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DaemonFC[m] | I might switch to a 5w40 synthetic next time. | Feb 07 03:30 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Or a 0w40. | Feb 07 03:31 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Wikipedia has a section on policy positions of all the Democrats running for President. | Feb 07 03:37 |
DaemonFC[m] | I know Joe Biden's. | Feb 07 03:38 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/more-advice-from-joe-biden-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-door | Feb 07 03:38 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonexaminer.com | More advice from Joe Biden: 'Just fire the shotgun through the door' | Feb 07 03:38 | |
DaemonFC[m] | “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” | Feb 07 03:39 |
oiaohm | That what you call incorrect advice. | Feb 07 03:40 |
danielp3344 | lol | Feb 07 03:40 |
danielp3344 | TBH I prefer an AR for groundhog hunting | Feb 07 03:40 |
MinceR | yeah, just fire the shotgun through the door, and then guard your doorless house | Feb 07 03:44 |
MinceR | though the AR-15 would be better if it was selective fire | Feb 07 03:45 |
MinceR | (and with a short-stroke gas piston system) | Feb 07 03:45 |
danielp3344 | MinceR: I can't say I'd recommend an AR against people | Feb 07 03:48 |
danielp3344 | Those are tiny pieces of lead to actually stop someone | Feb 07 03:48 |
danielp3344 | shotgun or if you must have a rifle something 30 caliber at least | Feb 07 03:48 |
MinceR | :) | Feb 07 03:49 |
MinceR | or a USAS-12 | Feb 07 03:50 |
MinceR | then again, carrying ammo for that would be even more difficult | Feb 07 03:50 |
danielp3344 | lol | Feb 07 03:51 |
*danielp3344 has a shotgun | Feb 07 03:51 | |
oiaohm | danielp3344: when it comes to the measure of stopping power 30 caliber and 22 are not that fair apart. To the point with both of them unless you do a kill shot even using hollow points they are unlikely to stop the person attacking you. | Feb 07 03:59 |
oiaohm | 22 will go throw less if you miss. | Feb 07 04:00 |
oiaohm | throw/through | Feb 07 04:00 |
DaemonFC[m] | I prefer the FN-PS90. | Feb 07 04:00 |
MinceR | i prefer the P90 to that :> | Feb 07 04:01 |
danielp3344 | lol | Feb 07 04:09 |
danielp3344 | oiaohm: 30 caliber is almost double the 'hole area' and a much larger mass | Feb 07 04:10 |
danielp3344 | But if I was defending my house I would just have a 12 gauge shotgun | Feb 07 04:10 |
oiaohm | MinceR: really a proper setup P90 and PS90 the PS90 is shorter. P90 was designed in it barrel length to have a silencer. PS90 barrel length does not require one. | Feb 07 04:11 |
oiaohm | danielp3344: double the hole area does not in fact double the stopping power rating. | Feb 07 04:12 |
danielp3344 | <oiaohm "Daniel Peterson: double the hole"> no but it sounds more impressive :P | Feb 07 04:13 |
oiaohm | danielp3344: I know its less than 1% increase in stopping power. Stopping power calcuation is how likely the person shot by it is going to be stopped from keeping on attacking. | Feb 07 04:14 |
danielp3344 | I mainly just have a problem fighting people with a round that sometimes has trouble effectively taking down groundhogs :P | Feb 07 04:14 |
danielp3344 | <oiaohm "Daniel Peterson: I know its less"> in what kind of timeframe? | Feb 07 04:14 |
oiaohm | danielp3344: in the + 30 mins to death of a shot that is classed not to be a instant stop.. There are tones of places for a 30 or a 22 to hit on human body that are not going to cause enough pain or blood loss to stop them. | Feb 07 04:17 |
oiaohm | Might slow them down but not stop them. | Feb 07 04:17 |
danielp3344 | pain is not a good method of stopping people as it tends to make the problem worse if it doesn't work | Feb 07 04:17 |
danielp3344 | blood loss takes time | Feb 07 04:17 |
oiaohm | Pain will work to stop you if it insanely broad enough. As some of the microwave area defence weapons show. | Feb 07 04:20 |
oiaohm | Firearm of any form being able to generate enough pain to do that effectively I think is unlikely. | Feb 07 04:21 |
danielp3344 | <oiaohm "Pain will work to stop you if it"> nah | Feb 07 04:21 |
