●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, December 09, 2021 ●●
● Dec 09
[00:00]	schestowitz	never ttust what a phama companies say about their OWN products
[00:00]	schestowitz	with patents that make lying alluring
[00:00]	schestowitz	and media manipulation affordable and seductive
[00:00]	activelow	a vaccine cannot be qualified with a simple percentage; this is complete nonsense, quackery.
[00:00]	activelow	it is like saying you could measure time with a thermometer
[00:00]	schestowitz	the vaccines were developed with our money
[00:00]	schestowitz	they should be be patented
[00:00]	schestowitz	but affortable
[00:00]	schestowitz	and tested by the state, not companies
[00:01]	schestowitz	*should not be patented
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[00:01]	schestowitz	the for-profit companies and their motiveds undermine the policy
[00:01]	schestowitz	because they have financial incentive to NOT solve the crisis
[00:01]	schestowitz	but to prolong it
[00:01]	schestowitz	sad, but true
[00:02]	activelow	what's the time? 23deg fahrenheit. it's colder outside than during the night. 95% blah blah blah.
[00:02]	activelow	i want to see Chancellor Olaf Scholz, live on TV prime time, receiving his vaccination.
[00:03]	activelow	95% snake oil.
[00:03]	MinceR	then you'll say he received some other vaccine
[00:04]	MinceR	or saline
[00:04]	activelow	don't care, main thing, it must be effective, to cure hime once and for all.
[00:04]	immibis	schestowitz: it's almost like a company spent 20 years developing easily alterable vaccines starting from SARS 1.0
[00:04]	immibis	activelow: The numbers I'm hearing from antivax morons are that 90% of people are vaccinated but they still make up 50% of hospitalized people, would you roughly agree with that?
[00:05]	hyperreal	Jfc. I'm running Fedora Xfce and the power management isn't working right, so I'm extremely indecisive about what distro to use now
[00:05]	immibis	schestowitz: weekly ivermectin makes them even more money
[00:05]	MinceR	hyperreal: maybe try void
[00:05]	hyperreal	candidates are Void, NixOS
[00:05]	activelow	immibis: those who received their first injection of the miracle are accounted for as "unvaccinated" because they had not received their "booster" yet
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[00:06]	hyperreal	MinceR is Bedrock reasonably stable?
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[00:06]	immibis	activelow: and that is a problem because?
[00:06]	activelow	immibis: furthermore, eldery people were vaccinated first i heard rumors, and it is them being hospitalized more often on average.
[00:06]	immibis	if I install a quarter of Linux, and it doesn't boot, I can't call it a computer with Linux until I install the rest
[00:07]	MinceR	hyperreal: i haven't had any issues with it, but it isn't for the faint of heart
[00:07]	activelow	immibis: chances are they might have died from their first injection - IMPOSSIBLE to know. impossible to verify.
[00:07]	MinceR	hyperreal: bedrock lets you essentially merge multiple distros together
[00:07]	immibis	activelow: Golly gosh, I wonder why that is! I wonder why they would give priority vaccinations to the group that got severely sick the most!
[00:07]	MinceR	hyperreal: i don't recommend nixos because it's systemd-based
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[00:07]	immibis	activelow: People are probably dying from installing Linux as we speak
[00:08]	immibis	it's impossible to verify that installing linux is not killing people
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[00:09]	psydroid2	Linux kills people, let's make a group on Textbook about replacing it with Windows
[00:12]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: that's not about risk
[00:12]	activelow	a severe killer known is trombosis; eldery people often do NOT drink enough water, which may or may not be related.
[00:12]	schestowitz-TR	or safety
[00:12]	schestowitz-TR	we're talking about efficacy here
[00:12]	schestowitz-TR	among other angles
[00:12]	schestowitz-TR	(speaking for myself)
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[00:12]	schestowitz-TR	patent issues aren't a side issues
[00:12]	schestowitz-TR	ut a union of nurses called them "covid criminals"
[00:13]	schestowitz-TR	because it's wrong for them to be used to sell patent licences
[00:13]	activelow	reminds me, forcing elderies to eat and drink, even when doctors insist, is impossible, often. that's why some receive a probe into their stomach to provide them with nutrients and water.
[00:13]	schestowitz-TR	instead of treating people
[00:14]	activelow	immibis: now politicians boast about less excessive fatalities in germany, which makes me think how this could be related to enforced nutrient and water supply with a stomach probe.
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[00:15]	schestowitz-TR	psydroid2: clinical trials by "likes"
[00:15]	schestowitz-TR	"like" if you felt better
[00:15]	activelow	at least a stomach probe is relatively cheap. while a blood cleaning procedure (trombosis, which could be related to insufficient water intake, kidney malfunction, and blood containing toxins) is relatively expensive
[00:15]	schestowitz-TR	squint for double-blindn testing
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[00:15]	immibis	schestowitz-TR: well, efficacy is good enough that it makes a difference, and therefore at the very least, we should use it (all 4 shots) alongside other measures
[00:16]	immibis	There is some critical point, a critical amount of spread reduction, at which the pandemic simply goes away.
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	we have not had that yet
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	not in the UK
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	barely in the US
[00:16]	immibis	we don't know what that is, but if we reduce spread more and more we are more likely to approach it. Unfortunately we are plagued by neo-fascists, plague rats, literal traitors to human civilization, who vote with their actions to NOT reach that point.
[00:17]	schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/health/
[00:17]	TR Bot	Health
[00:17]	schestowitz	I use the official data only
[00:17]	activelow	in case of trombosis, oxygen supply was known to be ineffective occasionally due to lack of blood circulation, and dangerous even with intubation. not sure if elderies aged 80 or 90years should be intubated, or receive enforced nutrition.
[00:19]	activelow	the reason fatalities in saxony are high: aging population after millions of the young population left saxony after 1990.
[00:19]	activelow	in many regions more than 50% of the population reached retirement age.
[00:22]	immibis	don't know what you're talking about now. is it stupid anti-vax drivel or not?
[00:23]	immibis	get vaccinated, encourage everyone you know to get vaccinated, encourage vaccine mandates
[00:23]	immibis	wear masks, encourage everyone you know to wear masks, encourage mask mandates
[00:23]	immibis	work from home, encourage everyone you know to work from home, encourage wfh mandates
[00:24]	immibis	saying "vaccines are good but the government shouldn't mandate them" is a lot like saying "drunk driving is bad but the government shouldn't ban it"
[00:24]	activelow	none of this can prevent "excess hopsitalization", it didn't so far.
[00:24]	activelow	with regards to the corona spook.
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[00:27]	MinceR	no, saying "vaccines are good but the government shouldn't mandate them" is a lot like saying "i don't trust governments"
[00:27]	activelow	the uncontrolled distribution of vaccines from different vendors with dubious claims can pose a higher risk than none.
[00:27]	hyperreal	MinceR thanks
[00:27]	MinceR	np
[00:27]	hyperreal	MinceR I'm just curious, what are your main criticisms of systemd? (I
[00:27]	MinceR	though many governments would probably do a better job at it than the hungarian one
[00:27]	hyperreal	(I'm not trying to argue, just wondering)
[00:28]	activelow	i want to see Chancellor Olaf Scholz receiving his snake oil shot with 95% efficacy live on TV, . he is first.
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[00:28]	activelow	"mandatory vaccination", with corona in particular.
[00:28]	MinceR	hyperreal: it's being pushed on people who don't want it via microsoftesque tricks; it's designed to infringe on the users' freedoms; it's poorly designed, poorly implemented and very bloated, and isn't modular
[00:29]	MinceR	hyperreal: its development also churns the code in a way that makes forks impractical to maintain
[00:29]	MinceR	hyperreal: it's sold as an "init system", which it isn't; and it does the job of an init system very poorly
[00:29]	u-amarsh04	I gave up on systemd when it stopped allowing me to do remote reboots, exposing that it had not been tested in environments requiring remote restarts
[00:29]	MinceR	hyperreal: it can't boot reliably and it can't shutdown reliably
[00:30]	u-amarsh04	been on Devuan ever since
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[00:30]	XRevan86	u-amarsh04: What's a remote reboot? Via SSH?
[00:31]	u-amarsh04	like when you don't have physical access to the box, XRevan86 and need to do an init 6 to load a new kernel
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[00:31]	XRevan86	u-amarsh04: Sounds pretty standard. "systemctl reboot" and off ye go.
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[00:32]	MinceR	"systemctl reboot" and then ask someone to go to the server in the DC and hit reset when it gets stuck in "a stop job is running"
[00:32]	XRevan86	u-amarsh04: The systemd watchdog has a 2 minute timeout.
[00:32]	u-amarsh04	it may work now but it didn't before
[00:32]	MinceR	and then have them find the emergency prompt hidden on an inactive virtual console so that it can boot
[00:32]	MinceR	(the latter comes up _after_ the reboot, during the boot process)
[00:32]	immibis	activelow: You don't really want to see that. If you saw that, you'd just find another goalpost.
[00:33]	XRevan86	u-amarsh04: There's no real difference between remote and physical.
[00:33]	MinceR	and then hope it actually managed to start sshd so you can log back in
[00:33]	MinceR	sometimes it forgets to start stuff
[00:33]	immibis	you wouldn't get vaccinated no matter how many politicians you saw get vaccinated on TV. You'd demand proof it wasn't a placebo, for example
[00:33]	XRevan86	MinceR: I did get that issue, on OpenRC.
[00:33]	MinceR	sad
[00:33]	MinceR	does that repair systemd somehow?
[00:33]	hyperreal	MinceR I see
[00:34]	MinceR	i got the "a stop job is running" bullshit many times, and eventually the emergency bullshit came up with every boot
[00:34]	XRevan86	MinceR: WORKSFORME
[00:35]	psydroid2	"a botch job has been initiated"
[00:35]	MinceR	:>
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[00:36]	MinceR	XRevan86: maybe give runit or BSD init a try :>
[00:36]	TR News	Remarks on our publications from this morning and a call for more leakers and whistleblowers, who know #GitHub better than anybody else (including lots of fools who still outsource all of their hard labour to #Microsoft through GitHub) http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/microsoft-github-whistleblowers/
[00:36]	XRevan86	MinceR: Do they have a watchdog?
[00:37]	TR Bot	 A Call for Sources and Whistleblowers From Microsofts GitHub | Techrights
[00:37]	XRevan86	Or will they freeze if an initscript freezes?
[00:37]	XRevan86	now that'd be a problem with a remote reboot :)
[00:37]	MinceR	XRevan86: dunno, never had an issue with that
[00:37]	MinceR	probably because those scripts aren't overcomplicated :>
[00:38]	MinceR	in the case of BSD-style rc, most of the rc scripts run the same code anyway
[00:38]	XRevan86	MinceR: systemd services are crazy-simple, and ye still complain.
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[00:38]	MinceR	XRevan86: systemd code is very far from "crazy-simple", it's more crazy-complex
[00:39]	MinceR	no wonder it's full of bugs
[00:44]	schestowitz	https://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/xmgoat-open-source-pentesting-tool-for-azure/
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[00:44]	schestowitz	???
[00:44]	schestowitz	azure at linuxtoday
[00:45]	schestowitz	who deemed that relevant???
[00:45]	psydroid2	azuretoday
[00:45]	psydroid2	vistatoday
[00:45]	schestowitz	disappointed
[00:45]	MinceR	it's about azure
[00:45]	psydroid2	wsltoday
[00:45]	schestowitz	maybe micro larabel is next
[00:45]	MinceR	azure is a MICROS~1 disservice
[00:45]	MinceR	MICROS~1 owns a big chunk of the Linux-Destroying Foundation
[00:45]	MinceR	therefore the LDF has a vested interest in advertising XMGoat :>
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR	growing chunk
[00:46]	psydroid2	githugtoday
[00:46]	psydroid2	for those who are more socially inclined
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR	[22:07] <techrights-news> Yet more of Microsoft inside the 'Linux' Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158828#comment-32015
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[00:46]	schestowitz-TR	LF: let's quote Microsoft employees
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR	for our press releases
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR	they do it all the time
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR	makes one wonder...
[00:47]	psydroid2	they've figured out the only way they can stay relevant is if they take over the entire software industry based on free software
[00:48]	psydroid2	so even when vista goes away they will have their pawns in everything and can monetise that
[00:49]	psydroid2	it's evil, but you have to be if you can come up with a plan like that
[00:49]	activelow	immibis: exactly. which should be possible too, easily, depending on wether it was 95% snake oil or not. 
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[00:50]	activelow	let's make a TV series out of it: "cross vaccination series" part 1,2,3,4,5,6.... then they say they're ready; and get injected the real things to see if it protected them or not.
[00:51]	MinceR	you'd need a lot of people for that
[00:51]	MinceR	small samples aren't useful
[00:52]	immibis	activelow: You wouldn't be satisfied with seeing a politician get a somehow-provably-real vaccine (that is an impossible standard of proof by the way) on live TV.
[00:52]	immibis	activelow: You'd probably then just write it off as "well I'm younger and healthier than that politician so I don't need it"
[00:52]	activelow	immibis: such as this, once Chancellor Olaf Scholz was fully vaccinated according his *own* "recommendations"; then harvest some of the finest corona slime from some of the homeless who had benefit from the generous "social security" (olaf scholz was responsbile for)
[00:53]	activelow	immibis: i did NOT recommend either vaccination or none. i say it was and still is *impossible* to know or recommend anything.
[00:53]	immibis	oh, adding another 10-30% chance of failure to the proof standard, before resorting to the "well I don't need it anyway"
[00:53]	immibis	it's impossible to recommend linux, what if linus torvalds is secretly google?
[00:54]	MinceR	and i doubt that the reality TV format would work with such a large number of participants
[00:55]	immibis	activelow: available data shows vaccines are good. the exact level of good is up for debate. and it would be nice if they were even gooder. but you play the cards you are dealt
[00:55]	immibis	also you do not stop a pandemic by deliberately infecting people
[00:56]	immibis	that is like stopping climate change by burning all the oil so there's none left
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[00:56]	immibis	because people wanted you to see the oil get burned on live TV to prove it wasn't being used to generate electricity or move cars
[00:57]	activelow	good point, so far NONE of the supposed "climate change" action had any relevant effect, except for cash grabbing of the exact same type of politicians
[00:57]	activelow	btw. lock-down won't have any either
[00:59]	immibis	In order to prove we aren't using petrol cars we have to burn all the petrol on live TV. true or false
[00:59]	activelow	your choice, not mine.
● Dec 09
[01:00]	immibis	i think if you want to burn all the petrol on live TV to prove we aren't using petrol cars, you're a complete moron
[01:01]	immibis	and the same for coronavirus. if you want to infect as many people as possible on live TV in order to reduce infection
[01:01]	activelow	you said you wanted to.
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[01:01]	immibis	it's an analogy for your stupid idea
[01:01]	MinceR	there isn't a lot done about emissions from transportation of goods, industrial emissions or emissions from heating homes, afaict
[01:01]	MinceR	and those account for a lot more than what the talking heads usually target
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[01:01]	MinceR	oh, also, reduction of human population is also not promoted
[01:02]	MinceR	even though that would probably be the most effective means of reducing emissions
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[01:04]	immibis	activelow: why do you demand politicians specifically, why does it not matter that billions of people who aren't politicians are already vaccinated?
[01:05]	hyperreal	Going to install Void
[01:05]	hyperreal	Using the x86_64-musl image
[01:06]	schestowitz-TR	good luck
[01:06]	MinceR	+
[01:07]	activelow	immibis: it is their own recommendation to be injected with whatever this protect against
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[01:15]	immibis	activelow: they recommend injecting yourself with covid-19?
[01:17]	activelow	in germany? the current argument is "mandatory vaccination", otherwise working is not permitted anymore, and violating an testing or vaccination procedure is sanctioned with up to 25000Euros or 5years imprisonment.
[01:18]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/21120830
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[01:19]	immibis	activelow: good, they should've done it 3 months ago
[01:20]	activelow	maybe, however polticians had to be injected first, and then receive the real thing to verify the glorious 95% efficacy.
[01:21]	activelow	live on TV, in particular the real thing shouldn't be difficult to provide undeniable evidence for.
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[01:25]	MinceR	and yet it is
[01:25]	MinceR	how was that syringe filled?
[01:25]	MinceR	where are those bottles from?
[01:26]	MinceR	then you're looking at uncut footage of the vaccine being delivered to the vaccination point
[01:26]	MinceR	then of its manufacturing process
[01:27]	activelow	it's not yet clear how many seasons either... and how many injections are necessary to protect them and everyone else, to take responsibility and whatnot.
[01:27]	activelow	i mean, if Olaf Scholz wants 3 or more injections, to be certain he was protected, before receiving the real stuff.
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[01:29]	activelow	MinceR: another problem is this, because the Moderna stockpiles reached expiration date recently, 30 millions of this had to be injected before christmas.
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[01:30]	activelow	a tiny stash is required, to reliably supply those politicians and journalists; would be unfair if they missed any of their chance to be protected.
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[01:30]	MinceR	and then the question of what if it was someone else and the face was deepfaked comes up...
[01:31]	activelow	what have we: Moderna 2 shots, Pfizer 2 shots, AstraZenac1 1 shot, Johnson&Johnson 1 shot, Sputnik-V 2 shots.
[01:32]	TR News	#Kernel and Graphics: AMD and XWayland Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158903 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:32]	TR Bot	 Kernel and Graphics: AMD and XWayland | Tux Machines
[01:34]	MinceR	AstraZanac, eh?
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[01:35]	immibis	activelow: who says 95%? vaccinations are probably not 95% effective, probably not against omicron especially
[01:35]	immibis	activelow: and what is the problem with using stockpiles before they expire? are you worried that almost-expired vaccine is totally ineffective?
[01:36]	TR News	#PostgreSQL: Pgpool-II 4.3.0 is now released. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158904 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:36]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: Pgpool-II 4.3.0 is now released. | Tux Machines
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[01:38]	immibis	it is like there is food available for the homeless and you are demanding politicians eat it on live TV before fasting for 30 days to prove it prevents starvation
[01:39]	immibis	also you want this test to happen despite the fact the food expires next week
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[01:48]	activelow	immibis: i am only worried it will not protect our new Chancellor, 95%.
[01:49]	activelow	the recent recommendation was omicron was covered by the schedule, and Olaf Scholz insisted to get it.
[01:49]	immibis	activelow: Why are you specifically worried that Olaf Scholz will fall into the 5%?
[01:50]	immibis	what has he done to you to make you worry about his health so much?
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[01:52]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Mom got a free washing machine from Amazon.
[01:52]	DaemonFC	They said "Used Like New" and she got it and it's very obvious a forklift hit it.
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[01:53]	DaemonFC	So she took pictures and they gave her the money back, but it works, and so they just said keep it.
[01:55]	activelow	immibis: he is not the only one
[01:55]	activelow	i could easily imagine a mass event, for all those journalists and politicians, to receive their vaccines to protect themselves, in a tent outside soccer stadiums, just as they had recommended to do themselves.
