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MinceRhttp://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/Woman-Yelling-at-a-Cat-%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B-%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82-5707360.jpegFeb 05 00:00
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19121958Feb 05 00:54
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/650458.jpgFeb 05 02:20
cubexyzMinceR, home server back to normal?Feb 05 02:22
MinceRno, it was replaced with the vpsFeb 05 02:23
MinceRit was a pain to fix issues on the home server when i was away from home anywayFeb 05 02:23
MinceRalso, it's deadFeb 05 02:23
MinceRi suppose it could be fixed by replacing a capacitor or something, but i'm not really motivated to do soFeb 05 02:24
MinceRthe weekly reconnects are also gone :>Feb 05 02:24
cubexyzrecapping a motherboard usually costs around $100 to $130Feb 05 02:25
cubexyzas you can imagine most people don't botherFeb 05 02:25
MinceRfor that money i could just buy another rpi4Feb 05 02:26
danielp3344MinceR: with nonfree boot firmware? :OFeb 05 02:26
MinceRdanielp3344: this intel atom thing has nonfree boot firmware as wellFeb 05 02:26
cubexyzwell, I do want to keep the pre-UEFI stuff working Feb 05 02:26
danielp3344You could get an orangepiFeb 05 02:26
danielp3344or something from pine64Feb 05 02:26
MinceRit would have more RAM and i could reduce CPU load by not using virtualization anymoreFeb 05 02:27
cubexyzso I'll probably recap the amiga and the P3'sFeb 05 02:27
MinceRthey don't seem to sell those in hungaryFeb 05 02:27
MinceRonce i get a credit card, i'll look into ordering from abroadFeb 05 02:27
cubexyzthis monitor I'm using for IRC is from 1996Feb 05 02:32
cubexyza lot of my stuff is pretty oldFeb 05 02:32
cubexyzeven in the 1990s some of the motherboards were badFeb 05 02:34
cubexyzI can remember some brands not even lasting 2 or 3 yearsFeb 05 02:35
MinceRalso, orange pi-s tend to use allwinner soc-sFeb 05 02:44
MinceRi already have an allwinner board, the cubietruck, and it's crapFeb 05 02:44
MinceRit just barely boots the hacked ubuntu image they've providedFeb 05 02:44
MinceRif i tell it to go fullhd, it crashes with a screen full of random pixelsFeb 05 02:44
MinceRand allwinner doesn't care about SBC usersFeb 05 02:45
danielp3344I've had to use custom kernels for all my allwinner devices, but they workFeb 05 02:45
danielp3344^Feb 05 02:45
MinceR"Be aware that Allwinner is notorious for GPL violations; consider this when making a purchase." https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/single-board-computersFeb 05 02:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Single-board computers — Free Software Foundation — working together for free softwareFeb 05 02:47
cubexyzwhat should we be buying?Feb 05 02:47
MinceRapparently nothingFeb 05 02:47
MinceRor maybe something someone only sells in the usa or only in red china or something like thatFeb 05 02:47
MinceRanything i could actually buy without the hungarian post office stealing or losing it is apparently problematicFeb 05 02:48
MinceRchances are so is everything elseFeb 05 02:52
MinceRnonfree boot firmware here, nonfree wifi firmware there, nonfree GPU firmware in yet another placeFeb 05 02:53
cubexyzthere's chromebooks...Feb 05 02:53
MinceRchinese hw backdoor, usian hw backdoorFeb 05 02:53
MinceRyeah, a few extreme low end chromebooks are even sold hereFeb 05 02:53
MinceRi wanted a passively cooled chromebookFeb 05 02:53
MinceRwhen i found out it's sold in the usa and korea and nowhere else, i gave up on itFeb 05 02:53
MinceRand i'm afraid i'd have to risk bricking it to not wait 30s on a developer mode warning screen every time i boot itFeb 05 02:54
MinceRand possibly obtain special toolsFeb 05 02:54
cubexyzI bet you could pick up a refurb HP 11 G4 for pretty cheapFeb 05 02:58
MinceRi've used enough HP for lifeFeb 05 02:58
cubexyzI'd like one with an luminated keyboardFeb 05 02:58
MinceRthat laptop had the most atrocious firmware i've ever experienced, by farFeb 05 02:58
MinceR(ProBook something)Feb 05 02:58
oiaohmMinceR: it depends on the allwinner chip a lot.   Feb 05 03:04
oiaohmhttps://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort#Status_Matrix   pinephone is using a A64 allwinner almost all it support is in fact mainline uboot and mainline kernel.Feb 05 03:05
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MinceRi'm leaving the experimenting to others :>Feb 05 03:05
