●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Monday, December 07, 2020 ●● ● Dec 07 [00:00] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: They had a habit of having things catch on fire. [00:00] DaemonFC[m] Like, when they didn't need a bunch of something anymore, just stack it all together and there would be a mysterious warehouse fire. [00:01] schestowitz I did not know that [00:01] DaemonFC[m] Happened a few times. The police never solved it. [00:01] schestowitz Beck is known for it here [00:01] schestowitz the police would blame crop circles or something near the barn [00:02] DaemonFC[m] I remember when I was at the park one day and saw smoke rising up in the distance and it turned out an entire warehouse belonging to Thomson went up in flames. [00:02] DaemonFC[m] I asked my dad about that and he said they had a bunch of picture tubes stored there that they couldn't use and that there would probably be a huge insurance settlement. [00:05] DaemonFC[m] http://www.ibew.org/articles/04journal/0405/p11.htm [00:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibew.org | International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers [00:08] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: It was NAFTA that killed it. NAFTA and the Chinese dumping TVs below cost into the US market with Walmart going along with it. [00:08] DaemonFC[m] So I asked dad what he thought about Trump's new NAFTA, and he refuses to even acknowledge that it's an updated NAFTA at all, continuing to claim that Trump "terminated" it and got us a totally new deal. [00:09] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705536.jpg [00:09] schestowitz FTA like TPP? [00:10] DaemonFC[m] Mostly, the point of NAFTA was to create a cheap slave labor zone in Mexico and take advantage of the fact that the US and Canada are in a trading bloc with a third world country that buys very little going south. [00:11] DaemonFC[m] The US and Canada are mostly balanced by volume of trade, but NAFTA created huge trade deficits with Mexico that have also caused the US to lose millions of jobs, of which the ones at Thomson were a small part. [00:12] DaemonFC[m] Well, the USMCA (new NAFTA) "updates" the treaty and puts in an entire chapter on "Intellectual Property" which is basically what the TPP was going to have in it. [00:12] DaemonFC[m] I think the big winners here are drug companies and software patents. [00:13] DaemonFC[m] All three countries have agreed to these terms, and in most cases it's worse for consumers than what was the law previously in any particular country. [00:14] DaemonFC[m] The US has become so much less than what it was that fewer and fewer people are even trying to come here, and the Republicans are calling that a success. [00:14] DaemonFC[m] If the economy is booming and there are lots of jobs, that's when you have a lot of people attempting illegal immigration [00:15] DaemonFC[m] When it collapses to a 50 year low, that should tell you there's a problem. It's not worth the effort. Not worth risking your life to try to sneak into a country that's in death rattles. [00:16] DaemonFC[m] Mandy got duped into believing that we were all doing fine here and that his sister was benevolent and then once he got here he found that she was always scheming and taking advantage of him somehow. [00:17] DaemonFC[m] Had absolutely no plan to figure out how to get him any sort of permanent status. She figured she could just keep stringing him along and she'd have complete control. [00:17] DaemonFC[m] I saw what was going on there and I was like that's messed up. [00:18] DaemonFC[m] A lot of people have this idea that things here are better than they actually are. [00:19] DaemonFC[m] The country is in danger of collapsing because it doesn't actually produce. [00:19] DaemonFC[m] It's all about the notion that you can just keep borrowing, devaluing, owning ideas. [00:20] DaemonFC[m] When I saw what the "intangible value" of the market cap in most of the largest companies was, I'm like "How do you even arrive at a dollar figure for that?". It's speculative. [00:21] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Trump has been a horrible setback in many ways. [00:22] DaemonFC[m] People who have lost their job and will never get one like it again were refusing Trade Adjustment Assistance because they kept telling everyone "Oh, he's going to get the coal mine reopened again! He's going to do that. He'll put Crooked Hillary in prison too!". [00:23] DaemonFC[m] TAA is not even enough, but it's something. You can go back and get an education or training to adapt to a job that might still be out there. Right? [00:23] DaemonFC[m] But they refused that because they kept insisting that the coal mines would reopen. [00:23] DaemonFC[m] It's like that movie Downfall where Hitler is going crazy in the bunker screaming about how it's everyone else's fault and ordering around military units that don't exist. [00:24] DaemonFC[m] That's finally what's set in for Trump and people like my dad. [00:25] DaemonFC[m] Only with this it's "voter fraud" that nobody's allowed to see and jobs that will never exist again that are out there that Joe Biden will destroy. [00:27] DaemonFC[m] "He's going to destroy coal!". The entire industry is....already in bankruptcy court. [00:27] DaemonFC[m] They've laid off tens of thousands and told them it's permanent. [00:27] DaemonFC[m] They did all of this before we even had an election and 3.5 years into Trump. [00:28] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Trump is trying to sell off oil drilling rights in Alaska's wildlife refuge days before he leaves office. [00:28] schestowitz yup [00:28] schestowitz saw that [00:29] DaemonFC[m] But all of the big banks said they refuse to finance it, and the oil companies are bankrupt and gas is $2 a gallon. [00:29] schestowitz to 'own the libs' [00:29] DaemonFC[m] So it's not clear that this will work no matter how hard he pushes it. [00:29] schestowitz demand for energy is low now [00:29] schestowitz wait until the housing collapse is "real" [00:29] schestowitz shtf and then no incentive for construction [00:30] schestowitz lowering quarrying, truck use, welding etc. [00:30] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, the banks can say they're pro-environment, but what it really is, is that they know a bad investment. [00:30] schestowitz so even less energy use [00:30] schestowitz planes, cars... [00:30] schestowitz https://howiehawkins.us/letter-to-young-people/ [00:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howiehawkins.us | Letter to Young People | Howie Hawkins for President | Angela Walker for Vice President [00:31] DaemonFC[m] There's a lot of traffic lately for a "shutdown". [00:31] DaemonFC[m] But gas prices have oddly not recovered. [00:32] schestowitz traffic? [00:32] schestowitz shutdown? [00:32] schestowitz you mean lockdown? [00:32] schestowitz and cars out and about? [00:32] schestowitz people still have their cars [00:32] schestowitz and gas is cheap [00:32] DaemonFC[m] Yep, people are still out and about. [00:32] schestowitz they need to keep the battery charged [00:33] DaemonFC[m] You can do that with a battery keeper. [00:33] schestowitz cruising around is the only way to do it until it goes on and on ... on neutral at home/garage [00:33] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bkwjmbfkayjdlwwo) has joined #techrights [00:33] DaemonFC[m] Suicide joke? [00:33] DaemonFC[m] :/ [00:33] schestowitz the battery isn't the sole issue [00:33] schestowitz the car needs using [00:33] schestowitz same for planes [00:33] schestowitz otherwise parts erode [00:34] schestowitz gathering durst and dirt [00:34] schestowitz with a plane it can mean falling off the sky [00:34] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, mine has been getting fairly good mileage lately. [00:34] schestowitz for cars maybe parts malfunctioning and roadside maintenance [00:34] DaemonFC[m] I had the upper intake manifold replaced most recently. [00:34] schestowitz same for some electronics, like those wih volatile storage [00:34] DaemonFC[m] It cracked and was causing a vacuum leak. [00:35] schestowitz I would not want to fly now [00:35] schestowitz limited staffing at airport [00:35] DaemonFC[m] I wouldn't fly for a long time. [00:35] schestowitz and who knows how long some planes haven't been used for [00:35] schestowitz some staff laid off [00:35] DaemonFC[m] The fact that 60% are saying they have serious misgivings about a vaccine troubles me. [00:35] DaemonFC[m] If this damned thing never ends, we're screwed. [00:36] schestowitz so either "antivaxxers" are huge [00:36] schestowitz or people get the impression this is about profit this time around [00:36] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705623.jpg [00:36] DaemonFC[m] Most people get other vaccines. [00:36] DaemonFC[m] Like 90-95% of people get most vaccines. [00:36] schestowitz maybe CBS, NBC etc. should keep foisting gates as flag bearer [00:36] schestowitz and see acceptance rates plunge to single-digit [00:37] schestowitz yes, I'd get most vaccines [00:37] schestowitz no questions asked [00:37] schestowitz flu, measles... [00:37] schestowitz those are well established and tested [00:37] schestowitz not tested on some small pile of experimental people with secret data for 1-2 months [00:38] schestowitz MinceR: what keeps you getting up in the morning [00:38] schestowitz "just a few more days, honey..." [00:38] schestowitz "then we're done!" [00:38] DaemonFC[m] I had to clean out those air purifiers already, after just a month. [00:38] DaemonFC[m] They said three but they were getting pretty gross. [00:39] schestowitz cars are gross [00:39] schestowitz they're glass and gloss when new [00:39] schestowitz with plastics and all [00:39] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, and that wears off fast. [00:39] schestowitz after a few months you get everyone's saliva and farts and stuff all over [00:39] schestowitz and there's no easy way to maintain and clean them [00:40] schestowitz so you pay $20,000 for chassis with chairs on it [00:40] schestowitz and some engine [00:40] DaemonFC[m] Jimmy Fallen says, "Can't we just go one week without Rudy Giuliani leaking something?". [00:40] schestowitz plus some electric windows made in china [00:40] DaemonFC[m] He was farting at that ridiculous "voter fraud" hearing with that idiot lady that he brought. [00:40] schestowitz to keep the car electrician f'ing about with, billing you every now and then to 'fix' them [00:41] MinceR 07 013954 < schestowitz> and there's no easy way to maintain and clean them [00:41] MinceR sure there is [00:41] MinceR take it to the dealer for maintenance and to a good car wash for cleaning :> [00:42] schestowitz [00:40] He was farting at that ridiculous "voter fraud" hearing with that idiot lady that he brought. [00:42] schestowitz LOL! [00:42] schestowitz Giuliani? [00:42] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [00:42] schestowitz majestic nvme crash (bad series? happened on two boxes at the same time). Backups were corrupted. got them working last night, will be back up soonish [12:31] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:48] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 07 [13:11] vZS1 http://techrights.org/2020/12/07/charlotte-kilpatrick-lies/ [13:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lies and Fake News With Quotation Marks: The Latest Strategy From Team UPC? | Techrights [13:12] vZS1 What is "IP counsel"? [13:13] vZS1 I feel like that's a culprit here but it isn't immediately obvious from what I've read in the RSS item. [13:14] vZS1 schestowitz: ^ [13:49] MinceR sounds like a networking consultant ● Dec 07 [14:09] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [14:09] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705362.jpg [14:14] vZS1 Lol [14:15] vZS1 Ah yes, some rando "consultant". We must trust. [14:23] MinceR (cat) https://i.imgur.com/TZseF0r.jpeg [14:23] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:26] *inky (~inky@46.162.229.138) has joined #techrights [14:47] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights ● Dec 07 [15:09] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights ● Dec 07 [16:07] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [16:30] schestowitz [13:13] I feel like that's a culprit here but it isn't immediately obvious from what I've read in the RSS item. [16:30] schestowitz AYE PEE Cancel [16:31] schestowitz When someone urinates on the floor [16:31] schestowitz "legals" (the legal dept) sends out a janitor [16:31] schestowitz it's the AYE PEE Cancel [16:32] schestowitz [12:01] schestowitz: [04:38:40] majestic nvme crash (bad series? happened on two boxes at the same time). Backups were corrupted. got them working last night, will be back up soonish [16:32] schestowitz WOOHOO!! [16:32] schestowitz Ariadne: thank you thank you thank youy [16:33] schestowitz Good news. pleroma.site and pleroma.fr will be back shortly. Very serious incident. Backups salvaged. Relieved... [16:35] schestowitz this means viera will work again [16:35] schestowitz I was already thinking about coding something to replace what was done [16:54] *KREYREN has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:55] *KREYREN (~kreyren@fsf/member/kreyren) has joined #techrights [16:58] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-12-07-20-intl/h_0792022078f813e0e6a43ecd327c69d3 [16:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnn.com | This surge is different because "its really about health care capacity," Surgeon General says [16:58] DaemonFC[m] The "Trump lost the election so we can say it's bad now." surge. [16:59] DaemonFC[m] Dr. Fauci is getting a promotion under the new administration, schestowitz ● Dec 07 [17:00] DaemonFC[m] He'll be in the position that Dr. Horrifying Human Wave Scott Atlas was in. [17:03] vZS1 schestowitz: what's pleroma? [17:03] schestowitz elixir-based implementation for social control media, fediverse-compatible [17:04] schestowitz agplv3 iirc [17:04] schestowitz and Ariadne was one of its developers [17:06] DaemonFC[m] electoral-vote dot com is talking about the process by which electoral votes could be challenged and thrown out by Congress. [17:06] vZS1 Oh [17:06] DaemonFC[m] Forgot to mention that even if there was a challenge, both the House and Senate would have to agree, or the challenge to those votes would fail and they must be counted. [17:07] DaemonFC[m] Obviously the House isn't going to do that. [17:07] DaemonFC[m] So this is ridiculous. [17:07] vZS1 I'm guessing viera scrapes it [17:08] DaemonFC[m] The process for a challenge is that something so awful must have happened that for Congress to throw those votes out there would need to be a majority of the House