●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 ●● ● Dec 08 [00:00] DaemonFC But it still didn't help too much. [00:00] schestowitz-TR I'd surf differently back then [00:00] schestowitz-TR and some sites had no images [00:00] schestowitz-TR the text too would take time to load [00:00] schestowitz-TR maybe 20 secs [00:00] DaemonFC My ISP, Skynet, supported v.92. [00:01] schestowitz-TR you are a bit younger than me [00:01] schestowitz-TR 1.5 years [00:01] schestowitz-TR I'm 39 still [00:01] schestowitz-TR not next month :/ [00:01] schestowitz-TR the modem I had was 14.4 [00:01] schestowitz-TR some had the 28k [00:01] schestowitz-TR then ISDN [00:01] schestowitz-TR multiplexing [00:01] DaemonFC I started out with this piece of shit WinModem. [00:01] schestowitz-TR but that encouraged better content [00:02] DaemonFC K56Flex or X2. [00:02] schestowitz-TR yes, winmodem [00:02] schestowitz-TR they called them that [00:02] DaemonFC Luckily, the system on the other end could use either protocol. [00:02] schestowitz-TR your PC came without a modem [00:02] schestowitz-TR dialup winsock or whatever [00:02] schestowitz-TR trumpet [00:02] schestowitz-TR when done, go offline [00:02] schestowitz-TR and keep the trolls behind [00:02] schestowitz-TR scarcity helps people appreciate things more [00:03] schestowitz-TR I'm back to reading email once a day or less [00:03] schestowitz DaemonFC: typos? http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ [00:03] TR Bot [Meme] EU Assurances | Techrights [00:03] DaemonFC There was a software update to v.90, and that was the only good thing about it. [00:04] schestowitz-TR winnuke.exe [00:04] DaemonFC It used the CPU, so the DSP could be upgraded without ripping out the whole modem. [00:04] schestowitz-TR only try on friends ;-) [00:04] schestowitz-TR antinuke.exe [00:04] schestowitz-TR always run when connecting [00:04] schestowitz-TR else, bsod [00:04] schestowitz-TR if we had 'secure' boot back then [00:04] schestowitz-TR then the nuke could maybe override the 'bios' [00:04] schestowitz-TR and brick your PC ;-) [00:04] schestowitz-TR some 'security' [00:05] DaemonFC Mr. Goolag hated that. Mr. Goolag is going back to work on his Roomba. [00:05] schestowitz-TR whop buys this shit? [00:05] schestowitz-TR shits-for-brains [00:05] DaemonFC Absolutely. [00:05] DaemonFC John bought one when I left and bragged about it. [00:05] schestowitz-TR I look at these things and laugh [00:05] schestowitz-TR they don't even have power [00:05] schestowitz-TR no socket, no power [00:05] schestowitz-TR it's s toy [00:05] DaemonFC I went back in while he was at work 2 weeks later to grab more stuff, and the entire house was trashed. [00:05] schestowitz-TR on batteries [00:06] schestowitz-TR you need AT LEAST 1000 watts on those things [00:06] DaemonFC And here's this thing vacuuming 10 square feet of floor he kicked open in front of it and then parking itself. :) [00:06] schestowitz-TR what next? electric planes? [00:06] schestowitz-TR some people try to sell that too [00:06] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Metra is converting diesel-electric locomotives to all electric. [00:06] schestowitz-TR good luck REPAIRING a Roomba [00:06] DaemonFC It makes no sense at all. [00:07] schestowitz-TR with a traditional one you can get spared and repair yourself [00:07] schestowitz-TR unless it's bad engine or some core thing [00:07] schestowitz-TR also, Roomba can get pwned, afaik [00:07] schestowitz-TR via the appliance [00:07] schestowitz-TR or the "app" [00:07] DaemonFC The smarter thing would be to build 1500v overhead wires across the entire system and ditch the engine completely. [00:07] schestowitz-TR to steal info about you and the home [00:07] DaemonFC They'd have to do more work up front, but these electric locomotive engines running on batteries is the stupid short-term option. [00:08] DaemonFC So we're doing this, I guess. [00:08] schestowitz-TR until the company goes bust [00:08] schestowitz-TR ythen you are on your own ;-) [00:08] schestowitz-TR "on your own" ;-) [00:08] schestowitz-TR I'm ALWAYS on my own [00:08] DaemonFC It's somewhere between diesel and just running the system with overhead wires. [00:08] DaemonFC It gets you like halfway to where you should be. [00:08] schestowitz-TR my cleaner connects to nothing but a socket for voltage [00:08] DaemonFC It's a half-measure, and I know enough to avoid those. [00:09] schestowitz-TR maybe next up will be vacuum claners that run on diesel like mowers [00:09] schestowitz-TR stinks up the home :-) [00:09] DaemonFC If it had overhead wires, it would be more efficient and they'd never have to recycle a battery. [00:09] schestowitz-TR ah [00:09] DaemonFC There's not going to be anything more efficient than direct current. [00:09] schestowitz-TR you beat me tto it [00:09] schestowitz-TR re diesel [00:10] schestowitz-TR we both used the diesel analogy at the same time [00:10] DaemonFC You can still put electricity back into the lines at stops by using regenerative braking. [00:10] schestowitz-TR electric powers are OK for small gardens [00:10] DaemonFC Reverse the process to do DC to AC and then put it back out into the grid. [00:10] schestowitz-TR where the wiring doesn't need to be a web of kludge [00:11] DaemonFC Metra's Electric District is the most reliable. [00:11] DaemonFC It's also the oldest. [00:11] DaemonFC 98% on time, and the diesel lines are like 86-92% usually. [00:11] DaemonFC They have more breakdowns, and when they do, you have to wait forever for another train, it completely ruins the board. [00:12] DaemonFC I know. I was in one when the radiator exploded. [00:12] DaemonFC It sounded like a bomb went off and then the whole train shook and the lights went on and off a few times and then the train coasted to a stop. [00:13] TR News [Meme] #EU Assurances Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ #Techrights #EPO #corruption #immunity | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ [00:13] TR Bot [Meme] EU Assurances | Techrights [00:13] DaemonFC Then we were stuck at the Blue Island station for 2 hours with the police directing traffic, and that's when Metra managed to re-route another train onto the opposite track. [00:13] DaemonFC We were never in any physical danger of derailment or anything. [00:14] DaemonFC But it was pretty jarring. [00:14] DaemonFC Humorously, that was the Rock Island District. It was the line that the movie Source Code was filmed on. [00:14] schestowitz-TR [00:12] I know. I was in one when the radiator exploded. [00:14] schestowitz-TR how does THAT work? [00:14] schestowitz-TR it's just like pipe with water [00:14] schestowitz-TR unless it's the boiler [00:15] DaemonFC I don't know. It was louder than hell. [00:15] schestowitz-TR radiators don't explode [00:15] schestowitz-TR they can spill [00:15] DaemonFC Just "BOOOM!". [00:15] schestowitz-TR there's one 30 cm from me [00:15] schestowitz-TR but I never use it [00:15] schestowitz-TR unless it's less than -5 outside [00:15] schestowitz-TR (which is very rare here) [00:15] immibis schestowitz-TR: steam can be under high pressure [00:16] schestowitz-TR I have a hot water bottle to my feet now [00:16] *altlink_d9f has quit (connection closed) [00:16] schestowitz-TR the extremities are the main issue [00:16] *altlink_72d (~altlink_72d@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [00:16] schestowitz-TR immibis: but explode? [00:17] schestowitz-TR also, boilers have water and radiators never have steam in them [00:17] schestowitz-TR nor electricity [00:17] DaemonFC The conductor told me that the radiator exploded. [00:17] immibis but you could only choose from two pieces of shit [00:17] immibis because DNC rigged it like it had done in 2016 [00:17] immibis they never learna [00:17] immibis this is how free markets work [00:17] schestowitz-TR haha, true [00:17] immibis your choice is take it or leave it, your influence is taking the least bad option and leaving the most bad option [00:17] schestowitz-TR apple vs Microsoft [00:18] immibis libertarians will tell you this game eventually results in both options becoming good, but that's because they are wrong [00:18] schestowitz-TR android (gulag) versus i(think you are a pedo)phone [00:18] immibis those are both pretty ludicrous comparisons [00:18] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, A woman with a BMW who ignored the directions on Steel Seal head gasket leak fixer and just poured it in and drove the car found out that radiators can explode. [00:18] DaemonFC I think I told MinceR about that. [00:18] immibis schestowitz-TR: what happens to the water if the cooling system fails? [00:19] DaemonFC Then she started threatening to sue the company when there were very clear directions that she ignored. [00:19] schestowitz-TR they're written by lawyers [00:19] schestowitz-TR long and incomprehensible [00:19] DaemonFC "Oh I'm not going to pay a mechanic to put a new head gasket on this car for $3,500!" [00:19] schestowitz-TR so people stop reading manuals [00:19] DaemonFC "Look what I can do!" [00:20] DaemonFC Nope, now the car is scrap because you blew the radiator, and the head gasket was already bad. [00:20] DaemonFC Head gasket repair on a BMW is not a $900 job like it is on a Chevy. [00:20] DaemonFC And I'm sure a completely new radiator isn't cheap either. [00:21] DaemonFC If you don't know what you're doing with Steel Seal, take it down to a mechanic who does. [00:21] DaemonFC Chances are it can last 50,000 miles and it's an old car so that's all you need anyway. [00:21] DaemonFC And it'll be like maybe $150 all told. [00:23] DaemonFC On a Chevy or a Ford you don't need to use an OEM radiator. [00:23] DaemonFC They sell them from China, they're dirt cheap. They work. [00:26] schestowitz-TR dirt cheap? [00:26] schestowitz-TR to whom? [00:26] schestowitz-TR maybe compared to cost of a car [00:26] schestowitz-TR you can get a hot water bottle for a fiver [00:26] schestowitz-TR a kettle costs like 20 dollars, a decent one too [00:27] TR News es http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158862 #GN [00:27] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [00:28] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158862 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:29] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap8Z-DbUqX4 [00:29] TR Bot Domestic Cats Like Tigers? - YouTube [00:29] TR News Links 8/12/2021: #FreeBSD 12.3, #EasyOS 3.1.13, and WordPress 5.9 Beta 2 Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/easyos-3-1-13/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/easyos-3-1-13/ [00:29] TR Bot Links 8/12/2021: FreeBSD 12.3, EasyOS 3.1.13, and WordPress 5.9 Beta 2 | Techrights [00:32] schestowitz-TR TIL even Nat Friedman has some sexual secrets [00:32] schestowitz-TR but those are rumours [00:32] schestowitz-TR and related to offences [00:32] schestowitz-TR so stay tuned... 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[00:33] schestowitz Read more [00:33] TR Bot ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ap8Z-DbUqX4 ) [00:33] schestowitz wrong paste, sorry [00:33] schestowitz https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ap8Z-DbUqX4" [00:34] schestowitz "Looks like you've found a bug in Invidious." [00:34] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158863 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:34] TR Bot Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [00:35] schestowitz-TR need to find more stable instance [00:35] schestowitz-TR which are the recommended ones? [00:39] schestowitz MinceR: several ads in there [00:41] TR News #epo #patent #monopolies to people who give #cancer to other people, with buzzwords like "e" https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/bat-and-vossius-successful-in-heat-not-burn-e-cigarette-dispute-in-mannheim/ [00:41] TR Bot BAT and Vossius successful in heat-not-burn e-cigarette dispute in Mannheim - JUVE Patent [00:43] TR News #Fakenews about something that can never legally become a reality, part of a #lobbying campaign https://www.dyoung.com/en/knowledgebank/faqs-and-guides/guide-unitary-patent-up see http://techrights.org/2021/09/28/upc-song-joke/ #unitarypatentcourt #unitarypatent [00:43] TR Bot D Young & Co | Guide to the unitary patent (UP) [00:43] TR Bot The You Pee, See? (UPC) Tactics: Fake it Till You Make it | Techrights [00:45] TR News Message lost in #buzzwords https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/12/02/terrascan-open-source-security-analyzer/ [00:45] TR Bot Open source cloud native security analyzer Terrascan embeds security into native DevOps tooling - Help Net Security [00:46] TR News #surveillance disguised as safety https://www.maketecheasier.com/setup-and-use-find-my-iphone/ #apple #YouAreAPedo [00:46] TR Bot How to Use "Find My" to Protect and Track Your iPhone - Make Tech Easier [00:48] TR News FreeBSD 12.3 Released With Updated AMD & Networking Hardware, Password Protected ZIPs - Phoronix http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158857#comment-32002 [00:48] TR Bot FreeBSD 12.3-RELEASE Announcement | The FreeBSD Project | Tux Machines [00:48] DaemonFC https://www.networkworld.com/article/2287695/k56flex-vs--x2-56kbps-modems.html [00:48] TR Bot K56flex vs. x2 56Kbps modems | Network World [00:48] DaemonFC TIL: A patent troll made 56k modems more expensive for everyone with junk patents, which he was able to hire lawyers to defend, due to the royalties and settlements he made with people who paid up. [00:50] TR News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158826#comment-32003Tails 4.25 is out [00:50] TR Bot Tails 4.25 Anonymous Linux OS Released with New Backup Tool for Persistent Storage | Tux Machines [00:50] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: parasite economy [00:50] schestowitz-TR I did not know about the modem angle [00:50] schestowitz-TR was too young to understand I guess [00:50] DaemonFC https://web.archive.org/web/20130517200939/http://www.networkworld.com/news/2004/0308widernetmodem.html [00:50] TR Bot More than just a modem man [00:52] DaemonFC Submarine patent on 56k. [00:52] DaemonFC He patented it, then waited for the ITU to standardize one, then popped up and demanded settlements from all involved. [00:54] schestowitz-TR typical [00:54] schestowitz-TR like mp* [00:54] schestowitz-TR and now av* [00:54] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/04/23/microsoft-walking-among-patents/ [00:54] TR Bot Microsoft Software Patents in Codecs, Web Font DRM, and Likewise-HP | Techrights [00:55] schestowitz-TR and others [00:55] AdmFubar no wonder a saw only fedex and ups on my street today https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/aws-outage-impacts-ring-netflix-and-amazon-deliveries/ [00:55] Alternative link Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/aws-outage-impacts-ring-netflix-and-amazon-deliveries/ [00:55] TR Bot AWS outage impacts Ring, Netflix, and Amazon deliveries [00:55] schestowitz-TR all those software patents [00:55] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: ha [00:55] DaemonFC He made at least $100 million doing essentially nothing. [00:55] schestowitz-TR well, some of fedora is down [00:55] schestowitz-TR because racist ibm outsourced to bezos [00:55] DaemonFC Just legal threats to companies that made dial up modems. [00:55] schestowitz-TR yeah [00:55] schestowitz-TR I exposed another one like that [00:56] schestowitz-TR and then he sent me death wishes by email [00:56] schestowitz-TR I learned how to deal with those thugs over time [00:56] schestowitz-TR the patent trolls are very very rude [00:56] AdmFubar compromised with windows https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines [00:56] Alternative link Cloudflare: darkreading.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines [00:56] TR Bot Google Disrupts Botnet Targeting Windows Machines [00:56] schestowitz-TR they're like "get rich fact" schemers [00:56] schestowitz-TR *fast [00:57] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [00:57] TR News #gulag #microsoft #ProprietarySofwtare https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines see http://techrights.org/2021/10/29/microsoft-national-security-threat/ [00:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: darkreading.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/google-disrupts-botnet-targeting-windows-machines [00:57] TR Bot Microsoft: Still a National Security Threat | Techrights [00:58] schestowitz apropos, Gulagboy thinks I'm some noob [00:58] *scientes has quit (connection closed) [00:58] schestowitz who panics at the sight of some slappy lawyers [00:58] AdmFubar darkweb criminals have their own legal system? https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/the-dark-web-has-its-own-people-s-courts [00:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: darkreading.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/the-dark-web-has-its-own-people-s-courts [00:58] TR Bot The Dark Web Has Its Own People's Court [00:58] schestowitz AdmFubar: 'dark' web [00:58] schestowitz tell ibm [00:58] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@freenode/user/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [00:58] schestowitz they will cancel the term [00:58] schestowitz to hide their DARK past [00:59] TR News 4 RSS readers every Linux user should try Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158864 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:59] TR Bot 4 RSS readers every Linux user should try | Tux Machines [00:59] TR News #Tails 4.25 is out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158826#comment-32003 ● Dec 08 [01:00] TR Bot Tails 4.25 Anonymous Linux OS Released with New Backup Tool for Persistent Storage | Tux Machines [01:01] TR News Theres another (new) push to hold the #EPO accountable, seeing that the overseers clearly do not do their job and instead cover up the abuses Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/clare-daly-on-epo/ #Techrights #europe #patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/clare-daly-on-epo/ [01:01] TR Bot Clare Daly (GUE/NGL) Does What Every Public Official in Europe Should Have Done About EPO Shenanigans | Techrights [01:02] TR News The EPOs staff cannot be blamed for losing patience as elected public representatives completely fail to do their job (with few exceptions) Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ #Techrights #EPO #europe #patent #eu | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/07/epo-eu-assurances/ [01:02] TR Bot [Meme] EU Assurances | Techrights [01:04] DaemonFC schestowitz, Mandy's dentist called. COVID was a false alarm. [01:05] DaemonFC So I scheduled a replacement appointment on Thursday and he's just going to have to call in and cover it with personal time. [01:05] DaemonFC Oh well. It was either that or let the stupid insurance company keep over $300 in benefits for the calendar year! [01:06] DaemonFC The benefits are counted _after_ the discount. The discount is the biggest part of the reduction. [01:06] DaemonFC Before they start paying anything for like, a filling, they negotiate half of the price off with the dentist to be in their network. [01:06] DaemonFC Then they pay 80% of the remainder. [01:07] DaemonFC The dentist turns around and hits up cash patients, bad. [01:07] DaemonFC It's cartel-like behavior. [01:07] DaemonFC Because then more people see THOSE prices and sign up for the insurance so they can be protected from the dentist charging them the cash price. [01:08] TR News #Kubernetes 1.23: The Next Frontier Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158865 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:08] TR Bot Kubernetes 1.23: The Next Frontier | Tux Machines [01:09] DaemonFC The more work the dentist does, the better his breath is getting. [01:09] DaemonFC This has been a problem that should have been addressed many years ago. [01:10] DaemonFC I would have probably handled it before COVID, but I was already tapped out and juggling too many things. [01:11] TR News Release of #XigmaNAS 12.3.0.4 https://xigmanas.com/xnaswp/about/ #freesbsd #bsd #unix [01:11] TR Bot XigmaNAS [01:15] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/12/08/walmart-lets-orders-to-po-boxes-go-through-then-sends-them-to-fedex-which-cant-put-anything-in-a-po-box/ [01:15] TR Bot Walmart lets orders to PO Boxes go through, then sends them to FedEx, which cant put anything in a PO Box. 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There are around 400 such suicides a year in the UK. [01:55] DaemonFC I was unable to find any comparable info about the US." [01:56] DaemonFC Yes, but in the US most of the casinos and horse betting tracks are in Democrat-majority areas. [01:56] DaemonFC They're trying to put one in Chicago, and one in Waukegan. [01:56] DaemonFC That's despite the fact that they have not been the source of jobs or revenue they promised would fix the city finances in Joliet or Aurora. [01:57] DaemonFC If you want to go lose a fortune, there's still Vegas. And the weather is pretty nice right now. [01:58] DaemonFC Hard to imagine who would come to Chicago and risk the carjackings and shootings, to gamble in the middle of winter. [01:58] immibis "Since I can't get any work done, I decided to relax and order in some pizza. Then I tried ordering online from the Jet's Pizza site. 500 errors. lol. looked at network request headers. Its AWS....." [01:58] immibis DaemonFC: it sounds like you're trying and failing to make a political point. just say it [01:59] DaemonFC The resistance to gambling has usually been in conservative states. Every time it goes before the voters, it's a losing issue until the crooks in the legislature pass it anyway. [01:59] DaemonFC That's why Indiana didn't have a lottery until like 1990. ● Dec 08 [02:00] DaemonFC They tried selling the state lottery as "This will fund education and fix all of our K-12 budget problems!", then it didn't. [02:01] DaemonFC And now Stallman is promoting CNN. [02:01] DaemonFC :) [02:01] DaemonFC Gates and Bezos. OOOOhhhhh, don't stop. [02:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:05] DaemonFC Like most things the government promises, lotteries and casinos are a lie. [02:05] schestowitz-TR RMS links to CNN a lot [02:05] schestowitz-TR onion, omidyar, gates' guardian, cnn... [02:05] schestowitz-TR common dreams is good [02:05] schestowitz-TR some of the rest are not [02:05] DaemonFC It's a way to cut tax on the rich, and fund the state on the backs of people who buy a 1 in 800 million chance to become rich, with the state taking 60 cents on every dollar, and then taxing the payouts too. [02:06] schestowitz-TR reuters is also oligarchs' owned [02:06] schestowitz-TR but it's usually ok [02:06] schestowitz-TR washpo and newsweek oligarchs-owned [02:06] schestowitz-TR bloomberg and murdoch have their own [02:06] schestowitz-TR I avoid all those... when I cna [02:06] schestowitz-TR can [02:07] DaemonFC "*New York City sets Covid vaccine mandate for all private employers.*" -Stallman [02:07] DaemonFC Federal judge strikes down last Biden vaccine mandate. (for federal workers) [02:07] schestowitz-TR he must be happy [02:07] schestowitz-TR guardian told him this is freedo [02:07] schestowitz-TR and that not having mandate is bad for other people's freedom [02:07] DaemonFC RMS gives Free Software awards to a bunch of deranged psychopaths who sabotage Free Software. [02:08] DaemonFC So it stands to reason that he wouldn't know freedom if it bit him in the ass. [02:08] schestowitz-TR and who do not understand freedom of speech [02:08] schestowitz-TR they cancel him based on lies [02:08] schestowitz-TR and Torvalds too [02:08] schestowitz-TR and trashing postboxes with threats [02:08] schestowitz-TR true story [02:08] DaemonFC He's not going to get us there by giving Free Software Awards to a guy who implements Microsoft boot standards and plays with his Roomba. [02:09] schestowitz-TR maybe torvalds wrote that forced' apology' afeter someone had threatened to SUE [02:09] DaemonFC He derails the entire conversation about software freedom like this. [02:09] schestowitz-TR yeah [02:09] schestowitz-TR and bashes libeboot [02:09] schestowitz-TR leah know [02:09] schestowitz-TR libreboot bad [02:09] schestowitz-TR microsoft asked to sigh your distro... GOOD [02:10] schestowitz-TR GNU libreboot BAD [02:10] schestowitz-TR Microsoft... GOOD [02:10] DaemonFC I just turn "Secure Boot" off. [02:10] DaemonFC It doesn't do anything except get in my way. [02:10] DaemonFC It's not important. [02:10] schestowitz-TR lenovo askes you to [02:10] schestowitz-TR but they signed some secret OEM deal with MSFT [02:10] schestowitz-TR do this to get discount [02:10] schestowitz-TR else, pay a fine [02:10] leah i have been summoned [02:10] schestowitz-TR blackmail byn Micriosdoft [02:10] leah why have i been summoned [02:11] schestowitz-TR leah: fake freedom [02:11] schestowitz-TR and fake awards [02:11] schestowitz-TR from FSF [02:11] schestowitz-TR to peoplem who attack RMS [02:11] leah carry on. i will go grab coffee and read this conversation in a short while [02:11] *leah is an omnipetent ghost [02:11] schestowitz-TR and the spirit of the mission of the FSF [02:12] DaemonFC https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/06/china-attacks-us-style-democracy-prior-to-biden-summit [02:12] TR Bot China attacks US-style democracy prior to Biden summit | China | The Guardian [02:12] DaemonFC A "whole-process" democracy, complete with Great Firewall and Secret Police. [02:12] DaemonFC Very democratic. Criticize any of the Chinese politicians, nobody ever sees you again. [02:12] DaemonFC Terrific democracy! [02:13] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:13] DaemonFC The great thing about Western Democracies is most of us know the government is shit and the only thing you can do about it is try to limit the total harm to yourself with strategic voting. [02:13] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@6ujf8e7nw8qfi.irc) has joined #techrights [02:13] DaemonFC In China, they don't even get that much. [02:14] DaemonFC Again, democracy! "Socialist" democracy! [02:14] DaemonFC The government is a gigantic negative value proposition. [02:15] DaemonFC It saps the public dry with taxes and kills jobs with regulations designed to extort bigger bribes. [02:15] DaemonFC Stallman is a fool if he can't see this much. [02:15] DaemonFC It's like, you know, all of Illinois has been sucked dry by Chicago taxes and ruined by Chicago laws. [02:17] DaemonFC There's even videos about how awful Illinois is on Youtube, and all of the most awful things are that way either because of Chicago or because most of the politicians are from Chicago and no other region gets what it needs from the state government. [02:18] DaemonFC It's easier to leave than to do anything about it. So people leave. Sometimes they just abandon their house without even trying to sell it and let the government confiscate it for back taxes. [02:18] DaemonFC They just want out of here that much. [02:18] leah so [02:18] leah schestowitz-TR: DaemonFC can you please summarize the discussion thus far. clue me in [02:18] DaemonFC Oh, the FSF and Stallman being a bunch of fucking idiots. [02:18] leah just so i can get my bearings. from when i was pinged and before then. what's the theme [02:18] leah please elaborate [02:19] DaemonFC Stallman seems to be a very ineffective person. [02:19] DaemonFC They probably agreed to bring him back because he's a pushover. [02:20] DaemonFC He allows, like, this infestation of people who don't even use or promote Free Software, like Mr. Goolag. [02:20] DaemonFC They just get to camp out and get awards for taking us 10 giant steps backwards. [02:21] DaemonFC The FSF can't even get a small text editor project to snap into line. [02:21] leah context please [02:21] DaemonFC GNU Nano is only part of GNU because they won concessions. [02:21] DaemonFC It was the same list of concessions that Lucid was demanding with Emacs. [02:22] DaemonFC The whole of GNU is falling apart and turning into "open source". [02:22] DaemonFC Some of it has been that way for years in exchange for lots of corporate cash and development work. [02:22] DaemonFC But we're talking core components at this point. [02:24] DaemonFC https://www.christopherprice.net/gplv4-starting-the-conversation-2580.html [02:24] TR Bot GPLv4 Starting the Conversation | Christopher Price [02:24] DaemonFC Who is this fucking idiot anyway? [02:25] DaemonFC Literally the first thing on his wish list would protect Donald Trump from his social media platform's GPL violation. [02:26] leah ok, i'm fully caught up [02:28] leah schestowitz-TR: GNU Libreboot didn't really makes sense on a technical level. In retrospect, going the FSDG route back then might have been a better approach. But yes, I can infer from context what you were talking about, and I agree with what you said: fuck mjg59. [02:29] leah he bashed libreboot from day one, and legitimized secureboot within x86 space [02:29] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [02:29] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 7.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 117.