talking about | Nov 04 22:54 |
| scientes | and you see it in the way both Napoleon and Putin talk | Nov 04 22:55 |
| XRevan86 | now here the word asset genuinely works | Nov 04 22:55 |
| scientes | Napoleon is reputed to have told a very rich women who asked him "what do you like most in a women", "the one that has the most children" | Nov 04 22:56 |
| scientes | and Putin talks identically | Nov 04 22:56 |
| MinceR | if a community has no men it is extinct | Nov 04 22:56 |
| scientes | MinceR, not so | Nov 04 22:56 |
| MinceR | if a community has no water it is extinct | Nov 04 22:56 |
| MinceR | if a community has no oxygen it is extinct | Nov 04 22:56 |
| scientes | it can also use men outside the community | Nov 04 22:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's not correct to assume that every community Owns its people | Nov 04 22:56 |
| MinceR | scientes: but not women? | Nov 04 22:56 |
| scientes | MinceR, it would have to steal them | Nov 04 22:57 |
| MinceR | so? | Nov 04 22:57 |
| MinceR | also, being able to steal them implies they're property | Nov 04 22:57 |
| scientes | yes it does | Nov 04 22:57 |
| scientes | that is what we are talking about | Nov 04 22:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, the problem is that men are one-shots | Nov 04 22:57 |
| MinceR | circular reasoning? | Nov 04 22:57 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: not me | Nov 04 22:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Imagine a primitive community | Nov 04 22:58 |
| XRevan86 | sovereign | Nov 04 22:58 |
| XRevan86 | if it's only men, it's doomed, because if a women gets pregnant even by them, she's not going to contribute a new human to this community, but instead to that one where she lives | Nov 04 22:59 |
| MinceR | would be nice if people weren't owned by other people | Nov 04 22:59 |
| MinceR | then this whole issue wouldn't exist | Nov 04 22:59 |
| scientes | MinceR, you are totally missing the point | Nov 04 23:00 |
| scientes | the point is that this tension between owning and not owning people is what creates society in the first palce | Nov 04 23:00 |
| XRevan86 | From an evolutionary standpoint it matters, because that used to be the case. | Nov 04 23:00 |
| scientes | not really | Nov 04 23:01 |
| XRevan86 | (in some places it still is) | Nov 04 23:01 |
| scientes | from an evolutionary standpoint cooperation is far better than competition | Nov 04 23:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's not really about ownership per-se, hence why I corrected scientes' use of words. | Nov 04 23:01 |
| MinceR | well, society is seriously fucked up | Nov 04 23:01 |
| scientes | yeah, "human asset" is a little more descriptive | Nov 04 23:02 |
| scientes | MinceR, you wouldn't know English without it | Nov 04 23:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: There are different ways to look at it. Either that it is unfair to women or that it is unfair to men. Life sucked for all really. | Nov 04 23:04 |
| scientes | are there ferries from stockholm<->helsinki stockholm<->st petersberg, and what do they cost? | Nov 04 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | Either you're more restrained because you're a treasure, or you're cannon fodder, because you're expendable. | Nov 04 23:05 |
| scientes | i assume the helsinki<->st petersberg buses are cheat | Nov 04 23:05 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah that sums it up | Nov 04 23:05 |
| MinceR | i'd rather exist as a member of a civilized nonhuman species than know English :> | Nov 04 23:06 |
| MinceR | it's a cost i'm willing to pay | Nov 04 23:06 |
| scientes | 10 million Russian men in WW2 | Nov 04 23:06 |
| scientes | *Soviet men | Nov 04 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | > problems of primitive communities | Nov 04 23:07 |
| XRevan86 | > Soviet men | Nov 04 23:07 |
| scientes | > or you're cannon fodder, because you're expendable. | Nov 04 23:07 |
| XRevan86 | like Soviet women weren't %) | Nov 04 23:07 |
| scientes | yes, both USSR and USA "feminism" does that to women | Nov 04 23:07 |
| XRevan86 | https://army-news.ru/images_stati/zhenschiny_geroi_vojny_2.jpg | Nov 04 23:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You know of monogamy, right? | Nov 04 23:08 |
| XRevan86 | enforced monogamy equalises sexes tremendously | Nov 04 23:09 |
| scientes | what about in the Ottoman empire? | Nov 04 23:09 |
| MinceR | equalized in oppression | Nov 04 23:09 |
| MinceR | one could go further, though | Nov 04 23:09 |
| MinceR | equalized in death | Nov 04 23:09 |
| XRevan86 | now both components of a conception are important | Nov 04 23:10 |
| MinceR | like the Axlotl tanks | Nov 04 23:10 |
| scientes | hehehe, "all men die equal, and are buried with certain inalienable rights" | Nov 04 23:10 |
| scientes | at least that one is true | Nov 04 23:10 |
| MinceR | what rights are those? | Nov 04 23:10 |
| MinceR | to not rise from the dead? | Nov 04 23:10 |
| scientes | MinceR, the right to remain silent | Nov 04 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | the right to be forgotten | Nov 04 23:11 |