oiaohmRight down to have a open source init of ramFeb 05 03:06
oiaohmBasically A64 is blobless.Feb 05 03:06
oiaohmIts stupid right a company that has been accused of GPL violations and has been gulity,  happens to in hardware init stuff to use the least blobs and have been providing the source code to that init stuff..Feb 05 03:10
oiaohmMinceR: basically the world is a messed up place.Feb 05 03:10
MinceRindeedFeb 05 03:11
MinceRi blame humansFeb 05 03:11
cubexyztoo much short term thinking I'd sayFeb 05 03:13
MinceRalso non-thinkingFeb 05 03:13
oiaohmhttp://rockchip.wikidot.com/ddrinuboot  rockchip they do provide enough to uboot to get system up without their closed source blob but they don't provide the source code for the nice auto detect so you want that you have to use the blob.   Allwinner is better on that point.Feb 05 03:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rockchip.wikidot.com | DDR in U-Boot - Rockchip WikiFeb 05 03:15
oiaohmThe open source memory detect with allwinner has the nice auto stuff.Feb 05 03:15
oiaohmYes that was coded by allwinner.Feb 05 03:16
oiaohmI really hate having to pick arm soc chips all of them have different grade of problemsFeb 05 03:16
MinceRmy point exactlyFeb 05 03:17
MinceRthough this doesn't seem to be limited to ARMFeb 05 03:17
MinceRjust the problems changFeb 05 03:17
MinceReFeb 05 03:17
oiaohmBetween GPL violations to mandate blobs so the socs start.Feb 05 03:17
oiaohmMinceR:  to be correct arm compared to X86 most arm chips are better than x86 on the volume of blobs.   Of course in power boards most arm boards are worse.Feb 05 03:25
oiaohmThe new FreeScale i.MX8M  in the  Purism's Librem 5  cannot init ram without a closed source blob.Feb 05 03:27
MinceRfunFeb 05 03:27
oiaohmThat the problem I have no arm vendor does not make  some socs that sux.Feb 05 03:28
oiaohmAt this stage you cannot say X brand of arm socs will give you as open as possible chip every single time.Feb 05 03:29
oiaohmIts also why I am not willing to say I will not buy a particular brand either.  That might cut me out of the most open chip for the job.Feb 05 03:31
DaemonFC[m]It's interesting that in Chrome OS Linux subsystem it says Linux 4.19 but that must be the Chrome OS Linux kernel with Debian 9's userland?Feb 05 03:40
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/containers_and_vms.md   Crostini under chromeos is very much like WSL2.   Basically using the linux kernel kvm hypervisor to run debian kernel inside it.Feb 05 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chromium.googlesource.com | Chromium OS Docs - Running Custom Containers Under Chrome OSFeb 05 03:44
DaemonFC[m]The apps seem to run smoothly enough even on a 4 GB RAM Celeron 3350.Feb 05 03:46
DaemonFC[m]That's impressive. Doubt Backdoors 10 with WSL could keep up.Feb 05 03:46
DaemonFC[m]Vivaldi seems pretty good.Feb 05 03:54
DaemonFC[m]I got myself a nice @vivaldi.net email. Feb 05 03:55
MinceRsince microshit sucks at everything, them sucking at virtualization shouldn't be surprising :>Feb 05 04:00
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schestowitzcubexyz: are you good at hard drive recoveries?Feb 05 07:14
schestowitz@allFeb 05 07:21
schestowitzadvice neededFeb 05 07:21
schestowitzI've just had an incident here.Feb 05 07:24
schestowitzI won't moan, I will explain it and keep that short, concise.Feb 05 07:24
schestowitzFrom backup boxes I've just taken missing log bits, after my filesystem went read-onlyFeb 05 07:24
schestowitzIt happened only once before, around 3 months ago...Feb 05 07:24
schestowitzDays ago I started noticing some warnings in dmesgFeb 05 07:24
schestowitzBut hours ago it was too much for it... so  read-only... boom! Nothing more logged to disk, not even new mail. I tried to shut down as cleanly as was possible.Feb 05 07:24
schestowitzI have not seen any obvious -- to me -- evidence of data loss, though I'm sure data 'eroded', based on the fscking I did. I had to reboot as it's a root partition.Feb 05 07:24
