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psydroidmaybe people can't be trusted and/or depended onDec 09 00:05
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DaemonFC[m]scientes: How easy is it to walk across the border and claim asylum in Canada?Dec 09 00:37
DaemonFC[m]Well, I don't think they shoot at you. That's a good start.Dec 09 00:37
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: problem is also sending you back is normally not that expensive either.Dec 09 01:00
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scientesDaemonFC[m], don't go to CanadaDec 09 13:48
scientesand playinbg the victim is not a good strategy if you don't have to do itDec 09 13:48
scientesthat's a liberal non-sense thingDec 09 13:48
scienteswhiningDec 09 13:48
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psydroidthere is this guy who added me on Linkedin "for jobs in Canada once I have my degree"Dec 09 14:30
psydroidwell, I don't plan to ever move to Canada lolDec 09 14:30
scientesif you can go to the far north its probably quite interestingDec 09 14:31
scientescanada is giantDec 09 14:31
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psydroidsure, but I'll see thenDec 09 14:35
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scientesahhhhhhhhhhh, I need duolingo stories for RUssianDec 09 16:21
scientesi'm progressing so slowDec 09 16:21
scientesand that is what got me over the hump to being able to converse in SpanishDec 09 16:21
scientesthe problem is that native conversationg are just too hardDec 09 16:22
scientesalso these hostel are full of drug-heavy do-nothingsDec 09 16:22
scientesand loudDec 09 16:22
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schestowitzscientes: any family history in RU?Dec 09 16:29
scientesyesDec 09 16:31
scientesTetievDec 09 16:31
scientesUkraineDec 09 16:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Pre-release Survey []Dec 09 16:35
scientesugggh, wayland is sooo buggyDec 09 16:36
scienteslike firefox is always on top of other windowsDec 09 16:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DrStrom66: Fake news that @Microsoft loves @ubuntu. Here is why : 09 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | You Know WSL is Bad for GNU/Linux Because Anti-Linux People, Microsoft and Its Propagandists, Want People to Use That | TechrightsDec 09 17:06
psydroidit's been 10 years now and they still can't get it rightDec 09 17:08
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oiaohmscientes: really under wayland the compositor is deciding the application appearance position is so what compositor is that.Dec 09 17:23
oiaohmpsydroid: X11 never got perfectly right.Dec 09 17:23
psydroidoiaohm, sure, but Wayland is an implementation from scratch to overcome the shortcomings of X11, as far as I knowDec 09 17:24
psydroidso why is this still an issue?Dec 09 17:25
oiaohmWayland is designed to fix the major security flaws of the X11 design.   One problem.   OS X, Windows and X11 have some common security falws.Dec 09 17:25
oiaohmfalws/flawsDec 09 17:26
oiaohmSo you fix the under-layer and you have now broken all the applications on top in some way.   And you cannot make them work without code modifications without bring the security flaw back.Dec 09 17:26
oiaohmpsydroid: can you now see how this is one monster of a problem. Dec 09 17:27
oiaohmWayland is not just change the display manager its basically change all the applications todo it perfectly as well.Dec 09 17:28
psydroidoiaohm, so that means the applications themselves are brokenDec 09 17:29
psydroidI think that's what free software is good at, so the applications need to be fixed one at a timeDec 09 17:30
oiaohmand it all man power.Dec 09 17:31
oiaohmto be politically correct person power.Dec 09 17:32
oiaohmLot of free software projects are not highly over resourced in that department.Dec 09 17:32
samiamsamor just say labor hoursDec 09 17:32
oiaohmxwayland is being worked on as a stop gap.  Yes it brings back some of the security flaws of X11.Dec 09 17:32
samiamsamis there a vnc server for wayland that works like x11vnc?Dec 09 17:32
oiaohmThere is a RDP with wayland I know of in weston.Dec 09 17:33
samiamsami can ssh to a remote machine with a port forwarded, set DISPLAY, run x11vnc, and use the forwarded port to interact with the remote X serverDec 09 17:34
oiaohmsamiamsam: the vnc is not fully working yet.Dec 09 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop - GNOME Wiki!Dec 09 17:34