| XRevan86 | Have you noticed that somehow this is so much darker? | Nov 04 23:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 04 23:11 |
| scientes | "There are two big ferry companies running services on the Stockholm–Helsinki route: Viking Line and Tallink Silja Line. Both make a stop at Åland (a Swedish-speaking part of Finland) along the way. It’s a nice enough place but the main reason for stopping there is that Åland – an autonomous region of Finland – is not subject to the same EU tax rules as Sweden and Finland. This clever loophole means boats can sell tax-f | Nov 04 23:13 |
| scientes | ree goods (including booze) on both legs of the journey." | Nov 04 23:13 |
| scientes | hehe | Nov 04 23:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 04 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't want to go into details of how all that works out. | Nov 04 23:14 |
| MinceR | it doesn't | Nov 04 23:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But I should point out that harems lead by a woman don't break this %) | Nov 04 23:15 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, but what about polygamy in Muslim countries? | Nov 04 23:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know much about it, but I strongly suspect that it works only for wealthy men. | Nov 04 23:16 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Il5KQu6.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/C2Dsv7M ) | Nov 04 23:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Would you like half a glass of water? - Album on Imgur | Nov 04 23:17 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So with lower men you still get expendable material, even if on paper they get more rights than them women | Nov 04 23:19 |
| scientes | yeah, I pretty much agree, I guess I was just trolling ;) | Nov 04 23:20 |
| XRevan86 | I phrased it slightly wrong: they *do* have more rights, but that doesn't translate into success. | Nov 04 23:22 |
| XRevan86 | Where success is biological, so genetic propagation of one or one's relatives. | Nov 04 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | And not only is that approach more cruel, it doesn't have real benefits in societies large enough. | Nov 04 23:28 |
| scientes | polygamy is cruel? | Nov 04 23:29 |
| XRevan86 | It doesn't make sense to try to protect precious human resources from wasting it on underdogs | Nov 04 23:29 |
| scientes | oh damn, cruise for 1 person is same price and cruise for 2 people | Nov 04 23:30 |
| scientes | from stockholm to helsinki | Nov 04 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: There's only one kind of people who are clear winners | Nov 04 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | alpha males | Nov 04 23:30 |
| scientes | and same price as 4 people! | Nov 04 23:31 |
| scientes | damn you gotta find people to book with you to get a good price | Nov 04 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | (yes, biologically alpha males in humans are a myth, still socially I think it's applicable) | Nov 04 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Someone is guaranteed to get screwed with no good reason. | Nov 04 23:33 |
| scientes | but why are people guaranteed fairness? | Nov 04 23:33 |
| scientes | that what leads to overly-generous government handouts | Nov 04 23:34 |
| scientes | and the victim class | Nov 04 23:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You could have noticed the word "more" | Nov 04 23:34 |
| XRevan86 | Perfection is unachievable | Nov 04 23:34 |
| XRevan86 | but brushing it off like useless is not my cup of tea | Nov 04 23:35 |
| scientes | Europe always had this political war between the monarchs and the church | Nov 04 23:35 |
| scientes | Russia never had that | Nov 04 23:35 |
| XRevan86 | Not for very long anyway | Nov 04 23:35 |
| XRevan86 | The Church is a powerful political instrument | Nov 04 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | Peter I dealt with it | Nov 04 23:38 |
| XRevan86 | In other words, benefits of polygamy don't scale up | Nov 04 23:41 |
| XRevan86 | But the injustice does | Nov 04 23:41 |
| scientes | it definitely caused problems in Utah before it was abolished | Nov 04 23:41 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/TgpKvkC.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/IFycRKq ) | Nov 04 23:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tales from the lööp - Album on Imgur | Nov 04 23:44 | |
| XRevan86 | And modern alpha males don't even have to achieve anything, so it's kind of the opposite of benefits | Nov 04 23:45 |
| scientes | > And modern alpha males don't even have to achieve anything | Nov 04 23:45 |
| scientes | hahahahaha | Nov 04 23:45 |
| scientes | the alpha couch potato | Nov 04 23:45 |
| MinceR | pack animals | Nov 04 23:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I had an image of Trump in mind :) | Nov 04 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | Except in all white and with a harem | Nov 04 23:48 |
| MinceR | not orange? | Nov 04 23:48 |
| XRevan86 | and a lot of cats there for the grabbing | Nov 04 23:48 |
| MinceR | sounds like animal abuse | Nov 04 23:58 |
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