and Senate to confirm the challenge. [17:09] DaemonFC[m] While the Republicans might have done that had they controlled the House, they don't. Not only do they not, but at least seven Republican Senators have come forward and said they wouldn't go along with that. [17:10] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: can you proofread with me? [17:10] schestowitz vZS1: scraping is the wrong word [17:10] schestowitz it federates and writes to IRC [17:10] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, real quick. [17:10] DaemonFC[m] Have maybe ten minutes. [17:10] schestowitz while viera was down I wrote a bot that does this in real time: http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/07/ [17:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [17:10] schestowitz it basically writes to kate, then saves [17:10] schestowitz over ssh [17:11] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: ok, cheers [17:11] schestowitz it'll be short [17:12] DaemonFC[m] Also, the Democrats could get as far along in the process of challenging Trump electors. [17:12] DaemonFC[m] They could say we hereby challenge North Carolina's votes because we believe that Republican trickery and voter suppression makes those electoral votes invalid. [17:12] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.106) has joined #techrights [17:13] DaemonFC[m] Then they could approve the challenge in the House just to watch it die in the Senate. So this idea of objection is going nowhere, and even if they did stall it out through January 20th, Nancy Pelosi would become the president. [17:13] DaemonFC[m] Trump's term would expire and the 25th amendment would be activated. [17:14] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: [17:14] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/07/quick-fixes-at-epo/ [17:14] schestowitz ignore image sizes [17:14] DaemonFC[m] There is no scenario here where Trump is the sitting president after the 20th of January. [17:14] schestowitz I will correct them now [17:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Non-dialogue: EPO Staff Representatives Retire or Resign Before Expiration of Their Term of Office Because of Their Fatigue and Disillusionment. | Techrights [17:15] DaemonFC[m] talking to and listening to [17:15] DaemonFC[m] talking and listening to [17:16] DaemonFC[m] later said he [17:16] DaemonFC[m] that he [17:16] schestowitz I will clarify better [17:16] DaemonFC[m] told or facts he was [17:16] DaemonFC[m] told, or facts that he was [17:17] DaemonFC[m] We have this 3-part series demonstrates [17:17] schestowitz amended [17:17] DaemonFC[m] which demonstrates [17:18] DaemonFC[m] This one wasn't so bad. [17:18] schestowitz thanks [17:18] schestowitz btw [17:18] schestowitz rianne asked me today [17:18] schestowitz who looks after the house, you, mandy or both? [17:18] schestowitz we shopped for lots of fruit and veg today [17:19] schestowitz (because she knows he works) [17:20] DaemonFC[m] Me, mostly. [17:20] schestowitz that's what she guessed [17:20] DaemonFC[m] I've managed to keep household expenses largely under control. [17:21] DaemonFC[m] So we've managed to do okay. [17:21] schestowitz cool [17:21] DaemonFC[m] The electric company emailed me that they approved my rebates for all those appliances I bought with the energy star logo on them. [17:22] DaemonFC[m] Free money. Of course, they have an incentive. If you buy something that uses less power, they have to generate less. [17:23] DaemonFC[m] About 5 years ago when I finally bought an LED television I saw my electric bill go down quite a bit. [17:23] DaemonFC[m] And again when I switched from a desktop to an ultra efficient laptop. [17:26] *xvx has quit (Quit: xvx) [17:27] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.106) has joined #techrights [17:30] schestowitz computers don't take up much power anymore [17:30] schestowitz they do more with less voltage [17:30] schestowitz your power-hungry things are the machines, the physical things like washing machine [17:30] schestowitz or bright light such as garden projectorss [17:30] schestowitz my screens here give me enough light, so I rarely need to turn on other lights [17:31] schestowitz 6 screens, sometimes more [17:31] schestowitz I went to check for more today [17:31] schestowitz I can fit up to 12 screens [17:31] schestowitz but that would be too much, I would not know what to do with them [17:31] schestowitz at some point you just add more distraction than signal [17:33] schestowitz screen arrangement needs changing tonight, as the no-JS interface of twitter that I used minimally every 2 hour (cron job) will be retired next week. Twitter kills it. [17:34] vZS1 Twitter is where the twits go [17:34] inky schestowitz: i know what to do with 12 screens. (: i'd open all my IRC and XMPP group chats on each. (: [17:34] superkuh More screens means more human. [17:35] superkuh I'm currently at 4 in the main span (which mouse/keyboard is shared over) and 2 more accessory monitors. [17:35] vZS1 Use a tiling window manager [17:35] vZS1 That and tmux [17:35] vZS1 I only use 1 monitor [17:35] superkuh No accounting for taste. [17:35] schestowitz it's possible [17:35] schestowitz I did a lot of reading about it today [17:36] schestowitz some people move from multi to single because they say it reduced distraction [17:36] superkuh I lost access to twitter about 8 months ago when they broke my perl scraping scripts permanently. [17:36] schestowitz inky: that too [17:36] schestowitz if you have that many groups [17:36] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:36] vZS1 I also have 2 HDMI inputs on my monitor [17:37] schestowitz the pi has 2 HDMI [17:37] schestowitz I use neither at the moment [17:37] schestowitz I plug it in if we need something exceptional [17:37] schestowitz ssh -X also works [17:38] vZS1 I have an air-gapped machine on the second HDMI input for my monitor. [17:38] vZS1 I just use the button to manually switch to it [17:39] *inky (~inky@46.162.229.138) has joined #techrights [17:49] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Dec 07 [18:12] schestowitz https://twitter.com/s0urfruit/status/1336006808926892033 [18:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@s0urfruit: This is off of Reddit https://t.co/grjdsQ3QGE [18:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2020/07/02/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/ ) ● Dec 07 [19:07] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [19:15] DaemonFC[m] Not too many markdowns today. [19:15] DaemonFC[m] Pork chops and a lasagna hamburger helper. Meh, it's something I guess. [19:15] schestowitz we got about 15 KG [19:15] schestowitz mostly fruit and veg [19:16] schestowitz Walmart UK (Sainsburys) [19:16] schestowitz we only take anything from there if it's like quarter price, otherwise boycott the place [19:17] DaemonFC[m] They we're having issues with celery again. Not much left and what there is was almost rotten. [19:18] DaemonFC[m] So I guess I'll head down to Lewis Fresh Market tomorrow [19:19] DaemonFC[m] https://www.businessinsider.com/majority-republicans-dont-believe-biden-won-election-gallup-poll-2020-12 [19:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | 83% of Republicans don't believe Biden won the 2020 election: poll - Business Insider [19:20] DaemonFC[m] Cue "Resist!" And "#NotMyPresident". [19:22] DaemonFC[m] https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/fear-banned-snl-saturday-night-live-john-belushi-video-1981/amp/ [19:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-faroutmagazine.co.uk | When punk band Fear were banned from Saturday Night Live [19:22] DaemonFC[m] I think they banned Sinead O'Connor for ripping up an image of the pope. [19:23] DaemonFC[m] Somehow it's still unacceptable to protest a group of child molesters with mafia ties who have helped commit atrocities, such as not finding any real criticism at all of the concentration camps during WW2. [19:24] DaemonFC[m] They totally cut me and Mandy loose instead of continuing to help our immigration case because Maricel went insane on them. [19:25] DaemonFC[m] Who cares, I guess? I can probably deal with tying up the loose ends. [19:25] DaemonFC[m] Most of it is grab forms and follow instructions at this point. [19:26] schestowitz Many Trump supporters are deniers [19:26] schestowitz of many things [19:26] schestowitz Birtherism 2.0 [19:26] schestowitz BYE-DON [19:26] schestowitz at least Hillary won popular vote [19:26] schestowitz Biden won along all aspects [19:26] DaemonFC[m] These people have always been out there I guess, supporting Republicans that just hadn't gone totally nuts yet. [19:26] schestowitz The Con man was not even close [19:27] DaemonFC[m] Charles Koch said he screwed up by funding the TEA Party, but he's rich and probably won't have anyone in his circles dealing with consequences. [19:27] DaemonFC[m] Unless it does cause he country to collapse,but you can buy citizenship elsewhere. [19:27] schestowitz he paid techdirt also [19:27] schestowitz many people don't know or remember that [19:28] schestowitz sometimes techdirt/masnick feel too libertarian to [19:28] schestowitz me [19:28] schestowitz like the "hands off" wrt tech companies [19:28] schestowitz even malicious ones [19:28] schestowitz that manipulate people [19:28] schestowitz but with copyrights techdirt is like, "keep companies away from us" [19:28] schestowitz and hands off THE PEOPLE [19:29] schestowitz don't see why he ever though taking koch money was a good diea [19:29] schestowitz idea [19:29] schestowitz probably really desperate when SLAPPed by fraud Shiva [19:31] DaemonFC[m] Those lawsuits are just intended to bury you with legal costs until you go bankrupt. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] And rich people can silence their critics by sitting there and doing it all day. [19:32] DaemonFC[m] Even filing them in states they don't live in and that you don't live in, to find inferior legal systems. [19:35] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/philosophy-3 [19:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Philosophy [19:37] search_social yeah lawfare is a huge problem [19:57] *vZS1 has quit (Quit: Quit) [19:57] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [19:58] DaemonFC[m] Trump said he planned to make SLAPP suits easier to win. [19:58] DaemonFC[m] So that he could sue the news until they wouldn't dare speak the truth about him anymore. [19:58] DaemonFC[m] After he lost the election, the court threw out his lawsuit against CNN the next day. [19:59] search_social i think we all know which side uses slapp suits to silence their opposition ● Dec 07 [20:01] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [20:04] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, that bankrupt Trump-supporter coal CEO Bob Murray used one on John Oliver. [20:04] DaemonFC[m] Murray eventually dropped it and so John Oliver had another show full of insults towards Murray, although he ran them all by HBO's lawyers this time. [20:05] DaemonFC[m] He said the point was that HBO had enough money that if Murray came back they didn't give a fuck. [20:05] search_social hold on i'm crying about how little guy john oliver is such a victim [20:05] DaemonFC[m] But maybe independent journalists and bloggers don't. [20:05] search_social that guy's obviously ruined thousands of people with slapp lawsuits [20:05] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:05] search_social and was indignant one got used against him for once [20:07] DaemonFC[m] Then there was the beef industry lawsuit against Oprah for talking about Pink Slime. [20:07] DaemonFC[m] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime [20:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pink slime - Wikipedia [20:07] DaemonFC[m] Everyone rushed to take it out, including McDonalds. [20:08] DaemonFC[m] I said, "Oh, as soon as nobody is watching them, they'll slip it back in.". [20:08] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/sleeping [20:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Sleeping [20:08] DaemonFC[m] The food safety agencies in Canada and the EU don't even allow it because it has ammonia in it. [20:10] search_social oh wow oprah [20:10] DaemonFC[m] It's just more industry crap that we're supposed to consume because it's good for them. [20:11] search_social another poor little guy [20:11] search_social being abused by the system [20:11] DaemonFC[m] Like, these dangerous Coronavirus vaccines. [20:11] DaemonFC[m] They're not going to give them to anyone important. [20:11] search_social i'm sure oprah has never filed thousands of slapp lawsuits against people [20:11] DaemonFC[m] They'll just shove them in all of us and then they'll come out when they think it's safe. [20:11] search_social wait you are anti-vax now? [20:11] DaemonFC[m] And some people will be very badly injured. [20:11] search_social based [20:12] DaemonFC[m] Well, consider this. Even though only about 20% of Americans got the vaccine for the fake flu pandemic in 1976, hundreds were left paralyzed, and a few hundred died from the vaccine. [20:12] DaemonFC[m] Even though the flu itself never got off the military base that had the outbreak. [20:13] DaemonFC[m] It was an election year rush job that President Ford was hoping would score him some artificial approval rating points after he had pardoned Nixon. [20:13] DaemonFC[m] And by 1976, we knew how to make a flu vaccine. [20:13] search_social yeah i'm anti-vax too [20:13] search_social it's a well-known right-wing position [20:13] search_social happy your onboard [20:13] DaemonFC[m] The US went ahead, against the advice of WHO mind you, and with no other countries doing a vaccine program. [20:14] DaemonFC[m] And probably thousands of Americans either died of the vaccine or were badly injured. [20:14] DaemonFC[m] Given that we've never had a Coronavirus vaccine, much less any vaccine at all based on mRNA, what do you think we'll get when they give this out and demand that everyone takes it? [20:15] DaemonFC[m] It may work just fine, but nobody knows. [20:15] vZS1 Here in the UK we're guinea pigs for the new Covid vaccine. I'm not anti-vax, mind you, but how long did they trial this vaccine for? [20:15] search_social i mean they say it causes sterility [20:15] DaemonFC[m] They've followed around thousands of study participants for a couple of months and won't even release what they know of that happened to them so far. [20:15] superkuh We'll get a lot of ignorant people like yourself mistaking completely unrelated sickness and events in people's lives as something caused by the vaccine. I guarantee it. Also, I remember why I stopped coming here. [20:15] *superkuh (~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh) has left #techrights ("the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer") [20:16] DaemonFC[m] That's not a recipe for getting the public to trust you about the vaccine. [20:16] vZS1 schestowitz: sent you a little nugget by email. [20:17] DaemonFC[m] They need to release a complete side effect profile detailing what happened to what percentage of study participants and something that shows it actually works and how they arrived at that conclusion. [20:17] vZS1 Yeah. I'm concerned about the lack of data here. [20:17] search_social yeah [20:17] DaemonFC[m] All we have so far are news blurbs with scant details and quotes from Bill Gates. [20:17] *inky (~inky@46.162.229.138) has joined #techrights [20:17] DaemonFC[m] I'm not saying that there's no acceptable amount of risk. [20:18] DaemonFC[m] They have to show that the vaccine won't be more of a risk than what we're doing now for the people they intend to give it to. [20:18] DaemonFC[m] If you're an 80 year old man, obviously your risk from the Coronavirus itself is probably a lot worse than the risk from the vaccine. [20:19] search_social yes [20:19] DaemonFC[m] If you're a healthcare worker who keeps getting exposed to it in an ICU ward... [20:19] DaemonFC[m] So we need to do a limited rollout anyway due to the fact that we can't produce enough and there are people where the risk of Coronavirus is severe. [20:20] DaemonFC[m] So when Gates says that, he's just saying what anyone could sit down and think about for a few minutes. [20:20] DaemonFC[m] Doesn't need a medical degree. [20:21] search_social don't tell me we trust the windows guy [20:21] smnthermes > Also, I remember why I stopped coming here [20:21] smnthermes Oof [20:21] vZS1 smnthermes: who said that? [20:22] smnthermes superkuh [20:22] vZS1 Ah [20:25] DaemonFC[m] Well, 95% of the people we're losing are elderly. [20:26] DaemonFC[m] So while saying "Oh give it to them!" sounds cruel given that we only barely know what the vaccine does, they're almost all of the Coronavirus deaths and they won't have to live another 40-80 years with whatever the vaccine ends up doing. [20:26] DaemonFC[m] If anything. [20:27] DaemonFC[m] It's really the least bad option that we have here. [20:31] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/reality [20:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Reality [20:36] vZS1 Is there any WHO report on this vaccine? [20:36] vZS1 PR spin is about all I've heard so far [20:37] schestowitz which vaccine? [20:37] schestowitz They mocked the Russian one [20:37] schestowitz if from US, good [20:37] schestowitz Russia, bad [20:37] schestowitz Bill Gates, good [20:37] vZS1 The Covid one the UK is rolling out [20:37] schestowitz Putin, bad [20:37] schestowitz when the media has all those owners and sponsored it's trouble [20:38] schestowitz the UK will have an experiment [20:38] schestowitz not a vaccinr [20:38] schestowitz *vaccine [20:38] schestowitz vaccines take 5-10 years to make and test [20:38] schestowitz not a few months [20:38] vZS1 > the UK will have an experiment [20:38] vZS1 Ok [20:38] vZS1 That's what I thought [20:39] schestowitz experiments promote by Bush, Obama, Kind and Queen, and Gates too [20:39] schestowitz I wonder who deemed it a good idea to make them marketers of the thing [20:39] schestowitz it's not a badge of endorsement [20:39] schestowitz it's more like, "THOSE RICH PEOPLE AND WAR CRIMINALS REALLY WANT YOU TO TAKE THIS THING" [20:39] MinceR it seems it works on a lot of stupid people [20:40] vZS1 Ma, I'm going to be a guinea pig. [20:40] schestowitz sometimes they pay the 'volunteers' [20:40] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Bill Gates as a vaccine expert is ridiculous, because even when he makes sense, it would be like CNN saying there's a 5 alarm fire, and here's Bill Gates, fire fighting expert, going "Well, I think, really, fundamentally, the first thing you need to do is find a hose.....". [20:40] schestowitz lots of poor people in the UK now [20:40] schestowitz they pay them and ask them to sign papers (waivers) [20:40] DaemonFC[m] And everyone's like, "Oooooh, we need to listen to this guy and his expert knowledge of putting out fires!". [20:40] schestowitz Gates used to test vaccines on Indians and Africans [20:40] schestowitz he pretended this was charity [20:41] schestowitz a charity that bribed their local media [20:41] vZS1 > Gates used to test vaccines on Indians and Africans [20:41] schestowitz and they could not sue when things went wrong an volunteers even died [20:41] schestowitz Gates invested in the companies that did those clinical trials [20:41] vZS1 This is also what I thought. But I don't have any medical knowledge do I just sat with my tin foil hat in the corner. [20:41] schestowitz he still tests on South Africans [20:41] schestowitz but I've stopped tracking those things [20:42] schestowitz I'm sure he still does this in many places [20:42] schestowitz which is why many call for his arrest [20:42] schestowitz Professor Gates almost finished college [20:42] schestowitz almost [20:42] schestowitz wasn't even a particularly good student there [20:42] schestowitz but who needs a college degree anyway [20:43] schestowitz His parents were worth billions [20:43] schestowitz the media they sponsor lies to people [20:43] schestowitz as if, be a geek [20:43] schestowitz make something geeky [20:43] schestowitz and become a billionaire [20:43] MinceR no, his parents _had_ billions [20:43] MinceR if they're anything like him, they're worthless [20:43] schestowitz the media never talks about how much it helps with your mom is a banking Maxwell [20:43] schestowitz a scion who herself accomplished nothing [20:43] schestowitz born to a powerful oligarchy/dynasty [20:44] schestowitz before Microsoft Bill made a company that went bankrupt [20:44] vZS1 I'm just worried about the entire British population being used as lab rats. [20:44] schestowitz they don't like those terms [20:44] schestowitz "lab rats" [20:44] schestowitz someone send me death threats over it [20:44] schestowitz in USENET [20:44] vZS1 Boo hoo [20:45] schestowitz the context being some bodybuilders with their anabolic steroids [20:45] schestowitz Schwarzenegger was an early "lab rat" [20:45] schestowitz lots of health issues [20:45] schestowitz but he can afford bypasses and replacements [20:45] schestowitz not everyone can [20:45] schestowitz even lying next to Stallone in the hospital [20:46] schestowitz They can afford to get back the years they'd have lost [20:46] schestowitz BTW [20:46] schestowitz re covid [20:46] schestowitz be careful of the antivaxx label [20:46] schestowitz it's being weaponised again [20:46] schestowitz sometimes tried it a decade ago against techrightss [20:46] schestowitz when we spoke about what bill did in india and africa etc. [20:47] schestowitz One of many dozens http://techrights.org/2014/10/21/bill-gates-india/ [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | India May be Taking Bill Gates to Court for Misusing His So-called Charity to Conduct Clinical Trials Without Consent on Behalf of Companies He Invests in | Techrights [20:47] schestowitz more recent http://techrights.org/2020/10/10/bill-gates-in-india/ [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conspiracy Theories Have Successfully Distracted From Perfectly Legitimate and Real Scandals of Bill Gates in India, the Fertile Ground for Unethical Mass