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psydroid | VZS1, that list would be never-ending, because all x86 systems have ME/PSP embedded on the processor and the motherboard, so there is really no way around it | Dec 06 00:00 |
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psydroid | Unless you designed your own x86 system based on an FPGA, I guess | Dec 06 00:00 |
psydroid | But with all the options out there, why bother? | Dec 06 00:01 |
MinceR | all the options for what? | Dec 06 00:01 |
vZS1 | The RISC-V and ARM hardware seem more welcoming to things like (core/libre)boot | Dec 06 00:01 |
psydroid | (mostly) unencumbered hardware | Dec 06 00:02 |
MinceR | most ARM systems are locked down and come with TrustZone | Dec 06 00:03 |
psydroid | but not all of them like with x86 | Dec 06 00:04 |
MinceR | just the ones you can buy | Dec 06 00:04 |
schestowitz | and nvidia coming soon | Dec 06 00:05 |
schestowitz | coming all over the arm | Dec 06 00:05 |
MinceR | ew | Dec 06 00:05 |
schestowitz | nvidia the freedom-loving company | Dec 06 00:05 |
schestowitz | nvidia loves freedom | Dec 06 00:05 |
schestowitz | zemlin: zemlin loves nvidia! | Dec 06 00:05 |
schestowitz | "pay me more" | Dec 06 00:06 |
psydroid | and as far as I know, TrustZone is more like a facility which you can load your own build of ARM Trusted Firmware into | Dec 06 00:06 |
psydroid | I don't see how it's worse than the Intel ME | Dec 06 00:06 |
MinceR | like AMD, they don't really advertise what it does | Dec 06 00:06 |
MinceR | but "Trusted" is already a big red flag | Dec 06 00:06 |
schestowitz | psp | Dec 06 00:06 |
schestowitz | trust | Dec 06 00:06 |
schestowitz | tpm | Dec 06 00:06 |
schestowitz | you need to trust them | Dec 06 00:06 |
schestowitz | because they don't trust you | Dec 06 00:07 |
schestowitz | why not trust those big companies? | Dec 06 00:07 |
schestowitz | it's not like they sell hardware to armies | Dec 06 00:07 |
schestowitz | armies make their own chips | Dec 06 00:07 |
schestowitz | from sand | Dec 06 00:07 |
MinceR | they don't trust you with your own property | Dec 06 00:07 |
schestowitz | no | Dec 06 00:08 |
MinceR | it's hard to build a trustworthy system when the manufacturers of the components won't tell you what their products do | Dec 06 00:08 |
schestowitz | it's not your propety | Dec 06 00:08 |
vZS1 | Some articles on this topic from people with domain knowledge would be nice | Dec 06 00:08 |
schestowitz | you buy the obligation to feed it into the power supple | Dec 06 00:08 |
schestowitz | and not to even modify the chips | Dec 06 00:08 |
schestowitz | that would be "AYE PEE" infringement | Dec 06 00:08 |
schestowitz | and there are laws for that | Dec 06 00:08 |
schestowitz | some people arrested already | Dec 06 00:09 |
vZS1 | I would like to read how to get stuff like libreboot installed on more devices | Dec 06 00:09 |
schestowitz | https://dwaves.de/2020/12/03/libreboot-lvm-encrypted-volumes-needs-correct-cmos-clock-time-volume-group-not-found-failed-to-read-int-token-error-parsing-metadata/ | Dec 06 00:09 |
schestowitz | (new) | Dec 06 00:09 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-» LibreBoot – LVM encrypted volumes needs correct CMOS clock time – Volume Group not found – failed to read int token error parsing metadata | dwaves.de | Dec 06 00:09 | |
psydroid | VZS1, over in #talos-workstation we are talking about overcoming the trusting trust problem first hypothesised by Ken Thompson | Dec 06 00:30 |
psydroid | so yes, we would have to look at the whole stack of software and hardware and possibly build our own | Dec 06 00:31 |
schestowitz | vZS1: you got s reply | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > I believe very strongly they are still based primarily on Gitlab. | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > Systemd is based on GitHub, most of Freedesktop.org's GitHub says it's a | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > mirror and I believe that is accurate. | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > I'd like to know if Freedesktop moves to GitHub, though except for | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > systemd (which isn't new) I don't think that's happened. | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > vZS1 | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > Wait wut | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > Dec 04 18:35 | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-041220.html#tDec | Dec 06 00:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, December 04, 2020 | Dec 06 00:37 | |
schestowitz | > 04 18:35:09> | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > vZS1 | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > Freedesktop moved to ShitLab | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > Dec 04 18:35 | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-041220.html#tDec | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > 04 18:35:31> | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > vZS1 | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > The old bugs are still on bugzilla | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > Dec 04 18:35 | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-041220.html#tDec | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > 04 18:35:42> | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > vZS1 | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > When did that happen | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > Oops, sorry-- that was about bugzilla. Yes, hilariously (or sadly) they | Dec 06 00:37 |
schestowitz | > are on GitHub. | Dec 06 00:37 |
vZS1 | schestowitz: yeah. I've got them via email | Dec 06 00:38 |
vZS1 | psydroid: I can join the channel as an observer | Dec 06 00:39 |
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schestowitz | > SFC: Sponsor-Fellating... | Dec 06 00:41 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 06 00:41 |
schestowitz | > I could continue but it won't get any nicer. | Dec 06 00:41 |
MinceR | :) | Dec 06 00:43 |
psydroid | vZS1, I am calling it a night, but do feel free to ask questions there as there are so many knowledgeable people united around the idea of owner controlled computers (and not just those based on IBM POWER) | Dec 06 00:59 |
vZS1 | I'll keep an eye on the chat (: | Dec 06 01:00 |
psydroid | alright :) | Dec 06 01:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | (CNN)President Donald Trump on Saturday called Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, pushing him to convince state legislators to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's win in the state, a source familiar with the conversation told CNN. | Dec 06 01:13 |
DaemonFC[m] | Trump asked Kemp to call a special session and convince state legislators to select their own electors that would support him, according to the source. He also asked the Republican governor to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures. | Dec 06 01:13 |
DaemonFC[m] | Kemp explained that he did not have the authority to order such an audit and denied the request to call a special session, the source said. | Dec 06 01:13 |
DaemonFC[m] | --- | Dec 06 01:15 |
DaemonFC[m] | CNN previously reported that Trump had recently bashed Kemp, who is a supporter of his, as a "moron" and a "nut job" during another phone call. And earlier this week, the President publicly criticized the governor in an interview on Fox News, saying he was "ashamed" he had endorsed Kemp. | Dec 06 01:15 |
MinceR | lol | Dec 06 01:16 |
DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: You're a moron and a nutcase. Now I need these two really big favors that are kind of illegal. | Dec 06 01:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | :) | Dec 06 01:28 |
MinceR | lol | Dec 06 01:28 |
MinceR | what could possibly go wrong? | Dec 06 01:29 |
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DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Just to piss off my parents I just don't even call him Trump anymore. | Dec 06 02:15 |
DaemonFC[m] | I just call it the outgoing regime. | Dec 06 02:15 |
MinceR | :> | Dec 06 02:15 |
MinceR | LOTUS | Dec 06 02:15 |
DaemonFC[m] | Like many other Americans who will get their eviction notice in January. | Dec 06 02:15 |
DaemonFC[m] | Pack your shit and get out. | Dec 06 02:15 |
MinceR | (Loser Of The United States) | Dec 06 02:16 |
DaemonFC[m] | Just throw all his belongings on Black Lives Matter Plaza. | Dec 06 02:16 |
DaemonFC[m] | :D | Dec 06 02:16 |
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DaemonFC[m] | I might look into Fedora 33 a bit on the new system. | Dec 06 05:08 |
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chovy | howdy | Dec 06 05:53 |
search_social | hi | Dec 06 05:56 |
schestowitz | 0/ | Dec 06 06:24 |
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schestowitz | Re: DMCA exemptions submissions - SFC and SFC "new strategy for GPL ENFORCEMENT" | Dec 06 07:17 |
schestowitz | > Hi! | Dec 06 07:17 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > Look, I think I found a match! | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > https://sfconservancy.org/news/2020/oct/01/new-copyleft-strategy-launched-with-ARDC-grant/ | Dec 06 07:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | Conservancy Announces New Strategy for GPL Enforcement and Related Work, Receives Grant from ARDC - Software Freedom Conservancy | Dec 06 07:18 | |
schestowitz | > | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > The SFC new strategy for GPL ENFORCEMENT... | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > Conservancy Announces New Strategy for GPL Enforcement and Related Work, Receives Grant from ARDC | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > Exemption proposal: | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > https://www.copyright.gov/1201/2021/petitions/proposed/New%20Pet.%20-%20Software%20Freedom%20Conservancy%20-%201.pdf | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > Yes. The Proposed exemption is definitely self-serving - maybe especially now SFC got a grant. | Dec 06 07:18 |
schestowitz | > To be sure, I will be submitting comments to the copyright office about this! | Dec 06 07:18 |
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vZS1 | schestowitz: you know they're evil. Look at all those spaces in the URI. The "%20"s. Spawn of Satan. | Dec 06 07:59 |
schestowitz | maybe the Copyright Office renamed it | Dec 06 08:00 |
schestowitz | or maybe SFC used a filename like this | Dec 06 08:00 |
schestowitz | "New Pet. - Software Freedom Conservancy - 1.pdf" | Dec 06 08:01 |
schestowitz | UTF-8 | Dec 06 08:01 |
schestowitz | www.copyright.gov Cloudflare, Inc. | Dec 06 08:01 |
search_social | what's wrong with it | Dec 06 08:02 |
schestowitz | made with PDFium | Dec 06 08:02 |
schestowitz | with which part, search_social ? | Dec 06 08:03 |
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search_social | why is the exemption self-serving | Dec 06 08:07 |
schestowitz | explained in yesterday's post: | Dec 06 08:09 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/12/05/dmca-sfc/ | Dec 06 08:10 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Closer Look at Richard Stallman’s Ousters From Inside the Free Software Foundation (Board) | Techrights | Dec 06 08:10 | |
schestowitz | HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI (AI) SPAM. "As per EPO (European Patent Office) estimates, patent application in the region..." | Dec 06 08:16 |
schestowitz | HEY HI HARDWARE! Everything is HEY HI now! Even Clown Computing and chips... HEY HI https://tristateobserver.com/uncategorized/137337/ai-chipsets-market-is-booming-worldwide-according-to-a-new-research-report/ | Dec 06 08:16 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tristateobserver.com | AI Chipsets Market is Booming Worldwide According to a New Research Report – Tri State Observer | Dec 06 08:16 | |
