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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 06 00:05 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well-hidden. | Jan 06 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Twitter is automatically suspending accounts that tweet an image consisting of a black background with the white text "No war on Iran" on it. | Jan 06 00:08 |
| MinceR | i never thought twitter would be so pro-war | Jan 06 00:09 |
| XRevan86 | Politics? In Twitter policy? It's just as likely as you'd think. | Jan 06 00:12 |
| psydroid | Twitter also suspended the account of the Syrian president | Jan 06 00:12 |
| psydroid | all these centralised social networks are toxic as hell | Jan 06 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is apparently outraged that the "sovereign Iraq" that Bush created has voted to remove us after he launched an attack in their "sovereign country" without even notifying them. | Jan 06 00:21 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 06 00:21 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Don't they know that this is the US they're talking about? | Jan 06 00:22 |
| XRevan86 | The most unfreedom-like %) | Jan 06 00:22 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/646277.jpg | Jan 06 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | âWe remain resolute as partners of the government of Iraq and the Iraqi people that have welcomed us into their country to help defeat ISIS,â the statement said. | Jan 06 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, blowing your soldiers up with IEDs and suicide vests is very welcoming. | Jan 06 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, I haven't seen the welcome wagon rolled out like these since Thanksgiving at my sister-in-law's house. | Jan 06 00:32 |
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| danielp3344 | Could I get someone to join an irc channel and fight off the microsoft openwashers who are invading? | Jan 06 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh sure. | Jan 06 00:40 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: one sec | Jan 06 00:41 |
| danielp3344 | #zrythm | Jan 06 00:41 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: or #zrythmdaw:matrix.org | Jan 06 00:42 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://probablydance.com/2019/12/30/measuring-mutexes-spinlocks-and-how-bad-the-linux-scheduler-really-is/ | Jan 06 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-probablydance.com | Measuring Mutexes, Spinlocks and how Bad the Linux Scheduler Really is | Probably Dance | Jan 06 01:18 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you go read up on the steps necessary to “tune” a Window system for use as a digital audio workstation platform, you’ll find all the same stuff. macOS s better in this regard but almost entirely because apples fully controls the hardware (and they’ve been getting worse at this in recent years too – some recent versions couldn’t play audio without stuttering unless manually reconfigured) | Jan 06 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Errr, forgot to use quotes. | Jan 06 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, it's pretty bad if you can't even play audio without stuttering. | Jan 06 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Regarding Firefox's audio code looking bad..... | Jan 06 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bad, how exactly? | Jan 06 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And how does it compare with Chrome? I've heard a lot about how parts of Firefox's code looks bad, but I've actually had disasters trying to use Chromium browsers. | Jan 06 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | Re: 2018 donation | Jan 06 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > I am told the large 2018 donation and the same people "advising" RMS are connected. Notable since I'm not sure the advice is good advice (neither is the advice GNOME is getting on defending patents, so there's a precedent.) | Jan 06 01:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 06 01:44 |
| schestowitz | > I am also told RMS is now aware of this possibility of bad advice. I wanted to be sure you were aware of these things as well. | Jan 06 01:44 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/646065.jpg | Jan 06 01:47 |
| psydroid | I still have to read that article but just from skimming it looks like a proper quantitative test, which should be helping more than "Linux sucks for audio" or "Linux has latency issues" without properly explaining how this affects you as a musician or producer | Jan 06 01:54 |
| rianne__ | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-50986683 - Hope people think of this when they are having a meal. | Jan 06 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Confessions of a slaughterhouse worker - BBC News | Jan 06 01:55 | |
| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/dxkod2b6vv841.jpg | Jan 06 02:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Contempt of court is a funny notion. | Jan 06 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course I have contempt for that court, and their contemptible rulings, and the contemptible police officers, and ny contemptible ex. | Jan 06 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And I hope they die in a fire. | Jan 06 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I'm not going to do anything. Looks like my ex is in deep shit financially anyway. | Jan 06 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car payment hasn't hit yet so I think he's in trouble. Also, he hasn't paid his speeding ticket or the court costs | Jan 06 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.statesman.com/news/20191209/taco-bell-worker-swung-machete-at-drive-through-customer-austin-police-say | Jan 06 03:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Taco Bell worker swung machete at drive-through customer, Austin police say - News - Austin American-Statesman - Austin, TX | Jan 06 03:09 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Won't you join us for dinner at.....Taco Bell? | Jan 06 03:09 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 06 03:14 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: any eta? | Jan 06 06:18 |
| kaniini | soon(tm). I have transferred pleroma.site operation to somebody in EU for various reasons, so we are working to get it back up and running on the new infrastructure | Jan 06 06:21 |
| schestowitz | excellent, thanks for the update | Jan 06 06:32 |
| schestowitz | quote: | Jan 06 06:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 06 06:51 |