[01:56]	activelow	and, it is mandatory! otherwise no permission to work, sanctioned with 25000Euros and 5years imprisonment. it is their own "recommendations" to protect themselves, not mine.
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[02:41]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-081221.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-081221.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-081221.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-081221.txt
[02:41]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, December 08, 2021
[02:44]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-12-08.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2021-12-08.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
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[03:23]	AdmFubar	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/amazon-is-shutting-down-web-ranking-site-alexacom/
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[03:23]	TR Bot	 Amazon is shutting down web ranking site Alexa.com
[03:24]	AdmFubar	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/tor-s-main-site-blocked-in-russia-as-censorship-widens/
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[03:24]	TR Bot	 Tors main site blocked in Russia as censorship widens
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[03:32]	TR Bot	double extortion business: Conti Ransomware Gang finds new avenues of negotiation | Blog | Darktrace
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[07:03]	AdmFubar	https://www.osnews.com/story/134313/apple-ceo-tim-cook-secretly-signed-275-billion-deal-with-china-in-2016/
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[07:03]	TR Bot	CEO Tim Cook secretly signed $275 billion deal with China in 2016 OSnews
[07:04]	AdmFubar	https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/apple-epic-app-payment-delay
[07:04]	TR Bot	won a court battle to delay changing the App Store - Protocol The people, power and politics of tech
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[07:13]		*Now talking on #techrights
[07:13]		*Topic for #techrights is: Techrights.org IRC discussions @ localhost | Channel #techrights for http://techrights.org [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. For scrollback see http://techrights.org/irc-channel/
[07:13]		*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~roy@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc at Fri Jun 18 16:51:47 2021
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[07:27]	schestowitz	Thu 07:11:16   AdmFubar https://www.pogowasright.org/au-where-does-the-anti-trolling-bill-take-us-if-anywhere-at-all-bye-bye-voller/
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[07:27]	schestowitz	Thu 07:11:44   AdmFubar https://www.pogowasright.org/the-popular-family-safety-app-life360-is-selling-precise-location-data-on-its-tens-of-millions-of-users/
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[07:54]	AdmFubar	https://www.darktrace.com/en/blog/how-one-email-took-down-a-logistics-company/
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[07:54]	TR Bot	one email took down a logistics company | Blog | Darktrace
[07:54]	AdmFubar	;)
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[08:57]	TR News	#Servers : Containers, #Istio , and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158905 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:57]	TR Bot	 Servers: Containers, Istio, and More | Tux Machines
[08:58]	TR News	#Debian and #Ubuntu Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158906 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:58]	TR Bot	 Debian and Ubuntu | Tux Machines
[08:58]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, December 08, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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[08:58]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[08:58]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[08:59]	TR News	 #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/09/irc-log-081221/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/09/irc-log-081221/
[08:59]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 | Techrights
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[09:01]	TR News	Ahead of court and amid arrest warrant #Microsoft still deems this a good idea? Then again, this same company works for ICE, helping to kidnap babies from their mothers http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/protecting-graveley-at-microsoft/
[09:01]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Corporation is Still Protecting a Violent Criminal Who Assaults Women (Employing Him as Manager, Protecting Him From Arrest, Paying Him a Salary) | Techrights
[09:01]	TR News	#Tails 4.25 launches new graphical backup tool http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158826#comment-32020 #gnu #linux #debian
[09:01]	TR Bot	 Tails 4.25 Anonymous Linux OS Released with New Backup Tool for Persistent Storage | Tux Machines
[09:01]	TR News	#TechStoney is promoting a #microsoft PASSWORD STEALER and #ProprietarySoftware #spyware here! https://www.itsfoss.net/endeavoros-4mlinux-mx-21-elementary-os-vscode-vivaldi/ don't do this to #gnu #linux users, please... http://techrights.org/2021/11/17/microsoft-password-stealer/
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[09:01]	TR Bot	4MLinux, MX-21, elementary OS, VSCode, Vivaldi - itsfoss.net
[09:01]	TR Bot	 Bruce Schneier: Microsoft Edge is Apparently a Password Stealer Too, Even on GNU/Linux | Techrights
[09:02]	TR News	 NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast # Industry Participants Discuss Security, Benefits of Internet-Connected Devices https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/12/industry-participants-discuss-security-benefit-of-internet-connected-devices/
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[09:02]	TR Bot	 Industry Participants Discuss Security, Benefits of Internet-Connected Devices : Broadband Breakfast
[09:10]	TR News	 NEWS #TheHill #Health #fb #facebook #Instagram chief gets bipartisan grilling over harm to teens https://thehill.com/policy/technology/584985-instagram-chief-gets-bipartisan-grilling-over-harm-to-teens
[09:10]	TR Bot	chief gets bipartisan grilling over harm to teens | TheHill
[09:12]	TR News	#Apple debuts new 'Open' 'Source' website, will release projects on #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/12/08/apple-debuts-new-open-source-website-will-release-projects-on-github #Openwashing
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[09:12]	TR Bot	debuts new Open Source website, will release projects on GitHub | AppleInsider
[09:13]	TR News	 NEWS #Tor #Privacy #Surveillance HAROI: Human Readable Authenticated Relay Operator Identifier https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2021-December/014688.html
[09:13]	TR Bot	 [tor-dev] HAROI: Human Readable Authenticated Relay Operator Identifier
[09:13]	TR News	 NEWS #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance How to keep some of your #Twitter data away from advertisers https://www.theverge.com/22534733/twitter-ads-advertisers-privacy-safety-how-to-data-privacy
[09:13]	TR Bot	 How to keep some of your Twitter data away from advertisers - The Verge
[09:14]	TR News	 NEWS #RFERL #Privacy #Surveillance #Russia Blocks Privacy Service #Tor In Latest Move To Control Internet https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-blocks-tor-internet/31599622.html
[09:14]	TR Bot	 Russia Blocks Privacy Service Tor In Latest Move To Control Internet
[09:15]	TR News	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Russia Blocks TorProject.org and Begins Blocking of Wider Tor Network https://torrentfreak.com/russia-blocks-torproject-org-and-begins-blocking-of-wider-tor-network-211208/
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[09:15]	TR Bot	Blocks TorProject.org and Begins Blocking of Wider Tor Network * TorrentFreak
[09:15]	TR News	 NEWS #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance #Instagram head says its bringing back the chronological feed https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/8/22824609/instagram-chronological-feed-adam-mosseri
[09:15]	TR Bot	 Instagram head says its bringing back the chronological feed - The Verge
[09:15]	TR News	 NEWS #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance How to create an NFT and why you may not want to https://www.theverge.com/22809090/nft-create-opensea-rarible-cryptocurrency-ethereum-collectibles-how-to
[09:15]	TR Bot	 How to create an NFT and why you may not want to - The Verge
[09:15]	TR News	 NEWS #PortSwigger #Confidentiality #uBlock , I exfiltrate: exploiting ad blockers with CSS https://portswigger.net/research/ublock-i-exfiltrate-exploiting-ad-blockers-with-css
[09:15]	TR Bot	 uBlock, I exfiltrate: exploiting ad blockers with CSS | PortSwigger Research
[09:22]	TR News	 NEWS #Neowin #freesw The #EuropeanCommission is making its software open source to benefit society https://www.neowin.net/news/the-european-commission-is-making-its-software-open-source-to-benefit-society/
[09:22]	TR Bot	 The European Commission is making its software open source to benefit society - Neowin
[09:23]	TR News	 NEWS #TheHill #Google files lawsuit against Russian [crackers] as part of disrupting botnet https://thehill.com/policy/technology/584704-google-files-lawsuit-against-russian-hackers-as-part-of-disrupting
[09:23]	TR Bot	files lawsuit against Russian hackers as part of disrupting botnet | TheHill
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[09:29]	TR News	 NEWS #FrontpageMag #Censorship RaymondIbrahim.com Banned as a Pornographic Website https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/12/raymondibrahimcom-banned-pornographic-website-raymond-ibrahim/
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[09:29]	TR Bot	Banned as a Pornographic Website | Frontpagemag
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[09:30]	TR News	 NEWS #TheTimesofIsrael #Censorship #israel Knesset advances bill censoring criminal #socialcontrolmedia posts https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-advances-bill-censoring-criminal-social-media-posts/
[09:30]	TR Bot	 Knesset advances bill censoring 'criminal' social media posts | The Times of Israel
[09:30]	TR News	 [Old] #TheLondonEconomic #Censorship English schools banned from using anti-capitalist material in #teaching https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/english-schools-banned-from-using-anti-capitalist-material-in-teaching-203307/
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[09:30]	TR Bot	 English schools banned from using anti-capitalist material in teaching
[09:33]	TR News	 NEWS #VOANews #PressFreedom Filipino, Russian Journalists to Receive Nobel Peace Prize in #Oslo https://www.voanews.com/a/philippine-russian-journalists-to-receive-nobel-peace-prize-in-oslo/6344800.html "The Norwegian Nobel Committee said it was honoring the pair for their efforts to safeguard press freedom."
[09:33]	TR Bot	 Filipino, Russian Journalists to Receive Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo
[09:33]	TR News	 NEWS #RTL #PressFreedom Nobel laureate Ressa urges journalists to defend their rights https://today.rtl.lu/news/world/a/1829999.html "Currently on bail pending an appeal against a conviction last year in a cyber libel case"
[09:33]	TR Bot	 RTL Today - Philippines: Nobel laureate Ressa urges journalists to defend their rights
[09:33]	TR News	 NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast #FreeSpeech Advocates Contemplate International Human Rights Obligations on Big Tech https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/12/free-speech-advocates-contemplate-international-human-rights-obligations-on-big-tech/ do not say "Big Tech": http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
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[09:33]	TR Bot	 Free Speech Advocates Contemplate International Human Rights Obligations on Big Tech : Broadband Breakfast
[09:33]	TR Bot	 Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights
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[09:34]	TR News	 NEWS #HollywoodReporter #DRM #FoxNews Ready to Go All-In On #Streaming If Pay-TV Decline Keeps Up https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/fox-news-streaming-fox-nation-1235059246/
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[09:34]	TR Bot	 Fox Nation to Stream Fox News if Cable Bundle Continues Decline The Hollywood Reporter
[09:34]	TR News	 NEWS #TheVerge #Copyrights #Copyright #Roku settles YouTube dispute and locks down apps in multi-year deal https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/8/22823949/roku-google-youtube-tv-deal-multiyear-extension
[09:34]	TR Bot	 Roku settles YouTube dispute and locks down apps in multi-year deal - The Verge
[09:34]	TR News	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Operation 'IPTV Special': 49 #IPTV Resellers Fined 10,000 Each https://torrentfreak.com/operation-iptv-special-49-pirate-iptv-resellers-fine-e10000-each-211208/
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[09:34]	TR Bot	'IPTV Special': 49 Pirate IPTV Resellers Fined 10,000 Each * TorrentFreak
[09:42]	TR News	 NEWS #DeSmog With Shell Abandoning the Cambo Project, the North Sea Urgently Needs a Serious Just Transition Plan https://www.desmog.com/2021/12/08/with-shell-abandoning-the-cambo-project-the-north-sea-urgently-needs-a-serious-just-transition-plan/ " #Cambo oilfield in the North Sea"
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[09:42]	TR Bot	Shell Abandoning the Cambo Project, the North Sea Urgently Needs a Serious Just Transition Plan - DeSmog
[09:46]	CParadoxum_	Is it just me or is it the case the with the latest patches to enable rust for linux the kernel has been fully co-opted?
[09:47]	CParadoxum_	This just opens the door for more sophisticated backdoors: How many contributers and maintainers even know rust at a glance? It's going to be very easy to insert unnoticable backdoors into the kernel.
[09:48]	CParadoxum_	Is it time to move to a BSD kernel or HURD?
[09:48]	schestowitz-TR	which patch?
[09:48]	schestowitz-TR	just rust?
[09:48]	schestowitz-TR	we wrote about the rust issue
[09:48]	schestowitz-TR	not so much a security issue, or not primarily that
[09:50]	schestowitz-TR	i think it would be unhelpful to paint it as an issue for these reasons
[09:51]	TR News	#Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158907 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:51]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[09:52]	TR News	 NEWS #Techdirt #NSOGroup #Apple Notifies More Victims Of NSO Malware Hacking Attempts https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211206/14453748064/apple-notifies-more-victims-nso-malware-hacking-attempts.shtml did Apple notify them also of Apple and NSA spying? No. That's "GOOD" spying...
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[09:52]	TR Bot	Notifies More Victims Of NSO Malware Hacking Attempts | Techdirt
[09:54]	TR News	Links 9/12/2021: Pgpool-II 4.3.0 and #EuropeanCommission Releases Free Software Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/09/european-commission-releases-free-software/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/09/european-commission-releases-free-software/
[09:54]	TR Bot	 Links 9/12/2021: Pgpool-II 4.3.0 and European Commission Releases Free Software | Techrights
[09:55]	TR News	 NEWS #Techdirt #Clearview Controversial Facial Recognition Company Calls Out Clearview, Demands It Ditch Its Database Of 10 Billion Scraped Images https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211120/18413947978/controversial-facial-recognition-company-calls-out-clearview-demands-it-ditch-database-10-billion-scraped-images.shtml
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[09:57]	TR News	#geminiProtocl proving handy for #programming or software development with #git gemini://git.omarpolo.com context: https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007667.html
[09:57]	TR Bot	 [users] Any live gmnigit capsules?
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[09:59]	TR Bot	Moderation Case Study: Twitter Briefly Restricts Account Of Writer Reporting From The West Bank (2021) | Techdirt
● Dec 09
[10:03]	CParadoxum_	schestowitz-TR: Hyperbola predicted this though: https://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-roadmap/
[10:03]	TR Bot	 Hyperbola - News: Announcing HyperbolaBSD Roadmap
[10:03]	CParadoxum_	Rust is non-free and relies on a centralized repo
[10:04]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[10:04]	CParadoxum_	Additionally, I've been more involved lately in Parabola GNU/Linux
[10:04]	CParadoxum_	The most problematic packages are Rust-based
[10:04]	CParadoxum_	Besides, it is (C++)++ basically
[10:04]	CParadoxum_	Word vomit of a syntax
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[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	c++  is standard
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	rust is rust
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	and it's dominated by certain companies
[10:11]	schestowitz	x https://www.zdnet.com/article/rust-takes-a-major-step-forward-as-linuxs-second-official-language/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
[10:11]	TR Bot	takes a major step forward as Linux's second official language | ZDNet
[10:11]	schestowitz	shilled by the corporates
[10:11]	schestowitz	zdnet
[10:16]	TR News	 NEWS #CreativeCommons Principles for License Enforcement published https://creativecommons.org/2021/12/08/principles-for-license-enforcement-published/
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[10:16]	TR Bot	 Principles for License Enforcement published - Creative Commons
[10:16]	TR News	 NEWS #DontExtraditeAssange #assange #wikileaks #uk #au Assange Christmas Card https://dontextraditeassange.com/post/assange-christmas-card/
[10:16]	TR Bot	 Assange Christmas Card - Don't Extradite Assange
[10:17]	TR News	Capturing and Correcting the Perfect Video Color Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158908 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[10:17]	TR Bot	 Capturing and Correcting the Perfect Video Color | Tux Machines
[10:20]	CParadoxum_	schestowitz-TR: I noticed that, I mean, a year ago I wanted to learn Rust
[10:20]	TR News	 NEWS #Tor #torproject New Release: #TorBrowser 11.0.2 https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-1102/
[10:21]	TR Bot	 New Release: Tor Browser 11.0.2 | The Tor Project
[10:21]	CParadoxum_	But after realizing that the word vomit that is called "Rust syntax" is worse then Java and C++ combined, I bailed out
[10:21]	schestowitz-TR	I used to be pro-rust
[10:21]	schestowitz-TR	maybe 3-4 years ago
[10:21]	CParadoxum_	I guess I'll move to Hyperbola from Parabola now, I don't think OpenBSD will get rusted soon
[10:22]	schestowitz-TR	when it was mozilla and young
[10:22]	schestowitz-TR	and mozilla was not yet a collapsing incubator of Gulag
[10:22]	schestowitz-TR	then rust also started banning/censoring microsoft critics
[10:22]	schestowitz-TR	a turning point
[10:23]	schestowitz-TR	and people stated complaining about suppressing of speech there
[10:23]	schestowitz-TR	I had already complained about shithub at this point
[10:23]	schestowitz-TR	esp. after Microsoft had taken over
[10:23]	CParadoxum_	schestowitz-TR: It's a hammer looking for a nail: We have static analysis tools, libraries (linked at compile time) to check for leaks and undefined behavior...etc 
[10:23]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[10:23]	schestowitz-TR	you can detect security issues
[10:23]	schestowitz-TR	it does not need to be built into the language
[10:24]	schestowitz-TR	people can intentionally write bad coded
[10:24]	schestowitz-TR	coe
[10:24]	CParadoxum_	After writing a lot of C code in the last year
[10:24]	schestowitz-TR	or even commit it for the NSA, obfuscated
[10:24]	schestowitz-TR	the solution is tooling, audit, better programming skills
[10:24]	CParadoxum_	I'm convinced, rust is made for JS idiots to do "systems programming"
[10:24]	schestowitz-TR	not 10k files form Microsoft shithub
[10:24]	schestowitz-TR	*from
[10:24]	CParadoxum_	Or as you said, for backdoor insertion
[10:25]	CParadoxum_	BTW, did you see this: https://github.com/mTvare6/hello-world.rs
[10:25]	TR Bot	- mTvare6/hello-world.rs: Memory safe, blazing fast, configurable, minimal hello world written in rust() in a few lines of code with few(1092) dependencies
[10:25]	CParadoxum_	rust in a nutshell
[10:26]	schestowitz-TR	"Why rust() while its only 1 line and depends on 600 c bind crates?"
[10:26]	schestowitz-TR	rust itself has many seucirty issues
[10:26]	schestowitz-TR	as noted before
[10:26]	schestowitz-TR	so it might claim to make your code safer
[10:26]	schestowitz-TR	but is rust itself safe?
[10:27]	schestowitz-TR	very high footprint and attack surface
[10:27]	TR News	 NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity #Canada Charges Its Most Prolific Cybercriminal https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/12/canada-charges-its-most-prolific-cybercriminal/
[10:27]	TR Bot	 Canada Charges Its Most Prolific Cybercriminal Krebs on Security
[10:27]	TR News	Jolla: Congrats UK, were back! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158909 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[10:27]	TR Bot	 Jolla: Congrats UK, were back! | Tux Machines
[10:28]	TR News	13 Best Free and Open Source Build Systems Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158910 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[10:28]	TR Bot	 13 Best Free and Open Source Build Systems | Tux Machines
[10:28]	TR News	A deep dive into Raspberry Pi Zero 2 Ws power consumption Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158911 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[10:28]	TR Bot	 A deep dive into Raspberry Pi Zero 2 Ws power consumption | Tux Machines
[10:32]	immibis	activelow: why are you so fake-concerned about the health of politicians and journalists that you intend to murder 0.1% (5% * 2%) of them?
[10:33]	CParadoxum_	schestowitz-TR: Especially this stupid use of static-linking everywhere
[10:33]	CParadoxum_	It's part of a bigger problem though
[10:33]	CParadoxum_	Look at Go
[10:33]	CParadoxum_	"containerization", flatpak, snaps...etc
[10:34]	CParadoxum_	Security theatre
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[10:43]	TR News	 NEWS #Techdirt #Privacy #Life360 Scandal Once Again Shows Nobody In The U.S. Actually Wants To Fix Our Rampant Privacy Problems https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211207/06234848069/life360-scandal-once-again-shows-nobody-us-actually-wants-to-fix-our-rampant-privacy-problems.shtml
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[10:43]	TR Bot	Scandal Once Again Shows Nobody In The U.S. Actually Wants To Fix Our Rampant Privacy Problems | Techdirt
[10:45]	TR News	 NEWS #Techdirt #Copyright #Copyrights GulagTube Copyright Transparency Report Shows The Absurd Volume Of Copyright Claims It Gets https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211207/14303048073/youtube-copyright-transparency-report-shows-absurd-volume-copyright-claims-it-gets.shtml do not outsource video hosting
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[10:53]	TR News	#linux #kernel + #rustlang = more #monopolies https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.heise.de/news/Linux-Kernel-Rust-Entwicklung-schreitet-mit-neuer-Edition-voran-6287775.html see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/
[10:54]	schestowitz-TR	CParadoxum_: yes, exactly!!
[10:55]	CParadoxum_	This isn't good at all
[10:55]	CParadoxum_	Apparently Linux-Libre scrubs rust out for now
[10:55]	CParadoxum_	But I wonder how long they'll manage to hold back
[10:56]	CParadoxum_	HURD is still 32bit (but at least they might get broad driver support from linux 2.6 soon)
[10:56]	CParadoxum_	Hyperbola devs were on spot when they started working on moving to a BSD kernel two years ago, it seems...
[10:57]	schestowitz-TR	iirc, at first rustlang is for drivers
[10:57]	CParadoxum_	It's always like this
[10:57]	schestowitz-TR	so don't expect core stuff to be rewritten for the cargo vult
[10:57]	schestowitz-TR	cult
[10:57]	CParadoxum_	"You're schizophrenic! we won't take over the project"
[10:57]	schestowitz-TR	maybe IBM and Gulag are unable to recruit people who can code C
[10:57]	CParadoxum_	I think so
[10:57]	schestowitz-TR	or git
[10:57]	CParadoxum_	Good C programmers are becoming exceedingly rare
[10:58]	schestowitz-TR	git push
[10:58]	schestowitz-TR	"TOO HARD"
[10:58]	schestowitz-TR	I need Microsoft
[10:58]	schestowitz-TR	http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/
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[10:58]	schestowitz-TR	http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/
[10:58]	TR Bot	 The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights
[10:59]	CParadoxum_	Ironically, a mailing-list workflow with git is so much easier
[10:59]	schestowitz	x https://www.pcworld.com/article/558191/windows-pirates-are-losing-their-bitcoin-booty.html
[10:59]	TR Bot	pirates are losing their Bitcoin booty | PCWorld
[10:59]	schestowitz	"Windows pirates "
[10:59]	schestowitz	-Microsoft-funded IDG
● Dec 09
[11:00]	CParadoxum_	And I was the kind of zoomer dev that used git UI frontends with shithub exclusively
[11:00]	CParadoxum_	The canary in the coalmine for me was the invasion of CoCs and banning
[11:01]	schestowitz-TR	there's that too
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR	but a side issue
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR	mozilla used to have greater control
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR	not they have "governance"
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR	check who runs it
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft, Amazon etc.
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR	Google
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR	Google incubated this in Mozilla
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR	and made a fake "security" group to concern-troll Linux and Linus
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR	until they went like, "OK", we give up..
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR	the media egged on the fake security coup
[11:03]	schestowitz-TR	until Linus, who was already besieged, stepped aside
[11:03]	schestowitz-TR	so the project leadership is now GAFAM by proxy
[11:03]	schestowitz-TR	mostly but not only LF+GitHub
[11:03]	schestowitz-TR	which are becoming almost one of the same
[11:12]	immibis	welcome to capitalism, those who have money make the rules
[11:14]	TR News	 NEWS #Techdirt #Missouri Governor Still Lying About Reporters Who Uncovered Ridiculous Bad State Computer Security; Still Insists They Were Crackers https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211207/18160848074/missouri-governor-still-lying-about-reporters-who-uncovered-ridiculous-bad-state-computer-security-still-insists-they-were.shtml
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[11:14]	TR Bot	Governor Still Lying About Reporters Who Uncovered Ridiculous Bad State Computer Security; Still Insists They Were Hackers | Techdirt
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: and the rules make them more money
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR	which is a cyclic issue and a racket
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR	Free software, GNU etc. responded to it
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR	created a culture of sharing and copyleft 
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR	but LF is a coup against that
[11:18]	TR News	 NEWS #ProPublica #finance #taxevasion When Youre a Billionaire, Your Hobbies Can Slash Your Tax Bill https://www.propublica.org/article/when-youre-a-billionaire-your-hobbies-can-slash-your-tax-bill https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722
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[11:18]	TR Bot	 When Youre a Billionaire, Your Hobbies Can Slash Your Tax Bill ProPublica
[11:18]	TR Bot	rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters
[11:19]	psydroid2	there isn't anything to pirate about Windows
[11:20]	schestowitz-TR	everybody wants it!!!
[11:20]	schestowitz-TR	"setal it!!"
[11:20]	psydroid2	if only there was one thing I'd like to see is for pirates to destroy its source code and the headquarters it's hosted at
[11:20]	schestowitz-TR	"dude, it comes with most PCs"
[11:20]	schestowitz-TR	"and people REMOVE it"
[11:20]	psydroid2	I don't think there is even a zero value attached to it, but rather a negative value
[11:20]	psydroid2	hugely negative value
[11:21]	TR News	1975: "Let's build the Internet, a network that can survive a nuclear war!" 2021: "Let's host everything on the server of this one discount bookshop!" https://mastodon.social/@thomasfuchs/107406952556742877
[11:21]	TR Bot	 Thomas, Computer Wrangler: "1975: "Let's build the Internet, a network that c" - Mastodon
[11:23]	TR News	#linux #kernel contaminated by #monopolies and their #censorship regime (cannot criticise crimes of corporations) https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/12/08/1758203 see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ "just a hobby" -> "just monopolies"
[11:23]	TR Bot	 Rust Takes A Major Step Forward As Linux's Second Official Language - SoylentNews
[11:23]	TR Bot	 The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights
[11:23]	TR News	"User "@trackertrial" has been suspended" https://nitter.eu/@trackertrial
[11:23]	TR Bot	 Error | nitter
[11:24]	schestowitz-TR	what was trackertrial in Twitter/nitter about?
[11:24]	schestowitz-TR	The account has just been suspended it seems
[11:25]	TR News	"If somebody told me this PBR material was made procedurally with free software, I would have a hard time believing them. But it's true!" https://mastodon.social/@unfa/107408610567899352
[11:25]	TR Bot	 unfa: "If somebody told me this PBR material was made pr" - Mastodon
[11:30]	TR News	"I feel there is a huge amount of potential in using the web to have decentralised app installations while also maintaining a high level of security. We dont have to parrot what #Apple does" https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/107411758377168193
[11:30]	TR Bot	 Aral Balkan: " and maybe even thinking about building systems " - Arals Mastodon
[11:30]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 9.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 135.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 253.75
[11:30]	kingoffrance	CParadoxum_, yes, "schizophrenic" is used when you resist "merging" with someone :/
[11:31]	kingoffrance	thats another one of those "left" "right" "hungarian politics" things
[11:31]	Techrights-sec	can't recall; if it were important it would have been posted in a blog
[11:32]	TR News	"Decentralisation is a post-capitalist concept. Capitalism cannot tolerate true decentralisation (although it will happily sell you the illusion of decentralisation) because true decentralisation cuts out the middleman. And capitalism is the religion of the middleman." https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/107410493858038982
[11:32]	TR Bot	 Aral Balkan: "Decentralisation is a post-capitalist concept. Ca" - Arals Mastodon
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[11:33]	TR News	"I believe the tor ecosystem would benefit from an operator ID (FQDN) that can not be spoofed" https://mastodon.social/@nusenu/107408265179799083
[11:33]	TR Bot	 nusenu: "I believe the tor ecosystem would benefit from an" - Mastodon
[11:33]	TR News	" #FreeBSD actually managed to import their crazy wrapper around the Linux intel wifi driver which was first hinted at during #EuroBSDcon in Norway..." https://bsd.network/@stsp/107407787886707590
[11:33]	TR Bot	 Stefan Sperling: "Wow. FreeBSD actually managed to import their cra" - BSD Network
[11:34]	TR News	"TIL "/dev/full" to test/simulate no space left on device. awesome. didn't know that one." https://mastodon.social/@sushee/107402092102170508
[11:34]	TR Bot	 Su-Shee: "TIL "/dev/full" to test/simulate no space left on" - Mastodon
[11:35]	TR News	#GAFAM helps zealots https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/107405018391231124 no kidding: http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/
[11:35]	TR Bot	 Aral Balkan: "As of 2020, various countries have laws which cr" - Arals Mastodon
[11:35]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights
[11:36]	TR News	"It seems @mobian runs just fine on the @PINE64 #pinephonepro :)" https://mastodon.online/@awai/107413373316697671
[11:36]	TR Bot	 A-wai: "It seems @mobian@fosstodon.org runs just fine on " - Mastodon
[11:36]	TR News	#de #pirateparty on #encryption https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/107411850965121368
[11:36]	TR Bot	Breyer: "At 16:50 I will be discussing #encryption at the " - chaos.social
[11:40]	TR News	#billbc in its rush to #marketing of #patents gave false sense of optimism; estimated death "by end" of 2020/2021/pandemci in general. Look it up. SO MANY FALSE PREDICTIONS.
[11:42]	TR News	#billbc 2020: a vaccine will solve this. BillBC 2021: THIS vaccine will solve this. BillBC now: a THIRD vaccine will solve this. BillBC next year: there are too many scary variants! Bear with us. #patent #patents #monopolies #greed https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/
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[11:42]	TR Bot	 While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation
[11:44]	TR News	#polio vaccine took about 10 years from inception/invention until mass vaccination. Not 10 months. Not 10 weeks. There were mistakes along the way and #clinicalTrials ... which helped garner public confidence.
[11:46]	TR News	The #corporateMedia should know that RE-defining "unvaccinated" and "anti-vaxxer" won't convince anybody and instead alienate fence sitters (almost all of whom are already vaccinated and do not reject #vaccination in general). http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/08/19/covid19-communication-strategy/
[11:46]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Vaccination is Good, But the Current Vaccination Strategy (of Overwhelming Fear/Hysteria) Will Fail to Convince Sceptical People
[11:48]	TR News	Maybe blame the #cia et al with their terrible #vaccination ploys and not whoever #corporateMedia tells you to hate/blame https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)60900-4/fulltext
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[11:48]	TR Bot	 DEFINE_ME
[11:49]	TR News	The #billBC wants us to get riled up in #socialcontrolmedia over some party of #tories but the real scandal is far bigger, and nobody wants to talk about it? http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/07/20/mass-infection/
[11:49]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Mass infection is not an option: we must do more to protect our young
[11:50]	TR News	Mass infection strategies help sell PCR tests and more jabs by punishing those who choose to self-isolate, making their surroundings far more dangerous http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/07/20/mass-infection/
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[13:22]	MinceR	lol @ hello-world.rs
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[13:44]	TR News	#Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158912 #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:44]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[13:44]	TR News	#KDEGear 21.12 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158913 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:44]	TR Bot	 KDE Gear 21.12 | Tux Machines
[13:44]	TR News	#KDEGear 21.12 Software Suite Released as a Massive Update, Heres Whats New Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158914 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:44]	TR Bot	 KDE Gear 21.12 Software Suite Released as a Massive Update, Heres Whats New | Tux Machines
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[13:49]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: technically rust might be sort of OK
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR	but there are other issues
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR	size, deps, complexity, censorship, stewardshipo
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR	you get a whole parcel of problems
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR	C is C
[13:50]	schestowitz-TR	which sounds dumb
[13:50]	schestowitz-TR	bash has many implementationsalso
[13:50]	schestowitz-TR	like dash
[13:50]	schestowitz-TR	and bash stays bash
[13:50]	schestowitz-TR	there is no "council of censorship" for bash
[13:52]	TR News	WTH is "gaming monitors"? Oh wait. It's a spam 'aritcle' "As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases." #www IS SPAMFARM. Too much junk like this!! https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-gaming-monitors-with-excellent-color-profiles-and-responsiveness/ see http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/
[13:52]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: ubuntupit.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-gaming-monitors-with-excellent-color-profiles-and-responsiveness/
[13:52]	TR Bot	 10 Best Gaming Monitors with Excellent Color Profiles
[13:52]	TR Bot	 The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights
[13:53]	TR News	#Fossbytes now tells #gnu #linux users to install NON-FOSS, #ProprietarySoftware #Microsoft PASSWORD STEALER!! http://techrights.org/2021/11/17/microsoft-password-stealer/
[13:53]	TR Bot	 Bruce Schneier: Microsoft Edge is Apparently a Password Stealer Too, Even on GNU/Linux | Techrights
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[14:01]	MinceR	no, dash is not an implementation of bash
[14:01]	schestowitz-TR	what is it technically?
[14:01]	hyperreal	good morning
[14:01]	TR News	How we use Linux Test Project to test and improve Linux | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/linux-test-project #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux
[14:01]	TR Bot	 How we use Linux Test Project to test and improve Linux | Enable Sysadmin
[14:01]	hyperreal	anyone here on Twitter or Fedi? 
[14:01]	schestowitz-TR	hyperreal: gm
[14:02]	schestowitz-TR	Fedi? Fed up :-)
[14:02]	schestowitz-TR	not a stable platform
[14:02]	schestowitz-TR	unless you self-host
[14:02]	schestowitz-TR	and then for one microblogging user you need to maintain a whole 'CMS'
[14:02]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158915 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:02]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[14:02]	MinceR	bash is a reimplementation of the Bourne shell
[14:03]	MinceR	dash is a port of a clone of the Bourne shell
[14:03]	schestowitz-TR	I see
[14:03]	schestowitz-TR	thanks for correcting 
[14:03]	MinceR	dash aims at being small and fast; bash aims at being copyleft and rich in features
[14:04]	TR News	DevSecOps jobs: 3 ways to get hired | The Enterprisers Project https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/12/devsecops-jobs-3-ways-get-hired #enterprisersproject / #ibm #rehat posting this whole laying off loads of workers http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/ibm-layoffs-in-marketing/
[14:04]	TR Bot	 DevSecOps jobs: 3 ways to get hired | The Enterprisers Project
[14:04]	TR Bot	 Many IBM Layoffs (in Marketing), But the Media Is Not Mentioning Those Layoffs At All | Techrights
[14:05]	TR News	"This is a weekly report from the CPE (Community Platform Engineering) Team." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-of-december-6th-10th/ #fedora #ibm #redhat
[14:05]	TR Bot	 CPE Weekly Update - Week of December 6th - 10th Fedora Community Blog
[14:05]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: does ubuntu still default to dash?
[14:05]	MinceR	dunno
[14:06]	schestowitz-TR	iis, ubuntu aliased them
[14:06]	schestowitz-TR	so when you ran bash it did dash
[14:06]	schestowitz-TR	which you could see igf you checked aliases 
[14:06]	schestowitz-TR	or which bash
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	but that was ages ago
[14:07]	MinceR	maybe the other way around
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	no, surely not
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	let me check
[14:08]	schestowitz	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/442510/how-to-use-bash-for-sh-in-ubuntu
[14:08]	TR Bot	 shell script - How to use Bash for sh in Ubuntu - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange
[14:08]	schestowitz	"To switch sh to bash (instead of dash, the default), reconfigure dash (yes, its somewhat counter-intuitive):"
[14:08]	schestowitz-TR	ah, so maybe sh was aliased
[14:09]	MinceR	sh was already aliased to dash in debian, iirc
[14:10]	TR News	Go to linux dot com, first word... #MICROSOFT ... #linuxfoundation has killed the site, spamnil wipes what he can off it... to get some views to his failing, spammy videos
[14:11]	XRevan86	schestowitz: In Debian (and Ubuntu) /bin/sh is a symlink to dash.
[14:11]	XRevan86	The default shell for users is bash though.
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[14:12]	XRevan86	The idea is very simple: if one wants bash features, one should use bash (like #!/bin/bash), but /bin/sh should be for POSIX shell uses.
[14:12]	activelow	it's an annoyance with gentoo, the entire shell scripting of theirs depends on bash
[14:13]	activelow	bash knows POSIXLY_CORRECT=1 variable, which too did break some gentoo scripts
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[14:25]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: so it's 'downstream' from Debian
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[14:33]	TR News	#Linuxcom Has Become Microsoft Spam and Spamnil Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/09/linux-com-spamfarm/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/09/linux-com-spamfarm/
[14:33]	TR Bot	 Linux.com Has Become Microsoft Spam and Spamnil | Techrights
[14:41]	MinceR	(cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/NFN2yu8.mp4
[14:41]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/NFN2yu8.mp4
[14:42]	TR News	#linuxfoundation knows the caste system and funnels money/traffic to fakers and charlatans, at the expense of the reputation of #linux -- both as project and brand
[14:44]	TR News	#cat https://i.imgur.com/NFN2yu8.mp4
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[14:45]	TR News	#IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158916 #GNU #Linux
[14:45]	TR Bot	 IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:47]	TR News	#microsoft media operative Jordan Novet: "Microsoft Office prices going up 20% for some business clients unless they move from monthly to annual subscriptions" (so #clowncomputing is just a SUBMARINE)
[14:49]	TR News	"A DS_STORE file was left open on a #Microsoft-owned web server" https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/microsoft-error-could-open-the-door-to-the-most-damaging-phishing-scam-to-date see http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
[14:49]	TR Bot	error could open the door to the most damaging phishing scam to date | TechRadar
[14:49]	TR Bot	 Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights
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[14:51]	TR News	"Microsofts $19.7B Nuance buy hits a snag with #EU #antitrust probe" but where was #europe and its regulatory authorities when #microsoft bought #github h Listening to Judas (selling us to MicrosofT) Zemlin? http://techrights.org/2019/07/31/jim-zemlin-open-source-loves-microsoft/
[14:51]	TR Bot	 Jim Zemlin: Open Source Loves Microsoft | Techrights
[14:53]	TR News	#BetaNews is #openwashing #microsoft today and it's helping the #googlebombing of "LINUX". Link omitted.
[14:53]	TR News	xkcd: The Last Molecule https://xkcd.com/2552 #xkcd
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[14:53]	TR Bot	The Last Molecule
[14:56]	TR News	#letsencryption is #linuxfoundation is #monopolies ... same address, same accountant. See #irs site if you don't believe me. It's like when a business registers anew with the same address to proceed with bankruptcy and remain alive. LF is as dodgy as hell. Does IRS plan to revoke status? http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/linux-foundation-irs/
[14:56]	TR Bot	 No Linux Foundation IRS Disclosures Since 2018 | Techrights
[14:56]	TR News	#letsencrypt is #linuxfoundation is #monopolies ... same address, same accountant. See #irs site if you don't believe me. It's like when a business registers anew with the same address to proceed with bankruptcy and remain alive. LF is as dodgy as hell. Does IRS plan to revoke status? http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/linux-foundation-irs/
[14:58]	TR News	Many strange things happened in #linuxfoundation this past week and it seems like they may be hiding something (mostly by creating lots of commotion and positive-sounding noise) http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
[14:58]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation - Techrights
[14:59]	TR News	Social media giants have released their Compliance Reports for the month of September. Weve analysed them. https://internetfreedom.in/ssmis-compliance-reports-for-september/ #internetfreedom #internet #gafam #surveillance #espionage
[14:59]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/ssmis-compliance-reports-for-september/
[14:59]	TR Bot	 Social media giants have released their Compliance Reports for the month of September. Weve analysed them.
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[15:00]	TR News	Remember that #youtube and #twitter are "TAKEDOWN PLATFORMS" -- usually (mis)used by the rich and powerful to silence or deploatform their exposers, however factual they may be
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[15:03]	CrystalMath	MinceR: are you still lightbringer on freenode?
[15:03]	MinceR	yes
[15:03]	schestowitz-TR	seems like a zombienet
[15:04]	TR News	Blender 3 comes with great improvements and changes at the GPU level http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158680#comment-32021
[15:04]	TR Bot	 Blender 3.0 Released as a Massive Update with Many New Features and Improvements | Tux Machines
[15:04]	MinceR	braaaaaaaaaaains
[15:05]	schestowitz-TR	not even that ;'-)
[15:05]	schestowitz-TR	led by pothead, root
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[15:06]	TR News	Soon enough #mozilla will have no "PEOPLE" left... rearranging the chair on this Titanic deck https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/kristen-trubey-mozillas-new-chief-people-officer/
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[15:06]	TR Bot	 Kristen Trubey, Mozillas New Chief People Officer
[15:07]	TR News	"Have received feedback that Balsa email client does not work in EasyOS 3.1.13. It's email filtering is pretty weak anyway, so reckon that I will go over to Claws Mail. Claws Mail is optionally able to view HTML emails by the 'litehtml' library. Very interesting, the developer of litehtml also has a little browser, named 'litebrowser'..." https://bkhome.org/news/202112/litehtml-compiled-in-openembedded.html
[15:07]	TR Bot	 litehtml compiled in OpenEmbedded
[15:08]	TR News	Companies that work on #nsa #backdoors are lecturing us on #security ?? https://kubernetes.io/blog/2021/12/09/pod-security-admission-beta/
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Pod Security Graduates to Beta | Kubernetes
[15:09]	activelow	^ NSA does not require backdoors
[15:09]	schestowitz-TR	true
[15:09]	activelow	they got a front door wherever they require it
[15:09]	schestowitz-TR	bug doors are enough
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	just make sure companies hire incompetent programmers
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	or add moles who are
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: the front doors, too
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	we wrote about this in techrights
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	but usually that's for (dis)services
[15:11]	activelow	still fighting with cross-compiler toolchain setup here
[15:11]	activelow	reminds me of ken-thompson hack ...
[15:11]	schestowitz-TR	when they produce some software you run 'natively' on your OS they need a link from Ethernet/wifi to your filesystem
[15:11]	schestowitz-TR	they want all computer users to  be mere "tenants"
[15:11]	schestowitz-TR	and all people in the world to be computer users
[15:11]	activelow	i consider most of the tooling (compilers, linkers, make, autotools, package management) broken by design
[15:11]	schestowitz-TR	"inclusivity"
[15:12]	schestowitz-TR	so that the empire has them all as tenants, slaves
[15:12]	schestowitz-TR	no private, no secrets
[15:12]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: they've certainly become too complex
[15:12]	activelow	no offense, towards RMS, however i do disagree with him what free software was
[15:12]	schestowitz-TR	nobody can study them
[15:12]	schestowitz-TR	Linus does not read 500,000 lines of code of some AMD drivers
[15:12]	schestowitz-TR	he just signs that off based on trust
[15:13]	schestowitz-TR	code that only employees of AMD studied
[15:13]	schestowitz-TR	many eyes on the ball
[15:13]	schestowitz-TR	or the code
[15:13]	schestowitz-TR	but all from the same company
[15:13]	schestowitz-TR	that sells the same thing
[15:13]	activelow	i consider situation with kernel not as critical as it is with GCC/binutils/autotools/make (all GNU!)
[15:13]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: RMS is no clergy
[15:13]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/21120823
[15:13]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (6067399)
[15:13]	schestowitz-TR	you are free to not agree
[15:13]	schestowitz-TR	just don't insinuate orgs should kick out their own founders
[15:14]	activelow	because, with Linux kernel alot of the bloat can be removed; however it is impossible to remove GCC/binutils/autotools/make and the related chaos
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR	see LF, FSF (post-coup), and EFF (afteer Barlow died)
[15:14]	immibis_	does being a founder grant special permissions?
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR	more special than none
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR	because orgs can lose direction
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR	and founders, like tim b-l, have some special status
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	tim b-l let us down
[15:16]	immibis_	so if RMS suddenly decides that free software is a cute name for puppies and kittens he should be allowed to convert the FSF into the puppies and kittens foundation?
[15:16]	activelow	the entire internet and tech chaos, it is so severe, i wouldn't want to depend on it anymore at all
[15:16]	immibis_	or are there limits?
[15:16]	activelow	for example, imagine, i keep my books, maths, electronics, physics, and some scientific calculator
[15:16]	immibis_	activelow: did you get vaccinated yet?
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	immibis_: improbable
[15:16]	activelow	i can keep this for decades; without any update required
[15:16]	immibis_	schestowitz-TR: "if"
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	on RMS
[15:17]	activelow	however, if I archived any GNU/linux system, and wanted to use it as a stable system a decade later
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[15:17]	activelow	almost none of the internet is readable anymore at all, most scientific publications accessible
[15:17]	activelow	software doesn't compile anymore (due to some c++ standard "improvement" and whatnot)
[15:18]	activelow	*most scientific publications in-accessible
[15:18]	activelow	get a raspi4 and boot it with linux-2.6? probably out of luck with this entirely.
[15:19]	activelow	it is simply insane what they did, and they're proud of it, with their "progress" and "innovation"
[15:19]	activelow	immibis_: vaccinated with what?
[15:22]	schestowitz-TR	'the' vaccine(r)
[15:22]	schestowitz-TR	the bestSeller(TM)
[15:22]	schestowitz-TR	many patents
[15:23]		*psydroid2 is waiting for The Vaccinator movie
[15:23]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: are you sure? because argument from german government was "patents" weren't the most critical concern for health care in distant regions
[15:24]	schestowitz-TR	104,000 NHS workers in the UK reject the covid-19 vaccines
[15:24]	immibis_	activelow: any coronavirus vaccine according to the recommendations of a real doctor
[15:24]	schestowitz-TR	the NHS even offered them any vaccination of their choice, IIRC
[15:24]	immibis_	schestowitz-TR: because of patents or because they are brainwashed?
[15:24]	immibis_	i think the latter
[15:24]		*immibis_ is now known as immibis
[15:24]		*immibis is now known as GetVaccinated
[15:25]	activelow	immibis_: there isn't any "corna vaccine" which was explicitely recommended by german "vaccination commission"
[15:25]	activelow	it is a propaganda lie of politics and their fake news apparatus any of this was "recommended"
[15:25]	MinceR	corn vaccine
[15:26]	activelow	however, check for yourself what "vaccination commission" "recommends"; and btw. this commission does NOT approve any vaccine such as EMA does, it verifies if a vaccine should be administiered and to whom
[15:28]	TR News	Don't let the #linuxfoundation TELL YOU WHAT IT IS. YOU NEED TO FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF; they won't help you. http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
[15:28]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation - Techrights
[15:28]	activelow	and the "recommendation" is this: loose quote "it's approved and can be applied if specific medical indications exist"; it isn't recommend for children, and none of it was recommended to inject into the masses either.
[15:29]		*schestowitz-TR thinks activelow is being baited into making a political argument; it's a trap
[15:30]	MinceR	https://i.insider.com/5703cb0d9105842a008babcf?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp
[15:30]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: insider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.insider.com/5703cb0d9105842a008babcf?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp
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[15:30]	TR News	This past hour #uk gov. released the weekly report, based on #nhs data, on excess deaths across England https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2021-to-2022 study the DATA, do not follow media (it has biases, agenda)
[15:30]	TR Bot	all-cause mortality surveillance: 2021 to 2022 - GOV.UK
[15:31]	activelow	however, the vaccination commission too must be cautious, because it cannot verify if any *individual* of a person with specific medical indication existed to administer an EMA approved vaccine or not
[15:32]	TR News	This past week in #england excess death detected in children under 5 (page 2, top) https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/gover
[15:32]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: service.gov.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/gover
[15:32]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/gover )
[15:32]	activelow	it is medical doctors who had to decide upon this, which again contradicts the entire political propaganda scam to agitate for mass injections inside tents outside soccer stadiums
[15:33]	activelow	which isn't only not recommended, this is an illegal and *CRIMINAL* procedure; in particular if politicians and fake news agitate for any medical routine which could be harmful to public health
[15:35]	TR News	The way I'm reading the #nhs data (there's always a backlog of deaths not yet registered), this year in November-December #england excess mortality rate is same as or worse than analogous period a year ago (before vaccination). Sure, we have fewer restrictions now.
[15:35]	schestowitz-TR	isak: I study the dara
[15:35]	schestowitz-TR	*data
[15:35]	schestowitz-TR	my phd is in medical biophysics, with focus on statistical science
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	like studying and modeling image data
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	as it stands, we need better vacines
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	no pointing pushing this to toddlers and schoolgoers
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	it's just a box-ticking exercise
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	which will accomplish nothing
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	but the BBC's owner would profit from it
[15:37]	schestowitz-TR	if consenting adults want to take it, fine=
[15:37]	schestowitz-TR	makes sense
[15:37]	schestowitz-TR	hospitalisation rates have improves
[15:37]	schestowitz-TR	improved
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[15:38]	schestowitz-TR	right now we have HALF the number of covid-19 patients in hospital that we had Dec 8th last year
[15:38]	schestowitz-TR	I checked last night
[15:38]	activelow	"herd immunity"
[15:39]	schestowitz-TR	we can try to convince more people to take it
[15:39]	schestowitz-TR	based on information
[15:39]	schestowitz-TR	without insulting them
[15:39]	schestowitz-TR	it's counter-productive
[15:39]	schestowitz-TR	my stance: 
[15:39]	schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/08/19/covid19-communication-strategy/
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[15:55]	activelow	schestowitz: your statement doesn't convince me either, in particular "as a fallback testing exists"
[15:56]	activelow	because, current situation is: no permission to work nor travel with public transportation
[15:56]	schestowitz-TR	i did not try to convince you ^_^
[15:56]	activelow	and the "testing" routine is a scam, they didn't at least measure fever!!!!!
[15:56]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: yes, and i oppose such policies
[15:56]	schestowitz-TR	I think for air travel mandatory testing is reasonable
[15:56]	activelow	otherwise i do not see any benefit of any employer to collect genetic samples of mine or keeping any medical record
[15:56]	schestowitz-TR	but I don't understand why crossing border is a thing
[15:56]	schestowitz-TR	I mean, two comtaminated countries
[15:57]	schestowitz-TR	if you pass from one to another
[15:57]	schestowitz-TR	what's the big deal?
[15:57]	schestowitz-TR	hardly diffferent from a bus rise
[15:57]	schestowitz-TR	*ride
[15:57]	schestowitz-TR	unless one country is very contaminated and the other almost eradicated the virus
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[15:58]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: it normalises bad practices
[15:58]	schestowitz-TR	TSA was one
[15:58]	schestowitz-TR	subjecting us to groping
[15:58]	schestowitz-TR	to travel outside the country
[15:58]	schestowitz-TR	soon, saliva tests
[15:58]	schestowitz-TR	maybe soon anal probes too
[15:58]	schestowitz-TR	"show me your anal paper, please"
[15:59]	schestowitz-TR	"bitte pappier"
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[16:00]	activelow	Lauterbach argued this: March 2022 *everyone* will be either vaccinated, recovered, or dead
[16:01]	schestowitz-TR	I'm vaccinated
[16:01]	SomeH4x0r	I prefer dead then
[16:01]	schestowitz-TR	you are too
[16:01]	schestowitz-TR	you can also be vaccinated and recovered at the same time
[16:01]	schestowitz-TR	you can also be vaccinated and dead
[16:01]	schestowitz-TR	so it's a dumb sound bite
[16:01]	SomeH4x0r	fuck this society, if there is no revolution, I kill myself and that's all
[16:01]	schestowitz-TR	sounds good on the surface
[16:01]	activelow	i do not accept the "vaccination status" as any legal basis currently
[16:02]	SomeH4x0r	I don't want to participate in this shit
[16:02]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: reminder, in east-germany the "vaccination passport" was rewritten twice already
[16:02]	schestowitz-TR	but it's not about vaccinated per se
[16:02]	schestowitz-TR	it's about other isuse
[16:02]	schestowitz-TR	like government control
[16:02]	schestowitz-TR	and obedience
[16:02]	schestowitz-TR	there are side issues
[16:02]	schestowitz-TR	like patent monopolies
[16:02]	schestowitz-TR	grifting 
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR	the R&D scam (unis doing rsearch with tax money, then privatising it or passing it to patent trolls) is not new
[16:03]	activelow	and currently the "recovered" status requires a PCR test (one only)
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR	it just resurfaces now in the context of covid-19
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR	but the greater questions aren't to do with patents
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR	but also quality of clinical trials
[16:03]	activelow	and this test is expensive, and must be repeated if it didn't show some anti-body or whatever other spooky thing
[16:03]	schestowitz-TR	people trusted vaccination, except for FRINGE GROUPS, for many decades
[16:04]	schestowitz-TR	based on the strict regulations associated with careful double-blind tests
[16:04]	schestowitz-TR	now they want to toss all that away
[16:04]	schestowitz-TR	it also serves to distract from other crises
[16:04]	schestowitz-TR	media stopped talking as much asbout thje climate crisis
[16:05]	schestowitz-TR	as pointed out by environmentalist
[16:05]	schestowitz-TR	it was all just covid covid covid
[16:05]	activelow	the mandatory testing is at least as evil as vaccination, because it can be impossible to acquire the "recovered" status
[16:05]	activelow	and then, this test had to be repeated indefinitely
[16:05]	schestowitz-TR	and also debates about overpopulation are almost impermissible
[16:05]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: not overpopulation, illegal migration is the first and foremost one
[16:05]	schestowitz-TR	those are related
[16:06]	activelow	yes
[16:06]	schestowitz-TR	some escape a lack of food security
[16:06]	schestowitz-TR	but the media does not explain this
[16:06]	schestowitz-TR	in conga/dr conga (of today) there were genocides over this
[16:06]	schestowitz-TR	with zaire/rwanda/darfour examples
[16:06]	schestowitz-TR	but they don't have much oil
[16:06]	schestowitz-TR	so media never cared much
[16:07]	schestowitz-TR	"they're just primitive"
[16:07]	schestowitz-TR	there were waves of stavation there
[16:07]	schestowitz-TR	populations tripled
[16:07]	activelow	same occured in Europe for centuries
[16:07]	schestowitz-TR	and european went to america
[16:07]	schestowitz-TR	mostly
[16:07]	schestowitz-TR	also some african colonies
[16:07]	schestowitz-TR	south africa, argentina, brazil
[16:08]	schestowitz-TR	so the european population just added territories 
[16:09]	schestowitz-TR	the chinese did this in southeast asia
[16:09]	activelow	"European" is misnomer too
[16:09]	schestowitz-TR	indians to a lesser extent
[16:10]	schestowitz-TR	looking for opportunities outside the country
[16:10]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste
[16:10]	TR Bot	 Caste - Wikipedia
[16:11]	activelow	the roman-catholic sphere is far less closely related to northern Europe then it was to south-east semitic religious and cultural spheres; in particular language
[16:12]	activelow	however, that's history, related to reformation era, radical reformation, and settlers migrating to north-america
[16:13]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: the vaccination campaign reminds me of "forced baptism" which radical reformers rejected 500years ago already
[16:14]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alemania
[16:14]	TR Bot	 Alamannia - Wikipedia
[16:14]	activelow	in east germany infant baptism is rejected almost always by almost everyone
[16:14]	activelow	maybe, that's why, it is no coincidence saxony again rebels most pronounced
[16:15]	MinceR	https://thelanguagenerds.com/2020/the-worst-grammar-spelling-fails-caught-the-grammar-police/
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[16:16]	activelow	because, whowever controls "baptism" (vaccination), then controls the entire population
[16:16]	schestowitz-TR	bad analogy
[16:16]	schestowitz-TR	the vaccines are not a sect
[16:16]	activelow	schestowitz: maybe that's why EMA did NOT approve the russian Sputnik-V
[16:17]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: the recent vaccination campaign is a politically motivated propaganda scam by corrupt and murderous criminals who hijacked government in germany
[16:17]	activelow	and that's why it isn't any arbitrary analogy, forced baptism and vaccination are almost identical with their political practice and consequences
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[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: it has been politicised
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	but the vaccines themselves are caputalism
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	not politics
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	I doubt their scientific merit too
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	because they don't invent much
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	Russia was first to market
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	quality does not matter muc
[16:19]	activelow	i am referring to the recent fake news propaganda campaign specifically
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	politicised
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	bad
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	and unhelpful
[16:19]	activelow	that's why discussing medical concerns doesn't help with udnerstanding, because it is politically motivated propaganda scam
[16:20]	schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/08/19/covid19-communication-strategy/
[16:20]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Vaccination is Good, But the Current Vaccination Strategy (of Overwhelming Fear/Hysteria) Will Fail to Convince Sceptical People
[16:20]	schestowitz	what's my point ^^
[16:20]	schestowitz	they only PUT OFF people
[16:20]	schestowitz	by making it about politics
[16:20]	activelow	same with the supposed "climate change" quackery, it isn't scientific nor motivated by ecologocial concerns
[16:20]	schestowitz-TR	the climate does change
[16:20]	schestowitz-TR	it's not quackery
[16:20]	schestowitz-TR	but that too got politicised
[16:20]	schestowitz-TR	for political gain
[16:20]	activelow	no schestowitz, the pandemic and vaccination campaign was politically motivated incitement to hatred from the beginning ("china virus")
[16:21]	MinceR	09 171627 < activelow> schestowitz: maybe that's why EMA did NOT approve the russian Sputnik-V
[16:21]	MinceR	they did not approve sputnik v because the russians couldn't be arsed to submit documentation
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR	EMA is politicised
[16:21]	MinceR	probably because they know their crap will never pass scrutiny
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR	EU
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR	and Russia is "official enemy"
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR	US FDA is vendor-captures
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR	captured
[16:21]	MinceR	which vendor?
