●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, October 09, 2021 ●●

● Oct 09
[00:00]	techrights-news	#covid19 <3 #uk "freedom day" (freedom for COVID to pass from person to person at alarming rates, over a million people per month! And those are just the confirmed ones)
[00:02]	techrights-news	#uk gov. 2020: if you test positive, stay home. UK gov. today (in the news!), 2021: if you test negative but feel unwell, also stay home. 2022: just stay confined inside your home (or face penalties) because the regime tells you to, even if you feel well and test negative for #covid19
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[00:04]	techrights-news	#uk #borisnaro rhetoric: "freedom" is when #covid19 spreads everywhere, all the time. Reality: when the virus spreads to almost everyone the regime can arbitrarily restrict the movement and other basic freedoms of almost anyone. Public service? WHAT public service? http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/15/brexit-systemic-racism/
[00:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive National Government and Local Councils Give the Middle Finger to EU Citizens Long Settled in the United Kingdom
[00:07]	techrights-news	Rule of thumb: the further #covid19 spreads, the less control people will have because the regime can leverage a sense of emergency and presumption of "leper status" with the burden of proof NOT on the accuser. People are presumed "dangerous", esp. protesters and dissenters. See #russia under #putin weaponising this...
[00:09]	techrights-news	People who say, "take the mask off" and "herd immunity" aren't protecting your freedom; they merely heighten the state of tension and exacerbate the crisis. I think we can all agree masks don't harm freedom much (in relative terms) and combined with proper distancing they're very effective.
[00:11]	techrights-news	When #RMS gave his talk in #ukraine he did not demand people get vaccinated for #covid19 but that they all wear masks, distance, and open doors for a better flow of fresher air. I am disappointed though that he supports mandates for premature products with loads of unethical #patents on them (to increase prices ~10 fold) http://techrights.org/2021/09/21/rms-ukraine-talk/
[00:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallmans First Public Talk (Delivered in Person) in Years, Now With a Free Format | Techrights
[00:13]	activelow	another propaganda round, falsifying history: portrayal of guest workers in east germany
[00:14]	activelow	the socialist agenda was this, to both: benefit from workforce from other socialiest countries such as vietnam and mosambik, AND to EDUCATE those guest workers
[00:15]	activelow	a documentary broadcasted reinterprets this victimizing guest workers
[00:16]	activelow	which is somehow remarkable, because eastern/asia did develop their economy in cooperation with socialist allies
[00:16]	activelow	and ordinary german workers weren't particularly privileged either in comparison
[00:17]	techrights-news	IA or #internetarchive is being vandalised by #javascript right now. #proprietarySoftware and #accessibility nightmare. They must correct this. The sooner, the better. Don't turn the Web into a pile of bloated computer programs.
[00:18]	activelow	whatever the propaganda apparatus touches, it must be framed into a victimizing narrative
[00:18]	activelow	then shortly after 1990 when millions of east germans lost their jobs violence escalated, Rostock Lichtenhagen, after 1990, not before
[00:19]	techrights-news	This post in support of #rms has been deleted and I cannot retrieve it from #internetarchive either https://old.reddit.com/r/uwaterloo/comments/k35jw5/richard_stallman_is_being_falsely_accused_of/
[00:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old.reddit.com | Richard Stallman is being falsely accused of things he did not do : uwaterloo
[00:20]	activelow	the documentary too was remarkable because it portrayed a young vietnamese woman, offspring of those guest workers, presenting her arts and understanding of electronics production
[00:21]	techrights-news	When #internetarchive fails there's still archive.is https://archive.is/l8hw6
[00:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | The University is violating their own policies regarding free speech : uwaterloo
[00:21]	techrights-news	The real #epstein scandal at #mit is #billgates http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/
[00:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights
[00:21]	activelow	doubt this woman ever had studied any maths or electronics to hold any authority to present her arts
[00:23]	activelow	needless to say all manufacturing was "outsourced" after 1990, and who had benefit from this? east-germany? doubt it.
[00:25]	activelow	maybe east-germany better had not supported vietnam during the war, however they were involved, and not welcomed guest workers instead?
[00:26]	activelow	so, what are they trying to accomplish with such documentaries? re-fuel some "decolonization" and victimization narrative?
[00:27]	techrights-news	And #google cache still has that deleted post https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BzI7wqUBZbkJ:https://libredd.it/r/uwaterloo/comments/k35jw5/richard_stallman_is_being_falsely_accused_of/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
[00:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com | Richard Stallman is being falsely accused of things he did not do - r/uwaterloo
[00:28]	techrights-news	#Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales ( #MIT ) Covers Up #BillGates #Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/
[00:28]	activelow	needless to say, i'll not offer any lectures. i declined a PHd course from Telekom 15 years ago already, and hell yes had my feelings not been wrong about those agitators.
[00:28]	techrights-news	2020: Published One Year Ago Today: The Real #MIT Scandal (Before Attention Was Shifted Entirely to Richard Stallman) http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-real-mit-scandal/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-real-mit-scandal/
[00:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Published One Year Ago Today: The Real MIT Scandal (Before Attention Was Shifted Entirely to Richard Stallman) | Techrights
[00:29]	techrights-news	2020: #WhistleblowerAid Already Showed Cover-up of #BillGates Contributions to #MIT http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/whistleblower-aid-gates-mit-epstein/ #Techrights #jeffreyEpstein | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/11/whistleblower-aid-gates-mit-epstein/
[00:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Whistleblower Aid Already Showed Cover-up of Bill Gates Contributions to MIT | Techrights
[00:30]	techrights-news	2020: #MIT and #Microsoft Have Done Nothing to Actually Tackle #Pedophilia and #Ephebophilia http://techrights.org/2020/01/26/mit-and-ms-or-mbs-billg/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/01/26/mit-and-ms-or-mbs-billg/ after the Gates divorce we know what pervert Bill did...
[00:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | MIT and Microsoft Have Done Nothing to Actually Tackle Pedophilia and Ephebophilia | Techrights
[00:31]	techrights-news	2020: One Year Later #RichardStallman Needs to be Un-cancelled and Attention Turned to the Real Perpetrator of #MIT Scandals http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/a-real-perpetrator-of-mit-scandals/ #Techrights #GNU #billgates #jeffreyEpstein | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/09/18/a-real-perpetrator-of-mit-scandals/
[00:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Richard Stallman Needs to be Un-cancelled and Attention Turned to the Real Perpetrator of MIT Scandals | Techrights
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: docus are overrated
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	many are convenient revisonism
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	spun as objective documentation of hsistorical fast
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	plus some slant and shifted focus for entertainment and rating
[00:33]	schestowitz-TR	one example of Michael Moore documentaries
[00:33]	schestowitz-TR	they're largely political statements
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[00:33]	schestowitz-TR	maybe soon we'll have 'documentaries' about Nokia and Microsoft
[00:33]	activelow	this woman was complaining east-germans kept human resources records, and arranged for living quarters
[00:34]	schestowitz-TR	there were already some Esptein docus that curiously enough omit Bill Gates
[00:34]	schestowitz-TR	and one can imagine why or who funds this etc.
[00:34]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: fact is in east-germany flats were scarce, in particular the modern one with heating!
[00:34]	schestowitz-TR	to shift attention to other people etc.
[00:34]	schestowitz-TR	berlin flats look bad to me
[00:34]	activelow	before 1990
[00:34]	schestowitz-TR	when we were there it still looked very brutalist
[00:35]	activelow	i wouldn't argue by todays standards living quarters were luxerious, however most east-germans were keen on renting such flats
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	one friend from germany calls berlin "worst of germany'
[00:36]	activelow	because heating; the majority of flats required an oven heated with coal
[00:36]	MinceR	https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/04/bofh_2021_episode_6/
[00:36]	altlink_c3e	 theregister.com is Cloudflare domain.
[00:36]	altlink_c3e	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/04/bofh_2021_episode_6/
[00:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | BOFH: I'm so pleased to be on the call, Boss. No, of course this isn't a recording The Register
[00:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | BOFH: I'm so pleased to be on the call, Boss. No, of course this isn't a recording The Register
[00:37]	leah	8GB RAM is the new 1GB. 4GB is the new 512MB
[00:37]	techrights-news	Full Circle Weekly News #230
[00:37]		*leah has 8GB RAM now
[00:37]	leah	MinceR: new bofh episodes!?
[00:37]	schestowitz	"Earlier [Quint] had built a water collecting system using his gutters and a bell siphon but wasnt satisfied with the overall power output." https://hackaday.com/2021/10/08/power-your-home-with-a-water-battery/
[00:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Power Your Home With A Water Battery | Hackaday
[00:37]	MinceR	if 8GB RAM is the new 1GB and 4GB is the new 512MB, then 2GB is the new 256MB, 1GB is the new 128MB, therefore 8GB is the new 128MB...
[00:38]	leah	actually, i can see how BOFH could make a comeback in the era of covid
[00:38]	MinceR	leah: this one isn't that new
[00:38]	leah	with less people going to work, and instead working from home, more sysadmins are needed to run all of the internet infrastructure
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR	how so?
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR	for remote access?
[00:38]	leah	i guess
[00:38]	MinceR	if 1GB is the new 128MB, then 512MB is the new 64MB and 256MB is the new 32MB and 128MB is the new 16MB, so 8GB is the new 16MB
[00:38]	leah	though probably people will use zoom instead of some self-hosted solution
[00:39]	leah	so my statement doesn't really hold water
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	clown computing
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	clam computing
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	clamp
[00:39]	leah	cloudfarce
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	we call it clownflare
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	it powers too much of the web
[00:39]	MinceR	the newest BOFH is from yesterday, though
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	a cdn running at a loss
[00:39]	leah	cloudfarce
[00:39]	MinceR	i call it crimeflare
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	operating at losses
[00:39]	leah	fastly is now named farcely
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	to help the US commandeer a lot of site
[00:39]	MinceR	fartly
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR	spying, censorship, and more
[00:40]	leah	extra extra! centralized infrastructure leads to massive amounts of control from bureaucrats
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR	some 'sites' are just little AWS instance
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR	pages served with clownflare
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR	HECK!
[00:40]	leah	sudo apt-get install nginx
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR	just use blogspot
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR	same shit
[00:40]	leah	sudo ufw allow http
[00:40]	leah	sudo ufw allow https
[00:40]	leah	sudo apt-get install certbot
[00:41]	leah	that's how i make a website
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR	makes sense
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR	but whataboudaclown
[00:41]	activelow	outbound filtering is a weakness often
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR	my wife wasted 3 hours today trying to add 2 users in AWS
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR	they call it "easy"
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR	yes, if you spend months memorising GUIs, proprietary crap, to pass an exam
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR	and then within 5 years it's all shuffled all over so your 'skills' are worthless aleady
[00:42]	leah	yes and learning that makes you more money than learning e=mc2
[00:42]	leah	these days
[00:42]	leah	nobody learns how anything works
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	that's the clown in  a nutshell: cargo cults, hype, buzzwords, passing fads
[00:43]	leah	"IT" in my school days was microcoft office 2003
[00:43]	leah	microsoft*
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	remember all those other "clown" "tech" that vanished?
[00:43]	leah	the laws of physics do not change. and the internet doesn't change
[00:43]	leah	but how we use it does
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	it does change a bit
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR	but I still wait to see "the year of ipv6" :-)
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR	we were promised this when i was an 18-y-o student
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR	I'm turning 40 some time soon
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR	we were also promise QUANTUM computing
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR	how did THAT turn out 2 decades later?
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR	*promised
[00:45]	leah	for my ISP, the year of IPv6 was 1998
[00:45]	leah	they've offered it on the order form since 1998. and provided it by default since 2004
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[00:46]	leah	they actually refer to the IPv4 internet as "legacy internet"
[00:46]	schestowitz	The Strike Regulations long protected by #AntnioCampinos (for more than 3 years) were supported by the Dutch delegation despite being unlawful; we take a look back at the people who made these illegal policies possible http://techrights.org/2021/10/08/dutch-role-illegal-epo-policies/
[00:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part VI: A Distinct Lack of Dutch Courage | Techrights
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[00:47]	techrights-news	Though its customary to assume a strong sense of justice in #Holland , the #EPO s affairs serve to dispute, disprove, and dispel such widespread perceptions http://techrights.org/2021/10/08/the-dutch-and-the-law/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/08/the-dutch-and-the-law/
[00:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Unlawful Legacy of Guus Broesterhuizen, Paul van Beukering, and Derk-Jan de Groot | Techrights
[00:47]	schestowitz-TR	leah: the pentagon monopolies will soon refer to them as "LEGACY ISPS"
[00:47]	schestowitz-TR	seeing they want to control everything in the pipeline
[00:47]	schestowitz-TR	inc. broadband
[00:47]	activelow	ipv6 didn't fix the BGP routing table sizes, which maybe is more critical than lack of v4 addresses, and v6 can accelerate the BGP routing table chaos
[00:48]	activelow	BGP issues was what took down fb
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	leah: whereabouts are you based? I heard you gave talks in usland
[00:49]	leah	i live in the UK
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	someone left me with the impression you were north american
[00:50]	leah	however, i have a great affinity for the people of 5th floor, 51 franklin street, boston, ma 02110
[00:50]	leah	yeah lol everyone thinks i'm an american but i'm not
[00:50]	leah	i have a thick essex accent
[00:50]	leah	though technically i'm a northerner, but i've lived in essex since i was a kid
[00:50]		*schestowitz-TR thinks of 'posh' YV shows with arrogant people in them
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	*TV
[00:51]	leah	have you ever heard my voice?
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	no
[00:51]	leah	you wouldn't think i'm an american if you did
[00:52]	techrights-news	#IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156581 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[00:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
[00:52]	leah	i have a great idea
[00:52]	leah	i will link you to something
[00:54]	leah	https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=oGc4tAR36yo
[00:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vid.puffyan.us | freenode #live 2018 - Leah Rowe - Libreboot - Invidious
[00:54]	leah	here is my *failed* libreboot talk at freenode.live 2018
[00:54]	leah	their projector was designed for hdmi, and someone in the audience brought me a usb-powered vga to hdmi adapter so i could connect my libreboot thinkpad
[00:55]	techrights-news	"its supplied with Firefox, it can capture screenshots, it understands JavaScript stacks, and Firefox is adding markers to indicate important events that may be useful to developers." https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2021/10/08/reducing-the-overhead-of-profiling-firefox-sleeping-threads/
[00:55]	altlink_c3e	 mozilla.org is Cloudflare domain.
[00:55]	altlink_c3e	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2021/10/08/reducing-the-overhead-of-profiling-firefox-sleeping-threads/
[00:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Reducing the Overhead of Profiling Firefox Sleeping Threads Mozilla Performance
[00:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Reducing the Overhead of Profiling Firefox Sleeping Threads Mozilla Performance
[00:55]	leah	but i neglected to realize: usb-powered. so i wasn't powering it, and thought it was just broken or something. so did the whole talk without slides. but yeah that's my voice. not an american :)
[00:56]	leah	those were different times. that talk is from another era
[00:56]	schestowitz-TR	not very essex accent
[00:56]	schestowitz-TR	which i guess makes sense
[00:57]	leah	an era of stagnation. i revived that project. in that talk, i'm lying the whole time. specifically, the lie is that the project isn't a dead project
[00:57]	leah	in 2018, it was a dead project
[00:57]	leah	i revived it in 2021, for real
[00:57]	schestowitz-TR	it was quiet
[00:57]	schestowitz-TR	for real
[00:57]	schestowitz-TR	after the whole "boycott gnu" episode
[00:57]	leah	yeah
[00:57]	activelow	boycott gnu?
[00:57]	leah	well, i felt great shame about that and stepped down, leaving others in charge
[00:58]	schestowitz-TR	boycotting bad things is good
[00:58]	schestowitz-TR	and looks good in hindsight
[00:58]	schestowitz-TR	we used to boycott novell until it vanished
[00:58]	leah	long story short, the project went nowhere after that, and earlier this year, i decided to just revert my stepping down and take over. and i deleted 5 years of time
[00:58]	schestowitz-TR	boycotting google people/orgs is bad optics
[00:58]	schestowitz-TR	and does not age well
[00:58]	schestowitz-TR	oops
[00:58]	schestowitz-TR	I meane "good people"
[00:58]	schestowitz-TR	types "google people"
[00:59]	leah	that's what happened. deleted 5 years of time. the project went through a re-write, that's why libreboot was silent for 5 years. the re-write went stale
[00:59]	schestowitz-TR	from the ireland of UK -)
[00:59]	leah	i had re-built my relations with fsf and gnu fully, by 2020
[00:59]	leah	anyway, in late 2020 i asked the then lead developer of libreboot, when the next release was. he gave me the same answer as every year since 2017: "soon"
[00:59]	schestowitz-TR	I see...
[00:59]	leah	I then said:
● Oct 09
[01:00]	leah	i bet i could do it in a month, from scratch
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR	fsf changed a bit
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR	but not enough
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR	tech changes fast
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR	fsf moves slowlu
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR	messaging on issues we had decades ago
[01:00]	leah	and i did just that. but then decided not to release it, and instead spent a few months polishing. and the result was my 2021 takeover, and the libreboot 20210522 release, which i'm still proud of
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR	RMS is not familiar with many existing issues and company names
[01:01]	schestowitz-TR	but..
[01:01]	schestowitz-TR	I might expect that for an org run by emacs users
[01:01]	leah	"5 years of time deleted" that's really what happened. a re-write that dragged on for 5 years, i cancelled it completely, thus deleting 5 years of time. i revived libreboot from 2016, and brought it up to date. but with one catch: x86 only
[01:01]	schestowitz-TR	who likely have not paid much attention to creeping listening devices, cars with back doors etc.
[01:01]	leah	non-x86 is much more advanced nowadays in coreboot land. from 2022 onwards, my focus is post-x86
[01:02]	schestowitz-TR	leah: x86 only might be short-sighted
[01:02]	schestowitz-TR	x86 is not growing
[01:02]	leah	yeah see what i said
[01:02]	schestowitz-TR	in relative market terms it lost A LOT this past decade
[01:02]	schestowitz-TR	even servers move away from it
[01:02]	schestowitz-TR	I see, jumped the gun a bit
[01:03]	leah	jumped the gnu, if ariadne and her alpine project have their way :)
[01:03]	schestowitz-TR	in fact, focusing too much on laptops/desktop is also a potential mistake
[01:03]	schestowitz-TR	many of today's computers you are UNABLE to access deep enough for booting freedom
[01:03]	schestowitz-TR	microchips in like 100 billion devices
[01:03]	leah	you mean phones and stuff?
[01:03]	schestowitz-TR	even headphones
[01:03]	leah	SoCs and such
[01:04]	schestowitz-TR	cars have many microchips
[01:04]	schestowitz-TR	when I was driving there were almost none
[01:04]	schestowitz-TR	maybe just dashboard
[01:04]	schestowitz-TR	and even that was done mostly analogue
[01:04]	leah	yeah i don't really understand that either
[01:04]	schestowitz-TR	maybe gas tank indicator was digitalised
[01:04]	leah	making everything "smart"
[01:05]	schestowitz-TR	selling crap
[01:05]	XRevan86	leah: I can immediately notice ye have a non-rhotic accent.
[01:05]	leah	it's a 6 ton heap of metal with wheels on it. this isn't complicated
[01:05]	schestowitz-TR	hard to repair
[01:05]	schestowitz-TR	they don't even keep spares 5 years down the line
[01:05]	leah	non-rhotic?
[01:05]	XRevan86	leah: start staht
[01:05]	schestowitz-TR	6 tons?
[01:05]	activelow	worked for a german automotive supplier, subsidiary of continental, who developed "infotainment" and navigation systems
[01:06]	schestowitz-TR	what car do you drive? semi trailers are maybe 20
[01:06]	schestowitz-TR	trucks 4-6 when empty
[01:06]	leah	schestowitz-TR: i don't drive, but when i do, it's usually big diesel cars
[01:06]	schestowitz-TR	but 6 tons sounds wrong
[01:06]	schestowitz-TR	let me check hummer
[01:06]	leah	i don't know how much cars weigh
[01:06]	leah	i was just estimating
[01:06]	schestowitz	2,900 kg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer
[01:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hummer - Wikipedia
[01:07]	activelow	an average car? 1.5tons
[01:07]	schestowitz	it barely gets heavier than this
[01:07]	leah	oh right. XRevan86 you mean i don't pronounce the r
[01:07]	XRevan86	leah: Also ye have a very British thing which is the /kant/ pronunciation.
[01:07]	XRevan86	* /knt/
[01:08]	leah	https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=jQNjgVfiJ_o
[01:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vid.puffyan.us | Rhotic vs Non Rhotic Accents - Invidious
[01:08]	leah	i'm watching this
[01:09]	XRevan86	Non-rhotic American pronunciation is a thing, and rhotic British pronunciation too (schestowitz is an example of that).
[01:09]	schestowitz-TR	compu-ha
[01:09]	schestowitz-TR	versus compu-TER
[01:09]	XRevan86	The "t" is another thing.
[01:10]	schestowitz	baha
[01:10]	schestowitz	bu-TTER
[01:10]	XRevan86	Rhoticity is specifically the "r".
[01:10]	leah	but i do pronounce the R
[01:10]	leah	e.g. remote
[01:10]	techrights-news	"Some of the services I host are hosted behind dynamic DNS. There are lots of services to automatically update the dns records if the IP changes, but most of them are not free or require regular confirmation of the domain." https://jbb.ghsq.ga/2021/10/07/DDNS.html
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[01:10]		*schestowitz-TR tries to speak as clearly as possible for non-English audience
[01:11]	XRevan86	leah: Obviously, but not as a leading sound or before a consonant.
[01:11]		*schestowitz-TR thinks it's considered 'slick' to munich words
[01:11]	schestowitz-TR	*munch
[01:11]	schestowitz-TR	and for locals with the same dialects it's poissble to 'guess' what's munched
[01:11]	XRevan86	leah: I don't know of any English accent that would go farther than that.
[01:11]	schestowitz-TR	it's cryptic language for the dialects
[01:12]	XRevan86	German accents do.
[01:12]	leah	this man has a non-rhotic accent: https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=wC3E2qTCIY8
[01:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vid.puffyan.us | Arthur C Clarke predicts the internet in 1964 - Invidious
[01:12]	XRevan86	leah: No, it's rhotic.
[01:13]	leah	oh my
[01:13]	leah	find me an english word with the most amount of R's in it
[01:13]	leah	https://www.wordlucky.com/words-with-most/r
[01:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wordlucky.com | words that containing most letter r
[01:13]	XRevan86	It's not about the amount, it's about the position. "right" is not it, "further" is it.
[01:14]	leah	now do a video pronouncing every one of those words
[01:14]	XRevan86	If ye say it like "fu/r/ther", your accent is rhotic.
[01:14]	leah	for the lols
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	leah: that first video is good
[01:14]	XRevan86	if like "fu-ther" (optionally with a longer vowel for maintaining the mora), then it's not
[01:15]	schestowitz-TR	lots of irish are rhotic
[01:15]	schestowitz-TR	esp. north
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR	they gfets loads of american tourists too
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR	probably makes them easier to comprehend
[01:16]	XRevan86	leah: The other thing I mentioned (about "can't") is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap%E2%80%93bath_split
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[01:17]	activelow	english language vocabulary is obfuscated by transcription errors
[01:17]	activelow	for example, egg, it may be written correctly, but english pronounce it wrong
[01:18]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.30   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 32.45 swarm size (avg): 258.19  
[01:18]	activelow	it is pronounced correctly as ej (similar to eye), the transcription error was introduced because lower-german dialect pronounces g as j
[01:18]	leah	XRevan86: i carnt fathom it
[01:18]	activelow	which is the joke, with gif and jif
[01:19]	techrights-news	Developers finally get Linux running on an Apple M1-powered Mac http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156507#comment-31301
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[01:20]	techrights-news	Retro Dreamer G4A CM4 by My Retro Game Case https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eddietay/retro-dreamer-g4a-cm4-by-my-retro-game-case/description SBC with #gnu #linux as handheld console on the cheap
[01:20]	altlink_c3e	 kickstarter.com is Cloudflare domain.
[01:20]	altlink_c3e	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eddietay/retro-dreamer-g4a-cm4-by-my-retro-game-case/description
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[01:22]	techrights-news	Another #linux powered #gaming handheld device https://liliputing.com/2021/10/gpd-xp-is-a-modular-handheld-android-gaming-device-coming-soon.html
[01:22]	altlink_c3e	 liliputing.com is Cloudflare domain.
[01:22]	altlink_c3e	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://liliputing.com/2021/10/gpd-xp-is-a-modular-handheld-android-gaming-device-coming-soon.html
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[01:22]	XRevan86	activelow: The loan is from Old Norse, where it *was* pronounced with a /g/
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[01:24]	activelow	however g is pronounced correctly
[01:24]	techrights-news	Let's hope that's all there is to it; earlier this year #raspi sold out to #microsoft and becoming ".com" is part of a bad trend, like #mozilla spinning off #freesw as "PRODUCTS" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-launches-new-site
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[01:25]	activelow	same with Water and Wasser (because in old fraktur script t and s have a similar shape), or hate and hass
[01:25]	XRevan86	activelow: There is a loan from West-Germanic in English too: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ey#English
[01:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | ey - Wiktionary
[01:26]	XRevan86	It was there first but then got replaced by the Old Norse one: egg.