| schestowitz | Daniel Stenberg wrote about how cURL received 10k from indeed recently. In his post | Jan 06 06:51 |
| schestowitz | https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/01/03/curl-receives-10k-usd-donation/ | Jan 06 06:51 |
| schestowitz | he wrote: | Jan 06 06:51 |
| schestowitz | "(*) = curl has previously applied for membership in both Software Freedom Conservancy and Linux Foundation as they seemed like suitable stewards, but the first couldn’t accept us due to work load and the latter didn’t even bother to respond. It’s not a big bother, just reality." | Jan 06 06:51 |
| schestowitz | The reality I faced was that while I have worked with both Karen and Bradley in the past, the SFC really has no teeth, and since Nicholson works there I doubted my application for respin would even be considered! Of course, I could apply and see, as that could be interesting, but mostly a waste of my time because they don't even have any more teeth than I do. | Jan 06 06:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 06 06:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-curl receives 10K USD donation | daniel.haxx.se | Jan 06 06:51 | |
| schestowitz | curl 10k and SFC/LF | Jan 06 06:53 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: whois records say | Jan 06 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Name Server: NS0.RANDOM.SH | Jan 06 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Name Server: NS1.ALEATOIRE.NET | Jan 06 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Name Server: NS2.GOULAG.ORG | Jan 06 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Name Server: NS3.FSCK.XYZ | Jan 06 08:42 |
| schestowitz | the third and fourth are ... well .... | Jan 06 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Updated Date: 2020-01-05T21:06:33.0Z | Jan 06 08:44 |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Jan 06 09:49 |
| schestowitz | #LinuxFoundation Failing to Support Big and Important Free Software Projects Which Seek Assistance http://techrights.org/2020/01/06/curl-and-the-linux-foundation/ #curl #freesw #openwashing #zemlinPAC | Jan 06 09:49 |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Jan 06 09:49 |
| schestowitz | #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132527 | Jan 06 09:49 |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Jan 06 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Linux 5.5-rc5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132526 | Jan 06 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Failing to Support Big and Important Free Software Projects Which Seek Assistance | Techrights | Jan 06 09:50 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Jan 06 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jan 06 09:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.5-rc5 | Tux Machines | Jan 06 09:50 | |
| schestowitz | Review: Android-x86 9.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132525 | Jan 06 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: Android-x86 9.0 | Tux Machines | Jan 06 09:50 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Jan 06 09:50 |
| schestowitz | Embrace, Embrace, and Run Over http://techrights.org/2020/01/05/running-over-gnu-linux/ | Jan 06 09:50 |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Jan 06 09:50 |
| schestowitz | Windows User Retention Policy http://techrights.org/2020/01/05/gnu-linux-not-allowed/ | Jan 06 09:50 |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Jan 06 09:50 |
| schestowitz | AMD Ryzen 5 1600 AF CPU Review & Benchmarks: Best CPU Under $100 in 2020 | Jan 06 09:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132524 | Jan 06 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Embrace, Embrace, and Run Over | Techrights | Jan 06 09:50 | |
| schestowitz | pasting here while pleroma.site still in transition | Jan 06 09:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Windows User Retention Policy | Techrights | Jan 06 09:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Ryzen 5 1600 AF CPU Review & Benchmarks: Best CPU Under $100 in 2020 | Tux Machines | Jan 06 09:50 | |
| schestowitz | $ cat ./tux.sh | Jan 06 09:50 |
| schestowitz | rsstail -u https://joindiaspora.com/public/linux.atom -d -1 | grep -v 'Title:' | html2text -width 1000 | sed 's/'Description:'/➬/' | Jan 06 09:50 |
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| ---jdjdhdbsx is now known as Roygym | Jan 06 12:23 | |
| Roygym | Molly de BlancPatrick MassonElana HashmanHong Phuc DangChris Lamb | Jan 06 12:25 |
| Roygym | https://opensource.org/minutes20190614 | Jan 06 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.org | June 14, 2019 Minutes | Open Source Initiative | Jan 06 12:25 | |
| Roygym | A couple at the time | Jan 06 12:25 |
| Roygym | Directors were asked to declare any actual or potential conflict of interest material to items on the meeting agenda (italicised below). None were declared. | Jan 06 12:26 |
| Roygym | Not even a relationship | Jan 06 12:26 |
| Roygym | "Molly reported that a meeting was held which discussed gaps in good HR practice and shape of a future staffing strategy. No minutes were provided" | Jan 06 12:27 |
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| Roygym | "Expanding the OSI membership, including new individual/affiliate members and increased representation outside Europe and the US" | Jan 06 12:28 |
| Roygym | Sound bites: | Jan 06 12:29 |
| Roygym | "Elana led a discussion on the clarity of messaging for individual members and affiliates, concluding that OSI needs a "soundbyte" to communicate the board's mission for the OSI to the membership in a brief and clear way.The phrase emerging from the discussion was “OSI will promote and represent the open source community, protecting the meaning | Jan 06 12:29 |
| Roygym | of the term and development model through community and standards work.”" | Jan 06 12:29 |
| XRevan86 | I take it they've decided on кал | Jan 06 12:29 |
| Roygym | Huh? | Jan 06 12:30 |
| XRevan86 | CAL | Jan 06 12:30 |
| Roygym | Is that a sound? | Jan 06 12:30 |
| Roygym | Ah | Jan 06 12:30 |
| Roygym | Cal | Jan 06 12:30 |
| Roygym | "Conferences in 2019 Annual planning: OSCON, DebConf (?), Linux Foundation Open Source Events (??), All Things Open (??, Pam lives close to the venue, can staff the booth for some time, Christine/Molly will be there) " | Jan 06 12:30 |
| Roygym | They left out the microsoft one | Jan 06 12:30 |
| Roygym | Not good | Jan 06 12:30 |
| Roygym | Universal Acceptance Steering Group (UASG) - Apple, Google, ICANN and Microsoft | Jan 06 12:31 |
| Roygym | Some FOSS champions right there!! | Jan 06 12:31 |
| Roygym | This is last year | Jan 06 12:32 |