schestowitzSince the reboot I've seen more warnings, such as (in dmesg):Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  948.013574] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#21 CDB: Read(10) 28 00 09 e8 60 90 00 00 78 00Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  948.013577] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 166224017Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  948.013595] ata1: EH completeFeb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.696492] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0xfbc0000 SErr 0x0 action 0x0Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.696500] ata1.00: irq_stat 0x40000008Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.696506] ata1.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUEDFeb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.696517] ata1.00: cmd 60/38:c0:b0:15:f0/00:00:08:00:00/40 tag 24 ncq 28672 inFeb 05 07:24
schestowitz                        res 41/40:00:b3:15:f0/00:00:08:00:00/40 Emask 0x409 (media error) <F>                                                                                                        Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.696522] ata1.00: status: { DRDY ERR }Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.696525] ata1.00: error: { UNC }Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.701527] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.701562] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 FAILED Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSEFeb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.701569] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor] Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.701575] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failedFeb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.701582] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 CDB: Read(10) 28 00 08 f0 15 b0 00 00 38 00Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.701586] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 149951923Feb 05 07:24
schestowitz[  978.701608] ata1: EH completeFeb 05 07:24
schestowitzThe age of this disk is 11. It only went read-only twice in 3 or so months. Time to jog on and move to something else? The fsck did not show /lots/ of errors and they didn't seem like total show-stoppers, so...Feb 05 07:24
schestowitzIt probably won't be long until the next such incident, as I still see some warnings.Feb 05 07:24
schestowitzAlso, any way to check the extent of data loss? Or where something may have been corrupted (where in the filesystem)?Feb 05 07:24
schestowitzI will be off work this weekend, so can install Debian on another laptop (if need be...)Feb 05 07:24
schestowitzShould I attempt to stick with this box much longer? It's keyboard, screen, and batteries are already bust (I use external).Feb 05 07:24
oiaohmschestowitz: that reading like a drive that has run out of relocatable sectors.Feb 05 07:26
schestowitzyou mean spare ones to use as contingencies?Feb 05 07:27
schestowitz(thanks, oiaohm, for helping)Feb 05 07:27
oiaohmschestowitz: moden day drives fsck does not show anything until you are well and truly in hell.Feb 05 07:27
oiaohmsmart system in the harddrive controller has space sectors it uses as contingencies to relocated data to as it finds errors.Feb 05 07:28
schestowitzwhat is the prognosis?Feb 05 07:28
schestowitzI would not swap a drive on this machine, it's worth less than a new drivebFeb 05 07:28
schestowitz*driveFeb 05 07:28
schestowitzso should I make more disk space available? It's 98% fullFeb 05 07:28
schestowitzthe errors I saw back in October were more alarmingFeb 05 07:29
schestowitzdmesg even shouted in r ed color "THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. DATA WILL BE LOST!"Feb 05 07:29
schestowitzor something to that effectFeb 05 07:30
schestowitzbut not this time, not that I saw anywayFeb 05 07:30
oiaohmwith modern day drives you should be under linux is running smartctl on them and watching Reallocated_Sector_Ct valve.Feb 05 07:31
oiaohmschestowitz: I guess the drive with trouble will be reading 100 as in all spare sectors used.Feb 05 07:32
oiaohmOnce that happens it time to transfer the data off the drive to a new one.Feb 05 07:33
oiaohmIn some cases before.Feb 05 07:33
oiaohmschestowitz: smart means to reallocate sectors has no alignment to how full the drive is.  Its more is the drive functioning correctly.Feb 05 07:34
oiaohmschestowitz: I have used drives for non critical scratch data once they have this issue.   But for any data you want safe not a good idea once smart is out of sectors to relocate with.Feb 05 07:35
schestowitzis it worth persisting with this drive?Feb 05 07:38
schestowitzsome critical things, some not so criticalFeb 05 07:38
schestowitzand I have a stack of old backups, tooFeb 05 07:39
schestowitzin case some old stuff got corruptedFeb 05 07:39