[01:26]	techrights-news	"Kate has had an LSP plugin for sometime now, which uses Clangd. It's a great plugin that brings many code navigation/validation features, akin to those available in Qt Creator and KDevelop." https://ahmadsamir.github.io/2021/10/08/gcc-clang-variadic-macros-warnings.html #deletegithub #kde
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[01:26]	XRevan86	with spelling and with pronunciation
[01:27]	activelow	XRevan86: in german "egg" is pronounced similar to eck (corner), maybe egg being the object and eck/corner the location where it was found
[01:28]	techrights-news	LED Matrix Hourglass Knows Which Way Is Up | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/10/08/led-matrix-hourglass-knows-which-way-is-up/ #hackaday on a neat #arduino project...
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[01:28]	activelow	during stone age humans probably didn't distinguish precisely with vocabulary and grammar
[01:28]	XRevan86	activelow: Why does it matter how it's pronounced in modern German?
[01:29]	activelow	XRevan86: because german language can reconstruct some biblical texts, i think
[01:29]	activelow	and it is a difference if live was born out of an ey (instead of created by an almighty god lord), different phrasing different meaning
[01:30]	XRevan86	activelow: Just like Russian is exactly kak niemetsky, nikakoy raznitsy.
[01:30]	leah	anyway. i can run mozilla thunderbird and firefox simultaneously now. 8gb is the new 1gb
[01:30]	leah	when i was a teenager, you needed 1gb to do that
[01:30]	leah	now you need 8gb
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[01:31]	XRevan86	activelow: What ye just said, it made no sense whatsoever.
[01:31]	leah	if you install a lightweight browser like surf, and disable javascript, and use mutt+vim for email, 8gb becomes 256MB
[01:31]	leah	i hate modern software. it's the same software that i used 20 years ago, but it's 100x less efficient
[01:32]	leah	sometimes, the program is finished and needs no further improvement. when software gets to this point, there are 2 types of people: one of them goes on to create KDE plasma. the other simply continues to use their now perfect software
[01:33]	XRevan86	activelow: Ease up on folk linguistics.
[01:33]	leah	and the KDE plasma people are doing great harm to the world
[01:34]	leah	by encouraging people to throw away their perfectly good computers, thus contributing to e-waste, and making life very hard indeed for those of us who do not wish to upgrade our hardware
[01:34]	leah	for no gain of functionality. in fact, lightweight software does more
[01:37]	XRevan86	leah: I cannot focus on software when all I can think of is the activelow's line of thought that puns in German or English are even valid for Bible interpretation.
[01:37]	XRevan86	That's wrong on so many levels I am baffled.
[01:38]	activelow	XRevan86: german and english are older than the bible
[01:38]	activelow	sorry leah
[01:38]	schestowitz-TR	in what form?
[01:39]	schestowitz-TR	all languages are connected at some levels
[01:39]	schestowitz-TR	but Germanic languages are not that old
[01:39]	XRevan86	activelow: And everyone involved weren't aware of its existence + what schestowitz said
[01:39]	schestowitz-TR	Roman maybe
[01:39]	schestowitz-TR	even Roman in the ancient days wasn't Italian
[01:39]	XRevan86	schestowitz: They are that old.
[01:40]	XRevan86	but not how they are, yes
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[01:40]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: french and english are similar in many ways
[01:40]	schestowitz-TR	but structurally varied
[01:40]	schestowitz-TR	latin is a common root, but who speaks pure latin these days?
[01:40]	schestowitz-TR	I know Tim from techBytes could
[01:41]	activelow	latin isn't a common root
[01:41]	activelow	german is
[01:41]	schestowitz-TR	I also have a friend that can, but because some schools teach that
[01:41]	XRevan86	> Proto-Germanic eventually developed from pre-Proto-Germanic into three Germanic branches during the fifth century BC to fifth century A
[01:42]	XRevan86	So during the Bible development German and English were both in the Proto-Germanic stage.
[01:42]	schestowitz-TR	the old bible is ramic iirc
[01:42]	schestowitz-TR	*aramic
[01:43]	XRevan86	Semitic languages + Ancient Greek.
[01:43]	activelow	my hypothesis: rune script is older than greek/latin script; rune script is the common ancestry which was carried north and appeared there later
[01:44]	activelow	because northward settlemend during "late bronce age collapse" and persian raids prolonged centuries, and norther regions retained an *older* script although it appeared later
[01:45]	XRevan86	activelow: Maybe K&R C is actually newer than C89.
[01:45]	activelow	in hebrew it is Aleph, in German it is Alles (fraktur script f and s look similar)
[01:45]	XRevan86	who's to say which way of declaring procedures is newer? equally likely.
[01:46]	XRevan86	Maybe prototypes are older but just resurfaced later.
[01:46]	activelow	XRevan86: Negau Helmet
[01:47]	XRevan86	activelow: And?
[01:48]	activelow	evidence
[01:49]	XRevan86	activelow: Of the Etruscan alphabet?
[01:49]	techrights-news	#ProprietarySoftware and #LinuxFoundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156582 #TuxMachines
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[01:49]	activelow	XRevan86: runes
[01:52]	activelow	and "Celts" aren't people, it is the german word Zelt (tent); "Gauls" (french) aren't a tribe either, a Gaul is a male horse (german)
[01:52]	XRevan86	activelow: Prove to me it's not the Etruscan alphabet.
[01:52]	XRevan86	but a sudden anachronistic example of a runic alphabet
[01:53]	activelow	Saxons are not a tribe either, a Sach/x/ck is the german word for bag - all this is bronce age vocabulary, retained in german language with their original meaning, not french or latin or english
[01:53]	techrights-news	#Mozilla and #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156583 #www #TuxMachines
[01:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla and Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[01:54]	XRevan86	Ukraine is not a country either, the word is a Slavic word for a corner, that totally invalidates everything.
[01:54]	techrights-news	#Hackable #Hardware With Linux, #Arduino Etc. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156584 #Linux #TuxMachines
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[01:54]	XRevan86	(that is occasionally used as a real argument)
[01:54]	schestowitz-TR	wait, ukraine is a word?
[01:54]	XRevan86	Okraina is
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR	so crimeas is the Okraina of Okraina :-D
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR	*Crimea
[01:55]	XRevan86	give it a bit of ukaye, and suddenly it's Ukraina
[01:55]	XRevan86	(like in yabloko yabluko)
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: a large set of island in southeast asia is called after a spanish king
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR	so make Spain  Great Again
[01:56]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Well, the logic is that it's Outer Lands of something.
[01:56]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: when I hear Russians saying it, well, it's ooohk, raaaa, yina
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: outer land of EU
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR	corner of EU
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR	thanks,Putin
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR	for clarifying it's part of the EU ;-)
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR	Belarusia nxt
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR	the Bel in Belarus? That's BELGIUm
[01:57]	XRevan86	Bel- is for White
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR	Brussels .. checkmate
[01:57]	XRevan86	White-o-Rus'
[01:58]	XRevan86	or rather, White-a-Rus', because of akaye reflected in spelling
[01:58]	schestowitz-TR	"greater" Russia
[01:58]	XRevan86	ukaye is ou, akaye is oa :)
[01:59]	activelow	"prussia"
[01:59]	schestowitz-TR	Romaia, Bulgaria, Hungaria
[01:59]	schestowitz-TR	Russia obviously
[01:59]	schestowitz-TR	all nations with "ia"
[01:59]	schestowitz-TR	Alimania 
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[02:00]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamannia
[02:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Alamannia - Wikipedia
[02:00]	XRevan86	Anyway, I don't get why activelow brought up all this naming stuff. Should I double-check that?
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR	he reads up a lot on hiostory
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR	old literature
[02:01]	activelow	sometimes i do
[02:01]	techrights-news	#Ubuntu: Kubernetes With MAAS and Snaps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156585 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[02:01]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: better thann sscrolling up and down in FB
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR	you might actualyl learn something valuable
[02:01]	XRevan86	Well, I know that activelow's interpretation of "Celt" is totally wrong.
[02:02]	schestowitz-TR	the "mainstream" (schools, TV, etc.) teach stuff selectively
[02:02]	XRevan86	Because the word "Celt" is at its root, surprisingly, a Celtic word.
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR	the history here is hard to learn
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR	because of many overlaps
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR	wales, scotland, ireland
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR	to get naturalised I'd likely need to memorise the "official" stoprie
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR	*stories
[02:04]	activelow	"German" is a misnomer too, it is transcribed errornously, it is Heer-Mann (military man), a designation applied by foreignors
[02:04]	XRevan86	activelow: Please, stop!
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR	hermann is a surname
[02:05]	XRevan86	activelow: The bloody word "German" is of Latin origin, so please stop.
[02:07]	XRevan86	And back then the word had /a/ for a vowel.
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR	reeks of "alternative facts" to me
[02:07]	XRevan86	I mean "Heer".
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR	like the ones you find in scopes
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR	and then go, ahhh..., it was only a joke
[02:08]	schestowitz-TR	*snopes
[02:08]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Yes, activelow is an extreme case of a folk linguist. Or how Russians call them, a lingua-freak.
[02:08]	activelow	"Herr" is the Lord, and "Heer" is the army
[02:08]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: I think scientes was digging deep also
[02:08]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Well, at least he had a point.
[02:09]	XRevan86	He dug deep, but it was too deep for me to refute :)
[02:09]	schestowitz-TR	is he on 'liber'-a?
[02:09]	XRevan86	activelow's statements are on a level like "the Linux codebase has not a single "if" in it"
[02:10]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Yes.
[02:10]	schestowitz-TR	if you ever get in touch, let him know where we are
[02:10]	schestowitz-TR	he has been here for well over a decade
[02:10]	XRevan86	Very easy to disprove, but which also sounds false off the start.
[02:10]	schestowitz-TR	he introduced me to Liz Warren around 2009
[02:12]	XRevan86	or more like "Etruskan actually means This is Russian, an evidence of BC Russians"
[02:12]	XRevan86	or "there's Cyrillic writing on the Sun"
[02:13]		*XRevan86 is so unimaginative he uses real statements for this freak-linguistic examples.
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[02:14]	schestowitz-TR	first time I hear that term
[02:14]	schestowitz-TR	which I interpret as the literary equivalent of seeing shapes and symbols where none are applicable
[02:14]	XRevan86	Etruskan==This is Russian is from Zadornov, Sun Cyrillic is from Chudinov.
[02:15]	schestowitz-TR	like those who dissect logos for shapes and words for phenetics that are purely coincidental
[02:15]	XRevan86	https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/,__ no English article, bummer.
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[02:15]	schestowitz-TR	either way, I loathe that form of thinking because it's weak evidence
[02:15]	schestowitz-TR	and a path too k00ky territory
[02:15]	schestowitz-TR	like, imagine us anallysing EPO logo
[02:16]	XRevan86	https://lurkmore.so/images/d/db/Svetamir4.jpg he was doing this kind of stuff
[02:16]	altlink_48f	 lurkmore.so is Cloudflare domain.
[02:16]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lurkmore.so/images/d/db/Svetamir4.jpg
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	to find rounds and pyramids and things or dissecting the words in EPO to find things that just sound connected
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR posted a meme the other day
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	iirc= something like obama's name having 19 letters in it
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	hence "=COVID-19"
[02:17]	schestowitz-TR	in the case of words, you can do revisionist dissection of them
[02:17]	schestowitz-TR	and on the surface it stands
[02:17]	schestowitz-TR	but post-hoc
[02:17]	schestowitz-TR	lots of place names like that
[02:17]	MinceR	schestowitz-TR: the name had 18 letters in it, though
[02:18]	MinceR	whoever wrote that sign couldn't even add up 3 numbers correctly
[02:18]	schestowitz-TR	you try to make it sound like a place name stands for some words that were not at all connected to the original name
[02:18]	schestowitz-TR	in the uk it's easy to do
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[02:18]	schestowitz-TR	a friend of mine misled his young nephew
[02:18]	schestowitz-TR	liver-pool
[02:18]	schestowitz-TR	man-chester
[02:18]	schestowitz-TR	lots of wordplay possible here
[02:19]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: yes, maybe paid to act dumb
[02:19]	schestowitz-TR	for the photograph
[02:19]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Brave to share these examples around activelow :)
[02:19]	XRevan86	schestowitz: But since they aren't related to East Germany, it might be okay :).
[02:19]	schestowitz-TR	I find it almost unfasthomable someone thought that sign made any sense
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	even east germany as a concept is BS
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	it's one country divided after its fall
[02:20]	activelow	no
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	to the countries to the east and west
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	like drawn up borders near syria
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	which the french and english drew up
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	some in noth africa
[02:20]	activelow	predating 1945 eastern prussia was multi-national, and german-speakers were expelled and murdered, millions of them
[02:21]	activelow	on top of those 7million soldiers, another few million civilians were murdered
[02:21]	activelow	which doesn't account for the "red terror" before ww2
[02:21]	schestowitz-TR	but was there an "east germeny"?
[02:21]	activelow	ukraine, poland, romania
[02:21]	activelow	expelled and murdered everywhere
[02:21]	XRevan86	schestowitz: "one country" countries are not that strong a concept, and German unity is a recent enough concept.
[02:22]	schestowitz	"19491990"
[02:22]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany
[02:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | East Germany - Wikipedia
[02:22]	activelow	and after 1990 it is the final stroke
[02:22]	schestowitz-TR	it's like saying East England
[02:22]	schestowitz-TR	that just refers to "where" inside the UK
[02:22]	schestowitz-TR	there's no "East England" per se
[02:22]	XRevan86	schestowitz: But on top of that, yes, correct.
[02:23]	schestowitz-TR	hmmm... east germany was a lot smaller than I thought
[02:23]	schestowitz-TR	I thought Germany had been annxed about 50-50 territory-wise
[02:23]	schestowitz-TR	west germany was twice as big
[02:23]	XRevan86	schestowitz: It was, but there's a catch.
[02:24]	schestowitz-TR	they catch you
[02:24]	schestowitz-TR	yhey kill you
[02:24]	XRevan86	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Deutschland_Besatzungszonen_8_Jun_1947_-_22_Apr_1949.svg
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[02:25]	XRevan86	schestowitz: This is how Germany was *actually* divided.
[02:25]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany#/media/File:Soviet_Sector_Germany.png
[02:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | East Germany - Wikipedia
[02:25]	XRevan86	France got a pie, which is an amazing feat of Western Ally diplomacy :)
[02:26]	schestowitz-TR	back then the "vakias" were together
[02:26]	schestowitz-TR	cologne
[02:26]	schestowitz-TR	still frenchy
[02:27]	XRevan86	> The four zones were agreed by the United States, United Kingdom and Soviet Union at the February 1945 Yalta Conference, setting aside an earlier division into three zones (excluding France) proposed by the September 1944 London Protocol.
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR	now it's mostly the US keeping a share of those pie
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR	by proxy
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR	like lots of ilitary bases in italy and germany
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR	still
[02:28]	schestowitz-TR	so it was divided into four, like japan..
[02:28]	schestowitz-TR	except witihout it being large islands
[02:29]	schestowitz	Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, and Kyushu
[02:29]	XRevan86	Ah, the French zone is taken from the initially agreed UK and US zones.
[02:30]	XRevan86	That explains why East Germany was 1/2 of West Germany and not 1/3
[02:32]	techrights-news	" #gpg2 sucks" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-081021.html#tOct%2008%2013:52:54
[02:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 08, 2021
[02:33]	leah	https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=Cxqca4RQd_M
[02:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vid.puffyan.us | If Google Was A Guy (Full Series) - Invidious
[02:33]	leah	it gets better and better
[02:33]	XRevan86	leah: Sore it :)
[02:34]	MinceR	more pictures of spaghetti! more pictures of spaghetti!
[02:34]	XRevan86	sawsore before another word that starts with a vowel is a British thing.
[02:34]	techrights-news	#gop as a harvbour or shelter to nutty politicians http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-081021.html#tOct%2008%2002:52:45
[02:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 08, 2021
[02:35]	DaemonFC	https://reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/4406569483284
[02:35]	altlink_48f	 reddithelp.com is Cloudflare domain.
[02:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-reddithelp.com | How does disruptive comment collapsing work? Reddit Help
[02:35]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/4406569483284
[02:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | How does disruptive comment collapsing work? Reddit Help
[02:35]	DaemonFC	Reddit is adding more censorship/
[02:35]	leah	my favourite is the old man who asks for "google.com website"
[02:36]	techrights-news	Adoption of #microsoft #windows #vista Service Pack '11' already failing http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-081021.html
[02:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 08, 2021
[02:36]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: not just reddit
[02:36]	schestowitz-TR	what is it this time?
[02:36]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: I dumped thelayoff.com
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR	they censor too muc
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR	they censored before, but now they do it in bulk
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR	it's disguising
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[02:37]	schestowitz-TR	one moment you see a post, then it is gone
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR	I cannot support a site like that
[02:38]	schestowitz-TR	shaping public opinion by silencing some people
[02:38]	schestowitz-TR	based on the poltiics and beliefs of the site's moderators
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[02:39]	XRevan86	leah: Haven't noticed you doing it (or not doing it, didn't catch a suitable condition in the bit I've listened to), but regardless your pronunciation is very clearly UK :)
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[02:41]	XRevan86	leah: Hmm, "momths", I don't know if that's strictly a British thing, but I've only heard British people mispronounce "months" like that.
[02:41]	schestowitz	"fs"
[02:41]	XRevan86	"mispronounce" is a strong word, I know.
[02:41]	schestowitz	mOnfffs
[02:42]	techrights-news	 Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-10-08.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2021-10-08.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: more swallowing
[02:42]	XRevan86	schestowitz: That is a Cockney trait what ye mention, but I point out the "m" instead of "n".
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR	people here swallow words a lo
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR	*lot
[02:42]	leah	"do a barrel roll"
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR	US south slows it down and sings it
[02:42]	leah	that one had me in stitches
[02:43]	XRevan86	leah: I do a full stop after "barrel", I'm not sure if that sounds native or not.
[02:43]	schestowitz-TR	to me what matter is clarify
[02:43]	schestowitz-TR	not just to locals
[02:43]	XRevan86	When I do full stops I feel like I sound Russian.
[02:43]	schestowitz-TR	"whooo?"
[02:43]	schestowitz-TR	"whaaaaa?"
[02:44]	schestowitz-TR	"may" (mate)
[02:44]	schestowitz-TR	to people outside the country it makes no sense, and maybe that's partly the intention
[02:44]	schestowitz-TR	foooo
[02:44]	XRevan86	leah: The bit with "momths" is 7:57
[02:44]	schestowitz-TR	in memeland "fuuuuuu" is a joke
[02:44]	schestowitz-TR	here some people still pronnounce it like this
[02:45]	schestowitz-TR	no c or k or ck at all
[02:45]	schestowitz-TR	just "fo"
[02:45]	MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/nYPRgq6.mp4
[02:45]	altlink_48f	 imgur.com is Cloudflare domain.
[02:45]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/nYPRgq6.mp4
[02:45]	leah	"facebook"
[02:46]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: I remember that
[02:46]	XRevan86	leah: The t's are very British: they go from a very clear "t" to a kind of swallowed "t", I'm not sure what that's called.
[02:46]	schestowitz-TR	bri-hish
[02:46]	XRevan86	Americans cheat the t's but they do it differently (flap t).
[02:46]	schestowitz-TR	bwihish
[02:47]	schestowitz-TR	maybe you can drop the sh too
[02:47]	schestowitz-TR	bwihi person
[02:47]	schestowitz-TR	pretty?
[02:47]	schestowitz-TR	no mai (mate)
[02:47]	XRevan86	schestowitz: No, leah would say "bri/t/ish", but in "boot" it would be something else.
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR	buuwww
[02:48]	XRevan86	"we would basically want to contax the FSF again"
[02:49]	schestowitz-TR	leah: you're supposed to say "boycott gnu" AFTER getting an FSF award :-)
[02:49]	schestowitz-TR	not before
[02:49]	schestowitz-TR	that's the tradition
[02:49]	schestowitz-TR	kuhn, deb, de icaza, de raadt
[02:50]	schestowitz-TR	i forgot mjg59_
[02:50]	schestowitz-TR	the fake freedom guy
[02:50]	schestowitz-TR	white is the new black
[02:51]	XRevan86	8:30 here "boot" is practically "boo"
[02:51]	techrights-news	"No matter your ultimate lean on politics, you have to admit its pretty strange to sit with the knowledge that OAN, a conservative news network, was effectively funded by AT&T, right?" https://tedium.co/2021/10/08/att-facebook-antitrust-comparison/
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[02:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tedium.co | Would a Facebook Breakup Look Like AT&Ts Breakup?
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[02:52]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: I always utter the Ts
[02:52]	XRevan86	> to a kind of swallowed "t", I'm not sure what that's called.
[02:52]	XRevan86	When I heard it at 8:30, I realised it's a full-on glottal stop.
[02:53]	schestowitz-TR	swallowing limits your audience
[02:53]	schestowitz-TR	just like doing a talk in germany does...
[02:53]	MinceR	that's what she said.
[02:53]	schestowitz-TR	she spoke in tongues
[02:54]	schestowitz	Laura Tucker spamming agin https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/apple-mac-mini-with-m1/
[02:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Save $100 on a 2020 Apple Mac Mini with M1 Chip - Make Tech Easier
[02:54]	schestowitz	this time for crApple
[02:55]	techrights-news	"I've promised a Linux From Scratch series for a very long time and I've kept putting it off but we're finally here and I'm finally ready to hate my life." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mW64pOTP8UU #gnu #linux
[02:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Linux From ScratchI'm Now A Distro Maintainer - Invidious
[02:55]	schestowitz	"Whitney joined TLAV to discuss her recent article on Moderna, as well as our previous discussion around your anonymity and privacy, and how these concepts are on the way out in lieu of a reimagining of our world where these concepts are a burden on the system; a system in which you own nothing and you have never been happier or so we are aggressively told known as The Great Reset. " 
[02:55]	schestowitz	https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/10/press/tlav-facebook-whistleblower-ending-anonymity-modernas-hail-mary/
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[02:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unlimitedhangout.com | TLAV- Facebook "Whistleblower", Ending Anonymity & Moderna's Hail Mary
[02:55]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Opened a random video and got an example :)
[02:55]	XRevan86	http://techrights.org/videos/nl-epo-immunity-role.webm 7:06
[02:55]	leah	well, that video was a trip. it really made my day. i only just found it today
[02:55]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Here ye say the word "sitting" twice, listen carefully to the second time ye say it.
[02:56]	leah	schestowitz: i don't care about awards
[02:56]	leah	i don't need permission to feel accomplishment
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[02:56]	leah	i just need to accomplish my dreams, and walk away with all the money
[02:56]	leah	:P
[02:57]	leah	most of the people who get that award don't deserve it or are just meh
[02:57]	activelow	awards are a burden
[02:57]	leah	alyssa rosenzweig is a recent rare exception. she does amazing work and got the fsf free software award this year. this is the founder of the Panfrost project
[02:57]	leah	but then
[02:57]	leah	on the dark side of that
[02:57]	leah	mjg59_ got the award once
[02:57]	leah	:P
[02:58]	leah	i don't think people need an award. an award is a kick of dopamine that lasts very little time
[02:58]	leah	the only thing you need to do is to continue doing what you want to do, every day, and don't worry about everyone else. if others find you useful, then you are useful, but you're not doing it for them
[02:58]	XRevan86	schestowitz, leah: Anyway, both of you have clear English that it's easy to understand.
[02:58]	XRevan86	* that is
[02:58]	leah	both?
[02:58]	leah	who is the other besides me?
[02:59]	XRevan86	leah: schestowitz also went on a journey of pronunciation introspection :)
[02:59]	leah	schestowitz: anyway, i know the value of my work. i don't need an "award" to tell me i'm doing good work
[02:59]	leah	there was a time in my life where i tried to live up to other people's expectations. it didn't go so well. i know i'm doing good work when i'm happy on a personal level
● Oct 09
[03:00]	MinceR	09 035407 <~schestowitz> Laura Tucker spamming agin https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/apple-mac-mini-with-m1/
[03:00]	MinceR	save even more by not buying it
[03:00]	leah	schestowitz: and i also abandoned my gnu boycott in 2017, and am currently trying to get libreboot back into gnu
[03:00]	leah	have been trying for years
[03:01]	leah	my relations with fsf these days are great
[03:01]	activelow	leah: what do you think of u-boot loader?
[03:01]	leah	i talk to individual staff and rms regularly
[03:01]	XRevan86	schestowitz is easier to confuse for a non-British accent bearer, because Northern English accents are not as recognisable as they don't have that many traits shared with RP.
