●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 ●●
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[00:06]	starstreak	smoke weed every day!
[00:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> smoke weed every day! <- 424/7?
[00:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	153405
[00:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats 420 times 365.25
[00:17]	starstreak	my lungs are my... ATTack SUrfaCE
[00:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	lol
[00:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	"lets get two big industrial windmills, i already got one-- who needs three? well the first one, i broke it!"
[00:18]	starstreak	speaking of attack surface.. i changed my malware bootloader from brave to firefox
[00:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	^ snoop, black umbrella
[00:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	"samurai!"
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[00:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	"gonna get DUMB and bang a wiz-ARD, were gonna have a bonfire tonight-- yeah, yeah, yeah were smokin the right stuff!"-- miley
[00:20]	starstreak	"That's crazy man, have you ever tried DMT?" -Joe Rogan
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[00:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	"now why on earth did you treat me? as if i didnt understand trigonometry and tai chi?"
[00:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	"inverse cosign-- omigosh! theres never gonna be a better padawan than me!"
[00:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	sine
[00:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	attack cosine
[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	i guess an inverse cosign would be if the bank wanted to get another manager to back them up 
[00:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	"im not sure i can approve this loan without my managers signature too"
[00:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe the manager has to sign it upside down
[00:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	"That's crazy man, have you ever tried DMT?" -Joe Rogan <- im waiting for elon musk to grow mushrooms in space and bring them to try with joe rogan on the podcast
[00:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	"wow, you grew these in space?"
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[00:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	"yeah, i mean i think so, i was pretty fucking high at the time"
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[00:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	"were you in the spacex thing?"
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[00:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	"no, my tesla is pressurised and i was going REALLY FAST"
[00:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	roads! where were going we dont need... roads
[00:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	though it does require an orbital charging station
[00:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me can totally see musk making a "mr fusion" back to the future tesla power supply that runs on weed though
[00:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	itll have a flux capacitor that instead of just being a Y its shaped like a pot leaf
[00:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	"and the lights are green, too"
[00:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	joe rogan "i gotta get one of these"
[00:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	cheech marin is going to want a royalty check
[00:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	"yo we totally did this already, man"
[00:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	tommy chong: "yeah... did what?"
[00:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	"the truck, you know?"
[00:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	"ohhhhhh. yeah, thats was cool"
[00:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me makes a car that runs on dog shit
[00:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	if youre running low you just have to pull up close to the sidewalk
[00:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	then the scooper extends, drops it into the fuel loader...
[00:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	youre good for another 50 miles
[00:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	a big dog gets you 80
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[00:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	there are two models
[00:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	one runs on openbsd
[00:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	the other uses arch btw
[00:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me is going to make a derivative of arch called "arch btw"
[00:42]	MinceR	13 013436 < highest_cubist_thrills> /me makes a car that runs on dog shit
[00:42]	MinceR	Mr. Fusion
[00:42]	starstreak	im going to make a derivative called Arch Linucks
[00:42]	MinceR	you can even toss the dog into Mr. Fusion
[00:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me doesnt hate dogs that much
[00:43]	MinceR	and it will be both cleaner and more useful than it otherwise ever could be
[00:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe the sony aibo
[00:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me doesnt even hate robots that much
[00:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	just the ones i talk to on the phone
[00:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i want to throw them down a well
[00:46]	starstreak	lol
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[00:54]	starstreak	https://awesomekling.github.io/Ladybird-a-new-cross-platform-browser-project/
[00:54]	TR Bot	 Ladybird: A new cross-platform browser project Andreas Kling I like computers!
[00:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	does it run on a c64?
[00:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me tries to guess how awesomekling is pronounced
[00:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	"awesome kaling"
[00:56]	starstreak	on a c64? lol
[00:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	"its actually just pronounced 'awesome', all the other letters are silent"
[00:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> on a c64? lol <- its cross platform
[00:57]	starstreak	i dont even think lynx would run on c64
[00:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	not exactly
[00:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://commodore.software/downloads/category/115-ultimate-lynx
[00:59]	TR Bot	 Commodore Software - Ultimate Lynx
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 53.75 average k/sec., average swarm size 162.45
[00:59]	XRevan86	starstreak: That's an ambitious project, pretty cool.
[00:59]	starstreak	generally i dont assume stuff would work for c64 because its 40 years old
● Sep 13
[01:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	it works with roy and hes 40 years old
[01:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	The Lynx was an 8-bit British home computer that was first released in early 1983 as a 48 kB model. [5] Several models were available with 48 kB, 96 kB or 128 kB RAM. It was possible to reach 192 kB with RAM expansions on board. John Shireff designed the hardware and Davis Jansons the firmware.
[01:01]	XRevan86	highest_cubist_thrills: On which Roy's body part Lynx is capable of running?
[01:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	<XRevan86> highest_cubist_thrills: On which Roy's body part Lynx is capable of running? <- thats a very personal question
[01:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	also i think he requires an adapter of some kind
[01:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	also i said "works with" not "runs on"
[01:04]	XRevan86	So does that mean that Commodore 64 can also "work with" Lynx?
[01:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	almost without question, its a matter of how close you can get them together
[01:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	and whether it would qualify
[01:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think its natalie wynn that said a woman using a hammer becomes woman-with-hammer
[01:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	so roy using lynx would become roy-with-lynx
[01:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	this a non-essentialist view but there are countless points in favor of this both in the tech community and other contexts i neednt mention here
[01:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think the subject was transhumanism
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[01:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not so much that i find the argument perfectly sways me
[01:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	as there are plenty of reasonable examples prior to the argument being made that make it a little less ridiculous than it sounds
[01:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	even when you drive a car
[01:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	the car becomes an extension of your body
[01:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	and you interface with it like its an extension of your body
[01:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	not at first
[01:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	but at the point where you stop thinking about the car-- and only think about driving
[01:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	the way you interface with your own body is the same
[01:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean
[01:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you lose an arm, and get a robot arm
[01:12]	MinceR	13 020741 < highest_cubist_thrills> so roy using lynx would become roy-with-lynx
[01:12]	MinceR	earth-with-plastic
[01:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	do you use it (conceptually) the same way you use your other arm, or is there some truly fundamental conceptual difference due to the fact that its artificial
[01:13]	MinceR	but can you run Lynx on a Camputers Lynx connected with an Atari Lynx?
[01:13]	starstreak	is there a gui version of lynx
[01:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	but can you run Lynx on a Camputers Lynx connected with an Atari Lynx? <- the real question is can  you run lynx on an actual lynx? and will it maul you if you try
[01:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> is there a gui version of lynx <- theres a gui version of elinks
[01:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can run lynx on a gui term window
[01:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	what is lynx
[01:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	(baby dont hurt me, dont hurt me, no more)
[01:14]	starstreak	its a text browser
[01:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	i know, ive used it
[01:15]	starstreak	i just use firefox
[01:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can run lynx in firefox
[01:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can even run arch btw
[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[01:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> i just use firefox <- does it run on a c64?
[01:25]	starstreak	i dont have a c64 so idgaf
[01:26]	MinceR	you'd need a lot of c64-s just to keep a bit of it in RAM
[01:26]	starstreak	the crappiest computer that I own is a raspi zero w
[01:26]	MinceR	i'm not sure if you could even help it out with swap
[01:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure youd need more c64s every time they made a new version
[01:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	it keeps loner busy
[01:26]	MinceR	:>
[01:27]	MinceR	the slowest computer i own that isn't a microcontroller is probably a sinclair zx spectrum that i haven't even taken out of the cupboard in decades
[01:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you think he spends a lot of time waxing nostalgic about the third reich, you should see how much time he spends on ebay
[01:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <MinceR> the slowest computer i own that isn't a microcontroller is probably a sinclair zx spectrum <- i really love the idea of lightweight hardware, i do
[01:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	with that said
[01:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	if i wanted to go back to 8bit, id just go back to 8bit
[01:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	my main regrets about not spending more time with it
[01:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	stem from the fact that people who played with 8bit tended to become more familar with the hardware
[01:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	and that familiarity often followed them through more elaborate models as hardware increased in complexity
[01:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	so today they know more about hardware in general
[01:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	simply getting a c64 (ive played with a few of them) wouldnt fix this
[01:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	id have to spend many years learning about them and other computers
[01:30]	MinceR	yeah, 8bit is not enough for me
[01:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	i really like dynamic typing
[01:30]	MinceR	i would stick to unix workstation class stuff
[01:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	i really like flat memory addressing
[01:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	so i mean
[01:30]	MinceR	i prefer virtual memory and memory protection
[01:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	a few years ago, i really wanted to put debian on a 486
[01:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	okay, like closer to 10 years ago
[01:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	and i used to have a 486, they used to be easier to find
[01:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	can i get one from ebay? sure, but theyre heavy
[01:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	that makes shipping costly
[01:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	can i get a 486 laptop? sure, that makes it less likely to have the loads of ram i want
[01:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	really putting together a 486 thats good for anything i want to do with it
[01:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	is a helly of a lot trickier to do than it is to just get a pentium
[01:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	really a hell of a lot
[01:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	so what do i get if i go 486?
[01:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	fuck if i know
[01:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	i ran an 8088 once
[01:33]	highest_cubist_thrills	learned to code on it
[01:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	what am i going to do with that
[01:34]	TR News	"Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 752 for the week of September 4 10, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/09/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-752/ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/09/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-752/
[01:34]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 752
[01:34]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 752
[01:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	why not something with more power?
[01:34]	highest_cubist_thrills	real (practical) questions yield the best answers here
[01:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	and if you have an ideology, thats great-- you should still ask the right questions that yield the answers that make sense
[01:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	like herr doktor wants a chipset that you can design on paper
[01:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats fine
[01:35]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont think he will ever fucking build that
[01:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	just to come here and whinge about how hitler is dead, wah wah
[01:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i designed this cpu with paper and pencil!
[01:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	not with a pen?
[01:36]	highest_cubist_thrills	no, pens are a stupid western conspiracy
[01:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	ink is for idiots
[01:37]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, do you use gemini?
[01:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	im a fan of gemini, i told you about my adventures trying to get gemini running initially
[01:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	i havent given up, its just not a priority
[01:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think i also told you what i do in the meantime
[01:38]	starstreak	i just updated my gemini capsule today
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats awesome
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont go on gemini much yet
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	i have a client
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	it works
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	i use it infrequently
[01:38]	starstreak	i use lagrange btw
[01:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	lol
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think i tried installing it
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	just to try it
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	id never use that behemoth regularly
[01:39]	starstreak	behemoth?
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	there are fewer clients for openbsd, i ended up making one from spart parts
[01:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	lagrange uses opengl doesnt it?
[01:40]	starstreak	SDL
[01:40]	MinceR	Q: Did you hear about the constipated mathematician? A: He worked it out with a pencil.
[01:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	classic
[01:40]	TR News	 (NEW): 3 Ways to Screenshot Right-Click Context Menus on Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/3_Ways_to_Screenshot_Right_Click_Context_Menus_on_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/3_Ways_to_Screenshot_Right_Click_Context_Menus_on_Linux.gmi 
[01:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 3 Ways to Screenshot Right-Click Context Menus on Linux
[01:40]	starstreak	lagrange seemed quick and lightweight
[01:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	for what the protocol requires, lagrange is comically oversized
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	like running gnome on a ti-83
[01:41]	starstreak	how big is it?
