●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, December 05, 2020 ●● ● Dec 05 [00:00] DaemonFC[m] Seems the consensus is that it's basically unusable as a desktop system. [00:00] MinceR well, of course. it's got cancerd. [00:00] DaemonFC[m] Everything is a "pain" and someone also said the package manager is "limited". [00:00] DaemonFC[m] Doesn't seem like Intel is really putting a lot of effort in. [00:01] schestowitz +2,555 new #covid19 deaths so far today in the US [00:02] DaemonFC[m] It looks like Ubuntu is backporting patches for memory leaks and performance issues into GNOME for the LTS from later versions. [00:02] DaemonFC[m] Even if GNOME themselves isn't backporting them to the point releases. [00:02] DaemonFC[m] Eh, Ubuntu is stuck with the version of GNOME longer than upstream supports it anyway. [00:02] DaemonFC[m] I wonder how long until they just do what RHEL does and bring in new versions of GNOME to the LTS. [00:03] DaemonFC[m] I don't see where the appeal for RHEL is these days. The whole pitch was that they were conservative to minimize breakage and regressions. [00:03] schestowitz Ubuntu might not even be focused on desktops anymore [00:03] DaemonFC[m] They don't seem to be very conservative anymore. [00:03] schestowitz seeing their "market strategy" is basically CLOWN [00:03] schestowitz Microsoft et al [00:04] schestowitz sucking up to GAFAM [00:04] DaemonFC[m] Well, in some ways their retreat has been for the best. [00:04] schestowitz for some "share" of computer time fees [00:04] DaemonFC[m] Unity was not great and Richard Stallman called it spyware. [00:04] DaemonFC[m] Because of the keylogger in the lenses. [00:04] schestowitz I asked him to [00:04] schestowitz so he did [00:04] schestowitz Jono lost his marbles [00:05] schestowitz and the coup against RMS had been cooking even prior to that [00:05] schestowitz notice jono is no longer in this channel [00:05] schestowitz maybe moved on to SLACK of MICROSOFT TEAMS :-) [00:05] DaemonFC[m] I always separate my search and address bar and disable autocomplete searches in the address bar. [00:05] schestowitz let's see if he's on this network at all [00:06] DaemonFC[m] In the search bar, that's fine. In the address bar, it sends Google or Microsoft all of the stuff you type so they know where you're heading even if it's not a search. [00:06] DaemonFC[m] So Firefox cloned it and called it an "awesomebar". [00:06] DaemonFC[m] Like, really....? [00:06] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I tried bringing in Seamonkey a while back. [00:07] DaemonFC[m] It's rather sickly lately due to the Gecko platform changes. [00:08] schestowitz :08] [Error] jono: No such nick/channel. [00:08] schestowitz [00:08] [Whois] End of WHOIS list. [00:08] schestowitz [00:08] [Raw] whois jonobacon [00:08] schestowitz [00:08] [Error] jonobacon: No such nick/channel. [00:08] schestowitz [00:08] [Whois] End of WHOIS list. [00:09] schestowitz oh, wait, I found him [00:09] DaemonFC[m] nomobacon? [00:09] schestowitz [00:09] [Raw] whois loser [00:09] schestowitz [00:09] [Whois] loser is ~loser@149.28.253.253.chromeshome.net (ZNC - https://znc.in) [00:09] schestowitz [00:09] [Whois] loser is online via verne.freenode.net (Amsterdam, NL, EU). [00:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.znc.in | ZNC [00:09] schestowitz :-D [00:10] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/ [00:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | Techrights [00:10] schestowitz he defected basically [00:10] schestowitz then got endorsed by Microsoft [00:10] schestowitz after working for github and doing 'consulting' for Microsoft [00:10] schestowitz which means taking a bribe, laundering that bribe as "advice from smart man" [00:10] schestowitz very smart... to be taking that money [00:10] DaemonFC[m] They must have been impressed by the metal free software song dot ogg. [00:11] schestowitz so they buy themselves "community" creds on the cheap [00:11] schestowitz and his reputation is now gone, for that money [00:11] schestowitz he used to do heaby metal [00:11] schestowitz even free software song as metal [00:11] schestowitz not the only heavy metal he likes is dimes and quarters [00:12] schestowitz by the tonnes [00:12] schestowitz he's not alone [00:12] schestowitz stormy peters [00:12] schestowitz but she sold out over a decade ago [00:12] schestowitz worked for some microsoft veteran at openlogic [00:12] schestowitz who afaik no longer operate... they're invisible [00:13] schestowitz but at the end, like Jesus Das Caza, she "came home to Jes... I mean, Microsoft" [00:13] schestowitz covid19 deaths: 241 today in texas [00:13] DaemonFC[m] He had been trying to get on at Microsoft since the 90s. [00:13] schestowitz no wonder the troll courts there canceled all the hearing till March [00:14] schestowitz even GIlstrap realised it's not a "hoax" [00:14] DaemonFC[m] Applied at their Internet Explorer team in like 1997 I think? [00:14] schestowitz I bet he voted Trump [00:14] schestowitz yes, he did [00:14] schestowitz a year later started gnome [00:14] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:14] DaemonFC[m] They told him he couldn't get a visa so they couldn't hire him at that point. [00:14] schestowitz gnu didn't heed the warning [00:14] schestowitz he was a Microsoft loyalist all along [00:14] schestowitz and was used like a mole [00:14] schestowitz rms called him "traitor" later [00:15] schestowitz apparently Facebook is better at the 'visa mill' [00:15] schestowitz to the point where there's a big lawsuit now [00:15] schestowitz Microsoft has done this for decades [00:15] schestowitz Grasley blasted them for it [00:15] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Someone bought an HP Omen laptop from Walmart's Black Friday sale. [00:15] schestowitz but nothing ever came out of it [00:16] schestowitz now they don't hire, they use temps and contractors [00:16] DaemonFC[m] Said that they couldn't even use it because the first thing it did were fetch failed updates and go into a boot loop. [00:16] DaemonFC[m] I remembered hearing something from Microsoft about how if the updates failed it would quit trying to apply them, and that was years ago. [00:17] DaemonFC[m] I guess they're back at it. [00:18] DaemonFC[m] Alex St. John, the guy behind DirectX, was talking about what a disaster Windows Update had turned into with Windows 10. [00:18] schestowitz Windows Update is TECHNCIALLY a botnet [00:18] schestowitz and botnets also imply you have no control over your machine and traffic in/out [00:18] DaemonFC[m] he said it rendered his laptop unusable and he had to borrow a client's macbook. [00:18] DaemonFC[m] Which sounds very professional, doesn't it? [00:18] schestowitz unless you unplug it [00:18] schestowitz but it'll resume the moment you replug [00:19] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft slipped in a P2P thing that uses your computer to send updates to others to keep their bandwidth costs down. [00:19] DaemonFC[m] They use the bandwidth you're paying for instead. [00:19] DaemonFC[m] How nice of them. [00:20] DaemonFC[m] Even small Linux distributions that really do get by on $5 and $10 donations from people don't do things like that. [00:20] schestowitz yeah [00:20] schestowitz and for the latest back doors [00:21] schestowitz and further pillage of data, control [00:21] schestowitz windows should be classified accordingly [00:21] DaemonFC[m] Here you have a trillion dollar company stealing your bandwidth that your ISP bills you for in "data packages" to serve updates. [00:21] schestowitz nice company.. [00:21] schestowitz many people don't know this BTW [00:21] schestowitz the so-called 'media' is not talking about it [00:21] schestowitz but... "MICROSOFT LOVES LINUX" [00:22] schestowitz VERY important... PR campaign [00:22] DaemonFC[m] Well, so many things Windows does are what you'd call malware if another program arrived on the computer and started ticking enough of those boxes. [00:22] DaemonFC[m] In some cases, just one thing alone. [00:23] DaemonFC[m] I'm not ready to call Firefox malware for anonymized usage data, although I turn it off. [00:23] DaemonFC[m] But Windows doesn't anonymize it. [00:23] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft says they'll never use it to contact you or to identify you unless they have to in order to comply with a law. [00:23] DaemonFC[m] And there's where you should be very afraid. [00:25] DaemonFC[m] So there's over a billion devices with Windows 10 that are dutifully reporting home on everything from embarrassments (Watching porn, cheating on their spouse, etc....) to crimes (illegal porn, income tax evasion) to invasions of privacy that aren't criminal but could get you on a list (reading certain publications, etc.). [00:25] DaemonFC[m] And you're right, most users don't consider it until the cops are there hauling away their computer and slapping them in handcuffs. [00:26] DaemonFC[m] Or they are at an airport one day and CBP hauls them in for some "questioning". [00:27] DaemonFC[m] Or they start getting embarrassing ads popping up somewhere else, like Facebook, and they are alarmed but don't know where they're coming from. [00:28] DaemonFC[m] If