●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, June 05, 2022 ●● ● Jun 05 [00:00] schestowitz " [00:00] schestowitz FR : Actuellement en phase de test. [00:00] schestowitz EN : Currently in testing. [00:00] schestowitz RU : [00:00] schestowitz " [00:01] XRevan86 A PeerTube instance. [00:01] *Broyal (~6d466451@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [00:02] schestowitz 6 years ago https://video.chalec.org/w/q6Yk1M62dFTaJuSmHzt6GV [00:02] TR Bot 20160416-R.M.Stallman-Choisy - Vido Chalec [00:03] DaemonFC Yes, but to get the latency down there's a lot of features of AAC that get turned off. [00:03] DaemonFC Like the bit reservoir. [00:03] DaemonFC At least iirc. [00:04] *XRevan86 doesn't know. [00:04] DaemonFC The bit reservoir requires looking into other frames to complete the data that goes over the part of the frame you're using. [00:04] DaemonFC Opus doesn't really need to do this because the bitrate is arbitrary. [00:06] XRevan86 I'd imagine that Opus would be a better fit for high-quality sound than anything else. [00:07] XRevan86 For low-latency maybe not. [00:07] DaemonFC https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/101.0/releasenotes/ [00:07] TR Bot Firefox 101.0, See All New Features, Updates and Fixes [00:07] TR News Malcom X - Richard Stallman https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Myz2djRFnxE [00:07] TR Bot Malcom X - Richard Stallman - Invidious [00:07] DaemonFC Another "major version bump" with nothing important. [00:07] XRevan86 Still one version behind Chromium :) [00:07] XRevan86 They're almost exactly one version apart. [00:07] DaemonFC One design goal of Opus was low algorithmic delay. [00:08] XRevan86 DaemonFC: But is it lower than SBC? [00:08] DaemonFC I think under the worst case situation, it's about 6% of the algorithmic delay of MP3 and about 1/3rd of xHE-AAC. [00:08] Broyal best codec is ogg [00:09] DaemonFC It would probably be imperceptibly different as far as compared with SBC. [00:09] Broyal its what pigs use [00:09] XRevan86 Broyal: OGG is not a codec at all, it's a container. [00:09] DaemonFC Where you really start running into aggravating delay problems is around 80 ms. [00:09] XRevan86 Broyal: Opus is conventionally packed into OGG. [00:09] DaemonFC So xHE-AAC, which allegedly competes with Opus, it's pushing into that boundary. [00:10] DaemonFC And you walk into another patent mess. [00:10] DaemonFC So there's really no reason to use it. [00:10] Broyal x265 is best video codec [00:10] XRevan86 Broyal: Better than AV1? [00:11] XRevan86 "Opus is conventionally packed into OGG" <- Also into Matroska as .webm [00:11] DaemonFC x265 is excruciatingly slow. [00:11] DaemonFC Like, if you want to rip a Blu Ray and convert, you need to leave the computer going all night, and that's with a beefy video card helping out. [00:12] Broyal i dont do rips :) [00:12] XRevan86 DaemonFC: Apparently AV1 is heavier to encode than HEVC. [00:13] Broyal you leave the computer going all night [00:13] Broyal who cares [00:13] XRevan86 But AV1 should be better overall. [00:14] XRevan86 Not only because it's royalty-free unlike H.265 :). [00:14] Broyal use a cloud encoder [00:15] Broyal upload it to yt and download it again as AV1 [00:15] *XRevan86 shrugs at this helpful advice. [00:16] Broyal doesnt yt rencodes your videos? [00:17] XRevan86 Obviously does. [00:17] Broyal i was shooting in the dark [00:17] DaemonFC Depends what you upload in. [00:18] DaemonFC If you upload WebM to begin with, it does not re-encode unless someone wants to view it in Safari or something. [00:18] DaemonFC I noticed that when I downloaded some videos that were obviously Opus to begin with. [00:18] DaemonFC For the audio codec. [00:19] Broyal https://onlinevideoconverter.com/ easy as 1234 [00:19] TR Bot Video Converter, Online Video Downloader, Screen Recorder - OnlineVideoConverter.com [00:19] XRevan86 What a useless discussion. [00:19] DaemonFC YouTube to MP3 rippers are the worst. [00:19] DaemonFC It can go from MP3 to Opus to MP3 again. [00:20] XRevan86 It's possible to get an .opus file with yt-dlp without any re-encoding whatsoever. [00:21] XRevan86 Directly, no manual ffmpeg use involved. [00:22] Broyal e are now mobile compatible! Access our website using any Android device to convert videos and download directly to your mobile phone or tablet. [00:22] Broyal no need to keep computer on all night [00:23] DaemonFC ffmpeg is a mess [00:23] XRevan86 It is? [00:23] DaemonFC Too many codecs that are redundant and half-finished. [00:24] schestowitz_TR2 so do't use them [00:25] Broyal What video formats do you support? We support conversions to most of the available media formats out there, which include .mp3, .m4a, .aac, .flac, .ogg, .wav, .wma, .mp4, .avi, .mpg, .wmv, .mov, .flv and .m4v. [00:25] DaemonFC They make "native codecs" and they aren't very good and they just get put in there and left. [00:25] DaemonFC And then you have to use the official one anyway, which is a plug-in. [00:28] Broyal there a bunch of online video convertersd [00:28] Broyal you just need a sumb terminal to use them [00:30] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/funny-pictures-5-30-22-16.jpg [00:30] schestowitz_TR2 hi Broyal [00:31] Broyal bro? [00:34] Broyal anyone seen topgun remake? [00:36] TR News Rare Interview With Richard Stallman (Uploaded Friday) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/04/richard-stallman-brazil/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/04/richard-stallman-brazil/ [00:37] TR Bot Rare Interview With Richard Stallman (Uploaded Friday) | Techrights [00:37] Broyal is it the Richard Stallman saga say? [00:38] schestowitz_TR2 not sure what that means... [00:38] schestowitz_TR2 I was trying to find as video of his talk in paris [00:38] schestowitz_TR2 last night [00:38] schestowitz_TR2 seems they still work o it.. [00:39] Broyal are you making a series? [00:39] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, Speaking of Arnold, The Terminator is one of my favorite movies. [00:39] DaemonFC Overall, I'm not a huge fan though, of him. [00:39] schestowitz_TR2 gn [00:39] Broyal Richard Stallman talks 0102 [00:40] DaemonFC Terminator and T2 should really be considered one movie. [00:40] DaemonFC The rest kind of suck. They keep starting things over or rehashing the same formula. [00:40] TR News Snow Leopard a Day Day 251 gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D251.jpg [00:41] TR News "I'm getting sick of my work. I don't think admin. work is right for me, so I guess I'll start looking for other things." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1654375222 [00:42] Broyal admin. work is the best you just sit back or work on your shit [00:42] TR News "Quite ironically, my family immigrated to Israel when I was a baby, and Israel is a pretty racist country (even among Jews). The situation is worse in the periphery, where poverty, crime and lack of education meet educated "fresh meat" with a foreign accent." gemini://gemini.dimakrasner.com/my-name-is-dima.gmi [00:43] DaemonFC MinceR, It's too bad that James Cameron and John Carpenter never got together and did anything. [00:44] TR News Better Gemini Search Results with Kennedy and Gemipedia gemini://gemi.dev/gemlog/2022-06-04-better-search-results.gmi [00:44] DaemonFC Carpenter had a lot of good ones too, like Escape From New York and The Thing. [00:44] TR News Covid tests are impossible for older folks gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-06-04.covid-tests.gmi [00:45] Broyal whats with this gemini links? are you trying to break the internet? [00:45] schestowitz_TR2 fixing it [00:45] schestowitz_TR2 get a gemini client [00:46] Broyal never [00:46] schestowitz_TR2 https://gemini.circumlunar.space/software/ [00:46] TR Bot Gemini software [00:46] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2021/04/28/joining-gemini-space/ [00:46] TR Bot Joining Gemini Space and Reading Over Encrypted Connection Without Unnecessary Clutter | Techrights [00:47] Broyal you like Gemini cause you cant encript your own site [00:48] schestowitz_TR2 techrights does https too [00:48] schestowitz_TR2 see you late [00:48] Broyal so why it says here connection not secure? [00:51] *matey (~matey@tfn9zfd6gs4qu.irc) has joined #techrights [00:51] Broyal bro [00:51] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PV3pe3ywnrY [00:51] TR Bot Cookie Monsta - Me Want Cookie (dubstep) - Invidious [00:52] Broyal dubstep you on crack? [00:52] matey NO JUST COOOOOOOOOOOOOOKIE [00:53] matey OM NOM NOM NOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM [00:53] matey RRMMRMRMRMR [00:54] matey /me thinks its funny that someone would just like dubstep then all of a sudden stop liking it [00:54] matey imo you either like it or you dont [00:54] matey if you only like what people tell you to like, when they tell you to like it, then you dont really like anything [00:54] matey youre just doing what youre told [00:54] matey "like this" [00:54] matey "okay!" [00:55] matey /me goes to look for debbia gibson dubstep [00:55] matey DEBSTEP [00:56] matey maybe the worlds not ready for that [00:56] Broyal who likes dubstep? [00:57] Broyal only the FBI likes dubstep so they can tell the criminals aprt [00:58] matey only the FBI likes dubstep <- okay so basically skillex is a federal agent then [00:58] matey cool [00:58] Broyal skillex is higher [00:58] Broyal must be nsa cia hls [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 53.23 [00:59] matey maybe just illuminati [00:59] matey skrilluminati [00:59] matey skrilluminatix [00:59] Broyal i recon you could fill up pages with acronyms [00:59] matey FBCINSA ● Jun 05 [01:00] Broyal who the fuck skillex? [01:00] matey its facebook+fbi+cia+nsa all rolled into one [01:00] MinceR (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/funny-pictures-6-3-22-12.jpg [01:00] matey FBCINSATI [01:00] matey facebook+fbi+cia+nsa+illuminati [01:00] Broyal interpol mossad [01:00] Broyal kgb [01:00] MinceR fsb [01:00] MinceR pla [01:00] matey M-O-U-S-E [01:01] MinceR K-I-S-S-I-N-G [01:01] matey MICKEY MOUSE [01:01] matey DONALD TRUMP! [01:01] matey MICKEY MOUSE [01:01] matey DONALD TRUMP! [01:01] matey ah gagagagagagagaga [01:01] DaemonFC LOL [01:02] matey who is popeye the sailors favourite popeye artist? [01:02] matey lady gagagagagagagagaga [01:02] MinceR :> [01:03] matey going for the dumbest joke ive ever told [01:03] matey thats right up there [01:03] DaemonFC Lister: "A great philosopher once said 'I am what I am." Rimmer: "That was Popeye the Sailor Man!" [01:03] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, Did you run into _any_ good speaker systems? [01:04] matey i found a shitty remix of fallen angel but its still not dubstep [01:04] DaemonFC I like the Bose so far. The bass can be a bit much. They recommend placing it 2 feet in front of a wall. [01:04] DaemonFC If you can't do that, you can tell it to put the bass in "reduced" mode. [01:04] matey before the internet went all mainstream, cult classics were classics BECAUSE they were shit [01:04] matey people dont understand [01:05] matey they were great, because they were terrible [01:05] matey the worst they were, the better [01:05] matey https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090190/ [01:05] TR Bot Toxic Avenger (1984) - IMDb [01:06] matey PETER DINKLAGE [01:06] matey that was so long ago, he probably didnt even know he was little yet [01:06] matey he was still a kid [01:06] matey unless he was even smaller [01:07] matey elijah wood? [01:07] matey he was alive? [01:07] matey was he like 2? [01:07] matey "after i got the part as oscar in ghostbusters ii" [01:07] matey no that was 2 years later [01:10] matey "A 98-pound nerd (Mark Torgl) from New Jersey lands in a vat of toxic waste and..." [01:10] matey somehow can tell the difference? [01:13] matey by comparison spiderman is just mr fancy pants [01:14] matey "oh so yer raydeeoactiv? dats great!" [01:15] matey "why6 dont ya climb up dis woool an kiss my ayss?" [01:16] Broyal matey is a MS waiting to happend [01:16] DaemonFC Probably the only person listening to Scissor Sisters on a Bose Wave. [01:16] matey anyway [01:17] matey in 1995 the supreme court determined that "de minimum" didnt apply to sampling [01:17] matey it applies to everything except music [01:17] matey funny that [01:17] matey nothing to do with selling out to labels [01:17] matey and where MERICA(tm) does wrong, the rest of the world tends to follow suit [01:17] matey tony blair [01:18] DaemonFC Tony B'Liar [01:18] matey thats why techno-rights is so important [01:18] matey we need the freedom to sample menudo [01:19] matey and make them not suck [01:19] matey with some great beats [01:20] Broyal LOL [01:22] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TNHZBSnEwdk [01:22] TR Bot Men at Work - Land down under (Dubstep Remix) - Invidious [01:24] matey i never thought id say this but the one with avicii is worse [01:26] matey s/minimum/minimus/ [01:26] matey i dont even know how i did that [01:28] DaemonFC we need the freedom to sample menudo [01:28] DaemonFC Walmart gave me some tripe and I gave it to someone else. [01:28] DaemonFC I ordered corned beef and the computer substituted tripe. [01:28] DaemonFC I got a refund but they still handed me the tripe. [01:29] matey YES!!!!! [01:29] matey the only thing that make dubstep better [01:29] matey klezmer! https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Swn0onEfSn4 [01:29] TR Bot Klezmer Step - Bradley [Dubstep] - Invidious [01:30] matey /me buys bigger speakers [01:30] MinceR FLA and Mick Gordon both made dubstep-ish stuff that's great [01:30] matey jokes aside ill look it up [01:31] matey good music is good music, no matter wtf theyre doing [01:31] Broyal anyone that likes dubstep should be outlawed [01:31] Broyal dubstep is prison music [01:32] matey if dubstep is prison music. whats [01:33] Broyal that what they used in that iraq prison [01:33] DaemonFC that what they used in that iraq prison [01:34] DaemonFC They used the Cookie Monster song too. [01:34] Broyal thats what i said [01:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [01:36] MinceR there's no accounting for taste [01:36] matey zero [01:36] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XpbwfWQcRFQ [01:36] TR Bot AZIS Mega MIX 2021 - Invidious [01:38] Broyal this channel must be runed by the KKK [01:38] DaemonFC https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-approved-tiktok-videos-wont-help-working-americans [01:38] TR Bot Biden-Approved TikTok Videos Wont Help Working Americans [01:38] DaemonFC "Even the TikTokers know the Biden administration thinks theyre stupid." [01:38] DaemonFC LOL [01:38] matey yes, roy is the grand high master [01:39] matey sorry! grand high main [01:39] matey manchester chapter [01:41] matey the kheap keyboard klan [01:42] DaemonFC "Psaki is often flippant when asked about problems plaguing Americans, once joking about the supply-chain tragedy of a treadmill delayed. Not exactly I feel your pain stuff, here. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg told MSNBC that if families bought electric vehicles, theyd "never have to worry about gas prices again. This was said in November, the same month Republican Glenn Youngkin was elected governor of [01:42] DaemonFC Virginiain whats been seen by many political observers as a predictor of the coming midterm elections." [01:42] matey in the same way that 4chan likes to pretend its far right, the kheap keyboard high main pretends to be far left [01:43] matey inventing pseudocommunist symbolistic nonsense to troll people who arent in on the joke [01:44] matey like the hammer and scythe, an emo/goth/faux marxist bar in manc opened by members [01:45] matey really they just like to get drunk and watch football, but they dress it up in all this soviet stuff [01:45] matey its hilarious [01:45] matey plus they all wear white facepaint and dark eyeshadow [01:46] matey and all their football/drinking songs sound like cradle of filth [01:46] matey and talk about how the working class will destroy west ham [01:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:47] MinceR i suspect imageboarders stopped pretending that long ago [01:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [01:48] MinceR they attracted and got replaced by actual fascists [01:48] matey i suspect imageboarders stopped pretending that long ago <- killing a bunch of people who didnt actually do anything is taking a joke farther than i would think was in good taste [01:48] matey i dont even think andy kaufman would take it that far [01:48] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [01:49] AdmFubar https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/S4104 [01:49] TR Bot NY State Senate Bill S4104A [01:49] matey "haha, funny joke" [01:49] matey no andy! bad! bad andy [01:49] matey "oh, very sorry" [01:49] MinceR "it's just a prank, bro" [01:49] matey hitler: "what? why is no one laughing?" [01:50] matey but ricky gervais could actually pull it off [01:50] matey "so nietzche, have you written anything lately?" [01:51] matey "im not sure i want to tell you now" [01:51] matey "oh cmon" [01:51] matey "ok, its called 'the gyppos, do we really need them?'" [01:52] matey its funny because france is germany AGAIN [01:52] matey /me is literally dancing to gypsy music right now [01:52] matey fuck macron and everyone who elected him [01:52] matey fuck macaroni too [01:53] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zWaymcVmJ-A [01:53] TR Bot Los Del Rio - Macarena (Bayside Boys Remix) - Invidious [01:55] matey rofl [01:55] matey "French President Says Putin Made Historic Error, Macron: Russia Should Not Be Humiliated" [01:55] matey what fucking good is parody anymore? [01:55] matey how is it supposed to compete with this? [01:56] matey its not a special operation, its a "historic error" [01:56] matey dont lets be beastly to pudding [01:56] matey hes really nice when you get to know him [01:57] Broyal sarkosi got drunk with putin [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 287.86 ● Jun 05 [02:01] matey sarkosi got drunk with putin <- but for some reason elon musk wont get high with him [02:02] Broyal putin doesnt do drugs [02:02] Broyal just vodka [02:02] Broyal wich isnt a drug [02:06] matey vodka isnt a drug if youre in russia [02:06] matey its safer to drink than tea [02:07] matey nooooooo, linus! http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/torvalds-2020.jpg [02:07] matey /me points to the ominous drink on the table [02:08] MinceR i'm pretty sure they can put additional poison on vodka too [02:08] matey they wouldnt! [02:08] matey is nothing sacred [02:09] MinceR to Ruscists? nothing except power [02:09] matey imagine if they put poison in the political power! [02:09] MinceR :> [02:10] MinceR maybe it's the "BUT your power is over humans" caveat [02:12] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=q4Ow69QWJmo [02:12] TR Bot The pellet with the poison's - The court jester - Invidious [02:12] *psydruid goes to [02:14] matey that song is awesome [02:15] matey is that angela lansbury? [02:17] psydruid hmm [02:18] psydruid I was told that it was actually written by Serbian songwriters [02:18] psydruid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUsjEdsUZW8 [02:18] TR Bot https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=uUsjEdsUZW8 [02:18] TR Bot inv.riverside.rocks | Dragan Kojic Keba - Ona to zna - GS 2012_2013 - 01.02.2013. EM 17 - (Tv Pink 2013) - Invidious [02:18] matey maybe cousins? [02:19] DaemonFC I should have gotten the 25 foot 3.5mm cable instead of the 20 foot. [02:19] psydruid they are neighboring countries, of course [02:19] DaemonFC The 20 foot makes it but has to come down off the ceiling at an angle. [02:20] psydruid Angela Lansbury from Murder She Wrote? [02:23] DaemonFC I used command strips to bring the 3.5 mm cable from the laptop to the Bose using the wall and ceiling. [02:24] matey yeah [02:24] MinceR command and conquer strips [02:24] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hIsmINWdkVQ [02:24] TR Bot "How'd You Like to Spoon With Me?" - Till The Clouds Roll By | Angela Lansbury (HD) - Invidious [02:35] *Broyal has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [02:37] matey they are neighboring countries, of course <- i like your version [02:38] matey its the horns that make it work obviously [02:38] matey without those theres no song [02:39] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oOm_2dGzqp0 [02:39] TR Bot Shaka Zulu vs Julius Caesar. Epic Rap Battles of History - Invidious [02:40] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-040622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-040622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-040622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-040622.txt [02:43] TR Bot IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, June 04, 2022 [02:47] TR News Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-06-04.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-06-04.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:50] DaemonFC Eh, as long as we aren't tripping over it and having to scoot it out of the way to vacuum the floor. [02:56] DaemonFC matey, I figure that if the cops complain about my stereo I can say "What about those Mexicans out there with the loudspeaker every weekend having a Quinceaera or something every week? You can hear them on Pluto.". [02:56] DaemonFC Might not work if I get the Mexican cop again. [02:57] DaemonFC "A girl turned 15. Let's shoot at a pinata!" [02:59] DaemonFC MinceR, Does Hungary have anything as ridiculous as that shit? [02:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 293.00 ● Jun 05 [03:00] MinceR well, some of the local savages like yelling loudly on the street often, some of them like pointlessly loud vehicles, and of course the cultists like to make noise every few hours [03:01] MinceR not that i notice that that much in the concrete box i live for half the year in budapest as the neighbors like to drill for hours anyway [03:01] DaemonFC Drill as in having sex? [03:01] MinceR no [03:01] MinceR drill as in making holes in concrete [03:01] DaemonFC LMAO [03:02] DaemonFC What happens when they run out of concrete that needs holes drilled in it for some reason? [03:02] MinceR i suspect every wall in that "apartment" looks like swiss cheese by now [03:02] MinceR or they take cement to the "apartment" regularly and make more concrete just so they have something to drill [03:02] DaemonFC Also possible. [03:02] MinceR but none of the above would take more than an Exterminatus to fix anyway [03:03] DaemonFC You should ask them if it would not be more exonomical to just rent a cement mixer and get things in bulk instead. [03:03] DaemonFC *economical [03:03] MinceR i don't care, i just want them to die slowly and painfully [03:05] matey some of them like pointlessly loud vehicles <- this is what got me onto cookie monster dubstep [03:05] MinceR i wonder if humans in other countries feel like their life has no purpose if they're not at least inconveniencing someone else every second, or if it's just hungarians [03:05] matey when i was drunk and a bunch of idiots were going by with their 1.5M diameter speakers and their supercharged engines spooling up [03:05] MinceR but i guess i'll have to find that out anyway unless i want to live officially in the russian federation soon [03:06] matey the engines made me think "hey! these cars sound just like cookie monster" [03:06] IPFS Gemini requests since start of month: 30138 total Total number of pages in capsule: 40955 Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-05-27 10:17:06 BST; 1 weeks 1 days ago [03:06] MinceR did their license plates go "zz-zz-zz" to the beat of the bass? [03:06] matey OHH! ME SPOOLING!!! COOOOKIEEEEE! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM! [03:06] MinceR if not, then they were doing it wrong [03:06] matey NOMMMM! NOMMMMM! NOOMMM!!! [03:07] matey i dont think as many people loosen the bolts on their license plates anymore [03:07] matey not when you can pay extra to simulate that with electronics [03:07] IPFS IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 246 MB TotalOut: 45 MB [03:07] MinceR no need to put effort into that, the noise takes care of it [03:07] MinceR if it's loud enough [03:08] MinceR they could dampen it if they wanted, but obviously audio quality doesn't matter in this case, only being obnoxiously and damagingly loud matters [03:08] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:09] matey i dont understand how people can have these systems and drive around without hearing protection and still have enough hearing to use a phone [03:09] MinceR maybe it is also loud and they scream into the microphone [03:10] matey unless its like a hard light hologram that physically nudges their eardrums i dont know how a phone could even work after all that [03:10] IPFS QmVFioEbqLtsexYUL3WTkFycceXHEqBmqYYFgdBPjTGwm8 [03:10] IPFS New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above. [03:11] matey maybe the people that put these systems in also soundproof the interior [03:11] matey but thats a good trick when you can see the windows are open [03:12] DaemonFC i don't care, i just want them to die slowly and painfully [03:12] DaemonFC No, no, you convince them to get the cement mixer and throw them in. [03:12] DaemonFC Make it look like an accident. [03:26] DaemonFC You don't need a license plate, insurance, or a driver's license in Illinois if you're an illegal immigrant. [03:26] DaemonFC It's still the law, but the judge is probably a Democrat that lets you go. [03:26] DaemonFC If he's not, the prosecutor might be. [03:58] *ciphrCat has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 284.28 [03:59] *cybrNaut has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Jun 05 [04:01] *techrights_guest|30 (~d16bc482@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [04:03] *ciphrCat (~ciphrCat@v75kd7krrqfvs.irc) has joined #techrights [04:05] *cybrNaut (~cybrNaut@freenode-tto.k1n.ssv8hv.IP) has joined #techrights [04:09] DaemonFC Gas hit $6.29 a gallon in Chicago today. 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [06:42] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, June 04, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [06:42] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [06:42] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [06:42] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [06:42] *Errr (~err@rcmcei2p3396g.irc) has joined #techrights [06:43] *ciphrCat (~ciphrCat@v75kd7krrqfvs.irc) has joined #techrights [06:43] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@yx6959ijksevu.irc) has joined #techrights [06:44] TR News The June 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165637 [06:44] TR Bot The June 2022 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine | Tux Machines [06:45] TR News Dr. Stallman gave a talk in French some hours ago (video is work in progress), but here is a video uploaded a day earlier; its from Brazil and it was recorded about 20 years ago http://techrights.org/2022/06/04/richard-stallman-brazil/ [06:45] TR Bot Rare Interview With Richard Stallman (Uploaded Friday) | Techrights [06:47] TR News PCLinuxOS Screenshot Showcase https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202206/page12.html [06:47] TR Bot PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 12 [06:49] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [06:53] *TEMP0 (~KiKi@rp469jyn989xe.irc) has joined #techrights [06:54] TR News PCLinuxOS Repo Review: Video Editors https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202206/page09.html [06:54] TR Bot PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 9 [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 211.85 ● Jun 05 [07:01] schestowitz https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202205/page12.html [07:01] schestowitz " [07:01] schestowitz First of all, I want to make it very clear that I am not in favor of war, under any circumstances. In the case of the Russia/Ukraine conflict, it is a situation that should be resolved between the two countries, without outside interference in any way. But, this is not what happened, and neither is it what is happening now. [07:01] schestowitz Unfortunately, the technology companies are playing a very ambiguous and mean-spirited role in this conflict, on the one hand trying to appear to promote peace, but in fact stirring up hatred. In my view of what is happening, it is a repeat of the Cuban missile crisis, only in reverse, in simple lines. [07:01] TR Bot PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 12 [07:01] schestowitz But now we have, in all the technology and communications companies, censorship and repression of anything concerning the conflict other than the official NATO version, that the Russian president is a mad aggressor. [07:01] schestowitz " [07:01] schestowitz today: [07:01] schestowitz https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202206/page05.html [07:01] schestowitz " [07:01] schestowitz Last month, we ran an article from Agent Smith that caused a shiitake mushroom storm. Quite literally. [07:01] schestowitz Agent Smith, a.k.a. Alessandro Ebersol, is a frequent contributor to The PCLinuxOS Magazine. He has stepped up to help produce exclusive content for The PCLinuxOS Magazine when virtually no one else would. He is passionate about battling the continuing and continued overreach of Big Tech. He is passionate about PCLinuxOS. He is passionate about gaming on PCLinuxOS. Living in Brazil, he sometimes has a different take on events than many of the other [07:01] TR Bot PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 5 [07:01] schestowitz people who volunteer for The PCLinuxOS Magazine. [07:01] schestowitz Out of the storm that developed from "that" article, it has become apparent that there are some significant misunderstandings or misconceptions about the magazine that need to be cleared up. [07:01] schestowitz That is the reason for this article. [07:01] schestowitz " [07:02] schestowitz Also: [07:02] schestowitz " [07:02] schestowitz Facebook allows hate messages against Russians [07:02] schestowitz In times when users and experts are clamoring for more efficient content moderation on social networks, Meta Platforms has made a controversial decision. Last March, it decided to allow hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel on Facebook and Instagram. [07:02] schestowitz YouTube censors Russia Today and Sputnik channels [07:02] schestowitz Google has decided to censor the Kremlin-linked channels Russia Today (RT) and Sputnik. The tech giant will cut the reach of these publications in Europe during the Ukraine War, with the excuse of preventing the spread of fake news from the Kremlin. However, this decision, since most people nowadays inform themselves through YouTube or via Google News, creates mass disinformation and no chance for contradiction, which creates a spirit of Russian [07:02] schestowitz phobia. Yes, the media is instilling hatred for the Russian people and everything related to Russia. [07:02] schestowitz " [07:02] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:02] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@yx6959ijksevu.irc) has joined #techrights [07:03] matey hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel <- uhh [07:03] matey how the FUCK is that "hate speech" when its against officials? [07:03] matey oh, the coc is a joke, right [07:04] *Red_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [07:04] matey no being anti-authority [07:04] matey happiness is mandatory [07:04] matey illegal wars are NICE [07:04] matey criticing war is "hate" [07:04] matey how far does this go? [07:04] matey dont make fun of mr hitler, you bigot [07:04] matey /me takes down all the downfall parodies [07:05] matey the terrorists won s/terrorists/fucking idiots/ [07:05] matey "hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel" [07:05] matey theres no such fucking thing [07:05] TR News Calling for DE-ESCALATION in Ukraine causes shitstorm. "Out of the storm that developed from "that" article, it has become apparent that there are some significant misunderstandings or misconceptions about the magazine that need to be cleared up."https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202206/page05.html this article https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202205/page12.html [07:05] TR Bot PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 5 [07:05] TR Bot PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 12 [07:06] matey even when its against actually underrepresented groups [07:06] matey the term "hate speech" is so inspecific to the point of uselessness that the supreme court of the united states cant be arsed with it [07:06] matey because of the first amendment [07:07] matey inciting violence? rules for that [07:07] matey threats? fraud? rules for that [07:07] matey defamation? tricky! but rules for that [07:07] matey "hate"-- what the fuck is that? [07:07] matey i hate illegal wars [07:07] matey free speech exists precisely so you can say that sort of thing [07:07] matey i hate corrupt officials [07:08] matey if you cant critciise the fucking government, free speech is TRULY broken [07:08] TR News "The past week has been fairly slow in additions of verified/playable games for the Steam Deck, following the previous 3100 games milestone. There are now more than 3200 games validated (3222 games to be precise at the time of publication) on the Steam Deck in two categories..." https://boilingsteam.com/3200-games-steam-deck-verified/ [07:08] matey "hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel" [07:08] TR Bot 3200 Games On The Steam Deck with Ender Lilies and Divinity Original Sin 2 as Verified - Boiling Steam [07:08] matey WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THAT? [07:09] matey also fuck torvalds, zemlin and the entire linux fund... ation [07:09] matey if you dont want "hate speech" [07:09] matey heres an idea-- STOP FUCKING MURDERING PEOPLE [07:09] matey you cunts [07:10] schestowitz_TR2 I don't read it like you [07:10] schestowitz_TR2 I know the guy [07:10] matey you dont read anything properly [07:10] schestowitz_TR2 he's a longtime techrights areader [07:10] matey i know him too [07:10] matey yeah i actually like him [07:10] schestowitz_TR2 he just said doi not hate Russians in general [07:10] schestowitz_TR2 like XRevan86 [07:11] schestowitz_TR2 and like Lula, his former president, he thinks they need to pursue a peaceful end to it [07:11] matey i wasnt aware that xrevan86 was a "russian official" or "military personnel" [07:11] matey you must have read it in some way that missed that part [07:11] schestowitz_TR2 matey: did he say hate towards russian officials should end? [07:11] matey even while quoting it [07:12] matey thats why i quoted it a few more times [07:12] schestowitz_TR2 "Yes, the media is instilling hatred for the Russian people and everything related to Russia" [07:12] matey i didnt comment on the parts that dont bother me [07:12] matey does that somehow cancel out the other thing he said? if so, why did he say "hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel" [07:12] schestowitz_TR2 checking for "hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel" [07:13] matey 06:02 In times when users and experts are clamoring for more efficient content moderation on social networks, Meta Platforms has made a controversial decision. Last March, it decided to allow hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel on Facebook and Instagram. [07:13] schestowitz_TR2 I see it now [07:13] matey 06:02 In times when users and experts are clamoring for more efficient content moderation on social networks, Meta Platforms has made a controversial decision. Last March, it decided --> to allow hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel <-- on Facebook and Instagram. [07:13] schestowitz_TR2 he talks aboyt FB policy is issuing death wishes or threats [07:14] schestowitz_TR2 like "Assassinate this and that person" [07:14] matey so you cant hope that the people murdering people die first? [07:14] schestowitz_TR2 so it is allowed against Russians [07:14] schestowitz_TR2 but gets you in trouble if you say it against SU war criminalks [07:14] schestowitz_TR2 basically FB double standards [07:14] matey but gets you in trouble if you say it against SU war criminalks <- imo they should just make it ok to hope any war criminal dies [07:15] matey just like mincer hopes people making a public nuisance do [07:15] matey which everyone hopes (a little) sometimes, even if they (most) hardly mean it [07:15] matey mincer might actually mean it (though im not sure even of that) [07:16] *TEMP0 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:16] matey people in the highly-pc west seem oblivious to the fact that many cultures are far more casual about this [07:16] TR News This Week in Linux 200: Inkscape, NixOS, Linux Mint, PulseAudio, GNOME Shell on Mobile and more Linux news! https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/this-week-in-linux/twil-200/ [07:16] TR Bot Inkscape, NixOS, Linux Mint, PulseAudio, GNOME Shell on Mobile and more Linux news! - This Week in Linux - TuxDigital [07:17] matey theres a funny song on youtube where a girl says her day is boring, and her friend decides to leave instead of listening to her moaning [07:17] matey so her friend says "fine, go and die" [07:17] matey no one in their right mind would think she actually meant it [07:17] matey but moderators want zero-tolerance policies for robots [07:18] matey zero tolerance policies are one of the dumbest things humanity ever came up with [07:18] matey they simply do not work [07:18] TR News John Goerzen: Visiting Germany: Reflections on Schloss Charlottenburg https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10375-visiting-germany-reflections-on-schloss-charlottenburg http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Berlin-in-Winter/West-Side/20181218_134642 [07:18] TR Bot Visiting Germany: Reflections on Schloss Charlottenburg | The Changelog [07:18] TR Bot 20181218 134642 [07:18] matey they might as well be called excess stupidity policies [07:18] matey "our excess stupidity policy forbids this" [07:19] matey "but all i said was 'hi everyone im from memphis' [07:19] matey "well you cant say that here [07:19] matey "memphis?" [07:19] matey "i fucking live there" [07:19] matey "i bet i cant say that either" [07:19] matey "no, you can say fucking, you just cant say memphis" [07:19] matey "hey, now you said it" [07:20] matey "right, and im issuing a ban to myself right now" [07:20] schestowitz_TR2 iirc, twitter banned people for that word [07:20] schestowitz_TR2 and just that word [07:20] matey thats why its funny [07:20] schestowitz_TR2 was there some riot planned there? [07:20] matey where you are you from? [07:20] matey memphis [07:20] schestowitz_TR2 banned [07:20] matey "look, just because i say 'jehovah'" [07:20] schestowitz_TR2 twitter lost a lot of useds [07:20] schestowitz_TR2 lots [07:21] schestowitz_TR2 matey: you can WRITE it [07:21] schestowitz_TR2 but don't READ it [07:21] matey /me covers the screen while typing [07:21] schestowitz_TR2 a lightening strike would hit you [07:21] matey write-only tweeting [07:22] matey makes you wonder how the jehovahs witnesses survive [07:22] matey they say jehovah a lot [07:22] matey maybe they got a permission slip? [07:22] schestowitz_TR2 twitter does not let you read either [07:22] schestowitz_TR2 it pushes you to read angst [07:22] matey or maybe its fine as long as you add the s [07:22] matey "jehovahs" [07:22] schestowitz_TR2 celebs, controversy [07:22] schestowitz_TR2 not people you actually used to "follow" [07:22] schestowitz_TR2 twitter is a "burning platform" [07:22] schestowitz_TR2 even musk was never truly interested in it [07:23] matey its not licked yet [07:23] schestowitz_TR2 pumped and dumped it [07:23] matey pumped and dumped it <- i find that sexist and misogynist and blah blah blah [07:23] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/wiki/Twitter [07:23] TR Bot Twitter - Techrights [07:23] matey tweetist! [07:23] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/wiki/High-Priority_Opponents [07:23] TR Bot High-Priority Opponents - Techrights [07:23] matey i dont know what tweetist means but it sounds bad and i bet what you said is tweetist [07:24] schestowitz_TR2 "she was such a xxxxx person. she wrote such xxxx TWEETS..." [07:24] schestowitz_TR2 "he was a xxxx politicans. He has XXXX FOLLOWERS in Twitter" [07:25] schestowitz_TR2 those platforms are the "metaverse" [07:25] schestowitz_TR2 a fake society [07:25] schestowitz_TR2 with fake friends [07:25] schestowitz_TR2 and a fake circle [07:25] schestowitz_TR2 and then they go offline [07:25] schestowitz_TR2 or you take the mask/headset off [07:26] schestowitz_TR2 [12:06] "I used to be hung up on post counts, for some reason. On my ten year sludge through Twitter (2009-2019 (years lost forever)), [07:26] schestowitz_TR2 [12:06] I used to get worked up and enthusiastic about that I had 75K Tweets. It was a testament to how much time I wasted there, but i [07:26] schestowitz_TR2 [12:06] t was 75K of SOMETHING I had "done". Ridiculous thing to care about." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/992 [07:26] schestowitz_TR2 [12:06] It was a testament to how much time I wasted there" -----> I posted 951k [07:27] TR News Markdown and Gemtext gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220604_markdown_gemtext [07:28] TR News Unifont 14.0.04 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165638 [07:28] TR Bot Unifont 14.0.04 Released | Tux Machines [07:38] TR News FEX 2206 Tagged! https://fex-emu.org/FEX-2206/ [07:38] TR Bot FEX 2206 Tagged! FEX-Emu A fast linux usermode x86 and x86-64 emulator [07:42] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165639 [07:42] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [07:45] *TEMP0 (~KiKi@maai43v9gd28u.irc) has joined #techrights [07:46] schestowitz_TR2 hi TEMP0, new nickname? [07:46] matey i hope they dont have oil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemune [07:46] TR Bot Kemune - Wikipedia [07:46] TR News Games: Psychonauts 2, 3200 Games on Steam Deck, FEX 2206 Tagged Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165640 [07:46] TR Bot Games: Psychonauts 2, 3200 Games on Steam Deck, FEX 2206 Tagged | Tux Machines [07:46] matey new labour is trying very hard to relive its past while pretending its the future [07:47] matey we dont want them phoning ellon and asking if george can come out to play [07:47] matey ellen [07:48] matey i think i just created a talk show host billionaire nutjob hybrid [07:48] TEMP0 cant change nick [07:48] schestowitz_TR2 I see... [07:48] matey just what we need, self-dancing cars [07:48] schestowitz_TR2 I still cannopt believe they push face rce everywhehere [07:48] schestowitz_TR2 and "self-driving" or autonomous cars [07:48] schestowitz_TR2 those would work IF [07:49] schestowitz_TR2 you are in a controlled environment like a warehouse [07:49] schestowitz_TR2 and even then you might want a human operator/supervisor [07:49] schestowitz_TR2 in case exceptions occur and context is needed [07:49] schestowitz_TR2 like if there's a leak or a shelf collapses [07:50] matey i think the solution is pretty obvious [07:50] schestowitz_TR2 who ever said we needed voting machines? [07:50] matey attach a flying reindeer to the front of each one to guide it [07:50] matey problem solved [07:51] schestowitz_TR2 even a reindeer would be an improvment [07:51] schestowitz_TR2 they have survival instincts [07:51] TR News PCLinuxOS Articlea of Interest Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165641 [07:51] TR Bot PCLinuxOS Articlea of Interest | Tux Machines [07:51] schestowitz_TR2 oops, typo [07:52] matey not if the reindeer is working without a script [07:52] matey and i think thats most reindeer [07:52] matey even mr ed worked without a script, they just gave him peanut butter and told him to ad lib [07:53] matey you can lead a horse to writing but you cant make him read [07:54] matey jim henson had a few ideas but they banned him from the set [07:55] schestowitz https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/200609/page02.html [07:55] TR Bot PCLinuxOS Magazine - HTML [07:55] schestowitz troll: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PwrHXiPZT3Y [07:56] TR Bot Richard Stallman Death, Richard Stallman has passed away, Richard Stallman has died - Invidious [07:57] schestowitz "For the news posts/links: I have many feeds in Akregator and many, many bookmarks. I try to hit the bookmarks at least once a day and refresh the feeds several times a day. I check some web search engines a couple of times a day as well. Basically, it's a lot of virtual leg-work." [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 05 [08:00] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:08] TR News Old: "Why is Vista still flawed and why is it taking so long to bring to fruition? The Vista concept (Longhorn) came about before Windows XP was released and is (if I'm not mistaken) based on the NT kernel like Windows 2000 and XP." https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/200609/page03.html [08:08] TR Bot PCLinuxOS Magazine - HTML [08:22] TR News http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/software-patents-perish/ [08:22] TR Bot Links 05/06/2022: Unifont 14.0.04, More Software Patents Perish | Techrights [08:24] TR News 11 Best Free and Open Source Audio Analyzers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165642 [08:24] TR Bot 11 Best Free and Open Source Audio Analyzers | Tux Machines [08:24] TR News Shows: This Week in Linux and Wayland Rant Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165643 [08:24] TR Bot Shows: This Week in Linux and Wayland Rant | Tux Machines [08:27] TR News Links 05/06/2022: Unifont 14.0.04, More Software Patents Perish | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/software-patents-perish/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/software-patents-perish/ [08:31] TR News The Register has unveiled their "cynic's guide to desktop Linux," which they ultimately concede is a snarky yet affectionate list of "the least bad distros." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165451#comment-33882 [08:31] TR Bot The cynic's guide to desktop Linux | Tux Machines [08:38] TR News IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 04, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/irc-log-040622/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/irc-log-040622/ [08:38] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 04, 2022 | Techrights [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 05 [09:11] TR News IBM: please test our kernels, see if that breaks https://fedoramagazine.org/contribute-at-the-fedora-linux-37-test-week-for-kernel-5-18/ [09:11] TR Bot Contribute at the Fedora Linux 37 Test Week for Kernel 5.18 - Fedora Magazine [09:13] *psydruid wonders if anyone still reports any bugs for Fedora at all [09:28] schestowitz_TR2 ibm reports it to ibm [09:28] schestowitz_TR2 their staff to other staff [09:28] schestowitz_TR2 in the open [09:28] schestowitz_TR2 the "open org" [09:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [09:30] TR News Cheetah a Day Day 606: yaaaaaaaaaawn gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D606.jpg [09:31] TR News "I started my new job on Wednesday June 1st. That was absolutely delightful in every way; this tale is about what happened afterwards." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-06-05-the-tale-of-the-wednesday-ordeal.gmi [09:32] TR News ANN: bombadillo fork with spartan: "Just thought you guys would like to know that I have forked the bombadillo terminal browser to incorporate the spartan protocol. Uploads are not yet supported." gemini://blinkyshark.chickenkiller.com/2022-06-05-ann-bombo-fork.gmi [09:33] TR News A conditionally transforming combinato gemini://idiomdrottning.org/conditional-transformation [09:39] TR News FALSE: "Its wild how the Bush family has basically no power now" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi ● Jun 05 [10:42] TR News "But I didnt like the fact that they just gave you a random payphone, so I started perusing Ebay." https://bert.org/2022/06/02/payphone/ | Source: Bertrand Fan [10:42] TR Bot Installing a payphone in my house | bertrand fan [10:42] TR News "About a decade ago, things started to change." https://blog.iconfactory.com/2022/06/worldwideweb-part-2/ | [10:42] TR Bot WorldWideWeb, Part II The Breakroom [10:42] TR News "The Internet lost a hero this week. Ned Freed and I were in our early thirties when we met." http://theviewfromguppylake.blogspot.com/2022/05/remembering-ned-freed-1959-2022.html | [10:43] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://theviewfromguppylake.blogspot.com/2022/05/remembering-ned-freed-1959-2022.html ) [10:43] TR News 'Casual' Surveillance: "The commissioner's report, which was published Wednesday morning, states that Tim Hortons collected granular location data" https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tim-hortons-app-report-1.6473584 | Source: CBC [10:43] TR Bot Tim Hortons app tracked too much personal information without adequate consent, investigation finds | CBC News [10:43] psydruid https://www.linux.org/threads/this-is-not-good-for-linux-below-the-os-security-from-intel.40498/ [10:43] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.linux.org/threads/this-is-not-good-for-linux-below-the-os-security-from-intel.40498/ ) [10:44] TR News "Seeed Studio is offering a STM32 based LoRa CAN with support for CAN 2.0 (up to 1Mb/s) and CAN-FD (up to 5Mb/s) protocols" https://linuxgizmos.com/seeedstudio-lora-e5-can-dev-board-goes-on-pre-order-for-39-90/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [10:44] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/seeedstudio-lora-e5-can-dev-board-goes-on-pre-order-for-39-90/ ) [10:44] TR News "Ronetix has recently released a large System on Module portfolio based on NXP processors" https://linuxgizmos.com/ronetix-i-mx8m-based-compact-soms-solutions/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [10:44] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/ronetix-i-mx8m-based-compact-soms-solutions/ ) [10:45] TR News "Wine is the compatibility layer that allows you to run games and applications developed for Windows - on Linux (plus also macOS and BSD)." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165623#comment-33884 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/wine-710-rolls-out-with-56-bug-fixes/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [10:45] TR Bot The Wine development release 7.10 is now available. | Tux Machines [10:45] TR Bot 7.10 rolls out with 56 bug fixes | GamingOnLinux [10:46] TR News iophk: I presume the sound bar was running undocumented linux http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-030622.html#tJun%2003%2000:29:17 [10:46] TR Bot IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, June 03, 2022 [10:46] TR News iophk: those warnings came in the 1990s, but the community stopped fighting it by 2010 and thereby ceded the net gemini://midnight.pub/posts/994 [10:46] schestowitz x https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/21671-3-4-million-pirates-in-the-nordics-mediavision.html [10:46] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/21671-3-4-million-pirates-in-the-nordics-mediavision.html ) [10:46] schestowitz # disinfo being propagated [10:46] TR News Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The Matrix https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-matrix Source: smbc-comics [10:46] TR Bot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The Matrix [10:47] TR News slackware https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-uk%27s-future-4175709628/page2.html [10:47] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-uk%27s-future-4175709628/page2.html ) [10:47] TR News "Alma Linux OS is a free and open source Linux distribution which is built on from RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) source code." https://www.linuxbuzz.com/how-to-install-almalinux-9-step-by-step/ | [10:47] TR Bot How to Install AlmaLinux 9 Step-by-Step with screenshots [10:48] TR News "Dozens of pirate IPTV suppliers and illegal streaming sites may be facing anti-piracy disruption in the weeks and months ahead." https://torrentfreak.com/dozens-of-pirate-iptv-streaming-sites-face-potential-ace-mpa-disruption-220604/ | Source: Torrent Freak [10:48] TR Bot of Pirate IPTV & Streaming Sites Face Potential ACE/MPA Disruption * TorrentFreak [10:48] TR News "Reddit has warned the U.S. Copyright Office that upload filters would harm free expression and creativity." https://torrentfreak.com/reddit-warns-u-s-that-upload-filters-threaten-free-expression-and-creativity-220604/ | Source: Torrent Freak [10:48] TR Bot Warns U.S. That Upload Filters Threaten Free Expression and Creativity * TorrentFreak [10:50] TR News Patents kill https://fair.org/home/media-fail-to-raise-alarm-over-deadly-lack-of-booster-shots-in-elderly/ | Source: FAIR [10:50] TR Bot Media Fail to Raise Alarm Over Deadly Lack of Booster Shots in Elderly - FAIR [10:52] TR News "TFT technology might be ancient news for monitors and TVs, but its alive and well when it comes to hobbyist electronics and embedded devices." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/04/universal-tft-display-backpack-helps-small-displays-shine/ | Source: Hackaday [10:52] TR Bot TFT Display Backpack Helps Small Displays Shine | Hackaday [10:53] *Red (~Red@freenode-vq3.aj5.jaj210.IP) has joined #techrights [10:53] *Red is now known as Redfoxmoon [10:54] TR News "[Robo] over at Tiny Transistor Labs has a fascinating look at whats inside these modern, ultra low-power devices that consume absolutely minuscule amounts of current." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/04/gaze-inside-these-nanopower-op-amps/ | Source: Hackaday [10:54] TR Bot Inside These Nanopower Op-Amps | Hackaday [10:56] TR News DIY Keyboard https://hackaday.com/2022/06/04/diy-keyboard-cant-get-much-smaller/ | Source: Hackaday [10:56] TR Bot Keyboard Cant Get Much Smaller | Hackaday [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 05 [11:00] DaemonFC schestowitz, https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/business/money-report/heres-the-email-elon-musk-sent-all-tesla-employees-about-10-headcount-reduction/2849069/ [11:00] TR Bot Heres the Email Elon Musk Sent All Tesla Employees About 10% Headcount Reduction NBC Chicago [11:00] DaemonFC Failing company. [11:00] schestowitz_TR2 yes, I mentioned thios [11:00] schestowitz_TR2 and said the same [11:00] DaemonFC " Tesla is cutting 10% of salaried employees CEO Elon Musk wrote in an e-mail to all employees there on Friday. [11:00] DaemonFC Tesla shares dropped 8% on news of the headcount reduction at Tesla. [11:00] DaemonFC On Friday, President Joe Biden was asked about Elon Musk's negative economic outlook and said Tesla may be cutting back but Ford and others were ramping up." [11:01] DaemonFC I mentioned that Tesla is blaming the economy, but GM and Ford were adding jobs. [11:01] DaemonFC Ford is on a hiring binge, even in Illinois, which is infamously bad for business, although nowhere near as bad as California. [11:01] schestowitz [08:50] Tesla is failing https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/03/lots-luck-his-trip-moon-biden-says-musks-job-cuts-tesla | Source: Common Dreams [11:01] TR Bot 'Lots of Luck on His Trip to the Moon,' Biden Says of Musk's Job Cuts at Tesla [11:01] DaemonFC Musk picked the second worst business environment in the company and put his main factory there. California. LOL [11:02] DaemonFC The only place he could have opened that has more job killing government policies in New Jersey. [11:02] DaemonFC *country [11:02] schestowitz [23:23] Tesla will fail and will lose money because "real" car companies make EVs and they don't cost a leg https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/ford-announces-%243.7-billion-in-midwest-ev-plants [11:02] schestowitz those are weekend links [11:02] DaemonFC Why in God's name would you put a factory in California? [11:03] schestowitz tesla is a joke [11:03] DaemonFC They don't want jobs. They were trying to shut down the sriracha sauce guy because a few people complained that they could smell it. They were trying to chase over 700 jobs out. [11:03] schestowitz losing money for many years [11:03] schestowitz overstaffed [11:03] schestowitz 110000 (soon less) workers [11:03] schestowitz to makes less than a million cars [11:03] schestowitz do the economics [11:03] schestowitz musk paints dissenting staff as terrorists [11:04] schestowitz so that media will ignore them [11:04] DaemonFC A million a year? [11:04] schestowitz while he wants to buy twitter [11:04] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:04] schestowitz no [11:04] schestowitz not a million a year [11:04] DaemonFC LOL [11:04] schestowitz a million all in all [11:04] schestowitz those do not exist here [11:04] DaemonFC Even a million a year, <10 cars per worker per year is pretty bad. [11:04] schestowitz i saw a tesla here twice [11:04] schestowitz i think ikt was the same one [11:04] schestowitz i.e. one car [11:05] DaemonFC All the real car companies do better than 9-10 cars a year per worker in their headcount. [11:05] schestowitz maybe the californians see it as symbol status [11:05] schestowitz status sym,bol [11:05] schestowitz tesla is one b ig fake [11:05] schestowitz fake valuation [11:05] schestowitz musk should pay to say he is the FLOUNDER [11:05] schestowitz not founder [11:06] DaemonFC "Biden said that while Elon Musk is talking about economic fears and reductions, Ford is increasing their investment in building new electric vehicles, with 6,000 new, union employees in the midwest." [11:07] schestowitz_TR2 musks says [11:07] schestowitz_TR2 bill says [11:07] schestowitz_TR2 trump says [11:07] DaemonFC Yeah, Musk said he'd let his employees vote to unionize and he'd get out of the way and wouldn't try to harass them. That would be out of character. [11:07] schestowitz_TR2 there is journalism for you [11:07] schestowitz_TR2 i saw some musk says pieces last nigt [11:07] schestowitz_TR2 refused to even link to themma [11:07] schestowitz_TR2 appeal to fake authority [11:07] schestowitz_TR2 scams and frauds [11:07] schestowitz_TR2 and perverts, too [11:08] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, The most cringeworthy line in Star Trek: Enterprise is when Cmdr. Tucker names all of the great inventors and put Elon Musk in the same sentence as Zefram Cochrane (the man who invented warp drive in the Star Trek timeline.....). [11:09] DaemonFC I heard it and was like "LOL!". [11:09] schestowitz_TR2 biden seems to misundeerstand his role [11:09] schestowitz_TR2 like he's a face for wallstreet and oligarchs [11:09] schestowitz_TR2 instead of helping to defne voters [11:09] schestowitz_TR2 frrom wallsteert gred and oligarchs [11:09] DaemonFC The Cult of Musk. [11:09] DaemonFC Shows you the writers had no idea what the guy really was. [11:10] schestowitz_TR2 paid plugs [11:10] schestowitz_TR2 gates did the same [11:10] schestowitz_TR2 they use similar tactics [11:10] schestowitz_TR2 myth-making [11:12] TR News Tails 5.1 Anonymous-OS Improves the Tor Connection Assistant, Fix Clock, Updates to Tor 0.4.7.7 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165644 [11:12] DaemonFC Worst line in Star Trek history. [11:13] DaemonFC At least the line the UK censored about Northern Ireland throwing them out was a possibility. [11:13] DaemonFC The idea of Musk being hailed as a great inventor in the 22nd century is laughable. [11:15] DaemonFC The military having to occupy its own country and facing an insurgency, like Iraq. [11:15] DaemonFC And then they think censoring a TV show is going to fix their problems. [11:16] TR News Readjusting for the Coming Decade | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/techrights-vs-misconceptions/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/techrights-vs-misconceptions/ [11:17] schestowitz_TR2 mmusk is a very fake person [11:17] schestowitz_TR2 inauthentic like gates [11:17] schestowitz_TR2 outwards, he fakes his appearanced [11:17] schestowitz_TR2 lots of butchering, hair plugs etc but that's nopt what matteers [11:17] schestowitz_TR2 he compoosed a fake list of achievements [11:17] schestowitz_TR2 while gates pretends to be expert in everything [11:18] schestowitz_TR2 by bribing the media to give this impression [11:18] schestowitz_TR2 they are both con men [11:18] schestowitz_TR2 and worse, criminals [11:18] DaemonFC He has people brief him on what to say and then pays "news" outlets to not go off the script. [11:18] schestowitz_TR2 though musk's crimes are less severe [11:18] DaemonFC So, like, you could do that with me and make me look like a nuclear power expert. [11:18] schestowitz_TR2 like plundering accounts [11:18] DaemonFC Or a vaccine expert. [11:19] schestowitz_TR2 shareholder yes [11:19] DaemonFC Then people would go like "Okay, this guy has it all figured out. He should be running this!". [11:19] schestowitz_TR2 who is taught to memorise lines [11:19] schestowitz_TR2 and use thbe media for stock manipulation [11:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [11:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [11:33] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, One state has passed a homeless criminalization bill comparable to Boris Johnson's. [11:34] DaemonFC Tennessee. It goes into effect next month and makes rough sleeping a felony. [11:34] DaemonFC So the state can't afford to give them housing, but it can afford $300,000 to put one of them in prison for 6 years? [11:34] DaemonFC Very interesting. [11:36] *TEMP0 has quit (connection closed) [11:36] *TEMP0 (~KiKi@zfa92tqnvj6ue.irc) has joined #techrights [11:36] DaemonFC "People have been complaining about all the homeless, which is getting to be a bigger problem, you know." [11:37] DaemonFC Lots of victims of the "booming economy" that's "favorable to workers". Great Resignation. [11:38] DaemonFC The Republicans want to put them in prison. The Democrats send the cops out to trash their stuff and beat them up. [11:44] *TEMP0 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:44] *TEMP0 (~KiKi@zfa92tqnvj6ue.irc) has joined #techrights [11:44] *TEMP0 is now known as kiki-- [11:44] *kiki-- has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:54] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/complaint-mcdonalds-knowingly-served-muslim-family-bacon/ [11:54] DaemonFC Bacon on a filet-o-fish sounds pretty good come to think of it. [11:55] DaemonFC I might play around with that. [11:56] DaemonFC "Filet-o-Fish...no tartar sauce...add big mac sauce....add four slices bacon...add pickle, lettuce and tomato." [11:56] DaemonFC big mac sauce might make a decent fish sandwich topping. [11:56] DaemonFC It's mostly thousand island dressing and pickle relish. ● Jun 05 [12:02] TR News This article is insane!! What has she been smoking? https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2022/06/01/149339/id=149339/ [12:24] schestowitz_TR2 Tennessee. It goes into effect next month and makes rough sleeping a felony. [12:24] schestowitz_TR2 url? [12:24] schestowitz_TR2 rough sleeping is not a felony here [12:27] DaemonFC Under the "policing bill" it will be. [12:27] schestowitz_TR2 url? [12:27] DaemonFC https://www.npr.org/2022/05/26/1101434831/public-camping-felony-tennessee-homeless-seek-refuge [12:28] schestowitz_TR2 uk? [12:28] schestowitz_TR2 public camping is tents [12:28] DaemonFC Not necessarily. [12:28] schestowitz_TR2 like squatters in ph [12:28] schestowitz_TR2 they get vacated [12:28] DaemonFC The way the bill is written, sleeping on the ground somewhere is a felony even without a tent. [12:29] schestowitz_TR2 us has tent cities [12:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [12:30] DaemonFC Yeah, the Tennessee bill could have been construed as making a felon of anyone who falls asleep in a public park. [12:30] DaemonFC So the cops have to give you 24 hours warning and then they can arrest you if they come back the next day and you're still there. [12:32] schestowitz_TR2 sounds like nothing new [12:33] schestowitz_TR2 but it is not rouugh sleeping [12:33] schestowitz_TR2 it's camping in inadequate places [12:34] XRevan86 https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/05/kyiv-shelled-first-time-since-late-april-news "Kyiv shelled first time since late April" [12:34] schestowitz_TR2 there is a lot to be criticised about our regime [12:34] schestowitz_TR2 and anti-protect provisions [12:34] schestowitz_TR2 anti-mass gathering [12:34] XRevan86 https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/05/a77894 [12:34] schestowitz_TR2 but if someone has no home, that does not mean he or she can slep in my garden [12:35] schestowitz_TR2 XRevan86: at first I read that as kyiv shelling russia [12:35] schestowitz_TR2 maybe that too wiill happen at some stage [12:35] XRevan86 "Regional Governor Gaiday: Russians Have Lost Ground in Sieverodonetsk" [12:35] schestowitz_TR2 gay-daY [12:35] schestowitz_TR2 putin will try to kill him [12:36] XRevan86 schestowitz: Russia is already shelled, Bielgorod region and such. [12:36] XRevan86 It's not very significant, a lot of cases can be written off as stray missiles, and even friendly fire. [12:38] XRevan86 "gay-daY" <- Can also be spelt "Haidai". [12:38] XRevan86 https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/5/7350643/ [12:39] XRevan86 Case and point: "Haidai: Armed Forces of Ukraine control half of Sieverodonetsk" [12:39] XRevan86 Same news, different spelling. [12:39] schestowitz_TR2 hayfeever [12:39] XRevan86 In both cases the consonant is voiced :) [12:40] XRevan86 Is the title fetcher on holiday? [12:40] schestowitz_TR2 anyway, sorry to get off topic [12:40] schestowitz_TR2 hayfever or gay day, it does not mean anything in that language anyway [12:41] schestowitz_TR2 but anyway, ukraine war is not on topic here unless it has a tech aspect like censorship on the Net [12:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [12:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:41] schestowitz_TR2 Putin isolated Russia just to make a point [12:42] schestowitz_TR2 Even China distances itself a bit [12:42] XRevan86 Don't know about Gay Day, I only know about Two Minutes Hate. Which is the opposite emotion and a longer timespan. [12:42] schestowitz_TR2 like removing russia staff from huawei [12:42] DaemonFC it's camping in inadequate places [12:42] schestowitz_TR2 DaemonFC: rise in homelessness, DaemonFC [12:42] schestowitz_TR2 in TN [12:42] DaemonFC I think the US Supreme Court ordered California to stop enforcing their anti-homeless laws unless they would provide suitable housing. [12:42] schestowitz_TR2 so they try not to tackle poverty [12:43] schestowitz_TR2 but to make more laws to make the symptons go away [12:43] DaemonFC It doesn't, though. [12:43] DaemonFC It just puts them someplace else where it costs more than helping them would. [12:44] DaemonFC Are there no prisons, no workhouses!? [12:44] schestowitz_TR2 not sure about ireland, which psydruid saw [12:44] DaemonFC Ignore the moans, it's only gas. [12:44] schestowitz_TR2 but in recent years I see fewer homeless [12:44] schestowitz_TR2 than say 5 years ago [12:44] psydruid is there #techrights-ru now? [12:44] schestowitz_TR2 maybe Manchester had some programmes for them [12:44] schestowitz_TR2 or maybe they die from OD [12:45] schestowitz_TR2 psydruid: nothing prevents that from rxisting [12:45] schestowitz_TR2 but few people here are from russia [12:45] psydruid I think that would be a good place for posting articles about the war in Ukraine [12:46] psydruid or #techpol or some other channel [12:46] schestowitz_TR2 and it's sad that techpol was occupied by an apologist of puitler and nazi germany [12:46] schestowitz_TR2 yes, techpol is in limbo [12:46] schestowitz_TR2 activelow might even be back [12:46] schestowitz_TR2 seems he did not kick people [12:47] schestowitz_TR2 he just de-registered [12:47] schestowitz_TR2 and as channel founder, ergoirc issued channel deprecation after thatr [12:49] TR News Unified Patent Court (UPC) Noise: Loaded Headlines, Straw Man Arguments, and False Predictions as a Lobbying/Sales Strategy | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-straw-man-arguments/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-straw-man-arguments/ [12:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [12:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 05 [13:01] DaemonFC https://www.cnet.com/reviews/bose-wave-pc-review/ [13:01] DaemonFC Bose also had some 30 pin and lightning docks that cost a small fortune. [13:01] DaemonFC Won't stand the test of time any better than the Wave/PC, which needed a serial port and Windows XP software. [13:02] TR News [Meme] Unified Patent Court (UPC) Always Started Next Year | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-false-predictions/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-false-predictions/ [13:04] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, That damned thing cost $728 in adjusted dollars. [13:04] DaemonFC ($449 in 2001) [13:05] DaemonFC I picked up my refurb Wave IV for $278, which would be $168 in 2001. [13:06] DaemonFC So the prices have actually fallen a lot, and we're back to the 3.5 mm jack which survived since the 1960s when all of this fad stuff like iPod docks went into the trash. [13:08] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/funny-pictures-5-30-22-21.jpg [13:28] XRevan86 matey: "how the FUCK is that "hate speech" when its against officials?" <- There were several instances when people got incarcerated for instilling hatred for a social group that is government officials. [13:29] XRevan86 "if you cant critciise the fucking government, free speech is TRULY broken" <- In Russia it is, and they're not even hiding it, it's a feature now. [13:32] XRevan86 https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1533213316184690689 [13:32] XRevan86 https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1533303672930717697 [13:33] XRevan86 matey: The PCLinuxOS writer that talks about social media shutting down his pro-war position would have been fined or jailed for an open and vocal anti-war position in Russia. [13:34] MinceR he should just BFG putin [13:34] XRevan86 "if so, why did he say "hate speech against Russian officials and military personnel"" <- Because that's what Facebook allowed, nothing more, nothing less. [13:34] MinceR wait, that's Makron, not Macron. [13:35] DaemonFC Quake? [13:35] MinceR Quake II [13:36] DaemonFC Quake 4 at least turned out better than Doom 3. [13:36] XRevan86 They did that because *a lot* of people started violating the Hate Speech policy, so they made an exception to avoid banning all Ukrainians. [13:36] *sergay (~b9dc66f3@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [13:36] SomeH4x0r hi [13:37] XRevan86 It's a big talking point of Russia (and Meta was deemed an extremist organisation in Russia), so I'm not surprised it has so much focus from people like that. [13:39] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:47] sergay https://opensource.googleblog.com/2022/05/Build%20Open%20Silicon%20with%20Google.html give us your ideas will take it from here [13:48] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@76bxh2hmnzj36.irc) has joined #techrights [13:49] sergay ^>.