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	it uses several libraries
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	a gemini client doesnt need so many libraries
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	it doesnt need a gui either
[01:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not against people using a gui to do gemini
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	but really, whats larger than lagrange?
[01:42]	starstreak	i have it loaded and it uses 32mb of ram
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	it might be the largest client there is
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	so thats not so much ram
[01:42]	starstreak	32mb of ram is too big?
[01:42]	TR News	"Let's look back at amusing story from Linux history, while Linux isn't perfect today this operating system used to be a usability nightmare for the average person." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DJiSDeGoLAQ
[01:42]	TR Bot	 Linux Was Once A Terrible Operating System - Invidious
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	but these are the early days
[01:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	if it uses 32 now it will be 80 or 90 soon
[01:42]	starstreak	hexchat uses about 50
[01:43]	starstreak	discord uses 400mb
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	discord is ridiculous
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	but your hexchat comparison is reasonable
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats a fair point 
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	i used to use sdl
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	fwiw
[01:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	my own projects used it
[01:44]	MinceR	i used sdl once
[01:44]	starstreak	i remember installing lagrange and it didnt pull in very much for deps
[01:44]	MinceR	but that was a game
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	but they were using it for graphics
[01:44]	MinceR	sdl is much better suited for games than for browsers
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	"dude, have you ever like tried sdl?"-- joe rogan
[01:44]	TR News	At the cost/toll of toolchain bloat https://www.phoronix.com/news/LPC-2022-Rust-Linux also, they're becoming attached to Microsoft proprietary software, censorship etc.
[01:44]	TR Bot	2022: Rust Linux Drivers Capable Of Achieving Performance Comparable To C Code - Phoronix
[01:44]	starstreak	SDL gives it the smooth scrolling
[01:44]	MinceR	"hitler took the sdl" -- alex jones
[01:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	sdl is making frogs gay!
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	whenever i hear "smooth scrolling" i stick my fingers in my ears 
[01:45]	MinceR	something should give it good font rendering with configurable fonts too
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont remember what kind of scrolling existed before smooth scrolling
[01:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it seemed smooth enough 
[01:45]	TR News	Microsoft junk creeping into Linux https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/59960918-0adb-6d53-2d77-8172e666bf40@paragon-software.com/
[01:45]	TR Bot	 [PATCH 0/3] fs/ntfs3: Refactoring and hidedotfiles option - Konstantin Komarov
[01:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6Whgn_iE5uc
[01:46]	TR Bot	 Santana - Smooth ft. Rob Thomas (Official Video) - Invidious
[01:46]	starstreak	kristal seemed shitty to me, probably cuz its for kde
[01:47]	TR News	'Linux' Foundation openwashing for Microsoft https://www.datanami.com/2022/09/12/linkedin-donates-feature-store-to-linux-foundation/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
[01:47]	TR Bot	 LinkedIn Donates Feature Store to Linux Foundation
[01:47]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation - Techrights
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah i dont think ill ever use kde again
[01:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont even classify it as free software anymore
[01:48]	starstreak	why?
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	because any project that took part in a conspiracy to destroy the free software movement needs to be forked before it qualifies as giving a shit about freedom
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	and if it doesnt give a shit about freedom, its probably better off being labelled "open source"
[01:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	as a warning.
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	surgeons general warning: this project will probably make fun of you for comparing telemetry to spyware, cancel your leaders, stab you in the back, and lie about everything while sucking off corporations
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	who needs it
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	fuck kde
[01:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	traitors
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	and bloat anyway
[01:51]	starstreak	what conspiracy?
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	really?
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me waves hand around the domain name
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	have you seen this website?
[01:51]	starstreak	yeah
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	how about gnu.tools
[01:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	aka gnu.fools
[01:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	how about https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/
[01:52]	TR Bot	 Is LibrePlanet Safe?
[01:52]	TR News	 (NEW): AMD Utilizes User-Space Hinting To Achieve Faster EPYC CPU Performance in Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/AMD_Utilizes_User_Space_Hinting_To_Achieve_Faster_EPYC_CPU_Perf.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/AMD_Utilizes_User_Space_Hinting_To_Achieve_Faster_EPYC_CPU_Perf.gmi 
[01:52]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines AMD Utilizes User-Space Hinting To Achieve Faster EPYC CPU Performance in Linux
[01:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	because its been going on ever since then
[01:53]	starstreak	i use arch/gnome/wayland/systemd/pipewire
[01:53]	starstreak	i even use systemd-boot
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	i know, youre fucking weird
[01:53]	starstreak	its free software idgaf
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	no no no no
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	once you add "idgaf" it isnt free at all
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	you cant have free AND idgaf
[01:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	it wont work
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	indeed it doesnt
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	idgaf destroyed the movement
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	its dead
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	dead
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	because ngaf
[01:54]	starstreak	maybe im weird
[01:54]	starstreak	i'd much rather use macOS
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	give it a few years, who knows what will happen
[01:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	systemd is microsoft 
[01:55]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Security_Leftovers.gmi 
[01:55]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	github and lennart is a fucking employee
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnome is microsoft
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre basically hitmen
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	if the mafia made an operating system
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats what youre using
[01:55]	TR News	 (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter and Debuginfod http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Canonical_Ubuntu_Ubuntu_Weekly_Newsletter_and_Debuginfod.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Canonical_Ubuntu_Ubuntu_Weekly_Newsletter_and_Debuginfod.gmi 
[01:55]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter and Debuginfod
[01:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	i use openbsd, btw
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its only a step in the right direction
[01:56]	schestowitz[TR]	what happend to gnome OS?
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	only a jump away from this fucking mess
[01:56]	schestowitz[TR]	not a work about it in years
[01:56]	schestowitz[TR]	at least a year
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	and then a step the riiiiiiiiiight
[01:56]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], they just turned gnome into gnomeOS
[01:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	what happend to gnome OS? <- its called debian now
[01:56]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[01:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[01:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> schestowitz[TR], they just turned gnome into gnomeOS <- i was calling it gnome os before that, and i wasnt the only one
[01:57]	TR News	Proprietary https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/apple-fixes-10-bugs-including-two-zero-days-under-exploit.html
[01:57]	MinceR	13 025516 < highest_cubist_thrills> gnome is microsoft 
[01:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	because it is
[01:57]	TR Bot	- Apple fixes 10 bugs including two zero-days under exploit
[01:57]	MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/pYuj8tW.png
[01:57]	starstreak	i actually like gnome tho
[01:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you made gnome into a godforsaken operating system...
[01:57]	MinceR	yeah, you've made it clear that you like crap :>
[01:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> i actually like gnome tho <- that IS weird
[01:58]	TR News	VMware fraud https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/vmware-pays-fine-to-settle-sec-charge-of-misleading-investors.html
[01:58]	TR Bot	- VMware pays fine to settle SEC charge of misleading investors
[01:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	its funny, bcause i know youre always going to be like this
[01:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i like you anyway
[01:58]	starstreak	lots of people like gnome
[01:58]	TR News	How To Access The Dark Web (Using Tor) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zQW3MdF25B8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/zQW3MdF25B8
[01:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre weird too
[01:59]	TR Bot	 How To Access The Dark Web (Using Tor) - Invidious
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 55.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 174.86
[01:59]	starstreak	lol
[01:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	even im weird, but everybody knows that
[01:59]	starstreak	what do you use again?
[01:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats the difference
[01:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	they dont know theyre weird...
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[01:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> what do you use again? <- i dont
[01:59]	starstreak	fvwm?
[01:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnome and kde are redundant layers of bloat
● Sep 13
[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont use one
[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh, window manager
[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	dwm
[02:00]	starstreak	ah ok
[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	only because icewm brings in shit from gnome
[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	but really at this point id hate going back
[02:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you find a tiling wm you like
[02:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	the idea of having to move and resize all your stupid little windows again is awful
[02:01]	starstreak	sway is supposed to be good
[02:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	everything is supposed to be good
[02:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	"we know youre looking for an editor thats completely and utter shit, and finally we made you one!"
[02:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	"youll hate it, it wont do anything you want, it even requires systemd"
[02:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	"well at least it requires systemd1"
[02:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	"yeah, i mean thats one feature thats must-have these days"
[02:02]		*starstreak formats laptop and installs freebsd and mate
[02:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	"its probably very cutting edge!"
[02:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	its too bad debian shafted mate like they did
[02:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	they really are just gnomes little lapdogs
[02:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	debian: another microsoft distro
[02:03]	MinceR	i like being able to move and resize all my stupid little windows
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <MinceR> i like being able to move and resize all my stupid little windows <- yes, in theory so do i
[02:04]	MinceR	i tried i3 and didn't like it
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	in practice, never again...
[02:04]	MinceR	i did write a script to resize/move windows into grid slots though, in case i wanted to
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	technically you can move and resize every stupid little window in dwm
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	i just dont want to
[02:04]	TR News	Apple easy to use? No! "Its been a bit tricky to get running on Apple Silicon Macs" https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/09/12/diffusion-bee
[02:04]	TR Bot	 Daring Fireball: Diffusion Bee 1.0: Easy to Install Stable Diffusion for Apple Silicon Macs
[02:04]	MinceR	and added a Grow button to my title bars, also to make use of empty areas
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> i did write a script to resize/move windows into grid slots though, in case i wanted to <- thats always fun
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	i was very impressed by what os/2 warp could do along these lines
[02:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	your script is probably better
[02:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	being decades newer
[02:05]	TR News	Apple = cliches
[02:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	honestly its a farce that every window system wasnt scriptable from day 1
[02:05]	TR News	Teachers Forum Condemns NCERTs Decision to Remove Chapters on Climate Change | NewsClick https://www.newsclick.in/Teacher-forum-condemns-NCERT-decision-remove-chapters-climate-change Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.newsclick.in/Teacher-forum-condemns-NCERT-decision-remove-chapters-climate-change
[02:05]	TR Bot	 Teachers Forum Condemns NCERTs Decision to Remove Chapters on Climate Change | NewsClick
[02:06]	TR News	Hope is dead - neritam https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/09/12/hope-is-dead/ Source: Neritam/Michael Moore
[02:06]	TR Bot	 Hope is dead neritam
[02:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me moves one of his windows freely, then puts it back
[02:07]	TR News	"When those who expose the crimes of the state are criminalized and sent to prison, tyranny is inevitable." https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/when-the-just-go-to-prison
[02:07]	TR Bot	 When The Just Go to Prison - The Chris Hedges Report
[02:07]	starstreak	i like mate too
[02:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	i liked gnome 2
[02:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	it was the last good version of gnome
[02:07]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos Evolving GNU/Linux UIs, Installing Linux on a USB, and Accessing The Dark Web http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Videos_Evolving_GNU_Linux_UIs_Installing_Linux_on_a_USB_and_Acc.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Videos_Evolving_GNU_Linux_UIs_Installing_Linux_on_a_USB_and_Acc.gmi 
[02:07]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos Evolving GNU/Linux UIs, Installing Linux on a USB, and Accessing The Dark Web
[02:08]	starstreak	i had a freebsd+mate vm and it was using 385mb ram which was pretty fly
[02:08]	MinceR	i liked gnome 1 (or maybe 0.99)
[02:08]	MinceR	it was the last good version of gnome
[02:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	before neil mcgovern had that horrible accident and was mauled to death by 100 badgers
[02:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> i liked gnome 1 (or maybe 0.99) <MinceR> it was the last good version of gnom <- we can quibble
[02:08]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D700.jpg
[02:08]	MinceR	:>
[02:08]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D352.jpg
[02:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	hell if you said "there never was a good version of gnome" i wouldnt argue
[02:09]	starstreak	what about enlightenment?
