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DaemonFC[m]I might switch to a 5w40 synthetic next time.Feb 07 03:30
DaemonFC[m]Or a 0w40.Feb 07 03:31
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DaemonFC[m]Wikipedia has a section on policy positions of all the Democrats running for President.Feb 07 03:37
DaemonFC[m]I know Joe Biden's. Feb 07 03:38
DaemonFC[m]https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/more-advice-from-joe-biden-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-doorFeb 07 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonexaminer.com | More advice from Joe Biden: 'Just fire the shotgun through the door'Feb 07 03:38
DaemonFC[m]“Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”Feb 07 03:39
oiaohmThat what you call incorrect advice.Feb 07 03:40
danielp3344lolFeb 07 03:40
danielp3344TBH I prefer an AR for groundhog huntingFeb 07 03:40
MinceRyeah, just fire the shotgun through the door, and then guard your doorless houseFeb 07 03:44
MinceRthough the AR-15 would be better if it was selective fireFeb 07 03:45
MinceR(and with a short-stroke gas piston system)Feb 07 03:45
danielp3344MinceR: I can't say I'd recommend an AR against peopleFeb 07 03:48
danielp3344Those are tiny pieces of lead to actually stop someoneFeb 07 03:48
danielp3344shotgun or if you must have a rifle something 30 caliber at leastFeb 07 03:48
MinceR:)Feb 07 03:49
MinceRor a USAS-12Feb 07 03:50
MinceRthen again, carrying ammo for that would be even more difficultFeb 07 03:50
danielp3344lolFeb 07 03:51
*danielp3344 has a shotgunFeb 07 03:51
oiaohmdanielp3344: when it comes to the measure of stopping power  30 caliber and 22 are not that fair apart.   To the point with both of them unless you do a kill shot even using hollow points they are unlikely to stop the person attacking you.Feb 07 03:59
oiaohm22 will go throw less if you miss.Feb 07 04:00
oiaohmthrow/throughFeb 07 04:00
DaemonFC[m]I prefer the FN-PS90.Feb 07 04:00
MinceRi prefer the P90 to that :>Feb 07 04:01
danielp3344lolFeb 07 04:09
danielp3344oiaohm: 30 caliber is almost double the 'hole area' and a much larger massFeb 07 04:10
danielp3344But if I was defending my house I would just have a 12 gauge shotgunFeb 07 04:10
oiaohmMinceR: really a proper setup P90 and PS90 the PS90 is shorter.    P90 was designed in it barrel length to have a silencer.   PS90 barrel length does not require one.   Feb 07 04:11
oiaohmdanielp3344: double the hole area does not in fact double the stopping power rating.Feb 07 04:12
danielp3344<oiaohm "Daniel Peterson: double the hole"> no but it sounds more impressive :PFeb 07 04:13
oiaohmdanielp3344: I know its less than 1% increase in stopping power.   Stopping power calcuation is how likely the person shot by it is going to be stopped from keeping on attacking.Feb 07 04:14
danielp3344I mainly just have a problem fighting people with a round that sometimes has trouble effectively taking down groundhogs :PFeb 07 04:14
danielp3344<oiaohm "Daniel Peterson: I know its less"> in what kind of timeframe?Feb 07 04:14
oiaohmdanielp3344: in the + 30 mins to death of a shot that is classed not to be a instant stop..    There are tones of places for a 30 or a 22 to hit on human body that are not going to cause enough pain or blood loss to stop them.Feb 07 04:17
oiaohmMight slow them down but not stop them.Feb 07 04:17
danielp3344pain is not a good method of stopping people as it tends to make the problem worse if it doesn't workFeb 07 04:17
danielp3344blood loss takes timeFeb 07 04:17
oiaohmPain will work to stop you if it insanely broad enough.   As some of the microwave area defence weapons show.Feb 07 04:20
oiaohmFirearm of any form being able to generate enough pain to do that effectively I think is unlikely.Feb 07 04:21
danielp3344<oiaohm "Pain will work to stop you if it"> nahFeb 07 04:21
