●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, June 11, 2021 ●● ● Jun 11 [00:00] techrights-bot #Microsoft absolutely loves concern-trolling #Linux , but bribed spokespeople of Microsoft (e.g. Jim #Zemlin ) will always make excuses for them. http://techrights.org/2019/07/31/jim-zemlin-open-source-loves-microsoft/ [00:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin: Open Source Loves Microsoft | Techrights [00:01] techrights-bot Not sure about the licensing situation, but if #intel tries to take over #riscv there's a need to fork IMMEDIATELY. Intel = NSA http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks also lots of crimes: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intel_Crimes_and_Offences [00:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel Crimes and Offences - Techrights [00:03] techrights-bot Packages like #polkit have bugs all the time (dos, priv escalation etc.), but only when #microsoft employees speak about it the media wakes up and spreads the FUD? Linux != polkit. Pay attention to what's more urgent: http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [00:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [00:04] MinceR better yet, don't run polkit [00:05] techrights-bot #ibm "Power is now at the tipping point where it can not sustain because of the talent loss not to mention Z has priority over P for good reasons but that causes P to lose resources to Z when in need. P is also used to pipeclean for Z chips" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1beUeseK#replies [00:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | When will next RA in System BU's Power Line - post regarding IBM layoffs [00:05] schestowitz what does it take to exploit it, MinceR? [00:05] schestowitz Certainly not remotely exploitable? [00:05] MinceR no, local [00:05] schestowitz I'm guessing some trick for locally escalating [00:05] schestowitz IF you have access to polkit at al [00:05] MinceR seems exploitable with just dbus-send and killing it with the right timing [00:06] schestowitz share hosts don't give users polkit [00:06] schestowitz *shared [00:06] MinceR unless they're poettering's multiseat laptop :> [00:06] schestowitz but let's talk about the mice in the room [00:06] MinceR what sort of mice? 8000 Hz polling rate mice? :> [00:07] MinceR i haven't reached the end of the article yet, btw [00:07] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kkszvxvdmfnwjvwr) has joined #techrights [00:08] MinceR it says the PoC needs the accountsservice and gnome-control-center packages but i don't yet know which PoC and why [00:08] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [00:09] techrights-bot "With versions 4.4 and 4.5, the French company BlueMind is updating its open source groupware with the same name. Users can now integrate video conferences with Jitsi and StarLeaf in 4.5 and also link them to appointments in the calendar." https://marketresearchtelecast.com/groupware-bluemind-4-5-now-with-video-conferencing/68392/ [00:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marketresearchtelecast.com | Groupware: BlueMind 4.5 now with video conferencing - Market Research Telecast [00:10] schestowitz MinceR: I meant, they ignore the elephants in the room [00:10] schestowitz and focus on some minor bug with a patch available in no time [00:11] schestowitz typical Microsoft [00:11] schestowitz LWN wrote about it [00:11] schestowitz apparently, no other security news exists [00:11] schestowitz only Microsoft [00:11] MinceR :> [00:11] MinceR yeah, but note that this bug is specific to poetteringware (polkit) [00:11] MinceR it's not a Linus bug [00:11] MinceR s/nus/nux/ [00:12] techrights-bot What #microsoft and #github mean to #linux http://techrights.org/2019/11/11/delete-github/ [00:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsofts Abduction of the Voice of Its Opposition Highlights the Urgency of the Movement/Campaign to Delete GitHub | Techrights [00:13] MinceR apparently gnome-control-center is only used for a polkit configuration detail, and different ways to exploit this error can work with configurations coming from different packages (like packagekit) [00:14] techrights-bot Pushing #proprietarysoftware as if it is some of 'charity' www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/trustinsoft-offers-free-application-security-testing-program-for-google-summer-of-code-projects-301309158.html [00:15] techrights-bot Every newborn on a ventilator can now be better protected, thanks to technology that helps prevent a common breathing tube incident - Purdue University News https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2021/Q2/every-newborn-on-a-ventilator-can-now-be-better-protected,-thanks-to-technology-that-helps-prevent-a-common-breathing-tube-incident.html #purdue [00:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.purdue.edu | Every newborn on a ventilator can now be better protected, thanks to technology that helps prevent a common breathing tube incident - Purdue University News [00:16] schestowitz is this limited to ga-nommmm? [00:16] MinceR no [00:17] schestowitz lol https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/752945/dos-window-flashes-on-screen-slow-pc-app-window-self-closing/ [00:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | DOS Window flashes on screen. Slow++ PC. App window self-closing. - Virus, Trojan, Spyware, and Malware Removal Help [00:17] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [00:18] MinceR the author explains that it initially didn't work on rHELL 8 because gnome-control-center was not installed by default, but they could instead use the setting coming from packagekit to have packagekit install the gnome-control-center package (for its policykit.imply annotation) and then just run the earlier exploit successfully [00:18] techrights-bot I remember when Stephen Shankland covered "open Web" and not shilling #proprietarySoftwrae browsers that perpetuate #monoculture https://www.cnet.com/news/vivaldi-browser-now-runs-your-email-and-calendar-too/ [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vivaldi browser now runs your email and calendar, too - CNET [00:19] CrystalMath vivaldi keeping up with the systemd vibe [00:19] techrights-bot https://fossbytes.com/how-to-use-newsboat-rss-feed-reader-on-linux/ I tried it for a while, but it fell short of expectations [00:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://fossbytes.com/how-to-use-newsboat-rss-feed-reader-on-linux/ ) [00:20] techrights-bot How To Use Command Line Newsboat RSS Feed Reader On Linux? https://fossbytes.com/how-to-use-newsboat-rss-feed-reader-on-linux/ I tried it for a while, but it fell short of expectations [00:23] techrights-bot #LinuxFoundation promoting and #openwashing mass #surveillance as if it's some sort of 'charity' https://mytechdecisions.com/it-infrastructure/bringing-high-speed-internet-to-remote-areas/ [00:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mytechdecisions.com | Learn Magma, A New Open Source Project Bringing High Speed Internet To Remote Areas - My TechDecisions [00:24] techrights-bot The "LINUX" brand is increasingly being used to promote HARM. Thank the #LinuxFoundation for this misuse of the brand. Earlier today: http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights [00:25] techrights-bot #intel will now go out of its way to attack/destroy/hijack #riscV https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/08/iscas_2000_riscv_laptops/ [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | China's ISCAS to build 2,000 RISC-V laptops by the end of 2022 as nation seeks to cut reliance on Arm, Intel chips The Register [00:27] techrights-bot This has nothing to do with actual health https://www.gurufocus.com/news/1449220/liquid-avatar-joins-linux-foundation-public-health-cardea-project see http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [00:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Liquid Avatar Joins Linux Foun - GuruFocus.com [00:29] techrights-bot Does ASF now assess its performance based on #proprietarySoftware #monopoly of #microsoft ?? https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/being-serious-about-security-is-a-must-apache-software-foundation-custodians-on-fulfilling-its-founding-mission http://techrights.org/2019/04/29/asf-prisoner-of-microsoft/ [00:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portswigger.net | Being serious about security is a must Apache Software Foundation custodians on fulfilling its founding mission | The Daily Swig [00:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | After Killing the Independence of Apache Software Foundation (ASF) Microsoft Steals Its Soul, Too | Techrights [00:31] MinceR basically, in vulnerable versions, whenever there's an implication set up in polkit so that if you were authorized to do action A you're also allowed to do action B, you can actually do action B without asking the user for a password [00:31] techrights-bot I can no longer call myself "Linux advocate" seeing what #LinuxFoundation has reduced this label or brand to. They're clearly killing it, overusing and diluting it for a shilling. Go back to #gnu and #freesw ... LINUX means #surveillance and #monopolies [00:31] MinceR you can be an advocate for Linux without being an advocate for the LF, but Linux's future is grim [00:32] *saint_dogbert has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:32] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [00:32] techrights-bot #Google ad biz shenanigans smacked down by French competition regulators The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/08/google_ad_biz_told_non/ #theregister | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/11/#latest [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Google ad biz shenanigans smacked down by French competition regulators The Register [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [00:33] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:33] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9818:8227:908b:2d5d) has joined #techrights [00:36] techrights-bot "Learning to code is a gateway to exciting creative opportunities, not to mention helping you earn more money and respect in your career. But the pathway towards coding mastery is not always an easy one. And it's not unusual to reach a point where it seems like you're stuck." https://www.creativeboom.com/resources/why-only-learning-code-can-set-you-up-to-fail/ [00:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.creativeboom.com | Why only learning code sets you up to fail | Creative Boom [00:37] schestowitz MinceR: yes, I agree [00:37] schestowitz it's a bad situation to be in [00:37] schestowitz and if LT left, which I doubt he would, they can smear him in the media [00:38] schestowitz they probably have sufficient "dirt" on him already and he's being made aware of it [00:38] schestowitz he controls the trademarks, but LF sponsors can wrest control of the project [00:39] MinceR yeah [00:39] techrights-bot "Bubble" defined. https://builtin.com/blockchain/non-fungible-token-nft [00:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-builtin.com | 17 Places To Buy NFTs | Built In [00:41] techrights-bot Back doors everywhere, but HEY HI HEY HI https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252502003/MoD-launches-digital-strategy [00:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerweekly.com | MoD launches digital strategy [00:42] techrights-bot #microsoft #surveillance #espionage #nsa https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210607005478/en/Broadband-Forum-Welcomes-Surge-of-New-Members [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com | Broadband Forum Welcomes Surge of New Members | Business Wire [00:43] techrights-bot Nope. DELETE now. Don't patch. #vmvware is vulnerable by default, as Snowden leaks about EMC showed. https://www.zdnet.com/article/patch-now-attackers-are-hunting-for-this-critical-vmware-vcentre-flaw/ [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patch now: Attackers are hunting for this critical VMware vCentre flaw | ZDNet [00:44] techrights-bot #vmware should be avoided altogether, if not prosecuted http://techrights.org/2020/04/28/openwashing-vmware-after-gpl-abuses/ [00:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Helped VMware Lie About Its Deliberate GPL Violations That are Connected to Microsoft, Another Prolific GPL Violator | Techrights [00:44] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:46] techrights-bot Some PUBLIC libraries are STILL called after enabler of TRAFFICKING of thousands of UNDERAGE girls for SEX https://eu.monroecopost.com/story/entertainment/events/2021/06/09/library-notes-gates-greece-and-parma/7470171002/ see https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.monroecopost.com | LIBRARY NOTES: Gates, Greece and Parma [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times [00:47] techrights-bot When #BillGates Pays a University Through His Friend Epstein (Sex Trafficker) to Call Buildings After Himself http://techrights.org/2020/10/12/tribute-to-the-bill/ #Techrights #bribery | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/10/12/tribute-to-the-bill/ [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When Bill Gates Pays a University Through His Friend Epstein (Sex Trafficker) to Call Buildings After Himself | Techrights [00:48] techrights-bot #microsoft "is getting around the standard GNU and Open Source licenses by simply supplying a link to a page that says "These are the bits we got from other people." 'll let you draw your own conclusions from that. I'm afraid my bias may be influencing my opinion." https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/753019/what-i-learned-about-ms-edge-and-ms-open-source/ [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | What I learned about MS Edge and MS Open Source - Linux & Unix [00:49] techrights-bot #RISCV Functional Safety Processor IP Core introduced by Fraunhofer IPMS and CAST https://www.eejournal.com/industry_news/risc-v-functional-safety-processor-ip-core-introduced-by-fraunhofer-ipms-and-cast/ [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RISC-V Functional Safety Processor IP Core introduced by Fraunhofer IPMS and CAST EEJournal [00:54] techrights-bot #LinuxFoundation s Latest #Openwashing and Promotion of #ProprietarySoftware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152167 #zemlinPAC #TuxMachines [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation's Latest Openwashing and Promotion of Proprietary Software | Tux Machines [00:54] techrights-bot #OpenHardware : #Arduino and #RISCV http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152166 #TuxMachines [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware: Arduino and RISC-V | Tux Machines [00:57] techrights-bot #elementaryOS 6 beta promises great things in the same beautiful package http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152168 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | elementary OS 6 beta promises great things in the same beautiful package | Tux Machines [00:57] techrights-bot Indias #Democracy Is the Worlds Problem https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/06/g7-india-narendra-modi-democracy/619144/ [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | Indias Democracy Is the Worlds Problem - The Atlantic [00:59] CrystalMath "the world's problem" [00:59] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/uw26rek.png ● Jun 11 [01:00] CrystalMath heh [01:01] schestowitz totally sounds like him [01:01] MinceR he's just like that... in Civilization. [01:02] MinceR it used to be a bug, then it became official [01:02] schestowitz you got CrystalMath all excited for a moment [01:02] schestowitz someone called him "genocidal" recently [01:02] schestowitz for not wanting to live long himse [01:02] MinceR he would start with the minimum possible aggressiveness value [01:02] MinceR and then there was some advance that would reduce this value when an AI player got it [01:02] schestowitz lol [01:03] MinceR and in Gandhi's case this would overflow to the highest possible value [01:03] schestowitz there are some self-immolating Buddhists [01:03] schestowitz but never heard of self-nuking ones [01:03] CrystalMath schestowitz: tbh it was really Ariadne's knee-jerk reaction to what i said [01:04] CrystalMath i said "i support Andrew Lee" [01:04] schestowitz "gone with a bang..." [01:04] CrystalMath and Ariadne got angry and said "well you support genocide" [01:04] MinceR lol wut [01:04] CrystalMath and i actually think i may have a log of that! [01:04] schestowitz I support calm, not people... in this case, I think weeks of work were lost in many projects because of infighting [01:04] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] If I look long enough, I might find the source of that. [01:05] CrystalMath okay i didn't actually say it like that [01:05] CrystalMath i said [01:05] CrystalMath "i strongly support freenode" [01:05] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] the proper word is actually not "genocidal" but "mysanthropic" [01:05] schestowitz https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode [01:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [01:05] MinceR well, once all the humans are dead, things will calm down a lot >:) [01:05] schestowitz maybe nihilism [01:05] CrystalMath bw: i strongly support Freenode [01:05] schestowitz genocide targets a particular group [01:05] CrystalMath and Andrew Lee [01:05] schestowitz not species, but "race" typically... [01:05] schestowitz "geno" [01:05] MinceR no, nihilism (at least philosophical nihilism) is a completely different idea [01:06] CrystalMath quick, get him /s [01:06] CrystalMath CrystalMath: yikes, might want to rethink that [01:06] CrystalMath (other things he support include genocide) [01:06] schestowitz if you limit life to some age, that might contribute a bit to lessening climate issues [01:06] MinceR that idea is that there is no inherent meaning to life, only what people come up with [01:06] schestowitz but then you don't tackle the disproportionate contribution to pollution [01:06] CrystalMath MinceR: right, that's what i believe in [01:06] MinceR same [01:07] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] crystalmath i'm going to print that log out, put it in a nice frame and mail it to you [01:07] MinceR lol [01:07] schestowitz :D [01:07] CrystalMath i'm sorry Ariadne [01:07] CrystalMath i'm actually clearing up that you only said that in the moment [01:07] CrystalMath you don't really mean it [01:07] CrystalMath it's okay :) [01:07] schestowitz anyway, CrystalMath was a tad depressing at the tome [01:07] schestowitz *depressed [01:07] CrystalMath that is also true [01:07] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Right now freenode is reported at 56K and LC at 31K [01:07] CrystalMath i've also been angry [01:08] CrystalMath and sad [01:08] schestowitz XRevan86 that's expected [01:08] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] which is a not that signifant dip down for one and a pretty significant grow for the other [01:08] schestowitz but anyway, no major chaos anymore [01:08] schestowitz no blog posts about this and that. people return to work [01:08] CrystalMath XRevan86: but it's the same people on two networks, not more people on IRC :P [01:09] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: Moving from one to the other and dropping their accounts? [01:09] schestowitz how many people were on IRC 20 years ago? [01:09] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i pray that i never have to write about irc this much ever again [01:09] schestowitz it would be easy to get a fuller picture. Also, in the 90s you'd need to dial up to be online in IRC. [01:09] MinceR or use leased line at school :> [01:09] schestowitz netsplit.de doesn't go that far back.. [01:10] schestowitz https://netsplit.de/networks/GIMPnet/ [01:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [01:10] schestowitz weird name for a network [01:10] CrystalMath schestowitz: glimpsenet incoming [01:10] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz, CrystalMath: I guess what this means is that freenode is no longer a reliable metric of how many people are there using IRC. [01:11] MinceR there's nothing weird about it [01:11] CrystalMath there's also IRCnet [01:11] MinceR it stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program :> [01:11] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: Stop poking a corpse %) [01:11] schestowitz users channels servers 5422 411 5 [01:11] schestowitz 411 channels? [01:11] schestowitz for GIMP? [01:11] CrystalMath XRevan86: i'm on many networks, i don't think these two are the only ones [01:12] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] So the question is, will LC surpass freenode in amount of users this month or the next. [01:12] MinceR or ever [01:12] CrystalMath XRevan86: the *busiest* network i connect to has 100 people [01:12] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: haha, try betting on that :) [01:12] MinceR i'm not really into betting [01:13] schestowitz " EFnet has since (as of August 1998) grown and passed the number of users it had then. In the (northern) autumn of the year 2000, EFnet had some 50,000 users and IRCnet 70,000" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat [01:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet Relay Chat - Wikipedia [01:13] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] There's no surprise in that IRC is not as big as it was. [01:13] schestowitz "After its golden era during the 1990s and early 2000s (240,000 users on QuakeNet in 2004), IRC has seen a significant decline, losing around 60% of users between 2003 and 2012" [01:14] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] which is unfortunate as it's still a darn good lingua franca of Internet group messaging [01:14] schestowitz "IRC reached 6 million simultaneous users in 2001 and 10 million users in 2003, dropping to 371k in 2018" [01:14] schestowitz OK, so peaked at 10 million [01:14] MinceR on the upside, it got us rid of most of the "CIAO A TUTTI" and similar noise [01:14] CrystalMath the thing is IRC never had its retro revival moment yet [01:14] MinceR (and Eternal September noise in general :> ) [01:15] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Ho, saluton al vi :) [01:16] schestowitz CrystalMath: maybe an enhanced version of IRC [01:16] schestowitz with some stuff added on to it?