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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Arc Menu Update Brings Dash to Dock Integration, New Unity Dash Layout http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133869 [https://pleroma.site/objects/38c7682c-9d19-467b-9a5f-c80d8fad2a3c]Feb 10 00:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kate - Telemetry / User Feedback http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133870 #kde #gnu #linux #qt [https://pleroma.site/objects/4cda3e25-ec25-454a-b590-5981283b8d47]Feb 10 00:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This week in KDE: Plasma 5.18 in two days http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133871 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e9bf2f79-56ad-4e9a-9e2d-1f40d4c2b82d]Feb 10 01:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133872 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b4939210-1e3c-42ff-8d35-5ef4d5918700]Feb 10 01:01
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.6 Is The Most Exciting Kernel In Years With So Many New Features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133873 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c486c7c7-bfe1-460e-a7b4-321ed9979d97]Feb 10 01:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 6 best task managers for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133874 [https://pleroma.site/objects/db38ef27-f8d4-4e8f-986f-91ebe75901dd]Feb 10 01:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Want to Preview Fonts using a Terminal? Now You Can! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133875 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cad68c3a-148a-4532-a15f-a9f63b9e56d9]Feb 10 01:40
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133876 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0f9bf6b9-0876-4d3e-b471-3af9322f437f]Feb 10 01:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows/Screencasts: SMLR, Home Theater, #GNU World Order and #Nitrux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133877 [https://pleroma.site/objects/80a727cd-2818-409c-9701-8e43e217a2c1]Feb 10 01:49
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Perl (Raku) Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133878 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e29c17dd-fac8-4281-9898-650c2e988360]Feb 10 01:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Python #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133879 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b94a872d-349e-47be-9947-cd4dc3269b98]Feb 10 02:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Alternative World Resources in Free Software, Internet Decentralization, and Privacy http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133880 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b737167d-1fc4-4d6c-8327-f6f54e5046ac]Feb 10 02:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE: KDE Connect Website, Elisa in Windows and 20.04 Releases Schedule http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133881 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e95794c2-fbee-4578-b5bb-8c93db35ce2a]Feb 10 02:24
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 4MLinux 31.2 released. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133882 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0ad098e4-b979-4d8c-9373-1a3bf2ffad21]Feb 10 02:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: System Updates: Apt Offline 1.8.2, Distro Mirrors, and New in OpenMandriva's Cooker http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133883 [https://pleroma.site/objects/56b08216-a663-413d-805f-371ea59a9417]Feb 10 02:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Upcoming Events: foss-north in Sweden and Oracle OpenWorld Europe in London http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133884 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e909729d-54bf-4d56-af1d-bc07ba0fb5f8]Feb 10 02:42
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux (Kernel): Amazon Echo, Fedora 30 and Fedora 31, Western Digital's Zonefs and New Release of man-pages http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133885 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4ca368e6-9fb3-48df-a9d2-7b3bd5edb588]Feb 10 02:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNOME 3.36’s New Default Background is Seriously Cool http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133886 [https://pleroma.site/objects/93b296ec-45e1-4b79-ad5c-850ef54579ac]Feb 10 02:53
