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XRevan86 | it's not like there was a lot of competition for party names | Oct 07 00:00 |
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XRevan86 | meanwhile, the Navalny's unregistered party got renamed a three times if I count right | Oct 07 00:00 |
XRevan86 | because the registers keep registering same-named bogus parties %) | Oct 07 00:01 |
XRevan86 | and I didn't count right | Oct 07 00:02 |
XRevan86 | two times | Oct 07 00:02 |
XRevan86 | The last name is also claimed to be occupied, but no one was able to find the bogus party that took the name Russia of the Future | Oct 07 00:03 |
XRevan86 | it seems the said party kept the name (for now? or maybe it gave up) | Oct 07 00:04 |
XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/aOE_3_Ws4y0?t=1715 about Russian newssources | Oct 07 00:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-СОБАЧЬЕ СЕРДЦЕ (советский фильм комедия драма) - YouTube | Oct 07 00:18 | |
XRevan86 | (with subtitles) | Oct 07 00:18 |
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scientes | long video | Oct 07 00:36 |
scientes | second 1715 | Oct 07 00:37 |
scientes | transplant a human pituitary ordinary pooch | Oct 07 00:37 |
scientes | hehehe, oh I love dark humor | Oct 07 00:38 |
scientes | this loos very new however | Oct 07 00:38 |
scientes | the picture is crisp like it wasn't on film | Oct 07 00:39 |
XRevan86 | scientes: It's the whole film %) | Oct 07 00:39 |
XRevan86 | scientes: It's just stylised as black-and-white | Oct 07 00:39 |
XRevan86 | it's shot in the late 80s | Oct 07 00:39 |
scientes | oh, so still on film however | Oct 07 00:39 |
scientes | where? | Oct 07 00:39 |
XRevan86 | I can just give you the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_a_Dog_(1988_film) | Oct 07 00:40 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Heart of a Dog (1988 film) - Wikipedia | Oct 07 00:40 | |
scientes | 1925 | Oct 07 00:40 |
scientes | " Its publication was initially prohibited in the Soviet Union, but it circulated in samizdat until it was officially released in the country in 1987." | Oct 07 00:40 |
XRevan86 | scientes: It's full of commentary on the early days after the revolution. | Oct 07 00:40 |
scientes | hmm, peristroika is interesting | Oct 07 00:40 |
scientes | "1988 Soviet television film " | Oct 07 00:42 |
XRevan86 | IIRC, the film isn't critical of the higher political powers, it even features a (very) Stalin-esque figure in a non-negative light. | Oct 07 00:42 |
scientes | yeah but its almost more interesting that peristroika they had to self-criticize | Oct 07 00:42 |
scientes | or I guess they chose this cause it was only critical of communism | Oct 07 00:42 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Gorbachëv did deliver on loosening up | Oct 07 00:43 |
scientes | but Animal Farm is much more to the point | Oct 07 00:43 |
MinceR | did he really, though? | Oct 07 00:43 |
scientes | except on the booze | Oct 07 00:43 |
scientes | and what else could you use when you need to loosen up? | Oct 07 00:44 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: I didn't say all the way %) | Oct 07 00:44 |
scientes | how can you loosen up sober? | Oct 07 00:44 |
MinceR | :> | Oct 07 00:44 |
scientes | everything is falling apart, and now you can't drink? | Oct 07 00:45 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Heart of a Dog (the film at least) is focused on clueless people getting power. | Oct 07 00:45 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Not comparable to Animal Farm at all. | Oct 07 00:45 |
scientes | it sounds quite mild | Oct 07 00:46 |
scientes | Animal Farm is simple and brutally real | Oct 07 00:46 |
scientes | very good book | Oct 07 00:46 |
XRevan86 | scientes: I read and saw a cartoon | Oct 07 00:46 |
scientes | along with 1984 | Oct 07 00:46 |
XRevan86 | the cartoon is pretty good | Oct 07 00:46 |
scientes | ALL ANIMALS ARE CREATED EQUAL EXCEPT SOME ANIMAL ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS | Oct 07 00:47 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Anyway, the film is just good. | Oct 07 00:47 |
scientes | All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others | Oct 07 00:47 |
MinceR | four legs good, two legs better! | Oct 07 00:48 |
scientes | I mean, every government is based on that sort of thing | Oct 07 00:49 |
scientes | well no, only the US, because it doesn't have an ethnic identity | Oct 07 00:49 |
scientes | and is a powder keg about to explode | Oct 07 00:49 |
XRevan86 | All parties are equal, but some parties get to be on the ballot. | Oct 07 00:49 |
MinceR | governments should not exist | Oct 07 00:51 |
scientes | MinceR, my grandfather had to declare "I am not an anarchist" to get US Citizenship | Oct 07 00:52 |
scientes | it was actually quite a thread at the start of the 20th century | Oct 07 00:52 |
scientes | *threat | Oct 07 00:52 |
scientes | to governments that is | Oct 07 00:52 |
MinceR | not worth it | Oct 07 00:53 |
scientes | South America shows that bus transportation is best done privately | Oct 07 00:53 |
scientes | MinceR, otherwise he would have been dead in Russia | Oct 07 00:53 |
MinceR | being ruled by Agent Orange and being fleeced by that government wherever you go | Oct 07 00:53 |
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MinceR | were there no other countries? | Oct 07 00:54 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Was he an anarchist? :) | Oct 07 00:54 |
scientes | Jew | Oct 07 00:54 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, I remember. My question stands | Oct 07 00:55 |
scientes | hehehe | Oct 07 00:56 |
scientes | This movie is much more obviously anti-communist than the book | Oct 07 00:57 |
scientes | as it is creating straw-men to make ridicule communism | Oct 07 00:57 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Which? | Oct 07 00:57 |
scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJOaW-MviVk | Oct 07 00:57 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Animal Farm (1954 film) - YouTube | Oct 07 00:58 | |
XRevan86 | ah | Oct 07 00:58 |
scientes | its almost trying to conflate hippies and communists | Oct 07 00:58 |
XRevan86 | What I noticed about it is it's emphasised how some owners are adorable kind farmers | Oct 07 00:59 |
scientes | this was the height of the cold war | Oct 07 01:01 |
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schestowitz | XRevan86: that report is in Russian | Oct 07 01:28 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Alas I couldn't find it in English. | Oct 07 01:29 |
schestowitz | Work in progress: #FreeSoftware Federation | Oct 07 01:30 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Free_Software_Federation #freesw | Oct 07 01:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Federation - Techrights | Oct 07 01:30 | |
schestowitz | XRevan86: important? | Oct 07 01:30 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: It brought up some interesting stuff | Oct 07 01:31 |
XRevan86 | Like a famous doctor Roshal' stated that he cannot back this up because who's going to help children while their fighting for no mold and minimum wage salaries | Oct 07 01:32 |
XRevan86 | * they're fighting | Oct 07 01:33 |
XRevan86 | So egotistic of them child cancer surgeons | Oct 07 01:33 |
scientes | as these cancers terminal? | Oct 07 01:33 |
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scientes | *are | Oct 07 01:34 |
*schestowitz started reading "cancers" as cancerd | Oct 07 01:34 | |
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XRevan86 | scientes: It's the largest oncocentre in the country | Oct 07 01:34 |
XRevan86 | scientes: If they need transplantation, then I guess so | Oct 07 01:35 |
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XRevan86 | A good article on the topic would be really great. Meduza hasn't made one yet. | Oct 07 01:41 |
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oiaohm | I have been thinking. I think I can now make the CoC location way more clear. | Oct 07 02:00 |
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oiaohm | You hear a lot of anti- Social Justice Warrior stuff. It really simple to forget the only reason we have work place heath and safety laws is that Social Justice Warriors pushed for them. | Oct 07 02:02 |
oiaohm | Question can you argue under law that a open source project is not a workplace the answer is no you cannot. | Oct 07 02:02 |
oiaohm | Everything listed in the Linux kernel CoC that you are not allowed todo you are legally not allowed todo by law in a workplace due to workplace health and safety laws. | Oct 07 02:03 |
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oiaohm | But lets say a project does not have a CoC or some other policy covering same stuff and a person takes invalid complaint to the courts. Yes they lose but the courts can still rule against the workplace mandating it closed due to being unsafe due not to having require policies. | Oct 07 02:04 |
oiaohm | A ruling against a project mandating it workplace be closed would be basically take the projects controlled items off line by court order. | Oct 07 02:05 |
oiaohm | Now having policy you have duty of care so cannot be ruled against that way. | Oct 07 02:05 |