danielp3344only the weak minded ones :PFeb 07 04:22
oiaohmNo its not weak minded ones.Feb 07 04:22
oiaohmIts nerve system overload.Feb 07 04:22
oiaohmTodo that you are taking about needing to trigger above 60% of your body pain sensors.Feb 07 04:23
oiaohmdanielp3344: idea of weak minded is wrong.  Human body does have some designed in features that can be exploited to stop a person.  Most of them not easy to use.Feb 07 04:24
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MinceRoiaohm: afaict PS90 is single shot onlyFeb 07 14:27
MinceRand with other misfeatures to comply with government regulations regarding what they allow civilians to defend themselvesFeb 07 14:29
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oiaohmMinceR: PS90 being a semi-auto as in a single shot per trigger pull and barrel length is about the only major changes  There is the PS90 SBR that you can get the shorter barrel but for correct range performance you need to put a suppressor(silencer) on that basically the same problem as the P90.  The rounds were design for barrel+suppressor for P90.Feb 07 15:46
MinceRi don't see what's so bad about having a suppressorFeb 07 15:48
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/24/567dfbb276e6ccae.jpgFeb 07 15:48
oiaohmMaintenance  I have seen P90 fitted with the PS90 barrel for military training.   Its a lot simpler to clean straight up barrel and be sure it right than cleaning suppessors. Feb 07 15:49
oiaohmSo the longer barrel does bring some positives.Feb 07 15:49
oiaohmMinceR: yes there are cases that 90 would start in the field with a suppressors and willing fighting having to remove and drop it due to the general things that go wrong with suppressors.   Basically suppressor is a double sided sword item.  Helps on one hand and purely causes trouble on another.Feb 07 15:52
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oiaohmSomeone not really training with the weapon to understand how it behaving when suppressor as screwed up(this will be causing wild shots) is better off having the longer barrel and no suppressorFeb 07 15:53
MinceRsemi-auto is a pretty big disadvantage in itselfFeb 07 15:58
oiaohmThe barrel is  here or there.   Most people are not aware that when you put a good suppressor on a weapon designed for a suppressor its effectively a barrel extension increasing accuracy and speed of round.   This is why using a weapon design for suppressor without suppressor screws things up.Feb 07 16:00
oiaohmsemi-auto for self defence can be a better choice in untrained.   The frozen trigger finger problem causing a person untrained with full auto to shot stuff they were not attending to.Feb 07 16:02
oiaohmMinceR: so semi-auto/full auto is also kind of here or there.  If your target for lightly trained or not regularly training person the way would design the weapon would end up at the PS90.Feb 07 16:04
MinceRselective fire lets even noobs choose between full auto and semi-autoFeb 07 16:05
MinceRalso, if you're looking to stop people, you'll probably want more hitsFeb 07 16:05
MinceRalso, the us governments' efforts to keep full auto out of the people's hands are tellingFeb 07 16:06
oiaohmLot of mil weapons don't have full auto any more they only have 3 shot burst.Feb 07 16:06
MinceRyeah, for conscripts and the likeFeb 07 16:07
oiaohmMostly because if you have not done fatal/stopping damage with 3 shots the next rounds after that are 99.999% of the time pointless.Feb 07 16:07
oiaohmand end up hitting targets they are not meaning to.Feb 07 16:07
MinceRhow do you deliver suppressive fire with semi-auto or 3 shot burst?Feb 07 16:08
oiaohmThat 99.999% was the same result from US/EU and Russia studies.Feb 07 16:08
oiaohmYou mean the spray and pray logic.Feb 07 16:09
MinceRno, i mean fire supportFeb 07 16:10
