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[00:46]	MinceR	(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/26/stan-the-cat-crashes-zoom-court-and-gets-entered-into-an-official-trial-record/
[00:46]	TR Bot	 Stan The Cat Is On The Record After Crashing A Zoom Trial Hearing A Thread
[00:51]	matey	"can you read that past statement back please?"
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[00:52]	matey	"yes your honour, the defendent said, 'i had entered the AKAF;;af'fafafjafFjfajhgfr;gajfaa'a;a;;a;a;;;a;a;;a;;    sorry, that was my cat'"
[00:52]	MinceR	:D
[00:53]	matey	my question is, if he keeps doing that, would the cat be held in contempt?
[00:53]	MinceR	would the cat care?
[00:53]	MinceR	also, it's video chat so they probably don't type into the chat at all
[00:53]	matey	would he have to spend weeks in a kennel, or would they just give him a little bracelet and put him on house arrest?
[00:53]	MinceR	lol
[00:54]	matey	 so they probably don't type into the chat at all <- one time there were two cats doing SOMETHING (they knew what they were doing) outside my window
[00:54]	matey	it was loud as... i mean, it was (literally) loud as fuck
[00:54]	MinceR	:>
[00:55]	matey	they dont need keyboard access to be disruptive
[00:55]	matey	also cats are louder than (most) people when they do that
[00:55]	matey	its not like the window was open either. single pane though
[00:58]	matey	/me screen showing face of man via camera
[00:58]	matey	"all rise"
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[00:59]	matey	/me screen showing closeup of button shirt on man via camera
[00:59]	MinceR	just angle the camera down
[00:59]	matey	if its just for a parking ticket, sure
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[01:00]	matey	or a speeding ticket
[01:00]	matey	angle the camera down <- oh to simulate standing, lol
[01:01]	MinceR	yes
[01:01]	matey	i think youre exempt if youre in a wheelchir too
[01:01]	matey	"all rise... more or less"
[01:02]	matey	itd be great if he looked over at the guy in a wheelchair and he shrugged at the judge
[01:04]	matey	and then theres the guy who wont get up because hes got a cat sleeping in his lap, and the cat isnt declawed
[01:05]	matey	so whatever they decide to do about that, it still beats getting up
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[01:21]	barto	hi everyone
[01:21]	bnchs	hey uplink import
[01:27]	matey	hi barto
[01:31]	bnchs	gn
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[05:12]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Friday, May 06, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[05:12]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[05:12]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[05:12]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[05:16]	TR News	Kids should not have such spying, preying devices https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/fire-7-kids-edition-tablet/
[05:16]	TR Bot	 Get a Fire 7 Kids Pro Tablet for Under $50 - Make Tech Easier
[05:17]	TR News	Cathode Ray Tubes: Unusual Ways They Were Used Beyond TV Sets https://tedium.co/2022/05/06/cathode-ray-tubes-obscure-uses/ Source: tedium
[05:17]	TR Bot	 Cathode Ray Tubes: Unusual Ways They Were Used Beyond TV Sets
[05:19]	TR News	Writing "Hello, world!" from scratch part I: making a new ISA gemini://bobignou.red/posts/Writing-Hello-world-from-scratch-part-I-making-a-new-ISA.gmi
[05:21]	TR News	"I have 10GB data on Google servers and I chose to export in tgz format (and unzip with the command 'tar xvf takeout-001.tgx')." gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2022-01-29-google-takeout.gmi
[05:23]	TR News	#HowTo Install GoLang (Go Programming Language) in Ubuntu [5 Steps] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164561
[05:23]	TR Bot	 How to Install GoLang (Go Programming Language) in Ubuntu [5 Steps] | Tux Machines
[05:29]	TR News	"The UPC and the EPC are sinking ships" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:29]	TR Bot	 Deepening social tensions and an 'extremely hostile' president at the EPO - Kluwer Patent Blog
[05:31]	TR News	"The members of the AC are egged on by the lobby power of the EPOs bulk users, multi-national corporations who demand ever larger piles of granted patents at ever reduced cost, with quality being of no interest to them whatsoever." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:32]	TR News	"likely explanation of events is that EPOs senior management, together with select members of the AC, have formed a self-serving clique that engages in mutual back-scratching in order to achieve the objective of sharing out (to the members of the clique) as much as possible of the profits of the Organisation." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo
[05:32]	TR Bot	 Deepening social tensions and an 'extremely hostile' president at the EPO - Kluwer Patent Blog
[05:32]	TR News	"The AC has degraded itself to a rubber stamping authority which nods off everything that is proposed by the head of office. One wonders why? I take bets that the present tenant of the 10th floor will get is contract extended at the next AC meeting." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:33]	TR News	"I do not think that the head of the EPO is in an impossible position. He has chosen his side, and what interests him is to make savings at any costs, even at the cost of ill-treating the EPC and EPOs staff." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:33]	TR News	"During the OP in G 1/21, the presidents representatives insisted heavily on the fact that the EPC can be revised by secondary legislation. What a strange way of insuring the rule of law! If the EBA and the AC had a minimum of spine, they would have opposed all those projects and changes." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:34]	TR News	"This is the core of the problem and without a deep thinking about the future of the EPO and its role in Europe, the future looks bleak. In this respect a conference pursuant Art 4a is badly needed." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:34]	TR News	"The apparent aim of the actual tenant of the 10th floor is to churn out as many patents as possible as it brings renewal fees, push the BA into an intensive production (re-appointment) and let eventually the UPC decide on the fate of the patents." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:35]	TR News	"At the UPC this is fundamentally different... In this respect, I can agree with you that he clearly helps bulk users, i.e. multi-national corporations who demand ever larger piles of granted patents at ever reduced cost, with quality being of no interest to them whatsoever." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:36]	TR News	"Just as the EPO President wags the Council, the Council delegates will wag their ministers. EPO staff as always will be excluded from the discourse (with the exception of a chosen few in the upper circle of cronies)." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:36]	TR News	"One problem of the EPO is that we have too many chiefs. Every new president brings an entourage which stays even after the president has already left. Did someone mention the late PD Human Resources? All these chiefs have no purpose. However, to justify their existence, they create projects and projects of questionable value."
[05:37]	TR News	"Why should the EPO wish to adopt a Trump-like attitude of never admitting to failures or weaknesses, even when those are plain for all to see? Does this mean that the EPOs senior echelons are staffed with thin-skinned narcissists who are incapable of receiving even constructive criticism?" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:37]	TR News	"Perhaps a more pertinent question is whether the EPOs senior management really believe that their propaganda fools anyone, and whether they have any idea of quite how many of us feel insulted by it." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:38]	TR News	"I have to agree with Experienced Examiner that the EPO is more and more resembling a Mexican army with lots of generals with doubtful attributions, other than being a presidents crony. The standard joke when a new director/principal director is appointed: does he come from the Iberian peninsula and/or does he have some connection with the tenant of the 10th floor?"
[05:38]	TR News	"What all those people are good at, is to publish very verbose documents full of buzzing management jargon, alas without any tangible content. The AC seems very receptive for all those Potemkins villages. Those people decide how the job should be carried out, but have not the faintest idea of what it entails."
[05:39]	TR News	"Have you ever heard a peep from epi when the boards were moved to Haar in order to increase the perception of their independence? Or now, when the boards are meant to be repatriated to Munich? Those two moves have cost and will cost the users of the EPO millions in . All clients of epi members!"
[05:40]	TR News	"BusinessEurope is the association of large corporations writing the new examination rules, who controls SACEPO, where corporate members are appointed by Campinos. Where are SMEs in all this?" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/05/03/deepening-social-tensions-and-an-extremely-hostile-president-at-the-epo/#comments
[05:41]	TR News	"It is not for epi to decide who is on the list of qualified representatives, but for the Legal Division. It is thus not possible to render epi responsible for the presence of a former VP on the list. If the Legal Division has admitted this former VP as qualified representative, for whatever reason, the epi has to accept him."
[05:41]	TR News	"In the end, it is immaterial who writes to the AC. The AC will simply ignore it, secure in the comfort of its bubble of immunity/impunity. Indeed it is very true that where there is a will, there is a way. However, in the case of the EPO, it is doubtful as to where there is any will "
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[05:59]	TR News	Conde Nast (of Reddit etc.): we not only employ pedophiles who shill for Microsoft (and get arrested for raping kids), for a whole decade. We also do white-washing for billionaires who are Jeffrey Epstein enablers. I suppose Reddit and Ars have no qualms about promoting paedophiles while censoring those who speak on the subject.
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[07:36]	TR News	Based on Statcounter, Edge market share fell every month this year. Microsoft Edge, Jan to May: 4.12, 4.06, 4.05, 4.05, and 4.04%
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[07:54]	TR News	"The saga of the IPv6 transition continues to surprise us all." https://blog.apnic.net/2022/05/04/the-transition-to-ipv6-are-we-there-yet/ | Source: APNIC
[07:54]	TR Bot	 The transition to IPv6: Are we there yet? | APNIC Blog
[07:54]	TR News	"Key exchange is a mechanism where two parties (Alice and Bob) can agree on the same number" https://x25519.ulfheim.net/ | Source: X25519 Key Exchange
[07:54]	TR Bot	 Hands-on: X25519 Key Exchange
[07:54]	TR News	"One of the most exciting aspects of this system are the satellites surrounding Earth." https://ciechanow.ski/gps/ | Source: Bartosz Ciechanowski
[07:54]	TR Bot	 GPS Bartosz Ciechanowski
[07:54]	TR News	"This is all wonderful but as already hinted in the introduction getting Shazam to work on Linux is more of a workaround." https://www.techzim.co.zw/2021/08/mousai-is-an-awesome-music-identification-app-for-linux/ | Source: Zimbabwe
[07:54]	TR Bot	 Mousai is an awesome music identification app for Linux - Techzim
[07:55]	TR News	"cookie consent window" https://uxdesign.cc/unethical-design-of-cookie-consent-windows-857ef68f1bd6?gi=71579739af58 | Source: UXCollective
[07:55]	TR Bot	 It's time we fix the unethical design of cookie consentwindows | Nicat Manafov | Medium | UX Collective
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[07:57]	TR News	"I've got into a situation with PG I've never been into before." https://solovyov.net/blog/2022/postgresql-collation/ | Source: Alexander Solovyov
[07:57]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL collation
[07:58]	TR News	"There are only a few apps I use every day and shell ZSH is one of the most used." https://solovyov.net/blog/2020/useful-shell-prompt/ | Source: Alexander Solovyov
[07:58]	TR Bot	 Useful shell prompt
[07:58]	TR News	"Ahmadreza Djalali was arrested and charged with espionage during an invited visit to the University of Tehran in 2016." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/iran-threatens-academics-execution-thwart-war-crimes-trial | Source: Times Higher Education
[07:58]	TR Bot	 Iran threatens Ahmadreza Djalali execution | Times Higher Education (THE)
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[07:59]	TR News	I deleted Windows! And switched to Fedora gemini://akselmo.dev/posts/blog-2022-05-06-I-deleted-Windows-and-switched-to-Fedora.gmi
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[08:06]	TR News	This week in KDE: New features and many bugfixes for Plasma 5.25 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164562
[08:06]	TR Bot	 This week in KDE: New features and many bugfixes for Plasma 5.25 | Tux Machines
[08:06]	TR News	7 Best Free and Open Source Python Object-Relational Mapping Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164563
[08:06]	TR Bot	 7 Best Free and Open Source Python Object-Relational Mapping Software | Tux Machines
[08:07]	TR News	Fedora Linux to Keep Legacy BIOS Support, For Now Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164564
[08:07]	TR Bot	 Fedora Linux to Keep Legacy BIOS Support, For Now | Tux Machines
[08:15]	TR News	Well, Pro Publica taking BRIBES from Bill Gates is a threat to democracy. Why take money from criminals? https://www.propublica.org/getinvolved/help-propublica-investigate-threats-to-u-s-democracy | Source: Pro Publica
[08:15]	TR Bot	 Help ProPublica Investigate Threats to U.S. Democracy ProPublica
[08:16]	TR News	Ewww... Rust https://blog.torproject.org/arti_030_released/ | Source: Tor
[08:16]	TR Bot	 Arti 0.3.0 is released: Robustness and API improvements | The Tor Project
[08:17]	TR News	Ukraine https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/toward-a-peoples-ukraine-wars-tribunal/ | Source: Counter Punch
[08:17]	TR Bot	a Peoples Ukraine Wars Tribunal - CounterPunch.org
[08:17]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164565
[08:17]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[08:17]	TR News	Builder GTK 4 Porting, Part III Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164566
[08:17]	TR Bot	 Builder GTK 4 Porting, Part III | Tux Machines
[08:23]	TR News	Radxa offers affordable Rock Pi 4 C+ equipped with Rockchip RK3399-T processor Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164567
[08:23]	TR Bot	 Radxa offers affordable Rock Pi 4 C+ equipped with Rockchip RK3399-T processor | Tux Machines
[08:26]	ciphrCat	I found the site where the guy handles data breaches (databreaches dot net). But the site is CFd so I wont use them.
[08:26]	TR News	Fascism https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/242277/ | Source: Counter Punch
[08:26]	TR Bot	is Intentional - CounterPunch.org
[08:26]	schestowitz	yes, AdmFubar uses that site a lot, ciphrCat
[08:27]	TR News	"Tired of Being Worked to Death" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/tired-of-being-worked-to-death-labor-strikes-back/ | Source: Counter Punch
[08:27]	TR Bot	of Being Worked to Death, Labor Strikes Back - CounterPunch.org
[08:29]	TR News	The Economist (run by Rothschild) and Indian media now do reputation laundering from a serial criminal, Bill Gates. They should be blasted for this. WHAT ARE THEY DEFENDING???
[08:30]	TR News	Bill Gates-bribed media missing OpenDocument Format :( https://www.pcworld.com/article/698762/eve-onlines-spreadsheets-in-space-sim-adds-excel-partnership.html https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/6/23059064/eve-online-fanfest-microsoft-excel
[08:30]	TR Bot	Online's 'spreadsheets in space' are getting official Excel love | PCWorld
[08:30]	TR Bot	 Sci-fi virtual world EVE Online is getting Microsoft Excel support - The Verge
[08:31]	TR News	2-factor surveillance https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/05/05/1346259
[08:31]	TR Bot	 GitHub to Require Two Factor Authentication for Code Contributors by Late 2023 - SoylentNews
[08:31]	TR News	The Facebook Papers: the Algorithms That Control Your News Feed - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/05/05/1257227 Source: soylentnews
[08:31]	TR Bot	 The Facebook Papers: the Algorithms That Control Your News Feed - SoylentNews
[08:32]	TR News	Attackers Use Event Logs to Hide Fileless Malware - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/05/05/042214 Source: soylentnews
[08:32]	TR Bot	 Attackers Use Event Logs to Hide Fileless Malware - SoylentNews
[08:32]	TR News	Amazon or SweatshopZone? https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/amazon-fires-managers-recently-unionized-warehouse | Source: Common Dreams
[08:32]	TR Bot	 Amazon Fires Managers at Recently Unionized Warehouse
[08:32]	TR News	The real Amazon https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/green-groups-blame-bolsonaro-policies-amazon-deforestation-sets-new-monthly-record | Source: Common Dreams
[08:32]	TR Bot	 Green Groups Blame Bolsonaro Policies as Amazon Deforestation Sets New Monthly Record
[08:33]	TR News	"Campaigners within and beyond the Philippines on Friday applauded a new government report that backs accountability for major polluters" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/landmark-inquiry-philippines-backs-accountability-climate-polluting-corporations | Source: Common Dreams
[08:33]	TR Bot	 Landmark Inquiry in Philippines Backs Accountability for 'Climate-Polluting' Corporations
[08:34]	TR News	My boycott of BBC is no longer partial but complete. First they covered up for Savile and they're doing it all over again with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates... while PROFITING from it.
[08:36]	TR News	We saw him at the track a few days ago. He mingles with everyone. What a humble, smart man. https://www.mancity.com/news/mens/newcastle-matchday-live-preview-nedum-onuoha-63787443
[08:36]	TR Bot	 Onuoha: Premier League title still in our hands
[08:39]	TR News	Mariana Ziku https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/06/episode-28-open-culture-voices-mariana-ziku/ | Source: Creative Commons
[08:39]	TR Bot	 Episode 28: Open Culture VOICES Mariana Ziku - Creative Commons
[08:39]	TR News	Simon Tanner https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/06/episode-27-open-culture-voices-simon-tanner/ | Source: Creative Commons
[08:39]	TR Bot	 Episode 27: Open Culture VOICES Simon Tanner - Creative Commons
[08:40]	TR News	"The U.S. Copyright Office has launched a public consultation to evaluate whether it's wise to make certain technical protection measures mandatory under the DMCA." https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-copyright-office-seeks-input-on-mandatory-dmca-upload-filters-220506/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[08:40]	TR Bot	Copyright Office Seeks Input on Mandatory DMCA "Upload Filters" * TorrentFreak
[08:40]	TR News	"Major entertainment industry groups representing film studios, record labels, videogame developers and publishers have signed a deal with internet service providers in Sweden" https://torrentfreak.com/movie-music-gaming-publishing-groups-join-isps-in-deal-to-block-piracy-220506/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[08:40]	TR Bot	Music, Gaming & Publishing Groups Join ISPs in Deal to Block Piracy * TorrentFreak
[08:40]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164568
[08:40]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[08:55]	TR News	Arti 0.3.0 is released: Robustness and API improvements Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164569
[08:55]	TR Bot	 Arti 0.3.0 is released: Robustness and API improvements | Tux Machines
[08:56]	ciphrCat	i need an mbox to LaTeX converter, because sometimes I have to distribute an email history in a readible pretty-printed format.  And it looks like I have to create it.
