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schestowitz__[23:49] <DaemonFC[m]> The Linux kernel developers themselves should concern everyone.Sep 08 00:00
DaemonFC[m]The push for LTS kernels really comes from companies like Google who want Android vendors to have stable ABIs for proprietary drivers. Since that's not a guarantee in the kernel, LTS kernels effectively make it a guarantee for the life of that series.Sep 08 00:00
schestowitz__BTW, that article where I quoted you on linus and debconf... almost 100k people have read it, maybe more (hard to tell; it's also in the mainstream media today)Sep 08 00:01
DaemonFC[m]I don't see anything wrong with distributions riding on top of an LTS kernel because someone else's business made it necessary.Sep 08 00:01
Ariadnei need to go to the butcher shop before it starts snowing.  bblSep 08 00:01
schestowitz__Minnie the ButcherSep 08 00:02
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: It is? Where?Sep 08 00:02
schestowitz__ 08 00:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A morality cabal of Debian users tried to knife TorvaldsSep 08 00:02
schestowitz__also about 500 comments i can see around the Web, maybe a lot moreSep 08 00:02
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I'm thinking about downgrading back to a feature phone with a GPS program an phone calls.Sep 08 00:02
DaemonFC[m]I don't really use apps too much anyway.Sep 08 00:02
schestowitz__does the hotel have landlines?Sep 08 00:03
schestowitz__so long as you don't have to share dial and handleSep 08 00:03
schestowitz__like communal one... not a good time for those because of coronavirusSep 08 00:03
schestowitz__or use voip on laptopSep 08 00:03
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schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: you can use old phones without simSep 08 00:04
schestowitz__just wifiSep 08 00:04
schestowitz__and put voip on thoseSep 08 00:04
schestowitz__it's like a tablet basicallySep 08 00:05
schestowitz__(better mic though, smaller size)Sep 08 00:05
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: bad time to get a 'phoneSep 08 00:07
schestowitz__even trump's "secret service" gets access to all this dataSep 08 00:08
schestowitz__so they can 'bag' people they perceive to be domestic 'enemy' (of Trump)Sep 08 00:08
schestowitz__if we're to learn anything from corona "emergency powers", it's that all those bits of data they collect can and will be used only against youSep 08 00:08
schestowitz__e.g. to put you in 'home arrest' based on your walking routes aloneSep 08 00:09
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DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz__ "does the hotel have landlines?"> Yeah, for local calls.Sep 08 00:10
DaemonFC[m]You have to jiggle the line to make it work. I think the wall outlet is shorted.Sep 08 00:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I saw a news article today. Illinois is spending $200 million on contact tracing. It was about the Lake County Health Department calling  people and telling them they may have been exposed.Sep 08 00:11
schestowitz__you can make calls from that to cellphonesSep 08 00:11
schestowitz__and to landline, i'm aware fewer people have these those daysSep 08 00:12
DaemonFC[m]I think they probably get that info from people's phones. Like the COVID-1984 spyware that suddenly popped up in Mandy's iPhone firmware.Sep 08 00:12
schestowitz__so the question is, how often do you REALLY need to place a call 'on the go'?Sep 08 00:12
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: "may have been exposed" is uselessSep 08 00:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Not often. I got by with a cheap prepaid phone for years that I just topped up infrequently.Sep 08 00:13
schestowitz__iceland experimented with this contact-tracing BSSep 08 00:13
DaemonFC[m]Didn't even have it turned on most of the time.Sep 08 00:13
schestowitz__and said it was junkSep 08 00:13
schestowitz__worse than useless, then dumped itSep 08 00:13
schestowitz__in the US it's too prevalent now to be of any useSep 08 00:13
DaemonFC[m]They call you up, Roy, and they go "This is the Lake County health department. Do you know why we're calling you today?".Sep 08 00:13
schestowitz__Israel gave secret special powers to spies.... over people's cell dataSep 08 00:13
DaemonFC[m]I told the COVID-19 survey that I would immediately hang up on a contact tracer.Sep 08 00:14
schestowitz__and now it's a COVID hotspotSep 08 00:14
oiaohmcontact tracing in Australia has mostly been manual the application on phones has not done much use.Sep 08 00:14
DaemonFC[m]I'm not alone, either. About 26% told Gallup that.Sep 08 00:14
schestowitz__almost more cases than Canada and Ukraine.... vastly bigger countriesSep 08 00:14
schestowitz__contact tracing can only be used against you... false positives includedSep 08 00:14
DaemonFC[m]It's useless. You have 50 different states in the US and some have motorcycle rallies with no masks that draw 250,000 people. You have people going to church with no masks.Sep 08 00:14
DaemonFC[m]$200 million of contact tracing. Eat my bankrupt ass.Sep 08 00:15
oiaohmLot of people install the Australian contact tracing application then completely disable bluetooth so basically bricking the app from collecting anything.Sep 08 00:15
oiaohmReason why people have been disabling bluetooth is not privacy but to extend phone battery life.Sep 08 00:15
DaemonFC[m]That's $200 million down the drain, and in the middle of this they draw people away from their regular work on Tuberculosis and HIV case management.Sep 08 00:15
DaemonFC[m]Fucking hell. This is nuts.Sep 08 00:15
schestowitz__the name contact tracing is awfulSep 08 00:16
schestowitz__it's like what FB was caught forSep 08 00:16
schestowitz__finding out who met whoSep 08 00:16
schestowitz__and then  suggesting "Friends"Sep 08 00:16
schestowitz__some suspected they even covertly enabled microphones for thatSep 08 00:16
schestowitz__not just cell proximity and maybe BTSep 08 00:16
schestowitz__bluetoothSep 08 00:16
schestowitz__now the state does this "to protect you"Sep 08 00:16
schestowitz__Facebook we might just... was a "test run"Sep 08 00:16
schestowitz__in east germany they did it by handSep 08 00:17
schestowitz__person x is badSep 08 00:17
schestowitz__met ySep 08 00:17
schestowitz__hence y is one degree awaySep 08 00:17
schestowitz__drone strikes do lots of thatSep 08 00:17
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: They have "sources" like every app you use on your phone selling Facebook data about you.Sep 08 00:17
DaemonFC[m]Like Grindr, which even tells them if you told Grindr your HIV status.Sep 08 00:17
schestowitz__casaulty x knew y, hence connected to terror groupSep 08 00:17
DaemonFC[m]Which is why Grindr is "free".Sep 08 00:17
schestowitz__(could be a spouse)Sep 08 00:17
DaemonFC[m]They're getting info from people that wouldn't be legal for your doctor to tell them.Sep 08 00:18
schestowitz__DNASep 08 00:18
schestowitz__look up "dna fbi"Sep 08 00:18
DaemonFC[m]The police are getting information from you that you would never say at a police station.Sep 08 00:18
schestowitz__they buy data people uploadSep 08 00:18
schestowitz__including their relatives'Sep 08 00:18
schestowitz__then they use that to convict people, retroactively, or justify some dodgy conviction Sep 08 00:19
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, justice Hugo Black once said that it is the defendant's right to shut up and make the state prove everything.Sep 08 00:19
schestowitz__contact-tracing = we want more detailed social graphsSep 08 00:19
DaemonFC[m]But you shut up and then they bring in all this shit your phone told them. What you posted on Facebook.Sep 08 00:19
schestowitz__who knows who, which person speaks to who, how long for, what aboutSep 08 00:19
schestowitz__social control tactics... and cash payments traced further as wellSep 08 00:20
DaemonFC[m]It's not doing anything to slow the virus down, at all.Sep 08 00:20
schestowitz__[00:19] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, justice Hugo Black once said that it is the defendant's right to shut up and make the state prove everything.Sep 08 00:20
schestowitz__5th amendment or 4th iircSep 08 00:20
schestowitz__in the past they'd physically torture youSep 08 00:20
schestowitz__not it's psycholgicalSep 08 00:21
schestowitz__plea bargains and stuffSep 08 00:21
schestowitz__life in prison or tell us everything you know, tell the public you've been a "naughty buy/girl" (even if not)Sep 08 00:21
schestowitz__*boySep 08 00:21
schestowitz__it's a form of psychlogical abuseSep 08 00:21
schestowitz__manipulationSep 08 00:21
schestowitz__but with lots of surveillance done they have disproportional forces over individualsSep 08 00:22
schestowitz__I assume all calls are recorded (not necessarily accessed and analysed), unless  they become of interest later or your become PoI (person of interest)Sep 08 00:22
DaemonFC[m]I took a plea bargain because they were threatening me with so much worse if I went to court and lost.Sep 08 00:22
schestowitz__GCHQ around 2006 (IIRC) was revealed to be recording all/most callsSep 08 00:23
kingoffranceyes, right to remain silent is a negative form of freedom of speech;  there is no freedom of speech if ppl make you say things you dont want to saySep 08 00:23
schestowitz__Snowden did not shed enough light on that, his repo came from NSA knowledgebasesSep 08 00:23
oiaohmAlso if you don't have person doing in contact tracing by disable bluetooth you have person with iphones who bluetooth device is not that great 08 00:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Australia's Covidsafe coronavirus tracing app works as few as one in four times for some devices | Health | The GuardianSep 08 00:23
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: 97% of cases end in plea bargainsSep 08 00:23
DaemonFC[m]Remaining silent when the police want you to talk still has value even if you don't go to court.Sep 08 00:23
schestowitz__I read that earlier today, in an interview with Assange's lawyers in the USSep 08 00:23
DaemonFC[m]Theoretically they might have a weaker case that results in a more lenient plea deal.Sep 08 00:24
DaemonFC[m]Even at the least, you won't make any false statements.Sep 08 00:24
schestowitz__short story:Sep 08 00:24
schestowitz__don't get a phoneSep 08 00:24
schestowitz__we've seen enoughSep 08 00:24
schestowitz__use landline, assume it is tappedSep 08 00:24
DaemonFC[m]Which they like to add later if you beat the original charge but said something they can prove is false.Sep 08 00:24
schestowitz__or use something like jitsiSep 08 00:24
schestowitz__that may still not protect you from what people say ABOUT you over lines, social media etc.Sep 08 00:25
DaemonFC[m]My lawyer pulled the police report and I asked him how bad it was.Sep 08 00:25
schestowitz__but second-hand testimonies are weak, not from horse's own mouthSep 08 00:25
DaemonFC[m]He said, "Well, the good news is it's not worse than we thought it was.".Sep 08 00:25
