●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, July 06, 2021 ●● ● Jul 06 [00:08] techrights-news Public Like Comment [00:08] schestowitz xorg-server 21.0.99.1 https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2021-July/060726.html #xorg #linux #freesw [00:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [ANNOUNCE] xorg-server 21.0.99.1 [00:18] techrights-news Reality is Warped When You Pay for 'Perception Management' (or: #BillGates Pays #Twitter for Propaganda) http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ #gatesfoundation #censorship #socialcontrolmedia [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights [00:20] techrights-news #GatesFoundation Critique page has just exceeded 800k views. http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique #billgates #taxevasion #corruption #monopoly [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [00:22] techrights-news LOL. Using Office to manage #geminiSpace stuff. https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006846.html [00:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Help] Page not rendering correctly [00:24] techrights-news #VzLinux 8.4 is out today https://www.virtuozzo.com/vzlinux.html you can even guess by version number that it's based on #rhel ... #gnu #linux made/built in #Switzerland [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.virtuozzo.com | VzLinux [00:25] techrights-news "This Google School of Code, I decided to work with Bilal Elmoussaoui as a mentor, the goal being updating some GNOME design tools to GTK 4, specifically Icon Library and App Icon Preview. Both apps are written in Rust and make use of the gtk-rs bindings for gtk." https://deathwish.info/2021/07/03/gsoc/ [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deathwish.info | GSoC 2021 and GNOME Design tools | Deathwish [00:25] techrights-news #IBM is proud of its #patent portfolio, and the fact that they produce #patents at a rate of 10 a day. With such an extensive arsenal of #swpats , backed by unlimited legal funds what chances are left for the VC backed company? This is like the US going to war against Micronesia. Daniel Cohen http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/ibm-led-mob/ [00:26] techrights-news There are #billGates -sponsored tweets (paid-for cruft) added to my timeline today http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ #gatesfoundation #twitter #bribery #censorship [00:27] techrights-news When you can use your money to ban @zoobab and others for pointing out facts about #gatesfoundation and #billGates in #twitter http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ #censorship [00:28] techrights-news #taxevasion #billgates #scam #bribery #censorship (yes, he bribes the media also to remove negative articles about him, not just to produce puff pieces and attack his 'enemies') http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique [00:30] techrights-news 150 more posts in #techrights and we're up to 31,000 total. Another little milestone ahead of our 15th anniversary in November. #gnu #linux #freesw [00:32] techrights-news When you release a #kernel and they present or frame you in terms of your rival http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152752#comment-30150 #linux #apple [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.13 | Tux Machines [00:35] techrights-news Techs: science. Marketing/sales people: lies. Company: a combination of scientists and liars, optimised to produce something of value and then lie to clients about it, in order to pay the scientists' salaries. Reality: the execs still all the money/surplus. [00:37] techrights-news #Audacity open source audio editor has become spyware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153021#comment-30151 [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audacity is now a Possible Spyware, Remove it ASAP | Tux Machines [00:40] techrights-news Same #google that had put back doors inside the #linux #kernel before massive backlash compelled the kernel team to remove that crap https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/google-finds-new-exploit-that-alters-chip-memory-a-16808 [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bankinfosecurity.com | Google Finds New Exploit That Alters Chip Memory [00:41] techrights-news #china loves #gentoo :-) http://www.ecns.cn/video/2021-06-09/detail-ihamzrnf8951899.shtml no, not #gnu #linux ... their country has its own distros. [00:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ecns.cn | Cute Gentoo penguins join Nanjing Underwater World [00:41] techrights-news Racist corporations try to paint themselves as the opposite of what they are https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/17/business/juneteenth-2021-company-celebrations/index.html [00:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Juneteenth 2021: How major companies are celebrating - CNN [00:43] techrights-news #vista11 = distraction, spam, vapourware, lipstick on a pig. #microsoft could use a distraction from ALL SORTS OF THINGS ~15 days ago. The fake 'leaks' (for hype) were well timed, and not by accident. Throwing bad news under a bus. [00:45] techrights-news #MirceaPopescu dead. https://u.today/bitcoin-btc-billionaire-mircea-popescu-reportedly-found-dead here he is in #techrights ("mp_en_viaje"): http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/irc-log-techrights-29042019.html#tApr%2030%2011:19:43 [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-u.today | Bitcoin (BTC) Billionaire Mircea Popescu Reportedly Found Dead [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: April 29th, 2019 May 5th, 2019 [00:50] techrights-news "Welcome to the #Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 690 for the week of June 27 July 3, 2021. The full version of this issue is available here." https://ubuntu-news.org/2021/07/05/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-690/ #gnu #linux [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntu-news.org | Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 690 [00:52] techrights-news The #microsoft #vista11 spam distracted many people from actual news like the ongoing collapse of #gatesfoundation and expose about Microsoft ducking accountability while corrupting politicians. http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/ [00:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights [00:52] techrights-news Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153069 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [00:55] techrights-news #microsoft #propaganda sites describe #copyleft like this https://mspoweruser.com/github-copilot-receives-criticism-from-copyright-enthusiasts/ #deletegithub [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub Copilot receives criticism from copyright enthusiasts - MSPoweruser [00:57] techrights-news Complaining about #github while refusing to #deletegithub is like saying eating animals is wrong but ordering burgers. Or, to use the example of criminal #billgates , telling people to buy his patented burgers while he's eating beef (cows). [00:57] techrights-news #FOSS4G 2022 to be held in #Italy https://www.spatialsource.com.au/latest-news/foss4g-2022-to-be-held-in-italy #freesw [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.spatialsource.com.au | FOSS4G 2022 to be held in Italy - Spatial Source [00:59] techrights-news Using #FreeDOS as an adventure https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/07/dos-boot-ars-spends-a-day-working-in-freedos/ Ars lacks writers and material, so it is RERUNNING stories now. It never recovered from the arrest of #MicrosoftPeter (its senior staff) for rape of children. [00:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Old school: I work in DOS for an entire day | Ars Technica ● Jul 06 [01:00] techrights-news #HowTo Install and Use #GIMP on #Ubuntu https://www.makeuseof.com/install-and-use-gimp-ubuntu/ #makeuseof | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/06/#latest [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | How to Install and Use GIMP on Ubuntu [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.38 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 27.25 swarm size (avg): 304.63 [01:01] techrights-news Review of #Proxmox Virtual Environment 6.4 https://www.heise.de/tests/Virtualisierung-Proxmox-Virtual-Environment-6-4-im-Kurztest-6117620.html Englush: https://marketresearchtelecast.com/virtualization-proxmox-virtual-environment-6-4-in-a-short-test/94096/ [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heise.de | Virtualisierung: Proxmox Virtual Environment 6.4 im Kurztest | heise online [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marketresearchtelecast.com | Virtualization: Proxmox Virtual Environment 6.4 in a short test - Market Research Telecast [01:03] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:04] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:06] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [01:07] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jul 06 [02:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.31 swarm size (avg): 304.46 [02:29] kingoffrance Phanes/fn: http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=ichor its a known concept re: https://phanes.silogroup.org/the-gods-can-bleed/ see the poem at the bottom lol [02:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dict.org- ichor [02:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phanes.silogroup.org | The Gods Can Bleed Phanes' Canon [02:30] kingoffrance new relic used to do some rails stuff, i dont follow them or know what they do now [02:31] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:31] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:34] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [02:34] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [02:35] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:35] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [02:36] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. 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It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:09] techrights-ipfs-bot QmePPsrpuxrE6PnrxmkA3jbTKbYiwWiedMUCPboaKPHHBs [03:13] Librarian This is pretty cool; there's now a working fork of Audacity for those who dislike phone-home telemetry: https://github.com/temporary-audacity/audacity [03:14] *Guest1643 has quit (Changing host) [03:14] *Guest1643 (~L0j1k@user/l0j1k) has joined #techrights [03:14] *Guest1643 is now known as L0j1k [03:22] *XFaCE has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:24] *XFaCE (~XFaCE@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jul 06 [04:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.71 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 23.20 swarm size (avg): 304.39 [04:08] activelow a thought crossed my mind, concerning GPL2 infringements and exactly who could take legal action and whose freedoms are protected then [04:09] activelow if an authore published software with GPL applied which then was infringed by someone the author can take legal action, such as to enforce compensation for re-licensing [04:10] activelow question is if any other user of that software who is *not* the author could enforce GPL copyleft then [04:33] activelow i think, not sure, any such user who is not the author can benefit from what was published with GPL, yet only authors can effectively enforce copyleft or compensation in case of an infringement [04:33] activelow http://techrights.org/2021/06/02/gcc-copyright-assignment/ [04:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | It Remains Largely Unclear Whose Idea It Was to Change GCC Copyright Assignment Practices (or How/Why It Started) | Techrights [04:34] *job (~job@faedm9en5b78c.irc) has joined #techrights [04:34] activelow ^ so, when fsf insisted copyright was transferred with GCC contributions only fsf could enforce copyleft or compensation against whoever might infringed GPL [04:35] *pandakekok9 (~job@user/job) has joined #techrights [04:38] activelow which could be even more problematic than several different entities retaining their copyright when contributing to GCC, since then multiple business entities had to be bribed to tolerate GPL infringement, instead of fsf only [04:59] activelow anyway, from a technical perspective, the fsf did not prevent harm to GCC with big vendors bloating it for their interests, which has severe practical consequences already: [04:59] activelow - type of vendor lock-in by c++ [04:59] Ariadne i think ending copyright assignment is good, actually. ● Jul 06 [05:00] Ariadne GCC will be forced to remain under GPL, this way. [05:00] activelow - lock-in to gcc itself, it isn't easily replaced by PCC for example anymore, and PCC had not received the attention it deserved by "big foss" corporations [05:00] Ariadne IBM or Microsoft or whoever, cannot take over the FSF board and draft a new GPLv4 and fuck us over [05:00] activelow i think GCC is fucked already [05:00] activelow for technical reasons [05:01] Ariadne from a technical perspective i agree [05:01] Ariadne GCC releases have gotten worse and worse in terms of QA [05:01] *drazak (~androirc@45.55.142.104) has joined #techrights [05:01] *drazak (~androirc@45.55.142.104) has left #techrights [05:01] Ariadne alpine has to fix a lot of fuckups in gcc [05:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.16 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 34.76 swarm size (avg): 304.37 [05:08] kingoffrance well i guess the interesting thing is i think there are other people who agree with this -- just they say thats "fsf quality code" or "open source" at work etc. instead of "big vendors". im not defending that, just how some ppl spin it [05:09] kingoffrance fsf will take blame anyhow [05:10] kingoffrance i saw lots of "open source" comments like this on freenode, which didnt distinguish free software of course, but made me wonder why they were there etc. [05:11] kingoffrance is clang any easier to "bootstrap" ? [05:11] Ariadne clang is a mess [05:11] drazak/fn it's not as if products from big vendors don't suck [05:12] kingoffrance some of the ppl i have seen who do care are those who want "seedability" [05:12] kingoffrance i.e. to keep distro buildable with few external dependencies, at least to get the ball rolling [05:12] Ariadne gcc in three-pass compile mode proves that gcc is reproducible [05:13] Ariadne i have to give RMS credit there, his insistence on three-pass mode being default was ahead of its time [05:13] kingoffrance yes, i should distinguish "small dependencies" from "reproducability" maybe [05:13] activelow i would trace the root cause of evil back to c++ -> Big Telco (Stroustrup, Bell Labs AT&T ...) [05:13] Ariadne but, gcc is really buggy these days [05:14] activelow and some code paths do remain for non-c++ system deployments (GNU, gnome, vala) [05:14] Ariadne i do not look forward to gcc 11 upgrade at all [05:15] activelow i am planning to drop cxx entirely, and dig into PCC for example, not sure yet. could be this is beyond my abilities and competence [05:16] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:17] activelow technical problems are: lack of backported aarch64 support to pcc for example; widget toolkits depending on cxx (qt in particular); linux kernel dependencies against gcc extensions (not sure how severe these are) [05:18] kingoffrance i dunno, i dont keep up with these tings. i remember talk of pcc a long time ago for bsds, now it looks like all have clang (fbsd 10, net 6 in base but not built by default, open switched for i386 and x86_64 in 2017) [05:18] activelow i do have a toolchain created with gentoo crossev already, and a bootable system which has removed c++ entirely and contains all required gentoo tooling [05:18] activelow llvm/clang isn't a viable alternative either imo: c++ [05:18] kingoffrance yeah, thats what i thought [05:20] activelow then, gentoo tooling (which is crucial imo), too vendor locked-in gcc itself; wouldn't want to miss crossdev [05:23] activelow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Labs#Notable_alumni [05:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Bell Labs - Wikipedia [05:24] activelow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup#Career [05:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Bjarne Stroustrup - Wikipedia [05:24] drazak/fn I mean there's no unix or C without bell labs [05:24] drazak/fn so probably not the best thing to call "the root of all evil" [05:24] activelow there's no Unix anymore because of them [05:25] drazak/fn hold up [05:25] drazak/fn AIX is still around [05:25] activelow btw. i did study at Deutsche Telekom University, with a broader schedule to follow along [05:26] drazak/fn in production environments [05:26] activelow it is even worse, if the situation around hardware development, circuit design and electronics was recognised [05:27] activelow add to this the clusterfuck surrounding telco protocols [05:46] schestowitz openwashing [05:46] schestowitz and patent thickets ● Jul 06 [06:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 38.40 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.36 swarm size (avg): 304.31 [06:04] schestowitz regarding GCC, I'm no expert, just an occasional user, but it seems rather inelegant when compilers get so big because hardware 'extensions' need some code thrown at the compiler [06:04] schestowitz makes it very hard to maintain [06:05] gustaf well the obvious way around that is to target a VM [06:06] gustaf or interpreter [06:06] gustaf from what I've recently learned that's what Pascal did [06:06] gustaf isn't LLVM a bit more modular? [06:11] schestowitz I don't know [06:11] schestowitz did you check the code? [06:13] gustaf not a C programmer mysefl [06:13] gustaf I just follow people who are [06:14] gustaf in the end it comes down to person-hours [06:14] gustaf people to code, to sit on comittees, to write proposals etc etc [06:14] gustaf free/open source is at a huge disadvantage there [06:15] gustaf because corps have ample resources to fund that sort of bureucracy [06:16] gustaf so there's a certain amount of red queens race just keeping up with new standards [06:33] kingoffrance "well the obvious way around that is to target a VM" sure but doesnt this just move complexity to a new place? [06:34] kingoffrance may still be worth it, but im not sure "size" doesnt just get shifted [06:34] schestowitz doesn't java do that? [06:35] activelow kingoffrance: "VM" isn't specific. it is either JIT compilation or AOT, in principle. [06:42] activelow some language constructs (java reflection mechanism, dynamic typing), i think, imply some JIT compilation - no expert with this [06:44] activelow some other language constructs (exceptions, garbage collection) require some type of macro expansion and code generation [06:45] activelow i think Vala (gnome project) is/was one of the most interesting languages, because it utilises C language as intermediate and AOT compiles, and offeres a rich set of features [06:46] lockeanarchist Ariadne: Is GCC doomed for you? [06:46] schestowitz it's too easy to get all pessimistic [06:47] schestowitz the media isn't helping, it contributes to fear that omits similar issues in proprietary software/compilers [06:47] schestowitz defeatism is an enemy [06:47] schestowitz morale games [06:47] lockeanarchist I don't know if this decision was made by GCC devs because they were against RMS' decision or something [06:47] schestowitz 500 out of 500 of the world's most important machines run a system compiled with GCC [06:48] lockeanarchist But stripping the GCC's CLA obligation was good [06:49] activelow i consider gcc dead end [06:50] activelow since version 4.7 iirc [06:51] lockeanarchist Because of GCC's adoption of C++ code? [06:51] activelow several