the government thinks you're committing a crime, they ought to have to do some real police work to catch you and prove it in court. [00:28] DaemonFC[m] They don't and a lot of it is companies like GAFAM just giving them stuff they collected. [00:29] DaemonFC[m] The whole point of the entire tech industry being in on it is that they get a lot of data about you if you use any of it, and a complete picture if you use a few things. [00:30] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: There was an episode of The Orville where they reconstructed a holographic simulation of a woman based on an old cell phone they found. [00:30] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [00:30] DaemonFC[m] The computer was able to extrapolate a complete psychological profile about her from data from the phone and presumably archived records that went into the "cloud" at some point and nobody ever deleted because data storage just keeps getting easier so why bother. [00:31] DaemonFC[m] The episode didn't even comment on the dystopian aspects of this. [00:31] DaemonFC[m] The fact that devices and apps collect so much data that software can just predict what you will do. Then you get risk scores and they have their eyes on you without having to put in a lot of hours or anything. [00:32] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:32] DaemonFC[m] The NSA admitted that they pay special attention to people who they know use Tor. [00:32] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights [00:32] DaemonFC[m] So it's basically getting people to admit they need privacy for some reason and then they become more interesting because they've called themselves out for extra attention. [00:33] *Blukunfando (~bkf@62.57.153.77.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #techrights [00:33] DaemonFC[m] So, Tor is doing more harm than good by creating a Windows version. [00:33] DaemonFC[m] They should drop the Windows version and say use Tails. [00:33] MinceR you mean heads [00:33] MinceR tails comes with an nsa backdoor [00:35] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [00:36] schestowitz systemd? [00:36] schestowitz kdbus? [00:38] MinceR systemd [00:42] schestowitz nsa looked into kdbus [00:42] schestowitz maybe systemd also [00:42] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=nsa-kdbus-credentials [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix [00:42] schestowitz http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1507.1/01758.html [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: kdbus: credential faking [00:43] schestowitz anyhow... systemd is in shithub [00:43] schestowitz which nsa controls though microsoft [00:43] schestowitz and for 'security' they now 'fix' your code for you [00:44] schestowitz for security [00:44] schestowitz they say [00:44] schestowitz maybe also "national security" [00:44] schestowitz Microsoft loves Pentagon (grift) [00:46] MinceR the usa doesn't enforce antitrust law against microshit, and in exchange, microshit does everything they can to backdoor your computers for the usa [00:46] schestowitz yeah [00:46] schestowitz so the word goes [00:46] schestowitz scuttled in exchange for closer cooperation [00:47] schestowitz scuttling the antitrust verdict [00:47] schestowitz no split-up [00:47] schestowitz with IBM it was contracting outwards [00:47] schestowitz giving software side, partly, to bill [00:47] vZS1 I think Gentoo offers a lot of choice for users. The docs are pretty good too [00:47] schestowitz coz bill's mom asked [00:47] vZS1 They actually use bugzilla still [00:47] schestowitz her failing son already had one bankrupt company [00:47] schestowitz almost a second [00:48] schestowitz mom to the rescue [00:48] vZS1 OpenRC as well. Instead of systemd [00:48] MinceR yeah, if i needed something built from source, i'd create a funtoo or gentoo stratum [00:48] vZS1 I follow their RSS security feed [00:49] vZS1 It's better than Debian's [00:49] vZS1 Gentoo have an RSS for their bugzilla too [00:49] schestowitz vZS1: as you can see if you check, I freed up many GBs on the raspi [00:50] DaemonFC[m] We already set another record for new cases today. [00:50] DaemonFC[m] Beat yesterday by over 2,000. [00:50] vZS1 schestowitz: I'll have a look later [00:50] schestowitz uploading new indexes now [00:50] schestowitz the process gets slower [00:50] schestowitz now takes 2 minues [00:50] vZS1 I'm in bed with my Roman history books now [00:51] schestowitz index.html 100% 52KB 2.1KB/s 00:25 [00:51] schestowitz txt 100% 30KB 2.4KB/s 00:12 [00:51] vZS1 Will check the computers in the morning [00:51] schestowitz after a year the files would be megabytes in size [00:52] vZS1 They're so repetitive that they'll compress down a lot [00:52] schestowitz gzip over http? [00:52] vZS1 xz is better [00:52] vZS1 Better ratios [00:52] schestowitz less widely supported [00:52] vZS1 Not really [00:52] schestowitz and fb is pushing its own now [00:52] vZS1 That's a myth [00:53] schestowitz shithub-hosted iirc [00:53] vZS1 Even 7zip on Windows supports xz ootb [00:53] schestowitz actually, I'm sure [00:54] vZS1 zstd is faster but worse ratios than xz [00:54] vZS1 xz is still the best ratio-wise [00:54] vZS1 Which is what's important for archiving [00:58] vZS1 And so what if it's less supported. I'm not going to avoid using technology which is better because of luddites [00:58] vZS1 Assuming it's less supported (which it isn't) [00:59] vZS1 That's just like the usability trap [00:59] vZS1 Concern trolling ● Dec 05 [01:25] schestowitz Re: International Day Against DRM, Friday December 4th, 2020 [01:25] schestowitz > Here's one more: [01:25] schestowitz > [01:25] schestowitz > International Day Against DRM, Friday December 4th, 2020 [01:25] schestowitz > [01:25] schestowitz > https://www.april.org/en/international-day-against-drm-friday-december-4th-2020 [01:25] schestowitz Did anyone notice any visible action? [01:25] schestowitz I saw none [01:25] schestowitz just a late blog post from FSF/DBD [01:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.april.org | International Day Against DRM, Friday December 4th, 2020 | April [01:25] schestowitz > Regardless of what expectations I do or do not have, the latest article [01:26] schestowitz > (about SFC) convinces me that today was just as good a day as any would be. [01:26] schestowitz > [01:26] schestowitz > Time is not getting longer, for this movement. There is a perpetual [01:26] schestowitz > tsunami of bullshit, and people will face it either with buckets or with [01:26] schestowitz > complete surrender. [01:26] schestowitz The timing of your article was apt. [01:30] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [01:30] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: 2,712 dead so far [01:30] schestowitz more than 9/11 [01:31] schestowitz depending on who you count [01:35] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [01:35] DaemonFC[m] Hopefully, John will be one of them. [01:35] vZS1 Some little birds brought me the message [01:35] vZS1 Seems like people are getting very fed up with DRM [01:37] schestowitz oh, wow [01:37] schestowitz for the first time in 4 years [01:37] schestowitz twitter ACTUALLY sent me my archive [01:37] schestowitz of tweets [01:37] schestowitz So I can bring http://schestowitz.com/tweets/ up to date [01:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Your Twitter archive [01:37] vZS1 The web browser monopolies will come crumbling down, if they're too aggressive with their DRM [01:37] schestowitz wonder how bloated that page would then be [01:40] vZS1 So when are you leaving Twitter [01:41] vZS1 Balkanisation is bad for health [01:49] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [01:49] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [01:51] *vZS1 has quit (Quit: Quit) [01:53] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [01:53] *liberty_box 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*CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) [06:53] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [06:53] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [06:57] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [06:59] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Dec 05 [07:00] schestowitz Ariadne: http://pleroma.fr/ "503 Service Unavailable" and pleroma.site the same, I assume nobody you know online knows or heard about href's situation or decision [07:01] schestowitz would be nice to be able to contact him myself, maybe he can pass the domain to someone who can bring it back online and maintain/run it [07:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ http://pleroma.fr/ ) [07:01] schestowitz and I'm willing to have a go at it [07:01] schestowitz I have like a quarter million posts there [07:02] schestowitz the whole thing shows how precarious those things are, even for self-hosting there are limitations in this context [07:04] schestowitz If someone here has some spare time, consider going through 1) https://archive.org/search.php?query=mediatype%3Amovies%20AND%20collection%3Adigitaltippingpoint%20AND%20subject%3A%22Friedman%2C%20Nat%22 and 2) https://archive.org/search.php?query=mediatype%3Amovies%20AND%20collection%3Adigitaltippingpoint%20AND%20subject%3A%22Peters%2C%20Stormy%22 [07:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Internet Archive Search: mediatype:movies AND subject:"Friedman, Nat" [07:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Internet Archive Search: mediatype:movies AND subject:"Peters, Stormy" [07:05] schestowitz Pick quotes of theirs about Microsoft [07:05] schestowitz it can be interesting and revealing [07:05] schestowitz Friedman was a Microsoft intern before his 'interest' in "OSS" [07:05] schestowitz and Peters was working for Microsoft people for well over a decade [07:05] schestowitz we need to explain their Microsoft affinity is nothing like a "change of heart" [07:06] schestowitz Examining those videos is a big job but doable, we need pointers, can then rip the relevant bits with some context ● Dec 05 [08:05] Ariadne why do tech companies make stupid songs about their companies [08:07] schestowitz who just did it again? [08:12] Ariadne oh, the latest example i found was one that kaspersky lab did in 2011 [08:14] schestowitz they became really bad [08:14] schestowitz I mean, geeks never respected them much [08:14] schestowitz as they were Windows-focused [08:14] schestowitz now they actively spread FUD [08:15] Ariadne antivirus software is ineffective against modern malware anyway [08:15] schestowitz Ariadne: a long time ago I came to a conclusion [08:15] schestowitz as RMS fought for 35 years [08:15] schestowitz and as we deal with monsters with endless budgets [08:15] schestowitz the songs and astroturfing should be expected [08:15] schestowitz and losing cool over their PR nonsense can only do harm [08:16] schestowitz better to ignore those things and keep repeating the facts [08:16] schestowitz like in the case of IBM [08:16] schestowitz they will try to paint as "racist" people who still use git "master" branch [08:16] schestowitz they create problems that don't really exist [08:16] schestowitz to then be seen as "woke" solution makers [08:16] schestowitz the best way to rebut is to highlight their own hypocrisy [08:16] schestowitz and then they panic a little [08:16] schestowitz in the case of songs, [08:16] schestowitz like Kaspersky, [08:17] schestowitz mention stuff like their connection to the Russian state [08:17] schestowitz the the Mafia/oligarchy it's connected to [08:17] Ariadne well, kaspersky has done some interesting research on NSA malware [08:17] schestowitz the song is a distraction (never even see/heard it) [08:18] schestowitz iow, we need to choose our battles carefully [08:18] schestowitz selective in what's strategically important [08:18] Ariadne as far as endpoint security software for windows goes, hitmanpro alert is really interesting [08:18] schestowitz [07:43] x https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9014825/Bill-Gates-warns-five-months-pretty-grim-COVID.html [08:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Bill Gates warns the next five months will be 'pretty grim' for US for COVID | Daily Mail Online [08:18] schestowitz [07:43] # bill sez [08:18] schestowitz [07:43] = [08:18] schestowitz [07:43] x https://www.today.com/video/bill-gates-it-looks-like-almost-all-the-vaccines-are-going-to-succeed-97041477839 [08:18] Ariadne it introduces some grsecurity-like features [08:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.today.com | Bill Gates: It looks like almost all the vaccines are going to succeed [08:18] schestowitz [07:43] # bill sez [08:18] schestowitz [07:43] = [08:18] schestowitz [07:43] x https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/03/bill-gates-just-released-a-plan-for-us-leadership-on-climate-change-including-35b-in-funding/ [08:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Gates just released a plan for US leadership on climate change, including $35B in funding TechCrunch [08:19] schestowitz [07:43] # wtf?? [08:19] schestowitz no point writing rebuttals to this junk, paid-for marketing [08:19] schestowitz as it would merely give more visibility to the astroturf [08:19] schestowitz grsecurity seems aggressive [08:19] schestowitz I get threatened or get very nasty messages from them [08:19] schestowitz each time I mention them or their SLAPP [08:19] schestowitz I assume it's from Brat/Brett [08:19] schestowitz *Brad [08:19] Ariadne i'm talking strictly about the software [08:19] schestowitz Freudian slip [08:20] Ariadne brad is of course an ass [08:20] Ariadne alpine used to be one of the biggest supporters of grsecurity [08:20] Ariadne so did debian [08:20] Ariadne he basically told us to fuck off [08:20] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [08:20] schestowitz tbh, I don't know their staff or stuff [08:20] *vZS1 has quit (Client Quit) [08:20] schestowitz at a technical level [08:20] Ariadne because he got mad that some company was using grsecurity in their product [08:20] schestowitz do you know their code? Does Linus know? [08:21] schestowitz I mean, does he actually bother reading more than a LOC here and there? [08:21] schestowitz c code isn't always pretty [08:21] Ariadne on a technical level, grsecurity had PaX (which basically ran Linux under a quasi-hypervisor) [08:21] Ariadne and various features to observe process behavior [08:21] Ariadne and processes doing dodgy shit it would automatically kill [08:22] schestowitz sounds like what we now have by default in some distros for RAM contraints [08:22] schestowitz and of course systemd had to do it its own way [08:22] schestowitz because systemd knows better than the kernel, as always [08:22] Ariadne yeah but in case of grsecurity it is about stopping rootkits [08:22] schestowitz oom [08:22] schestowitz and "d" [08:23] Ariadne the kernel oom killer sucks [08:23] schestowitz like, how often do you even have rootkits? [08:23] Ariadne alpine is planning on introducing a userspace virtual memory manager [08:23] Ariadne well [08:23] Ariadne back in the day [08:23] Ariadne a lot of indymedia sites [08:23] Ariadne were powered by alpine + grsec [08:23] Ariadne and various intelligence agencies did try to fuck with them (: [08:23] schestowitz to spy? [08:24] schestowitz or more? [08:24] Ariadne to gain unauthorized access [08:24] schestowitz for what purposes? do we know? [08:24] schestowitz I a curious [08:24] Ariadne probably to put a rootkit on the machine [08:24] Ariadne :P [08:24] schestowitz as I think British cops had a run on us several times for over a decade [08:25] schestowitz Ariadne: to study the people who run the site and what they say? [08:25] Ariadne yes, basically [08:25] schestowitz sometimes they test people [08:25] Ariadne harvest IPs etc [08:25] schestowitz like sting ops [08:25] Ariadne i wish alpine still had a good relationship with grsecurity [08:25] Ariadne because techrights would benefit [08:25] schestowitz to paint people as extreme, then shut down the operations [08:25] schestowitz grsecurity hates me also [08:25] Ariadne but brad decided to be a dick [08:25] Ariadne so whatevs [08:25] schestowitz so that's two things they hate, at two levels [08:26] Ariadne and mainline kernel is catching up anyway [08:26] schestowitz btw, to harvest addresses of visitors they have better means [08:26] schestowitz JS, ISP, etc. [08:26] schestowitz even DNS lookups [08:27] schestowitz ipfs makes it just a 'bit' harder [08:27] schestowitz I have a big article coming today about SFC [08:27] schestowitz based on specialised knowledge from somebody [08:27] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:27] Ariadne well theres other reasons to put a rootkit on an activism site's server [08:28] schestowitz lots of EPO internal docs to publish this week as well (several dozens) [08:28] Ariadne more data is always better than less to those people [08:28] schestowitz [08:27] well theres other reasons to put a rootkit on an activism site's server [08:28] schestowitz better motivations I know of are: [08:28] schestowitz creating conflicts among members [08:29] schestowitz by studying how they communicate [08:29] Ariadne correct [08:29] schestowitz then create rift, make the group scuttle [08:29] schestowitz I learned a lot from watching Wikileaks [08:29] schestowitz FBI even put a mole in their IRC server [08:29] Ariadne in the case of indymedia, the obama administration mostly caused it to disband [08:29] schestowitz to truck over the logs and stuff [08:29] Ariadne because people stopped caring [08:30] Ariadne oh, bush is out, problem solved!!! [08:30] schestowitz now Trump [08:30] schestowitz and soon we'll all take vaccines coz Bush W does :-) [08:30] Ariadne yeah but social media was the replacement [08:30] schestowitz Trusted Brands(TM) [08:30] Ariadne i'm not fucking with that mRNA vaccine [08:30] schestowitz as if people who reject gov vaccine programs like Obama and Bush [08:30] schestowitz [08:18] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.today.com | Bill Gates: It looks like almost all the vaccines are going to succeed [08:31] schestowitz Man who put investment stakes in all vaccines [08:31] schestowitz with repeated arrests [08:31] schestowitz oligarchs [08:31] schestowitz what an endorsement [08:31] schestowitz more of a way of making people NOT want to roll up their sleeve [08:31] Ariadne i already have an overactive immune system that causes fibromyalgia [08:31] Ariadne with my luck, i'd wind up with lupus [08:31] Ariadne no thanks i'm good [08:31] schestowitz back to Bush and Obama [08:32] schestowitz the oligarchy controls the gov. [08:32] Ariadne i'll wait for a non-mRNA vaccine [08:32] schestowitz under Trump it was the same [08:32] schestowitz the party in power matters more to public appearances [08:32] schestowitz they always crush those who are a "thorn on the side" [08:32] schestowitz thankfully we don't take on military etc. [08:32] schestowitz but some tech companies are army extensions [08:33] schestowitz mind you, Ariadne [08:33] schestowitz watch out for any future attempts to cause conflicts between us [08:33] schestowitz esp. if it's a second-hand "account" [08:33] Ariadne i make my own decisions based on actual facts [08:33] schestowitz This was attempted before, a sort of divide-and-rule strategy [08:34] schestowitz one example goes only months back [08:34] schestowitz also attempts to dissuade contributors/guest authors [08:34] schestowitz or whistleblowers [08:34] schestowitz (if they know who those are) [08:34] Ariadne i mean, bluntly [08:34] Ariadne you're entitled to your own opinions [08:35] schestowitz my opinions are not too controversial [08:35] schestowitz not as some people's [08:35] schestowitz but I was thinking 2 hours ago [08:35] schestowitz a determined person [08:35] Ariadne the only thing that would piss me off is if i went to techrights.org and saw white power shit [08:35] schestowitz could go through 12 years of IRC logs [08:35] Ariadne or anti-LGBT shit [08:35] schestowitz that's 24/7, for over 12 years [08:35] schestowitz and then cherry-pick things I typed that can sound "sexist" or "Racist" [08:36] schestowitz then put that in some site like "geekFeminism" [08:36] schestowitz to make people look away or call for a boycott [08:36] Ariadne well i've been "cancelled" a few times by idiots [08:36] schestowitz there used to be several sites calling for a boycott of ours [08:36] schestowitz inc. domains named to that effect [08:36] Ariadne so i know better than to take anything i read on the internet at face value [08:36] schestowitz that was before the term "cancel culture" existed [08:37] schestowitz Oliva said the same [08:37] schestowitz that he had been cancelled [08:37] schestowitz without even realising it [08:37] schestowitz now we have better vocabulary to explain those things [08:37] schestowitz many gaslighting and bullying victims don't realise it until years or decades later [08:37] schestowitz mjg59 is here now [08:37] schestowitz I very much doubt he's here for the "lols" [08:39] Ariadne in my case, thosepeople harassed me because i demonstrated they were sold a pile of crap with mastodon (: [08:40] Ariadne i guess it is convenient to shoot the messenger rather than demand somebody do competent work [08:40] schestowitz be forewarned [08:40] schestowitz skulduggery will be attempted [08:40] schestowitz Ariadne: http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/05/ [08:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [08:41] schestowitz this is more like the stallman.org political notes [08:41] schestowitz he separated these from gnu and fsf [08:41] schestowitz nobody can take them offline but himself [08:41] Ariadne stallman, again, is right on many issues, does not mean i agree 100% with him on everything [08:41] schestowitz right [08:42] schestowitz nobody [08:42] schestowitz 100% [08:42] schestowitz that's OK [08:42] Ariadne i doubt i agree 100% with anyone on anything [08:42] schestowitz 100% means we FORCE people to ALIGN with our views [08:42] schestowitz Twitter is a zone that encourages this [08:43] Ariadne anyway, i work for a company which produces an enterprise version of alpine for servers and telecom gear [08:43] Ariadne so i expect the intelligence agencies of the world to fuck with me regardless [08:43] schestowitz companies are full of differing views [08:43] Ariadne because that's a high value target [08:43] schestowitz but they have limitations [08:43] Ariadne i hold signing keys for an OS running on infrastructure [08:43] schestowitz because of blowback [08:44] schestowitz with wikileaks they did the "sexist" type smear [08:44] schestowitz even prior to Sweden [08:44] schestowitz they did the same to Bernie [08:44] schestowitz "bros" [08:45] schestowitz and on Corbyn they kept Red Scare and "antisemitism" [08:45] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:46] *rianne__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [08:46] Ariadne its pretty wild to think about how i have a solar panel which gathers light, charges a battery and then uses that battery to send signals back to space for internet access [08:46] Ariadne (all monitored by an alpine raspberry pi system) [08:46] schestowitz I think you live in a remote area [08:46] schestowitz with goats and stuff [08:46] Ariadne i do [08:46] schestowitz wish I could do that [08:47] schestowitz covid make remote living more popular [08:47] schestowitz there's an UNDERsupply of such houses now [08:47] schestowitz so their value sky-rocketed [08:47] Ariadne yeah i got in pre-covid [08:47] Ariadne $80k for 51.87 acres [08:47] Ariadne :) [08:47] schestowitz business/retail and city living "properties" plummeted [08:48] schestowitz so many jobs are "remote" now [08:48] schestowitz so people want more space at home [08:48] schestowitz around the home, inside the home [08:48] schestowitz also distance from other peopole [08:48] Ariadne well, people are the worst [08:48] schestowitz people who uses to have an apartment to "just sleep in" [08:49] Ariadne i've been doing a lot of sleeping in this year [08:49] schestowitz I means [08:49] schestowitz I meant [08:49] schestowitz not "'sleep in" [08:49] schestowitz rather, to sleep inside the home [08:49] Ariadne this year has been unexciting [08:49] schestowitz people like stallman who said there's no point paying rent to just sleep in a place [08:49] schestowitz ended up sleeping in his officer [08:49] schestowitz officer [08:50] schestowitz to save time/money [08:50] Ariadne this year has mostly been sleeping and watching movies on bluray and dvd media [08:50] schestowitz When i worked at the university, on site, until 2007, it was like there [08:50] schestowitz go home, eat sleep, go back to the office [08:50] schestowitz so you pay rent for a place to eat/sleep [08:50] Ariadne streaming services are a no-go for me [08:51] schestowitz disservices [08:51] schestowitz right now we use peertube [08:51] Ariadne not because of DRM (i don't care, as i would be consuming that media on an appliance anyway) [08:51] schestowitz the one of blender [08:51] schestowitz lots of nice blender clips, p2p [08:51] Ariadne but because of the fact that i havea quota'd connection [08:52] Ariadne after 75GB of transfer, my connection is 'deprioritized' [08:52] schestowitz we once went to a farm house with a connection like that [08:52] schestowitz over satellite [08:52] Ariadne which means it can be as low as 3mbps down during the day [08:52] schestowitz very slow connection, makes you think how you use the Net and what in it [08:52] schestowitz lots of DVDs there, hundreds [08:52] Ariadne and DRM is defeated in the end usually [08:52] Ariadne see also: DeCSS [08:53] Ariadne and the bluray one [08:53] schestowitz 75gb is how much our raspi alone does with ipfs [08:53] Ariadne and, hell, widevine (: [08:53] Ariadne yeah [08:53] Ariadne we also have a verizon lte connection [08:53] schestowitz which microsoft defends [08:53] schestowitz it derails projects that circumvent it [08:53] Ariadne i try to loadbalance [08:53] schestowitz the media did not cover that [08:53] Ariadne in fairness, that github project had the widevine master key embedded in it [08:54] schestowitz so? digg.com did too [08:54] Ariadne which is technically illegal [08:54] schestowitz for the sony drm stuff [08:54] schestowitz and people reposted it a lot [08:54] schestowitz if your system depends for 'protection' on some string being a "secret", maybe it deserves to be broken [08:54] schestowitz like the 'DRM' youtube-dl tackled [08:54] Ariadne in the widevine client i am working on, you have to download the key elsewhere [08:54] schestowitz basically go to url, get plain text second url [08:54] Ariadne that gets around the DMCA problem [08:55] schestowitz that's not even DRM [08:55] Ariadne if the RIAA thought that was bullshit [08:55] Ariadne wait untilthey find out about deezer [08:55] schestowitz CFAA needs to be abolished too [08:55] Ariadne there is a software, smloadr [08:55] Ariadne which lets you download FLACs [08:55] Ariadne from deezer [08:55] Ariadne for $0 [08:55] Ariadne :D [08:56] Ariadne i think in that case, they would have some legitimate complaints [08:56] Ariadne deezer should not be allowing that [08:56] Ariadne its a bug in their website, but they don't care to fix it [08:57] Ariadne i know a lot of musicians [08:57] oiaohm Ariadne: widevine we have seen DCMA again Widevine-L3-Decryptor [08:57] oiaohm again/against [08:57] Ariadne oiaohm: yes, which had the master key embedded in it [08:58] oiaohm Digital rights management turns