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DaemonFC[m]Dunno. Saw it on Facebook.Jun 07 00:00
DaemonFC[m]Mandy uses closed captioning because it's easier to read English I guess?Jun 07 00:00
DaemonFC[m]I see a lot of mistakes.Jun 07 00:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PCI Changes and SMB3 Updates in Linux 5.8 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138275#comment-25395 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8912fbf4-eee5-4266-bf0b-5372dca6ee87]Jun 07 00:10
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138476 [https://pleroma.site/objects/56c396d7-55f2-4ea3-b496-aa10c4ba1072]Jun 07 04:52
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schestowitzzoobab: pingJun 07 07:33
schestowitztwo thingsJun 07 07:33
schestowitz1) twitter is broken to meJun 07 07:33
schestowitzso make substitutesJun 07 07:33
schestowitz2) what's that pieter quote about making new groups?Jun 07 07:33
scientesJesus said that you should throw your right arm in the fire if it holds you back, but overwhelmingly I fine that humans would rather live with a massive cancer than accept that they have cancer.Jun 07 08:14
scientes*findJun 07 08:14
scientespeople *REALLY* do not like to admit that they were wrong about anythingJun 07 08:14
scientesbro-grammersJun 07 08:15
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scientesand a tiny bit of "you are wrong" will usually sour someone so they just turn off and dismiss youJun 07 08:16
scientesand can't consider your opinionJun 07 08:16
scientesthe funniest thing is when the current being shit is reason enough to dismiss somethingJun 07 08:19
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scienteslike here https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/2097Jun 07 08:20
scienteswhere the designer of the language is so in love with the syntax that he loses sight of what the computer is doingJun 07 08:20
kingoffranceyes, i dont like brogrammers eitherJun 07 08:21
kingoffranceits all crazy to meJun 07 08:22
scientesthe worst problem is something that is just incapable of admitting they are wrong about somethingJun 07 08:22
kingoffrancethey might think it is "christian" it makes me think they are a masonJun 07 08:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Exciting Features Coming up in KDE Plasma 5.20 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138477 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b54b97e1-44f1-48ed-a66f-0378101efbce]Jun 07 08:37
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kingoffrancei cant argue that link scientes because i refuse to accept byte == 8 bits;   that to me is an octet,    i write c because some day yes, i may want to port to 24-bit dsp or   ancient mainframe in an emulator :)        so i will agree with whatever you feel is properJun 07 09:03
kingoffrancei have to excuse myself from any such discussion where byte == 8 bitsJun 07 09:03
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scienteskingoffrance, I actually proposed to remove the concept of bytesJun 07 09:34
scientesso don't get so worked upJun 07 09:34
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oiaohmkingoffrance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte   Byte term is the older one comes into existence in 1956      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octet_(computing) Octet comes from the term Octade what somewhere in the 1960s at earliest.   So like it or not we named the thing twice.Jun 07 10:21
oiaohmkingoffrance: Some languages have a preference to Octet/Octade over byte because of ability to say it basically I bet it because you speak french.    Because the languages dominate in use of Octet/Octade is French and Romanian.   Byte is dominate it most other spoken languages.Jun 07 10:24
oiaohmkingoffrance: Your issue with byte/Octet is like the problem I have with medical grade Paraffin Oil/ Mineral oil that you need for wood treatment.    Because I am in Australia its Paraffin Oil yet a lot guides on wood work is produced in the USA and there is called Mineral Oil.  Yes they are absolutely the same thing.Jun 07 10:31
oiaohmHumans have horrible named things multi times.Jun 07 10:31
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XRevan86oiaohm: You're missing the point completely.Jun 07 12:35
XRevan86oiaohm: It's not about linguistic preference, it's about bytes not necessarily being 8 bit long.Jun 07 12:35
XRevan86Octets, however, are literally 8 bits long.Jun 07 12:36