<^ [13:49] psydruid https://bits-chips.nl/artikel/ask-the-headhunter-29/ [13:49] psydruid and screw you in the process of getting there [13:53] schestowitz_TR2 sergay: yes, this is how they think [13:53] schestowitz_TR2 like Fedora "community" [13:53] schestowitz_TR2 "report bugs to us, then we'll sel you RHEL" [13:54] schestowitz_TR2 geeks as slaves [13:54] schestowitz_TR2 and then tthey tell us the word "master" is too offensive [13:54] schestowitz_TR2 because it describes what they are to us [13:58] MinceR https://www.oglaf.com/carp/ [13:58] TR News "One of the biggest things I've noticed since spending more time on the small web is the sheer lack of boundaries many people have on social media. Spending more time on here and other obscure sites has really put a lot of things in perspective for me." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/996 [13:59] DaemonFC I think CDs are still big in Japan. [13:59] TR News "Heya! I'm officially releasing an alpha build of a little application I've been writing called rpgsheet. It still needs work, but it's usable now so I'm going ahead and sharing it!" gemini://skylarhill.me/posts/rpgsheet-release.gmi [13:59] DaemonFC Most of the new ones I see popping up that are any good say they were produced there. ● Jun 05 [14:01] *techrights_guest|55 (~5dabdc90@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [14:02] *techrights_guest|55 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [14:05] schestowitz_TR2 maybe existing cd drives arer still made thee [14:05] schestowitz_TR2 toshiba and sduch [14:40] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:46] *CrystalMath (~coderain@sp5unsp5yaqyu.irc) has joined #techrights [14:55] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 05 [15:17] *zleap has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:17] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [15:21] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [15:27] *zleap has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:28] schestowitz_TR2 beeen readins som forums [15:28] schestowitz_TR2 seems like hdmi is dumber than i expected [15:28] schestowitz_TR2 it 'steal's sound [15:28] schestowitz_TR2 not just off the deviced [15:28] schestowitz_TR2 but also from the headphones/jack [15:29] schestowitz_TR2 so if you insert hdmi for picture only [15:29] schestowitz_TR2 it won't accept sound over the jack [15:29] schestowitz_TR2 it might be ok if you use vga [15:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [15:30] schestowitz_TR2 there is nothing in the monitor's settings to bypass this [15:34] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [15:37] *zleap has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:38] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [15:43] MinceR depends on software [15:44] MinceR i use HDMI a lot and most of the time play audio via other devices [15:44] MinceR the only time i remember getting sound via HDMI was when i tried out RISC OS on a rpi [15:46] schestowitz_TR2 ssorry i did not explain well [15:46] schestowitz_TR2 \the issue is when you want to use the speakers on the monitor [15:46] schestowitz_TR2 and not over hdmi [15:46] schestowitz_TR2 evenn when hdmi is cnnected [15:46] schestowitz_TR2 i have just tested this with rianne's machine and a different monitors [15:46] schestowitz_TR2 same oioutcome [15:46] MinceR speakers built into the monitor? [15:47] schestowitz_TR2 yes [15:47] schestowitz_TR2 very common [15:47] MinceR i see [15:47] MinceR i usually avoid using those, as they tend to be low quality [15:47] schestowitz_TR2 for some compliance or ceritificatipn [15:47] schestowitz_TR2 not good speakers [15:47] schestowitz_TR2 i want headphones and out to play at the same time [15:47] schestowitz_TR2 pulseaudio does not make it possible [15:48] schestowitz_TR2 did not checj JACK [15:48] schestowitz_TR2 but multiplexer(physical) makes it possible [15:52] TR News European Software Patents Cannot Withstand Scrutiny, EPO Management Wants Kangaroo Courts (UPC) to Change That | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/kangaroo-courts-swpats/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/kangaroo-courts-swpats/ [15:56] matey there is nothing in the monitor's settings to bypass this <- why would it be a monitor setting? [15:56] matey monitor doesnt usually change the resolution either (xrandr) [15:56] schestowitz_TR2 because: [15:56] schestowitz_TR2 1)t they have the same for visual input [15:56] matey nope [15:57] schestowitz_TR2 (vga/dvi/hdmi [15:57] schestowitz_TR2 2) it would be useful to some people or use cases [15:57] matey well yeah, because you can have two live inputs going to the monitor [15:57] matey so it needs to select which one it shows [15:57] matey like ive connected dvi and vga to the same monitor [15:58] matey if you turn one off, it switches automatically [15:58] matey but if both are on, how would it know unless its a monitor setting [15:58] matey it would be useful to some people or use cases <- it could also make cole slaw [15:58] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:59] TR News "there isn't really a built-in mechanism through which you would be made aware whether your work is being noticed or not, and that's by design. I don't know how common this is, but I don't find it to require much effort to keep up with everything that shows up on the main CAPCOM/spacewalk instances so I keep up with it regularly." gemini://sakurina.flounder.online/20201006r.gmi [15:59] matey /me grabs an hdmi cable [15:59] matey i dont prefer hdmi at all, but i still have this because sometimes its useful ● Jun 05 [16:00] TR News "Lack of willpower is our brains way of protecting us from overwork" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/doing-it [16:00] *kiki_ (~kiki@ecz2t3b69tp9n.irc) has joined #techrights [16:00] matey /me connects it to this same monitor [16:01] TR News SpellBinding: DYORSUL Wordo: NOOKS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-06-05.gmi [16:02] matey also i used to have a raspberry spy [16:03] MinceR my sony bluetooth speaker also turns off its bluetooth capability if there's a cable plugged into its analog AUX input [16:03] *kiki_ has quit (Quit: connection closed.) [16:04] *mimi (~mimi@cqjpy6v75mdaq.irc) has joined #techrights [16:04] matey my sony bluetooth speaker also turns off its bluetooth capability if there's a cable plugged into its analog AUX input <- yeah, before i got some nice little dj monitors [16:04] matey which make FUCKING AWESOME powered pc speakers [16:05] matey i had to settle for a piece of shit bluetooth speaker that-- i refuse to buy speakers that cant use a lead [16:05] matey so its exactly the same as yours in this respect. bluetooth disabled when you plug cable in [16:05] matey but i consider that a feature [16:06] matey didnt really want bluetooth in the thing at all [16:06] matey so another machine is now connected to this monitor with hdmi [16:07] matey a laptop at that [16:08] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [16:10] MinceR i have very little room in that room [16:10] matey /me connects dj speakers via the headphone jack [16:10] MinceR but i'm thinking of replacing that bluetooth speaker with a soundbar [16:11] matey i simply do not like bluetooth [16:11] matey and im not in love with speakers that are designed in a way that misses the point of why there are two channels in the first place [16:12] matey because two ears, dipshits. so aiming the speakers 180 degress away from each other-- duh [16:12] matey why not have a monitor that shows half the picture on one side... [16:12] matey and half on the other? [16:12] matey oh! because monitors are thankfully not designed like many bluetooth speakers [16:16] MinceR http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=2432 [16:16] matey now [16:16] matey mplayer is playing sound [16:16] matey hdmi shows the picture [16:16] MinceR some of that stuff is designed to work with bouncing sound off the walls [16:16] matey and the sound is coming out (over the headphone jack) to the dj monitors [16:17] matey so no, hdmi does not "steal" the sound [16:17] matey rather it provides an audio device that sound can play to [16:17] matey and its up to the operating system (not the monitor) to figure out where the sound goes [16:18] matey i might add that "configuration" consisted of connecting the cables and-- thats it [16:18] MinceR that was not schestowitz_TR2's problem [16:18] MinceR his problem was that the monitor was unwilling to play audio on its built-in speakers coming from its analog audio input as long as it was connected via HDMI [16:19] XRevan86 That's of course the monitor's fault. [16:19] matey then i understood him correctly [16:19] matey coming from its analog audio input <- guys, thats via the headphone jack, at least historically [16:20] matey the analog audio input for a monitor connects to what? [16:20] XRevan86 But I don't understand the configuration all that well. [16:20] matey ive had monitors with that feature [16:21] matey seems like hdmi is dumber than i expected [16:21] matey #techrights : 06/05/22 14:28 it 'steal's sound [16:21] matey i believe he means it prevents his headphone jack from working [16:21] XRevan86 The monitor, when connected to HDMI, doesn't take any sound to output from the JACK? [16:22] matey JACK is an audio (software) plugboard [16:22] matey the jack (the headphone "port") is what hes complaining about, i believe [16:22] XRevan86 3.5mm [16:22] matey right [16:22] matey and mine is working fine [16:22] matey because its not part of hdmi to "steal" the audio [16:22] matey its up to the os [16:22] XRevan86 matey: Ye also have a monitor with a 3.5mm jack and an HDMI port? [16:23] matey Ye also have a monitor with a 3.5mm jack <- i have before. but what difference does it make to this [16:23] XRevan86 matey: It might decide to only take information from one port at a time. [16:23] matey whether the headphone jack (output) connects to speakers glued to the monitor, or any other speakers [16:23] XRevan86 And if it's bad enough, not even allow to re-configure that. [16:23] matey It might decide to only take information from one port at a time. <- maybe, however [16:24] matey in my experience at least, the speakers on the monitor arent that smart [16:24] matey and the monitor (controls) dont control the sound anyway [16:24] XRevan86 In my experience the speakers on the monitor are such it's better to not have any. [16:24] matey yeah but wanting them to work when theyre needed isnt unreasonable [16:25] matey its clear that roy blamed hdmi, youre faulting his monitor [16:25] XRevan86 yes [16:25] XRevan86 It's not HDMI's fault for being capable to transfer sound. [16:25] matey seems like hdmi is dumber than i expected [16:26] sergay https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2022/06/03/bsa_criticizes_cert_in_rules/ The Bull Shit Allegiance [16:26] matey It's not HDMI's fault for being capable to transfer sound. <- thats exactly the point im making by connecting my laptop to hdmi and connecting speakers to my headphone jack, and having it work the way i want [16:26] XRevan86 It's a bus, it transmissions what is being told to it. [16:26] matey mmhmm [16:26] matey but roy blamed hdmi [16:26] matey my point was this isnt hdmis doung [16:26] matey doing [16:26] XRevan86 Same. [16:26] sergay https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/03/bsa_criticizes_cert_in_rules/ [16:27] matey im not really a fan of hdmi [16:27] XRevan86 It's a patent trap after all. [16:27] matey i prefer simplicity, and hdmi fails there [16:27] matey but for a rasp spy what are the options? [16:27] XRevan86 And a DRM trap as well. [16:27] matey yeah [16:27] matey so when someone gave me a rasp spy i bought it a cable so i could connect it to my monitor [16:28] matey its a cheap cable too, cheap enough that if it didnt work id say "eh, cheap cable" [16:28] matey and not be all that surprised [16:28] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165645 [16:29] matey stealing your audio is not how hdmi works though [16:30] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights [16:30] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [16:30] sergay STFU [16:30] schestowitz_TR2 ? [16:30] matey as evidenced by the fact that i just plugged in speakers into my headphone jack, connected the monitor to hdmi and it still works [16:31] schestowitz_TR2 I got my laptop working through headphones and speakers at the same time [16:31] matey ksh: STFU: not found [16:31] schestowitz_TR2 but with LennartAudio I could not find such an option [16:31] matey but with LennartAudio I could not find such an option <- maybe we found the culprit [16:31] matey either way its not hdmi [16:31] schestowitz_TR2 and a monitor I bought in 2011 off the display counter is used for sound [16:31] matey yeah ive done that before [16:31] schestowitz_TR2 even before PA I don't recall it being possible [16:31] matey it connects to your headphone jack, yes? [16:31] schestowitz_TR2 yes [16:32] schestowitz_TR2 and thhen splits off physically [16:32] matey so basically its just a set of powered speakers for your headphone jack [16:32] schestowitz_TR2 I did the same 20+ years ago [16:32] matey which are physically attached to your monitor [16:32] sergay i get internet from HDMI [16:32] matey I did the same 20+ years ago <- yeah it was a packard bell monitor i had with these things [16:32] schestowitz_TR2 hdmi is drm trasnsport [16:32] matey and like mincer says, crappy speakers [16:32] schestowitz_TR2 it can work without drm too [16:32] schestowitz_TR2 but that's not what it is for [16:32] matey but sometimes those are the ones that arent being used [16:33] matey it can work without drm too <- it seems to. i guess [16:33] XRevan86 PipeWire (with qpwgraph as UI for instance) can pipe different applications to different outputs. [16:33] sergay drm only "works" with nvidea [16:33] schestowitz_TR2 you can get hdmi clables for one pound [16:33] schestowitz_TR2 not very good ones [16:33] schestowitz_TR2 but they don't last very long [16:33] matey yeah id rather pay a few pounds for an hdmi cable [16:34] schestowitz_TR2 if you saw the specs, it's probbaly proprietary can of worms [16:34] matey but when i bought one for my spy i got the one they were selling [16:34] XRevan86 It's very easy to tell one application to go to HDMI with the default being internal audio / 3.5mm jack [16:34] schestowitz_TR2 with secrets and nda to 'protect' the 'protected' 'content' [16:34] matey which cost a few pounds (or the equivalent) [16:34] XRevan86 I don't think internal audio and 3.5mm jack can be discriminated. [16:34] XRevan86 But HDMI and Bluetooth can. [16:35] schestowitz_TR2 I've just retrieved some old music [16:35] matey I don't think internal audio and 3.5mm jack can be discriminated. <- i think its at least theoretically possible these days [16:35] schestowitz_TR2 going back two decades plus [16:35] XRevan86 matey: Maybe on different hardware. [16:35] matey but whether any software is designed to do it [16:35] matey maybe [16:35] matey on older hardware i think its impossible [16:36] matey on newer hardware i think it depends. sometimes. [16:36] XRevan86 I have Intel HD sound. [16:36] matey i think headphone jacks have moved in the same direction [16:37] sergay i cant tell the difrence between hdmi and vga on my monitor [16:37] XRevan86 sergay: That means your monitor is not great. [16:37] sergay are you sure? [16:38] sergay well its 1080p [16:39] sergay i just use vga cause its snappyer [16:39] XRevan86 sergay: 1080p is pretty much the maximum VGA can do. [16:39] sergay you cant tell the difrence [16:40] matey you cant tell the difrence <- maybe the issue is the graphics card [16:40] sergay the only thing is you dont get sound of the monitor [16:40] XRevan86 https://bluecinetech.co.uk/vga-max-resolution/ found an article [16:40] TR Bot VGA Max Resolution: Is VGA Capable of 1080p and HD? - Blue Cine Tech [16:41] XRevan86 "the only thing is you dont get sound of the monitor" <- No, that's the difference between *DVI* and HDMI. [16:41] sergay you could if you pluggin some cable [16:41] sergay BS theres DVI with sound [16:41] sergay theres no vga with sound [16:42] XRevan86 Oh, right, there is. [16:43] sergay the monitor has mic [16:43] sergay i think [16:43] XRevan86 Questionable solution, it's not like anyone is going to position their mouth right next to the monitor. [16:43] sergay but the thing is you cant tell vga from hdmi !:) [16:44] XRevan86 I guess it's better than a laptop-integrated microphone, so not too terrible. [16:44] sergay mic jack you idiot [16:44] matey it's not like anyone is going to position their mouth right next to the monitor. <- *picks up the mouse* "hello, computer!" [16:45] XRevan86 "you idiot" <- I was supposed to know that in your terminology "mic jack" means "3.5mm jack used either for speakers or a microphone" [16:45] sergay it's not like anyone is going to position their mouth right next to the monitor > laptops have mic on the monitor screen [16:45] sergay XRevan86 are you geting everything wrong on pourpose? [16:46] matey /me doesnt know why chunky changes nicks so often [16:46] *matey has quit (connection closed) [16:47] sergay must be something to do with politics [16:48] XRevan86 Right, I'll leave you be. [16:48] sergay politics = DRM [16:49] XRevan86 VGA is the best port to connect a digital monitor. [16:49] sergay s/politics/policys [16:49] sergay why? [16:50] XRevan86 Sounds dumb, doesn't it? [16:50] sergay just cause it sounds doesnt mean it is [16:51] sergay in reality its working the same from were im siting [16:52] sergay i tried both ways and couldn't tell any difference? [16:54] sergay and this way i got hdmi port free if i want to watch something on big TV [16:56] *mimi has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:57] *matey (~matey@km3w6imixyp52.irc) has joined #techrights [16:57] *mimi (~mimi@k634jwu9v4yz2.irc) has joined #techrights [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [16:59] sergay ipfs is the new gulag ● Jun 05 [17:07] matey /me points out what http://techrights.org/wiki/High-Priority_Opponents [17:07] TR Bot High-Priority Opponents - Techrights [17:07] matey neatly sidesteps [17:08] matey /me is sure people here can see / have seen major threats that were left out [17:08] schestowitz_TR2 it's a very partial list [17:09] schestowitz_TR2 limited to internet-type things [17:09] matey heh [17:09] matey limited to things that were already true in 2017-2018 [17:09] matey imo the worst has happened since [17:10] matey dont get me wrong, the stuff that is on the list belongs there [17:10] matey and its very hard to make anything entirely comprehensive [17:11] matey youd sort of need a second universe to describe the first one [17:11] matey but theres a "shape" to whats left out, and imo no justification for that limit in scope [17:11] matey it simply reflects what techrights cant bring itself to talk about sincerely [17:12] matey just like it took forever to get systemd right [17:12] matey in a few years, maybe it will talk about whats happened in a way that reflects what has actually happened [17:13] matey but just like its too late to save gnu/linux from the systemd takeover [17:13] schestowitz https://video.chalec.org/w/5Y338qZDJvBakEDmoY4jDe [17:13] schestowitz " [17:13] schestowitz FR : Actuellement en phase de test. [17:13] schestowitz EN : Currently in testing. [17:13] schestowitz RU : [17:13] schestowitz " [17:13] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://video.chalec.org/w/5Y338qZDJvBakEDmoY4jDe ) [17:13] matey rofl [17:14] schestowitz_TR2 francophonie rms [17:14] sergay bye bye world [17:14] matey mmhmm [17:14] matey maybe he says things in french that he wont bother to say in english [17:14] XRevan86 bye, sergay [17:14] matey its nice that he found a venue other than lieplanet [17:15] schestowitz_TR2 i cannot reach french [17:15] schestowitz_TR2 but this french group seems very keen on freedom [17:15] matey but the way hes been stifled, he could go to the moon and have the same problem he has in boston [17:15] schestowitz_TR2 april is very quiet [17:15] sergay PeerTube [17:15] sergay JavaScript required [17:15] schestowitz_TR2 their rss feed barely updates once a month for english [17:15] matey april has always been pretty quiet, sadly [17:16] schestowitz_TR2 I recall them being more vocal around 2010 [17:16] schestowitz_TR2 when jeremie was more active in politics [17:16] matey everyone was more vocal around 2010 [17:16] schestowitz_TR2 then he went mamut and toot [17:17] schestowitz_TR2 matey: true also [17:17] schestowitz_TR2 on the Net anyway [17:17] matey on the net [17:17] matey at least [17:17] schestowitz_TR2 seems many people increasingly got muzzled by fake social fake media [17:17] matey that too [17:17] schestowitz_TR2 and then it shuts down [17:17] schestowitz_TR2 digg, icentica, and the domino bticks still fall [17:18] matey i feel ive missed nothing since leavign the shitiverse [17:18] schestowitz_TR2 after joindiaspora it'll be twitter for sure, maybe not in that order of sequence [17:18] schestowitz_TR2 mastodon is barely growing [17:18] matey after joindiaspora it'll be twitter for sure <- i thought it would be fun to see it turn into musker [17:18] schestowitz_TR2 iirc, irc turns 35 next year [17:19] schestowitz_TR2 sandbag is leaving FB [17:19] schestowitz_TR2 or got ousted [17:19] schestowitz_TR2 which means FB is really hot on gasoline [17:19] sergay whats that video about? [17:19] schestowitz_TR2 just strike a match [17:19] schestowitz_TR2 matey: seems he realised twitter is a dud [17:19] schestowitz_TR2 or he never meant to