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz__ "but second-hand testimonies are "> Well, if you admitted something like "I yelled at him while waving a knife around." it would go from your ex and his new squeeze who have every reason to want you convicted to get you out of the house.Sep 08 00:26
kingoffranceits also basically not a valid contract if someone makes you sign something or otherwise affirm something under duress; right to remain silent is very important beyond just dealing with cops/courts etc.;   its basic contract law, in essenceSep 08 00:26
DaemonFC[m]To...... "He admitted everything they told us.".Sep 08 00:27
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes facts can be presented in several ways. Reasonable doubt might come up if the only people talking to the police might have an ulterior motive. Sep 08 00:28
DaemonFC[m]It's informally called "Putting the witness on trial.".Sep 08 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Prosecutors don't like those cases.Sep 08 00:28
DaemonFC[m]So if you didn't talk to the police, and his witnesses are flawed....Sep 08 00:28
DaemonFC[m]<kingoffrance "its also basically not a valid c"> One of the questions the judge asks is "Is anyone making you say this under duress?".Sep 08 00:29
DaemonFC[m]Of course they are. They're threatening to throw me in jail and toss the key in the trash,Sep 08 00:29
DaemonFC[m]But you have to play the game.Sep 08 00:29
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: really being silent may not always be best option.   Having the very worse case answer every question with a question can result in the police office giving over information they should not.Sep 08 00:29
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: I was alluding to a different scenarioSep 08 00:30
schestowitz__let me explainSep 08 00:30
schestowitz__people occasionally become targets of witch-huntsSep 08 00:30
schestowitz__then, there's a fishing expedition for anything they may have done wrong/immoral/illegalSep 08 00:30
schestowitz__and it is then that a well-funded power-hungry gov/corp/army can pick up "leads"Sep 08 00:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, throw it all at them and see what sticks.Sep 08 00:31
schestowitz__sometimes in conjunction with discovery or parallel constructionSep 08 00:31
kingoffranceyeah dont disagree DaemonFC[m] i was just trying to emphasize even if it wasnt an amendment, its freedom of speech + needed for other thingsSep 08 00:31
kingoffranceits inherent to many thingsSep 08 00:31
schestowitz__so you want to ensure you don't say much about yourself not just on public record but.... RECORDSep 08 00:31
schestowitz__but that may not prevent others saying thing about you in/on eitherSep 08 00:31
schestowitz__unless you tell them very little about you and your lifeSep 08 00:32
DaemonFC[m]Well, the bankruptcy is public information.Sep 08 00:32
schestowitz__many phonecalls go like, "x told me y did Z"Sep 08 00:32
DaemonFC[m]I turned recap off while accessing my own obviously.Sep 08 00:32
schestowitz__from there it is possible to build all sorts of scenarios and dive deeper, open source intel'Sep 08 00:32
schestowitz__gossip mills are gold minesSep 08 00:32
schestowitz__(e.g. you talking publicly about John's CP)Sep 08 00:33
schestowitz__I reported this to TSASep 08 00:34
schestowitz__They might have even sought a search warrantSep 08 00:34
schestowitz__and we might never knowSep 08 00:34
schestowitz__maybe they just leave me in the dark about the whole thing; other people had already complained about himSep 08 00:34
schestowitz__telling me anything back might compromise the probe by potentially alerting the search's subject Sep 08 00:35
schestowitz__*targetSep 08 00:35
DaemonFC[m]I felt disgusted by it. What I should have done was go to the police about it immediately and tell them where his laptop was.Sep 08 00:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Inkscape 1.0 Gets First Point Release, Here’s What’s New []Sep 08 00:46
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: There's this thing called once bitten, twice shy. You know.Sep 08 00:46
DaemonFC[m]I think a lot of the reason I didn't go to the police was because they've come after me with misdemeanors and were quite mean about it in the past and I just instinctively avoided the possibility of a police encounter that would go wrong.Sep 08 00:47
DaemonFC[m]I'm glad that the bankruptcy finally made my independence from John official. I have no financial ties with him anymore, by court order, and if he screws up on the car payments they just take it away and sue him.Sep 08 00:48
schestowitz__you are better off away from the policeSep 08 00:48
schestowitz__everyone isSep 08 00:48
schestowitz__at all timesSep 08 00:48
schestowitz__I filed the report from the UKSep 08 00:48
schestowitz__maybe they can chain that with other complainants one daySep 08 00:48
DaemonFC[m]Nobody should be afraid to go to the police to report a crime, unfortunately they must be.Sep 08 00:49
schestowitz__but... I did what I needed to doSep 08 00:49
DaemonFC[m]Because the cops are like a rabid dog that could decide to bite anyone.Sep 08 00:49
schestowitz__so it's off my consciousness... no guilt if I reported what I had heardSep 08 00:49
schestowitz__[00:49] <DaemonFC[m]> Because the cops are like a rabid dog that could decide to bite anyone.Sep 08 00:54
schestowitz__they have quotasSep 08 00:54
schestowitz__that's the issueSep 08 00:54
schestowitz__every person is a potential scoreSep 08 00:54
schestowitz__and they can frame or trump up chargesSep 08 00:54
schestowitz__so it's enough reason to not be on their radar, everSep 08 00:54
schestowitz__don't be on their DB, never become a person of interestSep 08 00:54
schestowitz__a potential "hit" -- something to help them inflate numbersSep 08 00:54
DaemonFC[m]I don't trust them, at all. Not one little bit.Sep 08 00:54
schestowitz__if you give them a testimony, you're already on their systemSep 08 00:54
schestowitz__and if the accused looks for revenge, they can look for ways to beat you up, blackmail you etc.Sep 08 00:54
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: So little of what the government does is ever what it claims to be anyway, but the police are absolutely never to be trusted. Sep 08 00:54
schestowitz__I made it clear when I gave eyewitness testimony that I'd refuse to attend court to give any further details. That's the police's jobSep 08 00:54
DaemonFC[m]If you get called into court and don't show up, that's a crime.Sep 08 00:54
schestowitz__they dropped me off in a place other than my home, I could be attacked by friends of the attackers who were still nearby... I was merely a witness of them beating some dude unconscious and IIRC I am also the one who called the copSep 08 00:54
DaemonFC[m]You can be arrested and held in contempt.Sep 08 00:54
schestowitz__[00:52] <DaemonFC[m]> If you get called into court and don't show up, that's a crime.Sep 08 00:54
schestowitz__not if your reasoning is, I don't want to be a target of the thugs whom I called the police onSep 08 00:54
schestowitz__also, if they knock the door for potential testimony and you don't answer the door, you're OKSep 08 00:54
schestowitz__as long as the event had nothing to do with you or your own homeSep 08 00:54
schestowitz__I wrote about all this publiclySep 08 00:54
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: After I went to court to face the guy that pulled the gun on me, I didn't leave my apartment for the next 4 months and then moved to the opposite side of the city.Sep 08 00:54
schestowitz__ 08 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » Why I Believe British Police Serves and Protects Only Itself (and Maybe the Rich/Powerful)Sep 08 00:54
schestowitz__I updated this with one more incident laterSep 08 00:55
DaemonFC[m]The way things work down there is you testify against someone, they might take a plea deal, and then they order someone lower than them to go shoot you.Sep 08 00:55
schestowitz__and I think it's a complete record... they never really solved crimes I reported to themSep 08 00:55
DaemonFC[m]You could be walking one block to the Chinese restaurant 3 months later and some 13 year old pulls a gun and shoots you.Sep 08 00:55
DaemonFC[m]You need to get out of there immediately. Sep 08 00:55
DaemonFC[m]If you can't, don't come out of the house, and if you have to, don't linger anywhere outside.Sep 08 00:56
schestowitz__read up my experiencesSep 08 00:57
schestowitz__I just did quickly, to refresh my memotySep 08 00:57
schestowitz__I think that covers 20+ years in ManchesterSep 08 00:57
DaemonFC[m]The guy was refusing to take a plea deal because normally people don't show up in court. I walked into court and he tugged on his lawyer's jacket and whispered and the lawyer motioned the judge that "against my advice, my client wants to take the prosecutor's offer".Sep 08 00:57
schestowitz__the update alludes to what I think was the earliest encountered, which was more of an encounter with the police horse :-)Sep 08 00:57
schestowitz__*encountered/encounterSep 08 00:57
DaemonFC[m]He figured he'd take his chances and plan on me not showing up, then when I did, he asked for a deal.Sep 08 00:58
schestowitz__it's a good thing those goons rarely carry weapons/firearms hereSep 08 00:58
schestowitz__today we saw PCSOs confronting some man near the water canalSep 08 00:58
schestowitz__they seemed friendly, I think they just don't want dodgy people hanging out in those places where people feel unsafe around themSep 08 00:59
DaemonFC[m]Black people don't cooperate with the police, so half the time the state can't proceed.Sep 08 00:59
schestowitz__we also saw a pack of 4 homeless people probably doing hard drugs and talking trash... hours agoSep 08 00:59
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: who can blame them?Sep 08 00:59
schestowitz__Look at the cops' record and perceived record with blacksSep 08 01:00
schestowitz__If I were black, I'd develop a strong sense of smell for copsSep 08 01:00
schestowitz__brb, work callingSep 08 01:00
DaemonFC[m]The way a plea deal works is when the deal is signed, the judge asks the prosecutor "What would the state have said had this gone to trial.". The prosecutor said, "The defendant held a .40 caliber long slide firearm on Mr. Farmer and said 'Give me everything in your pockets. We're not fucking with you. Give us everything you have or you're dead.".Sep 08 01:01
DaemonFC[m]Another memory I don't want.Sep 08 01:01
DaemonFC[m]It came right back while he was saying it too.Sep 08 01:02
DaemonFC[m]They probably would have all gotten away except that I remembered his face staring right at me and those bright red shoes and bright red jacket. Sep 08 01:03
DaemonFC[m]The other two got away. The ones that were holding me. But he was staring right at me and mugging me with this ridiculous "stand out like a sore thumb" outfit on.Sep 08 01:03
DaemonFC[m]You know, had he been wearing just regular colored clothing he probably wouldn't have stood out when the cops rounded up what had to have been 20 people. But there he was right outside the convenience store and I had him spotted as soon as we pulled up in the police car.Sep 08 01:05
DaemonFC[m]I don't know what it is about black people. They have to be all blinged out.Sep 08 01:05
