●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 ●● ● Jan 06 [00:03] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:03] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I just sent an email about that to the Illinois State Rifle Association. [00:03] DaemonFC[m] Illinois is such a cesspit. Has nothing to do with the immigrants though. [00:04] DaemonFC[m] It's a shithole full of Midwestern Big Bank Democrats, black-on-black crime, and other weird stuff. [00:04] DaemonFC[m] So of course Joe Biden picked up a lot of delegates here. [00:05] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Janet Yellen "earned" $7 million in speaking fees to the banks since her term as Fed Chair ended 2 years ago. Not bad. I'm sure she said $7 million dollars worth of stuff to them. [00:05] DaemonFC[m] And now she's going to be a completely impartial and progressive Treasury Secretary. [00:06] schestowitz Bye-DON [00:06] schestowitz Hello-Same-Old [00:11] DaemonFC[m] This is not good. These are the same people who got together with Republicans in 1999 and passed the Financial Services Modernization Act. [00:11] DaemonFC[m] Which repealed the Depression-Era firewall on investment and deposit banking. Leading to complete disaster due to banks gambling with depositor money, which everyone who voted for it knew was coming. [00:11] *xvx has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:13] schestowitz it's a failed state [00:13] schestowitz no matter if Trump actually leaves [00:13] schestowitz it failed [00:13] schestowitz like the Soviety Union [00:13] schestowitz whether it can rebuild... who knows... [00:13] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/351d16daa0cd6656.mp4 [00:13] schestowitz but like USSR, it'll never return to past glory [00:14] schestowitz Russia is nowhere as powerful worldwide as the Soviets were [00:15] schestowitz MinceR: another man playing with his pussy [00:15] MinceR is it right to own cats? :> [00:16] DaemonFC[m] We didn't lose territory, yet. [00:16] DaemonFC[m] But yeah, the government is failing as a world power. [00:16] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:17] DaemonFC[m] Which is totally predictable when your GDP is pumped up with "financial services" and imaginary property, and borrowed money. [00:17] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Unlike USSR, the US doesn't permit territory to leave. [00:17] DaemonFC[m] But the United States is turning into a failed state, and a lot of that is Trump. [00:17] XRevan86 it's not always about the legalities, but USSR did just allow some states to leave [00:17] MinceR when? [00:17] XRevan86 MinceR: 80s [00:17] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [00:17] DaemonFC[m] Well, the USSR tried not to let territories leave, and then realized that it couldn't stop them. [00:18] DaemonFC[m] Not without devolving into civil war. [00:18] MinceR maybe they couldn't afford to keep them occupied [00:18] MinceR as they couldn't afford to keep most of the eastern bloc occupied in 1989 [00:18] DaemonFC[m] And they weren't actually tied together as a society in the same way. [00:18] DaemonFC[m] The Soviets outright invaded and stole several of their Republics from formerly legitimate states. [00:19] DaemonFC[m] In many cases, not even the same language was shared. [00:20] DaemonFC[m] The Russians tried "solving" this by colonizing the areas by force with Russian speakers. [00:20] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Like Mexican territory in the US? [00:20] XRevan86 granted that territory is now properly naturalised after this much time [00:21] DaemonFC[m] Yes, but with the exception that it worked here. [00:21] DaemonFC[m] There's so few of the natives left compared with descendants of the settlers that there's no real chance that they'd actually try to revolt. [00:22] MinceR apparently the USA actually paid for those territories [00:22] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hidalgo [00:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo - Wikipedia [00:22] XRevan86 Anyway, what really helped Baltic states to secede is that they legally could. [00:23] XRevan86 If they couldn't legally, then the union government would've had to take severe action. [00:23] XRevan86 instead they chose not to [00:25] schestowitz twice today lxer linked to PDFs [00:25] XRevan86 It's not to say that any secession was permitted (the union government could find some pretext to crush the rebellion), but that it's something that helped build up momentum for it and then for it to just happen. [00:25] schestowitz instead of web pages [00:25] schestowitz wth? [00:26] XRevan86 In a federation there's literally only one way this conflict can be resolved: war. [00:27] schestowitz of words [00:27] XRevan86 Even allowing secession is an act of treason. [00:28] Ariadne [17:26:36] In a federation there's literally only one way this conflict can be resolved: war. [00:28] Ariadne ah that explains the fediverse [00:29] MinceR :) [00:29] XRevan86 That's why all the former Soviet republics are proper states and other forked off states are unrecognised. [00:29] XRevan86 And an unrecognised state is pretty much a war on hold. [00:30] schestowitz "This is ... not good. Fedora live USBs do not even boot, and a Ubuntu 20/10 live USB has a lot of broken stuff, but surprisingly wifi works nicely." https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2021/01/quick-review-of-lenovo-yoga-9i-laptop.html [00:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nibblestew.blogspot.com | Nibble Stew: Quick review of Lenovo Yoga 9i laptop [00:30] schestowitz ^^ DaemonFC[m] [00:30] XRevan86 Like Nagorno-Karabakh [00:30] XRevan86 > Gorbachev refused to make any changes to the status of Nagorno-Karabakh, which remained part of Azerbaijan. [00:31] XRevan86 and so you know what Azerbaijan did to N-K 30 years later [00:31] DaemonFC[m] Fedora live USBs may not boot if Ubuntu has been previously installed. [00:32] DaemonFC[m] You'd have to reset Secure Boot to factory default or turn it off. [00:32] DaemonFC[m] If it's complaining about a security policy violation, that is. [00:32] DaemonFC[m] Happened to me on the older laptop. [00:34] MinceR strange, i thought hedrat also paid the redmond mafia to sign their stub [00:35] XRevan86 If USSR dissolution were more like Russian Federation losing territories (if Russian Empire just moved to a republic model), all these states like Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan would've been barely recognised states legally under Russian control. [00:36] XRevan86 So yes, the US being a federation makes the situation very different. [00:37] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Ubuntu does a dbx update to the Secure Boot setup, which causes the firmware to reject Fedora's shim bootloader. [00:38] MinceR oh, i read it the wrong way around [00:38] MinceR what a clusterfuck [00:39] DaemonFC[m] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4575994/microsoft-guidance-for-applying-secure-boot-dbx-update [00:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com | [00:40] DaemonFC[m] "Red Hat hosts the following update tool on GitHub:" [00:40] DaemonFC[m] https://github.com/rhboot/dbxtool [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - rhboot/dbxtool: Tool for UEFI Secure Boot DBX updates [00:40] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: ^ [00:41] DaemonFC[m] https://github.com/rhboot [00:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat Bootloader Team GitHub [00:41] XRevan86 Stalin wanted a unitary state, so that confederate core of the USSR is Stalin compromising to Lenin's vision of an international union of nations united under the same idea and stuff. [00:41] DaemonFC[m] https://github.com/orgs/rhboot/people [00:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-People Red Hat Bootloader Team GitHub [00:42] DaemonFC[m] "This organization has no public members." [00:42] schestowitz lol [00:42] XRevan86 Still mostly a faade behind which there was a unitary state with a strong vertical government. [00:42] schestowitz that's ibm's final solution to secure boot [00:42] schestowitz outsource to Microsoft [00:42] schestowitz fire staff [00:42] XRevan86 but that helped its dissolve [00:42] DaemonFC[m] https://github.com/rhboot/grub2 [00:42] schestowitz can't believe mjg59 helped this agenda [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - rhboot/grub2: Ongoing work on grub2, including Fedora and RHEL [00:42] schestowitz months ago rhel boxes would not boot [00:42] schestowitz many of them [00:42] schestowitz because of 'secure' boot [00:42] DaemonFC[m] Red Hat has their work on grub 2 in a github repo as well. [00:43] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/19/microsoft-hosted-fedora/ [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 2 Years After Microsoft Hijacked GitHub for Monopoly Fedora Still Has Well Over 100 Projects in Microsofts GitHub (Not Even Counting Red Hats and Systemd) | Techrights [00:43] schestowitz known issues [00:43] Ariadne what agenda ? [00:44] DaemonFC[m] This firmware diarrhea called uEFI. [00:44] Ariadne i think it is good if somebody can burn a USB stick and boot up their machine [00:44] schestowitz pushing for acceptance of Microsoft as key holder for boot [00:44] schestowitz which worked for them [00:44] schestowitz they get to command what can and cannot run on machines [00:44] Ariadne i see no evidence mjg59 actually pushed for acceptance of Microsoft as key holder [00:44] schestowitz a bit like OOXML [00:44] schestowitz he did [00:44] Ariadne only that he wrote code to enable redhat distros to boot in such a world [00:44] schestowitz he made a "shim" [00:44] schestowitz we wrote about it many times [00:45] schestowitz like developers and companies that 'supported' OOXML in 2007/8 [00:45] DaemonFC[m] It was never in any serious doubt that OEMs wouldn't cripple it so the user had no control over whose keys would be accepted by it. [00:45] Ariadne making a shim is not an endorsement of Microsoft [00:45] schestowitz it helped them [00:45] MinceR it kind of is [00:45] MinceR paying the redmond mafia to sign the shim, on the other hand, is totally an endorsement [00:45] DaemonFC[m] Most OEMs that sell a PC do not allow the user to use Custom Mode, at all. [00:45] Ariadne what about the other people it helped? the people who had secure boot laptops they couldn't rekey? [00:45] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights [00:46] schestowitz Ariadne: they did not have them [00:46] MinceR those people should have bought general purpose computers [00:46] schestowitz we talk about when it was barely introduced yet [00:46] schestowitz like when OOXML was used nowhere [00:46] Ariadne these laptops do exist [00:46] DaemonFC[m] About the only way you get control of it is to buy a motherboard and build your own PC. [00:46] MinceR and had their useless garbage recycled properly, preferably with a refund [00:46] MinceR i know [00:46] schestowitz and then they find their shills to push something people laregly reject [00:46] MinceR hp makes such garbage, for example [00:46] schestowitz so that it seems or feels "accepted" [00:46] MinceR actually i think restricted boot can be disabled on the hp garbage i used [00:46] Ariadne so, i see shim as an acceptance of current reality, not an endorsement of it [00:47] DaemonFC[m] Anything that has ever had Windows on it, you probably don't get to use Custom Mode. [00:47] MinceR it just didn't have working CSM [00:47] Ariadne obviously the world would be better if shim did not need to exist [00:47] schestowitz Ariadne: not back then [00:47] DaemonFC[m] But the Miguel de Icaza of uEFI Secure Boot, mjg59, won't admit it. [00:47] schestowitz chicken and egg [00:47] schestowitz same with OOXML [00:47] DaemonFC[m] I've never seen him talk about it much, if at all. [00:47] MinceR the world would be better if people refused to buy this shit [00:47] Ariadne bruh [00:47] MinceR but they didn't [00:47] Ariadne OEMs don't give a shit about linux [00:47] Ariadne never have [00:47] MinceR and so now general purpose computers are dying out [00:47] schestowitz they do actually [00:47] XRevan86 Ariadne: The fediverse is technically not a federation, but somehow it's at constant secessions and at war, so maybe in spirit it is :) [00:47] Ariadne on servers, yes [00:48] schestowitz otherwise they would not test and support [00:48] schestowitz as more now do [00:48] schestowitz not just servers [00:48] Ariadne on the $300 walmart you buy from walmart, no [00:48] DaemonFC[m] If you plan to use Linux on it, just turn Secure Boot off. [00:48] Ariadne err $300 laptop [00:48] schestowitz this past year many OEMs offered gnu/linux preloaded [00:48] DaemonFC[m] There's no actual malware that anyone can demonstrate lurking around waiting for you to turn