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Mogzagain | hi Roy | Dec 06 11:37 |
Mogzagain | I'd just emailed you back, but something's doing my head in a bit, lol, so I just thought I'd pop in here instead | Dec 06 11:37 |
Mogzagain | I'm female, and the article refers to me as a male artist, eek | Dec 06 11:37 |
Mogzagain | Is it possible to edit that? | Dec 06 11:38 |
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vZS1 | schestowitz: ping (see Mog's message) | Dec 06 12:02 |
vZS1 | Mogzagain: I like the art btw. | Dec 06 12:03 |
Mogzagain | Thanks vZS1, and really glad you like the art | Dec 06 12:04 |
vZS1 | Mogzagain: do you use PGP-encrypted email? | Dec 06 12:16 |
Mogzagain | I use Posteo, and I think that is, probably ... lol, not sure; it has all kinds of really good encryption | Dec 06 12:17 |
vZS1 | Because I was forwarded a message you sent to Roy. I can mail you my contact details, if you like. | Dec 06 12:17 |
vZS1 | Just letting you know | Dec 06 12:18 |
Mogzagain | I see; yes, when you'd been in chat previously and we'd talked about art, you'd said you'd like something uplifting about the last year or two, so I remembered that and asked Roy to forward you a copy of the painting | Dec 06 12:19 |
Mogzagain | And thanks for offering to email; that's great. | Dec 06 12:19 |
vZS1 | I'll send you a ping over email. Redundancy, in case you can't get a hold of me here. | Dec 06 12:21 |
Mogzagain | Thanks! | Dec 06 12:21 |
Mogzagain | Are you saying you've lost your job, or have I misunderstood? | Dec 06 12:22 |
vZS1 | No | Dec 06 12:22 |
Mogzagain | phew, that's good | Dec 06 12:22 |
Mogzagain | I've only used email in the most direct way, eek, so am looking up about pinging now. Not sure what'll happen, lol. Such an artist! | Dec 06 12:23 |
vZS1 | This definition: the provision of additional or duplicate systems, equipment, etc., that function in case an operating part or system fails | Dec 06 12:25 |
vZS1 | Mogzagain: ping is just an informal thing. It's a normal email. (: | Dec 06 12:25 |
Mogzagain | I see! | Dec 06 12:25 |
Mogzagain | the article I found was so complex, it threw me, lol | Dec 06 12:25 |
vZS1 | Sent the email btw | Dec 06 12:26 |
Mogzagain | I see it; thanks! | Dec 06 12:27 |
Mogzagain | it's just come through | Dec 06 12:27 |
vZS1 | If you're on GNU/Linux, I can teach you how to use GnuPG to encrypt your email. | Dec 06 12:27 |
vZS1 | It's just a few command line inputs | Dec 06 12:27 |
Mogzagain | That's a very kind offer, but I think Posteo does that, tbh ... unless there's a way to check that via the few lines? I feel like I should put up an alert sign or something, as I'm so non-tech, lol | Dec 06 12:28 |
vZS1 | It may well do PGP. I don't know anything about Posteo. | Dec 06 12:29 |
Mogzagain | I'm just checking about it's methods ... | Dec 06 12:29 |
Mogzagain | Access to our server occurs fundamentally over encrypted TLS connections. We secure this additionally with "Perfect Forward Secrecy" technology (PFS) and DANE/TLSA. PFS effectively prevents the possibility that logged connection information could be mass-decrypted by a third party. DANE verifies the authenticity of our server. | Dec 06 12:30 |
vZS1 | Look up "PGP public key" in the docs. | Dec 06 12:30 |
Mogzagain | Strict Transport Security (HSTS) and DANE/TLSA is referenced | Dec 06 12:30 |
vZS1 | That's not end-to-end encryption | Dec 06 12:31 |
vZS1 | That's just transport layer encryption (: | Dec 06 12:31 |
Mogzagain | :-( | Dec 06 12:31 |
Mogzagain | there were some extra settings within Posteo to turn stuff on, so I'll just check that too | Dec 06 12:31 |
vZS1 | Try to find the words "PGP" or "GPG" | Dec 06 12:31 |
vZS1 | Btw, you don't have to do this now. Just let me know when you're interested to learn and I can guide you through it some time | Dec 06 12:32 |
Mogzagain | thanks; so far I've found the encryption section, that references crypto mail storage ... | Dec 06 12:32 |
Mogzagain | which I activated | Dec 06 12:32 |
Mogzagain | it's saying TLS-sending guarantee ensures always using encrypted transport route to send emails | Dec 06 12:33 |
vZS1 | Give me a sec | Dec 06 12:33 |
vZS1 | I need my keyboard for this | Dec 06 12:33 |
Mogzagain | they say they won't send the email if they can't create an encrypted connection | Dec 06 12:33 |
Mogzagain | okay :-) | Dec 06 12:34 |
Mogzagain | oops, I hadn't switched that on, lol, the non-sending bit | Dec 06 12:34 |
Mogzagain | SSLv3 isn't tolerated, they say, by them | Dec 06 12:34 |
Mogzagain | there's a PGP section! | Dec 06 12:34 |
Mogzagain | yay | Dec 06 12:34 |
Mogzagain | they say ... install the open source add-on Mailvelope in order to use genuine end-to-end encryption when working in webmail interface, and they link to instructions | Dec 06 12:35 |
vZS1 | So there are a few things going on here all of which are encryption | Dec 06 12:35 |
Mogzagain | that's good, and I'm glad you asked, as this Mailvelope isn't installed, so not end to end, as you said | Dec 06 12:35 |
vZS1 | TLS/SSL is just encrypting the data while it's being transported. But that data is decrypted as soon as it gets to the client from the server | Dec 06 12:36 |
Mogzagain | okay | Dec 06 12:37 |
vZS1 | PGP (OpenPGP, to be precise) only allows decryption by intended recipeints. You need to encrypt the data specifically for a public key belonging to someone's PGP keyset. | Dec 06 12:38 |
Mogzagain | okay | Dec 06 12:38 |
vZS1 | So say, once you set up GnuPG (an OpenPGP implementation), you could use the public key of someone (and your already generated GnuPG secret key) to encrypt a file so that only the intended recipient can decrypt the file. | Dec 06 12:39 |
vZS1 | You could then just attach that file to an email using any client | Dec 06 12:39 |
vZS1 | Only the intended recipient can decrypt that message | Dec 06 12:39 |
Mogzagain | I'm surprised a bit that they're suggesting a Firefox add-on, lol, but they've put illustrations showing how to generate a key, then enter email address and choose a password for access to private key, leaving the name field empty for anonymity. It continues, but a bit complicated, eek. | Dec 06 12:40 |
Mogzagain | Always good to find illustrations, lol, so they do go on to demonstrate how to send public key to others, so they can encrypt emails to me | Dec 06 12:41 |
vZS1 | I would suggest against using a third party client for PGP email. GnuPG can be used to encrypt a file from the command line and then you can just send that file as an attachment. That way your encryption keys don't get uploaded anywhere (this defeats the whole purpose of PGP). | Dec 06 12:41 |
Mogzagain | yes, that's concerning me, the using of a FF add-on. I'm actually in waterfox, not because I want to be, but because I'm unsure anything else is any more secure. just found a Brave appimage, as I don't want to install it, but I've only run it briefly once, as I want to read around and check up on it | Dec 06 12:42 |
Mogzagain | which browser do you use? | Dec 06 12:43 |
vZS1 | I have access to all the common browsers | Dec 06 12:43 |
Mogzagain | great | Dec 06 12:43 |
vZS1 | You don't need any addons to do PGP btw | Dec 06 12:43 |
vZS1 | GnuPG should already be installed on your GNU/Linux distro | Dec 06 12:43 |
vZS1 | Just encrypt files with that and then you can attach them to an email you send. | Dec 06 12:44 |
vZS1 | Thus the contents of the email are encrypted | Dec 06 12:44 |
Mogzagain | that sounds great; I'll take a look at it at some point | Dec 06 12:44 |
vZS1 | And you retain control of your PGP keys (GnuPG stores them on your disk) | Dec 06 12:44 |
Mogzagain | good that there's backup for the email, for sure | Dec 06 12:45 |
Mogzagain | and to avoid a Firefox add-on! | Dec 06 12:45 |
vZS1 | Good stuff. Let me know if you get stuck :) | Dec 06 12:45 |
Mogzagain | Thanks! :-) | Dec 06 12:45 |
vZS1 | Yes. Do not trust any third-party with your PGP keys | Dec 06 12:45 |
vZS1 | They should only be on your disk and no where else | Dec 06 12:45 |
Mogzagain | may I ask what your view of Brave is? Is it something that would be better than Waterfox? | Dec 06 12:45 |
Mogzagain | Will be sure to keep any keys very private; thanks! | Dec 06 12:46 |
vZS1 | And you're welcome :) | Dec 06 12:46 |
Mogzagain | Thanks! :-) | Dec 06 12:46 |
vZS1 | I don't really have an opinion because I don't know anything about it | Dec 06 12:46 |
Mogzagain | okay | Dec 06 12:46 |
Mogzagain | I presumed there, lol, when you said about access to all browsers | Dec 06 12:46 |
vZS1 | That's just on a superficial level. No domain expert knowledge | Dec 06 12:47 |
Mogzagain | I see; no problem :-) | Dec 06 12:47 |
vZS1 | This article is relevant to some of your questions and concerns: http://techrights.org/2020/11/27/encrypt-with-e2ee-in-depth-article/ | Dec 06 12:51 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guarding Your Privacy With E2EE: Primer | Techrights | Dec 06 12:51 | |
Mogzagain | Thank you very much | Dec 06 12:54 |
vZS1 | Yw (: | Dec 06 12:54 |
Mogzagain | I don't know how I missed that one, lol ... I use RSS (liferea), but sometimes one or two items don't get through maybe | Dec 06 12:55 |
vZS1 | Could be your RSS client bugging out. | Dec 06 13:08 |
vZS1 | Or maybe you just clicked "mark as read" and forgot. I do it all the time. Lol | Dec 06 13:09 |
schestowitz | [11:37] <Mogzagain> I'm female, and the article refers to me as a male artist, eek | Dec 06 13:10 |
schestowitz | Mogzagain: oops | Dec 06 13:10 |
schestowitz | will correct asap | Dec 06 13:10 |
schestowitz | sorry for my false impression | Dec 06 13:10 |
Mogzagain | Thanks vZS1, and lol yes easy to do! | Dec 06 13:11 |
Mogzagain | And thanks Roy too; that's awesome! | Dec 06 13:11 |
schestowitz | IIRC, the word "he" was used just once | Dec 06 13:11 |
schestowitz | the rest without gendered words | Dec 06 13:11 |
Mogzagain | There's a 'himself' in there, lol | Dec 06 13:12 |
schestowitz | ah, ok | Dec 06 13:12 |
schestowitz | really don't know why I assumed gender wrongly | Dec 06 13:13 |
Mogzagain | You wrote such a nice paragraph, too, about being non-tech but linux important for all who value privacy | Dec 06 13:13 |
schestowitz | maybe something said in the past... not sure | Dec 06 13:13 |
Mogzagain | Thanks for that, btw; that was really cool | Dec 06 13:13 |
schestowitz | corrected now, will reread to make sure | Dec 06 13:13 |
Mogzagain | nothing LGBT or anything; born female, so don't worry | Dec 06 13:13 |
schestowitz | yeah, it's not that | Dec 06 13:14 |
Mogzagain | I thought maybe you were busy, as I'd signed off with my real name in email thismorning; easy to miss things sometimes. No worries | Dec 06 13:14 |
schestowitz | some of us are girls, we have several trans here also | Dec 06 13:14 |
Mogzagain | I can see your corrections; thanks so much! And great article btw | Dec 06 13:15 |
schestowitz | the nickname does not indicate otherwise and maybe something you said about a topic made me assume male, like a hobby or similar | Dec 06 13:15 |
schestowitz | something you guess and guess wrong | Dec 06 13:15 |
schestowitz | "on the Internet nobody knows you're a dog until you bark" | Dec 06 13:15 |
Mogzagain | Yes, I understand we have lots of different great ppl here | Dec 06 13:16 |
schestowitz | sorry, SO sorry | Dec 06 13:16 |
Mogzagain | I'm trying to think what that could have been, lol | Dec 06 13:16 |
schestowitz | I will publish some EPO leaks later today, just had a 2-hour nap | Dec 06 13:16 |
schestowitz | worked 1-9am for my employer, thus took a while to see your correction | Dec 06 13:17 |
Mogzagain | lol, yes, could be any name or location, anything | Dec 06 13:17 |
schestowitz | I also made guesses about "where from" | Dec 06 13:17 |
Mogzagain | No worries; I really appreciate you correcting it. You've done that as soon as you knew, so can't ask more than that. | Dec 06 13:17 |