| Roygym | I do some forensics here while cycling | Jan 06 12:32 |
| Roygym | They seems to be very close to tech giants | Jan 06 12:32 |
| Roygym | It is hard to find photos | Jan 06 12:33 |
| Roygym | Unless passed privately | Jan 06 12:33 |
| Roygym | Chris hallmleft them | Jan 06 12:33 |
| Roygym | Chris hall | Jan 06 12:33 |
| Roygym | Christine of fossforce | Jan 06 12:33 |
| Roygym | But the resasons are not related | Jan 06 12:33 |
| Roygym | She told me privately | Jan 06 12:34 |
| Roygym | Task: | Jan 06 12:34 |
| Roygym | See if we can find more photos from their msft meet | Jan 06 12:34 |
| Roygym | It was in San Francisco | Jan 06 12:34 |
| Roygym | Mac asay promotes this while on the board https://www.osnews.com/story/18779/osi-approves-microsoft-license-submissions/ | Jan 06 12:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OSI Approves Microsoft License Submissions – OSnews | Jan 06 12:36 | |
| Roygym | A decade later they bag money | Jan 06 12:36 |
| Roygym | https://meshedinsights.com/tag/osi/ | Jan 06 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meshedinsights.com | OSI | Meshed Insights Ltd | Jan 06 12:38 | |
| Roygym | Omissions here | Jan 06 12:38 |
| Roygym | https://wiki.opensource.org/bin/Main/OSI+Board+of+Directors/Board+Member+Elections/Phipps2017 | Jan 06 12:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.opensource.org | Simon Phipps (Candidate Statement) (Main.OSI Board of Directors.Board Member Elections.Phipps2017) - XWiki | Jan 06 12:39 | |
| Roygym | "Simon seems to join a lot of boards, although not that many at the same time." | Jan 06 12:39 |
| Roygym | "Simon Phipps, 2017.02.20 at 16:11:53 PSTThanks - I do indeed try to always donate a portion of my time to charities as long as I'm able to make a positive contribution. Given my career background, this means I'm often able to apply my experience in dealing with corporations, which means Board roles. I try not to belong to too many at once (some | Jan 06 12:40 |
| Roygym | people collect them like t-shirts) as that can significantly limit constructive contribution and I don't want to just be a seat-filler! " | Jan 06 12:40 |
| Roygym | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwijtKGXcAAmvz_.jpg | Jan 06 12:42 |
| Roygym | GPL foes | Jan 06 12:42 |
| Roygym | Google and msft | Jan 06 12:42 |
| Roygym | Hong phuc from OSI board - treasurer iirc - let them worm into fossasia also https://blog.fossasia.org/author/hong-phuc/ | Jan 06 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hong Phuc | blog.fossasia.org | Jan 06 12:47 | |
| Roygym | Seed Microsoft photos | Jan 06 12:47 |
| Roygym | See i mean | Jan 06 12:47 |
| Roygym | Maybe not msft sg | Jan 06 12:47 |
| Roygym | Maybe somewhere else in asia | Jan 06 12:48 |
| Roygym | Phipps can be overpowered by them | Jan 06 12:48 |
| Roygym | Phuc and Phipps are usually OK | Jan 06 12:48 |
| Roygym | I am not sure about some of the others | Jan 06 12:48 |
| Roygym | Gafam.. Stay classy https://i0.wp.com/blog.fossasia.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/kaz-sato.jpg?w=2400&ssl=1 not so Foss asia | Jan 06 12:49 |
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| Roygym | Ha, autodesk photo ops | Jan 06 12:51 |
| Roygym | How very Foss | Jan 06 12:51 |
| Roygym | Microsoft workshop | Jan 06 12:51 |
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| Roygym | Gtg bbl | Jan 06 12:52 |
| Roygym | https://pleroma.site | Jan 06 12:52 |
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| Roygym | pleroma.siteDatabase migration still in progress, see you soon...this may take a while; DB is huge! | Jan 06 12:53 |
| Roygym | Cheers for the update kaniini | Jan 06 12:53 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/GMjPu9n.jpg | Jan 06 15:10 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/12/c74b27c86abf0bee.jpg | Jan 06 15:17 |
| scientes | ooo, I made the mistake of trying to shake the hand of a married georgian woman | Jan 06 15:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 06 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Why is that bad? | Jan 06 15:28 |
| scientes | damn, their wiskey is really strong | Jan 06 15:28 |
| scientes | XRevan86, i ended up shaking her wrist | Jan 06 15:29 |
| scientes | cause i wasn't really thinking at the time | Jan 06 15:29 |
| scientes | and this was before the alcohol :) | Jan 06 15:29 |
| scientes | its really annoying to me that the georgian learning resources are so poor | Jan 06 15:30 |
| scientes | cause i don't understand _anything_ | Jan 06 15:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Anyway, in Russia women don't really shake hands. I don't know why that's not customary, and I do occasionally shake, which is my mentality kicking in, but that usually only causes an awkward smile %). | Jan 06 15:32 |
| scientes | well yeah, my best hand shaking lesson was in my 9th grade biology class | Jan 06 15:32 |
| scientes | on the first day, she had us learn how to shake hands | Jan 06 15:33 |
| scientes | cause she wasn't always a teacher, she worked in hospitals before | Jan 06 15:33 |
| XRevan86 | So if Georgia is also like that, then that would explain your trouble shaking a woman's hand there. | Jan 06 15:33 |
| scientes | and she was a great teacher because she had work experience | Jan 06 15:33 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes it is | Jan 06 15:33 |
| scientes | she also has a teenage son | Jan 06 15:34 |
| scientes | I went to a Georgian funeral and I really appreciated it | Jan 06 15:34 |
| scientes | for how straight-forward it was | Jan 06 15:34 |
| scientes | the women were all sitting next to the body inside | Jan 06 15:35 |
| scientes | and outside you could shake hands with all the men | Jan 06 15:35 |
| scientes | and before entering you could leave flowers | Jan 06 15:35 |
| scientes | there was also a mouring for a dead woman in the flat accross from mine when i moved in | Jan 06 15:35 |
| scientes | although they transported the body out a few days ago | Jan 06 15:35 |
| scientes | carried by men | Jan 06 15:35 |
| scientes | I just liked that it was all about saying goodbyes, and had no pretension | Jan 06 15:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Now I wonder how funerals go in the US. | Jan 06 15:36 |
| scientes | XRevan86, all about money like everything else | Jan 06 15:36 |
| MinceR | "Shake hand, Kiss baby, Shake hand, kiss baby, Shake hand, Kiss hand, Shake baby, Shake baby, Kiss hand, Shake baby, Shake baby, kiss hand." | Jan 06 15:36 |
| danielp3344 | XRevan86: you can skip most of them | Jan 06 15:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Oh, wait, I saw that on TV – a priest tells everyone what a chap the dead person was | Jan 06 15:36 |