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oiaohm | Basically we have not been treating open source project and mailing lists as what they are legally a workplace. | Oct 07 02:06 |
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scientes | https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AiaHgR0Rt54/XZHGJsdxpGI/AAAAAAAAJI4/Ch093vU-TS8JcPQgzcf58qXn0kZtIEYzwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/glumchums.jpeg | Oct 07 02:18 |
scientes | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | Oct 07 02:18 |
scientes | look at that face! | Oct 07 02:19 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Not very good at hiding his emotions for an actor | Oct 07 02:22 |
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XRevan86 | schestowitz: But I just tied it to the Futurama quote that I found ironic many years ago and still have now. | Oct 07 02:32 |
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XRevan86 | There's a systemic problem of doctors being poor. | Oct 07 02:32 |
XRevan86 | and overworked and buried under bureaucracy | Oct 07 02:34 |
XRevan86 | There's a pattern of fighting corruption by making the lower worker do increasingly more paperwork. | Oct 07 02:35 |
XRevan86 | Meanwhile the most classic of schemes with procurement remain a haven of corruption. | Oct 07 02:36 |
scientes | yep | Oct 07 02:37 |
scientes | makes sense | Oct 07 02:37 |
XRevan86 | Somehow corruption still sips through the cracks. Clearly not enough paperwork for workers in the field. | Oct 07 02:38 |
scientes | meanwhile in the US you can get a 2-year degree in how to bill private health "insurance" | Oct 07 02:38 |
oiaohm | With medical we still don't know enough. | Oct 07 02:38 |
oiaohm | So there is a lot of paper required to be made for research reasons in medical by front line staff. | Oct 07 02:38 |
oiaohm | Of course there is other crap in there as well. | Oct 07 02:39 |
oiaohm | XRevan86: its not just normal corruption either you have people who do doctor shopping to get more drugs than they should. | Oct 07 02:40 |
scientes | The re-emergance of Persia | Oct 07 02:40 |
scientes | why don't they change their name now? | Oct 07 02:40 |
scientes | Islamic Republic of Persia | Oct 07 02:40 |
oiaohm | scientes: so you are wanting to rename Iran? | Oct 07 02:41 |
scientes | what I'm saying is that it already happened | Oct 07 02:41 |
oiaohm | scientes: back to its old name. | Oct 07 02:41 |
scientes | they control most of Iraq | Oct 07 02:41 |
oiaohm | ??? | Oct 07 02:42 |
scientes | and Afghanistan doesn't have a government, its mostly Taliban | Oct 07 02:42 |
scientes | so de facto, Persia | Oct 07 02:42 |
oiaohm | where do you get that idea. | Oct 07 02:42 |
*schestowitz finds those claims bizarre | Oct 07 02:42 | |
schestowitz | (KSA has fasr more vast influence geo-economically... Pakistan, Indonesia...) | Oct 07 02:43 |
scientes | then who bombed that Saudi oil refinery? | Oct 07 02:43 |
oiaohm | Iran does not control most of Iraq the boarder area between Iraq and Iran is the kurds what use to be Kurdistan in history before it got split in 3 between turkey, Iran and Iraq. | Oct 07 02:43 |
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scientes | the kurds are in the north | Oct 07 02:43 |
scientes | not the south | Oct 07 02:43 |
oiaohm | south section of Iraq is a different group. | Oct 07 02:44 |
oiaohm | Not iran. | Oct 07 02:44 |
scientes | i'm talking about where the iran-iraq war was fought | Oct 07 02:44 |
scientes | the fertile area | Oct 07 02:44 |
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oiaohm | iran-iraq war was fought in the area that was Kurdistan | Oct 07 02:45 |
oiaohm | If the country of Kurdistan still was there there is no boarder between Iraq and Iran. | Oct 07 02:45 |
scientes | but i'm talking about the south | Oct 07 02:45 |
oiaohm | The complete land boarder between Iraq and Iraq use to be kurdistan. | Oct 07 02:46 |
oiaohm | There is no north and south about it. | Oct 07 02:46 |
oiaohm | That iraq-iran war the kurds really got caught in the middle. | Oct 07 02:47 |
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oiaohm | scientes: basically the only shared boarder in history while kurdistan existed between iraq and iran was a boarder at sea. | Oct 07 02:48 |
oiaohm | the kurds from the time of kurdistan have lost a lot of territory | Oct 07 02:50 |
oiaohm | scientes: fun part kurdistan use to be there to prevent the different islamic groups in Iran and Iraq from getting into pointless wars. So it was a basic historic peace keeper zone. | Oct 07 02:52 |
oiaohm | scientes: basically the shia Islamic should be on the iran/persia side of Kurdistan and the sunni should be in the iraq side. But since that boarder has broken down we now have shia/sunni conflicts. Yes the iran/iraq war in the south killed out the remaining kurds in the south. | Oct 07 03:02 |
scientes | ram monster | Oct 07 03:08 |
scientes | eat eat eat eat | Oct 07 03:08 |
scientes | 600MB from gnome-shel | Oct 07 03:09 |
scientes | and it can't be restarted | Oct 07 03:10 |
schestowitz | re TR reddit | Oct 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | Re: Create a Reddit forum ..> Have you considered creating a Reddit forum, where we could comment on | Oct 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | > tech issues. I find it easier to read contemplate and then create a | Oct 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | > responce, rather than the instant responce required of IRC. | Oct 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | That would allow Conde Nast control and censor (or self-censor) us. They already banned some subs in the past. Also, as of years ago, Reddit is proprietary. | Oct 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | So in short, not a chance! But feel free to start one... | Oct 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: ping | Oct 07 03:57 |
MrGreenFriend | hi | Oct 07 03:58 |
schestowitz | how is your friend? | Oct 07 03:58 |
MrGreenFriend | he's fine. i just think he has a lot more on his mind | Oct 07 03:59 |
schestowitz | will he pursue a lawsuit? | Oct 07 04:00 |
MrGreenFriend | i don't know | Oct 07 04:01 |
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schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: tell him that with document disclosure we can r refute the libel against him | Oct 07 04:04 |
schestowitz | Microsoft's Shaw selectively released some documents to bolster a false narrative, it's never too late to correct the record | Oct 07 04:04 |
MrGreenFriend | ok, i will | Oct 07 04:06 |
MrGreenFriend | thanks :) | Oct 07 04:06 |
schestowitz | I really want to help as best I can... | Oct 07 04:08 |
*schestowitz has drafts ready for a potential news part in the Lundgren series | Oct 07 04:08 | |
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MinceR | 07 030210 < oiaohm> You hear a lot of anti- Social Justice Warrior stuff. It really simple to forget the only reason we have work place heath and safety laws is that Social Justice Warriors pushed for them. | Oct 07 07:46 |
MinceR | which of the twitter outragists did that? | Oct 07 07:46 |
oiaohm | MinceR: the reality is Social Justice Warrior title existed before twitter yahoos. | Oct 07 07:54 |
schestowitz | twitter yahoos? | Oct 07 07:54 |
schestowitz | sounds like a Native American tribe... | Oct 07 07:55 |
MinceR | oiaohm: and you'd have us give up everything to anyone who uses the same title as someone who did something good once? | Oct 07 07:57 |
oiaohm | MinceR: that is what people are doing calling those yahoos on twitter and the like Social Justice Warrors. | Oct 07 07:57 |
MinceR | yes, and? | Oct 07 07:58 |
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schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16173371 | Oct 07 08:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #eff saw a boost in budget after the @snowden leaks but it went almost downhill from there; they must get leaner rather than pursue corporate cash https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/43091431 | Oct 07 08:02 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> projects.propublica.org | Electronic Frontier Foundation Inc - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica | Oct 07 08:02 | |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16173398 | Oct 07 08:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: EFF receives 4 million dollars a year from members, which leave one wondering where the remainder (about twice that amount) comes from. The salaries aren't totally crazy; the chief nets just over $250,000 a year. And SF/Bay Area is expensive. | Oct 07 08:02 | |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16173409 | Oct 07 08:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The main concern here is that the EFF might become a "hush organisation", attracting corporate funding in exchange for leaving these corporations alone (no criticism) or worse -- lobby for their agenda! | Oct 07 08:02 | |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/10/07/eff-corporate-money/ | Oct 07 08:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EFF Ought to Focus on Software Patents — Maybe EPO Scandals Too — Instead of Awarding (Publicity Stunts) and Rewarding Privacy Abusers | Techrights | Oct 07 08:02 | |