reasons [06:52] activelow including c++ [06:56] activelow cannot catch up with "big foss" anymore anyway, nor big telco, nor am i willing to [06:56] lockeanarchist Truth is: LLVM took all corporate support from GCC [06:56] lockeanarchist FLOSS is totally dependent on corporations now [06:56] lockeanarchist that's the sad reality [06:58] activelow year 2000 already Deutsche Telekom couldn't arrange for a sane university schedule anymore already ● Jul 06 [07:01] lockeanarchist Not a surprise MIT/Apache is so popular now. GPL is like a sentence that any big company won't touch your code. I see many projects that are pretty ahead of the competition in their space and nobody paid by these companies would touch its code. [07:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.16 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.35 swarm size (avg): 304.26 [07:02] activelow i mean, even professors complained several times the schedule wouldn't allow to lecture the basics to students anymore [07:04] activelow ^ and THIS is the real issue [07:07] activelow operating systems are only a minor part of the lecture btw., and A. Tanenbaum had reasons to object to Linux [07:07] activelow minix recently too switched compiler, to clang iirc, and netbsd tree -> dead end [07:08] activelow and this is where gnu and fsf belong, into universities, instead of some big corporations and their short sighted interests to generate cash flow for their shareholders [07:09] activelow the reason gnu and fsf will fail with their gcc is this: it may not be appropriate for university lecture anymore, correct me if i am in error with this judgement [07:10] kingoffrance " instead of some big corporations and their short sighted interests to generate cash flow for their shareholders" is that not related to "the schedule wouldn't allow to lecture the basics to students anymore" [07:10] kingoffrance aren't these the same issue? [07:11] activelow i mean, the entire technological progress and blather about "big tech", innovation, hey hi, is futile, useless, if all this cannot be lectured reasonably to students anymore [07:13] kingoffrance well i think that is intentional -- its not considered important that most people know the details etc. [07:13] activelow the horror is even worse in the realm of telco engineering, of which the typical foss is only a minor fraction of the concerns involved [07:13] leah schestowitz: i'm sorry sorry, i'll have savegnu online asap [07:14] leah i've been tying up loose ends. there are certain things i needed to take care of first. i've had to get some affairs in order. i expect this campaign to end up being huge [07:14] leah if it works the way i hope, it'll end up taking up all my time [07:14] leah ...my mentality is: someone has to do it [07:15] activelow it is no coincidence gnu and fsf hadn't realized the severity around Xilinx and hardware development (100% proprietary to my knowledge), since they lost their connection with Universities and relevant lectures there entirely [07:16] lockeanarchist one that did many travels and spread the word was.. RMS [07:17] leah thing is, the essence of my ideas are simple, so i'm actually not worried. what matters is how i put them across, more than details. my idea is simple. we discussed it here the other day [07:18] lockeanarchist I like RMS but I think the FSF/GNU image became too centralized on RMS. Now people canceled RMS [07:19] leah the details are whatever happens if the idea is attempted. that's something that will evolve. such is the nature of... software development. otherwise the concept of paying devs and encouraging way more donations to come in as a result, well that's not hard to wrap your head around. then fsf can start directing real resources towards tackling real problems, all under copyleft, [07:19] leah combatting the current trends of permissive licensing... there are many unexpected things that will happen that i can't predict. all i can say is: if implemented correctly and successful, i think lots of people will be happier with more/better free software [07:20] leah instead of going to work for google, and probably making the world worse, you go work for fsf, and make free software better for everyone [07:20] lockeanarchist Yeah, I agree [07:21] leah fsf took in 3million during 2019 and had half a million surplus [07:21] lockeanarchist I think that FSF needs to catch this opportunity and recruit devs [07:21] lockeanarchist free-rms was sucessful [07:21] leah if people see that fsf is doing actual software development, i reckon we can get that up to 6million [07:22] leah that's an extra 3mil. that pays 30 full-time devs 100k salaries. well, 25 [07:22] leah that's doable [07:22] leah but most projects don't require full time work [07:22] leah these people will be put to the paces, working on multiple projects. or you will have lots of part time devs [07:23] leah i see this being successful. and if it is, in 5 years from now... good things will have happened [07:24] leah well i want to convince the fsf of this, and for them to put me in charge of getting it up and running... or someone else who agrees with my ideas [07:24] leah i need to show that this idea can be popular though. hence the site [07:24] lockeanarchist rms support letter had many support from china and russia, imagine what fsf could do to advance free software in china. I don't agree with chinese government, but we see that many chinese like the free software philosophy [07:26] activelow free software is one aspect, of: freedom of science [07:26] leah lockeanarchist: and yes free-rms is a perfect example of how successful such an organised movement can be [07:27] lockeanarchist if you look now in github, chinese devs are much more likely to license their code in GPL [07:27] leah i mean imo fsf/gnu is dead in 5-10 years unless bold actions are taken now, and the work is put in now, to bring things in order [07:28] leah because otherwise i think if fsf doesn't take control, all these projects will continue to splinter and move away [07:28] leah gnu.org must remain intact. that's the goal here [07:28] lockeanarchist leah: that gnu assembly something is still going on [07:28] lockeanarchist ? [07:28] leah yes, absolutely [07:28] lockeanarchist ;( [07:29] leah right now it's an agreement called the "social contract" and sort of an informal arrangement, but powerful moves have already taken place [07:29] lockeanarchist Mozilla Firefox is the perfect example of what happens when you cave in to big tech [07:29] leah e.g. gcc devs removing rms and no longer requiring fsf copyright assignement for code contributions [07:29] lockeanarchist gnu assembly, something, is doing the same move [07:29] schestowitz it's partly IBM-bed [07:30] lockeanarchist the mozilla suicide move [07:30] schestowitz it was hardly an issue before Red Hat was bought [07:30] schestowitz mozilla had issues because its main sponsor made chrome in 2008 [07:30] leah schestowitz: yeah and now firefox spams me with offers of a vpn service from mozilla. fuck that [07:30] schestowitz and then firefox was no longer the darling of the surveillance company [07:31] schestowitz Mozilla stretched too far [07:31] lockeanarchist Google steamrolled Mozilla [07:31] schestowitz overpaying the CEO [07:32] schestowitz and doing useless projects for Google and others [07:32] schestowitz like Rust [07:32] lockeanarchist I don't think Michel is worried [07:32] lockeanarchist she's is just getting her paychecks [07:32] lockeanarchist saying bs thinking mozilla is EFF [07:32] schestowitz wait [07:32] schestowitz even EFF should not do this [07:33] schestowitz EFF was not always a political party [07:33] schestowitz both have been taken over [07:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/eff-rogue/ [07:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EFF Attacks Software Freedom and Promotes Fake Privacy Linked to Microsoft | Techrights [07:33] schestowitz they're being used for their name [07:33] schestowitz and past credibility [07:33] lockeanarchist Mozilla should be just a developer of Firefox and free alternatives for big tech technology [07:33] schestowitz Just as LF uses "Linux" [07:33] schestowitz and drains the brand out of life [07:33] schestowitz to the point I feel dirty saying "Linux" [07:34] schestowitz it no longer means much [07:34] schestowitz "Freenode is FOSS" [07:34] schestowitz "Mozilla is FOSS" [07:34] lockeanarchist If Linus doesn't do anything [07:34] lockeanarchist they will be steamrolled [07:34] schestowitz (With DRM) [07:34] lockeanarchist like Firefox is being [07:35] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/06/23/linux-foundation-and-linux-brand/ [07:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Time for Linus Torvalds to Enforce and Protect His Brand From Misuse by His Employer, the So-called Linux Foundation | Techrights [07:35] schestowitz Linux as a brand lost its lustre among many geeks [07:35] lockeanarchist ^this last line doesn't sounds right, sorry I'm not an english native [07:35] schestowitz GNU means RMS to many [07:36] schestowitz FSF means GNU [07:36] schestowitz IBM/Red Hat would like to hijack the GNU acronym [07:36] leah fsf is there as an organisation that exists to assist the development of free software in as many ways as possible [07:36] schestowitz then strip it off its community roots [07:36] schestowitz like it did with Linux [07:36] lockeanarchist I think FSF of all orgs [07:37] schestowitz Linux not means "contract tracing" and "vaccine passport" or whatever... [07:37] schestowitz *now [07:37] lockeanarchist is the most well rounded rn [07:37] lockeanarchist *it's [07:37] gustaf kingoffrance: this is what I was talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_(programming_language)#The_Pascal-P_system [07:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pascal (programming language) - Wikipedia [07:37] schestowitz Let's make FSF Foundation and then FSF Foundation Foundation [07:38] schestowitz and the FSF Foundation Foundation will license the FSF seal of approval to "contract tracing" and "vaccine passport" [07:38] schestowitz to profit for a few months :D [07:39] lockeanarchist yeah, they create these foundations in the name of "funding the development" [07:39] lockeanarchist but we all know that is never about this [07:40] lockeanarchist they make everything but pay full-time developers [07:40] lockeanarchist pretty sad [07:40] activelow leah: developers are educated BEFORE they can be hired, to begin with [07:42] schestowitz no, ask Google [07:42] schestowitz They have Gulag Summer of WOrk [07:42] activelow A. Tanenbaum was a University person iirc, and Linux departed; this is when it went wrong, with fsf and gnu and telco and the industry, to serve commercial interests and shareholders instead of science and universities [07:42] schestowitz they pay for people to be trained [07:43] activelow a university should be independent from payments, since big corporations funding universities implies a conflict of interest [07:43] schestowitz that happens already [07:43] schestowitz and has happned for ages [07:44] schestowitz even in Europe [07:44] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:44] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:45] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/12/27/microsoft-europe-influence/ [07:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How Microsoft Bought Nicolas Sarkozy, France, and Parts of Europe | Techrights [07:45] schestowitz "Our anonymous contributor believes that this is very similar to how things work in the United States (which Sarkozy professes to admire though he doesnt speak good English). Sarkozy apparently already receives some small rewards from a Microsoft executive. " [07:45] activelow it was the same with "big telco" and privatisation there, what was formerly associated with univerisities got hijacked by commerce and shareholder interests [07:45] schestowitz "It is also worth noting that the Microsoft Research INRIA Joint Centre opened at the beginning of 2007 (INRIA being Frances national computational research organisation.) Its understood that this followed an infusion of Microsoft money, but the process of opening this organisation began in 2006 before Sarkozy was elected as president. Ive personally known people from INRIA since 2004 (my research peers or colleagues in the field of [07:45] schestowitz machine vision)." [07:45] activelow EU "openwashes" this as "competition" and blah [07:46] schestowitz openwashes? [07:46] schestowitz it means something else [07:46] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [07:46] schestowitz maybe whitewashes [07:46] schestowitz a term that IBM would deem offensive [07:46] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [07:47] schestowitz look what they did to whitehurst [07:47] activelow mislabels, in any case EU was lobbied to serve the interests of commerce and shareholders *only*, instead of free science and universities [07:47] schestowitz "We all know the real reason Jim Whitehurst left was because he had "white" in his name and the SJWs over in Austin (JT) petitioned to remove him from the company to improve our "inclusive" culture." 'Stole' my joke? https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bDVckyc#replies [07:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | WhiteHurst - post regarding IBM layoffs [07:48] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/12/27/microsoft-europe-influence/ [07:48] schestowitz "There were rumours that Nicolas Sarkozy, who recently became President of France, received support from Microsoft, which makes sense given his liberal market policies. Microsoft received some payback when his government recently passed a new law on the autonomy of the universities. One of the items of this law, which was protested through a strike of many students and professors, is that universities can now set up foundations by which they [07:48] schestowitz can receive funding from private sources." [07:50] activelow what an irony, taxes evaded by those were intended to fund universities [07:53] lockeanarchist If you are funding something, you want to benefit somehow. If MS is funding Unis, they want that these unis use their software and the staff advocate for their software too [07:53] lockeanarchist This happens in private colleges in my country [07:53] lockeanarchist MS gives everything for "free" [07:54] lockeanarchist gratis, like rms likes [07:54] gustaf MS lost an entire generation of programmers by restricting access to their software [07:54] lockeanarchist yeah [07:54] lockeanarchist it's pretty ironic [07:55] activelow Linux and GCC lost too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate#The_Samizdat_incident [07:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | TanenbaumTorvalds debate - Wikipedia [07:55] lockeanarchist they spent millions making sure colleges adopted their software [07:55] lockeanarchist and in the end, people just didn't like their tech [07:56] gustaf tbf, the world moved away from the bread and butter of MS tech: client-server [07:56] gustaf towards internet [07:56] gustaf and MS lost a decade trying to dominate instead of cooperate [07:56] lockeanarchist gustaf: in .NET gen they were already pushing hard professors and colleges to teach .net [07:56] lockeanarchist C# [07:56] lockeanarchist .net is far from being ubiquitous [07:56] gustaf C# / Java [07:57] gustaf not much difference [07:57] lockeanarchist net is just a copy of java tbh [07:57] gustaf and Java was the lang of choice when I left KTH in Sweden in ~1997 [07:57] activelow instead of paying taxes, for universities to decide for themselves, yes. Vala was ETH Zurich. [07:58] gustaf I was a bit shocked when MS got the contract to handle all of KTH's mail [07:58] gustaf but apparently it's worked out well [07:58] gustaf email is a commodity [07:58] gustaf it's not cost-effective to have staff handle it [07:58] lockeanarchist gustaf: they pushed hard for .net in the 2000s. I was pretty easy to be in a .net class in my country for example. MS paid everything [07:59] lockeanarchist I almost got a .net classes [07:59] lockeanarchist haha [07:59] gustaf yeah but .Net only gets you so far ... [07:59] gustaf JAva was at least cross-platform ● Jul 06 [08:00] lockeanarchist Java was really popular, at least it was genuine [08:00] gustaf .net is nice enough, PowerShell shows how CLI can be enhanced with a real object system [08:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.78 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.25 swarm size (avg): 304.15 [08:02] activelow .net still gives me headache, since i did study java, later then i chose to do a c#/.net training since i didn't know what ms was doing to judge for myself, so i reviewed this receiving some certificate, and since then i am mistaken as a ms affiliate [08:02] activelow what a shame [08:02] lockeanarchist never understood powershell [08:02] lockeanarchist tbh never used Windows in my PC since... 2012? [08:03] lockeanarchist 2012 i had dual boot but I already never used [08:03] lockeanarchist so I erased windows for good [08:04] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [08:05] lockeanarchist activelow: I still remember MS MVPs [08:05] lockeanarchist hahaha [08:18] bradchaus 2005 was when I had had enuff of what was called an operating system ... went to opensolaris then linux in about 2010 [08:20] *psydruid has quit (connection closed) [08:28] activelow in 2005 i've had enough what was called a University by them, and ragequit with Deutsche Telekom. [08:38] activelow 15 years later their last remaining "University" closed, to my knowledge. [08:39] activelow didn't receive any update since then, how they would proceed with their PHd programme to educate the next generation of telco engineers now. [08:51] techrights-news #KDE and #GNOME Developments, Changes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153073 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE and GNOME Developments, Changes | Tux Machines [08:51] techrights-news #LinuxActionNews and #LateNightLinux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153072 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Action News and Late Night Linux | Tux Machines [08:52] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153070 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [08:52] techrights-news Following #NetBSD , D#ragonFlyBSD Now Has "COVID" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153071 #bsd [08:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Following NetBSD, DragonFlyBSD Now Has "COVID" | Tux Machines [08:53] techrights-news #KaOS 2021.06 Run Through http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152835#comment-30152 #kde #gnu #linux [08:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KaOS 2021.06 | Tux Machines [08:53] techrights-news #Security and #ProprietarySoftware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153074 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Proprietary Software | Tux Machines [08:54] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153076 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [08:54] techrights-news ##HowTo Install #Fedora 34 Workstation [Step by Step] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153077 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Install Fedora 34 Workstation [Step by Step] | Tux Machines [08:55] techrights-news #FreeSoftware and #Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153075 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software and Programming | Tux Machines [08:57] techrights-news #LateNightLinux Episode 132 https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-132/ #deleteGithub #GPLViolations #microsoft [08:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latenightlinux.com | Late Night Linux Episode 132 Late Night Linux [08:57] techrights-news "We try out Pop!