schestowitzover the past 1 hour I see no further errors in dmeshFeb 05 07:39
schestowitzI did see some shortly after rebooting (new ones)Feb 05 07:40
schestowitzI am also deleting some large files (media) at the moment to bring down disk usageFeb 05 07:40
*schestowitz thinks of moving to another machine as main workstationFeb 05 07:47
*schestowitz thinks this one can become fallback/failsafe only, but migration will be lots of workFeb 05 07:48
oiaohmschestowitz: smart not repairing errors has no link to disc usage.Feb 05 07:56
oiaohmBasically once you at that point you want to get everything crticial off that drive while that stuff is good.Feb 05 07:57
schestowitzok, thank you, oiaohmFeb 05 07:57
schestowitzI will work to get off this machineFeb 05 07:57
schestowitzexcept for contingenciesFeb 05 07:58
schestowitzI hoped last year's incident would be a one-offFeb 05 07:58
schestowitzbut this is the second timeFeb 05 07:58
schestowitzso two strikes, out...Feb 05 07:58
oiaohmI have used drives in this failed stated as build drives and other things.Feb 05 07:58
oiaohmNormally this is not two strikes and out.Feb 05 07:58
oiaohmThis is 1 strike and out.Feb 05 07:58
oiaohmBecause by the time smart throw error like that there has been at least 100 to 200 strikes that smart has handled already.Feb 05 07:59
oiaohmschestowitz: basically well and truly in the weeds of hell by the time that appears.Feb 05 07:59
schestowitzthanks, oiaohmFeb 05 08:00
oiaohmAs a scratch drive that you don't care about the data on the drive.  Drives with this kind of error can be used for another 5 to 10 years.Feb 05 08:00
schestowitzmessage to a friend:Feb 05 08:00
schestowitz> I'd migrate away, quickly.  Those are all great big red warning flags.Feb 05 08:00
schestowitz> The units are missing from the number 11 given above.  Is that 11 monthsFeb 05 08:00
schestowitz> or 11 years?  If the former, it is still under warranty.  If the latter,Feb 05 08:00
schestowitz> consider it to be corrupting your data already.  Since you only everFeb 05 08:00
schestowitz> work from home you might consider a tower with multiple drive bays andFeb 05 08:00
schestowitz> run OpenZFS on them.  Or else set up an ARM-based NAS with OpenZFSFeb 05 08:00
schestowitz> underneath.  The checksumming hinders data corruption.Feb 05 08:00
schestowitzI think that I will, instead, go buy another second-hand (but not old) laptop and start migrating all my things to it.Feb 05 08:00
schestowitzI still have stacks of backups predating those issue, so in theory, if I am eager (takes time), if some time in the future I find corrupt data I might be able to retrieve it from older backups.Feb 05 08:00
schestowitzThe more critical things I have are published material on the sites/servers. For that we have RAID and occasional backups offsite.Feb 05 08:01
schestowitzThis reminds me... I don't think that for TR we have a backup (offisite) of ~/public_html/wp-content/uploads/2019 and 2020Feb 05 08:01
schestowitzThere are important docs there which older backups of mine still lack.Feb 05 08:01
schestowitzWorth backing up those years (and latest DB) offsite, just to be safe...Feb 05 08:01
schestowitzIt'll likely be a hectic, hard day for me.... if we indeed buy another laptop and migration of my main workstation would take ages... so much stuff on it.Feb 05 08:01
schestowitz=====Feb 05 08:01
schestowitz^ we will also play extra safe with the server side nowFeb 05 08:01
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schestowitzon this machine I have some work-related stuffFeb 05 08:01
oiaohmNormally when I get a second hand machine I replace the harddrive.Feb 05 08:01
schestowitzdepends... on a laptop and all....Feb 05 08:01
schestowitztrickier to openFeb 05 08:02
schestowitzI swapped those beforeFeb 05 08:02
schestowitzwhen I was 19Feb 05 08:02
schestowitzand put a new drive in... on a CompaqFeb 05 08:02
oiaohmIf the drive bay in the laptop is not simple to open I normally don't get the laptop.Feb 05 08:02
schestowitzbut... I reckon that other hardware issues might creep in before the drive wears offFeb 05 08:02
schestowitzI need a laptop for some things, but...Feb 05 08:02
oiaohmHarddrives in laptops is normally 1 of the first parts to major fail.Feb 05 08:03
schestowitzcould settle for a deskop again, as I have spare laptopsFeb 05 08:03
oiaohmfor laptops being transported a lot I have got into fitting m.2 in converters to 2.5 drive cases.Feb 05 08:03
schestowitzthe second-hand ones anyway don't quite have 'windows tax' afaikFeb 05 08:03
oiaohmSolid state is stronger for transport abuse.Feb 05 08:03
schestowitzBTW, I have a dumb quesiionFeb 05 08:05
schestowitzwhen I scp or rsync a file overFeb 05 08:05
schestowitzwill that flag surface level corruption at disk level?Feb 05 08:05
schestowitzAs when I backed up this disk I never saw any visible complaint in  standard outputFeb 05 08:06
schestowitz(did not check dmesg)Feb 05 08:06
schestowitzI just need to roughly know how much damage was done to the dataFeb 05 08:06
schestowitzhmmmm.... heck, maybe I can still use this machine just for IRCFeb 05 08:07
schestowitzsplitting the load a little, I have backups for the IRC logs anywayFeb 05 08:07
schestowitzand/or as VPN gatewayFeb 05 08:07
oiaohmsometimes yes sometimes no.   Sometimes you will have a message in dmseg that a sector was relocated and repaired those cases rsync and the like go forwards normally.Feb 05 08:07
schestowitzthanksFeb 05 08:07
oiaohmOther cases you will have sector access error.Feb 05 08:07
schestowitzI will buy a laptop today, I think, toss Debian Buster on itFeb 05 08:08
oiaohmOf course the smart repair may not have repaired it properly.Feb 05 08:08
schestowitzso I will be working with 4 laptops in parallelFeb 05 08:08
schestowitznever done this beforeFeb 05 08:08
schestowitzI'll deiced what I can keep here on this HPFeb 05 08:08
schestowitzIRC logging, music etc.Feb 05 08:08
oiaohmDo consider the option of just replacing the drive in the laptop.Feb 05 08:08
schestowitznoFeb 05 08:09
schestowitzit's a bad state laptop...Feb 05 08:09
schestowitznot worth itFeb 05 08:09
schestowitzkeyboard not goodFeb 05 08:09
schestowitzscreen not workingFeb 05 08:09
schestowitzno batteryFeb 05 08:09
schestowitzonly 2gb of ramFeb 05 08:09
oiaohmSo other parts have failed and it been dead man walking.Feb 05 08:09
schestowitzso sooner or later it will be obsolete anywayFeb 05 08:09
schestowitzyes, it's screenless, keyboardless POSFeb 05 08:09
oiaohmdrive is just final nail.Feb 05 08:09
schestowitzit's like a desktop under the desk nowFeb 05 08:09
schestowitzconnected to USB devices and VGA port for screenFeb 05 08:10
schestowitzit's from 2009Feb 05 08:10
schestowitzI'll move all my files to the new machine (if I buy one today)Feb 05 08:10
schestowitzthis one I'll decide what functions it can still have... nothing where data is criticalFeb 05 08:11
oiaohmWith failing sectors that can fail randomally where ever on that drive it possible to have a boot failure and other horrible things at any time from now on.Feb 05 08:11
schestowitzjabber, irc, maybe some browsingFeb 05 08:11
oiaohmAny time from the first major error message.Feb 05 08:11
schestowitzyes, I knowFeb 05 08:11
oiaohmReason why for key data and OS drive I will always replace drives in this broken state.Feb 05 08:11
schestowitzI had a a couple of ailing reboot attempted earlierFeb 05 08:11
oiaohmBy one means or another.Feb 05 08:12
schestowitzbut only IF the laptop or desktop as a whole has more legs left to itFeb 05 08:12
schestowitzthis one has had no screen for over  a  yearFeb 05 08:12
oiaohmMy desktop machines are full ATX cases.Feb 05 08:12
schestowitzbattery not there for almost 1 decadeFeb 05 08:12
schestowitzit had no juice in it, it only made it heavierFeb 05 08:12
schestowitzbrbFeb 05 08:13
schestowitzok, am backFeb 05 08:18
schestowitzthe laptop with no working screen is on the floorFeb 05 08:18
schestowitzI think I can fit another laptop on the desFeb 05 08:18
schestowitz*diskFeb 05 08:18
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schestowitzthe important thing is, its hard drive should be okFeb 05 08:19
schestowitzoiaohm: it is arranged like thisFeb 05 08:19
schestowitzscreen on the left is the main laptop, which is actually on the carpetFeb 05 08:19
schestowitzthe two visible laptops don't have on them critical dataFeb 05 08:20
schestowitzI use them for things like editing and browsing, temporallyFeb 05 08:20
schestowitzsynergy connects the mouse and keyboard to all of themFeb 05 08:20
schestowitzI suppose that for purposes of synergy 'centralisation' I can stay with this same laptopFeb 05 08:21
schestowitzas in case it won't boot I can send the USB ports to the new main laptopFeb 05 08:21
schestowitzwhich will deal with files, mail, etc.Feb 05 08:21
schestowitzthe critical data stuffFeb 05 08:21
schestowitzI can make the migration sort of staged, with a major snapshot taken overnight of /homeFeb 05 08:22