it off. [00:48] mjg59 People keep asserting that there are machines where you can't re-key, but nobody will ever give me a model number [00:48] DaemonFC[m] And it may cause your computer to fail to work. [00:49] schestowitz it's fake security [00:49] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: I need Star Trek expertise [00:49] schestowitz when vZS1 wakes up he might weigh in [00:49] schestowitz UEFI 'secure' boot is not about security [00:49] schestowitz it's about contro [00:49] schestowitz none of the PC user [00:49] XRevan86 Is the Star Trek Federation a federation? I forgot. [00:49] schestowitz and much for Microsoft [00:49] schestowitz and for Intel [00:49] Ariadne well the solution there is to write x86 off entirely [00:49] mjg59 Intel has no control over any aspect of secure boot [00:49] schestowitz and if people don't understand that, media like zd nyet conned them, [00:49] DaemonFC[m] Secure Boot is worthless. It's another Microsoftism like Controlled Folder Access, (which has three distinct and unsolveable bypasses for Ransomware to attack). [00:50] schestowitz where Ad Bot called Linux users "fanatics" [00:50] DaemonFC[m] Which breaks legitimate applications if you turn it on. [00:50] schestowitz for rejecting this con [00:50] Ariadne anyway [00:50] DaemonFC[m] It's all "defense in duh derp" according to Microsoft. [00:50] DaemonFC[m] Doesn't need fixed, it follows. [00:50] schestowitz mjg59: it controls the specs [00:50] mjg59 No it doesn't [00:50] schestowitz it's the foremost members of their fake consortium [00:50] schestowitz I spoke to them about it in a conference call [00:50] schestowitz they're conmen [00:50] mjg59 I literally wrote portions of the spec [00:50] Ariadne i don't think calling mjg59 the "miguel de icaza of secure boot" is appropriate, especially since redhat paid him to make it [00:51] schestowitz red hat is no champion either [00:51] mjg59 (To make it easier to handle setups with custom keys) [00:51] schestowitz look how close they are to Microsoft [00:51] schestowitz even back then [00:51] schestowitz and more so now with IBM [00:51] schestowitz they surrendered for money [00:51] DaemonFC[m] Ad Bott wants you to know you can stick it to the man by putting Windows 10 on your computer! [00:51] Ariadne ok, so complain about redhat management [00:51] schestowitz and they don't care about freedom [00:51] schestowitz they hoarded sswpats for over a decade [00:51] schestowitz and now hand it over to IBM... for extortion [00:52] DaemonFC[m] Ad Bott is so hyped over this that he re-shitposts the same "article" 100 times. [00:52] DaemonFC[m] In case you could possibly miss it. [00:52] Ariadne redhat managment goes: "servers have secure boot now, we need to make sure our installer still works on these", so shim is written to enable booting the installer [00:52] schestowitz zdnet is corrupt and crooked [00:52] psydroid red hat did an excellent bait-and-switch there [00:52] Ariadne it's all about $$$ [00:52] schestowitz and they hire Microsoft booster [00:52] schestowitz them and Microsoft Pedophile Peter boosted UEFI 'secure' boot [00:52] schestowitz by insulting the critics [00:53] schestowitz and using arguments from Microsoft's own PR department [00:53] Ariadne i think if you all actually spent some time working release management issues for a distro, you might have a better understanding of why shim happened [00:54] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, well, Microsoft _is_ the company that launched the "Freedom to Innovate Network" where you could spam your Congress Critter with form letters about how much you loved Active Desktop and IE's channel bar full of ads. [00:54] Ariadne what the hell is active desktop [00:54] DaemonFC[m] If you don't like your computer leaking memory and crashing five times a day, you kick puppies. [00:54] Ariadne i'm sorry i never really used windows growing up [00:54] Ariadne we had macs and a BSD box [00:55] DaemonFC[m] It was this completely awful part of a Windows shell update brought in by IE 4 or, just there in Windows 98, which spewed a bunch of Internet Explorer crap everywhere. [00:55] DaemonFC[m] It was very poorly written, crashed all the time, and sat there leaking memory until your computer would either blue screen or thrash the swap file until you rebooted. [00:55] Ariadne amazing [00:56] DaemonFC[m] My most popular page on my site was all the ways you could remove that and Internet Explorer and go back to the Windows 95 B shell, which I hosted in a zip file. [00:57] DaemonFC[m] I said "Just grab this and tell RoM II where to find these three files. It'll rip it all out and reboot. Recommended on fresh installs or god only knows what will happen. You were warned.". [00:57] schestowitz made to lie about antitrust [00:57] schestowitz why a rendering engine belonged in the OS [00:57] schestowitz it was a lie and cheat [00:57] schestowitz and they removed it shortly after Microsoft become espionage arm for UIS gov [00:57] schestowitz 1999 [00:57] schestowitz with back doors [00:57] schestowitz and then no more antitrust [00:57] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: It replaced explorer.exe, the common controls dll, and something else, don't remember. [00:57] schestowitz gates even started pretending he was not a criminal anymore [00:58] schestowitz and bribed the media which prior to that said the truth about him [00:58] DaemonFC[m] It was basically Windows 95 with FAT32, USB, Plug and Play, and an improved memory manager, when that was done. [00:58] schestowitz bribing the media to "support journalism" [00:58] psydroid 2000 was when I installed gnu/linux (suse) on my computer at home [00:58] mjg59 Anyway, the Hacking Team dump included a UEFI-based bootkit [00:58] DaemonFC[m] It did a patch on the shell to make it say Windows 98 instead of 95. [00:58] mjg59 The idea that bad people don't attack the boot process is ridiculous [00:58] schestowitz UEFI is a security nightmare [00:58] schestowitz to the point of bricking [00:59] DaemonFC[m] There was absolutely no real integration of IE into Windows 98. [00:59] schestowitz Germany gov. rejected it [00:59] schestowitz for security reasons [00:59] mjg59 BIOS is, from a security perspective, worse [00:59] DaemonFC[m] It was skin deep. The shell, some registry crap, some junk that used IE. That's about it. [00:59] mjg59 Since there simply isn't any [00:59] schestowitz K.I.S.S. [00:59] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft testified in court that it went deep, deep into the OS. [00:59] DaemonFC[m] It did not. [00:59] mjg59 And we know that activists have been targeted that way [00:59] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft has a long history of dishonesty. [00:59] schestowitz to say the least ● Jan 06 [01:00] Ariadne anyway all of this was solved back in the 90s with IEEE1275 open firmware [01:00] DaemonFC[m] They openly lie in court and even when Professor Felton demonstrated his utility, the court didn't acknowledge what had just happened. [01:00] mjg59 Ariadne: I'd be fine with Open Firmware, but that's also missing any real security [01:02] schestowitz proprietary=security? [01:02] schestowitz haha [01:02] psydroid yes [01:03] schestowitz welcome to Solar Winds, Mr. G [01:03] schestowitz Google Garrett [01:03] Ariadne he did not say proprietary [01:03] schestowitz it's like Microsoft saying "source code" stolen [01:03] schestowitz as if source code = vulnerability [01:04] schestowitz the insinuation is that we should use some opaque and complex crap [01:04] schestowitz for 'security' [01:04] schestowitz as if making things harder to understand means security [01:04] Ariadne open firmware could do the same cryptographic verification without being complex [01:04] DaemonFC[m] Proprietary firmware "hides" bugs and bug workarounds and spaghetti code, but then people figure out a lot of that anyway. [01:04] schestowitz it need not [01:04] mjg59 You can implement UEFI (including secure boot) with 100% free code [01:04] schestowitz we don't want that [01:04] schestowitz we don't need it [01:04] DaemonFC[m] And they get threatened with lawsuits over responsible disclosure. [01:04] schestowitz we know who wants that [01:04] Ariadne i want that [01:04] schestowitz and why [01:04] schestowitz monopolies [01:04] schestowitz mjg59: no need [01:04] mjg59 It's just Libreboot with the Tiano payload [01:04] schestowitz we don't want [01:04] schestowitz do. not. want. [01:05] mjg59 You may not [01:05] schestowitz let the users have their own machine [01:05] mjg59 People who are targeted by their governments do [01:05] schestowitz without back doors [01:05] MinceR 06 015920 < mjg59> Since there simply isn't any [01:05] MinceR so, exactly as much as with uefi [01:05] schestowitz right now most computers, inc. chromebooks, have back doors [01:05] schestowitz so any security posting is a lugh [01:05] MinceR but at least bios isn't as bloated and has a tendency to work and not brick the computer [01:05] schestowitz and you play along with that joke [01:05] MinceR but who needs that if you can stick "securitah" on the brochure? [01:05] schestowitz *posing [01:05] DaemonFC[m] Google is interested in fixing security problems it didn't intend to put in there. [01:06] MinceR as an added bonus, you can "standardize" on stupid bullshit such as having the system clock set to local time [01:06] schestowitz Google does back doors [01:06] schestowitz remote access to microphone etc. [01:06] schestowitz for the state [01:06] mjg59 I've got no idea why people have the impression that I like UEFI [01:06] MinceR because having Backdoors brag about changing your clock on boot is so much fin [01:06] schestowitz Google never cared about seucurity [01:06] schestowitz it attacks users' security [01:06] schestowitz to steal their data [01:06] schestowitz it's an espionage company [01:06] mjg59 I've been pretty clear that I think it's a mess [01:06] schestowitz conflating confidentiality with theft of data by itself [01:06] DaemonFC[m] I notice I haven't seen any Chromebooks with a privacy shutter on the webcam. [01:07] DaemonFC[m] Much less one that disables the microphone. [01:07] MinceR "BIOS is worse than UEFI! I don't know why people believe I am a UEFI fanboy!" [01:07] schestowitz "confidential computing' = we stole your data, we don't want Russia/China to have a copy now [01:07] MinceR \_()_/ [01:07] MinceR s/fin/fun/ [01:07] Ariadne BIOS and UEFI have a lot of the same crap (e.g. ACPI) [01:07] schestowitz it pays more to attack society [01:07] schestowitz than to reallt protect it [01:08] schestowitz in class war we know who attacks society [01:08] schestowitz and who has the cpital [01:08] schestowitz people give away their loyalties [01:08] schestowitz by supporting Wintel UEFI [01:08] mjg59 BIOS has less security than UEFI [01:08] *esaym153 has quit (Quit: leaving) [01:08] MinceR no, it has the same amount: 0 [01:08] schestowitz I think not much more should be said really... [01:08] DaemonFC[m] I generally disable access to camera and microphone to the web platform and then leave the privacy shutter, which has a hardware disable feature for both, shut. [01:08] mjg59 And was also a mess [01:08] MinceR it does tend to have less vendor lock-in, though [01:08] MinceR and less bloat [01:08] MinceR but who cares about those if the brochure is so shiny [01:09] schestowitz you can study it [01:09] Ariadne anyway, i am very interested in cryptographically attested boot of my own kernels with my own keys [01:09] schestowitz and much of the threat comes not from insign binaries [01:09] XRevan86 mjg59: Surprisingly, UEFI is a bit tougher to deal with when it breaks. [01:09] schestowitz but the signed ones [01:09] schestowitz chromeOS, windows [01:09] schestowitz they have back doors [01:09] MinceR especially when it bricks the machine [01:09] XRevan86 Not surprisingly, Secure Boot is a pain in the arse. [01:09] schestowitz so all this 'secure boot' crap is a lie and posing [01:09] schestowitz by the mass espionage cabal [01:09] schestowitz which includes Google, Apple, Microsoft [01:09] schestowitz even IBM [01:09] mjg59 schestowitz: Do you deny that activists have been targeted through modifications to their computer's boot process? [01:10] schestowitz through the OS [01:10] schestowitz like your employers' [01:10] schestowitz Red Hat, Google... [01:10] MinceR mjg59: do you deny that activists have been targeted through security holes in windows? [01:10] DaemonFC[m] There is such a list of shit APIs in Chrome that it exposes to the web. [01:10] mjg59 MinceR: They absolutely have [01:10] schestowitz that's how they get to the silicon [01:10] DaemonFC[m] Something that nobody that was up to any good would use. [01:10] schestowitz if the Intel chips themselves aren't targeted with M.E. [01:10] schestowitz MINIX [01:10] mjg59 But attacking the boot