[08:57]	matey	cool idea though
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[09:29]	TR News	"Politics, Then Country" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/supreme-court-politics-then-country/ | Source: Counter Punch
[09:29]	TR Bot	Court: Politics, Then Country - CounterPunch.org
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[09:52]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D224.jpg
[09:54]	TR News	"I think I link being miserable, bitter and cynical to being a good person, which is not healthy" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
[09:54]	TR News	"upper-middle-class work is insane. you have finance (get paid to play the slots and steal from people), consulting (get paid to take the blame for other people's problems) and big tech (manifest the absolute worst ideas anyone has come up with)." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
[09:56]	TR News	"On Tuesday I lost all hearing in my left ear over the course of three hours. I had that otherwise common, ephemeral tinnitus that one sometimes experiences for 3-4 seconds. I had an unusual number of bouts, and they started lasting progressively longer. Then hearing just never returned." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/928
[09:59]	TR News	"For a while, the Transjovian Council hosted a copy of the Gemini Mailing List Archive. This is no longer the case, unfortunately." gemini://transjovian.org/page/2022-01-01%20Gemini%20Mailing%20List%20Archive
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[10:01]	TR News	"Prosecutors have an obligation to turn over evidence exculpatory or otherwise to criminal defendants." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/court-dismisses-case-after-prosecutors-make-it-impossible-for-defendants-to-access-evidence/ | Source: Techdirt
[10:01]	TR Bot	Dismisses Case After Prosecutors Make It Impossible For Defendants To Access Evidence | Techdirt
[10:01]	TR News	"gaming" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/the-stick-to-sports-crowd-is-now-coming-after-gaming-companies/ | Source: Techdirt
[10:01]	TR Bot	Stick To Sports Crowd Is Now Coming After Gaming Companies | Techdirt
[10:06]	TR News	Disney https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/disney-is-still-trying-to-avoid-paying-its-writers/ | Source: Techdirt
[10:06]	TR Bot	Is Still Trying To Avoid Paying Its Writers | Techdirt
[10:06]	TR News	Rotting economy, with declining salaries and massive inflation https://truthout.org/articles/labor-force-participation-continues-toward-pre-pandemic-levels/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:07]	TR Bot	 Labor Force Participation Continues Toward Pre-Pandemic Levels
[10:07]	TR News	Alliance of the corrupt https://truthout.org/articles/trump-encouraged-elon-musk-to-buy-twitter-truth-social-ceo-devin-nunes-says/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:07]	TR Bot	 Trump Encouraged Elon Musk to Buy Twitter, Truth Social CEO Devin Nunes Says
[10:08]	TR News	Unions https://truthout.org/articles/the-house-will-vote-next-week-on-allowing-its-staffers-to-unionize/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:08]	TR Bot	 The House Will Vote Next Week on Allowing Its Staffers to Unionize
[10:09]	TR News	Book Banning on the Rise in the US https://www.projectcensored.org/book-banning-on-the-rise-in-the-us/ | Source: Project Censored
[10:09]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/book-banning-on-the-rise-in-the-us/ )
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[11:28]	TR News	"telecom and media giants are engaged in a last ditch attempt over the next few weeks to derail Bidens nomination" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/fraternal-order-of-police-helps-boost-telecom-smear-campaign-against-fcc-nominee-gigi-sohn/ | Source: Techdirt
[11:28]	TR Bot	Order Of Police Helps Boost Telecom Smear Campaign Against FCC Nominee Gigi Sohn | Techdirt
[11:29]	TR News	"The justice system loves a stacked deck. Well, certainly the prosecutorial side loves it. Courts are, at best, ambivalent." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/05/judge-clemency-board-with-three-cops-on-it-doesnt-violate-rule-against-more-than-two-people-from-same-profession/ | Source: Techdirt
[11:29]	TR Bot	Clemency Board With Three Cops On It Doesnt Violate Rule Against More Than Two People From Same Profession | Techdirt
[11:33]	TR News	"The party has so far made a net gain of 75, gaining seats from Labour and Conservatives in areas as far ranging as Burnley, Hastings, Hackne" https://www.greenparty.org.uk/ | Source: Green Party UK
[11:33]	TR Bot	 Green Party | Fighting for Climate Action. If not now, when?
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[12:55]	TR News	FCC https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/dems-accused-caving-rabid-telecom-industry-smear-campaign-against-fcc-nominee | Source: Common Dreams
[12:55]	TR Bot	 Dems Accused of Caving to 'Rabid' Telecom Industry Smear Campaign Against FCC Nominee
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[13:06]	TR News	Patents continue to kill millions and Biden does nothing https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/05/06/biden-broke-his-promise-support-generic-covid-19-vaccines-world | Source: Common Dreams
[13:06]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Biden Broke His Promise to Support Generic Covid-19 Vaccines for the World | Sarah Lazare
[13:11]	TR News	"Fire season is upon us. Theres no off-season anymore. 24/7 takes on paradoxically darker and brighterand ever hotterconnotations." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/242388/ | Source: Counter Punch
[13:11]	TR Bot	on Fire - CounterPunch.org
[13:17]	TR News	"The corporation must give it back by sharing the tech with others and make this vaccine available to everyone, everywhere." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/while-hoarding-vaccine-recipe-moderna-got-another-300-million-us-taxpayers | Source: Common Dreams
[13:17]	TR Bot	 While Hoarding Vaccine Recipe, Moderna Got Another $300 Million From US Taxpayers
[13:17]	TR News	"On May 10, Daniels support team is hosting an online meeting for supporters to write letters together to Hale in prison" https://couragefound.org/2022/05/daniel-hale-is-courages-newest-beneficiary/ | Source: Courage Found
[13:17]	TR Bot	 Daniel Hale is Courages newest beneficiary | Courage Foundation
[13:18]	TR News	Daniel Hale https://couragefound.org/2022/05/one-year-in-a-cage-letter-writing-night-for-daniel-hale-may-10/ | Source: Courage Found
[13:18]	TR Bot	 One Year in a Cage: Letter Writing Night for Daniel Hale, May 10 | Courage Foundation
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[13:57]	TR News	Illinois https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/illinois-cops-are-hitting-students-with-hefty-fines-for-breaking-school-rules/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:57]	TR Bot	Cops Are Hitting Students With Hefty Fines For Breaking School Rules | Techdirt
[13:58]	TR News	Twitter https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/06/missouri-and-louisiana-sue-biden-administration-because-twitter-blocked-hunter-biden-link-before-biden-was-president/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:58]	TR Bot	And Louisiana Sue Biden Administration Because Twitter Blocked Hunter Biden Link Before Biden Was President | Techdirt
[13:58]	TR News	Starbucks https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/cry-more-starbucks-mocked-complaining-about-workers-white-house-visit | Source: Common Dreams
[13:58]	TR Bot	 'Cry More': Starbucks Mocked for Complaining About Workers' White House Visit
[13:59]	TR News	Surveillance https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/the-border-industrial-complex-in-the-biden-era-robotic-dogs-and-autonomous-surveillance-towers-are-the-new-wall/ | Source: Counter Punch
[13:59]	TR Bot	Border-Industrial Complex in the Biden Era: Robotic Dogs and Autonomous Surveillance Towers Are the New Wall - CounterPunch.org
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[14:02]	TR News	Elliot Williams et al https://hackaday.com/2022/05/06/hackaday-podcast-167-deadly-art-projects-robot-lock-pickers-led-horticulture-and-good-samaritan-repairs/ | Source: Hackaday
[14:02]	TR Bot	Podcast 167: Deadly Art Projects, Robot Lock Pickers, LED Horticulture, And Good Samaritan Repairs | Hackaday
[14:06]	TR News	Sites like propublica, which take bribes from Bill Gates, have two reasons not to cover his crimes but to cover them up. 1) they might put at risk future money from the criminal. 2) by writing on the issue people might be led to point out the bribes, taking the scandal public So the bribes are hush money or PR money (BillPR/NPR and BillBC).
[14:08]	TR News	Patents kill https://truthout.org/articles/moderna-got-another-300-million-from-us-taxpayers-while-hoarding-vaccine-recipe/ | Source: TruthOut
[14:08]	TR Bot	 Moderna Got Another $300 Million From US Taxpayers While Hoarding Vaccine Recipe
[14:09]	TR News	EFF pandering to partisan issues https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/safegraphs-disingenuous-claims-about-location-data-mask-dangerous-industry | Source: EFF
[14:09]	TR Bot	 SafeGraphs Disingenuous Claims About Location Data Mask a Dangerous Industry | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[14:11]	TR News	"Watching television today is a very different experience from that which our parents would have had at our age" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/06/retrotechtacular-how-television-worked-in-the-1950s/ | Source: Hackaday
[14:11]	TR Bot	How Television Worked In The 1950s | Hackaday
[14:12]	TR News	"On paper, chording thats pressing multiple keys to create either a single character or a whole word" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/06/pico-chording-keyboard-is-simultaneously-vintage-and-new/ | Source: Hackaday
[14:12]	TR Bot	Chording Keyboard Is Simultaneously Vintage And New | Hackaday
[14:12]	TR News	ElectriPop https://hackaday.com/2022/05/06/electripop-turns-cut-mylar-into-custom-3d-structures/ | Source: Hackaday
[14:12]	TR Bot	Turns Cut Mylar Into Custom 3D Structures | Hackaday
[14:13]	TR News	Patent monopolies https://truthout.org/video/vaccine-inequity-prolongs-pandemic-as-worldwide-death-toll-tops-15-million/ | Source: TruthOut
[14:13]	TR Bot	 Vaccine Inequity Prolongs Pandemic as Worldwide Death Toll Tops 15 Million
[14:13]	TR News	"Parental Rights" https://truthout.org/articles/far-right-parental-rights-groups-want-to-eliminate-the-department-of-education/ | Source: TruthOut
[14:13]	TR Bot	 "Parental Rights" Groups Want to Eliminate the Department of Education
[14:14]	TR News	MinceR is governmed by 'Zucks'... "Hungarian embassy in Kyiv took toFacebook" https://insighthungary.444.hu/2022/05/06/secretary-of-national-security-and-defense-council-of-ukraine-hungary-was-warned-about-putins-plans-to-attack-ukraine | Source: Hungary
[14:14]	TR Bot	 Secretary of National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine: Hungary was warned about Putin's plans to attack Ukraine - InsightHungary
[14:16]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Friday, May 06, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/irc-log-060522/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/07/irc-log-060522/
[14:16]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Friday, May 06, 2022 | Techrights
[14:18]	TR News	"The bane of life for anyone who possesses a well-used pile of spanners is the humble nut and bolt." https://hackaday.com/2022/05/06/screwed-up-can-technology-be-a-substitute-for-regular-maintenance/ | Source: Hackaday
[14:18]	TR Bot	Up: Can Technology Be A Substitute For Regular Maintenance | Hackaday
[14:22]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO https://threatpost.com/attackers-use-event-logs-to-hide-fileless-malware/179484/ | Source: Threat Post
[14:22]	TR Bot	Use Event Logs to Hide Malware | Threatpost
[14:22]	TR News	"ransomware group believed to have strong ties within Russia said Wednesday" https://www.cyberscoop.com/lockbit-ransomware-attack-bulgarian-refugee-agency/ | Source: Scoop News Group
[14:22]	TR Bot	ransomware group claims attack on Bulgarian refugee agency - CyberScoop
[14:22]	TR News	My new project: Jeuxterm (online games in terminal) gemini://tilde.team/~aprilnightk/gemlog/2022/05/07-jeuxterm.gmi
[14:23]	TR News	Biblical gemini? gemini://idiomdrottning.org/homeless-god
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[14:51]	bnchs	yay fortnite is now on xbox cloud...
[14:51]	bnchs	tim sweeney totally not biased towards microsoft
[14:53]	MinceR	lol
[14:54]	bnchs	https://yewtu.be/llvh33y_-vQ?t=77
[14:54]	TR Bot	 Nvidia LIED. - Invidious
[14:56]	bnchs	also next to the fortnite shit is passwordless login
[14:56]	bnchs	involving applel, gulag, and microsoft
[14:57]	bnchs	"would push a request to your phone"
[14:58]	bnchs	holy fucking shit that is SO GOOD!!!
[14:58]	bnchs	it would not impact people who don't have phones, right?
[14:58]	bnchs	nor would like to use the non-free clients
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[15:08]	matey	nor would like to use the non-free clients <- fortnite is free software?
[15:14]	MinceR	https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/29/bofh_2022_episode_8/
[15:14]	TR Bot	 BOFH: What's that sucking up our UPS capacity? The Register
[15:14]	bnchs	matey: that was about passwordless login
[15:15]	bnchs	fortnite is non-free
[15:15]	bnchs	so is it's engine
[15:15]	bnchs	(which has a EULA, which forbids specific licenses such as GPL)
[15:24]	matey	its a fucking shame (and a farce) when people use the gpl as a eula
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[15:25]	matey	the terms of the gpl contradict such usage-- theyre about conveying, not use
[15:25]	MinceR	how does that even work? GPL is explicitly not for end-users only
[15:25]	matey	it doesnt, its a complete contradiction
[15:25]	matey	you dont have to agree to the gpl to use the software
[15:26]	bnchs	matey: true
[15:26]	matey	compliance and non-compliance are triggered exclusively by distribution
[15:26]	bnchs	you have to comply with the GPL only if you're distributing the program
[15:26]	bnchs	not using it
[15:27]	MinceR	07 162548 < matey> you dont have to agree to the gpl to use the software
[15:27]	matey	asking someone to click agree to the gpl is like asking a pedestrian to turn off their foglights
[15:27]	MinceR	you do need to accept the license terms to use the software
[15:27]	MinceR	otherwise you have no license to use it
[15:27]	bnchs	"This means, for example, that you may not combine the Licensed Technology with code or content that is licensed under any of the following licenses: GNU General Public License (GPL), Lesser GPL (LGPL) (unless you are merely dynamically linking a shared library), or Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License."
[15:27]	MinceR	and so copyright law forbids you from dealing in it
[15:27]	bnchs	"You may not, and may not permit others to, combine, Distribute, or otherwise use the Licensed Technology with any code or other content which is covered by a license that would directly or indirectly require that all or part of the Licensed Technology be governed under any terms other than those of this Agreement (those licenses, the Non-Compatible Licenses). "
[15:27]	bnchs	- unreal engine EULA
[15:28]	bnchs	remember that CC BY-SA is in the list aswell
[15:28]	MinceR	unreal engine has a business model that doesn't work with free software
[15:28]	matey	 you do need to accept the license terms to use the software <- there are no usage requirements within the gpl to accept.
[15:28]	bnchs	MinceR, true
[15:29]	MinceR	there are plenty of free engines one may use instead
[15:29]	bnchs	you have accept their EULA to get access to the source code
[15:29]	bnchs	and their EULA specifically forbids using code or content that's licensed under GPL or LGPL or CC BY SA
[15:29]	matey	thats probably not enforceable
[15:30]	matey	lets say that i write gpl code or content that works with fortnite
[15:30]	matey	fortnite has no way of knowing the license terms of what im using
[15:31]	matey	lets say im distributing code or content that works with fortnight
[15:31]	matey	the eula has no jurisdiction over that, it only applies when im using the program
[15:31]	bnchs	<matey> lets say that i write gpl code or content that works with fortnite
[15:31]	bnchs	you can't combine that with the engine itself
[15:32]	matey	i mean you might as well have a eula that forbids you from buying a mac.
[15:32]	bnchs	this only applies to the engine IIRC
[15:32]	bnchs	not the game
[15:32]	matey	how do you enforce that?
[15:32]	bnchs	well i don't think they can
[15:32]	matey	so its moot
[15:33]	matey	terms that cant be enforced dont exist
[15:33]	matey	now i dont doubt there are exceptions where some part of something can be enforced maybe
[15:33]	matey	on the whole id say its moot, with possible minor exceptions
[15:33]	matey	its one of those things some legal person thought was clever to put in there
[15:33]	matey	theres no law saying you cant put fud in a eula
[15:34]	matey	i think it mostly serves as propaganda
[15:34]	matey	the wtfpl is also propaganda
[15:34]	matey	its gpl compatible and at least a free software license, but i still tell people to avoid it because it contains fud and bullshit
[15:34]	matey	i mean id never recommend using it
[15:35]	bnchs	lol
[15:35]	bnchs	they only made this EULA to add their shitty royality clause
[15:35]	bnchs	royalty*
[15:35]	matey	there you go
[15:35]	bnchs	"You agree to pay Epic a royalty equal to 5% of all Royalty Revenue (as defined in the next section), regardless of whether that revenue is received by you or any other person or entity."
