IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, December 04, 2020

schestowitz

see epo news blackout

schestowitz

only us covering epo corruptipn

schestowitz

why?

psydroid

you know I live barely half an hour away from the epo location and I pass it once in a while when using public transport

Dec 04 00:13

psydroid

but of course you wouldn't hear anything about what is going on there

Dec 04 00:13

DaemonFC[m]

You can't say blackout.

DaemonFC[m]

Also, you can't say white out, either in reference to the correction fluid or the weather condition.

DaemonFC[m]

It makes mjg59a saaaaad panda.

schestowitz

whiteout

schestowitz

i saw everything white

schestowitz

and passed out

DaemonFC[m]

I wonder how he feels about redskin potatoes.

DaemonFC[m]

What we need to call those.

psydroid

This is the only critical article I can find and its from 5 years ago

DaemonFC[m]

If we had to stop using the term "tea plantation", that's not far off.

MinceR

denyout, allowout

MinceR

Deny Lives Matter

schestowitz

that's totally not confusing

schestowitz

let me check my thesaurus

https://www.volkskrant.nl/economie/baas-van-europese-octrooiorganisatie-voert-schrikbewind~bc900104/

psydroid

schestowitz

by IBM, VMware etc.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myprivacy.dpgmedia.nl | DPG Media Privacy Gate

psydroid

I saw a tube of fluoride toothpaste and I totally abused it

schestowitz

what a bunch of a-holes we are

schestowitz

those companies try to do something good

schestowitz

while doing lots of evil

schestowitz

and we ridicule them

schestowitz

they're totally not trolling us

schestowitz

and introducing bugs in our code

schestowitz

oh crap

schestowitz

that's offensive to bugs

schestowitz

defects I meant

schestowitz

like "slave" "defects" in the code

schestowitz

not "slave bugs"

schestowitz

the defect is the variable name

schestowitz

that external programs rely on to remain as is

MinceR

don't you mean "improvement opportunities"?

schestowitz

even programs made by people who are now literally dead

schestowitz

and programming manuals

schestowitz

MinceR: yeah

schestowitz

Intel has many improvements to make

schestowitz

like, it would be an improvement when processors don't turn into bricks

schestowitz

"Thank you, Sage Shape"

schestowitz

*Shrap

MinceR

or when computers do what their owners want them to do

schestowitz

*Sharp

schestowitz

"Many improvement opportunities in your USB drivers"

schestowitz

Like... changing the name in the header

schestowitz

because it keeps changing

ICYMI: https://sfconservancy.org/news/2020/dec/02/sharp-newest-employee/

schestowitz

Dec 04 00:25

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | Sage Sharp joins Conservancy as Senior Director of Diversity & Inclusion focusing on Outreachy - Software Freedom Conservancy

schestowitz

SFC is not tech activism anymore http://techrights.org/2020/11/29/outreachy-explained-by-minority-female/

MinceR

RIP, software freedom conservancy

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Sincere Thoughts About Outreachy | Techrights

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/there-isnt-a-coronavirus-second-wave-11592327890

psydroid

I've been thinking that writing clean-room AGPLv3 reimplementations of GNU/Linux (targetting only modern hardware) could be a way out of this mess, so no one has to be held accountable nor forced to chase whatever Red Hat, Canonical, GIAFAM and frenemies are doing

Dec 04 00:27

search_social

0BSD all the way baby

Dec 04 00:36

MinceR

Dec 04 00:36

search_social

idk how many you want

Dec 04 00:36

MinceR

well, i'd like at least 1

Dec 04 00:39

schestowitz

Can you spot typos here? http://techrights.org/2020/12/03/lf-fakes-it/

Dec 04 00:45

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Trolls Its Critics by Forging Metadata in Its Annual Report | Techrights

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Dec 04 01:00

MinceR

i can't spot any typos, but i'm not sure if "O/S" is correct and perhaps "shows this to be a clear case of metadata tampering" could be clearer

Dec 04 01:01

DaemonFC[m]

+215,715

Dec 04 01:03

DaemonFC[m]

Dec 04 01:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-There Isn’t a Coronavirus ‘Second Wave’ - WSJ

Dec 04 01:06

DaemonFC[m]

But that was all of before the election ago, so you know....

Dec 04 01:06

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Dec 04 01:12

DaemonFC[m]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/alyssa-farah-resignation-white-house/index.html

Dec 04 01:21

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alyssa Farah resigns as White House communications director - CNNPolitics

Dec 04 01:21

DaemonFC[m]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/ndaa-trump-germany-troop-cuts/index.html

Dec 04 01:31

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Congress moves to block Trump's Germany troop cuts in defense bill - CNNPolitics

Dec 04 01:31

DaemonFC[m]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55173605

Dec 04 01:47

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Namibia: Man named after Adolf Hitler wins local election - BBC News

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Dec 04 02:25

KREYREN

What's this channel about~

Dec 04 02:25

gry

digital freedoms over the globe

Dec 04 02:44

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Dec 04 03:11

XRevan86

https://dumskaya.net/news/odessa-lenin-vader-051649 2015, how did I miss that

Dec 04 03:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dumskaya.net | ??????? ???: ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? | ???? ???

Dec 04 03:16

KREYREN

gry, does that include hardware~

Dec 04 03:40

*KREYREN figured out the hard way that fsf's RYF sucks~

Dec 04 03:40

gry

from the sound of it, yes, it does

Dec 04 03:41

MinceR

it does, increasingly

Dec 04 03:44

KREYREN

o.o

Dec 04 03:44

MinceR

https://i.imgur.com/4ubkhWo.jpg

Dec 04 03:54

MinceR

(cat) https://i.imgur.com/4ubkhWo.jpg

Dec 04 03:55

XRevan86

MinceR: Oh boy, if it can reproduce then lions and tigers are not actually separate species %).

Dec 04 03:57

MinceR

it gets more complicated than that

Dec 04 04:00

MinceR

whether the offspring can reproduce also matters

Dec 04 04:00

MinceR

and there are even continua

Dec 04 04:01

MinceR

where neighboring variants can interbreed but the ones from the two edges can't

Dec 04 04:01

XRevan86

MinceR: That's what I mean.

