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[00:11]	schestowitz	MinceR: one looks like a shadow of the other
[00:11]	schestowitz	very nice
[00:20]	TR News	[Meme] #EPC 50th Anniversary Whitewash in Preparation... Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/whitewash-epo-50/ #Techrights #epo #europe #patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/04/whitewash-epo-50/
[00:20]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPC 50th Anniversary Whitewash in Preparation | Techrights
[00:39]		*x is now known as kingoffrance
[00:40]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22012346
[00:40]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/mqu7WH4.jpg created on 2022-01-23 16:22:41.167643
[00:42]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Ubuntu now has nag screens for "Ubuntu Pro" on the daily images.
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR	i saw that
[00:43]	XRevan86	MinceR: The is so afraid of homosexual cooties, poor thing.
[00:43]	XRevan86	* The guy
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	[21:49] <techrights-news> How to turn a #gnu #linux desktop into a noise machine like a #spyphone https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/02/ubuntu-22-04-ubuntu-pro-notification
[00:43]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 Dailies Show an Ubuntu Pro Notification on Login - OMG! Ubuntu!
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: I need your help proofreading
[00:44]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/epo-self-service/
[00:44]	TR Bot	 The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part XXXXI: Public Service or Self-Service? | Techrights
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[00:48]	XRevan86	MinceR: For some reason, this reminded me of this display of heterosexuality: https://youtu.be/NWnSkt25tCg
[00:48]	TR Bot	- YouTube
[00:48]	XRevan86	Zhirinovsky, LDPR, the best people Russia has to offer.
[00:52]	TR News	The EPOs Overseer/Overseen #Collusion Part XXXXI: Public Service or Self-Service? Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/epo-self-service/ #Techrights #EPO #Europe #Corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/04/epo-self-service/
[00:53]	XRevan86	So these are the people with whom it would be okay to leave one's child alone, no cooties there, unlike some pesky school teacher :)
[00:58]	schestowitz-TR	what does cooties mean in this context?
[00:59]	schestowitz	just in https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenGL-4.2-Mesa-D3D12
[00:59]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenGL-4.2-Mesa-D3D12
[00:59]	TR Bot	Mesa D3D12 Driver Now Allows OpenGL 4.2 - Phoronix
[00:59]	schestowitz	wow, yay, microsoft..
● Feb 05
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR	maybe microsoft will send a case of zunes and KINs
[01:01]	TR News	Gammath SPOT version 1.9 (beta) released on 4 February 2022, but the project needs to #deletegithub https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Gammath_SPOT #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #fsf
[01:01]	TR Bot	 Gammath SPOT - Free Software Directory
[01:01]		*gene (~621eac21@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
[01:01]	schestowitz-TR	hi, gene
[01:02]	gene	howdy
[01:02]	gene	i have no idea how i stumbled upon this site, but somehow i'm here
[01:02]	schestowitz-TR	good
[01:02]	TR News	#clowncomputing means #security breach. No journalist should use such systems. https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/04/news_corp_china_compromised/
[01:02]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/04/news_corp_china_compromised/
[01:02]	TR Bot	 News Corp journalists' accounts compromised, China suspected The Register
[01:03]	gene	technically, i know i'm on irc, but like it's via the website, so i'm still on the website as a whole; seems like a good mix of politics and tech; which is nice
[01:03]	schestowitz-TR	the daily links?
[01:03]	schestowitz-TR	i don't or cannot see the context
[01:03]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Something icky that can be transmitted from interaction with the opposite sex. Extended in the context to mean a different type of person.
[01:03]	gene	i've yet to find a space on the internet to argue for US to pass a bill similar to SHAKE/STIR regulation for telcos but for ISPs [or RIRs] with RPKI for BGP >.>
[01:03]	XRevan86	Imaginary decease.
[01:04]	schestowitz-TR	ah, yes, I remember that term
[01:04]	XRevan86	It's a very American term.
[01:05]	TR News	#Zenwalk #GNU #Linux 15.0-220204 is out. Good to see #distrowatch too emphasising GNU (Ladislav)
[01:08]	TR News	System76 refreshes Kudu Linux laptop with Ryzen 7 CPU and up to 64GB RAM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/160960#comment-32742
[01:08]	TR Bot	 System76 Launches AMD-Powered Kudu Linux Laptop for Expert Multitaskers | Tux Machines
[01:09]	gene	so how is everyone?
[01:10]	TR News	Reminds me of the #penguin clickbait of late https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/49106/20220129/new-study-reveals-octopuses-extraterrestrial-organisms-space.htm
[01:10]	TR Bot	 New Study Reveals How Octopuses May Have Been Extraterrestrial Organisms From Space | Nature World News
[01:10]	schestowitz-TR	gene: for many it is night
[01:10]	schestowitz-TR	it is also 1am here
[01:11]	gene	ah, is this mostly a german/eurocentric server?
[01:11]	schestowitz-TR	noi
[01:11]	schestowitz-TR	no
[01:11]	schestowitz-TR	it is based in SF
[01:11]	gene	oh, it's like 5 PM on a friday in SF >.>
[01:11]	TR News	"Yet another update as things keep accelerating. Steam Deck Verified and Playable games just reached a total of 251 titles during our last refresh." #kde #archlinus #gnu #linux https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-verified-and-playable-games-cross-the-250-titles-mark/
[01:11]	TR Bot	 Steam Deck Verified and Playable Games Cross the 250 Titles Mark - Boiling Steam
[01:12]	schestowitz-TR	the site and team is widely distributed
[01:13]	gene	i'm trying to find the point, is it people just hating on closed sourced stuff?
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	no
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	we've just published 2 posts
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	they are about EPO corruption
[01:14]	TR News	"After borking my #ChimeraOS install (by running sudo frzr-unlock to unlock the immutable file system, then sudo pacman -Syu to upgrade the packages. Pretty dumb of me to do that), I went on to try Arch." https://boilingsteam.com/gpd-win-3-the-tide-me-over-for-the-steam-deck/
[01:14]	TR Bot	 GPD Win 3: The Tide-Me-Over for the Steam Deck? - Boiling Steam
[01:14]	gene	EPO ?
[01:15]	schestowitz	.gemini://gemini.techrights.org/intro/ 
[01:15]	gene	oh, patent office
[01:15]	gene	idk how to handle the gemini protocol
[01:15]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/gemini/
[01:15]	TR Bot	 Techrights on Gemini | Techrights
[01:15]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/04/28/joining-gemini-space/
[01:15]	TR Bot	 Joining Gemini Space and Reading Over Encrypted Connection Without Unnecessary Clutter | Techrights
[01:16]	chunky	tech rights are very important thank u for hosting this 
[01:17]	schestowitz-TR	thank you
[01:18]	gene	i'm glad gopher made a comeback in the next generation of web
[01:18]	TR News	Wow. Some site still push this 2-WEEK-OLD "news" https://www.cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/all-linux-distributions-affected-by-12-year-old-pwnkit-local-privilege-escalation-bug-allowing-an-attacker-to-execute-commands-as-root/ see http://techrights.org/2022/01/13/microsoft-connected-fud-pr/
[01:18]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: cpomagazine.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/all-linux-distributions-affected-by-12-year-old-pwnkit-local-privilege-escalation-bug-allowing-an-attacker-to-execute-commands-as-root/
[01:18]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/all-linux-distributions-affected-by-12-year-old-pwnkit-local-privilege-escalation-bug-allowing-an-attacker-to-execute-commands-as-root/ )
[01:18]	TR Bot	 2022 Commences With Microsoft-Themed (and Microsoft-Connected) FUD Against GNU/Linux | Techrights
[01:18]	schestowitz-TR	gene: something was needed to replace what the web became
[01:18]	schestowitz-TR	I think gemini because the default fallback for now
[01:19]	gene	web is like 5 social media sites at this point for most users
[01:19]	gene	and hundreds of mobile apps
[01:20]	TR News	3D Printed Radiation Shields Get Put To The Test | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/02/04/3d-printed-radiation-shields-get-put-to-the-test/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/05/#latest
[01:20]	TR Bot	Printed Radiation Shields Get Put To The Test | Hackaday
[01:20]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[01:20]	schestowitz-TR	gene: seeme so
[01:20]	schestowitz-TR	but if it's "apps"
[01:20]	schestowitz-TR	then www is justa  transport layer
[01:20]	gene	aws api endpoints
[01:20]	schestowitz-TR	and not even hypertext anymore
[01:21]	schestowitz-TR	gene: they have buzzwords for these
[01:21]	gene	lambdas?
[01:22]	TR News	#Apple , #Broadcom undo $1bn Wi-Fi #patent payout to #Caltech - #ElReg https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/04/apple_broadcom_caltech/
[01:22]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/04/apple_broadcom_caltech/
[01:22]	TR Bot	 Apple, Broadcom undo $1bn Wi-Fi patent payout to Caltech The Register
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	gene: no
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	that's the brand name
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	or product name
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	the acynym is sometimes faas and I saw "servless" a lot
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	*serverless
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	which is truly poppycock 
[01:23]	gene	i mean, if yall don't have to pay for ops people anymore and just make your devs do ops, then what can possibly go wrong /s
[01:23]	schestowitz-TR	they make up new terminopoly
[01:23]	schestowitz-TR	to cushion or help the "SALES" team
[01:23]	gene	because an embedded system programmer totally understands subnetting and ACLs
[01:24]	gene	"amazon glacier" - we put yo stuff on tapes yo
[01:24]	schestowitz-TR	daemons became "microservices"
[01:24]	schestowitz-TR	"devops" is about overworking people
[01:24]	schestowitz-TR	getting them to do more jobsl, more time, same salary
[01:24]	schestowitz-TR	even on-call at night
[01:24]	gene	increased salary from ops perspective honestly
[01:25]	gene	at least here
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	gene: wait, I thought bezos was flying rockets to Antarctica 
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	with your data
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	like Microsoft with fake news about "arctic vault"
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	to distract from ICEgate
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	ICE? 
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	vault?
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	arctic?
[01:25]	gene	uhh, that's gates putting stuff in anatarctica with github stuff iirc
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	lots of maangers were quitting github back then
[01:26]	gene	amazon glacier is just a storage service for long term data storage
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	also know aas drive
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	if you own th e server, the data stays there
[01:26]	kingoffrance	"because an embedded system programmer totally understands subnetting and ACLs"  im pretty sure thats the goal IOT
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	no monthly fees
[01:26]	psydroid8	make sure everyone knows everything and pay them the salary for a junior dev
[01:27]		*kingoffrance reads a scroll of cloud <wiped out all embedded system programmers>
[01:27]	gene	kingoffrance - that explains why every iot is hacked after a couple months
[01:27]	kingoffrance	:)
[01:27]	schestowitz-TR	hacked AND cracked
[01:29]	TR News	"You may have noticed additional Stage 3 links marked with "desktop profile" on the #Gentoo downloads page recently. So what's this about?" #gnu #linux https://dilfridge.blogspot.com/2022/02/gentoo-desktop-stage-3-downloads.html
[01:29]	TR Bot	 the dilfridge blog: Gentoo "desktop profile" Stage 3 downloads
[01:29]	psydroid8	have your marketing drones create and software using "no code" methodologies and eliminate all developers
[01:30]	gene	pretty sure gpt-3 is working on that
[01:30]	psydroid8	-and
[01:30]	gene	they'll come close to a partial solution in 20 years or so
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[01:31]	kingoffrance	are we allowed to suggest graphics?   i nominate skeleton army for cloud reviving mainframe  https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pF_Fi7x93PY
[01:31]	TR Bot	 Jason and the Argonauts skeleton fight - Invidious
[01:32]	psydroid8	I saw some IDE by Sun 20 years ago that did something like that
[01:32]	schestowitz-TR	We'll implement non-management first ;-)
[01:32]	gene	github does stuff now weirdly too
[01:32]	schestowitz-TR	and then turn them into our butlers; -)
[01:32]	gene	hot take; servers are already our butlers
[01:32]	schestowitz-TR	oh
[01:33]	schestowitz-TR	that's what you call managers? ^_^
[01:33]	gene	they're just waiting for us to give them commands and do our tasks and whatnot; they just need very specific instructions
[01:33]	gene	also, gemini.techrights.org is giving me a TLS error? 0.o
[01:33]	schestowitz-TR	what client?
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	the web one? know issue
[01:34]	gene	geminaut
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	I talk to the developer of it this week
[01:34]	gene	is the server not running TLS?
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	it runs OK
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	and should work
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	maybe version numbers
[01:35]	gene	ima just install amfora
[01:35]	schestowitz-TR	ok, good
[01:35]	schestowitz-TR	we are working on a web gateway for it
[01:35]	schestowitz-TR	in perl likely
[01:38]	gene	so, just saying, the preamble says yall down for enslaving AI
[01:38]	gene	like "we own the computers straight up"
[01:39]	schestowitz-TR	or
[01:39]	schestowitz-TR	the computers should be opermissive
[01:39]	TR News	#Debian on an x86_64 tablet Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161115 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:39]	TR Bot	 Debian on an x86_64 tablet | Tux Machines
[01:39]	gene	> Towards that end, the people using their computers should be in                            charge of computers and control what the computers do
[01:39]	schestowitz-TR	there is a lot of locking down going on
[01:39]	schestowitz-TR	with patents
[01:39]	schestowitz-TR	drm fake "trust"
[01:40]	schestowitz-TR	"app stores"
[01:40]	gene	blackboxes as "security" for bootloaders
[01:40]	schestowitz-TR	as if we are all turned into consumers
[01:40]	gene	i sometimes wish to live in a forest or a homestead
[01:40]	schestowitz-TR	after decades of people owning computers and exercising some control over them
[01:40]	TR News	#GeckoLinux Pantheon | Review from an #openSUSE User Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161116 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:40]	TR Bot	 GeckoLinux Pantheon | Review from an openSUSE User | Tux Machines
[01:41]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161117 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:41]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[01:41]	gene	> a focus has been on eliminating software patents.
[01:41]	gene	tbh, if we fixed patents and intellectual property laws as a whole, we'd probably be better off? what if source code was opened 7 years after it was sold?
[01:42]	gene	so, microsoft would legally have to release code from 2015 because intellectual property reform for private source code
[01:42]	TR News	#Games: Dying Light 2 Stay Human, #SteamDeck , and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161118 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:42]	TR Bot	 Games: Dying Light 2 Stay Human, Steam Deck, and More | Tux Machines
[01:42]	gene	and i picked 7 years as an arbitary time period of exclusive ownership after general sale
[01:42]	schestowitz-TR	but wait
[01:42]	schestowitz-TR	you mix two things here
[01:43]	schestowitz-TR	patents and copyrights
[01:43]	gene	intellectual property is intellectual property
[01:43]	schestowitz-TR	no
[01:43]	schestowitz-TR	it's a propaganda term
[01:43]	schestowitz-TR	and if you probe it
[01:43]	schestowitz-TR	you realise it is a misnomer, too
[01:43]	gene	what? words?
[01:44]	psydroid8	https://oxide.computer/
[01:44]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: oxide.computer | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://oxide.computer/
[01:44]	TR Bot	 Oxide
[01:44]	psydroid8	sounds like Sun Microsystems 2.0
[01:44]	TR News	Cellular IoT gateways come in industrial, security, and transport flavors https://linuxgizmos.com/cellular-iot-gateways-come-in-industrial-security-and-transport-flavors/ #LinuxGizmos #Hardware #Devices #GNU #Linux
[01:44]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/cellular-iot-gateways-come-in-industrial-security-and-transport-flavors/
[01:44]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/cellular-iot-gateways-come-in-industrial-security-and-transport-flavors/ )
[01:45]	schestowitz-TR	gene: that's like "brexit means brexit"
[01:45]	schestowitz-TR	those things are not property
[01:45]	schestowitz-TR	not legally
[01:45]	schestowitz-TR	not technically
[01:45]	schestowitz-TR	courts saidf the same
[01:45]	schestowitz-TR	so have scholars
[01:45]	gene	erm; i'm waiting for "brunion: sponsored by irn-bru" honestly..
[01:46]	TR News	Why Rubber is Such a Problem for Retro Computing Enthusiasts https://tedium.co/2022/02/04/rubber-decay-retro-computers-history/ #tedium | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/05/#latest
[01:46]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2022/02/04/rubber-decay-retro-computers-history/
[01:46]	TR Bot	 Why Rubber is Such a Problem for Retro Computing Enthusiasts
[01:47]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[01:49]	TR News	The #EPO is slowly gearing up to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the signing of the #EPC in October 1973 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/whitewash-epo-50/ #Techrights #Europe #Corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/04/whitewash-epo-50/
[01:49]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPC 50th Anniversary Whitewash in Preparation | Techrights
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[01:51]	TR News	Benot Battistellis #EPO #corruption (persisting under the current administration of his friend, #AntnioCampinos ) is under investigation again; we consider how an institution meant to be run by public servants became self-serving money machine Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/epo-self-service/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/04/epo-self-service/
[01:51]	TR Bot	 The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part XXXXI: Public Service or Self-Service? | Techrights
[01:53]	gene	so, i mean, no one likes patent trolls, and cloudflare does some to shield people now...
[01:54]	gene	oh wait, they do not; they rallied folks to fight on their behalf but didn't use those resources to spawn efforts to defend others with similar cases
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR	right
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR	we covered this ages ago
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR	2017 iirc
[01:55]	TR News	xkcd: Sea Chase https://xkcd.com/2577/ #xkcd
[01:55]	TR Bot	Sea Chase
[01:55]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2577/
[01:55]	TR News	#QubesOS 4.1.0 has been released! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161119 #JoannaRutkowska has left. I wonder why...
[01:55]	TR Bot	 Qubes OS 4.1.0 has been released! | Tux Machines
[01:56]	gene	i suppose i could browse the archives
[01:56]	gene	yall have them which is cool, most communities don't keep archives
[01:56]	TR News	"combat hair discrimination in our community." https://www.cleveland19.com/2022/02/05/next-400-northeast-ohio-cosmetologist-awarded-grant-combat-hair-discrimination/
[01:56]	TR Bot	 The Next 400: Northeast Ohio cosmetologist awarded grant to combat hair discrimination
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR	gene: you can go to:
[01:57]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/site-archives/
[01:57]	TR Bot	 Site Archives (Download) | Techrights
[01:58]	gene	https://i.imgur.com/G5S7avg.png
[01:58]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/G5S7avg.png
[01:58]	schestowitz-TR	ah, the irc log
[01:58]	schestowitz-TR	we have them going back to 2008
[01:58]	kingoffrance	agree with schestowitz , its always been such:  http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=bouvier&Query=possession  POSSESSION, property    Possession applies properly only to corporeal things   
[01:58]	TR Bot	possession
[01:59]	schestowitz-TR	kingoffrance: you stole my idea!
[01:59]	schestowitz-TR	pirate!
[01:59]	kingoffrance	non-corporeal things is "quasi-property" "quasi-possession"
[01:59]	schestowitz-TR	a metaphor at best
[01:59]	kingoffrance	^^^
[01:59]	gene	intellectual property is a form of property
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[02:00]	schestowitz-TR	no, it is fiction
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR	made up by politicians and lawyer-politicians
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR	and law firms
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR	corporate lwyers
[02:00]	kingoffrance	well, define a "bit"
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR	promotion fictions and misnomers
[02:00]	kingoffrance	math does not corporeally exist
[02:00]	kingoffrance	its entire usefulness is because it can be applied to a myraid of things
[02:00]	kingoffrance	*myriad
[02:01]	kingoffrance	i have 3.   3 what?