Experimentation on Humans | Techrights [20:47] vZS1 It's a bit hard to label someone that takes vaccines as anti vax [20:47] schestowitz I got many vaccines [20:47] vZS1 I take them before trips and such. [20:47] schestowitz but reputable ones [20:47] schestowitz the ones everyone takes [20:47] vZS1 Yeah [20:47] vZS1 That's what I mean [20:47] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Those AIDSVAX studies too, I'm sure. [20:48] DaemonFC[m] Oh let's give this to male prostitutes in Thailand. [20:48] schestowitz I got those vaccines before goign to Asia [20:48] DaemonFC[m] How long will they live anyway? [20:48] schestowitz using hepa and more [20:48] vZS1 I've had multiple rabies vaccines as well [20:48] schestowitz I got that 3 years ago [20:48] schestowitz a dog bit me [20:48] schestowitz a [20:49] schestowitz a puppy [20:49] schestowitz that I was trying to save [20:49] schestowitz she survive another year or so [20:49] schestowitz rabies shots are a pain [20:49] DaemonFC[m] "VaxGen's leadership enthusiastically applied to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for permission to undertake Phase III studies in the U. S. on large numbers of at-risk volunteers. But since some of the Phase I and Phase II volunteers had become infected with HIV while taking the vaccine, showing that the vaccine was not 100% effective, and it was not proven that the vaccine itself hadn't caused these [20:49] DaemonFC[m] infections, the FDA and other members of the medical community hesitated and finally declined to approve Phase III testing "until more was learned about HIV immunity", despite the fact that early versions of successful vaccines have rarely been 100% effective, and even the 1955 Salk polio vaccine was only 70% effective, superseded as it was seven years later by the Sabin vaccine. With human lives at stake, however, [20:49] DaemonFC[m] the FDA could not risk condoning further trials until it knew what had caused the infections." [20:49] schestowitz you need to get like 5 dozes on different days, weeks apart [20:49] schestowitz *5 doses [20:50] DaemonFC[m] Notice the FDA's concern here. [20:50] DaemonFC[m] The vaccine itself might have been causing HIV. [20:50] schestowitz not even vaccines per se [20:50] schestowitz just something you take after you get it [20:50] DaemonFC[m] But since the early trials were outside the US.... [20:50] vZS1 Yeah. I got scratched by a cat I rescued. [20:50] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: as usuall [20:50] schestowitz the US is litigious [20:50] schestowitz people sue over slipping on the floor [20:50] schestowitz even when no real harm done [20:50] DaemonFC[m] There is a US federal law allowing foreigners to sue US corporations in US courts over damages. [20:51] schestowitz and where there were signs to warn [20:51] vZS1 I forgot how long rabies vaccine lasts [20:51] DaemonFC[m] "In response, VaxGen turned to the international community, seeking a place that would sanction clinical trials of AIDSVAX, and after negotiating with AIDS-plagued officials in Africa and Asia, landed upon Thailand." [20:51] DaemonFC[m] Wikipedia.... [20:51] vZS1 Need to ask my nurse [20:51] DaemonFC[m] AIDS_plagued officials. [20:51] DaemonFC[m] See also: Shithole Countries [20:53] DaemonFC[m] "A report published in the December 2009 New England Journal of Medicine on this Thailand clinical trial, also known as the RV144 trial, of the vaccine known as "ALVAC-AIDSVAX B/E" showed the combination treatment's efficacy ranging from 26.1 to 31.4%, which though far from optimal makes the combination AIDSVAX-Aventis vaccine one of the first important milestones in the world's struggle to produce a globally [20:53] DaemonFC[m] effective HIV vaccine. However, during the study seven participants were removed from the study when the results showed they had already been found with an HIV-1 infection at baseline, which changed the result from 26.1 to 31.4% vaccination efficacy." [20:53] DaemonFC[m] I wonder is it unethical to withhold a 31.4% effective HIV vaccine from an at-risk population as one tool to get the epidemic under control. [20:56] schestowitz [20:51] I forgot how long rabies vaccine lasts [20:56] schestowitz not long at all [20:57] schestowitz first time I traveled, the lady who vaccinated me said, "don't get bitten by monkeys" [20:57] schestowitz she thought of Thailand [20:57] schestowitz because the NHS gave nothing for rabies [20:57] vZS1 I paid for mine in another country [20:57] schestowitz they're disastrous with vaccination, but it's not something you pay for separately [20:57] vZS1 I didn't take them in the UK [20:57] schestowitz that's what they told me the second time [20:57] schestowitz to get it in the airport [20:58] schestowitz after TWICE they forgot to stock up [20:58] vZS1 Did you see the email I sent you btw? [20:58] schestowitz even after they had ordered it [20:58] schestowitz vZS1: I do email tomorrow [20:58] vZS1 Fair enough. [20:59] schestowitz I can sympathise with NHS now. [20:59] schestowitz because 1) it's already attacked by bad actors [20:59] schestowitz 2) tories want to make it unpopular to privatise [20:59] schestowitz 3) the alternatives are worse [20:59] *Condor_ (~freenode@e1.nixmagic.com) has joined #techrights [20:59] schestowitz 4) it's actively besieged, so these lack of supplies, nurses etc. are part of the plan [20:59] schestowitz 5) I work for them [20:59] *Condor has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [20:59] schestowitz on some of their servers ● Dec 07 [21:00] vZS1 In pretty sure the NHS was being sabotaged since the Cameron days [21:00] schestowitz even earlier today I chatted with some trusts, sent them data [21:00] vZS1 Particularly because of your item (2) [21:00] schestowitz Cameron for sure [21:01] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/IbfcXwF.mp4 [21:01] DaemonFC[m] And on top of it all, they had to save Boris the idiot while knowing he's part of the group trying to destroy them. [21:02] DaemonFC[m] After he increased their workload in the middle of this by exposing his dumb ass to the virus unnecessarily. [21:04] schestowitz US passing 290k victims now [21:04] schestowitz covid19 numbers suggest maybe 1500 dead today [21:04] schestowitz those figures are for a sunday [21:05] schestowitz texas, georgia and az now reporting yet [21:05] schestowitz those alone would be over 300 [21:05] schestowitz esp. tx [21:06] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Remember Wil Wheaton pissing off his parents by mentioning that they thought Schwarzenegger was a "steroid shooting lech" until he ran for Governor as a Republican and then he was a "fine man who always took his vitamin supplements"?. [21:06] DaemonFC[m] If nothing else, he foretold the coming of Trump about 12 years early. [21:06] MinceR lol [21:07] DaemonFC[m] Because years before Trump ran for president as a Republican I'm sure many would have lambasted him as an industrial strength adulterer with six bankruptcies and 3 mail order brides. So what does he know, anyway? [21:08] vZS1 "industrial strength adulterer" [21:08] vZS1 I'm going to save that for later [21:08] MinceR :) [21:10] DaemonFC[m] The fact that Joe Biden defeated Trump tells you how bad Trump really was, right? [21:11] DaemonFC[m] Biden had been running since 1988 and he even got defeated in that primary by Michael Dukakis, who was so weak that he only won like a few states. [21:11] DaemonFC[m] The whole point of Obama bringing him on was that he wanted a VP who wouldn't overshadow him and get in the way and actually demand to run things, as Dick Cheney had done. [21:12] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:12] DaemonFC[m] Constitutionally, the Vice President can do a lot of things if they choose to assert themselves in the Senate. Cheney rarely presided over the Senate, but he did assert himself there quite a bit compared to his recent predecessors. [21:13] DaemonFC[m] Biden didn't really do much of anything in eight years as VP. [21:13] DaemonFC[m] As a former Senator, Obama certainly knew how to hit the phones to get a couple pieces of major legislation through. [21:14] DaemonFC[m] It really doesn't surprise me that Biden picked Kamala Harris. As far as having experience in the Senate goes and certain to be replaced by a Democrat by the state governor (California) until there's a special election that a Democrat will also win. [21:15] MinceR well, "not much of anything" would certainly be an improvement over twitler [21:15] DaemonFC[m] They really can't afford to gamble with the number of seats they do have or they will have no chance to retake the chamber in the next 4 years. [21:15] vZS1 Cheeto Hitler. That's a good one. Forgot who said that here. [21:16] *xvx has quit (Quit: xvx) [21:16] DaemonFC[m] " On Friday, Donald Trump's TV lawyer Rudy Giuliani asked the state legislatures to invalidate the elections in their states and just appoint Trump electors. The reactions were mixed." [21:16] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: Wil Wheaton was my collague [21:16] schestowitz *colleague [21:16] DaemonFC[m] Ranging from no to hell no, and then by Sunday Giuliani was hospitalized with Coronavirus. [21:17] schestowitz vZS1: MinceR said it [21:17] MinceR i doubt i came up with it though [21:17] schestowitz it always amuses me, the picture of him in bed watching Fox and munching cheetos [21:17] schestowitz to keep his face coloured [21:17] MinceR i don't think much of cheetos :> [21:17] schestowitz I wonder what chemicals give it its taste [21:18] vZS1 Maybe wotzits? [21:18] vZS1 Or is that too British [21:18] schestowitz I found that taste very unique since I was young, but you don't find that in nature... and it's not cheese [21:18] DaemonFC[m] Who knows? [21:18] vZS1 Wotsits* [21:18] schestowitz the DDD whots it [21:18] schestowitz DDT [21:18] DaemonFC[m] I don't like cheetos. They're pretty gross, honestly. [21:18] schestowitz processed foods... you don't know what's in them.. AND DON'T ASK!! [21:18] DaemonFC[m] I don't like most things in the snack aisle except salt and vinegar potato chips. [21:19] schestowitz 'potato' [21:19] schestowitz check ingredients [21:19] schestowitz they make it from some recipe goo [21:19] schestowitz with some potato starch in it [21:19] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, same as everything else. [21:19] schestowitz they shape them like potatoes [21:19] schestowitz so that 'users' (eaters) think it's natural [21:20] schestowitz "just eating some dried potatoes here, matey!" [21:20] schestowitz maybe they'll start making candy shapes like apples and pears [21:20] schestowitz where even the sugars are artificially made chemicals [21:20] MinceR there are many kinds of cheese :> [21:21] *schestowitz looks at the toes [21:21] schestowitz (better than eating from them... RMS) [21:21] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: 1,159 deaths [21:22] schestowitz 45 in georgia [21:22] schestowitz the state trump 'won' [21:22] schestowitz but had it stolen from him [21:22] schestowitz that fraud! [21:22] schestowitz wow, Tennessee has 8,136 new cases [21:23] schestowitz a state with just 6.8 million people [21:23] schestowitz I would not be first to make joke about "Red States" [21:23] schestowitz and why it's Red in 2020 [21:24] MinceR better dead than red [21:25] schestowitz can be more [21:25] schestowitz and both [21:28] search_social i like how ya'll can both understand big pharma is lying to you but still believe big tech isn't lying about election fraud [21:29] MinceR why, did big tech tell us cheeto hitler sabotaged the USPS so that mail votes could be lost or delayed? [21:30] XRevan86 I'm far away, so I don't know, but I feel like it's weird that the people who cry about election fraud are either the Republicans (hypocrits and untrustworthy) and the imageboard public. [21:30] vZS1 Why would someone get their information from big tech anyway? [21:30] XRevan86 s/and/or/ [21:30] MinceR \_()_/ [21:30] search_social it's pretty obvious big tech hates trump a lot [21:31] search_social you'd think you would pause and reflect as to why that is [21:31] MinceR well, that makes hating steaming dump wrong, obviously [21:31] XRevan86 I feel like it would've been a much bigger scandal than it is. [21:31] search_social you're not even asking the question [21:31] MinceR there are always two sides to everything, and exactly one of them is evil [21:31] search_social you go off on big tech in one sentence [21:31] search_social and then trust everything they say in the next [21:31] search_social without even thinking about why that doesn't make sense [21:32] MinceR this sort of "thinking" is why two-party systems are so successful [21:32] XRevan86 But I'm far away and not invested in making some kind of investigation and review of the claims. [21:32] vZS1 search_social: what are you talking about. Who said everyone here trusts "big tech"? [21:32] MinceR search_social: you still have yet to tell is what exactly is the message from big tech we're believing and are supposed to disbelieve [21:32] vZS1 That's quite the assumption [21:32] search_social you're repeating the "there was no election fraud" line that twitter astroturfs into every tweet [21:33] MinceR who is [21:33] vZS1 > you're repeating the "there was no election fraud" line that twitter astroturfs into every tweet [21:33] vZS1 Please define this "you're". [21:33] MinceR s/tell is/tell us/ [21:33] XRevan86 I also heard comparisons with the latest Ukrainian election from the people who claim that the election process is rigged, and that also made me more dismissive, because it was a legitimate election, except according to RT it wasn't. [21:36] XRevan86 That's just my perspective, which is pretty much just justification for not caring :). [21:36] vZS1 Ah yes [21:36] vZS1 RT [21:37] vZS1 The pinnacle of unbiased journalism [21:37] MinceR :) [21:38] XRevan86 Yes, no bulldosering the government agenda and misinformation there whatsoever. [21:39] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [21:42] XRevan86 Totally not a propaganda roeper. [21:50] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:51] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20081053 [21:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4815343) [21:54] XRevan86 MinceR: Nah, GIMP-ed. [21:54] XRevan86 True games won't have the anturage like that. [21:54] MinceR :> [21:54] XRevan86 But the RGB table is on point. [21:55] XRevan86 * entourage [21:55] XRevan86 re-spelt the Russian word without checking and failed [21:56] *inky (~inky@141.136.79.29) has joined #techrights ● Dec 07 [22:00] XRevan86 scientes: I just realised something about declensions and pronouns in English: "hear ye" cannot be reliably changed to the "ye"-less English. [22:01] MinceR doesn't it just change to "hear"? [22:01] XRevan86 MinceR: While keeping the structure, that is. [22:02] *psydroid has quit (*.net *.split) [22:02] *danielinux_ has quit (*.net *.split) [22:02] *swaggboi has quit (*.net *.split) [22:02] *Chaekyung has quit (*.net *.split) [22:03] XRevan86 MinceR: And maybe that means "hear I", it's ambiguous this way [22:04] MinceR :> [22:05] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [22:05] *psydroid (psydroidma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ohidbqexmvtbsdil) has joined #techrights [22:05] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [22:05] XRevan86 When the pronoun is omitted, I can only figure out if it's about oneself or addresses the others from context. [22:05] XRevan86 Either I can't figure out what's the implicit default in English is, or there isn't one. [22:05] XRevan86 * what the [22:06] XRevan86 "[I] called it", "[you] do it" [22:18] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20081044 [22:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4814893) [22:21] XRevan86 MinceR: Some King wrote it [22:21] schestowitz in God's name [22:21] MinceR :> [22:21] schestowitz God lacks limbs [22:21] schestowitz except he's a major dick [22:21] schestowitz he's one giant floating dick [22:21] schestowitz pissed off at everyone [22:21] MinceR Azathoth? [22:22] MinceR or rather, Goomi's version thereof, Zatoth [22:26] XRevan86 In God had a corporeal form, I'd be something perfect, like a spherical horse. [22:27] MinceR :> [22:30] *danielinux_ (sbnc@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io) has joined #techrights [22:30] *Chaekyung (chaekyung@2001:2002:51ed:cee0::) has joined #techrights [22:30] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [22:32] DaemonFC[m] https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/china/south-china-sea-bases-military-intl-hnk/index.html [22:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | South China Sea: Beijing's military bases in disputed waters would be very difficult to defend, report claims - CNN [22:32] DaemonFC[m] Another one of those "We could win a war with China. Yeehaw!" articles. [22:33] DaemonFC[m] More like war with China would be unthinkable and the only reason they wouldn't invade us is nuclear weapons. [22:35] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I saw a new Linux 5.6 OEM kernel go by that didn't look very reassuring. [22:37] DaemonFC[m] A dozen or so involving Tiger Lake, but the most embarrassing one seems to be this. [22:37] DaemonFC[m] https://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux-oem/+git/focal/commit/?h=oem-5.6&id=9e01106c31dad198ff3989b61a8f18c38d301b31 [22:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.launchpad.net | ~canonical-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux-oem/+git/focal - [no description] [22:38] *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/sSNOZOKWRWgrcOzYPldPkjCJ/message.txt > [22:38] DaemonFC[m] So let me get this straight. They couldn't even map the names to the bits properly and we're to assume any of the rest of it works okay? [22:48] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20080934 [22:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4812535) [22:53] Ariadne [10:07] <4caf50vZS1> I'm guessing viera scrapes it [22:53] Ariadne not exactly [22:54] Ariadne viera speaks irc and also activitypub, it receives activitypub messages and relays them to irc ● Dec 07 [23:19] *vZS1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:20] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.203.109.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights [23:20] *vZS1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:20] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [23:23] MinceR (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/QaYgL3U.mp4 [23:27] DaemonFC[m] Apparently, people are back to buying Windows and stuffing it in an emulator on their Macs. [23:27] DaemonFC[m] Why would you do that? [23:28] MinceR because they're dangerously stupid [23:29] DaemonFC[m] MARISOL changed her picture on the Facebook. [23:29] DaemonFC[m] To herself in an N95 respirator. [23:30] DaemonFC[m] How touching. [23:30] oiaohm DaemonFC[m]: there is a mistake in that write up. "Island shelters lack vegetation, natural rock and soil and other coverings, and the altitude is low, while the groundwater level is high. Personnel and resources cannot be stored underground for a long time," Japan base on fraser island world war II had under water storage of fuel and ammo. [23:30] DaemonFC[m] It's nice that hospital ICU nurses can't get them but CTCA found one for a politician. [23:31] oiaohm DaemonFC[m]: personal high ground water is problem. Supplies and resources not so much. [23:31] DaemonFC[m] The strategic value of these bases isn't very much though, I think. [23:32] DaemonFC[m] Nobody else recognizes their territorial claims. [23:32] DaemonFC[m] This rather seems like China spending a lot of money throwing sand into the water to me. [23:32] oiaohm The main need of those bases was cost effective prevention of ship high jacking. [23:32] MinceR just stick the personnel in diving bells or submarines [23:33] DaemonFC[m] Pirates? [23:34] oiaohm DaemonFC[m]: https://time.com/piracy-southeast-asia-malacca-strait/ The money spent on the Islands is nothing compared to the number of ships that use to be high jacked every year in the south china sea. [23:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-time.com | Pirates in Southeast Asia: The World's Most Dangerous Waters [23:34] oiaohm The china based islands have done their job. [23:35] oiaohm If you think if each island as a non moving aircraft carrier. Cost of moving aircraft carrier around is a lot. [23:36] search_social cool [23:36] oiaohm So those bases are cost effective. [23:36] oiaohm Now if those bases should be china controlled that another arguement. [23:37] oiaohm Like UN controlled to protect general shiping there should not be any arguements over them. [23:38] search_social UN haha [23:39] oiaohm Really when you are building bases to block pirates you don't have to design them air strike proof because pirates don't have the resources to-do airstrikes. [23:39] oiaohm The weaknesses in the china island bases is directly linked to what they were built to counter. [23:41] oiaohm They were not designed to counter going head to head with USA or any other countries with bombers. The fraser island base by japan in world war II was designed. Yes fraser island is softer than the man made islands china just made. [23:42] oiaohm search_social: there are a few UN bases around the world that are shared between many countries who only job is to control/reduce piracy of ships. [23:43] oiaohm Its one of the funny parts of the UN. [23:43] oiaohm Something that somewhat works. [23:43] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20080914 [23:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4812025) [23:45] MinceR higher resolution version of earlier >> https://ircz.de/p/20080816 [23:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4810105) [23:49] XRevan86 https://xkcd.com/2395/ [23:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Covid Precaution Level [23:50] XRevan86 MinceR: Exposes the "magic wand" more. [23:50] MinceR that's what she said. [23:50] MinceR the armrest clipping through the table is hilarious though