Dec 04 04:01

oiaohm

DaemonFC[m]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102816/coronavirus-covid19-cases-number-us-americans-by-day/ I was thinking that covid-19 one way off on numbers then I noticed it june.

Dec 04 05:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-• U.S. COVID-19 new cases by day | Statista

Dec 04 05:23

DaemonFC[m]

Ligers are sterile, iirc.

Dec 04 05:26

DaemonFC[m]

Oh, it's just the males that are sterile, according to Wikipedia.

Dec 04 05:29

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Dec 04 07:04

schestowitz

[01:01] <MinceR> i can't spot any typos, but i'm not sure if "O/S" is correct and perhaps "shows this to be a clear case of metadata tampering" could be clearer

schestowitz

Yeah, I wondered the same

schestowitz

I updated the post with a linl

schestowitz

turns out they also show a Mac at the front page!

schestowitz

Daniel Lange looked deeper into it

schestowitz

[05:29] <DaemonFC[m]> Oh, it's just the males that are sterile, according to Wikipedia.

schestowitz

We have one in Manchester Museum

schestowitz

forgot his/her name

schestowitz

In Chester Zoo they mixes Asian and African elephants

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/27/microsoft-msft-earnings-q1-2021.html

schestowitz

died an infant, 10 days

Dec 04 07:15

schestowitz

humans experiment on things... nice 'species'

Dec 04 07:15

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Dec 04 09:20

schestowitz

Ariadne: do you know href by his real name?

Dec 04 09:20

schestowitz

or, might you have a contact email for him?

Dec 04 09:20

schestowitz

I wish to still think the sites (.fr and pleroma.site) can come back

Dec 04 09:21

psydroid

Dec 04 09:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Microsoft (MSFT) earnings Q1 2021

Dec 04 09:50

psydroid

is this purely financial engineering?

Dec 04 09:50

schestowitz

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Financials

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft - Financials - Techrights

schestowitz

they have been doing it for decades

schestowitz

while bribing whisleblowers

psydroid

and what about Bill Gates still pulling the strings after "retiring" from the board?

schestowitz

lol

schestowitz

it's his 'baby'

schestowitz

he can control it by proxy

psydroid

it looks like their shills have invented a whole narrative to make MS look good

http://techrights.org/2020/12/03/geany/#comments

psydroid

they probably invest more in that than in their actual products

Dec 04 09:58

schestowitz

yeah

Dec 04 10:04

schestowitz

it's a waste of time

Dec 04 10:04

schestowitz

Dec 04 10:14

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nobody Needs to Write a Text Editor (or Use Geany) | Techrights

schestowitz

Oh, for the love of...

schestowitz

Not Geany man! It's a fantastic editor! It worked marvelously on my pentium 3 about 14 years ago, and it's still my editor of choice over anything else that came after. I use it for everything!

schestowitz

And why the hell does that guy on the picture have so many Beowulf stuff!? Am I missing a meme here?

schestowitz

Whatever, this "it touches github" thing is getting out of hand fast.

schestowitz

And about the issue of not doing your own, the very "NIH syndrome" is part of that. Is a mix of stuff, context related. I don't believe it means "screw your liberty", but it's about that thing of reinventing the wheel.

schestowitz

I like to reinvent the wheel, thank you. What I don't like is HAVING SOME DUDE ON INTERNET TELLING ME NOT TO USE GEANY. SERIOUSLY DUDE... IT'S F$%&·$ING GEANY.

schestowitz

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/law-enforcement-purchasing-commercially-available-geolocation-data

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Law Enforcement Purchasing Commercially-Available Geolocation Data is Unconstitutional | Electronic Frontier Foundation

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/governor-cuomo-keep-police-and-ice-away-our-contact-tracing-data

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Governor Cuomo: Keep Police and ICE Away from Our Contact Tracing Data | Electronic Frontier Foundation

psydroid

this shill also says he's a Mac-fanboy, which could mean 2 things: 1) he's lying in a desperate attempt to get some credibility 2) Apple is in bed with Microsoft (obviously), so Mac users and developers would rather side with proprietary software giants their platform doesn't actually have much in common with in a technical sense, but does in a business sense

Dec 04 10:41

schestowitz

I'd not waste time on it

Dec 04 10:43

schestowitz

we have better ways to approach advocacy

Dec 04 10:43

schestowitz

and feeding these idiots is bad use of time

Dec 04 10:43

schestowitz

hence, I'd rather talk about skulduggery inside our community

psydroid

yes, I know

e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/12/04/sfc-not-about-freedom/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Not About Freedom | Techrights

schestowitz

this is what we need ro focus on

schestowitz

and Apple fanboy Zemlin

psydroid

I'm just trying to understand what we're up against

http://techrights.org/2020/12/03/lf-fakes-it/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Trolls Its Critics by Forging Metadata in Its Annual Report (Updated) | Techrights

schestowitz

because they actively invade our space, too

schestowitz

don't get me wong...

schestowitz

*wrong

psydroid

because the actual issues are getting muddled because of this obfuscation on the surface

schestowitz

I used to do the same as above, responding to Microsoft lies

schestowitz

but the downside it, that gives them more visibility

schestowitz

so I stopped about a decade ago

schestowitz

we watched Microsoft closely until around 2010 or 2011

schestowitz

also gates

schestowitz

mentioning him can help him

psydroid

and what worries me more is that they learn from our refutations and invent an even better false narrative

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/gates-covid-data-ihme/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Are Bill Gates’s Billions Distorting Public Health Data? | The Nation

psydroid

so maybe it's better to keep them in the dark while executing our strategy

schestowitz

they waste out energy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Gish gallop - Wikipedia

schestowitz

*our energy

schestowitz

I could use help, as I said

schestowitz

esp. working on PDFs we release

schestowitz

like converting them to HTML

schestowitz

so we can tackle UPC, swpats etc.

schestowitz

there's no lack of "projects"

schestowitz

or reporting assignments

schestowitz

but we have here people who waste time on reddit

schestowitz

and other crap

schestowitz

as if that's the way to progress things

schestowitz

feeding the same sites which hold us back and censor su

schestowitz

*us

http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights

schestowitz

They're literally working for Microsoft

schestowitz

so participating in them gives them value

https://ircz.de/p/20081246

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Dec 04 10:58

schestowitz

(btw:)

Dec 04 11:04

schestowitz

(if anyone reading this want to help with EPO leaks/document releases, tell us here or email/other)

Dec 04 11:05

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smnthermes

> ‎[07:15:01] ‎TechrightsBot-tr‎: [notice] techrights.org | Nobody Needs to Write a Text Editor (or Use Geany) | Techrights

Dec 04 13:25

smnthermes

What's the problem with Guix?