[15:36]	matey	i wonder how enforceable that is
[15:36]	matey	epic should rename themselves to epic arseholes
[15:36]	matey	but thats sort of already known
[15:36]	bnchs	they probably added the "non-compatible licenses" clause because the licenses would strip the royalty clause they added
[15:36]	bnchs	for their greed
[15:37]	matey	this is the first time i was aware that epic made fortnite, which probably says a lot about how much i track non-free software
[15:37]	matey	and games in general 
[15:37]	matey	on the games front, im at least paying an increasing amount of attention to stuff that isnt github-based
[15:38]	matey	which isnt much obviously
[15:38]	bnchs	i see everything shilling unreal engine
[15:38]	matey	i keep track (within weeks typically) of things added to the free software directory
[15:38]	bnchs	and contributors actually thinking they're helping something by contributing to the source-available code
[15:38]	matey	every month or two, they add half a dozen things that arent github-based
[15:38]	matey	you read that correctly
[15:39]	bnchs	rather than thinking they're helping epic maintain their iron fist on gamedevs
[15:39]	matey	its probably easier to build a free cpu than it is to get gamers to give a shit about free software
[15:40]	matey	i mean the latter does happen. and the former likely will happen
[15:40]	matey	but the former probably wont take another 40 years, and the latter probably will
[15:41]	matey	im aware of small groups of gamers (and obviously developers) that give a shit about free software
[15:41]	matey	i mean there are a few here
[15:41]	matey	im aware of others
[15:42]	bnchs	modern gaming is bullshit nowadays
[15:42]	matey	one thing thats difficult is that games really are a form of art and cultural expression (i mean some are at least)
[15:42]	matey	and the fsf is stupid about that issue.
[15:42]	matey	really incredibly stupid.
[15:42]	bnchs	how much microtransactions, DLCs and other greedy shit a gamer can tolerate before they crack
[15:42]	matey	all software should be free <- we dont care about art though
[15:43]	matey	i dont mean assets. they think its about assets.
[15:43]	matey	its not, its about the whole thing
[15:43]	bnchs	matey: but they are reverse engineered game engines
[15:43]	matey	if the assets in fortnite were under a free license, and the game was not, you couldnt simply "make fortnite" from them
[15:43]	matey	but they are reverse engineered game engines <- ive used one
[15:43]	bnchs	that are built to run games with non-free assets on it
[15:43]	bnchs	like xash3D for goldsrc games
[15:44]	matey	but the thing is
[15:44]	matey	the fsf is stupid about non-software works. in a way that costs them a whole category of software
[15:44]	bnchs	the fsf should care about software
[15:44]	bnchs	not assets
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[15:44]	matey	stallman thinks that because you can say it in the form of a sentence, that you can tell people non-software doesnt need to be free but assets do
[15:45]	bnchs	yes, free assets should be apart of a free software
[15:45]	matey	<bnchs> not assets <- youre wrong. they already care about assets.
[15:45]	matey	but by not caring about free culture, they basically push aside the entire army that might liberate games
[15:45]	matey	so you have the idea of "lets have free assets" but you dont have any people who can make that happen (relatively speaking)
[15:46]	matey	and what happened as a result is that open source gained an opportunity
[15:46]	matey	to bring in everyone that cared about free culture, which they did
[15:46]	matey	its like if america needed to go to war, and told canada to go fuck themselves, so canada decided to help china instead
[15:47]	bnchs	that's true
[15:47]	matey	unfortunately the only people working to fix this at the fsf are the lying open source brigade
[15:47]	matey	so right move, wrong reasons, self-defeating methodology
[15:48]	bnchs	how would you change that
[15:48]	matey	yes, free software needs free culture. but free culture is a vangard of free expression, and the only people who care about free culture at the fsf are those working to destroy free expression
[15:48]	matey	 <bnchs> how would you change that <- you need people who actually demand freedom to care about free culture
[15:49]	matey	it will happen eventually :/
[15:49]	matey	but every year it doesnt happen is a year that free software is operating at half-strength at best
[15:49]	MinceR	https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/2144.html
[15:49]	TR Bot	 Darths & Droids
[15:49]	matey	and having a bunch of backstabbers demand free culture isnt transformative (at least not in a positive way)
[15:50]	matey	if nothing reasonable and honest can be built at the fsf, then everything has to be built around, near, or next to it
[15:50]	bnchs	i'm looking at a few things
[15:51]	bnchs	https://github.com/ninjamuffin99/Funkin
[15:51]	TR Bot	- ninjamuffin99/Funkin: A rhythm game made with HaxeFlixel
[15:51]	bnchs	this guy is literally pathetic
[15:51]	bnchs	>licensed under apache 2.0
[15:51]	bnchs	>IF YOU MAKE A MOD AND DISTRIBUTE A MODIFIED / RECOMPILED VERSION, YOU MUST OPEN SOURCE YOUR MOD AS WELL
[15:51]	matey	doy
[15:52]	bnchs	he avoids using GPL,  thinking that his game will get official console releases
[15:52]	bnchs	as much chances as a divorced man thinking his ex-wife will come back to him
[15:53]	matey	i actually got back with my divorced wife briefly
[15:53]	matey	but of course it was the same problem the second time
[15:54]	bnchs	i remember he replaced the apache 2.0 license with "if u make mods, open source them, lol!"
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[15:54]	bnchs	which briefly made his game non-free until he reverted it back to apache 2.0
[15:55]	matey	my guess is he wasnt able to revoke the license on anything except new changes
[15:55]	matey	so the non-free part was insubstantial
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[15:55]	matey	of course if he had kept going that way, it might not be
[15:56]	bnchs	he changed the license even with the game still having 3rd party contributions licensed under apache 2.0
[15:56]	MinceR	lol @ official console releases
[15:56]	matey	either way hes treating freedom as some kind of gimmick, which is sort of what open source does
[15:56]	bnchs	he would have gotten sued
[15:56]	bnchs	MinceR, lol "NinjaMuffin wants to use GPL, but he was advised by someone he clearly trusted that using any GPL license is a death wish, when it comes to the planned Nintendo port. He's seeking alternatives, so he stumbled here until then. Hopefully shit gets cleared soon, because licensing is hell to deal with."
[15:56]	matey	he would have gotten sued <- how?
[15:56]	MinceR	consoles have been a waste of resources since 1993, if not earlier
[15:57]	bnchs	matey: having legally incompatible code?
[15:57]	bnchs	maybe not sued
[15:57]	bnchs	but complained
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[15:57]	matey	what i dont understand is how "still having 3rd party contributions licensed under apache 2.0" is incompatible with what he did
[15:58]	matey	i mean you can mix apache 2.0 with non-free as far as i know
[15:58]	matey	thats sort of the point
[15:58]	bnchs	hmm
[15:58]	matey	but he would have to distribute the contributions under the correct terms
[15:59]	matey	the contributions themselves dont become non-free
[15:59]	matey	theyre used in a non-free project
[15:59]	bnchs	but if he reverted it to apache 2.0
[15:59]	matey	but i believe you can do that. as long as you do it within the rules
[15:59]	bnchs	then he has to relicense all of the previous contributions to apache 2.0
● May 07
[16:00]	matey	was this a typo then? "still having 3rd party contributions licensed under apache 2.0"
[16:00]	matey	did you mean it the other way around?
[16:00]	matey	he changed back to 2.0 while still having contributions under non-free licenses?
[16:00]	matey	if you have a free or non-free project with apache 2 contributions...
[16:01]	matey	the contributions are always available under apache 2
[16:01]	bnchs	matey: yes
[16:01]	matey	sticking them in a non-free (or free) game doesnt change their status
[16:01]	bnchs	i actually meant the other way around
[16:01]	matey	but it is (i believe) allowed. you still have to do certain things
[16:01]	matey	i actually meant the other way around <- ahhh ok
[16:01]	matey	yes, now i understand the problem
[16:01]	bnchs	but anyway, it's obvious he treats freedom as a gimmick
[16:02]	matey	he cant relicense other contributions under a different license without asking the contributors
[16:02]	matey	i mean he cant liberate their code for them-- unless of course theres a cla
[16:02]	matey	but from what ive read about this guy, theres no way hes using a cla
[16:02]	bnchs	there was no cla
[16:02]	bnchs	he did this suddenly
[16:02]	matey	of course not
[16:02]	bnchs	out of nowhere
[16:03]	matey	it sounds like incompetence
[16:03]	matey	but we pretty much sussed that already
[16:03]	bnchs	he's willing to sacrifice freedom to have console ports of his game
[16:04]	matey	"no copyright infringement intended" :)
[16:04]	matey	magic words
[16:04]	matey	that do nothing
[16:05]	matey	maybe he needs to work on his ninja training
[16:05]	bnchs	his community is mainly a bunch of underaged kids on discord
[16:06]	bnchs	i've seen tutorials about how to compile his game on youtube
[16:06]	bnchs	most of them are just blindly running commands
[16:06]	matey	its impressive they know how to compile it
[16:06]	bnchs	and ignoring errors (such as the program not existing)
[16:06]	bnchs	making a broken build
[16:06]	matey	and ignoring errors (such as the program not existing) <- oh, lol
[16:06]	matey	i guess it WOULD BE impressive
[16:06]	matey	if they knew 
[16:07]	matey	ive compiled very little, in the traditional sense
[16:07]	bnchs	and they did it all in windows
[16:07]	matey	i worked on cutting qb64 in half and compiled that in gpp
[16:07]	bnchs	and windows' CMD
[16:07]	matey	i was trying to get it to compile to python instead of c++ :)
[16:08]	matey	of course the compiler itself was still written in c++
[16:08]	matey	ive compiled bash, python2 (cpython) and this little program that locks the screen
[16:08]	bnchs	i used to compile qbittorrent when i was a kid
[16:09]	matey	i changed the icon, which was implemented in some kind of array (hardcoded)
[16:09]	bnchs	when arch linux didn't have it
[16:09]	matey	but ive compiled little else
[16:09]	matey	i also wrote a compiler, but in python (and it translates code to python)
[16:09]	matey	still thats compiling
[16:10]	matey	although they often call it something else like transpiling
[16:10]	matey	but the reason i hate compiling is build systems
[16:10]	matey	and broken builds
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[16:10]	matey	and not knowing (to this day) enough about compiling to fix such things
[16:11]	matey	openbsd has helped a bit
[16:11]	matey	but only in the sense that i was able to compile something as complex as bash or cpython
[16:12]	matey	i mean i still have no idea how it works
[16:12]	bnchs	i had to modify a program a bit to get it working with modern OpenSSL
[16:12]	matey	theres not much point changing a program if you cant compile it afterward :)
[16:13]	matey	obviously if its in a scripting language you dont have to
[16:13]	matey	which is one reason scripting languages are so great
[16:13]	matey	make the change, and... thats it, youre done
[16:13]	matey	it comes with costs but the benefits are huge
[16:14]	matey	obviously it doesnt work to do absolutely everything that way
[16:15]	matey	and you have to compile the interpreters, or at least someone does
[16:18]	activelow	too scripts are compiled, it's JIT, while typically C is compiled AOT, just-in-time and ahead-of-time
[16:19]	activelow	this difference isn't the reason, most software sucks
[16:20]	bnchs	activelow, a program has to be compiled for a CPU to understand
[16:21]	bnchs	so basically anything written in assembly or C is compiled ahead of time
[16:21]	bnchs	i mean there will always be AOT compiled programs
[16:23]	activelow	with asm macros are expanded into opcodes i would say, slight difference to compilation, meaning an asm macro processor is different to a C compiler, result being the same, opcodes a CPU can load into memory and process
[16:23]	activelow	meanwhile, wrapped some more stuff into alpha ebuilds... such as dvtm and abduco, which are very nice goodies to have
[16:23]	MinceR	https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/2147.html
[16:23]	TR Bot	 Darths & Droids
[16:24]	activelow	haven't got a solution yet, to hook into a screen-locker (cmatrix&&vlock) into either dvtm or abduco, similar to what tmux supports with the lock-command
[16:24]	activelow	and, another one for today, sixel support with dvtm; and btw. i consider abduco+dvtm a preferrable choice, in comparison to gnu screen or tmux
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[16:26]	matey	of course
[16:27]	matey	one of the cool things about tinycc is you can use it to sort of turn c into a scripting language
[16:27]	matey	because its that fast
[16:27]	matey	but in terms of practical use, you can see how many people are using it that way... i mean
[16:28]	matey	one of the typical feature of a "scripting language" is taking care of the sort of mundane (but useful) tasks that c forces you to do yourself
[16:28]	matey	so the idea of c as a scripting language is amusing at least, and many practical for something
[16:28]	matey	but in general thats not likely to catch on
[16:28]	matey	s/many/maybe/
[16:29]		*activelow doesn't like scripting languages and any non-posix bashism
[16:30]	MinceR	there are posix bashisms?
[16:30]	matey	one of the reasons that python works as a scripting language is it already has so many pieces that are written in other, faster, more powerful languages
[16:30]	matey	/me really hates bash more all the time
[16:30]	MinceR	i don't think that many pieces are written for python in more powerful languages
[16:30]	matey	libraries...
[16:31]	MinceR	written in lisp or something?
[16:31]	matey	i meant like c or c++
[16:31]	matey	which i consider more powerful than python
[16:31]	activelow	MinceR: probably, bash got an environment parameter POSIXLY_CORRECT=1 ... wouldn't trust any script in compliance would be portable then to any other POSIX shell
[16:32]	MinceR	i don't consider either of them to be as powerful as python
[16:32]	MinceR	try implementing the same thing in them :>
[16:32]	activelow	bash+c+*nix utilities
[16:32]	MinceR	activelow: i think that's more Bourne shell than bash
[16:32]	matey	the point of saying this was to note that i dont believe you can simply do everything in a scripting language
[16:33]	MinceR	also, possibly the behavior of libc
[16:33]	matey	because even the most powerful scripting langauges have components which rely on the power of other languages
[16:33]	MinceR	i don't see how this "scripting language" category is helpful
[16:33]	MinceR	python offers a lot more software leverage than c++ does
[16:34]	matey	im a big fan of scripting, or interpreted language
[16:34]	matey	i learned basic originally, i used it for 25 years
[16:34]	matey	first as an intepreter, then compiled, then interpreted again
[16:34]	matey	i spent years looking for a suitable replacement, and when i found it, it was python
[16:35]	matey	basic was originally a compiler, on the dtss at least
[16:35]	MinceR	so, if you have a bit of common lisp or scheme code and you can both compile it into a binary and have the REPL interpret it, is it written in a scripting language or not?
[16:35]	matey	im not pushing "scripting language" as a term, its just what most people call easy to use interpreted language
[16:36]	matey	stallman worries about "programming" vs "coding" but i know people will always lean towards the latter simply because "close enough" and "fewer letters"
[16:37]	matey	len('scripting') < len('interpreted') and more or less the same thing, so...
[16:37]	MinceR	:>
[16:37]	MinceR	still, it's not a quality of the language, or even of the language implementation
[16:38]	matey	for the most part i agree
[16:38]	matey	and yet no one is going to create a driver or an os in python
[16:38]	matey	the closest thing there is would be the sugar platform
[16:38]	bnchs	python is used for embedded devices though
[16:38]	matey	and thats all on the surface obviously
[16:38]	matey	yeah listen, python is probably my favourite language, even now
[16:38]	matey	other than my own, which compiles to (and is implemented in) python
[16:39]	MinceR	you can write a FUSE filesystem driver in python
[16:39]	matey	thats fucking awesome.
[16:39]	MinceR	more drivers should be implemented in userspace
[16:39]	matey	fuse is supposed to be a linux thing (i thought it was) but sshfs is fuse and sshfs is available in bsd
[16:39]	bnchs	if the driver crashes, doesn't mean the entire kernel crashes with it
[16:39]	matey	and i think freebsd does fuse anyway
[16:40]	activelow	another idea is, a scripting language is used for prototyping, and then the python prototype source text is "transpiled"/translated into C
[16:40]	matey	my only gripe about python (other than github, which pypy sort of takes care of)
[16:40]	matey	is that python 3 isnt a language at all (just like rust) but a webapi posing as a language
[16:40]	MinceR	dunno about that, but i have gripes about python
[16:40]	matey	which pypy2 sort of takes care of
[16:41]	MinceR	too much MICROS~1 control, no built-in support for multiline lambdas
[16:41]	matey	so i target pypy compatibility
[16:41]	matey	im not leet enough to worry about lambdas
[16:41]	MinceR	iirc python3 still makes some hairy assumptions about some inputs being utf-8
[16:41]	XRevan86	matey: IIRC, ye were speaking of some code snippet that ye can't port to Python 3, can I look at it?
[16:41]	matey	i tried lambdas in python, but i didnt inhale
[16:41]	MinceR	multiline lambdas can be effectively added back in via hy, but i wish that wasn't necessary
[16:42]	MinceR	and, well, with non-hy lisp dialects, it isn't necessary :>
[16:42]	matey	XRevan86: f = open(file).read() ; print(f) # :)
[16:42]	matey	im completely serious 
[16:43]	matey	to make that work (reliably) in python 3 you have to do all sorts of nasty things
[16:44]	matey	the best retort to this is "python 2 also did all sorts of nasty things, and those werent reliable"
[16:44]	matey	and thats true-- but not for the things ive used python for since 2009.
[16:44]	matey	to the present.
[16:44]	matey	python 3 breaks that code-- i can tell you how long it took for my python 3 hackish replacement of that code to fail on me.
[16:45]	matey	i wrote a fairly straightforward workaround (in python 3) that took about half a year to break
[16:45]	matey	so i went back to python 2 and f = open(file).read() ; print(f)
[16:45]	matey	and it didnt break, and i use that
[16:45]	MinceR	sounds like one of those unicode issues
[16:45]	matey	of course it is
[16:46]	matey	all i want (unicode string wise) from python 3 is
[16:46]	matey	from _past_ import strings
[16:46]	matey	there is no such thing (and braces will come first)
[16:46]	MinceR	:>
[16:46]	matey	but pypy is highly unlikely to abandon python 2 compatibility
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[16:47]	matey	so its cheaper to use pypy2 than worry about fixing python 3
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[16:47]	matey	even if you fixed python 3
[16:47]	matey	microsoft will destroy it
[16:47]	matey	between github and guido working for satan, thats bad enough
[16:47]	matey	the rustification of python 3 is even worse than that
[16:47]	XRevan86	matey: with open(file, "rb") as f: ; print(f.read().decode(errors='replace'))
[16:47]	XRevan86	matey: Will that do?