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.70 [02:30] leah However, lately I've been looking at things in a very different light. I'm not any sides at the moment. I'm building my own side, instead. [02:30] leah have you seen the conversations i've been starting lately, about federation [02:30] schestowitz-TR leah: he threatens me with lawyers now [02:31] schestowitz-TR such a freedom-loving man ;-) [02:31] leah why does he threaten you? [02:31] schestowitz-TR ANOTHER FSF award [02:31] schestowitz-TR leah: freedom of speech [02:31] leah another fsf award? [02:31] schestowitz-TR he struggles to find a job [02:31] schestowitz-TR because people can see what he is [02:32] leah a careerist pig who has no values whatsoever and simply wants to insert his penis into everything? [02:33] schestowitz-TR he said here in irc [02:33] schestowitz-TR that if we don'y go to foss events for sec [02:33] schestowitz-TR then we are "missing out" [02:33] AdmFubar https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-loses-first-pirate-site-blocking-appeal-in-germany-211206/ [02:33] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-loses-first-pirate-site-blocking-appeal-in-germany-211206/ [02:33] TR Bot Quad9 Loses First Pirate Site Blocking Appeal in Germany * TorrentFreak [02:33] leah i became disillusioned with the fsf in the last few years, precisely because of people like him being in it. and the overall direction and focus of the fsf being lacklustre at best. i saw that they were holding the movement back [02:33] schestowitz-TR and later he goes around accusing rms and torvalds of being hostile to women [02:33] schestowitz-TR btw, he stalks us in irc [02:33] schestowitz-TR does not seem like healthy behaviour [02:34] leah however, this year, i saw a great opportunity to rekindle things and realign the movement back into a people-powered one [02:34] schestowitz-TR 24/7 stalking [02:34] leah i want corporations to have less control, and for all the freedom movements to unify in a grand federation [02:34] schestowitz-TR yes [02:34] schestowitz-TR I agree [02:34] leah free software, oshw/right to repair (riscv plays a key part), free art/culture, all kinds of stuff [02:35] leah right now, the problem i see is one of infrastructure [02:35] leah stuff like github for instance. ariadne recently told me about a project called ForgeFed, which is a fork of ActivityPub for implementing federated git code forges [02:35] leah apparently, gitea and gitlab are implementing support [02:36] leah right now, the problem we face is that huge corporations have co-opted the freedom movements everywhere, and basically "whitewashed" it, for want of a better word [02:36] leah kind of like in the movie "They Live" where everything is skewed towards money [02:37] *betsy has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:37] leah i want to start a project teaching people how to host their own services. including how to get round isp restrictions by tunneling via l2tp/vpn and so on [02:37] leah also promote stuff like tor [02:37] leah federated freedom foundation, so to speak [02:38] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-071221.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-071221.txt GEMINI: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-071221.txt [02:38] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 [02:38] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [02:38] leah a living, breathing organisation, not necessarily incorporated in law, but woven into our social structure [02:38] leah a newly unstoppable federation of freedom [02:38] leah one that nitwits like mjg59 can't fuck with [02:38] schestowitz-TR federation is good [02:38] schestowitz-TR you should see this: [02:38] leah a complete evolution of the fsf and others like it [02:38] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/Free_Software_Federation [02:38] TR Bot Free Software Federation - Techrights [02:39] leah building on their strengths but not just thinking outside the box: colonising the entire universe instead [02:39] TR News Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. 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[02:40] leah as soon as it's ready, i'm publishing the first draft [02:40] schestowitz we need to topple this bad order [02:40] leah and will get as many people as possible to review it [02:40] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. 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HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-071221.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-071221.txt GEMINI: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-071221.txt [02:41] TR Bot IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 [02:41] leah i'm expecting it to continue to exist, but in a weakened state [02:41] leah when i tried to become ED, i had these kinds of ideas in mind. though my thinking back then was less developed than it is now [02:42] leah i completely misjudged everything entirely, this year. and now i'm working on something better. on my terms [02:42] leah so i'm not picking any sides right now. like i said, i'm building my own [02:42] leah i have no faith in the fsf [02:42] leah rms appears to be allowing it to just fall apart. probably bathing in former glory, remembering the good old days [02:43] schestowitz-TR no [02:43] schestowitz-TR rms does ok [02:43] schestowitz-TR he's in a tough position [02:43] schestowitz-TR because he's stalked and hounded [02:43] leah and i find this very sad. a lot of us have reached our hand out to him, and his fsf [02:43] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:43] schestowitz-TR the cancel mob looks to have another go/round [02:43] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [02:43] TR News Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-12-07.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2021-12-07.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:43] leah i've cut ties, you know [02:43] schestowitz-TR I know [02:43] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [02:43] leah but i'm not opposing him [02:43] schestowitz-TR but that does not mean you oppose them [02:43] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:43] schestowitz-TR yeah [02:43] schestowitz-TR haha, beat me to it [02:43] leah he is not my enemy. but he is no longer my hero [02:43] schestowitz-TR we said the same thing [02:44] leah i've told him, directly: [02:44] leah i will replace you [02:44] leah :P [02:44] schestowitz-TR not a wise thing to say [02:44] schestowitz-TR but whatever.. [02:44] schestowitz-TR we can make many clones [02:44] leah i want him on board [02:44] schestowitz-TR of sorts [02:44] schestowitz-TR that would make many thinkers like him [02:44] leah what i have in mind is far advanced compared to the status quo we've known [02:44] schestowitz-TR who have more capcity [02:45] leah we need to smash that status quo in its entirety, and build the federation [02:45] leah the problem is a very human one: [02:45] leah organisations like the fsf were innovative for their time, but have lost their way in a world that has far outgrown them. but these organisations try to cling on and continue to run things, [02:45] leah and [02:46] leah they are single points of failure for people like mjg59 and his ilk to conquer [02:46] leah we're stuck in the past [02:46] leah and i want to build the next 30 years [02:47] leah what i'm thinking of is not even a new idea, and much of the necessary infrastructure and people already exist [02:47] leah but we need to get organized [02:47] schestowitz-TR yup [02:47] leah the people that will lead this new movement (not me. i only want to help get it going) exist, and are active [02:47] leah but they are sequestered [02:47] leah distracted [02:47] schestowitz-TR we are stronger in numbers [02:47] leah we are high in number, but divided [02:47] schestowitz-TR also, we have more people sympathetic to our cause [02:47] schestowitz-TR if they know about it [02:47] schestowitz-TR mindless consumers can be swayed [02:48] leah and what i plan is a unified coup against the current corruption we've known [02:48] schestowitz-TR the oligarchs are very few [02:48] leah reshape everything to what *people* want [02:48] leah and that is: freedom [02:48] schestowitz-TR and they control maybe one million geeks with salaries [02:48] leah what people want is freedom [02:48] schestowitz-TR but that leaves billions minus one million [02:48] schestowitz-TR their 'tech merecenaries' [02:48] leah lots of people though believe it is impossible, precisely because of this disunity. we need only a few people to create a spark, and get the ball rolling [02:48] leah "build it, and they will come" [02:48] schestowitz-TR gemini is like this [02:49] leah i've chosen to reveal myself here because i didn't intend to keep it a secret. i've completely charged course, over the last few months, and especially the last few weeks [02:49] leah i'm thinking bigger [02:50] leah the discussion earlier about RMS is not the one we need to be having. we need to be thinking about the post-fsf world that is already taking shape now. the fsf is dying, and in my opinion, does not want to be saved [02:50] leah as evidenced by the fact that many of us, including myself, are being turned away or not even approached by them [02:51] leah the events of early 2021 were a death knell either way: either they would have canned rms and the fsf would have been "fine" but overrun by corporate influences, as was already extremely evident [02:51] leah or [02:51] leah it would just die [02:52] leah but earlier this year, i didn't see the latter scenario. i thought we were helping to save it. but no matter how that situation would have gone, it was doomed [02:52] leah case in point... [02:52] leah 12-4 = 8 [02:52] leah ok yes [02:52] leah just over 8 months [02:52] leah 8 months have passed. no new staff. most staff left. and they still haven't found a new ED [02:53] leah stuff isn't getting done [02:53] leah it's precisely because of those events, that i now wish to build the new federation, which i've alluded to today [02:53] leah a federation is less likely to be corrupted, or overthrown. because a federation is inherently democratic [02:54] leah democratic is the key word here [02:54] leah what we've had so far is basically benevolent dictatorship. only now it's benign [02:54] leah we need to move on [02:55] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [02:55] DaemonFC i became disillusioned with the fsf in the last few years, precisely because of people like him being in it. and the overall direction and focus of the fsf being lacklustre at best. i saw that they were holding the movement back [02:55] leah schestowitz-TR: and you know what? something tells me that people like mjg59 wanted rms to remain at the fsf this year [02:55] DaemonFC There is no direction of the FSF anymore. [02:55] DaemonFC They're turning into another Linux Foundation. [02:55] leah schestowitz-TR: the current state of things was predicted by the people in his side [02:55] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [02:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [02:56] leah schestowitz-TR: molly db and her ilk all knew that rms's position at the fsf was secure [02:56] leah we were manipulated [02:56] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [02:56] leah they are probably very happy with the current state of things [02:57] leah it was all subterfuge. i realized this, and have walked away [02:58] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/08/nasa_asteroid_algorithm/ [02:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/08/nasa_asteroid_algorithm/ [02:58] TR Bot NASA has a new algorithm to track near-Earth asteroids The Register [02:58] leah divide and conquer. so i decided: [02:58] leah why not seek to unify instead? [02:58] DaemonFC Debian followed the FSF's strange tear about device firmware for some reason. [02:59] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/facebook_genocide_rohingya/ [02:59] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/facebook_genocide_rohingya/ [02:59] TR Bot Meta sued for $150B by Rohingya refugees escaping Myanmar The Register [02:59] DaemonFC x86 PCs are basically unusable without it, so it brings about this very Windows XP-like Press F8 to load a driver thing. ● Dec 08 [03:01] XRevan86 DaemonFC: Next thing ye will ask why Libreboot strips off processor microcode bundling. [03:01] leah "i know" [03:01] XRevan86 It's an iffy subject. [03:01] leah schestowitz-TR: how did you know? perhaps you read my blog [03:01] leah i've been meaning to touch base with you [03:02] DaemonFC There's pretty much no control over x86 and Libreboot seems to be restricted to the Core 2 era or something. [03:02] schestowitz-TR leah: yes, I read the blog [03:02] schestowitz-TR rss [03:03] leah schestowitz-TR: just so we're clear, i deleted my rms article [03:03] schestowitz-TR it had its days and impact [03:03] leah but i have no intentions of fighting or opposing rms. i do still think he's an amazing person, and i thank him for starting our movement [03:04] leah i've merely outgrown him and seen through all the nonsense. i'm going off on my own and starting my own thing [03:04] leah i've told him he can be involved, if he wants [03:04] leah i don't need him. but if he wants to help build the new movement, his will be a powerful voice that can be used for good [03:04] leah instead of the totally benign state of affairs we've seen in recent months [03:05] AdmFubar https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/07/apple-china-deal-tim-cook [03:05] leah i actually still fully agree with the mission of the free software movement. and it's precisely because of that that i have to walk away from the fsf. i think their goose is cooked, more or less [03:05] TR Bot Tim Cook reportedly signed five-year $275bn deal with Chinese officials | Apple | The Guardian [03:06] leah we need something better. truly better, not the crap that gafam and their puppets at gnome foundation / osi tried to shove down our throats [03:07] leah giant corporations didn't give us free software [03:07] leah people did [03:07] leah giant corperations didn't have us the right to repair movement [03:07] leah louis rossman and several others did [03:08] leah giant corporations didn't have us free art/culture movement [03:08] leah creative commons did [03:08] leah i could go on [03:12] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [03:13] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [03:15] schestowitz-TR CC is compromised [03:15] schestowitz-TR the org [03:15] schestowitz-TR not the movement or the concept [03:18] leah which is why we need the federation [03:18] leah the federation already exists. but it's not big enough [03:19] leah we can focus on educating people how to set up their own projects and infrastructure, free of such influences [03:19] schestowitz-TR social control media is junk [03:19] schestowitz-TR we need to dfederate blog [03:19] schestowitz-TR there's this thing called rss feeds ;-) [03:19] schestowitz-TR which is working rather well for federation;-) [03:20] leah we need more federation [03:21] leah and we need better ideological leadership in the freedom movement [03:21] leah i simply call it the freedom movement now, in my head. free software is a part of it. a critical part, but not the only part [03:21] schestowitz-TR right. 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[03:26] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [03:28] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [03:31] leah anyway [03:31] leah i hope i made a positive contribution to earlier's discussion [03:32] schestowitz-TR lots of ground covered [03:32] leah this was all in my head, driving me mad. i've decided to just own it [03:32] leah there is a lot of great potential for our movements, currently being squandered. we can do much better [03:32] leah and we will [03:33] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.85 k/sec., IPFS upstream 82.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.66 [03:33] IPFS QmUNbGTar72DvDUxqyAh6Jdzfvu4JHUqaTFKqWpu9P64bk [03:33] IPFS New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above. [03:33] leah and people like mjg59 are scared shitless about people like me. i'm not alone either. i've been testing the waters, expressing these ideas in a few places. people love my idea [03:33] leah the people that just want power currently have it, and are afraid to lose it [03:33] leah and they will [03:34] leah right now they mock us [03:34] schestowitz-TR freedom is always under attacked [03:34] schestowitz-TR the question is, from who [03:34] schestowitz-TR people who play with "Smart" things are not my friends [03:34] schestowitz-TR they are more like informants [03:35] leah mjg59 is actually fairly benign. the only reason he has power is because the fsf temporarily gave it to him. and then there's google or whoever he works for now [03:35] leah he is not an individual, as such. he is a vessel, owned by someone else. he is a symbol of what happens when you sell out [03:35] schestowitz-TR yes [03:36] leah i wonder if such people will try to cancel me in the future [03:36] leah i can see how they'd do it. but i'm not as vulnerable as their previous targets [03:37] leah watch the movie They Live and then re-read this chat log [03:37] leah lol [03:38] leah the center cannot hold [03:38] schestowitz-TR being cancel isn't a 'thing' [03:38] schestowitz-TR accepting it "is" [03:38] schestowitz-TR RMS did not accept it [03:38] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:39] leah what do you mean by that? [03:39] schestowitz "People said I should accept the world. Bullshit! I don't accept the world." [03:39] schestowitz RMS said he was canceled [03:39] schestowitz but he came back [03:39] schestowitz sort of [03:39] schestowitz it was a phony scandal [03:39] leah he never left [03:41] leah there is another aspect to this, though, that i don't think you're seeing [03:41] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [03:41] leah do you think rms is ultimately a force for good, in the year 2021? [03:41] leah (in practise, in terms of everyday action) [03:42] schestowitz-TR he'll be ok [03:43] schestowitz-TR he has health issues [03:43] schestowitz-TR but he has been saying it for 2 decades [03:43] leah there are two aspects: intentions, and actions [03:43] leah rms has pure intentions [03:43] schestowitz-TR 4am , gn, must rush to sleep [03:44] leah yes, very well [03:44] schestowitz-TR thanks for the chat [03:44] schestowitz-TR not escaping [03:44] schestowitz-TR just suprt-tired [03:44] schestowitz-TR and got many articles to finalise [03:44] schestowitz-TR exclusives [03:44] leah your work is important, so i won't keep you. get some sleep [03:45] schestowitz-TR gn [03:46] leah tl;dr rms is fine, but we need to think to the future. the old guard have lost control, and corporations are exploiting that power vacuum. *we* need to blow the state and build the freedom federation instead [03:46] leah we have better ideas, and more people [03:49] leah i figure i'm only 30 years old. so i'll do my part, and keep going. i can't rely on the old guard [03:49] leah we need to think for ourselves and rethink everything. or we will lose. the old status quo is completely dead. it already occured. i've merely realized that, in recent months [03:50] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [03:50] leah *we* need to take initiatives. don't leave it up to the leader. the leaders are all dead, dying or corrupt. we will replace them [03:57] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:57] *techrights_guest|12 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [03:57] *mib_04abvr (~8831dd5e@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights ● Dec 08 [04:02] *mib_04abvr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [04:21] DaemonFC mjg59 is actually fairly benign. the only reason he has power is because the fsf temporarily gave it to him. and then there's google or whoever he works for now [04:21] DaemonFC Not even Goolag wanted him. [04:25] DaemonFC The whole Damore thing showed that Google rules with a Culture of Fear. [04:25] DaemonFC And they have a lot of people like the SJW trolls who feel like it's their job to punish people for having an opinion that isn't like theirs. [04:26] DaemonFC So imagine how bad the conduct was for someone on Team SJW to be shown the door. 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[05:24] DaemonFC I don't know what other brands they make. I don't buy brands, usually. [05:25] kingoffrance giant corporations didn't give us free software / people did that is an understatement. a corporation is a charter/idea/spirit without a body. not trying to be spooky, but incorporate: to give a body to. put another way: corporations need people to "represent them", else they are "dead" (or shall we say "not incarnated"). it is much more fundamental: corporations need people to exist. not the other way around [05:25] kingoffrance once you have 2 people (or marriage, or....) then you have "one body" too, so they are perhaps unavoidable [05:26] kingoffrance corporations are just hypothetical people that live forever (or until charter expires) -- but they need people "representing" them to do anything [05:26] kingoffrance artificial persons, whatever [05:26] kingoffrance they have no body of their own [05:27] AdmFubar about haveway down their page is a list of their brand product... but I'm sure they co-pack and private label for others [05:27] kingoffrance *once you have a group of people acting jointly [05:29] kingoffrance they are an abstract group of people, joined, pretend its one giant person :) [05:30] kingoffrance they are literally imitation people [05:31] kingoffrance maybe my point is, even if corporations did give people free software , that was still just people :D [05:31] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 7.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 182.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.58 [05:32] kingoffrance they cant exist without people :D [05:41] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:42] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:58] *mib_04abvr (~8831dd5e@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights ● Dec 08 [06:00] leah what the fuck is goolag [06:00] leah and what's the damore thing [06:01] leah schestowitz-TR: Demonfc mentioned it. do you know? [06:03] *mib_04abvr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [06:07] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:10] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [06:13] *CParadoxum_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:17] leah also [06:18] leah it's interesting that my cursed rss generator actually works. you mentioned earlier about rss on my blog. i don't actually use rss myself, but i inherited that feature from what my static site generator is a fork of [06:19] leah i refactored a lot of that code [06:30] *CParadoxum_ (~quassel@m4gsqtdgyy73q.irc) has joined #techrights [06:30] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 133.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.54 [06:45] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #techrights [06:53] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@6msztc2mupc3w.irc) has joined #techrights [06:53] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [06:56] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:59] *mib_04abvr (~8831dd5e@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights ● Dec 08 [07:04] *mib_04abvr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [07:06] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [07:06] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [07:10] *mib_04abvr (~8831dd5e@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [07:15] *mib_04abvr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [07:31] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 7.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 225.81 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.49 [07:57] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Dec 08 [08:00] *mib_04abvr (~8831dd5e@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [08:05] *mib_04abvr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [08:08] *inky_ (~inky@5.77.152.146) has joined #techrights [08:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [08:11] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [08:16] *altlink_72d has quit (connection closed) [08:16] kingoffrance i think goolag is just his way of referring to google gulag [08:16] *altlink_9ac (~altlink_9ac@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [08:29] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 128.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.45 [08:40] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:40] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:40] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [08:41] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [08:52] *mib_04abvr (~8831dd5e@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights ● Dec 08 [09:02] TR News #Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158868 #Linux #TuxMachines [09:02] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:02] TR News #Ubuntu Vs. #AmazonLinux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158867 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:02] TR Bot Ubuntu Vs. Amazon Linux | Tux Machines [09:02] TR News Upcoming #CutefishOS Could Topple #Deepin as the Most Beautiful Linux Distro Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158866 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:02] TR Bot Upcoming CutefishOS Could Topple Deepin as the Most Beautiful Linux Distro | Tux Machines [09:03] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, December 07, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [09:03] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [09:03] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [09:03] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [09:05] TR News "It is not a foundation to advance Linux it is a foundation to advance its members' interests within Linux. That is the inverse of what people generally expect." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-071221.html#tDec%2007%2016:02:11 [09:05] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 [09:06] TR News #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/irc-log-071221/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/irc-log-071221/ [09:06] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 | Techrights [09:06] TR News Looking at the #linuxfoundation report in #irc at #techrights http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-071221.html#tDec%2007%2000:36:32 [09:06] TR Bot IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 [09:06] TR News Following My Complaint, Protocols and Providers in the #NHS Are Changed http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/12/08/yorkshire-health-solutions-changes/ #uk #england #health [09:06] TR Bot Blog Archive Following My Complaint, Protocols and Providers in the NHS Are Changed [09:09] schestowitz [03:50] *we* need to take initiatives. don't leave it up to the leader. the leaders are all dead, dying or corrupt. we will replace them [09:09] schestowitz I would not phrase it like that [09:09] schestowitz but generally, yes... the young always replace the old. I'm still 39. [09:09] schestowitz [06:00] and what's the damore thing [09:09] schestowitz Did you not hear? [09:09] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google%27s_Ideological_Echo_Chamber [09:09] TR Bot Google's Ideological Echo Chamber - Wikipedia [09:15] TR News "Now, the reason I interested in gemini is that I'd like to understand and simplify my computing world as well as disentangle myself from the sticky surveillance web." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007658.html [09:15] TR Bot [Off Topic] WiFi HaLow, Mesh, and Low Powered Devices [09:19] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:26] TR News NEWS #TechRepublic 4 RSS readers every Linux user should try https://www.techrepublic.com/article/rss-readers-linux-users/ [09:26] Alternative link Cloudflare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/rss-readers-linux-users/ [09:26] TR Bot RSS readers every Linux user should try - TechRepublic [09:27] TR News NEWS #TheVerge #5G now means some flights wont be able to land when pilots cant see the runway https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22822875/5g-faa-rule-c-band-landing-airport-bad-weather-visibility [09:27] TR Bot 5G now means some flights wont be able to land when pilots cant see the runway - The Verge [09:32] leah i hear nothing. i see nothing. i simply feel the world around me [09:33] leah and occasionally people feed me data on irc [09:33] leah thanks, i'll read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google%27s_Ideological_Echo_Chamber now [09:33] leah my life is too worth living to care about other people's problems. unless they affect me, or i see other people's bullshit as world ending [09:34] leah similarly, that wikipedia article is a solid tl;dr [09:35] leah is it basically just some guy getting fired for being a dick to women? [09:35] leah (i skimmed it) [09:36] leah "free speech" yeah. i just read more of it. bullshit. you get employed at a company, you keep your head down and you do your job [09:36] leah imo [09:37] leah not worth anyone's time. but you know how the media is, how sensationalist it is, how it feeds on people's empathy and turns it against them [09:39] leah coming from an oppressed group of people myself, i kinda look at any criticism of diversity requirements in the workplace to be a solid nope [09:39] leah especially in tech [09:40] leah but people will draw their own conclusions. i don't care. if you're an asshole at work, you get fired. end of story [09:40] leah being kind to others and not questioning their right to exist is usually a better approach [09:41] TR News Got police records, added to http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant/ #github #copilot ... led by criminals. #microsoft #deletegithub [09:41] TR Bot Microsoft GitHub Expos Part IX Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot Sought to be Arrested One Day After Techrights Article About Him | Techrights [09:42] leah if you're from a privileged group, you don't get to bitch about your "freedom of speech" when it relates to a policy designed to empower the very under-privileged group that you are not a part of and have no incentive to feel empathy for [09:42] leah i have now read the entire article [09:43] leah your thoughts? [09:44] leah from what i can tell, that dude deserved to be canned. and i hope he'll be more sensitive to others, in the future [09:45] leah "The memo and Google's subsequent dismissal of Damore in August 2017 became a subject of interest for the media. " [09:45] leah what media? which media companies [09:45] leah i can guess which ones :P [09:50] Ariadne fox news, newsmax, etc [09:51] Ariadne freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences [09:51] leah this [09:51] Ariadne if you write a manifesto to a diversity executive describing women as being biologically unfit to work in the tech industry, welp [09:51] Ariadne play stupid games, win stupid prizes [09:52] leah if i chew you up and spit you out for calling me a fag in #libreboot, your right to free speech is still intact. it's just that you've now earned my wrath [09:52] activelow i do not remember such an argument was ever made [09:52] Ariadne that was the primary thesis of the james damore manifesto [09:53] activelow i did read it, and do not remember he argued "unfit to work in tech"... [09:53] activelow Ariadne: citation? [09:53] TR News [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of #GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ [09:53] TR Bot [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights [09:57] Ariadne activelow: he cites simon cohen-baron, author of a totally debunked set of theories on this topic [09:57] leah i have a *really* easy solution for everyone [09:57] leah just be nice to others. and see other human beings as sentient lifeforms that want to help you and make the world a better place, just like you [09:58] leah stop arbitrarily separating people on meaningless criteria. equality guidelines in the workplace are a good thing [09:58] leah writing a paper that argues against such things takes effort [09:58] leah whereas being nice takes zero effort, and you might even make a friend [09:58] leah think about it ● Dec 08 [10:00] leah and those guidelines are usually woefully inadequate btw, in most workplaces [10:00] leah as in, they will completely miss out on many different demographics [10:01] leah for instance talking about making the workforce 50/50 men/women, but they'll make no mention of non-binary people, and continue to not hire non-binary people because they dressed funny at the interview [10:02] Ariadne tbh, employers requiring college education instead of actual demonstration of skills (like a portfolio of work) for tech jobs is the primary reason tech is a sausage fest [10:02] schestowitz-TR very true! [10:02] leah what is true schestowitz-TR, what i said or what Ariadne said? [10:02] leah (i also agree with what ariadne just said) [10:02] schestowitz-TR about formal ed versus skills/experience [10:03] schestowitz-TR it's encouraging diploma mills [10:03] schestowitz-TR same for :certs" [10:03] Ariadne it is intentional gatekeeping that is biased towards privileged men [10:03] leah my resume sucks [10:03] schestowitz-TR which sometimes just mean amecica-style questions [10:03] leah i actually wrote a cv as a joke once [10:03] schestowitz-TR and some weeks of memorising stuff [10:03] leah i'm unemployable [10:03] schestowitz-TR *American-style [10:03] Ariadne it's funny, i get companies emailing me to come work for them to help them manage their deployments of *things I wrote* [10:03] leah and yet i run circles around many of my peers [10:03] leah i've done things they don't even teach in university [10:04] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@svp6nvmiuarba.irc) has joined #techrights [10:04] Ariadne and then they are like you have to have XYZ degree with XYZ GPA and blah blah [10:04] leah i could teach a class [10:04] schestowitz leah: read http://techrights.org/2021/11/29/teaching-cybersecurity/ [10:04] TR Bot Dr. Andy Farnell on Teaching Cybersecurity in an Age of Fake Security | Techrights [10:04] Ariadne like, you're reaching out to me, to do work for you, on things i've written that you use, but i have to prove my domain expertise? really? [10:05] leah and then some jackass writes a book about something completely inferior, and gets emmy buzz [10:05] activelow technology and science are in very bad shape [10:05] activelow unsustainable, clusterfucked beyond repair [10:06] leah Ariadne: and what you do is highly innovative and actually making a big difference in the world [10:06] leah alpine is amazing [10:06] schestowitz > Please redact the address and name of the victim for her safety. That is [10:06] schestowitz > her home address, not his. [10:06] schestowitz oops [10:06] schestowitz I forgot [10:06] leah ? [10:06] schestowitz-TR http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ [10:06] TR Bot [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights [10:06] leah anyway [10:07] leah people get worked up about the completely wrong things [10:07] leah schestowitz-TR: most "security" people are bullshit [10:07] leah i guess what you refer to as "fake security" [10:09] leah a certain person previously mentioned here rants about how libreboot on gm45 thinkpads lack a tpm, and regularly tweets about secureboot nonsense (which only signs the bootloader, and in a completely asinine way) [10:10] leah meanwhile, i'm telling people AHCI/SATA devices are potentially insecure due to the theoretically possibility of DMA attacks, telling them how to set up fully encrypted systems on USB flash drives, and showing them how to gpg-check their linux kernel at boot time [10:10] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [10:10] leah and explaining to them why usb is safer, due to lack of dma, and how even if the usb host controller is malicious, all it can do is basically dd if=/dev/zero your data [10:11] leah if said data is encrypted [10:11] leah kinda the same principle as https as a defense against men in the middle attacks [10:12] leah and this, based on one evening with someone on #coreboot irc studying the AHCI spec [10:12] leah and finding an obscure paragraph in it [10:12] leah :P [10:13] leah all of this is on libreboot.org [10:13] leah and done out of boredom [10:14] activelow i am planning to drop GNU compiler, if possible, and replace it with pcc; to let the fsf know [10:14] activelow gcc is a monstrosity of vendor specific malicious extensions [10:14] leah well that's not important [10:14] activelow GCC is the #1 project of the FSF [10:14] leah use llvm [10:15] activelow certainly not [10:15] leah pcc? [10:15] activelow i fiddled for weeks, to cleanup the dependency graph already [10:16] *inky_ (~inky@5.77.254.89) has joined #techrights [10:16] leah http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/ right? [10:16] activelow yes, pcc the original *nix compiler [10:16] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/ ) [10:16] leah interesting [10:16] activelow currently, i re-integrate gcc-4.7.4 into my gentoo-profile, with all c++ removed, as a first measure [10:17] leah sounds fun [10:17] activelow it is an awful hackjob [10:17] leah schestowitz-TR: "industry" is bullshit [10:17] leah the real work is done by people who get no recognition [10:17] Ariadne 90% of security industry is hoarding vulnerability data and not letting people get access to it [10:18] schestowitz-TR ^^ [10:19] leah if you want to get rich off of someone else's work, give them "exciting opportunities" and a company car [10:19] leah or better yet [10:20] leah download it from their git repository [10:20] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [10:21] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [10:21] leah i've met tons of really cool people that get completely sequestered by that, and end up making the world worse [10:21] leah because their work is hoarded by their boss [10:21] leah activelow: what is your project? [10:21] leah that you are using pcc for [10:22] activelow leah: one idea is i can retain a 100% source-based workflow on low-power embedded systems [10:23] activelow before that, i removed c++ and all dependencies, and gcc-4.7.4 is the last known Gnu compiler which doesn't require c++ to bootstrap itself [10:24] activelow next, i'll replace gcc with pcc and see what breaks; and finally, i can drop gcc entirely (never merged llvm/clang) [10:24] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [10:25] activelow furthermore, most free/opensource hardware is limited to low-power embedded [10:26] *betsy has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:26] activelow leah: however i do not think the gap from opensource software to fully opensource hardware can be bridged [10:26] leah why not? [10:26] activelow opensource hardware is mostly limited to gigatron ttl, z80 or mos6502 era systems [10:26] activelow which is, at best 16bit Unix [10:27] leah z80 can play alex kidd at least [10:27] activelow interesting sidenote: former kernel hacker Alan Cox departed into 16bit unix real, with FuzixOS [10:27] leah what do you think about riscv [10:27] activelow *realm [10:27] activelow leah: i won't touch risc-v [10:27] leah why not [10:27] activelow for both, political and practical reasons [10:28] leah and what do/will you touch [10:28] activelow risc-v requires backporting to compilers/kernel-versions which would be barely acceptable, if at all [10:28] activelow leah: j-core.org could be a better choice for 32bit unix, then PCC compiler supports various targets [10:29] activelow for some of them Verilog is available for FPGA deployment: sparc64 (sparc leon), mips, 68k; and the microcontrollers mentioned above [10:29] activelow although, i do not recommend any of them, there is problems with all of them [10:30] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [10:30] activelow and the only system which may be truly 100% opensource and free is the gigatron ttl project [10:30] activelow needless to say, the gap between this type of open/free hardware and gnu/linux is gigantic [10:31] leah i see, so you aren't seeking any sort of nuance inbetween [10:31] leah you want to control every aspect [10:32] *inky (~inky@31.7.162.99) has joined #techrights [10:32] activelow no, i only verify if it would at least be possible to do a review; of cause i cannot review and control everything, and i do not want to either [10:33] leah this is a bit heavy for me since i'm starting to feel the urge to take a nap [10:33] leah but what you're describing sounds cool [10:33] *betsy has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:34] leah interesting, i checked j-core.org at your recommendation [10:34] leah i've read about SuperH before [10:34] TR News #microsoft ... SO #woke ... hiring and thus protecting (from ARREST) men who repeatedly assault MULTIPLE women. Hiring them for TOP roles, IN SPITE of warnings from their victims http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ [10:34] TR Bot [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights [10:35] leah the context at the time was, a friend and i were laughing at a video of how the name is actually pronounced in japanese [10:35] activelow i do not explicitely recommend j-core.org; the SH2 ISA Verilog is available, however the devs could not deploy without malicious Xilinx tooling [10:36] leah and how it sounded similar to another word in that language which was a bit lewd (and also i'm interested in retro console stuff, and like to learn about those old machines. SuperH was used on the sega saturn right?) [10:36] activelow and j-core has another important advantage: gcc supported this ISA for decades [10:36] activelow linux kernel too does [10:40] leah i wish i could still find the video [10:40] leah something is compelling me to ask you: have you ever heard of a project called 86box? [10:41] activelow not yet leah [10:41] leah https://86box.net/ it's not related at all to what you're discussing, except i think you'd find this project very interesting [10:41] TR Bot 86Box | Emulator of retro x86-based machines [10:41] leah as an academic exercise [10:42] leah it's not fpga stuff. it's a software-based x86 emulator. focusing on accuracy [10:42] activelow i think i prefer the gigatron for this type of studies [10:42] leah there's a recent fork of it called pcbox, which has pentium3 support with sse fully emulated [10:42] leah not verilog stuff though [10:43] leah but i find what you're working on cool too [10:43] leah well, the reason i bring up 86box/pcbox is because, in the future, i see the possibility of implementing completely accurate x86 systems on FPGA [10:44] activelow i won't touch any x86 [10:44] activelow waste of time and efforts [10:44] leah the emulator is quite competent. though due to its very nature, on even the latest hardware, it only runs the emulated machines at a few percent real time speed [10:44] leah well, older stuff is going to be full speed. newer stuff is very slow [10:44] leah yeah well, you're talking about that j-core site [10:44] leah and it's talking about fpga stuff [10:44] activelow i have absolutely zero interest in the Wintel platform [10:45] *inky has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:45] activelow my favorite would be the gigatron, however i haven't got one yet, and before this i will finish some embedded-linux distro for personal use [10:45] leah there have been instances in the past where fpga's were literally made because emulators were very competent, and a good reference to describe how the systems function [10:45] TR News Proprietary [10:45] *inky (~inky@31.7.162.99) has joined #techrights [10:45] leah e.g. MiSTER [10:45] TR News NEWS #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware Microsoft a big part of the cyber security problem: Proofpoint exec https://itwire.com/security/microsoft-a-big-part-of-the-cyber-security-problem-proofpoint-exec.html [10:45] Alternative link Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/security/microsoft-a-big-part-of-the-cyber-security-problem-proofpoint-exec.html [10:45] TR Bot - Microsoft a big part of the cyber security problem: Proofpoint exec [10:45] leah i'd like to learn verilog, one day [10:46] activelow maybe, even this isn't necessary, the gigatron is build from ttl chips [10:46] activelow and most FPGA/Verilog/VHDL related tooling is malicious and proprietary [10:46] leah that name keeps triggering me and ive just realized why [10:47] leah in the videogame "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" there's an advert on the in-game car radio, that talks about a computer gaming system called the gigatron [10:47] activelow and hardware too can be designed without verilog; with pencil and paper, down to the digital circuitry [10:47] leah i'm not making that up either [10:47] activelow including hazard free designs [10:47] leah i'm guessing your gigatron is real though [10:48] leah wait no [10:48] leah it's called degenatron [10:48] activelow it's not mine, there was two hackers in the netherlands who published it; just saying concerning opensource hardware and software FSF and affiliates could learn something [10:48] leah sorry lol [10:48] activelow leah: degenatron? [10:49] leah yeah sorry i got mixed up [10:49] leah i'm being stupid [10:49] schestowitz-TR not stupid [10:49] schestowitz-TR people appreciate your work [10:49] leah how does that appreciate to this lol [10:49] TR News NEWS #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance The vice president should not be using #Bluetooth headphones https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22822431/kamala-harris-bluetooth-security-hacking-headphones [10:49] TR Bot The vice president should not be using Bluetooth headphones - The Verge [10:50] schestowitz-TR leah: maybe a lack of sleep [10:50] schestowitz-TR I had sleep very late, 4-8:30am [10:50] schestowitz-TR afaik, you've been nocturnal today [10:50] leah activelow: schestowitz-TR https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=Qs7vQh06osg [10:50] leah lol [10:50] TR Bot GTA Vice City - Degenatron Commercial - Invidious [10:51] schestowitz-TR leah: good news, today (yes, today) we've migrated to gemtext for irc logs [10:51] schestowitz e.g. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-071221.gmi [10:51] leah that is very neutral news, but a wonderful technical achievement [10:51] leah i still have gemtext support on todo for untitled [10:52] leah what i have in mind for untitled is very cursed, potentially [10:52] leah have you ever heard of a thing called a *dynamic* site generator? [10:52] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [10:52] leah because i've invented it. in my head [10:52] leah i just need to implement it [10:53] leah >write pages in gemtext or markdown [10:53] leah >convert gemtext to markdown [10:53] leah >markdown to html, for web version of a site. with pandoc templates [10:53] leah now, so far what we have is a boring static site generator [10:54] leah now imagine you have a hidden section of your site, inaccessible to the public, but you can put server side code in it [10:54] leah and now imagine the static site generator can generate pages in many different extensions. including .php [10:54] leah and the markdown-written pages are generated into html [10:54] leah but, optionally, for a given page or set of pages, you can insert server side code [10:54] Ariadne idk who techrights pissed off today but i just had to block a shitload of udp traffic directed at it [10:54] leah untitled wouldn't do server side stuff [10:55] leah but you would use it with such a thing [10:55] leah e.g. php preprocessor [10:55] leah or whatever else you want to use [10:55] leah hybrid gemtext/markdown dynamic site generator [10:55] leah now tell me: [10:55] leah is this an abomination that you would put out of its misery [10:55] leah or do you think this idea is cool? [10:55] leah because i think it could really be amazing [10:56] leah >dynamic site generator [10:56] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:56] leah the power and flexibility of writing a site in a simplified markup language [10:56] leah but with the html version having server side code for whatever you want to do [10:56] leah and [10:56] leah still write it in bash [10:56] leah 100% bash [10:57] leah i've already seen the code, in my head. writing it is on todo [10:57] leah of course, in this instance i don't think about gemini:// [10:57] leah i'm thinking of gemtext as simply an easier markup language, to be converted into html using pandoc. with an html template [10:58] leah but you could still design your site with gemini:// in mind too [10:58] leah schestowitz: can gemini do template stuff [10:58] leah like. you have pages. that are just documents for different topics [10:58] leah but then you have common header/navigation/footer [10:58] leah can gemini do that [10:58] leah or does every gemtext file have to link to each thing you want it to link to [10:59] leah i still haven't actually looked at gemini yet. but i've looked at the gemtext markup language itself ● Dec 08 [11:00] leah *dynamic* site generator [11:00] leah that can also be a normal static site generator. just don't put server side code in your site [11:01] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@r7zq4q2ys63yk.irc) has joined #techrights [11:01] leah it wouldn't be very usable for, say, the next wordpress. but can be useful for forms and such [11:01] schestowitz-TR [10:58] but then you have common header/navigation/footer [11:01] leah in pandoc markdown, it's possible to still put html in the markdown file [11:01] schestowitz-TR yes, you can do loads of things [11:01] leah and pandoc will not touch it [11:01] schestowitz-TR one option is cat'ing things in [11:02] leah that's literally what untitled does [11:02] schestowitz-TR with a cron job that keeps the capsule up to date [11:02] leah more or less [11:02] leah tl;dr there is a happy medium between wordpress, and "static site generator" [11:02] leah and that's the dynamic site generator. and nobody has tried it yet i don't think [11:03] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/Gemini/ [11:03] schestowitz all the code [11:03] schestowitz updated from git repeatedly [11:03] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #techrights [11:04] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-071221.gmi [11:05] leah schestowitz: what's the deal anyway, are you going to ditch http altogether? [11:07] schestowitz-TR no [11:07] schestowitz-TR but we promote alternatives too [11:08] schestowitz-TR www is proprietary [11:08] schestowitz-TR DRM and chrome clones [11:08] schestowitz-TR many sites cannot be accessed with free browsers anymore [11:08] schestowitz-TR as in freedom-repsecting [11:08] schestowitz-TR not 'free spyware' [11:08] schestowitz-TR more and more people flock to gemini [11:09] schestowitz-TR since midnigh today 11k+ page requests in our gemini capsule [11:09] schestowitz-TR in gemini, hit typically means page [11:09] schestowitz-TR in www, hit can mean "fetch gif of bulletpoint from css file" [11:10] schestowitz-TR www is very bloated [11:10] schestowitz-TR and it encourages centralisation in a lot of ways [11:10] schestowitz-TR many people don't realise it [11:10] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ddstkmbt93p8q.irc) has joined #techrights [11:10] schestowitz-TR unless you show them all the evidence and they go, "oh..." [11:10] schestowitz-TR now the www access is controlled by about 230 CAs [11:11] schestowitz-TR and if you're not 'authorised' by them, they will call you 'dark web' soon [11:11] schestowitz-TR and prevent people from even accessing the site [11:11] schestowitz-TR the other night DaemonFC showed that Zemlin's PAC now promotes Microsoft's and Bill's censorship initiatives [11:11] schestowitz-TR site blocking basicall [11:11] schestowitz-TR LF likes censorship [11:11] schestowitz-TR and paid by Microsoft to promote this [11:12] DaemonFC Yeah, and they'll push for Fakebook to use this. [11:12] TR News NEWS #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance #Twitter is testing changes to the way it handles reported tweets https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22822878/twitter-testing-changes-report-tweet-abuse-suspicious-behavior [11:12] TR Bot Twitter is testing changes to the way it handles reported tweets - The Verge [11:12] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: fb already does it [11:12] DaemonFC Eventually it'll shadowban anything that doesn't come from Uncle Bill's sources, like the Grauniad and CNN. [11:12] schestowitz-TR you said the even warned you about stallman.org [11:12] schestowitz-TR with "legit" cert and all [11:13] TR News NEWS #IndiaTimes #Privacy #Surveillance #Facebook user data approach gets a major blow https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/big-data/facebook-user-data-approach-gets-a-major-blow/88143610 [11:13] TR Bot meta: Facebook user data approach gets a major blow, IT News, ET CIO [11:13] TR News NEWS #IndiaTimes #Privacy #Surveillance #Germany chip chemical supplier to spend $1 billion in U.S., pairs with #Palantir on supply chain data https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/german-chip-chemical-supplier-to-spend-1-billion-in-u-s-pairs-with-palantir-on-supply-chain-data/88156094 [11:13] TR Bot semiconductor manufacturing: German chip chemical supplier to spend $1 billion in U.S., pairs with Palantir on supply chain data, IT News, ET CIO [11:13] DaemonFC Yeah, but they do it with WGN too, on articles that promote forced "vaccination". [11:13] schestowitz leah: read http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/ [11:13] TR Bot High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights [11:16] DaemonFC "Illinois: Jesse White (D) is retiring after six terms. However, since the secretary of state mostly manages state records and automobile services and does not run elections, this will not be a major target for either party. Several Democrats and two Republicans have filed nevertheless." [11:16] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: vaccination is good [11:16] DaemonFC I don't agree. [11:16] schestowitz-TR but not this thing [11:16] schestowitz-TR and not this way [11:16] DaemonFC WIth the SoS thing. [11:17] schestowitz-TR they redefine antixvax [11:17] schestowitz-TR and they also redefine uvaccinated [11:17] schestowitz-TR to suit one particular product or patent pool [11:17] schestowitz-TR we should not accept this misuse of words [11:17] DaemonFC The Republicans should push for that because it's a chance to gut a hive of unionized "public workers" who draw massive state benefits, and contribute their union dues to the Democrats. [11:17] DaemonFC The DMV, of course. [11:18] DaemonFC They should push to make the employees redundant and get foot traffic down. Like Indiana did. [11:19] DaemonFC Licenses that expire every 7 years instead of 4 doesn't make a lot of difference to public safety, just as one license plate on the back of the car works just as well as plates on both sides. [11:19] DaemonFC The difference is we could eliminate nearly half the positions at the DMV and save a million dollars a year issuing front plates. [11:20] leah ooooh goodie. covid shit [11:20] activelow lol [11:20] *leah will get back to her things [11:20] activelow bye [11:20] schestowitz-TR 0/ [11:21] leah get your booster shot and enjoy your life [11:21] schestowitz-TR which booster? [11:21] schestowitz-TR 1st booster? [11:21] schestowitz-TR 2nd booster? [11:21] schestowitz-TR 1st booster booster? (5th) [11:21] leah in UK they're doing 3rd booster shots now [11:22] schestowitz-TR vaccines typically don't work this way [11:22] schestowitz-TR my sister in law just got moderna [11:22] leah yeah it's mRNA stuff [11:22] schestowitz-TR the arm and stuff swelled [11:22] DaemonFC "Steve Bullock, a Democrat who has won three statewide elections in very red Montana (AG + governor x2) and lost one (Senate), has written an op-ed in The New York Times telling Democrats to get out of their cities and meet with rural voters if they want to win elections. Simply conceding all rural voters to the Republicans is not a good idea because there simply aren't enough dependable urban voters to win elections consistently and in some [11:22] DaemonFC states there aren't enough under any conditions. But if Democrats would do a better job of talking to rural voters, they could win statewide in purple states and even in some cases in red states, as Bullock did three times. [11:22] DaemonFC His first point is that Democrats have a strong tendency to be condescending to rural voters and treat them as dumb yokels who don't understand how they should live and think, but who can be enlightened by woke urban Democrats who know how things truly are. That doesn't work. It really doesn't. If Democrats want to consistently win elections outside of deep blue states, they need to come to understand this." [11:22] DaemonFC It [11:22] schestowitz-TR same with her husband [11:22] leah i heard it described basically like ram in a computer [11:22] schestowitz-TR and they're about my age [11:22] schestowitz-TR not at risk of death [11:22] DaemonFC It's not the goal of trolls like Matt Goolag to convince anyone else their policies are right. [11:22] leah the vaccines wear off [11:22] activelow flu vaccination is scheduled once a year, with a new ingredient everytime [11:22] schestowitz-TR leah: all vaccines do [11:22] DaemonFC Matt Goolag is basically a Democrat Trump who just wants to "own" the other side. [11:23] schestowitz-TR but this one is very shitty [11:23] leah RNA stuff is only temporary and needs to be done every now and then. they're saying every year [11:23] leah like the flu shots [11:23] schestowitz-TR they need to improve [11:23] activelow they inject three strains at once, and next year one strain is swapped against another [11:23] schestowitz-TR but with patent pools and lots of money [11:23] schestowitz-TR 1) they don't need to improve [11:23] leah i get my booster soon [11:23] schestowitz-TR 2) financial incentive to keep this virus around [11:23] schestowitz-TR leah: I get vaccinated [11:23] schestowitz-TR not against it [11:24] schestowitz-TR the media redefined terms [11:24] *leah will grab a booster cup of coffee [11:24] schestowitz-TR haha [11:24] schestowitz-TR I cracked open a jar yesterday [11:25] schestowitz-TR after a week "off" caffeine [11:25] leah i really am grabbing coffee [11:25] schestowitz-TR we have BIG reports on EPO soon [11:25] schestowitz-TR and EU authorities take note [11:26] DaemonFC "With the exception of Obama, Democrats do have a tendency to not acknowledge that there are white working class or white poor people. I sometimes wonder if they actually forgot that they exist." [11:26] DaemonFC This. [11:26] TR News NEWS #IndiaTimes #Russia fines Gulag over content, bigger penalty looms https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/russia-fines-google-over-content-bigger-penalty-looms/88144802 [11:26] TR Bot google: Russia fines Google over content, bigger penalty looms, IT News, ET CIO [11:27] DaemonFC Democrats are seen by rural voters as the party that wants to put poor inner city blacks on welfare and keep them that way so they're hooked and just have to keep voting for a poverty trap with no way out. [11:27] DaemonFC Additionally, they see Democrats don't even talk about white poverty, at all. [11:28] DaemonFC This makes it easy to scream Fuck Joe Biden, because he's never talking about what to do about white poverty and how to bring jobs to the US, just endless poverty trap entitlement programs for inner cities. [11:29] DaemonFC Ones that have nothing to pay for them, and are causing horrendous inflation for people who don't qualify. [11:30] DaemonFC "I spent the first thirty years of my life in rural communities and know from personal experience that many country people are insular, narrow-minded, and unusually resistant to change. They trust their preachers more than their teachers. They see any kind of government assistance as a zero-sum game, i.e., if one group 'wins,' they lose." [11:30] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: back to tech now [11:30] schestowitz-TR please [11:30] DaemonFC Well, oddly that's because it's how "public assistance" works. They set the income limits so low that anyone who works at all can't possibly get it, just pay for it. [11:32] DaemonFC The normal income limits for food stamps, pretty much cuts off anyone who works more than about half of full time at minimum wage in a blue state. [11:32] DaemonFC Nice way to cause resentment. [11:33] DaemonFC Illinois is fragmenting into micro-states, because the Democrats think they're going to come in and tell everyone how