oiaohmReality it does not work you can be equally suppressive to target movement with burst shots.Feb 07 16:10
oiaohmNo its spray and pray.Feb 07 16:10
oiaohmLot of people like to call it fire support.Feb 07 16:10
MinceRincluding the people whose job it isFeb 07 16:10
oiaohmMinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_support   Fire support is USA military define.  Not Australian recognised one because it been proven mostly ineffective and resource wasting idea.Feb 07 16:12
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oiaohmMinceR: why do we nick name the USA idea of full auto cover fire spray and pray.  You are spraying buillets giving away you exactly location with sound and you are praying no one is near you with a motorer lancher who morters your location.Feb 07 16:18
MinceRwhy would they need to be near you?Feb 07 16:19
MinceRalso, at that point they might as well use a howitzer :>Feb 07 16:19
oiaohmExactly the person with motor launcher does not have to be inside your operational range of your gun with full auto.Feb 07 16:20
oiaohmIts better to use the wack a mole version of suppression stick you head up fire 1 to 3 shots and move to another location.  If you do that as a unit you have equal to more suppression with less rounds used.Feb 07 16:22
MinceRalso, afaik the us government bans 3 shot burst the same as full autoFeb 07 16:23
MinceRfor civiliansFeb 07 16:23
MinceRand the PS90 is semi-auto onlyFeb 07 16:23
oiaohmAustralian AR-15 for Australian solders was made without full auto only semi-auto or 3 shot burst.   Because the full auto on something ar-15 or smaller basically does not make any sense.Feb 07 16:24
oiaohmLot of ways the full auto on the P90 was a mistake.   PS90 is a step to far the other way.   There need to be a PS/P90 with burst mode.Feb 07 16:26
MinceRthe SIG 550 even lets operators choose between safe, semi-auto, 3-round burst and full automaticFeb 07 16:26
oiaohmSIG 550 in current makes have the ablity to add a lock pin that blocks out solider using full automatic.Feb 07 16:28
oiaohmFull auto good for showing off very limited usage on battle field.Feb 07 16:28
oiaohmMinceR: please note the SIG 550 design allows for that pin to be welded in.Feb 07 16:32
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oiaohmMinceR: there is a interesting reason why its 3 shot burst.   Its so you stick you head up shorter than the time it will take a sniper to aim and shot you.   4 shot burst you most likely would have your head up for too long.   Please note mortar I gave as example but its not your only major headache to full auto.Feb 07 16:38
MinceRthat would also depend on rate of fireFeb 07 16:45
oiaohmNot exactly.  Humans can dependably count to 3 under pressure.  Ie 1 2 ok is three start ducking..   If you have to count to 4 under pressure sometimes you will think 4 is 3 for some reason and be their waiting for the 5 shot that your brain in thinking should be 4. Feb 07 16:48
oiaohmSo not rate of file.   Stupid human limitation.Feb 07 16:49
MinceRyou could have an assault rifle with double the fire rate and a 6 round burst optionFeb 07 16:49
MinceRand you could fire 6 rounds in the same amount of timeFeb 07 16:49
oiaohmNo good.Feb 07 16:49
oiaohmLoss count and not duck.Feb 07 16:49
MinceRso the sniper would have the same amount of time to try and shoot youFeb 07 16:49
MinceRand you don't need to count because the rifle takes care of itFeb 07 16:50
oiaohmThat not correct.Feb 07 16:50
oiaohmYou have to count to plan your body movements.Feb 07 16:50
oiaohmAustralian mil tried what you were saying with metal storm weapons.Feb 07 16:50
oiaohmYou know the buggers that can fire a million rounds a second.Feb 07 16:50
MinceRand they're probably not man-portableFeb 07 16:51
oiaohmThey made a hand gun version same weight as glock and a rifle version same kind of weight as ar-15 to try this stuff out.Feb 07 16:51