[16:48]	matey	XRevan86: ill tell you in 6 months?
[16:48]	XRevan86	matey: That's a weird answer.
[16:48]	matey	thats how long it took my own workaround to fail
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[16:48]	matey	i was working on thousands of files, and weird shit was happening
[16:48]	XRevan86	matey: That's not a workaround, that's a straightforward hack.
[16:48]	matey	but other than that my workaround worked
[16:48]	bnchs	i used python to make my unpacker/packer for some console game file format
[16:49]	matey	.decode(errors='replace') <- i am not familiar with this 
[16:49]	matey	it looks smart, but i still dont know of it
[16:49]	matey	maybe it does EXACTLY what i want
[16:49]	matey	but since i dont know it, how could i say it does?
[16:49]	XRevan86	1. open with "binary", because otherwise Python 3 expects UTF-8; 2. decode the binary mess into a UTF-8 representation that can be printed out, the undecodable characters will be replaced with "" kind of shit, just like Python 2 does.
[16:50]	matey	thats AWESOME
[16:50]	MinceR	it will probably still drop some characters, it just won't quit with an exception when it sees something it doesn't like
[16:50]	XRevan86	So it does explicitly what Python 2 does implicitly.
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[16:50]	matey	why the fuck dont more people teach that?
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[16:50]	SomeH4x0r	XRevan86: is it a "replacement character" or you meant something else?
[16:50]	XRevan86	MinceR: Just like Python 2.
[16:50]	MinceR	even python2 couldn't just act like cat does?
[16:50]	matey	its not like ive never spent DAYS looking for solutions
[16:50]	matey	its not like i didnt try 2to3
[16:50]	MinceR	i thought it didn't make assumptions about the encoding of what it read from a file
[16:50]	matey	 <MinceR> even python2 couldn't just act like cat does? <- maybe it can
[16:51]	matey	<MinceR> i thought it didn't make assumptions about the encodin <- welcome to my world mincer
[16:51]	MinceR	i know python3 does
[16:51]	matey	<XRevan86> MinceR: Just like Python 2. <- this is great though
[16:51]	matey	oh
[16:51]	MinceR	well, whatever, scheme and common lisp are both better than python
[16:51]	matey	sure, if you like that sort of thing
[16:52]	matey	im not stupid enough to diss lisp 
[16:52]	matey	but i dont have to prefer it even if its better :)
[16:52]	XRevan86	matey: https://docs.python.org/3/library/codecs.html#codecs.decode here's the documentation.
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[16:52]	matey	ive looked at that before
[16:52]	matey	just not closely enough obviously
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[16:53]	XRevan86	MinceR: There could be a difference, but only on a non-UTF-8 terminal.
[16:53]	matey	ive learned coding mostly through examples and tutorials
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[16:53]	matey	with bits of documentation, but not foremost
[16:53]	matey	im not a cut and paster, that way leads to all sorts of horrors
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[16:54]	matey	id rather write my own horrors than cut and paste someone elses into something even worse
[16:54]	XRevan86	matey: The fun thing is that there are many "error handlers", and one can even make a custom one.
[16:54]	matey	yeah i used try and except like a noob.
[16:54]	XRevan86	That will interpret binary garbage to one's liking.
[16:54]	matey	but it worked for half a year
[16:55]	matey	.read().decode(errors='replace') <- this is
[16:55]	matey	if you were in town id buy you lunch
[16:55]	bnchs	i hate packed file formats
[16:56]	bnchs	specifically one's that don't store filenames but instead CRC32 hashes of the filename
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[16:57]	matey	my filesystem uses utf anyway
[16:57]	matey	im not bothered by that
[16:58]	matey	.decode(errors='replace') <- i always tell people
[16:58]	matey	the biggest, worst bugs are usually very small (and often simple)
[16:58]	bnchs	decode?
[16:58]	bnchs	i don't decode crap
[16:58]	bnchs	but i should have
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[16:59]	XRevan86	matey: Like not sanitising input?
[16:59]	XRevan86	That's in top 5 of bugs for sure.
[16:59]	matey	well i did my best
● May 07
[17:00]	matey	and i looked for the very thing you suggested, but to no avail
[17:00]	matey	/me checks how long ago he abandoned the python 3 version of 
[17:01]	matey	six yaers ago.
[17:01]	matey	six years ago i gave up on the python 3 version and went back to python 2
[17:02]	matey	i still prefer python 2 for stability and simplicity
[17:02]	matey	and pypy is maintained (unlike cpython2 obviously) which is why i hate the "python 2 isnt maintained" shit
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[17:02]	matey	because cpython is the only implementation in the world.
[17:02]	matey	i mean the python foundation gave 10,000 to pypy but they act like it doesnt exist
[17:03]	bnchs	cpython is the best implementation of python
[17:03]	matey	its the one microsoft is destroying and its the one on github.
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[17:03]	matey	so "best" is quite useless to me 
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[17:04]	matey	the rustification is a separate issue
[17:04]	matey	python is neither standard nor stable
[17:04]	matey	but python 3 is far more unstable than python 2
[17:04]	XRevan86	matey: Ironically, Python 3's approach to strings allows for more predictable results.
[17:04]	matey	thats what they say
[17:04]	XRevan86	matey: That's what I say too.
[17:05]	matey	youre the only one with the right, imo
[17:05]	bnchs	the good is how lightweight and portable cpython is
[17:05]	matey	as without your tip, i know what python 3 delivers in terms of predictability
[17:05]	bnchs	it's good how*
[17:06]	XRevan86	matey: Python is an unforgiving language when it comes to errors.
[17:06]	XRevan86	Which is usually considered to be a good thing :).
[17:06]	matey	yes, usually
[17:06]	matey	but i mean, the way youre saying that is nearly specious, and ill explain.
[17:06]	matey	ada is FAR more unforgiving
[17:06]	matey	thus far better
[17:06]	matey	which is true of course.
[17:07]	matey	for some purposes.
[17:07]	XRevan86	I wanted to say "go to PHP for nonstrictness", but everything new in PHP is pretty strict.
[17:07]	matey	when you want a satellite to work predictably
[17:07]	matey	you want to write the software in ada, not python
[17:07]	matey	far more things are written in bash, which compared to python is "anything goes"
[17:07]	matey	we both understand the differences and why such tradeoffs were made
[17:08]	matey	neither of us have to explain that to the other
[17:08]	matey	but my point is, such tradeoffs ARE made
[17:08]	matey	and i prefer python 2s strike of that balance
[17:08]	matey	python 3 (like php now) is more anal-retentive
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[17:08]	matey	but it will never be ada, it will only be a shoe that (for me) does not fit
[17:08]	XRevan86	matey: Yes, I'm just trying to frame this aspect of Python, that it threw an exception on you, as that Python is not making assumptions, it will fail when something wrong happens and it is unhandled.
[17:09]	matey	well there are times when i want to tell it to ignore exceptions
[17:09]	matey	and python has always had a mechanism for that
[17:09]	matey	but in python 3 telling it to ignore exceptions was not behaving as predictably as it was in python 2 :) because everything was more complicated
[17:09]	XRevan86	matey: And that's still possible.
[17:09]	matey	yes, but i didnt know that :)
[17:10]	matey	and that was after a very long time spent looking
[17:10]	matey	in the wrong place obviously.
[17:10]	matey	if i had looked in the right place, i might have found it :)
[17:10]	matey	thats how that works
[17:10]	matey	but this is only my biggest gripe solved
[17:10]	matey	there are others
[17:10]	matey	im still impressed of course
[17:10]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/EwZPU1f.jpeg
[17:10]	matey	i mean it makes me hate python 3 a bit less
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[17:11]	matey	which is a biggest statement than it sounds like
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[17:11]	matey	bigger
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[17:11]	matey	all the other gripes are still there, the rustification cant be solved without forking
[17:12]	bnchs	fuck
[17:12]	bnchs	93 mb total memory
[17:12]	bnchs	2 mb free memory
[17:12]	matey	wtf are you running
[17:12]	bnchs	python 2.7.16
[17:12]	bnchs	gstreamer
[17:13]	matey	i can watch video without any cpu load (apparently) but when i switch to another virtual desktop the load goes up
[17:13]	matey	with mplayer (i think it uses gstreamer)
[17:13]	matey	thats just weird
[17:13]	bnchs	this is a satellite decoder
[17:14]	matey	hmm
[17:14]	bnchs	a set top-box that i can run a IRC client on
[17:14]	matey	cool
[17:14]	bnchs	also watch channels
[17:14]	XRevan86	mplayer doesn't use gstreamer.
[17:14]	XRevan86	MPlayer and MPV both use FFmpeg.
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[17:16]	bnchs	the cool fact about this is that the frontend is completely written in python
[17:16]	matey	sometimes i mix up ffmpeg and gstreamer
[17:16]	matey	im glad theyre not the same thing
[17:16]	bnchs	somehow
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[17:17]	matey	i have a gripe with pypy  too
[17:17]	matey	my gripe is about availability
[17:18]	bnchs	and apparently has the worst way of installing packages
[17:18]	matey	try using pypy for everything, then dont use gnu/linux, then use less supported archs, youll see what i mean
[17:18]	matey	honestly im content with (even happier with) the standard packages
[17:18]	matey	i used to use pygame, but-- github
[17:18]		*psydroid2 thinks a $50 tv box can be a great computer running some free operating system
[17:19]	matey	im very fond of pytk, which is needed for idle
[17:19]	bnchs	it has support for different applications (like a youtube client and shit)
[17:19]	matey	/me figured out that bnchs is still talking about the set top box
[17:19]	bnchs	but you have to install it by ssh'ing into the fucking box
[17:19]	MinceR	isn't it called tkinter?
[17:19]	matey	mincer: yes, yes it is
[17:19]	bnchs	matey: yes
[17:20]	bnchs	tbh i don't remember how i got it
[17:20]	matey	tkinter is very nice. no harfbuzz, so if your glyphs are meant to combine they wont do that
[17:20]	matey	harfbuzz seems to be a frontend for some SIL thing
[17:21]	matey	but since the latter is also on github (at least its not the same author) thats not much different
[17:21]	matey	harfbuzz is both on github and written by a stallman canceller
[17:21]	XRevan86	The way I saw PyPy is that it's killer feature is JIT, i.e. performance of certain operations is higher than in CPython. But then again, Numba exists.
[17:21]	matey	that is the main thing pypy offers yes
[17:21]	MinceR	also getting rid of the GIL
[17:21]	matey	python 2 compatibility is a nice side effect of how its built
[17:22]	matey	also getting rid of the GIL <- i wasnt aware that pypy2 does that
[17:22]	matey	pypy even
[17:22]	XRevan86	MinceR: True.
[17:22]	matey	theres a bug in pypy, last i checked, regarding closing files
[17:23]	matey	open().read() should close the file, it does in cpython
[17:23]	matey	you can run it 100,000 times, it wont give you problems
[17:23]	matey	in pypy you can still use open().read() but theres a limit
[17:23]	bnchs	you mean the garbage collector should close it?
[17:24]	matey	i mean that you run out of file handles that way if you use it in a big enough loop
[17:24]	XRevan86	matey: Ye may have noticed that when I gave back a Python 3 aware snippet, I avoided "open().read()"
[17:24]	matey	unlike with cpython
[17:24]	MinceR	automatic reference counting should close it before the gc gets to it
[17:24]	MinceR	but maybe pypy doesn't have that
[17:24]	matey	 I avoided "open().read()" <- at any rate you have to in pypy
[17:25]	matey	but you dont have to in cpython, because it closes the file properly (as pypy should)
[17:25]	matey	but since pypy doesnt, when i moved from python to pypy i changed my program to use open() ; file.read() instead
[17:25]	matey	this way close() can be used
[17:26]	matey	i havent tried open().read().close() maybe i should :)
[17:26]	matey	i bet it wont work of course
[17:26]	XRevan86	matey: What would it close?
[17:26]	matey	the thing it leaves open!
[17:26]	matey	that it shoudlnt leave open
[17:26]	XRevan86	The output of read()
[17:26]	matey	i know
[17:27]	XRevan86	It can't be chained.
[17:27]	matey	i wouldnt think so
[17:27]	matey	but they already broke it, maybe they fixed it in some stupid way
[17:27]	matey	i think its unlikely.
[17:27]	bnchs	put the result of open() to a variable
[17:27]	matey	ive done that
[17:27]	bnchs	then read from the variable and close it
[17:27]	XRevan86	The official way to use open() without using close() is to use with
[17:27]	matey	with is cool
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[17:28]	matey	but the official way changes all the time
[17:28]	matey	i mean not in this example
[17:28]	XRevan86	matey: "but you dont have to in cpython, because it closes the file properly (as pypy should)" <- I really don't think that's reliable.
[17:28]	matey	broadly speaking, python is like a teenager, constantly reinventing itself and trying to impress people
[17:28]	XRevan86	matey: All the time, yea (exists since Python 2.5)
[17:28]	matey	<- I really don't think that's reliable. <- ive used it since 2009
[17:29]	matey	at any rate, switching to pypy forced me to do it the way you recommend
[17:29]	matey	its not a big deal, but in cpython i (really) didnt have to do that
[17:29]	XRevan86	matey: But ye really should.
[17:30]	matey	and if i always did what i should, life would be a lot more complicated (and sometimes ridiculously so)
[17:30]	psydroid2	"Esfahbod was arrested by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps intelligence echelon during a 2020 visit to Tehran. He was then moved to Evin prison, where he was psychologically pressured and interrogated in solitary confinement for 7 days. They downloaded all his private data from his devices. Iranian security forces let him go based on his promise to spy on his friends once he was back in the United States."
[17:30]	matey	i mean, if i all i wanted to do was write python "the way you should" id just move to another language thats more stable
[17:30]	XRevan86	Isn't that half of programming? Using the programming language properly?
[17:30]	psydroid2	not someone you want to be friends with
[17:30]	matey	not at the point at which it becomes a fallacy, no
[17:31]	matey	it ultimately turns into "no true python" and honestly, fuck that
[17:31]	matey	its a game
[17:31]	bnchs	psydroid2, when you hear "intelligence"
[17:31]	XRevan86	matey: "Should" as in "it may break otherwise because even the developers of the language don't trust that"
[17:31]	bnchs	it's always gonna end badly
[17:31]	bnchs	waterboarding
[17:31]	matey	developers come and go
[17:31]	bnchs	torture
[17:31]	matey	not everything they do is better
[17:31]	matey	when they make a change i dont think is better, i use what works that i prefer.
[17:31]	matey	and if they try to break it FURTHER specifically to stop me from doing that
[17:32]	matey	NOT for the reasons they say
[17:32]	matey	thats the sort of uppity industry bullshit up with which i do not put.
[17:32]	matey	to paraphrase (alleged) churchhill
[17:32]	matey	i mean it really does become like a grammatical pissing match, and that point im out.
[17:32]	XRevan86	matey: It was literally always this way.
[17:32]	matey	i literally never had an issue with it until i switched to pypy.
[17:33]	matey	not even once.
[17:33]	matey	not even on tens of thousands of files
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[17:33]	XRevan86	The only (very relatively) new thing is that a "with" operator was introduced, which allows implicit close()
[17:33]	matey	ive got a widget that monitors memory leaks and everything. i care.
[17:33]	matey	when i design something that breaks, i try to fix it.
[17:33]	matey	when it doesnt break...
[17:34]	matey	theres an aphorism not used nearly often enough, that i dont think developers understand fully:
[17:34]	matey	"dont fix it if its not broken"
[17:34]	matey	im looking at the python developers
[17:34]	matey	but
[17:34]	matey	fixing broken things is okay (thats why i fixed the code to work in pypy)
[17:35]	XRevan86	matey: Sometimes fixing one thing breaks another.
[17:35]	matey	i think its dangerous to put so much faith in developers that we assume everything they do is for a good reason
[17:35]	matey	matey: Sometimes fixing one thing breaks another. <- not in tech
[17:35]	matey	in tech, fixing one thing breaks 10 or more things.
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[17:36]	matey	which is why i dont fix anything without considering the next 7 generations :)
[17:36]	matey	that and sheer laziness
[17:36]	matey	i chose methods for their ease and convenience, not only correctness
[17:36]	matey	because correctness dovetails with fashion, and (to SOME degree) is arbitrary.
[17:37]	XRevan86	matey: One day relying on an unreliable mechanism in CPython may bite your arse.
[17:37]	matey	when its actually reasonable, im pro-correctness
[17:37]	matey	when its necessary, thats one thing.
[17:37]	matey	correctness for correctnesses sake is bullshit though
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[17:37]	XRevan86	And there are reliable deterministic ways of doing things.
[17:37]	matey	One day relying on an unreliable mechanism in CPython may bite your arse. <- its happened once or twice
[17:38]	matey	And there are reliable deterministic ways of doing things. <- i find your abundance of faith disturbing
[17:38]	matey	youre saying things that can only be wrong if you overdo them
[17:38]	XRevan86	matey: open() close() is (almost) deterministic. "with" is deterministic.
[17:38]	matey	and im only arguing against overdoing them.
