●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, June 10, 2022 ●● ● Jun 10 [00:00] matey tor because fuck dns, dns is bullshit [00:01] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:01] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:04] matey most people who try it will get bored and shut theirs down, just like people who start websites [00:04] matey they make a website, get bored, abandon or delete it [00:05] matey but everyone who tries it will know how to have an irc server, if they ever need one [00:05] matey or maybe theyll decide they want to do some other kind. thats cool too [00:05] matey everyone who tries it will see an alternative to dns, and thats maybe the coolest part [00:06] TR News Were Eighteen Today Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165822 [00:06] TR Bot We're Eighteen Today | Tux Machines [00:06] matey ;whois pong [00:07] matey ^ good way to tell if youre still connected [00:07] matey theres probably a better one [00:10] TR News Links 09/06/2022: KDE Gear 22.04.2 is Out, Microsoft Abandons GitHubs Open Atom to Push Proprietary Instead | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/kde-gear-22-04-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/09/kde-gear-22-04-2/ [00:10] TR Bot Links 09/06/2022: KDE Gear 22.04.2 is Out, Microsoft Abandons GitHubs Open Atom to Push Proprietary Instead | Techrights [00:17] TR News Video: A Word on Tux Machines at 18 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/tux-machines-at-18/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/09/tux-machines-at-18/ [00:17] TR Bot Video: A Word on Tux Machines at 18 | Techrights [00:28] TR News But moving to Wayland introduces so many other issues for little practical gain https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rDUI39isAKg [00:28] TR Bot How To Configure Multi Monitor In Wayland Sway - Invidious [00:28] TR News GNU/Linux Career - Should you apply to a job if youre missing some "Requirements"? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mm6mNlbqBqE Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [00:28] TR Bot Your Linux/DevOps Career - Should you apply to a job if you're missing some "Requirements"? - Invidious [00:30] MinceR 10 010726 < matey> ^ good way to tell if youre still connected [00:30] MinceR i usually use /version for that [00:30] TR News Lots of Microsoft and now SAP, SAP, SAP, i.e. proprietary holes that have no patches for them and are actively exploited already https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/09/cisa-adds-three-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog [00:30] TR News Istio Patches, 3 Versions Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165823 [00:30] TR Bot timed out after 10517 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/09/cisa-adds-three-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog ) [00:30] TR Bot Istio Patches, 3 Versions Released | Tux Machines [00:31] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22053163 [00:31] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/335uq1jz8q191.jpg created on 2022-05-31 22:26:45.916107 [00:32] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [00:32] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@8452f46smm3nk.irc) has joined #techrights [00:33] TR News Current Sensor (ACS712) with Arduino UNO: Using the Hall Effect https://peppe8o.com/current-sensor-acs712-with-arduino-uno-using-the-hall-effect/ Source: peppe8o [00:33] TR Bot Current Sensor (ACS712) with Arduino UNO: Using the Hall Effect [00:34] TR News Automated window system helps keep the greenhouse climate regulated | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/06/09/automated-window-system-helps-keep-the-greenhouse-climate-regulated/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking [00:34] TR Bot Automated window system helps keep the greenhouse climate regulated | Arduino Blog [00:35] TR News "Staying clean is an environmentally dirty, energy-hungry business." https://stop.zona-m.net/2022/06/really-smart-dishwashers-were-are-you/ [00:35] TR Bot Really smart dishwashers, were are you? | Stop at Zona-M [00:36] TR News It's like they're competing over whose keyboard looks most bizarre, even stupid https://stop.zona-m.net/2022/06/review-of-the-truly-ergonomic-cleave-keyboard/ [00:36] TR Bot Review of the Truly Ergonomic Cleave Keyboard | Stop at Zona-M [00:36] matey /version [00:37] matey oh yeah [00:37] matey /me tries it for the very first time [00:37] TR News Overstating the relevance of Apple-branded chips https://www.kdab.com/universal-binaries/ [00:37] TR Bot timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.kdab.com/universal-binaries/ ) [00:37] MinceR well, if /me doesn't work, i dunno if /version works :> [00:38] matey it does [00:38] TR News Graffiti robot paints like a human | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/06/09/graffiti-robot-paints-like-a-human/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking [00:38] TR Bot Graffiti robot paints like a human | Arduino Blog [00:38] matey i made it through the manual [00:38] matey somehow i made it through [00:38] MinceR :) [00:40] TR News Taint in Perl https://theweeklychallenge.org/blog/taint/ Source: theweeklychallenge [00:40] TR Bot Taint in Perl [00:46] schestowitz_TR2 matey: when you use "/" it gets interpreted differently [00:46] schestowitz_TR2 I was never sure why [00:46] MinceR i think he uses some sort of weird gateway from a non-IRC thing [00:47] TR News Presumed spyware ttps://www.ghacks.net/2022/06/09/opera-88-launches-with-shopping-corner-feature/ [00:48] TR News "Developer Edition model that ships with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Linux instead." https://liliputing.com/2022/06/the-2022-dell-xps-13-is-a-2-6-pound-notebook-with-intel-alder-lake-u-and-windows-or-ubuntu-support.html [00:48] matey its got nothing to do with a gateway [00:48] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://liliputing.com/2022/06/the-2022-dell-xps-13-is-a-2-6-pound-notebook-with-intel-alder-lake-u-and-windows-or-ubuntu-support.html ) [00:48] matey no matter how i connect to ANY irc network [00:48] matey my choices are [00:48] matey me this [00:48] matey /me this [00:49] matey and ACTION this [00:49] matey ACTION does the closest thing to what /me does [00:49] TR News Proprietary and likely spies on you https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/06/vivaldi-mail-is-stable-ready-for-use [00:49] TR Bot Ping Vivaldi Mail is Stable, Ready for Everyday Use - OMG! Ubuntu! [00:49] matey im literally just typing ACTION [00:49] matey i can do the little <> things too but since those arent standard, why bother [00:50] TR News Apple offers improved Linux support in macOS Ventura http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165736#comment-33928 [00:50] TR Bot Kernel: Graphics Work and Apple Facilitates ARM Linux Virtual Machines | Tux Machines [00:51] matey i dont think "me" or "action" are real commands like the others [00:51] MinceR weird client then, perhaps [00:51] matey thats the really weird thing [00:51] MinceR /me normally sends a /ctcp ACTION [00:51] matey ohhh [00:51] matey hmm [00:51] MinceR which is an ordinary PRIVMSG except with a '\001'ACTION before the message and a '\001' after it [00:52] MinceR or something like that [00:52] MinceR ('\001' represents ascii code 1) [00:52] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:52] matey thats pretty bizarre [00:52] MinceR i don't know who hacked it in like that [00:52] matey it sounds too high for king lee [00:52] matey maybe elon [00:53] matey he was trying the effects of weed in microgravity and decided to contribute something to irc, which he loved as a kid [00:53] matey apart from the fact that this goes back too far for that to be plausible [00:53] matey maybe he got so high he travelled in time [00:54] TR News PipeWire 0.3.52 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PipeWire-0.3.52-Released [00:54] TR Bot 0.3.52 Released To Continue Enhancing Linux Audio/Video Streams - Phoronix [00:54] MinceR could be worse [00:54] MinceR like khaled [00:54] MinceR but i doubt it [00:54] matey then he went on joe rogan to look like just a casual user, not a weed research pushing the boundaries of known physical laws, man [00:54] MinceR considering that CTCP replies use NOTICE and khaled couldn't figure out what NOTICEs are for [00:54] matey yeah its a bit farfetched [00:55] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165824 [00:55] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [00:55] matey but how else do you explain: an ordinary PRIVMSG except with a '\001'ACTION before the message and a '\001' after it [00:55] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client-to-client_protocol [00:55] TR Bot Client-to-client protocol - Wikipedia [00:55] MinceR this says it comes from ircII [00:55] MinceR at least CTCP does [00:55] matey some servers now drop ctcp but [00:55] matey im sure they make an exception for /me [00:56] MinceR CTCP has nothing to do with servers [00:56] MinceR except there are channel modes that can block it [00:56] TR News LOL. "Dev Ops". What is I am AI Sec Smart Dev DB Ops? https://bryanquigley.com/posts/dev-ops-job.html [00:56] TR Bot Dev Ops job? | Bryan Quigley [00:56] matey i only say servers because [00:56] MinceR but i doubt even those block ACTION [00:56] matey that, yes [00:56] matey thats what i was saying [00:56] matey "im sure they make an exception for /me" [00:57] TR News "TODAY is a special day because tuxmachines.org was registered exactly 18 years ago. We recently renewed this domain's registration for 5 more years (i.e. until middle of 2027) as we certainly expect the site to go on and on for a long time to come." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165822 [00:57] TR Bot We're Eighteen Today | Tux Machines [00:57] TR News Tux Machines (tuxmachines.org) has been steady and vibrant for a very long time; we plan to keep on going for a long time to come because the site is very important to a lot of people http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/tux-machines-at-18/ [00:57] TR Bot Video: A Word on Tux Machines at 18 | Techrights [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [00:59] TR News At about 150 million hits per year, in 18 years one can imagine tuxmachines served north of 2 billion files. But we don't keep count and it does not matter. [00:59] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [00:59] MinceR :) ● Jun 10 [01:00] TR News I really like the part where ESR speaks how some people work for 1) recognition 2) more than oneself 3) a sense of helping to improve the world INSTEAD of for money. Around 40 minutes into http://techrights.org/2022/06/09/the-code/ [01:00] TR Bot The Code: Story of GNU/Linux (Documentary Now for Free as in Free Beer) | Techrights [01:03] matey ACTION tries this [01:04] matey hmm i got the \001 but im not sure it pasted [01:06] MinceR doesn't look like it did [01:06] MinceR did you put one at the beginning and also at the end? [01:06] matey echo "\001" | editor [01:06] matey then the <> showed up in the editor [01:06] matey then i added ACTION tries this [01:06] matey and another <> [01:07] matey im saying <> because if i paste the it doesnt show [01:08] matey of course if i just ACTION do this [01:08] matey theres no ambiguity [01:08] matey its only cosmetic, except perhaps on a screen reader [01:10] matey for me this is an intellectual curiosity, but not more important than that [01:10] matey its not like pm doesnt work [01:11] TR News Arduino Projects: Graffit, Greenhouses, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165825 [01:11] TR Bot Arduino Projects: Graffiti, Greenhouses, and More | Tux Machines [01:11] TR News Top 20 Best Linux Remote Desktop Clients in 2022 (Fast & Secure) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165826 [01:11] TR Bot Top 20 Best Linux Remote Desktop Clients in 2022 (Fast & Secure) | Tux Machines [01:11] matey it would be neat if pasting in the correctly formatted text "just worked" but so far it doesnt seem to [01:12] TR News Stefano Maffulli thanks Free software https://blog.opensource.org/the-osi-celebrates-maintainer-month/ [01:12] TR Bot The OSI celebrates maintainer month - Voices of Open Source [01:13] matey unrelated but similar? (and likely ancient) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1760176 [01:13] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1760176 ) [01:14] TR News This has back doors. And it's ALSO waaaaaayyyyyyy too expensive https://linuxgizmos.com/topaz-2-mini-pc-from-simply-nuc-comes-with-intel-12th-gen-processors-quad-displays-and-dual-ethernet-ports/ x86 = relic [01:14] matey https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34168706/how-to-send-an-action-to-irc-with-python-sockets [01:14] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/topaz-2-mini-pc-from-simply-nuc-comes-with-intel-12th-gen-processors-quad-displays-and-dual-ethernet-ports/ ) [01:14] TR Bot How to send an ACTION to irc with python & sockets - Stack Overflow [01:15] TR News There are very visible stock shortages and price hikes in the "Raspi" products. I've checked... [01:16] MinceR yeah [01:16] TR News systemd is ruining the experience of Ubuntu users (and others), unexpectedly killing their applications without even asking for consent https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2022-June/042116.html [01:16] TR Bot systemd-oomd issues on desktop [01:16] MinceR does your client have a /ctcp command? [01:16] matey it does not appear to [01:16] MinceR or perhaps /action? [01:16] matey tried that [01:16] matey it has version [01:17] MinceR :) [01:17] matey my guess is [01:17] TR News Systemd is IBM. IBM aka ICBM. It's good at killing things. [01:17] matey it has version because the server does [01:17] matey and it doesnt have ctcp, at all [01:18] TR News "MultiPath TCP (MPTCP) gives you a way to bundle multiple paths between systems to increase bandwidth and resilience from failures" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/using-multipath-tcp-better-survive-outages-and-increase-bandwidth [01:18] matey so theres no action etc [01:18] matey but this is just a guess [01:18] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/using-multipath-tcp-better-survive-outages-and-increase-bandwidth ) [01:19] TR News systemd "Great. I have seen the new OOM killer the whole gnome-session when things get crazy. I hope it would first kill apps before coming to killing the session itself." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1328042-ubuntu-deciding-how-to-tame-their-systemd-oomd-killing-experience [01:19] TR Bot Deciding How To Tame Their systemd-oomd Killing Experience - Phoronix Forums [01:21] *techrights-news has quit (Received malformed line) [01:21] MinceR maybe systemd could try killing itself to free up memory [01:22] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #techrights [01:22] TR News "transformation" = more vendor lock-in, more layoffs, more graft https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/digital-transformation-3-ways-it-changes-companies [01:22] TR Bot Digital transformation: 3 ways it changes companies | The Enterprisers Project [01:22] schestowitz "One of many reasons I don't use systemd and use OpenRC on Gentoo instead, I don't use any of the OOM deamons crap to mitigate low memory scenarios, vanilla Linux is really bad at handling near OOM scenarios, hard to believe that throughout all these years and in 2022 upstream linux does not have a good heuristics to deal with OOM" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1328042-ubuntu-deciding-how-to- [01:22] schestowitz tame-their-systemd-oomd-killing-experience [01:22] TR Bot timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1328042-ubuntu-deciding-how-to- ) [01:24] *techrights-news has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:29] psydruid maybe GNU/Linux should drink the Kool-Aid and kill itself along with systemd [01:30] matey it does, it just takes little sips [01:30] matey gnu/linux IS systemd [01:30] MinceR no, it's not [01:30] MinceR GNU/Linux is what systemd is killing [01:31] matey yeah, in the way that a parasite kills its host [01:31] matey but removing the parasite also kills the host [01:31] MinceR yeah [01:31] MinceR no, it wouldn't kill the host [01:31] MinceR if there's a significant part of the host remaining, anyway [01:31] matey the thing is, gnu/linux is gradually being REPLACED with systemd [01:31] psydruid yes [01:32] matey if there's a significant part of the host remaining, anyway <- yes, but more of the people who were interested in that are simply giving up and moving away [01:32] matey if they want to stay, it doesnt bother me [01:32] psydruid fortunately for us activelow has saved the part of GNU/Linux that was worth saving and got rid of all the fat [01:32] matey but if they stay, i know whats going to happen, because i stayed-- for half a decade [01:32] matey and i can tell you how it went and how it will (most likely) go from here [01:32] matey if im wrong? great [01:32] matey then its still gnu/linux and thats another problem-- the linux kernel [01:33] matey but those ARE still two separate issues for now [01:33] matey theyre just in a similar category [01:34] matey my impression of gnu/linux was always that the linux part was optional [01:34] matey seems like one of the things systemd is supposed to fix-- make it depend on linux [01:34] matey that way as linux gets out of hand, what are you gonna do about it? [01:34] matey debian used to have debian/kfreebsd people [01:35] matey debian used to have hurd (even though i dont care about hurd at all) [01:35] matey now its tied to one kernel, one init, in one swoop [01:36] matey of course you can dig it out-- thats the license [01:36] psydruid Red GNU/Linux [01:36] matey lets look at the past 7-8 years of effort to undo the corporate effort to make gnu more proprietary [01:36] psydruid One vision for one goal [01:36] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #techrights [01:36] matey gnu/linux, gnu+linux [01:36] matey now its gnulinux gnuinux [01:37] matey gnunix [01:37] psydruid sygnusd/linux [01:37] matey systemg [01:37] TR News "Generational stereotypes arent always insulting, but they can be harmful" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/it-hiring-3-myths-about-generational-differences ask ICBM; it's a culprit: http://techrights.org/2022/02/16/only-the-privileged/ [01:37] TR Bot 3 IT hiring myths about generational differences | The Enterprisers Project [01:37] matey whats the g stand for? nothing anymore [01:38] TR Bot When Only Rich and Powerful Corporations Can Use Slurs and Hurt Marginalised/Vulnerable People | Techrights [01:38] TR News "Cockpit is the modern Linux admin interface. We release regularly." https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-271.html [01:38] TR News EBS Storage Performance Notes Instance throughput vs Volume throughput https://vivani.net/2022/06/09/ebs-storage-performance-notes-instance-throughput-vs-volume-throughput/ [01:38] TR News Fedora used to attract millions. Now it's just a few thousands. ICBM nuked it. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/community-blog-monthly-summary-may-2022/ [01:38] TR Bot timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-271.html ) [01:38] psydruid gatesware [01:38] matey "fsf" is pronounced "" [01:38] TR News "Disclosure: TheCUBE is a paid media partner for the KubeCon + CloudNativeCon Europe event." This is paid-for "media" "coverage" -- a growing and disturbing trend https://siliconangle.com/2022/06/05/3-insights-might-missed-kubecon-eu-kubecon/?sc_cid=7013a000002q6eQAAQ [01:38] TR News KDE Goals interview: "All about the Apps" with Aleix Pol - Kockatoo Tube https://tube.kockatoo.org/w/n4sFdeJ1BrmZwuHRyAwzpo Source: KDE [01:38] matey because "theyre all silent" [01:38] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://vivani.net/2022/06/09/ebs-storage-performance-notes-instance-throughput-vs-volume-throughput/ ) [01:38] TR Bot Community Blog monthly summary: May 2022 Fedora Community Blog [01:38] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://siliconangle.com/2022/06/05/3-insights-might-missed-kubecon-eu-kubecon/?sc_cid=7013a000002q6eQAAQ ) [01:38] psydruid like UnixWare and sourceware [01:38] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://tube.kockatoo.org/w/n4sFdeJ1BrmZwuHRyAwzpo ) [01:39] matey sourceware "join me and we will rule the universe together" [01:39] matey "for freedom right?" [01:39] matey "sure, for freedom!" [01:39] TR News Bridging the synchronization gap on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165827 [01:39] TR Bot Bridging the synchronization gap on Linux | Tux Machines [01:41] MinceR one vision, one purpose [01:43] TR News Now you can boot Linux on Apple devices with A7 and A8 series chips http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165564#comment-33929 [01:43] TR Bot Have an old iPad lying around? You might be able to make it run Linux soon | Tux Machines [01:44] TR News Videos: KDE, Careers, and Wayland Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165828 [01:44] TR Bot Videos: KDE, Careers, and Wayland | Tux Machines [01:44] TR News Fedora Project / Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165829 [01:44] TR Bot Fedora Project / Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:45] TR News LF = marketing fluff instead of Linux. Self-serving sales. https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/lfx-mentorship-for-me/ [01:45] TR Bot LFX Mentorship for Me - Linux Foundation [01:49] matey i think people banking on gnu/linux are probably fooling themselves at this point [01:49] matey if someone can tell me how to liberate linux, or gnu [01:49] matey i spent years on that, maybe someone has an idea we havent heard yet [01:49] matey but basically everying is just out digging trenches for most of a decade [01:50] matey its just a war of attrition [01:50] matey i dont even think theres an outcome anyone wants, rather its a lower bar of entry for those who want to buy time [01:50] matey and thats fine too [01:51] matey pretending theres a future in linux being further taken over doesnt seem useful to me [01:51] TR News Haiku and FreeBSD OS Development Reports Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165830 [01:51] TR Bot Haiku and FreeBSD OS Development Reports | Tux Machines [01:51] matey but buying time while they figure out whats left, that at least makes sense [01:51] matey thats what i was calling it a couple years ago [01:51] MinceR for all i know, it could still be the best thing to start a new OS from [01:52] matey it could still be the best thing to start a new OS from <- the advantage is hw support imo [01:52] matey the rest is probably hype [01:52] matey it supports more software, but that really just means more people compile software for it [01:53] matey which is a circular marketshare argument-- the more popular kernel gets targeted by more authors-- just like when people cared there was more software for windows [01:53] matey the real advantage is hw support [01:53] MinceR i haven't tested enough BSDs yet [01:53] matey technically neither have i [01:53] MinceR and i don't know why OpenBSD likes to crash on my ExpertBook [01:54] matey my criteria are pretty strict [01:54] matey ExpertBook <- what arch? [01:54] MinceR x84_64 [01:54] MinceR no [01:54] MinceR x86_64 [01:54] psydruid model? [01:55] MinceR B9450 or something like that [01:56] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@weuvbrxzpj2g2.irc) has joined #techrights [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 10 [02:01] *immibis has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:01] *immibis has quit (connection closed) [02:01] *immibis (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [02:01] *immibis (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [02:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [02:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [02:04] psydruid maybe things changed on newer Intel platforms [02:04] psydruid I only have 6th and 7th gen Intel Core [02:05] MinceR i thought "maybe for my main mobile workstation i should stick to something many businesses use for Linux-based stuff, like a ThinkPad", and then my ThinkPad would get that failure to boot with some bullshit about firmware bugs... [02:09] TR News Microbell, spokesperson for AMD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Financial-Day-2022 no, nothing to do with Linux... but follow the money [02:09] TR Bot Talks Up Zen 4 AVX-512, Genoa, Siena & More At Financial Analyst Day - Phoronix [02:11] matey "maybe for my main mobile workstation i should stick to something many businesses use for Linux-based stuff, like a ThinkPad" [02:11] MinceR advanced microbell devices? [02:11] matey it used to be that hardware was designed to run software in general [02:11] matey and then software was divided into two camps [02:11] matey 1. software designed to enable the user [02:11] matey 2. software designed to control the user [02:12] matey then, the hardware started being designed to control the use [02:12] TR News 33.3% of Phoronix articles yesterday were about AMD, a company with only 15.5k workers. Does that seem disproportionate? [02:12] matey then software that was designed to enable the user started being converted into software designed to control the user [02:12] matey so everything (in the x86 world) is now designed to control the user [02:12] schestowitz_TR2 ding ding ding (bell) [02:12] matey same goes for a lot of arm stuff too [02:13] psydruid https://wccftech.com/ampere-ampereone-cpu-arm-architecture-launch-later-2022-ddr5-pcie-5-0-support-compares-intel-amd-x86-cpus-against-altra-family/ [02:13] TR Bot Ampere's AmpereOne CPU With ARM Architecture To Launch Later This Year With DDR5 & PCIe 5.0 Support, Compares Intel & AMD x86 CPUs Against Altra Family [02:13] matey the point certainly isnt that we will all switch to non-x86 next week. i know i wouldnt do it that soon even if i wanted it to [02:13] psydruid you rarely hear this from MicroAMD [02:13] matey the point is that from here, x86 only gets worse [02:14] matey theres not a lot of happy news there [02:14] matey just like people wont switch from gnu/linux until they hate it enough [02:14] matey people wont switch from x86 until they hate it enough [02:14] matey which means theyre just going to suffer (probably me along with them) until they finally say enough is enough [02:15] MinceR i would have liked to switch, but couldn't find anything that isn't worse than x86 [02:15] matey when it comes to x86 stuff, im just like people who still use gnu/linux [02:15] psydruid x86 is dead to me, but it is still walking round as a zombie [02:15] matey couldn't find anything that isn't worse than x86 <- its hard to find [02:15] matey if i didnt trust some people who swear it wont be this way, i wouldnt believe it [02:15] matey x86 has no future but at some point we will prefer something else [02:16] TR News Qt pitching proprietary software https://www.qt.io/blog/scalability-to-the-max [02:16] TR Bot Scalability to the Max MCU and MPU Development with the Same License [02:16] matey i dont think we are there yet, and it will depend on what we think is so great about x86 [02:16] matey for me-- its simply that its what people throw away [02:16] matey thats the appeal [02:16] TR News LibreOffice QA/Dev Report: May 2022 https://qa.blog.documentfoundation.org/2022/06/09/qa-dev-report-may-2022/ [02:16] matey i pay them for it too [02:16] matey but its cheaper because they dont want it [02:17] TR Bot QA/Dev Report: May 2022 - LibreOffice QA Blog [02:17] psydruid it may become harder to justify it even for that reason because of power consumption [02:17] matey well, at some point ill simply be able to go pick cheaper stuff up at a store [02:17] psydruid and they aren't going to use less, it is only becoming worse [02:17] matey i dont order electronics in the mail [02:18] matey they aren't going to use less, it is only becoming worse <- yes, x86 will only get worse [02:18] matey it wont get better than this [02:18] matey it already sucks [02:18] matey which means anyone holding out is waiting for it to suck enough to where theyre done [02:19] MinceR 10 031610 < matey> i dont think we are there yet, and it will depend on what we think is so great about x86 [02:19] matey when windows xp came out i was already done, but had no other options [02:19] TR News Lack of water or access to water (humans demand a lot) https://lu.is/blog/2022/06/09/water-on-the-brain-joining-openet-board/ [02:19] TR Bot Water on the brain; joining OpenET board Luis Villa: Open Tech and Policy [02:19] MinceR being able to easily boot a bunch of stuff from removable devices without it having to be designed for the exact board is a big one [02:19] matey being able to easily boot a bunch of stuff from removable devices without it having to be designed for the exact board is a big on <- this [02:19] matey i know [02:19] psydruid I believe they are feeling the heat from Apple, Qualcomm and other companies and keep pushing performance regardless of power consumption and heat, because they have no other choice [02:20] TR News Cynic: there's a lack of water. Realist: there are just too many people. And it keeps growing and growing... [02:20] TR News Sailfish OS - Command Line Interface & Customisation Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165831 [02:20] TR Bot Sailfish OS - Command Line Interface & Customisation | Tux Machines [02:21] TR News Registration for Linux Plumbers Conference is now open https://lpc.events/blog/2022/index.php/2022/06/09/registration-for-linux-plumbers-conference-is-now-open/ Microsoft was REMOVED as a sponsor [02:21] TR Bot Registration for Linux Plumbers Conference is now open Linux Plumbers Conference 2022 [02:21] matey in some ways the raspi was like the c64, bbc micro or the zxsinclair [02:21] matey in that it has captured so many peoples imaginations and its a household name [02:21] matey but none of those put a computer in every household [02:22] TR News "Back in 2017 I did work to setup a cross-building toolchain for QT Creator, that takes advantage of Debian's packaging for all the dependency ecosystem. It ended with cbqt which is a little script that sets up a chroot to hold cross-build-dependencies, to avoid conflicting with packages in the host system, and sets up a qmake alternative to make use of them." http://www.enricozini.org/blog/2022/qt5/updating-cbqt-for-bullseye [02:22] matey theres no "pc" of the arm soc world yet [02:22] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.enricozini.org/blog/2022/qt5/updating-cbqt-for-bullseye/ ) [02:22] matey its not compelling enough except for enthusiasts [02:22] matey for some this is a feature [02:22] matey i respect that [02:23] matey but we have yet to see non-x86 "take over" the way x86 did [02:23] matey even when we do, it will be more diverse [02:23] matey there wont be the full compatibility we have now [02:23] schestowitz_TR2 what does pc really mean? [02:23] matey if you want everything to work [02:23] schestowitz_TR2 historically, yes [02:23] psydruid non-x86 