oiaohmTurns out us doing 1 2 3 to lift things and other things is done by human no matter your language or background.  Its stupidly part of way human is wired.Feb 07 16:53
MinceRthat's totally doable without the counts having to be actual shotsFeb 07 16:53
MinceRhell, they could have an earphone and a device that counts starting with a trigger pull for themFeb 07 16:54
oiaohmTurns out you are not counting by hearing.  Its the recoil.Feb 07 16:55
oiaohmThey did a lot of tests.Feb 07 16:55
MinceRthey can also get a tactile signalFeb 07 16:55
oiaohmThere did get a 6 shot burst to work but that as 3 pair of 2 rounds.  So a burst inside a burst.Feb 07 16:55
oiaohmSo a 6 shot fire that sounded and felt like a 3 shot burst.Feb 07 16:56
oiaohmBut doing that with mechanics instead of computer chip (as metal storm weapons can)  would bring hell load of complexity to weapon Feb 07 16:57
oiaohmHuman limits are wacky at times.Feb 07 16:59
MinceRit doesn't have to be part of the weapon, except for an extra contact at the triggerFeb 07 17:07
MinceRif they can't convince their soldiers to use the 3-round burst setting instead of the full auto setting without welding in a pin, is that a "human limit"? :>Feb 07 17:08
MinceRinstead of a contact, it could even be an optical sensorFeb 07 17:08
MinceR(audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/uN1Amsk.mp4Feb 07 17:11
oiaohmIts the normal human error problem why the feature has to be locked out or removed.    Person will be thinking they are turning the weapon in hurry from locked to burst and end up at full auto.Feb 07 17:13
MinceRwould they yank the pin out by human error in a hurry if it wasn't welded in?Feb 07 17:15
oiaohmForget to put the pin back in after cleaning would happen.    Its a extra part you have to remember to put back.   Soliders complained that they were having to strip down their weapons multi times to put the pin back in because they would get the weapon back in one piece and find that pin left over.Feb 07 17:17
oiaohmMinceR: yes this is a sad comedy of human screw ups. Feb 07 17:18
MinceRand they couldn't figure out what to do with the extra pin that was left?Feb 07 17:18
oiaohmNo they were complaining because they did figger out what the extra pin was and that to put it back in was take the weapon almost complete apart again to put it back in.Feb 07 17:19
oiaohmBasically they are happier with the pin in for good for how little use full auto has once you are use to using burst mode right.Feb 07 17:20
MinceRthen the design could be improved so the pin isn't so difficult to take out or put inFeb 07 17:21
MinceRalso, if it was acceptable to weld the pin in, why isn't it acceptable to just leave it in while cleaning the gun?Feb 07 17:22
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oiaohmYou would not also be thinking that using full auto instead of burst is life threating.Feb 07 17:22
MinceRi doubt they welded over all the gaps where stuff could get inFeb 07 17:22
MinceRwell, life threatening is kind of the whole point of these devicesFeb 07 17:22
oiaohmThink you think it on burst you are holding the trigger down but its full auto you duck down and now point barrel in kind of direction of your own side.   This is not going to end well.Feb 07 17:23
MinceRwouldn't i just momentarily press the trigger and expect the mechanism to take care of the other 2 shots?Feb 07 17:24
oiaohmIssue is pin in make it a little harder to take trigger appart to clean it.Feb 07 17:24
MinceRso welding it in is surely worseFeb 07 17:24
oiaohmSlightly worse at cleaning.Feb 07 17:24
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oiaohmWith the pin removable it has the tempation to remove it so the trigger comes apart simpler.Feb 07 17:25