[02:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	i never liked it really
[02:09]	TR News	"I just published a page on this capsule to list my favourites from Kristall (Gemini Browser). There are some interesting stuff there that you could use as a starting point on your Gemini voyage. :)" gemini://ivanodintsoff.smol.pub/favourites-from-kristall
[02:09]	MinceR	it had multiple panels, child panels, collapsing a panel into a button at its end, automatically collapsing panels, swallowing arbitrary windows into the panel
[02:09]	MinceR	it let you switch wm-s from the control center
[02:09]	MinceR	it was everything gnome 2+ wasn't
[02:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres an episode of classic star trek where spock and kirk get the hang of an alien computer
[02:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	that i always think of when people mention enlightenment
[02:10]	TR News	"The debate between upstream and downstream packaging rages on, especially as of late. I thought I'd express some frustration at some third party repositories I've tried to install lately and what went wrong." gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-09-12.gmi
[02:10]	MinceR	it had none of this stupid "let's remove printer settings because they might confuse a simpleton!"
[02:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think it should be easier to get used to a window manager / de than switching from gnu/linux to bsd
[02:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it wasnt
[02:10]	MinceR	enlightenment was the slowest wm i've ever seen on x
[02:10]	MinceR	not sure if it's slower than windows, probably not
[02:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	it had none of this stupid "let's remove printer settings because they might confuse a simpleton!" <- yes. well
[02:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnome designers are some of the dumbest people on earth
[02:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	they would remove an eject button from a plane because it might confuse someone
[02:11]	MinceR	and enlightenment also let me choose between "pop up a massive distracting tooltip often" and "forget how to do things"
[02:11]	MinceR	gnome used to copy kde, that's when it was goo
[02:11]	MinceR	d
[02:11]	MinceR	now gnome copies macos and kde copies gnome
[02:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i thought gnome came first, but i honestly dont know
[02:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	kde copies gnome <- gnome is ibm, if you dont copy them youre fucked
[02:13]	MinceR	then i'm fucked
[02:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	at least youre not using gnome though
[02:13]	MinceR	kde came first, the original purpose of gnome was to do what kde does, but with free software
[02:13]	MinceR	(Qt was proprietary back then)
[02:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	too bad they forgot the free software part
[02:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	probably something about having bills dick in their mouth 24/7
[02:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	gnome: 101 redundant layers of increased efficiency!
[02:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	all of which are mandatory
[02:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	"if you want to know what gnome is, its a bare foot stomping on a users face, forever"
[02:17]	MinceR	yeah
[02:17]	TR News	 (NEW): Gemini Articles of Interest http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.gmi 
[02:17]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Gemini Articles of Interest
[02:17]	TR News	 (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Today_in_Techrights.gmi 
[02:17]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Today in Techrights
[02:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	with that said
[02:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	even i didnt hate gnome 2
[02:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	i can see why someone would though
[02:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	id like to see a fork of  mate thats lighter :)
[02:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	mate fans neednt worry, mate will probably never be forked
[02:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	it will be a miracle if its maintained
[02:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[02:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	id like to see a fork of gnome 1 but im sure the libraries it needs are much too incompatible
[02:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	which says a lot about guis in general
[02:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre like disposable razors
[02:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	they create loads of waste and when youre done, you throw them away because theres fuck-all else you can do with them
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	now, i dont want this to be true-- i dont think it has to be
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	x11 is a straight razor obviously
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	it hurts to use and if you try to open it up, youll get blood all over the place
[02:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its been around forever
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	x11 is neatly built they say
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	well structured
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	if you open it up
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	not sure aboyt wayland
[02:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	who said that, joe rogan?
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	no
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	developers who work with it
[02:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure wayland is nearly useless
[02:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont want it
[02:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	but i dont believe x11 is "neatly" anything
[02:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	it works and im grateful
[02:23]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[02:23]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[02:24]	TR News	Links 12/09/2022: New in KDE Plasma 5.26, Istio Has New Releases | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/12/istio-has-new-releases/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/12/istio-has-new-releases/
[02:24]	TR Bot	 Links 12/09/2022: New in KDE Plasma 5.26, Istio Has New Releases | Techrights
[02:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	its forkable
[02:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	so theres that
[02:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	and hey
[02:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	it goes up to 11
[02:25]	schestowitz[TR]	systems will be 200 soon
[02:25]	schestowitz[TR]	and still not stable
[02:25]	schestowitz[TR]	more support to sell
[02:25]	schestowitz[TR]	azure went offlike recernt
[02:25]	schestowitz[TR]	recently
[02:25]	schestowitz[TR]	no DNS
[02:25]	schestowitz[TR]	after systemd fuckup
[02:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	heres some broken shit, thanks for flying the azure express
[02:25]	schestowitz[TR]	iirc, they changed to systemd doing dns
[02:26]	schestowitz[TR]	and it didn't work
[02:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	ibm bought red hat
[02:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe microsoft will buy debian
[02:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean they already own it
[02:26]	starstreak	microsoft is more likely to buy canonical
[02:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	but they could be more explicit about it
[02:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	microsoft is more likely to buy canonical <- close enough
[02:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you sent canonical into orbit, debian might collapse (at this point)
[02:27]	starstreak	Microsoft Linux 24.04 LTS with powershell, vscode, mono, edge
[02:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	if microsoft bought canonical, they would effectively own debian
[02:27]	starstreak	canonical doesn't own debian
[02:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	its sort of like owning someone by purchasing their foot
[02:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	but whats a shackle, whats an ankle bracelet
[02:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not like debian would free itself
[02:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	they had a chance to do that 8 years ago
[02:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	they didnt bother
[02:28]	schestowitz[TR]	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1568592701796261888
[02:28]	TR Bot	I've noticed that too. It's Novell's SUSE all over again: Latest Ubuntu Promotes Microsoft's Proprietary Software https://t.co/Q0HKD0Z41x
[02:28]	TR Bot	I've noticed that too. It's Novell's SUSE all over again: Latest Ubuntu Promotes Microsoft's Proprietary Software https://t.co/Q0HKD0Z41x
[02:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	debian is a hostage of gnome and canonical
[02:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre happy to be
[02:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	they have stockholm syndrome
[02:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	so does rms
[02:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	literal stockholm syndrome
[02:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/ <- that stupid woman
[02:29]	TR Bot	( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/ )
[02:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	how old is she?
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR]	who?
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR]	oh
[02:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	christine
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR]	christine
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR]	no idea
[02:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	she looks like the queen
[02:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure the queen was a nicer person
[02:30]	schestowitz[TR]	https://twitter.com/Agee_m0iga/status/1568157085681999872
[02:30]	TR Bot	Canonical w #ububtu promuje zamknite oprogramowanie Mcrosoftu https://t.co/VihyimO777
[02:30]	TR Bot	techrights.org | Latest Ubuntu Promotes Microsofts Proprietary Software | Techrights
[02:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	never heard of agee
[02:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	roy doesnt pay attention to twitter
[02:30]	schestowitz[TR]	https://twitter.com/MarconSunday/status/1567891841416036354
[02:30]	TR Bot	Paranoid post: https://t.co/BSnllXfwjh
[02:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	its completely useless noise
[02:31]	schestowitz[TR]	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1566779822252204032
[02:31]	TR Bot	Stallman et la souverainet de l'Etat https://t.co/oPJ3S4sxgr
[02:31]	TR Bot	techrights.org | [FR] Richard Stallmans Talk This Past Summer in France (There Were More Such Talks) | Techrights
[02:32]	schestowitz[TR]	https://twitter.com/aifesteves/status/1566353236520583169
[02:32]	TR Bot	Executivos da Microsoft Tomam a Linux Foundation e triplicam a si prprios os ordenados. https://t.co/R4okYSzVmv
[02:32]	TR Bot	techrights.org | Jim Zemlins Salary More Than Doubled in Just 5 Years (From $500,000 to $1,150,000 in Six Years), Unlike Linus Torvalds | Techrights
[02:33]	schestowitz[TR]	https://twitter.com/BettyLoo15/status/1566651845962911748
[02:33]	TR Bot	There's these: https://t.co/nG5hQqTaqI & https://t.co/ddVU8gKaVx Creepy bastard... https://t.co/viOAVW2sLv https://t.co/t4GwJDQIQX
[02:33]	TR Bot	techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part I: Bill Gates Has Plenty to Hide. Money and Connections Have Helped. | Techrights
[02:33]	TR Bot	www.dailymail.co.uk | Engineer employed at Bill Gates' mansion 'traded 6k child sex abuse images' | Daily Mail Online
[02:33]	TR Bot	( status 400 @ https://t.co/viOAVW2sLv )
[02:33]	TR Bot	There's these: https://t.co/nG5hQqTaqI & https://t.co/ddVU8gKaVx Creepy bastard... https://t.co/viOAVW2sLv https://t.co/t4GwJDQIQX
[02:36]	MinceR	13 032507 < schestowitz[TR]> and still not stable
[02:36]	TR News	"During the last few days we have been receiving messages from Ukrainian free software activists and supporters of Richard Stallman whose lives have been shattered by war." https://stallmansupport.org/letter-from-bomb-shelter-ukraine.html
[02:36]	TR Bot	 Letter from Bomb Shelter in Ukraine | Stallman Support
[02:36]	MinceR	fedora's been forcing it on users for 11 years and it's still not stable
[02:37]	MinceR	deadian's been forcing it on users for 7 years and it's still not stable
[02:37]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: While you're having fun with your gas bills and Liz Trump cutting taxes on people that aren't you......
[02:37]	MinceR	arch btw has been forcing it on users for 10 years and it's still not stable
[02:37]	DaemonFC	Looks like our landlord is listing a unit next door for $200 more than we pay. I think it's bigger, but still....
[02:37]	DaemonFC	That's not good.
[02:38]	MinceR	13 032839 < highest_cubist_thrills> theyre happy to be
[02:38]	TR News	"Huge wins for RISC-V and Ubuntu Unity, the changing ways that software is distributed, and a sad lament for young peoples privacy. Plus why KDE Plasma isnt default in many major distros, along with the usual goodness in the Korner." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-194/
[02:38]	TR Bot	 Late Night Linux Episode 194 Late Night Linux
[02:38]	DaemonFC	Mandy and I are each getting $50 Prickster Bucks.
[02:38]	MinceR	probably everyone who cared about software freedom left deadian long ago
[02:38]	DaemonFC	That'll be like 2 weeks worth of the rent increase.
[02:38]	DaemonFC	:)
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[02:38]	DaemonFC	I hope the grocery tax repeal becomes permanent, but I don't plan on it.
[02:39]	DaemonFC	It's symbolic though, like everything else.
[02:39]	DaemonFC	If you spend $600 a month on groceries, you save $6. Woohoo.
[02:39]	MinceR	if something not pushed by MICROS~1 or dehomag or intHell had spent 7 years being unstable, the cult of the "modern" would be all up in arms to toss it out.
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[02:40]	DaemonFC	Coffee prices shot WAAAAAY up. I bought an entire case pack of coffee from Amazon that was nearing expiration .
