●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, August 07, 2021 ●● ● Aug 07 [00:00] schestowitz CrystalMath: for firefox/ff ? ;) [00:00] schestowitz impossible! [00:00] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Aren't those wiped? And there are other platforms out there. [00:00] Ariadne i have to agree with CrystalMath here, i have problems understanding why 4chan would care [00:00] schestowitz sounds like straw man [00:00] CrystalMath schestowitz: if you configure firefox without telemetry, make says: "No files left to compile." [00:00] CrystalMath :P [00:00] techrights-news #LatteDock 0.10 Released with Support for Multiple, Floating Docks and Panels http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154252 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latte Dock 0.10 Released with Support for Multiple, Floating Docks and Panels | Tux Machines [00:01] XRevan86 Ariadne: Vengeance over "sneedacity"? [00:01] schestowitz in a world of "enemy of my enemy is my friend" just mention 4chan and win any argument [00:01] CrystalMath XRevan86: what did he do to sneedacity? [00:01] CrystalMath he did nothing [00:01] schestowitz CrystalMath: :-) [00:01] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Rather what he didn't do. [00:01] Ariadne XRevan86: why would 4chan care about sneedacity [00:01] CrystalMath so did most people on earth [00:02] schestowitz CrystalMath: error: "bad actor" detected by compiler [00:02] XRevan86 Ariadne: There was a poll on what name to choose for the project, and "sneedacity" won. [00:02] XRevan86 Then cookiengineer chose Tenacity anyway. [00:02] CrystalMath XRevan86: he did his own competing fork [00:02] Ariadne shrug [00:02] XRevan86 CrystalMath: No, that's not correct. [00:02] CrystalMath these are different forks [00:03] schestowitz iirc, Tenacity was "already taken" [00:03] schestowitz by some "chan" [00:03] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Sneedacity was forked later as a protest to cookiengineer's choice of name for the fork that he founded. [00:03] schestowitz or so goes the story in MSM [00:03] schestowitz by MSM i mean BS sites like The Register [00:03] Ariadne all of this seems like a really [00:03] Ariadne who gives a shit [00:03] Ariadne topic [00:04] schestowitz very on-topic [00:04] CrystalMath Ariadne: exactly i mean it's quite difficult for me to believe this is so important [00:04] schestowitz I still don't know what will happen with that project [00:04] XRevan86 Ariadne: It was important enough to make a different fork called Sneedacity [00:04] schestowitz seems like the latest "safe" release was x.34 [00:04] CrystalMath that someone would go to any lengths, like if i lived *across* from this guy i would not bother to get up from my chair to ask him about it [00:04] schestowitz .3 or 0.4 [00:05] CrystalMath XRevan86: creating a fork is one button [00:05] XRevan86 It only exists because for the channers that is the name that Tenacity was supposed to have. [00:05] MinceR Serious Business [00:05] schestowitz CrystalMath: with GUI [00:05] *XRevan86 looks at the repo: wow, even they chose Libera. [00:06] schestowitz likely one that entraps you in the same proprietary prison you need to take it away from [00:06] CrystalMath XRevan86: yes, and CatButts went there to implement 32-bit XP support [00:06] schestowitz need a new button, "fork and delete thus shithub" [00:06] schestowitz *this [00:06] CrystalMath because that's what he runs [00:06] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Libera should ban the chanops that kicked him, is that your point? [00:06] CrystalMath XRevan86: no [00:07] CrystalMath XRevan86: it's just that this behavior is horrible for software freedom [00:07] XRevan86 CrystalMath: If he were to be kicked somewhere on EFnet, would that be a bad network too? [00:07] CrystalMath the chanops there are terrible [00:07] CrystalMath no [00:07] CrystalMath this is just evidence that there *is* a problem in free software [00:07] CrystalMath the problem is not IRC [00:07] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The problem is not Libera? [00:07] schestowitz society in general [00:07] CrystalMath technically no but i connect libera ircops to the problem [00:08] schestowitz but different people handle it differently [00:08] CrystalMath if libera were to change its entire management, then it would maybe not be a problem [00:08] schestowitz some try to reconcile to the extent possible [00:08] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Thank you, I was scratching my head defending Libera against bogus accusations all this time, and it was never actually about Libera this whole time. [00:09] CrystalMath XRevan86: well i mean i refuse to connect to libera because of who is the staff tehre [00:09] CrystalMath *there [00:09] CrystalMath the problem is Fuchs, amdj, jose, nhandler, RichiH, and many more [00:09] schestowitz there is a deeper issue here [00:09] schestowitz to quote you, [00:10] schestowitz "Fuchs, amdj, jose, nhandler, RichiH" DO NOT represent the projects whose chats they oversee [00:10] CrystalMath if all of those were gone, and the new staff was pro-freedom of speech, and for "code is what matters, send all non-code-related complaints to /dev/null" [00:10] XRevan86 CrystalMath: If only they were replaced with such decent people as rasengan, bagira, eskimo and l0de [00:10] schestowitz at the highest level of authority [00:10] CrystalMath XRevan86: eskimo really is good [00:10] schestowitz this creates something skin to conflict of interest [00:10] schestowitz they are given control over channels they MIGHT seek to undermine [00:10] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I obviously didn't mean the ice cream, that's of course good stuff. [00:10] schestowitz this should never be allowed [00:10] schestowitz I point out to some shithub-hosted projects the same [00:10] schestowitz Microsoft attacks you [00:10] MinceR (1) revenge is sweet [00:11] MinceR (2) revenge is best served cold [00:11] schestowitz and you giver them control over your code!! [00:11] MinceR conclusion: revenge is ice cream [00:11] CrystalMath XRevan86: eskimo the person was a good guy there at freenode [00:11] schestowitz [20:30] Worse than foolish to make #LibreOffice dependent on a manipulative censorship network of LibreOffice enemy, #Microsoft https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/08/06/importance-of-linkedin-pages/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/28/linkedin-censorship/ [00:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | The importance of LinkedIn Pages for the LibreOffice Project - The Document Foundation Blog [00:11] CrystalMath some details were brought to my attention [00:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When It Comes to Killing Businesses Microsoft Defends Its Crown | Techrights [00:11] XRevan86 CrystalMath: No idea about how nice his words are, I only saw his name related to misconduct. [00:12] schestowitz eskima is best served cold [00:12] schestowitz to a polar bear [00:12] schestowitz "tradition" [00:13] CrystalMath XRevan86: like that one time he reported some FedEx guy? [00:13] CrystalMath i mean.... that isn't really important [00:13] CrystalMath on freenode he truly did his best [00:14] Ariadne to be honest, you are right, he was ultimately harmless there [00:15] Ariadne but, still, one should vet their staff [00:15] Ariadne since andrew didn't, i decided to do it for him [00:15] MinceR if only old freenode and oftc vetted theirs [00:15] Ariadne freenode was on kitchen nightmares, and i was mad like gordon ramsay [00:16] CrystalMath Ariadne: well you never said anything against the one who was behind most of the decisions that got people out [00:16] schestowitz-TR MinceR: vetted for loyalty [00:16] Ariadne CrystalMath: you mean rasengan? [00:16] MinceR maybe then they wouldn't help people like amdj, jose, nhandler and RichiH attack free software [00:16] CrystalMath Ariadne: nope [00:16] Ariadne oh, i'd love to hear your theory on this [00:16] Ariadne it sounds fascinating [00:16] schestowitz-TR we once hired a machead [00:16] schestowitz-TR and some other idiots [00:16] MinceR while posing as the places to discuss free software [00:17] schestowitz-TR ousted only after doing tons of damage [00:17] schestowitz-TR eff is a cautionary tale [00:17] schestowitz-TR run by some decent people living alongside idiots [00:17] schestowitz-TR but the idiots became more visible [00:18] Ariadne how is amdj attacking software freedom ? [00:18] schestowitz-TR (I don't mean that lightly btw) [00:18] schestowitz-TR based on years of evidence piling up [00:19] CrystalMath Ariadne: amdj signed the petition against RMS [00:19] Ariadne and? [00:19] schestowitz-TR we need more efvidence [00:19] Ariadne i thought you believed in free speech [00:19] schestowitz-TR that sigs were partly added based on tricking people [00:20] schestowitz-TR and by mass-mailing orgs [00:20] schestowitz-TR I know stories [00:20] Ariadne no, it's more fundamental than that [00:20] Ariadne CrystalMath: do you believe in free speech or not [00:20] schestowitz-TR ibm money and google/microsoft/others revealed their true goals [00:20] schestowitz-TR and their methods [00:20] CrystalMath Ariadne: well he has a right to despise software freedom [00:20] MinceR canceling people to make way for a corporate takeover is now "free speech"? [00:21] Ariadne it is possible to dislike RMS and believe in software freedom [00:21] CrystalMath but why pretend to run an IRC network for that? [00:21] schestowitz-TR MinceR: it is [00:21] schestowitz-TR but not speech I am compelled to like [00:21] Ariadne even RMS will tell you that [00:21] MinceR it is possible to dislike RMS and yet not accuse him of saying things he did not say [00:21] Ariadne go on, write him, rms@gnu.org [00:21] MinceR it is possible to dislike RMS and yet not cancel him [00:21] CrystalMath Ariadne: i believe it's ultimately detrimental to software freedom when you care about stupid stuff rather than actually giving individual users power [00:22] schestowitz-TR it was not about dislking him, either [00:22] schestowitz-TR in 2019 they covered up for criminal gates [00:22] Ariadne i know amdj to be somebody who strongly believes in giving individual users power [00:22] schestowitz-TR by making false allusions to RMS [00:22] Ariadne it is why i put atheme in his hands [00:22] MinceR also, am i free to hate people for revealing themselves as being IBM's anti-free software patsies via using free speech? [00:22] schestowitz-TR in 2021 they realised people knew it was a lie [00:22] schestowitz-TR so they changed goalposts [00:22] MinceR individual users, as long as they're loyal to IBM? [00:22] schestowitz-TR to some other and newer lies [00:22] Ariadne MinceR: sure [00:22] CrystalMath Ariadne: and then he signed a petition asking the FSF to get rid of the guy who is the ideologist of free software just because he allegedly doesn't care about minorities in tech? [00:23] schestowitz-TR allegedly [00:23] Ariadne i mean, maybe you should ask him why he signed it [00:23] schestowitz-TR rememember that rms is alsoa minority [00:23] schestowitz-TR old [00:23] MinceR maybe we should read what he signed [00:23] schestowitz-TR appaently with disabnility [00:23] MinceR it is generally a good idea to read what you sign, before you sign it [00:23] schestowitz-TR *disability [00:23] MinceR and it is a statement after all [00:23] schestowitz-TR I will never sympathise with people who bash him over alleged "autosm" [00:24] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: well RMS said it's a plus to have different people in software projects, that's a point against this allegation, but he also said that it's wrong to put this into the priority projects list [00:24] schestowitz-TR the moment you mock a disabled person I will never forgive you [00:24] schestowitz-TR we donmate to blind people every month [00:24] Ariadne anyway [00:24] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: never? [00:24] schestowitz-TR need clarification or apology [00:24] CrystalMath i mean, yeah it does suck to do so, but *never* forgive? [00:24] schestowitz-TR if they do it over the disability [00:25] schestowitz-TR which seems applicable to some in this case [00:25] CrystalMath okay, i understand what you mean [00:25] schestowitz-TR BTW, Phipps signed: [00:25] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Open Source Initiative Cannot Lecture People on Manners and Tolerance (and Probably Never Could) | Techrights [00:25] schestowitz so he has lots of splaining to do [00:25] schestowitz his statement is highly offensive to million [00:25] schestowitz he just growled when we pointed this out [00:26] schestowitz because he knew he was deep in trouble [00:26] CrystalMath i mean i use the word "retarded" to refer to things that are badly designed, people that simply have bad conduct, and ideas that i think won't work... sometimes even just for things that are late, as a pun in french [00:26] schestowitz for dumb "tweets" [00:26] schestowitz social control media is a liability [00:26] schestowitz like some british 'edu' minister making comments in reply tweets about the "tits" or some girl under 18 [00:26] schestowitz he had to resign [00:27] CrystalMath but the UK age of consent is 16 [00:27] schestowitz the tolerance crowd that brands itself around it fails to self-assess [00:27] schestowitz it is a skill [00:27] schestowitz accusing others of what you yourself are doing [00:27] schestowitz and then still doing. repeatedly [00:28] schestowitz "We are the good guys... KILL ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE" - religions/cults [00:28] schestowitz Muslims: look at how they expose women's bodies. Disgusting [00:28] schestowitz Non-Muslims: look how they beat up women. Disgusting. [00:30] *inky is now known as inky_afk [00:31] techrights-news No, Fortune. MUCH of today's Wall Street is STILL a bubble if not Ponzi Scheme. Just keep on faking the value of firms while scuttling regulatory agencies (as BOTH corporate parties do) https://fortune.com/2021/08/04/why-the-ipo-markets-arent-quite-the-dotcom-bubble-all-over-again/ [00:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why the IPO markets arent quite the dotcom bubble all over again | Fortune [00:32] techrights-news Wall Street: LOOK AT ALL THOSE "SUCCESSFUL" TRILLION-DOLLAR COMPANIES WITH QUARTERLY LOSSES. GOD BLESS 'MURICA! [00:33] techrights-news #microsoft https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/29/mailgun_chipotle_malware_spam/ [00:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Spam is Chipotle's secret ingredient: Marketing email hijacked to dish up malware The Register [00:34] *inky_afk is now known as inky [00:34] techrights-news #microsoft #security and #apple security, like their #greeenwashing , is 100% lies, 0% truth. Proper security is NOT the goal. It's #marketing [00:35] techrights-news Smoking kills. So does the assumption #google #ibm #microsoft and #apple TRULY value #security http://techrights.org/2021/01/30/fake-security/ [00:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security is Still a Real Problem, Even in the GNU/Linux (and BSD) Spheres | Techrights [00:36] techrights-news Famous last words: we outsourced to #microsoft / #github [00:37] gustaf the thing with old freenode and Libera is - the staff doesn't interfere with channels, unless it's spamming, or behavior against ToS [00:38] schestowitz-TR false [00:38] gustaf new Freenode had staff pursuing personal vendettas [00:38] schestowitz-TR false [00:38] schestowitz-TR old staff did that too [00:38] gustaf really [00:38] schestowitz-TR yes [00:38] gustaf cf. Bagira [00:38] schestowitz-TR http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ [00:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights [00:38] schestowitz-TR censorship keeps the censorship hidden [00:38] schestowitz-TR famous snake-eat-snake recursion [00:39] gustaf ok so old Freenode would waltz in to pro-RMS channels and take them over? [00:39] gustaf I mean, new Freenode THREW OUT THE FSF [00:39] schestowitz-TR that's not what it says [00:39] schestowitz-TR these are the same people who now run LC [00:40] schestowitz-TR and OFTC [00:40] schestowitz-TR some overlaps [00:40] schestowitz-TR the solution is not to select better [00:40] schestowitz-TR but to self-host [00:40] gustaf ok, show me logs where they have kicked people, or taken over channels, for expressing pro-RMS sentiments [00:40] gustaf if you can I'll be satisfied [00:40] schestowitz-TR the platforms should be 'in cahoots' with the projects under their wing [00:41] schestowitz-TR gustaf: privacy violation [00:41] MinceR for some, a better choice would work [00:41] gustaf or rather, ask in #fsf if they're unhappy with being hosted on Libera [00:41] MinceR but that's neither freenode, nor illibera, nor oftc [00:41] gustaf they hold board meetings there [00:41] schestowitz-TR I asked RMS [00:41] MinceR we'll see how long they'll be happy [00:41] schestowitz-TR LC was not a first choice [00:41] schestowitz-TR urgent compromise [00:41] MinceR and how long IBM management will be able to hold off giving them orders to remove people [00:42] gustaf smdh [00:42] gustaf over an IRC network [00:42] gustaf ok [00:42] gustaf *channel [00:42] MinceR i doubt they've given up already [00:42] schestowitz-TR they are still at it [00:42] schestowitz-TR libc was days ago [00:42] MinceR they'll probably need to hurry it up, actually [00:42] schestowitz-TR Panzers out soon [00:43] MinceR the longer they wait, the more time the projects and people moving to one of the BSD-s have [00:43] CrystalMath embarassingly i suggested OFTC to RMS and only later learned of what they did [00:43] gustaf in the log, provided by me to Techrights, detailing the takeover of #fsf, @goes mentioned that there's no way the FSF IT staff can handle running their own IRC server [00:43] gustaf and I'd trust his word [00:43] CrystalMath what a fool i was... OFTC is way worse than illibera could ever be [00:43] MinceR there are hundreds of IRC networks [00:43] schestowitz-TR gustaf: RMS said the same [00:43] schestowitz-TR sort of [00:43] MinceR most of them aren't run by IBM's chained dogs [00:43] MinceR i even suggested one of them to the FSF as an option [00:44] schestowitz-TR IBM can also infiltrate networks [00:44] schestowitz-TR with money and stuff [00:44] schestowitz-TR IBM has loads of footsoldiers [00:44] schestowitz-TR like quarter million [00:45] schestowitz-TR to avoid any future hopping fsf could turn their subset placeholder/pointer into a real thing [00:45] schestowitz-TR but they lacked the time [00:45] schestowitz-TR frfeenode was crashing too fast [00:45] schestowitz-TR 2 days later they wipes the db [00:45] schestowitz-TR on a sunday iirc [00:46] schestowitz-TR fsf barely managed to even get the word oiut by then [00:46] schestowitz-TR and fsf's site RE-posted it [00:46] schestowitz-TR Friday to Sunday [00:50] Noisytoot ok so old Freenode would waltz in to pro-RMS channels and take them over? [00:50] Noisytoot old freenode didn't take over #free-rms or ##rms [00:50] Noisytoot new freenode took over #free-rms [00:51] XRevan86 Noisytoot: "new freenode took over #free-rms" they did? what did they do? :) [00:51] MinceR iirc CrystalMath mentioned old-freenode/illibera staff doing something unjust to channels based on political stance [00:51] gustaf being staff on a big IRC network is being stewards, not people giving orders [00:51] MinceR many people disagree, sadly [00:51] schestowitz-TR it you vet people right [00:51] gustaf yep [00:51] schestowitz-TR and do governance right [00:52] Noisytoot XRevan86, it mentioned libera in the topic. freenodecom joined, changed the topic, set +fim ##free-rms, and cleared the access list [00:52] schestowitz-TR it starts with "good intentions" [00:52] Noisytoot and ##free-rms was owned by an anti-rms troll [00:52] schestowitz-TR later it slips out of control [00:52] XRevan86 Noisytoot: Ah, classic. [00:52] schestowitz-TR you need to step out BEFORE it slips out of control [00:52] gustaf Noisytoot: remember when that stuff was the new shocking thhing Freenode did? [00:52] gustaf how naive we were [00:52] gustaf ok time for bed [00:52] gustaf bbl [00:53] schestowitz-TR kk [00:53] schestowitz-TR freenode: free as in lee [00:53] schestowitz-TR his highness :-) [00:54] schestowitz-TR monarchy liberates [00:55] MinceR lol [00:55] techrights-news #Microsoft #propaganda site reviews a #GNU #Linux based machine https://www.geekwire.com/2021/hands-steam-deck-heres-expect-valves-portable-powerful-gaming-pc/ [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hands on with Steam Deck: Heres what to expect from Valves portable and powerful gaming PC - GeekWire [00:55] XRevan86 schestowitz: Freedom can only be defended by a strong will and a strong hand! [00:55] MinceR his imperial cokedness [00:56] schestowitz-TR sounds like a poultry product [00:56] MinceR XRevan86: i suspect that powerful weapons can substitute for strong hands [00:56] XRevan86 So a monarch is a natural choice. [00:56] MinceR i have yet to see a strong monarch [00:57] schestowitz-TR wqe have 'prince' Drew here [00:57] XRevan86 MinceR: Strong as steel! [00:57] schestowitz-TR so floppy he needed puberty-ish girls [00:57] XRevan86 A man of steel, a steel-in, a Stalin [00:57] MinceR steel can't move objects, so its strength is a nonability [00:57] XRevan86 that's whom freedom needs [00:58] XRevan86 MinceR: Ye just didn't realise that it's a Stalin pun :) [00:59] techrights-news #Bangladesh #covid19 https://www.thedailystar.net/health/disease/coronavirus/news/covid-death-toll-crosses-20000-mark-2139306 [00:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailystar.net | Covid death toll crosses 20,000-mark | The Daily Star [00:59] XRevan86 Stalin is derived from Stahl, i.e. steel ● Aug 07 [01:00] techrights-news #SteamDeck hands-on: PC power with console conveniences https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-deck-hands-on-preview/ #archlinux #gnu #linux #games [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcgamer.com | Steam Deck hands-on: PC power with console conveniences | PC Gamer [01:01] techrights-news Companies run by a bunch of dicks. https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/03/blizzard_management_reshuffle/ [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Blizzard president, HR chief exit games giant in wake of sexual harassment uproar The Register [01:01] XRevan86 not his real last name of course [01:02] techrights-news Eureka! Playing Vulkan Games in Crostini https://chromeunboxed.com/eureka-playing-vulkan-games-in-crostini/ even better: wipe the #malware (yes, #chromeos is not a 'proper' distro) and use 'real' #gnu #linux [01:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chromeunboxed.com | Eureka! Playing Vulkan Games in Crostini [01:02] MinceR XRevan86: meh [01:02] MinceR next you'll be telling me that stalin was Red Son [01:03] XRevan86 MinceR: ? [01:03] XRevan86 A real surname, neat. [01:04] techrights-news So far I've managed to see no more than one #photograph of this thing I'm told exists, Olympic Games in Japan (will thankfully be over soon). Thanks in part to gemini:// (weeding out all the fluff and noise) [01:04] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Red_Son [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Superman: Red Son - Wikipedia [01:04] XRevan86 > super may: red soy [01:05] XRevan86 MinceR: Is he a vegeterian? [01:05] schestowitz-TR MinceR: try "Red Shield" :-p [01:05] MinceR lol [01:06] MinceR that's Supeya Yaed Mai Soi to you [01:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.93 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 107.23 swarm size (avg): 278.97 [01:06] MinceR or Sureya Yaed Mai Soi [01:07] schestowitz-TR iirc, lots of violance in joseph's childhood [01:07] MinceR lots of violence in joseph's later life too [01:07] schestowitz-TR but the dodumentary I watched was like.... more than a decade ago [01:07] schestowitz-TR MinceR: retaliation [01:07] schestowitz-TR payback time! [01:07] MinceR i liked the move The Death of Stalin though [01:07] MinceR s/ve/vie/ [01:07] schestowitz-TR banned, obviously [01:07] MinceR in russia? [01:08] schestowitz-TR yeah,. iirc [01:08] MinceR sucks to be them [01:08] schestowitz-TR I want to see a "Death of Putin" movie [01:08] MinceR i want that too [01:08] MinceR but i want it to be a documentary [01:08] MinceR and i want to see it real soon [01:08] schestowitz-TR let me find something... [01:09] XRevan86 MinceR: I've found it to be very unfunny. But it's not my type of humour. [01:09] schestowitz https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/north-korea-hack-reveals-seth-4804837 [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mirror.co.uk | North Korea: Hack reveals Seth Rogen forced to change Kim Jong-un exploding head death scene in The Interview - World News - Mirror Online [01:09] schestowitz us already films death of still-living enemies [01:09] schestowitz https://thediplomat.com/2014/06/no-north-korea-did-not-threaten-war-over-seth-rogan-movie/ [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thediplomat.com | No, North Korea Did NOT Threaten War Over Seth Rogen Movie The Diplomat [01:09] XRevan86 I didn't find it particularly daring either. [01:09] schestowitz https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/25/north-korea-merciless-response-us-kim-jong-un-film [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | North Korea threatens 'merciless' response over Seth Rogen film | North Korea | The Guardian [01:09] schestowitz notice how many faked stories and headlines [01:09] MinceR i think the way the politicians "revised their views" at the drop of a hat several times in response to events was hilarious [01:10] schestowitz shows you why MSM is a waste of time at best... [01:10] MinceR XRevan86: how should it have been daring? [01:11] *inky is now known as inky_afk [01:11] XRevan86 MinceR: I'm not a film maker, how should I know :) [01:11] schestowitz XRevan86: bayonet up the arse? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Clinton on Qaddafi: We came, we saw, he died - YouTube [01:11] MinceR lol [01:11] XRevan86 I did like the effect it had on the Russian censorship institutions though. [01:11] schestowitz she did not say HOW he died [01:12] schestowitz maybe that would have gotten BIll hard [01:12] schestowitz the hunsband [01:12] XRevan86 Suddenly they're deeply concerned. [01:12] schestowitz not the now-single Gates [01:12] MinceR by it being not as daring the russian institutions show themselves to be even more cowardly [01:13] XRevan86 MinceR: I think they just didn't know the history and the context well enough to represent the reality better. It felt too detached from this world. [01:13] MinceR what were they wrong about? [01:13] XRevan86 and when it's too detached, then it's not really about Stalin or Khruschev or Beria [01:14] MinceR maybe the state just lied too much to you [01:14] XRevan86 MinceR: Not enough villainy for one thing. [01:14] MinceR maybe they thought it would have seemed unrealistic [01:14] MinceR nazis and commies make cartoon villains look good [01:14] schestowitz-TR MinceR: are those mutually exclusive? [01:15] XRevan86 MinceR: The Soviet mentality and the viewpoint of that time was completely absent. [01:15] MinceR schestowitz-TR: which ones? [01:15] schestowitz-TR there are some overlaps [01:15] MinceR XRevan86: i thought that was what i saw in the movie, but maybe i didn't know enough about it [01:15] MinceR schestowitz-TR: nazis and commies? certainly not [01:15] schestowitz-TR I find that baffling when presented as separables [01:15] XRevan86 It's echoing to this day, so I would've immediately noticed if it were there. [01:15] MinceR fidSS is both, for example [01:15] schestowitz-TR one is economic [01:15] schestowitz-TR unless you mean Stalinist/Boshievik/.Soviet [01:16] schestowitz-TR Nazism was not about economics [01:16] MinceR schestowitz-TR: consider that nazism was constructed as a mess of many ideologies including "socialism", with many conflicts [01:16] schestowitz-TR even the name of the party [01:16] MinceR which is not an issue since such people won't enforce their own ideologies anyway unless it's convenient to them [01:16] MinceR again, fidSS is a good example of that [01:16] schestowitz-TR fidDeath [01:17] schestowitz-TR not fidSS [01:17] MinceR especially when the gypsy king and Fucker Carlson suck up to each other nowadays [01:17] schestowitz-TR it's a hard jobbbbick kkkeeping abrease [01:17] schestowitz-TR *st [01:17] MinceR while the gypsy king claims publicly that making people wear masks and get vaccines was a good idea, while Fucker claims the opposite [01:17] XRevan86 MinceR: People say HBO's Chernobyl' did a good job, but I haven't checked it out myself. [01:17] schestowitz-TR MinceR: yes, I read about the Carlson/Orban thing [01:18] schestowitz-TR kakistocrasy is a thing now [01:18] XRevan86 MinceR: 80s and 50s are different times, but still. [01:18] MinceR and allegedly Fucker Carlson also attacks red china while the gypsy king is spending 700 billion HUF on having an alleged "university" (really more like a brainwashing center) for the communist party of china in a place where we were supposed to have housing for students [01:18] MinceR XRevan86: i don't really see the conflict between the Chernobyl series and The Death of Stalin [01:19] MinceR XRevan86: the same doublethink, posturing, ignoring facts [01:19] schestowitz-TR Orban is imporovising [01:19] MinceR it's all about power, money and making people miserable [01:19] MinceR authoritarianism. [01:19] MinceR the symbols don't really matter [01:19] MinceR the state religion doesn't really matter [01:19] schestowitz-TR hungary still second deadliest wrt covid [01:19] MinceR control freakery matters [01:20] schestowitz-TR peru is miles ahead [01:20] schestowitz-TR but... peru [01:20] MinceR shitting on everyone who is not in the Inner Party matters [01:20] schestowitz-TR indiginous people and poverty [01:20] XRevan86 MinceR: I mean, it takes talent to create an immersive environment that makes one suspend disbelief. What I saw in Death of Stalin was a bunch of English folk goofing around on camera. [01:20] schestowitz-TR MinceR: maybe the EPO will run by Mihaly in a couple of years [01:20] schestowitz-TR if so, get popcorn [01:20] MinceR forcing people to profess beliefs fervently while the dictator might not even believe them himself [01:20] schestowitz-TR there will be rubble [01:21] MinceR schestowitz-TR: mihaly or no, the EU is already destroying itself, and the gypsy king is merely one of the tools of that destruction [01:23] schestowitz-TR yeah, and Erdogan [01:23] schestowitz-TR enemy of my enemy = ally for turkey and hungaristan [01:24] MinceR and putin, and duterte, and trump [01:24] MinceR and kaczynski [01:25] MinceR and the EPP, and the ECR, and the ID, and all the tories of the planet [01:25] techrights-news #SteamDeck Using Linux Explained http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154253#comment-30483 #archlinux #gnu #linux #games [01:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Godot Engine, Valve, and Vulkan support in Crostini | Tux Machines [01:25] XRevan86 MinceR: Whatever, it's just a silly comedy that pretends to denunciate Stalin's cult of personality, while having only one or two serious scenes in it. [01:27] XRevan86 and not a funny comedy, that's also a miss [01:27] schestowitz-TR 'comedy' [01:28] MinceR it was funny to me [01:28] schestowitz-TR many don't feel like it [01:28] schestowitz-TR like scary movies that are not [01:28] schestowitz-TR cradles and stuff [01:28] schestowitz-TR I like to ruin these movies by interjecting comedies [01:28] XRevan86 MinceR: That's probably the core of our disagreement. Ye liked the humour, I didn't. [01:28] MinceR schestowitz-TR: that does not necessarily ruin them [01:29] schestowitz-TR rianne wonders why she never saw me shed a tear [01:29] MinceR iirc Scream 2 was already both a scary movie and a parody of scary movies [01:29] schestowitz-TR not even with movies [01:29] schestowitz-TR MinceR: yes, that too [01:29] XRevan86 schestowitz: Did ye see Pixar's Coco? [01:29] schestowitz-TR some movies are scary when watch on one's own or very high volume level with volume contrast [01:29] MinceR chanel? [01:30] *XRevan86 clarified on Pixar but MinceR made that joke anyway :) [01:30] schestowitz-TR but you can be qually scared at home if the sudden loud noise is heard, it's an instinct [01:30] MinceR :> [01:30] MinceR schestowitz-TR: jumpscares are a seriously low brow way of attempting to make a scary movie anyway [01:31] schestowitz-TR MinceR: Rocko Channel [01:31] schestowitz-TR oops, wrong channel, sorry [01:31] MinceR also, disney owns pixar, so it could be anything at this point [01:31] MinceR https://totalannihilation.fandom.com/wiki/Rocko [01:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-totalannihilation.fandom.com | Rocko | Total Annihilation Wiki | Fandom [01:31] XRevan86 MinceR: Even Chanel? [01:32] schestowitz-TR MinceR: no, pr0n [01:32] MinceR XRevan86: i don't know [01:32] XRevan86 Anyway, it's one of the best films Pixar has produced for sure. [01:32] schestowitz-TR pixar as a brand has languished [01:32] schestowitz-TR like star wars [01:32] schestowitz-TR lucas studios [01:32] MinceR probably so does everything disney touches [01:33] schestowitz-TR wait, I based on EPO meme on that [01:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/depressed-george-lucas-disney-starwars-meme-with-ffpe-epo.jpg [01:34] XRevan86 schestowitz: No, Pixar is still a strong brand, even when owned by Disney. [01:34] XRevan86 Disney bought Licas Films for the Star Wars brand, but they bought Pixar for Pixar. [01:34] schestowitz-TR perens distances himself from pixar [01:35] schestowitz-TR iirc, due to sexual abuses [01:35] schestowitz-TR which he doesn't want to associate with [01:35] schestowitz-TR since he kept pushing so hard how pixar was all awesome [01:35] schestowitz-TR and basing a lot of debian on pixar shilling [01:35] schestowitz-TR the mailing lists' hosting, code names, and more [01:36] MinceR lol [01:36] schestowitz-TR pixar movies were never that good [01:36] MinceR and debian went to shit [01:36] schestowitz-TR the effects were nice, but that was it [01:36] schestowitz-TR debian still works tbh [01:36] MinceR "works" [01:36] schestowitz-TR better than the "pure" IBM douche [01:36] *XRevan86 opens the list of Pixar films. [01:36] MinceR like windows [01:36] schestowitz-TR windows is miles worse [01:37] MinceR there isn't that much of a difference anymore [01:37] schestowitz-TR rianne uses debian [01:37] schestowitz-TR she finds the OS easy [01:37] MinceR my condolences [01:37] schestowitz-TR kde 5.22 [01:37] schestowitz-TR iirc [01:37] MinceR many people find windows and macos to be easy as well [01:37] schestowitz-TR she will wake up in a few hours at 5am... to bake veggie pie [01:37] MinceR doesn't mean either of them are worth trusting with anything serious [01:37] XRevan86 schestowitz: Is Inside Out not good for another thing? [01:38] schestowitz-TR ? [01:39] XRevan86 schestowitz: "pixar movies were never that good" [01:39] techrights-news RMS: " #Disney is reopening and rehiring old workers for less pay, no benefits, and worse conditions." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-may-aug.html#5_August_2021_(Disney_rehiring_workers) [01:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: May - August Political Notes - Richard Stallman [01:39] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: didn't watch it [01:39] schestowitz-TR I cannot name even one movie of theirs that I liked [01:40] schestowitz-TR I liked only the effects [01:40] schestowitz-TR which iirc they rendered on sun solaris [01:40] schestowitz-TR at least some unix in earlier days [01:41] techrights-news #intel now exploits #Olympics BS to sell BS 'tech'. Intel is a fossil. Get our while you can! http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [01:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [01:42] MinceR sadly, not a lot of choice of CPU vendors in sub-1kg laptops [01:42] techrights-news "I love showing real-world problems being solved through the use of shell scripting." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkXyXIs-ZMI #gnu #linux [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Want A List Of Your Keybindings? Write A Shell Script! - YouTube [01:43] schestowitz-TR MinceR: intel? [01:43] schestowitz-TR they tend to make HEAVIER thing [01:43] schestowitz-TR *things [01:43] MinceR yes, intel [01:44] schestowitz-TR i think my side laptop is about 1.5kg [01:44] schestowitz-TR which laptop is under 1kg [01:44] schestowitz-TR ? [01:44] schestowitz-TR and now tiny [01:44] MinceR my Asus ExpertBook B9 is 990g [01:44] schestowitz-TR *not [01:45] MinceR there's a 880g version, but naturally, you won't find that in hungary [01:45] schestowitz-TR 14 inches? [01:46] MinceR yes [01:46] schestowitz-TR seems bundled with Microsoft [01:46] MinceR in about the same footprint as the one Lenovo would normally put a 12.5" display in [01:46] schestowitz-TR also overpriced [01:46] MinceR yes, most laptops are bundled with microsoft [01:47] MinceR and it doesn't even have a CSM, but i could work around it [01:47] MinceR i have OpenBSD running on it [01:48] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@bk77nvfb9mb8u.irc) has joined #techrights [01:48] XRevan86 MinceR: "but i could work around it" hm? [01:49] schestowitz-TR MinceR: after paying for microsoft :-) [01:49] schestowitz-TR microsoft pays openbsd [01:50] MinceR schestowitz-TR: does that corrupt openbsd? [01:50] schestowitz-TR MinceR: thanks fof footing their bill (or Bill) [01:50] MinceR XRevan86: i disabled Restricted Boot and Void Linux and OpenBSD could boot that way [01:50] schestowitz-TR MinceR: the payment from Microsoft does [01:50] XRevan86 MinceR: Ah, so the obvious way, got it. [01:50] MinceR schestowitz-TR: so what do you suggest? [01:50] schestowitz-TR from you to Microsoft? Not sure [01:50] schestowitz-TR maybe pays SJVN and colleagues to write more Zemlin fluff [01:51] schestowitz-TR MinceR: non-Microsoft laptops [01:51] techrights-news "This page lists countries that regularly or admittedly apply surprising repressive laws to visiting foreigners, or egregiously violate the rights of people accused of crimes." https://stallman.org/stay-away-countries.html [01:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Repressive Countries To Stay Away From [01:51] techrights-news #Games: Godot Engine, Valve, and Vulkan support in Crostini http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154253 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Godot Engine, Valve, and Vulkan support in Crostini | Tux Machines [01:52] MinceR schestowitz-TR: who makes those? better question, who sells them in hungary? [01:52] techrights-news I dont like to solve maths-puzzles. I do like to read other folks solutions thought. You never know where to spot a new idiom." #rakulang #programming https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2021/08/07/they-returned-an-empty-package/ [01:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gfldex.wordpress.com | They returned an empty package | Playing Perl 6b6xA Raku [01:52] MinceR schestowitz-TR: remember, even EeePC-s were unavailable without windows in this shithole country [01:53] schestowitz-TR MinceR: I can imagine... [01:53] schestowitz-TR MinceR: alternative [01:53] schestowitz-TR (ours) [01:53] XRevan86 Both new laptops that I bought were with "Linpus". One of them didn't boot :). [01:53] schestowitz-TR look for second-hand [01:53] MinceR :) [01:53] schestowitz-TR and wipe [01:53] XRevan86 Not that anyone would want "Linpus" to boot. [01:54] MinceR well, i did buy a second-hand ThinkPad X60s and replaced its HDD with an SSD [01:54] MinceR but the fact that it can't handle more than ~2.5 GB RAM limits its usefulness [01:54] schestowitz-TR SSH is a kind of HDD [01:54] MinceR irrelevant [01:54] schestowitz-TR SSD [01:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: CD is a kind of floppy disc. [01:54] schestowitz-TR MinceR: only one machine here has more than 2gb of ram [01:55] MinceR also, it's not likely that i could get such a light laptop second hand [01:55] schestowitz-TR 1.7 in practice [01:55] MinceR and second hand doesn't really solve the issues anyway [01:55] schestowitz-TR where do you carry it? [01:55] MinceR backpack [01:55] kingoffrance lol disk used to be secondary storage. there all types of ram, volatile and non-volatile :) [01:55] schestowitz-TR I c... [01:55] kingoffrance *they're [01:55] XRevan86 I'd get "SSD is kind of flash drive" but "HDD"? In what way? Form factor? [01:55] schestowitz-TR I reckon those light ones are pricey to repair [01:56] kingoffrance maybe all types of memory better, random access has further connotations [01:56] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: magnetic disk and HDD not the same [01:56] XRevan86 "form factor" Even that's not true as NVMe SSDs get more traction. [01:56] schestowitz-TR HDD usually means immovable storage device, internak [01:56] schestowitz-TR that the bios will default to [01:57] XRevan86 schestowitz: HDD means "hard disc drive". [01:57] kingoffrance ram too, is non-volatile so long as you have power [01:57] XRevan86 because it has a disc that's hard inside. [01:57] XRevan86 HDD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Laptop-hard-drive-exposed.jpg [01:57] XRevan86 SSD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/SSD_Samsung_960_PRO_512GB_-_front_and_back_-_2018-05-27.jpg [01:58] MinceR another SSD: https://i0.wp.com/www.thessdreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Samsung-860-QVO-SATA-3-SSD-14.jpg?ssl=1 [01:59] psydruid > Ariadne: how many devs got burned by apple when they leapt between archs already? [01:59] psydruid > power, intel, m1 [01:59] psydruid you can run the very same (non-)GNU/Linux on all of them (with the exception of some of the later Intel models) ... in the short term and while other ARM (A710/X2/Nuvia) and RISC-V (SiFive/Xiangshan) hardware is in the pipeline [01:59] XRevan86 MinceR: Nothing wrong with that picture. [01:59] techrights-news "The issue of contacts showing as phone numbers only has been creating havoc on iOS for a long time now." #apple cannot get the basics right! https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-contact-names-showing-numbers-ios/ [01:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Fix Contact Names Not Showing, Appearing as Numbers in iOS - Make Tech Easier ● Aug 07 [02:00] MinceR i think apple-using "dev"s enjoy being burned [02:00] MinceR or at least the cognitive dissonance makes them go on [02:00] XRevan86 Pretty sure Ariadne doesn't care about the struggles of macOS users. [02:00] Ariadne i really don't [02:00] Ariadne i'm just patiently waiting for the kernel gpu driver to land [02:01] schestowitz-TR [02:00] i think apple-using "dev"s enjoy being burned [02:01] schestowitz-TR (me on a ramble) [02:01] Ariadne oh, and i guess a keyboard driver is still needed [02:01] Ariadne since they focus on mac mini right now [02:01] Ariadne which does not have a keyboard [02:01] MinceR lol [02:01] schestowitz-TR over the years I got burned like many others and promised myself to look ahead. meaning hardware, software and pother choices will be based not on impulse [02:02] schestowitz mac minis and many other "apple" things became trash very fast [02:02] schestowitz apple is rated one of the least "green" companies [02:02] MinceR yeah, they become trash before the design is completed [02:03] schestowitz partly based on a lack or recyclability [sic] [02:03] MinceR apple's "engineers" don't even know how antennas work [02:03] schestowitz apple is shit+marketing [02:03] schestowitz to me, apple is shit marketing [02:03] schestowitz without the plus [02:03] schestowitz they prey on insecurities [02:03] schestowitz they know their target crowd [02:04] schestowitz the 'grown ups' skip all that shit marketing [02:04] schestowitz and get shit down [02:04] schestowitz apple gets shit down... the loo [02:04] schestowitz we get shit done [02:04] schestowitz that's why the world runs linux/gpl [02:04] schestowitz not iOS [02:05] MinceR "the loo" -- is that what they call their customers' throats now? :> [02:05] schestowitz iOS is esoteric niche of the US 'boutique' [02:05] MinceR the world won't run linux for much longer, i suspect [02:05] schestowitz and some people they have managed to brainwash abroad [02:05] schestowitz in places like japan and western europe [02:05] schestowitz MinceR: no, it will not [02:05] schestowitz we will find or make lighter kernels [02:05] MinceR we'll have to [02:05] schestowitz techrights does not focus on linux [02:05] MinceR nobody understands this one [02:05] schestowitz it is a dying brand anyway [02:06] schestowitz torvalds will admit that when it's too late, and only to himself [02:06] schestowitz now they add water and rust to i [02:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.78 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 87.95 swarm size (avg): 278.89 [02:06] schestowitz while the pusher for it, google, pushes ANOTHER kernel [02:06] schestowitz an they concern-troll linux [02:06] schestowitz over "secrity" [02:06] schestowitz all of a suddent!!! [02:06] schestowitz all of a sudden!!! [02:07] schestowitz [20:41] #Google has the nerve to allege Linux it not secure after Google itself put #NSA -connected weakened #encryption (back door) inside #Linux https://hackaday.com/2021/08/06/this-week-in-security-insecure-chargers-request-forgeries-and-kernel-security/ [02:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This Week In Security: Insecure Chargers, Request Forgeries, And Kernel Security | Hackaday [02:07] schestowitz android has NO FLAWS [02:07] schestowitz all of them are in the kernel!! [02:07] schestowitz gmail is also perfect [02:07] schestowitz with all the spying [02:07] MinceR lol [02:07] schestowitz if only the kernel was in rusthub.microsoft.com [02:08] MinceR well, there's a flaw gkh&co were definitely trying to move into the kernel :> [02:08] schestowitz we need to call out those liars and frauds [02:08] schestowitz inc. mjg59_ [02:08] schestowitz total fraud [02:08] schestowitz disguesting person too [02:08] schestowitz amassing money now from proprietary sotftware company, not even pretending [02:08] schestowitz while talking to himself in twitter about how HE stands for free software [02:08] schestowitz while attacking the GPL [02:08] schestowitz helping Microsoft Github [02:08] schestowitz with copilot apologetics [02:09] schestowitz and forking linux in shithub [02:09] schestowitz attacking torvalds [02:09] schestowitz attacking rms [02:09] schestowitz total troll [02:09] schestowitz it's profitable [02:10] schestowitz history won't view these people kindly [02:10] schestowitz anyway, techrights talks about issues more than about brands [02:10] MinceR if there will be a history [02:10] schestowitz brands chase all the time [02:10] schestowitz limo, meego, maemo, tizen.. [02:10] schestowitz MinceR: until the nuclear war [02:10] schestowitz the magnetic drives will survive these better [02:11] schestowitz with ssd you lose data if there's no charge for a while [02:11] schestowitz they make machines that become unusable if not fully charged [02:11] schestowitz and they tell you to throw them away and buy new ones after a few years anyway [02:11] psydruid > could be dutch maybe [02:11] psydruid > or flemish [02:11] psydruid Danish [02:11] schestowitz disposables 2.0 [02:12] schestowitz psydruid: the Danes use accents for it [02:12] psydruid Jeg snakker dansk, norsk og litt svensk [02:12] kingoffrance oh, there will always be a history, just who writes it :) [02:12] XRevan86 Both times my HDDs died it was when I was away for a while. [02:13] schestowitz one day the microsoft propaganda sites will all perish and be offline [02:13] psydruid schestowitz, , and are valid characters in Danish [02:13] schestowitz we need to outllive these [02:13] schestowitz almost all the novell propaganda is offline now [02:13] psydruid and by extension Norwegian [02:13] schestowitz some have noticed http://techrights.org/2019/04/14/ronald-hovsepian-vs-techrights/ [02:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Poor (Multi-Millionaire) Novell CEO, Who Colluded With Steve Ballmer Against GNU/Linux, is Trying to Censor Techrights | Techrights [02:14] schestowitz Christel Dahlskjr [02:15] XRevan86 Is Christel still avoiding The Topic? [02:15] psydruid yes, it's definitely not Dutch or German [02:15] schestowitz Dahl [02:15] schestowitz very common [02:16] psydruid the kjr gives it away [02:16] XRevan86 Christel is affiliated with LTM and PIA by the way. [02:16] schestowitz Schestau estov [02:17] schestowitz XRevan86: still?? [02:17] XRevan86 schestowitz: Don't know about still, I just noticed that she's been involved much deeper than just freenode. [02:19] XRevan86 https://privateinternetaccess.com/blog/the-continually-evolving-fight-for-freedom/ like this post is by her [02:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | The continually evolving fight for freedom PIA VPN Blog [02:19] XRevan86 And her email is (was?) at londontrustmedia com [02:21] schestowitz they have many bloggers [02:21] schestowitz inc. glyn moody [02:21] schestowitz freenode asked me to write for them [02:22] schestowitz i decelined [02:22] schestowitz "On the back of our announcement yesterday and the various media coverage relating to the upcoming merger acquisition with Kape Technologies, I wanted to take a moment to address the concern some of you have about our intent going forward, and whether this move means that we are no longer focused on privacy." [02:22] XRevan86 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2019-June/msg00004.html also popped up [02:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mail.gnome.org | Fwd: Board of Directors Elections 2019 - Candidacy - ChristelDahlskjaer [02:22] schestowitz From: Christel Dahlskjaer [02:22] XRevan86 "Chief Communications Officer" and both affiliations in the signature. [02:22] schestowitz "I am an avid privacy advocate and my day job keeps me at the intersection of tech and human rights. [02:23] schestowitz but this is 2 years olkd [02:23] XRevan86 yes [02:23] XRevan86 I just wasn't aware that her integration into Andrew Lee's enterprises went that far. [02:23] schestowitz maybe lee bought freenode by virtue of just hiring its owner [02:23] schestowitz not impossible [02:24] XRevan86 schestowitz: He literally said he did. [02:24] schestowitz " [02:24] XRevan86 I guess that's what that meant. [02:24] schestowitz These guiding principles can be found at https://investors.kape.com/about-us and I also include an excerpt here: [02:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-investors.kape.com | About Us Kape Technologies plc [02:24] schestowitz 1. Zero Secrecy openness as a guiding force we believe that an organisation cannot ensure privacy for others without being open and transparent itself. [02:24] schestowitz " [02:24] schestowitz Casino companies promising transparency is a long shot [02:25] schestowitz "Going forward, Private Internet Access and Kape Technologies will be bound by these eight guiding principles in absolutely everything that we do.' [02:25] schestowitz That does not describe what happened to freenode [02:25] schestowitz "Zero Secrecy " [02:25] schestowitz LOL [02:25] schestowitz ". 100% Customer first " [02:25] schestowitz LMAO [02:25] schestowitz ask FSF and Slackware for details [02:25] schestowitz " Zero Theater " [02:26] XRevan86 schestowitz: The Christel's side of things has remained to be the big mystery here. [02:26] schestowitz ". 