[03:01]	schestowitz	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156505#comment-31285
[03:02]	activelow	to my knowledge core/libreboot target IBM Wintel PC mostly - and i have given up on them, not because of libreboot, because of IBM Wintel PC
[03:02]	XRevan86	Except that schestowitz used to drop H's, but in this video I'm listening to he doesn't do that.
[03:02]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Is that an active effort?
[03:03]	leah	schestowitz: there's a graphic i want to share with you, from xkcd, to illustrate what i'm talking about
[03:03]	XRevan86	leah: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-glottalization found an aricle
[03:04]	leah	schestowitz: https://xkcd.com/2347/
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[03:04]	leah	schestowitz: this perfectly illustrates what i mean
[03:04]	leah	the 2003 guy doesn't get an award
[03:04]	activelow	same sad story with Guix, which i found recently it maintains toolchain bootstrapping with x86 assembly; it's sad because of x86, not guix itself
[03:04]	leah	the 2003 person in that illustration is just doing their job, and doing it happily
[03:05]	leah	that's how everyone should be. don't wait for someone to tell you you did good. just keep doing good, and keep trying to be better, while expecting nothing in return
[03:05]		*XRevan86 is done analysing speech :).
[03:05]	leah	the media whores like garret are the ones that get all the awards, while the rest of us do actual fucking work all day :P
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[03:07]	leah	i'm more like the 2003 person. in fact, i look up to that 2003 person. the random person from nebraska thanklessly maintaining a critical project since 2003
[03:07]	leah	that's how everyone should act. just do their jobs
[03:08]		*XRevan86 writes down: leah looks up to Ariadne.
[03:09]	leah	if you have more than 10,000 twitter followers, you're probably not interesting
[03:11]	XRevan86	"we also haf"  (12:49) okay, one more: I noticed that after British speakers.
[03:12]	schestowitz-TR	Ariadne: around?
[03:13]	activelow	i am not aware of any other distro than GNU/Guix who bootstrap gcc toolchain from assembly (except some 8/16bit microcontroller fringe elsewhere)
[03:14]	activelow	GNU chose x86 for this, similar to core/libreboot focus on that platform
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[03:18]	DaemonFC	Vivaldi 4.3 is out.
[03:18]	DaemonFC	Still no ads in the address bar. B-)
[03:18]	DaemonFC	Mozilla will be implementing those soon.
[03:19]	DaemonFC	Debian needs to replace Firefox with something else or figure out some way of disabling this.
[03:19]	XRevan86	leah: Around the 14 minute mark ye consistently started saying "boots" for "boot", and I don't know what to attribute that to.
[03:19]	MinceR	why would debian care?
[03:19]	DaemonFC	Or just drop the Mozilla branding and disable this if they have to. Go back to Iceweasel.
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[03:20]	techrights-news	 NEWS #MeteBalci Hello IPv6: a minimal tutorial for IPv4 users https://metebalci.com/blog/hello-ipv6/
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[03:21]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Undeadly #BSD #OpenBSD Catchup 2021-10-08 http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20211008075752
[03:21]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheVerge #Chromium #GoogleReader is still defunct, but now you can follow RSS feeds in Chrome on Android https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/8/22716813/google-chrome-follow-button-rss-reader
[03:22]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TechRepublic #Programming Open source developers are unique: Tips for working with and managing community-centric dev teams https://www.techrepublic.com/article/open-source-developers-are-unique-tips-for-working-with-and-managing-community-centric-dev-teams/
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[03:28]	activelow	the freedom gap between 8/16bit GPL realm and 32bit one is huge
[03:29]	activelow	in the 8/16bit realm, the OS itself fully implements hardware init "basic i/o system"; written in asm
[03:30]	schestowitz-TR	leah: agree with everything you said about that award
[03:30]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/03/20/bradley-kuhn-fsf-award/
[03:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why Does the FSF Keep Rewarding People Who Work Against the FSFs Founder? | Techrights
[03:30]	schestowitz	also related, but older (about dumb awards)
[03:30]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/04/24/raytheon-blessed-by-red-hat/
[03:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Giving Awards to Raytheon Wont Help Red Hats Image | Techrights
[03:31]	schestowitz	they can become a liability
[03:31]	activelow	i suspect the 32bit evolution of *nix was burried below the remains of the at&t and unix wars
[03:31]	schestowitz	EPO example: http://techrights.org/2018/05/04/theranos-epo-fraud/
[03:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Elizabeth Holmes Charged With Massive Fraud and Team Battistelli Rushes to Distance Itself From Her | Techrights
[03:31]	schestowitz	EFF example: http://techrights.org/2019/08/17/staying-focused/
[03:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Electronic Frontier Foundation Makes a Mistake by Giving Award to Microsoft Surveillance Person | Techrights
[03:32]	schestowitz	newer EPO example (part 1 of 3) http://techrights.org/2018/05/10/the-epo-inventor-award-scam/
[03:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Inventor Award Scam: Part I | Techrights
[03:32]	XRevan86	leah: It fits the palatalisation sound change somewhat, but that's iffy. "boot""boots" is an interesting sound shift.
[03:33]	schestowitz	XRevan86: Boots and Cats - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Nni0rTLg5B8
[03:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Boots and Cats - Invidious
[03:33]	schestowitz	via MinceR (old)
[03:33]	schestowitz	boot and boots
[03:33]	schestowitz	English (EN) accent
[03:34]	XRevan86	(01:48:33) XRevan86: "we would basically want to contax the FSF again"
[03:34]	XRevan86	There's that slight s-ness.
[03:35]	XRevan86	schestowitz: heh
[03:41]	techrights-news	#Microsoft #Windows TCO: #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware Macquarie Health Corporation hit by Windows Hive ransomware https://itwire.com/security/macquarie-health-corporation-hit-by-windows-hive-ransomware.html
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[03:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Macquarie Health Corporation hit by Windows Hive ransomware
[03:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | iTWire - Macquarie Health Corporation hit by Windows Hive ransomware
[03:42]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware Democrats urge federal agencies to address use of cryptocurrencies for ransomware payments https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/575989-democrats-urge-federal-agencies-to-address-use-of-cryptocurrencies-for
[03:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Democrats urge federal agencies to address use of cryptocurrencies for ransomware payments | TheHill
[03:42]	techrights-news	 NEWS #HotHardware #ProprietaryCrap #Apple Apple's M1-Powered Macs Will Soon Finally Run Linux Natively But There's A Catch https://hothardware.com/news/linux-on-apple-m1-reports-progress-in-september
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[03:42]	XRevan86	leah: The best way to describe it I can think of is T-affricatisation
[03:52]	techrights-news	 NEWS #NBC #Energy #Covid19 is at the center of worlds energy crunch, but a cascade of problems is fueling it https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/covid-center-world-energy-crunch-cascade-problems-fuel-rcna2688 "Not only has Covid-19 killed more than 4.5 million people, it saw global energy consumption shrink by 4.5 percent last year"
[03:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Covid at the center of world energy crunch, but cascade of problems fuel it
[03:56]	XRevan86	* T-affrication
● Oct 09
[04:00]	XRevan86	> though technically i'm a northerner, but i've lived in essex since i was a kid
[04:00]	XRevan86	leah: By any chance not from Liverpool?
[04:01]	XRevan86	Because I cannot find this happening in English anywhere but in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouse
[04:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Scouse - Wikipedia
[04:02]	XRevan86	It's a form of opening lenition.
[04:08]	techrights-news	#Techrights Bulletin for Friday, October 08, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives
[04:08]	techrights-news	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:15]	XRevan86	I did learn technical things from the leah's presentation also, I thought Libreboot is a fork of coreboot akin to Linux-libre but it's more of a toolchain.
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[04:21]	techrights-news	 NEWS #BBC #Censorship Hong Kong: University orders Tiananmen statue's removal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58847650
[04:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Hong Kong: University orders Tiananmen statue's removal - BBC News
[04:24]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TimesHigherEducation #Censorship University of Hong Kong wants Tiananmen Pillar of Shame gone https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/university-hong-kong-wants-tiananmen-pillar-shame-gone
[04:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | University of Hong Kong wants Tiananmen Pillar of Shame gone | Times Higher Education (THE)
[04:26]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Bloomberg #Monopolies #Apple Seeks to Delay Ruling Loosening Its Grip on App Store https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-08/apple-to-appeal-epic-ruling-loosening-its-grip-on-app-store
[04:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
[04:26]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheVerge #Monopolies #Apple is appealing the #EpicGames ruling it originally called a resounding victory https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/8/22717271/apple-appeals-epic-games-ruling-anti-steering
[04:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Apple is appealing the Epic Games ruling it originally called a resounding victory - The Verge
[04:27]	leah	XRevan86: yeah i regard it as a coreboot distro
[04:27]	techrights-news	 NEWS #EFF Virtual Workshop Tuesday: EFFs #MitchStoltz Will Discuss #FreeSoftware Movement On Panel Examining Ethics and Open Source Software Licensing https://www.eff.org/press/releases/virtual-workshop-tuesday-effs-mitch-stoltz-will-discuss-free-software-movement-panel the movement you attack: http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/eff-rogue/
[04:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Virtual Workshop Tuesday: EFFs Mitch Stoltz Will Discuss Free Software Movement On Panel Examining Ethics and Open Source Software Licensing | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[04:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EFF Attacks Software Freedom and Promotes Fake Privacy Linked to Microsoft | Techrights
[04:27]	leah	distro in the same way that debian is a gnu+linux distro
[04:27]	leah	XRevan86: and no, not liverpool. in fact, i've never set foot there
[04:30]	techrights-news	 NEWS #FAIR #wikileaks Deathly Silence: Journalists Who Mocked #Assange Have Nothing to Say About CIA Plans to Kill Him https://fair.org/home/deathly-silence-journalists-who-mocked-assange-have-nothing-to-say-about-cia-plans-to-kill-him/
[04:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fair.org | Deathly Silence: Journalists Who Mocked Assange Have Nothing to Say About CIA Plans to Kill Him - FAIR
[04:30]	XRevan86	leah: I've got nothing then :). It's not known for Essex, maybe it's just your personal pronunciation trait.
[04:32]	techrights-news	iophk: COVID-19 was not the first threat; nations' reaction to Microsoft already shows that they won't band together to stave off an external malevolent force; https://futurism.com/the-byte/three-body-problem-author-humankind-unite-hostile-aliens
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[04:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-futurism.com | Three-Body Problem Author No Longer Sure Humankind Would Unite Against Hostile Aliens
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[04:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Three-Body Problem Author No Longer Sure Humankind Would Unite Against Hostile Aliens
[04:32]	activelow	what is the difference to coreboot, besides deleteing .git folders, firmware, and config?
[04:33]	activelow	are any changes from libreboot merged into coreboot?
[04:33]	XRevan86	leah and I: Libreboot is not a fork of coreboot
[04:34]	XRevan86	Meanwhile, activelow: Is Libreboot fork changes being upstreamed?
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[04:36]	activelow	don't know, last time i hacked some amd agesa parts i remained on an older coreboot branch, and wasn't happy with the result finally.
[04:37]	activelow	the build system of coreboot was maintained sufficiently
[04:38]	activelow	am3 kept crashing, and bricking cpus (although below their ratings, probably some hiddon option for any voltage regulator)...
[04:38]	activelow	could rant day and night about this
[04:39]	activelow	thousands of pages, verfied and checked everything - crash, reboot, another crash once or twice, cpu dead
[04:40]	activelow	dumped registers, debugged the spaghetti code and ifdef cascades... i gave up
[04:41]	activelow	btw. documentation of libreboot, almost forgot, it's not trivial, to have that
[04:43]	activelow	leah: in comparison u-boot loader was relatively sane, once DRAM init was liberated and some blob fully replaced with an opensource ATF
[04:43]	activelow	i'll not look back to any x86 for this reason alone
[04:45]	leah	oh, yeah uboot is great
[04:47]	leah	XRevan86: i mask my voice in talks
[04:47]	leah	and also on the phone. for some reason i also do it when talking to americans
[04:47]	leah	if i didn't do that, you wouldn't be able to understand me
[04:49]	leah	anyway
[04:49]	leah	there's no reason libreboot has to only integrate coreboot
[04:49]	leah	and in the future, coreboot might not even be the main focus
[04:49]	activelow	great
[04:49]	leah	it is a boot firmware distribution
[04:50]	leah	it is not intended to be an upstream project either
[04:50]	leah	it's the debian of boot firmware
[04:52]	activelow	i'll not touch any x86(64) with or without libreboot
[04:53]	activelow	and, ironically, what i had seen with coreboot is one reason among others
[04:53]	activelow	amd agesa in particular - no thanks, neither opensource nor closed source
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[05:10]	activelow	seems progress was made with native graphics init on intel, cool
[05:10]	leah	i'm trying to get a dedicated fibre connection
[05:10]	activelow	the 200KiB mrc.bin is *huge*, as a reference a fuzixOS kernel fits into 8KiB;
[05:11]	activelow	i'm trying to avoid to need any fibre connection
[05:14]	activelow	anway, no way to know what the mrc.bin does; as another reference a cortex-m0 atf.bin is 200KiB in size too, and does various things besides dram init; it's not just some static data table in those 200KiB.
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[05:35]	leah	schestowitz: that thing you said the other day about doing git over gemini is interesting. i've been meaning to ask you more about that
[05:35]	leah	activelow: yeah x86 is a dead-end
[05:41]	activelow	most ARM SoC are not free and open either, RISC-V isn't, concerning a fully free and open SoC including hardware description schematics
[05:42]	activelow	and those free hardware SoC designs with sufficient performance almost always can only be deployed to Altera or Xilinx (proprietary hardware)
[05:42]	activelow	z80 and similar with fuzixos is where i arrived at as on option, i couldn't fully review yet
[05:45]	activelow	that's my grievance with FSF, they argue theirs was a distinct concern of "free software", which is a lie
[05:46]	activelow	guix documents and implements some toolchain bootstrapping (gcc) from asm, for x86, and at that front it is dead end too
[05:48]	activelow	even if a fully free mips32 SoC was deployed, at least 32bit, the toolchain bootstrapping remains an open question for this (see guix info pages what they did for x86)
[05:53]	activelow	since FSF does endorse guix (with some very specific things included, the full distro isn't as interersting), i speculate the FSF does know, they are fully aware
[05:56]	activelow	and, the guix info page, mentions gcc-2.95 as a release artifact to create from x86-asm, until today (if it wasn't updated elsewhere)
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[07:00]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #FCC FCC's 'New' Robocall Plan Isn't Particularly New, Won't Seriously Reduce Robocalls https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211005/09214847700/fccs-new-robocall-plan-isnt-particularly-new-wont-seriously-reduce-robocalls.shtml
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[07:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FCC's 'New' Robocall Plan Isn't Particularly New, Won't Seriously Reduce Robocalls | Techdirt
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[07:06]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #deleteFacebook #DoneBeAZucker Bizarre Magistrate Judge Ruling Says That If #Facebook Deletes An Account, It No Longer Needs To Keep Details Private https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210930/07381247665/bizarre-magistrate-judge-ruling-says-that-if-facebook-deletes-account-it-no-longer-needs-to-keep-details-private.shtml
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[07:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bizarre Magistrate Judge Ruling Says That If Facebook Deletes An Account, It No Longer Needs To Keep Details Private | Techdirt
[07:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Bizarre Magistrate Judge Ruling Says That If Facebook Deletes An Account, It No Longer Needs To Keep Details Private | Techdirt
[07:10]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #TX #Texas Pols Shocked To Learn Their Bill Let Gas Companies Off The Hook For Climate Change Preparedness https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210930/07113447664/texas-pols-shocked-to-learn-their-bill-let-gas-companies-off-hook-climate-change-preparedness.shtml
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[07:14]	activelow	sorry, couldn't cool down, this insanity and lies is triggered psychosis
[07:14]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: i don't take any office in temporary +q (silence)
[07:15]	schestowitz-TR	channel mods don't change
[07:16]	schestowitz-TR	unless we start getting spammed
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[07:26]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #Copyright #Copyrights #Locast Shuts Down, As Yet Again A Bad Interpretation Of Copyright Law Makes The World Worse https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210930/14261847669/locast-shuts-down-as-yet-again-bad-interpretation-copyright-law-makes-world-worse.shtml
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[07:27]	activelow	ok, this server got no individual user mode for this. it's just, whenever such insanity hits, this gets anyone sane off-track, mentally.
[07:27]	activelow	this is what they want.
[07:29]	schestowitz-TR	who?
[07:30]	activelow	i think this court case is a political construct, it is proxied. it is a scam.
[07:30]	schestowitz-TR	yes, well...
[07:30]	leah	activelow: the x86 bubble will burst
[07:30]	schestowitz-TR	last month I came to the final conclusion contacting German politicians isn't worth the time
[07:30]	schestowitz-TR	they won't get anything done
[07:30]	schestowitz-TR	they work for lobbyists
[07:31]	leah	schestowitz-TR: further to our conversation about brexit, i decided on a whim to write a blog post about it. not a long one, because i always get bored and only write about 20% of what i want to write
[07:31]	leah	schestowitz-TR: anyway, here: https://vimuser.org/freetrade.html
[07:31]	activelow	not at least the addresses do match, nor did the court follow my demand to clearly identify the legal entities, which is a basic principle, without which any case is void.
[07:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vimuser.org | LeahRowe'sSleeplessRants Free trade
[07:31]	leah	it actually isn't brexit-related, but the subject is briefly mentioned in that article, and the article should hopefully explain to you my views
[07:32]		*schestowitz-TR looks
[07:33]	leah	i wouldn't say i'm rightwing, but i do have libertarian views, and the EU sucks
[07:33]	schestowitz-TR	Council of Ministers -- yes
[07:33]	schestowitz-TR	zoobab talks a lot about these
[07:33]	leah	it's the exact opposite of what i outline in that article
[07:33]	schestowitz-TR	regarding repairs and hadrware changes, psydroid2 knows best
[07:33]	leah	though lately i've been disgusted by our labour party
[07:34]	schestowitz-TR	counterpoint though is, the british authoritires aren't the lesser evil
[07:34]	schestowitz-TR	they're local, but not less evil
[07:34]	leah	yeah they're just as power hungry as the EU
[07:34]	schestowitz-TR	still power-hungry and controlled by the rich
[07:34]	schestowitz-TR	even rich saudis who lob off women's heads in the streets
[07:34]	leah	our conservative party could be so much better. as it currently stands, i wouldn't ever join it. they're evil, and power hungry
[07:35]	leah	but there are people in it who i like
[07:35]	schestowitz-TR	there are ways to limit or restrict their power
[07:35]	schestowitz-TR	empowering media is one
[07:35]	schestowitz-TR	anything bad they do needs to be exposed
[07:35]	leah	Uk and EU both suck
[07:35]	activelow	i feel it is mostly group-dynamics with them, political parties, which resembles psycho sectarian cults
[07:35]	schestowitz-TR	the consolidation of media had led the EPO bribe and blackmail the press
[07:35]	schestowitz-TR	with very obvious evidence of crime, nobody in the press will cover that
[07:36]	activelow	some labels applied, labor this, social that, eco, liberal whatnot, it is shallow marketing to appeal to different target audience only
[07:37]	leah	i think the whole system in the UK needs to be torn down and re-built
[07:37]	schestowitz-TR	the oligachs don't let those things just happent
[07:37]	activelow	here is the trick, for example, "liberal" free market and "socialist" do not contradict each other, it is a complement. free market proponents suck out cash at stock exchange, and socialists seek taxation of it, which depends on each other, and doesn't contradict as they argue.
[07:37]	schestowitz-TR	they might FAKE it happening
[07:37]	schestowitz-TR	like remove another dictator to install another
[07:37]	schestowitz-TR	as happened in the US this past January
[07:38]	leah	government's only job is to efficiently provide public services (healthcare, schools etc) and to provide some kind of dispute mechanism for businesses
[07:38]	leah	but it should get out of people's lives
[07:38]	leah	the purpose of the state basically is to help people and provide the services they need, with good value for money
[07:38]	leah	the one we have in the UK is overbearing. it has too much power
[07:39]	leah	but the EU's is worse
[07:39]	leah	now that we left the EU, we can start to reform the UK
[07:39]	schestowitz-TR	leah: the Tories are, in general, hostile to people like you
[07:39]	schestowitz-TR	both the parties and the voters
[07:39]	leah	yep
[07:39]	schestowitz-TR	this isn't some identity politics partisanship
[07:39]	schestowitz-TR	those are the facts
[07:39]	schestowitz-TR	torygraph
[07:39]	schestowitz-TR	and the magazine whose editor became our Pry Minister
[07:39]	leah	but i've been analyzing my political views in recent years
[07:39]	schestowitz-TR	they incite
[07:40]	leah	and i'm closer to the tories politically. but they are authoritarian, not libertarian.  i have libertarian views
[07:40]	schestowitz-TR	they deflect from the oligarchy
[07:40]	leah	i think all the parties in the UK need to be smashed
[07:40]	leah	build new ones up
[07:40]	schestowitz-TR	instead blaming gays, which isn't fashionable and P-C anymore, so they find another set of groups
[07:40]	leah	that are closer to what peoples ideals are
[07:41]	schestowitz-TR	those existed
[07:41]	schestowitz-TR	media buried them
[07:41]	schestowitz-TR	except maybe RT
[07:41]	schestowitz-TR	but RT has its rogue mission too
[07:41]	schestowitz-TR	you don't want to appear on RT, ever
[07:42]	leah	switzerland
[07:42]	leah	switzerland's political system is very good, and much closer to what i want
[07:42]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[07:43]	schestowitz-TR	remember they didn't let women vote until like the 70s :/
[07:43]	leah	it's very decentralized, extremely democratic, but also highly stable and gives people exactly what they want
[07:43]	schestowitz-TR	which is... weird
[07:43]	schestowitz-TR	they also have compulsory "learn-howt-kill-people" service [sic] 
[07:43]	leah	the past is the past. focus on the present, and on the future
[07:44]	schestowitz-TR	we'll cover switzerland in techrights this week
[07:44]	schestowitz-TR	today we focus on Luxembourg 
[07:44]	leah	nothing is perfect. note how i said: it's closer to what i want
[07:44]	leah	i didn't say it's exactly what i want ;)
[07:45]	leah	schestowitz-TR: remember the harry potter sorting hat analogy that i made?
[07:45]	schestowitz-TR	no
[07:46]	schestowitz-TR	I remember potter something
[07:46]	leah	when the hat tells harry that he'd do well in slitherin (analogous to our conservative party)
[07:46]	leah	but harry goes with his heart and chooses griffindor (analagous to our labour party)
[07:46]	leah	i'm like harry
[07:46]	activelow	many males couldn't vote before either, introduction of a voting system had to begin somewhere somehow, without offending aristocrats too much
[07:46]	leah	i'd probably be in the tory party if i wasn't trans
[07:47]	activelow	modern voting system was introduced rather late, with all voters' voices recognised with equal weight
[07:47]	leah	the legacy of "section 28" permanently puts me off. those same sorts of bigots still run it
[07:48]	leah	what scares me is that there's nothing better, and everyone else is worse
[07:48]	activelow	it's a misnomer women suffrage was an exclusive issue of women, because many males couldn't vote either
[07:49]	leah	the left parties (labour, greens) are much more authoritarian, and end up making everything worse generally, whenever they're in power
[07:49]	activelow	it isn't true only women didn't have any banking account, many males had not either
[07:50]	leah	labour will build hospitals and schools, but try to take over businesses and run them into the ground
[07:51]	activelow	"labour" is a marketing label, similar to distinguishing pepsi from coca cola
[07:51]	activelow	to appeal to target audience, it's shallow
[07:51]	activelow	it's a utility
[07:53]	activelow	are there any greens in UK?
[07:53]	leah	there are
[07:54]	leah	trouble is, our voting system means that the UK is a 2-party state 
[07:54]	leah	it's like the american one
[07:54]	leah	similar
[07:55]	leah	and because of that, we always have a permanently authoritarian state, because politicians know they'll stay in power, or be back in power a few years later
[07:56]	kingoffrance	" free market proponents suck out cash at stock exchange, and socialists seek taxation of it, which depends on each other, and doesn't contradict as they argue."   lol thats not wrong
[07:56]	kingoffrance	once you have national debt, its all.....on mortgage..........