has already taken over everything but the desktop and the laptop [02:23] schestowitz_TR2 personal [02:23] schestowitz_TR2 as many did not have their own [02:23] matey what does pc really mean? <- standards people can grasp [02:23] psydruid and that will happen too [02:24] matey and that will happen to <- i believe it will [02:24] schestowitz_TR2 you could say a tablet is a pc [02:24] schestowitz_TR2 it's a computer and personal [02:24] matey you could say a tablet is a pc <- id rather not [02:24] schestowitz_TR2 that's why I don't use the term pc, just "desstop/laptop" [02:24] matey it took me at least 15 years to say a mac is a pc :) [02:24] schestowitz_TR2 laptop has a physical keybopard [02:24] schestowitz_TR2 and usually folds [02:24] psydruid Loongson already had free firmware that could boot a kernel directly from an ext2 partition [02:24] matey that's why I don't use the term pc <- it has its uses [02:25] schestowitz_TR2 "desktop" = external screen [02:25] matey Loongson already had free firmware that could boot a kernel directly from an ext2 partition <- i had one [02:25] schestowitz_TR2 many sbcs are headless [02:25] matey i wish i could have given it to someone who could better use it [02:25] matey i came across other netbooks and used those [02:25] matey i still have a netbook [02:25] matey i use it rarely [02:25] psydruid those systems were meant for developers and enthusiasts [02:26] matey i was less of a developer and enthusiast then [02:26] psydruid but I ran everything on it [02:26] matey i really just wanted a netbook [02:26] psydruid including YouTube that worked using gnash [02:27] psydruid the latest generation of Loongson has become pretty good [02:27] matey its been a long time since ive seen anything like that [02:27] matey too bad really [02:28] matey rms got his loongson stolen and then he switched to stinkpads [02:28] matey i dont think theres a connection, but wow, wouldnt that be sinister [02:28] psydruid oh wow [02:28] psydruid so that's why he stopped using it [02:28] matey yeah it was stolen in paraguay or uraguay i think [02:28] matey dont ask me which, theres a story about it somewhere [02:28] psydruid he simply didn't have it anymore [02:29] matey fsf btw, provides him with a laptop [02:29] matey its one of the services they provide [02:29] matey he doesnt get paid by them [02:29] matey he does need a laptop [02:29] matey when his laptop was stolen they gave him another [02:30] psydruid it's the decent thing to do when you are talking about the founder [02:30] matey argentina [02:30] psydruid or employees in general [02:30] matey nearly 10 years ago to the day https://www.theregister.com/2012/06/12/stallman_laptop_stolen/ [02:30] TR Bot Thief open-sources Richard Stallman's laptop, passport, visa The Register [02:30] matey it's the decent thing to do <- it makes sense [02:31] matey if the president doesnt have a computer theyre just going to say "well, go buy one" [02:31] matey i mean thats a reasonable thing to put in the budget [02:31] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:31] matey its not a luxury [02:31] matey theyre about SOFTWARE, it runs on comptuers [02:31] matey still its one of those things if you didnt know you might not guess [02:32] schestowitz_TR2 you ARE MS [02:33] schestowitz_TR2 RMS [02:33] schestowitz_TR2 with his passport [02:33] matey "Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation, was distressed to find his personal belongings had been liberally distributed sans GPL" [02:33] schestowitz_TR2 his laptop... [02:33] matey what a cunty author [02:33] matey oh its a woman! [02:33] schestowitz_TR2 yeah, microsoft register [02:33] matey she writes like a nasty man [02:33] matey but okay [02:33] schestowitz_TR2 Anna leech [02:33] matey nice name [02:33] schestowitz_TR2 like the thief [02:34] schestowitz_TR2 https://www.theregister.com/Author/Anna-Leach [02:34] schestowitz_TR2 became inactive less than a year l;ater [02:34] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.theregister.com/Author/Anna-Leach ) [02:34] schestowitz_TR2 sacked maybe [02:34] schestowitz_TR2 https://www.theregister.com/Author/Kieren-McCarthy/ [02:34] schestowitz_TR2 he used to cover EPO issues [02:34] TR Bot Kieren McCarthy The Register [02:34] schestowitz_TR2 nothing in more than 6 months :/ [02:35] schestowitz_TR2 Microsoft Tim https://www.theregister.com/Author/Tim-Anderson [02:35] TR Bot Tim Anderson The Register [02:35] schestowitz_TR2 nothing in more than 4 months [02:35] schestowitz_TR2 he moved to some rather obscure and dodgy site [02:35] matey softly nibbling the hand that feeds it [02:35] schestowitz_TR2 whioch we caught them doing plagiarism [02:35] schestowitz_TR2 RMS bewing robbed is a joke to them [02:36] schestowitz_TR2 I hope someone does this to the author a [02:36] matey well yeah [02:36] schestowitz_TR2 and then we can make jokes [02:36] schestowitz_TR2 see how she feels [02:36] schestowitz_TR2 it's his passport too [02:36] schestowitz_TR2 and all his data [02:36] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-090622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-090622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-090622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-090622.txt [02:36] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, June 09, 2022 [02:36] schestowitz_TR2 iirc, when I met him in person he told me he had lost lots of stuff there [02:36] schestowitz_TR2 my cousin had a home breakin [02:36] schestowitz_TR2 and all the digital devices got stolent [02:37] schestowitz_TR2 the backups too [02:37] schestowitz_TR2 no house fire, but it is important to isolate devices [02:37] matey offsite backups are good [02:37] matey along with onsite backups [02:37] TR News Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. 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Some people register domains with the names of things they fight against. [02:53] TR News Misses the point the malware gets there not because of Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165810#comment-33930 [02:53] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:56] TR News systemd Kills Apps Too Frequently Users Aren't Impressed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165829#comment-33932 [02:56] TR Bot Fedora Project / Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:57] TR News GNU Hackers Meeting 2022 proposal: zmir, Turkey https://ageinghacker.net/blog/posts/28/ see http://techrights.org/2022/06/02/turkey-in-pictures/ [02:57] TR Bot GNU Hackers Meeting 2022 proposal: zmir, Turkey 2022-06-10 01:55 [02:57] TR Bot In Picture: Updated and Finally Presented About 10 Minutes Ago, Windows Market Share in Turkey Down to 10% | Techrights [02:57] DaemonFC https://metamucilapp.com/products.php?product=Metamucil-Premium-Blend-Sugar%252dFree-Orange-Powder-%252d-30-teaspoon [02:57] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, Metamucil has an app now. [02:58] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://metamucilapp.com/products.php?product=Metamucil-Premium-Blend-Sugar%252dFree-Orange-Powder-%252d-30-teaspoon ) [02:58] DaemonFC "What is this shit?" [02:58] DaemonFC :) [02:58] schestowitz_TR2 Metamucil? [02:58] psydruid Rule Brittany for a Day, Lose the Region Forever [02:58] schestowitz_TR2 sounds like a name of a programmer's package [02:58] schestowitz_TR2 musil [02:58] schestowitz_TR2 meta package [02:58] schestowitz_TR2 does it have good apis? [02:58] schestowitz_TR2 for the "smarT"? [02:59] schestowitz_TR2 and for the "hey hi"? [02:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 99.80 [02:59] schestowitz_TR2 (musl [02:59] DaemonFC You can tell a company how well you're shitting while using their product. [02:59] matey Rule Brittany for a Day <- oops, one did it again? [02:59] schestowitz_TR2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musl [02:59] TR Bot musl - Wikipedia [02:59] DaemonFC "Excuse me while I go shit my guts out!" [02:59] DaemonFC Oh, happy shitting! ● Jun 10 [03:00] schestowitz_TR2 many people are dumb enough to participate [03:00] schestowitz_TR2 it'll hurt them [03:01] schestowitz_TR2 technoology is used a lot to harm people [03:01] schestowitz_TR2 and to exploit a presumption of innocence [03:01] schestowitz_TR2 today I gave Gulag 2 hours of videos of me [03:01] schestowitz_TR2 because of some meeting [03:02] schestowitz_TR2 they record everything [03:02] schestowitz_TR2 of all particpants [03:02] schestowitz_TR2 it's 'free' [03:02] schestowitz_TR2 (not my choice) [03:02] matey serious open ports [03:02] psydruid you're going to be famous on GulagTube [03:03] schestowitz_TR2 I think all major athletes need to give stool samples [03:03] schestowitz_TR2 also in brach of privacy and dignity [03:03] schestowitz_TR2 because of sopers [03:03] schestowitz_TR2 *dopers [03:04] schestowitz_TR2 I did not give real name [03:04] schestowitz_TR2 but they see email addresses [03:04] psydruid silvio.berlusconi@bunga.com [03:05] TR News Mozilla: we don't use Free software https://www.otsukare.info/2022/06/10/get-browsers-version-macos-zsh [03:05] TR Bot Get browsers version number on macOS (zsh) - otsukare [03:05] matey just put alan turing as the name [03:05] matey theres a guy who broke privacy for the best reasons [03:05] matey and also needed privacy for the best reasons [03:06] IPFS Gemini requests since start of month: 67833 total Total number of pages in capsule: 41032 Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-05-27 10:17:06 BST; 1 weeks 6 days ago [03:06] TR News Ericsson supports TERRORISM. It also bought two seats in the 'Linux' Foundation. Ouch! https://itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/us-sec-opens-probe-into-ericsson-s-alleged-bribery-in-iraq.html [03:06] TR Bot - US SEC opens probe into Ericsson's alleged bribery in Iraq [03:07] IPFS IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 44 MB TotalOut: 8.4 MB [03:07] TR News What do the 'Linux' Foundation and ISIS have in common? Both receive bribes from Ericsson. [03:07] darwin 'source' doesn't mean 'source code' but the project/people or site you get that code from [03:08] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:10] TR News What is the programming language most commonly used to write malware? JavaScript. But it's typically "legit" and "reputable" malware... [03:10] IPFS QmYWDELshz6Di3MpKWjLgsiPciyEWkTZcSmWYTfxmQ51wK [03:11] IPFS New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above. [03:11] TR News DPKG Architecture List https://linuxhint.com/dpkg-architecture-list/ Source: LinuxHint | GNU | Linux | FreeSW [03:11] TR Bot DPKG Architecture List [03:13] psydruid Github is a primary source of malware as is its parent company [03:14] TR News Sam Hartman: Flailing to Replace Jack with Pipewire for DJ Audio https://hartmans.dreamwidth.org/99762.html [03:14] TR Bot hartmans | Flailing to Replace Jack with Pipewire for DJ Audio [03:15] schestowitz_TR2 psydruid: and npm [03:15] schestowitz_TR2 but the media blames [03:15] schestowitz_TR2 the recipients [03:15] schestowitz_TR2 who get the malware [03:15] schestowitz_TR2 "Linux" [03:15] schestowitz_TR2 Microsoft is the drug lord [03:16] schestowitz_TR2 the drug manufacturer sometimes [03:16] schestowitz_TR2 but you shoot the users [03:16] schestowitz_TR2 like Duterte does [03:16] psydruid that's why a total breakdown of all information systems is needed [03:17] psydruid if everything is dead, Microsoft will also die [03:17] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2022/01/21/peak-code-before-the-wars/ [03:17] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2022/01/22/lost-source/ [03:17] psydruid as people may finally see the light [03:17] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrights.org/2022/01/21/peak-code-before-the-wars/ ) [03:17] schestowitz_TR2 http://techrights.org/2022/01/23/after-code/ [03:17] TR Bot Peak Code Part II: Lost Source | Techrights [03:18] TR Bot Peak Code Part III: After Code | Techrights [03:19] matey that's why a total breakdown of all information systems is needed <- is it? [03:20] matey i mean a heavy breakdown is needed [03:20] matey in society, information tech or both [03:20] matey but imo we have that happening now [03:20] matey it will happen [03:20] matey i dont know if it actually needs to be " a total breakdown of all information systems" and im not just being nice [03:21] matey imo the spectre of "back to the stone age" is a threat from civilisation itself [03:21] matey "LOVE ME OR ILL KILL YOU ALL" it says [03:21] matey "LOVE ME OR YOULL HAVE TO GO BACK TO BANGING ROCKS TOGETHER TO COOK FOOD!" [03:21] matey no, there are other options [03:22] matey anytime you walk away from advanced bullshit it threatens you with historical technology [03:22] matey if you leave microsoft youll have to go back to punch cards [03:23] matey this is just a conceit of society itself [03:23] matey obey or there will be nothing left to do but dig ditches [03:23] matey wouldnt you rather put on something ugly and polyestor and take peoples money, with us? [03:24] matey thats got to be better than standing out there in the mud [03:24] matey it was actually daniel quinn that taught me to fight that myth [03:24] psydruid I am not sure building castles on a foundation of quicksand is what we should be doing [03:24] matey the myth that its either THIS or back to the caves [03:24] matey i mean you can throw a spear, right? [03:24] psydruid but things are already happening, as you say [03:24] matey I am not sure building castles on a foundation of quicksand is what we should be doing <- agreed [03:24] matey we need better foundations [03:25] matey and better castles [03:25] psydruid the hardware is being redeveloped from scratch [03:25] matey what we dont need is 20th century corporate mythology to be our guide [03:25] psydruid and new software is being written [03:25] matey yes [03:26] matey i guess i dont think of that as collapse [03:26] matey i think of it as rebuilding [03:26] matey the two do largely go hand in hand of course [03:26] matey i mean if things werent collapsing, there would be less motivation for the positive side of it [03:27] psydruid I think of it as the former world collapsing and a new one being built [03:27] matey its not starting over if learn from previous lessons [03:27] psydruid that doesn't mean we have to go back all the way to the stone age [03:27] matey rebirth [03:28] psydruid going back to renaissance times is fine [03:28] matey no, i guess the reason i was surprised i thought you were saying that (i definitely misread) [03:28] matey is thats a myth that goes beyond [03:28] matey going back to renaissance times is fine <- well, they use the command line as a spectre [03:28] matey then they tell people to learn stuff thats 10x more complicated [03:28] matey its very silly [03:28] matey but the left hand doesnt know what the right is doing anyway [03:29] matey tonight ive been really toying with putting another distro together [03:29] matey a gnu/linux one [03:29] matey i wouldnt use it on more than one machine [03:29] matey and i would only use it on a machine that could run openbsd [03:29] psydruid I think all modern guis are broken, but some are more broken than others [03:29] matey x11 has always been broken [03:30] matey its like an old soviet mosaic with bits falling off [03:30] psydruid KDE was just becoming ridiculous with its login times [03:30] psydruid I don't want to wait for 2 minutes for all my gui applications to autostart [03:30] matey you inspired me to abandon kde completely [03:30] matey i mean i havent used it in years [03:30] matey i removed it from the software