●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, December 10, 2020 ●●

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[00:28]	MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/IqdvgUj.jpg
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● Dec 10
[03:10]	schestowitz	gm
[03:13]	schestowitz	https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/the-road-to-software-freedom-is-paved-with-licensing
[03:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | The road to software freedom is paved with licensing Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[03:17]	DaemonFC[m]	The GPLv3 caused a mass exodus.
[03:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Now the Linux distributions are figuring out how to get away from GRUB.
[03:18]	schestowitz	what you say is nonsense
[03:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Fedora's "kill Legacy BIOS support" feature is really about killing GRUB. They don't want to do any work on systemd-boot so that it will boot up on BIOS systems.
[03:18]	DaemonFC[m]	And Lennart Poettering is all over that thread talking about switching to systemd-boot as part of the feature.
[03:19]	DaemonFC[m]	My guess is that they just didn't want anything headline grabbing.
[03:19]	DaemonFC[m]	To be fair, if systemd-boot was a good idea, then writing special code to handle legacy BIOS wouldn't make much sense.
[03:19]	DaemonFC[m]	Because the systems that need it are all at least a decade or more old.
[03:20]	DaemonFC[m]	But it makes no sense, on a technical level, to throw out GRUB, which already supports BIOS PCs.
[03:21]	DaemonFC[m]	https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/QBANCA2UAJ5ZSMDVVARLIYAJE66TYTCD/
[03:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.fedoraproject.org | The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora. - devel - Fedora Mailing-Lists
[03:21]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: This is lunacy.
[03:23]	DaemonFC[m]	In another 5 years it might start to make sense as a "This is kind of bloated and it's a corner case now for Fedora.", but they used to try to support hardware for about 20 years.
[03:23]	DaemonFC[m]	"This post is just to gather feed back why Fedora should still continue
[03:23]	DaemonFC[m]	to support legacy BIOS boot as opposed to stop supporting it and
[03:23]	DaemonFC[m]	potentially drop grub2 and use sd-boot instead."
[03:23]	DaemonFC[m]	Sure....
[03:24]	DaemonFC[m]	The decision is already either made, or getting there (in favor of killing off GRUB).
[03:24]	DaemonFC[m]	It's under the GPLv3 and I'm sure that's really what's at issue here.
[03:27]	DaemonFC[m]	I'm just not seeing any strong technical arguments for this.
[03:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Lennart Poettering is arguing for making a big fucking mess in the ESP by dumping kernels in it and making it larger.
[03:30]	DaemonFC[m]	He also says that GRUB "stole" the term "boot loader specification".
[03:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Resizing an ESP means risking the integrity of whatever OS the user already has installed.
[03:31]	DaemonFC[m]	Unless you are only booting one operating system and if you trash it you can just recover by making a new one, you should leave it the hell alone.
[03:32]	DaemonFC[m]	It may not even be possible to resize the ESP contiguously, and do we know that absolutely never causes a problem with any uEFI firmwares? If you don't dump kernels into it, you can just reuse the one that Windows already created.
[03:33]	DaemonFC[m]	This is also why I never dual boot a system, especially not with Windows.
[03:33]	DaemonFC[m]	Something always goes wrong at some point, but this is the first time I think I've seen a Linux distribution proposing a change that would make it happen.
[03:47]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Mozilla-moves-out-of-Mountain-View-15786106.php
[03:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla moves out of Mountain View - SFChronicle.com
[03:48]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, after you lay off 600 engineers so you can pay for people to turn it into adware, and a "Global Chief Diversity Officer", and Baker's ridiculous salary....
[03:56]	schestowitz	"Firefox is losing users. We have been for a while. Obviously, we want to turn this around. We started by setting a goal for 2020: Slow the loss of Firefox users." By spying on them!!! #mozilla #firefox https://blog.harterrt.com/cascading_metrics.html
[03:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.harterrt.com Leading with Data - Cascading Metrics
● Dec 10
[04:18]	smnthermes	> DaemonFC[m] wrote:
[04:18]	smnthermes	> Fedora's "kill Legacy BIOS support" feature is really about killing GRUB. They don't want to do any work on systemd-boot so that it will boot up on BIOS systems.
[04:18]	smnthermes	systemd-coreutils and systemd-libc when?