| danielp3344 | XRevan86: after everyone sits around for a few hours | Jan 06 15:37 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I read about this war in Japan over trying to make funerals cheaper | Jan 06 15:37 |
| scientes | its because death is a business | Jan 06 15:37 |
| scientes | and you are not even allowed to bury the dead in the backyard | Jan 06 15:37 |
| scientes | you have to pay to die | Jan 06 15:38 |
| danielp3344 | seems unenforceable | Jan 06 15:38 |
| danielp3344 | I mean, who do you fine :P | Jan 06 15:38 |
| MinceR | the surviving relatives | Jan 06 15:38 |
| danielp3344 | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jan 06 15:38 |
| MinceR | favorite hostage of the state :> | Jan 06 15:38 |
| scientes | MinceR, pretty much | Jan 06 15:38 |
| scientes | this isn't funny to those making a living off of it | Jan 06 15:39 |
| danielp3344 | :< | Jan 06 15:39 |
| scientes | or rather, drinking martinis off of it | Jan 06 15:39 |
| MinceR | i suspect that in a few decades it won't be funny to anyone | Jan 06 15:39 |
| scientes | indeed | Jan 06 15:40 |
| XRevan86 | Hm, what if there aren't any? | Jan 06 15:40 |
| scientes | XRevan86, then they just throw you in a pit | Jan 06 15:40 |
| MinceR | maybe that's when you beat the state | Jan 06 15:40 |
| danielp3344 | scientes: that sounds prefferable to current options? | Jan 06 15:40 |
| danielp3344 | If I die I could care less :P | Jan 06 15:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, that seems cheap | Jan 06 15:40 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll find someone to punish but you won't care | Jan 06 15:40 |
| danielp3344 | not sure if that's an insult lol | Jan 06 15:41 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but seriously they do try to find someone to charge | Jan 06 15:41 |
| scientes | so usually people just don't claim the body | Jan 06 15:41 |
| scientes | so that the state has to pay | Jan 06 15:41 |
| scientes | because you actually have to pay the hospital to get the dead body | Jan 06 15:42 |
| scientes | it is _REALLY_ sad | Jan 06 15:42 |
| scientes | and you also have to get them to sign over their assets before they die | Jan 06 15:43 |
| scientes | so it doesn't get taken from the inheritance | Jan 06 15:44 |
| scientes | also inheritance is a scam | Jan 06 15:44 |
| scientes | where the state takes as much as they can | Jan 06 15:44 |
| scientes | that's why you also sign over everything when its known they will die soon | Jan 06 15:44 |
| scientes | AFAIK even a will doesn't really help you here | Jan 06 15:46 |
| scientes | you have to sign over everything BEFORE they die | Jan 06 15:46 |
| scientes | to keep the dirty lawyer hands off it | Jan 06 15:46 |
| scientes | basically the government in the US is composed of theives, and you have to avoid them as much as possible | Jan 06 15:48 |
| danielp3344 | ^ lol | Jan 06 15:49 |
| scientes | danielp3344, basically every sector is like that | Jan 06 15:50 |
| scientes | health care is famous for it | Jan 06 15:50 |
| scientes | it is also illegal to do basic things like grow sugar cane in your front lawn | Jan 06 15:52 |
| *danielp3344 quickly cuts down his sugar cane | Jan 06 15:53 | |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Because lawn aesthetic is regulated? | Jan 06 15:55 |
| *danielp3344 is lucky enough to live on ~20 acres | Jan 06 15:56 | |
| XRevan86 | * ~8 hectares | Jan 06 15:56 |
| danielp3344 | XRevan86: not abd | Jan 06 15:57 |
| danielp3344 | bad* | Jan 06 15:57 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> scientes: Because lawn aesthetic is regulated? | Jan 06 15:57 |
| scientes | yes it is | Jan 06 15:57 |
| XRevan86 | danielp3344: The conversion? | Jan 06 15:57 |
| scientes | https://www.cityofmadison.com/dpced/bi/tall-grass-weeds/94/ | Jan 06 15:57 |
| danielp3344 | XRevan86: wait what? | Jan 06 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cityofmadison.com | Tall Grass & Weeds - Building Inspection & Code Enforcement - DPCED - City of Madison, Wisconsin | Jan 06 15:58 | |
| danielp3344 | shouldn't 8 hectares be like 2.5 acres? | Jan 06 15:58 |
| scientes | danielp3344, other direction | Jan 06 15:58 |
| danielp3344 | hmmm | Jan 06 15:58 |
| danielp3344 | you are correct | Jan 06 15:58 |
| danielp3344 | my bad | Jan 06 15:58 |
| scientes | merry christmas everyone | Jan 06 16:07 |
| danielp3344 | scientes: day late :P | Jan 06 16:08 |
| scientes | danielp3344, early | Jan 06 16:08 |
| scientes | uhhh the news is all that dumb thing over the iranian | Jan 06 16:10 |
| scientes | which was just a diversion tactic | Jan 06 16:10 |
| scientes | from the more serious news of the US demise | Jan 06 16:10 |
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| *XRevan86 is freaked out by that it's an assassination. | Jan 06 16:17 | |
| XRevan86 | Great warfare there. | Jan 06 16:17 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the us has been assinating people that didn't even see it coming (literally) with drone for a LONG time | Jan 06 16:19 |
| scientes | including the US citizen Anwar Alwaiki | Jan 06 16:19 |
| scientes | who wrote Inspire! | Jan 06 16:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yea, fair… | Jan 06 16:19 |
| XRevan86 | The Iraq's reaction is completely unsurprising | Jan 06 16:19 |
| XRevan86 | they let somebody in, and then that person died on their soil | Jan 06 16:20 |
| psydroid | scientes, someone in a group on Matrix linked this through reddit, one of the comments there was most enlightening | Jan 06 16:20 |
| psydroid | https://www.disclose.tv/red-flag-of-doom-unfurled-over-mosque-in-iran-for-the-first-time-in-history-386502 | Jan 06 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Flag Of Doom Unfurled Over Mosque In Iran For The First Time In History | Disclose.tv | Jan 06 16:21 | |
| *psydroid sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EwBIyzYhfAFveJAhKPVXjLCG > | Jan 06 16:21 | |
| scientes | Anwar al-Awlaki | Jan 06 16:21 |
| scientes | psydroid, except there is no point is declaring war on a dead empire | Jan 06 16:22 |
| scientes | that is why it is a distraction technique | Jan 06 16:22 |
| psydroid | indeed | Jan 06 16:22 |
| scientes | I was in Bolivia before the coup | Jan 06 16:26 |
| scientes | there was hope | Jan 06 16:26 |
| scientes | the US did that coup to signal to the foolish elites that the empire is stile alive | Jan 06 16:27 |
| scientes | and in doing so destroyed much hope and oportunity | Jan 06 16:27 |
| psydroid | I don't understand how the leaders of one country can be so megalomaniac that the entire world needs to suffer to satisfy its hunger for power and wealth | Jan 06 16:29 |