oiaohmThis is one of these things remote screen support is not going to be in the wayland protocol.Dec 09 17:35
oiaohmIt will be in pipewire that not that far distribution deployed.Dec 09 17:35
samiamsami just hope we don't start losing support for x11 before certain functionality is reimplementedDec 09 17:38
oiaohmx11vnc is really exploiting security flaw of X11 were any application can read the complete screen and fake input.Dec 09 17:39
oiaohmand read input.Dec 09 17:39
samiamsamthat's why i was askingDec 09 17:40
oiaohmSo that is why its having to work out how to do it completely different.Dec 09 17:40
oiaohmpipewire based screen casting will work with either X11 or wayland solutions.  It really does not care as it really going down to the raw drm interface and raw input interfaces.Dec 09 17:41
samiamsamwow does not work in w3mDec 09 17:41
samiamsamAccess deniedDec 09 17:41
samiamsamThe owner of this website ( has banned your access based on your browser's signature (5428c5713dea7e19-ua55).Dec 09 17:42
samiamsamwell that's only when it is clicked through searchDec 09 17:42
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oiaohmI did a google search and clicked through on and it worked for me.Dec 09 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PipeWireDec 09 17:43
samiamsam"PipeWire [...] aims to support the usecases currently handled by both PulseAudio and Jack"Dec 09 17:43
oiaohmPipewire started off as pulsevideo.   Now it working on replacing pulseaudio and jack and doing video routing.Dec 09 17:44
danielp3344cloudflare site... :'(Dec 09 17:45
samiamsamjack doesn't let two different system users use audio at the same time.  pulseaudio does, but requires every user mess with their configuration.  it's a total mess.  meanwhile every user can share the same network card without any configuration or daemon or anything.Dec 09 17:46
oiaohmsamiamsam:  fun part is the readme of it does not methion jack.Dec 09 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - PipeWire/pipewire: Mirror of the PipeWire repository (see 09 17:46
samiamsami bet they don't fix these problems :|Dec 09 17:46
samiamsamit's a big problem for me, i rely on the audio for system alarms for a medical device, that needs a daemon that runs without x running to make sure it always always always runs.  but i also want to be able to use audio on the desktopDec 09 17:47
oiaohmI don't think there is even a pipewire bug open to fix that.Dec 09 17:49
oiaohmGetting rid of the jackaudio/pulseaudio cat fight will be a good thing.Dec 09 17:50
samiamsamwhere is their bug tracker?Dec 09 17:51
oiaohmsamiamsam: sharing a network card is simple.   Everyone is send individual packets of data with a network that don't need to be mixed with each other.Dec 09 17:51
oiaohmAudio you have todo mixing somewhere.Dec 09 17:51
samiamsami don't think jack/pulse is a cat fight.  jack is fixing a problemDec 09 17:51
samiamsamoiaohm: that's not true, the wifi card has to mix together packets into transmission unitsDec 09 17:52
samiamsamhigher level packetsDec 09 17:52
samiamsami mean, for the wifi cardDec 09 17:52
oiaohmsamiamsam: the contents of the packets are not mixed with each other.Dec 09 17:52
oiaohmWhere the contents of the audio have to be.Dec 09 17:52
samiamsamthat does not mkae a huge differenceDec 09 17:52
oiaohmIt does in fact.Dec 09 17:52
samiamsam??Dec 09 17:52
scientesprobably some featureDec 09 17:53
scienteswayland is still betterDec 09 17:53
scientesfixes a bunch of old pesky bugsDec 09 17:53
scienteslike securityDec 09 17:53
scientesagainst keyloggers for exampleDec 09 17:53
oiaohmscientes: and problem is fixing those old pesky bugs creates a mountain of new bugs.Dec 09 17:53
samiamsamsecurity from your own system isn't too importantDec 09 17:53
scientesin x11 any application can be a keyloggerDec 09 17:53
samiamsamin any normal system, any application can steal all of your private data without key loggingDec 09 17:54
scientessamiamsam, yeah but you have to fix it to ever create a more sensible systemDec 09 17:54
scientessamiamsam, and there is a seL4-based securie window managerDec 09 17:54
samiamsamyou don't have to fix that thing firstDec 09 17:54
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samiamsambut ok.  it's fine to improve things.  it's just not too important to secure against your own applications.  especially when it's all free softwareDec 09 17:55
oiaohmsamiamsam:  pipewire issue list is here.Dec 09 17:55
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scientessamiamsam, yeah, but there is something to what android didDec 09 17:55