\ [01:16] CrystalMath i mean like... [01:16] schestowitz How many metrix users, roughly? [01:16] schestowitz *matrix [01:16] CrystalMath there was never a moment when people did [01:16] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] IRCv3 is roughly that [01:16] CrystalMath "hey let's go to IRC for good old times' sake" [01:16] CrystalMath IRC was never dead enough to be officially pronounced dead [01:17] CrystalMath and so it never got to see its afterlife, yet [01:17] schestowitz lots of software supports it [01:17] schestowitz same for text editors (ansi/ascii) and html [01:17] CrystalMath like for example audio cassettes [01:17] CrystalMath they had to die first to experience their resurgence in 2018 [01:17] schestowitz headphones jack [01:17] CrystalMath huh? [01:18] schestowitz still widely supported [01:18] CrystalMath my office computer, manufactured in 2020, has that [01:18] schestowitz and the "Smart" things cannot get rid of it [01:18] schestowitz with their DRM schemes [01:18] CrystalMath ah yes, the 3.5mm is still alive [01:18] schestowitz my laptop still has VGA port [01:18] CrystalMath same [01:19] CrystalMath but my laptop is from 2006-ish :P [01:19] CrystalMath tbh i have devices with RCA connectors [01:19] schestowitz mine 2016 [01:19] CrystalMath but that's me [01:19] schestowitz also has cd-rom [01:19] CrystalMath same [01:19] schestowitz many laptops no longer come with these [01:19] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: That's almost too old [01:19] schestowitz actually, it's dvd [01:19] MinceR my gaming laptop, manufactured in 2020, has a 3.5" audio jack as well [01:19] CrystalMath XRevan86: some of my machines that are in active use are older than that [01:19] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.06 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.56 swarm size (avg): 242.61 [01:20] MinceR s/"/mm/ [01:20] MinceR but so do my phones :> [01:20] CrystalMath XRevan86: like a 2003 celeron machine [01:20] CrystalMath 512 MB RAM [01:20] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: What are ye using that for? [01:21] CrystalMath it's a general purpose machine, tbh i'm rarely the one sitting on it [01:21] CrystalMath others in my family browse with it sometimes [01:21] CrystalMath there's also a much better Q6600 [01:21] CrystalMath no computer in here is newer than 2010 [01:21] CrystalMath the office computer i'm referring to is at my actual office [01:23] techrights-bot "In this video, we are looking at the beautiful backgrounds of the upcoming #LinuxMint 20.2. Enjoy!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv9_-b4YUms #gnu #linux [01:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Mint 20.2 Backgrounds Slideshow - YouTube [01:23] CrystalMath btw the 2003 one is not the oldest i have :) [01:23] CrystalMath sadly i have no 80s computers :( [01:24] schestowitz cubexyz might have some [01:27] techrights-bot Im back in the boat http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152170 #TuxMachines #kDE #jolla [01:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | I'm back in the boat | Tux Machines [01:27] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152169 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:29] techrights-bot "Hmm no: the COVID passport proves your body is clean. The Chinese social credit system proves your mind is clean." https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/06/10/2053244/linux-foundation-readies-global-covid-certificate-network #linuxfoundation = pure garbage http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [01:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Linux Foundation Readies Global COVID Certificate Network - Slashdot [01:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights [01:30] CrystalMath schestowitz: i have a 1996 CD-ROM reader that doesn't support DVDs [01:30] CrystalMath however it seems to be broken [01:30] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [01:30] CrystalMath so it no longer supports CDs either :P [01:30] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [01:34] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Do, kio estas la rilato la italaj havas al eterna septembro? [01:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] al la eterna septembro [01:36] MinceR at one time we had lots of random lamers show up on random IRC channels saying "CIAO A TUTTI" (typically with colors) and not really have anything of substance to say [01:36] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] La rusa? Forgesis la artikolo? Tio estas pli verajna ke vi pensas. [01:36] MinceR and around the same time we would also have lots of kids from school using the government program that gave schools Internet access [01:36] MinceR those users weren't too intelligent either [01:37] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] * forgesis la artikolon [01:37] MinceR as for the original Eternal September, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September [01:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Eternal September - Wikipedia [01:37] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] darn, I just had to forget the agreement too [01:37] MinceR just use english [01:37] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: It's partly to prove myself that I can still say stuff in that language too :) [01:39] MinceR Mia kusenveturilo estas plena je angiloj. [01:39] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I think the first time I heard of an Eternal September like event, it was about FidoNet [01:41] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Kion-kion vi diris us pri mia patrino? [01:41] MinceR lol [01:42] CrystalMath that's esperanto? [01:42] MinceR yes [01:42] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: No, that's the Elvish dialect of Klingon [01:42] CrystalMath i never liked it [01:42] CrystalMath too euro-centric to call itself a worldwide language [01:43] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] it's worldwideness is about being accessible primarily [01:43] CrystalMath meh, i don't speak it, and i'm not interested in learning it [01:43] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] not just like English is accessible to English-speakers [01:43] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] but to everyone no matter where they're coming from [01:44] CrystalMath but that's a lie [01:44] CrystalMath it has nothing in common with chinese [01:44] CrystalMath and most people on this planet speak chinese [01:44] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: Compare it to the projects such as Interlingua [01:45] CrystalMath lojban gets rid of some of those europeanisms [01:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] that language is so eurocentric it deserves a place in the Romance languages tree [01:46] CrystalMath lojban isn't [01:46] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] and it targets people who are familiar with Romance languages at least to some extent, and makes compromises that will be comfortable to them [01:46] CrystalMath maybe you meant interlingua [01:46] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] yes, I'm explaining what interlingua is on contrast [01:46] CrystalMath much like how any browser is good, compared to internet explorer :P [01:46] MinceR afaik esperanto is just a mashup of romance, germanic and slavic languages [01:47] CrystalMath MinceR: yeah, and that's not much better [01:47] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: It's its own thing based on existing building blocs [01:47] CrystalMath that's every language :P [01:48] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] well, I'm saying it's not "just a mashup", it's organised into a system [01:49] CrystalMath but there are IALs that don't have any eurocentrisms [01:51] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] regarding lojban, it's just intimidating [01:52] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] it's definitely not designed as accessible [01:53] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] In that its use-case doesn't intersect all that much with Esperanto. [01:53] MinceR i guess that's what it's like when you can't rely on existing language knowledge that you already have :> [01:54] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: It's grammar is more complex too. [01:54] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] They took "unabmiguous" very-very seriously. [01:55] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] that may make it a more powerful language than anything else that humanity has to offer [01:55] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] but that affects the learning curve ● Jun 11 [02:02] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] What can I say, Esperanto is just a simpler system, and having so many international words (Latin, right) helps with learning not just to the Europeans, this shit is common in any urban country. [02:04] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] while Lojban by trying to be familiar to the most people is probably familiar to absolutely no one [02:04] MinceR all languages esperanto works with are still indo-european :> [02:05] MinceR also, interlingua is a mashup of romance languages and has that "international words" feature too [02:05] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: The difference with Interlingua is that it inherits some of the quirks too. [02:08] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Compare "questionario" to "demandaro" [02:09] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] one is practically Portuguese shoved into ASCII [02:09] MinceR :) [02:12] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] should be pronounced something like kwesconario or kwesionario [02:13] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] with "c" meaning "ts" palatalised [02:13] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] "demandaro" is pronounced "demandaro" [02:16] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] So Interlingua has features that can only be explained in context of Romance languages. [02:16] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] It's like that because History. [02:18] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:18] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] also apparently words like "cheque" can be pronounced both like ek and like ek [02:19] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] but chef is just ef [02:19] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] chimia is kimia [02:19] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Why is "ch" so variable? Absolutely no reason within Interlingua itself. [02:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 16.36 swarm size (avg): 242.67 [02:22] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Now that's eurocentric. An English speaker will have no problem grasping these rules, they're already close to heart. [02:26] MinceR so which languages used as the basis for Esperanto are not European? :> [02:27] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: At least there's internal consistency, ye know? [02:27] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Except for the thing, that's a mess. [02:27] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] but that's also internal, there is a sound and a lot of speakers just don't like it [02:28] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] those Englishmen and their "I don't like /x/, I'll say /k/ instead" [02:28] MinceR :> [02:31] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Which is a big mistake, how else would one say "ujlo"? [02:31] MinceR :> [02:34] AdmFubar https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/dartmouth-ends-misguided-investigation-after-students-rights-groups-speak-out [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Victory! Dartmouth Ends Unfounded Cheating Investigation After Students, Rights Groups Speak Out | Electronic Frontier Foundation [02:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin_%C4%A5ujlo! also no such article in Lojban, is there [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eo.wikipedia.org | Putin ujlo! - Vikipedio [02:35] AdmFubar https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/15-universities-have-formed-company-looks-lot-patent-troll [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | 15 Universities Have Formed A Company That Looks A Lot Like A Patent Troll | Electronic Frontier Foundation [02:35] AdmFubar https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/eff-files-amicus-brief-defending-right-repair-massachusetts [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | EFF Files Amicus Brief Defending the Right to Repair in Massachusetts | Electronic Frontier Foundation [02:36] *asusbox2 (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9818:8227:908b:2d5d) has joined #techrights [02:36] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9818:8227:908b:2d5d) has joined #techrights [02:42] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] kio estas tio se ne venko fina? [02:43] MinceR nothing [02:44] MinceR ujlo isn't even Esperanto, is it? [02:44] cubexyz so did intel really phase out support for CSM? [02:44] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I mean the fact that there's no coverage of it in Lojban :D [02:44] MinceR good question [02:45] MinceR is it required of languages to cover phonemes they do not use? [02:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: It's not. [02:45] MinceR i doubt there's any language that uses them all [02:46] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] That's what I get for making a humourous statement [02:46] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] absurdist if ye will [02:47] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-100621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-100621.txt Read the log now... [02:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 10, 2021 [02:47] MinceR i _think_ i've seen screenshots of the Asus ExpertBook B9450 BIOS Setup with some "legacy boot" stuff in it, and that's a 2020 model, but i couldn't confirm it as i didn't understand the language of the page [02:47] cubexyz "you can use a discrete graphics card that supports UEFI VBIOS to make CSM configureable" [02:48] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-100621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-100621.txt Read the log now... [02:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 10, 2021 [02:48] MinceR can i do so with an eGPU that uses Thunderbolt 3? :> [02:49] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. 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[02:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 10, 2021 [02:50] cubexyz MinceR, microsoft did funny stuff to the i8042 system [02:51] cubexyz PS/2 stuff doesn't work right [02:51] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-06-10.txt [02:52] cubexyz external GPU? interesting [02:53] cubexyz no idea there [02:54] schestowitz for mining coins [02:56] schestowitz [01:30] so it no longer supports CDs either :P [02:56] -tjr-Hello! We will shortly be doing some re-routing in the next 30 minutes, we will advise once complete. [02:56] schestowitz so it is a coup holder [02:56] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Mining coins what are ye, Scrooge McDuck? [02:56] schestowitz for shot glasses :-) [02:57] schestowitz *cup ● Jun 11 [03:00] AdmFubar https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/06/10/2053244/linux-foundation-readies-global-covid-certificate-network?utm_source=rss0.9mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [03:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Linux Foundation Readies Global COVID Certificate Network - Slashdot [03:02] MinceR lol [03:02] MinceR nvm, it was scrolled up [03:04] CrystalMath schestowitz: so, the cancel mob just harassed a freenode staffer into quitting [03:04] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Whom? [03:04] CrystalMath eskimo [03:04] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [03:04] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [03:04] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: congrats? :) [03:05] CrystalMath XRevan86: libera is showing itself to be right behind cancel culture at every step, and that's definitely not the people that anyone who wants tech rights should be involved with [03:06] techrights-bot Unless you move to #bsd or #gnu #linux I think you may be missing the point as you will never enjoy true freedom https://medevel.com/rss-readers-for-macos/ [03:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Top 10 free open-source RSS Feed Readers for macOS [03:07] techrights-bot Linus #Torvalds Encourages Kernel Developers & Everyone To Get Vaccinated https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linus-Torvalds-Vaccinations https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1261141-linus-torvalds-encourages-kernel-developers-everyone-to-get-vaccinated #RMS did the same [03:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds Encourages Kernel Developers & Everyone To Get Vaccinated - Phoronix [03:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds Encourages Kernel Developers & Everyone To Get Vaccinated - Phoronix Forums [03:08] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [03:08] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: A person with an op got resigned for doing things unfitting for an op and never apologising, darn, that cancel culture [03:09] CrystalMath XRevan86: i've never witnessed even *claims* that eskimo did something bad as staff, or even that his work at freenode was anything short of exceptional [03:10] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] The United Russia members just say that the opposition is hype-ing when confronted with allegations that they made themselves rich on tenders and such. [03:11] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/10/mcdonalds_ai_lawsuit/ [03:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | McDonald's AI drive-thru bot accused of breaking biometrics privacy law The Register [03:11] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/10/apple_ios_15_leak_prevention/ [03:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Apple, it's OK. Seriously. You don't need to blind your iOS 15 engineers to prevent leaks The Register [03:11] CrystalMath XRevan86: but at least you can find the opposition's claims [03:12] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: So, ye didn't see the stuff that Ariadne was bringing up, like cross-checking IP addresses from an IRC network and an image hosting to find newds? [03:12] CrystalMath XRevan86: that's not activity eskimo did as freenode staff [03:12] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: That's a violation of trust as a person with administrative powers, a very similiar job, identical even. [03:13] CrystalMath XRevan86: personally i've gotten more in-depth information regarding that and it's really not as clear cut as you think [03:13] CrystalMath but even if it was... even in a false reality that it was, people change [03:14] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: People also address their past mistakes publicly when they're brought up. [03:14] CrystalMath you're exhibiting an aspect of cancel culture now: presumption of guilt [03:14] AdmFubar https://www.databreaches.net/chief-operating-officer-of-network-security-company-charged-with-cyberattack-on-medical-center/ [03:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | Chief Operating Officer of Network Security Company Charged with Cyberattack on Medical Center [03:15] techrights-bot Prior art for ViCo at #epo http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-100621.html#tJun%2010%2021:46:51 [03:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 10, 2021 [03:15] CrystalMath presumption of guilt is absolutely cancel culture, and should not be tolerated [03:15] CrystalMath ever [03:15] CrystalMath everyone must be presumed innocent at every level, everywhere [03:15] CrystalMath until evidence to the contrary [03:16] schestowitz AdmFubar: serves em right [03:16] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: I'm not a court [03:16] schestowitz for buying food this way [03:16] CrystalMath XRevan86: that is no excuse [03:16] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: To me it looks this way [03:17] *GNUmoon2 has quit (*.net *.split) [03:17] *pogosad has quit (*.net *.split) [03:17] *huggi_ has quit (*.net *.split) [03:17] *habaner0 has quit (*.net *.split) [03:17] *hvxgr has quit (*.net *.split) [03:17] *ohama has quit (*.net *.split) [03:17] *kgz has quit (*.net *.split) [03:17] *habaner0 (~user@104.244.77.112) has joined #techrights [03:17] *hvxgr (~wl2v_usrn@epjdn.zq3q.org) has joined #techrights [03:17] *niveus.freenode.net gives voice to hvxgr [03:17] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: Ariadne made some digging, the evidence looks better than his response to it. [03:17] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [03:17] *pogosad (~poggo@gateway/tor-sasl/pogosad) has joined #techrights [03:18] *huggi_ (sid80718@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unjjweoqzydodjdo) has joined #techrights [03:18] *niveus.freenode.net gives voice to huggi_ [03:18] CrystalMath you maybe unwittingly participating in cancel culture, every time you exhibit: presumption of guilt, abstracting/personalizing actions into states of being, or exaggerating claims against someone [03:18] schestowitz if the allegation are true, it is pretty serious stuff [03:18] schestowitz *allegations [03:18] schestowitz and serious staff, stuff [03:18] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: Aren't ye presuming that these people, even professional participants in IRC, had their due dillgence? [03:18] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] * hadn't [03:19] schestowitz bbiab [03:19] CrystalMath actually no, tbh, i am keeping in mind the possibility that the people making claims against eskiimo do in fact know they are false, but they have an agenda that they always serve [03:19] CrystalMath *eskimo [03:20] techrights-bot #McDonalds HEY HI. The term "HEY HI" means anything, even #surveillance when you want to disguise it (or "data science", "big data" etc.) https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/10/mcdonalds_ai_lawsuit/ [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | McDonald's AI drive-thru bot accused of breaking biometrics privacy law The Register [03:20] CrystalMath this possibility comes to me because, these people *always* mention their agenda, and it's in literally everything