XRevan86https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/types C++ introduced a new type – char8_t specifically for UTF-8 strings.Jun 07 12:39
XRevan86Which isn't affected by CHAR_BITS as it's main difference from charJun 07 12:41
XRevan86* itsJun 07 12:41
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/k68hO38.jpgJun 07 12:41
XRevan86scientes: The thread is so strange.Jun 07 12:49
XRevan86scientes: Are they actually trying to use UTF-8 representations of Unicode for character codepoints?Jun 07 12:50
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psydroidI had heard of Chinese programming languages before, but I came across this a few hours agoJun 07 13:05
psydroidhttps://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/software/classical-chineseJun 07 13:05
XRevan86psydroid: Is that stupid or brilliant?Jun 07 13:07
psydroidXRevant86, I would say it isn't either, but it may make most sense to a Chinese personJun 07 13:08
scientesXRevan86, no, that was my suggestionJun 07 13:08
scientesXRevan86, the problem is the latin-1 pageJun 07 13:08
scienteswhich is code-points 0x80-0xffJun 07 13:08
XRevan86scientes: Why would you suggest that?Jun 07 13:08
XRevan86scientes: That makes it extrahard to utilise those.Jun 07 13:09
scientesbecause there is an ambiguity in code points 0x80-0xff----is it one of two bytesJun 07 13:09
scientes*one or two bytesJun 07 13:09
XRevan86scientes: Like someone said there – that's an expected property of UTF-8.Jun 07 13:09
scientesexcept it means that zig is brokenJun 07 13:09
XRevan86It's intended to work that way.Jun 07 13:09
scientesbecause its ambiguousJun 07 13:09
scientesbecause zig doesn't require utf-8Jun 07 13:09
scientesin stringsJun 07 13:10
XRevan86scientes: Well, that too. But why wouldn't Zig adopt an additional type for UTF-8 characters?Jun 07 13:10
scientesthen it wouldn't be a built-in typeJun 07 13:10
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XRevan86Anyway, UTF-8 for codepoints is horrible and it's better not to have them at all.Jun 07 13:10
scienteswhy is it horrible?Jun 07 13:10
scientesit still fits in u32Jun 07 13:11
scientesand the vast majority of pages are 128 codepointsJun 07 13:11
scientesso only differ by the last byteJun 07 13:11
scientes*64 code-pointsJun 07 13:11
XRevan86scientes: Because it's cumbersome to get UTF-8 encoding instead of Unicode.Jun 07 13:13
XRevan86And it's kinda dumb not to use encoding as encoding.Jun 07 13:14
XRevan86scientes: And then again, you could just a Latin-1 character there, and it will also be ambiguous.Jun 07 13:15
XRevan86just as ambiguous as a codepointJun 07 13:15
scientesnoJun 07 13:15
scientescause it would have a differen't valueJun 07 13:15
scientesthe point is you need to be able to specify bytes 0x80-0xffJun 07 13:16
XRevan86> then it wouldn't be a built-in typeJun 07 13:16
XRevan86Why not?Jun 07 13:16
scientesbecause this isn't c++Jun 07 13:16
scienteswe don't have a bazillion typesJun 07 13:16
XRevan86overloading something a million times is what c++ does bestJun 07 13:17
XRevan86are you use it's not c++?Jun 07 13:17
XRevan86* are you sureJun 07 13:17
XRevan86https://assets.amuniversal.com/22af8c406d600138fdc9005056a9545dJun 07 13:32
scientesXRevan86, basicallyJun 07 13:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New Arm SoCs Supported By Linux 5.8, Restructuring To Fit Android Kernel Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138275#comment-25399 [https://pleroma.site/objects/06e0410e-4960-4e5d-bfe0-f32d0fa2cc18]Jun 07 13:33
XRevan86https://go.googlesource.com/go/+/8157a31deb75768b5998ed925c15bf20241a3f18 oh wowJun 07 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-go.googlesource.com | 8157a31deb75768b5998ed925c15bf20241a3f18 - go - Git at GoogleJun 07 13:37
XRevan86What a great way to enrage a lot of people at once with language policing.Jun 07 13:37
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XRevan86Oh well, I guess a pair white/black has really solidified itself as related to skin colour in the English language.Jun 07 13:42
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XRevan86And other uses of that pair with black being the negative one will be phased out.Jun 07 13:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: First Release Candidate of Grml version 2020.06 available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138480 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd7e8068-41d7-4f4c-a56f-bf66d5c7ec60]Jun 07 13:43