[02:01]	kingoffrance	math is purposely incorporeal
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR	discoveries versus inventions
[02:01]	gene	a lot of things in life are "fiction" - things like "money"
[02:01]	kingoffrance	^^^
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR	true
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR	man-made concept
[02:01]	kingoffrance	yes, that is a giant can of worms for same reason :)
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR	many people now make up new 'money'
[02:01]	kingoffrance	and it actually comes up
[02:01]	kingoffrance	when you have to determine laws for where something is located
[02:02]	kingoffrance	digits in my account -- in my possesion, or in some computer somewhere?
[02:02]	kingoffrance	i have a credit card in my hand, do i possess those digits?
[02:02]	kingoffrance	or is it in their computer?
[02:02]	schestowitz-TR	money is data
[02:02]	kingoffrance	i merely have a claim on them i believe
[02:02]	gene	oh, figuring out our location in the universe is actually very complex, measuring a specific location in a specific spacetime is hard
[02:02]	schestowitz-TR	and it's based on an honour system
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR	if chine bans 'cypto' fakecoins, then those become worthless there
[02:03]	gene	bans are only as effective as the enforcement
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR	china enforces harshly
[02:04]	gene	not every rule afaik
[02:04]	TR News	"I've said for ages that I wanted to play SuperTux the platformer not #SuperTux Kart the racer and that's finally happening today, I have no idea how long the game is but I know it's been in development for year." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OLewR5KLwJo
[02:04]	TR Bot	( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OLewR5KLwJo )
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR	nor every person
[02:05]	gene	of course, america is #1 in prisoner population, so chances of being locked up for a minor infraction is lower in china than here
[02:05]	TR News	Dirk Eddelbuettel: corels 0.0.4 on CRAN: M1 Update http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2022/02/04#corels_0.0.4 #cran #Rcpp
[02:05]	TR Bot	 Thinking inside the box
[02:05]	schestowitz-TR	gene: but that's because of other factor
[02:06]	schestowitz-TR	less doccile populatiomn
[02:06]	schestowitz-TR	more laws
[02:06]	schestowitz-TR	for-profit prisons
[02:06]	schestowitz-TR	that lock you up for longer and don't lead to "correction"
[02:06]	gene	i'm totally for prison abolition in its current form
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR	you would destroy a lot of jobs !!
[02:07]	gene	i think norway's system is a pretty decent start, but i don't see why we can't acheive 90% recitivism rates
[02:07]	gene	oh, their argument would be "how do you pay for that?"
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR	norway is very different
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR	high neducation rates, smaller population/density, more wealth
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR	also few kids
[02:07]	gene	even though, ironically, paying $150k/yr for 1-2 years rather than paying $50k / yr for 10 years, then another $50k/yr for 5-8 years every [then 3 years], then 5-8 years after that...
[02:08]	gene	that math doesn't add up for most people... penny wise, pound foolish
[02:09]	gene	lower recitivism rates means much higher overall price per prisoner... if you raise recitivism rates that'd be lower long term cost, but higher short term cost...
[02:09]	TR News	" #pupX is a GUI to set various properties of the X server. It is to be found in the "Desktop" menu category. One popular use is to set mouse acceleration; however, that is broken." https://bkhome.org/news/202202/pupx-fixed.html
[02:09]	TR Bot	 pupX fixed
[02:09]	gene	[higher overall price per year, but not total]
[02:12]	gene	america is technically richer than norway tbf
[02:12]	DaemonFC	The only thing kids do for people is make them even poorer.
[02:13]	DaemonFC	And then they have no savings and no investments.
[02:13]	DaemonFC	Then they bitch when programs that pay them money from the government end because "How am I supposed to put brakes on mah Honda now!?".
[02:13]	gene	kids make nestle and tesla rich tho working in plantations and mines respectfully
[02:13]	DaemonFC	Get a job and have all the brakes on all the Hondas you want.
[02:14]	gene	jobs are fake
[02:18]	gene	brakes are also fake, people should have regenerative braking as a default
[02:18]	gene	[and reserve actual brakes for emergency usage]
[02:21]	kingoffrance	https://sourceforge.net/p/pdos/gitcode/ci/master/tree/pdpgoal.txt  i saw this the other day.. which does not affect code at all -- one can use or contribute public domain stuff without any obligation to agree with author(s) philosophy
[02:21]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: sourceforge.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sourceforge.net/p/pdos/gitcode/ci/master/tree/pdpgoal.txt
[02:21]	TR Bot	 PDOS / Git Code / [ede690] /pdpgoal.txt
[02:21]	kingoffrance	Note that when a company makes a sovereign decision to not release source code for their product, that is their innate right
[02:22]	kingoffrance	that didnt seem to phase people, but that is same sort of thing
[02:22]	kingoffrance	assuming he meant "corporation" 1) they have no rights, merely a charter of privileges 2) theoretically only exist for the public good  3)  are not sovereign
[02:23]	kingoffrance	innate: present at birth
[02:23]	kingoffrance	again, they are incorporeal
[02:23]	kingoffrance	incorporate: give a body to    incorporate: immaterial
[02:23]	kingoffrance	corporate: having a body/corpse/material
[02:24]	kingoffrance	they are only "birthed" by joining people as their "body" i.e. representatives 
[02:24]	gene	property rights are defined by the state which are arbitary definitions as a whole...
[02:25]	kingoffrance	guy is in australia i believe, so maybe that's how australia works, i dont know
[02:25]	kingoffrance	america "declaration of independence" is 180:  men create gov., etc.
[02:26]	kingoffrance	well, other people we agreed it was meant "limited sovereignty within their sphere" i.e. internal company decision
[02:26]	kingoffrance	i.e. without "outside" influence
[02:26]	gene	the US constitution does mention intellectual property stuff actually, but says "reasonable time" - to me, reasonable is 7 years
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[02:28]	gene	"The Congress shall have Power to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"
[02:28]	gene	erm, limited time seems like 7 years*
[02:30]	gene	in reality, thanks to disney and whatnot, its like the lifetime of the creator + a bunch of time
[02:30]	gene	yall know this already how broken the system is
[02:30]	gene	i don't need to preach to the choir?
[02:37]	kingoffrance	yeah :)    above public domain philosophy i dont think is 100% wrong, but i would be happier with "quasi-right" "quasi-sovereign" etc.  and scratch the "innate" because there is only "quasi-birth".   its always a simulated "pretend this is a natural, corporeal person"
[02:38]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-040222.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-040222.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-040222.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-040222.txt
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[02:41]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, February 04, 2022
[02:43]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-02-04.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-02-04.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
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[02:54]	DaemonFC	Northwestern University libtards are trying to pin "police violence" on preterm births and strokes and heart attacks in black women.
[02:54]	DaemonFC	Christ.....everyone knows not to go near the police if you can avoid it.
[02:55]	AdmFubar	https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/04/rudra_sarsawat_ubuntu_projects/
[02:55]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/04/rudra_sarsawat_ubuntu_projects/
[02:55]	TR Bot	 12-year-old Rudra Saraswat's Ubuntu projects The Register
[02:55]	DaemonFC	They're always in a shitty mood, and look what goes on in Chicago all day, and that's why.
[02:55]	DaemonFC	They get crackheads on the red line dousing themselves with gasoline and setting themselves on fire and that's before breakfast.
[02:56]	DaemonFC	So by the time they get to pulling you over for something, they're already pissed about something else.
[02:56]	DaemonFC	It's like having to go in front of the judge after Speed Thermometer Guy.
● Feb 05
[03:02]	gene	https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/rzwawc/most_white_americans_feel_safe_in_interacting/
[03:02]	TR Bot	 Most White Americans feel safe in interacting with police whereas most Black Americans feared that police would kill them and hurt their family. "Approximately half of Black respondents preferred to be robbed or burglarized than to have unprovoked contact with officers." : science
[03:15]	DaemonFC	I don't feel safe around the police.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	Anyone who does is either lying or stupid.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	The police have done more to fuck up my life than black criminals.
[03:16]	DaemonFC	I lost 100 times as much money to the police and have a permanent blacklisting now that I'll have to petition the court to remove.
[03:16]	DaemonFC	And to black criminals, I had a gun pointed at me for a minute and lost a crummy cell phone with a resell value of $100.
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[03:26]	AdmFubar	https://lincolnproject.us/mark-will-be-fine/
[03:26]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: lincolnproject.us | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lincolnproject.us/mark-will-be-fine/
[03:26]	TR Bot	 The Lincoln Project: Mark Will Be Fine
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[03:38]	AdmFubar	:))  https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/04/meta-rivalry-apple-inflamed-facebook-parent-company-share-price-plummets
[03:38]	TR Bot	 Meta rivalry with Apple inflamed as Facebook parent company share price plummets | Technology | The Guardian
[03:46]	AdmFubar	https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/04/amazon-chews-through-the-average-worker-in-eight-months-they-need-a-union
[03:46]	TR Bot	 Amazon chews through the average worker in eight months. They need a union | Steven Greenhouse | The Guardian
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[04:06]	AdmFubar	https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/01/29/2228203&from=rss
[04:06]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: Windows Needs at Least 8 Hours Online to Update Reliably - SoylentNews
[04:07]	AdmFubar	bet it needs less time to be compromised
[04:18]	AdmFubar	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220122/19573348336/legislators-looking-to-ban-geofence-reverse-warrants-state-new-york.shtml
[04:18]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220122/19573348336/legislators-looking-to-ban-geofence-reverse-warrants-state-new-york.shtml
[04:18]	TR Bot	Looking To Ban Geofence/Reverse Warrants In The State Of New York | Techdirt
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[05:02]	DaemonFC	https://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-reenables-avx512-support-on-alder-lake-cpus
[05:02]	TR Bot	 MSI Re-Enables AVX-512 Support on Alder Lake CPUs | Tom's Hardware
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[05:44]	immibis	DaemonFC: and yet you are right-wing?
[05:44]	DaemonFC	I wouldn't say that.
[05:44]	DaemonFC	The police are dangerous to people who acted in self-defense to stop a crime in progress against themselves.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	I wish more conservatives acknowledged this.
[05:45]	lukaso666	hi, I'm new here... I'm Linux user since 22 years (Debian lover), FOSS maniac, an anarchist... my interests: linux and BSD, privacy, XMPP, IRC, Tox, tilig WMs, hard science fiction & cyberpunk, philosophy, Siberia, languges (russian, czech, Esperanto - my favs!)  
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[05:46]	DaemonFC	The people who vote in Illinois are disarming law abiding citizens and this "duty to flee" nonsense puts people in danger because they defended themselves and now it's up to a court to decide if three hoodrats with a gun were something they should have tried to run away from.
[05:46]	DaemonFC	Duty to flee makes the police dangerous to people who act in self-defense against people who wouldn't be dead if they had their hands in their own pockets or had gone and read a book instead of trying to carjack them.
[05:47]	DaemonFC	Every state where the voting public has the slightest bit of sanity has a Stand Your Ground law.
[05:48]	DaemonFC	If none of the Republican candidates are acceptable in this year's election, I'll vote for the Libertarian candidate for Illinois governor. And if Pritzker loses because he chased people like me off, then that's his fault.
[05:49]	DaemonFC	He's up to election year stunts like 1 year tax moratoriums on property, groceries, and gas, but that's a proposal and it'll be back in a year and as bad as ever.
[05:49]	DaemonFC	It's designed to make people less pissed until the election is finished.
[05:50]	DaemonFC	Until this state reforms spending and lowers the tax burden, these credit ratings upgrades will be unjustifiable. And the reason we're getting upgrades on our debt outlook is because these are the same ratings firms that said you couldn't lose if you bought mortgage-backed securities in 2007.
[05:51]	DaemonFC	The only unit of government in America I will still buy bonds from is the federal government.
[05:51]	DaemonFC	And that's only because it has the ability to "make it so" because it can say there's enough money to pay you back with the interest it agreed to.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	Then there is. And it's bullshit, but you play the game.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	Because you get back the interest and principle and at best, it all buys what the principle alone did years ago when you loaned it the money.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	But the stock market is in the toilet and cryptocurrency is just flat out the stuff of idiots.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	For so many reasons.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	You know, you put money in crypto and you can gain or lose a lot of money. It depends on when you time it, and when you do, it's not like selling bonds back to the government. It results in very complex capital gains calculations that you can get wrong and have the IRS breathing down your neck.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	Then you have to hire accountants to deal with them, and it's just frankly not worth dealing with the tax code implications of messing around with thousands of crypto transactions.
[05:55]	DaemonFC	If you're like most Americans and you just want a vehicle for savings that isn't going to tank and wipe you out, and want to sit out this stock market malaise, then Savings Bonds are pretty good right now.
[05:55]	DaemonFC	And past a certain amount of savings, you really don't want it in a bank account.
[05:56]	DaemonFC	I think past $15,000-20,000 you don't want that in a bank account.
[05:56]	AdmFubar	some type of wing...;)
[05:56]	DaemonFC	You need to have the liquidity, but then you also need to look at not getting murdered by inflation on the rest.
[05:57]	DaemonFC	So it's reasonable to have some savings bonds, even if it's just buying them here and there to make sure your savings doesn't grow too much in a bank account where it doesn't earn much.
[05:57]	kingoffrance	welcome lukaso666 
[05:57]	lukaso666	kingoffrance, hi!
[05:57]		*kingoffrance glares at all the people who didnt say hi
[05:57]	DaemonFC	You can say "It's unlikely that in the next year, my expenses will exceed my savings if I have X amount in the bank. The rest can be in bonds."
[05:58]	AdmFubar	has sunglasses on and cannot see glare...
[05:58]	AdmFubar	:P
[05:58]	DaemonFC	And the first round of bonds I bought last year can be redeemed now if I need to, so I can buy a second round of bonds this year.
[05:58]	DaemonFC	And then I can stairstep them, so each year I have less that I can't get access to in a pinch vs. ones that are redeemable.
[05:59]	DaemonFC	Year 1, everything is off limits.
[05:59]	DaemonFC	Year 2, you can redeem half if you need to. Year 3, you can redeem 2/3rds if you had to. And so on.
● Feb 05
[06:18]	DaemonFC	There's an app called Jerry being advertised on Facebook.
[06:18]	DaemonFC	It finds super sketchy car insurance companies and takes commissions for signing people up for cheap insurance policies.
[06:18]	DaemonFC	Then what usually happens is they hit someone and the company actually doesn't pay up and they get sued.
[06:20]	DaemonFC	My favorite is how about 30% of the people in Illinois have no insurance at all, no license, and drive anyway.
[06:20]	DaemonFC	"Oh I don't need to pay $30 a month for insurance!" *screech! CRUNCH!*
[06:21]	DaemonFC	Then they're being hauled off to jail, fined, you name it.
[06:22]	DaemonFC	The first offense is a fine of $2,500 and you lose your license for three months. Then if you decide to drive anyway during that three months and get pulled over, you go to jail or end up on probation (and fined $5,000) because it's a Class A Misdemeanor.
[06:23]	DaemonFC	I couldn't imagine losing my license during COVID even if it was only for 90 days.
[06:23]	DaemonFC	You have to make appointments to go to the DMV now and I don't even want to know what that's all about.
[06:24]	DaemonFC	This whole thing has everyone under some kind of a spell.
[06:24]	DaemonFC	It's very dangerous, unacceptably dangerous, to go to the DMV, but not a restaurant, not the movies, not Walmart. 
[06:25]	DaemonFC	<lukaso666> hi, I'm new here... I'm Linux user since 22 years (Debian lover), FOSS maniac, an anarchist... my interests: linux and BSD, privacy, XMPP, IRC, Tox, tilig WMs, hard science fiction & cyberpunk, philosophy, Siberia, languges (russian, czech, Esperanto - my favs!)
[06:25]	DaemonFC	I think the last window manager I used that primarily operated by tiling was Program Manager.
[06:26]	DaemonFC	Early versions of Windows had one that didn't do stacking.
[06:27]	DaemonFC	They didn't do tiling well, but broadly speaking that's what they did. :/
[06:30]	DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacking_window_manager#/media/File:KDE_frozen.png
[06:30]	TR Bot	 Stacking window manager - Wikipedia
[06:30]	DaemonFC	LOL
[06:30]	DaemonFC	Yes, and Windows XP had this problem as well.
[06:30]	DaemonFC	Oddly, I don't recall this happening on Windows 98.
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[07:45]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Friday, February 04, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[07:45]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[07:45]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[07:45]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[07:45]	immibis	what does DaemonFC think about how left-wing vs right-wing protests are treated by police
[07:47]	schestowitz	hi, lukaso666
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[07:52]	TR News	"they aren't big fans of documenting the code at MICROS~1 (just like Dehomag)" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-040222.html#tFeb%2004%2014:30:08 #ibm #microsoft
[07:52]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, February 04, 2022
[07:52]	TR News	Beyond Mankind: The Awakening Old School Action RPG Is Out Now on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161120 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[07:52]	TR Bot	 Beyond Mankind: The Awakening Old School Action RPG Is Out Now on Linux | Tux Machines
[07:52]	immibis	how is techrights IPFS set up?
[07:52]	TR News	#Meet Una, a Full-Featured MPR (AUR Fork) Helper for Debian and Ubuntu-Based Distros Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161121 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[07:52]	TR Bot	 Meet Una, a Full-Featured MPR (AUR Fork) Helper for Debian and Ubuntu-Based Distros | Tux Machines
[07:53]	TR News	 #IRC Proceedings: Friday, February 04, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/05/irc-log-040222/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/05/irc-log-040222/
[07:53]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Friday, February 04, 2022 | Techrights
[07:54]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: you can see the source code in git
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[07:59]	TR News	Over the next couple of weeks #techrights will cover the #corruption of the #epo on a daily basis
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[08:04]	TR Bot	 Techrights Git (Self-Hosted) | Techrights
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[08:47]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: use a gemini client
[08:47]	schestowitz-TR	that site stopped working
[08:47]	schestowitz-TR	due to tls issues at their end
[08:48]	schestowitz-TR	when we upgraded to debain 11
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[08:56]	TR News	This week in KDE: Discover redesign has begun Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161122 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:56]	TR Bot	 This week in KDE: Discover redesign has begun | Tux Machines
[08:56]	TR News	Cellular IoT gateways come in industrial, security, and transport flavors Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161123 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:56]	TR Bot	 Cellular IoT gateways come in industrial, security, and transport flavors | Tux Machines
[08:57]	TR News	Best #FreeSW Alternatives to SAS/GRAPH Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161124 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:57]	TR Bot	 Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to SAS/GRAPH | Tux Machines
[08:58]	TR News	#Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161125 #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:58]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[09:04]	TR News	 NEWS #ComputerWorld #Programming Beginner's guide to R: Syntax quirks you'll want to know https://www.computerworld.com/article/2497319/business-intelligence-beginner-s-guide-to-r-syntax-quirks-you-ll-want-to-know.html
[09:04]	TR Bot	guide to R: Syntax quirks you'll want to know | Computerworld
[09:05]	TR News	 NEWS #NewYorkTimes #ProprietarySoftware A Change by #Apple Is Tormenting #Internet Companies, Especially Meta https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/technology/apple-privacy-changes-meta.html
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[09:05]	TR Bot	 Meta Says Apples Privacy Changes Could Cost the Company $10 Billion - The New York Times
[09:09]	TR News	 NEWS #NBC #Privacy #Surveillance #Facebook is staring down a 'perfect storm' of challenges that will define its future https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/facebook-stalling-growth-says-social-media-users-freedom-choice-rcna14803
[09:09]	TR Bot	 Facebook is staring down a 'perfect storm' of challenges
[09:09]	TR News	 NEWS #Axios #Privacy #Surveillance #Facebook users drop, while metaverse runs up a tab https://www.axios.com/facebook-users-drop-metaverse-costs-earnings-4c6dfe38-9e59-4c74-9fd9-34bb5400dae7.html "the Facebook social network is now a legacy product for Meta"
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[09:09]	TR Bot	users drop, while metaverse runs up a tab - Axios
[09:10]	TR News	 NEWS #NewYorkTimes #Privacy #Surveillance 6 Reasons Meta Is in Trouble https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/technology/facebook-meta-challenges.html "stock plummeted 26 percent and its market value plunged by more than $230 billion." < ---- FAKE ECONOMY!! BUBBLE!