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[17:38]	MinceR	just use context managers (with)
[17:39]	matey	matey: open() close() is (almost) deterministic. <- i mean, like i said, from 2009 to quite recently, it never gave me a problem even once
[17:39]	XRevan86	I'm arguing that one shouldn't write bad code.
[17:39]	matey	define bad code.
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[17:39]	matey	youre overgeneralising in the name of formality
[17:39]	XRevan86	matey: In this case, code that may break under certain conditions, and expectedly so.
[17:39]	matey	its not a contradiction, until it is
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[17:39]	matey	and expectedly so. <- prove it?
[17:40]	matey	if its not breaking, and working as intended as for years at a time, i think there are other things worth focusing on tbh
[17:40]	matey	theres always some improvement that can be made
[17:40]	XRevan86	matey: It may just mountain up.
[17:40]	matey	maybe
[17:41]	matey	i like to keep it simple
[17:41]	XRevan86	Little needless shortcuts with bad handling of edge-cases.
[17:41]	MinceR	https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/04/27/the-place-of-fire
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[17:41]	matey	youre treating something very broad as a given, and from a standpoint of logic i think you shouldnt
[17:41]	matey	its prejudice (in the logical sense)
[17:42]	matey	industry solves problems sometimes. weve seen it make up problems that dont exist so it can fix those too
[17:42]	matey	i have no tolerance for that
[17:42]	matey	but im told i should be afraid
[17:42]	matey	i think we should fix real problems, and worry less about ones that are made up
[17:43]	matey	but again-- youre not saying anything untrue, depending on the scope of what youre saying.
[17:43]	matey	its simply a matter of scope
[17:43]	matey	if we expand the scope of what youre saying to a hard rule, it think its lily-gilding and micromanagement, with all the advantages of both.
[17:44]	matey	oh python "fixed" something. better go redo 1,200 already working programs.
[17:44]	matey	fuck that really
[17:44]	MinceR	older languages are more stable
[17:44]	XRevan86	matey: Ye're conflating issues as well.
[17:44]	matey	not intentionally, but probably.
[17:44]	XRevan86	matey: This problem was in Python since day 1.
[17:45]	XRevan86	matey: What was open()'d should be manually close()'d.
[17:45]	matey	i think you miss the fact that 1. i was never aware of it 2. it never affected me until i switched to pypy
[17:45]	matey	and 3. i fixed it when i discovered it
[17:45]	matey	but the most important is #2.
[17:45]	matey	basically from 2009 to 2020 it was a non-issue in my life
[17:46]	matey	i know there are things like y2k where we should have known better
[17:46]	matey	but worrying about everything wont eliminated that category of flaw
[17:46]	matey	sometimes you just have to fix things when they become a real problem
[17:46]	matey	its nice when you can fix them ahead of time. when you know about the issue.
[17:47]	matey	and when its a real issue.
[17:47]	matey	but if i did everything the way i  "should" then python would become too tedious to bother with.
[17:47]	matey	id rather write code that works, than write code thats twice as bothersome to create because it SHOULD work.
[17:48]	matey	and i really dont like the direction python is headed in, at alll
[17:48]	matey	i have no desire to use it that way
[17:48]	XRevan86	matey: I really hope ye never *write* data with open and only read it.
[17:48]	matey	matey: I really hope ye never *write* data with open and only read it. <- well no
[17:48]	TR News	Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Released | The BIGGEST Update To Ubuntu Yet! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rvomlAAdxkM Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
[17:48]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Released | The BIGGEST Update To Ubuntu Yet! - Invidious
[17:48]	matey	ive always used close after writing.
[17:48]	matey	since before i even used python.
[17:48]	matey	sure, the files close when the program ends
[17:49]	matey	but i dont like leaving file handles dangling or failing to keep track of whats open, do i?
[17:50]	TR News	Tails 5.0: the Linux distro that protects your privacy makes the leap to Debian 11 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164428#comment-33566
[17:50]	TR Bot	 Tails 5.0 Anonymous OS Officially Released, Based on Debian GNU/Linux 11 Bullseye | Tux Machines
[17:52]	TR News	"A large sum of money from Debian funds is now paying for Jonathan Cohen, a lawyer at Charles Fussell & Co LLP, to purse a SLAPP lawsuit and try to shut down the Debian Community News and the Uncensored Debian Planet web sites." https://fsfellowship.news/charles-fussell-jonathan-cohen-debian-slapp-microsite-resignations/
[17:52]	TR Bot	 Charles Fussell, Jonathan Cohen & Debian SLAPP microsite, resignations
[17:52]	XRevan86	matey: Why so much trust in the GC then?
[17:54]	matey	because thats what gc is for
[17:54]	matey	funnily enough, when i was trying to learn more about this
[17:54]	matey	i found an article that PERFECTLY explains my position on this 
[17:54]	matey	https://lerner.co.il/2015/01/18/dont-use-python-close-files-answer-depends/
[17:54]	TR Bot	 If you don't use "with", when does Python close files? The answer is: It depends. Reuven Lerner
[17:55]	matey	in fact every shortcut i take (and i only take so many) is explained here.
[17:55]	matey	its not arbitrary, im not against doing things correctly in most instances
[17:57]	matey	it not only explains WHEN i make exceptions to the rules
[17:57]	matey	but WHY
[17:58]	matey	(apart from laziness which is a factor to be sure)
[17:58]	matey	mostly im not lazy when its really better not to be
[17:58]	matey	as a bonus its about the same example (though for me this is a sometimes-rule)
● May 07
[18:01]	matey	I ask this, because I have taught Python to many people over the years, and am convinced that trying to teach with and/or context managers, while also trying to teach many other topics, is more than students can absorb. While I touch on with in my introductory classes, I normally tell them that at this point in their careers, its fine to let Python close files, either when the reference count to the file object drops to zero, or when Pyth
[18:03]	matey	the next step after learning how to code is doing it better and considering more edge cases
[18:04]	matey	people who try to teach coding "properly" at the same time lose more people, who barely make it through or dont at all
[18:04]	matey	coding properly should be introduced of course
[18:05]	matey	but its a lifelong discipline and neednt (likely shouldnt, as it interferes with the primary goal) be introduced at exactly the same time / rate as coding itself
[18:05]	matey	when people learn how to draw, write, do most things, they dont start with all the formality
[18:06]	matey	they start with crayons more often than oil on canvas, because mistakes are cheap learning experiences
[18:06]	matey	if you rely on formality, people will do things and not question them
[18:06]	matey	if you let people make mistakes, they might learn MORE
[18:07]	matey	and understand more intimately
[18:07]	matey	thats bad for a mission critical system though its good for creating inquisitive, intuitive people
[18:08]	matey	either way, if you show people the right way first, its no guarantee theyre more likely to learn the right way at all
[18:08]	matey	you show them that coding is ridiculously complicated-- which it isnt always
[18:09]	matey	we could just start everyone on ada, then after that tell them that for some applications, even shit like javascript suffinces
[18:09]	matey	instead we always teach compromises
[18:10]	matey	tradeoffs, imperfection
[18:11]	matey	theres not enough simplicity in the world for me to believe we are placing enough emphasis on it when we teach
[18:11]	matey	but either way things will get complex when they have to
[18:14]	MinceR	(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5LGcX9Y1vY
[18:14]	TR Bot	https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=l5LGcX9Y1vY
[18:14]	TR Bot	tube.cthd.icu | Operation CONDOR: When the United States Government Were the Terrorists - Invidious
[18:15]	matey	preventative medicine, like everything else, is subject to the law of diminishing returns
[18:15]	matey	and being informal is fun
[18:18]	matey	maybe 50% of the time i write something, its like the command line
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[18:18]	matey	im not even saving it
[18:18]	matey	im just writing it and running it
[18:18]	matey	and it does the job and its done
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[18:19]	matey	if i complicated that, it would be for nothing
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[18:21]	bnchs	mem....
[18:21]	bnchs	memz
[18:23]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164571
[18:23]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
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[18:28]	TR News	"It did not take too long to move from 2500 to 2600 games: there are now 2624 games at the time of writing working on the Steam Deck in two categories as usual..." https://boilingsteam.com/more-than-2600-games-steam-deck/
[18:28]	TR Bot	 More than 2600 Games On The Steam Deck, with Corpse Party as Verified - Boiling Steam
[18:28]	TR News	Quieter Fans With The Latest Steam Deck Beta https://boilingsteam.com/quieter-fans-with-the-latest-steam-deck-beta/
[18:28]	TR Bot	 Quieter Fans With The Latest Steam Deck Beta - Boiling Steam
[18:29]	TR News	China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572 GNU/Linux instead...
[18:29]	TR Bot	 China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs | Tux Machines
[18:30]	bnchs	dump foreign PCs
[18:30]	bnchs	they're BAD
[18:30]	bnchs	lets use our poorly-written software
[18:31]	bnchs	with bad english
[18:34]	TR News	Linux already has Microsoft GitHub pollution. Security risk for a number of reasons. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220507052451.12890-1-ojeda@kernel.org/
[18:34]	TR Bot	 [PATCH v6 00/23] Rust support - Miguel Ojeda
[18:35]	TR News	"SpiderMonkey is the JavaScript engine used in Mozilla Firefox. This newsletter gives an overview of the JavaScript and WebAssembly work weve done as part of the Firefox 100 and 101 Nightly release cycles." https://spidermonkey.dev/blog/2022/05/06/newsletter-firefox-100-101.html
[18:35]	TR Bot	 SpiderMonkey Newsletter (Firefox 100-101) | SpiderMonkey JavaScript/WebAssembly Engine
[18:37]	TR News	Firefox 100: technological resurrection, popular death http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164392#comment-33569
[18:37]	TR Bot	 Firefox 100 Is Now Available for Download, Enables GTK Overlay Scrollbars on Linux | Tux Machines
[18:37]	TR News	Wine development release 7.8 is now available. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164573
[18:37]	TR Bot	 Wine development release 7.8 is now available. | Tux Machines
[18:38]	TR News	Mac Asay is back to MongoDB? https://www.techrepublic.com/article/appwrites-new-open-source-fund-could-offer-novel-path-sustainability/
[18:38]	TR Bot	new open-source fund could offer a novel path to sustainability | TechRepublic
[18:39]	psydroid2	how does this guy keep jobs bouncing from company to company?
[18:40]	psydroid2	always on his Mac
[18:40]	matey	#techrights : 05/07/22 17:30 <bnchs> lets use our poorly-written software
[18:40]	matey	#techrights : 05/07/22 17:31 <bnchs> with bad english
[18:40]	psydroid2	oh right, he's a manager
[18:41]	matey	if ot works well, sure
[18:41]	bnchs	i just heard the ping sound play twice at the same time
[18:41]	matey	/me figures bnchs is talking about something else again
[18:41]	bnchs	now 3 times
[18:41]	matey	pulseaudio?
[18:42]	TR News	"The project is released under The GNU General Public License v3.0 only" https://medevel.com/energize/
[18:42]	TR Bot	 Track your nutrition with this amazing free Android app: Energize
[18:42]	bnchs	nah the sound it plays when someone mentions me
[18:42]	matey	oops
[18:42]	bnchs	it's nothing
[18:42]	matey	 :)
[18:42]	TR News	"VTENEXT is released and distributed under the GNU AFFERO GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 3.0." https://medevel.com/vtenext/
[18:42]	TR Bot	 VTENEXT is the Open Source CRM and BPM solution
[18:43]	TR News	Missing the classic Opera browser? Try Otter Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164574
[18:43]	TR Bot	 Missing the classic Opera browser? Try Otter | Tux Machines
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[18:45]	SomeH4x0r	it is not classic Opera. Classic Opera source code is being leaked.
[18:46]	SomeH4x0r	Classic Opera is iirc Opera before version 12.18 or something around this.
[18:46]	TR News	#42 Numerous Emojis - This Week in GNOME Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164575
[18:46]	TR Bot	 #42 Numerous Emojis - This Week in GNOME | Tux Machines
[18:46]	SomeH4x0r	Otter does not have own engine afaik, it is either QtWebKit, or Blink. It is once again not the classic Opera.
[18:47]	activelow	don't want to use a web browser outside tty context ever again... which leaves w3m, links, lynx and similar
[18:51]	TR News	"Principal Community Manager"... LOL. Slaveowner? https://opensource.com/article/22/5/open-practice-library-lean-coffee
[18:51]	TR Bot	community engagement by serving up Lean Coffee | Opensource.com
[18:52]	TR News	"AWS didnt listen but, not for the first time, my opinion didnt seem to matter. (Thats a polite way of saying maybe I was wrong.)" He seems to have left Amazon. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/your-open-source-project-definitely-should-not-next-kubernetes/
[18:52]	TR Bot	your open-source project definitely should not be the next Kubernetes | TechRepublic
[18:54]	TR News	System76 Scheduler seeks to improve and optimize the execution of games and applications - LinuxStoney https://linuxstoney.com/system76-scheduler-seeks-to-improve-and-optimize-the-execution-of-games-and-applications/ Source: linuxstoney
[18:54]	matey	stallman made concessions to open source at lieplanet 2022 ii
[18:54]	TR Bot	Scheduler seeks to improve and optimize the execution of games and applications - LinuxStoney
[18:54]	matey	that was beaten out of him, like a signed confession
[18:55]	matey	they were small, explicit and seemed uncontroversial
[18:55]	matey	if you ignore years of context at least
[18:55]	TR News	Bottles developers join the GNOME Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164573#comment-33570
[18:55]	TR Bot	 Wine development release 7.8 is now available. | Tux Machines
[18:55]	matey	this is his purpose now, to undo his own worl
[18:56]	matey	work
[18:56]	matey	linus merges shit into the kernel
[18:56]	matey	stallman merges shit into the fsf
[18:57]	matey	thats what they were beaten into. only linus has already sacrificed his integrity, just not enough to please everyone
[18:57]	TR News	AVMultiPhone is a peculiar MATE-on-phone desktop spin Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164576
[18:57]	TR Bot	 AVMultiPhone is a peculiar MATE-on-phone desktop spin | Tux Machines
[18:57]	activelow	i don't agree with blaming lt and rms
[18:57]	matey	hes really nothing like stallman at all
[18:57]	matey	the real one wouldnt stand for this
[18:58]	matey	this happens to prisoners of war
[18:58]	TR News	"A week ago I attended Linux App Summit (LAS) 2022 in Rovereto, Italy. It was great to finally travel and meet people again, after more than two years. At the same time it would be naive to think the pandemic is over" https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2022/05/07/las-2022-recap.html
[18:58]	TR Bot	 Linux App Summit 2022
[18:58]	matey	stallman is a hostage
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[18:58]	matey	the people holding him and beating him (metaphorically) are scum
[18:58]	matey	horrible people
[18:59]	matey	that he thanks.
[18:59]	matey	because he has to
[18:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 70.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 449.58
● May 07
[19:00]	matey	"thank you for co-opting my movement and selling users back to monopolies"
[19:00]	activelow	lt and rms represent an era of hacking which is long gone almost entirely
[19:00]	matey	"at least your code is under a free license"
[19:00]	TR News	Latest Linux Kernel Not Working Right? So you can go back Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164577
[19:00]	TR Bot	 Latest Linux Kernel Not Working Right? So you can go back | Tux Machines
[19:00]	matey	thats not gratitude, its submission
[19:00]	matey	stallman is subjugated
[19:01]	matey	lieplanet is a celebration of doublespeak and sleaze
[19:02]	TR News	Imposing Microsoft junk on Gemini protocol? gemini://gemini.marmaladefoo.com/blog/
[19:02]	matey	and conquest in freedoms clothing
[19:02]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22042981
[19:02]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/976x549_b/p0299z24.jpg created on 2022-04-29 23:43:17.050035
[19:02]	matey	might as well call it the u.s.s.f
[19:03]	MinceR	GWF -- Gratis Windows Foundation
[19:03]	matey	united stolen source foundation
[19:03]	TR News	Khadas VIM4 Review - Part 2: Android 11 preview and benchmarks Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164578
[19:03]	TR Bot	 Khadas VIM4 Review - Part 2: Android 11 preview and benchmarks | Tux Machines
[19:03]	MinceR	doesn't need to be free (see systemd)
[19:03]	MinceR	and doesn't need to do anything beyond copying the design flaws in windows (again, see systemd)
[19:03]	MinceR	but hey, at least it's still a foundation
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[19:04]	matey	most people consider a cracked foundation useless
[19:04]	DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yk8AAHPZpY
[19:04]	TR Bot	https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=8yk8AAHPZpY
[19:04]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, ^
[19:04]	TR Bot	timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=8yk8AAHPZpY )
[19:04]	matey	and in dire need of repair or replacement
[19:04]	matey	but lieplanet has a few cans of paint that might do the trick
[19:05]	matey	also their uncle owns a paint company, but thats just lucky
[19:07]	matey	uncle wingos paint, seed and feed
[19:07]	matey	formerly owned by charles u. farley
[19:07]	TR News	MongoDB: Mac Asay and "Principal Community Manager" Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164579
[19:07]	TR Bot	 MongoDB: Mac Asay and "Principal Community Manager" | Tux Machines
[19:09]	TR News	Games: Steam and Schedular (Re)Work Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164580
[19:09]	TR Bot	 Games: Steam and Schedular (Re)Work | Tux Machines
[19:10]	matey	"    I do not have a preferred GNU/Linux distro. I recommend all the ethical distros namely, those that are 100% free software.
[19:10]	matey	"I've chosen not to have any preferences among those ethical distros. But I am not in a position to judge them on other criteria: even to try them all would be a lot work that I have no need to do."