into a game of wack a mole in most cases with the poor consumer basically being the mole. [08:58] Ariadne i agree [08:58] Ariadne anyway, i know a lot of musicians, which have told me [08:58] Ariadne they would rather people torrent their music instead of use spotify [08:58] Ariadne because spotify pays them literally pennies per month [08:58] schestowitz they are powerless [08:58] Ariadne so its not worth it to them [08:58] schestowitz most are [08:59] schestowitz some are deluded into thinking they are in control [08:59] schestowitz but the channels of distribution are monopolies [08:59] schestowitz you can get canceled within one hour for a controversial political statement [08:59] Ariadne one cool thing about covid is [08:59] schestowitz and few artists got their own label, even Michael Jackson was "property" of Sony [08:59] schestowitz after Motown [08:59] Ariadne there's been a lot of concert videos go up on youtube for free ● Dec 05 [09:00] schestowitz same for football [09:00] oiaohm Not all channels of distributions are monopolies. Just the well known ones are [09:00] schestowitz no spectators [09:00] Ariadne not that i like youtube [09:00] schestowitz so to get interest in sport they make clips available online [09:00] Ariadne i dislike google services [09:00] schestowitz 'services' [09:00] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [09:00] *birkoff (birkoff@unaffiliated/birkoff) has joined #techrights [09:00] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [09:00] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-olkiyywvuqjnbuln) has joined #techrights [09:00] schestowitz "If you're inactive in one or more of these services for two years (24 months), Google may delete the content in the product(s) in which you're inactive. " https://www.blog.google/products/photos/storage-policy-update [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.blog.google | An update to storage policies across your Google Account [09:01] Ariadne however [09:01] Ariadne youtube-dl is pretty great [09:01] oiaohm That has a lot of uses outside youtube. [09:01] Ariadne data use between midnight and 9am is not counted against quota [09:01] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:01] Ariadne so i queue stuff up :) [09:02] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:02] oiaohm There are a lot of training videos from different educational sites I have to use with work I have got with youtube-dl. [09:02] oiaohm That good when network connection is not exactly good. [09:03] Ariadne right now on viasat, i am pulling down 70mbps [09:03] Ariadne with 300ms latency [09:05] Ariadne and as more of their LEO satellites come online [09:05] Ariadne it should be down to about 100ms latency [09:05] Ariadne which will be amazing [09:06] oiaohm Worst I have had on sat was a 1.5 second latency. [09:06] oiaohm and that suxed. [09:06] Ariadne the viasat gateway also has transparent cache for http websites [09:06] Ariadne which does heavy prefetching [09:07] Ariadne unfortunately, https does not benefit from that obviously [09:07] Ariadne since that would require MITMing all connections [09:27] schestowitz [09:03] with 300ms latency [09:27] schestowitz that might be OK [09:27] schestowitz depends how you use the Net [09:27] schestowitz or the Web [09:27] schestowitz I think I'd be OK with it [09:28] schestowitz for big downloads you can ssh to some other node somewhere, then download by proxy to it [09:32] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:32] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [09:36] Ariadne nini [09:37] schestowitz I am downloading my twitter archive at the momenr [09:37] schestowitz 1.7 gb and going [09:38] schestowitz it's so awfully slow [09:38] schestowitz it comes from a server ton.twitter.com [09:38] schestowitz never saw this address before [09:38] schestowitz I think the archive is like a 2GB zip file [09:38] schestowitz just for the text [09:39] schestowitz https://twitter.com/DMCANews/status/1335130137868652544 [09:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DMCANews: Awesome!!!! 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[15:30] schestowitz yay [15:44] *amreo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:45] *amreo (~amreo@host-82-52-143-151.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [15:53] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [15:53] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [15:54] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:54] smnthermes > [05:25:41] schestowitz: grsecurity hates me also [15:54] smnthermes You mean this? https://nitter.snopyta.org/grsecurity/status/1043940928719851521#m [15:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.snopyta.org | grsecurity (@grsecurity): "I'm sure you'll be able to cite any source where we demanded Linus put our code in Linux. Of course you won't be able to, because it's a complete fabrication that fits whatever narrative you're going for." | nitter [15:56] MinceR grsecurity probably hates everyone who doesn't buy into microshit's snake oil [15:57] smnthermes https://nitter.net/spendergrsec/status/1293155014815420418#m [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Brad Spengler (@spendergrsec): "Why don't you inform your readers you're quoting anonymous troll and self-professed pedophile Mikeeusa who has resurfaced again with another anonymous remailer address to post what you quoted? This is the same person who claimed the GPL could be rescinded" | nitter [15:57] smnthermes https://nitter.net/spendergrsec/status/1293155787859206146#m [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Brad Spengler (@spendergrsec): "Importantly, neither the FSF nor the SFC, nor in fact any actual lawyer agrees with this bizarre claim from an anonymous troll. More info about the source of the claim can be found here: https://grsecurity.net/setting_the_record_straight_on_oss_v_perens_part1 Thanks for doing your part, "Dr" to continue the troll's harrassment" | nitter ● Dec 05 [16:00] smnthermes Mikeeusa is cancer though [16:02] MinceR so's grsecurity [16:07] schestowitz smnthermes: yes, that [16:07] schestowitz but... [16:07] schestowitz they have another issue [16:07] schestowitz Brat [sic] in particular [16:07] schestowitz they pretend all their critics are just Mikeeusa [16:07] schestowitz who is indeed highly toxic [16:07] schestowitz but Torvalds never based his criticism on anything Mikeeusa [16:08] schestowitz and I don't think Perens did, either [16:08] schestowitz anyway, I stay away from Brat [16:08] schestowitz Brat is really rude and unpleasant online [16:08] schestowitz only polite compared to Mikeeusa [16:13] MinceR https://files.catbox.moe/r9pt0s.jpg [16:56] oiaohm Darn that a good goof sign placement ● Dec 05 [17:03] *fujisan (uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-viwtmifpisgfzexj) has joined #techrights [17:06] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:06] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:08] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:25] *Now talking on #techrights [17:25] *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell [17:25] *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 [17:25] *schestowitz (~schestowi@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:25] *schestowitz has quit (Changing host) [17:25] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [17:25] *libertybox (~schestowi@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:25] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:25] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:25] *acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [17:34] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:36] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:44] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [17:44] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:47] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [17:48] vZS1 schestowitz: doing work on the Pi? [17:50] schestowitz No, connection was reset [17:50] schestowitz so ip rotated [17:50] schestowitz I don't have the tools for work on the pi [17:51] schestowitz zoobab is into soldering [17:51] schestowitz I think one of my friends have has the gear [17:51] schestowitz but need to check [17:51] schestowitz he's vulnerable group [17:51] schestowitz I need to put some HATs [17:51] schestowitz for monitoring the sites [17:51] schestowitz LEDs and buttons ● Dec 05 [18:28] vZS1 Ah [18:28] vZS1 Mine doesn't have anything on it apart from a plastic case [18:39] schestowitz A friend sent it to me [18:39] schestowitz there are no manuals [18:39] schestowitz I will need to find some online [18:39] schestowitz then get the scripts installed to use the HATs [18:39] schestowitz I have not even assembled the enclosure yet [18:39] schestowitz as it would defeat the purpose when I reopen it [18:39] schestowitz maybe a xmas project ● Dec 05 [19:16] vZS1 I just have an enclosure because I use it as a headless server [19:19] *amreo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:20] *amreo (~amreo@host-82-52-143-151.