danielp3344 | only the weak minded ones :P | Feb 07 04:22 |
oiaohm | No its not weak minded ones. | Feb 07 04:22 |
oiaohm | Its nerve system overload. | Feb 07 04:22 |
oiaohm | Todo that you are taking about needing to trigger above 60% of your body pain sensors. | Feb 07 04:23 |
oiaohm | danielp3344: idea of weak minded is wrong. Human body does have some designed in features that can be exploited to stop a person. Most of them not easy to use. | Feb 07 04:24 |
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MinceR | oiaohm: afaict PS90 is single shot only | Feb 07 14:27 |
MinceR | and with other misfeatures to comply with government regulations regarding what they allow civilians to defend themselves | Feb 07 14:29 |
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oiaohm | MinceR: PS90 being a semi-auto as in a single shot per trigger pull and barrel length is about the only major changes There is the PS90 SBR that you can get the shorter barrel but for correct range performance you need to put a suppressor(silencer) on that basically the same problem as the P90. The rounds were design for barrel+suppressor for P90. | Feb 07 15:46 |
MinceR | i don't see what's so bad about having a suppressor | Feb 07 15:48 |
MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/24/567dfbb276e6ccae.jpg | Feb 07 15:48 |
oiaohm | Maintenance I have seen P90 fitted with the PS90 barrel for military training. Its a lot simpler to clean straight up barrel and be sure it right than cleaning suppessors. | Feb 07 15:49 |
oiaohm | So the longer barrel does bring some positives. | Feb 07 15:49 |
oiaohm | MinceR: yes there are cases that 90 would start in the field with a suppressors and willing fighting having to remove and drop it due to the general things that go wrong with suppressors. Basically suppressor is a double sided sword item. Helps on one hand and purely causes trouble on another. | Feb 07 15:52 |
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oiaohm | Someone not really training with the weapon to understand how it behaving when suppressor as screwed up(this will be causing wild shots) is better off having the longer barrel and no suppressor | Feb 07 15:53 |
MinceR | semi-auto is a pretty big disadvantage in itself | Feb 07 15:58 |
oiaohm | The barrel is here or there. Most people are not aware that when you put a good suppressor on a weapon designed for a suppressor its effectively a barrel extension increasing accuracy and speed of round. This is why using a weapon design for suppressor without suppressor screws things up. | Feb 07 16:00 |
oiaohm | semi-auto for self defence can be a better choice in untrained. The frozen trigger finger problem causing a person untrained with full auto to shot stuff they were not attending to. | Feb 07 16:02 |
oiaohm | MinceR: so semi-auto/full auto is also kind of here or there. If your target for lightly trained or not regularly training person the way would design the weapon would end up at the PS90. | Feb 07 16:04 |
MinceR | selective fire lets even noobs choose between full auto and semi-auto | Feb 07 16:05 |
MinceR | also, if you're looking to stop people, you'll probably want more hits | Feb 07 16:05 |
MinceR | also, the us governments' efforts to keep full auto out of the people's hands are telling | Feb 07 16:06 |
oiaohm | Lot of mil weapons don't have full auto any more they only have 3 shot burst. | Feb 07 16:06 |
MinceR | yeah, for conscripts and the like | Feb 07 16:07 |
oiaohm | Mostly because if you have not done fatal/stopping damage with 3 shots the next rounds after that are 99.999% of the time pointless. | Feb 07 16:07 |
oiaohm | and end up hitting targets they are not meaning to. | Feb 07 16:07 |
MinceR | how do you deliver suppressive fire with semi-auto or 3 shot burst? | Feb 07 16:08 |
oiaohm | That 99.999% was the same result from US/EU and Russia studies. | Feb 07 16:08 |
oiaohm | You mean the spray and pray logic. | Feb 07 16:09 |
MinceR | no, i mean fire support | Feb 07 16:10 |
oiaohm | Reality it does not work you can be equally suppressive to target movement with burst shots. | Feb 07 16:10 |
oiaohm | No its spray and pray. | Feb 07 16:10 |