_OS 21.04 and share our thoughts on the COSMIC desktop and our reaction to Audacitys new troubling privacy policy." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145482/linux-action-news-196/ [08:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Linux Action News 196 | Jupiter Broadcasting [08:58] techrights-news Things worsen at the #EPO ; its mouthpiece #IAM reveals that in addition to sharp decreases in #patents quality the #pandemic meant less challenge/s to questionable #patent grants https://www.iam-media.com/litigation/epo-oppositions-2020-hlk [08:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | The key data on EPO oppositions in 2020 | IAM [08:58] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, July 05, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [08:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives ● Jul 06 [09:00] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [09:00] techrights-news Carl Schwan: "Im leaving my current part-time job at the #KDE e.V. working on the documentation tooling." https://carlschwan.eu/2021/07/05/kde-documentation-new-job-at-nextcloud/ [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-carlschwan.eu | KDE Documentation & New Job at Nextcloud [09:01] techrights-news Free Liberation Tower Stock Photo - FreeImages.com [09:01] techrights-news Christian Hergert: #GtkSourceView Searching with PCRE2 https://blogs.gnome.org/chergert/2021/07/05/gtksourceview-searching-with-pcre2/ #gtk #freesw [09:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | GtkSourceView Searching with PCRE2 Zen and the Art of GNOME [09:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.43 swarm size (avg): 304.05 [09:02] techrights-news #swans #manchester http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Boat-Canal-New-Islington-Ancoats/20160630_090045 [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | 20160630 090045 [09:03] techrights-news 11 more sigs required for "open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" to exceed 6,800. See http://techrights.org/2021/07/04/2-rms-petitions-in-july/ [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Petitions Update: Anti-Richard Stallman Letter (Call for Removal) Likely to Fall to 2000s and Support Letter to Exceed 7,000 Signatures by End of Summer | Techrights [09:03] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [09:03] techrights-news #Texas has turned courts into corporations; as a result, #patent #law has turned into a joke there and it's all about getting "business" https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/texas-busiest-patent-judge-shows-no-signs-slowing-down-2021-06-28/ [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Texas' busiest patent judge shows no signs of slowing down | Reuters [09:03] techrights-news #china just grants millions of low-quality #patents to game the system https://www.bioworld.com/articles/508940-chinas-patent-law-now-permits-adjustments-extensions-of-patent-terms?v=preview #wipo #cn [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chinas patent law now permits adjustments, extensions of patent terms | 2021-07-02 | BioWorld [09:03] techrights-news "In a world where #patents play an increasingly important role in the technology development and innovation landscape [this is a loaded and mostly false statement], it is critical that reliable information about the status and history of #patent be made available to the public." https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3868513 [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-papers.ssrn.com | Shepardizing Patents by Jorge L. Contreras :: SSRN [09:04] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153078 #Linux #TuxMachines [09:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:05] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Monday, July 05, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/07/06/irc-log-050721/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/06/irc-log-050721/ [09:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Monday, July 05, 2021 | Techrights [09:06] techrights-news Links 6/7/2021: #XOrg Server 21.1 Development Snapshot, #Audacity Backlash Grows http://techrights.org/2021/07/06/audacity-backlash-grows/ #Techrights #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/06/audacity-backlash-grows/ [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 6/7/2021: X.Org Server 21.1 Development Snapshot, Audacity Backlash Grows | Techrights [09:11] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [09:11] *psydruid used Windows and GNU/Linux since 1997 and dumped Windows 2000 just after SP4 was released in 2002 [09:15] gustaf I use Windows at work [09:16] gustaf MacOS at home [09:16] gustaf and Linux on some servers [09:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [09:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [09:50] techrights-news This just means #Microsoft admits that #Windows sucks, it doesn't mean it "loves Linux" as Microsoft propaganda sites like to claim https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-suspends-sql-server-on-windows-containers-beta-recommends-linux-instead/ [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Microsoft suspends SQL Server on Windows Containers Beta, recommends Linux instead - Neowin [09:50] techrights-news #SoftwarePatents #swpats https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/07/01/apple-seeks-to-halt-latest-voip-pal-patent-infringement-litigation see http://techrights.org/2015/07/27/patents-roundup-2015/ http://techrights.org/2018/08/28/uspto-and-swpats-on-cryptocurrencies/ and http://techrights.org/2019/05/18/american-patent-system-corrupt/ about #VoIPPal [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple seeks to halt latest VoIP-Pal patent infringement litigation | AppleInsider [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Patents Roundup: Technicolor, Alice, Voip-Pal, Fitbit, Marijuana Patents, and JDate | Techrights [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Instead of Stopping Software Patent Grants the USPTO Actively Advertises Such Patents, e.g. Patents on Cryptocurrencies | Techrights [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watchtroll, Composed by Patent Trolls, Calls the American Patent System Corrupt | Techrights [09:51] techrights-news "legal regime that ostensibly punishes piracy [sic] in a culture in which it is unavoidable." https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3869860 [09:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-papers.ssrn.com | We're All Pirates Now: Making Do in a Precarious IP Ecosystem by Jessica M. Silbey :: SSRN [09:52] techrights-news The U.S. Supreme Court Limits #Patent Laws Assignor Estoppel Doctrine https://www.natlawreview.com/article/us-supreme-court-limits-patent-law-s-assignor-estoppel-doctrine #scotus #law [09:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Supreme Court Ruling Limits Patent Law Assignor Estoppel Doctrine [09:52] techrights-news #Microsoft #Windows TCO https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/05/kaseya_vsa_update/ #ProprietarySoftware #security [09:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IT for service providers biz Kaseya defers decision about SaaS restoration following supply chain attack The Register [09:52] techrights-news Recognition For #NoSQL Pioneers https://www.i-programmer.info/news/99-professional/14692-recognition-for-nosql-pioneers-.html "Turing Award being the best known and most lucrative" #science #db #databases [09:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.i-programmer.info | Recognition For NoSQL Pioneers [09:53] techrights-news #IBM / #RedHat treating #Gartner like a fountain of truth https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/7/digital-transformation-how-improve-partnership see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group [09:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Digital transformation: How to forge tighter business partnerships | The Enterprisers Project [09:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gartner Group - Techrights [09:54] techrights-news NEWS #ACM #Education Ep17 Bryan Cantrill https://learning.acm.org/bytecast/ep17-bryan-cantrill [09:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-learning.acm.org | Ep17 Bryan Cantrill [09:55] schestowitz gustaf: have you tried plasma5? [09:56] techrights-news NEWS #CSC #Programming High-Performance Computing yesterday, today, and tomorrow - interview with HPC Specialist Dr. Jussi Enkovaara https://www.csc.fi/en/-/high-performance-computing-yesterday-today-and-tomorrow-interview-with-hpc-specialist-dr.-jussi-enkovaara [09:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.csc.fi | High-Performance Computing yesterday, today, and tomorrow - interview with HPC Specialist Dr. Jussi Enkovaara - High-Performance Computing yesterday, today, and tomorrow - interview with HPC Specialist Dr. Jussi Enkovaara - CSC Company Site [09:56] activelow https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/1598 [09:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Installation / verification should not pass if the (sub)key(s) has been revoked or expired Issue #1598 rpm-software-management/rpm GitHub [09:56] techrights-news NEWS #Salon #Education "Public" universities aren't free, conservatives https://www.salon.com/2021/07/05/public-universities-arent-free-conservatives/ [09:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Public" universities aren't free, conservatives | Salon.com [09:57] schestowitz activelow: we need a 'nitter' for shithub [09:58] schestowitz /rpm-software-management is not just a mirror [09:58] schestowitz I have checked [09:58] schestowitz so red hat is outsourcing to proprietary software [09:58] schestowitz probably before Microsoft took over [09:58] schestowitz Red Hat doesn't know how to install git :-D [09:59] activelow schestowitz: this report wasn't concerned with git, it is redhat package manager itself which doesn't correctly verify keys and signatures with package installations ● Jul 06 [10:16] gustaf schestowitz: I don't run Linux on the desktop [10:16] gustaf well on my Pi [10:16] gustaf but that's just the default UI [10:17] gustaf https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/1598#issuecomment-806472662 [10:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Installation / verification should not pass if the (sub)key(s) has been revoked or expired Issue #1598 rpm-software-management/rpm GitHub [10:18] gustaf time again to link to the "PGP is security theater" post? [10:24] activelow it is supply chain integrity, and if anything signed by red hat / ibm can be trusted with what RPM implements for verification [10:25] techrights-news #Micorosoft #Windows TCO: #TheVerge #ProprietarySoftware Kaseya #ransomware attackers demand $70 million, claim they infected over a million devices https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/5/22564054/ransomware-revil-kaseya-coop [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Kaseya ransomware attackers demand $70 million - The Verge [10:25] gustaf yep [10:25] gustaf PGP is probably not the right tool tho [10:25] techrights-news #Micorosoft #Windows TCO: #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware Biden: 'Initial thinking' recent #ransomware attack not by Russian government https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/561491-biden-initial-thinking-recent-ransomware-attack-not-russian-government [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biden: 'Initial thinking' recent ransomware attack not by Russian government | TheHill [10:25] activelow following the arguments in the comments is enlighting too, such as re-signing packages wasn't desireable or practical and similar arguments [10:25] gustaf yes, revocation is complex [10:25] gustaf "trust the key up until this timestamp - then no longer!" [10:26] activelow for binary package deployments i implemented this: hash all binary packges and save output in package.DIGESTS file, then sign that as often with as many keys whenever i wish to do so [10:26] gustaf what if you're reading the key after the revocation has been done but before it has been published where you can read it ? [10:26] techrights-news #Micorosoft #Windows TCO: #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware #Ransomware attack hits software manager, affecting 200 companies https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/561445-ransomware-attack-hits-software-manager-affecting-200-companies [10:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ransomware attack hits software manager, affecting 200 companies | TheHill [10:26] gustaf then you get the revocation, how do you retroactively check that? [10:27] gustaf PKI is a hard problem , especially if decentralized [10:27] gustaf SKS keyservers are no longer viable [10:27] activelow i commit this digests file with signature into git repository, which can be be tag-signed too [10:27] techrights-news #Micorosoft #Windows TCO: #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware [Crackers] demanding $70M to restore data in massive cyberattack: report https://thehill.com/policy/technology/561575-hackers-demanding-70m-to-restore-data-in-massive-cyberattack-report [10:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackers demanding $70M to restore data in massive cyberattack: report | TheHill [10:28] techrights-news #Micorosoft #Windows TCO: #Reuters #ProprietarySoftware Up to 1,500 businesses affected by ransomware attack, U.S. firm's CEO says https://www.reuters.com/technology/hackers-demand-70-million-liberate-data-held-by-companies-hit-mass-cyberattack-2021-07-05/ [10:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Up to 1,500 businesses affected by ransomware attack, U.S. firm's CEO says | Reuters [10:28] gustaf Peter Todd is using the BTC blockchain to implemeent timestamps https://petertodd.org/2016/opentimestamps-git-integration [10:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-petertodd.org | Solving the PGP Revocation Problem with OpenTimestamps for Git Commits [10:29] activelow if anyone wanted to do binary package merges (with my gentoo based distro), then package.DIGESTS file and it's signature can be verified easily, and the hashes of inidvidual binary packages matched against the recorded one [10:29] gustaf ``People say we need to make PGP easy enough for a gorilla to use, but at this rate well be lucky if we succeed at making PGP easy enough for Phil Zimmerman to use.'' [10:29] schestowitz package managers were always a risk [10:29] activelow apt had similar issues iirc [10:29] schestowitz there are alternative approaches [10:29] schestowitz which do not involve compiling from source either [10:30] schestowitz one is, have a secure site/server, then fetch from there, use checksum if needed [10:30] schestowitz so you don't need to trust some distro packages [10:30] schestowitz some hardcore security people refuse to use any package manager [10:30] schestowitz esp. the centralised ones [10:31] schestowitz Raspiberry PiGates Foundation went as far as adding Microsoft to the repos [10:31] schestowitz to add proprietary stuff as root [10:31] schestowitz insane! [10:31] techrights-news #Micorosoft #Windows TCO: #NBC [Crackers] behind holiday crime spree demand $70 million, say they locked 1 million devices https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/hackers-holiday-crime-spree-demand-70-million-say-locked-1-million-dev-rcna1339 [10:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Hackers behind holiday crime spree demand $70 million, say they locked 1 million devices [10:31] activelow anyway, my distro design is different, since i intend to ship full firmware images signed of cause (amd64 ISO, or aarch64 bootable sdcard images) [10:31] techrights-news #Micorosoft #Windows TCO: #VOANews Up to 1,500 Businesses Affected by #Ransomware Attack, US Firm's CEO Says https://www.voanews.com/silicon-valley-technology/1500-businesses-affected-ransomware-attack-us-firms-ceo-says [10:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Up to 1,500 Businesses Affected by Ransomware Attack, US Firm's CEO Says | Voice of America - English [10:32] activelow and neither APT nor RPM tell the story about supply chain integrity with source-base distros anyway, which is another severe problem, which too red hat and debian have [10:33] gustaf Sadly Peter Todd is now antivaxx-curious [10:33] gustaf he used to be the only Bitcoin person who made any sense [10:33] gustaf bbl [10:34] techrights-news #Microsoft #Windows TCO; a lot of the media neglects to say what's impacted in terms of operating system (how convenient; unless it's #Linux and then they attack Linux, the #kernel ) https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/05/kaseya_vsa_update/ [10:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IT for service providers biz Kaseya defers decision about SaaS restoration following supply chain attack The Register [10:35] activelow openbsd implemented signify utility for their desires, it is simpler than gnupg [10:36] activelow signing git tags with signify isn't possible to my knowledge, this requires gnupg, blacklisted any version later than gnupg 1.4.x here, gnupg2 is, strange [10:36] techrights-news NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux VNC? Seriously??? https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/building-a-business-with-vnc-connect-on-raspberry-pi/ see http://techrights.org/2021/07/02/adafruit-and-raspi-limited/ [10:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Building a business with VNC Connect on Raspberry Pi - Raspberry Pi [10:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Think Twice Before Buying Raspberry Pi and Adafruit Because They Work for Microsoft and Pass Data to Microsoft (and Even Promote Microsofts Proprietary Software) | Techrights [10:40] techrights-news What #CorporateMedia calls #microsoft #windows when it's PROMOTIONAL: #vista11 (the vapourware, the myth). What media calls Microsoft Windows when it's NEGATIVE (like thousands of businesses being blackmailed by crackers because they use Windows): "computer" [10:45] activelow another attack on supply chain integrity is the toolchain/compilers, which somehow succeeded. everyone needs a toolchain/compiler shipped as binary to begin with [10:45] activelow which is another reason i want to ditch gcc (and llvm/clang) [10:49] activelow maybe minix kernel, yet i lost interest in that one when minix switched to clang and netbsd tree, and hardware support with minix didn't seem promising either [10:50] activelow anyone knows which compiler was used by Torvalds with his early kernel release forked from minix? [10:50] schestowitz maybe gcc? [10:50] schestowitz I mean, why not? [10:50] schestowitz he spoke about gcc to the media [10:50] schestowitz how gnu was in fact needed to make his project [10:51] schestowitz in 1991 linux wasn't gpl yet [10:51] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights # Copyright Holders: Automatically Deleting Pirated [sic] Content From Search Isn't Enough https://torrentfreak.com/copyright-holders-say-automatically-deleting-pirated-content-from-search-isnt-enough-210705/ [10:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Copyright Holders: Automatically Deleting Pirated Content From Search Isn't Enough * TorrentFreak [10:52] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #france #StreamRipping Can be Perfectly Legal, French Ministry of Culture Says https://torrentfreak.com/stream-ripping-can-be-perfectly-legal-french-ministry-of-culture-says-210705/ [10:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stream-Ripping Can be Perfectly Legal, French Ministry of Culture Says * TorrentFreak [10:53] activelow btw. i think this is the perspective Richard Stallman and Torvalds are missing: they are not confronted with the type of clusterfuck common nowadays. Torvalds and RMS did have small and efficient compilers (pcc) and a kernel (minix) to begin with. [10:53] activelow a noob nowadays has to stomach GCC and Kernel 5.x with hundreds of millions of lines of code, add to this the dozens of thousands of spec sheets from intel and similar [10:53] techrights-news NEWS #ITWire #Privacy #Surveillance #ABC mum when asked if #iview user data is fed to Google, Facebook https://itwire.com/open-sauce/abc-mum-when-asked-if-iview-user-data-is-fed-to-google,-facebook.html [10:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - ABC mum when asked if iview user data is fed to Google, Facebook [10:54] schestowitz activelow: complexity is a problem, yes [10:54] schestowitz systemd will soon hit 2 LOCs [10:54] schestowitz and it just implements a bunch of basic crap [10:55] schestowitz I counted the number of files 2 years ago [10:55] schestowitz I downloaded the whole pile from shithub [10:55] schestowitz it was like 15,000 files, IIRC [10:55] schestowitz good luck learning that... [10:55] techrights-news NEWS #HollywoodReporter #Privacy #Surveillance #China #TikTok Extends Maximum Video Length to 3 Minutes https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/tiktok-video-length-3-minutes-1234976638/ [10:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | TikTok Extends Maximum Video Length to 3 Minutes The Hollywood Reporter [10:56] schestowitz there comes a point of fatigue [10:56] schestowitz it goes like this [10:56] schestowitz use basic program [10:56] schestowitz feature added [10:56] schestowitz features added by the bootload [10:56] schestowitz it becomes bloated (like some IDEs) [10:56] activelow this will be number one reason why gnu and fsf and ms and ibm and all the others will fail: this cannot be considered for university lecture anymore [10:56] schestowitz and then you realise the original program suited you better [10:56] schestowitz so you walk away back to simplicity... happens a lot [10:56] schestowitz I moved from kate to nano some days ago for keeping track of daily links [10:57] schestowitz activelow: well, kernel of LF (Zemlin PAC) misframe the issue [10:57] schestowitz they say total crap [10:57] schestowitz like the problem is diversity [10:57] schestowitz not the complexity of the projust [10:58] schestowitz as if letting a female student from a poor country spend 3 months studying on to code, and on kernel, would yield something of use to Linux [10:58] activelow schestowitz: 20years ago profs at Telekom University complained already the proposed schedule (from headquarters) didn't succeed with teaching the basics anymore, telco engineering covers some more fields than software (electronics, analog, digital circuit) [10:58] activelow add to this the crap advertised by sun and oracle and microsoft to blow up further, this was total insanity, 20 years ago already [10:58] schestowitz in reality, this intern time just takes away from limited resources of longtime kernel hackers [10:58] schestowitz but they they get to check some "box" for "diversity" [10:59] schestowitz making linux easier by outsourcing to shithub is a JOKE too [10:59] schestowitz and zemlin (and the Sunshine Boys) do promote this [10:59] schestowitz as if outsourcing to Microsoft means "inviting to young developers" [10:59] schestowitz what developers? [10:59] schestowitz not kernel hackers ● Jul 06 [11:00] schestowitz it's true that developing for linux is hard [11:00] schestowitz not the processes but fathoming where the heck to even start with some a massive pile of code [11:00] schestowitz it's modular, but comprehensive [11:01] activelow there is not at least hardware available i would consider future-proof and appropriate for universities [11:01] schestowitz copy-pasting someone's gplv2 driver to make similar derivative work might be a staring point [11:01] schestowitz not shithub [11:01] activelow maybe j-core.org, yet even this one is dead end because of Xilinx for example [11:01] schestowitz AMD bought it [11:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.46 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.76 swarm size (avg): 303.99 [11:01] schestowitz coming soon: PSP for Universities(R) [11:02] schestowitz "don't mind that other processor/OS" [11:03] activelow DT chose motorola for their assembly lecture, to my knowledge this one is defunct already [11:03] techrights-news NEWS #NBC #Privacy #Surveillance #BookTok #TikTok is taking the book industry by storm, and retailers are taking notice https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tiktok-taking-book-industry-storm-retailers-are-taking-notice-n1272909 [11:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | TikTok is taking the book industry by storm, and retailers are taking notice [11:03] techrights-news #Education Distro #Escuelas Linux 7.0 Released with New Apps, Based on Bodhi Linux 6.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153079 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Educational Distro Escuelas Linux 7.0 Released with New Apps, Based on Bodhi Linux 6.0 | Tux Machines [11:08] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Motorola [11:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Motorola - Techrights [11:08] schestowitz My PDA still uses Motorola chip [11:09] schestowitz low-power Motorola DragonBall processor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Tungsten [11:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Palm Tungsten - Wikipedia [11:10] schestowitz T3 and T5 turn out to have switched to Intel crap [11:11] schestowitz and later, with Treo, Palm killed itself, by choosing Windows [11:11] schestowitz another company killed after alliance with Microsoft [11:11] schestowitz TT was "Texas Instruments OMAP (ARM) 144 MHz processor" [11:12] schestowitz Tungsten W is Motorola [11:13] schestowitz very small https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freescale_DragonBall [11:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Freescale DragonBall - Wikipedia [11:13] schestowitz " It is supported by Clinux. It was designed by Motorola in Hong Kong and released in 1995" [11:13] schestowitz "The more recent DragonBall MX series microcontrollers, later renamed the Freescale i.MX (MC9328MX/MCIMX) series, are intended for similar application to the earlier DragonBall devices but are based on an ARM processor core instead of a 68000 core." [11:14] activelow sorry, i am not willing to learn three or more different instruction sets, several dozens of scripting languages and whatnot [11:15] activelow there was more important things to do: maths, physics, electronics, analog, circuit design [11:15] activelow this is what isn't understood, by those glorious leaders in telekom headquarters, fsf, ms, ibm or elsewhere [11:15] activelow they are narrow minded idiots [11:17] activelow i began studying year 2001, and 20 years ago already our profs complained openly, the arranged schedule in some headquarter somewhere was ruined, inappropriate to at least lecture the basics sufficiently [11:19] schestowitz china has a new processor [11:19] schestowitz [11:42] #XiangShan open-source 64-bit #RISCV processor to rival Arm Cortex-A76 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153046 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | XiangShan open-source 64-bit RISC-V processor to rival Arm Cortex-A76 | Tux Machines [11:20] schestowitz 64-bit would be complex instruction set [11:20] schestowitz 8-bit might be OK for educatiin [11:20] schestowitz maybe 16-bit [11:20] activelow bit what? register width, adress bus width, data bus width? [11:20] schestowitz instruction set [11:21] psydruid RISC-V 64-bit is simple enough [11:22] psydruid register width [11:25] activelow let me guess: xilinx? or which molester in silicon valley is it with risc-v? i don't care what they came up with again in the promised land of theirs. [11:31] *CrystalMath (~coderain@bjz5xycuyvd3u.irc) has joined #techrights [11:32] psydruid XiangShan is from the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the code (in Chisel) is on Github [11:35] activelow RISC-V = UC Berkeley [11:36] psydruid what do you suggest using instead? [11:37] activelow i suggest a definition of criteria to evaluate the entire supply chain [11:38] schestowitz good luck with that... [11:38] techrights-news NEWS #WSWS #Assange #Wikileaks Julian Assanges freedom depends on the mobilisation of the working class https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/05/pers-j05.html [11:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Julian Assanges freedom depends on the mobilisation of the working class - World Socialist Web Site [11:39] techrights-news NEWS #YahooNews #Khashoggi 'A direct trail of blood drops' leads from a #Twitter hack to Jamal Khashoggi's murder https://news.yahoo.com/a-direct-trail-of-blood-drops-leads-from-a-twitter-hack-to-jamal-khashoggis-murder-090051087.html [11:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | 'A direct trail of blood drops' leads from a Twitter hack to Jamal Khashoggi's murder [11:40] activelow schestowitz: with RISC-V the job is done already. UC Berkely and the entire complex surrounding them. [11:41] techrights-news #twitter : we take money from criminals for #reputationLaundering http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ older: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-34474798 [11:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights [11:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Meet Twitter's second biggest shareholder, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal - BBC News [11:42] schestowitz I thought you were criticising them [11:44] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153080 #Linux #TuxMachines [11:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:44] activelow wasted time and effort to think about. if UC berkeley seeks profit for their shareholders with RISC-V they can do their work for themselves. ideally behind a fence surrounding them. [11:44] activelow maybe offload all the entire glorious inventions of theirs for them to drown in spec sheets stacked up to the moon. [11:47] schestowitz there are more issues than just this [11:47] schestowitz inc. the manufacturing means [11:53] schestowitz the hardware freedom 'movement' is weak for a reason [11:53] schestowitz they barely stand a chance [11:54] schestowitz you can copy computer programs without raw materials, just magnetic disk space or similar [11:54] gustaf Software is kinda unique in that the capital requirements are really small [11:54] gustaf you basically need living expenses and a computer [11:54] gustaf maybe a net connections [11:54] schestowitz Richard Stallman calls for the creation of a Free Universal Encyclopedia and Learning Resource http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/#very-old-videos [11:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-audio-video.gnu.org | Audio/Video - GNU Project - Free-Software Foundation [11:54] schestowitz before Wikipedia [11:55] schestowitz he actually inspired its creation [11:55] schestowitz RMS said that within about a decade of work it would be doable [11:56] schestowitz 5 years later it was already work in progress [11:57] activelow academic freedom, hardware circuit design, analog, electronics, phyiscs etc. aren't fundementally different to software and related freedom issues [11:57] schestowitz of course the Internet changed a lot in the distribution sense [11:58] schestowitz activelow: they are in the distribution sense [11:58] schestowitz also modification of today's hardware is hard [11:59] activelow depends, FPGAs could have made it easier even [11:59] schestowitz eve programmable boards limit what you can change in them ● Jul 06 [12:00] schestowitz leah works on freedom in booting [12:00] schestowitz because usually you are limited once you power up a machine [12:02] *koo6 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:03] activelow exactly, typical software and hardware are not suitable for university or schools [12:04] schestowitz 'modern' [12:04] *bridge has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:04] *gustaf has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:04] *XRevan86 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:05] *immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:10] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch #fb #Facebook Gives the Most Dangerous Extremists a Free Pass https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/07/05/facebook-gives-the-most-dangerous-extremists-a-free-pass/ [12:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook Gives the Most Dangerous Extremists a Free Pass - CounterPunch.org [12:46] *mib_yuedfh (~5198ee27@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [12:48] *psydroid_ (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [12:54] techrights-news Scapegoat https://assets.amuniversal.com/95f670f0b5a701396651005056a9545d Ref: https://dilbert.com/strip/2021-07-05 [12:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert Comic Strip on 2021-07-05 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [12:54] techrights-news #pakistan #blasphemy #islam #intolerance https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistani-policeman-accused-killing-man-acquitted-blasphemy-2021-07-03/ [12:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pakistani policeman accused of killing man acquitted of blasphemy | Reuters [12:57] techrights-news In the latest episode of ACM ByteCast, host Jessica Bell chats with former ACM President Vint Cerf, Vice President and Chief Internet Evangelist at Gulag https://learning.acm.org/bytecast/ep9-vint-cerf [12:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-learning.acm.org | Ep9 Vint Cerf [12:59] schestowitz Ariadne: seems like some users in eastern europe/north europe/western russia cannot connect (IRC, site) ● Jul 06 [13:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.38 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.20 swarm size (avg): 303.96 [13:02] schestowitz whelp the primary server seems to have taken ill... [13:02] schestowitz what does it say? [13:02] schestowitz 4 users offlined, inc. bridge [13:02] schestowitz gustaf has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:02] schestowitz no entries here since 11:10:31 UTC http://techrights.org/irc/ [13:02] schestowitz my client is timeing out when attempting to connect [13:02] schestowitz so it looks like an IP address issue [13:02] schestowitz 2 other clients that lost connection are in St Peterburg [13:02] schestowitz Peters [13:03] techrights-news " #Mozilla is the socially acceptable face of Big Tech. For example, Google and friends know youd never donate your voice for whatever their next privacy eroding product is." https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106528391700910055 [13:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Mozilla is the socially acceptable face of Big " - Arals Mastodon [13:05] schestowitz will check if site accessible from russia [13:38] *immibis (~immibis@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [13:38] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [13:38] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [13:38] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [13:38] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [13:38] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [13:38] schestowitz/fn try again [13:41] *gerikson (~gerikson@krkzi3rq7rhje.irc) has joined #techrights [13:47] *alextee has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:51] schestowitz can you access http? [13:51] schestowitz can you ping the address? [13:51] schestowitz 8 locations around the world, site accessible OK https://shotsherpa.com/adventure/60e4481c9d82d52899749e80 [13:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-View your website around the world - ShotSherpa [13:51] schestowitz might be an SSL issue [13:51] schestowitz try again [13:51] schestowitz I've just been on the phone for 40 minutes with BT [13:52] schestowitz they're upgrading us at home to fiber optics and I convinced them to even charge us less than for copper [13:53] schestowitz 8 pounds/month + line rental [13:53] schestowitz uploading videos would be a lot faster [13:56] techrights-news "So #Mozilla creates a voice dataset and licenses it liberally so any #surveillance capitalist like Google, etc., can use it." https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106528391700910055 [13:57] techrights-news "Imagine taking the musical notation system and the 17th century's circle of fifths, replacing the letters with numbers and getting a patent for that." https://fosstodon.org/@yarmo/106527395003928635 #patents #swpats [13:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosstodon.org | Yarmo: "Imagine taking the musical notation system and th" - Fosstodon [13:58] techrights-news #deletegithub #microsoft https://x0f.org/@FreePietje/106524109595341854 [13:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-x0f.org | Free Pietje: "Preface: - I have and never will use M$ GH Co(py)" - unidentified instance [13:58] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.2) ● Jul 06 [14:00] techrights-news I hope he no longer works for #startpage https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/106527321291899024 startpage betrayed all of us http://techrights.org/wiki/Startpage [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "@digihumanrights@twitter.com @alexanderhanff@twit" - chaos.social [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights [14:01] techrights-news "Oops - that last one I posted is a good talk, but it's not the one I meant to post. I'd meant to post this one, with a gratifying #FOSS angle towards the end." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/106527451328253663 [14:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "Oops - that last one I posted is a good talk, but" - Mastodon - NZOSS [14:01] Techrights-sec nice, I hope the fibre helps a lot. It won't help with regular web sites, though [14:01] Techrights-sec since the slow down for regular web sites is usually a combination of a sluggish [14:01] Techrights-sec server and about 5 MB of javascript, consisting of multiple layers from [14:01] Techrights-sec many distinct hosts. [14:03] schestowitz it can help serve larger files, reduce network congestion when transferring large video files (esp. rsync), and should cost less at least for the next 24 months. But I want to try it before building up false hopes. [14:03] *alextee (~alextee@bqaiucian72fn.irc) has joined #techrights [14:05] Techrights-sec It should help a lot with the uploads and with IPFS. Can you get better [14:05] Techrights-sec firmware on the main router as part of the deal? e.g. OpenWRT? [14:06] schestowitz I did not ask as I was focusing on negotiating the price downwards... and this current setup is already configured for everything (until they remotely break it again). For IPFS we may be able to alter the tc configs when the total throughput increase. afaik, the more nodes you notify, the faster the reach [14:06] Techrights-sec When will they install the fiber? [14:06] schestowitz just over a week from now, around the 15th. [14:11] techrights-news #ProprietarySoftware Security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153082 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Security | Tux Machines [14:12] techrights-news #KDE Plasma 5.22.3 Improves Support for Flatpak Apps, Plasma Wayland, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153083 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.22.3 Improves Support for Flatpak Apps, Plasma Wayland, and More | Tux Machines [14:12] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [14:12] techrights-news #Nextcloud Hub 22 Launches with Approval Workflows, Integrated PDF Signing, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153081 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nextcloud Hub 22 Launches with Approval Workflows, Integrated PDF Signing, and More | Tux Machines [14:23] Techrights-sec Excellent. That's quite soon. [14:34] techrights-news Is #ibm #redhat sort of 'hijacking' the acrnym "ODF" now? https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/finding-block-and-file1 https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/finding-block-and-file2 https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/finding-block-and-file3 OpenDocument != "OpenShift Data Foundation" [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Finding block and file OCP application contents in ODF: The infrastructure | Enable Sysadmin [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Finding block and file OCP application contents in ODF: Creating the project | Enable Sysadmin [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Finding block and file OCP application contents in ODF: Creating a file storage project | Enable Sysadmin [14:36] techrights-news #CentOS Stream 9 Builds Flowing, Opened Up For Contributors - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=CentOS-Stream-9-Builds #Phoronix #IBM #RedHat | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/06/#latest [14:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CentOS Stream 9 Builds Flowing, Opened Up For Contributors - Phoronix [14:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [14:39] MinceR 06 060029 < Ariadne> IBM or Microsoft or whoever, cannot take over the FSF board and draft a new GPLv4 and fuck us over [14:39] MinceR why could they not? [14:40] MinceR 06 062441 < activelow> there's no Unix anymore because of them [14:41] MinceR *BSD is not Unix? [14:41] techrights-news #Rust in the #Linux #kernel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153067#comment-30154 [14:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Rusty Sting, ASUS Laptop Stuff, and Bloat | Tux Machines [14:42] gerikson poor BSD [14:42] gerikson no-one remembers them [14:43] techrights-news #KDE Plasma 5.22.3, Bugfix Release for July http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153083#comment-30153 [14:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.22.3 Improves Support for Flatpak Apps, Plasma Wayland, and More | Tux Machines [14:45] techrights-news Can we like... NOT promote outsourcing #gnu #linux files or file systems to the #nsa via digital gangsters and criminals from #microsoft h https://www.linuxuprising.com/2021/07/access-onedrive-from-linux-using.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [14:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuprising.com | Access OneDrive From Linux Using OneDriver (v0.11.0 Released With GUI For Easy Setup) - Linux Uprising Blog [14:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights [14:48] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@amr3hdtx4z5jn.irc) has joined #techrights [14:49] *XRevan86 (~XRevan86@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [14:50] techrights-news #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153084 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [14:51] techrights-news Torvalds is clearly not in charge of Linus anymore http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153067#comment-30154 [14:53] techrights-news More #OpenRISC #LiteX Drivers Expected To Be Upstreamed In Linux - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenRISC-LiteX-Drivers-Coming #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [14:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-More OpenRISC LiteX Drivers Expected To Be Upstreamed In Linux - Phoronix [14:53] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:53] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:53] techrights-news Linux 5.14 Continues Work On #USB4 Support Bring-Up - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-Continues-USB4-TB #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/06/#latest [14:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 Continues Work On USB4 Support Bring-Up - Phoronix [14:55] MinceR 06 090223 < lockeanarchist> never understood powershell [14:56] MinceR the point of powerHell is to make your shell depend on botNET :> [14:56] MinceR also an effort to pretend that microshit knows about working in the command line [14:56] schestowitz tbh [14:57] schestowitz as I understand it, this happened like this [14:57] schestowitz we had DOS [14:57] schestowitz and batch files [14:57] schestowitz then came Windows [14:57] schestowitz and they had dos/cmd [14:57] schestowitz as a legacy thing [14:57] schestowitz but it was utter crap compared to unix/linux [14:57] schestowitz so they tried copying it poorly [14:57] schestowitz and nobody came [14:57] schestowitz I like it like that... [14:58] MinceR (so they came up with a shell where you have to alias everything if you don't want to wear down your fingers to stumps) [14:59] techrights-news When you naively outsource RSS feeds to #google and then it hits you! He's the second I see moaning about it (second after Huang) http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/foss-patents-email-notifications.html [14:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: FOSS Patents email notifications: switched from FeedBurner (to be discontinued by Google) to follow.it, which offers some advantages ● Jul 06 [15:00] techrights-news ... #FlorianMueller would be wise to just abandon #google #blogspot already ...altogether, more than a decade late. I discussed it with him in length (over email) for a long time. He says he controls the domain. But the CMS is #ProprietarySoftware ... vendor lock-in... http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/07/foss-patents-email-notifications.html [15:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.28 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 12.71 swarm size (avg): 303.86 [15:02] techrights-news #epo has just updated this Web page to cover up its crimes, including violations of #gdpr https://www.epo.org/about-us/office/data-protection-and-privacy.html see http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/complicity-of-epo-administrative-council/ [15:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Data protection & privacy [15:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Administrative Council Has Just Shown Evidence of Its Complicity (Again) | Techrights [15:03] techrights-news Notice how the FIRST THREE SECTION all of them in this page are #microsoft https://www.epo.org/about-us/office/data-protection-and-privacy.html #epo is breaking the #law again http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/ [15:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights [15:03] DaemonFC schestowitz, I noted this somewhere else... [15:03] DaemonFC "Yeah, remember when there weren't smartphones? You just balanced your checkbook by hand or with quickbooks and if you wanted to know what was going on, you asked someone? [15:03] DaemonFC Now you can have random apps alerting you to dumb shit in the middle of the night for no reason if you forget to turn the volume off and stealing your bank account password and random assholes on Yelp who think they're the local food critic. [15:03] DaemonFC Consumertards love this, but they didn't stop there. As stupid as smartphones are, they at least pretend to have a purpose. "Smart" speakers that listen to your home all the time don't even pretend to do that, and now thanks to Peloton you can spend $2,500 for a stationary bike that has a tablet that won't do anything except what Peloton tells it to do, for $39.99 a month." [15:04] techrights-news #epo is a hugely corrupt institution run by criminals and liars. They love working them because it gives them immunity from the #law http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/bundestagate-part-20/ [15:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag Part 20: Taking Stock | Techrights [15:06] DaemonFC ""Smart" phones have created numerous psychological problems that didn't exist previously. Such as creating another distraction in the bedroom tempting you not to sleep. Psychiatric studies have shown that just by having the phone in the room with you at night, you will probably not sleep as well. But they've also caused people to wall themselves off from others in unhealthy ways, leading even South Park to mock it by handing Eric Cartman a [15:06] DaemonFC sensory deprivation box so nothing distracted him from his phone while people were trying to talk to him or were swerving to avoid him as he ignored the crosswalk signals." [15:07] gerikson tab-completion works [15:07] gerikson also has a built-in IDE [15:08] gerikson PS is slow reading files tho [15:08] *mib_yuedfh has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [15:08] techrights-news A bunch of fake 'endorsements' (marketing) from a fake 'news' site, IAM https://www.iam-media.com/the-ip-hall-of-fame-inductees-2021-announced see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/IAM [15:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | The IP Hall of Fame inductees for 2021 announced | IAM [15:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IAM - Techrights [15:09] DaemonFC "These stupid gadgets have seriously harmed actual interpersonal skills and relationships irreparably, to the point where people may have forgotten how to even have them anymore. [15:09] DaemonFC They create frustration for everyone, honestly, if they have even half a brain in their head. What pisses you off more than paying to go on a date with someone? Having them looking at their phone the entire time and then excusing themselves after dinner." [15:09] schestowitz maybe I'll do something about this EPO GDPR thing later [15:09] schestowitz should we do more articles/videos about audacity? [15:09] schestowitz we did a few earlier this year [15:10] schestowitz the situation now is sort of inconclusive with no actual news [15:10] *schestowitz wraps up another lump of Daily Links [15:13] gerikson I think the Audacity sitch needs to calm down a bit [15:13] Ariadne schestowitz: probably banned in russia [15:19] schestowitz sitch? [15:20] schestowitz Ariadne: no, I checked [15:20] gerikson sorry, "situation" [15:20] schestowitz eventually they managed to re-establish a connection [15:20] schestowitz gerikson: seems like a bit mob-like [15:20] schestowitz and I think they can reconcile [15:20] schestowitz on terms like no telemetry [15:20] schestowitz the cla aspect bothers me less [15:20] schestowitz we've meanwhile crafted rules for apparmor [15:20] gerikson depends on how big a storm in a teacup this turns out to be [15:21] schestowitz maybe we'll publish these [15:21] schestowitz many links here: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153021#comment-30151 [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audacity is now a Possible Spyware, Remove it ASAP | Tux Machines [15:21] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/audacity-and-muse-group/ [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Audacity Takeover by Muse Group is No Cause for Celebration | Techrights [15:22] *job has quit (connection closed) [15:22] *pandakekok9 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:22] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/telemetry-in-audacity/ [15:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Outsourcing Audacity Development to Microsoft Proprietary Software and Then Copying Microsoft Tactics (and Telemetry) | Techrights [15:26] techrights-news Links 6/7/2021: KDE Bugfixes and Qt 6.2 Beta http://techrights.org/2021/07/06/qt-6-2-beta/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/06/qt-6-2-beta/ [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 6/7/2021: KDE Bugfixes and Qt 6.2 Beta | Techrights [15:27] techrights-news #Kernel : #OpenRISC #LiteX and USB/Thunderbolt Changes in Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153085 #Linux #TuxMachines [15:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: OpenRISC LiteX and USB/Thunderbolt Changes in Linux | Tux Machines [15:27] techrights-news todays leffovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153086 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leffovers | Tux Machines [15:27] schestowitz I will not do a video [15:28] schestowitz I'll do text and try to calm things down sort of... [15:40] schestowitz ok, draft done [15:45] schestowitz anybody wanna read? [15:55] MinceR https://doomeu.tumblr.com/post/128857263272 [15:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-doomeu.tumblr.com | Doom: Evil Unleashed imx-doomer: Soare you ready for this months... [15:57] techrights-news The #Audacity Situation Needs More Diplomacy and Less Mob Mentality (We Can Probably Remove the Malicious Features Without Forking) http://techrights.org/2021/07/06/audacity-diplomacy/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/06/audacity-diplomacy/ [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Audacity Situation Needs More Diplomacy and Less Mob Mentality (We Can Probably Remove the Malicious Features Without Forking) | Techrights [15:59] schestowitz MinceR: 2015 ● Jul 06 [16:00] MinceR that's numberwang! [16:06] DaemonFC schestowitz, All of these stores have turned the air conditioning off. [16:06] DaemonFC Walmart has been a blazing inferno every time I've gone to do my shopping lately. [16:07] DaemonFC I ran into a memo a while back about how their goal is to get people out of the store quickly. I was like "Did I land in the Upside Down? They want people out quickly? What happened to stick around and maybe they'll buy more?". [16:10] DaemonFC schestowitz, Walmart's selling stationary bikes that are basically a copycat peloton but without the bigass tablet that requires a $40 a month subscription. [16:10] DaemonFC Also, the stationary bike is $449, not $2500. [16:11] DaemonFC What kind of a fucking idiot buys a $2,500 stationary bike that then requires a $40 a month subscription to a tablet that only runs stuff from the company that made the bike? [16:20] DaemonFC They've used COVID as an excue to finally get rid of the last drinking fountains and replace them with soda machines with bottled water. [16:20] DaemonFC I drank out of drinking fountains for well over 30 years and nothing fucking happened. [16:20] DaemonFC A few places still have "bottle refilling stations", which I suppose is better than nothing. [16:22] DaemonFC Carlin said that nobody trusted the drinking water and that gave him hope. [16:23] DaemonFC My grandmother had the foulest smelling drinking water I've ever come across. At one point she figured if she bought a Brita system, it would help. Nope. [16:23] DaemonFC It was well water. Someone didn't dig the well deep enough and nobody was ever going to fix it. [16:29] MinceR big ass-tablet [16:30] schestowitz The original "Surface" [16:30] schestowitz why did they repurpose the brand? [16:30] schestowitz They all failed [16:30] schestowitz did they hope people won't be able to find online info about the original failure? [16:31] schestowitz 2009: http://techrights.org/2009/04/25/microsoft-censorship-on-the-surface/ [16:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Negative Review of MS Surface Published, Microsoft Contacts Blogger and Has It Removed | Techrights [16:31] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_-_Layoffs [16:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft - Layoffs - Techrights [16:32] alextee these are really nice https://github.com/microsoft/fluentui-system-icons [16:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - microsoft/fluentui-system-icons: Fluent System Icons are a collection of familiar, friendly and modern icons from Microsoft. [16:32] alextee finally something useful from microsoft i can use [16:49] schestowitz ewww\ugly ● Jul 06 [17:00] Librarian Bitcoin's 365-day moving average price just climbed above 30 cents per kilosatoshi, for the first time in history! Happy all-time-high day to the long-term savers! [17:00] Ariadne those icons are very whatever [17:00] Ariadne forkawesome is better imo [17:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.93 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.58 swarm size (avg): 303.67 [17:04] schestowitz I like faenza [17:07] techrights-news #Manchester is a #Football Capital and Deserves to Hold More International Matches Than #Wembley (London) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/07/06/manchester-football/ #schestowitz [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Manchester is a Football Capital and Deserves to Hold More International Matches Than Wembley (London) [17:09] DaemonFC https://www.slashgear.com/audacity-open-source-audio-editor-has-become-spyware-05681012/amp/ [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Audacity open source audio editor has become spyware - SlashGear [17:10] schestowitz AMP x| [17:10] schestowitz poor man's gulag [17:15] techrights-news European #Patent Office (EPO) and the #EPO 's Administrative Council Both Complicit in Illegal #Outsourcing to #Microsoft (and Industrial #Espionage ) http://techrights.org/2021/07/06/epo-industrial-espionage/ [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Patent Office (EPO) and the EPOs Administrative Council Both Complicit in Illegal Outsourcing to Microsoft (and Industrial Espionage) | Techrights [17:19] techrights-news Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153087 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [17:19] bradchaus just exactly how could this affect linux ... linux does not use Powershell ... unless they mean there own WSL ... how misleading is this? ... https://betanews.com/2021/07/03/microsoft-urges-powershelll-users-to-upgrade-to-protect-against-critical-vulnerability/#comments [17:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Microsoft urges PowerShell users to upgrade to protect against critical vulnerability [17:20] techrights-news #Audacity s new management is making a huge mistake; but forking should be the last resort and theres probably still room for constructive negotiation http://techrights.org/2021/07/06/audacity-diplomacy/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/06/audacity-diplomacy/ [17:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Audacity Situation Needs More Diplomacy and Less Mob Mentality (We Can Probably Remove the Malicious Features Without Forking) | Techrights [17:20] techrights-news It seems like the #EPO has just updated a Web page to help cover up its crimes, including gross violations of the #GDPR (abuse of #privacy of both staff and stakeholders) http://techrights.org/2021/07/06/epo-industrial-espionage/ #Techrights #europe| Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/06/epo-industrial-espionage/ [17:22] techrights-news The so-called 'Linux' Foundation is once again a #Microsoft #proprietarysoftware #monopoly outsourcer, plus the #openwashing https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/linux-foundation-to-form-new-open-3d-foundation/ #deletegithub [17:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | Linux Foundation to Form New Open 3D Foundation - Linux Foundation [17:23] techrights-news Games for #gnu #linux in Steam... now discounted https://boilingsteam.com/steam-summer-sale-2021-our-picks/ [17:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Steam Summer Sale 2021: Our Picks - Boiling Steam [17:25] schestowitz bradchaus: Microsoft boosting site [17:25] schestowitz with MS MVPs in it [17:25] MinceR 06 173039 <~schestowitz> why