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.6-rc1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133887 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6a009d8f-29c7-46e3-ba76-6142cceba1aa]Feb 10 02:58
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Proprietary Software and Openwashing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133890 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8cf4d866-9195-47d2-acf7-f1dedff2d3f1]Feb 10 04:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133891 [https://pleroma.site/objects/823ec5bb-64dd-440b-b37f-9ae8d0c5759b]Feb 10 04:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 10/2/2020: New Stable Debian and RC of Linux 5.6 http://techrights.org/2020/02/09/first-rc-of-linux-5-6/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/16568d6d-a845-4029-9029-21fcf13c80d6]Feb 10 04:36
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DaemonFC[m]Apparently, Windows 10 puts an ad for Edge in the Start menu that says "Still using Firefox? Edge is right here!".Feb 10 05:07
schestowitz_log'new' MicrosoftFeb 10 05:51
schestowitz__link?Feb 10 06:12
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Linux #kernel patch maker says court case was only way out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133805#comment-23616 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0c7dbb81-b58c-4f34-8742-65d61a09a780]Feb 10 09:20
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Music composition with Python and Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133894 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4435544b-acf8-4c76-80c2-345e234c869a]Feb 10 09:24
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu-based elementary OS 5.1.2 Hera update fixes dangerous Linux sudo bug http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133893 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3c22766f-8ddc-4582-9311-06a30458fdbf]Feb 10 09:26
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/23/28528268308a169b.jpgFeb 10 12:40
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scientesMinceR, niceFeb 10 14:16
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MinceR(audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/25/568626289601cbc7.mp4Feb 10 14:16
XenOSrrright...Feb 10 14:16
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scientesMinceR, you should have a "cat warning" captionFeb 10 14:18
MinceRwhy?Feb 10 14:18
scientescause like half your links are catsFeb 10 14:19
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XenOScat   addictionFeb 10 14:21
XenOSits a thingFeb 10 14:21
MinceRlolFeb 10 14:24
XenOShttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ToxoplasmosisFeb 10 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Toxoplasmosis - WikipediaFeb 10 14:25
XenOSlulsFeb 10 14:26
scientes"exposure to infected cat feces"Feb 10 14:27
scientes"The parasite is known to reproduce sexually only in the cat family. However, it can infect most types of warm-blooded animals, including humans."Feb 10 14:27
scientes"Up to half of the world's population is infected by toxoplasmosis, but have no symptoms.["Feb 10 14:27
scientesWTFFeb 10 14:28
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Epic MegaGrant, #SystemShock 3, #FreeOrion , #PlanetStronghold 2 and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133898 [https://pleroma.site/objects/df9309a9-3229-42d8-aeff-6da285b28493]Feb 10 14:28
scientesI call non-senseFeb 10 14:28
XenOSthats what you get playing with sandboxsFeb 10 14:29
MinceRjava and javascript vm?Feb 10 14:29
XenOSthat would you expect from some one that cat spell "scientists"Feb 10 14:30
XenOSthat what you would expect from some one that cant spell "scientists"Feb 10 14:32
XenOSor scienceFeb 10 14:32
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XenOSMinceR you got "Crazy cat-lady syndrome"?Feb 10 14:39
XenOS:)Feb 10 14:39
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schestowitz__XenOS: are you  virtualised?Feb 10 14:45
tedboxcat   addictionFeb 10 14:46
tedboxcat: addiction: No such file or directoryFeb 10 14:46
XenOSno one ever said that to me before Feb 10 14:47
tedboxjoke... welcomeFeb 10 14:47
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DaemonFC[m]Apparently, Fox News is using Google's Funding Choices now.Feb 10 18:19
DaemonFC[m]It tries to to detect an ad blocker and demand 5 cents per viewed page.Feb 10 18:20
DaemonFC[m]ublock-origin blocks that.Feb 10 18:20