schestowitz | nuanced language | Dec 06 13:17 |
Mogzagain | Yes, you're certainly very busy. | Dec 06 13:18 |
Mogzagain | We've talked b4 about UK | Dec 06 13:18 |
schestowitz | (apparently one's text can let the gender be guessed with high accuracy, based just on grammar and choice of words) | Dec 06 13:18 |
schestowitz | Artistic types are rare here | Dec 06 13:18 |
schestowitz | my aunt in Florida does art | Dec 06 13:18 |
schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Anita/ | Dec 06 13:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Anita Tobkes | Dec 06 13:18 | |
Mogzagain | For sure; like some kind of snow lion, rarely spotted on the hillside, lol ... on linux too | Dec 06 13:19 |
Mogzagain | What kind of art does your aunt do? | Dec 06 13:19 |
schestowitz | (as a hobby she does, not professionally) | Dec 06 13:19 |
schestowitz | not direct aunt, but we use the word loosely | Dec 06 13:19 |
Mogzagain | I've followed the link ... lovely! Sisters at the Shore ... so impressionist, like Degas. Very good | Dec 06 13:20 |
Mogzagain | It's always cool having those extra aunts and uncles | Dec 06 13:20 |
schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Anita/Page2/Girl-With-A-Duck.jpg | Dec 06 13:20 |
schestowitz | Mogzagain: esp. in small families | Dec 06 13:20 |
schestowitz | mom has no siblings | Dec 06 13:20 |
schestowitz | dad has one | Dec 06 13:20 |
schestowitz | that's all I will say publiclyu | Dec 06 13:20 |
Mogzagain | Love the Girl with a Duck | Dec 06 13:20 |
Mogzagain | yes, good to expand little families more, for sure | Dec 06 13:21 |
schestowitz | BTW | Dec 06 13:22 |
schestowitz | we had lots of help from ladies at Techrighrs, historically | Dec 06 13:23 |
Mogzagain | that's cool! | Dec 06 13:23 |
schestowitz | sometimes on the art side, sometimes transcripts of things | Dec 06 13:23 |
schestowitz | but the other day, maybe 2 days ago, it occurred to me that in IRC many are still male | Dec 06 13:24 |
Mogzagain | that's great ... as and when, I can get some more art to you, for sure | Dec 06 13:24 |
Mogzagain | yes, many men; majority of linux too | Dec 06 13:24 |
schestowitz | and that it is not by choice, we don't say things offensive to women, I guess it's just something to do with number of women in CS and we're sometimes losing sight of it | Dec 06 13:24 |
schestowitz | so I want to ask what your thoughts are; why it's hard to attract women to software freedom issues | Dec 06 13:25 |
Mogzagain | yes, I find the chat always fine | Dec 06 13:25 |
Mogzagain | I can answer that probably very easily ... | Dec 06 13:25 |
schestowitz | go on | Dec 06 13:25 |
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Mogzagain | I think men often enjoy tech/code far more, and have a certain aptitude ... some women do also ... and the pressures there are in tech about needing to code and stuff like that can be really difficult to cope with. I think it's about give and take; whatever someone, whether male or female, can bring that helps with software freedom. | Dec 06 13:27 |
vZS1 | Family is important. All kinds of family. (: | Dec 06 13:27 |
Mogzagain | still thinking ... | Dec 06 13:27 |
Mogzagain | yes, all kinds of family, vZS1 | Dec 06 13:27 |
vZS1 | Especially important in times like these | Dec 06 13:27 |
schestowitz | I have my theory, which I think is supported by something I read | Dec 06 13:28 |
Mogzagain | go on ... | Dec 06 13:28 |
schestowitz | and what I see in my wife's use of time | Dec 06 13:28 |
schestowitz | CS has few women | Dec 06 13:28 |
schestowitz | fewer than in school-level CS | Dec 06 13:28 |
Mogzagain | sorry, what's CS? | Dec 06 13:28 |
schestowitz | with "Linux" or "FOSS" even fewer | Dec 06 13:28 |
vZS1 | Computer Science | Dec 06 13:28 |
Mogzagain | I see! | Dec 06 13:28 |
schestowitz | and hardcore "hacktivism" almost none | Dec 06 13:28 |
schestowitz | hacktivism can almost never be done for financial gain | Dec 06 13:29 |
Mogzagain | I do think that linux has it's issues | Dec 06 13:29 |
vZS1 | Adafruit is founded by a female, iirc | Dec 06 13:29 |
schestowitz | so it has to be purely passion-motivated | Dec 06 13:29 |
schestowitz | which means using up one's very last available bits of time | Dec 06 13:29 |
schestowitz | I work full time | Dec 06 13:29 |
schestowitz | but if I have 100 hours/week of computer time, I can fit in techrights etc. | Dec 06 13:29 |
Mogzagain | such a strong focus on things that can be very challenging, and then you get the trolling/abuse stuff, various things | Dec 06 13:29 |
schestowitz | but when doing housekeeping it ends up being harder | Dec 06 13:30 |
Mogzagain | yes, that's a lot of work | Dec 06 13:30 |
vZS1 | I've got reading to do. Have a good day, all. | Dec 06 13:30 |
schestowitz | in society there's still this traditional hunter/nesting 'thing' | Dec 06 13:30 |
Mogzagain | And you, vZS1. have a great day! :-) | Dec 06 13:30 |
schestowitz | women are of high aptitude and maths too | Dec 06 13:31 |
schestowitz | I'm not into all this "good with maths", "good with words" thing | Dec 06 13:31 |
Mogzagain | I've encountered some who are, yes | Dec 06 13:31 |
schestowitz | based on some assumptions about braib structures | Dec 06 13:31 |
schestowitz | it's also about expected rexognition from one's own gender group and opposite gender | Dec 06 13:31 |
schestowitz | the "hacker culture" is about things that are unique | Dec 06 13:31 |
schestowitz | and men punished women by compelling them to "look good" (means, spend lots of time changing.. long hair, makeup)( | Dec 06 13:32 |
Mogzagain | I think ppl have all kinds of aptitudes, which they can bring to free software, whatever gender, and I think the issues on linux are a separate issue, but one that possibly affects women in challenging way e.g. emotionally, it can be very tough being around a mostly male, very code-focussed, 'find it out yourself' place, where you end up drowning | Dec 06 13:32 |
schestowitz | which already imperils them | Dec 06 13:32 |
schestowitz | reduces their free time | Dec 06 13:32 |
Mogzagain | *ways | Dec 06 13:33 |
schestowitz | my wife says, for a guy to be neglected means "ruggedly handsome", with no equivalent for female | Dec 06 13:33 |
Mogzagain | lol | Dec 06 13:33 |
schestowitz | "look at his beard, he's a hard worker, very focused..." | Dec 06 13:33 |
Mogzagain | she can look 'windswept and interesting' though, lol | Dec 06 13:33 |
Mogzagain | 'just got out of bed' look is often popular, lol | Dec 06 13:33 |
schestowitz | ah, that | Dec 06 13:33 |
schestowitz | anyway, it would be good to have people involves in software freedom | Dec 06 13:34 |
Mogzagain | lol, at least haven't got the beard to deal with ... itchy! surely | Dec 06 13:34 |
schestowitz | and at the moment many are similar ethnically and gender-wise | Dec 06 13:34 |
schestowitz | 2 days ago I thought about environmental activists | Dec 06 13:34 |
schestowitz | or PETA etc. | Dec 06 13:34 |
schestowitz | animal rights | Dec 06 13:34 |
schestowitz | lots of women there | Dec 06 13:34 |
schestowitz | antiwar I'm not sure, but I think many are ex-vets | Dec 06 13:34 |
Mogzagain | yes | Dec 06 13:34 |
schestowitz | and army puts men in the front lines | Dec 06 13:35 |
schestowitz | and that's not because "they're good at keyboards" | Dec 06 13:35 |
Mogzagain | I'm not really involved in anything except art, tbh, and at home; location is quite cut off | Dec 06 13:35 |
schestowitz | the large corporations alleged that language is the barrier, like gendered words and terminology | Dec 06 13:36 |
schestowitz | but women I know mock and detect that assumption | Dec 06 13:36 |
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schestowitz | which tech giants exploit to blame comminty-oriented folks | Dec 06 13:36 |
Mogzagain | I think if ppl just be who they are, respecting themselves and others, it can all work out | Dec 06 13:36 |
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schestowitz | to demean those who work for no pay, as id large companies have no sexists among their ranks | Dec 06 13:36 |
Mogzagain | big tech tries to inflame and divide all the time! | Dec 06 13:36 |
Mogzagain | terrible! | Dec 06 13:36 |
Mogzagain | as does the mainstream news | Dec 06 13:37 |
schestowitz | yes, it is deliberate | Dec 06 13:37 |
schestowitz | we have memos | Dec 06 13:37 |
schestowitz | inside docs | Dec 06 13:37 |
schestowitz | they have several points on the list, how to derail | Dec 06 13:37 |
schestowitz | we talked about this here yesterdat | Dec 06 13:37 |
Mogzagain | I think big tech like nothing better than e.g. twitter flame wars, or basically any big social site having flame wars ... all that data and conflict! | Dec 06 13:37 |
schestowitz | mainstream news plays off genders and races against one another, but that's centuries-old | Dec 06 13:38 |
Mogzagain | and so much good work, and positive comms, could have happened in that time that was wasted in division and feeding big tech | Dec 06 13:38 |
schestowitz | esp. when the goal is to distract from financial inequality | Dec 06 13:38 |
schestowitz | twitter is awful | Dec 06 13:38 |
schestowitz | I'm quitting/have quit it | Dec 06 13:38 |
Mogzagain | yes, it could be anything they use, as long as it sets ppl against each other and distracts them | Dec 06 13:39 |
schestowitz | and I tell everyone who asked, DON'T EVEN START (like smoking) | Dec 06 13:39 |
schestowitz | not because of divisiveness necessarily, there are many reasons | Dec 06 13:39 |
schestowitz | even better reasons | Dec 06 13:39 |
Mogzagain | yes, best to not get onto social media really ... thankfully, leaving it can become surprisingly easy at a certain stage | Dec 06 13:39 |
schestowitz | we call it social control media | Dec 06 13:39 |
schestowitz | a phrase that caught on | Dec 06 13:40 |
Mogzagain | privacy, not letting that data or profiling happen | Dec 06 13:40 |
schestowitz | many use it now, even Wikileaks used it | Dec 06 13:40 |
schestowitz | social control media works along 3 lines | Dec 06 13:40 |
Mogzagain | hopefully free software comms get more and more popular, especially as ppl are getting more concerned about how invasive big tech is | Dec 06 13:40 |
schestowitz | survey (surveillance) | Dec 06 13:40 |
schestowitz | misinform (propaganda) | Dec 06 13:40 |
schestowitz | control conversation (censor/manipulate) | Dec 06 13:40 |
Mogzagain | you nailed it ... that's all these horrible companies are focussed on | Dec 06 13:41 |
schestowitz | their means for achieving that is "screen time" and channels between people | Dec 06 13:41 |
schestowitz | those are not new tactics | Dec 06 13:41 |
schestowitz | but Twitter, Facebook etc. put it all at the palm of one umbrella | Dec 06 13:41 |
Mogzagain | yes, I was watching RMS clips earlier, and clicked to the fsf page about what the various big companies do, and it's even worse than it used to be ... backdoors everywhere! | Dec 06 13:41 |
schestowitz | armies used to do this | Dec 06 13:41 |
schestowitz | e.g. after occupying a country | Dec 06 13:41 |
Mogzagain | such disregard and disrespect for users | Dec 06 13:42 |
schestowitz | you can inflame sectarian wars that way | Dec 06 13:42 |
Mogzagain | yes | Dec 06 13:42 |
schestowitz | if there's a group or political party you don't like, you make it not exist | Dec 06 13:42 |
schestowitz | because everything is not "in the social network" | Dec 06 13:42 |
Mogzagain | it's a real shame, as ppl not being as divided can exchange lots of good stuff, and make some real progress | Dec 06 13:43 |
schestowitz | and then you ghost or shadow -an | Dec 06 13:43 |
schestowitz | to obscure people's already-limited vision of the world | Dec 06 13:43 |
schestowitz | Mogzagain: they get hits | Dec 06 13:43 |
schestowitz | visibility | Dec 06 13:43 |
schestowitz | that's the "drug" | Dec 06 13:43 |
