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[00:13]	schestowitz__	oh, don't mention this to the corporate troll
[00:13]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2021/03/06/astroturfing-vs-grassroots/
[00:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Corporations Do Not Represent Communities and Activists, They Just Exploit Them, Discredit Them, and Hijack Their Hard Work | Techrights
[00:14]	schestowitz__	
[00:14]	schestowitz__	oops
[00:14]	schestowitz__	
[00:14]	schestowitz__	this is a bug
[00:14]	schestowitz__	in Barrier
[00:14]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2021/03/07/foss-people-trafficking/
[00:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When I Discovered People Trafficking in Free/Open Source Software | Techrights
[00:14]	schestowitz__	Google again
[00:14]	vmg3	chinar
[00:14]	schestowitz__	nice companies, eh?
[00:15]	schestowitz__	vmg3: it's a longstanding issue in Synergy as well
[00:15]	schestowitz__	something about encoding
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[00:17]	vmg3	like locusts they seem to grow
[00:18]	schestowitz__	at least we know why the Google trolls are so eager to discredit and cancel the truth-telling elements
[00:18]	schestowitz__	lots of skeletons to hide
[00:18]	schestowitz__	but we'll dig deeper...
[00:18]	schestowitz__	the old emails are coming back
[00:19]	vmg3	big fish eat the little fish
[00:20]	vmg3	you have been busy
[00:23]	schestowitz__	who, me?
[00:23]	vmg3	yeah, into Au events
[00:24]	vmg3	Broken people, broken system.  Christian Porter breaks law  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyk5ri8mU90
[00:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Christian Porter breaks law - YouTube
[00:30]	schestowitz__	curious nation
[00:30]	vmg3	infiltration was a slow process, seems complete now
[00:30]	schestowitz__	faking feminism
[00:30]	schestowitz__	guys
[00:31]	schestowitz__	like the google troll
[00:31]	schestowitz__	concern trolls
[00:31]	vmg3	it has ties to media, religion, money and power
[00:31]	schestowitz__	crate vacuum
[00:31]	schestowitz__	infiltrate
[00:32]	schestowitz__	#cancelPerson
[00:32]		*vmg3 wonders what % of $ it should take to run and org?
[00:32]	schestowitz__	fsfe 20%+ google
[00:32]	schestowitz__	for ages
[00:32]	schestowitz__	google was also a top fsf sponsor for a few years
[00:33]	schestowitz__	I don't know who rejected who at the end
[00:33]	vmg3	trick down ecenomics 
[00:33]	schestowitz__	it's not impossible fsf itself decided to put an end to it
[00:33]	schestowitz__	seeing what google had become
[00:33]	schestowitz__	they create vacuum
[00:33]	schestowitz__	like they did with RMS
[00:33]	schestowitz__	while a google-funded troll pushed for it
[00:33]	vmg3	even charity here has the same problem
[00:34]	schestowitz__	there are corporate charities too
[00:34]	schestowitz__	fake ones
[00:34]	schestowitz__	like Linux Foundation
[00:34]	schestowitz__	and http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique
[00:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights
[00:34]	vmg3	to get the tax free status 
[00:34]	schestowitz__	yup
[00:34]	schestowitz__	whatever they claim to have spent on something "good" is by far exceeded by the savings in tax avoidance
[00:35]	vmg3	you're 3 steps ahead of me
[00:35]	schestowitz__	LF does it too, and it harms the "LINUX" brand http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation
[00:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights
[00:35]	schestowitz__	makes Linux seem or feel just as corrupt as anything
[00:36]	vmg3	so we get pushed backwards 
[00:37]	schestowitz__	yup
[00:37]	vmg3	on the news yesterday our health minister was singing Bills praises
[00:37]	schestowitz__	the goal is to leave the community in disarray
[00:37]	schestowitz__	one tactic is blackmail, others are shame tactics
[00:37]	vmg3	our status quo 
[00:37]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/
[00:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights
[00:38]	schestowitz__	the corporates sometimes even convince themselves  that they are a force for good
[00:38]	schestowitz__	against "unruly" and "rude" grassroots
[00:38]	schestowitz__	but the goal isn't to mislead themselves but the public
[00:38]	vmg3	it creates cynical people
[00:38]	schestowitz__	vmg3: is not, Bill can engineer his ousting
[00:39]	schestowitz__	your health minister prasied a friend of child traffficking monsters
[00:39]	schestowitz__	how's THAT for health
[00:39]	vmg3	he did have a quick mention of not being to happy with windows
[00:39]	schestowitz__	anyway, yes, cynicism is thus overdue
[00:40]	vmg3	but even played that down
[00:40]	schestowitz__	Aussie is a strange nation
[00:40]	schestowitz__	to me
[00:40]	vmg3	all the hacks are getting to em
[00:40]	schestowitz__	I cannot compare it to Canada
[00:40]	vmg3	and me
[00:40]	schestowitz__	South Africa is also different
[00:40]	schestowitz__	took me a while to understand what the media isn't telling
[00:40]	schestowitz__	by meeting people from there
[00:40]	vmg3	it use the word liberal but it's been butchered 
[00:41]	schestowitz__	liberal is a tainted word now
[00:41]	schestowitz__	it's exploited by corporate elements
[00:41]	schestowitz__	neo-liberal is another
[00:41]	schestowitz__	so I'd rather avoid that word
[00:41]	schestowitz__	too tainted to fix
[00:41]	vmg3	yep
[00:41]	schestowitz__	you say "I'm a liberal"
[00:41]	schestowitz__	people might think, "I suppose bombing Libya"
[00:41]	schestowitz__	*support
[00:42]	schestowitz__	and you don't want that..
[00:42]	schestowitz__	"progressive" as a term also become a bit problematic
[00:42]	schestowitz__	so best to avoid labels completely
[00:42]	vmg3	yeah,  I still think education systems are part of the problem
[00:42]	schestowitz__	"hacker" is also a label
[00:42]	schestowitz__	to many people hacker means "criminal" now
[00:43]	vmg3	from getting something working to a criminal
[00:43]	schestowitz__	and the communication channels too are under attack
[00:43]	schestowitz__	edu system stonewalls
[00:43]	schestowitz__	and opens up to moguls
[00:43]	schestowitz__	and the powerful people
[00:43]	vmg3	they are money machines here
[00:43]	schestowitz__	so they engineer or condition people's minds early
[00:43]	schestowitz__	twitter now bans unconventional posts
[00:44]	schestowitz__	they egg on professional trolls
[00:44]	schestowitz__	cults
[00:44]	schestowitz__	even jihadists
[00:44]	vmg3	I only see twitter in other sites embeded now
[00:44]	schestowitz__	those are fine, that's "tolerance"
[00:44]	schestowitz__	but don't go against those, that would be IN-tolerance
[00:44]	schestowitz__	Twitter is falling
[00:44]	schestowitz__	traffic-wise
[00:45]	schestowitz__	it was a lot more influential years ago
[00:45]	vmg3	I noticed this morning google sharing is a shambles. 
[00:45]	schestowitz__	gemini has some promise
[00:45]	vmg3	all for social control
[00:45]	schestowitz__	we need to cultivate and foster it a bit, though it can take time
[00:45]	schestowitz__	and guard against rogue actors
[00:45]	vmg3	yeah.  retro trendy?
[00:46]	schestowitz__	who will try to associate it with "Radical" or "Terrorist" or something..
[00:46]	schestowitz__	vmg3: it does not have to be retro
[00:46]	schestowitz__	you can 'skin' it
[00:46]	schestowitz__	by which I mean theming
[00:46]	schestowitz__	the base itself is light and simple
[00:46]	vmg3	folks like to like
[00:46]	schestowitz__	TLS is not retro
[00:46]	schestowitz__	IRC is not retro either
[00:47]	schestowitz__	it's light and the protocols are kept simple
[00:47]	vmg3	practical 
[00:47]	schestowitz__	this way they support even old IRC clients
[00:47]	schestowitz__	rather than impose bloat and spying on users
[00:47]	schestowitz__	this is why we won't be moving to Matrix
[00:47]	vmg3	yeah, too many love the bloat
[00:47]	schestowitz__	there are Matrix bridges for IRC anyway
[00:47]	schestowitz__	fake novelty isn't a thing
[00:47]	schestowitz__	bloat has a toll
[00:48]	schestowitz__	entry barrier, portability, abandonware
[00:48]	schestowitz__	like writing an application in a large framework that won't be around in 10-20 years
[00:48]	vmg3	its part of the marketing too, upgrade or get left behind
[00:48]	schestowitz__	shaming tactics
[00:48]	schestowitz__	get phone version x+1
[00:48]	schestowitz__	"what will your friends think?"
[00:48]	schestowitz__	BTW
[00:48]	schestowitz__	Aussie media
[00:49]	schestowitz__	recently mocked us
[00:49]	schestowitz__	for using IRC
[00:49]	schestowitz__	THis was in relation to Torvalds talking abour our revelations
[00:49]	vmg3	it's not part of the machine
[00:49]	schestowitz__	so they use Joomla
[00:49]	schestowitz__	or Mambo (still!)
[00:49]	schestowitz__	and then mock us for using IRC
[00:49]	schestowitz__	while they barely maintain their truly broken site
[00:49]	schestowitz__	itwire
[00:49]	schestowitz__	which is down some of the time and hides behind clownflare
[00:49]	vmg3	even for our views on privacy
[00:50]	schestowitz__	views on privacy changed
[00:50]	schestowitz__	it's no longer regarded "paranoid" to value privacy
[00:50]	schestowitz__	but...
[00:50]	schestowitz__	privacy-washing is rampant
[00:50]	schestowitz__	for the worst offenders too
[00:50]	vmg3	now they want to record ethnicity when you get a jab
[00:51]	schestowitz__	so if you say I won't use $SPYINGFIRM because privacy they'll sing praises of how that company is "different"
[00:51]	schestowitz__	Snowden leaks are "old news"
[00:51]	vmg3	yeah 
[00:51]	schestowitz__	which jab? :-)
[00:51]	schestowitz__	I got many jabs
[00:51]	vmg3	covid
[00:51]	schestowitz__	they register who gets jabs anyway
[00:51]	vmg3	is the main one but i think it will carry over
[00:51]	schestowitz__	so it is tied to one's identity regardless
[00:52]	schestowitz__	the NHS records "ethnicity" anyway
[00:52]	vmg3	I'ts like mental health here too it all goes on your Health record
[00:52]	vmg3	then you get judged on that too
[00:52]	schestowitz__	they put this data on Windows
[00:52]	schestowitz__	and also the "clown"
[00:52]	vmg3	yes
[00:52]	schestowitz__	so you probably don't want to tell them much
[00:53]	vmg3	already had leaks here
[00:53]	vmg3	tell a doctor you dont trust their system and the treatment changes
[00:53]	schestowitz__	some stuff is almost benign
[00:54]	vmg3	insurance companies are part of the system
[00:54]	schestowitz__	in the data sense
[00:54]	schestowitz__	I've just sent an update to the NHS at work
[00:54]		*schestowitz__ on shift
[00:54]	vmg3	to make a claim they get full access 
[00:54]	schestowitz__	insurance companies are often invertly connected to the goal of health benefits
[00:55]	vmg3	to get a script, you get piss tested, results recorded
[00:55]	schestowitz__	if that's even a word...
[00:55]	schestowitz__	their goals are almost opposite
[00:55]	schestowitz__	and their business model
[00:55]	schestowitz__	their surplus is your problems
[00:55]	vmg3	they are in the $ buisness 
[00:55]	schestowitz__	https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html
[00:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Goldman asks: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?'
[00:55]	schestowitz__	the piss test isn't the big issue
[00:56]	schestowitz__	depending on what's found on it
[00:56]	schestowitz__	in some context, that data can be used for assassinations
[00:56]	vmg3	it is if you smoke a bit of weed
[00:56]	schestowitz__	e.g. allergies
[00:56]	schestowitz__	but that's stretching it
[00:56]	vmg3	4 weeks + in system
[00:56]	schestowitz__	as if someone wants to bring you down they don't really need your medical records
[00:56]	vmg3	yeah words work
[00:56]	schestowitz__	public shaming and blackmail are another issue
[00:57]	schestowitz__	if you know underlying medical conditions of someone like Gates, would you publicly shame him with it?
[00:57]	vmg3	just a way to get more money, not sustainable
[00:57]	schestowitz__	but you should worry more if they record calls
[00:57]	schestowitz__	and if you tell them very personal things
[00:57]	schestowitz__	(which you should not)
[00:57]	vmg3	yeah, everything is recorded here
[00:57]	schestowitz__	test results of things aren't particularly interesting
[00:58]	schestowitz__	the gossip around it is "interesting"
[00:58]	vmg3	just driving the nail home
[00:58]	vmg3	sounds wicked when a QC spruiks it in a tribunal
[00:58]	schestowitz__	when you have a public health service insurance companies are less of a problem
[00:59]	schestowitz__	in the US, you definitely want to separate the systems
[00:59]	schestowitz__	otherwise they rip you off
[00:59]	vmg3	I'd be dead 
[00:59]	schestowitz__	so your loss or privacy hurts you financially, directly
[00:59]	schestowitz__	A lot of people still look up medical conditions on the Web
● Mar 08
[01:00]	schestowitz__	some people are really that gullible, thinking it's private
[01:00]	vmg3	we were told its going to be free for the vaccine, this morning they were telling us the cost
[01:00]	schestowitz__	and they literally type down what conditions they have
[01:00]	schestowitz__	Google records a 'shadow medical record'
[01:00]	schestowitz__	nothing is free
[01:00]	vmg3	yeah,  I think they profiled me
[01:00]	schestowitz__	"Bill" is a big shareholder
[01:01]	vmg3	it was convinent at the time to store med reports on gdrive
[01:01]	schestowitz__	https://khn.org/news/rather-than-give-away-its-covid-vaccine-oxford-makes-a-deal-with-drugmaker/
[01:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-khn.org | They Pledged to Donate Rights to Their COVID Vaccine, Then Sold Them to Pharma | Kaiser Health News
[01:01]	schestowitz__	https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/
[01:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation
[01:01]	schestowitz_log	"A few weeks later, Oxfordurged on by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundationreversed course. It signed an exclusive vaccine deal with AstraZeneca that gave the pharmaceutical giant sole rights and no guarantee of low priceswith the less-publicized potential for Oxford to eventually make millions from the deal and win plenty of prestige."
[01:02]	schestowitz__	profiteers
[01:02]	schestowitz__	disguised as "charity"
[01:02]	vmg3	we wont be safe until the poorest get it anyway
[01:03]	techrights-bot	FOSS Patents: #Apple may already have lost the strategic battle over #antitrust market definition in multiple European jurisdictions: App Store #monopoly http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/apple-may-already-have-lost-strategic.html #fosspatents
[01:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Apple may already have lost the strategic battle over antitrust market definition in multiple European jurisdictions: App Store monopoly
[01:03]	techrights-bot	GOOGLE's new TRACKING method is even WORSE - What FloC is, and what it means https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GusN5EcrlCU #google #surveillance
[01:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GOOGLE's new TRACKING method is even WORSE - What FloC is, and what it means - YouTube
[01:03]	vmg3	everything mutates and we suffer
[01:03]	techrights-bot	#Smenu : Script The Perfect Terminal Interface - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP-vKnhYyqQ #Video #GNU #Linux
[01:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Smenu: Script The Perfect Terminal Interface - YouTube
[01:04]	schestowitz__	vmg3: the poor suffer more
[01:04]	schestowitz__	and it's how the rich get their "capital"
[01:04]	schestowitz__	more people
[01:04]	schestowitz__	more growth
[01:04]	schestowitz__	more desperate people to exploit
[01:04]	vmg3	I'm more interested in why we allow it
[01:05]	schestowitz__	sweatshops, farmers etc.
[01:05]	vmg3	it's so freaking obvious 
[01:05]	schestowitz__	which the oligarchs' media then demonises
[01:05]	schestowitz__	with GMO they push monopolies on the crops, morever
[01:05]	schestowitz__	so it's an offense to grow your own food
[01:05]	techrights-bot	"Back when we shipped Unity desktop as the default desktop environment in #Ubuntu , there was a simple button to take a user to their previously uploaded crash reports." https://popey.com/blog/2021/03/finding-ubuntu-crash-reports/
[01:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | Finding Ubuntu Crash Reports - Alan Pope's blog
[01:06]	vmg3	easy to make mud of the tech details
[01:06]	techrights-bot	#slashdot as megaphone of #microsoft propaganda. #linux is used more than #windows but they still go along with the lie that #windows is just "a much more attractive target" https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/03/07/2030221/a-retired-microsoft-os-engineers-comparison-of-linux-with-windows http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Slashdot
[01:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | A Retired Microsoft OS Engineer's Comparison of Linux with Windows - Slashdot
[01:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slashdot - Techrights
[01:07]	techrights-bot	When I Discovered People Trafficking in Free/Open Source Software http://techrights.org/2021/03/07/foss-people-trafficking/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/07/foss-people-trafficking/
[01:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When I Discovered People Trafficking in Free/Open Source Software | Techrights
[01:08]	schestowitz__	vmg3: for gmo?