DaemonFC[m]If they don't have two nickels to rub together, it's all name brand clothes. $200 shoes. All that.Sep 08 01:06
DaemonFC[m]There's some far-right websites I read on Tor along with a lot of other stuff. When I searched "Why are black people so loud?" there was a whole forum topic about it.Sep 08 01:07
DaemonFC[m]One of the replies was "Because they're so primitive that the loudest one usually gets what it wants.".Sep 08 01:07
MinceRwhy are people so loud in general?Sep 08 01:07
DaemonFC[m]I laughed, and then I was like "Well, that's just dumb people in general. They get louder and louder when they lose an argument.".Sep 08 01:08
DaemonFC[m]Oh the guy next door is so obnoxious that I have earplugs all over this house.Sep 08 01:08
DaemonFC[m]I finally found the best kind to wear to block out that shitty noise and I've been sleeping like a baby ever since.Sep 08 01:09
DaemonFC[m]I heard him outside going "You a dumbass hoe. I been working all day!".Sep 08 01:09
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, at least I learned something. He does work, although I can't imagine doing what. Also, his girlfriend is a dumbass hoe.".Sep 08 01:10
DaemonFC[m]"They have the most peculiar terms of endearment.".Sep 08 01:10
schestowitz__[01:07] <MinceR> why are people so loud in general?Sep 08 01:10
schestowitz__extrovertsSep 08 01:10
MinceRewSep 08 01:10
schestowitz__the typos who speak UP on their 'phone' in public transportSep 08 01:10
schestowitz__craving 'audience'Sep 08 01:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: You mean a KEN WINS.Sep 08 01:11
schestowitz__"no, thank you, I don't f*ing care what you say to your mate"Sep 08 01:11
DaemonFC[m] 08 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ken | Breaking Bad Wiki | FandomSep 08 01:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: ^Sep 08 01:11
DaemonFC[m]One of these.Sep 08 01:11
schestowitz__I heard of itSep 08 01:11
schestowitz__but never watch TVSep 08 01:12
DaemonFC[m]A loud obnoxious guy shouting into a bluetooth headset, oblivious to the pain in the ass he is to the world around him.Sep 08 01:13
schestowitz__I keep telling people,Sep 08 01:13
schestowitz__don't speak upSep 08 01:14
schestowitz__the mics are high qualitySep 08 01:14
schestowitz__they can pick up the voice and adjust/calibrate volumeSep 08 01:14
schestowitz__but it's not about what they claim to be "I WANT THEM TO HEAR ME!" (the other person, on the line)Sep 08 01:14
schestowitz__seems like an excuse for, I want an audienceSep 08 01:14
schestowitz__"because my life is so exciting"Sep 08 01:14
schestowitz__They CAN speak up, if they're in a very noisy environmentSep 08 01:15
schestowitz__like factory floorSep 08 01:15
DaemonFC[m]Mandy can sleep just fine with that shithead's shitty music coming through the wall at 3 AM.Sep 08 01:15
schestowitz__because then the DSP will pick their voice over the noise in the backgroundSep 08 01:16
schestowitz__though good DSP (or DAQs?) should be able to discern noise from voice at a hardware level, by default, anyway...Sep 08 01:16
schestowitz__just as they pick feedback loop (voice fed back through speaker phone)Sep 08 01:16
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: I can sleep with music provided i am very tiredSep 08 01:17
DaemonFC[m]Not this crap.Sep 08 01:17
schestowitz__and depending on the music, like nature's noise and monotonous, not like movie with "action" segments"Sep 08 01:17
DaemonFC[m]Black people like bass because it's easier to annoy people with it and draw attention to themselves.Sep 08 01:17
DaemonFC[m]The absolute last thing they want are speakers with a "flat" profile. Sep 08 01:18
schestowitz__that has nothing to do with ethnicity or skin colourSep 08 01:18
schestowitz__though 'urban' music is what you might hear more oftenSep 08 01:18
schestowitz__your country has a heritage of slaverySep 08 01:18
schestowitz__so the US 'underclass' is often descendants of slavesSep 08 01:18
schestowitz__you sound a lot like your parents and you don't realise itSep 08 01:19
DaemonFC[m]Worst idea ever. Of course, the people who brought them here weren't worried about the problems they'd be creating for the rest of time.Sep 08 01:19
schestowitz__trumpismSep 08 01:19
schestowitz__againSep 08 01:19
schestowitz__"brought them here"Sep 08 01:19
schestowitz__as if you insinuate "send them 'back'..."Sep 08 01:19
schestowitz__anyway, I'm done here.Sep 08 01:19
DaemonFC[m]Uh no, he plays to those idiots who wave Confederate flags.Sep 08 01:19
DaemonFC[m]The Confederates are the reason we're dealing with urban crime and rot that will never be solved.Sep 08 01:20
DaemonFC[m]You'd think that a proper racist would hate the Confederacy for that. The idea of waving their flag around everywhere.Sep 08 01:20
XRevan86Amazing, but the Russian underclass is a lot like that, who would've thoughtSep 08 01:20
DaemonFC[m]What, ridiculous music, bling bling, urban areas like a war torn country?Sep 08 01:21
DaemonFC[m]The public transit brings the crime to you.Sep 08 01:22
DaemonFC[m]Why do you think that suburb people lobby to keep buses and trains out?Sep 08 01:22
DaemonFC[m]John was talking about the Nation of Islam idiots out protesting gays, Jews, and white people.Sep 08 01:23
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Yeah, and next to a red line track. It's an auger. It brings all the shit up here.".Sep 08 01:23
DaemonFC[m]You can look at a crime map.Sep 08 01:23
DaemonFC[m]In every neighborhood the red line goes through, crime is high near the stops.Sep 08 01:23
DaemonFC[m]Where do they put the expensive apartments? Next to the tracks.Sep 08 01:24
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Some Arabian-style music  from the streets was helping me sleep yesterday.Sep 08 01:24
XRevan86probably CaucasianSep 08 01:25
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: do people like listening to the train at night?Sep 08 01:25
DaemonFC[m]I'd be more worried about the public masterbators stabbing people with screwdrivers, honestly.Sep 08 01:26
DaemonFC[m]That happened while I lived in Rogers Park.Sep 08 01:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Building Wakanda | VentureBeat - Report DoorSep 08 01:46
schestowitz__"The Black Panther presents a vision of a place called Wakanda, but it has also inspired the idea of building tech in the spirit of Wakanda. On Tuesday, rapper Akon rolled out plans to build what he calls a real-life Wakanda on 2,000 acres of the Senegalese coastline. He first shared his concept of a futuristic, technologically advanced city in 2018 and said it will welcome members of the African diaspora. The Washington Post reportsSep 08 01:46
schestowitz__the project has secured $4 billion of the $6 billion investment necessary to build Akon City."Sep 08 01:46
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XRevan86So, Skolkovo? :)Sep 08 01:47
schestowitz__MinceR: I have a close friend who lives near the oxford road train stationSep 08 01:47
schestowitz__so they hear the screeching of brakesSep 08 01:47
schestowitz__and had to spend a lot of money modifying the windows to tolerate all this overnightSep 08 01:48
schestowitz__the trains also operate at odd timesSep 08 01:48
MinceRsounds horribleSep 08 01:49
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DaemonFC[m]There is a Wauconda, Illinois.Sep 08 01:53
DaemonFC[m]Polaks Sep 08 01:53
DaemonFC[m]All the Polaks you could ever want.Sep 08 01:53
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DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "sounds horrible"> Eventually, you get used to it.Sep 08 01:55
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schestowitz__like chirping of fire alarmsSep 08 01:55
schestowitz__(low on battery)Sep 08 01:55
DaemonFC[m]I can't confirm or deny what I do with smoke detectors.Sep 08 01:58
DaemonFC[m]What do you do? They hit fire alarms to "test" it every month and it goes off like 8 times in 2 hours.Sep 08 01:59
DaemonFC[m]Eventually you might just disconnect  it.Sep 08 01:59
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Are Polyaks bling-blang too?Sep 08 02:01
DaemonFC[m]Not that I can tell. They are very conservative though.Sep 08 02:01
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans have 1 out of 50 seats on the Chicago city council.Sep 08 02:01
DaemonFC[m]It's the Polak/cop district around O'Hare airport.Sep 08 02:01
DaemonFC[m]I think it was like 14 Democrats and 2 Republicans on the Cook County board of commissioners.Sep 08 02:02
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DaemonFC[m]Guy downstairs bought a drone.Sep 08 02:19
DaemonFC[m]Thought someone was down there with power tools.Sep 08 02:19
DaemonFC[m]Gotta do something to amuse yourself these days, I guess.Sep 08 02:19
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schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: I'll start writing some articles shortlySep 08 02:31
schestowitz__going to get third coffee for the nightSep 08 02:31
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: please try to keep offtopicSep 08 02:31
schestowitz__the indecent remarks on races don't help techrightsSep 08 02:31
schestowitz__if you must make those comments, post them elsewhere to cause damage to other forumsSep 08 02:32
schestowitz__(not here)Sep 08 02:32
DaemonFC[m]Ah, right. Sep 08 02:32
DaemonFC[m]I think that their government invites mockery by passing laws making it illegal to accuse Poles of assisting the Holocaust and stuff.Sep 08 02:32
DaemonFC[m]Laws like this have never ended well. The US had the House Un-American Activities Committee for a while, until nobody took it seriously anymore.Sep 08 02:33
DaemonFC[m]The cooperation, a lot of it, was voluntary. When people started seeing others stand up to it by going in there dressed as Santa Claus or a Revolutionary War soldier and blowing chewing gum bubbles and just generally rolling their eyes and not answering their questions, it all fell apart.Sep 08 02:34
DaemonFC[m]The terror that it was able to inflict was only to the extent that people took them seriously. Sep 08 02:35
DaemonFC[m]So I formally accuse the Polish people of assisting the Holocaust. Not because I'm prepared to back that up with anything, but just because their law doesn't apply to me and invites contempt. Sep 08 02:36
DaemonFC[m]It's not possible to legislate away behavior, or substances, or thoughts. Sep 08 02:37
DaemonFC[m]The government can come up with punishments if it catches you, but people always defy it anyway, some because they're just not smart.Sep 08 02:38
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DaemonFC[m]The criminal mind doesn't consider punishment the same way normal people do, so it's debatable whether locking people up has any effect beyond the temporary removal of their presence in society.Sep 08 02:38
DaemonFC[m]So, that's what's going on in this country.Sep 08 02:39
DaemonFC[m]There are more criminals than the government could ever lock up at once.Sep 08 02:39
DaemonFC[m]So no matter how many are locked up at once, there's more. There's more rapists, more murderers, more drug dealers, more rioters, looters, and everything else.Sep 08 02:39