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danielp3344LMAOFeb 10 19:00
danielp3344`Bullshitter in Chief` <- I'm going to start saying thisFeb 10 19:00
MinceRlolFeb 10 19:05
MinceRwell, brain damaged people are more likely to vote republicanFeb 10 19:06
MinceRnext: nuclear cyberbullyingFeb 10 19:06
danielp3344MinceR: I object!Feb 10 19:06
MinceRrelated >> https://douglasgould.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/ilovethepoorlyeducated.gifFeb 10 19:07
danielp3344welllllllFeb 10 19:07
*danielp3344 can't remember the saying nowFeb 10 19:08
danielp3344MinceR: anyway I think he qualifies :PFeb 10 19:09
MinceR:>Feb 10 19:10
danielp3344The problem is all the really good ideas in politics get stuck to bad onesFeb 10 19:10
MinceRyeahFeb 10 19:10
MinceRprobably because the overwhelming majority of ideas in politics are badFeb 10 19:10
danielp3344I would vote for Sanders for the facial recognition thing if he wouldn't do anything else :PFeb 10 19:11
MinceRhttps://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/23/b94aa9c8c8d12853.mp4Feb 10 19:11
MinceRwhat's the facial recognition thing?Feb 10 19:11
danielp3344MinceR: I heard he was pushing for some sort of regulation against facial recognition use by law enforcementFeb 10 19:12
MinceRicFeb 10 19:12
danielp3344but everything else about him is terrifyingFeb 10 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Someone on the local news showed a Chevy truck hauling Solomeini's body. Feb 10 19:13
danielp3344well maybe that's a bit strongFeb 10 19:13
DaemonFC[m]I replied: Just like the people who buy them here.... 1. There's no accounting for taste. 2. You'll spend at least as much as you did on buying the Chevy trying to get it to 100,000 miles. Many of them eat three transmissions along the way. 3. I hope they have a Ford on hand to get this sucker to the repair shop as needed.Feb 10 19:13
danielp3344I don't agree with him on anything elseFeb 10 19:13
danielp3344DaemonFC: lolFeb 10 19:13
danielp3344DaemonFC: American pickups are deadFeb 10 19:13
danielp3344Only the Japanese ones live onFeb 10 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Everything GM since around 1995 is garbage. Feb 10 19:14
DaemonFC[m]But it's gotten really bad since "New GM" finished "retiring" all of their remaining reliable components.Feb 10 19:14
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "Everything GM since around 1995 "> sounds reasonable :PFeb 10 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Since the whole vehicle is crap now, why would you need an engine that can do 300,000 miles?Feb 10 19:14
danielp3344I never liked the C7 corvette, but I decided it can't possibly be that bad after seeing the C8Feb 10 19:15
MinceRwhat proportion of them were retired due to governmental emission regulations? :>Feb 10 19:15
danielp3344MinceR: pretty sure they just cheat on those and charge extraFeb 10 19:15
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson: They made some big improvements to the Corsica before ending it in 1996.Feb 10 19:15
DaemonFC[m]The 1995 brought in a nicer engine and a more reliable automatic transmission and the 1996 brought full OBD II compliance.Feb 10 19:16
DaemonFC[m]But they also filled the 1995/96 with DeathCool at the factory.Feb 10 19:16
DaemonFC[m]So plan on replacing the intake manifold.Feb 10 19:16
XRevan86MinceR: A piñata painted with a Liberian flag…Feb 10 19:16
danielp3344"reliable automatic transmission" == BSFeb 10 19:16
MinceRXRevan86: well, they do like the liberian flag in the usaFeb 10 19:16
danielp3344anw I gtgFeb 10 19:16
MinceRthis one looks more like the flag of texas thoughFeb 10 19:17
MinceRit's also sort of shaped like texasFeb 10 19:18
MinceR(except for the 3rd dimension :> )Feb 10 19:18
MinceR(well, even that could be accurate depending on their claims of airspace and underground volume)Feb 10 19:19
DaemonFC[m]https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/10/trump-budget-propose-savage-cuts-medicare-medicaid-and-social-security-while-hikingFeb 10 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Trump Budget to Propose 'Savage' Cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security While Hiking Pentagon and Wall Funds | Common Dreams NewsFeb 10 19:22
DaemonFC[m]"Warnings that Trump has Social Security and Medicare in his crosshairs intensified last month when the president told CNBC in an interview at Davos that he is "going to look" at slashing Medicare and Social Security should he win reelection in 2020."Feb 10 19:22