[04:19]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, there was a Linux fork of GNU libc before and it was a disaster.
[04:19]	DaemonFC[m]	"Linux libc", and they didn't keep logs of who contributed to it so it was a mess as far as figuring out who had the copyright.
[04:19]	DaemonFC[m]	So when they adopted GNU libc again, everything in the Linux fork was lost.
[04:37]	search_social	systemd-boot? haha
[04:37]	search_social	i hope devuan survives
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[04:59]	schestowitz	systemd-bootd
[04:59]	schestowitz	it's not conquered until there's a d in it
[04:59]	schestowitz	d for deutsch
● Dec 10
[05:05]	vZS1	If you take technical advice from Red Hat there's already something very wrong with you
[05:08]	vZS1	These companies can hoodwink people all they like but they don't have the hackers to build things like early GNU did.
[05:08]	search_social	there needs to be a master list of what's good and bad
[05:08]	vZS1	And some currently on GNU
[05:08]	search_social	mainly just of what's good since it seems most things are bad
[05:08]	vZS1	Pointless. Who gets to decide what's good or bad?
[05:09]	search_social	i meant techrights
[05:09]	search_social	like you publish all these stories that describe such a list
[05:09]	search_social	but one has to trawl through all the stories to figure out what it is
[05:09]	schestowitz	use the wiki
[05:10]	vZS1	That's oversimplification
[05:10]	schestowitz	e.g. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage
[05:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights
[05:10]	schestowitz	also, everything is a mix or bad and good
[05:10]	vZS1	^
[05:10]	schestowitz	you need to understand the pertinent reasons
[05:10]	schestowitz	just making some blanket 'blacklist' is not enough
[05:10]	schestowitz	if you cannot argue to other people why boycott
[05:12]	search_social	yeah that's good page
[05:12]	search_social	well actually i think having a list of the good guys is more important
[05:12]	search_social	like it says linux foundation is bad on that page so what's the alternative
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[07:52]	DaemonFC[m]	+3,260 dead from COVID in the US yesterday.
[07:54]	search_social	wrong
[07:54]	search_social	"with" covid
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[11:52]	schestowitz	x https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/the-office-of-internet-freedom-reborn-at-the-u-s-agency-for-global-media_3511380.html
[11:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theepochtimes.com | US Agency for Global Media Reopens Office of Internet Freedom
[11:52]	schestowitz	# using FOSS funding for proprietary garbage
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[11:56]	schestowitz	x https://telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/view-instead-of-tiktok-microsoft-can-strike-a-discord/79654781
[11:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Microsoft: View: Instead of TikTok, Microsoft can strike a Discord, Telecom News, ET Telecom
● Dec 10
[12:27]	psydroid	<schestowitz "# using FOSS funding for proprie"> I've been thinking for quite a while that current power structures can't exist in the context of predominantly free software/society/culture, so there will always be forces that will seek to close functionalities and features off to the public at large
[12:28]	psydroid	and eventually this also corrupts and reigns back in companies and organisations built on free software such as Red Hat, Canonical, Debian etc.
[12:40]	psydroid	reins*
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[12:54]	vZS1	You can't stop people building products around Free Software
[12:54]	vZS1	The license permits out
[12:54]	vZS1	it*
[12:55]	vZS1	Because they can't own the code, orgs try to own the ecosystem.
[12:56]	vZS1	Think GNU/Linux distributions, etc
[12:59]	vZS1	distributions are actually pretty terrible for software freedom. Because users are pretty much forced to use whatever their distribution upstream decides on
● Dec 10
[13:01]	vZS1	Control the distribution upstreams and you control users
[13:03]	MinceR	distros don't seem to make it more difficult to build things from source manually
[13:03]	MinceR	users just don't care
[13:05]	MinceR	i guess it depends on what it is you're trying to install
[13:16]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/20080850
[13:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4811278)
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[13:48]	Slyly	Hello. I was wondering one thing about free software... So in order for a software to be `free`, you must be able to run, redistribute, study and modify it.
[13:48]	Slyly	How does that apply to games, specifically multiplayer games. Where modifications to the game code would be cheating.