directory [03:31] psydruid when it happens within seconds on mate [03:31] matey I don't want to wait for 2 minutes for all my gui applications to autostart <- fuck i rememeber when microsoft office used to [03:31] matey yeah a fork of mate would be better than modern kde [03:31] matey and if trinity moves of github, that option exists [03:31] psydruid I'm not saying mate is perfect or even great [03:31] matey 3.5 was pretty fucking fast even on OLD shit [03:31] matey its like xp now [03:32] matey no mate is bloated as fuck [03:32] psydruid it's just that almost everything else is falling apart [03:32] matey but not like what they have now [03:32] matey imo desktop environments are a failure [03:32] matey find a window manager you like [03:32] matey install some other applications [03:32] matey voila [03:33] matey i dont care about suites that dont care about users [03:33] psydruid I have done that at times with icewm, fluxbox or gnustep [03:34] matey or whi sell out to microsoft [03:34] matey id love a fork of icewm [03:34] matey its a lot friendlier than dwm (which i like more) [03:34] matey as a beginner id MUCH rather use icewm [03:34] MinceR why not just use icewm [03:34] psydruid I am afraid all of them are lost causes in the end [03:34] psydruid because they are built on x11 [03:34] matey icewm is github based and has more github deps too [03:35] matey they are built on x11 <- when theres an alternative built on sanity not hubris and arrogance, ill be happy to try it [03:35] matey wayland is built on arrogance and hubris [03:35] matey im not really in love with x11, its what runs my gui stuff [03:36] matey wayland doesnt even do that [03:36] matey it just fucks with things [03:36] psydruid I trued Wayland a few times but some applications wouldn't run [03:36] psydruid and it felt slow [03:36] matey yeah theyre doing what gnome did [03:37] matey they say theyre simplifying, but it still seems more bloated [03:37] matey i dont trust that, though maybe someone can explain it without shilling. [03:37] psydruid that's why I stick to what still works [03:37] matey facts are ok. its just a lot of them seem to leave the part out that shows what a farce the whole thing is [03:38] matey particularly when they come from corporate fanboys [03:38] matey like the stuff about uefi [03:38] MinceR that sounds fixable by mirroring [03:38] matey you can make a very long "factual" case for uefi [03:38] matey even secure boot [03:38] matey but ultimately it leaves out the reasons id never want it [03:38] matey you can do the same for rust [03:38] matey and mincer can blow that away in 30 seconds [03:39] MinceR rust has so many problems beyond being hosted by MICROS~1 [03:39] matey yeah its not like github is the only problem in town [03:39] matey (theres systemd for example) [03:39] matey no but really, the problems have been increasing in number for years [03:39] psydruid a secure boot facility that is completely under the user's control might be useful [03:39] matey yeah [03:40] matey and would never happen [03:40] matey fsvo never [03:40] psydruid but secure boot on x86 closed source UEFI systems is useless [03:40] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oBIxScJ5rlY [03:40] TR Bot John Mayer - Waiting On the World to Change (Official Video) - Invidious [03:40] MinceR one that's built on a write protect switch instead of (or in addition to) cryptography would likely be even more useful [03:41] matey one that's built on a write protect switch <- yeah i love those [03:41] MinceR or a readonly card slot [03:41] matey but i got pretty disillusioned with them since most from the past 2 decades are just suggestions [03:42] matey what would be better than a switch is a pinout with a separate write pin in the spec [03:42] matey then you dont have to trust the switch [03:42] matey if you put an adapter on that doesnt connect the write pin, its read-only [03:42] matey you still have to trust the design obviously [03:43] psydruid the local secure boot UEFI fanboy has been conspicuously silent for quite some time [03:43] matey but the design and the oem are two different things (somewhat) [03:43] matey for example, open a mac [03:43] matey youll find lots of familiar parts they didnt make [03:43] matey conspicuously silent <- all roys opponents give up eventually [03:43] matey he knows that, and its ultimately true [03:43] matey even if its not for the reasons he thinks it is [03:44] matey anyone who thinks they have nothing better to do than fight roy all the time will find out in a couple of years they have other stuff to do [03:44] matey imo he was never a full-timer in the first place [03:45] matey i think roy even exaggerates how much theyre at odds (though id never accuse them of agreeing on much) [03:45] matey if it sounds like im implying something there, im really not [03:45] matey an exaggeration doesnt always have intrigue behind it-- if anything, i think there is less intrigue than sometimes implied [03:46] matey every hero needs villians though [03:47] matey rather than let anyone off the hook i wish he would look at the source, and put 2+2 together [03:47] matey red hat is red hat, with very few exceptions, if any [03:47] matey gives with one hand and takes with the other [03:48] matey helped build the fsf into what it is today-- that alone is bad enough [03:48] matey if only thats all we could complain about [03:48] psydruid at least Sun fought Microsoft until the very end [03:48] matey in terms of what theyve done to free software, al capone looks pretty small-time [03:48] psydruid Red Hat collaborates with Microsoft [03:48] matey at least Sun fought Microsof <- right [03:49] matey Red Hat collaborates with Microsoft <- over and over and over again [03:49] matey too bad bruce perens suggested a novell boycott [03:49] matey it could have been boycotredhat [03:49] matey or even boycott [03:49] matey that would have been sweet [03:49] matey then it wouldnt need to be techrights [03:49] matey if youre boycotting red hat youve already figured out the rest :) [03:51] psydruid tux rights for cuddly penguins operating tux machines :) [03:51] matey >( )<8 [03:52] matey that looks like a cross between a penguin and an ostrich, to be nice [03:52] matey or maybe a prematurely-born version of big bird [03:54] matey if i make a gnu/linux distro again its only going to be to promote things gnu/linux doesnt give a shit about [03:54] psydruid an aborted tux [03:54] matey like openbsd [03:54] matey an aborted tux <- something like that [03:54] matey i mean was trying to make a penguin [03:54] psydruid tuxosaurus rex [03:54] matey the tux saw us [03:55] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:55] psydruid that's what we have now [03:55] matey "the cranberries" used to have a longer name [03:55] psydruid cute tux became a tuxosaurus [03:57] psydruid and tuxosaurus keeps getting bigger and bigger [03:57] psydruid I bet it doesn't like cranberries [03:57] matey it has those stupid little arms [03:58] matey i love the shirt someone had [03:58] matey it had a rex with one of those grabber arms [03:58] matey and said "NOW IM UNSTOPPABLE!" [03:58] matey very silly [03:58] matey also untrue [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 348.18 [03:59] matey i dont think it would have saved the rex ● Jun 10 [04:00] matey so it wouldnt stop there of course [04:00] matey but an opengsd (gnu system distribution) distro [04:01] matey would have, of course, propaganda about openbsd [04:01] matey "why dont you just give people openbsd" [04:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techrights [04:01] matey "because some people dont think theyre ready" [04:01] matey "i used to be one of them" [04:01] matey "also mincer can use it on his expertbook (though i doubt he would)" [04:02] matey i mean he can use anything on there [04:02] psydruid I first installed Solaris in 2002, FreeBSD in 2004, OpenBSD in 2007 and NetBSD in 2008 [04:02] matey if it was just gnu/linux + WORDS that would be next to pointless [04:02] matey OpenBSD in 2007 <- fuck [04:02] matey same year i switched fully to gnu/linux [04:03] matey if it was just gnu/linux + WORDS that would be next to pointless <- it would have to make some other efforts too [04:03] psydruid the BSDs became better and GNU/Linux has become what we have now [04:03] matey indeed [04:03] psydruid I am not even willing to have another look at Slackware [04:03] matey i asked about your beef with them [04:04] psydruid I think it has gone down the drain with the rest of GNU/Linux [04:04] matey i was left with the impression that theyre not what they used to be, but ive heard that before [04:04] psydruid It's not just that, it's not a real community project [04:04] matey an openbsd installer is LIGHT [04:05] psydruid I prefer real community projects [04:05] matey opengsd would have to be light too [04:05] matey it's not a real community project <- is it corporate though? [04:05] psydruid In a way it is [04:05] matey and not only light, but sans a bunch of fancy shit [04:06] psydruid It's Pat's main source of income [04:06] matey oof [04:06] matey if its from merch, okay [04:06] psydruid I don't mind people earning money doing what they like [04:06] matey but i think that only works for webcomic artists [04:06] matey me neither [04:06] matey loads of pitfalls of course [04:06] psydruid But that means his priorities will always come first [04:07] matey dyne has fallen apart imo [04:07] matey which is funny, id consider using refracta as the base [04:07] psydruid So I would rather contribute to OpenBSD, an actual multi-architecture community project [04:07] matey id rather use debian (haha, shit you not) but sysv is GONE man [04:08] matey an actual multi-architecture community project <- that would be kickass [04:10] matey whats THIS https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/finit-sysv [04:10] TR Bot Debian -- Details of package finit-sysv in bookworm [04:11] matey https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/orphan-sysvinit-scripts Orphaned System-V-like init scripts [04:11] TR Bot timed out after 10517 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/orphan-sysvinit-scripts ) [04:11] matey im about as disappointed in devuan as i am in pale moon [04:12] matey so if i were going to remix a gnu/linux distro, i would consider debian over devuan PROVIDED I CAN MAKE SYSTEMD NOT PID 1 [04:13] matey devuan is never going to be independent of debian [04:13] matey its not going to be more than a respin [04:13] matey there are better ways even to be systemd-free than either debian or devuan [04:14] matey but i dont bother because they do their distro on github [04:14] matey which i bet is where devuan will go [04:14] matey as dyne is-- ridiculous [04:14] matey dyne is falling apart faster than the fsf [04:14] matey it came second, not first-- only faster [04:15] matey only org that formally defended rms, so lots of hope for it there [04:15] matey only one [04:16] matey refracta would be less trouble to remix though [04:16] psydruid I have only a few reasons for using debian [04:16] matey and i would fork the installer to remove-- theres too many questions now [04:16] matey make a simpler installer and keep refracta-installer [04:16] psydruid I don't want to use any other gnu/linux [04:17] matey I don't want to use any other gnu/linux <- this is a distro that would recommend you stop using it and use bsd :) [04:17] matey youd just be a step ahead of that [04:18] psydruid because gnu/linux is the past and I don't want to waste my energy on finding alternatives in the gnu/linux space [04:18] matey indeed [04:18] matey i mean this would have to be for fun [04:18] matey and it would have to be easy [04:18] matey and i did a lot of work to make this easy enough for myself :) [04:18] matey (and anyone else who wanted to do similar) [04:18] psydruid I could and do run BSD on almost all of my older hardware, either OpenBSD or FreeBSD [04:19] matey I could and do run BSD on almost all of my older hardware, either OpenBSD or FreeBSD <- well, it could quote you :) [04:19] psydruid I'll keep just a few (nonexclusive) Debian laptops around [04:20] matey who knows, maybe youll like opengsd better [04:20] matey maybe not, but youre not the target audience so [04:20] matey no worries at all [04:20] psydruid probably also dualbooting with BSD [04:20] matey let me know how that goes [04:20] matey ive watched some videos on that [04:20] psydruid I already did [04:20] matey cool [04:20] psydruid But had to reclaim disk space [04:21] matey mmhmm [04:21] psydruid So after a storage upgrade I will do it again [04:22] psydruid I need to keep Vista 10 and 11 VMs around for some purposes [04:22] psydruid That was the main issue [04:22] matey yuck [04:22] psydruid And they tend to be huge [04:22] matey yeah [04:23] psydruid if my code doesn't compile and run on Vista for some class(es) I am SOL [04:23] matey students have it rough, i could tell you more stories [04:23] matey but it would hardly be needed to make the obvious clear [04:23] psydruid even if I do all the coding on another operating system [04:24] matey you have to test it on something [04:24] psydruid Exactly [04:24] matey the last time i did that, i tried fig out on windows 10 [04:25] matey in a store even [04:25] matey heh [04:25] matey i mean they knew [04:25] matey otherwise i dont know what they could do at that point [04:25] matey when youre a kid you dont care [04:26] matey after that you have to think these things through [04:26] psydruid I rarely go to electronic stores anymore [04:27] matey i gotta buy stuff somewhere [04:27] matey stores are annoying, to put it mildly [04:27] matey id go to newegg, if i could walk into the warehouse and pick it up before the purchase [04:27] psydruid but sometimes I go if I really need something [04:28] psydruid I don't order much online either but sometimes that's the only way [04:28] matey indeed [04:29] matey and a lot of times the store orders it online [04:29] matey but if they already have it in stock, thats good enough for me [04:29] psydruid I wouldn't be able to buy my ARM SBCs in a local store [04:29] matey thats one of the biggest problems [04:29] psydruid as I don't want a Raspberry Spy [04:29] matey indeed [04:30] psydruid Even now there are still some problems with drivers, whereas my Orange Pi has pretty much full support even for playing games [04:31] matey right? [04:31] psydruid yes [04:31] matey so lets say, this would be fucking weird [04:31] psydruid it came from further behind but now it's better [04:31] matey but lets say you had to remaster either debian, or devuan, to make a gnu/linux distro for your class [04:31] matey devuan would be less hassle to do this with [04:32] matey but theyre not VERY different [04:32] matey which one do you find the prospect of LESS offensive for? [04:33] psydruid what I did was to install debian in QEMU, take out the root filesystem and put it on real hardware [04:33] matey (ive done both) [04:33] matey mmhmm [04:33] psydruid I don't know if everything works on Devuan [04:33] psydruid And I've never tried it [04:34] matey and i dont care if it does [04:34] psydruid But it still feels like a duct tape solution [04:34] matey yeah [04:34] matey they got some really fancy tape [04:34] psydruid I'd rather use BSD instead of Debian [04:34] matey but its an odd job [04:34] matey of course [04:35] psydruid Which I tried too, but none of them would work [04:35] matey id rather use a gun to my head than debian [04:35] matey but for this its not very important, the only purpose is to demonstrate some things about bsd via gnu/linux [04:36] psydruid My main issue