[07:56]	kingoffrance	its all....meaning people as well
[07:57]	leah	btw
[07:57]	kingoffrance	cash used to be specie, so its credit and bonds :)
[07:57]	kingoffrance	again, no contradiction :)
[07:57]	leah	the government and the state are two different things
[07:57]	kingoffrance	you can end "money" and keep "capitalism" going, just redefine "capital"  (this did happen in u.s.a -- see moody "masters of capital" 1920-ish)
[07:58]	kingoffrance	cold hard cash
[07:58]	kingoffrance	it used to be metal
[07:58]	kingoffrance	got redefined :)
[07:58]	kingoffrance	neither cold nor hard anymore :)
[07:58]	leah	the state is a larger apparatus comprosing the judiciary, the military, public/private sector, basically it's the whole package. it's the machine that runs your life, and it's always there
[07:58]	leah	it's also what gives you schools and hospitals
[07:59]	leah	government is more like a driver at the steering wheel, influencing the state
[07:59]	kingoffrance	sorry to interrupt.  you are not wrong activelow :)
[07:59]	leah	but the levers of the state are still there when your government falls, if the state is stable. in western democracies, the state is very stable
[07:59]	leah	sometimes the state is less defined
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[08:02]	leah	we're actively discouraged from thinking about this distinction
[08:02]	leah	because the state is where power is executed
[08:02]	leah	government takes all the blame or credit for everything. but it's all the state
[08:03]	leah	you are often permitted to change your government, but never the state
[08:03]	leah	whenever a state develops, it tends to get violent if challenged
[08:03]	kingoffrance	makes sense, that distinction i mean. machinery versus those running it
[08:04]	leah	it has to be that way, or you will have anarchy
[08:04]	kingoffrance	america tried to say, long time ago, people were the state, there was no separate state, but that doesnt fit modern (see wikipedia) definitoin, state as "juridicial person" which matches your definition
[08:04]	leah	and anarchy is great, but it's a risk
[08:04]	kingoffrance	basically same reason "king" was a "person" (office)
[08:04]	kingoffrance	to allow for perpetual succession
[08:04]	kingoffrance	same as a "corporation"
[08:04]	leah	and it doesn't really last
[08:04]	kingoffrance	all the "persons" "offices"
[08:05]	kingoffrance	like the "state" in your terms
[08:05]	kingoffrance	with people occupying the  different offices/persons  being "government"
[08:05]	kingoffrance	the other way to say that:  "state" (juridicial person) is  ever-shifting shorthand for some particular government
[08:06]	kingoffrance	i mean, that was what ancient america tried to say
[08:06]	kingoffrance	same way "king" is just shorthand for "whoever is king"
[08:06]	kingoffrance	anyhow, agree 100% was same with monarchy
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[08:07]	kingoffrance	its why you get "persons" no matter what
[08:08]	leah	yeah, well i want the state to be decentralized, and democratic
[08:09]	leah	governed collectively
[08:09]	activelow	democracy is misunderstood almost always, as mob rule or dictatorship of any majority, which isn't democracy
[08:10]	leah	the british state is undemocratic. it's actually autocratic, but we get to choose our government: labour party, or conservative party
[08:10]	leah	and other countries have something similar
[08:11]	leah	the problem is that the state is too big. the more power you give someone, the harder they hold onto it
[08:12]	techrights-news	 NEWS #DemocracyNow Until I Am Free: #KeishaBlain on the Enduring Legacy of Voting Rights Pioneer Fannie Lou Hamer https://www.democracynow.org/2021/10/8/fannie_mae
[08:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Until I Am Free: Keisha Blain on the Enduring Legacy of Voting Rights Pioneer Fannie Lou Hamer | Democracy Now!
[08:12]	leah	in fact, you may sometimes hear the term "head of state"
[08:13]	leah	but this kind of position is usually meaningless. the term itself is misleading
[08:13]	leah	damn
[08:14]	leah	now i need to write another blog article
[08:16]	techrights-news	iophk: just as 20+ years ago, #Microsoft was blaming "Linux people" for their security holes https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21720301
[08:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft is again blaming "RUSSIA" for Microsoft's own bugs and back doors. This is typical deflection, wherein Microsoft inflames racism and tensions... for profit. 
[08:16]	kingoffrance	america used to say no separate "state" is how you get that joke:  http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=republic  A nation in which, the thing governing and the thing  governed being the same, there is only a permitted authority to  enforce an optional obedience
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[08:17]	leah	the state is what controls you. and the government controls the state
[08:17]	kingoffrance	and that joke follows: http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=rabble   The rabble is like the sacred  Simurgh, of Arabian fable -- omnipotent on condition that it do  nothing. 
[08:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dict.org- rabble
[08:17]	leah	sometimes, the state can exist without a government
[08:17]	kingoffrance	sorry lol
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[08:18]	activelow	with the system in place, government authority is mostly limited to *propose* legislation to parliament, which debates and decides upon it
[08:20]	activelow	with recent german election of national parliament it wasn't at least possible to distinguish what would be proposed next, except for increased energy prices
[08:21]	activelow	and now this must be sold to the population for whatever good this shall serve
[08:21]	activelow	it was interesting to note Russians are blamed now because of "increasing prices for gas", which is a propaganda lie for all i know
[08:22]	activelow	what increased wasn't the price for gas, it was the reseller surplus and taxation which comes close to 90% of the total costs in europe
[08:23]	leah	actually, europe is a perfect example to demonstrate the concept of a state
[08:24]	leah	the EU didn't exist until the 1992 maastricht treaty that signed it into law, by treaty. it replaced the EC (European Community), which was a loose trade federation
[08:25]	kingoffrance	yes was reading wikipedia, different theories of state.     hegelian "spiritual entity"   and some kind of legalistic/chartered ...which is a fancy way of saying conjured into existence
[08:25]	leah	european commission, council of ministers, court of justice, central bank and others: combined, these form the state that is the united states of europe
[08:25]	kingoffrance	i mean, i put those the same :)
[08:26]	activelow	no, economic coordination existed before (Montanunion, union of coal and steel), 1951
[08:26]	leah	yes
[08:26]	kingoffrance	the general idea is modern state was juridicial person, but still no 100% agreement
[08:26]	kingoffrance	that was just the most popular modern, was how i read it
[08:26]	leah	but it didn't exist before
[08:26]	leah	but now it does
[08:26]	leah	a new state formed
[08:29]	kingoffrance	wikipedia, sovereign state, calls it "documentality" i say its same as "spiritual entity"
[08:30]	kingoffrance	using the paperwork to conjure :)
[08:31]	techrights-news	The #billBC insinuates it "doesn't matter" if #uk is not "Europe's covid hotspot." Remember #bbc takes bribes from an enabler of Jeffrey Epstein, #billgates , so clearly nothing was learned since the BBC's cover-up for Jimmy Savile (until posthumously).
[08:35]	kingoffrance	it exists, because there is documentation claiming it does, you see
[08:35]	kingoffrance	circular definition :)
[08:35]	activelow	i had listened to EU official talks too often, there is little to no respect remaining for this anymore
[08:35]	techrights-news	Patrick Breyer: "Social [control] networks are competing for users attention" - chaos.social https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/107060334397820110 #pbreyer #de #germany
[08:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "Social networks are competing for users attentio" - chaos.social
[08:36]	techrights-news	Glyn Moody: "If You Want To Know Why #Section230 Matters" - Mastodon https://mastodon.social/@glynmoody/107068114778483065 #glynmoody
[08:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Glyn Moody: "If You Want To Know Why Section 230 Matters, Just" - Mastodon
[08:37]	techrights-news	 NEWS #PIA #Surveillance #Privacy From #SurveillanceCapitalism to "Influence Government": Using Microtargeted Ads to "Nudge" People's Everyday Behavior https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/from-surveillance-capitalism-to-influence-government-using-microtargeted-ads-to-nudge-peoples-everyday-behavior/
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[08:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | From Surveillance Capitalism to "Influence Government": Using Microtargeted Ads to "Nudge" People's Everyday Behavior
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[08:38]	activelow	a recent one which pushed beyond limits of agitation and propaganda was EU court claiming absolute authority, almost god like
[08:38]	activelow	when german supreme court investigated ECB decisions, and if these were in compliance with EU *contracts*, which these weren't
[08:39]	activelow	EU court of justice doesn't decide upon contracts, it had to oversee and ensure compliance
[08:39]	techrights-news	: "In our latest newsletter... /e/ ..." - Mastodon https://mastodon.social/@gael/107065139274703798 #gaelduval one of the people I respect a lot. #gnu #linux #freesw
[08:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | : "In our latest newsletter... /e/ is not only a de" - Mastodon
[08:40]	techrights-news	Solne :flan_hacker:: "While I like #flatpak , last release fixing another" - #BSD Network https://bsd.network/@solene/107066672456466131 #solene
[08:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsd.network | Solne :flan_hacker:: "While I like flatpak, last release fixing another" - BSD Network
[08:41]	techrights-news	it was #4opens which is simply #blocking were they needed to go to the #deathcult https://epicyon.libreserver.org/@bob/107067777592394604
[08:42]	activelow	in fact german supreme court didn't claim any authority, it only allowed for investigating compliance with contracts
[08:42]	activelow	which isn't any violation, it is the duty of the court
[08:43]	activelow	if contracts were violated, then these had to be negotiated, and not simply overruled by some mob in ECB headquarter Frankfurt
[08:44]	activelow	and negotiating contracts isn't the duty of EU supreme court either, nor that of ECB, it is the authority of national governments and parliaments and their delegates of EU
[08:47]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Pirate #IPTV Lawsuit Could've Led to Millions in Damages, Judge Says $14,000 https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-iptv-lawsuit-couldve-led-to-millions-in-damages-judge-says-14000-211008/
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[08:47]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-iptv-lawsuit-couldve-led-to-millions-in-damages-judge-says-14000-211008/
[08:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pirate IPTV Lawsuit Could've Led to Millions in Damages, Judge Says $14,000 * TorrentFreak
[08:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Pirate IPTV Lawsuit Could've Led to Millions in Damages, Judge Says $14,000 * TorrentFreak
[08:47]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #VPN Hosting Company Settles Copyright Lawsuit by Blocking Pirate Sites https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-hosting-company-settles-copyright-lawsuit-by-blocking-pirate-sites-211008/
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[08:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VPN Hosting Company Settles Copyright Lawsuit by Blocking Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak
[08:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | VPN Hosting Company Settles Copyright Lawsuit by Blocking Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak
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[08:55]	techrights-news	'Reverse show-off': people who show off about being (pseudo) humble when they're in fact rich or just pretending to be rich. #billgates is one of those sociopaths, predatory profiteers in disguise. Stealing while pretending to be 'humble'... and paying the media to perpetuate this false image.
[08:56]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheNation #activism Lost Horizons https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/lost-horizons/
[08:56]	altlink_48f	 thenation.com is Cloudflare domain.
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[08:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Lost Horizons | The Nation
[08:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Lost Horizons | The Nation
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[09:02]	techrights-news	 NEWS #EFF #FB What the #Facebook #Whistleblower Tells Us About Big Tech https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/10/what-facebook-whistleblower-tells-us-about-big-tech don't say "big tech", @eff ... it's a #Microsoft -made propaganda term: http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
[09:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | What the Facebook Whistleblower Tells Us About Big Tech | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[09:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights
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[09:19]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | After #Whistleblower Revelations, It's Time to Unfriend #Facebook https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/10/08/after-whistleblower-revelations-its-time-unfriend-facebook
[09:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | After Whistleblower Revelations, It's Time to Unfriend Facebook | Amy Goodman
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[09:30]	techrights-news	This week in KDE: Continuous integraaaaaaation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156586 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Continuous integraaaaaaation | Tux Machines
[09:31]	techrights-news	Best Linux Distributions Based on KDE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156587 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Linux Distributions Based on KDE | Tux Machines
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[09:52]	techrights-news	[Meme] It's No #RosaLuxemburg http://techrights.org/2021/10/09/meme-lex-kaufhold/ #Luxembourg #Europe #EPO #patent
[09:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Its No Rosa Luxemburg | Techrights
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[10:41]	leah	i think i just nailed it
[10:41]	leah	i kept trying to do a video the other day, of the chip swap, and kept failing to do a video that didn't suck
[10:42]	leah	this one i think is the one
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[10:58]	DaemonFC	The more I think about it, in Fallout New Vegas, the Mr. House ending should probably be canonical.
[10:59]	DaemonFC	Either House or the player upgrading the securitrons into the army, killing House, and taking over and driving out the NCR and Caesar's Legion.
● Oct 09
[11:01]	DaemonFC	Whether the player kills House and assumes control of a strong and independent Vegas or lets House stay in and run things, it's better than the NCR or Legion endings. The Legion runs on top of a slave army, suppresses technology, and imposes capital punishment for minor offenses, including homosexuality. Humanity would suffer and becomes stagnant under them.
[11:03]	DaemonFC	The New California Republic isn't a slave army, but they do want to conquer everything and expand and tax, and so it would end up being much like the United States, which was the main reason that World War 3 happened in the first place. And it's clear that they have almost no understanding of high techonology stuff at all because they struggle to even turn Hoover Dam or Helios One on. Unless the player intervenes, they can only figure out how 
[11:03]	DaemonFC	to run Hoover Dam at 50% and run Helios One at 1% of potential electric output, because they have some idiot there spouting treknobabble at the government people, who don't even realize he's a fraud.
[11:04]	DaemonFC	If the player does succeed in getting Helios One running for the NCR, the con artist takes all the credit immediately, and most of the power gets routed back to California where it won't help Vegas or the surrounding slums.
[11:07]	DaemonFC	The Mr. House ending is the best, because he has a lot of points. Democracies failed and caused the war and ruined the planet the first time around, and he actually is a genius who saw the war coming and saved Vegas while the government didn't see it until the end and only managed to continue through continuity plans involving becoming the Enclave. House says put him in charge and he'll reignite the technology sector and get people back to 
[11:07]	DaemonFC	modern life in 20 years, and colonizing other worlds in 100.
[11:09]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, It's just bizarre how science fiction timelines of the 21st century predicted something similar to what's going on now.
[11:10]	DaemonFC	The failures of western democracies. The economic problems. The rise of anti-democratic forces and the threat of a third world war.
[11:10]	DaemonFC	I think it's clear at this point we're looking at another cold war at best.
[11:11]	DaemonFC	Hoping it doesn't turn into a shooting war.
[11:11]	activelow	DaemonFC: energy prices. gas prices exploded in europe.
[11:12]	DaemonFC	I don't think that the US is in any sort of a position to intervene like it did in the second world war.
[11:12]	DaemonFC	At best, it can defend its own territory with the threat of a devastating nuclear attack if invaded.
[11:12]	DaemonFC	activelow, Yes, natural gas is getting very expensive here.
[11:13]	DaemonFC	They're saying if your home uses it for heat, your energy bill this winter will be godawful.
[11:13]	activelow	DaemonFC: i'll not turn on heating, and keep shower output at lowest output
[11:13]	DaemonFC	Anyway, the US and the UK blew the wad on the middle east and enabled the rise of China with these damned trade policies that made us pushovers.
[11:14]	DaemonFC	So we're too weak to fight now.
[11:14]	DaemonFC	Especially given that we'd be up against a fairly modern military as soon as China wants to start rolling over the borders with the surrounding nations and annexing them.
[11:16]	DaemonFC	<activelow> DaemonFC: i'll not turn on heating, and keep shower output at lowest output
[11:16]	DaemonFC	Yeah, we usually just keep it high enough that the pipes don't burst and layer up.
[11:17]	activelow	the knob is set to freezing protection of cause
[11:17]	DaemonFC	https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/minor-update-4-3/
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[11:18]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Vivaldi had to bump the release again because they accidentally left a Google tracker on that they meant to disable.
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[11:19]	DaemonFC	So they rolled a newer Chomium and fixed some other issues while they were at it.
[11:21]	DaemonFC	activelow, I sent our new lease back to the landlord with the increased rent starting next month.
[11:21]	DaemonFC	I'm just glad ours didn't go up more than it did.
[11:22]	DaemonFC	The only thing keeping it down, amusingly, is all of the violent crime and taxes caused by the Democrat Party and their patronage army voters of felon convicts and state "workers".
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[11:23]	DaemonFC	With a few mjg59_'s thrown in for good measure. Hate their own race. Internalized guilt.
[11:23]	activelow	pardon?
[11:23]	DaemonFC	It's a phenomenon called White Guilt.
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[11:24]	DaemonFC	Some people feel "guilty" for being white and feel like it's their job to make up for every problem ever caused by "the collective" of white people at any point in history.
[11:25]	DaemonFC	In Germany, I think there's this attitude of "collective guilt" over the Holocaust. Every time some of your politicians want to do something nasty that will hurt you, they bring up Hitler and the Nazis, right?
[11:26]	DaemonFC	Like, we have to let all of these people from shithole countries in to ruin Germany. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi, right!?
[11:26]	DaemonFC	We have the same problem here.
[11:26]	DaemonFC	People saying we owe it to all of those Haitians to let them all in to bring in more crime and disease and live off welfare programs. 
[11:27]	DaemonFC	"You remember that time 160 years ago when there was slavery! You wouldn't want to be like that!"
[11:27]	activelow	pardon again.
[11:28]	activelow	my complaint is government lying about official data reported, first and foremost.
[11:28]	DaemonFC	"You're part of the collective who caused that mess, even though you weren't born for another 119 years!"
[11:28]	DaemonFC	"You're white! White = bad!" - mjg59_ 
[11:28]	DaemonFC	<activelow> my complaint is government lying about official data reported, first and foremost.
[11:28]	DaemonFC	Every government does that.
[11:29]	DaemonFC	The one in China says they've never had a serious problem with COVID and that people stopped dying off it months in because the Communist Party took care of it. The end.
[11:30]	DaemonFC	Even if anyone in China, who has to live under constant propaganda, thinks otherwise, they'll have the cops at their front door if they start saying anything against the narrative.
[11:31]	DaemonFC	You're doing well these days to live under a government that doesn't make it a criminal offense to disagree openly with their propaganda.
[11:31]	DaemonFC	But in America, we've outsourced the punishment to the private sector.
[11:32]	DaemonFC	Won't get a COVID shot because reasons? You don't get a kidney transplant or a job.
[11:32]	DaemonFC	Have opinions that some lefty troll in the hiring department doesn't like? No job.
[11:32]	activelow	^
[11:33]	activelow	first and foremost facts, this is what i have. and what i haven't.
[11:33]	DaemonFC	You're playing with fire with those government courts.
[11:33]	DaemonFC	Believe me, I know.
[11:33]	activelow	and no, i am not glad to live in germany, had not been in 20years.
[11:33]	activelow	this is not my country anymore.
[11:33]	DaemonFC	If the government does allow you to sue it, you're still suing the government on their turf.
[11:34]	activelow	depends, btw. almost always it isn't all equally affected by opression and corruption. in fact a majority can benefit from it.
[11:34]	DaemonFC	Even if it does allow you to file a claim it will either be decided by a government agent (the judge) or a jury which has been contaminated and brainwashed by the government.
[11:35]	DaemonFC	Into a bunch of simpletons with a slate of opinions given to them by CNN or Fox News.
[11:35]	activelow	i think, germany is politically and socially bancrupt, not economically. this is the weird contradiction. and a promise wealth grows regardless.
[11:36]	DaemonFC	They make their own citizens destitute and jobless so they can bring in a bunch of uncivilized third world garbage that we don't need from, like, Haiti.
[11:36]	DaemonFC	Then they say it's atonement for racial guilt for being white.
[11:37]	DaemonFC	If they would stop killing and robbing and raping _each other_ in Haiti and focus on building their own goddamned country up, they wouldn't need our welfare system, which we are absolutely not obligated to give them.
[11:37]	activelow	the frontlines of the culture war are more complicated than "whiteness", such as, reminder, language spoken in gemany is... german.
[11:38]	DaemonFC	Oh these people have no intention of learning English.
[11:38]	activelow	and german politicians giving speeches in EU parliament, in english language, or french.
[11:38]	DaemonFC	They demand translators and government forms in their own language, at our expense as well.
[11:38]	activelow	rarely had i noticed any french or spanish or english politician had ever given a speech in german language, in EU parliament.
[11:39]	DaemonFC	<activelow> and german politicians giving speeches in EU parliament, in english language, or french.
[11:39]	activelow	*holding
[11:39]	DaemonFC	Well, in context that may or may not be a problem.
[11:41]	DaemonFC	I just don't like the idea of people showing up pn my front door wanting in when there's nothing out of the ordinary going on in their own country.
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[11:41]	DaemonFC	No imminent danger if they live there.
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[11:42]	DaemonFC	What's going on with Haiti and these migrant caravans is an outrage.
[11:42]	DaemonFC	We ought to just put them all on a cruise ship and send them back.
[11:42]	DaemonFC	Take over one of those cruise ships that can fit a bunch of them and do it all in a few runs.
[11:43]	DaemonFC	Those immigration detention centers that are packed, well, that's their own fault.
[11:43]	DaemonFC	You come into my country illegally and then complain when you get arrested and don't get to say when they get around to you. You know, and they could sign a form promising they won't come back and just be deported the next day.
[11:43]	DaemonFC	So they can leave and go back into Mexico any time they want.
[11:44]	DaemonFC	They choose to be detained.
[11:44]	DaemonFC	Then I'm supposed to feel bad.
[11:44]	activelow	i cannot comment on US politics concerning this. and eu politics were cynical to say the least.
[11:45]	activelow	first agitating for "immigration" to compensate for pension fund deficiencies and workforce.
[11:45]	DaemonFC	The people they want to bring in didn't build anything in their own country.
[11:45]	DaemonFC	Now they promise that they'll fund your pensions and perform work in Germany.
[11:45]	DaemonFC	Same thing happening here.
[11:46]	activelow	even if, first and foremost government is lying about the data.
[11:46]	DaemonFC	We're talking about people, who, in their own country, relied on volunteers from places like the US, UK, and Canada, to go build houses and flush toilets for them while they stood there and watched.
[11:46]	DaemonFC	Left to their own devices, in places like South Africa, they literally just dig a hole and shit in the hole.
[11:46]	activelow	the argument is at least somewhat plausible, however evident fact is this pension funds are deficient, and population size increased, it did not decrease, never did, in total.
[11:47]	DaemonFC	Many don't have plumbing and never will, unless engineers from civilized places go build it.
[11:47]	activelow	even worse, east-german youth was lured into west often, for digestion in the meat grinder there.
[11:47]	DaemonFC	The black government took over SA and can't actually do anything.
[11:47]	activelow	migration and economic policies in Germany/Eu were excessive beyond imagination to refuel one economic boom after the next one.
[11:47]	DaemonFC	They don't know how and they've locked out the white people who had built things up so they can't even feed the country or keep the lights on or educate the next generation.
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[11:48]	activelow	not at least estimating required housing in the cities, nor organizing anything to settle inhabitants and plan cities and economic structures.
[11:48]	DaemonFC	They're such anti-white racists that they won't even allow the ones who know how everything works educate black people to take things over!
[11:49]	DaemonFC	So you end up with this shit going on where they seize a farm from whites and then the Speaker of their legislature has a farm full of dead farm animals and goes "Welp, I'm learning!!! Herp derp!".
[11:50]	DaemonFC	So you now have white people as an underclass there, drinking themselves to death. Can't get a good job. The older ones who can do things and make stuff work are locked out of employment and can't teach their skill.
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[11:50]	DaemonFC	So it's reverting into a third world country.
[11:50]	DaemonFC	This is what happens to people who go looking for revenge.
[11:51]	DaemonFC	They want it so bad they'll shoot themselves in the foot to get it.
[11:52]	DaemonFC	What's happening in South Africa will eventually happen in the US too if you give the Democrats a chance.
[11:52]	DaemonFC	Black people are taught helplessness and reliance upon the state by the Democrats.
[11:52]	activelow	i am not in the position to comment on US politics
[11:52]	DaemonFC	So they're <14% of the population but 96% of them vote Democrat.
[11:53]	activelow	however, some certain "ideals" of anglo-american academia are imposed onto germany
[11:53]	DaemonFC	So the last thing the party wants is black people getting ahead without the government handouts. So they keep them down to ensure the votes come in.
[11:53]	activelow	problem being, as i tried to explain, anglo-american academica couldn't imagine at least it is germang language spoken here, not english
[11:54]	DaemonFC	My point is that instead of solving problems, they create more.
[11:54]	DaemonFC	They want people to be dependent on the welfare checks coming in each month so they can't get rid of The Party.
[11:55]	activelow	academia
[11:55]	DaemonFC	They want people to have to pay high taxes and then beg for it back as welfare payments so they can't ever get ahead and need The Party.
[11:56]	DaemonFC	The Republicans, I can at least kind of agree with on their tax policy.
[11:56]	DaemonFC	"You want to do better? Here's some low taxes. Don't call us."
[11:56]	DaemonFC	The low taxes benefit the black people, who work.
[11:56]	DaemonFC	You go to work, you pay half as much taxes. You're better off.
[11:57]	DaemonFC	People earning money from crime and welfare don't pay taxes, so it doesn't help them.
[11:57]	activelow	i estimate the worth of my work and income by purchasing power, which is practically absent
[11:58]	DaemonFC	Yes, they take it from you as inflation and taxes, to give it to people who do nothing, or worse, commit crimes.
[11:58]	activelow	if income sufficed for house,garden,family,... i didn't bother with any taxes if it was 90% 
[11:58]	DaemonFC	Or produce children who will have nothing, so the problem grows exponentially.