DaemonFC[m]I'd say that the state is on the verge of collapse and nobody really appreciates how close we are to that.Sep 08 02:40
DaemonFC[m]The mass media will never admit it until it's already over. Sep 08 02:40
DaemonFC[m]The US government was planning  on the Soviet Union being around indefinitely. The collapse caught US intelligence completely off guard.Sep 08 02:41
DaemonFC[m]There was apparently some Russian professor that saw the US breaking  up into like 6 countries.Sep 08 02:42
DaemonFC[m]I don't think it'll happen. I mean there will be something calling itself the United States for a while.Sep 08 02:42
schestowitz__Torvalds has responded to our articleSep 08 02:43
schestowitz__ 08 02:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Since when are six-year-old comments by Torvalds newsworthy?Sep 08 02:44
schestowitz__"Honestly, I think those emails are more about Debian culture than they are about me, and you should probably ask the Debian people about them rather than me," was Torvalds' responseSep 08 02:44
schestowitz__I had to look up 08 02:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Honorific - WikipediaSep 08 02:45
schestowitz__first time I see this termSep 08 02:45
schestowitz__maybe common in AustraliaSep 08 02:45
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Prophecies of the US falling apart right about now or the dollar failing in the next few years go around Russia since the 90s.Sep 08 02:45
schestowitz__"I would have liked to elicit a comment from the good doctor too, but he seems to be stuck in the era of IRC. However if he does respond — he has my email address — I will certainly give his opinion an airing."Sep 08 02:45
schestowitz__This is nonsenseSep 08 02:45
schestowitz__I also can use email and social control mediaSep 08 02:45
schestowitz__he pretends I only ever avail myself over ircSep 08 02:45
schestowitz__which is untrueSep 08 02:45
schestowitz__and relaying on a public old standardSep 08 02:46
schestowitz__like ircSep 08 02:46
schestowitz__isn't a negativrSep 08 02:46
schestowitz__I first used irc when i was about 13Sep 08 02:46
schestowitz__and it still worksSep 08 02:46
schestowitz__very cross-platformSep 08 02:46
schestowitz__and reliableSep 08 02:46
schestowitz__unlike proprietary bloatSep 08 02:46
schestowitz__anyway, no point replying to thisSep 08 02:46
schestowitz__he's close to the DPLsSep 08 02:46
schestowitz__as his past articles/interviews showSep 08 02:46
schestowitz__so has an ax to grindSep 08 02:46
schestowitz__cannot leave anonymous comments, eitherSep 08 02:48
schestowitz__he links to techrights in 2 places and my own site in 1Sep 08 02:49
schestowitz__with broken links in all 3Sep 08 02:49
schestowitz__using httpdSep 08 02:49
schestowitz__httpsSep 08 02:49
schestowitz__which obviously isn't enabledSep 08 02:49
schestowitz__I wonder if this was intentionalSep 08 02:50
schestowitz__which would he put in URLs that do not work?Sep 08 02:50
schestowitz__I will email him...Sep 08 02:50
schestowitz__will then paste hereSep 08 02:51
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: People promoted Slack for a while and then it fizzled out.Sep 08 02:53
DaemonFC[m]That's what happens with centralization.Sep 08 02:55
DaemonFC[m]You can't tear down IRC because it's not a secret how it works.Sep 08 02:55
DaemonFC[m]People don't even think about IRC anymore. If you go on probation they want to know about Facebook or Twitter.Sep 08 02:57
DaemonFC[m]Be where they aren't. They want to know about the platforms that "everyone uses" that always cooperate if they ask for data.Sep 08 02:58
DaemonFC[m]It's very much a 90/10 problem here with law enforcement, schestowitz__ Sep 08 03:00
DaemonFC[m]They can catch 90% of the people they want with 10% the effort by concentrating on like 5 or 6 tech companies.Sep 08 03:00
DaemonFC[m]Slack could have turned into that. We should be glad it went out of style quickly.Sep 08 03:01
schestowitz__ok, doneSep 08 03:14
schestowitz__Re: "I would have liked to elicit a comment from the good doctor too, but he seems to be stuck in the era of IRC. However if he does respond — he has my email address — I will certainly give his opinion an airing."Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__Hi, Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__Good morning... (Australia time)Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__I cannot find Sam's current E-mail address (only the above one, which might have expired already). I spent some time searching online to no avail. I could try guessing the E-mail address, but would rather not make guesses.Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__Please pass my regards to Sam; he has been doing good work and I wish the RSS feeds of the site worked as well as they used to. Because I'm trying to subscribe to what I can.Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__This isn't a rant, for I respect freedom of the press, even if Sam disagrees with me in this case.Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__I want to clarify that I also use email and social control media (Twitter, Mastodon etc.), so reaching me is really simple. And yes, I still use IRC and am always relying on a public old standards; this isn't a negative as I first used IRC when i was about 13 and it still works, it is very cross-platform and highly reliable unlike proprietary bloat (e.g. Slack). Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__Nitpicking aside,  the point replying to this is (I cannot leave a comment in the site and  anonymous/guest comments aren't possible, either) is amicable clarification:Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__1. The article links to techrights in 2 places and my own site in 1 place, albeit with broken links in all 3 (using https, which obviously isn't enabled). I wonder if this was intentional or perhaps the CMS (Joomla, I believe) doing protocol conversion automatically.Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__2. I think the reply from Linus speaks for itself. I myself am a Debian user (my wife is also) and have nothing against its community. To better understand the disclosure of these E-mail one needs to read the past articles we did about Debian (in recent weeks). We explain repeatedly why those older E-mails are being divulged. I made it quite clear, both in my post (and later in the comments) that those aren't new but newly-disclosed.Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__We published over 8,000 debian-private emails from the 1990s last Saturday). For the first time!Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__3. Amusingly I wrote about how people nitpick on articles when the message is not convenient just 24 hours ago:Sep 08 03:14
schestowitz__ 08 03:15
schestowitz__First in this list: “It’s old news”Sep 08 03:15
schestowitz__The "opportunist [who] has reproduced Dr Schestowitz's post" isn't my fault; I don't know this person. I also don't control how it's presented and what comments may say. We keep things polite and professional under our watch, albeit Internet trolls may flame and make it appear as though provocation was the goal. It wasn't. We did many articles about Torvalds lately. We wrote about 1000 articles during June to present. We go deep intoSep 08 03:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Spot Diversion Tactics (Excuses and Distractions From Articles Not Convenient to the Reader) | TechrightsSep 08 03:15
schestowitz__issues, leaks being of use as evidence difficult enough to dispute.Sep 08 03:15
schestowitz__Slashdot is a site we dislike (see ) and would rather not be judged by how it presents us. The people who run the site are not trustworthy and have not been trustworthy for over a decade.Sep 08 03:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Slashdot - TechrightsSep 08 03:15
schestowitz__Thanks again, Sam (and Andrew), for good journalism. If you can integrate any of the above into the article, it would be greatly appreciated.Sep 08 03:15
schestowitz__Regards,Sep 08 03:15
schestowitz__RoySep 08 03:15
schestowitz__Re FSF President:Sep 08 03:16
schestowitz__>     But was he treasurer by choice?Sep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> Sep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> Sep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> Little text-based venn diagram:Sep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> Sep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> /[ stuff that matters to us/ *[* ? /]/ *stuff treasurers do ]*Sep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> Sep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> IMO it doesn't matter if he was treasurer by choice, only if he didSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> anything as treasurer that was related to our complaints.Sep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> Sep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> We (I at least) don't know, so it's mostly irrelevant. Mostly. The factSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> that he was treasurer (by choice or otherwise) is slightly relevantSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> because the likelihood that he had something to do with the corruptionSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> goes up. But that's assuming anything went through him-- we don't knowSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> that, and it's quite possible it didn't. But you would still think thatSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> the treasurer was more likely to be privy to such a thing. TheSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> possibility that it had nothing to do with him is real, so it isn't fairSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> to rule out the possibility without a good amount of information. ItSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> would be just as fair upon his taking the job to say "What corruptionSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> are you planning to be part of?" "Beg your pardon?" "Well, you areSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> applying for position as treasurer, right?" "Yes, but..." It's aSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> position that deserves extra scrutiny, but it is certainly isn't proofSep 08 03:16
schestowitz__> of anything at all.Sep 08 03:16
schestowitz__will cc the DPL as wellSep 08 03:18
schestowitz__Hi Mr. Carter,Sep 08 03:19
schestowitz__I don't want this email to feel like it was 'done behind someone's back' or  whatever. It's important to clarify my position on this. (below)Sep 08 03:19
schestowitz__Kind regards,Sep 08 03:19
schestowitz__RoySep 08 03:19
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schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: does this read ok? 08 03:30
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Sep 08 03:34
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schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: I have a longer one nowSep 08 04:01