oiaohm | Lot of people like to call it fire support. | Feb 07 16:10 |
MinceR | including the people whose job it is | Feb 07 16:10 |
oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_support Fire support is USA military define. Not Australian recognised one because it been proven mostly ineffective and resource wasting idea. | Feb 07 16:12 |
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oiaohm | MinceR: why do we nick name the USA idea of full auto cover fire spray and pray. You are spraying buillets giving away you exactly location with sound and you are praying no one is near you with a motorer lancher who morters your location. | Feb 07 16:18 |
MinceR | why would they need to be near you? | Feb 07 16:19 |
MinceR | also, at that point they might as well use a howitzer :> | Feb 07 16:19 |
oiaohm | Exactly the person with motor launcher does not have to be inside your operational range of your gun with full auto. | Feb 07 16:20 |
oiaohm | Its better to use the wack a mole version of suppression stick you head up fire 1 to 3 shots and move to another location. If you do that as a unit you have equal to more suppression with less rounds used. | Feb 07 16:22 |
MinceR | also, afaik the us government bans 3 shot burst the same as full auto | Feb 07 16:23 |
MinceR | for civilians | Feb 07 16:23 |
MinceR | and the PS90 is semi-auto only | Feb 07 16:23 |
oiaohm | Australian AR-15 for Australian solders was made without full auto only semi-auto or 3 shot burst. Because the full auto on something ar-15 or smaller basically does not make any sense. | Feb 07 16:24 |
oiaohm | Lot of ways the full auto on the P90 was a mistake. PS90 is a step to far the other way. There need to be a PS/P90 with burst mode. | Feb 07 16:26 |
MinceR | the SIG 550 even lets operators choose between safe, semi-auto, 3-round burst and full automatic | Feb 07 16:26 |
oiaohm | SIG 550 in current makes have the ablity to add a lock pin that blocks out solider using full automatic. | Feb 07 16:28 |
oiaohm | Full auto good for showing off very limited usage on battle field. | Feb 07 16:28 |
oiaohm | MinceR: please note the SIG 550 design allows for that pin to be welded in. | Feb 07 16:32 |
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oiaohm | MinceR: there is a interesting reason why its 3 shot burst. Its so you stick you head up shorter than the time it will take a sniper to aim and shot you. 4 shot burst you most likely would have your head up for too long. Please note mortar I gave as example but its not your only major headache to full auto. | Feb 07 16:38 |
MinceR | that would also depend on rate of fire | Feb 07 16:45 |
oiaohm | Not exactly. Humans can dependably count to 3 under pressure. Ie 1 2 ok is three start ducking.. If you have to count to 4 under pressure sometimes you will think 4 is 3 for some reason and be their waiting for the 5 shot that your brain in thinking should be 4. | Feb 07 16:48 |
oiaohm | So not rate of file. Stupid human limitation. | Feb 07 16:49 |
MinceR | you could have an assault rifle with double the fire rate and a 6 round burst option | Feb 07 16:49 |
MinceR | and you could fire 6 rounds in the same amount of time | Feb 07 16:49 |
oiaohm | No good. | Feb 07 16:49 |
oiaohm | Loss count and not duck. | Feb 07 16:49 |
MinceR | so the sniper would have the same amount of time to try and shoot you | Feb 07 16:49 |
MinceR | and you don't need to count because the rifle takes care of it | Feb 07 16:50 |
oiaohm | That not correct. | Feb 07 16:50 |
oiaohm | You have to count to plan your body movements. | Feb 07 16:50 |
oiaohm | Australian mil tried what you were saying with metal storm weapons. | Feb 07 16:50 |
oiaohm | You know the buggers that can fire a million rounds a second. | Feb 07 16:50 |
MinceR | and they're probably not man-portable | Feb 07 16:51 |
oiaohm | They made a hand gun version same weight as glock and a rifle version same kind of weight as ar-15 to try this stuff out. | Feb 07 16:51 |
oiaohm | Turns out us doing 1 2 3 to lift things and other things is done by human no matter your language or background. Its stupidly part of way human is wired. | Feb 07 16:53 |