[19:10]	matey	for a man of logic, the leap should be obvious
[19:10]	TR News	Free Software: Sandstorm, VTENEXT, and Energize Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164581
[19:10]	TR Bot	 Free Software: Sandstorm, VTENEXT, and Energize | Tux Machines
[19:10]	DaemonFC	That's one reason why I just kept the Impala around for a while as they fix the rust on the Buick.
[19:11]	DaemonFC	I didn't want to rent a car when these companies turn their paying customers over to the police for car theft when they've paid for the rental period and returned the car to the rental company.
[19:11]	matey	first rust in the kernel, now on the buick too
[19:11]	DaemonFC	There's really no downside to Hertz because it's some customer who goes to jail and gets to sort out felony charges.
[19:12]	MinceR	i wonder if there even is a 100% free distro
[19:12]	MinceR	the GWF has taken to pushing systemd/Linux distros as if they were free, even though they aren't
[19:12]	matey	mincer: sure, just change the freedom constant of the universe so it fits the shit we have now
[19:12]	MinceR	:>
[19:12]	MinceR	might as well just buy windows or macOS then
[19:12]	matey	i call it q/linux 
[19:12]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Well, one of Red Hat's lawyers was talking about a package that made it into a bunch of FSF-sponsored distributions that had the copyright license stripped and replaced with one claiming to be the public domain.
[19:12]	DaemonFC	afio, I think it was.
[19:13]	TR News	China intends to transfer state institutions and state-owned enterprises to Linux and PCs of local manufacturers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571
[19:13]	TR Bot	 China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs | Tux Machines
[19:13]	DaemonFC	Some consultant wrote it back in the 80s and it was placed under a non-Free license, and then someone put it on sourceforge in the early 2000s with a "new license" and they didn't actually have the rights to do that.
[19:13]	matey	fsdg compliance isnt a bill of health
[19:13]	DaemonFC	But Debian snapped it up.
[19:13]	matey	its a committment to remove non-free software
[19:14]	DaemonFC	And that meant that any distro that based on Debian likely brought it in while they were importing Debian's software repository.
[19:14]	DaemonFC	Nobody even knows who has the copyright now.
[19:14]	matey	lwn.net/Articles/312262/
[19:14]	matey	In the US, that means the copyright term is "120 years after creation or 95 years after publication, whichever endpoint is earlier." So, again, barring a likely copyright extension, the afio code will pass into the public domain in 2080. Not as bad as 2145, but I really hope our future ape overlords don't need afio in 2080.
[19:15]	matey	>  Actually, this blog entry is kinda a salute to their progress. There was a time when we'd be debating the presence of Adobe Flash, but now we're down to little old obscure replaceable programs like 'afio'. 
[19:15]	DaemonFC	Tom Calloway tried to figure it out by contacting HP and Eastman Kodak Company, which may have ended up with the copyright to afio when they bought the consulting firm and then traded it around, but nobody working at either company knew if they owned afio or cared to investigate whether they did or not.
[19:16]	matey	If you look on debian, even a version for texlive says that it was (at least somewhat) brought into the requirements dictated by DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines) : 2007.dfsg.1-4.
[19:16]	matey	DFSG suffix says that vanilla upstream got some parts stripped out to comply with DFSG.
[19:16]	DaemonFC	Fedora actually does investigate whether it's legal or not to ship a package.
[19:16]	DaemonFC	So it is easier to base a fully Free distribution on Fedora and know if you're in compliance with the law.
[19:17]	matey	except for removing systemd
[19:17]	DaemonFC	Further, since Fedora doesn't put the binary firmwares in a million different packages, you could just delete the proprietary firmwares if you wanted to and then repackage whatever you want to keep downstream without creating a huge mess.
[19:17]	MinceR	Trash has effectively wormed its way into our web "standards"
[19:17]	MinceR	they call it HTML5 now
[19:17]	matey	rofl
[19:17]	matey	all the more reason to switch to gemini
[19:17]	MinceR	it comes with support for DRM and usually also with a nonfree blob from cisco
[19:17]	MinceR	yet there's no debate about that
[19:17]	matey	because the fsf is fake
[19:17]	TR News	Intel wants to fix sleep malfunction on Linux laptops https://linuxstoney.com/intel-wants-to-fix-sleep-malfunction-on-linux-laptops/
[19:17]	TR Bot	wants to fix sleep malfunction on Linux laptops - LinuxStoney
[19:18]	MinceR	yeah
[19:18]	matey	literally dead
[19:18]	DaemonFC	You could remove systemd from Fedora like Devuan did if you wanted to make a fork.
[19:18]	matey	the whole thing about doublespeak is 
[19:18]	matey	you say the right things
[19:18]	matey	you dont mean them.
[19:18]	MinceR	but hey, at least it doesn't perform like adobe "developers" coded it anymore
[19:18]	MinceR	it can do more than 10 fps in a thumbnail without antialiasing, somehow
[19:18]	DaemonFC	You don't have to blindly copy the entire package repository of Fedora.
[19:18]	matey	 You could remove systemd from Fedora like Devuan did <- ive already spent many years jerking off (like devuan did)
[19:19]	DaemonFC	You could even do what that one distribution did and drop GTK and GNOME entirely.
[19:19]	activelow	systemd+dbus+udev.... good luck
[19:19]	DaemonFC	They had self-contained packages for popular GTK applications in case you did want to run one.
[19:19]	matey	and i dont know anything about them removing systemd from fedora, unless you (understandably) are referring to debian as "fedora"
[19:19]	DaemonFC	But today, you could purge everything GTK from your distribution and tell people to use Flatpak if they wanted any of that.
[19:19]	matey	<MinceR> it can do more than 10 fps in a thumbnail without antialiasing, somehow <- 8 bit colour on the framebuffer
[19:19]	DaemonFC	In fact, it usually works out BETTER to install GTK apps from Flatpak if you use KDE.
[19:20]	matey	and with sixels you get over 9000 fps
[19:20]	TR News	Small-Scale Fab: Make Parts with Free/Open Source Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164582
[19:20]	TR Bot	 Small-Scale Fab: Make Parts with Free/Open Source Software | Tux Machines
[19:20]	MinceR	the quake engine already did more
[19:20]	MinceR	on the whole screen
[19:20]	matey	thats fast enough for nasa to render the space shuttle in 8 bits
[19:20]	MinceR	but that's because it wasn't coded by adobe
[19:21]	DaemonFC	With Flatpak you know the application will have everything it needs in order to run and the packager usually figures you might be running it on KDE and checks the environment and applies the correct UI settings.
[19:21]	matey	With Flatpak you know the application will have everything it needs <- similar to the internet
[19:21]	matey	with flatpak i get the warm feeling of... thinking about ibm shoving jews into ovens
[19:21]	DaemonFC	Well, with traditional packages they just kind of take a shit all over your preferred desktop environment.
[19:21]	MinceR	"similar to bearblasting"
[19:21]	matey	maybe warm isnt the right word
[19:21]	matey	hot, very hot
[19:22]	bnchs	matey: why use sixels
[19:22]	matey	because sixels are bigger than jesus
[19:22]	bnchs	pity the guy who has to overload the terminal's STDOUT with characters
[19:22]	bnchs	just because it was a 4K stream
[19:22]	matey	well i use characters for graphics
[19:23]	matey	but i just use blocks or even # and then make the font 1 or 2px in size :)
[19:23]	matey	as a cheap workaround for pygame selling out
[19:23]	bnchs	matey: there's a VO for mpv
[19:23]	matey	mpv no, mplayer maybe.
[19:23]	bnchs	that prints the video stream as characters to terminal
[19:23]	matey	i dont do mpv
[19:23]	DaemonFC	I signed up for a new credit card because of all of these big expenses this month.
[19:23]	matey	oh you mean libcaca
[19:23]	matey	yes mplayer has that too
[19:23]	activelow	sixels aren't designed for realtime streaming
[19:23]	DaemonFC	It gives me $400 if I put $2,000 through the card in the first 90 days.
[19:24]	DaemonFC	So that'll be easy.
[19:24]	DaemonFC	Then 2% cash back on everything in perpetuity.
[19:24]	matey	but when i had the framebuffer i just played video on that
[19:24]	bnchs	matey: play a video with mpv with --vo=tct
[19:24]	DaemonFC	Plus, if I pay my phone bill with that card, it covers the full replacement cost of any phone on that phone bill.
[19:24]	matey	again, mplayer, not mpv
[19:24]	bnchs	m p v
[19:24]	DaemonFC	Or the cost to repair. Whichever is less.
[19:25]	matey	https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv
[19:25]	TR Bot	- mpv-player/mpv: Command line video player
[19:25]	matey	i wont use mpv
[19:25]	bnchs	just use mplayer
[19:25]	matey	i do :)
[19:25]	bnchs	with --vo=tct
[19:26]	matey	mplayer -vo help | tr "\n" " "
[19:26]	matey	 Available video output drivers:  xv X11/Xv  gl_nosw OpenGL no software rendering  x11 X11 ( XImage/Shm )  xover General X11 driver for overlay capable video output drivers  sdl SDL YUV/RGB/BGR renderer (SDL v1.1.7+ only!)  gl
[19:26]	matey	OpenGL  gl_tiled X11 (OpenGL) - multiple textures version  dga DGA ( Direct Graphic Access V2.0 )  matrixview MatrixView (OpenGL)  null Null video output  mpegpes MPEG-PES file  yuv4mpeg yuv4mpeg output for mjpegtools  png PNG file  jpeg JPEG file  gif89a animated GIF output  tga Targa output  pnm PPM/PGM/PGMYUV file  md5sum md5sum of each frame  mng MNG file
[19:26]	matey	mplayer -vo help | grep tct | wc       0       0       0
[19:27]	bnchs	then it's probably a mpv thing
[19:27]	bnchs	the point is it draws each pixel as an ANSI escape code
[19:27]	matey	theres way to do that too
[19:27]	matey	its just not tct
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[19:49]	TR News	Edinburgh zoo welcomes two new endangered penguins https://planetradio.co.uk/clyde/local/news/edinburgh-zoo-penguins/ Endangered? Then we'll put you in prison to protect you...
[19:49]	TR Bot	 Edinburgh zoo welcomes two new endangered penguins
[19:51]	TR News	Super Predator Megaraptor - Largest known dinosaur fossil from the raptor family found in Argentina https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/super-predator-megaraptor-largest-known-dinosaur-fossil-from-the-raptor-family-found-in-argentina-article-91187161
[19:51]	TR Bot	 Super Predator Megaraptor - Largest known dinosaur fossil from the raptor family found in Argentina
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[19:58]		*psydroid2 is calling the FSF the Super Predator Megaraptor Foundation from now on
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[20:00]	matey	/s/Super//
[20:00]	matey	im partial to bsf
[20:00]	matey	but no matter what we call it
[20:00]	matey	it still sucks
[20:08]	MinceR	lol
[20:10]	matey	and organisation turned against itself, its cause and the people it stood for
[20:10]	matey	now it corrupts, makes excuses and lies to people
[20:11]	matey	and exploits its own founder for show
[20:12]	matey	<ross from friends> could it BE any more open source?
[20:12]	TR News	Fictional market, fictional valuations. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/thai-stock-market-may-extend-its-losses-on-tuesday
[20:12]	matey	/me tries chandler instead
[20:13]	matey	ross is annoying, but better him than josh simmons
[20:13]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/cc8zmSs.jpeg
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[20:15]	TR News	Fictional nonsense https://musically.com/2022/05/05/father-of-the-ipod-tony-fadell-f-the-metaverse/
[20:16]	TR News	"2022 Corporate Citizenship Awards"??? WTF is THAT? https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2022/05/01/corporate-citizenship-awards-a-t-t.html
[20:17]	TR News	"As a rep from Raspberry Pi Foundation explains, "Coding is one aspect of digital making. When you write code, you are writing instructions for a computer to follow."" https://www.womansday.com/life/entertainment/g39590570/best-coding-websites-games-for-kids/
[20:18]	TR News	Proprietary not sustainable https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/04/27/macos-server-adieu
[20:19]	matey	josh simmons: stallman is a bigot!
[20:20]	matey	also josh simmons: anyone who doesnt like me is a bigot!
[20:20]	bnchs	how everyone i hate is a nazi
[20:20]	matey	by an ibm supporter who loves irony
[20:20]	TR News	These people in SCOTUS think they work for Jesus https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3460420-supreme-court-revisits-prayer-in-school-in-football-coach-case/
[20:21]	psydroid2	gene simmons: I can't stop loving you!
[20:21]	matey	also gene simmons: respect our intellectual property!
[20:22]	matey	/me prefers ace frehley, hes less of a dipshit
[20:22]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164583
[20:22]	matey	dont get me wrong, gene simmons is cool looking
[20:22]	matey	hes just a dipshit
[20:23]	matey	i cant say anything bad (that i know of) about ace, hes amazing
[20:24]	matey	same with axl and slash
[20:25]	matey	axl: dipshit 
[20:25]	matey	slash: awesome
[20:25]	matey	same with paul and g-- nah, i like paul
[20:25]	matey	if hes a dipshit hes an endearing dipshit
[20:26]	matey	hes got a birthday in about a month, dont know which one though
[20:29]	TR News	Wikipedia doesn't want your crypto donations anymore https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/wikimedia-stops-crypto-donations
[20:31]	SomeH4x0r	it is too big for my money
[20:31]	SomeH4x0r	I dislike big projects
[20:33]	TR News	Distracting from what actually matter? https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2022/05/why-the-dobbs-leak-is-dangerous
[20:34]	TR News	RISC-V edges closer to reality: Alibaba close to porting Android to RISC-V Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164584
[20:35]	TR News	No fakecoin, thank you... https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/05/26922495/wikipedia-will-stop-accepting-bitcoin-ethereum-after-community-approves-proposal-decrying-digital-as
[20:36]	TR News	Turing Distinguished Leader Series: Ashu Garg, General Partner, Foundation Capital https://readwrite.com/engineering-leaders-discuss-how-to-build-a-unicorn/
[20:37]	TR News	BS acronym https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-python-jobs-developers-should-apply-for-in-faang-companies/
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[20:37]	TR News	Proprietary scam https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/intuit-turbotax-settlement
[20:38]	TR News	Pretending that anything Microsoft does not control simply does not exist https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-trending-open-source-python-projects-on-github/
[20:39]	TR News	Steam Deck unboxing and hands-on initial impressions [VIDEO] https://chromeunboxed.com/steam-deck-unboxing-hands-on-initial-impressions/ Source: chromeunboxed
[20:41]	TR News	"Avoid Malwarebytes and the others. Let macOS do its job." What job? Lockdown and spying? https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/hit-by-dylib-hijack-virus.2343513/
[20:42]	TR News	"modernization" as a buzzword Git for Mainframe: Back to the Future
[20:42]	TR News	But the prices go up, so that's masking the underlying problem https://www.wptv.com/news/state/gas-diapers-essential-items-will-be-tax-free-in-florida
[20:44]	psydroid2	bundling subpar software with overpriced hardware is a win, but for whom?
[20:45]	TR News	GNU's GIMP https://roboticsandautomationnews.com/2022/05/07/10-professional-level-web-design-tools-to-get-the-ideal-website/50814/
[20:46]	matey	ultimately, both
[20:46]	matey	but certainly not all
[20:47]	TR News	AlmaLinux Now Available on Oracle Cloud http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164521#comment-33572
[20:48]	TR News	Android starts playing Nintendo Switch games https://theinformant.co.nz/android-starts-playing-nintendo-switch-games/ Source: theinformant
[20:49]	TR News	After US let a million old Americans die with COVID... https://www.aarp.org/caregiving/home-care/info-2022/fixing-long-term-care.html?intcmp=AE-HP-TTN-R2-POS3-REALPOSS-TODAY
[20:49]	TR News	Surge??? After lockdown? How many are full time? How many have pensions? Corporate media, controlled by the profiteers. https://wraltechwire.com/2022/05/02/help-wanted-ads-dominate-in-triangle-jobs-openings-surge-since-jan/
[20:50]	TR News	Pyramid schemes are a problem https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/california-newsom-crypto-regulations
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[20:55]	TR News	China's answer to GAFAM https://www.huaweicentral.com/huawei-launches-digital-bus-project-to-level-up-education-sector-in-thailand/
[20:55]	TR News	What are the Best Automated Penetration Testing Tools in 2022? - TechStory https://techstory.in/what-are-the-best-automated-penetration-testing-tools-in-2022/ Source: techstory
[20:58]	TR News	"SingCERT's Security Bulletin summarises the list of vulnerabilities collated from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)'s National Vulnerability Database (NVD) in the past week." https://www.csa.gov.sg/en/singcert/Alerts/sb-2022-018
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.93 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 429.25
● May 07
[21:00]	TR News	"Big Tech and the corporate media are ushering in an ominous era of intense censorship over Ukraine." https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/28/online-censorship-of-ukraine-dissent-is-becoming-the-new-norm/
[21:00]	TR News	Big ISPs just gave up on blocking net neutrality law in CA https://www.fastcompany.com/90749582/big-isps-finally-gave-up-on-blocking-californias-landmark-network-neutrality-law Source: fastcompany
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[21:11]	schestowitz	Liverpool
[21:11]	schestowitz	
[21:11]	schestowitz	Tottenham Hotspur
[21:11]	schestowitz	1
[21:11]	schestowitz	:-D
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[21:11]	TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
[21:13]	TR News	25+ Vulnerable websites to practice your ethical hacking skills https://thecyphere.com/blog/vulnerable-websites/
[21:13]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://thecyphere.com/blog/vulnerable-websites/ )
[21:15]	TR News	Mislseading. Android does not have just one OEM or a monopoly. https://www.thurrott.com/hardware/266633/apple-leads-worldwide-pc-and-tablet-shipments-in-q1-2022
[21:15]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/hardware/266633/apple-leads-worldwide-pc-and-tablet-shipments-in-q1-2022 )
[21:15]	TR News	Microsoft can coexist with Apple but not with GNU/Linux. There are several reasons for this. WSL has failed, for 5 years, to "swallow" the threat.
