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| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently one of those conservative antigay groups has been reduced to complaining about a Burger King commercial where someone says "Damn, that's good!" about the Impossible Whopper. So I stopped by and ate at Burger King. Because the Impossible meat stuff is pretty good. I wish they were at the store already. | Jan 13 03:01 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | One local news article said the group, "One Million Moms" had managed to get 8,000 signatures on its complaint that the word damn will corrupt the moral fiber of a nation whose president says he grabs women by the pussy. | Jan 13 03:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If you are actually stuck on Windows XP for some reason, Seamonkey 2.49.5 is the best it gets as far as web browsing. | Jan 13 03:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They made one more release and backported some security patches that had accumulated in the previous 12 months. | Jan 13 03:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's a bit more safe to use than the last Firefox ESR 52. | Jan 13 03:48 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: The nation of the damned %). | Jan 13 04:58 |
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| schestowitz | > Wired is reprinting more and more crap from Ars. | Jan 13 05:57 |
| schestowitz | I noticed that a week or so ago. | Jan 13 05:57 |
| schestowitz | I hope it means not only Ars is collapsing but the parent company, which includes Reddit. | Jan 13 05:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Ars quoted that fake news from the far right about plant based meat causing men to grow boobs. | Jan 13 07:25 |
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| scientes | I am pretty sure we would all be more productive if we switched to ABAP for all business-critical programs. | Jan 13 13:12 |
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| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eNktRSoP4k&list=PLWPirh4EWFpH4i1J7CxvDabSycl5YbAhG | Jan 13 13:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SAP ABAP - Introduction to ERP - YouTube | Jan 13 13:18 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's a twist :) | Jan 13 13:19 |
| scientes | my god https://youtu.be/xMjCSP0mDIo?t=1080 | Jan 13 13:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SAP ABAP - Steps to Create Sample SAP Script - YouTube | Jan 13 13:21 | |
| scientes | How can they even find people to sell this stuff? | Jan 13 13:22 |
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| scientes | it looks like the 80s | Jan 13 13:22 |
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| scientes | never heard of MVC | Jan 13 13:22 |
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| scientes | did you notice he is writing code in word? | Jan 13 13:23 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: The most convinient text editor for coding | Jan 13 13:24 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: It is telling just how much it looks like rocket science just to make a sample script | Jan 13 13:28 |
| XRevan86 | A 22 minute video. | Jan 13 13:28 |
| XRevan86 | excluding writing the script itself | Jan 13 13:29 |
| scientes | and you have to hit the right buttons on all these different forms | Jan 13 13:29 |
| scientes | he should rename it "escaping Crete" | Jan 13 13:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Do you have a reason to "explore" SAP programming or did it just capture your imagination? :) | Jan 13 13:33 |
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| scientes | well today I was just walking around and I couldn't really understand how the economy functions at all | Jan 13 13:37 |
| scientes | because I realized that EVERYONE gets banks that are just robbing them all the time | Jan 13 13:38 |
| scientes | and if I tried to start a business and my bank kept trying to nickle and dime me with fees that they didn't disclose upfront | Jan 13 13:38 |
| scientes | I would just close my business, and it would be clear I couldn't trust anyone | Jan 13 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | [13:22] <scientes> How can they even find people to sell this stuff? | Jan 13 14:00 |
| schestowitz | liars are cheap | Jan 13 14:00 |
| schestowitz | and you surround them with other liars | Jan 13 14:00 |
| schestowitz | so they feel adequate about lying | Jan 13 14:01 |
| schestowitz | SUSE is pushing SAP stuff | Jan 13 14:01 |
| schestowitz | It 's also run by a SAP Sales rep as CEO | Jan 13 14:01 |
| scientes | but wouldn't the suicide rate be sky high? | Jan 13 14:06 |
| scientes | https://www.sap.com/products/s4hana-erp/features/r-and-d.html | Jan 13 14:08 |
| scientes | what a load of bullshit | Jan 13 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ERP for Engineering, Research and Development | SAP S/4HANA | Jan 13 14:09 | |
| oiaohm | scientes: its kind of not all bullshit. You pay them money and lower skilled people can make stuff work in insecure ways so faster to working but not safe. | Jan 13 14:11 |
| scientes | yeah but what does accounting software have to do with R&D? | Jan 13 14:11 |
| scientes | all these "big" companies just do accounting software | Jan 13 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Just because you are doing R&D does not mean you don't have project management stuff todo. | Jan 13 14:14 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.sap.com/australia/products/project-portfolio-management.html << yes sap is not just accountancy. | Jan 13 14:14 |
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| scientes | that is all accounting | Jan 13 14:15 |
| scientes | various forms of accounting | Jan 13 14:15 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: that page is refering that its "Speed up product engineering processes" Note they say processes here they are meaning project management of processes. | Jan 13 14:15 |
| scientes | you mean accounting of processes? | Jan 13 14:16 |
| oiaohm | scientes: I am meaning exactly what I am saying https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management | Jan 13 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Project management - Wikipedia | Jan 13 14:17 | |
| scientes | looks like accounting to me | Jan 13 14:18 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RACIQ_Chart_-_Responsibility_Assignment_Matrix.jpg << stuff like this is in project management and its technically not accounting. | Jan 13 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:RACIQ Chart - Responsibility Assignment Matrix.jpg - Wikipedia | Jan 13 14:21 | |
| oiaohm | Its business process stuff. | Jan 13 14:21 |
| scientes | like asset management | Jan 13 14:21 |
| scientes | looks like accounting to me too | Jan 13 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Not that chart is without assets. | Jan 13 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Not/note | Jan 13 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Basically who should be doing what so you are not wasting your time when resources todo X are not here yet. | Jan 13 14:22 |
| oiaohm | scientes: basically project management covers accountancy but accountancy does not cover all of project management. All the improvements they tak about on that r-and-d page would happen if you implemented decent project management with decent policies. | Jan 13 14:25 |
| oiaohm | So its not exactly 100 percent false but its highly deceptive. | Jan 13 14:26 |
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| rianne__ | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-51061969/hired-by-weinstein-to-spy-on-celebrities | Jan 13 16:36 |
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| cybrNaut | schestowitz: this page might interest you for the #deleteGithub campaign => https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html | Jan 13 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | GNU Ethical Repository Criteria Evaluations - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Jan 13 17:11 | |
| cybrNaut | but note that gitlab is overrated.. they should have an "F" rating as well. | Jan 13 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | yeah | Jan 13 18:01 |
| schestowitz | it has its issues too | Jan 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | I can think of several | Jan 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | when people move from Hub to Lab they choose a lesser evil | Jan 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | like moving from msft to ibm/redhat | Jan 13 18:02 |
| scientes | hmmm, thank god for sugar | Jan 13 18:02 |
| scientes | what is wrong with gitlab? | Jan 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | CE, old Azure server, risk of takeover | Jan 13 18:03 |
| scientes | heh, sourceforge | Jan 13 18:04 |
| scientes | sourceforge is a joke | Jan 13 18:05 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/04/cf9869a8d6d87b37.jpg | Jan 13 18:06 |
| MinceR | you can use gitlab hosted elsewhere though | Jan 13 18:06 |
| MinceR | (it will still lag your browser like crazy on long discussion threads though) | Jan 13 18:06 |
| scientes | TBH i use git the way it was designed | Jan 13 18:07 |
| scientes | why did russia hate this page? https://cherurg.github.io/investing-coins/ | Jan 13 18:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cherurg.github.io | Как грамотно инвестировать в Биткоин, блокчейн и криптовалюты? | Jan 13 18:08 | |
| scientes | and why do they issue take down notices against simple proxies? https://thesnipergodproxy.github.io/ | Jan 13 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thesnipergodproxy.github.io | Free Web Proxy | Jan 13 18:09 | |
| XRevan86 | > old Azure server | Jan 13 18:09 |
| XRevan86 | Jan 13 18:09 | |
| scientes | this isn't China | Jan 13 18:09 |
| XRevan86 | They moved some time ago, IIRC | Jan 13 18:10 |
| scientes | suicide books | Jan 13 18:10 |
| scientes | man, these bueroceats are really trying to justify their jobs | Jan 13 18:10 |
| scientes | https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/blob/master/Russia/2019/2019-06-20-roskomnadzor.md | Jan 13 18:10 |
| scientes | suicide books | Jan 13 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gov-takedowns/2019-06-20-roskomnadzor.md at master · github/gov-takedowns · GitHub | Jan 13 18:10 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "suicide instructions" are one of the forbidden topics | Jan 13 18:12 |
| scientes | but anyone who is determined, you can't stop them | Jan 13 18:12 |
| XRevan86 | so much so that news sites avoid describing what happened | Jan 13 18:12 |
| scientes | I just watched a really cool RT documentary on eskimos | Jan 13 18:12 |
| MinceR | good luck with 'news sites' under putler's control anyway :> | Jan 13 18:13 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQeNOiYL3AQ | Jan 13 18:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Including independent ones | Jan 13 18:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Children of the Tundra (RT Documentary) - YouTube | Jan 13 18:13 | |
| XRevan86 | "A man committed [Roskomnadzor]" | Jan 13 18:13 |
| scientes | there is a second one too with some coverage of birth help in such remote places | Jan 13 18:13 |
| MinceR | well, yeah | Jan 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | independent people can be tortured and killed in russia all the same | Jan 13 18:14 |
| scientes | they can also "commit suicide" | Jan 13 18:14 |
| scientes | usually after getting involved in something political | Jan 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | yeah, i'm not up-to-date on official terminology :> | Jan 13 18:14 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I wonder if the top suicide method is "getting involved in too much politics" :> | Jan 13 18:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Can be generalised as "annoyed the wrong people" | Jan 13 18:16 |
| scientes | "wrote private letters criticizing Putin" | Jan 13 18:16 |
| MinceR | "being born in russia" | Jan 13 18:17 |
| scientes | ahh, that is what happened to Solietzen | Jan 13 18:17 |
| scientes | fucking thought crime | Jan 13 18:17 |
| scientes | hell, Putin is guity now, he criticized Lenin | Jan 13 18:18 |
| MinceR | Thought for the day: Thought begets Heresy; Heresy begets Retribution. | Jan 13 18:18 |
| scientes | MinceR, i liked that one: Reason begets thought. Thought begets heresy. | Jan 13 18:18 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 13 18:18 |
| scientes | i.e. why thinking is scary | Jan 13 18:19 |
| scientes | oh it was more complicated | Jan 13 18:20 |
| scientes | reason leads to doubt | Jan 13 18:20 |
| scientes | doubt leads to heresy | Jan 13 18:20 |
| MinceR | the one i've found is this: Reason begets doubt; Doubt begets heresy. | Jan 13 18:21 |
| MinceR | https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thought_for_the_day_(Q_-_Z) | Jan 13 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wh40k.lexicanum.com | Thought for the day (Q - Z) - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum | Jan 13 18:21 | |
| scientes | the github workflow sucks sooooo much | Jan 13 18:21 |
| scientes | I think people use it cause they came from windows | Jan 13 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | This reminded me of something | Jan 13 18:23 |
| XRevan86 | I wanted to say that so much so that GitHub Desktop was only released for Windows and macOS | Jan 13 18:23 |
| XRevan86 | https://desktop.github.com/ but it still is | Jan 13 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-desktop.github.com | GitHub Desktop | Simple collaboration from your desktop | Jan 13 18:23 | |
| scientes | yeah, i get a windows download link | Jan 13 18:25 |
| scientes | https://javascriptwtf.com/wtf/append-string-to-null | Jan 13 18:29 |
| scientes | my god | Jan 13 18:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-javascriptwtf.com | Appending a string to null treats it as a string | Javascript WTF | Jan 13 18:29 | |
| psydroid | because it sucks less than windows, so they are easily satisfied? | Jan 13 18:29 |
| MinceR | yes? | Jan 13 18:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Just a few days ago I was reading an article on eskimos on Wikipedia and was surprised to find out that their population numbers in North America are much higher than in Russia. | Jan 13 18:29 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I have a friend that taught them in Alaska for years | Jan 13 18:30 |
| scientes | and would get kids sometimes from Canada, and they would just enroll them | Jan 13 18:30 |
| scientes | there are not really border up there | Jan 13 18:30 |
| scientes | there is even a treaty between Russia and US that they can go back and forward to visit family | Jan 13 18:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Neat, didn't know about that. | Jan 13 18:30 |
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| scientes | but this documentary was in Russia | Jan 13 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | "RT" – really? %) | Jan 13 18:31 |
| scientes | well Vice is CIA AFAICT, but they are not really open about that | Jan 13 18:32 |
| scientes | especially their nutty anti-Gaddafi video | Jan 13 18:33 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, people in Russia don't necessarily know what RT is | Jan 13 18:34 |
| scientes | as it is Vesti domestically | Jan 13 18:34 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: There is a separate RT channel. | Jan 13 18:35 |
| scientes | and RT Spanish | Jan 13 18:35 |
| scientes | which is what I watch | Jan 13 18:35 |
| scientes | ohhh, RT in Russian? | Jan 13 18:35 |
| scientes | https://javascriptwtf.com/wtf/undefined-can-be-defined | Jan 13 18:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-javascriptwtf.com | Undefined can be defined | Javascript WTF | Jan 13 18:36 | |
| scientes | > '10' - 3 | Jan 13 18:37 |
| scientes | 7 | Jan 13 18:37 |
| scientes | > '10' + 3 | Jan 13 18:37 |
| scientes | '103' | Jan 13 18:37 |
| scientes | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA | Jan 13 18:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, in English, but I saw it on IPTV %) | Jan 13 18:37 |
| MinceR | maybe undefined behaves like null in sql | Jan 13 18:38 |
| MinceR | most of the wtfs in javascript stem from the language very eagerly automatically casting/converting values | Jan 13 18:38 |
| scientes | MinceR, that is why i prefer strongly typed languages | Jan 13 18:38 |
| XRevan86 | And + is both addition and concatenation | Jan 13 18:38 |
| MinceR | i prefer python and lisp | Jan 13 18:38 |
| XRevan86 | Some weakly typed languages use different symbols for concat | Jan 13 18:39 |
| XRevan86 | Like in Perl5 and PHP it's a dot, and in Raku it's ~ | Jan 13 18:40 |
| MinceR | using . for concatenation breaks field dereferencing though | Jan 13 18:42 |
| MinceR | C++ uses + for concatenation of std::string as well | Jan 13 18:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "dereferencing" is not something easy to find in such languages | Jan 13 18:43 |
| XRevan86 | Perl5 and PHP both only use -> | Jan 13 18:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But C++ is statically and strongly typed, so that doesn't matter much | Jan 13 18:45 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's the combination of weak dynamic typing and eager casting/conversion that causes the issue | Jan 13 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | And Perl5 with PHP are like that: print '2' + 2; → 4 | Jan 13 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | * Perl5, Raku and PHP | Jan 13 18:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: These are kind of the same thing %) | Jan 13 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | What I say is that JS made it worse by using + for two different operations. | Jan 13 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | * What I'm saying | Jan 13 18:49 |
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| XRevan86 | It's okay in a language like C++, because these are operations on different types, but with weak typing suddenly that's not the case. | Jan 13 18:50 |
| XRevan86 | not the case that it's okay that is | Jan 13 18:50 |
| scientes | > The first scenario? Handling calls when “all phone communication stopped working”. Gerald didn’t see much point in building a script for that scenario, but he gamely did his best to pad “we can’t answer the phones if they don’t ring” into a “script”. | Jan 13 18:53 |
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| XRevan86 | When a null is converted to string in PHP, it turns into an empty string. | Jan 13 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | So does false, but true turns into '1' | Jan 13 18:56 |
| scientes | even C does auto float/integer conversions | Jan 13 18:58 |
| scientes | which were a really bad idea | Jan 13 18:58 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Meanwhile, 1 / 2 is still 0 | Jan 13 18:59 |
| scientes | what about 1.0 / 2.0 ? | Jan 13 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: 0.5, of course. | Jan 13 19:00 |
| scientes | but yes, as you pointed out, horrible idea | Jan 13 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I mean, C has type coersion, but such cases are still inconvinient %) | Jan 13 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | and so everyone's upset | Jan 13 19:01 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: It's still annoying how verbose such converstions are made in Zig | Jan 13 19:03 |
| scientes | if you have an array of floats in C it doesn't auto convert | Jan 13 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | > C code I wrote 2 decade ago still works after all those years. Cannot say this about #php #python etc. with their #plannedobsolescence disguised as "novelty" of "innova~1" | Jan 13 19:06 |
| scientes | and it is even more verbose | Jan 13 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: PHP is fairly conservative with changes. | Jan 13 19:06 |
| scientes | XRevan86, they really are not that bad | Jan 13 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | even PHP 7 | Jan 13 19:06 |
| schestowitz | not too bad maybe | Jan 13 19:07 |
| schestowitz | but I saw software breaking due to upgrades | Jan 13 19:07 |
| scientes | schestowitz, https://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2020/01/13/mercurial%27s-journey-to-and-reflections-on-python-3/ | Jan 13 19:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gregoryszorc.com | Gregory Szorc's Digital Home | Mercurial's Journey to and Reflections on Python 3 | Jan 13 19:09 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I had someone complain that PHP 7 removed the "mysql" extension. He wrote code somewhere in 2014 and he didn't like how "mysqli" looks (having an "i" there). | Jan 13 19:09 |
| scientes | i don't like python | Jan 13 19:09 |
| scientes | because its way of handling strings is IMHO wrong | Jan 13 19:10 |
| danielp3344 | It's good for quick hacks | Jan 13 19:10 |
| danielp3344 | and web sites | Jan 13 19:10 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's really hard to feel for them when their crap breaks, when they use an extension which has been deprecated for a decade. | Jan 13 19:10 |
| danielp3344 | othen than that yeah | Jan 13 19:10 |
| danielp3344 | other* | Jan 13 19:10 |
| scientes | Python 3.0 was released on December 3, 2008. And it took the better part of a decade for the community to embrace it. This should be universally recognized as a failure. | Jan 13 19:10 |
| danielp3344 | lol | Jan 13 19:10 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What's wrong with how it handles strings? | Jan 13 19:11 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it isn't utf-8 | Jan 13 19:11 |
| scientes | which is all I want to think about | Jan 13 19:11 |
| danielp3344 | python is basically one step above bash | Jan 13 19:12 |
| danielp3344 | in my head anw | Jan 13 19:12 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What are you even talking about | Jan 13 19:12 |
| scientes | XRevan86, strings in python 3 are arrays of unicode code points | Jan 13 19:12 |
| scientes | its madness | Jan 13 19:12 |
| scientes | its basically utf-32 | Jan 13 19:12 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What does that change? | Jan 13 19:14 |
| scientes | everything | Jan 13 19:14 |
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| scientes | that blog post complaines extensively about it | Jan 13 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: If you want to send it somewhere, you need to "encode" it anyway. | Jan 13 19:15 |
| scientes | like in python you can't even open a file that is not utf-8 | Jan 13 19:15 |
| scientes | *the filename is not utf-8 | Jan 13 19:16 |
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| XRevan86 | > A path-like object is either a str or bytes object representing a path, or an object implementing the os.PathLike protocol. | Jan 13 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | > or bytes | Jan 13 19:17 |
| scientes | they make everything dealing with strings way too complicated | Jan 13 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: If you want a raw string, there is one. | Jan 13 19:17 |
| scientes | the simple solution is to just use utf-8 everywhere (but not necessarily validated so you can use arbitrary bytes too) | Jan 13 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | If you don't want a raw string, here's unicode. | Jan 13 19:18 |
| scientes | but python is trying to fix something that is not broken | Jan 13 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | Just throw bytes at it, what's wrong with that? | Jan 13 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | If you want to display a raw string (bytes), you just decode it: https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#bytes.decode | Jan 13 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.python.org | Built-in Types — Python 3.8.1 documentation | Jan 13 19:20 | |
| XRevan86 | and there are options how it will be validated (no, you can't just display a raw mess) | Jan 13 19:20 |
| scientes | XRevan86, no other language makes this stuff so enormously complex | Jan 13 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That you don't have to actually bother to make sure whether your string is proper? | Jan 13 19:21 |
| scientes | because python will crash if it is not? | Jan 13 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It just can't be. | Jan 13 19:21 |
| MinceR | iirc there was some trickery at least to use non-unicode stdin/stdout | Jan 13 19:22 |
| scientes | exactly | Jan 13 19:22 |
| scientes | why does this stuff have to be hacks | Jan 13 19:22 |
| scientes | its friggen crazy | Jan 13 19:22 |
| scientes | people need to stop fixing things that are not broken | Jan 13 19:22 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jan 13 19:22 |
| MinceR | welcome to the world of IT | Jan 13 19:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's bytes by default | Jan 13 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | to get a unicode string, you actually need to pass an additional parameter to subprocess | Jan 13 19:23 |
| MinceR | your own process, i mean | Jan 13 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's just file objects | Jan 13 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | then | Jan 13 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | "open" can be used with bytes | Jan 13 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, wait, those are already open. | Jan 13 19:26 |
| MinceR | you can probably reopen them anyway :> | Jan 13 19:26 |
| MinceR | maybe that's what the trick used | Jan 13 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | https://docs.python.org/3/library/sys.html#sys.stdin | Jan 13 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | > Note: To write or read binary data from/to the standard streams, use the underlying binary buffer object. For example, to write bytes to stdout, use sys.stdout.buffer.write(b'abc'). | Jan 13 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.python.org | sys — System-specific parameters and functions — Python 3.8.1 documentation | Jan 13 19:26 | |
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| MinceR | :) | Jan 13 19:27 |
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| XRevan86 | At least it's right there on a visible place in the docs | Jan 13 19:39 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20011045 | Jan 13 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 13 19:42 | |
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| MinceR | smnthermes: why the constant part/join? | Jan 13 19:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "But, if you have a computer that’s more than three years old, Microsoft suggests buying a new computer that runs Windows 10." | Jan 13 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 😂 | Jan 13 19:47 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 13 19:48 |
| danielp3344 | <MinceR "https://ircz.de/p/20011045"> ROFL | Jan 13 19:50 |
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| XRevan86 | https://techrepublic.com/article/upgrade-from-windows-7-to-windows-10-on-the-same-hardware/ (2015) | Jan 13 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10, on the same hardware? - TechRepublic | Jan 13 19:52 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Conda, Firefox 73 and Mozilla Weighs in on Google v Oracle (SCOTUS) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132837 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0d4842d1-b342-4f75-83b6-4de4485b7d7e] | Jan 13 19:52 | |
| danielp3344 | I've helped more than one person upgrade from win7 to debian because of this | Jan 13 19:53 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: VVVVVV, Chronicon, Tooth and Tail http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132838 [https://pleroma.site/objects/47defb44-335b-45f9-a4de-aaada96a001b] | Jan 13 19:55 | |
| XRevan86 | Since 2015 many upgrades came to Windows 10, fixing bugs and improving performance | Jan 13 19:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 13 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | now officially it can't even run on anything older than 3 years | Jan 13 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | makes perfect sense, no? | Jan 13 19:56 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132839 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6c0e7c4b-cd43-4b50-997f-013f109e6973] | Jan 13 19:57 | |
| XRevan86 | To be serious, I don't actually know whether Windows 10 got slower or faster, but I can definitely say that it was never on a par with Windows 7 despite Microsoft selling a different story. | Jan 13 19:58 |
| psydroid | it absolutely makes perfect sense | Jan 13 20:01 |
| psydroid | no new hardware means no new windows believers | Jan 13 20:01 |
| psydroid | and no new income from hardware sales | Jan 13 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | And it's also cute how new hardware with 2G of RAM and Windows 10 keeps popping up because that meets the official requirements. | Jan 13 20:03 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: Not exactly https://www.intel.com.au/content/www/au/en/support/articles/000006105/processors.html | Jan 13 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.intel.com.au | Does My Intel® Processor Support Microsoft Windows® 10? | Jan 13 20:03 | |
| oiaohm | Microsoft writes up the specifications for the windows OS. IN the case of Windows 10 this is not that limiting. | Jan 13 20:04 |
| oiaohm | Then your hardware vendors ie motherboard, cpu ... write up another list. | Jan 13 20:04 |
| oiaohm | And if you machine does not meet all those lists you are screwed. | Jan 13 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | At the same time Windows checks requirements with every "upgrade", so if they suddenly get honest and bump the RAM requirements, that will cause millions of machines with Windows 10 that refuses to upgrade. | Jan 13 20:05 |
| MinceR | lucky users | Jan 13 20:06 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: against the vendors lists that provide Microsoft with drivers. | Jan 13 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | Although it's their code, maybe they can just remove that crap. | Jan 13 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not really, it's still Windows 10 | Jan 13 20:07 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I have seen the difference betweein windows 10 enterprise and windows OEM stuff. | Jan 13 20:07 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: yeah, but one of the bigger misfeatures gets disabled :> | Jan 13 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: The one called LTSC? | Jan 13 20:07 |
| oiaohm | Some how I think the ram specifications Microsoft put up is correct for enterprise with all the extra crap the OEM stuff has enabled by default disabled. | Jan 13 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's true %) | Jan 13 20:07 |
| MinceR | and if they disable the whole thing, that's an extra incentive for upgrading to a free unix | Jan 13 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm just trying to rationalise their actions, my personal preference is https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/613/025/b64.jpg | Jan 13 20:09 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 13 20:09 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I was not classing LTSC as as split off. The general enterprise version the auto install application is off a lot of the advertising stuff is off and s on . | Jan 13 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I think that even then 2G is pushing it | Jan 13 20:11 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: windows 10 with all the crap turned off comes in under 1G. | Jan 13 20:12 |
| oiaohm | of ram. | Jan 13 20:12 |
| oiaohm | Of course that is not how your default upgrade from existing windows 7 install is going to be. | Jan 13 20:12 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: So from what I have seen the 2G is right for a clean enterprise windows 10 install. | Jan 13 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > To be serious, I don't actually know whether Windows 10 got slower or faster, but I can definitely say that it was never on a par with Windows 7 despite Microsoft selling a different story. | Jan 13 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Phoronix tested Windows 10 against itself with a program that put all the spyware you can toggle off in one place, and when you toggled all the spyware off it was nearly as fast as Linux. | Jan 13 20:13 |
| oiaohm | everything else without a lot of work cleaning up you are shot. | Jan 13 20:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 is about 20% slower than Ubuntu and about 15% slower than itself woth all the spyware you can toggle turned off. | Jan 13 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > At the same time Windows checks requirements with every "upgrade", so if they suddenly get honest and bump the RAM requirements, that will cause millions of machines with Windows 10 that refuses to upgrade. | Jan 13 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft has quietly done this with some people. They stop sending major updates and create a special "desert island" build that gets 18 months of security patches and nothing else. | Jan 13 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So some people would have been supported longer if they had been using Windows 7 vs Windows 10. | Jan 13 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The first desert island build of 10 that I know of was like 2016. | Jan 13 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > XRevan86: I was not classing LTSC as as split off. The general enterprise version the auto install application is off a lot of the advertising stuff is off and s on . | Jan 13 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft could very easily drop people with unsupported hardware off on the next LTSC, but then it would get to sound the alarm that they needed new computers immediately. | Jan 13 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *wouldn't | Jan 13 20:17 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/04/94e62f89f40bbfc1.jpg | Jan 13 20:18 |
| psydroid | A year or so ago my cousin bought some used 2-in-1 device with 2 GB of memory and worn out eMMC flash that was shipped with Windows 7 for €40. I helped him to get Fedora 64-bit with 32-bit UEFI support running on a USB flash drive, but he was not happy with it not being able to run online Flash games and eventually managed to break the device and threw it away | Jan 13 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By silently dropping them off on a desert island and then popping nag screens up if their computer is still alive 18 months later, they get more working PCs thrown in a landfill, and thus more sales for themselves and Intel. | Jan 13 20:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I assume someone got force-healed in the sequels | Jan 13 20:19 |
| XRevan86 | so many jokes around that | Jan 13 20:19 |
| MinceR | i don't think i've seen that yet | Jan 13 20:19 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't bother with the sequels. Considering the reviews on the last film, rightly so. | Jan 13 20:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I simply cannot believe that Fedora works on every single x86-64 processor from 2005 (15 years ago) onwards, and Windows 10 "needs" something from the past 3 years. | Jan 13 20:20 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: its not 3 years its a bit longer than that. | Jan 13 20:21 |
| MinceR | so fedora still isn't "modern" enough yet | Jan 13 20:21 |
| MinceR | i think poettering will fix that one of these days | Jan 13 20:21 |
| MinceR | after all, running on "old" hardware isn't "modern" | Jan 13 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's bullshit. The instruction set has changed, but even if some of the newer operations are double the speed, and very few are, it doesn't make much difference because you're only as fast as the slowest operations in many cases. | Jan 13 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you heavily optimize and the program as a whole is not much faster just for that. | Jan 13 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Meanwhile, you lose half your potential users. | Jan 13 20:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: you can get 2013 intel process that will run Windows 10 just fine. | Jan 13 20:24 |
| oiaohm | But that is your upper limit | Jan 13 20:24 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: under 3 years is normally screwed by motherboard drivers not cpu. | Jan 13 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We actually didn't even bother doing i686 for the 32-bit packages for a long time because of that. Finally, on the eve of 32-bit Fedora being dropped and the remaining packages being for compatibility, it all gets bunoed from i586 to i686 and 32-bit software is suddenly....1% faster, maybe. | Jan 13 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The original 2015 Windows 10 ran on my Phenom II X4 965. | Jan 13 20:26 |
| MinceR | "ran"? :> | Jan 13 20:26 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: that was not on the list of supported chips. | Jan 13 20:26 |
| XRevan86 | crawled? | Jan 13 20:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | A processor from 2009. | Jan 13 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > crawled? | Jan 13 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, it ran fine. | Jan 13 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What was hilarious was that it was a BIOS PC and I had shoved an OEM certificate in to make Windows 7 Ultimate Edition work. | Jan 13 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And Windows 10 offers a free upgrade and it's the Professional Edition activated. | Jan 13 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What most people don't seem to realize is that activation is like one of those paper tiger paywalls on a news site. It barks but never bites. | Jan 13 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > after all, running on "old" hardware isn't "modern" | Jan 13 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About the only hard requirement for Fedora is an x86-64 PC. For GNOME and KDE, it's higher. | Jan 13 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Something from 2010 or latee should still work. | Jan 13 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mainly you're dealing with graphica requirements at this point. | Jan 13 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't recall what the bare minimum was, but at one point the GNOME Shell said OpenGL 2 graphics card was fine. | Jan 13 20:32 |
| MinceR | funny little holdovers from the era when "Linux" users were supposed to have choices :> | Jan 13 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of the really nasty special case code in there is dealing with Nvidia. | Jan 13 20:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | And in some cases, Nvidia's driver handles things so wrong that your CPU is sitting there spinning at 100%. | Jan 13 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of these issues was fixed recently in GNOME 3.34. | Jan 13 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft and Apple start turning up the heat on you until you can't stand it anymore because they're trying to sell more hardware. | Jan 13 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My husband is using a 2008 Mac with a very old MS Office and Chrome. That's exactly what a lot of people do. Just use the last version that could possibly work. | Jan 13 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Meanwhile, more security problems are discovered. | Jan 13 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't even know what version of Chrome it is. | Jan 13 20:40 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: per core performance has not really increase much in the past 10 to 15 years, | Jan 13 20:41 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I get old MS Office, but Chrome? Is he mad? What kind of husbands do you pick? :D | Jan 13 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 7 won't be going anywhere for a while. Microsoft has made sure of that becauae the least most people see is $140 for Windows 10 for an old computer, and Microsoft immediately discourages that and says buy a new computer. | Jan 13 20:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: reality is Microsoft is still allowing the free upgrades | Jan 13 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: I get old MS Office, but Chrome? Is he mad? What kind of husbands do you pick? :D | Jan 13 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose I could try putting Seamonkey on it if it still works and I can figure out how to use a Mac. | Jan 13 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | I think the biggest reason is that Windows 10 is flipping annoying. | Jan 13 20:43 |
| oiaohm | I would agree windows 10 is being mega annoying. | Jan 13 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For some reason it was easier to use Linux 20 years ago when X11 was asking about your modelines than it is to figure out how to drag a window across the screen on a Mac today. | Jan 13 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | So unlike Windows XP, Windows 7 will continue to be widely used. | Jan 13 20:43 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 will die. | Jan 13 20:44 |
| oiaohm | Windows XP people said they would stick to that as well. | Jan 13 20:44 |
| oiaohm | It will die out for the same reason as Xp | Jan 13 20:44 |
| oiaohm | You buy a new machine it will not work. | Jan 13 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Mac is a usability disaster. They manage to take everything Windows managed to do right and get that wrong too and then charge a boatload of money for it. | Jan 13 20:44 |
| MinceR | that's not a long list though | Jan 13 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: When Windows XP's support expired, all software deprecated it almost immediately | Jan 13 20:45 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I doubt this will happen now | Jan 13 20:45 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I have already seen software dropping windows 7 support. | Jan 13 20:45 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: most critical being drivers. | Jan 13 20:45 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Who are those brave idiots? | Jan 13 20:45 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Next release of HP printers for 1 don't have windows 7 drivers at all. | Jan 13 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox can't afford to drop Windows 7. | Jan 13 20:46 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: windows developers | Jan 13 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | I guess drivers, yes, as they're working with Microsoft. | Jan 13 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why would you need special drivers for a printer? | Jan 13 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, is HP still making you download a 500 MB driver that spews crapware all over your Windows PC? | Jan 13 20:47 |
| MinceR | because it's a special printer | Jan 13 20:48 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: stupid as it sounds on Windows 7 you need a driver for what is called driverless printing. | Jan 13 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Is it a newer concept than serverless or older? | Jan 13 20:48 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/570057.jpg | Jan 13 20:48 |
| MinceR | and a special "operating system" | Jan 13 20:49 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting its this stuff. | Jan 13 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.debian.org | CUPSDriverlessPrinting - Debian Wiki | Jan 13 20:49 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | HP makes nasty printers that stop using a 90% full ink cartridge becauae you haven't bought ink lately. | Jan 13 20:49 |
| MinceR | does hp make anything that _isn't_ nasty? | Jan 13 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they want $60 for ink. | Jan 13 20:50 |
| oiaohm | Hp laser printers are decent. | Jan 13 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | According to Debian, Apple's AirPrint should work on Linux. | Jan 13 20:51 |
| MinceR | yeah, if you want a "printer" that can't feed a page straight, ever | Jan 13 20:51 |
| MinceR | and you like paper jams | Jan 13 20:51 |
| oiaohm | hp inkjets run a mile. | Jan 13 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But if anyone managed to make printing that doesn't involve pulling your hair out. I'd be surprised. Much less Apple. | Jan 13 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > yeah, if you want a "printer" that can't feed a page straight, ever | Jan 13 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I had an HP printer where you didn't dare put in more than one page at a time. | Jan 13 20:52 |
| *psydroid is using a Brother all-in-one laserprinter/scanner now | Jan 13 20:52 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have a lot of hp laser be really good. Mind you there are a few that come out the factory/shipping that when you do the physical check as per service manaul for is the machine square the machine is not square. | Jan 13 20:52 |
| MinceR | well, mine isn't good | Jan 13 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or else it would suck in like 8 of them and go ONK ONK ONK! | Jan 13 20:52 |
| MinceR | it's shit | Jan 13 20:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if the printer is not square hello printer jam hell. | Jan 13 20:52 |
| MinceR | but i gave up on it long ago | Jan 13 20:52 |
| MinceR | instead i print at my employer's office when i have one | Jan 13 20:53 |
| MinceR | and a local print shop when i don't | Jan 13 20:53 |
| MinceR | and it happens very rarely anyway | Jan 13 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR I found out hitting the button to resume printing with every page was less of a disaster than that. | Jan 13 20:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: funny part is it a simple service with a small sledge hammer and a bit steel in correct place to bend it back into shape. | Jan 13 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | HP makes awful printers. | Jan 13 20:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 13 20:54 |
| MinceR | they make awful laptops too | Jan 13 20:54 |
| oiaohm | of course someone seeing you swing a sledge hammer in direction of printer makes them worried. | Jan 13 20:54 |
| MinceR | just tell them it's an hp printer | Jan 13 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Office workers that end up in hell will get Windows XP and an HP printer and be forced to print forever. | Jan 13 20:54 |
| oiaohm | Its better than a xerox bent as there is no fix for a xerox lazer bent. | Jan 13 20:55 |
| MinceR | no, they'll get Backdoors10 | Jan 13 20:55 |
| MinceR | or macos | Jan 13 20:55 |
| oiaohm | HP lazers are fixable | Jan 13 20:55 |
| MinceR | throw it out and get a non-hp? :> | Jan 13 20:55 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes in ways that scare the crap out of people. | Jan 13 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And scan! Trying to figure out how to scan while being whipped. | Jan 13 20:55 |
| oiaohm | Brothers and xerox type printers it is throw out. | Jan 13 20:56 |
| MinceR | or maybe they'll get that future version of systemd/gnome which has finally caught up to backdoors/macos | Jan 13 20:56 |
| oiaohm | and replaced if bent frame. | Jan 13 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I tried to figure out how to scan something with an OfficeJet with XP. | Jan 13 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After 3 hours I gave up and drove to the library. | Jan 13 20:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have done a lot of servicing on printers. | Jan 13 20:56 |
| oiaohm | The two repairable are HP lazers and sharp lazers. | Jan 13 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Curiously, accepting all of the shovelware was the second thing I tried. | Jan 13 20:56 |
| oiaohm | Most of the other you have to have a lucky model. | Jan 13 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First I tried something called Windows Scan and Fax and that was useless. | Jan 13 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The shovelware from HP had some trial scanning software, but that didn't do anything either. | Jan 13 20:57 |
| oiaohm | Officejet class with HP it really depends on model how much hell. | Jan 13 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Setting up AT&T DSL was the worst experience ever. They had a Windows program that activated the modem and then put crapware all over your computer. | Jan 13 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After trying to explain what Fedora was, I told her "Just pretend I don't have a computer. Can you activate this modem on your end?". | Jan 13 20:59 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough for all the hell HP printer drivers under Linux are decent. | Jan 13 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So after 20 minutes, she hit a button. | Jan 13 20:59 |
| oiaohm | Worst I had was 4 month dispute to get telephone guy back to do cabling right. | Jan 13 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uhm, I had to have Comcast come out and dig up a line to an entire apartment complex. | Jan 13 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who were working for the city were trying to dig a ditch deeper over by the river so the flood water wouldn't flood out the neighborhood anymore. | Jan 13 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They ended up snagging a Comcast line. | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The river had overflowed into a neighborhood after it rained nonstop for like 13 days. I had never seen anything like it. | Jan 13 21:03 |
| oiaohm | That kind of stuff is something as gone wrong that could not have been seen. Normally because cable has come up though the ground. | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The river was flowing less than 15 feet from my apartment. | Jan 13 21:04 |
| oiaohm | Ie they thought they were digging well clear of cable | Jan 13 21:04 |
| oiaohm | I have seen a cable creep up from being dug 3 under ground to 3cm underground. | Jan 13 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only reason I didn't get flooded out was because they put me in the apartment on top of a hill that was about 4 feet up from the rest. | Jan 13 21:04 |
| oiaohm | 3m under ground to 3cm underground. | Jan 13 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was pretty frightening watching the river inch closer to my apartment. | Jan 13 21:05 |
| oiaohm | One I had it was telephone provider side wrong. I am a license cabler I am saying it wrong and they are refusing to come back to fix unless I pay 150AUD. | Jan 13 21:05 |
| oiaohm | after going right to government dispute process they decided they better send someone out to check | Jan 13 21:06 |
| oiaohm | and it was like darn we need to redo the complete job because everything wrong. | Jan 13 21:06 |
| oiaohm | and I mean everything. | Jan 13 21:06 |
| MinceR | how does cable creep up? | Jan 13 21:06 |
| oiaohm | Wall socket, Grade of cable, depth of cable in ground.... | Jan 13 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm glad ffmpeg developed their own Wavpack codec. | Jan 13 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The upstream is open source, but having another implementation can't hurt. | Jan 13 21:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: soil being heavier than cable. | Jan 13 21:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and in some natural virbration it going to over time float in the soil. | Jan 13 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hard to think of all the thinga that can go wrong if a project is literally one guy. | Jan 13 21:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: earthquake? | Jan 13 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Linus Torvalds will eventually not be there anymore. People have openly wondered what happens then. | Jan 13 21:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: trucks cars driving by is enough vibration. This is a over time thing that can take a decade or two. | Jan 13 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The takeois complete I guess | Jan 13 21:08 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 13 21:08 |
| oiaohm | eathquake could make it really fast float. | Jan 13 21:09 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: he's practically already not there | Jan 13 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *Takeover is | Jan 13 21:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its one of the odd things after earthquakes in some places where you find some types of cables almost laying on the surface. | Jan 13 21:09 |
| oiaohm | Even they they were well dug in. | Jan 13 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: he's practically already not there | Jan 13 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Re-education camp. | Jan 13 21:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct it really rare to have cable over time sink into the ground. | Jan 13 21:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its way more likely to float. | Jan 13 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone gave my husband a Galaxy J7. | Jan 13 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Still more capable than his iPhone 8. | Jan 13 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple says they censor the apps to ensure a good user experience. | Jan 13 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm able to figure out what I consider a good user experience without being manipulated. | Jan 13 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like New Jersey saying you can't pump your own gas, for safety. Apparently some guy making $8 an hour can do it more safely. They sent him to gas pumping college. | Jan 13 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: J7 or J7 (2017)? | Jan 13 21:15 |
| MinceR | any android phone is more capable than any hypePhone | Jan 13 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | J7 Star....whatever that is. | Jan 13 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | A T-Mobile locked version? | Jan 13 21:16 |
| MinceR | could be just a stripped down cheap version | Jan 13 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | > Operating System: Android 8.0 | Jan 13 21:17 |
| MinceR | they had a lot of such for the Galaxy S series | Jan 13 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple still running Privacy commercials. | Jan 13 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | According to Snowden, Apple joined the NSA warrantless spying program PRISM about the same time Google did. | Jan 13 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > A T-Mobile locked version? | Jan 13 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you paid it off, they have to unlock it. Federal law. | Jan 13 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sprint unlocks it so you can uae it on other CDMA carriers, but then they use special CDMA frequencies that Verizon doesn't have. | Jan 13 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not totally useless though. | Jan 13 21:18 |
| MinceR | apparently having your dick picks downloaded from hypeCloud and then leaked is that crApple calls "Privacy" | Jan 13 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | "Do you like Privacy? Hm, remove gapps from your Android, stay away from iPhone's, avoid uploading your data to claut services" | Jan 13 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | something like that? | Jan 13 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sprint leases their network time to some MVNOs. | Jan 13 21:18 |
| MinceR | s/s th/s wh/ | Jan 13 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cloud Computing....upload all your documents straight to the NSA with Office 365. | Jan 13 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | OmgUbuntu Approved. | Jan 13 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I need to go to New Jersey. The state makes gas stations hire people to pump gas and the minimum wage is going to $15 an hour. | Jan 13 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I like doing dull repetitive tasks for a disproportionate amount of money | Jan 13 21:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I would not say any Android phone is better than a hypephone. The first generation android 1.0 Telstra android phone the OS was on rom with no third party apps It was a feature phone with a nicely looking gui. | Jan 13 21:21 |
| oiaohm | any you can currently buy. | Jan 13 21:22 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Sticking a pipe into a car and then waiting for a few minutes? | Jan 13 21:22 |
| oiaohm | are not like that. | Jan 13 21:22 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so, pretty much on par with a hypePhone, except with a nice looking gui | Jan 13 21:22 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: That's technically… too much | Jan 13 21:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I said nice looking GUI not that the GUI worked. | Jan 13 21:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, i got that | Jan 13 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: Sticking a pipe into a car and then waiting for a few minutes? | Jan 13 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. The Democrats won't repeal the law that makes it illegal to pump your own gas because the unemployment rate is already horrendous. | Jan 13 21:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: nothing like trying to dial on a phone where the numbers are half a button out of alignment. | Jan 13 21:24 |
| oiaohm | with screen. | Jan 13 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe their New Jersey solution would work in Illinois? | Jan 13 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Soon we too can honk for 15 minutes trying to get an attendant and then commmit a felony to gas up our own cars. | Jan 13 21:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that a android phone where a iphone was better. As making a phone call on it was basically a trip to hell. | Jan 13 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Betrer get on the horn to governor Pritzker. | Jan 13 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: First they mock the USSR, then they do this | Jan 13 21:24 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: isn't hell where you go when your hypePhone explodes while you're trying to talk with it? | Jan 13 21:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that out of alignment was vertial so you attempt to push 1 and you are dialing 4. | Jan 13 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder what the Russian version of Misdemeanor and Felony is. | Jan 13 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shot and shot twice? | Jan 13 21:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that android phone had the exploding battery as well. It was recalled for that twice. | Jan 13 21:25 |
| MinceR | not that the number you input into a hypePhone matters when it can't even contact the base station because as you hold the alleged phone, your hand is short-circuiting the antenna :> | Jan 13 21:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: as in recalled it once to replace battery and the replacement was lemon as well. | Jan 13 21:26 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: at least they recalled it, and didn't lie about it | Jan 13 21:26 |
| MinceR | they didn't call it "isolated incidents" | Jan 13 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR They make it way too easy to call 911 on an Android, except when you need to. | Jan 13 21:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wrong. | Jan 13 21:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I butt dialed 911 one time and they thought I was kidnapping my mother. | Jan 13 21:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: telsra also attempted to call it isolated incidents. | Jan 13 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Do I understand it right that Misdemeanor is an administrative case? | Jan 13 21:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: this was a year before apple problems by the way. | Jan 13 21:27 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that's the closest hypePhone clone i've heard of so far! | Jan 13 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But when I got viciously attacked by someone I was dating, my phone wants the nuclear launch code. | Jan 13 21:27 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: that's just all 0-s | Jan 13 21:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: final recall was just give as the phone back and we are scraping it. | Jan 13 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, I'm getting bitten and punched and having my nose nearly broken. | Jan 13 21:28 |
| oiaohm | and we will give you a new phone for free. | Jan 13 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | ah, no, it's not, still criminal | Jan 13 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The phone is going sorry try again. | Jan 13 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Seriously, there's no such distinction. | Jan 13 21:28 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and so they gave users a phone that was far better than any hypePhone will ever be? | Jan 13 21:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: they gave a basic zte feature phone instead. | Jan 13 21:28 |
| MinceR | did it have j2me? | Jan 13 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86 ,Generally a misdemeanor means you are facing a maximum of 1 year in county jail or 2 years probation. | Jan 13 21:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so basic no third party applications. | Jan 13 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state does not need to indict you. | Jan 13 21:29 |
| MinceR | ah, so hypePhone level again | Jan 13 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can't strip you of your right to vote, and it's less likely to affect housing, employment, and security clearances later. | Jan 13 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A felony is a more serious accusation, so the state has to assemble a grand jury first to indict you. Which is easier than conviction. | Jan 13 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A grand jury is usually 24 people and 13 of them have to agree it's more likely than not for the trial to proceed. | Jan 13 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: More than enough information, I'm trying to map that on civil law | Jan 13 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A felony can result in pretty much any punishment that doesn't go against cruel and unusual as decided by the courts. | Jan 13 21:32 |
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| XRevan86 | and it still looks like it's kind of like an administrative vs. a criminal case | Jan 13 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Prosecutors are lazy. They'll throw misdemeanors at you if it's a wobbler most of the time. | Jan 13 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like tossing a grenade at you and then saying "What do you want to do about this?" | Jan 13 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The standard for a trial conviction is exactly the same in both cases. 12 jurors have to agree you're guilty. Still, it happens like 86% of the time. | Jan 13 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you have a strong incentive to plead guilty to a lesser offense if there's an offer like that. | Jan 13 21:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.ztemobiles.com.au/T126.htm There is only one advantage over a hypephone. User replaceable battery. Other than that totally suxs. | Jan 13 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ztemobiles.com.au | Telstra Cruise - T126 | Jan 13 21:35 | |
| MinceR | the antenna also seems to suck less | Jan 13 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prosecutor gauges how likely they are to win at a trial, and how much effort your particular case is worth to them. If you're lucky, they'll decide their case is pretty flimsy and they have bigger fish to fry. | Jan 13 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'll offer a fairly lenient deal. | Jan 13 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Im my case, I told my lawyer that under no circumstances would I plead guilty to the original charges and if the prosecutor demanded anything more than one count of C Misdemeanor Disorderly Conduct, we were going to trial. | Jan 13 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the prosecutor accepted my offer. | Jan 13 21:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | He didn't know it at thw time, but if he had waited a few days, he could have countered with a much harsher offer | Jan 13 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why I told my lawyer "We're desperate, but don't let them know it." | Jan 13 21:38 |
| *XRevan86 opened | Jan 13 21:38 | |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States | Jan 13 21:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | United States - Wikipedia | Jan 13 21:39 | |
| XRevan86 | > By race: White, Black, Asian, … | Jan 13 21:39 |
| XRevan86 | TIL that White Americans is a race | Jan 13 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, black people are like 13% of the population and 86% of the people in prison. | Jan 13 21:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is another area I forgot the thing has decent range and a 7 day standby battery life. | Jan 13 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They go aftee skin color in court way harder than what you did. | Jan 13 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The stats prove that. | Jan 13 21:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so, a much better phone than any hypePhone | Jan 13 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone in Chicago pulled a knife on me, and the plea deal was about 10 times harsher. | Jan 13 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And he took it. | Jan 13 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Err, gun I mean. | Jan 13 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Law says Aggravated Assault is the charge, gun or knife. | Jan 13 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I just mean that there classification of what is a race is most peculiar | Jan 13 21:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: put it this way it was a hell of a upgrade over telstra first android phone They managed to have that first android phone with only 6 hours battery life. | Jan 13 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the state accused me of the same crime and two counts no less. | Jan 13 21:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: as well as all the other hazards. | Jan 13 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I get a few months probation and a $1000 fine. | Jan 13 21:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so it is possible to make a phone worse than a hypephone. | Jan 13 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The black dude got 2 years house arrest. | Jan 13 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With ankle monitor. | Jan 13 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A $5,000 fine. | Jan 13 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | And here I thought they are Europid, Negroid, Mongoloid and misc. | Jan 13 21:42 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: sure, but not easy | Jan 13 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: I just mean that there classification of what is a race is most peculiar | Jan 13 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, there's white Hispanic and white non-Hispanic on the census. | Jan 13 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: At least that's in "ethnicity" | Jan 13 21:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I would say fairly easy in fact just go for the cheapest possbile supplier. | Jan 13 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The black people kicked up a fuss about Negro last time. | Jan 13 21:43 |
| Hail_Spacecake | there's no real distinction between ethnicity and race | Jan 13 21:43 |
| Hail_Spacecake | they're both collections of genetically-related people | Jan 13 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Negro was on the census in 2010. Obama said it was because some of the older people identified that way. | Jan 13 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: As an "ethnicity" or "race"? | Jan 13 21:44 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it's hard to outdo the people crApple calls "engineers" | Jan 13 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It had African American, Black, and Negro, but it was counted under black. | Jan 13 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: As an "ethnicity" or "race"? | Jan 13 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Census counts race. Not ethnicity. | Jan 13 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They also came under fire because gay people couldn't get married federally last Census, but could ubder some state laws. | Jan 13 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Did it have multiple choice? :) | Jan 13 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the Census ended up acxepting it if you said Married because of state law. | Jan 13 21:46 |
| Hail_Spacecake | or equivalently any distinction the census counts is a racial rather than ethnic distinction, precisely becuase the census counts it | Jan 13 21:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the cheapest possible supplier production line what is QA. | Jan 13 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: Did it have multiple choice? :) | Jan 13 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes. If you get their American Community Survey it's like 80 some questions. | Jan 13 21:47 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: same with crApple | Jan 13 21:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so it really easy to out of crApple calls engineers when you have a production line that just cares that it looks assenbled not that it is. | Jan 13 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I mean, for race | Jan 13 21:47 |
| oiaohm | Apple has QA on production lines. | Jan 13 21:47 |
| oiaohm | So one level above the cheapest. | Jan 13 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86 Yeah. If you are biracial there's a box for that. | Jan 13 21:47 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the antenna was the outside by design, and the CEO's explanation was "you're holding it wrong" | Jan 13 21:47 |
| MinceR | and it was also uninsulated by design | Jan 13 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd check that and then white and blacl or whatever, I think. | Jan 13 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's instructions. | Jan 13 21:48 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Ouch, this brings up another thing: who isn't biracial? | Jan 13 21:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that of course beaten by forgotting to put antenna in at all. | Jan 13 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told them my name and that there was 1 person in my house and mailed the rest in blank. | Jan 13 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had census people show up at my door and told them no thank you. | Jan 13 21:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cheapest possible supply is a really simple way to out do apple on horrible. | Jan 13 21:48 |
| MinceR | i'm still not convinced | Jan 13 21:49 |
| MinceR | especially if they just rip off a design made by engineers | Jan 13 21:49 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: This column on Wikipedia shows just 2.7% as "multiracial" | Jan 13 21:49 |
| MinceR | cheaper than crApple's chucklefucks "innovating" some unworkable shit :> | Jan 13 21:49 |
| Hail_Spacecake | XRevan86: anyone could be if they define races in a fine-grained enough way | Jan 13 21:49 |
| Hail_Spacecake | also you can just lie on the census | Jan 13 21:49 |
| Hail_Spacecake | how are they gonna check? | Jan 13 21:49 |
| MinceR | they could use a chart | Jan 13 21:50 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18032261 | Jan 13 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 13 21:50 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I would say the cheapest possible supplier you are getting what you paid for. | Jan 13 21:50 |
| *XRevan86 is trying to remember the last census here in Russia… | Jan 13 21:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I guess when tbe white people were simultaneously raping the Natives and murdering them for not converting to Christianity, I got some of that. | Jan 13 21:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you cannot say that about the hype phone. | Jan 13 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | I think they only asked ethnicity, not race. | Jan 13 21:50 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yeah, with the hypePhone, you're paying way more than what you get | Jan 13 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Donald Trump is in danger | Jan 13 21:51 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: interestingly, a lot of neofascists don't mind orange | Jan 13 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The election was Putin and Putin. | Jan 13 21:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you have not paid for quality design and construction and you don't get those thing its fine. I have seen the cheapest possible phone the same size as a current day iphone be under 30 USD. | Jan 13 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember that part. | Jan 13 21:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: of course if 1 in 1000 works it going to be good luck. | Jan 13 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The first colour in the lower bulk is dark orange. | Jan 13 21:51 |
| MinceR | isn't Agent Orange lighter and more orange than that? | Jan 13 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If on one unfortunate day Trump tries too hard, he can match | Jan 13 21:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 13 21:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and I am not kidding with those cheapest possible construction that you are likely to find parts missing. | Jan 13 21:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so it might take pulling apart 5 phones and assembling into 1 so it works at all. | Jan 13 21:53 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: there are items you'll miss on a hypePhone too, like a battery cover :> | Jan 13 21:53 |
| XRevan86 | "Religion: 21.3% – Unaffiliated" – poor souls | Jan 13 21:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have seen cheapest construction where the phone is only a shell the internal board and battery missing. | Jan 13 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump looks like he got a really awful sunburn at Willie Wonka's chocolate factory. | Jan 13 21:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cheapest construction comes really pot luck if phone works. | Jan 13 21:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: at all. | Jan 13 21:56 |
| oiaohm | It really simple to get that. | Jan 13 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | The worst part of his make-up is his eyes | Jan 13 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | because he leaves an oval of white there, right where people look most often | Jan 13 21:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I did order a stack and one point for a joke of a competition. First person to make a phone call from the 5000 worst construction ever phones won. | Jan 13 21:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: out of the 5000 phones only in fact 4 were assmebled with any possiblity of making a call. | Jan 13 21:58 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: just tell the others that they're "holding it wrong" | Jan 13 21:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and those were the ones that we had fixed up. | Jan 13 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | > In the election of 2016 and 2018, 15%/17%/21% of the voters was religiously unaffiliated, of which a majority voted for a Democratic presidential candidate. | Jan 13 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | Makes sense. | Jan 13 21:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so I do know where to get worst than the hypephone. | Jan 13 21:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no we were saying you had ot have put the sim in the wrong way. | Jan 13 22:00 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 13 22:00 |
| oiaohm | Most were not being smart enough to notice that the phones in a lot of cases were not booting. | Jan 13 22:00 |
| oiaohm | Just putting the backlight on the screen that is all. | Jan 13 22:00 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: the competion was for charity. You paid so much to take a phone from the heap. If you could make a call you won if you did not win the phone was returned to the heap for the next person to pick from. | Jan 13 22:02 |
| oiaohm | Most people could not believe that phones could be that bad. | Jan 13 22:03 |
| MinceR | well, of course | Jan 13 22:03 |
| MinceR | they don't believe how bad hypePhones are either | Jan 13 22:03 |
| danielp3344 | were you allowed to hack the phones? | Jan 13 22:03 |
| MinceR | the trick is to make them pay a LOT for them so cognitive dissonance takes over | Jan 13 22:04 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: purism has that down | Jan 13 22:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 13 22:04 |
| danielp3344 | heh | Jan 13 22:04 |
| oiaohm | danielp3344: lot of the ones that did not work hacking was not a option because the CPU was basically missing. | Jan 13 22:05 |
| danielp3344 | Yeah I can believe that | Jan 13 22:05 |
| danielp3344 | but a new ROM can fix a lot of problems :P | Jan 13 22:06 |
| zoobab | 3 companies petitioned SCOTUS on swpats it seems | Jan 13 22:06 |
| oiaohm | You know something is horrible wrong when 5000 phones cost wrong value of 2500 dollars. | Jan 13 22:06 |
| zoobab | "The three software cases are HP v Berkheimer (scotus had asked for SG a year ago; SG said perhaps Athena a better area); Garmin v Cellspin and Power Analytics v. Operation Technology." | Jan 13 22:06 |
| oiaohm | We did tell them that we need a few to work not many. | Jan 13 22:07 |
| oiaohm | and they though it was a funny order. | Jan 13 22:07 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/04/fbc1ab806c4f90b3.jpg | Jan 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/europe/pope-benedict-book-intl-scli/index.html | Jan 13 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pope Benedict speaks out in favor of celibacy for priests - CNN | Jan 13 22:58 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Man, Palpatine just keeps coming back for more sequels. | Jan 13 22:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 13 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Power! | Jan 13 23:03 |
| MinceR | https://youtu.be/Q_7KaMDHoGs?t=176 | Jan 13 23:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Emperor Palpatine 'Unlimited Power!'' - YouTube | Jan 13 23:04 | |
| XRevan86 | He was force-healed | Jan 13 23:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 13 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He was somehow cloned, and then put on a Sith life support thing to keep his clone bodu alive. | Jan 13 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I always figured the Republicans would bring Dick Cheney back like that. | Jan 13 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Reminds me of Kahless | Jan 13 23:07 |
| MinceR | the opposite of kahful? | Jan 13 23:09 |
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| XRevan86 | On Star Trek they say it like "Keyles", I guess Klingon follows English phonetic patterns. | Jan 13 23:16 |
| XRevan86 | Though if one spells it like that, it's pronounced like "Kiles" in English, and if like that then like "Kailes" %) | Jan 13 23:20 |
| XRevan86 | Which in turn may be pronounced like Kahless is supposed to | Jan 13 23:21 |
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| cubexyz | planned obsolescence rules the day once again | Jan 13 23:54 |
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