MinceR | that's totally doable without the counts having to be actual shots | Feb 07 16:53 |
MinceR | hell, they could have an earphone and a device that counts starting with a trigger pull for them | Feb 07 16:54 |
oiaohm | Turns out you are not counting by hearing. Its the recoil. | Feb 07 16:55 |
oiaohm | They did a lot of tests. | Feb 07 16:55 |
MinceR | they can also get a tactile signal | Feb 07 16:55 |
oiaohm | There did get a 6 shot burst to work but that as 3 pair of 2 rounds. So a burst inside a burst. | Feb 07 16:55 |
oiaohm | So a 6 shot fire that sounded and felt like a 3 shot burst. | Feb 07 16:56 |
oiaohm | But doing that with mechanics instead of computer chip (as metal storm weapons can) would bring hell load of complexity to weapon | Feb 07 16:57 |
oiaohm | Human limits are wacky at times. | Feb 07 16:59 |
MinceR | it doesn't have to be part of the weapon, except for an extra contact at the trigger | Feb 07 17:07 |
MinceR | if they can't convince their soldiers to use the 3-round burst setting instead of the full auto setting without welding in a pin, is that a "human limit"? :> | Feb 07 17:08 |
MinceR | instead of a contact, it could even be an optical sensor | Feb 07 17:08 |
MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/uN1Amsk.mp4 | Feb 07 17:11 |
oiaohm | Its the normal human error problem why the feature has to be locked out or removed. Person will be thinking they are turning the weapon in hurry from locked to burst and end up at full auto. | Feb 07 17:13 |
MinceR | would they yank the pin out by human error in a hurry if it wasn't welded in? | Feb 07 17:15 |
oiaohm | Forget to put the pin back in after cleaning would happen. Its a extra part you have to remember to put back. Soliders complained that they were having to strip down their weapons multi times to put the pin back in because they would get the weapon back in one piece and find that pin left over. | Feb 07 17:17 |
oiaohm | MinceR: yes this is a sad comedy of human screw ups. | Feb 07 17:18 |
MinceR | and they couldn't figure out what to do with the extra pin that was left? | Feb 07 17:18 |
oiaohm | No they were complaining because they did figger out what the extra pin was and that to put it back in was take the weapon almost complete apart again to put it back in. | Feb 07 17:19 |
oiaohm | Basically they are happier with the pin in for good for how little use full auto has once you are use to using burst mode right. | Feb 07 17:20 |
MinceR | then the design could be improved so the pin isn't so difficult to take out or put in | Feb 07 17:21 |
MinceR | also, if it was acceptable to weld the pin in, why isn't it acceptable to just leave it in while cleaning the gun? | Feb 07 17:22 |
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oiaohm | You would not also be thinking that using full auto instead of burst is life threating. | Feb 07 17:22 |
MinceR | i doubt they welded over all the gaps where stuff could get in | Feb 07 17:22 |
MinceR | well, life threatening is kind of the whole point of these devices | Feb 07 17:22 |
oiaohm | Think you think it on burst you are holding the trigger down but its full auto you duck down and now point barrel in kind of direction of your own side. This is not going to end well. | Feb 07 17:23 |
MinceR | wouldn't i just momentarily press the trigger and expect the mechanism to take care of the other 2 shots? | Feb 07 17:24 |
oiaohm | Issue is pin in make it a little harder to take trigger appart to clean it. | Feb 07 17:24 |
MinceR | so welding it in is surely worse | Feb 07 17:24 |
oiaohm | Slightly worse at cleaning. | Feb 07 17:24 |
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oiaohm | With the pin removable it has the tempation to remove it so the trigger comes apart simpler. | Feb 07 17:25 |
oiaohm | MinceR: you can fire a single shot in burst mode if you let go of the trigger fast enough. | Feb 07 17:25 |
MinceR | might be an issue :> | Feb 07 17:25 |
oiaohm | You hold the trigger to send the burst. | Feb 07 17:26 |
oiaohm | The mechanics of these systems kind of make it really only safe to have either full auto or burst. Both equal someone incorrect is going to die. | Feb 07 17:27 |