Mogzagain | yes, the dreaded AI, although I read something the other day saying that AI even struggles to clarify how it got from A to B | Dec 06 13:43 |
schestowitz | they make it addictive | Dec 06 13:43 |
schestowitz | not with so-called 'phones' | Dec 06 13:43 |
schestowitz | people cannot easily "switch off" | Dec 06 13:43 |
schestowitz | so it becomes like a computer game | Dec 06 13:44 |
Mogzagain | yes, social media feeds the ego, and gets ppl dependent, like a drug, on 'likes' and empty attention a lot of the time | Dec 06 13:44 |
schestowitz | "AI" is media hype | Dec 06 13:44 |
schestowitz | it's nothing new | Dec 06 13:44 |
schestowitz | they just mean "computer logic" | Dec 06 13:44 |
schestowitz | or "conditional statements" in code | Dec 06 13:44 |
schestowitz | "of/else" statement | Dec 06 13:44 |
Mogzagain | yes, ppl let themselves get sucked into the matrix | Dec 06 13:44 |
schestowitz | "if female" then "serve X" else "Y" | Dec 06 13:44 |
schestowitz | that's "Hey Hi" (AI) to them | Dec 06 13:45 |
Mogzagain | and these devices cause physical issues too ... neck problems, allsorts, too | Dec 06 13:45 |
schestowitz | meanwhile some of us get other things done | Dec 06 13:45 |
schestowitz | and the social control media already rot | Dec 06 13:45 |
Mogzagain | yes, they like to try to make ppl fear AI, but whenever I read about it, it sounds pretty dumb | Dec 06 13:45 |
schestowitz | They only attain growth by spreading to more countries | Dec 06 13:45 |
schestowitz | like drug lords opening up to more markets | Dec 06 13:45 |
schestowitz | where "Facebook" IS "the Internet" | Dec 06 13:45 |
schestowitz | zero-rating and all | Dec 06 13:46 |
schestowitz | "AI" is meaningless in most articles | Dec 06 13:46 |
Mogzagain | yes, it's great to be so free of loads of bad stuff ... reading that fsf page of e.g. addictive, corrupt, surveillance ... nothing of it do I do, yay! | Dec 06 13:46 |
schestowitz | they don't talk of machine learning | Dec 06 13:46 |
schestowitz | you can ignore it like "the cloud" | Dec 06 13:46 |
schestowitz | it usually just means server somewhere | Dec 06 13:46 |
schestowitz | something you connect to remotely | Dec 06 13:46 |
schestowitz | Mogzagain: are you good at making drawings of known people? | Dec 06 13:47 |
Mogzagain | yes, the ego gets in there, I think, and ppl build stuff up far more than it is | Dec 06 13:47 |
schestowitz | (I am not good at that) | Dec 06 13:47 |
Mogzagain | I've done the odd portrait, yes | Dec 06 13:47 |
schestowitz | it's hard to find portrays of Free software people | Dec 06 13:48 |
schestowitz | those barely exist | Dec 06 13:48 |
schestowitz | except maybe few of RMS | Dec 06 13:48 |
Mogzagain | Tend more to nature or something, but I was wondering if it was allowed to do a painting of RMS | Dec 06 13:48 |
Mogzagain | you've written RMS, as I typed him | Dec 06 13:48 |
schestowitz | because with the beard and long hair he has a unique look | Dec 06 13:48 |
Mogzagain | I'm not keen on linus, greg, etc, but RMS I'll admire for the rest of my life | Dec 06 13:48 |
schestowitz | I think personifying the issues can be bad | Dec 06 13:48 |
schestowitz | in the EPO it used to be Battistelli | Dec 06 13:49 |
Mogzagain | he does, and I think he's awesome | Dec 06 13:49 |
schestowitz | and now they have a different president/face | Dec 06 13:49 |
schestowitz | so it's easy to lose sight of underlying issues | Dec 06 13:49 |
schestowitz | I'm thinking what can be drawn | Dec 06 13:49 |
schestowitz | which I cannot get from cost-free stock photos we use | Dec 06 13:49 |
Mogzagain | I should add that I really am only interested in painting RMS, tbh. So many other main ppl really pee me off. | Dec 06 13:50 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono | Dec 06 13:50 |
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schestowitz | see the caricature at the top | Dec 06 13:50 |
schestowitz | those are good because they convey several key points | Dec 06 13:50 |
Mogzagain | There's of course a penguin painting can happen, lol, and I was thinking of a camera/spy stuff too | Dec 06 13:50 |
schestowitz | and yet so that with simplicity | Dec 06 13:50 |
Mogzagain | I see; the trojan horse | Dec 06 13:51 |
schestowitz | if camera/spy stuff, then it's worth highlighting free/libre software as the solution | Dec 06 13:51 |
schestowitz | Apple has a marketing/billboard campaign here now | Dec 06 13:51 |
schestowitz | where they show people covering their face with a phone | Dec 06 13:51 |
schestowitz | "iPhone is privacy" | Dec 06 13:51 |
schestowitz | but those phones are double-sided camerass | Dec 06 13:52 |
schestowitz | so the whole thing is worse than satire | Dec 06 13:52 |
Mogzagain | I'd be doing a disservice if I didn't say that the best, and only, way I'll be able to contribute is just sending along anything relevant, and which is aligned with the kind of things I paint. I don't want to keep refusing stuff, but do want art to be enjoyed. | Dec 06 13:52 |
schestowitz | because their privacy is worst harmed or most harmed by those location-tracked (with gyroscope) microphone with multiple cameras on it, plus wifi, gs, bluetooth | Dec 06 13:52 |
schestowitz | we need to explain to people that rejecting all those things, esp. proprietary, is where they need to look, not "apple promises privacy" | Dec 06 13:53 |
Mogzagain | the camera/spy stuff, yes, as with the lock painting, I always like to bring in what's positive as the strong focus | Dec 06 13:53 |
Mogzagain | I have some ideas about the camera lens and eyes etc | Dec 06 13:53 |
Mogzagain | have you seen the apple watch cameras that are being added? | Dec 06 13:53 |
schestowitz | maybe associate it with hard drugs | Dec 06 13:53 |
Mogzagain | a selfie one and one to film others! | Dec 06 13:53 |
Mogzagain | seriously creepy, and no regard for anyone around the dumbo wearing the apple watch | Dec 06 13:54 |
schestowitz | [13:53] <Mogzagain> have you seen the apple watch cameras that are being added? | Dec 06 13:54 |
schestowitz | I only foresaw that | Dec 06 13:54 |
Mogzagain | someone could film a girl, do an image search online, and find out her details! | Dec 06 13:54 |
schestowitz | and made joke about people wearing that while "number 2" | Dec 06 13:54 |
Mogzagain | or with a kid! | Dec 06 13:54 |
schestowitz | and Apple gets footage | Dec 06 13:54 |
schestowitz | BTW, Google CCTVGlasses was no better | Dec 06 13:55 |
schestowitz | those were CCTV on users legs | Dec 06 13:55 |
schestowitz | going into places and filming for another country without authorisation | Dec 06 13:55 |
Mogzagain | just terrible; how disgusting that apple don't care that their devices can harm ppl in those ways | Dec 06 13:55 |
schestowitz | with Amazon "doorbells" those don't have the same moobility | Dec 06 13:55 |
schestowitz | *mobolity | Dec 06 13:55 |
schestowitz | *mobility | Dec 06 13:55 |
Mogzagain | and notice their advertising didn't have any photos of ppl along the bottom of the page ... a dog, landscapes ... but no ppl | Dec 06 13:55 |
Mogzagain | so the KNOW that this can be an issue | Dec 06 13:56 |
schestowitz | but this is why Microsoft et al cannot be our sole focus | Dec 06 13:56 |
schestowitz | if Microsoft was bankrupt later today, we'd still need to get to work urgently | Dec 06 13:56 |
Mogzagain | yes, someone could point these cameras anywhere, and no permission to do so | Dec 06 13:56 |
schestowitz | against many other things | Dec 06 13:56 |
Mogzagain | *they know | Dec 06 13:56 |
schestowitz | that was a decade back | Dec 06 13:57 |
schestowitz | I sort of predicted Google Maps 2 decades ago | Dec 06 13:57 |
schestowitz | It was not hard to predict | Dec 06 13:57 |
schestowitz | it was doable already, given enough budget | Dec 06 13:57 |
Mogzagain | I saw MS have assessed that open source has 700 dependencies ... bit creepy that, in their own words, they did this 'deep dive' to check out all that | Dec 06 13:57 |
schestowitz | for Google, from Wall Street and Pentagon etc. | Dec 06 13:57 |
schestowitz | Later they started scanning MAC addresses of people's routers | Dec 06 13:57 |
Mogzagain | it really needs ppl en masse to be awake and aware about the gross levels of disregard for ppl's privacy, and to vote with their feet ... not buying the products, not the subscriptions or signing up online to things, etc | Dec 06 13:58 |
schestowitz | FSF rarely talks about it | Dec 06 13:58 |
schestowitz | it's not the FSF's focus | Dec 06 13:58 |
schestowitz | more like EFF's | Dec 06 13:58 |
schestowitz | but those issues are connected | Dec 06 13:58 |
schestowitz | unlike vegetarianism say... | Dec 06 13:58 |
Mogzagain | yes, EFF is certainly a lot more active | Dec 06 13:59 |
schestowitz | so an FSF that overlooks some of those other issues would not be as effective as can be | Dec 06 13:59 |
schestowitz | FSF is slow | Dec 06 13:59 |
schestowitz | stagnant | Dec 06 13:59 |
schestowitz | hardly any activism or even writings | Dec 06 13:59 |
schestowitz | not sure what they do all day tbh | Dec 06 13:59 |
Mogzagain | yes, so it's very important to focus on who and what does care and do something | Dec 06 13:59 |
schestowitz | a few of us at techrights manage to produce more publicly-visible things; I know FSF does loads more behind the scenes | Dec 06 14:00 |
schestowitz | eff has other issues | Dec 06 14:00 |
schestowitz | it has to be careful who to criticise | Dec 06 14:00 |
Mogzagain | yes, that's cool, and, increasingly, it really is about the ppl, beyond organisations | Dec 06 14:00 |
schestowitz | for fear of 'offending' members and sponsors | Dec 06 14:00 |
schestowitz | who are the lifeline, in the long run (they already stashed 40 million in the bank) | Dec 06 14:01 |
schestowitz | they could end up like mozilla, aimless and collapsing | Dec 06 14:01 |
Mogzagain | a shame, as with Blender etc. corporate money never leads to anywhere good it seems | Dec 06 14:01 |
schestowitz | Nope | Dec 06 14:02 |
schestowitz | we started watching lots of Blender videos | Dec 06 14:02 |
schestowitz | Blender isn't corrupted yet | Dec 06 14:02 |
schestowitz | but if it grows, opportunists will try to co-opt it | Dec 06 14:02 |
schestowitz | one first step might be to oust its founder | Dec 06 14:02 |
schestowitz | by engineering a scandal | Dec 06 14:02 |
schestowitz | then use the scandal to split the company/contributors | Dec 06 14:03 |
schestowitz | and "ride in to the rescue" as a sponsor | Dec 06 14:03 |
schestowitz | when they lack a strong and charismatic person like Ton | Dec 06 14:03 |
Mogzagain | btw, one idea I had for an image was possibly a bit creepy, so just to run it by you ... it could be effective in new ppl maybe waking up a bit more, but I thought some of kind of terminator robot, but in a familiar setting, to really bring it home to not support e.g. IoT etc | Dec 06 14:03 |
schestowitz | sounds good | Dec 06 14:03 |
Mogzagain | if Blender stay in their integrity, that's awesome! | Dec 06 14:03 |
schestowitz | but very 'maintreamy' | Dec 06 14:03 |
schestowitz | robots like these are more hypothetical a risk | Dec 06 14:04 |
Mogzagain | and glad it sounds okay. I've got a few ideas, so will get those to you as and when I can. | Dec 06 14:04 |
schestowitz | drones are existing already | Dec 06 14:04 |
schestowitz | boston dynamics makes some animal-like robots | Dec 06 14:04 |
schestowitz | with body-mounted guns in the long run | Dec 06 14:04 |
schestowitz | human form is bad for robots | Dec 06 14:04 |
schestowitz | it's easy for the robot to lose balance and fall | Dec 06 14:04 |
Mogzagain | I suppose seeing issues with police and then ppl talk about robots replacing them, stuff like that, and I thought ppl would recognise e.g. terminator 2 | Dec 06 14:04 |
Mogzagain | no worries; it would be creepy to paint anyway, lol | Dec 06 14:04 |
Mogzagain | brighter things I can do | Dec 06 14:05 |
schestowitz | spiders or 4-legged is more versatile when function is the aim | Dec 06 14:05 |