[02:40]	DaemonFC	It's still fine to drink for a year or two past. Done it before.
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[02:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <MinceR> probably everyone who cared about software freedom left deadian long ago <- all thats left is to translate this into latin
[02:40]	DaemonFC	Cut coffee in the morning by ~20%.
[02:41]	DaemonFC	I usually made like 5 cups, but I noticed I didn't always drink it all.
[02:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> arch btw has been forcing it on users for 10 years and it's still not stable <- the only thing about arch is that
[02:41]	DaemonFC	If I make 4 cups, then it always all gets used.
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[02:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	when debian targets its foot for demolition you can feel the disturbance in the force
[02:42]	MinceR	you could
[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	when you break something in arch, its hard to tell if its sabotage or simply an update.
[02:42]	MinceR	but deadian hasn't had feet for 7 years
[02:42]	MinceR	when something breaks in arch btw, can you even tell?
[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats my point
[02:42]	MinceR	there must be so many things already broken in there
[02:42]	MinceR	some of them intentionally
[02:42]	DaemonFC	http://toastytech.com/guis/adesk12.html
[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	right, but, the outcome of that is
[02:42]	TR Bot	 Apple II Desktop 1.2 Prealpha
[02:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	arch is never completely integrated with anything
[02:43]	DaemonFC	"Modifying it was not easy." Well, it was _possible_, which is not usually the case for proprietary software.
[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	so if you switch to say, another init system
[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	so what? now you have a different init system that also isnt reliable
[02:43]	MinceR	seems to be integrated with the landfill
[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	no big deal
[02:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know, ive never used arch btw for very long
[02:43]	DaemonFC	The worst part of dealing with 6502 assembler is, I'm sure, that since Apple intended it to run directly, they were kind enough to strip the comments.
[02:43]	MinceR	but i don't know how hard pacman twists your arm if you try to use something heretical
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[02:44]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[02:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	there was obarun but "we" talked about what happened ot that
[02:44]	MinceR	(probably installed by hand, because i doubt they keep in the repos something they deem to be heretical)
[02:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	pacman is probably the main reason i never spent much time with arch btw
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[02:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	i doubt they keep in the repos something they deem to be heretica <- in theory at least, aur is the very opposite of what youre saying
[02:45]	MinceR	i know apt will try to blow up your entire system if you try to get rid of cancerd
[02:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	in practice, idk
[02:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	 i know apt will try to blow up your entire system if you try to get rid of cancerd <- andys package tool
[02:45]	MinceR	who would maintain something arch btw users don't believe in in AUR? and how, and why?
[02:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	andy is the artificial intelligence capable of exploding in red vs blue
[02:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	 who would maintain something arch btw users don't believe in in AUR <- aur is fairly anarchist afaik
[02:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	i could have this wrong-- if i thought i did, i woudlnt say it
[02:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	if im not wrong, its only a little harder to get something into aur than it is to get something into like...
[02:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	a distribution of puppy linux
[02:47]	TR News	Feeling Creative gemini://themby.smol.pub/2022-09-12
[02:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	and only a little harder because the packaging system really demands metadata of some kind, while puppy... i mean, its puppy
[02:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	and now that puppy doesnt have the murga forums
[02:47]	TR News	"This weeks episode of Destination Linux, were going to be discussing ways projects can use on how to make money in Open Source. Then we will be discussing issues with GNOMEs data collection ambitions. Plus, we have our tips/tricks and software picks." https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/destination-linux/dl-294/
[02:47]	TR Bot	8 Ways to Make Money with Open Source - Destination Linux - TuxDigital
[02:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	who knows what will happen to that
[02:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	puppy has been losing people to things like mx/antix 
[02:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	hardcore fans i mean
[02:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	it may have a long halflife, but nothing holds the project together
[02:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	(except github)
[02:48]	TR News	"I want to publish zines, and rage against the machine..." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1128
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	it will probably outlast gnu of course
[02:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	i give gnu until 2029 to collapse
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	collapse as in?
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	no users?
[02:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	collapse as in 
[02:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	no structure
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	github might collapse by then
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	lack of business model
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	and microsoft having many layoffs
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	hoe is skype doing btw
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	youll still be saying tht in 2029
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	?
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	how is skype?
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	universal VOIP?\
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	skype isnt important
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	no? not anymore?
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	skype was not part of a 20-year-old plan to destroy the free software movement
[02:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	github is
[02:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	also, if you had said that the pro-stallman letter would have roughtly twice as many signatures
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	obviously, you would have been correct
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	but even so, youd still get that wrong
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	in two ways
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	1. it wasnt a vote, and some of those sigs were from entire orgs-- which doesnt mean you can count every member, thoguh thats not the point either
[02:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fact that its not a vote matters
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	2. everyone on that list is still working against us
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	including the orgs
[02:55]		*schestowitz[TR] back
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> github is
[02:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not like they said "shit, we are outnumbered! i guess we LOST"
[02:55]	schestowitz[TR]	wait, github did not start like this
[02:56]	MinceR	13 035047 < schestowitz[TR]> lack of business model
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	in 2014 microsoft thought of buying it
[02:56]	MinceR	i thought they had a business model
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	it doesnt matter that github didnt start like this
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	but 20 years ago there was no github at all
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	it has been like that since 2014
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	git was getting off the groun
[02:56]	MinceR	"bleed money but get to have users"
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	right
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	and now see gitLAB
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	they wanted to kill off "stale" projects
[02:56]	MinceR	those sociopaths will give anything for a chance to call someone their user
[02:56]	MinceR	MICROS~1, that is
[02:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	microsoft has always been happy to bleed money in exchange for controlling countless people
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	next comes, kill off 'free' accounts
[02:56]	schestowitz[TR]	and sourcehub went down that route
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <MinceR> those sociopaths will give anything for a chance to call someone their user <-
[02:57]	schestowitz[TR]	no changes? no account
[02:57]	schestowitz[TR]	or pay up
[02:57]	MinceR	(except, of course, develop a product or service worth using)
[02:57]	schestowitz[TR]	same for vimeo
[02:57]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe gulagtube will be next
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	sourcehub didnt have enough critical mass
[02:57]	schestowitz[TR]	turns out ina  rotting economy you cannot justify losing BILLIONS of dollars FOREVER
[02:57]	MinceR	that's fine, humanity won't be around forever
[02:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	saying that github will fail because sourcehub did, is a lot like saying windows will fail, because dos did
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	nor will cats
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean windows will fail-- eventually
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	no
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	it is failing
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a process
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	you can meausre it
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	it won't happen overnight
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	but that has nothing to do woth dos, and github has nothing to do with sourcehub
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	Microsoft-bribed media won't mention the process
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <schestowitz[TR]> it is failing <- oh yes
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	of course it is
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	github still LOSES money
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	there is no business model
[02:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	just like the coup 
[02:58]	schestowitz[TR]	not a viable one
[02:59]	schestowitz[TR]	start charging users, they flee
[02:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 68.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 179.70
[02:59]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft tries using skype and linkedi to kickstart stuff
[02:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	you dont understand how corporate subsidising works at all
[02:59]	schestowitz[TR]	like teams
[02:59]	schestowitz[TR]	"for business"
[02:59]	schestowitz[TR]	minecraft is ssjust an attempt to keep kids off other platforms
[02:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	subsidies arent profitable the same way other things are
[02:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	but you judge their effectiveness based on the usual rules
[02:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	which is honestly stupid
[02:59]	schestowitz[TR]	and the whole "we must control games" spiel, wherein they tell you linux "bad" "cox games"
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[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	subsidies are profitable
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	*coz
[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	but not in the same way as other things
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	they need to show a turnaround though
[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> minecraft is ssjust an attempt to keep kids off other platforms <- so is github
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	mitchell did an article about it in techjrights
[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	so is windows
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	azure is not showing return
[03:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	so they hide the financial side
[03:00]	schestowitz[TR]	or blend it with many unrelated things
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	microsoft has a mountain of handwavey bullshit
[03:01]	schestowitz[TR]	right
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	which they rebrand every 5-10 years
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	which is now called azure
[03:01]	schestowitz[TR]	brb coiffee rready
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	and it never turns a profit
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	and they always lie
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	and then they rebrand it
[03:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats microsoft
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	but you call that failuer
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	and i call it microsoft
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	if it was failure, why are they still doing it
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	because its microsoft
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	and failure is their #1 product
[03:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	and theyre doing fine, sadly
[03:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	until you figure that out, youre always going to get microsoft wrong
[03:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	and people who believe your take will also get it wrong
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[03:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	starstreak https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qM_r-cJ-JZI
[03:06]	TR Bot	 Mike Love "Babylon Control" - Invidious
[03:07]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, microsoft uses ubuntu for WSL
[03:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	i know, its horrible
[03:07]	schestowitz[TR]	?
[03:07]	schestowitz[TR]	WSL is not just Ubuntu
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	WSL is WIndows
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	with some junk thrown on it
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	like a poorly done VM
[03:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	ubuntu = junk
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	WSL is obsolete
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	there is NO PURPOSE for it
[03:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	so is windows
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	the only dif is
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	virtualbox and iso takes longer
[03:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	yo dawg, we herd you like junk
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	then MS/Windows "store"
[03:09]	schestowitz[TR]	WSL will die in a year
[03:09]	schestowitz[TR]	or 5
[03:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	or 10
[03:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	(probably less than 10)
[03:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	or 20!
[03:09]	schestowitz[TR]	we hypothetise maybe they partly killed it already
[03:09]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]how is skype?
[03:09]	schestowitz[TR]	as part of the latest wave of layoffs 
[03:09]	schestowitz[TR]	about 18000 fired
[03:09]	DaemonFC	I haven't had anyone ask me to use it in about 10 years.
[03:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	failure is their #1 product
[03:09]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: exactly
[03:10]	schestowitz[TR]	the mnedia... silent
[03:10]	schestowitz[TR]	like fig says, the "big story" is there
[03:10]	schestowitz[TR]	but ignored
[03:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	the media is worthless 
[03:10]	schestowitz[TR]	we constantly write about the demise of Windows
[03:10]	schestowitz[TR]	seems like a big story, no?
[03:10]	schestowitz[TR]	media pretends it never happened
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[03:10]	schestowitz[TR]	if windows fell to 10% market sharem,
[03:11]	schestowitz[TR]	there would STILL be not  single press article discussing it
[03:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats because theres no line left
[03:11]	schestowitz[TR]	but ten article about outsourcing to gothub
[03:11]	schestowitz[TR]	like FB today
[03:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	between media and marketing
[03:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre the same thing
[03:11]	schestowitz[TR]	*ten articcles
[03:11]	schestowitz[TR]	yes, PR took over news sites
[03:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	like 100 years ago when you would get pcmag
[03:11]	schestowitz[TR]	and it looks accordingly shallow
[03:11]	schestowitz[TR]	IT Jungle is just 100% IBM propaganda
[03:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	and it was the better part of an inch thick
[03:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	and half of it was ads
[03:11]	IPFS	 IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated.  TotalIn: 33 GB    TotalOut: 8.9 GB
[03:12]	schestowitz[TR]	and they don't disclosure that
[03:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats the media
[03:12]	schestowitz[TR]	Mitchell (MS WBer) points out the largest expense at Microsoft is media
[03:12]	schestowitz[TR]	buying the media
[03:12]	schestowitz[TR]	to "look big"!
[03:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	wber?