they'll live, and then prosecutors and city halls say "We're not going to enforce this.". [11:34] DaemonFC Or they realize they're going to have to let an abortion factory in, so they use zoning laws, and they refuse to bring FOID Act indictments to court unless you're like some kind of a kingpin they're throwing the book at anyway, etc. [11:36] DaemonFC It really makes people like Bill Gates mad when they want to control everyone and how they're allowed to think. [11:36] DaemonFC And then there's pushback from the ground up and new platforms they can't control. [11:36] DaemonFC And Stallman and Bill Gates agree about children a lot. [11:37] DaemonFC Not just that Epstein may have had some that "agreed", but that there should be more abortions because of some stupid bird that nobody heard about that may or may not be threatened with "climate change". [11:38] DaemonFC It wouldn't surprise me if Stallman promotes natrium reactors next. [11:38] DaemonFC Because the Grauniad says we need them. [11:38] DaemonFC This isn't activism. This is outsourcing thinking to corrupt fake news sources. [11:39] schestowitz-TR noise sources [11:39] schestowitz-TR lobbying [11:39] schestowitz-TR advertising [11:39] schestowitz-TR with degrees in english and history [11:39] schestowitz-TR doing assignements [11:39] schestowitz-TR "write this article about this [sponsors' stakeholding]" [11:39] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [11:41] DaemonFC Yeah, CNN Underscored has a quota about how many product reviews you write per week. At least 5-8. [11:41] TR News [Teaser] Rape is Not a Joke Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/ #Techrights #microsoft #github #deletegithub #NatFriedman | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/ [11:41] TR Bot [Teaser] Rape is Not a Joke | Techrights [11:41] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: 'reviews' [11:41] DaemonFC So I wonder how people get any time with a product they "review" or if they just use talking points. [11:41] schestowitz-TR scare quotes [11:41] schestowitz-TR the web is webspam [11:41] schestowitz-TR web spamfarms [11:42] schestowitz-TR and we should call that out [11:42] schestowitz-TR you search for reviews on something you want to buy [11:42] schestowitz-TR google spams you with ads [11:42] schestowitz-TR and the search results are also ads [11:42] schestowitz-TR so it's ads and ads [11:42] schestowitz-TR and you buy based on ads, not info [11:42] schestowitz-TR go to gemini [11:42] schestowitz-TR web = mind cancel these days [11:42] schestowitz-TR too much PR and spam [11:42] schestowitz-TR even wikipedia got badly distorted [11:42] schestowitz-TR it's like a platform for PR firms to collaboratea [11:43] schestowitz-TR and those who edit and are not paid have their edited undone [11:43] schestowitz-TR because it's not their full-time job [11:43] schestowitz-TR esp. in particular areas and topics [11:43] schestowitz-TR the "high-prized" ones [11:44] TR News NEWS #TheEconomist #Energy [Cryptocurrency] #lobbying is going ballistic https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/12/07/crypto-lobbying-is-going-ballistic [11:44] Alternative link Cloudflare: economist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/12/07/crypto-lobbying-is-going-ballistic [11:44] TR Bot lobbying is going ballistic | The Economist [11:44] DaemonFC Beans and spam, spam and eggs, eggs, coffee and spam..... [11:45] TR News #Zuckerberg family devouring things for financial gain https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/zuckerberg-chan-invest-34b-science-advances-81613649 #lobbying #bribery #oligarchy [11:45] TR Bot Zuckerberg, Chan to invest up to $3.4B for science advances - ABC News [11:45] DaemonFC spam spam spam spam!!!! [11:45] TR News NEWS #TheHill Language requiring companies to report cyberattacks left out of defense bill https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/584774-language-requiring-companies-to-report-cyberattacks-left-out-of-defense [11:45] TR Bot requiring companies to report cyberattacks left out of defense bill | TheHill [11:45] DaemonFC I always have some cans of spam around because you can do almost anything with it. [11:46] TR News NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast #Internet Critics Concerned Infrastructure Bill Money Will Go to Satellites, Harm Fiber Builds https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/12/critics-concerned-infrastructure-bill-money-will-go-to-satellites-harm-fiber-builds/ #grifting and plunder by opportunists with lobbyists, who buy the politicians [11:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: broadbandbreakfast.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/12/critics-concerned-infrastructure-bill-money-will-go-to-satellites-harm-fiber-builds/ [11:46] TR Bot Critics Concerned Infrastructure Bill Money Will Go to Satellites, Harm Fiber Builds : Broadband Breakfast [11:46] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: military food [11:46] DaemonFC Soldiers in WWII got so tired of it because it was on the menu almost every day. [11:47] TR News NEWS #IndiaTimes #Monopolies U.S. says Nvidia-Arm deal harms market for networking, self-driving car chips https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/u-s-says-nvidia-arm-deal-harms-market-for-networking-self-driving-car-chips/88144638 [11:47] TR Bot nvidia: U.S. says Nvidia-Arm deal harms market for networking, self-driving car chips, IT News, ET CIO [11:47] TR News NEWS #Axios #Monopolies Scoop: Over 200 papers quietly sue Big Tech https://www.axios.com/1-local-newspapers-lawsuits-facebook-google-3c3dee3a-cce3-49ef-b0a2-7a98c2e15c91.html 'Big Tech' is an unhelpful term: http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/ [11:47] Alternative link Cloudflare: axios.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.axios.com/1-local-newspapers-lawsuits-facebook-google-3c3dee3a-cce3-49ef-b0a2-7a98c2e15c91.html [11:47] TR Bot 200 newspapers now involved in quiet lawsuits v. Google, Facebook - Axios [11:47] TR Bot Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights [11:47] DaemonFC Yes, it's cheap, it's stable (a can is good for about 10 years, and it's not objectionable, and can be cooked almost any way you want it. [11:48] DaemonFC It makes for a good military ration, although I hear they actually got worse. [11:48] DaemonFC Especially the vegetarian ones. [11:49] DaemonFC MREs are not meant to be gourmet dining, they're meant so you can have _something_ to eat even under the most difficult circumstances out in the field. [11:49] DaemonFC And they tend to include things like gum, basic medical supplies you can pocket for later, and toilet paper. [11:50] DaemonFC The medical kit tends to be different based on climate and what reason you'd have to use it. [11:51] DaemonFC For example, the emergency rations for downed fighter pilots has food, pain pills, and stimulants in case you end up in a situation where you have to keep moving and can't afford to fall asleep. [11:51] DaemonFC If you have people after you trying to kill you, staying up for a few days with stimulants is less dangerous. [11:53] TR News NEWS #Tor Responding to Tor #censorship in #Russia https://blog.torproject.org/tor-censorship-in-russia/ @XRevan86 #ru [11:53] TR Bot Responding to Tor censorship in Russia | The Tor Project [11:53] DaemonFC It's usually amphetamines, not caffeine. [11:53] DaemonFC Caffeine as a stay awake pill usually works to keep you going for a little while, but it's not long haul stuff. You get jittery and then crash. ● Dec 08 [12:01] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:06] TR News NEWS #DemocracyNow #patent #patents As World Confronts MEGATRON Variant, Top 8 #Pfizer & #Moderna Investors Make $10 Billion in a Week https://www.democracynow.org/2021/12/7/pfizer_and_moderna_shareholders_profit [12:06] TR Bot As World Confronts Omicron Variant, Top 8 Pfizer & Moderna Investors Make $10 Billion in a Week | Democracy Now! [12:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [12:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 7.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 134.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.37 [12:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 7.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 134.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.37 [12:12] TR News "Funding Is Stalled" is NOT the problem. FUNDING is NOT the problem. 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[12:21] schestowitz x https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/a-2021-linux-foundation-update-from-the%E2%80%AD-%E2%80%ACexecutive-director/ [12:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/a-2021-linux-foundation-update-from-the%E2%80%AD-%E2%80%ACexecutive-director/ [12:21] TR Bot A 2021 Linux Foundation Update from the Executive Director - Linux Foundation [12:21] schestowitz do we TRUST them? [12:21] schestowitz LF= monopolies incubation [12:22] TR News Over 200 Newspapers Quietly Sue Big Tech - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/12/07/2252223 #soylentnews ... do not say "Big Tech" ... you're helping #microsoft http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/ [12:22] TR Bot Over 200 Newspapers Quietly Sue Big Tech - SoylentNews [12:27] TR News Whats the Difference Between #Git Switch and Checkout? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158869 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:27] TR Bot What's the Difference Between Git Switch and Checkout? | Tux Machines [12:28] TR News #freesw photo processing with #Darktable Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158870 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:28] TR Bot Open source photo processing with Darktable | Tux Machines [12:28] TR News Best #Freesw Alternatives to #Apple Final Cut Pro Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158871 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:28] TR Bot Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Final Cut Pro | Tux Machines [12:29] TR News Tender to optimize text layout performance for print and PDF export (#202112-01) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158872 #libreoffice #opendocument #TuxMachines [12:29] TR Bot Tender to optimize text layout performance for print and PDF export (#202112-01) | Tux Machines [12:44] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:46] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [12:48] TR News NEWS #Shadowproof #Whistleblower #CraigMurray Speaks Out After Being Imprisoned In #Scotland Over Blog Posts https://shadowproof.com/2021/12/07/exclusive-interview-craig-murray-prison-scotland-blog-posts/ [12:48] TR Bot Whistleblower Craig Murray Speaks Out After Imprisonment For Blog Posts [12:50] TR News NEWS #TheNation #patent #patents #monopolies #profit New Corona Variants = More Deaths https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/new-corona-variants-more-deaths/ more variants = more profits too [12:50] Alternative link Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/new-corona-variants-more-deaths/ [12:50] TR Bot New Corona Variants = More Deaths | The Nation ● Dec 08 [13:00] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@b4jjzquhwb7y2.irc) has joined #techrights [13:00] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [13:00] TR News NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #gulag #YouTube Processes 4 Million Content ID Claims Per Day, Transparency Report Reveals https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-processes-4-million-content-id-claims-per-day-transparency-report-reveals-211207/ [13:00] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-processes-4-million-content-id-claims-per-day-transparency-report-reveals-211207/ [13:00] TR Bot Processes 4 Million Content ID Claims Per Day, Transparency Report Reveals * TorrentFreak [13:01] TR News NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #GaryBowser Agrees to Pay $10 Million in Piracy Damages to #Nintendo https://torrentfreak.com/gary-bowser-agrees-to-pay-10-million-in-piracy-damages-to-nintendo-211207/ [13:01] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/gary-bowser-agrees-to-pay-10-million-in-piracy-damages-to-nintendo-211207/ [13:01] TR Bot Bowser Agrees to Pay $10 Million in Piracy Damages to Nintendo * TorrentFreak [13:02] TR News NEWS #EFF First Circuit Affirms School's Punishment of Students for Online #SocialcontrolMedia Posts https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/first-circuit-affirms-schools-punishment-students-online-social-media-posts [13:02] TR Bot First Circuit Affirms School's Punishment of Students for Online Social Media Posts | Electronic Frontier Foundation [13:04] TR News NEWS #EFF Pay a Hacker, Save a Life https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/pay-hacker-save-life witth #microsoft , #hospitals pay crackers, too (because people are dying) http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [13:04] TR Bot Pay a Hacker, Save a Life | Electronic Frontier Foundation [13:04] TR Bot Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [13:07] TR News NEWS #CommonDreams #Finance Richest 1% Took 38% of New Global Wealth Since 1995. 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The Bottom Half Got Just 2% [13:15] *SomeH4xx (~someh4xx@qb3hy9zh9p2dy.irc) has joined #techrights [13:15] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:15] *SomeH4xx is now known as SomeH4x0r [13:16] *inky (~inky@31.7.162.99) has joined #techrights [13:24] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: the system is getting slower, I reboot) [13:26] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@r8dui6smnhchc.irc) has joined #techrights [13:30] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 130.68 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.33 [13:33] TR News #Openhardware smartphone #PinePhone Pro starts to ship Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158873 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:33] TR Bot Open hardware smartphone PinePhone Pro starts to ship | Tux Machines [13:33] SomeH4x0r iirc this "open hardware" has locked bootloader [13:34] TR News #Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158874 #Linux #TuxMachines [13:34] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [13:34] psydroid2 locked bootloader? [13:34] psydroid2 not something like mainline u-boot? [13:35] psydroid2 https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Uboot [13:35] TR Bot Uboot - PINE64 [13:36] SomeH4x0r nvm, it was Fairphone [13:37] SomeH4x0r Pinephone is ok then [13:37] TR News #AlexGraveley , a serial abuser, has been protected by #Microsoft ; what does that say about Microsoft and about #NatFriedman , GitHubs CEO whom Alex considers his "best friend"? Stay tuned as we have plenty more to show http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/ #github #deletegithub [13:37] TR Bot [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley | Techrights [13:38] TR News Having just uploaded a police report (more here and here), were starting to move the ongoing series to the next phase, which will still be for the most part weekly installments on Mondays (for months to come) http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/rape-not-a-joke/ #microsoft #github #rapeJokes #deletegithub #predators [13:38] TR Bot [Teaser] Rape is Not a Joke | Techrights [13:40] TR News NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux #HEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHIHEYHI Snapshots from the history of AI, plus AI education resources https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/machine-learning-education-snapshots-history-ai-hello-world-12/ [13:40] Alternative link Cloudflare: raspberrypi.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/machine-learning-education-snapshots-history-ai-hello-world-12/ [13:40] TR Bot Snapshots from the history of AI, plus AI education resources - Raspberry Pi [13:41] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:43] *inky (~inky@31.7.162.99) has joined #techrights [13:47] schestowitz Fairphone is not about freedom [13:47] schestowitz it uses another f word [13:47] schestowitz and it is mostly about tackling ewaste [13:47] schestowitz important, but not the same cause [13:54] TR News SolidRun unveils Sitara AM6442 SoM, HummingBoard-T AM64x carrier boards http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158858#comment-32004 [13:54] TR Bot Compute module and Hummingboard-T SBC showcase safety-conscious TI AM64x | Tux Machines ● Dec 08 [14:04] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:22] *inky (~inky@188.115.232.186) has joined #techrights [14:46] psydroid2 "We are the Microsoft Borg and we do Security(TM)" [14:46] psydroid2 https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2021/12/07/new-Secured-core-servers-are-now-available-from-the-microsoft-ecosystem-to-help-secure-your-infrastructure/ [14:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: microsoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2021/12/07/new-Secured-core-servers-are-now-available-from-the-microsoft-ecosystem-to-help-secure-your-infrastructure/ [14:46] TR Bot Secured-core servers are now available from the Microsoft ecosystem to help secure your infrastructure - Microsoft Security Blog ● Dec 08 [15:01] *inky_ (~inky@141.136.79.85) has joined #techrights [15:04] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [15:04] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [15:04] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:10] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: bbl) [15:17] *CrystalMath (~coderain@stg4vszxeqb86.irc) has joined #techrights [15:17] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@kmujm4s8xqrtu.irc) has joined #techrights [15:18] TR News NEWS #CommonDreams Amnesty Scorecard Finds #Twitter Failing to Protect Women From Online Abuse https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/amnesty-scorecard-finds-twitter-failing-protect-women-online-abuse #socialcontrolmedia is, in general, toxic crap. 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[15:18] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/amnesty-scorecard-finds-twitter-failing-protect-women-online-abuse [15:18] TR Bot Amnesty Scorecard Finds Twitter Failing to Protect Women From Online Abuse [15:22] TR News NEWS #Techdirt #Verizon Once Again Expands Its Snoopvertising Ambitions https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211206/06064048057/verizon-once-again-expands-snoopvertising-ambitions.shtml [15:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211206/06064048057/verizon-once-again-expands-snoopvertising-ambitions.shtml [15:22] TR Bot Once Again Expands Its Snoopvertising Ambitions | Techdirt [15:28] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/2021/12/03/tweets-of-the-week-12-03-21/ [15:28] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2021/12/03/tweets-of-the-week-12-03-21/ [15:28] TR Bot 25 Tweets Everyone Should've Read This Week [15:30] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 7.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 135.91 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.29 [15:31] TR News NEWS #Techdirt #SpaceX Engine Production Woes Could Screw Up Musk's #Starlink Broadband Play https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211201/06515248031/space-x-engine-production-woes-could-screw-up-musks-starlink-broadband-play.shtml see what a grifter and #fraud #elonmusk is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkix4UzEbjU [15:31] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211201/06515248031/space-x-engine-production-woes-could-screw-up-musks-starlink-broadband-play.shtml [15:31] TR Bot X Engine Production Woes Could Screw Up Musk's Starlink Broadband Play | Techdirt [15:31] TR Bot I Hate Elon Musk - YouTube [15:43] TR News Stephane Bortzmeyer #of GeminiProtocol fame: "When we say that the Web is too complicated... It has actual consequences, and not only the fact that writing a #Webbrowser is a task now reserved to a small #oligarchy . Here, there are #security consequences in CSS' richness" https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007659.html [15:43] TR Bot [Tech] The security consequences of the Web complexity [15:44] TR News #mozilla is #gulag (Google) incubator. #linuxfoundation is GAFAM+IBM+Intel (the Is) incubator. They do there what it more useful for them to do via subsidiaries and front groups. DO NOT BE MISLED. KNOW WHAT THEY TRULY ARE....... and... if you want PROOF, then follow the MONEY. It's simple. [15:47] TR News #Microsoft #GitHub Expos Part X will be released/published Monday. Now things are starting to get hot -- boiling even -- for Microsoft. #techrights #expose [15:47] TR News This week #linuxfoundation is in 'damage control' mode. Curiously enough two unusual puff pieces released a day after http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/jim-zemlin-cancels-himself/ and http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/linux-foundation-irs/ [15:47] TR Bot Jim Zemlin Has Deleted All of His Tweets | Techrights [15:47] TR Bot No Linux Foundation IRS Disclosures Since 2018 | Techrights [15:48] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:49] TR News We did not write this: " #Techrights deals with a variety of issues that affect our everyday computing. It works by addressing particular subjects that need to be better understood and thus resolved." https://muckrack.com/media-outlet/techrights [15:49] Alternative link Cloudflare: muckrack.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://muckrack.com/media-outlet/techrights [15:49] TR Bot Techrights.org: Contact Information, Journalists, and Overview | Muck Rack [15:50] XRevan86 MinceR: Went to look what "acai" means, found out it's "aai", and it's a palm tree and its fruit. [15:50] Techrights-sec Yep. Saw the message and the post to which it links. [15:50] Techrights-sec Complexity is bad all around. [15:51] *includeals has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) [15:52] *includeals (~includeal@a94-132-138-99.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [15:53] TR News Proprietary waste of energy; pass along the heatsink https://linuxhint.com/nvidia-ansel/ [15:53] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxhint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/nvidia-ansel/ [15:53] TR Bot What is Nvidia Ansel? [15:54] TR News Tech 101: just because technology CAN do something does not mean it SHOULD be done. As with many other things in life... #techrights #balance #reason [15:55] Techrights-sec The complexity is also used intentionally. [15:55] Techrights-sec In most cases it is cultivated and does not happen purely by accident. [15:55] schestowitz-TR at some point or at some level, increasing complexity is, in its own right, vendor lockin. IBM and Microsoft master this. Oops, I said master... [15:58] Techrights-sec yes, systemd has been about using complexity to circumvent the freedom and [15:58] Techrights-sec decommoditize the OS [15:58] Techrights-sec I'm starting to consider that many other projects are like that, many [15:58] Techrights-sec choose that route on purpose to promote lock-in of sorts. [15:59] schestowitz Another VERY important factor is 1) VERY frequent (and BUGGY) releases; 2) keep the forkers too busy, always with yesterday's bug-infested build 3) users are neglected, collateral damage for vendors' own ambitions [15:59] schestowitz EasyOS's barry has a blog and he shows what level of complexity integration for a gnu/linux distro nowadays entails, with Web browsers that can take a day to compile and rarely compile, so it takes days of trial and error. librewolf still has some rough edges. ● Dec 08 [16:01] schestowitz-TR activelow: of relevance to your work [16:01] schestowitz-TR you study this more closely than most/all of us [16:02] Techrights-sec There was an article a while back, a year or two maybe, about how it is now [16:02] Techrights-sec more or less impossible to create a new web browser rendering engine due [16:02] Techrights-sec to the complexity of the specs combined with their dynamic state as a moving [16:02] Techrights-sec target. [16:02] schestowitz-TR I remember [16:03] schestowitz-TR there was something else I wanted to say about vendor lockin through complexiity, but I forgot what it was while typing. I think it merits a carefully written essay, if people still appreciate these at all in the age of tl;dr social control media [16:04] TR News Feed society violence as entertainment, then wonder why people get violent? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/anger-foot-gets-more-insane-in-the-latest-update/ [16:04] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/anger-foot-gets-more-insane-in-the-latest-update/ [16:04] TR Bot Foot gets more insane in the latest update | GamingOnLinux [16:05] Techrights-sec +1, it needs careful consideration to avoid triggering systemd fanbois, [16:05] Techrights-sec among other lobbyists for large multinational corporations. [16:05] schestowitz-TR there are many REGULAR systemd apologists in Twitter stalking the hashtag and targeting people who criticise it [16:06] TR News "A classic from #BlendoGames , a short video-game story Thirty Flights of Loving received a 9 year anniversary upgrade and it came along with a fresh #GNU #Linux port from Ethan Lee." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/thirty-flights-of-loving-gets-a-9-year-update-including-new-linux-support [16:06] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/thirty-flights-of-loving-gets-a-9-year-update-including-new-linux-support [16:06] TR Bot Flights of Loving gets a 9 year update including new Linux support | GamingOnLinux [16:08] TR News "The developer mentioned that if you're interested in future #GNU #Linux play-testing, game development and design related discussion you can join their Discord." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/where-birds-go-to-sleep-is-an-upcoming-narrative-adventure-with-a-striking-painted-style [16:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/where-birds-go-to-sleep-is-an-upcoming-narrative-adventure-with-a-striking-painted-style [16:08] TR Bot Birds Go to Sleep is an upcoming narrative adventure with a striking painted style | GamingOnLinux [16:10] Techrights-sec That's the kind of behavior that got it into Debian and Fedora in the first place [16:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [16:10] schestowitz-TR like mono ;-) [16:16] *altlink_9ac has quit (connection closed) [16:16] *altlink_4a9 (~altlink_4a9@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [16:16] Techrights-sec that one too. Ad Hominem is rather cost effective and if it fails, the [16:16] Techrights-sec large corporations did it by proxy anyway. Despite de Icaza working to [16:16] Techrights-sec advance M$ agenda all day every day for years, there were still denialists [16:18] activelow schestowitz-TR: i will remove all modern browsers; only gemini, lynx/links, and netsurf-gtk (if possible) will remain [16:20] schestowitz-TR +1 [16:21] schestowitz-TR we need more people to 'rebel' like this [16:21] schestowitz-TR and open up the physical banks [16:21] schestowitz-TR if you can open football stadiums [16:21] schestowitz-TR then you can open a goddamn bank [16:21] Techrights-sec ack [16:21] activelow the cross-compilation toolchain and firmware image for arm32 with gcc-4.7.4 is almost finished [16:22] activelow cannot confirm yet of the aarch64 SBC i got here will boot with a 32bit arm kernel [16:22] activelow *if [16:22] schestowitz-TR the quality and relevance of spamnil's video is reaching the verge of the ludicrous [16:23] schestowitz-TR I worry that writing about it or doing a video will give him more attention than he gets in a normal week [16:24] schestowitz-TR I am increasingly suspicious that the LF fluff this week was a direct response to our IRS article, which struck a nerve [16:24] schestowitz-TR maybe the IRS started an investigation into their status already [16:24] activelow and i am hoping for PCC as system compiler won't break anything which cannot be repaired [16:24] schestowitz-TR so they need to 'justify' themselves [16:24] activelow this woul db extremely cool, if PCC was 5x-10x faster [16:25] activelow i was thinking to support RPI3 and RPI4, although i won't use such myself [16:25] activelow imagine this, if a 100% source based workflow then, on RPI3 or RPI4 was as powerful and fast as with a modern 8core workstation [16:26] Techrights-sec $ gcc --version | head -n 1 [16:26] Techrights-sec gcc (Debian 11.2.0-10) 11.2.0 [16:26] Techrights-sec from Devuan [16:27] activelow it's ok, however i reject the vendor lock-in to GNU/FSF/gcc [16:27] activelow i've had enough when g++ hit OOM regularly [16:28] activelow if g++ and all c++ dependencies are removed, then a RPI3 with 1GiB of RAM should suffice for a 100% source-based workflow [16:28] Techrights-sec Speaking of complexity and job security through complexity, I have been [16:28] Techrights-sec trying to get some data published under a CC license but the format is [16:28] Techrights-sec well documented but so over engineered and convoluted that it has been faster [16:28] Techrights-sec and easier to reverse engineer it. I've made no progress with the official [16:28] Techrights-sec documentation in hours. [16:29] schestowitz-TR I shall watch LF closely this month [16:29] schestowitz-TR spamnil still needs to be watched for me to understand what LF is shilling [16:29] schestowitz-TR they commandeer him [16:30] Techrights-sec Keep ignoring him. Laughing at him will give him clicks if only out of curiosity [16:30] Techrights-sec I have refrained from doing so and admonish others to do the same. [16:30] Techrights-sec It's quite possible. The IRS hates FOSS oriented charities with a vengance, [16:30] Techrights-sec according to the guy who ran LinuxFest SouthEast. However, the IRS are M$ [16:30] Techrights-sec boosters, so an investigation could go either way. [16:30] Techrights-sec An audit would do them good though. [16:30] Techrights-sec As you pointed out there have been no figures posted for three years now. [16:31] Techrights-sec activelow: Is PCC still being developed? [16:32] activelow Techrights-sec: good question. it's stable with support for C99, and OpenBSD reported success on i386 in 2007. [16:32] Techrights-sec That's ok if it is just one person but not more... [16:32] Techrights-sec maybe yewtube hits don't count ... [16:33] schestowitz-TR usually I do not even click any actual video, it's merely an 'alta vista' and his RSS feed for his site [16:33] activelow i will report my findings, first i need to downgrade from aarch64 to arm32, and gcc-4.7.4; remove all c++ which was missed [16:33] Techrights-sec ack [16:39] TR News #Gentoo -Based Calculate Linux 22 Released with PipeWire, Improved System Updates Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158875 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:39] TR News #Games: Surviving Mars, TFC: The Fertile Crescent, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158876 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:40] TR Bot Gentoo-Based Calculate Linux 22 Released with PipeWire, Improved System Updates | Tux Machines [16:41] TR Bot Games: Surviving Mars, TFC: The Fertile Crescent, and More | Tux Machines [16:43] TR News " #Perl Club starts to translate Japanese Perl Tutorial to English. Yuki Kimoto is one of the Perl Messengers. #PerlClub decides to write all articles English at first." http://blogs.perl.org/users/yuki_kimoto/2021/12/javascript-supported-web-scraping-using-perl-and-selenium.html #programming [16:43] TR Bot Supported Web Scraping using Perl and Selenium | Yuki Kimoto Perl Blog [blogs.perl.org] [16:45] TR News Recently, #tuxmachines and #techrights quit syndicating #javascript news and tips unless they're limited to and specific to #gnu #linux ... nothing personal, but #electron junk and so-called 'Web' browsers aren't something we should encourage [16:45] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158877 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:45] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [16:47] MinceR XRevan86: and with correct spelling, it's pronunciation is entirely unsurprising [16:52] XRevan86 MinceR: English has a way with spelling. [16:52] XRevan86 It keeps foreign spelling as-is, but discards diacritics. [16:53] XRevan86 So if a foreign language uses digraphs (or trigraphs), English will just import them as-is. [16:53] XRevan86 But if diacritics, then it's just a good-bye. [16:53] MinceR i thought i saw diacritics in foreign words in english [16:54] MinceR hungarian is officially supposed to discard them from names, luckily not everyone follows the rule, so sometimes names are still recognizable [16:55] TR News A Call for Sources and Whistleblowers From Microsofts #GitHub Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/microsoft-github-whistleblowers/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/microsoft-github-whistleblowers/ [16:56] XRevan86 MinceR: English has two norms: with diacritics in tact (piata) and without (pinata) [16:56] TR Bot A Call for Sources and Whistleblowers From Microsofts GitHub | Techrights [16:56] MinceR :> [16:58] XRevan86 Russian always respells. I wonder why Latin-alphabet-based languages almost never respell. [16:59] XRevan86 Even words from other Cyrillic-based languages are respelled, because otherwise the result would just be wrong. ● Dec 08 [17:00] MinceR they wouldn't be wrong, you'd just need to know a bit from the language that word is in :> [17:01] XRevan86 MinceR: Right [17:03] XRevan86 MinceR: But then how would I type in letters like , ? [17:03] MinceR :> [17:03] MinceR copy/paste the whole word :> [17:05] kingoffrance saturn is a letter? :D [17:07] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:07] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:07] TR News BREXIT: "It's so easy to pretend it's all about the CRAZY BRITS" - Irish MEP Clare Daly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPyYuF_CY3o #brexit #eu #uk #ireland #europe [17:07] TR Bot "It's so easy to pretend it's all about the CRAZY BRITS" - Irish MEP Clare Daly - YouTube [17:10] TR News "She is a long-standing atheist, though her brother and an uncle are both Catholic priests" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_Daly good MEP: http://techrights.org/2021/12/07/clare-daly-on-epo/ [17:10] TR Bot Clare Daly - Wikipedia [17:10] TR Bot Clare Daly (GUE/NGL) Does What Every Public Official in Europe Should Have Done About EPO Shenanigans | Techrights [17:10] TR News #ZorinOS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158878 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:11] TR Bot Zorin OS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition | Tux Machines [17:11] TR News #ZorinOS 16 Lite Edition is Finally Here Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158879 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:11] TR Bot Zorin OS 16 Lite Edition is Finally Here | Tux Machines [17:15] *mib_2cx4w1 (~93942634@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights [17:15] schestowitz-TR mib_2cx4w1: hi [17:20] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ddstkmbt93p8q.irc) has joined #techrights [17:20] schestowitz-TR hi, DaemonFC [17:20] schestowitz-TR welcome back to the trashcan [17:20] DaemonFC hello [17:20] DaemonFC I'm losing my voice. [17:20] schestowitz-TR try to stick only to tech today [17:20] schestowitz-TR we're being watched a lot [17:21] DaemonFC I might just stay out in the car tomorrow. [17:21] schestowitz-TR Lf, EPO, Github.. [17:21] schestowitz-TR we need to be seen as on topic and "professional' [17:21] DaemonFC It's bad enough that people think every little thing is COVID these days. [17:21] schestowitz-TR not to give them excuse to pass over [17:21] DaemonFC I think it may have actually gotten worse than "WebMD, it's definitely cancer". [17:22] schestowitz-TR Web'MD' [17:22] schestowitz-TR if you want info [17:22] schestowitz-TR better open wikipedia [17:22] schestowitz-TR and study a bit [17:22] schestowitz-TR no spying by insurance companues [17:22] schestowitz-TR wikipedia is full of shit [17:22] schestowitz-TR but it's better than random web searches [17:22] DaemonFC Yeah, there's a lot of things wrong with Wikipedia. Corporations love it though. [17:23] DaemonFC People who won't pay for a real encyclopedia get to read vanity articles. [17:23] DaemonFC Like the one about Mr. Goolag supporting the guy who gave us Trump. [17:23] schestowitz-TR ?? [17:23] schestowitz-TR mjg59 campained AGAINST Assange [17:23] schestowitz-TR and trolls him a lot [17:24] schestowitz-TR you got it all in reverse [17:24] schestowitz-TR many people write wikipedia articles about themselves by proxy [17:24] schestowitz-TR they think it'll make them look 'important' [17:24] DaemonFC His vanity article on Wikipedia seems to imply otherwise. [17:24] schestowitz-TR FSFE did that too [17:26] DaemonFC I'm going to drop by CVS on the way home and take a COVID test to be on the side of caution. [17:26] schestowitz-TR I never got tested [17:26] schestowitz-TR never had symptoms [17:26] schestowitz-TR if I get tested, it'll be for antibodies [17:26] DaemonFC But whatever this is, it's incredibly mild so far. Mostly dry cough and losing my voice. [17:26] schestowitz-TR but that's not standard PCR afaik [17:27] DaemonFC Oh, by the time a PCR swab is positive, you've already had it for 4-5 days you know. [17:28] DaemonFC Uncle Bill never mentions things like this. [17:28] schestowitz-TR nor does BillBC [17:28] DaemonFC Incubation period means you've already been spreading it for at least 1/3rd of the total time you'd have to be quarantined. [17:28] schestowitz-TR but BillBC admitted [17:28] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/funny-pictures-12-3-21-25.jpg [17:28] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/funny-pictures-12-3-21-25.jpg [17:28] schestowitz-TR that two shots keep you just as infectious as none [17:28] schestowitz-TR according to BillBC [17:28] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 198.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.25 [17:28] schestowitz-TR "go get the thing that leaves you just as contagious..." [17:29] MinceR "just as infectious"? [17:29] schestowitz-TR "then go WATCH FOOTBALL" [17:29] MinceR citation needed [17:29] schestowitz-TR "support the Saudi economy" (Newcastle United) [17:29] schestowitz-TR MinceR: BillBC [17:29] DaemonFC Buy an MPEG license, even if you don't have any of those files. [17:29] MinceR schestowitz-TR: that is not an article. [17:29] schestowitz-TR rianne read it out to me work by word last month [17:29] schestowitz-TR *word by word [17:29] DaemonFC You need it. It came with the computer. Oh, you got rid of Windows? Buy another MPEG license. It came with Windows, not the computer! [17:29] MinceR still being infectious is not the same as being equally infectious [17:30] schestowitz-TR they said equally [17:30] schestowitz-TR "just as infectious" [17:30] MinceR well, then they're probably wrong [17:30] schestowitz-TR for people who got 2 shots this past summer [17:30] schestowitz-TR of course they did NOT say this to discourage adoption [17:30] schestowitz-TR but to then sell a third one [17:30] schestowitz-TR at the end of the article [17:30] schestowitz-TR among other things [17:31] MinceR lol [17:31] schestowitz-TR like pushing the same for little kids [17:31] schestowitz-TR I'm VERY pro-vaccines [17:31] schestowitz-TR but I started looking at this thing cynically [17:31] schestowitz-TR MAGATRON and all [17:31] schestowitz-TR *MEGATRON [17:31] schestowitz-TR not MAGA [17:31] schestowitz-TR no xe/xi [17:31] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: see you tomorrow) [17:31] schestowitz-TR it's like they market and brand it now [17:31] schestowitz-TR for fear [17:31] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@iwskee978x32q.irc) has joined #techrights [17:32] schestowitz-TR with scarier pictures/illustrations [17:32] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [17:32] schestowitz-TR next variant will be pictured holding two rifles and suicide vest [17:32] MinceR but will it have a logo, a website and merchandise? [17:32] schestowitz-TR hahaha! [17:33] schestowitz-TR "got the jab, got the tshit"\ [17:33] SomeH4x0r yes, I doubt there are good intentions [17:34] schestowitz MinceR: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/20-years-red-hat-product-security-rise-branded-exploits [17:34] TR Bot 20 years of Red Hat Product Security: The rise of branded exploits (Part 2) [17:34] schestowitz from yesterday [17:34] schestowitz IBM Hat: [17:34] schestowitz " [17:34] schestowitz In part 1 of this story we traced the history of Red Hat Product Security from its inception in 2001 through to its shift into the Customer Experience and Engagement (CEE) team in 2013. [17:34] schestowitz But that was just the beginningsecurity was always important, of course, but it was about to become front-page news. [17:34] schestowitz " [17:34] schestowitz I've been saying this for a decade ;-) [17:34] schestowitz " [17:34] schestowitz 2014 saw the rise of "branded" vulnerabilities security issues that were given memorable names and logos, and that were accompanied by big splashy announcements. [17:34] schestowitz The purpose of this was reportedly to increase public awareness of these issues, with the hope that increased attention would result in faster fixes. [17:34] schestowitz Of course, increased awareness also led to increased media coverage, which, in turn, led to more public awareness. While these branded security issues were serious, the widespread attention tended to result in somewhat overblown panic and drama. [17:34] schestowitz There were two major branded vulnerabilities that came to light in 2014, Heartbleed and Shellshock. [17:34] schestowitz " [17:35] schestowitz exactly!! [17:35] schestowitz and who promoted these? [17:35] schestowitz Microsoft hacks [17:35] schestowitz inc. 'former' staff [17:35] schestowitz we even showed the connections [17:35] schestowitz funny how Windows bugs almost never have logos and sites and brand [17:37] TR News #ProprietarySoftware and #Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158880 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:37] TR Bot Proprietary Software and Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:37] DaemonFC cytoMAGAlovirus [17:38] TR News #Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158881 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:38] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:38] schestowitz-TR the next variant will be a Cyclope multi-headed hydra [17:38] schestowitz-TR donning a cell-killing minigun [17:39] schestowitz-TR not that fluffy hairy thing they floated in 2019 [17:39] schestowitz-TR looking like a pompon [17:39] schestowitz-TR that was a "marketing" failure [17:40] immibis congressional panel just confirmed they can't allow bitcoin to replace the US dollar as global reserve currency [17:40] schestowitz-TR obviously [17:40] schestowitz-TR how many in that panel take corporate bribes in BTC? [17:40] schestowitz-TR ^_^ [17:40] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, 1 in 5 articles on WGN is about the MAGA virus. [17:40] DaemonFC Many of those are "Omicron" MAGA virus. [17:40] schestowitz-TR good [17:40] schestowitz-TR more sponsorship money [17:41] schestowitz-TR it's a hot seller [17:41] schestowitz-TR what else sells now? [17:41] schestowitz-TR discounted food on cyber monday? [17:41] MinceR 08 183302 < schestowitz-TR> "got the jab, got the tshit"\ [17:41] schestowitz-TR also the profit margins [17:41] MinceR not for the "jab", for the pathogen itself [17:41] schestowitz-TR 50 cents to make [17:41] schestowitz-TR $25 dollars a dose [17:41] schestowitz-TR "niceeeee..." [17:41] MinceR "got infected, got the t-shirt" [17:41] schestowitz-TR MinceR: "my white cells are strong!" [17:42] schestowitz-TR "my allowcells" [17:42] MinceR :) [17:42] DaemonFC No, no, you're not thinking bigly enough Roy. It's the Finest vaccine in the History of the world. [17:43] DaemonFC 50 cents going for $25 would never give the stock market a raging hard-on. [17:43] DaemonFC Oh I'm sorry, make investors become tumescent with anticipation. [17:43] DaemonFC Make it $100. The government is paying. They never see the bill directly. [17:43] schestowitz-TR that's patents [17:43] schestowitz-TR tyhe media rarely mentions the patents [17:43] schestowitz-TR and who funded the R&D [17:43] schestowitz-TR (taxpayers mostly) [17:44] schestowitz-TR [17:43] Make it $100. The government is paying. They never see the bill directly. [17:44] schestowitz-TR PRe-paid [17:44] schestowitz-TR who pays the bill [17:44] schestowitz-TR ? [17:44] schestowitz-TR not 'the bill' [17:44] schestowitz-TR but you [17:44] schestowitz https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt [17:44] TR Bot United States Government Debt | 2021 Data | 2022 Forecast | 1942-2020 Historical [17:44] schestowitz "Government Debt in the United States increased to 28908765 USD Million in October from 28428919 USD Million in September of 2021." [17:44] schestowitz "pump up tje volume!!" [17:44] schestowitz "raise da roooof" [17:44] schestowitz debt ceiling [17:45] schestowitz break dat f'ing ceiling [17:45] schestowitz until rapture comes [17:45] schestowitz BTW, US provoking CHina now [17:45] schestowitz with the Olympic Games as a spiel [17:45] schestowitz weaponising IOC mpolitically [17:45] schestowitz need SOMEONE tom blame [17:45] schestowitz not the "Economy" [17:45] schestowitz Wall Street GOOD [17:45] schestowitz China BSD [17:45] schestowitz BAD [17:45] schestowitz economy GREAT! [17:46] schestowitz Never been better [17:46] XRevan86 https://lbry.tv/@ElectroBOOM:9/how-wrong-is-veritasium-a-lamp-and-power:b [17:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: lbry.tv | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lbry.tv/@ElectroBOOM:9/how-wrong-is-veritasium-a-lamp-and-power:b [17:46] TR Bot How Wrong Is VERITASIUM? A Lamp and Power Line Story [17:46] schestowitz "LOOK, WALL STREET!' [17:46] schestowitz Don't look for people living in cars and tent cities" [17:46] schestowitz "we don't count them" [17:46] schestowitz "they're BUMS" [17:47] MinceR yeah, don't acknowledge taiwan, because then you'd be provoking red china :> [17:48] TR News Since #biden (ism) 'rose to power' earlier this year US #debt continues to soar... by over a TRILLION dollars. In LESS THAN A YEAR. #corporatemedia says economy "NEVER BEEN BETTER" (citing the index of the plunderers, Wall Street) https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt [17:48] MinceR avoiding saying things a bunch of old stalinists don't like is of utmost importance. [17:48] schestowitz-TR MinceR: twaiwan is a schtick [17:48] schestowitz-TR same for hk [17:49] MinceR and red china isn't? [17:49] schestowitz-TR but they do deserve theior autonomy [17:49] schestowitz-TR so does diego garcia [17:49] schestowitz-TR China claims US hypocrisy [17:49] schestowitz-TR and sadly they do have substance in that claim [17:49] schestowitz-TR they're both potzes [17:50] schestowitz-TR and the US ignores international courts [17:50] schestowitz-TR as does China (and Russia) [17:50] schestowitz-TR They're "too big to obey" [17:50] schestowitz-TR I think only China is self-sufficient [17:50] schestowitz-TR maybe Russia also [17:50] schestowitz-TR US became too dependent on imports, except for foods and military [17:51] MinceR we'll find out, i guess [17:51] *mib_2cx4w1 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [17:51] schestowitz-TR so US on its own is just a bunch of gun fanatics eating corn and flying missiles, lobbing nukes at countries [17:51] schestowitz-TR china can make everything on its own [17:51] schestowitz-TR even planes [17:51] schestowitz-TR US planes assemble parts made overseas [17:51] MinceR they can't design stuff right, though [17:51] schestowitz-TR give them time [17:52] schestowitz-TR they always catch up [17:52] schestowitz-TR as Japan did [17:52] MinceR and with xi at the wheel, they never will [17:52] MinceR japan has a very different mentality [17:52] schestowitz-TR when it copied cameras and such from Europe [17:52] schestowitz-TR then cars [17:52] schestowitz-TR Japan is slave of the US [17:52] schestowitz-TR since ww2 [17:52] schestowitz-TR lots of us military bases with nukes [17:52] MinceR the japanese were willing to improve themselves and work had to prove they can be better than their foreigner competitors [17:52] schestowitz-TR not japan's own [17:53] MinceR red china believes in totalitarian oppression and micromanagement [17:53] MinceR and relying totally on selling the products of slave labor [17:53] schestowitz-TR yes [17:53] MinceR that's not how you develop technological know-how [17:53] schestowitz-TR and US exploits that sweatshop mentality [17:53] MinceR xi jinping already hinted he's about to double down on micromanagement [17:53] schestowitz-TR as do we (uk/europe) [17:53] schestowitz-TR when did you last buy locally-produced xmas decos? [17:53] MinceR which will doom their economy even if the real estate bubble doesn't [17:54] MinceR i haven't bought xmas decos in ages [17:54] schestowitz-TR neither have we [17:54] schestowitz-TR buy once [17:54] schestowitz-TR it should last decades [17:54] MinceR we haven't even bought a tree in years [17:54] schestowitz-TR our xmas trees, the cheap ones, barely have lights working [17:54] schestowitz-TR half are dead already [17:54] schestowitz-TR MinceR: plastic 'tree' [17:54] schestowitz-TR oil residue 'tree' [17:55] MinceR we never had plastic "trees" [17:55] MinceR or even electric lights for the tree [17:55] schestowitz-TR so how can you flaunt your pious self to thy neighbour? [17:55] MinceR i can't [17:55] TR News Links 8/12/2021: #ZorinOS 16 Milestone and Calculate Linux 22 Released; Kubernetes 1.23 Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/zorin-os-16-milestone/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/zorin-os-16-milestone/ [17:55] TR Bot Links 8/12/2021: Zorin OS 16 Milestone and Calculate Linux 22 Released; Kubernetes 1.23 | Techrights [17:55] MinceR i don't care about my neighbors [17:56] schestowitz-TR it is mutual [17:56] MinceR i know [17:56] TR News #LoRa expansion boards work with Raspberry Pi SBC and Raspberry Pi Pico board (Crowdfunding) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158882 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:56] TR Bot LoRa expansion boards work with Raspberry Pi SBC and Raspberry Pi Pico board (Crowdfunding) | Tux Machines [17:56] MinceR the barbarian that drills holes all day makes it clearly [17:56] MinceR so does the barbarian that abandoned their tiny dog which barks all day [17:56] MinceR s/rly/r/ [17:56] schestowitz-TR some drills are long enough to come through to the other side [17:56] schestowitz-TR like the ones openreach brought [17:57] schestowitz-TR to insert the fibreoptic cable [17:57] schestowitz-TR we have a router for it all set up [17:57] schestowitz-TR it's not activated yet [17:57] schestowitz-TR maybe in 1-2 years [17:57] schestowitz-TR drill about half a meter long [17:57] TR News #Krita 4 splash screen Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158883 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:58] TR Bot Krita 4 splash screen | Tux Machines [17:59] DaemonFC Yeah, fuck China. [17:59] DaemonFC The West turned them into a threat by funding all of this. [17:59] DaemonFC Now they're all horrified about this disaster, which took all of about 20 years. ● Dec 08 [18:00] DaemonFC China made a peaceful solution impossible with what they did to Hong Kong. [18:01] schestowitz-TR iirc, that started with nixon [18:01] schestowitz-TR i.e. GOP [18:01] schestowitz-TR before it went 'fullKKK' [18:01] DaemonFC Clinton normalized trade relations with them on the way out the door. [18:01] schestowitz-TR it predated Clinton [18:01] schestowitz-TR by a lot [18:01] DaemonFC Some of it did. [18:01] schestowitz-TR selective history and timelines [18:01] DaemonFC The framework for it did. [18:01] schestowitz-TR your dad had a good job back then [18:02] schestowitz-TR manufacturing and designing [18:02] DaemonFC So did I for a while. [18:02] schestowitz-TR now it's warehouse work [18:02] schestowitz-TR amazon [18:02] DaemonFC We lost some of that to Canada too. [18:02] DaemonFC I asked Stride Rite why they were going to pack up and leave. [18:02] DaemonFC They said the healthcare plan was too expensive and they could just use NAFTA to go offload their costs onto Canadian taxpayers. [18:03] schestowitz-TR [15:12] NEWS #CommonDreams 'I'm Asking You To Help': Amazon Employee Describes 'Sheer Brutality' of Work to Senators https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/im-asking-you-help-amazon-employee-describes-sheer-brutality-work-senators [18:03] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/im-asking-you-help-amazon-employee-describes-sheer-brutality-work-senators [18:03] TR Bot 'I'm Asking You To Help': Amazon Employee Describes 'Sheer Brutality' of Work to Senators [18:03] schestowitz-TR we had amazon leaks before [18:03] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Amazon [18:03] TR Bot Amazon - Techrights [18:03] schestowitz "what do you do for a living?" [18:03] schestowitz "I stock shelves" [18:04] schestowitz "I unpack containers" [18:04] DaemonFC So these companies take advantage of Canada to use them for currency arbitrage and "free" healthcare that someone else pays for to get their salaries down. [18:04] schestowitz "I answer the phone" [18:04] schestowitz "service" 'economy' [18:04] DaemonFC "What do you do?" [18:04] MinceR (cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/9KwGBSN.mp4 [18:04] Alternative link Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/9KwGBSN.mp4 [18:04] TR News #LibreOffice Base Guide 7.2 has been released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158884 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:04] TR Bot LibreOffice Base Guide 7.2 has been released | Tux Machines [18:04] DaemonFC Doctor: "Oh I charge $1,000 to tell a person with bacterial pneumonia it's probably viral and come back and pay me again if they're alive in a week." [18:05] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kikzjTfos0s&feature=youtu.be&t=28 [18:05] TR Bot Bullsh*t Jobs | David Graeber | RSA Replay - YouTube [18:05] DaemonFC "I can't imagine why people just wait until they're so sick the ER has to admit them." [18:05] DaemonFC Holding out in case it gets better and they can avoid some useless expensive doctor visit. [18:05] DaemonFC It has a logic to it, inside of this corrupt and insane system. [18:06] DaemonFC schestowitz, Mom was talking about all the silver they were taking to deal with this respiratory crap they have going on in their house. [18:06] DaemonFC She says that others she knows are hospitalized and on oxygen. [18:07] DaemonFC They told one of them that if he needs more than 6 liters, they have to transport him to another city. [18:07] DaemonFC But it's not COVID! [18:07] DaemonFC Nobody who gets it tests positive for COVID, and now it's going through her church too. [18:07] DaemonFC So we definitely have something else going on here that's worse than COVID, and the "noise" only talks about MAGAvirus. [18:08] *activelow remembers [18:08] DaemonFC schestowitz, My packages arrived. [18:08] DaemonFC Now I don't have to worry about that getting stolen if it takes a while to get a COVID test. [18:08] activelow often it is blood circulation issues involved, thrombosis, when oxygenation isn't the first and only adviseable treatment [18:09] TR News 6 Ways #elementaryOS Is Perfect for Digital Minimalists Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158885 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:09] TR Bot 6 Ways elementary OS Is Perfect for Digital Minimalists | Tux Machines [18:09] DaemonFC schestowitz, I'm drinking hot green tea with honey. [18:09] DaemonFC Mandy can't get enough of it. [18:09] DaemonFC But it helps with the throat and I can at least speak a little again if I don't overdo it. [18:09] DaemonFC I sound like the fucking Wishmaster. [18:09] schestowitz-TR lol [18:10] DaemonFC "I see a wrongfully accused man who would like to make his attorney pay for the suffering that he has caused!" [18:10] schestowitz-TR except you cannot fulfill anything [18:10] DaemonFC "I believe you said that you wanted to see him go fuck himself....mmmmm....wish granted." [18:10] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [18:11] DaemonFC Well, at least there's an upside to having a cold. [18:11] DaemonFC I can amuse myself all day with this. [18:11] TR News "I have ended up being rather overwhelmed at work toward the end of the year and my personal projects, including Gemini, have taken a backseat. Just wanted to provide some reassurance that I haven't disappeared into the aether again and I still hope to make some more spec updates before the end of the year." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007660.html [18:11] TR Bot Still alive... [18:12] TR News Zorin OS 16 Lite is a Classy Distro for Low-End PCs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158878#comment-32005 [18:12] TR Bot Zorin OS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition | Tux Machines [18:12] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: it's COLD-19 [18:13] MinceR fishmonster! [18:13] schestowitz-TR COVID On Lower Density [18:13] schestowitz-TR My thermometer tested me positive for cold [18:14] schestowitz-TR because the reading was HIGH1 [18:14] schestowitz-TR Medics [18:14] *activelow drinks another glas of water with some vitamin-C [18:14] schestowitz-TR they say you have a cold [18:14] schestowitz-TR when your body is too hot [18:15] schestowitz-TR maybe when I freeze to death here, no heating on.. the death cert will say, "died from heat" [18:15] DaemonFC Well, I'm sure it got the name because it gives you the chills. [18:16] schestowitz-TR cold sweat [18:16] schestowitz-TR humans have not evolved enough [18:16] schestowitz-TR body overheats in the cold [18:16] schestowitz-TR body sweats [18:16] schestowitz-TR then flushes [18:17] schestowitz-TR "intelligent design" [18:17] MinceR i thought it got the name because people are more likely to get it when it's cold [18:17] schestowitz-TR MinceR: you can get a heat stroke when it's hot [18:18] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [18:20] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I saw a graph that says as of October, people vaccinated with the Pfizer shot were 12 times less likely to die of COVID. Well, I mean, if that's even true, there's hardly a risk of death to people under 45. [18:20] activelow with or without vaccination [18:20] DaemonFC That much hasn't changed. It's like, you know, 1 in 1000 really, and that was a statistic from before they knew how to treat it. [18:21] DaemonFC So even that's out of date. [18:21] activelow today it was reported those who weren't "boostered" are accounted for as "unvaccinated" too, even when they got the fister miracle tincture injected [18:22] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [18:22] DaemonFC I knew the effort to contain it was a sham last year, early last year, like April. [18:22] activelow contain what? the propaganda fake news? [18:22] DaemonFC I called the Health Department in Lake County, IL, and gave them the name of a woman who tested positive and then kept coming back into Walmart to buy like 2 things and spend several hours in the store talking to people without her mask on. [18:23] TR News Linux Mint 20.3 beta being tested, is its release imminent? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158530#comment-32006 [18:23] TR Bot Linux Mint 20.3 Arriving Soon with a Surprise New App | Tux Machines [18:23] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [18:23] DaemonFC Then the person I spoke to said they weren't going to do anything about it because "She may not have anyone else to buy her groceries.". [18:23] DaemonFC They don't take it seriously and never have. [18:23] DaemonFC But when some restaurants opened back up, they went out there and wrote "nuisance" tickets. [18:23] TR News #Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158886 # #Linux #TuxMachines [18:23] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:24] DaemonFC It's a giant power grab, and they get to fine small business owners, and drive them under, as a form of harassment for having signs out last election for the Republican Party. [18:26] DaemonFC It's a never ending power grab by the left. [18:26] DaemonFC Now that they see they can scare the hell out of the people who vote for them and use them as muscle to help them commit atrocities, selectively, against everyone else. [18:27] DaemonFC The emergency never ends. [18:27] schestowitz-TR german stadiums are empty again [18:27] schestowitz-TR no spectators [18:27] schestowitz-TR so 2+ years later we're still not solving the problem :/ [18:27] DaemonFC I'll probably vote Republican for the governor next year. [18:27] schestowitz-TR well, I could stay home longer I guess, I work from home [18:28] DaemonFC He won't be powerful enough to do much of anything, but he can cancel the fake emergency that is completely unconstitutional that the statute does not even allow for. [18:28] *OneBTS has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:28] *Ariadne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:29] DaemonFC The Illinois Constitution guarantees the rule of law, and the Illinois Emergency Management Act, which claims the governor can respond to emergencies by suspending laws (unconstitutional) even says he can only do it for 30 days without the legislature stepping in. [18:29] *OneBTS (~sid117526@frp6gv52kp9fi.irc) has joined #techrights [18:30] *Ariadne (~sid506515@f7nyrize3ti94.irc) has joined #techrights [18:30] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:30] DaemonFC It's not real. They made it up. There is no underpinning for this because either it's unconstitutional to suspend laws, or the emergency has been going on for over a year and a half over the same reason he gave initially, which allows for 30 days. [18:30] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [18:31] DaemonFC If we had any real judges in this state, they'd have overturned it already, so the state is operating without a constitution, and anything the legislature does is in an "advisory role". [18:31] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:31] DaemonFC They can pass anything they want, and due to "emergency", the governor can suspend it indefinitely so that it never takes effect. [18:31] DaemonFC All over a cold. [18:31] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [18:32] schestowitz-TR [14:07] [Notice] -altlink_9ac to #boycottnovell-social- Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/12/07/trump-appointed-judge-suspends-bidens-vaccine-mandate-federal-contractors [18:32] DaemonFC Abortions have been deemed "essential healthcare". Dentistry is "not important". [18:32] TR Bot Trump-Appointed Judge Suspends Biden's Vaccine Mandate for Federal Contractors [18:32] DaemonFC From the party that brought you infanticide comes here, have your teeth rot out! [18:32] schestowitz-TR it's not "a cold\ [18:32] schestowitz-TR it's far worse [18:32] schestowitz-TR but you could argue the response was ill-advised [18:33] DaemonFC This is just absolutely hysterical on the part of the left. [18:33] DaemonFC No state has passed a total abortion ban. [18:33] DaemonFC Not even close. [18:34] DaemonFC They just want to be able to do it all the way up to 9 months without getting in any trouble for it because they're sick. [18:34] DaemonFC If you gave them another inch, they'd toss their baby into a furnace as well. [18:34] schestowitz-TR rianne reads billbc now [18:34] schestowitz-TR she says [18:35] schestowitz-TR "more masks, more home working" [18:35] schestowitz-TR which I like [18:35] DaemonFC If the Supreme Court wanted Roe to be settled law, they wouldn't have built it up on nonsense that doesn't exist in our constitution. [18:35] schestowitz-TR more job opportunitiesfor geeks in their home office [18:35] schestowitz-TR fewer maskless covidiots out there [18:35] schestowitz-TR also, the lockdowns have been most effective at reducing cases and deaths [18:35] kingoffrance DaemonFC, DaemonFC DaemonFC its all about who's definition "rule of law" https://www.un.org/ruleoflaw/what-is-the-rule-of-law/ long ago it meant maxims "spirit of law" roughly. [18:35] TR Bot What is the Rule of Law - United Nations and the Rule of Law [18:36] schestowitz-TR to just a handful of deaths per day [18:36] kingoffrance thats at least 3 right there [18:36] schestowitz-TR summer 2020 [18:36] schestowitz-TR with 2021 summer of 'freedom day' TEN TIMES more deaths [18:36] DaemonFC Chicago alone aborts over 10,000 babies per year now that the state pays for most of them. [18:36] DaemonFC If you add in the rest of the state, that's more people than die of COVID. [18:37] DaemonFC The Democrats have no plan to give poor black people in the city "prosperity". Just more abortions. I saw that, you know, I mean, if they wanted to help they could help by cutting the budget. [18:37] TR News Stable Kernels: 5.15.7, 5.10.84, 5.4.164, 4.19.220, 4.14.257, 4.9.292, and 4.4.294 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158887 #GPL #Linux #TuxMachines [18:37] TR Bot Stable Kernels: 5.15.7, 5.10.84, 5.4.164, 4.19.220, 4.14.257, 4.9.292, and 4.4.294 | Tux Machines [18:37] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [18:38] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/0nvf8mrb7bd61.png [18:38] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/0nvf8mrb7bd61.png [18:38] *activelow (~activelow@ctrbxhuyda94y.irc) has joined #techrights [18:38] DaemonFC Chicago budgets a lot of money to take their homes and give them to rich white liberals instead, and put in a Whole Foods. [18:38] DaemonFC Mr. Goolag would even move in and see nothing wrong about that, probably. [18:39] DaemonFC If you took that money and put it into a jobs program, or property tax relief for people who can't afford the normal rate, they could stay there and live better. [18:40] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Was it you that said the goal is to just drive the crime and poverty somewhere the Goolag clones wouldn't need to look at it was the goal? [18:41] DaemonFC I've lived exactly in that area. Not for long, but long enough to see that 99% of the people there were decent. But there's this horrible scourge that the police and courts have given up on doing anything about. [18:42] DaemonFC So they're often the victim because, you know, the attitude of the entitled left is such that, Microsoft was literally about to roll out a Maps program with Avoid Ghetto. [18:42] DaemonFC They still have the patent, btw. [18:42] DaemonFC https://www.syracuse.com/news/2012/01/microsoft_avoid_ghetto_app_windows_phone.html [18:42] Alternative link Cloudflare: syracuse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.syracuse.com/news/2012/01/microsoft_avoid_ghetto_app_windows_phone.html [18:42] TR Bot 'avoid ghetto' app for smartphones' GPS navigation stirs controversy - syracuse.com [18:43] SomeH4x0r I don't think abortions are counted as deaths [18:43] DaemonFC All of 9 years ago....ignore that. They're woke now. [18:44] DaemonFC "If they choose to include rape stats in their route recommendations, they may be arming ladies with some extra information." [18:45] SomeH4x0r as they don't consider fetus to be a proper human [18:45] DaemonFC I wonder if that would have any effect or if the rapists would just get on the L and go somewhere else in the city instead. [18:47] DaemonFC I was talking to John at one point. [18:47] DaemonFC I said "All of the crime happens near the red line stops up here.". [18:47] DaemonFC He said, "Yeah, it picks up all the criminals on the south side and it brings them up here to us.". [18:48] DaemonFC So we had crazy people stabbing senior citizens with screwdrivers and setting themselves on fire with gasoline on the train. [18:48] DaemonFC It was a pretty messed up place _before_ Mayor Beetlejuice. [18:49] TR News Same 'Linux' Foundation which shills #WSL for #microsoft ... https://www.linux.com/featured/linux-as-a-screensaver-for-windows-the-gift-of-open-source-games-and-sboms-for-the-holidays/ [18:49] TR Bot as a Screensaver for Windows: The Gift of Open Source Games and SBOMs for the Holidays - Linux.com [18:52] TR News #EasyOS : Why ISO was retired https://bkhome.org/news/202112/why-iso-was-retired.html #gnu #linux [18:52] TR Bot Why ISO was retired [18:52] SomeH4x0r ISO as in what? [18:53] SomeH4x0r oh, I see [18:53] DaemonFC The ISO is nearly irrelevant at this point. [18:54] DaemonFC There was once a point in time where they were an actual standards body with lack of anything better. [18:54] TR News Progress of #Pegasus investigations around the world https://internetfreedom.in/progress_of_pegasus_investigations/ #internetfreedom #internet [18:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/progress_of_pegasus_investigations/ [18:54] TR Bot Progress of Pegasus investigations around the world [18:54] SomeH4x0r > optical drives are rapidly receeding into history | are they? [18:55] DaemonFC Yes. [18:55] DaemonFC Most laptops don't have one anymore. [18:55] SomeH4x0r manufacturers fault [18:55] DaemonFC Which is fine. External USB ones aren't a huge deal if they break because you can throw it out without having a broken drive inside the laptop, and they cost $30-40. [18:56] SomeH4x0r USB ports can break as well. Including by means like USB killer. [18:57] schestowitz https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-announces-tools-to-measure-browser-performance-on-android-and-linux/ [18:57] TR Bot Microsoft announces tools to measure browser performance on Android and Linux - Neowin [18:57] schestowitz ?? [18:58] psydroid2 total control ● Dec 08 [19:01] SomeH4x0r I don't like to "adapt" to "progress". It is just an annoyance. [19:01] TR News Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.1 RC 2 https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-1-rc-2 #godotengine #games #gnu #linux [19:01] Alternative link Cloudflare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-1-rc-2 [19:01] TR Bot Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.1 RC 2 [19:02] MinceR if(browser == "Edge") score *= 2; [19:02] SomeH4x0r I only blame ones who build computers for the absence of CD drives [19:02] MinceR i have a USB DVD writer :> [19:03] schestowitz MinceR: I have a USB writert [19:03] schestowitz RW even [19:03] schestowitz limitless [19:03] *betsy has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:04] schestowitz some pmp's have a usb witer tyoo [19:04] SomeH4x0r This decade-old laptop is enough. No real reason to buy anything else. [19:04] schestowitz e.g. to delete songs ;-) [19:05] schestowitz SomeH4x0r: donchu support de economyyy? [19:05] MinceR donchu know who i am?! [19:06] schestowitz santa is ready to make you ANOTHER lapto [19:06] schestowitz don't be "spoilsport" [19:06] SomeH4x0r got some new computer at later point (which I rarely use), because school started enforcing incompatible stuff after a lockdown [19:06] schestowitz go out and cosume [19:06] schestowitz enjoy the "shopping experience" [19:06] schestowitz with aura and ambiance and stuff [19:06] MinceR santa casts Polymorph Any Objects, and you are now a laptop [19:06] MinceR s/cts/ct/ [19:08] psydroid2 I have a pile of DVD drives I took out of my systems [19:09] DaemonFC donchu know who i am?! [19:09] DaemonFC "I'm the guy who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons!" [19:09] DaemonFC *cough cough cough* [19:09] MinceR lol [19:09] TR News #ZorinOS 16 Lite Gives Old PCs a Beautiful, Classy Makeover https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Cl5qXPY9OLk #gnu #linux [19:09] TR Bot Zorin OS 16 Lite Gives Old PCs a Beautiful, Classy Makeover [Review] - Invidious [19:10] DaemonFC I'm now feeling sapped of energy even though I just woke up a couple of hours ago. [19:10] DaemonFC This isn't going in the right direction. [19:12] psydroid2 Microsoft should write "billions" of applications for Windows and stop trying to port their crapware to other operating systems [19:12] DaemonFC Most of those applications for Windows are crap. [19:12] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: or buy a million game studios [19:12] DaemonFC If Wine just targets the few important ones, that's fine. [19:13] psydroid2 They could write more of them and leave us alone [19:13] TR News "Only that, at the time, there were a lot of automation tasks and there was this new shiny programming language, Perl" https://raku-advent.blog/2021/12/08/day-8-practice-on-advent-of-code/ #perl #rakulang #programming [19:13] TR Bot Day 8 Practice on Advent of Code Raku Advent Calendar [19:13] psydroid2 schestowitz-TR, that too, especially now that PC gaming is in decline [19:13] DaemonFC There's at least several new Windows APIs every couple of weeks added to Wine, so on the whole, things start working more and more as a natural consequence of that. [19:13] DaemonFC You add some to get something working, turns out it helps other stuff run too. [19:14] DaemonFC It's not like Windows is some sort of ascendant operating system that's undergoing rapid development. [19:14] DaemonFC Almost all of the APIs that are going to exist are there already, and Microsoft is continuing to neglect it terribly with Windows "11". [19:15] psydroid2 Wine is already a better Windows than Windows itself, because it gets out of the way and just runs the applications you need and not hundreds of unnecessary services (or slaves) [19:15] TR News Access Now to Telegram: protect the rights of 500 million people - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/telegram-protect-the-rights-of-500-million-people/ #accessnow should know #telegram is #ProprietarySoftware and considered unsafe. Recommend better things...? [19:15] Alternative link Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/telegram-protect-the-rights-of-500-million-people/ [19:15] TR Bot Access Now to Telegram: protect the rights of 500 million people - Access Now [19:15] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: Microsoft should but MSFT [19:15] schestowitz-TR for $5,000 billion [19:15] schestowitz-TR to increase its market cap [19:15] schestowitz-TR and pose to investors [19:15] schestowitz-TR *buy [19:16] DaemonFC More effort is going into Wine lately to convert everything to PE to look to applications that closely inspect the environment like a real Windows installation than adding APIs. [19:16] DaemonFC That's kind of telling, you know, at what stage Wine development has reached. [19:17] DaemonFC New APIs are less important than quacking like a duck when you have some anti-cheat program running or something. [19:18] SomeH4x0r they say "anti-cheat", while in fact it is a rootkit, they just found a "legal" excuse [19:19] psydroid2 Vista 11 has many problems and very little uptake and Vista 10 is more or less set in stone, so Wine has plenty of time to catch up, if there even is any catching up left to do [19:19] psydroid2 yes [19:19] DaemonFC Windows 10 will remain on most computers that run Windows for years. [19:19] psydroid2 anti-cheat = anti-consumer [19:19] psydroid2 malware [19:19] DaemonFC The only real news coming out about Windows 11 is how Microsoft managed to bungle so many things that settled down in Windows 10. [19:20] DaemonFC The marketing budget is spent and the real story unfolds. [19:20] TR News "This was not the year of the Linux Desktop. Weve been slacking on the mailbag, so we go on a feedback frenzy and answer some hard questions about desktop Linux." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/146932/desktop-burnout-linux-unplugged-435/ [19:20] Alternative link Cloudflare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/146932/desktop-burnout-linux-unplugged-435/ [19:20] TR Bot Desktop Burnout | LINUX Unplugged 435 | Jupiter Broadcasting [19:20] DaemonFC No longer about blue ice cream, but about BIOS hacks for DRM to work and broken process schedulers, and broken file management. [19:20] DaemonFC Edge becoming a bigger pest, which they probably will sabotage Windows 10 with too. [19:20] DaemonFC For uniformity. [19:21] TR News #Walmart lets orders to PO Boxes go through, then sends them to FedEx, which cant put anything in a PO Box. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/12/08/walmart-lets-orders-to-po-boxes-go-through-then-sends-them-to-fedex-which-cant-put-anything-in-a-po-box/ #baronhk | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest [19:21] TR Bot Walmart lets orders to PO Boxes go through, then sends them to FedEx, which cant put anything in a PO Box. BaronHK's Rants [19:21] TR Bot Social Control Media Posts [19:21] SomeH4x0r was World of Warcraft (released in 2004, developed since at least 1999) the first multiplayer game with such spyware (iirc EFF said itOC is a "new feature" back then)? Or it was even earlier? [19:21] psydroid2 Microsoft has become the worst of IBM and DEC and there is nothing but going down for them to do [19:21] SomeH4x0r *said it is [19:22] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I found this. [19:22] DaemonFC I remember a President named Obama [19:22] DaemonFC Who rid us of that pesky Osama [19:22] DaemonFC But the backlash was strong [19:22] DaemonFC And we got Trump, which was wrong! [19:22] DaemonFC So now millennials have to live with their momma [19:23] DaemonFC Yes, you get $15 an hour, and the Democrats managed to cause so much inflation that it's only worth $7.25. [19:23] DaemonFC Enjoy! [19:23] DaemonFC -Biden [19:23] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, The Catholics posted a housekeeper job where mom used to work. [19:24] DaemonFC The top line read "Starts at $12-15 an hour.". [19:24] DaemonFC Then in the body of the listing, it says "Starts at $10 an hour.". [19:24] DaemonFC So I asked mom about this. [19:25] DaemonFC She said the boss said they have a $3,000 sign-on bonus for nurses, "but we don't pay it unless they mention it, and most don't notice it at all". [19:25] DaemonFC "Why can't we get any help?" Meanwhile, all the other places are doing $10,000 bonuses, $20,000 bonuses. [19:26] DaemonFC In Indiana that's a lot. You can get that sign-on bonus and it's enough for a 20-50% down payment on a house, unless you apply for a Catholic facility that only offers $3k and makes you go out of your way to notice it in size 1 font. [19:26] DaemonFC So there's a bunch of people who start there, don't get any bonus, and the place just keeps it. [19:30] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 10.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 117.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.21 [19:36] TR News #MicrosoftTim keeps pushing #RustLang for #Linux ; says a lot who stands to benefit from the move (clue: the company that owns and controls and occasionally manipulates #GitHub ) [19:38] TR News The 32 Best IDEs/Text Editors for C++ | Terminal Root https://en.terminalroot.com.br/the-32-best-ides-text-editors-for-cpp/ #cpp #programming #ide [19:38] TR Bot The 32 Best IDEs/Text Editors for C++ | Terminal Root [19:41] TR News #ibm #redhat thinks the best of #rhel this year is #microsoft #csharp (yes, no kidding) https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/12/08/red-hat-enterprise-linux-best-2021 [19:41] TR Bot Red Hat Enterprise Linux: The best of 2021 | Red Hat Developer [19:42] TR News #ibm #redhat predicts that next year too will be Year of the Clown https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/12/tech-predictions-2022 #clownComputing [19:42] TR Bot 10 tech predictions for 2022 | The Enterprisers Project [19:42] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [19:43] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@9z833ybby7ta4.irc) has joined #techrights [19:43] TR News #redhat / #ibm is "inclusive" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/12/hybrid-work-3-tips except when it's not http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Racism [19:43] TR Bot 3 tips for an inclusive hybrid workplace | The Enterprisers Project [19:43] TR Bot IBM - Techrights [19:47] TR News The problem is the browser and the #www rather than #debian #gnu #linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian Debian should start packaging #geminiProtocol clients... [19:47] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian [19:47] TR Bot Sad State Of Web Browser Support Currently Within Debian - Phoronix [19:48] TR News When #microsoft controls the #kubernetes blog to shill #nsa backdoored crap like #windows https://kubernetes.io/blog/2021/12/08/dual-stack-networking-ga/ [19:48] TR Bot Kubernetes 1.23: Dual-stack IPv4/IPv6 Networking Reaches GA | Kubernetes [19:50] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/1bessozul4e61.jpeg [19:50] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/1bessozul4e61.jpeg [19:50] TR News "I just have many vivid memories of the 90's browser wars and #microsoft 'encouraging' adopting of their specific additions and nonstandard components to HTML." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007662.html [19:50] TR Bot Still alive... [19:53] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:54] TR News Vanilla #Vim is fun | https://opensource.com/article/21/12/vanilla-vim-config #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #Linux [19:54] TR Bot Vim is fun | Opensource.com [19:59] TR News #IBM / #RedHat and #Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158888 #GNU #TuxMachines [19:59] TR Bot IBM/Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines ● Dec 08 [20:02] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158889 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:02] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [20:03] TR News Smells like a 'plug'... https://pointieststick.com/2021/12/07/what-a-good-laptop-needs/ is this a paid-for post?? [20:03] TR Bot What a great laptop needs Adventures in Linux and KDE [20:03] TR News Modern Features In Classic Radio | Hackaday

Read more [20:03] TR Bot Features In Classic Radio | Hackaday [20:05] schestowitz-TR MinceR: is archlinuyx canada based? [20:05] schestowitz-TR distrowatch says it is [20:05] schestowitz-TR and afaik they make a new iso each month [20:05] schestowitz-TR so there's never like a major release of it [20:06] schestowitz-TR just rolling on and on [20:06] MinceR \_()_/ [20:06] MinceR being systemd-based is bad enough [20:06] TR News Audiocasts/Shows: Desktop Burnout, Zorin OS 16, and KDE Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158890 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:06] TR Bot Audiocasts/Shows: Desktop Burnout, Zorin OS 16, and KDE | Tux Machines [20:06] MinceR being so because they couldn't write or copy rc scripts worth a damn is even worse [20:06] schestowitz-TR MinceR: worse than canadian? [20:06] MinceR and so's dragging their feet about implementing package signing [20:07] schestowitz-TR signed by who? [20:07] MinceR the distributor [20:07] schestowitz-TR is it like sigstore? [20:07] MinceR no [20:07] schestowitz-TR ah, OK, different [20:07] schestowitz-TR not LF crap [20:07] schestowitz-TR Gulag+IBM [20:07] MinceR indeed [20:07] schestowitz-TR sigsotre is IBM+Google mostly [20:07] schestowitz-TR LF fronting [20:07] schestowitz-TR IBM knows a gulag when it sees one [20:07] MinceR they even used to remove documentation from packages and tell you to look it up online, i'm not sure if they still do that [20:07] schestowitz-TR $_$ [20:08] MinceR there are several reasons to avoid arch and i'm not aware of any reason to particularly want to use it [20:08] schestowitz-TR system dehomag [20:08] schestowitz-TR MinceR: so you would not recommend arch [20:08] schestowitz Arch 2021.12.01 is out [20:09] MinceR i would not [20:10] schestowitz-TR good to know [20:10] *bleb_ (~cm@user/bleb) has joined #techrights [20:10] schestowitz-TR as I took you use of it as a semi-endorsement [20:10] schestowitz-TR Debian is still OK for me [20:10] schestowitz-TR I don't complain, there's not much to complain about [20:10] MinceR i don't use arch [20:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:10] MinceR i tried it out ages ago [20:11] MinceR and then went back to debian or something like that [20:11] Techrights-sec are those who are not testifying at the trial, but could, staying out to [20:11] Techrights-sec protect bill? [20:11] XRevan86 schestowitz: MinceR is a non-compomising hater of systemd, I am surprised ye would think MinceR would even slightly endorse it. [20:11] schestowitz-TR interesting question [20:11] schestowitz-TR there are two bills to protect [20:11] MinceR XRevan86: what's next, "graybeard"? [20:11] MinceR wanting to run a free unix system makes people "haters" [20:11] schestowitz-TR it's a PR tactic [20:11] schestowitz-TR Team Mono used it [20:12] schestowitz-TR all who hate us are haters [20:12] XRevan86 MinceR: Didn't think ye would take offence to that. [20:12] schestowitz-TR raspi: "Microsoft bashing" [20:12] XRevan86 MinceR: Consider that ye make your hate towards systemd very clear very often. [20:12] schestowitz-TR translation: people not wanting to be spied on by Microsoft [20:12] MinceR back when i tried arch, it didn't use systemd, iirc [20:12] XRevan86 * Considering [20:12] MinceR but it was already unappealing [20:12] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: it is not hatred [20:12] schestowitz-TR it's rejection [20:12] schestowitz-TR not the same thing [20:13] MinceR largely because a lot of documentation was unavailable to install [20:13] schestowitz-TR I don't hate everything I do not use [20:13] XRevan86 schestowitz: He brings it up even when systemd is just present in the room somewhere. [20:13] schestowitz-TR it's being foisted upon us [20:13] schestowitz-TR it's not a choice [20:14] schestowitz-TR so we can say, "DO NOT WANT!!" [20:14] *bleb has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:14] *bleb_ is now known as bleb [20:14] XRevan86 When one says "systemd bad" even when the topic is apt dependency solving, it's going a bit too far. [20:14] schestowitz-TR gee, did I just compare LP to pedobear? [20:14] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: maybe not [20:15] schestowitz-TR because it's everywhere [20:15] schestowitz-TR it's hard to know if systemd is NOT to blame [20:15] schestowitz-TR it took over so many system functions [20:15] schestowitz-TR to the point of breaking some under particular scenarios [20:15] schestowitz-TR and debugging it can be hard [20:15] schestowitz-TR so you need to buy IBM support [20:15] schestowitz-TR or retrain [20:15] schestowitz-TR or open a Microsoft account [20:15] MinceR iirc the topic was not apt dependency solving but breaking a linux mint install through sheer stupidity :> [20:15] schestowitz-TR to report/study bugs [20:15] schestowitz-TR that, to me, is a step back [20:16] XRevan86 MinceR: It was a Pop!_OS installation. [20:16] schestowitz-TR unless you're Big Dehomag [20:16] MinceR oh, right, another lendows flavor [20:16] MinceR unofficial flavor, even [20:16] MinceR not blessed by ibm [20:16] MinceR but then, debian does use dependencies as a weapon against users who don't want to run programs considered holy by the people in charge of debian [20:17] schestowitz-TR might get mugshot of graveley next week (police/arrest) [20:17] XRevan86 MinceR: Time to go full Flatpak then? [20:17] MinceR lol wut [20:17] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [20:17] XRevan86 No dependencies, no problem? [20:17] MinceR no [20:17] schestowitz-TR lol [20:17] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@dmw5b4ab5hxvs.irc) has joined #techrights [20:18] MinceR it's better to switch to a real OS [20:18] schestowitz-TR app mentality [20:18] schestowitz-TR or windows [20:18] schestowitz-TR more like app [20:18] schestowitz-TR or container [20:18] schestowitz-TR one OS, 10 OSes in it [20:18] schestowitz-TR one for each browser [20:18] XRevan86 MinceR: Who's to say "real OS" doesn't use dependencies as a weapon? [20:19] MinceR because that's not what a real OS is designed for [20:19] MinceR its purpose is not "hey, let's make sure that people who don't want any of our shiny new malware don't get to avoid using it!" [20:20] XRevan86 MinceR: So a real OS is Gentoo? [20:20] XRevan86 I don't know why it took me so long to figure this puzzle out. [20:20] MinceR probably [20:20] MinceR there are a couple real OS-es for now [20:20] SomeH4x0r iirc Gentoo still has a package manager [20:20] SomeH4x0r define "real" though [20:21] MinceR and there's nothing wrong with having a package manager [20:21] MinceR XRevan86 is trying real hard to twist my words [20:21] XRevan86 SomeH4x0r: Gentoo is flexible enough to fully support having systemd and not having systemd to a point where even libsystemd is not present, because nothing was linked with it. [20:22] XRevan86 Because the user is the one who chooses whether to link stuff in or not. [20:24] *psydroid2 wonders when systemd is becoming a part of a new POSIX standard [20:25] schestowitz-TR it would be a POS [20:25] schestowitz-TR no *IX in it [20:25] schestowitz-TR or *NIX [20:25] schestowitz-TR seems like a very non-modular thing [20:25] MinceR don't they consider POSIX to be obsolete already and push The Closed Group's SUS instead? [20:25] schestowitz-TR immodouar if it was a word [20:25] schestowitz-TR *immoidular [20:25] psydroid2 System V Release 6 [20:26] MinceR (which is basically "give us a lot of money and you can use the trademarks novell handed off to us") [20:26] psydroid2 or System VI [20:26] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: systemd can work OK [20:26] schestowitz-TR I get stuck sometimes when things do not work well [20:26] XRevan86 What bothers me is that even Alpine may stop being a "real OS" when MinceR decides that a "real OS" must not contain libpulse ever. [20:26] psydroid2 ah, the Systemd standard [20:26] schestowitz-TR the extra layers of complexity don't help [20:26] schestowitz-TR and old howtos are no longer "relkevant" [20:27] schestowitz-TR soon the manuals with certain "bad" words in them will also be outdated [20:27] MinceR XRevan86: why does my opinion bother you so much? [20:27] psydroid2 what used to apply to GNU/Linux still applies to OpenBSD [20:27] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: IBM will dump puse too some time soon [20:27] schestowitz-TR for pipewire [20:27] schestowitz-TR move fast [20:27] schestowitz-TR break linux [20:27] MinceR oh, also, poettering explicitly said he ignores POSIX [20:28] schestowitz-TR avahi [20:28] XRevan86 schestowitz: * libpipewire / libpulse [20:28] schestowitz "The Avahi project started in 2004 because Apple's Zeroconf implementation, Bonjour, used the GPL-incompatible Apple Public Source License. In 2006 Apple relicensed parts of Bonjour under the Apache License.