schestowitzand then the 'live' /home becomes the new laptop  -- a second-hand one actuallyFeb 05 08:22
schestowitzbut then no need to keep it in sync anymoreFeb 05 08:22
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oiaohmschestowitz: you need to get in the habit of using smartctl and monitoring the status of your drives so these problems don't sneak up on you.Feb 05 09:24
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schestowitzoiaohm: yeah, since the last issue I sometimes took a look at dmesgFeb 05 10:00
schestowitzperiodicallFeb 05 10:00
schestowitzperiodicallyFeb 05 10:00
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schestowitzbut nothing moreFeb 05 10:00
schestowitzsaw some warning signs days agoFeb 05 10:00
schestowitzbefore it went ROFeb 05 10:00
schestowitzoiaohm: I have in fact just checked againFeb 05 10:01
schestowitzno further FS-related panicsFeb 05 10:01
schestowitzonly the usualsFeb 05 10:01
schestowitz0Feb 05 10:02
schestowitz[ 4400.425101] perf interrupt took too long (5002 > 5000), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 25000Feb 05 10:02
schestowitz[10093.558864] CPU1: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 1)Feb 05 10:02
schestowitz[10093.558879] mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events loggedFeb 05 10:02
schestowitz[10093.559515] CPU1: Core temperature/speed normalFeb 05 10:02
schestowitz[10093.559523] mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events loggedFeb 05 10:02
schestowitzI never changed thermal paste or anythingFeb 05 10:02
schestowitzso overheating issues are there alsoFeb 05 10:02
schestowitzand CPU throttled downFeb 05 10:02
schestowitztime for another machineFeb 05 10:02
schestowitzwe leave home in a few minutesFeb 05 10:02
oiaohmschestowitz: intel processors coming up to end of life start generating more heat so changing paste does not always help.Feb 05 10:22
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19121955Feb 05 15:16
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schestowitzoiaohm: got a new laptopFeb 05 15:49
schestowitzwell, almost newFeb 05 15:49
schestowitzhp probookFeb 05 15:49
schestowitzssdFeb 05 15:49
schestowitzwhich I assume it likely to last longerFeb 05 15:49
schestowitzMinceR: intelligent design at TeslaFeb 05 15:50
schestowitzeverything happens for a reason :-Feb 05 15:50
MinceR:>Feb 05 15:51
MinceRtoo often the reason is incompetenceFeb 05 15:51
MinceRor just not giving a shitFeb 05 15:51
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19121938Feb 05 16:00
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19121928Feb 05 16:29
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MinceR(audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/45b1e9c3573704e5.mp4Feb 05 16:50
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Guest84978Hi guys :-)  I can't see how to claim name. Was in as a guest couple days ago, re non-sysd and pclinuxos et Feb 05 17:16
Guest84978*etcFeb 05 17:16
XRevan86Guest84978: Well, it means you're trying names that are already registered.Feb 05 17:17
Guest84978I see, thanksFeb 05 17:17
Guest84978Will try a different name next timeFeb 05 17:17
XRevan86So Freenode renames you back to a stub name.Feb 05 17:17
XRevan86Guest84978: You can try something else with /nickFeb 05 17:17
Guest84978I wondered; good to knowFeb 05 17:17
Guest84978am trying, lolFeb 05 17:17
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MogzAha! Feb 05 17:18
MogzsuccessFeb 05 17:18
MinceR(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Aj7W3g1qoFeb 05 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Michelangelo Didn't Paint the Last Supper - YouTubeFeb 05 17:19
Mogzlol, can't go wrong with Monty PythonFeb 05 17:19
Mogzlol, "it took me hours"Feb 05 17:20
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Mogzeek, licking wounds after yesterday trying to install a non-sysd ... pclinuxos and devuan failed bootloader, then mxlinux the most bloated (non-privacy focussed) distro I've encountered, even though it runs wellFeb 05 17:22
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MogzIdeally, want to go to a BSD, but what do you do when you're a beginner/(low-level) intermediate, lol?Feb 05 17:23
MinceRyou learnFeb 05 17:23
MogzSeeing new gui installers come out for BSDs ... exGENT and FuryBSDFeb 05 17:23
MogzI know my limits, plus dealing with health issues. Feb 05 17:24
MinceRhaving a separate computer (or VM) to learn a new OS helpsFeb 05 17:24