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schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: can you quickly read ?Sep 08 04:06
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schestowitz__I do too at the momentSep 08 04:06
schestowitz__first passSep 08 04:06
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DaemonFC[m]Looks good.Sep 08 05:41
DaemonFC[m]Sorry, was eating dinner.Sep 08 05:41
schestowitz__I have another Sep 08 05:42
schestowitz__better oneSep 08 05:42
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schestowitz__Torvalds was reading your remarksSep 08 05:42
schestowitz__about Fedora and allSep 08 05:42
DaemonFC[m]I did not expect that.Sep 08 05:44
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: 08 05:44
schestowitz__quickSep 08 05:44
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DaemonFC[m]"what truly troubled about"Sep 08 05:49
DaemonFC[m]truly troubled me?Sep 08 05:49
schestowitz__yeahSep 08 05:49
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Speaking of out of line and having commit access revoked, that's what happened with Matthew Dillon.Sep 08 05:51
DaemonFC[m]He didn't agree with how SMP support would be added to FreeBSD, so he just committed his idea of how it should work without asking  anyone.Sep 08 05:52
DaemonFC[m]They gave him the boot and he went off and did DragonflyBSD.Sep 08 05:52
DaemonFC[m]That's one of the problems that git avoids.Sep 08 05:52
DaemonFC[m]If you have an idea, you can fork it and add a feature and prove that it works without disturbing the main branch.Sep 08 05:53
schestowitz__not that twitter "followers" are a yardstick of much meaning, BUT...Sep 08 05:59
schestowitz__Seems like itwire has fewer than me, a mere individualSep 08 05:59
schestowitz__which I found funnySep 08 05:59
schestowitz__and they barely ever get even a "like" thereSep 08 05:59
schestowitz__so many of their followers might be dronesSep 08 05:59
schestowitz__I see no comments on their article about me, 5 hours laterSep 08 05:59
schestowitz__and they have not yet responded to my email, which I copied to the editor tooSep 08 06:00
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: he made hammer2 iircSep 08 06:00
schestowitz__and the rest of the distroSep 08 06:00
DaemonFC[m]hammer and hammer2, yeahSep 08 06:01
Ariadnedebian-private is one of the main reasons alpine is a thingSep 08 06:03
schestowitz__it is a misguided concept, imhoSep 08 06:03
Ariadneif you didn't figure it out by now, -private is just a mailing list where certain cliques talk shitSep 08 06:03
schestowitz__perens joked it's used to make fun of peopleSep 08 06:03
schestowitz__without them seeing itSep 08 06:03
Ariadneit isSep 08 06:03
schestowitz__very bad ideaSep 08 06:03
schestowitz__we always published irc logs, rigth from the startSep 08 06:03
schestowitz__I included even emails in them, with some named and stuff redacted where neededSep 08 06:04
DaemonFC[m]Would Alpine run on my laptop, does it have KDE?Sep 08 06:04
Ariadnei'm using kde right nowSep 08 06:04
schestowitz__start=2008 (when we started using IRC)Sep 08 06:04
*schestowitz__ uses kde right nowSep 08 06:04
schestowitz__(rianne also)Sep 08 06:05
schestowitz__she wants to use gnome tomorrowSep 08 06:05
schestowitz__used xfce, unity, kde lxde, etc. but never gnome3Sep 08 06:05
DaemonFC[m]I used GNOME for a long time because the KDE Plasma 5 series just struck me as the early days of 4 all over again.Sep 08 06:05
schestowitz__rianne_ thinks gnome is massively bloatedSep 08 06:06
schestowitz__based on something she read somewhereSep 08 06:06
Ariadneas for your laptop, idk what kind of laptop you haveSep 08 06:06
DaemonFC[m]These major Qt version bumps always cause a big mess that takes years to sort out.Sep 08 06:06
schestowitz__I told her it's no more bloated than kdeSep 08 06:06
schestowitz__she had 4gb of ramSep 08 06:06
Ariadneas long as it does not require binary blob drivers it should not be a problemSep 08 06:06
DaemonFC[m]GNOME seems to use more RAM than KDE.Sep 08 06:06
DaemonFC[m]If it matters, it'll matter on a system with less than 8 GB.Sep 08 06:06
schestowitz__I hate about gnome how it handles windows focus shiftSep 08 06:06
schestowitz__it's like I have to press a window twice and wait one second just to be sure my keyboard input goes into the right placeSep 08 06:07
DaemonFC[m]A lot of GNOME can't be configured properly no matter what you do, but the worst WTF stuff is in the Tweaks tool.Sep 08 06:07
DaemonFC[m]It does not have sane defaults.Sep 08 06:07
schestowitz__I used to blame the hardware (arms with no gpu), but maybe it's a universal problem with gnome itself)Sep 08 06:07
Ariadnealpine can only use free drivers, as there is no binary blob drivers for itSep 08 06:08
DaemonFC[m]24 hour clock by default is weird, at least in the US.Sep 08 06:08
schestowitz__you call it military timeSep 08 06:08
DaemonFC[m]Not having a dock or a taskbar by default, and maximize and minimize buttons is weird. Sep 08 06:08
Ariadnehmm i think plasma uses military timeSep 08 06:08
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: lol what do you call metric? ballistic measures?Sep 08 06:08
DaemonFC[m]No.Sep 08 06:09
DaemonFC[m]I just don't really think in metric terms.Sep 08 06:09
schestowitz__how do you even do basic physics with imperial units?Sep 08 06:09
DaemonFC[m]It gets taught in school but it's one of those "Do you remember that? No. I don't either." things.Sep 08 06:09
Ariadneschestowitz__: science is done in metricSep 08 06:09
DaemonFC[m]Not always.Sep 08 06:09
DaemonFC[m]NASA and JPL managed to crash a probe into Mars because one used one system and the other used the other system.Sep 08 06:10
Ariadne:DSep 08 06:10
DaemonFC[m]I hear a fist fight broke out in the hallway.Sep 08 06:10
schestowitz__Ariadne: science is not done in other countriessSep 08 06:10
schestowitz__*nowSep 08 06:10
AriadnetoucheSep 08 06:10
schestowitz__because science is an evil liberal plotSep 08 06:10
Ariadneyes, hince my relocation to NLSep 08 06:11
schestowitz__to shame the white victimsSep 08 06:11
schestowitz__[06:10] <DaemonFC[m]> NASA and JPL managed to crash a probe into Mars because one used one system and the other used the other system.Sep 08 06:11
schestowitz__That became a famous storySep 08 06:11
DaemonFC[m]There's one US freeway that uses metric.Sep 08 06:11
schestowitz__not compatible even within the same countrySep 08 06:12
DaemonFC[m]It was a pilot thing and they never switched the markers and signs out.Sep 08 06:12
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: "pagan losers"Sep 08 06:12
schestowitz__Fox on EuropeansSep 08 06:12
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Had they been using the same system, they would have landed the probe fine, either way.Sep 08 06:12
Ariadnedid a fist fight really break out?Sep 08 06:13
schestowitz__how much was nasa budget back then?Sep 08 06:13
Ariadnei mean, i wouldn't be surprisedSep 08 06:13
Ariadnethat's a lot of people's careers flushed down the toiletSep 08 06:13
schestowitz__now it's stimulus for "job creator" Pedo Guy MuskSep 08 06:13
Ariadneyou generally don't get to walk back "crashed a probe into mars"Sep 08 06:13
DaemonFC[m]<Ariadne "did a fist fight really break ou"> That's what Arlan Andrews told me.Sep 08 06:14
schestowitz__they should have shock-therapied those scientists with chlorine and stuffSep 08 06:14
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schestowitz__(older)Sep 08 06:15
DaemonFC[m]He has a pretty long career in government and was an advisor to President Clinton.Sep 08 06:15
DaemonFC[m]He's a science fiction writer too.Sep 08 06:16
DaemonFC[m]I remember one of his talks in Indianapolis where he mentioned a missile they were working on to shoot down helicopters.Sep 08 06:16
DaemonFC[m]They were testing it out in the middle of the desert and they had an outhouse there.Sep 08 06:17
DaemonFC[m]So they fired this thing and instead of locking on to the test target, it locked on to the exhaust fan in the outhouse and blew up their outhouse. Sep 08 06:17
DaemonFC[m]Wow, SNES DOOM is terrible.Sep 08 06:39
DaemonFC[m]They wrote a new engine for it and even with the SuperFX 2 add-on chip, the console can't really run it well.Sep 08 06:40
AriadneyoooooSep 08 06:52
Ariadnethere is a bootleg game based on SNES DOOMSep 08 06:52
Ariadnelike noah's ark adventures or some shitSep 08 06:52
schestowitz__snes had doom?Sep 08 06:52
schestowitz__like... with wads and stuff?Sep 08 06:53
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schestowitz__"racist mobster"Sep 08 06:57
schestowitz__Who next to do a book? Ivanka? Ivana?Sep 08 07:00
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: No WADs. Not even the full game.Sep 08 07:15
DaemonFC[m]Nintendo also banned all references to Hell, even though part of it still takes place in Hell and there's at least one inverted cross.Sep 08 07:15
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DaemonFC[m]The way the SuperFX was shipped was dumb. They should have had it as an onboard processor.Sep 08 07:28
DaemonFC[m]Sega tried to do something like the SuperFX with the Sega 32x adapter. Doom ended up on the Genesis through the 32x.Sep 08 07:29
DaemonFC[m]The problem was that Sega had two competing add-ons to the Genesis which were not compatible. One was a CD-ROM system and one was the 32x.Sep 08 07:29
DaemonFC[m]So you could only put a 32x game on a cartridge. It was nuts.Sep 08 07:30
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DaemonFC[m]It probably would have competed well with the Nintendo 64 had they committed to a CD and 32X integrated add-on unit and gotten rid of cartridges for the expanded system, and not launched the Saturn.Sep 08 07:35
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: This is what happens when people who are not engineers get on as a CEO of a tech company. Sep 08 07:35
DaemonFC[m]You need to get out of the way of your engineers and ask the customers what they want to buy.Sep 08 07:36
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft isn't competing well in areas where there are already established markets, because they can't dictate what the product will be. It doesn't work like that.Sep 08 07:37
DaemonFC[m]Generally, people respond favorably to backwards compatibility. Usually more so than ability to run newer software.Sep 08 07:40
DaemonFC[m]LibreOffice is still recognizable compared with a copy of StarOffice I was using in the 90s.Sep 08 07:41
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I've noticed a resurgence of RPG games that have the same sort of graphics as the SNES or so.Sep 08 07:45
DaemonFC[m]As far as Debian going off the rails, I think they should have pushed for inclusion of Upstart instead and forked off the utilities that Red Hat made depend on systemd.Sep 08 07:51
DaemonFC[m]systemd is too big to debug and supplants things that the kernel can already do.Sep 08 07:53
DaemonFC[m]The sorts of bugs making it into RHEL where it sits there and leaks GB of memory or lets a potentially malicious DNS server execute remote code should have been a wake up call.Sep 08 07:54
DaemonFC[m]There shouldn't be a debian-private. Sep 08 07:56