| scientes | psydroid, the US already turned inwards | Jan 06 16:30 |
| scientes | with two warring political camps fighting over things that already dont exist | Jan 06 16:30 |
| scientes | "With regard to politics, the US has already stopped functioning. The ruling elite has split up into two warring camps which are now treating each other with the same viciousness, malice and disdain they have previously reserved for foreigners. This development is inevitable: faced with their own full-spectrum failure, the elites have been forced to search for a scapegoat—anybody but their own beloved selves—and have found… each o | Jan 06 16:31 |
| scientes | ther, of course!" | Jan 06 16:31 |
| scientes | well said | Jan 06 16:31 |
| scientes | " | Jan 06 16:34 |
| scientes | Although collapse in the US is yet to run its course, I feel that it is already time to give the United States of America a more appropriate name. After all, it is not the only united states on the American continent: there is also Estados Unidos Mexicanos. This shameful, self-important name-squatting has to come to an end at some point. I therefore propose renaming the USA—perhaps not immediately, but perhaps in a decade, maybe two. As it | Jan 06 16:34 |
| scientes | s new name I would like to suggest something like the Republic of Deteriorado, Degenerado or Disintegrado. Its national language is likely to become Spanglish. Its national bird already seems to be the extended middle finger. As for its flag, here we can simply observe which flag is considered sufficiently sacred and inviolable to result in jail time for anyone who dares to burn it in public. And it turns out to be the LGBTQ rainbow flag. " | Jan 06 16:34 |
| scientes | hahahahahahaha | Jan 06 16:34 |
| MinceR | 06 164835 < scientes> basically the government in the US is composed of theives, and you have to avoid them as much as possible | Jan 06 16:43 |
| MinceR | all governments are composed of robbers | Jan 06 16:43 |
| scientes | yeah, but some steal for foreigners | Jan 06 16:43 |
| scientes | *from | Jan 06 16:44 |
| MinceR | also, a US Army manual defines terrorism as "the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious, or ideological in nature. This is done through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear." | Jan 06 16:44 |
| MinceR | which means that all states are terrorist organizations | Jan 06 16:44 |
| scientes | MinceR, also Jesus was crucified next to two terorrists | Jan 06 16:44 |
| scientes | they translate it to "thieves" because they are cowards | Jan 06 16:44 |
| MinceR | depends on whom you ask | Jan 06 16:44 |
| MinceR | afaik that "Jesus" never even existed | Jan 06 16:45 |
| scientes | a correct translation is "bandit" or more controversially "terrorist" | Jan 06 16:45 |
| scientes | MinceR, AFAIK you don't exist | Jan 06 16:45 |
| MinceR | no u | Jan 06 16:46 |
| XRevan86 | This got existential quickly. | Jan 06 16:46 |
| XRevan86 | https://existentialcomics.com/comic/323 an Existential Comic, just in time | Jan 06 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | Plato Produces a Play - Existential Comics | Jan 06 16:47 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 06 16:47 |
| scientes | XRevan86, nice, I was actually thinking of ordering Euclid's Elements earlier today | Jan 06 16:50 |
| scientes | after I do some paid work | Jan 06 16:50 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19082031 | Jan 06 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 06 16:51 | |
| XRevan86 | https://dm.reddit.com/r/CasualUK/comments/crjihz it was extremely easy to find | Jan 06 16:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dm.reddit.com | French is such a beautiful language : CasualUK | Jan 06 16:52 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, literally lol | Jan 06 17:00 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1908204 | Jan 06 17:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 06 17:01 | |
| scientes | > The wife saw this and said "they are pretending they don't have a word in French for that" | Jan 06 17:02 |
| scientes | > | Jan 06 17:02 |
| scientes | Edit: Wife consulted a French friend. Friend says 'a la grec' (in the Greek style), which in her opinion is just more pretending they don't have a word. | Jan 06 17:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 06 17:02 |
| MinceR | dans le cul | Jan 06 17:03 |
| scientes | still a silly joke | Jan 06 17:04 |
| XRevan86 | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Коттеджинг a loan from English | Jan 06 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ru.wikipedia.org | Коттеджинг — Википедия | Jan 06 17:05 | |
| *XRevan86 checks other languages | Jan 06 17:05 | |
| XRevan86 | German: Klappe | Jan 06 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | Dutch: Homo-ontmoetingsplaats | Jan 06 17:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 06 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | That's… verbose | Jan 06 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | No article linked in Hellenica | Jan 06 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | "a la grec", yet no Wikipedia article | Jan 06 17:07 |
| psydroid | lol | Jan 06 17:18 |
| MinceR | (audio:none?) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/12/91e2c3b58472c6d6.mp4 | Jan 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | nice | Jan 06 17:45 |
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| scientes | only english https://www.opensubtitles.org/en/search/sublanguageid-eng/idmovie-24521 | Jan 06 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opensubtitles.org | Northanger Abbey subtitles English | 9 subtitles | Jan 06 17:45 | |
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| scientes | oh nvm | Jan 06 17:46 |
| scientes | I'm pretty sure that all WhatsApp messages are stored by the NSA | Jan 06 17:48 |
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| scientes | despite the pretense of end-to-end encryption | Jan 06 17:49 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19081950 | Jan 06 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 06 18:02 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What happened here? | Jan 06 18:03 |
| MinceR | lava | Jan 06 18:18 |
| scientes | MinceR, that is really cool lava | Jan 06 18:21 |
| scientes | in that it doesn't melt the iron | Jan 06 18:21 |
| MinceR | it probably had time to cool down :> | Jan 06 18:21 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ilxsu-JlY | Jan 06 18:25 |
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| XRevan86 | http://poorlydrawnlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/just-ask.png too real | Jan 06 18:41 |