[11:59]	activelow	got no children
[11:59]	activelow	wouldn't trust neither the state nor economy nor myself, to remain long-term reliable
[11:59]	DaemonFC	Giving these moochers money every month and ignoring their crimes against the state is like being told you have lunch cancer, so instead of cutting out the cancer, you smoke another pack per day.
[11:59]	DaemonFC	*lung
[11:59]	DaemonFC	*autocorrect fail :P
● Oct 09
[12:00]	activelow	yes, i do smoke
[12:00]	DaemonFC	I think that the government should have a policy. "You contribute and the rewards are immense. You commit crime, the punishments are immense.".
[12:01]	DaemonFC	It makes too much sense, I know.
[12:01]	activelow	compliance with any law and moral standards would be a good start
[12:09]	DaemonFC	As long as there's nothing to gain by following the law, they won't.
[12:09]	DaemonFC	They got Kim Foxx in as the Prosecutor in Chicago and now they can do anything they want.
[12:10]	DaemonFC	That's why crime is surging off the charts. As bas as it's been since the 1970s.
[12:10]	DaemonFC	It goes almost completely unpunished in Chicago, but only for black and brown people.
[12:10]	XRevan86	leah: Mask the voice? What do ye mean by that?
[12:10]	DaemonFC	Charges just magically get droppes, nobody wants to hold them on bail.
[12:10]	DaemonFC	*dropped
[12:12]	DaemonFC	The Democrats are the party of crime and mayhem.
[12:12]	DaemonFC	Because all of the violence and abortion.
[12:12]	DaemonFC	And 2/3rds of them back forever wars too!
[12:13]	DaemonFC	They're no damned good. Neither party is any damned good. They promise the moon and the stars and then they get in and nothing happens.
[12:14]	DaemonFC	The decisions on how everything important will play out are already made. The election doesn't really change anything except who the rotten bastards who get our money for being cronies are.
[12:15]	DaemonFC	The Democrats in Illinois expanded abortion to public Medicaid and state employee insurance plans. 
[12:15]	DaemonFC	So it makes every Illinois taxpayer an accomplice to murder.
[12:16]	DaemonFC	Every time you pay tax, some of that is going to help people murder a helpless person, and then instead of being charged with murder, the Democrats tell the murderer how "brave" she is, because she had to walk past some people picketing the abortion clinic.
[12:16]		*activelow shakes head
[12:17]	DaemonFC	I've always been pretty uncomfortable with the whole idea of abortion.
[12:17]	DaemonFC	If I find out someone has had one, I won't even talk to them.
[12:18]	DaemonFC	It takes a pretty depraved person to even strongly consider this as an option.
[12:19]	DaemonFC	With the exception being extreme circumstance. Like, you'll die without one or there's something seriously wrong with the fetus.
[12:20]	DaemonFC	I just don't know if I have it in me to support either major party anymore.
[12:20]	DaemonFC	They've both made a complete mess of things. It's a slightly different mess, but it's a mess.
[12:21]	DaemonFC	activelow, At least here, if the minor parties actually won anything, I think things would change. But there's no chance of that happening.
[12:22]	DaemonFC	Still, I'll probably change my party affiliation to the Libertarian Party.
[12:22]	DaemonFC	Maybe it's the best we could hope for. Non-interference except to enforce public safety and national defense.
[12:22]	activelow	whatever you want DaemonFC, abortions are done
[12:22]	DaemonFC	Yeah, unfortunately they are.
[12:23]	DaemonFC	The Supreme Court made up Roe out of whole cloth.
[12:23]	DaemonFC	There's no legal basis for that decision. It was wrong and illegal then, and hopefully that will be reversed very soon.
[12:24]	DaemonFC	And the left is panicking because they know it was never based on any right even implied by the constitution.
[12:24]	DaemonFC	The constitution implies you have a right to privacy. Okay, so?
[12:24]	DaemonFC	You have a right to privacy. That doesn't mean we strike down laws against murder.
[12:25]	DaemonFC	It's illegal for me to garrote you in private.
[12:26]	DaemonFC	Actually, all reversing Roe would do is kick it back to the states.
[12:26]	DaemonFC	States could make murder legal if they wanted to. None of them will, but they could.
[12:26]	DaemonFC	Murder being how it's classified now, I mean.
[12:27]	DaemonFC	Killing someone isn't always "murder" in the legal definitions.
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[12:28]	DaemonFC	The decision to allow same-sex marriage is more complicated. While we can say that decision is rooted in the constitution because it expands a right, and it expands a right that other citizens had, the decision to force states to allow abortion takes away a right.
[12:28]	DaemonFC	We recognize that I, for example, have a legal right to not be murdered.
[12:28]	DaemonFC	But if I was a fetus and my mother decided to do so, there's no such right. No protection. This is horrible.
[12:29]	DaemonFC	<activelow> whatever you want DaemonFC, abortions are done
[12:30]	DaemonFC	Probably always will be, because people who want to sabotage the law figure out some method.
[12:30]	DaemonFC	But taxpayers shouldn't have to support it.
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[12:30]	DaemonFC	And I think it's an issue for the states.
[12:30]	DaemonFC	It's not a federal issue.
[12:30]	activelow	what taxpayers support is consultation of a medic and some mental care and similar, in germany
[12:30]	activelow	advertising abortions is illegal
[12:31]	activelow	what are you trying to explain DaemonFC ?
[12:31]	DaemonFC	People don't focus on their state legislature because they figure they won some court battle a long time ago.
[12:32]	activelow	which people, which court battle?
[12:32]	DaemonFC	If abortion being legal is important to women in Texas, they need to focus on their legislature. They need to get those people who banned it out of the legislature.
[12:32]	DaemonFC	If they can do that via a democratic process, then so be it.
[12:32]	DaemonFC	But they made an end run around community morals and went to the Supreme Court.
[12:32]	DaemonFC	And it's not even that I have a big problem with.
[12:33]	activelow	abortions can only be excempt from penal code, this is the explanation i heard of
[12:33]	DaemonFC	If the state is actually doing something the constitution at least implies it can't do, then you should sue it.
[12:33]	DaemonFC	But there is nothing in our federal cosntitution that says you have a right to an abortion.
[12:33]	DaemonFC	Or even implies such.
[12:33]	DaemonFC	You don't like who's in there, vote them out! -Willie Nelson
[12:34]	DaemonFC	The Republicans in Texas could be sorry they even started down this path.
[12:34]	DaemonFC	Had they left things alone, they wouldn't be facing blowback from motivated groups, and now they might.
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[12:40]	techrights-news	Excellent Free Tutorials to Learn #OpenMP - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/excellent-free-tutorials-learn-openmp/ #LinuxLinks #programming
[12:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Excellent Free Tutorials to Learn OpenMP - LinuxLinks
[12:46]	techrights-news	Incredible that #IBM published such an article about viciously defaming and attacking RMS, who founded the whole movement https://opensource.com/article/21/10/disagreement-open-source see http://techrights.org/2021/04/03/fedora-f-for-fascism-and-not-freedom/
[12:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How disagreement creates unity in open source | Opensource.com
[12:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fedora Council is Just a Mouthpiece and Instrument of IBM Management, It Doesnt Speak For (What Used to Be) Fedora Project/Community | Techrights
[12:49]	techrights-news	#Flatpak 1.12 improves Steam support and fixes a serious vulnerability http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156561#comment-31303
[12:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Flatpak 1.12 Released with Better Support for the Steam Linux Runtime Mechanism, More | Tux Machines
[12:50]	techrights-news	Jon Chiappetta: Times Cover Page -!- I Think Its About Time https://fossjon.wordpress.com/2021/10/08/times-cover-page-i-think-its-about-time/ #deleteFacebook #FB #facebook (remember Time also make this scrawny little sociopath person of the year instead of #assange more than a decade ago)
[12:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossjon.wordpress.com | Times Cover Page -!- I Think Its About Time Jon's FOSS Blog
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[13:02]	techrights-news	 #IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 08, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/10/09/irc-log-081021/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/09/irc-log-081021/
[13:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 08, 2021 | Techrights
[13:04]	techrights-news	As we shall see tonight, Luxembourgs #LexKaufhold was among the enablers of Benot #Battistelli and the #EPO s liberticidal new mission, neglecting EPO workers from Luxembourg as if their rights dont matter http://techrights.org/2021/10/09/meme-lex-kaufhold/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/09/meme-lex-kaufhold/
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[13:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Its No Rosa Luxemburg | Techrights
[13:05]	techrights-news	#KDEItinerary @ ITS City Hack Hamburg 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156588 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Itinerary @ ITS City Hack Hamburg 2021 | Tux Machines
[13:08]	techrights-news	"...fulfilling a long community request." https://www.mmorpg.com/news/early-access-crpg-black-geyser-adds-mac-and-linux-support-2000123293 Some also say that about 'anti-cheating'. For #drm in #linux I guess... or a rootkit.
[13:08]	altlink_48f	 mmorpg.com is Cloudflare domain.
[13:08]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.mmorpg.com/news/early-access-crpg-black-geyser-adds-mac-and-linux-support-2000123293
[13:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Early Access CRPG Black Geyser Adds Mac And Linux Support | MMORPG.com
[13:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Early Access CRPG Black Geyser Adds Mac And Linux Support | MMORPG.com
[13:12]	techrights-news	The 8 best opensource collaboration software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156589 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The 8 best opensource collaboration software | Tux Machines
[13:13]	techrights-news	For those of us who don't do "APPS" or "CrAPPLE" this does not matter. https://liliputing.com/2021/10/apple-appeals-the-epic-games-ruling-asks-for-stay-on-order-to-open-up-the-app-store-a-little.html
[13:13]	altlink_48f	 liliputing.com is Cloudflare domain.
[13:13]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://liliputing.com/2021/10/apple-appeals-the-epic-games-ruling-asks-for-stay-on-order-to-open-up-the-app-store-a-little.html
[13:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple appeals the Epic Games ruling, asks for stay on order to (sightly) loosen App Store restrictions - Liliputing
[13:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Apple appeals the Epic Games ruling, asks for stay on order to (sightly) loosen App Store restrictions - Liliputing
[13:13]	DaemonFC	The GNOME Authenticator app in Debian is broken. Can't scan QR codes.
[13:14]	DaemonFC	Trying to get the version from Flatpak now.
[13:14]	techrights-news	"Earlier this year, I joined #Collabora as an intern to work on improving testing in #libcamera and automating it through #KernelCI . Having recently completed the internship, here's a look back at this experience and what was accomplished." https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2021/10/08/improving-test-coverage-for-cameras/
[13:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collabora.com | Improving test coverage for cameras in KernelCI
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[13:18]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.60   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 29.65 swarm size (avg): 258.20  
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[13:18]	techrights-news	Kodi 19.2 Improves Xbox Support and Support for Devices Running Old Android Versions http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156590 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kodi 19.2 Improves Xbox Support and Support for Devices Running Old Android Versions | Tux Machines
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[13:25]	techrights-news	Even things that are NOT #clowncomputing as being spun as clown https://www.noobslab.com/2021/10/5-reasons-why-makes-sense-move-to-bare-metal-cloud-infrastructure.html
[13:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-5 Reasons Why It Makes Sense to Move to Bare-Metal Cloud Infrastructure - NoobsLab | Eye on Digital World
[13:29]	techrights-news	8 Best Open Source Library Management Software in 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156591 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 Best Open Source Library Management Software in 2021 | Tux Machines
[13:29]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156592 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[13:30]	techrights-news	#intel is doomed when small machines like these can do so much and run on standard batteries https://hackaday.com/2021/10/08/minitel-terminal-becomes-mini-laptop/
[13:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Minitel Terminal Becomes Mini Laptop | Hackaday
[13:32]	techrights-news	Apache Releases HTTP Server version 2.4.51 to Address Vulnerabilities Under Exploitation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156505#comment-31305
[13:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Patches, Reproducible Builds, and More | Tux Machines
[13:33]	DaemonFC	https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/detroit-man-accused-of-brutal-and-unprovoked-attack-on-employer-because-he-thought-he-was-underpaid
[13:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fox32chicago.com | Detroit man accused of 'brutal and unprovoked attack' on employer because he thought he was underpaid
[13:33]	techrights-news	"A large strawberry squid, one of three caught on the last trawl of the Deep-See cruise. Photo: NOAA Fisheries" https://blizzardofjj.tumblr.com/post/662662797804568577/a-large-strawberry-squid-one-of-three-caught-on
[13:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blizzardofjj.tumblr.com | Blog
[13:33]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: maybe he was underpaid
[13:33]	schestowitz-TR	and even if he was...
[13:34]	schestowitz-TR	this shows a rotting society
[13:34]	schestowitz-TR	because if there was an error, it could be corrected
[13:34]	DaemonFC	Look at his criminal record.
[13:34]	DaemonFC	It's on the bottom of the page.
[13:34]	DaemonFC	Three different states. Arizona, Illinois, and Michigan.
[13:34]	DaemonFC	Multiple outstanding warrants.
[13:35]	DaemonFC	Convictions on assault with great bodily harm and domestic violence.
[13:35]	techrights-news	Remember when #ibm actually did something? Other than dying? https://hackaday.com/2021/10/08/model-f-keyboard-restoration-goes-the-extra-mile/
[13:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Model F Keyboard Restoration Goes The Extra Mile | Hackaday
[13:35]	DaemonFC	Didn't even show up to answer for three traffic offenses in Highland Park, IL.
[13:37]	techrights-news	Blues Wireless Swan board adds castellated holes to #Adafruit Feather form factor - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/08/blues-wireless-swan-board-adds-castellated-holes-to-adafruit-feather-form-factor/
[13:37]	altlink_48f	 cnx-software.com is Cloudflare domain.
[13:37]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/08/blues-wireless-swan-board-adds-castellated-holes-to-adafruit-feather-form-factor/
[13:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Blues Wireless Swan board adds castellated holes to Adafruit Feather form factor - CNX Software
[13:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Blues Wireless Swan board adds castellated holes to Adafruit Feather form factor - CNX Software
[13:37]	DaemonFC	Traffic court is like any other court except that when you send in the ticket, you're making a plea instead of going to the court date on the ticket and doing it then. It saves you from having to show up twice.
[13:37]	techrights-news	#IonoRP - An industrial PLC with a Raspberry Pi RP2040 MCU - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/09/iono-rp-industrial-plc-with-a-raspberry-pi-rp2040-mcu/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware
[13:37]	altlink_48f	 cnx-software.com is Cloudflare domain.
[13:37]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/09/iono-rp-industrial-plc-with-a-raspberry-pi-rp2040-mcu/
[13:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Iono RP - An industrial PLC with a Raspberry Pi RP2040 MCU - CNX Software
[13:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Iono RP - An industrial PLC with a Raspberry Pi RP2040 MCU - CNX Software
[13:38]	DaemonFC	If you never answer, they can issue a bench warrant, but if you were arraigned and skip the trial, they just find you guilty.
[13:38]	DaemonFC	So many people just never answer the ticket and end up with a warrant, and can be arrested at any time over a petty offense. It's dumb.
[13:39]	DaemonFC	Then you risk being in jail for a weekend until they can haul you in front of the judge on Monday. :)
[13:40]	techrights-news	"[Nicolas] specializes in DIY musical instruments, made mostly with PVC tubes and salvaged parts from commercial instruments, so the solution to his problem was completely in his hands." https://hackaday.com/2021/10/08/hacked-set-of-instruments-saves-musicians-gigs/
[13:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hacked Set Of Instruments Saves Musicians Gigs | Hackaday
[13:40]	DaemonFC	No thinking person would want to risk 36 hours in jail on a ticket they'll most likely end up having to pay.
[13:41]	DaemonFC	Then it gets better still.
[13:41]	techrights-news	#Kubernetes Blog: Introducing ClusterClass and Managed Topologies in Cluster API https://kubernetes.io/blog/2021/10/08/capi-clusterclass-and-managed-topologies/
[13:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kubernetes.io | Introducing ClusterClass and Managed Topologies in Cluster API | Kubernetes
[13:42]	DaemonFC	So you were in jail on the traffic warrant, then you go in front of a judge in shackles and a jail jumpsuit. He convicts you on the ticket, and then says you used the jail and have to pay for that too.
[13:43]	techrights-news	Video Editing with Linux: Tips and Tricks to Manage Kdenlives Settings, Files and More. https://puri.sm/posts/video-editing-with-linux-tips-and-ticks-to-manage-kdenlives-settings-files-and-more/ #Kdenlive #KDE #gnu #linux #freesw
[13:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Video Editing with Linux: Tips and Tricks to Manage Kdenlives Settings, Files and More. Purism
[13:43]	DaemonFC	Oh yes, they like to force you to pay for the cost of the police that beat you up, and your stay at the county jail.
[13:45]	techrights-news	"The #Arduino programmable fingerprint sensor is equipped with Fingerprints FPC BM-Lite fingerprint capacitive biometric sensor thats much more compact and power-efficient than traditional optical fingerprint sensors." https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/08/chhavi-esp32-fingerprint-sensor-nfc-battery/
[13:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Chhavi - An ESP32-based fingerprint sensor with optional NFC, battery (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
[13:45]	altlink_48f	 cnx-software.com is Cloudflare domain.
[13:45]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/08/chhavi-esp32-fingerprint-sensor-nfc-battery/
[13:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Chhavi - An ESP32-based fingerprint sensor with optional NFC, battery (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
[13:50]	techrights-news	Some of the waste associated with green(washing) tech https://hackaday.com/2021/10/08/can-we-repurpose-old-wind-turbine-blades/
[13:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Can We Repurpose Old Wind Turbine Blades? | Hackaday
[13:50]	DaemonFC	I always thought that was sort of funny.
[13:50]	DaemonFC	They always had the choice not to bother you, but why do that when they can bother you and then make you pay them for that too.
[13:52]	techrights-news	How about using a drawer? Would take up less plastic... https://hackaday.com/2021/10/08/3d-printed-preschooler-proof-mp3-player-takes-a-beat-ing/
[13:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-3D Printed Preschooler Proof MP3 Player Takes A Beat-ing | Hackaday
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[13:55]	techrights-news	com
[13:56]	techrights-news	#ibm #redhat is #openwashing a #patent #cartel associated with 5G in "Open5G" https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/bharti-airtel-cto-5g-is-a-tough-use-case/2021/10/
[13:56]	altlink_48f	 sdxcentral.com is Cloudflare domain.
[13:56]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/bharti-airtel-cto-5g-is-a-tough-use-case/2021/10/
[13:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bharti Airtel CTO: 5G Is a Tough Use Case - SDxCentral
[13:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Bharti Airtel CTO: 5G Is a Tough Use Case - SDxCentral
[13:56]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, My guess is that part of the reason the government mandates blind spot detection and adaptive cruise control now is it wants all of these cars on the highway putting out radar signals.
[13:57]	DaemonFC	So that it will confuse your radar detector and have it go off constantly.
[13:57]	techrights-news	What #ibm #rehat means when it speaks of "open" 5G... it runs IBM vendor lock-in somewhere at the back end: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/vodafoneziggo-calls-red-hat-help-power-5g-and-it-application-innovation
[13:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | VodafoneZiggo Calls on Red Hat to Help Power 5G and IT Application Innovation
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: cars are hostile now
[13:58]	schestowitz-TR	too much tracking
[13:59]	DaemonFC	Humorously, it affects people like me the least because we're always driving some old piece of junk that didn't have it, or has less of it.
[13:59]	DaemonFC	https://www.fox32chicago.com
[13:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fox32chicago.com | FOX 32 Chicago
● Oct 09
[14:00]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Speaking of rotting society, billionaire governor "Prickster" says Chicago is "on the verge" of an emergency in violent crime.
[14:00]	techrights-news	Hacking on #kernel for #easyOS https://bkhome.org/news/202110/powerapplet-tray-fixed-for-recent-kernels.html #linux
[14:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | powerapplet-tray fixed for recent kernels
[14:00]	DaemonFC	More dangerous than Iraq during the height of the WAR.
[14:00]	DaemonFC	And we're "on the verge" of an emergency....
[14:00]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: we're moving astray off topic
[14:01]	DaemonFC	Between him and Mayor Beetlejuice and Kim Foxx dropping all of the felonies and signaling they can do whatever they want, I wonder how that happened.
[14:01]	DaemonFC	Violent crime tripled since Foxx and Lightfoot got in.
[14:01]	DaemonFC	This year will be the worst violent crime stats since 1978!
[14:01]	techrights-news	Dirk Eddelbuettel needs to #deletegithub and not do banking through #proprietarySoftware and #microsoft http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/10/08#corels_0.0.3
[14:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com | Thinking inside the box
[14:02]	DaemonFC	People turned the city over to a black mayor and a black prosecutor just for no other reason than their race. No thinking about qualifications or anything.
[14:02]	DaemonFC	And they managed to install a couple of gibbering vegetables and now the city is paralyzed by crime.
[14:04]	DaemonFC	I will never live there again unless someone manages to bring this back under control, and even then you never know. Administrations change. People get used to lower crime and not having trash all over the fucking place, and they think what's the harm in voting for people like Lightfoot, and then it happens again.
[14:04]	techrights-news	"And theres more: Thorsten Behrens from The Document Foundations Board of Directors is on the jury" https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/10/08/youth-hacking-4-freedom-from-the-free-software-foundation-europe/ counterpoint: https://danielpocock.com/google-fsfe-child-labor/ #documentfoundation #fsfe
[14:05]	DaemonFC	Societal rot is letting things like this happen.
[14:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Youth Hacking 4 Freedom from the Free Software Foundation Europe - The Document Foundation Blog
[14:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfellowship.eu | Google, FSFE & Child labor
[14:05]	DaemonFC	During those "Mexican Independence Day" celebrations in Waukegan where they were throwing their garbage into the street while the cops just watched and did nothing...
[14:05]	DaemonFC	They could have done littering citations. That's $1,000 fine and go pick up litter for 80 hours or something, you know.
[14:06]	techrights-news	Perl Weekly Challenge 133: Integer Square Roots and Smith Numbers http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2021/10/perl-weekly-challenge-133-integer-square-roots-and-smith-numbers.html #perl #programming
[14:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Perl Weekly Challenge 133: Integer Square Roots and Smith Numbers | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
[14:06]	techrights-news	#KDE Frameworks 5.87 Makes Plasma Discover Faster, Improves Support for Kirigami Apps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156593 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.87 Makes Plasma Discover Faster, Improves Support for Kirigami Apps | Tux Machines
[14:06]	DaemonFC	No, they just back and watch because it's not politically correct to enforce the law because it's a Mexican Independence Day thing.
[14:06]	DaemonFC	Now if white people got together and trashed the place and had Trump flags flying from SUVs, there'd be tickets flying all over the place.
[14:07]	DaemonFC	Unlicensed parade, littering, disorderly conduct. That's why it doesn't happen.
[14:07]	DaemonFC	That's what you get with a lefty government.
[14:09]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Now people say they're being audited by the IRS, which is claiming their Stimulus Checks were taxable income.
[14:09]	techrights-news	FSFE has the audacity to profit from the 4 freedoms whose pioneer it has been slandering https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20211008-01.en.html
[14:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | Learn about Free Software in the Legal Context with FSFE's Legal Education Day - FSFE
[14:09]	DaemonFC	Even though the law says they were not taxable income, they were "credits".
[14:09]	DaemonFC	Election's over. Time to pay for Biden's Green New Deal.....it goes something something everyone on food stamps.
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[14:18]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I don't know how I feel about open source tax software.
[14:18]	DaemonFC	The consequences of getting your calculations wrong are pretty bad.
[14:20]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2021/10/08/1043506293/2020-census-results-accuracy-undercount-populations-post-enumeration-survey
[14:20]	altlink_48f	 npr.org is Cloudflare domain.
[14:20]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.npr.org/2021/10/08/1043506293/2020-census-results-accuracy-undercount-populations-post-enumeration-survey
[14:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Census Bureau checks count's accuracy with Post-Enumeration Survey : NPR
[14:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Census Bureau checks count's accuracy with Post-Enumeration Survey : NPR
[14:20]	DaemonFC	Nobody from the census even tried to count the motel we lived at.
[14:21]	DaemonFC	I had to go to census.gov and fill it out myself, voluntarily, which is odd considering you legally have to, but nothing ever arrived, and nobody ever came out.
[14:21]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, The United States is a train wreck domestically.
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[14:21]	DaemonFC	I can't imagine how it thinks it can impose foreign policy on the world.
[14:22]	DaemonFC	This idea isn't quite as comical as the UK as a world power, but it's moving in that direction.
[14:23]	DaemonFC	The UK is only on the United Nations Security Council as a permanent member because it got a seat as a major player in the immediate aftermath of the second world war.
[14:23]	DaemonFC	If they were doling out seats today, I don't know that it would get one. And France? Come on.
[14:23]	DaemonFC	The US would.
[14:24]	DaemonFC	If anyone would get seats as the dominant countries, it would be the United States, China, and Russia for sure. Maybe the EU would get one as a whole.