buy anyway [17:19] schestowitz_TR2 sure got a ton of free publicity out of a 2 paragraph letter [17:20] matey yep "IRC was created by Jarkko Oikarinen in August 1988" [17:20] sergay hes a freind of linus? [17:20] schestowitz_TR2 irc does not get bloated like 'social' 'media' [17:20] schestowitz_TR2 adds a bit of unicide [17:20] schestowitz_TR2 the /history stuff from ircv3 is not imposed [17:21] schestowitz_TR2 backward compatible with the simpest irc stuff [17:21] schestowitz_TR2 same in gemin i [17:21] sergay irc does not get bloated like 'social' 'media' LOL [17:21] schestowitz_TR2 any capsule is accessible to anything [17:21] matey i dunno, i think someh4x0r has reason to be concerned [17:21] matey but [17:21] matey i would say irc is possibly (maybe) like unix [17:21] schestowitz_TR2 the www became "must cookie " must workers" "must JS" ... [17:21] schestowitz_TR2 so it's no longer pretending to eb a spec for a browser [17:21] matey in that a lot of people will go the gnu/linux/systemd route and fuck it up royally [17:21] schestowitz_TR2 or two browsers controlled by gulag [17:22] schestowitz_TR2 esp. ther "worker" parts [17:22] schestowitz_TR2 webassembly and all [17:22] matey and some people (the openbsd of irc) will stick closer to the original [17:22] schestowitz_TR2 DRM/EME [17:22] schestowitz_TR2 the web is a laughing stock these days [17:22] matey even if most irc becomes a bloated mess, which could happen [17:22] schestowitz_TR2 it's not even pretnding to be standard [17:22] matey the web is a laughing stock these days <- yep [17:22] schestowitz_TR2 chrome is not a web browsr [17:22] schestowitz_TR2 chrome is an application/virtual machines [17:22] schestowitz_TR2 the www/html is just a transport layer for this application [17:22] sergay the web = google [17:22] schestowitz_TR2 to pass around data [17:22] matey virtual machines? [17:22] schestowitz_TR2 like binaries [17:23] sergay the web = google [17:23] schestowitz_TR2 matey: akin to [17:23] sergay i cant find nay page it doesnt link to google [17:23] schestowitz_TR2 look into the latest undocumented specs [17:23] schestowitz_TR2 they ship byecodes and stuff [17:23] matey where are the undocumented specs documented? [17:23] schestowitz_TR2 the web turnhed from "let's make this work using standards" [17:23] schestowitz_TR2 intoo: [17:24] schestowitz_TR2 "let's make these "standards" suit the needs of this application" [17:24] schestowitz_TR2 so now you can run an OS like win95 in the 'browser' [17:24] schestowitz_TR2 30 million lines of code and fast growing [17:24] schestowitz_TR2 to impplement a 'satndard [17:24] schestowitz_TR2 reminds me of OOXML [17:25] schestowitz_TR2 the devs don't work to standarsds [17:25] schestowitz_TR2 they work WITH framewowrks [17:25] matey the fact that js is turing complete meant all it had to do was become fast enough [17:25] schestowitz_TR2 those frameworks are tested for compatibility [17:25] matey and this was a possibility [17:25] schestowitz_TR2 no standard compliance [17:25] schestowitz_TR2 they test against software [17:25] schestowitz_TR2 not specs [17:26] schestowitz_TR2 even the js gets obfuscatd a lot [17:26] schestowitz_TR2 they say for performance [17:26] schestowitz_TR2 on 10Mbit/sec connection [17:26] sergay you can mine bitcoin using the web [17:26] schestowitz_TR2 while they ship 2MB font files [17:26] schestowitz_TR2 go to google.com [17:26] schestowitz_TR2 press view source [17:26] schestowitz_TR2 and tell me if that "code" makes sense [17:26] matey im sure it does help performance [17:27] matey it is unfortunate that they push js into tasks where the performance different matters [17:27] schestowitz_TR2 sergay: passing the electirc bilsl to you [17:27] schestowitz_TR2 using the breoser [17:27] matey i would say bloat has no place on the web [17:27] schestowitz_TR2 and you don't even know what the heck it does [17:27] schestowitz_TR2 it just... does.. something [17:27] matey in the way that icebergs have no business getting in front of luxury liners [17:27] sergay https://coinexpansion.com/best-free-bitcoin-mining-sites/ [17:27] TR Bot 10 Best Free Bitcoin Mining Sites To Earn Free BTC [17:28] matey there really was no golden age of javascript [17:28] matey it nearly lept straight from mediocrity to dystopia [17:28] schestowitz_TR2 no, there was not [17:28] schestowitz_TR2 20+ years ago I evenm tried vbscript [17:28] schestowitz_TR2 not for long [17:28] schestowitz_TR2 just an experiment in my site [17:28] schestowitz_TR2 then JS [17:28] schestowitz_TR2 you could do some OK things with it [17:28] schestowitz_TR2 like choose a quote at random [17:28] matey again, turing complete [17:28] schestowitz_TR2 now we have frameworks [17:29] schestowitz_TR2 and people addd 1MB of code just to render some little bouncing ball whiloe you wait [17:29] matey yep [17:29] schestowitz_TR2 (you also needed to wait for that 1MB of code) [17:29] schestowitz_TR2 and then they send you a font for the headline [17:29] schestowitz_TR2 for 5 words and 30 chaarcters [17:29] schestowitz_TR2 for that your router and computers work hard [17:29] schestowitz_TR2 and the exchanges also [17:29] matey the fonts bother me more than the js [17:29] schestowitz_TR2 and the datacentres [17:29] schestowitz_TR2 and then you render glyphcs [17:30] schestowitz_TR2 get ready for the third CPU core to kick in [17:30] schestowitz_TR2 so you can appreciate the headline's font [17:30] sergay anf people talk bad about flash [17:30] schestowitz_TR2 instead of just using some font you already have [17:30] schestowitz_TR2 and which you like more [17:30] matey im not sure i have a 3rd cpu [17:30] schestowitz_TR2 sergay: flash won [17:30] schestowitz_TR2 it became the Web [17:30] schestowitz_TR2 the web became flash [17:30] sergay now its all flash sites with out flash [17:30] schestowitz_TR2 and now it's called w33c [17:30] schestowitz_TR2 activescript [17:30] matey i might only have 2 physical cores on my fastest machine [17:31] matey but there are more virtual cores [17:31] schestowitz_TR2 ActionScripot I meant [17:31] schestowitz "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActionScript [17:31] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Scripting [17:31] schestowitz I worked with Flash in 2000 [17:31] schestowitz it was just some IDE [17:31] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActionScript ) [17:32] schestowitz mostly visual [17:32] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Scripting ) [17:32] schestowitz the swf files were small [17:32] sergay TechrightsBot-tr BYE BYE WORLD [17:32] schestowitz but you could get nothing indexed [17:32] schestowitz gulag did try to index that at one point [17:32] schestowitz with today's "Web" it cannot do that either [17:32] schestowitz or barely [17:32] schestowitz link deep linking into "webapps" [17:34] schestowitz_TR2 *like [17:34] matey IRC was used to report on the 1991 Soviet coup d'tat attempt throughout a media blackout.[9] It was previously used in a similar fashion during the Gulf War. [17:35] schestowitz_TR2 dial modem age [17:35] sergay 1991 was pottin [17:35] schestowitz_TR2 irc scales ok with that [17:35] matey Another fork effort, the first that made a lasting difference, was initiated by "Wildthang" in the United States in October 1992. (It forked off the EFnet ircd version 2.8.10). It was meant to be just a test network to develop bots on but it quickly grew to a network "for friends and their friends". [17:35] matey i used irc on dialup of course [17:36] matey in dos [17:36] schestowitz_TR2 I did not on dos [17:36] schestowitz_TR2 what did you use to dial up in dos? [17:36] schestowitz_TR2 bbs eras? [17:36] matey The "undernetters" wanted to take ircd further in an attempt to make it use less bandwidth and to try to sort out the channel chaos (netsplits and takeovers) that EFnet started to suffer from. For the latter purpose, the Undernet implemented timestamps, new routing and offered the CServicea program that allowed users to register channels and then attempted to protect them from troublemakers. [17:36] schestowitz_TR2 winmodems were the way to bring residential market to the web [17:36] matey what did you use to dial up in dos? <- arachne [17:36] schestowitz_TR2 post 1991 [17:37] matey it had its own dialer [17:37] *schestowitz_TR2 never used command line dialer [17:37] matey winmodems <- i had an external [17:38] matey never used command line dialer <- arachne had a graphical ui, including its config [17:38] matey not command line [17:38] matey but it ran without windows [17:38] schestowitz_TR2 needs some multitasking [17:38] matey no [17:39] matey i mean dos could do tsr and the modem connection is done with hardware [17:39] matey so while the modem stays connected, a non-multitasking os can read from the modem when it wants to [17:39] matey its like saying you need multitasking have a mouse cursor [17:40] matey to have a mouse cursor [17:40] schestowitz_TR2 fair point [17:41] matey at any rate, dos can shell to another application [17:41] sergay why does apt goes thru the upfating procedure even if there are no new packets to upgrade? [17:41] matey if you have enough ram, you can run qbasic from qbasic: [17:41] sergay thats just idiotic [17:42] matey shell "qbasic" ' run qbasic from qbasic [17:42] matey arachne could run an irc program [17:42] TR News Phoronix is run by Microbel, giving free marketing to a YEARS-OLD piece of crap from Microsoft that nobody but Microsoft uses https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=CBL-Mariner-2.0.20220527 [17:42] TR Bot Ships Big Update To Their CBL-Mariner 2.0 Linux Distribution - Phoronix [17:42] matey arachne was still running, but you couldnt "switch back" to it until the irc program ended [17:43] matey when i say it was still running, thats sort of a misnomer. it couldnt "do" anything while it was running an irc program [17:43] matey just like if you run qbasic from qbasic, you cant "switch back" to the first qb without ending the second one [17:43] matey but dos was capable of this [17:43] TR News I do remember this (20 years ago): "I certainly don't miss the days when one needed to modify their xorg.conf and jump through hurdles just to enable multi-monitor support on Linux before display hot-plugging worked..." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Phoronix-18 [17:43] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Phoronix-18 ) [17:43] matey on the other hand, borland had a tsr that you could bring up at any time with a hotkey [17:44] schestowitz_TR2 SomeH4x0r was born about 3 days before phoronix [17:44] schestowitz_TR2 and 8 days before tuxmachines [17:44] matey sidekick i think it was called [17:44] matey SomeH4x0r was born about 3 days before phoronix <- and 8 days before tuxmachines <- yep [17:45] schestowitz_TR2 sidekick was a failing phone microsoft ruined [17:45] schestowitz_TR2 from danger [17:45] schestowitz_TR2 maybe they also ruins the word/brand [17:45] schestowitz_TR2 they like stealing other companies' name [17:45] schestowitz_TR2 if they can get away with it [17:45] matey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borland_Sidekick [17:45] TR Bot Borland Sidekick - Wikipedia [17:45] sergay with that nick he should be 16 in 1999 [17:46] matey Borland Sidekick was a personal information manager (PIM) launched by American software company Borland in 1984 under Philippe Kahn's leadership. It was an early and popular terminate and stay resident program (TSR) for MS-DOS which enabled computer users to activate the program using a hot key combination [17:46] matey i think i had it set up to use both shift keys [17:46] matey the default is ctrl-alt and thats shit [17:46] matey calling it a "personal information manager" is nearly misleading [17:47] matey it was an editor, a calculator, a lot of utilities you might use in dos one at a time, or together in a multitasking environment [17:47] matey for example, i could (if i wanted) do all my text editing and coding in sidekick [17:47] matey this wasnt my preference, but it was a nice option [17:48] matey you could be working on something, hit shift-shift, then add something to the text editor and "close" it again, at which point it wasnt really closed [17:48] matey not bad, for dos [17:48] matey one of the cooler programs i used prior to windows [17:49] matey According to Philippe Kahn, Borland did not originally intend to sell Sidekick. It developed the utility to assist the small company's employees. [17:49] matey Sidekick 1.0 Plus included a broader selection of calculators (Business, Scientific, Programmer, Formula), a 9-file Notepad text editor, Appointment Book and Scheduler, a terminal communication tool and ASCII Table. In addition to variants on and enhancements to the 1.0 features, Plus included a 9-file Outliner, q file and directory manager, Clipboard, and supported Expanded Memory and a RAM disk. [17:50] matey the lead ultimately took it with him when he left, founded a company that worked on it further, then sold to motorola [17:50] matey the windows version even synced with a palm [17:51] matey so maybe thats why they call it a personal information manager [17:51] matey at one point i got one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timex_Datalink [17:51] TR Bot Timex Datalink - Wikipedia [17:51] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165646 [17:51] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [17:52] matey but apart from the main feature being utterly awesome, i really had no use for it (really) [17:52] TR News [GIT PULL] USB / Thunderbolt driver updates for 5.19-rc1 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YpnhBp%2Fnzjpz+Pxr@kroah.com/T/#u Source: greg kroah [17:52] TR Bot [GIT PULL] USB / Thunderbolt driver updates for 5.19-rc1 [17:52] matey it couldnt hold much data, and i wasnt enough of a pimp in those years to NEED a contact list in my watch [17:52] matey though i did have one [17:52] TR News [GIT PULL] Char/Misc driver updates 5.19-rc1 - Greg KH https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YpnmYB8SN5dPweLV@kroah.com/ Source: greg kroah [17:52] TR Bot [GIT PULL] Char/Misc driver updates 5.19-rc1 - Greg KH [17:53] matey it probably made sense for some (dorky) exec types [17:53] TR News UPC or Unitary Patent became a laughing stock because of repeated, seemingly endless, false predictions (some law firms stand to profit from such predictions) http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-false-predictions/ [17:53] TR Bot [Meme] Unified Patent Court (UPC) Always Started Next Year | Techrights [17:53] TR News Were trying to tackle misconceptions and mythology, e.g. whatever surrounds the concept or perception of patents, the Web as an open platform, and social control media as communication tool (or social or media); Techrights is entering another phase with more scarce resources such as time http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/techrights-vs-misconceptions/ [17:53] TR Bot Readjusting for the Coming Decade | Techrights [17:53] matey it was an interesting precursor to the smartwatch [17:54] TR News Despite the EPO pressing on with totally illegal agenda, based on deliberate falsehoods, Team UPC must get rather creative and distract from real issues using phony ones alongside bogus, baseless predictions and what they hope can become self-fulfilling prophecies (in the face of severe legal and constitutional obstacles) http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/upc-straw-man-arguments/ [17:54] TR Bot Unified Patent Court (UPC) Noise: Loaded Headlines, Straw Man Arguments, and False Predictions as a Lobbying/Sales Strategy | Techrights [17:54] matey " It is the first watch capable of downloading information wirelessly from a computer." [17:54] TR News EPO corruption has become very prevalent because todays sole goal is to grant as many patents as possible, then congratulate oneself having granted unlawful and legally-invalid European Patents by the millions; the same people who destroyed the patent office are still trying to do the same to patent courts http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/kangaroo-courts-swpats/ [17:54] TR Bot European Software Patents Cannot Withstand Scrutiny, EPO Management Wants Kangaroo Courts (UPC) to Change That | Techrights [17:55] matey considering that bluetooth didnt exist it was an interesting solution [17:55] matey i must have not hated microsoft as much at the time. not only did they require windows... [17:55] matey (3x or 9x) [17:56] matey "These early models were, at the time of their introduction, the only watches to bear the Microsoft logo." [17:56] matey i no longer have it [17:56] TR News "prestigious organisations such as Microsoft, Bugcrowd and Google." It says prestigious as if Pentagon contractor that commit crimes and kill people is the hallmark of "prestige" https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/575419294/viettel-experts-win-at-world-s-leading-cyber-attack-contest [17:56] TR Bot Viettelexperts winat worlds leading cyber-attack contest - EIN Presswire [17:57] sergay https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/canonical-hiring-gaming-engineer-for-ubuntu canonical needs to be cool again [17:57] TR Bot Canonical is Recruiting Devs for 'Ubuntu Gaming' Team - OMG! Ubuntu! [17:57] schestowitz_TR2 reactionarey [17:57] schestowitz_TR2 they realise shitting on the community for a decade means ubuntu is losing users [17:57] schestowitz_TR2 to other distros [17:58] schestowitz_TR2 Mark S (MS) mistook the microsoft "shareholders community" for the Ubuntu "community" [17:58] matey With the advent of portable computers which use active matrix LCD screens which did not refresh like CRT monitors and therefore could not be used for data transfer,[23] in 1997, Timex introduced a notebook adapter that incorporated a red LED and connected with the laptop through the serial port. During download, the LED flashed and the flashing programmed the watch much like the horizontal bars of the CRT. [17:59] matey Mark S (MS) mistook the microsoft "shareholders community" for the Ubuntu "community" <- it wouldnt be his first mistake of such magnitude [17:59] schestowitz_TR2 neglecting what you claim to stand for is a risky gambit [17:59] schestowitz_TR2 ask microbel ● Jun 05 [18:00] matey neglecting what you claim to stand for is a risky gambit [18:00] matey :> [18:00] schestowitz_TR2 http://phoronix.com/ [18:00] TR Bot Hardware Reviews, Open-Source Benchmarks & Linux Performance - Phoronix [18:00] schestowitz_TR2 "Support Phoronix [18:00] schestowitz_TR2 While Having Ad-Free Browsing, [18:00] schestowitz_TR2 Single-Page Article Viewing" [18:00] schestowitz_TR2 AMD already supports Phoronix [18:00] schestowitz_TR2 and other companies do too [18:01] schestowitz_TR2 yo get articles in exchange for something [18:01] matey "our sponsors have purchsed our integrity. now you can subsidise them" [18:01] schestowitz_TR2 it wasn't alwatys this bad [18:01] schestowitz_TR2 one CPU, fine [18:01] matey same model as the new fsf [18:01] schestowitz_TR2 but they went way too far [18:01] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/ [18:01] TR Bot When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights [18:02] matey it wasn't alwatys this bad <- this i believe [18:02] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2022/05/10/sponsored-by-amd/ [18:02] TR Bot Peak AMD | Techrights [18:02] matey but imo phoronix was always open source [18:02] matey and as such, it has gotten substantially worse over time [18:02] schestowitz_TR2 not as bad as some [18:02] schestowitz_TR2 phoronix is covering gnu also [18:02] matey sure [18:02] schestowitz_TR2 but sadly github too [18:02] matey whats left of it [18:02] schestowitz_TR2 and microsoft in recent years] [18:02] schestowitz_TR2 mono a decade ago [18:02] schestowitz_TR2 but not so often [18:03] schestowitz_TR2 and it's not alone [18:03] matey no [18:03] schestowitz_TR2 LF actually feeds some site off its palm... to promote github and similar [18:03] matey lf of course, is the most fraud you can get without it being hauled in for fraud [18:03] schestowitz_TR2 christine hall sold out [18:03] schestowitz_TR2 she used to condemn LF [18:03] matey christine hall sold out <- in more ways than one [18:03] schestowitz_TR2 now she works on their payroll indirectly and more directly [18:04] schestowitz_TR2 they decide what to write about [18:04] schestowitz_TR2 and sometimes ICBM [18:04] matey there seems to be precious little left other than shilling [18:04] schestowitz_TR2 Michael Sean-Kerner did not sell out as badly [18:04] schestowitz_TR2 he did joke about LKF [18:05] schestowitz_TR2 and he knows LF is junk [18:05] schestowitz_TR2 but he's not selling himself to them [18:05] schestowitz_TR2 just the occasional fluff [18:05] schestowitz_TR2 SJVN is coin-operated most of the time [18:05] schestowitz_TR2 SPAMnil is SPAM operation [18:05] schestowitz_TR2 marketing spam and bot manipulations [18:06] schestowitz_TR2 his site got x10 more traffic when it was muktware [18:06] schestowitz_TR2 groklaw threw in the towel without selling out AT ALL [18:07] schestowitz_TR2 which is at least something you can respect [18:07] matey yeah [18:07] matey just like a lawyer though [18:07] matey i mean, she could have looked into better tech like the rest of us did [18:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/the-linux-foundation-politics/ [18:07] TR Bot The Linux Foundation Has Turned Its Blog (and the Linux.com Web Site) Into Politics (Updated) | Techrights [18:07] schestowitz LF should rename [18:07] matey but lawyers really DONT do that sort of thing [18:07] schestowitz the D&I Foundation [18:08] matey theyre the last respected breed of luddite [18:08] schestowitz so they can troll FSF [18:08] matey building igloos of papers and living in them [18:08] matey maybe "respected" should be in quotes [18:08] schestowitz_TR2 that's SFC [18:08] matey but there are a couple good ones [18:09] schestowitz_TR2 SFC = paper and money [18:09] schestowitz_TR2 accounting and lawyering [18:09] schestowitz_TR2 and at lekast they ended copyleft.conf [18:09] matey shilling for corporations [18:09] schestowitz [05:13] Did copyleft.conf die because of the pandemic or because SFC recognised that bagging bribes from Microsoft was bad for its reputation? [18:09] matey sfc [18:09] schestowitz_TR2 salesforce [18:09] schestowitz_TR2 works for nra [18:09] schestowitz_TR2 works for ice [18:10] schestowitz_TR2 pays sfc [18:10] matey nra <- nra or nsa? [18:10] schestowitz_TR2 sfc = give us iced-blood-soaked money [18:10] matey nra would be funny [18:10] schestowitz_TR2 nra also [18:10] matey haha [18:10] schestowitz_TR2 the employees are protesting [18:10] schestowitz_TR2 and salesforce does nothing [18:10] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/salesforce-works-for-ice/ [18:11] TR Bot The OSIs President Apparently Does Not Know That His Own Employer (Salesforce) Works for ICE | Techrights [18:11] matey the employees are protesting <- protestwashing [18:11] schestowitz_TR2 afaik, they NEVER stopped working with ICE [18:11] schestowitz_TR2 same with Mirosoft.. [18:11] schestowitz_TR2 if they had stop you WOULD know [18:11] matey "im completely against what my employer is doing. there, i feel better now." [18:11] schestowitz_TR2 they would exchange the contract money for PR or face-saving