MinceR | or people could pay attention while operating their guns | Feb 07 17:27 |
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MinceR | or we can replace human soldiers with robots that will :> | Feb 07 17:27 |
oiaohm | That the problem paying attention to what going on around you on battle field means as human you are detracted. | Feb 07 17:28 |
oiaohm | from putting attention into weapon. | Feb 07 17:28 |
MinceR | also, the UI could be improved | Feb 07 17:28 |
MinceR | instead of a single switch, they could have two, with one specifying whether to limit bursts to 3 shots or not | Feb 07 17:29 |
oiaohm | That was tried. | Feb 07 17:29 |
oiaohm | Humans screwed up just the same. | Feb 07 17:29 |
oiaohm | they even tried having two different makes of weapons one with burst and one with auto and humans would screw up with that as well. | Feb 07 17:30 |
MinceR | maybe they need higher standards of intelligence for their soldiers | Feb 07 17:30 |
oiaohm | They checked that. | Feb 07 17:31 |
oiaohm | Scary part was the greater the idiot the soldier was the more likely they would just follow procedure and be more likely to use the weapon right. Basically dumb enough not to be able to think tattically and be your stupid cannon fooder | Feb 07 17:32 |
oiaohm | Also that lower intelligence soldier would be not thinking tactically well enough to conserve ammo. So this would be the solider who on the battle field runs out of ammo and is easy kill. | Feb 07 17:35 |
danielp3344 | I'm very torn now | Feb 07 17:37 |
danielp3344 | My phone runs openrc, which is fine right now | Feb 07 17:37 |
danielp3344 | But it could run systemd | Feb 07 17:37 |
danielp3344 | and then I would spend less time writing shell scripts for everything | Feb 07 17:37 |
danielp3344 | and it would annoy MinceR :P | Feb 07 17:37 |
MinceR | lol | Feb 07 17:38 |
MinceR | it would eventually annoy you more than it annoys me | Feb 07 17:38 |
danielp3344 | MinceR: I've been using systemd for years | Feb 07 17:38 |
danielp3344 | no problems with it yet | Feb 07 17:38 |
danielp3344 | other than the portability thing | Feb 07 17:39 |
MinceR | "yet" being the key word | Feb 07 17:39 |
danielp3344 | now how do I get this thing to sleep.... | Feb 07 17:39 |
oiaohm | MinceR: In some ways designing weapons that work on the battle field when you read over all the studies makes server management look simple. | Feb 07 17:39 |
danielp3344 | and not shut down when I hit the power button | Feb 07 17:39 |
MinceR | probably via /etc/inittab | Feb 07 17:40 |
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danielp3344 | right now I need to make networkmanager work | Feb 07 17:41 |
MinceR | at least the three-finger-salute command is there | Feb 07 17:41 |
MinceR | ah, you're going to redesign and reimplement networkmangler? :> | Feb 07 17:41 |
danielp3344 | <MinceR "at least the three-finger-salute"> yeah but that's different :P | Feb 07 17:41 |
danielp3344 | <MinceR "ah, you're going to redesign and"> it's already there, by default | Feb 07 17:42 |
oiaohm | MinceR: remember he said phone. | Feb 07 17:42 |
MinceR | yes, but it's crap | Feb 07 17:42 |
danielp3344 | I'm just trying to convince it that I don't need to be root to do stuff | Feb 07 17:42 |
MinceR | oiaohm: you can do a three-finger salute on a phone too | Feb 07 17:42 |
MinceR | just plug in a keyboard :> | Feb 07 17:42 |
danielp3344 | MinceR: how? | Feb 07 17:42 |
danielp3344 | oh pfft | Feb 07 17:42 |
danielp3344 | 'let me just grab my magical shutdown device from my backpack...' | Feb 07 17:43 |
danielp3344 | :P | Feb 07 17:43 |
oiaohm | MinceR: I like removable battery on phones for development. On phones well designed power button is your other option. | Feb 07 17:43 |
tedbox | MinceR: I don't get that farmer j oke | Feb 07 17:43 |
MinceR | https://stevenharman.net/assets/images/posts/ctrl-alt-del.gif | Feb 07 17:43 |
danielp3344 | nice | Feb 07 17:44 |
danielp3344 | I suppose it could be used for emacs too :P | Feb 07 17:44 |
MinceR | tedbox: the original text from the meme would be "It ain't much but it's honest work" | Feb 07 17:44 |