100% Honesty" [02:26] schestowitz we don't even get notified before freenode is about to break something [02:26] XRevan86 Lee's and staffers' motivations and position are more or less clear. [02:26] schestowitz not consulted, not notified [02:27] schestowitz https://netsplit.de/networks/top100.php [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [02:27] schestowitz freenode delisted [02:28] schestowitz-TR so sad in a sense [02:28] schestowitz-TR but... [02:28] schestowitz-TR inevitable [02:28] schestowitz-TR fact of life [02:28] schestowitz-TR nobody lasts forerever [02:28] schestowitz-TR people, companies... [02:28] XRevan86 schestowitz: Andreas probably had it with freenode causing trouble for netsplit.de [02:29] schestowitz-TR if you are not in full control, someone else will decide end of life, based on consideration other than your own [02:29] schestowitz-TR deferring the exit costs and complexity is can-kicking exercise [02:29] schestowitz-TR like technical debt [02:30] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: I was thinking the same [02:30] schestowitz-TR the site was getting attention for vengeanace [02:30] schestowitz-TR vengeance [02:31] XRevan86 schestowitz: No, I mean, now freenode needs TLS and SASL just to show the usercount and such, depending on how the bot are written that can require a rewrite from netsplit.de [02:31] XRevan86 * the bots [02:32] techrights-news Criticise #mozilla #firefox direction, get censored http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-060821.html#tAug%2006%2008:06:48 [02:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, August 06, 2021 [02:34] techrights-news #covid19 still circulating amid and across hallways of our regime (testing positive). Our arrogant Pry Minister refuses to self-isolate while his insane policies kill 100 per day. #uk under #tories ... sheer lunacy. [02:35] techrights-news "since #hackernews is so broken" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-060821.html#tAug%2006%2022:49:04 #censorship #mozilla #firefox [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, August 06, 2021 [02:36] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [02:36] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/06/your_computer_is_on_fire_review/ [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Your Computer Is On Fire, but it will take much more than this book to put it out The Register [02:36] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-060821.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-060821.txt Read the log now... 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HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-060821.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-060821.txt Read the log now... [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, August 06, 2021 [02:40] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-08-06.txt [02:42] techrights-news Too many BS sites presenting #vista11 like it's something that 1) already exists, final etc. 2) not just a marketing slant/media propaganda campaign to rebrand #vista10 -- a failing OS. #corruptMedia is self-flagging itself... [02:45] techrights-news More customers. https://www.thedailystar.net/health/disease/coronavirus/news/covid-19-vaccine-costly-dilemma-over-pregnant-women-2141611 #patents #monopolies [02:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailystar.net | Covid-19 Vaccine: A costly dilemma over pregnant women? | The Daily Star [02:46] DaemonFC I ordered a pass for the toll road finally. [02:46] DaemonFC It was just causing too much frustration trying to avoid it. [02:46] techrights-news What a dumb headline https://coconuts.co/jakarta/food-drink/is-that-a-6-inch-sub-or-are-you-just-excited-by-the-rumor-that-subway-is-returning-to-indonesia/ [02:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coconuts.co | Is that a 6-inch sub, or are you just excited by the rumor that Subway is returning to Indonesia? | Coconuts Jakarta [02:47] techrights-news Learning bloat is NOT learning #programming https://programminginsider.com/everything-you-should-know-about-react-the-basics-you-need-to-start-building/ #facebook #javascript #bloatware [02:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-programminginsider.com | Everything You Should Know About React: The Basics You Need to Start Building - Programming Insider [02:49] techrights-news Hey. CORY @DOCTOROW writing about #TechRights ... thanks, Cory ;-) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/tech-rights-are-workers-rights-doordash-edition [02:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Tech Rights Are Workers' Rights: Doordash Edition | Electronic Frontier Foundation [02:52] techrights-news "It would create a new digital safety commissioner, who would have the authority to send inspectors into workplaces and homes to search for documents, software, and information." https://www.hilltimes.com/2021/08/06/a-slippery-slope-liberals-proposed-online-harms-bill-raises-serious-privacy-free-speech-concerns-say-experts/310513 [02:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hilltimes.com | A slippery slope: Liberals proposed online harms bill raises serious privacy, free speech concerns, say experts - The Hill Times [02:54] techrights-news #gatesfoundation 2002: let's say we use money to help children. Gates Foundation 2021: we use money to cover up for #billgates helping out a network that traffics children for sex (Epstein): http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ [02:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights [02:56] techrights-news #billgates fainted over this article (because he knew he was rightly in trouble and that's when his wife wanted a divorce, according to credible press reports) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [02:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times [02:57] techrights-news #billgates used to visit #nytimes to 'supervise' their reports about himself and #microsoft (2010) http://techrights.org/2010/02/05/nyt-and-microsoft-lobbying/ [02:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Microsoft Revisionism from the New York Times, Courtesy of Former Microsoft Employee | Techrights [02:59] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I'm considering just taking the train on my upcoming trip. It's about 200 miles round trip and it doesn't link up precisely and it's not quite meant to be used that way. ● Aug 07 [03:00] DaemonFC It's basically using two different commuter systems instead of Amtrak. [03:00] schestowitz https://twitter.com/jrbrtson/status/1423731746986766337 [03:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrbrtson: @schestowitz You know freedom of speech is under attack when they want Richard Stallman cancelled from talking at events. [03:01] schestowitz https://twitter.com/gnarlin2/status/1423713253729918980 [03:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnarlin2: @schestowitz Is this true? Are the people who fought RMS in FSF out? Will RMS regain is status as president of FSF? [03:01] schestowitz https://twitter.com/alsmyth/status/1423587375201009669 [03:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alsmyth: 'having encouraged his girlfriend to behead her parents' WTF? These types need dropping in the sea, on fire, conc https://t.co/EOTnCG5k5o [03:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alsmyth: 'having encouraged his girlfriend to behead her parents' WTF? These types need dropping in the sea, on fire, conc https://t.co/EOTnCG5k5o [03:06] techrights-news Discussion about who truly owns/owned #freenode http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-060821.html#tAug%2006%2022:57:46 #irc #internet [03:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, August 06, 2021 [03:07] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.25 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 34.41 swarm size (avg): 278.83 [03:08] techrights-news The fish died a day ago after 10 months. :/ http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Techrights-Birthday-14-Years/20201005_200410 [03:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | 20201005 200410 [03:09] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 63317 total Total pages: 36987 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 1 months 29 days ago [03:09] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 1.6 GB TotalOut: 450 MB [03:09] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:10] techrights-news #techrights Gemini pages to exceed 37,000 some time this weekend, inc. the wiki. 63k views so far this month. [03:11] techrights-ipfs-bot QmSWfDrRGYcLy39sAw1ufjzyZqmJSUhgxqCS1mGSB3cgvL [03:13] techrights-news "But in the case of Recore, the processor is a four-core ARM A53 SoC running #Debian #GNU #Linux an arrangement that itself could well serve as an automated test computer in other projects." https://hackaday.com/2021/08/05/vintage-test-equipment-addiction-justified/ [03:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vintage Test Equipment Addiction Justified | Hackaday [03:14] techrights-news "Until version 2.3, #Magento Open Source (OS) users relied on the #database to manage catalog #search queries out of the box. However, the default database search offered limited functionality and wasnt scalable." https://programminginsider.com/a-complete-magento-2-elasticsearch-configuration-tutorial/ [03:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-programminginsider.com | A Complete Magento 2 Elasticsearch Configuration Tutorial - Programming Insider [03:15] techrights-news GNU #GIMP second from top https://www.investopedia.com/best-photo-editing-software-5194635 #gnu #freesw [03:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.investopedia.com | Best Photo Editing Software of 2021 [03:18] techrights-news #apple pretends that proponents of #privacy and opponents of mass #surveillance / #backdoors are pedophiles or something. If you continue to buy Apple, there's something wrong with you. #boycottApple https://www.osnews.com/story/133799/apple-critics-of-continuous-iphone-photo-scanning-are-screeching-voices-of-the-minority/ [03:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple: critics of continuous iPhone photo scanning are screeching voices of the minority OSnews [03:18] kingoffrance well thats a good thing. politicians who dont want to be camerad are all pedophiles [03:19] techrights-news It was not #microsoft that reported a pedophile working at the home of #billgates ... #google did. http://techrights.org/2020/06/23/engineer-of-bill-gates/ [03:19] kingoffrance the tune always changes when politicians have to play by their own rules [03:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Probable Case of Child Exploitation (Sexual Abuse) Facilitated by People Other Than Rick Allen Jones, the Engineer of Bill Gates | Techrights [03:20] techrights-news Bill Gates Personal Engineer Rick Jones is Connected to Other Child Pornographers. One Key Contact Works (or Worked) Indirectly for Microsoft. http://techrights.org/2020/08/03/seattle-pd-report-and-magichour/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/03/seattle-pd-report-and-magichour/ [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Personal Engineer Rick Jones is Connected to Other Child Pornographers. One Key Contact Works (or Worked) Indirectly for Microsoft. | Techrights [03:21] techrights-news What a Smoking Gun Would Look Like http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/search-for-smoking-guns/ #Techrights #billgates #epstein | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/06/25/search-for-smoking-guns/ [03:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What a Smoking Gun Would Look Like | Techrights [03:25] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:26] techrights-news #billgates propaganda machine (taking bribes from Ford Founation, Rockefeller Foundation, Gates Foundation etc.) pretending to 'stick it' to the rich. Check instead the spendings of PSG? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/05/the-fiver-manchester-city-harry-kane-jack-grealish-villa-spurs [03:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | 10% inspiration, 40% perspiration and 50% obliteration through spending | Soccer | The Guardian [03:27] techrights-news In relative terms, #mancity is far from the worst (or among worst) culprits/offenders in terms of "financial doping" [03:28] techrights-news #theguardian is one of the very few sites banned by #techrights for taking bribes from the super-rich to indoctrinate the masses, esp. "the left" (by faking it) [03:30] techrights-news But will #Indonesia quit setting itself on fire for #palmoil 'efficiency'? If not, this is a drop in a #greenwashing ocean at best. Still a source of smog/pollution for its neighbours too. https://jakartaglobe.id/business/indonesia-begins-construction-of-se-asias-largest-solar-power-plant [03:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jakartaglobe.id | Indonesia Begins Construction of SE Asia's Largest Solar Power Plant [03:31] techrights-news #Indonesia "Reports 35,764 Covid Cases and 1,739 Deaths in 24 Hours" - Media. Does that say something about the efficacy of the vaccine from #china (or put differently, how many among the dead got it and what are the median ages?) [03:33] techrights-news Wanna bet grifters will pocket MOST of this money while not at all helping the real victims of coronavirus? Maybe the people who approved this budget will convert it into bonuses (for themselves!) https://labusinessjournal.com/news/2021/aug/05/lendistry-1-billion-small-business-covid-relief/ [03:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-labusinessjournal.com | Lendistry to Administer $1.5 Billion in Covid-19 Relief | Los Angeles Business Journal [03:34] DaemonFC Well, I think that pedophiles deserve whatever happens to them in court, and frankly, usually, worse than what they get in court. [03:34] schestowitz-TR can you get us those court docs? [03:34] schestowitz-TR we'd pay for the trouble/fees [03:34] DaemonFC But I can't condone the breach of privacy that Apple and perhaps other companies are doing with things like the iPhone. [03:34] schestowitz-TR it's not about pedophiles [03:34] DaemonFC The police should simply have to catch them some other way. [03:34] schestowitz-TR it's about having an eye on everything [03:34] DaemonFC They'll start with pedophiles because nobody likes them. [03:35] schestowitz-TR they don't just scan the "bad" files [03:35] schestowitz-TR they can EVERYTHING [03:35] DaemonFC And then they'll do it to more and more people once the system is in place. [03:35] schestowitz-TR *scan [03:35] DaemonFC Then if you complain about it, people will attack you and accuse you of being a criminal because you don't want some company scanning your files and handing over anything the government wants. [03:35] schestowitz-TR yes [03:35] schestowitz-TR old tricks [03:36] DaemonFC The police have caught many of them using actual police work, like baiting them into trying to hook up with a minor and then finding a trove of CP on their phone while they were there anyway. [03:37] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, To be honest, there's nothing stopping Windows from doing the same thing the iPhone will. [03:38] DaemonFC Microsoft Defender sends hash values of everything on your computer to Microsoft. [03:38] techrights-news Dear #corporateMedia bribed by #billgates : STOP POSTING ARTICLES ENTITLED "FAST FACTS"! You're harming the word "facts" (they do the samer to #assange all the time!). You equate that word with revisionism and lies. This helps nobody but your sponsor, Bill. (Who reportedly "fainted" over people finding out actual facts about him) [03:38] DaemonFC They know what you have already and they never say they won't get rid of it after a set amount of time. [03:38] schestowitz-TR I was not suggesting Windows was better [03:39] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Part of what makes Edge so annoying is "Potentially Unwanted Apps" "protection". [03:39] schestowitz-TR maybe the media misleads by omission [03:39] DaemonFC Many times, it just randomly deletes things like QBittorrent updates because they're too new to have a "reputation" yet. [03:39] schestowitz-TR all this clown computing stuff is about taking everything away from citizens [03:39] DaemonFC It's aggravating. [03:39] schestowitz-TR "phones", laptops, servers... [03:39] DaemonFC I had it delete a help pack for LibreOffice even. [03:39] schestowitz-TR quit using Windows [03:40] schestowitz-TR and screenshot these abuses if you use it [03:40] schestowitz-TR post it in your blog [03:40] DaemonFC It's so fucking aggravating. [03:40] DaemonFC Yeah, the next time it does that, I'll document it. [03:40] DaemonFC It happens all the time, so it shouldn't take long. [03:40] schestowitz-TR it is usually disguised as "updates" or "secutity" [03:40] schestowitz-TR "you'd better... or else" [03:41] schestowitz-TR media just chose to focus on apple [03:41] schestowitz-TR of course google and microsoft do the same [03:41] DaemonFC Downloads QBittorrent and LibreOffice....Microsoft Defender: "AWOOGA! AWOOGA!!!! RED ALERT! SHIELDS TO MAXIMUM!". [03:41] schestowitz-TR and have done for ages [03:41] DaemonFC Also Microsoft Defender: "This RAT that you got with that pirate video game is fine.". [03:41] schestowitz-TR it does what it says [03:41] schestowitz-TR it defends Windows... monopoly [03:41] schestowitz-TR you put it at risk [03:42] schestowitz-TR it's defending microsoft from you [03:42] schestowitz-TR wait till they do more site blocking [03:42] schestowitz-TR clownflare and aws already make it easier, the latter at the root [03:42] DaemonFC I went to run the latest installer for QBittorrent and Defender said it was a trojan and even made up a name for it. [03:43] DaemonFC So I plopped it in VirusTotal and 47 other antivirus programs said it was clean. [03:44] techrights-news #ibm : we are doing fine! We're lowering labour-related expenses. https://www.freepressjournal.in/business/ibm-to-set-up-software-lab-in-kerala-cm-pinarayi-vijayan-hails-decision [03:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freepressjournal.in | IBM to set up software lab in Kerala; CM Pinarayi Vijayan hails decision [03:46] techrights-news OpenMandriva, PCLinuxOS, and Mageia experiences http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com/2021/08/some-issues-and-challenges.html [03:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com | Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Some Issues and Challenges [03:47] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, https://i.imgur.com/8E17wqC.jpg [03:48] techrights-news SlashDotNet linking to #microsoft connected Arse [sic] Technica (whose Microsoft operative was arrested for anally raping children), which in turn props up Microsoft #swpats traps inside #linux ... stay classy. WTH is wrong with the media? https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/08/06/2249244/paragon-is-working-to-get-its-nfs3-filesystem-into-the-linux-kernel [03:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Paragon Is Working To Get Its nfs3 Filesystem Into the Linux Kernel - Slashdot [03:49] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Microsoft pushed an engine update. [03:49] DaemonFC Now the file shows up as safe. [03:50] techrights-news #microsoft #windows Defender now defends Microsoft #monopoly by removing people's applications for torrents, #libreoffice etc. And they want this ported over and installed on GNU/Linux. What could possibly go wrong??? https://i.imgur.com/8E17wqC.jpg [03:52] schestowitz-TR thanks [03:52] schestowitz-TR wise to always screenshot to document things [03:52] schestowitz-TR as others experience the same issues [03:52] schestowitz-TR but likely would never report or produce proof [03:53] techrights-news Seeing that #corporateMedia is ATM helping #billgates with his lies and revisionism, I shall post some older links of relevance. About a dozen hand picked. [03:54] techrights-news According to the Wall Street Journal, Bill Gatess Relationship with Jeffrey Epstein Caused the Bill-Melinda Divorce (While the Media Deflected to Dr. Stallman, Using a Phony Scandal) http://techrights.org/2021/05/10/melinda-sickened-by-bill/ #Techrights #billgates #epstein #sex | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/10/melinda-sickened-by-bill/ [03:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | According to the Wall Street Journal, Bill Gatess Relationship with Jeffrey Epstein Caused the Bill-Melinda Divorce (While the Media Deflected to Dr. Stallman, Using a Phony Scandal) | Techrights [03:55] techrights-news The Latest Reports About Bill Gates Serve to Confirm or at Least Reaffirm Many Peoples Suspicions http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/reports-about-bill-gates/ #Techrights #billgates #epstein #sex | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/07/reports-about-bill-gates/ [03:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Latest Reports About Bill Gates Serve to Confirm or at Least Reaffirm Many Peoples Suspicions | Techrights [03:55] techrights-news Latest Tim Schwab Investigative Report on Bill Gates Explores His Latest Vaccine Profiteering Drive http://techrights.org/2020/10/06/bill-gates-profiteering/ #Techrights #billgates #epstein #sex [03:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Latest Tim Schwab Investigative Report on Bill Gates Explores His Latest Vaccine Profiteering Drive | Techrights [03:56] techrights-news Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ #Techrights #billgates #epstein #sex | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ [03:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights [03:57] techrights-news Published One Year Ago Today: The Real MIT Scandal (Before Attention Was Shifted Entirely to Richard Stallman) http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-real-mit-scandal/ #Techrights #billgates #epstein #sex [03:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Published One Year Ago Today: The Real MIT Scandal (Before Attention Was Shifted Entirely to Richard Stallman) | Techrights [03:57] techrights-news Inside the Free Software Foundation (FSF) - Part VIII: Bill Gates Quietly Leaves Microsoft and Media Focuses Again on His Abuses (Instead of Richard Stallman) http://techrights.org/2020/03/18/rms-and-unseen-article-pd/ #Techrights #gnu #billgates #epstein #sex | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/03/18/rms-and-unseen-article-pd/ [03:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the Free Software Foundation (FSF) Part VIII: Bill Gates Quietly Leaves Microsoft and Media Focuses Again on His Abuses (Instead of Richard Stallman) | Techrights [03:58] techrights-news Mansion of Pedophilia - Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ #Techrights#gnu #billgates #epstein #sex | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ [03:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights [03:59] techrights-news Mansion of Pedophilia Part IX: Arrest for Pedophilia Made, Conviction (Guilty Plea) Affirmed, and Search Conducted While the Pedophile Was at the Home of #BillGates http://techrights.org/2020/02/02/pedophilia-location-identified/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/02/02/pedophilia-location-identified/ [03:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part IX: Arrest for Pedophilia Made, Conviction (Guilty Plea) Affirmed, and Search Conducted While the Pedophile Was at the Home of Bill Gates | Techrights ● Aug 07 [04:00] techrights-news The mainstream media has already proven using hard facts and concrete, undeniable evidence the countless visits/meetings, the flights and the long-denied #billgates #epstein link http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/search-for-smoking-guns/ [04:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What a Smoking Gun Would Look Like | Techrights [04:01] techrights-news Vandana Shiva: #BillGates is Continuing the Work of Monsanto http://techrights.org/2020/01/23/vandana-shiva-bill-gates/ #Techrights #GMO #patent #monopoly | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/01/23/vandana-shiva-bill-gates/ [04:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Vandana Shiva: Bill Gates is Continuing the Work of Monsanto | Techrights [04:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [04:01] techrights-news If you still think #billgates is a nice person (and he is NOT paying you to think so), you have lots of catching up to do... http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique [04:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [04:03] techrights-news #twitter should not have accepted this money. Would it have also done "promoted tweets" from Jeff Epstein? http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ [04:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights [04:03] techrights-news "I continue to be the Chief GNUisance of the #GNU Project. This is my long-term commitment and I plan to continue. Support me against a campaign of hatred" https://stallman.org/ [04:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal Page [04:05] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, August 06, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:06] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.05 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 94.08 swarm size (avg): 278.78 [04:07] techrights-news Why #vista11 PR onslaught (bribed media with #vapourware placements 24/7 for 2-3 weeks)? Windows market share slipping below 30% and all sorts of #microsoft and #gatesfoundation scandals/blunders to distract from. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202108 [04:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global Stats [04:09] techrights-news If you are angry that #apple puts back doors in its operating systems for the government, then just remember that #google and #microsoft do exactly the same. They don't give a damn about you. State and army first... you're just a subject to them. Stop paying them. [04:11] techrights-news Jimmy [04:12] psydruid https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide#monthly-200901-202108 [04:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global Stats [04:12] techrights-news #billbc has become little but a for-profit #propaganda front which learned NOTHING since its #coverup for Jimmy Savile. It'll happen again and again until it won't recover and won't be seen as worth saving anymore. Don't pay #tvlicence either (giving away the TV set/s makes this perfectly legal). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/jimmy-savile-report-stuart-hall-bbc-employees-who-knew-about-sexual-predators-a6896246.ht [04:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/jimmy-savile-report-stuart-hall-bbc-employees-who-knew-about-sexual-predators-a6896246.ht ) [04:12] psydruid 8% "unknown" [04:12] schestowitz-TR unknown version of windows? ;-0) [04:13] psydruid I doubt it, but you always have those people who keep clinging to it [04:14] schestowitz those stats have lots of caveats [04:14] psydruid and it still doesn't matter, because windows's share of the overall market is still declining [04:14] schestowitz however, they do remind people that mobile devices are used more and more over time [04:14] schestowitz for better or wose [04:14] schestowitz mostly worse [04:15] schestowitz psydruid: what would wsl count as? [04:15] schestowitz surely windows [04:15] schestowitz because that's what it is [04:15] schestowitz anyway, nobody uses it [04:15] schestowitz it's a niche product [04:15] schestowitz some failed project [04:15] schestowitz barely even mentioned anymore [04:15] schestowitz they cannot compel people to try this crap [04:15] schestowitz like Shells.com [04:16] schestowitz they rely more on sabotage [04:16] schestowitz like making harder the installation of gnu/linux [04:16] schestowitz or even just booting a live CD [04:16] psydruid I am not totally against mobile devices, but I think we have lived through the first wave of android and iOS devices with more open devices running free software operating systems taking their place [04:16] psydruid yes [04:16] schestowitz with corporate operatives like mjg59_ doing the vandalism [04:17] psydruid even making gnu/linux harder to install isn't going to work [04:17] schestowitz psydruid: the mobility part might be ok if you can truly turn off the network [04:17] psydruid I'll just buy more non-x86 hardware [04:17] schestowitz yeah [04:17] schestowitz so now tpm [04:17] schestowitz no reason to get vista 11 [04:17] schestowitz except to add more restrictions [04:18] schestowitz i need to get a nap soon [04:18] psydruid and I've been getting some experience porting x86 assembly code to ARM, RISC and DeadPOWER [04:18] schestowitz we make pies at 5:30 [04:18] psydruid oh, I already slept [04:18] schestowitz I only wrote one article yesterday :(( [04:18] schestowitz tbh, I lack topics [04:18] psydruid after getting my second jab yesterday [04:18] schestowitz so am open to suggestions [04:19] schestowitz psydruid: good [04:19] psydruid as terrible as the first one [04:19] schestowitz we are home workers, so we are more choosy for the time being [04:19] schestowitz today we have city back in play [04:19] psydruid I was too, but my mom insisted on me getting them [04:20] psydruid charity shield [04:20] schestowitz maybe jack g will play some minutes too, then lift a first trophy [04:20] psydruid I know [04:20] schestowitz community shield [04:20] schestowitz a charity, yes [04:20] psydruid oh right [04:21] psydruid I should probably try to go back to sleep too [04:21] techrights-news Over 10k #covid19 deaths tallied yesterday. Peaked around winter time at 17k. This coming winter will be worse... [04:23] techrights-news Since the #borisnaro experiment started #uk has been worst at #covid19 combat... in the whole of #europe ... and he was forewarned by experts http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/07/20/mass-infection/ [04:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Mass infection is not an option: we must do more to protect our young [04:24] techrights-news Today #borisnaro will stuff #wembley again for a #communityshield variant. Watch and spread a virus for "charity" http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/30/wembley-losing-control-of-covid/ [04:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Britain Lost in Wembley [04:29] schestowitz-TR psydruid: oops, posted some tweets into the wrong channel [04:29] schestowitz-TR 'tweets' [04:29] schestowitz-TR posts, copied automatically to twitter [04:29] schestowitz-TR I try to keep it off here [04:30] schestowitz-TR anyway, some people still have the luxury of perpetual isolation until they make robust soluitions [04:38] techrights-news #ibm steps in, #redhat #fedora drops 32-bit Linux. IBM doesn't care about #gnu #linux communities and old hardware that it is unable to 'monetise'. Remember that. This is why they attack GPL/FSF/RMS/Free software. 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We know which companies censor and AstroTurf there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwMq3P8gDB4 #microsoft also got caught: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/AstroTurfing [05:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ResearchGIVE ME THE TECH NEWS!!! - YouTube [05:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | AstroTurfing - Techrights [05:52] techrights-news Arduino powered 5-key keypad includes a rotary encoder - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/08/07/arduino-powered-5-key-keypad-rotary-encoder/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/07/#latest [05:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Arduino powered 5-key keypad includes a rotary encoder - CNX Software [05:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts ● Aug 07 [06:00] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [06:01] techrights-news This Chart Explains or Helps Explain Why #Microsoft Invoked Version Inflation (+1) for Vista 10 and Then Bombarded the Media With Paid-for Churnalism http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/windows-monopoly-waning/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/07/windows-monopoly-waning/ [06:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | This Chart Explains or Helps Explain Why Microsoft Invoked Version Inflation (+1) for Vista 10 and Then Bombarded the Media With Paid-for Churnalism | Techrights [06:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 46.01 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 83.90 swarm size (avg): 278.65 [06:16] techrights-news [Meme] Today in Tech Rights http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/tech-rights/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/07/tech-rights/ [06:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Today in Tech Rights | Techrights [06:54] psydruid "because where were 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Techrights [08:58] techrights-news This week in KDE: Stability http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154255 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Stability | Tux Machines ● Aug 07 [09:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:00] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:01] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [09:01] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [09:02] techrights-news Top 14 Podcast Tools best free podcast software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154256 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:02] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154257 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:03] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154257 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 14 Podcast Tools best free podcast software | Tux Machines [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:05] techrights-news NEWS #DataSwamp #BSD Register multiples wifi networks on #OpenBSD https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-08-05-openbsd-wifi-list.html [09:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dataswamp.org | Solene'% : Register multiples wifi networks on OpenBSD [09:06] schestowitz-TR psydroid_: thanks [09:06] schestowitz-TR I was tired [09:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.01 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 81.45 swarm size (avg): 278.44 [09:06] *Snuupy5 (~Snuupy@user/snuupy) has joined #techrights [09:06] *bleb has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [09:07] techrights-news NEWS #OilShell #Shell Unix Shell: History and Trivia https://www.oilshell.org/blog/2021/08/history-trivia.html [09:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oilshell.org | Unix Shell: History and Trivia [09:07] *Snuupy has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [09:07] *Snuupy5 is now known as Snuupy [09:07] techrights-news NEWS #PortSwigger #Standards HTTP/2: The Sequel is Always Worse https://portswigger.net/research/http2 [09:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portswigger.net | HTTP/2: The Sequel is Always Worse | PortSwigger Research [09:08] *bleb (~cm@user/bleb) has joined #techrights [09:09] techrights-news #LatteDock v0.10.0 | Official Stable Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154254 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latte Dock v0.10.0 | Official Stable Release | Tux Machines [09:09] *CParadoxum_ (~quassel@m4gsqtdgyy73q.irc) has joined #techrights [09:10] techrights-news NEWS #Joinup #de #germany German health professionals will communicate with each other through the #freesw Matrix protocol https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/german-health-system-adopts-matrix [09:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | German health system adopts Matrix | Joinup [09:12] techrights-news NEWS #Joonas #Security SAML is insecure by design https://joonas.fi/2021/08/saml-is-insecure-by-design/ [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SAML is insecure by design | joonas.fi [09:14] techrights-news NEWS #Bloomberg #Privacy #Surveillance #Twitter Judge Rejects Early Escape From Youth Exploitation Suit https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-06/twitter-judge-rejects-early-escape-from-youth-exploitation-suit [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [09:14] techrights-news NEWS #Gizmodo #Privacy #Surveillance Zoom's $85 Million Settlement Won't Change a Thing, but It Could Get You a Refund https://gizmodo.com/zooms-85-million-settlement-wont-change-a-thing-but-i-1847406830 [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Here's What Zoom's $85 Million Settlement Actually Means [09:15] techrights-news NEWS #IndiaToday #Privacy #Surveillance Zoom to pay $85 million in settlements for false #encryption claims, sharing user data with #Facebook and Google https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/zoom-to-pay-85-million-in-settlements-for-false-encryption-claims-sharing-user-data-with-facebook-and-google-1836586-2021-08-04 [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indiatoday.in | Zoom to pay $85 million in settlements for false encryption claims, sharing user data with Facebook and Google - Technology News [09:15] *inky_afk (~inky@188.115.244.252) has joined #techrights [09:17] techrights-news NEWS #CBS #Privacy #Surveillance #Zoom Agrees To $85 Million Settlement Over Failure to Protect Users Privacy https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/08/03/zoom-agrees-to-85-million-settlement-over-failure-to-protect-users-privacy/ [09:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com | Zoom Agrees To $85 Million Settlement Over Failure to Protect Users Privacy CBS San Francisco [09:18] techrights-news NEWS #MacObserver #Privacy #Surveillance #Zoom to Pay $85 Million Over #Encryption , Sending User Data https://www.macobserver.com/news/zoom-pay-85-million/ [09:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macobserver.com | Zoom to Pay $85 Million Over Encryption, Sending User Data - The Mac Observer [09:18] techrights-news NEWS #India #Privacy #Surveillance #Zoom Raked In Revenue While It Lied About #Encryption And Sent Your Data To #Facebook https://www.news18.com/news/tech/zoom-raked-in-revenue-while-it-lied-about-encryption-and-sent-your-data-to-facebook-4047815.html [09:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.news18.com | Zoom Lied About Encryption And Sent Your Data To Facebook While Revenue Soared [09:34] techrights-news NEWS #NPR #Misinformation #Disinformation #NYU Researchers Were Studying Disinformation On #Facebook . The Company Cut Them Off https://text.npr.org/1024791053 [09:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | NYU Researchers Were Studying Disinformation On Facebook. The Company Cut Them Off [09:34] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #Misinformation #Disinformation Theres a better way for #Facebook to resolve its fight with #NYU researchers https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/6/22613525/facebook-nyu-research-ban-cambridge-analytica-platformer [09:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Theres a better way for Facebook to resolve its fight with NYU researchers - The Verge [09:35] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #Misinformation #Disinformation #Facebook s justification for banning third-party researchers inaccurate, says FTC https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/6/22612545/facebook-banned-third-party-researchers-inaccurate-says-ftc [09:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Facebooks justification for banning third-party researchers inaccurate, says FTC - The Verge [09:35] techrights-news NEWS #TheWashingtonPost #Misinformation #Disinformation #FTC rejects Facebooks justification for cutting off researchers as inaccurate https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/05/facebook-nyu-ftc-dispute/ [09:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | FTC rejects Facebooks justification for cutting off NYU researchers as inaccurate - The Washington Post [09:36] techrights-news NEWS #TheHill #Misinformation #Disinformation #FTC hits #Facebook over 'inaccurate' explanation for banning researchers https://thehill.com/policy/technology/566781-ftc-hits-facebook-over-inaccurate-explanation-for-banning-researchers [09:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FTC hits Facebook over 'inaccurate' explanation for banning researchers | TheHill [09:40] techrights-news This is borderline trolling, I think, for more reasons than I can list in a short reply. But someone has decided to 'bite'... https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006987.html [09:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Gemini Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4 [09:40] techrights-news NEWS #BankokPost #Censorship #Internet freedom declines further in #Thailand https://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/2161563/internet-freedom-declines-further-in-thailand [09:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bangkokpost.com | Internet freedom declines further in Thailand [09:40] techrights-news NEWS #PublishersWeekly #Censorship Censorship on the Rise Worldwide https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/publisher-news/article/87097-censorship-on-the-rise-worldwide.html [09:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.publishersweekly.com | Censorship on the Rise Worldwide ● Aug 07 [10:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:01] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:08] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [10:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [10:58] *inky_afk has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:58] *inky_afk (~inky@188.115.244.252) has joined #techrights ● Aug 07 [11:03] *inky_afk has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.50 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 56.01 swarm size (avg): 278.37 [11:07] *inky_afk (~inky@188.115.244.252) has joined #techrights [11:14] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:14] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:27] techrights-news #EFF uses meaningful terminology which ought to be widely adopted http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/tech-rights/ [11:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Today in Tech Rights | Techrights [11:28] techrights-news Across all form factors, #Windows may already have less than 30% of the overall share, but even on desktops/laptops in isolation Microsoft has quite a crisis and no signs of turnaround/recovery http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/windows-monopoly-waning/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/07/windows-monopoly-waning/ [11:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | This Chart Explains or Helps Explain Why Microsoft Invoked Version Inflation (+1) for Vista 10 and Then Bombarded the Media With Paid-for Churnalism | Techrights [11:28] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #Internet The #FCC finally made a new #broadband map of the US https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/6/22613096/fcc-cellular-broadband-voice-availability-map-data [11:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | The FCC finally made a new broadband map of the US - The Verge [11:29] techrights-news NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast #Monopolies Daniel Hanley: Federal Communications Commission Must Block Verizons Acquisition of TracFone https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/08/daniel-hanley-federal-communications-commission-must-block-verizons-acquisition-of-tracfone/ [11:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Daniel Hanley: Federal Communications Commission Must Block Verizons Acquisition of TracFone : Broadband Breakfast [11:29] techrights-news NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Code your own #pinball game | Wireframe #53 https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/code-your-own-pinball-game-wireframe-53/ [11:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Code your own pinball game | Wireframe #53 - Raspberry Pi [11:31] techrights-news NEWS #DontExtraditeAssange #wikileaks #uk Preliminary #Assange Appeal Hearing Scheduled for August 11 https://dontextraditeassange.com/hearing-coverage/preliminary-assange-appeal-hearing-scheduled-for-august-11/ [11:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | Preliminary Assange Appeal Hearing Scheduled for August 11 - 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It's growing! [14:15] *inky_afk (~inky@5.77.143.131) has joined #techrights [14:40] *tr_guest|30530 (~5f5bfd71@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [14:40] *tr_guest|30530 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [14:48] *inky_afk has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [14:58] techrights-news Forking is Easy, But the Hard Part is Finding a Strong Rationale for It (Essential for Momentum) http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/forking-needs-reason/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/07/forking-needs-reason/ [14:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Forking is Easy, But the Hard Part is Finding a Strong Rationale for It (Essential for Momentum) | Techrights [14:58] *CrystalMath (~coderain@pbyrmck44256c.irc) has joined #techrights ● Aug 07 [15:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.30 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 50.03 swarm size (avg): 278.20 [15:07] techrights-news When Tech Rights Go Mainstream http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/tech-rights-eff-and-fsf/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/07/tech-rights-eff-and-fsf/ [15:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When Tech Rights Go Mainstream | Techrights [15:08] MinceR http://pandyland.net/108 [15:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pandyland.net | Pandyland [15:10] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:11] leah schestowitz-TR: in this channel, we discussed the following number of users on freenode last week [15:11] leah i observed that freenode was something like 13000 users, and libera was about 46000 [15:11] schestowitz-TR yeah [15:12] schestowitz-TR soon under 10k [15:12] schestowitz-TR maybe already below that [15:12] leah according to today's stats, freenode is 10600 users, and libera is still at average 45-48k users average [15:12] leah i checked just now, while bored [15:12] schestowitz-TR freenode was like 85-90k [15:12] schestowitz-TR so we lost overall, as irc:// [15:12] leah yes [15:12] schestowitz-TR some of those users are in BOTH LC and freenode [15:13] leah indeed [15:13] schestowitz-TR so removing duplicate means maybe 50k [15:13] leah i still have 2 channels there, which i lurk in, but those channels are dead [15:13] leah i moved them officially to libera, while holding the fn channels just to drain them [15:13] schestowitz-TR yeah [15:14] schestowitz-TR btw, did you see freenode.net? [15:14] leah a lot of the people there probably don't actually use it [15:14] schestowitz-TR since like 10 hours ago? [15:14] schestowitz-TR screenshot in http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/forking-needs-reason/ [15:14] leah no, but i'm now looking at it [15:14] schestowitz-TR tl;dr freenode.net promotes "vaccines change your dna" [15:14] leah https://freenode.net/news/trojan-horse [15:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | On Apple, Trojan Horses and Truth - freenode [15:15] leah that article right? [15:15] leah released today [15:15] MinceR yup [15:15] schestowitz-TR yes, jump to the bit about vaccines [15:15] leah i will read the entire article, and then yours [15:15] leah um [15:15] leah lol wtf [15:15] schestowitz-TR welcome to freenode [15:15] leah that's a huge coincidence schestowitz-TR [15:16] leah no i mean [15:16] leah look at my blog entry from today: https://vimuser.org/devil.html [15:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vimuser.org | LeahRowe'sSleeplessRants Sketch: An alien lands on earth [15:16] leah and that freenode article begins with: [15:16] leah "In the story of the Garden of Eden, it is said that the forbidden fruit was encouraged to be eaten by the Devil. The story goes that eating the fruit was the direct action that resulted in man to be expelled from the garden." [15:16] leah ... [15:16] schestowitz-TR nice skwetch [15:16] leah and i didn't know about that freenode article until just now [15:16] schestowitz-TR I am a sketcher too [15:16] leah yeah but, it's a huge coincidence don't you think? [15:16] leah look at the sketch more closely :P [15:17] leah i'll continue reading the freenode article now [15:17] schestowitz-TR it's a reference to poisoned apple [15:17] schestowitz-TR even gave adam a GMOd apple [15:17] schestowitz-TR and with pesticides angers god [15:17] schestowitz-TR god files a patent lawsuit [15:18] schestowitz-TR the end [15:18] leah ok [15:21] leah i finished reading the fn article [15:21] leah i fail to see how the topics it discusses have anything to do with the operation of the freenode network [15:21] leah is freenode.net a personal blog now? [15:21] CrystalMath leah: yeah there's weirdness in there but if your takeaway is that apple is bad, then it's not a bad article [15:21] leah that's how it reads [15:22] schestowitz-TR [15:21] is freenode.net a personal blog now? <<< that's what I said last night [15:22] CrystalMath freenode is marketing itself as a free speech resistance network [15:22] CrystalMath i don't see it as a personal blog thing [15:22] leah but it isn't even a well written article [15:22] MinceR it's easy to get a different takeaway from that [15:22] CrystalMath MinceR: such as? (i want to hear you say it because it will probably be funny :P) [15:22] gustaf CrystalMath: "all the crazy borderline anti-vaxx people say Apple is bad" is not the ringing endorsement you imagine it is [15:22] leah though i find it fun that the article talks about adam and eve, and i, today, uploaded a sketch i did of the devil :P [15:23] MinceR for example: (a) vaccines are good and apple is good [15:23] leah > "2 life forms detected" [15:23] MinceR (b) apple is bad and vaccines are bad [15:23] CrystalMath hmm i don't think he connected it like that [15:23] leah fun coincidence [15:23] MinceR (c) andrew lee is a nutcase [15:23] leah the last article was also seemingly unrelated to freenode [15:23] MinceR CrystalMath: they're presented together in the same article [15:23] leah i get lee's narrative. freedom of speech [15:23] CrystalMath yeah but vaccines are given a passing mention [15:23] leah what i don't understand is the purpose of this article [15:23] CrystalMath and the only inaccuracy is just two words [15:23] leah and the vaccine stuff is bollocks [15:24] CrystalMath "mutates cells", you could argue against this part [15:24] MinceR also, i wonder how it takes someone this long to realize that all the ads about crApple's support for privacy are lies [15:24] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [15:24] schestowitz-TR everything mutates and evvolves [15:24] leah in my country (UK), covid deaths are far far lower as a result of people getting the jab [15:24] CrystalMath untested? true... mRNA vaccines have not been used for as many decades as classical vaccines [15:24] schestowitz-TR but... [15:24] MinceR especially for someone who's supposed to be working in IT [15:24] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [15:24] CrystalMath i myself have presented this claim here before, but not as an anti-vax idea, but as a pro-classical-vax idea [15:24] schestowitz-TR the insinuation there is that the jabs will change you as a person, DON'T DO IT MAN! [15:24] leah schestowitz-TR: i'll now read your article [15:24] MinceR CrystalMath: mRNA vaccines do not change your DNA [15:24] CrystalMath MinceR: that is correct but mRNA was not mentioned in the article [15:25] MinceR CrystalMath: neither do adenovirus vector vaccines [15:25] schestowitz-TR leah: cheers, hopefully no typos [15:25] leah schestowitz-TR: you know, it's actually impossible to get an electric shock in UK homes. if the socket is wired right [15:25] MinceR or protein subunit vaccines, or virus-like-particle vaccines [15:25] CrystalMath ah yes but you can maybe forgive this mistake, adenovirus vectors are also used for gene therapy [15:25] MinceR or inactivated/weakened virus vaccines if the virus they use can't alter your DNA [15:25] MinceR [citation needed] [15:25] schestowitz-TR leah: I got elertrocuted as a kid as few times [15:25] CrystalMath MinceR: what? for what i said? [15:25] schestowitz-TR sticking things in the socket is not a good idea [15:25] MinceR yes [15:25] CrystalMath i have articles! [15:26] CrystalMath hold on [15:26] schestowitz-TR but sockets and fuses improve over time [15:26] CrystalMath MinceR: i actually studied this years ago [15:26] leah this is in response to the photo of the man with the fork in your article. here, you can't easily stick metal in the live/hot hole on the wall. there's a plastic shutter. it only opens when you insert a plug. when a prong goes through the ground/earth hole, the shutters release and the live+neutral prongs can go in [15:26] CrystalMath MinceR: one of a million: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31209054/ [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov | Direct delivery of adenoviral CRISPR/Cas9 vector into the blastoderm for generation of targeted gene knockout in quail - PubMed [15:26] CrystalMath this is a commonly done thing [15:27] leah CrystalMath: you still on freenode's side btw? [15:27] leah just curious :) no judgement [15:28] CrystalMath leah: well... i'm not on the illibera side... and i still think freenode's politics should be more represented in the FLOSS world, but i can't really say i support SASL-only and TLS-only [15:28] CrystalMath so i completely understand why freenode's numbers are fallng [15:28] CrystalMath *falling [15:28] MinceR CrystalMath: interesting [15:28] leah they force SASL now? [15:28] CrystalMath MinceR: here's a scary title, but again nothing new: https://www.nature.com/articles/srep05105 [15:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nature.com | Adenoviral vector delivery of RNA-guided CRISPR/Cas9 nuclease complexes induces targeted mutagenesis in a diverse array of human cells | Scientific Reports [15:29] leah i already use sasl so i didn't notice (i'm still there, lurking my now dead channels that i bled dry, to get everyone to switch over to libera) [15:29] CrystalMath if you want to purposely scare someone who doesn't understand this stuff :P [15:29] MinceR CrystalMath: but in this case they deliver CRISPR they added to the virus, and none of the vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 are supposed to contain that [15:29] leah also, you can safely insert a fork into an electric socket, if there is no path to earth/ground through your body, or if you don't poke the hot/live hole [15:30] CrystalMath MinceR: correct [15:30] leah (so, poke the neutral/ground holes only) [15:30] leah of course, i wouldn't recommend testing this [15:30] CrystalMath leah: and the only way to register on freenode now is irc.com [15:30] leah what [15:30] CrystalMath well, for now you can still use nickserv if you are connected [15:30] leah well i use sasl [15:31] leah but i don't *use* freenode. i'm just logged in still [15:31] CrystalMath yes but those who have no account can't connect [15:31] CrystalMath :( [15:31] schestowitz-TR freenode mutated [15:31] CrystalMath this is such a shot in the foot by freenode i just don't understand why [15:31] CrystalMath most of the new staff opposed this [15:32] leah yes it makes irc unusable [15:32] schestowitz-TR esp. for sites like ours [15:32] schestowitz-TR that want to enable easy and anon access [15:32] CrystalMath even snoonet didn't do this when it was linked to irc.com [15:32] CrystalMath it has been delinked when freenode linked, btw [15:32] CrystalMath a snoonet numbers are now improving :P [15:33] CrystalMath *and [15:34] leah ah [15:34] leah now i know what HIH stands for. i was wondering that, when reading fn.net articles [15:34] leah thanks schestowitz-TR [15:34] CrystalMath His Imperial Highness [15:34] leah according to you, it stands for "his imperial highness" [15:34] CrystalMath referring to his title at Joseon [15:35] schestowitz-TR which does not exist [15:35] schestowitz-TR I can make up my xanadu [15:35] schestowitz-TR and then make up a fancy title [15:35] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: but it's a historic thing :) [15:35] schestowitz-TR in the earlier days he did not use this self-glorification [15:35] schestowitz-TR now he's blatant about it and he'll run out of apologists [15:35] schestowitz-TR cyprehistoric to him [15:36] leah schestowitz-TR: btw did you write yet about the gnu assembly stuff? [15:36] schestowitz-TR and if he's 16th something, it means nada [15:36] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:36] MinceR there was also something about the title being "god given" [15:36] MinceR i suspect that "god" isn't even historic :> [15:36] schestowitz-TR leah: I did a whole video [15:36] leah ah, link? [15:36] schestowitz-TR let me find it... [15:36] schestowitz-TR I tried not to name it even once [15:37] leah i'm launching my campaign against them soon [15:37] leah real life keeps getting in the way [15:37] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/gnu-coup/ [15:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Latest Anti-RMS Coup Attempt Targets the GNU Project (Because the FSF Coup Has Clearly Failed) by Infringing and Disregarding Trademark Conventions | Techrights [15:37] leah (campaign against gnu.tools, in defense of gnu.org) [15:37] leah at this point i should just launch, ready or not [15:37] leah because real life doesn't go away [15:38] schestowitz-TR so this is the anti-anti-gnu [15:41] techrights-news Loss of freedom https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/for-every-freedom-we've-lost-we've:4 [15:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | For EVERY freedom we've lost; we've consented to losing them. NOT AGAIN! [15:41] leah i'm not anti anything. being anti is unhealthy [15:41] leah i'm pro-GNU [15:41] schestowitz-TR :-D [15:41] schestowitz-TR souble nagation is pro- [15:42] schestowitz-TR *double [15:42] schestowitz-TR pro-rights [15:42] leah it is not [15:42] MinceR it's just framing [15:42] schestowitz-TR boycott novell [15:42] leah anti-anti- is less pro than pro- [15:42] schestowitz-TR when novell and microsoft are anti-rights [15:42] leah because when you're anti-, you lose energy and time [15:42] schestowitz-TR and pro-monopoly/sw patents [15:42] leah so you become less pro, due to burnout [15:42] kingoffrance :/ anti-anti is meta is what it is :) [15:42] leah it's better to just be positive, about something you support, and try to ignore/replace something if it's no good [15:43] leah and anti being anti [15:43] kingoffrance so you gain some +5 meta ability [15:43] schestowitz-TR leah: same effect [15:43] schestowitz-TR different communicaion strategy [15:43] leah yes [15:43] kingoffrance on other hand, i generally agree its better to be pro [15:43] leah and i think anti is bad marketing [15:43] leah you want to be pro [15:43] leah pro- [15:44] leah that brings people onboard because you make people feel good, by focusing on the positives and expanding upon them [15:44] leah anti is all about being negative. that's not to say you shouldn't oppose something bad [15:44] leah as you say, it's about communication strategies [15:45] schestowitz-TR "communication strategies" is a PR term [15:45] schestowitz-TR so I use that partly sarcastically [15:45] schestowitz-TR like "perception management" [15:46] CrystalMath i'm pro-RMS [15:46] CrystalMath and i like the current board of the FSF [15:46] CrystalMath i think that they truly understand the concept of FLOSS [15:46] leah yeah fsf is ok right now [15:47] CrystalMath while the GNU assembly people don't [15:47] leah and the people that need to be replaced are now leaving [15:47] CrystalMath for example, if you as a programmer think that it's your job to correct the world's injustices other than copyright, then you believe in *abusing* copyright, and you don't understand FLOSS [15:48] leah gnu assembly people are hypocrites [15:48] leah they use gnu.org infrastructure, and rely on gnu/fsf marketing, and rely on their positions in those projects, basically holding it hostage [15:48] leah they want to break away, while piggy backing off of it [15:48] CrystalMath i see FLOSS as a thorough rejection, and struggle against, the idea of programmers as the new priests of society [15:48] kingoffrance agree with schestowitz ; meta is needed to cut through bs some times :) [15:49] kingoffrance you need some meta to fight other meta :) [15:49] CrystalMath people who are anti-RMS do not seem to understand this, they accept programmers as the new priests of society and talk about "responsibility" [15:49] CrystalMath with great power comes great responsibility, but the idea of FLOSS is to *neutralize* the power of programmers [15:49] CrystalMath with no power comes NO responsibility [15:49] leah actually [15:49] leah i retract the word hypocrites [15:49] leah it was the wrong word [15:49] leah the correct word is: parasides [15:49] leah parasites [15:50] schestowitz-TR parasites ain't so bad [15:50] schestowitz-TR parasites are not dishonest [15:50] schestowitz-TR parasites do what they do to survive [15:50] schestowitz-TR on the other hand, some humans... [15:51] techrights-news #Ubuntu Should go for Rolling Release Between the LTS Versions http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154259 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:51] leah schestowitz-TR: listen to what CrystalMath said about "priests" [15:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Should go for Rolling Release Between the LTS Versions | Tux Machines [15:51] leah i think it's correct reasoning [15:51] leah the whole problem boils down to the assumption that some people are more worthwhile than others [15:51] leah which is a false assumption [15:52] leah gnu is powerful because of all the people that work on it [15:52] leah it has strength in numbers and anyone is welcome to join it [15:52] techrights-news In centralised #Git repositories with a Web GUI, forking is just one mouse click away (although the fork is still controlled by the same masters); so forking is not hard, but making the fork supersede or overtake the original is the hard part http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/forking-needs-reason/ [15:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Forking is Easy, But the Hard Part is Finding a Strong Rationale for It (Essential for Momentum) | Techrights [15:52] leah gnuassembly isn't like that. they want control [15:53] techrights-news Our focus on exposing organised crime and criminals is generally being recognised; but the term tech rights also spreads a little further as the reach of the message broadens http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/tech-rights-eff-and-fsf/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/07/tech-rights-eff-and-fsf/ [15:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When Tech Rights Go Mainstream | Techrights [15:53] Ariadne i'm supportive of the underlying concept of software freedom, that GNU want to advance. i'm not supportive of the code quality of most GNU software. [15:54] schestowitz leah: http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/ibm-and-the-coup/ [15:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Half the People in This Letter Are IBM Employees | Techrights [15:54] schestowitz many IBMers: http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/ [15:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guix Petition Demographic Data, by Figosdev | Techrights [15:54] leah gnu is 38 years old [15:54] leah not surprising to me that some people are stuck in their ways [15:54] schestowitz yes, 38 this october iirc http://techrights.org/2021/04/30/gnu-linux-turning-38/ [15:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Show Your Love for the GNU Operating System With These Banners | Techrights ● Aug 07 [16:01] techrights-news #Microsoft Uses the Media to Attack GNU/Linux and It Also Utilises Windows Defender to Discourage Adoption of Free Software http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/the-market-share-video/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/07/the-market-share-video/ [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Uses the Media to Attack GNU/Linux and It Also Utilises Windows Defender to Discourage Adoption of Free Software | Techrights [16:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [16:12] techrights-news old:#timBL before he handed over #w3c to #pentagon connected #monopolies that work for the army, Hollywood, NSA etc. https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/1991/08/art-6484.txt [16:15] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:16] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@vbku88433t7ju.irc) has joined #techrights [16:35] *inky_afk (~inky@46.70.39.37) has joined #techrights [16:42] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:44] *inky_ (~inky@5.77.143.131) has joined #techrights [16:46] *inky_afk has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:50] *rianne_ (~rianne@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [16:52] *liberty_box (~liberty@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [16:54] leah https://irc.com/about [16:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IRC.com | About Us [16:54] leah this is the most cringe thing of all time [16:55] leah "IRC.com, by freenode, brings IRC mainstream. With it's ease of registration, and powerful IRCv3 compliant capabilities, including avatars and emojis, IRC is now mainstream for everyone. Never miss a message and stay online 24/7 like you would expect with a messaging platform." [16:55] leah "With it's ease of use and friendly and familiar UI, IRC is now mainstream." [16:55] leah "IRC has arrived" [16:55] leah it's like... [16:55] leah what is this like [16:55] techrights-news Jupiter Hell shows off how brutal and thrilling a roguelike can be and it's out now | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/jupiter-hell-shows-off-how-brutal-and-thrilling-a-roguelike-can-be-and-its-out-now #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/07/#latest [16:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jupiter Hell shows off how brutal and thrilling a roguelike can be and it's out now | GamingOnLinux [16:55] leah this is like reading an ad about... [16:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [16:56] leah well just imagine some big company, not knowing its own product, but wanting to sex it up, so marketing gives it the old spin [16:56] leah that's what this sounds like [16:57] leah it's very uncanny [16:58] schestowitz-TR yeah [16:58] schestowitz-TR it's... not compelling [16:58] schestowitz-TR and if the target audience is geeks, then... [16:58] schestowitz-TR wrong targeting ● Aug 07 [17:00] leah right but [17:00] leah "with it's ease of registration and powerful IRCv3 comlpiant capabilitities" [17:01] leah let me parody that for you. i'll do one for libreboot: [17:01] leah Libreboot, by libreboot.org, brings coreboot mainstream. With it's automated build system, and powerful GNU GRUB payload, including SeaBIOS, coreboot is now mainstream for everyone" [17:01] leah :P [17:02] leah it reads like someone who didn't know what they were writing about, was paid to write about it. that's how that irc.com page reads [17:02] schestowitz-TR yes, I would not defend it [17:02] schestowitz-TR either way, we're now better off with irc in our dns pocket [17:02] schestowitz-TR so we will be harder to intimidate [17:03] leah a wise voice in my head once told me: you gotta do you. focus on your strengths, not your weaknesses [17:03] schestowitz-TR I heard at the start of this year that the anti-RMS lobby misused IRC networks [17:03] leah i listen to that thought [17:03] leah lee didn't get the memo apparently [17:03] leah i actually tried the app, you know [17:03] leah the irc.com app [17:03] leah it's barely functional [17:04] leah it looks like the plan was for them to create basically another whatsapp/discord whatever, using irc as a backend [17:04] activelow the "IRC remotes" is noteworthy. seems it is proprietary. [17:04] leah the whole thing misses the point of irc though [17:04] leah irc is... irc [17:05] leah you either get it or you don't [17:05] activelow "What people are saying: nirvana> finally, some next level shit." [17:05] leah this isn't the year 1999 anymore [17:05] leah people have moved on from irc [17:05] leah free software projects still use it [17:05] leah because it's simply, efficient and does the job nicely [17:05] leah simple* [17:05] leah freenode should have focused on its strengths [17:06] schestowitz-TR I still use bash for lots of things [17:06] leah right now it's trying to be something it will never be [17:06] leah and can never be [17:06] activelow didn't check all details of IRCv3, the last ircd i verified was ircd-hybrid v7 and didn't bother with any update since then [17:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.48 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 29.05 swarm size (avg): 278.14 [17:06] leah i mean irc is just this thing that will never die [17:06] leah it's like the xkcd comic [17:06] leah https://xkcd.com/1782/ [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Team Chat [17:07] schestowitz back in April I was already urged to escape Freenode and its allied networks http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights [17:07] schestowitz OFTC and now LC [17:07] schestowitz some of their staff is awesome, some is not [17:07] leah i personally know people who unironically use the default settings in irrsi [17:07] schestowitz they lack vetting and proper supervision [17:07] schestowitz and they could crack down on us [17:07] leah and use it daily. for productive discussion with developers, in their project [17:08] schestowitz like daemonFC with his racist rantings [17:08] leah wasn't that the problem with old freenode though? [17:08] leah that someone could... completely fuck it up [17:08] schestowitz-TR well, to recap yesterday's chat: [17:08] schestowitz-TR (which was long) [17:09] leah your contention that projects should self-host is a correct one [17:09] leah and it's on my todo [17:09] schestowitz-TR networks that don't care about channels they host are recipe for disaster [17:09] schestowitz-TR Lee is a Mac fan [17:09] leah for now libera seems fine though [17:09] schestowitz-TR Apple Macbook Air, iPhone etc. [17:09] leah tell me more about daemonFC [17:09] schestowitz-TR he won't care much about those thousands of active project channels [17:09] schestowitz-TR so they're at the mercy of someone who is not an actual stakeholder [17:09] schestowitz-TR and that should never be "allowed" [17:10] schestowitz-TR clown computing is the same [17:10] schestowitz-TR some nhs servers we supported was in vmware clown [17:10] leah would you prefer to have your own house [17:10] schestowitz-TR which got disbanded [17:10] leah or live in someone elses [17:10] schestowitz-TR vmware did not give a crap about those clients [17:10] schestowitz-TR leah: bad analogy [17:10] schestowitz-TR houses cost a lot to buy [17:10] schestowitz-TR in some places unbelievably so [17:10] leah well yes irc is cheap to run [17:11] schestowitz-TR running an irc server has a learning curve, but it is cheap. ircd is not heavy. [17:11] schestowitz-TR our ircd is a container with less than 10 processes [17:11] *psymin (~psymin@xqn5f4vm4nzg6.irc) has joined #techrights [17:11] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [17:12] schestowitz-TR match about to start [17:12] schestowitz http://uhdstreams.club/chat/ch5.php [17:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uhdstreams.club | NO TITLE [17:12] schestowitz (may be spammy, but works) [17:12] leah what [17:13] leah i don't wanna watch tv lol [17:13] leah i didn't know you lived in the uk [17:14] leah that stream you linked is a british tv channel [17:14] leah well if you're going afk, i will also. i have things to do. thanks for the chat [17:14] schestowitz-TR I'm still here [17:15] XRevan86 "even snoonet didn't do this when it was linked to irc.com" I misremembered it as Rizon. Yea, it was definitely snoonet. [17:15] Ariadne > ads [17:15] leah > ublock origin [17:15] Ariadne i mean the tv stream [17:15] Ariadne is ads [17:15] leah oh [17:15] schestowitz-TR not anymore [17:15] schestowitz-TR kickoff [17:15] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/CUbQiPEV_s4?t=918 https://youtu.be/CUbQiPEV_s4?t=1130 I've listened to this podcast, these are two freenode-noteworthy timestamps. [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Destination Linux EP66 - Christel Dahlskjaer of PIA - YouTube [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Destination Linux EP66 - Christel Dahlskjaer of PIA - YouTube [17:16] leah football channel amirite? [17:16] XRevan86 Overall, it doesn't give all too much insight, I guess I know a bit more about what Christel is like. [17:16] leah seems a bit random [17:16] leah enjoy your football :P [17:16] leah i don't like it myself [17:16] schestowitz-TR when is that interview from? [17:17] XRevan86 2018 [17:17] schestowitz-TR she seems to have vanished this year [17:17] leah plus that stream is triggering as fuck. interlaced video [17:17] leah that's interlaced video [17:17] leah being deinterlaced, poorly [17:17] Ariadne this channel is available on directv [17:17] Ariadne in higher quality [17:17] leah this is 2021 [17:17] leah you should not be filming in interlaced video formats [17:17] XRevan86 Another interesting bit is that her Twitter account was from all the way back, 2007, and in May 2021 she just removed it [17:18] leah i can tell when i'm watching interlaced video [17:18] Ariadne > mcdonald's [17:18] Ariadne XRevan86: oh, she did that because she didn't want to get cancelled [17:18] Ariadne better to just preemptively retreat imo [17:19] leah better to face the music [17:19] leah cancel culture only works because a bunch of weak willed people want to feel like they're doing right for the world, so they band together. what they have is strength in numbers [17:19] blitzed !COFFEE [17:19] XRevan86 Ariadne: But it was already well-known in 2020 that freenode was sold to a corporation, what suddenly changed? Why is the Shells logo thing so big? [17:20] Ariadne its not [17:20] Ariadne rasengan wanted to control freenode [17:20] Ariadne he got what he wanted [17:20] XRevan86 Ariadne: I only know about his actions to take control after tomaw becoming head of staff. [17:20] Ariadne he proabbly [17:20] leah if you try to hide from cancellation, you'll get cancelled even harder in the end, when you poke your head out [17:20] Ariadne told christel to quit [17:20] Ariadne who cares [17:21] leah someone who does wrong should face the consequences of their action, though mob justice is always bad [17:21] XRevan86 Ariadne: "who cares" it matters a lot; the narrative that floats around is that the staff bullied Christel to quit. [17:21] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@m7x9626p2dx5i.irc) has joined #techrights [17:21] leah you have to face it down. look it right in the eye, and let it know it can't control you [17:21] Ariadne why does it matter [17:21] Ariadne what has happened, has happened [17:21] Ariadne its a done deal [17:22] Ariadne but why would the staff "bully" christel to quit [17:22] Ariadne maybe at most they started calling her on her shit [17:22] XRevan86 Ariadne: post-mortem [17:22] schestowitz-TR [17:20] rasengan wanted to control [something that might soon stop existing] [17:22] leah Ariadne: btw, i don't know much about christel. i know only that she owned freenode for almost 20 years [17:22] leah or was otherwise heavily involved [17:22] leah can you tell me what "her shit" was, in your opinion? [17:23] XRevan86 Ariadne: I know they were asking questions about the Shells logo, and I hardly see that as bullying, nor do I see that as a good motivation to run away. [17:23] Ariadne well, for example, she set my cloak in 2016 to freenude/alcoholic-bunny/kaniini [17:23] Ariadne things like that. [17:23] leah i'm asking because i know you were inolved in freenode in the early days [17:23] leah oh [17:23] leah was that out of malice? [17:23] leah (guessing yes) [17:23] Ariadne who the fuck knows [17:23] Ariadne she probably thought it was funny [17:24] Ariadne but she didnt ask for permission [17:24] leah ok [17:24] Ariadne because my answer would have been 'fuck no' [17:24] leah abuse of power, then [17:24] Ariadne she used to do stuff like that all the tie [17:24] Ariadne and then staff [17:24] Ariadne would cover for her and be all apologetic about it [17:25] XRevan86 To me the stories point to that the staff couldn't do anything about Christel, and now suddenly she catapults away. That just doesn't compute from that perspective. [17:25] Ariadne XRevan86: nah rasengan definitely fired her [17:25] Ariadne and then made up the bullying story [17:25] Ariadne as a cover [17:25] XRevan86 CrystalMath: ^ [17:25] XRevan86 Ariadne: Is he this disgusting as a person? [17:26] schestowitz-TR Ariadne: do we have evidence of it? [17:26] Ariadne no, i don't, but i know how rasengan operates [17:26] Ariadne i knew him prior to all of this stuff happening :) [17:26] leah well you can't go off of conjecture [17:26] Ariadne i can go off my gut [17:26] leah besides, lee has already proven himself to be an uncomprisingly stupid twat [17:27] Ariadne and i can say based on my knowledge that he definitely fired christel [17:27] XRevan86 Ariadne: But why wouldn't Christel then come out with that? It doesn't look like she has anything to lose. [17:27] schestowitz-TR we cannot report based on guesses :-) [17:27] Ariadne XRevan86: NDA [17:27] leah no need to go further than that. i think his goose is already well and truly cooked [17:27] schestowitz-TR so I just checked if there was evidence [17:27] XRevan86 Ariadne: Do NDAs exist that tell people not to disclose being fired? [17:27] Ariadne tbh, what probably happened was [17:27] Ariadne they probably got in a fight over freenode [17:27] Ariadne and then it was a mutual FOAD [17:28] Ariadne and then christel fucked off [17:28] Ariadne because thats what she does [17:28] Ariadne she will storm off and then come back months later [17:28] leah so it is your opinion that this person, christel, will make a re-appearance in public, and commit some kind of act [17:29] Ariadne at some point, yes [17:29] Ariadne she will probably try to wiggle her way into libera [17:29] leah honestly though? [17:29] leah schestowitz-TR is right [17:29] leah we all need to self-host [17:29] Ariadne i think the libera team will not go for it tho [17:29] leah that's what i want to do, whenever i have the time and motivation to sit down and really make sure i get it right, and set up a server [17:30] Ariadne there needs to be many irc networks that are small [17:30] Ariadne not giant mega networks [17:30] leah honestly, libera is a huge unknown at this point [17:30] Ariadne solve the discoverability issue another way [17:30] leah so far, libera seems fine. it hasn't done anything really bad, and they seem to be running