XRevan86I don't quite get why would Microsoft push Edge with that "Still using Firefox? MS Edge is here." ad now when their Chromium thing hasn't been shipped with Шindows 10 yet.Feb 10 19:25
DaemonFC[m]It probably just downloads it if you click there.Feb 10 19:26
XRevan86Do they prefer users to install it with an installer then?Feb 10 19:27
DaemonFC[m]It's listed as an important updateFeb 10 19:29
psydreadMicrosoft can only thrive with lock-in, but no browser after IE was ever successfulFeb 10 19:30
psydreadSo this must be their way of trying againFeb 10 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, most of the irregularities in the Iowa caucus came down to a shitty iPad app that didn't work that the Democratic Party probably paid millions for. They planned to use it in Nevada too, but seeing as how it crashed and couldn't send results to their server in Iowa, they have announced that they are terminating their deal with the company that made it and are suing them.Feb 10 19:33
DaemonFC[m]I plan to answer the Census in Illinois and then dodge them for the rest of my life as long as I live in Indiana.Feb 10 19:35
DaemonFC[m]A census undercount theoretically means less representation for a state, so they tend to do everything they can to make sure it doesn't happen.Feb 10 19:35
DaemonFC[m]So they give the Census Bureau all of the information they have to hunt you down with to pester you.Feb 10 19:35
MinceRit is an important update ...for microshit, that is.Feb 10 19:36
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I'm using Vivaldi now.Feb 10 19:37
DaemonFC[m]I noticed an odd thing about some code on Bing.Feb 10 19:37
DaemonFC[m]Vivaldi still tells search engines and a "few other sites that can be trusted" what it really is (the Vivaldi bit on the UA string).Feb 10 19:37
XRevan86Still using Vivaldi? A fellow Blinker, that's fine, keep it up.Feb 10 19:38
DaemonFC[m]But it tells other sites (including many of Google's) that it is Chrome, so that they don't send it broken website that doesn't work properly.Feb 10 19:38
MinceRhi using Vivaldi now, i'm dadFeb 10 19:38
DaemonFC[m]If Bing sees "Vivaldi" in your UA, it disables the anti-adblock code and lets your ad blocker function correctly.Feb 10 19:39
DaemonFC[m]So if you want to use Bing with no ads on Firefox, you can set the UA to Vivaldi.Feb 10 19:39
MinceRor i could just not use bìngFeb 10 19:39
MinceRor i could use it through ddg or searxFeb 10 19:40
DaemonFC[m]That said, I Bing searched "Bing Vivaldi" just for kicks, and the top results were things like "How do I delete Bing from Vivaldi?" and "Why does Bing keep coming back after I delete it from Vivaldi.". I'm shocked..... :PFeb 10 19:40
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/23/18fc4386221e4d55.jpgFeb 10 19:41
DaemonFC[m]I caught my husband playing one of those stupid Freemium games a couple months ago and we had a huge argument. He wasn't paying attantion and managed to spend over $67 in a single month.Feb 10 19:43
DaemonFC[m]I was like "If you have to pay to win, then why is the game fun? You can dump more money in and then you win? How is that fun?".Feb 10 19:43
DaemonFC[m]"Have you tried reading a library book or something to pass the time?"Feb 10 19:44
DaemonFC[m]Usually, when I go to a movie instead of just waiting for the torrent, I feel like I got cheated. Even if it was $5 Tuesday.Feb 10 19:45
DaemonFC[m]Everything is so derivative and designed to push buttons to get the desired response from test audiences in A/B tests, that there is hardly anything groundbreaking anymore.Feb 10 19:46
DaemonFC[m]They brought JJ Abrams in for the new Star Wars movie, and there was no planning done. It's almost like they threw story elements out there and then ran an A/B test on the audience to see what played well and then that's how the next chunk of the movie went, which is exactly where Palpy came in. They resurrected him off screen with no explanation at all and somehow he gets a fleet of 100,000 Star Destroyers and nobodFeb 10 19:50
DaemonFC[m]How do you account for that? Doesn't it take millions of people to operate those? And why is each one a Planet Killer when it was previously established that it took enough generators to fit on a space station the size of a moon to host a Planet Killer weapon? Or Starkiller Base. Also, there's surface life on the moon of Endor despite the Second Death Star crashing into it with over 30 times as much mass as the asterFeb 10 19:50
DaemonFC[m]left the Chicxulub crater on Earth.Feb 10 19:50