MinceR | a set of pedals would probably work better for emacs | Feb 07 17:45 |
oiaohm | I still remember having set of pedals under desk for changing connected computer by kvm. | Feb 07 17:45 |
MinceR | yeah, i saw such a kvm switch but it only supported 2 computers | Feb 07 17:46 |
MinceR | https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/23caf2/this_keyboard_has_a_dedicated_ctrlaltdel_button/ | Feb 07 17:46 |
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oiaohm | MinceR: the one I had was a 16 way. | Feb 07 17:47 |
MinceR | nice | Feb 07 17:47 |
MinceR | was it an ATEN that cost a fortune? :> | Feb 07 17:47 |
oiaohm | It was 2 output screens and mice. So you did have to remember how to use the peddels. | Feb 07 17:48 |
oiaohm | It was a nice custom one off. | Feb 07 17:48 |
MinceR | ic | Feb 07 17:48 |
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oiaohm | It only supported up to vga. | Feb 07 17:49 |
oiaohm | at first | Feb 07 17:49 |
MinceR | the (relatively cheap) KVM switch i bought didn't like most of my keyboards or mice, sadly | Feb 07 17:49 |
oiaohm | was extend to anlog dvi then scrapped. | Feb 07 17:49 |
MinceR | i only needed it for input switching | Feb 07 17:49 |
MinceR | i gave up on it pretty quickly | Feb 07 17:49 |
tedbox | MinceR: got it... | Feb 07 17:49 |
tedbox | (ted box is the dying machine) | Feb 07 17:50 |
MinceR | i doubt any one of them would like these USB NKRO keyboards and gaming mice anyway | Feb 07 17:50 |
tedbox | (setting up konversation is the new laptop | Feb 07 17:50 |
MinceR | they're effectively multiple USB devices in one | Feb 07 17:50 |
MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/15/2106c17a0f0c705b.mp4 | Feb 07 17:51 |
danielp3344 | MinceR: now I'm having second thoughts.... | Feb 07 17:54 |
danielp3344 | It's kinda fun to script everything from scratch | Feb 07 17:54 |
danielp3344 | exactly how I want it | Feb 07 17:54 |
MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/4Bi3y3L.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2NjoJHP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3ZzwJDF.jpg | Feb 07 17:54 |
MinceR | :> | Feb 07 17:55 |
danielp3344 | nvm | Feb 07 17:55 |
danielp3344 | suspending killed everything :/ | Feb 07 17:55 |
MinceR | my favorite way to set up wifi was ifconfig on openbsd | Feb 07 17:55 |
oiaohm | MinceR: hmm that keyboard with cntrl-alt-delete button how long until cat learns to push it. | Feb 07 17:55 |
MinceR | (well, also, dhclient) | Feb 07 17:55 |
MinceR | oiaohm: then the cat will have ms-dos and windows skills | Feb 07 17:56 |
MinceR | (and soon systemd) | Feb 07 17:56 |
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MinceR | :) | Feb 07 19:51 |
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MinceR | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/07/open_source_security_defamation/ | Feb 07 21:07 |
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MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/24/1cbd3c3875bd47a4.jpg | Feb 07 21:08 |
XRevan86 | After making a simple wrapper on WinAPI a month ago and then seeing it in action, I've decided to make this: https://i.imgur.com/MLt1Ajw.mp4 | Feb 07 21:21 |
MinceR | y tho | Feb 07 21:22 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: Why the video or why writing anything at all for the shittiest platform? | Feb 07 21:23 |
MinceR | the latter | Feb 07 21:23 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: Just to reduce the suffering of some people. It's not really worth a mention, except for certain discoveries I've made %). | Feb 07 21:24 |
MinceR | sounds futile | Feb 07 21:25 |
MinceR | they've chosen to inflict suffering on themselves | Feb 07 21:25 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, the dean likes me now, so it depends :) | Feb 07 21:25 |
MinceR | :> | Feb 07 21:25 |
MinceR | and why does the malware believe it's malware? | Feb 07 21:26 |
XRevan86 | And as a PoC I really liked how otvdm did the impossible, and with Wine's help. | Feb 07 21:26 |
XRevan86 | So now some Windows users will casually run a piece of software that literally has a bit of Wine embedded in it :) | Feb 07 21:27 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: Absolutely everything's on the video. | Feb 07 21:27 |