[16:21]	schestowitz-TR	which is a related problem
[16:22]	activelow	MinceR: you're sure about this? i remember the russians even offered support with construction of pharmaceutical production facilities.
[16:22]	MinceR	pretty sure
[16:22]	schestowitz-TR	in the US the corporations or their chief control the government compltely
[16:22]	CParadoxum_	If I may add to the discussion
[16:23]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: re FDA, collective interest, shared interest, of lobbyists for patent cartel
[16:23]	schestowitz-TR	to keep the price of "health" and medication in the US laughably high
[16:23]	CParadoxum_	I have no doubt that China was working on a biological weapon or at the very least doing research on countering one
[16:23]	schestowitz-TR	so does the west
[16:24]	schestowitz-TR	probably russia too
[16:24]	schestowitz-TR	it's not illegal
[16:24]	CParadoxum_	And they did it irresponsibly (which is hardly surprising if you've ever worked with mainline Chinese)
[16:24]	CParadoxum_	The problem isn't legality or lack thereof
[16:24]	CParadoxum_	It's the handling 
[16:24]	CParadoxum_	Scientists, especially well-funded ones, tend to get sloppy
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	well, legality SHOULD be an issue
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	like land mines are
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	but trump made them legal again
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	but ignoring the laws associated with it
[16:25]	CParadoxum_	Not long ago we had within two years two labs blowing up in *different* universities
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	Geneva something. Accord? Convention?
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	or some declaration
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	Biden keeps it the same
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	with biological weapons, it goes way bakc
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	*back
[16:26]	CParadoxum_	The US is an oligarchy at this point
[16:26]	schestowitz-TR	unlike nukes you can lob it at the enemy without getting any back
[16:26]	MinceR	seems to me stalinists in general tend to be particularly sloppy
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[16:26]	schestowitz-TR	you can even genetically engineer it so that your race/nation/people are less susceptible to it 
[16:26]	CParadoxum_	MinceR: get communist fast, basically
[16:26]	schestowitz-TR	talking of BIOLOGICAL WEAPON, not CHEMICAL
[16:26]	CParadoxum_	Yh
[16:26]	MinceR	CParadoxum_: move fast and break things?
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: the bio-Chernobyl? 
[16:27]	MinceR	yeah
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[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	rianne's dead is a longtime chemist
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	and he thinks china was sloppy handling this
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[16:27]	CParadoxum_	MinceR: fucking hell, are startups basically small Stalins? XD
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	and the "market" (or "bat") story is gobbledegook
[16:27]	MinceR	also, red china expected to be better at restricting spread of disease via totalitarianism, and spreading totalitarianism is probably a win for them
[16:27]	MinceR	CParadoxum_: hopefully not
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	*sloppily
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[16:28]	schestowitz-TR	btw, Spanish flu came from the US
[16:28]	schestowitz-TR	not intentionally
[16:28]	schestowitz-TR	some mutations from a farmland they suppose
[16:28]	schestowitz-TR	in the bible belt
[16:29]	schestowitz	https://www.history.com/pandemics
[16:29]	TR Bot	- HISTORY
[16:29]	schestowitz	https://www.history.com/topics/middle-ages/pandemics-timeline
[16:29]	TR Bot	That Changed History: Timeline - HISTORY
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[16:29]	CParadoxum_	schestowitz-TR: only an idiot would take that story at face-value, you want to tell me that the highest security biolab in China, the only place they'd work on biological weapons where they dealt with BAT CORONAVIRUSES was less than 1Km from the market - and that the world's largest pandemic since the Spanish Flu started in that market instead?
[16:30]	CParadoxum_	Yh, it was called the Spanish flu because Spain was the only country that didn't try to hide it
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR	neutral
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR	not hide
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR	it was neutral in the war, iirc
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR	and so many soldiers landed thee
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR	*there
[16:30]	schestowitz-TR	inc. from usland
[16:31]	activelow	just because a chinese lab discovered anything doesn't mean it's the country of origin
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[16:31]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: I saw no claims disputing patient zero being in china
[16:31]	schestowitz-TR	I saw such claims re MEGATRON
[16:31]	activelow	they immediately jumped to this conclusion, which was the moment when i lost patience with Trump
[16:31]	schestowitz-TR	insinuating it may predate discovery in S Africa
[16:32]	schestowitz-TR	and maybe found first in Europe
[16:32]	MinceR	red china did everything they could to prevent figuring out where SARS-CoV-2 first infected humans
[16:32]	schestowitz-TR	it's easier to blame less hygienic countries in Africa or India
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[16:32]	MinceR	they're dishonest like the russian empire
[16:32]	MinceR	they're both a bunch of lying totalitarian assholes
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[16:32]	MinceR	and i'm supposed to trust their vaccines?
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR	Russia is being USSR
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR	with a new face
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[16:33]	schestowitz-TR	democratic putin
[16:33]	MinceR	indeed
[16:33]	schestowitz-TR	Federasheeen
[16:33]	MinceR	and a slightly different economical organization
[16:33]	activelow	iirc Russia/Putin weren't dishonest about their vaccine; however rarely anyting is reported about it, Sputnik-V
[16:33]	MinceR	hoping they don't crash their economy again
[16:33]	activelow	anyway, it is politically motivated propaganda, and incitement to hatred from the beginning
[16:33]	kingoffrance	its saving face
[16:33]	MinceR	yeah
[16:34]	MinceR	if someone doesn't like what i like, they must be HATERS!
[16:34]	schestowitz-TR	our economy collapsed at least 13 years ago
[16:34]	schestowitz-TR	at least
[16:34]	kingoffrance	us and republicans embraced perestroika. they decided to 180 and rewrite history
[16:34]	schestowitz-TR	too much financialisation
[16:34]	schestowitz-TR	loans given with no collaterals
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[16:34]	schestowitz-TR	except illusionary
[16:34]	activelow	similar to when Roman Catholic Church enforced infant baptism in germany 500years ago and before, which is nowadays vaccination of children
[16:34]	kingoffrance	"socialist democrats" "the left"    ..it was the "left" that protested "globalism"
[16:34]	schestowitz-TR	it's a lot easier for government to blame "NATURE" and "the unvaccinated"
[16:34]	MinceR	what does baptism have to do with vaccination?
[16:34]	schestowitz-TR	even when the current vaccines have low efficacy
[16:35]	activelow	it is both a political utility to dictate and enslave the population, by whoever controls the holy water or miracle tinctures
[16:35]	MinceR	baptism is a formal introduction into a cult; vaccination is showing your immune system what a pathogen looks like so it can protect you
[16:35]	schestowitz-TR	I agree with MinceR
[16:35]	activelow	roman catholic church doesn't employ non-baptised either, they only enslave them
[16:35]	schestowitz-TR	bringing religious analogies in does not help
[16:35]	schestowitz-TR	like antivax religious sects
[16:36]	schestowitz-TR	the REAL "antivaxX"
[16:36]	activelow	it does help alot, because this is the only plausible explanation of what's happening
[16:36]	activelow	and it isn't me who granted german "order of merit" to Pfizer staff
[16:36]	schestowitz-TR	the false belief the vaccines change the mind and stuff... or allegiances to a god
[16:37]	activelow	btw. wasn't Biden Roman Catholic?
[16:37]	kingoffrance	believe so. and trump went to some jesuit school
[16:37]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
[16:37]	TR Bot	Sperm is Sacred - Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - YouTube
[16:38]	kingoffrance	lol MinceR 
[16:41]	kingoffrance	so is billy gates supposedly
[16:46]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/21120817
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[16:47]	schestowitz-TR	[16:41] <kingoffrance> so is billy gates supposedly
[16:47]	schestowitz-TR	ask jennifer gates
[16:48]	schestowitz	https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/jennifer-gates-vaccine-bill-covid-implant-b1801635.html
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[16:48]	TR Bot	 Bill Gatess daughter Jennifer gets first vaccine dose and jokes it did not implant my genius father into my brain | The Independent
[16:48]	schestowitz	MinceR: nice cat
[16:49]	schestowitz	incestuous jokes are not funny
[16:49]	schestowitz	https://www.businessinsider.com/stormy-daniels-trump-ivanka-daughter-2018-3?r=US&IR=T
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[16:49]	TR Bot	 Stormy Daniels Says Trump Told Her 'You Remind Me of My Daughter'
[16:49]	schestowitz	trump and gates
[16:49]	schestowitz	frequest flyers in lolita express
[16:49]	schestowitz	go figure
[16:49]	MinceR	the aristocrats!
[16:49]	schestowitz	the media only cares about one trial at the moment
[16:50]	schestowitz	gross link:
[16:50]	schestowitz	https://www.theregister.com/2007/07/04/gates_poll/
[16:50]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2007/07/04/gates_poll/
[16:50]	TR Bot	 Chinese women crave Bill Gates' sperm The Register
[16:50]	schestowitz	https://www.engadget.com/2007-07-03-bill-gates-sperm-second-most-wanted-in-china.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMTHv_XSjuN1aQSkpS9w2C7hqpFJqWF86rJP61tVVn2_8g-eIBsLl2YdED72FRv1W8seDWASa3oZxoMMPCtYrrWTZpBYNaXP4DagpSMgdkFCjh5Nj9ua0dBvozSBOoUufe_lfd59Bfw6OGM_hJiokXf4bRye3TFilbTTqimiEP1T
[16:50]	TR Bot	Gates' sperm: second most-wanted in China | Engadget
[16:50]	schestowitz	https://www.engadget.com/2007-07-03-bill-gates-sperm-second-most-wanted-in-china.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMTHv_XSjuN1aQSkpS9w2C7hqpFJqWF86rJP61tVVn2_8g-eIBsLl2YdED72FRv1W8seDWASa3oZxoMMPCtYrrWTZpBYNaXP4DagpSMgdkFCjh5Nj9ua0dBvozSBOoUufe_lfd59Bfw6OGM_hJiokXf4bRye3TFilbTTqimiEP1Thttps://foreignpolicy.com/2007/07/30/the-sperm-donors-chinese-women-want-most/
[16:51]	TR Bot	Gates' sperm: second most-wanted in China | Engadget
[16:51]	schestowitz	https://foreignpolicy.com/2007/07/30/the-sperm-donors-chinese-women-want-most/
[16:51]	TR Bot	 The sperm donors Chinese women want most Foreign Policy
[16:51]	schestowitz	^^ corporate media
[16:51]	schestowitz	sperm articles
[16:51]	schestowitz	go figure
[16:51]	schestowitz	idiots..
[16:52]	schestowitz	.maybe they think a spern has a "born to a Maxwell billionaire family" DNA in it
[16:52]	GetVaccinated	activelow: do you believe in free software? because that is equally political
[16:52]	schestowitz	or "mommy gets this sperm IBM contract" genetics
[16:53]	schestowitz	elon musk still treats him employees like his dad treat his slaves
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[16:53]	schestowitz	in the emeand mine in south africa
[16:53]	schestowitz	so-called 'success' stories who never became rich but were born rich
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[16:53]	schestowitz	the media helps change history for them
[16:53]	schestowitz	and then sells us their sperm
[16:53]	schestowitz	"sperm crave" journalism
[16:54]	schestowitz	"my genius father into my brain"
[16:54]	schestowitz	your 'genius' grandma
[16:54]	schestowitz	who was born to a banking baroin
[16:54]	schestowitz	and political class of Seattle
[16:54]	schestowitz	*baron
[16:54]	schestowitz	K&L gates aside
[16:55]	schestowitz	marrying without one's class
[16:55]	schestowitz	"love" being a side issue
[16:55]	schestowitz	"we can learn to have sex, eventually"
[16:55]	schestowitz	"first the bank"
[16:56]	schestowitz	activelow: the vaccines aren't politics or religion
[16:56]	schestowitz	some became nationalism
[16:56]	schestowitz	partly because of patents
[16:56]	schestowitz	the science there isn't too special 
[16:56]	schestowitz	RNA hype aside
[16:56]	schestowitz	1990s
[16:56]	schestowitz	or mRMA
[16:56]	schestowitz	which the taxpayers funded BTW
[16:56]	schestowitz	it ought to be in the commons
[16:57]	schestowitz	activelow: the politicians who use the pandemic to score political points (we have them here too) are usually not scientists
[16:57]	schestowitz	maybe science it, to them, something they last did in elementary school
[16:57]	schestowitz	maybe they even knew parts of the periodic table, but that was a long time ago
[16:57]	schestowitz	the lobbyists convince them of miracles
[16:58]	schestowitz	the media is on their side
[16:58]	schestowitz	corrupted in part by the funding/advertising partners
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[17:00]	TR News	#Ubuntu 22.04 minimum requirements https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-22-04-minimum-requirements#more-12332
[17:00]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-22-04-minimum-requirements#more-12332 )
[17:00]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: linuxconfig.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-22-04-minimum-requirements#more-12332
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[17:02]	TR News	#Canonical #GAFAM https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-joins-magma-foundation
[17:02]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-joins-magma-foundation
[17:02]	TR Bot	joins Magma Foundation | Ubuntu
[17:04]	TR News	BattlEye Anti-Cheat Works on ARMA3 with Proton - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/battleye-anti-cheat-works-on-arma3-with-proton/ #boilingsteam | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/09/#latest
[17:04]	TR Bot	 BattlEye Anti-Cheat Works on ARMA3 with Proton - Boiling Steam
[17:04]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[17:05]	TR News	Whats new in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.5 Container Tools? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158923 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:05]	TR Bot	 What's new in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.5 Container Tools? | Tux Machines
[17:05]	MinceR	MAGMA foundation?
[17:05]	TR News	#KaliLinux 2021.4 Release Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158925 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:05]	TR Bot	 Kali Linux 2021.4 Release | Tux Machines
[17:05]	MinceR	does that stand for microsoft, apple, google, meta, amazon?
[17:05]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[17:05]	schestowitz-TR	I thought the same
[17:05]	schestowitz-TR	psydroid2 came up with iut
[17:05]	schestowitz-TR	GAFAM became MAGMA
[17:05]	MinceR	i didn't realize they unironically came up with that name for themselves
[17:06]	TR News	#Canonical/Ubuntu: Magma and Ubuntu 22.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158924 MAGMA foundation = microsoft, apple, google, meta, amazon ;-)
[17:06]	TR Bot	 Canonical/Ubuntu: Magma and Ubuntu 22.04 | Tux Machines
[17:06]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: they try to nameshift
[17:07]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft will rebrand EthicalSoft
[17:07]	schestowitz-TR	to signify the opposite of what it is
[17:07]	schestowitz-TR	fighting "Crime" and "Misinformation"
[17:07]	schestowitz-TR	and "Communism" (Freedom)
[17:07]	schestowitz-TR	G stays G
[17:08]	schestowitz-TR	no matter how you spell
[17:08]	schestowitz-TR	gulag, goulag, goolag
[17:08]	psydroid2	From Microsoft to Megatron
[17:08]	schestowitz-TR	there would be a trademark lawsuit
[17:11]	TR News	Moshe Bars Codenotary Votes for #AlmaLinux Becomes a Platinum Member https://fossforce.com/2021/12/moshe-bars-codenotary-votes-for-almalinux-becomes-a-platinum-member/
[17:11]	TR Bot	 Moshe Bar's Codenotary Votes for AlmaLinux - Becomes a Platinum Member - FOSS Force
[17:12]	TR News	Make #music on #GNU #Linux with #Ardour https://opensource.com/article/21/12/music-linux-ardour
[17:12]	TR Bot	music on Linux with Ardour | Opensource.com
[17:12]	TR News	Year in Review: How were curating the web with you and our top Pocket features Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158926 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:12]	TR Bot	 Year in Review: How were curating the web with you and our top Pocket features | Tux Machines
[17:14]	TR News	Many #microsoft operatives in the media are attacking #gnu #linux today, including #Neowin (another #windows booster). WSL is an ATTACK on #GNULinux ... do not forget that.
[17:15]	TR News	What FlutterFires announcement means for Desktop Developers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158927 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:15]	TR Bot	 What FlutterFires announcement means for Desktop Developers | Tux Machines
[17:16]	TR News	(Getting Rid Of) The Ghost In The #LED | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/getting-rid-of-the-ghost-in-the-led/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/09/#latest
[17:16]	TR Bot	Rid Of) The Ghost In The LED | Hackaday
[17:16]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[17:20]	TR News	"The Call For Participation is now open for the Distribution Devroom at the upcoming #FOSDEM 2022, to be hosted virtually on February 6th." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/distributions-devroom-at-fosdem-2022/
[17:20]	TR Bot	 Distributions Devroom at FOSDEM 2022 Fedora Community Blog
[17:21]	TR News	No, #linuxfoundation is NOT "Open Source", it is a front group of #ProprietarySoftware vendors https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/open-source-japan-virtually.html see http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
[17:21]	TR Bot	 Open Source in Japan, virtually
[17:21]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation - Techrights
[17:22]	TR News	#KDEneon 20211209 is out. https://neon.kde.org/ Congrats to that team, an important #uk -based project, #kde #gnu #linux
[17:22]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: kde.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://neon.kde.org/
[17:22]	TR Bot	 KDE neon
[17:25]	TR News	"Heres our summary of updates, events and activities in the #LibreOffice project last month click the links to learn more!" https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/12/09/libreoffice-project-and-community-recap-november-2021/
[17:25]	TR Bot	 LibreOffice project and community recap: November 2021 - The Document Foundation Blog
[17:26]	TR News	#UK #privacy chief denies conflict of interest in new role https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252510653/UK-privacy-chief-denies-conflict-of-interest-in-new-role #computerweekly | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/09/#latest
[17:26]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: computerweekly.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252510653/UK-privacy-chief-denies-conflict-of-interest-in-new-role
[17:26]	TR Bot	 UK privacy chief denies conflict of interest in new role
[17:26]	TR News	The #EU Digital Services Act wont work without strong enforcement - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/eu-dsa-enforcement/ #accessnow
[17:26]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/eu-dsa-enforcement/
[17:26]	TR Bot	 The EU Digital Services Act won't work without strong enforcement - Access Now
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[17:27]	TR News	Raku Advent Calendar: Day 9: Raku code coverage https://raku-advent.blog/2021/12/09/raku-code-coverage/ #rakulang #programming
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Day 9 Raku code coverage Raku Advent Calendar
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[17:28]	TR News	#suse of #germany outsourcing systems to #ProprietarySoftware companies based in the US https://www.suse.com/c/migrating-sap-workloads-to-google-cloud-power-of-many/ #espionage too: http://techrights.org/2021/03/13/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-4/
[17:28]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/migrating-sap-workloads-to-google-cloud-power-of-many/
[17:28]	TR Bot	SAP workloads to Google Cloud requires 'the Power of Many' | SUSE Communities
[17:28]	TR Bot	 EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part IV: The US CLOUD Act Passes Without Public Debate | Techrights
[17:29]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 131.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 253.63
[17:30]	TR News	#suse started as a #gnu #linux companies and ended up an #openwashing #ProprietarySoftware reseller like the 'Linux' (-destroying) Foundation
[17:30]	TR News	#suse started as a #gnu #linux company and ended up an #openwashing #ProprietarySoftware reseller like the 'Linux' (-destroying) Foundation
[17:31]	TR News	#Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158928 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:31]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[17:31]	TR News	#RaspberryPi Zero 2 W Benchmarks - Nice For $15 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158929 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:31]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W Benchmarks - Nice For $15 | Tux Machines
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[17:34]	TR News	The #Linuxfoundation ought not HAVE a "MAGMA Foundation" but BECOME the MAGMA Foundation, where MAGMA stands for Microsoft Amazon Gulag Meta Apple. The CURRENT "MAGMA Foundation" is already GAFAM-dominated (Facebook). It's NOT a "linux" foundation but a front group or incubator of #surveillance monopolies connected to and partly funded by the US Army/DoD.
[17:39]	activelow	schestowitz: the "corona" pandemic and vaccination campaign was politically motivated exclusively
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[17:40]	schestowitz-TR	no, not really
[17:40]	schestowitz-TR	unless...
[17:40]	activelow	if there had been public health concerns involved at least once, then they had measured fever among other issues
[17:40]	schestowitz-TR	you consider it a bioweapon
[17:40]	schestowitz-TR	in which case it could be politically motivated 
[17:40]	schestowitz-TR	maybe china got fed up with trump
[17:40]	schestowitz-TR	"release the beast"
[17:40]	schestowitz-TR	before you know it US economy tanks
[17:41]	schestowitz-TR	trump voted out
[17:41]	schestowitz-TR	but it's more likely to be a lad accident
[17:41]	schestowitz-TR	too easy to lose control of such things
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[17:41]	activelow	certainly, the corona propaganda was weaponizde
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[17:41]	TR News	Open Hardware/Modding: TeleType and RISC-V Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158930 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:41]	TR Bot	 Open Hardware/Modding: TeleType and RISC-V | Tux Machines
[17:42]	TR News	#HamRadio #SSB Transceiver Fits In Pocket | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/09/ham-radio-ssb-transceiver-fits-in-pocket/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/09/#latest
[17:42]	activelow	from the beginning, and public health was the least of the concerns of government and their corrupt fakes news cartell in germany
[17:42]	TR Bot	Radio SSB Transceiver Fits In Pocket | Hackaday
[17:42]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
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[17:43]	TR News	"The drives have fallen out of favor with PC, but the drives are still highly prized amongst classic #Mac collectors, who use the #SCSI versions as boot disks for the vintage machines." https://hackaday.com/2021/12/08/mac-tip-diagnoses-your-old-zip-and-jaz-drives/
[17:43]	TR Bot	TIP Diagnoses Your Old Zip And Jaz Drives | Hackaday
[17:43]	activelow	GetVaccinated: i believe most of what is labeled "free software" isn't
[17:44]	schestowitz-TR	define free software
[17:44]	activelow	and, i consider free software one aspect of academic freedom
[17:44]	schestowitz-TR	as you do not agree with fsf's definition of it
[17:44]	SomeH4x0r	something related to the "four freedoms"
[17:44]	schestowitz-TR	SomeH4x0r: that's defined in terms like its conditions
[17:44]	schestowitz-TR	unless functional definition from peens/OSD/Debian 
[17:44]	schestowitz-TR	*perens
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR	the 4 freedoms are considered outdated by some
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR	because of complexity
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR	and inability to remove some things 
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR	the freedom NOT to use something
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR	e.gh. systemd
[17:45]	SomeH4x0r	yes, systemd, Linux, Firefox/Chromium, and other things
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR	or browsers like gulag-based rendering engines with different 'skins'
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	just to access pages, banks
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	there's alsoi privacy aspect
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	the telemetry scandals aren't an infringement of 4 freedom
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	e.g. in audacity
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	bu they're unwelcomed
[17:47]	schestowitz-TR	and some people exercise the 4 Freedom to remove the unwanted (antiu)feature
[17:47]	SomeH4x0r	if something becomes too big (e.g. big corporations developing a "free" program), it is already risky
[17:47]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[17:47]	schestowitz-TR	chromium is vast
[17:47]	schestowitz-TR	also interdependent on tons of other things
[17:47]	schestowitz-TR	gigabytes of source code
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[17:47]	schestowitz-TR	even a gnu/linux distro is afaik smaller than this
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	libreoffice is big, but afaik browsers became bigger
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	gcc is vast
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	systemd is around 2 LOCs
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[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	GCC maybe 7 million
[17:48]	activelow	more
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	Linux getting thgere
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	just for a kernel
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	which is doing little but device handling and allocating h/w resources
[17:48]	activelow	wrong, the kernel itself is a few hundred thousand LOC with linux
[17:49]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: 16 million?
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[17:49]	activelow	everything else is extensions, modules, drivers, dozens of filesystems
[17:49]	schestowitz-TR	yes, you need these
[17:49]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: both GCC and Linux kernel surpossed 10Million LOC
[17:49]	schestowitz-TR	some graphics drivers are almost a million LOCs
[17:49]	activelow	utter crap
[17:49]	SomeH4x0r	> systemd is around 2 LOCs | wdym?
[17:50]	schestowitz	"Linux in 2020: 27.8 million lines of code in the kernel, 1.3 million in systemd"
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[17:50]	SomeH4x0r	doesn't LOC mean line of code?
[17:50]	schestowitz	From spamnil
[17:50]	MinceR	https://image.taiwannews.com.tw/photos/2021/12/09/1639034063-61b1accfceba6.jpg
[17:50]	schestowitz	or https://www.theregister.com/2020/01/06/linux_2020_kernel_systemd_code/
[17:50]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2020/01/06/linux_2020_kernel_systemd_code/
[17:50]	TR Bot	 Linux in 2020: 27.8 million lines of code in the kernel, 1.3 million in systemd The Register
[17:50]	schestowitz	Microsoft Tim
[17:51]	schestowitz-TR	Linus just signs things off
[17:51]	schestowitz-TR	he barely reads the code
[17:51]	schestowitz-TR	he does communication and coordination
[17:51]	schestowitz-TR	so the quality control is done by corporations that are selfish
[17:52]	schestowitz-TR	LF is too busy shilling Microsoft
[17:52]	schestowitz-TR	they profit from selling us
[17:52]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/12/09/linux-com-spamfarm/
[17:52]	TR Bot	 Linux.com Has Become Microsoft Spam and Spamnil | Techrights
[17:53]	TR News	Interview on #buzzword https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20211209-01.en.html
[17:53]	TR Bot	 20 Years FSFE: Interview with Vincent Lequertier on AI - FSFE
[17:54]	TR News	#elastic as #ProprietarySoftware pusher https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211208006069/en/Elastic-Announces-New-Osquery-Manager-Integration-and-Memory-Threat-Protection-for-macOS-and-Linux
[17:54]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: businesswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211208006069/en/Elastic-Announces-New-Osquery-Manager-Integration-and-Memory-Threat-Protection-for-macOS-and-Linux
[17:54]	TR Bot	 Elastic Announces New Osquery Manager Integration and Memory Threat Protection for macOS and Linux | Business Wire
[17:56]	TR News	"covered by the Elastic license, so you can take your deployment global." https://www.elastic.co/blog/whats-new-elastic-security-7-16-0
[17:56]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: elastic.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.elastic.co/blog/whats-new-elastic-security-7-16-0
[17:56]	TR Bot	 Whats new in Elastic Security 7.16: expanded visibility and streamlined workflows | Elastic Blog
[17:57]	TR News	#freesw isn't winning per se. YES, it's used MORE THAN EVER BEFORE. But it's being used as bait to sell #ProprietarySoftware more malicious than ever before (back doors, #Surveillance and so on)
[17:58]	TR News	#fsfe has meanwhile become Gulag Deutschland with #microsoft money on the side or the lap. They don't fight for your freedom but for corporate sponsors. If you still pay FSFE as a Fellow, then YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION.
[17:59]	SomeH4x0r	I wonder if I should ever donate my money to anyone. At least, in software-related stuff.
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[18:00]	TR News	...The problem isn't #micosoft but the crimes of Microsoft and the general behaviour of Microsoft, which is nowadays shared among or across a number of other companies. So yes, Microsoft needs to be eradicated, but not only Microsoft. The problem isn't one that can be narrowed down to a mere brand but a concept and political, cult-like behaviour.
[18:00]	schestowitz-TR	SomeH4x0r: sometimes yes;
[18:00]	schestowitz-TR	like a very good developer or project
[18:00]	schestowitz-TR	in dire need of money
[18:00]	schestowitz-TR	for things like shelter and food
[18:00]	schestowitz-TR	example: sparkylinux in poland
[18:00]	schestowitz-TR	the developers just need food, server, roof
[18:00]	SomeH4x0r	but how can I be sure they don't become evil and I regret I gave them a cent?
[18:01]	schestowitz-TR	personal connection
[18:01]	schestowitz-TR	you can tell a-holes
[18:01]	schestowitz-TR	career climbers and social climbers
[18:01]	schestowitz-TR	fsf isn't corrupt at the core
[18:01]	schestowitz-TR	it got infiltrated
[18:01]	schestowitz-TR	the core people are ok
[18:01]	schestowitz-TR	the long timers
[18:01]	schestowitz-TR	they've chased away some of the infiltrators
[18:02]	schestowitz-TR	but only after a lot of damage had been done by them
[18:02]	schestowitz-TR	SomeH4x0r: if you have mnney to spare, support enimal lovers
[18:02]	schestowitz-TR	they cannot sell out
[18:02]	schestowitz-TR	they won't sell the animals for meat
[18:03]	SomeH4x0r	then I need to tell whether they actually love animals, or they are just fake entities behind scammers
[18:03]	schestowitz-TR	you can check
[18:03]	schestowitz-TR	some have built reputation for a century 
[18:04]	schestowitz-TR	my birthday is next week
[18:04]	schestowitz-TR	we always give to animal charities on our birthdays
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	btw
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	sad story
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	some people donated to zemlin
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	LF
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	or got their credit card
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	paid a commission on purchases 
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	to subsidise this very malicious thing
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	I feel bad for people who did this
[18:06]	schestowitz-TR	why not just donate directly to gates foundation?
[18:06]	schestowitz-TR	with a scented love letter?
[18:06]	schestowitz-TR	zemlin and his friends were always, all along, phonies and fakes
[18:07]	schestowitz-TR	with warnings about them going almost 15 eyars back
[18:07]	schestowitz-TR	we live in a world where drunksards and womanisers or people born ultra-rich  can climb to the top
[18:07]	schestowitz-TR	and they based their career on lies
[18:08]	schestowitz-TR	to get a job
[18:08]	schestowitz-TR	and then use that job to get the next
[18:08]	schestowitz-TR	like fake claims of creating something
[18:08]	schestowitz-TR	shame on Torvalds for putting these people in charge of him
[18:08]	schestowitz-TR	now he can barely even respond to emails
[18:09]	schestowitz-TR	or he will get more bollocking from his bosses at Microsoft (Board of Directors, LF)
[18:09]	schestowitz-TR	same issue in EPO
[18:09]	schestowitz-TR	bright people as examiners
[18:09]	schestowitz-TR	liars, frauds, crims as Vice Presidents and Presidents
[18:10]	schestowitz-TR	with costumes and buzzwords
[18:12]	TR News	#Python identifiers, PEP 8, and consistency [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/877115/ #LWN #programming
[18:12]	TR Bot	identifiers, PEP 8, and consistency [LWN.net]
[18:14]	TR News	Will #fedora stop outsourcing almost everything to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware prison? https://lwn.net/Articles/877240/ it SHOULD: http://techrights.org/2021/11/24/fedora-slaves-at-microsoft/
[18:14]	TR Bot	revisits the Git-forge debate [LWN.net]
[18:14]	TR Bot	 3.5 Years Later the Master of Fedora is Still Microsoft and IBM Cannot Be Bothered to Alter Git Branch Names (Refuting or Ignoring Its Very Own Directive About Supposedly Racially-Insensitive Terms) | Techrights
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[18:15]	TR News	#GNOME 41.2 Is Here to Improve Software, Boxes, Orca, Calendar, and Other Apps Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158931 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[18:15]	TR Bot	 GNOME 41.2 Is Here to Improve Software, Boxes, Orca, Calendar, and Other Apps | Tux Machines
[18:16]	TR News	#Kernel : #LWN Articles and Bootlin Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158932 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[18:16]	TR Bot	 Kernel: LWN Articles and Bootlin | Tux Machines
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[18:29]	MinceR	https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/race.png   ( https://explosm.net/comics/1992/ )
[18:29]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/race.png
[18:29]	TR Bot	& Happiness (Explosm.net)
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[19:05]	MinceR	https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/gamble2.png   ( https://explosm.net/comics/1999/ )
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[19:05]	TR Bot	& Happiness (Explosm.net)
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[19:17]	TR News	#KaliLinux 2021.4 Released with Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W Support, GNOME 41, and New Hacking Tools Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158933 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[19:17]	TR Bot	 Kali Linux 2021.4 Released with Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W Support, GNOME 41, and New Hacking Tools | Tux Machines
[19:29]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 118.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 253.59
[19:32]	TR News	An Eventful Instant: GNOME Shell 42 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158934 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[19:32]	TR Bot	 An Eventful Instant: GNOME Shell 42 | Tux Machines
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[19:36]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Microsoft Larabel wrote a hit piece on Debian.
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR	I saw
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR	he blames Debian
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR	not the browser
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR	he misses the point
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR	browsers
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR	not just browser
[19:37]	schestowitz-TR	[19:47] <techrights-news> The problem is the browser and the #www rather than #debian #gnu #linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian Debian should start packaging #geminiProtocol clients...
[19:37]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian
[19:37]	TR Bot	Sad State Of Web Browser Support Currently Within Debian - Phoronix
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[19:45]	DaemonFC	4 more fillings, two extractions, and the temporary partial plate for Mandy.
[19:45]	DaemonFC	Now just two more fillings on Monday and we're done for the year.
[19:48]	TR News	For #git the word "master" has long been a convenient convention that made branch names predictable. Now that #ibm look to eradicate it some choose "dev" and "devel" instead (inconsistent), which is also confusing because "dev" typically means "test"
[19:53]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/gdrTjlf.jpeg
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[20:00]	TR News	#canonical #ubuntu blog: let's install #ProprietarySoftware for #microsoft https://ubuntu.com//blog/linux-gaming-tutorial-raspberry-pi-minecraft-server-on-ubuntu-desktop
[20:00]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/linux-gaming-tutorial-raspberry-pi-minecraft-server-on-ubuntu-desktop
[20:00]	TR Bot	Pi Tutorial: Host a Minecraft server on Ubuntu Desktop | Ubuntu
[20:05]	TR News	Sifive Essential 6-Series RISC-V processors target Linux, real-time applications http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158902#comment-32025
[20:05]	TR Bot	 Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines
[20:16]	TR News	"A fresh month has arrived and so it brings with it a new Humble Choice, the curated monthly bundle along with a few other game bundles to go over. Here's a roundup of how they all work on #gnu #Linux either natively or with #SteamPlay Proton." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/new-humble-choice-and-multiple-humble-bundles-are-live
[20:16]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/new-humble-choice-and-multiple-humble-bundles-are-live
[20:16]	TR Bot	Humble Choice and multiple Humble Bundles are live | GamingOnLinux
[20:18]	TR News	"Another developer is looking into native #GNU #Linux builds for their game, this time it's Tomas Sala for The Falconeer in preparation for the upcoming Steam Deck handheld." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/developer-of-the-falconeer-looking-at-linux-builds-for-the-steam-deck
[20:18]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/developer-of-the-falconeer-looking-at-linux-builds-for-the-steam-deck
[20:18]	TR Bot	of The Falconeer looking at Linux builds for the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
[20:21]	TR News	"SCS has upgraded both Euro Truck Simulator 2 & American Truck Simulator with some major improvements, and it seems they may work even better on the upcoming #SteamDeck now." #gnu #linux #archlinus https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/12/euro-truck-simulator-2-a-american-truck-simulator-get-big-upgrades/
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[20:21]	TR Bot	Truck Simulator 2 & American Truck Simulator get big upgrades | GamingOnLinux
[20:22]	TR News	#intel #openwashing by #spamnil today... #linuxfoundation is beyond farcical at this point, and it HARMS the Linux BRAND and PROJECT
[20:25]	TR News	#spamnil and friends use the #OneAPI schtick to #openwash #intel but it is outsourced to #proprietarySoftware of Microsoft for reasons specified in Intel leaks http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
[20:25]	TR Bot	 Intel leaks - Techrights
[20:26]	TR News	#Games: ARMA3, Humble Choice, and Lots More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158935 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[20:26]	TR Bot	 Games: ARMA3, Humble Choice, and Lots More | Tux Machines
[20:28]	TR News	omg! #proprietarySoftware "Appppps" https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/site-stuff-december-2021
[20:28]	TR Bot	 Picking a masthead colour [Off Topic] - OMG! Ubuntu!
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[20:40]	XFaCE	MinceR: https://hackmd.io/@XAMPPRocky/r1HT-Z6_t
[20:40]	TR Bot	 The Core Team Is Toxic - HackMD
[20:40]	XFaCE	"it should come as no surprise how the core team responded to members complaints about the continued involvement of Palantir employees in the Rust-lang organisation. The core team repeatedly dismissed and maligned several members concerns about the involvement of a company so heavily involved with producing spyware."
[20:41]	schestowitz-TR	XFaCE: welcome back
[20:41]	XFaCE	Par for the course given NSA's number one partner IBM/Red Hat
[20:41]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: No one's ever really gone
[20:42]	schestowitz-TR	good
[20:42]	schestowitz-TR	i just did a 43-min video on ibm/redhat
[20:42]	schestowitz-TR	it's uploading
[20:42]	XFaCE	They should have stuck to making Model M keyboards.
[20:42]	TR News	"it should come as no surprise how the core team responded to members complaints about the continued involvement of #Palantir employees in the #Rustlang organisation." https://hackmd.io/@XAMPPRocky/r1HT-Z6_t
[20:45]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: Did you know that IBM charges for mainframe use by the CPU (or something akin) cycle?
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[20:45]	XFaCE	It's like saying you can only do some many revolutions in your car before it shuts off.
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[20:46]		*Now talking on #techrights
[20:46]		*Topic for #techrights is: Techrights.org IRC discussions @ localhost | Channel #techrights for http://techrights.org [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. For scrollback see http://techrights.org/irc-channel/
[20:46]		*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~roy@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc at Fri Jun 18 16:51:47 2021
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[20:49]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: I like the username that uses cursive for Techrights
[20:49]	schestowitz	hang on..