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[09:10]	TR Bot	 6 Reasons Meta Is in Trouble - The New York Times
[09:11]	immibis	oh for some reason I assumed TR was properly mirrored on IPFS rather than just some chat logs
[09:13]	schestowitz-TR	no, the bulletins are there
[09:13]	schestowitz-TR	tbe bulletins are all daily posts, inc. Daily Links
[09:17]	TR News	 NEWS #TimesHigherEducation #Transparency Library sorry as student #Twitter saga turns out to be tall tale https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/library-sorry-student-twitter-saga-turns-out-be-tall-tale
[09:17]	TR Bot	 Library sorry as student Twitter saga turns out to be tall tale | Times Higher Education (THE)
[09:17]	TR News	 NEWS #NewYorkTimes #Energy Why Is #MattDamon Shilling for [Cryptocurrency]? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/02/magazine/matt-damon-crypto.html
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[09:17]	TR Bot	 Why Is Matt Damon Shilling for Crypto? - The New York Times
[09:17]	TR News	 NEWS #NPR #Wildlife A butterfly conservatory is shutting down due to right-wing harassment https://text.npr.org/1077692533
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[09:17]	TR Bot	 A butterfly conservatory is shutting down due to right-wing harassment
[09:20]	TR News	 NEWS #TheVerge #Politics The cost of ripping and replacing Chinese cellular equipment has ballooned by billions https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/4/22918611/rip-and-replace-hauwei-zte-fcc-cell-network-securty
[09:20]	TR Bot	 The cost of ripping and replacing Chinese cellular equipment has ballooned by billions - The Verge
[09:20]	TR News	 NEWS #IndiaTimes Empty chair for Twitter, which skips #EU #hatespeech meeting, citing #COVID19 https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/social-media/empty-chair-for-twitter-which-skips-eu-hate-speech-meeting-citing-covid/89359596
[09:20]	TR Bot	 twitter: Empty chair for Twitter, which skips EU hate speech meeting, citing COVID, CIO News, ET CIO
[09:20]	TR News	$332
[09:21]	TR News	 NEWS #ITWire #Politics #Facebook faked its market value, as it was just a bubble https://itwire.com/listed-tech/facebook-parent-meta-loses-$332-billion-in-one-day.html same is true for #microsoft and #apple ... they're just lying to buy time
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[09:21]	TR Bot	- Facebook parent Meta loses $332 billion in one day
[09:23]	TR News	 NEWS #TheVerge #Disinformation #Misinformation Episodes of Joe Rogans show are disappearing from #Spotify https://www.theverge.com/22918697/joe-rogan-experience-podcast-episodes-disappear-controversy
[09:23]	TR Bot	 Episodes of Joe Rogans show are disappearing from Spotify - The Verge
[09:24]	TR News	 NEWS #RTL #Disinformation #Misinformation #Spotify boss defends #JoeRogan deal as stock plunges https://today.rtl.lu/news/business-and-tech/a/1857593.html
[09:24]	TR Bot	 RTL Today - Daniel Ek: Spotify boss defends Joe Rogan deal as stock plunges
[09:24]	TR News	 NEWS #Variety #Disinformation #Misinformation About 19% of #Spotify Users Say Theyve Canceled or Plan to Cancel Over #JoeRogan Controversy, Poll Finds. But Will That Exodus Really Happen? https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/spotify-canceled-delete-joe-rogan-controversy-1235172529/
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[09:24]	TR Bot	19% of Spotify Users Cancel Over Joe Rogan or Plan to - Variety
[09:24]	TR News	 NEWS #RollingStone #Disinformation #Misinformation Why Did These #JoeRogan Experience Episodes Get Yanked From #Spotify ? https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/spotify-removes-joe-rogan-experience-podcast-episodes-1295727/
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[09:24]	TR Bot	 Why Did These 'Joe Rogan Experience' Episodes Get Yanked From Spotify? - Rolling Stone
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[09:33]	TR News	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights U.S. Seeks 5-Year Prison Sentence for #Nintendo 'Hacker' #GaryBowser https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-seeks-5-year-prison-sentence-for-nintendo-hacker-gary-bowser-220204/
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[09:33]	TR Bot	Seeks 5-Year Prison Sentence for Nintendo 'Hacker' Gary Bowser * TorrentFreak
[09:33]	TR News	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights European Football Leagues Slam "Notice-and-Stay-Up" Provision in #DSA https://torrentfreak.com/european-football-leagues-slam-notice-and-stay-up-provision-in-dsa-220204/
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[09:33]	TR Bot	Football Leagues Slam "Notice-and-Stay-Up" Provision in DSA * TorrentFreak
[09:35]	TR News	#adblock https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/is-adblock-piracy-is-adblock-illegal:5
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[09:35]	TR Bot	 Is Adblock Piracy? Is Adblock Illegal?
[09:38]	TR News	 NEWS #Variety #Censorship TikTok, Boom. Review: A Documentary Looks at How #TikTok Is Changing the World https://variety.com/2022/film/reviews/tiktok-boom-review-sundance-film-festival-1235172380/
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[09:38]	TR Bot	Boom.' Review: A Look at How TikTok Is Changing the World - Variety
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[09:44]	TR News	 NEWS #EFF #FCC Senate Commerce Committee is Letting Big Telecom Hamstring the FCC https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/02/senate-commerce-committee-letting-industry-hamstring-fcc
[09:44]	TR Bot	 Senate Commerce Committee is Letting Big Telecom Hamstring the FCC | Electronic Frontier Foundation
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[09:58]	TR News	 NEWS #EFF #Monopoly @EFF to Appeals: Apples Monopoly Doesnt Make Users Safer https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/02/eff-appeals-apples-monopoly-doesnt-make-users-safer
[09:58]	TR Bot	 EFF to Appeals: Apples Monopoly Doesnt Make Users Safer | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[09:59]	GNUmoon2	"U.S. Seeks 5-Year Prison Sentence for Nintendo 'Hacker' Gary Bowser * TorrentFreak" .... whilst war-criminals get Nobel "Peace" prizes and others get prez pardons ...
[09:59]	TR News	 NEWS #meduza #ru #russia GulagTube blocks channels belonging to the #Donetsk and #Luhansk peoples republics https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/02/04/youtube-blocks-channels-belonging-to-the-donetsk-and-luhansk-people-s-republics political meddling by Gulag
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[09:59]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
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[10:10]	TR News	 NEWS #CommonDreams #patent #patents #monopolies 'Major Breakthrough': South African Scientists Replicate #Moderna Vaccine https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/04/major-breakthrough-south-african-scientists-replicate-moderna-vaccine
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[10:10]	TR Bot	 'Major Breakthrough': South African Scientists Replicate Moderna Vaccine
[10:11]	TR News	 NEWS #Techdirt #Nintendo Hates You: More #DMCA Takedowns Of #gulagTube Videos Of Game Music Despite No Legit Alternative https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220201/09563748398/nintendo-hates-you-more-dmca-takedowns-youtube-videos-game-music-despite-no-legit-alternative.shtml
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[10:11]	TR Bot	Hates You: More DMCA Takedowns Of YouTube Videos Of Game Music Despite No Legit Alternative | Techdirt
[10:12]	TR News	 NEWS #Techdirt #police Small #Alabama Town's Overzealous Traffic Cops Also Monitored #Internet Traffic To Threaten Critics Of The Corrupt PD https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220129/17005048379/small-alabama-towns-overzealous-traffic-cops-also-monitored-internet-traffic-to-threaten-critics-corrupt-pd.shtml
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[10:12]	TR Bot	Alabama Town's Overzealous Traffic Cops Also Monitored Internet Traffic To Threaten Critics Of The Corrupt PD | Techdirt
[10:21]	TR News	 NEWS #Techdirt #Censorship How The #EARNIT Act Is Significantly More Dangerous Than #FOSTA https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220203/18143448411/how-earn-it-act-is-significantly-more-dangerous-than-fosta.shtml
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[10:21]	TR Bot	The EARN IT Act Is Significantly More Dangerous Than FOSTA | Techdirt
[10:22]	TR News	 NEWS #Techdirt #GilvaSunner #gulagTube Channel Shuts Down Due To Copyright Strikes From Nintendo; Pokemon Releases Music https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220204/08354048414/gilvasunner-youtube-channel-shuts-down-due-to-copyright-strikes-nintendo-pokemon-releases-music.shtml see http://techrights.org/2021/04/30/galleries-self-hosted-videos/ and http://techrights.org/2021/02/24/self-hosting-videos-with-html5/
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[10:22]	TR Bot	YouTube Channel Shuts Down Due To Copyright Strikes From Nintendo; Pokemon Releases Music | Techdirt
[10:22]	TR Bot	 Sticking It to YouTube (Google, Alphabet) by Self-Hosting Videos and Making Galleries | Techrights
[10:22]	TR Bot	 Self-Host Your Videos, Take Full Advantage of HTML5 and Video Attributes | Techrights
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[10:42]	TR News	iophk: many more "news" citing "tweets" in place of official, unfiltered channels of communication
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[11:28]	TR News	[Meme] #EPC Calling Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/05/meme-epc-calling/ #Techrights #EPO #Europe #Corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/05/meme-epc-calling/
[11:28]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPC Calling | Techrights
[11:28]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, "Facebook bans me for three more days for criticizing the Minneapolis Police Department's botched "no-knock warrant"."
[11:29]	DaemonFC	New article coming up.
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[11:38]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/02/05/facebook-bans-me-for-three-more-days-for-criticizing-the-minneapolis-police-departments-botched-no-knock-warrant/
[11:38]	TR Bot	 Facebook bans me for three more days for criticizing the Minneapolis Police Departments botched no-knock warrant. BaronHK's Rants
[11:38]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, ^
[11:39]	DaemonFC	Still might work on it a bit.
[11:40]	TR News	 NEWS #Techdirt Tenth Circuit Tells College Administrator That Ordering A Student To Stop Talking About An Instructor Clearly Violates The First Amendment https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220130/12343548385/tenth-circuit-tells-college-administrator-that-ordering-student-to-stop-talking-about-instructor-clearly-violates-first.shtml
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[11:40]	TR Bot	Circuit Tells College Administrator That Ordering A Student To Stop Talking About An Instructor Clearly Violates The First Amendment | Techdirt
[11:41]	DaemonFC	Still working.
[11:41]	schestowitz	lol you use fb
[11:42]	schestowitz	no first amendment
[11:42]	schestowitz	mark zuckerberg FIRST
[11:42]	schestowitz	political kingmaker
[11:43]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, It gets better
[11:43]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/02/05/facebook-bans-me-for-three-more-days-for-criticizing-the-minneapolis-police-departments-botched-no-knock-warrant/
[11:43]	DaemonFC	"Facebook bans me for three more days for criticizing the Minneapolis Police Departments botched no-knock warrant. Blames COVID-19 for not allowing me to appeal."
[11:44]	TR News	Hopefully more people will #deletefacebook under "META" (fake name, PR, distraction from scandals) will reach its true market value: zero or less https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/02/05/facebook-bans-me-for-three-more-days-for-criticizing-the-minneapolis-police-departments-botched-no-knock-warrant/
[11:45]	DaemonFC	"But back to Facebook.... Someone reported my post criticizing the police, and the "AI" moderation at Facebook, which usually says that terrorism and child pornography are "fine" and "we know this isn't the outcome you wanted", banned my account."
[11:45]	DaemonFC	"Previously, Facebook banned me for three days for insulting the Taliban."
[11:45]	TR News	"Congress is trying to overload anyone who supports an open internet with terrible bill after terrible bill. Last week, they brought out the "COMPETES Act" (renamed from Endless Frontiers which had already been renamed as "USICA" and then became COMPETES)" https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220204/14101348417/house-votes-competes-act-even-with-problems-almost-entirely-party-lines.shtml
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[11:45]	TR Bot	Votes For COMPETES Act, Even With Its Problems, Almost Entirely On Party Lines | Techdirt
[11:46]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: can you read my draft also?
[11:46]	schestowitz-TR	3 mins for vieo to end upload
[11:46]	schestowitz-TR	*video
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[11:48]	DaemonFC	Yeah.
[11:49]	TR News	 NEWS #Techdirt #Privacy Effort Underway To Have #Chile Add Access To Knowledge, Digital Sovereignty, And Privacy To Chilean Constitution https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220130/16372248388/effort-underway-to-have-chile-add-access-to-knowledge-digital-sovereignty-privacy-to-chilean-constitution.shtml
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[11:49]	TR Bot	Underway To Have Chile Add Access To Knowledge, Digital Sovereignty, And Privacy To Chilean Constitution | Techdirt
[11:49]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks. http://techrights.org/2022/02/05/rendering-epo-illegal/
[11:49]	TR Bot	 Abandoning the EPC in Order to Promote Corporations-Led EPO With Kangaroo Courts (UPC) is Simply Illegal | Techrights
[11:51]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Still working on it.
[11:52]	DaemonFC	"Previously, it was revealed that thousands of people just like Trump had an exception from Facebook's rules. They allow the most powerful people on the planet to say whatever they want. To encourage political violence and to air grievance politics that play to racists and xenophobes, but they will ban you for suggesting that the police act like, well, the police."
[11:56]	DaemonFC	"Has the EPO become a private, for-profit enterprise."
[11:56]	DaemonFC	That's a question.
[11:56]	DaemonFC	Looks okay.
[11:57]	DaemonFC	Other than that.
[11:58]	DaemonFC	Still working on mine.
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[12:01]	DaemonFC	"And as a sidebar, its always the most morally hideous people in this country who say Im not against immigration. I just think it should be done the legal way. and then they vote for people like Donald Trump and he goes zoink zoink zoink.Now there is no legal way and then his supporters go, Well, they were all trash people anyway. with their KKK masks fully donned."
[12:02]	schestowitz-TR	FB is a waste of effort
[12:03]	schestowitz-TR	fwiw, rodpress.com is also censoring
[12:03]	schestowitz-TR	**word
[12:04]	TR News	Abandoning the #EPC in Order to Promote Corporations-Led #EPO With #KangarooCourts (UPC) is Simply Illegal Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/05/rendering-epo-illegal/ #Techrights #UPC | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/05/rendering-epo-illegal/
[12:05]	DaemonFC	This country is a disaster area. And most of the fires that are raging are ones that Trump set deliberately on his way out of office, either to try to win the election at a horrible cost later (inflation, national humiliation, millions of dead from COVID) or to sabotage Joe Biden.
[12:06]	DaemonFC	Not a horrible cost to him, he'd be fine no matter what. The kleptocracy/kakistocracy always is fine.
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[12:14]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161126 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[12:14]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[12:15]	TR News	 NEWS #PIA Gulags #Surveillance #Advertising Model under Attack on Both Sides of the Atlantic for Its Deep Privacy Problems https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/googles-surveillance-advertising-model-under-attack-on-both-sides-of-the-atlantic-for-its-deep-privacy-problems/
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[12:15]	TR Bot	 Googles Surveillance Advertising Model under Attack on Both Sides of the Atlantic for Its Deep Privacy Problems
[12:18]	TR News	"the whole point of endless scrolling is to make you addicted" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-040222.html#tFeb%2004%2020:11:02
[12:18]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, February 04, 2022
[12:18]	TR News	#defectivebydesign #drm https://www.defectivebydesign.org/drm-free
[12:18]	TR Bot	 About the DRM-free label | Defective by Design
[12:19]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I filed an appeal to the Facebook Oversight Board.
[12:19]	DaemonFC	For what's it's worth.
[12:19]	TR News	"The best part of having zero fucks to give about mainstream acceptance isnt the non-existent fame/fortune/basic financial stability its the zero fucks to give bit." https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/107733975412163412
[12:19]	TR Bot	 ar.al: "The best part of having zero fucks to give about " - Arals Mastodon
[12:20]	DaemonFC	I basically said it was either some dumb "AI" program that banned me or a really dumb person who could have read that and interpreted it as a call to violence.
[12:20]	TR News	"We filed a case against @google/@YouTube in January 2019 with the Austrian DSB, they sent it to @DPCIreland as Google (unlawfully) "forum shopped" Ireland. " https://mastodon.social/@noybeu/107734666359336776 do #microsoft #epo next http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/
[12:20]	TR Bot	 noyb.eu: "RT @maxschrems We filed a case against @google/@Y" - Mastodon
[12:20]	TR Bot	 EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights
[12:21]	TR News	Plutocrats-owned media: we are publishing lies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-04/statement-on-publishing-error
[12:21]	TR Bot	- Are you a robot?
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[12:25]	TR News	There's growing realisation that the #EPC has long been abandoned, rendering the legitimacy of the EPO's present operations (or management style) dubious to say the least Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/05/meme-epc-calling/ #Techrights #EPO #Europe | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/05/meme-epc-calling/
[12:25]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPC Calling | Techrights
[12:26]	TR News	The #EPO has gone off the rails and nobody wants to stop that train, certainly not the member states (MSs) which enabled the abolition of the European #Patent Convention (EPC) Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/05/rendering-epo-illegal/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/05/rendering-epo-illegal/
[12:26]	TR Bot	 Abandoning the EPC in Order to Promote Corporations-Led EPO With Kangaroo Courts (UPC) is Simply Illegal | Techrights
[12:27]	schestowitz	microLarabel https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-DXGKRNL-v2
[12:27]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-DXGKRNL-v2
[12:27]	TR Bot	Posts Updated "DXGKRNL" Linux Kernel Driver For WSL/WSA - Phoronix
[12:28]	schestowitz	yay! WSL
[12:28]	schestowitz	Phoronix with its Microsoft section
[12:29]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: twitter did the same
[12:30]	schestowitz	using holidays or covid to gaslight
[12:30]	schestowitz	and not handle appeals
[12:30]	schestowitz	appeals need manpower
[12:30]	schestowitz	and they're all about cost-savings
[12:30]	schestowitz	for their shareholders
[12:30]	DaemonFC	Suggesting that the police use drop guns and the guy probably wasn't even armed gets you a ban.