[13:53]	psydroid	it applies to games just the same as it applies to any other software
[13:53]	MinceR	modifications to the game code are not necessarily cheating
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[13:54]	psydroid	disallowing modifications to games is a social thing imposed by a community (or a company in the case of proprietary games)
[13:57]	Slyly	the ability (or disability) to redistribute is also a social thing?
[13:58]	MinceR	it's partially legal
[13:59]	Slyly	in the case of a online competitive game, if the person modified the game how can you tell it was not for getting unfair advantage?
[13:59]	MinceR	it can be difficult to tell
[13:59]	MinceR	and it can depend on how the community sees it
[13:59]	Slyly	it is easier and cheaper to not allow it to be done.
● Dec 10
[14:00]	MinceR	but i'm pretty sure that e.g. Threewave CTF and the original TeamFortress are not cheats :>
[14:00]	Slyly	at least in competitive play, I would require a checksum of the binaries
[14:00]	MinceR	that can be difficult to verify
[14:00]	MinceR	and it's possible to cheat without modifying the game
[14:00]	MinceR	e.g. by inspecting its memory
[14:01]	MinceR	some corporations make a business out of pretending that preventing cheating is easy, but it isn't
[14:01]	Slyly	that is true. but just because there are other means of cheating, doesn't mean that eliminating another is not productive
[14:01]	MinceR	eliminating mods would be unproductive
[14:02]	Slyly	you don't need to eliminate mods, only prohibit their use in competitive play
[14:02]	MinceR	what if someone wants to compete in playing a mod?
[14:02]	MinceR	hell, there are mods that were created specifically for competitive play, like OSP
[14:02]	Slyly	thats not sofware freedom it is competition guidelines and rules. just like F1 have restricitons
[14:03]	MinceR	competition guidelines and rules do not constrain what you can do with the software outside competition, so i doubt it would infringe on software freedom
[14:04]	MinceR	unless you were banned from using it outside competition :>
[14:05]	Slyly	well, many games wouldn't exist, not even in a similar fashion if they had to be free software. Becuase the business model wouldn't work
[14:06]	MinceR	too bad
[14:06]	MinceR	they would be more useful if they were free
[14:06]	MinceR	and the community could develop them into something better
[14:08]	Slyly	yeah but quality is sometimes costy and the community many times lacks focus. like 0AD it seems it will never leave alpha
[14:08]	MinceR	Xonotic is great thougjh
[14:08]	MinceR	s/jh/h/
[14:10]	Slyly	but how about FFXIV and World of Warcraft. I think they classify more as art than as software hence it is a good reason to have them as closed source. At least their engines should been opensource and free
[14:10]	MinceR	most games are a combination of art and software
[14:10]	MinceR	including many free ones
[14:11]	MinceR	an MMO can be difficult to run as free software though
[14:11]	MinceR	since part of the challenge is building up stats on someone else's computer
[14:11]	MinceR	(which is the main reason i'm not interested in MMOs)
[14:11]	Slyly	yes, but the artist or commissioner has the choice on whether to share the art for free or not. Like any art. And neigher decision is wrong or right.
[14:12]	MinceR	indeed
[14:12]	MinceR	one way, they're unlikely to get paid well, the other way, their art will be less useful
[14:13]	MinceR	afaik Morphed did get paid for making some models for Xonotic though
[14:13]	Slyly	I think there could be a process like the art/game would be proprietary for a length of time. but as they get old they become free.
[14:13]	MinceR	id used to do something like that
[14:13]	MinceR	but they're dead
[14:14]	MinceR	and in their case, only the code became free, the assets didn't
[14:15]	Slyly	well, sometimes the assets were bought in way they could not redistribute it as-is
[14:15]	Slyly	only derivative works.
[14:16]	MinceR	if only derivative works are included in the game, those might be free then
[14:16]	Slyly	the game is the derivative work, but giving access to the raw assests would be breaking the contract
[14:17]	MinceR	where would assets (e.g. textures or sound effects) that are derivatives of the original bought assets stand?
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[14:18]	Slyly	maybe the assets were already bought as texture and sound effects.
[14:19]	Slyly	and just because you crop a image, it does not make it a derivative work. just a partial reproduction
[14:20]	Slyly	guess there is a blurred line between what's derivative and just mild modification
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[14:21]	MinceR	dunno, i'm not a lawyer
[14:22]	Slyly	guess that's just common sense, you cant claim it is derivative work if you just removed a few pixels and changed the color a bit.