[03:12]	schestowitz[TR]	whistlewblowe
[03:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me nods
[03:12]	schestowitz[TR]	rI can find the articles
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[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive already read him
[03:13]	schestowitz[TR]	(less typos)
[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah its funny how posture affects typographic quality
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[03:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	when im too relaxed it goes right to shit
[03:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	not that being overexcited helps either
[03:14]	DaemonFC_	WHOA
[03:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	good posture means your fingers are over the right keys
[03:14]	schestowitz[TR]	the anti-RMS people... still ignore worse from Microsoft
[03:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	if yorue too relaxed, who know where the fuck they are
[03:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	the anti-RMS people... still ignore worse from Microsoft <- they dont care about freedom
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	or ethics
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	or ethics
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats the state of free software
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	it wasnt in the speech
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	nor does th e media 
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	"me too"
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	the media is useless
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	only when it suits them
[03:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	its just marketing
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	panama papers
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	only when it shames "official enemies"
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	not people like gates
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	heree is an example
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	a story the media turned down
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	about microsoft SERIAL STRANGLER
[03:16]		*DaemonFC_ is now known as DaemonFC
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	or women
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	where was mjg59_ ?
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:17] <schestowitz> zemlin deleted all his tweets
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:17] <schestowitz> I wrote about it xxxx
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:17] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/jim-zemlin-cancels-himself/
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:18] <schestowitz> seems to have sent 'Linux' Foundation into panic mode
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:18] <schestowitz> later in the same day and day after
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:18] <schestowitz> Zemlin made a public statement
[03:16]	TR Bot	 Jim Zemlin Has Deleted All of His Tweets | Techrights
[03:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats not useful to marketing
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:18] <schestowitz> very unusual for him
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:18] <schestowitz> same day: http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/linux-foundation-irs/
[03:16]	TR Bot	 No Linux Foundation IRS Disclosures Since 2018 | Techrights
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:19] <Source> Yeah I don't really have too much of a horse in that race
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:20] <Source>  I kind of care I just don't really know enough[03:25] <Source> Yeah I can't really follow what zemlin did wrong[03:25] <schestowitz> try the wiki
[03:16]	DaemonFC	I just had my first total system crash in 16 years.
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:25] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation#December_2021
[03:16]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation - Techrights
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:28] <Source> Sorry I lost you again[03:28] <Source> [21:27:55] xxxx: I'm trying to get the police report for arrest he "might" have spent multiple days in jail
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:28] <schestowitz> is that you to me?
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:29] <schestowitz> or something else?
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:29] <Source> Apparently it takes 13 days after the arrest to get the pictures
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:29] <Source> I sent that to you
[03:16]	DaemonFC	Things started getting really flaky when I started an Android runtime in Flatpak.
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:29] <Source> Alex may have spent multiple days in jail
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:29] <Source> We don't have the police report yet for the arrest
[03:16]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:30] <Source> My understanding is that if someone spent multiple days in jail it either means they couldn't afford bail
[03:17]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:30] <Source> Unlikely it was only like $25k[03:30] <Source>  10% down if you use a bails bondsman[03:30] <Source> The other reason to spend multiple days in jail is resisting arrest[03:31] <schestowitz> I see
[03:17]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:31] <Source> https://www.austintexas.gov/police/mug_shots/index.cfm
[03:17]	TR Bot	Booking Photo Database Search | AustinTexas.gov
[03:17]	schestowitz[TR]	[03:31] <Source> It says they post mugshots 13 days after arrest[03:32] <schestowitz> [03:28] <Source> [21:27:55] xxxxxx: I'm trying to get the police report for arrest he "might" have spent multiple days in jail
[03:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	ifhonestly
[03:17]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]where was mjg59_ ?
[03:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	alex gravely could literally kill half a dozen people
[03:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	it wouldnt affect github
[03:17]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[03:17]	DaemonFC	In the bathroom at the open source conference making sure he wasn't "missing out".
[03:17]	schestowitz[TR]	and he would keep his job
[03:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know
[03:17]	schestowitz[TR]	protected by ther microsoft mole inside the LF board
[03:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it woudlnt affect github
[03:17]	schestowitz[TR]	she is still there too, btw
[03:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	the linux farce
[03:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	the linux fabrication
[03:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	gotta save farce for christine
[03:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	fossfarce
[03:19]	schestowitz[TR]	rms, begone -- MICROSOFT github pettiionb
[03:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	by antichristine and brusque bilefield
[03:19]	schestowitz[TR]	signed by http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
[03:19]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: Don't miss out now.
[03:19]	TR Bot	 Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett | Techrights
[03:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[03:20]	schestowitz[TR]	petition  managed by elana hamasman from azure http://techrights.org/2022/08/19/elana-hashman-cancel-culture/
[03:20]	TR Bot	 IBM/Azures Elana Hashman, Only Two Months After Starting a Campaign to Delete RMS, Said Israel Should Not Exist | Techrights
[03:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	auntie christine
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> the linux farce
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	<highest_cubist_thrills> the linux fabrication
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	go to foss force
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	ANY page
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	watch the LF ads
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	you might say,
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	OK, so fossforce takes money  to shill an LF disploma mill
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	but it's worse
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	because christine knows what they ae
[03:21]	schestowitz[TR]	but sold out, regardless
[03:22]	schestowitz[TR]	BRUCE BYFIELD 
[03:22]	schestowitz[TR]	https://fossforce.com/2020/01/can-the-linux-foundation-speak-for-free-software/
[03:22]	TR Bot	 Can the Linux Foundation Speak for Free Software? - FOSS Force
[03:22]	schestowitz[TR]	https://fossforce.com/2016/01/linux-foundation-sells-out-brave-new-browser-more/
[03:22]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Sells Out, Brave New Browser & More - FOSS Force
[03:22]	schestowitz[TR]	go to this page
[03:22]	schestowitz[TR]	now watch the LF ads all oveer it
[03:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://fossforce.com/2020/01/can-the-linux-foundation-speak-for-free-software/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines
[03:22]	TR Bot	 Betteridge's law of headlines - Wikipedia
[03:22]	schestowitz[TR]	so LF sold out, says the page
[03:23]	schestowitz[TR]	ina  site that itself sold out
[03:23]	schestowitz[TR]	amazing
[03:23]	schestowitz[TR]	https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/39546.html
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	hypocrisy is what all of this is based on
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	so, yeah
[03:23]	TR Bot	 mjg59 | Linux Foundation quietly drops community representation
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you simply throw phanes and mjg into a fly chamber
[03:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	both will suicide for what they believe is the better good
[03:24]	schestowitz[TR]	m by Bruce Byfield
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	now, this isnt fair to phanes
[03:24]	schestowitz[TR]	https://thenewstack.io/linux-foundation-critics/
[03:24]	TR Bot	 The Linux Foundation and Its Critics - The New Stack
[03:24]	schestowitz[TR]	https://fossforce.com/2017/04/lin-desktop-linux-gpl-openness/
[03:24]	TR Bot	 The Linux Foundation: Not a Friend of Desktop Linux, the GPL, or Openness - FOSS Force
[03:24]	schestowitz[TR]	with LF ads all over the page
[03:24]	schestowitz[TR]	I call this sellout
[03:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	but until we get a fly chamber its pretty moot anyway
[03:24]	schestowitz[TR]	when you become a shill fo what you know to be corrupt
[03:24]	schestowitz[TR]	because ytou are paid to do it
[03:25]	schestowitz[TR]	"In 2008, I was asked to attend the (by invitation only), Linux Collaboration Summit in Austin Texas. Since I am local to Austin and my head swelled X 10 by receiving this invite, I rounded up one of our non profit Directors and we pushed our way through the front door, into Mecca, as far as I was concerned.
[03:25]	schestowitz[TR]	"
[03:25]	schestowitz[TR]	-ken starks
[03:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	In 2008, I was asked to attend the (by invitation only)
[03:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	make selling out seem like an exclusive opportunity
[03:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me pictures github and microsoft people standing around like theyre cool
[03:26]	schestowitz[TR]	marcia was banned form their event
[03:26]	schestowitz[TR]	for not  shining the shoes of GAFAM
[03:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	shes probably banned from lieplanet too
[03:26]	schestowitz[TR]	like jono bacon had done
[03:26]	schestowitz[TR]	that's LF in a nutshell
[03:26]	schestowitz[TR]	they are like mundie
[03:26]	schestowitz[TR]	in the elevator
[03:26]	schestowitz[TR]	"I'm your worsst nighmare"
[03:26]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: Mostly Beavis & Butt-Head Do the Universe was meh, but the part where they wander into a liberal college where a professor is explaining White Privilege was pretty funny. She gives them the idea that because they're white and male they can do whatever they want and  nobody will ever stop them and they'll have no trouble with the police, so they immediately  go on a crime...
[03:26]	DaemonFC	...spree that ends in wrecking a police car, nearly get shot by the cops, get arrested, and get thrown in jail, all over the next 10 minutes.
[03:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	eric s rambo
[03:27]	DaemonFC	I rather enjoyed that one scene.
[03:27]	schestowitz[TR]	http://web.archive.org/web/20170323185715/https://www.linux.com/blog/learn/chapter/open-source-management/2017/3/5-legal-risks-companies-involved-open-source-software-development
[03:27]	TR Bot	 5 Legal Risks For Companies Involved in Open Source Software Development | Linux.com | The source for Linux information
[03:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	"i met richard stallman in an elevator around 1983"
[03:27]	schestowitz[TR]	anti-GPL
[03:27]	schestowitz[TR]	from LF
[03:27]	schestowitz[TR]	funded by Microsoft
[03:27]	schestowitz[TR]	black Duck
[03:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	"he told me he was starting an organisation to promote freedom"
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	"Thank you, Christine! Ive been saying it for years. In light of the recent VMware Gold class member situation also, who could ignore all the behavior by the Foundation.
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	"
[03:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	and i remember he looked at me sort of condescendingly and said 'and what do you do"
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	hey, hold on
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	Christine too sold out to them
[03:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	"and i gave him a sort of 1000 yard stare and said
[03:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	"im your best friend"
[03:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <schestowitz[TR]> Christine too sold out to them <- i mean, yeah
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	bought with GAFAM money
[03:28]	schestowitz[TR]	you can see where LF money comes from
[03:29]	schestowitz[TR]	you might call it "hush money"
[03:29]	schestowitz[TR]	defuse critics
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	if jim had anything to say
[03:29]	schestowitz[TR]	they did the same to "It's FOSS"
[03:29]	schestowitz[TR]	Then It's FOSS published their sponsored LF spam into tuxmacines
[03:29]	schestowitz[TR]	I unpublished it
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	jim is the proverbial puppy youd be kicking by attacking microsoft
[03:29]	schestowitz[TR]	Jim is a fraud
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	christine is a cat
[03:29]	schestowitz[TR]	so is the wife
[03:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	if christine sees bill gates sitting on a toilet
[03:30]	schestowitz[TR]	the piillow talk might be lol'ing over how to defraud people
[03:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	she says "ugh, you shit where you drink?"
[03:30]	schestowitz[TR]	and how easy it is to get away with it
[03:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	and jim zemlin says
[03:30]	highest_cubist_thrills	"WOW! YOU CAN DRINK WITH YOUR ARSE?"