Dec 04 13:25

smnthermes

Aside from using GitHub

Dec 04 13:26

smnthermes

Or Harfbuzz

Dec 04 13:29

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Dec 04 13:31

smnthermes

problem with Harfbuzz*

Dec 04 13:32

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Dec 04 14:07

vZS1

psydroid: current go-ipfs implementation will run on a device with 1GB RAM just fine.

Dec 04 14:13

vZS1

go-ipfs usually sits around 600MB RAM when doing its node things.

Dec 04 14:15

vZS1

If you are strapped for RAM, use swap space.

Dec 04 14:15

vZS1

A cheap USB stick will do for some plug-in swap.

Dec 04 14:15

vZS1

I've compiled things that need over 2GB RAM on the Pi 3b+ which only has 1GB RAM. I just allocated swap from the memory card.

Dec 04 14:18

oiaohm

vZS1: swap on memory cards don't generally work out long term healthy.

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MinceR

Dec 04 14:45

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4820464)

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Dec 04 15:15

smnthermes

Speaking of GTK, there's a fork of GTK 2: https://github.com/thesquash/stlwrt

Dec 04 15:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - thesquash/stlwrt: A library which emulates many versions of GTK and visually resembles GTK+ 2

Dec 04 15:42

MinceR

nice

Dec 04 15:48

MinceR

too bad it's on microsoft shithub

Dec 04 15:48

superkuh

It's really the only option.

Dec 04 15:52

superkuh

Gitlab doesn't even show text unless you execute their javascript.

Dec 04 15:52

MinceR

i'll take javascript over microshit control any day

Dec 04 15:53

MinceR

especially considering that it still works with git

Dec 04 15:53

MinceR

also, there's gogs and gitea

Dec 04 15:53

superkuh

If you just want git then there's innumberable options. The point of github/gitlab is the social networking.

Dec 04 16:08

MinceR

i thought the point was the gratis public hosting

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Dec 04 16:32

vZS1

> It's really the only option.

Dec 04 16:34

vZS1

And the ignore list grows!

Dec 04 16:35

vZS1

They make it so easy :D

Dec 04 16:35

schestowitz

vZS1: hoho, hihi, wb, vZS1

Dec 04 16:37

MinceR

Dec 04 16:39

schestowitz

vi comment close bracket

Dec 04 16:40

MinceR

Dec 04 16:40

schestowitz

vZS1: I could now answer this:

Dec 04 16:41

schestowitz

15:43] <AVRS> I redirects ipfs.io links to your local IPFS server.

Dec 04 16:41

schestowitz

[15:43] <AVRS> And probably other links.

Dec 04 16:41

schestowitz

[15:43] <AVRS> But it also uses ipfs.io if it disconnects from the server; I haven't found a setting to disable that.

schestowitz

[15:44] <AVRS> (maybe I confused something there)

schestowitz

[15:45] <schestowitz> so you want those to be hard links to that domain?

schestowitz

[15:45] <schestowitz> what if that domains goes down a decade later or less?

schestowitz

[15:45] <AVRS> ipns://$cid_or_fqdn

schestowitz

[15:45] <AVRS> ipfs://$cid

schestowitz

[15:45] <AVRS> dweb:/ipfs/$cid

schestowitz

[15:46] <AVRS> dweb:/ipns/$cid_or_fqdn

schestowitz

[15:46] <AVRS> from https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion: Browser extension that simplifies access to IPFS resources on the web

schestowitz

[15:46] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- GitHub - ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion: Browser extension that simplifies access to IPFS resources on the web

schestowitz

[15:47] <AVRS> Ah, there is a setting "Redirect failed HTTP requests for IPFS resources to the public gateway."

schestowitz

[15:39] <AVRS> Hi schestowitz. If I understand correctly, the browser extension IPFS Companion redirects some IPFS links to the local IPFS server. So it would be good if you format the CIDs as links.

schestowitz

[15:40] <AVRS> It says "Support content-addressed IPFS paths (/ipfs/) and URIs (ipfs://) in your browser, and redirect them to the gateway of your choice"

schestowitz

[15:40] <AVRS> It redirects https://ipfs.io/ipfs/<CID>

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://ipfs.io/ipfs/<CID )

schestowitz

*could NOT

schestowitz

I hope they play to leave github too at some stafe

schestowitz

*Stage

schestowitz

it's antithetical to ipfs

schestowitz

github is spying and centralisation

vZS1

The public gateways do all sorts of weird things

Dec 04 16:43

vZS1

But it's just a simple HTTP interface for the underlying IPFS objects

Dec 04 16:43

vZS1

Nothing more to it than that

Dec 04 16:44

vZS1

> schestowitz: vZS1: hoho, hihi, wb, vZS1

Dec 04 16:45

vZS1

Ty!

Dec 04 16:45

vZS1

I just wanted to check up and let you know I'm still alive

Dec 04 16:45

vZS1

Don't rely on the HTTP gateways too much

Dec 04 16:46

vZS1

I saw your recommendation in the logs. Basically the same from me. Get a real IPFS client :D

Dec 04 16:47

schestowitz

yes, good to see you too check logs

Dec 04 16:48

schestowitz

you can also search them

Dec 04 16:48

schestowitz

last week we linked the html to text versions

Dec 04 16:48

vZS1

I'm still lurking around, dw.