[14:25]	DaemonFC	In a distant fourth place.
[14:25]	DaemonFC	They have a large economy if you consider them all togather, but they're not a major unified military force.
[14:25]	DaemonFC	Even Germany has a lot of broken down equipment because it spends so little.
[14:27]	DaemonFC	The US is frantically, and maybe too late, trying to band together a coalition of allies to contain China's ambitions.
[14:27]	DaemonFC	Trump set us back four years while he did nothing except antagonize our allies and beat his chest about how we didn't need anyone's help.
[14:29]	DaemonFC	https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/carjackings-the-worst-on-chicagos-west-side-north-side-sees-spike
[14:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fox32chicago.com | Carjackings the worst on Chicago's West Side, North Side sees spike
[14:29]	DaemonFC	News as comedy.
[14:30]	DaemonFC	It's statistically more dangerous to be in Chicago on a Tuesday, in the morning, in a Toyota Camry!
[14:31]	DaemonFC	*Ralph Wiggums voice* HAHA! I'm in danger!
[14:32]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, There's a lot of great things about driving an old car that doesn't look too great.
[14:32]	DaemonFC	Carjackers probably don't want it even though it runs fine.
[14:33]	DaemonFC	They're on the lookout to steal a beemer and maybe rape the woman driving it too.
[14:33]	DaemonFC	The only thing they like more than slinging dope and chopping cars is putting their dicks where they don't belong.
[14:33]	DaemonFC	We need a total regime change here. And a stand your ground law.
[14:34]	DaemonFC	Stallman is absolutely unqualified to speak on this.
[14:34]	DaemonFC	He doesn't go into the ghetto in Chicago where he'd see firsthand what they'd do to him five seconds later.
[14:35]	DaemonFC	He just speaks about people who consider arming themselves for their own protection as if we're a bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthals and rubes.
[14:35]	DaemonFC	I think he's qualified to speak about software, but his social politics are just generally fringe and delusional.
[14:36]	DaemonFC	He should be more supportive of the police being allowed to do their jobs because the reason Illinois is the #1 state now for legal gun sales is because people here have given up any hope of the police helping them.
[14:37]	DaemonFC	Nobody wants to be the next cop on trial for taking down some black teenager that was flipping them off and waving a gun.
[14:37]	techrights-news	Outline of #techrights public code, by number of lines and language (new page): gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/sloc.gmi
[14:38]	techrights-news	#ProprietarySoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156594 #TuxMachines
[14:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:43]	DaemonFC	I just booted up my older laptop.
[14:43]	techrights-news	#Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156595
[14:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:43]	DaemonFC	I can't seem to ever get a PC That doesn't have BIOS errors.
[14:44]	DaemonFC	Linux complains about them loudly, but they're there whether it's Linux or Windows.
[14:46]	techrights-news	#FSFE and #EEF on Free Software Licensing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156596 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FSFE and EEF on Free Software Licensing | Tux Machines
[14:46]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I might write about Debian 11 KDE soon.
[14:46]	DaemonFC	I'm committing it to the disk on the Yoga 900 ISK 2.
[14:47]	DaemonFC	It still doesn't automagically scale for hidpi.
[14:47]	DaemonFC	I think it did under Wayland if you force it to use the Wayland session.
[14:47]	DaemonFC	But then your scaling settings for X11 will be wrong and it will be too large in the Wayland session.
[14:49]	DaemonFC	I may try the Plasma Wayland session first before I start screwing around with anything and see if that actually works right now.
[14:50]	DaemonFC	It didn't in Plasma 5.15, but I think Debian 11 has 5.20.
[14:50]	DaemonFC	Debian doesn't seem to recommend KDE, but they also don't seem to overtly sabotage it like Fedora does.
[14:51]	DaemonFC	Those Fedora people have gotten pretty stupid.
[14:51]	DaemonFC	This obsession with "immutable" root file systems just because they saw a Mac doing it blows my mind.
[14:52]	DaemonFC	Herr derrr, you installed an RPM. You have to restart for the changes to take effect!
[14:52]	DaemonFC	Herr derrr, we can be worse than Windows! Derrr!
[14:53]	DaemonFC	I wonder if installing Synaptic Package Manager into KDE would be more trouble than it's worth.
[14:53]	DaemonFC	If this works out, I mean, I could just change over to KDE on my main laptop easily.
[14:53]	DaemonFC	I just don't know that I want to.
[14:53]	DaemonFC	KDE is sort of hit or miss.
[14:54]	DaemonFC	They had a really really stable series with KDE 3 and then they gutted it and put out the "Windows Vista of KDE", KDE 4.
[14:54]	DaemonFC	It was a big pig and nothing worked well.
[14:55]	DaemonFC	On top of that, it took them forever to reach a point where they could drop all of KDE 3's applications and Qt3.
● Oct 09
[15:00]	MinceR	synaptic used to run just fine on KDE
[15:00]	MinceR	did they break that too?
[15:00]	techrights-news	#OpenHardware / #Modding : #Arduino and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156597
[15:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and More | Tux Machines
[15:00]	techrights-news	#Devices : GNU/Linux on SoCs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156598 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: GNU/Linux on SoCs | Tux Machines
[15:01]	techrights-news	#IBM / #RedHat : VodafoneZiggo, Open5G, and More Openwashing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156599 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat: VodafoneZiggo, 'Open5G', and More Openwashing | Tux Machines
[15:10]	techrights-news	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156600 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[15:10]	techrights-news	#Debian GNU/Linux 11.1 "Bullseye" Released with 24 Security Updates and 75 Bug Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156601 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux 11.1 "Bullseye" Released with 24 Security Updates and 75 Bug Fixes | Tux Machines
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[15:15]	techrights-news	Links 9/10/2021: KDE Frameworks 5.87, Debian GNU/Linux 11.1 Released http://techrights.org/2021/10/09/kde-frameworks-5-87/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/09/kde-frameworks-5-87/
[15:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 9/10/2021: KDE Frameworks 5.87, Debian GNU/Linux 11.1 Released | Techrights
[15:18]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.50   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.06 swarm size (avg): 258.19  
[15:19]	techrights-news	Wine 6.19 is out new with more joystick work, more modules converted to PE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156575#comment-31307
[15:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.19 | Tux Machines
[15:21]	techrights-news	KDE Moves To GitLab-Based CI, Lands More Plasma Wayland Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156586#comment-31308
[15:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Continuous integraaaaaaation | Tux Machines
[15:24]	techrights-news	#BSDNow 423: RACK the Stack https://www.bsdnow.tv/423 #bsd #unix
[15:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 423: RACK the Stack
[15:25]	techrights-news	It Appears #FUTEX2 Will Land For Linux 5.16 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FUTEX2-Bits-In-Locking-Core #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux
[15:25]	altlink_48f	 phoronix.com is Cloudflare domain.
[15:25]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FUTEX2-Bits-In-Locking-Core
[15:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It Appears FUTEX2 Will Land For Linux 5.16 - Phoronix
[15:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | It Appears FUTEX2 Will Land For Linux 5.16 - Phoronix
[15:27]	techrights-news	AMD DisplayPort #Thunderbolt Tunneling driver already available in latest #Linux #kernel patches, USB4 support finally coming in early 2022 - NotebookCheck.net News https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-DisplayPort-Thunderbolt-Tunneling-driver-already-available-in-latest-Linux-kernel-patches-USB4-support-finally-coming-in-early-2022.570527.0.html #notebookcheck
[15:27]	altlink_48f	 notebookcheck.net is Cloudflare domain.
[15:27]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-DisplayPort-Thunderbolt-Tunneling-driver-already-available-in-latest-Linux-kernel-patches-USB4-support-finally-coming-in-early-2022.570527.0.html
[15:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD DisplayPort Thunderbolt Tunneling driver already available in latest Linux kernel patches, USB4 support finally coming in early 2022 - NotebookCheck.net News
[15:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | AMD DisplayPort Thunderbolt Tunneling driver already available in latest Linux kernel patches, USB4 support finally coming in early 2022 - NotebookCheck.net News
[15:30]	techrights-news	#KDE Ships Frameworks 5.87.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156593#comment-31309
[15:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.87 Makes Plasma Discover Faster, Improves Support for Kirigami Apps | Tux Machines
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[15:34]	techrights-news	Mystery solved in #geminiSpace https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007280.html #geminiprotocol
[15:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Tech] A broken server in the wild, tearing down connection when the resource does not exist?
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[15:45]	techrights-news	#KDEGear 21.08.2 adds more fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156520#comment-31310
[15:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Gear 21.08.2 Is Out to Improve Dolphin, Okular, Konsole, Gwenview, Kate, and Other Apps | Tux Machines
[15:46]	techrights-news	Imagine #murdoch #WallStreetJournal or #WSJ actually issuing correction to political #misinformation thty spread, not merely a misspelling https://www.wsj.com/articles/corrections-amplifications-11633728902
[15:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Corrections & Amplifications - WSJ
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[15:48]	techrights-news	What an absolutely dumb thins for former #IBM chief to say https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/10/a-pandemic-is-fundamentally-an-information-problem.html how IBM profits from #covid19 right now: http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/
[15:48]	altlink_48f	 irvingwb.com is Cloudflare domain.
[15:48]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/10/a-pandemic-is-fundamentally-an-information-problem.html
[15:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: A Pandemic Is Fundamentally an Information Problem
[15:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights
[15:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/10/a-pandemic-is-fundamentally-an-information-problem.html )
[15:50]	DaemonFC	Okay, I got KDE up on my other laptop.
[15:50]	DaemonFC	It actually uses a fair bit less RAM once installed.
[15:50]	DaemonFC	A little under 800 MB.
[15:51]	techrights-news	#ibm tracking people http://techrights.org/2021/06/14/vaccine-spam-in-linux-news/
[15:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conveniently Conflating Vaccination With the Surveillance Business of IBM/Linux Foundation | Techrights
● Oct 09
[16:03]	techrights-news	#ibm #linuxfoundation #intel and #microsoft : the word "master" is OFFENSIVE!! Stop saying it!!! Today: "Mastering Linux" https://www.pcmag.com/deals/git-your-linux-skills-up-to-snuff-for-less-than-20
[16:03]	altlink_48f	 pcmag.com is Cloudflare domain.
[16:03]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pcmag.com/deals/git-your-linux-skills-up-to-snuff-for-less-than-20
[16:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Git' Your Linux Skills Up to Snuff for Less Than $20 | PCMag
[16:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pcmag.com/deals/git-your-linux-skills-up-to-snuff-for-less-than-20 )
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[16:05]	techrights-news	Another vulnerability in Apache httpd, allowing access outside the site root directory http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156505#comment-31311
[16:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Patches, Reproducible Builds, and More | Tux Machines
[16:06]	techrights-news	With CVE-2021-41773, I'm surprised #microsoft and #billgates - bribed media doesn't call it a "LINUX" security issue, knowing that #apache runs on #gnu #linux most of the time and they love misplacing blame
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[17:40]	DaemonFC	The Plasma Wayland session still has some issues.
[17:40]	DaemonFC	It ignores my KDE touchpad settings, and the shutdown menu shifts off and to the left of the screen. :/
[17:41]	MinceR	it also has the issue that it's wayland and the issue that it's KDE
[17:44]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/crime/westmont-man-accused-of-beating-police-officer-attempted-to-take-taser/
[17:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Westmont man accused of beating police officer; attempted to take taser | WGN-TV
[17:44]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/man-stabs-apple-store-security-guard-over-mask-dispute-in-manhattan-nypd/
[17:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Man stabs Apple store security guard over mask dispute in Manhattan: NYPD | WGN-TV
[17:45]	DaemonFC	"The suspect remained at large Saturday morning. Police have not yet released a description."
[17:45]	DaemonFC	Coulter's Law
[17:45]	DaemonFC	The longer it takes the news to describe the suspect, the higher the odds are that he isn't white.
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[17:46]	DaemonFC	MinceR, From my observations, the far-right has almost moved past their hangups with gay men.
[17:46]	DaemonFC	Even the ones about adopting children.
[17:47]	MinceR	or that's what they want you to believe
[17:47]	DaemonFC	I was reading my favorite racist board (I do that sometimes because it's really funny how horrible people are.).
[17:47]	MinceR	in any case, fidSS created a homoerotophobic law in hungary this year
[17:47]	DaemonFC	And they posted a story about two gay men who adopted a black kid and the kid ended up stabbing both of them and getting arrested.
[17:47]	MinceR	in which they try to make it seem as if gay people were the same as pedophiles
[17:47]	DaemonFC	I half expected them to say something about the men.
[17:48]	DaemonFC	But all they said was "Well, that'll teach them to adopt a black child. Even with the best upbringing, it stabbed both of them and left them for dead.".
[17:49]	DaemonFC	And I was left impressed by the fact that not once did they have anything to say about the morality of being gay or anything.
[17:49]	DaemonFC	It went on for a couple of pages and nothing like that happened.
[17:49]	MinceR	it's not like they tend to be consistent anyway
[17:50]	MinceR	especially when this new love story between the neofascists and the CPC began
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[18:01]	techrights-news	#HowTo Enable Dark Mode in Web Browser http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156602 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[18:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Enable Dark Mode in Web Browser | Tux Machines
[18:01]	DaemonFC	MinceR, The Democrats are going to have a big problem soon.
[18:02]	DaemonFC	The Republican Party has basically moved past the whole gay thing, and without the overt hostility, they may actually start gaining votes.
[18:02]	DaemonFC	Again, small group, but nearly all voted for the Democrats because it's hard to vote for people who are openly offending you.
[18:03]	DaemonFC	I think that may partially explain why the Democrats are emptying out the prisons on us and making felons eligible to vote again.
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[18:19]	MinceR	DaemonFC: the "republicans" have their own problem -- their party being split into a pro-trump and anti-trump faction
[18:25]	XRevan86	https://smbc-comics.com/comic/ai-8
[18:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - AI
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[18:30]	DaemonFC	MinceR, There wasn't much pushback against him.
[18:30]	DaemonFC	He kept almost getting what he wanted through the Senate, until he bungled it.
[18:30]	DaemonFC	He bungled a lot of easy wins.
[18:30]	DaemonFC	If they really wanted the ACA gone, they should have waited until the last minute to vote on the repeal bill.
[18:31]	DaemonFC	They knew that McCain had terminal brain cancer with months to live.
[18:31]	DaemonFC	Just wait for him to die and pass the bill by 1 vote.
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[18:32]	DaemonFC	Budget Reconciliation rules only allow one vote on a subject covered by a budget bill per Senate term
[18:32]	DaemonFC	It's designed precisely so they can't keep tweaking the bill and trying again until some version of it barely passes.
[18:32]	techrights-news	#epo regime has tha audacity to post this junk https://epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20211008.html they're causing disability in their own staff http://techrights.org/2017/04/01/upper-limb-disorder-at-epo/
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[18:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - EPO partners with myAbility Talent Programme for third year running
[18:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Sickness of the EPO Part VII: 40% of EPO Workers Have Upper Limb Disorder (ULD), Battistelli Covers That Up | Techrights
[18:38]	DaemonFC	Vivaldi works nicely on KDE.
[18:38]	DaemonFC	Even with my web browser open, it uses less RAM than GNOME with nothing running.
[18:47]	techrights-news	"There is a new application available for Sparkers: Kotatogram Desktop" https://sparkylinux.org/kotatogram-desktop/ #debian #gnu #linux #sparkylinux
[18:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | Kotatogram Desktop SparkyLinux
[18:48]	techrights-news	KDE DEVLOG: Understanding Plasmas Panels - Kockatoo Tube https://tube.kockatoo.org/w/me6jgsGwWLUAV1Tt8zBbHG #kde #gnu #linux
[18:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tube.kockatoo.org | KDE DEVLOG: Understanding Plasma's Panels - Kockatoo Tube
[18:50]	techrights-news	Recap of the Hybrid #LibreOffice Conference 2021 in #Hamburg https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/10/08/recap-of-the-hybrid-libreoffice-conference-2021-in-hamburg/ #de #germany #freesw
[18:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Recap of the Hybrid LibreOffice Conference 2021 in Hamburg - The Document Foundation Blog
[18:52]	techrights-news	Tongight at midnight #techrights will cover #epo affairs in Luxembourg. #corruption #patenrs #Luxembourg
[18:56]	techrights-news	How to craft #propaganda : associate #Linux with "malware" (that actually has nothing to do with Linux) and make #backdoors giants like Microsoft look like a bunch of #security professionals; of course this publisher is paid by #Microsoft to do this https://www.itworldcanada.com/article/cyber-security-today-oct-8-2021-new-linux-malware-a-new-hacking-group-and-a-thick-advisory-report-from-microsoft/460100
[18:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworldcanada.com | Cyber Security Today, Oct. 8, 2021 New Linux malware, a new hacking group and a thick advisory report from Microsoft | IT World Canada News
[18:58]	techrights-news	This is not about #Linux , just as holes in #Adobe #Photoshop are not about #Windows (this is crafty spin and a black PR campaign https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/-fontonlake-malware-family-targets-linux-systems
[18:58]	altlink_48f	 darkreading.com is Cloudflare domain.
[18:58]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/-fontonlake-malware-family-targets-linux-systems
[18:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | 'FontOnLake' Malware Family Targets Linux Systems
[18:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | 'FontOnLake' Malware Family Targets Linux Systems
● Oct 09
[19:00]	techrights-news	"It's currently not known how the attackers gain initial access to the network," but they blame #Linux for merely existing inside an already-compromised network. This is lousy journalism or not #journalism at all. It's marketing spam for #ESET https://thehackernews.com/2021/10/researchers-warn-of-fontonlake-rootkit.html
[19:00]	altlink_48f	 thehackernews.com is Cloudflare domain.
[19:00]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thehackernews.com/2021/10/researchers-warn-of-fontonlake-rootkit.html
[19:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Researchers Warn of FontOnLake Rootkit Malware Targeting Linux Systems
[19:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Researchers Warn of FontOnLake Rootkit Malware Targeting Linux Systems
[19:02]	techrights-news	This isn't about Linux but about #ESET attacking #Linux with FUD, just for shameless self-promotion; they don't even know how attackers get to the systems in the first place https://www.cxotoday.com/press-release/eset-research-uncovers-fontonlake-a-targeted-malware-attacking-linux/
[19:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cxotoday.com | ESET Research uncovers FontOnLake, a Targeted malware attacking Linux
[19:05]	techrights-news	#PostgreSQL puts engineering aside to focus on banning people, in particular people who have 'strong' views on corporations and might "offend" powerful people's feelings. This focuses on gender and nationality, not anything technical or corporate. https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/new-members-of-the-community-code-of-conduct-committee-2322/
[19:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: New Members of the Community Code of Conduct Committee
[19:07]	techrights-news	"The Committee is comprised of 4 women, 3 men, and 0 nonbinary individuals." This focuses on gender, not anything technical or corporate. https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/new-members-of-the-community-code-of-conduct-committee-2322/
[19:08]	techrights-news	Creating quotas for "nonbinary individuals" means there's a career incentive to change gender; that can propel people into positions of power just to meet diversity quotas. https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/new-members-of-the-community-code-of-conduct-committee-2322/
[19:13]	techrights-news	Criteria that would be more meaningful would be, works or does not work for large monopolist because it is well known what harms #Freesoftware communities the most, based on history https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/new-members-of-the-community-code-of-conduct-committee-2322/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/19/gafam-python/
[19:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pythons New Board of Directors Adds 50% Google and 25% Microsoft | Techrights
[19:15]	techrights-news	In the case of the #LinuxFoundation , for instance, hiring for "diversity" has not prevented the Board being hijacked by Linux-hostile companies. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation
[19:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights
[19:17]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.20   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 26.76 swarm size (avg): 258.18  
[19:21]	techrights-news	Sorry to be linking to #zdnet but I want to show how, earlier today, the site posted PURE SPAM under "Linux". THIS IS SPAM. https://www.zdnet.com/article/innovative-technology-is-coming-to-change-linux-in-the-cloud-its-open-for-investment-now/ #boycottzdnet http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet
[19:21]	altlink_48f	 zdnet.com is Cloudflare domain.
[19:21]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.zdnet.com/article/innovative-technology-is-coming-to-change-linux-in-the-cloud-its-open-for-investment-now/
[19:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Innovative technology is coming to change Linux in the cloud. It's open for investment now. | ZDNet
[19:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights
[19:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Innovative technology is coming to change Linux in the cloud. It's open for investment now. | ZDNet
[19:24]	techrights-news	Conflicts of interest noted: "The New Stack is a wholly owned subsidiary of Insight Partners, an investor in the following companies mentioned in this article: MADE. Amazon Web Services and Gitlab are sponsors of The New Stack." https://thenewstack.io/this-week-in-programming-hacktoberfest-goes-opt-in-only/
[19:24]	altlink_48f	 thenewstack.io is Cloudflare domain.
[19:24]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenewstack.io/this-week-in-programming-hacktoberfest-goes-opt-in-only/
[19:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io | This Week in Programming: Hacktoberfest Goes Opt-In Only The New Stack
[19:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | This Week in Programming: Hacktoberfest Goes Opt-In Only The New Stack
[19:24]	DaemonFC	MinceR, So KDE has still not gotten their hidpi support where it should be, although it is much better in the Wayland session. But there's too many bugs in that.
[19:24]	DaemonFC	I guess this is what you get when you push X11 as the default even though it's abandoned and you're not really maintaining that anymore.
[19:25]	DaemonFC	Neither session really works like it should on hidpi displays.
[19:25]	DaemonFC	KWin on Wayland is still quite rough and X11 obviously isn't ever going to be fixed.
[19:26]	MinceR	what is "hidpi support" anyway? pretending that your display is half the resolution and then scaling it up?
[19:26]	techrights-news	Disabling the Nouveau open-source Nvidia driver to use the proprietary driver in OpenSUSE Leap 15.3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156604 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[19:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Disabling the Nouveau open-source Nvidia driver to use the proprietary driver in OpenSUSE Leap 15.3 | Tux Machines
[19:27]	techrights-news	#Security FUD From #ESET Against So-called Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156603 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[19:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security FUD From ESET Against So-called 'Linux' | Tux Machines
[19:29]	techrights-news	Debian 11.1 Released With Initial Batch Of Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156601#comment-31312
[19:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux 11.1 "Bullseye" Released with 24 Security Updates and 75 Bug Fixes | Tux Machines
[19:32]	techrights-news	"The Unleash Your Potential Program provides a #System76 computer to six winners for accelerating the completion of their next project. This week, we interviewed Marquita Wiggins, who is in the early stages of developing her open source Canva alternative, Designy." https://blog.system76.com/post/664398672963960832/marquita-wiggins-is-developing-her-open-source
[19:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.system76.com | System76 Blog Marquita Wiggins is Developing her Open Source...
[19:34]	techrights-news	"Right from the early days of #gmail, I have used it in "basic html view". However, recently it has been coming up in "standard view", and despite trying to set it back to basic html view, persists in coming up in standard view." https://bkhome.org/news/202110/google-forcing-us-to-use-gmail-in-standard-mode.html
[19:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Google forcing us to use gmail in standard mode
[19:36]	techrights-news	#zdnet published a lot less in recent months. It's a dying site. Give it a few years before it goes tits-up completely (at the moment #ibm and #microsoft subsidise it to tell lies for them) http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet
[19:37]	DaemonFC	I wonder if KDE has a decent camera application.
[19:39]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[19:39]	schestowitz-TR	but why KDE?
[19:39]	schestowitz-TR	you mean qt?
[19:40]	schestowitz-TR	you can apt-get install webcamoid
[19:40]	schestowitz-TR	it's a very potent application, I do all my videos with it
[19:40]	schestowitz-TR	cheese in gnome is far too simple
[19:40]	schestowitz-TR	and gtk-recordmydesktop
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[19:43]	techrights-news	I'm Im Now A Distro Maintainer - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mW64pOTP8UU #video #invidious #multimedia | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/10/09/#latest
[19:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Linux From ScratchI'm Now A Distro Maintainer - Invidious
[19:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[19:43]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, KDE needs more investigating.
[19:43]	DaemonFC	To see if it's worth being on my main laptop.
[19:44]	techrights-news	#Intel Begins Preparing #Linux #Graphics Driver For Multi-Tile #Hardware - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Preps-Linux-Multi-Tile #Phoronix
[19:44]	altlink_48f	 phoronix.com is Cloudflare domain.
[19:44]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Preps-Linux-Multi-Tile
[19:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Begins Preparing Linux Graphics Driver For Multi-Tile Hardware - Phoronix
[19:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Intel Begins Preparing Linux Graphics Driver For Multi-Tile Hardware - Phoronix
[19:44]	DaemonFC	I don't really like software bloat, personally, no matter how good of a computer I use.
[19:45]	DaemonFC	But more important than RAM consumption is if it will get in my way or not have a feature I need, or will have too many bugs.
[19:45]	DaemonFC	Switching desktops isn't that difficult though.