[03:30]	schestowitz[TR]	because you are protected by a wall of corporate lawyers
[03:30]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/jim-admires-bill/
[03:30]	TR Bot	 Sheela Microsoft (Zemlin) Does Not Like Linux and Jim Zemlin Idolises Bill Gates | Techrights
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[03:38]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, rianne moved her sbc over to microsd yesterday
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR]	a lot faster now
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR]	but at risk of breaking
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR]	there is a backup/fallover though
[03:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	is betteridge's law of headlines correct? | matslina <- lol
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR]	remains an enigma why usb is slow slow for both of us to run off of
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR]	let's see how fast firefox runs over ssh -X
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR]	on an 'old' machine
[03:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	remains an enigma why usb is slow slow for both of us to run off <- i mean
[03:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	you have the usb controller, the interface on the drive enclusure, the drive itself, the quality and bandwidth of the cable
[03:42]	TR News	Links 12/09/2022: New in KDE Plasma 5.26, Istio Has New Releases | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/12/istio-has-new-releases/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/12/istio-has-new-releases/
[03:42]	TR Bot	 Links 12/09/2022: New in KDE Plasma 5.26, Istio Has New Releases | Techrights
[03:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	plus the drivers 
[03:42]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: is so full of shit it's flowing out of his ears. But that's just the social justice crap.
[03:42]	DaemonFC	He knows he's an idiot on some level I'm sure.
[03:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	any of those could be the bottleneck
[03:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	as well as the filesystem itself
[03:43]	DaemonFC	He can't possibly think that the cops are like, out there tripping over themselves to bring in White people alive or go easy on them to avoid tricking them into false confessions that will send them to prison.
[03:43]	DaemonFC	If he does think that, I can let him interview me about the police sometime.
[03:44]	DaemonFC	I think it would be an opportunity to shine some light on how wrong he's been. 
[03:44]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: I had a talk with my doctor about 988 and mental health and the police today.
[03:45]	DaemonFC	She asked if I ever felt suicidal. I said, "In a general sense, quite a lot of the time, actually. But that's been going on forever now.".
[03:45]	schestowitz[TR]	you will be OK
[03:45]	schestowitz[TR]	be ok to mandy, he will lookm after you
[03:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	Behdad Esfahbod, developer of HarfBuzz HarfBuzz evolved from code that was originally part of the FreeType project
[03:45]	DaemonFC	She says, "You can call 988 if you need help with that.". I immediately said, "I would never call them. They dox people and send the police out to shoot them.".
[03:45]	DaemonFC	She opens her eyes and so does the student.
[03:46]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah, it's like CIA in Pakistan
[03:46]	DaemonFC	"What do you mean they come out and shoot you?"
[03:46]	schestowitz[TR]	with polio vaccines
[03:46]	schestowitz[TR]	they used that to pick up DNA samples
[03:46]	schestowitz[TR]	and then pakinstanis started killing doctors
[03:46]	schestowitz[TR]	assuming all of them were just CIA assets
[03:46]	schestowitz[TR]	with surveillance campitalism people think twice before seeking advice
[03:46]	schestowitz[TR]	as they assume no confidentiality
[03:46]	DaemonFC	I said, "Oh someone hasn't read the news. Like that guy up in Michigan. Totally unarmed. Mom calls the cops to do a wellness check on her son, and they go in there and shoot him, execution style. I don't trust the police. I don't answer their questions even if they've only pulled me over for speeding.".
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR]	and the psycho*s enter data into a Windows machine
[03:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me has no idea what roy is on about
[03:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/issues/2804
[03:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	Harfbuzz has started trying to render emoji variation selectors #2804. Closed kovidgoyal opened this issue Jan 5, 2021
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR]	probably sending the data to "the clown"
[03:47]	DaemonFC	"Name, rank, and serial number. Anything more, talk to my attorney."
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR]	god knows what happens to data on "the clown"
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR]	or what the psych*s write about you
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR]	there is a seinfeld episoe about it
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR]	you wan tto know what the doc types abouy uou
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR]	and as you confront them they add more
[03:47]	schestowitz[TR]	and don't tell you
[03:48]	DaemonFC	I said that I don't trust the police and don't answer police questions.
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR]	right
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR]	don't engage with them
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR]	they are always right
[03:48]	DaemonFC	I said if I felt actively suicidal I would take myself somewhere for treatment, but I would not call the cops.
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR]	and you are only right wqhen it suits them
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR]	when it proves them right
[03:48]	schestowitz[TR]	and did I mention they are deceitful and violent? 
[03:49]	DaemonFC	The last thing you should do is call the police. Or call 988, because 2% of the time they call the police.
[03:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	doctors?
[03:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	At this time Qt ships with its own copy of HarfBuzz which is identical to the upstream HarfBuzz. Pango ships with its own copy also, but only uses the layout engine, and not the HarfBuzz shapers. Since 2008 the author has been working on rewriting the layout engine to be more robust and use mmap()ed fonts efficiently
[03:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	attack surface
[03:49]	DaemonFC	So you're playing Russian Roulette as to whether the cops come out after you, and again on whether they just kill you while they're out there.
[03:49]	schestowitz[TR]	not sure about UK
[03:49]	DaemonFC	You called and said you wanted to die.
[03:49]	schestowitz[TR]	but in the US, psych*s became informants
[03:49]	DaemonFC	Okay buddy, here it is.
[03:49]	schestowitz[TR]	for employers, pol,ice, gov
[03:50]	schestowitz[TR]	and later cops and psych*s wonder why people don't trust them enough
[03:50]	DaemonFC	If you actually want to die, call 988 and they might arrange a suicide by cop for you.
[03:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	patriot act = no more ethical doctors
[03:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	oops, we fucked up!
[03:50]	DaemonFC	You never know. The police are there to deal with CRIMINALS not the mentally ill.
[03:50]	DaemonFC	They get training that's more like what a soldier does than a psychologist.
[03:50]	schestowitz[TR]	hmmm... firefox can run surprisingly ok over LAN on another machine
[03:50]	schestowitz[TR]	I expected more lag
[03:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <schestowitz[TR]> not sure about UK <- its the same
[03:51]	schestowitz[TR]	there obv. would be latecy if you tried playing videos
[03:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <schestowitz[TR]> I expected more lag <- wwwhhheeeennnn dooo yyyyyyoooo sttttaarrrttt tyyyyyypiiiinnngg liiiikkeeeee thiiiiiissssss
[03:52]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: The United Nations says that the United States violates the human rights of mentally ill people. They didn't name names, but like, they said that "forced mental health treatment" is a human rights violation.
[03:52]	schestowitz[TR]	it's the same with internal WBVer mechanismss
[03:52]	schestowitz[TR]	if you use them, they flag you
[03:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	i know thats a different application, i just assumed your network is swamped now
[03:52]	DaemonFC	The US has "forced mental health".
[03:52]	schestowitz[TR]	snowden learned this from prior nsa WBers
[03:52]	schestowitz[TR]	and their court cases
[03:52]	schestowitz[TR]	better not get flagged
[03:52]	schestowitz[TR]	test the waters
[03:52]	DaemonFC	If you tell a psychiatrist you want to kill yourself, you get forcibly committed for not less than 72 hours.
[03:52]	schestowitz[TR]	then go directly to the press
[03:52]	DaemonFC	And as long as they want you there.
[03:52]	schestowitz[TR]	same with cops andpsych*s
[03:53]	schestowitz[TR]	better call family or friends
[03:53]	schestowitz[TR]	they mioght say,
[03:53]	schestowitz[TR]	"son, I want you to get professional help"
[03:53]	schestowitz[TR]	but they won't phone
[03:53]	DaemonFC	I don't think people should be forcibly committed. I actually think a lot of people should get help committing suicide if that's what they really want.
[03:53]	schestowitz[TR]	(not based on personal experience btw)
[03:53]	DaemonFC	Because if they do it themselves, it's going to be fucking ugly, and it may ruin a lot of people's day.
[03:53]	schestowitz[TR]	a circle of confidants is better
[03:54]	schestowitz[TR]	a german friednd of mine ran in front of a bus
[03:54]	schestowitz[TR]	after some girl had turned him down, rejected him
[03:54]	DaemonFC	Yes, that's what I'm saying.
[03:54]	schestowitz[TR]	we spent all night with her
[03:54]	schestowitz[TR]	*him
[03:54]	DaemonFC	He walks in front of a bus. Messy.
[03:54]	schestowitz[TR]	and he felt better
[03:54]	DaemonFC	Other people traumatized.
[03:54]	schestowitz[TR]	cried a lot, told stories, opened up
[03:54]	schestowitz[TR]	noi need for shrinks
[03:54]	DaemonFC	He's dead. There's a mess to clean up.
[03:54]	schestowitz[TR]	shared with friends
[03:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	 :)
[03:54]	schestowitz[TR]	his dad abused him a lot
[03:54]	DaemonFC	What's changed besides the fact that it turns into a bad day all around?
[03:55]	schestowitz[TR]	no record of what happened
[03:55]	schestowitz[TR]	or his name for that matter
[03:55]	DaemonFC	You can only cry so much.
[03:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	im pretty sure there are still some people who need medication
[03:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you know any circle of friends that can provide that
[03:55]	schestowitz[TR]	he suffered a breakdown because of that spanish gal
[03:56]	DaemonFC	It's not medication as much as it is a chemical restraint.
[03:56]	schestowitz[TR]	so it was partly temporary
[03:56]	DaemonFC	I don't think it was just that.
[03:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not an industry im largely sympathetic to
[03:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	but im pretty sure at least a few people need it
[03:56]	DaemonFC	That might have been the last straw.
[03:56]	schestowitz[TR]	no need for meds
[03:56]	schestowitz[TR]	they can worsen things
[03:56]	schestowitz[TR]	he suffered rejection
[03:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes they often do worsen things
[03:56]	DaemonFC	I've had thoughts like that before. Constant rejection.
[03:56]	DaemonFC	I makes you bitter. 
[03:56]	schestowitz[TR]	he said to us
[03:56]	schestowitz[TR]	"I'm taking the next bus"
[03:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	im trying to figure out if youre saying your friend didnt need meds
[03:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	or no one does
[03:57]	schestowitz[TR]	then ran in front of one
[03:57]	DaemonFC	"Catching the bus" is a suicide euphemism.
[03:57]	DaemonFC	I used to be a member of that Alt.Suicide.Holiday and Alt.Suicide.Bus.Stop group.
[03:57]	DaemonFC	They had an IRC server for years.
[03:57]	schestowitz[TR]	way to signal he wanted help
[03:57]	schestowitz[TR]	thew bus did not go fast enough
[03:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	lucky he didnt use a train
[03:58]	schestowitz[TR]	they are fenced here
[03:58]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I've had that thought.
[03:58]	schestowitz[TR]	for this reason I reckon
[03:58]	schestowitz[TR]	or terror attacks
[03:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	surely
[03:58]	DaemonFC	Oh, they're not fenced here and they get up to about 80 miles an hour in some places.
[03:58]	schestowitz[TR]	but a determined person can leap past them, many ways
[03:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think terrorists know how to breach fences
[03:58]	DaemonFC	You have a Metra train doing 80, you're done.
[03:58]	schestowitz[TR]	suicide by fall is a lot easier tbh
[03:58]	DaemonFC	That's how the CEO of Metra killed himself.
[03:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	they should make a booklet
[03:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	"easist ways to kill yourself"
[03:59]	schestowitz[TR]	someone from EPO jumped into the subway years ago
[03:59]	DaemonFC	There are some books like that.