[12:30]	DaemonFC	:)
[12:31]	DaemonFC	Criminals who have any level of intelligence at all get rid of a gun after it has been used in a murder or serious crime.
[12:32]	DaemonFC	The last thing you want to be caught with is a weapon that was used to kill someone, so from the perspective of a criminal, a gun is disposable. It's a cost of doing business.
[12:32]	TR News	#phoronix pushing #microsoft #wsl crap today... i.e. an ATTACK on #gnu #linux ... the site has lost its way completely http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
[12:32]	TR Bot	 When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
[12:33]	DaemonFC	The first thing the police do when they catch you unlawfully carrying a firearm and arrest you is send it down to the state police for ballistics testing.
[12:33]	DaemonFC	They basically pop off a few rounds and look at the marks it left on the bullets as they were fired.
[12:33]	DaemonFC	Then they compare that will bullets and casings that they recovered at murder scenes.
[12:34]	DaemonFC	So while they have you in holding on Unlawful Weapons Use, which is 1-3 years, but you might plead down to a misdemeanor, they're definitely checking to see if they took a murder weapon off of you.
[12:34]	DaemonFC	And if they did, you're in a whole heap of trouble.
[12:34]	DaemonFC	So it's much better to just wipe it down and toss it in a river somewhere when you're through with it.
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[12:36]	DaemonFC	Dumb criminals keep murder weapons. Very dumb criminals murder multiple people with the same one.
[12:38]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/04/peloton-stock-jumps-20percent-on-report-amazon-is-among-potential-buyers.html
[12:38]	TR Bot	 Peloton stock surges on report Amazon is among potential buyers
[12:38]	DaemonFC	With the economy on life support, a company that puts a tablet on an expensive stationary bicycle soars on RUMORS that Amazon will buy it.
[12:39]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/04/though-rare-moderna-covid-vaccine-recipients-have-higher-risk-of-heart-inflammation-than-pfizer.html
[12:39]	TR Bot	 Though rare, Moderna Covid vaccine recipients have higher risk of heart inflammation than Pfizer
[12:40]	DaemonFC	CDC admits that myocarditis is a much more serious problem with the Moderna COVID vaccine than the Pfizer, but the FDA still approved it yesterday and they both continue downplaying the risks.
[12:41]	DaemonFC	"Public health authorities in Ontario, Canada found that the rate of myocarditis was five times higher for males ages 18-24 following the second dose of Modernas vaccine than Pfizers."
[12:41]	DaemonFC	"The survey found that 81% of their patients who developed myocarditis after vaccination completely or probably recovered within 37 weeks after their diagnosis. Another 15% had improved, while 1% had not gotten better."
[12:41]	DaemonFC	That sounds pretty bullshit.
[12:41]	DaemonFC	"They PROBABLY recovered. Go ahead, it's safe.....enough."
[12:42]	XRevan86	lukaso666: hi, long time no see :)
[12:43]	schestowitz-TR	"Though rare"
[12:43]	schestowitz-TR	cnbc
[12:44]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, off topic here
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[12:44]	DaemonFC	Like, why would anyone take the Moderna shot?
[12:44]	lukaso666	XRevan86, , dude ;)
[12:44]	DaemonFC	None of what I've seen suggest it's more effective, but it seriously sickens most of the people who get it.
[12:45]	DaemonFC	Including projectile vomiting, according to several people who told me that's what happened to them the morning after.
[12:45]	XRevan86	lukaso666: Saluton
[12:45]	lukaso666	sal sal :)
[12:46]	lukaso666	I found this network via gemini
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[12:46]	lukaso666	soooo many informations :D
[12:47]	schestowitz-TR	oh, we have good stuff coming soon
[12:47]	schestowitz-TR	we are beta-testing it today
[12:47]	schestowitz-TR	it's a web portal for our capsule
[12:47]	schestowitz-TR	that we self-host
[12:47]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, You can tell a ban from Facebook is bullshit when it is a 2-3 day ban.
[12:47]	DaemonFC	They dole out bans that are shorter than the appeal, so even if you win the appeal it doesn't matter because the punishment has been carried out.
[12:48]	DaemonFC	A lot like the "right to a speedy trial" in America, where you wait 8 months in jail to be sentenced to 30 days.
[12:48]	XRevan86	lukaso666: I found it through Diaspora* a while back.
[12:48]	DaemonFC	The Supreme Court effectively left the right to a speedy trial as dead language.
[12:49]	TR News	 NEWS #RobertReich The Fed is About to Shaft American Workers For No Good Reason https://robertreich.org/post/675282257789992960
[12:49]	TR Bot	 Robert Reich (The Fed is About to Shaft American Workers -- For...)
[12:49]	DaemonFC	Because it lets the state determine that to mean whatever it wants to.
[12:49]	DaemonFC	That guy that was out robbing gas stations the other day is a perfect example.
[12:49]	lukaso666	XRevan86, cool ;)
[12:49]	DaemonFC	Out on bail on 5 attempted murders from March 2020.
[12:49]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: yes, I noted in December that Twitter does the same
[12:49]	DaemonFC	If they gave him a speedy trial, he would have been in prison already for some time now.
[12:49]	schestowitz-TR	they don't process appeals
[12:49]	schestowitz-TR	and if they do, it's too late
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[12:49]	lukaso666	I'll be back in few hours
[12:50]	schestowitz-TR	0/
[12:50]	DaemonFC	Prosecutors and judges are in cahoots in many cases to set bail so ridiculously high for misdemeanors that you go ahead and confess so you can get sentenced already.
[12:51]	DaemonFC	Because you'll spend longer in jail than the possible sentence.
[12:51]	DaemonFC	I don't think there should be bail for most misdemeanors. Only felonies.
[12:51]	DaemonFC	I think for most misdemeanors, they should let people out on a promise to appear unless they have a record of not showing up for court or something.
[12:52]	TR News	 NEWS #CommonDreams #Privacy #Surveillance Opinion | Senators Have Re-Introduced the Highly Unpopular #EARNIT Bill That Would Scan All Online Messages https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/02/04/senators-have-re-introduced-highly-unpopular-earn-it-bill-would-scan-all-online
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[12:52]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Senators Have Re-Introduced the Highly Unpopular EARN IT Bill That Would Scan All Online Messages | Joe Mullin
[12:52]	DaemonFC	It costs taxpayers a lot of money to essentially warehouse people, and then a lot more when they get out and have no job and are homeless.
[12:53]	DaemonFC	That's how the state works though. "Not their problem." The functionaries that terrorize the public will be able to go home and feed their children tonight, and that's all that matters to them.
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[12:53]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> and if they do, it's too late
[12:54]	DaemonFC	What happens is that lots of people you piss off report everything you post until they get a hit.
[12:54]	DaemonFC	Probably some loser like Mr. Goolag.
[12:55]	DaemonFC	Also, obviously someone in Germany who thinks that they can nail you every time you talk about IBM assisting the Nazis.
[12:55]	TR News	 NEWS #CounterPunch #Spotify Neil Young's Stand Against #Misinformation on Spotify Draws Curious Responses https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/02/04/neil-youngs-stand-against-misinformation-on-spotify-draws-curious-responses/
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[12:55]	TR Bot	Young's Stand Against Misinformation on Spotify Draws Curious Responses - CounterPunch.org
[12:55]	DaemonFC	Who could that be?
[12:55]	DaemonFC	Mr. Gulag and Mr. Guten Tag?
[12:56]	TR News	"I dont know of any journalist or popular commentator who has made a sensible case in support of Spotifys unfair artist compensation practices." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/02/04/neil-youngs-stand-against-misinformation-on-spotify-draws-curious-responses/ #journalism dead already?
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[12:57]	DaemonFC	Hans and Franz?
[12:57]	DaemonFC	Oh God, not Neil Young again.
[12:58]	DaemonFC	He's hoping that he can draw attention to himself with this.
[12:58]	DaemonFC	Literally nobody under 60 even noticed his music disappearing off of spotify. All three spotify users over 60 probably didn't either.
[12:59]	DaemonFC	Spotify is just dumb anyway.
[12:59]	DaemonFC	Almost the entire value of the music industry is their back catalog. Things leftover from when not everything they produced sounded like utter shit.
[12:59]	DaemonFC	Which happened sometime around 2005 or so.
● Feb 05
[13:00]	DaemonFC	Most of the stuff they produced from the 1960s through about 2000 was pretty good, sometimes incredibly good.
[13:00]	DaemonFC	And then it took a nose dive.
[13:00]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[13:00]	schestowitz-TR	I heard multiple explanations
[13:00]	DaemonFC	There was about 40-50 years there that were a golden age.
[13:00]	schestowitz-TR	nd nowadays I rarely listen to English music
[13:00]	schestowitz-TR	one explanation is,
[13:00]	schestowitz-TR	the cheapness
[13:01]	DaemonFC	It's terrible. It's not even English.
[13:01]	schestowitz-TR	because it's risky to invest a lot in actual musicians and instruments
[13:01]	DaemonFC	When you can make it out, it's someone singing about her pusy.
[13:01]	DaemonFC	*pussy
[13:01]	DaemonFC	(Cardi B)
[13:01]	schestowitz-TR	in the studios/... oboes and stuff 
[13:01]	schestowitz-TR	so they "digitalise" it
[13:01]	schestowitz-TR	then second is, copyrioght law
[13:01]	DaemonFC	People today are fucking slobs, and the whole "culture" reflects that.
[13:01]	schestowitz-TR	they keep tracks very simple
[13:01]	schestowitz-TR	to avert lawsuits over "copycats"
[13:01]	schestowitz-TR	(inspiration)
[13:01]	DaemonFC	Which is how "Wet Ass Pussy" rises to the top, and you're racist if you don't like it.
[13:02]	schestowitz-TR	so they by design make worse music
[13:02]	DaemonFC	"Need You Now" by Lady Antebellum sparked a lawsuit.
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[13:03]	DaemonFC	Alan Parsons accused it of essentially sampling Eye in the Sky.
[13:03]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> so they by design make worse music
[13:04]	schestowitz-TR	you mention urban or rap music
[13:04]	DaemonFC	Nobody trying anything original is part of the problem.
[13:04]	schestowitz-TR	there's the thing about that too,
[13:04]	schestowitz-TR	rap too got worse
[13:04]	schestowitz-TR	they just play samples in a loop
[13:04]	DaemonFC	But lots of low IQ people buggering the English language is a big problem.
[13:04]	schestowitz-TR	ajnd talk trash
[13:04]	schestowitz-TR	it was not always this bad
[13:04]	schestowitz-TR	but it is "economic"
[13:04]	DaemonFC	It's not English. I mean, in the 90s even white people listened to rap all the time.
[13:04]	DaemonFC	Because it was intelligible. It had words.
[13:05]	DaemonFC	Eminem started doing rap, it had words.
[13:05]	DaemonFC	Eminem isn't doing "black music" anymore because it has words.
[13:05]	schestowitz-TR	some of the 2pac stuff was very good
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[13:05]	schestowitz-TR	(still is)
[13:06]	schestowitz-TR	with storytelling also
[13:06]	gene	eh, modern music sucks, classical or bust D:
[13:06]	schestowitz-TR	another factor
[13:06]	DaemonFC	Well, what I can't stand is all of these people that are millionaires now rapping about being poor and getting shot a lifetime ago.
[13:06]	schestowitz-TR	third one
[13:07]	gene	picking best music from the past 20000 years vs picking top songs from last month
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	aside from copyright risk and investment risk (RoI)
[13:07]	DaemonFC	Like 50 Cent, so cheap that the guy has millions now and he won't even go back and pay the doctor who dug bullets out of him.
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	in the past you sols ALBUMs
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	and charged also for lesser tracks
[13:07]	DaemonFC	Continues stiffing the guy when he wouldn't even notice it if he paid his bill.
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	now we have "mini albums" and singles
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	because the meanms of distribution changed 
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	and some artists get paid pennies on a single track
[13:08]	gene	oh, i got a good infographic on the music stuff
[13:08]	gene	but the music industry as a whole is a sham; it's all silliness
[13:08]	DaemonFC	If a doctor was digging bullets out of me and the only reason I was alive was because of that, and then $10 million landed on me, I'd certainly go back and pay him.
[13:08]	DaemonFC	Even if it was 20-30 years later.
[13:08]	DaemonFC	It's the right thing to do, you have all this money you can't even spend now.
[13:08]	schestowitz-TR	gene: it's all "RoI"
[13:08]	DaemonFC	The guy saved your life...
[13:08]	gene	so, you went back to childhood and personally thanked all those teachers who had a positive impact on your life DaemonFC?
[13:08]	schestowitz-TR	studio, drum machine, computer pgoram, some shalow lyrics you cannopt make sense of,
[13:09]	schestowitz-TR	"l;ove you love, blah blah, missing you"
[13:09]	schestowitz-TR	and then maybe find some people to press "buy" with DRM
[13:09]	DaemonFC	Most of those teachers just wanted me out of their classroom quickly.
[13:09]	schestowitz-TR	so they never even buy but rent
[13:09]	gene	i can see why
[13:09]	DaemonFC	Well yeah. They want an easy job.
[13:10]	DaemonFC	I mean, how hard is it to show up and teach like, 5th grade math, with a union paycheck and a fat pension baking in the background?
[13:10]	gene	schestowitz; technically we never "own" the music... ownership implies redistribution rights and whatnot
[13:10]	DaemonFC	Sure in 20 years there won't be a state left, but that's another issue entirely.
[13:10]	gene	even when we buy the physical medium :(
[13:10]	gene	20 years? no state? really? lol
[13:11]	DaemonFC	Indiana went back and screwed those teachers.
[13:11]	DaemonFC	They cut the pension years after they earned it.
[13:11]	gene	do you realize how hard it is to control 30 kids?
[13:11]	DaemonFC	And then said the budget was balanced.
[13:11]	TR News	What jobs? Almost half your adult population is out of work (as inflation moreover soars). Don't help the #donaldBiden admin fake the economy... https://truthout.org/articles/january-sees-strong-job-growth-as-omicron-leads-to-cuts-in-hours-not-jobs/
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[13:11]	TR Bot	 January Sees Strong Job Growth as Omicron Leads to Cuts in Hours, Not Jobs
[13:11]	gene	30x 5th grade kids mind you -- could you manage it?
[13:11]	gene	every single day, for 30+ years
[13:11]	gene	iirc, my state's pension system was 35 years of service for full pension
[13:12]	DaemonFC	If all I had to do was call the school "resource officer" to arrest them every time someone farted, sure.
[13:12]	DaemonFC	That's about what Shitcago Public Schools is.
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[13:12]	gene	personally, i'm not fond of having police in schools
[13:12]	gene	i think its stupidity
[13:12]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs__: gm
[13:13]	bnchs__	wait the connection is working?
[13:13]	DaemonFC	We had one float officer in the schools in that Indiana town.
[13:13]	bnchs__	also good morning
[13:13]	DaemonFC	Officer Eckstein
[13:13]	gene	we had a DARE officer when i was a kid
[13:13]	DaemonFC	He made police chief, but lost it when he cheated on his wife with the high school principal in his patrol car.
[13:13]	DaemonFC	But that happened because his wife was the mayor's daughter. :)
[13:14]	gene	heh
[13:14]	DaemonFC	So he didn't get fired, but he got busted back down pretty hard.
[13:14]	gene	mayor does kinda get to pick who gets the job
[13:14]	gene	dude still did a job
[13:14]	gene	hard to do the job tbh
[13:15]	TR News	 NEWS #CommonDreams #Schools #Education Economists Say Raise Pay to Solve Public #School Staffing Crisis https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/04/economists-say-raise-pay-solve-public-school-staffing-crisis
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[13:15]	TR Bot	 Economists Say Raise Pay to Solve Public School Staffing Crisis
[13:15]	DaemonFC	Last I heard, it was Officer Leech who was the police chief. They did that for him because he got injured really badly directing traffic and they couldn't have him doing patrols anymore.
[13:15]	gene	ah, the dilbert method
[13:15]	TR News	 NEWS #CommonDreams #Biden Biden Education Dept. Reverses on #Student #Debt Case After Reporting Stirred Outrage https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/04/biden-education-dept-reverses-student-debt-case-after-reporting-stirred-outrage
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[13:15]	TR Bot	 Biden Education Dept. Reverses on Student Debt Case After Reporting Stirred Outrage
[13:15]	gene	can't do the job, so promote them
[13:16]	gene	tbf, ADA and anti-discrimination + being hurt in the workplace and whatnot
[13:16]	DaemonFC	It's a small town. Only about 6,000 people.
[13:16]	gene	i mean, its not like they could just fire him; i'd be willing to bet he was alright management
[13:16]	DaemonFC	I lived there for almost twenty years and there were 3 murders in 20 years.
[13:16]	gene	that's a lot of murders in a town of 6000 >.>
[13:16]	DaemonFC	One was a drug dealer who got chased technically into city limits, shot, and thrown off a bridge, who was from Marion.
[13:17]	DaemonFC	And then two were the parents of a schizophrenic man who they forced out of their house.
[13:17]	gene	we've had ~2 murders in the last 50 years or so; 1 was an old lady who was killed for family money; another was stabbed at a hotel [i guess?]
[13:17]	DaemonFC	So he came back in with a knife and stabbed both of them to death.
[13:17]	gene	but we're a "city" of 8000
[13:17]	gene	they were stabbed like 30+ times iirc
[13:17]	DaemonFC	I heard that his mom made it to the phone and called 911 and was screaming while she was being stabbed.
[13:18]	DaemonFC	She was telling the dispatcher that the guy was stabbing her husband and then while she was doing that, he came and killed her while she was on the phone.
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[13:18]	TR Bot	 Another Banner Year for the Military-Industrial Complex | The Nation
[13:18]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[13:18]	DaemonFC	If she had a gun, she could have shot him and perhaps both of them would be alive, or at least her.
[13:19]	DaemonFC	So one was drug related and spillover from the bigger city next door, and two were some psycho killing his parents.
[13:19]	gene	if she had a gun, he'd probably have a gun
[13:19]	gene	imagine if he grabbed the gun instead of a knife D:
[13:19]	schestowitz-TR	this "everyone get a gun" mentality is BS
[13:20]	gene	it leads to a lot more sheep holding weapons they don't really need
[13:20]	DaemonFC	The next town I lived in had two murders between 2000 and now.
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR	you just arm people to the teeth
[13:20]	DaemonFC	One was a DEA agent they tied to the bed and lit on fire.
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR	so they can kill more people more efficiently
[13:20]	DaemonFC	And the other was a guy who went into a convenience store and stabbed someone.
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR	with a knife it's difficult to kill several people simultaneously
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR	even with a sword
[13:20]	DaemonFC	Even though everyone in the town has a gun, no murders involving a gun.
[13:20]	DaemonFC	And only one murder about every decade.
[13:21]	DaemonFC	99% white. The gun is to enforce politeness.
[13:21]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, we've strayede off topic
[13:21]	schestowitz-TR	back to tech now
[13:21]	schestowitz-TR	carry on in another channel
[13:21]	DaemonFC	You will politely stay out of my house and politely keep your hands off my television.
[13:21]	DaemonFC	Or else.... :)
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[13:22]	DaemonFC	And so everyone knows what happens if you break in, and so it doesn't happen.