[19:46]	techrights-news	#MicrosoftTim writing about #Mozilla becoming hardly better than #Google , its main sponsor (and #Microsoft is of course even worse) https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/08/mozilla_adding_sponsored_search_results/
[19:46]	altlink_48f	 theregister.com is Cloudflare domain.
[19:46]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/08/mozilla_adding_sponsored_search_results/
[19:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Firefox adding personalised, sponsored search suggestions The Register
[19:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Firefox adding personalised, sponsored search suggestions The Register
[19:46]	DaemonFC	Debian dumped a few GB of internationalization crap on my KDE desktop system though too.
[19:47]	techrights-news	#mozilla has turned #firefox into the scene of an accident. It is the managers' fault. http://techrights.org/2021/08/05/lousy-mozilla-management/
[19:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Firefox Cannot be Trusted at the Hands of Todays Mozilla Management | Techrights
[19:47]	DaemonFC	The vact majority of it seemed to be there for LibreOffice language and help packs for languages I don't speak or use.
[19:47]	DaemonFC	*vast
[19:47]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, I should also see if it wants to remove KDE and X if I ask it to get rid of Firefox.
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[20:03]	MinceR	https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/25/bofh_2021_episode_9/
[20:03]	altlink_48f	 theregister.com is Cloudflare domain.
[20:03]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/25/bofh_2021_episode_9/
[20:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | BOFH: Oh for Petes sake. Dont make a spectacle of yourself The Register
[20:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | BOFH: Oh for Petes sake. Dont make a spectacle of yourself The Register
[20:22]	schestowitz-TR	I've just debloated rianne's lapto
[20:22]	schestowitz-TR	had 100,000 rss items
[20:22]	schestowitz-TR	lowered not to under 1000
[20:22]	schestowitz-TR	kill off snap daemon
[20:22]	schestowitz-TR	containd
[20:22]	schestowitz-TR	dockerd
[20:22]	schestowitz-TR	she added loads of crap
[20:22]	schestowitz-TR	and then it gets slow like windows
[20:24]	techrights-news	#Robolinux 12.11 is released http://www.robolinux.org/ #gnu #linux
[20:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Welcome to Robolinux.org
[20:25]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/wJNEddo.jpeg
[20:25]	altlink_48f	 imgur.com is Cloudflare domain.
[20:25]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/wJNEddo.jpeg
[20:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20211009192605/https://i.imgur.com/wJNEddo.jpeg )
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[20:27]	techrights-news	Firefox 93 #AVIF support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156410#comment-31313
[20:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 93 Is Now Available for Download, Finally Enables AVIF Support by Default | Tux Machines
[20:30]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: The kernel plays a significant role, and although the kernel is pretty fresh in Debian 11, chances are it wont suit you for some reason. Moreover, the 5.14 kernel contains many changes that are likely to affect Debian for the better. Of the main changes in the 5.14 kernel, we can note improved support for
[20:30]	schestowitz	https://www.itsfoss.net/installing-linux-5-14-kernel-on-debian-11/
[20:30]	altlink_48f	 itsfoss.net is Cloudflare domain.
[20:30]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.itsfoss.net/installing-linux-5-14-kernel-on-debian-11/
[20:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Installing Linux 5.14 Kernel on Debian 11 - itsfoss.net
[20:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Installing Linux 5.14 Kernel on Debian 11 - itsfoss.net
[20:30]	DaemonFC	Well, I figured out the touchpad problem in the Wayland session on KDE.
[20:31]	DaemonFC	You have to configure it _again_ to do tap to click in that session.
[20:33]	techrights-news	#Kernel: Intel, AMD, and FUTEX2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156605 #GPL #Linux #TuxMachines
[20:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Intel, AMD, and FUTEX2 | Tux Machines
[20:41]	DaemonFC	The Wayland session is rather aggravating
[20:41]	techrights-news	#Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156606 #Linux #TuxMachines
[20:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[20:41]	DaemonFC	But again, they don't install it by default so I think this must be why.
[20:47]	techrights-news	techrights-news Firefox 93 #AVIF support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156410#comment-31313
[20:48]	techrights-news	Google plans to use regular Linux kernel for Android http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/155969#comment-31315
[20:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Google, Xen, and Mesa | Tux Machines
[20:49]	techrights-news	#Python Has Become the Most Popular #programming Language, According to TIOBE https://linuxiac.com/python-the-most-popular-programming-language/ #linuxiac | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/10/09/#latest
[20:49]	altlink_48f	 linuxiac.com is Cloudflare domain.
[20:49]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxiac.com/python-the-most-popular-programming-language/
[20:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | Python Has Become the Most Popular Language, According to TIOBE
[20:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[20:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20211009194939/https://linuxiac.com/python-the-most-popular-programming-language/ )
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[20:56]	DaemonFC	Well, the small icons in the right click menu can be partially fixed in KDE on a hidpi display.
[20:57]	DaemonFC	They're set to 16 by default. You can go as high as 22, which isn't big enough, but looks better in the right click menus, without overflowing dialog boxes.
[20:57]	techrights-news	#Debian -Based Sparky and #EasyOS Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156607 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[20:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian-Based Sparky and EasyOS Updates | Tux Machines
[20:58]	DaemonFC	And my touchpad doesn't resume in the Xorg session.
[20:58]	DaemonFC	Lovely.
[20:58]	DaemonFC	Okay, I think curiosity got the better of me on this one.
[20:58]	DaemonFC	May try Mageia next.
● Oct 09
[21:02]	DaemonFC	It's kind of depressing that GNOME is the only thing that works right on this.
[21:03]	schestowitz-TR	touchpad?
[21:03]	DaemonFC	Yeah. Maybe it's because GNOME doesn't really use X11 anymore.
[21:04]	DaemonFC	You can start it up with X11, but it's not intended to be used that way.
[21:04]	techrights-news	Underpaying people while the rich hoard all the capital https://news.yahoo.com/tech-feels-labor-market-crunch-100017440.html
[21:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Tech feels labor market crunch
[21:04]	DaemonFC	Wayland actually fixed so much X11 fuckery on that laptop. Nothing that runs under X11 works right.
[21:04]	DaemonFC	X11 applications running on XWayland are fine.
[21:05]	techrights-news	Anti-Linux FUD aplenty. I'm sure #microsoft loves these lies more than it 'loves' Linux. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156603#comment-31316
[21:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security FUD From ESET Against So-called 'Linux' | Tux Machines
[21:05]	techrights-news	[Older] #Apache Software Foundation updates Drill for broader SQL queries https://venturebeat.com/2021/09/01/apache-software-foundation-updates-drill-for-broader-sql-queries/
[21:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apache Software Foundation updates Drill for broader SQL queries | VentureBeat
[21:06]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, X11 likes to forget that you have, you know, input devices.
[21:07]	DaemonFC	On some of the computers I've ran it on, it forgets that there's a screen as soon as the computer comes back from suspend.
[21:07]	DaemonFC	And the recent Intel graphics drivers work much better on Wayland than X11.
[21:07]	techrights-news	The Soul of the Movement: 30 Years of Linux (Part 2) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154866#comment-31317 mentioned GNU a lot
[21:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Happy 30th Birthday, Linux! | Tux Machines
[21:08]	DaemonFC	There's obviously a lot of baggage in KDE that they're having a hard time getting rid of.
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[21:08]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Is opensuse still owned by a troll?
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[21:11]	techrights-news	2 decade ago you could say #ZDNet covered news. Now it's SPAM and jokers like, "Is learning how to code hard?"
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	sort of
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	don't do SUSE
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	Debian 11 is OK
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	but I realise you tinker
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	and you're out-tinkered it
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	maybe have a spin/go at arch
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	or some arch-based distro
[21:13]	DaemonFC	"1.4 UEFIUnified Extensible Firmware Interface REPORT DOCUMENTATION BUG#
[21:13]	DaemonFC	Prior to installing openSUSE on a system that boots using UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface), you are urgently advised to check for any firmware updates the hardware vendor recommends and, if available, to install such an update. A pre-installation of Windows 8 or later is a strong indication that your system boots using UEFI.
[21:13]	DaemonFC	Background: Some UEFI firmware has bugs that cause it to break if too much data gets written to the UEFI storage area. However, there is no clear data of how much is too much.
[21:13]	DaemonFC	openSUSE minimizes the risk by not writing more than the bare minimum required to boot the OS. The minimum means telling the UEFI firmware about the location of the openSUSE boot loader. Upstream Linux kernel features that use the UEFI storage area for storing boot and crash information (pstore) have been disabled by default. Nevertheless, it is recommended to install any firmware updates the hardware vendor recommends."
[21:13]	DaemonFC	OpenSUSE admits what a piece of shit uEFI is.
[21:13]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Maybe quote them somewhere?
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[21:13]	schestowitz-TR	you can climb up the hill and fetch very recent versions of things
[21:14]	DaemonFC	I like Debian 11 with GNOME, a lot, except they ought to change their package dependencies a little.
[21:14]	DaemonFC	It's offensive that I have to have Firefox and removing it will leave a broken system
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	you can remove it
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	then it might install other things
[21:17]	DaemonFC	Chromium, which is in some ways even more of a fucking disaster than Firefox.
[21:17]	techrights-news	"Use Collabora Online to edit documents from within the web browser, la Google Docs and Microsoft 360" https://www.techradar.com/how-to/heres-how-to-setup-your-own-microsoft-365-alternative
[21:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Here's how to setup your own Microsoft 365 alternative | TechRadar
[21:18]	DaemonFC	I wonder if ungoogled Chromium counts as provides chromium or if I actually do need to make a dummy package.
[21:18]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.00   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 4.05 swarm size (avg): 258.16  
[21:18]	DaemonFC	As long as Apt thinks I am participating in Browser Fascism, it'll leave me alone.
[21:18]	techrights-news	#socialcontrolmedia like #facebook contributes to this problem and helps distract from #oligarchy as a risk https://hbr.org/2021/10/how-business-leaders-can-reduce-polarization
[21:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hbr.org | How Business Leaders Can Reduce Polarization
[21:23]	DaemonFC	"1.5 UEFI, GPT, and MS-DOS partitions REPORT DOCUMENTATION BUG#
[21:23]	DaemonFC	Together with the EFI/UEFI specification, a new style of partitioning arrived: GPT (GUID Partition Table). This new schema uses globally unique identifiers (128-bit values displayed in 32 hexadecimal digits) to identify devices and partition types.
[21:23]	DaemonFC	Additionally, the UEFI specification also allows legacy MBR (MS-DOS) partitions. The Linux boot loaders (ELILO or GRUB 2) try to automatically generate a GUID for those legacy partitions, and write them to the firmware. Such a GUID can change frequently, causing a rewrite in the firmware. A rewrite consists of two different operations: Removing the old entry and creating a new entry that replaces the first one.
[21:23]	DaemonFC	Modern firmware has a garbage collector that collects deleted entries and frees the memory reserved for old entries. A problem arises when faulty firmware does not collect and free those entries. This can result in a non-bootable system.
[21:24]	DaemonFC	To work around this problem, convert the legacy MBR partition to GPT."
[21:24]	DaemonFC	LOL
[21:24]	techrights-news	Conservations we support say, "please h in Facebook!" So sad on so many levels, even referring to a truly malicious company as "community"; yeah, I'm sure the animals are delighted to get "LIKES!"
[21:27]	techrights-news	#TechRepublic -- a sister site of #zdnet -- is fake 'news'; this is a grotesque FALSE DICHOTOMY, a false choice between two arms of US #surveillance complex and a dangerous trap everyone must avoid. #clowncomputing is for dummies who don't understand tech and are misled by crooked sites like TechRepublic https://www.techrepublic.com/article/analysis-google-workspace-or-microsoft-365/
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[21:27]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/analysis-google-workspace-or-microsoft-365/
[21:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Analysis: Google Workspace or Microsoft 365? - TechRepublic
[21:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Analysis: Google Workspace or Microsoft 365? - TechRepublic
[21:28]	techrights-news	"Human activities including trawl fishing and the deep-sea mining activities that some companies are beginning to contemplate weaken the oceans sequestration potential." https://www.greenbiz.com/article/sea-change-seafloor-mapping
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[21:28]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.greenbiz.com/article/sea-change-seafloor-mapping
[21:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A sea change for seafloor mapping | Greenbiz
[21:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | A sea change for seafloor mapping | Greenbiz
[21:31]	techrights-news	All Pythonistas should switch to Go or okay, maybe just half https://thenextweb.com/news/python-vs-go-syndication #programming
[21:31]	altlink_48f	 thenextweb.com is Cloudflare domain.
[21:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | All Pythonistas should switch to Go or okay, maybe just half
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[21:33]	schestowitz	"One of those projects weve been hearing about for years. I think most distributions still default to ext4 except for Fedora."
[21:33]	schestowitz	https://www.osnews.com/story/133987/examining-btrfs-linuxs-perpetually-half-finished-filesystem/
[21:33]	altlink_48f	 osnews.com is Cloudflare domain.
[21:33]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.osnews.com/story/133987/examining-btrfs-linuxs-perpetually-half-finished-filesystem/
[21:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Examining btrfs, Linuxs perpetually half-finished filesystem OSnews
[21:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Examining btrfs, Linuxs perpetually half-finished filesystem OSnews
[21:37]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz> "One of those projects weve been hearing about for years. I think most distributions still default to ext4 except for Fedora."
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: the jab works
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	very well
[21:37]	DaemonFC	OpenSUSE switched to BtrFS, then Fedora did.
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	2000 deaths in US yesterday, not counting FL
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	FL not reporting
[21:38]	DaemonFC	Ubuntu switched to ZFS I think.
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	leave aside SUS
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	SUSE and OpenSUSE are dead ends
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	we need to push people towards communities
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	make Linux grassroots agsin
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	the way it is going, we get androids and chrome
[21:38]	DaemonFC	I noticed that OpenSUSE was making bizarre development decisions, even more than Fedora does.
[21:39]	schestowitz-TR	with imposed gmail accounts
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Well, Mageia is fine to recommend, I think.
[21:39]	DaemonFC	I just don't have any experience with it.
[21:39]	schestowitz-TR	and lots of crap that accomplished nothing significant
[21:39]	schestowitz-TR	mageia would be OK
[21:39]	schestowitz-TR	if you look for tinkering
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Assuming it works okay.
[21:39]	schestowitz-TR	I doubt it'll be any better than debian
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Well, it seems to have picked the same versions of most of the components as Debian 11 did.
[21:40]	techrights-news	#AlmaLinux OS Foundation Membership Opens to the Public http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156472#comment-31320
[21:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RHEL Clones: CentOS Latest and AlmaLinux Foundation | Tux Machines
[21:41]	DaemonFC	But it kept the Mandriva kernel scheme where you can switch to different kernels.
[21:41]	techrights-news	Top 10 In-Demand #Programming Language that Will Rule in 2021 https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-in-demand-programming-language-that-will-rule-in-2021/
[21:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.analyticsinsight.net | Top 10 In-Demand Programming Language that Will Rule in 2021
[21:41]	DaemonFC	Like Linux-Next, RT, the Zen Kernel, or one optimized for servers.
[21:42]	DaemonFC	The server ones were mostly optimized for maximum performance at the expense of responsiveness, and the realtime kernels were kind of the other way around.
[21:42]	DaemonFC	It made more difference in the 2.6 series.
[21:45]	techrights-news	"During the dot-com boom, the technology contender for e-money was eCash from DigiCash, and this CBDC design is based on the ideas of its founder David Chaum and the successor to eCash, the open source #GNU Taler." https://www.ledgerinsights.com/a-digital-dollar-cbdc-may-use-this-privacy-preserving-design/
[21:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ledgerinsights.com | A digital dollar CBDC may use this privacy preserving design - Ledger Insights - enterprise blockchain
[21:51]	techrights-news	#Ubuntu -based Pop!_OS Spotted on Raspberry Pi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156608 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[21:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu-based Pop!_OS Spotted on Raspberry Pi | Tux Machines
[21:55]	techrights-news	5 months later #liberachat reaches 50k users -- nowhere near the 90k users that old #freenode had. Likely just a net loss for #irc https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=Libera.Chat
[21:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE
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[22:01]	techrights-news	#patents #patent mmonopolies #covid19 #grifting https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/11/coronavirus-drug-ridgeback-biotherapeutics/
[22:01]	altlink_48f	 washingtonpost.com is Cloudflare domain.
[22:01]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/11/coronavirus-drug-ridgeback-biotherapeutics/
[22:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Financial speculation surrounding coronavirus drug developed with taxpayer money - The Washington Post
[22:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Financial speculation surrounding coronavirus drug developed with taxpayer money - The Washington Post
[22:01]	schestowitz-TR	wow, bezospost uses clownflare
[22:01]	schestowitz-TR	aws not gooe enough?
[22:03]	techrights-news	#upc as in #unitarypatent or #unifiedpatentcourt is dead, but there's this other UPC :-) https://benonicitytimes.co.za/423755/a-history-of-barcodes-a-revolution-that-took-20-years-to-happen/
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[22:03]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://benonicitytimes.co.za/423755/a-history-of-barcodes-a-revolution-that-took-20-years-to-happen/
[22:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benonicitytimes.co.za | A history of barcodes - a revolution that took 20 years to happen | Benoni City Times
[22:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | A history of barcodes - a revolution that took 20 years to happen | Benoni City Times
[22:05]	techrights-news	"he UPC project is designed to establish dedicated payment" = another #upc which unlike #unitarypatent or #unifiedpatentcourt is not dead. So... UPC isn't dead :-) except the #patent one https://cointelegraph.com/news/visa-working-on-blockchain-interoperability-hub-for-crypto-payments
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[22:05]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://cointelegraph.com/news/visa-working-on-blockchain-interoperability-hub-for-crypto-payments
[22:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cointelegraph.com | Visa working on blockchain interoperability hub for crypto payments
[22:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Visa working on blockchain interoperability hub for crypto payments
[22:07]	techrights-news	Hoarding #patents on life and on nature visa #crispr loopholes and #lobbying https://www.law360.com/pulse/articles/1424161/mammoth-s-new-gc-on-biotech-startups-challenges-crispr #patent #monopolies
[22:07]	altlink_48f	 law360.com is Cloudflare domain.
[22:07]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.law360.com/pulse/articles/1424161/mammoth-s-new-gc-on-biotech-startups-challenges-crispr
[22:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mammoth's New GC On Biotech Startups Challenges, CRISPR - Law360
[22:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Mammoth's New GC On Biotech Startups Challenges, CRISPR - Law360
[22:09]	techrights-news	#hogwash from greedy #patent lawyers, not even disproving the title but rather deflecting and lying, distorting what's actually happening. Public funds the work, public then forced to pay trillions to few grifters with not-so-good product. https://www.mondaq.com/italy/patent/1108542/are-patents-to-blame-for-scarcity-of-vaccines
[22:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Are Patents To Blame For Scarcity Of Vaccines? - Intellectual Property - Italy
[22:11]	techrights-news	Making a #patent #pyramidscheme and then treating it like a marvel of humanity https://www.mondaq.com/austria/patent/1108300/patents-on-nft-no-nft-on-patents-
[22:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Patents On NFT? No, NFT On Patents! - Intellectual Property - Austria
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[22:13]	techrights-news	Disguising #softwarepatents as "Hey Hi" again, as usual... the new loopholes riding the wave of #buzzwords and hype https://www.natlawreview.com/article/patent-protection-ai-inventions #swpats
[22:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Artificial Intelligence Invention Patent Protection Trends
[22:14]	techrights-news	In courts, #swpats are still mostly worthless https://www.natlawreview.com/article/transaction-authentication-claims-using-known-computer-components-are-patent
[22:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Federal Circuit Affirms Credit Card Security Patent Decision
[22:17]	techrights-news	"Smart"? What did this SUV score in the SATs? https://carbuzz.com/news/smart-suvs-production-design-leaked-in-patent-filings #buzzwords #crap #patents
[22:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Smart SUV's Production Design Leaked In Patent Filings | CarBuzz
[22:19]	techrights-news	No, this is not what #patents and exclusivity are assured to do; they're just misleading shareholders https://www.kktv.com/prnewswire/2021/10/06/valqari-secures-position-drone-delivery-industry-leader-with-new-us-patent/
[22:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kktv.com | Valqari Secures Position as Drone Delivery Industry Leader with New U.S. Patent
[22:20]	techrights-news	#patentTroll #sisvel still active and #patent #litigation fanatics are loving it http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/10/08/patent-case-sisvel-int-s-a-vs-shenzhen-tinno-and-wiko-sas-netherlands/
[22:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Patent case: Sisvel Int. S.A. vs. Shenzhen Tinno and Wiko SAS, Netherlands - Kluwer Patent Blog
[22:32]	techrights-news	We Can Shut Down Crimes Exposed in the Pandora Papers https://theintercept.com/2021/10/05/pandora-papers-offshore-tax-havens/ #theintercept owner is #omidyar -- how much in taxes does HE pay?
[22:32]	altlink_48f	 theintercept.com is Cloudflare domain.
[22:32]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://theintercept.com/2021/10/05/pandora-papers-offshore-tax-havens/
[22:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | We Can Shut Down Crimes Exposed in the Pandora Papers
[22:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | We Can Shut Down Crimes Exposed in the Pandora Papers
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[22:33]	techrights-news	Go back, go back, go away https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58793174 #socialcontrolmedia #polarization #zuckerberg #facebook #evil
[22:33]	altlink_48f	 bbc.com is Cloudflare domain.
[22:33]	altlink_48f	 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58793174
[22:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook, Whatsapp and Instagram back after outage - BBC News
[22:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Facebook, Whatsapp and Instagram back after outage - BBC News
[22:35]	techrights-news	Wow. #bbc has outsourced itself to #clownflare ... #billgates and British taxpayers pay for that site (the former for self-serving propaganda or silence about his crimes) and then they serve pages from AN AMERICAN SPYING COMPANY. NOT ACCEPTABLE.
[22:36]	techrights-news	Sad to say this, but half the time it feels like RMS Web site is an 'ad' for #billgates #astroturfing site 'guardian'. Need more source diversity... I told him a decade ago already.
[22:37]	techrights-news	Compress Your SVGs, Save Space With #SVGCleaner - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=b8I3c7NdLsQ #video #invidious
[22:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Compress Your SVGs, Save Space With SVGCleaner - Invidious
[22:39]	techrights-news	Seems apt they have put #chrome logo on plain red flag like Soviey Union or China because it's Orwellian #spyware https://www.maketecheasier.com/chrome-flags-better-browsing-experience/
[22:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 12 Chrome Flags to Boost Your Browsing - Make Tech Easier
[22:40]	techrights-news	#freesw wins not when all people move from #microsoft to #google (or Microsoft to Apple for that matter) but when we make gains on freedom. For that matter, #linux is not enough either. http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/thomas-grzybowski-on-freesw/
[22:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Freedom is Not Linux | Techrights
[22:41]	techrights-news	About an hour from now, as scheduled, #techrights will publish the #Luxembourg series. #epo #corruption
[22:45]	techrights-news	Very inefficient way to boil up a cuppa' :/ https://hackaday.com/2021/10/09/making-coffee-with-hydrogen/
[22:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Making Coffee With Hydrogen | Hackaday
[22:46]	techrights-news	Videos/Audiocasts/Shows: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156609 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[22:48]	techrights-news	"The open source world and Chinese manufacturing have a long relationship. Some fifteen years ago, the big topic was how companies could open-source their hardware designs and not get driven bankrupt by competition from overseas." https://hackaday.com/2021/10/09/hackers-and-china/
[22:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackers And China | Hackaday
[22:48]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156610 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[22:50]	techrights-news	The front page is outdated. #RedoRescue 4.0.0 has just been released. http://redorescue.com/ #gnu #linux #lxde
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[22:52]	techrights-news	We Built A Giant Flying Boat - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eRcoZniSOkc&t=36s #video #invidious #3dprinting
[22:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | We Built A Giant Flying Boat - Invidious
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[23:12]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Would you call Manjaro a community distribution?
[23:13]	DaemonFC	I don't think that they seem to care much about Free Software, but is there a corporation behind it?
[23:13]	DaemonFC	Or seedy characters.
[23:13]	schestowitz-TR	it's not the official one
[23:13]	schestowitz-TR	it's a bunch of hipsters perhaps
[23:14]	schestowitz-TR	if you moan about some software freedom-related thing, they won't listen to you
[23:14]	techrights-news	The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part VII: Luxembourgish Laxity http://techrights.org/2021/10/09/luxembourg-dog-ate-my-homework/ #Luxembourg #epp #corruption #europe #patents
[23:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part VII: Luxembourgish Laxity | Techrights
[23:14]	DaemonFC	If you pop Flatpak's GNOME Software plugin into it, it will start advertising proprietary software, even in Debian.
[23:14]	MinceR	it's a systemd distribution so it wishes it was fedora
[23:14]	DaemonFC	That is a problem. I wish there was some way to suppress this.
[23:15]	MinceR	so who cares who's behind it
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: flatpak is a systemd vector
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	it's IBM inside your OS
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	they told me years ago they would remove this dep
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	and maybe they did for a whole
[23:15]	DaemonFC	Some of my applications are Flatpaks and some are Debian packages.