[01:08]	schestowitz__	either way, they control much of the media
[01:08]	schestowitz__	for those they cannot, they try to undermine it
[01:08]	schestowitz__	but the facts are on our side
[01:08]	schestowitz__	then they start censoring
[01:08]	schestowitz__	and trolling
[01:08]	vmg3	yeah most of our food is GM
[01:08]	schestowitz__	for the patents
[01:08]	vmg3	even environment changes genes
[01:09]	schestowitz__	genes change all the time
[01:09]	schestowitz__	for everything
[01:09]	vmg3	this made me smile https://digest.bps.org.uk/2021/03/05/it-turns-out-you-can-bullshit-a-bullshitter-after-all/
[01:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-digest.bps.org.uk | It Turns Out You Can Bullshit A Bullshitter After All Research Digest
[01:09]	schestowitz__	the question is, in which direction
[01:09]	schestowitz__	evolution is like that
[01:09]	vmg3	yep
[01:09]	schestowitz__	anyway, we need strength in numbers
[01:10]	schestowitz__	like the capsule in aussie, which will help
[01:10]	schestowitz__	when we're done restoring it, I guess
[01:10]	schestowitz__	I have limited capacity and we all work really hard
[01:10]	vmg3	yep I just need more skills
[01:10]	schestowitz__	did lots of git/code work Sunday
[01:10]	schestowitz__	mostly Gemini and other tools we use and want to share
[01:10]	vmg3	you have me working hard
[01:11]	schestowitz__	one skill is averting subversion attempts
[01:11]	schestowitz__	inc. corporate trolling
[01:11]	schestowitz__	wikileaks was killed off by that
[01:11]	techrights-bot	#Google HR reportedly advised mental health leave in response to complaints of racist or sexist behavior https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/7/22318369/google-hr-advised-mental-health-leave-racist-sexist-behavior http://techrights.org/2021/03/06/astroturfing-vs-grassroots/
[01:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Google HR reportedly advised mental health leave in response to complaints of racist or sexist behavior - The Verge
[01:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Corporations Do Not Represent Communities and Activists, They Just Exploit Them, Discredit Them, and Hijack Their Hard Work | Techrights
[01:11]	vmg3	still an ongoing thing for assange
[01:12]	vmg3	the murderers are walking amoung us
[01:12]	vmg3	nobody cares, or wants to care
[01:13]	vmg3	tipping point is still a bit off
[01:14]	schestowitz__	because Assange is (they tell us) the real criminals
[01:14]	vmg3	pffft
[01:14]	schestowitz__	while corporate trolls tell us so too
[01:14]	schestowitz__	while calling themselves "justice warriors"
[01:14]	schestowitz__	Not justice for their paymasters
[01:14]	schestowitz__	who abuse whole nations
[01:14]	schestowitz__	it's an old trick though
[01:15]	vmg3	I watched on twitter how easy people believe the mud
[01:15]	Ariadne	i support pardoning assange
[01:15]	schestowitz__	social control media distracts many people now
[01:15]	Ariadne	but i also think that he is a womanizer
[01:15]	schestowitz__	they think they do activism
[01:15]	schestowitz__	until FB
[01:15]	Ariadne	it is possible to think both things
[01:15]	schestowitz__	or Twitter
[01:15]	schestowitz__	bans them
[01:15]	schestowitz__	for the "wrong" activism
[01:15]	vmg3	Ariadne: thats what they want us to believe,  IMHO
[01:15]	schestowitz__	Ariadne: the priority is exposing war crimes
[01:16]	schestowitz__	at the moment we have to prioritise issues
[01:16]	schestowitz__	corporate crimes also
[01:16]	Ariadne	has assange exposed any new war crimes?
[01:16]	vmg3	yeah its all part of the playbook
[01:16]	schestowitz__	the whole "Sex" angle has long been used to discredit people or distract from their word
[01:16]	schestowitz__	*work
[01:16]	schestowitz__	and words
[01:16]	Ariadne	since collateral murder, wikileaks has only done the cables thing
[01:16]	schestowitz__	also MLK
[01:16]	schestowitz__	the sex tapes
[01:16]	schestowitz__	Ariadne: nope
[01:16]	schestowitz__	look at their site
[01:17]	schestowitz__	lots of crime exposed
[01:17]	vmg3	throw enough mud sooner or later some of it sticks
[01:17]	schestowitz__	even last year
[01:17]	schestowitz__	in Africa and Scandinavia
[01:17]	schestowitz__	https://wikileaks.org/-Leaks-.html
[01:17]	Ariadne	on the front page of wikileaks the newest content i see is October 2019
[01:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - Leaks
[01:17]	schestowitz__	note dates
[01:17]	schestowitz__	Vault7 is still very valuable
[01:17]	Ariadne	on that page, December 2018
[01:17]	schestowitz__	it confirmed many things
[01:17]	vmg3	yeah thats an indication that intimidation works
[01:17]	schestowitz__	Ariadne: yes
[01:18]	schestowitz__	Ariadne: when you kidnap a founder
[01:18]	schestowitz__	that kind of messes up with a site's operatio n
[01:18]	Ariadne	sounds like poor management decisions
[01:18]	schestowitz__	don't fault them for crimes of the state against publishers
[01:18]	schestowitz__	Ariadne: again, a distraction
[01:18]	Ariadne	if i ran wikileaks i would have set it up so that it could continue operating
[01:18]	schestowitz__	blaming the exposer
[01:19]	schestowitz__	Ariadne: in techrights we now have some redundancy built in
[01:19]	schestowitz__	so it relies on no single individual
[01:19]	vmg3	Its a complicated issue and huge
[01:19]	schestowitz__	Ariadne: you are among them :-)
[01:19]	schestowitz__	we live and learn
[01:19]	schestowitz__	it's also deterring against particular actions
[01:19]	schestowitz__	anti-censorship done a priori means they don't bother slapping
[01:20]	vmg3	the guys from piratebay warned us years ago what was coming 
[01:20]	schestowitz__	because the SLAPP would have little practical impact
[01:20]	Ariadne	anyway i do not see how accountability for bad actions done by a person is incompatible with propagating the spread of useful information
[01:20]	schestowitz__	vmg3: they dealt with even more aggressive forces
[01:20]	schestowitz__	Ariadne: we need truths, yes
[01:20]	Ariadne	the reality is assange is a womanizer and ioerror is a rapist
[01:21]	schestowitz__	did you see the latest from pocock?
[01:21]	Ariadne	that does not subtract from their work
[01:21]	schestowitz__	he spills the beans on some big companies today
[01:21]	vmg3	but we talk about a slippery condom instead of murder
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[01:21]	schestowitz__	it's what the media wants
[01:21]	schestowitz__	MLK 'cheated on his wife"
[01:21]	schestowitz__	let's ignore the oppression of black people
[01:21]	Ariadne	i dont think the media cares either way about ioerror being a rapist
[01:21]	schestowitz__	eventually he was just killed
[01:22]	schestowitz__	Ariadne: you change the subject
[01:22]	vmg3	guilt by association 
[01:22]	schestowitz__	we did not mention ioerror
[01:22]	schestowitz__	don't play into it
[01:22]	schestowitz__	it's you who bring up smears
[01:22]	schestowitz__	and you brought up "Sex"
[01:22]	schestowitz__	as they want
[01:22]	schestowitz__	that's just what trolls like to do
[01:22]	schestowitz__	we talked about exposing crimes
[01:22]	schestowitz__	not sex
[01:23]	schestowitz__	MLK Day isn't about sex
[01:23]	schestowitz__	or FBU sex tapes
[01:23]	schestowitz__	makes for blackmail
[01:23]	schestowitz__	*made
[01:23]	vmg3	how would a intelligence re/gain trust?
[01:23]	techrights-bot	A Look at the Newly-Released Pardus 19.5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148544 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #turkey #pardus
[01:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Look at the Newly-Released Pardus 19.5 | Tux Machines
[01:23]	Ariadne	anyway
[01:23]	techrights-bot	The #Kubuntu Focus M2 Linux Notebook Gets Nvidia's GeForce RTX 30-Series GPUs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148494#comment-28542
[01:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubuntu Focus M2 Linux laptop now available with NVIDIA RTX 30x series graphics | Tux Machines
[01:23]	mjg59	schestowitz__: You've repeatedly brought up Jake as an example
[01:23]	techrights-bot	#Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148542 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[01:24]	schestowitz__	lik CrystalMath said, this is not sexrights
[01:24]	schestowitz__	those who try to change the subject to sex are obviously doing this for a reason
[01:24]	vmg3	brb
[01:24]	Ariadne	yes, accountability
[01:24]	schestowitz__	bbl
[01:25]	Ariadne	as for pocock, that is a complicated issue
[01:25]	techrights-bot	#9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: March 7th, 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148543 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: March 7th, 2021 | Tux Machines
[01:25]	mjg59	Pocock has engaged in a concerted campaign of harassment against various people in Debian, including impersonating other people
[01:25]	Ariadne	his work would be more convincing if he did not spend his time trying to ban evade debian blocks on his server
[01:25]	techrights-bot	Videos: Smenu, Linux Experiment, and David Revoy With Krita http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148545 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos: Smenu, Linux Experiment, and David Revoy With Krita | Tux Machines
[01:26]	Ariadne	i only bring these things up because those people are manipulating *you* and looking to use techrights reputation to bolster their own campaigns
[01:28]	Ariadne	when myself, ncopa, fabled and others were unhappy with debian, we went and started alpine -- we did not get banned from debian and then spend years evading moderation mechanisms designed to enforce that ban
[01:29]	techrights-bot	Top 25 icon themes for #Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148546 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 25 icon themes for Ubuntu | Tux Machines
[01:29]	techrights-bot	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148547 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[01:29]	techrights-bot	#Linux 5.11.4, 5.10.21, 5.4.103, 4.19.179, 4.14.224, 4.9.260, and 4.4.260 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148548 #Kernel
[01:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.11.4, 5.10.21, 5.4.103, 4.19.179, 4.14.224, 4.9.260, and 4.4.260 | Tux Machines
[01:29]	Ariadne	i will admit that the conditions under which he was banned from debian are not clear cut, but his behavior as a result of that ban has not been reconciliatory
[01:30]	MinceR	why worry about deadian? it's an ibm patsy now
[01:30]	Ariadne	instead, he has impersonated members of the debian project, threatened and harassed other members, etc
[01:30]	Ariadne	i don't care what debian does
[01:31]	MinceR	i don't care what happens to deadian
[01:31]	techrights-bot	"At #FOSDEM 2017, Cat Allman from the #Google Open Source [sic] Programs Office (Stephanie Taylors team) had a discussion with one of the men from Albania. Google offered to be a silver sponsor for #OSCAL in May 2017." http://techrights.org/2021/03/07/foss-people-trafficking/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/07/foss-people-trafficking/
[01:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When I Discovered People Trafficking in Free/Open Source Software | Techrights
[01:31]	vmg3	I've been running it for years and it's served me well.
[01:32]	vmg3	the politics has little to play
[01:32]	MinceR	it served me well too, until it suddenly turned into a delivery vector for systemd
[01:33]	vmg3	yeah looking at that myself, but my understanding is not in the code just in memory usage
[01:33]	Ariadne	i think the main reason why debian is low drama is because anybody with technical aspirations just goes and makes a new distro
[01:33]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: sometimes when you put a lot of work into something, you can be very upset to discover it was all for naught, or worse
[01:34]	schestowitz__	"The Revolution  (OS) WILL be Decommoditised"
[01:34]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: sure, i recommend therapy for mr. pocock
[01:34]	CrystalMath	if i had put any work into debian i'd be upset too
[01:34]	CrystalMath	fortunately i didn't
[01:34]	vmg3	has anyone tried arozos?
[01:34]	schestowitz__	and GSoC
[01:34]	schestowitz__	he mentored for an evil company
[01:34]	Ariadne	well i put work into debian and then i went and started alpine instead
[01:34]	Ariadne	big woop
[01:34]	schestowitz__	that commits or helps commit crimes against humanty
[01:34]	schestowitz__	many people still fall for it
[01:35]	CrystalMath	those bastards don't deserve even the slightest bit of help
[01:35]	schestowitz__	that's why we need whistleblowers
[01:35]	CrystalMath	debian only deserves death
[01:35]	Ariadne	why
[01:35]	schestowitz__	The pocock article is in Planet Fedora now
[01:35]	schestowitz__	i.e. IBM
[01:35]	CrystalMath	because they're horrible
[01:35]	schestowitz__	IBM is OK with it
[01:35]	Ariadne	i have many friends involved in debian, to this day
[01:35]	superkuh	My apt has super cow powers.
[01:36]	schestowitz__	btw, exposing abuse is not "harassment"
[01:36]	schestowitz__	don't give woes to REAL victims of real harassment
[01:36]	schestowitz__	bbl
[01:36]	CrystalMath	i will celebrate on the day when debian disappears
[01:36]	CrystalMath	once all its releases go EOL and it never does a single thing again
[01:36]	vmg3	investigative work/reporting has many methods
[01:36]	MinceR	same
[01:37]	techrights-bot	"Canonical reveals long-term Ubuntu plans that you might have missed, and the "double ungood" warning from Linus this week." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/144417/linux-action-news-179/
[01:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Linux Action News 179 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[01:38]	techrights-bot	Open Source #Security Podcast: "Josh and Kurt talk about DWF. Its back and the intention is to have real community driven security identifiers!" https://opensourcesecurity.io/2021/03/07/episode-261-dwf-is-back-welcome-to-community-powered-cve/
[01:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensourcesecurity.io | Episode 261 DWF is back! Welcome to community powered CVE Open Source Security
[01:38]	Ariadne	schestowitz__: exposing abuse on your own website is not harassment.  evading IP bans and impersonating debian personnel to drive traffic to your website definitely is.
[01:38]	techrights-ipfs	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.40   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 87.45 swarm size (avg): 129.49  
[01:39]	techrights-bot	" #Python generators are very powerful for handling operations which require large amount of memory." https://www.nbshare.io/notebook/286849692/Python-Generators/
[01:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbshare.io | Python Generators
[01:40]	techrights-bot	From buzzword to another buzzword https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQgHbHJlAjo
[01:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why I Moved From Ops to DevOps (and why you might want to) - YouTube
[01:41]	techrights-bot	International Womens Day March 8, 2021 https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/03/08/iwd-2021/ when will #freesw blogs also converge with veganism?
[01:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | International Women's Day - March 8, 2021 - The Document Foundation Blog
[01:42]	techrights-bot	#freesw is about justice and freedom, not #monopolies (which it inherently attempts to tackle). Start rejecting ALL money from ALL monopolies if you run a Free software org. That money comes with strings attached, whether visible or not (at first).
[01:43]	techrights-bot	"The nohz_full= kernel boot parameter is the current main interface to configure full dynticks along with CPU Isolation." https://www.suse.com/c/cpu-isolation-nohz_full-part-3/
[01:43]	mjg59	Oh, so free software *is* about justice and freedom?
[01:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CPU Isolation Nohz_full by SUSE Labs (part 3) | SUSE Communities
[01:45]	mjg59	schestowitz__: But not about justice for Jake's victims?
[01:45]	techrights-bot	"At the last minute, when it was too late to change the materials and the budget, #Google decided to remove funding from this free software event" http://techrights.org/2021/03/07/foss-people-trafficking/
[01:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When I Discovered People Trafficking in Free/Open Source Software | Techrights
[01:45]	techrights-bot	"In other words, the 70-80% female:male in Chris Lambs comments didnt represent empowerment, it represented deceptive practices to make women work at #OSCAL and coercive practices to prevent them sending funding requests for other events." http://techrights.org/2021/03/07/foss-people-trafficking/
[01:50]	techrights-bot	"qute-gemini is a qutebrowser userscript that allows browsing Geminispace from within qutebrowser." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005990.html awesome stuff! That also means #gemini protocol support is now in #gnu #linux repos!
[01:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [ANN] qute-gemini 1.0.0, now sucks less
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[01:53]	vmg3	oh I like qute
[01:58]	techrights-bot	What really sucks about #qutebrowser (in most settings) is that it's tied to a massive #scam called #duckDuckGo ... massive scam. http://techrights.org/2020/07/02/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/
[01:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why People Should Never Ever Use DuckDuckGo | Techrights
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[02:01]	techrights-bot	#duckDuckGo uses its #surveillanceCapitalism revenue to lie to you about #privacy ... same thing #mozilla does. #google
[02:01]	MinceR	too bad it depends on qt :>
[02:03]	vmg3	but it is leaner than many of the alts
[02:04]	schestowitz__	MinceR: yup
[02:04]	schestowitz__	falkon also
[02:05]	schestowitz__	we really need qt forked
[02:05]	schestowitz__	and the forked adopted, maintained
[02:05]	cybrNaut	DDG has gotten worse than what that article exposes.  DDG used to be hosted on Amazon, and it switched to MS Azure, which means MS can now see both the IP and the query text coming to bing, and link identity to search phrase
[02:05]	schestowitz__	like libreoffice did openfoffice
[02:05]	MinceR	it would be easier to maintain something less bloated
[02:05]	craigevil	falkon, midori, eolie, netsurf
[02:05]	MinceR	and we practically need to fork of all of the IT industry by now
[02:05]	schestowitz__	cybrNaut: oh, wow
[02:05]	schestowitz__	any links about that?
[02:06]	cybrNaut	schestowitz__: no, i just worked it out the other day.. haven't written any articles
[02:06]	schestowitz__	cybrNaut: for almost a decade DDG has felt like a Microsoft proxy
[02:06]	schestowitz__	for several reasons
[02:06]	schestowitz__	cybrNaut: they did use some Microsoft stuff before
[02:07]	schestowitz__	didn't know if/when AWS was left
[02:07]	MinceR	like bng :>
[02:07]	cybrNaut	note that it's speculative.. we don't know MS does that, but it seems quite possible
[02:07]	schestowitz__	DDG makes me angry when I see this
[02:07]	schestowitz__	liars, liars, liars
[02:07]	schestowitz__	at least stop lying
[02:07]	schestowitz__	mozilla annoys me less with its privacy posing
[02:07]	MinceR	if microshit can do something that lessens our privacy, we can be pretty sure they're doing it
[02:07]	schestowitz__	while living off Google s$
[02:07]	cybrNaut	and we should assume MS would not give up the chance to exploit that.  It's all hinged on trust
[02:08]	MinceR	remember monkey boy raging about google gathering more data on people than microshit did
[02:08]	schestowitz__	"google reads your mail"
[02:08]	schestowitz__	Microsoft does not?