XRevan86as perceived discriminatoryJun 07 13:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138481 [https://pleroma.site/objects/167bda82-7fab-434c-aa05-99dd3aa59bc9]Jun 07 13:46
XRevan86Speaking of which, I've been saying here some time ago that Russian police officers are mainly thugs, being appalled by how needlessly voilent and crazy with power they are.Jun 07 13:50
XRevan86They really aren't special.Jun 07 13:50
MinceRthis is what happens when you let people have powerJun 07 13:51
scientesXRevan86, https://archive.org/details/covid-censorship-at-research-gate-2/mode/2upJun 07 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | COVID censorship at ResearchGate: Things scientists cannot say : Denis G Rancourt : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet ArchiveJun 07 13:51
XRevan86MinceR: And make them unaccountable for their actions…Jun 07 13:54
XRevan86In Russia every new law about police lifts some responsibility.Jun 07 13:55
XRevan86I don't know what they can't do anymore.Jun 07 13:55
XRevan86that's their response to people resisting police apparentlyJun 07 13:55
zoobab"2) what's that pieter quote about making new groups?" the one about broken infrastructures?Jun 07 13:57
XRevan86scientes: So, you now believe in its danger?Jun 07 13:57
zoobab"Two years I spent learning all about patents and copyrights, arguing with patent lawyers and lobbyists. But by far the worse arguments were from within the FFII. It was so incredibly hard to do anything. In the end I had to create a second NGO (ESOMA), in Brussels, with its own funding, to make things work."Jun 07 13:59
zoobabOn the good side, I learned a lot and met many people. On the bad side, it cost me so much stress and money (I paid for all my considerable travel and time out of my own pocket) that I got burned out.Jun 07 13:59
zoobabLesson: don't try to fix existing organizations. Start new ones. It's sad yet there we are.Jun 07 13:59
zoobabhttps://niccokunzmann.github.io/hintjens.com/hintjens.com/blog:125.1.htmlJun 07 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-niccokunzmann.github.io | Confessions of a Necromancer - Hintjens.comJun 07 13:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: “We have no interest in directly profiting from the success of game developers.” Defold creators on engine’s new license and current status http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137965#comment-25402 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c200f02d-29a2-4932-b597-223a8b451f31]Jun 07 14:03
*XRevan86 saw comments saying that George Floyd was some kind of shady character and that changes everything.Jun 07 14:04
XRevan86Amazing the lengths people can go to protest the status quo. To admit that someone like a police officer can just go and straight up murder oneself or one's family member.Jun 07 14:05
XRevan86* protectJun 07 14:05
XRevan86that was a bad typoJun 07 14:05
XRevan86As if it matters what unarmed defenceless person the police officer murdered.Jun 07 14:06
*XRevan86 also saw similiar comments under videos of similiar cases in Russia, prior to that. Not sure if I can find one right now.Jun 07 14:07
MinceRXRevan86: which is what power means :>Jun 07 14:14
XRevan86MinceR: Yea, true.Jun 07 14:15
XRevan86Under inspection civil servants turn out to be plain musors.Jun 07 14:17
zoobab@schestowitz why Pieter left Twitter: https://niccokunzmann.github.io/hintjens.com/hintjens.com/blog:114.1.htmlJun 07 14:18
schestowitzewww...Jun 07 14:22
schestowitzgithubJun 07 14:22
schestowitzwell, he didn't knowJun 07 14:22
schestowitzbut...Jun 07 14:22
schestowitzit was already a proprietary trapJun 07 14:22
schestowitzah, wait.. not his own siteJun 07 14:22
zoobabhttp://hintjens.com/blog:114Jun 07 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why I've Quit Twitter - Hintjens.comJun 07 14:24
zoobabit's some wget mirrorJun 07 14:24
XRevan86zoobab: Oy-vey, quite categorical opinions of someone criticising… categorical opinions.Jun 07 14:25
MinceR"only Sith deal in absolutes"Jun 07 14:27
XRevan86MinceR: The most absolute saying in the whole sagaJun 07 14:27
XRevan86yes %)Jun 07 14:27
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XRevan86> BLC ignores the mass of poverty that cannot claim one drop of African or Native American blood. It is not a small mass, as Donald Trump knows.Jun 07 14:30
XRevan86He must be a wise man.Jun 07 14:30