oiaohm | MinceR: all the truly successful and normally high famous Social Justice Warriors are either lawyers or politician. Like come on those I call yahoos are not like Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela or any person who are really Social Justice Warriors. | Oct 07 08:10 |
MinceR | so why are you confusing them with each other? | Oct 07 08:12 |
MrGreenFriend | haha | Oct 07 08:12 |
oiaohm | So the fight for Social Justice is either done in the courts or the political landscape that is successful. Anything else is like suffragette and large sections of the IRA.. | Oct 07 08:13 |
MinceR | it is not successful anymore | Oct 07 08:13 |
oiaohm | MinceR: I am not. | Oct 07 08:13 |
oiaohm | Really there are still people who are fighting like the historic Social Justice Warriors using the courts and are still being successful. | Oct 07 08:14 |
oiaohm | So your claim about not being successful any more is not true. | Oct 07 08:15 |
MinceR | do they confuse themselves with the outragists who sabotage projects they don't contribute to? | Oct 07 08:15 |
oiaohm | That is the point outragists are not the proper social justice people. | Oct 07 08:17 |
oiaohm | Yet a lot of people give them title they don't deserve. | Oct 07 08:17 |
MinceR | then the proper social justice people have failed to protect their brand | Oct 07 08:18 |
MinceR | i haven't even heard of the title before they started poisoning our society | Oct 07 08:18 |
MinceR | and i suspect there are many people like that | Oct 07 08:18 |
oiaohm | Not exactly parties that don't want social justice have looked for every means to undermine the brand. | Oct 07 08:18 |
oiaohm | and to get people wasting there time yelling at each other instead of taking their problem to the courts or political system where real change can happen. | Oct 07 08:19 |
MinceR | real change can't happen at the courts if you don't have rule of law, and most (if not all) states don't have rule of law | Oct 07 08:20 |
MinceR | real change can't happen in the political system in one-party and two-party systems, and states that don't have either are rare | Oct 07 08:20 |
oiaohm | Neither of those is true. | Oct 07 08:20 |
jagadees | the media is giving the title of Social Justice Warrior. who they think useful for them. | Oct 07 08:21 |
MrGreenFriend | Do many people (besides oiaohm) refer to Mahatma Gandhi & Nelson Mandela: as "SJW's" | Oct 07 08:21 |
MinceR | he's the first i've seen do so | Oct 07 08:22 |
MinceR | +to | Oct 07 08:22 |
MinceR | also, i thought the title was born of someone making fun of an outragist and the latter owning the name | Oct 07 08:22 |
MrGreenFriend | MinceR, that's what i thought, too | Oct 07 08:23 |
oiaohm | The title of social justice warrior appears first way back in 1840s with those organizing strikes and at the end the industrial revolution. | Oct 07 08:24 |
MinceR | [citation needed] | Oct 07 08:25 |
oiaohm | The title is way older than what either you are thinking. | Oct 07 08:25 |
oiaohm | MinceR: you are looking for the writings from 1840 by "Jesuit priest Luigi Taparelli" Yes the warrior bit comes from the holy warrior idea. | Oct 07 08:26 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, perhaps that is true about 1840, but MinceR & I are thinking about the 2010's. Maybe the term SJW fell out of use? | Oct 07 08:26 |
MrGreenFriend | (between 1840 -> 2010) | Oct 07 08:28 |
oiaohm | Its been a funny bit of abuse by the more modern media. Early on SJW was only for those who had died in the process of attempting to get social justice not for the living. | Oct 07 08:28 |
oiaohm | If they did not die they had to have at least risked their real life on something that did successfully get change. | Oct 07 08:29 |
MinceR | well, they're gone now | Oct 07 08:29 |
MinceR | humanity is in decline | Oct 07 08:30 |
oiaohm | Not really we have ones like Erin Brockovich and other in the legal field who have truly been the old define of SJW. | Oct 07 08:32 |
oiaohm | Of course the media does not find it useful to use the title correctly. | Oct 07 08:32 |
MinceR | they'll eventually get tired of being confused with crybullies | Oct 07 08:32 |
oiaohm | Exactly calling them crybullies is what they are. How can you be for Social Justice when your are bulling a person and bulling is a direct breach of social justice. | Oct 07 08:33 |
oiaohm | Crybullies anything Social Justice undermines those who are correctly working on Social Justice. | Oct 07 08:35 |
MrGreenFriend | hmm, that is a good word, applies to more than SJW's :) https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cry%20bully | Oct 07 08:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: cry bully | Oct 07 08:37 | |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: exactly people get called SJW when they are not. When the absolute correct term form is crybully. | Oct 07 08:39 |
jagadees | that kind of social justice was is that media created culture to divert people from real social justice issues. | Oct 07 08:40 |
MrGreenFriend | hmm, i think 'crybully' is more broad than the [current] "SJW". | Oct 07 08:40 |
schestowitz | [08:40] <jagadees> that kind of social justice was is that media created culture to divert people from real social justice issues. | Oct 07 08:40 |
schestowitz | corporate issues | Oct 07 08:40 |
schestowitz | I'd rather speak of inequality, patents etc. | Oct 07 08:40 |
oiaohm | Its about time we stop giving Crybullys good term that they don't deserve . | Oct 07 08:40 |
schestowitz | They just talk of "not enough women in IP" | Oct 07 08:40 |
schestowitz | I'm like, "do we need this IP thing? Who's it for?" | Oct 07 08:41 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: really crybully covers everyone who uses social justice as excuse to be abusive. | Oct 07 08:41 |
schestowitz | it's a generlisation | Oct 07 08:41 |
schestowitz | as some get tugged along with the chief tollers | Oct 07 08:41 |
schestowitz | like Sage Sharp | Oct 07 08:41 |
oiaohm | Those people are are not really working for social justice reforms. | Oct 07 08:41 |
schestowitz | no, they look to destory some people's careers | Oct 07 08:42 |
schestowitz | it's often more akin to revenge | Oct 07 08:42 |
schestowitz | and they often take out the rage on the wrong people | Oct 07 08:42 |
schestowitz | because they know it gets more media publicity | Oct 07 08:42 |
schestowitz | If they pick on "small people" who are ACTUALLY revolting (racist, sexist etc.) nobody will notice or take note | Oct 07 08:43 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, perhaps. i dont watch that kind of news. thanks for the definition :) i guess i was taking it too literally (definition #3 in urbandictionary) | Oct 07 08:43 |
jagadees | "rage on the wrong people" that is their purpose. | Oct 07 08:44 |
schestowitz | So the modus operandi is to stage drama to "raise awareness" of heir "causes" (i.e. their own name, self-publicity) | Oct 07 08:44 |
jagadees | if its on correct people then they will not get attention. | Oct 07 08:44 |
schestowitz | Let Sage Sharp go ballistic on Hans Reiser | Oct 07 08:44 |
schestowitz | except media won't care, bloggers would ignore | Oct 07 08:44 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: that is a crybully with the normal end result of the drama normally stalling out progress to real social justice by causing resistance to change. | Oct 07 08:45 |
schestowitz | yes, they hurt their causes | Oct 07 08:45 |
schestowitz | unless their causes were all along shameless self-promotion | Oct 07 08:45 |
schestowitz | if they suck at coding or never did any | Oct 07 08:45 |
schestowitz | they need to get their name 'out there' some other way | Oct 07 08:45 |
jagadees | not all may not be like that. | Oct 07 08:46 |
MrGreenFriend | schestowitz> I'm like, "do we need this IP thing? Who's it for?" :) | Oct 07 08:46 |
oiaohm | Sage Sharp I really do see as a crybully. I cannot list a single thing social justice change Sage has got done. I can list a lot of taking credit for other parties work. | Oct 07 08:47 |
jagadees | some innocent writing their opinion. but media and gate keepers think its useful then it becomes viral. | Oct 07 08:47 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: iok, we agree on something | Oct 07 08:47 |
schestowitz | i abhor the attacks on Tso | Oct 07 08:48 |
schestowitz | don't even get me started on Sharp insisting that Shape is a "they" | Oct 07 08:49 |
schestowitz | as if it's two people in one | Oct 07 08:49 |
schestowitz | like people who marry themselves | Oct 07 08:49 |
oiaohm | Coraline Ada Ehmke on the other hand could in fact have the title of social justice warrior in time. As she has in fact done stuff and is willing to work on fixing the problems. | Oct 07 08:51 |
oiaohm | When I say have the title I mean be properly due the title. | Oct 07 08:51 |
oiaohm | Not just given to self or by some media person because it simple. | Oct 07 08:52 |
MinceR | oh yeah, she's helping fix the problem that Linux exists and is useful | Oct 07 08:53 |
MinceR | way to go, coraline | Oct 07 08:53 |
oiaohm | There was a legal problem there that did need to be addressed. | Oct 07 08:54 |
MinceR | by destroying the project that allegedly had something to do with it | Oct 07 08:54 |
oiaohm | Also here history is one of a real documentation writer and coding. | Oct 07 08:54 |