Mogzagain | a backdrop of the statue of liberty or something | Dec 06 14:05 |
schestowitz | at the moment the most dangerous robot is people themselves | Dec 06 14:05 |
Mogzagain | yuk, yeah, that creepy robot dog thing | Dec 06 14:05 |
schestowitz | like people who walk aroudn the house "filming grandma" | Dec 06 14:05 |
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schestowitz | and then "uploading to Facebook for lols and likes" | Dec 06 14:06 |
schestowitz | Based on a true story | Dec 06 14:06 |
schestowitz | my aunt | Dec 06 14:06 |
schestowitz | she hated her grandkids doing that | Dec 06 14:06 |
Mogzagain | yes, I firmly believe ppl have all the power and all the numbers on their side. If ppl are awake about what matters, and don't support the negative, these issues go away | Dec 06 14:06 |
schestowitz | back around 2005 already | Dec 06 14:06 |
schestowitz | she only wanted her privacy and dignity, not spies at the dinner table | Dec 06 14:06 |
Mogzagain | yes, poor grandma ... just wanting some privacy at home! | Dec 06 14:06 |
schestowitz | she died about 7 years ago | Dec 06 14:07 |
Mogzagain | awww | Dec 06 14:07 |
schestowitz | with dementia, years after her husband | Dec 06 14:07 |
Mogzagain | sorry about that | Dec 06 14:07 |
schestowitz | the kids are still socialites in FB | Dec 06 14:07 |
schestowitz | filming for "likes" | Dec 06 14:07 |
schestowitz | I'd link to Groklaw, but... | Dec 06 14:08 |
schestowitz | it's offline | Dec 06 14:08 |
schestowitz | PJ, a lady now in her 70s her reckon (maybe 80), used to write about privacy aspects | Dec 06 14:08 |
schestowitz | and I think the painting needs to convey this | Dec 06 14:09 |
Mogzagain | It's awful how kids grow up surrounded by invasive tech now. | Dec 06 14:09 |
schestowitz | something about having the corner to think in isolation without being observed | Dec 06 14:09 |
schestowitz | or being listened to | Dec 06 14:09 |
schestowitz | and she cited some books about that | Dec 06 14:09 |
Mogzagain | I'm not old, but just am glad to have not had that experience; more music practice back then, school work, stuff like that. | Dec 06 14:09 |
schestowitz | the front page of techrights.org talks a lot about that | Dec 06 14:10 |
schestowitz | in general terms, other than software freedom | Dec 06 14:10 |
Mogzagain | I've looked up groklaw just now | Dec 06 14:10 |
Mogzagain | they have a twitter too, lol | Dec 06 14:10 |
schestowitz | maybe we should redo the front page with your paintings | Dec 06 14:10 |
schestowitz | I think their twitter account was not an official one | Dec 06 14:10 |
Mogzagain | hmmm, that's a cool idea ... RMS is on the front page isn't he? | Dec 06 14:10 |
schestowitz | someone made that link, maybe even a bot rather than manual, to new articles there | Dec 06 14:10 |
schestowitz | Mogzagain: yeah, RMS was there; I was meeting him in person several times at the time | Dec 06 14:11 |
schestowitz | he was supposed to come here until corona hit | Dec 06 14:11 |
Mogzagain | that's so great! | Dec 06 14:11 |
Mogzagain | yes, I recall he was going to come to the UK | Dec 06 14:11 |
schestowitz | public speaking is now crappy webchat | Dec 06 14:11 |
schestowitz | I don't get those things | Dec 06 14:11 |
schestowitz | they call those "events" | Dec 06 14:11 |
schestowitz | but what advantage over static, archived copies? | Dec 06 14:12 |
schestowitz | except Q&A | Dec 06 14:12 |
schestowitz | you can just watch or binge a bunch of popular old talks | Dec 06 14:12 |
schestowitz | without it being "live" | Dec 06 14:12 |
Mogzagain | yes, streamy stuff without a hard copy is highly irritating, I think | Dec 06 14:12 |
schestowitz | Today I asked a friend whether to make videos and audio again in techrights | Dec 06 14:12 |
Mogzagain | always good if ppl have backup and can rewatch and reread stuff | Dec 06 14:12 |
schestowitz | we're still partly considering that | Dec 06 14:12 |
Mogzagain | that sounds interesting! | Dec 06 14:13 |
schestowitz | but time-consuming | Dec 06 14:13 |
schestowitz | I have a question | Dec 06 14:13 |
schestowitz | do you want a new site section for you | Dec 06 14:13 |
schestowitz | for art? | Dec 06 14:13 |
Mogzagain | I'm seeing rms, gnu, snowy mountains, edward (I've blanked on his surname!/anti-prism/x-nsa), a lock, arch, on the front page | Dec 06 14:14 |
schestowitz | "TheLinuxGrandma" when she worked with us had a section for "flying chairlet" and stuff | Dec 06 14:14 |
schestowitz | it was artistic work | Dec 06 14:14 |
schestowitz | Mogzagain: I think maybe focus less on personifying the issues | Dec 06 14:14 |
schestowitz | and people change | Dec 06 14:14 |
schestowitz | faces come and go | Dec 06 14:15 |
Mogzagain | Having an art section is lovely. I'm not sure how fast I could fill it up, but if ppl enjoy it, I can for example do things such as I'm seeing on the front page, some penguins, etc, basically linuxy stuff but painterly. | Dec 06 14:15 |
schestowitz | In Orwell's work, the characters and issues are the same | Dec 06 14:15 |
schestowitz | Winston could be born in 2002 | Dec 06 14:15 |
schestowitz | or in 1952 | Dec 06 14:15 |
Mogzagain | flying chairlet? | Dec 06 14:15 |
schestowitz | the face does not exist | Dec 06 14:15 |
schestowitz | except in the movie '1984' | Dec 06 14:15 |
oiaohm | I have just done my yearly ascii art christmas cards in libreoffice. | Dec 06 14:15 |
schestowitz | so we need to focus on issues/ideas/concepts | Dec 06 14:15 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: can you share it? | Dec 06 14:16 |
Mogzagain | sounds good, oiaohm | Dec 06 14:16 |
schestowitz | we still set up a large physical xmas tree | Dec 06 14:16 |
schestowitz | seeing almost nobody else in the block bothered this year | Dec 06 14:16 |
oiaohm | They are limited run. Only for people I know in person who I have real world mail address of. | Dec 06 14:16 |
schestowitz | and we turn all the lights on at night even though we cannot see them | Dec 06 14:16 |
Mogzagain | xmas lights look good all year round, lol | Dec 06 14:17 |
oiaohm | We have a small wooden xmas tree. | Dec 06 14:17 |
oiaohm | That folds up every year. | Dec 06 14:17 |
schestowitz | Mogzagain: http://techrights.org/category/flying-chairlet/ | Dec 06 14:17 |
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schestowitz | nothing fancy, "TheLinuxGrandma" made cartoons like these | Dec 06 14:17 |
schestowitz | I know her real name, but she likes privacy | Dec 06 14:18 |
schestowitz | they were in a book publishing company | Dec 06 14:18 |
Mogzagain | nice clean art; very good! | Dec 06 14:18 |
oiaohm | And its not one of these horrible nightmares https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/christmas/targets-89-wooden-christmas-tree-slammed-as-an-eyesore/news-story/bea840d0e1f9ecaacdd84d2e1ee62f42 | Dec 06 14:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.news.com.au | Target’s $89 wooden Christmas tree slammed as an ‘eyesore’ | Dec 06 14:18 | |
Mogzagain | she's sensible, yes to keep her name off the internet | Dec 06 14:18 |
schestowitz | there are several small trees in here also, but only one very large one, though it still doesn't 'feel' like xmas this year | Dec 06 14:19 |
schestowitz | Mogzagain: I have this theory | Dec 06 14:19 |
Mogzagain | yes? | Dec 06 14:19 |
schestowitz | about older people liking privacy | Dec 06 14:19 |
schestowitz | when people are young to want to be seen | Dec 06 14:19 |
schestowitz | dating, showing off, growing up | Dec 06 14:19 |
schestowitz | maturing etc. | Dec 06 14:19 |
schestowitz | so they share lots of things for affirmation | Dec 06 14:20 |
Mogzagain | yes, often so, although you can get your introverts | Dec 06 14:20 |
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schestowitz | when people age they long for the days they had more to show off, physically in particular | Dec 06 14:20 |
Mogzagain | ppl are still developing in their 20s, still finding out what they really want to do, still exploring | Dec 06 14:20 |
schestowitz | but for them, the Internet does not and cannot show the "best of them: | Dec 06 14:20 |
schestowitz | unless they start uploading childhood photo albums | Dec 06 14:20 |
schestowitz | young kids have no notion od privacy | Dec 06 14:20 |
oiaohm | That reminds me I still have to do up my christmas/anzac day Wreath for its Christmas placement and usage. | Dec 06 14:20 |
schestowitz | their have photos of them uploaded since birth | Dec 06 14:21 |
schestowitz | sometimes AT birth, which is perverse | Dec 06 14:21 |
schestowitz | the concaine-LIKE addicts do that to them | Dec 06 14:21 |
oiaohm | Please note its a Wreath I made from garden prunings. | Dec 06 14:21 |
schestowitz | *cocaine | Dec 06 14:21 |
Mogzagain | yes, ppl beyond 20's/30's often come to have more value for privacy, but I think a fair number of younger ppl are aware, and most likely even more so this year | Dec 06 14:21 |
schestowitz | I saw people uploading videos of their parents in their deathbed | Dec 06 14:21 |
schestowitz | truly awful | Dec 06 14:21 |
schestowitz | so all "the Internet" remember them for is some 90s/80s on an inhalator | Dec 06 14:22 |
schestowitz | stay classy I say.. | Dec 06 14:22 |
Mogzagain | the AT birth is surreal! I really feel that kind of thing should be private. And maybe when the baby grows up, they'd not be comfy either with it. | Dec 06 14:22 |
schestowitz | I saw yougn kids uploading nakes photos of other kids to fb | Dec 06 14:22 |
schestowitz | for the "lols" | Dec 06 14:22 |
schestowitz | I guess pedophiles like those idiots | Dec 06 14:23 |
Mogzagain | that is terrible | Dec 06 14:23 |
oiaohm | My ascii art cards are card on one side of the A4 and letter on the other and folded correctly. | Dec 06 14:23 |
Mogzagain | these kind of things really need privacy respected, for sure | Dec 06 14:23 |
oiaohm | So very paper effective. | Dec 06 14:23 |
schestowitz | Italy has stricter laws on this, not sure why Italy | Dec 06 14:23 |
schestowitz | but those are edge cases, the case for privacy can be made on another level | Dec 06 14:24 |
schestowitz | though how to put that in a one-frame painting I'm not sure | Dec 06 14:24 |
schestowitz | except if unoriginal | Dec 06 14:24 |
Mogzagain | yes, it's shocking what some younger ppl do. apparently a youtube guy was getting viewers to do large superchats, then he'd abuse his pregnant girlfriend. he put her outside in the cold for ages, while he kept streaming, and very sadly she died. a really terrible example of how insane and heartless online can be. | Dec 06 14:24 |
Mogzagain | the superchats would request how to abuse her | Dec 06 14:25 |
Mogzagain | the youtuber has been sentenced to 2 years | Dec 06 14:26 |
schestowitz | I saw people bullying kids at schools | Dec 06 14:26 |
schestowitz | taking footage was their motivator | Dec 06 14:26 |
Mogzagain | yes, madness | Dec 06 14:26 |
schestowitz | I still saw one 'vlogger' who had done that yesterday | Dec 06 14:26 |
oiaohm | ?? Only 2 years in prison. | Dec 06 14:26 |
schestowitz | it makes people act bad | Dec 06 14:26 |
schestowitz | makes cops act a little better | Dec 06 14:26 |
oiaohm | Australia laws normally would not be that nice. | Dec 06 14:26 |
Mogzagain | yes, just 2 years ... unbelievable! | Dec 06 14:26 |
oiaohm | What country was that. | Dec 06 14:27 |
schestowitz | youtubelandia | Dec 06 14:27 |
Mogzagain | the youtuber is Stas Reeflay | Dec 06 14:27 |
schestowitz | what's a youtuber anyway? | Dec 06 14:28 |
schestowitz | They're defined by what account they set up in soem megacorp? | Dec 06 14:28 |
oiaohm | Its like with Australia nude /semi photos of people under 18 being send around email, internet... that punishable offence that can be quite a few years jail alone. | Dec 06 14:28 |
schestowitz | It's a jerk with a youtube account | Dec 06 14:28 |