MinceR | just trying to run notepad.exe this way is something malware does according to avast? | Feb 07 21:28 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: No, it's about having CreateProcess inside WinMainCRTStartup (_start) apparently. | Feb 07 21:28 |
MinceR | ic | Feb 07 21:28 |
XRevan86 | and stripping changes the kind of virus it deems this programme %) | Feb 07 21:29 |
XRevan86 | Which I've also shown | Feb 07 21:29 |
XRevan86 | Same happens with mainCRTStartup (also _start, but for "console" programmes) | Feb 07 21:31 |
XRevan86 | So yea, viruses are out to get ya, get an antivirus before it's too late! | Feb 07 21:32 |
MinceR | lol | Feb 07 21:33 |
MinceR | perhaps they consider it heresy to use WinMainCRTStartup instead of WinMain or whatever and mainCRTStartup instead of main or whatever | Feb 07 21:33 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: Avast was also triggered on clang.exe from https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releases | Feb 07 21:34 |
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XRevan86 | (and other binaries too) | Feb 07 21:35 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: I guess they just made a crappy check and it didn't break too many programmes for them to care. | Feb 07 21:35 |
XRevan86 | As it is indeed much more common to link with libc. | Feb 07 21:36 |
XRevan86 | If I move CreateProcess to a separate function, then it stops triggering. And then if I employ -flto, it triggers once again. LTO optimises the function away I guess. | Feb 07 21:38 |
DaemonFC[m] | "Open Source Security – the maker of the grsecurity patches that harden Linux kernels against attack" | Feb 07 21:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | I believe Linus objected to some of their "security" work because it actually broke userspace horribly in some cases. | Feb 07 21:46 |
MinceR | from the people who claim that Treacherous Security and other microsloth products help your security | Feb 07 21:46 |
MinceR | oops | Feb 07 21:46 |
MinceR | s/Security/Computing/ | Feb 07 21:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | I was able to remove the version lock on the Linux 5.3.10 kernel and update to 5.5.2 for F31 from Koji. Power management on my Intel Skylake CPU seems to be back to normal. The entire 5.4 series had been broken. | Feb 07 21:47 |
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XFaCE | Really? Can you elaborate? | Feb 07 22:01 |
XFaCE | Broken for that CPU? | Feb 07 22:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | For the Skylake graphics chipset. | Feb 07 22:02 |
DaemonFC[m] | And for some others, I heard certain 5.4 kernels wouldn't even boot. | Feb 07 22:03 |
DaemonFC[m] | I'm going to have to start really reading the release notes on new kernels so this doesn't happen again. | Feb 07 22:03 |
DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi feels more like Presto-era Opera than other browsers. The font rendering is even better, and the pages even feel like they're being drawn to the screen faster and with less glitching than other Chromium browsers. | Feb 07 22:12 |
superkuh | Still chromium. | Feb 07 22:32 |
psydroid | Skylake hardware is already 4-5 years old, I wonder when they are going to abandon that | Feb 07 22:35 |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/652206.jpg | Feb 07 23:18 |
DaemonFC[m] | Skylake is 2016. | Feb 07 23:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | Should work fine for quite some time. | Feb 07 23:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | Linux works okay on processors from 2006 with a lighter desktop environment. | Feb 07 23:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi is quickly becoming my favorite browser. | Feb 07 23:27 |
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oiaohm | psydroid: thinking Skylake was 14nm process and intel is still using a 14nm process. | Feb 07 23:33 |
oiaohm | Yes the process has been refined a bit but still. | Feb 07 23:33 |
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