oiaohmMinceR: you can fire a single shot in burst mode if you let go of the trigger fast enough.Feb 07 17:25
MinceRmight be an issue :>Feb 07 17:25
oiaohmYou hold the trigger to send the burst.Feb 07 17:26
oiaohmThe mechanics of these systems kind of make it really only safe to have either full auto or burst.  Both equal someone incorrect is going to die. Feb 07 17:27
MinceRor people could pay attention while operating their gunsFeb 07 17:27
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MinceRor we can replace human soldiers with robots that will :>Feb 07 17:27
oiaohmThat the problem paying attention to what going on around you on battle field means as human you are detracted.Feb 07 17:28
oiaohmfrom putting attention into weapon.Feb 07 17:28
MinceRalso, the UI could be improvedFeb 07 17:28
MinceRinstead of a single switch, they could have two, with one specifying whether to limit bursts to 3 shots or notFeb 07 17:29
oiaohmThat was tried.Feb 07 17:29
oiaohmHumans screwed up just the same.Feb 07 17:29
oiaohmthey even tried having two different makes of weapons one with burst and one with auto and humans would screw up with that as well.Feb 07 17:30
MinceRmaybe they need higher standards of intelligence for their soldiersFeb 07 17:30
oiaohmThey checked that.Feb 07 17:31
oiaohmScary part was the greater the idiot the soldier was the more likely they would just follow procedure and be more likely to use the weapon right.   Basically dumb enough not to be able to think tattically and be your stupid cannon fooder Feb 07 17:32
oiaohmAlso that lower  intelligence soldier would be not thinking tactically well enough to conserve ammo.  So this would be the solider who on the battle field runs out of ammo and is easy kill.Feb 07 17:35
danielp3344I'm very torn nowFeb 07 17:37
danielp3344My phone runs openrc, which is fine right nowFeb 07 17:37
danielp3344But it could run systemdFeb 07 17:37
danielp3344and then I would spend less time writing shell scripts for everythingFeb 07 17:37
danielp3344and it would annoy MinceR :PFeb 07 17:37
MinceRlolFeb 07 17:38
MinceRit would eventually annoy you more than it annoys meFeb 07 17:38
danielp3344MinceR: I've been using systemd for yearsFeb 07 17:38
danielp3344no problems with it yetFeb 07 17:38
danielp3344other than the portability thingFeb 07 17:39
MinceR"yet" being the key wordFeb 07 17:39
danielp3344now how do I get this thing to sleep....Feb 07 17:39
oiaohmMinceR: In some ways designing weapons that work on the battle field when you read over all the studies makes server management look simple.Feb 07 17:39
danielp3344and not shut down when I hit the power buttonFeb 07 17:39
MinceRprobably via /etc/inittabFeb 07 17:40
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danielp3344right now I need to make networkmanager workFeb 07 17:41
MinceRat least the three-finger-salute command is thereFeb 07 17:41
MinceRah, you're going to redesign and reimplement networkmangler? :>Feb 07 17:41
danielp3344<MinceR "at least the three-finger-salute"> yeah but that's different :PFeb 07 17:41
danielp3344<MinceR "ah, you're going to redesign and"> it's already there, by defaultFeb 07 17:42
oiaohmMinceR: remember he said phone.Feb 07 17:42
MinceRyes, but it's crapFeb 07 17:42
danielp3344I'm just trying to convince it that I don't need to be root to do stuffFeb 07 17:42
MinceRoiaohm: you can do a three-finger salute on a phone tooFeb 07 17:42
MinceRjust plug in a keyboard :>Feb 07 17:42
danielp3344MinceR: how?Feb 07 17:42
danielp3344oh pfftFeb 07 17:42
danielp3344'let me just grab my magical shutdown device from my backpack...'Feb 07 17:43
danielp3344:PFeb 07 17:43
oiaohmMinceR: I like removable battery on phones for development.  On phones well designed power button is your other option.Feb 07 17:43
tedboxMinceR: I don't get that farmer j  okeFeb 07 17:43
MinceRhttps://stevenharman.net/assets/images/posts/ctrl-alt-del.gifFeb 07 17:43