schestowitz | "Ehmke has never contributed anything to the development of this particular software, and Schito had never said anything to or about Ehmke, nor had Schito’s opinion on transgenderism been expressed within the Opal development project. " | Oct 07 08:54 |
MinceR | ooh | Oct 07 08:54 |
schestowitz | [link warning: unsavoury site] | Oct 07 08:55 |
schestowitz | https://theothermccain.com/2018/05/30/coraline-ada-ehmke-transgender-feminist-satanic-sjw/ | Oct 07 08:55 |
MinceR | did she fix typos in comments and documentation once? | Oct 07 08:55 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theothermccain.com | Satanic Transgender SJW Wants to Control ‘Open Source’ Code Community : The Other McCain | Oct 07 08:55 | |
MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, is this what u r referring to, or another attack? https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list | Oct 07 08:55 |
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schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: no, not that | Oct 07 08:55 |
schestowitz | they're not the worst | Oct 07 08:55 |
MinceR | oiaohm: are the other SJWs you're talking about as toxic and destructive as coraline ada ehmke? | Oct 07 08:55 |
schestowitz | they berated Shuttleworth also | Oct 07 08:55 |
schestowitz | because he said "explaining to girls/women" | Oct 07 08:56 |
schestowitz | I suppose he'd get the same for saying in a talk (informal) something like "explaining to grandma" | Oct 07 08:56 |
schestowitz | (because it's female, they don't seem to care much about age stigma and discmination) | Oct 07 08:56 |
MinceR | they will if they get old | Oct 07 08:56 |
schestowitz | they you can see "explaining to young grandpa" | Oct 07 08:57 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, what are better terms to use to clarify 'forced' rape, vs 'non-forced/willfull' rape? | Oct 07 08:57 |
schestowitz | because it's OK to mock young people and males, making them seem as dumb as Homer Simpson | Oct 07 08:57 |
oiaohm | Please note a person can be both a SJW and a crybully. | Oct 07 08:58 |
oiaohm | There are a lot who are just crybullies. | Oct 07 08:58 |
oiaohm | There are a handful that are both. | Oct 07 08:58 |
MinceR | yes, because destroying free software projects microsoft doesn't wish to compete with promotes Social Justice | Oct 07 08:58 |
MinceR | right, oiaohm? | Oct 07 08:58 |
schestowitz | The labels don't matter | Oct 07 08:59 |
MinceR | schestowitz: it's ok to mock anyone for being different from the crybully | Oct 07 08:59 |
schestowitz | we need to look at them as individuals | Oct 07 08:59 |
MinceR | they're really shitty individuals | Oct 07 09:00 |
schestowitz | The Ada troll was active lately with that ICE thing | Oct 07 09:00 |
MinceR | but who cares, most humans want their species to go extinct | Oct 07 09:00 |
schestowitz | suggesting FOSS becomes non-FOSS | Oct 07 09:00 |
schestowitz | under the guise of "ethics" of course | Oct 07 09:00 |
MinceR | so it's really in their interest to avoid developing technology which could be used to save humanity | Oct 07 09:00 |
MinceR | from meteors and stuff like that | Oct 07 09:00 |
oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coraline_Ada_Ehmke it would pay to read what she is upto. She is not stopping at software. | Oct 07 09:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Coraline Ada Ehmke - Wikipedia | Oct 07 09:01 | |
MinceR | great! | Oct 07 09:01 |
MinceR | she can destroy other kinds of technology too | Oct 07 09:01 |
oiaohm | Due to being given the title "Notorious Social Justice Warrior" she fells in the right to push more crybully stunts. | Oct 07 09:03 |
oiaohm | This is why I am fairly strict that SJW as a title we need to be way more careful with. | Oct 07 09:03 |
oiaohm | To the point person only gets it after they are dead and their complete life can be looked at. | Oct 07 09:03 |
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MinceR | oiaohm: and your example for it is the most toxic, most destructive crybully | Oct 07 09:04 |
MinceR | very convincing! | Oct 07 09:04 |
oiaohm | MinceR: and a very good reason not to give out the SJW title carelessly. | Oct 07 09:04 |
MinceR | oiaohm: i was being sarcastic. | Oct 07 09:04 |
oiaohm | Why be sarcastic. Why is she not called out for being a crybully when that is what she has done. | Oct 07 09:06 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, i think reverting the current SJW definition, back to the 1840's version, is a big uphill battle.. even if u are technically correct | Oct 07 09:06 |
MinceR | oiaohm: you should revisit that question when you think about what OS you should switch to because the systemd/Linux you're using is so insecure and so unstable it's seriously impeding your ability to get work done | Oct 07 09:07 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, maybe instead think of a better term for Nelson Mandela? | Oct 07 09:07 |
MinceR | MrGreenFriend: if coraline ada ehmke is an "SJW" then SJW means the exact same thing as crybully | Oct 07 09:08 |
MinceR | there is nothing to change | Oct 07 09:08 |
oiaohm | MinceR: she has done something things that could give the title. | Oct 07 09:08 |
MrGreenFriend | MinceR, that's what i mean, it is too late: the 1840's definition is long gone | Oct 07 09:08 |
MinceR | s/insecure and so unstable/insecure, so unstable and so inflexible/ | Oct 07 09:09 |
jagadees | we can call them corporate SJW | Oct 07 09:09 |
oiaohm | MinceR: but by the 1980 rules the crybully actions would void the title. | Oct 07 09:09 |
oiaohm | MinceR: because they are not a good role model. | Oct 07 09:09 |
MinceR | oiaohm: if you add one spoonful of sewage to a barrel of water, what do you get? | Oct 07 09:09 |
oiaohm | MinceR: also I have looked at what OS I can move to after Linux. | Oct 07 09:10 |
MrGreenFriend | BSD? | Oct 07 09:10 |
jagadees | or social justice distractors | Oct 07 09:10 |
MinceR | oiaohm: will you also cheer the SJWs on who will destroy that OS too? | Oct 07 09:11 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: Nelson Mandelo did coin a new term. Social Justice Hero what is basically the old 1840 social justice warror. | Oct 07 09:12 |
oiaohm | MinceR: the reality is if we don't correct the legal system there will be no where to go. | Oct 07 09:13 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, well, that is better | Oct 07 09:14 |
jagadees | these so called SJW what they really achieved? in the case of MIT girl what she got as a result of her war? | Oct 07 09:15 |
oiaohm | MinceR: really yelling about crybullies get us no where. They cannot by legal means destory a OS without the law. | Oct 07 09:16 |
jagadees | stallman was fired. | Oct 07 09:16 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, until 'SJH' is misappropriated ;) | Oct 07 09:16 |
jagadees | does she achieved social justice by that? | Oct 07 09:16 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: we really do need to try to protect SJH this time around. | Oct 07 09:16 |
MrGreenFriend | :) | Oct 07 09:16 |
jagadees | so they are just social justice distractors | Oct 07 09:16 |
oiaohm | The law stuff is a bigger problem if it activates as that can be like servers ceased and delete and other horrible bad things. | Oct 07 09:17 |
jagadees | but pls dont attack them directly saying bad people etc. that makes them more sympathy. and more distraction. | Oct 07 09:17 |
MrGreenFriend | Why did stallman 'resign', instead of forcing them to fire him? i probly missed ur discussion on this, is there an IRC link to it? | Oct 07 09:19 |
jagadees | capitalistic system is full of injustice. so lot of social injustice will be there. not a single person can solve all the issues. so we have to work tactically. if the person is not too bad then we have leave him to fight their wars in their fields. those who dont do that is a social justice distractor. | Oct 07 09:20 |
jagadees | [those who dont allow that is a social justice distractor] | Oct 07 09:21 |
MrGreenFriend | how *exactly* did they "force" him?... RMS is most stubborn person to resign without a fight | Oct 07 09:21 |
jagadees | yes | Oct 07 09:21 |
jagadees | that also make lot of confusion. | Oct 07 09:22 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/17/20870050/richard-stallman-resigns-mit-free-software-foundation-epstein the more you read on it there was a lot of bad things going on inside MIT. | Oct 07 09:22 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Richard Stallman resigns from MIT over Epstein comments - The Verge | Oct 07 09:22 | |
jagadees | what on earth that can force rms | Oct 07 09:22 |
jagadees | Its a shameful thing that we need whistleblowers in FSF | Oct 07 09:23 |
jagadees | why things are not transparent | Oct 07 09:23 |
oiaohm | That the problem MIT stuff got really not transparent like lieing on internal records to hide that dontations had come from epstein. | Oct 07 09:24 |
jagadees | MIT is ok | Oct 07 09:24 |
oiaohm | RMS knew the records were false. | Oct 07 09:25 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, yes, i read that and his exact quotes. but that is not enough to "force" him. | Oct 07 09:25 |
MrGreenFriend | i.e. what would have happened to him, if RMS did not resign? | Oct 07 09:25 |
jagadees | its just unethical instition founded by a slave owner and funded by US military responsible for killing innocent people for last 300+ years, | Oct 07 09:25 |
jagadees | but what about FSF | Oct 07 09:25 |
jagadees | they should reject rms's resignation letter | Oct 07 09:26 |
jagadees | end of the story. so simple was that. | Oct 07 09:26 |
jagadees | now they put all under confusion and division. | Oct 07 09:27 |
oiaohm | jagadees: from business point of view with what had happened MIT its would be very hard to RMS to claim that he would handle issues correctly with FSF. | Oct 07 09:27 |
oiaohm | Its not a outcome we like. | Oct 07 09:27 |
jagadees | MIT want a scapegoat to distract public attention from them. thats all. | Oct 07 09:28 |
oiaohm | Really no one should be faking donation records or commenting on a ongoing investigation. | Oct 07 09:28 |
oiaohm | If you know about faking of records you should have complained in meetings and had it recorded. | Oct 07 09:28 |
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oiaohm | jagadees: this case MIT is not the scapegoat they are where the big screw up happened starting the domino effect. | Oct 07 09:29 |
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jagadees | i was saying RMS was scapegoat | Oct 07 09:29 |
jagadees | used by MIT | Oct 07 09:30 |
jagadees | they are the criminals | Oct 07 09:30 |
oiaohm | RMS was allowed to resign from MIT. Other parties were not allowed to resign and were dismissed with super and other payments claimed. | Oct 07 09:31 |
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MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, so if RMS didnt resign, what would have happened to him? | Oct 07 09:31 |
oiaohm | This stuff comes a domino effect where all those involved get hit. | Oct 07 09:32 |
oiaohm | even if you were just on the outer edges. | Oct 07 09:32 |
jagadees | what about harvard? did somebody resigned? | Oct 07 09:32 |
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oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: we don't know what the internal debates on that if it would have just been fired or would have been super and other things ceased. | Oct 07 09:33 |
jagadees | in 2006 same same person came under US judicial system | Oct 07 09:33 |
jagadees | what they did? | Oct 07 09:33 |
jagadees | i wrote it here: https://neritam.wordpress.com/2019/10/01/things-we-miss-while-punishing-richard-stallman/ | Oct 07 09:33 |
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jagadees | Alan Dershowitz and Steven Pinker helped him to get a plea deal | Oct 07 09:34 |
MinceR | oiaohm: there is somewhere to go: anonymity. but only if one doesn't put a CoC in one's projects. | Oct 07 09:34 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, what do u mean by "super"? | Oct 07 09:35 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: I am thinking from australian system on super as in "superannuation" | Oct 07 09:36 |
jagadees | no MIT or Harvard girl SJD became upset with that | Oct 07 09:36 |
jagadees | still not upset | Oct 07 09:36 |
oiaohm | RMS did write a defencive arguement to Epstein actions that was not in alignment with USA law. | Oct 07 09:37 |
jagadees | and no event organized asking their resignation. | Oct 07 09:37 |
oiaohm | That also rules you out from management positions. | Oct 07 09:37 |
jagadees | rms did nothing wrong. | Oct 07 09:37 |
jagadees | these idiots in FSF did all wrong | Oct 07 09:38 |
MinceR | rms did something wrong: he promoted systemd | Oct 07 09:38 |
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MinceR | but the rest of the fsf did the same | Oct 07 09:38 |
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oiaohm | jagadees: no the nothing wrong is not right "Stallman said that “the most plausible scenario” was that Epstein’s victim “presented herself to [Marvin Minsky] as entirely willing.” "Stallman cast doubt over the use of the term “sexual assault”" Stallman also described the distinction between a 17 or 18 year old victim as a “minor” detail, and suggested that it was an “injustice” to refer to it as a “sexual assault.” | Oct 07 09:39 |
oiaohm | jagadees: that section of text Stallman wrote is not in alignment with USA law. | Oct 07 09:39 |
jagadees | which law | Oct 07 09:40 |
oiaohm | jagadees: age of victom under USA law is a major detail. | Oct 07 09:40 |
oiaohm | In management you need to process complaint that come in to the countries laws. | Oct 07 09:40 |
jagadees | if he broke the law whether there a case charged against him? | Oct 07 09:41 |
oiaohm | If he was up on what he should have known as FSF president he should not have written that. | Oct 07 09:41 |
oiaohm | Its not exactly broke law. Its shown self as not suitable for role. | Oct 07 09:41 |
jagadees | does that law defines that telling something against it in public is a criminal offense | Oct 07 09:42 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, that is the whole issue. not just with this law, but many: they 'redefine' crimes always to have a broader definition, than originally. U being Mr. 1840's Vocabulary, should agree with that problem ;) | Oct 07 09:42 |
MinceR | ooh, casting doubt must be a really serious offense | Oct 07 09:42 |
jagadees | if he break that law then only it becames crime | Oct 07 09:42 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, "Piracy, theft, trafficking, assault" etc have all had their definitions broadened | Oct 07 09:43 |
oiaohm | MinceR: when your job is management that means managing events like complaints you are not a defense person you are a prosecutor | Oct 07 09:43 |
MinceR | in any case, i'm pretty sure someone who fails to protect the freedom of computer users is suitable to lead a foundation which also fails to protect the freedom of computer users | Oct 07 09:43 |
MinceR | oiaohm: no, that's for jurists | Oct 07 09:43 |
oiaohm | MinceR: judge is allowed to make calls without jurist. Management in a company is allowed to make calls without jurists. | Oct 07 09:44 |
jagadees | he should only have to defend use's freedom | Oct 07 09:44 |
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jagadees | not all other public issues | Oct 07 09:45 |
MinceR | oiaohm: lawyers and prosecutors are supposed to be jurists | Oct 07 09:45 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, RMS agrees with the 1840 definition of 'sexual assualt' | Oct 07 09:45 |
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jagadees | what he think doent matter | Oct 07 09:45 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: 1840 define was over 21. so no. | Oct 07 09:46 |
jagadees | does he defends users. thats all important | Oct 07 09:46 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: the age of consent has moved around alot | Oct 07 09:46 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, 21? citation please :) | Oct 07 09:47 |
jagadees | if rms has wrong idea about climate science do we ask for his resignation? | Oct 07 09:47 |
jagadees | the only right ethical thing that we can do is just tell him what is right and request him to change his belief | Oct 07 09:48 |
jagadees | that all his decision | Oct 07 09:48 |
jagadees | for that he cannot be fired | Oct 07 09:49 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/age-of-consent-by-country/ this is current and you can see its from 11-21 depending on what country you are in. Back in the 1980s it was 21 for your self but your parrents could grant consent for you younger | Oct 07 09:49 |
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oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: opps 1980 I don't know why I am typing that I meant 1840. | Oct 07 09:49 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: Portugal is still running the old laws. | Oct 07 09:49 |
oiaohm | jagadees: having the wrong idea of climate science at this stage does not equal possibly covering up a crime that is a felony. That the problem sexual assault is a felony class crime having the wrong idea on it means you can be investigate for possible aiding and betting the crime. | Oct 07 09:52 |
oiaohm | jagadees: that investigation is more strict on those in management roles. | Oct 07 09:53 |
oiaohm | jagadees: with possible powers to hide things. | Oct 07 09:53 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: that thing before getting married of going and asking the father for permission when the age of consent was higher was not for show as it is now. Yes a lot of the history ones were done in writing with seal. | Oct 07 09:55 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, it sounds like you were around in the 1840's :) | Oct 07 09:56 |
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MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, how do u know so much about history? | Oct 07 09:57 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: done a lot of steam punk stuff. | Oct 07 09:57 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: so you study that section of history a lot. | Oct 07 09:57 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, hmm, i think it is exaggerated: i.e. *every* generation *always* says the next generation i too much into rock&roll/sex/partying/drugs/etc | Oct 07 10:00 |
MrGreenFriend | s/i too/is too | Oct 07 10:00 |
MrGreenFriend | and it's always tough for the younger generation to refute, because they weren't around since the 1840's, like you ;) | Oct 07 10:02 |