[20:49]	schestowitz	let the network catch up
[20:49]	schestowitz	it's the datacentre (hiccup)
[20:49]	schestowitz	[20:45] <XFaCE> I see the new provider hasn't fixed netsplits
[20:49]	schestowitz	this was missed by the logger
[20:50]	schestowitz	to be fair, he network reliability of the site is phenominal
[20:50]	schestowitz	far better than H.E., which we had before 3 years ago
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[20:51]	schestowitz	test http://example.org
[20:51]	TR Bot	 Example Domain
[20:51]	MinceR	:>
[20:51]	XFaCE	test https://techrights.org
[20:51]	TR Bot	 Welcome to Techrights
[20:51]	schestowitz	I think we're all good now
[20:51]	XFaCE	test
[20:51]	XFaCE	smart command
[20:51]	XFaCE	test This is not a domain
[20:51]	XFaCE	very good
[20:52]	XFaCE	test MinceR 
[20:52]	MinceR	failed
[20:52]	XFaCE	Maybe you don't really exist >.>
[20:52]	schestowitz	brb
[20:52]	schestowitz	need to bring back up a few things
[20:53]	schestowitz	also, my upload was interrupted misway, but I can rsync it
[20:53]	schestowitz	*midway
[20:53]	XFaCE	I'm not going to MinceR words with you
[20:53]	XFaCE	ba-dum-tsh
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[20:54]	XFaCE	ah leah, here we go again
[20:54]	schestowitz	leah is back in bizniz
[20:54]	schestowitz	doing coding
[20:54]	schestowitz	no more binge-ing ;-)
[20:55]	XFaCE	I was referencing a Donnie Iris song
[20:55]	schestowitz	I'm going to clean my rss feeds in a moment
[20:57]	schestowitz	[20:45] <XFaCE> It's like saying you can only do some many revolutions in your car before it shuts off.
[20:57]	schestowitz	Microsoft copied it from IBM, I think
[20:57]	schestowitz	now we have clown computing
[20:57]	XFaCE	Coloured me shock, Microsoft copying
[20:57]	schestowitz	you own nothing and get charged like x10 the cost of electricit
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[20:57]	XFaCE	Actually it's not the copying, it's the "we can do it but you can't" attitude
[20:57]	schestowitz	for ranting "space", RAM, and CPU
[20:57]	schestowitz	so it's another battlefront
[20:58]	schestowitz	aside from free software and Internet decentralisation
[20:58]	XFaCE	schestowitz: I assume you saw the old news about the SCO asset acquiring suing IBM/Red Hat
[20:58]	XFaCE	around May 2021
[20:58]	schestowitz	yes
[20:58]	schestowitz	it's not so interesting anymore
[20:58]	XFaCE	On the one hand, the case still sucks... on the other hand I have no love for IBM/Red Hat
[20:59]	leah	what
[20:59]	schestowitz	whoooooooh
[20:59]	leah	XFaCE: what goes again?
[20:59]	schestowitz	(lancashite accent)
[20:59]	schestowitz	*shire
[20:59]	schestowitz	bad typo
[20:59]	XFaCE	<XFaCE> I was referencing a Donnie Iris song
[20:59]	XFaCE	leah: That's a lyric from the song
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[21:00]	schestowitz	leah: we have temporary network issues, causing a 'netsplit' (not quite as we have only one server, no fallback except other networks)
[21:01]	XFaCE	leah: There's a Donnie Iris hit called "Ah Leah"
[21:01]	TR News	"The core team repeatedly dismissed and maligned several members concerns about the involvement of a company so heavily involved with producing spyware." #github #microsoft #surveillance #spyware #rustlang https://hackmd.io/@XAMPPRocky/r1HT-Z6_t
[21:01]	TR Bot	 The Core Team Is Toxic - HackMD
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[21:02]	XFaCE	Must be my sense of humour, it causes netsplits
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[21:02]	XFaCE	Or maybe IBM doesn't like criticism of their mainframe business
[21:02]	TR News	More and more people manage #git over #geminiProtocol instead of #www https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007670.html
[21:02]	TR Bot	 [users] Any live gmnigit capsules?
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[21:04]		*leah still waiting for an answer
[21:04]	leah	"here go we again"
[21:04]	leah	XFaCE: what were you referring to?
[21:04]	XFaCE	<XFaCE> <XFaCE> I was referencing a Donnie Iris song
[21:04]	XFaCE	<~schestowitz> bad typo
[21:04]	XFaCE	<XFaCE> leah: That's a lyric from the song
[21:04]	leah	ok, let me ask another way
[21:05]	leah	what relevance do i have to what was on your mind, when you said it
[21:05]	TR News	#Gulag "took steps to shut down the #Glupteba botnet, at least for now. (The botnet uses the bitcoin blockchain as a backup command-and-control mechanism, making it hard to get rid of it permanently.) So Google is also suing the botnets operators." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/12/google-shuts-down-glupteba-botnet-sues-operators.html
[21:05]	TR Bot	Shuts Down Glupteba Botnet, Sues Operators - Schneier on Security
[21:05]	XFaCE	you rejoined, your name reminded me of the song lyric
[21:05]	leah	ok
[21:06]	TR News	#proprietarySoftware = #fakeSecurity https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-343-02
[21:06]	TR Bot	 WECON LeviStudioU | CISA
[21:06]	psydroid2	it must be embarrassing to Microsoft that Google manages to shut down Vista botnets and they can't and won't do anything themselves
[21:06]	TR News	"Smaaaaaart"... do you want a "smart" cardiologist? "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could allow an attacker to access privileged accounts." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsma-21-343-01
[21:06]	TR Bot	 Hillrom Welch Allyn Cardio Products | CISA
[21:07]	XFaCE	psydroid2: that would require shame
[21:07]	XFaCE	Microsoft has none
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[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	Ed Bought
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	Ed Bot
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	Ed Bott
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	Ad bot
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	As bought
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	from Ed Bott
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	Welcome to ZDNet
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	the PR botnet of Microsoft Corp.
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	fake news
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	no research
[21:10]	schestowitz-TR	no understanding of what they cover
[21:12]	XFaCE	Remember when Ziff Davis had credibility? Probably not since 1991
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	they used to call it Zigg|gates
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	*Ziff|Gates
[21:13]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: Did it ever have credibility?
[21:13]	schestowitz-TR	I don't know
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	I was young and didn't read news online back then
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	and on paper
[21:14]	XFaCE	It was referenced on Computer Chronicles a lot
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	zdnet is owned by an entertainment conglomerate now 
[21:14]	XFaCE	"Ziff Davis Labs"
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	focus on >>> entertainment
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	not journalism
[21:14]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: Not CBS correct? They sold them IIRC
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	CBS collapsed
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	sort of 
[21:14]	XFaCE	is collapsing
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	it's too complicated even for me to follow the chains of ownership with long history of it
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	I researched and did an article about it yearsd ago
[21:15]	XFaCE	Viacom bought CBS, then they split, then they re-merged recentlly
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	usually you find super-rich and weirdly low-profile families owning it all
[21:15]	XFaCE	and now their stock is in the toilet
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	zdnet is collapsing
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	not many articles anymore
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	some writers left or got fired
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	zdnet may be inactive in 5 years
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	still online, but more like spamfarm "proper"
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	not even pretence of journalism
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	sjvn started writing in theregister
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	but that too is becoming a spamfarm
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	they even admit upfront
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	that the articles are "PAID ARTICLE"
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	or "sponsored by" at the bottom
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	they cannot pay salaries
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	not enough incomew
[21:17]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: that's an epidemic across seemingly all media atm
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	they too will die
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	www= spamfarm
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	use gemini
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	it's getting worse
[21:17]	XFaCE	Lots of "prestigious" newspapers with paid crap
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	the s/spam ratio
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	or s/n
[21:17]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: or use Yggdrasil
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR	sort of works in favour of techrights
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR	but not tuxmachines
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR	because TM relies on articles to link to
[21:18]	XFaCE	tuxmachines relies on input, so GIGO becomes a problem
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR	even "Reviews" are fake now
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR	paid-for amazon spam
[21:18]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/
[21:18]	TR Bot	 The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	XFaCE: yes, exactly
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	but there are still blogs
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	social control media has not killed them all
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	(yet)
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	so gigo is a thing if you rely only on media of gulagnews
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	which I don't
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	I've subscribed to about 300 rss feeds
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	in patents the blogs are much needed
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	the patent reformers went silent
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR	their blogs
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR	even patentprogress (CCIA)
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR	so in the patent realm I'm almost on my own
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR	zoobab/ffii rarely do press releases
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR	zoobab thinks "tweeting" will fix things
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR	I told him to write more formal things
[21:21]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158936 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[21:21]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR	also all howtos are blogs ^^
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR	I scour theweb very widely
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR	with rss feeds
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR	gulagnews won't cast its net wide enough
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR	it does pick up LOADS of SPAM sites
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	plagiarism and hey hi-generated crap
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	but not actual, legit blogs
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	we have an information pandemic
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	spam overtaking journalism
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	and fake reviews in sites like cnn, daemonfc says
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	a section of fake reviews
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	for amazon sales
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	with quotas for writers of the fake reviewsd
[21:23]	schestowitz-TR	then, gulagsearch directs people to amazon catalogues disguised as reviews
[21:23]	schestowitz-TR	so you search for a product 
[21:23]	schestowitz-TR	and you don't get a single honest review, just marketing/pr/sales
[21:25]	TR News	The European Commission pledges to release more software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158920#comment-32027
[21:25]	TR Bot	 The European Commission Will Make its Software Solutions Open Source for Public Benefit | Tux Machines
[21:26]	schestowitz-TR	speakingog gulagsearch
[21:26]	schestowitz-TR	googletroll thinks people will fols like origami is you throw lawyers at them
[21:26]	schestowitz-TR	this is the attitude one gets by working for these awful corporations
[21:26]	schestowitz-TR	a sense of self righteousness by money
[21:27]	schestowitz-TR	"I have more money than you"
[21:27]	schestowitz-TR	"so that means merit"
[21:27]	schestowitz-TR	"I am smarter than you"
[21:27]	schestowitz-TR	"so I am right, you are WRONG"
[21:28]		*schestowitz-TR doesn't hate on people so pathetic
[21:28]		*schestowitz-TR suggests professional mental assistance instead
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[21:29]	TR News	Zorin OS 16 Lite: Better Xfce with Much More Simplicity http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158878#comment-32028
[21:29]	TR Bot	 Zorin OS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition | Tux Machines
[21:29]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 109.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 253.55
[21:31]	TR News	Corporate cults entering #linux #kernel after incubation by #gulag asset #mozilla for hosting and control by #microsoft with CoC #censorship https://www.itsfoss.net/rust-advances-to-become-the-second-language-of-the-linux-kernel/
[21:31]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: itsfoss.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.itsfoss.net/rust-advances-to-become-the-second-language-of-the-linux-kernel/
[21:31]	TR Bot	advances to become the second language of the Linux kernel - itsfoss.net
[21:32]	TR News	Free #SoftwareFreedom is Not Linux Techrights http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/thomas-grzybowski-on-freesw/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/11/09/thomas-grzybowski-on-freesw/
[21:32]	TR Bot	 Free Software Freedom is Not Linux | Techrights
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[21:34]	hyperreal	anyone here using void linux know of a way to get, like, Ubuntu-style or Fedora-style font rendering?
[21:34]	TR News	"Together, Tonteri and Salonen plan to create an application that works on REST interfaces on Red Hat OpenShift." So they've turned #education into TRAINING. To sell #ibm :/ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/first-students-jyvaskyla-university-applied-sciences-complete-courses-through-red-hat-academy
[21:34]	TR Bot	 The first students from Jyvskyl University of Applied Sciences to complete courses through Red Hat Academy
[21:36]	TR News	www
[21:37]	TR News	Edge... "hybrid cloud computing" BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH #buzzword #buzzword #buzzword https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/edge-computing-benefits-and-use-cases #ibm #redhat
[21:37]	TR Bot	 Edge computing benefits and use cases
[21:40]	TR News	Wow. The exodus at #ibm #redhat continues ... I've LOST TRACK of how many high-level people have jumped ship this year. It's a lot. Maybe 6 of C level and below. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/transitioning-red-hats-emea-leadership-team
[21:40]	TR Bot	 Transitioning Red Hat's EMEA leadership team
[21:40]	TR News	#ibm is running #redhat like Watson's hero (Adolf) ran #germany
[21:42]	TR News	#ibm today: we save lives https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/brickthru-enables-firefighters-to-save-more-lives/ except when you make lots of money by killing millions: http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Racism
[21:42]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: ibm.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/brickthru-enables-firefighters-to-save-more-lives/
[21:42]	TR Bot	 BrickThru enables firefighters to save more lives IBM Developer
[21:42]	TR Bot	 IBM - Techrights
[21:42]	schestowitz	https://www.fosslife.org/tips-open-source-mentorship
[21:42]	TR Bot	 Tips for Open Source Mentorship
[21:42]	schestowitz	https://www.fosslife.org/tips-open-source-mentorship
[21:42]	schestowitz	Mentorships can provide a valuable career boost and benefit both mentors and mentees when both parties are committed to the relationship's success, says Ashley Hardin. For example, mentors can develop leadership skills, while those being mentored can gain competency to prepare them for job success. 
[21:42]	schestowitz	This article offers tips for effectively building a positive mentorship relationship in an open source world.
[21:42]	schestowitz	Red Hat fluff
[21:43]	schestowitz	Mentorship
[21:43]	schestowitz	Read as:
[21:43]	schestowitz	1) unpaid work
[21:43]	schestowitz	2) low-paid work
[21:43]	schestowitz	3) s****** (the word IBM doesn't want us to say)
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[21:44]	TR News	"As familiar as we all are with the UNO, theres probably a lot you dont know about the iconic #Arduino microcontroller board. Put on your rose-tinted spectacles, and lets wax poetic about the origins of this beloved maker board." https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/12/09/one-board-to-rule-them-all-history-of-the-arduino-uno/
[21:44]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/12/09/one-board-to-rule-them-all-history-of-the-arduino-uno/
[21:44]	TR Bot	 One board to rule them all: History of the Arduino UNO | Arduino Blog
[21:45]	TR News	Digging deep for responsible #aluminum https://www.fairphone.com/en/2021/12/09/responsible-aluminum-asi/ #fairphone recycling
[21:45]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: fairphone.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fairphone.com/en/2021/12/09/responsible-aluminum-asi/
[21:45]	TR Bot	deep for responsible aluminum - Fairphone
[21:46]	TR News	My Favorite Warnings: shadow http://blogs.perl.org/users/tom_wyant/2021/12/my-favorite-warnings-shadow.html #perl #programming
[21:46]	TR Bot	Favorite Warnings: shadow | Tom Wyant [blogs.perl.org]
[21:46]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/796147.png
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[21:47]	TR News	#Mozilla #Security Blog: Improving the Quality of Publicly Trusted Intermediate CA Certificates with Enhanced Oversight and Automation https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/12/09/improved-quality-of-intermediate-certificates-with-enhanced-oversight-and-automation/
[21:47]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/12/09/improved-quality-of-intermediate-certificates-with-enhanced-oversight-and-automation/
[21:47]	TR Bot	 Improving the Quality of Publicly Trusted Intermediate CA Certificates with Enhanced Oversight and Automation - Mozilla Security Blog
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[21:49]	schestowitz-TR	he died
[21:50]	MinceR	breakthrough case?
[21:50]	schestowitz-TR	no
[21:50]	schestowitz-TR	just break
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[21:52]	schestowitz-TR	Mr. Olaf Scholtz himself
[21:52]	schestowitz-TR	chasing activelow into IRC 'underground'
[21:53]	schestowitz-TR	In Austria, dissenters hide in roof. In German, dissenters hide in IRC
[21:54]	schestowitz-TR	In Soviet Russia, dicktator shoots sputnik into dissenters
[21:55]	schestowitz-TR	like in North Korea
[21:55]	schestowitz-TR	0 covid cases
[21:55]		*activelow isn't in the mood for trolling
[21:56]	activelow	interesting, next argument: the relatively expensive "Recovered" status which required a positive PCR anti-body test
[21:57]	activelow	will probably be invalid again with the omicron variant
[21:58]	activelow	which seems to be an incentive, to become infected (by a vaccine or however), and then an expensive PCR test verifies a "recovered" status again
[21:59]	activelow	the cheap variant would be receiving any arbitrary miracle tincture every few month, recent proposel was 3month cycle to receive various injections
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[22:02]	TR News	#IBM / #RedHat /Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158937 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[22:02]	TR Bot	 IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:02]	schestowitz-TR	[21:55] * activelow isn't in the mood for trolling
[22:02]	schestowitz-TR	come on, humour is the best medicine... and comes in one dose
[22:02]	activelow	the recent medical procedure to inject tinctures in tents outside soccer stadiums was *CRIMINAL*; not at least fever was measured before and after any vaccination
[22:04]	TR News	#gulag + #microsoft #windows = back doors on several levels. #NSA GAFAM https://blog.chromium.org/2021/12/chrome-windows-performance-improvements-native-window-occlusion.html
[22:04]	TR Bot	 Chromium Blog: Chrome on Windows performance improvements and the journey of Native Window Occlusion
[22:06]	TR News	#EndeavourOS Atlantis overview (video) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158687#comment-32030
[22:06]	TR Bot	 Arch Linux-Based EndeavourOS Atlantis Is Out with Linux 5.15 LTS, PipeWire, and More | Tux Machines
[22:07]	TR News	All those processor choices have #nsa back doors, #ibase https://linuxgizmos.com/open-frame-panel-pcs-offer-a-choice-of-v1000-whiskey-lake-and-apollo-lake/
[22:07]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/open-frame-panel-pcs-offer-a-choice-of-v1000-whiskey-lake-and-apollo-lake/
[22:07]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/open-frame-panel-pcs-offer-a-choice-of-v1000-whiskey-lake-and-apollo-lake/ )
[22:09]	TR News	With all that CA shilling in #mozilla #security [sic] blog earlier today, it's crystal clear #firefox isn't for the Open Web but for monopolisation by centralisation, helping the likes of Sugar Daddy Gulag Inc.
[22:11]	TR News	#censorship of Web sites at Web browser level won't be required anymore >by plugins< if the CAs control what sites you can and cannot enter, with browsers strictly enforcing the "naughty lists" and Pentagon-connected CAs making up lists. The notion of #security has been reduced to "national interest" (NatSec) and it's about control, mistrust, coercion.
[22:13]	TR News	The #www has become not just #spamfarm (very low signal to spam ratio) but also a mechanism of #socialcontrol and coercion. We need to get out and pull friends, family etc. out of it. And soon.
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: on a positive note, we do get some ideas across
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	and it seems like many germans fire back at the fake framing
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	wherein it's all just "extremists" who confront the government
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	it's not going to go well
[22:17]	TR News	Cross-compiling with icecream - Samuel Iglesias Gonslvez's blog https://blogs.igalia.com/siglesias/2021/12/09/Cross-compiling-with-icecream/ #igalia | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/09/#latest
[22:17]	TR Bot	 Cross-compiling with icecream - Samuel Iglesias Gonslvez's blog
[22:17]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[22:18]	TR News	#linuxfoundation #marketing its own products now, NOT Linux (the LF is good neither for the Linux brand nor for the project!) https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/facing-economic-challenges-open-source-opportunities-are-strong-during-times-of-crisis/ see http://techrights.org/2021/01/25/linux-foundation-training-and-certifications/
[22:18]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/facing-economic-challenges-open-source-opportunities-are-strong-during-times-of-crisis/
[22:18]	TR Bot	 Facing Economic Challenges: Open Source Opportunities are Strong During Times of Crisis - Linux Foundation
[22:18]	TR Bot	 The Linux Foundation, With Over 124 Million Dollars in Annual Revenue, is in Trouble Because of the Pandemic, So Its Trying to Reinvent Itself as Training and Certifications Outfit | Techrights
[22:18]	schestowitz-TR	XFaCE: you want to proofread the red hat article
[22:18]	schestowitz-TR	?
[22:19]	TR News	#Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158938 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[22:19]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:19]	schestowitz-TR	XFaCE: upload over
[22:19]	MinceR	https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/awMq6nB_460swp.webp
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[22:22]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: that joke is like a child with cancer
[22:22]	MinceR	:)
[22:23]	TR News	Devices: Fairphone, x86 Devices, and Arduino Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158939 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[22:23]	TR Bot	 Devices: Fairphone, x86 Devices, and Arduino | Tux Machines
[22:24]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1468998383310360583#m
[22:24]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1468998383310360583#m )
[22:24]	schestowitz-TR	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1468998383310360583#m
[22:24]	TR Bot	Cloud Act: "Congress quietly slips cloud-spying powers into page 2,201 of emergency spending bill [...] On the othe https://t.co/BZIM9pdcil
[22:24]	TR Bot	Cloud Act: "Congress quietly slips cloud-spying powers into page 2,201 of emergency spending bill [...] On the othe https://t.co/BZIM9pdcil
[22:24]	schestowitz-TR	nitter.eu isn't reliable anymore
[22:24]	schestowitz-TR	rate-limited
[22:24]	schestowitz-TR	by twitter I assume
[22:24]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1468998438637424650#m
[22:25]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1468998438637424650#m )
[22:26]	TR News	Peter Czanik: Reducing the complexity of #logmanagement https://www.syslog-ng.com/community/b/blog/posts/reducing-the-complexity-of-log-management
[22:26]	TR Bot	the complexity of log management - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng Community
[22:28]	TR News	APT for Advent of Code https://david.kalnischkies.de/blog/2021/apt-for-advent-of-code/ #programming #debian #freesw #gnu #linux
[22:28]	TR Bot	 APT for Advent of Code
[22:29]	TR News	Dirk Eddelbuettel/Thinking inside the box: " #qlcal covers over sixty country / market calendars and can compute holiday lists, its complement (i.e. business day lists) and much more." http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/12/09/
[22:29]	TR Bot	 Thinking inside the box
[22:33]	TR News	#suse still a non-stop #sap #proprietarySoftware #shilling machine https://www.suse.com/c/project-trento-reaches-ramp-up-phase/ see also http://techrights.org/2011/09/16/linux-tax-at-sap/
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[22:33]	TR Bot	Trento reaches Ramp-Up phase | SUSE Communities
[22:33]	TR Bot	 SAP Offers Lip Service to Red Hat But Continues to Pay Microsoft for GNU/Linux, Thanks to SUSE | Techrights
[22:34]	TR News	#Barry Kauler, #OpenEmbedded , and #ClawsMail Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158940 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[22:34]	TR Bot	 Barry Kauler, OpenEmbedded, and Claws Mail | Tux Machines
[22:35]	TR News	#suse as little but #microsoft and #sap reseller. When I started using SUSE (before #opensuse was a thing) almost 2 decades ago it wasn't like this https://www.suse.com/c/first-certified-simple-mount-cluster-ever/
[22:35]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/first-certified-simple-mount-cluster-ever/
[22:35]	TR Bot	certified simple-mount cluster ever! | SUSE Communities
[22:37]	TR News	Support the #gnu #linux community. The C word they don't want you to utter; same for the F word (freedom)... the corporations that rob away the C and F for opportunistic monetary gain have their own front groups (like #zemlinPAC nowadays, OSDL before) advancing their interests at the expense of OURS'
[22:39]	TR News	#canonical does not want "Linux" to succeed. It wants Canonical to succeed. #redhat does not want "Linux" to succeed. It wants #IBM to profit. #novell did not want "SUSE" to succeed. It wanted #microsoft to be happy and throw a bone over.
[22:40]	TR News	Many strange things have happened this week in #linuxfoundation ... not sure if as a response to something we had said (and triggered them) http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
[22:40]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation - Techrights
[22:41]	XFaCE	schestowitz: sorry was afk
[22:41]	XFaCE	daily exercise time
[22:41]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: 
[22:41]	TR News	Key point to internalise: #LINUXFOUNDATION is NOT good for the Linux BRAND (it PUTS OFF and GASLIGHTS the ACTUAL COMMUNITY) and it's also bad for the Linux PROJECT (e.g. pushing #rustlang cargo cult into it, for the LF's paying handlers)
[22:42]	schestowitz-TR	XFaCE: can you read now?
[22:42]	schestowitz-TR	I fondly recall the times we worked through the wiki
[22:42]	schestowitz-TR	and you mentioned red hat earlier, so..
[22:42]	XFaCE	sure
[22:43]	schestowitz	XFaCE: http://techrights.org/2021/12/09/fedora-delete-github/
[22:43]	TR Bot	 Fedora (Re)Starts Discussing Plan to Delete GitHub (Quit Microsoft Dependence) | Techrights
[22:43]	schestowitz	just for you, 10 secs ago
[22:44]	XFaCE	so login to wordpress and edit it there?
[22:45]	schestowitz-TR	no need
[22:45]	schestowitz-TR	see article
[22:45]	schestowitz-TR	suggest things, spot typos etc.
[22:46]	XFaCE	gotcha
[22:46]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: I wonder, what if we make the articles roff documents or something, that way we can commit to Git, and edits could be pull requests or issue reports
[22:46]	XFaCE	also I now tend to edit stuff in vim
[22:52]	schestowitz-TR	we can use git
[22:52]	schestowitz-TR	but we'd need to create an account for you
[22:52]	schestowitz-TR	with ssh keys
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	I've just found some typos, which I corrected
[22:53]	XFaCE	ssh keys... very good
[22:53]	XFaCE	no half measures
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	right
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	no "enter password
[22:53]	XFaCE	you mean like that Intel MEI bug? ^_^
[22:53]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/752761.jpg
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[22:53]	TR News	#Fedora (Re)Starts Discussing Plan to Delete GitHub (Quit Microsoft Dependence) Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/09/fedora-delete-github/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/09/fedora-delete-github/
[22:54]	schestowitz-TR	XFaCE: Intel IS a bug
[22:54]	schestowitz-TR	it's even in the same
[22:54]	schestowitz-TR	intel agencies etc
[22:54]	XFaCE	*name
[22:54]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[22:54]	schestowitz-TR	*agencies
[22:54]	XFaCE	you spelled that right O_o
[22:54]	schestowitz-TR	oh, I did
[22:54]	schestowitz-TR	oops
[22:55]	schestowitz-TR	I must have been lucky
[22:56]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=forbes&ns0=1&fulltext=Search
[22:56]	TR Bot	 Search results - Techrights
[22:56]	schestowitz	all of those pages are in gemini:// now
[22:56]	schestowitz	as well
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[23:00]	TR News	Piss off, #clownflare ... you obstruct me from accessing pages in a totally legit fashion. No, I DO NOT have #javascript in my client (even if I had it, I'd not run your malicious code) and the site I'm accessing does NOT use JavaScript. #www = #spamfarm #cloudflare
[23:02]	TR News	#FSF Fall Bulletin: package management, e-books, #AGPL , and more https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/fall-bulletin-package-management-e-books-agpl-and-more
[23:02]	TR Bot	 Fall Bulletin: package management, e-books, AGPL, and more Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[23:03]	TR News	#mozilla 2005: geeks! Web! Mozilla 2021: SHOPPING!!! https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/my-best-holiday-shopping-tip-mozilla/ see http://techrights.org/2019/11/03/the-privacy-scam/
[23:03]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/my-best-holiday-shopping-tip-mozilla/
[23:03]	TR Bot	 My best holiday shopping tip? Mozilla
[23:03]	TR Bot	 Facebook and Other Surveillance Capitalists Wont Save Mozilla From Google Dependence | Techrights
[23:04]	TR News	#mozilla CEO earns a NICE new home every month of work. About a quarter million dollars a month, mostly from #pentagon contractor #gulag ... THAT'S SocialJustice(TM) for ya! http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla
[23:04]	TR Bot	 Mozilla - Techrights
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[23:05]	TR News	#socialcontrolmedia reduced to little but #propaganda platform on sale https://www.lumendatabase.org/blog_entries/rohingya-refugees-file-150-billion-lawsuit-against-facebook-for-alleged-content-moderation-malpractices see for example http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/
[23:05]	TR Bot	 
[23:05]	TR Bot	 Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights
[23:06]	TR News	Use of Facial Recognition Technologies on a steep rise in #India https://www.lumendatabase.org/blog_entries/use-of-facial-recognition-technologies-on-a-steep-rise-in-india #lumendatabase | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/09/#latest
[23:06]	TR Bot	 
[23:06]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[23:07]	TR News	When #india dicktator #modi issues a new bill it should be capitalised, Bill, because that's who he possibly passes it for. #patents #gmo #billgates
[23:09]	TR News	Don't say "social media"; it's antisocial and NOT media. Adding the word "control" as a sandwich helps clarify the true purpose: #socialControlMedia
[23:09]	TR News	#twitter keeps elucidating who its true bosses are. http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ #socialControlMedia
[23:10]	TR News	Mozilla 2005: development. 2010: storytelling. 2015: marketing. 2020: spyware. #firefox #www #sellout
[23:12]	TR News	I hope #gulag Inc. pays you market value (for the skills and qualification) instead of just exploiting you (as if often does) https://ajadi-abiola.github.io/blog/Outreachy-Get-to-know-me! http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/ #deletegithub
[23:12]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://ajadi-abiola.github.io/blog/Outreachy-Get-to-know-me )
[23:12]	TR Bot	 Outreachy as Hush Money (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights
[23:13]	TR News	#google #bribes https://businessrecord.com/Content/Default/All-Latest-News/Article/Two-outreach-organizations-receive-50-000-career-certificates-from-Google/-3/248/96228 #gulag learned from #microsoft
[23:13]	TR Bot	 Two outreach organizations receive $50,000, career certificates from Google - Business Record
[23:14]	TR News	#wayland 1.20.0 https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2021-December/042064.html #linux #graphics
[23:14]	TR Bot	 [ANNOUNCE] wayland 1.20.0
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[23:18]	TR News	..."happy stories" instead of real news https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/breaking-father-carrying-daughter-school-transport-strike-ghana-viral-kenneth-awotwe-darko-ubuntu-new-car/
[23:18]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: thesouthafrican.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/breaking-father-carrying-daughter-school-transport-strike-ghana-viral-kenneth-awotwe-darko-ubuntu-new-car/
[23:18]	TR Bot	 Dad who carried daughter to school during transport strike, gets new car
[23:20]	TR News	New video of Zorin OS 16 Lite http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158878#comment-32031
[23:20]	TR Bot	 Zorin OS 16 Celebrates More Than 1 Million Downloads with Lite Edition | Tux Machines
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[23:22]	TR News	#Graphics : #Wayland Release, Mesa, and Some Hacking Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158941 #Linux #TuxMachines
[23:22]	TR Bot	 Graphics: Wayland Release, Mesa, and Some Hacking | Tux Machines
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[23:24]	TR News	How much longer can #tor reconcile building its browsing tool on top of #gulag -funded #spyware called #firefox h https://www.itsfoss.net/tor-browser-11-0-2-released-tor-site-blocking-extension-possible-attacks-on-tor/
[23:24]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: itsfoss.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.itsfoss.net/tor-browser-11-0-2-released-tor-site-blocking-extension-possible-attacks-on-tor/
[23:24]	TR Bot	Browser 11.0.2 released. Tor site blocking extension. Possible attacks on Tor - itsfoss.net
[23:28]	TR News	Could #India Be The Crucial Battleground For #OpenAccess To Scientific #Research h | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/12/09/could-india-be-the-crucial-battleground-for-open-access-to-scientific-research/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/12/09/#latest
[23:28]	TR Bot	India Be The Crucial Battleground For Open Access To Scientific Research? | Hackaday
[23:29]	XFaCE	schestowitz: where shall I plop the revised version?
[23:29]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: 
[23:29]	TR News	More on Tor and Mozilla celebrating shopping culture http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158918#comment-32032
[23:29]	TR Bot	 Mozilla/Web: litebrowser, Mozillas New Chief People Officer, and Tor Browser 11.0.2 | Tux Machines
[23:29]	schestowitz-TR	XFaCE: oh, you edited it?
[23:30]	schestowitz-TR	I thought you would point out typos and such
[23:30]	XFaCE	yeah, copied in vim
[23:30]	XFaCE	Did a bunch of rewording
[23:30]	schestowitz-TR	ah
[23:30]	XFaCE	like old times
[23:30]	schestowitz-TR	do you still have your wiki login?
[23:31]	XFaCE	at the moment no
[23:31]	XFaCE	I was going to put in an pastebin site or something
[23:31]	schestowitz-TR	that would work too
[23:31]	XFaCE	[LEGAL]: All my edits are licensed under the WTFPL 2.0
[23:32]	XFaCE	:)
[23:32]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: do you have a recommendation for a site? I seem to recall ncrypt.it but it's either worse now or I'm going to the wrong URL
[23:33]	schestowitz-TR	I rarely use those, so not sure what to suggest
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[23:35]	XFaCE	Crap, where's prurigro when you need him
[23:36]	TR News	"Motorola, Apple, Samsung, and now even Fairphone 4: NO 3.5mm headphone jack!!!" The "smart" phones just participate in #PlannedObsolescence and soon more #DRM https://dwaves.de/2021/12/09/smart-phones-without-headphone-3-5mm-jack-why-this-sucks-and-wireless-headphones-with-tiny-batteries-make-no-sense-in-general-apples-lack-of-innovation-the-microsoft-recycling-catastrophe/
[23:36]	TR Bot	Smart Phones without headphone 3.5mm jack why this sucks and wireless headphones with tiny batteries make no sense (in general) Apples lack of innovation the Microsoft recycling catastrophe Corona shows: patents suck and kill people (part of the problem) | dwaves.de
[23:36]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/8P6Ta68.jpeg
[23:36]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/8P6Ta68.jpeg
[23:42]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR: I dm'd your schestowitz account
[23:43]	TR News	My Recommendations for the Most Secure Librem 14 Configuration http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158859#comment-32033
[23:43]	TR Bot	 Why The Librem 14 with QubesOS Exceeded My Expectations | Tux Machines
[23:44]	TR News	How much does a Linux desktop OS cost? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158942 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[23:44]	TR Bot	 How much does a Linux desktop OS cost? | Tux Machines
[23:44]	XFaCE	in RE: qubesos... insert Theo De Raadt quote about the fallacy of virutalization security
[23:46]	schestowitz	lovely!
[23:46]	XFaCE	in regards to which
[23:46]	XFaCE	it is a lovely quote
[23:46]	schestowitz	XFaCE: I had finalised my post earlier, mind if I add your version alongside it?
[23:47]	schestowitz	XFaCE: virt makes things worse
[23:47]	MinceR	also insert reminder that qubesos runs systemd
[23:47]	schestowitz	because there are more layers for interference
[23:47]	MinceR	in every VM
[23:47]	schestowitz	it's fedoira basd iirc
[23:47]	MinceR	because why run just one instance of a massive NSA backdoor when you can run several?
[23:47]	XFaCE	MinceR: but it's containerized, that makes it ok
[23:47]	XFaCE	qed
[23:47]	MinceR	and then call it "secure", because words don't have meaning anymore
[23:48]	TR News	#FSF Fall Bulletin and #FSFE Interview With Vincent Lequertier Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158943 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[23:48]	TR Bot	 FSF Fall Bulletin and FSFE Interview With Vincent Lequertier | Tux Machines
[23:49]	TR News	Hans de Goede: PSA: The #linux 5.17 #kernel will require some #initrd generator changes for kms drivers https://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/25948.html
[23:49]	TR Bot	 PSA: The 5.17 kernel will require some initrd generator changes for kms drivers: hansdegoede LiveJournal
[23:49]	schestowitz	XFaCE: by which name should I refer to you?
[23:49]	schestowitz	MinceR: right
[23:49]	schestowitz	it's theatre
[23:49]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/worthless-security-theater-boot/
[23:49]	XFaCE	<schestowitz> XFaCE: I had finalised my post earlier, mind if I add your version alongside it?
[23:49]	TR Bot	 Wintel Secure uEFI Firmware Used to Store Persistent Malware, and Security Theater Boot is Worthless | Techrights
[23:49]	XFaCE	not sure what you mean
[23:49]	XFaCE	XFaCE is fine
[23:49]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/10/04/matthew-garrett-security-theatre/
[23:49]	TR Bot	 Matthew Garretts Twitter Log Shows Exactly Why We Need to Give Security Theater the Boot | Techrights
[23:49]	schestowitz	XFaCE: OK
[23:49]	schestowitz	hand on
[23:49]	schestowitz	*hang
[23:50]	XFaCE	schestowitz: I have Matthew Garrett's rebuttal
[23:50]	XFaCE	"Fart fart fart"
[23:53]	psydroid2	that's simply amazing
[23:53]	psydroid2	hang on, we're going to have a hands-on session very soon
[23:54]	XFaCE	what?
[23:54]	psydroid2	I thought we were going to see a reBUTTal?
[23:55]	XFaCE	ba-dum-tsh
[23:56]	schestowitz	XFaCE: I have added your full version
[23:56]	schestowitz	as we made conflicting edits
[23:56]	schestowitz	and sort of miscommunicated how we'd edit
[23:57]	schestowitz	XFaCE: your version is a lot better than mine
[23:57]	schestowitz	we needed better tools for collaborative editing which involves broad rephrasing
[23:58]	XFaCE	probably still could revise it a bit more... also have a bit of sinus pain so I'm not firing on all editing cylinders
[23:58]	schestowitz	thanks a lot for your effort, much appreciated
[23:58]	XFaCE	schestowitz: Why I think Git + Groff or whatever is more the Luke Smith approach... simpler tools, simpler diffs, etc.
[23:58]	schestowitz	I'll post Daily Links in a few mins
[23:59]	XFaCE	No excessive web editors and what not, and more clear edit history
[23:59]	schestowitz	etherpad was nice
[23:59]	schestowitz	it was killed off pretty much
[23:59]	schestowitz	it 'had' to be killed
[23:59]	schestowitz	too competitive
[23:59]	schestowitz	I last tried it a year or two ago
[23:59]	schestowitz	FFII used to use it