[02:08]	schestowitz__	Microsoft drinks your mail -)
[02:08]	schestowitz__	and sells your mail to everybody
[02:08]	schestowitz__	anyway
[02:09]	schestowitz__	we need to reject all those 'free' email disservices
[02:09]	schestowitz__	there's no free email
[02:09]	schestowitz__	nobody set up a Free Email Foundation
[02:09]	MinceR	maybe stop relying on email for privacy and security
[02:09]	schestowitz__	a charity backed by benevolent billionaire's
[02:09]	schestowitz__	MinceR: or encrypt
[02:09]	schestowitz__	but then they push you out
[02:09]	schestowitz__	for not being easy to monetise
[02:10]	schestowitz__	"just taking up traffic!"
[02:10]	MinceR	sure, as long as you can be sure all correspondents will refuse to stop encrypting if messages get corrupted or stop getting through
[02:10]	schestowitz__	I barely send any mail without encrypting
[02:10]	schestowitz__	I use other comms methods
[02:10]	cybrNaut	email is just getting more and more broken.  gnu.org started rejecting msgs where the FROM domain differs from the IP reverse lookup, so I can no longer email RMS using a forwarding account
[02:11]	schestowitz__	the monopolies get their way
[02:11]	schestowitz__	mostly microsoft, google, maybe gmx
[02:11]	schestowitz__	they lock everybody else out
[02:11]	schestowitz__	using "Spam" as excuse for monopoly
[02:11]	schestowitz__	and then "Extending" (breaking, deviating from) protocols
[02:12]	schestowitz__	surveillance sieves
[02:12]	schestowitz__	they impose those on schools and colleges too
[02:12]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_ELMS
[02:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft ELMS - Techrights
[02:12]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EDGI
[02:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EDGI - Techrights
[02:12]	schestowitz__	agents of imperialism
[02:12]	schestowitz__	by espionage
[02:12]	schestowitz__	with back doors and direct access
[02:12]	schestowitz__	then zemlin and other frauds shower us with labels like "confidential computing"
[02:13]	schestowitz__	Surveillance is now "confidential computing"
[02:13]	techrights-bot	Racist #IBM goes out of its way to break #GNU #Linux for community-led projects.
[02:14]	MinceR	lol
[02:14]	MinceR	i guess zemlin believes his dick pics on his hypeCloud account are "confidential" too
[02:15]	schestowitz__	they are
[02:15]	schestowitz__	as long as he plays along
[02:15]	schestowitz__	"it would be a shame if you criticised sponsor X and Y"
[02:15]	MinceR	until someone breaks into the server yet again
[02:16]	schestowitz__	LF had security breaches
[02:16]	schestowitz__	then again, they use Windows
[02:16]	schestowitz__	on desktops
[02:16]	schestowitz__	sometimes servers also
[02:16]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2019/07/17/we-are-the-windows-powered-linux-foundation/
[02:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Apparently Celebrates Sysadmin Day With a Microsoft Windows Site! | Techrights
[02:16]	vmg3	DDG story even lite has js in results, sneaky bastards
[02:16]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/proprietary-iis-and-windows-foundation/
[02:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Newsletter is Microsoft Windows and Proprietary IIS | Techrights
[02:16]	schestowitz__	LF is corporate corruption exemplified
[02:21]	vmg3	all the wells are poisoned 
[02:22]	schestowitz__	whatever remains... is in the TODO list
[02:22]	schestowitz__	I hear from people who are being targeted
[02:23]	schestowitz__	intimidated and smeared
[02:23]	schestowitz__	for speaking out
[02:23]	schestowitz__	about what's going on
[02:23]	schestowitz__	it's an anti-community purge
[02:23]	schestowitz__	and they have the money on their side, not the facts
[02:23]	schestowitz__	the modus operandi is more or less known by now
[02:23]	vmg3	:<
[02:23]	schestowitz__	anyway, we need more people involved
[02:24]	schestowitz__	and contributing at feasible levels
[02:24]	schestowitz__	coding, hosting, art
[02:24]	schestowitz__	we have a skilled volunteer who is an artist and she does great stuff for us
[02:24]	vmg3	I saw a ransomware attack that got people to join a chat 
[02:24]	schestowitz__	ransomware is often a Windows problem
[02:24]	schestowitz__	and it killed many people
[02:25]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/
[02:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights
[02:25]	vmg3	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-ransomware-only-decrypts-victims-who-join-their-discord-server/
[02:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | New ransomware only decrypts victims who join their Discord server
[02:26]	schestowitz__	this is a Microsoft propaganda site
[02:26]	schestowitz__	so be wary
[02:26]	schestowitz__	they never mention the Microsoft culpability
[02:26]	vmg3	it has the ad's for sure
[02:26]	schestowitz__	I'd avoid linking to that if possible
[02:26]	schestowitz__	they also deflected the other day, as noted in our video, from Microsoft
[02:26]	schestowitz__	you mentioned it earlier
[02:27]	schestowitz__	Blaming on "Amazon" or "Lyft"
[02:27]	schestowitz__	Microsoft serving malware
[02:27]	schestowitz__	and sometimes even putting "Linux" in the headline
[02:27]	schestowitz__	when in fact that's just Microsoft pushing malware to Linux machines
[02:27]	schestowitz__	pure propaganda
[02:27]	schestowitz__	and now they also blame "China"
[02:27]	vmg3	yeah its hard to escape
[02:27]	schestowitz__	truly nasty company
[02:27]	schestowitz__	and many people fall for the spin
[02:28]	schestowitz__	because the corrupt (bribed) media plays along with the false narratives
[02:28]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/
[02:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights
[02:28]	schestowitz__	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/malicious-npm-packages-target-amazon-slack-with-new-dependency-attacks/
[02:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Malicious NPM packages target Amazon, Slack with new dependency attacks
[02:28]	schestowitz__	same propahanda site
[02:28]	schestowitz__	let's blame Microsoft rivals
[02:28]	schestowitz__	for Microsoft pushing malware to their servers
[02:29]	vmg3	they like to drop names to deflect 
[02:29]	schestowitz__	yup
[02:29]	schestowitz__	wow, the qutebrowser experience is awful
[02:30]	schestowitz__	not just the ui
[02:30]	vmg3	"Discord commonly used by threat actors"
[02:30]	schestowitz__	but also DDG by default
[02:30]	schestowitz__	on debian buster at least
[02:30]	schestowitz__	and it's almost impossible to change unless you know what you're doing
[02:30]	schestowitz__	so, to me at least, it feels like malware
[02:30]	schestowitz__	launch software
[02:30]	schestowitz__	enter something into the box
[02:30]	schestowitz__	and you have been keylogged by spying firm
[02:30]	MinceR	afaict qutebrowser is designed for people who know what they're doing
[02:30]	vmg3	yeah now I'm parinoid about everything
[02:31]	schestowitz__	startpage also
[02:31]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage
[02:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights
[02:31]	schestowitz__	some people STILL recommend this crap
[02:31]	schestowitz__	in SPITE of what is known for a fact
[02:31]	schestowitz__	money talks
[02:31]	schestowitz__	surveillance has money
[02:31]	schestowitz__	manipulating people... that's where the money is
[02:31]	schestowitz__	people have money
[02:31]	schestowitz__	by manipulating them you control where their money goes
[02:32]	schestowitz__	manipulation includes blackmail
[02:32]	schestowitz__	hush money
[02:32]	schestowitz__	like Google paying people to hide the sex scandals
[02:32]	schestowitz__	or paying trolls
[02:32]	schestowitz__	to bring up "sex" each time people talk about back doors, privacy etc.
[02:32]	schestowitz__	anyway, Startpage is liars
[02:32]	schestowitz__	like DDG
[02:33]	schestowitz__	there's "no money" in private search
[02:33]	schestowitz__	same for email
[02:33]	schestowitz__	people may one day accept there's no "free stuff"
[02:33]	schestowitz__	twitter and FB are not free either
[02:33]	schestowitz__	they can tolerate the "users" as long as the customers (advertisers) do
[02:34]	schestowitz__	OK, IRC logs time
[02:34]	vmg3	free like prison
[02:34]	schestowitz__	free food :)
[02:34]	schestowitz__	free bed
[02:34]	schestowitz__	sometimes even free healthcare
[02:34]	schestowitz__	YOU. Are. FREE!
[02:34]	schestowitz__	"Everything is free here!"
[02:34]	vmg3	free thought
[02:34]	schestowitz__	"work liberates"
[02:35]	schestowitz__	slavery is free
[02:35]	schestowitz__	I'm free in exchange for my labour
[02:35]	schestowitz__	I get free time
[02:35]	schestowitz__	when I sleep...
[02:35]	vmg3	here's your token
[02:35]	schestowitz__	[02:34] <vmg3> free thought
[02:35]	schestowitz__	as long as not aloud
[02:36]	schestowitz__	then they say "free speech" is violence
[02:36]	vmg3	yeah, even that gets manipulated
[02:36]	schestowitz__	"too much speech"
[02:36]	schestowitz__	mixing it with threats and plotting to harm,
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[02:36]	schestowitz__	which aren;t speech
[02:36]	schestowitz__	they can be expressed in words
[02:36]	schestowitz__	but aren't a speech
[02:36]	schestowitz__	like saying "war is speech"
[02:37]	schestowitz__	"we express our freedom of expression with artillery"
[02:37]	vmg3	expressing a desire for change can be dangerous
[02:37]	schestowitz__	in china
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[02:37]	schestowitz__	but even here, now...
[02:38]	schestowitz__	real change
[02:38]	schestowitz__	not BS change
[02:38]	schestowitz__	not "limousine 'activists'"
[02:38]	vmg3	the left wing and right wing are part of the same bird they say
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[02:38]	schestowitz__	no, there's the Aussie left
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[02:38]	schestowitz__	they call themselves Green Left
[02:38]	vmg3	left right out
[02:38]	schestowitz__	they're the left
[02:38]	schestowitz__	not labour
[02:39]	vmg3	no they vote with the right
[02:39]	schestowitz__	hmm...
[02:39]	schestowitz__	maybe derailed, too
[02:39]	schestowitz__	or maybe you mean labour
[02:39]	vmg3	can you be an environmentalis and live in the big city?
[02:39]	schestowitz__	[13:04] <techrights-bot> NEWS #CommonDreams #Politics 119 Democrats Join With #GOP to Block Restoration of #VotingRights for Incarcerated People https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/02/119-democrats-join-gop-block-restoration-voting-rights-incarcerated-people
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[02:39]	vmg3	thats where all the greens reside 
[02:39]	schestowitz__	[08:43] <techrights-bot> NEWS #TruthOut Eight Democrats Joined #GOP to Vote Down Sanders's $15 #MinimumWage Amendment https://truthout.org/articles/eight-democrats-joined-gop-to-vote-down-sanderss-15-minimum-wage-amendment/
[02:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Eight Democrats Joined GOP to Vote Down Sanders's $15 Minimum Wage Amendment
[02:39]	schestowitz__	fake left
[02:40]	schestowitz__	"Fake" for Wall Street... 'left' [08:43] <techrights-bot> NEWS #TruthOut Eight Democrats Joined #GOP to Vote Down Sanders's $15 #MinimumWage Amendment https://truthout.org/articles/eight-democrats-joined-gop-to-vote-down-sanderss-15-minimum-wage-amendment/
[02:40]	vmg3	our political system is pretty shit
[02:40]	MinceR	indeed
[02:40]	schestowitz__	vmg3: big cities can limit the harm tgo nature
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[02:40]	schestowitz__	if you scatter millions around the woods, the nature is harmed even more
[02:41]	vmg3	yeah but balance has never been part of human nature
[02:41]	MinceR	humans shouldn't reproduce so much
[02:41]	vmg3	we're extreme
[02:42]	vmg3	even the so called center lurches
[02:42]	schestowitz__	MinceR: say people who make lots of kids
[02:42]	MinceR	i say so and i don't make any kods
[02:42]	MinceR	s/od/id/
[02:43]	schestowitz__	techrights.org/2020/01/26/advocates-of-population-control/
[02:43]	schestowitz__	http:/techrights.org/2020/01/26/advocates-of-population-control/
[02:43]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2020/01/26/advocates-of-population-control/
[02:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Opinion: If You Advocate Population Control and You Are Yourself Doubling in One Single Generation, Then You Might be Hypocritical | Techrights
[02:43]	schestowitz__	stupid firefox
[02:43]	schestowitz__	stripping off the protocols
[02:43]	schestowitz__	funded by Google, acting like Google
[02:43]	schestowitz__	repossessing protocols
[02:44]	vmg3	turn js off in DDG and it wants you to go to surveymonkeydotcom
[02:45]		*jpli (~quassel@2806:106e:24:19b4::1) has joined #techrights
[02:45]	vmg3	no search
[02:45]	schestowitz__	lol
[02:45]	schestowitz__	DDG is a scam
[02:45]	schestowitz__	has been since the very start
[02:46]	schestowitz__	but they spent their earnings lying about it
[02:46]	gry	vmg3: what URL did you visit?
[02:46]	schestowitz__	lots of people, even in the gnu linux, not only fell for but also perpetuated this scam
[02:46]	vmg3	but they have a browser plug to tell you what's safe  OMG
[02:46]	schestowitz__	we have fake privacy
[02:46]	schestowitz__	fake security
[02:47]	schestowitz__	http://techrights.org/2021/01/30/fake-security/
[02:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security is Still a Real Problem, Even in the GNU/Linux (and BSD) Spheres | Techrights
[02:47]	schestowitz__	even fake free
[02:47]	schestowitz__	like 'free' RHEL*
[02:47]	schestowitz__	____
[02:47]	schestowitz__	until you hit the freemium limits
[02:47]	vmg3	gry just went to ddg and it shows in my address bar
[02:47]	schestowitz__	then IBM charges a huge amount per processor, like Microsoft does
[02:47]	gry	vmg3: what url?
[02:48]	schestowitz__	we also have fake activism
[02:48]	schestowitz__	and fake charities
[02:48]	vmg3	just went to ddg and turned off js with no script
[02:48]	schestowitz__	controlled by those who fight both activism and altruism
[02:48]	vmg3	so i gather i already took the survey
[02:49]	vmg3	hmm now it's not doing it
[02:50]	vmg3	it was the main site
[02:50]	vmg3	i removed the privacy plugin
[02:50]	vmg3	maybe that did it
[02:50]	vmg3	from firefox
[02:51]	schestowitz__	"privacy plugin"
[02:51]	schestowitz__	Sounds like design issue
[02:51]	schestowitz__	software that respects your privacy does not need plugins
[02:51]	schestowitz__	just as OS without back doors may not need AV software
[02:51]	vmg3	yeah I never really paid much attention to it
[02:52]	vmg3	books are looking good
[02:52]	schestowitz__	the latter often introduces yet more back doors or security issues (like the firm itself getting crazy access levels)
[02:52]	schestowitz__	people become accustomed to buying things
[02:52]	schestowitz__	like "Security"
[02:52]	schestowitz__	or "privacy"
[02:52]	schestowitz__	you don't need to BUY those things
[02:52]	schestowitz__	but rely on conditions that ensure them
[02:52]	vmg3	wish i got screenshot
[02:53]	schestowitz__	like face-to-face chat
[02:53]	techrights-bot	#Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148549
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[02:54]	vmg3	schestowitz__: like zoom
[02:55]	schestowitz__	ha
[02:55]	schestowitz__	zoom on what?
[02:56]	schestowitz__	zoom(r)
[02:56]	vmg3	face to face
[02:56]	vmg3	bad joke
[02:56]	schestowitz__	with FBI back doors
[02:56]	vmg3	i've got heaps of em
[02:56]	schestowitz__	they change for "privacy"
[02:56]	schestowitz__	and even then it is fake privacy
[02:56]	vmg3	yeah i reinstalled it and it did it again
[02:57]	vmg3	same result
[02:57]	techrights-bot	#AlpineLinux Review: Ultimate Distro for Power Users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148550
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[02:57]	schestowitz__	Ariadne: ^
[02:57]	schestowitz__	just in
[02:57]	schestowitz__	mins ago
[02:57]	schestowitz__	vmg3: maybe wrong choices
[02:58]	schestowitz__	brb coffee
[02:58]	schestowitz__	I want to code some things tonight
[02:58]	vmg3	yeah I'm heading out to get some fresh air
[02:58]	vmg3	o/
[02:59]	MinceR	\o
● Mar 08
[03:01]	vmg3	this is the plugin for ffox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/duckduckgo-for-firefox/ it's when you remove it without js
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[03:03]	schestowitz__	does anyone here know firefox very well?
[03:03]	schestowitz__	I can't figure out how to force it to log in when there's a new session
[03:03]	schestowitz__	to log into something that requires logging in
[03:03]	schestowitz__	without user intervention
[03:03]	vmg3	ugh you need a ff account
[03:04]	schestowitz__	:-o
[03:04]	schestowitz__	account?