Dec 04 16:51

schestowitz

pleroma.site died

Dec 04 16:54

schestowitz

for 5 days now

Dec 04 16:54

schestowitz

I hope it'll come back

Dec 04 16:55

schestowitz

viera relies on it and it's my only presence in fediverse

Dec 04 16:55

schestowitz

Richard Stallman was right about all those sites

schestowitz

nothing like self-hosting short new picks too

schestowitz

identi.ca was my first

schestowitz

tmanco dragged me there

vZS1

Federated networks are really a bunch of BS

schestowitz

and now it's virtually gone with pump.io

schestowitz

and all the links are broken

schestowitz

with their "link shortener" offline

vZS1

Look at your Pi node. You never lose control of it

schestowitz

For now I started self-hosting

vZS1

Costs you a staggering <£100!

schestowitz

at least copies of all the posts

vZS1

How are we ever going to afford this!

vZS1

Call AWS

vZS1

We need the emergency clown

schestowitz

lokl

schestowitz

lol

schestowitz

the jester will entertain the needs

schestowitz

at $4 a month

Dec 04 17:00

schestowitz

for 10 years

Dec 04 17:00

schestowitz

oh, wait, you could buy two laptops for that price

Dec 04 17:00

vZS1

More if you buy second hand

Dec 04 17:03

schestowitz

I do

Dec 04 17:04

schestowitz

very good value

Dec 04 17:04

schestowitz

just need to check the basics at the store

Dec 04 17:04

schestowitz

integrity, condition, age

vZS1

Yep

schestowitz

a bit risky, but they have warranty

schestowitz

2 weeks, 6 months

schestowitz

for different types of issues

schestowitz

so far we were always happy

vZS1

The average Joe Bloggs won't sell a shitty laptop either

Dec 04 17:07

vZS1

Because it affects their rep

Dec 04 17:07

schestowitz

this helps reduce waste

Dec 04 17:09

schestowitz

if those have windows, you don't pay for it and have the satisfaction of wiping it right away

Dec 04 17:09

schestowitz

machine rescued

schestowitz

after windows likely churned away at the drive for years

schestowitz

hard to find No-OS refurbs

schestowitz

No Windows tax at least

schestowitz

I think it's some shop bulk licence that's dirt-cheap

Dec 04 17:11

psydroid

vZS1, my Orange Pi Win Plus has 2 GB, so that should definitely not be a problem

Dec 04 17:15

psydroid

I bought 2 of them back in 2017 and gave one to a friend so we could both get more experienced with this rather low-end hardware

Dec 04 17:15

psydroid

So definitely in the future when I will order a few of the same but much more powerful type (with Rockchip K3566/RK3588, Allwinner A200 etc.), I will use one as an IPFS node while experimenting with the other ones

Dec 04 17:15

schestowitz

do you pin our site?

vZS1

schestowitz: that's what I did with the second hand laptop I got for my dad

vZS1

KDE Plasma on it

vZS1

He loves KDE Plasma

schestowitz

it's solid since I've adopted the latest

schestowitz

I left KDE for a few years

schestowitz

moved to openbox

schestowitz

mainly due to low Ram

schestowitz

Ariadne says she struggles with kwin

Dec 04 17:20

vZS1

I don't notice much RAM usage. The laptop has 4GB and it runs KDE Plasma without breaking a sweat.

Dec 04 17:20

MinceR

(cat) https://ircz.de/p/2007201

Dec 04 17:20

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Dec 04 17:21

schestowitz

vZS1: that laptop has 2gb

Dec 04 17:21

schestowitz

and running loads of things

Dec 04 17:21

vZS1

psydroid: I highly recommend using a SoC for a sever. I've stepped on most of the landmines myself so feel free to ask any questions.

Dec 04 17:23

vZS1

Filesystem corruption is the first one you're likely to come across. They don't play nice on shutdown a lot. Just mount root fs as read-only. That's usually tip #1

Dec 04 17:25

psydroid

VZS1, I agree with you and to be honest I am not really looking at x86 hardware for such purposes at the moment. In case I really need more compute I could always get something like a Honeycomb LX2K with the added advantage of having almost fully open firmware and software stacks

Dec 04 17:25

DaemonFC[m]

I wasn't going to go with less than 16 GB.

Dec 04 17:25

DaemonFC[m]

Some of these distributions are talking about no swapfile at all if you have 16 GB of RAM.

MinceR

DaemonFC[m]

Or do one on a compressed ramdisk.

DaemonFC[m]

zstandard is lightweight enough to handle that.

vZS1

No swap no bueno

Dec 04 17:27

DaemonFC[m]

The easiest way to think about zstandard is like DEFLATE on steroids as far as it being several times faster.

Dec 04 17:27

vZS1

Yeah no. I'm not surrendering my swap space in this lifetime

Dec 04 17:28

Ariadne

my struggles have to do with kwin being buggy, not ram use

Dec 04 17:29

DaemonFC[m]

kwin isn't especially buggy.

Dec 04 17:29

DaemonFC[m]

It's certainly not a disaster on the scale of Mutter, but that's not saying much.

Dec 04 17:29

vZS1

16GB is also not an affordable amount of RAM today

DaemonFC[m]

Certainly few that work on GNOME actually believe in it or use it themselves.

vZS1

So that's another hard pass

DaemonFC[m]

It's just a job, which explains why they don't care much for profiling it and working out all of the P1 bugs, much less all of the papercuts.

DaemonFC[m]

So before Canonical became interested in it, it was much much worse.

MinceR

the last time i used kwin, it _was_ extremely buggy

DaemonFC[m]

Because all of those Red Hat people clocked in and clocked out and did the bare minimum and then went back to Mac OS for their personal use.

MinceR

things like garbage on the window decorations if compositing was turned off

MinceR

and the root window was just black if compositing was turned on and plasma wasn't running

vZS1

People trying to use hardware without swap space. Tells me exactly how good they are at system design.

DaemonFC[m]

The only thing Red Hat really contributes to the bug hunt, it seems, is getting out of the way and accepting patches if someone else writes one.

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MinceR

that's better than what they did to GNU/Linux

DaemonFC[m]

Also better than Wayland.

DaemonFC[m]

Canonical doesn't seem interested in fixing up Wayland.

DaemonFC[m]

They must figure on running X11 until the wheels fall off, as it were.

MinceR

pretending it's perfect the way it is is the "modern" way

MinceR

so don't expect waylandows to be fixed, ever

vZS1

Wayland

vZS1

Another pile of trash (:

vZS1

More bugs than a Timone and Pumba scene

Dec 04 17:34

DaemonFC[m]

Oftentimes, something inelegant gets the job done well enough that you don't bother investing more resources.

Dec 04 17:34

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: Like shoes. I used to say oh I'll never wear shoes from Walmart and just cough up $60-70 a pair, then I realized I was paying 3 time as much and they weren't holding up a lot better.