with NetBSD is that it doesn't work on any of my x86 hardware [04:36] matey for debian id have to fix pid1 in a chroot [04:36] matey for devuan i dont [04:36] matey My main issue with NetBSD is that it doesn't work on any of my x86 hardware <- weird isnt it? [04:37] psydruid so I can't even use an x86 install to investigate getting the ARM version working on my SBC [04:37] psydruid yes [04:37] matey ive installed it on x86 but i had more luck using openbsd for that [04:37] psydruid it's very picky [04:37] matey the netbsd installer is a nightmare [04:38] matey the openbsd one is nicest [04:38] matey originally, worse than everything is the startup of fuguita [04:38] psydruid OpenBSD also works on everything [04:38] matey which is a live openbsd! [04:39] matey OpenBSD also works on everything <- but not so much arm and other socs [04:39] psydruid Except for MinceR's laptop [04:39] psydruid yes [04:39] psydruid that's the one exception for now [04:41] *matey has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:44] *matey (~matey@7hpuxwr5tewrw.irc) has joined #techrights [04:44] matey /version is great [04:45] matey i thought the muscle memory of whois pong would be easier [04:45] matey but 7 letters is pretty fucking easy wherever you put them [04:45] matey as long as theyre on the keyboard [04:45] psydruid /version [04:45] psydruid lol [04:45] matey i suppose its 8 with the / [04:46] *psydruid version [04:48] matey /me considers making more tea [04:48] psydruid irc.techrights.org: ergo-2.7.0-unreleased-202d9828668b1c76 irc.techrights.org [04:48] *psydruid should finally go to sleep [04:49] matey do people still do that? [04:49] matey /me wonders if theyll ever find a cure [04:49] matey im sure it wouldnt be pretty [04:50] matey a cure for sleep [04:50] matey or rather for needing sleep [04:50] psydruid not if they are employees 100% of the time [04:50] matey that would not be better [04:50] psydruid because work must go on [04:50] matey employees need time off whether theyre awake or not [04:51] matey one of the best benefits of socialism (but only when it keeps its promises) is a shorter work week [04:51] psydruid they must work in their sleep too [04:51] matey they must work in their sleep too <- yes! this is why the bed wheel was invented [04:51] psydruid dream of ways to suck up to their employers [04:51] matey you roll around on it in your sleep and it drives the machines of industry [04:52] matey anyway have a good night [04:52] matey (dont work too hard) [04:52] psydruid good night [04:52] psydruid definitely not [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 354.06 ● Jun 10 [05:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [05:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [05:19] matey so devuan has moved from gitlab to gitea [05:19] matey while dyne has moved to github [05:19] matey try waiting for any of it to make sense [05:20] matey gitea is way better than gitlab of course [05:20] matey and github is not at all [05:23] matey refracta tools are still based on sourceforge [05:23] matey thats better than github at least (not much, a little) [05:23] matey they havent moved [05:29] matey /me used to remater refracta from 700, 800 down to cd-size [05:29] matey even without x11 its 0.5 gb [05:29] matey with xfce its 1.2 gb [05:39] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-investigates/closing-of-waukegan-coal-plant-causes-controversy-among-residents/ [05:40] TR Bot timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-investigates/closing-of-waukegan-coal-plant-causes-controversy-among-residents/ ) [05:40] DaemonFC The coal plant finally quit spewing pollution all over us the other day. 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-09.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-10.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.05 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 340.21 ● Jun 10 [07:03] *Skywave has quit (Quit) [07:03] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:05] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@tjyeecr8dbswi.irc) has joined #techrights [07:21] *matey has quit (connection closed) [07:45] TR News Monitor CPU Thermal Temperature in Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165835 [07:45] TR Bot Monitor CPU Thermal Temperature in Linux | Tux Machines [07:45] TR News Manage Flatpak Permission Using Flatseal [Tutorial] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165836 [07:45] TR Bot Manage Flatpak Permission Using Flatseal [Tutorial] | Tux Machines [07:46] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, June 09, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [07:46] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [07:46] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [07:46] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [07:54] *kiki_ (~KiKi@i4i4k5b832g88.irc) has joined #techrights [07:55] TR News "Indeed it is a cautionary tale about locking Linux and FreeBSD user accounts." https://www.cyberciti.biz/networking/a-cautionary-tale-about-locking-linux-freebsd-user-accounts/ | Source: nixCraft [07:55] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.cyberciti.biz/networking/a-cautionary-tale-about-locking-linux-freebsd-user-accounts/ ) [07:56] TR News "Today, Bourne-style (sh) syntax has come to the fore. It is the one syntax covered by the POSIX standard." https://klarasystems.com/articles/interacting-with-freebsd-learning-the-fundamentals-of-the-freebsd-shell-2/ | Source: Klara [07:56] TR Bot Interacting with FreeBSD Learning the Fundamentals of the FreeBSD Shell | Klara Inc. [07:57] TR News [Old] "I love the GPL and see it as a defining factor in the success of Linux" https://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/linus-torvalds-gives-gpl-credit-for-linux-s-success/ | [07:57] TR Bot LinuxCon: Linus Torvalds Says GPL Key to Linux Success [07:57] TR News [Old] "The GNU General Public License was born of the simple idea that freedom matters." https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2017/200/The-GPL-and-the-birth-of-a-revolution | Source: Linux Magazine [07:57] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2017/200/The-GPL-and-the-birth-of-a-revolution ) [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 280.65 [07:59] TR News "Which would be great except that the forecasts have less data to work with now than theyve had in years" https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partly-cloudy-with-a-75-percent-chance-of-covid-exposure/ | Source: ABC ● Jun 10 [08:00] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partly-cloudy-with-a-75-percent-chance-of-covid-exposure/ ) [08:00] TR News "According to geekwire.com, the tech giant is splitting its HoloLens mixed reality group and parting ways with Kipman." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/microsoft-hololens-chief-to-resign-after-misconduct-allegations/92100928 | Source: India Times [08:00] TR Bot Microsoft HoloLens chief to resign after misconduct allegations, CIO News, ET CIO [08:01] TR News They probably belittle what he ACTUALLY did. Probably some serious crime. https://nypost.com/2022/06/08/microsofts-alex-kipman-resigns-after-being-accused-of-watching-vr-porn-in-office-report/ [08:01] TR Bot Microsoft's Alex Kipman resigns after being accused of watching 'VR porn' in office: report [08:01] TR News "The hateful messages focused on Ethiopia, where internal documents obtained by whistleblower Frances Haugen showed that Facebook's ineffective moderation is literally fanning ethnic violence, as she said in her 2021 congressional testimony." https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/facebook-fails-detect-hate-speech-ads-85282119 | Source: ABC [08:01] TR Bot Facebook fails again to detect hate speech in ads - ABC News [08:02] TR News "If a cryptosystem's algorithm is part of its 'secret key', all three of these things are violated." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/PublicCryptoAlgorithmsMathWhy | Source: uni Toronto [08:02] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/PublicCryptoAlgorithmsMathWhy [08:03] TR News "More than 80 people are feared to have died in Sunday's attack on a church in southwestern Nigeria" https://abcnews.go.com/International/80-feared-dead-attack-catholic-church-nigeria-sources/story?id=85262564 | Source: ABC [08:03] TR Bot Over 80 feared dead in attack on Catholic church in Nigeria, sources say - ABC News [08:05] TR News So China does what the NSA too has been doing. "Peoples Republic of China State-Sponsored Cyber Actors Exploit Network Providers and Devices." https://www.nsa.gov/Press-Room/News-Highlights/Article/Article/3055748/nsa-cisa-and-fbi-expose-prc-state-sponsored-exploitation-of-network-providers-d/ | Source: NSA [08:05] TR Bot NSA, CISA, and FBI Expose PRC State-Sponsored Exploitation of Network Providers, Devices > National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Article [08:05] TR News "This joint Cybersecurity Advisory describes the ways in which Peoples Republic of China (PRC) state-sponsored cyber actors continue to exploit publicly known vulnerabilities in order to establish a broad network of compromised infrastructure" https://media.defense.gov/2022/Jun/07/2003013376/-1/-1/0/CSA_PRC_SPONSORED_CYBER_ACTORS_EXPLOIT_NETWORK_PROVIDERS_DEVICES_TLPWHITE.PDF | Source: USDOD [08:07] TR News Twitter Germany https://medforth.biz/twitter-germany-blocks-tweet-of-austrian-government-politician-regarding-asylum-seekers/ | Source: Medforth [08:07] TR Bot Twitter Germany blocks tweet of Austrian government politician regarding asylum seekers Allah's Willing Executioners [08:07] TR News "What this almost certainly is: another shakedown attempt. McDonalds is a big corporation with lots of money." https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/06/hate-crime-or-shakedown-money-robert-spencer/ | Source: Frontpage Magazine [08:07] TR Bot Crime or Shakedown for Money? | FrontpageMag [08:08] TR News "The general public doesnt seem particularly pleased about this ethical gray zone" https://www.teenvogue.com/story/congress-stock-trading-ban | Source: Teen Vogue [08:08] TR Bot Congress Stock Trading Leads to Major Conflicts of Interest | Teen Vogue [08:08] TR News "Below the slogan was Taiwan's national flag followed by its national emblem." https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4561098 | Source: Taiwan News [08:08] TR Bot Anonymous hacks Chinese educational site to mark Tiananmen massacre | Taiwan News | 2022-06-06 11:18:00 [08:08] TR News "Media Matters' Matt Gertz reported that Carlson did not go to commercial break once during the hearing he did not show" https://www.salon.com/2022/06/09/fox-news-refuses-to-air-jan-6-violence-while-trashing-hearing-as-boring-and-propaganda/ | Source: Salon [08:08] TR Bot News refuses to air Jan. 6 violence while trashing hearing as boring and propaganda | Salon.com [08:09] TR News "There is no evidence that [Internet] shutdowns have reduced cheating in exams." https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/06/09/syria-like-much-of-the-arab-world-inflicts-country-wide-internet-blackouts-during-exams | Source: The Economist [08:09] TR Bot like much of the Arab world, inflicts country-wide internet blackouts during exams | The Economist [08:19] TR News DRM and losses -- that's what Spotify is. "Spotify wants to make audiobooks the next pillar of its business." https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/9/23161536/spotify-audiobooks-amazon-audible-podcasts | Source: The Verge [08:19] TR Bot Spotify comes for audiobooks - The Verge [08:20] TR News Microsoft is obsolete. Also wrongly assuming people will buy new hardware. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-could-finally-kill-hdd-boot-drives/ | Source: Digital Trends [08:20] TR Bot Microsoft could finally kill HDD boot drives for good | Digital Trends [08:20] TR News "Atkinson sued last year claiming that the source material, published in 2008" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/netflix-settles-copyright-lawsuit-over-fish-headed-villain-in-the-umbrella-academy-1235162192/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter [08:20] TR Bot Netflix Settles Lawsuit Over Fish-Headed Umbrella Academy Villain The Hollywood Reporter [08:40] TR News IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 09, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/irc-log-090622/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/irc-log-090622/ [08:40] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 09, 2022 | Techrights [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 10 [09:07] TR News Linus Torvalds Still Loves the GNU General Public License | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/linus-torvalds-still-loves-gpl/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/linus-torvalds-still-loves-gpl/ [09:07] TR Bot Linus Torvalds Still Loves the GNU General Public License | Techrights [09:14] TR News ShaRPiKeebo handheld Linux computer based on Raspberry Pi Zero (2) W ships with a LoRa radio Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165837 [09:14] TR Bot ShaRPiKeebo handheld Linux computer based on Raspberry Pi Zero (2) W ships with a LoRa radio | Tux Machines [09:28] TR News One fact that the media did not pay attention to at the time of the talk was, Torvalds (unlike his Microsoft- and VMware-infiltrated employer) strongly supports the GPL http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/linus-torvalds-still-loves-gpl/ [09:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-09.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-10.