XRevan86Mogz: I've never tried Devuan's installer, but there are two ways of mitigating it if it gives you problems: 1. install Debian and convert, 2. debootstrapFeb 05 17:24
MogzI did arch the proper way, but because I found a proper step-by-step guide ... I learnt something about how things are, but know I'll never be super-tech, but simply decent maintenance, and the 'do nothing stupid/fiddly' kindFeb 05 17:24
MogzI don't even understand that (re devuan alternative method); sorryFeb 05 17:25
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MinceRthere's a manual method for debian/devuan via debootstrap, it's documented in debian's docsFeb 05 17:25
MogzThat's the worrying thing; what do non-supertechs do to get away from systemd-homed?Feb 05 17:25
MinceRbedrock would be yet another way, but it's probably not for newbs :>Feb 05 17:25
MinceRi run non-systemd OS-esFeb 05 17:25
MinceRif i had to run a systemd distro (probably for work), i'd probably keep most of my files outside /homeFeb 05 17:26
MogzDisappointed in pclinuxos and devuan, as it would really help the non-systemd side of linux if the bootloaders worked. There are non-tech linux users who do other stuff, like donate etc, but it's like watching the sea go out and all the rubbish left showing, when you don't have the actual mental ability to do more tech stuff, but want to beFeb 05 17:27
Mogzsystemd-freeFeb 05 17:27
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MogzEven though I watched install vids, read forum threads (all of which contradicted), read other forum threads, just could not find out how to fix the bootloader (pclinuxos)Feb 05 17:31
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MogzI think the only way non-systemd will expand on linux is if people make it more accessible, as not everyone is great at tech, but can be good at other ways of contributing e.g. art, donating, dtp, etc. Feb 05 17:35
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MogzAnyways, I'll not get involved in the systemd/non-systemd further ... no point, if it's not accessible. It'll end up being Tails in order to order groceries, quick check round, then shut the pc down, lol. Feb 05 17:37
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MogzAt least don't need to donate any more, as won't fund systemd or exclusivity etc. Feb 05 17:39
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/15/5a86f6d9e3603857.pngFeb 05 18:38
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schestowitz[17:27] <Mogz> Disappointed in pclinuxos and devuan, as it would really help the non-systemd side of linux if the bootloaders worked. There are non-tech linux users who do other stuff, like donate etc, but it's like watching the sea go out and all the rubbish left showing, when you don't have the actual mental ability to do more tech stuff, but want to beFeb 05 18:45
schestowitzwe are installing Debian  at the momentFeb 05 18:45
schestowitzjust had to pull some firmware blobs for wifiFeb 05 18:45
schestowitzWe did the same last monthFeb 05 18:46
schestowitzthis morning someone asked me to try Devuan insteadFeb 05 18:46
MinceRi usually just use the Wi-Pi for installing lately if Ethernet is unavailableFeb 05 18:46
MinceRit works without downloading any blobs :>Feb 05 18:46
MinceRalso, Mogz is goneFeb 05 18:46
schestowitzyeah, but eventually if you want working wifi...Feb 05 18:47
schestowitzI am no fan of wifi myselfFeb 05 18:47
schestowitzbut the router/hub is on another floodFeb 05 18:47
schestowitzfloorFeb 05 18:47
schestowitzand we already use one 13-meter cableFeb 05 18:47
schestowitzfor a Cisco phone that does no wi-fiFeb 05 18:47
MinceRby then i have the firmware installed for the integrated intel stuff :>Feb 05 18:49
schestowitzfair pointFeb 05 18:56
schestowitznice funny pics btwFeb 05 18:56
schestowitzwe esp. liked the cat pawing the whatever it is... chicken?Feb 05 18:57
DaemonFC[m]> Daniel Peterson: this intel atom thing has nonfree boot firmware as wellFeb 05 19:09
DaemonFC[m]It seems like the Celeron 3350N is the new Atom.Feb 05 19:09
DaemonFC[m]It's hard to outdo Bay Fail for overall shitty design of a mobile platform. Feb 05 19:11
DaemonFC[m]Even Microsoft gave up and marooned Intel Bay Fail customers on security updates only life support for 18 months. They were the first, but not the last.Feb 05 19:12
XRevan86Devuan .iso's don't include firmware blobs?Feb 05 19:13
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DaemonFC[m]There's unofficial ones that do, but they hide those.Feb 05 19:13