process (if possible) leaves fewer traces [01:10] schestowitz ripped off quietly for back doors to be added [01:10] MinceR so, how much security do those activists get from a system that is intended to lock them into windows? [01:10] Ariadne i've seen situations where an activist got owned through the OS and then that turned into a bootkit [01:11] DaemonFC[m] Fingerprinter attacks and malware, mostly. [01:11] mjg59 And potentially persists over reinstalls [01:11] schestowitz the signatures would not help when the OS itself has back doors [01:11] schestowitz and UEFI is too opaque to offfer security [01:11] XRevan86 mjg59: Why would it persist over reinstalls? [01:11] MinceR also, do UEFI fans still believe that they can somehow secure a system in the absence of physical security? [01:11] schestowitz and it's maintained by Pentagon players [01:11] MinceR because that's hilarious [01:11] XRevan86 mjg59: Your OS of choice doesn't even try to run grub2-install ? [01:11] schestowitz they can better disguise how bogus this 'security' is [01:11] mjg59 XRevan86: If it ends up in the firmware instead [01:12] schestowitz and enable remote bricking (as happened already) [01:12] XRevan86 mjg59: Oh, I didn't know Secure Boot protects firmware too. [01:12] MinceR it protects everything, just buy one already! [01:12] schestowitz :-) [01:12] mjg59 XRevan86: Secure Boot itself doesn't, but Boot Guard (and similar technologies) push equivalent functionality down into the firmware [01:12] DaemonFC[m] Controlled Folder Access.... [01:12] MinceR oh, and buy a license for Backdoors10 too, since we aren't letting you run anything else on it. [01:12] DaemonFC[m] RANSOMWARE PROTECTION! [01:12] schestowitz more loayers [01:12] schestowitz it's cold [01:12] schestowitz more layers [01:13] schestowitz MOAR complexity [01:13] DaemonFC[m] LibreOffice and video game saves will silently fail. [01:13] schestowitz let's add some more RNGs while add it [01:13] DaemonFC[m] But that's a small price to pay for fake security. [01:13] MinceR nice [01:13] psydroid Secure Boot protects your home, it's just that good! [01:13] MinceR the ransomware i was most worried about _were_ libreoffice and video games. [01:13] mjg59 MinceR: Anyway, the presumption is absolutely that short term physical access should not result in a machine being compromised [01:13] schestowitz in Intel chips... with secret sauce for your magic pseudo entropy [01:13] MinceR mjg59: well, that's very much an uphill battle [01:14] schestowitz mjg59: most people's machines are compromised regardless, by virtue of running backdoored OSes [01:14] mjg59 MinceR: It is, but machines are getting better in this respect [01:14] schestowitz by default [01:14] schestowitz and with keys [01:14] schestowitz from Microsoft [01:14] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: It could be not losing your documents as we speak if it wasn't for Microsoft's abuse of read-only attributes that have three workarounds in the other parts of the OS for actual malware. [01:14] MinceR what if an attacker replaced your laptop with one that looks identical but just asks you for your SSD password on boot and then exfiltrates it and hangs? [01:14] schestowitz to boot on UEFI malware baked in [01:14] Ariadne schestowitz: i agree that Microsoft being the default UEFI root of trust is highly problematic [01:14] XRevan86 MinceR: I'm lazy, SeaBIOS works so far. I am worried it may be hacked already. [01:14] mjg59 MinceR: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/35742.html [01:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Anti Evil Maid 2 Turbo Edition [01:14] MinceR mjg59: there is a battle we're more likely to be able to win, though -- the one to retain control over our own property. [01:15] MinceR and that one starts with getting rid of stuff such as UEFI [01:15] mjg59 MinceR: I agree. No systems should be sold without it being possible for the owner to run whatever software they wish. [01:15] schestowitz Ariadne: https://www.computerworld.com/article/2469098/is-microsoft-helping-russia-crack-down-on-dissidents-.html [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is Microsoft helping Russia crack down on dissidents? | Computerworld [01:15] schestowitz by Microsoft propagandist [01:16] DaemonFC[m] Maybe LibreOffice should just start saving your documents using code injection against a Trusted Windows Component. [01:16] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: That's far more robust anyway. [01:16] MinceR or, for a simpler attack: what if an attacker put a hardware keylogger between the keyboard and mainboard of your laptop? [01:16] schestowitz original https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/world/europe/12raids.html [01:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Russia Uses Microsoft to Suppress Dissent - The New York Times [01:16] schestowitz so this is the company we entrust to sign uefi 'secure' boot keys [01:16] schestowitz greeeeeat [01:16] schestowitz approved by vlad [01:16] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: They also forcibly whitelist Microsoft Office. [01:16] MinceR :> [01:17] DaemonFC[m] So it never fails to save a document. LibreOffice just breaks for no obvious reason. [01:17] MinceR so "ransomware protection" is just a ploy to lock users into microshit office [01:17] MinceR business as usual [01:17] DaemonFC[m] So you can also get around it by abusing MS Office if it's installed. [01:17] MinceR but hey, microshit <3 everything [01:17] MinceR they said so in their ads, so it's got to be true. [01:17] DaemonFC[m] Well, unless you get an office macro virus. [01:17] schestowitz monopoly is now 'security' [01:17] DaemonFC[m] Then it can write to those folders and encrypt them why not. [01:17] schestowitz and the UEFI boosters WORK for monopolies [01:17] schestowitz coincidence? [01:18] mjg59 MinceR: There's actually ways to identify whether a machine has been opened [01:18] MinceR good [01:18] MinceR the first attack i mentioned is immune to all of them [01:18] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: It's fine as long as users are protected from self-built Linux kernels with Secure Boot. [01:18] XRevan86 everything else is immaterial [01:18] schestowitz that's "dangerous" [01:18] schestowitz unlike Windows update [01:18] MinceR then there's the attack that involves using one of the keys owned by the redmond mafia to sign malicious boot code and then putting that code on your "oh so secure" system [01:18] schestowitz with eternal boot ccycles [01:18] schestowitz so you cannot even access your file [01:19] MinceR this could happen with the redmond mafia being a willing participant or it could involve someone breaking into their systems [01:19] mjg59 MinceR: Sure, and if that's part of your threat model then you re-key the machine and do your own signing [01:19] schestowitz good luck [01:19] schestowitz and that beats the purpose of the whole thing [01:19] MinceR what schestowitz said [01:19] mjg59 I mean, this is a thing we literally do [01:19] schestowitz which means, you lost! [01:19] schestowitz try again later [01:19] MinceR good luck locking down a system that was designed to work against you [01:19] MinceR also, it has the same issue as with the Endorsement Key [01:19] psydroid not being able to boot into your operating system makes your system the safest it will ever be [01:20] schestowitz :-) [01:20] schestowitz protecting us... from ourselves [01:20] schestowitz trust Microsoft [01:20] MinceR making microshit the gatekeeper of your property and attempting to lock out competing OSes by default is not necessary for this whole rekeying business [01:20] schestowitz they know BEST [01:20] schestowitz they also work for Vlad and Donald [01:20] MinceR making it difficult for the user to disable Restricted Boot is also not necessary for it [01:20] schestowitz so they're OK [01:20] Ariadne i do my own signing on my alpine install already [01:20] schestowitz sedition Incorporated [01:20] MinceR the excuses the redmond mafia gives you are fraudulent, they do not justify what they're doing [01:21] XRevan86 psydroid: That makes sense. Any programmer with security in mind makes sure that they don't implement something Turing Complete [01:21] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2014/03/25/uefi-secure-boot-and-fsf/ [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | My Disagreement With the FSF Over UEFI Secure Boot | Techrights [01:21] MinceR also, putting a whole OS in your firmware, full of bugs is probably also unnecessary [01:21] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/uefi-secure-boot-award/ [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI Secure Boot is Just a Security Mess, as Techrights Predicted All Along, and FSF Should Not Have Given That Award | Techrights [01:21] XRevan86 so not allowing anything Turing Complete to run on a machine is the best way to ensure it's secure :) [01:21] MinceR to say nothing of locking the whole thing into microshit formats like FAT and PE [01:21] schestowitz brickOS [01:21] schestowitz thank you, Matt! [01:21] Ariadne then again [01:21] Ariadne i don't use UEFI [01:21] MinceR XRevan86: yes, smashing the laptop with a sledgehammer will ensure that no malware will run on it [01:21] Ariadne but instead libreboot [01:22] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot-meme/ [01:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] It Was Only a Matter of Time All Along | Techrights [01:22] Ariadne with grub2 payload [01:22] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot/ [01:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Karma or Hubris? Is #TorvaldsWasRight a Thing Now? | Techrights [01:22] MinceR it would be nice if the hardware manufacturers under the redmond mafia's boots were willing to sell libreboot machines [01:22] XRevan86 MinceR: Well, to be fair, these are not terribly complicated formats, so despite being disturbing it's not necessarily an issue. [01:22] MinceR but they aren't [01:22] MinceR XRevan86: they're not terribly complicated, merely terrible [01:22] XRevan86 MinceR: They're good enough for UEFI purposes. [01:22] MinceR so maybe they're the best part of UEFI [01:23] MinceR because the rest is not only terrible, but also terribly complicated :> [01:23] schestowitz need to keep their engineers busy [01:23] XRevan86 can't argue with facts and logic %) [01:23] schestowitz adding complexity [01:23] schestowitz piling up for monopoly [01:23] psydroid MinceR, I don't think they can, because the Wrath of Gates will send them straight to hell [01:23] schestowitz to keep everyone else chasing [01:23] schestowitz like OOXML [01:23] schestowitz with its endless mazes [01:23] XRevan86 Ariadne: Wait, libreboot is still kicking? [01:23] MinceR psydroid: which is exactly the problem [01:23] schestowitz special 'standards' for each version of Office [01:23] schestowitz even 95' [01:24] schestowitz bootloaders should have a simple job [01:24] schestowitz like init systems [01:24] schestowitz boot and do it right [01:24] MinceR indeed [01:24] schestowitz not ask monopolies whether it's "safe" [01:24] schestowitz that's another module [01:24] schestowitz stick it somewhere else [01:24] schestowitz like some USB slot [01:25] XRevan86 https://notabug.org/libreboot/libreboot/commits/master hmm [01:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Commit History libreboot/libreboot - NotABug.org: Free code hosting [01:25] schestowitz I don't want PGP to also ask Microsoft is my keychain is "trusted" [01:25] MinceR and if they want to keep software to modify boot code without the user's consent, put it on a readonly device or in a readonly slot or protect it with a switch or jumper [01:25] XRevan86 That doesn't look like actual coding, but there are commits [01:25] MinceR those are far more reliable than Restricted Boot [01:25] schestowitz gn [01:25] MinceR o/ [01:26] XRevan86 u [01:33] Ariadne XRevan86: technically coreboot :P [01:34] DaemonFC[m] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/researcher-bypasses-windows-controlled-folder-access-anti-ransomware-protection/ [01:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Researcher Bypasses Windows Controlled Folder Access Anti-Ransomware Protection [01:34] MinceR Anti-LibreOffice Protection [01:34] DaemonFC[m] Jesus displeased with Microsoft [01:34] DaemonFC[m] Jesus said he notified Microsoft about the issue he discovered. In a screenshot of the email he received from Microsoft, Jesus said the OS maker didn't classify the issue as a security vulnerability but said it would improve CFA in future releases to address the reported bypass method. [01:34] DaemonFC[m] "That really means Microsoft will fix the vulnerability that should be classified as Mitigation bypass without acknowledgment," said Jesus, referring to the fact that