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [09:30] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D257.jpg [09:31] TR News Re: Subscripts And Superscripts In Gemtext gemini://dj-chase.com/documents/re-sub-sup-gemtext.gmi [09:32] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D611.jpg [09:36] TR News They probably belittle what he ACTUALLY did. Probably some serious crime. https://nypost.com/2022/06/08/microsofts-alex-kipman-resigns-after-being-accused-of-watching-vr-porn-in-office-report/ [09:36] TR Bot Microsoft's Alex Kipman resigns after being accused of watching 'VR porn' in office: report [09:45] TR News Links 10/06/2022: systemd-oomd Killing Software Badly | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/systemd-oomd-rants/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/systemd-oomd-rants/ [09:45] TR Bot Links 10/06/2022: systemd-oomd Killing Software Badly | Techrights [09:46] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165838 [09:46] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [09:46] TR News Microsoft Misdeeds Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165839 [09:46] TR Bot Microsoft Misdeeds | Tux Machines [09:46] TR News GNU and Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165840 [09:46] TR Bot GNU and Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:49] TR News Journal of fliptop (1666): "Dear Google: Almost a year ago, in your infinite wisdom, you stopped accepting SpamCop reports." https://soylentnews.org/~fliptop/journal/11303 Source: soylentnews [09:49] TR Bot Journal of fliptop (1666) [09:50] TR News old: Debian and Torvalds https://www.hpcwire.com/2000/08/11/idg-linus-torvalds-award-to-be-presented-to-debian/ [09:50] TR Bot IDG/Linus Torvalds Award To Be Presented To Debian [09:51] TR News This Bot Posted 3500 R Packages To The AUR!! https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/this-bot-posted-3500-r-packages-to-the:8 Source: BrodieRobertson [09:51] TR Bot This Bot Posted 3500 R Packages To The AUR!! [09:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [09:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [09:51] TR News "Normally when we talk about our high-security boot firmware PureBoot, its in the context of the advanced tamper detection it adds to a system." https://puri.sm/posts/pureboots-powerful-recovery-console/ | Source: Purism [09:51] TR Bot PureBoot's Powerful Recovery Console Purism [09:52] TR News "While LXD is mostly known for providing system containers, since the 4.0 LTS, it also natively supports virtual machines." https://ubuntu.com//blog/lxd-virtual-machines-an-overview | Source: Ubuntu [09:52] TR Bot virtual machines: an overview | Ubuntu [09:52] TR News "The standard model of the MYD-CZU3EG-ISP packs the Zynq UltraScale+ ZU3EG MPSoC which provides a quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 (up to 1.2GHz)" https://linuxgizmos.com/myir-offers-vision-edge-computing-based-on-zynq-ultrascale-mpsoc/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [09:52] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/myir-offers-vision-edge-computing-based-on-zynq-ultrascale-mpsoc/ ) [09:52] TR News "Simply NUC launched the Topaz 2 mini PC which can accommodate the Alder Lake processors from Intel." https://linuxgizmos.com/topaz-2-mini-pc-from-simply-nuc-comes-with-intel-12th-gen-processors-quad-displays-and-dual-ethernet-ports/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [09:52] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/topaz-2-mini-pc-from-simply-nuc-comes-with-intel-12th-gen-processors-quad-displays-and-dual-ethernet-ports/ ) [09:53] TR News "Fedora and RHEL provide system-wide configurations that apply to all cryptographic libraries in the crypto-policies package since RHEL 8" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/legacy-cryptography-fedora-36-and-red-hat-enterprise-linux-9 | Source: Red Hat Official [09:53] TR Bot Legacy cryptography in Fedora 36 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9 [09:53] TR News "Vim is one of the most popular terminal-based text editors for decades." https://linuxhandbook.com/vim-indentation-tab-spaces/ | Source: Linux Handbook [09:53] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://linuxhandbook.com/vim-indentation-tab-spaces/ ) [09:57] TR News "Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Definitive Edition from Larian Studios recently became Steam Deck Verified." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/one-of-the-highest-rated-games-on-steam-divinity-original-sin-2-is-steam-deck-verified/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [09:57] TR Bot of the highest rated games on Steam, Divinity: Original Sin 2 is Steam Deck Verified | GamingOnLinux [09:57] TR News "Back in April the Zombie shooter Back 4 Blood added experimental support for the Steam Deck" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/back-4-blood-gets-a-small-update-for-the-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [09:57] TR Bot 4 Blood gets a small update for the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux [09:59] TR News "Are you wanting to get some hardware from Linux vendor System76 but they don't currently ship to you, or it's expensive to do so?" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165765#comment-33933 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/linux-hardware-vendor-system76-is-coming-to-europe/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [09:59] TR Bot System76 to Open Distribution Hub in Europe | Tux Machines [09:59] TR Bot hardware vendor System76 is coming to Europe | GamingOnLinux ● Jun 10 [10:00] TR News "Arietta of Spirits, a story-driven action-adventure game with easy to approach game mechanics, has a new update out that makes it run better on the Steam Deck." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/arietta-of-spirits-gets-fixed-up-for-30fps-mode-on-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [10:00] TR Bot of Spirits gets fixed up for 30FPS mode on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux [10:00] TR News "The Battle Report Update is out now for Dota 2, with the majority of it being for Dota Plus but there's also some of the usual balancing changes" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/dota-2-gets-a-nice-performance-improvement-with-the-vulkan-renderer/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [10:00] TR Bot 2 gets a nice performance improvement with the Vulkan renderer | GamingOnLinux [10:00] TR News "Ready for your next set of new games? Humble Bundle have some good choices in their Capcom Summer Bundle and Humble Choice." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/humble-has-some-great-goodies-in-the-capcom-summer-bundle-and-humble-choice/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [10:01] TR News "It's now confirmed that Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge will be launching on June 16, using FNA and it will have a Native Linux version" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-shredders-revenge-releases-june-16/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [10:01] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/humble-has-some-great-goodies-in-the-capcom-summer-bundle-and-humble-choice/ ) [10:01] TR Bot timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-shredders-revenge-releases-june-16/ ) [10:03] TR News Overpopulation begets the needs for more aggressive social control, both online and offline [10:05] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:06] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techrights [10:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [10:13] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [10:30] TR News Yes, patents kill https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/09/30000-people-have-died-each-day-wto-dragged-its-feet-vaccine-patents-oxfam | Source: Common Dreams [10:30] TR Bot 30,000 People Have Died Each Day WTO Dragged Its Feet on Vaccine Patents: Oxfam [10:32] TR News "Antitrust and telecom experts warned anybody whod listen that the Sprint and T-Mobile merger (which reduced the number of major U.S. wireless players..." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/09/right-on-cue-u-s-wireless-prices-creep-skyward-after-mergers/ | Source: Techdirt [10:32] TR Bot On Cue, U.S. Wireless Prices Creep Skyward After Mergers | Techdirt [10:33] TR News Twitter insurrection https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/09/twitter-fights-back-against-january-6th-committees-dangerously-intrusive-subpoena-demands/ | Source: Techdirt http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/ [10:33] TR Bot Fights Back Against January 6th Committees Dangerously Intrusive Subpoena Demands | Techdirt [10:33] TR Bot Twitter Profits From Conflict | Techrights [10:33] TR News "Could Paramount Pictures have actually lost the copyright to Top Gun, even as it was releasing a new Top Gun movie?" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/09/i-feel-the-need-the-need-to-file-frivolous-copyright-lawsuits-to-cash-in-on-top-gun/ | Source: Techdirt [10:33] TR Bot Feel The Need The Need To File Frivolous Copyright Lawsuits To Cash In On Top Gun | Techdirt [10:34] *CrystalMath (~coderain@h58ss2kqfhb5c.irc) has joined #techrights [10:34] TR News The copyright trolls https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/09/us-copyright-small-claims-court-opens-its-doors-next-week-two-questions-remain-will-anyone-use-it-and-is-it-constitutional/ | Source: Techdirt [10:34] TR Bot Copyright Small Claims Court Opens Its Doors Next Week. Two Questions Remain: Will Anyone Use It And Is It Constitutional? | Techdirt [10:35] TR News "Welcome to the June edition of the monthly Fortran newsletter." https://fortran-lang.org/newsletter/2022/06/09/Fortran-Newsletter-June-2022/ | Source: Fortran Lang [10:35] TR Bot Fortran newsletter: June 2022 - Fortran Programming Language [10:35] TR News "trademark disputes regularly annoy me for a variety of reasons which I cover on this site" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/09/california-bakery-bullying-suing-others-over-descriptive-mochi-muffin-trademark-it-somehow-got/ | Source: Techdirt [10:35] TR Bot Bakery Bullying/Suing Others Over Descriptive Mochi Muffin Trademark It Somehow Got | Techdirt [10:36] TR News Big Pharma corruption https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/06/09/dear-member-congress-lower-drug-prices-now-or-lose-your-job | Source: Common Dreams [10:36] TR Bot Opinion | Dear Member of Congress: Lower Drug Prices Now or Lose Your Job | Laura Packard [10:41] TR News PATENTS: "Prescription drug spending in the U.S. exceeded half a trillion dollars in 2020." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/09/unbelievable-half-new-drugs-launched-2020-2021-cost-150000-or-more-year | Source: Common Dreams [10:41] TR Bot 'Unbelievable': Half of New Drugs Launched in 2020-2021 Cost $150,000 or More Per Year [10:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [10:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 10 [11:00] TR News COVID-19 in England: Testing Down to New Lows, But Cases and Hospitalisations Increase, Even in Summertime (Worst COVID Summer So Far) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/10/covid-19-in-england-summertime/ [11:00] TR Bot Blog Archive COVID-19 in England: Testing Down to New Lows, But Cases and Hospitalisations Increase, Even in Summertime (Worst COVID Summer So Far) [11:04] TR News Games: Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Definitive Edition, Back 4 Blood, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165841 [11:04] TR Bot Games: Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Definitive Edition, Back 4 Blood, and More | Tux Machines [11:06] TR News Hungary and ECHR https://insighthungary.444.hu/2022/06/09/echr-hungarys-treatment-of-asylum-seeker-was-inhuman | Source: Insight Hungary [11:07] TR Bot ECHR: Hungary's treatment of asylum seeker was 'inhuman' - InsightHungary [11:07] TR News "Successful lawsuits filed by several Israel-based media companies against three pirate streaming sites are proving tricky to wrap up." https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-streaming-lawsuit-plaintiffs-want-cloudflare-held-in-contempt-of-court-220609/ | Source: Torrent Freak [11:07] TR News "New research published by the EU Intellectual Property Office shows that piracy remains prevalent among EU youth." https://torrentfreak.com/eu-piracy-rates-are-the-highest-among-well-educated-youth-220609/ | Source: Torrent Freak [11:07] TR Bot Streaming Lawsuit Plaintiffs Want Cloudflare Held in Contempt of Court * TorrentFreak [11:07] TR Bot Piracy Rates are the Highest Among Well Educated Youth * TorrentFreak [11:12] TR News On inflation https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/09/there-are-better-ways-for-societies-to-address-inflation-than-by-hiking-interest-rates/ | Source: Counter Punch [11:12] TR Bot Are Better Ways for Societies to Address Inflation Than by Hiking Interest Rates - CounterPunch.org [11:13] TR News Plunder https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/09/do-we-have-to-give-the-rich-all-of-our-money-enforcing-the-estate-tax/ | Source: Counter Punch [11:13] TR Bot We Have to Give the Rich All of Our Money? Enforcing the Estate Tax - CounterPunch.org [11:14] TR News Regulatory Capture https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/09/corruption-and-regulatory-capture/ | Source: Counter Punch [11:14] TR Bot and Regulatory Capture - CounterPunch.org [11:15] TR News ICE https://truthout.org/articles/trump-ice-officials-thought-immigrant-kids-were-reunited-with-parents-too-soon/ | Microsoft PROFITS from it http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ [11:15] TR Bot Trump ICE Officials Thought Immigrant Kids Were Reunited With Parents Too Soon [11:15] TR Bot Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights [11:28] TR News "Whether phishing attempts or stolen passwords, attackers use many different tricks to access your emails and steal your important data." https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/protect-your-email/ | Source: PIA [11:28] TR Bot How to Protect Your Email Stay Safe from Spam, Malware and Online Attacks [11:32] TR News Revolving Doors Arent Just Annoying https://hackaday.com/2022/06/09/revolving-doors-arent-just-annoying-theyre-energy-saving-too/ | Source: Hackaday [11:32] TR Bot Doors Arent Just Annoying, Theyre Energy Saving Too | Hackaday [11:34] TR News The Compu-tor Is A Raspberry Pi Laptop In A Mahogany Case Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165842 [11:34] TR Bot The Compu-tor Is A Raspberry Pi Laptop In A Mahogany Case | Tux Machines [11:36] TR News "Buying broken gear for cheap is time honored hacker tradition, and while we might not always be successful in reviving it, rarely do we come away empty handed." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/09/swapped-rom-revives-ailing-hp-48s-calculator/ | Source: Hackaday [11:36] TR Bot ROM Revives Ailing HP-48S Calculator | Hackaday [11:37] TR News "Heres my solution to the formula shortage" https://www.thenation.com/article/society/baby-formula-crisis/ | Source: The Nation [11:37] TR Bot If Men Could Breastfeed | The Nation [11:38] TR News Mouse Charging Mod https://hackaday.com/2022/06/09/mouse-charging-mod-shows-even-simple-hacks-can-end-up-complex/ | Source: Hackaday [11:38] TR Bot Charging Mod Shows Even Simple Hacks Can End Up Complex | Hackaday [11:45] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) [11:45] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@pzeavskfbwhvk.irc) has joined #techrights [11:53] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:54] TR News Links 10/06/2022: Games and Fortran Newsletter | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/fortran-newsletter/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/fortran-newsletter/ [11:54] TR Bot Links 10/06/2022: Games and Fortran Newsletter | Techrights [11:58] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@a9k4we53x83yu.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jun 10 [12:01] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165843 [12:02] TR Bot Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [12:04] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:15] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [12:15] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:21] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [12:21] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 10 [13:07] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:08] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@kmujm4s8xqrtu.irc) has joined #techrights [13:31] MinceR 10 044220 < matey> what would be better than a switch is a pinout with a separate write pin in the spec [13:32] MinceR well, if you don't trust switches, you could use a jumper :> [13:36] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Screen-Shot-2022-05-31-at-7.36.12-AM.png [13:45] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:49] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@c3k8n74ru7gg4.irc) has joined #techrights [13:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [13:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jun 10 [14:08] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:12] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@vrjpn3w7kihz4.irc) has joined #techrights [14:14] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [14:14] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [14:16] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/sometimes-tumblr-comments-are-the-best-part-of-the-photo-20-photos-10.jpg [14:25] psydruid https://web.archive.org/web/20220528123058/https://people.csail.mit.edu/weontaek/pubs/PACMAN_ISCA22.pdf [14:25] psydruid https://www.macworld.com/article/708912/mit-pacman-m1.html [14:25] TR Bot warn of 'PACMAN' flaw in M1 chip that can't be patched | Macworld [14:46] psydruid https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/336945-intel-freezes-all-pc-hiring-for-at-least-two-weeks [14:46] TR Bot Freezes All PC Hiring For at Least Two Weeks - ExtremeTech [14:47] psydruid maybe it would be better to stop hiring indefinitely [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 10 [15:00] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [15:01] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-09.