●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, March 11, 2021 ●● ● Mar 11 [00:01] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:08] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:09] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [00:19] vmg3 Love to be a fly on the wall https://packetstormsecurity.com/files/161734/GS20210310152945.txt [00:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-packetstormsecurity.com | Microsoft Windows Containers Privilege Escalation Packet Storm [00:30] vmg3 geminis back [00:30] *DVulgaris has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [00:35] *DVulgaris (~quassel@185.108.81.14) has joined #techrights [00:38] birkoff it''s almost like smart people can never achieve majority in a rabbit democracy [00:40] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:40] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [00:40] vmg3 Ethics and applied ethics. western philosophy!! https://www.acu.edu.au/study-at-acu/find-a-course/philosophy/ethics-and-applied-ethics someone drinks the koolaid [00:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.acu.edu.au | Study ethics and applied ethics at ACU ● Mar 11 [01:05] MinceR (audio) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/734530.mp4 [01:08] *tr_guest|39070 (4d642707@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.100.39.7) has joined #techrights [01:10] *tr_guest|39070 has quit (Client Quit) [01:11] vmg3 hahaha [01:35] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [01:35] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [01:38] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [01:38] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 51.88 swarm size (avg): 134.01 [01:56] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [01:57] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Mar 11 [02:09] *hook54321_ is now known as hook54321 [02:22] *brendyyn (~brendyyn@124-169-128-124.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrights [02:37] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. 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[06:53] vmg3 schestowitz: the whole lot, when I posted that it was all down from my end [06:53] schestowitz I mean, [06:53] vmg3 techrights [06:53] schestowitz I was checking au.techrights.org [06:54] vmg3 ok i'm still under attack [06:54] vmg3 reading up on iptables and tc [06:55] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [06:56] vmg3 never played with it, but seems to have some good features [06:56] vmg3 always just relied on router [06:56] vmg3 off/low/high [06:57] Ariadne iptables is awful [06:58] vmg3 don't say that [06:58] Ariadne why? it is objectively true [06:58] Ariadne netfilter team made nftables as a replacement because iptables is really that bad [06:58] schestowitz true [06:58] schestowitz we thought about nftables [06:59] schestowitz but this OS comes with iptables [06:59] Ariadne which OS? [06:59] Ariadne alpine has both [06:59] schestowitz Debian [06:59] vmg3 I have to study more at my age its hard to grasp and hold [06:59] Ariadne debian also have both [06:59] Ariadne `apt install nftables` ● Mar 11 [07:00] vmg3 ok its used with tc? [07:00] vmg3 thats where most of my playing has been [07:03] Ariadne can be yeah [07:04] vmg3 ok thanks [07:04] Ariadne anyway if you're trying to learn linux networking skills, focus on nftables, it's the future [07:04] Ariadne iptables is the past [07:04] vmg3 cool, keeps me on my toes [07:05] Ariadne also look at VPP project if you want to learn some stuff that can land you a HPC gig [07:06] Ariadne https://wiki.fd.io/view/VPP/What_is_VPP%3F [07:06] Ariadne really cool stuff [07:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.fd.io | VPP/What is VPP? - fd.io [07:06] vmg3 oh I break things, most of this is way out of my league [07:07] Ariadne i have VPP packaged for alpine, we were able to route 150gbps of traffic on an alpine box with VPP and a pair of 400gbe cards [07:07] Ariadne really neat [07:08] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvaeXgfs-ks [07:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I See So Much Negativity In The World - YouTube [07:09] vmg3 wow, you're a pro. you all should'nt waste to much time on me, honestly [07:09] vmg3 I'm just driven by a bit of curiosity [07:09] Ariadne curiosity is good [07:10] vmg3 it gets me into a lot of trouble [07:10] Ariadne the real way of preserving software freedom is by inspiring more curiosity [07:10] vmg3 In awe of most of the conversation here [07:11] Ariadne there's conversation here worth being in awe of? [07:11] vmg3 for a person at my level yeah [07:12] vmg3 I've been using linux for a few years and that leads to more curiosity [07:12] Ariadne there's better places to lurk, but i am sure you'll find them in your own time ^_^ [07:13] vmg3 I've learnt a bit in a short time [07:13] Ariadne and from a purely academic POV, linux is not the only thing to investigate [07:14] Ariadne you should look at the BSD kernels, and there are even things to learn from the NT model via ReactOS [07:14] vmg3 for sure [07:15] vmg3 I play, most people here are in the industry just tid bits keep me going [07:15] schestowitz linux is, atm, where most OSes are [07:15] schestowitz RHEL, Android... [07:15] schestowitz that might change in the future [07:15] schestowitz the concepts matter more than brands [07:15] vmg3 it all just controls hardware [07:15] Ariadne linux is the new industrial unix [07:16] schestowitz LF makes Linux almost synonymous with "MONOPOLIES", but this process takes time and many people haven't come to acceptance with it [07:16] Ariadne LF is the new AT&T [07:16] schestowitz Ariadne: except unix didn't do "mobile phones" [07:16] Ariadne of course not [07:16] schestowitz or "Aye Oh Tea" [07:16] Ariadne but those things did not exist in the 80s ;) [07:17] schestowitz fewer computers existed [07:17] Ariadne i mean, they did, but it was quite rudementary [07:17] vmg3 retro [07:17] schestowitz power-efficient sometimes [07:17] schestowitz like 1990s phones [07:17] Ariadne back then you got to listen to people's phone calls with a police scanner [07:17] schestowitz no "apps" and "push notifications" [07:18] schestowitz Ariadne: if they used cordless [07:18] schestowitz then you could use walkie talkie [07:18] Ariadne also if they used cellular [07:18] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkie-talkie [07:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Walkie-talkie - Wikipedia [07:18] Ariadne yeah i had a few when i grew up :P [07:18] schestowitz sometimes if you stood next to power poles you could pick better signal [07:18] vmg3 king of the hill [07:19] schestowitz what do "kids" do these days for fun? [07:19] schestowitz I guess tiktok something [07:19] Ariadne that and fortnite [07:19] schestowitz I never met a tiktok user (that I know of) [07:19] schestowitz but apparently many people use tiktok [07:19] Ariadne children do [07:19] schestowitz tiko-talkie [07:19] vmg3 doom shareware on single floppy was my "hey yeah" moment [07:20] schestowitz I played LOADS of doom [07:20] schestowitz and doom2 [07:20] schestowitz fond memories... [07:20] schestowitz it was quite cutting-edge back then [07:20] vmg3 yeah some of the only software i ever paid for [07:20] schestowitz not much innovation in games since then [07:20] schestowitz just more polygon soups [07:20] vmg3 UT taught me how to write a script [07:21] schestowitz now that push real-time ray-tracing [07:21] schestowitz which doesn't even look good [07:21] schestowitz RT only looks good if you give it loads of time [07:21] schestowitz and intricate surfaces, canculations [07:21] vmg3 I dont play games anymore, no enjoyment [07:21] schestowitz the calculation of fine-drained stuff like the angle of each side of a chair [07:22] schestowitz it's mostly gimmicks now [07:22] schestowitz "blow things up" [07:22] schestowitz "more polygons" [07:22] schestowitz "new weapons" [07:22] vmg3 part of the upgrade pc game [07:22] schestowitz Enemy Territory was fun [07:22] schestowitz but hardly innovative [07:22] schestowitz like Wolfenstein modernised [07:23] schestowitz so in 15 years we went from pacman to wolfenstein [07:23] schestowitz the next 15 years? nothing.. [07:23] Ariadne so i am considering accepting an offer for a research position from a certain software company schestowitz hates [07:23] vmg3 most is on steam, The last thing I played was war thunder [07:23] schestowitz Ariadne: probably not hate so much [07:23] schestowitz if it's not Microsoft [07:23] schestowitz Intel, IBM etc. [07:23] Ariadne haha no comment :D [07:23] schestowitz VMware... not the end of the world [07:24] Ariadne well, eating is nice [07:24] vmg3 and sleeping [07:24] schestowitz but it's not Microsoft, right? [07:24] Ariadne it might be [07:25] schestowitz because they can exert pressure to cause censorship [07:25] schestowitz they tried this on us before [07:25] schestowitz salaries are slush funds to them [07:25] schestowitz if their true wish is muzzling their critics [07:25] schestowitz Also, Microsoft doesn't do research [07:26] schestowitz it's a marketing stunt [07:26] vmg3 seems they are being muzzled now [07:26] schestowitz for tax breaks, too [07:26] Ariadne they do have an R&D subsidiary [07:26] schestowitz yes, tax scam [07:26] schestowitz other companies do the same [07:26] schestowitz they also make 'local' subsidiaries [07:26] schestowitz to get to pretend to be worthy of access to data and stuff [07:26] vmg3 thier tenticals spread far, but mostly for $ [07:26] schestowitz Ariadne: if it's Microsoft, tell them no [07:26] schestowitz it's a classic modus [07:27] schestowitz they look for ways to undermine critics [07:27] schestowitz and then allocate money to the muzzling [07:27] Ariadne my heart wants to, but my bank account says something else [07:27] schestowitz They did this to raspi this yeat [07:27] schestowitz Ariadne: they're not in it for the tech [07:27] schestowitz but for the censorship [07:27] schestowitz it's an old modus [07:27] schestowitz and you can work elsewhere [07:27] schestowitz even if for less [07:27] Ariadne easy for you to say :D [07:28] schestowitz they're not in it for anything other than control and that means muzzling critics [07:28] vmg3 control is another issue [07:28] schestowitz they tried it on our company also [07:28] schestowitz boss pushed back [07:28] Ariadne well, i have other possibilities [07:28] Ariadne i am still thinking about what to do [07:28] vmg3 governments to, they lap it up [07:28] schestowitz Ariadne: go for the other option [07:29] schestowitz I can tell you on the record stuff Microsoft tried to kill techrights [07:29] schestowitz or to cause me to lose the site/job [07:29] Ariadne the team i used to work for got absorbed into IBM and SAP [07:29] schestowitz it's no secret you host techrights [07:29] schestowitz they know you do [07:30] schestowitz Microsoft does "BI" [07:30] schestowitz and finds connections [07:30] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_Retribution_against_individuals_and_organisations [07:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Retribution against individuals and organisations - Techrights [07:31] vmg3 the things that all big organisations do behind closed doors to, to protect their image rather than deliver goods it's all coming to the fore now [07:31] Ariadne yes, they are well aware that i am one of the principle owners of the entity that controls AS398493, which hosts techrights [07:31] schestowitz Microsoft: we cannot sue this guy [07:31] schestowitz but we have money [07:31] schestowitz there's a way [07:31] schestowitz there's always a way [07:31] schestowitz Bill Gates tried this also [07:31] schestowitz personally [07:31] schestowitz not just Microsoft "UK" [07:31] schestowitz http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/01/24/Mixup [07:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring. [07:31] Ariadne microsoft is so strange [07:31] schestowitz "[Disclosure/Historical footnote: Those with long memories might suggest a parallel between Ricks position and mine when in 1997, I was sitting on the XML Working Group and co-editing the spec, on a pro bono basis as an indie consultant. Netscape hired me to represent their interests, and when I announced this, controversy ensued. Which is a nice way of saying that Microsoft went berserk; tried unsuccessfully to get me fired as co- [07:31] schestowitz editor, and then launched a vicious, deeply personal extended attack in which they tried to destroy my career and took lethal action against a small struggling company because my wife worked there. It was a sideshow of a sideshow of the great campaign to bury Netscape and Im sure the executives have forgotten; but I havent. Anyhow, I thought I had to point that out first before somebody else dredged it up, but I totally dont [07:31] schestowitz think Ricks status played in this story and Im also 100% confident of his integrity.]" [07:32] schestowitz Ariadne: I want you to understand what they might be REALLY after [07:32] Ariadne after i finished my bachelor's degree, they tried to recruit me directly into a management position [07:32] schestowitz they've been trying to use money to silence us for ages [07:32] Ariadne schestowitz: they might be really after a lot of things, who knows [07:32] Ariadne i just found it funny that i got an offer [07:33] schestowitz you should reject it [07:33] schestowitz they are attacking software freedom [07:33] vmg3 personal freedoms to [07:33] schestowitz Microsoft laid off many people last year [07:33] schestowitz even came to this channel for damage limitation [07:33] schestowitz spinning the layoffs [07:34] schestowitz inc. Azure layoffs [07:34] Ariadne i don't really think microsoft at this point is actively attacking software freedom [07:34] schestowitz Ariadne: there are almost certainly some ulterior motives [07:34] Ariadne in the past, absolutely [07:34] schestowitz they don't just wake up in the morning and randomly decide to hire people at random [07:34] Ariadne i think they have new strategy: monetize software freedom [07:34] schestowitz Ariadne: it is still attacking it [07:34] schestowitz very strongly [07:34] Ariadne schestowitz: they've been trying to hire me for 15 years ;) [07:35] schestowitz part of that it trying to poach people [07:35] schestowitz look what they did to rapi [07:35] schestowitz Ariadne: ok, so say no [07:35] schestowitz you're skilled [07:35] schestowitz you can get a job elsewhere [07:35] schestowitz [07:34] i think they have new strategy: monetize software freedom [07:35] schestowitz it does not work like that [07:35] schestowitz because money does not come from freeing people [07:35] schestowitz but from oppressing them [07:35] Ariadne sure [07:35] mjg59 Large tech companies desperately want to hire people with a free software background because they know that they need to work well in the free software space to remain competitive these days [07:35] schestowitz lock-in, control, extraction [07:36] mjg59 The ulterior motive here is that they want to continue making money [07:36] schestowitz Azure is anti-freedom [07:36] schestowitz (AWS is too, to a degree) [07:36] Ariadne yes, literally the first offer i got from microsoft 15 years ago was basically "help them understand how to become a FOSS company" [07:36] Ariadne they wound up hiring daniel robbins from gentoo instead [07:36] schestowitz after Halloween Documents [07:36] schestowitz the goal isn't to become free [07:36] schestowitz but to shut it off [07:36] schestowitz while pretending there's "love" [07:36] schestowitz not a new routine [07:36] schestowitz they did this in the 90s [07:36] mjg59 They failed to prevent free software from gaining a foothold [07:37] schestowitz [07:36] they wound up hiring daniel robbins from gentoo instead [07:37] schestowitz and he left quikcly [07:37] vmg3 They know how to opensourse [07:37] schestowitz hated port 25 [07:37] Ariadne he left after a few years [07:37] schestowitz also Wim [07:37] vmg3 s/source/sourse [07:37] schestowitz left Microsoft quickly [07:37] mjg59 They also failed to retain the OS as a strong distinguishing feature [07:37] schestowitz after the damage had been done [07:38] mjg59 Products like Office 365 are where Microsoft can still make meaningful money, and they make more money the more platforms that's available on [07:38] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.48 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 39.03 swarm size (avg): 135.26 [07:39] Ariadne anyway i do not know what i will do yet [07:39] mjg59 I don't think Microsoft is idealogically in favour of free software - if it became finanically favourable to reject it again, I suspect they would [07:39] Ariadne i am evaluating options [07:39] mjg59 But I doubt that it will become financially favourable to do that, so I doubt they will [07:39] vmg3 shareholders would revolt [07:39] schestowitz Ariadne: OK, you know our position though [07:39] Ariadne mjg59: customers expect software freedom at this point [07:40] schestowitz they can make it harder for us to publish Microsoft leaks [07:40] mjg59 There's been a meaningful shift. This generation of developers has grown up with free software. They're familiar with Linux. [07:40] schestowitz and can use pressure on you to suppress past publications [07:40] vmg3 buy thme [07:40] vmg3 *them [07:40] Ariadne schestowitz: if i were to take the offer, i would ensure that AS398493's operational decision making does not include me, and therefore they couldn't pressure me to do shit [07:40] schestowitz there is always a way [07:41] schestowitz for them to pressure people [07:41] schestowitz they did this before [07:41] schestowitz several times [07:41] schestowitz I saw it, I was told that [07:41] schestowitz they're not a nice company [07:41] schestowitz sociopaths run it [07:41] schestowitz and they target other people like you at the moment [07:41] Ariadne if the operation is disconnected from me, then i would have no input into how it operates [07:42] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/02/21/raspberry-pi-and-a-plan/ [07:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Inside Part II: Microsoft Has Plans for the Raspberry Pi or Linux SBCs in General (and It Hides Its Role in That) | Techrights [07:42] Ariadne and my partner in running that ISP is a debian developer and staunch FSF supporter [07:42] Ariadne sooooo [07:42] schestowitz they try to brain-drain the competition [07:42] schestowitz like raspi and stuff [07:42] schestowitz and look what they did to Intel: http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [07:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [07:42] Ariadne brain draining a company like intel does not sound bad to me [07:43] Ariadne i hope they brain drain intel all the way to bankruptcy court [07:43] schestowitz Ariadne: but those are just ways of justifying taking Microsoft money [07:43] schestowitz and having to appease them to get the next salary... and the next [07:43] Ariadne x86 is the largest threat to software freedom [07:43] schestowitz ir's hardware [07:43] Ariadne yeah [07:43] Ariadne and when the hardware is broken [07:43] Ariadne so is the software [07:43] schestowitz Microsoft has plans [07:44] schestowitz software freedom is NOT in those [07:44] schestowitz Taking over groups is [07:44] schestowitz to undermine them [07:44] schestowitz like LF [07:44] Ariadne is software freedom in any company's plans? [07:44] schestowitz then outsource projects to GitHub [07:44] schestowitz GitHub is an ATTACK on software freedom [07:44] Ariadne is software freedom in redhat's plans? [07:44] schestowitz no, but to some degree [07:44] schestowitz IBM [07:44] schestowitz IBM does not go out of its way to crush SF [07:45] schestowitz except indirectly, e.g. patent lobbying [07:45] schestowitz there's a difference between not caring [07:45] schestowitz and actively working to undermine something [07:45] schestowitz if Linux was a company, Microsoft would find a way to crush it [07:45] schestowitz Ballmer said so himself [07:45] schestowitz out loud [07:45] schestowitz but they try to map who promotes the competition [07:45] schestowitz that kills off Microsoft [07:46] Ariadne last time i checked he does not work for microsoft any longer [07:46] schestowitz 5000 or so Microsoft layoffs last year [07:46] schestowitz Check the company's history (I have) [07:46] schestowitz See what they did to Borland [07:46] schestowitz they make a list of who to buy off [07:46] schestowitz and then they can crush people in their "list" [07:46] schestowitz Ariadne: there are even worse people at Microsoft [07:46] schestowitz like those who bossed Ballmer [07:47] Ariadne how do you 'boss' a chief executive [07:47] schestowitz Ballmer is just not good at presenting [07:47] schestowitz Board [07:47] schestowitz Board can fire CEO [07:47] Ariadne sure [07:47] schestowitz shareholders pressure the board [07:47] schestowitz shareholders wanted Ballmer out [07:47] Ariadne they fired ballmer and installed the person who started maemo [07:47] schestowitz bettet facade [07:47] Ariadne so maybe the board wants software freedom [07:47] schestowitz suits their agenda [07:48] schestowitz no, the board wants money [07:48] Ariadne right [07:48] schestowitz money comes from taking away freedom [07:48] Ariadne but they see that software freedom = revenue [07:48] schestowitz that's seemingly weird, but it's truee [07:48] schestowitz no [07:48] schestowitz they see that undermining that freedom from the inside begets control [07:48] schestowitz like [07:48] schestowitz intrude LF [07:48] schestowitz then use that intrusion [07:48] schestowitz to divert projects aWAY from freedom [07:48] schestowitz e.g. github [07:48] schestowitz they did that in ASF [07:48] schestowitz techrights.org/2019/04/29/asf-prisoner-of-microsoft/ [07:49] schestowitz and then grabbed all the project except apacheserver [07:49] schestowitz moved them to proprietary software [07:49] schestowitz did the same to python btw [07:49] Ariadne ? [07:49] schestowitz and then paid loads of money to van icaza [sic] [07:49] Ariadne python self-hosts their own git [07:49] schestowitz to use that for Azure and VS marketing [07:49] Ariadne er, hg [07:50] schestowitz lots of python stuff is outsourced to Microsoft and they enter boards [07:50] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Python [07:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Python - Techrights [07:52] Ariadne :D [07:53] vmg3 politics of the net is so much like countries [07:54] vmg3 damn communist software [07:55] schestowitz it's not even that analogy first and foremost [07:55] schestowitz there's a movement to oppress [07:55] schestowitz and reaction to it [07:55] schestowitz in the digital realm [07:55] vmg3 our way is best [07:55] schestowitz the oppressor looks for ways to thwart that opposition [07:55] schestowitz "In Guthrie's opposition to fascism, he conceptualized the ideology "as a form of economic exploitation similar to slavery", straightforwardly denouncing the fascists particularly their leaders as a group of gangsters" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_machine_kills_fascists [07:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | This machine kills fascists - Wikipedia [07:55] vmg3 send in the spys [07:55] schestowitz not we have tech gangsters [07:55] schestowitz IBM, Microsoft [07:55] schestowitz GOogle also [07:55] schestowitz they want to get their way [07:56] schestowitz Google also scatters money everywhere [07:56] schestowitz with strings attached [07:56] schestowitz it's about coercion, control [07:56] Ariadne microsoft has less strings [07:56] schestowitz so we need to pick sides [07:56] schestowitz Microsoft is pro-WIndows [07:56] schestowitz and that's a problem for us [07:56] schestowitz it tells us use Windows [07:56] schestowitz we have an "open source" calculator [07:57] schestowitz we have telemetry everywhere too... and back doors [07:57] schestowitz not they seem to be attacking Linux to distract from Exchange blunder [07:57] schestowitz I see reports about "China... malware... Linux" [07:57] schestowitz might be an ongoing Googlebombing campaign [07:57] schestowitz "commie linux is bad... stay with Exchange" [07:57] Ariadne linux does have worms [07:57] Ariadne there are worms that even target alpine [07:57] schestowitz but the timing... [07:58] schestowitz Exchange blunder is nothing like this [07:58] schestowitz those worms typically require some tech mistakes to be made [07:58] Ariadne ok? [07:58] schestowitz rogue packages, bad passwords... [07:58] Ariadne i've seen a lot of coverage of the exchange blunder [07:58] Ariadne i'm not convinced that microsoft is puppeting the media [07:59] vmg3 they tried to manicure in the begining [07:59] schestowitz it's not too improbbale [07:59] vmg3 now it's snowballing [07:59] schestowitz [07:59] schestowitz oops [07:59] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148671#comment-28568 [07:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Tactics | Tux Machines [07:59] schestowitz [07:58] i'm not convinced that microsoft is puppeting the media\ [07:59] schestowitz it always does, to some degree [07:59] schestowitz it has operatives in the meda ● Mar 11 [08:00] schestowitz question is, is this one too an example of just a coincidence? [08:00] schestowitz saying Microsoft (or IBM etc.) doesn't have a grip on the media is crazy... [08:00] Ariadne influence, sure [08:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_PR_Agencies [08:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft PR Agencies - Techrights [08:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/AstroTurfing [08:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | AstroTurfing - Techrights [08:00] schestowitz influence and grip more of the same [08:01] schestowitz they can compel publishers to rmove things [08:01] schestowitz bill gates has already done that to some publishers [08:01] schestowitz pass money [08:01] schestowitz and they remove stories about him and microsoft [08:01] schestowitz example: crosscut [08:02] Ariadne anyway [08:02] Ariadne eating is nice [08:02] schestowitz you can eat without working for Microsoft :-) [08:03] schestowitz food is not too expensive [08:04] schestowitz Ariadne: we have a new Microsoft/EPO leak this week [08:04] schestowitz I will start publishing today [08:05] schestowitz It is a big scandal [08:06] schestowitz It is a 15-part series [08:06] Ariadne i mean, it does not really matter [08:06] Ariadne i have specific requirements for accepting a contract [08:07] Ariadne aka: i get to do whatever the fuck i want on my own time [08:07] schestowitz But they have control over you [08:07] Ariadne so that pretty much autokills GAFAM [08:07] schestowitz through salary [08:07] schestowitz I will publish evidence of EPO and Microsoft corruption [08:08] schestowitz starting today [08:09] Ariadne FOSS leader DistroTube now becoming SPIRITUAL ADVISOR [08:11] Ariadne schestowitz: i'm probably going to work for a startup that is in the alpine community that is doing IoT stuff with alpine [08:11] Ariadne so you do not have to worry :P [08:11] schestowitz that would be good [08:12] schestowitz Ariadne: thanks! [08:12] schestowitz I appreciate the sincerity [08:12] schestowitz bear in mind they keep doing this to people around me [08:12] schestowitz and it later turns out what the true motivations are [08:12] schestowitz I can think of 3 examples [08:12] schestowitz 3 people [08:12] Ariadne microsoft has been offering me a job since before i ever even heard of you [08:13] schestowitz techrights turns 15 this year [08:13] schestowitz we're really independent [08:13] schestowitz and it's essential to remain like that [08:13] Ariadne and the reason why is because i was doing work with dotGNU and Mono and Debian [08:13] schestowitz no fear of publishing what's true, on any subject [08:13] schestowitz EPO/Microsoft