[03:04]	schestowitz__	browsers that need account
[03:04]	vmg3	sync passwords etc, I don't advise it like chrome
[03:05]	schestowitz__	'sync'
[03:05]	schestowitz__	means GIVE
[03:05]	cybrNaut	I have a script that supplies my creds and gets a cookie, but I've not taken the time to work out how to format the cookie and hand it off to Firefox
[03:05]	schestowitz__	I don't give my passwords to Google-funded Mozilla
[03:05]	vmg3	it's free
[03:05]	MinceR	loose lyps sync shyps
[03:05]	vmg3	i gotta go
[03:05]	schestowitz__	kk
[03:06]	schestowitz__	I also use netsurf on that pc but not for much
[03:06]	schestowitz__	it's very limited in today's fake 'web'
[03:06]	schestowitz__	with 'webapps
[03:06]	schestowitz__	techrights works ok
[03:06]	schestowitz__	anyway, some sites leave you logged in
[03:07]	schestowitz__	some do not
[03:07]	schestowitz__	https://support.mozilla.org/bm/questions/1269788
[03:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.mozilla.org | Firefox won't stay signed in (I have to login every time I open the browser, and my previous session is lost) - how can I fix this? | Firefox Support Forum | Mozilla Support
[03:08]	schestowitz__	"Firefox uses the Password Manager to store the credentials of the Firefox Sync account (chrome://FirefoxAccounts) to make it possible to connect to Sync each time you start Firefox without the need to enter email and password. If you use the master password then you need to enter the MP every time you start Firefox. If you are asked to login again to Sync then this means that the Sync credential data isn't stored properly in the 
[03:08]	schestowitz__	Password Manager."
[03:08]	schestowitz__	Password Manager.
[03:08]	schestowitz__	who's the manager?
[03:08]	schestowitz__	who's my master?
[03:08]	schestowitz__	Mozilla/Google?
[03:10]	techrights-bot	#mozilla #firefox is increasingly becoming worse than a #surveillance tool disguised as "browser". It's also an #espionage tool looking to harvest passwords etc. Avoid.
[03:11]	schestowitz__	"Attempted each of the remedies above, and Firefox still will not stay signed in. Even if I just close the window, opening it up will demand another sign in, suggesting I sync and install firefox on my phone, though I have done all of these moments ago. What is wrong with Firefox?"
[03:11]	schestowitz__	"What is wrong with Firefox?"
[03:11]	schestowitz__	oh, where to start...
[03:11]	cybrNaut	i stopped using browser's built-in password managers a long time ago.. hard to beleive what i'm hearing (that they now put the credentials in the cloud).  It used to be that only plugins would do that, and built-in pw stores used local storage
[03:11]	cybrNaut	so local storage is no longer an option for FF?
[03:14]	cybrNaut	i'm looking at it now... seems syncing to the cloud is optional
[03:14]	cybrNaut	"about:logins"
[03:15]	cybrNaut	my version is old though
[03:18]	techrights-bot	Since Firefox version 76, #mozilla has had #firefox phone home, by default, with information about what login details you enter. And if you aren't worried about Mozilla #privacy violations, remember they're funded by #google (NSA).
[03:18]	schestowitz__	cybrNaut: sort of
[03:18]	schestowitz__	see above
[03:18]	schestowitz__	Firefox has 'telemetry'
[03:18]	schestowitz__	this one they call "Lockwise"
[03:19]	schestowitz__	and "Monitor"
[03:19]	schestowitz__	they monitor you
[03:19]	schestowitz__	for your own protection, of course!
[03:19]	DaemonFC[m]	Normandy
[03:19]	schestowitz__	NetSurf lacks the JS I need
[03:19]	DaemonFC[m]	They can install things into your browser behind the scenes and change settings.
[03:19]	schestowitz__	So it would not work with what I need
[03:19]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: wordpress became similar to that with autoupdates
[03:19]	schestowitz__	just waiting for the 'gaffe' to happen
[03:20]	schestowitz__	when some "rogue player" will be "done" by that
[03:20]	schestowitz__	like police using robotic explosive on wheel
[03:20]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz__: Browsers need to go back to a major version every several years.
[03:20]	schestowitz__	to 'drone-strike' a suspect
[03:20]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: they go the opposite way
[03:20]	DaemonFC[m]	You don't need new features all the time. This is nuts.
[03:20]	schestowitz__	days ago Google said chrom* would be released every 4 weeks
[03:21]	schestowitz__	instead of 6
[03:21]	schestowitz__	to keep forkers and branchers on their heels
[03:21]	schestowitz__	systemd does the same
[03:21]	DaemonFC[m]	Go fast and break stuff.
[03:21]	schestowitz__	bloated piece of crap vomited out on github every few weeks
[03:21]	schestowitz__	only ibm can keep up
[03:21]	DaemonFC[m]	Yes, Google is clearly not happy with Brave.
[03:22]	DaemonFC[m]	Maybe mjg59 can confirm.
[03:22]	DaemonFC[m]	He was cashing Google paychecks up until a couple of weeks ago.
[03:22]	schestowitz__	now he feels like he can troll
[03:22]	schestowitz__	without liability
[03:22]	schestowitz__	like he never got paid by them
[03:22]	schestowitz__	but anyway, pure troll
[03:22]	schestowitz__	people wrote to me yesterday
[03:23]	schestowitz__	to alert me he was 100% trolling
[03:23]	schestowitz__	and has no purpose here in IRC other than trolling
[03:23]	schestowitz__	THIS CHANNEL IS THE ONLY IRC/FREENODE channel he is in
[03:23]	schestowitz__	just revealing of his agenda
[03:23]	schestowitz__	pure scum of a 'person'
[03:23]	schestowitz__	disposable corporate shill for NSA and Partners
[03:24]	schestowitz__	posers and charlatans posing as 'security' and 'activists'
[03:24]	schestowitz__	while attacking BOTGH
[03:24]	schestowitz__	anyway, back on topic...
[03:24]	mjg59	03:23 < schestowitz__> THIS CHANNEL IS THE ONLY IRC/FREENODE channel he is in
[03:24]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: any way to make Firefox remember session?
[03:24]	mjg59	Literally untrue
[03:24]	schestowitz__	It's hard to use Firefox like this
[03:25]	schestowitz__	I mean, it would never want to keep a session live after closing a session
[03:25]	schestowitz__	or firefox session
[03:25]	schestowitz__	not session per se
[03:25]	schestowitz__	this was not always like that
[03:25]	mjg59	schestowitz__: Why do you keep making demonstrably factually inaccurate claims about me?
[03:25]	schestowitz__	[03:25] [Whois] mjg59 is a user on channels: #techrights
[03:25]	schestowitz__	unless you hide
[03:25]	schestowitz__	anyway, back on topic
[03:26]	schestowitz__	until the troll brings up "FART" or "SEX"
[03:26]	schestowitz__	firefox is really awful
[03:26]	schestowitz__	it got a lot worse
[03:26]	mjg59	schestowitz__: /whois schestowitz__ tells me that you're only on #techrights
[03:26]	schestowitz__	it was even better in version 2.0
[03:26]	schestowitz__	lots of plugins and stuff
[03:26]	schestowitz__	maybe I can find a workaround without closing firefox
[03:27]	schestowitz__	but they castrated their CLI options
[03:27]	schestowitz__	they literally removed options
[03:27]	schestowitz__	must be some "UX" 'guru'
[03:27]	schestowitz__	https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1097453
[03:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.mozilla.org | won't keep me logged in | Firefox Support Forum | Mozilla Support
[03:27]	schestowitz__	maybe other people report the same issue
[03:28]	schestowitz__	https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1227940
[03:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.mozilla.org | browser won't keep me signed in | Firefox Support Forum | Mozilla Support
[03:28]	schestowitz__	all from recent years
[03:28]	schestowitz__	what has mozilla done to firefox?
[03:28]	mjg59	schestowitz__: Freenode's behaviour for user mode +i is to only show you the channels you share with someone else
[03:28]	mjg59	schestowitz__: I'm on other channels on Freenode, but because this is the only one we're both in it's the only one you can see me in from whois
[03:32]	DaemonFC[m]	<schestowitz__ "what has mozilla done to firefox"> Patch it up barely enough to work.
[03:32]	DaemonFC[m]	It's rotting inside.
[03:33]	schestowitz__	yeah
[03:33]	schestowitz__	I followed the suggestions made there
[03:33]	schestowitz__	still did not work
[03:33]	schestowitz__	sometimes along the lines of discarding cookies about login status
[03:33]	DaemonFC[m]	Many sites have major problems. Firefox refused to put a workaround for my bank in.
[03:33]	schestowitz__	:/
[03:33]	DaemonFC[m]	Letting their "evangelism" email go to a dead end.
[03:33]	schestowitz__	we need to get off the web where it is doable (some sites and use cases)
[03:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Something similar happened with Facebook for a while.
[03:34]	DaemonFC[m]	For two years, Facebook Messenger video chats worked if you shimmed the UA as Chrome.
[03:34]	DaemonFC[m]	But Mozilla wouldn't do it, so for two years Facebook refused to let you use it and said get Chrome.
[03:34]	schestowitz__	maybe I will find another workaround
[03:35]	schestowitz__	Chrome lets them spy even more
[03:35]	schestowitz__	at many levels
[03:35]	schestowitz__	even system level
[03:35]	schestowitz__	BTW, in GNOME3...
[03:35]	schestowitz__	Chromium is run would ask for a password
[03:35]	schestowitz__	every time
[03:35]	mjg59	schestowitz__: Are you willing to admit that your claim that this is the only Freenode IRC channel I'm on was factually inaccurate?
[03:35]	schestowitz__	maybe something with session management
[03:35]	schestowitz__	but it's still odd
[03:36]	schestowitz__	mjg59: go full-time trolling elsewhere
[03:36]	schestowitz__	natsec troll
[03:36]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: I didn't know about FB
[03:36]	schestowitz__	I thought no bank can deny FF access, either
[03:36]	schestowitz__	that might happen again in the future
[03:36]	schestowitz__	like in 2005
[03:36]	schestowitz__	or earlier
[03:36]	DaemonFC[m]	They might have just gotten as much sabotage of FOSS out of him as he was good for and moved on.
[03:36]	DaemonFC[m]	Who knows?
[03:36]	schestowitz__	they would not accept Netscape either
[03:37]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: let's stay on topic
[03:37]	DaemonFC[m]	Rebranding it as he finally found his scruples and quit. 
[03:37]	schestowitz__	don't let trolls derail the channel
[03:37]	schestowitz__	About FIrefox, it's totally self-nuking now
[03:37]	mjg59	schestowitz__: If you make demonstrably untrue statements about me, why should people trust things you saw about anyone else?
[03:37]	schestowitz__	and I see people blasting it for censorship now
[03:37]	schestowitz__	they think they can pass themselves off as "ethical" censorship now to gain users
[03:37]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, fuck Firefox.
[03:38]	schestowitz__	It's done
[03:38]	DaemonFC[m]	It's deader than a can of SPAM.
[03:38]	schestowitz__	It's funded by Google
[03:38]	DaemonFC[m]	Time to move to Brave.
[03:38]	schestowitz__	to combat antitrust
[03:38]	schestowitz__	Aral Blakan blasted them for it
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[03:38]	schestowitz__	taking Google bribes and then shilling against DOJ
[03:38]	schestowitz__	to defend their paymaster
[03:38]	schestowitz__	not sure aboyt Brave
[03:38]	DaemonFC[m]	The only point is to say there's some other web engine that people could conceivably use.
[03:38]	schestowitz__	it's spun off Chromium
[03:39]	DaemonFC[m]	When there's no point because all it does is ape Chrome, including its shitty crippled extensions.
[03:39]	schestowitz__	Mozilla has gecko
[03:39]	schestowitz__	but that helps antitrust aspects for Google
[03:40]	schestowitz__	I will check if there's a FIrefox CLI option for closing tabs, but doubt it
[03:40]	schestowitz__	I went through all the options already
[03:40]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, Mozilla has an odd history of only surviving because they're tangentially useful for some big company to get a better deal from Microsoft or to keep antitrust lawsuits at bay.
[03:40]	DaemonFC[m]	They've finally hit a low point because AOL was just handing them cash and letting them build a web browser.
[03:41]	MinceR	it does more than ape chrome now -- it blocks ALSA :>
[03:41]	DaemonFC[m]	Remember AOL telling Microsoft that they wanted settlement money and a free license to use Trident and then when they got it, they spun Mozilla off with a couple million dollars and said good luck?
[03:41]	schestowitz__	  --new-instance     Open new instance, not a new window in running instance.
[03:42]	DaemonFC[m]	I think they used the threat of Gecko to get a ~$450 million settlement from Microsoft and the free IE license.
[03:42]	schestowitz__	Microsoft took their patents later, DaemonFC[m]
[03:42]	DaemonFC[m]	Which, the second part makes no sense.
[03:42]	DaemonFC[m]	Trident is a part of Windows.
[03:42]	DaemonFC[m]	You can embed it just by being a Windows application. No license is needed.
[03:43]	schestowitz__	LOL. "Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To use Firefox, you must first close the existing Firefox process, restart your device, or use a different profile."
[03:43]	schestowitz__	This is what you get when using --new-instance
[03:43]	DaemonFC[m]	There have been browsers besides IE that used Trident. Several added things like ad blockers and tabs to it.
[03:43]	schestowitz__	do they even test their own software?
[03:44]	DaemonFC[m]	I hear KMeleon is still around.
[03:44]	DaemonFC[m]	I used that a lot on my IE-less Windows 98 box.
[03:44]	DaemonFC[m]	Gecko was suitable, but it drew its own interface, which was sluggish and not "native".
[03:44]	schestowitz__	falkon and qupzilla both have more CLI option or more useful options than Moz FF
[03:44]	schestowitz__	I know the latter is just older Falkon
[03:45]	schestowitz__	BTW, re Falkon
[03:45]	schestowitz__	Google would sometimes not load up in it
[03:46]	schestowitz__	they sort of 'rate-limit' it
[03:46]	schestowitz__	but who would file antitrust complaint? KDE?
[03:46]	DaemonFC[m]	I just use DuckDuckGo in Brave.
[03:46]	DaemonFC[m]	It doesn't have a default search engine.
[03:46]	schestowitz__	http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/info.html
[03:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netsurf-browser.org | NetSurf | User Information
[03:46]	schestowitz__	"At present, NetSurf has only primitive and incomplete support for JavaScript, which we disable by default. Without JavaScript, NetSurf is able to provide access to most of sites on the World Wide Web. Some sites, however, will not display correctly or be unworkable due to heavy reliance on this standard."
[03:47]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: DDG is fake privacy
[03:47]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, NetSurf is useless for all but the most basic sites.
[03:47]	schestowitz__	you support charlatans and liars
[03:47]	schestowitz__	there are some searx instances
[03:47]	DaemonFC[m]	They're not as nasty as Google and you don't log into it.
[03:47]	schestowitz__	https://searx.feneas.org has good uptime
[03:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searx.feneas.org | searx
[03:47]	DaemonFC[m]	And it doesn't fuck with you if you use a VPN or Tor.
[03:47]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: they can correlate your cookies
[03:48]	DaemonFC[m]	DuckDuckGo works without Javascript.
[03:48]	Ariadne	[21:42] <DaemonFC[m]> You can embed it just by being a Windows application. No license is needed.
[03:48]	schestowitz__	and IP address, if cookies don't do it (VPN useless in that context)
[03:48]	DaemonFC[m]	Google doesn't.
[03:48]	Ariadne	not on mac os 9 :)
[03:48]	DaemonFC[m]	<Ariadne "not on mac os 9 :)"> There was an IE for Mac, but it was name only. The engine was actually fairly standards compliant for the time.
[03:48]	schestowitz__	check page source of google.com
[03:49]	schestowitz__	good for a laugh, at least...
[03:52]	Ariadne	[21:48] <DaemonFC[m]> <Ariadne "not on mac os 9 :)"> There was an IE for Mac, but it was name only. The engine was actually fairly standards compliant for the time.
[03:52]	Ariadne	yes but AOL needed a license for that engine
[03:52]	Ariadne	AOL was also available on mac :)
[03:55]	DaemonFC[m]	Oh that's right. But didn't they use Gecko on the Mac or something?
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[03:55]	Ariadne	not at first
[03:55]	DaemonFC[m]	I used a beta of AOL for Windows with Gecko.
[03:55]	DaemonFC[m]	They had a client that was ready to go.
[03:56]	Ariadne	i think they switched to gecko for a while
[03:56]	Ariadne	then back to IE
[03:56]	Ariadne	compuserve 2000 was AOL plus gecko 
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[04:01]	schestowitz__	nothing I've attempted it working
[04:01]	schestowitz__	inc. embedding the session ID in the URL
[04:02]	schestowitz__	after a browser restart
[04:03]	techrights-bot	An hour wasted trying to get #mozilla #firefox to act sane again. In vain. To no avail...
[04:04]	techrights-bot	#mozilla #firefox will continue bleeding and losing users... as long as #google finds it useful for #antitrust prevention purposes and maybe some (remaining) Firefox uses directed to Google by default, with address bar as Google #keylogger
[04:05]	techrights-bot	#Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, March 07, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives
[04:06]	techrights-bot	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:07]	techrights-bot	How to get yourself even more tightly controlled by #google #monopoly inside #youtube https://www.maketecheasier.com/get-custom-url-for-youtube-channel/ you should #deletegoogle and control your own stuff, instead...
[04:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Get a Custom URL for Your YouTube Channel - Make Tech Easier
[04:08]	techrights-bot	It's international corporations-pretend-to-care about-women day... while abusing them all (check how many shareholders are female) http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/
[04:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outreachy as Hush Money (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights
[04:10]	techrights-bot	All this "hashtag" 'activism' merely benefit truly racist, imperialistic companies (GAFAM+Twitter) that farm people's brains and end up selling them to those who commit crimes against humanity https://rdnewsnow.com/2021/03/07/international-womens-day-events-going-virtual-for-2021/
[04:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-International Womens Day events going virtual for 2021 | rdnewsnow.com
[04:11]	techrights-bot	Still waiting for International Crimes Against Humanity Awareness Day...