[2]" [20:28] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_(software) [20:28] TR Bot Avahi (software) - Wikipedia [20:30] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [20:30] XRevan86 MinceR: Why did it bother you that I called you a hater of systemd? I thought it's only accurate. [20:31] XRevan86 MinceR: The point I'm making is that for a compiled distribution it's impossible to be a "real OS" by your criteria. [20:31] MinceR seemed both irrelevant and something that has turned extremely repetitive [20:32] MinceR and that point is wrong [20:32] XRevan86 MinceR: Aren't ye pointing at Devuan and the libelogind dependency that is going to be present regardless? [20:32] MinceR there's no need to avoid binary packages to stop e.g. building OpenSSH with a nearly functionless libsystemd0 dependency while telling your users that running a debian system without systemd is still supported [20:33] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: it is a hard thing to remove [20:33] schestowitz-TR I can swap out most things [20:33] schestowitz-TR it's a massive challenge [20:33] schestowitz-TR like whose reinstall [20:34] schestowitz-TR to get systemd off a machine [20:34] schestowitz-TR unlike most other packages [20:34] schestowitz-TR except maybe Linux [20:34] schestowitz-TR I doubt you can change to another kernel on a 'live' system and just boot into some BDS [20:34] schestowitz-TR *BSD [20:34] XRevan86 schestowitz: When a hatred^W rejection of systemd is so strong that even the library is to be avoided, suddenly a distribution even giving systemd as an option becomes unacceptable. [20:34] schestowitz-TR gnu linux-libre is just linux with less stuff [20:35] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: distros do not give it as an option [20:35] schestowitz-TR it's not optional [20:35] schestowitz-TR try apk/apt/yum remove systemd [20:35] schestowitz-TR see how that goes [20:35] XRevan86 schestowitz: The Debian/Devuan thing kind of is that, since Devuan uses the Debian package tree. [20:35] schestowitz-TR dnf [20:36] XRevan86 schestowitz: They found a funky workaround with libelogind, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of packages in the Devuan package tree (i.e. taken from Debian) were built with libsystemd. [20:37] XRevan86 It's a discussion that MinceR and I have for so many years. [20:37] TR News Kernel: Intel, Google, and WireGuard Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158891 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:37] TR Bot Kernel: Intel, Google, and WireGuard | Tux Machines [20:37] MinceR XRevan86: so, what is the benefit of linking something like OpenSSH to that library? [20:40] XRevan86 MinceR: https://salsa.debian.org/ssh-team/openssh/-/blob/master/debian/patches/systemd-readiness.patch [20:40] TR Bot debian/patches/systemd-readiness.patch master Debian SSH Maintainers / openssh GitLab [20:41] XRevan86 Makes it work better with systemd, believe it or not. [20:44] MinceR that doesn't really explain anything [20:46] XRevan86 > The best systemd behavior, though, would come from adding sd_notify support so that sshd can affirmatively tell systemd whether it succeeded in startup or not, and then using Type=notify. Then sshd startup won't be considered complete until the sshd daemon calls sd_notify, and the correct status will be reported if it exits for some reason before doing so. [20:46] MinceR i'm not sure why this is considered to be such a great and important feature [20:46] MinceR what guarantees that the daemon won't fail, freeze or crash _after_ it passes that particular point in execution? [20:47] TR News Links 8/12/2021: Linux 5.15.7 Out, #LinuxMint 20.3 is Near Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/linux-mint-20-3/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/linux-mint-20-3/ [20:47] TR Bot Links 8/12/2021: Linux 5.15.7 Out, Linux Mint 20.3 is Near | Techrights [20:47] TR News #Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158892 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:47] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:48] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158893 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:48] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [20:48] XRevan86 MinceR: This is for "Restart=on-failure" [20:49] MinceR so you want OpenSSH to restart in a loop if and only if it fails before that point in execution [20:49] MinceR why is that a good thing? [20:49] immibis MinceR: you put the feature AFTER all the points where the daemon can fail, freeze or crash on startup... [20:49] immibis int main() {initialize(); sd_notify(); while(true) {serve_requests();}} [20:50] immibis then, systemd still considers sshd as "starting up" until initialization is done [20:50] immibis this is actually a useful feature for any process manager and i wish the implementation wasn't systemd-specific [20:51] schestowitz https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/12/microsoft-performance-tools-linux/ [20:51] TR Bot reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/12/microsoft-performance-tools-linux/ ) [20:51] schestowitz more junk [20:52] MinceR immibis: it can fail anywhere [20:53] MinceR and if you say that its dependents should only start after it's initialized, well, the above code has a race condition for that [20:53] immibis does it? what is the race condition? [20:53] MinceR sd_notify(); sends the notification; dependent service starts, tries to connect and fails; while loop starts [20:53] immibis there is no race condition when accepting connections, because creating the server socket is part of the initialize step, and after that, incoming connections are buffered by the kernel until serve_requests() [20:54] MinceR sounds like you could just watch for the server socket being created [20:54] immibis you want dependents to POLL?! [20:54] MinceR maybe the service manager could do it [20:54] immibis systemd probably has that feature. downstream services shouldn't need to [20:54] immibis still why should systemd need to poll? [20:54] MinceR then again, maybe you could just use xinetd for that [20:54] TR News This Extension Reproduces Old Fashioned Desktop Cube in GNOME 40 / 41 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158835#comment-32011 [20:55] TR Bot Enable This Cool 3D Cube Desktop Effect on Ubuntu 21.10 | Tux Machines [20:55] immibis polling is a hack [20:55] TR News The 10 Best Ubuntu-Based Linux Distributions of All Time Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158894 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:55] TR Bot The 10 Best Ubuntu-Based Linux Distributions of All Time | Tux Machines [20:55] MinceR so is using a systemd-specific interface to signal readiness [20:55] immibis MinceR: you will be shocked to know that systemd ALSO supports not starting the service until after it receives its first connection, like xinetd, although i think the interface is different [20:55] immibis well yeah i did say it probably shouldn't be systemd-specific because it is a good idea for all init systems [20:55] MinceR but of course it isn't going to work any other way when the people pushing for this don't _want_ anyone to have a choice of service managers [20:56] immibis have you tried implementing the systemd interface? [20:56] MinceR no [20:56] MinceR a lot of its "interface" relies on dbugs, which is an abomination [20:58] immibis this is open source software, the saying is code or gtfo. now that's not an option for systemd because it's pretty closed to design changes AIUI. so make a wrapper that converts systemd insanity into whatever you like [20:58] MinceR yeah, i know that one [20:59] MinceR "just fork MY software and use it, because it's "open source"" [20:59] MinceR "if you don't like MY way of doing things then you're just a hater and a bigot!" ● Dec 08 [21:00] immibis who said anything about haters and bigots [21:00] immibis open source is a meritocracy and the free market has decided the systemd guy is much much better than you [21:01] MinceR that's a free market? [21:01] XRevan86 immibis: I called MinceR a systemd hater, didn't expect a strong reaction from that. [21:01] hyperreal hi all [21:01] MinceR also, no, "open source" is not a meritocracy [21:01] MinceR "open source" is an attack on free software, driven by the fiercest enemies of free software [21:02] immibis MinceR: believe it or not, free markets don't always go your way [21:02] immibis absolutely no government is mandating the use of systemd in linux distros [21:02] MinceR "open source" is a method to accommodate OSPS and try to dress it up as if it was equivalent to free software [21:02] MinceR immibis: so i take it you haven't heard of Restricted Boot either [21:03] MinceR or how red hat and canonical paid their alleged competitor microsoft to gain temporary entry into the PC OS market [21:03] immibis absolutely no government is mandating the use of restricted boot [21:03] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [21:03] immibis at least not for YOUR computer. maybe they use it internally [21:03] MinceR microsoft's deals with OEMs apparently mandate it [21:03] immibis microsoft is not a government [21:03] immibis OEMs are not a government [21:03] MinceR because it's practically impossible to get a new PC without such malware on it [21:03] MinceR so what? [21:03] immibis and OEMs are just companies that assemble PCs for you. Try assembling your own instead [21:03] immibis it comes without microsoft [21:03] MinceR when private corporations distort the market with government help, that doesn't count? [21:04] immibis the government does not help microsoft make deals with OEMs about restricted boot [21:04] MinceR yeah, try manufacturing your own x86 CPUs and see if the government will help the x86 cartel punish you and stop you from doing so [21:04] immibis one time I tried manufacturing my own money and the government helped the money cartel punish me and stop me from doing so [21:04] immibis one time I tried robbing my own bank and the government helped the bank cartel punish me and stop me from doing so [21:05] MinceR do you have an actual point or are you merely trying to waste everybody's time? [21:05] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [21:05] immibis free markets are not magic do-everything-the-way-i-like machines [21:05] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [21:05] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:05] immibis if you want everything done the way you like then do it yourself [21:05] MinceR free markets are not machines [21:06] MinceR they're merely markets that are free [21:06] XRevan86 Maybe a free market would have been more feasible if the manufacturing process wasn't patented through and through. [21:06] MinceR and it's obvious to anyone who has spent a decade in the industry that the PC OS market is not a free market [21:06] XRevan86 It's a funny anecdote that patents were invented to help the little guy. [21:06] MinceR indeed [21:07] MinceR copyrights aren't better either [21:08] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [21:09] immibis is the government enforcing PCs to come with a certain OS? [21:09] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [21:10] schestowitz Micro Larabel https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MS-Performance-Tools-Linux [21:10] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MS-Performance-Tools-Linux [21:10] TR Bot Releases Performance Tools For Linux/Android - Phoronix [21:10] hyperreal @MinceR what Unix-like distro do you use? [21:10] MinceR OpenBSD, Bedrock, Devuan [21:10] hyperreal (you may have told me the other day, but I forgot) [21:10] schestowitz VERY IMPORTANT News from Phoronix [21:10] MinceR oh, also postmarketOS [21:10] schestowitz postgresOS next [21:11] schestowitz everything as a file = unix [21:11] MinceR lol [21:11] schestowitz everything as a DB = postgresOS [21:12] hyperreal MinceR I see you are more of a Unix purist [21:12] MinceR immibis: the point isn't really whether the government is interfering with the market or not. but some of the things they do (such as enforcing patents) do interfere [21:12] MinceR well, i'm someone who got tired of the brokenness of windows and moved to GNU/Linux [21:12] MinceR then the windows people moved to GNU/Linux and started turning it into windows [21:12] TR News How many #gnu #linux 'news' sites seriously think that #microsoft vomiting stuff out is "news" to GNU/Linux users? Links and context omitted, but #phoronix joins Microsoft boosters like #neowin [21:12] MinceR and i haven't grown to like windows in the meantime [21:14] hyperreal I see [21:14] hyperreal MinceR do you have a Gemini capsule? [21:14] TR News "A big improvement has been merged into XWayland called DRM (Direct Rendering Manager) Leasing, which should allow good VR support under Wayland. Something we've been waiting on!" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/xwayland-gets-drm-leasing-support-for-helping-vr-on-linux [21:14] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/xwayland-gets-drm-leasing-support-for-helping-vr-on-linux [21:14] TR Bot gets DRM leasing support for helping VR on Linux | GamingOnLinux [21:14] MinceR not yet [21:14] MinceR i don't even have much of a website currently [21:15] schestowitz-TR I can help if you need it [21:15] MinceR i don't really have anything to put there :> [21:16] schestowitz-TR maybe run a mirror for .hu news [21:16] schestowitz-TR there's that guy from budapest who does charting of gemini stas [21:16] schestowitz-TR botond or whatever [21:17] MinceR i have other stuff to do [21:17] schestowitz-TR fair enough [21:17] MinceR i have actually put some code up on codeberg though [21:18] schestowitz-TR you can put git in gemini [21:18] schestowitz-TR we posted all the code [21:18] schestowitz-TR agplv3 [21:18] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [21:19] schestowitz XRevan86: oh wow [21:19] schestowitz http://opennet.ru/ [21:19] TR Bot OpenNet ?? "www" - ??????? ???? ???? ? ????? ?, Linux, BSD ? Unix ????? [21:19] schestowitz I've just realised tuxmachines is at the bottom of all the pages [21:20] XRevan86 schestowitz: Um, what? [21:20] schestowitz-TR tuxmachines is syndicated there [21:20] schestowitz-TR in the footers of pages, sort of [21:21] *XRevan86 doesn't see it. [21:21] SomeH4x0r I didn't notice anything either [21:21] schestowitz e.g. http://opennet.ru/english.shtml [21:22] schestowitz e.g. http://opennet.ru/english.shtml [21:22] TR Bot The OpenNet Project - English index [21:22] schestowitz see bottom [21:22] XRevan86 Oh, English OpenNET I had no idea that exists :) [21:22] SomeH4x0r oh, I opened the main page, which is in Russian [21:22] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: it it the "foreign agent" section [21:23] MinceR :) [21:23] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [21:23] XRevan86 I guess it's to track the news to grab. [21:23] TR News "it was a great opportunity to ask him for more details about the market and where everything is headed (and if Linux fits anywhere currently)." https://boilingsteam.com/the-dramatic-rise-of-esports-worldwide/ [21:24] TR Bot The Dramatic Rise of Esports Worldwide - Boiling Steam [21:25] TR News "In a world where browser extensions basically deliver discounts t e-commerce sites as soon as theyre needed, it can be strange to consider the printed coupon in that context." https://tedium.co/2021/12/08/manufacturers-coupon-history/ [21:25] Alternative link Cloudflare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2021/12/08/manufacturers-coupon-history/ [21:25] TR Bot Manufacturers Coupon History: Running Discounts, With Scissors [21:26] TR News Germanys new government will firmly defend encryption, key Social Democrat says - EURACTIV.com https://www.euractiv.com/section/data-protection/interview/germanys-new-government-will-firmly-defend-encryption-key-social-democrat-says/ #euractiv is bribed by #billgates and occasionally published lies, so let's see how this goes... [21:26] TR Bot new government will firmly defend encryption, key Social Democrat says EURACTIV.com [21:27] schestowitz activelow: ^^ [21:29] MinceR https://www.madmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imce/2014/06-JUN/Don-Martin_Around-Noon-on-a-Movie-Set_53908a59427474.29237856.jpg [21:29] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [21:30] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 166.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.17 [21:31] TR News The intriguing implications of SFC v Vizio http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156985#comment-32013 [21:31] TR Bot Vizio Sued for GPL Violations | Tux Machines [21:33] TR News "A #css based keylogger" #www #Surveillance #SurveillanceCaptalism https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007663.html [21:33] TR Bot [Tech] The security consequences of the Web complexity [21:35] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: see you tomorrow) [21:36] immibis MinceR: are you opposed to property rights? [21:37] schestowitz-TR define that [21:37] schestowitz-TR is land property? [21:37] immibis define property rights? [21:37] schestowitz-TR ideas property? [21:37] schestowitz-TR yes, define it [21:37] immibis property rights are generally when you can trade the right to shoot other people if they do certain things [21:38] schestowitz-TR even "property" itself need defining [21:38] immibis or the indirect right to shoot or imprison people [21:38] immibis reducing all possible punishments to "shooting" or "imprisonment" is a libertarian pastime... [21:38] MinceR immibis: no, i'm not opposed to property rights [21:38] MinceR but i don't consider Imaginary Property to be property [21:39] immibis it sounds like you don't think people should own their work output. are you a communist? [21:40] SomeH4x0r I support the opinion that copyright is imaginary [21:40] immibis sounds communist [21:40] SomeH4x0r I don't consider it to be property [21:40] MinceR no, the communists are the ones who try to centrally control who may enter a particular market [21:40] immibis in this here capitalist economy we believe in people pulling up their own bootstraps and doing whatever they like with the things they create [21:41] MinceR like microsoft [21:41] SomeH4x0r because it is another thing, something that can be copied and distributed indefinitely. You wouldn't download a car [21:41] immibis it's only communist when a government does it [21:41] MinceR i would download a car if i could [21:41] MinceR well, then there's an easy solution for you [21:41] MinceR rename the government to something that is not "government" [21:41] SomeH4x0r I don't like the presence of the police on the Internet [21:41] MinceR boom, they're allowed to do anything! [21:42] psydroid2 free software magically became open source! [21:42] immibis that is unironically what libertarians want [21:42] immibis do we have a derogatory term for libertarians? [21:42] immibis fun fact: true anarchy has been tried, and it evolved into governments [21:43] TR News #CrowdStrike itself is #Microsoft -connected, as I noted many dozens of times over the years https://nitter.eu/stautistic/status/1468334293084561410?s=21 [21:43] TR Bot mitchel lewis (@stautistic): "Microsoft has a monopoly on almost every threat vector, is the most expensive architecture by far, and is a champion of vendor lock-in. Meanwhile in journalism: Customers losing trust in Microsoft Where does journalism think Gates learned this trick? https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php" | nitter [21:43] MinceR fun fact: that doesn't make government a good idea [21:44] SomeH4x0r Anything that has its source code posted in publicly accessible sources is open source [21:45] schestowitz [21:42] free software magically became open source! [21:45] schestowitz Microsoft became "Loves Linux" [21:49] immibis MinceR: so you're an advocate of renaming government to something that's not "government" [21:49] immibis because that's what happens when you have no government: you do have a government, it's just not called that [21:50] SomeH4x0r "Freedom is slavery"? [21:50] SomeH4x0r don't break the language at least [21:51] MinceR immibis: no, i advocate enlightening people so they won't want a government and will disagree with the notion that it is moral for people to have authority over other people [21:51] MinceR immibis: also, i'm an advocate of not putting words in other people's mouths. ● Dec 08 [22:00] TR News #theregister became #wbspam or #spamfarm : "PAID POST... Sponsored by Kasten" https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/kubernetes_express_kasten/ see http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ [22:00] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/07/kubernetes_express_kasten/ [22:00] TR Bot Want to get aboard the Kubernetes Express? Start learning now The Register [22:00] TR Bot The Fall of The Register | Techrights [22:07] TR News Yet more of Microsoft inside the 'Linux' Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158828#comment-32015 [22:07] TR Bot 'Linux' Foundation Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:08] TR News Of course the latest #linuxfoundation project uses #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware hosting for the code. #deletegithub [22:11] *betsy has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:11] TR News #TWCN 'Tech' 'News' is 'covering' "Linux" today... telling #gnu #linux users to install a #microsoft PASSWORD STEALER. DO NOT TOUCH EDGE. It's malware. http://techrights.org/2021/11/17/microsoft-password-stealer/ [22:12] TR Bot Bruce Schneier: Microsoft Edge is Apparently a Password Stealer Too, Even on GNU/Linux | Techrights [22:13] TR News LOL. #ibm has just got a new kidney. "Hello! My name is Emma Kidney. I am currently an intern for the CPE (Community Platform Engineering) team at Red Hat." #redhat [22:14] MinceR (cat) https://i.imgur.com/hIXHGdZ.jpeg [22:14] Alternative link Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/hIXHGdZ.jpeg [22:15] TR News "Emma Kidney [...] an intern for the CPE (Community Platform Engineering) team at Red Hat [...] . I am interested in web accessibilty and universal design. I believe the web should be accessible for all, no matter what your abilities are." So tell #redhat to fix its Web sites. They shut out blind people and demand you run #ProprietarySoftware #javascript [22:15] schestowitz MinceR: pussy, cat [22:18] TR News #ibm #redhat focuses too much on optics and theatrics, using the diversity scope to distract from what IBM ACTUALLY is, and always was... yes, it also helped Hitler 'euthanise' hundreds of thousands of disabled people (Aktion T4) http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM [22:18] TR Bot IBM - Techrights [22:18] *Noisytoot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:19] TR News So what if #ibm founder was an enthusiastic fan of Hitler, right #redhat h RIGHT? Far-right? http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ [22:19] TR Bot Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights [22:20] TR News Come on, people. Give #IBM a break. It's not like it's some Nazi company. Oh... http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/edwin-black-2021/ [22:20] TR Bot New Interview With Edwin Black: IBM Has Never Apologised, Instead It Hid Its Role in Nazi Germany | Techrights [22:22] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights [22:22] immibis MinceR: if you don't have a government, then you do have a government, it's just not called that [22:23] immibis for example, google might be the government in that scenario. [22:23] TR News Zorin OS 16 Lite is a great Linux-based Windows 11 alternative for older PCs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158878#comment-32016 [22:23] TR Bot Zorin OS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition | Tux Machines [22:23] MinceR immibis: in that case, every person should be their own "government", with authority only over themselves [22:24] TR News Little Switzerlands: Alpine Kitsch in England The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/little-switzerlands-alpine-kitsch-in-england/ #publicdomainreview #publicdomain #Switzerland [22:24] TR Bot Little Switzerlands: Alpine Kitsch in England The Public Domain Review [22:24] schestowitz-TR MinceR: who 'owns' the government? [22:24] schestowitz-TR whose 'property'? [22:24] schestowitz-TR does a government have "rights"? [22:25] schestowitz-TR is the government an organism? [22:25] schestowitz-TR let's cross over to philosophy meme site [22:25] MinceR schestowitz-TR: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? [22:27] schestowitz-TR don't speak latin, but can guess what that says [22:27] MinceR "who watches the watchmen?" or something like that [22:27] TR News Meet Calculate Linux 22! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158875#comment-32017 [22:27] TR Bot Gentoo-Based Calculate Linux 22 Released with PipeWire, Improved System Updates | Tux Machines [22:27] schestowitz-TR well, with epo coverage we do lots of watching of european orgs [22:27] schestowitz-TR which is very rewarding [22:28] schestowitz-TR as the media is mostly asleep or dead(weight) [22:28] TR News "This release contains bug fixes to improve robustness. This release note describes whats different between Istio 1.12.0 and #Istio 1.12.1" https://istio.io/latest/news/releases/1.12.x/announcing-1.12.1/ [22:28] TR Bot Istio / Announcing Istio 1.12.1 [22:29] leah country/land = computer [22:29] leah state = operating system [22:29] leah government = operating system kernel [22:29] schestowitz-TR allocates resources [22:29] leah without a central government, you might end up with a series of smaller governments instead. and they might have to work with each other [22:29] schestowitz-TR sysytemd is..? [22:29] leah and then you might in that instance have a microkernel [22:30] schestowitz-TR systemd is like state-connected mafia [22:30] schestowitz-TR it runs everything [22:30] schestowitz-TR but "officials"... just an "init system" [22:30] schestowitz-TR *oficially [22:30] leah nah systemd is more like a government oversight committee that got too huge and is almost another government [22:31] schestowitz-TR you can reject the mafia [22:31] schestowitz-TR but then it starts burning your stuff [22:31] schestowitz-TR linux= wall street [22:31] schestowitz-TR system= k street [22:31] schestowitz-TR *systemd [22:32] leah department of foreign affairs = networking code [22:32] schestowitz-TR but gnu runs the show [22:32] schestowitz-TR and gets no credit [22:32] schestowitz-TR the media tells me ls is linux command [22:32] schestowitz-TR but i man ls [22:33] schestowitz-TR and I don't see a finnish dude named [22:33] schestowitz-TR maybe it's not a linux thing [22:33] leah ls is part of coreutils [22:33] schestowitz-TR i know [22:33] schestowitz-TR linux coreutils ;-) [22:33] schestowitz-TR in ls the l stands for linux ;-) [22:33] leah to be fair though, linus would probably do a good job if he did reimplement coreutils [22:35] TR News Rubber Tyres Before There Were Tyres | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/rubber-tyres-before-there-were-tyres/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest [22:35] TR Bot Tyres Before There Were Tyres | Hackaday [22:35] TR Bot Social Control Media Posts [22:35] schestowitz-TR leah: it would be called LinuS [22:35] schestowitz-TR he calls things after himself [22:35] MinceR systemd is that megacorporation that effectively became the government :> [22:35] leah oh my [22:35] MinceR or church [22:35] schestowitz-TR MinceR: old ibm [22:35] leah nah gnu is the church [22:35] schestowitz-TR before it became a dying monster [22:36] leah linux is more of a citadel [22:36] activelow what would benefit the GNU branding more: a strong linux branding or a weak one? [22:36] MinceR a citadel with way too many microsoft soldiers in it [22:36] leah lxo is a high priest [22:38] leah what would benefit gnu more is a decent git hosting site [22:38] leah and a rewrite. many of its tools are bloated and/or buggy [22:38] activelow busybox exists [22:39] leah gnubox [22:39] activelow however, there is no real alternative to the #1 GNU project: GCC [22:39] leah except llvm [22:39] activelow which isn't an alternative, because it is equally heavyweight [22:39] activelow a corporate monstrosity [22:40] activelow SDCC compiler, couldn't test it yet, 16bit unix systems, it's GPL too [22:40] leah it didn't have to be that way. chris lattner offered llvm to gnu in 2005 [22:40] activelow interesting. [22:40] TR News Snowball Fights in Art (14001946) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/snowball-fights/ #publicdomainreview [22:40] TR Bot Snowball Fights in Art (14001946) The Public Domain Review [22:40] leah https://gcc.gnu.org/legacy-ml/gcc/2005-11/msg00888.html [22:40] TR Bot Chris Lattner - LLVM/GCC Integration Proposal [22:42] leah there is an alternative universe where https://www.gnu.org/software/llvm exists [22:42] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://www.gnu.org/software/llvm ) [22:42] activelow llvm was written in c++ ? [22:44] activelow i am already looking forward to compiling linux kernel with a C99 compliant compiler... without any magical extension supported [22:45] TR News Made To Spec: The Coming Age Of Prototyping As A Service | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/made-to-spec-the-coming-age-of-prototyping-as-a-service/ #hackaday #pcb [22:45] TR Bot To Spec: The Coming Age Of Prototyping As A Service | Hackaday [22:46] MinceR https://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/baby-hunt.