schestowitz | I often call them "person with webcam and youtube account" | Dec 06 14:28 |
schestowitz | nowadays drone operators are being called "pilots" | Dec 06 14:28 |
Mogzagain | the Sun's come up first in my search for the link, not that I read that ever, but just search his name and you'll see how awful ... a shocking thing for ppl. shows how depraved social media can get. | Dec 06 14:28 |
schestowitz | but they never leave their chair | Dec 06 14:28 |
schestowitz | Mogzagain: I saw similar "jerks with cams" | Dec 06 14:29 |
Mogzagain | this guy should have had at least the rest of his life in jail; sadistic doesn't even cover it | Dec 06 14:29 |
oiaohm | Depends on the drone class. Thare are some drone classes in australia where you required a pilot license. | Dec 06 14:29 |
schestowitz | abused their partner | Dec 06 14:29 |
schestowitz | and having chats about it with other youtube-registered assholes | Dec 06 14:29 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: that's dumb | Dec 06 14:29 |
schestowitz | that still doesn't make you a pilot when you operate it remoately | Dec 06 14:30 |
Mogzagain | good to know Australia are taking things more seriously | Dec 06 14:30 |
schestowitz | like being a chef who buys food online | Dec 06 14:30 |
schestowitz | Australia started as convicts | Dec 06 14:30 |
schestowitz | who were sent to a land of 'uncivilised' aboriginals | Dec 06 14:30 |
schestowitz | and Aussies are notably racist | Dec 06 14:31 |
schestowitz | ask people who lived there | Dec 06 14:31 |
schestowitz | so the laws try to keep that under control | Dec 06 14:31 |
Mogzagain | lol, pilots! steering a drone is nothing like flying a massive plane. | Dec 06 14:31 |
schestowitz | it's like a computer game | Dec 06 14:31 |
schestowitz | only you are staring at a real thing | Dec 06 14:31 |
schestowitz | which you control with a joystick that sends commands to it | Dec 06 14:31 |
Mogzagain | I've learnt something there; didn't know some drones needed a license like that. | Dec 06 14:31 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: Not dumb there are jet class drones that can fly in commercial passage jet levels. Yes the license is that you know how to do all correct flying by airtraffic control and so on. | Dec 06 14:32 |
schestowitz | not physically connected to the bits and parts | Dec 06 14:32 |
schestowitz | just sending commands to it | Dec 06 14:32 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: the altitude is low | Dec 06 14:32 |
schestowitz | like helicopters sometimes | Dec 06 14:32 |
schestowitz | so aviation rules for commercial jets are not so applicable | Dec 06 14:32 |
schestowitz | maybe military jets, yes | Dec 06 14:33 |
schestowitz | drones are really awfully nd cheap planes | Dec 06 14:33 |
schestowitz | thousands of tjem crash | Dec 06 14:33 |
schestowitz | even the large ones | Dec 06 14:33 |
schestowitz | and they never report it | Dec 06 14:33 |
oiaohm | There are some monitoring drones in Australia for really large area work that fly between 10000 to 20000 feet in Australia. | Dec 06 14:33 |
oiaohm | So commercial jet airspace. | Dec 06 14:33 |
schestowitz | IIRC, around 2013, over 600 had already crashed, according to bezos post (I think just before bezos bought it) | Dec 06 14:34 |
oiaohm | Of course if you are operating a drone up there you better know the rules of a normal comerical jet. | Dec 06 14:34 |
oiaohm | thinking most commerical jets are fly by wire these days. | Dec 06 14:34 |
schestowitz | [14:33] <oiaohm> There are some monitoring drones in Australia for really large area work that fly between 10000 to 20000 feet in Australia. | Dec 06 14:34 |
schestowitz | Those would be reconnaissance | Dec 06 14:34 |
schestowitz | We're talking about Predator-grade | Dec 06 14:34 |
Mogzagain | get chills about if drones become the norm for deliveries; not normal or right, especially if they're crashing everywhere and stuff stolen etc | Dec 06 14:34 |
oiaohm | Some are comerical for power lines and so on. | Dec 06 14:34 |
oiaohm | So not milatary. | Dec 06 14:34 |
schestowitz | people on the ground hear the buzzing | Dec 06 14:35 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: large areas of Australia means we have some odd things. | Dec 06 14:35 |
schestowitz | btw, I was 'friends' (online) with the biggest drone killer | Dec 06 14:35 |
schestowitz | the one who killed over 1600 people with a drone | Dec 06 14:35 |
Mogzagain | yes? | Dec 06 14:35 |
schestowitz | and then blew the whistle | Dec 06 14:35 |
oiaohm | USA those classes of drones would be military only. | Dec 06 14:35 |
schestowitz | then he got many death threats | Dec 06 14:35 |
Mogzagain | omg | Dec 06 14:35 |
schestowitz | moved to Germany last I heard | Dec 06 14:35 |
schestowitz | even his parents received threats | Dec 06 14:36 |
schestowitz | he didn't think about that when he joined usaf | Dec 06 14:36 |
schestowitz | that it can come back to haunt him as well as loved ones | Dec 06 14:36 |
schestowitz | who don't get Secret Service-level protections | Dec 06 14:36 |
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schestowitz | there are not many drone strike whistleblowers | Dec 06 14:36 |
schestowitz | I became friends with some more | Dec 06 14:37 |
schestowitz | (online friends) | Dec 06 14:37 |
schestowitz | under Trump nobody even talks about the drone strikes anymore | Dec 06 14:37 |
oiaohm | USA still uses cluster bombs in battle that have been illegal since end of world war II by the rules of laws most countries agreed to. | Dec 06 14:37 |
oiaohm | So usa miss using drones should basically be expected. | Dec 06 14:37 |
schestowitz | I guess that's kind of inevitable when you elect as president a man who wants to "f* his own daughter' | Dec 06 14:37 |
schestowitz | [14:37] <oiaohm> USA still uses cluster bombs in battle that have been illegal since end of world war II by the rules of laws most countries agreed to. | Dec 06 14:38 |
schestowitz | worse | Dec 06 14:38 |
schestowitz | cluster bombs are banned because of civilian casualties | Dec 06 14:38 |
schestowitz | inc. rescuers | Dec 06 14:38 |
Mogzagain | I'll need to head off now, but thanks so much again for the correction, and glad the art was useful. As in email, I can get some stuff to you when I can; I'll just keep with generic linuxy stuff, or see what kind of things are on articles and stuff. Have a good rest of the day all. | Dec 06 14:38 |
schestowitz | unexploded ordinance of small scale | Dec 06 14:39 |
schestowitz | when I covered drones a lot 10-7 years ago they did multi-tap strikes | Dec 06 14:39 |
schestowitz | just "to make sure" | Dec 06 14:39 |
schestowitz | so the rescuers would not approach the scene | Dec 06 14:39 |
schestowitz | those who did would be drone by the second or third strike | Dec 06 14:39 |
schestowitz | iirc, sometimes they even struck 4 times in a row | Dec 06 14:39 |
schestowitz | suicide bombers use that tactic | Dec 06 14:39 |
schestowitz | detonate | Dec 06 14:39 |
schestowitz | wait | Dec 06 14:40 |
schestowitz | then detonate again | Dec 06 14:40 |
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schestowitz | and sometimes more die the second time around | Dec 06 14:40 |
schestowitz | that's the sort of thing Obama era drone strikes did | Dec 06 14:40 |
schestowitz | then they 'drones' the media | Dec 06 14:40 |
schestowitz | and nobody was left to report on drone strikes under Trump | Dec 06 14:41 |
schestowitz | now it's just... "normal"... | Dec 06 14:41 |
oiaohm | There is a difference between using a drone for target strike on a party and being a USA asshole. | Dec 06 14:41 |
schestowitz | the "secret war" as they used to call these... | Dec 06 14:41 |
schestowitz | "clandestine"... "don't ask questions".... "let the adults manage it"... "they know what they're doing" | Dec 06 14:41 |
oiaohm | Multi tap strikes is a really good way to have the population of the area hate you. | Dec 06 14:41 |
schestowitz | Israel does the tap differently | Dec 06 14:42 |
schestowitz | small ordinnace first | Dec 06 14:42 |
schestowitz | as warning | Dec 06 14:42 |
schestowitz | then a 500lb/1000lb blockbuster | Dec 06 14:42 |
oiaohm | Not that it really works either. | Dec 06 14:42 |
schestowitz | sometimes shot from a place like 20KM away | Dec 06 14:42 |
schestowitz | then they tell the media they "Warned" the people | Dec 06 14:42 |
schestowitz | not with leaflets | Dec 06 14:42 |
schestowitz | but with "ethical strikes" | Dec 06 14:43 |
schestowitz | "good bombs".... for "Warning" | Dec 06 14:43 |
oiaohm | small ordinnace first is a historic way to make sure your targeting is correct before you send the big one. | Dec 06 14:43 |
schestowitz | as if the terrorists or targets don't get the warning too | Dec 06 14:43 |
oiaohm | So yes that small than big does reduce miss targeting. | Dec 06 14:43 |
schestowitz | the actual targets are likely to be more sensitive and impervious actually | Dec 06 14:43 |
oiaohm | But its still not the best plan. | Dec 06 14:43 |
schestowitz | because they already know they're likely targets | Dec 06 14:43 |
oiaohm | There are such things are good bombs but they are insanely rare. It warped history of particular large bombs shells being filled with food/medical supplies instead of explosves. So that unexploded round in fact being something useful. | Dec 06 14:47 |
oiaohm | Also they got nicknamed loto bombs for very good reason. | Dec 06 14:48 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RicoReport/status/1335583963356786688 | Dec 06 14:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RicoReport: @saifedean @MrHodl she is a woman.. Billy Gayeeeets and his man wife are both hiding in plain sight. Fact : Majori… https://t.co/tKF50dy5Hh | Dec 06 14:49 | |
schestowitz | " | Dec 06 14:49 |
schestowitz | she is a woman.. Billy Gayeeeets and his man wife are both hiding in plain sight. | Dec 06 14:49 |
schestowitz | Fact : Majority of elite rich deep state criminals have men for wives, but he is a woman that was groomed by his mommy, and helped steal Microsoft from #Kildall http://techrights.org/2020/01/05/history-canceled/ | Dec 06 14:49 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 06 14:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Death of Gary Kildall Remains a Mystery to This Date | Techrights | Dec 06 14:49 | |
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oiaohm | I like the Australia one of that 303 rounds would go bad if left on ground so due use any that were dropped. Really reason was internionally droping 303 rounds packed with high exploves that if you used in a normal gun would blow the complete breach out. | Dec 06 14:51 |
schestowitz | https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-2008-3-1-reinstall-macos-or-ubuntu-linux.2273705/ | Dec 06 14:53 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.macrumors.com | Mac Pro 2008 (3,1) -- reinstall MacOS, or Ubuntu linux? | MacRumors Forums | Dec 06 14:53 | |
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oiaohm | https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/4/21246223/macbook-keyboard-butterfly-magic-pro-apple-design That mac pro 2008 is before apple screwed the keyboard over. | Dec 06 15:23 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | The saga of Apple’s bad butterfly MacBook keyboards is finally over - The Verge | Dec 06 15:23 | |
oiaohm | and before they made SSD not replaceable. | Dec 06 15:23 |
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schestowitz | just now: https://truthout.org/articles/trump-has-pushed-ahead-with-drone-strikes-putting-us-citizens-in-the-crosshairs/ | Dec 06 15:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Trump Has Pushed Ahead With Drone Strikes, Putting US Citizens in the Crosshairs | Dec 06 15:34 | |
superkuh | Bush, Obama, and Trump. | Dec 06 15:47 |
superkuh | I'm sure Biden will too. | Dec 06 15:47 |