[14:29]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/20080817
[14:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4810123)
[14:39]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/20080721
[14:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4807790)
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[14:48]	vZS1	Slyly: nobody is stopping people from making proprietary games. I buy games and still support "free software".
[14:49]	vZS1	Test
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[14:50]	vZS1	Slyly: real freedom means the user can decide about what they put on their machines. Proprietary or something like GPL.
[14:51]	vZS1	I buy proprietary games but I also support GPL software. They're not mutually exclusive
[14:53]	vZS1	Guess you could call it "freedom of choice".
[14:56]	oiaohm	vZS1: some games have been more propietary than others there are quite a list of games that were proprietary that don't work at all any more that were only releaed in the last 5 years.
● Dec 10
[15:03]	MinceR	(cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/13/d4aa69adfb4bc390.jpg
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[16:07]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/2008077
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[16:08]	XRevan86	MinceR: huh?
[16:08]	MinceR	"ammonia cleaner" -> "i'm only a cleaner"
[16:09]	XRevan86	But there's no l
[16:10]	MinceR	people often slur phonemes
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[16:15]	XRevan86	Could be "I'm owning a cleaner"
[16:16]	MinceR	i'm pwning a cleaner
[16:18]	MinceR	https://www.theonion.com/facebook-announces-plan-to-break-up-u-s-government-bef-1844121902
[16:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theonion.com | Facebook Announces Plan To Break Up U.S. Government Before It Becomes Too Powerful
[16:19]	XRevan86	I expected "that's what she said", but close enough.
[16:20]	MinceR	:)
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[17:19]	vZS1	I'm oni, a cleaner
[17:19]	vZS1	
[17:20]	MinceR	:>
[17:22]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:irrelevant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/13/72974526591fe481.mp4
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[18:02]	MinceR	https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/11/e3cdb43fa112f76b.jpg
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● Dec 10
[19:22]	DaemonFC[m]	James Carville, Bill Clinton's campaign manager in 1992 and 1996, was in New Orleans this year where tons of people were dying of COVID, telling CNN "Nobody's going to vote for four more years of this.".
[19:22]	DaemonFC[m]	Nobody voted for 4 seconds of Windows 10 S, so Microsoft made it a "Mode" where it's basically Jerry Daycare.
[19:23]	DaemonFC[m]	https://rickandmorty.fandom.com/wiki/Jerryboree
[19:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rickandmorty.fandom.com | Jerryboree | Rick and Morty Wiki | Fandom
[19:41]	liberty_box	https://jonathancarter.org/?p=10876 - "I will spend my days making sure the world knows that REDHAT is a bunch of greedy wankers. I will also completely move away from Centos. And instead, go with a whole new OS. Probably Debian. P.s Screw you RedHat."
[19:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jonathancarter.org | CentOS Stream, or Debian? | Jonathan Carter
[19:45]	DaemonFC[m]	"Black tearsI wasnt happy with what happened to their KDE SIG, he said. One person who has been there from the KDE on Red Hat beginning (Rex Dieter) got banned, and [what remains is] a few part timers who mostly use Edge on Windows 10."
[19:45]	DaemonFC[m]	No, schestowitz , I think I said one person (Rex Dieter) is left.
[19:46]	DaemonFC[m]	But the rest is correct.
[19:46]	DaemonFC[m]	There's really no IBM interest in KDE at all, except that I was told that they allow Red Hat to kick in some money. But why? How much? For how long?
[19:48]	DaemonFC[m]	None of their products use it, or even offer it anymore. If it is theoretically possible to install KDE on RHEL you'd be completely unsupported so there's no businesses who are going to bother. The whole point with corporations is that they're extremely conservative with risk (to themselves) and will not touch something if there's no support contract, whether they need one of not, whether the software actually has
[19:48]	DaemonFC[m]	more or fewer bugs than something that doesn't have a support contract.
[19:49]	DaemonFC[m]	Red Hat, iirc, threw out KDE as an option right before the IBM merger. Companies that are looking to be acquired cut their expenses to the bone, and letting customers file tickets against two desktop environments when probably 90% took GNOME because it was the default is an "expense" that is "not justified" when you're a CEO.