[03:59]	schestowitz[TR]	after his holiday
[03:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	"a lot of people jump in front of busses, but this is unreliable"
[03:59]	DaemonFC	They're illegal in some countries.
[03:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.41 k/sec., IPFS upstream 83.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 181.81
[03:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	"trains are fenced in but a determined person can get past that"
[03:59]	DaemonFC	In others, they open you up to wrongful death lawsuits by family members.
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[04:00]	schestowitz[TR]	a few weeks ago I saw a photo of him
[04:00]	schestowitz[TR]	when going through old albums
[04:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me still believes there are people (however few) that cannot function without medication
[04:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	i hope its only 12
[04:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its at least 12
[04:00]	schestowitz[TR]	(brb)
[04:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	techrights.org/2020/08/13/harfbuzz-microsoft/
[04:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	The name "Harfbuzz" is based on a translation of the phrase "OpenFont". Its lead author is Behdad Esfahbod, who is also the lead dev of Pango the GNOME thingy that (typically) makes text happen. I don't know (or very much care) about the finer details about that, I know that my Gtk applications refuse to run without it.
[04:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	i thought it was a translation of "fuck yo couch"
[04:02]	DaemonFC	I don't know why the IRC server went away, but it's probably just as well that it did.
[04:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5DoynGDYRoM
[04:03]	DaemonFC	It got depressing to meet people and then they were gone.
[04:03]	TR Bot	 The Real Rules About Medicine in Scientology - Invidious
[04:03]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe legal issues
[04:03]	schestowitz[TR]	I'd imagine
[04:03]	schestowitz[TR]	there are some possible liabilities
[04:03]	schestowitz[TR]	like, if you give bad advice
[04:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and then the family finds out
[04:04]	schestowitz[TR]	https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=techrights
[04:04]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[04:04]	schestowitz[TR]	over 500 networks of size >50 at one point https://netsplit.de/networks/
[04:04]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[04:04]	schestowitz[TR]	it used to be 400+
[04:04]	schestowitz[TR]	IRC is still steady
[04:05]	schestowitz[TR]	while social control media is collapsing
[04:05]	schestowitz[TR]	BTW
[04:05]	schestowitz[TR]	re FB
[04:05]	schestowitz[TR]	I read yesterday they lay off more peopl
[04:05]	schestowitz[TR]	apparently their VR ambitions (aka "METAverse) is floundering already
[04:05]	DaemonFC	I doubt anyone ever expected that to work.
[04:06]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Monday, September 12, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:06]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[04:06]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: it was vapourware
[04:06]	schestowitz[TR]	1) distract from the WBer (Francis
[04:06]	schestowitz[TR]	2) change company name
[04:06]	schestowitz[TR]	3) tell some BS to shareholders
[04:06]	schestowitz[TR]	4) try to compensate for loss of users
[04:06]	schestowitz[TR]	tbh, don't know what FBInstagram and WhatApp see in terms of # of users
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR]	we just know that for quite a few now FB lost active users
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR]	and then tried to expand in the global south
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR]	to make up for the losses
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR]	to artificially inflate numbers
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR]	Twitter did that with bots
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR]	and algorithks that steer you into busy "tweets"
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR]	and won't let you see all the hidden/abandoned stuff
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR]	upcycling "Trafic"
[04:07]	schestowitz[TR]	foir "enegagement";
[04:08]	schestowitz[TR]	while screwing all the original users
[04:08]	schestowitz[TR]	toi impress shareholders
[04:08]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:08]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:09]	schestowitz[TR]	gosh, mozills killed off so many useful firefox extensions
[04:09]	schestowitz[TR]	not just thunderbird ones
[04:09]	schestowitz[TR]	"unified" experience my a**
[04:09]	schestowitz[TR]	they ruin what was good about these 
[04:09]	schestowitz[TR]	them(e)ing has been reduced to shitty top bar
[04:10]	schestowitz[TR]	you used to be able to control the whole thing
[04:10]	schestowitz[TR]	menus, menu items, scroll bars..
[04:10]	schestowitz[TR]	it was like the 'emacs of browsers'
[04:10]	DaemonFC	SeaMonkey clanks and clunks because the Web is shit.
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR]	yes, here si the thing
[04:11]	DaemonFC	But most of the Web sites that fail are hardly worth using anyway.
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR]	it might sound corny
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR]	the web is the browser
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR]	the browsers are the web
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR]	they are pairs
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR]	client/host
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR]	sender/receiver
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR]	renderer/transmitter
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR]	so as browsers get bloated
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR]	so do the sites
[04:11]	schestowitz[TR]	and the w3c 'standards' just catchn up
[04:11]	DaemonFC	I overheard some chatter that the latest SeaMonkey patches will deal with YouTube better.
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	with what browsers alreadt implement or implemented
[04:12]	DaemonFC	But thanks to sites like these, you're basically just tending to the corpse.
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	read: chrome
[04:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	the web is the browser | the browsers are the web <- close enough
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	as so many browsers are not branched off that
[04:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	and theyre both shit
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	so www just becamne "the chrome language"
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	mozills is like a lame arse imitation
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	witj gecko
[04:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	not historically, but 
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	giving you illusion you are not left out
[04:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	in a sense, sort of
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR]	"we made the doors wide... for wheelchair"
[04:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me would like to be left out of the web
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR]	"enven disabled people can compete"
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR]	(but they don't stand a chance in the REAL olympics"
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR]	mozilla became disabled person
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR]	aproppos
[04:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me give the metaphor a wheelchair
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	https://blog.mozilla.org/en/interviews/keah-brown-disabled-and-cute-hashtag/
[04:14]	TR Bot	 The childrens book author behind #disabledandcute on her favorite corners of the internet
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	#disabledandcute
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	welcome to the new mozilla
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	#disabledandcute
[04:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	mozilla isnt cute
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	they also did a podcast about covid yesterday
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	yes, covid
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	what the f**rk?
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	mozilla..., covid company
[04:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	is that the name of their new rendering engine?
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	liek FL 
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	LF = vaccines
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2021/06/14/vaccine-spam-in-linux-news/
[04:15]	TR Bot	 Conveniently Conflating Vaccination With the Surveillance Business of IBM/Linux Foundation | Techrights
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	mozilla is cute
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	but it's no blink
[04:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	once an organisation (osi, osfsf, mossilla) stops standing for a cause
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	and no chromium
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	but it's "cute"
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	you can avoid gulag
[04:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	all thats left is a lot of attention wrhoring for donations / sponsors / pageviews
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	no, you can't 
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	mozills is controlled by the same bosses
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	and worse: http://techrights.org/2022/09/10/mozilla-three-letter-agencies/
[04:16]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Hired Top-Level Managers Directly From the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Can They Be Trusted on Privacy? | Techrights
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	sounds like conspiracy BS, but it's factual
[04:16]		*schestowitz[TR] donates to mozilla
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR]	lately rianne has been donating to elphant charties several times per week./ maybe she should donate to moz for librewolf ^_^
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR]	or just donate directly to librewolf
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR]	mozilla takes a load of money for spying
[04:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe librewolf should change its name to librelephant
[04:18]	schestowitz[TR]	and then asks us, the products, for donations
[04:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	mozilla is a scam
[04:18]	schestowitz[TR]	the money lands in some yuppie's accoutn http://techrights.org/2022/07/07/baker-salaries/
[04:18]	TR Bot	 This Month Mozilla Firefox Reached Its Lowest Share (Just 3%), But CEO Baker Made a Fortune (Especially When Mozilla Sank) | Techrights
[04:18]	schestowitz[TR]	a yuppie who could never program
[04:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	but she does have expensive hair
[04:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	unlike some fucking hippies
[04:19]	schestowitz[TR]	the hair is a distraction
[04:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	i was sure it was in the mission statement
[04:19]	schestowitz[TR]	she would likely loook like Sinad O'Connor if she shaved it off
[04:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	seriously, the hair is an integral issue
[04:19]	schestowitz[TR]	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Mitchell_Baker.jpg/220px-Mitchell_Baker.jpg
[04:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[04:20]	schestowitz[TR]	17 years ago
[04:20]	schestowitz[TR]	I can imagine her looks now
[04:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	i just picture eva braun
[04:20]	schestowitz[TR]	2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#/media/File:Mitchell_Baker-20081018.jpg
[04:20]	TR Bot	 Mitchell Baker - Wikipedia
[04:20]	schestowitz[TR]	looks male
[04:21]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.incimages.com/uploaded_files/image/1920x1080/feature-104-mozilla-pan_7395.jpg
[04:21]	schestowitz[TR]	she tried modelling the hair after firefox
[04:21]	schestowitz[TR]	or vice versa?
[04:22]	schestowitz[TR]	hard to find any recent photos of her
[04:22]	schestowitz[TR]	she is almost retirement age now
[04:22]	schestowitz[TR]	65
[04:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe shes in her 40s but adopted mozillas versioning
[04:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	now every few months shes 10 versions older
[04:22]	schestowitz[TR]	would you retire when you can still milk over $3 million per year from a company you helped kill?
[04:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	well, im not mitchell baker
[04:23]	schestowitz[TR]	seems she evaded cameras in recent years
[04:23]	schestowitz[TR]	hard to find photos from past 10 years
[04:24]	schestowitz[TR]	I can envision it's a piggyback with red hair, sharped to resembled the latest iteration of the log
[04:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	how much do the photos matter
[04:24]	schestowitz[TR]	they keep changing the logo
[04:24]	schestowitz[TR]	even making it WORSE than prior iterations
[04:24]	schestowitz[TR]	it's quicker than fixing firefox 
[04:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think the fsf has a new logo, but i dont know if its official
[04:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean
[04:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	what does official mean at the fsf
[04:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre a farce
[04:25]	schestowitz[TR]	and they probably paid some "artistic types" in "|Bay Area" like $100,000 each time they muck about with the "swoosh" logo
[04:25]	schestowitz[TR]	invoice: we made the colours a bit diffewrent, total bill  $100,000
[04:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	or baker takes 100,000 and hires someone outside the subway for $100 and keeps the rest
[04:25]	schestowitz[TR]	the new mozilla logo was widely mocked
[04:26]	schestowitz[TR]	there were much better proposala
[04:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	lets be fair
[04:26]	schestowitz[TR]	that the community had submitted
[04:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a stupid project
[04:26]	schestowitz[TR]	they rejected these
[04:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	a stupid logo is appropriate
[04:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	moonchild can say "at least we dont use that fucking logo"
[04:26]	schestowitz[TR]	https://todaysecommerce.com/web-stories/a-sneak-peek-into-mitchell-bakers-net-worth/
[04:26]	TR Bot	 A Sneak Peek Into Mitchell Baker's Net Worth - Today's Ecommerce
[04:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	have some javascript
[04:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	if the economy collapses, maybe she can sell her hair
[04:27]	schestowitz[TR]	15 million
[04:27]	schestowitz[TR]	the number of firefox users in a couple of years
[04:27]	schestowitz[TR]	and how many dollars she took
[04:28]	schestowitz[TR]	https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/evolving-the-firefox-brand/
[04:28]	TR Bot	 Evolving the Firefox Brand - Mozilla Open Design
[04:28]	schestowitz[TR]	https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/now-for-the-fun-part/
[04:28]	TR Bot	 Now for the fun part of Mozilla's logo design. - Mozilla Open Design
[04:28]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/30/17631766/firefox-logo-redesign-mozilla-user-feedback
[04:28]	TR Bot	 Firefox is getting a new logo, and Mozilla wants to hear what users think - The Verge
[04:29]	schestowitz[TR]	https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/files/2016/08/jb_Mozilla_A_eye_1.jpg
[04:29]	schestowitz[TR]	eye of saurus :-)
[04:29]	schestowitz[TR]	apt
[04:29]	schestowitz[TR]	given the spyware
[04:30]	schestowitz[TR]	"mozilla,,,,,,,,, are you... like, watching me?"