superkuh | Oh, nice, this article actually addresses that immediately. | Dec 06 15:47 |
superkuh | Funny how the push to get rid of the 2001 AUMF was dropped as soon as the election started up. | Dec 06 15:49 |
superkuh | How does biden stand? He was part of the disposition matrix during the Obama presidency. He already participated. | Dec 06 15:50 |
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MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/2007183 | Dec 06 16:38 |
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DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If the president is ordering "targeted killings" of Americans abroad, imagine what's actually going on in the US that's meant to look like "random crime" or "natural causes". | Dec 06 17:04 |
DaemonFC[m] | How hard would it be, if there's a preacher in Chicago you don't like because he's a Communist Muslim or something, to have a staged "drive by" using the cops or something dressed up like gang members? | Dec 06 17:05 |
DaemonFC[m] | Or whatever Blackwater calls themselves these days. | Dec 06 17:05 |
schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=20/12/04/185241 | Dec 06 17:06 |
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schestowitz | "Blogger Daniel Lange takes a look at the Linux Foundation's 2020 annual report, and concludes that it was produced with Adobe, which is not available on Linux. Further sleuthing by a commentator reveals that the original was created on Microsoft Word. Stock images used for illustration mostly show Apple MacBooks. This is what you get for a $148 million annual budget." | Dec 06 17:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The Biden win is not really a win for the US except to the extent that it's a return to something less horrible. | Dec 06 17:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | That's only because we seem to have hit bedrock with Trump on how many unconstitutional nightmares could be going on at once. | Dec 06 17:10 |
schestowitz | https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/carroll/opinion/cc-op-community-voices-120320-20201203-j6r3onz5cbc2ppxx5imlujdem4-story.html | Dec 06 17:14 |
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MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB34-qX_b4s | Dec 06 17:22 |
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DaemonFC[m] | It was pretty clear that even though Trump couldn't overturn enough states to win that he was trying to get it down to as small a lead as possible. | Dec 06 17:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | At that point he could try to corrupt some electors. | Dec 06 17:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | If you can get it down to 270 and all you have to do is make one of them a deal that they'd take to switch their vote, you can still throw it to the House. | Dec 06 17:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | So I was worried that we'd end up in a situation where Biden won but only by one or two electors, and then Trump would be offering all of them whatever it took to get them to switch their votes. | Dec 06 17:25 |
DaemonFC[m] | I'm not really concerned that any states are going to try to reverse their own results. They're all certified at this point, and the safe harbor date is Tuesday. | Dec 06 17:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | Which means that after Tuesday, if a state tried something like that, it wouldn't flip to Trump electors. Federal law says that they would just get no electors seated at all. | Dec 06 17:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | There's nothing in the laws of any states where Trump is trying to get public officials to commit crimes on his behalf that would allow them to do anything of the sort, but even if they tried, after Tuesday it would just go from Biden electors to no electors at all. | Dec 06 17:27 |
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DaemonFC[m] | There's theoretically 6 days between Tuesday and the electoral college meeting where the federal courts could do something, but the only case that Trump is even trying to appeal involved about 10,000 ballots in Pennsylvania, so there's no case in front of them where they could go further than ordering 10,000 votes in Pennsylvania to be thrown out, and they'd have to torture the law to do that, and it wouldn't change | Dec 06 17:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | anything. | Dec 06 17:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | So there's no hint that they even plan to hear this. | Dec 06 17:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | They have too many pending cases that do matter on their docket. | Dec 06 17:30 |
DaemonFC[m] | The current count is like 41 losses in court and 1 win for the Trump campaign, but the win was so small it doesn't matter. | Dec 06 17:30 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Judges are beyond annoyed, because the campaign's tactics were apparently to just keep amending their complaints and switching out lawyers and asking for delays and leaves to amend to drag it out and not get it thrown out until it was too late for the states to certify. | Dec 06 17:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | But that didn't happen....anywhere. | Dec 06 17:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | They knew that the very best they would get would be a preliminary injunction and their goal was to filibuster judges until after the safe harbor deadline. | Dec 06 17:32 |
DaemonFC[m] | This is bordering on contempt. If anything, the judges showed significant restraint that most people who were openly trying to defraud the court would never get. | Dec 06 17:33 |
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MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2266/ | Dec 06 17:46 |
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MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2272/ | Dec 06 18:12 |
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schestowitz | Should we do another UPC piece? | Dec 06 18:58 |
schestowitz | zoobab: lots of lies today | Dec 06 18:58 |
schestowitz | and the past few days | Dec 06 18:58 |
schestowitz | the lobby is elated | Dec 06 18:58 |
schestowitz | same lobbyists as before e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/07/31/managing-ip-fake-news/ | Dec 06 18:58 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Managing IP Still Champions Fake ‘News’ for Team UPC | Techrights | Dec 06 18:58 | |
search_social | there are so many articles about who is just a corporate pawn it would probably be easier to make a list of who is NOT | Dec 06 19:00 |
MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20071736 | Dec 06 19:00 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4761395) | Dec 06 19:00 | |
MinceR | "list of people not yet known to be corporate pawns at UPC"? | Dec 06 19:01 |
schestowitz | search_social: true | Dec 06 19:01 |
schestowitz | but it's trickier | Dec 06 19:01 |
schestowitz | as not many people know those lists | Dec 06 19:01 |
schestowitz | they just 'google things' | Dec 06 19:01 |
MinceR | though a list of who _is_ could include which corporation they're pawns of :> | Dec 06 19:01 |
MinceR | and citations | Dec 06 19:01 |
schestowitz | that would be a big project | Dec 06 19:02 |
schestowitz | as sometimes you lack articles explaining those sorts of things | Dec 06 19:02 |
schestowitz | so one option is to make an index for each publisher | Dec 06 19:02 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Watchtroll and http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/IAM for example work closely with Microsoft | Dec 06 19:03 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watchtroll - Techrights | Dec 06 19:03 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IAM - Techrights | Dec 06 19:03 | |
schestowitz | maybe we need a new wiki page for eff, ten sfc | Dec 06 19:03 |
schestowitz | *then | Dec 06 19:03 |
schestowitz | figosdev has scripts to generate such lists | Dec 06 19:03 |
schestowitz | but he has not run them in about a year | Dec 06 19:03 |
schestowitz | maybe it's time to have a go at it and rerun for 2020 archives as well | Dec 06 19:03 |
schestowitz | AFAIK, zoobab is still preparing his constitutional complaint, with about a week left to complete | Dec 06 19:06 |
schestowitz | I have half a dozen BS "pieces" and unsure if writing a rebuttal to them would just give them more visibility, proving to be counter-productive | Dec 06 19:07 |
schestowitz | tbh, I'd rather focus on epo leaks tonight | Dec 06 19:07 |
schestowitz | and then some free software advocacy | Dec 06 19:08 |
schestowitz | seeing that UPC cannot go on regardless | Dec 06 19:08 |
schestowitz | due to brexit for starters | Dec 06 19:08 |
schestowitz | It's a big like suffocating a corpse | Dec 06 19:08 |
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MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2304/ | Dec 06 19:26 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Preprint | Dec 06 19:26 | |
DaemonFC[m] | The "tech media" has devolved into buzzword bullshit bingo. | Dec 06 19:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's a'' "sponsored content" now. | Dec 06 19:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | *all | Dec 06 19:53 |
oiaohm | https://dylanbeattie.net/songs/framework.html this song I always find fun. | Dec 06 19:54 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-We’re Gonna Build a Framework : dylanbeattie.net | Dec 06 19:54 | |
schestowitz | [19:53] <DaemonFC[m]> It's a'' "sponsored content" now. | Dec 06 19:54 |
schestowitz | that too | Dec 06 19:54 |
schestowitz | there are variants | Dec 06 19:54 |
schestowitz | LF pays sites for puff pieces also | Dec 06 19:54 |
schestowitz | sometimes with disclosure included | Dec 06 19:54 |
schestowitz | something without | Dec 06 19:54 |
oiaohm | There are a stack of different ways to pay for puff piecees while not looking directly connected either. | Dec 06 19:55 |
oiaohm | Fun of PR companies. | Dec 06 19:55 |
schestowitz | true | Dec 06 19:55 |
schestowitz | very true | Dec 06 19:55 |
schestowitz | I keep mentioning that | Dec 06 19:55 |
schestowitz | like buying ads | Dec 06 19:56 |
schestowitz | selling "consulting" | Dec 06 19:56 |
schestowitz | buying "studies" | Dec 06 19:56 |
schestowitz | so they set up parallel operations for bribe collections | Dec 06 19:56 |
schestowitz | and the PR agencies basically launder the money that way | Dec 06 19:56 |
oiaohm | Most fun one is the fake industry body stunt. | Dec 06 19:57 |
oiaohm | That turned up quite a few times with right to repair. | Dec 06 19:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://www.thedailybeast.com/michigan-ruling-rudy-giuliani-touted-as-a-big-win-actually-concerned-a-local-marijuana-measure | Dec 06 19:59 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailybeast.com | Michigan Ruling Rudy Giuliani Touted as a ‘Big Win’ Actually Concerned a Local Marijuana Measure | Dec 06 19:59 | |
schestowitz | Don't tell Carl Farmer | Dec 06 20:00 |
schestowitz | or he might never get it on ever again | Dec 06 20:00 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://www.thedailybeast.com/president-donald-trump-loves-disastrous-ballot-witness-melissa-carone | Dec 06 20:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailybeast.com | President Donald Trump Loves Disastrous Ballot Witness Melissa Carone | Dec 06 20:01 | |
schestowitz | he loves women who lie | Dec 06 20:01 |
schestowitz | except those whom he raped | Dec 06 20:01 |
schestowitz | then he calls them liars | Dec 06 20:01 |
schestowitz | and hates them | Dec 06 20:02 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: there is a fairly good way to limit marijuana start growing the Australian GM crop of industrial hemp. Result of those two crossing is low yield THC plants. | Dec 06 20:05 |