DaemonFC[m]It feels like Disney is putting much more effort into The Mandalorian than it is on the movies.Feb 10 19:51
MinceRthey could use droids instead of peopleFeb 10 19:51
MinceRthere was also some sort of starship modification which drastically reduces the need for staffFeb 10 19:51
DaemonFC[m]But they were crewed by humans.Feb 10 19:51
DaemonFC[m]It's shown on screen.Feb 10 19:51
MinceRmaybe it's cheaper to do it that way and fill them up with droidsFeb 10 19:51
MinceRmaybe he has access to cloning facilities?Feb 10 19:51
XRevan86MinceR: You can't explain away problems of a finished film.Feb 10 19:53
MinceRi haven't seen it yetFeb 10 19:55
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DaemonFC[m]Wait for the torrent.Feb 10 19:58
MinceRindeedFeb 10 19:58
MinceRi don't want to pay the MAFIAAFeb 10 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Fuck Disney. Fuck Disney+.Feb 10 19:59
DaemonFC[m]Fuck Widevine.Feb 10 19:59
DaemonFC[m]Disney+. The Vault is now open!Feb 10 20:02
DaemonFC[m]*Plugs in an external monitor.*Feb 10 20:02
DaemonFC[m]There was a security policy violation on this device and playback has been disabled. If you feel this message is in error, please contact support. Feb 10 20:02
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/651959.jpgFeb 10 20:03
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Well, you heard the law. We have to walk 20 feet from the door and start smoking. I don't agree with it, but we must comply.Feb 10 20:04
MinceRi oppose law anyway, so i'll just keep on violating itFeb 10 20:05
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I wonder how much support Dump will get this time around.Feb 10 20:08
MinceRwe'll find outFeb 10 20:08
DaemonFC[m]CNN says the midwest is bleeding manufacturing jobs and has lost over 150,000 net manufacturing jobs in the last 12 months alone, while California has picked up 500,000.Feb 10 20:08
DaemonFC[m]Make Unemployment Great Again!Feb 10 20:10
DaemonFC[m]Oh, those stupid rat bastards in Indiana will never abandon Dump.Feb 10 20:10
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MinceR(cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/24/93d98bb7bfbe0498.jpgFeb 10 20:35
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/651951.jpgFeb 10 20:57
*psychicist is using xchat on debian gnu/hurd running inside virtualbox nowFeb 10 20:58
danielp3344MinceR: 'hurry, our robot is about to get shot'Feb 10 20:58
MinceR:>Feb 10 20:58
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XRevan86psychicist: Raises a question: is HexChat unported?Feb 10 20:59
danielp3344MinceR: https://xkcd.com/1897/Feb 10 21:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Self DrivingFeb 10 21:00
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psychicistXRevan86. let me seeFeb 10 21:02
Hail_SpacecakeDaemonFC[m]: do you have a link to the CNN article making that claim?Feb 10 21:02
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psychicistXRevan86, it seems to be there too, I'm installing it nowFeb 10 21:03
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psychicist__so here I am on hexchatFeb 10 21:06
DaemonFC[m]https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/08/economy/manufacturing-jobs/index.htmlFeb 10 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The myth of the manufacturing jobs renaissance - CNNFeb 10 21:08
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, Reddit uses anti-adblock, Google tracking, their own fingerprinting setup, and Amazon's ad system.Feb 10 21:20
DaemonFC[m]Google's original plan to deprecate webrequest with declarativenetrequest would have only let 30,000 filter rules be in an ad blocker, which would have essentially forced ad blocking lists to be pared down to only trying to deal with the worst offenders and abandon most of their anti-tracking, anti-adblock rules, and "nuisance" filters. The new Manifest v3 sets the limit at 150,000 rules. Currently, ublock-origin hasFeb 10 21:23
DaemonFC[m]so loaded on my browser.Feb 10 21:23
DaemonFC[m]Vivaldi threatened to back out the limit entirely or keep the current webrequest API and then set up its own extension store for blockers and privacy extensions.Feb 10 21:24
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DaemonFC[m]Google's business interests don't necessarily line up with everyone using the Blink engine.Feb 10 21:44
DaemonFC[m]Chrome will have its own limited built-in ad filter, but it's basically designed to run all the other ad companies out of town on a rail to make more room for Google ads.Feb 10 21:44