they do [03:20] schestowitz AdmFubar: good links, thank you [03:21] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: Honestly I couldn't've even sacractically made up a more biased answer. [03:21] *ohama (ohama@cicolina.org) has joined #techrights [03:21] *kgz (~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu) has joined #techrights [03:21] *niveus.freenode.net gives voice to kgz [03:21] schestowitz XRevan86 CrystalMath let's not talk much about IRC [03:21] schestowitz it inflames a very high stress environment to all [03:21] schestowitz ime [03:22] schestowitz I'll just say IRC as a forum is very informal, and that has both its ups and downs [03:22] schestowitz like people making claims [03:22] schestowitz a debian dev told me a told time ago Debian devs loathed being quoted from IRC [03:22] CrystalMath schestowitz: i guess you don't really want to make an article about this, but the fact that libera is run by serial harassers, and not just of RMS, is kinda related to techrights [03:22] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: I'm trying to defend Ariadne's honour here as best as I can. [03:22] schestowitz AdmFubar has put some on-topic stuff [03:23] schestowitz CrystalMath: no, I don't know much [03:23] schestowitz and I don't want to get involved [03:23] AdmFubar schestowitz y/w [03:23] schestowitz Ariadne earned my respect ages ago [03:23] schestowitz and if she says someone did X, it's very probbale [03:23] schestowitz let's move on [03:23] CrystalMath XRevan86: i wasn't talking about anyone specific [03:24] CrystalMath just to clarify that [03:24] CrystalMath well maybe some examples of twitter people came to my mind, but nobody i talked to directly [03:25] techrights-bot Chief Operating Officer of Network Security Company Charged with Cyberattack on Medical Center https://www.databreaches.net/chief-operating-officer-of-network-security-company-charged-with-cyberattack-on-medical-center/ will #microsoft and those deploying #windows also be charged one day? http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [03:25] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] (02:12:01) XRevan86: CrystalMath: So, ye didn't see the stuff that Ariadne was bringing up, like cross-checking IP addresses from an IRC network and an image hosting to find newds? [03:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | Chief Operating Officer of Network Security Company Charged with Cyberattack on Medical Center [03:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [03:25] CrystalMath XRevan86: actually no i have not read any of that, except maybe indirectly through other people perhaps? [03:26] CrystalMath i know what you're most likely talking about though [03:27] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: It is very much about her, ye should definitely ask her about the stuff she got on eskimo, as she removed it from the public eye. [03:27] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1403129767881236483 [03:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: as my reporting relating to his prior activities is no longer relevant to covering freenode, i will be taking the r https://t.co/P8nlcJofxv [03:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: as my reporting relating to his prior activities is no longer relevant to covering freenode, i will be taking the r https://t.co/P8nlcJofxv [03:28] techrights-bot #apple is autocratic even inwards and internally. We don't want such sociopaths to run the tech world, do we? https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/10/apple_ios_15_leak_prevention/ [03:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Apple, it's OK. Seriously. You don't need to blind your iOS 15 engineers to prevent leaks The Register [03:29] MinceR looks like Asus Prime Z490-A (a mainboard from 2020 for intel CPUs) still has CSM in it >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CckmOXlEIA [03:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ASUS PRIME Z490-A BIOS Overview - YouTube [03:31] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [03:31] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.45 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.30 swarm size (avg): 242.75 [03:32] schestowitz [03:24] well maybe some examples of twitter people came to my mind, but nobody i talked to directly [03:32] schestowitz Twitter is very bad [03:32] schestowitz my account there is write-only, since last year [03:32] CrystalMath schestowitz: i was in fact thinking of the likes of Coraline Ada Ehmke and Sarah Mei, among some others [03:33] schestowitz all across the board, politics also [03:33] schestowitz Trump riling up dangerous and deranged people [03:33] schestowitz I need to check ipfs [03:33] schestowitz the bot fell offline before it could run the job. [03:34] *IroncladCorona has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [03:35] schestowitz some of the comments here are really bad: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1261141-linus-torvalds-encourages-kernel-developers-everyone-to-get-vaccinated [03:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds Encourages Kernel Developers & Everyone To Get Vaccinated - Phoronix Forums [03:35] schestowitz some anti-vaxers in Phoronix forums [03:35] schestowitz they should instead focus on LF promoting mass spying [03:36] schestowitz misusing the "LINUX" name to by 'trust' [03:36] schestowitz *buy [03:36] schestowitz [01:30] schestowitz: i have a 1996 CD-ROM reader that doesn't support DVDs [03:36] schestowitz Nice [03:36] schestowitz but those don't last long, and rarely do [03:37] cubexyz CD-ROM reads can last a long time [03:37] cubexyz readers [03:37] schestowitz my samsung stereo from 1994 stopped working for the CD drive within less than 10 years [03:37] CrystalMath schestowitz: i thought you already dubbed it a cup holder :) [03:37] schestowitz the cassette drive lasted longer [03:38] schestowitz MinceR: I know some people who studied and mastered esperanto [03:38] cubexyz my 1991 stereo cd player still works, but yeah I got a huge pile of non-working cdrom drives [03:39] cubexyz I'm not sure if there's anyone that fixes them [03:39] MinceR here's one that seems to be from this year and still has CSM >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtBmsh7xw1I [03:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Asus TUF B560M Bios Overview, Setup, Memory Tuning and VRMs Test - YouTube [03:39] schestowitz [03:00] https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/06/10/2053244/linux-foundation-readies-global-covid-certificate-network?utm_source=rss0.9mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [03:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Linux Foundation Readies Global COVID Certificate Network - Slashdot [03:39] schestowitz I remarked on that earlier on [03:39] MinceR maybe Asus is keeping it alive [03:39] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Darn, Ariadne removed the post with a screenshot of eskimo de-opping thumbs from ##vim [03:39] schestowitz [01:29] "Hmm no: the COVID passport proves your body is clean. The Chinese social credit system proves your mind is clean." https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/06/10/2053244/linux-foundation-readies-global-covid-certificate-network #linuxfoundation = pure garbage http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [03:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Linux Foundation Readies Global COVID Certificate Network - Slashdot [03:39] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] with a snarky comment too [03:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights [03:39] cubexyz techrights should have a list of recommended motherboards [03:40] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Anyway, when a project considers an IRC network, they want a reliable place, and things like that are part of the consideration. [03:40] MinceR i'm looking for laptops, but i figure if they keep it in their BIOS on mainboards, presumably they keep it also on their laptops [03:41] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] And on one side there's "cancel culture, oh no, they'll eat your children", on the other ops just take over channels because of a personal grudge [03:41] kingoffrance hmm the " Chief Operating Officer of Network Security Company Charged with Cyberattack on Medical Center" doesnt say much, nor does indictment. maybe he dosed them so he could then turn around and sell services? [03:41] schestowitz [03:37] schestowitz: i thought you already dubbed it a cup holder :) [03:41] schestowitz sorry, I'm slow [03:41] schestowitz I went to sleep 1:30am [03:41] schestowitz woke up 2:30am [03:42] schestowitz had to stay up to edit and IRC log and remove something that should not be in them [03:42] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] or claims of being "hostile to free software" on one side [03:42] schestowitz entered a 10-minute break into the cron job [03:42] schestowitz so was super-tired after just 1-hour sleep, am still drinking coffee right now. [03:42] schestowitz [03:39] techrights should have a list of recommended motherboards [03:42] AdmFubar https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/06/book-review-mine-how-the-hidden-rules-of-ownership-control-our-lives.html [03:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Book Review: "Mine! How the Hidden Rules of Ownership Control Our Lives" | naked capitalism [03:42] schestowitz if you want to maintain such a list [03:43] cubexyz I can recommend old stuff [03:43] schestowitz sure... [03:44] schestowitz you have much experience with old hardware [03:44] cubexyz Dell Precision T3600, used by various computer scientists [03:44] schestowitz we lost 'ted' a year ago, it was a 2009 laptop [03:44] cubexyz 2014, you can buy used in ebay [03:45] AdmFubar https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/06/u-s-southwest-already-parched-sees-virtual-water-drain-abroad.html [03:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | U.S. Southwest, Already Parched, Sees Virtual Water Drain Abroad | naked capitalism [03:45] cubexyz some of the UK shortwave transmitter towers are 1930s tech [03:46] cubexyz UK gov is trying to defund of course [03:46] techrights-bot U.S. Southwest, Already Parched, Sees Virtual Water Drain Abroad | naked capitalism https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/06/u-s-southwest-already-parched-sees-virtual-water-drain-abroad.html "global companies are worsening the water crisis." [03:47] cubexyz it's not motherboards, but if you want to know what has lasted for me: [03:47] cubexyz http://www.maxhost.org/other/computer-longevity.txt [03:47] cubexyz there's some motherboard's listed in there [03:47] schestowitz "Vic-20 1981 (oldest working computer of any type)" [03:47] schestowitz [01:23] sadly i have no 80s computers :( [03:47] schestowitz ^^^ [03:47] schestowitz ding ding sing [03:47] schestowitz [01:24] cubexyz might have some [03:48] cubexyz I do [03:48] MinceR i have a Sinclair ZX Spectrum, but it never worked particularly well [03:49] schestowitz "Quantum 49MB LP52S 9505 1990" [03:49] schestowitz Wow, you can almost put a video on it! [03:49] cubexyz haha [03:49] schestowitz or a flatpak [03:49] schestowitz or some text editor with all the bloat around that [03:49] AdmFubar still have a vic-20 and an commadore sx-64 [03:50] cubexyz schestowitz, which OS would you recommend for 49 megs or less? :) [03:50] schestowitz "Amiga 1080 CRT nov 1985" [03:50] schestowitz Still working? [03:50] cubexyz yes [03:50] schestowitz cubexyz: Linux can do.. [03:50] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: Leo Trotsky, a hardcore communist, left a country that declared a lot of his views as national policy to a country that it the furthest from that. [03:50] schestowitz but not with a desktop [03:51] cubexyz amigados 1.3 is on there actually [03:51] schestowitz cubexyz: that's just an inventory/list [03:51] AdmFubar https://wireframe.raspberrypi.org/books/computers-that-made-britain [03:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wireframe.raspberrypi.org | The Computers That Made Britain Wireframe Magazine [03:51] schestowitz not much that we can do with it, it is based on luck or one person's experience [03:51] cubexyz that's true [03:52] schestowitz you have HP LaserJet 5N [03:52] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Why? Because the latter was okay with letting him be. He was more okay with a country where the bourgeoise exploits the proletariat because at least they weren't assassinating people. [03:52] schestowitz I wonder what happened to my HP LaserJet from around 1995 [03:52] schestowitz it might still work, the cartridges might be hard to find [03:52] cubexyz ok, the laserjet was fixed a few times, so repairable... [03:52] cubexyz that's significant [03:52] schestowitz I have a scanner from the 90s [03:52] schestowitz have not tried it for ages though [03:53] schestowitz scanners nowadays come with many printers and lots of people use their phone cameras instead of scanners [03:53] cubexyz staples has refurbished cartridges for laserjet 5 [03:53] AdmFubar I have a scsi based scanner [03:54] cubexyz my old mustek needs a new power supply [03:55] cubexyz still looking for one [03:55] schestowitz mustek :-) [03:56] schestowitz does anyone in the world still find use for zip drives? [03:56] schestowitz iomega was probably sold [03:56] CrystalMath i have a floppy drive :) [03:56] schestowitz I can probably repair my laptop with a floppy drive [03:56] cubexyz Lenovo now I think [03:56] schestowitz but it runs dsl on 32 mb of ram [03:57] schestowitz not worth the cost or repair [03:57] AdmFubar I do have 3.5 inch usb floppy... just in case someone hands me something old... [03:57] cubexyz I need an 8 inch floppy drive, but much $$$ required [03:57] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] So abstract statements like "hostility against free software" are great and all, but it the free software community somehow still leans towards the staff they know what to expect from rather than a wildcard staff that already managed to have a less than stellar track record. It's not ideology, it's trust in the process. [03:57] MinceR 11 045611 < schestowitz> does anyone in the world still find use for zip drives? [03:58] MinceR sure, one use is to show them off in videos :> [03:58] AdmFubar awww I had several of those from an old apollo dn-300 workstation [03:58] cubexyz zip drives -> retro computing, that's all I would think [03:58] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: it's not like there are only 2 (or 3) options [03:58] techrights-bot 2 hours ago: "Tape is somewhat unique in that #IBM is the sole manufacturer of LTO - resold by Spectra Logic and Quantum (among others) who compete quite successfully against IBM in various markets." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1beUeseK#replies [03:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | When will next RA in System BU's Power Line - post regarding IBM layoffs [03:59] techrights-bot "Im happy to see there is still a sense of humor out there." #ibm #layoffs #braindrain #exodus #lowMorale https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bgqXUN4#replies [03:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | First day at my new job... - post regarding IBM layoffs ● Jun 11 [04:00] schestowitz [03:57] I need an 8 inch floppy drive, but much $$$ required [04:00] schestowitz some nuclear facilities used them until 2 years agi [04:00] schestowitz I reckon some still do [04:01] schestowitz nuclear weapons systems [04:01] cubexyz usually around $300 to $400 [04:01] cubexyz those 8 inch floppies were pretty durable [04:02] AdmFubar check your local ham fests for old hardware. [04:02] schestowitz Re: IBM lobbying [04:02] schestowitz > https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/1402985753135570948 [04:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: Linux Foundation readies Global COVID Certificate Network https://t.co/0YMPdXUrsG via @ZDNet & @sjvn Thanks to https://t.co/qfXH3IGzaF [04:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Linux Foundation readies Global COVID Certificate Network | ZDNet [04:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: Linux Foundation readies Global COVID Certificate Network https://t.co/0YMPdXUrsG via @ZDNet & @sjvn Thanks to https://t.co/qfXH3IGzaF [04:03] schestowitz Yes, IBM sponsoring this too: http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [04:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights [04:05] techrights-bot #zdnet is just a #marketing and #propaganda site. It's only PRETENDING to be a "news" site. #Microsoft and #IBM sponsoring this too: http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [04:06] techrights-bot #ibm has purely financial motivations to attack #rms and by extension #fsf and #gnu #gpl http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/ [04:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights [04:07] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: How easy is it to pick a network for a very long term? Which isn't OFTC and LC. Surely only a very few will bother setting up their own, like GNU. And the rest will choose the most well-known reliable public option. [04:07] MinceR depends on who does the picking [04:08] MinceR for me, it's pretty easy [04:08] schestowitz Richard Stallman wrote on 10/06/2021 04:31: [04:08] schestowitz > > Do you know when a video of your talk with the Brazilians might be [04:08] schestowitz > > available online at http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/#2021 ? [04:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-audio-video.gnu.org | Audio/Video - GNU Project - Free-Software Foundation [04:08] schestowitz > [04:08] schestowitz > I will ask. [04:09] AdmFubar https://insights.sei.cmu.edu/blog/cat-and-mouse-age-net/ [04:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insights.sei.cmu.edu | Cat and Mouse in the Age of .NET [04:11] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, June 10, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:12] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:12] schestowitz AdmFubar: ah, thanks [04:12] schestowitz a tad too old for Daily Links [04:12] schestowitz for many people those things were not relevant ever [04:13] schestowitz Microsoft fliurished (owing to crimes) in the 1990s [04:13] schestowitz downhill from there [04:13] schestowitz never flourished since, then tried to buy shithub.... loses money on it [04:14] techrights-bot #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152172 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [04:14] techrights-bot #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152171 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [04:14] schestowitz 4am ipfs check OK, seems it was just an irc issue [04:16] techrights-bot #ibm is in trouble, so it's trying to cause trouble to #freesw and we cannot just ignore IBM (and #redhat staff) doing this to us. Fight back. They're no better ally than #novell was after liaising with #microsoft [04:16] cubexyz http://laptopwithlinux.com/linux-laptops/ [04:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Buy Linux Laptop? Laptops with Linux prenstalled | Laptopwithlinux.com [04:21] schestowitz it's not hard to make them [04:21] cubexyz everybody seems to use iphone, samsung, win10 these days [04:21] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.90 swarm size (avg): 242.81 [04:21] schestowitz certifying and all is the hard part, or verifying what/if everything works [04:21] schestowitz cubexyz: maybe people also buy cars [04:21] schestowitz which they barely use [04:21] cubexyz or just buy a decent chromebook [04:22] schestowitz some of the newer ones are hard to wipe [04:22] schestowitz not sure if crouton still runs on them [04:22] schestowitz Google now pushes that Crostini crap [04:22] schestowitz which sounds to me a bit like WSL [04:22] schestowitz giving you a false sense of "LINUX" [04:22] schestowitz while actually you run malware at every level [04:23] schestowitz google should not get a free pass, either [04:23] cubexyz yeah I don't really know what to recommend... hence my return to IRC [04:23] schestowitz do you use gemini? [04:24] schestowitz https://hackaday.com/2021/05/24/running-modern-linux-from-a-single-floppy-disk/ [04:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Running Modern Linux From A Single Floppy Disk | Hackaday [04:24] cubexyz if you mean the firmware, no [04:24] schestowitz last month [04:24] schestowitz cubexyz: no, the www alternative [04:24] cubexyz oh [04:25] *IroncladCorona (~jon@64.121.152.202) has joined #techrights [04:25] cubexyz totally new to me [04:26] AdmFubar https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/06/09/cisa-addresses-rise-ransomware-targeting-operational-technology [04:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | CISA Addresses the Rise in Ransomware Targeting Operational Technology Assets | CISA [04:26] *IroncladCorona has quit (Client Quit) [04:27] cubexyz seems like it could be my cup of tea [04:28] schestowitz AdmFubar: no mention of Windows [04:28] schestowitz typical [04:29] schestowitz 'vendor-neutral' [04:29] schestowitz ransom... just happens(R) [04:29] schestowitz cubexyz: I wrote about it yesterday in http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/techrights-gemini-capsule/ [04:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Improvements in the Techrights Gemini Capsule | Techrights [04:29] schestowitz you can read things on 386 [04:29] schestowitz provided you can compile ssl/tls stuff for it [04:29] cubexyz ha, if only I kept a few 386's [04:29] schestowitz I heard 486 would cope better [04:30] AdmFubar just like it is mentioned that it is a "computer virus" not an "operating system virus" [04:30] AdmFubar https://puri.sm/ [04:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Beautiful, Secure, Privacy-Respecting Devices - Purism [04:30] BaronVladimirHar Well, back in the day the operating system was more or less static. [04:30] BaronVladimirHar They did patches for single issues at a time or a new DirectX, but it wasn't anything nearly as crazy as what goes on now. [04:31] cubexyz any recommendations on which browser one should use for gemini protocol? [04:31] BaronVladimirHar Broken patches raining down on you every month for issues that you might not even be experiencing. [04:31] techrights-bot Conspicuously absent: mention of #microsoft #windows with #nsa #backdoors that lead to or give rise to ransom https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/06/09/cisa-addresses-rise-ransomware-targeting-operational-technology [04:31] techrights-bot #Linux #Kernel Becomes #COVID19 Battlezone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152173 #TuxMachines [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Becomes COVID-19 Battlezone | Tux Machines [04:32] schestowitz [04:31] any recommendations on which browser one should use for gemini protocol? [04:32] schestowitz which OS? [04:33] cubexyz slackware or openbsd [04:33] schestowitz i know many clients and software for gemini, but some distros have it prepackaged [04:33] schestowitz openbsd has some low-level CLI clients [04:33] schestowitz solene made one IIRC [04:33] schestowitz actually a server: https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-01-02-gemini-vger-redirect.html [04:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dataswamp.org | Solene's percent % : Vger gemini server can now redirect [04:34] cubexyz the web seems a bit hostile to text only browsers [04:34] AdmFubar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol) i heard you can theoretically run your own server but everyone uses the central one [14:52] schestowitz 13+ years in freenode [14:52] schestowitz habits don't lapse overnight [14:54] schestowitz [14:48] freenode deserves no attachment. IRC networks are cheap and interchangeable... as long as you can communicate the change. [14:54] schestowitz hahahahaha. [14:54] schestowitz Tell me about your migration then [14:54] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Yea, they're anything but that. [14:54] schestowitz BTW, freenode faces issues on many fronts and plays defensive at the moment [14:55] schestowitz bots, trolls, floods, channel locks, loss of staff [14:55] schestowitz not an easy situation [14:55] psydroid I have Matrix accounts on matrix.org and chat.weho.st and possibly even on another server which will serve me fine until I start running my own [14:55] schestowitz and rather uncalled for if it boils down to 2FA over the domain name.. and likely an exaggeration/flippant reaction [14:56] immibis schestowitz: I don't run any channels so I'm not sure what you mean by "my" migration [14:56] schestowitz see? so you lack an actual case study. it's NOT easy to migrate people across network [14:56] schestowitz some are just lurking, some cannot reconfigure clients, some only want one network for all their needs [14:57] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Uncalled for by whom though? [14:57] immibis real-world evidence says it's extremely easy, but it also says that many idlers will never move, but they are idlers, so just leave a /topic for them and move on [14:57] schestowitz I'm sure many channels that moved from freenode to LC now have less than half the number of users online they had before [14:58] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] PostgreSQL: had about 800, now has 600 [14:58] immibis how many users actually chatting? [14:58] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MariaDB: had about 90, now 80 [14:58] immibis abandoned bouncer connections shouldn't count as users [14:58] schestowitz XRevan86: those are 2 examples [14:58] immibis we should measure the move by activity, not by connections [14:58] schestowitz and all lost users (online) [14:58] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Those are the channels I'm in. [14:58] schestowitz I doubt anyone GAINED from migration [14:59] schestowitz and they leap from a pan to a potential fire [14:59] BaronVladimirHar I managed to capture that popping noise on my car on video this time. Maybe that'll help down at the shop. [14:59] schestowitz "Staff" (volunteers) without long-term commitment [14:59] schestowitz no salary [14:59] immibis you don't think that avoiding freenode staff is a gain? [14:59] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: If I look at the bridged channels (MATE, and now SQLite), the newcomers come to Libera. [14:59] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Libera is where people are asking questions. [14:59] schestowitz freenode withstood 20+ years, I very much doubt it'll go away in the next decade [14:59] BaronVladimirHar If I had to guess, I'd say some sort of knocking from lean air/fuel mixture, although I'm not getting a diagnostic code from it. [14:59] immibis schestowitz: and yet you've been using it for 13 years. Volunteer staff seem to be good enough for you [14:59] BaronVladimirHar Surprise surprise. [14:59] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Even though the official MATE network is still freenode (it's a topic that hasn't been seriously discussed). ● Jun 11 [15:00] psydroid I've been asked to register channels on LC, which I did. But then people just don't talk in those newly created channels, making me wonder why I even bothered registering them. [15:00] schestowitz so now they have fragmentation [15:00] immibis schestowitz: there is already fragmentation, are you in the techrights channel on efnet? if not, why not? [15:01] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: And all that just because rasengan is afraid of TOTP as of fire? [15:01] schestowitz also, worse type of fragmentation [15:01] schestowitz wherein you have two masters [15:01] schestowitz and you control nothing [15:01] psydroid basically it came down to them not wanting to be on Freenode anymore but being able to talk to me and ask me questions as needed [15:01] schestowitz so you just play off one master against the other [15:01] schestowitz "WATCH OUT, Microsoft!!! I WILL BUY A MAC!!" [15:01] immibis that's why so many projects tried to force everyone off of one master so they'd have just one master again [15:02] schestowitz they swapped masters [15:02] schestowitz that's not the solution [15:02] immibis psydroid: almost like people will connect to the network where their questions will be answered, not just the one they feel like using today [15:02] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Rather, they stayed with their original master. [15:02] schestowitz they're at someone's mercy again [15:02] schestowitz and tomorrow clique A from LC will split off from clique B [15:02] schestowitz and again you move [15:02] schestowitz to the clique of choice [15:02] schestowitz because of something like "CENSOR THIS CHANNEL OR I AM OUT!!" [15:02] immibis yes, your choices are that or self-hosting. Remind me why you're still using freenode? [15:03] BaronVladimirHar Apple has sometimes taken advantage of a particularly bad Windows release to point out that the Mac is more stable. [15:03] immibis you are clearly not speaking through the tr-bridge [15:03] schestowitz immibis: it's already here and most users I communicate with are in this network [15:03] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I am on the other side of the bridge too [15:03] schestowitz immibis: unlike you ;-) [15:03] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: That's an interesting assumption considering that they got serious with making sure this doesn't happen. And after all, they don't have that time-bomb that freenode had. [15:04] schestowitz come chat on our network if you dislike freenode this much [15:04] schestowitz I'd rather not be on third parties, but that's where many people are [15:04] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: freenode, Ltd. was a wildcard, and the one that finally took action. [15:04] psydroid immibis, I cloned all of my Freenode channels to Matrix more than a year ago and those rooms have been more active than most of the Freenode or recently registered LC channels have been during that time [15:04] BaronVladimirHar Windows Vista was like it was because even after the development reset, they still wanted to do too much with it. Instead of improving the C support in their compiler, they pushed .Net hard. [15:04] schestowitz and we can only try to educate people about BSD, GNU/Linux, self-hosting etc. [15:04] BaronVladimirHar Years later, they came back and improved C, but they should have done it then. [15:04] schestowitz gemini is easier for self-hosting because of its footprint [15:06] immibis schestowitz: i believe that's what the bridge is for [15:06] BaronVladimirHar Remember how they got Yahoo to push a version of Yahoo Messenger "optimized for Vista", and it crashed more and never reached feature parity before they gave up on it? [15:06] BaronVladimirHar They even get other companies to waste money pushing their crap. [15:06] schestowitz https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210605/17455946938/map-internet-exposes-lie-that-big-tech-controls-internet.shtml [15:06] schestowitz this week [15:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Map Of The Internet Exposes The Lie That 'Big Tech' Controls The Internet | Techdirt [15:06] schestowitz Internet is wrong [15:06] schestowitz maybe Web [15:07] schestowitz in terms of traffic, a lot goes through youtube, netflix (volume) [15:07] schestowitz and 'screentime' through cookies and JS is even worse [15:07] schestowitz with spying firms everywhere [15:07] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: All of the techrights' bots are on freenode. [15:07] schestowitz this is where they have long been [15:08] BaronVladimirHar Microsoft is eyeballing Rust as the new Microsoft Java VM. They don't even talk about .Net much anymore. [15:08] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: they never recovered from Vista [15:08] schestowitz XP stayed around for ages and they kept extending the cliff edge [15:08] immibis i thought windows 7 was pretty widely used [15:08] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: they are busy hijacking what wins [15:08] schestowitz now they hijack the "LINUX" brand [15:09] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/ [15:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | Techrights [15:10] techrights-bot #MakuluLinux Shift Teaser II http://www.makululinux.com/wp/2021/06/11/makulu-shift-teaser-ii/ #gnu #linux [15:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Makulu Shift Teaser II MakuluLinux [15:11] techrights-bot #OpenZFS 2.1 Gets More Cleanups, Better Documentation Ahead Of Release - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenZFS-2.1-rc7-Released #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux #deletegithub [15:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OpenZFS 2.1 Gets More Cleanups, Better Documentation Ahead Of Release - Phoronix [15:12] BaronVladimirHar They try to make it sound like Microsoft is "great with programming languages" because they have so many. If one works well, you generally don't have to push many of them that overlap. [15:12] techrights-bot Real-Time Support "PREEMPT_RT" For Linux Held Up Due To Lack Of Funding - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PREEMPT_RT-Lack-Of-Funds #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/11/#latest [15:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Real-Time Support "PREEMPT_RT" For Linux Held Up Due To Lack Of Funding - Phoronix [15:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:13] BaronVladimirHar I still have a book on Java "for Windows" applications from like 1999 or so. There's been no way to actually run them since the MSJVM was removed. [15:13] BaronVladimirHar Visual J# was around for a while, but it too was removed. [15:14] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Do they run on https://microsoft.com/openjdk ? :) [15:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Build of OpenJDK [15:14] techrights-bot "Happy Friday, everyone. The Apache community has had another great week." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-news-round-up230 [15:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | The Apache News Round-up: week ending 11 June 2021 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog [15:15] techrights-bot #GNU #Linux Release Roundup #21.24: #KDE Plasma 5.22, #LibreOffice 7.1.4, and More New Releases https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-release-roundup-2021-24/ [15:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Linux Release Roundup #21.24: KDE Plasma 5.22, LibreOffice 7.1.4, and More New Releases - It's FOSS News [15:16] techrights-bot #wordpress Gutenberg Highlights - WordPress.org https://wordpress.org/news/2021/06/gutenberg-highlights/ [15:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-News Gutenberg Highlights WordPress.org [15:16] BaronVladimirHar Oracle has patents. Google lost the part about deviating from the Java standard and using code that wasn't covered under the patent license. [15:16] BaronVladimirHar I wonder if Oracle would sue if Microsoft starts "adding features" to OpenJDK. [15:16] schestowitz they're in cahoots [15:16] schestowitz except on code DB business [15:17] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/java-schism-to-wrest-control/ [15:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Historys Lesson: Microsoft Now Does to GNU/Linux What It Did to Java (Creating Schism to Wrest Control) | Techrights [15:17] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Microsoft is an official OpenJDK contributor, so no. [15:17] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] It's just yet another build of OpenJDK in practice. [15:18] techrights-bot #libreoffice /TDF Extended Tender to implement #Curl based HTTP/WebDAV UCP (#202104-01) https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/06/11/extended-tender-to-implement-curl-based-http-webdav-ucp-202104-01/ [15:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Extended: Tender to implement Curl based HTTP/WebDAV UCP (#202104-01) - The Document Foundation Blog [15:18] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Nothing interesting about it except for the parallels with Microsoft Java. [15:20] techrights-bot More #debian devs who say "GNU/Linux": "Some days ago Robert reported back about a sleepless night he spent with that machine... He got stuck with a tricky issue regarding the installation of Manjaro GNU/Linux on that machine, that could be -- at the end -- resolved by a not so well documented trick." https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/132 [15:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sunweavers.net | Linux on Acer Spin 3 | sunweaver's NET [15:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.23 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.60 swarm size (avg): 243.19 [15:20] psydroid so they've just not declared .NET dead yet because they are still working on coopting Rust? [15:21] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] psydroid: Um, .NET 5 ? [15:21] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat : we don't have masters and slaves in the workplace. We just rebrand them :-) :-) "open leaders" https://opensource.com/open-organization/21/6/nurture-leaders-let-go #openwshing #nonsense #marketing [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-To nurture open leaders, managers must learn to let go | Opensource.com [15:21] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] They definitely have plans on .NET [15:21] BaronVladimirHar This could be a vacuum leak in the brake booster. [15:21] BaronVladimirHar I mean it makes a popping sound while I'm driving, but it sounds like the car is farting sometimes when I take my foot off the brake pedal. [15:22] schestowitz You rarely heard about new projects made with .NET anymore [15:22] schestowitz it's going down the path of CodePlex [15:22] BaronVladimirHar Unmetered air really messes things up in an engine. [15:22] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Unity3D [15:22] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: stay on topic, pls [15:22] schestowitz Mono [15:23] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] psydroid: Besides, Rust is focused on execution efficiency while .NET never was. [15:23] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] they're not really in the same niche [15:23] schestowitz by openwashing .NET itself Microsoft sort of put the kibosh on mono [15:23] schestowitz unity used mono long before that [15:23] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Yea, Unity3D uses bits of Mono even today. [15:23] BaronVladimirHar They never fully open sourced Mono. [15:24] BaronVladimirHar I still think that Windows Forms and several other parts are under the promise not to sue. [15:25] phobos honestly, the promise not to sue means nothing to me. [15:25] BaronVladimirHar There's no patent grant under the MIT license. If courts were rational, this would be a pretty easy decision. The Prenda Law case might even be pertinent even though the issue is patents, not copyright (since the API can't be copyrighted anyway). [15:26] BaronVladimirHar In Prenda Law, the courts ruled that a porn troll couldn't upload something to the Pirate Bay and then sue people for it. Further, they ruled that attempting to blackmail people was illegal and sent the lawyers running it to prison. [15:26] techrights-bot The comments here seem infested by #microsoft boot lickers https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_new_tablet_and_laptop_to_be_unveiled_on_june_15-news-49546.php more and more companies like this one will move off #windows [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Realme's first tablet and laptop to be unveiled on June 15 - GSMArena.com news [15:26] BaronVladimirHar Microsoft has the same thing going on with .Net except it's patents. [15:26] BaronVladimirHar Encouraging people to take it and then coming to threaten them with patents once they do, if they have a lot of assets that are exposed. [15:27] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [15:27] BaronVladimirHar Game engines use Mono a lot because one of the things it does make it easy to do is scripting, which is what many games call "AI". [15:28] techrights-bot #intel needs to #deletegithub as this looks extremely unprofessional https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Cloud-Hypervisor-16.0 they used to have their OWN #git and see what happened: http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [15:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's Cloud-Hypervisor 16 Adds ARM64 ACPI + UEFI Support, Better Live Migration - Phoronix [15:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [15:29] techrights-bot Google Europe wants source code https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210611-01.en.html http://techrights.org/2020/08/22/fsf-fsfe-dispute/ [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | Netherlands: Participation app remains closed to the public - FSFE [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: FSF/FSFE Trademark Dispute (FSF Demanding That FSFE Should Change the Organisations Name) | Techrights [15:30] techrights-bot #Timesys Embedded Board Farm enables remote access to hardware for software development & QA https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/11/embedded-board-farm-remote-access-hardware-software-development-qa/ [15:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Timesys Embedded Board Farm enables remote access to hardware for software development & QA - CNX Software [15:30] BaronVladimirHar Borderlands 3 "AI" is very aggressive. Enemies put forth almost no effort to protect themselves. [15:31] BaronVladimirHar It just drops off a ton of them and they rush towards you eating up your bullets. It's more like Doom than anything. [15:31] techrights-bot "This question probably seems absurd. An unoptimized memcpy is a simple loop that copies bytes. How hard can that be? Well..." http://nhaehnle.blogspot.com/2021/06/can-memcpy-be-implemented-in-llvm-ir.html [15:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nhaehnle.blogspot.com | Tagebuch eines Interplanetaren Botschafters: Can memcpy be implemented in LLVM IR? [15:32] BaronVladimirHar This is probably the easiest type of "AI" to do. The player doesn't stop to think about it much because they're taking a lot of fire. [15:32] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: they just walk in a straight line towards you, punching air [15:32] BaronVladimirHar I grabbed Alien Isolation while it was free last month. I genuinely do feel like it's toying with me. [15:32] schestowitz you can even predict their next move [15:33] schestowitz because they're so dull [15:33] immibis Alien Isolation is a rule-based AI but it unlocks more rules as you play [15:33] schestowitz the best "hey hi" they have found is internet gaming [15:33] schestowitz wherein the enemies are actual people [15:33] immibis or tree-based, not sure if there's a significant difference [15:33] schestowitz playing over the network and learning from mistakes [15:34] immibis when the developers say "there's an AI that learns from you" people imagine a neural network, but it's actually just a bunch of bit flags "have I learned to do this?" "have I learned to do this?" "have I learned to do this?" [15:40] BaronVladimirHar Basically, it's designed to start out being predictable and then become less so as the game goes on. [15:40] BaronVladimirHar The more rules, the less predictability. Since you can't kill it, there's no change that you manage to successfully pick it off at the start of the game. [15:41] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] > depends on who does the picking [15:41] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: And what will they pick? Until now no third network has appeared, so it's unlikely that it will. And the big networks have their perks like the shared user registrations and stuff like the Matrix integration (looking at you, DaemonFC). [15:47] xyz I AM STILL MUTED IN #ANONCHAN [15:48] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] xyz: It's not anonymous either [15:49] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] why would ye go there? [15:51] xyz i was trying to have fun [15:51] xyz but they are bulling me [15:55] *xyz is now known as post_deleted_by_ [15:56] *post_deleted_by_ is now known as pst_DEL_by_Andre ● Jun 11 [16:00] techrights-bot How did SJVN fail to name Windows as the common culprit?! (With back doors by design) https://www.computerworld.com/article/3619209/heres-what-you-can-do-about-ransomware.html see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [16:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Here's what you can do about ransomware | Computerworld [16:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [16:04] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat preaching against technical skills: Soft skill #1: Ask for help. #2: Learn when to say "No". #3: Use your manager https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/top-3-sysadmin-softskills [16:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | 3 essential sysadmin soft skills you need to learn right now | Enable Sysadmin [16:06] techrights-bot "Tmux is an essential tool and has functions ANY linux user will need!