[19:50]	DaemonFC[m]	Ubuntu isn't as hostile to other desktop environments, but they're not supported by Canonical. 
[19:50]	DaemonFC[m]	The Main repo is supported and it has everything that comes with the Ubuntu spin, including the majority of GNOME.
[19:51]	DaemonFC[m]	So when distributions are only offering support contracts and full product lifecycles to GNOME users, people gravitate to GNOME even if they don't like it very much.
[19:51]	DaemonFC[m]	I think that's how they managed to rope Linus Torvalds into using it again.
[19:52]	DaemonFC[m]	Instead of throwing KDE out, maybe Red Hat should have looked into GNOME bankrupting itself with reverse sexism, trying to bring in female interns by paying them, only them, not men.
[19:52]	DaemonFC[m]	In fact, if Red Hat itself did something like that, it would be slapped down so hard when it got into a US courtroom.
[19:54]	DaemonFC[m]	The project basically threw all its money away on Outreach to Women instead of investing in the software, and then Red Hat had to bail them out with a cash infusion. That should have been incredibly embarrassing for them, but they committed themselves to GNOME a long time ago and now they have to deal with this disgusting SJW crap where how much you have to do for yourself to get into the software industry depends on
[19:54]	DaemonFC[m]	whether your sex organs are internal or external.
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[19:55]	DaemonFC[m]	Then GNOME ratified a Code of Conduct, after the bailout, where they codified their anti-male and anti-white policies. 
[19:57]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: So Microsoft is winning the "Cold War" against Linux, not so much with technical sabotage, but letting in the Lunatic Left and Pointy Haired Bosses to destroy it from within.
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[20:05]	DaemonFC[m]	Despite serious misgivings about the COVID-19 vaccines, I registered to be notified when we can make an appointment.
[20:05]	DaemonFC[m]	I noticed that a couple people in the UK had a severe allergic reaction, but they did not say to what component and how many people had gotten the vaccine.
[20:05]	DaemonFC[m]	They're just adding a warning to not give it to people who need to carry an EpiPen.
[20:27]	smnthermes	https://daniel-lange.com/archives/166-No-dog-food-today-the-Linux-Foundation-annual-report.html
[20:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-daniel-lange.com | No dog food today - the Linux Foundation annual report | Daniel Lange's blog
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[20:42]	schestowitz	1,995 us deaths so far, DaemonFC[m]
[20:42]	schestowitz	around midday in CA
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[20:44]	schestowitz	tr_guest|27175: hi
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[20:44]	schestowitz	[19:45] <DaemonFC[m]> No, schestowitz , I think I said one person (Rex Dieter) is left.
[20:45]	schestowitz	It did feel wrong
[20:45]	schestowitz	wrong name
[20:45]	schestowitz	will fix
[20:45]	schestowitz	got Koffler banned,
[20:46]	schestowitz	fixed
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[21:00]	DaemonFC[m]	Thanks, I just wanted to point that out since you said people are looking for mistakes to hit you with.
[21:00]	DaemonFC[m]	Better that we find them first.
[21:00]	MinceR	>whole new   >debian
[21:00]	DaemonFC[m]	I might redo that hard drive's file system again.
[21:01]	DaemonFC[m]	ExFAT really sucks, but it's become the common language between the three major operating systems, with read/write support.
[21:01]	DaemonFC[m]	Linux does understand NTFS, but the journaling format is undocumented.
[21:01]	DaemonFC[m]	So I don't think Linux updates the journal and it just gets updated the next time you plug it into a Windows system.
[21:02]	DaemonFC[m]	That ExFAT FUSE driver was terrible.
[21:04]	MinceR	a patent-encumbered "common language". just what we wanted.
[21:04]	DaemonFC[m]	I will probably eventually start using an external SSD if the price falls enough.
[21:05]	DaemonFC[m]	This hard drive should suffice for a few more years.
[21:05]	MinceR	also, afaik there's no way nor point to updating a journal after the transaction finished
[21:05]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, it can become inconsistent and then you have a different problem.
[21:06]	DaemonFC[m]	And passing NTFS volumes between different versions of Windows can do that too.
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[21:06]	MinceR	transactions that were made without journaling support will work fine if they can finish and will result in an inconsistent filesystem if they can't
[21:07]	DaemonFC[m]	So what to do about those external drives that come formatted NTFS?