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [19:38] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ilpqogltmhlqsyet) has joined #techrights ● Dec 05 [20:02] DaemonFC[m] "People saw an unstable individual mixing misogynistic comments with nonsensical legal theories." [20:02] DaemonFC[m] Ladies and Gentlemen, the President for another 47 days, of the United States! :) [20:09] DaemonFC[m] schestowitzMinceR At least with the Coronavirus we have the first fascist movement that's marching itself to the gas chambers. [20:09] DaemonFC[m] The world does seem to have a perverse sense of humor sometimes. [20:10] DaemonFC[m] Picking off fascists and random ignorant people more than the population at large. [20:15] schestowitz him DaemonFC[m] [20:16] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: the US had gas chambers too [20:16] schestowitz https://www.britannica.com/topic/gas-chamber [20:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gas chamber | execution device | Britannica [20:16] DaemonFC[m] For prisoners sentenced to death. [20:16] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: can you read with me latest article? [20:16] schestowitz it's ready for final read [20:16] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [20:17] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/05/journalist-campinos/ [20:17] schestowitz 5 secs ago [20:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Mister Antnio Campinos Joins IAM Media and IAM Magazine (Symptom of Dying Media) | Techrights [20:17] DaemonFC[m] Not random people marched in to die by the millions. [20:17] schestowitz not yet [20:17] DaemonFC[m] We're pretty much talking about the worst criminals convicted by a court, and then again, unanimously by a different jury to get the death sentence. [20:18] schestowitz when there's hyperinflation and hunger [20:18] schestowitz and a lost war [20:18] schestowitz then you check your 'assets' [20:18] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: If I ended up on such a sentencing jury I would consider what to do, very carefully. [20:19] DaemonFC[m] Leaning against imposing it, but not decided either way off the bat. [20:19] schestowitz we already saw nutty jidges and politicians [20:19] schestowitz more so under Trump [20:19] schestowitz like Barr [20:19] schestowitz as AG [20:19] schestowitz loyalty to party fuhrer/liiiieder! [20:19] schestowitz lieben? nicht!! [20:20] DaemonFC[m] Bill Barr will be gone soon. [20:20] DaemonFC[m] Dad's coming more unglued by the minute. [20:20] *amreo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:20] *amreo (~amreo@host-82-52-143-151.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [20:20] DaemonFC[m] As it sinks in that Trump has really lost, he's parroting those lawyers that were so crazy that Trump himself dismissed them. [20:20] schestowitz lol [20:21] schestowitz maybe the hair comes off next [20:21] schestowitz with the dye [20:21] schestowitz the pclinixos magazine of last week parroted some of it [20:21] schestowitz it's composed by bible belt people [20:21] schestowitz texstar is from around there [20:21] *amreo has quit (Client Quit) [20:21] DaemonFC[m] That lawyer with the youtube channel that I watch theorized that Giuliani dyes what's left of his hair due to Neurolinguistics theory. [20:21] schestowitz biggest trump fans those folks... [20:22] *amreo (~amreo@host-82-52-143-151.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [20:22] DaemonFC[m] Part of that theory is that if a person looks and sounds kind of like you then you put more weight into what they say. [20:22] *amreo has quit (Client Quit) [20:22] DaemonFC[m] So he says, "In a way it's just good client management.". [20:22] schestowitz lol [20:22] schestowitz anyway [20:22] schestowitz about my article [20:22] DaemonFC[m] The longer Giuliani runs the meter without being fired, the more days he gets paid $20 k. [20:22] schestowitz can you read through quickly? [20:23] DaemonFC[m] Oh, yeah. BRB [20:23] *amreo (~amreo@host-82-52-143-151.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [20:23] *amreo has quit (Client Quit) [20:23] DaemonFC[m] "many year" [20:23] *amreo (~amreo@host-82-52-143-151.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [20:23] DaemonFC[m] years [20:23] *amreo has quit (Client Quit) [20:24] *amreo (~amreo@host-82-52-143-151.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [20:24] DaemonFC[m] "I physically met journalists, who in turn" [20:24] DaemonFC[m] I've physically met journalists who, in turn, [20:25] DaemonFC[m] "for discussion Mr. Campinos." [20:25] schestowitz yeah [20:25] DaemonFC[m] for discussing [20:25] schestowitz oops [20:26] DaemonFC[m] or "for discussion of". [20:26] DaemonFC[m] "I saw it all," [20:27] DaemonFC[m] I've seen it all. (with a period, not comma) [20:28] DaemonFC[m] "Its really ugly, it is utterly disgusting, and it is patently corrupt." [20:28] DaemonFC[m] I'd say just use "it's" throughout. [20:28] DaemonFC[m] "Even wonder why theres media blackout about EPO scandals?" [20:28] DaemonFC[m] Ever [20:28] schestowitz yeah [20:29] DaemonFC[m] "Those arent coincidences, its all planned and those people know one another and have phonebooks." [20:29] DaemonFC[m] That's not coincidence. It's all planned, and those people know each other and have phone books. [20:30] schestowitz done [20:30] DaemonFC[m] "told me ysterday" [20:30] DaemonFC[m] yesterday [20:31] DaemonFC[m] "The should be a list" [20:31] DaemonFC[m] I know, direct quote.... [20:32] *davisr (davisr@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/davisr) has joined #techrights [20:32] DaemonFC[m] "Fraudlinger" [20:32] DaemonFC[m] What a name. [20:32] DaemonFC[m] Like fraud that lingers. [20:33] DaemonFC[m] "of the sorts of abuses" [20:33] DaemonFC[m] sort of abuses [20:34] schestowitz correcting [20:34] schestowitz I found so many typos, wow [20:34] schestowitz maybe I need coffee (to be fair, this was done in one fast pass) [20:35] schestowitz the fish look like they're hungry, bbiab, getting coffee also [20:36] *BifrostBot[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [20:37] *DaemonFC[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:37] *Blue_flame has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [20:37] *chris_uk[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [20:38] *rodolpho[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [20:38] *psydroid has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:58] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights ● Dec 05 [21:03] *rodolpho[m] (rodolphoma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsuiopodxgqpcpcy) has joined #techrights [21:04] *Blue_flame (kopynewmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hrnjkamywpyerolj) has joined #techrights [21:04] *BifrostBot[m] (bifrostmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-flybglfrkykrerue) has joined #techrights [21:05] schestowitz looks like the matrix gateway broke [21:06] *psydroid (psydroidma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-drlugkzwovuqqiba) has joined #techrights [21:09] schestowitz https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/03/facebook-hate-speech/ [21:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Facebook is overhauling its hate speech algorithms - The Washington Post [21:10] *chris_uk[m] (chrisukmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ltlveqibebbiielu) has joined #techrights [21:17] *DaemonFC[m] (daemonfcma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-apuofubayvlcyika) has joined #techrights [21:17] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: I lost you here [21:17] schestowitz matric issues, I think [21:17] schestowitz Last I saw was: [20:33] sort of abuses [21:17] schestowitz *matrix issues [21:26] *davisr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:41] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [21:45] DaemonFC[m] Oh great. [21:45] DaemonFC[m] Uh, you called him Campinis at one point. [21:45] DaemonFC[m] Did you fix that? [21:46] schestowitz yes [21:46] schestowitz no idea how that happened [21:46] schestowitz maybe finger slipped [21:46] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/05/antonio-sneakers/ [21:46] schestowitz Europe [21:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Nice and Cool Antnio Campinos, Now With Extra Sneakers | Techrights [21:46] schestowitz where you put on "casual" [21:46] schestowitz and then you're "nice" [21:48] DaemonFC[m] I think that everything went through. [21:48] schestowitz irc-wise? [21:48] DaemonFC[m] I have considered just breaking off IRC from Matrix and going back to using Konversation or HexChat for IRC. [21:49] DaemonFC[m] Too many weird bridge issues sometimes. [21:49] schestowitz Happy weekend from President Trump. Another 2,000 American dead. [21:49] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: what's the upper hand of matrix anyway? [21:49] schestowitz except being "new"? [21:49] schestowitz I saw Slack [21:49] schestowitz utter rubbish [21:50] schestowitz bloated and no real features [21:50] schestowitz like IRC 1989+bloat [21:51] DaemonFC[m] Aesthetic Animes can't be previewed. Do you want to join it?" Yes. "This room has been blocked from this homeserver due to abuse of the Code of