| scientes | XRevan86, what is the context? | Jan 06 18:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No context. | Jan 06 18:41 |
| danielp3344 | any context :P | Jan 06 18:41 |
| scientes | as they say, easier to ask for forgiveness than permission :) | Jan 06 18:42 |
| danielp3344 | so either ^* or .* if I have my regex right :P | Jan 06 18:42 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19081924 | Jan 06 18:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 06 18:42 | |
| danielp3344 | wut | Jan 06 18:42 |
| danielp3344 | did they fail stat? | Jan 06 18:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In Russia they say "initiative is punishable" | Jan 06 18:43 |
| danielp3344 | lol | Jan 06 18:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Mixed messages. | Jan 06 18:43 |
| scientes | XRevan86, what does that mean? Fear us, always fear us, fear us always? | Jan 06 18:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It means that if one is going to show initiative, one should be ready to face the consequences. | Jan 06 18:44 |
| scientes | whatever that means..... | Jan 06 18:45 |
| scientes | in the US it is said that ignorance of the law is no excuse | Jan 06 18:45 |
| scientes | and yet *everyone* is ignorant of the law, including the lawyers | Jan 06 18:45 |
| scientes | cause the law is a giant steaming pile of shit | Jan 06 18:45 |
| scientes | so basically same thing | Jan 06 18:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It means doing something on one's own accord. | Jan 06 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | to stick out of the group, etc. | Jan 06 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's not law, it's just common wisdom, semi-ironic. | Jan 06 18:49 |
| scientes | well groupthink doesn't work the same in the US so it is different | Jan 06 18:50 |
| XRevan86 | Teachers in school will always tell that self-expression is the way, to be noticed and rewarded. | Jan 06 18:50 |
| XRevan86 | In practice the "rewarded" part doesn't always work out. | Jan 06 18:50 |
| scientes | "do as I say, not as I do" | Jan 06 18:50 |
| scientes | yeah, I experienced that in my grad school scholarship application | Jan 06 18:50 |
| scientes | my cover letter got 0/10 because I just said exactly what I was going to do | Jan 06 18:50 |
| XRevan86 | hence инициатива наказуема | Jan 06 18:50 |
| scientes | with no brownnosing | Jan 06 18:50 |
| scientes | they expected brownnosing | Jan 06 18:51 |
| scientes | and punished me that I didn't do it | Jan 06 18:51 |
| scientes | toadying | Jan 06 18:51 |
| scientes | also because the reviewers are probably not competent in the subject matter | Jan 06 18:51 |
| scientes | Neitzche said that morality is the heard instinct of the masses | Jan 06 18:53 |
| scientes | he was a friggen genius | Jan 06 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | * herd | Jan 06 18:53 |
| scientes | yes, herd | Jan 06 18:53 |
| scientes | fucking English | Jan 06 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | It kind of is. What's the point? | Jan 06 18:54 |
| XRevan86 | A bug or a feature? :) | Jan 06 18:54 |
| scientes | well, from my perspective education is the same in Russia as the U.S.: equally worthless | Jan 06 18:55 |
| scientes | I asked to be prooved otherwise, and I didn't get it | Jan 06 18:55 |
| scientes | getting a definitive 0 score, because I refused to play the toadying game | Jan 06 18:55 |
| scientes | but actually did something more valuable: showed that I have direction | Jan 06 18:56 |
| scientes | maybe they don't like that | Jan 06 18:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Don't know about the US, but at least IT education in Russia is a joke. | Jan 06 18:56 |
| scientes | well I am talking about top level | Jan 06 18:56 |
| scientes | yeah at the low levels it is a joke in the U.S. too | Jan 06 18:56 |
| XRevan86 | magistrate? | Jan 06 18:56 |
| scientes | graduate school scholarship | Jan 06 18:56 |
| scientes | anyways, I didn't get it | Jan 06 18:57 |
| scientes | I wrote a letter saying I was going to study seL4 | Jan 06 18:57 |
| scientes | which is hot shit | Jan 06 18:57 |
| scientes | and I even said it has wide-ranging military applications | Jan 06 18:57 |
| scientes | (which it does) | Jan 06 18:57 |
| scientes | among a few other applications I am passionate about | Jan 06 18:58 |
| scientes | and even showed that I was serious about persuing these applications | Jan 06 18:58 |
| scientes | but it is too much nepotism | Jan 06 18:58 |
| scientes | so they don't want me (and I don't want them) | Jan 06 18:58 |
| scientes | I have played that game before, and as I said earlier in this channel, sucking dicks only gets you surrounded by other dick-suckers | Jan 06 18:59 |
| scientes | something Machevelli knew well | Jan 06 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Makes sense to me. | Jan 06 19:00 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: can you imagine any institution that doesn't have this problem? | Jan 06 19:09 |
| Hail_Spacecake | any institution that has an admissions model involving lots of people applying to it, and the administrators having to make judgement calls about poeple they don't know personally based on applications? | Jan 06 19:10 |
| Hail_Spacecake | MinceR: states are a monopoly on legitimate violence in a region | Jan 06 19:12 |
| Hail_Spacecake | so the idea that a state can do things that would be terrorism if anyone else did them is alrady baked into the definition | Jan 06 19:12 |
| MinceR | it isn't legitimate | Jan 06 19:13 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, no, but the point is that the tables have turned | Jan 06 19:13 |
| scientes | with the internet the institutions have to compete against the internet | Jan 06 19:13 |
| scientes | and for the most part they are ignoring that | Jan 06 19:13 |
| scientes | in the 90s MIT saw it and create MIT OCW | Jan 06 19:13 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: sure, and I think the internet has been good for actually promulgating useful knowledge, and bad for prestige higher educational institutions | Jan 06 19:14 |
| Hail_Spacecake | on average anyway | Jan 06 19:14 |
| scientes | with which I did a great biology course, and Walter Lewin's physics courses are excellent | Jan 06 19:14 |
| Hail_Spacecake | on the other hand, prestige higher educational institutions still perform valuable functions: | Jan 06 19:14 |
| Hail_Spacecake | - giving certifiably smart and conscientious people time and money to work on hard problems | Jan 06 19:15 |
| Hail_Spacecake | - providing a space for smart people to socially encoutnter each other | Jan 06 19:16 |