[21:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Just use them in Linux like that if you need to share data with a Windows system?
[21:10]	DaemonFC[m]	I think the read/write driver is FUSE. Blecth.
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[21:13]	DaemonFC[m]	The major point of an external hard drive is backing up huge files that I can't fit on the SSD.
[21:13]	DaemonFC[m]	I've noticed that, in general, compressing video game folders has been netting me about a 15% space savings on average.
[21:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Obviously, there's no reason to compress the entire game folder structure, but most of them separate the MP3s or whatever that won't compress well into their own folder.
[21:16]	DaemonFC[m]	I noticed that Windows Update doesn't bother bringing your Intel chipset and graphics drivers up to anything current and puts them under optional updates instead.
[21:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Intel released new graphics drivers specifically for Windows 10 20H2 and it brings huge performance improvements and new hardware decode profiles that Windows doesn't even bother to install if you just leave it alone.
[21:22]	schestowitz	vZS1: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201209/03061645849/german-court-orders-encrypted-email-service-tutanota-to-backdoor-one-account.shtml
[21:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-German Court Orders Encrypted Email Service Tutanota To Backdoor One Account | Techdirt
[21:27]	MinceR	10 220726 < DaemonFC[m]> So what to do about those external drives that come formatted NTFS? 
[21:27]	MinceR	i reformat them to ext4
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[21:44]	schestowitz	"
[21:44]	schestowitz	New puff piece in les echos
[21:44]	schestowitz	Dear Roy,
[21:44]	schestowitz	I have discovered a new puff piece in the official fake news partner of the epo.
[21:44]	schestowitz	https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-services/services-conseils/brevets-la-france-sur-le-podium-europeen-de-la-nouvelle-revolution-industrielle-1272616
[21:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lesechos.fr | Brevets: la France sur le podium europen de la nouvelle rvolution industrielle | Les Echos
[21:44]	schestowitz	While the redhead drug addict oppresses the staff, he plays the hero in the press. The Germans would call his behaviour "Selbstbefriedigung".
[21:44]	schestowitz	Best regards,
[21:44]	schestowitz	"
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[22:06]	vZS1	schestowitz: no surprise there
[22:12]	schestowitz	writing about it now
[22:12]	schestowitz	this is press/urgent
[22:12]	schestowitz	media blackout
[22:12]	schestowitz	if I can still use that term
[22:12]	schestowitz	we're the only one covering these scandals
[22:12]	schestowitz	so we get all the leaks, we earned trust
[22:40]	vZS1	schestowitz: I was referring to the email service news item. Btw
[22:41]	vZS1	Good to see more whistleblowing coming in from EPO staff
[22:43]	schestowitz	it is published now
[22:43]	schestowitz	the above was too raw
[22:43]	schestowitz	edited a bit
[22:44]	XRevan86	schestowitz: I'm puzzled by you mentioning Android 2.x regarding Let's Encrypt moving to their own root certificate from the soon to be expired IdenTrust's one.
[22:45]	XRevan86	schestowitz: There's no contemporary encryption their anyway, it's not like it can make use of TLS at all.
[22:49]	schestowitz	 CIPA President. Amplifying patent litigation extremists from CIPA, who actively promote what's illegal and unconstitutional for financial gain while public supporting criminals
[22:49]	schestowitz	http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/10/vico-for-oral-proceedings-at-the-epo-cipas-view/
[22:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | ViCo for Oral Proceedings at the EPO CIPAs view - Kluwer Patent Blog
[22:49]	schestowitz	XRevan86: maybe more recent fail as well
[22:49]	schestowitz	like android 5-7
[22:50]	schestowitz	android has a release version/bum inflation almost every year
[22:50]	schestowitz	and let's assume people people can make calls on 10-20 year old phones
[22:50]	schestowitz	if they're even made to last that long anymore
[22:51]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Android 5.0-7.0 are affected and relevant, yes.
[22:54]	XRevan86	schestowitz: But it's Android in general that is designed in such a way that things like ca-certificates cannot be updated without tools like Magisk.
[22:55]	XRevan86	They've introduced APEX, maybe in the future they'll use that magical hack to update them, who knows.
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