leaks start today [08:13] schestowitz for the next two weeks [08:13] schestowitz can have a big impact [08:14] Ariadne so i mean, given that, it makes sense why they would approach me for the job that robbins ultimately took [08:14] schestowitz robbins never recovered [08:14] schestowitz people did not view him the same way [08:14] schestowitz so then came funtoo [08:17] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:17] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:19] vmg3 Verkada breach hits Australia https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-03-11/verkada-hackers-gained-access-to-australian-surveillance-cameras/13237820 [08:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abc.net.au | Hackers say they've gained access to surveillance cameras in Australian childcare centres, schools and aged care - ABC News [08:19] schestowitz "hackers" [08:19] schestowitz must be some very good coders [08:19] schestowitz but malicious [08:20] vmg3 buzz words and kids [08:20] schestowitz crackers [08:21] schestowitz Microsoft is not assigning "trolls" to us [08:21] vmg3 they want to introduce more "laws" to make us safer the Terror words come soon after [08:21] schestowitz who disclosue they work for Microsoft, e.g. in SN [08:21] schestowitz to respond to our raspi exclusive stories [08:21] schestowitz it's us who broke the story [08:21] schestowitz and they still try to recover from it [08:21] schestowitz So Microsoft 'employees' "park" on comments [08:22] vmg3 to big to fail [08:25] schestowitz My LEDs stopped working for ipfs [08:25] schestowitz odd [08:25] schestowitz I will check that later [08:25] schestowitz we have some big story coming up later in the afternoon [08:25] schestowitz got some memes ready, too [08:25] vmg3 you'll keep me up late again :D [08:25] schestowitz and lots and lots of docs [08:25] schestowitz vmg3: ah, well, could use your help too [08:25] schestowitz we need to build a network of people aroudn that stuff [08:26] schestowitz I'll start posting links in a bit [08:26] schestowitz when I'm off shift [08:26] vmg3 I am pumping ipfs add every cid [08:26] vmg3 just tell me what you want [08:28] vmg3 most of the people i know think i'm over reacting but not that polite [08:29] Ariadne [01:14:52] so then came funtoo [08:29] Ariadne thats not why funtoo happened [08:29] Ariadne gentoo community had little respect for robbins prior to MS gig [08:29] schestowitz aha [08:30] schestowitz anyway, microsoft vs starvation is a false dichotomy [08:30] schestowitz you are smart and can pull off your owns startup [08:30] schestowitz I receive a very small salary, enough for more than just food [08:30] schestowitz freedom is more valuable [08:31] schestowitz EPO attacks freedom [08:31] schestowitz now it uses Microsoft to crush the staff [08:31] schestowitz and break the law [08:31] schestowitz pay attention to our upcoming series [08:31] schestowitz EPO staff is furious [08:32] vmg3 a real life community will never let someone starve [08:32] vmg3 freeze maybe [08:35] vmg3 I cookin back soon [08:37] Ariadne i'll just sell free software developer bath water on twitter [08:37] Ariadne thx 4 idea [08:38] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 55.55 swarm size (avg): 135.44 [08:40] schestowitz "Better be ready for a massive DDOS onslaught if you publish ... :-)" [08:40] schestowitz Source said so [08:40] schestowitz 20 minutes ago [08:41] schestowitz I wonder about the timing of all this [08:41] schestowitz some of the comms is not encrypted [08:41] Ariadne 'DDOS' [08:41] schestowitz happend before [08:41] schestowitz after EPO publications [08:41] Ariadne the only reason the site goes down is because it is built on crappy technology [08:42] Ariadne like wordpress [08:42] Ariadne and drupal [08:42] Ariadne and mediawiki [08:42] Ariadne and mysql [08:42] Ariadne what you should do is convert the site to be built from something like jekyll [08:42] Ariadne and then it can be all html [08:43] Ariadne then you can put it in a git repo [08:43] Ariadne and have numerous mirrors in round robin [08:43] schestowitz yeah [08:43] schestowitz thanks for improving performance [08:43] schestowitz but ddos is still ddos [08:44] schestowitz whether you can handle it is another question [08:44] schestowitz when we published lots of croatia stuff the ddos got pretty intense [08:44] Ariadne the network can handle it [08:45] *AVRS (~AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS) has joined #techrights [08:45] Ariadne also if everything is pre-generated [08:46] Ariadne having multiple mirrors helps you to have more resilience against ddos attacks [08:46] Ariadne as you can literally distribute the whole site in ipfs [08:48] schestowitz yes [08:48] schestowitz but logistically we don't yet have that need [08:48] schestowitz the person who warns of DDOS isn't a crank [08:48] schestowitz very reliable source [08:49] Ariadne if there has ever been a ddos it has never been detected by the network monitoring [08:49] Ariadne so if there is one, please let me know [08:49] Ariadne i would like to dig into it [08:50] Ariadne i figure it is just some jackass who figured out that your site is built on crappy php + mysql software [08:50] schestowitz cheers, Ariadne [08:50] Ariadne but in the 3 years of hosting techrights, there has never been any noticeable volumetric flood [08:51] mjg59 Yeah, 15kqps is really not something that needs to be terribly distributed [08:51] schestowitz it predates that [08:51] schestowitz tessier can tell... [08:55] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [08:55] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [08:56] Ariadne like i said i'm skeptical that techrights has ever been ddosed [08:56] Ariadne there are websites on my network which frequently receive ddos, related to eSports [08:56] Ariadne and the network monitoring reliably detects those events [08:56] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:58] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:59] Ariadne i can only comment on the past 3 years though [08:59] Ariadne perhaps techrights received a volumetric flood in the past. ● Mar 11 [09:02] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/irc-log-100321/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/irc-log-100321/ [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 | Techrights [09:03] techrights-bot The machine gun experience https://hugelolcdn.com/v/734530.mp4 [09:03] techrights-bot #Microsoft #Windows #Containers Privilege Escalation Packet Storm https://packetstormsecurity.com/files/161734/GS20210310152945.txt [09:03] *AVRS has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:03] techrights-bot Feels like distraction http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148671#comment-28568 see http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 504 @ https://packetstormsecurity.com/files/161734/GS20210310152945.txt ) [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Tactics | Tux Machines [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [09:04] techrights-bot #geminiProtocol for lightweight things that don't need a Web browser https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006049.html [09:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [users] Gemini as a local note-taking / personal wiki thing? [09:05] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, March 10, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [09:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [09:05] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [09:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [09:06] *AVRS (~AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS) has joined #techrights [09:07] Ariadne schestowitz: i need to be precisely clear on how overbuilt the network is [09:09] Ariadne https://ariadne.space/.well-known/jejune/upload/b87928cd-247d-4099-88b9-6f357fecba54.png [09:09] Ariadne we have 80gbps of transit and an additional 50gbps of peering [09:09] Ariadne and we are pushing 150mbps 95th% [09:09] Ariadne so yes [09:09] Ariadne if techrights gets 'DDOSed' it will be fine [09:10] Ariadne assuming they do not exceed 80gbps [09:10] techrights-bot Pushing #softwarepatents again using the guise of "HEY HI" https://www.worldipreview.com/news/the-do-s-and-don-ts-of-patenting-ai-21125 #swpats #epo #corruption #wipr [09:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldipreview.com | The dos and donts of patenting AI [09:10] techrights-bot #patent #scams for #taxevasion (not a new trick): German Withholding Taxes on Extraterritorial Royalty PaymentsRecent Developments https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report-international/german-withholding-taxes-on-extraterritorial-royalty-payments-recent-developments [09:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.bloombergtax.com | NO TITLE [09:11] techrights-bot #samsung brags about #5g #patents from the #epo ... many are #swpats that are not legal https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-extends-leadership-in-5g-patents [09:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.samsung.com | Samsung Extends Leadership in 5G Patents Samsung Global Newsroom [09:12] schestowitz Ariadne: sorry, was away [09:12] schestowitz also did handover at work [09:12] schestowitz 9am [09:12] schestowitz [08:59] perhaps techrights received a volumetric flood in the past. [09:12] schestowitz 2015 ish and 2009 ish [09:13] schestowitz bbiab [09:13] schestowitz Ariadne: I am overwhelmed by things this morning [09:13] schestowitz aside from that Microsoft thing [09:13] schestowitz trying to keep focus, there's also a series we do about patent trolls by proxy [09:13] schestowitz part 2 later today [09:14] Ariadne anyway the way to improve techrights resilience at this point is to use more efficient software [09:14] schestowitz I've not even checked my email yet (no time) [09:14] schestowitz Ariadne: I agree [09:14] schestowitz I was reminded today we need to upgrade [09:14] schestowitz and move to passwordless logins [09:14] schestowitz key only [09:14] Ariadne but i think almost all 'DDOS' events are actually layer 7 attacks [09:14] schestowitz tessier had us on 2fa, key+password [09:14] schestowitz Ariadne: the ddos against us was in the press, too [09:15] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148682 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:15] techrights-bot Why you should have #VPN on your GNU/Linux machine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148684 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why you should have VPN on your Linux machine | Tux Machines [09:16] Ariadne anyway there are plans to finish upgrade to 400gbps ring [09:16] techrights-bot #7Zip 21.0 alpha introduces native Linux support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148683 [09:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7-Zip 21.0 alpha introduces native Linux support | Tux Machines [09:16] Ariadne at which point we will have 400gbps of transit + 410gbps of peering [09:16] Ariadne but 100g LR optics are expensive [09:16] techrights-bot Test cases and #freesw license enforcement http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148685 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Test cases and open source license enforcement | Tux Machines [09:16] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148686 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [09:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:17] techrights-bot #TUXEDOComputers Launches First Linux Gaming Laptops with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3000 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148687 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO Computers Launches First Linux Gaming Laptops with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3000 | Tux Machines [09:27] techrights-bot Latest package builds for #PCLinuxOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147392#comment-28570 #gnu #linux [09:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distribution Release: PCLinuxOS 2021.02 | Tux Machines [09:29] techrights-bot #microsoft is trolling #linux #security https://linuxreviews.org/Microsoft_Proposes_Unprivileged_Chroot_On_Linux [09:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Microsoft Proposes Unprivileged Chroot On Linux - LinuxReviews [09:34] techrights-bot Working with the beaker command line | Adam Youngs Web Log http://adam.younglogic.com/2021/03/beaker-cli/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/11/#latest [09:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-adam.younglogic.com | Working with the beaker command line | Adam Youngs Web Log [09:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [09:35] techrights-bot #raspberrySPY should not be use in a home with kids, it's a spying device https://opensource.com/article/21/3/raspberry-pi-parental-control see http://techrights.org/2021/03/06/raspberry-spy-blunder/ [09:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Set up network parental controls on a Raspberry Pi | Opensource.com [09:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why the Raspberry Spy Blunder is a Lot More Serious and Profound Than the Corporate Media is Willing to Acknowledge | Techrights [09:37] techrights-bot Eww. #kodi with malicious #drm https://www.maketecheasier.com/watch-disney-plus-on-kodi/ [09:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Watch Disney+ on Kodi - Make Tech Easier [09:40] techrights-bot #microsoft boosters support centralisation and #monopolisation of Linux trust http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28571 #fakesecurity #monopoly [09:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines [09:45] techrights-bot #BSDNow : "Lessons learned from a 27 years old UNIX book, Finally dRAID, Setting up a Signal Proxy using FreeBSD, Annotate your PDF files on OpenBSD, Things You Should Do Now, Just: More unixy than Make, and more" https://www.bsdnow.tv/393 [09:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 393: ZFS dRAID [09:46] techrights-bot #SystemRescue 8.01 is out. https://www.system-rescue.org/ #gnu #linux [09:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.system-rescue.org | SystemRescue - System Rescue Homepage [09:47] techrights-bot #MediaGoblin 0.11.0: Punky Magmalian http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148688 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MediaGoblin 0.11.0: Punky Magmalian | Tux Machines [09:47] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148689 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [09:48] techrights-bot #youtubedlgui A Cross-Platform GUI for #youtubedl http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148690 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | youtube-dl-gui A Cross-Platform GUI for youtube-dl | Tux Machines [09:57] techrights-bot I am guessing #linux9to5 will soon write something about the bugfix release that's #SystemRescue 8.01 [09:58] techrights-bot #LinuxGizmos ought not do puff pieces for #microsoft or its long-loyal base of reader will walk away... #surveilance #espionage #spying [09:59] techrights-bot It's difficult to fool #freesw and #gnu #linux users. They can see and even smell paid-for fluff from a mile away. And they're opinionated enough to do something about it... ● Mar 11 [10:00] techrights-bot #Audiocasts /Shows: #BSDNow , Coder Radio, and The Linux Link Tech Show ( #TLLTS ) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148691 #GNU #Linux [10:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: BSDNow, Coder Radio, and The Linux Link Tech Show (TLLTS) | Tux Machines [10:00] techrights-bot More #Microsoft #Security Incidents, and Microsoft Lectures Linux on Security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148692 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Microsoft Security Incidents, and Microsoft Lectures Linux on Security | Tux Machines [10:01] techrights-bot #techrights has some very big (and exclusive) stories coming today... [10:03] techrights-bot How dare vicious corporations hijack #feminism and now claim landslide victory (at the expense of women who fought and died to emancipate themselves from those same corporations, which used them as low-cost/no-cost labour)? [10:05] techrights-bot #patents were never meant to be granted on life and on nature, but this is what happens when corruption, #lobbying and all sorts of #bribery change the #law https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/ptab-sets-preliminary-motions-in-broad-v-toolgen-interference.html [10:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: PTAB Sets Preliminary Motions in Broad v. ToolGen Interference [10:06] techrights-bot "The Register covers compound patents including small and large molecules" Maybe focus on trying to save lives instead of trying to 'save' (enrich) patent monopolies that deny access to medicines https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/news-from-abroad-eurasian-patent-office-launches-its-pharmaceutical-register.html [10:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: News from Abroad: Eurasian Patent Office Launches Its Pharmaceutical Register [10:22] techrights-bot NEWS #ITWire #OVHclown data centre in #Strasbourg destroyed in fire https://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/data-centres/ovhcloud-data-centre-in-strasbourg-destroyed-in-fire.html [10:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - OVHcloud data centre in Strasbourg destroyed in fire [10:23] techrights-bot NEWS #DataCenterDynamics #OVH #clowncomputing #OVHclown Fire destroys OVHCloud's SBG2 data center in Strasbourg https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/fire-destroys-ovhclouds-sbg2-data-center-strasbourg/ [10:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datacenterdynamics.com | Fire destroys OVHCloud's SBG2 data center in Strasbourg - DCD [10:25] schestowitz > Ouch ! Let's hope they don't succeed. [10:25] schestowitz > It's your call on whether or not to publish the EPO stuff. [10:25] schestowitz > For sure it will provoke some kind of backlash both from EPO management [10:25] schestowitz > and MS. [10:25] schestowitz > Anyway the information is free for you to to use whatever way you see fit. [10:25] schestowitz > [10:25] schestowitz > We are hoping that some public figures interested in data protection - [10:25] schestowitz > such as MEPs like Patrick Breyer or privacy advocates like Max Schrems - [10:25] schestowitz > might get interested in the case so that it gets some traction in the [10:25] schestowitz > public domain. [10:25] schestowitz (re EPO series we work on) [10:30] schestowitz >>> Better be ready for a massive DDOS onslaught if you publish ... :-) [10:35] psydroid let the DDOS get unleashed :) [10:38] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [10:38] schestowitz psydroid: well, maybe it's overstated in this case [10:38] schestowitz time will tell [10:39] schestowitz in 2015 it got rather horrendous [10:39] schestowitz in 2008/9 we were down non-stop for days [10:39] schestowitz I've just passed copies of all the material to another person, an assoc. [10:39] schestowitz just in case [10:39] psydroid schestowitz: I read part of your conversation this morning and it looks like Ariadne has a point [10:40] schestowitz re CMS [10:40] schestowitz yes [10:40] schestowitz I agree [10:40] schestowitz with gemini for example we could serve half a million reqs a day [10:40] schestowitz from a home network [10:40] schestowitz (to spiders) [10:41] psydroid putting everything on IPFS would also be a good idea apart from many gemini servers across the world (maybe doing both on the same system) [10:42] psydroid I would do it at least, I am just waiting for some newer hardware to become available [10:49] schestowitz not enough PINS [10:50] schestowitz I added some to vmg3 Orange Pi [10:50] schestowitz but he took that offline [10:50] vmg3 i added all to my main box [10:50] schestowitz aha! [10:50] schestowitz thanks [10:51] schestowitz anyway, am working on the series primer at the moment [10:51] schestowitz not much details in it, merely an intro [10:52] vmg3 waiting patiently [10:53] schestowitz the 'beef' will coming hours later [10:53] schestowitz *be coming [10:53] vmg3 i think the ipfs was too much for the orangepi's small ram i think ive figured out something for gemini for it [10:53] *aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:54] vmg3 brb [10:54] *vmg3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:56] *vmg3 (~parker@103.192.80.36) has joined #techrights [10:56] *vmg3 has quit (Client Quit) [10:56] *vmg3 (~parker@144.48.37.4) has joined #techrights ● Mar 11 [11:00] techrights-bot #EPO and #Microsoft Collude to Break the #Law - Primer http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/epo-and-microsoft-scandal/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/epo-and-microsoft-scandal/ [11:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Primer | Techrights [11:08] psydroid yes, I expect to buy some beefier SBC and put IPFS on that [11:08] psydroid after a year or two something new will appear and I will upgrade to that while keeping cost down [11:11] techrights-bot Meme: #EPO Sells Out Its Digital Sovereignty to #Microsoft http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/nadella-meets-the-president/ #Techrights #privacy #surveillance gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/nadella-meets-the-president/ [11:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meme: EPO Sells Out Its Digital Sovereignty to Microsoft | Techrights [11:13] *koo5 (~koo5@37-48-62-5.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [11:14] schestowitz psydroid: cool [11:25] *AVRS has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [11:28] *AVRS (~AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS) has joined #techrights [11:33] techrights-bot NEWS #Futurism #PseudoScience #Microsoft Retracts Paper Claiming Quantum Computing Breakthrough https://futurism.com/microsoft-retracts-paper-claiming-quantum-computing-breakthrough [11:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-futurism.com | Microsoft Retracts Paper Claiming Quantum Computing Breakthrough [11:33] techrights-bot NEWS #BBC #PseudoScience #Microsoft team retracts quantum 'breakthrough https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56328980 [11:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft-led team retracts quantum 'breakthrough' - BBC News [11:34] techrights-bot #billgates : I BRIBE #science publishers to publish for me. http://techrights.org/2011/01/10/lancet-gates-exxon-mobil/ http://techrights.org/2011/01/10/lancet-gates-exxon-mobil/ [11:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Pays the Lancet Journal Now Distorts Academic Literature Too | Techrights [11:35] techrights-bot #lancet JUST BEFORE being BRIBED by #billgates http://techrights.org/2010/09/07/simon-chapman-on-gates-slim/ [11:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Worlds Leading Medical Journal (The Lancet) Slams Bill Gates for Supporting Tobacco Industry | Techrights [11:38] techrights-bot #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware Peter Dutton launches Cyber Security Industry Advisory Committee #Ransomware Paper https://itwire.com/government-tech-policy/peter-dutton-launches-cyber-security-industry-advisory-committee-ransomware-paper.html this kills: http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [11:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Peter Dutton launches Cyber Security Industry Advisory Committee Ransomware Paper [11:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [11:46] psydroid it's already really damaging to your reputation as an academic institution to have a professor from Microsoft at your university [11:46] psydroid also this article getting published without any prior peer reviews gives you something to wonder about the journal it was published in [11:46] schestowitz yup [11:46] schestowitz Microsoft 'research' [11:46] schestowitz PR stunts [11:47] schestowitz Microsoft bribes professors to recommend Microsoft to students [11:47] schestowitz it was in the press in the 90s [11:47] schestowitz hugely unethical company [11:47] schestowitz corrupts scholars [11:47] schestowitz muddies the pool [11:48] schestowitz I saw many things ovet the years [11:48] schestowitz like what they did to our faculty [11:48] schestowitz our Debian supercomputer [11:48] schestowitz back room deal [11:48] schestowitz I should write about it one day, but I forgot some of the pertinent details [11:48] schestowitz Microsoft = corruption [11:48] schestowitz everything I saw firsthand confirmed this [11:49] psydroid the only reason our university's network hasn't gone down in flames is that there are some people who know their stuff and run critical infrastructure on GNU/Linux, mainly Debian [11:52] schestowitz brb [11:56] techrights-bot #Microsoft # Windows TCO : #CyberScoop #ProprietarySoftware Is Congress finally ready to pass meaningful #ransomware legislation? https://www.cyberscoop.com/congress-ransomware-hackers-hospitals-law-2021/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [11:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is Congress finally ready to pass meaningful ransomware legislation? - CyberScoop [11:56] techrights-bot NEWS #CyberScoop #ProprietarySoftware Spanish labor agency suffers ransomware attack, union says https://www.cyberscoop.com/spain-ransomware-employment-agency-sepe/ [11:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Spanish labor agency suffers ransomware attack, union says - CyberScoop [11:56] techrights-bot NEWS #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware Federal agencies warn Microsoft vulnerabilities pose 'serious risk' to government, private sector https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/542635-federal-agencies-warn-microsoft-vulnerabilities-pose-serious-risk-to [11:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Federal agencies warn Microsoft vulnerabilities pose 'serious risk' to government, private sector | TheHill ● Mar 11 [12:07] schestowitz psydroid: do you have our latest CIDs pinned? [12:07] schestowitz I've just turned off ipfs at home for a bit [12:08] schestowitz it was taking up about 4Mbits a second [12:08] schestowitz and then I could not access the CIDs [12:08] schestowitz so I think we def. need more pins with quick updates [12:08] schestowitz Ariadne: the concern is not just ddos [12:08] schestowitz remember that sent legal gangsters after me [12:08] schestowitz several law firms [12:09] schestowitz there are also financial aspects [12:09] schestowitz like trying to bribe my boss [12:09] schestowitz and social engineering aspects [12:09] schestowitz like sending out trolls to demonise, spy, distract [12:09] schestowitz the ddos can be a mental one [12:09] schestowitz inducing fear and 'cold feet' [12:09] schestowitz "should I publish this thing??" [12:10] schestowitz "what would happen if..?" [12:10] schestowitz this series has grown, will have 20 parts just for the text [12:10] schestowitz plus many videos [12:10] schestowitz so many 30 in total [12:10] vmg3 for some reason it's using much more ram my end 4Gig [12:10] schestowitz and it extends to broader issues, inc. the value of privacy [12:10] schestowitz and threat of espionage by corporations [12:11] schestowitz like corporations that figure out who I'm friends with, who bosses me (for my livelihood, my food)... [12:11] schestowitz vmg3: how much? [12:11] vmg3 4 gig [12:11] schestowitz ipfs takes very little ram [12:11] schestowitz just 4% of my ram [12:11] vmg3 well its using it [12:12] schestowitz cpu and b/w intensive is what it is [12:12] vmg3 only %7 cpu [12:12] schestowitz but you can tame b/w [12:12] vmg3 not concerned at this stage [12:13] techrights-bot NEWS #VOANews #Privacy #Surveillance #Russia Clamps Down on #Twitter https://www.voanews.com/silicon-valley-technology/russia-clamps-down-twitter #Roskomnadzor [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Russia Clamps Down on Twitter | Voice of America - English [12:13] techrights-bot NEWS #NewYorkTimes #Privacy #Surveillance #Russia Says It Is Slowing Access to #Twitter https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/world/europe/russia-twitter.html [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Russia Says It Is Slowing Access to Twitter - The New York Times [12:14] schestowitz vmg3: how many pins in total? [12:14] psydroid schestowitz: I am not running an IPFS node yet, although I could set my orange pi (4x 1.2 ghz Cortex A53 and 2 GB of RAM) up as one if it would really help and nothing else is available [12:14] schestowitz we have about 1100 CIDs [12:14] schestowitz psydroid: yes, that would help [12:14] schestowitz Vz used to run a node [12:14] schestowitz then raspi sold us all out [12:14] schestowitz so it became a netbsd machine [12:15] psydroid ok, I will only have time to look into this tomorrow late in the afternoon [12:15] vmg3 503 [12:15] psydroid because I have an exam before that and am currently preparing for that [12:16] psydroid one of the reasons why I never got a raspy [12:16] psydroid if there is a way for them to abuse you, they will [12:19] schestowitz vmg3: where? [12:19] schestowitz psydroid: I can help you set it up [12:19] schestowitz done it several times before, so not hard for me, takes minutes [12:20] schestowitz [12:16] if there is a way for them to abuse you, they will [12:20] vmg3 ipfs pin ls | wc -l it was mostly from that page you posted a couple of hours ago\ [12:20] schestowitz that's the assumption people must make [12:20] schestowitz when they decide, for example, to outsource tech [12:20] schestowitz LF is not trying to centralise and monopolise "trust" [12:20] schestowitz "can't install that! Google says it's not legit!" [12:20] schestowitz on your gnu/linux box [12:20] schestowitz like GOogle Play [12:20] schestowitz or UEFI 'secure' boot [12:21] schestowitz LetsEncrypt is anotheer [12:21] schestowitz people think it's free [12:21] schestowitz they hand over control to monopolies [12:21] schestowitz vmg3: ah, makes sense [12:21] schestowitz I have a script for pinning [12:21] vmg3 no i used cut [12:22] vmg3 just dl as txt and cut -f 1-46 [12:23] schestowitz we git the CIDs also [12:23] vmg3 will it hurt if i add dups [12:23] vmg3 it should sort it out [12:23] schestowitz TRACE_ID=$(sha256sum <(date --utc --iso-8601='s') | cut -d ' ' -f 1) [12:23] schestowitz repo_path="/home/YOU/ipfs_bot" [12:23] schestowitz index_path="${repo_path}/txt" [12:23] schestowitz index_source="http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt" [12:23] schestowitz logger --id ""${TRACE_ID}" Checking Techrights IPFS index for updates." [12:23] schestowitz output=$(diff --brief "${index_path}" <(wget -q -O - "${index_source}")) [12:24] schestowitz if [ -z "${output}" ]; then [12:24] schestowitz logger --id ""${TRACE_ID}" Don't need to update repo." [12:24] schestowitz else [12:24] schestowitz logger --id ""${TRACE_ID}" Need to update repo." [12:24] schestowitz logger --id ""${TRACE_ID}" Grabbing new index." [12:24] schestowitz wget -q -O "${index_path}" "${index_source}" [12:24] schestowitz logger ""${TRACE_ID}" Git operations underway." [12:24] schestowitz git -C "${repo_path}" add "${index_path}" [12:24] schestowitz git -C "${repo_path}" commit -m "Update index." [12:24] schestowitz logger --id ""${TRACE_ID}" Git operations complete." [12:24] schestowitz fi [12:24] schestowitz sorry for 'bigpaste' [12:24] schestowitz others might find that handy [12:24] schestowitz we need more 'seeders' [12:24] DaemonFC[m] RPM can hurt your computer. Do you want to keep it? [12:24] schestowitz no [12:24] schestowitz Red Hat is there too [12:24] schestowitz i.e. IBM [12:25] schestowitz this 'LF" thing [12:25] schestowitz it's Google/IBM [12:25] schestowitz they're the ones behind it [12:25] schestowitz Both work for NSA [12:25] schestowitz SO I'm thinking.... wait, what if they start strictly enforcing it? [12:25] schestowitz It makes gnu/linux like "apps store" [12:25] schestowitz that you need to 'jail-break' [12:25] schestowitz to install 'untrustworthy' software [12:25] schestowitz IBM and Google would love that [12:25] schestowitz as would their sponsors in the US regim [12:25] schestowitz Pentagon [12:26] schestowitz Flathab anybody? [12:26] schestowitz hub [12:26] schestowitz https://www.linuxtechmore.com/2021/03/megasync-is-live-on-flathub.html [12:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxtechmore.com | Finally, MEGAsync is live on Flathub! [12:26] schestowitz No, can;'t install that! [12:26] schestowitz DMCA takedown [12:26] schestowitz "REMOVED!" [12:26] schestowitz Like github for binaries [12:26] schestowitz we don't want this crap [12:27] schestowitz and outsourcing all this power to IBM and GOogle [12:27] schestowitz just as mjg59 made himself look like a Microsoft goon when he helped outsource booting authority to Wintel/Microsoft [12:27] schestowitz People didn't forget [12:28] schestowitz serving digital colonialism and empire [12:28] schestowitz and embracing fake ethics [12:28] schestowitz to compensate for the former with the thin layer of the latter [12:29] schestowitz Microsoft co-founder: I whiten the reputation of a man who trafficked thousands of underage girls for sex [12:29] schestowitz and then I whiten my own reputation by bribing the media for "Bill says" pieces [12:31] techrights-bot NEWS #RollingStone #Environment Will #Covid19 Be a Tipping Point for #Climate Action? https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-one-year-anniversary-climate-change-impact-1139440/ [12:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Covid-19: How Has the Pandemic Affected the Climate Crisis? - Rolling Stone [12:31] techrights-bot NEWS #HellenicShippingNews #Environment Stranded Assets a Long-Term Risk for Major #FossilFuel Exporters https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/stranded-assets-a-long-term-risk-for-major-fossil-fuel-exporters/ [12:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hellenicshippingnews.com | Stranded Assets a Long-Term Risk for Major Fossil Fuel Exporters | Hellenic Shipping News Worldwide [12:31] psydroid that's also why only blaming Intel for the misery of x86 hardware's fake security is only half of the story [12:31] psydroid Intel enabled Microsoft to exert its influence too [12:32] psydroid so if x86 crumbles and dies, Microsoft will just do exactly the same thing to ARM/RISC-V/POWER etc. [12:33] psydroid at least that's what they want [12:33] techrights-bot NEWS #Newsweek #Environment Why Two Polar Wonder Women Are Braving the Arctic Winter AloneAgain https://www.newsweek.com/why-first-women-overwinter-alone-harsh-arctic-returned-1574642 [12:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Why Two Polar Wonder Women Are Braving the Arctic Winter AloneAgain [12:33] techrights-bot NEWS #NewYorkTimes #Environment Do You Really Need to Fly? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/opinion/business-travel-videoconferencing.html [12:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Opinion | Do You Really Need to Fly? - The New York Times [12:34] vmg3 not swimming [12:35] vmg3 https://mega.nz/C!g9AgkCTB if you're on mega add me [12:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mega.nz | MEGA [12:36] techrights-bot #billgates "having armed guards, 4 jets, 1 helicopter, 1 seaplane, yachts, and blood of his type waiting for him at many of his destinations as if he were a Bond villain" http://techrights.org/2020/08/15/philanthropy-of-bill-and-jeffrey/ [12:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Former Microsoft Employee Explains the Deception, Lies, and Philanthropy of Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights [12:37] techrights-bot #billgates is so 'green' that he's the world's biggest polluter with half a dozen jets/planes and yachts. Soooooo green. Says media that he bribed to say this. http://techrights.org/2020/08/15/philanthropy-of-bill-and-jeffrey/ [12:37] schestowitz [12:32] so if x86 crumbles and dies, Microsoft will just do exactly the same thing to ARM/RISC-V/POWER etc. [12:38] schestowitz Risv-C already has someone called "Redmond" in charge, IIRC [12:38] techrights-bot NEWS #Medium #Politics #Farright news sources on #Facebook more engaging https://medium.com/@CybersecurityforDemocracy/far-right-news-sources-on-facebook-more-engaging-e04a01efae90 [12:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Far-right news sources on Facebook more engaging | by Cybersecurity for Democracy | Cybersecurity for Democracy | Mar, 2021 | Medium [12:39] psydroid schestowitz: I know, she happens to follow me on Twitter, where I never write or I will probably get banned soon enough [12:40] psydroid I think she has a history at IBM, don't know about MS [12:41] techrights-bot Release 1.0 of #MastoGem https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005946.html #mastodon + #geminiprotocol or #geminispace [12:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [ANN] Release 1.0 of MastoGem [12:41] schestowitz psydroid: yes, likely [12:41] schestowitz didn't say there was a Microsoft connection [12:42] schestowitz someone just told me he worried about the name [12:42] schestowitz like it was her fault [12:42] schestowitz it's not the fault of IBM President he was given a 'racist' surname [12:42] schestowitz WHITEHurst [12:42] schestowitz ALLOWHurst [12:43] psydroid it's an interesting coincidence nonetheless [12:44] psydroid it was the first thing that went through my mind when hearing the name too [12:44] psydroid but actions speak louder than words, so we'll have to see what happens with the foundation [12:46] schestowitz it's dangerous [12:46] schestowitz as it got close to LF [12:46] schestowitz and LF has Microsoft proxies in it [12:46] schestowitz Like 'Open'JS [12:46] schestowitz led by marketer from Microsoft [12:46] schestowitz also from Edelman [12:47] schestowitz they're the OpenAtMicrosoft BS artists [12:47] schestowitz came up with art of bullshit wording to mislead people [12:47] schestowitz many think GitHub is "open" [12:47] schestowitz and they use that to bamboozle people [12:47] schestowitz and kill off perceived threats to Microsocft [12:50] psydroid all of this makes me wonder why Microsoft is the darling of all of these companies and foundations [12:51] psydroid they're never created anything remarkable or resilient and infrastructure based on their software crumbles seemingly by itself [12:51] psydroid if there was real competition the company would have died a thousand times over [12:53] techrights-bot More #Microsoft Lies and #ProprietarySoftware Blunders http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148693 #TuxMachines [12:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Microsoft Lies and Proprietary Software Blunders | Tux Machines [12:53] techrights-bot #Mozilla : #Firefox s Multiple Picture-in-Picture and Latest #WebGPU Developments http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148694 #TuxMachines [12:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla: Firefoxs Multiple Picture-in-Picture and Latest WebGPU Developments | Tux Machines [12:53] schestowitz psydroid: because they operate like a cult [12:54] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/30/microsoft-as-a-cult/ [12:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is Like a Cult, According to Former Microsoft Insider | Techrights [12:54] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/08/18/the-gafam-deflection/ [12:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Toxic Culture at Microsoft | Techrights [12:55] techrights-bot #Gemini specification or protocol standardisation nearly finalisation https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005736.html #geminispace #internet [12:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [spec] List of proposed clarifications [12:58] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148695 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [12:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines ● Mar 11 [13:03] *habanero- (~user@104.244.77.112) has joined #techrights [13:04] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:04] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:04] *livestradamus (~quassel@unaffiliated/livestradamus) has joined #techrights [13:04] *balrog_ (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) has joined #techrights [13:04] schestowitz " [13:05] schestowitz Hi Roy, [13:05] schestowitz Sorry for such a delay in getting back to you. I hope you are well. Work has been busy and I was unwell with Covid-19 for some time. [13:05] schestowitz " [13:05] schestowitz Many people I know get it... [13:05] schestowitz even some colleagues [13:05] schestowitz the younger ones recover [13:05] schestowitz still 32 days before the gym reopens [13:05] schestowitz maybe I can avoid leaving home until then :-) [13:05] schestowitz breaking some more records [13:06] psydroid I have an exercise bike here and some weights [13:07] psydroid it's not like a real gym, but I guess I can manage [13:07] *habaner0 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:07] *balrog has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:07] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:07] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:07] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:07] *livestradamus_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [13:07] *balrog_ is now known as balrog [13:07] *habanero- is now known as habaner0 [13:07] schestowitz "I hope this helps," [13:07] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:1478:22e0:5871:7a08) has joined #techrights [13:08] schestowitz psydroid: manage better than people in a hospital bed [13:08] schestowitz I have some back issues this morning [13:08] schestowitz but I mostly overcame those in the pasts hour [13:08] schestowitz rearranging some things to lower strain [13:08] schestowitz people didn't move much in the 20th century [13:08] schestowitz lots of TV and stuff [13:08] schestowitz now it's even worse [13:08] schestowitz people don't even go to shops much [13:08] schestowitz legs barely used [13:26] *techrights-bot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [13:27] *techrights-bot (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9e47:addf:5b42:cd6d) has joined #techrights [13:29] techrights-bot old: Host-key rotation and more in #OpenSSH 6.8 https://lwn.net/Articles/637156/ #ssh [13:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Host-key rotation and more in OpenSSH 6.8 [LWN.net] [13:30] techrights-bot #police #surveillance with cameras turned inwards (but still unfortunately controlled by police departments, unwilling to hold themselves accountable) https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finnish_police_to_launch_body_cam_use_throughout_country/11830091 [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Finnish police to launch body cam use throughout country | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi [13:30] psydroid I can't find the panel talk at OpenPOWER Summit 2018 or 2019 with the guy from Microsoft Research, but I'm sure I saw him when it was live [13:31] schestowitz ''Open' [13:31] schestowitz in name [13:31] schestowitz they had a press release this wek [13:31] schestowitz openwashing mainframes [13:32] psydroid I know [13:32] psydroid I did some assembly programming for POWER last year [13:32] schestowitz x https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/fireeye-ceo-reckless-microsoft-hack-unusual-for-china/81442703 [13:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Microsoft: FireEye CEO: Reckless Microsoft hack unusual for China, IT News, ET CIO [13:32] schestowitz #QUOTE# divest from M$ right now [13:32] schestowitz diversions [13:32] schestowitz blaming others [13:32] schestowitz not China [13:32] psydroid but if you have to spend a tonne of money to be able to afford a modern system, what is the point [13:32] schestowitz same people who badmouthed Ariadne's work [13:32] schestowitz using xenophobia now [13:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [13:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [13:34] techrights-bot #FireEye likes to badmouth #gnu #linux and now that #microsoft screws the whole world FireEye is using its same old tactics of China-blaming (not new; Microsoft and FireEye both do this) http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [13:36] techrights-bot #sigstore is already "poisoned with javascript; not a good sign for competency" https://sigstore.dev/ LF helps #ibm and #google (NSA enablers) centralise and monopolise trust in "LINUX". Shun this. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28571 [13:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sigstore.dev | sigstore [13:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines [13:38] techrights-bot old: "A new co-operation between the Roskilde Festival and the voluntary food waste movement Stop Spild Af Mad (Stop Wasting Food) is expected to save 30 tonnes of food from been wasted during the music festival this year." https://cphpost.dk/?p=4127 [13:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cphpost.dk | Roskilde Festival part of huge food waste initiative - The Post [13:38] techrights-bot "Over 1,500 Tibetans and Free Tibet supporters came out on the streets of Trocadero square near the Eiffel Tower in Paris on Wednesday against decades of Chinese atrocities in Tibet as they marked the 62nd anniversary of an uprising against the Chinese rule." https://in.news.yahoo.com/over-1500-tibetans-protest-paris-175429494.html [13:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-in.news.yahoo.com | Over 1500 Tibetans protest in Paris against decades of Chinese atrocities [13:38] techrights-bot #china #tiben #cn #prc https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/chinas-atrocities-in-tibet-are-growing-too-big-to-ignore/2020/12/24/ba9d5c4e-4624-11eb-b0e4-0f182923a025_story.html [13:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Opinion | Chinas atrocities in Tibet are growing too big to ignore - The Washington Post [13:40] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [13:44] techrights-bot Trolling Community Developers of GNU/Linux Via Patent Trolls - Part II: Monopolies, Patents, and Their #GPL Violations http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/gpl-violations-hypocrisy/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/gpl-violations-hypocrisy/ [13:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Trolling Community Developers of GNU/Linux Via Patent Trolls Part II: Monopolies, Patents, and Their GPL Violations | Techrights [13:55] techrights-bot Some people hope to expand #geminiProtocol to do things like 'webforms' (without deviating from specs) https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005491.html [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Supporting multi-line input without changing the specification [13:55] techrights-bot #Zentyal 4.2 https://www.heise.de/download/product/zentyal-77790 [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heise.de | Zentyal | heise Download [13:55] techrights-bot #Zentyal #GNU #Linux reference https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=zentyal [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DistroWatch.com: Zentyal Server [13:55] techrights-bot git: malicious repositories can execute remote code while cloning https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2021/03/09/3 #microsoft #windows issue for the most part... [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openwall.com | oss-security - git: malicious repositories can execute remote code while cloning [13:56] techrights-bot "Bitcoin is the paperclip machine, eating the world for the sole purpose of making more coin, and while not the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases..." https://chaos.social/@spazzpp2/105865184327818813 [13:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-: "RT @mistertodd Bitcoin is the paperclip machine, " - chaos.social [13:58] techrights-bot Theres a scandal brewing at #Europe s second-largest institution, the #EPO ; #Techrights will publish the details over the coming fortnight http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/epo-and-microsoft-scandal/ #Microsoft #surveillance gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/epo-and-microsoft-scandal/ [13:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Primer | Techrights [13:59] techrights-bot Later today we start a very long series about a scandal long in the making inside the #EPO http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/nadella-meets-the-president/ #Techrights #corruption #microsoft gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/nadella-meets-the-president/ [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meme: EPO Sells Out Its Digital Sovereignty to Microsoft | Techrights ● Mar 11 [14:00] techrights-bot The introductory part explained the problem at hand; today we look at one particular aspect of the problem, namely #GPL violations and cover-up http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/gpl-violations-hypocrisy/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/gpl-violations-hypocrisy/ [14:02] techrights-bot A French Collective Tribune of Experts for #Covid19 #patent Compulsory License - Kluwer Patent Blog http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/11/a-french-collective-tribune-of-experts-for-covid-19-compulsory-license/ mention it in #twitter and they will BAN you http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/ [14:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | A French Collective Tribune of Experts for Covid-19 Compulsory License - Kluwer Patent Blog [14:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights [14:08] techrights-bot NEWS #ProPublica #police #blm Over 700 Complaints About #NYPD Officers Abusing #BlackLivesMatter Protesters, Then Silence https://www.propublica.org/article/over-700-complaints-about-nypd-officers-abusing-protesters-then-silence [14:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.propublica.org | Over 700 Complaints About NYPD Officers Abusing Black Lives Matter Protesters, Then Silence ProPublica ● Mar 11 [15:02] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:17] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/734557.jpg [15:17] *zoobab has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:23] *zoobab (zoobab@5.226.149.169) has joined #techrights [15:44] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20032418 [15:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4459270) [15:59] techrights-bot NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Mobdro Pirate Streaming: #Police Arrest Suspect, Three Others Questioned https://torrentfreak.com/mobdro-pirate-streaming-police-arrest-suspect-three-others-questioned-210310/ [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mobdro Pirate Streaming: Police Arrest Suspect, Three Others Questioned * TorrentFreak ● Mar 11 [16:00] techrights-bot NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #EU High Court: Embedding Protected Images Can Breach Copyright Law https://torrentfreak.com/eu-high-court-embedding-protected-images-can-breach-copyright-law-210310/ [16:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU High Court: Embedding Protected Images Can Breach Copyright Law * TorrentFreak [16:07] *techrights-bot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:13] Old_Man My spreadsheet is showing that my state is administering *effective* vaccines to 0.31% of the population per day this week. So we should have 75% of the state innoculated *effectively*, and hopefully reach herd immunity, by a projected date of September 4. [16:17] *techrights-bot (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9e47:addf:5b42:cd6d) has joined #techrights [16:17] schestowitz Old_Man: assuming they convice that many to take it [16:17] schestowitz depends on state [16:18] schestowitz surveys I saw last year said, less than 50% were planning to get the jabs [16:18] Old_Man This will be something of an IQ test, won't it. :D [16:18] schestowitz Yes, depends which jab and when [16:18] schestowitz I wait for more testing and iterations [16:18] schestowitz I'm in no rush [16:18] schestowitz we already saw them studying from some mistakes [16:19] schestowitz e.g. administering to people "too old" [16:19] techrights-bot EPO Management Could Really Use a Distraction From the #Microsoft Blunder and Data Protection Crimes http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/another-epo-distraction/ #EPO #europe #patents #surveillance gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/another-epo-distraction/ [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Could Really Use a Distraction From the Microsoft Blunder and Data Protection Crimes | Techrights [16:19] schestowitz Old_Man: it's like a rolling distro [16:19] schestowitz I wait for an LTS [16:19] schestowitz while lobbying against patent monopolies on these vaccines [16:19] schestowitz 'lobbying' [16:19] Old_Man Yep, and even though I'm somewhat conservative with my distros, I was ready to hop on the bleeding edge with the vaccine. :) [16:20] schestowitz They slow down distribution [16:20] Old_Man I kept a health diary for a few weeks afterward so my family and coworkers could see what effect it had on me. [16:20] schestowitz and cost the population far too much, maybe 100x production cost [16:20] schestowitz maybe because you are Old_Man [16:20] schestowitz I'm in my 30s [16:20] Old_Man No, it's because I'm a huge fan of science. [16:20] schestowitz I also don't leave the house much this year [16:20] schestowitz so I don't pose risk to others at this poibnt [16:21] Old_Man If I had turned out to be some weird corner case and I dropped dead from the vaccine, well, that would mean people could study me and learn from me. [16:21] DaemonFC[m] I'm trying to figure out ways to cut my salt intake 30-40%. [16:21] Old_Man Carve that shit on my headstone. :D [16:21] DaemonFC[m] So that I can hopefully get this blood pressure under control. [16:21] schestowitz i c... [16:21] schestowitz I'm pro-science [16:21] DaemonFC[m] In a way I admire the doctor who gets after you to cut the salt. [16:21] Old_Man Tell everybody I died for science. I would consider it a great honor. [16:21] schestowitz and I know it takes a while to do clinical trials [16:21] schestowitz these are the biggest ever clinical trials [16:21] schestowitz and if they go wrong, the cost will be high [16:22] schestowitz not that they care [16:22] DaemonFC[m] In other ways, it seems bad of them to not prescribe blood pressure meds and say "Go to the ER if your bp gets way too high.". [16:22] schestowitz because "EMERGENCY" [16:22] schestowitz "THE ECONOMY!!!" [16:22] DaemonFC[m] There's only so much sodium you can sneak out of the diet before food starts tasting like cardboard. [16:22] Old_Man Nah, they did clinical trials before they opened it up to the public. [16:23] schestowitz very short [16:23] DaemonFC[m] If reduced sodium tasted the same there probably wouldn't be two versions of the product. [16:23] Old_Man I see people spreading fake news all the time, about how the vaccine is "untested." It's not. It's well-tested. [16:23] schestowitz some in FDA even vetoed it [16:23] schestowitz (Pfiezer [16:23] schestowitz *ier [16:23] schestowitz Pfeizer [16:23] Old_Man Pfizer. :) [16:24] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer#Lawsuits [16:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pfizer - Wikipedia [16:24] Old_Man And it gets better-tested every day. My state is jabbing 0.31% of its population every day. [16:24] DaemonFC[m] Every company gets sued. [16:24] DaemonFC[m] People are litigious, schestowitz [16:24] schestowitz yes, btu this one is worse off [16:24] schestowitz historically [16:24] schestowitz compare to others [16:24] schestowitz J&J also got dued [16:24] schestowitz sued [16:25] DaemonFC[m] I saw a bus hit someone and someone else screamed "STAY DOWN! YOU CAN SUE THEM!". [16:25] schestowitz but it's not lying about efficacy for marketing purposes [16:25] Old_Man The cool thing about science is, it doesn't care about laws or lawsuits. [16:25] DaemonFC[m] Like, it didn't hit them hard. Just knocked the guy off his feet. [16:25] schestowitz we still have choices [16:25] schestowitz there's no "the vaccine" [16:25] Old_Man If something works in the real world, you can't pass a law against it working, or sue it to make it stop working. [16:25] schestowitz there are several [16:25] schestowitz bbl [16:25] DaemonFC[m] Being the target of a lawsuit doesn't mean you did anything wrong. [16:25] DaemonFC[m] It's just way too easy to sue people. [16:25] DaemonFC[m] Trial lawyers like it. [16:29] DaemonFC[m] "Health insurance company Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) filed a lawsuit against Pfizer" [16:29] DaemonFC[m] JERRY JERRY JERRY!!!! [16:30] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Mandy went into the HR office and showed them his vaccine card. [16:30] DaemonFC[m] So he gets a mulligan on the days off, and they pay him. [16:31] DaemonFC[m] Could have done it the first time and didn't, I suppose. [16:31] DaemonFC[m] The benefit says you can take 3 days off after each dose. [16:31] DaemonFC[m] But I don't like abusing policies like that. He was only feeling bad after the second one. [16:37] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [16:39] XRevan86 https://i.imgur.com/F0sI8Uv.jpg [16:46] *koo5 (~koo5@37-48-62-5.