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, I think that Fedora must have something where the public can't see what's going on.Sep 08 07:56
DaemonFC[m]There were no public votes to get rid of Kevin Kofler. When he requested one so that everyone's position was on the record, they deleted the ticket. Not just closed. Deleted. As in, like it never existed.Sep 08 07:57
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, snes9x is not quite open source/Free in the sense that it has a no commercial use clause.Sep 08 07:59
DaemonFC[m]I use it for a few SNES games because it's so much faster than higan. The point of higan was to be accurate, not fast, but it kind of limits the usefulness.Sep 08 07:59
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DaemonFC[m]Star Trek TNG is on BBCSep 08 08:06
DaemonFC[m]I remember my dad complaining about these because in one episode there was a man in a dress. Sep 08 08:06
DaemonFC[m]There's no logical reason why a dress wouldn't be men's fashion. High heels were once meant for men. Scottish men have traditionally worn kilts. Sep 08 08:09
DaemonFC[m]It's amazing what kind of stupid rules get inflicted on people because "That's the way it's done and it just is and don't ask questions.".Sep 08 08:10
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schestowitz__[07:45] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz__: I've noticed a resurgence of RPG games that have the same sort of graphics as the SNES or so.Sep 08 10:12
schestowitz__Yes, that baffles meSep 08 10:12
schestowitz__it's like going backwardsSep 08 10:12
schestowitz__who does that target?Sep 08 10:12\Sep 08 11:00
schestowitz__ 08 11:00
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schestowitz__so... garrett has another ax to grindSep 08 12:09
schestowitz__after we defended TorvaldsSep 08 12:09
schestowitz__now he tries to accuse me of defending rape, which is basically defamatorySep 08 12:09
schestowitz__and he does this repeatedly in TwitterSep 08 12:09
schestowitz__he works closely with Sage Sharp for at least 5 yearsSep 08 12:10
schestowitz__so I guess I might have become a 'high profile target' to themSep 08 12:10
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MinceR:>Sep 08 17:31
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scientesIt turns out my favorite Colombian band stole some of their songsSep 08 18:54
scientesEMI was bought out by Universal Music and then songs that were written before the acquisition Morat took and remade, with the same name and exact same song, but with no credit to the original artistSep 08 18:55
scientesits the hypocrcy of the MAFIAASep 08 18:56
scientesas only bands with contracts can re-mix songs, and then they have to stay "in-cabal"Sep 08 18:57
scienteswhich is a total boner-killerSep 08 18:59
scientesif you are going to have this silly copyright thing, then at least follow the rulesSep 08 19:00
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MinceRthey're too rich to follow the rulesSep 08 19:02
minorityreport 08 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What a cluster-buck! Nutanix and Microsoft to swap licence credits under new Azure deal • The RegisterSep 08 19:03
minorityreport"On June 1, 2019, Nutanix appointed Brian Stevens to its board of directors."Sep 08 19:03
minorityreport 08 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nutanix - WikipediaSep 08 19:03
minorityreportYet more assimilation ?Sep 08 19:04
*scientes doesn't careSep 08 19:04
minorityreporthi there ..Sep 08 19:04
Narratorjust another added to oligopoly ...Sep 08 19:05
scientesMinceR, there is a reason I do not buy copyrighted works on principleSep 08 19:06
Narratorto preserve ownership of "american open source" Sep 08 19:06
scienteswell, sometimes booksSep 08 19:06
minorityreport“We are the Borg .. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.”Sep 08 19:07
scientesbut then with books what you get is such shitSep 08 19:10
scientesthe technology is so much better than what you getSep 08 19:10
scientesand if it was libre books, then we would get a much better dealSep 08 19:10
scienteswith books, with the internet it is kinda a washSep 08 19:12
scientesthe internet never did have much content, and copyright never slowed it down muchSep 08 19:12
Narratorwell, internet have  mostly the conputers topics Sep 08 19:13
scientesNarrator, really, give me a link to TAoCP volume 4ASep 08 19:14
Narratorexcepts wikipedia but this is very smallSep 08 19:14
Narratorwhat is TAoCP ?:)Sep 08 19:14
scientesand wikipedia's math is completely inaccessible if you don't already know the materialSep 08 19:14
scientesit is a catch-22Sep 08 19:14
Narratorwell, as douglas adams say you need to know piece of answer to ask the question;-)Sep 08 19:15
Narrator... said ...Sep 08 19:15
scientesthe best content remains in booksSep 08 19:16
Narratornope, the best context exists in the heads ;-)Sep 08 19:16
scientesNarrator, if you slice them open I don't think you will find much!Sep 08 19:17
Narratorwell, are you sure?Sep 08 19:17
scientesyesSep 08 19:17
MinceRjust get the ability to gain memories by eating brainsSep 08 19:17
Narratorwho have the empty head ?Sep 08 19:17
Narratoras socrato say the writing is good for memory, the eating brains is not an options;-);-) Sep 08 19:18
Narratorscientes: rememeber, there are plenty informations nobody need to know everything Sep 08 19:19
scientesMinceR, mmmmmm, memories!Sep 08 19:20
MinceR:)Sep 08 19:20
Narratori.e. science is this required ?;-)Sep 08 19:20
Narrator[ekg]Sep 08 19:22
Narratorver2 Sep 08 19:22
Narratorpolish client for jabberSep 08 19:22
MinceRthere's also PsiSep 08 19:23
Narrator20:21:23 ::: XRevan86 requested ctcp VERSIONSep 08 19:23
Narratora spy ...Sep 08 19:23
XRevan86Narrator: Not much in there :)Sep 08 19:23
Narratorthen i  help you with more information;-)Sep 08 19:24
scientesXRevan86, just delicious brainsSep 08 19:24
Narratorabout writtings: ;-)Sep 08 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Socrates: Writing vs. Memory | ETEC540: Text TechologiesSep 08 19:25
XRevan86Narrator: I forgot where you're from, I think you told me before.Sep 08 19:25
Narratorsomething for sciences;-)Sep 08 19:25
Narratorpoland ...Sep 08 19:25
Narratorsouth of polandSep 08 19:26
XRevan86Explains the Polish client for XMPP.Sep 08 19:26
psydroidZakopaneSep 08 19:26
scientesSocrates was being rhetoricalSep 08 19:26
Narratorwell, not exacly in zakopane but ... south Sep 08 19:26
scientesand whoever wrote this article is an idiotSep 08 19:27
Narratori use ekg2 this is jabber client Sep 08 19:27
Narratorscientes: well, why ?Sep 08 19:27
XRevan86Narrator: Is it good? Looks dead-ish.Sep 08 19:27
scientesNarrator, the answer you are looking for is MosesSep 08 19:28
Narratorwell, still work ...Sep 08 19:28
Narratoras django 1.x ;-)Sep 08 19:28
scientesuggggh, fucking portugeseSep 08 19:28
Narratoropen source is not changing so fast Sep 08 19:29
scientesI hate it because it is annoyingly not spanishSep 08 19:29
XRevan86Narrator: XMPP does change though.Sep 08 19:29
MinceR:DSep 08 19:29
scientesmy brain is not young enough to handle the differencesSep 08 19:29
psydroidit's broken spanishSep 08 19:29
*Narrator not know spanish/portuhgeseSep 08 19:29
Narrator:)))Sep 08 19:29
Narratori will told it to my spanish friends;-))Sep 08 19:30
psydroiddespacito, muy tranquiloSep 08 19:30
MinceR 08 19:30
scientestranquilitoSep 08 19:30
scientesthe spanish diminuative is so flexibleSep 08 19:31
minorityreportot: firefox to blame because windows can't connect to the Internet!Sep 08 19:31
minorityreport 08 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Upside down, you turn me, you're giving bork instinctively: Firefox flips as a train connection is missed • The RegisterSep 08 19:31
*Narrator is older that Linus and currently brain have no problems:) (my colleges say something diffrent)Sep 08 19:31
*Narrator have some students which told me that "internet not working"Sep 08 19:32
Narratorthey cannot connect to google using firefox ...Sep 08 19:33
psydroidand then you tell them "internet working, but brain not working"Sep 08 19:33
psydroidMiyagi-styleSep 08 19:33
minorityreportEspecially holding a candle cause the Electricity has cut out :]Sep 08 19:33
XRevan86internet pracuje, ale mozok ne pracujeSep 08 19:34
Narratorpsydroid: no, they are knowledge about humanities not internet ;-)Sep 08 19:34
psydroidtak jestSep 08 19:35
XRevan86ce je takSep 08 19:35
psydroidNarrator, that explains itSep 08 19:35
Narratorbtw they pay me for teaching them  to use internet , well, good they have simple problems;-)Sep 08 19:37
XRevan86Narrator: If they cannot use an address bar, that still quite peculiar.Sep 08 19:37
scientesXRevan86, google concluded long ago that people don't know how to use address barSep 08 19:38
Narratoryes, they try to remove it Sep 08 19:38
Narratorto much freedom Sep 08 19:39
MinceR"If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago."Sep 08 19:39
scientesthey are trying to remove it now so that they can lie to people when they host other's contentSep 08 19:39
Narratorthe url should be unreadableSep 08 19:39
XRevan86Doesn't blend in with the "web app" philosophy too well.Sep 08 19:39
scientesto prevent people from leaving googleSep 08 19:39
scientesXRevan86, the "our slave" philosophySep 08 19:39
XRevan86and because AMP, of courseSep 08 19:40
scientesanyways, Google's browser is inferiorSep 08 19:40
scientesthey only get people to use it through coersionSep 08 19:40
Narratorwell, i don;t use fb and sometime i feel like i have been out of internet Sep 08 19:41
Narrator.. sometimes ...Sep 08 19:41
scientesespecially through their back door into the vast majority of small computersSep 08 19:41
minorityreportWhat about ungoogled-chromium, or what's a good private browser?Sep 08 19:42
scienteschrome is slow and uses too much memorySep 08 19:42
MinceRthere's no good browser with up-to-date html/css/dom/js supportSep 08 19:42
scientesand "private" mode was always and will always be, porn modeSep 08 19:42
scienteswhich was created because google was pissed people kept deleting all their tracking stuff every time they watched pornSep 08 19:43
Narratorat the beginning, the Internet was born as a technology whose main function was listening, spying, then it was made available and the main function remainedSep 08 19:44
scientesNarrator, you are full of non-sense, I am going to block youSep 08 19:44
XRevan86Narrator: No, the original intent was, unsurprisingly, fast exchange of information.Sep 08 19:44
Narrator:DSep 08 19:44
minorityreportHow about NCSA Mosaic ?Sep 08 19:44
MinceRit was also originally intended to be redundant and robustSep 08 19:45
MinceRbut, thanks to cost effectiveness, that's long goneSep 08 19:45
scientesalso, Why you think the net was born? 08 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Internet Is For Porn - Avenue Q - Original Broadway Cast - YouTubeSep 08 19:45
MinceR:>Sep 08 19:46
scientesMinceR, not really cost effectiveness, more like anti-social capitalism delusionsSep 08 19:46
*XRevan86 just uses Firefox, it's good enough for him.Sep 08 19:46
*Narrator remember world without internetSep 08 19:46
*XRevan86 doesn't know how many more controversies he can take though.Sep 08 19:46