Conduct.". [21:51] DaemonFC[m] God damn these people. [21:51] DaemonFC[m] Of course when I told Matrix to list rooms the other day there's one about bestiality with hundreds of people in it. [21:51] DaemonFC[m] And that's okay apparently. [21:52] DaemonFC[m] Not strictly speaking "illegal" to talk about I guess, but under the laws of most states you can be charged for "distributing" anything, so what they're doing in there is probably going beyond speech, I would imagine. [21:52] DaemonFC[m] Then again who knows? Might just be furries. They're weird. [21:53] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Well, the protocol and the web app are open source with Matrix, but not terribly well designed. [21:53] schestowitz maybe they met your ex date [21:53] schestowitz who "likes dogs" [21:53] DaemonFC[m] End to end encryption on Matrix chats, though. I guess that's good. [21:54] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I ended that one very quickly. [21:54] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/ [21:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights [21:54] schestowitz says the guy whose engineer was arrested in his mansion [21:54] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: That's the thing about people, pre-internet even. [21:54] schestowitz for rape of children pr0n [21:54] DaemonFC[m] You don't know who you're meeting. [21:54] schestowitz anal rape of kids aged around 10 iirc [21:55] DaemonFC[m] People were hosting those sorts of chats on AOL in the 1990s. [21:55] DaemonFC[m] Even though AOL required your credit card and home address and knew where you were dialing in from. [21:55] schestowitz this one might continues to haunt them http://techrights.org/2020/08/21/zoophilia-gates-estate/ [21:55] DaemonFC[m] So easy for police raids. [21:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Melinda and Zoophilia Found in Tandem in the Illegal Pornographic Stash of Bill Gates Engineer | Techrights [21:55] schestowitz but bill is busy saving the world now... or something [21:55] DaemonFC[m] But AOL pretty much turned a blind eye from what I've read. [21:56] schestowitz whoa 1,936 deaths now [21:56] schestowitz leaped from 1700 minutes ago [21:56] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: My aunt, the one who died in the car accident in 2013, was compulsively on AOL, even when they were billing by the hour. [21:56] schestowitz texas is a very red state now [21:56] DaemonFC[m] It was pretty tragic because she met a dentist on a dating room. [21:56] DaemonFC[m] Seemed to be going okay. [21:57] DaemonFC[m] Started eating better and exercising, and then found out it was just some asshole who wanted to cheat on his wife. [21:57] schestowitz i heard stories of liars [21:57] schestowitz they get their way [21:57] schestowitz by posing [21:57] DaemonFC[m] I remember her talking about it in the mid 90s. She thought she found a nice guy. [21:57] schestowitz good thing I didn't meet my wife "online" [21:57] schestowitz many these days meet people on FB, Internet, through friends etc. [21:58] DaemonFC[m] She said that he'd set up private rooms with passwords like molar. [21:58] schestowitz and by the time they chat in person it's awful [21:58] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I met Mandy on Grindr of all places. [21:58] schestowitz eww [21:58] schestowitz that connotates with "let's have gay sex" [21:58] schestowitz Not sure about what Tinder is associated with [21:59] schestowitz some sites associated with cheating [21:59] DaemonFC[m] He said he had met a couple people on there and tried to start a relationship with them and there was this one by the name of Nico who met his sister once and then bolted. [21:59] schestowitz and then with leaking members' names and details [21:59] DaemonFC[m] I told him "Can't imagine why.....". [21:59] schestowitz Good relationships don't start with "apps" [21:59] schestowitz I never had "apps" ● Dec 05 [22:00] schestowitz 235 covid deaths in IL [22:00] schestowitz wow, you are becoming the new NYS [22:02] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, basically. [22:02] DaemonFC[m] Mandy threw a fit this morning because I said we weren't going to the mall. [22:02] DaemonFC[m] They shouldn't even be open at this point. [22:03] DaemonFC[m] I told him we need to minimize going out to him at work and me doing the shopping until there's an effective vaccine. [22:03] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19603633 [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So far in December about 12,000 American #covid19 deaths... and it hasn't even been 5 days yet! [22:04] DaemonFC[m] This is not calming down. [22:04] schestowitz nope [22:04] schestowitz ramping up [22:04] schestowitz until strict lockdown and circuit-breaking [22:04] DaemonFC[m] It is, in fact, getting ready to calm up. (Teal'c SG-1) (For MinceR) [22:04] schestowitz how many hospitals are over capacity now? [22:04] schestowitz I reckon most [22:05] schestowitz so don't even break a leg or get the flu [22:05] schestowitz you don't have your back covered by medical professionals [22:05] DaemonFC[m] They say, the CDC even, that US hospitals are weeks from collapse. [22:05] DaemonFC[m] Meanwhile, malls open and Trump's "maximum pressure" to reopen schools. [22:05] schestowitz the gym opened here days ago [22:05] schestowitz it's so quiet it's scary [22:05] DaemonFC[m] He can still do an incredible amount of further damage in his 47 remaining days as mom and dad's president. [22:06] schestowitz a lot of the appliances weren't even turned on [22:06] schestowitz I had to ask staff 3 times before they found the right switches [22:06] schestowitz the gym wrote today to offer 12 days free for a friend [22:06] schestowitz they need new members [22:06] schestowitz 46 days IIRC [22:06] schestowitz not 47 [22:07] schestowitz oh, wait [22:07] schestowitz depends [22:07] schestowitz whose day is the 20th? [22:07] schestowitz half and half? [22:07] MinceR :> [22:07] schestowitz when you touch the bibbe babble? [22:07] MinceR >half and half [22:08] MinceR "Chicken isn't vegan?" [22:08] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: tell him their psychopath duterte agrees with uou [22:08] schestowitz all you have now is, [22:08] schestowitz wash hands, keep distance, wear mask [22:08] schestowitz no vaccine fantasies yet [22:13] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: the lack of people at the gym leads to neglect [22:13] schestowitz my friend yannis got electrocuted on Wednesday [22:13] schestowitz I heard the loud bang in the bathroom [22:13] schestowitz I told him it's probably the fuse blowing [22:13] schestowitz hair dryer [22:14] schestowitz he had to visit a physician at corona times [22:14] schestowitz had a massive purple mask on his stomach [22:14] schestowitz and that ALONE is why they FInaLLY changed that appliance [22:14] schestowitz after 3 months sitting there with "DO NOT USE" sign [22:14] schestowitz which he did not notice [22:14] schestowitz so it was a disaster waiting to happen [22:14] schestowitz health ans safety regulations flouted [22:15] schestowitz coz 'pandemic' [22:15] schestowitz he could have died if he held it hear his head [22:16] schestowitz That's the unspoken creepy side of it... lethal neglect [22:16] schestowitz I've told them for MONTHS to replace iot [22:16] schestowitz but they did nothing until risking a big lawsuit [22:17] schestowitz if you go to a shopping mall [22:17] schestowitz tell mandy structural decay can be a risk also [22:17] schestowitz it's just not a priority, loose maintenance [22:19] schestowitz planes are poorly maintained too [22:19] schestowitz quite a few crashes this year [22:19] schestowitz not all made the news [22:19] schestowitz planes not used for a long time being put in service [22:19] schestowitz with parts of them in unknown condition [22:19] schestowitz and "cooled down" [22:19] schestowitz yannis was stupid for picking up that appliance [22:20] schestowitz but still, it really ought NOT have been there in the first place; I kept warning them it was a disaster in the making [22:20] schestowitz but there's nobody to talk to, lack of coordination among what's left of the staff [22:20] schestowitz they don't even know which switches to turn on [22:22] smnthermes > [18:51:05] DaemonFC[m]: Aesthetic Animes can't be previewed. Do you want to join it?" Yes. "This room has been blocked from this homeserver due to abuse of the Code of Conduct.". [22:22] smnthermes Matrix blocked it? [22:23] DaemonFC[m] On January 20th at noon, Biden takes over and can immediately start signing hundreds of executive orders they already have printed up. [22:24] DaemonFC[m] smnthermes: Yes, that's the third Matrix dot org room that I've seen them block this month for "abusive conduct", and I haven't seen anyone explain any abusive conduct. [22:24] DaemonFC[m] But they let hardcore illegal pornography rooms stay running apparently. [22:24] schestowitz Code of Conduct is a toxic term now [22:24] schestowitz because it got associated with corporate interests [22:24] schestowitz rather than actual safety [22:24] schestowitz or actual objective merits [22:30] *fujisan