MinceRyeah, i think it was chickenFeb 05 19:14
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Same as Debian then?Feb 05 19:15
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/25/66f0646b2b59ee38.jpgFeb 05 19:15
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schestowitz[19:13] <XRevan86> Devuan .iso's don't include firmware blobs?Feb 05 19:22
schestowitzI wondered the sameFeb 05 19:22
schestowitzbut I have experience getting them if needed, so that does not scare me like the first time...Feb 05 19:22
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XRevan86This looks… like a useful application of foldable screens. Neat.Feb 05 19:30
XRevan86schestowitz: I learnt how to debootstrap very early on in my experience with Debian (and GNU/Linux, and UNIX-like in general), just to avoid dealing with the installerFeb 05 19:31
XRevan86because I only had a wireless connection at convenience.Feb 05 19:33
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schestowitzMotorola?!Feb 05 19:49
schestowitzThe one we bought is a second-hand HP ProBppk todayFeb 05 19:49
schestowitzthis will be my main PCFeb 05 19:49
schestowitzit only cost 199 poundsFeb 05 19:50
XRevan86schestowitz: Yes, Motorola is still activeFeb 05 19:50
schestowitzin the legal part.Feb 05 19:50
schestowitzand maybe licensingFeb 05 19:50
schestowitzmaybe they just licensed some chinese factory to slam the "M" on its shitFeb 05 19:50
schestowitzmnhFeb 05 19:51
schestowitzhelps sell betterFeb 05 19:51
schestowitzmakes it sound Ammmmmmeri-CANFeb 05 19:51
XRevan86I don't know what relationship it has with its parent company.Feb 05 19:51
XRevan86It's pretty compact, and I think there will be a lot more devices like that in the future.Feb 05 19:54
XRevan86MinceR: Fenix has got itself WebExt support (not released yet).Feb 05 19:58
MinceRgoodFeb 05 20:00
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MinceR(audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/25/9abe967e607e031a.mp4Feb 05 20:39
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/24/c3073a85a3b74f25.jpgFeb 05 21:12
DaemonFC[m]In January's patch update for my Galaxy S8+, there were 17 Critical vulnerabilities fixed. 5 of them were in Android and 12 were in things that Samsung added to Android.Feb 05 21:17
DaemonFC[m]Of course I removed/disabled a lot of that, including yanking out the entire Samsung Pay framework because it kept trying to turn NFC on and possibly make my phone vulnerable to anything I happened to walk too close to. Plus, it's bloat.Feb 05 21:19
DaemonFC[m]And with Samsung getting ready to abandon the phone for turning three, that's just what you want to have in there. :PFeb 05 21:20
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psydroidI don't know what Wintel did with Atom hardware but I have had good experiences recently with hardware from 5 years ago, as it runs Linux pretty well prolonging life far beyond what Windows would be able to offer on that same hardwareFeb 05 22:20
psydroidthis laptop from today only cost €50 and the touchpad works well tooFeb 05 22:20
psydroidthe seller was running Windows 10 on it with a USB mouse attachedFeb 05 22:21
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XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Why would you have the address bar at the bottom on a tablet?Feb 05 22:55
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DaemonFC[m]It's a laptop.Feb 05 22:57
DaemonFC[m]And because I can.Feb 05 22:57
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XRevan86Oh, it's GNOME Shell, right. On a sleepy eye it looked like Android %)Feb 05 23:00
XRevan86and on Android bottom address bar is trendy and makes senseFeb 05 23:00
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I see you use Google stuffFeb 05 23:01
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ05sjqVwCQFeb 05 23:02
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*XRevan86 looks at the title: oh no, what did they do this time?Feb 05 23:02
XRevan86oh, it's just car enthusiastsFeb 05 23:04
MinceR:>Feb 05 23:05
DaemonFC[m]I've been checking out Vivaldi mail.Feb 05 23:15
DaemonFC[m]They give you 5 GB and my Gmail has turned mostly into spam.Feb 05 23:15
*XRevan86 looks at the channelFeb 05 23:16
XRevan86MinceR: they are mad!Feb 05 23:16
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/0e36195f038e1fd8.jpgFeb 05 23:55
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