DaemonFC[m]Of course this is illegal, but nobody in Trump's government will look too closely as long as the bribes keep pouring in.Feb 10 21:45
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "Of course this is illegal, but n"> how is it illegal?Feb 10 21:48
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla has basically already failed because of Google's illegal horseshit, but Mitchell Baker is pretty much running it as her own personal piggybank on the way down. Pulled in $2.5 million dollars last year while Mozilla browsers fell to a 12 year low and annual revenue was cut in half since 2014.Feb 10 21:48
DaemonFC[m]> how is it illegal?Feb 10 21:49
DaemonFC[m]The Sherman Antitrust Act.Feb 10 21:49
danielp3344oh thatFeb 10 21:49
danielp3344I thought we gave up on trying to use it for anythingFeb 10 21:49
MinceRthe state doesn't seem to enforce it anymoreFeb 10 21:49
DaemonFC[m]It's sitting there collecting dust while Google takes over the internet and visits to the pharmacy have gotten 50% more expensive since Dump got in.Feb 10 21:50
danielp3344DaemonFC: gas prices are down though :PFeb 10 21:50
MinceRhttps://files.catbox.moe/u0vstp.jpgFeb 10 21:50
XRevan86> It's listed as an important updateFeb 10 22:08
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: What do you mean by that?Feb 10 22:08
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DaemonFC[m]<danielp3344 "DaemonFC: gas prices are down th"> Depends. They're volatile. They got under $2 under Obama for over a year.Feb 10 22:33
DaemonFC[m]And since Trump is killing the Ethanol mandate, don't expect it to last.Feb 10 22:33
DaemonFC[m]Gas companies only blend it because they have to.Feb 10 22:34
DaemonFC[m]If the EPA is issuing waivers to all of then, they stop and Saudi oil replaces 15% of the fuel volume.Feb 10 22:34
DaemonFC[m]Also, gas is about 30 cents lower than the ten year average.Feb 10 22:35
DaemonFC[m]That will come as a great relief to diabetics who have to spend $500 that month on insulin  Feb 10 22:35
DaemonFC[m]<XRevan86 "DaemonFC: What do you mean by th"> That it's very important that a third mandatory browser that you download something else with gets installed immediately Feb 10 22:37
DaemonFC[m]I just had my own Terminator moment  MinceR.Feb 10 22:39
DaemonFC[m]I went into a fast food restaurant without buying anything, reached over the counter, and pressed the button to unlock the men's room.Feb 10 22:40
DaemonFC[m]One of them said "You can't do that.". I said, "Wrong.".Feb 10 22:40
MinceR:)Feb 10 22:43
XRevan86A genuine "what are you going to do about it" moment.Feb 10 22:44
XRevan86It's not like they're going to resort to force over piss in a toilet.Feb 10 22:45
MinceRwho knows?Feb 10 22:45
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/651938.jpgFeb 10 22:46
XRevan86MinceR: Thanks, it's 2am, but I'm going to find something to eat.Feb 10 22:47
MinceR:)Feb 10 22:47
XRevan86> That it's very important that a third mandatory browser that you download something else with gets installed immediatelyFeb 10 22:47
XRevan86Now I'm even more lost.Feb 10 22:48
MinceRit's important to microsuckFeb 10 22:48
MinceRsince if they manage to get it installed for unsuspecting hostages of Backdoors10, they get to claim "users", "market share" and similar bullshitFeb 10 22:48
XRevan86What I mean is that it's supposed to come with Windows, but it still doesn't.Feb 10 22:49
XRevan86Doesn't it make more sense to push it through Windows Update first and then PR it later?Feb 10 22:49
MinceRdoes what makes sense ever matter to the robber barons of redmond?Feb 10 22:50
XRevan86MinceR: I knew you'd say that %).Feb 10 22:50
XRevan86It's just so weird, I'm starting to wonder if they're even planning to push it through Windows Update ever at all.Feb 10 22:51
XRevan86But that doesn't make sense for them either.Feb 10 22:52
MinceRmaybe they'll go "ah, it's so great people will install it for themselves this time! and we'll get to gloat about it!"Feb 10 22:52
MinceRs/'ll go/'ve gone/Feb 10 22:52
DaemonFC[m]Windows is a dumping ground of every shitty idea they've had at Microsoft for the last 35 years.Feb 10 22:53
XRevan86MinceR: oh :)Feb 10 22:53
MinceRand once they see that it isn't and they aren't, they'll start pushing it down their throatsFeb 10 22:53
MinceRas they and RH usually doFeb 10 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Windows 2000 was a passable OS, but it's gotten so much worse since then.Feb 10 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Every time they release something it's an even bigger regression. Feb 10 22:54
MinceRby some people's concept of "passable"Feb 10 22:54
MinceRit was already a pretty good demonstration of how not to design a kernel, or how not to do dynamic linkingFeb 10 22:54
MinceRor how not to design a windowing systemFeb 10 22:54
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Windows 10 is very unique in that.Feb 10 22:54
XRevan86It's an incredible leap forward in being absolute and utter shitFeb 10 22:55
MinceRit's their declaration that it's finally acceptable for them to explicitly deploy malware on the PCs of their hostagesFeb 10 22:56
XRevan86One way to look at it is Windows 7 being the last Win32-only OS of theirs.Feb 10 22:56
MinceRno more need to keep it secret or to deny itFeb 10 22:56
XRevan86Everything after is trying to do something very different.Feb 10 22:57
XRevan86Telemetry, an application store, an API oriented at store distribution, etc.Feb 10 22:58
MinceRin other words, emulating hypeOS? :>Feb 10 22:59
XRevan86UWP doesn't look like it's catching on, just like all its predecessors, but it illustrates what Microsoft wants out of Windows.Feb 10 23:00
XRevan86MinceR: yesFeb 10 23:01
DaemonFC[m]UWP has been a disaster.Feb 10 23:05
DaemonFC[m]It made Windows more bloated and clumsy than ever.Feb 10 23:05
psydreadhas anyone ever written any UWP application?Feb 10 23:05
XRevan86But that's also the general pattern: every change in Windows 10 is literally bloat.Feb 10 23:06
XRevan86psydread: UWPXFeb 10 23:06
XRevan86That's the only one I've heard aboutFeb 10 23:06
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XRevan86It was designed with Windows Phone as its focus, so you can imagine why it used UWPFeb 10 23:07
MinceRah yes, winblows phoneFeb 10 23:07
psydreadmy colleagues had oneFeb 10 23:08
MinceRwhen microsloth decided that winblows mobile was too good and too far ahead hypeOS and they instead needed to make a hypeOS clone to succeed in the marketFeb 10 23:08
MinceRand surprisingly, they failedFeb 10 23:08
psydreadthe only windows phone I've ever seenFeb 10 23:08
psydreadcolleague*Feb 10 23:08
MinceRi used a winblows mobile 5 phoneFeb 10 23:08
MinceRi eventually got tired of how it couldn't even do alarms reliablyFeb 10 23:09
XRevan86psydread: I've seen several, they were surprisingly relatively popular in Russia.Feb 10 23:09
MinceRor tetheringFeb 10 23:09
MinceRbut still, it did things hypeOS still won't doFeb 10 23:09
XRevan86Mostly because Nokias were. Brand power.Feb 10 23:09
MinceR(and neither will winblows phone, of course)Feb 10 23:09
XRevan86Including the 7 one %)Feb 10 23:10
XRevan86Now that's a great purchase %).Feb 10 23:10
XRevan86MinceR: WinMobile tried to be a small PC, and that's pretty cool indeed.Feb 10 23:12
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XRevan86I guess we'll see more of that in a form of postmarketOS.Feb 10 23:16
XRevan86And Astra Linux^UFeb 10 23:16
DaemonFC[m]Dollar store pregnancy test.Feb 10 23:30
DaemonFC[m]50% accuracy at only 10% of the price.Feb 10 23:30
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/651888.jpgFeb 10 23:32
psydreaddo you guys think that ReactOS is worthwhile in a technical sense and potentially better in quality than whatever spyware comes out of Redmond these days?Feb 10 23:41
MinceRi don't think soFeb 10 23:42
MinceRthe last time i checked, it was incredibly unstableFeb 10 23:42
MinceRthe one guy i know who's involved with it says it's incredibly unstableFeb 10 23:42
MinceRand it's a reimplementation of an atrocious designFeb 10 23:42
psydreadI am talking to one guy who wrote NTVDM for it, but he mostly runs Linux on his machinesFeb 10 23:43
psydreadthat's what I was thinkingFeb 10 23:43
MinceRprobably the same guyFeb 10 23:43
psydreadbut I don't know much about VMS or NT at allFeb 10 23:43
DaemonFC[m]ReactOS would be great if it ever worked on anything not a VM.Feb 10 23:44
DaemonFC[m]Wine on Linux runs more stuff.Feb 10 23:45
MinceRit would be nice if we could run Backdoors applications on ReactOS, but it's hard to keep ReactOS running for long enough for this to be meaningfulFeb 10 23:45
psydreadI think I saw it working on the bare hardware at FOSDEM a few years agoFeb 10 23:46
XRevan86psydread: You honestly have a lot more luck with Wine.Feb 10 23:46
XRevan86psydread: Yes, they managed to get it working on some hardware recently.Feb 10 23:46
XRevan86You still have more luck with Hackintosh %)Feb 10 23:46
MinceRat least no interesting apps seem to be held hostage to macosFeb 10 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, ReactOS is trying to clone Windows and do it right, except you can't do Windows right.Feb 10 23:47
psydreadXRevan86, I have this "Metatrader 5" application I was trying to get working on Wine for a friend, but its rating is garbage in the WineHQ DBFeb 10 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Granted if they ever got it working at all, they wouldn't stuff it with telemetry and advertising. Feb 10 23:47
XRevan86ReactOS is also completely pointless, because it's support for Windows drivers (the main killer feature compared to Wine) is almost nonexistent.Feb 10 23:48
psydreadI remember oiaohm and me writing in a thread on the ReactOS forum more than a decade agoFeb 10 23:48
DaemonFC[m]Windows 10 is a turducken of rotting dlls and driver frameworks with spyware and advertising.Feb 10 23:48
psydreadwondering if the goal was to duplicate Windows functionality or to innovate beyond itFeb 10 23:49
XRevan86psydread: And they said "yes, but not yet"? :)Feb 10 23:49
XRevan86psydread: To duplicate Windows Server 2003Feb 10 23:50
psydreadI don't think we got much of an answer at all or not really a useful one :)Feb 10 23:50
DaemonFC[m]Vivaldi is weird. They default to Bing but their blogs suggest replacing Windows with Linux because it works better and it's more likely to stay working on the same computer as both the hardware and OS age.Feb 10 23:50
MinceRit's easy to duplicate any version of "Windows Server"Feb 10 23:50
MinceRyou take this >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Goldair_GCH200_ceramic_heater.jpgFeb 10 23:50
MinceRand put it in your data center.Feb 10 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Goldair GCH200 ceramic heater.jpg - WikipediaFeb 10 23:50
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft officially says don't expect Windows 10 "upgrades" to support you after your computer is 3 years old. Same as a Mac.Feb 10 23:51
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I'm pretty sure they didn't pick Bing altruistically.Feb 10 23:51
psydreadI ripped out the whole infrastructure for a friend 15 years ago and made it into a Linux server running Samba and Linux desktops and Windows Server on top of VMware Server only for terminal servicesFeb 10 23:53
psydreadeverything actually worked after thatFeb 10 23:53
psydreadbecause his Windows machines were attacked all the timeFeb 10 23:54
DaemonFC[m]No, most of their users complain about how shitty the Bing search results are.Feb 10 23:55
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft doesn't even really pretend it's a search engine. The first 3 pages are all ads.Feb 10 23:55
psydreadthe Atom laptop from 2015 my mom uses now came with Windows 8.1Feb 10 23:55
*XRevan86 remembers times when ReactOS developers were trying to sell it (to get funding that is) to the Russian government.Feb 10 23:55
psydreadwith Windows 10 the touchpad didn't even workFeb 10 23:55
MinceRright, it's a "decision engine" :>Feb 10 23:56
XRevan86There was an interview, I think with Jedi-to-be, boy that was cute.Feb 10 23:56
psydreadof course everything works out of the box with LinuxFeb 10 23:56
MinceRor what bullshit they named it most recently after they got tired of just renaming the whole thingFeb 10 23:56
DaemonFC[m]I tried using Bing. That was over in about 10 seconds.Feb 10 23:56
DaemonFC[m]It's junk.Feb 10 23:56
MinceRgoogle seems to be working on giving bìng a chanceFeb 10 23:57
MinceRgoogle keeps getting worse and worseFeb 10 23:57
psydreadtheir marketshare is 2% now?Feb 10 23:57
DaemonFC[m]That's why they take over your browser with malware to force Bing.Feb 10 23:57
DaemonFC[m]psydread: Mostly people using Windows who don't know how to change it, I'd imagine.Feb 10 23:58
DaemonFC[m]Nobody would choose something that shitty and useless if they knew how to get rid of it.Feb 10 23:58
psydreadI really wonder how a company like Microsoft with so many smart but sociopathic people can be so bad at creating productsFeb 10 23:58
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: You're forgetting the fear of the unknown.Feb 10 23:59
psydreadit's like a huge waste of human potentialFeb 10 23:59
DaemonFC[m]It says everything that they build Bing right into the Windows taskbar, taking up valuable real estate with a huge box that can't be changed to anything that isn't Bing.Feb 10 23:59
DaemonFC[m]And they still only get 2% of searches.Feb 10 23:59

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