value [18:11] matey i mean it is better than saying nothing [18:11] schestowitz_TR2 what does ICE "SELL" anyway? [18:11] schestowitz_TR2 babies? [18:11] schestowitz_TR2 "Salesforce" [18:11] matey its a question of how far it goes vs whether its enough [18:11] schestowitz_TR2 we auction "brown babies" [18:12] matey what does ICE "SELL" anyway? <- a farce [18:12] matey poverty, oppression, split families [18:14] schestowitz_TR2 these corporations have reduce "don't be a jerk" into a cynical PR token, even a buzzphrase, "D&I' [18:14] schestowitz_TR2 *reduced [18:15] schestowitz_TR2 new market [18:15] schestowitz_TR2 nw opportunities [18:15] schestowitz_TR2 stock photography [18:15] schestowitz_TR2 "are you black?" [18:15] schestowitz_TR2 "we are hiring" [18:15] schestowitz_TR2 "making stock photography of black people for companies that do not hire black people" [18:15] schestowitz_TR2 "apply today" [18:15] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/ [18:15] schestowitz_TR2 3 [18:15] TR Bot Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its Support for the Black Community | Techrights [18:16] schestowitz_TR2 IBM made "purity" databases [18:16] schestowitz_TR2 also for blacks [18:16] schestowitz_TR2 not to help them [18:16] schestowitz_TR2 ut to avoid them [18:16] schestowitz_TR2 "bad genes" [18:17] schestowitz_TR2 "eugenics = good genes [18:17] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2021/07/25/lectures-from-microsoft/ [18:17] TR Bot No, Microsoft Does Not Get to Lecture Us on GNU/Linux Security (or Security in General) | Techrights [18:17] schestowitz_TR2 sorry, wrong link [18:17] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ [18:17] TR Bot IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights [18:18] matey IBM made "purity" databases <- theyre a real class act [18:21] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ [18:21] TR Bot Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights [18:22] schestowitz_TR2 open letter: cancel rms [18:22] schestowitz_TR2 buy watson(r) [18:23] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2022/01/18/ibm-censorship/ [18:23] TR Bot Someone Is Very Desperate to Knock My Account Off Twitter | Techrights [18:23] matey roy has a new toy: http://techrights.org/wiki/High-Priority_Opponents [18:23] TR Bot High-Priority Opponents - Techrights [18:23] schestowitz_TR2 don't mention it on twitter [18:23] matey its not a bad page, in terms of throwing a lot of information together in a single place. its actually good enough that if youre new here, youd be forgiven for thinking the following is a nitpick. [18:24] schestowitz_TR2 do not upload to GULAGtube either [18:24] matey it isnt. the page omits and tiptoes around the same things techrights always omits and tiptoes around. that makes it worth noting. [18:24] schestowitz_TR2 it says hitler in the title [18:24] matey i should be impressed, i suppose, that it finally admits a point mincer worked for more than a decade on: [18:24] schestowitz_TR2 and has some portions in the video that show hitler [18:24] matey > IBM has followed Microsoft's outline from the Halloween Documents and been able to use systemd to decommodify GNU/Linux in such a way that it becomes so complex that their services must be hired [18:24] schestowitz_TR2 that's like memorablia [18:24] schestowitz_TR2 gulag is not a free speech company, it's a business [18:24] matey this is a far cry from "neutral or apathetic", its true-- but the years-late, too-late admission that red hat and ibm have thwarted the free software ecosystem only means that everything has already been taken over. for a more extreme example, its more useful (in practical terms) to note that genocide is occurring and ongoing, than it is to admit it after the fact. [18:24] schestowitz_TR2 they would bury or removee the video one way or another [18:24] schestowitz_TR2 maybe copyrights [18:25] matey the latter of course matters a great deal in historical terms, though it isnt going to bring back those that are lost. [18:25] schestowitz_TR2 maybe traemarks [18:25] matey this would have been a more useful thing to admit half a decade ago, when roy was still fence-riding. even this is no guarantee that the issue wont be downplayed again. [18:25] schestowitz_TR2 watson(tm) is a trademark [18:25] schestowitz_TR2 of IBM [18:25] matey bad companies and things bad companies do are very important in the big picture (and even the small details) regarding what has happened to free software. we should be holding these companies responsible, so naming them and attributing to them to what theyve done to us is worthwhile. but what does that leave out? [18:25] matey the greatest omission ive found could fit into any of the following categories or subcategories listed already: [18:25] matey * 3 Disenfranchisement [18:25] matey * 4 Censorship [18:25] matey * = 4.1 K. A custom-made censorship based on profiling [18:25] matey * 7 Entrapment [18:25] matey * 8 Other Threats (Peripheral) [18:25] matey corrupt / defunct / colluding organisations are mentioned, though only when they are ORIGINAL proxies to corporations, such as the ones started by people from microsoft. [18:25] matey but organisations that have been taken over by, or lowered the drawbridge to these same companies? they get no mention. [18:26] matey media manipulation gets a category, but the very counterrevolution that is "open source"? dont worry about it. osi was taken over by microsoft, and microsoft is listed, but the betrayal by osi almost seems to be something roy hopes can be undone if we just make things clear enough to those responsible. [18:26] matey its even more ridiculous than assuming the same will happen to the new fsf, and there is no mention of the coup at all. [18:26] schestowitz_TR2 SFC is not allowed to criticise IBM [18:26] matey indeed [18:26] schestowitz_TR2 and it is now ALLOWING to criticise IBM, either [18:26] matey the collusion of people within the free software movement with open source and these companies, is what destroyed the fsf, ended stallmans career (what he does in his retirement is lovely, but even his talks are berift of soul and vital new information, which is what you would expect from someone who was destroyed by the two-faced among his own people) and now turn the fsf into a pathetic osi-inspired shitshow. [18:26] matey the coup has gone on for years, and the damage is devastating. it has become an occupation, but just as techrights took more than half a decade (too late, maybe even by design) to get this right, it has downplayed the coup since 2019 the same way it downplayed systemd. you can be certain that it will be too late when techrights finally has a proper look at what the fuck happened. [18:26] matey no coup, no new fsf, not even osi is listed as a threat. in an article last year, techrights said osi is dead. i said that it keeps taking terrible things that are actually true of the fsf and the free software movement, and re-framing those things as being osi and open source-- osi is dead, they attacked open source. [18:26] matey the fsf is dead, they attacked free software. thats way more important, but just like techrights rode the fence for years while debian and red hat committed seppuku, roy isnt ready to admit it. he misleads, he downplays, he omits-- while techrights fails to cover the biggest story, except in a way that makes it seem like less than a big deal. [18:26] matey the biggest, baddest page on the wiki in over a year just happens to fail to cover it too. [18:27] matey is this a drawback of the wiki page? the wiki? [18:27] matey actually, its a drawback of techrights itself: cover every story BUT the biggest! [18:27] matey i mean thats typical by now. techrights is incredibly brave when it comes to side issues and scandals that people perhaps SHOULD but clearly DO NOT care about, especially after resignations come. [18:27] matey when it comes to the biggest problems that are closest to home, techrights says DONT MENTION THE WAR! [18:27] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/fosdem-censorship-legal.png [18:27] schestowitz_TR2 "bhuhnhehim[m]" [18:27] matey its also too late for it not to be a 15 (and a half) year old blog that has a pattern of downplaying the most important (even existential) crises in the movement while treating the 3rd-and-4th-worst threats as the biggest. [18:27] schestowitz_TR2 you cannot criticise ibm [18:27] matey you cannot criticise ibm <- somehow i manage [18:28] matey its funny how when you make a habit of that, everything else you do does more to serve bullshit than it does to inform; open source has done the same for decades, using real (but smaller) issues as decoys from even more urgent ones. [18:28] matey but then, thats techrights-- to a t. its also what was done to the fsf to destroy it from the inside, what was done by the mob to stallman, and what is still being done by (and to) the board and everything from and tangential to the new fsf. [18:28] matey free software isnt bullshit-- but most of the things that propped it up from the beginning have turned into bullshit. [18:28] matey techrights just says "COMPANIES DOING BAD THINGS!" [18:28] matey yes, thats true. but while its true, its missing a very key part of the story. if you rely on techrights as your "radar" for free softwares survival, youll see the blips techrights shows you and miss so much of whats going on, you might as well say youve been left out of the picture. [18:28] matey you will see those blips though-- over and over and over again. and free software continues to fall apart. what a shame, you would think techrights wanted that fixed. how does it plan to achieve that? with the same old shit, just like the fsf itself. [18:28] schestowitz_TR2 you can edit the wiki [18:28] matey i will not [18:29] matey when the fsf eats itself, techrights keeps calling it progress. and the corporations are still bad, but the people who sold us out to them year after year? lets not worry, we can just keep allowing that, the real problems are the big bad companies-- NOT the people who keep dragging us into servitude of the same bad companies... apparently. [18:29] sergay need new pc to play Far Cry 6 [18:29] schestowitz_TR2 i made it in a hurry [18:29] matey its a good page, other than what im saying [18:29] schestowitz_TR2 and it was a first attempot [18:29] matey we used to call them shills and traitors. now "we" treat them like victims of circumstance-- as if they were helpless to not stab us in the back. well, the news is out: theyre not our opponents at all! backstabbers and saboteurs are our FRIENDS now. isnt that wonderful? not really, but i guess it gets pageviews. [18:29] matey it was a good first attempt [18:29] matey i suppose waiting five years to tell the real story is just a good publishing strategy. for free software, id call it a negative. if this wasnt part of a pattern of deflection and misleading people spanning years at a time, then it really might be a nitpick. [18:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [18:30] schestowitz_TR2 anyway, some people thought he would take over from rmshehim[m] [18:30] schestowitz_TR2 but that never happened [18:30] schestowitz_TR2 instead fsff gave him marching orders [18:30] schestowitz_TR2 and he left along several others [18:30] matey rmshehim[m] <- lol [18:30] schestowitz_TR2 I say, good riddance [18:30] schestowitz_TR2 same need to happen in eff [18:30] schestowitz_TR2 bring back gilmorer [18:30] schestowitz_TR2 barlow cannot be brought back from the dead [18:30] matey bring back gilmorer <- i dont think hes coming back either [18:30] matey not because hes useless [18:31] schestowitz_TR2 then oust the people who foughht to oust golmore [18:31] schestowitz_TR2 whoever they are [18:31] schestowitz_TR2 they are not in alignment with the eff's mission [18:31] matey then oust the people who foughht to oust golmore <- OH CMON [18:31] matey you accused me of trying to "cancel the cancellers" [18:31] matey in that context "then oust the people who foughht to oust golmore" is just trolling :P [18:31] schestowitz_TR2 tuened out walsh and mako-hill were among the ousters [18:31] schestowitz_TR2 of sorts [18:31] schestowitz_TR2 you used to think they would be leaders for the org [18:32] schestowitz_TR2 and now we know better [18:32] matey tuened out walsh and mako-hill were among the ousters <- im still not sure. theres a lack of evidence [18:32] matey neither signed. [18:32] matey now im not saying there isnt something fishy [18:32] schestowitz_TR2 walsh opposed [18:32] schestowitz_TR2 not the fst vote [18:32] schestowitz_TR2 but the whole "bring back rms" thing [18:32] matey yeah [18:32] matey thats significant [18:32] schestowitz_TR2 m,ako-hill just said the whole tbhing was very painful for him to watch [18:32] matey and hugely disappointing [18:32] matey m,ako-hill just said the whole tbhing was very painful for him to watch <- thats a fair comment actually [18:32] matey its also vague [18:32] schestowitz_TR2 yes [18:32] matey it could really fall on either side [18:33] schestowitz_TR2 maybe like johns he chose to not engage [18:33] schestowitz_TR2 because he was torn from two directions [18:33] matey makos best work imo was in two parts [18:33] schestowitz_TR2 we'll never know [18:33] schestowitz_TR2 he's barely active anymore [18:33] schestowitz_TR2 in planet debian [18:33] schestowitz_TR2 very rarely blogs [18:33] matey he did an article called "in defence of negativity" that i think resulted from an exchange we had in whats now "the fediverse" [18:33] matey youll note its circa 2010 [18:34] matey he also did an article saying that when free software isnt (technically) better, its still free, and that matters [18:35] matey free software is often (technically) better, but putting too much stress on that is an open source thing, which he brought counterpoint to [18:35] matey i dont have any faith left in mako or walsh [18:35] matey and ive been criticising cc forever [18:35] matey i dont have the information i need to heavily critique either of them [18:36] matey the most damning thing i know other than the timing of their resignations (which i agree is fishy) is your mention of walshs vote [18:36] matey thats something at least [18:36] matey im not sure if i put it in the treachery category [18:37] matey but i wouldnt throw it casually into the non-treachery category either [18:37] matey fortunately, theres a "fishy" category [18:37] matey and the vote against bringing stallman back is pretty damned significant [18:37] matey but its also news to me, and as much as i prefer to have proportional responses to treachery [18:38] matey i dont like to leap before looking [18:38] TR News A TCP client in Racket scheme gemini://blinkyshark.chickenkiller.com/2022-06-05-tcp-racket.gmi [18:38] matey in fact most of the things i feel strongly about i took years to get there [18:38] matey years [18:38] matey people associate strong views with impulsive reactions [18:38] matey the thing is, you can have strong views without jumping to them haphazardly [18:39] matey mincer has obviously felt strongly about humanity for a long time [18:39] matey and why not? humanity has been fucking up a lot for a long time [18:39] TR News "Recently, I've got my hands on an Asus Eee PC 1215B from 2011, dual core CPU at 1 GHz, and 2GB ram, upgraded it to 4GB. I've decided to move to it as my main computer, coming from a decently powerful workstation. Here's my experience." gemini://altesq.net/~masqq/gemlog/2022-06-05.gmi [18:39] matey though im more prepared to defend our species [18:39] matey at least its potential. i agree with him on the fuckups [18:40] matey theyre bad, to say the least [18:40] matey i maintain that at one point in time, trees were worse than hitler [18:40] matey until mammals came along [18:40] TR News "Critics often attack psychoanalysis as being "unscientific", or, under the Popperian criteria, "unfalsifiable". Some defenders will counter that, as it is the study of subjectivity itself, psychoanalysis cannot (and should not) be scientifically objective." gemini://nomadpengu.in/thoughts/zenfreud/ [18:41] matey im not saying hitler was any less bad than his worse critics tell you [18:41] matey only that trees were happy to exterminate everything else if need be [18:41] matey fortunately mammals came along and created balance through diversity [18:41] matey but trees were fucking dicks [18:42] matey now theyre ok-- they no longer rule [18:42] schestowitz_TR2 people associate strong views with impulsive reactions [18:42] schestowitz_TR2 it's a cultural thing [18:42] schestowitz_TR2 some see that as vulgarity [18:42] matey as for what bolsonazi is doing to them, im strongly against it [18:42] matey we need those trees [18:42] schestowitz_TR2 because the other people might "react" some way [18:42] matey people are sensitive to the wrong things sometimes [18:42] matey they miss the point [18:43] matey like when they think "master" needs to be "main" because nazis said its racist! [18:43] matey because the other people might "react" some way <- indeed [18:43] schestowitz_TR2 in some culture raising youyr voice is OK [18:43] matey giving reactionaries too much credit is a very common, stupid problem [18:43] schestowitz_TR2 even throw your hands all over the plce [18:43] schestowitz_TR2 not British culture [18:43] matey when stupidity about a thing is extremely common, sometimes you have to "grade on a curve" and understand that society just isnt ready to be smart about it [18:43] matey i mean, you should still hold them to a higher standing [18:43] matey standard-- but with reasonable expectations [18:43] schestowitz_TR2 making a society more docile [18:43] schestowitz_TR2 may mean making is more "civil" [18:44] schestowitz_TR2 RAF bombs cities [18:44] schestowitz_TR2 but we are polite [18:44] schestowitz_TR2 very polite [18:44] matey or realistic expectations [18:44] matey you cant cause evolution just by shouting "EVOLVE GODDAMNIT!" [18:44] matey it takes TIME [18:44] matey making a society more docile <- docile is a good word for it [18:45] schestowitz_TR2 protests are impolite [18:45] matey malleable [18:45] matey not British culture <- lol [18:45] matey british culture is a hoot [18:45] schestowitz_TR2 "why is this man angry?" [18:45] matey not only the comedy [18:45] schestowitz_TR2 the angry man need to get less angry [18:45] schestowitz_TR2 "come the fuck down" [18:45] matey protests are impolite <- and in danger of being unethical! [18:45] schestowitz_TR2 (tone-policing) [18:45] schestowitz_TR2 maybe he is angry that his wife got shot [18:46] matey he must be unreasonable [18:46] matey anger makes logic impossible. he must be an irrational person. [18:46] matey its never rational to be angry! [18:46] schestowitz_TR2 be jubilant [18:46] schestowitz_TR2 jubilee [18:46] matey maybe he is angry that his wife got shot <- thats illogical too [18:46] matey it wont bring her back [18:46] schestowitz_TR2 with andrew's mom [18:46] matey he should be more reasonable [18:47] TR News 8 Best Free and Open Source Linux Presentation Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165647 [18:47] TR Bot 8 Best Free and Open Source Linux Presentation Software | Tux Machines [18:47] matey jubilee with andrew's mom <- without getting the reference, this is pretty funny [18:47] schestowitz_TR2 "gates haters" [18:47] schestowitz_TR2 "cranks" [18:47] schestowitz_TR2 "jealous" [18:47] schestowitz_TR2 musk needs the same [18:48] schestowitz_TR2 musk critics being spun as conspiracy nuts [18:48] TR News NanoPi R5S preview - Part 2: Ubuntu 20.04 (FriendlyCore) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165648 [18:48] TR Bot NanoPi R5S preview - Part 2: Ubuntu 20.04 (FriendlyCore) | Tux Machines [18:49] TR News HexChat compiled in OpenEmbedded https://bkhome.org/news/202206/hexchat-compiled-in-openembedded.html Source: bkhome [18:49] TR Bot HexChat compiled in OpenEmbedded [18:49] schestowitz_TR2 I should be reasonable too [18:49] schestowitz_TR2 and stop criticising ibm [18:50] schestowitz_TR2 more like "bkuhnhehim[m]" [18:50] schestowitz_TR2 how can anywone get aupset at him? [18:50] schestowitz_TR2 he's stoooo reasonable [18:50] schestowitz_TR2 that he can disrupt people's irc activity [18:50] schestowitz_TR2 for insulting ibm [18:50] schestowitz_TR2 "bkuhnhehim[m]" was likely on some IBM database [18:50] schestowitz_TR2 or maybe relatives of "bkuhnhehim[m]" [18:51] schestowitz_TR2 not for being he/him [18:51] schestowitz_TR2 but a kuuhn [18:51] schestowitz_TR2 he's also IWB [18:51] schestowitz_TR2 the other high-level IBM exec [18:51] schestowitz_TR2 who used his jewishness to cover up with IBM did in WW2 [18:51] schestowitz_TR2 he would talk to the media [18:51] schestowitz_TR2 about how it never happened [18:51] matey I should be reasonable too and stop criticising ibm <- you should definitely criticise the fuck out of ibm [18:51] schestowitz_TR2 and he's a "berg" [18:51] matey whether its (considered) "reasonable" or not [18:51] schestowitz_TR2 so who are you to ssay he's antisemite [18:52] schestowitz_TR2 heck, maybe ibm hired and promoted him just for that alone [18:52] schestowitz_TR2 got its money's worth [18:52] schestowitz_TR2 jewish man denying ibm was helping hitler [18:52] matey when people say its unreasonable, its more of a circular argument [18:52] matey prove its not unreasonable! [18:52] matey but, if you criticise ibm, and you care about strategy [18:53] matey hopefully you recognise EVERY threat thats just as big [18:53] matey if you dont, you could end up pushing a double standard-- whether its intentional or otherwise [18:53] matey and the problem with that is, it would provide help to something just as bad as what youre criticising [18:53] TR News 10 Best Open Source Image Processing Libraries in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165649 [18:53] TR Bot 10 Best Open Source Image Processing Libraries in 2022 | Tux Machines [18:53] schestowitz_TR2 techrights has some of the iwb clips [18:53] matey potentially. [18:53] schestowitz_TR2 they still pretend to have no docs to prove what they had done [18:53] schestowitz_TR2 they are obv. lying [18:53] schestowitz_TR2 or deleting things post hoc [18:54] matey jewish man denying ibm was helping hitler <- thats a real shame [18:54] schestowitz_TR2 like rewmoving museum items [18:54] schestowitz_TR2 because those have the ibm logo on theem [18:54] matey iwb? [18:54] schestowitz_TR2 and that gets people to -gasp - think ibm was part of the genocide [18:54] matey they still pretend to have no docs to prove what they had done <- theyve basically bribed people to shut up about it [18:55] matey paying reparations on the grounds that no one holds them accountable beyond that [18:55] matey what a great deal for them [18:55] matey they pay money they would lose anyone [18:55] matey and dont lose face they would otherwise lose in the process [18:55] matey s/anyone/anyway [18:55] matey and that gets people to -gasp - think ibm was part of the genocide <- seeing one of the hollerith machines used by the nazis was a formative experience for me [18:55] matey and i DO hold ibm accountable to it [18:56] schestowitz_TR2 https://mitsloan.mit.edu/faculty/directory/irving-wladawsky-berger [18:56] TR Bot Irving Wladawsky-Berger | MIT Sloan [18:56] matey directly. [18:56] schestowitz_TR2 he also brought gnu/linux to ibm [18:56] schestowitz_TR2 the positive side [18:56] matey i have some ibm equipment actually. none of which i bought from ibm, but still [18:56] matey and its a small amount too [18:56] matey but more importantly i didnt buy it from ib [18:56] matey ibm [18:57] matey he also brought gnu/linux to ibm <- like lamb to the slaughter [18:57] schestowitz_TR2 "So, sometime in 2002 I went with my colleague to a suite at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York City where the interview was being filmed, and after some friendly chatter, proceeded to do the interview. Mark Achbar, one of the directors of the documentary was asking the questions. [18:57] schestowitz_TR2 We talked for about an hour about the topics they had sent us, and it all went rather well. But all of a sudden the nature of the questions changed when Achbar asked me if a company was responsible for its actions in the past. I replied that this was too broad a question to answer in general, but if he could be more specific about a concrete issue, perhaps we can shed some light on it. He then proceeded to ask me about IBMs r [18:57] schestowitz_TR2 ole in the Holocaust, especially about the allegations made in a 2001 book on the subject by Edwin Black. [18:57] schestowitz_TR2 " [18:57] schestowitz_TR2 https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2009/09/a-tale-of-deception.html [18:57] TR Bot Irving Wladawsky-Berger: A Tale of Deception [18:57] matey when the livestock changes the slaughterhouse let me know [18:58] matey edwin black is like the smedley butler of tech [18:58] matey thats a big deal [18:58] matey partially refuted-- then broadly defended [18:58] schestowitz_TR2 "Finally, having gotten this tale of deception off my chest by writing about it in my blog, it is time to move on . . . [18:58] schestowitz_TR2 " [18:58] schestowitz_TR2 "move on" [18:58] matey ibm really wanted you to think he was a tabloid journalist [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [18:59] schestowitz_TR2 "So, why is it that after all these years I am writing in my blog about this unfortunate incident instead of just letting sleeping dogs lie? " [18:59] schestowitz_TR2 microsoftism [18:59] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@yx6959ijksevu.irc) has joined #techrights [18:59] schestowitz_TR2 "yes, we did some bad things" [18:59] schestowitz_TR2 "time to move on" [18:59] matey i think hes done everything he needs to [18:59] matey its time for others to pick up where he left off [18:59] schestowitz_TR2 NewMicrosoft(TM) [18:59] schestowitz_TR2 "loves Linux" [18:59] matey "So, why is it that after all these years I am writing in my blog about this unfortunate incident instead of just letting sleeping dogs lie? " <- heh [18:59] matey "yes, we did some bad things" <- well, theyre dead! [18:59] matey several million of htem ● Jun 05 [19:00] schestowitz_TR2 "well, he's dead" [19:00] schestowitz_TR2 "next question!" [19:00] matey meet the new boss [19:00] matey same as the old boss [19:00] schestowitz_TR2 comment: [19:00] schestowitz_TR2 " " [19:00] schestowitz_TR2 Hi. It seems that this situation is now repeating itself in the call for reparations for IBM's alleged activities in S.Africa during apartheid. [19:00] schestowitz_TR2 "Hi. It seems that this situation is now repeating itself in the call for reparations for IBM's alleged activities in S.Africa during apartheid. [19:00] schestowitz_TR2 " [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 wow [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 " [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 I reject Irving Wladawsky-Berger accusations that before, during, or after my interview with him for The Corporation he was deceived by me or anyone involved in making the film. In making The Corporation we sought to treat everyone we interviewed fairly, both out of respect and in order to inform our audience as thoroughly as we could. [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 The basis of his erroneous allegations is that he was "tricked" because we discussed many issues relating to corporate social responsibility but in the final film used only portions regarding evidence of IBM's role in streamlining the mass slaughter of Jews in WWII. [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 There was no deception. Our letter of invitation to IBM accurately described the film as a "multi-faceted discussion" addressing the corporation's "history and role in modern society" at a time when "the critics of corporations are increasingly vocal." Mr. Wladawsky-Berger chose to speak as an IBM representative about the responsibilities corporations bear to society. In that context it was reasonable to explore the evidence of IBM [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 's role in the Holocaust and offer IBM the opportunity to address it. [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 I agree that we were nicely chatting, as he suggests, but that did not alter the fundamental nature of the interview that he had agreed to do - namely a professional interview for the purpose of a documentary film and television series. If Mr. Wladawsky-Berger was insufficiently prepared to answer some questions, he was free to say so, suggest we speak with someone else, and leave it at that. [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 I high-fived no one after Mr. Wladawsky-Bergers interview. We didn't think it went particularly well and neither did IBM. A PR representative for IBM called afterwards asking us not to use the interview unique in our experience of interviewing numerous, senior, corporate representatives about controversial subjects for The Corporation. [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 As a filmmaker, I was seeking the strongest, most coherent material. So I offered to drop Mr. Wladawsky-Berger's interview if IBM allowed us, as we initially requested, to speak with IBM's CEO, or to talk to a representative who could more knowledgeably refute or explain the record of IBMs relationship with Nazi Germany. IBM refused. We used Mr. Wladawsky-Berger's interview because IBM allowed no one else to tell its side of the [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 story. I believe IBM and not the filmmakers let Mr. Wladawsky-Berger down. [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 Mr. Wladawsky-Berger draws the conclusion that the filmmakers "clearly cared nothing about" the subjects of "medical research, the environment and education" because his comments on them were not used. If he watched the whole film, beyond the part featuring him, he would see others address those subjects. [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 We were very interested in Mr. Wladawsky-Bergers responses to all our questions, which were carefully researched and prepared. We did not waste his and our time with an hour-long show knowing in advance which of his answers we would ultimately use. [19:01] schestowitz_TR2 We worked on the film for six years and interviewed over seventy people for times ranging from thirty-seven minutes to over four hours. Thirty interviews were discarded completely. We asked many interviewees the same questions about corporate responsibility. The most articulate, relevant, revealing, explicit, dynamic, illustrative, incisive answers, both supporting and criticizing corporations, made it into the film. We had no one [19:02] schestowitz_TR2 other than Mr. Wladawsky-Berger to speak for IBM. [19:02] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, Now Musk says nobody is being fired and they're hiring MOAR people at Tesla. [19:02] schestowitz_TR2 Incidentally, we did not say that CBC offered any funding or broadcast for The Corporation. Five other reputable Canadian broadcasters supported the project, four of them educational and one religious, as well as Canadian federal and provincial government agencies. [19:02] schestowitz_TR2 Despite my original reaction to the interview, in the edited film I found Mr. Wladawsky-Berger helpful in illuminating aspects of the moral morass that surrounds the historical actions of a publicly-traded business corporation. I remain grateful for his participation and am disappointed at his response and allegations. [19:02] schestowitz_TR2 Regards, [19:02] schestowitz_TR2 Mark Achbar" [19:02] schestowitz_TR2 "You used and manipulated the opportunity, thus you behaved exactly (by using the same misleading principles) as the Nazis... [19:02] schestowitz_TR2 " [19:02] schestowitz_TR2 See? [19:02] schestowitz_TR2 you expose what the nazis did [19:02] schestowitz_TR2 and that makes you a nazi [19:02] schestowitz_TR2 wow [19:03] schestowitz_TR2 ""IBM has a long and rich history of doing much good in the world. I wish the film makers had focused on that. [19:03] schestowitz_TR2 LOL [19:03] schestowitz_TR2 "we had MANY clients" [19:03] schestowitz_TR2 like... [19:03] schestowitz_TR2 "Hitler also did a lot of good" [19:03] schestowitz_TR2 "stop focusing only on bad things putin did" [19:03] DaemonFC Musk behaves like someone who was using cocaine. [19:03] DaemonFC It destroys impulse control even if you stop at some point. [19:04] schestowitz_TR2 " [19:04] schestowitz_TR2 I am happy that Mr. Wladawsky-Berger has got this off his chest, however those who posted comments comparing Achbar's tactics to the Nazis are being ludicrous, the desperate energy used to protect IBM at all costs is typical of people who will never admit that reality doesn't care about our little constructs, about our little ideas of wrong and right, but that we should; Black's work is not discredited, Mr. Wladawsky-Berger as a go [19:04] schestowitz_TR2 od corporate soul was never interested enough in the history of his company to get to the bottom of this and IBM's behavior in this context is unsurprising. Corporations have only adopted morals since its coming into fashion, the bottom line and ethical behavior have not been compatible for very long. Getting to the truth is too uncomfortable for the vast majority of us." [19:05] matey "the desperate energy used to protect IBM at all costs is typical of people who will never admit that reality doesn't care about our little constructs" [19:05] matey + [19:08] schestowitz_TR2 I did not know he blogged about it [19:08] schestowitz_TR2 it's very illuminating [19:09] schestowitz_TR2 esp. the part where they try to say Black and others are like Hitler [19:09] schestowitz_TR2 for opposing Hittler [19:09] schestowitz_TR2 and naming the enablers [19:09] schestowitz_TR2 typical insane projection tactics [19:09] matey esp. the part where they try to say Black and others are like Hitler <- LOL [19:09] schestowitz_TR2 Techrights is literally NAZI... for calling out IBM [19:09] matey who said (edwin) black is like hitler? [19:09] matey best project tactic ive ever seen [19:09] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2022/01/18/ibm-censorship/ [19:09] TR Bot Someone Is Very Desperate to Knock My Account Off Twitter | Techrights [19:10] schestowitz_TR2 deployform roy [19:10] matey or worst, depending on your definition [19:10] schestowitz_TR2 to protect the nazis [19:10] matey Techrights is literally NAZI <- even i woudlnt go that far [19:10] matey oh no, roy should absolutely have a platform [19:10] schestowitz_TR2 (I'm the one who put in the paperwork for dead relatives BTW) [19:10] matey who said youre nazi? and who said edwin black is like hitler? [19:11] schestowitz_TR2 btw [19:11] schestowitz_TR2 there are severla movies about ibm [19:11] schestowitz_TR2 black just wrote a book [19:11] schestowitz_TR2 the evidence is cas clear as daylight [19:11] schestowitz_TR2 never mind the book [19:11] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Yow_BJeb8TI [19:11] TR Bot Guy Fawkes vs Che Guevara. Epic Rap Battles of History. - Invidious [19:11] schestowitz_TR2 they could make a "IBM Holocxaust museam [19:11] matey my ancestors fled germany right before the war [19:11] schestowitz_TR2 with lots of stuff in there, other than peprs [19:11] schestowitz_TR2 Dehomag Museum :-) [19:11] schestowitz_TR2 "welcome, my name is Lenny" [19:12] matey the evidence is cas clear as daylight <- indeed [19:12] schestowitz_TR2 "Eins process" [19:12] matey i wish they would [19:12] matey seeing the hollerith machine is powerful [19:12] matey you look at it and (i) think: this is why we need privacy. [19:12] matey "Eins process" <- he only has the disposition of a nazi [19:12] matey like the soup nazi [19:13] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/ [19:13] TR Bot IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights [19:13] schestowitz_TR2 IBM canceled RMSA [19:13] matey i dont think hes a white supremacist or eugenicist [19:13] matey just a cunt [19:13] schestowitz_TR2 while at the same time pushing these [19:13] schestowitz_TR2 for profit [19:13] matey but im not above joking about the connection [19:13] schestowitz_TR2 theey make billions off of covid [19:13] schestowitz_TR2 and now the data is not being purged [19:13] schestowitz_TR2 there are "naughty lists" [19:13] matey IBM canceled RMS <- i was there [19:13] schestowitz_TR2 people who rjected experiments [19:14] schestowitz_TR2 turned own rathgere [19:14] schestowitz_TR2 temporarily [19:14] schestowitz_TR2 carlin: "irhg this way" [19:14] schestowitz_TR2 "right [19:14] matey now the data is not being purged <- why would it be purged [19:14] matey when they went to such dishonest means to collect it in the first place [19:14] matey i dont mean "plandemic" [19:14] matey i mean "all your data will really help with a solution" [19:15] matey it wont, for reasons even you said [19:15] schestowitz_TR2 "disobedience lists" [19:15] schestowitz_TR2 matey: which solution? [19:15] schestowitz_TR2 the startung sdolution? [19:15] schestowitz_TR2 anyway, jokes aside [19:15] schestowitz_TR2 godwin unhappy [19:15] matey heh [19:15] schestowitz_TR2 rather, godwin gets ego boost [19:15] matey no solution [19:15] matey just an excuse [19:16] schestowitz_TR2 if aaron s stallman is really rems's brother, that's intereting [19:16] matey im happy to call godwin a nazi [19:16] schestowitz_TR2 fsf was always soft on ibm [19:16] matey only ironically, but nonetheless [19:16] matey tongue in cheek [19:17] matey if aaron s stallman is really rems's brother, that's intereting <- is it? i think we talked about this [19:17] schestowitz_TR2 person x signs rms petition [19:17] schestowitz_TR2 person x goes back to deploying for ICE [19:17] matey i dont think its that interesting. ill be happy to admit if i prove wrong about this [19:17] matey fsf was always soft on ibm <- this is true for obvious reasons [19:17] schestowitz_TR2 fsf started when ibm was the evil one [19:17] matey ibm controls gcc (gdb too) but no one talks about it [19:17] matey they dont believe it [19:18] schestowitz_TR2 and apple was using that [19:18] schestowitz_TR2 suse also plays a big role [19:18] schestowitz_TR2 maybe ibm and suse cooperate on more than just POWER [19:18] matey its more forkable than llvm [19:18] schestowitz_TR2 suse from nuremberg [19:18] schestowitz_TR2 suse from Nuremberg [19:18] matey fsf started when ibm was the evil one <- ibm was "always" evil [19:18] matey at least 20th century onward [19:18] DaemonFC I officially changed parties to "Republican" on a permanent and ongoing basis until I inform the Lake County clerk otherwise. [19:18] matey before that they were literally something else [19:19] DaemonFC I got to thinking and I couldn't find any reason why not to. [19:19] matey maybe better, maybe not-- but not "ibm" [19:19] matey hollerith tabulating company? [19:19] matey still a terrible name [19:19] matey hollerith i mean [19:19] schestowitz_TR2 https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-time-suse-the-german-linux-company [19:19] DaemonFC Even after the Democrats fuck up so bad they start losing states like Illinois, they still won't learn anything by being in the dog house for a couple of years. [19:19] TR Bot The time SUSE, the German Linux company, banned mentioning Jewish holidays. [19:19] matey whether it was already terrible or became terrible under ibm [19:19] matey probably both though [19:20] schestowitz_TR2 hollerith just did tabulation [19:20] schestowitz_TR2 that's like accusing einstein of nuking people [19:20] matey good old lundpuke [19:20] matey the duke of lun [19:20] schestowitz_TR2 but the machine is associate with his name and invention [19:20] schestowitz_TR2 hollerith afaik didn't do anything evil [19:20] schestowitz_TR2 based on what you can read about hollerith [19:20] schestowitz_TR2 CTR/IBM was evil from the start [19:20] schestowitz_TR2 they even put a fraud in charge [19:20] matey i havent accused him of anything [19:20] matey other than "probably both" [19:20] schestowitz_TR2 who was convicted of crimes [19:21] DaemonFC The national Republican Party needs a reboot. Even Ronald Reagan was able to do a bipartisan compromise on Immigration and was at least willing to work out an arrangement where he didn't just break the law and dare anyone to stop him or start bashing them. Many people got a path to a Green Card or citizenship under Reagan. [19:21] matey i dont claim to have anything on him. "probably both" was an openly cynical generalisation [19:21] matey he was probably wealthy [19:21] matey and probably connected to something nasty [19:21] matey but nothing im aware of specifically [19:21] matey either way ibm dragged that name through the mud later [19:21] matey which may not be holleriths fault [19:21] DaemonFC I don't know where it all went so wrong that Trump happened. Even Bush was fairly tolerant of immigrants. [19:21] schestowitz_TR2 DaemonFC: wae are talking about ibm [19:22] matey IBM was evil from the start <- i dont have data on that either [19:22] matey not that it would surprise me [19:22] DaemonFC IBM was one of the companies Trump damaged with his random and bizarre immigration policies. [19:22] matey i know watson and his son were nazi dicks [19:23] matey dont mention the war! [19:23] *matey has quit (connection closed) [19:23] DaemonFC It's companies like IBM and Microsoft and Apple who don't care about "America's problems". [19:23] DaemonFC America has a huge problem. They aren't paying their taxes and college tuition is sky high and not guaranteed to lead to any results. [19:24] DaemonFC But H1-B visas are leaving too many Americans unemployed and getting angrier about it when you combine the college troubles. [19:24] DaemonFC Because they're not STUPID. They see that nobody helps them get an education because it's easier to open the floodgates and let Chinese and Indian immigrants who already have a degree into the country . [19:25] DaemonFC Nobody's worried about them. Carlin said "A country that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago.". [19:25] DaemonFC And nothing has happened since then except another 14 years of stagflation. [19:27] DaemonFC As a matter of policy, I just refuse to go see any "foreign" doctors. And it's because I've noticed three things. 1. The same thing is going on there. 2. They have the bedside manner of a tarantula. 3. They will refuse to give you medical treatment, and if they do it's more likely to be incompetent treatment and they will not listen to your concerns. 4. There is a communications barrier. [19:27] DaemonFC Well, I said three things. [19:27] DaemonFC I thought of one more (communications barrier) while I was typing. [19:28] DaemonFC I mean, like, you go there because your blood pressure is through the roof and the damned doctor is basically "Not my circus, not my monkeys! Try eating less salt!" and then that doesn't help and your food tastes like shit, and oh here's the bill. [19:29] DaemonFC And so that was the moment I made the decision "Take a real good look at faces and names next time." and you know what? I got medicine. [19:30] DaemonFC This isn't even the first time something like this has happened. My aunt, who was a nurse for over 35 years, had a Masters Degree in nursing, complained day in and day out about foreign doctors coming in and botching everything and letting the nurses sort it out. [19:30] DaemonFC She unloaded about that after I complained about my psychiatrist not listening to me. [19:31] DaemonFC I can't imagine that you're getting good tech workers with these H1-Bs, and you know, the reason I say that is because I've overheard people who are in charge of reviewing that "cheap" code that came in from India and China and they complain it's more work to fix it than it is to write it in the first place. [19:31] DaemonFC But to some bean counter, it seems like a savings. [19:32] DaemonFC But you can't say something like that outside of a pseudonym or some Garrett out there will hunt you down like a dog and try to cancel you I'm sure. [19:33] TR News Links 05/06/2022: Bombadillo Fork for Spartan, Fedora Test Week for Linux 5.18 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/05/bombadillo-fork-for-spartan/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/05/bombadillo-fork-for-spartan/ [19:33] TR Bot Links 05/06/2022: Bombadillo Fork for Spartan, Fedora Test Week for Linux 5.18 | Techrights [19:33] DaemonFC MinceR, We can't see the uEFI code that actually runs on the LOL! No! Vo computers. [19:33] DaemonFC But there are typos and plenty of Engrish in the setup program. [19:34] DaemonFC If they're so sloppy that they don't even care what the user interface looks like then what does the code look like? [19:34] TR News Embedded and Devices Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165650 [19:34] TR Bot Embedded and Devices Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:34] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165651 [19:34] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [19:34] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, Mandy came out here and complained that I hooked up my Bose stereo by getting a 20 foot audio cable and using command strips to run it along the ceiling and back down to the laptop. [19:35] DaemonFC "Why don't you just get BLUETOOTH!? OMG this looks bad!" [19:35] DaemonFC It doesn't look that bad. [19:35] DaemonFC It doesn't look as bad as Bluetooth sounds. [19:35] TR News Gulag never deletes anything, but is leaves the possibility for YOU to delete YOUR access to the data https://www.maketecheasier.com/recover-deleted-text-messages-android/ [19:35] TR Bot How to Recover Deleted Text Messages on Android - Make Tech Easier [19:35] DaemonFC You were saying FM headphones that connect to your stereo the other day, and I wish I still had those! [19:36] TR News Google deleting some data is like... Microsoft obeying the law [19:36] TR News U.S.