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oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: if you go through history there are times of lots of partying and times of very strict prohibition. | Oct 07 10:40 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: neither really works. | Oct 07 10:40 |
MrGreenFriend | haha, thought i scared everyone away with my partying comments. "Those damn kids and their rock&roll!" ;) | Oct 07 10:42 |
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oiaohm | I like one of my history researching friends I know who said its like puffy pants vs tight fitting pants. | Oct 07 10:44 |
oiaohm | Neither one is good to wear yet for some reason at some point of history that was the normal. | Oct 07 10:44 |
oiaohm | Looking at history shows a lot of stupid human logic. | Oct 07 10:45 |
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MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, https://i.imgur.com/NF0xZMf.png | Oct 07 11:00 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: that is kind of true. History of piracy at sea has stupid things like water down rum to the point it was basically water being offered as rum only flavoured by the barrel. | Oct 07 11:04 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: so piracy is not always shot the person sometimes it being highly deceptive. | Oct 07 11:05 |
oiaohm | In historic times. | Oct 07 11:05 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: most of copyright law is written in the 15 century with the invention of the printing press in Europe | Oct 07 11:08 |
oiaohm | Of course that getting very long in the tooth. | Oct 07 11:08 |
MrGreenFriend | http://ninapaley.com/mimiandeunice/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ME_110_ThouShaltNotSteal-640x199.png | Oct 07 11:09 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: https://www.bbc.co.uk/copyrightaware/article-5955 the first copyright law was so that printing press owners could not copy a authors work and pay them nothing. | Oct 07 11:11 |
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oiaohm | Yet we allow companies to take the rights of their staff these days. | Oct 07 11:12 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, yes, i remember reading that. it made a lot more sense | Oct 07 11:13 |
oiaohm | MrGreenFriend: History of copyright shows how a laws can get slowly step by step in favour of companies instead of humans it was meant to protect. | Oct 07 11:13 |
oiaohm | I alway say with patents and copyright they should not be transferable. They should always own to the person who did the work. | Oct 07 11:14 |
MrGreenFriend | oiaohm, "Regulatory Capture". great term | Oct 07 11:14 |
MrGreenFriend | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture | Oct 07 11:16 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Regulatory capture - Wikipedia | Oct 07 11:16 | |
MrGreenFriend | https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture | Oct 07 11:16 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.mises.org | Regulatory capture - Mises Wiki, the global repository of classical-liberal thought | Oct 07 11:16 | |
oiaohm | Exactly it happens a lot. | Oct 07 11:16 |
oiaohm | You could say the CoC stuff in the Linux kernel is coming out of Regulatory Capture. | Oct 07 11:18 |
oiaohm | Of course most people are not noticing that. | Oct 07 11:19 |
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superkuh | ... | Oct 07 16:01 |
superkuh | FSF sounds like it decided to commit suicide. | Oct 07 16:02 |
superkuh | That's a damn shame. | Oct 07 16:02 |
schestowitz | it does sound odd | Oct 07 16:02 |
schestowitz | the way phoronix put it also | Oct 07 16:02 |
schestowitz | [15:12] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): FSF Is Re-Evaluating Its Relationship With The GNU http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128976#comment-21926 #gnu is far more important than #fsf - GNU is the GPL, all the software... FSF just the 'shell' [https://pleroma.site/objects/e60d84d3-5637-452d-8503-db5b781a982f] | Oct 07 16:03 |
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schestowitz | [15:13] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): FSF without GNU would be nothing. They need to work things out. Let RMS back on the Board. Apologise to him too (for flippant reaction). It's B Kuhn who should step down. He cannot and does not speak for FSF/GNU. [https://pleroma.site/objects/c5c65fac-7bdd-49f3-a8af-0b7c232c1ac2] | Oct 07 16:03 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Oct 07 16:03 | |
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schestowitz | remember what was done to Stallman's blog | Oct 07 16:03 |
schestowitz | falsely claiming, at least twice, in his own name, that he resigned from GNU | Oct 07 16:03 |
schestowitz | We never got an explanation of what happened there | Oct 07 16:03 |
superkuh | Right. The "someone in FSF on the hosting side having a hissy-fit" would certainly fit. | Oct 07 16:07 |
schestowitz | or someone he auhorised in the past | Oct 07 16:07 |
schestowitz | not necessarily the host or the FSF | Oct 07 16:08 |
schestowitz | kaniini had some thoughts about it and it was debated here for hours | Oct 07 16:08 |
schestowitz | B Kuhn could not poison RMS (and get away with it), so he used the SFC site to poison people’s minds instead | Oct 07 16:10 |
schestowitz | #zdnet troll du jour: "Linus Torvalds isn't worried about Microsoft taking over Linux" | Oct 07 16:13 |
schestowitz | Yes, you know who wrote that http://techrights.org/2019/10/05/media-hostile-towards-software-freedom/ | Oct 07 16:13 |
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superkuh | Bleh. Looks like the Guix people are buying into the media circus re: GNU too. https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ | Oct 07 17:08 |
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a1batross | >GNU Classpath | Oct 07 17:11 |
a1batross | Oh, I see, even undead rebelled against RMS? | Oct 07 17:12 |
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XRevan86 | https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ | Oct 07 17:43 |
schestowitz | look at the names | Oct 07 17:43 |
schestowitz | it's the people who have long had grips with RMS | Oct 07 17:43 |
schestowitz | hardly all gnu devs | Oct 07 17:44 |
XRevan86 | > Stallman’s behavior over the years has undermined a core value of the GNU project: the empowerment of all computer users | Oct 07 17:44 |
XRevan86 | Pretty vague, but it is visible what's implied. | Oct 07 17:45 |
scientes | haha, only 18 devs | Oct 07 17:45 |
scientes | > Werner Koch | Oct 07 17:45 |
scientes | the asshole that did pay-to-merge for my gnupg patches | Oct 07 17:45 |
scientes | and GNUpg isn't even a GNU project anymore | Oct 07 17:46 |
scientes | Ian Lance Taylor however | Oct 07 17:46 |
scientes | he is quite accomplished | Oct 07 17:46 |
MrGreenFriend | XRevan86, yes, rather Vague statement | Oct 07 17:46 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/1181172103963430916 | Oct 07 17:48 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Just like you, I doubt that Bradley Kuhn's work has truly benefited the Free Software cause on the bot… https://t.co/Yx3MdiGtrQ | Oct 07 17:48 | |
schestowitz | "Just like you, I doubt that Bradley Kuhn's work has truly benefited the Free Software cause on the bottom line. He does have an agenda, but it doesn't seem to be RMS's vision. And on the few occasions that I've read his comments on legal cases, I was underwhelmed by his "logic."" | Oct 07 17:49 |
kaniini | bkuhn is a GPL maximalist, even beyond that of RMS | Oct 07 17:50 |
XRevan86 | TODO: Find out what exactly did mattl do for GNU social. | Oct 07 17:50 |
kaniini | i can tell you all about it | Oct 07 17:51 |
kaniini | because it's basically the footnote to how Pleroma got started | Oct 07 17:52 |
XRevan86 | And even if his contribution is larger than I realise, didn't he quit? | Oct 07 17:52 |
kaniini | well | Oct 07 17:52 |
kaniini | he is such an effective manager | Oct 07 17:52 |
kaniini | that Pleroma is a thing now | Oct 07 17:52 |
kaniini | so | Oct 07 17:52 |
kaniini | i mean | Oct 07 17:52 |
kaniini | i am just saying :) | Oct 07 17:53 |
kaniini | but he is not 100% to blame for the failure of GNU Social / GNU.io | Oct 07 17:53 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: Are you sure you're not confusing with MMN-o? | Oct 07 17:53 |
XRevan86 | who did the coding | Oct 07 17:53 |
kaniini | XRevan86: MMN-o did the coding, mattl was the project manager | Oct 07 17:53 |
kaniini | of "GNU.io" | Oct 07 17:53 |
kaniini | which encompassed GNU Social and GNU FM | Oct 07 17:53 |
kaniini | mattl did code GNU FM | Oct 07 17:53 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: MMN-o got to be a bottleneck for many MRs since he got busier. | Oct 07 17:54 |
kaniini | there's more to it than that | Oct 07 17:54 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: How did mattl cause Pleroma to be? | Oct 07 17:54 |
kaniini | so, initially there were no plans for Pleroma to be a thing | Oct 07 17:55 |
kaniini | hmm | Oct 07 17:55 |
kaniini | actually lets rewind a little further | Oct 07 17:55 |
kaniini | maybe i should write a blog about this | Oct 07 17:55 |
kaniini | but there are basically two things that happened | Oct 07 17:55 |