oiaohm | I can plant industrial hemp as a garden plant. The DNA modification means it had a different leaf pattern to normal marijuana as well as insanely low THC. | Dec 06 20:06 |
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schestowitz | wow https://ballotpedia.org/Jo_Jorgensen_presidential_campaign,_2020 | Dec 06 20:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ballotpedia.org | Jo Jorgensen presidential campaign, 2020 - Ballotpedia | Dec 06 20:18 | |
schestowitz | I didn't know she was the party leader this time around | Dec 06 20:18 |
schestowitz | the media pretended she did not even exist | Dec 06 20:18 |
schestowitz | in 2016 they at least pretended that at least 4 parties existed | Dec 06 20:18 |
schestowitz | "She was the Libertarian vice presidential nominee in 1996" | Dec 06 20:19 |
schestowitz | From Illinois | Dec 06 20:19 |
schestowitz | "She worked as a marketing representative for IBM before launching a software sales business in South Carolina in 1983. " | Dec 06 20:19 |
schestowitz | Former IBM | Dec 06 20:19 |
schestowitz | but wants "small government" | Dec 06 20:20 |
schestowitz | "After taking a sabbatical to raise her children, Jorgensen started a consulting company and earned her Ph.D. in industrial and organizational psychology from Clemson University in 2002" | Dec 06 20:20 |
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DaemonFC[m] | In a first past the post system, all small parties do is potentially sabotage the major party on their general side of the spectrum. | Dec 06 20:30 |
DaemonFC[m] | That's why the Republicans were giving Howie Hawkins money and lawyers. | Dec 06 20:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | Maybe the Russians too. Stein and Putin and all that. | Dec 06 20:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | There's no reason why Putin would invite someone who couldn't win election to come "talk policy". | Dec 06 20:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | What they were doing was discussing how to use the Green Party to sabotage Clinton and get Trump elected. | Dec 06 20:32 |
DaemonFC[m] | Probably how much Russian money would be waiting for her in an offshore bank account after she did. | Dec 06 20:32 |
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brett98 | read about gnew on tech rights -- totally down with that | Dec 06 21:10 |
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DaemonFC[m] | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/06/world/rudy-giuliani-covid.html | Dec 06 21:15 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Rudy Giuliani Has Tested Positive For The Coronavirus, Trump Says - The New York Times | Dec 06 21:15 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Previously, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/06/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-masks-coronavirus-fox-news | Dec 06 21:19 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani coughs his way through anti-mask interview | Rudy Giuliani | The Guardian | Dec 06 21:19 | |
schestowitz | orange karma | Dec 06 21:25 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: it'll be over 1000 deaths this sunday | Dec 06 21:27 |
schestowitz | TX not reporting yet | Dec 06 21:27 |
schestowitz | 230 in uk https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 | Dec 06 21:27 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC News | Dec 06 21:28 | |
schestowitz | oiaohm: "Please fix the slide deck link it points to a local file instead of the website." | Dec 06 21:42 |
schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1224280-intel-microsoft-continue-work-on-replacing-more-smm-black-boxes-with-prm\ | Dec 06 21:42 |
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schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1224280-intel-microsoft-continue-work-on-replacing-more-smm-black-boxes-with-prm | Dec 06 21:42 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel + Microsoft Continue Work On Replacing More SMM "Black Boxes" With PRM - Phoronix Forums | Dec 06 21:42 | |
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MinceR | https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Belgium%20Barbeque | Dec 06 22:11 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: Belgium Barbeque | Dec 06 22:11 | |
schestowitz | Orban again? | Dec 06 22:12 |
schestowitz | Don't tell me it's (blow) Jobbik | Dec 06 22:13 |
MinceR | it's fideath, not lobbik | Dec 06 22:20 |
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schestowitz | wait till the throw a coalition party | Dec 06 22:24 |
MinceR | they probably won't | Dec 06 22:26 |
MinceR | MHM split out of lobbik and they're fideath's best friends now | Dec 06 22:26 |
MinceR | lobbik wants to replace fidSS in the EPP | Dec 06 22:27 |
MinceR | so they're more moderate than fideath now | Dec 06 22:27 |
MinceR | (also known as the feed-ass crew) | Dec 06 22:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | I might grab the Fedora respin ISO. | Dec 06 22:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | Linux 5.9 probably supports the new laptop better than that OEM 5.6 kernel in Ubuntu 20.04. Here we go again, maybe. | Dec 06 22:29 |
schestowitz | try debian bullseye | Dec 06 22:30 |
schestowitz | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/12/msg00001.html | Dec 06 22:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org | Debian Installer Bullseye Alpha 3 release | Dec 06 22:30 | |
DaemonFC[m] | " Since Apple's new M1 CPU seems to execute emulated x86 code faster than Intel and AMD executes native x86 code, maybe it is time for Intel and AMD just to ditch x86 and build a ARM CPU or a RISC-V CPU with emulation for x86? " | Dec 06 22:37 |
DaemonFC[m] | Where is the proof? | Dec 06 22:37 |
superkuh | Apple hype has never been related to data. | Dec 06 22:39 |
schestowitz | started as anti-IBM | Dec 06 22:47 |
schestowitz | IBM: think | Dec 06 22:47 |
schestowitz | Apple: think different | Dec 06 22:47 |
schestowitz | Microsoft: stop thinking | Dec 06 22:48 |
schestowitz | Apple: stop Microsoft | Dec 06 22:48 |
schestowitz | GNU: stop all the liars above | Dec 06 22:48 |
schestowitz | of course it's back full circle coz IBM bougth Red Hat | Dec 06 22:48 |
schestowitz | and now shoves proprietary-like crap into distros | Dec 06 22:48 |
schestowitz | it also develops on Microsoft servers | Dec 06 22:49 |
schestowitz | While Microsoft says it loves Linux | Dec 06 22:49 |
schestowitz | Hannibal loves Clarice Starling. | Dec 06 22:49 |
MinceR | Hannibal Smith? | Dec 06 22:54 |
schestowitz | just Hannibal Hannibal | Dec 06 22:55 |
MinceR | Hannibal Barca? | Dec 06 22:55 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: any success getting in touch with href (by anyone)? | Dec 06 22:55 |
DaemonFC[m] | Hannibal actually did like her. | Dec 06 22:56 |
DaemonFC[m] | He hated rude people and if you were a rude person then he was much more likely to eat you. | Dec 06 22:57 |
schestowitz | > https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/new-raspberry-pi-os-release-december-2020/ | Dec 06 22:57 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | New Raspberry Pi OS release — December 2020 - Raspberry Pi | Dec 06 22:58 | |
schestowitz | > <https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/new-raspberry-pi-os-release-december-2020/> | Dec 06 22:58 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 06 22:58 |
schestowitz | >> We’ve updated the Chromium browser to version 84 | Dec 06 22:58 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 06 22:58 |
schestowitz | > Raspberry Spi OS | Dec 06 22:58 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: Microsoft loves Canonical | Dec 06 22:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: In his opinion, he was improving the world. | Dec 06 22:58 |
schestowitz | it does not like "rude" community | Dec 06 22:58 |
schestowitz | it eats what does not tolerate Microsoft monopoly | Dec 06 22:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | He got rid of Dr. Chilton because he thought the guy was an asshole and a hack. | Dec 06 22:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | He ate a member of an orchestra for playing off key. | Dec 06 22:59 |
DaemonFC[m] | Then there was Paul Krendler, who was messing up Clarice Starling's career at the FBI. | Dec 06 23:00 |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705656.jpg | Dec 06 23:05 |
schestowitz | blue-red | Dec 06 23:11 |
schestowitz | maybe she was not attractive enough | Dec 06 23:11 |
schestowitz | [22:28] <MinceR> (also known as the feed-ass crew) | Dec 06 23:12 |
schestowitz | sounds similar for sure | Dec 06 23:12 |
schestowitz | what a bunch of arses | Dec 06 23:12 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://twitter.com/dennis0805a/status/1335630303621242882 | Dec 06 23:33 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dennis0805a: @schestowitz #Trump Supporters and #MAGA Supporters became the "Snowflakes". LMFAO!!!🤣🤣🤣 33 Days After Trump's Los… https://t.co/AOC6ktkWRg | Dec 06 23:33 | |
schestowitz | " | Dec 06 23:33 |
schestowitz | #Trump Supporters and #MAGA Supporters became the "Snowflakes". LMFAO!!! | Dec 06 23:33 |
schestowitz | Rolling on the floor laughing | Dec 06 23:33 |
schestowitz | Rolling on the floor laughing | Dec 06 23:33 |
schestowitz | Rolling on the floor laughing | Dec 06 23:33 |
schestowitz | 33 Days After Trump's Loss, Trump and his Supporters are still crying. | Dec 06 23:33 |
schestowitz | This is just so much fun to watch. | Dec 06 23:33 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 06 23:33 |
schestowitz | Carl Farmer :-) | Dec 06 23:33 |
MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/13/653f3023d95db394.mp4 | Dec 06 23:36 |
DaemonFC[m] | Felta Carl Farmer | Dec 06 23:48 |
schestowitz | turns from scientist (Thompson) to scientologist | Dec 06 23:49 |
schestowitz | and then voted for very stable genius | Dec 06 23:49 |
schestowitz | the brain goes last - famous saying | Dec 06 23:49 |
DaemonFC[m] | Oh no, he was mixed up in Scientology and listening to Rush Limbaugh 30 years ago. | Dec 06 23:55 |
schestowitz | when is Rush on his death bed? | Dec 06 23:56 |
schestowitz | I bet the lump has outgrown his little brain already | Dec 06 23:56 |
schestowitz | https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-giving-rush-limbaugh-medal-freedom-was-controversial-fitting-ncna1132121 | Dec 06 23:57 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Trump giving Rush Limbaugh the Medal of Freedom was controversial — and fitting | Dec 06 23:57 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Sony was smart enough to keep making actual things. | Dec 06 23:57 |
schestowitz | Combined IQ of (covid)19 | Dec 06 23:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | Thomson decided to become a patent troll and most of their revenue was MP3, which was obviously not going to work forever. | Dec 06 23:57 |
schestowitz | Sony makes them in mainland china afaik | Dec 06 23:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | The RCA brand is a joke now. | Dec 06 23:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | You might see it on some total crap Android tablet at Walmart for $49. | Dec 06 23:58 |
schestowitz | I bought an RCA tuner in the US and it did not last long | Dec 06 23:58 |
schestowitz | I forgot what happened to it | Dec 06 23:58 |
schestowitz | they used to make fine TVs, I think | Dec 06 23:59 |
schestowitz | made with real materials | Dec 06 23:59 |
schestowitz | not the cheapest available | Dec 06 23:59 |
schestowitz | and you could, back then, actually reppair appliance | Dec 06 23:59 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they had everything in the US shut down by 2004. | Dec 06 23:59 |
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