[21:16]	TR News	Indigenous language key piece in provinces education overhaul https://www.wellandtribune.ca/ts/news/canada/2022/05/04/indigenous-language-key-piece-in-provinces-education-overhaul.html
[21:16]	TR Bot	language key piece in provinces education overhaul | wellandtribune.ca
[21:17]	TR News	"Australian researchers are developing a 3D printed bracelet to allow people living with hand-impairment to easily use computers and play video games." https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/unpublished/sensor-bracelet-designed-to-give-back-control-to-hand-impaired.html
[21:17]	TR Bot	 Sensor bracelet designed to give back control to hand-impaired - The University of Sydney
[21:18]	TR News	VESA https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vesa-launches-industrys-first-open-standard-and-logo-program-for-pc-monitor-and-laptop-display-variable-refresh-rate-performance-for-gaming-and-media-playback-301536830.html
[21:18]	TR Bot	 VESA Launches Industry's First Open Standard and Logo Program for PC Monitor and Laptop Display Variable Refresh Rate Performance for Gaming and Media Playback
[21:18]	TR News	Making security a gender issue? https://www.wfmz.com/news/pr_newswire/pr_newswire_technology/women-in-cybersecurity-wicys-looking-for-pilot-program-proposals-from-community-colleges-for-cyber-fasttrack/article_65f52a4d-54d1-5cac-b539-a4e17ef05c34.html
[21:18]	TR Bot	in CyberSecurity (WiCyS) looking for pilot program proposals from community colleges for Cyber FastTrack | News | wfmz.com
[21:19]	TR News	Proprietary https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/05/03/2434468/0/en/CloudCasa-by-Catalogic-to-Feature-Cyber-Resilient-Kubernetes-Backups-at-KubeCon-CloudNativeCon-Europe-2022.html
[21:19]	TR Bot	 CloudCasa by Catalogic to Feature Cyber-Resilient
[21:21]	TR News	This means more surveillance and likely LESS security too. It's about MORE control... by Microsoft https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/github-open-source-software-security
[21:21]	TR Bot	aims to boost the security of open source software - Protocol
[21:26]	TR News	"industrys highest quality RISC-V processor IP." [sic] https://www.design-reuse.com/news/51862/codasip-siemens-onespin-formal-verification.html
[21:26]	TR Bot	 Codasip adopts Siemens' OneSpin tools for formal verification
[21:27]	TR News	They hare women who seek abortion. So why not shun those who are pregnant too? https://uk.style.yahoo.com/katrina-scott-pregnant-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-175719435.html
[21:27]	TR Bot	 Katrina Scott makes history as the 1st visibly pregnant woman in Sports Illustrated Swimsuit'
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[21:29]	TR News	Zero-day bug in uClibc library could leave IoT devices http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164482#comment-33574
[21:29]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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[21:35]	TR News	Rock Pi 4 Model C+ is more of a minus (less powerful than the Model C, but also cheaper) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164585
[21:35]	TR Bot	 Rock Pi 4 Model C+ is more of a minus (less powerful than the Model C, but also cheaper) | Tux Machines
[21:35]	TR News	Panasas Debuts New Products, Continues Software Focus https://www.enterpriseai.news/2022/05/05/panasas-debuts-new-products-continues-software-focus/ Source: enterpriseai
[21:35]	TR Bot	 Panasas Debuts New Products, Continues Software Focus
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[21:40]	TR News	Leader adds PBX hardware vendor Call4tel Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164586 Debian preloaded
[21:40]	TR Bot	 Leader adds PBX hardware vendor Call4tel | Tux Machines
[21:40]	TR News	Software Heritage: the software Library of Alexandria - Hello Future Orange https://hellofuture.orange.com/en/software-heritage-the-software-library-of-alexandria/ Source: hellofuture
[21:40]	TR Bot	 Software Heritage: the software Library of Alexandria - Hello Future Orange
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[21:55]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22042914
[21:55]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/169t236xxqv81.jpg created on 2022-04-29 03:50:22.972477
[21:56]	TR News	"Gov. Greg Gianfortes signature pledge to bring home Montanas kids and grandkids, now backed by a $700,000 marketing campaign, has run headlong into angst over Montanas crazy real estate market." https://montanafreepress.org/2022/05/06/come-home-montana-reception-mixed/
[21:56]	TR Bot	 Come Home Montana recruitment campaign draws mixed reception
● May 07
[22:02]	TR News	#HowTo continue the growth of open source in the UK Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164587
[22:02]	TR Bot	 How to continue the growth of open source in the UK | Tux Machines
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[22:11]	TR News	"The code is terrible but I figured I might as well share it. Currently, it has all the features I need. Only thing really missing is client authentication and private directories." gemini://80h.dev/glog/2020-04-28.gemini
[22:12]	TR News	"sr.ht is pretty cool, no need for annoying pull requests or js" gemini://80h.dev/glog/2020-05-13.gemini
[22:14]	TR News	"From what I've read I'll basically stare at a computer screen all day unless I'm stuck in the field." gemini://80h.dev/~int/glog/2020-10-03-Army-What.gemini
[22:15]	TR News	"Earlier this year, my surname appeared on a list at Pontins holiday parks. Published by a whistleblower, the list instructed staff to refuse bookings under my surname (among others) in an attempt to blacklist Gypsy and Traveller families from the site." gemini://caolan.uk/desk/2021-07-08_undesirable_guests.gmi
[22:16]	TR News	Abandoning Microsoft. "Performance has degraded of late though, and I can't help shake the feeling that investing time in a commercial, MS product is a great idea." gemini://envs.net/~lrb/gemlog/2020-09-19-switching-to-emacs.gmi
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[22:17]	TR News	"On a private forum today, one of my oldest friends, who is, regrettably, a centrist Democrat, posted a note asking those of us who are critical of Joe Biden to put up or shut up to tell him what we would have progressives do next, or get the fuck off the forum." gemini://carcosa.net/send-the-nukes/2020-11-03-whatistobedone.gmi
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[22:19]	TR News	Threat Actor Increases Dwell Time By Targeting Opaque Devices | Decipher https://duo.com/decipher/threat-actor-increases-dwell-time-by-targeting-opaque-devices Source: duo
[22:19]	TR Bot	 Threat Actor Increases Dwell Time By Targeting Opaque Devices | Decipher
[22:19]	TR News	But clown computing is the opposite of security. It is a data breach, technically speaking. https://thenewstack.io/understand-the-3-ps-of-cloud-native-security/
[22:19]	TR Bot	 Understand the 3 Ps of Cloud Native Security The New Stack
[22:20]	TR News	Now the cranks and charlatans of "web3" (not w3c, the corporate hive) have a "foundation" https://www.securities.io/web3-foundation-partners-with-polkadot-parachain-auction-winners-for-ledger-integration/
[22:20]	TR Bot	reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.securities.io/web3-foundation-partners-with-polkadot-parachain-auction-winners-for-ledger-integration/ )
[22:21]	TR News	"Governments Clown Journeys" :-) https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220504005055/en/SecurID-Receives-FedRAMP-Moderate-Authorization
[22:21]	TR Bot	 SecurID Receives FedRAMP Moderate Authorization | Business Wire
[22:22]	activelow	session timeout and screen-locker hacked into abduco terminal session handler... done.
[22:23]	TR News	Maybe stop outsourcing and choosing proprietary stuff, for starters... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/etr-technology-survey-cites-cybersecurity-125000016.html
[22:23]	TR Bot	to connect to 2001:4998:18:800::4002: Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://finance.yahoo.com/news/etr-technology-survey-cites-cybersecurity-125000016.html )
[22:23]	activelow	another one on todo... limit maximum attached clients to exactly one only; which abduco doesn't as tmux implements it
[22:24]	TR News	This is a proprietary software problem, too https://warontherocks.com/2022/05/dependency-issues-solving-the-worlds-open-source-software-security-problem/ see http://techrights.org/2022/01/14/white-house-security-theatre/
[22:24]	TR Bot	 Dependency Issues: Solving the Worlds Open-Source Software Security Problem - War on the Rocks
[22:24]	TR Bot	 White House Asking Proprietary Software Companies That Add NSA Back Doors About Their Views on Open Source Security | Techrights
[22:25]	TR News	"WMIEXEC tool, which employs Windows Management Instrumentation to create a semi-interactive shell." https://www.securityweek.com/cyberespionage-group-targeting-ma-corporate-transactions-personnel
[22:25]	TR Bot	Group Targeting M&A, Corporate Transactions Personnel | SecurityWeek.Com
[22:26]	TR News	Should be FTC, not FCC https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10775891/FCC-says-does-not-right-interfere-Elon-Musks-44-billion-Twitter-takeover.html
[22:26]	TR Bot	 FCC says it does not have the right to interfere in Elon Musk's $44 billion Twitter takeover | Daily Mail Online
[22:30]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22050754
[22:30]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/nn2w2ba9jux81.jpg created on 2022-05-07 21:47:05.892320
[22:36]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164588
[22:36]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:37]	TR News	Speculation scheme? No thanks... https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/wikimedia-foundation-confirms-that-it-will-no-longer-accept-crypto-donations-080029446.html
[22:37]	TR Bot	 The Wikimedia Foundation won't accept crypto donations anymore
[22:38]	TR News	Surveillance jobs https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-ai-skills-that-will-get-you-a-job-in-faang-companies-in-2022/
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[22:43]	TR News	They have managed to skip GNU like it never existed and does not exist https://www.itweb.co.za/content/P3gQ2qGAY8O7nRD1
[22:43]	TR Bot	 Open source the gift that keeps on giving | ITWeb
[22:44]	TR News	Charlatan and fraud Craig Wright is using the term "Open Source" to promote his lies https://coingeek.com/open-source-and-liability/
[22:44]	TR Bot	source and liability - CoinGeek
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[22:45]	TR News	"FreeBSD supports both 32- and 64-bit platforms, providing scalable implementation from ARM CPUs up to powerful Xeon CPUs. It has a small footprint, taking up less than 300MB of RAM." https://drivesncontrols.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/7019/Open-source_OS_is_a_low-cost_alternative_to_Windows_for_IPCs.html
[22:45]	TR Bot	 Open-source OS is a low-cost alternative to Windows for IPCs - Drives and Controls Magazine
[22:46]	TR News	Because now only humans dies of cancer https://finance.yahoo.com/news/petco-love-announces-1-million-121200962.html
[22:46]	TR Bot	 Petco Love Announces $1 Million in New Investments to Fight Pet Cancer
[22:47]	TR News	Purdue, Ivy Tech partner on next-generation microelectronics workforce - Purdue University News https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2022/Q2/purdue,-ivy-tech-partner-on-next-generation-microelectronics-workforce.html Source: purdue
[22:47]	TR Bot	 Purdue, Ivy Tech partner on next-generation microelectronics workforce - Purdue University News
[22:47]	TR News	oreilly promoting buzzwords like HEY HI and SCAM like Web3 https://www.oreilly.com/radar/radar-trends-to-watch-may-2022/
[22:47]	TR Bot	 Radar trends to watch: May 2022 OReilly
[22:48]	TR News	Linux, but also DRM and surveillance https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/roku-streaming-stick-4k
[22:49]	TR Bot	 Roku Streaming Stick 4K review: Plug it in
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[22:50]	TR News	But do these tablets run Free software or just spyware controlled by another nation? https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/tablets-distributed-among-750-govt-school-students-in-panchkula-101651781584393.html
[22:50]	TR Bot	 Tablets distributed among 750 govt school students in Panchkula - Hindustan Times
[22:54]	TR News	On Android, this would be a risk if you run malicious "apps" that want root; or if you update these to inherit new and malicious behaviour https://thehackernews.com/2022/05/google-releases-android-update-to-patch.html
[22:54]	TR Bot	 Google Releases Android Update to Patch Actively Exploited Vulnerability
[22:55]	TR News	Nasdaq calls a bubble (fake valuation, fraudulent market) a "bargain" to entice people who have REAL savings to join Wall Street's pyramid scheme with REAL money, not worthless stocks https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/bargain-shopping-3-strong-buy-stocks-that-are-flirting-with-a-bottom
[22:56]	TR News	Buzzwords in banks https://thefinancialbrand.com/141233/artificial-intelligence-in-banking-top-priorities-for-2022-and-beyond/
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[22:56]	TR News	How sleep-deprived see and evaluate others' faces | NSS https://www.dovepress.com/how-sleep-deprived-people-see-and-evaluate-others-faces-an-experimenta-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-NSS Source: dovepress
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[22:57]	TR News	EU accuses Apple of violating competition laws - Protocol https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/eu-apple-pay-wallet-competition "The European Commission sent Apple a "preliminary view" that the company is violating competition laws."
[22:57]	TR Bot	accuses Apple of violating competition laws - Protocol
[22:58]	TR News	Wanna work in Gulag? No your probably do NOT. https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/google-fires-ai-researcher "after he questioned the validity of a recent paper."
[22:58]	TR Bot	fired AI researcher Satrajit Chatterjee - Protocol
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[23:00]	TR News	Before Gulag turned pure evil it had tried to recruit me, not once but about three times. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2006/08/11/interview-with-google/
[23:00]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Second Interview with Google
[23:01]	TR News	Seems like far too much complexity and gimmicks. What happens if/when this company goes under? https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/software/nutanix-aos-storage-review/
[23:01]	TR Bot	 Nutanix: AOS Storage Review | Enterprise Storage Forum
[23:02]	TR News	Clown computing isn't a feature but marketing. Like "bubbly personality"...
[23:03]	TR News	Science curtailed by business models https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/technology/tech-companies-business-plans.html
[23:03]	TR Bot	 Good Products and Bad Businesses - The New York Times
[23:04]	TR News	Salesforce-owned 'paper' forgot Microsoft? https://www.newsweek.com/2022/05/13/facebook-google-face-regulatory-reckoning-that-may-end-big-tech-dominance-1703179.html
[23:04]	TR Bot	 Facebook, Google Face Regulatory Reckoning That May End Big Tech Dominance
[23:05]	TR News	More buzzwords = more diploma mills. "FinOps certification" https://www.techtarget.com/searchcloudcomputing/feature/Explore-options-for-FinOps-certifications-and-training
[23:05]	TR Bot	 Explore options for FinOps certifications and training
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[23:07]	TR News	This might be a plagiarism site, but it's funny nonetheless https://nairametrics.com/2022/05/06/microsoft-advises-users-to-uninstall-windows-11-update/
[23:07]	TR Bot	advises users to uninstall Windows 11 update - Nairametrics
[23:08]	matey	psydruid another ancient timesharing os: TSO? for the ibm 360 (old 1960s mainframe)
[23:08]	TR News	Larry Ellison, Saudi Regime, Musk... promoted here in the Bezos Post. The plutocrats take direct control of the communications of so many people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/05/05/musk-twitter-financing-ellison/
[23:08]	TR Bot	 Musk lines up more than $7 billion in investor financing for Twitter deal - The Washington Post
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[23:09]	matey	general (ive posted this before) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UYb6WqWBTE0
[23:09]	TR Bot	 Mark Allen - Before Unix: An Early History of Timesharing Systems - Invidious
[23:10]	TR News	Open-source with dash typically means it is fake https://venturebeat.com/2022/05/05/meet-logseq-an-open-source-knowledge-management-system-that-stores-data-like-a-brain/
[23:10]	TR Bot	Logseq, an open-source knowledge management system that 'stores data like a brain' | VentureBeat
[23:10]	psydruid	matey, it's good to know about it
[23:10]	matey	360: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=npgvV_-Nh60 (probably has nothing about tso because it wasnt only a timesharing system, it also did batch processing)
[23:10]	TR Bot	 COMPUTER HISTORY: REMEMBERING THE IBM SYSTEM/360 MAINFRAME, its Origin and Technology (IRS, NASA) - Invidious
[23:11]	matey	no idea what this is but im going to watch anyway https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OWwzQyXAvXI
[23:11]	TR Bot	 One of the Biggest Frauds in Tech History - The Miniscribe Brick Fiasco - Invidious
[23:11]	TR News	Windows EXperiment https://gizmodo.com/windows-11-update-causing-apps-to-crash-how-to-uninstal-1848884560
[23:11]	TR Bot	 Windows 11 Update Causing Apps to CrashHow to Uninstall
[23:12]	matey	and its hard to find stuff on 1960s tso because they still use that acronym related somehow to z/os (modern) and maybe ariadne knows more about it
[23:12]	TR News	"In the United States (US), two key antitrust laws are in placei.e., the Sherman Act and the Clayton Actto curb anti-competitive activities." https://www.orfonline.org/research/competition-law-in-the-digital-space/
[23:12]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.orfonline.org/research/competition-law-in-the-digital-space/ )
[23:12]	matey	but would probably just laugh since she has better software to run on one (and better mainframes, and shes not into that level of retrocomputing afaik)
[23:13]	matey	i have no personal interest in running a mainframe obviously, im interested in old timesharing systems
[23:13]	matey	at least knowing bits and bobs about them
[23:13]	DaemonFC	Oh this is great. Acording to GEICO's app I drove through several fields, a retention pond, and some buildings.