danielp3344niceFeb 07 17:44
danielp3344I suppose it could be used for emacs too :PFeb 07 17:44
MinceRtedbox: the original text from the meme would be "It ain't much but it's honest work"Feb 07 17:44
MinceRa set of pedals would probably work better for emacsFeb 07 17:45
oiaohmI still remember having set of pedals under desk for changing connected computer by kvm.Feb 07 17:45
MinceRyeah, i saw such a kvm switch but it only supported 2 computersFeb 07 17:46
MinceRhttps://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/23caf2/this_keyboard_has_a_dedicated_ctrlaltdel_button/Feb 07 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | This keyboard has a dedicated ctrl-alt-del button. : mildlyinterestingFeb 07 17:46
oiaohmMinceR: the one I had was a 16 way.Feb 07 17:47
MinceRniceFeb 07 17:47
MinceRwas it an ATEN that cost a fortune? :>Feb 07 17:47
oiaohmIt was 2 output screens and mice.  So you did have to remember how to use the peddels.Feb 07 17:48
oiaohmIt was a nice custom one off.Feb 07 17:48
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oiaohmIt only supported up to vga.Feb 07 17:49
oiaohmat first Feb 07 17:49
MinceRthe (relatively cheap) KVM switch i bought didn't like most of my keyboards or mice, sadlyFeb 07 17:49
oiaohmwas extend to anlog dvi then scrapped.Feb 07 17:49
MinceRi only needed it for input switchingFeb 07 17:49
MinceRi gave up on it pretty quicklyFeb 07 17:49
tedboxMinceR: got it...Feb 07 17:49
tedbox(ted box is the dying machine)Feb 07 17:50
MinceRi doubt any one of them would like these USB NKRO keyboards and gaming mice anywayFeb 07 17:50
tedbox(setting up konversation is the new laptopFeb 07 17:50
MinceRthey're effectively multiple USB devices in oneFeb 07 17:50
MinceRhttps://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/15/2106c17a0f0c705b.mp4Feb 07 17:51
danielp3344MinceR: now I'm having second thoughts....Feb 07 17:54
danielp3344It's kinda fun to script everything from scratchFeb 07 17:54
danielp3344exactly how I want itFeb 07 17:54
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/4Bi3y3L.jpg   https://i.imgur.com/2NjoJHP.jpg   https://i.imgur.com/3ZzwJDF.jpgFeb 07 17:54
MinceR:>Feb 07 17:55
danielp3344nvmFeb 07 17:55
danielp3344suspending killed everything :/Feb 07 17:55
MinceRmy favorite way to set up wifi was ifconfig on openbsdFeb 07 17:55
oiaohmMinceR: hmm that keyboard with cntrl-alt-delete button how long until cat learns to push it.Feb 07 17:55
MinceR(well, also, dhclient)Feb 07 17:55
MinceRoiaohm: then the cat will have ms-dos and windows skillsFeb 07 17:56
MinceR(and soon systemd)Feb 07 17:56
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MinceR:)Feb 07 19:51
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MinceRhttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/07/open_source_security_defamation/Feb 07 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Maker of Linux patch batch grsecurity can't duck $260,000 legal bills, says Cali appeals court in anti-SLAPP case • The RegisterFeb 07 21:07
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/24/1cbd3c3875bd47a4.jpgFeb 07 21:08
XRevan86After making a simple wrapper on WinAPI a month ago and then seeing it in action, I've decided to make this: https://i.imgur.com/MLt1Ajw.mp4Feb 07 21:21
MinceRy thoFeb 07 21:22
XRevan86MinceR: Why the video or why writing anything at all for the shittiest platform?Feb 07 21:23
MinceRthe latterFeb 07 21:23
XRevan86MinceR: Just to reduce the suffering of some people. It's not really worth a mention, except for certain discoveries I've made %).Feb 07 21:24
MinceRsounds futileFeb 07 21:25
MinceRthey've chosen to inflict suffering on themselvesFeb 07 21:25
XRevan86MinceR: Well, the dean likes me now, so it depends :)Feb 07 21:25
MinceR:>Feb 07 21:25