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR	but now it's a hard dep across distros
[23:16]	DaemonFC	Some are Windows programs that I managed to get working in Wine.
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	so flatpak is 'universal' and 'inclusive'... as long as you submit to IBM
[23:16]	DaemonFC	Most of that is old video games and foobar2000.
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: try to move to free sw
[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	foobar is proprietary
[23:16]	DaemonFC	It's always a hodgepodge and I agree that without Wine, GNU/Linux would be in more trouble.
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	the goal it to eliminate crap software
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	wine might run office ok, I've never tried that
[23:17]	DaemonFC	Because if you tell people none of their favorite stuff is likely to run, then it's a non-starter.
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	but it would be missing the point
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: right
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	but you started with vivaldi
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	I said, try falkon
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	did you try?
[23:17]	DaemonFC	It wants to dump a bunch of KDE crap everywhere.
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	falkon is VERY community-oriented
[23:18]	schestowitz-TR	and they do not collect any data
[23:18]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.05   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 23.58 swarm size (avg): 258.16  
[23:18]	DaemonFC	There's no flatpak for it.
[23:18]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: I reckon you already had lots of KDE/qt to begin with
[23:18]	DaemonFC	I'd normally try something like this in flatpak so it didn't spew a mess everywhere.
[23:18]	schestowitz-TR	don't use flatpak
[23:18]	schestowitz-TR	flatpak sucks
[23:18]	schestowitz-TR	unless there is no other choice
[23:18]	DaemonFC	No, I converted all of the KDE and Qt applications to Flatpak.
[23:19]	DaemonFC	There aren't many.
[23:19]	DaemonFC	VLC and QBittorrent.
[23:19]	schestowitz-TR	re vlc
[23:19]	DaemonFC	The two absolute must haves that have no GTK+ equivalent.
[23:19]	schestowitz-TR	what do you use it for?
[23:19]	schestowitz-TR	I stopped using vlc most of the time
[23:19]	schestowitz-TR	mpv is good
[23:19]	schestowitz-TR	parole
[23:19]	schestowitz-TR	audaciuous
[23:19]	schestowitz-TR	(for sound)
[23:19]	DaemonFC	I consider Qt software to be non-native.
[23:20]	DaemonFC	It does function, but it's like, totally alien to the GNOME desktop in how it works.
[23:20]	schestowitz-TR	vlc is free sw, but I like simpler things for simpler tasks
[23:20]	schestowitz-TR	you are hooked on old habits
[23:20]	DaemonFC	I lump it in with like Windows software in Wine. Like, ugh, Qt.
[23:20]	DaemonFC	This again.
[23:20]	DaemonFC	And it wants to dump software with known vulnerabilities on my computer. How nice.
[23:20]	schestowitz-TR	it's hard to avoid qt
[23:20]	schestowitz-TR	might as well surrender to it and put falkon in
[23:21]	schestowitz-TR	kate is a fine editor
[23:21]	DaemonFC	Nobody is maintaining QtWebkit now.
[23:21]	schestowitz-TR	the gnome ones are nowhere near in functionality
[23:21]	DaemonFC	It's just piling up CVEs and nobody that I am aware of is fixing it.
[23:21]	schestowitz-TR	qtwebengineprocess
[23:21]	DaemonFC	KDE has turned into Windows in a number of ways, I mean, it's not proprietary, it's not stuffed full of spyware.
[23:21]	schestowitz-TR	I have ~12 such processes right now
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	konqueror and falkon
[23:22]	DaemonFC	But it's buggy and kind of bitrotting and it has three web engines now.
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	firefox spwans "Web"
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	and "Privileged"
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	"WebExtension"
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	and RDD
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	wth is RDD?
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	1.7mb of ram
[23:22]	DaemonFC	Well, it does have the sandbox, which tries to check its privilege. 
[23:22]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^ :)
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	one tab of firefox, 400mb of ram
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	tragedy.
[23:23]	DaemonFC	Vivaldi is just cranking out releases one after another.
[23:23]	DaemonFC	Putting in tons of features.
[23:23]	DaemonFC	Using less RAM for 100 tabs than Firefox uses for 20.
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	it's proprietary
[23:24]	schestowitz-TR	don't use firefox
[23:24]	DaemonFC	The problem here is that Firefox is basically dead in the water.
[23:24]	schestowitz-TR	bad yardstick
[23:24]	DaemonFC	They shit all over it now and it's a corpse.
[23:24]	schestowitz-TR	mozilla is a political party that wears firefox on its sleeve
[23:24]	DaemonFC	It's a corpse that they shit on.
[23:24]	DaemonFC	It's not a modern web browser.
[23:24]	DaemonFC	It's not even an efficient one.
[23:24]	DaemonFC	And it isn't Free.
[23:24]	DaemonFC	And damn Debian for putting it in there anyway.
[23:24]	schestowitz-TR	not anymore, not fully
[23:25]	schestowitz-TR	anyway,. try falkon
[23:25]	DaemonFC	And triple damn whoever made "gnome" depend on it.
[23:25]	schestowitz-TR	or palemoon
[23:25]	DaemonFC	They could have iceweaseled it again.
[23:25]	schestowitz-TR	fore what?
[23:25]	DaemonFC	Ripped out the spam and spyware and trash and drm.
[23:25]	schestowitz-TR	trademarks?
[23:25]	schestowitz-TR	they made firefox-esr
[23:25]	DaemonFC	Mozilla insists on those or you can't call it Firefox.
[23:25]	DaemonFC	So rip it all out and don't call it Firefox.
[23:26]	DaemonFC	Tear it all down until the only parts left are FOSS.
[23:26]	schestowitz-TR	to avoid some of the unwanted crap, feature churn, and version inflation
[23:26]	DaemonFC	Yes, well, they could take the Firefox ESR code and build it as IceWeasel with none of the garbage.
[23:26]	DaemonFC	They can even patch out Clownflare like OpenBSD does.
[23:27]	schestowitz-TR	debian 10 says version of firefox 78 is now ready 
[23:27]	DaemonFC	Someone needs to either correct this or dump it.
[23:27]	DaemonFC	Debian 11 has Firefox 78.15.
[23:27]	MinceR	10 001713 < DaemonFC> Because if you tell people none of their favorite stuff is likely to run, then it's a non-starter.
[23:27]	MinceR	telling people to switch to GNU/Linux is what landed us in this mess, with systemd
[23:27]	schestowitz-TR	I am updating my system now
[23:27]	DaemonFC	The upside to this is a lot of the stuff people run today is on the web anyway.
[23:28]	DaemonFC	Which is a problem, but not as big a one as Microsoft.
[23:28]	schestowitz-TR	no idea why it pushes apache2 to my laptop
[23:28]	schestowitz-TR	also mariadb
[23:28]	DaemonFC	Microsoft's whole goal is to patent tens of thousands of things.
[23:28]	DaemonFC	Then say nobody else can use those things because it violates their imaginary property.
[23:29]	DaemonFC	Then 20 years later, you can finally use subpixel font antialiasing and MP3s, right in time for them to become irrelevant.
[23:29]	schestowitz-TR	[23:27] <MinceR> telling people to switch to GNU/Linux is what landed us in this mess, with systemd
[23:29]	schestowitz-TR	untrue
[23:29]	DaemonFC	You know, that's how the patents work, and that's what they're meant to do.
[23:29]	schestowitz-TR	IBM did not make it for mass adoption by 'ples'
[23:29]	schestowitz-TR	sorry, I meant  slaves
[23:29]	schestowitz-TR	it made systemd because LP wants to control more units of the system
[23:29]	DaemonFC	The patents are equal parts stall tactics to hamstring competition and a lawyer-based attack to steal money from other companies and people.
[23:30]	schestowitz-TR	I imagine ibm pays him 200k/year
[23:30]		*activelow is fighting with gnome/gtk/x11 dependency hell currently
[23:30]	schestowitz-TR	IBM: say slavs
[23:30]	schestowitz-TR	not slaves
[23:30]	MinceR	attracting the sort of idiot that develops for windows to GNU/Linux is what resulted in all these crap designs and all this crap code
[23:30]	schestowitz-TR	slaves is racism
[23:30]	schestowitz-TR	slavs is not
[23:30]	MinceR	and the idiot users helped justify it
[23:30]	schestowitz-TR	even though many slaves exist outside the racial context
[23:30]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Well, schestowitz-TR is using KDE apparently, and they already have a lot of bugs.
[23:30]	MinceR	"if it's like windows, it's modern, and that's what everyone's goal should be"
[23:31]	DaemonFC	It's impossible to properly debug something that has thousands of possible combinations of options.
[23:31]		*activelow wouldn't recommend KDE either
[23:31]	DaemonFC	If you use it this way, no bug!
[23:31]	DaemonFC	You use it that way, bug!
[23:31]	MinceR	it's actually possible to properly debug it, if it's properly designed
[23:31]	schestowitz-TR	not true, ime
[23:31]	DaemonFC	And you can't necessarily, easily, describe what to do to make the bug happen.
[23:31]	MinceR	separate the parts from each other properly, then you can test them separately
[23:31]	DaemonFC	I think that's partially why KDE is a mess.
[23:31]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: which ver did you last try?
[23:31]	schestowitz-TR	the 5.20+ versions are very fine and stable
[23:32]	schestowitz-TR	hardly even visual bugs
[23:32]	DaemonFC	And part of that is that they did this splitting of the "frameworks" and "desktop" and "applications.
[23:32]	MinceR	i don't think i've heard anyone complain that, say, shells or CLI tools are impossible to debug because there's an infinite number of possible shell scripts.
[23:32]	DaemonFC	Which is fucking crazy because nobody wants it like that.
[23:32]	MinceR	schestowitz-TR: 4.3, probably
[23:32]	schestowitz-TR	they aim at mobile, too
[23:32]	MinceR	that's when i got sick of KDE
[23:32]	schestowitz-TR	it's a big market
[23:32]	DaemonFC	And then there's a million ways to jam it together and they say they support them all, but come on.
[23:32]	MinceR	and i got sick of waiting for them to unfuck what worked properly in 3.5
[23:32]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: yes, that one still sucked
[23:32]	MinceR	and then they announced 5.x would depend on systemd
[23:33]	schestowitz-TR	gentoo removes that
[23:33]	MinceR	at this point, i don't expect the KDE project to survive for long
[23:33]	DaemonFC	Oh I remember when Fedora pushed an update that completely broke logging out and shutting down.
[23:33]	MinceR	http://islinuxaboutchoice.com/
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[23:33]	MinceR	reminder: these people control systemd, gnome and systemd distributions
[23:33]	DaemonFC	And I had to use shutdown now from a terminal until Kevin Kofler wrote a patch to have systemd-logind handle it.
[23:33]	schestowitz-TR	it's good we all disagree so much
[23:33]	schestowitz-TR	because it means we have many variants
[23:33]	MinceR	getting to choose gnome vs KDE is a choice, and therefore it's going away
[23:33]	schestowitz-TR	and it's hard to undermine
[23:34]	schestowitz-TR	canonical, suse, and ibm can go under
[23:34]	schestowitz-TR	and we still have working systems
[23:34]	schestowitz-TR	google will still do its crap with chromeos
[23:34]	schestowitz-TR	and we can ignore them
[23:34]	DaemonFC	Think GNOME will survive IBM and Canonical collapsing?
[23:34]	MinceR	oh, also, the above people also control KDE via systemd
[23:34]	DaemonFC	Eh, I guess it was around before them.
[23:34]	MinceR	and via proprietarydesktop.org
[23:34]	schestowitz-TR	the workers will still hack on them
[23:35]	DaemonFC	Early GNOME was still kind of a hacker's plaything.
[23:35]	schestowitz-TR	maybe in another company like blue systemd
[23:35]	MinceR	hacking on gnome isn't going to fix gnome's design
[23:35]	DaemonFC	Then people came along from the corporate world and "sponsored" them to do this to it.
[23:35]	schestowitz-TR	gnome is not for me
[23:35]	schestowitz-TR	some people like gnome, i'm ok with that
[23:35]	DaemonFC	So in some ways we're better off and some ways we're not.
[23:36]	MinceR	i don't see how we could possibly be better off with macOSesque gnome vs actually usable gnome
[23:36]	schestowitz-TR	in the meantime windows is going nowhere
[23:36]	DaemonFC	I always end up installing GNOME.
[23:36]	schestowitz-TR	SP version inflations
[23:36]	DaemonFC	KDE has SO MANY BUGS.
[23:36]	schestowitz-TR	and now many moan that vista11 isn't working
[23:36]	DaemonFC	It's just you never know what will break next.
[23:36]	MinceR	i always end up installing fvwm
[23:36]	MinceR	or icewm
[23:36]	schestowitz-TR	or brings major slowdowns and nothing else
[23:36]	schestowitz-TR	I expected a LOT more of a media blitz
[23:37]	schestowitz-TR	maybe even Microsoft's marketing (bribe) budget has run thin
[23:37]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Windows 11 is a disaster and they try to scream over what's actually going on. Installation failures and "bugs" that make fast computers that are supposed to run it fine slower than hell.
[23:37]	schestowitz-TR	I literally opened rss reader, put windows in filter, prepared to see spam, found almost nonse
[23:37]	DaemonFC	I think that GNOME has improved a lot in the past few years.
[23:37]	schestowitz-TR	they did tons of press spamming when there was a fake 'leak'
[23:37]	schestowitz-TR	and then 'build'
[23:38]	MinceR	maybe the redmond mafia spread itself too thin
[23:38]	schestowitz-TR	lots of vapourware back then
[23:38]	DaemonFC	Like, literally the Shell alone used to leak until it was taking up over a GB of memory all by itself.
[23:38]	schestowitz-TR	not this past week
[23:38]	DaemonFC	Lately, it hasn't been leaking.
[23:38]	DaemonFC	They trimmed it down a lot.
[23:38]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: good that you like gnome
[23:38]	schestowitz-TR	if you want awesome coding editor, kate
[23:38]	schestowitz-TR	decent browser, falkon
[23:38]	schestowitz-TR	family-friendly
[23:39]	DaemonFC	GEdit has syntax highlighting.
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	some people just want ubuntu+gnome+chromium+MS Minecraft
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	we need to lead them away from those
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	Steam also
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: when I last tried Gedit it lacked the features of kate... that's an understatement
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	gnome keeps things too simple for me
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	I even install kate inside gnome
[23:40]	MinceR	or we need to leave them there so the corporations that are trying to kill off computing will be busy making those suck even harder
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	and qupzilla
[23:40]	MinceR	instead of trying to take down the next OS
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	we have parallel OSes
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	sucky Linuxes
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	and hacker Linuxes
[23:40]	DaemonFC	Last time I used Kate, I couldn't even use the spell checker for some reason.
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	the latter sometimes lack systemDehomag
[23:41]	MinceR	there's one Linux and its days are numbered
[23:41]	schestowitz-TR	then you have android and crhomeos
[23:41]	schestowitz-TR	I'm not so interested in them
[23:41]	DaemonFC	It seems like post-qupzilla it turned into let's just jam dependencies on KDE in here that it never needed before.
[23:41]	MinceR	Linus is on a leash, the other developers don't care or have already departed
[23:41]	schestowitz-TR	but they kill off Microsoft's air supply
[23:41]	MinceR	there's an SMB server in the kernel
[23:41]	DaemonFC	Because fuck everyone who wants to use this and doesn't have KDE.
[23:41]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: it's a KDE browser
[23:41]	schestowitz-TR	with builds for other OSes
[23:42]	schestowitz-TR	the monolithic way
[23:42]	schestowitz-TR	I use almost all kde features
[23:42]	DaemonFC	Well, even within a GNU/Linux distribution, different desktop environments in some ways are _almost_ like their own operating systems.
[23:42]	schestowitz-TR	so falkon intergrates well
[23:42]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: those are the biggest component of the OS
[23:43]	MinceR	yeah, for example gnome doesn't want your applications to work anywhere else
[23:43]	schestowitz-TR	the application and presentation
[23:43]	schestowitz-TR	linux is mostly simple crap and drivers
[23:43]	MinceR	https://imgur.com/pYuj8tW
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[23:43]	altlink_48f	 imgur.com is Cloudflare domain.
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[23:43]	schestowitz-TR	lots of stuff plugged into linux, but it's just another kernel
[23:43]	schestowitz-TR	gnu is lots of glue below the applications
[23:43]	schestowitz-TR	KDE IS the OS
[23:43]	schestowitz-TR	or the distro is the OS
[23:44]	schestowitz-TR	and its face is the DE
[23:44]	MinceR	KDE is a poorly tolerated mod for the GNOME OS
[23:44]	schestowitz-TR	they use similar services
[23:44]	schestowitz-TR	but that's just decent arhitecture
[23:44]	schestowitz-TR	like CUPS
[23:44]	schestowitz-TR	no need to split those
[23:45]	schestowitz-TR	IBM is dying fast enough to not eradicate alternative init systems
[23:45]	schestowitz-TR	Debian has alternatives like Devuan and Heads
[23:45]	schestowitz-TR	so in effect there are already some alternatives in place, and many people use these...
[23:45]	schestowitz-TR	Snap is failing
[23:45]	MinceR	systemd is a component of GNOME OS
[23:46]	MinceR	KDE people love it
[23:46]	schestowitz-TR	flatpak is not succeeding either
[23:46]	activelow	systemd is one issue among many others with graphical desktop components
[23:46]	MinceR	heads hasn't been updated in ages
[23:47]	MinceR	devuan doesn't have the manpower to build an openssh-server that doesn't depend on libsystemd0
[23:47]	schestowitz-TR	you know I'm pessimistic, but I am an optimist about the future of this OS because the proprietary ones are not able to sustain themselves
[23:47]	schestowitz-TR	they collapse under their own weight and complexity
[23:47]	schestowitz-TR	apps and "mobiles" are a bloody joke
[23:47]	schestowitz-TR	they're technically computers
[23:47]	MinceR	there are other free OS-es
[23:47]	schestowitz-TR	like a theormostate is
[23:48]	MinceR	actually free, not puppeted around by dehomag and the redmond mafia
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	if your life it about uploading selifies and pressing  likes on made-up 'news'
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[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	openssh-server does not need systemd
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	openssh-server is cross platform
[23:49]	activelow	there is some other weird dependency graphs, for SVG/icons, cairo vector graphics
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	heads was more like proof of concept
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	it can re-emerge any time
[23:49]	activelow	the code paths for directfb have been deactivated everywhere
[23:49]	DaemonFC	Yeah, there's been GNU/Solaris and GNU/BSD.
[23:49]	DaemonFC	And even GNU/Darwin.
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	there is hurb/debian 11
[23:50]	schestowitz-TR	and almost nobody mentioned it
[23:50]	DaemonFC	There still is a Pure Darwin OS I think.
[23:50]	activelow	next escalation: GTK4 depends on opengl-renderer presence, with it clang/llvm monstrosity, and almost always proprietary GPU
[23:50]	schestowitz-TR	hurd doesn't do systemd
[23:50]	activelow	gtk1/2 didn't require any of this
[23:50]	DaemonFC	It's the Darwin kernel with GNU on top and I think it runs GNOME and KDE.
[23:50]	MinceR	10 004843 < schestowitz-TR> openssh-server does not need systemd
[23:50]	MinceR	debian's package of it, however, does
[23:50]	schestowitz-TR	we have lots of kernels now
[23:50]	schestowitz-TR	linux has the most devices drivers
[23:50]	schestowitz-TR	*device
[23:50]	MinceR	10 005008 < schestowitz-TR> hurd doesn't do systemd
[23:50]	MinceR	yet.
[23:51]	activelow	the DRI/DRM graphics stack poisons kernel too... thing is graphical desktop did NOT need any proprietary "acceleration" for decades
[23:51]	DaemonFC	HURD Herp Uhhh RRRRRP DERP.
[23:51]	MinceR	they're working on it
[23:51]	schestowitz-TR	they can get momentum
[23:51]	DaemonFC	HURD doesn't do much except crash a lot.
[23:51]	MinceR	it will get workse
[23:51]	schestowitz-TR	if LF pisses off enough kerner hackers and pentagon 'tech' companies go under
[23:51]	MinceR	s/ks/s/
[23:51]	schestowitz-TR	the US as a whole is going the way of the dodo
[23:51]	MinceR	Linux kernel hackers aren't doing shit
[23:51]	MinceR	if they cared, they would have forked Linux already
[23:51]	activelow	i think i can reactivate gtk2+directfb
[23:52]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> the US as a whole is going the way of the dodo
[23:52]	DaemonFC	Why are you laughing? You're 20 years ahead of us.
[23:52]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: they need many others to have similar motivations
[23:52]	activelow	and then check, what's available with gtk2
[23:52]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: mjg59_ tried to 'fork' linux in MS github
[23:52]	schestowitz-TR	kernel.org not proprietary enough for him
[23:52]	DaemonFC	China's economy got bigger than yours not that long after the Hong Kong handover.
[23:52]	activelow	didn't some projects fork gnome because of gtk3?
[23:52]	activelow	mate desktop iirc
[23:52]	MinceR	garrettux wouldn't have gotten rid of the CoC, nor of corporate control
[23:52]	DaemonFC	It took it another 21 years to overtake the total size of ours.
[23:53]	MinceR	it was an attempt to enforce both
[23:53]	DaemonFC	But Purchasing Power Parity is about 5 times lower.
[23:53]	MinceR	but now hartmanux does it all
[23:53]	schestowitz-TR	there are already forks of gnome2
[23:53]	schestowitz-TR	no need for more
[23:53]	schestowitz-TR	they need to deletegithub though
[23:53]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Also, a lot of their growth is fake.
[23:53]	MinceR	gnome2 was forked, but it was pointless, as gnome2 was already crap
[23:53]	DaemonFC	They're starting to have those old age colony problems of Japan and those US-like banking and real estate scandals spilling out.
[23:54]	DaemonFC	So maybe they're in trouble too? Lots of decaying infrastructure that was built by communists.
[23:54]	DaemonFC	Fast and cheap and now damns burst and kill thousands in one go.
[23:54]	schestowitz-TR	in US
[23:54]	schestowitz-TR	not in china
[23:54]	schestowitz-TR	maybe in china too
[23:54]	schestowitz-TR	US ir rotting away
[23:54]	schestowitz-TR	detroit ahead of the curve
[23:54]	DaemonFC	Some of the US is.
[23:55]	DaemonFC	It's really unfair to judge the entire country by a dying region.
[23:55]	schestowitz-TR	22 billion dollars for HOLOLENS
[23:55]	schestowitz-TR	for supposed 'army' contract
[23:55]	DaemonFC	The midwest is doing badly, because the fucking idiot Democrats chased everyone out with crime and high taxes.
[23:55]	schestowitz-TR	army that cannot win against taliban!
[23:55]	DaemonFC	And all of the people who are worth a bag of beans are heading south or west or east.
[23:55]	schestowitz-TR	damn those dams
[23:55]	schestowitz-TR	let them fall
[23:55]	schestowitz-TR	worry about the floods later
[23:56]	MinceR	let the bodies hit the floor?
[23:56]	schestowitz-TR	[23:55] <DaemonFC> It's really unfair to judge the entire country by a dying region.
[23:56]	schestowitz-TR	it's not unfsair
[23:56]	schestowitz-TR	you judge societies by how they treat the worst
[23:56]	DaemonFC	You know, Indiana used to be a fairly progressive state. Wanna know why it isn't now? Wanna know why it rots and gets state legislators that go herr derrr I got COVID and god saved me!?
[23:56]	schestowitz-TR	US executes many people
[23:56]	activelow	i am not forking gnome2
[23:56]	schestowitz-TR	and doesn't offer them basics like access to health
[23:57]	DaemonFC	Because once the progressives have raised taxes and caused a complete fucking mess, they bail on the state to live elsewhere and then start over.
[23:57]	DaemonFC	Then the state they left falls to the other fucking idiots.
[23:57]	schestowitz-TR	progressives?
[23:57]	schestowitz-TR	progressives by whose standard?
[23:57]	schestowitz-TR	corporate wall street?
[23:57]	DaemonFC	You know, the ones who are incredibly racist.
[23:58]	DaemonFC	BLM! But my company doesn't hire any blacks.... - mjg59_ 
[23:58]	schestowitz-TR	that;s not progressives
[23:58]	MinceR	the (slightly) less economical-right of the two parties in the USA that have a chance to control the government
[23:58]	DaemonFC	Also mjg59_: Blacks are stupid and can't be held accountable for anything they do.
[23:58]	DaemonFC	Also also mjg59_ Blacks are oppressed by a malignant evil invisible force of whiteness in general.
[23:59]	MinceR	they're also a member of the Progressive Alliance :>
[23:59]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: enough, you're just provoking
[23:59]	DaemonFC	With that attitude given to people, that they are not responsible for their actions and they're oppressed by invisible people who don't actually exist or wish them harm, sets them up to fail.