kaniini | i am sure everyone here is familiar with the diaspora social network | Oct 07 17:55 |
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XRevan86 | kaniini: MMN-o's inactivity caused postActiv and Pixelfed | Oct 07 17:57 |
kaniini | so, the original people who started Pleroma, were originally working on Diaspora. but Diaspora Foundation decided to put efforts on a "meme making website" | Oct 07 17:57 |
scientes | "Diaspora Foundation decided to put efforts on a "meme making website"" | Oct 07 17:57 |
scientes | lawl | Oct 07 17:57 |
kaniini | this is no shit. it's a thing that happened | Oct 07 17:58 |
kaniini | they called it maker or some shit | Oct 07 17:58 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: How did they end up with a StatusNet-eque conception? | Oct 07 17:58 |
kaniini | XRevan86: i'm getting to that | Oct 07 17:58 |
kaniini | so, Diaspora went and did their meme making website thing | Oct 07 17:58 |
kaniini | and diaspora sat around poorly maintained for about a year | Oct 07 17:59 |
scientes | are they bathing in honey and milk now? | Oct 07 17:59 |
kaniini | at that time, GamerGate and some other Twitter scandals occured | Oct 07 17:59 |
scientes | you mean manufactured outrage | Oct 07 17:59 |
kaniini | and so there was interest in GNU Social | Oct 07 17:59 |
kaniini | so the group of people who were still working on diaspora thought | Oct 07 18:00 |
kaniini | what if we made GNU Social have the features diaspora has | Oct 07 18:00 |
kaniini | and so, there were some discussions with mattl & MMN-o | Oct 07 18:00 |
kaniini | about adding some missing features | Oct 07 18:00 |
kaniini | well, that did not work out so great | Oct 07 18:01 |
kaniini | and so Pleroma was started, initially as a replacement interface and GNU Social plugin | Oct 07 18:01 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: Why not contribute to Qvitter? | Oct 07 18:01 |
kaniini | but it became pretty clear that the GNU Social codebase was not very good, and mattl nor MMN-o wanted to put much resources into refactoring it | Oct 07 18:01 |
XRevan86 | that was all Qvitter is too | Oct 07 18:02 |
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kaniini | XRevan86: Qvitter has numerous design flaws and security issues | Oct 07 18:02 |
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XRevan86 | Can't say I didn't suspect that… | Oct 07 18:02 |
kaniini | and, the Qvitter author was not interested in things like groups | Oct 07 18:02 |
scientes | geeze | Oct 07 18:02 |
scientes | the best social network is called outside | Oct 07 18:02 |
kaniini | now | Oct 07 18:03 |
kaniini | this didn't really work out, and now Pleroma is it's own thing (which is probably what should have happened to begin with, because we inherited a lot of technical debt we didn't want to begin with) | Oct 07 18:04 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: Is that code for "OStatus"? | Oct 07 18:04 |
kaniini | OStatus, the Qvitter-like UI, etc | Oct 07 18:04 |
MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, "Never trust climate 'activist' politicians who fly private jets and live a lavish lifestyle; they're a symptom of the very problem we ought to tackle" Do you know Carlo von LynX? https://twitter.com/italynx | Oct 07 18:05 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | carlo von lynX (@italynX) on Twitter | Oct 07 18:05 | |
MrGreenFriend | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGxjN-lfr_Y | Oct 07 18:05 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TT14 - carlo von lynX - Make Ourselves a GNU Internet - YouTube | Oct 07 18:05 | |
kaniini | anyway | Oct 07 18:05 |
kaniini | FSF promised to give GNU.io initiative (GNU Social and GNU FM) funding | Oct 07 18:05 |
kaniini | but it never really happened | Oct 07 18:06 |
kaniini | because RMS thought the whole thing pointless | Oct 07 18:06 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: You may have noticed GNU social is practically developed outside of GNU.io right now. | Oct 07 18:06 |
kaniini | XRevan86: yes, but GNU Social is already dead | Oct 07 18:06 |
XRevan86 | omaiwa shindeyru | Oct 07 18:07 |
MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, i would love to see you debate him on that point: he thinks it is fine for those Global Warming celebrities/politicians to fly on private jets. otherwise he is a smart guy :) | Oct 07 18:07 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: NANI | Oct 07 18:07 |
kaniini | XRevan86: it is true and you know it | Oct 07 18:07 |
kaniini | postActiv is also dead, but this is arguably a good thing | Oct 07 18:07 |
kaniini | i will take credit for that, too | Oct 07 18:08 |
kaniini | gladly | Oct 07 18:08 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: Why you? | Oct 07 18:08 |
XRevan86 | maiyannah has personal problems and stuff. | Oct 07 18:08 |
kaniini | well, it wasn't just me, but we locked Maiyannah out of any possible way of making traction (either in standards or just in a ground game) | Oct 07 18:08 |
kaniini | and this is really a positive thing | Oct 07 18:08 |
XRevan86 | she didn't even restore her instance when an HDD corruption brought it down | Oct 07 18:09 |
kaniini | but GNU Social 2.0 is too little, too late | Oct 07 18:09 |
kaniini | anyway, back to the main topic | Oct 07 18:10 |
kaniini | XRevan86: mattl's responsibility was to ensure that GNU Social had a ground game | Oct 07 18:10 |
kaniini | FSF was supposed to do a campaign | Oct 07 18:11 |
kaniini | against proprietary services like facebook and twitter | Oct 07 18:11 |
kaniini | but it never materialized | Oct 07 18:11 |
kaniini | and this campaign was supposed to be the thing that sparked momentum for GNU.io initiative | Oct 07 18:12 |
kaniini | so that should hopefully explain his role in GNU Social effectively | Oct 07 18:13 |
kaniini | as for why postActiv is bad, and why it is a good thing that it never got traction, we can talk about it, but basically it comes down to three key points | Oct 07 18:14 |
kaniini | - OStatus is absolute shit | Oct 07 18:14 |
kaniini | - postActiv had even more dubious security decisions than GNU Social | Oct 07 18:14 |
kaniini | - Maiyannah was against making forward progress because she saw it as pointless | Oct 07 18:15 |
schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: I know gnunet | Oct 07 18:15 |
schestowitz | not that person | Oct 07 18:15 |
kaniini | but yes, i will openly admit that the fediverse development community colluded to kill postActiv | Oct 07 18:16 |
kaniini | she is completely right with that assertion -- we did | Oct 07 18:17 |
kaniini | using techniques invented by RMS himself | Oct 07 18:17 |
MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, u would probably like him. he is a good guy. which is why it would be an interesting debate :) | Oct 07 18:17 |
kaniini | free software is an ugly affair sometimes | Oct 07 18:17 |
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MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, https://investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-hypocrisy-goes-mainstream "look at people like DiCaprio and Al Gore and countless others and conclude that if the popes of climate change don't have to change their lifestyles to fight global warming, why should we?" | Oct 07 18:20 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.investors.com | Climate Change Hypocrisy Goes Mainstream | Investor's Business Daily | Oct 07 18:20 | |
kaniini | al gore flies on regular planes, drives a tesla and has solar panels | Oct 07 18:21 |
kaniini | i wouldn't say that he is doing nothing | Oct 07 18:22 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Quod Libet review - Sounds of music? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129001 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fb463c84-bf80-4b45-b43a-2f59e53198be] | Oct 07 18:22 | |
kaniini | you are citing a publication operated by right-wing bankers | Oct 07 18:22 |
kaniini | this is like the definition of fake news | Oct 07 18:22 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Dash to Dock v67 Released, Adds Unity-style ‘Trash’ Icon http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129002 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c1a2e50b-ac26-46ab-8f8c-e665d7406d12] | Oct 07 18:23 | |
MrGreenFriend | kaniini, how is it different than schestowitz's twitter quote above? | Oct 07 18:24 |
kaniini | MrGreenFriend: i would say that al gore *is* the pope of climate change | Oct 07 18:24 |
MrGreenFriend | kaniini, yes, and Al Gore's carbon-footprint is bigger than most people, hence the hypocrisy | Oct 07 18:26 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129003 [https://pleroma.site/objects/02747975-5ce7-4869-bd07-2588fe5456d0] | Oct 07 18:26 | |
kaniini | how is it bigger than most people? | Oct 07 18:26 |
kaniini | he travels around the world giving presentations | Oct 07 18:26 |
kaniini | i think it is ok | Oct 07 18:26 |
kaniini | this is also deflection from business responsibility | Oct 07 18:27 |
kaniini | 100 businesses are responsible for the overwhelming majority of carbon emissions | Oct 07 18:27 |
kaniini | XRevan86: also tbh | Oct 07 18:28 |
kaniini | XRevan86: GNU Socialites should be happy postActiv is dead | Oct 07 18:29 |
MrGreenFriend | kaniini, https://www.sciencemag.org/sites/default/files/styles/inline__699w__no_aspect/public/greenhouse_DRUPAL_copyedited-01.png?itok=hNUV4xGc | Oct 07 18:31 |