did they repurpose the brand? [17:25] DaemonFC https://www.reddit.com/r/shrinkflation/comments/oainnz/shrinkflation_at_amc_theatres/ [17:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Shrinkflation at AMC Theatres : shrinkflation [17:25] MinceR microsoft's recipe for brand success [17:26] MinceR apply the brand to various things until one succeeds, claim victory [17:26] bradchaus so how downright f*cking bullshit reporting [17:26] DaemonFC $12.50 per movie ticket so you can get a "popcorn deal" with a large popcorn and two sodas for $22. [17:26] DaemonFC That's basically costing the theater about 20 cents for the soda syrup and 30-40 cents for the popcorn. So of course they need to shrink the popcorn tub. [17:27] DaemonFC Movie theaters are dying. COVID accelerated it, but they're dying. [17:27] bradchaus i liked this though ... https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-suspends-sql-server-on-windows-containers-beta-recommends-linux-instead/ [17:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Microsoft suspends SQL Server on Windows Containers Beta, recommends Linux instead - Neowin [17:27] DaemonFC Amazon is buying up all of the movies that were produced that were meant to go to the theaters, because nobody goes there anymore. Ghost town. [17:28] AdmFubar we will be more Max Headroom like sooner than you think [17:29] AdmFubar at least the big chain theaters... [17:30] DaemonFC https://www.reddit.com/r/shrinkflation/comments/n5nqov/kikkomans_soy_sauce_is_33_smaller_for_the_same/ [17:30] AdmFubar I wonder how art houses will fair [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Kikkoman's Soy Sauce is 33% smaller for the same price. : shrinkflation [17:30] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:30] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:30] DaemonFC All the stuff at the store is getting depressingly small. [17:30] DaemonFC Remember when you used to buy a pack of hotdogs that was like 12 of them for $1.98? [17:31] DaemonFC I just paid $3.68 today for 8 of them. [17:32] AdmFubar https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2021/07/06/owns-basmati-rice-india-pakistan-battle-gi-rights/id=135213/ [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipwatchdog.com | Who Owns Basmati Rice? India and Pakistan Battle for GI Rights [17:32] AdmFubar how big is the package..??? [17:32] DaemonFC I'm going to grill some tonight. I noticed that there's quite a large sodium difference between brands. Like, your doctor will say avoid hotdogs, but which ones? Right? One brand has 550 mg sodium per hotdog, and the other has 350. [17:33] DaemonFC 550 isn't terrific, but 350 isn't so bad. [17:33] DaemonFC So I buy on sodium content, a lot of times, now. [17:33] AdmFubar nathan's are way too salty.. don't know how anyone can eat them [17:33] DaemonFC Oscar Meyer were pretty salty too, from the label. [17:34] DaemonFC Mandy gets that godawful filipino spaghetti sauce. [17:34] DaemonFC Half a cup has like 2.2 grams of salt in it. [17:34] schestowitz AdmFubar: the package was deflated [17:34] DaemonFC An entire day's worth. [17:34] AdmFubar I try to buy the old fashioned kind, that are made in house at a local market [17:35] DaemonFC Yeah, I wanted to get some Vienna Beef ones (Chicago local). They're really expensive, but good. [17:35] DaemonFC Walmart's app said they had plenty and yet they were out. [17:35] MinceR microsoft's recipe for product success: rename it until it succeeds, claim victory [17:35] DaemonFC Then I went to get my Vlasic sweet dill relish, and Walmart's app said they were out, and they had an entire case of it. [17:36] DaemonFC That shit is whack, yo. [17:36] DaemonFC You can't shop for groceries on it because it's always wrong, yet they punish you for going into the store and getting things yourself, in various ways. [17:37] DaemonFC Somehow, people still use their app to grocery shop. And if they pull incomplete orders and make bad sustitutions, how are you supposed to use any of it? [17:38] DaemonFC If they pull 11 ingredients of a 12 ingredient recipe, you can't make dinner. [17:38] techrights-news "In this video, I am going to show how to install #deepin 20.2.2." #china #gnu #linux #cn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2btvRQ0msQ [17:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install deepin 20.2.2 - YouTube [17:40] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [17:41] AdmFubar I try to avoid walmart.. like the local specialty stores better [17:41] techrights-news #FOSSlife Team (LPI) promoting #proprietarySoftware of #microsoft and #GPLViolations ... maybe drop the "L" from LPI. You're no "LINUX" proponents... [17:43] techrights-news #raspi adding #microsoft #malware to million of devices (even covertly!) didn't age well. Violation of Debian policies, pushing #proprietarySoftware that spies and, as it now turns out, ALSO GPL violations. http://techrights.org/2021/07/02/adafruit-and-raspi-limited/ [17:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Think Twice Before Buying Raspberry Pi and Adafruit Because They Work for Microsoft and Pass Data to Microsoft (and Even Promote Microsofts Proprietary Software) | Techrights [17:47] schestowitz some american entities are buying up british grocers [17:47] schestowitz hard to keep track of who owns which and where [17:48] techrights-news #phoronix helps #microsoft #vapourware tactics (improper comparisons) and helps by naming attacks on #gnu #linux ... I'm very disappointed [17:50] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153088 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [17:52] DaemonFC some american entities are buying up british grocers [17:52] DaemonFC If your government was smarter, I suppose it would try to stop that. [17:54] techrights-news #Nextcloud Hub 22 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153081#comment-30155 [17:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nextcloud Hub 22 Launches with Approval Workflows, Integrated PDF Signing, and More | Tux Machines [17:55] techrights-news #AIfES for #Arduino http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153089 Arduino alliance with #patent aggressor that needs to #deletegithub #proprietarySoftware [17:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AIfES for Arduino | Tux Machines [17:59] DaemonFC schestowitz, Oh here. Let's let our money flow out of the country because some company that built a big box store with shelves to put the products on is owned by them and they mark everything up and don't do a lot else. ● Jul 06 [18:00] DaemonFC Walmart would be much smaller if they didn't stock so many dumb things. Like 5 brands of ketchup, each in two or three different sizes. [18:00] techrights-news #LinuxFoundation Pushing #Microsoft #Windows and Other Non-Linux Stuff http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153090 #TuxMachines [18:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Pushing Microsoft Windows and Other Non-Linux Stuff | Tux Machines [18:00] techrights-news Linux does not mean #Linux anymore. http://techrights.org/2021/06/23/linux-foundation-and-linux-brand/ #zemlinPAC #linuxfoundation #grifting #abuse [18:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Time for Linus Torvalds to Enforce and Protect His Brand From Misuse by His Employer, the So-called Linux Foundation | Techrights [18:01] DaemonFC Who pays more? You pay more. [18:01] DaemonFC It costs money to manage this needless complexity. To heat and air condition (Okay, well, they solved the air conditioning by turning it off....) the store so they can waste all of this space. [18:02] DaemonFC Who doesn't love coming out of the grocery store looking like they paid to go through a sweat lodge? [18:05] techrights-news REMEMBER: #linux and #linuxfoundation are barely related! They were, originally, but sometimes the latter actively works against the former. It's paid to do this, e.g. by #microsoft http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundatio [18:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundatio - Techrights [18:07] *activelow (~activelow@xihbduzebkbi4.irc) has joined #techrights [18:07] techrights-news #Proxmox Virtual Environment 7.0 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153091 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proxmox Virtual Environment 7.0 released | Tux Machines [18:13] lockeanarchist https://0x0.st/-fls.png [18:13] lockeanarchist wtf [18:14] lockeanarchist https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=open-3d-engine [18:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation Launches Open 3D Foundation, Amazon Lumberyard Spun As Open 3D Engine - Phoronix [18:14] lockeanarchist "Linux" Foundation [18:21] DaemonFC Many workers are being forced back into offices they don't want to go to. [18:21] DaemonFC By bosses that have no idea how to run the company. [18:21] DaemonFC After most of those setups were proven to cost the company more than they were worth. [18:22] DaemonFC Even if productivity from work from home went down slightly, the insane rents and upkeep on running an office take away more from the company. [18:23] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:24] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:24] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [18:24] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [18:25] Ariadne technically, O3DE can be built for Linux [18:25] AdmFubar yeah many city centers that have office space will soon be empty.. [18:25] Ariadne there appears to be files in the repo relating to that [18:26] lockeanarchist https://github.com/o3de/o3de/issues/746 [18:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Editor Issue #746 o3de/o3de GitHub [18:27] lockeanarchist https://github.com/o3de/o3de/issues/745 [18:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Client Runtime Issue #745 o3de/o3de GitHub [18:27] *Ariadne shrugs [18:28] Ariadne i dont really see the point of this project anyway, industry has basically standardized on UE and Unity [18:30] MinceR i'm not sure about the legality of unity on any platform other than windows [18:30] lockeanarchist well... many studios have their own engines [18:31] MinceR and UE doesn't seem to support anything other than windows anymore [18:31] lockeanarchist so, imo, is far from "standardized" [18:31] lockeanarchist UE and Unity are just the most used by indie [18:31] MinceR also, UE is proprietary [18:32] Ariadne UE can build payloads for mac and linux still [18:32] Ariadne yes, proprietary [18:32] lockeanarchist I don't have any faith on Amazon [18:32] Ariadne but nobody will actually use o3de [18:32] lockeanarchist they always ignore Linux [18:32] Ariadne handing it off to LF is a cry for help imo [18:33] gerikson is it like Apache [18:33] Ariadne making game engines isnt exactly an LF specialty [18:33] gerikson where unloved projects go to die [18:33] lockeanarchist Linux foundation is for everything but Linux [18:34] Ariadne gerikson: i've compared LF to ASF before, and there is certainly some element to it [18:34] gerikson heh [18:34] Ariadne lockeanarchist: theres a lot of Linux going on at LF, actually [18:34] Ariadne its just [18:34] Ariadne boring shit [18:34] Ariadne that the marketing department cannot hype [18:35] lockeanarchist "Foundations", they do everything but actually help the development of the project that named them [18:36] Ariadne yeah, the linux foundation doesn't help linux development by paying people to work on it, including linus [18:36] Ariadne you've got it [18:36] lockeanarchist okay, they pay Linus and T'so [18:36] lockeanarchist totally justified [18:37] Ariadne and Greg KH [18:37] Ariadne and Kees Cook [18:37] Ariadne and ... [18:38] MinceR 06 193234 < Ariadne> UE can build payloads for mac and linux still [18:38] MinceR epic doesn't seem to support them anymore [18:38] Ariadne there are certainly valid criticisms of LF, but a decent chunk of the money going out *is* going to FOSS developers [18:39] MinceR they pay gkh to put daemons into the kernel in an attempt to make them perform less poorly [18:42] Ariadne are you referring to kdbus? [18:42] MinceR yes [18:48] Ariadne so, on one hand, having a kernel-mediated bus makes a lot of sense [18:48] AdmFubar https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2021/07/06/owns-basmati-rice-india-pakistan-battle-gi-rights/id=135213/ [18:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipwatchdog.com | Who Owns Basmati Rice? India and Pakistan Battle for GI Rights [18:48] AdmFubar ooops [18:48] Ariadne but on the other hand, dbus sucks, and we already have a solution: binder [18:49] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/kaseya-roughly-1-500-businesses-hit-by-revil-ransomware-attack/ [18:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Kaseya: Roughly 1,500 businesses hit by REvil ransomware attack [18:49] AdmFubar that's better [18:50] MinceR the way they went about it is definitely horrifying [18:51] AdmFubar https://boingboing.net/2021/07/06/norway-law-requires-photoshopped-photos-to-be-disclosed.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=norway-law-requires-photoshopped-photos-to-be-disclosed [18:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | Norway law requires photoshopped pics to be labeled | Boing Boing [18:56] Ariadne bus1 is also crap [18:58] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/05/2352258&from=rss [18:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Humble Bundle Stops Purchasers from Giving Full Payment to Charity - SoylentNews ● Jul 06 [19:00] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/07/03/1459222&from=rss [19:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | New, Deadly Bacteria May be Lurking in US; CDC Warns of Three Puzzling Cases - SoylentNews [19:00] psymin the linux foundation is cozy with amazon? :( [19:01] MinceR it's cozy with any corporation that pays them enough [19:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.93 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 4.53 swarm size (avg): 303.60 [19:02] MinceR AWS is a silver member [19:24] immibis wait until you find out how much google contributes to the linux kernel [19:26] Ariadne wao [19:27] immibis Take note: his mental incapacity, both the inability to judge context and his psychopathy, are common to *all* socialists who are not already living in kibbutzim or communes. There aren't any who are any less mentally crippled than Librarian is demonstrating himself to be here. [19:27] immibis If it's "false," why weren't y ou able to cite any dictionaries that supported your reversal of the definitions of "freedom" and "slavery?" [19:27] immibis what reversal [19:28] immibis pulling accusations out of your ass, again. Take note: his mental incapacity, both the inability to judge context and his psychopathy, are common to *all* socialists who are not already living in kibbutzim or communes. There aren't any who are any less mentally crippled than Librarian is demonstrating himself to be here. [19:38] techrights-news #microsoft #windows https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/kaseya-roughly-1-500-businesses-hit-by-revil-ransomware-attack/ [19:40] schestowitz [19:24] wait until you find out how much google contributes to the linux kernel [19:40] schestowitz https://ubunlog.com/en/por-fin-se-eliminara-speck-el-cifrado-de-la-nsa-en-el-kernel-de-linux/ [19:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Will Speck, the NSA encryption in the Linux kernel, finally be removed? | Ubunlog [19:41] schestowitz Thanks, Google [19:43] DaemonFC https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/01/nowhere-is-safe-say-scientists-as-extreme-heat-causes-chaos-in-us-and-canada [19:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Nowhere is safe, say scientists as extreme heat causes chaos in US and Canada | Climate change | The Guardian [19:44] DaemonFC Our thoughts are with people who have lost loved ones, said Canadas prime minister, Justin Trudeau, warning the blistering temperatures in a region of the country ill-prepared for such heat was a reminder of the need to address the climate crisis. [19:44] DaemonFC --- [19:44] DaemonFC Wasn't he recently saying how outrageous it was that the United States canceled the pipeline for their tar sands oil? [19:45] DaemonFC Also, greenwashing the project and making false claims about job numbers that have already been debunked. [19:45] DaemonFC The main source of pain at the gas pump in Illinois and Indiana recently has been the government increasing the gas taxes. [19:46] DaemonFC By 25 cents a gallon all at once in Indiana and by 40 cents per gallon in Illinois over the course of two fiscal years. [19:47] DaemonFC The federal government has been very stingy with roadd money and if states don't want to put up toll booths, they have to figure out ways to add electric vehicle use taxes and new gasoline taxes. [19:47] DaemonFC And that hurts. It hurts working class people more because they're the ones who have no choice but to do in-person jobs. [19:47] techrights-news "I'm pleased to announce first stable releases of pg_builder and pg_wrapper packages." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_builder-100-and-pg_wrapper-100-packages-for-php-released-2255/ [19:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: pg_builder 1.0.0 and pg_wrapper 1.0.0 packages for PHP released [19:48] DaemonFC The bank manager asked me earlier this year why I was so focused on a credit card with lots of cash back on gasoline, and I said "It might be relatively cheap now, but it won't be soon. [19:48] DaemonFC Who was right? I was right. [19:48] techrights-news #Xfce Development Reports http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153092 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xfce Development Reports | Tux Machines [19:49] DaemonFC We're not much better off now, even with Mandy's raise, than we were during the Coronavirus lockdown, because I could run that old car all day long on gas that was $1.70. [19:49] DaemonFC But it's back up around $3.35 a gallon right now. [19:49] DaemonFC And that's alongside inflation on other essentials. [19:50] DaemonFC Oh yeah, I need to call down to the car repair place and see if they got those parts in. [19:52] immibis schestowitz: if someone actually requests this feature, there is nothing terribly wrong with having it as an option [19:52] techrights-news #pgbuilder 1.0.0 and #pgwrapper 1.0.