MinceRNarrator: arpanet?Sep 08 19:46
minorityreport.. gtg .. byeee ...Sep 08 19:46
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Narratorwell, no Sep 08 19:46
MinceRah, before the 1960s then :>Sep 08 19:46
Narratorsneakernt and UUCPSep 08 19:47
XRevan86Narrator probably means the world without the omnipresent Internet.Sep 08 19:47
scientesits not really omnipresentSep 08 19:48
Narratorwell, in poland that was much laterSep 08 19:48
XRevan86well, in russia that was much later-erSep 08 19:48
scientesbefore that there were programable calculators with rediculously low memorySep 08 19:49
Narratorexactly, more books less twitterSep 08 19:49
Narratorwell, in 80-82 i had first calculator Sep 08 19:50
Narratorc64 in 84 Sep 08 19:51
Narratorinternet late 80'sSep 08 19:52
DaemonFC[m] 08 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ )Sep 08 19:54
XRevan86speaking of AMPSep 08 19:54
DaemonFC[m]Turning on Windows Sandbox enables a zero day vulnerability.Sep 08 19:54
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: ehemSep 08 19:54
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: check this outSep 08 19:55
MinceRsilly Backdoors users, expecting security from an alleged security featureSep 08 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Redirect AMP to HTML | Web ExtensionSep 08 19:55
DaemonFC[m]"Lykkegaard pointed BleepingComputer to a thread with the vulnerabilities he found and told us that one of the worst bugs he reported allowed manipulating UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) applications - bootloaders, operating system kernel - that reside as files on the EFI partition.Sep 08 19:56
DaemonFC[m]He says that Microsoft’s recent slash of rewards for high-severity privilege escalation bugs from $20,000 to $2,000 also contributed to sharing the issue publicly since the effort simply is no longer worth it.Sep 08 19:56
DaemonFC[m]“Until now, I have always submitted my findings to MS and waited till they were patched, but with the recent bounty change it is not worth it,” Lykkegaard told us."Sep 08 19:56
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__ I didn't notice that Microsoft cut bounties by 90%. Maybe it's part of them being broke and trying to shore up the bottom line. More likely, they don't care.Sep 08 19:57
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DaemonFC[m]Bug bounties were already much lower than state attackers and criminal outfits would pay, so Microsoft is basically saying "Just sell them to those people instead." with this cut.Sep 08 20:01
Narratorwell, they are monopol they don't need to patch anything Sep 08 20:02
kingoffrancewell i dont recall where but  i saw one place get this right: the purpose of internet, nominally, is between other networks, to bridge/connect them.   that just seems quaint because now IP is used for intranet/lans/wans/etc.Sep 08 20:02
kingoffranceits right in the name :)Sep 08 20:02
kingoffranceits just most those "other networks" are probably dead nowSep 08 20:03
kingoffranceso a misnomer now perhapsSep 08 20:03
DaemonFC[m]Mobile Vivaldi doesn't support extensions.Sep 08 20:03
kingoffranceas ive said before, internet killed the proprietary network starSep 08 20:04
Narratorwell, fido too Sep 08 20:04
Narratorand slowly kills regular mailSep 08 20:05
kingoffrancepun intended, i think token ring used "star" topologySep 08 20:05
Narratornovell networks Sep 08 20:06
Narratorbtw, telco moves to ip networks tooSep 08 20:07
kingoffranceyepSep 08 20:13
kingoffrancepotsSep 08 20:13
kingoffrancei should say it doesnt seem quaint because know we even have iot -- every "thing"Sep 08 20:14
kingoffrance*nowSep 08 20:14
kingoffranceit should seem quaint but it doesntSep 08 20:15
Narrator 08 20:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Megaconstellati: .@SpaceX's Starlink network (AS14593) has only 2 POPs so far (LAX & SEA:, uses @ZayoGroup… 08 20:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> PeeringDBSep 08 20:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Megaconstellati: .@SpaceX's Starlink network (AS14593) has only 2 POPs so far (LAX & SEA:, uses @ZayoGroup… 08 20:18
scientesXRevan86, does it really not have a about:config in firefox?Sep 08 20:18
scientesit is a really bad sign that you need an extension for thatSep 08 20:19
Narratori.e. ftp in firefrox ...Sep 08 20:19
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MinceRgopherSep 08 20:21
scientesfingerSep 08 20:21
MinceRfirefox had a finger client built in? :>Sep 08 20:22
scientes$ fingerSep 08 20:24
scientesNo mail.Sep 08 20:24
scientesNo Plan.Sep 08 20:24
scientesouchSep 08 20:24
MinceR:>Sep 08 20:24
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Narratordon't worry have d-o-h;-)Sep 08 20:31
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XRevan86scientes: There is one on desktop, of course. There is none on Android.Sep 08 20:51
XRevan86except in betas and stuff, and in the fork "Iceweasle Mobile"Sep 08 20:52
XRevan86(no typo)Sep 08 20:52
XRevan86 (#deletegithub, yes) this oneSep 08 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - fork-maintainers/iceweasel: Iceweasel MobileSep 08 20:53
XRevan86which apparently fixed the spelling, making me look like a fool :)Sep 08 20:59
MinceRye olde weasle of yceSep 08 21:04
scientesXRevan86, it was always spelled the latter in DebianSep 08 21:05
scientesbut Debian now has "firefox"Sep 08 21:05
MinceRdebian is deadSep 08 21:05
Narratorwell, names all godd names are reserved Sep 08 21:05
Narrator... good ...Sep 08 21:05
scientesMinceR, in the same way that south africa is dead, yesSep 08 21:05
XRevan86MinceR: Þe olde wesele of is, thou meanest?Sep 08 21:06
MinceR:>Sep 08 21:06
Narrator 08 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How one programmer broke the internet by deleting a tiny piece of code — QuartzSep 08 21:06
*scientes again glad someone is blockedSep 08 21:06
scientesthe only thing that is weird is the one-sided conversationsSep 08 21:07
XRevan86Narrator: node.js stuff != InternetSep 08 21:08
Narratori knowSep 08 21:08
Narratori show it becaus there is a war Sep 08 21:08
XRevan86Huh, that function doesn't even look like competent JS…Sep 08 21:08
Narratorwar to reserve words Sep 08 21:09
MinceRthat's how you know it's for the "modern" webSep 08 21:09
scientespost-modern web 08 21:10
scientes*websSep 08 21:10
Narratorbtw, words which start from "i" are less common in project names Sep 08 21:12
Narratori named my project similar and i haven't found any project with this name...Sep 08 21:14
XRevan86iswesele?Sep 08 21:14
scientesXRevan86, isspiderSep 08 21:15
Narrator 08 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - AdamPrzybyla/Impansible: Robotframework library to access all ansible internal modules. All Ansible modules are available as Robotframework's keywords. The Impansible library can be used without Robotframework.Sep 08 21:15
scientesSpiderMonkeySep 08 21:15
Narratoryou were close;-)Sep 08 21:16
XRevan86scientes: isspiþreSep 08 21:16
scientesniceSep 08 21:16
MinceR:)Sep 08 21:16
XRevan86huh, so th→dSep 08 21:16
Narratorremember, i-words are free to use;-)Sep 08 21:17
Narratornobody wants them;-)Sep 08 21:17
Narratori remember a free trainings which we did with my friendSep 08 21:18
XRevan86hah, cop == spiderSep 08 21:18
XRevan86scientes: alternatively: iscoppeSep 08 21:19
MinceRiscatteSep 08 21:19
scientesthey don't have one of a spider on concaineSep 08 21:19
Narratornobody wants to learn inkscape ...  probably because this is i-word;-)Sep 08 21:19
MinceR:>Sep 08 21:19
XRevan86everyone wants to learn sK1?Sep 08 21:21
Narratornope, gimp ... ;-)Sep 08 21:21
MinceReveryone wants to learn sodipodiSep 08 21:21
XRevan86Narrator: That's raster graphics.Sep 08 21:22
Narratori know i know:)Sep 08 21:22
*Narrator offSep 08 21:23
XRevan86Narrator: And then there are Krita and Akira.Sep 08 21:23
MinceRtetsuooooo!Sep 08 21:24
Narratorand nobody choose i-word for their name;-)Sep 08 21:25
kingoffrancewell that was kind of what i mean   web != internet   but internet != internet anymore   it is THE network nowSep 08 21:25
XRevan86Narrator: intltool, IPython, IJuliaSep 08 21:26
schestowitz__[19:46] * Narrator remember world without internetSep 08 21:26
MinceRwasn't IPython renamed to Jupyter?Sep 08 21:26
XRevan86from international, interactiveSep 08 21:26
schestowitz__web or Internet?Sep 08 21:26
XRevan86MinceR: Oh no, the next letter of the alphabet, what sudden but jnevitable betrayal!Sep 08 21:27
MinceRlolSep 08 21:27
Narratorwell, world without my access to internet;-)Sep 08 21:28
MinceR 08 21:28
XRevan86MinceR: I find the lack of St. Petersburg, Florida and Moscow, Ohio disrespectfulSep 08 21:29
MinceR"The maximum number of destinations has been reached."Sep 08 21:29
MinceRgoogle won't allow more :>Sep 08 21:29
MinceRalso, they're not in WisconsinSep 08 21:29
XRevan86MinceR: Ah, fair enough :)Sep 08 21:29
scientes<MinceR> also, they're not in WisconsinSep 08 21:30
scientesexactlySep 08 21:30
XRevan86there's St. Peter, WisconsinSep 08 21:31
MinceR:>Sep 08 21:31
scientesXRevan86, it it an incorporate municipality?Sep 08 21:31
XRevan86… and Moscow, WisconsinSep 08 21:31
scientes> unincorporatedSep 08 21:31
scientesdamnSep 08 21:31
scientesis there any good guide to the current situation of borders and international flightsSep 08 21:32
scienteset ceteraSep 08 21:32
schestowitz__[20:31] <Narrator> don't worry have d-o-h;-)Sep 08 21:32
schestowitz__comcast or clownflare? blue or red pill?Sep 08 21:32
XRevan86 there we goSep 08 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Petersburg, Wisconsin - WikipediaSep 08 21:34
Narratorblue or blue ... ;-) Sep 08 21:35
XRevan86no Warsaw, Wisconsin, or Warshawa, or VarshavaSep 08 21:36
schestowitz__[21:31] <XRevan86> … and Moscow, WisconsinSep 08 21:36
XRevan86or WarszawaSep 08 21:36
schestowitz__imagine voting for Trump from MoscowSep 08 21:36
XRevan86schestowitz__: What's this "voting" you're speaking of?Sep 08 21:37
schestowitz__WIllis!Sep 08 21:37
scientesmore like boating wooooooSep 08 21:38
MinceRthere's an unincorporated community called Poland in Eaton, Wisconsin, thoughSep 08 21:46
XRevan86MinceR: Better than nothing, I guess.Sep 08 21:49
Narratorprobably half of chicago are from poland;-)Sep 08 21:50
Narratori mean their ancestorsSep 08 21:51
XRevan86Narrator: What are the odds of getting a "Dobrogo dña" in Chicago?Sep 08 21:51
XRevan86ohSep 08 21:51
Narratori was first;-)Sep 08 21:52
*Narrator offSep 08 21:53
MinceRyou mean "Dzień dobry"? :>Sep 08 21:53
Narratoryep:)Sep 08 21:54
XRevan86MinceR: I was sneaking in Ukrainian phrases and seeing if someone would notice :)Sep 08 21:54
MinceRlolSep 08 21:54
psydroidDobranocSep 08 21:54
*psydroid did noticeSep 08 21:55
Narratordobranoc:)Sep 08 21:55
XRevan86"mozok" is a dead giveaway, I don't think any other language has this form.Sep 08 21:56
XRevan86Oh, Macedonian doesSep 08 21:57
psydroidwhat is it in Serbo-Croatian?Sep 08 21:58
XRevan86and in a way SlovakSep 08 21:58
XRevan86psydroid: mozakSep 08 21:58
XRevan86if "a" is a result of a vowel reduction reflected in spelling, then it would countSep 08 21:59