Dec 04 17:34

MinceR

if removing functionality makes something inelegant then my solution of writing the opcodes for "cli; hlt" into the boot record beats waylandows easily

Dec 04 17:35

DaemonFC[m]

It's an 80/20 problem.

Dec 04 17:35

DaemonFC[m]

Well, part of the reason I migrated to KDE is that GNOME and especially Mutter are disasters in their own right.

Dec 04 17:35

DaemonFC[m]

And they work a little better on X11, but Red Hat "strongly discourages" that and it will not be too long before Canonical joins them in just dropping it entirely regardless of whether Wayland is working for those cases where it hasn't to date.

Dec 04 17:36

DaemonFC[m]

Consider that Google has never supported Wayland on Android or Chrome OS.

Dec 04 17:37

DaemonFC[m]

They pressed right ahead with Ozone on Chrome OS.

Dec 04 17:37

MinceR

what a coincidence, the reason i migrated to fvwm was that kde, gnome and xfce were disasters :>

Dec 04 17:37

DaemonFC[m]

Well, with most of the minor desktops rushing to support Wayland, even if it's just by proxy, tells us something.

DaemonFC[m]

Nobody thinks X has a future, and certainly not anybody with the ability to keep maintaining it.

DaemonFC[m]

I think we're at the point where it will get security patches because they need it in XWayland and not much else.

vZS1

X has a very bright future

vZS1

Everyone that doesn't fall for marketing gimmicks will keep using it

DaemonFC[m]

It puts "maximum pressure" on people to give up and do what Red Hat wants.

MinceR

all it lacks are developers

MinceR

its current developers don't understand its concept

MinceR

hence, wayland

vZS1

A lot of people run patched X11

vZS1

They just don't go and write shitty Medium articles about it to look like an "open source dev" :D

oiaohm

DaemonFC[m]: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform2/+/HEAD/vm_tools/sommelier/README.md Chrome OS not having Wayland is not exactly true.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chromium.googlesource.com | Chromium OS Platform - Sommelier - Nested Wayland compositor with support for X11 forwarding

vZS1

All the base code is there

vZS1

There's a lot of documentation

https://ircz.de/p/20081210

vZS1

The design is clearly laid out

Dec 04 17:42

MinceR

Dec 04 17:44

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Dec 04 17:44

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: Someone who worked at the health department asked me why I said I'd never cooperate with them on contact tracing.

Dec 04 17:46

DaemonFC[m]

I said, "Well, with all the lists of information that people have given to governments over the years that later regimes found useful, no thanks. The Nazis found the Census records of other countries very interesting when they came pouring over the border. The US government has spent decades now developing 'special lists' for people and it's not even clear how they ended up on those lists. Maybe if they wanted us to

Dec 04 17:47

DaemonFC[m]

trust them, they wouldn't have done that.".

Dec 04 17:47

DaemonFC[m]

"Saying oh we do nasty stuff with all the information we get, and by the way here's another list that requires your cooperation is maybe why your program isn't going so well."

Dec 04 17:48

DaemonFC[m]

The US has been losing more jobs than are being created every week since the end of March.

Dec 04 17:56

DaemonFC[m]

CNN fails to hold the current regime accountable for that.

Dec 04 17:56

DaemonFC[m]

They need to show that this was an ongoing and huge mess well before Biden won the election, much less was inaugurated, but they can't because if you scare people too much, they clamp up and quite buying things even if they can right now.

Dec 04 17:56

MinceR

https://ircz.de/p/20081145

Dec 04 18:07

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Dec 04 18:07

vZS1

All these German sites

Dec 04 18:11

vZS1

MinceR: seen some pr0gramm before

Dec 04 18:11

vZS1

Funny memes

Dec 04 18:11

schestowitz

[17:34] <vZS1> More bugs than a Timone and Pumba scene

Dec 04 18:14

schestowitz

LOL

Dec 04 18:14

schestowitz

[17:41] <vZS1> They just don't go and write shitty Medium articles about it to look like an "open source dev" :D

Dec 04 18:15

schestowitz

If those are scare quotes, they belong around "article"

Dec 04 18:15

schestowitz

so-called dev who outsource their text to such malicious companies, for a 'blog' that still looks crap

Dec 04 18:16

schestowitz

and won't outlive in uptime its relevance... because we all know those companies shut everything down if/when there's "no money in it"

Dec 04 18:16

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Dec 04 18:22

vZS1

schestowitz: add quotes to both

Dec 04 18:23

vZS1

There's also https://xcb.freedesktop.org

Dec 04 18:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xcb.freedesktop.org | xcb

Dec 04 18:27

vZS1

No Shithub

Dec 04 18:28

vZS1

Good old Git and bugzilla

Dec 04 18:28

schestowitz

does bugzilla have "the apppppp"?

Dec 04 18:28

MinceR

bugzilla ftw

MinceR

the only decent bug tracker i've ever used

MinceR

the only one that doesn't lose information if my login expires while i'm doing something

MinceR

the only one that doesn't lose information if 2 users make changes to the same ticket at the same time

schestowitz

lol

schestowitz

which ones fail at this?

schestowitz

btw, I installed bugzilla, very easy

MinceR

jira, versionone, clearquest

vZS1

It's also very lightweight

vZS1

Make sure you have the source

schestowitz

also considered installing one instance for techrights, but our todo list is short, so it's overkill

MinceR

i don't remember any others

vZS1

Because Mozilla will trash bugzilla eventually

vZS1

As has become their MO

schestowitz

they move to matrix

MinceR

yeah

schestowitz

from irc

schestowitz

but they considered even worse things

schestowitz

so matrix isn't as bad as it could be

schestowitz

they still use shithub a lot

schestowitz

even for spying code

vZS1

Shh

vZS1

You mean

vZS1

Metrics

vZS1

And

vZS1

Telemetry

MinceR

vZS1

Wait wut

vZS1

Freedesktop moved to ShitLab

vZS1

The old bugs are still on bugzilla

vZS1

When did that happen

MinceR

old bugs don't matter, as they're on the CADT development model anyway

Dec 04 18:36

MinceR

does bugzilla have a public repository somewhere?