[04:13]	techrights-bot	Linux pee Command Tee Standard Input Into Pipes https://www.putorius.net/linux-pee-command-tee-standard-input-into-pipes.html maybe they will 'cancel' this command, because companies that "KILL(1)" people say it's insensitive (all animals pee by the way)
[04:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.putorius.net | Linux pee Command - Tee Standard Input Into Pipes - Putorius
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[04:18]	techrights-bot	Sad but true. #distrowatch has added #surveillance / #spyware to all pages in order to 'monetise' site visitors. Do not access the site with #javascript available/on.
[04:19]	techrights-bot	"Helping victims of harassment is not an easy thing but it is something that any of us may be called upon to do from time to time. It is an inevitable burden of being in a leadership position." http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/
[04:25]	techrights-bot	Nowadays "innovation" means "moving to the cloud" i.e. outsourcing to #monopolies with #backdoors and pervasive #surveillance at every corner, not for your protection but for #socialcontrol (protecting the biggest abusers from accountability). VC money flows towards such 'innovation'...
[04:26]	techrights-bot	#Review : #ArtixLinux in 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148551 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[04:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: Artix Linux in 2021 | Tux Machines
[04:27]	techrights-bot	#corporateMedia : you cannot trust Web sites online until they have loads and loads of scripts, cookies and ads (like they do). Otherwise, if they don't serve the spying industry, they aren't "credible"...
[04:28]	techrights-bot	"We dont know if #Google intended to exert some influence by withholding the money, if they had general concerns about the organizers or if it was just a blunder" http://techrights.org/2021/03/07/foss-people-trafficking/
[04:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When I Discovered People Trafficking in Free/Open Source Software | Techrights
[04:34]	techrights-bot	#Audiocasts /Shows: Open Source Security Podcast, Linux Action News, and #SMLR http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148552 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[04:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Open Source Security Podcast, Linux Action News, and SMLR | Tux Machines
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[05:05]	techrights-bot	The Banality of #Bribery http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/the-banality-of-bribery/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/the-banality-of-bribery/
[05:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Banality of Bribery | Techrights
[05:25]	techrights-bot	#Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148553 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[05:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[05:26]	techrights-bot	#ZeMarmot Is Working On Searchable Layer Groups, Stored Layer Selection And Other Cool Features For #GIMP http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148554 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[05:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ZeMarmot Is Working On Searchable Layer Groups, Stored Layer Selection And Other Cool Features For GIMP | Tux Machines
[05:26]	techrights-bot	#Waffle 1.7.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148555 #Graphics #Linux #TuxMachines
[05:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Waffle 1.7.0 | Tux Machines
[05:26]	techrights-bot	To understand why institutions defend and sometimes even give awards for the very things they claim to be against one must examine the flow of money (with strings attached to it) http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/the-banality-of-bribery/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/the-banality-of-bribery/
[05:27]	techrights-bot	A lot of political activism turns out to be just corporate #lobbying disguised as "manners"
[05:31]	techrights-bot	I'm told that #duckduckgo has quietly outsourced all of its data to #microsoft (and #nsa #espionage operation), but am checking further to verify...
[05:35]	techrights-bot	#duckDuckGo does not just attack your #privacy but it's also a #keylogger and if you still use it then you're harming yourself http://techrights.org/2020/07/02/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/
[05:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why People Should Never Ever Use DuckDuckGo | Techrights
[05:38]	superkuh	Just use the HTML interface.
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[05:40]	superkuh	http://searxes.eu.org/ redirects to a web interface for an empty git repo.
[05:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-crimeflare/cloudflare-tor: - README.md at master - cloudflare-tor - Codeberg.org
[05:44]	techrights-bot	#qutebrowser spies on you the very moment you launch it, at least on #debian #buster ... but you know those people don't give a damn about #privacy because they develop on #microsoft servers.
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[05:55]	techrights-bot	Moving Away From the World Wide Web is a Wise Move, at Least to the Degree Which is Possible http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/away-from-www/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/away-from-www/
[05:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Moving Away From the World Wide Web is a Wise Move, at Least to the Degree Which is Possible | Techrights
[05:56]	schestowitz__	superkuh: oh
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[08:07]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #Bloomberg #microsoft #racism #xenophobia Microsoft Attack Blamed On China Morphs Into Global Crisis https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-07/hackers-breach-thousands-of-microsoft-customers-around-the-world http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/
[08:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
[08:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights
[08:08]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #ITWire #Windows #ransomware gangs will hit all creatures big and small https://www.itwire.com/security/windows-ransomware-gangs-will-hit-all-creatures-big-and-small.html
[08:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Windows ransomware gangs will hit all creatures big and small
[08:09]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #TheHill #Privacy #Surveillance Tech giants in brewing battle over tracking, ads https://thehill.com/policy/technology/541878-tech-giants-in-brewing-battle-over-tracking-ads #google #espionage
[08:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tech giants in brewing battle over tracking, ads | TheHill
[08:10]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #Salon #Humanitarian #imperialism : How the media exploits liberals' empathy to sell them #war https://www.salon.com/2021/03/07/humanitarian-imperialism-how-the-media-exploits-liberals-empathy-to-sell-them-war_partner/ http://techrights.org/2021/03/06/astroturfing-vs-grassroots/
[08:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Humanitarian imperialism: How the media exploits liberals' empathy to sell them war | Salon.com
[08:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Corporations Do Not Represent Communities and Activists, They Just Exploit Them, Discredit Them, and Hijack Their Hard Work | Techrights
[08:15]	techrights-bot	#IRC Proceedings: Sunday, March 07, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/irc-log-070321/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/irc-log-070321/
[08:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Sunday, March 07, 2021 | Techrights
[08:16]	techrights-bot	More #Webbrowsers finally support the #Geminiprotocol and decentralisation is gaining traction (its even in mainstream European media right about now) http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/away-from-www/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/away-from-www/
[08:19]	techrights-bot	Politicians as bribed moles of the #litigation fanatics and #patent profiteers https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/sen-tillis-sends-letter-to-president-regarding-next-uspto-director.html #corruption #uspto #patents
[08:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Sen. Tillis Sends Letter to President Regarding Next USPTO Director
[08:20]	techrights-bot	"deltapatents have said paper B was very difficult, to the point that even their experienced attorneys and tutors cannot work out what is expected" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-chaotic-start-to-eeqes.html?showComment=1615138213026#c6970804188757360743 see http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/epo-does-not-understand-software/
[08:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | A chaotic start to the eEQEs - The IPKat
[08:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Software Blunders Are Inevitable Outcome of Technically Clueless Management Which Grants Illegal Patents on Software | Techrights
[08:22]	techrights-bot	Selling #hardware as "HEY HI" (junk buzzwords) when what you're actually pushing is mass #surveillance and military-grade #espionage https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/08/edgeturing-ai-video-processing-socionext-sc2000-4k-camera-hailo-8-ai-accelerator/ #listeningDevices
[08:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Edge AI video processing system combines SocioNext SC2000 4K camera SoC with Hailo-8 AI accelerator
[08:24]	techrights-bot	Daily #dilbert https://dilbert.com/strip/2021-03-07
[08:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fired For Social Media - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2021-03-07 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
[08:24]	techrights-bot	#bipartisanship #biden https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/06/us/stimulus-senate-bipartisanship-biden.html
[08:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | After Stimulus Victory in Senate, Reality Sinks in: Bipartisanship Is Dead - The New York Times
[08:24]	techrights-bot	#jitsimeet http://www.mpaoli.net/~michael/tmp/2jitsi
[08:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring.
[08:27]	techrights-bot	Shame on #indiatimes and #nytimes for helping #microsoft #propaganda that is in effect racist #blameshifting http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/
[08:27]	techrights-bot	#boycottGoogle https://lbry.tv/@TheLinuxGamer:f/Google-STILL-won't-fix-the-real-issue-with-online-ads.:e
[08:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lbry.tv | Google's new FEDERATED ad system is still BAD NEWS.
[08:27]	techrights-bot	old: building your own #linux #kernel https://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/How_to_build_and_install_your_own_Linux_kernel
[08:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.linuxquestions.org | How to build and install your own Linux kernel - LQWiki
[08:29]	techrights-bot	#freesw in #india https://www.business-standard.com/article/technology/explained-how-open-source-software-is-powering-india-s-startup-ecosystem-121030700864_1.html #paywall
[08:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.business-standard.com | Explained: How open-source software is powering India's startup ecosystem | Business Standard News
[08:29]	techrights-bot	#cuomo was hailed as a hero just a year ago by #corporateMedia https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/two-more-women-sexual-harassment-cuomo-1137929/
[08:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Two More Women Make Sexual Harassment Claims Against Cuomo - Rolling Stone
[08:38]	CrystalMath	i believe them, Cuomo is a piece of garbage, he must have groped one or two
[08:40]	mjg59	And, again, sexual assault is on topic when it serves a specific end
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[09:43]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | 9 Skillful Struggles Happening Right Now https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/03/07/9-skillful-struggles-happening-right-now
[09:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | 9 Skillful Struggles Happening Right Now
[09:44]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #CommonDreams #bezos Opinion | Why the #Amazon Worker Vote in #Bessemer Means So Much https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/03/07/why-amazon-worker-vote-bessemer-means-so-much
[09:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Why the Amazon Worker Vote in Bessemer Means So Much
[09:44]	techrights-bot	 NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | Remembering W.E.B. Du Bois: A Giant in the Struggle for Black Freedom in the US https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/03/07/remembering-web-du-bois-giant-struggle-black-freedom-us
[09:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Remembering W.E.B. Du Bois: A Giant in the Struggle for Black Freedom in the US
[09:47]	techrights-bot	"Judge Thembekile Malusi of the High Court Eastern Cape Division in Port Elizabeth has found two German nationals guilty of the murder of Claus Schroeder, and fraud" https://www.all4women.co.za/2208204/news/south-african-news/german-couple-guilty-of-murdering-man-over-farmland-after-6-year-trial
[09:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.all4women.co.za | NO TITLE
[09:50]	techrights-bot	#blackmail and #extortion artists #femmewashing to make themselves look ethical https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qty5zgpk7yvd/managing-ip-celebrates-international-womens-day today is a corporate day, hijacking the hard work of campaigners http://techrights.org/2021/03/06/astroturfing-vs-grassroots/
[09:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Managing IP celebrates International Womens Day | Managing Intellectual Property
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[10:14]	techrights-bot	Gemini Capsules and Pages Now Accessible in a Web Browser, Qutebrowser, But #Qutebrowser Has Issues http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/qutebrowser-qute-gemini/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/qutebrowser-qute-gemini/
[10:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gemini Capsules and Pages Now Accessible in a Web Browser, Qutebrowser, But Qutebrowser Has Issues | Techrights
[10:16]	techrights-bot	Cross-Examination of French Judges (Interview Part I: National Introspection) http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/08/cross-examination-of-french-judges-interview-part-i-national-introspection/ #france has a corrupt #patent system and that #corruption has spread to #epo http://techrights.org/2020/03/07/inpi-corruption-scandal/
[10:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Cross-Examination of French Judges (Interview Part I: National Introspection) - Kluwer Patent Blog
[10:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Financial and Legal Corruption Scandal in France (INPI) Implicating the Person Benot Battistelli Put in Charge of the EPOs Finances | Techrights
[10:19]	techrights-bot	Again, as usual from #AstraZeneca shills, no mention of the fact that those #EPO Boards of Appeal lack independence -- a fact they repeatedly complain about http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/second-medical-use-dosage-regieme-claim.html see http://techrights.org/2019/07/18/g-219-eba-epo/
[10:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Second medical use dosage regimen claim successfully traverses both insufficiency and "obvious-to-try" attacks (T 0799/16) - The IPKat
[10:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index: G 2/19 (Enlarged Board of Appeal, EPO) | Techrights
[10:20]	techrights-bot	As noted earlier this morning, its nowadays possible to access #Geminicapsules through a Web browser without any Web proxies; but the (likely) first browser with that capability has numerous big issues http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/qutebrowser-qute-gemini/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/qutebrowser-qute-gemini/
[10:23]	techrights-bot	Don't let companies that call themselves "Open Source" become "Out Source". Many of them nowadays promote #clowncomputing and merely outsource clients' systems to #surveillance companies with #proprietarySoftware GUIs
[10:23]	techrights-bot	#HowTo Self Host #JitsiMeet With Docker [Step by Step Guide] https://linuxhandbook.com/self-host-jitsi-meet/ #LinuxHandbook #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/08/#latest
[10:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhandbook.com | How to Self Host Jitsi Meet With Docker [Step by Step Guide]
[10:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[10:25]	techrights-bot	Racist and sexist #ibm pretends to care for women because today is a corporate stunt day; they hijack activists' causes for PR https://opensource.com/article/21/3/women-in-tech see http://techrights.org/2021/03/06/astroturfing-vs-grassroots/
[10:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-10 articles you should read right now by women in tech | Opensource.com
[10:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Corporations Do Not Represent Communities and Activists, They Just Exploit Them, Discredit Them, and Hijack Their Hard Work | Techrights
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[11:45]	techrights-bot	#Ubuntu Studio review http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148556 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Studio review | Tux Machines
[11:46]	techrights-bot	#freesw tools for #weddingplanning http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148557 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6 open source tools for wedding planning | Tux Machines
[11:46]	techrights-bot	#Kdenlive 20.12.3 is out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148558 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDE
[11:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kdenlive 20.12.3 is out | Tux Machines
[11:47]	techrights-bot	#Lenovo M93 Ultra Small PC Running GNU/Linux Week 1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148559 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo M93 Ultra Small PC Running Linux Week 1 | Tux Machines
[11:52]	techrights-bot	Wife points out that in almost no language there's a word/name for a parent who lost a child. She speaks 5 languages. For loss of spouse we have widow/widower, lost of parents -- orphan. Why nothing for loss of children? "Childless" NOT the same.
● Mar 08
[12:41]	techrights-bot	Real #Feminism is Grassroots, Not a Corporate Ploy (to Improve Image and Sales) http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/corporate-hijack-of-real-feminism/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/corporate-hijack-of-real-feminism/
[12:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Real Feminism is Grassroots, Not a Corporate Ploy (to Improve Image and Sales) | Techrights
[12:42]	techrights-bot	#Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148560 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines
[12:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[13:05]	techrights-bot	The insulting publicity stunt many will be exposed to throughout the day is largely a corporate-led Public Relations charade, painting sexist companies as defenders of women http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/corporate-hijack-of-real-feminism/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/corporate-hijack-of-real-feminism/
[13:07]	techrights-bot	ht>
[13:08]	techrights-bot	Views from the public not even sought because this propaganda site is a front group for patent profiteers, including predators from pharmaceutical companies (or their lawyers)https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qtzdryvpcndj/counsel-reveal-how-pharma-can-benefit-from-patent-arbitration
[13:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Counsel reveal how pharma can benefit from patent arbitration | Managing Intellectual Property
[13:14]	techrights-bot	#Ubuntu Blog: #Security podcast: February https://ubuntu.com//blog/security-podcast-february
[13:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Security podcast: February | Ubuntu
[13:15]	techrights-bot	"The general consensus among experts is that #GNU #Linux is a highly secure OS - arguably the most secure OS by design." https://linuxsecurity.com/features/features/how-secure-is-linux
[13:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxsecurity.com | How Secure Is Linux?.
[13:22]	techrights-bot	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148561 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[13:23]	techrights-bot	#Security : Blaming Microsoft Back Doors/Bug Doors on Others, Ubuntu Security, and GNU/Linux Analysis http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148562 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Blaming Microsoft Back Doors/Bug Doors on Others, Ubuntu Security, and GNU/Linux Analysis | Tux Machines
[13:26]	techrights-bot	#SparkyLinux 2021.03 Release Introduces a #KDE Plasma Edition, #Xfce 4.16 Update, and More Upgrades http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148513#comment-28545
[13:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sparky 2021.03 | Tux Machines
[13:30]	techrights-bot	Say NO to Big Tech deciding Global Governance of #BigTech https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/03/say-no-to-big-tech-deciding-global-governance-of-big-tech/ #microsoft #antitrust #amazon #facebook
[13:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Say NO to Big Tech deciding Global Governance of Big Tech | Stop at Zona-M
[13:43]	techrights-bot	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148563 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[13:43]	techrights-bot	Links 8/3/2021: Waffle 1.7.0 and a Look at the New Pardus (19.5) http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/waffle-1-7-0/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/waffle-1-7-0/
[13:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 8/3/2021: Waffle 1.7.0 and a Look at the New Pardus (19.5) | Techrights
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[13:52]	techrights-bot	#microsoft uses #racism to distract from its own #corruption and in the process may lead to war https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-07/hackers-breach-thousands-of-microsoft-customers-around-the-world see http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/
[13:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
[13:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights
[13:53]	techrights-bot	Sofa gaming Linux distro #GamerOS version 23 is out continuing to fill the gap of SteamOS | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/sofa-gaming-linux-distro-gameros-version-23-is-out-continuing-to-fill-the-gap-of-steamos #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games
[13:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sofa gaming Linux distro GamerOS version 23 is out continuing to fill the gap of SteamOS | GamingOnLinux
[13:54]	techrights-bot	Mario Maker-like platformer #MakerKing has a huge update, lets you make mobs | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/mario-maker-like-platformer-makerking-has-a-huge-update-lets-you-make-mobs #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Jumpa
[13:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mario Maker-like platformer MakerKing has a huge update, lets you make mobs | GamingOnLinux
[13:56]	techrights-bot	Clickbait tabloid keep personifying news about #linux (making it all about a person, which separately they demonise the ad hominem way) https://www.techradar.com/news/linus-torvalds-pushes-out-emergency-linux-update
[13:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds pushes out emergency Linux update | TechRadar
[13:57]	techrights-bot	#Microsoft centric (and connected/paid) tabloids don't want 'boring' headlines like "RC2" so they make it about a person https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/07/linux_5_12_rc2_emergency_swapfile_bug_fix/ see http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/
[13:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Linus Torvalds issues early Linux Kernel update to fix swapfile SNAFU The Register
[13:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | Techrights
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[14:00]	techrights-bot	It's easier to 'cancel' a person (with opinions) than to cancel a project, so... #Tabloids personify #Linux news http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148491#comment-28547 see http://techrights.org/2020/05/25/no-technical-journalism/ and http://techrights.org/2021/01/06/linus-instead-of-linux/
[14:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.12-rc2 | Tux Machines
[14:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Journalism in 2020: Far More Articles About What Computer Linus Torvalds Bought Than About Linux Releases | Techrights
[14:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gossip Mill as News: The Mainstream Media Covers Linus Instead of Linux | Techrights
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[14:09]	techrights-bot	#Server Wars: Why is #Ubuntu Linux the leading choice to replace CentOS for Finserv infrastructure? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148564 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why is Ubuntu Linux the leading choice to replace CentOS for Finserv infrastructure? | Tux Machines
[14:10]	techrights-bot	Applying mailing list patches with 'git b4' https://memcpy.io/applying-mailing-list-patches-with-git-b4.html #git #freesw #kernel #linux
[14:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-memcpy.io | Applying mailing list patches with 'git b4'
[14:13]	XRevan86	https://joindiaspora.com/p/20239044
[14:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Wife points out that in almost no language there's a word/name for ...