he'll get no credit or bug bounty reward for the issue he pointed out. [01:34] DaemonFC[m] Jesus displeased. [01:35] MinceR even Jesus doesn't like microshit [01:35] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft didn't give Jesus any credit. [01:35] MinceR can we expect divine retribution? [01:35] MinceR maybe the redmond area could get the sodom/gomorrah treatment [01:36] DaemonFC[m] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsofts-unreleased-windows-core-polaris-os-leaks-online/ [01:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft's unreleased Windows Core Polaris OS leaks online [01:36] DaemonFC[m] low performance device [01:37] DaemonFC[m] Any device can be a low performance device with Windows 10. [01:37] DaemonFC[m] I thought it was really low energy too. [01:38] MinceR lol [01:38] MinceR earlier versions of windows could already do that [01:39] XRevan86 MinceR: Machines keep getting faster, Windows needs to stay up-to-date. [01:39] scientes XRevan86, they need to develop blinds [01:40] scientes (that way they don't have to worry about getting blown out) [01:40] MinceR yeah [01:42] psydroid does it already run like a pig on hardware from 5 years ago? [01:42] psydroid I would like to see that happen [01:43] scientes Enlightenment gets flack, but it runs fast [01:43] scientes while gtk3 uses more ram than gtk2 [01:43] MinceR eh [01:43] MinceR when i tried it (DR16 or so) it was the slowest wm i could find for GNU/Linux [01:43] MinceR though it was probably still faster than BackdoorsXP [01:43] DaemonFC[m] "This is PolarisOS. It's a cancelled edition of Windows Core OS that was designed for Desktops and Laptops. This image is early enough to not include much more than the OS itself. It comes with no shell, and won't load any." [01:43] psydroid and gtk4? [01:43] XRevan86 I mean that Windows need to keep updating to consistently make any device a low performance device. [01:43] MinceR ooh, cancelled! [01:44] DaemonFC[m] Well, they're still working on Core. [01:44] scientes XRevan86, what do you mean by updateing? Windows drops 95% of hardware when they release a new version [01:44] MinceR someone needs to find some dirt on Core so that, too, can be cancelled [01:44] psydroid best update ever [01:45] scientes and they don't have a choice [01:45] scientes because they don't own the drivers [01:45] scientes (the drivers own them) [01:45] XRevan86 scientes: I mean adding stuff like menu lag [01:45] psydroid drop all the old stuff and get with the new stuff [01:45] scientes XRevan86, int click() {usleep(1);} [01:45] psydroid instant profit for everyone involved [01:47] MinceR you can just connect them to a public network [01:47] MinceR and they'll amass enough malware to fill the RAM and swap all the time [01:47] MinceR boom, menu lag [01:47] psydroid scientes, and this also means they will never have wide support for devices like linux does [01:48] XRevan86 scientes: https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2019/09/08/taskbar-latency-and-kernel-calls/ something like that [01:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-randomascii.wordpress.com | Taskbar Latency and Kernel Calls | Random ASCII tech blog of Bruce Dawson [01:48] DaemonFC[m] The Democrats promised that if both Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock are elected, they will immediately pass another Coronavirus stimulus bill. [01:48] DaemonFC[m] $4,000 more in the bank. Trump in the pen..... Life is good. [01:48] psydroid the best way to kill Windows is to impose multiple industry-wide instruction set switches [01:48] XRevan86 it's an oldie, I just loved it [01:48] DaemonFC[m] He could use some time in the penitentiary. He isn't a very penitent fellow. Maybe this will help. [01:48] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Thoughts? [01:48] DaemonFC[m] And prayers? [01:49] scientes MinceR, I have definitely experienced that [01:49] DaemonFC[m] The governor of Georgia has no power to pardon Trump for the crimes he committed while being recorded the other day on the phone. [01:49] MinceR psydroid: how do we do that? [01:49] scientes when connecting the DSL model immediately causes the windows computer to drag to a crawl [01:50] DaemonFC[m] Because in Georgia, that goes out to a pardon board that decides, on a majority vote, whether to grant him one. [01:50] DaemonFC[m] And if the board rejects it or deadlocks, he remains open to prosecution. [01:50] DaemonFC[m] And we know that Governor Cuomo of New York isn't going to pardon him. [01:50] psydroid MinceR, by not buying what the vendors [01:51] MinceR and what would we buy then? [01:51] psydroid try to sell to us [01:51] scientes XRevan86, did you notice that the "next post" button reads " [01:51] scientes We Need a Carbon Tax, Now, That Goes Up Over Time " [01:51] scientes O(n^2) in CreateProcess [01:51] MinceR psydroid: besides, we're not the majority of the buyers, nor do we control the majority of the money on the market [01:56] psydroid MinceR, so you're saying nothing really matters and people will keep buying mostly Microsoft, Apple and Google devices, because those are the ones being sold and people are made tovbelieve they need them [01:56] psydroid I agree with that, but there can be a fourth, but decidedly niche category of devices that we can control to a larger extent [01:57] MinceR i'm saying our situation is pretty grim [01:57] psydroid Will it be sustainable, though? [01:57] MinceR maybe we can solve it if we can somehow manufacture chips and PCBs at home [01:57] MinceR which doesn't seem easy [01:57] MinceR i'm hoping 3d printing will solve this [01:58] psydroid That was my idea I wrote to a private mailing list several months ago, but I got only a few responses ● Jan 06 [02:03] psydroid Maybe we need to find people with similar interest in computational autonomy [02:07] psydroid I mean full software and hardware freedom [02:08] Ariadne DaemonFC[m]: how much will the $4000 cost in the long run tho [02:13] *mcole (~sdfsidjf@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights [02:21] DaemonFC[m] Who cares? [02:21] DaemonFC[m] I'm getting my passport and getting the FUCK out of here anyway if they deny Mandy's case. [02:21] DaemonFC[m] I'll go live with him. I'm sure nobody in the Philippines cares how long I'm there on a tourist visa. [02:26] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [02:28] DaemonFC[m] I don't know what I'd be walking into there and I really don't care. [02:37] *mcole has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:57] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-170-145.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Jan 06 [03:06] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Trump banned Americans from paying for WPS Office with an executive order. [03:33] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Call-out culture is toxic, disgusting, and vile!) ● Jan 06 [04:25] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:28] *abarr has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:42] Ariadne ?? [04:42] Ariadne wtf is WPS Office [04:43] Ariadne amazing ● Jan 06 [05:07] *abarr (~aplsm@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights [05:38] DaemonFC[m] Kingsoft. A Chinese company. [05:42] *mcole (~sdfsidjf@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights [05:56] DaemonFC[m] WPS Office is in the Windows Store. [05:57] DaemonFC[m] If Trump's ban goes into effect, Microsoft can use the store to remove software you purchased and use. ● Jan 06 [06:05] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:06] scientes Ariadne, Slavery as a Service [06:18] schestowitz Software substitute [06:18] schestowitz You can't say "slavery" now [06:18] schestowitz now even the newFSF will say it [06:19] schestowitz it's a racist word apparently [06:19] schestowitz as if all slavery is race-based [06:26] scientes schestowitz, the distinction between servant and slave is also a difficult one to most people [06:26] schestowitz servant can be spun as racist also [06:27] schestowitz in many contexts the servants would be something like Portuguese [06:27] schestowitz in europe [06:27] schestowitz they want those low-paying jobs [06:27] Ariadne a servant is somebody i meet on fetlife [06:27] scientes in many contexts the servants would be something like Portuguese [06:28] schestowitz society should have no servant.... people should all cook their own meals and refill their beer pint glasses [06:28] scientes schestowitz, When I was on the Tap Portugal flight from San Francisco to Lisboa the flight attendants spoke Portuguese to the Angolans [06:28] Ariadne in general i agree but if someone wants to get off to being my servant its a win win [06:28] schestowitz former colony [06:28] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Do you suppose this really has anything to do with China, or just an easy way to kill a Microsoft Office competitor? [06:28] scientes colonial relationships are closely related to serfdom [06:29] Ariadne thats more a game than an actual contract of servitude though [06:29] DaemonFC[m] Because as far as I can tell, they have a competitive office suite program and Trump might be using this tough on China crap to do them a favor on the way out. [06:29] scientes Ariadne, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuyVJYP7GJk [06:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sofia Carson - Love Is The Name (Official Music Video) - YouTube [06:29] DaemonFC[m] Probably the first thing that people do when they see what Microsoft Office will cost is get sticker shock. [06:30] DaemonFC[m] There's no version hidden in the cost of the computer, like with Windows. Just some 30 day trialware that sticks its hand out and wants $300 for the desktop program or $70 a year for Clown. [06:30] Ariadne people pay for office suites still? [06:30] DaemonFC[m] Yes. [06:30] Ariadne i just use libreoffice man [06:30] DaemonFC[m] My attorney was on the phone cursing about how much she hates Microsoft 365. [06:31] Ariadne well thats also like email hosting and shit right? [06:31] DaemonFC[m] I told her they should really call it Microsoft 350 to anticipate how much downtime it seems to have each year. [06:31] DaemonFC[m] 15 days worth, guaranteed. [06:31] scientes thats more a game than an actual contract of servitude though [06:31] scientes What do you mean? [06:31] Ariadne hahaha [06:31] DaemonFC[m] Like, how much productivity is this thing costing the economy? [06:31] Ariadne right i forgot this is a channel full of nerds [06:32] DaemonFC[m] I do use LibreOffice. [06:32] scientes Ariadne, but you are the nerd in that question [06:32] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft says just do Clown and it'll be their problem to maintain it. [06:32] Ariadne so basically there is this stuff called BDSM [06:32] Ariadne its like free software except sex [06:32] DaemonFC[m] But then you lose your internet connection or their server crashes. [06:33] Ariadne and so some aspect of BSDM you get these people who like to role play as servants [06:33] Ariadne and that was the joke i was making [06:34] schestowitz They cannot be part of Drupal [06:34] schestowitz because Drupal is too "woke" [06:34] Ariadne errrr i mean BDSM [06:34] Ariadne wow did i call it BSDM hahahaha [06:34] schestowitz BSD [06:35] schestowitz I am careful not to write BSD as BDS [06:35] schestowitz BDS Masochism [06:35] *scientes puts on his robe a wizard hat. [06:35] scientes schestowitz, it was forked, it is FreeLSD now [06:35] Ariadne anyway [06:36] Ariadne that stuff seems to largely be driven by sock puppets [06:37] Ariadne i do think it is better to use self explaining terminology though [06:37] Ariadne primary/replicant is more explanatory when it comes to databases for example [06:38] Ariadne especially for non native speakers of english [06:39] Ariadne with that said i know a ton of PoC working in tech and even free software and theyre more concerned about their work not being gaining the same attention as white peoples work [06:39] kingoffrance replicant you say? [06:40] Ariadne computing im sorry to say due to corporate influence is largely [06:40] Ariadne biased towards white men [06:40] *kingoffrance leaves a paper mache unicorn [06:40] Ariadne its just what it is [06:40] Ariadne changing that is far more important than fixing legacy instances where suboptimal terminology is used [06:42] Ariadne i think really that changing terminology retroactively is largely a fluff action intended to make people look like they are solving problems when in reality they are maintaining the status quo [06:42] Ariadne it is easier for say, Microsoft, to do a find and replace in their documentation than it is for them to change their PR practices to give more opportunities to underrepresented groups [06:43] Ariadne so they go on about master/slave [06:43] Ariadne its a distraction, not the actual work that needs to be done [06:45] schestowitz [06:35] schestowitz, it was forked, it is FreeLSD now [06:45] schestowitz Does Mr. Jobs know? [06:45] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/10/23/steve-jobs-exposed/ [06:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Steve Jobs and His War on Linux, LSD Addiction, and Theft of Credit for UNIX, Java, Xerox Inventions | Techrights [06:45] schestowitz Jobs said he's shamless about stealkin [06:45] scientes schestowitz, don't have a witty response to that now [06:46] schestowitz FreeLSD can stop the stealing part [06:46] schestowitz [06:40] biased towards white men [06:46] schestowitz so was agriculture [06:47] schestowitz or modern forms of it [06:47] Ariadne society has biases in many areas [06:47] schestowitz [06:43] its a distraction, not the actual work that needs to be done [06:47] schestowitz seems more and more like this, over time [06:47] schestowitz given the contexts in which they bring this uo [06:47] schestowitz *up [06:48] schestowitz the latest I saw was, they made a whole consortium [06:48] schestowitz when there was major tech scandals about much more than words [06:48] schestowitz and they want to be seen as 'ethical" [06:48] Ariadne software freedom is inherently a social justice issue, as such we should not only spread and amplify software freedom but the opportunities to participate for all stakeholders [06:48] schestowitz with blog posts and rename initiatives [06:48] schestowitz getting talented engineers to waste time by changing param names nobody sees anyway, then testing again [06:48] schestowitz look at Intel leaks [06:49] schestowitz they get people to pass around WORD/OOXML files [06:49] schestowitz instead of just doing code [06:49] schestowitz even for "added a comma" [06:54] Ariadne while that is unfortunate, focusing on the bad working conditions at intel is only part of the problem. we need to also focus on drafting new talent [06:58] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [06:58] schestowitz tbh, I wory about armvidia [06:58] schestowitz who knows what they might do [06:58] schestowitz and British and Japanese company I trusted them more [06:58] schestowitz those countries cooperate on back doors [06:58] schestowitz but in US it's "standards practice" ● Jan 06 [07:18] schestowitz LOL [07:18] schestowitz " I still enjoy working with Windows and I think that WSL2 is the big thing we asked for. " [07:19] schestowitz Who is "WE"? [07:19] schestowitz https://fedtti.medium.com/macbook-pro-macos-high-sierra-1d7102e43e33 [07:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedtti.medium.com | How I fixed a MacBook Pro from 2012 | Medium [07:19] schestowitz people who never heard of virtualbox? [07:19] schestowitz He uses visual studio [07:19] schestowitz so basically phonies who want fake 'ubuntu' [07:19] schestowitz to use Microsoft proprietary stuff [07:19] schestowitz and Macs [07:19] schestowitz we fail to send the message about software freedom [07:28] schestowitz "Plus Microsoft's path to dominating the Linux desktop becomes clear." [07:28] schestowitz ? [07:28] schestowitz https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/143842/tumbling-into-the-new-year-linux-unplugged-387/ [07:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Tumbling Into the New Year! | LINUX Unplugged 387 | Jupiter Broadcasting [07:32] Ariadne armvidia is very concerning yes [07:32] Ariadne but could be a huge win for riscv [07:35] schestowitz https://stop.zona-m.net/2020/12/what-went-wrong-with-software-for-prisons/ [07:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | What went wrong with software for prisons | Stop at Zona-M [07:35] schestowitz Microsoft... [07:43] schestowitz Yandex/?? https://www.fosslinux.com/44615/the-best-secure-private-email-services-for-privacy.htm [07:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | The 10 Best Secure Private Email Services for Privacy | FOSS Linux [07:43] schestowitz "You do not need to worry about unwarranted exposure to fraud and spam. Moreover, there is some aspect of flexibility in managing your Yandex accounts. One account can be used to control and manage the many mailboxes and services under this platform. You can get an in-person introduction to Yandex by visiting its official site." [07:43] schestowitz That's not privacy [07:43] schestowitz weird plug [07:48] schestowitz https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/toolchain-for-lop-130-3/ [07:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | IBM Advance Toolchain for Linux on Power 13.0-3 released! IBM Developer ● Jan 06 [08:15] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-170-145.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:41] schestowitz my connection became super-low again [08:41] schestowitz they did not resolve the issue [08:42] schestowitz last night was a temporary fluke, not a fix [08:42] schestowitz will need to escalate this today [08:53] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:55] *olban (~olban@213.152.162.154) has joined #techrights ● Jan 06 [09:01] schestowitz vZS1: A friend and relative of ours who's a nurse says she knows someone who get 'the' vaccine and then got sick with #covid19 (we generally still lack public statistical data on those things). No, as a nurse she still refuses to get the jab. Many are the same. [09:02] schestowitz they use them for testing [09:02] schestowitz making it seem like front liners get a gift [09:02] schestowitz by becoming their first test set [09:26] vZS1 There's a thing called checksums. Works great for making sure you have the right file. You could even use PGP signatures. [09:26] vZS1 All this secure boot is nonsense [09:28] vZS1 It's like TLS. Take control away from the user with fake security [09:29] vZS1 You'll end up with the same monopoly of trust which will be abused in every way they can think of [09:29] vZS1 Fundamentally the same problem [09:31] vZS1 You'll end up with "trusted" authorities that dictate what you can and cannot boot [09:33] vZS1 It's also incredibly rigid. Doing data verification in userspace means you can use up-to-date security software. [09:33] vZS1 Even the best security software has bugs and is constantly updated. [09:33] schestowitz yeah [09:33] schestowitz that's why I mentioned you in relation to this [09:35] vZS1 I know because I work on one of the most widely used ones. Won't mention due to privacy but schestowitz can vouch for me there. [09:35] vZS1 It has an endless stream of bugs that always needs patching [09:35] vZS1 Hard enough to do it when it's GPL [09:38] vZS1 Close down the development and you end up with ineffective security. It's best done with continuous auditing from every source possible. Mathematicians to end users. [09:42] schestowitz https://variety.com/2021/tv/global/mr-bean-rowan-atkinson-cancel-culture-1234878676/ [09:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Mr. Bean' Actor Rowan Atkinson on Cancel Culture, New Animated Film - Variety [09:45] vZS1 Most people using this stuff have some illusion that they're perfect written by infallible people. But the truth isn't great for marketing. [09:46] schestowitz BT keeps lying to me [09:47] schestowitz my connection is slow again [09:47] schestowitz unlike last night [09:47] schestowitz so we know it has the capacity for speed [09:47] schestowitz but they traffic-shape [09:47] schestowitz and then they blame "quipment" [09:47] schestowitz and "Automatic" [09:47] schestowitz we "can't change that" [09:47] schestowitz I say, "it is YOUR equipment" [09:47] schestowitz surely they can, if there's will, configure it [09:47] Ariadne i know somebody who has AAISP and is quite happy with it [09:48] schestowitz they don't care about home overs, unless they upsell or it's a business with reckless accounting [09:48] Ariadne you can even complain to them in IRC [09:48] schestowitz that overpay and underuse [09:48] schestowitz Arnold? [09:48] schestowitz A&A? [09:48] vZS1 BT have a track record [09:49] vZS1 For being shoddy [09:49] schestowitz I wrote lots about them [09:49] schestowitz many articles [09:49] schestowitz but that was a long time ago when they gave me hell [09:49] Ariadne schestowitz: yeah [09:49] schestowitz this is the first time in half a decade [09:49] vZS1 Tell them you are escalating to ofcom if they don't comply with the regulations [09:49] schestowitz Ariadne: we've just paid you :-) [09:49] schestowitz processing can take some hours [09:50] schestowitz vZS1: yes, am going to do that [09:50] Ariadne my bank dinged [09:50] Ariadne instantaneously [09:50] schestowitz cool [09:50] schestowitz zoobab: 10mb/hour [09:50] schestowitz at most 20 [09:50] schestowitz for uploads [09:50] schestowitz a video more than a few minutes would take hours or half a day [09:51] Ariadne i investigated moving tuxmachines off mod_php, but tuxmachines is on centos6 [09:51] Ariadne so i think we should rebuild that asap [09:51] Ariadne centos6 is going to be EOL soon [09:51] Ariadne oh [09:51] Ariadne it's EOL already [09:52] vZS1 The thing with ofcom is that they've never regulated upload speed minimums until this coming March [09:52] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [09:52] vZS1 It was only downloads regulated [09:52] vZS1 Only for consuming [09:53] vZS1 But not for actually publishing [09:53] schestowitz oh, I see [09:53] vZS1 So they're impartial [09:53] vZS1 Used to be at least [09:53] vZS1 This is the first time uploads are going to be regulated in the UK [09:53] vZS1 Because people got fed up [09:54] schestowitz Ariadne: I think compatibility for mariadb and php is key when migrating [09:54] vZS1 Many people upload large videos every day and things like broadcasting on Twitch are very popular [09:54] vZS1 So they couldn't get away with it for long [09:54] schestowitz as the patched up drupal might not cope with "too news" [09:54] schestowitz "too new" [09:55] vZS1 People started to write damning reviews and talk about how bad upload speeds are. Asymmetric; because downloads are so much faster on the same line. [09:56] schestowitz in my case like 1:100 [09:56] schestowitz right now I could download about 100mb at the same time I upload 1 [09:56] schestowitz last night's improved (temporarily) speed suggests throttling [09:56] schestowitz and... [09:56] schestowitz can't even make phonecalls [09:57] schestowitz can hear [09:57] schestowitz but cannot be heard [09:57] schestowitz choppy and loggy [09:57] schestowitz *laggy [09:57] Ariadne that sounds really bad, what if you have to call 112 [09:59] Ariadne or i guess it's 999 in UK [09:59] schestowitz landline works ok [09:59] schestowitz for all I can tell ● Jan 06 [10:00] schestowitz just used it moments ago to approve a payment [10:00] schestowitz and this morning wife used it cause voip failed [10:00] schestowitz cannot be heard, or barely [10:00] schestowitz we have to use landline as fallback now [10:00] schestowitz because of BT [10:00] vZS1 The big broadband providers are bleeding customers [10:01] schestowitz I thought, [10:01] schestowitz later when they phone me... [10:01] vZS1 Because they were resting on their laurels [10:01] schestowitz I will tell them I am filing a complaint with ofcom [10:01] schestowitz even if I do not [10:01] schestowitz it ought to rush them a bit [10:01] schestowitz 1.5 hours now... to upload my new 20mb video [10:01] *mcole has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [10:01] schestowitz not done yet [10:02] schestowitz I'd make a longer video if I had a working connection [10:05] schestowitz it's done now http://techrights.org/2021/01/06/linus-instead-of-linux/ [10:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gossip Mill as News: The Mainstream Media Covers Linus Instead of Linux | Techrights [10:07] schestowitz x https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/next-gen-technologies/bill-gates-hails-indias-leadership-in-scientific-innovation-vaccine-manufacturing/80115719 [10:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Bill Gates: Bill Gates hails India's leadership in scientific innovation, vaccine manufacturing, IT News, ET CIO [10:07] schestowitz # bill sez [10:07] schestowitz sign [10:07] schestowitz corrupted media [10:07] schestowitz not even news [10:07] schestowitz just gates spam/ads [10:07] schestowitz from the usual sources [10:07] schestowitz and people get all cynical about news sites [10:08] schestowitz Bill says [10:08] schestowitz Bill claims [10:08] schestowitz he hails his profiteering venture [10:08] schestowitz after using his fake 'charity' to bribe Modi [10:08] schestowitz basically boosta fascist [10:08] schestowitz to help himself become richer [10:10] schestowitz Microsoft is googlebombing again [10:10] schestowitz x https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2021/01/05/maui.aspx [10:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-visualstudiomagazine.com | MAUI in .NET 6: Xamarin.Forms Does Desktop, but Not Linux or VS Code -- Visual Studio Magazine [10:10] schestowitz MAUI is a KDE thing [10:10] schestowitz they spam the word/term [10:10] schestowitz in technical context [10:10] schestowitz the linux devs complained [10:10] schestowitz they're in mexico [10:10] schestowitz man united fans btw [10:10] schestowitz and they liked how I mentioned it last night [10:13] schestowitz more spam [10:13] schestowitz x https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/5/22214786/dell-monitor-microsoft-teams-button-features-specs-price-release-date [10:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Dells new monitors have a dedicated Microsoft Teams button - The Verge [10:13] schestowitz The Verge [10:13] schestowitz corrupted by bGates [10:13] schestowitz who removed from there his critics [10:13] schestowitz and became "Guest Editor" [10:13] schestowitz immense corruption of the media [10:21] vZS1 Modhi is a sectarian leader. Sikhs and Muslims are persecuted and he benefits from it politically. [10:22] vZS1 He gives the big monopolies special treatment and they destroy competition. [10:22] vZS1 Basically rob public funds to "host" events for them as well [10:23] schestowitz they wage a war on cash [10:23] schestowitz and give monopolies to the facilitators of the fascism, inc. Gates [10:23] schestowitz 'foundation' [10:23] schestowitz whose sole foundation is greed and lies [10:23] vZS1 Don't forget the mass experimentation on poor people under the guise of "charity" [10:23] schestowitz same as American fascism http://techrights.org/2020/10/25/donald-trump-and-bill-gates/ [10:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Donald Trump Helped Bill Gates Increase His Wealth by More Than 50%, Especially During the Pandemic | Techrights [10:24] schestowitz bow down to the oligarchs [10:24] schestowitz the job creators [10:24] schestowitz whose jobs are created in remote islands... an office one 1 or 2 people [10:24] schestowitz to 'manage' their account in Cayman Island or something [10:24] schestowitz or Reno in Microsoft's case [10:24] schestowitz [10:23] Don't forget the mass experimentation on poor people under the guise of "charity" [10:24] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2014/10/21/bill-gates-india/ [10:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | India May be Taking Bill Gates to Court for Misusing His So-called Charity to Conduct Clinical Trials Without Consent on Behalf of Companies He Invests in | Techrights [10:24] schestowitz of course [10:24] schestowitz flatter India [10:25] schestowitz and its corrupt leadership [10:25] schestowitz then get more subjects who cannot sue [10:25] schestowitz for the more risky experiments [10:25] vZS1 They're mostly uneducated [10:25] vZS1 So they can't fight for their rights [10:25] schestowitz e.g. third trimester abortions http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/philanthropic-racism/ [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Philanthropic Racism (Clinical Trials/Experimentation on Live Subjects and Ethnic Cleaning as Public Good) | Techrights [10:25] schestowitz banned by FDA [10:26] schestowitz vZS1: nor can they afford [10:26] schestowitz and the courts in their country are cheaper and easier to buy off [10:26] schestowitz in china they arrest public interest lawyers [10:26] vZS1 I've lived through this kind of corruption. It's a nightmare [10:26] schestowitz under the guise that they're agents [10:26] schestowitz Russia went down the same route [10:27] schestowitz if "embarrassing", then "agent" [10:27] schestowitz like people who look into pollution in Chinese rivers [10:27] schestowitz or benzene [10:27] schestowitz working out, bbl [10:28] vZS1 I'm heading off for now. Will probably be back in the evening [10:30] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:30] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [10:49] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:50] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Jan 06 [11:01] schestowitz ok, vallor [11:01] schestowitz vZS1 I mean [11:21] *psydroid has quit (Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM) [11:21] *DaemonFC[m] has quit (Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM) [11:21] *BifrostBot[m] has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) [11:21] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [11:22] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [11:28] *psydroid (psydroidma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hrlxhftnhbztwdnq) has joined #techrights [11:43] *BifrostBot[m] (bifrostmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nbkwawdunnnxakav) has joined #techrights [11:43] *DaemonFC[m] (daemonfcma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-dtdorvhlnyrxdgdg) has joined #techrights [11:50] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [11:57] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Jan 06 [12:04] *olban has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:06] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Jan 06 [13:04] *Disconnected (Network is unreachable). [13:04] *Now talking on #techrights [13:04] *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell [13:04] *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 [13:05] *libertybox (~schestowi@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:05] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:06] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:36] *tdemin (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights [13:55] schestowitz__ Just spent nearly two hours battling with greedy BT over the phone; they're making it almost impossible to cancel an account after repeatedly failing their customers. So awful. Will do an article about it. ● Jan 06 [14:12] *inky has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [14:20] schestowitz__ I will post a link when ready [14:20] schestowitz__ not for techrights but my personal blog [14:20] *olban (~olban@213.152.161.85) has joined #techrights [14:30] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [14:31] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [14:56] *olban has quit (Quit: bye) ● Jan 06 [15:05] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:06] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [15:37] schestowitz__ schestowitz.com - Blog Archive - Coronavirus May Have Caused a Nationwide or Regional Congestion Crisis for BT http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/01/06/coronavirus-bt/ #schestowitz | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/06/#latest [15:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Coronavirus May Have Caused a Nationwide or Regional Congestion Crisis for BT [15:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:41] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.118) has joined #techrights [15:41] CrystalMath BT? [15:44] schestowitz__ British Telecom [15:44] schestowitz__ the monopoly [15:46] *abarr has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) ● Jan 06 [16:10] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:15] psydroid here the (former) telecom monopoly is going to invest more in FTTH, because it has been losing lots of customers over the years [16:21] schestowitz__ aha [16:21] schestowitz__ dutch? [16:21] schestowitz__ irish? [16:33] psydroid dutch [16:33] psydroid KPN [16:33] schestowitz__ ah [16:33] schestowitz__ I know them [16:33] schestowitz__ we help them track underwater cables [16:34] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [16:42] psydroid https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/businesswire/netherlands-fixed-broadband-market-statistics-and-analyses-2019-researchandmarkets-com/ [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Netherlands Fixed Broadband Market Statistics and Analyses 2019 - ResearchAndMarkets.com - DutchNews.nl [16:43] psydroid I wonder what the numbers are like in the UK [16:57] schestowitz__ psydroid: I can show you something Intel [16:57] schestowitz__ for comment [16:57] schestowitz__ before I finalise [16:58] schestowitz__ but I am uploading the video [16:58] schestowitz__ might take 2 hours for 38 MB [16:58] schestowitz__ :( [16:58] schestowitz__ no webcam today, it makes the videos heavy (motion flux) [16:59] psydroid schestowitz__: I can look at it now ● Jan 06 [17:05] schestowitz__ ok, wait [17:05] schestowitz__ but check fast... to avoid typos being seen by many [17:06] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/01/06/technical-incompetence-at-intel/ [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks Part VI: A Deeper Dive Into the Technical Incompetence at Intel | Techrights [17:07] schestowitz__ psydroid: give me personal comments if you want them added [17:07] schestowitz__ it helps to hear more voice [17:07] schestowitz__ the video is not yet complete, still uploading [17:10] schestowitz__ psydroid: still there? maybe MinceR and DaemonFC[m] can also comment? [17:11] MinceR i'm here [17:11] psydroid schestowitz__: I am still here and I just read the article and was thinking a bit about places and situations where I have come across this behaviour [17:11] schestowitz__ thanks [17:11] schestowitz__ the video is mostly uploaded now, about 60% [17:11] schestowitz__ I think that's enough to get the gist of it, even if not complete [17:12] MinceR i'll read the article [17:12] psydroid I think the closest hint at Intel's double agenda is the fact that they decided to launch a Lakefield processor and platform that explicitly targets Windows, as if the whole GNU/Linux revolution over the past 3 decades hasn't happened at all [17:13] MinceR maybe different suits at intel have different agendas [17:13] psydroid we discussed this a few months ago, but for me it was a sign that they don't actually care or it was a confirmation of their renewed interest in promoting Windows [17:14] MinceR or maybe the redmond mafia twists their arm from time to time [17:16] MinceR wikipedia says this InVision is a "web-based prototyping tool" [17:16] MinceR so that screenshot could be a screenshot of a mockup of a website [17:17] MinceR it is highly likely that that screenshot was made on Backdoors10, but that doesn't really say much about what the prototype is being developed on [17:17] psydroid as far as compilers and support for FGPAs are concerned I have Quartus installed and could use it for creating circuits, but maybe there are some other components that are still Windows-only [17:17] MinceR it could be that different people use different platforms at intel, which i've seen at other corporations as well [17:18] schestowitz__ MinceR: you will see context for that later [17:18] MinceR :) [17:18] psydroid I'm watching the video now [17:18] schestowitz__ thanks, adding comments [17:18] schestowitz__ still time to insert more [17:19] schestowitz__ you may get almost the whole video if you refesh the page before playing it [17:20] schestowitz__ depends on which browser and when it caches the file [17:20] MinceR maybe intel management doesn't know what they want -- try to survive microsloth or tie their destiny to microshit and go wherever microshit goes [17:20] *schestowitz__ has just added MinceR and psydroid comments to http://techrights.org/2021/01/06/technical-incompetence-at-intel/ [17:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks Part VI: A Deeper Dive Into the Technical Incompetence at Intel | Techrights [17:20] schestowitz__ MinceR: the latter [17:20] schestowitz__ partnership [17:20] MinceR some of the stuff they did doesn't seem to fit that well into that [17:21] schestowitz__ Imagine some people tell Intel to partner with Microsoft on the very same thing Microsoft is attacking, Linux [17:21] MinceR then again, maybe they believe that they need to throw us a few bones temporarily before locking us into microshit world again [17:21] MinceR or maybe they're doing a similar kind of misdirection as the redmond mafia, just less ad-based [17:21] psydroid MinceR is right on the money and this is what has disappointed me for a long time [17:22] psydroid it reeks of Stockholm Syndrome [17:22] psydroid really not much different from Microsoft tactics [17:22] schestowitz__ yeah [17:22] schestowitz__ also factions and cliques [17:22] schestowitz__ hence many top-level resignations [17:22] schestowitz__ the cult it intruding [17:22] schestowitz__ *is [17:24] psydroid it cuts off for me at 6:22, so I'll have to wait a bit for the rest of the video to be uploaded [17:24] schestowitz__ refresh page [17:25] schestowitz__ you can then resume where you left off [17:25] schestowitz__ that's how falkon and FF ESR are on my setup [17:25] schestowitz__ my connection is bad [17:25] schestowitz__ maybe I'll outsource it to ipfs or something, but even then I'd need to wait for others like vZS1 to pin it [17:26] schestowitz__ otherwise I only contribute to more slowness on my home network [17:26] schestowitz__ TR serves 5MB/sec, on average, over past 5 days [17:26] psydroid I'm using Falkon too, it continued from there after opening the page in another tab [17:26] MinceR the video is more interesting than that screenshot :) [17:27] schestowitz__ the screenshots are not mine, but I edited them [17:27] schestowitz__ to hide some staff and stuff [17:27] MinceR these wrong command lines are funny [17:28] schestowitz__ Intel is not intelligent [17:28] schestowitz__ it's INTELLIGENCE [17:28] MinceR :> [17:28] schestowitz__ IntOp [17:28] schestowitz__ there are funnier examples to come [17:28] schestowitz__ like the "folder" things [17:28] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/linux-as-windows/ [17:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks Part III: Intel Treats Linux Like Linux is Just Microsoft Windows | Techrights [17:29] schestowitz__ LINUX IS COOL! YOU CAN THE GITHUBS AND THE INTERNETS AND VS CODE AND STUFF! YAY, I'm also a minority group, hire me pls, will work for food [17:29] MinceR lol [17:30] MinceR *will be diverse for food [17:30] schestowitz__ then the geeks run away [17:30] schestowitz__ and you have defective chips with code on MS SHITHUB [17:32] psydroid what also becomes clear from the video is that Intel will always be in the Microsoft camp with one foot as well as keep their own employees and developers developing for their processors in that same camp, because there is always a way out (intentionally or not) [17:34] psydroid and what is worse this prevents a lot of GNU/Linux developers from ever looking beyond Intel, so it's a bit like a WSL strategy to keep developers in the fold [17:34] schestowitz__ until they see leaks [17:34] schestowitz__ and move on [17:35] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/12fceedf68dd3655.jpg [17:39] schestowitz__ ha [17:39] schestowitz__ my connection die [17:39] schestowitz__ come over [17:39] schestowitz__ all 30 of you [17:40] schestowitz__ *connection DIED [17:47] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.111) has joined #techrights [17:48] psydroid it's funny to talk about it like this, but my cousin got married about a month ago [17:48] psydroid and almost all people who were present there got covid [17:48] psydroid about 30 of them [17:49] schestowitz__ :-) [17:49] schestowitz__ congrats [17:49] schestowitz__ on the coronation [17:49] schestowitz__ wedding [17:49] MinceR lol [17:50] schestowitz__ afaik, neither of us has had it [17:50] schestowitz__ we would likely show at least some mild symptoms [17:51] schestowitz__ like nasal, lack of taste, sore throat? [17:51] psydroid I don't think I've had it either, as I haven't displayed any of the symptoms [17:51] psydroid but I've been extremely careful throughout all this time [17:52] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:53] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [17:55] schestowitz__ we still wash everything we buy [17:55] schestowitz__ foods [17:55] schestowitz__ extensively [17:56] schestowitz__ dry non-edible items that don't need fridge are left aside for days to be quarantined before handled [17:57] schestowitz__ not everyone has the luxury of isolation because shares council housing (US: the projects) rely on the recklessness or carefulness of their co-tenants and who they meet/bring in [17:57] schestowitz__ *shared [17:59] schestowitz__ some people living in housing without any 'living space' and share lavatory facilities or showers with people who live in nearby units [17:59] schestowitz__ COVID <3 poverty [17:59] DaemonFC[m] I installed Zoom to have a meeting with the attorney. ● Jan 06 [18:00] DaemonFC[m] She says we have a decent shot at getting past the interview. [18:00] schestowitz__ yuck [18:00] schestowitz__ I mean zoom [18:00] schestowitz__ not what she said [18:00] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: yeah, you will be fine [18:00] schestowitz__ think like it, too [18:00] schestowitz__ if you project confidence, it'll help [18:00] schestowitz__ they look for people who will give up and consent to rejection [18:01] schestowitz__ I'm sure your mon, DaemonFC[m], will pray... for the immigration enforcement [18:01] schestowitz__ but she will lose like her political candidate of choice did [18:02] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: The Republicans lost both Senate seats in Georgia last night too. [18:05] schestowitz__ classy [18:05] schestowitz__ when black people in the south realise GOP is just three silent Ks [18:06] schestowitz__ voter turnout surges [18:06] DaemonFC[m] Loeffler says she'll fight to make sure "only the legal votes are counted". [18:06] schestowitz__ https://truthout.org/articles/aoc-omar-want-trump-impeached-over-his-call-to-change-georgia-election-results/ [18:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | AOC, Omar Want Trump Impeached Over His Call to Change Georgia Election Results [18:06] DaemonFC[m] Which worked out great for Trump. She can't even request a recount because he beat her by almost double the margin allowed. [18:06] schestowitz__ https://truthout.org/articles/early-georgia-voting-data-shows-unprecedented-black-voter-turnout/ [18:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Early Georgia Voting Data Shows Unprecedented Black Voter Turnout [18:06] schestowitz__ https://truthout.org/articles/kelly-loeffler-officially-becomes-a-billionaire-days-before-georgia-runoff/ [18:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Kelly Loeffler Officially Became a Billionaire Days Before Georgia Runoff [18:06] schestowitz__ https://www.democracynow.org/2021/1/5/greg_palast_georgia [18:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | This Is Voter Suppression: 198,000 Georgia Residents Were Illegally Purged from Voter Rolls | Democracy Now! [18:07] schestowitz__ the "great replacement"... of nazis by non-nazis [18:08] schestowitz__ get your mug now [18:08] schestowitz__ "fascists' tears" [18:20] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: Fox News said if the Democrats won the Senate seats in Georgia, the stock market would crash, said some "strategist". [18:20] DaemonFC[m] It's up today. [18:39] *swaggboi has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:42] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [18:43] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: Al Bundy: "I'm sorry I was late. I sideswiped a car outside Steve and Marcy's. But if they can afford a Mercedes they can afford to pay for it." Peg: "Well did you leave a note?" Al: "Sure I did. It said next time buy American.". ● Jan 06 [19:09] XRevan86 https://cv1.pikabu.ru/video/2021/01/06/1609950917271755370_1280x720.webm technology has gone too far [19:12] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oNgyUAEv0Q [19:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-your scientists were so preoccupied - YouTube [19:33] *schestowitz__ has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [19:33] -NickServ-schestowitz__!~schestowi@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [19:33] *schestowitz__ (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [19:34] schestowitz__ [18:20] schestowitz__: Fox News said if the Democrats won the Senate seats in Georgia, the stock market would crash, said some "strategist". [19:34] schestowitz__ Faux Noise [19:34] schestowitz__ logic to it? None. [19:34] schestowitz__ As if GOP "good for the economy"... or something [19:35] schestowitz__ Next they will say "the extreme left" or "COMMIES" stole the election [19:35] schestowitz__ it's always some sort of Marxist ploy when the Nazi Party loses [19:41] *tdemin has quit (Quit: leaving) [19:48] *mugli (b2a4d86d@178-164-216-109.pool.digikabel.hu) has joined #techrights [19:48] mugli Greetings [19:48] mugli https would be nice on the techrights.org domain. [19:48] schestowitz__ h [19:48] schestowitz__ hi [19:49] mugli please insert a greetings before that ^_^ [19:49] schestowitz__ yes, we know [19:49] schestowitz__ need to change OS for that [19:49] mugli apprecieted [19:49] mugli been there done that [19:49] mugli I feel you [19:49] mugli nice articles by the way [19:49] mugli http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/freesw-and-human-rights/ [19:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Connecting Software Freedom and Human Rights | Techrights [19:49] mugli Software right are human rights. IMHO [19:49] mugli Have a nice day. [19:51] schestowitz__ thanks [19:51] *mugli has quit (Remote host closed the connection) ● Jan 06 [20:17] *tdemin (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights [20:41] *AVRS (~AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS) has joined #techrights [20:42] DaemonFC[m] The cops have gained the upper hand. [20:42] DaemonFC[m] They're shooting rubber bullets at the Trump supporters, who are breaking the windows to jump out of the building. [20:42] schestowitz__ hi, AVRS, wb [20:42] DaemonFC[m] Jesus... [20:42] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: Are you seeing this? [20:42] schestowitz__ no [20:42] schestowitz__ what is it? [20:43] schestowitz__ sounds serious [20:43] schestowitz__ "Trump supporter" [20:43] AVRS hi [20:43] schestowitz__ Not a positive term [20:43] DaemonFC[m] They stormed the House and Senate buildings and briefly occupied them, chasing Congress out while they were counting the electoral votes. [20:43] schestowitz__ emember "Brownshirts"? [20:43] schestowitz__ I'm thinking redhats [20:43] DaemonFC[m] Trump refused to activate the National Guard. [20:43] schestowitz__ people with red hats [20:44] DaemonFC[m] He left the DC Metro and Capitol Police to deal with them with their riot gear. [20:44] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: good luck with your democracy LOL [20:44] DaemonFC[m] Virtually all Republicans in Congress are issuing statements condemning Trump for this. [20:44] DaemonFC[m] Like they don't want to be held responsible for their part, you know. [20:44] schestowitz__ face-saving [20:45] schestowitz__ they say what happened in Georgia [20:45] DaemonFC[m] Because order will be restored and they're hoping to get out of this without being labeled a criminal organization. [20:45] schestowitz__ when people associate GOP with "new KKK" [20:45] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [20:45] schestowitz__ *they see [20:46] schestowitz__ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19811965 [20:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: GOP is the new KKK. #senate #congress #fascism #trump #FARright [20:46] DaemonFC[m] Peaceful protest is the right of every American but this attack on our Capitol will not be tolerated and those involved will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. [20:46] DaemonFC[m] Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) January 6, 2021 [20:47] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: This is really embarrassing for Pence because he'll never be able to run for president being tied to THIS. [20:47] schestowitz__ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19811975 [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: No wonder #germany and #merkel befriend #china and #russia ... it's not like #trumpland has the upper hands on morality/ethics anymore... [20:48] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: they incited violence [20:48] schestowitz__ they got violence [20:48] MinceR Thunderdome, Twitler vs Pants when? [20:48] schestowitz__ now the media will pick up all the "tweets" [20:48] schestowitz__ and it won't be pretty [20:48] MinceR two men enter! one man leaves! [20:49] DaemonFC[m] "Ivanka Trump calls rioters "patriots," then deletes tweet" [20:49] MinceR lol [20:49] DaemonFC[m] 5 min ago [20:49] DaemonFC[m] White House: Trump has directed National Guard and other "federal protective services" to respond to riot [20:49] DaemonFC[m] Time for an ass kicking..... :) [20:50] schestowitz__ oh, wow [20:50] schestowitz__ arrest them [20:50] schestowitz__ the incitement [20:51] schestowitz__ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19811997 [20:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So tonight we have it; not only Donald #trump but also his family members and his party members should be arrested for #sedition and inciting violence. The world is waiting and watching. [20:52] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: Governor Northam of Virginia is sending over 200 state police officers and military police from the National Guard to DC to deal with the rioters. [20:52] CrystalMath eh, Trump insisted