Dec 04 18:36

vZS1

Let me check

Dec 04 18:37

vZS1

LOL

Dec 04 18:37

vZS1

They're on SHITHUB NOW

MinceR

ah, found it

vZS1

This is priceless 🤣

vZS1

They = bugzilla

vZS1

GG Mozilla

vZS1

Never disappoint

MinceR

justmozillathings

vZS1

At least the code is still mostly Perl

Dec 04 18:39

vZS1

I've been working on the skeleton of a bug tracker

Dec 04 18:41

vZS1

But I need to learn more Haskell

Dec 04 18:41

MinceR

if it's on the web, don't forget to handle login expiration properly if you're doing it at all :>

Dec 04 18:41

MinceR

most of these devs just throw it in and their webapp just drops your stuff on the floor when you submit

Dec 04 18:42

MinceR

often they can't even pop up a proper error message, it just ends up as some mess in some frame somewhere

Dec 04 18:42

schestowitz

[18:39] <vZS1> At least the code is still mostly Perl =>>>>>>>>> Perl - shithub

schestowitz

still working with Liz on ensuring Raku gets out of there

vZS1

It's still just in my head. Need to work out fundamentals first

vZS1

Good. Liz is definitely an ally

schestowitz

awareness is growing about shithub

schestowitz

but too few of us do the activism

schestowitz

days ago someone wrote a blog post

schestowitz

i assume in reply to me

schestowitz

about his project being on shithub

schestowitz

some listen, some even move

schestowitz

but not enough, not fast enough

schestowitz

youtube-dl debacle gave us some momentum

schestowitz

ICE debacle also

schestowitz

that's when they spammed the media, with their moles, re "Arctic Vault"

vZS1

youtube-dl is what we've needed for a long time

schestowitz

To distract from the ICE causing mass resignations and brain drain

schestowitz

not enougfh

schestowitz

we had 2 more since

vZS1

ICE as well

schestowitz

but the media did not pay attention

schestowitz

two drm/copyright-related takedowns

schestowitz

only one debacle got media attention

vZS1

"the media" is our enemy

http://techrights.org/2020/11/14/drm-loves-centralisation/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] DRM Loves Wintel/Microsoft/Centralisation/Monopoly | Techrights

http://techrights.org/2020/11/29/microsoft-bans-code/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Removes Free Software From GitHub Again, This Time for Motion Picture Association (MPA) | Techrights

x https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/takeover-accounts-federal-police-to-get-powers-to-tackle-the-dark-web-20201202-p56jt2.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au | Takeover accounts: Federal police to get powers to tackle the dark web

schestowitz

# anti-privacy drivel piggybacked onto the story

schestowitz

I will write later re https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2020/20201204.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - EPO and CNIPA discuss future co-operation at annual meeting

schestowitz

I need more help from people with epo docs

schestowitz

need people to help with the text

schestowitz

so we can publish more, and >faster<\

https://slackblogs.blogspot.com/2020/07/thunderbird-78-provides-end-toend.htmk

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://slackblogs.blogspot.com/2020/07/thunderbird-78-provides-end-toend.htmk )

https://slackblogs.blogspot.com/2020/07/thunderbird-78-provides-end-toend.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slackblogs.blogspot.com | SlackBlogs: Thunderbird 78 Provides End-toEnd Encryption by Default

vZS1

Do I see Slack?

schestowitz

slackqware

vZS1

Quackware

vZS1

🦆

http://techrights.org/2020/12/02/kidnapping-data/

vZS1

By quacks

Dec 04 18:52

vZS1

For quacks

Dec 04 18:52

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schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Espionage With Spyware: Slack’s Data Sold to Company That Helps ICE Kidnap Children and Forcibly Sterilise Women | Techrights

vZS1

schestowitz: you should host an IRC server on your own machine

vZS1

Get away from freenode. Reduce external dependencies

schestowitz

are you good at managing irc?

schestowitz

server side?

schestowitz

even gnu and fsf use freenode

vZS1

Haven't tried

schestowitz

so I assume it's no small feat to maintain

vZS1

I can try though

schestowitz

same for pleroma

schestowitz

esp. upgrades and redundancy

vZS1

Those are just growing pains for any infra

schestowitz

we did think about it

schestowitz

wikileaks did that

vZS1

I've not got the time now but I will be running my own next year. I can send you my notes when I make them

schestowitz

but they used that to handle sensitive chats

schestowitz

we use email with pgp for that

schestowitz

finally found, well... have looked for this for over 5 minutes! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/121351

Dec 04 18:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slack: It Used to Be a GNU/Linux Distro, Now It's Surveillance Capitalism | Tux Machines

Dec 04 18:56

vZS1

They're out to kill every indy GNU/Linux out there

Dec 04 18:57

MinceR

on IRC, connectivity issues cause a ton of noise

Dec 04 18:57

MinceR

so it had better be a reliable server then

Dec 04 18:57

MinceR

also, networks help, but you can't have one if you just run one server

Dec 04 18:58

vZS1

IRC has a lot of noise, in general

Dec 04 18:58

vZS1

But I don't mind noise

Dec 04 18:59

vZS1

If it means I have more control over what I'm using

Dec 04 18:59

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Dec 04 19:02

vZS1

Downtime and noise is fine

Dec 04 19:04

vZS1

It smooths out after you've been maintaining the software for a little while

schestowitz

irc is widely supported and light

schestowitz

with many software tools for it, not just clients

schestowitz

like viera

schestowitz

I hope pleroma.site comes back

vZS1

I mean from an admin perspective

schestowitz

then viera will run again

schestowitz

noise is everywhere

schestowitz

simplicity more important

schestowitz

you can make logs as html, text etc.

schestowitz

I still use todo.txt

vZS1

ngircd looks pretty good

schestowitz

almost everything I do is text files

schestowitz

so social control media and matrix is bloat and complixity

schestowitz

*plexity

https://ngircd.barton.de/documentation.php.en

vZS1

schestowitz: https://ngircd.barton.de

Dec 04 19:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ngircd.barton.de | ngIRCd: Next Generation IRC Daemon

Dec 04 19:08

schestowitz

is it distributed?

Dec 04 19:08

vZS1

What do you mean?