MrGreenFriend | kaniini, if there is a better list on how to reduce ur carbon footprint, send me link please | Oct 07 18:32 |
schestowitz | the letter is from "rebel GNU" | Oct 07 18:32 |
schestowitz | they are few among hundreds of active ones and thousands overall | Oct 07 18:32 |
kaniini | MrGreenFriend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine | Oct 07 18:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Guillotine - Wikipedia | Oct 07 18:32 | |
schestowitz | I know some of their names, their dissent against RMS is not new, only the letter is new | Oct 07 18:33 |
kaniini | > rebel GNU | Oct 07 18:33 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: Whatever, you didn't really kill either way. | Oct 07 18:33 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: I remember your heated discussions %) | Oct 07 18:33 |
schestowitz | kaniini: like "rbel Tory" | Oct 07 18:34 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: They were way after maiyannah stopped committing code. | Oct 07 18:34 |
schestowitz | what they call here the Conservatives against Brexit | Oct 07 18:34 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: She kept talking about her plans, what she wants to code, but she never did. | Oct 07 18:34 |
schestowitz | Logical politicians = "rebels" | Oct 07 18:34 |
MrGreenFriend | kaniini, huh? wouldn't more legalized contraception be better than the Guillotine? or maybe i missed ur joke | Oct 07 18:34 |
kaniini | MrGreenFriend: you use the guillotine on the CEO of Exxon | Oct 07 18:35 |
kaniini | (: | Oct 07 18:35 |
kaniini | XRevan86: given that her plans included "using Smarty PHP templates" in this decade, this is probably a positive thing | Oct 07 18:37 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: Is that something like Twig? | Oct 07 18:41 |
kaniini | Smarty PHP templates is a security vulnerability masquerading as a template engine | Oct 07 18:42 |
kaniini | or put differently, "Add millions of 0day to your app with this one trick!!!!" | Oct 07 18:42 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: Sounds like literally the opposite of what templating is for in PHP. | Oct 07 18:45 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: How come though? | Oct 07 18:45 |
kaniini | XRevan86: it uses `eval` to compile the templates | Oct 07 18:46 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: I see. | Oct 07 18:47 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: I guess it's older than the introduction of lambdas in PHP, and never switched | Oct 07 18:49 |
kaniini | no :) | Oct 07 18:49 |
kaniini | you don't see | Oct 07 18:49 |
*XRevan86 doesn't see. | Oct 07 18:50 | |
kaniini | smarty uses regex to turn the template into arbitary php code | Oct 07 18:50 |
kaniini | it also does it's own variable binding | Oct 07 18:50 |
kaniini | thusly, you can break out and execute arbitrary php code | Oct 07 18:51 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: I didn't see. That's even worse %) | Oct 07 18:51 |
kaniini | as i said, a security vulnerability masquerading as a template engine | Oct 07 18:51 |
kaniini | which is why it is good that postActiv did not go anywhere | Oct 07 18:51 |
kaniini | because she rewrote several parts of gnu social to use it | Oct 07 18:51 |
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schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/9ngeRNqDqe355fTrpA | Oct 07 19:16 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Oct 07 19:16 | |
schestowitz | " hi Dr. Roy, I admired your Techrights blog for long time. I really like how you collected historical proofs about Microsoft hostilities against free software community. No other blog I know gives what Techrights gives for me. Thanks, I learned a lot. Greetings!" | Oct 07 19:16 |
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MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/211 | Oct 07 21:04 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | Social Contract Theory: The Game - Existential Comics | Oct 07 21:04 | |
MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/212 | Oct 07 21:11 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | Sherlock Hume - Existential Comics | Oct 07 21:11 | |
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MinceR | https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aPR9oZn_460swp.webp | Oct 07 21:23 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: must be distilled petrol | Oct 07 21:26 |
XRevan86 | distilled distilled distilled distilled distilled distilled distilled distilled distilled distilled petrol | Oct 07 21:26 |
XRevan86 | or how many times they do it | Oct 07 21:26 |
XRevan86 | a hundred? | Oct 07 21:26 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: This joke fails to point out that it's not water that's supposed to help against the fire | Oct 07 21:27 |
MinceR | it's diluted to the point where not even a single hydrocarbon molecule is present in the water | Oct 07 21:28 |
XRevan86 | By the way, in their dogma petrol can really work against fire | Oct 07 21:30 |
XRevan86 | undistilled literal one | Oct 07 21:30 |
XRevan86 | it's just that distilling *increases* its potency | Oct 07 21:30 |
MinceR | that's hilarious | Oct 07 21:31 |
XRevan86 | I forgot how they explain distillation making things more potent | Oct 07 21:31 |
MinceR | considering that they choose poisons that cause the opposite of what they want | Oct 07 21:31 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: That's what happens when you base your medicine on a proverb. | Oct 07 21:32 |
XRevan86 | "fight fire with fire" | Oct 07 21:33 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: Homeopathy is really kind of amazing. | Oct 07 21:34 |
XRevan86 | It makes absolutely no sense on any level. | Oct 07 21:34 |
MinceR | :> | Oct 07 21:34 |
XRevan86 | Even the Flat Earth Hypothesis can at least make one wonder for two minutes. | Oct 07 21:34 |
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XRevan86 | Yet somehow it's still around. Either because hoomans don't even try to look up the rationale and just assume there is a sensible one. Or because modern homeopaths learnt how to technobabble their bullshit. | Oct 07 21:38 |
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XRevan86 | As I understand it, some doctors value homeopathy for being almost perfect placebo that they can prescribe patients to appear helpful, when they fear the patient will instead try something worse than useless. | Oct 07 21:45 |
XRevan86 | Homeopathy: better than drinking your own urine. Yay. | Oct 07 21:45 |
XRevan86 | I've heard that homeopaths in Russia in the 90s used to put antibiotics in the pills, so that's not absolutely true. So under that label can hide medicine that dodged any scrutiny. | Oct 07 21:47 |
MrGreenFriend | XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0 | Oct 07 21:58 |
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XRevan86 | MrGreenFriend: lol | Oct 07 22:01 |
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cubexyz | prediction: in the future you will be paying monthly for windoze (and possibility your office productivity software as well) | Oct 07 22:37 |
cubexyz | we'll see what happens | Oct 07 22:37 |
cubexyz | present company excluded of course | Oct 07 22:37 |
MinceR | calling m$ office "productivity software" is a serious oversell | Oct 07 22:38 |
MrGreenFriend_ | cubexyz: prediction: in the future you won't pay for windoze or office software :P | Oct 07 22:40 |
cubexyz | I think I bought some OEM stuff in the 1990's | Oct 07 22:45 |
cubexyz | but I was OS agnostic then | Oct 07 22:45 |
MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ToqvjOA.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/Z7RskeY ) | Oct 07 22:46 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Surface tension - Album on Imgur | Oct 07 22:46 | |
cubexyz | OS/2, Yggdrasil, Minix, OEM WinNT (forget which one) | Oct 07 22:46 |
MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/30/54db12d752ae797f.jpg | Oct 07 23:05 |
srid | What the heck is this: https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ | Oct 07 23:17 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-guix.gnu.org | Joint statement on the GNU Project — 2019 — Blog — GNU Guix | Oct 07 23:17 | |
MinceR | looks like crybully shit-stirring to me | Oct 07 23:18 |
srid | A list of 20 maintainers against RMS. What's the total number of GNU maintainers? | Oct 07 23:20 |
MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Oct 07 23:20 |
MinceR | probably dwindling | Oct 07 23:20 |
srid | This "collective of GNU maintainers" should go watch 12 Angry Men. | Oct 07 23:23 |
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MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/08/28/c9be954cc72ed8f9.png | Oct 07 23:40 |
XRevan86 | In Soviet Russia Major Walod finds YOU^U | Oct 07 23:41 |
XRevan86 | * Waloď | Oct 07 23:41 |
MinceR | :> | Oct 07 23:41 |
DaemonFC[m] | Apple's iTunes Plus files seem to waste tons of bits. | Oct 07 23:49 |
DaemonFC[m] | If you have enough bits to spare to bother with anything above 20 kHz, you're doing it wrong. | Oct 07 23:49 |
MinceR | it's apple. what did you expect? | Oct 07 23:50 |
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