[13:22]	DaemonFC	You can keep your doors unlocked in most of Indiana.
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[13:22]	TR Bot	 We Need a 92 Percent Tax on Pandemic Profiteers | The Nation
[13:22]	DaemonFC	Here in this Illinois city, there was a home invasion a few months ago.
[13:23]	DaemonFC	Burglars, three of them, thought "pregnant woman.....easy".
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[13:23]	DaemonFC	So they break in, and it turned out that there was a tenant with a FOID card and an AR-15 renting the basement.
[13:23]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: anothyer channel -->
[13:23]	DaemonFC	He killed all of them, and the police just checked to see if he had a FOID card, and when he did, they hauled the three bodies out and said have a nice day.
[13:23]	DaemonFC	How it should be.
[13:23]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: I will start muting
[13:24]	schestowitz-TR	if you carry on putting racist tropes in #techrights
[13:25]	DaemonFC	If he didn't have a FOID card or the gun, the home invaders would have at least made off with everything they cared to, and possibly have paused to rape the woman living there (who they thought was alone). Didn't work so well for them.
[13:25]	DaemonFC	And the cops are just an hour away!
[13:26]	DaemonFC	Like Cartman said in South Park. "Hurry up, the guy's raping my mom and probably has time to smoke a cigarette!"
[13:26]	DaemonFC	If you depend on the police, that's what happens.
[13:26]		*schestowitz gives channel operator status to schestowitz
[13:27]		*schestowitz gives channel operator status to schestowitz-TR
[13:28]	DaemonFC	<gene> it leads to a lot more sheep holding weapons they don't really need
[13:28]	DaemonFC	They shouldn't need them. But that's kind of where we're at.
[13:28]	DaemonFC	Police malfeasance and incompetence and corruption leaves you on your own.
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[13:28]	DaemonFC	And how difficult that is for you depends on the politicians your neighbors voted into office.
[13:29]	gene	police gangs are heavily overfunded; but luckily, my city has more accountability than larger cities
[13:29]	gene	NYPD and LAPD are probably the largest gangs in US; Chicago PD compete against Columbus PD and whatnot
[13:29]	gene	Columbus PD is really good at kidding unarmed folks randomly
[13:30]	DaemonFC	The cops in Chicago only seem to deal with crime when it's affecting a business.
[13:30]	gene	Chicago PD is more likely to just lock you up with fake evidence instead
[13:30]	DaemonFC	Like, if there's some guy screaming at people down at the McDonalds, they'll come take care of it.
[13:30]	TR News	"fighting to unionize Amazon." https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/maida-springer-kemp-labor/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Amazon
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[13:30]	TR Bot	 Maida Springer Kemp Championed Workers Rights on a Global Scale | The Nation
[13:30]	TR Bot	 Amazon - Techrights
[13:30]	DaemonFC	But carjackings, home invasions? You're on your own. God help you. "Gun free city!" Only 12,800 shootings per year. :)
[13:31]	gene	police response time in my community is the same regardless of business or residential
[13:31]	gene	I don't think cities are a good place; i think theres a lot of stress; people cause stress
[13:31]	DaemonFC	CPD average response time in South Shore, Chicago is 2 hours and 38 minutes.
[13:31]	DaemonFC	If you live in a GOOD neighborhood, it's usually 40 minutes or so.
[13:32]	DaemonFC	So, you're dead 50 times over or dead 150 times over, doesn't really help you does it?
[13:32]	gene	as you increase population density, increase barriers to equitable outcomes [school funding systems creating effective segregation], problems occur in society
[13:32]	DaemonFC	People aren't meant to live like that.
[13:32]	gene	in my city, where 30% of the local taxes [1%] goes towards fire and police, it's about 3 min response time from either service
[13:32]	schestowitz	psydroid8: two in one 
[13:32]	schestowitz	      <li>
[13:33]	schestowitz	        <h5><a href="https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/02/04/dispatch-from-belize/">Dispatch from Belize</a></h5>
[13:33]	TR Bot	from Belize - CounterPunch.org
[13:33]	schestowitz	        <blockquote>
[13:33]	schestowitz	          <p>Meanwhile Belize provides no escape from the news cycle. As investigation into the roots of the Big Lie of a rigged U.S. presidential election deepens, a completely different Big Lie continues to muddle global superpower conflicts: the Lie that enough military force can ensure security.</p>
[13:33]	schestowitz	          <p>The nuclear superpowers, confronted with how to respond to each other at points of tension like Ukraine and Taiwan, are certain that readiness for mass nuclear murder will deter rivals and help them get their way.</p></blockquote></li>
[13:33]	schestowitz	oops
[13:33]	schestowitz	wrong paSTE
[13:33]	schestowitz	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Shadow-Stacks-Linux-AMD
[13:33]	DaemonFC	It's an affront to how people are supposed to live, so I don't know how big city crime can be shocking to anyone? It's also bad for health in general.
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[13:33]	TR Bot	Linux Shadow Stack Patches Should Work Fine With AMD CPUs - Phoronix
[13:33]	DaemonFC	Pollution, stress, etc.
[13:33]	schestowitz	INTEL+AMD
[13:33]	schestowitz	PHORONIx86
[13:33]	gene	i mean, breathing in cow shit every year also aint natural
[13:33]	DaemonFC	Commuting and cubicle farms are an affront to nature.
[13:33]	DaemonFC	I think Roy mentioned something like this.
[13:34]	gene	the over fertilization that leads to water changing taste
[13:34]	gene	annually*
[13:34]	DaemonFC	The Democrats are shitting themselves over remote work.
[13:34]	gene	erm?
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[13:34]	TR Bot	Comes Of Age | Hackaday
[13:34]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[13:34]	DaemonFC	They are. Without remote work, you have to live in their crime-plagued cities, driving up rents to the point of insanity, propping up welfare programs for their voters.
[13:34]	gene	didn't biden just post the most gobs growth records since like 1970s or some shit?
[13:35]	DaemonFC	When you do remote work, you can go live somewhere where they won't shoot you for your shoelaces and you don't need to get stuck in traffic two hours a day.
[13:35]	gene	cause "mah gobs"
[13:35]	gene	i mean, there's counties in the US where you'll be shot for tying your shoelace... if you have the wrong skin color
[13:35]	gene	"your kind don't belong here"... a ctually FUN STORY FROM ME NOW!
[13:35]	DaemonFC	That's a myth.
[13:36]	DaemonFC	The people who get shot are carrying out a robbery or are scoping the place to be robbed.
[13:36]	gene	in a county over; there was the chief of police in a room with a couple water treatment workers...
[13:36]	schestowitz	[13:34] <DaemonFC> The Democrats are shitting themselves over remote work.
[13:36]	schestowitz	"Remote work" is
[13:36]	DaemonFC	Then when that happens, they just had skittles and iced tea.
[13:36]	schestowitz	1) misnomer
[13:36]	schestowitz	home is not remote, it's home
[13:36]	gene	one water treatment worker was talking about race and mentioned we should just "shoot all them n-words" - one water treatment worker didn't like that and reported it
[13:36]	schestowitz	2) not done to pamper staff, it's REQUIRED to KEEP BUSINESS MAKING MONEY
[13:36]	gene	administrative investigation triggered; the chief of police *LIED* about it
[13:37]	schestowitz	3) harms the office estate tycoons and stakeholders, who control a big chuck of the political system
[13:37]	schestowitz	(so this will be temporary only)
[13:37]	gene	the mayor tried to suspend the chief of police for lying during an administrative investigation for 30 days; council was like "nah, he shouldn't be punished", they went into executive session and said "we gonna vote you out if you don't resign"
[13:37]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Real estate scams.
[13:37]	gene	because the mayor did suspend them the chief of police for 3 days >.>
[13:37]	DaemonFC	Gotta keep the bubble going.
[13:37]	schestowitz	4) managers and other non-productive people demand an office space where they can ego-trip
[13:37]	DaemonFC	Millions homeless. Insane office rents.
[13:38]	gene	i kinda feel bad for the mayor, but what can i do? i could probably try to inform the citizens
[13:38]	gene	the vast majority of the electorate are low information voters
[13:38]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz> 4) managers and other non-productive people demand an office space where they can ego-trip
[13:38]	DaemonFC	I had a boss that was like a mixture of Bill Lumbergh from Office Space and Walter White's boss at the car wash from Breaking Bad.
[13:39]	DaemonFC	Eyebrows of doom, suspenders, and a cup of coffee in his hand all the time.
[13:39]	schestowitz	for a year we had a lousy managers who tried to abuse home workers too
[13:39]	schestowitz	I complained
[13:39]	schestowitz	and they sacked her
[13:39]	DaemonFC	It's hard to take those people seriously.
[13:39]	schestowitz	I called her "Sarin gas"
[13:40]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, The banality of evil.
[13:40]	gene	so, how long until musk uses his starlink network as orbital bombardment?
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[13:40]	gene	or do you think he'll just fully teleoperate his remotely controlled cars with that network instead; make their cybertrucks and semis into high tech battering rams
[13:40]	schestowitz	maybe that's why he gets susidies
[13:41]	schestowitz	the pentagon spinning off strategic projects
[13:41]	schestowitz	as private companies
[13:41]	schestowitz	very common in the surveillance silo
[13:41]	gene	oh, he totally gets tons of military funding
[13:41]	DaemonFC	I wonder when he'll crash one of the satellites into that Chinese space station finally.
[13:41]	DaemonFC	They're the ones that put it into a matching orbit with Starlink satellites.
[13:41]	DaemonFC	I don't think the ISS has ever had a close call.
[13:42]	gene	uhhh didn't a piece of space debris literally poke a hole in it the other month?
[13:42]	schestowitz	space debris is a bigger issue
[13:42]	DaemonFC	That's a different issue.
[13:42]	DaemonFC	That's hard to track. Satellites aren't.
[13:42]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_debris
[13:42]	TR Bot	 Kessler syndrome - Wikipedia
[13:42]	TR Bot	 Space debris - Wikipedia
[13:42]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: that's why it's worse
[13:42]	schestowitz	there's no tracking
[13:43]	schestowitz	and nobody cleans those up
[13:43]	gene	i feel as though starlink is a net negative to societyas a whole and we should run fiber to people's homes... if you have electricity, you should have fiber
[13:43]	DaemonFC	In 2007 and 2008, China and the US demonstrated that they could both shoot down satellites.
[13:43]	DaemonFC	And the debris from both was in orbit for years.
[13:43]	schestowitz	gene: we should send drones with water bottles on them,
[13:43]	schestowitz	who needs water pipes anyway?
[13:44]	gene	i mean, ironically hydrogen powered drones do technically have some components of water on them
[13:44]	DaemonFC	Amazon water delivery.
[13:44]	DaemonFC	Who needs pipes?
[13:44]	gene	partnered with Nestle*
[13:44]	schestowitz	Bezos Premium Water(TM)
[13:44]	DaemonFC	Water from pipes is for GHETTO PEOPLE. -MARISOL
[13:44]	gene	gotta include the evil multinational slave owning overlords
[13:44]	schestowitz	estimated arrival: 48 hours
[13:45]	DaemonFC	Then because it's Amazon, they'll ship it in non-biodegradable packaging that's 14 times bigger than the item.
[13:45]	DaemonFC	:)
[13:46]	TR News	"In the past I used to run a number of virtual machines, or dedicated hosts. Currently I'm cut things down to only a single machine which I'm planning to remove." https://blog.steve.fi/removing_my_last_server_.html
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[13:46]	TR Bot	 Removing my last server?
[13:46]	DaemonFC	With any luck, this Omicron shit will just keep hurting people who are acting stupidly.
[13:46]	DaemonFC	That's pretty much everyone who gets it and has serious consequences from it.
[13:47]	DaemonFC	We STILL have not had COVID.
[13:47]	schestowitz-TR	same here
[13:47]	schestowitz-TR	borther and dad got it
[13:47]	schestowitz-TR	and ister in law
[13:47]	DaemonFC	I couldn't think of anyone more deserving of it than my sister-in-law.
[13:47]	DaemonFC	Fat chance though.
[13:47]	schestowitz-TR	everyone I know who who had tested positive also had symptoms
[13:48]	DaemonFC	Unless it turns into an email virus.
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	but that's off topic anyway
[13:48]	DaemonFC	"Frontline worker"
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	Frontline navigator
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	Netscaper
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	Netscape nurse
[13:48]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Firefox on Android does behave a lot like Netscape Navigator.
[13:49]	DaemonFC	Netscape Navigator reloaded the entire web page off of the Internet if you resized the window.
[13:49]	DaemonFC	Firefox does it if you switch to another app and then back.
[13:49]	DaemonFC	:)
[13:49]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 14.86 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 258.42
[13:50]	TR News	"Thats why we have already flocked to doorbell cameras for the police, that expose bad parenting, with the same defects of social media. And thats why we are now going to adopt spying streetlights. All stuff that does the same surveillance as drones, just much more cheaply and discreetly. Smart cities, these are not." https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/12/certain-risks-of-drones-were-wildly-exhagerated/
[13:50]	TR Bot	 Certain risks of drones were wildly exhagerated | Stop at Zona-M
[13:51]	bnchs__	streetlights has have lights
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	cctv
[13:51]	bnchs__	have to have*
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	with lights on it
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	:)
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	and microphone, too
[13:51]	DaemonFC	Chicago has Police Pods.
[13:51]	bnchs__	also the budget to do this must be too expensive
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	"smart" phones
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	spying devices
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	that can also make some calls, sometimes...
[13:51]	DaemonFC	They did studies. Crime doesn't go down. It just moves to where the Pod can't see it.
[13:52]	bnchs__	imagine having to put a camera in every streetlights
[13:52]	schestowitz-TR	biden: oligarch's spokesperson
[13:52]	DaemonFC	Now they're complaining that shot spotter is racist.
[13:52]	schestowitz-TR	who can also sign bills and EOs
[13:52]	DaemonFC	It triangulates gunshots so the police know where to respond.
[13:52]	DaemonFC	It's racist that most of the gunshots happen where....oh I won't say it.
[13:52]	DaemonFC	:)
[13:53]	schestowitz-TR	triangulation is not for sound
[13:53]	DaemonFC	If you get rid of the microphones you don't have to know that.
[13:53]	schestowitz-TR	false marketing
[13:53]	schestowitz-TR	bad science and pseudoscience
[13:53]	schestowitz-TR	to graft
[13:53]	DaemonFC	Like if you don't test for COVID, you don't have "these numbers".
[13:53]	bnchs__	there's neighborhoods nearby that have cameras attached to a streetlight, and people just throw rocks and stones at it
[13:54]	DaemonFC	People in Waukegan reacted badly to the red light camera.
[13:54]	bnchs__	they can't find the person who did it, and they have to pay for the camera again
[13:54]	DaemonFC	The city had to remove it after someone set it on fire.
[13:54]	DaemonFC	They never bothered replacing the one at that intersection.
[13:54]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Not all heroes wear capes.
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[13:55]	bnchs__	our country has these chinese cameras (dahua) and it's not good that they're known for shitty security
[13:56]	schestowitz-TR	but it helps sall
[13:56]	schestowitz-TR	cameras
[13:56]	schestowitz-TR	*sekk
[13:56]	schestowitz-TR	*sell
[13:56]	schestowitz-TR	and sales are good for "the economy"
[13:56]	DaemonFC	The government thinks everyone is stupid. On the FAQ for "redflex" is says, "Isn't the government just doing this for money?" and they say "No. In fact, revenue goes down. The purpose is safety." The cameras cause more accidents when people slam the brakes, and Chicago is making several million dollars a day.
[13:57]	DaemonFC	They didn't install these so that revenue will go down.
[13:57]	DaemonFC	They do it to play gotcha games.
[13:57]	DaemonFC	The police could never pull over thousands of speeders, but the cameras can issue tickets to everybody.
[13:57]	DaemonFC	They put 90% of them in the black neighborhoods.
[13:58]	DaemonFC	Then Lightfoot reduced the speed you have to be going to trigger it in order to send out twice as many fines.
[13:58]	DaemonFC	Racial justice, dont'cha know?
[13:58]	bnchs__	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/unpatched-dahua-cams-vulnerable-to-unauthenticated-remote-access/
[13:58]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/unpatched-dahua-cams-vulnerable-to-unauthenticated-remote-access/
[13:58]	TR Bot	 Unpatched Dahua cams vulnerable to unauthenticated remote access
[13:59]	DaemonFC	Then the stinking foul bureaucrats will get hundreds of millions in revenue and go "Because we're so enlightened, 1,000 families in a city of 3 million will get $500 a month for a year....maybe.....at some point, if we feel like it...we suppose.".
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[14:00]	DaemonFC	"Life's just getting too tough out there, and so we made it 1,000 times harder for all of you and then 99.9% of you get to watch the other 0.1% get UBI. May the odds be ever in your favor!"
[14:00]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, This goes back to what I was saying to dad the other day.
[14:01]	DaemonFC	For every thing the government does that benefits you, it does 99 things to hurt you and tax you and be a drag on you.
[14:01]	DaemonFC	And then people shame you for taking advantage of the 1 thing out of 100 that is a benefit.
[14:02]	DaemonFC	Like, when I was on probation and the government was shaking me down and threatening to send me to jail if I didn't cough up the fine....the probation officer suggests signing up for Medicaid.
[14:02]	DaemonFC	I told her 'I wouldn't need fucking Medicaid if the court system wasn't so out of control and levied a fine that I can't easily pay.".
[14:02]	DaemonFC	"But yeah, I'll look into that."
[14:02]	DaemonFC	"About time they did something that benefits me."
[14:03]	DaemonFC	Their goal is to keep most people so poor they need lots of government handouts.
[14:03]	DaemonFC	That way it becomes impossible to revolt when enough people feel they don't particularly need the government for anything anymore.
[14:04]	DaemonFC	Programs like food stamps and Medicaid and Obamacare and all of that are just so millions of people think they need the government.
[14:05]	DaemonFC	They're too afraid to change anything. If they rock the boat, they may have to figure out how to fend for themselves.
[14:05]	DaemonFC	It's to teach dependency.
[14:06]	DaemonFC	And Richard Stallman seems to worship the state and think that this foul evil thing is doing it out of charity and kindness, and that there should be MORE programs so that nobody can change the government.
[14:06]	DaemonFC	The whole thing is set up so that people are living hand to mouth. That's all you're supposed to be able to do.
[14:07]	DaemonFC	Live hand to mouth and be afraid of Republicans taking it away from you. These programs are really designed so that people vote for Democrats.
[14:07]	activelow	you are confusing "government" with "the state"
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	ddifferences?
[14:07]	activelow	it is "the state" which provides clean water, heating, roads, health care schools, not any government
[14:07]	DaemonFC	Yeah, if the government got out of healthcare entirely, it couldn't be that expensive.
[14:08]	DaemonFC	It's expensive for the same reason pulling a dent out of your car is $800 with insurance and $200 without insurance.
[14:08]	activelow	the state includes both, the population and more or less the government
[14:08]	DaemonFC	If it's insurance, they have to pay, so the body shop soaks the insurance.
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[14:08]	TR Bot	 Links 5/2/2022: Qubes OS 4.1.0 and Ultimate Edition 7.5? | Techrights
[14:08]	TR News	#Security and #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161127 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:08]	TR Bot	 Security and Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:08]	DaemonFC	If healthcare had to be tethered to what people can actually pay, instead of having guaranteed customers due to programs, then it would be a lot cheaper.
[14:09]	TR News	#Fedora and #RedHat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161128 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:09]	TR Bot	 Fedora and Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:09]	activelow	question isn't if "the state" could or should be abandoned (without roads being built anymore, hospitals, schools, water, heating), question is if a self-proclaimed nobility, the government, can be replaced or removed
[14:09]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161129 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:09]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:09]	DaemonFC	They calculate the cost of everything based on that being a starting point in negotiations with programs and insurance companies.
[14:09]	activelow	often, this is the articulated threat, a government would collapse the entire state when removed
[14:09]	DaemonFC	We have some private roads here, and they're in better shape than anything that comes out of the general fund.
[14:10]	DaemonFC	I have a transponder in my car to pay for using those.
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[14:10]	activelow	meanwhile, the city major of Nuernberg had sent a letter to *all* inhabitants with the dictate: "GET VACCINATED!", written in bold letters.
[14:10]	DaemonFC	The state is broke because it's managed by incompetent politicians that make promises that they can't keep.
[14:11]	DaemonFC	They squander all of our money on pensions for "government workers" who sit around and shuffle papers all day.
[14:11]	DaemonFC	Doing nothing that anyone living here benefits from.
[14:11]	DaemonFC	They expire our licenses every 4 years to create more work for the DMV. In Indiana, you only have to renew half as often and there aren't more car accidents.
[14:12]	DaemonFC	Then the result of making work and pensions for the DMV, is that the roads have more potholes in them.
[14:12]	DaemonFC	Because it takes money that could have paid construction workers to do a real job, and then would have saved people billions in car repairs.
[14:13]	DaemonFC	Almost every "job" the government "creates" is a loss for society.
[14:14]	DaemonFC	They tax the real workers and piss it down a rat hole on idiots that do nothing terribly important.
[14:15]	DaemonFC	They have case workers at the "welfare" office that have to go down everything line by line. It costs more to have them than it would to just have a computer program verify things and approve the case, and save humans for appeals that get kicked out for some reason.
[14:16]	DaemonFC	But by having them there, it creates a "patronage army" which votes in a labor union, and then brings in money and votes for the Democrats.
[14:16]	DaemonFC	So it's worth a lot to them to keep it the way it is.
[14:17]	DaemonFC	They have partially privatized the DMV in Illinois.
[14:17]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, ^
[14:17]	DaemonFC	If you don't feel like blowing your whole day on Papers, Please! you can go into a Currency Exchange and pay a convenience fee, and get in and out in less than 20 minutes.
[14:18]	DaemonFC	The idea is that by adding a convenience fee, you don't have to stand in line with the poor people over at the DMV wasting your whole day, dealing with the rejects from the TSA.
[14:19]	TR News	11 Best Linux Distros For #Programming And Development [2022 Edition] https://fossbytes.com/best-linux-distros-for-programming-developers/ #FossBytes #GNU #Linux in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/05/#latest
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[14:19]	TR Bot	 11 Best Linux Distros For Programming And Development [2022 Edition]
[14:19]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[14:20]	DaemonFC	It's scary just how many people do work for the government.
[14:20]	DaemonFC	Because it doesn't produce anything unless you count suffering.
[14:20]	schestowitz-TR	why?
[14:20]	schestowitz-TR	ffalse.
[14:20]	schestowitz-TR	gafam do suffering
[14:20]	schestowitz-TR	and work for govs
[14:20]	schestowitz-TR	indirectly
[14:21]	DaemonFC	Yeah, it benefits the government, so they have a license to break the laws and pay no taxes.
[14:21]	DaemonFC	It's another part of the cancer that is government.
[14:22]	TR News	Another kind of #openwashing https://www.wfmz.com/news/pr_newswire/pr_newswire_stocks/advancements-that-attract-using-technology-to-support-your-workforce----a-free-webinar/article_a717ede8-a67d-59cf-aa28-142cd1f91b3e.html
[14:22]	TR Bot	that Attract: Using Technology to Support Your Workforce -- A Free Webinar By Bells & OPEN MINDS | News | wfmz.com
[14:22]	DaemonFC	People who benefit the government usually do get a blind eye to their crimes.
[14:22]	DaemonFC	The police have snitches that are allowed to commit minor offenses in exchange for ratting out other people.
[14:22]	DaemonFC	GAFAM is just that on steroids.
[14:24]	DaemonFC	Facebook is designed so that people self-censor and inform on themselves.
[14:25]	DaemonFC	They do a good job of that. The police say they love Facebook.
[14:25]	bnchs__	the dahua DVR web control uses ActiveX
[14:25]	DaemonFC	Criminals get on there and post all sorts of stuff that comes up later at the trial.
[14:25]	DaemonFC	Nap time.
[14:26]	schestowitz-TR	0/
[14:27]	schestowitz-TR	[14:22] <DaemonFC> GAFAM is just that on steroids.
[14:27]	schestowitz-TR	bigger budget
[14:27]	schestowitz	<http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[14:27]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[14:27]	schestowitz	six-figure salaries for gov. CONTRACTORS
[14:27]	schestowitz	military objective served... but sold as "business"
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[14:29]	bnchs__	i just realized how much our country uses microsoft tech
[14:30]	bnchs__	the government websites even education are hosted using Microsoft IIS 8.5
[14:32]	schestowitz-TR	in 2022 ^_^
[14:33]	SomeH4x0r	what is wrong with 2022?
[14:33]	bnchs__	their websites actually got hacked many times
[14:33]	SomeH4x0r	I don't believe in "progress"
[14:34]	SomeH4x0r	it still happens, but it is a lot about evil activities of corporations
[14:34]	SomeH4x0r	I mean real progress, and fake one, which is about making people keep buying things they don't need
[14:35]	TR News	The open-source world is more and more closed Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161130 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:35]	TR Bot	 The open-source world is more and more closed | Tux Machines
[14:36]	bnchs__	schools use the website to store student scores, but they don't trust it as much, because the website is buggy as shit
[14:37]	psydroid4	the same thing can be seen in Eastern Europe
[14:38]	psydroid4	I don't know if it has anything to do with financial incentives or people believing Microsoft still stands for something
[14:38]	psydroid4	anything
[14:39]	bnchs__	there's many students who pays someone (who has a backdoor) to tamper with their score
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[14:41]	psydroid4	I don't know how much can be made out of this: https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rijksoverheid.nl%2F
[14:41]	TR Bot	 Site report for https://www.rijksoverheid.nl | Netcraft
[14:41]	psydroid4	but I don't think it runs on Microsoft
[14:43]	TR News	BS clickbait, propping up the already-ludicrous bubbles that are #socialcontrolmedia [sic] (and #facebook collapsed only days ago) https://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/shopping-on-social-media-platforms-forecast-to-reach-1-2-trillion-by-2025-87380.html
[14:43]	TR Bot	 Shopping on Social Media Platforms Forecast To Reach $1.2 Trillion by 2025
[14:45]	bnchs__	our country has ties to microsoft
[14:46]	bnchs__	i mean government
[14:47]	bnchs__	https://news.microsoft.com/en-xm/2019/03/05/microsoft-4afrika-backs-development-of-moroccan-egovernment-solution/
[14:47]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: microsoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.microsoft.com/en-xm/2019/03/05/microsoft-4afrika-backs-development-of-moroccan-egovernment-solution/
[14:47]	TR Bot	 Microsoft 4Afrika backs development of Moroccan eGovernment solution Middle East & Africa News Center
[14:47]	TR News	"One of the core components of the platform is the Linux kernel. In light of the earlier CentOS announcements, the community decided to move over to Debian in an incremental process. In the 6.0 release, this means to upgrade to the 5.10 version of the kernel." https://blogs.windriver.com/wind_river_blog/2022/02/starlingx-r6-0-is-here/
[14:47]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: windriver.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blogs.windriver.com/wind_river_blog/2022/02/starlingx-r6-0-is-here/
[14:47]	TR Bot	 StarlingX R6.0 is here!
[14:47]	psydroid4	our country does too, but less so than yours
[14:48]	bnchs__	this is probably why our websites runs on microsoft tech, microsoft is greasing our government's hands
[14:48]	psydroid4	it's easier to bribe officials in developing countries, though
[14:48]	wallacer	not really, just that bribery works in different ways
[14:49]	wallacer	financial capital doesn't change hands, other forms of capital do
[14:49]	TR News	#intel lies and #propaganda ... they've outsourced this to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware https://medium.com/intel-tech/oneapi-as-a-catalyst-for-open-innovation-59904a602e leaks about #openAPI in http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
[14:49]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medium.com/intel-tech/oneapi-as-a-catalyst-for-open-innovation-59904a602e
[14:49]	TR Bot	as a Catalyst for Open Innovation | by Intel | Intel Tech | Feb, 2022 | Medium
[14:49]	TR Bot	 Intel leaks - Techrights
[14:49]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs__: we covered morocco in many contexts
[14:49]	schestowitz-TR	inc. epo
[14:49]	schestowitz-TR	as recently as months ago
[14:49]	bnchs__	really?
[14:49]	psydroid4	the worst part of that is that adopting that Microsoft technology will hold your country's technological development back
[14:50]	schestowitz	2016: http://techrights.org/2016/05/20/battistelli-in-morocco/
[14:50]	TR Bot	 Notorious EPO Tyrant, Benot Battistelli, Meets Other Tyrants, Reportedly Cleanses the Administrative Council | Techrights
[14:50]	schestowitz	the criminals in europe love the dictators in other places
[14:51]	schestowitz	in east asia and in northern africa, south america
[14:51]	schestowitz	months ago: http://techrights.org/2021/09/23/paying-to-avoid-negative-press-coverage/
[14:51]	TR Bot	 The EPO is on the Run (Escaping Negative Press Coverage) | Techrights
[14:52]	bnchs__	you can't really speak out against the king mohammed VI here
[14:52]	schestowitz	I know
[14:52]	schestowitz	same in EPOnia
[14:52]	schestowitz	the "king" is beyond criticism
[14:52]	schestowitz	they also love SIPO/CNIPA/China
[14:52]	psydroid4	students here have literally told me "I like Windows"
[14:53]	schestowitz	where you cannot criticise the dictator
[14:53]	psydroid4	even now that alternatives work much better
[14:53]	schestowitz	psydroid4:  maybe they tried nothing else except mobile
[14:53]	schestowitz	mobile is even worse
[14:53]	bnchs__	at least one thing microsoft hasn't touched is our tech-ed books
[14:54]	psydroid4	there are some applications that only run on Windows, I get that and have to use it for those sometimes too
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[14:54]	psydroid4	but that doesn't make me "like" Windows
[14:54]	TR News	#bsd powered https://www.prweb.com/releases/2022/01/prweb18467160.htm
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[14:54]	TR Bot	 iXsystems Outperforms in 2021 with 70% Year-over-Year Growth of TrueNAS Open Storage Deployments
[14:55]	psydroid4	I've read about Microsoft(-only) universities in the US
[14:55]	psydroid4	I don't know to what extent those are a thing, but I would probably laugh first and then ask them if they are serious
[14:56]	TR News	Modern-day #slavery (the source of the stuff they sell, maybe till workers also) https://patch.com/oregon/beaverton/beaverton-starbucks-file-unionize-sherwood-crash-traps-1 #starbucks
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[14:56]	TR Bot	Starbucks File To Unionize + Sherwood Crash Traps 1 | Beaverton, OR Patch
[14:57]	TR News	#GAFAM : we have to PRETEND to be against #slavery because slavery is what we do and cause. So mixed messages will confuse, diffuse, and muddle up the information. #sweatshops #military #exploitation #greed
[14:57]	bnchs__	primary schools here use GNU/Linux on computers
[14:57]	schestowitz-TR	great
[14:59]	schestowitz	https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/morocco-journalist-omar-radi-sentenced-six-years-after-unfair-trial from https://www.amnesty.org.uk/issues/technology-and-human-rights
[14:59]	TR Bot	 Morocco: journalist Omar Radi sentenced to six years after unfair trial | Amnesty International UK
[14:59]	TR Bot	 Technology and human rights | Amnesty International UK
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[15:00]	schestowitz	"In June 2020, an Amnesty report revealed that Omar Radi had been targeted by the Moroccan authorities using spyware produced by the Israeli company NSO Group. Following this, the Moroccan authorities launched a smear campaign against Amnesty, attempting to discredit the organisations findings and distract from the unlawful surveillance of human rights defenders and journalists in the country. The indictment in both the espionage and rape cases 
[15:00]	schestowitz	against Radi confirm that the authorities had had the journalist under surveillance from late December 2017. "
[15:00]	schestowitz	He should have used gnu/linux
[15:00]	bnchs__	it's maybe because they have oldass computers and they need to use new software
[15:00]	bnchs__	like tuxpaint and firefox
[15:00]	schestowitz	at least they teach instead of train
[15:02]	TR News	#Java News Roundup: Loom and Panama Updates, Groovy 4.0, GraalVM 22.0 CE, Jakarta EE RPC https://www.infoq.com/news/2022/01/java-news-roundup-jan24-2022/ #programming
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Java News Roundup: Loom and Panama Updates, Groovy 4.0, GraalVM 22.0 CE, Jakarta EE RPC
[15:02]	bnchs__	the college IT books also teachs them GIMP, audacity, and (unfortunately) MSoffice
[15:02]	SomeH4x0r	didn't audacity turn evil recently?
[15:02]	SomeH4x0r	I'm *not sure* about GIMP. Big software is high risk.
[15:02]	bnchs__	the book was made before audacity got sold
[15:03]	TR News	"with my limited understanding, modern languages like Rust do seem like a safer, more modern, more robust choice." https://www.osnews.com/story/134508/rust-written-replacement-to-gnu-coreutils-progressing-some-binaries-now-faster/ well, #rustlang ITSELF has #security issues, attack surface
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[15:03]	TR Bot	replacement to GNU Coreutils progressing, some binaries now faster OSnews
[15:04]	psydroid4	primary schools mostly use Chromebooks here from what I've been told
[15:04]	bnchs__	the books also have a brief summary of the GNU project in the GIMP chapter
[15:04]	schestowitz-TR	in libya gnu is the government
[15:05]	schestowitz-TR	of national unity
[15:05]	XRevan86	SomeH4x0r: It got iffy
[15:05]	XRevan86	SomeH4x0r: The harsh thing is that all the forks kind of died out.
[15:05]	schestowitz	"All we can hope for is a few people still carrying this hardware to donate either time or hardware to aid in keeping these drivers building and running."
[15:06]	schestowitz	https://www.osnews.com/story/134516/numerous-linux-x11-display-drivers-can-no-longer-even-properly-build/
[15:06]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: osnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.osnews.com/story/134516/numerous-linux-x11-display-drivers-can-no-longer-even-properly-build/
[15:06]	TR Bot	Linux/X11 display drivers can no longer even properly build OSnews
[15:06]	bnchs__	gnu/linux distributions didn't update audacity after the news
[15:06]	schestowitz	or maybe "big  silicon" will ship newer hardware to micro larabel
[15:06]	psydroid4	the main thing is that the audacity source code itself is garbage and hard to work with
[15:06]	schestowitz	bnchs__: they last thing they want it to ADD a security problem
[15:06]	schestowitz	*is to
[15:06]	bnchs__	like arch gnu/linux they're still stuck in audacity 2.4.1, and most likely never update
[15:07]	psydroid4	basically the only thing you can do is rewriting the application in a sane way
[15:07]	psydroid4	which has been discussed in the tenacity chats
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[15:08]	XRevan86	bnchs__: Considering that the fork saviour is not coming, they will probably giving in and just strip away the nasty stuff.
[15:09]	XRevan86	* give in
[15:09]	bnchs__	i thought only parabola does that
[15:10]	TR News	As a coding language, C++ appeals to the ego, not the intellect | eFinancialCareers https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2022/02/c-coding-language-problems #efinancialcareers #cpp #programming
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[15:10]	TR Bot	a coding language, C++ appeals to the ego, not the intellect | eFinancialCareers
[15:10]	XRevan86	Audacity's upstream had some notable improvements with performance, it's hard to just ignore that forever.
[15:10]	SomeH4x0r	or remove the package, like they do sometimes
[15:11]	bnchs__	they can't
[15:11]	SomeH4x0r	I noticed some packages turning "external" sometimes
[15:11]	bnchs__	people rely on audacity for audio editing
[15:11]	TR News	Selling mass #surveillance as "green" (or energy-savings) https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/01/220131131920.htm
[15:11]	TR Bot	greener smart cities with machine learning-based 'sleep schedules' -- ScienceDaily
[15:12]	TR News	#purdue reduced to #buzzwords and is now pushing "HEY HI" BS https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2022/Q1/the-brains-secret-to-lifelong-learning-can-now-come-as-hardware-for-artificial-intelligence.html
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[15:12]	TR Bot	 The brains secret to lifelong learning can now come as hardware for artificial intelligence - Purdue University News
[15:13]	bnchs__	" putting BSs to sleep makes their traffic logs unavailable, which also reduces the accuracy of traffic prediction. Is there a way to avoid this compromise between accuracy and sustainability?"
[15:13]	XRevan86	It's not like Audacity went full proprietary or something.
[15:13]	bnchs__	they normalized surveillance
[15:14]	TR News	Intel "spent billions on stock price support [sic] instead." = #intel defrauding shareholders. Buybacks are technically embezzlement. #fakeEconomy https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/31/intel_earnings_analysis/ see also http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
[15:14]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/31/intel_earnings_analysis/
[15:14]	TR Bot	 When an engineer is in charge: Intel under Pat Gelsinger The Register
[15:14]	TR Bot	 Intel leaks - Techrights
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR	" accuracy and sustainability"
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR	SUSTAINABILITY
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	greenwashing
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	EPO now has a sustainability chief
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	what they do all day?
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	you tell me..
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	maybe drafting and refining press releases...
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	flying planes to places
[15:15]	psydroid4	washing themselves with the green stuff
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	and then putting in their email signature
[15:15]	psydroid4	the green paper
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	"do't print this; it harms the pkanet
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	while they charge up some lithiaum battery on a small plane
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	greenwashing has become the target of farce-bait
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	even the young environmentalists mock the greenwash
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	it'll backfire on fake leftists
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	like biden
[15:17]	schestowitz-TR	who think greenwashing will fool us
[15:17]	schestowitz-TR	he signed off more coal or gas contracts than Trump, IIRC
[15:17]	psydroid4	what does that guy advise people to use instead of C or C++?
[15:17]	schestowitz-TR	EU now calls nuclear energy "green"
[15:17]	psydroid4	he never said anything about that in his blog
[15:18]	schestowitz	[13:16] <techrights-news> NEWS #CommonDreams #greenwashing 'Disgrace': #EU Panned Over Plan to Label Gas, Nuclear Green https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/02/disgrace-eu-panned-over-plan-label-gas-nuclear-green
[15:18]	TR Bot	 'Disgrace': EU Panned Over Plan to Label Gas, Nuclear Green
[15:18]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/02/disgrace-eu-panned-over-plan-label-gas-nuclear-green
[15:18]	schestowitz	gas also
[15:18]	schestowitz	gas is green!!