it competently [17:30] Ariadne i think libera is ok for now. but if christel gets involved in it down the road, that would be not good [17:31] *XRevan86 is still not a believer in small IRC. With XMPP it's so easy, with IRC, that doesn't really scale for an end-user. [17:31] leah christel doesn't have a monopoly on bad (or good) behaviour though [17:31] leah it's inevitable at some point that someone will be found guilty of foul play [17:31] leah i really don't like the way libera started though [17:32] Ariadne i dont think they had much of a choice [17:32] Ariadne somebody had to do something to ensure all of this didn't go crashing into a concrete wall [17:32] leah technically libera was the one that did wrong at first. their initial act was a smear campaign against lee, who hadn't done anything wrong at that point, besides wanting to have more power over something he owned [17:33] leah lee's response to that smear and coup was to act like a complete idiot and do more damage himself, and ultimately prove the point of the libera people [17:33] Ariadne politics is ugly, what can i say [17:33] XRevan86 leah: I think if rasengan's lies were cleared up, that will improve Libera's foundation as well. That's one way this is not a "its a done deal". [17:33] leah he could have acted maturely, and done right by the world [17:33] CrystalMath Ariadne: that doesn't add up [17:33] Ariadne it really does [17:33] leah you know what though Ariadne? [17:33] leah if my project, Libreboot, loses IRC even for like [17:33] leah a week [17:33] leah i wouldn't care [17:33] CrystalMath jess told me that in march 2021, they managed to get rid of "the cabal" [17:34] leah i'd just set something else up [17:34] CrystalMath i asked if christel was a part of the cabal, she said yes [17:34] leah so if libera goes tits up at some point, whatever [17:34] Ariadne CrystalMath: yes, and she miscalculated [17:34] leah *i* control libreboot.org [17:34] leah i'll just charge the irc links there [17:34] CrystalMath Ariadne: but this was bad! [17:34] Ariadne because rasengan was also a problem [17:34] CrystalMath the cabal was the one against the closures of channels [17:34] leah aswell any other project that uses irc, if they need to change their irc link on their contact page [17:34] Ariadne CrystalMath: getting rid of christel was good [17:34] CrystalMath Ariadne: no it wasn't, christel wanted to stop the anti-free-speech and channel closures [17:34] Ariadne they miscalculated and thought rasengan would stay out of it [17:35] Ariadne lmfao [17:35] Ariadne if you believe that [17:35] CrystalMath their evil plan was thwarted [17:35] Ariadne you have been so connec [17:35] XRevan86 leah: I don't recall any examples of the Libera people making a smear campaign against rasengan. joepie91 is not a staffer. [17:35] Ariadne christel [17:35] Ariadne threatened [17:35] Ariadne to close #charybdis and kick alpine off the network [17:35] Ariadne because [17:35] Ariadne i gave commit rights on charybdis [17:35] Ariadne to somebody she hated [17:35] leah tomato tomato XRevan86 though i no longer care. libera won [17:35] CrystalMath leah: that doesn't really work in writing :P [17:35] Ariadne if you think christel is about free speech [17:35] Ariadne you are fucking dumb as rocks [17:35] CrystalMath but somehow i still read it correctly :P [17:36] CrystalMath "tomato tomato" [17:36] sears_hardware 16:29:28 < leah> *i* control libreboot.org [17:36] leah CrystalMath: you say tomato tomato, and i say tomato tomato [17:36] sears_hardware that solves the problem [17:36] leah what? [17:36] CrystalMath Ariadne: well that's disappointing to hear, but she didn't want ##truth closed down [17:36] leah what problem, sears_hardware ? [17:36] Ariadne yeah because it was convenient to her at that time [17:36] sears_hardware the problem of freenode.net being able to take over a channel [17:36] CrystalMath leah: the problem of others controlling you [17:36] Ariadne to take that position [17:36] sears_hardware freenode.net cannot take over a channel whose root domain is libreboot.org [17:36] sears_hardware or techrights.org [17:37] sears_hardware which brings us to the problem of DNS but whatever [17:37] leah oh, yeah i rule libreboot.org. until i think 2029 when it expires [17:37] CrystalMath Ariadne: how so? [17:37] leah then i'll renew it :P [17:37] leah 2028 [17:37] Ariadne CrystalMath: inaction is usually the safe option [17:37] leah not 9 [17:37] leah being on a big irc network is handy though [17:38] CrystalMath Ariadne: but she was right [17:38] CrystalMath these channels should not be closed down [17:38] Ariadne was she [17:38] leah you can easily just go to any channel without configuring your irc client for a million projects [17:38] Ariadne she was right *in your opinion* [17:38] CrystalMath there are people who are not-left-wing and into software freedom [17:38] CrystalMath we need to keep them [17:38] CrystalMath Ariadne: yes [17:38] CrystalMath you say that it wasn't ideological for her and yet she made the right call every time [17:38] sears_hardware they are doing a good job keeping themselves CrystalMath [17:38] Ariadne you need to start learning that phrase, "in your opinion." it makes your arguments more persuasive [17:38] *jrmu (~jrmu@gvksys22mb29k.irc) has joined #techrights [17:39] sears_hardware which is why mozilla has to try to hunt them down [17:39] sears_hardware and make very pretty visualizations of them [17:39] CrystalMath if a stopped clock is right every time i look at it, maybe it's not really a stopped clock [17:39] sears_hardware LOL [17:39] sears_hardware CrystalMath's opinion - the stopped clock [17:39] Ariadne anyway i don't have any opinion on ##truth either [17:39] CrystalMath Ariadne: i left that channel but i don't think it should be destroyed [17:39] leah confirmed, what CrystalMath said [17:39] leah i've met several coreboot and linux kernel developers who are extremely conservative [17:39] CrystalMath i've recently rejoined its rizon version, but i'm gonna leave it again [17:40] sears_hardware CrystalMath: we could say that by choosing to remain on a non-libre platform they deserve to be destroyed :) [17:40] CrystalMath sears_hardware: what non-libre platform? [17:40] sears_hardware leenode [17:40] sears_hardware libera [17:40] sears_hardware whatever [17:40] Ariadne CrystalMath: christel is willing to be tolerant of things, but she has no problem threatening other people's speech when it suits her [17:40] Ariadne so, she is really no ally of free speech [17:41] leah do what i do [17:41] leah don't moderate [17:41] leah let people bite each other's heads off [17:41] leah but that's up to you [17:41] sears_hardware Ariadne: indeed true allies of free speech are so hard to find [17:41] Ariadne christel is the reason why charybdis became solanum, btw [17:41] Ariadne she created a situation where charybdis maintenance became basically impossible [17:41] leah and also oppose there being anyone to stop such chaos [17:41] Ariadne because people were afraid to participate lest they be k-lined from freenode [17:41] sears_hardware ordo ab chao [17:42] CrystalMath Ariadne: huh? [17:42] CrystalMath she k-lined people who worked on charybdis? [17:42] Ariadne she threatened to [17:42] CrystalMath ah i see [17:42] Ariadne we "gave in" and removed commit access from the person she disliked [17:42] Ariadne but then terminated the project [17:42] sears_hardware the threat is more powerful than the execution [17:43] Ariadne the execution would have been unfortunate, but in hindsight, alpine would have just moved to OFTC [17:43] sears_hardware would were that moving were always so easy [17:43] Ariadne alpine on freenode was around 1500 users [17:43] sears_hardware although it is much easier if your users already are pointed directly to irc.libreboot.org anyway [17:43] Ariadne across all the channels [17:44] Ariadne so it was not easy, but it was ultimately doable [17:44] Ariadne we were planning to start an IRC for alpine itself [17:44] Ariadne but, those plans got cut short with the increasing instability of freenode [17:44] sears_hardware :) [17:47] leah Ariadne: now you've had the experience of having to move your channels to another network [17:47] leah so now you have an exact idea, in the real world, of how doable such an action is [17:47] Ariadne when you have a large community, you have to be more proactive [17:48] sears_hardware well if your irc channel is at irc.techrights.org you can move as many times as you want [17:48] sears_hardware and users don't care [17:48] leah ^ truth [17:48] Ariadne sears_hardware: SSL breaks that :( [17:48] CrystalMath irc.techrights.org is its own independent server :) [17:48] CrystalMath Ariadne: good, because it's crappy to just redirect the domain [17:48] leah independence is great [17:48] CrystalMath it can lead to password leaks [17:48] sears_hardware i don't see why SSL certificates don't work like SSH fingerprints [17:48] CrystalMath and people joining a network they don't like [17:49] CrystalMath by mistake :P [17:49] CrystalMath however, i have firewalled away all of libera's servers, so that cannot happen [17:49] Ariadne if we had waited until freenode were taken over by rasengan, it would have been a shitshow [17:49] Ariadne see also: what happened to redhat, ubuntu, suse [17:49] sears_hardware quite the pattern isn't it [17:49] Ariadne so, i am glad that we moved proactively [17:49] Ariadne it saved us a lot of trouble [17:50] leah Ariadne: the way i handled it was very unique, but wouldn't work for a project any bigger than libreboot [17:50] leah i successfully drained #libreboot on freenode, and i *still* am the op there. but it is officially only on libera now [17:50] leah turned out all i had to do was wait a few extra weeks after the heat died down, when freenode already knew it had lost [17:50] Ariadne anyway, libera is problematic too, because the people who run it have the same power [17:51] CrystalMath i didn't have to drain anything, freenode turned SASL-only and my channels were wrecked [17:51] Ariadne the power to destroy somebody's career [17:51] CrystalMath people who cared joined on EFNet [17:51] CrystalMath or rizon [17:51] CrystalMath before freenode turned SASL-only things were looking good [17:51] Ariadne however... in the absence of a more friendly UX [17:51] leah CrystalMath: do you like mcdonalds? [17:51] CrystalMath leah: not too much, why? [17:52] Ariadne libera is tolerable for now [17:52] leah ok, but have you eaten there? [17:52] CrystalMath once or twice [17:52] leah there is a point to this [17:52] Ariadne i would prefer to see small islands, with good clients that can handle it [17:52] leah well, you know how you get a menu [17:52] Ariadne a menu? [17:52] *swaggboi has quit (Quit: C-x C-c) [17:52] Ariadne mcdonalds does not have menus in the US [17:52] leah you get to choose from the menu [17:52] CrystalMath Ariadne: nor here [17:52] Ariadne they have some stuff on a board [17:52] CrystalMath yeah [17:52] leah yeah, that's the menu [17:52] Ariadne o ok [17:52] Ariadne carry on [17:52] leah can you choose anything besides what's on the menu? [17:53] CrystalMath bnope [17:53] CrystalMath *noe [17:53] CrystalMath *nope [17:53] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights World Kung Fu Governing Body Uses Copyright Law to Hunt Down #YouTube Critics https://torrentfreak.com/world-kung-fu-governing-body-uses-copyright-law-to-hunt-down-youtube-critics-210806/ [17:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-World Kung Fu Governing Body Uses Copyright Law to Hunt Down YouTube Critics * TorrentFreak [17:53] CrystalMath 3 attempts to type that, wow [17:53] leah ok, now you're cooking a cheeseburger at home [17:53] CrystalMath oh i do that :) [17:53] leah picture how much more choice you have what goes in the burger [17:53] leah that's self-hosting [17:53] leah outsourced hosting is the mcdonalds menu [17:53] CrystalMath and yet.... when i make them at home, all i do is recreate the old 80s McDLT exactly [17:53] sears_hardware you can actually ask them to make a modification in the mcdonalds teller [17:53] leah and i'm well aware of that, while using libera. it's a temporary fix just so i can focus on other things for now [17:54] sears_hardware which they may or may not do properly [17:54] leah but self-hosting is on the agenda [17:54] leah i *do not* trust libera staff [17:54] leah their network started based on a massive smear campaign they started against who was at that time an innocent man [17:54] CrystalMath leah: well that's good for libreboot, but all i have is new projects, none of my old ones got big [17:54] leah rasangan only did fucked up stuff *after* libera came online [17:54] CrystalMath except for ReactOS which uses mattermost [17:54] CrystalMath i *should* code that mattermost IRC gateway [17:54] leah well, libera could crack down on *me* in the future, if they wanted [17:54] CrystalMath i have some code already [17:54] leah i'm at their mercy [17:54] leah and i'm under no illusion that i matter to them in any way [17:55] leah they'd gladly kick #libreboot off the network. or hijack it [17:55] leah if it suited their purpose, they would do it [17:55] CrystalMath for now they tolerate pro-RMS people i've heard [17:55] sears_hardware leah: how do you feel about frame.work laptop [17:56] leah oh, well in terms of coreboot it's a waste of time. it's intel stuff right? [17:56] leah but the right to repair aspect is great [17:56] leah it's a fully repairable laptop, with schematics and boardviews, right? [17:56] leah and that's great [17:56] leah i'm able to compartmentalize that aspect above all others [17:56] leah on that basis alone it's already at least better than purism [17:57] leah and probably about the same freedom-wise (software freedom) as a system76 laptop [17:57] leah if that's your thing, go for it [17:57] sears_hardware thanks [17:57] leah i won't stop you [17:57] leah there is some confusion in their marketing [17:57] leah i've seen reports, unconfirmed by me yet, that they might come with intel bootguard [17:57] leah and maybe won't [17:58] leah i haven't looked into them too much yet [17:58] leah i actually learned about them only a few days ago [17:58] leah i don't think they'll be the last such company jumping on right to repair [17:58] leah look at the executive order by biden recently [17:58] leah and rossman's reporting on it [17:59] leah https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=GE-qEDjUJYY that video [17:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vid.puffyan.us | BIDEN SIGNS EXECUTIVE ORDER ON RIGHT TO REPAIR! - Invidious [17:59] leah far from the end, but an excellent start ● Aug 07 [18:00] CrystalMath hmm, Biden's been doing some good things lately [18:00] CrystalMath leaving afghanistan, now this [18:01] CrystalMath maybe he heard some tips from his friend Andrew Lee :P [18:01] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [18:01] leah oh, yeah lol [18:01] leah it says in the previous freenode article that lee is friends with potus [18:01] CrystalMath since freenode.net says they're friends [18:01] leah which i assume means biden [18:01] leah yes [18:01] leah potus = president of the united states [18:02] CrystalMath yes i'm aware [18:02] leah well framework is interesting [18:02] sears_hardware i just wish it had more ports [18:02] sears_hardware 1 headphone + 1 hdmi + 1 power recharge + 1 usb mouse and there's only one slot left [18:03] leah usb hub [18:03] CrystalMath sears_hardware: i wish it had plain VGA [18:04] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #YouTube Rippers Shut Down in US & #UK After Giving Up Legal Fight https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-rippers-shut-down-in-us-uk-after-giving-up-legal-fight-210806/ [18:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTube Rippers Shut Down in US & UK After Giving Up Legal Fight * TorrentFreak [18:04] leah ouch [18:04] leah https://frame.work/products/laptop [18:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-frame.work | Framework | Framework Laptop [18:04] leah >windows 10 [18:04] leah lol [18:05] sears_hardware you can get it with no os [18:05] leah if they ship it with coreboot (and not shimboot) it'd be great [18:05] schestowitz-TR yes, I did a video about this lousy laptop [18:05] schestowitz-TR "open" [18:05] leah but i've seen this with purism [18:05] schestowitz-TR later they added a no-OS option [18:05] leah a bunch of hype. and then i get disappointed [18:05] schestowitz-TR only after backlash [18:06] sears_hardware other than being expensive for the raw stats what's wrong with it [18:06] leah ok, i backtrack my enthusiasm for now [18:06] schestowitz-TR it's so customisable... that you cannot even deatch the malware from it :-) [18:06] leah retract i mean [18:06] leah i mean it's intel [18:06] schestowitz-TR who, ME? [18:06] leah i'm well aware that it's going to be binary blobs in firmware [18:06] leah even if coreboot [18:06] leah it'll be blobs from intel [18:07] sears_hardware yeah i mean say i want to buy a laptop [18:07] sears_hardware what do i buy [18:07] schestowitz-TR "framework" is 99% marketing spam [18:07] leah rockchip chromebook [18:07] schestowitz-TR just like Shells.com [18:07] schestowitz-TR aka Shills [18:07] schestowitz-TR they pay "influeners" and "news" sites for plugs [18:07] leah or any libreboot laptop, or ivybridge/sandybridge coreboot laptop [18:07] sears_hardware well [18:08] sears_hardware why don't we have a list of approved laptops then [18:08] leah ivybridge/sandybridge is 100% free software in coreboot, though you do need the neutered ME [18:08] leah which technically is not part of coreboot [18:08] leah but the host cpu still does basically everything on that platform [18:08] leah not the me [18:08] DaemonFC https://www.pcmag.com/news/psa-if-you-get-a-best-buy-gift-card-on-a-usb-drive-in-the-mail-dont-plug [18:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PSA: If You Get a 'Best Buy Gift Card' on a USB Drive in the Mail, Don't Plug It Into Your PC | PCMag [18:09] DaemonFC LOL [18:09] sears_hardware like i find https://retrofreedom.com/product/osboot-x230/ [18:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-. Libre X230 RetroFreedom [18:09] sears_hardware it's intel too [18:09] sears_hardware so i don't see why criticize framework for use intel [18:09] leah ah, yes [18:09] leah i need to be specific and say: modern intel [18:09] schestowitz-TR framework is overpriced malware laptop [18:09] schestowitz-TR Vista 10 [18:09] CrystalMath leah: i have a 2006 intel machine now [18:09] schestowitz-TR the "no OS" option was added latere [18:09] CrystalMath with a Q6600 [18:09] sears_hardware i agree it's overpriced [18:10] schestowitz-TR and iirc it comes with a discount [18:10] leah x230 thinkpad is very good freedom-wise [18:10] leah i use one myself, with debian [18:10] CrystalMath leah: too bad libreboot can't work on the ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA [18:10] leah it's 99% the way there to libreboot. coreboot is all free software on that machine [18:10] leah but you need the neutered ME (use me_cleaner util) [18:10] CrystalMath i have a spare ASRock 2CoreDual-VSTA [18:10] CrystalMath i can mess with it [18:10] CrystalMath maybe i can try getting coreboot to work [18:10] sears_hardware okay [18:11] leah well on modern intel, there is no coreboot, or coreboot is just a shim loading intel blobs that do the actual hardware initialization [18:11] leah so it's like [18:11] leah meh [18:11] CrystalMath leah: this is 2006 [18:11] CrystalMath hardly modern, there is no ME at all [18:11] CrystalMath all my machines are pre-2010 [18:11] leah imo intel haswell is the last usable intel platform. that one isn't actually free yet, raminit and a bunch of stuff is a blob, but coreboot is reverse engineering that and making progress. after haswell, i think intel is doomed in terms of coreboot and having something that is meaningfully free [18:12] leah x86 is a dead end [18:12] leah so like [18:12] CrystalMath leah: what do you think of Intel Kentsfield? [18:12] XRevan86 leah: "though i no longer care. libera won" well, obviously. [18:12] leah framework's decision to use x86 is a mistake i think [18:12] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt # Report Again Finds US Government IT #Security Sucks, Three Years After Saying The Same Thing https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210804/10592147303/report-again-finds-us-government-it-security-sucks-three-years-after-saying-same-thing.shtml too much #proprietarySoftware for #kickbacks , #bribes [18:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Report Again Finds US Government IT Security Sucks, Three Years After Saying The Same Thing | Techdirt [18:12] leah as an oem producing newer hardware, it's a mistake [18:12] leah they should use something based on riscv instead, which is actually free [18:13] CrystalMath Lemote Yeeloong <3 [18:13] leah https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor [18:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crowdsupply.com | Precursor | Crowd Supply [18:13] leah have you seen that? [18:13] leah looks like a phone [18:13] leah but it's actually more like a palm pilot [18:13] leah riscv thing [18:13] leah do that but as a laptop [18:13] leah with schematics and boardviews [18:14] leah especially boardview. that's what you need for repair [18:14] leah CrystalMath: and that won't last [18:14] leah what you're doing is stockpiling [18:14] leah which is fine [18:15] leah but it won't last. we need something new [18:15] CrystalMath right [18:15] CrystalMath but maybe i can hold out until RISC-V gets cheap :D [18:15] XRevan86 leah: "so now you have an exact idea, in the real world, of how doable such an action is" not really, because the experience is around a sinking ship, it doesn't reflect people's willingness in other circumstances. [18:15] leah well right now you're probably going to not actually have a real riscv chip [18:15] leah but rather, an fpga [18:16] techrights-news 22 Linux Networking Commands for Sysadmin http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154260 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 22 Linux Networking Commands for Sysadmin | Tux Machines [18:16] leah XRevan86: Ariadne then do it anyway, and have people gradually move if they wish [18:16] techrights-news #Krita 4.4.7 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154261 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 4.4.7 Released | Tux Machines [18:16] leah by the time anything stupid like the freenode/libera split happens again, you'll be ready to switch [18:16] techrights-news #Thunderbird 91 Promises New Account Setup Wizard with CalDAV Support, Encryption, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154262 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Thunderbird 91 Promises New Account Setup Wizard with CalDAV Support, Encryption, and More | Tux Machines [18:17] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154263 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:17] XRevan86 leah: "their network started based on a massive smear campaign they started against who was at that time an innocent man" ye just said ye didn't care %). I guess it's still important to set the record straight. [18:17] XRevan86 leah: "rasangan only did fucked up stuff *after* libera came online" the word would be "publicly". [18:18] leah meh [18:19] leah a guy like that is laughing every time a stupid person like me wastes time talking about him. i'm pretty sure he just enjoys the attention, for the lulz [18:19] leah i should stop discussing him [18:20] XRevan86 leah: Having two separate places is unpleasant. Albeit, the solution that we have here with matterbridge improves that considerably. [18:21] XRevan86 Or rather, "had", it lost most of its value. [18:23] leah yes the illusion of one big grand network is shattered [18:23] leah i think a lot of people don't trust libera but see it as sort of a continuity for the time being [18:24] XRevan86 leah: Even "Lee's Side" shows that there was a lot happening before Libera was a thing. [18:24] leah seriously though, right now i could nuke my channel [18:24] leah seriously [18:24] CrystalMath XRevan86: i'm on like 12 networks [18:24] XRevan86 leah: On freenode? No one cares, yes. [18:24] leah i'm on irc for fun [18:24] leah on libera, XRevan86 [18:24] leah i'm the op of #libreboot on libera [18:25] leah i'm only there for opsec. and historical reasons [18:25] XRevan86 leah: And? [18:25] leah yeah well, i think most projects are like that [18:25] leah they could do without irc or anything to replace it [18:25] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: 12 irc networks, 50mb of ram for gui, 5mb for text; 12 slack browser tabs: 5GB of RAM ;) [18:25] XRevan86 leah: Ah, in that sense. [18:25] schestowitz-TR I meant @ CrystalMath [18:25] leah some projects just have a git repository [18:25] leah and nothing else [18:26] leah plus maybe some docs [18:26] XRevan86 The next logical step after a self-hosted server for each project would be some kind of network of such servers for convinience. [18:26] XRevan86 and we just invented a classical IRC network [18:26] CrystalMath XRevan86: nah [18:26] schestowitz-TR they can uses p2p [18:27] schestowitz-TR but irc does not do that well afaik [18:27] CrystalMath projects don't all necessarily agree [18:27] schestowitz-TR same for git [18:27] schestowitz-TR the p2p git projects are not reliable, I have heard [18:27] CrystalMath XRevan86: maybe the discord way is better? a host that will just let you create your own IRC server [18:27] CrystalMath which is not linked with anything else [18:27] leah i wonder though [18:27] leah what if i could have both? [18:27] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Sounds like Libera. [18:27] schestowitz-TR discord is a ticking time bomb [18:27] leah host irc.libreboot.org but link it with libera [18:27] schestowitz-TR wait and prepare popcorn [18:27] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Reserve a namespace and enjoy your life. [18:28] leah get it actually put in the round robin [18:28] CrystalMath XRevan86: you can create your own *server* on libera? [18:28] CrystalMath XRevan86: where you're an ircop and don't have to follow ANY network rules? [18:28] DaemonFC The government reopened the intersection at Grand Avenue and US 41 