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153093 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | pg_builder 1.0.0 and pg_wrapper 1.0.0 | Tux Machines [19:52] immibis if someone working in the government space is mandated to use a backdoored cipher, they may as well use it through linux, instead of using a nonfree OS [19:52] DaemonFC schestowitz, Again, at least I put off those headlights. LOL [19:52] DaemonFC My god those things are expensive for what they are. [19:53] DaemonFC You can't just replace the outer plastic. [19:53] immibis it says google wanted to use it. Google would just write their own module anyway, if it wasn't upstream [19:53] techrights-news #linuxfoundation paid-for puff piece from the usual sites http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153090#comment-30156 [19:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Pushing Microsoft Windows and Other Non-Linux Stuff | Tux Machines [19:53] DaemonFC So it was really no big loss when the wreck took those out. They were already getting water in them and fogging up and hazed. [19:57] techrights-news Red Hat Satellite 6.9.3 has been released https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-satellite-693-has-been-released #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/06/#latest [19:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat Satellite 6.9.3 has been released [19:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [19:58] techrights-news Scaling the buzzwords https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/customer-success-stories-devops-scale [19:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Customer success stories: DevOps at scale [19:58] techrights-news #LibreOffice 8.0 UI Mockup http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153094 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 8.0 UI Mockup | Tux Machines [19:59] techrights-news #Ubuntu 21.10 Release Date & Planned Features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153095 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 21.10 Release Date & Planned Features | Tux Machines ● Jul 06 [20:00] schestowitz Google <3 https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/06/28/linux-apps-are-finally-coming-to-skylake-chromebooks/ [20:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Google waited way too long to bring Linux to older Chromebooks [20:01] techrights-news Popular Open Source Tool Audacity in News Again, for all the Wrong Reasons http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153021#comment-30157 [20:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audacity is now a Possible Spyware, Remove it ASAP | Tux Machines [20:02] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/2021/05/04/we-want-plates-05-03-21/ [20:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.com | That's Great, But Can I Get My Food On, You Know, An Actual Plate? (17 Pics) [20:04] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:04] techrights-news Protecting Your Online #Privacy : Three Levels of #Security https://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/security-data-protection/protecting-your-online-privacy-levels-of-security/ fake advice/paths from #tripwire ... #DuckDuckGo gif Git ted tmp Seriously??? http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/duckduckgo-in-2021/ [20:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tripwire.com | Protecting Your Online Privacy: Three Levels of Security [20:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why You Should Avoid DuckDuckGo (DDG) 2021 Edition, Now Microsoft-Hosted and With Extra Privacy Risks | Techrights [20:04] *activelow (~activelow@476sd4tfa7rhc.irc) has joined #techrights [20:04] techrights-news "This is the 41st edition of the #Kafka Monthly Digest. In this edition, Ill cover what happened in the Apache Kafka community in June 2021." https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/kafka-monthly-digest-2021-06/ #ibk [20:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | Kafka Monthly Digest June 2021 IBM Developer [20:05] techrights-news What Should Be a Students First Programming Language? - The New Stack https://thenewstack.io/what-should-be-a-students-first-programming-language/ #thenewstack #programming [20:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io | What Should Be a Students First Programming Language? The New Stack [20:07] techrights-news "It differs, however, in that #Fedora 24 (with Intel Graphics Driver), #Yocto Project, and standard #Linux have equal billing with #vista10 ." http://linuxgizmos.com/whiskey-lake-based-panel-pcs-prep-for-the-operating-room/ [20:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/whiskey-lake-based-panel-pcs-prep-for-the-operating-room/ ) [20:07] Librarian 13:25 < Librarian> But, if all you have is more mental breakdowns in which you regurgitate my sentences as non-sequitur logical fallacies in contexts where they're meaningless, then we'll know you've been driven into cognitive dissonance that's caused a complete psychological break again. Up to you. [20:07] techrights-news #suse shilling #proprietarySoftare for #sap again https://www.suse.com/c/technical-webinar-how-apiphani-delivers-a-superior-end-user-experience-for-sap-applications/ see http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/novell-suse-sap/ [20:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Technical Webinar: How apiphani delivers a superior end-user experience for SAP applications | SUSE Communities [20:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE Said It Was Becoming Independent But Instead It Became Like an Asset of SAP (German Microsoft), Which is Hostile Towards Free Software | Techrights [20:09] techrights-news #suse as a #sap #proprietarySoftware #marketing machine https://www.suse.com/c/suse-partners-with-colombina-to-drive-faster-access-to-business-insight-achieving-8-revenue-growth/ see http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/novell-suse-sap/ [20:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SUSE partners with Colombina to drive faster access to business insight, achieving 8% revenue growth | SUSE Communities [20:10] techrights-news Growing a KDE Video Community: My Experiment //www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgvHmO1SPQw #kde #gnu #linux [20:11] techrights-news "Remote sketchbook offers synchronization between the #Arduino IDE 2 beta and Arduino Clown. This powerful new feature now means you can work on your code from literally anywhere and everywhere." https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/07/06/work-on-your-arduino-sketches-from-anywhere-with-remote-sketchbook/ [20:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Work on your Arduino sketches from anywhere with remote sketchbook [20:13] techrights-news RAKwireless announces 14 new #WisBlock modules for IoT prototyping - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/07/06/rakwireless-14-new-wisblock-modules-for-iot-prototyping/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/06/#latest [20:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | RAKwireless announces 14 new WisBlock modules for IoT prototyping - CNX Software [20:14] techrights-news #Keyboardio Model 100 wooden keyboard runs open-source Arduino firmware (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/07/06/keyboardio-model-100-wooden-keyboard-runs-open-source-arduino-firmware/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware [20:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Keyboardio Model 100 wooden keyboard runs open-source Arduino firmware (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software [20:15] techrights-news "In GTK4 the dedicated GtkToolbar is gone, replaced by GtkBox with a style of "toolbar". The spelling dialog now supports this conversion" http://caolanm.blogspot.com/2021/07/gtk4-adapting-to-toolbar-changes.html #GTK4 #LibreOffice [20:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-caolanm.blogspot.com | Caoln McNamara: GTK4: Adapting to Toolbar changes [20:16] techrights-news Online meeting of the Spanish-speaking #LibreOffice community https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/07/06/online-meeting-of-the-spanish-speaking-libreoffice-community/ [20:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Online meeting of the Spanish-speaking LibreOffice community - The Document Foundation Blog [20:17] techrights-news "The #Ubuntu in the wild blog post ropes in the latest highlights about Ubuntu and Canonical around the world on a bi-weekly basis. It is a summary of all the things that made us feel proud to be part of this journey. What do you think of it?" https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-in-the-wild-11 [20:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu in the wild 06th of July | Ubuntu [20:18] techrights-news Daniel Stenberg: curl reaches 100K raised https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/07/06/curl-reaches-100k-raised/ enough money to reduce dependence on #microsoft #proprietarysoftware #monopoly and #deletegithub [20:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-curl reaches 100K raised | daniel.haxx.se [20:18] techrights-news Why you need to use Kubernetes schema validation tools | https://opensource.com/article/21/7/kubernetes-schema-validation #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux [20:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why you need to use Kubernetes schema validation tools | Opensource.com [20:19] techrights-news Edit PDFs on the Linux command line | https://opensource.com/article/21/7/qpdf-command-line #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux [20:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Edit PDFs on the Linux command line | Opensource.com [20:19] techrights-news Send and receive #Gmail from the Linux command line | https://opensource.com/article/21/7/gmail-linux-terminal #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM [20:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Send and receive Gmail from the Linux command line | Opensource.com [20:21] techrights-news #EndlessOS #greenwashing https://tecnocode.co.uk/2021/07/06/how-your-organisations-equipment-policy-can-impact-the-environment/ [20:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tecnocode.co.uk | How your organisations equipment policy can impact the environment | Philip Withnall [20:24] techrights-news IBM-funded publisher on IBM amid disarray http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152960#comment-30158 #bribery #ibm #zdnet #corruptmedia [20:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Jim Whitehurst Leaves IBM | Tux Machines [20:26] techrights-news More #openwashing puff pieces from 'Linux' Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153090#comment-30159 [20:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Pushing Microsoft Windows and Other Non-Linux Stuff | Tux Machines [20:30] techrights-news Windows only = Linux Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153090#comment-30161 [20:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Pushing Microsoft Windows and Other Non-Linux Stuff | Tux Machines [20:38] techrights-news #LibreOffice: QA, Spanish-speaking LibreOffice Community, and GTK4: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153096 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice: QA, Spanish-speaking LibreOffice Community, and GTK4: | Tux Machines [20:39] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153097 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [20:39] techrights-news Master #TouchTyping on Linux With #KTouch http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153098 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Master Touch Typing on Linux With KTouch | Tux Machines [20:42] techrights-news #italy #spain #BORING [20:43] techrights-news These boards contain back doors. They CAN also have #linux on them, but the back doors cannot be removed/disabled. http://linuxgizmos.com/3-5-inch-tiger-lake-sbc-offers-quad-displays-2-5gbe-and-m-2-with-pcie-gen4/ [20:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/3-5-inch-tiger-lake-sbc-offers-quad-displays-2-5gbe-and-m-2-with-pcie-gen4/ ) [20:43] techrights-news #Virtuozzo VzLinux 8.4 Now Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153099 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Virtuozzo VzLinux 8.4 Now Available | Tux Machines [20:44] techrights-news #canonical : people are dying, so buy our shit https://ubuntu.com//blog/finserv-open-source-infrastructure-powers-digital-transformation [20:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Finserv open source infrastructure powers digital transformation | Ubuntu [20:44] techrights-news #rakulang #programming "A few commits ago #lizmat taught next to take an argument. I started to play with this and found that not all loops are created equal." https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2021/07/06/the-next-fast-thing/ [20:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gfldex.wordpress.com | The next fast thing | Playing Perl 6b6xA Raku [20:46] techrights-news #microsoft criminals cheated with the Orange Nazi https://www.wsj.com/articles/pentagon-plans-reboot-of-jedi-cloud-contract-11625589039 [20:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pentagon Scraps JEDI in Win for Amazon at Microsofts Expense - WSJ [20:49] techrights-news The way things are looking, #england has a good chance of finally bagging an international trophy. Bring the matches to #manchester though: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/07/06/manchester-football/ [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Manchester is a Football Capital and Deserves to Hold More International Matches Than Wembley (London) [20:49] techrights-news #ProprietarySoftware: Microsoft Catastrophes and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153100 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software: Microsoft Catastrophes and More | Tux Machines [20:50] techrights-news We're moving to fibre-optics at home later this month. Should help #techrights in a lot of ways: #ipfs #gemini video uploads etc. [20:56] techrights-news #Ubuntu and #EndlessOS : Finservs, Ubuntu in the Wild, and Endless OS Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153101 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu and Endless OS: 'Finservs', Ubuntu in the Wild, and Endless OS Foundation | Tux Machines [20:56] techrights-news "Linux" means Windows when something called #linuxfoundation hijacks the brand http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [20:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [20:58] techrights-news Convert and Optimize #Ebooks in Linux - Linux Hint https://linuxhint.com/convert-and-optimize-ebooks-in-linux/ #LinuxHint #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/06/#latest [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhint.com | Convert and Optimize Ebooks in Linux Linux Hint [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts ● Jul 06 [21:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.31 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.11 swarm size (avg): 303.49 [21:03] techrights-news #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153102 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:04] MinceR https://donjon.ledger.com/kaspersky-password-manager/ https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/1412411435842519049?s=19 [21:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-donjon.ledger.com | Kaspersky Password Manager: All your passwords are belong to us | Donjon [21:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthew_d_green: I was going to laugh off this Kaspersky password manager bug, but it is *amazing*. In the sense that Ive never see https://t.co/yEDG1zWpdy [21:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthew_d_green: I was going to laugh off this Kaspersky password manager bug, but it is *amazing*. In the sense that Ive never see https://t.co/yEDG1zWpdy [21:05] techrights-news #Kaspersky working for #putin https://donjon.ledger.com/kaspersky-password-manager/ https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/1412411435842519049?s=19 [21:05] techrights-news Quit using #proprietarySoftware and #clownComputing ... the only person with access to your passwords should be you... on your own machine, now "clown" [21:09] techrights-news The biggest "clown" growth will be the moment laptops and desktops too are rebranded and reclaffieid #clownComputing ... and Vista+ChromeOS are close to that [21:09] techrights-news #Devices With #Linux and #OpenHardware With Arduino http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153103 #TuxMachines [21:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices With Linux and Open Hardware With Arduino | Tux Machines [21:10] techrights-news #Mozilla Localization (L10N): Better Understanding Pontoon Notifications to Improve Them https://blog.mozilla.org/l10n/2021/07/06/better-understanding-pontoon-notifications-to-improve-them/ [21:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Better Understanding Pontoon Notifications to Improve Them | Mozilla L10N [21:11] techrights-news Under #ibm #fedora became small: "In June, we published 15 posts. The site had 3,060 visits from 1,777 unique viewers. 108 visits came from Twitter, while 44 came from Fedora Planet, and 35 came from the WordPress Android App." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/community-blog-monthly-summary-june-2021/ [21:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Community Blog monthly summary: June 2021 Fedora Community Blog [21:12] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [21:13] DaemonFC WGN (or was it ABC 7....anyway) reported that Aunt Jemima's fake nasty pancake syrup is now Pearl Milling Company and that racism is over. [21:13] DaemonFC Ahhh, woke capitalism. [21:13] techrights-news Arm chief hits out at 'ill-informed speculation' over proposed #Nvidia buyout The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/05/arm_chief_nvidia_buyout/ #theregister | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/06/#latest [21:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Arm chief hits out at 'ill-informed speculation' over proposed Nvidia buyout The Register [21:13] DaemonFC I'm sure that mjg59 will be glad that fake pancake syrup, which is targeted mostly at low income blacks, and is a contributing factor to diabetes and obesity, is now renamed. [21:14] MinceR and here i thought that renaming the master branch to "main" solved racism already [21:14] MinceR it increasingly seems like it didn't [21:14] MinceR so why did they do it? [21:14] DaemonFC Because everything is racist. [21:15] DaemonFC And when you give a mouse a cookie, it'll want a glass of milk. [21:15] MinceR time to destroy the universe, then [21:17] techrights-news #Windows perishing in servers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153100#comment-30164 [21:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software: Microsoft Catastrophes and More | Tux Machines [21:19] DaemonFC https://www.wane.com/news/national-world/as-employers-struggle-to-fill-jobs-teens-come-to-the-rescue/ [21:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As employers struggle to fill jobs, teens come to the rescue | WANE 15 [21:20] DaemonFC schestowitz, More "unbelievable economic miracle" narrative. [21:21] DaemonFC "Foreign workers, brought in on J-1 work-and-study visas, typically filled many such summer jobs. But President Donald Trump suspended those visas as a coronavirus precaution, and the number of U.S.