[15:18]	activelow	"green" or "renewable" aren't qualifiers for the energy sector anyway. it is the costs of sourcing/mining, transport and storage of energy
[15:18]	schestowitz	burn it up, it's green!!
[15:18]	XRevan86	Pretty sure it's colourless.
[15:18]	XRevan86	Seems like EU got itself in a pickle, and now is trying to bend the rules to fix that.
[15:18]	activelow	and in particular the "green" ones are anything except "environmentally friendly"; "renewable" and "green" are propaganda scam and subsidy fraud
[15:19]	schestowitz	"sustainable" is empty
[15:19]	XRevan86	Not burning coal is still a win though.
[15:19]	schestowitz	has no actual meaning
[15:19]	schestowitz	maybe clothing better is  "sustainable"
[15:19]	schestowitz	but that does not sell well, esp. if you wear older garments and blankets
[15:20]	activelow	sustainable, however, the "renewable" and "green" are propaganda scam nonetheless
[15:20]	activelow	in fact, "environmentally friendly" business is *sanctioned*
[15:20]	activelow	and cash is funneled elsewhere, where it does *not* benefit the climate
[15:21]	TR News	"A growing number of historically Black colleges and universities began Black history month in security lockdowns." https://www.delawarepublic.org/2022-02-01/black-history-month-opens-with-bomb-threats-against-hbcus
[15:21]	TR Bot	 Black History month opens with bomb threats against HBCUs | Delaware First Media
[15:21]	activelow	meanwhile, i verified a vendor-independent option to compile GNU/Linux kernel and userspace with tcc
[15:22]	TR News	Insane price for a computer so crappy, with #microsoft #malware saddled onto it even if you do not want it https://www.notebookcheck.net/Beelink-GTR5-Ryzen-9-mini-PC-one-ups-almost-every-Intel-NUC-thus-far-in-raw-processor-performance.596511.0.html
[15:22]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: notebookcheck.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.notebookcheck.net/Beelink-GTR5-Ryzen-9-mini-PC-one-ups-almost-every-Intel-NUC-thus-far-in-raw-processor-performance.596511.0.html
[15:22]	TR Bot	GTR5 Ryzen 9 mini PC one-ups almost every Intel NUC thus far in raw processor performance - NotebookCheck.net News
[15:23]	activelow	seems to me, proficient hackers had given up on that front long time ago: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/tinycc-devel/2005-01/msg00015.html
[15:23]	TR Bot	 Re: [Tinycc-devel] Tcc and Linux Kernel
[15:23]	activelow	https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/2/2/1786
[15:23]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: lkml.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/2/2/1786
[15:23]	TR Bot	 LKML: Michael Matz: Re: Alternative compilers to GCC/Clang
[15:23]	activelow	as far as "sustainability" and efficiency were concerned, that's past, long gone, with both IBM Wintel PC and GNU/Linux
[15:24]	TR News	Paid-for IBM puff piece; many self-described "journalists" are just lousy, reckless marketing people https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/02/03/as-kubernetes-matures-the-edge-needs-containment/
[15:24]	TR Bot	 As Kubernetes Matures, The Edge Needs Containment
[15:24]	activelow	the last GNU compiler which was confirmed to bootstrap with tcc was gcc-2.9 (~16 years ago), and the last kernel was linux-2.4 at the same time
[15:25]	activelow	the testing of linux-4.6 with tcc 5 years ago didn't yield any desired result anymore
[15:26]	activelow	instead, rust-lang is on the agenda nowadays, after GNU/Linux vendor-locked into compilers (llvm/clang and >=gcc-4.9) already which i wouldn't accept anymore
[15:26]	TR News	In the 1990s penguins were widely known as a mascot for #linux and in recent years they got 'coopted' as same-sex symbol
[15:26]	bnchs__	why
[15:26]	bnchs__	why drag sexuality into software
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR	no
[15:26]	bnchs__	i mean animals
[15:26]	schestowitz-TR	it's not related to software
[15:27]	schestowitz-TR	it's just that when I look for news about penguins
[15:27]	schestowitz-TR	a lot of it pushes gender agenda/politics
[15:27]	schestowitz-TR	penguins have a lot to be said about them
[15:27]	schestowitz-TR	like the climate aspects
[15:27]	schestowitz-TR	I thiink this started about 5 or 10 years ago
[15:28]	schestowitz-TR	lots of clickbait
[15:29]	schestowitz-TR	well, tbh a lot of news in general became like that
[15:29]	schestowitz-TR	so maybe part of a broader trend
[15:29]	schestowitz-TR	I'm looking for gentoo news
[15:32]	TR News	Milford Public Library Hosts Basic Image Editing with GIMP, the Free Image Editor February 10 at 7pm https://news.hamlethub.com/milford/events/47332-basic-image-editing-with-gimp-the-free-image-editor-february-10-at-7pm
[15:32]	TR Bot	 Milford Public Library Hosts Basic Image Editing with GIMP, the Free Image Editor February 10 at 7pm
[15:33]	bnchs__	at least it isn't photoshop
[15:35]	TR News	Weight matters https://nitter.eu/carygolomb/status/1489409865512628230 #nitter
[15:35]	TR Bot	 Cary Golomb (@carygolomb): "Vita means life #SteamDeck" | nitter
[15:36]	TR News	#gnu #linux powered, but #drm and #Surveillance https://www.businessinsider.com/google-stadia-stream-plan-partnerships-peloton-bungie-gaming-service-2022-2?r=US&IR=T
[15:36]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: businessinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businessinsider.com/google-stadia-stream-plan-partnerships-peloton-bungie-gaming-service-2022-2?r=US&IR=T
[15:36]	TR Bot	 Inside Google's Plan to Salvage Its Stadia Gaming Service
[15:37]	TR News	Web [sic] pioneer [sic]. Freeriding charlatan... https://www.fastcompany.com/90716841/tim-oreilly-on-web3 see http://techrights.org/2021/08/11/prof-moglen-at-oscon-speaking-to-oreilly-open-source-is-a-waste-of-time-distracts-from-software-freedom/
[15:37]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: fastcompany.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fastcompany.com/90716841/tim-oreilly-on-web3
[15:37]	TR Bot	 Web pioneer Tim O'Reilly on Web3
[15:37]	TR Bot	 Prof. Moglen at OSCON, Speaking to OReilly: Open Source is a Waste of Time (Distracts From Software Freedom) | Techrights
[15:38]	TR News	"in the United States 16% of households experience energy poverty as presently defined as spending more than 6% of household income on energy expenditures. More than 5.2 million households above the Federal Poverty Line face energy poverty, disproportionately burdening Black, Hispanic, and Native American communities." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-27673-y
[15:38]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: nature.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-27673-y
[15:38]	TR Bot	measurement strategy to address disparities across household energy burdens | Nature Communications
[15:39]	activelow	anyway, some Hacker from SUSE demonstrated, with tcc a minified linux-kernel could be compiled in less than 10s
[15:39]	activelow	the minified kernel i was compiling with gcc recently requires 30minutes
[15:40]	TR News	CISA Adds Eight Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog - HS Today https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/cybersecurity/cisa-adds-eight-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-to-catalog/ #hstoday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/05/#latest
[15:40]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: hstoday.us | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/cybersecurity/cisa-adds-eight-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-to-catalog/
[15:40]	TR Bot	 CISA Adds Eight Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog - HS Today
[15:40]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[15:40]	activelow	insofar, it is obvious, what the trade-offs are, with GCC/GNU/Linux, and since recently llvm/clang
[15:40]	gene	how evil am i for liking golang?
[15:41]	activelow	as far as GNU/GCC in comparison to TCC was concerned, same story here: gcc ~30minutes to compile itself, tcc ~1minute including  various cross-compilers even
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[15:42]	psydroid4	making things only compilable with gcc is a push intended for selling faster hardware?
[15:42]	TR News	It is #GNU , not #Linux https://www.howtogeek.com/775824/how-to-use-the-linux-cut-command/ see http://techrights.org/2020/01/02/gnu-programs-as-linux-commands/ http://techrights.org/2021/05/10/rms-on-his-gnu-programs/
[15:42]	TR Bot	 How to Use the Linux cut Command
[15:42]	TR Bot	 GNU Programs Arent Linux Commands But GNU Programs | Techrights
[15:42]	TR Bot	 Richard Stallman on Writing rm, ls, and cp (Also Working on Bison) | Techrights
[15:42]	psydroid4	imagine an ARM SBC being seen as a speed demon all of a sudden
[15:42]	TR News	#scamcoin or #fakecoin would rhyme well with #facebook https://cointelegraph.com/news/rise-of-web3-metaverse-tokens-surge-as-meta-s-share-price-plunges
[15:42]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: cointelegraph.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://cointelegraph.com/news/rise-of-web3-metaverse-tokens-surge-as-meta-s-share-price-plunges
[15:42]	TR Bot	 Rise of Web3: Metaverse tokens surge as Metas share price plunges
[15:42]	gene	*eyes that fancy intel asic fab getting deployed in Ohio*
[15:43]	activelow	psydroid4: too it is political/strategic to vendor-lock into specific compilers and corporations;
[15:44]	activelow	same with golang, rust, and c++ (since when gcc is implemented in c++, and llvm/clang alike)
[15:44]	TR News	false, biased and antisemitic. = #israel uses smears again to place itself above criticism. #censorship https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3447946/israel-calls-amnesty-not-release-apartheid-report
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[15:44]	TR Bot	 Israel Calls on Amnesty Not to Release Apartheid Report | Asharq AL-awsat
[15:44]	activelow	gene: i do not appreciate the compiler required for golang, to begin there
[15:45]	TR News	The February 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161131 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:45]	TR Bot	 The February 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine | Tux Machines
[15:45]	gene	you like interpreted languages?
[15:45]	schestowitz	https://www.libyaobserver.ly/health/gnu-makes-coronavirus-vaccination-mandatory-country
[15:45]	TR Bot	 GNU makes Coronavirus vaccination mandatory in the country | The Libya Observer
[15:45]	schestowitz	RMS would agree
[15:46]	activelow	gene: thinking about it, i distinguish ahead-of-time and just-in-time compilation, with different trade-offs
[15:46]	gene	i like being able to hand folks binaries and and them just being able to work without having to install a bunch of other stuff to make it work
[15:47]	activelow	in between, run-time and compile-time performance all recent compilers miss the "sweet spot" by orders of mangitude of what's possible
[15:47]	gene	even more when the "bunch of other stuff" is eventually acquired by EvilCorp[Tm] *eyes Java*
[15:47]	TR News	RMS, brainwshed by the #billgates -owned Guardian: let's force everyone to pay for #patent #cartel https://www.libyaobserver.ly/health/gnu-makes-coronavirus-vaccination-mandatory-country GNU agrees (another GNU)
[15:51]	bnchs__	gnu makes coronavirus vaccination mandatory?
[15:51]	schestowitz-TR	like they win in money
[15:51]	SomeH4x0r	> The Government of National Unity (GNU)
[15:51]	schestowitz-TR	who pays and how much?
[15:51]	schestowitz-TR	billgates already coirrupted that coun try
[15:51]	bnchs__	future of gnu if rms doesn't get unwashed
[15:51]	schestowitz-TR	literally bribed and attacked it
[15:51]	schestowitz-TR	to prevent it using gnu/linux iin olpc
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[15:51]	SomeH4x0r	what about GNU/FSF workers though?
[15:54]	activelow	it is noteworthy, GNU/Linux locked out tcc; and i haven't verified yet if gcc-4.7 could be bootstrapped with tcc since when last time this was confirmed 16 years ago already
[15:54]	activelow	see this, tcc was ~10x faster bootstrapping GNU/GCC: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/tinycc-devel/2005-09/msg00054.html
[15:54]	TR Bot	 [Tinycc-devel] GCC by TCC (some fixes)
[15:55]	activelow	the last candidate to consider is gcc-4.7 (written in C), initially released march 2012, a noteworthy anniversary to "celebrate"
[15:56]	bnchs__	"all citizens over the age of 12"
[15:57]	bnchs__	kids don't need vaccination, but what if we lock them down in their homes, give them junk food, and then they need the vaccine
[15:57]	TR News	What? You actually trust pushers of fake coins? https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202202/page02.html
[15:57]	TR Bot	 PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 2
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[16:01]	TR News	#pclinuxOS mag editor: My wife was in quarantine for a breakthrough COVID infection (that me and the kids, thankfully, never showed any symptoms of having)." https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202202/editorial.html
[16:01]	TR Bot	 PCLinuxOS Magazine - Welcome From The Chief Editor
[16:01]	activelow	another noteworthy detail, the original author of tcc was associated with Ecole Polytechnic, Paris, and telecom; not IBM / Wintel / Redhat / Google / Satan
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[16:05]	activelow	GNU/Linux welcomed the latter, and expelled the former with their vendor-lock into whatever golang/rust/c++ and GCC/llvm represent
[16:06]	bnchs__	activelow what about a tiny c++ compiler
[16:07]	bnchs__	that is intended to bootstrap GCC
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[16:08]	gene	open source the vaccines?
[16:08]	bnchs__	free the vaccines
[16:09]	gene	i gotta get vaccinated for yellow fever
[16:09]	gene	ima probably travel to east africa in the near future
[16:09]	bnchs__	why
[16:10]	gene	creating memories; primarily, maybe some political fun; wouldn't be so hard to start a business there with their low gdp meaning workers are fairly cheap
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[16:10]	gene	[~$10-20 / day for labor cheap]
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[16:10]	bnchs__	yes also the place to get beheaded
[16:11]		*kingoffrance ducks out of reflex
[16:11]	gene	the authoritarian regime mostly protects tourist, it's not central/north africa.. lol
[16:11]	bnchs__	oh really?
[16:12]	bnchs__	also stupid kid got trapped in a well
[16:12]	gene	yeah, mostly, like don't travel after dark, etc, etc.
[16:13]	gene	north africa; you got isis roaming about and whatnot
[16:13]	TR News	#geminispace growing: "We successfully connected recently to 1681 of them." gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi aporoaching 1,700 now.
[16:13]	bnchs__	gene: it's not really isis
[16:14]	gene	central africa is pretty unstable due to their resources being exploited by private corporate industry; but things are sorting out
[16:14]	bnchs__	it's more about people with machettes mugging you for your money and phone
[16:14]	gene	avoid tigray?
[16:14]	gene	idk, there are unstable regions that you'd probably want to avoid
[16:15]	gene	tigray is a massive civil war in east africa currently ongoing where you'd probably be more likely to be mugged in that way [or just shot dead]
[16:15]	bnchs__	what i described is what happens in morocco
[16:16]	gene	mauritania is pretty scary as a whole to me
[16:16]	bnchs__	regardless of time of day it is, there's either gonna be a guy in a motorcycle swiping your phone off you, or that
[16:16]	gene	west sahara is pretty dangerous too
[16:18]	activelow	bnchs__: c++ didn't belong into critical base system components, which should have remained C99 standards compliant
[16:18]	activelow	i am thinking too, maybe GNU/FSF could swap their Logo, form the GNU to Baphomet
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[16:27]	activelow	with this new cult, syringes are handed out to followers; the licensing terms of BaphometOS/Linux are this: mandatory vaccination
[16:31]	TR News	"Facebook's "privacy policy" (there's an oxymoron) states that Facebook may collect information about you as you travel across the web, even if you don't have a #Facebook account. Now exactly how that's legal is beyond me, since non-users (hello! ... I'm over here!) never agreed to Facebook's " #privacy policy" or data collection mechanisms." https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202202/page04.html
[16:31]	TR Bot	 PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 4
[16:35]	activelow	anyway, next night i'll review some linux-4.6 kernel branch with patches for tcc, which demonstrated x86_64 booted with tccboot and qemu
[16:36]	TR News	#Skrooge Revisited: Tips For Beginners Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161132 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDE
[16:36]	TR Bot	 Skrooge Revisited: Tips For Beginners | Tux Machines
[16:36]	XRevan86	Obvious spam on the freenode.net homepage for 4 days? Congratulations, now it's complete.
[16:37]	SomeH4x0r	updates?
[16:37]	XRevan86	SomeH4x0r: Just inevitable stagnation and death.
[16:39]	schestowitz	"OptymizeA "
[16:40]	schestowitz	sounds legit
[16:40]	schestowitz	like PIA
[16:40]	SomeH4x0r	what exactly?
[16:41]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Not as legitimate as Kape, but I'm sure they're working on it.
[16:42]	activelow	anyway, i am hesitating, because i am not too optimistic, given i am aiming for tinycc on bare-metal aarch64/32 and need kernel-5.10; and if this fails heavy intoxication with vodka is ahead, to forget about the lost love of the GNU
[16:43]	activelow	still got headeache from the session last night
[16:44]		*XRevan86 had no faith in those attempts to get Linux to compile on an old abandoned compiler.
[16:45]	SomeH4x0r	> abandoned | so let's make it "not abandoned"?
[16:45]	activelow	tcc isn't abandoned, and actively developed; it is BaphometOS/Linux at fault
[16:45]	XRevan86	It's like trying to get Nextcloud to work on PHP 5, ye sure can try, but the result will not be worth the effort.
[16:45]	activelow	no, it's not like this
[16:46]	SomeH4x0r	the issue is fake decentralization of development
[16:46]	XRevan86	SomeH4x0r: The steps to do so require working on the compiler, not on downgrading the compiled software.
[16:46]	activelow	https://youtu.be/iU0Z0vBKrtQ
[16:46]	TR Bot	Labs Conference 2018 - Compiling the Linux kernel in a second (give or take) - YouTube
[16:46]	SomeH4x0r	development is centralized, and things become "abandoned" even if the people who are responsible for maintaining the repository quit
[16:47]	SomeH4x0r	and instead of making forks, people wait for them
[16:47]	SomeH4x0r	s/them/these people to respond/
[16:48]	XRevan86	activelow: Having the last release in 2017 sure is active.
[16:48]	SomeH4x0r	we need to change it, though no idea how. Allowing free-for-all write access will result in unstoppable troll attacks at certain point.
[16:48]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22020526
[16:48]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/cmcqmizjssf81.jpg created on 2022-02-05 12:15:06.621705
[16:48]	activelow	XRevan86: i checked-out tcc HEAD
[16:49]	XRevan86	MinceR: Crippling debt over teaching biology.
[16:50]	activelow	maybe, announce this on Optymize: low-cost dev 10cash/day, drunken and dis-illusioned, all he needs is a bottle of spirit to cope with software outdated for at least a decade
[16:50]	XRevan86	activelow: One commit in a month, that's exactly the pace I expect from an actively developed compiler that needs to catch-up to a lot.
[16:51]	activelow	i am more concerned about what's supposed to be fed into a C99 compiler: BaphometOS/Linux
[16:52]	XRevan86	Where do I get BaphometOS? Sounds radical.
[16:52]	MinceR	i'm afraid we'll have to make it
[16:52]	XRevan86	Will it come with glibc or musl?
[16:53]	MinceR	dunno
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[16:54]	TR News	10,000 LOCs Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/05/10000-locs/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW #programming | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/05/10000-locs/
[16:54]	TR Bot	 10,000 LOCs | Techrights
[16:57]	XRevan86	activelow: I take it ye're religious?