that they need to stay peaceful [20:52] schestowitz__ lol [20:52] schestowitz__ no, he did not [20:52] schestowitz__ he's using dog whistles [20:52] schestowitz__ I saw references to what he had said [20:52] schestowitz__ and other GOP members [20:52] schestowitz__ clearly calling for violence [20:52] schestowitz__ (if need be) [20:52] CrystalMath then why did he send the national guard? [20:52] schestowitz__ they should be arrestd [20:53] schestowitz__ it's part of a pattern now [20:53] schestowitz__ [20:43] Trump refused to activate the National Guard. [20:53] schestowitz__ WH is lying [20:53] schestowitz__ WH is Trump [20:53] schestowitz__ face-saving statement I reckon [20:53] schestowitz__ like the daughter he wants to shag deleting her tweet [20:54] schestowitz__ they realise they are under investigation [20:54] schestowitz__ and will be held accountable [20:54] schestowitz__ because daddy is going to be a citizen in two weeks [20:54] schestowitz__ he's already investigated for blackmail in Georgia [20:54] schestowitz__ the US is finished [20:54] schestowitz__ the world won't forget things like these [20:55] schestowitz__ They can throw a few more trillions to share up their tech and oil giants [20:55] schestowitz__ and then go bankrupt [20:55] schestowitz__ *shore up [20:55] CrystalMath i just want the US's interventionism to end [20:55] CrystalMath they should continue to live [20:55] MinceR if the US ends, so does its interventionism :> [20:55] schestowitz__ they can barely [20:55] schestowitz__ too much debt [20:55] schestowitz__ and brain drain [20:56] schestowitz__ China will pick up where they left off [20:56] schestowitz__ not that China is good [20:56] CrystalMath i'm hoping for Planet Russia [20:56] schestowitz__ With nukes in Guam USSA will become another collapsed Soviet Union [20:56] schestowitz__ Oligarchs, poverty, nukes [20:56] CrystalMath the third planet in the solar system - planet Russia [20:56] schestowitz__ some "dream" [20:57] schestowitz__ https://truthout.org/articles/scottish-head-of-government-says-trump-cannot-visit-during-bidens-inauguration/ [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Scotland's Head of Govt. Says Trump Cannot Visit During Biden's Inauguration [20:58] schestowitz__ The US lacks leverage [20:58] schestowitz__ except rogue nations [20:58] schestowitz__ even those might be posturing at best [20:58] schestowitz__ like ph and nk ● Jan 06 [21:00] schestowitz__ many national leaders are too polite or afraid to say what they thing [21:00] schestowitz__ it's easier to berate some small and meaningless country [21:00] schestowitz__ and they're afraid of CIA or similar working to destroy their political career if they speak out [21:00] schestowitz__ https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/01/05/putin-and-merkel-discuss-joint-production-of-coronavirus-vaccine [21:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [21:01] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:01] schestowitz__ The Germany company that works with Moderna seems not to interest her [21:01] schestowitz__ she speaks Russian [21:01] schestowitz__ and she sees it (perhaps) as "just as bad" as Orange One [21:01] schestowitz__ Germany also refused to ban Chinese firms [21:01] schestowitz__ defying the US and 5EYES directions [21:01] schestowitz__ and getting closer to china as tech partner [21:01] schestowitz__ you will see more of that across eu/europe [21:02] schestowitz__ france is re-imposing tech tax on US giants [21:02] schestowitz__ because france is looking to remove those US Army-sponsored espionage vectors [21:04] CrystalMath maybe i was wrong and the US was better [21:05] CrystalMath but nobody could stop this [21:05] CrystalMath what dog whistle were you talking about? [21:05] schestowitz__ Fostering radical ideologies and conspiracy nuts did that [21:05] schestowitz__ This is GOP [21:05] schestowitz__ All GOP [21:05] schestowitz__ for all I can see [21:05] schestowitz__ and their allies further to the right [21:07] schestowitz__ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19812115 [21:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When are the #TravelBans on US Republicans due? Across #europe .... [21:19] schestowitz__ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-55558355 [21:19] schestowitz__ stay classy, ussa [21:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Violence engulfs US Capitol as Trump supporters run riot - BBC News [21:20] schestowitz__ "It's not a protest, it's an insurrection," Biden says, asking Donald Trump to "step up", go on television and "demand an end to this siege". [21:20] schestowitz__ https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2021/1/6/2133a6a5-36d4-4858-92cf-69db83f5a0bf.jpg [21:20] schestowitz__ look at this dude [21:20] schestowitz__ wtf [21:20] schestowitz__ foaming at the mouth [21:20] schestowitz__ lol [21:20] XRevan86 Why is there always a dude like that at Trump-ist protests? [21:21] CrystalMath https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1346928882595885058 [21:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@realDonaldTrump: https://t.co/Pm2PKV0Fp3 [21:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@realDonaldTrump: https://t.co/Pm2PKV0Fp3 [21:21] CrystalMath Trump directly tells his supporters to go home [21:21] XRevan86 but still says that the election was stolen [21:22] CrystalMath maybe it was [21:22] XRevan86 "based on a rumour" [21:22] XRevan86 pretty much Trump's words [21:23] schestowitz__ I put this photo in http://techrights.org/2021/01/06/linux-mint-20-1/ [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 6/1/2021: Linux Mint 20.1 Ulyssa Released, Violent Insurrection in the United States | Techrights [21:23] schestowitz__ just because... [21:24] schestowitz__ Trump has long had a violence fetish [21:24] schestowitz__ this has been well documented [21:24] schestowitz__ even showing himself (fake) beating people up [21:24] schestowitz__ the US name is tarnished [21:24] schestowitz__ Biden won't change that [21:24] schestowitz__ he can try [21:25] XRevan86 Trump is an "ends justify the means" kind of person. [21:27] XRevan86 CrystalMath: After all this time there are still no credible specifics, either there's a giant conspiracy or Trump is full of shit. [21:27] XRevan86 Both scenarios could be true, but one is a lot more likely than the other. [21:29] schestowitz__ The world is messed up [21:29] schestowitz__ even without covid [21:29] schestowitz__ not sure what comes next tbh [21:30] schestowitz__ biden will inherit massive debt, starvation salaries (if any) and lots of right-wing nuts infesting his country, emboldened by a mafia family [21:30] schestowitz__ so glad I'm far away from there [21:37] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:49] schestowitz__ 1000+ covid-related or linked deaths here today [21:49] schestowitz__ our politicians don't incite violence, just racism [21:49] schestowitz__ and dealt so poorly with this virus [21:50] schestowitz__ now they want us to think a trial of some vaccine will save us [21:50] schestowitz__ but lock everything down, so clearly they too lack the confidence [21:58] *aindilis` (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [21:59] *aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● Jan 06 [22:04] Techrights-sec the orange one facilitated an attack on the US government [22:04] Techrights-sec the coup has turned violent [22:04] Techrights-sec https://text.npr.org/954028436 [22:04] Techrights-sec https://text.npr.org/952417689 [22:04] Techrights-sec https://text.npr.org/954063529 [22:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | U.S. Capitol In Chaos As Pro-Trump Extremists Breach Building [22:04] Techrights-sec This does not "border on sedition" it /is/ sedition [22:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | Jon Ossoff Wins Georgia Runoff, Handing Democrats Senate Control [22:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | Biden: Democracy 'Under Unprecedented Assault' As Pro-Trump Extremists Occupy Capitol [22:04] Techrights-sec It /is/ a violent, anti-democracy coup [22:15] CrystalMath one day you will realize that there CANNOT be democracy with voting by mail [22:15] CrystalMath i'm not saying this is democracy, but still, voting by mail has to be banned [22:15] CrystalMath the people who want it aren't real "democrats", they don't want democracy [22:15] CrystalMath they want a dictatorship [22:17] CrystalMath my reasoning is that as long as someone can prove they voted for someone, they can be paid or coerced to vote for someone and provide said proof [22:18] MinceR yes, banning voting by mail would have made it impossible for Bunker Bitch's fan club to start a civil war. [22:18] MinceR 06 231538 < CrystalMath> the people who want it aren't real "democrats", they don't want democracy [22:19] MinceR good thing that the people who admire and worship putin do want democracy [22:19] MinceR because that's what russia is, right? [22:20] XRevan86 It's quantum just as everything in Russian political discourse. [22:20] MinceR :> [22:25] MinceR https://explosm.net/comics/138/ [22:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net) [22:32] schestowitz__ insurrection is not democracy [22:32] schestowitz__ anyway... [22:32] schestowitz__ poor argument there ^ [22:32] CrystalMath i'm not talking at all about the event [22:32] schestowitz__ incoherent and inconsistent [22:32] CrystalMath that is happening now [22:33] schestowitz__ the bigger issue is voting machines [22:33] schestowitz__ more so with proprietary s/w [22:33] schestowitz__ even if they ran freesw it would still be problematic [22:33] CrystalMath oh, definitely [22:33] schestowitz__ paper is better [22:33] CrystalMath i agree [22:33] CrystalMath but also we need to limit people from proving they voted for X [22:34] schestowitz__ it's usually people who don't get tech [22:34] schestowitz__ who compensate for it [22:34] schestowitz__ by overusing it [22:34] schestowitz__ like "digital" payments [22:34] schestowitz__ "I'm smart" [22:34] schestowitz__ "I use tech" [22:34] schestowitz__ usually those most resistant to that are techies [22:34] MinceR "i'm almost as smart as my smart doorbell" [22:34] CrystalMath :P [22:38] schestowitz__ smut door [22:39] schestowitz__ "ooooh baby" [22:39] MinceR https://explosm.net/comics/143/ [22:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net) [22:45] schestowitz__ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezrOvXlyasQ [22:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BREAKING: Biden condemns 'extremists' and calls for end to 'insurrection' at US Capitol - YouTube [22:52] schestowitz__ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146207 [22:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Run your own Open-source Trello Alternative with Wekan | Tux Machines [22:52] schestowitz__ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdBt0Ta6028 [22:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BREAKING: US Capitol building is in lockdown as Trump supporters clash with police - YouTube [22:59] schestowitz__ https://www.infoq.com/articles/firebase-electron-native-app/ [22:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoq.com | Writing Firebase Apps on Windows, Mac, and Linux Using Electron [22:59] schestowitz__ yikes ● Jan 06 [23:01] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/lOw0Fkv.jpg [23:05] psydroid I read something about the new Outlook application also being based on Electron, so I think they have figured out that even people working internally don't actually want to use Windows APIs for applications [23:06] MinceR or they figured out that it could be even more bloated that way [23:06] MinceR and they've already ported their favorite bug to office365 anyway [23:06] schestowitz__ office 360 [23:06] schestowitz__ 5 days of reboots [23:09] *aindilis` has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:10] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [23:11] MinceR :> [23:12] MinceR when you see it, you turn 365 degrees and moonwalk away [23:15] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/69d0b78d6a3bfbc2.jpg [23:29] *Phlooke (8a3b1267@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.138.59.18.103) has joined #techrights [23:29] *Phlooke has quit (Client Quit) [23:30] *Phlooke (8a3b1267@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.138.59.18.103) has joined #techrights [23:39] *Phlooke has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [23:47] *abarr (~aplsm@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights [23:53] *Phlooke (8a3b1267@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.138.59.18.103) has joined #techrights [23:54] *Phlooke has quit (Client Quit) [23:58] *AVRS has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0)