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPWEX2446B4 [16:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tmux Tutorial - YouTube [16:07] *stormchaser3000 (~iansutter@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [16:07] psydroid 4: buy IBM/Red Hat support as any helpless non-technical person would and pray and hope they can solve the problem for you [16:08] techrights-bot "Snapd is an open-source project, hosted on GitHub." OK, bye. You're outsourcing to a #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly in #NSA PRISM and controlled by Microsoft. https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-has-snapd-ever-done-for-other-distros http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [16:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What has snapd ever done for other distros? | Ubuntu [16:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [16:09] techrights-bot #canonical / #ubuntu + #microsoft #github = disaster. http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/ [16:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHub is Microsofts Proprietary Software and Centralised (Monopoly) Platform, But When Canonicals Account There Gets Compromised Suddenly Its Ubuntus Fault? | Techrights [16:11] techrights-bot Hyped up by Microsoft; isn't even applicable to most systems https://thehackernews.com/2021/06/7-year-old-polkit-flaw-lets.html #MICROSOFT #FUD #TalkAboutNSA #TalkAboutPRISM #GithHub (the ICE champion) [16:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | 7-Year-Old Polkit Flaw Lets Unprivileged Linux Users Gain Root Access [16:12] techrights-bot "I'm on a quest to replace Google Photos since their free 'unlimited' storage is no longer available." Trusting promises from tech mafias. #GulagPhotos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGhNuRHtS2A [16:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I'm Replacing Google Photos... - YouTube [16:13] schestowitz psydroid: but they can't say that [16:13] schestowitz first they convince you to add complexity to the systems [16:13] schestowitz podman, ansible, systemd... [16:13] schestowitz the whole lot [16:13] schestowitz then they sell you "Tower" and OpenShift GUIs and stuff [16:15] psydroid I was just talking about that to a friend yesterday [16:15] psydroid after the Linux Foundation and the FreeBSD Foundation I should start the Quicksand Foundation [16:16] techrights-bot Literally buying SEATS and BUYING marketing contracts from Zemlin and his crooks, who use the brand "LINUX" and milk the goodwill associated with it.. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/idramp-joins-linux-foundation-public-health-cardea-project-steering-committee-301310480.html [16:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | IdRamp Joins Linux Foundation Public Health Cardea Project Steering Committee [16:16] techrights-bot Linux Foundation 'Public' 'Health' = mass #surveillance disguised as "health" and misusing the "LINUX" brand (it has NOTHING to do with Linux!) http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [16:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights [16:17] immibis better, the Apple Foundation [16:17] techrights-bot #NVIDIA #GeForce RTX 3070 Ti / RTX 3080 Ti Compute + Renderer Performance #Benchmarks Review - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-rtx30ti-compute&num=1 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/11/#latest [16:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti / RTX 3080 Ti Compute + Renderer Performance Benchmarks Review - Phoronix [16:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [16:18] MinceR :> [16:18] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: most likely they will pick poorly and then suffer [16:20] techrights-bot How can anybody write such an article without mentioning Windows with its back doors and awful code -- so awful that they keep it secret? https://www.fosslife.org/global-efforts-needed-address-growing-ransomware-attacks [16:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | Global Efforts Needed to Address Growing Ransomware Attacks [16:21] techrights-bot "Featuring open-world real-time gameplay, Death Trash is a hand-crafted experience that will feature a full story campaign with optional local co-op play." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/well-finally-get-to-see-what-death-trash-is-like-with-a-demo-for-the-steam-next-fest [16:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-We'll finally get to see what Death Trash is like with a demo for the Steam Next Fest | GamingOnLinux [16:22] techrights-bot Nibble Stew: Typesetting a full book part II, Scribus https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2021/06/typesetting-full-book-part-ii-scribus.html #nibblestew "...typeset an entire book using nothing but LibreOffice." [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nibblestew.blogspot.com | Nibble Stew: Typesetting a full book part II, Scribus [16:26] techrights-bot Best method for dark-mode friendly #SVG in HTML https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/svg-embed-dark-mode.html This whole "dark-mode" lunacy is irrational hype over something neither innovative nor useful [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ctrl.blog | Best method for dark-mode friendly SVG in HTML [16:33] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: https://twitter.com/plainoldchair/status/1403159358536622083 a good point [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@plainoldchair: Speaking of him being a creeper: Imagine being a mail carrier and some weirdo tweets out a secretly recorded video https://t.co/widSz0rhZF [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@plainoldchair: Speaking of him being a creeper: Imagine being a mail carrier and some weirdo tweets out a secretly recorded video https://t.co/widSz0rhZF [16:36] schestowitz tweets are hard ro figure out [16:36] schestowitz need article [16:36] schestowitz it's like random thoughts [16:36] schestowitz that you might put together before writing something [16:36] schestowitz which is how I arrange data before writing about it [16:37] schestowitz the tweets themselves can be worthless, inaccurate [16:37] schestowitz like a stream of consciousness [16:37] schestowitz we need to encourage people to blog more, like 15 years ago... [16:37] schestowitz journalism itself is dying [16:37] schestowitz this is how we end up crucifying people over things that might be half true or even false [16:37] schestowitz based on "number of likes" [16:38] schestowitz and the likes are likely motivated not by need to rewards accuracy [16:38] schestowitz but something like "which side I'm on" [16:38] schestowitz it's how a tweet of a fake sign on the door or RMS can can get thousands of likes [16:38] schestowitz and then end up at the top of articles [16:39] schestowitz which think those tweets were accurate and the photo was what it said it was [16:40] schestowitz Twitter is also the sort of place where you can say "X did Y" [16:40] schestowitz and without risk of accountability [16:40] schestowitz because it's a random thought [16:40] schestowitz and it turns out Z did Y [16:40] schestowitz or that nobody did Y [16:40] schestowitz but it doesn't matter, as the "Court of Twitter" has already ruled [16:40] immibis aren't you doing that very thing right now? [16:41] schestowitz where? [16:41] schestowitz in diaspora? [16:41] schestowitz and IRC? [16:41] immibis you are saying like random thoughts [16:41] immibis that you might put together before writing something [16:41] immibis the messages themselves can be worthless, inaccurate [16:41] schestowitz yes, but I don't cite IRC lines as "proof" [16:41] immibis like a stream of consciousnes [16:41] CrystalMath XRevan86: this person @plainldchair is toxic and horrible [16:41] CrystalMath XRevan86: and so much that i will take the opposite of his opinions as advice [16:41] schestowitz I never cite as proof X said in IRC/#yyy Z [16:42] immibis CrystalMath: but they cited an eskimo tweet as proof of something eskimo did [16:42] schestowitz IRC is like a honecall [16:42] immibis is that not valid? [16:42] schestowitz *phoncall [16:42] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: I don't really care, that's a good point brought up. [16:42] schestowitz *phonecall :-) [16:42] CrystalMath nobody should send videos of employees to employers [16:42] schestowitz I stay out of Twitter battles [16:42] CrystalMath ever [16:42] schestowitz they're tiring, hard to follow [16:42] schestowitz like tweet embedded in a tweet [16:43] schestowitz and no order for what shows up [16:43] CrystalMath like, that is literally never okay, we're all people and we've done something embarassing, get over it [16:43] immibis CrystalMath: Everything in the tweet you're talking about can be independently verified, either by the eskimo tweet it links to, or by a dictionary, or by seeing eskimo speak for 5 minutes. I'm not sure which part you're saying is a lie [16:43] schestowitz Even Twitter acknledges this [16:43] schestowitz and now offers the 'solution' in Twitter blue [16:43] schestowitz Look what Trump made in Twitter [16:43] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: So ye're agreeing? [16:43] CrystalMath immibis: perhaps because i opened this in nitter, and with a browser that has trouble rendering it, is making it hard for me to find what you're talking about [16:43] schestowitz riled up a bunch of loonies [16:43] immibis CrystalMath: Were you able to read the text of the tweet? [16:43] CrystalMath immibis: yes, but it didn't even show up on top, i had to look for it [16:44] immibis 'Speaking of ... "cancel culture".' ? [16:44] CrystalMath also no images [16:44] CrystalMath because it seems that the latest felinks has horrible rendering problems with nitter [16:44] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] "Speaking of him being a creeper" no, it's this one [16:44] CrystalMath i've seen it crash even [16:44] schestowitz someone needs to type up an article [16:44] schestowitz with everything included [16:44] schestowitz Twitter is NOT a source [16:44] immibis CrystalMath: maybe you should refrain from commenting on things you can't actually view correctly [16:44] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/07/21/twitter-is-unverified-hearsay/ [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Tweets Are Not Journalism But Succinct Unverified Hearsay; Time to Treat Them Accordingly | Techrights [16:45] schestowitz maybe it's all true [16:45] immibis schestowitz: in this case because we are talking about eskimo, eskimo's tweet is a valid source [16:45] schestowitz but it's not explained clearly [16:45] schestowitz it's a bunch of disjoint statements [16:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: There's no need for coverage about eskimo anymore. [16:45] schestowitz I don't want tweets [16:45] CrystalMath immibis: maybe people should refrain from sending me links to proprietary software that i will not run? [16:45] CrystalMath and using that as "evidence" [16:45] CrystalMath direct links please [16:45] schestowitz I want a coherent explanation, and Twitter would take hours to understand... in what a decent article can do in 5 minutes [16:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] It's just CrystalMath because he thinks that eskimo was unjustly attacked [16:46] immibis CrystalMath: the tweet is the evidence. Especially if it's your own deliberate decision to not view the evidence, don't blame the rest of us for your unwillingness to view it. [16:46] schestowitz This is how we ended up having this https://stallmansupport.org/index.html [16:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - Introduction [16:46] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: The Nitter instance I use when referencing is down right now, so I have to do it like that. [16:46] CrystalMath immibis: i am trying to view it with free software but it's difficult [16:46] immibis XRevan86: yeah that is how these people work. Find any shred of doubt and latch onto it [16:46] schestowitz wherein they tell us lies about him supporting Epstein (lie), and hating women (lie) etc. [16:46] CrystalMath immibis: it's not unwillingness, i'm simply being ethical [16:46] immibis CrystalMath: tweets cannot be viewed with free software. Either accept the nonfree software or don't view the tweet. If you choose not to view the tweet, don't complain about not viewing the tweet. [16:46] tr-bridge [Noisytoot/tr] CrystalMath/fn: nitter exists for viewing twitter without nonfree software [16:47] tr-bridge [Noisytoot/tr] https://nitter.snopyta.org/ [16:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.snopyta.org | nitter [16:47] schestowitz Trumpter (Twitter) is good for mob lynching, where you overwhelm people in large groups [16:47] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] I don't have trouble viewing the post with Nitter. [16:47] schestowitz and the evidence might be somewhere [16:47] immibis it is clear that your client is unable to render this particular tweet in the intended manner, even if it can view some tweets [16:47] schestowitz but you end up being manipulated by curated "hashtags" and stuff [16:47] schestowitz http://hintjens.wikidot.com/blog:114 [16:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hintjens.wikidot.com | Why I've Quit Twitter - Hintjens.com [16:47] schestowitz that was ages ago [16:47] psydroid let's not just accept the non-free software [16:47] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] The video is also watchable, albeit it may not be ethical to watch it. [16:48] CrystalMath XRevan86: eskimo told me the full story already [16:48] schestowitz They did this to me also http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ [16:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights [16:48] schestowitz people making false statements and rile people up [16:48] schestowitz and the falsehoods never get corrected [16:48] immibis how do we know that "people making false statements and rile people up" is not itself a falsehood? [16:48] schestowitz you may not [16:48] schestowitz but start with articles [16:48] schestowitz not fast-gratifying tweets [16:49] schestowitz like "likes" (based on sides, not accuracy) [16:49] schestowitz Twitter lacks accountability [16:49] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: Oh? I didn't know there's a fuller story about recording and publishing a video of a random person scratching their private parts on a hidden camera. [16:49] schestowitz so politicians go there talking trash [16:49] immibis what about fast-gratifying IRC messages? [16:49] schestowitz anyway, I'm back to news [16:49] schestowitz immibis: yes [16:50] schestowitz but we DO NOT USE IRC AS SOURCE! [16:50] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: And that's sent to the employee. [16:50] techrights-bot #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152187 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:50] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] The point that plainoldchair makes is simply this: this is double standards about "cancel culture" [16:51] techrights-bot #LibreOffice, Typesetting, and Curl-based HTTP/WebDAV UCP http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152186 #TuxMachines [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice, Typesetting, and Curl-based HTTP/WebDAV UCP | Tux Machines [16:52] immibis schestowitz: sure we do [16:53] techrights-bot #Firefox 89 - Another redesign, another rollercoaster https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/firefox-89.html #mozilla already killed most #firefox extensions. They have no clue what to do, except pay their CEO more and more money each year. Like #ibm does... [16:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Firefox 89 - Another redesign, another rollercoaster [16:54] immibis seems accurate. But it's that or chrome or some spyware or some crippled browser or microsoft [16:54] immibis so your best option is still firefox [16:55] CrystalMath XRevan86: no it's not about this, eskimo told me about arxius, his image host, and how things went there and the history of its ToS [16:56] techrights-bot #PeaZip 8.0 is Here with Support for Even More Archive Types http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152153#comment-29933 [16:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PeaZip 8.0 | Tux Machines [16:56] CrystalMath XRevan86: as for this other thing, i mean, i've never made such videos, but a long time ago, i was also calling some people out on bad things they've done; this was horrible, but we're all flawed people [16:57] CrystalMath just because someone was once a part of "cancel culture" doesn't mean they can't turn back from that and fight against it [16:57] techrights-bot #arduino hyping up clown and other buzzwords https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/11/what-is-cloud-computing-and-what-does-it-do-for-iot/ [16:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | What is cloud computing, and what does it do for IoT? | Arduino Blog [16:58] schestowitz immibis: yes, sort of true [16:58] schestowitz it's worrying though [16:58] schestowitz many sites, like banks, would not support a broad array of browsers [16:58] schestowitz and if Firefox folds, what's left? [16:59] CrystalMath XRevan86: if you dug up past things from me, you would find pretty extreme opinions that are polar opposites of things i said today [16:59] CrystalMath XRevan86: really you can't expect anyone to be consistent, since people change all the time, everything's always in a state of flux [16:59] schestowitz people tried this on oliva [16:59] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] "was once a part" a year ago, Carol [16:59] schestowitz when he defended RMS [16:59] schestowitz they tried to cancel him too [16:59] schestowitz looked for stuff from his student days [16:59] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: Weird, I barely changed in a year. ● Jun 11 [17:00] schestowitz different times, different culture [17:00] schestowitz like "dumb blonde" jokes [17:00] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] maybe more depressed and apathetic [17:01] schestowitz maybe the only solution then is to no longer associate with people as someone might say something 20 years later [17:01] schestowitz I heard, I saw.. [17:01] schestowitz in some random tweet [17:01] schestowitz out of context [17:01] schestowitz RMS "once told me a joke about women"... which I cannot even recall or name, but please like and share [17:02] schestowitz anyway, back on topic (Free software) :-) [17:02] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: We have a specific post from a year ago that casts a person's employer. [17:02] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] is that hearsay? that's a new definition for me [17:05] techrights-bot #microsoft inside #linux = bugs and chaos https://bkhome.org/news/202106/paragon-ntfs3-driver-compatibility-issues.html #swpats also... [17:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Paragon ntfs3 driver compatibility issues [17:05] immibis schestowitz: what's left is chrome, of course. The one true browser. You may find some solace in the fact that we've been here before with IE6 and the world didn't end yet [17:06] techrights-bot Alyssa Rosenzweig: Free Software #OpenGL ES 3.1 on Mali GPUs with #Panfrost https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2021/06/11/open-source-opengl-es-3.1-on-mali-gpus-with-panfrost/ #collabora [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collabora.com | Open Source OpenGL ES 3.1 on Mali GPUs with Panfrost [17:12] BaronVladimirHar https://donotpay.com/learn/chicago-parking-tickets/ [17:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-donotpay.com | Don't Pay Chicago Parking Tickets | 235,000+ Parking Tickets Beat [Free] [17:12] BaronVladimirHar Robot lawyer. Lol [17:13] schestowitz HEY HI [17:13] BaronVladimirHar The dispute options are right on the ticket. What is there to pay these people for? [17:13] psydroid RoboRIF! [17:14] techrights-bot #Mozilla : #Firefox 89, Rust, and SUMO http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152188 #www #TuxMachines [17:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla: Firefox 89, Rust, and SUMO | Tux Machines [17:14] BaronVladimirHar I beat a parking ticket for someone. The person who wrote it got him for expired plate but wrote down Illinois and it was a Wisconsin plate. [17:15] schestowitz car ownership still sounds like a lot of chores [17:15] schestowitz same as it was 20 years ago, but now with more "smart" [17:15] BaronVladimirHar Yeah, I'm in the shop right now. [17:15] BaronVladimirHar If it's going to cost a lot I may just buy a Toyota I had my eye on last night. [17:16] BaronVladimirHar I'm done with American cars. Even when someone gives one away it ain't cheap to keep. [17:17] techrights-bot Trying the "patriotism" card to sell an overpriced phone. Not sure about everyone, but to me "made in USA" means "made for NSA, FBI, ICE and for oil companies' international conquest" (not security) https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-news-summary-may-2021/ [17:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Librem 5 News Summary: May 2021 Purism [17:18] techrights-bot "Vecows rugged AIC-100 and AIC-110 IoT gateways run Linux on an i.MX6 ULL with 2x LAN, 2x COM, USB, and mini-PCIe with SIM. The larger AIC-110 adds 2x CAN and 12x isolated DIO." http://linuxgizmos.com/compact-arm-gateways-offer-optional-can-and-isolated-dio/ [17:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/compact-arm-gateways-offer-optional-can-and-isolated-dio/ ) [17:19] BaronVladimirHar schestowitz All of these fancy computers. Sounds like Garrett never figured the damned thing out and quietly changed his own subject. [17:19] techrights-bot Selling a product names after Hitler's mate, #ibm h https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1biByoM see http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1biByoM ) [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights [17:19] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:19] *asusbox2 (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9818:8227:908b:2d5d) has joined #techrights [17:20] BaronVladimirHar They won't give you basic diagnostic telemetry now without