[16:58]	XRevan86	That would explain the Bible-centric view on development of cultures and languages.
[16:59]	activelow	XRevan86: i am not affiliated with any church or corporate entity
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[17:00]	XRevan86	activelow: Maybe a less formal organisation? Religious groups come in many shapes and sizes.
[17:02]	activelow	anyway, time for foodhunt to survive the next two nights hacking; i'll let you know if i made any progress
[17:03]	activelow	as said, i am not too optimistic anymore, given the fact proficient veterans did not succeed; and with the bad mood of mine i do not intend to infect anyone else with it
[17:08]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22020511
[17:08]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/ivu5j8f1mqf81.png created on 2022-02-05 05:19:42.780363
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[17:21]	TR News	As shown above, based on our official page, today we crossed another noteworthy milestone; Were approaching 1,700 active capsules now, based on Lupas list and tally, which today says: We successfully connected recently to 1681 of them. Theres an announcement to be made quite soon regarding access to Gemini. Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/05/10000-locs/
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[17:26]	TR News	This Week in Right to Repair https://www.repair.org/blog/2022/2/5/y9rujoltklqedkgac68up26pk050lg
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[17:26]	TR Bot	 This Week in Right to Repair The Repair Association
[17:32]	XRevan86	https://smbc-comics.com/comic/data :D
[17:32]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Data
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[17:45]	MinceR	:)
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[18:03]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/2202056
[18:03]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/wpa1saaiwrf81.jpg created on 2022-02-05 02:29:51.458182
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[18:16]	schestowitz	http://gemini.techrights.org/proxy?url=gemini://gemini.techrights.org/
[18:16]	TR Bot	 Gemini Proxy for Techrights
[18:16]	schestowitz	will add ssl later
[18:16]	schestowitz	coded in perl, still testing
[18:17]	schestowitz	MinceR: that's a good band
[18:17]	schestowitz	until they renamed
[18:17]	schestowitz	with the accent on o or u
[18:21]	XRevan86	Ariadne: Similitude is an impressive episode, I liked it.
[18:23]	XRevan86	And finally a tough morality episode where the morality isn't seriously ethically questionable like in some previously mentioned episodes.
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[18:42]	schestowitz	wb, lukaso666
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[20:01]	MinceR	(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/reddit-different-color-things-11.jpg
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[20:37]	cGIfl300	Good evening
[20:51]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/02/05/review-of-jerry-app-for-car-insurance-quotes/
[20:51]	TR Bot	 Review of Jerry app for car insurance quotes. BaronHK's Rants
[20:58]	cGIfl300	Stolen cars are better :)
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[21:13]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/02/05/us-savings-bonds-are-at-a-25-year-high-are-these-a-good-alternative-to-stocks-right-now/
[21:13]	TR Bot	 US Savings Bonds are at a 25 year high. Are these a good alternative to stocks right now? BaronHK's Rants
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[21:20]	AdmFubar	https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/10/investigative-reports/wall-streets-takeover-of-nature-advances-with-launch-of-new-asset-class/
[21:20]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/10/investigative-reports/wall-streets-takeover-of-nature-advances-with-launch-of-new-asset-class/
[21:20]	TR Bot	 Wall Streets Takeover of Nature Advances with Launch of New Asset Class
[21:20]	bnchs__	in all-online schools here, they use microsoft teams
[21:23]	DaemonFC	I got a small lawsuit settlement.
[21:23]	DaemonFC	About $100, so I bought another Savings Bond with it.
[21:23]	MinceR	Bond. Savings Bond.
[21:24]	DaemonFC	Exactly.
[21:24]	DaemonFC	I'm going to use our tax return to buy some as well.
[21:24]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/220204119
[21:24]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/ha98z5hcksy21.jpg created on 2022-02-04 06:45:04.955268
[21:36]	AdmFubar	https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-seeks-5-year-prison-sentence-for-nintendo-hacker-gary-bowser-220204/
[21:36]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-seeks-5-year-prison-sentence-for-nintendo-hacker-gary-bowser-220204/
[21:36]	TR Bot	Seeks 5-Year Prison Sentence for Nintendo 'Hacker' Gary Bowser * TorrentFreak
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[21:37]	bnchs__	doug bowser vs gary bowser
[21:42]	DaemonFC	Gaaaaary!!!
[21:42]	DaemonFC	hahaha GARY!
[21:43]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Bethesda left a bug in the game where if you go into the vault full of Gary clones with a Stealth Boy on, they all speak normally to each other.
[21:44]	DaemonFC	They use random bandit dialog.
[21:45]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/4th-covid-shot-who-will-need-another-booster-soon/
[21:45]	TR Bot	 4th COVID shot: Who will need another booster soon | WGN-TV
[21:45]	SomeH4x0r	oh, again?
[21:45]	DaemonFC	As we approach this the third year of 15 days to slow the spread, when will it be time for the fourth dose of the two dose vaccine series (or the third dose of the one dose vaccine)?
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[21:47]	bnchs__	people thought there wouldn't be more than 2
[21:48]	AdmFubar	https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2022/feb/03/github-copilot-copyleft-gpl/
[21:48]	TR Bot	 If Software is My Copilot, Who Programmed My Software? - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy
[21:48]	bnchs__	microsoft programmed it
[21:49]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 48.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 258.65
[21:49]	bnchs__	the copilot is microsoft's propriety
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[21:49]	MinceR	other people's code goes in, MICROS~'s code comes out
[21:49]	MinceR	it's like magic.
[21:49]	bnchs__	and it's also a secret free software poison, if you build your program with github copilot, then it will owned by microsoft
[21:49]	SomeH4x0r	cGIfl300: ^ this is the network I told you about earlier, people are talking about corporations' evils, including big services
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[21:49]	MinceR	s/'/1'/
[21:50]	AdmFubar	https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2021/nov/30/vizio-update-0/
[21:50]	TR Bot	 First Update on the Vizio lawsuit - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy
[21:50]	SomeH4x0r	like GitHub, the web itself, GAFAM, etc
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[21:50]	cGIfl300	On my side I like these services and I use them daily lol
[21:50]	DaemonFC	MICROS~1
[21:52]	AdmFubar	https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2021/dec/28/vizio-update-1/
[21:52]	TR Bot	 One More Small Step Toward The Right to Software Repair - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy
[21:52]	DaemonFC	https://www.exterminate-it.com/malpedia/file/micros~1.vbs
[21:52]	TR Bot	 MICROS~1.VBS and Other Malware Associated Files
[21:52]	cGIfl300	Be against is not bad itself as far as you offert solutions to scale ;)
[21:53]	DaemonFC	"Vizio's response to that complaint was to remove the case to federal court"
[21:53]	DaemonFC	Yes, that's usually what they motion to do when federal law is weaker.
[21:53]	SomeH4x0r	DaemonFC: is it a real entry, or the service accepts any string?
[21:59]	AdmFubar	https://www.repair.org    https://www.repair.org/worst-in-show-2022
[21:59]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: repair.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.repair.org
[21:59]	TR Bot	 The Repair Association
[21:59]	TR Bot	 Worst in Show 2022 The Repair Association
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[22:01]	cGIfl300	Do you know how we made i3, i5, i7 ?
[22:02]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, The Illinois hotel industry says that due to winter weather, COVID, and the crime spree in Chicago, hotel occupancy rates are single digits there in many cases right now.
[22:02]	cGIfl300	1. We made i7 2. We burn cores.
[22:02]	DaemonFC	And that they're having a worse time than the Great Depression trying to remain in business.
[22:02]	cGIfl300	The problem is we actually forge i7 12th generation.
[22:03]	DaemonFC	There's an extended stay hotel in Gurnee that's trying to stay in business by advertising itself as a "short term lease apartment" at this point with "all utilities and high speed internet included".
[22:03]	psydroid8	do you work at Intel?
[22:03]	cGIfl300	We cannot build a fundry each time we need an old processor consuming more energy for inefiscient results
[22:04]	cGIfl300	Repairing is cool, but repairing a soc is absolutly not ecologic
[22:04]	cGIfl300	and not realistic
[22:04]	cGIfl300	Unlike what media said, a processor is almost made of sand
[22:05]		*psydroid8 wonders if we are dealing with a bit here
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[22:06]	psydroid8	a bit of a bot
[22:06]	cGIfl300	repairing is cool, but asking to build extra useless componment is not reasonable
[22:06]	psydroid8	
[22:08]	bnchs__	is this a wintel bot
[22:08]	psydroid8	
[22:09]	psydroid8	It looks like it
[22:09]	bnchs__	i don't speak russian
[22:09]	psydroid8	We must have awaked them
[22:09]	psydroid8	It was a joke
[22:09]	psydroid8	It means "Putin goes to Intel"
[22:09]	cGIfl300	have fun here
[22:09]	cGIfl300	I4ll keep coding on the cloud :P
[22:09]	cGIfl300	I'll*
[22:10]	cGIfl300	above the sky ;)
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[22:10]	psydroid8	Clowns usually have their heads in the clouds
[22:10]	psydroid8	Awakened*
[22:13]	psydroid8	They must be really desperate to send some drunk person here
[22:15]	bnchs__	bots usually don't answer questions
[22:16]	XRevan86	* 
[22:16]	psydroid8	
[22:17]	psydroid8	I just speak some basic Russian
[22:18]	bnchs__	are you russian?
[22:18]	psydroid8	No, I am Dutch
[22:19]	psydroid8	With ancestry from India
[22:28]	psydroid8	I completely missed out on what is happening "at" FOSDEM this weekend 
[22:35]	DaemonFC	The Russians are in trouble without x86.
[22:36]	DaemonFC	They have some homemade CPUs but they all suck quite badly.
[22:36]	DaemonFC	Maybe that will change in time if they have to deal with severe sanctions, but for now it's kind of a problem for them.
[22:37]	activelow	iirc the russian elbrus was some ia64 type ISA, VLIW, which GNU/Linux abandoned support for recently
[22:37]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/we-should-remove-masks-as-soon-as-we-can-pritzker-considering-easing-covid-19-restrictions-as-cases-drop/
[22:37]	TR Bot	 We should remove masks as soon as we can: Pritzker considering easing COVID-19 restrictions as cases drop | WGN-TV
[22:37]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, The election is looming, so Prickster changes the science to justify no masks.
[22:37]	MinceR	i have altered the science. pray i do not alter it any further.
[22:38]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/illinois-judge-blocks-school-mask-mandate-state-to-appeal/
[22:38]	TR Bot	 Illinois judge blocks school mask mandate, state to appeal | WGN-TV
[22:38]	DaemonFC	A downstate judge knocked over the requirement for kids to wear masks in school and has prevented the state from locking out unvaccinated teachers.
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[22:39]	DaemonFC	The ruling applies statewide, not just to the parents with kids in districts who sued the schools there.
[22:40]	DaemonFC	The judge's order says that Prickster's mask mandate ignores due process and that he can't order people to wear a mask unless the Illinois Department of Public Health issues a quarantine order against a particular person and gives them an opportunity to respond to it in court.
[22:52]	activelow	what's concerning here, in Nurnberg, the local government seemed to have scraped the database of registered inhabitants
[22:52]	activelow	then, sent a letter which arrived today, saying they didn't have access to yet couldn't sent the letter individually, although i am addressed personally by name with address, exactly the data which is registered
[22:54]	activelow	furthermore they argue it would be mRNA vaccine applied, regardless of any other available, none of which i need nor want anyway
[22:56]	bnchs__	pepsi have these water bottles that are fucking unopenable
[22:57]	MinceR	(video) (audio) https://nitter.net/obviousplant_/status/1408463786474819584#m
[22:57]	TR Bot	 obvious plant (@obviousplant_): "I found this commercial on an old VHS tape" | nitter
[22:57]	activelow	and of cause, they wouldn't know if i was vaccinated or not with whatever miracle boost tincture, because they didn't have access to any database
[22:58]	bnchs__	i like how a soda brand's water bottle is more unopenable than the soda brand's soda
[22:59]	activelow	to get vaccinated an appointment is mandatory, made online or by phone, and vaccination required personal ID with photo and medical record (vaccination book)
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[23:00]	activelow	so, they got both, all data of registered inhabitants, vaccination appointments, and of cause there wasn't any reason to be concerned about anything
[23:00]	bnchs__	discrimination against unvaccinated?
[23:01]	activelow	don't know yet
[23:01]	activelow	furthermore, the national parliament hasn't decided yet, about mandatory vaccination
[23:02]	activelow	although, mandatory measle vaccination was introduced year 2020 already, next one is the covid miracle boost, with three or four or five injections
[23:02]	psydroid8	mandatory vaccination means they'll come and arrest you, if you don't get vaccinated voluntarily?
[23:02]	activelow	don't know yet, potentially this is the sanctions: loosing the job, no traveling with public transport, no entrance into public offices
[23:03]	psydroid8	I got 2 vaccines last year after getting ill with this virus and they only caused me even more problems
[23:04]	activelow	i would have ignored it, if this stupid letter from the city major had not arrived today
[23:04]	bnchs__	you have to either: get vaccinated with the vaccines made by the corporations, that have many countries (who have signed the pfizer deal) as their legal support, and you aren't allowed to report any side effects
[23:04]	bnchs__	or lose your job
[23:05]	psydroid8	as for the booster thing I haven't made any appointment yet, because I believe it will only make me feel horrible again
[23:06]	activelow	i didn't make any test yet, no vaccination, no registration, none of this, and if i don't have to i won't
[23:07]	activelow	only asked the local "vaccination center", why "recommended" vaccines were not provided there, with consultation, such as pneumococcal among many others - no answer, and that's it as far as my individual responsibilities are concerned
[23:07]	activelow	of cause, i do not hold any biontech stocks, to capitalize upon, such as german government
[23:08]	MinceR	> you aren't allowed to report any side effects
[23:08]	MinceR	[citation needed]
[23:08]	bnchs__	yes you can, but it will most likely get blackholed
[23:12]	bnchs__	our last independent news channel was bought out by the government, turned into a public channel that only shills the king nowadays
[23:14]	bnchs__	i remember when they would report on anything, regardless of how weird it was (weebs and shit).
[23:17]	psydroid8	are there still independent media that are online?
[23:18]	psydroid8	news or otherwise
[23:18]	schestowitz	bnchs__: same in hungary and Web sites, IIRC
[23:18]	schestowitz	ask MinceR
[23:20]	bnchs__	news channels are better when you have to pay for them
[23:23]	psydroid8	the only moroccan channel that I know of and that is provided with the internet/cable subscription is something called M2, which has a mix of programmes in Arabic and the news in French
[23:23]	DaemonFC	The "free" ones are free because the advertisers are paying.
[23:23]	DaemonFC	And then the "news" you hear is advertisements, or at least censored to exclude any criticism of the advertisers.
[23:23]	bnchs__	psydroid8, it's 2M
[23:24]	psydroid8	oh, from right to left
[23:24]	bnchs__	and it's free on cable (because the government is paying for it)
[23:24]	psydroid8	or I don't know
[23:24]	bnchs__	and since the gov is paying for it, they can cherrypick the news
[23:25]	bnchs__	some of the days they don't report shit, because of how strict the gov is
[23:25]	bnchs__	so they play films or commercials all day
[23:27]	MinceR	the worst is when you pay for it and still get ads
[23:28]	bnchs__	2M did have commercials back when it was private, but it was only as a break, and they weren't obliged to follow the advertiser's rules
[23:30]	psydroid8	so things have become more strict in morocco too
[23:31]	psydroid8	what do all of these governments fear?
[23:32]	MinceR	people realizing that they don't need a government
[23:32]	MinceR	also, revolution
[23:32]	bnchs__	morocco has a king in charge, instead of voting and shit
[23:34]		*psydroid8 is in favour of revolution, but realised it could cause chaos in the aftermath
[23:34]	bnchs__	how do you do a revolution
[23:35]	bnchs__	when the cops have fire trucks and shit, while you only have signs and probably knives and less probably guns bought from the black market
[23:35]	bnchs__	they spray down protestors with firetrucks
[23:37]	psydroid8	it requires careful planning and execution and actual revolutionaries
[23:41]	psydroid8	people have become far too complacent and this is why governments have been able to take away more and more freedoms, often with the help of companies
[23:42]	bnchs__	people here are too dependent on facebook
[23:42]	bnchs__	and whatsapp and instagra
[23:43]	psydroid8	I think that is the case everywhere, but maybe more so in your country
[23:44]	psydroid8	Facebook has been losing users
[23:45]	psydroid8	but I don't know how to stay in touch with so many people in other ways
[23:45]	bnchs__	also mobile service providers have these special "social media" plans (thats basically a firewalled internet that you can only access social media)
[23:46]	psydroid8	we'll have to build our own decentralised networks but adoption is going to be big hurdle
[23:47]	SomeH4x0r	use social media to spread the word about other medium, make them switch
[23:47]	psydroid8	we don't seem to have such "social media" plans
[23:48]	psydroid8	the network effect usually causes them to stay
[23:48]	SomeH4x0r	they need to switch if they are "actual revolutionaries"
[23:48]	psydroid8	my relatives moved from WhatsApp to Signal 
[23:48]	bnchs__	inb4 it was shit, and people would rather pay for the internet plan rather than the "social media" plan, which grants them more freedom
[23:49]	SomeH4x0r	I'd not trust big services. In general.
[23:49]	psydroid8	I don't know how to get them to move to something else again
[23:49]	bnchs__	people only used it because MSPs made it unlimited if you paid for it once
[23:49]	SomeH4x0r	Signal as well. At least requires a phone number.
[23:49]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 12.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 258.71
[23:50]	bnchs__	MSPs also have these service clients in whatsapp, that's basically your SIM settings in a whatsapp conversation
[23:51]	psydroid8	I don't know if such plans exist in European countries too
[23:52]	SomeH4x0r	if by "European" you mean geographical, they exist in Ukraine
[23:52]	psydroid8	only geographical
[23:52]	bnchs__	smarter people have actually used the unlimited "social media" plan by hosting a VPN in some google cloud, and using it
[23:52]	bnchs__	so you get free unlimited internet
[23:53]	bnchs__	it's flawed and they should have removed the plans altogether
[23:53]	SomeH4x0r	a VPN? or a proxy? do you get access to internal Google network by using it?
[23:53]	bnchs__	a proxy
[23:53]	bnchs__	in the google cloud
[23:53]	bnchs__	since google is whitelisted in the plan
[23:53]	SomeH4x0r	is it paid?
[23:54]	bnchs__	bypassing social media plans
[23:54]	DaemonFC	Okay, dinner is ready to put in. Air fryer reuben sandwiches and baked potato skin with cheddar and bacon.
[23:54]	DaemonFC	Mmmmm
[23:55]	psydroid8	I'm also getting hungry now, even though it's already past midnight
[23:55]	bnchs__	5dh internet plan gets you 500mb
[23:55]	bnchs__	what do you think you can use that for
[23:57]	psydroid8	it's very little
[23:58]	AdmFubar	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220116/13472348298/texas-town-to-start-issuing-traffic-tickets-text-message.shtml
[23:58]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20220116/13472348298/texas-town-to-start-issuing-traffic-tickets-text-message.shtml
[23:58]	TR Bot	Town To Start Issuing Traffic Tickets By Text Message | Techdirt