after more than 11 years of construction. [18:28] leah meaning i'd host their other stuff too. i'd be a node for libera [18:28] schestowitz-TR leah: not everyone will reach your channel via the domain [18:28] leah on libera's round robin [18:28] leah but [18:28] XRevan86 CrystalMath: A Discord server ehm, guild, is not actually a server. [18:28] schestowitz-TR most join '/join #libreboot' [18:28] schestowitz-TR *just [18:28] leah oh wait [18:28] leah lol no [18:28] leah sorry ignore me [18:28] leah i'm dehydrated [18:28] CrystalMath XRevan86: yeah but imagine something like that for IRC, which would be an actual server [18:28] leah what i'm saying is nonsense [18:29] CrystalMath but with a master switch that lets you choose one via password like a bouncer [18:29] DaemonFC Government: There's a slight traffic jam at certain times of the day. Also government: Here, let's do an 11 year project creating an all day traffic jam that takes a long time to get through and costs tens of millions of dollars. [18:29] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [18:29] leah but didn't irc.gnu.org link to freenode? [18:29] leah prior to leenode [18:29] CrystalMath so you join... bnc.irchub.net (MADE UP DOMAIN) and then use the server password username/server:password [18:29] leah something like that feels like a nice compromise [18:29] leah and make sure people actually connect to that [18:29] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/us-added-943000-jobs-in-july-unemployment-rate-at-5-4/ [18:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | US added 943,000 jobs in July; unemployment rate at 5.4% | WGN-TV [18:29] CrystalMath the BNC switches you to an internal IRC server! [18:29] leah but then you don't control nick/chanserv [18:29] CrystalMath which was created in some way [18:30] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, THank you for joining us again for Groundhog Day, where we "added" a million more jobs and the unemployment rate, once again, is "5.4%". [18:30] CrystalMath XRevan86: what do you think of this idea/ [18:30] DaemonFC This is impossible, you know. [18:30] CrystalMath then of course, the hub would still kinda own you :/ [18:30] CrystalMath and the hub could impose tyrannical rules like libera [18:30] XRevan86 leah: rianne was connecting to freenode through irc.ubuntu.com for misconfiguration reasons. schestowitz actually thought there's an impostor rianne on Libera :) [18:30] leah lol [18:30] DaemonFC If it was tracking a real unemployment rate and we were adding jobs 5 times faster than the number of new working age adults each month, the rate would go down. [18:31] leah DaemonFC: btw in the UK that happens [18:31] leah DaemonFC: in the UK, prior to covid, the unemployment statistics are very low [18:31] leah but most jobs are shit [18:31] CrystalMath but right now i am connected to libera... [18:31] leah like [18:31] CrystalMath libera.freenode.net :) [18:31] schestowitz-TR [18:19] Fake relativism for fake optimism. The number of people working continues to decrease. The wages do too as inflation rises. https://truthout.org/articles/job-recovery-is-happening-far-more-quickly-than-it-did-after-great-recession/ [18:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Job Recovery Is Happening Far More Quickly Than It Did After Great Recession [18:31] leah a lot of them self-employed people who in reality make fuck-all [18:31] DaemonFC There's now hiring signs everywhere. [18:31] CrystalMath leah: did you know there's a freenode server called libera.freenode.net? :) [18:31] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That idea sounds like an abstraction that ultimately solves nothing. [18:31] DaemonFC Even at the Railway Museum they apologized that the diner wasn't open because of staffing issues. [18:31] leah yeah and i think libera.net was also registered [18:32] Ariadne oh my god [18:32] leah lee registered it [18:32] Ariadne you guys are still talking about this [18:32] Ariadne i literally went to the grocery store for like 45 minutes [18:32] CrystalMath Ariadne: i had a new IRC idea that people ignored [18:32] DaemonFC The best they could do was pre-made cheeseburgers and nachos at a little snack bar, so we waited and went to the Chinese restaurant on the way home. [18:32] leah but irc.libera.net is actually freenode [18:32] schestowitz-TR [17:29] Crashing economy https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/08/06/inexcusably-cruel-75-million-set-lose-jobless-benefits-labor-day [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Inexcusably Cruel': 7.5 Million Set to Lose Jobless Benefits on Labor Day | Common Dreams News [18:32] CrystalMath leah: yeah there's a freenode server called libera [18:32] leah host irc.libera.net [18:32] leah do that in your terminal [18:33] XRevan86 Ariadne: CrystalMath has a genius idea: what if a network allocates an autonomous server to each project like a Discord "server" (guild)! [18:33] leah now i wonder [18:33] leah those 10k users left on freenode [18:33] leah is that people joining irc.libera.net? [18:33] leah :P [18:33] Ariadne XRevan86: that was rasengan's pothead idea [18:33] CrystalMath leah: impossible because of SASL-only :( [18:33] schestowitz-TR some won't be able to connect back [18:33] schestowitz-TR so make it 9k [18:33] schestowitz-TR they are there only until their session lapses [18:33] DaemonFC The low wage employers gave out some relatively large raises earlier in the year. [18:33] XRevan86 Ariadne: It was? Great minds think alike. [18:33] leah when did that SASL-only rule come into effect? [18:33] schestowitz-TR 2 of my machines for example [18:33] CrystalMath leah: a week ago or so [18:34] DaemonFC But Walmart left some people making $12.90 an hour at this store. [18:34] schestowitz-TR leah: wednesday 15. weeks ago [18:34] schestowitz-TR or the day prior [18:34] DaemonFC Moves other people to $16-$17.50 to start. [18:34] schestowitz-TR it was deployed in a staged fashion, we think [18:34] leah also [18:34] DaemonFC The people making $12.90 got fed up and quit because they realized they weren't getting a raise and they couldn't move to another department. [18:34] leah Ariadne: you take 45 minutes to do grocery shopping? [18:34] Ariadne oh [18:34] Ariadne no [18:34] leah how long does it take you to get there? [18:34] Ariadne but i had to drive there [18:34] Ariadne and back [18:34] leah ok [18:35] schestowitz-TR no more webchats for freenode [18:35] schestowitz-TR they might as well remove that page [18:35] Ariadne like 15 minutes [18:35] schestowitz-TR it just complains you cannot access [18:35] Ariadne because there was a wreck [18:35] leah so, 15 minutes in store [18:35] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: Andrew Lee has requested its removal [18:35] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Um, but webchat can be authenticated too. [18:36] sears_hardware maybe trying to replace it with remotes [18:36] CrystalMath XRevan86: i still heard that Andrew Lee has requested the webchat's removal [18:36] CrystalMath one member from the infra team resigned [18:36] CrystalMath around that time [18:36] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Electric rates have been socialized. [18:36] XRevan86 CrystalMath: What kind of yebobo is he [18:37] DaemonFC So "No inflation." because the government absorbed the loss (with tax money). [18:37] XRevan86 * yebob [18:38] DaemonFC The Tollway Authority said our income last year (Mandy not working full year) was low enough to qualify for a program for a free transponder and a $20 one time preload. [18:38] Ariadne l o l [18:39] Ariadne $20 free credit [18:39] Ariadne so basically [18:39] DaemonFC The other benefits are the minimum top off is $4 at a time, so even if they don't renew it next year, I already got the transponder and $20 toll credit. That's the only major perk of the program. [18:39] Ariadne good for one trip on the skyway [18:39] schestowitz-TR CrystalMath: tell "root" ALL the "smart" phones have back doors [18:39] schestowitz-TR not just iOS/Apple [18:39] Ariadne ^^^^^^^^ [18:39] Ariadne unless you get [18:39] XRevan86 \ [18:39] Ariadne postmarketOS :) [18:39] DaemonFC Ariadne, I don't take the Skyway. [18:39] schestowitz-TR thus, he's pushing ALL freenode users to go into the pedoville fantasy he purports to be boycotting [18:39] schestowitz-TR but tell him when he is sober [18:39] Ariadne so like [18:39] Ariadne never? [18:39] schestowitz-TR so it won't fly over his head [18:39] Ariadne :p [18:40] schestowitz-TR Ariadne was right [18:40] XRevan86 CrystalMath: When is port access going down? [18:40] schestowitz-TR freenode is marching towards 0 [18:40] schestowitz-TR it did NOT have to go like this though [18:41] schestowitz-TR we have 33 users in freenode atm [18:41] schestowitz-TR before the mess we peaked around 95 [18:41] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That would be the next logical step requested by the yebob of the freenode autonomous zone. [18:42] CrystalMath XRevan86: i have vaguely heard rumors about a possibility of /nick being disabled [18:42] DaemonFC Taking the Tollway costs $2.25 each way to get to Indiana and avoids that section where I-94 merges into I-80 that's always a bottleneck. [18:42] DaemonFC You end up trapped there for like half an hour. [18:42] CrystalMath XRevan86: but the person who told me this was intoxicated at the time [18:42] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt Citizen Is Paying Users To Run The App And Their Mouths At Crime Scenes And Medical Emergencies https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210801/12405247285/citizen-is-paying-users-to-run-app-their-mouths-crime-scenes-medical-emergencies.shtml [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Citizen Is Paying Users To Run The App And Their Mouths At Crime Scenes And Medical Emergencies | Techdirt [18:43] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That does sounds plausible though. [18:44] XRevan86 to make it easier to track people, for instance, when a quote is copied without the join event present. [18:45] DaemonFC If the Democrats had any sense at all, they'd be working non-stop to approve all of these judges. [18:45] DaemonFC Biden has nominated over 50 at this point and the Senate has only confirmed like 8 of them. [18:46] DaemonFC With the rules the Republicans rammed through last time, the Democrats could start the process and then turn to other business and come back in three days and install another judge. That's like 10 judges per month that they could approve, while working on legislation too. [18:47] DaemonFC They need to make their goal what McConnell's was and make sure that there aren't any vacancies on the federal courts by January 3rd of 2023, just in case. [18:48] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I can easily imagine bagira making a case for that change. [18:48] DaemonFC The Senate could flip and then the Republicans would be pressured to vote as a block to make sure nobody gets confirmed for Biden's next 2 years in case they flip the White House back. [18:48] CrystalMath bagira is still banned today [18:49] schestowitz-TR from freenode? [18:50] DaemonFC "another sign that the U.S. economy continues to bounce back with surprising vigor from last years coronavirus shutdown" [18:50] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: yes [18:50] DaemonFC Wow, and XRevan86 led me to believe Soviet newspapers werebad. [18:50] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: he's been banned for a while now [18:50] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: and nirvana was fired but then restored and made head of staff [18:51] CrystalMath bagira hasn't been staff for a long time now [18:51] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Crain's Chicago Business says 19.1% of Chicago restaurants failed and will never reopen. [18:51] CrystalMath eskimo was fried by the current head of staff [18:51] CrystalMath *fired [18:51] sears_hardware man [18:51] CrystalMath not fried :P [18:51] DaemonFC They also say that number is about 11-12% in most of the surrounding counties. [18:51] XRevan86 DaemonFC: Putin just straight-up said that Russia recovered. [18:51] sears_hardware one day i'm going to have to find out what "blockchain" means [18:51] sears_hardware people just can't stsop talking about it [18:52] DaemonFC DaemonFC: Putin just straight-up said that Russia recovered. [18:52] DaemonFC Well, if Putin says so.... [18:52] CrystalMath schestowitz: if you want to keep up with changes in freenode staff and management you will need *hourly* updates [18:52] DaemonFC :) [18:52] DaemonFC Da, Comrade? [18:52] sears_hardware what is "blockchain-based authentication" [18:52] XRevan86 yep, the economy is great, recovered [18:53] schestowitz-TR [18:50] schestowitz-TR: yes <<---- cannot be a good signed when the same person who was ADMIn in a network is then BANNED by it [18:53] XRevan86 Food's oddly expensive though. [18:53] schestowitz-TR *sign [18:53] DaemonFC Food's oddly expensive though. [18:53] DaemonFC Same here. I was just discussing this with schestowitz-TR. [18:53] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: well you don't know what bagira did? [18:53] schestowitz-TR maybt the SASL thing has more to it than we know about it [18:53] DaemonFC Steak is up by about a third vs. last year, for example. [18:54] schestowitz-TR like tightly controlling the network to prevent particular people entering [18:54] XRevan86 CrystalMath: We know what he could do, but no, we don't. [18:54] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: he started attacking another freenode staffer, made fake linkedin accounts with insults, started calling everyone at freenode pedophiles [18:54] DaemonFC The big inflation seems to be in meat and in packaged goods. [18:54] schestowitz-TR like someone afraid of dirt from someone looking to 'settle' scores [18:54] DaemonFC It doesn't seem to have hit dairy and produce as badly. [18:54] CrystalMath i have no explanation [18:54] XRevan86 CrystalMath: bagira being bagira [18:55] CrystalMath schestowitz-TR: nah bagira went nuts [18:55] CrystalMath i never would have expected to see this [18:55] XRevan86 I only talked to him several times in this channel, he's very self-righteous. [18:55] DaemonFC They push us harder and harder to shop online for groceries, so they can cancel my orders and let me wait a week for the authorization to drop off my credit card. [18:55] DaemonFC :) [18:55] DaemonFC Progress! [18:55] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: you cannot get big discounts this way [18:55] XRevan86 CrystalMath: When he feels threatened, he can go to any measures. He doesn't believe in compromises. [18:56] CrystalMath XRevan86: even attacking his closest friends? [18:56] CrystalMath that's dishonorable [18:56] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, No you can't. Because they don't shop for meat markdowns, and that's more than half the cost of your grocery bill., [18:56] CrystalMath a stab in the back [18:56] sears_hardware https://medium.com/blockchain-blog/blockchain-based-authentication-of-devices-and-people-c7efcfcf0b32 [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Blockchain-based authentication of devices and people | by Rohas Nagpal | Blockchain Blog | Medium [18:56] sears_hardware does anyone understand this [18:57] schestowitz-TR they overcompilicate things [18:57] XRevan86 CrystalMath: He takes community purity very seriously, and when people do something that's not in his vision [18:57] schestowitz-TR people mock IBM for trying to replace simple DB with "blockchain" for no practical benefit, just buzzwords [18:57] DaemonFC I've never needed an alarm clock, oddly enough. I set one just in case, but I generally don't need one. [18:57] schestowitz-TR you do not wake up for work [18:57] DaemonFC Before I go to bed I think "4:30 AM" and it just happens, even if I've only been asleep for 3 hours by that point. [18:57] CrystalMath XRevan86: well the bagira i knew... was against baseless accusations of pedophilia, not doing them [18:58] DaemonFC No, but I did it last night and didn't set my alarm and Mandy forgot to set his. [18:58] DaemonFC So I woke up at 4:28 AM on my own and shook him awake and told him to throw some pants on and run for the car. [18:58] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The encounter that I saw was bagira making baseless accusations on top of a minor transgression that a person actually did. [18:58] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Ye saw it too. [18:58] XRevan86 He does that. [18:59] DaemonFC That was pretty close. [18:59] CrystalMath hmm [18:59] CrystalMath who was it against? [18:59] CrystalMath Ariadne? [18:59] DaemonFC It occasionally doesn't work, and that's why I set an alarm if I really need to be somewhere. [18:59] XRevan86 CrystalMath: No, some dude that squatted his nick on Libera. [18:59] DaemonFC But for the most part I just think about when I need to be awake and I wake up then. It's like 99.5% reliable. [18:59] CrystalMath XRevan86: yeah bagira even told me he'll go to libera, which is nuts ● Aug 07 [19:00] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Whatever, point is, there was a point, but he also just made up stuff to be more mad about him. [19:00] Ariadne i think bagira is just somebody who takes irc drama with slackware people very seriously [19:00] Ariadne but is otherwise harmless [19:00] XRevan86 Ariadne: CrystalMath pretty much just said that bagira is not harmless %) [19:01] Ariadne lmfao [19:02] CrystalMath Ariadne: he kinda doxxed his best friends [19:02] CrystalMath and wrote that they're pedophiles [19:02] Ariadne haha when was that [19:02] CrystalMath umm, two weeks or so ago [19:02] Ariadne amazing [19:03] CrystalMath he was banned from freenode in the end [19:03] CrystalMath hold on i can check when the account was suspended [19:03] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Mandy wakes up at 4 for work. I wake up at 4 to take him to work. Ghetto, ghetto, ghetto man drives his bashed up car with no headlights down the wrong lane to scare the hell out of me on the way back. [19:03] sears_hardware doxxing very annoying [19:03] CrystalMath Ariadne: July 24th [19:03] DaemonFC It's a nice little rhythm. I suppose the cops may eventually catch Ghetto Man, but there's always more, assuming the judge even does anything to him if they do. [19:04] sears_hardware man time flies when you're having fun [19:04] Ariadne i should install this power liftgate kit for my tesla's frunk [19:05] techrights-news #LatteDock 0.10 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154254#comment-30484 [19:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latte Dock v0.10.0 | Official Stable Release | Tux Machines [19:05] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Oh, and the baseless accusations against that squatter person, they also involved an extensive amount of doxxing. [19:05] DaemonFC I finally have my answer as to how much a filthy air filter affects gas mileage on a 2003 Impala. [19:05] DaemonFC About 4% overall. [19:05] DaemonFC That's according to the computer. [19:05] Ariadne its fascinating to see how everyone who has intersected rasengan has been sent on a self-destructive trajectory, and also sad [19:06] CrystalMath Ariadne: hey i'm still alright [19:06] DaemonFC i should install this power liftgate kit for my tesla's frunk [19:06] Ariadne i'm talking about the people who got staffed up [19:06] DaemonFC They had one in my 1996 Crown Victoria. [19:06] Ariadne your crown vic had a frunk? [19:06] CrystalMath Ariadne: i was briefly a helper, does htat count? [19:06] DaemonFC They had what was left of the wiring still in there when I bought it. [19:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.38 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 41.91 swarm size (avg): 278.08 [19:06] CrystalMath *that [19:06] DaemonFC Well, not exactly. [19:06] Ariadne on tesla, there is the trunk, and then there is also the frunk [19:06] CrystalMath Ariadne: but i wasn't asked to join the team by rasengan but by Foxy [19:06] Ariadne because theres no gas engine [19:06] DaemonFC It was meant to lift a rascal scooter out of the trunk for some old lady. [19:06] Ariadne so where the hood is, is more storage [19:07] DaemonFC I hate electric engines, honestly. [19:07] Ariadne ah yes, Foxy, the person who leaked a rizon user's IP [19:07] Ariadne to a script kiddie [19:07] DaemonFC I mean, I get that's where things are going, but it was simple, cheap, and reliable to keep something like a Crown Victoria going for a long time. [19:07] Ariadne rizon of course would like me to let you know that is just an allegation [19:07] DaemonFC Most of them make it to 500,000+ miles if you just take care of them a little. [19:08] Ariadne but, off the record i know it to be accurate :) [19:08] DaemonFC No Tesla will ever be worth that. [19:08] Ariadne dunno [19:08] Ariadne electric motors are pretty durable really [19:08] Ariadne teslas, however, are engineered so that repairing them is like playing a game of tetris [19:08] techrights-news : Defender is to Microsoft just a #Monopoly Defender; as it turns out, #Microsoft rapidly loses its monopoly power/rents http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/the-market-share-video/ [19:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Uses the Media to Attack GNU/Linux and It Also Utilises Windows Defender to Discourage Adoption of Free Software | Techrights [19:09] CrystalMath Ariadne: i think Foxy is a nice person [19:09] Ariadne nice or not, they did leak a user's IP [19:10] Ariadne it is possible for nice people to do bad things [19:10] DaemonFC Tesla uses secret software and doesn't produce repair manuals and nobody makes aftermarket parts for anything important. [19:10] CrystalMath but even if it did happen you have no evidence that it was deliberate [19:10] DaemonFC Much less the powertrain. [19:10] CrystalMath besides IP addresses are NOT a secret [19:10] DaemonFC Then when the car is out of warranty if it has a problem it may be sitting there for months, useless, before Tesla gets around to working on it. [19:10] Ariadne they are scrambled on rizon for non-opers :) [19:10] DaemonFC There's no fast chargers anywhere near me. [19:10] CrystalMath Ariadne: only in the last decade [19:11] Ariadne since the beginning, but plexus used to have leaks [19:11] DaemonFC And you need to swap out the entire battery, which is almost as expensive than a brand new gasoline engine was. [19:12] Ariadne look i just like having instant torque [19:12] DaemonFC And you can plan on doing that around 100,000-150,000 miles or so, which is why there's so many used battery cars on the market with about that many miles on them. [19:12] CrystalMath Ariadne: but still IP addresses were never a big deal [19:12] CrystalMath most networks never hid them [19:12] Ariadne CrystalMath: they are if you wanna ddos somebody [19:12] DaemonFC I probably wouldn't buy a used hybrid from a reputable and profitable company like Toyota, much less Elon Musk. [19:12] techrights-news "Edge is the modern day hydra... Cut it's head off and it multiplies and gets reinstalled." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC7offaMZ1Q while #microsoft incites against other companies: http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/ [19:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Uninstall Microsoft Edge and Keep it from Coming Back - YouTube [19:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights [19:13] Ariadne DaemonFC: wouldn't know, i am just leasing it [19:13] CrystalMath Ariadne: well that used to be a thing people always had to watch out for [19:13] DaemonFC You can get really good fuel economy from a gasoline engine, but the politicians have skipped over this. [19:13] Ariadne yeah and then IPs started being scrambled [19:13] CrystalMath now that the internet no longer consists of true peers [19:13] CrystalMath this is no longer anything [19:13] DaemonFC Instead, they're doing The Return of Solyndra with Tesla. [19:13] Ariadne gas engines dont give me instant torque [19:14] Ariadne i didn't get an EV because i wanted to save the environment, i got an EV because i wanted to be able to merge into traffic with confidence [19:15] DaemonFC I can do that with my 2003 Impala. [19:15] Ariadne not like you can in a tesla :D [19:15] DaemonFC There was a jerk in a Tesla that tried to get around me the other day. [19:15] DaemonFC It didn't end well for him. [19:16] DaemonFC I saw what he was doing, so I got beside a semi in the left lane and did a rolling roadblock with the Tesla guy stuck behind me. [19:16] Ariadne in Oklahoma, you would get a $450 ticket for that :) [19:16] CrystalMath DaemonFC: well i always appreciate every victory of older technology [19:16] CrystalMath so great work [19:16] DaemonFC Meh, it's not Oklahoma. [19:16] Ariadne there are cameras [19:17] Ariadne every half mile [19:17] Ariadne if you impede the passing lane, a trooper will pop out of nowhere and get you [19:17] Ariadne especially if you're a trucker :D [19:17] DaemonFC He pulled out of me at Dunkin Donuts on US 41. [19:17] DaemonFC Then almost caused an accident. [19:18] DaemonFC So I pulled into the left lane, floored it, and then trapped him at 50 miles an hour behind me for about 10 miles or so. [19:18] DaemonFC *in front of me [19:19] CrystalMath DaemonFC: i hate that guy too, but because he was driving a newer car than yours, regardless of the engine type [19:19] DaemonFC The Impala has been handling a lot better lately. Although I suppose it should. [19:19] DaemonFC Almost the entire front suspension is new at this point. [19:19] DaemonFC Along with much of the engine. [19:19] CrystalMath new = bad, old = good [19:20] CrystalMath but of course if it was an 80s car that did that to you my opinion would be the reverse [19:20] CrystalMath :P [19:20] DaemonFC Illinois only lets you claim so much as a car equity exemption in bankruptcy. [19:21] DaemonFC So it made more sense to repair a car that the trustee couldn't value at enough to bother taking than to get a newer car. [19:22] DaemonFC Now that it runs fine, why get rid of it? [19:22] DaemonFC brb [19:22] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:27] techrights-news KDE Kicks Off August With Many Bug Fixes To Benefit Steam Deck & More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154255#comment-30485 [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Stability | Tux Machines [19:33] techrights-news DRM Lease Protocol Support Merged For #Wayland For VR Headsets - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Wayland-DRM-Lease-Merged #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/07/#latest [19:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DRM Lease Protocol Support Merged For Wayland For VR Headsets - Phoronix [19:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [19:34] techrights-news #AMD Prepares More Graphics Driver Code For Linux 5.15 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.15-More-AMDGPU #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/07/#latest [19:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD Prepares More Graphics Driver Code For Linux 5.15 - Phoronix [19:37] techrights-news Valve to make avail EVERY WINDOWS GAME on Deck before December https://asktogrow.com/linux/valve-to-make-avail-every-windows-game-on-deck-before-december/ #asktogrow [19:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Valve to make avail EVERY WINDOWS GAME on Deck before December Open Source & Linux News, Business Ideas & Much more at one place - Asktogrow.com [19:38] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154264 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [19:39] techrights-news #Graphics: AMDGPU, Wayland, Gallium3D http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154265 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: AMDGPU, Wayland, Gallium3D | Tux Machines [19:44] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:44] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:46] techrights-news #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154266 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:48] techrights-news #china still remembers #opiumWars https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/04/china_gaming_spiritual_opium/ [19:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Chinese state media describes gaming as 'spiritual opium' that stunts education and destroys families The Register [19:48] gustaf I was prepared to give Lee the benefit of the doubt [19:49] gustaf then he / nirvana booted us from our channel ;) [19:50] techrights-news #Germany health professionals will communicate with each other through the open source Matrix protocol http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154267 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | German health professionals will communicate with each other through the open source Matrix protocol | Tux Machines [19:51] schestowitz-TR gustaf: which channel? [19:51] XRevan86 schestowitz: gustaf means the Libera topic mention channel kick-off. [19:51] schestowitz-TR the whole thing is sad to me, for the following reasons [19:52] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: yes, that was the moment I switched sides so to speak [19:52] schestowitz-TR and I confronted Lee over it [19:52] schestowitz-TR he said he would explain [19:52] schestowitz-TR so I waited [19:52] schestowitz-TR and then there was a non-apology in freenode.net [19:52] schestowitz-TR he has kids and debt [19:53] schestowitz-TR these situations often lead to chronic addictional, irrational flippant moves, divorce etc. [19:53] schestowitz-TR he didn't start as mean-spirited [19:53] schestowitz-TR and he tried to be all polite and professional [19:54] techrights-news #Games: Jupiter Hell, Deck, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154268 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Jupiter Hell, Deck, and More | Tux Machines [19:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: And just a tad bit passive-aggressive. [19:55] schestowitz-TR tempered maybe [19:55] schestowitz-TR but we cannot see other factors [19:56] schestowitz-TR like pressure from his bosses at Kape [19:56] schestowitz-TR and lenders [19:56] schestowitz-TR and wife etc. [19:56] schestowitz-TR even his brother might be seeing him as a liability, but shells.com provided hosting, so I assume he is understnding and supportive [19:56] schestowitz-TR nirvana is, iirc, a worker of alex [19:56] schestowitz-TR we need to take emotional factors into account [19:56] XRevan86 schestowitz: Is nirvana Kevin? [19:57] schestowitz-TR it didn't start so combative [19:57] schestowitz-TR and when I got involved tomaw and lee were still negotiation [19:57] schestowitz-TR *in [19:57] schestowitz-TR looking for an amicable resolution of some kind, in private [19:57] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: I think so [19:57] schestowitz-TR Ariadne would know the name, maybe Shane? [19:58] schestowitz-TR at this point, the freenode association is likely a liability to shells [19:58] schestowitz-TR as reputation by proxy is a thing [19:58] schestowitz-TR kape, pia, freenode [19:58] schestowitz-TR the odour spreads [19:58] schestowitz-TR karpeles [19:59] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's definitely a liability. [19:59] schestowitz-TR freenode wants your channels [19:59] schestowitz-TR shells wants your data [19:59] schestowitz-TR like, desktop, virtually [19:59] schestowitz-TR so you need trust ● Aug 07 [20:00] XRevan86 Shells got a lot of bad press over investing into something that wasn't ever going to help them make money directly. [20:00] schestowitz-TR if shells is run by someone who breaks things every week, you would not start paying for subscriptions [20:00] schestowitz-TR daemonfs says pira starting rouiting through some dodgy entiry [20:00] schestowitz-TR *entity [20:00] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:00] MinceR i think illibera is not "ok" and won't be "ok" until they get rid of the IBM puppets [20:00] schestowitz-TR MinceR: it's a false dichtony, I think [20:00] schestowitz-TR freenode-old, freenode-new, LC [20:01] schestowitz-TR OFTC, I was told, has overlaps [20:01] schestowitz-TR I lost track of which names [20:01] schestowitz-TR I was told which members of staff [20:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights [20:02] schestowitz-TR if you don't trust fedora, will you trust ubuntu? [20:02] schestowitz-TR fedora: wayland, gnu, linux, gnome [20:02] schestowitz-TR ubuntu: soon wayland, gnu, linux, gnome [20:02] schestowitz-TR ubuntu usually a little behind with versions [20:02] schestowitz-TR alpine: linux, busybox, lxd etc. [20:03] schestowitz-TR iirc, openbsd doesn't even come with x or anything [20:07] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [20:08] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [20:08] AdmFubar https://hackaday.com/2021/08/06/retro-computers-from-paper/ [20:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Retro Computers From Paper | Hackaday [20:13] *inky_ (~inky@5.77.143.131) has joined #techrights [20:15] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: 0/ [20:16] techrights-news #Tor, Programming, and Modding Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154269 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tor, Programming, and Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:17] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154270 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [20:17] MinceR 07 200552 < Ariadne> its fascinating to see how everyone who has intersected rasengan has been sent on a self-destructive trajectory, and also sad [20:18] MinceR well, rasengan is something like an attack spell [20:19] kingoffrance considering how many old games had poor english translations, that sounds plausible :D [20:19] kingoffrance that would totally be a name of a spell [20:19] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [20:20] schestowitz-TR seems like freenode was acui-hired [20:20] schestowitz-TR hire the owner [20:20] schestowitz-TR call that a buyout [20:20] schestowitz-TR lots of companies do it [20:20] schestowitz-TR they make up some fake or fictional sale price [20:20] XRevan86 omae wa moe, fleenoderu [20:20] schestowitz-TR they 'pay' with "shares" [20:21] schestowitz-TR based on bogus values, share buybacks etc. [20:21] schestowitz-TR and debt [20:21] schestowitz-TR and the staff just moves over [20:21] schestowitz-TR i.e. hired [20:21] schestowitz-TR in the case of hololens microsoft just fired all the stuff [20:21] schestowitz-TR maybe they just wanted the patents and name [20:21] schestowitz-TR not even any of the staff [20:22] MinceR :> [20:22] schestowitz-TR *staff [20:23] schestowitz-TR later pentagon biden gave them bailout money [20:23] schestowitz-TR $22,000,000,000 [20:23] schestowitz-TR "military" [20:23] schestowitz-TR for "hololens" [20:23] schestowitz-TR whose whole staff was fired [20:23] schestowitz-TR veryy suspicious [20:23] schestowitz-TR Trump also bailed out Microsoft, several times [20:23] schestowitz-TR the later times, e.g. JEDI, it didn't "take" [20:24] schestowitz-TR when cheeto left office the contract was ripped apart [20:24] *inky_ (~inky@5.77.143.131) has joined #techrights [20:24] techrights-news Links 7/8/2021: Latte Dock 0.10, Godot 3.4 beta 3, Krita 4.4.7 http://techrights.org/2021/08/07/godot-3-4-beta-3/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/07/godot-3-4-beta-3/ [20:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 7/8/2021: Latte Dock 0.10, Godot 3.4 beta 3, Krita 4.4.7 | Techrights [20:28] *inky_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:28] *inky_ (~inky@5.77.143.131) has joined #techrights [20:32] MinceR (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/jSL34K1.mp4 [20:34] techrights-news What we learned from Hands On w/ the #SteamDeck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmpogZT7q74 #archlinux #gnu #linux #games [20:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What we learned from Hands On w/ the Steam Deck - YouTube [20:35] techrights-news "Today, we're going to go to a very happy place: the time when I started using desktop Linux, and why I fell in love with it. So grab a cup of tea, or coffee if you're THAT sort of person, wrap yourself in a cozy blanket, and close your eyes, because it's story time!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc5v6gxvQ2g [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The ONE REASON why I fell in LOVE with LINUX (and a lot of other reasons) - YouTube [20:36] schestowitz MinceR: no punchline! [20:36] MinceR you don't always have to have a punchline [20:36] schestowitz-TR kitty scratching [20:37] schestowitz-TR won't use the p word [20:37] schestowitz-TR anyway, we consider getting bunnies [20:37] MinceR https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/joke-he-goes-to-get-her-punch-and-there-is-no-punchline.jpg [20:37] schestowitz-TR but thought about it for weeks, not sure yet [20:37] schestowitz-TR cats are too bossy [20:37] MinceR depends on the ct [20:37] MinceR s/ct/cat/ [20:38] MinceR also, cats don't shit everywhere :> [20:39] techrights-news Seems the #Valve #SteamDeck has been impressing people with some hands-on time | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/seems-the-valve-steam-deck-has-been-impressing-people-with-some-hands-on-time #GamingOnLinux [20:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Seems the Valve Steam Deck has been impressing people with some hands-on time | GamingOnLinux [20:43] techrights-news " #Apple has announced that it will start scanning your personal files on your devices for "Child Sexual Abuse Material", as identified by its cryptographic hash." http://web.elastic.org/~fche/blog4/posts/hash_attack/ [20:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.elastic.org | hash attack [20:44] techrights-news Those cryptographic hashes are how #billgates engineer got caught with child rape photos including http://techrights.org/2020/08/21/zoophilia-gates-estate/ [20:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Melinda and Zoophilia Found in Tandem in the Illegal Pornographic Stash of Bill Gates Engineer | Techrights [20:45] techrights-news HEY HI acceleration = #marketing bullcrap. https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/02/google_pixel_6_tensor/ [20:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Google says Pixel 6, 6 Pro coming this year with custom AI acceleration The Register [20:47] Ariadne ok now i can push a button and my frunk opens itself how cool [20:47] Ariadne its like 45c outside so i think my day is over man [20:47] schestowitz-TR 45?? [20:48] schestowitz-TR I can barely fuction at 28 [20:50] techrights-news #HP EliteBook 840 G7 with openSUSE Continued http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154271 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP EliteBook 840 G7 with openSUSE Continued | Tux Machines [20:50] techrights-news Its Time for #Ubuntu to Opt for a Hybrid Rolling Release Model http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154272 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Its Time for Ubuntu to Opt for a Hybrid Rolling Release Model | Tux Machines [20:50] MinceR lol [20:51] MinceR yeah, i'm sure the only problem with ubunturd was the release model [20:52] techrights-news What happened to Opensource.com h No material left? Recently it has been posting howtos that aren't unique or really different from those composed in the 1990s, maybe even 80s. By "Linux terminal" they mean #GNU [20:53] techrights-news #KDE is All About the Apps, an #Akademy 2021 recap - TheBlindCow https://www.proli.net/2021/08/07/kde-is-all-about-the-apps-an-akademy-2021-recap/ #proli [20:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proli.net | KDE is All About the Apps, an Akademy 2021 recap TheBlindCow [20:54] MinceR https://www.oglaf.com/likely-stories/ [20:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oglaf.com | likely stories [20:54] techrights-news You know it's a "suit" (of #ibm in this case) when you see terms like "Digital Economy"... https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/08/the-evolution-of-shopping-in-the-digital-economy.html [20:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The Evolution of Shopping in the Digital Economy [20:54] MinceR "#KDE is All About the Apps" -- translation: we understand now that we've fucked up our desktop environment and we have no idea how to fix it [20:55] *cow_2001 (~un@user/cow-2001/x-5712099) has joined #techrights [20:56] techrights-news samcv: I am resigning from The Perl Foundation https://cry.nu/perl/perl-foundation-resignation/ #perl #programming [20:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cry.nu | I am resigning from The Perl Foundation [20:58] *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@7zhwdwu3fntke.irc) has joined #techrights [20:58] techrights-news #perl needs to #deletegithub and so should these people https://twitter.com/SamanthaMcVey/status/1423949270210732032 #github = #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware prison + racism: http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/github-is-racism/ [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SamanthaMcVey: I am resigning as Chair of the Community Affair Team (Code of Conduct team) of The #Perl Foundation, effective imme https://t.co/OBYMzScfn8 [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SamanthaMcVey: I am resigning as Chair of the Community Affair Team (Code of Conduct team) of The #Perl Foundation, effective imme https://t.co/OBYMzScfn8 [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHub is Racism | Techrights [20:59] schestowitz-TR MinceR: no, the desktop is OK now [20:59] schestowitz-TR what version did you last try from kde? ● Aug 07 [21:00] MinceR 4.3 [21:00] schestowitz-TR for me, it works a lot better than kde 3.5.x [21:00] MinceR the "we finally fixed 4.x" version [21:00] schestowitz-TR MinceR: try the latest [21:00] schestowitz-TR it's stable and good and has all the features [21:00] MinceR then 5.x was announced with systemd support [21:00] schestowitz-TR gentoo has it w/o systemd [21:00] MinceR i'm good with fvwm and tint2 [21:00] schestowitz-TR you beat me to it re systemd [21:00] schestowitz-TR MinceR: ok, fair enough [21:01] schestowitz-TR but kde 4.3 cannot be compared to 5.23 [21:01] schestowitz-TR they're also like a decade apart, I think [21:03] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Here's my reply to NBC Chicago's post about the $2,000 a month stimulus proposal. [21:03] DaemonFC "You can give every American $2,000 a month, but don't say I didn't warn you when steak is $300 a pound and a 1 bedroom apartment is $5,000 a month in the ghetto 12 months in. As soon as they know you have it, the businesses and the landlords will move in and they'll take all of it. [21:03] DaemonFC " [21:04] DaemonFC They always have before, but the reason why it's been 2-3% on a typical year is that's about how much the wages tend to go up. [21:05] MinceR the Precursor looks promising, except it needs more ram and storage to run a free unix :> [21:05] Ariadne MinceR: you know, if you like free software and no-systemd, there is always alpine :p [21:06] MinceR yeah, there's an alpine derivative on my pinephone [21:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.11 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 31.23 swarm size (avg): 278.01 [21:06] MinceR but i don't really trust the future of Linux so i'm trying to build skills and practices with some other free unix ernel [21:06] MinceR s/ern/kern/ [21:09] DaemonFC Ariadne, I just don't want a car that runs non-Free software in a meaningful sense of the word. [21:09] Ariadne better get rid of your 2003 Impala then [21:09] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, The Impala sort of does, but it more closely resembles RMS saying that's fine if it functions more like a circuit than software. [21:10] DaemonFC About the only thing it can do is manage how the engine runs and report trouble codes using a standardized format. [21:10] DaemonFC Nobody knows what the Tesla does and it gets OTA "upgrades" like Windows 10. [21:10] DaemonFC Even worse, it has another non-Free computer that interacts with the user and won't always get upgrades, rendering it essentially useless someday. [21:11] DaemonFC The ECM on the Impala doesn't change, doesn't do OTA "upgrades" that might do something bad, and doesn't really care what year it is, and doesn't "talk" to me except to say if something's not working right. [21:12] DaemonFC The very worst thing that happens if you remove power from it and then power is restored, is it forgets your radio settings. [21:12] DaemonFC Unlike BMWs, which forget how to roll the windows up and down unless you pay the dealer to reprogram it. [21:13] MinceR lol [21:13] DaemonFC "Hmm, down, up, down, up....I can totally see why the fucking Germans put this in volatile RAM." [21:13] MinceR hey, it was cheaper for them [21:14] DaemonFC How is that cheaper? [21:14] MinceR just like all the fragile plastic under the hood [21:14] DaemonFC The Impala has some of that (intakes), but you can get at them without taking half the car apart and 7 hours of labor. [21:14] MinceR afaik DRAM is cheaper than flash EEPROM per bit [21:15] MinceR presumably the bit of plastic the alleged engine blows a flame at to set the whole alleged car on fire was also a cheap solution for something [21:18] AdmFubar https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2021/08/06/video-a-short-documentary-on-the-infamous-cleveland-clinic-x-ray-fire-disaster-of-1929 [21:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.clevescene.com | Video: A Short Documentary on the Infamous Cleveland Clinic X-Ray Fire Disaster of 1929 | Scene and Heard: Scene's News Blog [21:50] DaemonFC Amazon to require masks for all warehouse workers. [21:50] DaemonFC Apparently they needed to call more ambulances for people collapsing in the August sun. [21:51] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [21:52] *inky_ (~inky@46.70.181.170) has joined #techrights [21:57] DaemonFC Ariadne, So, I continued my Geico quote just for the hell of it. [21:57] *cow_2001 has quit (Quit: cow_2001) [21:58] DaemonFC Previously they said they wanted $466 for a 6 month term, but changing "Not currently insured because I didn't need it." to "Yes I have insurance" brought the 6 month paid in full quote from $466 to $370. [21:58] DaemonFC Since MetroMile lets you cancel anytime you want, I could theoretically do so right now and start Geico the next day and I wouldn't have done anything wrong. ● Aug 07 [22:06] DaemonFC Geico's "drive easy" program says it gathers data on weather so they can ding you for driving in bad weather too,. [22:06] DaemonFC LOL [22:07] DaemonFC It sounds like there's going to be so many savings you'll get tired of all the savings. [22:08] MinceR By Grabthar's Hammer, what a savings! [22:13] DaemonFC I played Richard III. There were five curtain calls. I was an actor once, damn it. Now look at me. Look at me! I wont go out there and say that stupid line one more time. [22:13] MinceR :> [22:14] *activelow sighs [22:14] activelow webkit-gtk fails [22:14] MinceR what a surprising thing for a combination of gtk and webkit to do :> [22:15] DaemonFC HAH! [22:15] activelow was hoping for a replacement to kick out mozilla [22:15] DaemonFC Browse site. Wait for it to crash. File bug. [22:15] DaemonFC Repeat. [22:15] *psydroid_ has quit (connection closed) [22:16] activelow the compilation fails, it simply gets stuck repeatedly [22:16] activelow without error message [22:16] activelow tried twice last nicht, stuck for hours, distcc/g++ hit 100% cpu, and then nothing [22:16] DaemonFC Alan Rickman will be missed. [22:17] MinceR indeed [22:17] activelow it is a drama, really, because i am left with an old mozilla, with javascript regularly crashing, and no other alternative (except netsurf, or gemini) [22:18] activelow this is the status of free/open web browsers [22:22] DaemonFC MinceR, Mom appreciates my sense of humor sometimes. Rarely. [22:22] DaemonFC She was talking about how a resident had gone completely crazy once (no names obviously, so I have no idea who she was referring to), this was years ago. [22:22] DaemonFC Then died. [22:23] DaemonFC I said, "Blessed Silence?". [22:23] DaemonFC It's a religious place, so it seemed fitting. [22:24] DaemonFC I have overly sensitive hearing and always have. I have to sleep with earplugs even when we don't have bad neighbors just to muffle the bumps and normal refrigerator noises and stuff. [22:26] activelow anyway, this means i cannot offer any distribution anymore with a web-browser suitable for youtube and other "next level of shit" [22:27] activelow a web browser which i consider free/open [22:28] MinceR is webkit acceptable but not blink? [22:29] activelow not easily answered: the browser engine (rendering, javascript) needs to be distinguished from the final bundle [22:30] activelow webkit (apple) is used by epiphany or midori, which are not available currently [22:30] activelow then, another option is chromium (and rebranded variants), which i am not at least willing to review anymore, given the size of the source bundle [22:31] MinceR i guess a free version/fork of qt5 is also out [22:32] activelow yes, there is another option: qt/webengine, although qt5 with it's dependency graph is hitting dbus/systemd rather often, which means i got qt5 but none of the kde stuff [22:33] activelow which excluded some other browser options [22:33] activelow Blink is chromium, i am not willing to download the sources anymore, since this is 1.5GiB of disk space every few days with another update of some more shit [22:33] *gde35|2 (~kvirc@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [22:34] *gde35|2 has quit (Client Quit) [22:34] *gde35 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) [22:34] *gde35 (~kvirc@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [22:35] activelow so, i am stuck with an old mozilla version which has various problems. i mean i can keep this for some more month, or maybe even years, but it is dead end already. [22:35] activelow i will not accept rust language and llvm/clang [22:38] activelow if a viable compiler alternative for aarch64 existed, then i would invest all my time into kicking gcc and c++, and not look back anymore to what fsf/gnu/ibm are doing [22:56] DaemonFC Qt is an even bigger disaster than GTK lately. [22:57] DaemonFC The API is all over the place. The upstream is a troll that's completely hostile to having a usable open source edition. Then there's Chromium as a dependency whether that's even useful or not. Eww. ● Aug 07 [23:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 36.45 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 93.63 swarm size (avg): 277.93 [23:10] *psydruid has quit (connection closed) [23:16] *inky (~inky@5.77.143.131) has joined #techrights [23:19] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [23:19] DaemonFC One thing that struck me about Illinois is how many "psychics" there are here. [23:20] DaemonFC Wonder if they saw this coming, or won the lottery recently. [23:26] activelow QT == c++ [23:27] activelow didn't verify yet if gtk3 is locked into c++ too, chances are it is not, not yet [23:27] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:28] activelow if my mood wasn't bad enough already, currently the city is terrorized again, by some arab/turk/lebanese gangs speeding with their cars [23:30] activelow even if speed is limited to 30Km/h they take the chance to go full throttle [23:43] *inky (~inky@188.115.225.35) has joined #techrights [23:46] XRevan86 activelow: GTK is GLib-based, on C99+. [23:47] XRevan86 And it will never go the C++ route. [23:48] XRevan86 Instead it went the GObject Introspection route, with strong bindings for a lot of languages. + Vala. [23:49] activelow XRevan86: some background to this, with gentoo i have full control over various features, including introspection which is fully disabled too, and retained GTK3 [23:51] activelow Vala can be removed entirely too [23:57] activelow to verify the GTK dependency graph there is only one way to do it: use a GCC with c++ support removed and compile a release including gtk/X11 and see what remains [23:58] activelow since indirect dependency could exist which breaks the tree [23:59] activelow and, it is not worth the effort yet if i cannot be sure any GCC alternative (excluding clang/llvm) suffices: pcc/tcc/or any other