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2018/10/is-it-baby-season-already/ ) [22:46] TR Bot Is it baby season already? [22:47] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [22:49] TR News #GstVA in #GStreamer 1.20 - Herostratus legacy https://blogs.igalia.com/vjaquez/2021/12/08/gstva-in-gstreamer-1-20/ #igalia #linux #freesw [22:49] TR Bot GstVA in GStreamer 1.20 Herostratus legacy [22:50] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [22:51] TR News #ubuntu Revisiting default initramfs compression https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-December/041726.html #canonical #linux [22:51] Alternative link Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-December/041726.html [22:51] TR Bot Revisiting default initramfs compression [22:53] TR News #TechDecisions = #spamfarm or #www as a link farm of crap. Web is dying... being overrun by fake reviews, fake news, spam, marketing, provocation etc. [22:55] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [22:55] TR News Squishy Robot Hardware Does Well Under Pressure | #Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/squishy-robot-hardware-does-well-under-pressure/ [22:55] TR Bot Robot Hardware Does Well Under Pressure | Hackaday [22:57] leah schestowitz-TR: btw, we were talking about untitled yesterday. i didn't tell you: [22:57] leah translations are supported now. multi-language sites are now fully supported. i just haven't updated the docs to say so yet [22:57] leah but you can see an example of the multi-language support in use on this site: [22:57] leah https://trans.chat/ [22:57] TR Bot TransChat Advice for transgender people, including non-binary and intersex [22:57] leah english, polish and portuguese [22:57] leah i'm going to start asking for translations to libreboot.org soon [22:58] leah those language menus on pages are automatically generated [22:58] TR News Net effect of #mozilla releasing #firefox so often is that it's a PAIN to maintain and hard to fork/branch off. Same method IBM Gulag use with #systemd and #chromium respectively... release buggy stuff very often, and nobody will catch up [22:58] leah on every page. but it's done per-page. which means you can have a situation where some pages more more or less translations than others [22:58] leah like on gnu.org [22:58] leah (except i'm using markdown. those people are using texinfo) [22:59] leah have a look at the last few commits in untitled to see how i pulled it off [22:59] leah https://notabug.org/untitled/untitled/commits/master [22:59] TR Bot History untitled/untitled - NotABug.org: Free code hosting [22:59] *schestowitz-TR checking [22:59] leah last 12 commits [22:59] TR News #Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158895 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:59] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines ● Dec 08 [23:00] leah relative to 9febc23494 [23:00] leah that and 11 commits before it [23:00] leah the way i'm handling it is very minimalist compared to most other solutions [23:00] schestowitz-TR bash [23:01] leah but you could use it for other things besides translations too [23:01] schestowitz-TR clean code [23:01] leah for example [23:01] leah property.sales.md [23:01] *betsy has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:01] leah property.mortgages.md [23:01] leah property.rent.md [23:01] leah and "sales", "mortgages" and "rent" would appear in the menu [23:01] schestowitz " shaggy486e1e30a0 leah is stupid6 months ago" [23:02] leah schestowitz: shaggy is me. it's a joke. a reference to the shaggy meme [23:02] leah when i can't figure something out and need help, shaggy takes over [23:02] schestowitz mr loverman? [23:02] schestowitz-TR or the cartoon? [23:02] leah my favourite shaggy commit is https://notabug.org/untitled/untitled/commit/73df2aa02859b993b92d5704996f00f1048f63e8 [23:02] TR Bot run sha1sum twice! 73df2aa028 - NotABug.org: Free code hosting [23:02] leah the live action shaggy, from the live action scooby film [23:02] leah the one from the meme [23:02] schestowitz-TR ok, the latter [23:03] leah though i don't use sha1sum/xxhsum anymore [23:03] schestowitz-TR if you code so much in bash then [23:03] leah now i use date -r file +%s [23:03] schestowitz-TR you can easily port that over to do gemini too [23:03] leah yep [23:03] schestowitz-TR it will be even easier [23:03] schestowitz-TR as writing out gemtext is like.... nothing [23:03] leah that's what i want to do. it's on todo [23:04] schestowitz-TR # Menu [23:04] leah hybrid http/gemini static site generator. where gemtext can be the source markup for html too [23:04] schestowitz-TR => itemurl menu name [23:04] schestowitz-TR ## story title [23:04] leah but markdown overrides it, on http sites. but on gemini, if both exist, use the gemtext [23:04] leah i want to rewrite untitled in something a bit more performant, though [23:05] leah some of the checks, especially string based checks, are a bit cursed in shell code [23:05] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-071221.gmi [23:05] leah something like go perhaps. or even c [23:05] leah also i want to rewrite the markdown->html parser in C. with templates like in pandoc [23:05] leah to optimize speed [23:06] leah schestowitz: perhaps you can submit a patch? [23:06] leah to untitled, for gemtext stuff. i'd love to work with you on it [23:06] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:06] TR News This Arduino device can detect which language is being spoken using tinyML | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/12/08/this-arduino-device-can-detect-which-language-is-being-spoken/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest [23:06] Alternative link Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/12/08/this-arduino-device-can-detect-which-language-is-being-spoken/ [23:06] TR Bot This Arduino device can detect which language is being spoken using tinyML | Arduino Blog [23:06] TR Bot Social Control Media Posts [23:07] leah untitled is my way of making fun of all the other static generators out there [23:07] schestowitz-TR I'm only short on time [23:07] schestowitz-TR not short on projects [23:07] leah i do it all in bash, and i do it better than them [23:07] leah while they're using all kinds of rubbish [23:07] leah iank from fsf has a nice static site generator of his own, with comment functions [23:08] leah he uses it on his blog. i've been meaning to assimilate his logic, for comments sections on news pages [23:08] TR News #ProprietarySoftware " #CISA encourages users and administrators to review the SonicWall security advisory and apply the necessary firmware updates as soon as possible." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/12/08/sonicwall-releases-security-advisory-sma-100-series-appliances [23:08] TR Bot SonicWall Releases Security Advisory for SMA 100 Series Appliances | CISA [23:08] leah his is in bash too [23:08] schestowitz-TR we use a lot of bash, perl [23:08] schestowitz-TR sometimes python [23:09] leah i think it's funny to do everything in bash [23:09] leah bash is a meme [23:09] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fx43r9f9r7aj8.irc) has joined #techrights [23:09] TR News "[kerchoo_22] is working on a hands-free video game controller as a final project for her engineering class and we think its worth sharing." https://hackaday.com/2021/12/07/assistive-tech-and-video-games/ [23:09] TR Bot Tech And Video Games | Hackaday [23:10] DaemonFC schestowitz, I had to drive across the county for a COVID test. [23:10] schestowitz-TR wow [23:10] schestowitz-TR risky [23:10] DaemonFC I went to one of those walk in places and their system required you to scan a QR code, go to a website, enter your insurance, and write down a confirmation number. [23:10] DaemonFC But my insurance cards don't fit the format on the page. [23:11] DaemonFC So the lady there told me to lie and say I was uninsured. [23:11] leah in the UK, they send a test kit to your home [23:11] DaemonFC I said, "I'm not doing that. This would be fraud.". [23:11] leah then you send it off in the mail and a week later, they tell you your result [23:11] leah though i think they try to be a bit faster [23:11] DaemonFC So she wouldn't help me, and then said loudly "I'm sorry everyone, we're waiting on ONE PERSON.". [23:11] DaemonFC So I chucked the pen across the room, put my insurance cards back in my wallet, left, and called their corporate office. [23:12] DaemonFC And then drove to a CVS 15 miles away. [23:12] schestowitz-TR joy [23:12] schestowitz-TR and you drive ill [23:12] schestowitz-TR not good [23:12] DaemonFC Yeah [23:12] schestowitz-TR you'll mget youself kiled [23:12] schestowitz-TR driving 16 hours across the state for jabs [23:12] schestowitz-TR for a virus that barely kills anyone in your age group [23:13] schestowitz-TR car accidents kill many of your age [23:13] DaemonFC Trying to figure out if it's COVID and if I need to go find a place to get the antibody treatment before it gets worse. [23:13] schestowitz-TR and it can be the fault of other drivers, reckless [23:13] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: you take very long car journeys [23:13] leah there's a joke in there about driving the numbers down [23:13] leah but it would be quite morbid [23:13] schestowitz-TR those are of higher probablility of killing you than a covid infection [23:13] schestowitz-TR you are about 38 [23:14] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Well, I have a futon in the livingroom, so I sleep out here tonight in one of those zip up sleeping bags. [23:14] schestowitz-TR and not obese, just fatty iirc [23:14] DaemonFC Not obese, no, but overweight. [23:14] DaemonFC Doctors ask if I care, I go not really. [23:14] schestowitz-TR common [23:14] DaemonFC My Uncle is in far worse shape. Cholesterol over 1,000 and has been for decades. [23:14] schestowitz-TR "hey, if there's a food shortage I'll survice. you won't" [23:14] schestowitz-TR *survive [23:15] DaemonFC He's turned 65 recently. [23:15] schestowitz-TR overweight can be fixed in weeks [23:15] schestowitz-TR obese is a problem [23:15] DaemonFC Yeah, basically the only reason to obsess over this is because you're trying to hook up with people in the restrooms at open sores conferences. [23:15] schestowitz-TR also skin elasticity [23:15] DaemonFC ;) [23:15] leah anyway, untitled would be a great fit for techrights i think [23:15] leah in the future [23:15] schestowitz-TR maybe yes [23:15] leah once it has gemtext support [23:16] schestowitz-TR we craft our own for the front page [23:16] schestowitz-TR and for some pages I use temp;late I made 20 years ago [23:16] leah there are some limitations in how it handles news sections [23:16] schestowitz-TR for netscape and such! [23:16] leah that ought to be addressed [23:16] DaemonFC For the married, non-perverts, who love each other and aren't going to go running down to the divorce court over an extra 20 pounds, who gives a shit? [23:16] schestowitz http://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.html [23:16] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [23:17] schestowitz [23:16] e.g. http://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.html [23:17] schestowitz [23:16] oops [23:17] schestowitz [23:16] wrong window [23:17] DaemonFC schestowitz, MARISOL was wondering why we didn't have a more expensive wedding. [23:18] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: ask her why she doesn't have a bigger mortgage [23:18] schestowitz-TR or a bigger ego [23:18] DaemonFC I said, "Well, studies have statistically shown that the likelihood of the marriage failing is associated with how much debt you racked up on day 1 pretending you're in a royal wedding ceremony.". [23:18] schestowitz-TR or a bigger chance of being homeless [23:18] schestowitz-TR good replyt [23:18] schestowitz-TR very good replyt [23:19] schestowitz-TR debt causes stress [23:19] schestowitz-TR stress leads to arguing [23:19] DaemonFC It saps you of resources you need to deal with important things. [23:19] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: "why did you not throw a bigger plate at Mark?" [23:20] DaemonFC Day 1 of our marriage. $15,000 wedding with interest. Game over man, game over!" [23:20] immibis MinceR: if you make everyone "a government" then google or facebook will be the super-government ruling over all the governments [23:20] schestowitz-TR they are gov contractors of sorts [23:20] schestowitz-TR check funding sources and political backing [23:20] schestowitz-TR they're adopted as political tools [23:20] schestowitz-TR not just by the US [23:20] MinceR part of their current power comes from the government [23:20] schestowitz-TR social control media and mind control [23:20] schestowitz-TR search histories etc. [23:21] DaemonFC In theory, the people are the source of legitimacy of the government. In fact, the politicians all think and admit in inner circles, "Let them despise us, as long as they fear and obey us!". [23:21] schestowitz https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/05/wikileaks-assange-facebook-is-appalling-spying-machine/238225/ [23:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/05/wikileaks-assange-facebook-is-appalling-spying-machine/238225/ [23:21] TR Bot WikiLeaks' Assange: Facebook Is 'Appalling Spying Machine' - The Atlantic [23:21] DaemonFC No politician in elected office today is worried that their actions will be seen as legitimate. [23:21] schestowitz https://www.zdnet.com/article/wikileaks-founder-facebook-is-most-appalling-spying-machine-ever-invented/ [23:21] TR Bot founder: Facebook is "most appalling spying machine ever invented" | ZDNet [23:21] schestowitz "WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has called Facebook "the most appalling ... US organizations have built-in interfaces for US intelligence." [23:21] DaemonFC Nobody has challenged Pritzker in a serious way, and the judges are all Democrats if they bothered. [23:22] schestowitz https://www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/assange-facebook-is-an-appalling-spy-machine/ [23:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/assange-facebook-is-an-appalling-spy-machine/ [23:22] TR Bot Facebook is an 'appalling spy machine' - CNET [23:22] DaemonFC schestowitz, That's why I'll probably vote for Adam Kinzinger for Governor. [23:22] DaemonFC I don't like him, I really don't agree with him. [23:23] DaemonFC But hopefully, it causes a food fight and they slow each other down. [23:23] DaemonFC It worked this year in the local election. [23:23] DaemonFC The Democrats now have a Republican mayor to deal with and it's derailed their tax hikes. [23:24] schestowitz-TR npowm back to tech [23:24] DaemonFC It was popular enough in the council to get a simple majority and go to Mayor Cunningham, but now it will face a veto. [23:24] DaemonFC I feel like there's a lot of wasted effort just trying to put up obstacles so the bad guys don't get away with MORE. [23:25] DaemonFC But it sounds like MinceR doesn't even have that possibility. [23:26] TR News "I first learned about #PicoVoice about a year ago when the offline voice AI engine was showcased on a Raspberry Pi fitted with ReSpeaker 4-mic array to showcase the companys Porcupine custom wake word engine" https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/12/08/picovoice-offline-voice-ai-engine-gets-free-tier-for-up-to-3-users/ [23:26] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/12/08/picovoice-offline-voice-ai-engine-gets-free-tier-for-up-to-3-users/ [23:26] TR Bot PicoVoice offline Voice AI engine gets free tier for up to 3 users - CNX Software [23:26] DaemonFC Well, it's always a goddamned Christmas miracle when you sabotage their tax hike plan and all of a sudden there's cuts to a bunch of unimportant programs and you never notice even though the stinking bastard was trying to act like there'd be big problems. Threatening to punish you if you voted it down. [23:26] DaemonFC I'll fire teachers, firefighters, and cops first! [23:26] TR News Simple Design Elevates This Mechanical Dot Matrix Display | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/07/simple-design-elevates-this-mechanical-dot-matrix-display/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/08/#latest [23:26] TR Bot Design Elevates This Mechanical Dot Matrix Display | Hackaday [23:26] TR Bot Social Control Media Posts [23:27] DaemonFC "Is that a fuckin' threat!?" -Bad Santa ;) [23:27] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: you would be an awful politician [23:27] schestowitz-TR aiwht people sleeping in sleeping bags in their homes [23:27] schestowitz-TR "go home and ZIP IT!!" [23:27] DaemonFC First of all it's not Pritzker who gets to decide what the budget cuts mean to local governments. [23:28] DaemonFC The cuts are to a revenue stream, not one that has to be spent or not spent on a certain item. [23:29] DaemonFC Secondly, after the taxes flopped, there's been road construction everywhere because I voted to cut them off from raiding the motor fuels tax for other things (like welfare programs). [23:29] TR News "Those two bullet points hide a lot of complexity, and its not surprising that I didnt get particularly far in this project! It requires coordinated changes in a lot of components: GLib, GTK, gnome-session and applications themselves." https://tecnocode.co.uk/2021/12/08/state-persistence-for-apps-and-sessions-endless-orange-week/ [23:29] TR Bot State persistence for apps and sessions: Endless Orange Week | Philip Withnall [23:29] schestowitz DaemonFC: https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/fail-of-the-week-hackaday-writer-attempts-xbox-repair/ [23:29] TR Bot Of The Week: Hackaday Writer Attempts XBox Repair | Hackaday [23:30] DaemonFC Thirdly, since nobody believes the Illinois government anymore, if they have to take it out on the state parks system, it's because nobody says "redirect my tax check as a gift to the state parks" because that's not what it gets spent on. [23:30] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 163.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.13 [23:30] immibis MinceR: google's power does not come from the government, nor does facebook's [23:30] TR News "Structure and minimalism, often based on the same core elements of black steel beams and glass, are a landmark of these buildings. One immediately senses that there is nothing left to take away." http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/12/08#034_less_is_more [23:30] TR Bot Thinking inside the box [23:31] schestowitz-TR immibis: goes unchecked by them [23:31] DaemonFC schestowitz, I loaded a fork of an old copy of Debian in an XBOX emulator. [23:31] schestowitz-TR and they COLLABORATE a lot [23:31] immibis well if they checked it, that would be big government, which MinceR seems to hate, seeing as he wants the opposite, zero government [23:31] DaemonFC It's compatible enough to run that and about 80-ish percent of games with decent results. [23:31] schestowitz https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ [23:31] TR Bot Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It Seems [23:31] DaemonFC Mr. Drone Strike said he was trying to create "reforms from within". [23:32] schestowitz-TR thunberg joined exxon [23:32] schestowitz-TR she will fix Exxon Mobil from within [23:32] MinceR immibis: google and facebook is given a lot of freedom from the government's oversight in exchange for spying on people -- that's why anticompetition laws aren't enforced against them. but if you were to start your own business that tried to compete with them and did not make a pact with a government, you would face the full force of those laws [23:33] activelow next one discussed is this: "central registration of vaccination status" together with "mandatory vaccination" [23:33] immibis MinceR: surely if you think there should be no government, then you think anticompetition laws are a bad thing and shouldn't be enforced ever? [23:33] schestowitz-TR MinceR: Microsoft also [23:33] schestowitz-TR added back doors [23:33] schestowitz-TR and spies shitless [23:33] MinceR immibis: facebook and cambridge analytica could have a significant effect on people's lives in the USA because there was a state that held elections which they could manipulate [23:33] immibis activelow: let's please do that. finally force the neo-fascists to give up and end the damn pandemic already [23:33] schestowitz-TR and so the case against Microsoft crimes got scuttled [23:33] MinceR immibis: i think there should be no government, no megacorporations and no churches, or anything else that would try to be a government in another guise [23:34] immibis we tried anarchy already. we know what happens. we know that a top-down power hierarchy forms and this one won't be democratic [23:34] schestowitz-TR so same as now? [23:34] MinceR who are "you" and where have you tried it? [23:34] MinceR also, where is that democratic arrangement that is your alternative to it? [23:35] MinceR where is a properly functioning democracy? [23:35] schestowitz-TR textbook [23:35] schestowitz-TR like capitalism [23:35] schestowitz-TR those are like religions [23:35] schestowitz-TR in practice, it's more like Taliban or ISIS [23:35] psydroid2 let's all become friends on Textbook [23:35] MinceR lol [23:36] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: we'll "like" each others' things [23:36] schestowitz-TR so we'll all loomkl popular [23:36] schestowitz-TR our classmates from when we were 7 will so so envious [23:37] activelow immibis: pardon? the overwhelming majority of protests is not fascist. it is government and their fake news apparatus who spread incitement to hatred 24/7 [23:38] activelow and this is where it should begin, live on TV: them receiving their jabs of the "recommended" "booster" "cross-vaccination" "insufficient data" was available for [23:39] activelow the new Chancellor, Olaf Scholz, will be first. I recommend RTL television prime time. [23:40] schestowitz-TR isn't that lux? [23:41] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/21120421 [23:41] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (6056173) [23:41] TR News #GNOME and GTK Development Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158896 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:41] TR Bot GNOME and GTK Development | Tux Machines [23:42] XRevan86 MinceR: Meanwhile in Ivanka's head: "water goes splash" [23:43] activelow schestowitz-TR: yes, RTL is headquartered in luxembourg, and broadcast in AT, CH, DE; so entire german-speaking people can enjoy this show. [23:43] immibis activelow: i see you are brainwashed by neo-fascists [23:43] schestowitz https://www.bustle.com/p/ivanka-trump-wins-the-internet-freedoma-award-a-year-after-net-neutrality-officially-ended-17919036 [23:43] Alternative link Cloudflare: bustle.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bustle.com/p/ivanka-trump-wins-the-internet-freedoma-award-a-year-after-net-neutrality-officially-ended-17919036 [23:43] TR Bot Ivanka Trump Wins The Internet Freedom Award A Year After Net Neutrality Officially Ended [23:44] immibis MinceR: many developed countries (the USA is not developed) [23:44] schestowitz https://mashable.com/article/ivanka-trump-internet-freedom-award [23:44] Alternative link Cloudflare: mashable.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mashable.com/article/ivanka-trump-internet-freedom-award [23:44] TR Bot Tech lobbying group gives Ivanka Trump 'Internet Freedom Award' [23:45] schestowitz immibis: you are conflating two separate things [23:45] schestowitz maybe the one misled is also you [23:45] schestowitz people who reject those shots are often well educated [23:45] MinceR immibis: for example? [23:45] schestowitz like half the population of switzerland [23:45] schestowitz not "neo-fascists" [23:45] immibis anybody who thinks that extending the pandemic for any longer than it already has been extended is a good idea is a moron [23:45] schestowitz you are again conflating two things [23:45] schestowitz jabs and ending the pandemic [23:45] MinceR who said the pandemic should be extended for longer? [23:46] immibis the antivax group [23:46] schestowitz the coronavirus was always with us [23:46] schestowitz new strains are worse [23:46] schestowitz and they are here to stay [23:46] immibis what do you mean "the" coronavirus? [23:46] schestowitz RMS thinks it can be eradicateed [23:46] schestowitz because he reads bill's gguardian [23:46] schestowitz the jabs help old people fight it off [23:46] schestowitz as dot he flu shots [23:46] schestowitz but giving it to kids is pointless [23:46] schestowitz it helps profits of the patent holders [23:46] immibis all vaccines reduce infection and transmission. no vaccines prevent infection and transmission [23:46] schestowitz and not much more [23:47] immibis we managed to beat polio using vaccines about as good as covid vaccines [23:47] schestowitz no, [23:47] schestowitz polio vaccine works better [23:47] schestowitz and we take it once [23:47] schestowitz while young [23:47] immibis polio vaccine is administered 4 times [23:47] immibis https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/index.html [23:47] Alternative link Cloudflare: cdc.gov | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/index.html [23:47] TR Bot Polio Vaccination: What Everyone Should Know | CDC [23:48] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine [23:48] TR Bot Polio vaccine - Wikipedia [23:48] immibis all virus vaccines in humans require approximately 4 doses to achieve proper immunity [23:48] activelow a moment ago they said a few dozen elderies died in geriatric care home, supposedly because they had not received their jabs [23:48] schestowitz " Another attenuated live oral polio vaccine was developed by Albert Sabin and came into commercial use in 1961" [23:48] activelow immibis: who is neo-fascist? government TV spreading this type of news? [23:49] MinceR neofascists governments do spread propaganda against measures against SARS-CoV-2 [23:49] MinceR hungarian government does it internally and externally [23:49] immibis activelow: those who attempt to prolong the pandemic because of dumb political ideology. Such as (it appears) yourself [23:49] MinceR russian government does it on the non-russian editions of RT [23:49] MinceR but not internally [23:49] immibis previous american government did it a lot and probably seeded the movement worldwide [23:51] immibis that leader didn't even do it on purpose. he didn't want to extend a pandemic, he just didn't want to look incompetent, which he would have if he'd tried to do something about it [23:51] immibis by pretending it's not a real threat, doing nothing is a not-incompetent solution [23:52] activelow a miracle tincture vaccine cannot prevent excess hospitalization, in particular "cross vaccination" "insufficient data" for verification was available for, according to "vaccination commission" [23:52] schestowitz-TR mass vaccination for polio was a decade after salk made it [23:54] schestowitz-TR it was not patented either [23:54] schestowitz-TR so it did not cost 50 times the production cost.. to enrich oligarchs [23:54] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#/media/File:Salk_headlines.jpg [23:54] TR Bot Polio vaccine - Wikipedia [23:54] MinceR s/sts/st/ [23:55] schestowitz "he undertook a project to determine the number of different types of poliovirus, starting in 1948. [...] By 1959, the Salk vaccine had reached about 90 countries" [23:55] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk [23:55] TR Bot Jonas Salk - Wikipedia [23:55] immibis activelow: you are right. We should never do anything if there are not 5 years of data on its efficacy. If you must forgive me I have to reinstall Windows on my computer because it has never been proven in a court of law that uninstalling Windows increases software freedom. [23:55] schestowitz there were trials and errors along the way [23:56] schestowitz not administring that to billions of people including those not at risk [23:56] schestowitz we have bigger issues than covid-19 [23:56] activelow do exactly what? the testing procedures here didn't at least include measurement of fever, which otherwise is common medical routine to check immune response to infections [23:56] schestowitz like overpopulation and overindustrialisation that strains the planet [23:56] schestowitz we can start to tackle both [23:56] schestowitz more lockdowns, more work from home [23:57] schestowitz it has proben more effective [23:57] schestowitz 2020 had a lot fewer covid-10 deaths here than this year [23:57] schestowitz *19 [23:57] schestowitz because of lockdowns partly [23:57] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/health/ [23:57] TR Bot Health [23:57] schestowitz time to tackle the major issue [23:58] schestowitz not only what patent-connected media tells us [23:58] immibis schestowitz: I guess back in those days they were accustomed to people dying from preventable disease, and not so accustomed to vaccines. [23:58] schestowitz owned by the world's biggest polluters [23:58] schestowitz immibis: no [23:58] schestowitz vaccines still take a long time to develop [23:58] schestowitz they have 4 phases [23:58] schestowitz we jumped through 2 or 3 [23:58] schestowitz and we're not solving it [23:58] activelow the corona vaccination did NOT decrease excess hospitalzation, although 70% received their tincture as promised [23:58] schestowitz people move back to lockdowns [23:59] schestowitz even where vaccinatino rates for covid-* and derivatives are very high [23:59] activelow then it wasn't enough, and required boosters, excess hospitalization remains [23:59] schestowitz activelow: it did reduce it here [23:59] schestowitz but not by very much [23:59] schestowitz very disapopointing efficacy [23:59] schestowitz falsely advertised as 95% or thereabouts