Dec 04 19:09

vZS1

It's an IRC daemon

Dec 04 19:09

vZS1

Docs look very clean

Dec 04 19:11

vZS1

Dec 04 19:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ngircd.barton.de | Documentation | ngIRCd: Next Generation IRC Daemon

Dec 04 19:12

vZS1

Shithub warning

Dec 04 19:12

schestowitz

I meant,

Dec 04 19:13

schestowitz

would it run like ipfs?

Dec 04 19:13

schestowitz

from multiple points and fallbacks?

Dec 04 19:13

vZS1

No. It's just a normal centralised server

Dec 04 19:14

schestowitz

without me having to do ha etc.

Dec 04 19:14

vZS1

You don't really need more than 1 daemons

Dec 04 19:15

schestowitz

that might introduce some side issues then

schestowitz

esp. if we're all on holiday

schestowitz

or something breaks

schestowitz

we already have enough software to to maintain on server, laptops, now rapi

https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/2020-state-of-linux-desktop-today.435538/

schestowitz

there's less than a handful of us

Dec 04 19:26

schestowitz

Dec 04 19:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.guru3d.com | 2020: State of Linux desktop today | guru3D Forums

Dec 04 19:30

schestowitz

old stuff cited there

Dec 04 19:30

MinceR

https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/13/40d0e710ffb51115.jpg

Dec 04 19:48

vZS1

Punctuation

Dec 04 19:50

vZS1

Saves lives

Dec 04 19:50

MinceR

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PDm13z2Dabc/UtHzFA9IhqI/AAAAAAAA-M0/fuVl9gT1Cxg/s1600/Screen+Shot+2014-01-11+at+8.42.22+PM.png

Dec 04 19:51

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Dec 04 19:57

XRevan86

MinceR: It's legal to own a Christian cat

Dec 04 20:00

MinceR

i doubt it's possible for a cat to be christian

Dec 04 20:01

MinceR

they're not stupid enough for that

Dec 04 20:01

oiaohm

MinceR: its in theory possible to have a Christian cat as in a baptised cat. Boy is that a insane sport of a idea.

Dec 04 20:20

MinceR

sprinkling water on a cat isn't going to change the cat's worldview, other than possibly making them more averse to water

Dec 04 20:22

MinceR

or making them dislike the human that did it to them

Dec 04 20:22

MinceR

(submerging the cat in water is no different)

Dec 04 20:22

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Dec 04 20:24

MinceR

(cat) https://ircz.de/p/20071820

Dec 04 20:24

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Dec 04 20:24

oiaohm

MinceR: https://www.wauchopegazette.com.au/story/5912157/cat-named-after-pope-is-baptised-in-wauchope/ I was not joking about the idea of a baptised cat.

Dec 04 20:25

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wauchopegazette.com.au | Cat named after pope is baptised in Wauchope | Wauchope Gazette | Wauchope, NSW

Dec 04 20:25

MinceR

i'm not surprised

Dec 04 20:26

oiaohm

Level of insanity that really happen.

Dec 04 20:26

oiaohm

Its more insane that someone named their cat after the pope.

Dec 04 20:27

MinceR

people name cats in all sorts of demeaning ways, unfortunately

Dec 04 20:28

oiaohm

My dog names have not been that great. Bouncer and Shadow.

Dec 04 20:28

MinceR

shadow isn't bad

Dec 04 20:29

MinceR

but dogs don't have dignity anyway

Dec 04 20:29

oiaohm

Funny part was there names end up being kind of descriptive. Bouncer was the dog that would look friendly get you in close then trip and pin you.

Dec 04 20:29

oiaohm

Shodow would act like the most savage dog you have ever seen but if you got close lick you to death.

Dec 04 20:30

oiaohm

What happens when you give fairly bright dogs a full life sized mirror to play with and brush up on their acting skills.

Dec 04 20:31

vZS1

schestowitz: re P2P and "piracy"

Dec 04 20:52

vZS1

Cite YouTube

Dec 04 20:52

vZS1

But it's Google so they could not do anything wrong

Dec 04 20:53

schestowitz

A friend sent that to me

schestowitz

very slow news day today

schestowitz

the news that exists is "non-sense"

schestowitz

dross, cruft

schestowitz

pleroma.site now down for nearly 6 days

Dec 04 20:56

MinceR

(audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/13/b1c8715e43ffac52.mp4

Dec 04 21:01

DaemonFC[m]

You can't fix stupid, so it wouldn't matter if Tor was bulletproof.

Dec 04 21:05

DaemonFC[m]

If people are running plugins and active content, running downloaded files, etc. then they can absolutely get caught eventually.

Dec 04 21:05

DaemonFC[m]

But since "Defender" scans everything that hits the hard drive, then on Windows, what you do on Tor is unmasked automatically.

Dec 04 21:06

DaemonFC[m]

No further action needed.

Dec 04 21:06

DaemonFC[m]

I filed a bug at one point urging them to discontinue the Windows version and proceed with only versions for Linux and BSD since Windows is backdoored spyware and a user can easily be tricked into running trojan horses that are guaranteed to work.

Dec 04 21:07

DaemonFC[m]

I would say that the US is not a free country. Not even close.

Dec 04 21:10

DaemonFC[m]

You get into court, and they do say you have a right to a trial, but your odds are about what they would have been in Nazi People's Court.

Dec 04 21:10

DaemonFC[m]

So the whole innocent until they prove you guilty just means they can't say where this is going once the proceedings start.

Dec 04 21:10

schestowitz

MinceR: maybe the strings are made of cow's tendons

Dec 04 21:11

MinceR

Dec 04 21:11

DaemonFC[m]

But it's very uncommon for people to beat the charge and leave, and probably the only thing that makes it better than Nazi People's Court is that they won't shoot you and if you spare them the expense of a pretend trial, they may go a little easier on you.

DaemonFC[m]

But this is not what you'd get in a free country. Not at all.

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: I just call the cops the Guardians or Civil Protection.

DaemonFC[m]

People who liked The Handmaid's Tale or Half Life would get it, right?

schestowitz

+2,023 dead in US so far today with #covid19 ... another 9/11 by day's end?

DaemonFC[m]

It made it clear in the series where the Republic of Gilead got Guardians from.

Dec 04 21:13

MinceR

Dec 04 21:14

DaemonFC[m]

While the United States was collapsing, the Guardians hadn't gotten their new uniforms yet and they still had their ICE patches on their uniforms.