[23:13]	TR News	Taking back control: new 3D printed bracelet empowers the hand-impaired to play video games - 3D Printing Industry https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/taking-back-control-new-3d-printed-bracelet-empowers-the-hand-impaired-to-play-video-games-208904/ Source: 3dprintingindustry
[23:13]	TR Bot	 Taking back control: new 3D printed bracelet empowers the hand-impaired to play video games - 3D Printing Industry
[23:13]	matey	hooray for gps and insurance companies
[23:13]	matey	on the plus side you can get a telsa and make up the difference in insurance premiums :)
[23:14]	TR News	LOLOLOLOLO!!! "Web3... GAMING" https://news.bitcoin.com/mexc-global-officially-lists-leader-in-web-3%E2%80%A40-gaming-unix-gaming/ does it also do smart HEY HI stuff on the clown?
[23:14]	TR Bot	 MEXC Global Officially Lists Leader in Web 30 Gaming - UniX Gaming! Press release Bitcoin News
[23:14]	matey	(a telsa i guess, is a cheap knockoff version of a tesla, and it comes with a free bolex watch)
[23:14]	TR News	Meet the real new bosses of Twitter https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2022/05/05/elon-musk-gets-help-from-techies-saudi-prince-and-crypto-king-in-bid-to-own-twitter/
[23:14]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk gets help from techies, Saudi prince and crypto king in bid to own Twitter
[23:14]	psydruid	mainframe architecture may be interesting, but I don't have much interest in IBM's implementation either
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[23:14]	bnchs	https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2022/05/05/elon-musk-gets-help-from-techies-saudi-prince-and-crypto-king-in-bid-to-own-twitter/
[23:14]	matey	im only interested in the comparisons
[23:14]		-bnchsbot/#techrights-www.adn.com | Elon Musk gets help from techies, Saudi prince and crypto king in bid to own Twitter
[23:15]	matey	i dont want to convert to scientology either, but its interesting to compare it to other cults
[23:15]	TR News	"Why cite the Reporters Without Borders report on the lack of press freedom in India when your humourists are being targeted?" https://www.freepressjournal.in/analysis/india-isnt-a-safe-place-for-comedians-either-writes-anil-singh
[23:15]	TR Bot	 India isn't a safe place for comedians either, writes Anil Singh
[23:15]		-bnchsbot/#techrights-www.freepressjournal.in [cloudflare] | India isn't a safe place for comedians either, writes Anil Singh
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[23:16]	TR News	Microsoft booster on ICBM BLUE POWER https://www.networkworld.com/article/3660050/ibm-announces-first-major-update-to-power9-servers-in-three-years.html
[23:16]	TR Bot	 IBM announces first major update to Power9 servers in three years | Network World
[23:17]	psydruid	OpenWalletPOWER
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[23:17]	bnchs	https://www.freepressjournal.in/analysis/india-isnt-a-safe-place-for-comedians-either-writes-anil-singh
[23:17]		-bnchsbot/#techrights-www.freepressjournal.in [cloudflare] | India isn't a safe place for comedians either, writes Anil Singh
[23:18]	TR News	"Computer scientists Alfred Aho and Toniann Pitassi, mathematician Michael Harris, and sociologist Mario Small join this years class of new members." https://news.columbia.edu/news/four-columbians-elected-national-academy-sciences
[23:18]		-bnchsbot/#techrights-news.columbia.edu [cloudflare] | Four Columbians Elected to the National Academy of Sciences | Columbia News
[23:18]	TR Bot	 Four Columbians Elected to the National Academy of Sciences | Columbia News
[23:19]	TR News	LOL. Total crock: "Web2 & Web3" https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/05/03/2434094/0/en/Delysium-kicks-off-the-largest-ever-Pre-Alpha-Test-involving-professional-gamers-from-both-Web2-Web3.html
[23:19]	TR Bot	 Delysium kicks off the largest-ever Pre-Alpha Test
[23:19]		-bnchsbot/#techrights-www.globenewswire.com | Delysium kicks off the largest-ever Pre-Alpha Test
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[23:19]	bnchs	took the bot for a test drive a bit
[23:19]	bnchs	i hope you guys didn't mind
[23:19]	psydruid	no, it's great
[23:20]	psydruid	I hope the driver survives the test drive, though
[23:20]	TR News	IBM-sponsored writer Timothy Prickett Morgan composes some word salad about "Hey Hi https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/04/28/the-hyperscalers-point-the-way-to-integrated-ai-stacks/
[23:20]	TR Bot	 The Hyperscalers Point The Way To Integrated AI Stacks
[23:20]	bnchs	i did a CTRL-C :)
[23:20]	psydruid	we can't have more of those Tesla incidents
[23:21]	matey	Where was the need to rely on the global index published by the Paris-based Reporters Without Borders when hundreds of your own brethren are being locked up under trumped-up charges ranging from sedition to spreading infectious diseases? And, why look at journalists when humourists are being targeted. Vir Das, Munawar Faruqui, Kunal Kamra, Shyam Rangeela the list of comics in trouble for speaking about the emperors wardrobe malfunction is growing 
[23:22]	TR News	"debate DevOps versus MLOps"... don't forget SmartOps and Web3Ops... https://www.madrona.com/founded-and-funded-ia40-hugging-face-clem-delangue-octoml-luis-ceze-foundation-models-open-source-bias-detection/
[23:22]	TR Bot	and Funded IA40 Winner Spotlight: Hugging Face CEO Clem Delangue and OctoML CEO Luis Ceze on foundation models, open source, and transparency - Madrona Venture Group
[23:22]	matey	sooner or later people are going to figure out that no emperor has ever worn clothes
[23:23]	matey	and the whole thing is a complete farce
[23:23]	matey	Faruqui, in fact, said nothing. He was arrested before he could even crack a joke. Thought police? The stand-up comedian was released from captivity after two months when the police could no longer justify his arrest for hurting religious sentiments.
[23:23]	matey	i hope he was banned from lieplanet too. they love this sort of thing.
[23:24]	matey	the very idea of them talking about freedom, when they present this sort of petty autocracy as "freedom" it should make people vomit.
[23:24]	schestowitz-TR	OpenWallet.BuyPower();
[23:24]	matey	comparisons aside, im equally interested in the actual story here
[23:24]	schestowitz-TR	"IBM, can we speak of black power?"
[23:24]	schestowitz-TR	IBM: It's POWER! All CAPS!!!!
[23:24]	matey	i cared about comedy before i cared about free software
[23:25]	matey	ALL CAPS TO THE MONOPOLIES
[23:25]	schestowitz-TR	"OK, OK... no need toi get all grammar nazi about it..."
[23:25]	matey	FORWARD, TO INCORPORATION
[23:25]	bnchs	it's called OpenWallet
[23:25]	bnchs	open your fucking wallets bitch
[23:26]	matey	godwins second law was that the more english majors are present, the faster godwins first law gets cited
[23:26]	matey	after that, he was tragically killed by ACTUAL NAZIS
[23:26]	TR News	Wine 7.8 is out now with X11 and OSS drivers... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164573#comment-33579
[23:26]	TR Bot	 Wine development release 7.8 is now available. | Tux Machines
[23:27]	matey	With this kind of notoriety, the Bengaluru police did not allow Faruqui to hold shows for fear of right-wing violence. For good measure, they kept out Kamra too; perhaps they feared a laugh riot.
[23:27]	matey	 :) laugh rioting is a federal offence
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[23:27]	matey	Another stand-up, Vir Das had FIRs registered against him across the country for a six-minute monologue on the contradictions in India.
[23:27]	matey	he was kept in solitary confinement and fed only BITCH LASAGNA for weeks
[23:28]	bnchs	virfield
[23:28]	TR News	foss vanitasvitae's blog: Europe Trip Journal Entry 5: Bonsoir https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/05/07/europe-trip-journal-entry-5-working-title/
[23:28]	TR Bot	 Europe Trip Journal Entry 5: Bonsoir vanitasvitae's blog
[23:28]	matey	What is the need to harp on the findings of a foreign agency when Indian journalists like Aakar Patel and Rana Ayyub have look-out notices for them at airports while big-time economic offenders such as Vijay Mallya and Nirav Modi fly out with 80 suitcases?
[23:29]	matey	"We are a nation that sends gangsters to Parliament and gagsters to prison."
[23:30]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164589
[23:30]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[23:30]	TR News	"It's finally happening, I'm finally moving out of my current place and into a place with one of my good mates, here I'll have so much more space but right now nothing is finished. My room/studio isn't finished is neither is most of the house but it will be soon enough." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IhHo6ExDgKE
[23:30]	TR Bot	 Welcome To My New House & Studio Planning - Invidious
[23:31]	matey	stalin couldnt take a joke either
[23:31]	matey	too many of those in office now
[23:31]	matey	like the world is being taunted
[23:31]	bnchs	matey: whats the difference of that and modern social media
[23:31]	bnchs	stalin and modern social media*
[23:31]	bnchs	they can't take a joke
[23:32]	matey	its the same mindset, different applications
[23:32]	matey	stalin was (probabl) killed by his own people
[23:32]	matey	it was fair, it was self-defence
[23:32]	matey	they should have done it sooner
[23:33]	matey	people become insane with power, they see only enemies in their closest allies
[23:33]	matey	they try to destroy everyone, but sooner or later enough people are pissed off about it
[23:33]	matey	that they retaliate-- and then its done
[23:33]	matey	until people forget enough history to let it happen all over again
[23:34]	matey	history is one of the ultimately defensive weapons
[23:34]	matey	thats why so many bastards try to rewrite it
[23:34]	matey	ultimate s/ly//
[23:35]	matey	heres my favourite line of the article
[23:35]	matey	If our mainstream press was not playing a both-sides game to appear objective, it would rebut the governments claim with facts and figures.
[23:35]	matey	hmm :)
[23:35]	matey	i REALLY like that line
[23:35]	matey	im completely in love with that line
[23:35]	bnchs	why don't you marry it
[23:36]	matey	i was considering it, but honestly i have a better prospect than even that 
[23:36]	bnchs	don't worry i'll won't judge :3
[23:36]	matey	oh im not against it
[23:36]	matey	but with todays copyright laws i doubt i could even get a marriage license
[23:37]	TR News	"I've always argued that the standard command line installation of Arch Linux is easy and anyone can do it (seriously!). But many people fear command line installations, so Arch Linux now comes with a guided menu-based install script that is as easy-to-use as the Ubiquity installer or the Calamares installer." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=leQbSsu-7F4
[23:37]	TR Bot	 Install Arch Linux The Easy Way With The Official Install Script - Invidious
[23:37]	bnchs	the same official install script
[23:37]	bnchs	that has systemd-bootctl as a choice of bootloader
[23:37]	bnchs	eugghhhhh
[23:37]	matey	/me prefers systemd-bootsycollins
[23:38]	bnchs	i'll poison poettering's drinks with ibuprofen
[23:38]	matey	/me tries to make bootsy glasses with ascii but it looks too much like something else
[23:39]	matey	no just make a laser move up a table towards him
[23:39]	matey	and to deactivate it has to shut down a distro running systemd properly
[23:40]	bnchs	matey: oh god
[23:41]	bnchs	KADUITD 
[23:41]	bnchs	CALLBACKS SURPRESSED
[23:42]	matey	honestly, if i could go back in time and prevent systemd from being released into the world, i wouldnt
[23:43]	matey	but-- i WOULD change the pisspoor responses to it instead
[23:43]	TR News	Published deb-get utility, offering apt-get-like functionality for third-party packages http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164481#comment-33580
[23:43]	TR Bot	 Deb-Get is Apt-Get for 3rd-Party Ubuntu Software | Tux Machines
[23:43]	matey	that part i would fix
[23:44]	bnchs	"systemd-homed is not available"
[23:44]	bnchs	AAAAAAAAAAA
[23:44]	bnchs	OH MY FUCkING GOODDDD
[23:45]	TR News	Audiocasts/Shows: Arch Linux, House Move, Steam Deck, and Ubuntu 22.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164590
[23:45]	TR Bot	 Audiocasts/Shows: Arch Linux, House Move, Steam Deck, and Ubuntu 22.04 | Tux Machines
[23:45]	matey	systemd-omfgd
[23:45]	TR News	SparkyLinux 6.3 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164591
[23:45]	TR Bot	 SparkyLinux 6.3 | Tux Machines
[23:45]	TR News	The OSes are proprietary, this is just Apple taking code of others https://linuxstoney.com/apple-has-published-the-code-for-the-kernel-and-system-components-of-macos-12-3/
[23:45]	TR Bot	has published the code for the kernel and system components of macOS 12.3 - LinuxStoney
[23:46]	matey	ibmd-takeoverd
[23:46]	TR News	"Please reach out to us on our discord"?????? https://medevel.com/ustaxes/
[23:46]	TR Bot	 UsTaxes is an open-source free tax filing app for USA
[23:46]	matey	movezig-takeoffeveryzigd
[23:47]	matey	gentoo you have no chance to survive, make your time
[23:47]	schestowitz-TR	removing systemd is a HATE CRIME
[23:47]	matey	against josh simmons, personally
[23:47]	matey	if you dont like josh simmons, you hate gay people
[23:47]	bnchs	i'm gonna switch to openrc
[23:47]	schestowitz-TR	no
[23:47]	psydruid	vendors of closed source software want you to run it on closed source operating systems
[23:47]	schestowitz-TR	you got it WRONG
[23:47]	psydruid	news at 11
[23:47]	schestowitz-TR	if you don;t like OSI
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	i.e. large corporation
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	then you hold homophobic views
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[23:48]	matey	i didnt know osi was gay
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	I didn't even know simmons was
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	it was a straw man
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[23:48]	matey	i mean, it was started by bruce perens and eric-- OH...
[23:48]	matey	no one ever told me
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	rianne saw a video olf phipps yesterday
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	said he looked like a trans woman
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	I could not disagree
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	in fact I thought the same just minutes before she said it
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	but phipps is OK
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	relativbely speaking
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	compared to the people who took over OSI
[23:50]		*psydruid makes jokes about gene simmons because he doesn't know who josh simmons is, so he imagines him to be some kind of rockstar too
[23:50]	matey	i dont think phipps "looks trans"
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[23:50]	matey	i think he has a shitty haircut though
[23:50]	schestowitz-TR	we saw a recent video
[23:50]	schestowitz-TR	he had gained some weight
[23:51]	matey	gene simmons and josh simmons are both narcissistic fuckwits obsessed with money and intellectual property
[23:51]	matey	only one worked for osi and the other was in a (relatively) cool rock band
[23:51]	schestowitz-TR	wait, gene simmons sued?
[23:51]	matey	i dont hate the band, i just dont like simmons
[23:51]	matey	i dont know if he sued anyone, i know that hes on the shill side of the industry
[23:51]	matey	and the band is alright. 
[23:52]	matey	and as a performer, simmons is okay, i simply dont like him much as a person
[23:52]	matey	hes very much the "business sense" of k.i.s.s.
[23:52]	matey	and by business i mean industry
[23:53]	matey	as in the one that fucks over artists for profit
[23:53]	matey	but some win the industry lottery, so to speak
[23:53]	matey	the record industry and software industry play pretty much by the same rules
[23:54]	matey	the head of the riaa could have come out and said ARTISTS! ARTISTS! ARTISTS! ARTISTS! 
[23:54]	matey	ARTISTS! ARTISTS! ARTISTS! ARTISTS! 
[23:54]	matey	its the same scam
[23:54]		*psydruid barely even knows the band
[23:54]	matey	they dont give a shit about artists, and microsoft doesnt give a shit about developers
[23:54]	matey	rather they pit artists against fans for their own purposes
[23:55]	matey	and microsoft pits developers against users
[23:55]	matey	not because it cares 
[23:55]	matey	its all about their business (exploitation) model
[23:55]	psydruid	until users become developers too
[23:55]	matey	well by that time, theyre supposed to work against users
[23:55]	psydruid	they're just different hats people wear
[23:55]	psydruid	yes
[23:55]	matey	thats what developers do (in microsoft land)
[23:55]	schestowitz-TR	how about richard simmons?
[23:55]	matey	its a dichotomy for sure
[23:56]	matey	richard simmons got too old to sweat to the oldies anymore
[23:56]	matey	i think hes a lovely person
[23:56]	matey	osi would have been much cooler (and more gay) with him at the helm than josh simmons
[23:56]	psydruid	"I was once in the user camp, but I switched allegiance to the developer camp"
[23:56]	matey	i dont think he ever came out of the closet by the way
[23:57]	matey	instead he just spent his entire career trolling people about it
[23:57]	matey	i think hes probably as gay as liberace. but if he deosnt want to come out, and prefers to have everything but one toe out of the closet for decaes
[23:57]	matey	i mean its his right tbh
[23:57]	bnchs	if i had a time machine
[23:57]	bnchs	i would have taken away poettering's internet
[23:58]	psydruid	an open letter to users becoming developers
[23:58]	psydruid	someone enabled poettering
[23:58]	matey	red hat
[23:58]	matey	now ibm
[23:58]	psydruid	he couldn't have done this in isolation
[23:58]	matey	and i want to say novell
[23:58]	matey	funnily enuoguh
[23:59]	psydruid	else we would be saying "poettering, qui est-ce que c'est"
[23:59]	matey	there might be crossed wires here, but i swear that somehow, gkh is involved
[23:59]	psydruid	and sending a psycho killer after him