has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [22:31] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I keep seeing the Microsoft media encouraging people to get around the stated terms of Microsoft's EULA. [22:32] schestowitz examples? [22:33] schestowitz Phoronix is doing Microsoft Vista 10 coverage now https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-5900X-Zen-3-Spectre-Windows [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Quick Look At The Spectre Mitigation State For AMD Zen 3 On Windows 10 - Phoronix [22:34] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-download-windows-10-for-free-now-that-windows-7-is-dead/ [22:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Windows 10 free download: How to get the upgrade now - CNET [22:34] schestowitz lol [22:34] schestowitz a.k.a. download.com [22:34] schestowitz 'freeware' [22:34] schestowitz that's cbs [22:34] schestowitz same as zdnet [22:34] schestowitz same company, same writers [22:35] schestowitz they're Microsoft PR front now [22:35] schestowitz 174,127 new cases and 2,036 new deaths in the United States [22:35] schestowitz trump had covid "for only 20 seconds" :-) [22:35] DaemonFC[m] https://www.zdnet.com/article/this-free-windows-10-upgrade-offer-still-works-heres-why-and-how-to-get-it/ [22:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This free Windows 10 upgrade offer still works. Here's why -- and how to get it | ZDNet [22:35] schestowitz Illinois 235 [22:36] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: Microsoft marketing disguised as news [22:36] DaemonFC[m] So Microsoft said the free update program ended and then quietly brought it back, because the alternative was lots of old unsupported systems being "pressed back into service" using a supported Linux distribution. [22:37] DaemonFC[m] Yet, Bott mentions that some systems hit a 'compatibility block' and recommends looking for BIOS updates. [22:37] DaemonFC[m] It's likely that Linux would just go ahead and install and work fine on those systems too. [22:38] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Fedora is considering dropping support for legacy BIOS entirely soon. [22:38] schestowitz Fedora is f'ed [22:38] DaemonFC[m] It seems that they're looking for a clean break so they can ditch GRUB 2 at some point and move to "systemd-boot". [22:38] schestowitz for many reasons [22:38] *amreo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:39] schestowitz an IBM 'Slurpee' for IBM POWER* meal [22:39] DaemonFC[m] The GPL in the boot path is being taken out and shot because it imposes some awkwardness with getting Microsoft to bless their "secure boot" implementation. [22:40] DaemonFC[m] They mention the "Boot Hole" bug causing Microsoft to eventually do a signature revocation that could stop Fedora systems that are using GRUB from booting completely at sometime soon, and they recommend if this happens, turn Secure Boot off and turn it on after Fedora "fixes it" later. [22:40] schestowitz AdBot called opponents of uefi 'secure boot' "fanatics" [22:41] schestowitz Microsoft AsBought [22:41] schestowitz *Microsoft AdBought [22:41] schestowitz zdnet totally quit pretending [22:41] schestowitz they're ads [22:41] schestowitz also for LF [22:41] schestowitz which I think pays for it [22:41] schestowitz LF pays many sites now [22:41] schestowitz for puff pieces/ads [22:41] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: It seems you can get end of life security patches for 3 years from Canonical for free on LTS versions, if you're a home user. [22:42] DaemonFC[m] So that basically means you can continue using it for 8 years without worrying too much that it will become so insecure that you're in danger just from using it as it is. [22:43] DaemonFC[m] They seem to be very quietly extending their support roadmap to more or less match RHEL. [22:50] schestowitz that would be oK [22:50] schestowitz but using their stuff seems like lock-in now with snaps and all [22:50] schestowitz and they're not Debian [22:50] schestowitz they're a for-profit company [22:50] schestowitz and too friendly towards proprietary and clown [22:50] MinceR (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/12/84a829d9c5654867.mp4 [22:56] schestowitz MinceR maaagic [22:56] schestowitz sleigh of hands [22:58] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19603839 [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Seems like number of US #covid19 cases will pass 15 million today, with about 13,000 dead so far this month (5 days). #trump lied, people died. ● Dec 05 [23:01] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [23:07] DaemonFC[m] I don't really care about the for profit part. [23:08] DaemonFC[m] As long as they don't get in my way. [23:08] schestowitz unless Microsoft buys it [23:08] schestowitz or something similar [23:08] schestowitz until then you don't care [23:08] schestowitz but things can happen that make you care [23:08] schestowitz e.g. if you put all your projects and code on VC-funded GitHub [23:08] schestowitz which loses money [23:09] schestowitz and looks for a way to turn that around [23:18] psydroid Windows is a collection of APIs disguised as an operating system [23:20] psydroid and the operating systems parts are far from the state of the art, so it would be better to run it in a VM and let a real operating system handle the hardware, if you need it at all [23:20] psydroid system* [23:22] schestowitz WIN stands for WIN is Nothing [23:22] schestowitz just some API [23:23] schestowitz the company is named after what bill gates thought while in he toiley [23:23] schestowitz *toilet [23:23] schestowitz while staring at his groin [23:26] oiaohm schestowitz: https://www.neystadt.org/john/humor/WinNT-Name.htm [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neystadt.org | The Origin of Windows NT Name [23:35] schestowitz does not matter, oiaohm [23:41] vZS1 I haven't kept up with this in a while but can't you just replace the UEFI chip? [23:41] vZS1 I've seen it being done before for BIOS [23:42] schestowitz I think Intel embeds it quite hard in boards [23:42] schestowitz they may no longer comes as disparate, discrete things with physical batteries and jumpers [23:42] vZS1 Ah [23:42] schestowitz and the batteries would be soldered in [23:43] schestowitz like in so-called 'phones' [23:43] schestowitz because only TERROR~1 would need privacy [23:43] vZS1 Well. Someone should make a list of all the offending boards [23:43] schestowitz and removing UEFI means "no security" [23:43] vZS1 So we know which to avoid [23:43] schestowitz like "wi-fi" without passwords is "DANGEROUS" [23:45] schestowitz https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/02/microsoft-apologises-productivity-score-critics-derided-workplace-surveillance [23:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Microsoft apologises for feature criticised as workplace surveillance | Technology | The Guardian [23:45] vZS1 This is a pretty high profile issue (UEFI keys) [23:45] vZS1 Where's the media coverage [23:45] schestowitz https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/03/technology/google-researcher-timnit-gebru.html [23:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Google Researcher Timnit Gebru Says She Was Fired For Paper on AI Bias - The New York Times [23:45] MinceR oh how blessed we are -- we got an apology from microshit [23:45] schestowitz vZS1: the what coverage? [23:45] MinceR we'd better treasure it because we aren't getting anything more [23:46] schestowitz billgates-funed 'gaurdian' [23:46] schestowitz grauniad [23:47] schestowitz vZS1: what's a media? [23:47] schestowitz usb? [23:47] schestowitz oh, I see... 'the media' [23:47] schestowitz this thing that wrote thousands of articles about trump maybe posting his password [23:47] schestowitz but never covers legit security issues [23:47] schestowitz just buy iphone [23:47] schestowitz "iphone is privacy" [23:47] schestowitz the ads say [23:48] schestowitz and tim crooks pinky-promises [23:49] schestowitz and somehow the FBI ALWAYS bypasses encryption on a dead terrorist's 'i' phone [23:49] schestowitz but just 'barely' [23:49] schestowitz so it's still secure, we promise!! [23:50] schestowitz it's very perfectly secure [23:50] schestowitz unless you are a terrorism [23:50] schestowitz then it's a little "less secure" [23:50] schestowitz just enough fro FBI [23:51] schestowitz the encryption algo detects if you commits an act of terror [23:51] schestowitz if not, it's fully functional [23:51] schestowitz otherwise, integrity erodes [23:51] schestowitz it's a very "Smart" slgo [23:51] schestowitz algo [23:51] schestowitz Quantum something clown [23:51] schestowitz too hard to explain [23:52] schestowitz ask quantum physicists [23:52] schestowitz something about "THe cybER" [23:53] schestowitz or the CIPHER [23:54] MinceR https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cyber [23:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: cyber [23:54] schestowitz Check out the ELLIPTIC CURVE on that thing! [23:54] schestowitz MinceR: now we have cyber monday [23:55] schestowitz a bezos shopping 'holy-day' [23:55] schestowitz pray for bezos, shop today, it's never too late [23:59] MinceR :>