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: More articles on the cautionary tale that it #appget-- #microsoft and #github as 'theft' facilitation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138160#comment-25403 [https://pleroma.site/objects/08d73c8f-61ed-4168-81dc-01648fc0256e]Jun 07 14:32
XRevan86My personal opinion is that a lot of activism in the US that targets windmills and strawmen is at its roots a result of frustration of the lower class with the society. One can tell there's a big problem, it is not as easy to find the cause.Jun 07 14:34
*XRevan86 doubts that the cause is words like "blacklist".Jun 07 14:34
XRevan86zoobab: The author definitely has a point, even if some of his characterisations are flawed.Jun 07 14:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM and Anaconda Partnership http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138482 [https://pleroma.site/objects/aee93d3d-a936-448c-9c51-cb3c67c4f41c]Jun 07 14:43
schestowitzzoobab: http://hintjens.com/blog:114 is indeed interestingJun 07 15:00
schestowitzcan you set up an account outside twitter please?Jun 07 15:00
MinceR(cat) (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/29/0b9a2eff66eae5f3.mp4Jun 07 15:10
kingoffranceyou vastly overestimate correlation of my nick to languages i speak oiaohm :)Jun 07 15:11
XRevan86King off RanceJun 07 15:11
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rance_(river) which incidentally is also in FranceJun 07 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Rance (river) - WikipediaJun 07 15:12
kingoffranceits cuz from what i found 8 bits is totally arbitrary, but someone did it, ibm wanted to be compatibleJun 07 15:14
kingoffrancethe hw designer wanted 24 so he could fit integer or some floating point in the same "unit" and have instructions that treated it differentlyJun 07 15:15
kingoffrancebut he compromised because it was "do it this 8 bits way, or no machine"Jun 07 15:15
kingoffranceso hed rather have the machine be made than notJun 07 15:15
kingoffranceat least, that is what i found was the main thing that then everyone else also copiedJun 07 15:15
kingoffrancei dont have sources handy, sorry, saw that buried in an interviewJun 07 15:16
kingoffranceit bothered me forever cuz i never could find an official reason why 8 bitsJun 07 15:16
kingoffranceso my conclusion: there never wasJun 07 15:16
kingoffranceit is quite surreal thoughJun 07 15:17
kingoffranceto see ibm was worried about competitoinJun 07 15:17
kingoffranceand striving to be "compatible" with someone elseJun 07 15:17
kingoffrancethat .....is quite amazingJun 07 15:17
kingoffrancelolJun 07 15:17
*psydroid is waiting for 32-bit bytes to finally become the new standardJun 07 15:19
kingoffrancei dont think the 24-bit thing was speed or anythingJun 07 15:20
kingoffranceit was merely save cost by reuse i believeJun 07 15:20
kingoffranceless parts/complicatedJun 07 15:20
kingoffrancei think that is all hw designers reasoning wasJun 07 15:20
kingoffrancei mean the floating point was for speed, but i think they added that back, just "separate"Jun 07 15:22
XRevan86kingoffrance: 8-bit is good.Jun 07 15:23
XRevan86kingoffrance: That's exactly the right amount for Latin-1 and stuff.Jun 07 15:24
XRevan86So at least in character representation it's not arbitrary but well-weighed.Jun 07 15:27
scientespsydroid, it doesn't matterJun 07 15:28
kingoffrance"no machine" i think the implication wasJun 07 15:29
kingoffrancethey wouldve gone with someone elses designJun 07 15:29
kingoffranceso he wanted to see some of his idea/design come to life rather than noneJun 07 15:30
kingoffrancenot that ibm wouldve scrapped the projectJun 07 15:30
kingoffrancejust dumped/relocated him :)Jun 07 15:30
kingoffrancehe wanted to see mostly-his real hw built and use it, rather than just sketches on a whiteboardJun 07 15:31
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XRevan86SMBC goes Heart of a Dog^W Cat: https://smbc-comics.com/comic/cat-2Jun 07 16:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - CatJun 07 16:28
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scientesXRevan86, https://youtu.be/XJasE5aOHSw?t=450Jun 07 20:04
scientesboomJun 07 20:04
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scientesexactly the problem with the zig guysJun 07 20:04
scientesThe language delivered alot, but it has stagnated because all the developers but me fell in love with the syntaxJun 07 20:05
scientesand as we know, love is blindJun 07 20:05
scientesand as a linguist, I know that you can't fall in love with the language, you have to always keep your eyes on what the hardware is doingJun 07 20:05