scienteseven if it means SELinux hellDec 09 17:55
oiaohmsamiamsam: think modern day webbrowsers wanting to let remote applications access your desktop web cam audio.....Dec 09 17:55
oiaohmsamiamsam: are you going to stop browing the web some point in the furture.   Or does desktop security need to lift by a major factor.Dec 09 17:56
scientessamiamsam, and the only reason we don't run a bunch of random apps these days is because we have web browsers to run untrusted codeDec 09 17:56
samiamsamoiaohm:  firefox already requests permissoin through the ui for thatDec 09 17:56
oiaohmsamiamsam: are you sure that permission dialog is not flawed.Dec 09 17:57
samiamsamoiaohm: i don't understand.  firefox has such permission from the system.  wayland cannot remove it from firefoxDec 09 17:57
samiamsamoiaohm: without breaking the functionalityDec 09 17:57
samiamsami'm not sure it's not flawed, but locking firefox out of those hardware devices at the os level isn't an improvementDec 09 17:58
scientessamiamsam, are you suggesting we go back to MMU-less systems?Dec 09 17:58
scientesbecause securiry against other apps on system doesn't matter?Dec 09 17:58
samiamsamscientes: lol, what?Dec 09 17:58
oiaohmpipewire can cut the video and audio out from under application by feeding it blank.Dec 09 17:58
scienteslets all run mac os 9Dec 09 17:58
samiamsamthe mmu is not for security from one user application against another running as the same userDec 09 17:58
samiamsamthe mmu enables users isolated from one another, and from the kernelDec 09 17:59
oiaohmsamiamsam: the system cutting off functionality to application does not have to break application.Dec 09 17:59
scientessamiamsam, who said all wayland apps are the same user?Dec 09 17:59
oiaohmCompletely.Dec 09 17:59
scientesor all x11 apps?Dec 09 17:59
oiaohmDevice access control is really OS thing not an application thing.Dec 09 17:59
samiamsamscientes: well they are, generally speakingDec 09 17:59
scientesonly due to security lazinessDec 09 18:00
samiamsamoiaohm: i think firefox is the right place to handle those permissions, because firefox knows which url is getting to access themDec 09 18:00
scientesthere are only sensible arrangementDec 09 18:00
samiamsamscientes: no, not only due to thatDec 09 18:00
scientesbut they require a trusted file managerDec 09 18:00
oiaohmsamiamsam: remember firefox is rendering a web page per process.Dec 09 18:00
scientesto pass around file handlesDec 09 18:01
samiamsamscientes: even on my local network, i use vnc extensively to remotely access machines, i do not use x11 protocol at all, because it sucks for many non-security related reasonsDec 09 18:01
oiaohmIf the OS provides the security firefox could ask on a per process base for the permissions to be granted.Dec 09 18:01
scientessamiamsam, well yeah, but its still a valid use caseDec 09 18:01
samiamsamscientes: i agree it's useful in principle, it's just not actually in anything like widespread useDec 09 18:01
scientesagreedDec 09 18:02
samiamsamoiaohm: there is very little actual benefit to that, also i don't think firefox is actually using a process per page, i think it has a certain number of "Web Content" processes that is not guaranteed to be as high as the number of pages or domainsDec 09 18:03
oiaohm For remote usage weston has started picking I headless.Dec 09 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wayland's Weston 8.0 Reaches Alpha With EGL Partial Updates, Headless OpenGL - PhoronixDec 09 18:03
scientessamiamsam, firefox could go alot further to sandbox things like image renderingDec 09 18:04
scientesit should use shared memory, a seperate process, and seccomd mode 1Dec 09 18:04
scientesbut linux just isn't a top priorityDec 09 18:05
scientesor seccomp mode 2 for mmap() and use memfdDec 09 18:05
oiaohmsamiamsam: firefox and chrome are both working in the direction of a process per webpage open.Dec 09 18:05
scientesoiaohm, not reallyDec 09 18:05
samiamsamyeah sure.  this is the thing with these security ideas.  all these obscure little things that don't matter.  in our society one person with initials mz has the keys to a billion locks, and we have a bunch of security experts worried about whether the locks can be picked, whether they can be smashed with a hammer, or pried with a wrench.  almost the only thing that matters is who has the keysDec 09 18:06
scientesfirefox is far more memory efficient that chrome partially because it DOESN"T do thatDec 09 18:06
oiaohmI have seen firefox spin memoy out of countrol as well because it does not do that yet as well.Dec 09 18:06