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [16:47] techrights-bot #EPO and #Microsoft Collude to Break the #Law - Part I (Intro): A Fresh #DataProtection Scandal Brewing at the EPO? http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-1/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-1/ [16:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part I (Intro): A Fresh Data Protection Scandal Brewing at the EPO? | Techrights [16:48] schestowitz [16:31] But I don't like abusing policies like that. He was only feeling bad after the second one. [16:48] schestowitz only among you two [16:48] schestowitz family members of mine were ill for 1-3 days [16:48] schestowitz not strangers [16:51] MinceR XRevan86: lol [16:52] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/F0sI8Uv.jpg [16:52] MinceR oops, not here :P [16:52] techrights-bot #Firefox 86.0.1 Released to Fix Frequent GNU/Linux Crash on Browser Launch, Other Bugs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148696 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 86.0.1 Released to Fix Frequent Linux Crash on Browser Launch, Other Bugs | Tux Machines ● Mar 11 [17:01] DaemonFC[m] Yes, I do agree with Walmart here about taking a light hand with the attendance policy after the first and second doses, even though the second one is worse, and for many people, the only one with significant side effects. [17:01] schestowitz XRevan86: on point [17:01] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/07/13/buzzwords-confronted/ [17:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Theres No Such Thing as Cloud Computing, Serverless and All That Other Nonsense | Techrights [17:02] schestowitz XRevan86: you are now serverless [17:02] schestowitz congrats [17:02] schestowitz you are at the cutting edge of tech [17:02] schestowitz what does AWS call that project with rocket or fire in it?\ [17:02] schestowitz I think they have code names with both [17:02] schestowitz but I forget [17:02] schestowitz firestarter might be one [17:02] schestowitz not kind;e [17:02] schestowitz that's another fiery one [17:02] schestowitz "kindle" [17:04] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Amazon_products_and_services [17:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of Amazon products and services - Wikipedia [17:05] schestowitz Amazon Fire TV [17:05] schestowitz any fan issues? :-) [17:05] schestowitz wikipedia is a corporate catalogue [17:05] schestowitz what shambles [17:06] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: can you read a new article for typos? [17:08] techrights-bot #System76 Unveils Thelio Mira GNU/Linux PC with AMD #Ryzen CPUs and NVIDIA Graphics http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148697 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 Unveils Thelio Mira Linux PC with AMD Ryzen CPUs and NVIDIA Graphics | Tux Machines [17:08] techrights-bot #HowTo Create Symbolic or soft Link in Linux? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148698 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Create Symbolic or soft Link in Linux? | Tux Machines [17:18] DaemonFC[m] yeah [17:18] techrights-bot Fake Security From #LinuxFoundation and the Monopolies Its Fronting for http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [17:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security From Linux Foundation and the Monopolies Its Fronting for | Techrights [17:18] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: ^^ [17:18] schestowitz just posted [17:18] schestowitz may have typos [17:20] techrights-bot Through #pentagon connected and funded corporations (and their front groups that have a share of that money 'trickle down' to them) the #nsa has swallowed/captured far too much of the software and hardware 'supply chain' http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation#March_2021 [17:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [17:23] DaemonFC[m] Looks okay. [17:23] techrights-bot When a company has a divion called $Company "Research" it's a tax-evading mechanism and effectively another #marketing department, leveraging the "white coat"-type PR tactics, painting propaganda as a "Science" [17:23] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: cheers [17:30] techrights-bot Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148699 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [17:33] techrights-bot #EPO and #Microsoft Collude to Break the Law -- Part II will be published tomorrow morning in #techrights (about 20 parts in total just for text, plus a dozen videos to come) [17:36] *techrights-bot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:37] *techrights-bot (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9e47:addf:5b42:cd6d) has joined #techrights [17:37] techrights-bot IAM is spreading #UPC lies. It's paid by the corrupt #EPO to spread such lies. https://www.iam-media.com/look-the-future-of-international-ip-arbitration [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | A Look to the Future of International IP Arbitration | IAM [17:40] techrights-bot #monopolies on #coffee (which grows in nature) so you can grossly overcharge people for it while barely paying a dime to farmers https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qxgf7xkyz87q/coffee-brands-show-how-ip-strategies-can-grind-to-a-halt [17:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Coffee brands show how IP strategies can grind to a halt | Managing Intellectual Property [17:42] techrights-bot This video prelude or interlude speaks about the importance of privacy and why its a pretty big deal that #EPO management funnels tons of personal data to a company with a longtime record of criminality http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/another-epo-distraction/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/another-epo-distraction/ [17:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Could Really Use a Distraction From the Microsoft Blunder and Data Protection Crimes | Techrights [17:43] techrights-bot In the real world outside of the #EPO bubble, exposure of the illicit use of such techniques generally causes a political backlash and can even lead to the fall of governments. http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-1/ #Techrights #Microsoft #Europe #corruption gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/epoleaks-report-marc [17:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part I (Intro): A Fresh Data Protection Scandal Brewing at the EPO? | Techrights [17:43] techrights-bot #LinuxFoundation as a front group (of #IBM and others) is once again falsely marketing as security something which in practice gives more control to a handful of #monopolies that spy on people and steal peoples personal data (that in itself is a security breach) http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux gemi [17:45] techrights-bot Probably just increasingly faking who's involved with a patent just to game the numbers and make claims to more contributions in the patent sense (same in academia) https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/continued-growth-inventors.html [17:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Continued growth in the number of inventors per patent. [17:48] techrights-bot This part about the UPC is a distortion and a lie: "The #EU is in the process of revamping its patent system with the unitary patent (UP) and the Unified Patent Court (UPC)" (no, #UPC is dead) https://www.iam-media.com/arbitrability-of-ip-disputes [17:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Arbitrability of IP Disputes | IAM [17:49] techrights-bot #patents / #cartels or conspiracies against public interest facilitated by #patent and #secrecy #law https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qxfy2p4ltwls/why-confidentiality-clubs-may-allow-full-frand-disclosure [17:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Why confidentiality clubs may allow full FRAND disclosure | Managing Intellectual Property [17:52] techrights-bot No matter where you are, #covid19 vaccines are NOT free. To make matters worse, they charge about 100x the production costs (blame #patent monopolies), buy in bulk with secret agreements, and #twitter BANS you for condemning this http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/ [17:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights [17:53] techrights-bot Public interest groups are not compatible with the business model of #twitter and other #socialcontrolmedia sites http://techrights.org/2021/02/04/twitter-berserk/ [17:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter: We Suspend Your Account For Quoting the Media About Bill Gates | Techrights [17:54] techrights-bot "Rather, US courts have largely refused to allow parallel proceedings or filings in foreign jurisdictions to impact their decision-making at home." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/international-patent-supreme.html [17:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | International Patent Law at the Supreme Court | Patently-O [17:56] techrights-bot #patent #thinktank sites promote the FRAUD which is "FRAND" https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qxf4cdbjhwgy/a-hitchhikers-guide-to-willingness-in-frand see http://techrights.org/2020/07/10/frand-sep-scam/ [17:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | A (hitchhikers) guide to willingness in FRAND | Managing Intellectual Property [17:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European FRAND (Related to SEP) Proponent and Famed Programmer Comes to Realise That Its Actually a Scam | Techrights [17:57] techrights-bot FOSS Patents: Brainstorming: how do we get out of this quagmire of extraterritorial #patent rulings and multi- #antisuit #injunctions h http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/brainstorming-how-do-we-get-out-of-this.html #fosspatents [17:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Brainstorming: how do we get out of this quagmire of extraterritorial patent rulings and multi-antisuit injunctions? [17:57] techrights-bot Justice? Science? Innovation? No. It's all about money to these people, money derived from monopolies and robber barons. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qx71q93nwbx8/patent-budget-rises-provide-opportunity-for-outside-counsel #patent #patents [17:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Patent budget rises provide opportunity for outside counsel | Managing Intellectual Property [17:58] techrights-bot #Linux #Gaming Old School - Terminal Based Games on Linux - Putorius https://www.putorius.net/linux-games-old-school-style.html #putorius | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/11/#latest [17:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.putorius.net | Linux Gaming Old School - Terminal Based Games on Linux - Putorius [17:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [17:59] techrights-bot Open-Source #Radeon Driver Performance Against #NVIDIA Linux Gaming For March 2021 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gaming-march-2021&num=1 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [17:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Open-Source Radeon Driver Performance Against NVIDIA Linux Gaming For March 2021 - Phoronix ● Mar 11 [18:03] techrights-bot Supporting a company that sells PCs ONLY with #gnu #linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148697#comment-28573 [18:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 Unveils Thelio Mira Linux PC with AMD Ryzen CPUs and NVIDIA Graphics | Tux Machines [18:05] techrights-bot Another option from another company that only preloads with #gnu #linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148687#comment-28574 [18:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO Computers Launches First Linux Gaming Laptops with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3000 | Tux Machines [18:06] techrights-bot "Linux version landing in December 2020 with the latest free upgrade out now." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/wasteland-3-gets-a-permadeath-mode-and-skill-respec-in-the-1-3-3-update #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games #Gaming [18:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wasteland 3 gets a permadeath mode and skill respec in the 1.3.3 update | GamingOnLinux [18:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yea, that I am. [18:08] techrights-bot "Out now with #GNU #Linux support, it's actually a port of the very popular mobile version with several enhancements for the PC." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/chilled-out-first-person-puzzler-faraway-directors-cut-is-out-no [18:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chilled-out first-person puzzler Faraway: Director's Cut is out now | GamingOnLinux [18:09] techrights-bot "Something to note as well is that the developer mentions it "contains references to thematic elements such as racism, homophobia, mental illness, murder and suicide" so keep that in mind." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/if-on-a-winters-night-four-travelers-probably-the-best-free-game-you-will-find-today [18:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If On A Winter's Night, Four Travelers - probably the best free game you will find today | GamingOnLinux [18:13] techrights-bot Goodbye, #proprietarySofwtare ... and #goodRiddance https://boilingsteam.com/how-to-bridge-discord-in-matrix/ [18:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | How to Leave Discord for Matrix Without Losing Friends - Boiling Steam [18:14] techrights-bot Using #ibm vendor lockin at home https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/ansible-automate-updates-home #ansible #redhat [18:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | How I used Ansible to automate updates at home | Enable Sysadmin [18:18] techrights-bot Your server is fine, the software is fine, but site blocked because of outsourced "Trust" https://bkhome.org/news/202103/puppylinuxcom-certificate-issues.html [18:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | puppylinux.com certificate issues [18:19] DaemonFC[m] My body is definitely not happy about scaling back the caffeine, but at least I don't feel like I'm about to explode. [18:19] techrights-bot "Due to certificate issues" https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/puppy-71/puppylinux-main-forum-having-issues-4175691857/ heard it so many times; and sometimes it's not even about #security at all http://techrights.org/2020/03/04/lets-ask-lets-encrypt/ [18:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | Puppylinux main forum having issues [18:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Urges Readers to Ask the Linux Foundations Lets Encrypt (Backed by Companies That Give the NSA Back Doors) Some Hard But Legitimate Questions | Techrights [18:21] techrights-bot #Ubuntu Podcast from the #UK LoCo: S14E01 Navy Chefs Remit https://ubuntupodcast.org/2021/03/11/s14e01-navy-chefs-remit/ [18:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntupodcast.org | S14E01 Navy Chefs Remit | Ubuntu Podcast [18:24] techrights-bot Way to distract from what happened to #Microsoft Exchange http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148671#comment-28575 out of support, end of life, just #googlebomb "LINUX" "CHINA" and "MALWARE" http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [18:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Tactics | Tux Machines [18:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [18:27] techrights-bot Now #Microsoft boosters join the FUD, blaming on "Linux" systems that are simply not patched. Way to distract from what happened to Microsoft. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148671#comment-28576 #MicrosoftLovesLinux FUD. [18:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Tactics | Tux Machines [18:27] techrights-bot #KDEneon 20210311 is out. #kde #gnu #linux https://neon.kde.org/ [18:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon [18:30] techrights-bot #LinuxFoundation PR/media partner #TechRepublic the latest to promote #fakesecurity http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28577 http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ [18:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines [18:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security From Linux Foundation and the Monopolies Its Fronting for | Techrights [18:31] techrights-bot Too many #microsoft shills have had their eyes lit up by money and ears shut to facts, information, morality [18:32] techrights-bot They seem to have forgotten and overlooked Microsoft's vastly worse #monopoly abuses. #Microsoft #lobbying in action (via proxies, as it did in EU)? https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/220561 [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.appleinsider.com | Australian antitrust regulator examines Apple, Google web browser dominance - General Discussion Discussions on AppleInsider Forums [18:35] techrights-bot Do not connect #proprietarysoftware to an Internet network https://www.maketecheasier.com/verkada-security-firm-cameras-hacked-includes-tesla/ [18:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Verkada Security Firm Cameras Hacked, Includes Tesla - Make Tech Easier [18:39] techrights-bot #WordPress 5.7 Esperanza Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148637#comment-28580 #cms #gpl #freesw #www [18:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress 5.7 Esperanza | Tux Machines [18:42] techrights-bot PicoSDR - A #RaspberryPi Pico powered SDR working with GNU Radio https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/11/picosdr-a-raspberry-pi-pico-powered-sdr-based-on-gnu-radio/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware http://techrights.org/2021/03/06/liberating-raspberry-spy/ [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | PicoSDR - A Raspberry Pi Pico powered SDR working with GNU Radio [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How To Deal With Your Raspberry Spy Part IV: Doing The Task | Techrights [18:49] techrights-bot #Games : Retro, Free/Libre #Radeon Driver Performance Against NVIDIA GNU/Linux Gaming, and New Titles http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148700 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Retro, Free/Libre Radeon Driver Performance Against NVIDIA GNU/Linux Gaming, and New Titles | Tux Machines [18:49] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148701 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [18:55] CrystalMath MinceR: so should lunatix truly become a thing? [18:55] CrystalMath do you think it would attract developers, get people to actually work on it? [18:56] CrystalMath maybe i should ask suckless.org people [18:56] MinceR \_()_/ [18:56] MinceR in this insane society, i have no idea how (or even if) something worthwhile can be made successful [18:57] CrystalMath together, we call can take back linux [18:57] CrystalMath *we all [18:57] psydroid I don't care about linux anymore [18:57] CrystalMath BSD now? [18:57] schestowitz Linux is bloated [18:57] psydroid I use it and that's all [18:58] CrystalMath psydroid: that's the root of the problem [18:58] CrystalMath no pun intended [18:58] schestowitz removing floppy support and stuff isn't the answer [18:58] CrystalMath of course it isn't, i still use floppies [18:58] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/22/linux-bloat-meme/ [18:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Linux is Becoming a Code Burial Ground, Sometimes at the Expense of Size and Complexity (Bloat) | Techrights [18:58] CrystalMath lunatix will instead change policies more than code, but also code as a result of the changed policies [18:58] schestowitz not they even make it bloated with Microsoft patent traps [18:59] schestowitz things nobody should use [18:59] psydroid I don't care much about BSD either, but I've replaced Debian with OpenBSD on a few of my machines [18:59] schestowitz like microsoft file systems that pose a security risk [18:59] schestowitz and legal land mines [18:59] CrystalMath NTFS? [18:59] psydroid to get some sanity back at least temporarily [18:59] CrystalMath i don't have support for that in 4.4 :P [18:59] schestowitz gemini shows where linux can go [18:59] psydroid NTFS ate my files [18:59] schestowitz you identify what you need [18:59] schestowitz gemini works on lots and lots of platforms [18:59] schestowitz with old computers, little in the stack ● Mar 11 [19:00] schestowitz tls poses some issues [19:00] psydroid and that prompted me to never use Windows for anything serious again [19:00] schestowitz so some suggested a parallel spec for gemini without tls [19:00] schestowitz but it causes issues, so they say use gopher [19:00] psydroid because it isn't a serious computing platform itself [19:00] schestowitz it never was [19:00] schestowitz it was mass 'marketed' [19:00] schestowitz by crimes at times [19:00] CrystalMath screw windows, and screw linux too, use LUNATIX :P [19:01] schestowitz so people were led to assume it must be "good" [19:01] schestowitz CrystalMath: you also suggested "sexRights" [19:01] CrystalMath that was actually your joke [19:01] schestowitz LUNARIX [19:01] CrystalMath i just thought it was funny [19:01] psydroid I migrated to GNU/Linux from 2000 till 2002 [19:01] schestowitz A Linux for each moon [19:02] schestowitz for some devices we do not need Linux [19:02] schestowitz for some devices we do not need Internet [19:02] schestowitz for some devices we do not need computers [19:02] schestowitz ex: [19:02] CrystalMath remember, you said "this is techrights, not sexrights" [19:02] schestowitz 1. clocks [19:02] schestowitz 2. cctv [19:02] schestowitz 3. ovens [19:02] CrystalMath agreed 100% [19:02] CrystalMath i like analog TV too :) [19:02] schestowitz CrystalMath: trolls try to undermine the channel by interjecting sex into it [19:03] schestowitz it puts off some women who lurk here, online or offline (logs) [19:03] schestowitz it also throws us off meaningful debates [19:03] schestowitz that can lead to helpful articles [19:03] schestowitz CrystalMath: it works [19:03] schestowitz for more than 5 years [19:03] mjg59 schestowitz: You keep complaining that people criticise rapists [19:03] schestowitz cathode ray tubes can last even 20 years sometimes [19:03] CrystalMath i love CRTs <3 [19:03] mjg59 And then complain that people criticise you for complaining that people criticise rapists [19:03] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [19:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [19:04] mjg59 That's not about sex [19:04] schestowitz CrystalMath: I had one with a PC [19:04] schestowitz we threw it out last year [19:04] schestowitz as it had stopped working a few years back [19:04] schestowitz I could not bring it back to life [19:04] CrystalMath :( [19:04] MinceR "this is not about money. this is about POWER!" [19:05] schestowitz It's on the right side here: http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Late-December/Tree-at-Home/xmas-tree-home-1 [19:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | xmas-tree-home-1 [19:05] schestowitz Old Dell [19:05] schestowitz MinceR: money and power are connected [19:05] schestowitz and they corrupt people [19:05] schestowitz can turn them against neighbours and family [19:05] MinceR tell that to the script writers of predator 2 :> [19:05] schestowitz we need a society that shames greed [19:06] schestowitz where people who are greedy hide it [19:06] schestowitz and take cover [19:06] schestowitz like we treat sociopaths [19:06] CrystalMath RIP sweet Dell monitor [19:06] schestowitz the money is in oppression [19:06] schestowitz war, spying etc. [19:06] schestowitz Those who participate share the loot [19:06] schestowitz those who antagonise them become their targets [19:06] MinceR that's not how we treat sociopaths either [19:06] schestowitz CrystalMath: it was just picking up dust [19:07] MinceR we give them positions of power and tons of resources [19:07] schestowitz we had the council collect it when the washing machine broke down, 2 in 1~ [19:07] MinceR heading governments, megacorporations and cults [19:07] schestowitz it was about 25kg [19:07] schestowitz the screen, not the washing machine [19:07] schestowitz CrystalMath: the stereo here still works: http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Late-December/Tree-at-Home/xmas-tree-home-2 [19:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | xmas-tree-home-2 [19:08] schestowitz As AUX at least [19:08] schestowitz working since 1993 [19:08] schestowitz we used that when working out, it connected to a laptop [19:08] schestowitz *it's [19:08] schestowitz let's see if it makes it to 30 [19:08] schestowitz Samsung made [19:09] CrystalMath i have a washing machine from 1985 [19:09] CrystalMath fully refitted recently, in perfect working order [19:09] schestowitz wow [19:09] schestowitz almost as old as me [19:09] schestowitz my mom's microwave is 30+ years old [19:10] schestowitz they no longer make things that last this long [19:10] schestowitz (or people would not buy these) [19:10] schestowitz Goldman Sachs explains why :-) https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html [19:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Goldman asks: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?' [19:12] techrights-bot Stable Kernels: 5.11.6, 5.10.23, 5.4.105, 4.19.180, 4.14.225, 4.9.261 , and 4.4.261 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148702 #GNU #Linux #Kernel #TuxMachines [19:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.11.6, 5.10.23, 5.4.105, 4.19.180, 4.14.225, 4.9.261 , and 4.4.261 | Tux Machines [19:12] techrights-bot The GNU/Linux Setup Jon Kukuk, Musician/ #SysAdmin http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148703 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux Setup Jon Kukuk, Musician/SysAdmin | Tux Machines [19:13] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt Oh The Culture You'll Cancel, Thanks To The Ninth Circuit And #Copyright https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210309/09242946390/culture-youll-cancel-thanks-to-ninth-circuit-copyright.shtml [19:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oh The Culture You'll Cancel, Thanks To The Ninth Circuit And Copyright | Techdirt [19:14] Ariadne with all this complaining about "cancel culture", is this #techrights or #CPAC [19:14] Ariadne just wondering [19:14] MinceR cancer culture [19:14] MinceR does one have to be a fascist to disapprove of people being cancelled? [19:14] Ariadne because dr. seuss enterprises choosing to withdraw books with racist illustrations is not "cancel culture" [19:14] schestowitz it's not a partisan issue [19:15] schestowitz techdirt [19:15] schestowitz not techrights [19:15] MinceR is that the only instance of cancel culture, then? [19:15] schestowitz sorry if the names are similar [19:15] schestowitz PJ of Groklaw got confused too [19:15] MinceR funny, i seem to remember someone called RMS [19:15] schestowitz mistaking the site names [19:15] MinceR but i guess he became an unperson [19:15] Ariadne RMS is still a person [19:15] schestowitz we all are [19:15] CrystalMath Ariadne: can'd they just edit the illustrations or replace them? [19:16] CrystalMath *can't [19:16] schestowitz anyway, it's techdirt, not techrights [19:16] schestowitz masnick is left-leaning [19:16] schestowitz and he loathes censorship [19:16] MinceR or maybe add a foreword with context [19:16] Ariadne CrystalMath: feel free to ask dr. seuss enterprises [19:16] schestowitz he's the target of attempts to cancel his site [19:16] Ariadne it's their books [19:16] schestowitz many old books are 'racist' [19:16] MinceR or just put them in the public domain [19:16] Ariadne if they don't want to bother with updating them, that's their business [19:16] MinceR i doubt anyone's really depending on dead trees anymore [19:16] schestowitz some of today's P-C books will be "bad" in the future [19:17] schestowitz MinceR: some do [19:17] schestowitz it's practical in many contexts [19:17] schestowitz like on planes [19:17] schestowitz I don't need batteries to read some text [19:17] MinceR i read on my phone every time i flew [19:17] schestowitz if you have some old books hanging in a cabinet, they too are an option [19:18] schestowitz trees die from other things [19:18] Ariadne anyway, RMS did not even get "cancelled" [19:18] schestowitz in larger volumes [19:18] schestowitz Ariadne: thankfully [19:18] schestowitz they tried [19:18] Ariadne RMS instead decided to piss off basically everyone at MIT [19:18] schestowitz he withstood it [19:18] schestowitz the IBMers still tried to get him out of GNU last year [19:18] Ariadne by engaging in discussion of a hypothetical situation where marvin minsky took up epstein on his child sex offer [19:19] Ariadne which clearly never happened [19:19] MinceR ah yes, discussing hypothetical situations is now heresy [19:19] MinceR RIP free software [19:19] Ariadne discussing a hypothetical situation involving one of MIT's most beloved professors is definitely heresy on an MIT mailing list [19:20] psydroid indeed [19:20] MinceR now we have software repositories for the purpose of making crybullies feel good and supporting megacorporate agendas instead [19:20] schestowitz monopolies [19:20] schestowitz megacorporate underplays it I think [19:20] schestowitz oligopolies at best [19:20] schestowitz they share power among them [19:20] schestowitz and get funded by the same sources [19:20] schestowitz inc. military budget [19:20] schestowitz [19:19] NEWS #CommonDreams #grifting #massmurder New Report to Expose #War Industry Lobby Behind $264 Billion US Nuclear Missile 'Boondoggle' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/10/new-report-expose-war-industry-lobby-behind-264-billion-us-nuclear-missile [19:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | New Report to Expose War Industry Lobby Behind $264 Billion US Nuclear Missile 'Boondoggle' | Common Dreams News [19:20] schestowitz the BIG money [19:20] schestowitz grows on TREES [19:20] schestowitz 'trees' [19:21] psydroid let's all become IBM and Microsoft researchers now [19:21] schestowitz just play ball for them [19:21] schestowitz like Google salaries [19:21] schestowitz or IBM [19:21] schestowitz that's where the money comes from [19:21] Ariadne the point being that RMS shot himself in the foot because he acted emotionally instead of thinking about context [19:21] schestowitz psydroid: it's a marketing department [19:21] schestowitz spun as "research" [19:21] schestowitz I've called it that for decades [19:21] schestowitz Ariadne: many people can be caught for saying something improper [19:21] CrystalMath screw Minsky and MIT [19:22] psydroid schestowitz, I know [19:22] schestowitz even 'leftist' Obama moaned about "cancel culture" [19:22] MinceR i guess that means obama is a "conservative" now [19:22] schestowitz because he recognised it would be used against people he agreed with [19:22] MinceR CPAC member [19:22] schestowitz many of us on the left who support (true) free speech see that as problematic [19:22] Ariadne had he thought for a moment whether or not it would be appropriate to defend Minsky by exploring the hypothetical situation that was alleged instead of just saying "it didn't happen, the dude was in his 80s when that AI event happened on epstein's island" [19:22] schestowitz Merkel opposed kicking Trump out from Twitter [19:22] Ariadne then he would not have had to deal with angry MIT people trying to cancel him [19:23] Ariadne i am just saying [19:23] schestowitz not Twitter tosses people out, left and right [19:23] schestowitz fro corprorate purposes [19:23] psydroid it's like hire the best people from the competition and put them in the "research department", so they can't hurt our business anymore [19:23] CrystalMath MIT sucks [19:23] CrystalMath they killed Aaron Schwartz [19:23] CrystalMath they're not people a good person wants to associate with [19:23] schestowitz psydroid: I have some stories I could tell [19:23] schestowitz but bill and MSFT used NDAs [19:24] schestowitz they attack their critics [19:24] schestowitz a lot [19:24] Ariadne if you read the full thread (which i can provide), many other participants on that list from MIT and Harvard defended Minsky by pointing out the alleged encounter was unlikely to have happened because Minsky was geriatric [19:24] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_Retribution_against_individuals_and_organisations [19:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Retribution against individuals and organisations - Techrights [19:24] Ariadne RMS could have done that and would have been fine [19:24] schestowitz it's a strategy [19:24] CrystalMath i now genuinely wish death upon the organization known as MIT [19:24] XRevan86 https://independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/b1814372.html [19:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | French schoolgirl admits lying about murdered teacher Samuel Paty | The Independent [19:24] Ariadne CrystalMath: without MIT you would not have FSF or GNU [19:25] MinceR there's no FSF anymore [19:25] MinceR and GNU is being destroyed from the inside [19:25] CrystalMath MinceR: we are talking about the past [19:25] schestowitz CrystalMath: video: http://techrights.org/2020/10/12/tribute-to-the-bill/ [19:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When Bill Gates Pays a University Through His Friend Epstein (Sex Trafficker) to Call Buildings After Himself | Techrights [19:25] schestowitz RMS gives the finger (MIT) [19:25] CrystalMath we would not have reiserfs without Hans Reiser [19:26] schestowitz ShisjkinFS [19:26] schestowitz people who call their projects after themselves [19:26] schestowitz LINUX [19:26] schestowitz at least RMS didn't call things after himself [19:26] MinceR afaik Linux was not named by Linus [19:26] schestowitz ego a factor [19:27] schestowitz FTP access [19:27] CrystalMath i'm just saying... that's no excuse for what this organization does now [19:27] schestowitz account for linus over ftp [19:27] schestowitz on unix [19:27] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Naming [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Linux - Wikipedia [19:27] schestowitz linux [19:27] schestowitz but it's still similar [19:27] CrystalMath it was called freax [19:27] schestowitz cybrNaut: they cover up for sex abuse [19:27] CrystalMath very similar to myname idea, lunatix [19:27] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/06/02/eponian-drunk-tale/ [19:27] CrystalMath *my name [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Tall Tales From EPOnia A Little Apritif to Whet the Appetite | Techrights [19:27] schestowitz sorry, wrong url [19:27] schestowitz techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ [19:27] mjg59 schestowitz: Sorry, did you just bring up sex? [19:27] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights [19:28] schestowitz people who talked about sex canceled RMS [19:28] schestowitz not him [19:28] schestowitz people who weaponise sex [19:28] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/mit-emails/ [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | All This Happened While Bill Gates Engineer Was on Trial for Amassing Child Pornography | Techrights [19:28] CrystalMath honestly, RMS should have left MIT when the Aaron Schwartz thing happened [19:29] MinceR mjg59 sounds thirsty [19:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/01/26/mit-and-ms-or-mbs-billg/ [19:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | MIT and Microsoft Have Done Nothing to Actually Tackle Pedophilia and Ephebophilia | Techrights [19:29] schestowitz CrystalMath: similar [19:29] schestowitz they did an "investogation" [19:29] schestowitz which turned out to be self-serving coverup [19:29] schestowitz fake 'independence' [19:29] schestowitz with a mission to cleanse their name [19:30] schestowitz MinceR: maybe he can drink off his ex colleague andry rubin [19:30] schestowitz but andy is into girls [19:30] psydroid is he employing trollspeech now? [19:30] schestowitz anyway [19:30] schestowitz back on topic [19:30] schestowitz the RMS cancel thing is by nature going to bring up the false pretexts [19:31] techrights-bot NEWS #meduza #ru #russia Russian lawmakers adopt in first reading bill exempting officials from punishment for accidental corruption https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/03/10/russian-lawmakers-adopt-in-first-reading-bill-exempting-officials-from-punishment-for-accidental-corruption [19:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [19:31] CrystalMath cancel MIT instead [19:32] techrights-bot NEWS #meduza #ru #russia #Navalny RT announces plans to sue German tabloid over allegations of spying on Navalny https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/03/10/rt-announces-plans-to-sue-german-tabloid-over-allegations-of-spying-on-navalny [19:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [19:32] schestowitz cybrNaut: yes [19:32] schestowitz when I was young some people said it would be nice to study there [19:32] schestowitz but MIT was not yet notorious for military ties [19:33] schestowitz Not Harvard is under fire [19:33] schestowitz over Cornell West [19:33] techrights-bot NEWS #DemocracyNow #Harvard #Centrism Too Radical for Harvard? #CornelWest on Failed Fight for Tenure, Bidens First 50 Days & More https://www.democracynow.org/2021/3/10/cornel_west_harvard_tenure_denial_biden [19:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Too Radical for Harvard? Cornel West on Failed Fight for Tenure, Bidens First 50 Days & More | Democracy Now! [19:33] MinceR psydroid: was he ever not? [19:34] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148704 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [19:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:34] XRevan86 > Russian lawmakers adopt in first reading bill exempting officials from punishment for accidental corruption [19:34] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/Ty2FVORVTQM [19:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-: - - YouTube [19:36] psydroid MinceR, I only realised he's here because someone mentioned his nick [19:38] DaemonFC[m] I was accidentally corrupt. It won't happen again. Investigated myself and got it all under control! [19:41] techrights-bot NEWS #TruthOut Bill McKibben Says Rutgers Divesting From #FossilFuels Is a "Big Deal" https://truthout.org/video/bill-mckibben-says-rutgers-divesting-from-fossil-fuels-is-a-big-deal/ easy to down when it's down... [19:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Bill McKibben Says Rutgers Divesting From Fossil Fuels Is a "Big Deal" [19:43] *DVulgaris_ (~quassel@147.236.153.9) has joined #techrights [19:43] schestowitz XRevan86: get out of jail card [19:43] schestowitz does that apply retroactively too? [19:44] schestowitz corrupt? just CLAIM you did not understand the law. [19:44] schestowitz come to the courtroom with a walking stick and say you have memory problems... [19:44] XRevan86 schestowitz: It does. [19:44] schestowitz :D [19:44] XRevan86 it's a retroactive law [19:44] schestowitz great [19:44] schestowitz so all is forgiven [19:44] schestowitz "back to work, plebs..." [19:46] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams #elite #xenophobia #tribalism Opinion | #Racism Among the Royals? Really? https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/03/10/racism-among-royals-really [19:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Racism Among the Royals? Really? [19:46] XRevan86 schestowitz: You should check what Niemtsov talked about corruption in Russia. [19:46] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt #Utah Legislature Wraps Up Session By Passing Two Unconstitutional #Internet Bills https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210308/22350246387/utah-legislature-wraps-up-session-passing-two-unconstitutional-internet-bills.shtml [19:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Utah Legislature Wraps Up Session By Passing Two Unconstitutional Internet Bills | Techdirt [19:47] techrights-bot NEWS #meduza #ru #russia #socialcontrolmedia Slow down, Twitter #Roskomnadzor throttles Twitter over failure to remove illegal content https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/03/10/slow-down-twitter [19:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [19:47] *DVulgaris has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:47] schestowitz who's Niemtsov? [19:47] schestowitz Twitter should remove illegal president [19:47] XRevan86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov [19:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Boris Nemtsov - Wikipedia [19:49] schestowitz "From 2000 until his death, he was an outspoken critic of Vladimir Putin." [19:49] schestowitz Oh. [19:49] schestowitz maybe he licked something [19:49] DaemonFC[m] Poked by an umbrella. [19:49] schestowitz Died 55 [19:49] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov#Assassination [19:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Boris Nemtsov - Wikipedia [19:50] schestowitz "Less than three weeks before his murder, on 10 February, Nemtsov had written on Russia's Sobesednik news website that his 87-year-old mother was afraid Putin would kill him. He added that his mother is also afraid for former oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky and anti-corruption activist Alexei Navalny. " [19:50] schestowitz silly mom [19:50] schestowitz silly.. [19:50] schestowitz Navalny would never be a target [19:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: No, he was shot. [19:51] schestowitz which shot? [19:51] schestowitz sputnik-V? [19:51] XRevan86 gun shot [19:51] schestowitz fake news [19:51] schestowitz "illegal content" [19:51] schestowitz remove [19:51] techrights-bot
  • [19:52] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/11/02/off-the-hook [19:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [19:53] schestowitz sounds like assassination method [19:53] schestowitz I wish they have proper headline expansion there [19:53] schestowitz they don't do meta headers right [19:55] schestowitz JAVASCRIPT [19:55] schestowitz "run this problem to get a web page" [19:55] schestowitz "our program, not yours" [19:55] DaemonFC[m] American medical system: I lost less in the mugging than I do each time I go to the doctor so they can give me horseassed advice and tell me to talk to a nutritionist on my Obamacare insurance. [19:57] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt #Kentucky Senators Pass Bill That Would Make It A Crime To Say Mean Things To Cops https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210308/16332146384/kentucky-senators-pass-bill-that-would-make-it-crime-to-say-mean-things-to-cops.shtml [19:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kentucky Senators Pass Bill That Would Make It A Crime To Say Mean Things To Cops | Techdirt [19:58] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: so if you mug your physician, you'll still be cashflow negative [19:59] DaemonFC[m] I ought to mug the doctor and get some of it back. Driving a car I made a payment on to tell me to watch my salt. ● Mar 11 [20:00] schestowitz "Watch yo ssault! [20:00] DaemonFC[m] "You know how things are monotonous and boring? Here, don't put any salt in your food. That ought to help.". [20:00] schestowitz that'll be $200!" [20:01] DaemonFC[m] Then she orders a bunch of lab tests and a follow up visit. [20:01] schestowitz medi school= licence to mint money [20:01] schestowitz in the US anyway [20:01] DaemonFC[m] Then I get to the lab and they say insurance won't pay for most of the tests because there aren't enough billing codes, and I had to wait while they called her and got more codes. [20:01] DaemonFC[m] So insurance will pay because there's more codes now. [20:02] MinceR (audio:important) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/734230.mp4 [20:02] techrights-bot Corrupt #EPO has bullied its own judges into allowing illegal software patents https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/enlarged-board-of-appeal-releases-g-1-19-decision-on-patenting-computer-simulations/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Software_Patents_in_Europe [20:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Enlarged Board of Appeal releases G 1/19 decision on patenting computer simulations - JUVE Patent [20:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in Europe - Techrights [20:03] DaemonFC[m] Janeway: "I need to know if we've harmed this lifeform." The Doctor: "Well let's see. You rammed your ship into it, fired phasers at it, and blew a hole in it with a photon torpedo. I'd say there's a fair chance...." Janeway: "Computer, mute audio!" [20:03] techrights-bot EPO Does the Unlawful While Leveraging Womens Rights as an Opportunistic Form of Disguise http://techrights.org/2021/03/10/unlawful-exploitation/ #Techrights #EPO #corruption #swpats gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/10/unlawful-exploitation/ [20:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Does the Unlawful While Leveraging Womens Rights as an Opportunistic Form of Disguise | Techrights [20:04] techrights-bot It's not even over yet. The radiation is still there, lasts a lifetime. https://howiehawkins.us/fukushima-ten-years-on-the-disaster-continues/ [20:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howiehawkins.us | Fukushima: Ten Years On the Disaster Continues | Howie Hawkins for our Future [20:05] techrights-bot Ask the #epo who owns a big and they'll tell you pigs are patented. Are they copyrighted too? http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/jeff-koons-loses-again-in-france-his.html [20:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Jeff Koons loses (again) in France: his Fait d'Hiver found to infringe copyright in Franck Davidovici's own Fait d'Hiver - The IPKat [20:13] techrights-bot #Sigstore Project Aims to Monopolise Software Supply Chain http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28586 http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ #monopoly [20:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines [20:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security From Linux Foundation and the Monopolies Its Fronting for | Techrights [20:18] techrights-bot Events: #FSFE at #FOSDEM 2021, Virtual #LibrePlanet , and Cornelius Schumachers Take http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148705 [20:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Events: FSFE at FOSDEM 2021, Virtual LibrePlanet, and Cornelius Schumacher's Take | Tux Machines [20:23] techrights-bot #Racism has been solved! https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GitLab-Default-Main http://techrights.org/2021/02/23/minds-of-profound-racists/ [20:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitLab Will Now Default To "Main" For New Git Repositories - Phoronix [20:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Word Master is Not Problematic in Most Contexts and Its Origin Hasnt a Connection to Slavery | Techrights [20:24] MinceR finally [20:26] techrights-bot Microsoft-connected press pushing hard an anti-Linux angle (non-news, not of interest) to distract from the #Microsoft #Exchange blunder http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148671#comment-28587 truly evil and dnagerous PR tactics http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [20:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Tactics | Tux Machines [20:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [20:29] techrights-bot #LinuxFoundation pushing #fakesecurity ( #monopoly disguised as "security") with help from paid-for media partners http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632#comment-28588 http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ [20:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines [20:30] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [20:31] techrights-bot #MicrosoftTim pushing against the #GPL (which #Microsoft hates) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148518#comment-28589 also see http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/outsourcing-linux-to-microsoft-github/ [20:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 13.0-RC1 Now Available | Tux Machines [20:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Warning: Microsoft Tim and Microsofts New Mole Inside Linux Foundation Board (a Paid-For Seat) Liaise to Outsource Linux Development to Microsofts Proprietary Software Trap | Techrights [20:32] techrights-bot The Fall of #TheRegister http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ [20:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | Techrights [20:33] techrights-bot "You know how these sorts of people like to keep lists? I'm keeping my own list of these productivity-sapping cowards, and I suggest you do to." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1244141-gitlab-will-now-default-to-main-for-new-git-repositories [20:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitLab Will Now Default To "Main" For New Git Repositories - Phoronix Forums [20:33] techrights-bot "Finally. All those billions of projects that were on hold because git wasn't inclusive, can all be unleashed now." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1244141-gitlab-will-now-default-to-main-for-new-git-repositories [20:34] techrights-bot "I'm honestly curious, do these same people believe that "mastering" or "remastering", when it comes to music or film, is also racist language?" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1244141-gitlab-will-now-default-to-main-for-new-git-repositories [20:34] techrights-bot #IBM Fought for Master Race and Now Its Banning the Word 'Master' http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/ [20:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Fought for Master Race and Now Its Banning the Word Master | Techrights [20:35] techrights-bot Lets Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away Peoples Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb in Peace') http://techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/ #IBM #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/ [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lets Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away Peoples Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb in Peace) | Techrights [20:36] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [20:36] techrights-bot "It is not clearer than "master" in the slightest. It is plain and simply a completely useless change without a single upside." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1244141-gitlab-will-now-default-to-main-for-new-git-repositories/page2 [20:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitLab Will Now Default To "Main" For New Git Repositories - Phoronix Forums [20:37] techrights-bot ""main" is Dutch slang for "man". So if you put it like that, only men are allowed to use Git." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1244141-gitlab-will-now-default-to-main-for-new-git-repositories/page2 [20:38] CrystalMath sexist: (noun) A person who believes that bytes should be 6 bits long. See also: octist, nonist. [20:40] techrights-bot Microsoft Insider: #Microsoft is Full of Nationalists and Gun Enthusiasts http://techrights.org/2020/06/17/microsoft-firearms-cult/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/06/17/microsoft-firearms-cult/ [20:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Insider: Microsoft is Full of Nationalists and Gun Enthusiasts | Techrights [20:40] CrystalMath Example sentence: "There is some merit to sexism, as it makes it possible to display each byte as exactly two octal digits." [20:40] schestowitz CrystalMath: ChanServ should be renamed [20:41] CrystalMath why? [20:41] schestowitz It triggers people who were servants [20:41] schestowitz we need an equal society [20:41] schestowitz no more servants [20:41] schestowitz servers to be renamed cloud [20:41] Ariadne are you high [20:41] Ariadne i am just wondering [20:41] schestowitz services are microMains [20:42] schestowitz Ariadne: who? [20:42] schestowitz no, sarcastic [20:42] schestowitz we don't deal with real issues [20:42] schestowitz like companies that kill people [20:42] schestowitz and I was quoting examples of comments [20:43] schestowitz from devs [20:44] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [20:44] techrights-bot NEWS #meduza #ru #russia #energy #Nornickel pays record fine for May 2020 #oilspill in the Russian Arctic https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/03/10/nornickel-pays-record-fine-for-may-2020-oil-spill-in-the-russian-arctic [20:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [20:44] schestowitz vZS1: we need more ipfs pins [20:44] schestowitz we lost some nodes [20:45] vZS1 My server is out of commission right now. I'm busy and can't resume the migration yet [20:45] schestowitz that's OK [20:45] schestowitz thanks for the headsup [20:45] vZS1 Np [20:45] schestowitz in the meantime mine is on [20:45] schestowitz we have a big series going at the moment, and another smaller one [20:45] schestowitz we get more leaks [20:46] vZS1 I'm reading the EPO one rn [20:46] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opxyvcrmwhvgrwjf) has joined #techrights [20:46] schestowitz it'll be about 30 parts [20:47] schestowitz got me overloaded and overburdened today... but now I have a clearer plan of what to publish, how, when... [20:47] schestowitz I also fixed a bug in my ipfs code [20:48] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | Resilient Networks Can Save Lives https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/03/10/resilient-networks-can-save-lives [20:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Resilient Networks Can Save Lives [20:48] vZS1 You should consider uploading your articles to Libgen. That would be a good alternative if the site is down [20:48] schestowitz it would be better off automated [20:48] schestowitz ipfs puts that on many at once [20:48] schestowitz EPO really hates us (the management) [20:48] schestowitz they throw tantrums when we publish [20:49] schestowitz (insiders say) [20:49] DaemonFC[m] "Gun enthusiasts" [20:49] vZS1 Libgen mirrors for you. It's just the initial upload that is manual [20:49] techrights-bot NEWS #meduza #ru #russia March 10, 1991 Snapshots of #Moscow during one of biggest protest rallies in Russias history https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/03/10/march-10-1991 [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [20:49] DaemonFC[m] You mean people in compliance with the laws regarding guns and buying them to protect themselves from the criminals that have them illegally that the useless police won't do anything with. [20:49] schestowitz if it's legal doesn't mean you need to do it [20:50] schestowitz you can also drink every day (booze) [20:50] schestowitz doesn't mean you ought to [20:50] DaemonFC[m] Only the people who are afraid of consequences tend to follow the law, you know. [20:50] DaemonFC[m] That's kind of a higher bar. [20:50] schestowitz 2nd am is divisive [20:50] DaemonFC[m] Most people with gun permits don't use the gun in a crime. [20:50] schestowitz and some suggest abolishing it completely [20:50] *vZS1 has quit (Quit: Quit) [20:50] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: you say that because you carried a gun [20:50] schestowitz until your arrest [20:50] DaemonFC[m] There's very little point in trying to punish criminals other than segregating them from society. [20:51] schestowitz and now you want to buy another pistol [20:51] DaemonFC[m] Their brains aren't wired to appreciate consequences. [20:51] DaemonFC[m] So, very quickly, usually in their 20s, they are either dead, in prison for something, or have a long rap sheet where the prosecutor just kept letting them go. [20:51] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams Lawmakers Introduce Bill to Get Rid of Helms Amendment'A Racist, Colonial Relic' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/10/lawmakers-introduce-bill-get-rid-helms-amendment-racist-colonial-relic [20:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Lawmakers Introduce Bill to Get Rid of Helms Amendment'A Racist, Colonial Relic' | Common Dreams News [20:52] DaemonFC[m] States have done just about everything to "lower recidivism", but really the only way to do it is to not arrest people in the first place and let them get away with crime so that you don't have to count it in the first place. [20:53] DaemonFC[m] Illinois is doing this to make room in the budget for pensions for state "workers" who didn't do anything important when they were employed and certainly don't now. [20:53] techrights-bot Monitor #SpaceX Rocket Launches With Software-Defined Radio | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/03/11/monitor-spacex-rocket-launches-with-software-defined-radio/ #hackaday [20:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monitor SpaceX Rocket Launches With Software-Defined Radio | Hackaday [20:53] DaemonFC[m] That's why they let a convict who raped and murdered a little girl in 1997 out of prison the other day. [20:54] DaemonFC[m] Sent him to live in a halfway house in an entire Chicago neighborhood who is pissed off and, let's be honest, hopes someone kills him outside of the legal system. [20:54] schestowitz vengeance-based systems [20:54] schestowitz +guns [20:54] schestowitz =chicago [20:55] schestowitz good luck [20:55] schestowitz enjoy [20:55] DaemonFC[m] Someone is going to kill this guy and then he'll be dead and everyone will be glad. [20:55] DaemonFC[m] My prediction. [20:55] CrystalMath then i hope someone kills the criminal who kills him [20:55] DaemonFC[m] The state ought to be putting a needle in his arm, instead they let him out into Chicago. [20:55] CrystalMath and the one who kills that other guy [20:55] CrystalMath and the one who kills that other guy [20:55] CrystalMath etc... [20:56] CrystalMath repeat until everyone's dead [20:56] DaemonFC[m] You know where they should move this guy to,. [20:56] CrystalMath i truly wholeheartedly believe he deserves a second chance [20:56] DaemonFC[m] They ought to give him a penthouse suite in one of those condo buildings where the rich white mjg59s live. [20:56] DaemonFC[m] Who voted for this bullshit... [20:56] CrystalMath i would vote for letting people go and giving them a second chance [20:57] DaemonFC[m] They like him, they can have him. It'll never happen. People like this never deal with the consequences of what they vote for. [20:57] CrystalMath i would always vote against vengeance [20:57] CrystalMath people should only be kept in prisons to prevent harm to others, never as revenge [20:57] CrystalMath never because of people who are upset [20:57] techrights-bot The so-called 'Linux' Foundation has just outsourced another project to Microsoft's proprietary software trap. Amazing self-harm. https://linuxfoundation.org/en/blog/new-open-source-project-helps-musicians-jam-together-even-when-theyre-not-together/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | New open source project helps musicians jam together even when theyre not together - Linux Foundation [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [20:57] DaemonFC[m] The politicians only care about being re-elected forever and expanding their own power. [20:57] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:58] DaemonFC[m] How do you do that? Give people free shit you took from a smaller group (so they can't outvote the group getting it), or at least give many no personal stake in the outcome. [20:58] CrystalMath i'm personally truly saddened by the story of Edward Muscare [20:59] techrights-bot #linuxfoundation : we proudly work for militarism, for empire, to help kill people and take their natural/national resources https://linuxfoundation.org/en/blog/how-open-source-communities-are-driving-5gs-future-even-within-a-large-government-like-the-us/ [20:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | How open source communities are driving 5Gs future, even within a large government like the US - Linux Foundation [20:59] mjg59 Again, just going to point out that I spent 5 years living somewhere with 3 times the violent crime rate of Chicago [20:59] *MinceR (mincer@unaffiliated/mincer) has joined #techrights ● Mar 11 [21:00] schestowitz [19:48] NEWS #TruthOut #GOPKKK "Pro-Life" #Texas Lawmaker Introduces Bill Imposing #DeathPenalty for #Abortion https://truthout.org/articles/pro-life-texas-lawmaker-introduces-bill-imposing-death-penalty-for-abortion/ [21:00] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, and voters like you are why. [21:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | "Pro-Life" Texas Lawmaker Introduces Bill Imposing Death Penalty for Abortion [21:00] mjg59 The idea that I'm somehow entirely unaware of reality is unfounded [21:00] mjg59 Yeah, Oakland, that well known refuge of white liberals [21:01] CrystalMath schestowitz: pro-life LOL [21:01] DaemonFC[m] The state overall is. They can dump the undesirables out of prison so they don't pay for their upkeep, and move them in next door to someone like me, where it doesn't affect them any. [21:01] CrystalMath is that something from the onion, or real? [21:02] schestowitz for real [21:02] schestowitz pro-life anti-lockdown [21:02] DaemonFC[m] mjg59: I'm starting to understand why people move to Slab City. [21:02] DaemonFC[m] The government bothers them less there. [21:02] CrystalMath i'm anti-death penalty and pro-choice but also anti-lockdown (or for a lesser lockdown) [21:02] DaemonFC[m] At least there's a bunch of red states buffering us from Texas. [21:03] DaemonFC[m] Maybe more people will get the vaccine in time here. [21:03] CrystalMath i believe SARS-CoV-2 is here to stay, forever, and we must learn to live WITH it, not hide from it [21:04] CrystalMath maybe we could genetically alter it even, to create a safer version which won't kill anyone, then release that [21:04] CrystalMath but some will consider that "unethical" somehow [21:04] Ariadne this group is really starting to become the QAnon of FOSS [21:04] schestowitz it would not eliminate the "bad" one [21:04] CrystalMath instead, it's ethical to arrest people for having fun on new years' eve [21:05] CrystalMath schestowitz: it would, because immunity to one would also work on the other [21:05] CrystalMath it's like a living vaccine [21:05] schestowitz Ariadne: not even remotely similar [21:05] CrystalMath it happens in nature all the time, that's how pandemic flus stop [21:05] Ariadne it is totally similar [21:05] schestowitz because a few people here oppose vaccination [21:05] schestowitz not most [21:05] Ariadne not just that [21:05] schestowitz maybe 1 or 2 [21:06] CrystalMath i don't oppose vaccination in general [21:06] CrystalMath so i don't know who you're talking about [21:06] Ariadne pretty much all the crackpot theories, they've been through the roof since COVID [21:06] schestowitz qanon is total lunacy [21:06] CrystalMath i don't even oppose vaccination against COVID [21:06] schestowitz no need to associate any of us with people who subscribe to bible-connected fiction [21:06] CrystalMath i just say that mRNA vaccines are untested stuff [21:06] CrystalMath there are real alternatives to them, which are available [21:06] Ariadne you don't need to be bible-connected, you've made your own entire mythos [21:06] schestowitz Ariadne: you opposes lockdown [21:06] schestowitz at first [21:07] schestowitz *opposed [21:07] CrystalMath funny, i supported it at first [21:07] schestowitz there is no mythos unless you name it [21:07] schestowitz what we said is very conventional among geeks [21:07] schestowitz not among corporate press [21:07] CrystalMath i thought we can contain the virus and get rid of it like SARS-CoV-1 [21:07] schestowitz because they have another agenda [21:08] Ariadne schestowitz: yes, i am not in favor of lockdowns [21:08] schestowitz ok [21:08] schestowitz some would consider >that> crackpotty [21:08] CrystalMath Ariadne: so what's QAnon-ish about this channel? [21:09] schestowitz I think you misunderstand qanon, I saw those loons in Twitter [21:09] schestowitz world-class lunacy [21:09] Ariadne i understand it just fine [21:09] CrystalMath schestowitz: i have one visit my home, last time she was here she said the real Biden was arrested and this guy you see is an identical double [21:09] schestowitz even worse [21:09] CrystalMath and that the pope has been killed by Trump's deathray or something, and he's also an identical double [21:09] schestowitz they call him pedo and stuff [21:10] schestowitz they call everyone pedo [21:10] schestowitz we, otoh, pursued police records [21:10] schestowitz and we base things on hard facts [21:10] Ariadne you ran a story about a nobody at microsoft having child porn [21:10] schestowitz comparing anyone collectively to qanon takes a lot of burden of proof [21:10] Ariadne i mean, do what you want, but that did not advance software freedom [21:11] schestowitz Ariadne: who? [21:11] schestowitz Microsoft Peter? [21:11] Ariadne yes [21:11] schestowitz He did a lot for them [21:11] schestowitz literally helped groom github for takeover [21:11] schestowitz with scripted stories about git at Microsoft [21:11] schestowitz he wasn't some random person [21:11] schestowitz I ran that story, which was factual [21:11] Ariadne to you, sure, to the general public, no [21:11] schestowitz how is that even qanon [21:11] schestowitz he inserted his dick in little ids [21:11] schestowitz *kids [21:12] schestowitz admitted it on chat [21:12] schestowitz with FBI agent [21:12] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:12] Ariadne what makes it qanon is the hypocrisy [21:12] CrystalMath GNUAnon [21:12] schestowitz oh, please.. [21:12] Ariadne because you slag a microsoft sex offender [21:12] Ariadne but then defend a wikileaks sex offender and a tor sex offender [21:13] schestowitz here we go again [21:13] CrystalMath Ariadne: Assange has never even been accused of anything this serious [21:13] Ariadne if assange worked for microsoft, you would slag him [21:13] Ariadne if applebaum worked for microsoft, you would slag him [21:13] Ariadne i am just saying [21:13] CrystalMath Ariadne: maybe, why not? it's Assange's other actions that make him a hero [21:13] Ariadne but, because they are on the "right team", you do not [21:13] CrystalMath he's not defined by his few faults [21:13] schestowitz this is pointless to even have a chat over, as it presumes I said things I did not [21:14] CrystalMath he's defined by his greatness in other areas [21:14] Ariadne a person is defined by both their virtues *and* faults [21:14] schestowitz and eggs me on to attack wikileaks [21:14] CrystalMath Ariadne: everyone has both, but some how more of one and less of the other [21:14] CrystalMath Assange is more good than bad, while Microsoft Peter (whoever that is) is more bad than good [21:14] Ariadne is he? [21:14] Ariadne that is a subjective comparison [21:14] CrystalMath well i know about Assange for sure [21:14] DaemonFC[m] Indirectly, Wikileaks is responsible for destabilizing western democracies, much of the damage done by the Coronavirus, and creating openings for the Russians and the Chinese Communist Party to take advantage of the chaos. [21:15] techrights-bot #google money in #ScummVM https://www.scummvm.org/news/20210311/ [21:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scummvm.org | ScummVM :: Home [21:15] Ariadne it would be nice to have a techrights that discusses software patents and other tangible attacks on software freedom [21:15] DaemonFC[m] They helped to make it possible for utterly incompetent people like Trump and Boris Johnson to take over and wreck the economy and screw up the handling of the pandemic. [21:15] CrystalMath destabilizing western democracies by showing their people that their governments are the worst scum imaginable [21:15] Ariadne instead of covering rapists [21:15] Ariadne in either a pro or con way [21:15] CrystalMath sounds like it tried to FIX western "democracies" [21:16] Ariadne CrystalMath: a subjective opinion [21:16] MinceR what if rapists conduct attacks on software freedom? are they do be ignored? [21:16] CrystalMath Ariadne: it's not subjective, Chelsea Manning released a video [21:16] CrystalMath Ariadne: there's nothing subjective about america being a criminal piece of crap [21:16] Ariadne MinceR: then cover their attacks on software freedom [21:16] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams Journalist Andrea Sahouri, Arrested at #BlackLivesMatter Protest in Iowa, Found Not Guilty of 'Bogus Charges' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/10/journalist-andrea-sahouri-arrested-black-lives-matter-protest-iowa-found-not-guilty [21:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Journalist Andrea Sahouri, Arrested at Black Lives Matter Protest in Iowa, Found Not Guilty of 'Bogus Charges' | Common Dreams News [21:16] CrystalMath Ariadne: it's an objective fact, every tax dollar you paid was used to murder innocent children, i don't know how you even live with yourself [21:17] MinceR Ariadne: are you saying microsoft peter's attacks on software freedom were not covered? [21:17] CrystalMath Ariadne: if there was justice in the world, every american would be struck down with lightning from the heavens [21:17] schestowitz [21:16] what if rapists conduct attacks on software freedom? are they do be ignored? [21:17] schestowitz it is not that [21:17] MinceR only the americans? [21:17] schestowitz it's the subject being brought up [21:17] Ariadne CrystalMath: "every tax dollar you paid was used to murder innocent children" is exaggerated outrage [21:17] schestowitz to divide and rule [21:18] schestowitz as we've long witnessed [21:18] Ariadne CrystalMath: like every other government, the US has a budget [21:18] schestowitz esp. since the Google troll joined this IRC channel [21:18] DaemonFC[m] "Moderna expects early efficacy data on Covid-19 vaccine booster by May" [21:18] schestowitz to disrupt discussions about topics such as privacy [21:18] schestowitz back doors [21:18] DaemonFC[m] Do we even know that this thing needs a booster at this point? [21:18] schestowitz Wikileaks [21:18] schestowitz they change the subject [21:18] DaemonFC[m] Nobody even knows how long the protection from the original shots lasts. [21:18] DaemonFC[m] Or if they're still acceptable against what versions of the virus. [21:18] MinceR are we to pretend that SJWs that attack software freedom are morally perfect people? [21:18] Ariadne i am pretty sure mjg59's google affiliation has nothing to do with his presence here [21:19] schestowitz Red Hat and Google sponsored him [21:19] Ariadne as i understand it, he is in a relationship with one of the people who ioerror raped [21:19] schestowitz they define him [21:19] Ariadne and does not appreciate your defense of ioerror [21:19] schestowitz I reprinted an article [21:19] schestowitz about debian [21:19] CrystalMath wikileaks did not do enough, but it at least started something [21:19] schestowitz I did not bring this up here [21:19] schestowitz he did [21:19] CrystalMath i hope that the entire west crumbles to dust [21:19] schestowitz to help his war to destpory wikileaks [21:20] schestowitz a longtime arch-enemy of Google [21:20] Ariadne i... do not think he cares about wikileaks [21:20] Ariadne but ok :D [21:20] schestowitz https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ [21:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It Seems [21:20] MinceR CrystalMath: because you'd prefer for vlad to take over the world? [21:20] DaemonFC[m] It's interesting that all of these people said Trump would pardon them and then he didn't. [21:20] MinceR come to hungary, he already owns hungary [21:20] schestowitz MinceR: that's a false dichotomy [21:20] Ariadne you have a world-view that everyone who works for a company buys in 100% on whatever that company's political agenda is [21:20] DaemonFC[m] It was actually Obama that commuted the sentence of Manning. [21:20] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: i said "if" :P [21:20] Ariadne i assure you, that's not reality [21:20] schestowitz playing into this idea that wikileaks if "for russia" [21:21] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: and yeah many were disappointed, but what can you do, Trump's always been a Trump first person after all [21:21] MinceR schestowitz: maybe they shouldn't support russia then [21:21] Ariadne if someone were to read #techrights IRC and only #techrights IRC, they would conclude that microsoft executives are having secret meetings at bill gates mansion with a pedophile to destroy software freedom and GNU/Linux [21:21] MinceR or the Moscovian Candidate [21:21] CrystalMath MinceR: are you sure that it would be Vlad? he'd have to at least split the world with China [21:21] Ariadne which is definitely not true [21:22] schestowitz MinceR: they support Green Party (at least Assange did) [21:22] MinceR CrystalMath: is red china better? [21:22] schestowitz in the US they equate voting Green with "russia" [21:22] Ariadne so yes, i stand by my position that this group is moving down the path to QAnon land [21:22] MinceR schestowitz: so, did the green party win thanks to their actions in 2016? [21:22] schestowitz to keep corporate parties in power [21:22] CrystalMath MinceR: and what about the former west? it could reinvent itself in a different way, which doesn't kill people, and become a third contender (albeit weaker because of all the years building an empire on top of the bodies of innocent children) [21:22] MinceR yes, it could [21:22] schestowitz Ariadne: not even remotely connected [21:22] MinceR but we'd have to kill so many "conservatives" to make that happen... [21:23] schestowitz talking about superpowers and political parties is on topic [21:23] Ariadne sure [21:23] schestowitz and the discussion here has been reasonable [21:23] schestowitz and we come from many places [21:23] Ariadne i'm not sure i agree [21:23] schestowitz Balkan, Hungary, US, UK... [21:24] schestowitz some experiences soviety oppression, some still do [21:24] schestowitz some had the US bomb their country [21:24] CrystalMath some had both [21:24] CrystalMath :P [21:24] schestowitz yeah [21:24] CrystalMath like me [21:24] Ariadne as i said, the average person who reads techrights coverage without reading other coverage would conclude that microsoft executives are having secret meetings with a pedophile in bill gates' mansion [21:24] Ariadne to destroy gnu/linux [21:24] schestowitz no [21:24] schestowitz how they read it is another thing [21:24] schestowitz if their minds are preconditioned [21:24] Ariadne that is how it is presented [21:24] schestowitz I'm not responsible for it [21:24] schestowitz and I wrote a dozen articles to explain that [21:25] schestowitz people who misrepresent the site [21:25] Ariadne the daily mail is not responsible for what it publishes too, i guess [21:25] schestowitz it publishes falsehoods [21:25] schestowitz we do not [21:25] CrystalMath i can imagine it, they all gather, pour children's blood into cups and have a toast to their plans to destroy GNU [21:25] Ariadne a technicality [21:25] schestowitz those are false comparisons [21:25] CrystalMath then they have a typical villian maniacal laugh [21:25] schestowitz like the earlier straw man argument, "work for Microsoft" or "Starve to death" [21:26] Ariadne what you publish is that a microsoft employee did evil things [21:26] Ariadne and then is also a pedophile [21:26] schestowitz CrystalMath: GNU is already harmed [21:26] schestowitz but it carries on [21:26] Ariadne but you wouldn't publish that assange did great things and is a womanizer [21:26] schestowitz because many people care about GNU [21:26] MinceR destroying GNU and Linux is not their endgame [21:26] schestowitz it's the original cornerstone of copyleft [21:26] Ariadne you also wouldn't publish that applebaum did great things and is also accused of being a rapist [21:26] Ariadne its a double standard [21:26] MinceR rather, a global empire where we're all their slaves is [21:26] Ariadne is my point [21:27] schestowitz Ariadne: we cover Microsoft [21:27] CrystalMath Ariadne: i'm sure techrights did news on him [21:27] schestowitz we're a tech site [21:27] schestowitz wikileaks is poltitics [21:27] schestowitz mostly [21:27] CrystalMath Ariadne: about the allegations and his tor work [21:27] schestowitz so why would I cover microsoft more? Because, duh [21:27] Ariadne schestowitz: what does somebody being a pedophile have to do with technology? [21:27] schestowitz we started as a site with a campaign against Microsoft patent blackmail [21:27] schestowitz they still do it [21:27] schestowitz 15 years later [21:27] schestowitz like Foxconn taken to court [21:27] schestowitz over chromeOS [21:28] schestowitz so the issues are not tackled of solved [21:28] schestowitz we now have even more issues [21:28] schestowitz like github [21:28] schestowitz and entryism [21:28] schestowitz LF etc. [21:28] Ariadne how does covering that a microsoft employee is a pedophile solve the foxconn patent trolling issue? [21:28] schestowitz they boost agenda [21:28] schestowitz in the media [21:28] schestowitz I can get you rfes on Microsoft Peter [21:28] schestowitz he was mentioned LOADs of times before the arrest [21:28] Ariadne i can look up his court records [21:28] schestowitz he was here in IRC sometimes [21:29] schestowitz trying to troll us [21:29] schestowitz or muzzle us [21:29] schestowitz Ariadne: go ahead [21:29] schestowitz it's on record [21:29] schestowitz he said gross things in court [21:29] *psydroid thinks that whoever wants to work for Microsoft, should work for them, and that the same thing applies to Google, IBM, Facebook etc. [21:29] schestowitz like "double fisting' [21:29] schestowitz enjoy the reading [21:29] Ariadne so the answer is you don't have an answer for how covering that somebody is a sex offender benefits software freedom, right? [21:29] Ariadne this is what i am trying to get to [21:29] schestowitz it does [21:29] schestowitz it's relevant [21:29] Ariadne why? [21:30] schestowitz because that site crushed [21:30] schestowitz Ars is nearly dead now [21:30] schestowitz many left after this [21:30] schestowitz and Microsoft has a hand in Peter [21:30] schestowitz fiurativelty [21:30] schestowitz for 10 years [21:30] schestowitz the Open Source section there was 100% him [21:30] schestowitz all Microsoft lies [21:30] schestowitz until his arrest [21:30] schestowitz and we captured there [21:30] Ariadne i see [21:30] schestowitz Microsoft's capture of media is on topic [21:31] schestowitz did you know who funded Ars Technica UK? [21:31] schestowitz Microsoft [21:31] schestowitz their editor told me [21:31] schestowitz Sebastian [21:31] schestowitz it collapsed later [21:31] Ariadne yes, that is on topic [21:31] schestowitz we covered that [21:31] Ariadne what i am saying is [21:31] schestowitz we covered MANY things about Peter [21:31] schestowitz many 100 articles mention him [21:31] schestowitz the arrest was reported to me by a Red Hat employee [21:31] schestowitz whom I won't name [21:31] Ariadne you've run numerous stories defending applebaum from rape allegations, but do not extend the same courtesy to the microsoft person [21:31] schestowitz they too had him flagged [21:32] schestowitz I reposted some things about him, yes [21:32] MinceR let microsoft defend him [21:32] schestowitz speak to the author [21:32] schestowitz i resposted almost all his articles [21:32] Ariadne do you understand the dissonance here? [21:32] schestowitz except ones too 'unsavory' to my judgement [21:32] MinceR they're the ones whose narrative is that everyone who disagrees with them is evil [21:32] Ariadne the truth is valuable to you when it is someone you want to attack [21:32] CrystalMath Ariadne: Appelbaum good, Microsoft bad [21:33] schestowitz no [21:33] schestowitz Micrfosoftg on topic [21:33] schestowitz Wikileaks not [21:33] schestowitz we used wikileaks [21:33] MinceR they're the ones who bragged about managing to force a CoC into Linux [21:33] schestowitz for tech only [21:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Cablegate [21:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cablegate - Techrights [21:33] CrystalMath wait why is wikileaks not on topic? they're great [21:33] schestowitz see the trend [21:33] schestowitz articles about tech [21:33] schestowitz mostly microsoft [21:33] Ariadne CrystalMath: applebaum's work is good, applebaum's interpersonal behavior is not [21:33] schestowitz I don't care about the private lives, I need the leaks [21:33] schestowitz the leaked material [21:33] schestowitz so we can see how Gates was attacking OLPC [21:33] schestowitz with his fake 'charity' [21:34] Ariadne if we are criticising a microsoft person for being a pedophile rapist, then we should also criticize applebaum for being a rapist [21:34] schestowitz we're 100% consistent on this [21:34] Ariadne that would be the consistent position [21:34] schestowitz to clarify, we cover tech issues [21:34] CrystalMath Ariadne: are they consistent? [21:34] schestowitz not so much politics, unless it relates to texch [21:34] schestowitz like Trump committing political crimes he planned with Microsoft over the telephone [21:35] schestowitz for financial gain and technical harm [21:35] MinceR Ariadne: only the people microsoft press criticizes for being rapists should be known to be rapists? [21:35] schestowitz