XRevan86I mean, if I were to see this in Belarusian, then I'd now it's probably "mozok" (it's actually "mozg").Sep 08 22:01
XRevan86because it has the same vowel reduction of o→schwa as in Greater Russian, but also reflects it in spellingSep 08 22:02
XRevan86which makes it unpleasant to read, it's better on the ear than in writingSep 08 22:03
psydroidit's mózg in Polish tooSep 08 22:03
XRevan86Yea, that's the most common variation.Sep 08 22:04
XRevan86except for the pronunciation of courseSep 08 22:05
XRevan86I wouldn't recognise "mozg" in "musk"Sep 08 22:05
XRevan86or better, "moosk", because in this case that aligns well with what's actually happening :)Sep 08 22:06
psydroidthe wiktionary entries are interesting tooSep 08 22:07
XRevan86> Derived terms: (adjectives) bezmózgi,Sep 08 22:08
XRevan86That's not very nice.Sep 08 22:08
XRevan86I came to read about brains, and the first thing it gives me is an adjective for brainless.Sep 08 22:08
psydroidit's just being honest to youSep 08 22:09
MinceR:>Sep 08 22:10
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XRevan86Brains are in another castle.Sep 08 22:11
MinceRbraaaaaaaaaaaainsSep 08 22:11
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*XRevan86 wondered what's Polish for zàmok, turns out, that's a loan from Polish.Sep 08 22:15
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psydroidzamek for square?Sep 08 22:16
psydroidmy Polish is a bit rustySep 08 22:16
XRevan86In East Slavic it's zamòk for locks and zàmok for castles, the latter is from Polish where it's zàmek for both.Sep 08 22:17
psydroidoh, castleSep 08 22:17
XRevan86so I guess it's partially a semantic loan and partially a… stress/accent loan?Sep 08 22:17
psydroidI got confused with rynekSep 08 22:18
XRevan86psydroid: sounds like marketSep 08 22:18
psydroidyesSep 08 22:18
psydroidbut it's used for the square where the market was held in Polish at leastSep 08 22:18
XRevan86which also got into East Slavic from Polish %)Sep 08 22:18
psydroidand it's ultimately from Germanic rinc (ring)Sep 08 22:20
XRevan86psydroid: In Russian it usually means an open marketplace.Sep 08 22:20
XRevan86or a covered marketplace, definitely not a supermarketSep 08 22:20
psydroidyesSep 08 22:21
XRevan86I think the word is "public market"Sep 08 22:21
psydroidwhat is used in Ukrainian?Sep 08 22:22
XRevan86psydroid: sameSep 08 22:22
XRevan86rynokSep 08 22:22
schestowitz__ 08 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Unpaid work training Google’s spam filters | Daniel Pocock’s personal blogSep 08 22:23
schestowitz__'Many chat protocols work with an explicit opt-in. Before you can exchange messages with somebody, you must add each other to your buddy lists. Once you do this, virtually all messages get through without filtering. Could this concept be adapted to email, maybe giving users a summary of messages from people they don't have in their contact list and asking them to explicitly accept or reject each contact?"Sep 08 22:24
XRevan86schestowitz__: Having a person in an address book is usually accounted for when checking for validity.Sep 08 22:25
XRevan86But I think what they have in mind is a subscription request, and… good luck with that.Sep 08 22:26
schestowitz__ 08 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mollydb (Molly de Blanc) · GitHubSep 08 22:26
schestowitz__"I don't know how to code, but I do have blue hair."Sep 08 22:26
schestowitz__WTF?Sep 08 22:26
XRevan86schestowitz__: I can clearly see a photograph on the avatar with a disturbing lack of blue hair.Sep 08 22:27
schestowitz__ 08 22:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mollamby: the Debian Developer certificateSep 08 22:28
schestowitz__"It appears that the DPL's girlfriend was promoted and given that holy DD status at the very time she was looking for a job."Sep 08 22:28
MinceR 08 22:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | You Gotta Have Blue Hair - TV TropesSep 08 22:28
schestowitz__XRevan86: that tooSep 08 22:28
schestowitz__"Ironically, McGovern's email accuses the person asking the question of being divisive. Yet just weeks later, Neil McGovern played a key role in one of the most divisive events in the entire history of free software, ambushing de Blanc's former boss, Richard Stallman, using his GNOME title to add weight to an anti-RMS attack blog."Sep 08 22:28
XRevan86MinceR: I've been explained that blue hair is usually for real dark black-ish hair.Sep 08 22:29
MinceRmaybe in western comicsSep 08 22:29
XRevan86MinceR: No, animeoSep 08 22:30
MinceRso what do green, purple and light blue hair stand for?Sep 08 22:30
XRevan86MinceR: tough one, but blue is used even in shows that go for a conservative lookSep 08 22:31
XRevan86MinceR: With the simplest example being the first chapter of JoJoSep 08 22:31
MinceRand what does hair that is black, gold and pink stand for?Sep 08 22:32
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XRevan86MinceR: What character of the first chapter has that palette?Sep 08 22:33
MinceRit's not from JoJoSep 08 22:34
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XRevan86My point is that even when it makes absolutely no sense, blue is still used.Sep 08 22:34
XRevan86unlike other unnatural colours, seemingly.Sep 08 22:34
MinceR"Why is an alien bluenette dying her hair purple, you ask? To match her second mother's (Jurai royals practice polygamy) naturally purple hair! Said second mother is a full-blooded human from 13th century Japan, a fact which takes the escape clause, rips it into small bits, incinerates the bits with a flamethrower, and then urinates on the ashes."Sep 08 22:35
XRevan86MinceR: 08 22:36
MinceRalso, "Screw the rules, I have green hair!"Sep 08 22:36
XRevan86MinceR: Blue in some cases have a mapping to real-life human hair colours, green probably doesn't.Sep 08 22:42
psydread"All of you should realise I am in fact the Green Goblin"Sep 08 22:44
XRevan86… from the Gummybears cartoonSep 08 22:45
DaemonFC[m]USCIS mailed me the $410 processing fee back.Sep 08 22:46
DaemonFC[m]They said it was not needed in order to file for a renewal EAD for family-based status adjustment.Sep 08 22:46
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XRevan86Oh wait, they're ogres, never mind.Sep 08 22:46
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, if your case just drags on and it's because of them, you can renew an EAD as many times as you need to until you're called in for an immigration interview.Sep 08 22:47
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DaemonFC[m]If it takes them 5 years, theoretically you could just renew it 4 times for free (well, cost of mailing the form) and it doesn't matter.Sep 08 22:47
DaemonFC[m]It's effectively a temporary green card.Sep 08 22:47
DaemonFC[m]You have to renew it every year.Sep 08 22:47
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I applied as soon as I could for a renewal EAD because I anticipate it being at least as bad as last time where it took 5 months for them to approve it. You can ask for a hardship exemption where they process it in 2 months, but Trump told them to deny all of those.Sep 08 22:49
DaemonFC[m]So your spouse can't work for months and you have to pay all the bills and then they issue you a card with 2 weeks before an interview (not enough time to establish employment) and they say "likely to become public charge".Sep 08 22:49
DaemonFC[m]But the virus chased them out of the office and Mandy has established employment now.Sep 08 22:49
DaemonFC[m]If we filed a month sooner or a month later than we did, we'd have been denied.Sep 08 22:51
DaemonFC[m]A month earlier and they would have gotten us in for an interview in March and said "He's unemployed." and a month later, the law changed.Sep 08 22:52
DaemonFC[m] 08 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Paragon 'optimistic' that its NTFS driver will be accepted into the Linux Kernel • The RegisterSep 08 22:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz NTFS Linux driver.Sep 08 22:56
DaemonFC[m]Lake County has a government consolidation question on the ballot.Sep 08 22:57
DaemonFC[m]It asks voters whether to eliminate the county recorder of deeds and merge it with the county clerk.Sep 08 22:57
DaemonFC[m]I voted to get rid of the Cook County recorder in 2016 and it passed.Sep 08 22:58
DaemonFC[m]They said at the time it would save taxpayers about a million dollars a year.Sep 08 22:58
DaemonFC[m]In Lake County, they say $176,000 salary for the recorder and her health and pension benefit. So probably over $200,000 a year. Sep 08 22:58
DaemonFC[m]That only comes out to a savings of about 60 cents per tax payer in Lake County over a year, but it's a start.Sep 08 22:59
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure they'll figure out how to waste it and raise taxes anyway.Sep 08 22:59
schestowitz__[22:56] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz NTFS Linux driver.Sep 08 22:59
schestowitz__Yes, I knowSep 08 22:59
schestowitz__phoronix wrote 2-3 times about this in 2-3 weeksSep 08 22:59
schestowitz__e.g. 08 23:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Paragon Sends Out Updated NTFS Driver They Want To Mainline For The Linux Kernel - PhoronixSep 08 23:00
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't have any use for it. Sep 08 23:00
DaemonFC[m]I immediately reformat external hard disks.Sep 08 23:00
schestowitz__FAT also 08 23:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Wants Linux to Use exFAT for the Same Reasons it Wants Everybody to Use OOXML | TechrightsSep 08 23:00
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: but don'tSep 08 23:00
schestowitz__now you can use linux with ntfsSep 08 23:00
schestowitz__lYnoxSep 08 23:00
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I called the Census office.Sep 08 23:17
DaemonFC[m]They had no idea that this extended stay was even here.Sep 08 23:17
DaemonFC[m]The guy said he'd schedule some people to come out and do a count.Sep 08 23:17
DaemonFC[m] 08 23:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lake County voters could reshape government in NovemberSep 08 23:20
DaemonFC[m]Illinois has been doing government consolidation more recently. Sep 08 23:21
DaemonFC[m]"Village officials have proposed doubling the local sales tax to 1%. The overall sales tax on general goods in the village is 7.5%, so that would rise to 8%.Sep 08 23:22
DaemonFC[m]The extra tax would generate about $2 million annually, officials have said.Sep 08 23:22
DaemonFC[m]It would fund reconstruction of Paulus Park Barn, which was gutted by a fire in November 2019. It also would pay for improvements at fire station No. 1."Sep 08 23:22
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I'd have to vote no on something like that. I don't like in Lake Zurich though.Sep 08 23:22
DaemonFC[m]It generally doesn't matter why they say they're raising taxes. It doesn't go away after the reason they say they want it is taken care of.Sep 08 23:23
DaemonFC[m]A half a percent hike in sales tax would take hundreds of dollars away from each family per year and give it to government, which will find a way to spend it, usually doing something that doesn't benefit them.Sep 08 23:24
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