| Hail_Spacecake | and these things are important and aren't replaced by the internet; although of course a given institution can do this well or poorly | Jan 06 19:16 |
| scientes | <Hail_Spacecake> - giving certifiably smart and conscientious people time and money to work on hard problems | Jan 06 19:17 |
| scientes | <Hail_Spacecake> - providing a space for smart people to socially encoutnter each other | Jan 06 19:17 |
| scientes | well this is exactly what I was asking for | Jan 06 19:17 |
| scientes | and put in my application | Jan 06 19:17 |
| scientes | and I still got a 0/10 | Jan 06 19:17 |
| scientes | because i didn't suck dick | Jan 06 19:17 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: right, "certifiably" | Jan 06 19:18 |
| Hail_Spacecake | you can have corruption in the certification process | Jan 06 19:18 |
| Hail_Spacecake | on the other hand, if you didn't have a certification process at all, people would try to use university resources without contributing | Jan 06 19:19 |
| scientes | I don't give a rats ass about certification | Jan 06 19:19 |
| scientes | I have proof that I was real | Jan 06 19:19 |
| scientes | and was doing real research in the field | Jan 06 19:19 |
| scientes | which to me should have been sufficient | Jan 06 19:19 |
| Hail_Spacecake | and then it's reasonable for people to ask, are you actually as smart as you say and just unfairly maligned by the system? or were you just not good enough and rationalizing? | Jan 06 19:19 |
| Hail_Spacecake | not just you, anyone in general in your position | Jan 06 19:19 |
| scientes | well, I got my travel expenses reimburses to give a talk at a top conference | Jan 06 19:20 |
| scientes | and I said so | Jan 06 19:20 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I like the idea of making resources available to people to do scientific work outside of the unviersity system | Jan 06 19:20 |
| Hail_Spacecake | in such a way that people can either succeed or fail by the fruits of their own labor | Jan 06 19:20 |
| scientes | I was pretty up-front that I didn't have a 4-year degree | Jan 06 19:20 |
| Hail_Spacecake | that would make doing science entreprenurial, which is both good and bad I think | Jan 06 19:21 |
| scientes | and that I had good reasons for not having such a degree (slavery, most of all) | Jan 06 19:21 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: you were enslaved? or degrees constitute slavery? | Jan 06 19:21 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, student loans in the US are not eligible for dissolusion in bankruptcy | Jan 06 19:22 |
| scientes | since 2008 | Jan 06 19:22 |
| scientes | and education is a racket | Jan 06 19:22 |
| scientes | and I linked to this chart to proove that in my application https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_student_loan_debt | Jan 06 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ycharts.com | US Student Loan Debt | Jan 06 19:23 | |
| scientes | that number should be added to the 23trillion US debt | Jan 06 19:23 |
| scientes | the 1.5trillion in student debt that is utterly worthless | Jan 06 19:24 |
| Hail_Spacecake | studnet loans aren't a racket they're a tulip subsidy: https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/06/06/against-tulip-subsidies/ | Jan 06 19:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slatestarcodex.com | Against Tulip Subsidies | Slate Star Codex | Jan 06 19:24 | |
| Hail_Spacecake | but yeah, I do think it's bad that studnet loans aren't dischargeable in bankruptcy | Jan 06 19:24 |
| Hail_Spacecake | they should be, like any other loan | Jan 06 19:24 |
| Hail_Spacecake | this would have the effect of making it a lot harder for marginal students to get loans to go to college | Jan 06 19:24 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, they are a racket, you should have seen the full-color brocures I got from "colleges" | Jan 06 19:24 |
| Hail_Spacecake | and probably fewer people would go | Jan 06 19:24 |
| Hail_Spacecake | and that's good | Jan 06 19:24 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, absolute non-sense | Jan 06 19:24 |
| scientes | I was the product | Jan 06 19:24 |
| scientes | and it became obvious I couldn't get a real education no matter what school I went to | Jan 06 19:24 |
| Hail_Spacecake | yeah one of the less socially-desirable things that universities do is provide jobs for academics by serving as de-facto credential-granting centers that all sorts of entities in our society care about | Jan 06 19:25 |
| scientes | https://www.health.harvard.edu/womens-health/yes-you-can-have-better-sex-in-midlife-and-in-the-years-beyond | Jan 06 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.health.harvard.edu | Yes, you can have better sex in midlife and in the years beyond - Harvard Health | Jan 06 19:25 | |
| Hail_Spacecake | the more people have bachelor's degrees, the more that employers of all kinds penalize people for not jumping through the hoops to get one | Jan 06 19:25 |
| Hail_Spacecake | that's a tulip problem, cf. the article | Jan 06 19:26 |
| Hail_Spacecake | most people who want to get a degree don't want to practice science, they just want some kind of job | Jan 06 19:26 |
| Hail_Spacecake | what is your field btw scientes ? | Jan 06 19:26 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, the world is not a zero-sum game | Jan 06 19:26 |
| scientes | <Hail_Spacecake> the more people have bachelor's degrees, the more that employers of all kinds penalize people for not jumping through the hoops to get one | Jan 06 19:26 |
| scientes | the world doesn't work like this | Jan 06 19:26 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: the world itself is not a zero-sum game, but htat doesn't mean there aren't zero-sum games that exist | Jan 06 19:27 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, but they come down to what I already said | Jan 06 19:28 |
| scientes | <scientes> I have played that game before, and as I said earlier in this channel, sucking dicks only gets you surrounded by other dick-suckers | Jan 06 19:28 |
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| scientes | https://www.rt.com/usa/201979-harvard-anal-sex-week/ | Jan 06 19:28 |
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| scientes | one of my high school mates went to Harvard | Jan 06 19:28 |
| scientes | and he was a fucking idiot | Jan 06 19:28 |
| scientes | I hated him | Jan 06 19:29 |
| scientes | because he was the definition of hypocricy | Jan 06 19:29 |
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| Hail_Spacecake | "As part of its annual Sex Week, “a week of programming that is interdisciplinary, thought-provoking, scholastic, innovative and applicable to student experiences in order to promote a holistic understanding of sex and sexuality,” a student-run group at the school will be hosting classes that contrast quite sharply with the comparably run-of-the-mill offerings a Harvard education typically | Jan 06 19:29 |
| Hail_Spacecake | involves. " | Jan 06 19:30 |
| Hail_Spacecake | yeah this sounds right | Jan 06 19:30 |
| Hail_Spacecake | this isn't harvard as an institution offering a class | Jan 06 19:30 |
| Hail_Spacecake | this is a group of students at harvard promoting anal sex as a student group | Jan 06 19:30 |
| scientes | its also exactly the non-sense that college "cultures" provide | Jan 06 19:30 |
| Hail_Spacecake | which they do for a complicated set of basically cultural factors involving what sorts of people become harvard students | Jan 06 19:30 |
| scientes | its a worthless excercise in removing people from society | Jan 06 19:30 |
| scientes | and promoting the most selfish behavior out of them | Jan 06 19:31 |
| Hail_Spacecake | part of the point of universities is to do this | Jan 06 19:31 |
| scientes | so they can't learn about the world | Jan 06 19:31 |
| scientes | because they are only around other clueless young people | Jan 06 19:31 |
| Hail_Spacecake | if you give smart people a chance to work on hard problems, that requires giving them resources and time so that they don't have to do economically-productive work,and can focus on their work | Jan 06 19:31 |
| Hail_Spacecake | but if you think their work is bad, then doing this is bad | Jan 06 19:31 |
| scientes | universities are designed to PREVENT education | Jan 06 19:31 |
| scientes | seriously | Jan 06 19:31 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I take that line of argumentation seriously | Jan 06 19:32 |
| XRevan86 | Not everyone uses an obschaga | Jan 06 19:32 |
| Hail_Spacecake | but I want to think about what a viable replacement for the university looks like | Jan 06 19:32 |
| Hail_Spacecake | that would actually educate instead of just providing the facimile of educatin | Jan 06 19:32 |
| Hail_Spacecake | *education | Jan 06 19:32 |
| XRevan86 | a dormitory that is | Jan 06 19:32 |
| scientes | " viable replacement for the university looks like" | Jan 06 19:33 |
| Hail_Spacecake | and what exactly the failure modes of trying to actually educate are | Jan 06 19:33 |
| scientes | you are already assuming a false premise here | Jan 06 19:33 |
| scientes | everybody was not meant to spend 4 years (or more) artifically removed from society | Jan 06 19:33 |
| scientes | that is a modern invention so that the elites can hide these people and not have to provide them with anything | Jan 06 19:33 |
| scientes | and extend their childhoods until after the whole system collapses | Jan 06 19:34 |
| scientes | while constantly promising them complete and utter lies | Jan 06 19:34 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: I agree | Jan 06 19:34 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I think right now more people go to college than should | Jan 06 19:34 |
| scientes | but the whole thing is designed to prevent education | Jan 06 19:34 |
| scientes | prevent learning | Jan 06 19:34 |
| Hail_Spacecake | but if you think it's okay to have some group of peopele artificially removed from society | Jan 06 19:34 |
| scientes | and alienate people from society | Jan 06 19:34 |
| Hail_Spacecake | to become very educated | Jan 06 19:34 |
| scientes | also feminism that is designed to make women hate men | Jan 06 19:35 |
| Hail_Spacecake | then you have to have some process for deicidng which people those are | Jan 06 19:35 |
| scientes | <Hail_Spacecake> to become very educated | Jan 06 19:35 |
| Hail_Spacecake | and I think that's exactly the system we have now, just that that process has become corrupt | Jan 06 19:35 |
| scientes | but these societies *never* did that | Jan 06 19:35 |
| scientes | *things | Jan 06 19:35 |
| scientes | they are just leaches, that get a few big names to make it appear so | Jan 06 19:35 |
| Hail_Spacecake | do you think that all universities should be abolished today? that no university does anything at all useful for anyone? | Jan 06 19:35 |
| scientes | they would make great communities, as the designes are much better than suburbia | Jan 06 19:36 |
| Hail_Spacecake | you mean the physical grounds of universities? | Jan 06 19:36 |
| scientes | yes | Jan 06 19:36 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I think physical grounds of universities differ too much to say that they are all collectively good | Jan 06 19:36 |
| scientes | plenty of grass for gardens | Jan 06 19:36 |
| Hail_Spacecake | and then, you still have to decide, what set of people get to live there | Jan 06 19:36 |
| scientes | no you don't | Jan 06 19:37 |
| Hail_Spacecake | do you favor abolishing the non-profit institutions that make up public universities, privatizing their land, and selling it on the real estatemarket? | Jan 06 19:37 |
| scientes | that is hypocritical liberal thinking | Jan 06 19:37 |
| Hail_Spacecake | should the government just run public housing on the grounds of what is today universities? | Jan 06 19:37 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3rloGDFinM | Jan 06 19:37 |
| scientes | "the government" | Jan 06 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Are We Headed for a Soviet-Style Collapse? - Dmitry Orlov - YouTube | Jan 06 19:37 | |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: yeah not every university is state-run | Jan 06 19:38 |
| Hail_Spacecake | only some are | Jan 06 19:38 |
| scientes | I forget when he starts talking about using University campuses | Jan 06 19:38 |
| Hail_Spacecake | others are already private institutions | Jan 06 19:38 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, ...... | Jan 06 19:38 |
| scientes | I already commented on that | Jan 06 19:38 |
| scientes | you aren't listening | Jan 06 19:38 |
| scientes | Upset people pull water wagons..... | Jan 06 19:38 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: what did you already comment on? | Jan 06 19:39 |
| Hail_Spacecake | anyway my only point was that if you wanted to abolish universities, and use the physical space for housing for the general public, you have to decide somehow which set of the general public gets to live there | Jan 06 19:41 |
| Hail_Spacecake | just like public housing, just like private housing | Jan 06 19:42 |
| scientes | Upset people pull water wagons..... | Jan 06 19:42 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I don't understand your metaphor | Jan 06 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | Neither do I… | Jan 06 19:47 |
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