totally, 100% on topic [21:35] MinceR (if you can call them "press"...) [21:35] Ariadne MinceR: the stories about applebaum can be easily corroborated [21:35] schestowitz like I said, I'm 100% without regrets on this [21:35] schestowitz we covered what needed to be covered [21:35] MinceR Ariadne: ah, ok, then i guess it's time to give up on free software and see if microsoft will hire us [21:36] schestowitz when we covered elections and suggested voting biden we rationalised re patent law and tech policy [21:36] Ariadne MinceR: no? [21:36] schestowitz I still think we did a good job on key topics [21:36] schestowitz the gates arrest thing relates to the RMS smears [21:36] schestowitz because they coincided in time [21:36] schestowitz as I warned him over email [21:36] schestowitz days before he was smeared in the media [21:37] schestowitz and a week or so after the MIT scandal was all bill gates [21:37] Ariadne the RMS smears happened because RMS decided to make an ass of himself on a mailing list with MIT and Harvard students on it [21:37] schestowitz right now it seems like Microsoft-connected media distracts from Exchange [21:37] schestowitz by attacking Linux [21:37] schestowitz with some phony non-story [21:37] schestowitz No, the RMS angle was promoted at a particular time [21:37] MinceR RMS decided to speak out something non-tech-related [21:38] schestowitz when MIT needed more scapegoating [21:38] schestowitz to protect funding sources and PR [21:38] Ariadne anyway, public leaders should learn the art of shutting the fuck up [21:38] schestowitz MinceR: he always does [21:38] schestowitz every day in his site [21:38] Ariadne there would be far less "canceling" if they would do so [21:38] MinceR and since the redmond mafia were opposed to him, this made it right to cancel him [21:38] schestowitz nothing new [21:38] schestowitz but suddenly it became a bigger issue [21:38] schestowitz [21:38] anyway, public leaders should learn the art of shutting the fuck up [21:38] MinceR but if someone on microsoft's side does something problematic, let's all just stay silent and pretend nothing happened [21:38] schestowitz not a good policy [21:38] MinceR and wait for our turn to be cancelled [21:38] Ariadne microsoft had nothing to do with the students being pissed and that one girl writing a medium post [21:38] schestowitz that's the idea of apathy [21:39] schestowitz "following orders" [21:39] MinceR what could possibly go wrong? [21:39] schestowitz we need more speech, not less [21:39] MinceR yeah, they also had nothing to do about SJW trolls attacking Linux, except when they admitted it [21:39] schestowitz Ariadne: the media that propped up her claims also distorted what he had actually said [21:39] Ariadne freedom of speech does not imply freedom of consequence [21:39] schestowitz and then the anti-RMS camp posted fake door signs and stuff [21:39] MinceR it apparently doesn't imply anything anymore [21:39] Ariadne schestowitz: those signs are real [21:39] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ [21:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake Door Sign Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights [21:39] schestowitz no [21:40] schestowitz they're fake [21:40] schestowitz you fell for it [21:40] Ariadne i've literally been there and seen them [21:40] schestowitz he didn't make them [21:40] schestowitz it was a prank on him [21:40] schestowitz said his female colleague [21:40] schestowitz he removed that [21:40] schestowitz read her [21:40] schestowitz don't get facts from "wteets" [21:40] schestowitz this is why I quit twitter last year [21:40] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ [21:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights [21:41] schestowitz lies travel fast in twitter [21:41] schestowitz and never get deleted/corrected [21:41] Ariadne oh, that sign [21:41] Ariadne yes, that sign is fake [21:41] techrights-bot NEWS #TruthOut While Democrats Pass Stimulus, Republicans Unveil Estate Tax Repeal for Top 0.1% https://truthout.org/articles/while-democrats-pass-stimulus-republicans-unveil-estate-tax-repeal-for-top-0-1/ [21:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | While Democrats Pass Stimulus, Republicans Unveil Estate Tax Repeal for Top 0.1% [21:41] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams Pensioners, Labor Groups Applaud Key $86 Billion Provision in Covid-19 Relief Package https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/10/pensioners-labor-groups-applaud-key-86-billion-provision-covid-19-relief-package [21:41] Ariadne but it is not fake that women in the MIT and Harvard community avoided RMS [21:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Pensioners, Labor Groups Applaud Key $86 Billion Provision in Covid-19 Relief Package | Common Dreams News [21:41] Ariadne that is 100% true [21:41] schestowitz they had a run on him in 2009 [21:41] schestowitz with the "emacs virgin" thing [21:42] schestowitz virgins can be male [21:42] schestowitz it's always a bunch of baloney [21:42] schestowitz they just don't like his views on things [21:42] schestowitz and want to create a vacuum [21:42] schestowitz not atypical [21:42] schestowitz this is why many people still feel angry at FSF [21:42] schestowitz and seek to correct an injustice [21:43] schestowitz [21:41] but it is not fake that women in the MIT and Harvard community avoided RMS [21:43] schestowitz that doesn't mean much [21:43] schestowitz many people can avoid me also [21:43] schestowitz doesn't say much about me [21:43] schestowitz odd angle of accusation [21:43] MinceR i avoid some people also, and that has no effect either [21:43] schestowitz "he looked at me funny" [21:43] schestowitz as cops like to say about blacks [21:43] schestowitz "he walked awkward" [21:44] Ariadne i see [21:44] schestowitz "smelled funny" [21:44] MinceR other people deserve special rights, we do not [21:44] MinceR apparently [21:44] schestowitz maybe RMS has reasons to be disliked [21:44] schestowitz but so does everyone [21:44] schestowitz we need to view people as fellow humans [21:44] schestowitz and motivations matter [21:45] schestowitz truth does, too [21:45] schestowitz to profit some people lie [21:45] schestowitz to us, to themselves [21:45] schestowitz and deny others their freedom to make a buck [21:45] Ariadne so reporting that one person is a pedophile rapist, while not reporting that another person is a rapist accomplishes this how? [21:45] schestowitz sweatshop, sabotage of projects etc. [21:45] MinceR apparently the only thing that matters anymore is who can cancel or otherwise harm other people [21:45] schestowitz those of us with more compassion would not do that [21:45] schestowitz as it leads to guilt [21:45] MinceR "consequences" [21:45] schestowitz some people blocked out guilt [21:45] schestowitz so they destroy society for gain [21:46] schestowitz Ariadne: you change the subject to something old [21:46] Ariadne what about compassion for the people ioerror raped? [21:46] schestowitz and a strawman argument [21:46] schestowitz it's being brought up all the time not by us [21:46] schestowitz because pocock correctly pointed us that zini said to the media something false [21:46] schestowitz on behalf of debian project [21:46] schestowitz I'm not Daniel [21:46] Ariadne it is brought up by you when you republish materials defending ioerror [21:46] schestowitz I'm Roy [21:46] MinceR Ariadne: cancel them too [21:47] MinceR call it "consequences" [21:47] schestowitz and I agree with Daniel on most things [21:47] schestowitz MinceR: we need leeway for free speech [21:47] schestowitz Daniel was denied a voice [21:47] schestowitz not because of crimes [21:47] schestowitz but because at FSFE he was honest to Fellows [21:47] schestowitz who elected him for it [21:47] MinceR too bad [21:47] MinceR we don't get that [21:47] schestowitz as they had paid a portion of their salary [21:48] schestowitz to a body steered by Google et al [21:48] MinceR we get quote mined and cancelled [21:48] MinceR that is our lot [21:48] schestowitz and later at Debian the admins hide a $300,000 payment from Google [21:48] schestowitz he knows Google very well [21:48] psydroid a modern disease that sadly pervades our societies these days, what is the solution? a giant meteor to hit us and clean up the mess that has been created? [21:48] schestowitz he volunteered to mentor in GSOC for many years [21:48] Ariadne so [21:48] Ariadne again [21:48] schestowitz and I want to hear what he saw there [21:48] schestowitz it's important [21:48] Ariadne what about compassion for the FREE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS that ioerror raped [21:48] schestowitz as many things aren't what they seem from the company's lens [21:48] MinceR psydroid: yes, or a gamma ray burst [21:49] schestowitz Ariadne: it's cyclic [21:49] MinceR humanity won't save itself, so it can't be saved [21:49] schestowitz I'm not with a burden to defend Appelbaum [21:49] MinceR maybe intelligent life gets another chance to evolve here [21:49] schestowitz it's like 'when did you stop beating up your wwife..." [21:49] schestowitz I won't even respond to such a question [21:50] schestowitz MinceR: that is part of the isue [21:50] schestowitz overstretching [21:50] schestowitz an issue broader than software [21:50] schestowitz some people have 6 aircrafts [21:50] schestowitz 4 jets [21:50] schestowitz and lecture us on climate change [21:50] MinceR i don't take issue with that [21:50] schestowitz that relates to tech [21:50] MinceR i take issue with whom they defrauded to get that [21:50] schestowitz because those same people attack us [21:51] schestowitz people who break things [21:51] schestowitz to get richer [21:51] schestowitz and then lecture us [21:51] Ariadne well, my thing is simple, some of the people who were raped by ioerror are friends of mine [21:51] schestowitz because 'good at stealing" is smart when you also pay the media [21:51] schestowitz Ariadne: so speak to Daniel [21:51] Ariadne so yes, i would like to see him no longer in the free software community, since he is a predator [21:51] schestowitz or to Zini [21:51] Ariadne i consider this a feature, not a bug [21:51] schestowitz I never defended him [21:52] schestowitz you won't find an article about him [21:52] schestowitz in techrights [21:52] MinceR i wouldn't worry about that [21:52] MinceR there won't be a "free software community" for long [21:52] schestowitz it would be off topic too [21:52] schestowitz there is [21:52] mjg59 schestowitz: You keep suggesting that criticism of Jake was motivated by politics [21:52] schestowitz but it's getting attacked [21:52] MinceR yes, for now [21:52] schestowitz divide and rule is one tactic [21:52] schestowitz it can be done by social engineering [21:52] mjg59 schestowitz: In doing so, you imply that that criticism is invalid [21:52] schestowitz e.g. bsd vs gpl [21:52] MinceR it's self-destructing already [21:52] mjg59 schestowitz: It is *absolutely* you defending him [21:52] schestowitz fake ethics versus software freedom [21:53] schestowitz the british empire used those tactics [21:53] MinceR people inside the community believe microshit's lies about how microshit is on their side [21:53] mjg59 schestowitz: What I criticised was not Daniel's article, it was your framing of Daniel's article [21:53] schestowitz MinceR: some, not all [21:53] schestowitz but then you rebut [21:53] schestowitz eg. in techrights [21:53] schestowitz and they see evidence that the media is just paid to lie aagin [21:54] schestowitz and then they get on with the real program, not corporate propaganda [21:54] Ariadne http://techrights.org/2021/01/27/what-justice-looks-like/ [21:54] schestowitz like the like that VS is not "open" [21:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Showing Solidarity With FSFE Survivors | Techrights [21:54] Ariadne you literally defend applebaum here [21:54] schestowitz Ariadne: ?? [21:54] schestowitz not my article [21:54] schestowitz holy crap [21:55] mjg59 Not your article, but an article you chose to publish [21:55] schestowitz guilt by association, where "guilt" means not denying someone an (as usual) repost, is a low blow. [21:55] Ariadne oh, i see, written by "Guest Editorial Team" [21:55] schestowitz yes [21:55] schestowitz for a reason [21:55] Ariadne but you published it anyway [21:55] schestowitz judge me by what I say [21:55] mjg59 The reason being? [21:55] schestowitz even in IRC [21:55] schestowitz Ariadne: I always do [21:56] schestowitz to not publish would be borderline censorship [21:56] mjg59 Oh cool! [21:56] schestowitz and we publish views of many [21:56] mjg59 schestowitz: You'll publish anything I write, then? [21:56] schestowitz even RMS defended us [21:56] schestowitz this year [21:56] Ariadne ioerror has a history of predating on *free software developers*, some of which have decided to stop developing free software as a result of their experiences [21:56] schestowitz by saying that even newspaper publish diverse viewpoints [21:56] schestowitz and here again we talk about someone I never met [21:56] schestowitz and whom I barely know [21:57] schestowitz see ya guys later [21:57] schestowitz I need to post Daily Links [21:57] schestowitz not deal with "did you stop beating up your wife?" mob [21:57] Ariadne by choosing to publish articles written by guest contributors defending ioerror, you are actively harming software freedom [21:57] Ariadne because it demotivates people who are doing the actual work of writing the code [21:57] Ariadne because they do not wish to be in the same community as a rapist [21:59] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to MinceR [21:59] mjg59 Ariadne: Especially one who is defended by many other members of that community ● Mar 11 [22:00] mjg59 Anyway, looking forward to writing something to get published on Techrights! [22:02] MinceR what will it be about? will it be about how everybody who wants to have control about what runs on their own computers are rapists? [22:02] techrights-bot LF and #Openwashing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148706 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LF and Openwashing | Tux Machines [22:02] psydroid maybe a non-rapist free software community can be set up alongside a rapist free software community, so everyone can contribute regardless of their preferences [22:03] MinceR maybe we could also have a non-SJW non-megacorporate free software community too [22:03] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148707 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:03] psydroid yes, I am all for that [22:04] mjg59 psydroid: Given that most people aren't rapists, the easiest way to achieve that seems to be to remove the rapists from the existing free software community and let them set up their own [22:08] Ariadne anyway, it is increasingly frustrating to me that techrights continues to disseminate content which defends somebody who raped my friends [22:09] techrights-bot #GNULinux Devices and #OpenHardware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148708 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux Devices and Open Hardware | Tux Machines [22:09] Ariadne i believe in freedom of speech, but at the same time, i am growing very tired about it [22:09] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148709 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [22:15] techrights-bot Links 11/3/2021: #MediaGoblin 0.11.0, #OVHcloud Evaporated in #Strasbourg http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/mediagoblin-0-11-0/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/11/mediagoblin-0-11-0/ [22:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 11/3/2021: MediaGoblin 0.11.0, OVHcloud Evaporated in Strasbourg | Techrights [22:18] psydroid while I don't condone his behaviour if it is true, I hate the fact that all of these things are weaponised when the focus should be on software freedom and engineering [22:18] techrights-bot #Security updates for Thursday https://lwn.net/Articles/849088/rss [22:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Security updates for Thursday [LWN.net] [22:19] psydroid maybe we are long past the point of no return [22:20] techrights-bot #AsahiLinux Progress Report: January / February 2021 https://asahilinux.org/2021/03/progress-report-january-february-2021/ #gnu #linux [22:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-asahilinux.org | Progress Report: January / February 2021 - Asahi Linux [22:20] vmg3 freedom of speech is a minefield, something i believed in, then you see what some people do with. meh, should there be a respect clause? [22:21] techrights-bot What Is #LVFS and How Do I Use It? - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/what-is-lvfs/ #maketecheasier | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/11/#latest [22:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | What Is LVFS and How Do I Use It? - Make Tech Easier [22:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [22:25] Ariadne psydroid: this is my point precisely: why cover this stuff at all? it is not a win-win, it is a lose-lose. [22:26] techrights-bot Copy Files And Create Target Directories At The Same Time - OSTechNix https://ostechnix.com/copy-files-and-create-target-directories-at-the-same-time/ #OSTechNix #GNU #Linux [22:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Copy Files And Create Target Directories At The Same Time - OSTechNix [22:26] techrights-bot Setting up your Linux OS for productive work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148710 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Setting up your Linux OS for productive work | Tux Machines [22:27] techrights-bot A Quick Introduction To #fzf (Interactive Command-Line Fuzzy Finder) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148711 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Quick Introduction To fzf (Interactive Command-Line Fuzzy Finder) | Tux Machines [22:27] vmg3 assange was never even charged by the way, just wanted for questioning [22:27] Ariadne i'm focusing on applebaum [22:28] Ariadne but assange was known in indymedia community to be a womanizer (: [22:28] vmg3 Ariadne: yeah not my area sorry [22:28] vmg3 yeah so was half of hollywood [22:28] vmg3 clark gable a tasmanian hero and icon [22:28] Ariadne half of hollywood did not participate in indymedia [22:28] Ariadne :P [22:28] techrights-bot Sometimes your acronyms and buzzwords sound so awful that you need iodine :-) https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/managed-cloud-hosting-paas-giveaway/ [22:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Managed Cloud Hosting (PaaS) Giveaway - RoseHosting [22:29] vmg3 I was just exercising my opinion [22:30] vmg3 tricky area [22:30] schestowitz Most of them are also "carny" [22:30] Ariadne it's not tricky. stop publishing articles discussing applebaum [22:30] Ariadne pocock has his own website [22:30] vmg3 when i did FB and their groups I'd find myself being sucked into rw groups [22:30] MinceR is womanizing a cancelworthy offense? [22:31] Ariadne MinceR: if the womanizing turns to rape, sure [22:31] MinceR whom did assange rape? [22:31] Ariadne i don't know, and thus i am not going to comment on hypotheticals [22:32] Ariadne in case you did not know, i only comment on things i have some amount of knowledge about [22:32] vmg3 schestowitz: liked your comment about "humans" earlier thats where people go wrong most times [22:32] techrights-bot "By default, openSUSE Leap 15.x is using the firewalld firewall implementation (and the firewalld backend is using iptables under the hood)." https://progress.opensuse.org/news/112 [22:32] Ariadne i can corroborate the applebaum accusations, but not anything against assange [22:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-progress.opensuse.org | Playing along with NFTables - openSUSE admin - openSUSE Project Management Tool [22:33] techrights-bot ASCII Table Hex to #ASCII Value Character Code Chart https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/ascii-table-hex-to-ascii-value-character-code-chart-2/ #freecodecamp [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freecodecamp.org | ASCII Table Hex to ASCII Value Character Code Chart [22:34] Ariadne at least one of the accusers is an alpine contributor [22:34] Ariadne sooooo [22:35] vmg3 I can understand the frustration when you know people first hand [22:36] techrights-bot Do we really want to attach cameras that a device that spies for #microsoft (because Microsoft pays for that?) https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/11/thine-raspberry-pi-camera-extension-kit-works-with-20-meter-lan-cables/ http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/raspberry-pi-making-things-worse/ [22:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | THine Raspberry Pi camera extension kit works with 20-meter LAN cables [22:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Than a Fortnight After Installing Microsoft Surveillance and Keys on Millions of Computers Without Users Consent the Spin Comes From the Raspberry Pi Company (via Microsoft) | Techrights [22:36] Ariadne well, bluntly, that frustration is starting to turn into a desire to type in "int vl 214; shut" into the router [22:38] Ariadne but that too (disabling the techrights vlan), harms software freedom [22:38] vmg3 sorry to hear [22:38] vmg3 yeah [22:39] vmg3 as you get older to views change too [22:39] vmg3 more conservitive [22:40] techrights-bot An open approach to recovering from burnout https://opensource.com/open-organization/21/3/open-approach-burnout [22:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open approach to recovering from burnout | Opensource.com [22:42] schestowitz every 2 people on this planet will always not be 100% in cohesion [22:42] schestowitz we make the planet better by learning to get along with differences on minor things [22:42] vmg3 we need to flesh out the things we dont understand [22:42] Ariadne i cannot get along with a defense of somebody who raped friends of mine [22:43] Ariadne that is the boundary i cannot live with [22:43] schestowitz that is not even a disagreement with me [22:43] schestowitz but with Daniel Pocock [22:43] techrights-bot 4 questions for the #OSI board of directors candidates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148712 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4 questions for the OSI board of directors candidates | Tux Machines [22:43] Ariadne indeed [22:44] vmg3 I'm not the shapest tool in the shed, but can see opensource is under attack [22:44] Ariadne but techrights could be more sympathetic towards the free software developers raped by ioerror [22:44] schestowitz let's let some time pass, Ariadne, and we can talk off-channel [22:44] schestowitz to clarify my positions [22:44] schestowitz there is at least one person parked here in IRC for the sole purpose of attacking me [22:44] Ariadne to be clear, i agree with some things pocock has said [22:45] schestowitz by intentionally distorting my views [22:45] Ariadne but i do not agree with his defense of ioerror. it is a feature, not a bug, that ioerror is now excluded from the free software community. [22:45] schestowitz Ariadne: yes, I will try to bear all this in mind [22:45] schestowitz thanks for clatifying [22:45] schestowitz *clarifying [22:45] schestowitz people's opinions change over time [22:45] schestowitz based on new info [22:46] Ariadne i have held the opinion that ioerror is a rapist since 2014 when my friends started to complain about being molested. [22:46] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148713 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [22:46] Ariadne which predates the website [22:47] schestowitz thanks for letting me know [22:47] schestowitz as I hadn't heard that before [22:47] Ariadne i believe it is harmful to software freedom to diseminate materials which defend rapists [22:47] schestowitz i got worse feedback [22:47] Ariadne especially rapists of people who work on free software [22:47] schestowitz about articles from another guest author [22:48] schestowitz RMS defended me this yeasr [22:48] schestowitz because he explained that you cannot hold editors accountable for every small thing showing up in a paper [22:48] schestowitz otherwise it's authoritarian (editorial control I think is what they call it formally) [22:48] Ariadne if you are a free software contributor who has been raped by ioerror, and you see the activist wing of the community rally behind ioerror and call the whole thing "cancel culture", you would want to quit developing free software [22:49] schestowitz for 6 months I didn't ban a troll from IRC [22:49] schestowitz who only ever pounced to attack me [22:49] schestowitz and the community here [22:49] MinceR and that was your mistake :> [22:49] Ariadne i am here for software freedom. i provide infrastructure to techrights for software freedom. [22:49] schestowitz Ariadne: I didn't defend him [22:49] schestowitz it's an indirection on two levels [22:49] DaemonFC[m] Mandy's HR person tried to screw him out of his sick pay for the COVID shot. [22:50] schestowitz I did not even reprint anything from someone accused of sexual misbaheaviour [22:50] Ariadne i know, but syndicating content which defends him can be seen as solidarity with that defense [22:50] MinceR on this planet, no good deed goes unpunished [22:50] Ariadne in indymedia we had to deal with this sort of thing a lot [22:50] DaemonFC[m] I had to go talk to his boss, and show him the policy. He said Mandy was the first person at the store to get the second dose so it hasn't come up until now. [22:50] schestowitz many layers of guilt by association here [22:50] psydroid is a certain troll banned now? [22:50] Ariadne (by the way the applebaum rape allegations go back even farther in indymedia) [22:50] MinceR no, they're still here [22:50] schestowitz psydroid: no, we don't ban [22:50] schestowitz unless it's spam [22:50] Ariadne anarchists unfortunately do not like to call the police [22:50] schestowitz like people posting links to malicious sites of flooding with pharma spam [22:51] DaemonFC[m] Experience, perhaps. [22:51] Ariadne yes, definitely :) [22:51] schestowitz this channel is 13 years old [22:51] schestowitz techrights gave a voice to thousands for 15 years [22:51] schestowitz many of whom brave insiders in places [22:51] schestowitz I don't always agree with what I publish [22:51] schestowitz but i press publish [22:51] Ariadne yes, and i have no issue with that. i do have issue with applebaum defense. [22:51] DaemonFC[m] Nobody who gets on the wrong side of the police wants anything to do with them again, even if they're the victim. [22:52] schestowitz that might not be everybody's cup of tea [22:52] DaemonFC[m] The cops will either do nothing for them, and that's if they're lucky, or cause a problem that didn't exist before. [22:52] vmg3 FTP [22:52] schestowitz Ariadne: btw, it's 'appelbaum" [22:52] Ariadne yes, appelbaum [22:52] schestowitz never met him [22:52] schestowitz never spoke to him [22:52] DaemonFC[m] Ask Ian Murdock, oh wait.... [22:52] schestowitz please give up on that notion [22:52] Ariadne his name gets typo'd a lot [22:52] schestowitz yes [22:52] schestowitz no wonder [22:53] schestowitz and the typos get copies [22:53] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: Murdoch :-) [22:53] schestowitz not the same [22:53] schestowitz bbiab [22:53] vmg3 easy to join the wrong dots [22:53] schestowitz need to post some urgent artifcle [22:53] psydroid why appelbaum, though? [22:53] Ariadne but i can corroborate many of the claims against ioerror, and i know mjg59 can corroborate at least one [22:53] schestowitz bbiab [22:53] DaemonFC[m] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock [22:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ian Murdock - Wikipedia [22:53] Ariadne because he is literally in a relationship with one of the accusers who went public [22:53] psydroid is that some kind of dialect? [22:54] Ariadne he is not a good person. he did good work, but he has hurt a lot of people [22:54] DaemonFC[m] There was more to that than we'll ever know. [22:54] psydroid apfel + baum [22:54] Ariadne and i believe allowing that harm to perpetuate in the free software community is harmful to free software [22:54] psydroid appel + boom [22:54] DaemonFC[m] Also, remember that he had plenty of money to fight the charges with and settle for something else, and wouldn't have been badly damaged and homeless. [22:54] DaemonFC[m] Unlike me. [22:54] Ariadne it has caused at least a few free software developers to quit [22:55] Ariadne and if you don't have maintainers with domain expertise, then there's no point in talking about anything else [22:55] DaemonFC[m] Rich people have the luxury that even if the cops make a problem for them, a criminal record isn't preventing them from getting a job at Walmart, which might be the only place hiring at their education level, and that they're not in immediate trouble of running out of money in the bank. [22:55] Old_Man You will probably want to *not* cite mjg59, though, as he has developed a reputation for just making up false accusations according to his brainwashing cult. [22:56] Ariadne cite whoever you want to cite [22:56] DaemonFC[m] So even if they get convicted of something, it's almost like a joke. Even if it's raping kids, rich people smirk while they're doing whatever nominal "punishment" they got from the court. [22:56] Ariadne ioerror has done harm to many people in free software [22:56] Ariadne i stand by it [22:56] techrights-bot #Intel Sends Out New Linux Driver Patches For "XE_LPD" v13 Display Hardware - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-XE_LPD-Linux-Patches #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [22:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Sends Out New Linux Driver Patches For "XE_LPD" v13 Display Hardware - Phoronix [22:56] Old_Man For those of us unaware: was there ever a trial? [22:56] Ariadne i also stand by the assertion that those harms have caused general harm to free software as well in the form of brain drain [22:57] Ariadne Old_Man: anarchists rarely call the police [22:57] techrights-bot #Freedreno #Gallium3D Adds Threaded Context Support - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Freedreno-Threaded-Ctx #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [22:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Freedreno Gallium3D Adds Threaded Context Support - Phoronix [22:57] DaemonFC[m] Trial by media? Trial by public opinion? [22:57] DaemonFC[m] That's usually the aim of spurious allegations that never go to trial. [22:58] Old_Man That's why I ask. If there had been a trial, what evidence would have been presented? [22:58] DaemonFC[m] The damage is done. Just accuse someone of rape these days and if they don't have a really convincing defense, that's all you need. [22:58] MinceR https://www.oglaf.com/genesis-41/ [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oglaf.com | Genesis 41 [22:58] techrights-bot #ibm : pay us money to sort out for you our software bugs https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/simplify-troubleshooting-rhel-system-configurations-red-hat-insights-drift-service [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Simplify troubleshooting RHEL system configurations with Red Hat Insights Drift service [22:58] DaemonFC[m] One of my exes was talking to another ex (horror of horrors, right?). [22:59] DaemonFC[m] Accused me of rape. The other ex laughed like, "He wouldn't do that. I know him better than that.". [22:59] techrights-bot "The Fedora Mobility SIG is working to get #Fedora Linux working on mobile device. This includes the #PinePhone , a smartphone built with open hardware." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/matrix-video-calls-pinephone/ #gnu #linux [22:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | "Houston, we have video": Matrix video calls on the PinePhone Fedora Community Blog [22:59] DaemonFC[m] Like, just slinging mud to see what sticks on the way out. [22:59] DaemonFC[m] Poisoning the well. ● Mar 11 [23:00] Ariadne DaemonFC[m]: the purpose of the website about ioerror was meant to be an intervention. there was a possible outcome where issues got worked out and applebaum remained a member of the free software community [23:00] DaemonFC[m] Indiana isn't one of those have sex and you regret it later = rape states anyway like they are on the left coast. [23:01] Ariadne that is not what the allegations against ioerror were [23:01] DaemonFC[m] I must be missing something here. [23:01] DaemonFC[m] All I'm saying is anyone can be accused of anything. [23:02] DaemonFC[m] Even with a trial you don't know that the finding wasn't seriously flawed. [23:02] Ariadne sure, which is why allegations must be corroborated [23:02] DaemonFC[m] That's how the system claims to work. [23:03] techrights-bot " #Microsoft announced that its widely used email server program had been hacked" https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/really-messy-hack-microsofts-email-system-getting-worse-rcna377 then used #racism to deflect blame http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [23:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | 'Really messy': Why the hack of Microsoft's email system is getting worse [23:03] DaemonFC[m] But there are certain crimes where the allegations are enough. The jury is decided the minute the charges are read. [23:03] Ariadne in this case, it is very easy to find people who can corroborate the claims against ioerror [23:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [23:03] DaemonFC[m] You're toast. [23:03] Ariadne yes, this is why the squad decided to not involve the police [23:03] vmg3 kryptonite, it gets used against us [23:04] mjg59 schestowitz: You *have* defended Jake. Your repeated claims that you haven't are just untrue. [23:04] techrights-bot Later on #GAFAM wonder why people beat up Asian-Americans... when it's them who whip-up the violence. The corporations and their media. [23:04] mjg59 schestowitz: When you undermine credibility of accusations against him by suggesting that they're politically motivated, that's you defending him. [23:05] techrights-bot 2014: #NSA Cracked and Spied on #Huawei , #Snowden Documents Say https://mashable.com/2014/03/22/nsa-huawei/ #espionage [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | NSA Hacked and Spied on Huawei, Snowden Documents Say [23:08] techrights-bot #suse cannot criticise #google ... because, as usual, it takes #surveillanceCapitalism bucks... #espionage begets hush money (ask #mozilla about Google antitrust) https://news.opensuse.org/2021/03/11/opensuse-project-selected-for-gsoc-mentoring/ [23:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | openSUSE Project Selected for Google Summer of Code Mentoring - openSUSE News [23:08] Ariadne what mjg59 said [23:09] techrights-bot #Crowbits Master Kit Review - Part 1: A first look at the ESP32 based education kit https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/11/crowbits-master-kit-review-esp32-based-education-kit/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware [23:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Crowbits Master Kit Review - Part 1: A first look at the ESP32 based education kit [23:11] techrights-bot #LibreOffice Templates- ftw! https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2021/03/11/templates-ftw/ [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-design.blog.documentfoundation.org | Templates- ftw! - LibreOffice Design Team [23:11] CrystalMath Ariadne: you have provided very little evidence that ioerror is actually a rapist; the possiblity that all that stuff i made up is still there [23:12] CrystalMath i'm sorry if that upsets you, i understand that if you have seen something, it's very frustrating when people don't believe you [23:12] CrystalMath but also you must know that people can't believe stuff without proof [23:12] techrights-bot #Flatery A Nifty Flat Style Icon Theme for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148714 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Flatery A Nifty Flat Style Icon Theme for Linux | Tux Machines [23:12] Ariadne CrystalMath: the point of the exercise was not to get ioerror expelled from debian or anything else [23:12] Ariadne CrystalMath: the point was to get ioerror to understand that he had violated boundaries, reflect on that, and change his ways [23:12] CrystalMath i'm more referring to your attack on techrights for defending him [23:13] CrystalMath you already explained the website to me [23:13] CrystalMath but now i'm explaining techrights [23:13] Ariadne you might want to not explain techrights to somebody who is very tired and can just turn the vlan off [23:13] CrystalMath it has to operate as if Appelbaum is innocent, because he has not been proven guilty [23:13] Ariadne it can choose to not cover ioerror at all [23:14] mjg59 CrystalMath: So it's inappropriate for Roy to accuse me of illegal acts without there having been a trial? [23:14] techrights-bot Outsourcing personal files to #surveillance companies is contrary to the goals of #freesw https://cubiclenate.com/2021/03/11/insync-google-drive-onedrive-sync-client-opensuse/ [23:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Insync | Google Drive and OneDrive Sync Client on openSUSE CubicleNate's Techpad [23:14] CrystalMath Ariadne: but what if it wants to cover the fact that people are expelling him without evidence? [23:14] Ariadne it covered the fact that daniel pocock believes so [23:14] mjg59 CrystalMath: What do you mean, without evidence? [23:14] CrystalMath Ariadne: i'm not inside Roy's head, but i'm upset by people not following the principle of the presumption of innocence more than anything else [23:15] Ariadne and many debian developers are also friends of mine, to the point that i hear about all of the gossip on debian-private [23:15] CrystalMath mjg59: i can't really explain everything Roy says [23:15] Ariadne (this should not be surprising, considering alpine came from people who wanted to do debian better) [23:16] CrystalMath mjg59: personally i don't think it's certain that you were paid by Google to say this stuff [23:16] mjg59 CrystalMath: I'm still saying it and Google aren't paying me any more [23:16] CrystalMath so i actually assume it's not true [23:16] techrights-bot #W3C Prepares Guidance For Web Development In A Post-Spectre World https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=W3C-Spectre-Web-Guidance [23:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-W3C Prepares Guidance For Web Development In A Post-Spectre World - Phoronix [23:17] schestowitz techrighrs published almost 30,000 blog posts [23:17] schestowitz everyone can misunderstand or disagree with one of them [23:17] mjg59 schestowitz: Will you publish an article I write? [23:17] mjg59 It will be focused on free software communities [23:17] techrights-bot #LLVM 12.0 Should Be Released Soon Following RC3 Release https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-12.0-RC3-Released [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LLVM 12.0 Should Be Released Soon Following RC3 Release - Phoronix [23:18] schestowitz mjg59: no, because you have been here to troll for 6 months [23:18] schestowitz pure trolling [23:18] schestowitz your existence here is thinly disguised as something elese [23:18] CrystalMath if it was me i would publish it if the article is good and fits the theme [23:18] Ariadne what if the article is factually accurate [23:18] schestowitz That I've tolerated you for this long speaks favourable of me and us [23:18] CrystalMath but doesn't mjg59 have a blog already? [23:19] schestowitz bbib [23:19] CrystalMath Ariadne: i would still decline it if it doesn't further the idea of tech freedom [23:19] schestowitz I start work 1am-9am [23:19] schestowitz will need lots of coffee [23:19] CrystalMath Ariadne: like, no matter how much evidence you have that people should be spied on, i will always reject it [23:19] CrystalMath freedom is not negotiable [23:19] CrystalMath and privacy is not negotiable [23:20] mjg59 CrystalMath: I do, just as Daniel does [23:20] mjg59 Well. Daniel actually seems to have at least three. [23:20] CrystalMath to me, those are absolutes, i will take my hardcore beliefs in freedom and privacy to my grave [23:20] CrystalMath but i'm not schestowitz and i don't decide what techrights publishes [23:21] vmg3 Australia has been keeping all metadata for years, the data points would be an amazing example of an invasion of privacy [23:21] CrystalMath mjg59: i remember the one where you said free software should embrace ethical licenses made my blood boil, but the rest were okay [23:21] techrights-bot #linux #kernel Lockless patterns: relaxed access and partial memory barriers https://lwn.net/Articles/846700/ [23:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lockless patterns: relaxed access and partial memory barriers [LWN.net] [23:22] Ariadne CrystalMath: you are aware that the goal of the ethical licenses are to protect your freedom and privacy, right? [23:22] Ariadne that said, i do not think ethical licenses will work [23:22] CrystalMath Ariadne: i can't imagine someone intelligent actually writing that with such a goal [23:22] mjg59 CrystalMath: Oh! I never said that, though? [23:22] CrystalMath so i presume it's a conspiracy [23:22] techrights-bot #Fedora and fallback #DNS servers https://lwn.net/Articles/847257/ #redhat #ibm [23:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora and fallback DNS servers [LWN.net] [23:23] Ariadne the current licenses are written by people with good intentions, but poor legal knowledge [23:23] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [23:23] mjg59 CrystalMath: At least, I didn't intend to - I don't think that the licenses the ethical license movement are currently writing are viable [23:23] Ariadne ^ [23:23] Ariadne basically, that [23:24] mjg59 CrystalMath: But I think an outright rejection of their concerns results in the free software movement looking like it doesn't care about concerns that a large number of potential members have [23:24] techrights-bot This, to me, still looks like #ibm re-engineering everything in #gnu #linux for (almost) the sole purpose of monopolising and selling support contracts https://lwn.net/Articles/847412/ [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PipeWire: The Linux audio/video bus [LWN.net] [23:24] CrystalMath https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/52907.html [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Do we need to rethink what free software is? [23:24] Ariadne as for Zini misrepresenting the position of the Debian DAM team on ioerror, it is unfortunate, but does not actually change the fact ioerror harmed people [23:24] mjg59 CrystalMath: Right, that's me attempting to explain *why* people care about ethical licenses [23:25] mjg59 And why I think many of their concerns are reasonable [23:25] Ariadne yes but not an actual endorsement of the concept [23:25] CrystalMath but to me the idea of free software is neutralizing software, taking power AWAY from the programmer [23:25] CrystalMath i view te programmers as the oppressors [23:25] CrystalMath and the users as the oppressed [23:25] CrystalMath s/te/the/ [23:26] Ariadne how many times did you watch TRON? [23:26] CrystalMath i never watched Tron [23:26] mjg59 How do you make use of the freedoms free software gives you without either being a programmer yourself or relying on the work of programmers? [23:26] CrystalMath well, power is taking away from the original programmers / the copyright holders [23:26] CrystalMath *taken away [23:27] CrystalMath it gets diluted, although it's still not eliminated [23:27] mjg59 So would you say that free software should empower people who don't otherwise have power? [23:27] Ariadne i mean, i can run whatever code i want on my machines, so i would say i have total power there [23:27] CrystalMath mjg59: well it does [23:28] CrystalMath the preamble of the GPL explains it [23:28] mjg59 CrystalMath: In most cases, sure. So, here's an example - if free software makes it cheaper to manufacture weapons that are then used to kill people, are the dead people empowered by free software? [23:29] MinceR so now weapons are evil? [23:29] Ariadne weapons have always been evil [23:29] mjg59 I didn't pass a value judgement [23:29] MinceR ah, so we're blaming objects for what people do [23:29] mjg59 I asked whether the people who were killed with them are empowered [23:29] MinceR awfully convenient for the people [23:29] MinceR i think i'm going to go on a murder spree and just blame it on the objects i happened to use [23:29] CrystalMath well it empowers "users", and i guess people who have been murdered aren't users of weapons, no [23:30] mjg59 CrystalMath: Ok, that's a fair distinction to make [23:30] Ariadne no, but as a developer it is depressing to hear that northrup grumman is using alpine in their weapons system [23:30] Ariadne which is where these ethical source licenses came from [23:30] CrystalMath it is depressing, sure [23:30] mjg59 CrystalMath: The ethical software people are concerned not just about the users, but the impact of their software on people who aren't direct users [23:30] MinceR it would be more depressing to give up on freedom zero because of that [23:31] Ariadne MinceR: i agree [23:31] MinceR especially if it turns out to be ineffective, as it will most likely be [23:31] Ariadne and i think mjg59 also agrees [23:31] Ariadne i've not seen anything to say otherwise anyway [23:31] Ariadne maybe i am wrong :) [23:31] vmg3 I was under the impression there were commercial use clauses [23:31] mjg59 People can disagree whether it's possible to achieve their goals without compromising free software in ways that cause more harm than good [23:31] CrystalMath a murderer could have also avoided software altogether and used something else, and nobody's arguing that murder is okay [23:32] CrystalMath it's wrong, software or not [23:32] Ariadne yes, but some people are sad when the tools they create are used that way [23:32] Ariadne it is called the toolmaker's dilemma [23:32] mjg59 But there's always been disagreements about how far free software can extend [23:32] MinceR someone could also use free software-powered weaponry to kill in self defense [23:32] CrystalMath Ariadne: i can definitely understand that, but i believe it's not their fault [23:32] mjg59 There's a sizable number of people who believe that copyleft is fundamentally non-free [23:33] mjg59 Because it restricts your ability to use the code in proprietary products [23:33] CrystalMath though i see why people can be upset, i think that objectively their conscience can be clear [23:33] mjg59 And they see that as necessary for freedom [23:33] MinceR which freedom is that? [23:33] Ariadne the freedom to do whatever you want with the code [23:33] MinceR i see [23:33] Ariadne copyleft is not compatible with freedom zero maximalism [23:34] CrystalMath freedom zero has nothing to do with copyleft [23:34] MinceR i'm bothered more by people being unable to combine copylefted code with free software under an incompatible license [23:34] CrystalMath copyleft is about distribution [23:34] Ariadne we mostly fixed that in GPL3 and Apache2 [23:34] mjg59 Ariadne: Freedom 0 is, I think, carefully written to avoid that argument - it explicitly talks about running it for any purpose, not distributing it for any purpose [23:34] CrystalMath you can be pro-copyleft and a freedom zero maximalist [23:34] Ariadne mjg59: hmm, true :) [23:35] mjg59 I think it's actually more an argument about freeom 3 [23:35] mjg59 And whether you can impose conditions on the distribution of modified versions [23:35] CrystalMath but indeed, copyleft does a little bit of "affirmative action" here, tipping the scale in favor of the user, against the developers [23:35] Ariadne and the largest practical problem with license compatibility (OpenSSL) is being relicensed to something compatible anyway [23:35] Ariadne although openssl is hot garbage and you shouldn't use it in new code [23:36] mjg59 So I see the ethical software/free software argument as being more about what levels of restrictions can be applied for the greater good [23:36] mjg59 I wrote about that some more here: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/54709.html [23:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | What usage restrictions can we place in a free software license? [23:37] mjg59 Which is, I want to emphasise, not me saying that the license term I suggest there is a good license [23:37] mjg59 But I think it could be argued that it is in line with the goals of free software [23:38] mjg59 Merely entirely impractical in the real world [23:38] CrystalMath Ariadne: personally, i don't really see the Toolmaker's dilemma [23:38] CrystalMath if someone uses something i made for something i find to be horrible, i don't even see how it's even slightly my fault [23:38] Ariadne it's a mental health dilemma [23:38] CrystalMath if others see it, they're wrong [23:39] Ariadne if it does not impact you in that way, then that's good for you. [23:39] mjg59 CrystalMath: So what I was aiming for in the blog post you linked to was to try to encourage people to understand the goals of the ethical license movement, and to respond to it in a way that demonstrates that understanding [23:39] CrystalMath i can't actually guarantee that tbh, Ariadne [23:39] Ariadne alpine is used in a lot of things i do not like, and it took several years for me to get beyond it [23:39] CrystalMath so maybe i'll add this: [23:39] CrystalMath if i get upset about it one day, then i'll be wrong [23:39] mjg59 CrystalMath: It sounds like I didn't make that clear enough - sorry about that [23:40] CrystalMath i'm saying it now when logic is 100% of the argument, before any emotions get in the way [23:40] CrystalMath mjg59: maybe it was the title [23:40] Ariadne the toolmaker in the toolmaker's dilemma has emotions, which cause the dilemma [23:40] CrystalMath Ariadne: yes but when you don't, you can see that there's no dilemma [23:40] CrystalMath that's why i'm saying in advance, that this is 100% the case, before it actually happens to me [23:41] Ariadne i hope it does not happen to you (or anyone else), it is not a nice feeling [23:41] CrystalMath i can't guarantee that i'll feel the same if it actually happens [23:41] techrights-bot #AlpineLinux : A Breath of Fresh Mountain Air for Linux Experts http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148715 #GNU #Linux #Security #TuxMachines [23:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine Linux: A Breath of Fresh Mountain Air for Linux Experts | Tux Machines [23:41] mjg59 CrystalMath: Ah, fair - what I meant was that I think the answer is "no", but we should be able to justify that answer in a way that actually responds to the concerns [23:41] CrystalMath mjg59: i don't think i read much past the title, to be host [23:41] CrystalMath *honest [23:43] *DVulgaris (~quassel@185.108.81.14) has joined #techrights [23:45] vmg3 tested in courts? [23:45] Ariadne tested what in courts? [23:45] vmg3 licencing [23:46] techrights-bot #System76 Introduces Thelio Mira Computers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148697#comment-28590 reasonably power, not cheap at all [23:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 Unveils Thelio Mira Linux PC with AMD Ryzen CPUs and NVIDIA Graphics | Tux Machines [23:46] vmg3 linus was banging on years abou about the problems with it [23:47] vmg3 it's a lawyers game [23:47] vmg3 free doesn't have the capital [23:47] *DVulgaris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:48] vmg3 should the licence be updated more often to deal with the new unseen implications [23:48] MinceR what can we even expect from licenses at this point? [23:49] MinceR strong copyleft can be turned into weak copylefy by putting an IPC call between the two components [23:49] CrystalMath doubtful ^ [23:49] CrystalMath if they share data structures, a court can easily rule that it's a derivative work [23:50] MinceR some patent nastiness got around GPLv2, against which GPLv3 was invented, but the community couldn't even get Linux to adopt GPLv3 [23:50] CrystalMath a court has even ruled that using an API makes it a derivative work, in the US! [23:50] MinceR that, too, can bite free software developers in the ass [23:50] CrystalMath yes but the definition of a derivative work is incredibly wide [23:51] techrights-bot #7Zip developer releases the first official Linux version http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148683#comment-28591 as #windows share dips it's getting harder for any project to just ignore #gnu #linux [23:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7-Zip 21.0 alpha introduces native Linux support | Tux Machines [23:51] CrystalMath MinceR: google could have tried to argue that it's fair use instead [23:51] mjg59 Oracle v Google could potentially expand the scope of derivative work massively [23:51] techrights-bot #SUSE Going Public and Other SUSE/OpenSUSE News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148716 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:51] mjg59 Unfortunately, not just in ways that benefit free software [23:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Going Public and Other SUSE/OpenSUSE News | Tux Machines [23:52] mjg59 Free implementations of proprietary APIs might be violations [23:52] CrystalMath in europe, interopability is a predefined case of fair use [23:52] mjg59 It wouldn't be good for ReactOS [23:52] MinceR or for wine [23:52] CrystalMath mjg59: we did consider adding a warning for anyone in the US, but we're still ignoring it for now [23:53] CrystalMath however Oracle v. Google said nothing about whether google's usage of the API was fair use or not [23:53] CrystalMath because google did not defend that way [23:53] CrystalMath google's claim is that APIs are not within the scope of a derivative work [23:54] techrights-bot HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The so-called 'speakers' that are actually MICROPHONES for #eavesdropping on you (police, state, corporations)... now wants your heartbeats too. Only dumb people would buy these. https://www.iottechtrends.com/smart-speakers-heart-monitoring/ [23:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | Smart Speakers Could Add Heart Monitoring - IoT Tech Trends [23:54] CrystalMath i personally think it shouldn't be [23:54] CrystalMath but an IPC call should be [23:57] techrights-bot Can't wait for the "smart speakers" that also dispatch your STD status. Yes, 'speakers'.... (microphones) http://techrights.org/2020/10/10/rms-on-bugs/ http://techrights.org/2020/01/04/listening-devices/ http://techrights.org/2020/10/10/listening-devices-not-smart/ [23:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Mentality of Cameras (and Sometimes Microphones) Everywhere, as Explained More Than 2 Years Before the Snowden NSA Leaks | Techrights [23:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | In an Age of Newspeak Buzzwords, Listening Devices (Bugs) Are Called Smart Assistants and Microphones Are Called Speakers | Techrights [23:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Listening Devices Marketed as Smart Speakers (Microphones) and Other Smart Stuff Which Does Not Do What They Tell You | Techrights [23:58] techrights-bot Godot Showcase - Human Diaspora developer interview https://godotengine.org/article/godot-showcase-leocesar3d-human-diaspora #godotengine #deletegithub #games #programming [23:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Godot Showcase - Human Diaspora developer interview [23:59] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving)