●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 ●● ● Oct 12 [00:02] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: can you read another, please? [00:04] schestowitz-TR maybe MinceR wants to have a go? [00:07] AdmFubar You ducking the tornadoes out your way Daemon? [00:10] *kingoffrance has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:11] DaemonFC Just some rain, really. [00:11] DaemonFC WGN didn't mention tornadoes, just bisexual Superman. [00:13] DaemonFC I guess while they're updating Superman anyway, he can be a bisexual who reads scripts handed to him from Rupert Murdoch and occasionally recommends products from Amazon. [00:14] DaemonFC He spends his time making advances at Lois and Jimmy, and get gets fired because they joined the MeToo movement. [00:15] DaemonFC It's kind of a catch-22 to express any sort of fondness for someone these days. [00:16] AdmFubar chicago are is under a tornado watch... southwest of the city is a tornado warning [00:16] DaemonFC If you don't, you'll never know if they're interested in you, and if you do, it might be the end of your career and there could be a lawsuit. [00:16] DaemonFC But liberals are always looking for ways to get in and attack any semblance of normality and decency. [00:17] DaemonFC And since you can hardly have a family without expressing interest in someone or engaging in pair bonding, they have to make it professionally dangerous to the point where you'll give up and find a nice sex robot or something. [00:19] DaemonFC MinceR, One of the things I never noticed in Fallout New Vegas is FISTO the sex robot. [00:19] DaemonFC I finally decided to do more side quests and it came up in one of them. [00:20] DaemonFC People were laughing about the noises it would make in the cutscenes where the screen goes dark and my copy doesn't do that. [00:20] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: mind if I pass a draft? [00:20] DaemonFC I'm guessing some nasty women complained and got it removed in a patch. [00:20] schestowitz-TR we are getting tons of leaks [00:20] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, sure [00:20] schestowitz DaemonFC: thanks. http://techrights.org/2021/10/11/swiss-roll-legal-fudge/ [00:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Betrayal Not Only of Swiss Workers But All European Workers, Courtesy of Roland Grossenbacher and Christian Bock | Techrights [00:25] MinceR Kit Fisto? [00:25] schestowitz-TR MinceR: I used your alpha male animation [00:25] schestowitz in http://techrights.org/2021/10/11/swiss-epo-role/ [00:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part IX: More Holes Than Swiss Cheese | Techrights [00:29] DaemonFC Looks okay. [00:29] DaemonFC Making dinner. [00:29] schestowitz-TR ty :-) [00:29] schestowitz-TR enjoy dinner [00:29] schestowitz-TR say hi to mandy [00:29] DaemonFC I don't know how the "coffee marinade" will work out, but it was cheap to whip up. [00:29] DaemonFC Mostly just leftover coffee from this morning. [00:31] *includeals has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [00:35] *includeals (~includeal@a94-132-138-99.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [00:36] MinceR :) [00:39] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156667 #Linux #TuxMachines [00:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:40] techrights-news #MatrixChat Adoption by Community in 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156668 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Matrix Chat Adoption by Community in 2021 | Tux Machines [00:40] techrights-news #Seahorse : Manage Your Passwords & #Encryption Keys in Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156669 #freesw #gnu #linux [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Seahorse: Manage Your Passwords & Encryption Keys in Linux | Tux Machines [00:41] techrights-news #Gaming on #Fedora http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156670 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gaming on Fedora | Tux Machines [00:41] techrights-news Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156671 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #EPO [00:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [00:43] schestowitz > Re: Delta Variant specialist busy at work (not PhotoShopped) [00:43] schestowitz I remember this photo. [00:43] schestowitz The sociopaths who govern FL refuse to even reveal how many it kills; like North Korea and China they worry more about their image than about reality. [00:45] DaemonFC "But he also remembers printing out the entirety of Linuxs kernel code. I dont recommend doing this today." [00:46] DaemonFC schestowitz, Linux Foundation published an article about Walmart today. [00:46] DaemonFC I had no idea what any of it even meant. [00:46] DaemonFC That's how bad the bullshit is getting. [00:46] DaemonFC They use codewords now to describe relatively simple computing concepts so they sound trendy. [00:46] DaemonFC I'm sure it means something if you translate it. [00:47] schestowitz-TR yes, LF is "poo" [00:47] schestowitz-TR said one who worked there [00:47] schestowitz-TR Carla Schroder [00:47] DaemonFC Other than a few bugs here and there which really are hardly worth mentioning, Debian 11 works well. [00:47] schestowitz-TR cool :-) [00:47] DaemonFC I've had more trouble from that damned T-Mobile router and NordVPN. [00:48] schestowitz-TR "I move to 11" [00:48] schestowitz-TR Debian, not Service Pack 11 [00:48] DaemonFC I'm considering opening up the router and splicing in an external antenna. [00:48] schestowitz-TR yoiu can run gemini from home [00:48] schestowitz-TR from your debian laptop [00:48] schestowitz-TR it's very easy [00:49] schestowitz-TR if you keep it turned on, it'll serve pages [00:49] DaemonFC I can't believe it takes megabytes to load CNN. [00:49] DaemonFC Megabytes, so I can read an article! [00:50] schestowitz-TR that's not the main bottleneck [00:50] schestowitz-TR CPU is [00:50] schestowitz-TR and RAM [00:50] schestowitz-TR do a benchmak [00:50] schestowitz-TR for one article [00:52] DaemonFC It's much worse with the ad blocker off. [00:52] DaemonFC https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/11/business/gas-prices-oil-opec/index.html [00:52] altlink_c37 cnn.com is Cloudflare domain. [00:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gas prices skyrocket as the global energy crisis worsens - CNN [00:52] altlink_c37 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/11/business/gas-prices-oil-opec/index.html [00:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Gas prices skyrocket as the global energy crisis worsens - CNN [00:53] DaemonFC They don't mention that Biden is issuing oil drilling permits faster than Trump was. [00:53] techrights-news [Meme] Extreme Views About #SoftwareFreedom http://techrights.org/2021/10/11/fud-facepalm/ #freesw #fud [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Extreme Views About Software Freedom | Techrights [00:54] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: Biden is "good cop" [00:54] schestowitz-TR they both run a police state [00:54] schestowitz-TR with vaccine MANDATES [00:54] schestowitz-TR for a rather weak vaccine [00:54] techrights-news The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part IX: More Holes Than Swiss Cheese http://techrights.org/2021/10/11/swiss-epo-role/ #europe #corruption #iloat #patents [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part IX: More Holes Than Swiss Cheese | Techrights [00:55] DaemonFC https://news.yahoo.com/illinois-eviction-moratorium-over-whats-210000514.html [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Illinois' eviction moratorium is over. What's next? [00:55] DaemonFC I'm no expert, but I'd say evictions, logically. [00:55] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [00:55] schestowitz-TR they need to buy more time from the 'peasants' [00:55] schestowitz-TR the people will revolt soon [00:55] schestowitz-TR so they can pass more laws with pandemic as fig leaf [00:55] DaemonFC I'm hearing stories of landlords refusing the state grant money to keep people paid up. [00:56] DaemonFC THey just want you out now if you can't pay. They know the program will run out of money eventually and they'll have to take you back to court in a few months. [00:56] techrights-news Betrayal Not Only of Swiss Workers But All European Workers, Courtesy of #RolandGrossenbacher and #ChristianBock http://techrights.org/2021/10/11/swiss-roll-legal-fudge/ #europe #corruption #iloat [00:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Betrayal Not Only of Swiss Workers But All European Workers, Courtesy of Roland Grossenbacher and Christian Bock | Techrights [00:56] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, The landlord raised our rent $25. [00:56] schestowitz-TR yay [00:56] DaemonFC But he's back at advertising units in this building for $20 more than that. [00:57] schestowitz-TR because things are booming anyway [00:57] schestowitz-TR next: energy prices [00:57] schestowitz-TR then food prices [00:57] schestowitz-TR they'll say it's because of "transport cost" [00:57] schestowitz-TR welcome Greater Great Depression [00:57] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, That's fine. I don't think he knows I got a small washer so I don't have to use his expensive broken down shit. [00:58] DaemonFC You have to do your laundry in smaller loads. 3 loads is about 1 full size washer. [00:58] techrights-news The 168th Meeting of the #EPO Administrative Council as a Test of the EPO's Oversight Mechanisms http://techrights.org/2021/10/11/epo-administrative-council-168th-meeting/ #europe #corruption #iloat #patents [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The 168th Meeting of the EPO Administrative Council as a Test of the EPOs Oversight Mechanisms | Techrights [00:58] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I opened a money market checking account just to pay the rent out of. [00:58] DaemonFC I get 6 checks or debit card purchases per month, but that's fine because I only write one check on it, to him. [00:58] schestowitz-TR brb, handover at work [00:59] DaemonFC That way it sits there and earns interest until he cashes it, and the checks are free. [00:59] DaemonFC So no buying money orders. ● Oct 12 [01:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@88r255v3cjkdy.irc) has joined #techrights [01:03] *inky (~inky@141.136.76.213) has joined #techrights [01:05] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [01:10] techrights-news Building a Retro GNU/Linux #Gaming Computer - Part 7: The Arena Eternal | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/building-a-retro-linux-gaming-computer-part-7-the-arena-eternal #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games [01:10] altlink_c37 gamingonlinux.com is Cloudflare domain. 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Can Mozilla Save It? - Destination Linux [01:13] techrights-news DD Is Useless: Just Use CAT Instead - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7cO4SEsoZxg #video #invidious #gnu #linux [01:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | DD Is Useless: Just Use CAT Instead - Invidious [01:18] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.03 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 16.40 swarm size (avg): 260.73 [01:25] techrights-news RMS: "Although I revile what people wish to say nowadays, I don't believe censorship can lead to anything but tyranny." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#11_October_2021_(Celebrating_freedom_of_speech) [01:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [01:25] MinceR good luck zeroing out only the start of a block device with cat [01:26] techrights-news "In this video, we are looking at how to install #Debian 11.1, the #KDE edition." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pZal7vAhb6U #gnu #linux [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Debian 11.1 Run Through - Invidious [01:27] techrights-news #linuxfoundation #openwashing #walmart now, i.e. the usual PR services http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [01:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [01:28] techrights-news "Poland is headed for a confrontation with the EU about whether the EU courts are superior to Polish courts, as the EU requires of member countries." #upc #teamupc #unitarypatent #unifiedpatentcourt #epo https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#11_October_2021_%28Poland_and_EU%29 [01:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [01:29] *altlink_c37 has quit (connection closed) [01:29] *altlink_051 (~altlink_051@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [01:29] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:29] *immibis_ (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [01:29] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@88r255v3cjkdy.irc) has joined #techrights [01:29] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:30] *immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:30] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:31] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:31] *rianne_ (~rianne@88r255v3cjkdy.irc) has joined #techrights [01:33] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [01:34] techrights-news "Some of those minors were children; others were adolescents. The article lumps them together, so we can't tell how many were in each age range. Please do not call adolescents "children"; that tends to infantilize them." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#11_October_2021_%28Losing_parent_or_caregiver_to_Covid-19%29 [01:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [01:34] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@j7sw6ffz4gfv8.irc) has joined #techrights [01:34] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:36] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@88r255v3cjkdy.irc) has joined #techrights [01:38] techrights-news Rescuing a Frozen #GNU Linux System With Some Magic - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/rescuing-a-frozen-linux-system-with-some-magic/ #boilingsteam #howtos [01:38] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:39] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@88r255v3cjkdy.irc) has joined #techrights [01:39] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:39] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:40] *activelow (~activelow@w4ctnmabnemdw.irc) has joined #techrights [01:40] techrights-news #microsoft #windows is a legacy OS https://libreoffice-dev.blogspot.com/2021/10/you-use-windows-7-and-libreoffice-71.html [01:42] techrights-news #Games: Building a Retro Linux Gaming Compute, Book of Travels, and The Room http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156672 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:42] techrights-news #OSCAL, Open Labs, #Mozilla & grooming women for Outreachy http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156673 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:42] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156674 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:44] techrights-news Linux Can Now Run on Apples M1 Chipset http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156507#comment-31339 [01:45] *CrystalMath has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:45] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:46] techrights-news #phoronix shilling #wsl again. Sign. Nobody uses this crap, Michael, and it's an ATTACK on #gnu #linux http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/ don't help #Microsoft #googlebombing [01:46] *CrystalMath (~coderain@hdqpa5tfmmibi.irc) has joined #techrights [01:48] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:48] techrights-news "Wow, what nice guys micro$oft :P They are starting to make more and more stuff only available through their store something no one asked for but a more apple move." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1283980-microsoft-publishes-wsl-preview-inside-the-windows-11-store [01:49] altlink_051 phoronix.com is Cloudflare domain. [01:49] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1283980-microsoft-publishes-wsl-preview-inside-the-windows-11-store [01:49] *rianne (~rianne@88r255v3cjkdy.irc) has joined #techrights [01:50] techrights-news Things To Consider When Filing Bug Reports - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=g8Iht0vE2y4 #video #invidious [01:52] DaemonFC schestowitz, https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/12/developer-of-the-better-app-which-provides-a-content-blocker-for-safari-considers-quitting-due-to-apples-plans-to-invade-user-privacy-with-csam-scanner/ [01:53] techrights-news I'm taking note of who's shilling #microsoft attack on #gnu #linux to googlebomb our news with #vista11 spam [01:54] techrights-news #Q4OS 4.6 Quick overview #Shorts - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1HQoChMEE_M #video #invidious #gnu #linux [01:55] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [01:56] techrights-news Richard Stallman links to a #billgates -bribed paper that is responsible for the murder of journalists https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#11_October_2021_%28Journalist_murders%29 e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/10/julian-assange-ecuador-embassy-wikileaks-us-sweden [01:57] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights [01:57] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [01:58] DaemonFC schestowitz, The maintainer of Better sounds an awful lot like me as a teenager. [01:59] DaemonFC I tried to disentangle the ads and tracking mess from the web as it existed then with a HOSTS file. [01:59] techrights-news #zdnet is shilling #vista11 in the "LINUX" section. #boycottZDNet http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet [01:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights [01:59] DaemonFC Unfortunately, Windows 9x had a bug that was never fixed where if the HOSTS file was more than I think 150 KB, it would be horribly slow and your applications would start giving you random lookup errors. ● Oct 12 [02:01] DaemonFC So I ended up trying to figure out how prevalent the most common pests were and putting them into a slimmer HOSTS file, and then I noticed that lookups to 0.0.0.0 failed faster and the file was smaller than with 127.0.0.1. [02:02] DaemonFC It was crude, but sufficient, to use a HOSTS file that way back then. I even started installing spyware into a scratch copy of Windows to see what ad servers it would perform lookups to, and then I added them in an adware/spyware section because I had room left. [02:02] techrights-news No, #deleteWindows and other software with #backdoors in it https://kifarunix.com/is-a-firewall-box-all-you-need-for-home-and-small-office-security/ [02:02] altlink_051 kifarunix.com is Cloudflare domain. [02:02] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://kifarunix.com/is-a-firewall-box-all-you-need-for-home-and-small-office-security/ [02:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is a Firewall Box All You Need for Home and Small Office Security? - kifarunix.com [02:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://kifarunix.com/is-a-firewall-box-all-you-need-for-home-and-small-office-security/ ) [02:03] DaemonFC Today, Windows Defender will pop up and warn you that something tried modifying the HOSTS file and then reset it if you try to modify it. [02:03] schestowitz-TR :-) [02:03] DaemonFC So you have to exclude it from being monitored. Then if you add any of the Microsoft Telemetry or ad networks to it, Windows will disregard those entries. [02:03] schestowitz-TR Windows is legacy to us [02:03] schestowitz-TR let's hope it dies fast [02:03] schestowitz-TR not the WSL shills are out in full force [02:04] schestowitz-TR inc. zdnet, brad linder, and michael larabel [02:09] techrights-news Latest #Openwashing by #LinuxFoundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156675 #walmart #Linux #TuxMachines [02:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest Openwashing by Linux Foundation | Tux Machines [02:11] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:11] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@r7zq4q2ys63yk.irc) has joined #techrights [02:11] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I guess Mozilla doesn't really want people using ESR releases of Firefox. [02:11] DaemonFC So why do they even have them? [02:14] DaemonFC THey hide "Linux" from the download page now. [02:14] DaemonFC Just Mac and Windows. [02:14] schestowitz-TR well... [02:14] schestowitz-TR many gnu/linux distros COME with Firefox [02:14] *activelow didn't touch any modern browser in weeks [02:14] schestowitz-TR by default [02:14] schestowitz-TR and some can install it with package manager [02:15] schestowitz-TR I doubt many gnu/linux users get binaries from moz [02:15] schestowitz-TR activelow: mayeb do an essay about it [02:15] schestowitz-TR I read about people who went no GUI for weeks [02:16] DaemonFC The Flatpak and Snap versions are probably more popular than the tarbalss. [02:16] DaemonFC *tarballs [02:17] techrights-news This is NOT competitive with #gnu #linux SBCs and moreover it comes with #malware ... a FAILURE in the making for sure. https://liliputing.com/2021/10/morefine-m6-is-a-tiny-pc-powered-by-intel-jasper-lake-crowdfunding.html [02:17] altlink_051 liliputing.com is Cloudflare domain. [02:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Morefine M6 is a tiny PC powered by Intel Jasper Lake (Crowdfunding) - Liliputing [02:17] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://liliputing.com/2021/10/morefine-m6-is-a-tiny-pc-powered-by-intel-jasper-lake-crowdfunding.html [02:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Morefine M6 is a tiny PC powered by Intel Jasper Lake (Crowdfunding) - Liliputing [02:17] DaemonFC You can just deploy it as an application image and get the latest version and completely bypass Debian if you want. [02:18] techrights-news "Here at FOSSlife, we stand with this global effort and aim to remove barriers to learning..." and promote #microsoft / #proprietarySoftware with #openwashing of that criminal firm https://www.fosslife.org/recognizing-international-day-girl [02:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | Recognizing International Day of the Girl [02:18] DaemonFC DuckDuckGo now puts Microsoft's browser extension store ahead of Google's. [02:19] techrights-news New GNU/Linux Screencasts and Videos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156679 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New GNU/Linux Screencasts and Videos | Tux Machines [02:19] techrights-news #pgAdmin 4 v6.0 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156680 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | pgAdmin 4 v6.0 Released | Tux Machines [02:20] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: they're a Micreosoft front [02:20] schestowitz-TR they use Bing and Azure [02:20] schestowitz-TR hosted by Microsoft [02:20] schestowitz-TR queries Microsoft [02:20] schestowitz-TR you gotta facedesk when you see gnu/linux users shilling ddg [02:21] activelow don't intend to, google blocks tor exits [02:21] schestowitz-TR they get so badly and deeplt offended if you point this out to them [02:22] activelow i am not shilling this, it is a fact [02:22] schestowitz-TR "damn you, i was enjoying ddg illusion" [02:22] schestowitz-TR "now all the fun is gone and microsoft knows many bad things about me" [02:23] schestowitz DaemonFC: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Walmart-L3AF-eBPF [02:23] altlink_051 phoronix.com is Cloudflare domain. [02:23] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Walmart-L3AF-eBPF [02:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Walmart Pushes Open-Source L3AF To Help Out eBPF Ecosystem - Phoronix [02:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Walmart Pushes Open-Source L3AF To Help Out eBPF Ecosystem - Phoronix [02:24] DaemonFC https://www.npr.org/2021/10/11/1045084433/no-charges-will-be-filed-against-officers-who-fatally-shot-winston-smith-in-minn [02:24] altlink_051 npr.org is Cloudflare domain. [02:24] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.npr.org/2021/10/11/1045084433/no-charges-will-be-filed-against-officers-who-fatally-shot-winston-smith-in-minn [02:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | No charges will be filed against officers in the fatal shooting of Winston Smith : NPR [02:24] DaemonFC When asked, the government said there was no Winston Smith, and therefore it couldn't file charges. [02:24] DaemonFC And then it deleted its own statement too. [02:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 504 @ https://web.archive.org/save/_embed/https://www.npr.org/2021/10/11/1045084433/no-charges-will-be-filed-against-officers-who-fatally-shot-winston-smith-in-minn ) [02:27] techrights-news #Lutris out to #deletegithub https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Lutris-0.5.9-Released #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [02:27] altlink_051 phoronix.com is Cloudflare domain. [02:27] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Lutris-0.5.9-Released [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lutris 0.5.9 Released With Support For The Epic Games Store, New Options - Phoronix [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Lutris 0.5.9 Released With Support For The Epic Games Store, New Options - Phoronix [02:27] DaemonFC "However, while Mozilla describes Firefox Suggest contextual suggestions as opt-in, in BleepingComputer's tests and from what users have reported [1, 2], the feature is on by default." [02:27] DaemonFC It's on by default in the Flatpak. [02:28] DaemonFC It doesn't even ask or tell you what it is. [02:29] activelow I did create a custom build for seamonkey, and firefox/mozilla sources and config was full with call-to-home URLs [02:29] activelow independent from Firefox Suggest feature [02:32] MinceR 12 031714 < DaemonFC> You can just deploy it as an application image and get the latest version and completely bypass Debian if you want. [02:32] MinceR i completely bypass debian by not even installing debian [02:34] techrights-news #suse is boosting the #fraud which is #gartner 'ratings' https://www.suse.com/c/suse-linux-enterprise-server-rating-of-4-5-out-of-5/ a bunch of charlatans and scammers http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group [02:34] activelow checking this: "safebrowsing" feature, "phishing protection", "telemetry info", search url, "update service", another "version check" url, "addons", "plugin finder" (for pdf), "crash stats", "geolocation api" for google, [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Achieves Rating of 4.5 out of 5 [02:34] altlink_051 suse.com is Cloudflare domain. [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gartner Group - Techrights [02:34] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/suse-linux-enterprise-server-rating-of-4-5-out-of-5/ [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/suse-linux-enterprise-server-rating-of-4-5-out-of-5/ ) [02:34] activelow i pointed all of those URLs to 127.0.0.1 and firefox continued flawless [02:36] activelow this was firefox 52.4; which i was maintaining a custom build for up until recently, and not sure anymore if or how to continue [02:36] techrights-news Fewer liabilities for #pension giants http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-111021.html#tOct%2011%2013:37:59 [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 11, 2021 [02:37] activelow the main reason to quit this entirely is... javascript, because such browsers (all of them) are merely a proprietary malware host nowadays [02:38] techrights-news #Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 704 https://ubuntu-news.org/2021/10/11/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-704/ [02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntu-news.org | Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 704 [02:38] techrights-news techpol + social irc Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-111021.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-111021.txt GEMINI: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-111021.txt [02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 11, 2021 [02:39] activelow the only solution to this: boycott mozilla, boycott apple, boycott google, boycott facebook and any other involved with this [02:39] techrights-news techrights irc Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-111021.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-111021.txt GEMINI: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-111021.txt [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 11, 2021 [02:39] techrights-news Things Are Looking Brighter! But Not The Stars | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/10/11/things-are-looking-brighter-but-not-the-stars/ #hackaday [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Things Are Looking Brighter! But Not The Stars | Hackaday [02:39] activelow the alternatives: text console browsers such as links or lynx or w3m; or netsurf [02:39] schestowitz-TR activelow: yes, [02:40] schestowitz-TR the browser used to be a canvas [02:40] schestowitz-TR now it's just a platform to run tons of untrusted code [02:40] schestowitz-TR with latched onto the system [02:40] schestowitz-TR drm, video etc. [02:40] techrights-news boycottnovell irc Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. 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HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-111021.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-111021.txt GEMINI: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-111021.txt [02:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 11, 2021 [02:41] activelow problem is, there is not option available, to at least navigate online banking for example, or wikipedia authoring [02:42] activelow i think netsurf doesn't suffice anymore [02:43] activelow not blaming gnu/fsf, i think it is impossible to win anything anymore at the web browser front [02:44] techrights-news Contrary to the misleading image that says "LINUX", along with the headline, the root cause has nothing to with Linux https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/trend-micro-linux-malware-targets-huawei-cloud-a-17714 [02:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bankinfosecurity.com | Trend Micro: Linux Malware Targets Huawei Cloud [02:44] schestowitz-TR activelow: so get APPS [02:44] schestowitz-TR get a "PHONE" [02:44] schestowitz-TR for banking etc. [02:44] schestowitz-TR chrome or android [02:44] schestowitz-TR that's the option [02:44] schestowitz-TR we got rid of Windows [02:44] techrights-news Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-10-11.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2021-10-11.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:45] schestowitz-TR now we still wrestle with malicious code [02:45] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/12/firefox-takes-another-step-in-the-direction-of-being-malware-with-firefox-suggest/ [02:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Firefox takes another step in the direction of being malware with Firefox Suggest. BaronHK's Rants [02:45] schestowitz-TR from the company that funded FSF [02:45] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: good [02:46] schestowitz-TR I mentioned that weeks ago [02:46] DaemonFC "How much longer will Free operating systems like Debian continue ignoring their own Free Software Guidelines to package this? It already had a grabber thats on by default to download Google DRM blobs, and now this. [02:46] DaemonFC Its bad enough that Fedora chucked its own Free Software policy out the door when IBM took them over, and started pushing Zoom, Microsoft Teams, and Microsoft Edge. [02:46] DaemonFC How is it that Debian says the firmware to run my wifi, SSD, and graphics chip isnt allowed but Widevine DRM blobs and a malicious keylogger in Firefox are fine? [02:46] schestowitz-TR when they first mentioned "Suggest" [02:46] DaemonFC Sounds like someone at Debian should explain this." [02:46] schestowitz-TR BTW [02:46] schestowitz-TR Firefox had Microsoft keylogger in 2014 [02:46] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2014/11/28/microsoft-firefox/ [02:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Will Relay Firefox User Input (Even Keystrokes) to Microsoft and the NSA Through Yahoo in the US | Techrights [02:47] activelow mozilla only? all modern browsers are horrible by design. [02:47] activelow *all* of them [02:47] techrights-news #RaspberryPi CM4 Used in Custom Nintendo Switch Lite Replica http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156681 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi CM4 Used in Custom Nintendo Switch Lite Replica | Tux Machines [02:48] DaemonFC schestowitz, I updated that. [02:48] DaemonFC "How is it that Debian says the firmware to run my wifi, SSD, and graphics chip isn't allowed (in the official image, which will lead some people to think Debian is broken and not bother figuring out why....while others have to know there's a real installer that has firmware that is semi-hidden) but Widevine DRM blobs and a malicious keylogger in Firefox are fine?" [02:48] techrights-news Best #GNULinux Distro for #Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156682 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Linux Distro for Programming | Tux Machines [02:48] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: can we reproduce later? [02:48] schestowitz-TR try to mention 2014 [02:48] DaemonFC Yeah [02:49] schestowitz-TR it is not unprecedented [02:49] schestowitz-TR but back then Mozilla was not widely condemned yet [02:49] schestowitz-TR i need sleep now [02:50] DaemonFC I think a lot of the reason why there are so many downstream Debian-based distributions is that their official policies are kind of all over the place on this sort of stuff. [02:50] DaemonFC And you can't get your computer working with the default image, but when you figure it all out, at least Firefox wil lbe waiting with adware and DRM. [02:50] MinceR 12 034609 < DaemonFC> "How much longer will Free operating systems like Debian continue ignoring their own Free Software Guidelines to package this? It already had a grabber thats on by default to download Google DRM blobs, and now this. [02:51] MinceR forever [02:51] MinceR debian is now a systemd distribution [02:51] MinceR systemd is nonfree [02:51] MinceR Linux and most of its distributions are now dumping grounds for microsoft and ibm where they put their shit [02:52] MinceR also, debian is digging the hole they're in deeper and deeper [02:53] MinceR the more time passes the more difficult it would be to remove the proprietary crap [02:54] activelow it is impossible already; because if the crap is removed then any system is effectively exclude from economic, political, social and technical participation [02:54] activelow MinceR: try to participate with authoring on wikipedia with netsurf browser [02:54] activelow needless to say, i don't accept libreoffice for wikipedia authoring either [02:55] *immibis_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:55] activelow or, remove all pdf and office document format support from your system in favor of TeX... have fun [02:56] MinceR i'm not sufficiently fond of wikipedia to try that [02:57] MinceR it's a battleground of political interests and also they're way too eager to delete articles [02:57] *immibis_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [02:57] activelow just an example, try to watch any youtube video instead [02:57] MinceR does netsurf support the html5 video element? [02:57] activelow no [02:57] MinceR :> [02:58] MinceR youtube does a heap of mostly unnecessary stuff on top of that [02:58] activelow or try to publish any video on youtube, because, any target audience mostly resides on youtube, or facebook [02:58] activelow although it is possible to remove the malicious toxic shit from gnu/linux distros, then any developer or user is effectively excluded from participation everywhere ● Oct 12 [03:00] activelow and politics? they are praising this as "innovation" and "progress" [03:01] activelow "internet"? criticial infrastructure? doomsday [03:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@88r255v3cjkdy.irc) has joined #techrights [03:01] activelow students aren't at least lectured the relevant stuff anymore, beginning in schools. [03:03] samiamsam the browsers are out of control [03:06] samiamsam wait how do you mean systemd is nonfree? [03:06] samiamsam MinceR: [03:10] XRevan86 , MinceR systemd. [03:10] XRevan86 https://i.imgur.com/v14NdUO.jpeg [03:10] altlink_051 imgur.com is Cloudflare domain. [03:10] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/v14NdUO.jpeg [03:10] DaemonFC LOL [03:11] DaemonFC They pushed an update to the Super Tux Kart Flatpak that was 1.2 KB. [03:11] DaemonFC It said no change update except to add the permission fallback-x11 [03:14] DaemonFC " [03:14] DaemonFC Left the computer running overnight with locked screen and in the morning, gnome-software is using 3 GB of RAM." [03:14] DaemonFC :/ [03:15] DaemonFC https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/-/issues/191 [03:15] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 156285 total Total pages: 37691 Active: active (running) since Sun 2021-10-10 09:33:45 BST; 1 day 17h ago [03:15] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 4.0 GB TotalOut: 2.1 GB [03:15] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gitlab.gnome.org | gnome-software sometimes has high memory usage (#191) Issues GNOME / gnome-software GitLab [03:16] DaemonFC Philip Withnall @pwithnall 5 months ago [03:16] DaemonFC Maintainer [03:16] DaemonFC There have been a number of improvements to memory usage in gnome-software for version 40.0, which is the currently supported version. [03:16] DaemonFC Theres no additional actionable information to go on in this issue, so Im going to close it. If there are still memory usage issues with gnome-software 40.0 (and there might well be), please open a new issue about it and provide details about what you were doing in gnome-software. [03:16] DaemonFC Thank you. [03:18] DaemonFC :) [03:18] DaemonFC That reminds me of JWZ complaining of Apple closing a bug like this 15 years later by saying many things had changed in Mac OS. [03:18] DaemonFC And something like that happening between GNOME 1 and GNOME 2. [03:19] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:20] DaemonFC https://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/why-i-use-safari-instead-of-firefox/ [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org | jwz: Why I use Safari instead of Firefox [03:20] DaemonFC Can't figure out one program that looks different than the rest. Calls Firefox "Linux". [03:20] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [03:21] activelow maybe anyone could help me? trying netsurf-fb now on framebuffer console... the binary executes, and nothing but regular blinking cursor is shown :( [03:21] activelow in case anyone had installed netsurf with netsurf-fb available, to try on text console if this works? [03:22] DaemonFC Sergey Bugaev @bugaevc 5 months ago [03:22] DaemonFC Right now on my machine running GNOME 40, gnome-software --gapplication-service is running in the background and consuming 186.4 MB (as reported by GNOME System Monitor) or 239 MB (RSS as reported by htop). Note that it's running in the background and is not displaying any UI. [03:22] DaemonFC Should I open a new issue? [03:22] DaemonFC --- [03:22] DaemonFC So not only is the maintainer saying update your GNOME, which won't happen in Debian for a couple of years, but then the current version does the same thing. [03:23] DaemonFC --- [03:23] DaemonFC Philip Withnall @pwithnall 5 months ago [03:23] DaemonFC Maintainer [03:23] DaemonFC Sure, open a new issue. Its unlikely therell be any further progress on reducing memory consumption in the GNOME 41 cycle, though, as we have other things to prioritise this cycle. [03:23] DaemonFC --- [03:23] DaemonFC But it won't be fixed in GNOME 41 either and they have other priorities. [03:23] DaemonFC Like Trump during Vietnam. [03:25] activelow so, after excluding modern browsers since these failed minimum acceptance testing, digging elsewhere yielded this: [03:26] activelow links is buggy and the source code is, uhm, special... failed. [03:27] activelow netsurf-fb has unacceptable limitations (no tabbed browsing) and it isn't showing anyting on /dev/fb0 here... failed. [03:29] activelow lynx browser remains, it is what it is, limited; w3m is clumsy, and neither lynx nor w3m show images on framebuffer console [03:33] *aprates (~aprates@sourcehut/users/aprates) has joined #techrights [03:33] *aprates has quit (Client Quit) [03:34] *aprates (~aprates@sourcehut/users/aprates) has joined #techrights [03:39] *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). 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[03:41] MinceR samiamsam: it does not qualify per the Free Software Definition >> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html [03:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | What is Free Software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [03:41] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [03:41] *Now talking on #techrights [03:41] *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Unofficial channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org [03:41] *Topic for #techrights set by superkuh!~superkuh@user/superkuh at Thu May 20 20:25:48 2021 [03:41] MinceR > Free software means software that respects users' freedom and community. [03:41] MinceR systemd is the opposite of that [03:42] samiamsam how so [03:42] samiamsam pretty sure w3m and lynx are breaking for ipv6 [03:42] MinceR it was designed by rh/ibm so they could usurp control over people's computers [03:43] MinceR their behavior shows clearly that they have no respect for what users want [03:43] MinceR systemd forces policy poettering happens to like or what rh/ibm was paid to enforce, against users' wishes [03:43] activelow AdmFubar: had not seen nyxt in gentoo tree yet, it is written in lisp (rare), and seems part of guix; depends on what nyxt dependencies are (rendering backend, don't know yet) [03:43] samiamsam what policy [03:44] MinceR and they took over distributions and forced it as a dependency on software including gnome so that it would be difficult for people to get rid of it [03:44] MinceR libsystemd is part of that [03:44] MinceR policies like killing all processes you started from your session on logout [03:44] MinceR which breaks screen, tmux, dtach [03:44] samiamsam well you need to enable linger [03:44] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [03:44] MinceR no, i need to use a free software OS [03:45] MinceR which debian used to be, before rh/ibm took over [03:45] samiamsam you can enable linger by default for the whole system [03:45] *immibis (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [03:45] activelow "which breaks screen, tmux" ... fascinating. is this true MinceR ? cannot believe this. [03:45] MinceR yup [03:45] *immibis (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [03:45] MinceR this particular sort of brain damage was even copied into elogind [03:45] *activelow is rolling on the floor [03:45] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [03:45] MinceR and someone i know personally suffered because of that [03:45] samiamsam i've got no problems using tmux or screen [03:45] MinceR neither have i [03:46] MinceR i also don't boot into an emergency prompt hidden on an inactive virtual console [03:46] MinceR and my machines don't hang forever instead of shutting down, either [03:47] MinceR the underlying motivation of systemd appears to be making everything that used to be GNU/Linux dependent on something only a few people at rh/ibm understand and churn the code at a high rate to make maintaining forks impractical [03:47] samiamsam systemd user interface is tops bro i love it so much [03:47] MinceR so that they can get as many people to buy support contracts as possible [03:47] MinceR and so that they can sabotage competing distros [03:47] samiamsam i do have the emergency prompt enabled though to deal with shutdown though lol [03:47] MinceR samiamsam: i can recommend to you a system you'll love even more [03:47] MinceR systemd copied a lot from it [03:48] MinceR and the whole attitude will also be familiar [03:48] MinceR it's called microsoft windows [03:48] samiamsam let me show you a shell script i wrote using systemd bro you tell me if it looks like windows [03:48] MinceR though it's even better -- you aren't merely pretending that the design of the kernel is so poor that processes are expensive and it makes sense to stuff unrelated functionality together in one process [03:49] MinceR because the design of the NT kernel really is that bad [03:49] samiamsam https://git.cryptonomic.net/firefix.git/plain/your-fired.sh [03:49] MinceR you should already know that writing shell scripts is heresy [03:49] MinceR there's a reason systemd moves a lot of functionality from shell scripts to poorly written undocumented C code [03:52] samiamsam the shell scripts sucked [03:52] MinceR and yet here you are, showing off one of them [03:52] MinceR there was also some mountspace policy that was changed because one of rh's clients paid them to do it [03:52] MinceR and so it was changed for every systemd user [03:52] samiamsam i'm showing you how the script uses systemd [03:52] samiamsam duno if you actually looked at it [03:53] activelow to remain honest with systemd/logind: killing all processes on logout can be configured, seems doing so is default [03:54] MinceR it's a stupid, non-unix default [03:54] MinceR but it's there because poettering likes it [03:54] samiamsam but it's a setting [03:55] activelow and there are reasons for this MinceR [03:55] MinceR cherish that [03:55] MinceR because the cult doesn't like letting the user choose [03:55] samiamsam dude i don't have to cherish it [03:55] samiamsam i enable linger and then don't think about it [03:55] MinceR this site is run by the same cult >> http://islinuxaboutchoice.com/ [03:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-islinuxaboutchoice.com | Is Linux About Choice? [03:55] MinceR not thinking about it is indeed appropriate when using systemd, windows or macos [03:55] samiamsam systemd is better software than te crap it replaced [03:55] MinceR no, it is not [03:55] samiamsam well i love it [03:55] MinceR good [03:56] MinceR that's why i'm telling you you're going to love windows even more [03:56] samiamsam glad debian adopted it [03:56] MinceR there was no point in debian adopting it [03:56] samiamsam it makes it so much easier [03:56] samiamsam for debian [03:56] activelow samiamsam: systemd didn't replace any predecessor (only some parts); it is a new design [03:56] MinceR the cult is officially against all forms of variety and diversity [03:56] activelow systemd introduces a layer in between kernel-space/user-space -> sort of a system-layer in between kernel and user [03:56] MinceR they should have just all used fedora or rHELL [03:56] samiamsam clean beautiful interfaces omg they so good [03:57] samiamsam systemd is really the os [03:57] MinceR lol [03:57] MinceR nice bait [03:57] activelow and this didn't exist before, and i do not want this [03:57] MinceR "clean beautiful interfaces" according to random systemd cultist: having to specify a DNS-based path three times in 2 different formats to send a message [03:57] samiamsam ah well don't use it i guess [03:57] MinceR also having to reboot to restart the dbugs daemon [03:58] MinceR yeah, that was the idea [03:58] MinceR until your cult took over debian and tried to force that malware on me anyway [03:58] MinceR not that it matters anymore, as they also got to Linus and started shitting into Linux as well [03:58] MinceR and if i'm replacing the kernel, i might as well use the userland that comes with the new kernel [03:58] MinceR with a lot less bloat [03:59] samiamsam i just upgraded debian until systemd took over, but man, it's so much better when you read the manual pages and learn all the shit you can do omfg so good [03:59] MinceR it's so great to look at horribly written C code with no comments in it [03:59] samiamsam i didn't look into that but i have no problems with the c [03:59] MinceR also to dereference null pointers in pid1 (running as root) without checking for nullness ● Oct 12 [04:00] MinceR because lennart thought it wasn't necessary [04:00] samiamsam actually i did look into it once to try to fix the problem with the rescue terminal being taken over by output to /dev/console [04:00] samiamsam they should port it to rust probably [04:00] MinceR obviously you didn't look into the topic too deeply [04:00] MinceR yeah [04:00] MinceR or .NET [04:00] samiamsam haha [04:00] activelow maybe it wasn't debian who decided, it was mainly Gnome/KDE, because with systemd/dbus Gnome and KDE are gone (at best only gtk and qt widget toolkits remain, and even this requires patching and heavy intervention by recompiling the entire system from source, only possible with gentoo and similar) [04:00] MinceR more microsoft dependencies are always good for them [04:00] MinceR yeah, it was gnome controlling debian like a puppet [04:01] MinceR KDE didn't decide anything, they're just following gnome wherever gnome goes [04:01] samiamsam systemd is solving technical problems that i dealt with years before systemd came along [04:01] samiamsam love it [04:01] MinceR again, the cult doesn't want you to have a choice of DEs so they'll kill KDE once it has served its purpose [04:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [04:01] MinceR yay, systemd is solving technical problems that didn't even exist before systemd [04:02] samiamsam problems debian had before systemd [04:02] samiamsam being solved by systemd [04:02] MinceR please don't quote all the talking points at me, i'll be bored into sleep [04:02] MinceR i've read all of them years ago [04:02] MinceR back when your cult killed off the OS i was using [04:02] samiamsam i'm talking about my experience of using systemd [04:03] MinceR because they wanted it to be more like fedora, which they could have already used, as it was available [04:03] MinceR yeah, i'm talking about my experience of using systemd as well [04:03] samiamsam you are saying i am repeating 'talking points' [04:03] MinceR the hidden emergency prompts, the waiting forever on shutdown because the NFS server was shut down before the client machine was [04:03] samiamsam the emergency prompt is disabled by default [04:04] MinceR well, the alleged "problems" that were made up to justify a "solution" nobody asked for are typical talking points [04:04] MinceR also ancient talking points [04:04] MinceR yeah, well, your favorite OS enables it for some reason [04:04] samiamsam no [04:04] samiamsam dude [04:04] MinceR probably because it's broken [04:04] samiamsam there were multiple competing solutions because of the problem [04:04] samiamsam and still are [04:04] MinceR yeah, and your people pretended there were only 2 [04:04] samiamsam i don't have any people [04:05] MinceR the "solution" already existed, all you had to do was somehow justify forcing systemd on people who didn't ask for it [04:05] samiamsam duno what you're talking about [04:06] MinceR again, forcing malware on people, not exactly what "respecting users' freedom and community" means. [04:06] samiamsam duno what malware [04:06] MinceR i'm talking about the lies poettering's followers posted to justify turning GNU/Linux distributions into systemd/Linux distributions [04:07] MinceR even as they kept preaching that the existence of multiple distros was heresy in the first place [04:07] MinceR the malware is called systemd [04:07] samiamsam systemd/linux is good software though it's not malware [04:07] MinceR the one that insists on running on your computer from boot until shutdown, with root privileges, with carelessly written code full of vulnerabilities, and code that listens to network connections [04:07] samiamsam it has flaws ok [04:08] MinceR they even put a webserver in there so you could read logs from that atrocity called systemd-journald [04:08] samiamsam everything has flaws [04:08] MinceR it is a fractal of flaws [04:08] samiamsam webserver to read log files is good [04:08] MinceR it is a massive flaw with smaller flaws growing off it [04:08] samiamsam it's a joy to work with [04:08] MinceR webserver integrated into what is supposed to be an "init system" is utterly idiotic [04:08] MinceR it is something only dave cutler's followers could come up with [04:08] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/12/firefox-93-disables-triple-des-and-doesnt-mention-nsa-backdoors-windows-11-continues-degrading-vpns-with-it-if-they-use-the-native-apis/ [04:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Firefox 93 disables Triple DES and doesnt mention NSA backdoors. Windows 11 continues degrading VPNs with it if they use the native APIs. BaronHK's Rants [04:09] samiamsam it's pure joy, like haskell to c [04:09] samiamsam systemd to what came before [04:09] MinceR yeah, i feel the joy too, when i wondered why ubuntu hasn't managed to boot in 15 minutes, and i check around the virtual consoles and find an emergency prompt from systemd on one of them [04:09] activelow problem is systemd being enforced to everyone even when it is totally inappropriate [04:10] MinceR also pure joy when i have to forcibly power down the machine because systemd decided to wait for something forever [04:10] activelow the alternative to systemd isn't any other, it is NONE at all (sysvinit/openrc aren't some systemd architecture type component) [04:10] samiamsam that's the most conservative thing so it's qiute reasonable [04:10] MinceR :~# reboot [04:11] MinceR Write failed: Broken pipe [04:11] MinceR pure joy. [04:11] MinceR https://i.redd.it/qqdla830gsex.jpg [04:11] MinceR also pure joy. [04:11] samiamsam if you were to judge systemd solely by shutdown experience, i would have to say, it's worse [04:11] samiamsam i don't ever shut anything down and don't care so, shrug [04:11] MinceR your friends are selling systemd as an "init system", remember? [04:12] MinceR shutting down is one of the _very few_ things it's supposed to do, and to do well [04:12] samiamsam an init system being conservative lets shit hang forever [04:12] MinceR systemd utterly fails at it [04:12] samiamsam then you go and check what's holding it up in the rescue terminal and kill it [04:12] samiamsam that's reasonable enough, fine [04:12] MinceR and displaces any properly written piece of software which would do it [04:12] activelow let me explain my approach again: nilfs2. sync. reset-button [04:12] samiamsam no, you can run any code you watn on shutdown to do it [04:12] MinceR no, "an init system being conservative" doesn't let "shit hang forever" [04:12] samiamsam you can now hit ctrlatldlt a bunch of times real quick to force it too [04:13] MinceR it sends SIGTERM to all processes, waits a bit, then sends SIGKILL to all processes, then halts or reboots or powers off [04:13] MinceR this isn't rocket science [04:13] MinceR it's just something poettering hasn't managed to implement, or even understand [04:13] samiamsam yes it does if it has data to write to a remote filesystem that's going to get lost on shutdown it is losing data not to wait forever for the machine to come back [04:13] MinceR yay, i can hit ctrl+alt+del a lot! [04:14] MinceR do you know what OS i would be running if i was addicted to hitting ctrl+alt+del like the deaf person presses the doorbell? [04:14] MinceR windows. [04:14] samiamsam well you can do that shit in your own unit file on shutdown [04:14] samiamsam i don't mind looking at the rescue terminal [04:14] MinceR https://www.geekwire.com/2013/rest-story-controlaltdelete-inventor-expect-command-widely/ [04:14] altlink_051 geekwire.com is Cloudflare domain. [04:14] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.geekwire.com/2013/rest-story-controlaltdelete-inventor-expect-command-widely/ [04:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The rest of the story: Control-Alt-Delete inventor didnt expect it to be widely used - GeekWire [04:14] samiamsam this is some petty gripe about how it works then you're calling it malware [04:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | The rest of the story: Control-Alt-Delete inventor didnt expect it to be widely used - GeekWire [04:15] MinceR But I have to share the credit. I may have invented it, but I think Bill made it famous. [04:15] MinceR i do mind having to _hunt down_ the rescue terminal that isn't shown [04:15] MinceR there are many gripes about how it "works" [04:16] samiamsam the rescue terminal isn't enalbed by default and has other issues [04:16] MinceR having a massive bloated hairball coded by idiots, running as root all the time, from a company that used to brag about NSA being one of their clients, is a massive red flag [04:17] activelow login-shell == rescue terminal here, because root.squashfs is read-only anyway [04:17] DaemonFC https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/10/somehow-macos-10-6-broke-hdmi/ [04:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org | jwz: Somehow macOS 11.6 broke HDMI [04:17] MinceR and many security issues have already been publicized in it, _after_ it was rubberstamped as "stable" by fedora and debian, and foisted onto their users [04:17] activelow i even patched kernel to prevent replacing rc.init script with anything eles, to *always* enforce /bin/login [04:18] activelow hence, no need for "secure boot" [04:18] MinceR there never was any need for "Secure Boot" [04:18] MinceR except by microsoft [04:18] activelow ok, sure. i wanted something else then them, and have it. [04:18] activelow than [04:18] MinceR who were afraid that if users got to choose an OS to run on computers they owned, microsoft would lose their precious and lucrative market positions [04:18] samiamsam secure boot is needed to control the users of a machine completely [04:19] MinceR similar story to systemd [04:19] MinceR yeah, that's what microsoft is trying to do [04:19] activelow problem now is, i won't support UEFI, and if legacy BIOS support is dropped then my amd64.iso won't boot anymore. [04:19] MinceR unfortunately for them, their code is so shit, even if "secure boot" worked as designed, people could just exploit one of the many holes in windows to boot something else anyway [04:19] activelow doubt it [04:20] DaemonFC Ryan Farmer says: [04:20] DaemonFC 2 seconds ago at 8:19 pm [04:20] DaemonFC Sips coffee [04:20] DaemonFC Glad to see that Mac's still Just Working(R) for you. [04:20] DaemonFC "Make cannot be verified! Make might be a virus!" Jesus fuck. The hell is this crap? [04:20] activelow i mean, try to replace BIOS/UEFI with something else, because, BIOS/UEFI are the *real* operating system [04:20] MinceR similar things have already been done to gaming consoles [04:20] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [04:20] MinceR DaemonFC: lol [04:20] samiamsam no, systemd is the real operating system [04:20] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 52.25 swarm size (avg): 261.03 [04:20] MinceR perhaps the real operating system was the masters we've gained along the way? [04:21] MinceR (they won't let you use the word "master", though.) [04:21] samiamsam bootloading code is still just bootloading [04:22] activelow in german language Master/Meister, it translates to skilled craftsmen, who instructs Lehrling (trainee, not slave) [04:22] MinceR if it's "just bootloading", how come TianoCore is about as big as Linux, sans drivers? [04:22] samiamsam it does suck when it does a bunch of stuff in the bios [04:22] activelow needless to say, i reject trainees [04:22] MinceR what the hell does "just a bootloader" need so much damn code for? [04:22] activelow and let them be their own masters now [04:22] samiamsam same reason you'd use linux as a bootloader, because it can do a lot [04:22] samiamsam like yeah it can be a whole os [04:23] MinceR yay, it can do a lot! too bad it doesn't work. [04:23] samiamsam but it's _the_ os because it hands over the system [04:23] MinceR does it, though? [04:23] MinceR iirc in uefi (not legacy) boot, some crap is left behind in memory [04:23] MinceR and then the alleged OS gets to call it sometimes [04:23] samiamsam that's not the same thing as being the os [04:23] MinceR like when something decides to use that filesystem systemd mounts read-write for you and bricks your alleged computer with it [04:24] MinceR because poettering is an idiot [04:24] samiamsam i definitley want any crap like that disabled by the kernel [04:27] AdmFubar https://www.anandtech.com/show/16979/the-ampere-altra-max-review-pushing-it-to-128-cores-per-socket [04:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anandtech.com | The Ampere Altra Max Review: Pushing it to 128 Cores per Socket [04:28] samiamsam if you want to make flour you have to tolerate some bugs [04:28] MinceR no, i don't [04:29] activelow AdmFubar: i would prefer to tailor software, development, and dependencies, to NOT depend on 128core system; although it is nice to have, i do not want development to depend on it [04:29] samiamsam where's the flour bro [04:29] activelow AdmFubar: because, free and opensource software depends on ordinary homebrew hackers can develop software [04:30] activelow add to this, the price for a cortex a53 quadcore is ~50$, not sure what the altra ampere costs are, besides excess electricity [04:30] samiamsam i think 128 cores is for ordinary hackers of the future [04:30] MinceR it will be for "ordinary hackers" when hackers actually get to control the 128-core SoC-s they own [04:30] samiamsam i bet more than 8 is normal now [04:31] MinceR when they aren't locked out of it by corporations with questionable agendas [04:31] samiamsam do you feel locked out [04:31] MinceR locked down bootloaders, malware running on its own built-in core and shit like that [04:31] MinceR yes i do [04:31] activelow reminder: fuzixOS requires 8KiB, and is available with Z80 systems... such as zeta v2 board [04:31] MinceR for a while i thought i could have one brand of ARM SBC which was reasonably open [04:32] MinceR and then i found out it was running malware called "ThreadX", owned by microsoft, on the gpu, all along [04:32] MinceR the others tend to have locked bootloaders, documentation being kept secret from OS developers, and piss poor OS support [04:32] MinceR though i guess i can safely say that raspberry pi has joined the pack of "piss poor OS support" lately [04:32] samiamsam haha it's crazy all the little things in a modern computer that have their own cpus [04:33] activelow with a z80(or some other) fuzixOS systems, the operating system is the bios iteself (needs review what type of ROM loaders there are) [04:33] MinceR considering how much trickery i needed just so i could get a kernel that would actually boot on the damned thing [04:33] samiamsam some guy put linux on a hard drive's cpu [04:33] activelow and this is how far back in time one must travel, to find some 100% fully free and opensource system (if at all) [04:33] samiamsam the cpu in the hard drive could run linux [04:35] MinceR fuzixOS is hardly a travel back in time [04:35] samiamsam but that shit although it is creepy and bad, doesn't stop software developers [04:36] activelow MinceR: i would say it was abandoned and forgotten for decades, doesn't mean it didn't exist before [04:36] MinceR how much RAM can fuzixOS handle anyway? [04:37] activelow MinceR: depends on both hardware (MMU) and fuzixOS itself.. 512KiB is a common limit with Z80 [04:37] activelow some extensions exist, for MMU, and more RAM [04:37] MinceR i see [04:38] MinceR being able to use an MMU is promising [04:38] activelow depends [04:38] MinceR i don't want buggy applications writing garbage into kernel memory and over other applications [04:38] activelow do not write buggy applications to begin with? [04:39] MinceR nice idea [04:39] MinceR what planet are we going to start a society that does not write buggy applications on? [04:39] MinceR also, what species of beings are they going to be? [04:39] activelow no need to argue, some benefits exist with MMU, nonetheless, z80 by design didn't have at least DRAM (and dram controller), z80 uses SRAM [04:40] activelow which is remarkable for the following reason: the CPU can be fully HALTed, and single-step debugged (without any jtag voodoo anywhere) [04:41] activelow some lattice FPGA board with 512KiB SRAM exists, which can be clocked to a few dozen MHz ... just saying... 30Euros iirc [04:42] samiamsam i got a $3 arduino [04:42] activelow samiamsam: which isn't an FPGA, and 512KiB SRAM is alot [04:43] activelow samiamsam: and arduino isn't self-sufficient, self-hosting for develoment, you need a gnu/linux and bloated arduino ide nearby [04:43] samiamsam you don't need the ide [04:43] MinceR what tools do you need for the lattice FPGA board? [04:43] samiamsam i don't use it [04:43] samiamsam but anyway. is this fpga more powerful tha nthe arduino? [04:44] MinceR with the FPGA you can _probably_ have more confidence in the CPU you implement on it not being backdoored [04:44] activelow samiamsam: yes, and it is 100% free and opensource, a z80 soc can be deployed, or mos6502 or similar [04:45] activelow although... there is other aspects, to think about... anyway, why think at all [04:45] activelow MinceR: my scratchpad notes for z80 and required tooling is two sheets of paper already... cannot summarize this in a few sentences on irc [04:46] MinceR ouch [04:46] activelow short version: 100% free and opensource system requires a softcore FPGA SoC (not necessarily z80, currently not any RISC-V) [04:46] MinceR also, afaik arduinos have only microcontrollers on them, which tend to be severely limited compared to general purpose CPUs [04:46] samiamsam z80 isn't more powerful than the arduino though ? [04:47] MinceR well, the microcontroller i wrote code for (PIC) was certainly a lot less capable than a Z80 [04:47] MinceR iirc it didn't even have a real stack [04:47] activelow powerful how? 512KiB SRAM to begin with (and no mmu), and some FPGA board i knew can be clocked up to a few dozen MHz, which is alot faster than any original z80 clocked at 4MHz [04:48] activelow MinceR: i got a list of required parts, required tools, as said it is too much to summarize here [04:48] activelow and add to this, i cannot afford ti [04:48] activelow it [04:48] MinceR :( [04:48] samiamsam powerful from a user perspective [04:48] activelow samiamsam: the design is scalable, both in size and complexity [04:49] activelow i had seen z80 clocked up to 100MHz, however, designing a SoC to include various peripheral i/o isn't trivial, in particular when it shall remain 100% free and opensource [04:50] samiamsam the design, ok, but what about the hardware [04:50] activelow depends on what you mean with hardware... semiconductor manufacturing is outside my realm and field of expertise [04:51] samiamsam no i mean the particular piece of hardware you were taling about [04:51] activelow depending an what is desired, i cannot manufacture any of it: ttl 7400 parts, fpga, z80 parts, real manufacturing [04:51] activelow ok, just saying, real manufacturing [04:51] activelow samiamsam: i got different options [04:52] samiamsam is it going to run crypto streaming just fine [04:52] samiamsam just like https [04:53] activelow z80 era was X.25... [04:53] samiamsam not gonna run https on a z80 [04:53] activelow which btw. is another huge issue, x.25 dying, because it was deployed to critical infrastructure... airfield control, railway [04:54] activelow samiamsam: i don't know yet, however tcp/ip was demonstrated on z80/fuzix too... yes [04:54] activelow but it is, something different, somehow [04:56] samiamsam on this arduino i've got tcp/ip, it advertises itself over mdns too [04:56] samiamsam gets ip through dhcp [04:56] samiamsam using lwip [04:58] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:58] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [04:59] activelow samiamsam: arduino is not free and opensource, bloated arduino ide [04:59] samiamsam i duno man, i don't use the ide, the go source for the build tool is available [04:59] activelow what was it, the microcontrollers of arduino? atmega risc. which is proprietary. ● Oct 12 [05:00] activelow i was thinking of free and opensource, atmega risc isn't, and an arduino isn't an FPGA. not saying arduino is bad, it is something different than i was thinking of. [05:01] activelow if you want free and opensource systems, arduino isn't to my knowledge. [05:01] samiamsam you mean just the cpu though right [05:02] DaemonFC https://slashdot.org/story/21/01/17/0024243/jamie-zawinski-calls-cinnamon-screensaver-lock-bypass-bug-unconscionable [05:02] altlink_051 slashdot.org is Cloudflare domain. [05:02] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://slashdot.org/story/21/01/17/0024243/jamie-zawinski-calls-cinnamon-screensaver-lock-bypass-bug-unconscionable [05:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | Jamie Zawinski Calls Cinnamon Screensaver Lock-Bypass Bug 'Unconscionable' - Slashdot [05:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Jamie Zawinski Calls Cinnamon Screensaver Lock-Bypass Bug 'Unconscionable' - Slashdot [05:02] activelow CPU, peripheral I/O (such as ftdi usb), requirements for develoment... arduino is not free and opensource [05:02] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:03] samiamsam what requirements for development [05:03] samiamsam anyway the arduino is a pretty impoverished runtime system [05:03] activelow schematics to begin with, digital circuit description, and tooling to deploy circuit description to FPGA [05:04] activelow as said, it is too much to discuss here [05:04] samiamsam you're talking about the cpu tho right [05:04] samiamsam on the arduino [05:04] samiamsam schematics of taht? [05:05] activelow no, i am talking about an entire SoC including peripheral i/o [05:05] activelow and no, a digital circuit description isn't the PCB designed with KiCad for example [05:06] activelow it is somewhat ironic, even ESA with their Leon SPARC seems they hadn't fully realized, what a free and opensource SoC would be [05:06] samiamsam peripheral io [05:06] samiamsam you mean the usb/serial ? [05:06] samiamsam serial over usb really i guess it is [05:07] activelow peripheral i/o includes everyting: an s100 type bus, storage, dram controller (if any), serial ... [05:07] activelow a CPU without peripherals is useless [05:08] activelow and often, even when a CPU is opensource (such as RISC-V, arduino/atmega isn't opensource at all), then peripheral I/O controllers are malicious [05:08] activelow such as USB, HDMI, ethernet, serial, storage, whatever else [05:09] activelow and then, if any free and opensource SoC shall be deployed ... then altera/xilinx await almost always, which is unacceptable for me [05:11] samiamsam all that stuff is on the chip from atmega? [05:12] activelow atmega offers different chips, and arduino offers different boards [05:13] samiamsam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP8266 [05:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | ESP8266 - Wikipedia [05:14] *aprates has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.3) [05:14] samiamsam that's actually the one i have [05:14] samiamsam Processor: L106 32-bit RISC microprocessor core based on the Tensilica Xtensa Diamond Standard 106Micro running at 80 MHz[5] [05:15] activelow samiamsam: and it is a proprietary closed source system [05:15] activelow i am not aware of any circuit description of this one being available (stumbled upon it before) [05:16] samiamsam ESP8266 BASIC An open-source BASIC-like interpreter specifically tailored for the Internet of Things (IoT). Self-hosting browser-based development environment. [05:16] samiamsam haha [05:16] MinceR lol [05:16] samiamsam man that would be awesome on one of these [05:17] activelow well then, have fun with the basic interpreter, if this suffices to meet criteria of free and opensource systems of yours [05:17] MinceR for masochists only [05:17] samiamsam ya this shit is no good for general purpose computing [05:20] samiamsam activelow: i don't think the low level hardware is really part of the system, it's like a disposable substrate [05:21] activelow lowlevel hardware AND software, in this realm hardware and software aren't really distinct [05:21] samiamsam it's distinct pragmatically [05:21] samiamsam because i can take my software and recompile it for some other hardware vendor [05:22] activelow good luck to compile your software with a sane and clean compiler and toolchain [05:22] samiamsam um [05:22] samiamsam it usees gcc [05:23] activelow didn't review sdcc yet...; tinycc, pcc, and some others [05:23] samiamsam anyway arduino-cli is kind of annoying, but it just wraps gcc and handles cross compiling for the user [05:23] samiamsam and installing libraries and whatnot. kind of like a distribution [05:24] samiamsam like it has its own shitty package manager [05:24] MinceR it's the "disposable substrate" where all the spooks want their code to run on your computers [05:24] samiamsam MinceR: arduino? [05:24] MinceR whichever [05:24] samiamsam i mean that'd be totally crazy right [05:24] MinceR (though lately they're pretty insistent on putting their crap in every single layer there is) [05:24] MinceR well, if you can read/write RAM from it, it can be useful for a backdoor [05:24] samiamsam one thing i was thinking to do with arduino was make my own smart cards [05:25] MinceR unless RAM is encrypted and you can't access the key from there, i suppose [05:25] samiamsam MinceR: how are they going to get the data out? [05:25] MinceR some trace on the chip could act as a radio antenna [05:25] MinceR they might be able to use some sort of piezoelectric effect or a speaker that's on the board to exfiltrate via ultrasound [05:26] MinceR or just blink an LED (quickly so the human operator won't be able to tell it's happening) [05:26] samiamsam there's no speaker [05:26] samiamsam the led stays off [05:26] samiamsam it does have wifi [05:26] MinceR lol [05:26] MinceR "how are they going to get the data out?", he asks about a device that has wifi [05:26] samiamsam they're just gonna put it on the wifi [05:27] samiamsam like have their own implementation of dhcp in there? [05:27] samiamsam then send that shit right out on the internet i guess [05:27] samiamsam ya? [05:28] samiamsam i should check my dhcpd logs [05:28] samiamsam ya think? [05:28] MinceR \_()_/ [05:28] MinceR what if their dhcp client implementation is on the wifi chip? [05:28] samiamsam the secret radio transmitter made more sense [05:28] samiamsam ya, it can be [05:28] samiamsam i just said that [05:29] samiamsam 00:27 like have their own implementation of dhcp in there? [05:29] MinceR though it doesn't even have to be wifi [05:29] samiamsam so how close do the vans have to be to this shit [05:29] MinceR it has access to a nice antenna, it probably has all the side channels it could possibly want [05:29] samiamsam and it's just going to transmit the full value of ram on a regular basis right [05:30] samiamsam or does it scan the memory for keywords? [05:30] MinceR \_()_/ [05:30] MinceR whatever the authors of the backdoor or their clients want [05:32] samiamsam i guess the iphone image hash search is the ideal [05:33] samiamsam pedo hash search [05:33] samiamsam maybe the cpu can store a bunch of hashes and continuously scan memory for matches on these hashes [05:34] samiamsam i don't think any clients going to pay to put this shit into arduinos that sell on amazon for $3 tho, on iphones it's worth it yes [05:35] samiamsam on these embedded systems it wouldn't even be workable [05:35] MinceR yeah, for now arduinos seem to have a less stupid target audience [05:35] samiamsam smaller audience more importantly [05:35] activelow somehow, it is good particular systems are not touched by particular entities [05:35] samiamsam effecitvely zero [05:35] activelow which, wehenever they touch anything, they clusterfuck and ruin it [05:36] MinceR case in point: samiamsam's favorite OS [05:36] samiamsam debian gnu/systemd/linux [05:36] activelow particular systems aren't sold anywhere [05:36] activelow and do not rund gnu/linux either [05:36] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [05:37] activelow so, this is a neat precaution, intentional or not [05:37] activelow it keeps away some certain type of people and mindset, naturally [05:39] samiamsam normal people don't even keep data on their computers anymore [05:40] samiamsam it belongs to the apps [05:40] samiamsam who store it in the cloud [05:42] samiamsam normies lol ● Oct 12 [06:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [06:07] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:15] *aprates (~aprates@sourcehut/users/aprates) has joined #techrights [06:15] psydruid > you gotta facedesk when you see gnu/linux users shilling ddg [06:15] psydruid A professor for my "web and data" course was shilling ddg, I wonder how much she was offered for doing so [06:17] psydruid > it's a stupid, non-unix default [06:17] psydruid > but it's there because poettering likes it [06:17] psydruid lennart putering and butchering while looking out of his windows [06:33] psydruid > maybe it wasn't debian who decided, it was mainly Gnome/KDE, because with systemd/dbus Gnome and KDE are gone (at best only gtk and qt widget toolkits remain, and even this requires patching and heavy intervention by recompiling the entire system from source, only possible with gentoo and similar) [06:33] psydruid I use GNOME nowhere and KDE only on my main laptop, so I guess both are becoming irrelevant for my purposes. Even XFCE was acting weird for me last night so on that lower-end laptop I switched to MATE. Next step will be to run a window manager because everything has just become too bloated and slow Windows-style. [06:34] psydruid Or just live in the console [06:34] psydruid I guess I should look more into TUI applications [06:35] activelow psydruid: you're studying? whatever it is you are studying, be cautious to not waste time with openwashed nonsense. [06:37] psydruid activelow, I know it pretty well, I'm cautious with the university and the professors and only retain and use what I consider useful [06:38] psydruid I mean I'm skeptical towards them, but it could be much worse [06:43] samiamsam i'm just using xmonad [06:46] activelow haskell, not sure what to think of this... another programming language [06:47] samiamsam haskell is really amazing to use hard to learn though [06:48] activelow more difficult than perl or c? [06:48] samiamsam xmonad is just a tiling wm [06:49] activelow written in haskell [06:49] activelow not saying this is a bad choice, i reject any new programming language [06:49] samiamsam it's probably not more difficult than perl or c except that perl and c are basically the same thing and if you already know that thing [06:50] samiamsam what do you mean new? [06:50] activelow well, Hasekell is both new to me, and it appeared rather late in comparison to perl or c or fortran [06:51] activelow i blacklisted haskell [06:51] activelow and do not miss anything so far [06:51] samiamsam haskell and perl came around the same time [06:52] samiamsam late 1980s [06:52] samiamsam but today haskell is a lot more powerful than perl [06:52] activelow hasekell appeared 1990, perl appeared 1988 [06:53] samiamsam haskell 1.0 released in 1990 [06:53] samiamsam is 1.0 appearance? [06:53] samiamsam 38. ^ Wadler, Philip (October 1988). "How to make ad-hoc polymorphism less ad hoc". [06:53] activelow if you want to split hairs over this [06:53] samiamsam first paper published about haskell implementation ? [06:54] activelow my argument is this: too many different programming languages, libraries, without any benefit [06:54] activelow since i can blackist haskell without loosing anything relevant here, i cannot do this with perl [06:54] samiamsam they mostly all have benefits [06:54] samiamsam haskell is lovely tohugh [06:55] samiamsam any kind of stuff i used to do with perl, now i do it with haskell [06:55] activelow i rather blacklist both, however cannot with perl, because it is required for things [06:56] activelow ideally, i could blacklist bash, and replace it with some ksh compliant interpreter, but gentoo ... wants bash [06:57] samiamsam what shell do you use? [06:57] activelow bash [06:57] samiamsam what do you mean blacklist [06:57] activelow remove it [06:58] activelow on gentoo some listings exist, to remove malware [06:58] samiamsam yet you're using it as your interactive shell [06:58] activelow yes, because i need gentoo tooling [06:59] activelow package.mask, use flags, all this; i spare you the details; i need gentoo for blacklisting [06:59] activelow and gentoo loves bash [06:59] samiamsam that doesn't mean you need to use it as your interactive shell though ● Oct 12 [07:00] activelow export POSIXLY_STRICT=1 ... breaks things [07:00] activelow ups, POSIXLY_CORRECT it is [07:01] samiamsam zsh and fish look nice [07:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [07:18] psydruid all of this looks fishy to me [07:19] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:20] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.88 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.01 swarm size (avg): 261.02 [07:21] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [07:27] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [07:34] *aprates has quit (*.net *.split) [07:34] *gde35 has quit (*.net *.split) [07:48] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [07:48] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, October 11, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [07:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [07:48] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [07:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [07:56] *aprates (~aprates@sourcehut/users/aprates) has joined #techrights [07:56] *gde35 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [07:57] techrights-news NEWS #CJEU JUDGMENT OF THE COURT (Fifth Chamber) 6 October 2021 [...] Case C-13/20 https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=247056&text=&dir=&doclang=EN&part=1&occ=first&mode=DOC&pageIndex=0&cid=10751201 [07:57] altlink_051 europa.eu is Cloudflare domain. 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[08:09] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gti7y64ngicmn.irc) has joined #techrights [08:09] techrights-news NEWS #EDRI #Privacy #Surveillance The terrifying expansion of #Sweden s state surveillance https://edri.org/our-work/the-terrifying-expansion-of-swedens-state-surveillance/ [08:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edri.org | The terrifying expansion of Swedens state surveillance - European Digital Rights (EDRi) [08:09] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:10] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:11] schestowitz__[TR] Tue 02:26:46 activelow links is buggy and the source code is, uhm, special... failed. [08:11] schestowitz__[TR] Tue 02:27:29 activelow netsurf-fb has unacceptable limitations (no tabbed browsing) and it isn't showing anyting on /dev/fb0 here... failed. [08:11] schestowitz__[TR] Tue 02:29:20 activelow lynx browser remains, it is what it is, limited; w3m is clumsy, and neither lynx nor w3m show images on framebuffer console [08:11] schestowitz__[TR] Tue 02:37:59 AdmFubar how about nyxt? [08:11] schestowitz__[TR] Tue 02:41:16 MinceR samiamsam: it does not qualify per the Free Software Definition >> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html [08:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | What is Free Software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [08:11] schestowitz__[TR] turns out I missed only one line of these logs [08:11] schestowitz__[TR] the server still logged it [08:11] schestowitz__[TR] sorry for the rant [08:11] schestowitz__[TR] all the machines went offline around 4am [08:12] schestowitz__[TR] gemini was then offline for 4 hours because IP address had changed [08:12] schestowitz__[TR] this is the pain of stupid proprietary router [08:12] schestowitz__[TR] silently got new firmware last night [08:12] schestowitz__[TR] half a day later rebooted itself [08:13] schestowitz__[TR] Same as last time: http://techrights.org/2021/04/18/firmware-ruins-whole-day/ [08:13] schestowitz__[TR] some services were not restored until I woke up [08:13] *schestowitz__[TR] is now known as schestowitz[TR] [08:13] *activelow didn't notice [08:14] schestowitz[TR] for me it's a major problem [08:14] schestowitz[TR] only this line was missed: [08:14] schestowitz[TR] [08:11] Tue 02:37:59 AdmFubar how about nyxt? [08:20] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.08 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.78 swarm size (avg): 261.01 [08:22] techrights-news NEWS #RFERL #Energy #Iran 's Power Company Warns Of Cuts Due To Illegal #Cryptocurrency Mining https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-power-cuts-cryptocurrency/31502220.html [08:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org | Iran's Power Company Warns Of Cuts Due To Illegal Cryptocurrency Mining [08:24] techrights-news NEWS #EestiRahvusringhling #Politics E-voting glitch which gave first 900 voters inaccurate information fixed https://news.err.ee/1608366156/e-voting-glitch-which-gave-first-900-voters-inaccurate-information-fixed [08:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.err.ee | E-voting glitch which gave first 900 voters inaccurate information fixed | 2021 Elections | ERR [08:24] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #Politics #Facebook #whistleblower Frances #Haugen to speak to its Oversight Board https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/11/22721229/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen-instagram-oversight-board [08:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen to speak to its Oversight Board - The Verge [08:24] techrights-news NEWS #TheHill #Misinformation #Disinformation Throttling #freespeech is not the way to fix #Facebook and other social media https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/576062-throttling-free-speech-is-not-the-way-to-fix-facebook-and-other-social [08:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Throttling free speech is not the way to fix Facebook and other social media | TheHill [08:26] techrights-news NEWS #TheNewArab #Censorship Iranian women on TV banned from eating pizza because it's too provocative https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/iranian-women-banned-eating-pizza-screen [08:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-english.alaraby.co.uk | Iranian women on TV banned from eating pizza because it's too provocative [08:26] techrights-news NEWS #CPJ #Censorship #Tanzania #police arrest cartoonist, journalists on cybercrime and illegal assembly allegations https://cpj.org/2021/10/tanzania-police-arrest-cartoonist-journalists-on-cybercrime-and-illegal-assembly-allegations/ [08:26] altlink_051 cpj.org is Cloudflare domain. 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[08:27] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/australia-mulls-measures-making-social-media-giants-responsible-for-defamatory-postings/article36924505.ece [08:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thehindu.com | Australia mulls measures making social media giants responsible for defamatory postings - The Hindu [08:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Australia mulls measures making social media giants responsible for defamatory postings - The Hindu [08:28] techrights-news [Old] #TheConversation #Censorship #Facebook or #Twitter posts can now be quietly modified by the government under new surveillance laws https://theconversation.com/facebook-or-twitter-posts-can-now-be-quietly-modified-by-the-government-under-new-surveillance-laws-167263 [08:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theconversation.com | Facebook or Twitter posts can now be quietly modified by the government under new surveillance laws [08:29] techrights-news NEWS #StockholmCenterForFreedom #Censorship Exiled journalist establishes publishing house to print books banned in #Turkey https://stockholmcf.org/exiled-journalist-establishes-publishing-house-to-print-books-banned-in-turkey/ [08:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stockholmcf.org | Exiled journalist establishes publishing house to print books banned in Turkey - Stockholm Center for Freedom [08:34] schlock Frances Haugen [08:34] *schlock spits [08:38] schestowitz-TR2 why? [08:38] techrights-news NEWS #Stundin #PressFreedom Key witness in #Assange case jailed in #Iceland after admitting to lies and ongoing crime spree https://stundin.is/grein/14117/ [08:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stundin.is | Key witness in Assange case jailed in Iceland after admitting to lies and ongoing crime spree - Stundin [08:38] techrights-news NEWS #NationalPost #PressFreedom Does #Canada consider #WikiLeaks a terrorist group, Chelsea Manning's lawyer asks at immigration hearing https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/does-canada-consider-wikileaks-a-terrorist-group-chelsea-mannings-lawyer-asks-at-immigration-hearing [08:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nationalpost.com | Does Canada consider WikiLeaks a terrorist group, Chelsea Manning's lawyer asks at immigration hearing | National Post [08:38] gustaf not hot enough for you schlock ? [08:39] techrights-news NEWS #RSF #PressFreedom 2021 Nobel Peace Prize an extraordinary tribute to #journalism , says #RSF https://rsf.org/en/news/2021-nobel-peace-prize-extraordinary-tribute-journalism-says-rsf [08:39] altlink_051 rsf.org is Cloudflare domain. [08:39] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://rsf.org/en/news/2021-nobel-peace-prize-extraordinary-tribute-journalism-says-rsf [08:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rsf.org | 2021 Nobel Peace Prize an extraordinary tribute to journalism, says RSF | RSF [08:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | 2021 Nobel Peace Prize an extraordinary tribute to journalism, says RSF | RSF [08:39] techrights-news NEWS #AtlanticCouncil #PressFreedom When Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria #Ressa appeared at the #AtlanticCouncil https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/when-nobel-peace-prize-winner-maria-ressa-appeared-at-the-atlantic-council/ [08:39] altlink_051 atlanticcouncil.org is Cloudflare domain. 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[08:45] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #VPN Service 'Agrees' to Block #BitTorrent and Keep Logs to Settle [file sharing] Lawsuit (Updated) https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-service-will-block-bittorrent-and-keep-logs-to-settle-piracy-lawsuit-211011/ [08:45] altlink_051 torrentfreak.com is Cloudflare domain. 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[08:46] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/dont-believe-nitro-iptv-lies-we-need-access-to-their-millions-hollywood-says-211011/ [08:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Don't Believe Nitro IPTV 'Lies', We Need Access to Their Millions, Hollywood Says * TorrentFreak [08:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20211012074639/https://torrentfreak.com/dont-believe-nitro-iptv-lies-we-need-access-to-their-millions-hollywood-says-211011/ ) [08:48] techrights-news Today and tomorrow #techrights will be focused on #switzerland again [08:52] techrights-news #linuxhint has been pushing too much #microsoft stuff, #windows stuff, and the company's #proprietarySoftware lately. I cannot recommend that site. It wasn't this bad until this year. [08:54] activelow found a compromise to cope with gtk/qt/x11, because i didn't want to maintain two different profiles for their inclusion/exclusion [08:55] psydruid no Intel Alder Lake stuff to go with the #Microsoft stuff? [08:56] activelow to keep dependency graph against the undesired gtk/qt/x11 things minimal, i do this now: set -X11 -gtk -qt use flags globally, and then then enable those flags per individual packages which require those , which is only a few dozen [08:57] activelow so, now i can do both, drop the separate x11/noX11 profiles, and keep the dependency graph against x11/gtk/qt minimal. [08:58] activelow sorry psydruid. ok, next topic. how are intel alder lake and microsoft related? ● Oct 12 [09:06] psydruid activelow, Microsoft and Intel are interwined compagnies, Intel Alder Lake is also being used to push Windows 11, because onder versions of Windows supposedly can't properly make use of the processor [09:06] psydruid companies* [09:10] techrights-news ##JavaScript (JS) Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156683 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | JavaScript (JS) Programming | Tux Machines [09:11] psydruid other* [09:11] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Monday, October 11, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/irc-log-111021/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/irc-log-111021/ [09:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Monday, October 11, 2021 | Techrights [09:12] psydruid let me rewrite that, I had Dutch spellcheck on [09:12] psydruid activelow, Microsoft and Intel are interwined companies, Intel Alder Lake is also being used to push Windows 11, because older versions of Windows supposedly can't properly make use of the processor [09:13] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams 'Waive the #Patents ': #Moderna Still Refuses to Share #Covid19 #Vaccine Recipe https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/11/waive-patents-moderna-still-refuses-share-covid-19-vaccine-recipe [09:13] altlink_051 commondreams.org is Cloudflare domain. [09:13] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/11/waive-patents-moderna-still-refuses-share-covid-19-vaccine-recipe [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Waive the Patents': Moderna Still Refuses to Share Covid-19 Vaccine Recipe [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | 'Waive the Patents': Moderna Still Refuses to Share Covid-19 Vaccine Recipe [09:13] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams 24 More Nations Join Global #Methane Pledge Welcomed as 'Great Start' But Inadequate https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/11/24-more-nations-join-global-methane-pledge-welcomed-great-start-inadequate [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 24 More Nations Join Global Methane Pledge Welcomed as 'Great Start' But Inadequate [09:13] altlink_051 commondreams.org is Cloudflare domain. [09:13] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/11/24-more-nations-join-global-methane-pledge-welcomed-great-start-inadequate [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | 24 More Nations Join Global Methane Pledge Welcomed as 'Great Start' But Inadequate [09:15] techrights-news NEWS #Tor #torproject New Release: #TorBrowser 11.0a8 (Android Only) https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-110a8 [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | New Release: Tor Browser 11.0a8 (Android Only) | Tor Blog [09:15] schlock MinceR: bravo on truth talk about systemd. everything you've spoken about including the hanging and having to log in to other prompts to shut down has happened to me. [09:16] schlock and everyone who has been stucking using arch linux with system d. [09:16] schestowitz-TR2 we call it systemdehomag sometimes [09:16] activelow psydruid: no problem. thinking of "Intel" again... the original engineers founded their own company: Zilog (including lattice semiconductor) [09:16] schestowitz[TR] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehomag?wprov=srpw1_0 [09:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Dehomag - Wikipedia [09:16] schlock schestowitz-TR2: yep it has another name here but i forget at the moment. [09:17] activelow psydruid: meaning the real intel guys are ... zilog, while the intel branding is something else [09:17] schlock schestowitz-TR2: apologies just saw your question: Frances Haugen isn't a real whistleblower i'm afraid. [09:17] schlock she'a a plant. [09:17] schestowitz-TR2 I'm a seed [09:17] schestowitz-TR2 she is a plant [09:17] schlock and her going about begging for more censorship should be the big tip off. [09:17] schestowitz-TR2 you are a tree [09:17] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: this is not what she does [09:17] schestowitz-TR2 she complains about the platform [09:17] schestowitz-TR2 and its impact on health [09:18] schestowitz-TR2 I don't know yet if she is ALSO the same as the leaker of FBIngstaram impact on young women [09:18] schestowitz-TR2 maybe the articles state so, but I did not read closely enough [09:18] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.03 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.51 swarm size (avg): 261.01 [09:18] schlock i've seen a lot of skullduggery in the past 5+ decades, i'll just sit back and watch it all come out in the wash. [09:18] schestowitz-TR2 the net effect of what she does right now is positive [09:18] schestowitz-TR2 because we need people to get OFF these platforms [09:19] psydruid activelow, Federico Faggin left early from what I've read and went on to invent many other technologies that have become commonplace in our "modern" world [09:19] schlock i am the "i told you so" of the people usually. :) [09:20] techrights-news Uploading extreme material? Blame Free software. Hosting a Web site with #Freesoftware h Blame Free software for serving extremist content. http://techrights.org/2021/10/11/fud-facepalm/ #freesw #censorship [09:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Extreme Views About Software Freedom | Techrights [09:20] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: we need these defectors [09:20] schestowitz-TR2 I could go on and call her hypocrite [09:20] schestowitz-TR2 for working in FB [09:20] schestowitz-TR2 pursuing a job there [09:20] schestowitz-TR2 and earning big salaries, which she kept [09:21] schestowitz-TR2 but that would help FB [09:21] schlock schestowitz-TR2: we can agree to disagree and see how things fall out in hindsight. [09:21] schestowitz-TR2 and those looking to demonise her [09:21] schestowitz-TR2 we need these "pentagon tech" defectors" [09:21] schestowitz-TR2 When Stamos did that to FB I called him out on it [09:21] schestowitz-TR2 Alex Stamos [09:21] schestowitz-TR2 he ten blocked me in Twitter [09:21] schestowitz-TR2 we have some Microsoft defectors [09:21] schestowitz-TR2 and they give us valuable information on bad things Microsoft does [09:22] schestowitz-TR2 even if they made money from Microsoft, now they're causing Microsoft very major damage [09:22] schestowitz-TR2 EPO workers too [09:22] schestowitz-TR2 they work for an evil org [09:22] schestowitz-TR2 but they help expose it [09:22] schestowitz-TR2 the FB fallout is not much to do with censorship [09:23] schestowitz-TR2 it's more about how harmful it is, in general, to society [09:23] schestowitz-TR2 what will gain at FB's expense is a blank slate [09:23] schestowitz-TR2 we need to make sure it's not other social control 'media' [09:24] techrights-news The Administrative Council of the European #Patent Organisation is having its 168th meeting tomorrow and we expect no expression of remorse for illegally crushing #EPO staff (almost 7,000 individuals and their families) for nearly a decade http://techrights.org/2021/10/11/epo-administrative-council-168th-meeting/ [09:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The 168th Meeting of the EPO Administrative Council as a Test of the EPOs Oversight Mechanisms | Techrights [09:24] schlock i'm well aware of how evil the shenanigans of that lot are. i don't need any convincing on that, i'm also seeing patterns that are making me trust my gut. [09:25] schestowitz-TR2 you don't need to be enamored with the WBers [09:25] schestowitz-TR2 but don't think condemning them helps anyone but bad people [09:25] schestowitz-TR2 like people who attack Thunberg because of how corporate media uses her [09:25] activelow psydruid: federico among others, the orignal intel staff founded zilog; and best of it they are in business still, with lattice semi and their fpga offerings (which some hackers prefer, couldn't try myself) [09:26] activelow wished i was 20years younger and had available what lattice semi and zilog and fuzixos offer nowadays [09:26] techrights-news The #EPO s alpha male who was not #BenotBattistelli and not French like #AntnioCampinos , either, was #RolandGrossenbacher ; today we take a closer look at Roland Grossenbacher, Christian Bock, and #CatherineChammartin http://techrights.org/2021/10/11/swiss-epo-role/ [09:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part IX: More Holes Than Swiss Cheese | Techrights [09:26] activelow and, the gigatron ttl too, which was released 2019 [09:27] schlock schestowitz-TR2: it all will come out in the wash. :) [09:27] techrights-news Following the release of Part 9 in the EPO series about Benot Battistellis unlawful (anti-) strike regulations we discuss the role (or Swiss roll) of #Switzerland in crushing #EPO workers http://techrights.org/2021/10/11/swiss-roll-legal-fudge/ #europe #iloat [09:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Betrayal Not Only of Swiss Workers But All European Workers, Courtesy of Roland Grossenbacher and Christian Bock | Techrights [09:27] schlock i'm definitely not against whistle blowers but real ones usually end up in jail. [09:28] schestowitz-TR2 it depends [09:28] schestowitz-TR2 from what I heard, she faces legal action [09:28] schestowitz-TR2 but she didn't truck out a lot of documents [09:28] schestowitz-TR2 she uses verbal testimony [09:28] schestowitz-TR2 that's the "Safe" channel [09:28] schestowitz-TR2 Reality Winner leaked some documents [09:29] schestowitz-TR2 put it in her pantyhose and mailed it to Omidyar publication [09:31] schlock i'm all about remaining on good terms with good people. i'll agree to disagree until i find information that changes my mind or yours or anybody elses. [09:32] schlock this is a channel full of passionate people who want to see crooks fall and help make that happen. [09:32] schlock that's material. [09:32] schestowitz-TR2 we need substantial proof [09:32] schestowitz-TR2 I saw nothing on Frances that suggests she's not good-intentioned [09:32] schestowitz-TR2 but I don't trust easily people who pursued a job at Google and then FB [09:33] schestowitz-TR2 they're money worshipers [09:33] schestowitz-TR2 or power trippers [09:33] schlock yep understood. [09:34] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #patent #patents #monopolies 'Reckless': Doctors Without Borders Slams US for Hoarding 500 Million #Vaccine Doses https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/11/reckless-doctors-without-borders-slams-us-hoarding-500-million-vaccine-doses [09:34] altlink_051 commondreams.org is Cloudflare domain. [09:34] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/11/reckless-doctors-without-borders-slams-us-hoarding-500-million-vaccine-doses [09:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Reckless': Doctors Without Borders Slams US for Hoarding 500 Million Vaccine Doses [09:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20211012083423/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/11/reckless-doctors-without-borders-slams-us-hoarding-500-million-vaccine-doses ) [09:35] schestowitz[TR] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156673 [09:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSCAL, Open Labs, Mozilla & grooming women for Outreachy | Tux Machines [09:35] schlock i'm just the lowly janitor but if i can help with graphics, videos, research, whatnot at least there's that. :) [09:36] schestowitz-TR2 yes, thank you [09:36] schestowitz-TR2 we need lots of that [09:36] schlock schestowitz-TR2: and just to make sure that it's dead clear i have the utmost respect for what everyone here is doing. we may disagree on things or come from different paradigms but we're obviously all on the parallel path to freedom. [09:37] *acer-box (~acer-box@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [09:37] *schestowitz-TR2 has quit (connection closed) [09:41] *inky_ (~inky@46.241.144.156) has joined #techrights [09:41] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156684 #Linux #TuxMachines [09:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:41] activelow gtk3 ebuild defined opengl/mesa (for proprietary malicious hardware) as a dependency, however, it seems to compile just fine without it when hacked [09:41] techrights-news Why pre-installation is so important http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156685 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why pre-installation is so important | Tux Machines [09:42] activelow cannot verify all distros, suspect nonetheless mesa/opengl are pulled in everywhere although not required for a gui/desktop [09:42] techrights-news FOSS #Torrents Is Your Gate For Linux Distributions Torrents http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156686 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FOSS Torrents Is Your Gate For Linux Distributions Torrents | Tux Machines [09:42] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [09:42] activelow in parallel "tech" news are flooded with announcements how awesome malcious AMD/Intel/Nvidia are supported on GNU/Linux [09:43] techrights-news #Ubuntu 21.10: Whats New? [Video] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156491#comment-31342 [09:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 21.10 is upon us, and it's small changes for major improvements | Tux Machines [09:43] acer-box activelow: yes, exactly [09:43] acer-box but!!!! [09:43] acer-box to some people it does matter [09:43] acer-box they don't think like you [09:43] acer-box I'm in the middle [09:44] acer-box we need to eradicate Windows [09:44] activelow then, silently, all codepaths which did not require any of this wre deactivated (directfb, simd-optimized software-renderers, mplayer dvd playback which is possible without any nvidia voodoo) [09:44] acer-box so all that Steam DRM and blobs for GPU help [09:44] activelow Installing (30 of 32) x11-libs/gtk+-3.24.22::hotfix -> WITHOUT mesa/opengl [09:45] schlock is opengl compromised?! [09:45] activelow yes, by design [09:46] schlock oh damn my partner has been using that. [09:46] schlock and there's no real alternative is there? [09:46] activelow not anymore, not really, no [09:47] *schlock sighs [09:47] activelow i did revive directfb, and cleaned the dependency graph here, which is somewhat limited, but good enough for me [09:48] *blitzed has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:49] acer-box activelow: directfb is not an alternative [09:49] acer-box it is just something different [09:49] acer-box opengl is a language for rendering things at another level [09:49] acer-box afaik, rendering by the pixel isn't the same at all [09:49] schlock this is so frustrating. so many good projects have died and we're left using compromised everything, literally. [09:50] acer-box he means compromised in the freedom sense [09:50] acer-box in the sense we cannot access all the "tech" sans the "AYE PEE" (IP) [09:50] activelow acer-box: yes, the software-stack for software-only rendering is slightly different when opengl (among other vendor-specific nonsense) is completely removed [09:50] acer-box and secrecy/onfuscation [09:50] acer-box so we get a 'Linux' with lots of blobs [09:51] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156687 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [09:52] schlock acer-box: ah yes understood now thank you. still dodgy then. yeah my partner actually had to explain to me a few weeks back why it was gnulinux and then when i read your article on the linux foundation's mechinations for fooling people i understood how i had been hoodwinked, myself. [09:53] activelow instead of questioning opengl, for example, if it should be opensource, the question should have been if it should be included into gnu/linux at all [09:53] schlock it's funny because i was the one who got her on to linux from windows but she is the one who has been the brains ever since. [09:53] schlock yes, that's a good point. understood. [09:54] acer-box khronos group uses shithub [09:54] schlock i'm still learning so i'm not at any level near you lot in here. will catch up though. :) i'm old and falling apart but i have a few braincells left. [09:54] acer-box proprietary [09:54] acer-box monopoly [09:54] acer-box microsoft [09:54] acer-box but I think they now realise it and make baby steps away [09:55] schlock by the way i use blender, inkscape, ffmpeg for media related things. [09:56] schlock i'm obviously compromised because i didn't learn from the original stallman days. rather late to the game so to speak. [09:57] acer-box RMS still plays ball [09:57] acer-box schlock: will find you a video [09:57] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2014/01/20/goals-of-gnu/ [09:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Happy GNU Year: Richard Stallman on Meeting Goals of GNU | Techrights [09:57] schestowitz[TR] I think that's the one [09:57] schestowitz[TR] always remember the goals [09:57] schestowitz[TR] or the mission [09:58] schestowitz[TR] if you don't, you end up with 'Linux' Foundation [09:58] schestowitz[TR] shilling Microsoft and FB [09:58] schlock acer-box: thanks very much appreciated. [09:58] techrights-news I WASNT rejected after all! https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/i-wasn't-rejected-after-all!-%F0%9F%98%83:5 #rossmanngroup [09:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | I WASN'T rejected after all! [09:59] schlock yeah we call systemd microsuck in hour home, we're at least on to that. [09:59] schlock is that louis rossman? [09:59] *schlock clicks [09:59] acer-box it is [09:59] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2021/05/17/what-is-right-to-repair/ [09:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Right To Repair: What Its About and How That Relates to Software | Techrights ● Oct 12 [10:00] *acer-box is now known as schestowitz-TR2 [10:00] schestowitz-TR2 I didn't notice I was using a fallback nickname on this box :/ [10:00] schlock schestowitz-TR2: yeah luckily i saw the quit/join so i was able to follow you. [10:00] schlock righto stallman vid.nu [10:01] schestowitz-TR2 that RMS video I did with him in Lincoln [10:01] schestowitz-TR2 I am assuming you're English 'expat' (immigrant) [10:01] schestowitz-TR2 but won't inquire about personal lives [10:02] schestowitz-TR2 you miss all the 'fun' like petrol shortages and freedom (for covid to spread) day [10:02] techrights-news #Moodle | Open Source Learning Management System (LMS) https://odysee.com/@KeepItTechie:a/moodle-open-source-learning-management:2 #KeepItTechie [10:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Moodle | Open Source Learning Management System (LMS) [10:03] gustaf we have petrol but it's getting expensive [10:04] techrights-news #facebook wants you to stay dumb, misinformed, and manipulated https://presstories.com/2021/10/10/facebook-censors-a-tool-that-will-make-you-waste-less-time-on-facebook/ see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930 and https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds [10:04] altlink_051 presstories.com is Cloudflare domain. [10:04] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://presstories.com/2021/10/10/facebook-censors-a-tool-that-will-make-you-waste-less-time-on-facebook/ [10:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-presstories.com | Facebook censors a tool that will make you waste less time on Facebook [10:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Facebook emotion experiment sparks criticism - BBC News [10:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Facebook reveals news feed experiment to control emotions | Facebook | The Guardian [10:04] gustaf recent ~750mi trip was not well timed [10:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://presstories.com/2021/10/10/facebook-censors-a-tool-that-will-make-you-waste-less-time-on-facebook/ ) [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 gustaf: good to live near a biug town now [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 less petrol needed [10:04] schlock schestowitz-TR2: yeah i've lived all over now. i've been lucky in avoiding the anglosphere getting slaughtered, essentially. [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 gustaf: I heard that in some nordic countries they try toeradicate the suburbs [10:04] schestowitz-TR2 making everything metro [10:05] gustaf news to me [10:05] schestowitz-TR2 in .fi [10:05] gustaf well those crazies [10:05] schestowitz-TR2 and it's done by removing services [10:05] schestowitz-TR2 and making it hard to live away from high-density areas [10:05] activelow no, they try to prevent settlements in natural reserves with costly infrastructure required (roads, water, etc.) [10:05] gustaf pretty sure that's just the invisible hand of the free market [10:06] schestowitz-TR2 activelow: yes, I took that too into account [10:06] schestowitz-TR2 but the human condition worsens [10:06] gustaf the smallish town where we have a vacation place (1hr from Stockholm) is grown rapidly [10:06] schestowitz-TR2 do they want a dozen tokyos in Europe? [10:06] gustaf new construction, wider roads [10:06] gustaf supposed to be a high-speed train station in the area too, we'll see how that goes [10:07] schestowitz-TR2 canada is basely settled [10:07] schestowitz-TR2 big country, underutilised [10:07] schestowitz-TR2 worse than Russia [10:07] schestowitz-TR2 gustaf: trains can carry more people per unit pollution [10:07] schestowitz-TR2 rails, inertia, no traffic sighs [10:08] schestowitz-TR2 *signs [10:08] gustaf yeah sure [10:08] schestowitz-TR2 it's the acceleration that causes pollution [10:09] techrights-news #DNA databases are a #privacy nightmare. https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxGamer:f/veritasium:d #TheLinuxGamer [10:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | DNA databases are a privacy nightmare. [10:09] schestowitz[TR] x https://marcellusdrilling.com/2021/10/google-censors-global-warming-deniers-kills-free-speech/ [10:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://marcellusdrilling.com/2021/10/google-censors-global-warming-deniers-kills-free-speech/ ) [10:09] altlink_051 marcellusdrilling.com is Cloudflare domain. [10:09] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://marcellusdrilling.com/2021/10/google-censors-global-warming-deniers-kills-free-speech/ [10:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Google Censors Global Warming Deniers Kills Free Speech | Marcellus Drilling News [10:09] schestowitz[TR] # trying to equate freedom of speech with promoting lies or illegal action [10:10] schestowitz[TR] x https://nypost.com/2021/10/06/frances-haugen-just-wants-more-facebook-censorship-of-conservatives/ [10:10] altlink_051 nypost.com is Cloudflare domain. [10:10] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nypost.com/2021/10/06/frances-haugen-just-wants-more-facebook-censorship-of-conservatives/ [10:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nypost.com | Frances Haugen just wants more Facebook censorship of conservatives [10:10] schestowitz[TR] # tries to give equal valence to lies or opinions as to facts [10:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Frances Haugen just wants more Facebook censorship of conservatives [10:10] schestowitz[TR] Murdoch publication [10:10] schestowitz[TR] what swine [10:11] gustaf this town had a peak population of ~43k in the 30s, 18k now [10:11] techrights-news #assange #wikileaks #iceland https://www.rt.com/news/536849-assange-witness-arrested-iceland/ [10:11] gustaf https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramfors [10:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Key witness in FBI case against Assange held in custody to stop his crime spree in Iceland media RT World News [10:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sv.wikipedia.org | Kramfors Wikipedia [10:11] gustaf classic Swedish "bruksort" (company town) [10:11] gustaf timber production [10:11] schestowitz-TR2 gustaf: iirc, lots of stock' is apartments [10:12] schestowitz-TR2 I recently saw a walkthrough video from googletube [10:12] schestowitz-TR2 gustaf: 'production' [10:12] schestowitz-TR2 didn't know people could "PRODUCE" timber [10:12] schestowitz-TR2 they mostly cut things down and then carve it [10:12] schestowitz-TR2 more like processing than production [10:12] gustaf timber as in the finished product [10:13] schestowitz-TR2 and ikea uses lumber from places in east eurpe [10:13] schlock schestowitz-TR2: thanks much for the vid link, it falls entirely within my own life practise and confirms being on the better path. [10:13] gustaf yah the stuff from Sweden mostly goes to pulp now [10:14] techrights-news "but only amongst those who dont understand how the #Internet works" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21734036 [10:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody@joindiaspora.com: Squid Games success reopens debate over who should pay for rising internet traffic - https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/10/squid-games-success-reopens-debate-over-who-should-pay-for-rising-internet-traffic-netflix but only amongst those who don't understand how the Internet works [10:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Squid Games success reopens who pays debate over rising internet traffic | Telecommunications industry | The Guardian [10:15] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: the lincoln video? [10:15] schlock gustaf: and by the way "not hot enough for you" don't sink so low dude. ;) [10:15] gustaf lol schlock [10:15] schlock schestowitz-TR2: yes, "goals of gnu" [10:15] schestowitz[TR] more here: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Richard_Stallman_interviews_in_Techrights/TechBytes [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman interviews in Techrights/TechBytes - Techrights [10:16] schlock schestowitz-TR2: also thank you for your hard work meeting with people and making these vids. people haven't a clue how difficult that is. i made a few tutorials and it was hell. [10:16] schlock great will be watching those! [10:17] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: :-) [10:17] schlock it's better than hearing he's a paedo from people who have never listened to the man. [10:17] schestowitz-TR2 tell them about Gates [10:17] schestowitz-TR2 see what they say [10:17] schlock right?! [10:17] schestowitz[TR] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [10:17] altlink_051 nytimes.com is Cloudflare domain. [10:17] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [10:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times [10:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times [10:18] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ [10:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights [10:18] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-and-rick-allen-jones/ [10:18] schlock i was going to make a meme image about: "we really do have a white man problem" showing faces of gates, epstein, soros, rockerfeller, etc. ;) [10:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What is Known for a Fact (Not Speculation) About Bill Gates, Jeffrey Epstein, and Rick Allen Jones | Techrights [10:19] schlock take some of the steam out of the "woke" fuckers. [10:19] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: R. Kelly [10:19] schlock ug. :) [10:20] schestowitz[TR] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156673 [10:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSCAL, Open Labs, Mozilla & grooming women for Outreachy | Tux Machines [10:20] schestowitz[TR] 16 year olds [10:20] schestowitz[TR] not coding [10:20] schestowitz[TR] just used as trophies [10:20] schestowitz[TR] by Google [10:20] schestowitz[TR] or their 'offshoot' [10:20] schestowitz[TR] (Mozilla) [10:20] schestowitz[TR] employer of mjg59 [10:20] schlock i once lived in an area where some nation of islam folks were - this guy yusuf bey was keeping little girls in his home and enslaved and getting them all pregnant. [10:21] schestowitz[TR] https://www.gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-teens-spied-on-chats [10:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gawker.com | GCreep: Google Engineer Stalked Teens, Spied on Chats (Updated) [10:21] schlock i'm not fooled by colour, political party, anything. they're all scum and blood suckers. [10:21] schlock anybody with that kind of power didn't get there because they're good people. [10:22] techrights-news Key Witness in #Assange Case Jailed in Iceland After Admitting to Lies and Ongoing Crime Spree - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/10/11/0032241 #soylentnews #wikileaks #iceland [10:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Key Witness in Assange Case Jailed in Iceland After Admitting to Lies and Ongoing Crime Spree - SoylentNews [10:23] techrights-news iophk:# missing the real first step: remove #microsoft products from production environments https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/real-responses-to-repel-cyberattacks-on-utilities/86956802 see e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [10:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Real responses to repel cyberattacks on utilities, IT News, ET CIO [10:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [10:23] schlock google maps? there's a wiki page saying google acquired a business from australia. that's a complete lie, i know the people who started what is now known as google maps personally. so many lies out there. [10:23] schestowitz[TR] # omitting lots of WSL spam [10:23] schlock apologies what is WSL? [10:23] schlock i need to learn the lingo. [10:24] schlock OH [10:24] schlock micro$suck. [10:24] schestowitz[TR] x https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/facebooks-oversight-board-to-meet-with-whistleblower-frances-haugen-2640490 [10:24] altlink_051 investing.com is Cloudflare domain. [10:24] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/facebooks-oversight-board-to-meet-with-whistleblower-frances-haugen-2640490 [10:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.investing.com | Facebook's oversight board to meet with whistleblower Frances Haugen By Reuters [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Facebook's oversight board to meet with whistleblower Frances Haugen By Reuters [10:25] schlock bloody cloudflare. [10:25] techrights-news DD Is Useless: Just Use CAT Instead https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/dd-is-useless-just-use-cat-iDD Is Useless: Just Use CAT Instead https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/dd-is-useless-just-use-cat-instead:9 #BrodieRobertson #gnu #linux [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Odysee [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | DD Is Useless: Just Use CAT Instead [10:25] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: silent takeover of www [10:25] schestowitz-TR2 routed via US companies [10:26] schestowitz-TR2 lots of power to spy and censor [10:26] schestowitz-TR2 the media never talks about that [10:26] schestowitz-TR2 DC cancer [10:26] schestowitz-TR2 or CF canceer [10:26] schestowitz-TR2 imagine if it was a Chinese company [10:26] schlock yes, same old thing isn't it? silently creating bottlenecks until the last moment when they switch the lights off. [10:26] schestowitz-TR2 then there would be an unroar [10:26] schestowitz-TR2 US courts can get to decide what is "allowed" on the 'global' www [10:26] schlock yeah people and their cognitive dissonance. [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 happened with youtuve [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 first it was YOU [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 not it is THEM [10:27] schlock yep. [10:27] schlock goolagtube [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 and Gulag gets to shut down or 'hide'/'shadowban' some channels now [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 for 'your safety' [10:27] schestowitz-TR2 not oligarchs' [10:29] schlock so when everything totalitarian was going down in Australia i had a lot of australians begging for help and i told them there were ways to fight back by setting up their own servers and creating neighbourhood networks by themselves. not one of them lifted a finger to do it because they want to remain eternal children looking for somebody else to save them. [10:29] schlock i really don't suffer that. [10:30] schlock i grew up in grinding poverty and don't have time for people who had it far easier and cave in because they got a hang nail. [10:30] schestowitz-TR2 hang nail? [10:31] schlock the history BEFORE we got to where we are now is riddled with failure on the part of people who ha the time and resources to fix things and take back their power. [10:31] techrights-news NEWS #PIA promotes a misunderstanding of the work "hacking" https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/hacking-the-world-part-2-whats-being-hacked-and-what-changed-with-covid/ [10:31] altlink_051 privateinternetaccess.com is Cloudflare domain. [10:31] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/hacking-the-world-part-2-whats-being-hacked-and-what-changed-with-covid/ [10:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | Hacking the World Part 2: What's Being Hacked (And What Changed with Covid) [10:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/hacking-the-world-part-2-whats-being-hacked-and-what-changed-with-covid/ ) [10:31] schlock and i'm not talking about shite i read in the news. [10:31] techrights-news NEWS #ProPublica A Secretive Counterterrorism Team Interrogated Dozens of Citizens at the Border, Government Report Finds https://www.propublica.org/article/a-secretive-counterterrorism-team-interrogated-dozens-of-citizens-at-the-border-government-report-finds [10:31] altlink_051 propublica.org is Cloudflare domain. [10:31] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/a-secretive-counterterrorism-team-interrogated-dozens-of-citizens-at-the-border-government-report-finds [10:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.propublica.org | A Secretive Counterterrorism Team Interrogated Dozens of Citizens at the Border, Government Report Finds ProPublica [10:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | A Secretive Counterterrorism Team Interrogated Dozens of Citizens at the Border, Government Report Finds ProPublica [10:32] schlock i'm talking about growing up with and living with people who practised behaviours that allowed for things to continue on until what is happening world wide now. [10:32] schlock i got to see things from the outside in and it was a blessing in disguise. [10:33] schestowitz-TR2 are you in aus now? [10:33] schlock i'm not no. [10:33] schestowitz-TR2 it copies us [10:33] schestowitz-TR2 like patriot act 20 years later [10:33] schlock i moved away from the anglosphere many years ago because i knew some bad stuff was going to happen and i didn't want to be around anglophones when it all happened. [10:34] schestowitz-TR2 we're still here... [10:35] schlock the anglosphere has a special kind of conformism based on that old protestant work ethic that created a kind of psychological api so folks are easily manipulatable in certain ways. just look at how freakish the population of california has become in enforcing things for the oligarchs. [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 some people drown or go under [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 california is a mix [10:35] schlock yeah it's going to be even more tough as the supply chain is broken and folks can't get things they are accustomed to getting. [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 there is a lot of poverty in california [10:35] gustaf excpt there are a hell of a lot of people who speak English and are Roman Catholic but w/e [10:35] schlock i know newsome personally, i hate that guy so much. :) [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 iirc, LA alone has like 50k homless [10:35] schestowitz-TR2 *homeless [10:36] schlock yeah it's disgusting. [10:36] schestowitz-TR2 and those numbers are PRE-pandemic [10:36] schlock i know. [10:36] schlock i lived in SF for a time. [10:36] schlock i used to cook food for the homeless. [10:36] schlock i risked being arrested to feed people. [10:36] schestowitz-TR2 SF is expensive [10:36] schestowitz-TR2 the locals there cannot keep up with rent [10:36] schlock i don't have time for pepole who had more money than me and didn't lift a finger to help the less fortunate. [10:36] schestowitz-TR2 they don't enjoy the "tech" 'boom' there [10:36] schlock not anymore now. :) [10:36] schestowitz-TR2 it boomed their estate [10:37] schlock yeah i watched it happen. [10:37] gustaf due to adtech [10:37] gustaf obscene profits [10:37] schestowitz-TR2 so they say [10:37] schestowitz-TR2 lots of that is a bubble [10:37] schestowitz-TR2 companies faking 'engagements' [10:37] schlock i'm glad i'm out of there. [10:37] schestowitz-TR2 so other companies get scammed [10:37] schestowitz-TR2 into overpaying for ads [10:38] schestowitz-TR2 Google, Twitter, FB MS LinkedIn.. [10:38] schestowitz-TR2 they all fake it [10:38] schlock but i won't forget the homeless folks i tried to help. breaks my heart. [10:38] *psydruid enjoys the tech going boom over here [10:38] schestowitz-TR2 psydruid: nl? [10:39] psydruid schestowitz-TR2, just figuratively speaking contrasting with 'there' [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 tech now is shite [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 sorry [10:39] psydruid I mean implode or explode, whatever suits best [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 I'm being blunt [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 apps [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 clown [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 wtf is THAT? [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 now we have one-button 'software' [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 like banking 'apps' [10:39] psydruid so it had better go *boom* and disappear [10:39] schestowitz-TR2 how is that better than 20 years ago? [10:40] psydruid it isn't [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 32 MB Web browsers with 1024 px across [10:40] psydruid it's all crap [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 we need to decrapify tech [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 i have this 'theory' [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 bear with me: [10:40] psydruid but people allowed it to become crap because they don't understand it well enough [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 the oligarchs and their monopolies want us less empowered [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 so they push time-wasting to us [10:40] psydruid companies will try to get away with it [10:40] schestowitz-TR2 "liking", scrolling, "apps" [10:41] schestowitz-TR2 meanwhile, Bloomberg terminals are 4 or 6 screens [10:41] schestowitz-TR2 and they take away all the capital [10:41] schestowitz-TR2 with real computing [10:41] schestowitz-TR2 and treat the typical youngesters like a click farm [10:41] schestowitz-TR2 it generallybenefits them when all computer users are turned into useds [10:42] schestowitz-TR2 with FB accounts, FBInstagram, YouTube [10:42] psydruid the youngsters, even those working at 'big tech' don't understand they are being farmed [10:42] schestowitz-TR2 the younger people swallow it up [10:42] schestowitz-TR2 and are shamed in schools if they don't play ball [10:42] schestowitz-TR2 I use 7 screens at the moment [10:42] schestowitz-TR2 most are 1920px across [10:42] schestowitz-TR2 I could not do this on a 'phone [10:42] psydruid I have my laptop and 2 screens just a few metres away from me [10:43] schestowitz-TR2 I have a professor/lecturer mate with does email over phone [10:43] psydruid this is another one [10:43] schestowitz-TR2 I tell him, go home, do it properly there... [10:43] schestowitz-TR2 he had a quad setup at work, 4-headed [10:43] schestowitz-TR2 but he doesn't know how to use it, that runs on WIndows [10:43] schlock i have my box and a monitor, haha. i'm small beans. :) [10:44] schestowitz-TR2 depends on your tasks [10:44] psydruid used screens are cheap nowadays :) [10:44] schlock but i use all my awesome tags nd tmux and whatever [10:44] schestowitz-TR2 very cheap [10:44] schlock psydruid: yeah i'm broke man. :D [10:44] schestowitz-TR2 my 24 incher is in good condition, cost me 29 pounds [10:44] schlock i am literally couch surfing. [10:44] schestowitz-TR2 a friend gave me a larger one for free [10:45] schlock all of my hardware is donated. [10:45] schlock a mate bought me a laptop bless him. [10:45] schestowitz-TR2 cool [10:46] psydruid schlock, I was a homeless person with a job back in Ireland after getting kicked out of my apartment because someone else was willing to pay even more :) [10:46] schlock psydruid: yep i been homeless now for over 10 years after illness destroyed my life. [10:46] schestowitz-TR2 NHS reduces the chance of it happening [10:46] schlock somebody on irc i met said i could come live with them and ever since it's been insane. [10:47] schestowitz-TR2 but Tories wreck it [10:47] schlock i'm lucky though, didn't end up on the street. [10:47] schlock once you're there it's the end. [10:47] schestowitz-TR2 usually family is first fallback [10:47] schlock they're all dead/alienated for various reasons not of my doing. [10:47] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: unless the gov. has some programmes [10:47] schlock schestowitz-TR2: i have never used one. [10:47] schlock i don't trust them for shite. [10:48] schlock the one time i did try, the ONLY time, i ended up being told i had to get finger printed. no. [10:48] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch Awakening: #MartinLutherKing and the Poor People's Campaign https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/11/awakening-martin-luther-king-and-the-poor-peoples-campaign/ [10:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Awakening: Martin Luther King and the Poor People's Campaign - CounterPunch.org [10:48] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: how would biometrics help? [10:48] schlock i've had a series of miracles keep me from being homeless. [10:48] schestowitz-TR2 seems like a pretext to bio-catalogue "plebs" [10:49] schestowitz-TR2 they are desperate [10:49] schestowitz-TR2 likely to surrender to anything [10:49] schlock schestowitz-TR2: biometrics just sounds like eugenicist control to me. [10:49] schestowitz-TR2 without them being listed to by human rights groups [10:49] schestowitz-TR2 they lack access [10:49] schlock thing is no group has ever had my literal well-being at heart. [10:49] schlock the churches want you to convert. [10:50] schestowitz-TR2 they don't do eugenicist stuff anymore [10:50] schestowitz-TR2 now it's class based [10:50] schestowitz-TR2 so you need another world [10:50] schlock the government programmes want you to submit and become fully documented. [10:50] schestowitz-TR2 femicide was one in mexico [10:50] schestowitz-TR2 when you drive the poor out of life it's a class-based system [10:50] schestowitz-TR2 but we lack a word for it [10:50] schestowitz-TR2 killing the "weak" [10:50] schestowitz-TR2 Germany killed the disabled first [10:50] schestowitz-TR2 well before death camps [10:51] schlock i'm sorry i'm going to disagree with you on "they don't do eugenicist stuff anymore". [10:51] schestowitz-TR2 British gov. not doing enough re COVID [10:51] schestowitz-TR2 and that kills "unproductive" people [10:51] schestowitz-TR2 "let the bodies pile up high" [10:51] schlock the black women in my neighbourhood were all sterilised illegally when they ended up in jail. [10:51] schestowitz-TR2 don't forget that [10:51] schestowitz-TR2 he's still our head of state [10:51] schestowitz-TR2 "let the bodies pile up high" [10:51] schestowitz-TR2 Stalinism [10:51] schestowitz-TR2 Boris [10:51] schestowitz-TR2 that name alone is a warning [10:51] schlock and they were sterilised recently, not 100 years ago or 50 or even 20. [10:51] schestowitz-TR2 family from Lithuania area IIRC [10:51] schestowitz-TR2 or estonia [10:52] schlock Boris, AKA Alexander, has a eugenicist father. wrote a book on eugenicist ideas in fact. [10:52] schestowitz-TR2 hence the blode hair of Jo Johnson and 'Boris' [10:52] schlock i don't call him boris. [10:52] schestowitz-TR2 not even his real name [10:52] schlock i call him alexander. [10:52] schlock he's not a chummy fellow - he's not human. [10:52] schestowitz-TR2 I did too [10:52] schlock he's not one of us. [10:52] schestowitz-TR2 but it confuses people [10:52] schestowitz-TR2 there are many Alex Jonhnsons [10:52] schlock yeah we can call him what he really is in here at least. :) [10:53] schlock yeah he's "alexander" haha. [10:53] schestowitz-TR2 I call him Borisnaro [10:53] schestowitz-TR2 since his "Freedom Day" plan [10:53] schlock i noticed. :D [10:53] schestowitz-TR2 so what if 300k old people die [10:53] schestowitz-TR2 good write-off for Aviva et al [10:53] schestowitz-TR2 nothing to pay [10:53] schlock yep. [10:53] schestowitz-TR2 "man up, people" [10:54] schestowitz-TR2 Bolsonaro came from the army [10:54] schestowitz-TR2 a brutal army [10:54] techrights-news
  • [10:55] techrights-news NEWS #TheNation #Pandemic Solidarity Transformed Our Society. Now We Need It Again. https://www.thenation.com/article/society/covid-pandemic-solidarity/ [10:55] altlink_051 thenation.com is Cloudflare domain. [10:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Pandemic Solidarity Transformed Our Society. Now We Need It Again. | The Nation [10:55] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/society/covid-pandemic-solidarity/ [10:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Pandemic Solidarity Transformed Our Society. Now We Need It Again. | The Nation [10:55] schlock stanley johnson wrote: life without birth. fucking transhumanist scum. [10:55] schestowitz-TR2 whenever I see the word "transhumanist" I go oh oh [10:55] schestowitz-TR2 usually the k00ky thing [10:55] schestowitz-TR2 like the stuff Corbet panders to [10:56] schlock hey i understand but it's very real. so the question is do you think that transhumanism isn't a real thing? [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 when I see trans I think transport of transfats [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: doesn't matter, the term is unhelpful [10:56] schestowitz-TR2 even "deep state" is a toxic term now [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 it came to mean "those against Trump" [10:57] schlock i see what you mean, co-opted terms. [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 "Fake news" also [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 because Trump hijacked those terms [10:57] schlock yeah, a lot of co-opting has happened. [10:57] schlock but that goes way back sadly. [10:57] schestowitz-TR2 and k00ks hijack other terms, which are no longer usable [10:57] schlock invalid -> handicapped -> disabled -> whatever other PC term because Maoist practises in the current era. [10:58] schestowitz-TR2 "special" [10:58] schlock i respect where you're coming from and i feel the same way because i've seen it myself BUT when i'm around folks who are on the same page i rather expect you know where i'm coming from. :) [10:59] schlock and i sure as hell am not coming from lizard territory. [10:59] schestowitz[TR] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asZ1R-Xylj4 [10:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-George Carlin Political Correctness is fascism pretending to be Manners (archived mirrored vid) - YouTube [10:59] schlock words still have meaning. [10:59] schlock like "woman". [10:59] schestowitz[TR] skip to 1:50 [10:59] schestowitz[TR] "physically-challenged" [10:59] schlock i've heard carlin repeated over and over for decades thanks. :D [10:59] schestowitz[TR] differently-abled [10:59] schlock and i've lived that shite as well. [10:59] schlock been there done that! [10:59] schestowitz[TR] as if they can give people tlimbs back [10:59] schlock i'm over it! [10:59] schestowitz[TR] by moving around words ● Oct 12 [11:00] schlock :D [11:00] schestowitz[TR] IBM says don't say master [11:00] schestowitz[TR] they still say master [11:00] schlock python -> remove master/slave [11:00] schestowitz[TR] and they do evil things, too [11:00] schlock fucking freaks. [11:00] schlock when you remove the language you remove people's ability to identify. [11:00] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fqrrh2umx2a56.irc) has joined #techrights [11:00] schlock DOUBLE PLUS BAD [11:00] schlock no way. [11:01] schlock i hold onto my language tooth and nail. [11:01] DaemonFC No, it's doubleplusungood. [11:01] schlock i don't watch netflix because i guard my mind jealously. [11:01] techrights-news "Mixed": a mixed of government propaganda (lies) and bad reality https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/11/a-mixed-jobs-report/ [11:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Mixed Jobs Report - CounterPunch.org [11:02] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch #assange #wikileaks #DanielEllsberg On The #CIA Plan To Kidnap And Possibly Kill Julian Assange, The End Of The Afghanistan Occupation, And The Ongoing Us Drone War https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/11/daniel-ellsberg-on-the-cia-plan-to-kidnap-and-possibly-kill-julian-assange-the-end-of-the-afghanistan-occupation-and-the-ongoing-us-drone-war/ [11:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Daniel Ellsberg On The CIA Plan To Kidnap And Possibly Kill Julian Assange, The End Of The Afghanistan Occupation, And The Ongoing Us Drone War - CounterPunch.org [11:02] schlock funny thing is i haven't found stanley johnson's book "life without birth" anywhere online. [11:02] schlock not even a torrent yet. [11:03] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, There is no more "firefox" executable with Firefox 93, in the Task Monitor. [11:03] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: Torvalds joked about it months ago [11:03] DaemonFC They changed it to "GeckoMain". [11:03] schestowitz-TR2 because he's getting some sub-perfect patches [11:03] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: I'm sure Gecko Slaves were relieves [11:03] schlock i sure hope i can get rid of firefox for something usable soon before i have to update to the newest spy version. [11:03] DaemonFC The Flatpak version is using Bubblewrap on top of the regular browser sandbox. [11:03] schestowitz-TR2 the gecko colony will be eaten by jungle dwellers regardless [11:04] schestowitz-TR2 *relived [11:04] schestowitz-TR2 *relieved [11:04] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: they call it Web [11:04] schestowitz-TR2 and Supervisor and stuff [11:04] schestowitz-TR2 it's very confusing [11:04] schlock MinceR: mentioned some but the only feasible one seemed to be qutebrowser until i was educated it dials home to M$. [11:05] schestowitz-TR2 and to some people it can make it seem like Firefox takes a lot less resources than it actually does [11:05] schestowitz-TR2 I remember that one browser was one process [11:05] schlock i see i got ranty again so i'll calm down. [11:05] schestowitz-TR2 the same happens with blink/chromium-based shites [11:05] schestowitz-TR2 it's processes all over the place [11:05] activelow schlock: nothing available anymore. for a decade at least. [11:05] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: in Debian 10 at least [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 qutebrowser is packaged tyo phone Microsoft [11:06] activelow anyone claiming their browser was any different or clean (including tor-browser), is lying [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 through ddg [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 and it's very hard to change that [11:06] schestowitz-TR2 I tried for ages to no avail [11:06] schlock activelow: thanks - good to know now at least instead of wasting time. [11:07] schlock activelow: sonds like i need to get on my iptables for outgoing crap perhaps? [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 activelow: here's a task for you(for fun) [11:07] schlock schestowitz-TR2: yeah i can never go back to debian again so that's out. [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 check how many open files netsurf uses [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 then compare to falkon and firefox [11:07] schestowitz-TR2 I did some videos and posts about it, but IIRC Firefox can be like 20,000-30,000 open files [11:08] schestowitz-TR2 for netsurf it's under 100 iirc [11:08] schlock is that why firefox is such a memory hog? [11:08] schestowitz-TR2 so-called 'web' so-called 'browsers' are spawning crap all over the place [11:09] schlock yep. [11:09] schestowitz[TR] TWO tabs open: [11:09] schestowitz[TR] roy@vonick:~$ lsof | grep firefox | wc -l [11:09] schestowitz[TR] 37630 [11:09] schestowitz[TR] That's 20,000 open files per tab [11:09] schlock fifteen firefox "containers" [11:09] schlock each 2gb [11:09] schestowitz[TR] zero tabs, only empty one open: [11:10] schlock i'm only slightly exaggerating. [11:10] schestowitz[TR] roy@vonick:~$ lsof | grep firefox | wc -l [11:10] schestowitz[TR] 34233 [11:10] schestowitz[TR] woo! 3,000 less [11:10] schlock hah [11:10] activelow schestowitz-TR2: granted, i do like netsurf, however it isn't what some might expect from a web browser to navigate online banking, any multimedia, whatever [11:10] schestowitz[TR] close two tabs [11:10] schestowitz[TR] kill off 3000 open files [11:10] schestowitz[TR] 'only' 34,000 left [11:10] schestowitz[TR] I'm so relived [11:10] schestowitz[TR] *relieved [11:10] schlock hell i should try netsurf for what its worth i reckon. [11:10] schestowitz[TR] it's getting worse as each release comes out [11:11] schestowitz[TR] I want to try some 2001 distro and see what a browser opened back then [11:11] schestowitz[TR] or firefox in 2004 [11:11] schlock i loved firefox then. was light and configurable up the wazoo. [11:11] schestowitz[TR] activelow: go to the bank [11:11] schestowitz[TR] it might even give some locals jobs, too [11:11] schestowitz[TR] they work for YOU [11:11] schestowitz[TR] or are they? [11:11] schlock cash fridays. [11:12] schlock righto here goes netsurf dive. [11:12] activelow https://dpaste.com/326ELBA5L [11:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dpaste: netsurf-anonymous.patch [11:13] schlock activelow: hey do i need to instal that patch then? [11:13] schlock looks like a yes. [11:13] activelow schlock: not necessarily, it's only a reminder, to be aware. [11:14] schlock damn you elite folks. :D i'll ask my partner for help hopefully she knows, i'm lost htere. [11:14] schlock activelow: hey, that's good imho. [11:14] schlock when you get tired and run down good practise goes out the window. [11:17] schlock aaaah, i'll miss my umatrix/ublockorigin here. hmm [11:17] techrights-news "EXCLUSIVE: Capcom allows #Facebook to Deface & Modify Resident Evil 4 for Oculus VR Remake " https://happywarrior.substack.com/p/re4vr [11:17] altlink_051 substack.com is Cloudflare domain. [11:17] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://happywarrior.substack.com/p/re4vr [11:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-happywarrior.substack.com | EXCLUSIVE: Capcom allows Facebook to Deface Resident Evil 4 in VR Remake for Oculus - by Peter "The Pete" Pischke - The Happy Warrior [11:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | EXCLUSIVE: Capcom allows Facebook to Deface Resident Evil 4 in VR Remake for Oculus - by Peter "The Pete" Pischke - The Happy Warrior [11:18] techrights-news #microsoft #widows TCO https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/artikel/datatilsynet-mindst-31-danske-virksomheder-ramt-ransomware-2021-1093434 Windows kills. http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [11:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www-version2-dk.translate.goog | Datatilsynet: Mindst 31 danske virksomheder ramt af ransomware i 2021 | Version2 [11:18] DaemonFC Hmm, playing around with MTU settings. [11:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [11:18] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.56 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.21 swarm size (avg): 261.00 [11:18] DaemonFC Got good results by setting MTU to 1420 on my wifi and VPN interfaces. [11:18] DaemonFC Linux defaults to 1500 like Windows does. Don't know why I forgot to check. [11:19] techrights-news "The Open 3D Engine being developed by The #LinuxFoundation was not available for Linux. It was available for #Microsoft #Windows only." https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-linux-foundations-3d-game-engine http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [11:19] altlink_051 substack.com is Cloudflare domain. [11:19] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-linux-foundations-3d-game-engine [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lunduke.substack.com | The Linux Foundation's 3D Game engine... still doesn't support Linux - by Bryan Lunduke - The Lunduke Journal of Technology [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | The Linux Foundation's 3D Game engine... still doesn't support Linux - by Bryan Lunduke - The Lunduke Journal of Technology [11:19] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:19] schlock heh, that headline is interesting. [11:20] techrights-news "Every financial barrier to factual information impedes the development of thought." https://social.coop/@theblockchainsocialist/107084336417070395 [11:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Blockchain Socialist : "RT @NathanJRobinson@twitter.com Nor should she. " - social.coop [11:20] techrights-news "If governments of the world realised (as I've often suggested) that they should be funding critical digital #FOSS infrastructure, instead of OAuth run by mega corporations, slurping our data with their surveillance capitalism bizmodels" https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/107078227231145182 [11:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Please donate to Mozilla Corporation, their CEO i" - Arals Mastodon [11:21] techrights-news "If governments of the world realised (as I've often suggested) that they should be funding critical digital #FOSS infrastructure, instead of OAuth run by mega corporations, slurping our data with their surveillance capitalism bizmodels" https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/107086350734889579 [11:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "If governments of the world realised (as I've oft" - Mastodon - NZOSS [11:22] techrights-news "My employer, a tertiary academic institution, has short-sightedly thrown its chips in with Microsoft. To request leave via the institution's system, I have to use a Microsoft Live login. I consider it an incredible insult that my employer requires me to accept" https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/107086329464854079 [11:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "My employer, a tertiary academic institution, has" - Mastodon - NZOSS [11:23] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [11:23] techrights-news "Please donate to Mozilla Corporation, their CEO is trying to scrape by on just a little over $3,000,000/year. Im sure you can all relate to how hard that can be so, please, dig deep this giving season." https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/107078227231145182 #mozilla #firefox http://techrights.org/2021/08/05/lousy-mozilla-management/ [11:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Firefox Cannot be Trusted at the Hands of Todays Mozilla Management | Techrights [11:24] techrights-news "Once Tor's MetricsPort gets unix socket support I'll add support for it to relayor." https://mastodon.social/@nusenu/107078366620442457 [11:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | nusenu: "Once Tor's MetricsPort gets unix socket support I" - Mastodon [11:25] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [11:25] *activelow (~activelow@sctsjmg96zkru.irc) has joined #techrights [11:25] techrights-news #deletegithub https://mastodon.social/@nusenu/107078024067479618 #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #ibm #ansible http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [11:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | nusenu: "I've just released ansible relayor v21.1.0 for to" - Mastodon [11:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [11:31] schlock this netsurf is wonderfully light. [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 does not work with hostile sites [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 i see that as a plus [11:33] schlock same. [11:33] schestowitz-TR2 if you like me, OK [11:34] schestowitz-TR2 if you don't like me, go AWAY [11:34] schestowitz-TR2 (to sites that are treating visits like subjects to be lied to) [11:34] schlock yep [11:36] schlock i said quite some years ago that javascript was an intentional destruction of the internet. "for your good" "for your ease of use" - no it's just another social credit system of compliance. [11:36] schlock i can't have a bank account so i'm locked out of society. [11:37] schestowitz-TR2 move to gemini [11:37] schlock everything is mostly phone apps now - digital currency. [11:37] schlock yeah don't worry i will do but as always it takes time to adjust and whatot and i'm already dealing with a lot on my plate. :) [11:37] schestowitz[TR] http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/12/uk-home-office-eu-mobile/ [11:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Ongoing Investigation: Does the UK Home Office Force EU Citizens to Carry Around Tracking Devices? [11:38] schlock dear headline: DUH [11:38] schlock what's a smart spy for? [11:38] schlock schestowitz[TR]: oh whoops that wasn't meant to be a direct attack on you. :D [11:39] schestowitz-TR2 I know [11:39] schestowitz-TR2 but those things still need to be documented [11:39] schlock i'm literally a tinderbox after literal decades of dealing with complicity and cognitive dissonance. [11:39] schestowitz-TR2 and the officials need to be confronted [11:39] schestowitz-TR2 which is what I do when it is possible at a personal capacity [11:39] schestowitz-TR2 it's still possible to pay with cash in most places [11:39] *inky (~inky@37.252.67.70) has joined #techrights [11:39] schestowitz-TR2 people protest [11:40] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11:40] schlock schestowitz[TR]: no i understand what you're talking about and i understand why headlines are worded as such due to the fact that most people won't let things through to the braincells unless you get around certain "security features" put in place by mainstream media and other institutions. [11:40] schlock yeah but i still can't have a bank account. [11:40] schlock so social credit has been working for a very long time. [11:41] schlock so i can't get paid to do work remotely. [11:41] schlock it means cleaning toilets. [11:41] schestowitz-TR2 i see... [11:41] schlock as slave labour i really do object. :) [11:41] schestowitz-TR2 IBM objects to the word [11:41] schlock they can end up in the gas ovens for all i care. [11:42] schlock the ones they fed. [11:42] schestowitz[TR] IBM is all about the ethics http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ [11:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBMs Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights [11:42] schlock in fact the populace should have erradicated them directly after the war. [11:43] schlock and every other complicit person/business. [11:43] schestowitz-TR2 who? [11:44] schestowitz-TR2 GM and Ford are still around [11:44] schestowitz-TR2 IBM also [11:44] schlock all of them. [11:44] schlock every single one. [11:44] schestowitz-TR2 and now it rebrands as "woke" [11:44] schlock ofcourse it does. [11:44] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: what them? [11:44] schlock schestowitz-TR2: you just named a few of "them". [11:44] schlock i'm not going to give you a whole list - isn't it obvious at this point? [11:44] schestowitz-TR2 no [11:45] schestowitz-TR2 different people see the issues differently [11:45] schestowitz-TR2 I see it as class issue [11:45] schlock prescott bush was caught doing business with nazi germany during wwii - for example - and his son and grand son became presidents of america - that alone is massive. [11:45] schestowitz-TR2 so you need to be clearer [11:45] schlock ah right. [11:45] schestowitz-TR2 yes [11:45] schestowitz-TR2 thanks for clarifying [11:46] schlock i only have so much energy and time so please bear with me. [11:46] schestowitz-TR2 many of the augenicists are still around [11:46] schlock i've been ill for quite some time. [11:46] schestowitz-TR2 but they upped their act and language [11:46] schlock i have a short temper. [11:46] schestowitz-TR2 so the agenda is still there [11:46] schestowitz-TR2 the eugenics isn't genics [11:46] schestowitz-TR2 "eu" =good [11:46] schlock i know that's why i speak of the eugencists all the time. [11:46] schestowitz-TR2 but genics became "poor" [11:46] schestowitz-TR2 "stupid" [11:46] schestowitz-TR2 "retarded" [11:46] schestowitz[TR] techrights.org/2019/07/16/haar-dark-historical-shadow/ [11:47] schestowitz-TR2 or, "the weak" [11:47] schestowitz[TR] https://www.waterstones.com/book/war-against-the-weak/edwin-black/9781568583211 [11:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.waterstones.com/book/war-against-the-weak/edwin-black/9781568583211 ) [11:47] schlock that will be a great links to read (your site) thanks. [11:48] schlock damn 403. [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 I have the full book as PDF [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 about 1500 pages iirc [11:48] schestowitz[TR] https://www.amazon.co.uk/War-Against-Weak-Eugenics-Americas/dp/0914153293 [11:48] schlock holy crap i haven't the time sadly - that's something ild love to read. [11:48] schestowitz[TR] amazon :/ [11:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race-Expanded Edition : Black, Edwin: Amazon.co.uk: Books [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 we posted many portions of that book in techrights [11:48] schestowitz-TR2 mostly the bits about IBM [11:49] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Racism [11:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights [11:49] schlock since you see things as class then i am of the lowest class - the class that was kept around as cannon fodder and factory fodder - the middle classes are delusional about "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" when the whole system is rigged in the first place. [11:49] schlock the system needs the poor and the homeless and fodder to run. [11:49] techrights-news Links 12/10/2021: Jrg Schilling Passes Away, Tor Browser 11.0a8 http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/jorg-schilling-passes-away/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/jorg-schilling-passes-away/ [11:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 12/10/2021: Jrg Schilling Passes Away, Tor Browser 11.0a8 | Techrights [11:49] schlock the middle classes have grown up on the backs of the lowers. [11:50] techrights-news #Security , FUD, and #ProprietarySoftware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156688 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security, FUD, and Proprietary Software | Tux Machines [11:50] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: the middle too is shrinking [11:50] schestowitz-TR2 it's cannibalism [11:50] schestowitz-TR2 or bottom-feeding [11:50] schlock okay getting a copy just to have it but i am turning into a donkey carrying books which is disappointing. [11:50] schestowitz-TR2 the capital gets amassed by few people [11:50] schestowitz-TR2 and that also begets political control [11:50] schlock schestowitz-TR2: yeah the oligarchs are wiping out everybody below them. [11:51] *gde35 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) [11:51] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156689 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [11:51] schestowitz-TR2 schlock: you can read portions of it [11:51] schestowitz-TR2 or find the file-shared book on the Web [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 it's not too hard [11:52] schestowitz-TR2 I doubt he'd oppose [11:52] schlock getting a copy now. :) [11:52] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/edwin-black-2021/ [11:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Interview With Edwin Black: IBM Has Never Apologised, Instead It Hid Its Role in Nazi Germany | Techrights [11:52] schlock of the war gasint th e weak [11:52] schlock eh [11:52] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/ibm-denial/ [11:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Edwin Black Explains Why IBM Was the Worst and the Only One to Obstruct His Research (Into IBMs Dark Past) | Techrights [11:53] schestowitz[TR] video/ogg/webmb http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ [11:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights [11:53] schestowitz-TR2 bbiab [11:53] schestowitz-TR2 need to post some articles now [11:53] schlock i'm grateful to those of edwin black's ilk - so many people tried to warn us and other times it was the oligarchs themselves who published what they were up to in plain sight such as edward bernays and carroll quigley. [11:54] schlock all good at least somebody is being productive around here. :D [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 he does gather a lot of evidence [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 and references to books and old manuscripts at the end [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 those are suppressed [11:54] schlock so much is. [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 you need to travel to the remaining physical copies [11:54] schestowitz-TR2 like the eugenics literature [11:55] schestowitz-TR2 like british torture of kanyans [11:55] schestowitz-TR2 they destroyed a lot of records [11:55] schlock yeah the guy who runs this site has spoken a lot about it: technocracy.news/ [11:55] schestowitz-TR2 blaming water damage etc. [11:55] schlock https://www.technocracy.news/ [11:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.technocracy.news | Technocracy News & Trends [11:55] schestowitz-TR2 very funny excuses [11:55] schestowitz-TR2 the "dog ate my homework" kind [11:55] schestowitz-TR2 but from Number 10 [11:55] schlock he's the son of a woman sterilised by her parents because they were technocracists. [11:56] schestowitz-TR2 the British Bulldog excuses [11:56] schlock he was adopted by her later in life after she got away from her parents. [11:57] schestowitz-TR2 sterilised: [11:57] schestowitz[TR] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JcYEXeK0g8 [11:57] schlock and his mum was sterilised because her brother had been born with an umbilical cord around his neck choking off the oxygen and all the technocrats and the doctor thought it was genetic error so they sterilised the sister. [11:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chapter 1 | The Eugenics Crusade - YouTube [11:57] schestowitz[TR] local copy: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Chapter-1-The-Eugenics-Crusade.mp4?_=1 [11:57] schestowitz[TR] it was all the rage back then [11:57] schestowitz[TR] got a dumb kid [11:57] schestowitz[TR] sterilise them [11:57] schestowitz[TR] for society's "better good" [11:58] schestowitz[TR] that was before ww2 [11:58] schestowitz-TR2 eugenics: made in USA [11:58] schlock it's funny because after i escaped america the movie shown on the plane was an old eugenics movie. how prescient. [11:58] schestowitz-TR2 the germany either copied or made "parallel discoveries" [11:58] schestowitz-TR2 *germans [11:58] schlock americans were all about eugenics and hitler loved that stuff. [11:59] schlock i blame the americans for being the root of so many world problems. [11:59] schlock that fucking transhumanism "transwomen are women" crap came from there. [11:59] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights ● Oct 12 [12:00] schlock anybody willing to believe men are women - my trust right out the window we can have any sane dialogue. [12:00] schestowitz-TR2 those are a distraction [12:00] schestowitz-TR2 those people are not the cause of problems [12:00] schestowitz-TR2 don't scapegoat them [12:00] schlock i'm not scapegoating anybody so don't reframe me. [12:00] schestowitz-TR2 but the oligarchs trot this out as a distraction from real issues [12:00] schestowitz-TR2 0.01% or less of the poulation is a proble, [12:00] schlock i'm well aware of that but there's a line i draw. [12:01] schestowitz-TR2 not trans, but oligarchs [12:01] schestowitz-TR2 the right-wing media slant of the oligarchs scapegoated gays [12:01] schlock the thing is that you haven't seen what i have, you haven't endured what i have. [12:01] schestowitz-TR2 not it does the same with trans and "brexit" [12:02] schlock okay you think i'm being like that and the problem is you're wrong there but you don't know who i am hence you can only see me through a certain paradigm. [12:02] schlock you misunderstand but in time you'll see what i'm getting at. [12:02] schestowitz-TR2 maybe a misinterpretation, yes [12:02] schestowitz-TR2 happens a lot over text-only chat [12:02] schlock yes exactly. [12:03] schlock i'm not some religious zealot or political cretin who is about bashing folks - i know exactly what's happening with all of the distractions - the point i was tring to make is that i have actually met folks who tried to bully me into that stuff and accepting lies as truth and then trying to get me to perpetuate that - it's part of massive psychological trick and i refuse to be a part of it. [12:04] schlock it's why there is the same "inclusive" ToC everywhere. [12:04] schestowitz-TR2 we think it helps the powerful [12:04] schestowitz-TR2 it gives disproportionate power t o tyrants [12:05] schestowitz-TR2 you can never file a CoC complaint about IBM for example [12:05] schlock it's like what went down in maoist china with turning the whole populace into a slavish, thoughtless force willing to do anything based on lies and shaming and intimdation. [12:05] schestowitz-TR2 you would be laughed out [12:05] schlock yep, it's all part of the current paradigm. [12:05] schlock it's all intentional, just like any corruption. [12:06] schestowitz-TR2 anyway, we wrote about those things many times [12:06] schestowitz-TR2 I will repost some Mozilla articles now [12:06] schestowitz-TR2 Mozilla is killed by this nonsense [12:06] schlock anybody saying it's "incompetence" is giving cover to criminality - people don't realise by short-circuiting their critical thinking and calling it "incompetence" they're only giving intentional criminality an excuse to continue. [12:06] schlock i might be the janitor but i'm not stupid. :) [12:07] *schlock is now known as the_janitor [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 some people equate salary with wisdom [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 though the world's most celever people work in unis [12:07] the_janitor a lot of people do. look at the folks who love steve jobs. heh [12:07] schestowitz-TR2 with relatively meager salaries [12:09] *activelow needs a reboot [12:09] techrights-news #microsoft is still #googlebombing the #linux brand to promote #vista11 #malware while 'Linux' Foundation stands by, smiling foolishly. [12:09] *activelow has quit (Quit: leaving) [12:09] the_janitor infuriating. [12:10] schestowitz-TR2 yes, but old news in a sense [12:10] the_janitor yep. [12:10] schestowitz-TR2 this is how they attack us [12:10] schestowitz-TR2 Windows is Linux [12:10] schestowitz-TR2 Linux is WIndows [12:11] schestowitz-TR2 you don't know what's waht [12:11] the_janitor men are women [12:11] the_janitor it's all over. [12:11] schestowitz-TR2 the trademark is not being enforced [12:11] the_janitor it's the same tactics everywhere. [12:11] the_janitor in every aspect of life. [12:12] the_janitor back in the 90's i lived in a town that had 3 electronics shops. they were major corporate ones, can't remember the names now. anyways they sold completely different elecronics from each other. all very expensive stuff, not one shop had what the other 2 had in order to have any price competitiveness. [12:12] schestowitz-TR2 I don't agree that product names and genders are the same [12:13] schestowitz-TR2 The Linux situation is one of certain nature [12:13] schestowitz-TR2 being a free software project [12:13] the_janitor you don't have to but that's what i've seen happen, same patterns everywhere in every aspect of life. [12:13] schestowitz-TR2 they already removed the GNU [12:13] schestowitz-TR2 so people don't talk about the system's freedom [12:13] schestowitz-TR2 and they focus only on brands [12:13] the_janitor classic example with the electronics shops of false scarcity - they were owned all by the same company with no genuine competitiveness and this was in the 90's. [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 rc components [12:14] schestowitz-TR2 the upside is, there are extensive visual catalogues [12:14] the_janitor so it's all been happening for a long time in various ways. [12:14] the_janitor science is funded by oligarchs and is fully corrupted - same patterns. [12:15] the_janitor but cognitive dissoance that somewhere it's not and it's okay to believe whatever said by whomever. [12:15] the_janitor no awareness of "the long con" [12:15] the_janitor people need more street smarts - they'd fall for things a hell of a lot less. [12:16] the_janitor like the [gnu]linux trick. [12:18] *activelow (~activelow@4wr2j48cc8cmq.irc) has joined #techrights [12:18] the_janitor https://www.youtube.com/embed/Fy5mCyRCl1k [12:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTube [12:19] the_janitor this guy had some great points about what was happening at the time but because of how he framed it folks didn't want to know - it doesn't matter how accurate and full of truth when folks don't like the framing. [12:19] the_janitor funny how that works. :) [12:20] the_janitor it's an interesting war: the masses have allowed to happen, just like spam mail, what is coming down now. how do we educate them but also hold back the criminal activities of the globalists? [12:21] the_janitor oligarchs if you will. [12:21] the_janitor there's a massive psychological manipulation component literally underwriting all of this. [12:22] GNUmoon2 schestowitz: "some people equate salary with wisdom". Sadly most people believe wealth / salary are equal to merit / human worth thanks to 100's of years of propaganda. [12:23] the_janitor amen. [12:24] schestowitz-TR2 true [12:24] schestowitz-TR2 even dumber people believe that [12:24] techrights-news Firefox 93 Disables Triple DES and Doesnt Mention #NSA Backdoors. Windows 11 Continues Degrading VPNs With It If They Use the Native APIs. http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/windows-nsa/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/windows-nsa/ [12:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Firefox 93 Disables Triple DES and Doesnt Mention NSA Backdoors. Windows 11 Continues Degrading VPNs With It If They Use the Native APIs. | Techrights [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 like saying how good a vehicle is based on its net weight [12:25] GNUmoon2 If you are poor, it's your own fault because you are lazy, dumb or just not a good person. [12:25] the_janitor yep, i've been told that my entire life. [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 smart enopugh people know life is temporary [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 and hoarding lots of money can be pointless [12:25] schestowitz-TR2 you need not hoard more than you can feasibly use to keep happy [12:26] schestowitz-TR2 and happiness comes from freedom partly [12:26] schestowitz-TR2 not being stressed or bossed [12:26] schestowitz-TR2 stress kills easrly [12:26] schestowitz-TR2 apropos steve jobs [12:26] schestowitz-TR2 or paul allen [12:26] schestowitz-TR2 I hope they enjoy their money 'down under' [12:29] activelow apropos DES, triple or none... it is a lie this wasn't secure; block ciphers are weakened by their block mode of operation and block key generation [12:29] activelow or, to rephrase this, i would feel brave enough to encrypt with xor, if the block mode of operation and block key hashing is strong [12:30] *m___ (~Adium@ph4anndkq8npe.irc) has joined #techrights [12:30] activelow insofar, all the "news" RC4 or DES or whatever where weak, it is a distraction from the real issues [12:31] GNUmoon2 schestowitz: "stress kills easily" just been heard about that, stress causes increased expression in genes related to inflammation. Leading to increased prevalence of heart attacks, cancer, etc. [12:31] activelow were [12:33] techrights-news Developer of the Better App, Which Provides a Content Blocker for Safari, Considers Quitting Due to #Apple s Plans to Invade Users #Privacy With #CSAM Scanner. http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/apple-csam-scanner/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/apple-csam-scanner/ [12:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Developer of the Better App, Which Provides a Content Blocker for Safari, Considers Quitting Due to Apples Plans to Invade Users Privacy With CSAM Scanner. | Techrights [12:34] schestowitz-TR2 GNUmoon2: weakens the immune syetem [12:34] schestowitz-TR2 lesser stressed people get ill less frequently [12:34] schestowitz-TR2 but you could argue that more stressed people also eat less healthily [12:34] schestowitz-TR2 because of status [12:34] schestowitz-TR2 but if you isolate that as a factor [12:35] schestowitz-TR2 you may still find that stressed people develop health issues [12:35] schestowitz-TR2 their money cannot always compensate for it (medical treatments|) [12:35] GNUmoon2 yep. It's normal for short periods during fight-or-flight responses. However, it's toxic if someone is in constant stress. [12:36] schestowitz-TR2 I found that stress changes gut patterns [12:36] schestowitz-TR2 I think it's an evolutionary defend system [12:36] schestowitz-TR2 or adrenaline rushes, rage.. [12:36] schestowitz-TR2 they're only useful temporarily [12:36] schestowitz-TR2 I'm told Steve Jobs, for example, had lots of rage and stress [12:37] schestowitz-TR2 Recently the media reported that Gates had fainted [12:37] GNUmoon2 This looks interesting, also has references to other research. https://www.pnas.org/content/110/41/16574 [12:37] altlink_051 pnas.org is Cloudflare domain. [12:37] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pnas.org/content/110/41/16574 [12:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pnas.org | Social stress up-regulates inflammatory gene expression in the leukocyte transcriptome via -adrenergic induction of myelopoiesis | PNAS [12:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Social stress up-regulates inflammatory gene expression in the leukocyte transcriptome via -adrenergic induction of myelopoiesis | PNAS [12:37] schestowitz-TR2 when people in the media reported about his Epstein connections [12:37] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@n38aa2y6qw87e.irc) has joined #techrights [12:37] schestowitz-TR2 I just use those two examples [12:37] schestowitz-TR2 as we were discussing related areas [12:37] schestowitz-TR2 not because those two sociopaths are gods or anything [12:40] the_janitor all this talk about stress and gut and immune systems - i can attest to it all personally. my life of abject poverty is proof positive that stress destroys and kills. [12:40] GNUmoon2 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5641835/ [12:40] altlink_051 nih.gov is Cloudflare domain. [12:40] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5641835/ [12:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov | Gut microbiotas effect on mental health: The gut-brain axis [12:40] the_janitor i don't get to talk about it in abstract terms, i just live it every moment. [12:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | NCBI - WWW Error Blocked Diagnostic [12:40] the_janitor it's a miracle i'm still alive. [12:40] the_janitor i don't use that word lightly. [12:40] *activelow grabs a cigarette [12:41] activelow what a joy [12:41] GNUmoon2 the_janitor: sorry to hear that. I hope you are keeping well. [12:41] the_janitor GNUmoon2: cheers - i'm just subsisting but i do my best. all the best to you. [12:41] the_janitor wouldn't wish this on anybody on the oligarchs. [12:41] the_janitor s/on/but/ [12:42] GNUmoon2 Most people don't have a clue what's happening or why. But they do know they have to blame immigrants, single parents and Russia :) [12:42] the_janitor yep, all the distractions. amen to that. [12:42] the_janitor i always ask folks "why aren't you blaming the politicians and the political system?" crickets. [12:43] the_janitor it's like they can't see anything abstract - only what's literally in front of their eyes. [12:43] the_janitor so they go and attack what's in front of their eyes rather than the puppet masters. [12:43] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: gm [12:43] DaemonFC Morning [12:44] DaemonFC Trying to figure out numlock in GNOME. [12:44] schestowitz-TR2 you left out the bit about salariesa [12:44] schestowitz-TR2 and layoffs [12:44] GNUmoon2 the_janitor: "why aren't you blaming the politicians and the political system?" exactly. Or better yet, corporations or oligarchs. [12:44] DaemonFC Seems it doesn't work with its own "remember NumLock status" setting. [12:44] the_janitor schestowitz-TR2: i don't really leave anything out - thing is there's too much to cover. :) [12:44] schestowitz-TR2 also, are those mint spins coming with vivaldi? [12:44] schestowitz-TR2 or just monjaro/arch? [12:44] GNUmoon2 * corporations, billions or [12:44] schestowitz-TR2 *manjaro [12:44] the_janitor GNUmoon2: yep i bring them up all the damn time but again crickets. [12:45] DaemonFC Oh crap. [12:45] DaemonFC I goofed. [12:45] GNUmoon2 the_janitor: yep, I get crickets too. [12:45] the_janitor GNUmoon2: yep. i guess that's why we ended up here. :D [12:46] schestowitz-TR2 there are some other points left out [12:46] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, This is why I shouldn't post while I'm tired. [12:46] DaemonFC I fixed that. [12:46] schestowitz-TR2 and might be nice to add [12:46] GNUmoon2 the_janitor: Yes [12:46] schestowitz-TR2 but I lost track of them all while I read because ideas pop up in my head [12:46] DaemonFC Firefox is getting damned annoying. [12:47] schestowitz-TR2 aside for their lies about "privacy" [12:47] schestowitz-TR2 did you mention (maybe next post/article|) [12:47] schestowitz-TR2 1) in 2014 they had Microsoft keylogger [12:47] schestowitz-TR2 2) they now experiment doing the same [12:47] schestowitz-TR2 january 2022 likely to be decision time [12:47] schestowitz-TR2 or maybe they play hard to get with Google [12:47] schestowitz-TR2 to up the sum [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 maybe we need a wiki page [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 reasons to avoid firefox [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 then list/enumerate with links [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 it can be effective, like our pages about Mono and DDG [12:48] schestowitz-TR2 Mozilla "diversity" is a fig leaf [12:49] schestowitz-TR2 they try to distract from the real scandal [12:49] schestowitz-TR2 like mister robot or whatever [12:49] schestowitz-TR2 all thos privacy gaffes [12:49] schestowitz-TR2 then people attack them over politics [12:49] schestowitz-TR2 and they say, "SEE? People who hate us are just bigots" [12:49] schestowitz-TR2 same spiel as Big Blue IBM [12:49] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:50] DaemonFC https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/kubuntu.impish/desktop.minimal-remove [12:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring. [12:51] schestowitz-TR2 "" [12:51] schestowitz[TR] "When Ubuntu briefly implemented a keylogger that sent your Shell searches to Amazon in their now-abandoned Unity Shell, Richard Stallman called Ubuntu malware.' [12:51] schestowitz[TR] After I had asked him to :-) [12:51] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:51] the_janitor schestowitz-TR2: alert techrights-ipfs-bot [~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc] has quit [Ping timeout: 2m30s] [12:51] *activelow (~activelow@uq8vqszfv73ew.irc) has joined #techrights [12:51] schestowitz-TR2 the_janitor: it will recover [12:52] schestowitz-TR2 it runs a recovery script several times per day [12:52] the_janitor schestowitz-TR2: i saw there were some tech issues ealier and things hadn't fully recovered until you had to come manually fix them so i was concerned. thanks for heads up. [12:53] schestowitz-TR2 I've just run it manually [12:53] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [12:53] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: well done checking the latest firefox build [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 this is important [12:54] the_janitor okay wasn't sure if something had stopped working fully. [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 it'll encourage users to pressure them to remove the keylogger [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 or turn off by default [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 surely they will say it was 'accident' [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 another 'gaffe' [12:54] schestowitz-TR2 like sending or relaying DNS from your ISP in your country to Pentagon ClownFlare [12:54] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, "As an aside, Mozilla is also considering changing the default search engine to Bing. [12:54] DaemonFC Every few years, they come in and decide which crappy privacy-violating mess with worse search results than Google to switch all their users to as part of a cynical ploy to ultimately get Google back to the table for more money. [12:54] DaemonFC Microsoft has never offered any browser vendor more money than Google, which is whyGoogle is the default search engine on almost every browser, and the iPhone/Safari, even though Apple pretends theyre bitter enemies (over 60% of Apple iOS apps have Google tracking libraries in them). [12:54] DaemonFC Im not a big fan of Google, but Bing is much worse. Instead of Google violating your privacy, it will be Microsoft, and then the search results often wont even be usable." [12:55] schestowitz-TR2 where do I merge it in? [12:55] DaemonFC errr [12:55] DaemonFC "whyGoogle" [12:55] DaemonFC need to fix that now... [12:55] schestowitz-TR2 ok, I already edit a copy from 20 mins ago [12:55] schestowitz-TR2 we don't version-control the text [12:56] schestowitz[TR] "Its bad enough that Fedora chucked its own Free Software policy out the door when IBM took them over, and started pushing Zoom, Microsoft Teams, and Microsoft Edge. " [12:56] schestowitz[TR] LOL [12:56] schestowitz[TR] DID they? [12:56] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:56] DaemonFC "When will Mozilla learn to stop manipulating its remaining users? Never?" [12:56] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Refresh. [12:56] DaemonFC I added the Bing stuff to the bottom. [12:56] the_janitor i'm trying to jump ship from firefox right now. [12:56] the_janitor i wanted to years ago but couldn't find anything. [12:57] the_janitor now i'm desperate. [12:57] DaemonFC "Its bad enough that Fedora chucked its own Free Software policy out the door when IBM took them over, and started pushing Zoom, Microsoft Teams, and Microsoft Edge. " [12:57] the_janitor i'm the demographic you are talking about. [12:57] DaemonFC Fedora now ships a "filtered" Flathub repo full of proprietary software. [12:57] the_janitor nobody is going to want to run to netsurf even though it's great for a start. [12:57] DaemonFC The only exclusions are things that may be legally dangerous for Red Hat to recommend. [12:57] schestowitz-TR2 flatpak and snaps are about proprietary "apps" [12:57] schestowitz-TR2 pushing them in as binaries [12:58] the_janitor we shun them here in this home. [12:58] schestowitz-TR2 good [12:58] schestowitz-TR2 an act of resistance [12:58] schestowitz-TR2 it'll get worse [12:58] the_janitor we are elements of resistance. [12:58] the_janitor i know. :/ [12:58] schestowitz-TR2 now they want a centralised "signature" mill [12:59] schestowitz-TR2 where they get to tell you what you can and cannot run in 'Linux' [12:59] the_janitor ursula von der leyden was talking about a digital ID just so you can get online. [12:59] the_janitor if that happens what do you think a lot of folks will do? [12:59] activelow sorry, seems i was in error, netsurf too claims to support html5, not sure about video someone had asked me about [12:59] the_janitor activelow: oh i didn't see you post on the html5 part. i just assumed that would work there. ● Oct 12 [13:00] activelow just wanted to correct an error if i had made any, didn't mean to interrupt the conversation [13:00] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: "Well, I what I suggest" [13:00] schestowitz[TR] typo [13:00] the_janitor damn, everything needs js. [13:01] the_janitor ah i'll stop making noise in here as well apologies. [13:02] DaemonFC Crap [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 added missing paras at the end [13:02] DaemonFC Fixed. [13:03] schestowitz-TR2 remove the "what" [13:03] schestowitz-TR2 or add "is" [13:03] schestowitz[TR] Well, what I suggest is that Mozilla CEO Mitchell Baker does with Firefox Suggest and Pocket is probably anatomically impossible, but thats outside the scope of this post. [13:04] the_janitor What I suggest Mozilla CEO Mitchell Baker does with Firefox Suggest and Pocket is probably anatomically impossible, but thats outside the scope of this post. [13:05] DaemonFC Installing Kubuntu 21.10 on the old laptop. [13:05] DaemonFC I took the Minimal option because KDE has a lot of bloatware that few people are going to use. [13:06] schestowitz-TR2 maybe a couple of years from now Baker can still make $3 million a year selling a book about how "cancel culture" finished her carreer [13:06] DaemonFC Akonadi and KDE PIM in particular don't work well and use a lot of resources and clutter things up. [13:06] schestowitz-TR2 co-edited with Brendan Eich [13:06] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: I always kill all akonadi processes [13:07] schestowitz-TR2 if you use kmail, it will start or restart them [13:07] schestowitz-TR2 they're just a drag [13:07] DaemonFC It's nice that Kubuntu includes that post-install script where they figured out where all the junk is. Not everything is something you don't want. [13:07] techrights-news #Mozilla #Firefox Takes Another Step in the Direction of Being Malware With Firefox Suggest http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/mozilla-firefox-became-spyware/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/mozilla-firefox-became-spyware/ [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Firefox Takes Another Step in the Direction of Being Malware With Firefox Suggest | Techrights [13:07] DaemonFC But you can put back just the applications you like later. [13:08] *CParadoxum_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:08] *schestowitz-TR2 gemifying the articles now [13:08] schestowitz-TR2 oh, wow [13:08] schestowitz[TR] "16' class='wp-smiley emoji' draggable='false' alt=':/' src='https://s0.wp.com/" [13:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://s0.wp.com/ ) [13:08] schestowitz[TR] wordpress serves images for emojis [13:08] schestowitz[TR] instead of letting the client side use some, if any [13:09] psydruid Akonadi and KDE PIM should just be killed and removed [13:09] schestowitz[TR] :/ [13:09] psydruid I've never used them and never will [13:10] schestowitz-TR2 it's not even valid xhtml [13:10] schestowitz-TR2 psydruid: they even run a DATABASE [13:10] schestowitz-TR2 your KDE system uses mysql iirc [13:10] schestowitz-TR2 for that thing you do not even use [13:11] schestowitz-TR2 CTRL+ESC [13:11] schestowitz-TR2 "ako" [13:11] schestowitz-TR2 ctrl+a, "End process" [13:11] schestowitz-TR2 they all die until or unless you open the applications few people bother using [13:11] psydruid i should check it when I get on that laptop [13:11] schestowitz-TR2 that used to be with nepomuk or whatever, I forgot the spelling [13:11] schestowitz-TR2 it gave me hell in old KDE [13:12] schestowitz-TR2 using up all the system's resources for data [13:12] schestowitz-TR2 before I tracked down this culprit [13:12] schestowitz-TR2 the only thing I enjoyed back then was force-killing it [13:13] psydruid it's the only one I use KDE Plasma on as it handles multiple screens decently compared to XFCE, MATE or Cinnamon [13:13] psydruid Yes, Nepomuk was a disaster too [13:13] *m___ has quit (connection closed) [13:13] psydruid And these days you have something called Baloo [13:13] psydruid Tracker on GNOME [13:14] psydruid I don't know why they force these things onto people [13:14] the_janitor control. [13:14] psydruid If I want such a thing, I will enable it myself [13:14] schestowitz[TR] my kde has tracker also [13:14] schestowitz[TR] maybe flatpak brought it? [13:15] psydruid I honestly don't know where these things are coming from anymore [13:15] schestowitz-TR2 they ask us to buy new machinex [13:15] schestowitz-TR2 expensive machines [13:15] schestowitz-TR2 throw the old ones [13:15] psydruid but I know I won't run KDE on any lower-end hardware, as it's just too slow [13:15] schestowitz-TR2 to use SOMEONE ELSE'S programs [13:15] schestowitz-TR2 that spy and mine data [13:15] schestowitz-TR2 like WIndows [13:15] psydruid here MATE is just the last step before I switch to a window manager [13:15] schestowitz-TR2 why doesn't Microsoft ship machines to people free of charge? [13:16] schestowitz-TR2 it controls these machines anyway [13:16] psydruid everything else is more bloated and slower [13:16] schestowitz-TR2 like spy meters and BT Home Spies [13:16] schestowitz-TR2 Now it's "Smart" Spy II [13:16] psydruid they want you to pay but want to retain control [13:16] schestowitz-TR2 it rebooted on its own last night [13:16] psydruid they can't have it both ways [13:16] schestowitz-TR2 after a silent firmware update yesterday evening [13:17] psydruid I can use Vista, but you'll have to pay me a lot of money for it [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 techrights gemini capsule was down 4+ hours as a result [13:17] psydruid and it will never be used at home [13:17] schestowitz-TR2 a device in our home, remotely controlled by BT [13:18] schestowitz-TR2 at least they don't yet have microphones and cameras [13:18] psydruid for a few jobs I had to use Vista, but then I just ran whatever software was needed for the job on it and the rest in a VM with GNU/Linux [13:18] schestowitz-TR2 they might use "Smart" 'assistant" to peddle those [13:18] schestowitz-TR2 like so-called smart TVs [13:18] *m___ (~Adium@ph4anndkq8npe.irc) has joined #techrights [13:18] schestowitz-TR2 then you go openwrt [13:18] schestowitz-TR2 and then say, NO! No service! [13:18] schestowitz-TR2 so basically, no home connection [13:18] psydruid so I never actually experienced the various ways in which Vista messed up, because I was only using like 5% of its (dis)functionality [13:19] schestowitz-TR2 unless you consent to CCTV and state-connected microphones inside your home [13:19] schestowitz-TR2 maybe 5 years from now [13:19] psydruid welcome to a brave new world! [13:19] schestowitz-TR2 for your safety! [13:19] schestowitz-TR2 there's a "virus" out there [13:19] schestowitz-TR2 "I know, I know [13:19] schestowitz-TR2 Alexander Johnson [13:19] schestowitz-TR2 he gave us brexit [13:20] schestowitz-TR2 instead of petrol [13:20] schestowitz-TR2 he gave covid freedom to spread back in july [13:20] schestowitz-TR2 covid enjoys this freedom [13:20] schestowitz-TR2 1:20pm here [13:20] schestowitz-TR2 at 4pm we'll see home many "freedoms" covid found today [13:20] schestowitz-TR2 roughly 40k I reckon [13:20] schestowitz-TR2 "what doesn't kill you make you stronger" [13:21] schestowitz-TR2 "FREEDOM1" [13:21] schestowitz-TR2 covid can infect you half a dozen times [13:21] schestowitz-TR2 until it does in fact kill you or leaves you permanently disable [13:21] schestowitz-TR2 *led [13:21] schestowitz-TR2 in the US, this celeb called "Fedora Guy" was left disabled by COVID [13:21] schestowitz-TR2 he's only about 30 [13:21] schestowitz-TR2 obesity contributed to this [13:22] psydruid so far it's been one serious case lasting two months for me and then two "vaccines" messed me up for several more weeks [13:22] gustaf https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58876089 [13:22] altlink_051 bbc.com is Cloudflare domain. [13:22] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58876089 [13:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Covid: UK's early response worst public health failure ever, MPs say - BBC News [13:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Covid: UK's early response worst public health failure ever, MPs say - BBC News [13:22] schestowitz-TR2 Over 10 years ago RMS predicted "Smart" microwaves [13:22] schestowitz-TR2 he was right [13:22] schestowitz-TR2 but ridiculed for it back then [13:23] gustaf the recent Let's Encrypt root CA change revealed that ~8yr old "smart" TVs won't work with TLS [13:23] *CParadoxum_ (~quassel@m4gsqtdgyy73q.irc) has joined #techrights [13:23] gustaf because no-one is bothering to update them [13:23] schestowitz-TR2 gustaf: or the computer I type from right now [13:24] schestowitz-TR2 I had to delete tons of things to stop the constant nagging [13:24] gustaf and that;s just hte first of a number of root CA expirations [13:24] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [13:24] schestowitz-TR2 it's also a design mistake [13:24] schestowitz-TR2 'security' where certs expire without any consideration given to firewalled devices that can otherwise become broken windows [13:25] gustaf PKI is hard, man [13:25] schestowitz-TR2 planned obsolescene by FAKE security [13:25] schestowitz-TR2 gustaf: it's hard [13:25] psydruid not shipping source code and making it easy to replace whatever is running on your device should be considered a crime [13:25] schestowitz-TR2 which makes it worse [13:25] schestowitz-TR2 raises access barrier [13:25] schestowitz-TR2 less self-hosting [13:25] schestowitz-TR2 more centralisation [13:25] schestowitz-TR2 and more breaches as a result [13:25] gustaf psydruid: why? planned obsolescense ;) [13:25] schestowitz-TR2 bigger breaches each time [13:25] gustaf mo' money [13:25] schestowitz-TR2 like 2-billion headcount breaches [13:26] schestowitz-TR2 gustaf: when people start eating people they stop caring much about man-made "money" [13:26] schestowitz-TR2 there are many reports lately of water shortages [13:26] schestowitz-TR2 in almost every continent [13:26] schestowitz-TR2 I hardly saw such reports 10-20 years ago [13:26] *activelow (~activelow@vf9uspfbqtzpu.irc) has joined #techrights [13:26] schestowitz-TR2 EVEN HERE IN MANCHESTER [13:27] schestowitz-TR2 we get alarming emails each week [13:27] schestowitz-TR2 that water is running low [13:27] schestowitz-TR2 like half what it should be this time of year [13:28] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [13:29] *m___ (~Adium@ph4anndkq8npe.irc) has joined #techrights [13:30] GNUmoon2 schestowitz: might be of interest: https://grain.org/en/article/6690-how-the-gates-foundation-is-driving-the-food-system-in-the-wrong-direction [13:30] altlink_051 grain.org is Cloudflare domain. [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://grain.org/en/article/6690-how-the-gates-foundation-is-driving-the-food-system-in-the-wrong-direction ) [13:30] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://grain.org/en/article/6690-how-the-gates-foundation-is-driving-the-food-system-in-the-wrong-direction [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | GRAIN | How the Gates Foundation is driving the food system, in the wrong direction [13:30] schestowitz-TR2 GNUmoon2: we covered it many times [13:30] DaemonFC Well, Kubuntu 21.10 is pretty nice. [13:30] schestowitz-TR2 over a decade ago [13:30] DaemonFC The Wayland session seems to work. [13:30] techrights-news Powerful Linux laptop RTX 3080 Kubuntu Focus Gen 3 M2 workstation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156690 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Powerful Linux laptop RTX 3080 Kubuntu Focus Gen 3 M2 workstation | Tux Machines [13:30] *aprates has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.3) [13:31] GNUmoon2 schestowitz: I had a search through techrights, but I could not find a link for it, so I posted here. [13:31] *m___ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:32] GNUmoon2 Just for a reference. [13:32] schestowitz-TR2 thanks, I'll share [13:33] techrights-news #Top 5 Most Stable Linux Distributions in 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156691 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 5 Most Stable Linux Distributions in 2021 | Tux Machines [13:35] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, I may review Kubuntu later. [13:35] gustaf 80 more deaths until 15K deaths here in Sweden [13:35] DaemonFC It seems to be a better option than KDE on Debian. [13:35] gustaf last round 1,000 was in Apr 24 [13:36] schestowitz[TR] you use masks [13:36] schestowitz[TR] unlike the covidiots here? [13:36] gustaf not any more , all restrictions lifted since 2 weeks back [13:36] gustaf but I still see people wearing them [13:37] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], No masks are a big problem there? [13:37] techrights-news [Older] How the #GatesFoundation is driving the food system, in the wrong direction https://grain.org/en/article/6690-how-the-gates-foundation-is-driving-the-food-system-in-the-wrong-direction criminal foundation http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2021 [13:37] altlink_051 grain.org is Cloudflare domain. 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[13:40] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/helping-to-keep-your-game-library-tidy-lutris-059-is-out-supporting-epic-games-store [13:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Helping to keep your game library tidy Lutris 0.5.9 is out supporting Epic Games Store | GamingOnLinux [13:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/helping-to-keep-your-game-library-tidy-lutris-059-is-out-supporting-epic-games-store ) [13:50] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [13:50] *activelow (~activelow@yaf5revuadim4.irc) has joined #techrights [13:50] techrights-news Till Jaeger +++ Youth Hacking 4 Freedom +++ SFScon 2021 https://fsfe.org/news/nl/nl-202110.en.html free labour or #slavery for corporate PR https://danielpocock.com/google-fsfe-child-labor/ [13:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | Till Jaeger +++ Youth Hacking 4 Freedom +++ SFScon 2021 - FSFE [13:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfellowship.eu | Google, FSFE & Child labor [13:53] techrights-news Ankush Das should really know better than to participate in #microsoft #googlebombing attack against #gnu #linux (also, #wsl is NOT FOSS). #itsfoss [13:55] techrights-news Don't help #microsoft attack #gnu #linux ... that is EXACTLY what #wsl2 functions as and you're not helping anybody but Microsoft when you give it publicity http://techrights.org/2021/10/05/microsoft-puff-pieces/ [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Edge on Linux Puff Pieces and WSL2 Fake Linux | Techrights [13:55] techrights-news xkcd: New #NobelPrizes https://xkcd.com/2527/ #xkcd [13:55] altlink_051 xkcd.com is Cloudflare domain. [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: New Nobel Prizes [13:55] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2527/ [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | xkcd: New Nobel Prizes [13:59] techrights-news You're dreaming, Richard. Just because #biden is "not Trump" doesn't mean he'll put down the military-industrial complex https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#11_October_2021_%28Urgent%3A_US_citizens%3A_urge_Biden_to_move_for_the_elimination_of_nuclear_weapons%29 [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman ● Oct 12 [14:00] techrights-news The developer of the Better app may quit and remove the app from the #Apple store due to Apples #privacy violations. http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/apple-csam-scanner/ [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Developer of the Better App, Which Provides a Content Blocker for Safari, Considers Quitting Due to Apples Plans to Invade Users Privacy With CSAM Scanner. | Techrights [14:01] techrights-news Yesterday I was surfing the web when I found out that #LKML , a centralized place to see whats going on in #Linux #kernel development, was attempting to load an ad script from a company called #BuySellAds dot com http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/mozilla-firefox-became-spyware/ [14:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Firefox Takes Another Step in the Direction of Being Malware With Firefox Suggest | Techrights [14:02] techrights-news Child labout and PR for Google? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156475#comment-31344 [14:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google, FSFE & Child labor | Tux Machines [14:04] techrights-news This should be based on skills and experience, not quotas based upon skin colour https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19640686.lack-black-councillors-middlesbough/ [14:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenorthernecho.co.uk | Lack of black councillors in Middlesbough | The Northern Echo [14:05] techrights-news Sad but not shocking to see #CNXSoftware helping #microsoft with #googlebombing of #linux ... as they already take sponsorships to push Windows #malware every now and then :/ [14:07] techrights-news #microsoft INNOVA~1: we make even PENS not work. https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/surface-pen-not-writing/ [14:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | How to fix Surface Pen not writing on Surface Tablet [14:08] the_janitor a question to all of my new, tech savvy camarades: how the hell do i set feh to work inside of lynx? [14:08] the_janitor search results are bunk. [14:08] schestowitz-TR2 feh the wallpaper tool? [14:08] schestowitz-TR2 lynx is CLI software [14:09] schestowitz-TR2 feh will run in the canvas [14:09] schestowitz-TR2 kde, openbox etc. [14:09] the_janitor feh is an image viewer but yeah i should be able to set feh inside the lynx cfg file so that when i hit an image link it opens inside of feh but the way to do that is insanely archane and beyond my savvy. [14:10] schestowitz[TR] feh --bg-fill --randomize /media/roy/c3fd5b6e-794f-4f24-b3e7-b4ead3722f11/home/roy/Main/Graphics/Wallpapers/Single\ Head/natgeo/* & [14:10] schestowitz[TR] to use one example [14:11] the_janitor in the lynx cfg?! [14:11] schestowitz[TR] no idea [14:11] schestowitz[TR] you can run lynx in konsole [14:11] schestowitz[TR] and set console to use background picture [14:12] the_janitor righto cheers. [14:13] schestowitz-TR2 does techrights look ok in lynx? [14:13] schestowitz-TR2 I've not tried in ages [14:13] the_janitor will give that a try now :) [14:14] techrights-news #wsl2 is an awful "product". Stop spamming it for #microsoft ... leave that to the Microsoft paid-for propaganda sites of Microsoft. Even the #WSL devs are deserting. http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/the-death-of-wsl-and-wsl2/ [14:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Death of WSL and WSL2 | Techrights [14:15] the_janitor schestowitz-TR2: it's grand - easily readable even for somebody with dyslexia. [14:15] techrights-news 2020: Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use #WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/ [14:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | Techrights [14:18] techrights-news Those are #GNU programs (many of them). They're not "LINUX" at all. https://linuxconfig.org/linux-commands-cheat-sheet [14:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://linuxconfig.org/linux-commands-cheat-sheet ) [14:18] altlink_051 linuxconfig.org is Cloudflare domain. [14:18] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxconfig.org/linux-commands-cheat-sheet [14:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxconfig.org/linux-commands-cheat-sheet ) [14:19] *m___ (~Adium@ph4anndkq8npe.irc) has joined #techrights [14:20] techrights-news #redhat #ibm outsourcing code to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly again https://opensource.com/article/21/10/linux-timers [14:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Create a timer on Linux | Opensource.com [14:22] techrights-news #Debian 11.1 Bullseye and 10.11 Buster Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156601#comment-31345 [14:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux 11.1 "Bullseye" Released with 24 Security Updates and 75 Bug Fixes | Tux Machines [14:25] techrights-news Just added Update #3: The latest #Microsoft reputation laundering by #MicrosoftTim this week. http://techrights.org/2021/10/10/microsoft-stealing/ #theregister #deletegithub #plunder http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [14:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft GitHub is for Theft by Microsoft (Stealing Other Peoples Work) | Techrights [14:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [14:27] techrights-news " #Mozilla disappoints again, a beacon of hope in the mobile world, whether the future of the Internet really is a dystopian nightmare, and the usual #KDE goodness in the Korner." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-146/ #gnu #linux [14:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latenightlinux.com | Late Night Linux Episode 146 Late Night Linux [14:29] techrights-news "Most of the Emacs integrated environment is written in the #programming language called #Emacs #Lisp ." https://www.linuxlinks.com/excellent-free-tutorials-learn-emacs-lisp/ [14:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Excellent Free Tutorials to Learn Emacs Lisp - LinuxLinks [14:30] techrights-news #Games: Proton Experimental, Lutris, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156692 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Proton Experimental, Lutris, and More | Tux Machines [14:30] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156693 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [14:33] techrights-news Come on, Red Hat, IBM killed people, not only jobs https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/automation-kill-job #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Attacking_Communities.2FVolunteers [14:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Will IT automation kill my job? | Enable Sysadmin [14:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights [14:34] techrights-news #ibm should know this because there's a major staff #exodus inside IBM and even #redhat https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/10/it-careers-great-resignation-14-statistics [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | The great resignation: 14 stats on the state of the IT career market | The Enterprisers Project [14:34] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:34] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:35] *ybaumy4 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:35] *ybaumy4 (~ybaumy@ecdcuc322augq.irc) has joined #techrights [14:35] techrights-news #Fatdog64 811 works real nice https://bkhome.org/news/202110/fatdog64-811-works-real-nice.html #bkhome #gnu #linux #puppylinux [14:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Fatdog64 811 works real nice [14:37] techrights-news Ha! Coming from #ibm #redhat which imposes #proprietarySoftware #surveillance like #slack on workers who are home. Why not rootkit them, too? https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/10/12/tools-and-practices-remote-development-teams [14:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Tools and practices for remote development teams | Red Hat Developer [14:38] techrights-news #redhat is already Bluewashed and that's why many people are leaving. They also don't want to wait for #ibm to formally lay them off... [14:44] techrights-news #Linux Developers Push Urgent Patches... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156632#comment-31346 [14:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: NVDEC and x86 | Tux Machines [14:47] techrights-news #Python Takes First Place in #TIOBE Programming Languages Ranking - itsfoss.net https://www.itsfoss.net/python-takes-first-place-in-tiobe-programming-languages-ranking/ #Programming [14:47] altlink_051 itsfoss.net is Cloudflare domain. [14:47] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.itsfoss.net/python-takes-first-place-in-tiobe-programming-languages-ranking/ [14:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Python Takes First Place in TIOBE Programming Languages Ranking - itsfoss.net [14:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.itsfoss.net/python-takes-first-place-in-tiobe-programming-languages-ranking/ ) [14:49] techrights-news #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156694 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [14:50] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [14:50] techrights-news #Qubes OS 4.1-rc1 has been released! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156695 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qubes OS 4.1-rc1 has been released! | Tux Machines [14:50] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/2110048 [14:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5905736) [14:50] techrights-news #RaspberryPi Minitel Project Adds Portability to Retro Computer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156696 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi Minitel Project Adds Portability to Retro Computer | Tux Machines [14:52] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/11/hungarian-style-soft-fascism-is-the-gops-ruthless-new-brand/ [14:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hungarian-Style Soft Fascism is the GOPs Ruthless New Brand - CounterPunch.org [14:52] techrights-news #sony and #gplcompliance https://www.itsfoss.net/sony-accelerates-on-opensource-and-linux-in-particular/ [14:52] altlink_051 itsfoss.net is Cloudflare domain. [14:52] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.itsfoss.net/sony-accelerates-on-opensource-and-linux-in-particular/ [14:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sony accelerates on OpenSource and Linux in particular - itsfoss.net [14:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20211012135248/https://www.itsfoss.net/sony-accelerates-on-opensource-and-linux-in-particular/ ) [14:54] MinceR schestowitz[TR]: i just finished reading it [14:55] techrights-news Linux #x86 FPU Code Getting Reworked In Preparation For Intel AMX - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-FPU-Cleaning-For-AMX #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [14:55] altlink_051 phoronix.com is Cloudflare domain. [14:55] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-FPU-Cleaning-For-AMX [14:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux x86 FPU Code Getting Reworked In Preparation For Intel AMX - Phoronix [14:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Linux x86 FPU Code Getting Reworked In Preparation For Intel AMX - Phoronix [14:56] techrights-news #Intel Posts Latest DG2/Alchemist Linux Patches In Requiring 64K Page Size Handling - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-DG2-64k-Pages-Flat-CCS #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [14:56] altlink_051 phoronix.com is Cloudflare domain. [14:56] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-DG2-64k-Pages-Flat-CCS [14:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Posts Latest DG2/Alchemist Linux Patches In Requiring 64K Page Size Handling - Phoronix [14:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Intel Posts Latest DG2/Alchemist Linux Patches In Requiring 64K Page Size Handling - Phoronix [14:59] techrights-news #Gnome 40: A Look Into the Upgraded Desktop Environment http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156697 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gnome 40: A Look Into the Upgraded Desktop Environment | Tux Machines ● Oct 12 [15:00] techrights-news Automate image processing with this Bash script | https://opensource.com/article/21/10/image-processing-bash-script #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux [15:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Automate image processing with this Bash script | Opensource.com [15:01] techrights-news "We're wrapping up another great week with the following activities from the #Apache community..." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-news-round-up247 [15:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | The Apache News Round-up: week ending 8 October 2021 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog [15:01] techrights-news #Intel Tiger Lake Performance Across Five Autumn 2021 Linux Distributions http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156698 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #benchmark [15:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel Tiger Lake Performance Across Five Autumn 2021 Linux Distributions | Tux Machines [15:03] techrights-news #Rakudo Weekly News: 2021.41 Different Patterns https://rakudoweekly.blog/2021/10/11/2021-41-different-patterns/ #rakulang #programming [15:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rakudoweekly.blog | 2021.41 Different Patterns Rakudo Weekly News [15:03] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@swdc7insvgbjg.irc) has joined #techrights [15:03] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, Both my laptops run Kubuntu 21.10 fine. [15:03] schestowitz-TR2 should be [15:03] DaemonFC The KDE Wayland session even works properly. [15:03] schestowitz-TR2 and you know how to configure the router [15:03] DaemonFC Debian 11's KDE just isn't where it needs to be on that. [15:04] schestowitz-TR2 wayland is not compatible with many things I do [15:04] schestowitz-TR2 so IBM and Intel are just messing about and breaking things [15:04] schestowitz-TR2 Debian 11 is x11 [15:04] schestowitz-TR2 or xorg/xserver [15:04] schestowitz-TR2 you try to make it do something it's not trying to [15:04] DaemonFC Nonetheless, KDE stopped bothering to fix issues with the KWin on X11 session. [15:05] DaemonFC Debian 11 uses Wayland on the GNOME edition. [15:05] schestowitz-TR2 works fine for me in Debian 11 [15:05] schestowitz-TR2 *10 [15:05] schestowitz-TR2 so Debian 11 becomes more like an LTS Fedora clone [15:05] schestowitz-TR2 at least we have alternatives ready [15:05] DaemonFC I think that either Debian 11 or Ubuntu 21.10 should work fine with GNOME. [15:05] DaemonFC But with KDE, Kubuntu 21.10 is preferable. [15:06] DaemonFC The setup program is better, the Wayland support is better, there's been a major GUI overhaul that I think is better, and it uses less memory now. [15:07] DaemonFC Well, the KDE Remote Desktop program should work under Wayland. [15:07] schestowitz-TR2 it's based on Debian [15:07] DaemonFC It doesn't have any hard dependencies on X. [15:07] schestowitz-TR2 some things do [15:07] schestowitz-TR2 like various x-specific commands [15:07] DaemonFC Yes, Kubuntu is _based_ on Debian, but it's not Debian. I don't even think there is a way to run current KDE packages on Debian. [15:07] schestowitz-TR2 maybe not the GUIs that you use [15:08] DaemonFC Unless you use some Testing version I guess. [15:08] DaemonFC GNOME is sort of boring. It's there, it works, it doesn't look bad (anymore). [15:09] DaemonFC I suppose as far as workstation roles go, it makes sense for Debian to default to it. [15:09] DaemonFC X11 is rotting away terribly, and Ubuntu defaults to it in GNOME, but that's just a default. [15:09] schestowitz-TR2 how is x11 rotting away? [15:09] schestowitz-TR2 it's stable [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 and still patched when it needs patches [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 I think you fell for IBM FUD [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 and propaganda tactics [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 systemd is rejected by ChromeOS [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 so alternatives for init and other parts will still exist [15:10] schestowitz-TR2 and some distros will use them [15:11] schestowitz[TR] https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/kubuntu-focus-m2-linux-laptop-12-10-2021/ [15:11] altlink_051 geeky-gadgets.com is Cloudflare domain. [15:11] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/kubuntu-focus-m2-linux-laptop-12-10-2021/ [15:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeky-gadgets.com | Kubuntu Focus unveiled powerful M2 Linux laptop - Geeky Gadgets [15:11] DaemonFC Well, KDE hasn't bothered to fix any of their issues on X11 for a very long time now. [15:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20211012141123/https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/kubuntu-focus-m2-linux-laptop-12-10-2021/ ) [15:11] schestowitz-TR2 like, what? [15:11] DaemonFC All of the heavy development has been on the Wayland session, which has finally paid off. [15:11] DaemonFC But it just doesn't work well on HiDPI displayes with X11. [15:12] DaemonFC There's weird and inconsistent scaling problems. [15:12] DaemonFC Fonts look bad, the mouse cursor changes sizes depending on what you're hovering over, icons are too small. [15:13] DaemonFC In the latest KDE, you log into Wayland, hit scale to 200%, and BAM, everything looks good. [15:13] DaemonFC Done. [15:13] MinceR i doubt it [15:13] MinceR phosh uses HiDPI by default, and it has some rough edges [15:13] MinceR like stuff using some other toolkit than GTK+ tends to end up being pixelated [15:13] DaemonFC KWin's X11 session is usable on HiDPI, but it's inconsistent to the point of jarring. [15:13] MinceR and would work better without magnification [15:14] DaemonFC Either way works on a 1920x1080 display though. [15:14] MinceR but if i turn it off, GTK apps become a pain to use with a touchscreen [15:14] DaemonFC I think schestowitz-TR2 was wondering why I learned to just install GNOME and be done with it. [15:14] DaemonFC A lot of it was THAT laptop. [15:15] DaemonFC I'd look at any other desktop and go "Ugh, it's ....Why is this still a problem?". [15:15] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/superjerk-is-a-jerk.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/1325/ ) [15:15] altlink_051 explosm.net is Cloudflare domain. [15:15] altlink_051 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/superjerk-is-a-jerk.png [15:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net) [15:15] DaemonFC But Kubuntu 21.10 is great with a couple of tweaks. [15:16] DaemonFC I generally tend to rate desktops as good or crap based on several initial impressions. Are they consistent? Do they have jank when I go to pull down a menu or move a window? Is it relatively easy to use? What's the resource consumption like? [15:17] DaemonFC The Explorer Shell on Windows is probably the lowest in my opinion. [15:17] DaemonFC The latest KDE or GNOME are good. [15:18] DaemonFC As far as depending on some sort of hardware acceleration, why not? [15:18] DaemonFC Every PC since Windows Vista has a good enough graphics chip to run KWin with the OpenGL 2 backend, on Wayland. [15:19] MinceR because they tend to depend on hw acceleration for fancy effects that hinder usage of the system [15:19] DaemonFC I'd be disappointed if they weren't trying to leverage the hardware that's there anyway. [15:19] MinceR animations that waste the user's time and things like that [15:19] MinceR and they can trigger GPU driver bugs [15:19] DaemonFC Then the bugs should be fixed. [15:20] *blitzed (~blitzed@8nsxk9ybwst9i.irc) has joined #techrights [15:20] MinceR yes [15:20] MinceR and i would like to have a pony [15:21] DaemonFC Also, there was a debate about this a while back and GTK actually performed better using llvmpipe than framebuffer. [15:21] DaemonFC So it's not like it's doing something worse than it was before, even with llvmpipe as the fallback. [15:23] *CrystalMath (~coderain@hdqpa5tfmmibi.irc) has joined #techrights [15:25] *altlink_051 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:25] DaemonFC http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/mozilla-firefox-became-spyware/ [15:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Firefox Takes Another Step in the Direction of Being Malware With Firefox Suggest | Techrights [15:25] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [15:25] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, ^ I messed that up a little. [15:26] DaemonFC I meant to say Manjaro. [15:26] DaemonFC https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-is-the-default-browser-on-manjaro-linux/ [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vivaldi is the default browser on Manjaro Linux Cinnamon | Vivaldi Browser [15:26] DaemonFC Vivaldi is less overtly hostile to the user than Firefox. [15:26] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:26] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:26] DaemonFC And it manages to keep resource comsumption down. [15:26] *schestowitz[TR] has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:27] DaemonFC Running Wordpress in Writer mode really causes Firefox to spin up the CPU. [15:27] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@bsgdwgkyty4d4.irc) has joined #techrights [15:27] DaemonFC It does on Vivaldi too and then it seems to realize something's wrong and rate limit the page. [15:27] *schestowitz (~roy@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [15:27] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techrights schestowitz [15:27] *schestowitz has quit (connection closed) [15:27] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:28] *schestowitz (~roy@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [15:28] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techrights schestowitz [15:28] *asusbox2 (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [15:30] *altlink_051 (~altlink_051@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [15:31] *altlink_051 has quit (connection closed) [15:31] *altlink_051 (~altlink_051@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [15:32] *altlink_051 has quit (connection closed) [15:32] *altlink_051 (~altlink_051@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [15:33] *altlink_051 has quit (connection closed) [15:33] *altlink_051 (~altlink_051@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [15:34] *altlink_051 has quit (connection closed) [15:46] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, I don't suppose there's much in the way of long term gain by using Ubuntu. They're clearly in trouble. [15:46] DaemonFC They hawk WSL, and while I suppose that doesn't affect Kubuntu a lot day to day, eww. [15:47] DaemonFC Nice message there. [15:47] DaemonFC "Why even bother installing our OS? Get a Linux simulator for Windows that uses some of our binaries!" [15:49] schestowitz-TR2 they get paid to not compete [15:49] schestowitz-TR2 Zemlin also [15:49] schestowitz-TR2 the whole thing is sold [15:50] *mib_rgph8p (~5198ef1a@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights [15:51] DaemonFC There's all sorts of hacks around bugs in WSL itself where something in "Linux" just doesn't line up properly with the Windows Host and disaster ensues. [15:52] techrights-news #Multiboot USB Creator Ventoy Adds a GUI Mode to Its Live ISO Image http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156699 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Multiboot USB Creator Ventoy Adds a GUI Mode to Its Live ISO Image | Tux Machines [15:52] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: WSL failed [15:52] schestowitz-TR2 the devs left [15:52] schestowitz-TR2 they just use it for googlebombing now [15:52] DaemonFC https://hackaday.com/2019/12/23/linux-fu-wsl-tricks-blur-the-windows-linux-line/ [15:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Fu: WSL Tricks Blur The Windows/Linux Line | Hackaday [15:52] schestowitz-TR2 to signal to gnu/linux people that windows=windows+1 [15:52] DaemonFC "Given the choice, well just use Linux. Honestly, if your workflow is mostly Web-based, it hardly matters anymore. You load Chrome or your choice of browser and everything works. Of course, our Linux boxes tend to be way more efficient and also stay running better than Windows. [15:52] DaemonFC However, if you find yourself using Windows, Cygwin has long been a big help. Now WSL is another tool to get your Linux tools on a Microsoft-controlled box." [15:53] schestowitz-TR2 Microsoft-controlled [15:53] DaemonFC LOL [15:53] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, Sometimes it's the simple things that get you. [15:53] DaemonFC So, uh, I figured out the numlock thing with GNOME. [15:53] DaemonFC It turns it on but doesn't make the light come on. [15:54] DaemonFC So the numpad works, but there's no light, then if you press it, the light comes on and it doesn't work. [15:54] DaemonFC Whatever. [15:54] DaemonFC Now that I know that GNOME just don't activate the light and the numerical keys work, I can stop messing with it going what the hell is wrong with this thing. [15:54] DaemonFC I probably should have checked what the keys were actually doing. [15:55] techrights-news High-performance embedded #DBMS #libmdbx 0.10.4 and #libfpta 0.3.9 released - itsfoss.net https://www.itsfoss.net/libmdbx-0-10-4-and-libfpta-0-3-9-released/ #ItsFOSS [15:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-High-performance embedded DBMS libmdbx 0.10.4 and libfpta 0.3.9 released - itsfoss.net [15:56] DaemonFC If that wasn't bad enough, some Arch Linux users say that the systemd service that Arch made for turning on your numlock key at boot turns on the light, but then the buttons don't work. [15:56] DaemonFC But a couple of them say that it totally messed up their computer. [15:56] techrights-news It's Ada Lovelace Day! Learn the #Ada #programming language in 2021 | https://opensource.com/article/21/10/learn-ada-2021 #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM [15:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's Ada Lovelace Day! Learn the Ada programming language in 2021 | Opensource.com [15:56] *inky_ (~inky@46.241.132.21) has joined #techrights [15:57] DaemonFC " GarySeven21 commented on 2020-07-15 10:34 [15:57] DaemonFC Just tried out of curiosity and doesn't work. Upon installation it "semi-broke" my Arch Cinnamon DE install by also uninstalling the following (output from Pamac log): [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed systemd-numlockontty (0.1-12) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed vulkan-icd-loader (1.2.146-1) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed dhcpcd (9.1.4-1) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed dav1d (0.7.1-1) [2020-07-15T10:49:50 [15:57] DaemonFC +0200] [ALPM] removed ffmpeg (2:4.2.3-2) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed chromaprint (1.5.0-1) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed gst-plugins-bad (1.16.2-13) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed libplacebo (1.29.1-3) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed gstreamer-vaapi (1.16.2-2) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed vlc (3.0.11-1) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed ffmpegthumbnailer (2.2.2-2) [15:57] DaemonFC [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed firefox (78.0.1-1) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed gst-libav (1.16.2-2) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed guvcview-common (2.0.6-5) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed mencoder (38157-2) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed transcode (1.1.7-33) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed xine-lib (1.2.10-4) [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed guvcview (2.0.6-5) [15:57] DaemonFC [2020-07-15T10:49:50+0200] [ALPM] removed quodlibet (4.3.0-2) [2020-07-14T10:37:46+0200] [ALPM] installed systemd-numlockontty (0.1-12) [15:57] DaemonFC " [15:57] DaemonFC And you thought the dependency matrix on Debian was fucked. [15:57] DaemonFC :/ [15:58] techrights-news #mozilla puts a "Sheriff" in #firefox https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2021/10/11/performance-sheriff-newsletter-august-2021/ [15:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Performance Sheriff Newsletter (August 2021) Mozilla Performance [15:59] techrights-news Triaging #Debian build failure logs with collab-qa-tools - Antonio Terceiro https://terceiro.xyz/2021/10/12/triaging-debian-build-failure-logs-with-collab-qa-tools/ #terceiro #ruby #programming [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-terceiro.xyz | Triaging Debian build failure logs with collab-qa-tools - Antonio Terceiro ● Oct 12 [16:00] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [16:01] techrights-news "SUSE Enterprise Storage, SUSEs software-defined storage product based on Ceph, doesnt appear to have made the cut. According to their support pages, it is scheduled for End of Life with milestones in January 2021 and 2022." https://ubuntu.com//blog/suse-enterprise-storage [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SUSE Enterprise Storage: What next? | Ubuntu [16:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [16:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.83 swarm size (avg): 261.00 [16:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.83 swarm size (avg): 261.00 [16:01] techrights-news #Arkime 3.1 network traffic indexing system is available - itsfoss.net https://www.itsfoss.net/arkime-3-1-network-traffic-indexing-system-is-available/ Apache 2.0 license [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Arkime 3.1 network traffic indexing system is available - itsfoss.net [16:02] DaemonFC /home/ryanf/Music/Bob Marley/[2002] Legend [Deluxe Edition]/10-I Shot the Sheriff.opus [16:03] techrights-news The latest Linux release candidate... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156632#comment-31347 [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: NVDEC and x86 | Tux Machines [16:04] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: did you??? [16:06] techrights-news #suse : your data. For the Pentagon. In the name (or buzzword) of #clowncomputing https://www.suse.com/c/ready-to-solve-for-whats-next-join-suse-at-google-cloud-next/ [16:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ready to Solve for What's Next? Join SUSE at Google Cloud Next! | SUSE Communities [16:07] DaemonFC :) [16:07] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, I was talking to that T-Mobile support lady. She asked what operating system I was using. [16:07] schestowitz-TR2 tell her [16:07] schestowitz-TR2 I shot the sherriff OS [16:07] DaemonFC So I had to explain Debian shortly, and then she asked what VPN I was using. [16:07] schestowitz-TR2 *sheriff [16:08] DaemonFC I like how they're all like why do you use a VPN at most ISPs. [16:08] schestowitz-TR2 DPI [16:08] DaemonFC "Becuase it's none of your business what I am doing." [16:08] schestowitz-TR2 it harms their farming of data [16:08] schestowitz-TR2 they charge you money [16:08] schestowitz-TR2 and then sell you [16:09] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: [15:58] #mozilla puts a "Sheriff" in #firefox https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2021/10/11/performance-sheriff-newsletter-august-2021/ [16:09] schestowitz-TR2 Sheriff [16:09] schestowitz-TR2 creepy name, imho [16:09] schestowitz-TR2 what next? [16:09] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, This has been around forever. [16:10] schestowitz-TR2 but the name? [16:10] DaemonFC It's Mozilla jargon. [16:10] DaemonFC Yes. [16:10] techrights-news An alternative search tool for #LibreOffice Writer - Linux Magazine https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/AltSearch #LinuxMagazine #FreeSW #GNU #Linux [16:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | AltSearch Linux Magazine [16:10] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: they're bakering lots of spyware into Firefox [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 mind the pun [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 there's is "Glean" [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 in Microsoft GitHub [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 they do... "BIG DATA"!! [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 Ha!! [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 Hey, Mozilla!! [16:11] schestowitz-TR2 "SUCK MY BIG DATA!!" [16:14] techrights-news #Debian: Error Logs, Fatdog64, and EasyOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156701 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian: Error Logs, Fatdog64, and EasyOS | Tux Machines [16:14] techrights-news #SUSE: Clown Computing and Rancher News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156700 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE: Clown Computing and Rancher News | Tux Machines [16:19] techrights-news #Intel: DG2, AMX, and MPX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156702 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel: DG2, AMX, and MPX | Tux Machines [16:20] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, Still plodding along on this comparison of Debian and Ubuntu with KDE. [16:20] techrights-news More #surveillance such as #listeningDevices or #bugs around the home https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/12/sonoff-nspanel-3-5-inch-hmi-display-home-automation/ this should be regulated if not BANNED. Many non-consenting people affected. [16:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Sonoff NSPanel - A 3.5-inch HMI display for home automation (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software [16:21] DaemonFC I'm saying that while I like the newer KDE a lot more, the whole point of Debian is to be more reliable and stick with older software that's a known factor and to stabilize it. [16:21] techrights-news Competitive Compatibility: Lets Fix the #Internet , Not the Tech Giants http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156703 #standards #TuxMachines [16:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Competitive Compatibility: Let's Fix the Internet, Not the Tech Giants | Tux Machines [16:22] DaemonFC There will never be "no bugs", but I've noticed that the prevalence of serious bugs in these six month releases is much worse. [16:22] techrights-news #DFI chose boards with #nsa #backdoors https://linuxgizmos.com/dfi-spins-tiger-lake-thin-mini-itx-sbc-and-com-express-modules/ [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/dfi-spins-tiger-lake-thin-mini-itx-sbc-and-com-express-modules/ ) [16:23] DaemonFC Upstream sees them as something they don't have to live with for a while, which is sort of a disposable beta for the next LTS. [16:23] DaemonFC So the mentality is it doesn't have to work quite right. [16:23] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: here's the thing [16:23] schestowitz-TR2 I kept asking you for examples [16:23] schestowitz-TR2 which you did not give [16:23] schestowitz-TR2 like x11-related bugs in debian 11 [16:23] schestowitz-TR2 debian is not perfect [16:24] schestowitz-TR2 but.. [16:24] schestowitz-TR2 the likelihood of it breaking is not high [16:24] schestowitz-TR2 and you can fix it [16:24] DaemonFC The scaling problems on that laptop, forgetting I have a touchpad when it resumes from suspend, etc. [16:24] schestowitz-TR2 for people who want to do risky stuff, go rolling or Vista SP11 Rolling Edition [16:24] DaemonFC I mean, aside from gross hacks like running scripts to rmmod the touchpad and slap it back in.... [16:24] schestowitz-TR2 I want to not mess around with my PC for years [16:24] DaemonFC My God, X11 is shit. [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 use external mice [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 so much better [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 unless you're in some airport [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 I hate all those devices for mousing [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 because movements are imprecide [16:25] schestowitz-TR2 you're better off just memorising keyboard shortcuts [16:26] DaemonFC I would have used Wayland sooner except that XWayland was having big performance issues. [16:26] DaemonFC Now it's not. [16:26] DaemonFC Anyway, bbiab. Lunch. [16:26] techrights-news Clean Up in the Digital Aisle: #Privacy Concerns with #Sobeys Inc. Caper Carts System - The Citizen Lab https://citizenlab.ca/2021/10/clean-up-in-the-digital-aisle-privacy-concerns-with-sobeys-inc-caper-carts-system/ #citizenlab on mass #surveillance inside stores [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-citizenlab.ca | Clean Up in the Digital Aisle: Privacy Concerns with Sobeys Inc. Caper Carts System - The Citizen Lab [16:27] schestowitz-TR2 DaemonFC: ok [16:28] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:28] techrights-news People worry about getting 'chipped'. Then go about ranting about it on their "mobile" (tracking) devices while buying "apps" with their chipped "credit" card. If you value #privacy of the self (or the body), you will use cash and a landline at home. [16:29] techrights-news What's more crazy? Resisting the #surveillance state or accepting it? Taking for granted oppressive measures seems crazy and even reckless to me... [16:30] techrights-news #swpats weaponised against #freesw (sort of) even when those software #patents are clearly #fakepatents https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/10/11/2000-for-phoji-prior-art [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | $2,000 for Phoji prior art Unified Patents [16:37] psydruid https://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2021-October/024523.html [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-minnie.tuhs.org | [TUHS] RIP Jrg Schilling [16:37] MinceR 12 172446 < DaemonFC> My God, X11 is shit. [16:37] techrights-news #china granting #swpats to #patentTrolls and their #patent pools? INVALID! https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/10/8/another-etri-chinese-patent-held-invalid [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Another ETRI AV1/HEVC patent held invalid in China Unified Patents [16:37] MinceR and what is more shit than X11? every other windowing system. [16:38] schestowitz-TR2 X is very mature [16:38] schestowitz-TR2 I can run it for a yeart [16:38] schestowitz-TR2 without having to reboot [16:38] psydruid I think we can see Wayland for what it is now [16:38] schestowitz-TR2 it's not perfect of infallible [16:38] schestowitz-TR2 but usually it just sits there in the background and works [16:38] schestowitz-TR2 I can ssh -X [16:38] schestowitz-TR2 I use many x tools [16:39] schestowitz-TR2 for automation, for special keyboard shortcuts etc. [16:39] psydruid but when they started talking about it, it was supposed to be the thing that made X obsolete [16:39] schestowitz-TR2 wayland offers nothing to me [16:39] schestowitz-TR2 shallow appeal to novelty [16:39] psydruid and now it's slower and still doesn't work for many people and applications [16:39] psydruid so what was the entire point of that thing? [16:39] psydruid control? [16:39] schestowitz-TR2 they will make life hard for people like me [16:40] schestowitz-TR2 I'd have to study workarounds and stuff [16:40] schestowitz-TR2 wontfix [16:40] schestowitz-TR2 X code is famously neat [16:40] schestowitz-TR2 well orgaised [16:40] schestowitz-TR2 stable mature [16:40] schestowitz-TR2 unlike wayland and systemd I hear [16:40] schestowitz-TR2 so why rebuild this [16:40] schestowitz-TR2 because it's not IBM? [16:40] schestowitz-TR2 because they find a "sily" variable name in X [16:41] psydruid it has its limitations, but making a giant hairball of code to replace is not the way to go for actual users of these systems [16:41] schestowitz-TR2 silly with "crazy" values? [16:41] psydruid sometimes I'm wondering if IBM/RH people even use this stuff that they code up [16:41] psydruid I wonder* [16:41] activelow i remain sceptical about the security model of X11 (sniffing on xinput circuumventing /dev/tty) [16:41] schestowitz-TR2 the support people [16:41] schestowitz-TR2 maybe not their coders [16:41] schestowitz-TR2 they sell support, for when things break [16:41] schestowitz-TR2 if things break more, than more support [16:42] psydruid dogfooding was a big thing at Sun Microsystems [16:42] psydruid I doubt it is at IBM/RH [16:42] schestowitz-TR2 Good thing Allowhurst uses it all [16:42] schestowitz-TR2 oh wait [16:42] schestowitz-TR2 he uses a FUCKING MAC [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 jim, tell us about flatfak [16:43] psydruid RH developer: developing and running Fedora in a VM on my Mac [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 ah, erm.. [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 "exactly" [16:43] activelow then, lately, xorg chose to implement a different driver model of keyboard input, depending on evdev, which again circuumvents /dev/tty [16:43] schestowitz-TR2 psydruid: DaemonFC says the Fedora 'community' in IRC get infested with Windows/EDGE type people [16:44] schestowitz-TR2 i.e. people who 'care' for Fedora [16:44] schestowitz-TR2 but don't use it [16:44] schestowitz-TR2 activelow: it was not being replaced for security reasons though [16:44] schestowitz-TR2 nobody claimed systemd was a security merit thing, either [16:44] psydruid who care for Fedora like they 'care' for the elderly or their pets [16:44] schestowitz-TR2 usually they just say, well.... let's make something news [16:44] schestowitz-TR2 *new [16:45] schestowitz-TR2 OSS and alsa could be improved with a lot less effort than 2 million LOCs in Microsoft shithub [16:45] psydruid schestowitz-TR2, that much was clear to me, the few times I filed bug reports for Fedora, I was wondering why no one else caught those bugs [16:45] psydruid although admittedly I also only ran Fedora in QEMU [16:45] psydruid because there is no way I would run that crap directly on my machine [16:45] schestowitz-TR2 Fedora is a sandbox to them [16:45] schestowitz-TR2 to some users it's a production machine [16:45] psydruid not since Fedora Core 1 [16:46] schestowitz-TR2 I used that in a macine at university for work [16:46] schestowitz-TR2 big mistaker [16:46] schestowitz-TR2 even installing some packages like gnu octave or gnu plot was not possible [16:46] schestowitz-TR2 hours spent dealing with their mess [16:46] psydruid I moved my own machine and those of my parents and siblings to Slackware after a month or two of constant bugs and crashes in Fedora Core 1 [16:46] schestowitz-TR2 IBM stopped getting slave time off of Fedora [16:46] schestowitz-TR2 much of the community was scuttled and dismantled [16:47] schestowitz-TR2 the developers contribute to other distros now [16:47] schestowitz-TR2 I used Core 1 and 2 [16:47] schestowitz-TR2 for their time, they were not bad [16:47] schestowitz-TR2 SuSE worked before [16:47] schestowitz-TR2 that was before opensuse [16:48] techrights-news #ipkat advertising #upc liars and extremists. #unifiedpatentcourt is dead, but #teamUPC weaponises connections to spread lies. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/10/monday-miscellany.html [16:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Monday Miscellany - The IPKat [16:49] psydruid SuSE was good until it became buggy and unstable around 2010 [16:49] psydruid it's better again now, but with strings attached [16:49] psydruid I don't see it as a viable alternative anymore [16:49] psydruid maybe for business desktops [16:49] psydruid with a limited set of applications [16:51] techrights-news This 'article' (LIES) did NOT age well :-) http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20170407000524 when is it coming, Margot? Next year? As in 2015??? http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/upc-facts/ [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.koreaherald.com | [Newsmaker] Europes unitary patent system will bring benefits to Korean firms [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Margot Forgot UPC Facts | Techrights [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 psydruid: suse is a liability for ethical reaosns [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 unless you just need a very exensive OS for SAP [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 with "clown" offering [16:52] psydruid that's what I meant [16:52] schestowitz-TR2 ask the suits and the shiny brochure under their elbow [16:52] psydruid I wouldn't install it for anyone in a home setting [16:52] psydruid even though it's not bad [16:52] psydruid but that ship has sailed [16:54] techrights-news "...363 patent was invalid" https://www.natlawreview.com/article/clarifying-pleading-requirements-patent-cases #uspto #fakepatents #patentMill #patents #swpats [16:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Federal Circuit Affirms Dismissal of Bot M8 Patent Claims [16:56] techrights-news It's hard to determine what proportion of granted #patents is just #fakepatents waiting to be challenged. In courts we see landing only some of the 'stronger' ones. What if 3 out of 4 #patent #monopolies were in fact possible to dismantle in court? Are we protecting a BUBBLE by making challenges too expensive? [16:56] activelow one crucial question is this: should a gnu/linux distribution encourage a fully source based work flow or not (regardles of binary drops available) [16:56] *techrights_guest|19 (~5198ef1a@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [16:58] schestowitz We find that the Samsung, Xiaomi, Huawei and Realme Android variants all transmit a substantial volume of data to the OS developer (i.e. Samsung etc) and to third-party parties that have pre-installed system apps (including Google, Microsoft, Heytap, LinkedIn, Facebook). #LineageOS sends similar volumes of data to #Google as these proprietary #Android variants [16:58] schestowitz https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/study-reveals-scale-of-data-sharing-from-android-mobile-phones/ [16:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tcd.ie | Study reveals scale of data-sharing from Android mobile phones - Trinity News and Events ● Oct 12 [17:00] techrights-news #TomsHardware shilling a #microsoft ATTACK on #gnu #linux or helps Microsoft's #googlebombing campaign to promote malware via WSL/2 [17:02] techrights-news #proprietarySoftware https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ics/advisories/icsa-21-285-01 https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ics/advisories/icsa-21-285-02 [17:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Advantech WebAccess SCADA | CISA [17:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Advantech WebAccess | CISA [17:02] techrights-news Below the Surface: An Interview with #WhitneyWebb https://odysee.com/@Chris_Martenson:2/WhitneyWebb:d [17:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Below the Surface: An Interview with Whitney Webb [17:06] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [17:07] techrights-news #PostmarketOS v21.06 Service Pack 3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156637#comment-31348 [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | postmarketOS Release: v21.06 Service Pack 3 | Tux Machines [17:09] techrights-news The latest #ECT #openwashing puff piece for "Linux" Foundation and its clients https://linuxinsider.com/story/enterprises-embrace-open-source-to-tackle-growing-data-management-challenges-87299.html [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxinsider.com | Enterprises Embrace Open Source To Tackle Data Management Challenges [17:11] techrights-news Seems apt that Linux [sic] Foundation calls its #marketing "research" (same lie as #Microsoft ) and "SODA" because it basically junk, unhealthy https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/linux-foundation-research-and-soda-foundation-release-new-data-and-storage-trends-for-the-enterprise-301398025.html see http://techrights.org/2021/06/14/linux-foundation-marketing/ [17:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Linux Foundation Research and SODA Foundation Release New Data and Storage Trends for the Enterprise [17:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Todays Linux Standing for the Opposite of What Linux Users Stand for | Techrights [17:11] techrights-news #Kdenlive 21.08.2 is out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156704 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kdenlive 21.08.2 is out | Tux Machines [17:15] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@y4xqbx2nsfp9w.irc) has joined #techrights [17:16] DaemonFC OSS and alsa could be improved with a lot less effort than 2 million LOCs in Microsoft shithub [17:17] DaemonFC Most of the BSDs just kept extending their implementation of OSS. [17:18] DaemonFC schestowitz, The point of all of this new stuff is mostly to create pointless differences with the other POSIX operating systems. [17:18] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.56 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 38.06 swarm size (avg): 260.98 [17:18] DaemonFC In a way that they either can't keep up with or will struggle to adapt to. [17:19] schestowitz-TR2 wayland also [17:19] schestowitz-TR2 no more ssh -X [17:19] schestowitz-TR2 wtf??? [17:19] schestowitz-TR2 such a basic feature [17:19] DaemonFC There's a lot of NIH here stuff in Linux, but ALSA was really the first big one I can think of. [17:19] schestowitz-TR2 since 20+ years ago [17:19] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/779300.png [17:19] schestowitz-TR2 if wayland is so nice and clean, why can't they re-add such basic support? [17:19] DaemonFC Jamie Zawinski was mocking it as "Advanced" Linux Sound Architecture. [17:19] DaemonFC When he couldn't get his sound card to work. [17:20] MinceR was this before his brain stopped working? [17:20] DaemonFC I've built Linux kernels that used OSSv4 before and didn't have ALSA. [17:20] psydruid so the defining feature of Linux is NIH? [17:20] psydruid and they extended that to more and more of the userland? [17:20] psydruid that's amazing [17:20] MinceR the defining feature of Linux is corporate takeover [17:20] DaemonFC Linux is becoming more like proprietary vendor UNIX was. [17:20] DaemonFC Only it's IBM and it's all "open source" this time. [17:21] MinceR except it's becoming less and less capable of being the kernel of a Unix system [17:21] psydruid that's what I've been saying for quite some time [17:21] psydruid I also consider it proprietary UNIX 2.0 (3.0? 4.0?) [17:21] DaemonFC Out of the old proprietary vendor UNIX systems, most were crap except IRIX and Solaris. [17:22] DaemonFC Humorously, IE for UNIX was never targeted at IRIX. It only barely worked on the systems Microsoft did port it to. [17:22] schestowitz-TR2 IBM will die [17:22] DaemonFC It had to be the correct "patch level" or it would segfault and maybe panic the kernel too on the way out. [17:22] psydruid I had IRIX installed on my SGI Origin 2000 [17:22] MinceR Linux will probably die before IBM does [17:22] MinceR maybe so will the FSF [17:22] MinceR and the GNU Project [17:23] MinceR (except of course for GNOME) [17:23] schestowitz-TR2 FSF does not need IBM [17:23] schestowitz-TR2 in recent years IBM only attacked FSF [17:24] schestowitz-TR2 IBm is Novell [17:24] MinceR the FSF has capitulated to IBM's horde [17:24] schestowitz-TR2 they faced SCO together [17:24] schestowitz-TR2 let IBM rock back and forth a few more time [17:24] schestowitz-TR2 they'll fall [17:24] schestowitz-TR2 [17:24] the FSF has capitulated to IBM's horde [17:24] schestowitz-TR2 in 2019 [17:24] schestowitz-TR2 now they pushed back [17:24] schestowitz-TR2 and put back the loyalists in the board [17:24] psydruid the thing is if they are content taking GNU and Linux and doing their own thing in a vacuum and leave others alone [17:24] schestowitz-TR2 ousted the infestors [17:25] psydruid leaving* [17:25] MinceR also when they decided to host their communications where IBM's drones can control them [17:25] psydruid or if they will also try to infect the BSDs and new and upcoming operating systems [17:25] DaemonFC I do get why KDE NEON is riding on top of Ubuntu. [17:25] MinceR also continually by refusing to address the death of GNU and the encroachment of systemd [17:25] DaemonFC Ubuntu PPAs make it pretty easy to shuffle things around and back them out if you cause a crapalanche. [17:26] DaemonFC Debian just isn't built to do that. [17:26] schestowitz RMS told me there's no CoC in GNU [17:26] schestowitz but there is one in their IRC network [17:26] MinceR which network [17:27] schestowitz LC [17:27] schestowitz where they are guests [17:27] schestowitz or "slaves" [17:27] MinceR :> [17:27] schestowitz they can be blacklisted [17:27] schestowitz by white people [17:27] MinceR guests of their masters at IBM [17:27] schestowitz i.e. 100% of the admins [17:28] activelow really? LC is IBM? [17:28] libertybox tyranny [17:28] schestowitz oops [17:28] schestowitz wrong paste [17:28] schestowitz RMS said censorship is tyranny [17:28] schestowitz a day ago in his site [17:29] DaemonFC I don't know why but when I booted Kubuntu 21.10 on this computer (new one), it caused the uEFI firmware to say "backing up self-healing BIOS" until I shut the PC down and cold started it. [17:29] schestowitz [17:28] really? LC is IBM? [17:29] XRevan86 activelow: systemd is non-free, LC is IBM, ye know the drill. [17:29] DaemonFC Probably something to do with Lenovo's shit firmware. [17:29] schestowitz no, MinceR sort of insinuated this [17:29] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:30] DaemonFC There is just no telling what's in there or what could set it off. Even OpenSUSE writes an entire book on why uEFI can't be trusted to do the most basic tasks it claims to do. [17:31] *gde33 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [17:32] DaemonFC I agree with OpenSUSE. It's better to avoid using any of uEFI's "features" beyond what's needed to make the machine boot up. [17:32] DaemonFC If you do, you'll eventually brick someone's computer. [17:33] DaemonFC Since I have no idea how Ubuntu is building their kernels, I don't know what's to blame. I know Debian kernels don't have this issue. [17:33] activelow disagree, no UEFI at all, and with legacy BIOS, most parts BIOS implemented belonged into kernel as opensource [17:33] activelow that's why, alot of duplication existed, with device drivers implemented in BIOS (or nowadays uefi) and again in kernel [17:34] DaemonFC MARISOL "loaned" Mandy her Macbook. [17:34] DaemonFC It's missing keys and Chrome is stuck at version 46 and says it doesn't support OS X 10.6 anymore. [17:34] techrights-news Links 12/10/2021: Qubes 4.1 RC and Kdenlive 21.08.2 http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/kdenlive-21-08-2/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/kdenlive-21-08-2/ [17:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 12/10/2021: Qubes 4.1 RC and Kdenlive 21.08.2 | Techrights [17:34] DaemonFC I checked About This Mac and it said Core 2 Duo and 2 GB of RAM. [17:34] techrights-news #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156705 [17:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:34] MinceR activelow: illibera is controlled by staff that includes several people who signed the anti-RMS petition, some of whom have connections to the GNOME Foundation and other tentacles of IBM [17:34] DaemonFC So mid 2000s, I guess. [17:35] MinceR s/petition/letter/ [17:35] CrystalMath MinceR: exactly, it's a terrible place [17:35] MinceR though the whole letter seems to come from ibm and microsoft people [17:35] CrystalMath and it is the result of THEIR actions, not Andrew Lee's, why most free software development is now done on mattermost [17:36] CrystalMath there would be no need for Andrew Lee to intervene if they weren't such horrible staffers [17:36] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156707 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [17:36] MinceR well, it was freenode's fucking up that made it possible to buy/sell the network in the first place [17:36] activelow conceptually, this is how i understand it: similar to systemd, between userspace and kernel space the system layer of systemd was fiddled into, to hook and hijack in between there [17:36] techrights-news Software: Apache, LibreOffice Writer, Arkime, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156706 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Apache, LibreOffice Writer, Arkime, and More | Tux Machines [17:36] MinceR and they fucked up again [17:36] MinceR they haven't learned from it [17:36] CrystalMath MinceR: no, not really [17:36] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Nice revisionism. Also mattermost is decentralising, so it's a win? [17:36] CrystalMath XRevan86: ReactOS left freenode in 2018 [17:36] activelow same with BIOS and UEFI, which hook into in between kernel and hardware, although kernel is by design what interfaces with hardware, which it doesn't anymore directly [17:36] CrystalMath that was not Lee, that was all old staff [17:37] activelow it is sort of virtualized/supervised [17:37] MinceR the old staff was horrible [17:37] CrystalMath MinceR: exactly [17:37] CrystalMath they may never be forgiven [17:37] CrystalMath they have also not changed their ways one bit [17:37] CrystalMath they still sit on channels [17:37] CrystalMath every channel on illibera with 50+ people has a staffer sitting there [17:38] activelow so instead of hardware-kernel-userspace we've got hardware-bios/uefi-kernel-systemd-userspace [17:38] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights [17:38] CrystalMath activelow: well, firmware-kernel-userspace is historic [17:38] MinceR their term is "obsolete" [17:38] MinceR or even "deprecated" [17:39] XRevan86 https://reactos.org/project-news/new-discussion-platform/ weird, no mention of issues with the staff. [17:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-reactos.org | New Discussion Platform | ReactOS Project [17:39] DaemonFC MinceR, I put this in my blog. [17:39] CrystalMath if you run a sane OS you will not have a "system layer" [17:39] DaemonFC " [17:39] DaemonFC

    It bears repeating..... DO NOT buy a HiDPI display. You will only live to regret it. They're a power-hogging monstrosity that demands a lot of the GPU, and they're not practical.

    [17:39] DaemonFC [17:39] DaemonFC [17:39] DaemonFC

    Leave them for Mac fanboys who are watching kiss anime at 240p on Safari.

    [17:39] DaemonFC " [17:39] DaemonFC Oops. [17:39] DaemonFC Formatting. [17:39] CrystalMath XRevan86: right, but i know what happened regarding off-topic stuff [17:39] XRevan86 What they do mention is that they don't like limitations of IRC? [17:39] DaemonFC "It bears repeating.. DO NOT buy a HiDPI display. You will only live to regret it. Theyre a power-hogging monstrosity that demands a lot of the GPU, and theyre not practical. [17:39] activelow btw. those extra layers (systemd, bios/uefi) are controlled by... IBM Wintel corp. [17:39] DaemonFC Leave them for Mac fanboys who are watching kiss anime at 240p on Safari." [17:39] CrystalMath XRevan86: oh that is true [17:39] CrystalMath XRevan86: there's plenty of reactos developers with right-ish opinions [17:40] CrystalMath XRevan86: and we had a staffer monitor us as well, tomaw [17:40] CrystalMath ReactOS always kept a backup channel on OFTC, called the "K-Line bunker", specifically because of concern that important develoers may get K-lined [17:41] MinceR sounds futile, considering that the same cult controls OFTC [17:41] activelow cult? [17:41] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Almost as scary as the deadliest pandemic of 2018. [17:41] CrystalMath the danger, of course, is that ReactOS is literally associated with Putin directly, and that many of its developers are not really into any left-wing stuff, not even stallman [17:42] MinceR activelow: neil mcgovern, matthew garrett and other SJWs aligned with IBM and microsoft [17:42] XRevan86 "associated with Putin directly" directly? :D [17:43] CrystalMath yeah, we presented it to Putin, there are pictures of it [17:43] CrystalMath https://reactos.org/project-news/reactos-presented-president-putin/ [17:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-reactos.org | ReactOS Presented to President Putin | ReactOS Project [17:43] XRevan86 That's not exactly "associated", but indeed closer than I expected. [17:44] XRevan86 Ah, yes, Seliger, I remember that happening. [17:44] CrystalMath XRevan86: for years we were trying to get the status of Russia's replacement for western technology [17:45] CrystalMath but we didn't get it [17:45] CrystalMath instead, a linux distro won [17:45] XRevan86 CrystalMath: importozamescheniye is a pretty weird pickle. [17:46] MinceR russia doesn't mind being dependent on a kernel controlled by microsoft? [17:46] activelow washington/redmond [17:47] XRevan86 CrystalMath: ReactOS being an independent project meant that this was unlikely from the start. [17:49] *AdmFubar has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:52] the_janitor does anyone here have to work extra hard to do web searches that don't include wikipedia information? ● Oct 12 [18:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:01] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:01] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [18:03] *Despatche has quit (connection closed) [18:04] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [18:05] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [18:06] *bleb has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [18:06] *bleb (~cm@user/bleb) has joined #techrights [18:12] DaemonFC OMG MSFT! Joey at it again. [18:12] DaemonFC https://149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/GNOME-41-features-gnome-software-3.jpg [18:13] DaemonFC schestowitz, GNOME's Web browser is unsafe according to GNOME, because it has network access and can write to the Downloads folder. 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[19:35] *psymin has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:35] DaemonFC GNOME has an official "suite", but it's really just a bundle of small applications that are usable on their own. 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For scrollback see http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ [19:49] *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~roy@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc at Fri Jun 18 16:51:47 2021 [19:49] *schestowitz (~roy@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [19:49] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techrights schestowitz [19:49] *rianne_ (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [19:50] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #techrights [19:50] *zoobab_ (~zoobab@pp2eibuvx6ngi.irc) has joined #techrights [19:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [19:51] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #techrights [19:51] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to MinceR [19:52] *XRevan86 (~XRevan86@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [19:52] *activelow (~activelow@mmg5z3yijp9ug.irc) has joined #techrights ● Oct 12 [20:00] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [20:00] *activelow (~activelow@x87uf3g2j298y.irc) has joined #techrights [20:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [20:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.40 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 8.10 swarm size (avg): 260.97 [20:41] *ybaumy4 (~ybaumy@ecdcuc322augq.irc) has joined #techrights ● Oct 12 [21:13] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:14] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:19] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.06 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.75 swarm size (avg): 260.96 [21:25] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [21:25] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [21:27] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:32] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@cxv8vvv38gpqa.irc) has joined #techrights [21:35] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [21:35] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [21:52] XRevan86 MinceR: That's an old one. [21:52] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's so quiet over here. Probably because techrights-news is off-line. [21:53] schestowitz-TR2 oh [21:53] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [21:53] *immibis (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [21:53] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/10/12/it-s-just-madness [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [21:53] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@6msztc2mupc3w.irc) has joined #techrights [21:53] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/10/12/let-s-not-talk-about-sex-baby [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [21:54] schestowitz-TR2 I'm also 'at work' [21:55] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [21:55] *activelow (~activelow@i8gtth78frzk8.irc) has joined #techrights [21:56] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:58] XRevan86 I sent a PRIVMSG to scientes two days ago, he didn't reply. [21:59] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) ● Oct 12 [22:02] *CrystalMath has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:03] *CrystalMath (~coderain@hdqpa5tfmmibi.irc) has joined #techrights [22:10] *psydroid3 has quit (connection closed) [22:25] schestowitz Tue 18:34:50 DaemonFC schestowitz-TR2, I'm mentioning Calligra Office. [22:25] schestowitz Tue 18:35:14 DaemonFC GNOME has an official "suite", but it's really just a bundle of small applications that are usable on their own. [22:25] schestowitz I seem to still have some connection issues [22:25] schestowitz missed that one [22:26] DaemonFC https://www.cnet.com/news/details-of-sgis-windows-nt-workstations-emerging/ [22:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Details of SGI's Windows NT workstations emerging - CNET [22:26] DaemonFC "They've put a lot of money in these products and [SGI] is expecting them to do well for the company," said Keren Seymour, senior workstation analyst with International Data Corporation. [22:26] DaemonFC https://www.theregister.com/2006/05/09/sgi_chapter11_analysis/ [22:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Microsoft man's shadow over bankrupt SGI The Register [22:26] DaemonFC Got $18m to spare? That's the market capitalization of one of Silicon Valley's most glamorous companies this morning, after Silicon Graphics Inc. filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. [22:26] DaemonFC The size of SGI's debt - at $664m it's twice the value of its assets - is enough to deter all but the most determined bargain hunter. Apart from a ragbag of trademarks - such as OpenGL - what growth has SGI left to offer? [22:26] DaemonFC --- [22:26] immibis SGI exists? [22:26] DaemonFC Microsoft "partnerships". [22:26] immibis oh. 2006 [22:26] DaemonFC No. [22:27] DaemonFC Between 2002 and 2006, they went from thriving business, to signing a Microsoft deal, to collapsing and filing bankruptcy and firing everyone. [22:27] immibis welcome to capitalism, enjoy your stay. capitalism stresses out capitalists too. one misstep away from not necessarily homelessness, but losing their status [22:28] DaemonFC Despite not existing anymore, there are still people backporting current (or at least newer) open source software to IRIX. [22:28] DaemonFC *Despite SGI not existing anymore [22:28] DaemonFC The OS is still capable of running quite a bit of software. [22:29] DaemonFC https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/12/microsoft_patch_tuesday/?td=keepreading-btm [22:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Microsoft Patch Tuesday bug harvest festival comes to town The Register [22:30] DaemonFC Windows is a mess to try to patch. On top of Microsoft's broken patches and endless patch re-issues, you have dozens if not hundreds of programs that Windows Update doesn't even cover because you got them elsewhere. [22:30] DaemonFC Vivaldi and Firefox have their own system services to watch for updates and install them without setting off security alerts. [22:31] DaemonFC In Debian, Vivaldi just sets up an Apt repo and updates like everything else with an Apt repo. [22:33] DaemonFC There's a lot of people in Vivaldi that actually seem to use GNU/Linux distros as their daily driver, including Ruar degaard (former Opera employee), who says he likes Slackware. [22:33] DaemonFC So they actually bother to do a real port and keep it in sync with all the same features as Mac and Windows. [22:33] DaemonFC Which is something not even Mozilla bothers to. [22:34] DaemonFC In fact, the attitudes at Vivaldi and Mozilla are striking. [22:34] DaemonFC Mozilla says they're open source, and treat GNU/Linux ("Linux") as the unloved port that doesn't get supported properly. [22:36] DaemonFC And Vivaldi (mostly open source, but proprietary bits) treats "Linux" as priority 1 because THEY use it on GNU/Linux themselves instead of releasing Bitch to Boss extensions, giving Comcast privacy awards, stuffing it like a thanksgiving turkey with adware, and redirecting their users to Cloudflare. [22:37] DaemonFC They're in there digging around sorting out bugs. [22:37] DaemonFC In the software. [22:37] DaemonFC Not a political party. [22:37] DaemonFC Like I said before, I can't fault Manjaro too much. Firefox has become a real shit sandwich. [22:38] DaemonFC I mean, it was never the fastest or most efficient program, but it's turned into what it is today out of pure greed and neglect. [22:39] psydruid As of 2010, while mainframe technology represented less than 3% of IBM's revenues, it "continue[d] to play an outsized role in Big Blue's results".' [22:40] psydruid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Mainframes [22:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia [22:40] psydruid So it's pretty much dead and so is IBM [22:41] DaemonFC schestowitz, MinceR [22:41] psydruid I really think Firefox should just die, so people can fork its engine and improve it to build better browsers [22:42] DaemonFC "I don't think you're missing much if you don't get a booster. I got a third Pfizer shot and spent the next month kind of wishing I hadn't. Just all kinds of bizarre things, and it eventually went away, but I wouldn't have taken it if I knew what a bad month it would be. [22:42] DaemonFC "It's safe, it's effective, and it's free!" - Joe Biden [22:42] DaemonFC Also Trump, actually, if you listen to him. [22:42] DaemonFC And I'm starting to wonder how they could be telling us the truth if the situation now is twice as bad as it was this time last year when there was no vaccine, and this despite the fact that the people running Florida are making things up to make it look like there's no COVID there, like something out of North Korea or China's state media. [22:42] DaemonFC This is starting to look an awful lot like an Olive Garden never ending pasta bowl of bullshit. [22:42] psydruid If there is anything worth salvaging of the codebase [22:42] DaemonFC You know, they just keep bringing you more and more. Here's some more breadsticks. Have another COVID shot. Did we tell you about the VERY INFECTIOUS DELTA VARIANT for the 14th time today? By the way, because America is a land of freedom and choices, you'll lose your job if you don't take this weird vaccine Trump told the lab boys to come up with over the course of a few days. [22:42] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@cpwbc8bf6sq3g.irc) has joined #techrights [22:42] DaemonFC Make sure to get three doses now, Bill Gates gets patent royalties. [22:42] DaemonFC I think my life has honestly become a full time damage control. Right? Limiting the damage that the government does while telling me it's helping. We're wearing masks, most of us have gotten the vaccine. If it's a great vaccine, why hasn't it slowed the virus down at all? Why is it twice as bad as last year? [22:42] DaemonFC I'm not going to take any more of these shots and they can just do what they will about that. I feel that the shots themselves are becoming a bigger risk to my health than that damned thing is. And I have to wonder if the vaccines are even working at this point." [22:42] DaemonFC I wrote this on Facebook when WGN said they're studying "boosters" for J&J and Moderna. [22:42] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:44] DaemonFC I really think Firefox should just die, so people can fork its engine and improve it to build better browsers [22:44] DaemonFC It already is effectively dead. [22:45] DaemonFC The ShitHub churn shows that about two-thirds of their activity on Firefox is adding spam and spyware, and about 1/3rd is actual development work going on somewhere in the application. [22:45] DaemonFC mjg59 also uses ShutHub to play around with his broken hibernation and kernel handcuffs. [22:46] psydruid I only use Shithub when I really have to, which is almost never [22:46] DaemonFC It's just ridiculous what this guy does. It's fake security, and he hangs out with a bunch of MicroShit people and then takes digs at things I've never even said instead of quoting me on the really good insults. [22:47] psydruid He's been faking his career and his life [22:47] DaemonFC And of course he's gay (not that there's anything wrong with that before he tries to take that out of context). [22:47] psydruid No substance to add whatsoever [22:47] DaemonFC Usually saying "my partner" means you're gay and you're embarrassed about it. [22:48] DaemonFC Also, afraid of actually getting married or at least a civil union. [22:48] DaemonFC Lack of morals. Doesn't want committment. [22:48] DaemonFC Gets in the way of looking through his meat market apps at the open source conference. [22:49] DaemonFC The way you get over being embarrassed about being gay is by not being embarrassed about it. [22:50] DaemonFC You know, "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on!". You take that attitude with people who don't like you, you'll develop better self-esteem. ● Oct 12 [23:10] psydruid https://www.itpro.co.uk/virtualisation/34516/vmware-vsphere-vs-proxmox-which-is-best-for-your-business [23:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | VMware vSphere vs Proxmox: Which is best for your business? | IT PRO [23:11] psydruid why do companies still deploy VMware Vsphere for mission-critical servers? [23:11] MinceR because they're managed by suits who know nothing about IT [23:12] MinceR the only things they know are control freakery, doing harm, greed and pushing responsibility on other people [23:12] schestowitz-TR2 exactly [23:12] schestowitz-TR2 they buy these to pass blame [23:12] schestowitz-TR2 that's why they also pay Red Hat/IBM [23:12] schestowitz-TR2 a throat to choke [23:12] schestowitz-TR2 at what cost? [23:13] schestowitz-TR2 it's the "SLA" mindset [23:13] schestowitz-TR2 paying tons of money to protect yourself from accusations [23:13] schestowitz-TR2 seems like a "management skill" these days [23:14] psydruid "our company was uncompetitive, but at least we had a throat to choke while we went under!" [23:15] schestowitz-TR2 yes [23:15] schestowitz-TR2 and they put that in their CV [23:15] schestowitz-TR2 we went into "successful bankruptcy" [23:15] schestowitz-TR2 or bankruptcies [23:15] schestowitz-TR2 plural [23:15] schestowitz-TR2 they get another job [23:15] schestowitz-TR2 destroy another company [23:15] schestowitz-TR2 another "successful bankruptcy" [23:16] schestowitz-TR2 as a friend recently told me [23:16] schestowitz-TR2 only partly as a joke [23:18] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/21100235 [23:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5900919) [23:18] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.05 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.45 swarm size (avg): 260.94 [23:37] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)