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scientesyou get stuck in a turing-trapJun 07 20:06
scienteswhere you are trying to solve *every* problem with a given turing machineJun 07 20:06
scientesand this results in monstrosities like c++ or rustJun 07 20:06
scientes(rust actually isn't that horrible, but does have some c++-like problems)Jun 07 20:06
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scientesC is generally the best turing trap, precisely because it has good support of exits like assemblyJun 07 20:07
scientesand I felt zig provided a better C (and it does)Jun 07 20:07
scientesa better expression of the same abstract machine as CJun 07 20:08
scientesbut instead of just keeping with that, the developers fall in love with it, so it never gets polished, and then they start making c++ like mistakesJun 07 20:08
scientesso it tarnishes instead of polishingJun 07 20:08
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oiaohmkingoffrance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte  Its not IBM that set the 8 bit byte side.   IBM first use of byte was any size.    The 8 bit byte size comes from AT&T.    Great fun right you early dialup modem stuff.Jun 07 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Byte - WikipediaJun 07 20:53
schestowitz[15:10] <MinceR> (cat) (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/29/0b9a2eff66eae5f3.mp4Jun 07 20:56
schestowitzrianne_: ^Jun 07 20:56
oiaohmkingoffrance: same time AT&T sets byte as 8 bits Octet/Octade  also appears.   This all before the IBM PC was even a idea on the drawing board and before anyone was trying to be IBM compatible.Jun 07 20:58
oiaohmkingoffrance: being AT&T compatible stage is something people miss.   Yes this is the cause behind all the Unix compatible stuff.Jun 07 20:59
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DaemonFC[m]The psy model of FhG FastEnc MP3 is interesting.Jun 07 21:20
DaemonFC[m]At the highest quality VBR setting it uses L/R stereo entirely, but if you use any of the other modes, it switches almost exclusively to M/S.Jun 07 21:21
DaemonFC[m]In all VBR modes, it seems to have a less aggressive version of LAME's -Y switch to deal with scalefactor band 21.Jun 07 21:22
DaemonFC[m]In all modes, it very nearly always uses long blocks. About 99% long and 1% short blocks.Jun 07 21:22
DaemonFC[m]In VBR mode, the assortment of frame sizes is smaller than what LAME would use, and FhG doesn't use the bit reservoir as aggressively as LAME does.Jun 07 21:23
DaemonFC[m]In FDK-AAC, their psy model for AAC is obviously heavily influenced by the one from their MP3 codec. Efficiency is much higher due to the direct usage of the MDCT in the AAC format.Jun 07 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Neither codec is bad at what it does, although it seems like LAME is slower because the psy model is willing to stop and deal with pre and post-echo effects by switching to short blocks, even though this is a tradeoff that can result in lower overall coding efficiency.Jun 07 21:25
DaemonFC[m]It seems like the lack of an aggressive block switching algorithm is what makes FhG MP3 very fast.Jun 07 21:28
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DaemonFC[m]Although there is a mixed blocks specification, neither LAME nor FhG use it.Jun 07 21:31
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DaemonFC[m]In FDK-AAC, what would be sfb21 in MP3 is bot encoded at all unless you use the highest quality VBR setting, even though AAC can encode it efficiently.Jun 07 21:34
DaemonFC[m]*notJun 07 21:34
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/29/2ae9f5e60d89313a.pngJun 07 21:48
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MinceR(no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/29/afa7ca03dd02bab2.mp4Jun 07 22:33
XRevan86MinceR: Pretty normal stuff.Jun 07 22:34
DaemonFC[m]I'm guessing the FhG encoder (static bundle) will always work on Linux.Jun 07 22:37
DaemonFC[m]I have programs for Linux that date back into the late 90s that still work fine.Jun 07 22:37
XRevan86(lots of audio) https://youtu.be/1vq_h4myH1EJun 07 22:37
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138503 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9460b55b-9c64-4a63-bff5-4d122efddaa4]Jun 07 23:21
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/29/9ae9fe671d8d7c94.pngJun 07 23:27
schestowitzlol, niceJun 07 23:37
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