MinceRand why does the malware believe it's malware?Feb 07 21:26
XRevan86And as a PoC I really liked how otvdm did the impossible, and with Wine's help.Feb 07 21:26
XRevan86So now some Windows users will casually run a piece of software that literally has a bit of Wine embedded in it :)Feb 07 21:27
XRevan86MinceR: Absolutely everything's on the video.Feb 07 21:27
MinceRjust trying to run notepad.exe this way is something malware does according to avast?Feb 07 21:28
XRevan86MinceR: No, it's about having CreateProcess inside WinMainCRTStartup (_start) apparently.Feb 07 21:28
MinceRicFeb 07 21:28
XRevan86and stripping changes the kind of virus it deems this programme %)Feb 07 21:29
XRevan86Which I've also shownFeb 07 21:29
XRevan86Same happens with mainCRTStartup (also _start, but for "console" programmes)Feb 07 21:31
XRevan86So yea, viruses are out to get ya, get an antivirus before it's too late!Feb 07 21:32
MinceRlolFeb 07 21:33
MinceRperhaps they consider it heresy to use WinMainCRTStartup instead of WinMain or whatever and mainCRTStartup instead of main or whateverFeb 07 21:33
XRevan86MinceR: Avast was also triggered on clang.exe from https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw/releasesFeb 07 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Releases · mstorsjo/llvm-mingw · GitHubFeb 07 21:34
XRevan86(and other binaries too)Feb 07 21:35
XRevan86MinceR: I guess they just made a crappy check and it didn't break too many programmes for them to care.Feb 07 21:35
XRevan86As it is indeed much more common to link with libc.Feb 07 21:36
XRevan86If I move CreateProcess to a separate function, then it stops triggering. And then if I employ -flto, it triggers once again. LTO optimises the function away I guess.Feb 07 21:38
DaemonFC[m]"Open Source Security – the maker of the grsecurity patches that harden Linux kernels against attack"Feb 07 21:46
DaemonFC[m]I believe Linus objected to some of their "security" work because it actually broke userspace horribly in some cases.Feb 07 21:46
MinceRfrom the people who claim that Treacherous Security and other microsloth products help your securityFeb 07 21:46
MinceRoopsFeb 07 21:46
MinceRs/Security/Computing/Feb 07 21:46
DaemonFC[m]I was able to remove the version lock on the Linux 5.3.10 kernel and update to 5.5.2 for F31 from Koji. Power management on my Intel Skylake CPU seems to be back to normal. The entire 5.4 series had been broken.Feb 07 21:47
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XFaCEReally? Can you elaborate?Feb 07 22:01
XFaCEBroken for that CPU?Feb 07 22:01
DaemonFC[m]For the Skylake graphics chipset.Feb 07 22:02
DaemonFC[m]And for some others, I heard certain 5.4 kernels wouldn't even boot.Feb 07 22:03
DaemonFC[m]I'm going to have to start really reading the release notes on new kernels so this doesn't happen again.Feb 07 22:03
DaemonFC[m]Vivaldi feels more like Presto-era Opera than other browsers. The font rendering is even better, and the pages even feel like they're being drawn to the screen faster and with less glitching than other Chromium browsers.Feb 07 22:12
superkuhStill chromium.Feb 07 22:32
psydroidSkylake hardware is already 4-5 years old, I wonder when they are going to abandon thatFeb 07 22:35
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/652206.jpgFeb 07 23:18
DaemonFC[m]Skylake is 2016.Feb 07 23:26
DaemonFC[m]Should work fine for quite some time.Feb 07 23:26
DaemonFC[m]Linux works okay on processors from 2006 with a lighter desktop environment.Feb 07 23:26
DaemonFC[m]Vivaldi is quickly becoming my favorite browser.Feb 07 23:27
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oiaohmpsydroid: thinking Skylake was 14nm process and intel is still using a 14nm process.Feb 07 23:33
oiaohmYes the process has been refined a bit but still.Feb 07 23:33
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