-issued J-1 visas tumbled 69% in the fiscal 2020 year to 108,510, from 353,279 the year before. [21:21] DaemonFC In past years, for example, foreigners visiting the U.S. on visas took filled 180 summer jobs at Big Kahunas water park in Destin, Florida. Last year, there were just three. This year, eight. Desperate to attract local teens, Big Kahunas, which is owned by Boomers Parks, is now paying $12 an hour, up from less than $10 an hour in past years." [21:21] techrights-news #Arduino gets AI framework, from #Fraunhofer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153089#comment-30165 #deletegithub [21:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AIfES for Arduino | Tux Machines [21:21] DaemonFC With a big side of "Immigrants took our jerbs. DERKA DERR!". [21:22] techrights-news Proxmox Virtual Environment 7.0 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153091#comment-30166 [21:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proxmox Virtual Environment 7.0 released | Tux Machines [21:23] techrights-news #HowTo Set Up a #RaspberryPi #WebServer in 2021 [Guide] | Beebom https://beebom.com/how-set-up-raspberry-pi-web-server/ #beebom | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/06/#latest [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Set Up a Raspberry Pi Web Server in 2021 [Guide] | Beebom [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [21:24] techrights-news This actually requires that the user fetches malicious software or uses an already-compromised machine https://www.hackread.com/redhat-debian-linux-distributions-darkradiation-ransomware/ [21:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hackread.com | DarkRadiation ransomware targeting RedHat, Debian Linux distributions [21:26] techrights-news #italy up against #spain , up one goal... probably easier for #england if it makes it to the final. [21:27] techrights-news "Join Eva as she discusses growing up with cryptography, the troubling issue of stalkerware, how to get started in cybersecurity " https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2021/07/05/s3-ep-39-5-a-conversation-with-eva-galperin-podcast/ [21:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com | S3 Ep 39.5: A conversation with Eva Galperin [Podcast] Naked Security [21:27] techrights-news #proprietarySoftware https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/06/british_airways_data_breach_lawsuit_settled/ [21:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | British Airways data breach lawsuit settled: Airline coughs up potentially millions to make sueball bounce away The Register [21:28] schestowitz DaemonFC: let's talk tech [21:28] schestowitz you've changed the subject a LOT [21:33] techrights-news #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153104 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:33] techrights-news Todays #HowTos and #programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153105 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos and programming | Tux Machines [21:34] DaemonFC I liked how the media connected Trump to a $2 an hour wage increase (by stoking racism and anti-immigrant sentiment) when the state of Illinois just passed a law that gave most people working jobs like that $5. [21:34] DaemonFC Like, you know, they have to pay that to anyone who gets the job because....law. [21:36] DaemonFC And they have the money. Even theme parks. I mean, they don't have to pay people $10 an hour. They make all kinds of money. You know how much markup they get on things? You pay for tickets an then you get there and they upsell you a "line skipper pass" and you go "Hey, that is a nice feature. If we pay these people more we won't have to stand behind those other people!" and then there's like $9 hot dogs and $5 Cokes and stuff. [21:37] DaemonFC I don't know why people even go to amusement parks, honestly. Many are not built well. You see injuries and deaths in the news all the time, and they just get to keep running them like that anyway. [21:38] DaemonFC "Wendys, which relies on teens to salt fries and ring up orders, added a way for applicants to apply for a job through their smartphones. Applicants are screened using artificial intelligence, which gets them to an interview faster than if they uploaded a resume. The idea is to hire them before another employer can." [21:38] DaemonFC There's on topic, schestowitz [21:38] DaemonFC Wendys hires people and the decider is Hey Hi! [21:39] DaemonFC You know what says "This business is all about people!"? Have a computer program decide if you're worth hiring or not! [21:40] DaemonFC My god, not even Walmart has gone there yet, but they're close. They have a mostly-online hiring process, but you still do an interview with an actual person. [21:40] DaemonFC Also, since when has a hamburger joint worried if someone else hires an applicant first? [21:41] DaemonFC If you had lots of options, you probably wouldn't be dropping an application at a hamburger joint. [21:41] DaemonFC schestowitz, I think we should just make a collective agreement to regress technologically. [21:42] DaemonFC Nokia 3000 series phones, MP3 stores, in-person hiring.... [21:42] schestowitz DaemonFC: let's cooperate on some article [21:42] schestowitz pick a topic [21:42] schestowitz enough of life gossip [21:42] schestowitz we can make better use of this platform [21:43] schestowitz you told me about another aspects of tech on car we should cover in a part 2 [21:43] schestowitz but I forgot what it was [21:43] DaemonFC Well, there's the insurance devices/apps that spy on you promising discounts and then that can backfire horribly. [21:43] DaemonFC They say in the tiny print you may save 10%, or you may pay 26% more. [21:43] schestowitz yeah [21:43] schestowitz I don't know enough about it [21:43] DaemonFC That's kind of a "You have more to lose than they do." proposition. [21:44] schestowitz my friend who's a uni prof told me [21:44] schestowitz you get discounts to be spied on [21:44] schestowitz or conversely, they rip you off for NOT installing one [21:44] DaemonFC I just don't believe my privacy is worth a 10% discount on some car insurance that probably costs me $900 a year. [21:44] DaemonFC But, in fact, it won't even be that. [21:44] schestowitz can you tell me if it's always "app"? [21:44] DaemonFC 10% is the most you can save. And you may pay a LOT more than if you'd never signed up. [21:45] DaemonFC Put otherwise, "You might save up to $90, or you may pay up to $260 more per year if you put this device on your car, but either way you tell us all sorts of things about you.". [21:45] schestowitz do you get penalised for turning it off? [21:45] schestowitz how do they know you drive without it? [21:46] DaemonFC can you tell me if it's always "app"? [21:46] DaemonFC With Root it's an app, with Progressive or Geico it's either an app or a device plugged into the vehicle diagnostic port that you send back to them when they're done. [21:46] DaemonFC They say it goes for a test period, which is certainly true if you don't have the device anymore, but with an app....who really knows? [21:47] DaemonFC do you get penalised for turning it off? [21:47] DaemonFC With MetroMile, you pay by the mile, and you pay the maximum daily rate of 300 miles each day it's not plugged in. [21:47] techrights-news Links 6/7/2021: Proxmox Virtual Environment 7.0 and Virtuozzo VzLinux 8.4 http://techrights.org/2021/07/06/virtuozzo-vzlinux-8-4/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/06/virtuozzo-vzlinux-8-4/ [21:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 6/7/2021: Proxmox Virtual Environment 7.0 and Virtuozzo VzLinux 8.4 | Techrights [21:48] DaemonFC And you have to leave it plugged in permanently with MetroMile, but they say if a mechanic or a smog testing site takes it out for a few hours, you're fine. [21:48] DaemonFC Just make sure to get it back and plug it in again. [21:48] schestowitz wow [21:48] schestowitz do you do this? [21:48] schestowitz it got a lot worse than when I last checked... [21:48] DaemonFC I've done MetroMile before with the Crown Victoria when I lived in Chicago and barely drove. [21:48] schestowitz it's like those proctoring malware things... [21:48] DaemonFC I mostly paid the base rate of like $15 a month at that time but 2.2 cents per mile (daily cap of 300 miles billed...they stop charging affter that). [21:49] DaemonFC So my bills worked out to like $20 a month or so. [21:49] schestowitz do you know some articles about this? [21:49] schestowitz esp. the legal aspects? [21:49] DaemonFC At the time, the other insurers wanted like $80+ for minimum coverage, so it was a substantial savings. [21:49] schestowitz and the ethical issues? [21:49] schestowitz I saw none [21:49] DaemonFC how do they know you drive without it? [21:49] schestowitz (our last article was well received) [21:50] DaemonFC The OBD II port maintains power to the device. [21:50] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153106 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [21:50] DaemonFC It wakes up and talks to them over the cell network every so often and then goes back to sleep. [21:50] schestowitz horrible [21:50] DaemonFC So it's plugged into your car and it's hooked up to the cell network. [21:51] DaemonFC It has an LTE modem in each unit. [21:51] DaemonFC If you cancel your policy they send you a device return kit, postage paid, and you get 30 days to get it back, or pay a $150 penalty. [21:52] DaemonFC and the ethical issues? [21:53] DaemonFC Well, at the time I used it, their privacy policy said that they didn't sell your data to others, but privacy policies change all the time, and most include a clause that they either don't have to inform you and that by continuing to use it under a revision to the policy you agree to the new one. [21:53] DaemonFC Or they'll slip you a notification like Comcast did this month. [21:53] DaemonFC Hey, we're putting in a forced arbitration clause on all our customers, and if you use Comcast past July 3rd, you agree. [21:54] DaemonFC Unless you're constantly paying attention for subtle changes to privacy policies for everything you use, a lot of the time you'll miss important changes which are not good for you. Microsoft does this. [21:55] schestowitz Yes, thanks [21:55] schestowitz I will work with your notes [21:55] DaemonFC esp. the legal aspects? [21:55] schestowitz it fascinates me media never covers this (that I know of) [21:55] DaemonFC Insurance laws vary by state, and so what these companies do is they find states that they can easily work in and only offer policies there, or tweak them a little for that state. [21:56] techrights-news GNU has died. https://kduz.com/2021/07/06/gary-gnu-koll/ [21:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gary Gnu Koll | KDUZ [21:56] DaemonFC In big rural states with bad public transit, there's no point to MetroMile even offering policies there. People in Texas drive all over the place. Gas is cheap. The state is huge. There's no bus. [21:56] DaemonFC Or if there is a bus, it's what you'd expect for a red state city. [21:57] DaemonFC MetroMile promotes itself as something that saves you money and nudges you to use the public transit. [21:58] DaemonFC Because if you get around Chicago with the public transit, you're paying them less in car insurance, it's less risk for both of you, and you're saving gas, but you keep the car for when you do need to drive it somewhere. [21:58] DaemonFC schestowitz, There's really no reason for me not to use the public transit to get to Chicago and back. I mean, freeway car accidents are horrific. It's extremely unpleasant to drive in a big city. [21:59] techrights-news #Audacity's user data collection causing consternation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153021#comment-30167 [21:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audacity is now a Possible Spyware, Remove it ASAP | Tux Machines [21:59] DaemonFC But Waukegan is far enough away from Chicago that it has a transit system, but it's not great. [21:59] DaemonFC So the commuter rail into the city and then the city's system to get where I'm going from there is the way to go with Chicago or if I need to go to one of its inner suburbs. ● Jul 06 [22:00] DaemonFC I can just get to the Metra station and then use it as a hub or go to one of the others and continue out from there. [22:00] DaemonFC It takes longer, but I mean, it's not pleasant to drive. I don't like to drive. [22:00] DaemonFC With the high gas prices, you probably shouldn't take the car out of town anyway. [22:00] schestowitz thanks for the info [22:00] schestowitz I'll start writing [22:01] DaemonFC Yep. [22:01] DaemonFC One of my doctors is still doing Zoom and my other one is in Chicago at off a CTA brown line stop. [22:01] DaemonFC So I mean, for now I'm good. Just set up a video call or take the Metra down there for appointments. [22:01] schestowitz some shrinks also use 'online' stuff [22:02] DaemonFC I can't stand driving in Chicago, but I so don't want to go find another doctor. [22:02] schestowitz in NHS some do stuff over the phone [22:02] DaemonFC Especially a lot of the newer ones. Complete hacks. [22:02] schestowitz where possible... and ask to send photos etc to email [22:02] *psydroid_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:02] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:02] *blitzed has quit (Quit: +++ATH0&D2 NO CARRIER NO CAREER) [22:04] DaemonFC As for the Wendy's hiring by "AI" bullshit, that's all it is. Bullshit. [22:04] DaemonFC It's a low wage job with lots of burn and churn. [22:04] *psydroid_ (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [22:05] DaemonFC They figured out a way to weed through people faster and they think they have it down to a process like assembling a hamburger, but in reality I doubt it will work as well. [22:06] DaemonFC I don't know what kind of company would hire someone sight unseen. This all rather sounds like some kind of setup drawn up by a sociopath. [22:07] CParadoxum_ "AI"/"ML"/"Big Data" [22:07] *blitzed (~blitzed@8dwfk4xp6gcce.irc) has joined #techrights [22:07] CParadoxum_ It's all modern snake-oil [22:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [22:07] CParadoxum_ In reality, at-best, it is statistics. [22:07] CParadoxum_ And badly-done for the most part [22:08] techrights-news TIL Jorginho is also Italian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorginho_(footballer,_born_December_1991) [22:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jorginho (footballer, born December 1991) - Wikipedia [22:08] DaemonFC I had basically no idea what I was getting myself into with Mandy. It's like peeling back an onion. I'm amazed that he can project being so well adjusted considering family background. [22:08] DaemonFC From what I can tell, the world is better off for the fact that his dad died a long time ago. [22:09] DaemonFC Yesterday, he was describing his dad killing dogs with boards and the sounds the dogs would make as they died in the back yard. [22:09] DaemonFC Then his dad would cook them up. [22:09] CParadoxum_ jeez [22:09] DaemonFC Mandy said he would go hungry and refuse to eat it. [22:10] schestowitz [22:04] As for the Wendy's hiring by "AI" bullshit, that's all it is. Bullshit. [22:10] DaemonFC From the look on his face and the crying I believe it happened. [22:10] schestowitz less acccountability [22:10] schestowitz they blame "computer" [22:10] schestowitz not racist... or sexist... blame naughty hey hi [22:10] schestowitz same thing the censorship companies do [22:10] DaemonFC So do you suppose that the hiring "AI" is designed with bias? [22:11] DaemonFC I mean, it's probably something they paid for. Not developed in house. Like, here, do this and then don't tell us you did this. [22:11] DaemonFC Plausible deniability. [22:12] DaemonFC I wonder how that complies with Ban the Box laws like we have in Illinois. [22:13] *schestowitz perturbed by the dog story, even if it's just text [22:13] DaemonFC The law says that they can't check your criminal history until they've offered you the job and done an interview, but then they can retract the job offer at that point if they state the reason as being a criminal background. [22:13] DaemonFC * schestowitz perturbed by the dog story, even if it's just text [22:13] DaemonFC It could explain a lot of Maricel's behaviors too. [22:13] CParadoxum_ DaemonFC: All AI is biased [22:13] DaemonFC Different reactions to trauma. There's no telling what that asshole did to her. [22:14] CParadoxum_ It is the modus operandi thereof to an extent [22:14] DaemonFC He chained Mandy up in his bedroom so he couldn't go outside. [22:14] techrights-news Italy 1-1 Spain, but #italy is all curled up like an embryo or frightened toddler, knowing that only penalties give them hope at this stage. Italy in the final = better for #england [22:15] DaemonFC Well, the whole point of ban the box, I think, is so that a job interviewer has to give you a chance to make a good impression before they see your conviction history. [22:15] DaemonFC And that law cannot possibly be obeyed by a computerized hiring process with no interviewer. [22:16] schestowitz DaemonFC: better than incest http://techrights.org/2021/05/23/illusion-of-peace-in-haar/ [22:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 18: Promoting the Illusion of Peace and Haar-mony | Techrights [22:16] DaemonFC So I mean, if Wendys uses this in ban the box states, then they're really flirting with a huge lawsuit and fines. [22:16] DaemonFC And I just wouldn't think it would be worth that. [22:17] techrights-news Jurgen Klinsmann working for #billBC now? [22:19] DaemonFC http://techrights.org/2021/07/06/audacity-diplomacy/ [22:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Audacity Situation Needs More Diplomacy and Less Mob Mentality (We Can Probably Remove the Malicious Features Without Forking) | Techrights [22:19] DaemonFC schestowitz, They have trademarks, so you'd have to remove the malware and call it something else. [22:20] DaemonFC But, it wouldn't be difficult to put in a metapackage that calls whatever you named the other program. [22:20] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [22:21] DaemonFC schestowitz, There was an article about buying a used 2007 Chevy truck and yanking out a hard drive and finding out tons of info about the previous owner that wasn't wiped. [22:22] schestowitz thanks, will add [22:22] DaemonFC I'll try to find it later. [22:22] DaemonFC Vehicles themselves have been doing quite a lot of spying for a while now. [22:23] DaemonFC The OnStar Button in the 2003 Impala still works. [22:23] DaemonFC The law requires them to call emergency services if you press it and ask for it. They can still tell where you are. [22:25] DaemonFC schestowitz, I managed to find parts to fix most of the impact damage. [22:25] DaemonFC Thank goodness that stupid Toyota that hit me rode so low to the ground. [22:26] DaemonFC About another inch up and it would have screwed up my fender too. [22:30] schestowitz http://sportyradar.blogspot.com/p/italy-matches-live-stream-free.html [22:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sportyradar.blogspot.com | Italy Matches Live Stream Free [22:30] schestowitz live [22:30] schestowitz penalty shootout [22:30] DaemonFC I really hope this Zoom Court shit is over by September. [22:31] DaemonFC If those two bastards want to show up I'd rather it be more difficult than less. [22:31] DaemonFC Zoom really has made it easy for the court system to run a rocket docket. [22:31] DaemonFC That's why I'm worried that now that they can run traffic court as a conviction mill they won't ever give it up. [22:33] DaemonFC The Incredibly Deadly Viper (Delta Variant ZOMG!!!111one) is out there after all. https://aaseriesofunfortunateevents.fandom.com/wiki/Incredibly_Deadly_Viper [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-aaseriesofunfortunateevents.fandom.com | Incredibly Deadly Viper | A series of unfortunate events Wiki | Fandom [22:35] DaemonFC The "news" has gone about trying to stoke panic about "Delta Variant" flare ups, while also admitting that it's really not killing people who have been vaccinated. [22:35] DaemonFC It's amazing how they can run bullshit like this all the time, isn't it? [22:42] schestowitz DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/patrick-wallet.jpg [22:45] schestowitz DaemonFC: their media tactics are not helping [22:45] schestowitz because, 1) they make them look not honest [22:46] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:46] schestowitz 2) they make some people feel like vaccines they received are not sort of "invalid" or "expired" [22:46] schestowitz there are more things I wrote about that [22:46] schestowitz but it's OT anyway [22:56] schestowitz DaemonFC: does this look OK to you? http://techrights.org/2021/07/06/automobile-privacy-tax/ [22:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Todays Cars Have a Privacy Tax | Techrights [22:56] schestowitz seems like you have extensive knowledge about those things, unlike me... [22:57] techrights-news Oh, gosh. Why does Josh Landau of #ccia participate in #watchtroll h His predecessor vanished from #PatentProgress after engaging with these #patent extremists... 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