Dec 04 21:14

DaemonFC[m]

Protests erupted and the new government wanted to send a message, so these guys just went out with machine guns and "took care of it" and the people who didn't get shot in the back trying to run away eventually didn't protest anymore.

oiaohm

2,606 is 9/11 death toll.

DaemonFC[m]

And it was shocking, the parallels of what was going on this summer and where Trump drew those enforcer squads from.

DaemonFC[m]

ICE, mostly.

DaemonFC[m]

Surreal.

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: It was pretty terrible going through the local People's Court last year.

Dec 04 21:20

DaemonFC[m]

The only reason it wasn't worse is that I was mostly just being slapped for coming to their attention at all.

Dec 04 21:20

DaemonFC[m]

If they have any real interest in you, you won't be so lucky.

Dec 04 21:20

DaemonFC[m]

oiaohm: Most Republicans responded to a survey that any number of lives lost is a reasonable number.

Dec 04 21:21

DaemonFC[m]

Until January 20th at noon or until it's them or someone in their own family, to be sure.

Dec 04 21:22

MinceR

sounds like people who aren't going to remain "republican" for much longer :>

Dec 04 21:22

DaemonFC[m]

Many really are stupid enough to practice what they preach with the limited mitigation options that we do have (masks and hand sanitizer).

Dec 04 21:22

MinceR

nvm, i read it the wrong way around

DaemonFC[m]

Taking no action at all to protect themselves.

MinceR

maybe they'll be selected against by nature :>

DaemonFC[m]

You know, I hope.

DaemonFC[m]

Do a shitty thing, get shitty results, and all that.

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: I hardly see anyone else using hand sanitizer on their cart handles at Walmart.

Dec 04 21:24

DaemonFC[m]

They just grab them and go in like nothing's happening.

Dec 04 21:24

MinceR

not an issue if they don't touch their faces until they wash/sanitize their hands

Dec 04 21:26

MinceR

and even if they do, afaik SARS-CoV-2 was found to be highly unlikely to spread via surfaces even though it seems to persist pretty well on them

Dec 04 21:27

MinceR

because there just aren't enough virions to cause an infection that way

Dec 04 21:27

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DaemonFC[m]

Well, can't hurt to disinfect the cart handles.

MinceR

can't hurt, but it's probably no big deal if you don't

DaemonFC[m]

I just assume that I might touch my face without thinking and hose down the cart handle with hand sanitizer on that assumption.

oiaohm

MinceR: it is a little more complex.

oiaohm

Like if you were cleaning a lot of those surfaces or touching a lot of serices without cleaning you hands you could collect enough to be a problem.

Dec 04 21:30

oiaohm

cleaning with not properly cleaning products that is.

Dec 04 21:31

oiaohm

as in dusting areas down.

Dec 04 21:31

oiaohm

There is need to take some due care.

Dec 04 21:31

vZS1

In reply to fig's latest article. Let's get a better name this time

Dec 04 21:39

vZS1

And call it Freedom-respecting software

Dec 04 21:39

vZS1

So it's harder to co-opt

Dec 04 21:39

vZS1

Just a suggestion

Dec 04 21:41

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Dec 04 21:45

schestowitz

vZS1: he will read this

Dec 04 21:48

schestowitz

maybe he will choose to do a follow-up article re the name

Dec 04 21:48

schestowitz

vZS1: if you know someone good at patent law, let me know

Dec 04 21:49

schestowitz

we could use help dealing with article backlog

Dec 04 21:49

schestowitz

lots of epo corruption left to expose

vZS1

Don't know why legal types, sadly

schestowitz

there are not many

schestowitz

except posers

schestowitz

if you know what I mean

schestowitz

ones who charge 300 quid an hour

vZS1

If I ever come across someone I'll let you know though

schestowitz

to do some basic paperwork and look "professiona:

schestowitz

Groklaw still offline btw

Dec 04 21:52

schestowitz

all you find is many articles about how good the site was

Dec 04 21:52

schestowitz

re epo it's a missed opportunity as we have lots of material and not enough people to cover it all profoundly

Dec 04 21:52

schestowitz

our EPO coverage made it into Private Eye several times

Dec 04 21:53

schestowitz

now I just don't know what site to access for news

Dec 04 21:53

schestowitz

I keep having this dilemma

schestowitz

almost none I can trust for "general news"

schestowitz

and to now 'rape' the user/visitor via the browser

schestowitz

now, re FOSS

schestowitz

and tech

schestowitz

most of it is PR and spam now

schestowitz

puff pieces and plants disguised as 'reports' and 'reviews'

schestowitz

re legal issues in tech, almost 100% extinct

schestowitz

that used to exist, not anymore

Dec 04 21:55

DaemonFC[m]

Whenever we have arguments, Mandy turns to whataboutism, usually involving John.

DaemonFC[m]

But so does mom.

DaemonFC[m]

It seems to be a way out for people who are losing an argument and are just trying to piss you off.

DaemonFC[m]

I learned the word for it because it's what Vladimir Putin seems to do all the time when he gets an uncomfortable question and ends up on the spot.

schestowitz

why just Mandy?

schestowitz

everyone does that

schestowitz

maybe John did too

schestowitz

(if you think about it)

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amreo_

Hi!

Dec 04 23:00

schestowitz

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DaemonFC[m]

I wonder if Clear Linux is worth looking into as a daily driver.

Dec 04 23:54

DaemonFC[m]

It's supposed to be really optimized for Intel's latest CPUs and graphics chips, but AMD systems run it okay too.

Dec 04 23:55

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: The US scraped the ceiling yesterday, coming up just short of 3,000 dead from COVID.

Dec 04 23:56

DaemonFC[m]

There's certainly no indication from the total currently infected that this is going to slow down, and we're still way too early to see the death figures from the high 100,000s and low 200,000s newly infected.

DaemonFC[m]

So I think we're in for some 4,000+ days in a couple weeks.

schestowitz

"We have seen a sharp upward surge in long-term unemployment (more than 26 weeks), as many of the people who were laid off during the shutdowns" https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/12/03/what-to-look-for-in-the-november-jobs-report/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What to Look for in the November Jobs Report - CounterPunch.org

DaemonFC[m]

The WSJ gave Mike Pence an op-ed to say there was no reason for alarm and no second wave this summer.