-Canadian firm Sandvine fosters Russian censorship infrastructure https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [19:36] TR Bot Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now [19:36] DaemonFC $20 at freaking Aldi and they sound better than Bluetooth does even if you can give it a perfect signal, and the entire Bluetooth stack can't take a dump, refuse to connect, and crash until you reboot the computer. [19:36] DaemonFC So there's that. [19:36] DaemonFC Intel's Bluetooth chipsets are even worse than their processors somehow. [19:38] DaemonFC AppleInsider posted an article about how when you add in retail, Apple's average pay is the lowest vs. Microsoft and Google. I mentioned that Microsoft shut down their retail operations because, I suppose, no reason to give demos of "Miracast" when the only image it successfully transmits to the television set, in the store, where Microsoft set up the entire demonstration, is a frame of the Blue Screen of Death followed by the entire Surface [19:38] DaemonFC laptop hard freezing. [19:38] TR News Pull hardware timestamping subsystem from Thierry Reding https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=2981436374177f78539b026ce5bcbab8c251818e [19:38] TR Bot kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree [19:39] DaemonFC There's absolutely no reason to buy this shit. [19:39] schestowitz_TR2 "Microsoft shut down their retail operations because" [19:39] DaemonFC They've managed to make computing today work worse than their Windows 2000 operating system did more than 20 years ago. [19:39] schestowitz_TR2 Same reason US left Kabul [19:40] schestowitz_TR2 the criminals don't want you to face them [19:40] DaemonFC I spent those 20 years saying the Taliban were still there and waiting for us to leave so they could take the entire country back. [19:40] DaemonFC Gonad the Barbarian mocked me for that. [19:41] DaemonFC He keeled over 5 years short of witnessing exactly that. [19:43] DaemonFC The US was in control of Iraq the first time and left Saddam Hussein there and alive, inexplicably. [19:44] DaemonFC Their military was so badly outdated and poorly trained that it could hardly even fight us in the early 90s. We came back, their government collapsed in a couple of months, and supposedly that government was in a position to make WMDs somehow. ● Jun 05 [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 05 [21:04] sergay Im thinking about putting a graphic card inside a bottle and use it as an external gpu [21:05] sergay have you seen who much they ask for an external gpu case? [21:05] sergay im rolling my owne [21:06] sergay what kind of psu should i use? you can use any off the shelf one ? [21:07] sergay https://nairatips.com/diy-egpu/ [21:07] TR Bot DIY eGPU 101: How to Build an External GPU by Yourself in 2022 [21:07] sergay The best thing is that the DIY eGPU will cost you a lot less in contrast to the eGPU that you will buy from the market. right on [21:17] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22060350 [21:17] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/plbpxjq0bl291.jpg created on 2022-06-03 17:44:12.986229 [21:19] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-04.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-05.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [21:33] TR News 10 Best Ubuntu Apps for Everyone in 2022 [Part 2] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165652 [21:33] TR Bot 10 Best Ubuntu Apps for Everyone in 2022 [Part 2] | Tux Machines [21:35] TR News "We are back with our usual monthly update! Boiling Steam looks at the latest data dumps from ProtonDB to give you a quick list of new games that work (pretty much?) perfectly with Proton since they were released in May 2022 all of them work out of the box or well enough with tweaks..." https://boilingsteam.com/top-15-new-games-to-play-on-linux-with-proton-june-2022-edition/ [21:35] TR Bot Top 15 New Games to Play on Linux with Proton June 2022 Edition - Boiling Steam [21:45] TR News MiTubo 1.1: screensaver inhibitor Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165653 [21:45] TR Bot MiTubo 1.1: screensaver inhibitor | Tux Machines [21:46] TR News Hulu's 12 Monkeys (no spoilers) gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-06-05.monkeys.gmi [21:46] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:47] TR News "Compounding the issue was the fact that, at the time, I was staying in a hotel room (attending CDL school downstate), with no personal transportation, in an area with such poor walkability I couldnt even walk to the neighborhood grocery store less than a mile away without putting my actual life in danger" gemini://november.smol.pub/vegan [21:47] TR News An Evernote-Compatible Sticky Notes App for Linux Desktops Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165654 [21:47] TR Bot An Evernote-Compatible Sticky Notes App for Linux Desktops | Tux Machines [21:49] sergay https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-build-an-external-gpu-for-4k-video-editing-vr-and-gaming/ [21:49] TR Bot to build an external GPU for 4K video editing, VR, and gaming | TechRepublic [21:50] sergay GPU: 200 dollars. [21:50] sergay Case: 220 dollars. [21:50] TR News 10 Fun Free and Open Source Real-Time Strategy Games - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/free-open-source-real-time-strategy-games/ Source: LinuxLinks | GNU | Linux | FreeSW [21:50] sergay PSU: 30 dollars. [21:50] TR Bot Fun Free and Open Source Real-Time Strategy Games - LinuxLinks [21:51] sergay the case is more expensive that the gpu WTF [21:54] TR News Linux Plumbers Conference: Microconferences at Linux Plumbers Conference: RISC-V https://lpc.events/blog/2022/index.php/2022/06/05/microconferences-at-linux-plumbers-conference-risc-v/ [21:54] TR Bot Microconferences at Linux Plumbers Conference: RISC-V Linux Plumbers Conference 2022 [21:54] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165655 [21:54] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:55] psydruid the finances of such systems don't make sense anymore [21:55] TR News "NixOS recently had a new release, and it's a big one! Now, NixOS comes with an easy-to-use graphical installer (calamares). This could be a real game changer because the traditional NixOS installation is a barrier to entry for novice NixOS users. So I'm going to try out the new NixOS calamares installer and see if it works!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ck4J2Faa7Fc [21:55] TR Bot NixOS Is The Power User Distro (Now With An Easy Installer!) - Invidious [21:56] psydruid but few people have found the clue yet [21:56] schestowitz_TR2 GPU costs like my whole laptop [21:56] schestowitz_TR2 Case: costs like my whole laptop [21:56] psydruid exactly [21:56] MinceR ah yes, the elusive systemd-dependent "power user" [21:56] schestowitz_TR2 that's an empty case with a little gadget inside [21:56] schestowitz_TR2 that gadget costs like 6 raspiberry pi 4 [21:56] schestowitz_TR2 24 processor cores [21:57] schestowitz_TR2 at ~5 watts each [21:57] schestowitz_TR2 per pi [21:57] schestowitz_TR2 or 1 watts cores [21:57] schestowitz_TR2 more efficient that this gpu [21:57] schestowitz_TR2 *than [21:57] schestowitz_TR2 is the keyboard a "gaming" keyboard? [21:58] schestowitz_TR2 like one with LIGHTS in it? That costssss $150? [21:58] psydruid the economics will completely break down when fruit pi 5/6/7 etc. catch up with the latest lava lake systems [21:58] schestowitz_TR2 the PSU alone costs like a modern SBC [21:59] schestowitz_TR2 it's just a PSU [21:59] psydruid that's why I would only consider this for very high-end high-density compute ● Jun 05 [22:00] psydruid 16+ core CPU or something [22:00] DaemonFC I'm shampooing the livingroom carpets finally. Eww. [22:00] psydruid not the typical gamer desktop [22:00] schestowitz_TR2 "gaming" = polygon renderer [22:00] DaemonFC By the looks of the dirty water, I'm going to be at it for a while before I can put the chemicals in. [22:00] psydruid my power bill is higher than your power bill [22:01] DaemonFC My electric runs between $30 and $100 depending on the month. [22:01] schestowitz_TR2 not bad~! [22:01] DaemonFC I don't think the cats pissed anywhere but they may have tracked litter? [22:02] schestowitz_TR2 $30 is insanely low [22:02] schestowitz_TR2 for 2 people [22:02] DaemonFC Was getting a whiff of cat piss sometimes. [22:02] DaemonFC Don't know where it came from so I just ordered a gallon and a half of carpet shampoo and that's on the way. [22:02] schestowitz_TR2 here, juist standing charges alone would amount to about the same [22:02] DaemonFC Makes about 50 gallons of solution. [22:03] DaemonFC Fuck it, lets napalm. [22:03] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [22:03] DaemonFC here, juist standing charges alone would amount to about the same [22:03] DaemonFC It's going to get cheaper. Electric costs in other states have soared and it's cheaper to buy nuclear power we have a surplus of. [22:03] *psydruid reuses desktop cases from 20+ years ago [22:03] DaemonFC So by law, ComEd has to give us a discount for the next year. [22:04] DaemonFC They went with coal. [22:04] DaemonFC Whoopsie [22:04] DaemonFC So now Indiana gets to pay my electric bill. :) [22:04] MinceR shampoo for my real friends and real poo for my sham friends! [22:04] schestowitz_TR2 you to enerrgy providers: do I get a dicount if I SIT DOWN? [22:04] DaemonFC Even FM sounds really good on this radio. [22:04] DaemonFC I was skeptical. [22:05] DaemonFC This seems like something they'd have been showing off at Epcot in the 80s or 90s. [22:06] DaemonFC Haters gonna hate. [22:06] schestowitz_TR2 DaemonFC: I've hacked together a solution this morning. I now have two sound sources [22:06] DaemonFC Those audiophile forums are beyond ridiculous. [22:06] schestowitz_TR2 didn't have to buy anything, just get creative with the cables [22:06] DaemonFC The Bose is a very pleasant system to listen to. [22:07] schestowitz_TR2 an old (2011) monitor is now a speaker [22:07] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, You can probably find the Altec Lansing FX3022 somewhere still. [22:07] schestowitz_TR2 those are overpriced brands [22:07] schestowitz_TR2 and cults that orbit them [22:08] schestowitz_TR2 same for sonos [22:08] DaemonFC That was a good system if you want decent sound without taking up a ton of space and avoid the separate subwoofer. [22:08] schestowitz_TR2 you pay fore their patents and marketing departmenrsa [22:08] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, I got mine for like $60-70. [22:08] TR News Games: Proton and Real-Time Strategy (RTS) Title Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165656 [22:08] DaemonFC As a refurb. It was working fine 12 years later. [22:08] TR Bot Games: Proton and Real-Time Strategy (RTS) Title | Tux Machines [22:08] DaemonFC You can probably find one used super cheap somewhere. [22:08] schestowitz_TR2 no need [22:08] schestowitz_TR2 you could get a refurb for half that price [22:09] schestowitz_TR2 and better [22:09] schestowitz_TR2 without the 'cult surplus' [22:10] DaemonFC I don't think even $300 is expensive for a system if it's a really nice one. [22:10] DaemonFC There's definitely crazier things people buy than Bose stereos. Like Macs and AirPOS. [22:12] schestowitz_TR2 you listen to it yourself [22:12] schestowitz_TR2 that's the first sig you might need headphones [22:12] schestowitz_TR2 not speakers [22:12] schestowitz_TR2 but personal speakerrs [22:12] schestowitz_TR2 neat to the ears [22:12] schestowitz_TR2 second, consider thw quality of your source [22:12] schestowitz_TR2 liike FM radio [22:12] schestowitz_TR2 and sometimes mono [22:13] schestowitz_TR2 at some page you realise you're just beign a 'masturbating monkey' over sound [22:13] schestowitz_TR2 and fake audiophile [22:13] schestowitz_TR2 and your sound might, at best, be a nuisance to someone in the home or on the other side of the wall [22:14] schestowitz_TR2 fwiw, people who buy home cinemas and large projectors for 1-2 people to watch are conned [22:15] schestowitz_TR2 the whole purpose of large screen (with same res) is to let more people watch them at once [22:15] schestowitz_TR2 otherwise you can just move closer [22:16] MinceR headphones are uncomfortable [22:16] DaemonFC As for the people on the other side of the wall.....They bug me with shit that isn't even music. [22:19] schestowitz_TR2 mimi: depends [22:19] schestowitz_TR2 MinceR: ^ [22:19] schestowitz_TR2 in winter they can help [22:25] TR News Deepin 20.6 Run Through - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=iRBU8ldZmaw Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [22:25] TR Bot Deepin 20.6 Run Through - Invidious [22:26] TR News "It's one thing to install Linux on someones computer if they ask for some support or ask for help but please stop installing linux on other peoples computer just for the fun of it" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5dk2h25BpqM [22:26] TR Bot Stop Installing Linux On Other Peoples Computer - Invidious [22:31] TR News "On behalf of the Rakudo development team, Im very happy to announce the June 2022 release of Rakudo #156. Rakudo is an implementation of the Raku1 language." https://rakudo.org/post/announce-rakudo-release-2022.06 [22:31] TR Bot Rakudo compiler, Release #156 (2022.06) - Rakudo Compiler for Raku Programming Language [22:31] DaemonFC Well, it smells a lot better in here. [22:32] TR News Videos: Installing GNU/Linux, Deepin 20.6 Walkthrough, Calamares in NixOS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165657 [22:32] TR Bot Videos: Installing GNU/Linux, Deepin 20.6 Walkthrough, Calamares in NixOS | Tux Machines [22:32] TR News Tails 5.1 arrives with a fix for a serious JavaScript security vulnerability http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165633#comment-33889 [22:32] TR Bot Tails 5.1 is out | Tux Machines [22:32] DaemonFC Floor looks better. [22:33] DaemonFC All those places the cat barfed and I like "99%" cleaned it up or spilled a bit of coffee. [22:33] DaemonFC Gone. [22:39] TR News "If your requirements are predominantly for people with audial impairments, try Orcas screen reader for desktops like MATE, GNOME, and Unity. The Sonar GNU/Linux project is great for accommodating users with visual difficulties" https://hbr.org/2022/06/3-strategies-for-developing-more-accessible-software [22:39] TR Bot 3 Strategies for Developing More-Accessible Software [22:39] SomeH4x0r someone tell matey that digdeeper's IRC bridge is back, if my memory fails [22:39] SomeH4x0r hope they read logs [22:40] TR News "The second prize of Rs 15,000 went to Snehlata Shirude and Manish Joshi from KBC North Maharashtra University, Jalgaon, for their paper, titled A successful recipe for localisation: A case of GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program)." https://www.freepressjournal.in/indore/indore-cere-concludes-at-elite-city-b-school-prof-sarin-gets-iim-indores-lifetime-achievement-award [22:40] TR Bot Indore: CERE concludes at elite city B-school, Prof Sarin gets IIM Indores lifetime achievement award [22:41] TR News Villupuram-basedsoftware company gets Silicon Valley call Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165658 [22:41] TR Bot Villupuram-basedsoftware company gets Silicon Valley call | Tux Machines [22:46] *sergay has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [22:52] TR News About a week before Microsoft attacked Novell (and later killed it with a patent collusion) https://www.osnews.com/story/16309/novell-announces-pcs-preloaded-with-suse-linux/ [22:52] TR Bot Announces PCs Preloaded with SUSE Linux OSnews [22:53] TR News Microsoft is not a software company. It's organised crime that tries to come across as legit activities. While assassination of actual competition persists. [22:54] TR News Those companies work for the NSA; they do not care about "Open Source" or about security https://www.cybersecuritydive.com/news/open-source-security-Washington/623731/ [22:54] TR Bot Tech giants pledge multimillion down payment to secure open source | Cybersecurity Dive [22:57] TR News "An Indian wedding, a 12-year-old girl with the drumming skills"... don't tell the queen's son, Andrew. He might want to screw with her. And then pay our tax money to make it go away (also see Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/06/05/platinum-jubilee-celebrations-brilliantly-british-fit-queen/ [22:57] TR Bot The Platinum Jubilee celebrations were brilliantly British and fit for a Queen [22:58] TR News [Old] Fedora 36 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164681#comment-33890 [22:59] TR Bot Fedora Linux 36 Is Here with GNOME 42, Linux Kernel 5.17, and Wayland for NVIDIA Users | Tux Machines [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 05 [23:00] TR News "A few months have passed since we released ScummVM 2.5.1. No matter if you expect the scorching heat of the upcoming summer or freezing blizzards in winter (depending on your favorite hemisphere): its release time again!" https://www.scummvm.org/news/20220605/ [23:00] TR Bot ScummVM :: Home [23:11] TR News 15 Best Online Learning Platforms https://www.nanowerk.com/15-Best-Online-Learning-Platforms.php Source: nanowerk [23:11] TR Bot 15 Best Online Learning Platforms [23:12] TR News LOL! "Metaverse, AI, Sustainability" ... any more buzzwords??? https://www.gurufocus.com/news/1742550/save-the-date-globant-invites-to-the-tech-n-fest-2022 [23:12] TR Bot the Date: Globant Invites - GuruFocus.com [23:12] TR News Regulation has not existed in decades. The military contractors and oligarchs do anything they wish... https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/health-tech/oracle-gets-european-approval-28m-cerner-deal-set-close-next-week [23:12] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/health-tech/oracle-gets-european-approval-28m-cerner-deal-set-close-next-week ) [23:14] TR News "Proton is building a privacy-centric alternative to the Google software ecosystem" https://www.techradar.com/features/the-quest-to-cut-google-out-of-your-digital-life [23:14] TR Bot quest to cut Google out of your digital life | TechRadar [23:14] TR News Clown provider... for clowns with guns https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/02/social-good-cloud-provider-blackbaud-takes-millions-from-the-nra/ [23:14] TR Bot good cloud provider Blackbaud takes millions from the NRA TechCrunch [23:15] TR News Company that fires HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ITS OWN TECH WORKERS ... "to provide STEM job training and tackle talent shortage"???? https://www.wsbtv.com/news/ibm-partners-with-cau-provide-stem-job-training-tackle-talent-shortage/TAJLZIQHRNCVVBN72F5UVKCVVU/ http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM [23:15] TR Bot IBM partners with CAU to provide STEM job training and tackle talent shortage WSB-TV Channel 2 - Atlanta [23:15] TR Bot IBM - Techrights [23:17] TR News Totally fake approach to security; marketeering in place of substance https://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/legit-security-brings-a-needed-layer-of-protection-to-the-sdlc-pipeline [23:17] TR Bot Legit Security Brings a Needed Layer of Protection to the SDLC Pipeline - Digital Journal [23:18] TR News Two criminal enterprises, Accenture and Microsoft (engaged in corruption, even colluded against GNU/Linux in Munich), use "sustainability" as a buzzword for reputation laundering https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/06/w27558150/accenture-microsoft-and-avanade-expand-partnership-to-help-organizations-tackle-their-greatest-sus [23:18] TR Bot Microsoft and Avanade expand partnership to help organizations tackle their greatest sustainability challenges - Benzinga [23:22] psydruid Master addresses concerns about slave shortage [23:23] DaemonFC That's better. [23:24] schestowitz_TR2 let's ask edwin black what he thinks of jim whitehurst [23:34] DaemonFC eBay emailed me. [23:35] DaemonFC They said that the Wave Radio II that I was bidding on that mysteriously disappeared for like $64 is back and I have a second chance at $159. LOL [23:35] DaemonFC I'm not paying $159 for someone's 16 year old used model that's two versions behind when a refurb of the current model is $279. [23:36] DaemonFC It doesn't even have a CD player. [23:43] schestowitz_TR2 seems like you spend money on a load of junk tbh [23:43] schestowitz_TR2 instead of making a fianncial cushion [23:43] DaemonFC Have one. [23:43] schestowitz_TR2 now that walmart is layinf off workers and shuttingf store [23:43] DaemonFC They just remodeled this store and they hire more people. [23:44] DaemonFC They're also in the middle of ditching DoorDash because so many people are complaining and canceling Walmart+ because of it. [23:44] schestowitz_TR2 your mom can become amazon reseller [23:48] schestowitz_TR2 DoorDash should go into the garage business [23:48] schestowitz_TR2 shipping youir cars to the mechanics and back tio you [23:48] schestowitz_TR2 ValetDash [23:49] DaemonFC We wouldn't be any better off renting a more expensive apartment or taking a bus. [23:49] DaemonFC But yes, car ownership is expensive. [23:49] DaemonFC Not the least of which because an able-bodied illegal immigrant panhandler ran out in front of my car today and I had to slam on the brakes and honk at him. [23:49] DaemonFC He's there every day jogging, literally jogging, back and forth begging for money. [23:50] DaemonFC If you can do that, you can get a job. I know there are people here hiring illegal immigrants. [23:50] DaemonFC There was another one a while back that finally got himself hit by a car and then the American citizen driver probably went to jail and then people were begging for money to send his body back to Mexico. [23:50] DaemonFC This place is another world. [23:51] TR News Torvalds a short while ago: This attached patch builds cleanly for me, doing the above. But see a few comments about those atomicity issues..." https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/6/5/304 [23:51] TR Bot LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [PATCH] net/bluetooth: fix erroneous use of bitmap_from_u64() [23:51] TR News Dev Resurrects Unity-Era Feature for Ubuntu Dock But Will It Be Accepted? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165659 [23:51] TR Bot Dev Resurrects Unity-Era Feature for Ubuntu Dock But Will It Be Accepted? | Tux Machines [23:52] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165660 [23:52] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [23:52] DaemonFC People who break laws get along easier than the rest of us somehow. [23:52] DaemonFC They get out of prison and have a job and an apartment the same day. [23:52] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165661 [23:52] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [23:53] schestowitz_TR2 DaemonFC: you were arrested years ago [23:53] schestowitz_TR2 just to remind you [23:53] DaemonFC Then they wonder why the rest of us finally go over the edge. [23:54] DaemonFC https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/stevewinwood/timeisrunningout.html [23:54] TR Bot Winwood - Time Is Running Out Lyrics | AZLyrics.com [23:55] DaemonFC Good lyrics for what's going on today. [23:55] TR News Some last-minute work by Torvalds: "Since this clashed with the Kbuild cleanups I just merged, I looked at it and threw up in my mouth a little." https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/6/5/270 [23:55] TR Bot LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [GIT pull] objtool/urgent for v5.19-rc1 [23:57] DaemonFC just to remind you [23:58] DaemonFC Falsely accused by Democrat judges and a RINO prosecutor and paraded around in court over a misdemeanor because I'm white while they let people setting fires, vandalizing, looting, murdering, raping, and watching child porn go or give them 90 days in county at the worst. [23:58] DaemonFC This place is a fucking joke. [23:59] DaemonFC Part of the Big Lie is that the judges are neutral and you have rights.