samiamsamheh, i run firefox in a cgroup with limited memoryDec 09 18:07
oiaohmprocess per webpage does push you base memory update up a bit.  But it also means trouble making webpage can detected and terimatinged simpley.Dec 09 18:07
oiaohmIt would be nice to be able to set cgroup memory limit per webpage.Dec 09 18:08
scientessamiamsam, that is pretty smartDec 09 18:09
oiaohmI saw a nasty way to kill a 4G machine with firefox.  Open the xml file that lists all the accountants in Australia who are registered.   Works out that file triggers firefox to consume about 36G of ram.Dec 09 18:11
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samiamsamit's kind of surprising that the linux oom killer still sucks in 2019Dec 09 18:14
scientessamiamsam, its a hard problemDec 09 18:14
scientesand Facebook did write their own OOM killerDec 09 18:14
scientesas did androidDec 09 18:14
samiamsamhmDec 09 18:15
scientesboth in user-spaceDec 09 18:15
oiaohmThe in kernel oomkiller is better than it was 10 years ago.Dec 09 18:16
oiaohmIt could still be better.Dec 09 18:16
oiaohmoom killer is a hard problem.Dec 09 18:16
scientes<oiaohm> It could still be better.Dec 09 18:16
scientesthat is a massive overstatementDec 09 18:17
scientes*understatementDec 09 18:17
oiaohmThe problem is really not simple.   System get overloaded with a important database you cannot go around randomally killing off stuff before items like that had chance to write out.Dec 09 18:17
oiaohmAlso Linux kernel overcommit of memory is because a lot of applications ask for memory they never use.Dec 09 18:18
oiaohmSo some of the reason oomkiller is so bad is applications are despicable.Dec 09 18:19
scientesit is also a NP complete problemDec 09 18:20
oiaohmReally I would love to see a nasty system that developers are forced to work with where OS can ask application to free it unused memory and if it does not application will get instant terminated even when memory is not low.Dec 09 18:21
samiamsamscientes: how do you define the problem?Dec 09 18:22
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scientessamiamsam, well the goal is to kill the most bad processDec 09 18:23
scientesthis is obviously an impossible thing to doDec 09 18:23
scientesbecause you don't have the data to know what the thing you are killing will also take downDec 09 18:24
scienteslike when you accidentally kill the display managerDec 09 18:24
samiamsamwell sure, that isn't an issue of algorithmic complexity thoughDec 09 18:27
samiamsameven with infinite compute time you can't know the consequences of killing a processDec 09 18:27
scientesyeah, but that is something a user-space OOM killer CAN knowDec 09 18:29
samiamsamuhDec 09 18:30
samiamsamwhat does user/kernel have to do with it?Dec 09 18:30
scienteskernel code can't be application-specificDec 09 18:31
samiamsamit can and is thoughDec 09 18:31
scientesit has to be general (unless you are an enterprise file system)Dec 09 18:31
samiamsamnoDec 09 18:31
samiamsamthere is like oom_adj and whatnot that is per-process oom settingsDec 09 18:31
scientes<scientes> because you don't have the data to know what the thing you are killing will also take downDec 09 18:32
scientes<scientes> like when you accidentally kill the display managerDec 09 18:32
scientesonly user-space can has this informationDec 09 18:32
samiamsamkernel knows all userspace informationDec 09 18:32
scientesthis is why android oom killer works so wellDec 09 18:32
scientesand simpleDec 09 18:32
samiamsamanyway i thought you were talking about algorithmic mechanism of acquiring knowledgeDec 09 18:32
samiamsamnot manually inputted knowledge (which can be input into kernel just as much as userspace though, so that doesn't matter)Dec 09 18:33
scientessamiamsam, you can't pass data at oom time, becuase kernel calling user-space is almost always a bad ideaDec 09 18:34
scientesthere are only two ways kernel calls user-spaceDec 09 18:34
scientesinit and modprobeDec 09 18:34
samiamsamyou don't need to call userspace, you provide a userspace interface for the knowledge to be put into the kernel, which is alreayd provided, oom_adj etc.Dec 09 18:35
samiamsamnot to say that the kernel can know as much as the android oom killer specifically, but in principle it could be made toDec 09 18:36
MinceRyou can tell they'll never get wayland right because they've been at it for 11 years and the design still sucksDec 09 18:36
samiamsamcertainly you could put a dependency graph into the kernel oom killer if you wantedDec 09 18:36