proprietary software. It's a regression vs OBD II. [17:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.78 swarm size (avg): 243.23 [17:20] BaronVladimirHar We're basically back to proprietary vendor crap, which is the entire reason the government stepped in and forced them to use standardized codes in OBD II. [17:21] BaronVladimirHar All you're allowed to know is something vague is wrong with the car and you won't know more than that without dealer repair shops. [17:22] BaronVladimirHar And many of those bill $250 an hour now. [17:22] schestowitz there are alternatives [17:22] schestowitz but many people are indoctrinated into thinking those don't exist [17:22] immibis foreign phones are also made for all those companies, plus the CCP as well [17:22] schestowitz immibis: they don't cost $2000 ^_^ [17:23] immibis valid [17:23] schestowitz as an American, you're at greater risk from your own gov. [17:23] BaronVladimirHar There's no bike paths in Waukegan and I doubt it's high on the lists considering the troubles. [17:23] schestowitz unless you travel to China or China invades the US and puts military bases there (like a certain other nation) [17:24] BaronVladimirHar The city is already in severe decline and accelerated population loss thanks to people fatigued by high taxes and lots of crime and pollution. [17:24] BaronVladimirHar Like most of Illinois. [17:24] immibis schestowitz: hmm, don't discount the soft power the CCP would get from censoring negative speech about them [17:24] immibis like they do on tiktok [17:24] schestowitz tiktok is chinese [17:25] schestowitz US never censored American firms ;) [17:25] BaronVladimirHar They're trying to use soft power with vaccines that don't do much and are harmful in their own right. [17:25] immibis americans use tiktok, and americans use chinese phones [17:25] immibis BaronVladimirHar: bullshit, well maybe their vaccines are, but we're not taking those ones in the western world [17:26] BaronVladimirHar The Chinese are dumping vaccines that don't work in MinceR's country. [17:26] schestowitz we don't do too well here either [17:26] BaronVladimirHar Orban is even paying taxpayer money for it because the EU blew getting real vaccines so badly. [17:26] schestowitz 8000+ new cases today [17:26] schestowitz and they say 80% (almost) of adults got the first AZ shot [17:27] schestowitz death toll almost doubles again [17:27] schestowitz AZ is effective [17:27] schestowitz it makes you very ill [17:27] schestowitz millions of people vomiting at home [17:27] BaronVladimirHar The death rate vs the number of cases in Illinois is going up. [17:27] BaronVladimirHar Less tests maybe. More tilted to serious cases. [17:27] schestowitz and thinking all will be rosy afterwards, now they blame "mutant" and "variant" [17:28] BaronVladimirHar Chicago is taking a victory lap over a virus that's still out there. Which is stupid. [17:28] BaronVladimirHar They need their tourism money back though. [17:28] schestowitz Microsoft: the next vetsion of Windows will fix everything [17:28] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [17:28] schestowitz AZ: the next doze will make you fall ill, but then you will be SUPERMAN! [17:28] schestowitz *dose [17:29] BaronVladimirHar Windows 11. [17:29] techrights-bot #Plasma , Mesa, curl Update in #Tumbleweed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152190 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Plasma, Mesa, curl Update in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines [17:30] schestowitz People who pass the thing around are mostly over-confident adults [17:30] schestowitz not people who stay home and away from potential carriers [17:30] schestowitz ~60 new carriers in our city today [17:30] schestowitz sorry, 303 IIRC [17:30] schestowitz in one day [17:31] schestowitz it remains to be seen how those over-confident adults cope and then we want to assess the efficacy [17:31] schestowitz cannot be tested after 3-4 months of lock-down [17:31] techrights-bot #CuteFish is a New Linux Desktop Environment (with a Familiar Look) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152189 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CuteFish is a New Linux Desktop Environment (with a Familiar Look) | Tux Machines [17:32] *Noisytoot (noisytoot@fsf/member/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [17:32] schestowitz BillBC attributes the benefit of the circuit breakers and lockdown to AZ alone... and already looks to deflect with racism [17:32] schestowitz like blaming "dirty indians" [17:32] schestowitz typical racist, psychopath bill gates (who insisted on those patents in AZ... with Oxford research WE paid for) [17:34] immibis schestowitz: I had AZ (other vaccines were reserved for people with higher risk), didn't vomit [17:34] schestowitz good [17:35] schestowitz my friends (around my age) all had similar symptoms http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/04/21/astrazeneca-experiences/ [17:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Message of Concern About AstraZeneca (Which Now Renames Its Products to Dodge Bad Reputation) [17:35] schestowitz not to say it's not effective [17:35] immibis was *moderately* ill for one day after the first dose, nothing after the second. Nothing unmanageable, just uncomfortable. And only a few people (including me) took the day off work. Why are you saying it's terrible? [17:35] schestowitz but we work from home, so are nto rushing yet [17:35] schestowitz immibis: read above [17:36] immibis why should I trust your anecdote over my anecdote? [17:36] schestowitz I trust both [17:36] schestowitz and colleagues' too [17:36] schestowitz around my age [17:37] *pst_DEL_by_Andre has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [17:37] schestowitz they are starting to offer more options now [17:39] schestowitz I can understand why Linus (fifties) would shout at people over it [17:39] schestowitz or RMS near age 70 [17:39] schestowitz they should definitely take something [17:39] schestowitz and they probably travel more [17:39] schestowitz the rush to vaccine kids is irrational [17:39] schestowitz and based on little evidence that it would be needed [17:40] techrights-bot #Kernel : Paragon, PREEMPT_RT, #OpenZFS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152191 #Linux #TuxMachines [17:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Paragon, PREEMPT_RT, OpenZFS | Tux Machines [17:40] immibis especially when your anecdote contradicts my actual experience, and reads like the kind of nonsense antivaxxers push all the time, why should I put any weight whatsoever on it? [17:41] schestowitz Greater Manchester Police [17:41] schestowitz age groups specified, people not named [17:41] immibis the rush to vaccinate kids is because there's a rush to vaccinate everyone to get R<1 [17:41] techrights-bot #Graphics : Panfrost, NVIDIA, and AMDVLK http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152192 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Panfrost, NVIDIA, and AMDVLK | Tux Machines [17:42] immibis it wouldn't be necessary if we'd stop transmission the natural way, but we refused that, so widespread vaccination is plan B [17:42] schestowitz countries could get there by being responsible and isolating [17:42] schestowitz NZ [17:42] schestowitz not like here where people jump over each other inside indoor pubs [17:42] schestowitz with barely a mask on [17:43] schestowitz as if the jabs made them invulnerable to everything [17:43] schestowitz an attitude encouraged by the stupid, flamboyant Pry Minister [17:44] immibis do recognize it's not about governments but about people - government's job is to tell people what to do, but people's job is to actually do it (if it's good) [17:44] immibis even in many places where the government said to do all these things to reduce transmission, people didn't. "many places" mostly means many american states. [17:44] schestowitz We quit going to the gym [17:45] immibis ... although their highest level of government told them not to, so maybe they don't count either [17:45] schestowitz because of reckless users [17:45] schestowitz it's an attitude thing [17:45] schestowitz Boris "shook my hands with everyone..." Johnson [17:45] schestowitz "let the bodies pile up high" [17:45] schestowitz "shop with confidence" [17:45] schestowitz as if that's a priority... consumerism [17:46] schestowitz maybe he wants to pack up stadiums again to show us how macho he is [17:46] schestowitz when the leadership fails, you need contingent thinking [17:46] schestowitz see India/Modi [17:46] schestowitz people no longer listen to their government [17:46] immibis when the leadership fails, you would hope that the people are smart enough to do the best thing anyway [17:47] schestowitz they're in the pockets of banks [17:47] schestowitz and banks that "own" office "property" [17:47] schestowitz and they now want to force people back into office spaces [17:47] schestowitz for no PRACTICAL reasons [17:47] schestowitz immibis: sadly, both the leadership sucks and the attitude [17:48] schestowitz so people start picking up random "info" from random "man with webcam" youtube channels [17:48] schestowitz and then we end up with lunacy becoming more prevalent [17:48] schestowitz maybe more potent governments (e.g. NZ, Norway, Finland) would manage to keep it under control, if it weren't for foreign sites like FB [17:49] schestowitz which peddle crap from cretins in other countries [17:51] immibis possibly [17:52] immibis is it only right wing people who act in these ridiculous ways? It seems like an easy pattern to spot [17:52] MinceR 11 183403 < immibis> schestowitz: I had AZ (other vaccines were reserved for people with higher risk), didn't vomit [17:52] MinceR same [17:54] techrights-bot #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152193 #TuxMachines [17:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:54] schestowitz 4,000 deaths in India again today [17:57] schestowitz Wow, Peru rose to 6 deaths in 1,000 [17:57] schestowitz approaching 1% of the population [17:57] schestowitz Hungary second, MinceR [17:57] schestowitz like Orban likes it [17:57] MinceR hungary's glory days are over [17:57] schestowitz one term for Putin, then Putin's choice of US President :-) ● Jun 11 [18:01] techrights-bot "The GNOME Foundation is a US-based non-profit that owns the GNOME trademark" and fronts for the #monopolies that sponsor and man it https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2021/06/11/power-community-1/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation#Introduction [18:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Community Power Part 1: Misconceptions Space and Meaning [18:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation - Techrights [18:02] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:04] techrights-bot "In response to a question about the #GNU #Linux version becoming available at release, one of their team replied to mention "Yes it will. We have native port in works which sill requires some work but will be ready."." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/encased-a-sci-fi-post-apocalyptic-rpg-to-release-this-fall-with-a-linux-version [18:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Encased, a sci-fi post-apocalyptic RPG to release this 'Fall' with a Linux version | GamingOnLinux [18:05] techrights-bot "The Pinephone is a Linux phone that is a great idea, but currently flawed and buggy. But despite the quirks and instability, this phone is VERY important. In this review, I'll give you guys my thoughts on the #Pinephone - and whether or not you should consider buying it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqWLbjov-bQ [18:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pinephone Review (and why we NEED this phone!) - YouTube [18:06] immibis can you hack it yourself? if so, remind me to buy one [18:07] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] immibis: No, it's even more unhackable than iPhone! [18:07] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] immibis: Of course ye can %). [18:07] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] even more so, ye cannot not do that [18:07] MinceR you can run your own OS on it by inserting a microSD card without risking bricking [18:08] MinceR and it seems to be well documented and supported by several OS projects [18:08] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: There's no risk bricking [18:08] MinceR with some phones, there is [18:08] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] right, but not here [18:08] MinceR because typically they only boot from built-in flash and if you fuck up writing that, you get a brick [18:08] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Ah, that's what ye meant. Never mind. [18:08] MinceR Allwinner was smart enough to support booting from removable devices in some of their SoCs and that's what the pinephone makes use of [18:09] techrights-bot #linuxfoundation fronting for racist #ibm https://hitconsultant.net/2021/06/11/linux-foundation-public-health-global-covid-certificate-network/ this is about spying http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [18:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hitconsultant.net | Linux Foundation Public Health creates the Global COVID Certificate Network [18:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights [18:09] immibis what is it with techrights and vaccines? [18:09] MinceR vaccines are technology and we're in a global plague :> [18:09] MinceR also, apparently the owners of the Linux-Destroying Foundation are trying to abuse the Linux brand on everything [18:09] immibis yeah but why is it apparently anti them [18:09] MinceR is it? [18:10] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [18:10] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:10] MinceR what i've seen so far is that schestowitz is against rushing with vaccinating everyone, which is understandable [18:10] MinceR there are also patent issues, which bill gates is lobbying to keep in place [18:11] immibis what is wrong with a standard format for vaccination certificates [18:11] MinceR probably nothing [18:11] MinceR i wouldn't trust the likes of microsoft, ibm and vmware with it though [18:12] MinceR even if they had good intentions (which hasn't happened so far), they'd likely fuck it up [18:12] MinceR it also doesn't have anything to do with Linux [18:12] schestowitz [18:09] what is it with techrights and vaccines? [18:12] schestowitz that was NOT about vaccines [18:12] BaronVladimirHar Linux Foundation and vaccines. Wow. [18:12] schestowitz read the text, watch the video [18:12] schestowitz it's not about vaccines at all [18:12] BaronVladimirHar I didn't know the Linux kernel had anything to do with vaccines. [18:13] BaronVladimirHar Learn something new every day... [18:13] schestowitz it's IBM et al doing surveillance [18:13] immibis so what is wrong with a standard format for vaccination certificates? [18:14] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: nothing to do with Linux [18:14] schestowitz it's one of many examples where they slap the Linux brand on totally unrelated things [18:14] schestowitz they overkill it [18:15] schestowitz [11:26] #microsoft must be very, very pleased seeing how the #linuxfoundation engages in brand dilution against the brand "LINUX" (Linux means Windows, Linux means Microsoft). In some countries "colgate" just became synonymous with toothpaste so when you ask for Colgate they even give your the COMPETITORS' products. Linux as a brand? Doomed. http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/ [18:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | Techrights [18:16] schestowitz RMS also opposes this for the record, and he is VERY PRO-COVID19 VACCINATION. http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/ [18:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights [18:16] schestowitz the issue here is that companies want to build databases and control people [18:16] schestowitz and COVID just came "at the right time" for them [18:16] schestowitz Zemlin and the sunshine boys are just a marketing front, one of many [18:16] phobos pretty convenient, isn't it? [18:17] schestowitz IBM: we're going bankrupt. HELP! [18:17] schestowitz Microsoft: we're failing everywhere [18:17] schestowitz IBM: you need to bail us out, like banks [18:17] schestowitz public health depends on it! [18:18] schestowitz Microsoft: all the medical records are on Windows/Azure, there would be chaos if you let us lay off staff [18:18] phobos I'm sorry, but I don't buy that IBM is approaching bankrupt [18:18] schestowitz they become like little governments [18:18] schestowitz phobos: they lose a lot of staff [18:18] phobos I'm sure they have much more money than they are letting on [18:18] schestowitz IBM is bleeding [18:18] phobos Yeah, but that isn't anything new [18:18] phobos all companies do that [18:18] phobos lay off, hire, lay off, hire [18:18] schestowitz not equally [18:18] phobos we'll see though [18:19] phobos If they are, we'll know in the next 3 months [18:21] schestowitz the media likes to muddle things [18:21] schestowitz I recently spoke to someone from Microsoft who thought the sole issue with gates is womanising [18:22] schestowitz didn't realise the real scandal, which instigated the divorce, was the relationship with Epstein [18:22] schestowitz in IBM's case, they lie about growth [18:22] schestowitz they play with pots [18:22] schestowitz same thing Microsoft does [18:22] schestowitz rebranding and shuffling money around [18:23] schestowitz I think LF likes how Torvalds blasted some idiot, as it helps confuse people about its mass surveillance IBM campaign [18:23] schestowitz which is not about vaccination [18:23] schestowitz The PR tactics is to interject a similar story that's not the real one [18:23] schestowitz and then repeat and repeat [18:24] schestowitz people lose sight of the original criticsm [18:25] *tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] watches the PinePhone video [18:25] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] he says that his PinePhone Beta Edition came with p-boot o_0 [18:26] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Well, that's weird. [18:26] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] He didn't clarify whether his SD card was plugged or unplugged, so it's possible that he just booted from there. [18:27] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] in that case, it's an oopsie [18:28] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:28] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:29] techrights-bot #Devices : Timesys, Librem, Arduino on Clown Computing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152196 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Timesys, Librem, Arduino on Clown Computing | Tux Machines [18:29] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Also I think that pine64 started selling the PinePhone with a USB dock only recently [18:29] techrights-bot Compact Arm gateways offer optional CAN and isolated DIO http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152195 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Compact Arm gateways offer optional CAN and isolated DIO | Tux Machines [18:29] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] which makes me think that his previous "bad" PinePhone is the same phone as the new phone that he purchased [18:29] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152194 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [18:30] schestowitz did he purchase it, XRevan86? [18:30] schestowitz sometimes they ship 'gifts' to 'influencers\ [18:30] BaronVladimirHar I was way off. It's the front struts on the car. I'm having both of them replaced right now. [18:30] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: He said that he did. This one anyway. [18:31] BaronVladimirHar Not cheap but not a catastrophe. [18:31] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Anyway, I already don't like aspects of the review. [18:31] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: it can also boot from eMMC [18:32] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: He showed how he plugged in the SD card. [18:32] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i just left the OS in the eMMC in mine undisturbed after trying it out [18:32] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152197 #Linux #TuxMachines [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:32] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] and then a few clips later p-boot [18:33] MinceR sadly, i couldn't get p-boot itself to boot [18:33] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Neither could he :) [18:33] MinceR it would just turn a LED on for a few seconds and then shutdown [18:33] *antigove (~antigove@94.249.167.209) has joined #techrights [18:33] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] I think it's more likely that it's his fsck-up than Pine64's [18:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] and it feels like he's not aware that Beta Edition is the same PinePhone 1.2b as almost all the Community Edition's had except for pmOS CE and UBports CE [18:35] MinceR the back cover of the case is also different :> [18:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] and even then the differences with 1.2a (pmOS CE) and 1.2 (UBports CE) are not that significant [18:35] MinceR (in that it only has the Pine64 logo) [18:35] *antigove has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: That indeed is :) [18:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] but he claimed "bugs" [18:36] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] and I can only believe that if he had Braveheart Edition or even earlier [18:36] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] or if he tried OTG on 1.2 (UBports CE) [18:37] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] I don't know the specifics, but if he had UBports CE the docking might've had problems. [18:39] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] apart from that, there are barely any differences [18:41] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] I'll finish watching, he should address his first PinePhone. [18:44] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] > when I purchased my original model 7 months ago [18:44] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] yea, he bought the same phone twice [18:44] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] > the pmOS CE version [18:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Ah I see. They still sell those, eh? [18:45] MinceR i doubt it [18:45] MinceR when i ordered mine (BE) none of the CE-s were available for sale anymore [18:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: 7 months ago BE shouldn't be out yet [18:45] MinceR and currently only BE is available [18:46] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] but 1.2a would already be a dated platform [18:46] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] I guess they sold those anyway. [18:46] techrights-bot #FreeSoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152198 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:46] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152199 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [18:46] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Either way, 1.2b only has one fix over 1.2a, which is: "connecting a VBUS powered device lowered the screen brightness" [18:46] techrights-bot #Videos : #Makulu Shift Teaser II, Pinephone Review, and Replacing Google Photos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152200 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos: Makulu Shift Teaser II, Pinephone Review, and Replacing Google Photos | Tux Machines [18:47] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] so unless he had exactly that as a bug, he still bought the same phone twice :) [18:48] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PinePhone_v1.2b for reference [18:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.pine64.org | PinePhone v1.2b - PINE64 [18:48] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] They also say that some other backlight issues may or may not have been fixed in the process. [18:51] techrights-bot Links 11/6/2021: Nginx Rising and SteamPal Rumours http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/steampal-rumours/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/11/steampal-rumours/ [18:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 11/6/2021: Nginx Rising and SteamPal Rumours | Techrights [18:52] *asusbox (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9818:8227:908b:2d5d) has joined #techrights [18:53] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Still a better review than from Linus Tech Tips. [18:53] MinceR :> [18:53] *mmu_man (~revol@89-158-174-194.rev.numericable.fr) has joined #techrights [18:54] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [18:55] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] at least he actually looked at the current state of affairs so to speak [18:58] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] while on LTT/ShortCircuit the review was practically trying to do everything wrong and then be surprised at the bad results [18:59] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) ● Jun 11 [19:05] schestowitz XRevan86 Linux or Linus? [19:05] schestowitz iirc, there's some hugely popular youtuber called linus [19:05] schestowitz who does hardwar [19:06] MinceR that's the one who does LTT [19:06] MinceR not Linux, not Torvalds [19:06] immibis linux torvalds tips [19:06] techrights-bot "Most likely moving to #Kyndryl . Reason being is #IBM can dictate the price. Same for other pieces of IBM that are shrinking (Power, Storage, TSS, and TPP)" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1biByoMH#replies [19:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Is there any new information about IBM selling Watson Health? - post regarding IBM layoffs [19:07] MinceR :> [19:07] schestowitz MinceR: I think I saw him in passing [19:07] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: I'm talking about https://youtu.be/fCKMxzz9cjs (I mentioned it before) [19:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This $200 phone can do ANYTHING!!! - Pine64 Pinephone - YouTube [19:08] phobos except run iOS [19:08] phobos ;) [19:09] MinceR i suppose you could run it in qemu [19:09] MinceR not sure why anyone would want to, though [19:10] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] "can do anything" I think it means that it's a general-purpose computer :) [19:10] techrights-bot #mozilla on its #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware -hosted based 'software' for 'big data'... "sensitive data users explicitly decided to share with us (think, just as an example, things as sensitive as full URLs)." https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2021/06/11/danger-zone-handling-sensitive-data-in-glean/ #firefox [19:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Danger zone: handling sensitive data in Glean Data@Mozilla [19:10] MinceR i thought it meant that it was almighty :> [19:10] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] not that it can run some bit of proprietary code targeted at a different particular platform [19:11] techrights-bot "With the advent of Glean, Mozillas Data Org took the opportunity to improve this area, allowing our internal customers to build better data products." "Customers"?! #mozilla #firefox "Data products"? #google #surveillanceCapitalism #microsoft https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2021/06/11/danger-zone-handling-sensitive-data-in-glean/ [19:11] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: We need to teach it the American values before it's too late [19:11] MinceR :> [19:12] techrights-bot If you don't think #mozilla and #firefox have become a little dodgy, then you probably haven't paid much attention in recent years... http://techrights.org/2019/11/03/the-privacy-scam/ [19:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Facebook and Other Surveillance Capitalists Wont Save Mozilla From Google Dependence | Techrights [19:13] techrights-bot #GNU #Guix : Reproducible data processing pipelines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152201 #webm #TuxMachines [19:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Guix: Reproducible data processing pipelines | Tux Machines [19:15] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] One of the good things that the this new review does that LTT didn't is figure out that if BE is out with Manjaro KDE, then that should be the software to review [19:15] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] while LTT looked at an unfortunately broke pre-built Mobian first and then at an alpha-quality mess that p-boot is. [19:16] MinceR that's funny because KDE on pmOS is less buggy than KDE on manjaro [19:16] MinceR and phosh on pmOS is less buggy than KDE on pmOS [19:16] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [19:16] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] They bashed phosh (on GTK 3) for being slow [19:17] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Did ye try phosh on Mobian or Manjaro yet? [19:17] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [19:17] MinceR since KDE on manjaro was preinstalled, i tried that first [19:17] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:17] MinceR i didn't try phosh on any OS other than pmOS [19:18] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Like I said before, in my experience something is wrong about phosh on pmOS. [19:18] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] it's considerably slower animation-wise than on anything else [19:18] MinceR it didn't seem so to me but i turned off animations anyway [19:19] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: When ye scroll, ye have to observe some animation, right? [19:19] MinceR indeed [19:19] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] well that's total trash [19:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.51 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.53 swarm size (avg): 243.27 [19:21] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Regarding KDE, I didn't find anything wrong with the keyboard other than autocomplete [19:23] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] https://youtu.be/pOhmDeih19g a whole hour of extremist materials with English subtitles, don't watch it definitely [19:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- - YouTube [19:26] techrights-bot Lisandro Damin Nicanor Prez Meyer: Firsts steps into #QML https://perezmeyer.com.ar/blog/2021/06/21/firsts-steps-into-qml/ #kde [19:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-perezmeyer.com.ar | Firsts steps into QML Solo s que se querer, que tengo Dios y tengo fe [19:27] techrights-bot Linux Foundation Newsletter June 2021 released just now... and OF COURSE IT RUNS ON WINDOWS!!! #microsof #windows https://www.linux.com/audience/developers/linux-foundation-newsletter-june-2021-lgbtq-scholarship-save-25-on-all-training-certification-5g-super-blueprints-spdx-for-supply-chain-security-open-source-trademarks/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/proprietary-iis-and-windows-foundation/ [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation Newsletter June 2021: LGBTQ Scholarship, Save 25% On All Training & Certification, 5G Super Blueprints, SPDX for Supply Chain Security, Open Source Trademarks - Linux.com [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Newsletter is Microsoft Windows and Proprietary IIS | Techrights [19:29] techrights-bot Humble are giving away #SurvivingMars for the next 72 hours | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/humble-are-giving-away-surviving-mars-for-the-next-72-hours #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/11/#latest [19:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Humble are giving away Surviving Mars for the next 72 hours | GamingOnLinux [19:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [19:29] techrights-bot #HowTo Easily Rename Files in Linux - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/rename-files-in-linux/ #maketecheasier | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/11/#latest [19:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Easily Rename Files in Linux - Make Tech Easier [19:30] techrights-bot Linux Kernel Prepares For Intel Xeon CPUs With On-Package HBM Memory - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Prepares-Xeon-HBM #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/11/#latest [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Kernel Prepares For Intel Xeon CPUs With On-Package HBM Memory - Phoronix [19:33] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] One could claim that even the first ten minutes paint a clear picture but one would be an extremist sympathiser. [19:33] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] don't be that one [19:36] MinceR :> [19:40] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/05/05/f6d0d76b0f973db7.jpg [19:40] *phobos has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [19:41] *stormchaser3000 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Jun 11 [20:09] techrights-bot Things WINE can do... https://www.xda-developers.com/use-itunes-chromebook/ #xda-developers | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/11/#latest [20:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xda-developers.com | Can I run iTunes on a Chromebook? [20:12] techrights-bot Bootloader #Grub 2.06 improves security http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152087#comment-29935 [20:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GRUB 2.06 release | Tux Machines [20:14] techrights-bot #Openwashing by #linuxfoundation https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/10/snowflake_data_marketplace/ #ProprietarySoftware [20:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Snowflake agrees it's good to share... on its platform, while Databricks opts for a more vendor-neutral approach The Register [20:15] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [20:16] AdmFubar damn! apple scammers are in full force today.. 4 call this afternoon so far [20:18] techrights-bot Best #Programming Languages for Machine Learning https://www.technotification.com/2021/06/programming-languages-for-machine-learning.html #technotification | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/11/#latest [20:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.technotification.com | Best Programming Languages for Machine Learning [20:20] techrights-bot Bribe, not "Research Award" https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2021/Q2/purdue-researchers-receive-amazon-research-award-for-streaming-video-analytics-method-on-iot-devices.html academi being distorted by oligarchs and corporations. This one will help #surveillance [20:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.purdue.edu | Purdue researchers receive Amazon Research Award for streaming video analytics method on IoT devices - Purdue University News [20:23] techrights-bot "Founder Josh Cliffords created #FreeWater after volunteering with refugees who had revealed the water scarcity issues they had faced." https://www.bevnet.com/news/2021/freewater-launches-with-a-foundation-and-focus-in-philanthropy/ [20:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FreeWater Launches With A Foundation And Focus In Philanthropy - BevNET.com [20:24] immibis half of academia has always focused on useful things and been partially funded by industry, this is not new [20:25] techrights-bot First Apache Ignite Summit Energizes Global Audience | Benzinga https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/21/06/g21513193/first-apache-ignite-summit-energizes-global-audience #benzinga | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/11/#latest [20:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-First Apache Ignite Summit Energizes Global Audience | Benzinga [20:29] *stormchaser3000 (iansutter@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [20:30] *stormchaser3000 has quit (Client Quit) [20:39] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/756599.jpg [20:46] BaronVladimirHar A Jeep with a cat mod. [20:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://img.pr0gramm.com/2 ) [20:47] MinceR :) [20:49] BaronVladimirHar https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/6/10/22528115/microsoft-windows-11-startup-sound-new-teaser-video [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft teases new Windows 11 startup sound with 11-minute video - The Verge [20:49] BaronVladimirHar Maybe because it takes 11 minutes to boot now. [20:49] MinceR ooh, a new startup sound [20:49] MinceR and new icons [20:50] MinceR imagine what would happen if someone developed a UI where users could replace the startup sound and the icons [20:51] BaronVladimirHar I always disabled the startup sound on Windows because it was annoying and it was something the computer had to load while it was trying to boot up. [20:51] BaronVladimirHar The one on Windows 98 was just insanely long too. [20:53] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] "Windows 11" the heck? [20:54] psydroid Windows 1337 ● Jun 11 [21:06] *AdmFubar has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:07] BaronVladimirHar Internet Explorer Mode is disabled by default in Edge. [21:07] BaronVladimirHar Pretty clear they don't want to make it easy to access unless you know you have a damned good reason to. [21:07] MinceR can you also disable Edge Mode in Edge? :> [21:08] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [21:08] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] That would be Chromium Mode? [21:08] MinceR it would be, if the whole point of Idiot Edgesploiter wasn't to try and ride on the coattails of chromium and pretend microshit developed something new :> [21:11] BaronVladimirHar They do work upstream on Chromium. [21:11] MinceR is it like their hype-V stuff in Linux? [21:12] BaronVladimirHar No, it's generally applicable to any browser that uses Chromium. [21:12] MinceR i mean the code quality [21:18] BaronVladimirHar Well, it gets double checked by Google for what that's worth. [21:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.98 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.51 swarm size (avg): 243.31 [21:20] techrights-bot #Openwashing https://venturebeat.com/2021/06/10/rudderstack-targets-developers-with-open-source-customer-data-platform/ [21:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RudderStack targets developers with open source customer data platform | VentureBeat [21:27] *asusbox (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9818:8227:908b:2d5d) has joined #techrights [21:27] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9818:8227:908b:2d5d) has joined #techrights [21:32] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [21:32] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:53] gustaf https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-and-gnu-move-official-irc-channels-to-libera-chat-network [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [21:54] MinceR RIP, FSF ● Jun 11 [22:01] psydroid why not an irc.gnu.org server with bridges to Freenode and LC? [22:02] MinceR because that would not make it easier for FSF's enemies to try cancelling the FSF again and to interfere with the operations of the FSF [22:12] *stormchaser3000 (~iansutter@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [22:14] MinceR (audio) https://hugelol.com/lol/756377 [22:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hugelol.com | just taking my fish out for a walk [22:15] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] > and once we had weighed the community feedback we received along our criteria and personal experiences as Freenode channel operators, our choice of Libera.Chat became clear [22:15] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Sure. [22:16] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/friday-gift-microsoft-teams-bugs-puts-calls-directly-in-voicemail/ [22:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Friday gift: Microsoft Teams bug puts calls directly in voicemail [22:18] gustaf psydroid: apparently the current irc.gnu.org points to Freenode [22:22] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] They need to update that. [22:22] MinceR they say they'll delete the record [22:23] MinceR maybe they'll remake it later, but presumably they don't want unwary users' clients to send freenode credentials to libera [22:29] *kn\ (~sinister@darkness.ge) has joined #techrights [22:30] kn\ FSF is leaving freenode [22:30] MinceR we know [22:30] MinceR they're circling the drain [22:31] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [22:31] *Noisytoot (noisytoot@fsf/member/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [22:33] gustaf I hardly think the choice of IRC network is fatal to the FSF [22:34] MinceR not immediately [22:34] MinceR it's just another control they've handed to the people who wanted to cancel them [22:36] kn\ cool story. [22:37] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] And I quote: "and personal experiences as Freenode channel operators, our choice of Libera.Chat became clear" [22:37] gustaf bit far-fetched [22:37] gustaf I mean, where do they host fsf.org? [22:38] gustaf that's a bigger target [22:38] MinceR "look, a three-headed monkey!" [22:39] gustaf the #fsf channel has a bit more then 200 nicks in it [22:40] gustaf also, given the choice of a network that *might* cancel them in the future, and a network that *has* cancelled multiple channels already, the choice is easier [22:41] MinceR that's a gross misrepresentation of both what libera opers did and what freenode did [22:41] kn\ Anyway [22:41] kn\ I am not here to debate anything [22:43] gustaf I saw what I saw MinceR [22:43] gustaf I was in a channel that was hijacked [22:43] MinceR and you have no idea why or how it was hijacked, or you wouldn't have called "cancelling" [22:44] gustaf Freenode staff decided THEY knew better than US how to run the channel [22:44] psymin MinceR, which irc network do you think they should choose? [22:44] MinceR and you didn't look at the list of their opers and the list of the signatures on the anti-RMS letter, or you wouldn't have referred to it as a potential cancellation in the future [22:44] gustaf MinceR: our channel was cancelled from Freenode [22:44] MinceR i think they should have chosen umbrellanet [22:44] gustaf no ifs or buts [22:45] MinceR so the newest defense from cancel culture is now they're calling everything "cancelled" [22:45] gustaf "cancel culture" means nothing [22:45] gustaf it's just "PC" gussied up [22:46] gustaf and RMS is back on the FSF board [22:46] gustaf solid voting majority behind him [22:46] MinceR so i guess we all just hallucinated RMS being cancelled earlier [22:46] MinceR yes, he came back [22:46] MinceR and so the corporate SJW puppets tried to cancel him again [22:46] gustaf ok, define how he was cancelled [22:46] MinceR along with the board [22:46] MinceR read this >> https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ [22:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.io [22:46] gustaf because really [22:46] gustaf it would be good to have an example [22:47] gustaf I;ve read it all MinceR [22:47] gustaf I wasn;t born yesteray [22:47] MinceR or you could stop trying to argue in bad faith [22:47] gustaf I read the original defense letter by that weirdo [22:47] gustaf where he said he liked his women between 12 and 16 [22:47] MinceR really, i have better things to do than waste my attention on someone who wants microsoft and ibm to control the FSF and own its copyrights [22:47] gustaf lol that's what you think? [22:48] gustaf and you think I want that? [22:48] gustaf how hte hell did you make that connection? [22:48] gustaf whateve [22:49] gustaf the FSF has had years to deal with this [22:49] gustaf but go ahead and white knight them [22:49] gustaf I'm sure they appreciate it [22:49] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] who the fuck cares [22:49] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] it is a goddamn irc network [22:49] MinceR who cares at this point [22:49] MinceR if the FSF wants to be destroyed, let them destroy themselves [22:50] gustaf ok so now they're the bad guys? [22:50] gustaf man [22:50] gustaf gettign whiplash here [22:50] MinceR they're behaving in a careless, self-destructive manner [22:50] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] The former freenode staff is out to get FSF [22:50] schestowitz they chose another master [22:50] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] there are certainly valid criticisms of the FSF in relation to the board's stewardship (which was broken before RMS got "cancelled" anyway) [22:51] schestowitz which includes people who want to undermine them [22:51] MinceR yeah, how dare the board support RMS when the holy corporations decided he must go [22:51] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i would have preferred that they went with self-hosting, and tried hard to make the case privately [22:51] gustaf I'm pretty sure IRC isn't a big communications channel for FSF [22:51] schestowitz self-hosting would be the way to go [22:51] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] lately they use jitsi a lot more [22:51] MinceR it especially won't be once anyone who disagrees with the corporate puppets gets k-lined [22:52] gustaf comparative advantage [22:52] gustaf MinceR: like IRCcloud? ;) [22:52] MinceR i don't know about irccloud [22:52] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] irccloud is non-free software [22:52] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] who cares [22:52] gustaf why run your own infra if someone else can do it for oyu, for free even! [22:52] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: IRCCloud got k-lined today [22:52] MinceR is that like the mibbit issue from earlier? [22:52] MinceR yes, but why [22:52] psydroid lol [22:52] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] dunno, but I saw the word "accidentally" [22:52] schestowitz bbl [22:52] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] gustaf it is not for free, you give up your autonomy over personal logs when you use irccloud [22:53] MinceR if it was "accidental", was it not removed since? [22:53] psydroid k-lined on that other network? [22:53] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] so I assume a host of a bad actor got banned [22:53] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Don't know if it was or not. [22:53] gustaf MinceR: apparently , freenode staff wanted to k-line a bunch of cloaks who had posted in ##moving-to-libera, and someone made a boo-boo and included all of IRCcloud's cloaks [22:53] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] psydroid: Yes, on freenode. [22:53] techrights-bot HEY HI based, based on buzzwords and hooey. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210610005179/en/New-AI-Based-Clinical-Trial-Matching-Solution-Deep-Lens%E2%80%99-Viper%E2%84%A2-Expanding-Offering-to-Cancer-Patients-at-Norton-Healthcare [22:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com | New AI-Based Clinical Trial Matching Solution, Deep Lens Viper, Expanding Offering to Cancer Patients at Norton Healthcare | Business Wire [22:53] MinceR anyway, i don't know why anyone would even want to use irccloud [22:53] MinceR gustaf: ah, so the usual incompetence [22:53] gustaf mhmm [22:54] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] gustaf: Oh, that's worse than I imagined [22:54] MinceR i'm guessing the usual shit happened on ##moving-to-libera [22:54] tr-bridge [bingo/tr] all of you are loonies [22:54] tr-bridge [bingo/tr] i'll leave it at that [22:54] gustaf that channel is reserved now [22:54] MinceR which they did on various freenode channels before [22:54] gustaf can't be registered [22:54] techrights-bot #RISCV boffins lay out a plan for bringing the architecture to high-performance computing https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/10/riscv_hpc/ [22:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | RISC-V boffins lay out a plan for bringing the architecture to high-performance computing The Register [22:54] psymin I'm grumpy that freenode hijacked a few channels at least [22:54] gustaf every day brings new drama [22:54] *psymin nods. [22:55] psymin give us something to look forward to upon waking up :D [22:55] MinceR i'm grumpy about that too [22:55] gustaf I should really start writign this down [22:55] MinceR but somehow it doesn't make me want to move any channels to a network run by corporate SJWs [22:56] MinceR especially when there are over 400 other networks i could choose from [22:56] gustaf the channel hijacking, someone k-lining a /16 block, shifty characters recruited to staff, [22:56] techrights-bot "Blockchain is essentially a database technology with attributes that, taken alone, are not unique to it, but which collectively produce a technological breakthrough in how digital information is stored, verified and exchanged." Wasn't this hype wave dying last year already? https://searchcio.techtarget.com/Blockchain-for-businesses-The-ultimate-enterprise-guide [22:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchcio.techtarget.com | Blockchain for Businesses: The Ultimate Enterprise Guide [22:56] gustaf the nickserv snagging [22:56] psydroid bingo, you got it and the prize is eternal ignoration [22:56] gustaf it's been 3 weeks but feels longer [22:56] MinceR bingo left long ago [22:57] MinceR connected just to say those 2 lines and then left [22:57] gustaf Ariadne: when I meant infra, I was referring to FSF using Libera or hosting their own IRC server [22:57] psydroid bingo got a hefty bonus for that [22:58] gustaf I don't use IRCcloud myself, but I know people who do, and Twitter was full of people posting how they had been banned from Freenode [22:58] techrights-bot "I predict based on observation in the trenches that if p11 remains most of the design will move to pok and boe with less dependency on Austin, would also explain why #ibm pulled out of leasing domain tower 2 for power just prior to covid on direction of Ginny." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1beUeseK#replies [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | When will next RA in System BU's Power Line - post regarding IBM layoffs [22:58] gustaf that's what's called an "unforced error", I believe [22:59] techrights-bot Racist Watson on sale by #ibm h https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1biByoMH#replies http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ [22:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Is there any new information about IBM selling Watson Health? - post regarding IBM layoffs [22:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights [22:59] kn\ wtf ^ ● Jun 11 [23:00] kn\ they guys are going into shit far too much [23:00] kn\ you guys* [23:00] kn\ btw [23:00] techrights-bot #ibm doesn't care about people preferring to work from home and #covid19 still being a thing https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bh52BMX#replies [23:00] kn\ your site fucking sucks. [23:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | September 7th 2021 - IBM workers are returning to the office - post regarding IBM layoffs [23:00] gustaf rude [23:01] kn\ terrible design [23:01] MinceR so basically you hate freenode and you hate techrights, so you hang around on freenode/#techrights [23:01] MinceR yes, that makes a lot of sense [23:01] gustaf but the design *is* a bit dated [23:01] MinceR "dated" design is good [23:01] kn\ at 1999 design is good? [23:01] kn\ huh [23:01] gustaf I personally enjoy the mid-2000s esthetic [23:01] kn\ a* [23:01] psydroid IBM/Red Hat employees shilling here now? [23:01] psydroid how sad and pathetic is that? [23:01] MinceR it means you don't have to run a Fugaku just to read some text, see some images and follow some links [23:01] techrights-bot "Exerting too much control is terrible for your teams morale. Heres how building trust can resolve that." https://builtin.com/people-management/micromanagement [23:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-builtin.com | How To Avoid Micromanagement | Built In [23:02] gustaf what is it with some people and te belief that people who disagree with them must be paid shills? [23:02] psydroid it's content that people come for [23:03] gustaf deep cut [23:03] techrights-bot #India And Tech Companies Clash Over #Censorship , #Privacy And 'Digital Colonialism' https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/npr/2021/06/10/1004387255/india-and-tech-companies-clash-over-censorship-privacy-and-digital-colonialism/ #NPR itself takes bribes from Digital Colonists to push their agenda, lies, and propaganda [23:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.houstonpublicmedia.org | India And Tech Companies Clash Over Censorship, Privacy And 'Digital Colonialism' | NPR & Houston Public Media [23:03] gustaf the fugaku reference [23:04] techrights-bot More #surveillance https://skift.com/2021/06/11/zytlyn-raises-2-5-million-for-data-based-prediction-travel-startup-funding-this-week/ [23:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zytlyn Raises $2.5 Million for Data-Based Prediction: Travel Startup Funding This Week Skift [23:05] gustaf the site atually works in w3m [23:05] MinceR see, that's "dated" [23:05] gustaf arguably looks a bit better ;) [23:05] MinceR the "modern" thing to do is to pretend that you can't render text, pictures or make links work without javascript loaded from 9001 domains [23:06] psydroid it works in Gemini clients too [23:06] psydroid which I am happy about [23:06] techrights-bot #China arrests over 1000 for using #cryptocurrency to help launder proceeds of phone scams https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/china_crypto_crackdown_continues/ [23:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | China arrests over 1000 for using cryptocurrency to help launder proceeds of phone scams The Register [23:07] gustaf I've been using semantic markup forever [23:07] gustaf and styling it w/ CSS [23:07] techrights-bot Well, they need to prosecute #Clearview and people who are responsible for deploying such stuff https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/canadas_privacy_watchdog_said_police/ [23:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Mounties messed up by using Clearview AI, says Canadian Privacy Commissioner The Register [23:07] gustaf even tried hoppng on the XHTML train! [23:08] gustaf that was a mistake [23:08] gustaf tooling wsan't there [23:08] MinceR what a train wreck that was [23:08] gustaf yeah [23:08] gustaf standards overreach [23:09] MinceR i liked the idea but not how they implemented it [23:09] kn\ CrystalMath: you smell like shit [23:09] techrights-bot Google wants to look like it cares about your #privacy with Android 12 Beta 2, but note that's not how #Google works The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/10/google_android_12_beta_2/ #theregister | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/11/#latest [23:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Google wants to look like it cares about your privacy with Android 12 Beta 2, but note that's not how Google works The Register [23:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [23:09] CrystalMath kn\: why the hostility? what's this about? [23:09] gustaf ok I'm off [23:09] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/amazon_insider_trading/ [23:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Amazon exec's husband jailed for two years for insider trading. Yes, with Amazon stock The Register [23:09] kn\ CrystalMath: you smell like shit [23:09] kn\ :) [23:09] kn\ idk [23:10] kn\ m bored [23:10] kn\ im bored [23:10] MinceR maybe find something productive to do [23:10] kn\ you seem like a person to troll considering you want America to die [23:10] MinceR you have a computer with an Internet connection [23:10] CrystalMath kn\: i don't want it to die... [23:10] CrystalMath i just want it to stop being the worldwide police [23:10] kn\ and you want the human race to die [23:10] *stormchaser3000 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [23:10] kn\ lol [23:10] CrystalMath that is, i want america to leave other countries alone [23:11] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210605/18403946939/doj-says-time-to-add-ransomware-attacks-to-ever-expanding-war-terror.shtml [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DOJ Says It's Time To Add Ransomware Attacks To The Ever Expanding 'War On Terror' | Techdirt [23:11] kn\ you want King Putin to be able to freely invade countries [23:12] psydroid ok, enough is enough [23:13] AdmFubar https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/mcdonalds-cyber/ [23:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New cyberattack on McDonald's highlights a rapidly growing threat - Alternet.org [23:13] kn\ Mcdonalds deserves it. [23:13] kn\ Bad company [23:13] kn\ they pay their employees shitty [23:13] kn\ and [23:14] kn\ they treat their employees like shit [23:14] kn\ worse job [23:17] schestowitz AdmFubar: thanks, good finds [23:17] schestowitz our site works with almost every browser from the past 20 years, inc. minimalist browsers [23:17] schestowitz same goes for FSF and GNU Web sites [23:17] schestowitz the invisible benefits [23:18] techrights-bot "Whether it's Linus flipping off the camera or Arch users letting you know they think they're better than you, we have a Linux meme for every walk of life and every style. Come, let's laugh at silly internet pictures of a Linux nature." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m89Fg7BtlY [23:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"BTW, I use Arch" is my vibe check. - YouTube [23:18] CrystalMath kn\: tbh america would be a lot better if the other side won during the whiskey rebellion [23:19] techrights-bot Another sci-fi adventure joins #ScummVM https://www.scummvm.org/news/20210611/ [23:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scummvm.org | ScummVM :: Home [23:19] CrystalMath less taxes, more individual freedom [23:19] CrystalMath i know america pretends to stand for that even now but if things were different it wouldn't just be pretending [23:19] techrights-bot Guilty Gear: Strive Works Great With Proton https://boilingsteam.com/guilty-gear-strive-works-great-with-proton/ #games #gnu #linux [23:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Guilty Gear: Strive Works Great With Proton - Boiling Steam [23:20] MinceR they would have just kept trying [23:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.88 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 19.38 swarm size (avg): 243.35 [23:20] MinceR states are dependent on being able to take value away from people under their power [23:21] techrights-bot #fsf has made a mistake. It should have taken this opportunity to self-host IRC. https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-and-gnu-move-official-irc-channels-to-libera-chat-network missed opporunity, @fsf [23:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [23:22] AdmFubar https://www.darkreading.com/mobile/many-mobile-apps-intentionally-using-insecure-connections-for-sending-data/d/d-id/1341276 [23:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | Many Mobile Apps Intentionally Using Insecure ... [23:24] techrights-bot #LWN on #systemd http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152193#comment-29936 we can all agree now that it's not an init system. Some would argue that it's #redhat #ibm vendor lock-in ploy. [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [23:24] MinceR it's an "init system" whenever it's comfortable for it to be one to the person arguing on favor of it :> [23:25] techrights-bot Rescuing a GNU/Linux system from near disaster | Network World https://www.networkworld.com/article/3621772/rescuing-a-linux-system-from-near-disaster.html #networkworld #gnu #linux [23:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Rescuing a Linux system from near disaster | Network World [23:25] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has left #techrights [23:26] techrights-bot #Skyve : Cross-platform #freesw low-code platform https://medevel.com/skyve/ "Skyve is released under LGPL-2.1License." [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Skyve: Cross-platform open-source low-code platform [23:27] techrights-bot #MySQL 101: Installation, care, and feeding on #Ubuntu https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/mysql-101-installation-care-and-feeding-on-ubuntu/ [23:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | MySQL 101: Installation, care, and feeding on Ubuntu | Ars Technica [23:29] techrights-bot Converting Twisteds inlineCallbacks to async https://patrick.cloke.us/posts/2021/06/11/converting-twisteds-inlinecallbacks-to-async/ [23:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patrick.cloke.us | Converting Twisteds inlineCallbacks to async [23:31] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/756293.jpg [23:31] techrights-bot "Mobile" things were never compatible with #security and #privacy anyway... by their very nature. https://www.darkreading.com/mobile/many-mobile-apps-intentionally-using-insecure-connections-for-sending-data/d/d-id/1341276 [23:32] techrights-bot Intel Alder Lake Thunderbolt/USB4 Support For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Alder-Lake-Thunderbolt-Linux #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/11/#latest [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Alder Lake Thunderbolt/USB4 Support For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [23:35] techrights-bot "Dont forget to take the Annual Fedora Survey and claim your badge!" https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2021-23/ #ibm distributing badges to volunteers instead of giving them a salary. Virtual badges, nothing that's even physical... [23:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-23 Fedora Community Blog [23:36] techrights-bot "Today, Fre(i)e Software GmbH has been contracted for packaging Kurento Media Server for Debian. This packaging project will be funded by GUUG e.V. (the German Unix User Group e.V.). A big thanks to the people from GUUG e.V. for making this packaging project possible." https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/133 [23:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sunweavers.net | New Debian Packaging Team: BBB Packaging Team (and Kurento Media Server goes Debian) | sunweaver's NET [23:36] *kn\ (~sinister@darkness.ge) has left #techrights ("WeeChat 3.0") [23:43] BaronVladimirHar Okay, so they fixed two problems with my car and now the parking brake shoe on the rear right is banging around on right turns. So I'm going back tomorrow to just have the parking brake show itself removed. The parking brake didn't work anyway, so I had the cable ziptied off to the side. [23:43] BaronVladimirHar They said they wouldn't charge me anything to take care of that. I've been a repeat customer because nothing they've ever done has turned out wrong. [23:43] BaronVladimirHar *shoe [23:44] BaronVladimirHar This is just poor design by GM. [23:46] BaronVladimirHar https://www.npr.org/2021/06/11/1005567149/3-experts-have-resigned-from-an-fda-committee-over-alzheimers-drug-approval [23:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | 3 Experts Quit An FDA Panel Over Alzheimer's Drug Approval : NPR [23:46] techrights-bot #Kernel: Thunderbolt/USB4 and #Intel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152205 #Linux #TuxMachines [23:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Thunderbolt/USB4 and Intel | Tux Machines [23:46] BaronVladimirHar schestowitz: The FDA science advisors are resigning because the FDA is approving expensive drugs that don't seem to work. [23:47] techrights-bot #OpenHardware : #RISCV and #RaspberryPi 4 Model B http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152204 #GNU #Linux [23:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware: RISC-V and Raspberry Pi 4 Model B | Tux Machines [23:47] techrights-bot #Games : #SurvivingMars , ScummVM, Guilty Gear: Strive http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152203 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Surviving Mars, ScummVM, Guilty Gear: Strive | Tux Machines [23:47] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152202 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [23:47] BaronVladimirHar There's a good chance that the amyloid plaque that appears in brains of Alzheimer's patients is not the cause of the disease itself, and therefore removing the plaque won't have any noticeable impact on the disease. [23:48] BaronVladimirHar Also, the CDC today said that people who get the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine are coming down with heart inflammation. [23:50] techrights-bot Fails to mention an obvious conflict of interest. The person (and company) that wrote this blog post is mostly sponsored by Google, so there is no expectation of objectivity; cannot criticise who pays the salary. https://lwn.net/Articles/859246/rss [23:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Privacy analysis of FLoC (Mozilla blog) [LWN.net] [23:51] techrights-bot #Mozilla #surveillance https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2021/06/11/danger-zone-handling-sensitive-data-in-glean/ outsource to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware prison in NSA PRISM [23:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Danger zone: handling sensitive data in Glean Data@Mozilla [23:52] techrights-bot #Mozilla won't protect your privacy; it will protect its revenue sources, which view #privacy as a business obstacle. [23:53] schestowitz MinceR: XRevan86: new https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7e77y/the-dollar149-smartphone-that-could-bring-the-linux-mobile-ecosystem-to-life [23:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | The $149 Smartphone That Could Bring The Linux Mobile Ecosystem to Life [23:55] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i do think that the pinephone and postmarketOS are our best shot at liberating the mobile ecosystem [23:56] techrights-bot #centos being assassinated by #ibm didn't make #rhel clones go away. The IBM management team is worse than clueless. https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/rocky-linux-8-4-rc1-available-now/ [23:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hpcwire.com | Rocky Linux 8.4 RC1 Available Now [23:56] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i am trying to nudge alpine into giving postmarketOS more support, both in terms of $ and resources [23:57] MinceR :) [23:57] techrights-bot " #Twitter is swelling with rumors of a master plan coming from the Ryan Cohen-led #GameStop (NYSE:GME) board. Holders and retail trading conspiracy theorists are piecing together a thought-provoking puzzle." https://investorplace.com/2021/06/gme-stock-what-are-the-gamestop-gme-crypto-dividend-rumors/ [23:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GME Stock: What Are the GameStop (GME) Crypto Dividend Rumors? | InvestorPlace [23:58] techrights-bot Huawei's #HarmonyOS already has 134,000 apps, over 4 million developers have signed on https://www.gsmarena.com/huaweis_harmonyos_already_has_134000_apps_over_4_million_developers_have_signed_on-news-49552.php [23:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Huawei's HarmonyOS already has 134,000 apps, over 4 million developers have signed on - GSMArena.com news