[14:13]	XRevan86	Probably because child mortality is not what it used to be.
[14:21]	techrights-bot	Fedora Community Blog: Contribute at the Fedora 34 IoT Edition Test Day https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/contribute-at-the-fedora-34-iot-edition-test-day/ #fedora #ibm #redhat #gnu #linux
[14:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Contribute at the Fedora 34 IoT Edition Test Day Fedora Community Blog
[14:26]	techrights-bot	#Fedora and #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148565 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora and Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:27]	techrights-bot	MIT/GNU Scheme version 11.2 is released http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9954 "This includes a bunch of bug fixes to 11.1, but is otherwise the same. Download from the usual place."
[14:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | MIT/GNU Scheme - News: MIT/GNU Scheme version 11.2 is released [Savannah]
[14:29]	techrights-bot	#intel is finished. Intel is done. Its products are just #defectiveByDesigns https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Interconnects-Side-Chan the real engineers leave/left the company http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
[14:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Researchers Discover Intel CPU Ring Interconnects Vulnerable To Side Channel Attack - Phoronix
[14:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights
[14:33]	techrights-bot	#bezos is a plunderer who lets #imperialism by #surveillance and #blackmail enter bedrooms and act as more than just #listeningDevices https://palant.info/2021/03/08/how-amazon-assistant-lets-amazon-track-your-every-move-on-the-web/
[14:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-palant.info | How Amazon Assistant lets Amazon track your every move on the web | Almost Secure
[14:34]	techrights-bot	#Plots An Open Source Graph Plotting App for #GNOME http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148566 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Plots An Open Source Graph Plotting App for GNOME | Tux Machines
[14:36]	techrights-bot	"So many people have suggested that I try Brave instead of Firefox. So here's my trying it out. Will it earn my undying affection as it has so many others?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkZsf979-4U
[14:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trying Brave Browser. Will it win me over? - YouTube
[14:37]	techrights-bot	"Eich says Brave Search already has a waitlist for its launch in the first half of 2021 and vows not to track or profile users." https://www.maketecheasier.com/brave-browser-will-launch-search-engine/
[14:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | The Brave Browser Will Launch Its Own Search Engine - Make Tech Easier
[14:40]	techrights-bot	ROS Kinetic and Ubuntu 16.04 EOL: how to mitigate the impact https://ubuntu.com//blog/ros-kinetic-and-ubuntu-16-04-eol-how-to-mitigate-the-impact #security #gnu #linux
[14:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ROS Kinetic and Ubuntu 16.04 EOL: how to mitigate the impact | Ubuntu
[14:41]	techrights-bot	#microsoft #azure (failure, has layoffs) is #nsa #prism so any claims of #security go down the drain, it's a marketing farce https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/08/nxp-i-mx-8ulp-cortex-a35-m33-secure-processors-azure-sphere-certification/
[14:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | NXP unveils i.MX 8ULP Cortex-A35/M33 secure processors with optional Azure Sphere certification
[14:44]	techrights-bot	Two spying devices conjoined https://opensource.com/article/21/3/android-raspberry-pi #raspberrySpy http://techrights.org/2021/03/07/raspberry-spy-the-rest/
[14:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cast your Android device with a Raspberry Pi | Opensource.com
[14:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How To Deal With Your Raspberry Spy Part V: All The Rest | Techrights
[14:48]	techrights-bot	Quick Unboxing of my new Thelio Major https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHa5Vp9Ixjk #gnu #linux
[14:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Quick Unboxing of my new Thelio Major - YouTube
[14:50]	techrights-bot	#Haiku activity report - February 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148567 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #beos
[14:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Haiku activity report - February 2021 | Tux Machines
[14:50]	techrights-bot	#Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148568 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:51]	techrights-bot	#OpenSUSE Tumbleweed Might See Micro-Architecture Packages For Better Performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148569 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #suse
[14:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenSUSE Tumbleweed Might See Micro-Architecture Packages For Better Performance | Tux Machines
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[15:01]	techrights-bot	The #WorldWideWeb Has Become Proprietary and the Last Remaining Major Browser That Was (Pre-EME) Free Software Is Rapidly Becoming Useless and User-Hostile (Its Monopoly- and Surveillance-Sponsored) http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/proprietary-www/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/proprietary-www/
[15:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The World Wide Web Has Become Proprietary and the Last Remaining Major Browser That Was (Pre-EME) Free Software Is Rapidly Becoming Useless and User-Hostile (Its Monopoly- and Surveillance-Sponsored) | Techrights
[15:07]	techrights-bot	#Games : #GamerOS , MakerKing, Island Artist, Receiver 2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148570 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: GamerOS, MakerKing, Island Artist, Receiver 2 | Tux Machines
[15:07]	techrights-bot	#Kernel : Git, Intel, AMD and Bugs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148571 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Git, Intel, AMD and Bugs | Tux Machines
[15:07]	techrights-bot	Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148572 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[15:08]	schestowitz__	[14:13] <XRevan86> Probably because child mortality is not what it used to be.
[15:08]	schestowitz__	so what was the word for it hundred of years ago?
[15:09]	XRevan86	schestowitz__: "regular person"
[15:10]	XRevan86	When everyone lost one child or another, the concept loses  specificity .
[15:11]	techrights-bot	Create Your Own #GNU #Linux Installation | Linux.org https://www.linux.org/threads/create-your-own-linux-installation.31338/ #linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/08/#latest
[15:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Create Your Own Linux Installation | Linux.org
[15:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[15:15]	techrights-bot	If the #EuropeanCommission is smart (it's not; it's corrupted by #monopolies and banksters), it'll fund development of #gemini and port what's possible/suitable to it. https://lwn.net/Articles/848659/rss
[15:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NGI POINTER offers funding for internet/web architects [LWN.net]
[15:17]	techrights-bot	Tired of the #raspberrySpy spying for #microsoft ? Try this. Much better, except the #intel (back doors) chips: http://linuxgizmos.com/robotics-kit-runs-ai-code-on-myriad-x-coral-edge-tpu-and-elkhart-lake-gpu/
[15:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Robotics kit runs AI code on Myriad X, Coral Edge TPU, and Elkhart Lake GPU
[15:18]	techrights-bot	"computer runs #Ubuntu 18.04 on a Jetson Xavier NX with GbE with PoE, HDMI, 2x USB 2.0, M.2 B-key for NVMe, and mini-PCIe with SIM."http://linuxgizmos.com/ip67-rated-edge-ai-gateway-runs-linux-on-jetson-xavier-nx/ #gnu #linux
[15:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | IP67-rated edge AI gateway runs Linux on Jetson Xavier NX
[15:18]	MinceR	from the frying pan into the fire
[15:23]	techrights-bot	#Mozilla Performance Blog: Performance Sheriff Newsletter (February 2021) https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2021/03/08/performance-sheriff-newsletter-february-2021/
[15:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Performance Sheriff Newsletter (February 2021) Mozilla Performance
[15:26]	techrights-bot	Use Scheme functional programming language with #LambdaChip Alonzo STM32 board https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/08/use-scheme-functional-programming-language-with-lambdachip-alonzo-stm32-board/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/08/#latest
[15:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Use Scheme functional programming language with LambdaChip Alonzo STM32 board
[15:27]	techrights-bot	#Plasma 5.21 review - Very slick, just one or five oily patches http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148574 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #kde
[15:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Plasma 5.21 review - Very slick, just one or five oily patches | Tux Machines
[15:27]	techrights-bot	#GNULinux on #Devices : Jetson Xavier NX, Fast Sense X Robotics AI Platform, Raspberry Pi, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148573 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux on Devices: Jetson Xavier NX, Fast Sense X Robotics AI Platform, Raspberry Pi, and More | Tux Machines
[15:28]	schestowitz__	MinceR: yup
[15:28]	schestowitz__	intel is the fire
[15:29]	schestowitz__	heating issues
[15:29]	MinceR	:>
[15:39]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/21021447
[15:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5238471)
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[17:06]	MinceR	https://www.oglaf.com/knightsandknaves/
[17:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oglaf.com | Knights and Knaves
[17:11]	techrights-bot	#Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148575 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[17:15]	DaemonFC[m]	Ironically, the flu shot seems to have been more effective against COVID than it was against the flu last year.
[17:15]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201102/get-your-flu-shot-it-might-shield-you-from-severe-covid#1
[17:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webmd.com | Flu Shot May Shield You From Severe COVID
[17:17]	techrights-bot	#surveillance by aggressive #espionage giant #google is not a substitute for work; hacking around it doesn't make that any less self-harming. It's also a moving target. https://www.ravsam.in/blog/turning-a-google-sheet-into-a-rest-api/
[17:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ravsam.in | Turning a Google Sheet into a REST API
[17:17]	superkuh	What? Cringe-worthy.
[17:18]	superkuh	It's pretty simple. People that get vaccinated for flu aren't idiots like 66% of the population is.
[17:18]	superkuh	People that get flu vaccine are far more likely to behave rationally in a pandemic.
[17:18]	superkuh	This is such a simple explanation I'm shocked it's even news.
[17:19]	superkuh	I'm not shocked that it is being misinterpreted.
[17:19]	techrights-bot	#LibreOffice QA/Dev Report: February 2021 https://qa.blog.documentfoundation.org/2021/03/08/qa-dev-report-february-2021/
[17:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qa.blog.documentfoundation.org | QA/Dev Report: February 2021 - LibreOffice QA Blog
[17:21]	techrights-bot	Quick-publishing of poudriere packages https://euroquis.nl//freebsd/2021/03/08/poudriere.html #freebsd #kde #unix #bsd
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[17:24]	schestowitz__	[17:18] <superkuh> People that get flu vaccine are far more likely to behave rationally in a pandemic.
[17:24]	schestowitz__	I was thinking the same
[17:24]	schestowitz__	just walked past a local health centre
[17:24]	schestowitz__	you can tell who's reckless and who's not
[17:24]	schestowitz__	afaik, we never got covid and probably will never get it... and might not get any of the current/existing vaccines, either
[17:25]	schestowitz__	they're a first iteration
[17:25]	superkuh	I will definitely get whatever vaccine first becomes available to me but I'd prefer one of the mRNA ones.
[17:25]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: the pharma pushers have webmb
[17:25]	schestowitz__	they constantly call Mercola "quack"
[17:25]	schestowitz__	becayse many people follow him, esp. in the US
[17:26]	schestowitz__	superkuh: what age group?
[17:26]	schestowitz__	I'm in my 30s, so for me the efficacy/safety is a think to consider. I'm not that desperate or at high risk.
[17:26]	schestowitz__	*thing 
[17:27]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: anyway, let's stop bringing up this subject here
[17:27]	schestowitz__	you move us off topic
[17:27]	schestowitz__	MinceR: crazy cat lady
[17:27]	schestowitz__	makes her life worth living
[17:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Mercola is a quack. He sells products on his site that cause tooth decay.
[17:29]	superkuh	30s.
[17:29]	superkuh	I have been planning for a pandemic since 2006 and I am damn well going to make it through without getting sick.
[17:29]	superkuh	That means a vaccine.
[17:30]	schestowitz__	yup
[17:30]	schestowitz__	same here
[17:30]	schestowitz__	but a good one
[17:30]	schestowitz__	nothing made in a few months
[17:30]	schestowitz__	and tested on millions
[17:30]	superkuh	I'm wary of the adenovirus ones.
[17:30]	superkuh	I understand the mRNA ones fully. They're so simple.
[17:31]	superkuh	I do not worry.
[17:31]	superkuh	This is a huge advance in tech and safety.
[17:35]	techrights-bot	The #WorldWideWeb seems like a lost cause because Web browsers, which nowadays determine what the de facto standards are (same problem as 20 years ago), are monopolistic when it comes fundamentals like rendering engines http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/proprietary-www/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/proprietary-www/
[17:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The World Wide Web Has Become Proprietary and the Last Remaining Major Browser That Was (Pre-EME) Free Software Is Rapidly Becoming Useless and User-Hostile (Its Monopoly- and Surveillance-Sponsored) | Techrights
[17:36]	schestowitz__	superkuh: yes, but for now there is not always choice
[17:36]	schestowitz__	and I wait for independent studies
[17:36]	schestowitz__	not corporations' claims and claims from governments they signed secret deals with,  inc. "non-disparagement"
[17:36]	schestowitz__	Lancet said Sputnik-V is quite effective
[17:37]	DaemonFC[m]	Israel grabbed 100,000 Moderna doses and then didn't even use them.
[17:37]	DaemonFC[m]	Fuckers.
[17:37]	schestowitz__	putting side Gates bribes to Lancet, it's still more truthworthy than governments
[17:37]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: sent abroad I think
[17:37]	schestowitz__	Honduras and stuff
[17:37]	DaemonFC[m]	They could turn the Moderna ones over to the Palestinian Authority if they're just going to sit there.
[17:37]	DaemonFC[m]	But I doubt they will.
[17:37]	schestowitz__	Sanders blasted them for it
[17:37]	schestowitz__	the others did not dare
[17:38]	schestowitz__	because the Crime Minister would dub them "anti-Semites"
[17:38]	schestowitz__	that's all those crooks have left
[17:38]	schestowitz__	using the Holocaust to damn critics 80 years later, no matter the substance of the criticism
[17:38]	schestowitz__	Right-wing maniacs
[17:38]	schestowitz__	doing photo ops with Donald Trump
[17:38]	schestowitz__	anyway, about Lancet
[17:38]	DaemonFC[m]	Yes, you can't criticize us for anything because Holocaust.
[17:38]	schestowitz__	it does seem to show some efficacy
[17:39]	schestowitz__	the Russian vaccine has been out for quite some time
[17:39]	schestowitz__	Western media ridicculed it
[17:39]	DaemonFC[m]	As-if your argument is in favor of bringing the Holocaust back because you want to know 100,000 vaccines didn't go to waste.
[17:39]	schestowitz__	"vaccine nationalism"
[17:40]	techrights-bot	#FakePatents or #SoftwarePatents again. #swpats are doomed. "On motion to dismiss, the district court found the claims directed to the abstract idea" https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/application-directed-technological.html
[17:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Make Sure your Patent Application is "DIRECTED TO" a Specific Technological Solution
[17:41]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/08/politics/supreme-court-free-speech-college-religion-case-chike-uzuegbunam/index.html
[17:41]	techrights-bot	#patents are NOT a "market" and this is a spammy puff piece/ad, not #journalism https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/people-and-business/young-lawyers-on-the-ascent-in-french-patent-market/ JUVE is NOT doing news, it's a #marketing firm http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Juve
[17:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Supreme Court -- over John Roberts' sole dissent -- rules in favor of student in First Amendment case - CNNPolitics
[17:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Young lawyers on the ascent in French patent market - JUVE Patent
[17:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Juve - Techrights
[17:42]	DaemonFC[m]	I probably would have joined the majority here.
[17:42]	DaemonFC[m]	Universities are basically Communist strongholds.
[17:43]	DaemonFC[m]	They push Chinese propaganda and Confucius Institutes (more Chinese corruption) while sanctioning religious people for activities that are protected under the constitution.
[17:44]	techrights-bot	#copyright maximalists are still at it http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/2021-us-copyright-compendium-series-2.html
[17:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | 2021 US Copyright Compendium Series #2: Court Decisions - The IPKat
[17:44]	DaemonFC[m]	They're happy to do it too, even state ones, because they can charge unlimited tuition to rich Chinese (From a Communist state. How does this work?) and fill up all their slots with Chinese students.
[17:44]	DaemonFC[m]	And when you do that, you have to appease their Communist Party.
[17:44]	DaemonFC[m]	So American students get to hear whatever the Chinese government hands an American state university. It's disgusting. Just absolutely revolting.
[17:45]	kingoffrance	its "peace"
[17:46]	DaemonFC[m]	It's up on the list with their other corrupt practices.
[17:46]	DaemonFC[m]	Like stuffing your courses with irrelevant material to force you to squander high interest loan money on stuff that has nothing to do with what you went there to learn.
[17:46]	schestowitz__	universities are not "Communist strongholds."
[17:46]	schestowitz__	wth?
[17:46]	schestowitz__	too much Fox for you?
[17:46]	DaemonFC[m]	Mystery fees. Junk health insurance that's basically fake.
[17:46]	schestowitz__	most of the foreign students here are European
[17:47]	schestowitz__	and in the US I can imagine not many Chinese go there, certainly not now
[17:47]	schestowitz__	anyway, let's get back on topic
[17:47]	schestowitz__	we don't need this xenophobic crap here
[17:47]	schestowitz__	let Microsoft pollute the media with it
[17:47]	schestowitz__	many businesses that used Exchange will move to gnu/linux soon
[17:47]	DaemonFC[m]	Pretty much the only way to get out of it here with the fillings in your fucking teeth, a job, no head full of Communist propaganda, and an actual skill is to go to a trade school.
[17:48]	schestowitz__	they won't get back to what leaked out all their data
[17:48]	schestowitz__	due to Microsoft, not "China"
[17:48]	schestowitz__	bbl
[17:48]	schestowitz__	need to record some EPO stuff
[17:48]	DaemonFC[m]	What's happening now could have been exfiltrated by any nation state that found the same bug in Microsoft's email software.
[17:49]	DaemonFC[m]	There's no telling what bugs are currently unknown (to Microsoft or the US government, which uses it all over the place) that nation states are sitting on. They burn one every now and then for a high value prize and then that gets patched, but it's too late and there are more.
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[17:50]	DaemonFC[m]	Instead of fixing their bugs, Microsoft spends heavily on a PR blitz to paint everything as a "Linux bug" for false equivalence.
[17:50]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, if it's "just as bad", why switch? 
[17:50]	DaemonFC[m]	That's a better investment than fixing bugs in Windows.
[17:51]	DaemonFC[m]	"It'll cost a lot of money to switch to Linux, and when you do it won't be any better. Trust us, and buy all these licenses!".
[17:51]	DaemonFC[m]	"Each time there's an emergency, well fix it when your stealth helicopter engine has already been stolen by the Chinese!"
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[18:01]	psydroid	I hope all of these things will only accelerate Microsoft's death, that's at least one useless company less
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[18:19]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/21022558
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[18:47]	techrights-bot	Literal losers https://i.redd.it/p53d3j1urui61.jpg
[18:47]	schestowitz__	DaemonFC[m]: every bug is either "LINUX" or "computer"
[18:47]	schestowitz__	computer= Windows
[18:48]	schestowitz__	"LINUX" = anything running on a server with linux somewhere as the kernel
[18:48]	schestowitz__	can be some buggy and unpatched (for years) CMS
[18:48]	schestowitz__	"LINUX"
[18:48]	schestowitz__	or something with password "goodmorning1"
[18:48]	schestowitz__	That's also "LINUX"
[18:49]	MinceR	WSL1 is "Linux" without any Linux in it :>
[18:50]	techrights-bot	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148576 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[18:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[18:50]	XRevan86	MinceR: Check this out: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/War_Flag_of_Novorussia.svg
[18:50]	MinceR	:)
[18:50]	MinceR	no stars though
[18:50]	XRevan86	yea
[18:54]	tdemin	https://linuxreviews.org/Signal_Appears_To_Have_Abandoned_Their_AGPL-licensed_Server_Sourcecode
[18:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Signal Appears To Have Abandoned Their AGPL-licensed Server Sourcecode - LinuxReviews
[18:54]	DaemonFC[m]	I plan to migrate my laptop to a Linux distribution. Ubuntu is certified by Lenovo.
[18:54]	DaemonFC[m]	So theoretically anything past the OEM kernel version in Ubuntu LTS should work okay.
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[19:11]	DaemonFC[m]	That means maybe Debian 11 and most likely Fedora 33 will work, moreso with the respin that brings in a newer kernel.
[19:12]	DaemonFC[m]	The Linux 5.12 RC1 is apparently a real nightmare if you use a swap file.
[19:12]	DaemonFC[m]	It can randomly swap out anywhere on that partition, even over files.
[19:12]	DaemonFC[m]	So if you don't have swap as a partition then stay away from it until that's fixed.
[19:13]	MinceR	you're not supposed to run an rc kernel outside testing anyway
[19:14]	schestowitz__	[18:49] <MinceR> WSL1 is "Linux" without any Linux in it :>
[19:14]	schestowitz__	Earlier I saw a "LINUX" site covering WSL
[19:14]	schestowitz__	but...
[19:14]	schestowitz__	to be fair
[19:14]	schestowitz__	those have become rare
[19:14]	schestowitz__	WSL is barely mentioned anymore
[19:14]	schestowitz__	I assume it'll die due to lack of interest
[19:15]	schestowitz__	it's only mentioned a lot when Microsoft throws lots of money at organics puff piece BS
[19:16]	techrights-bot	Signal = #ProprietarySoftware and you should assume back doors (also see #vault7 leaks and endorsement from regime-changing sociopaths) https://linuxreviews.org/Signal_Appears_To_Have_Abandoned_Their_AGPL-licensed_Server_Sourcecode
[19:17]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/21022517
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[19:18]	mjg59	schestowitz__: It's pretty easy to verify what information is provided to the Signal servers by the client. What are you concerned about in the event of a backdoored server?
[19:18]	tdemin	MinceR: Fedora Rawhide uses rc kernels
[19:19]	schestowitz__	it's still going?
[19:19]	schestowitz__	the people who wrote about it in Planet Fedora are gone
[19:19]	MinceR	nobody in their right mind uses fedora
[19:19]	schestowitz__	Fedora is rotting
[19:19]	schestowitz__	and after December hacking by IBM
[19:19]	schestowitz__	hacking as in machete attack
[19:19]	schestowitz__	against CentOS
[19:19]	schestowitz__	the Fedora 'community' is 99% IBM staff
[19:19]	schestowitz__	it's kind of saddening to me
[19:19]	MinceR	it also comes with cancerd, which is unstable, unreliable, insecure, and it will forever stay that way
[19:19]	schestowitz__	they had some good folks ther
[19:19]	schestowitz__	*there
[19:20]	schestowitz__	and some of them got banned
[19:20]	schestowitz__	they welcomed back Daniel Pocock at least
[19:20]	MinceR	wiping your filesystem fits well with cancerd
[19:20]	schestowitz__	he still uses Fedora
[19:20]	schestowitz__	MinceR: so do Ubuntu, Debian...
[19:20]	MinceR	indeed
[19:20]	MinceR	those are even more pointless
[19:20]	schestowitz__	sad
[19:20]	MinceR	since they ape fedora with a lot of extra work
[19:20]	schestowitz__	but...
[19:20]	MinceR	and in the end they're still the same shit
[19:20]	schestowitz__	I think this should not be out #1 concern
[19:20]	schestowitz__	we can deal with systemd as vendor lock-in later
[19:21]	schestowitz__	I see migrations away from Red Hat
[19:21]	schestowitz__	the lock-in is not aggressive enough
[19:21]	MinceR	i'm dealing with moving to some BSD
[19:21]	schestowitz__	they cannot pull it off
[19:21]	schestowitz__	MinceR: OK, fair enough
[19:21]	MinceR	and then i can watch the mafias kill what's left of Linux and GNU without being affected
[19:21]	schestowitz__	figosdev did that too
[19:21]	schestowitz__	MinceR: that's one option
[19:21]	schestowitz__	the world runs on gnu/linux
[19:21]	schestowitz__	and that won't change any time soon
[19:22]	MinceR	the world is thoroughly fucked
[19:22]	schestowitz__	we can navigate it in some direction
[19:22]	MinceR	and people in general didn't care enough to prevent it
[19:22]	schestowitz__	MinceR: let's do what's possible
[19:22]	MinceR	even Linux developers didn't feel the need to fork the kernel to save it
[19:22]	schestowitz__	MinceR: too busy looking after immediate needs
[19:22]	schestowitz__	like paying the mortgage
[19:22]	schestowitz__	food, no covid infection etc.
[19:22]	MinceR	hell, we don't even have enough of a community to maintain a good fixed release GNU/Linux distro anymore
[19:23]	MinceR	slackware isn't releasing and devuan has failed to remove a lot of systemd crap
[19:23]	MinceR	and they both seem to come with some form of logind
[19:23]	schestowitz__	that can change
[19:23]	schestowitz__	when people move away from rhel
[19:23]	MinceR	it can, but it's getting less and less likely to happen
[19:23]	schestowitz__	many corporations want the pie
[19:23]	schestowitz__	or pieces of it
[19:23]	schestowitz__	Google, Microsoft, AMazon...
[19:23]	MinceR	i guess eventually people will realize that systemd/hartmanux is shit, just as they realized that windows is shit
[19:23]	schestowitz__	they even make their own bogus distros
[19:23]	MinceR	and then they'll move to the remaining BSD-s
[19:23]	schestowitz__	and then spam the media with them
[19:24]	MinceR	and then the mafias will try to ruin that one
[19:24]	MinceR	and if the community doesn't learn, they'll succeed
[19:24]	schestowitz__	the movement became bug enough to be coopted
[19:24]	schestowitz__	just like feminism
[19:24]	schestowitz__	not coopted
[19:24]	schestowitz__	by trolls and corporations that employ them
[19:24]	schestowitz__	the feminists are still out there
[19:24]	schestowitz__	the real ones
[19:24]	schestowitz__	not concern-trolling idiots
[19:24]	schestowitz__	same for GNU/Linux
[19:24]	schestowitz__	we're here
[19:24]	schestowitz__	and we're not a company
[19:25]	schestowitz__	we fight on
[19:25]	MinceR	there isn't enough of us to maintain something as bloated as Linux
[19:25]	schestowitz__	true, but
[19:25]	schestowitz__	we might not need Linux
[19:25]	MinceR	or firefox
[19:25]	schestowitz__	we can swap for another kernekl
[19:25]	schestowitz__	Forget www
[19:25]	schestowitz__	it's too bloated
[19:25]	schestowitz__	throw it out
[19:25]	schestowitz__	except for webform stuff
[19:25]	schestowitz__	let them bloat it to death
[19:25]	schestowitz__	Mozgle
[19:25]	schestowitz__	all those spying firms
[19:25]	schestowitz__	they will break it
[19:26]	schestowitz__	people will move elsewhere
[19:26]	schestowitz__	like people abandon Twitter
[19:26]	schestowitz__	deserting it for being not what it was
[19:26]	schestowitz__	not a place for real debates
[19:26]	schestowitz__	but for celebs
[19:26]	schestowitz__	same for linux
[19:26]	schestowitz__	became a monopolists' playground
[19:26]	schestowitz__	LF
[19:26]		*psydroid doesn't want to contribute to or maintain Linux
[19:26]	schestowitz__	we can pull the rug from under their feet
[19:26]	schestowitz__	alpine+ Ariadne are an example
[19:27]	schestowitz__	they use smaller bits
[19:27]	schestowitz__	and it gets the job done
[19:27]	schestowitz__	Linux is not small
[19:27]	schestowitz__	busybox is
[19:27]	schestowitz__	and lots you can do with it
[19:27]	MinceR	can they afford to maintain a kernel fork?
[19:27]	schestowitz__	no
[19:27]	schestowitz__	but they can replace the kernel
[19:27]	MinceR	then they're doomed too
[19:27]	schestowitz__	the kernel itself might be doomed
[19:27]	schestowitz__	windows had many drivers
[19:27]	schestowitz__	now linux has more drivers than Windows
[19:27]	schestowitz__	and windows rots away
[19:28]	schestowitz__	the same can happen to linux
[19:28]	schestowitz__	and to web browsers
[19:28]	schestowitz__	too much stuff int here
[19:28]	MinceR	and they're throwing out those drivers
[19:28]	schestowitz__	that you do not need
[19:28]	schestowitz__	MS Office... same
[19:28]	schestowitz__	people move away to 'webapps'
[19:28]	schestowitz__	with less features
[19:28]	MinceR	iirc they got rid of the floppy driver recently
[19:28]	schestowitz__	yup
[19:28]	schestowitz__	Linux is for monopolies
[19:28]	schestowitz__	not for old hardware
[19:28]	schestowitz__	the goal is money
[19:28]	schestowitz__	not maintaining old machines
[19:28]	schestowitz__	selling more junk
[19:29]	schestowitz__	look at chat 'apps'
[19:29]	schestowitz__	we still use IRC
[19:29]	schestowitz__	we move to gemini
[19:29]	schestowitz__	ipfs is all command line
[19:29]	schestowitz__	unless you fancy GUI like Brave
[19:29]	schestowitz__	and that generally works
[19:29]	schestowitz__	filtering, firewalls, apache, php, text conversions for bulletins
[19:29]	schestowitz__	all CLI
[19:29]	schestowitz__	we're preparing code releases
[19:29]	schestowitz__	about 100 programs
[19:30]	schestowitz__	worked on it this past week
[19:30]	schestowitz__	git command line only
[19:30]	schestowitz__	no gui, no browsers
[19:30]	schestowitz__	git -h
[19:30]	schestowitz__	all you need to get going
[19:35]	Ariadne	[12:27:20] <MinceR> can they afford to maintain a kernel fork?
[19:35]	Ariadne	actually, some people in alpine community are working on a new microkernel to replace linux
[19:36]	MinceR	interesting
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[19:38]	techrights-bot	#Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148577 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines
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[19:39]	liberty_box	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGPqdbMIwbI
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[19:45]	techrights-bot	#microsoft assassinates #linux https://boilingsteam.com/assassins-greed/
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[19:53]	techrights-bot	Server Security Tips Secure Your Server with These Best Practices https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/server-security-tips/ #security tips, not too bad based on a quick reading...
[19:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freecodecamp.org | Server Security Tips Secure Your Server with These Best Practices
[19:54]	techrights-bot	Those tun #gnu #linux by default https://www.suse.com/c/running-edge-artificial-intelligence-k3s-cluster-with-nvidia-jetson-nano-boards-src/
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[19:57]	techrights-bot	#Signal Appears To Have Abandoned Their AGPL-licensed Server Sourcecode http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148578 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #deletegithub
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[19:57]	techrights-bot	#PhotoFiltre Like Image Editor Photoflare 1.6.7 Released with Paint Tool Offsets http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148579 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[20:01]	techrights-bot	#Fedora Magazine: How to use Poetry to manage your #Python projects on Fedora https://fedoramagazine.org/how-to-use-poetry-to-manage-your-python-projects-on-fedora/
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[20:01]	techrights-bot	Use #gImageReader to Extract Text From Images and PDFs on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148580 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[20:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Use gImageReader to Extract Text From Images and PDFs on Linux | Tux Machines
[20:03]	techrights-bot	#PhotoFiltre Like Image Editor Photoflare 1.6.7 Released with Paint Tool Offsets http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148579 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[20:05]	techrights-bot	SPAM destroys the #internet (many are #microsoft #windows botnets as well) https://wingolog.org/archives/2021/03/08/99-spam
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[20:07]	techrights-bot	"In the first days of Android, the main focus was building a more open and flexible mobile operating system. Security was state-of-the-art for the time, inherited from the world of Unix and mainframe computers." https://news.samsung.com/us/understanding-samsung-knox-vault-protecting-data-matters-most/
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[20:08]	techrights-bot	The EPOs #eEQE was a complete and utter disaster; but in an act of overt revisionism (i.e. the usual from this administration) the #EPO pretends everything went well, bar a minor glitch lasing a few minutes http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/utter-disaster-e-eqe-revisionism/ #EQE #patent #corruption gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/utter-disaster-e-e
[20:10]	techrights-bot	New release of French and #debian #gnu #linux -based distro #liveRaizo (12.21.03.04) https://sourceforge.net/projects/live-raizo/
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[20:12]	techrights-bot	"...a volunteer is needed to create the Github Actions workflow" ... No, #deletegithub , #rakulang ... it's #ProprietarySoftware and a monopolistic trap looking to undermine everything but #microsoft https://rakudoweekly.blog/2021/03/08/2021-10-automated-star/
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[20:17]	techrights-bot	Eileen McDermott from #patent #extremism site #watchtroll calls a bunch of corrupt politicians, some of them bribed by patent profiteers and litigation fanatics, a "Bipartisan Group of Senators". This site cannot be taken seriously. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Watchtroll
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[20:21]	techrights-bot	I've just updated http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/utter-disaster-e-eqe-revisionism/ with an important comment (minutes old). #epo will received major blowback over these lies...
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[20:26]	techrights-bot	#NomadBSD 1.4 overview | A persistent live system for your USB flash drive http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148376#comment-28548 #bsd #unix
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[20:32]	techrights-bot	#freesw racer Yorg has a new release with improved #gamepad support | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/foss-racer-yorg-has-a-new-release-with-improved-gamepad-support #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux
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[20:33]	techrights-bot	"Remember the craziness of Goat Simulator? Wanted Raccoon has a familiar theme of animals going wild and it's entering Early Access on March 19 with #GNU #Linux support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/wanted-raccoon-is-an-upcoming-comedy-game-in-the-spirit-of-goat-simulator
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[20:33]	liberty_box	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=736fiBMtADg - Michael
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[20:34]	techrights-bot	Building a Retro Linux Gaming Computer - Part 2: Selecting a Graphics Card https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/building-a-retro-linux-gaming-computer-part-2-selecting-a-graphics-card #games #gnu #linux
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[20:37]	techrights-bot	#techrights has a big, new and exclusive #gnu #linux story coming. It's about #swpats / #patent blackmail.
[20:38]	techrights-bot	US #imperialism "not the only ones who need a secure traffic analysis resistant anonymity network like Tor. UN human rights lawyer Emma Reilly says it is "great" when working with human rights defenders." https://linuxreviews.org/United_Nations_Whisteblower_Says_The_Tor_Anonymity_Network_Is_Great_For_Human_Rights_Work
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[20:42]	techrights-bot	#Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148582 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[20:42]	techrights-bot	10 Best #Compression Tools for GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148583 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[20:43]	techrights-bot	#Games : Assassins Greed, Yorg, Wanted Raccoon and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148584 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[20:46]	techrights-bot	" #Java 16 is scheduled to be released on March 16. Here is a look at what changes you can expect in the release." https://sdtimes.com/java/whats-coming-in-java-16/
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[20:47]	techrights-bot	#mozilla : we USED to be about tech... https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/sophia-keys-apricity-ceramics-woman-owned-online-business/
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[20:50]	techrights-bot	#DistroHopping Doesnt Make Sense Too Me - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yFys_q1Wx8 #Video #GNU #Linux
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[20:50]	techrights-bot	#Intel Already Started Working On Linux Driver Code For Lunar Lake - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Lunar-Lake-e1000e #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux
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[20:53]	techrights-bot	#suse now doing shameless #openwashing of #proprietarySoftware of #sap https://www.suse.com/c/how-open-source-makes-sap-more-manageable/ see http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/novell-suse-sap/
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[20:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE Said It Was Becoming Independent But Instead It Became Like an Asset of SAP (German Microsoft), Which is Hostile Towards Free Software | Techrights
[20:58]	MinceR	apparently this works >> https://gist.github.com/bahamas10/aee4cc121c29e6657a91fc53418356c7
[20:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | Void Linux on Raspberry Pi 4 GitHub
[20:59]	MinceR	(and doesn't rely on raspberry os)
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[21:05]	psydroid	I "almost" got netbsd running on my orange pi last year, but the keyboard didn't work with the pine64 image
[21:05]	techrights-bot	#GNOME 40 Mutter Lands Wayland Presentation-Time Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148581 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[21:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40 Mutter Lands Wayland Presentation-Time Support | Tux Machines
[21:05]	psydroid	and I can't get it installed on any of my x86 machines
[21:08]	MinceR	:(
[21:09]	schestowitz__	ha
[21:09]	schestowitz__	if the rasp doesn't work out for you, try the Orange One
[21:11]	techrights-bot	The #raspberryPi Foundation attack on #privacy is not a new thing. Many people don't remember that when they launched a physical store they rejected cash payments, i.e. they demand to know your ID if you buy the product. Now they send #MICROSOFT a list and location of all users. #raspberrySpy #WashOnCash
[21:12]	techrights-bot	#Tor and #Mozilla / #Firefox http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148585 #GNU #freesw
[21:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tor and Mozilla/Firefox | Tux Machines
[21:13]	techrights-bot	#Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148586
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[21:13]	techrights-bot	#FreeSoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148587 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[21:13]	techrights-bot	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148588 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[21:14]	techrights-bot	Links 8/3/2021: #Java 16 is Coming and More #SoftwarePatents Thrown Out http://techrights.org/2021/03/08/software-patents-thrown-out/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/08/software-patents-thrown-out/
[21:14]	MinceR	there's also a devuan image here, but i haven't tried it yet >> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3209&p=4
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[21:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dev1galaxy.org | Is any work planned for devuan on the raspberry pi 4? (Page 4) / ARM Builds / Dev1 Galaxy Forum
[21:16]	mjg59	There are Debian images that work absolutely fine on the Pi at https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPiImages
[21:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.debian.org | RaspberryPiImages - Debian Wiki
[21:17]	mjg59	The downside is that the 0 and 1 implement the ARMv6 ISA, and Debian don't target that, so performance on that hardware is a little lower
[21:17]	mjg59	The 2, 3 and 4 are all ARMv7, though, and work fine with the Debian armhf packages
[21:19]	MinceR	problem is, debian images come with cancerd
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[21:21]	mjg59	Sure. And you can still replace it with another init system if you want.
[21:21]	psydroid	I'm only going to keep Debian on my two laptops and maybe an ARM SBC
[21:22]	psydroid	I've already wiped it from several of my older systems
[21:27]	MinceR	if i don't mind losing access to a lot of packages in the process
[21:27]	MinceR	and what's the point of deadian if one has no access to packages?
[21:27]	mjg59	The number of packages that have runtime dependencies on systemd is very small
[21:27]	mjg59	There's a number that link to libsystemd, but that doesn't do anything if systemd isn't running
[21:32]	psydroid	indeed
[21:33]	MinceR	until your masters decide to push some malicious code into it
[21:33]	MinceR	which then deadian dutifully updates on the victim's computers
[21:33]	MinceR	not to mention the whole *logind mess
[21:34]	psydroid	opensuse stealthily re-enabled secure boot on my other laptop
[21:34]	psydroid	I only have it installed as a backup, but that was a backhanded move as well
[21:35]	MinceR	backhanded moves are what the "modern" crowd is all about
[21:38]	mjg59	Debian doesn't do significant backports to stable releases
[21:39]	mjg59	So during the lifetime of a release, there's no risk that a dramatically difference libsystemd is going to show up
[21:42]	MinceR	i don't trust them to look carefully at the source code of their favorite library to decide whether the new version is "dramatically different" or not
[21:42]	MinceR	especially not when their masters at ibm can just force them to adopt anything by changing systemd or gnome
[21:43]	mjg59	For the lifetime of a stable release, the only changes that go in are reviewed by multiple people
[21:43]	mjg59	Packages don't end up in stable updates without additional review from the release team
[21:43]	psydroid	neither do I, that's why I get rid of it wherever I can
[21:43]	MinceR	systemd itself was reviewed by multiple people
[21:43]	MinceR	and they decided it was "stable"
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[21:53]	psydroid	the problem was not caused during the past decade but long before, when corporations got involved with the disingenuous message of working on software for the greater good
[21:54]	psydroid	a bait and switch tactic so no one thought of forking GNU and Linux right then and there
[21:54]	psydroid	now it's too late and better to start from scratch
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[22:28]	vmg3	nothing is off limits, does it make sense or am I just being parinoid. how is using the data being used an by who? https://www.techhive.com/article/3610735/google-tv-gets-kids-profiles-and-screen-time-limits.html#tk.rss_all
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[22:36]	vmg3	Maybe I should just embrace the big G and poison all my data, rather than spread it further to more sites and software I don't understand.   So many security implications.
[22:38]	psydroid	just plug into the Gootrix and life will be great
[22:39]	vmg3	limiting exposure 
[22:41]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/21021321
[22:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5235063)
[22:45]	mjg59	vmg3: Accounts flagged as being for children actually have to collect less data than for adults
[22:46]	vmg3	mjg59: It makes sense but...
[22:47]	mjg59	There's a lot of laws that provide additional restrictions
[22:47]	vmg3	like do not track?
[22:47]	mjg59	Honestly not certain of the specifics
[22:48]	vmg3	the harder I try to become private, the further I open myself to risk
[22:48]	vmg3	it seems to me, anyway
[22:49]	vmg3	i was going to loose lastpass but downloading the csv is a huge risk
[22:50]	vmg3	changing browsers that import gives another company my data
[22:50]	vmg3	avoiding US products is painful 
[22:52]	vmg3	even donation process exposes data
[22:53]	vmg3	damned if you do, damned if you don't situation
[22:54]	vmg3	end to end encryption should be trustworthy? 
[22:56]	vmg3	until there's a keylogger
[22:56]	mjg59	Yeah, which is why this argument about the Signal server source code is so pointless
[22:57]	mjg59	From a security perspective, at least - failing to provide updates to a nominal free software project is a pretty dick move
[22:57]	mjg59	But the client code is open, and it's possible to verify what data it's providing
[22:58]	vmg3	yeah
[22:58]	mjg59	Even if the current server source *were* available, you wouldn't be able to prove that that's what's running
[22:58]	mjg59	You have to assume that the server is backdoored whether you have the source or not
[22:58]	MinceR	it doesn't matter, signal was already untrustworthy
[22:59]	vmg3	you're feeding my parinoa 
[22:59]	MinceR	they were trying to force people to only use their official binaries
[22:59]	vmg3	yet I've seen so many claim it's the best
[22:59]	MinceR	many people are wrong, that's business as usual
● Mar 08
[23:00]	vmg3	my head hurts
[23:00]	MinceR	so does mine
[23:00]	vmg3	well just knowing that makes me feel a little better
[23:03]	mjg59	MinceR: It's trivial to determine that their binaries correspond to their source code
[23:03]	mjg59	What's the threat you're worried about
[23:03]	mjg59	?
[23:04]	MinceR	lack of software freedom
[23:05]	MinceR	what if their binaries don't correspond to their source code?
[23:05]	DaemonFC[m]	Mandy is running a fever and has aches and chills from the vaccine.
[23:05]	mjg59	MinceR: Then questions should be asked
[23:05]	DaemonFC[m]	Covered under a three day leave with pay policy at Walmart. No points for calling in.
[23:06]	MinceR	or one could just use free software for secure communication
[23:07]	mjg59	That's a reasonable preference
[23:07]	DaemonFC[m]	For most people side effects last no more than 3 days. I guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to.it.
[23:07]	mjg59	But it's simply wrong to imply that there's no way to verify whether or not they're trustworthy
[23:07]	MinceR	well, it's easy to verify
[23:07]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: "No. The bridge is too heavily guarded.".
[23:07]	DaemonFC[m]	(SG-1)
[23:08]	MinceR	:>
[23:08]	MinceR	they whined about people packaging signal for f-droid
[23:08]	MinceR	their server side is nonfree
[23:08]	MinceR	obviously, they do not respect the users' freedom
[23:09]	MinceR	and nonfree software can't be trusted to be secure
[23:09]	mjg59	Like I said, it's perfectly reasonable to prioritise those things when making a choice
[23:09]	mjg59	But the security aspect of it can be verified to the same extent that any free software can be verified
[23:10]	MinceR	but if you try to fix it and share the fixes with your neighbor, that's supposed to be undesirable, according to them
[23:10]	MinceR	what are they hiding?
[23:11]	MinceR	and you can't verify the server side at all
[23:11]	MinceR	let alone host your own
[23:12]	mjg59	In the hypothetical case that the Signal team are untrustworthy, and they backdoor the server code, why would they put the backdoor in the public code?
[23:12]	mjg59	How would you verify that their server is running what's published?
[23:12]	MinceR	i could host my own instead
[23:13]	MinceR	and what's preventing them from having more than one backdoor?
[23:13]	mjg59	Yeah, but then you wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone not using your instance
[23:13]	vmg3	or running a scraper 
[23:13]	MinceR	or i could just run a service that is distributed
[23:13]	MinceR	like tox or ricochet
[23:13]	mjg59	You could definitely do that
[23:14]	mjg59	But that's an argument in favour of decentralised services rather than against Signal itself
[23:14]	mjg59	But ok, we have a distributed service
[23:14]	mjg59	You want to send a message to someone
[23:15]	mjg59	How do you determine that they're using a legitimate server that hasn't been backdoored?
[23:15]	MinceR	i probably can't, unless i'm running the server
[23:15]	mjg59	Yeah
[23:15]	mjg59	Which means if you want strong security guarantees, the distributed aspect of it doesn't help
[23:16]	mjg59	Because you need everyone you want to talk to to be using your server
[23:16]	MinceR	actually the distributed aspect is exactly what can help
[23:16]	vmg3	If the CISA can't tell?
[23:16]	MinceR	because if there's no centralized server, there's nothing to compromise other than the clients
[23:17]	mjg59	There's an alternative, which is to design the protocol so that the server has no access to the message contents
[23:17]	MinceR	in which case they can still screw with you by shutting down the server
[23:17]	MinceR	and then there you are, having wasted lots of resources on setting up and using a system you can not even use
[23:18]	mjg59	True! That's still a reliability argument rather than a security argument
[23:18]	MinceR	or they can change the server code so it refuses to work with the client you had, and instead forces you to use a client that does let the server access the message contents
[23:18]	MinceR	well, availability is still an aspect of security
[23:19]	mjg59	The client code is released under a free license and you can verify that the provided binary corresponds to it
[23:19]	MinceR	the new client code might not even be released under a free license, or with source code
[23:19]	psydroid	<vmg3 "you're feeding my parinoa "> we'd rather feed your koala
[23:19]	MinceR	what can you do? the server won't work with it and your contacts are waiting for you to "upgrade"
[23:19]	vmg3	lol
[23:20]	MinceR	and your system might automatically do the "upgrade" for you
[23:20]	mjg59	MinceR: You don't think people would object to Signal suddenly passing sensitive material to the server?
[23:22]	MinceR	did people object to their earlier hostile behavior?
[23:22]	mjg59	Some people, yeah. But it didn't alter the amount of data going to the server, so there wasn't a huge amount.
[23:24]	MinceR	so signal users generally don't care about privacy or security or freedom
[23:24]	vmg3	care and belief are differnt things
[23:25]	mjg59	I'd say most don't care about freedom.
[23:26]	mjg59	But nothing Signal has done has changed the privacy or security model that previously existed
[23:26]	MinceR	because it was already broken to begin with
[23:27]	mjg59	From a security or privacy perspective? Not really.
[23:32]	DaemonFC[m]	You mean the famous "It's proprietary so you don't know what it does. Just trust us. It's secure." model?
[23:32]	DaemonFC[m]	mjg59 participated in something like this.
[23:34]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
[23:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United States Coronavirus: 29,739,569 Cases and 538,534 Deaths - Worldometer
[23:35]	DaemonFC[m]	This is the mildest day of COVID in the last 4 months. Lowest numbers for a Monday in over half a year.
[23:35]	DaemonFC[m]	It's the vaccines.
[23:36]	mjg59	DaemonFC[m]: No, all the code that you need to verify that it's secure is under a free license
[23:36]	DaemonFC[m]	The implementation is proprietary and the user can't fix it even if it's seriously broken.
[23:37]	mjg59	That doesn't require you to trust the vendor to determine whether it's secure
[23:39]	vmg3	slip on the golden handcuffs, everything changes.
[23:40]	DaemonFC[m]	It's nice that Walmart anticipated some people getting sick from the vaccine and chose not to hold it against them or make them go without pay.
[23:40]	DaemonFC[m]	My mom doesn't get that guarantee and she's a nurse.
[23:40]	DaemonFC[m]	The second dose is definitely more potent in Mandy's case. He didn't really react to the first one other than a sore arm.
[23:41]	DaemonFC[m]	But it seems manageable here at home over the next couple of days.
[23:41]	MinceR	could just be the immune system being more aggressive this time
[23:41]	MinceR	iirc i read somewhere that this is normal
[23:41]	DaemonFC[m]	I have to drive 3 hours back home after getting my next dose.
[23:42]	DaemonFC[m]	I had side effects the first time, it just wasn't terrible.
[23:42]	DaemonFC[m]	I'm going to get back here as fast as I can before it starts.
[23:42]	DaemonFC[m]	The majority of people seem to be fine the evening of their first dose and it's the next morning that there are symptoms.
[23:45]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: It's just good to know that between the federal government and Walmart, we're safe.
[23:45]	MinceR	lol
[23:45]	DaemonFC[m]	You know, safe from COVID because we took precautions and got to the vaccine.
[23:45]	DaemonFC[m]	Safe from Mandy getting fired because Walmart is making an exception to their sick policy for vaccine side effects.
[23:46]	DaemonFC[m]	Safe from falling into financial harm because I've budgeted well and Walmart will pay him for the time off he needed (not digging into his PTO even!) and President Biden is signing the law that sends $2,800 to help shore up our finances too.
[23:46]	DaemonFC[m]	I doubt that Orban is managing things so well.
[23:47]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: The whole year has felt like one of those Aliens movies where it's moving around the air ducts looking for the next person to kill and lay eggs in.
[23:47]	MinceR	the whole system is collapsing over here
[23:47]	DaemonFC[m]	Only, 42% of the public (Trump's base) don't believe it's in there.
[23:49]	MinceR	there was some sort of plan to call people in for the AZ vaccine via SMS messages, but they sent them to the wrong people and sent the people to the wrong places
[23:50]	MinceR	so they called them back
[23:50]	MinceR	it's a huge mess
[23:51]	DaemonFC[m]	LMAO
[23:51]	DaemonFC[m]	Hey wrong people. Go stand in line in the wrong place for a vaccine that's not there. I'm sure none of you will get COVID from that. Love, Orban.
[23:52]	MinceR	it was there, it was just sometimes 160 km from where the person lived
[23:52]	DaemonFC[m]	That doesn't sound worse than what we have to deal with.
[23:52]	MinceR	and they sometimes got an appointment so that they had no way of getting home from the vaccination place, especially before curfew
[23:52]	DaemonFC[m]	24 total hours of driving to vaccinate two people.
[23:53]	MinceR	and they called in many people who already received their vaccine (both doses)
[23:53]	DaemonFC[m]	Who the hell is voting for these people?
[23:53]	MinceR	idiots
[23:53]	MinceR	though the polite term is "conservatives"
[23:53]	DaemonFC[m]	This is worse than what would have happened even with a second term of Trump.
[23:53]	DaemonFC[m]	You realize that?
[23:53]	MinceR	well, for that particular group of idiots, anyway
[23:54]	MinceR	probably, yeah
[23:54]	MinceR	maybe twitler could have done in his second term what orban did in 2010
[23:54]	MinceR	but that's still 10 years behind of us
[23:55]	MinceR	there was also a phone number you were supposed to call if you knew of errors in their system
[23:55]	MinceR	the gypsy king didn't know it, so he said the fake "doctor" will inform the people of it
[23:56]	MinceR	but the fake "doctor" didn't know it either
[23:56]	MinceR	it took them several days to figure it out and inform the people
[23:56]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: what if Alien was actually the good guy?
[23:57]	CrystalMath	i mean think about it, it's just a creature trying to survive
[23:57]	CrystalMath	it was Ripley that kinda set out to extinct it
[23:58]	CrystalMath	goddamn humans, always trying to drive other species to extinction
[23:58]	MinceR	yeah
[23:59]	CrystalMath	i think there's nothing wrong with Sarbecovirus
[23:59]	CrystalMath	it evolved here... if you don't like it, find your own planet
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