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-10.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [15:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [15:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [15:53] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/sometimes-tumblr-comments-are-the-best-part-of-the-photo-20-photos-13.jpg [15:53] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [15:58] *data_peep (~05ff6186@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [15:58] schestowitz_TR2 hi data_peep ● Jun 10 [16:00] data_peep hi peeps [16:00] schestowitz_TR2 we have your data [16:01] data_peep well fuck you [16:01] schestowitz_TR2 joking [16:01] schestowitz_TR2 maybe not well received [16:01] data_peep orl [16:01] schestowitz_TR2 yeah [16:02] schestowitz_TR2 anyway, welcome [16:05] data_peep data wants to be free [16:05] schestowitz_TR2 information [16:05] schestowitz_TR2 data sometimes need sheltering [16:07] data_peep free from pimps [16:08] schestowitz_TR2 people want to be free [16:08] schestowitz_TR2 pimps are just one class of oppressors [16:09] schestowitz_TR2 some people are sold by govs. and bosses at work [16:09] schestowitz_TR2 data pimps, too [16:09] TR News Monopolies Are Neither Green Nor Sustainable | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/ip5-not-green-or-sustainable/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/ip5-not-green-or-sustainable/ [16:09] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/ip5-not-green-or-sustainable/ ) [16:10] schestowitz_TR2 state-authorised pimps [16:10] schestowitz_TR2 and literal pimps who sell access to state actors [16:10] schestowitz_TR2 now they tell us the term "slave" cannot be used [16:10] schestowitz_TR2 though it perfectly well described many work relationship in present days [16:10] schestowitz_TR2 not just in "third-world countries" [16:12] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/10/the-viceroy "How Sergiey Kiriyenko became Putins point man in the Donbas and plans to shape Russias post-war image" [16:12] TR Bot NO TITLE [16:12] TR News "watching the recording of my stream and I am blessed to not actually be annoyed by my voice" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi [16:12] XRevan86 https://theins.press/en/news/252080 [16:12] TR Bot Prosecutor orders Russian anti-war musicians radio show off air [16:12] XRevan86 https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/10/a77961 [16:12] TR Bot Ukraine Dependent on Arms From Allies After Exhausting Soviet-Era Weaponry - The Moscow Times [16:13] schestowitz_TR2 peace is a crime [16:13] schestowitz_TR2 war is just [16:13] schestowitz_TR2 welcome to russia [16:13] schestowitz_TR2 snowden has not caught any limelight lately [16:13] schestowitz_TR2 not a good political climate to receive any attention [16:19] XRevan86 schestowitz: He hasn't written anything on this at all. That's understandable, I guess. [16:23] schestowitz_TR2 they need to check his beain then [16:23] schestowitz_TR2 or take surprise stool samples [16:24] schestowitz_TR2 and then figure out what they say about his political stance [16:24] schestowitz_TR2 Vladimir Poopin keeps it close to his chest [16:25] schestowitz_TR2 Cargo 300: a tonnage of Putin's '"number 2" [16:27] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagman [16:28] XRevan86 Instead of the heavily wounded. [16:28] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagman ) [16:28] schestowitz_TR2 XFaCE: they are of the same value [16:28] schestowitz_TR2 to poopin, they're just shit [16:28] schestowitz_TR2 thhere are 150 million of them annyway [16:28] schestowitz_TR2 if he counts women too [16:32] TR News [Meme] Working for Monopolisers | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/epo-monopolisers/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/epo-monopolisers/ [16:32] TR Bot [Meme] Working for Monopolisers | Techrights [16:38] TR News Another week of excess mortality in England quietly added. Week 17 added... we're in week 21 already. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1081454/Weekly_report_mortality__W23.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1080639/Weekly_report_mortality__W22.pdf [16:50] *data_peep has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:56] *techrights_guest|68 (~5dabde24@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [16:56] *techrights_guest|68 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 10 [17:02] XRevan86 https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/10/7351750/ [17:02] TR Bot Kremlin denies prisoner of war status for two British citizens ''condemned to death'' in the DPR? | Ukrayinska Pravda [17:11] TR News #HowTo get your application to show up in GNOME Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165846 [17:11] TR Bot How to get your application to show up in GNOME Software | Tux Machines [17:11] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165847 [17:11] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:16] XRevan86 https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/10/7351721/ [17:16] TR Bot Security Service of Ukraine: invaders planned to distribute Soviet Union passports to residents of Kiev region | Ukrayinska Pravda [17:18] TR News "got my blog re-located finally to https://meeksfamily.uk/~michael after something of a hiatus caused by the demise of people.gnome.org - that lets me continue to be a dinosaur and generate RSS manually and so on." https://meeksfamily.uk/~michael/blog [17:18] TR Bot Stuff Michael Meeks is doing [17:18] TR Bot Stuff Michael Meeks is doing [17:20] TR News Microsoft accelerates its own death to fake or pretend Vista 11 adoption is OK https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/9/23160968/microsoft-windows-11-unsupported-pcs-22h2-update-release-accident [17:20] TR Bot Microsoft has accidentally released Windows 11 for unsupported PCs - The Verge [17:21] TR News Reproducible Builds (diffoscope): diffoscope 216 released https://diffoscope.org/news/diffoscope-216-released/ [17:21] TR Bot diffoscope 216 released [17:23] TR News "Mozilla will be represented on the WHATWG Steering Group by Tantek elik going forward." https://annevankesteren.nl/2022/06/after-mozilla [17:23] TR Bot After Mozilla Annes Blog [17:35] TR News Microsoft is just pushing proprietary software; it's not even pretending otherwise https://news.itsfoss.com/atom-being-discontinued/ [17:35] TR Bot To Favor Microsoft VS Code, Microsoft's GitHub is Killing GitHub's Atom Editor - It's FOSS News [17:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [17:46] TR News Facebook and Iran (corporate media uses the fake name of the company for PR purposes) https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220609-activists-urge-meta-to-overhaul-policies-for-iran-content [17:46] TR Bot Activists urge Meta to overhaul policies for Iran content [17:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [17:49] TR News Consultation paper on Media Ownership: TRAI-ing to do too much https://internetfreedom.in/trai-ing-to-do-too-much/ Source: internetfreedom [17:49] TR Bot Consultation paper on Media Ownership: TRAI-ing to do too much [17:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [17:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [17:53] TR News Phoronix used to be pro-Linux. Now it's pro-Phoronix sponsors. That is a problem. Same as Linux [sic] Foundation... [17:55] TR News Sounds like marketing spam: "Plus, a surprise live unboxing of HP's Dev One Linux laptop." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8489 [17:55] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [17:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [17:56] TR News Why Complex Systems Collapse Faster - Tablet Magazine //www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/why-complex-systems-collapse-faster think systemd... [17:57] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165849 [17:57] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines ● Jun 10 [18:07] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@y2dkvm8keppsn.irc) has joined #techrights [18:18] TR News "I hope I didn't miss anyone - though of course I have several Linux packaging heros that are (arguably) not per-se app-store packagers I had to miss out: Rene, Petr, Fridrich and no doubt more." https://meeksfamily.uk/~michael/blog/2022-06-10.html [18:18] TR Bot Stuff Michael Meeks is doing [18:18] TR News The collapse of complex software | Read the Tea Leaves //nolanlawson.com/2022/06/09/the-collapse-of-complex-software/ [18:28] *matey (~matey@gbni5wfvfwfpg.irc) has joined #techrights [18:28] *matey has quit (connection closed) [18:29] *matey (~matey@gbni5wfvfwfpg.irc) has joined #techrights [18:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-09.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-10.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [18:36] matey there is one situation where most (same author) is definitely better than using jed (as a less alternative) [18:37] matey if you copy most to /usr/bin/less then it will still work (with colour) when you run man pages [18:37] matey jed (at least by default) will so you ^HS^Htuff like this [18:38] SomeH4x0r hi [18:38] matey hi someh4x0r, did you see what i said yesterday about irc over tor? [18:38] SomeH4x0r I probably missed it, but it should be in my logs [18:38] matey i can repeat it if its convenient for you [18:38] SomeH4x0r ok [18:39] matey basically since youre interested in setting up irc channels etc [18:39] matey you should (imo) show more people how to setup irc over tor [18:39] matey its too easy and everyone who is interested enough to try it should [18:39] matey even if they only run it for a day, theyve seen irc working without dns [18:40] matey which is great. then if they ever need an irc channel (or another onion service) they know its something theyve done, its easy [18:40] matey everyone can have their own irc server and they can still group together on the more popular networks [18:40] TR News Microsoft Attacking Free Software Again (ro Promote Its Proprietary Stuff Which Spies) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165850 [18:40] TR Bot Microsoft Attacking Free Software Again (ro Promote Its Proprietary Stuff Which Spies) | Tux Machines [18:41] SomeH4x0r I don't atm, however on UplinkIRC I try to teach people IRC basics, some people become regulars, some stay for a few days [18:41] matey its just an idea, something to consider now or in the future [18:41] matey setting up tor and irc really isnt hard [18:42] TR News songs for the road ahead gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1003 [18:42] matey as yo uknow [18:42] matey it would be cool if more people knew that [18:42] TR News New Digs and Thoughts About Transportation and Community gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/gemlog/2022-06-10-transportation.gmi [18:42] matey my associate even thinks it could help reboot hacker culture (maybe...) [18:43] matey id certainly recommend it over any fediverse crap [18:43] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [18:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [18:44] *zleap has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:45] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [18:55] matey installing gnu/penguinshit for the first time in nearly 2 years [18:56] SomeH4x0r btw, Sweety, a person I met on UplinkIRC a few months ago, did appear on TWISTED again [18:56] SomeH4x0r no idea if you seen them [18:57] SomeH4x0r they wanted to switch to GNU/Linux, but yet failed [18:57] matey which distro did they try\ [18:58] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [18:59] MinceR (cat) https://obviousplant.tumblr.com/post/157321652768/i-gave-these-adoptable-cats-some-interesting-likes [18:59] TR Bot Obvious Plant I gave these adoptable cats some interesting likes... [18:59] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techrights [18:59] SomeH4x0r can't remember, iirc Linux Mint at least [18:59] SomeH4x0r but [18:59] SomeH4x0r 19:01 < SomeH4x0r> btw did you switch to GNU/Linux? [18:59] SomeH4x0r 19:03 < Sweety> i gave up, every one distribution had errors ● Jun 10 [19:00] schestowitz_TR2 maybe we can help solve some of them [19:01] matey /me has gnu installed [19:02] SomeH4x0r tell them to come back to techrights [19:02] matey one machine, which already works fine with openbsd [19:02] matey but since im probably going to make something for gnu/linux with this, ive got a gnu installation again [19:02] SomeH4x0r *told [19:03] schestowitz_TR2 sometimes it's a tricky thing, sometimes not complicated [19:03] schestowitz_TR2 like some linux-hostile piece of hardware [19:03] matey or user-hostile init system [19:03] schestowitz_TR2 some ubuntu users now moan about systemd-oomd [19:03] schestowitz_TR2 systemd cannot do OOM right [19:04] matey s/OOM/much of anything/ [19:04] schestowitz_TR2 maybe in 5-10 years it'll work right [19:04] matey maybe in 5-10 years lennart will have taken up pig farming [19:04] schestowitz_TR2 when they transitioned eveyrthing to pulseaudio, for years I had to occasionally rweboot [19:04] schestowitz_TR2 to get sound to work again [19:04] matey not that theres anything wrong with that [19:04] matey he will probably try to clone all the pigs so there are no differences between them [19:05] matey what is it with germans and uniformity anyway? [19:05] schestowitz_TR2 LP used to blame Ubuntu itself [19:05] schestowitz_TR2 saying it was improperly packaging pulseaudioo [19:05] schestowitz_TR2 brb [19:05] matey the proper way to package it is with cement [19:05] matey like they did to the chernobyl plant [19:05] psydruid The Adventures of Lennart Pig on the Pig Farm [19:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: Smells like that rtkit bug that causes it to revoke rtprio on suspend. [19:06] TR News Get popcorn https://www.maketecheasier.com/microsoft-bug-unsupported-pcs-upgrade-to-windows-11/ [19:06] TR Bot Microsoft Bug Allows Unsupported PCs to Upgrade to Windows 11 - Make Tech Easier [19:06] matey psydruid: im going with a conservative (read: lazy) approach to this project for now [19:06] matey im creating a series of scripts that will simply transform an existing installation [19:06] matey i will consider making them into something that converts the live iso as well [19:07] XRevan86 For me it mysteriously disappeared after I updated to Linux 5.16+. But other people confirm it still exists on other machines. [19:07] matey but this is less effort, plus it targets existing installs [19:07] psydruid matey, I'm sure you'll manage [19:07] matey oh this is the easy way [19:07] matey i could do worse [19:07] psydruid I wish I had that much interest in gnu/linux left, but I don't [19:08] matey neither do i [19:08] psydruid I'm just a user [19:08] matey yeah right [19:08] matey maybe thats true on the gnu/linux side [19:08] XRevan86 "Smells like" <- But not necessarily it, as PulseAudio doesn't absolutely need priority/rtprio to function. [19:10] matey did we ever figure out exactly why it creates noise and stuttering? [19:10] matey is there a definitive reason for that [19:10] XRevan86 Probably something else, I should stop assuming every uptimey sound bug is rtkit. [19:12] XRevan86 matey: That's underruns/overruns, there's no general but specific umbrella explanation for why they happen. [19:13] MinceR the explanation is that it was designed by lennart poettering [19:13] matey lol [19:13] matey works for me [19:27] *matey has quit (connection closed) [19:29] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/find-a-man https://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/165332644120220523after.png [19:29] TR Bot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Find a Man [19:34] TR News Celebrating Eighteen | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/tux-machines-cakes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/10/tux-machines-cakes/ [19:34] TR Bot Celebrating Eighteen | Techrights [19:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [19:50] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [19:56] AdmFubar https://www.pogowasright.org/met-police-profiling-children-on-a-large-scale-documents-show/ [19:56] TR Bot Met police profiling children on a large scale, documents show [19:59] AdmFubar https://www.propublica.org/article/chicago-housing-abla-fire-soccer-cha#1349316 [19:59] TR Bot Chicago Promised This Land for Housing. Its Going to Be a Chicago Fire Practice Facility Instead. ProPublica ● Jun 10 [20:11] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [20:16] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights (Leaving.) [20:16] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [20:17] AdmFubar writing on the wall? https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-stop-using-non-competition-clauses-salary-transparency-corporate-culture-2022-6 [20:17] TR Bot Microsoft Won't Ban Most Staff From Seeking Jobs at Big Tech Rivals [20:20] AdmFubar https://techxplore.com/news/2022-06-foods-shoppers-sue-amazon-free.html [20:20] TR Bot Whole Foods shoppers sue Amazon following end of free delivery for Prime members [20:22] TR News Photos: Tux Machines at 18 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165851 [20:22] TR Bot Photos: Tux Machines at 18 | Tux Machines [20:23] AdmFubar aaawwww techrightrights is now old enough to legally buy an assault weapon in the us! [20:26] TR News Kills becomes "Sunsets" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165850#comment-33937 [20:26] TR Bot Microsoft Attacking Free Software Again (ro Promote Its Proprietary Stuff Which Spies) | Tux Machines [20:30] TR News Ubuntu problems, Linux on iPad, System76 in Europe - Linux and open source news - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=39PylALvQ3U Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [20:30] TR Bot Ubuntu problems, Linux on iPad, System76 in Europe - Linux and open source news - Invidious [20:30] TR News systemd is not "Ubuntu" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=39PylALvQ3U [20:31] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, I've got one better. [20:31] DaemonFC WHen they switched to "glitch-free" pulseaudio is when that sound card I had started glitching. [20:32] TR News Review: openSUSE Leap 15.4 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165852 [20:32] TR Bot Review: openSUSE Leap 15.4 | Tux Machines [20:33] TR News As weve just noted, based on the latest puff piece from the EPOs very own Web site, Antnio Campinos and the EPO at large are in the pockets of lobbyists and special interests of the worlds largest corporations http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/epo-monopolisers/ [20:33] TR Bot [Meme] Working for Monopolisers | Techrights [20:33] TR News Antnio Campinos (Monopoly Tony) has no legitimate, factual, and authentic arguments to make; like politicians who start wars and lie to their people, Monopoly Tony is nowadays resorting to buzzwords and greenwashing http://techrights.org/2022/06/10/ip5-not-green-or-sustainable/ [20:33] TR Bot Monopolies Are Neither Green Nor Sustainable | Techrights [20:37] DaemonFC Non-compete clauses are routinely abused, especially against lower income workers. [20:38] DaemonFC That way if you take a job at Jimmy John's sandwich shop, you're forbidden from taking a job at another restaurant within a year of quitting, so they can keep you at minimum wage even if something slightly better opens up elsewhere. [20:39] DaemonFC They were enforcing it and it became an issue that the Illinois Attorney General opened an investigation into, so they stopped doing it in Illinois. [20:39] DaemonFC The only reason most of these end up in a contract you sign to work somewhere is to depress wages. [20:39] DaemonFC A guy making sandwiches doesn't know any trade secrets or inside information about the company. [20:40] DaemonFC The rent in many cities is going up 15 or even 20% YoY. [20:40] DaemonFC Locally, they're up about 5% or so. [20:40] DaemonFC I expect the landlord to hit us with another increase, but we're not getting it as badly as they are in some places. [20:41] DaemonFC One reason it's going up like crazy in certain places that were cheap as dirt to live in before is because work from home is getting more common and when you can just live anywhere, why would you pay to live in California anymore? [20:41] DaemonFC You'll probably like it better in Austin, Texas, or Nashville, Tennessee. [20:42] DaemonFC They recently recalled the prosecutor of San Francisco County because he wouldn't pursue charges against any black criminals, and once word caught on, they started having train robberies every day. [20:42] DaemonFC People walking into Walgreens and tossing the entire shelf into bags and walking out. [20:42] DaemonFC Because even if they police come, the prosecutor won't do anything to you because of wokeism. [20:42] DaemonFC So why on Earth wouldn't you just take anything you wanted to? [20:43] DaemonFC The economy of California will probably collapse even before it does in other blue states. [20:44] DaemonFC Illinois is a blue state, but it's still the midwest, so people aren't THAT insane, even here. [20:44] DaemonFC Those companies that are down by half on the year that Jim Cramer was saying "Throw your money at that! You can't lose!". California. [20:44] DaemonFC Almost two million net losses of residents in the last 10 years? California. [20:45] DaemonFC And that didn't even count the people moving during and after the Census because it asked where you lived on April 1, 2020. [20:45] DaemonFC And when you're getting the hell out a few months later, California still gets the numbers this time. [20:45] DaemonFC So I mean, it's worse. It's worse than what the Census showed. If the Census asked even where they lived on September 1st 2020, they'd have lost another seat in Congress. [20:46] DaemonFC New York too. [20:46] DaemonFC The whole thing is leading into a 2032-2042 Republican Majority in Congress, and probably favoring them in the White House too. [20:47] DaemonFC Because people say they're progressive, but then they get a look at the 14 pages of government taxing their home and the 60 cent a gallon Democrat tax hike to run the car. [20:47] DaemonFC All of a sudden, not so much. [20:48] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, We even have a unit of government where I live that "sprays for mosquitoes", except it doesn't. [20:48] DaemonFC It taxes us, and then it doesn't spray. [20:49] DaemonFC The Lake County Democrats saw that the mosquito district has over $4.7 million dollars in the bank and is moving to abolish the district and take over "mosquito spraying" that they aren't even doing, so they can raid the bank account and keep taxing for not spraying the mosquitoes. [20:50] DaemonFC Lilo and Stitch accidentally accomplished with comedy what's going on here in Illinois. [20:51] DaemonFC Part of the plot of the movie was that the aliens weren't blowing up Earth because it was a refuge for mosquitoes. [20:53] *kiki_ has quit (connection closed) [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 10 [21:02] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:09] psydroid2 Snaps are Ubuntu [21:10] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/foreword [21:10] TR Bot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Foreword [21:29] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-09.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-10.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [21:35] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [21:36] DaemonFC Snaps are the universal next generation Web 3.0 Microsoft-approved package for the future of Linux, also known as Ubuntu on WSL. [21:36] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@freenode-7g3n7g.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #techrights [21:44] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jun 10 [22:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [22:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jun 10 [23:04] psydruid In the name of matlock, amen [23:31] *matey (~matey@xwtec8cieagwc.irc) has joined #techrights [23:31] matey so this is fun [23:32] matey ive had gnu/cloaca on this piece of shit for a few hours and im ready to literally chuck it over the fucking balcony [23:32] matey seriously, this laptop has been condemned [23:32] matey i dont even care that i can put openbsd on it again [23:32] matey i demand a fucking sacrifice [23:33] matey granted this relatively unfair and what im trying to do is unorthodox at best [23:33] matey but i want my pound of silicon [23:33] matey WHY THE FUCK DOES SHUTDOWN -R NOT FUCKING WORK [23:33] SomeH4x0r hi [23:33] matey hi [23:34] matey this machine literally cannot reboot [23:34] matey its a special little snowflake [23:34] matey i have a balcony [23:34] matey its going to to take a big fucking dive [23:34] matey now you may think "hey man, thats crazy" [23:34] matey "you were happy with openbsd on it" [23:34] matey "just put it back!" [23:35] matey nope, i put gnu/linux on it again and now its tainted [23:35] matey its too stupid to justify its existence [23:35] matey for the want of a real os [23:35] matey /me grins evilly [23:35] matey i should put alpine on it [23:35] matey but NOBDOY wants that [23:36] matey not me, not anyone here [23:36] matey wars have started over less [23:36] TR News 6 Practical Reasons for Learning Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165853 [23:36] TR Bot 6 Practical Reasons for Learning Linux | Tux Machines [23:36] matey better a laptop gets destroyed than a war for nothing [23:36] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165854 [23:36] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [23:36] matey (fwiw i think alpine would LIKELY be less bullshit than this) [23:37] matey (im not saying that to be nice, im saying it because its the fucking truth) [23:37] matey theres a certain poetry to this [23:37] matey i gave a nicer laptop than this away to refracta [23:38] matey yes and no-- i mean it was a toshiba [23:38] matey toshiba is japanese for "im sorry" [23:38] matey but it had all those cores [23:38] matey this is an i3 [23:38] matey its BEGGING me for death [23:38] matey "please kill me" [23:39] matey im really tempted [23:39] matey if fucking around with penguinshit costs me a whole laptop [23:39] matey im not exactly rolling in these things [23:39] matey i swear ill never touch the shit again [23:40] matey this was supposed to be an experiment [23:40] matey tell that to marie curie, eh? [23:40] matey "ill just fuck around with this glowing shit, its no big deal, OOH, ITS PRETTY!" [23:41] matey so really, chucking this fucker off the balcony (theres no one around) would be poetic [23:41] matey and a lifelong reminder DONT FUCK WITH PENGUINSHIT [23:41] matey because its shit [23:41] matey but [23:42] matey maybe we can play a little but longer before it goes for its fucking swan dive [23:42] matey ive removed the battery so when its being a shit i can pull the power [23:42] AdmFubar what does your policy cover? also what's in your wallet? does it leave a ring shape? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/10/geico-woman-std-car-insurance-company-must-pay [23:42] TR Bot Insurers Geico ordered to pay woman who caught STD having sex in car $5.2m | Missouri | The Guardian [23:43] matey even im not silly enough to throw fucking li-ons around [23:43] matey the thing im trying to is SO. FUCKING. SIMPLE. [23:43] matey its ludicrious [23:44] matey and before we go any further, psydroid was right [23:44] matey this is bullshit! [23:44] matey i went to mountains of trouble to get away from exactly this [23:45] matey its stupid [23:46] TR News Plexs New Linux Apps Arrive on Flathub Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165855 [23:46] TR Bot Plexs New Linux Apps Arrive on Flathub | Tux Machines [23:46] matey anyway im too curious to give up yet [23:46] matey i could just (physically) throttle the thing if it gets too ridiculous [23:47] matey worst ill do is destroy a laptop or trip a circuit breaker [23:48] TR News Chrome is proprietary software. It is not safe to use. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/10/google-releases-security-updates-chrome [23:48] TR Bot Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISA [23:50] matey this is the kind of shit im dealing with atm https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/429481/shutdown-r-works-but-reboot-does-not [23:50] TR Bot centos - "shutdown -r" works but "reboot" does not - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange [23:50] matey what the serious fuck [23:50] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165856 [23:50] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [23:50] matey BASIC SHIT [23:51] matey sincerely hoping to learn something, but the whole piece of shit is held together with duct tape and chewing gum [23:56] TR News "Dennis is a Python command line utility (and library) for working with localization." https://bluesock.org/~willkg/blog/dev/dennis_1_0_0.html [23:56] TR Bot Dennis v1.0.0 released! Retrospective! Handing it off! | Will's Blog [23:56] TR News What does this have to do with Firefox, Mozilla? https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/tony-nominated-arnulfo-maldonado-shares-pride-and-joy-from-his-corner-of-the-internet/ [23:56] TR Bot Tony-nominated Arnulfo Maldonado Shares Pride and Joy From His Corner of the Internet [23:57] matey this is getting INCREDIBLY stupid [23:57] matey im hacking the fuck out of a computer I HAVE ROOT ON [23:58] matey TO REBOOT [23:58] matey what the fuck arse balls [23:58] TR News Ephemeron Tables aka JavaScript WeakMaps and How They Work https://blog.mozilla.org/sfink/2022/06/09/ephemeron-tables-aka-javascript-weakmaps/ [23:58] TR Bot Ephemeron Tables aka JavaScript WeakMaps and How They Work | sfink @ Mozilla [23:59] TR News ExTiX Deepin 22.6 Live based on Deepin 20.6 (latest) with Refracta Snapshot and kernel 5.18.1-amd64-exton :: Build 220610 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165857 [23:59] TR Bot ExTiX Deepin 22.6 Live based on Deepin 20.6 (latest) with Refracta Snapshot and kernel 5.18.1-amd64-exton :: Build 220610 | Tux Machines