scientessamiamsam, but that only works for certain algorithmsDec 09 18:36
scientescertain heuristicsDec 09 18:37
scientessome heuristics can't use thatDec 09 18:37
samiamsamuser processes have no source of knowledge unavailable to kernel spaceDec 09 18:37
scientessamiamsam, yes they doDec 09 18:37
scientesnot security wise, but they doDec 09 18:37
scientesand actually that security is changingDec 09 18:38
scientessome arches are adding security on the kernel from accessing user-spaceDec 09 18:38
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What Free Software, FOSS, and Open Source Share in Common []Dec 09 18:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | National Indian Gaming Association - WikipediaDec 09 20:06
zoobab 09 20:09
Hail_Spacecakethis is probably a native american casino trade associationDec 09 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Manifestation contre le Brevet Logiciel Unitaire, jeudi 12 décembre à Bruxelles | Blog.FFII.orgDec 09 20:09
Hail_Spacecakebut I kind of hope it is a club for indian guys who play counterstrike and leagueDec 09 20:09
zoobabManifestation contre le Brevet Logiciel Unitaire, jeudi 12 décembre à BruxellesDec 09 20:12
schestowitzexcellentDec 09 20:15
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schestowitzzoobab: if there's an English version the word/awareness will spread furtherDec 09 20:17
*XRevan86 understood without translation that there will be a manifestation against something at December 12 in BrusselsDec 09 20:19
schestowitzBIll Gates gets another pie in the faceDec 09 20:20
XRevan86software patents?Dec 09 20:20
schestowitzThose tooDec 09 20:21
schestowitzand kidsDec 09 20:21
schestowitzfrom EpsteinDec 09 20:21
zoobabwill try to make an english oneDec 09 20:21
XRevan86 – ukrainophobia? %)Dec 09 20:22
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zoobab 09 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Demonstration against Unitary Software Patents thursday 12 dec in Brussels | Blog.FFII.orgDec 09 20:30
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zoobabUPC is the new banana republicDec 09 20:30
schestowitzDo you want to cross-post this in techrights?Dec 09 20:31
zoobabyesDec 09 20:32
zoobabgo for itDec 09 20:32
schestowitzcheersDec 09 20:33
schestowitzjust a moment...Dec 09 20:37
schestowitzalmost thereDec 09 20:37
MinceRthat's what she said.Dec 09 20:37
schestowitzjust did Daily LinksDec 09 20:37
schestowitzMinceR: better than premature --Dec 09 20:37
MinceR:>Dec 09 20:37
schestowitzusually the female is the one who needs waiting forDec 09 20:38
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schestowitzzoobab: "sofware patenting"Dec 09 20:40
schestowitztypoDec 09 20:40
zoobabwhere?Dec 09 20:44
XRevan86sofDec 09 20:44
schestowitz"The UPC Court"Dec 09 20:46
schestowitzThe C stands for courtDec 09 20:46
schestowitzFFII calls to demonstrate against Unitary Software Patents, the third attempt to impose software patents in Europe. Software patents are a threat to small- and medium-sized software companies that cannot defend themselves. The UPC (Unified Patent Court) is an international court made outside of the European Union, which would have the last word over the question of software patenting. The Court would favour “patent trolls” which steal Dec 09 20:48
schestowitzour jobs and extort money.Dec 09 20:48
zoobabupdatedDec 09 20:53
schestowitz cDec 09 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Demonstration Against Unitary Software Patents, Thursday 12 Dec in Brussels | TechrightsDec 09 20:54
schestowitzadded to 09 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - TechrightsDec 09 20:54
schestowitzalso to 09 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software Patents in Europe - TechrightsDec 09 20:54
schestowitzzoobab: thanks for helping fight this dragonDec 09 20:57
schestowitzfamily over this weekDec 09 20:57
schestowitzbut I will do an article about this later, maybe by morning time...Dec 09 20:57
schestowitzI have some EPO leaks or juicy detailsDec 09 20:58
schestowitzstrike comingDec 09 20:58
zoobabcan you add the "coporate terrorism" image to your post?Dec 09 20:59
zoobabI love itDec 09 20:59
schestowitzwhich one?Dec 09 20:59
schestowitzi gotta g2 bedDec 09 20:59
schestowitzmaybe laterDec 09 20:59
schestowitzleave details in ircDec 09 20:59
schestowitzgnDec 09 20:59
zoobabokDec 09 20:59
MinceR 09 21:25
danielp3344niceDec 09 21:27
DaemonFC[m]I got my sentence converted.Dec 09 22:20
DaemonFC[m]I'm no longer on probation. The rest is court supervision.Dec 09 22:20
MinceR 09 22:52
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: CongratulationsDec 09 22:55
MinceR 09 22:57
DaemonFC[m]Thank you.Dec 09 23:07
DaemonFC[m]This is the end of a very stressful 4 months where any wrong move would have meant jail time.Dec 09 23:08
MinceRcongratsDec 09 23:09
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR thank youDec 09 23:12
DaemonFC[m]Went better than I thought.Dec 09 23:12
DaemonFC[m]I asked the court to adjust the financial sentence to return the portion of the fine to cover the 8 months of probation I ended up not receiving.Dec 09 23:13
DaemonFC[m]So I didn't figure they would because who gets money back once the state has it?Dec 09 23:13
DaemonFC[m]The judge ruled that the clerk had to write a check for $450 and mail it to me. LolDec 09 23:14
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zoobabI have updated the french versionDec 09 23:25
zoobab 09 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Manifestation contre le Brevet Logiciel Unitaire, jeudi 12 décembre à Bruxelles | Blog.FFII.orgDec 09 23:25
zoobabwith 15 points on why the UPC should be rejectedDec 09 23:26
DaemonFC[m]> this is probably a native american casino trade associationDec 09 23:28
DaemonFC[m]"We'll call ourselves the National Indian Gaming drawback, the abbreviation is NIGA."Dec 09 23:28
MinceRNIGA pleaseDec 09 23:30
DaemonFC[m]😁Dec 09 23:30
DaemonFC[m]He got it.Dec 09 23:30
DaemonFC[m]Err, AssociationDec 09 23:30
DaemonFC[m]I botched my own joke there.Dec 09 23:31
DaemonFC[m]MinceR It was based on one in Red Dwarf anymore.Dec 09 23:31
DaemonFC[m]The first polymorph episode.Dec 09 23:31
MinceRi haven't seen Red Dwarf yetDec 09 23:31
DaemonFC[m]Rimmer has his anger sucked out and gets turned into a hippy.Dec 09 23:32
DaemonFC[m]"I say the time for talk is over. This is a time for action. Call me radical, but I say we hit it fast and we hit it hard with a major, and I do mean major, leaflet campaign.".Dec 09 23:33
DaemonFC[m]"Now we'll need a name. I had the idea of the Committee to Liberate and Integrate Terrifying Organisms and Reintegrate them Into drawback...the abbreviation is CLITORIS.".Dec 09 23:34
MinceRlolDec 09 23:35
DaemonFC[m]Or something like that. Been a while.Dec 09 23:35
MinceRThe full name of the compiler is "Compiler Language With No Pronounceable Acronym," which is, for obvious reasons, abbreviated "INTERCAL."Dec 09 23:37
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I call my husband's sister "The Cell".Dec 09 23:46
DaemonFC[m]Reference to a movie whose tagline was about entering the mind of a psychopath.Dec 09 23:46
MinceR:>Dec 09 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Her name is Cel, so I thought it was funny, even though the movie isn't that great.Dec 09 23:47
MinceRthey can Cel anything to her, apparentlyDec 09 23:47
DaemonFC[m]MinceR one of the prosecutors looked like the ascended part of Anubis in SG1. So I kept track of him in my head as Anubis.Dec 09 23:48
DaemonFC[m]And the other one looked like Dustin Hoffman.Dec 09 23:48
DaemonFC[m]So when I told my attorney to go talk to Dustin Hoffman about something, he looked at me. I said, "The prosecutor that looks like Dustin Hoffman. I don't know their names because I'm not going to go over and talk to the state without you even to find that out.".Dec 09 23:49
DaemonFC[m]MinceR During the Two Minutes Hate phone call where his family was shouting obscenities in the phone, they kept saying "Fucking psychotic! Take your meds fucking psychotic!".Dec 09 23:51
DaemonFC[m]I said, "If a psychiatrist overheard this, you'd be getting a thorazine injection and taking a little nap, so I don't know how any of this is an insult to me.".Dec 09 23:52
MinceRlolDec 09 23:53
DaemonFC[m]"Well, we know what to get you for Christmas. A double lobotomy and 12 rolls of rubber wallpaper.". Another great one from Red Dwarf.Dec 09 23:53
MinceRlolDec 09 23:53
DaemonFC[m]MinceR They were always rude to me. I baked some desert for Thanksgiving.Dec 09 23:55
DaemonFC[m]After they stuffed me and my husband into the other room except to check to see if I was stealing the silverware, they totally ignored my pie and cream cheese pumpkin roll.Dec 09 23:55
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I used one of Jim Carey's lines on my former landlord's husband when he came to his wife's defense.Dec 09 23:59
DaemonFC[m]"Gee Dave, I figured you would have a sense of humor. After all, you married her.".Dec 09 23:59

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