[04:30]	schestowitz[TR]	mozilla: no!
[04:30]	schestowitz[TR]	"telemetry"
[04:30]	schestowitz[TR]	"to improve the experience"
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR]	"ok, then, mozilla... stay classy"
[04:31]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont care, because theyre part of the coup
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	oh, wait
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	but nnot officially
[04:32]	highest_cubist_thrills	i will gladly watch mozilla implode
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	i mean, mozilla as an org/ (company) did not issue a statement
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	suse, for example, did
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	and some staff was not happy
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	sap doll as CEO of SUSE
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	SAP
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR]	I mean, she didn't need to make a statement
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR]	we already know SAP salespeople do not like what RMS says about them
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR]	it's tragic that a slaeperson from SAP runs SUSE
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR]	even hovsepian was not that bad
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR]	he came from ICBM
[04:34]	schestowitz[TR]	ICBM "it came from above"
[04:35]	TR News	Simon Boaks SB116 is a TI Programmer-inspired DIY calculator | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/13/simon-boaks-sb116-is-a-ti-programmer-inspired-diy-calculator/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/13/simon-boaks-sb116-is-a-ti-programmer-inspired-diy-calculator/
[04:35]	TR Bot	 Simon Boak's SB116 is a TI Programmer-inspired DIY calculator | Arduino Blog
[04:36]	TR News	How to set up Jellyfin on Linux in Docker https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-set-up-jellyfin-on-linux-in-docker/
[04:36]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-set-up-jellyfin-on-linux-in-docker/ )
[04:36]	TR News	"This write-up will discuss the approaches for checking the type of variable in Java." https://linuxhint.com/check-variable-type-in-java/
[04:36]	TR Bot	 How to Check Variable Type in Java
[04:37]	TR News	Notice how much of the Microsoft-bribed media tries to associate Go (Golang) with malware because people COULD write malware in Go and yet don't mention what became of JavaScript and POWERshell
[04:39]	TR News	The B in ICBM stands for Bailout. On an international (I) scale, ICBM relies on government (no-bid) contracts, e.g. for surveillance and weapon systems. ICBM got caught, repeatedly, not just grifting but also bribing (yes, crime, nobody arrested) for such contracts.
[04:40]	TR News	"I'd like to see Gnome applications written in .NET in version 4.0 - no, version 3.0. But Gnome 4.0 should be based on .NET." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/01/gnome_to_be_based/
[04:40]	TR Bot	 Gnome to be based on .NET de Icaza The Register
[04:40]	TR News	systemd is controlled by Microsoft on several levels now
[04:41]	TR News	GPL is a cancer, say people who profit from cancer and patents on various other fatal diseases
[04:43]	TR News	SJVN in his latest ZDNet piece (of s-) neglected to connect patent trolls and their attacks on Free software... to how USELESS the OIN and LOT Network are. Why? Follow the money. He's paid to shill them and pass on their lies.
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[04:44]	TR News	Linux Foundation promoting surveillance again https://www.prweb.com/releases/new_metaverse_track_at_o3dcon_to_tackle_big_questions_and_practical_applications_of_emerging_graphical_technology/prweb18891315.htm
[04:44]	TR Bot	 New Metaverse Track at O3DCon to Tackle Big Questions and Practical Applications of Emerging Graphical Technology
[04:45]	TR News	1992: "Linux" is a kernel 2002: "Linux" is an operating system 2012: "Linux" is a buzzword (thanks, LF!) 2022: "Linux" is vaccines and surveillance and Microsoft and...
[04:47]	TR News	The metaphysics of ontopoetics and panpsychism gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-09-13.gmi
[04:56]	TR News	Kristall has an utterly dumb way of handling TSL certificates for HTTPS. Very disappointing. It's OK with self-signed for Gemini but not HTTPS? Why? No good reasons!
[04:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 130.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 168.98
[04:59]	TR News	OK, Kristall's handling of TSL bullshit is clearly buggy. Worthless.
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[05:01]	TR News	We should be 'forgiving' towards sites that self-sign certificates (many have legitimate reasons) and less 'forgiving' towards Web browsers that deny this. Who are they serving? Users? Sites? Or the CA cartel?
[05:03]	TR News	In the case of Kristall, it seems to boil down to a bug. It does not seem to be actively developed anymore (not since last xmas), so many a fix is not on the way.
[05:07]	DaemonFC	TIL: In the UK, they can basically put you on trial as many times as they want as long as they keep saying they found "substantial new evidence".
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[05:31]	DaemonFC	Does Haiku run on any actual hardware.
[05:31]	DaemonFC	Or is it one of those "Toss this in a VM and it crashes a lot." things like ReactOS?
[05:31]	schestowitz[TR]	good question
[05:31]	DaemonFC	I wonder if anyone maintains SeaMonkey or Firefox for Haiku.
[05:31]	schestowitz[TR]	but maybe they make a business selling it preloaded
[05:32]	DaemonFC	Theoretically it should be possible.
[05:32]	schestowitz[TR]	netsurf
[05:32]	DaemonFC	WebPositive is apparently the Haiku replacement for NetPositive in BeOS.
[05:32]	DaemonFC	NetPositive had its own rendering engine, and it had haikus for error messages.
[05:33]	DaemonFC	But that was when the Web was so small you could make a 2-3 MB browser that ran it all pretty much if you coded it efficently.
[05:33]	DaemonFC	"Bloated" Web browsers were about 40-50 MB.
[05:34]	DaemonFC	NetPositive and Opera were small because they were coded efficiently and were not meant to be a platform for application development! Opera was "cross platform" but did not draw its own GUI widgets like Mozilla in XUL.
[05:34]	DaemonFC	On OS/2 it was basically a slightly modified Windows program using Odin.
[05:34]	DaemonFC	On GNU/Linux, Opera used Qt.
[05:36]	DaemonFC	Classic Opera was a much better program than Chromium Opera.
[05:36]	DaemonFC	When they switched to Chromium I basically stopped using Opera.
[05:38]	DaemonFC	"Opera Neon concept browser for Mac & Windows"
[05:38]	DaemonFC	"Download now Free for Linux "
[05:38]	DaemonFC	LOL
[05:42]	DaemonFC	Crypto Wallet? LOL
[05:42]	schestowitz[TR]	don't touch ma wallet maaan
[05:42]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: I will put my crypto family photo in my crypto wallet
[05:43]	schestowitz[TR]	along with my crypto keys... to the home
[05:43]	schestowitz[TR]	don't forget to put a cryptoi condom in your crypto wallet
[05:43]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, how is marisol'd crypto wallet doing?
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[05:50]	schestowitz[TR]	wb
[05:50]	schestowitz[TR]	I've just recorded a video
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR]	i really ought to get back to doing 3 per day
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR]	but topics are not easy to find
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR]	if you avoid repetition of themes
[05:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah
[05:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	ive been looking online for any signs that anyone actually gives a shit about free software
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR]	rms talks are typically 50% or more reuse
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR]	the Q and A has some new material
[05:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	once you make it about everything else instead
[05:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	it pretty much becomes about everything else instead
[05:52]	schestowitz[TR]	but he then comments on things he does not know, never use, cannot undeersatnd
[05:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	well, hes dead
[05:52]	schestowitz[TR]	or say things someone told him
[05:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes a puppet without a hand
[05:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	propped up in a corner with nothing to say
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	he softened a bit
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	he no longer says stuff like
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	proprietary is evil
[05:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes been tenderised
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	because it's not suit-friendly
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	so they encourage him to water down his free expression
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	and it shows
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	same with torvalds
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	forced to take manners "Training"
[05:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	well ive been saying it for two years 
[05:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	the real stallman is not coming back
[05:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	same with torvalds
[05:54]	schestowitz[TR]	here sia  term for you
[05:54]	schestowitz[TR]	"manners talibanism"
[05:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	fancy
[05:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	heres one
[05:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	stockholm syndrome
[05:54]	schestowitz[TR]	oh, btw
[05:54]	schestowitz[TR]	sweden voted for the right
[05:55]	schestowitz[TR]	they seem to not want taliban taking over   their country
[05:55]	schestowitz[TR]	which is unexpected for those who thought swedes were liberal
[05:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats just being wrong for the right reasons
[05:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	what makes the taliban a threat to sweden?
[05:56]	schestowitz[TR]	I'm refering to people who reject the culture
[05:56]	schestowitz[TR]	and form neighbourhood-wide 'colonies'
[05:56]	schestowitz[TR]	it's not a qunieuly swedish problem
[05:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	what you mean immigrants
[05:56]	schestowitz[TR]	but going back to software
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	the FSF has been coopted by pseudo-manners
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	so it cannot say spyware and stuff is evil
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	it's not good for sponsores
[05:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	it cant do anything
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	same for politicians
[05:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	its the new osi
[05:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	i called them the osfsf earlier 
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	immigrants per se are not a problem
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	many immigrants integrate OK
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	companies can donate to the fsf
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	and support what fsf stands for
[05:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean loads of brazilians in the same section
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	not tryint to change the fsf
[05:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	speaking portuguese and opening portguese businesses
[05:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	which is no problem at all
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR]	even if rms could speak portguese, he could still be attacked
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR]	and would
[05:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah i meant regarding "neighbourhoodwide 'colonies'"
[05:59]	schestowitz[TR]	FSF is coloniused
[05:59]	schestowitz[TR]	by people who want to be sheltered there
[05:59]	schestowitz[TR]	like LF, OSI...
[05:59]	schestowitz[TR]	they attack what they enter 
[05:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	its been taken over by corporations
[05:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 38.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 111.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 157.21
[05:59]	schestowitz[TR]	LF has just openeashed Microsoft again
[05:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	who dont want users to be free
[05:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	turning the fsf into a fraud
[05:59]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> 'Linux' Foundation openwashing for Microsoft https://www.datanami.com/2022/09/12/linkedin-donates-feature-store-to-linux-foundation/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
[05:59]	TR Bot	 LinkedIn Donates Feature Store to Linux Foundation
[05:59]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation - Techrights
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[06:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	lf is just marketing for microsoft, nothing else
[06:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"Microsoft loves Open SOurce"
[06:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf is turning into that
[06:00]	schestowitz[TR]	->Microsoft occupies Open Source[tm]
[06:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	github makes an lf of everything.
[06:00]	schestowitz[TR]	Github is PROPRIETARY
[06:00]	schestowitz[TR]	OSI LOVES GitHub
[06:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	github + fsf = lf
[06:00]	schestowitz[TR]	OSI takes bribes fromGitHub
[06:00]	schestowitz[TR]	OSI launders money forGitHub
[06:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	and more to the point
[06:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	no one does anything about it
[06:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	because everyone at the fsf is fucking useless
[06:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	useless
[06:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres no need to suck up to them
[06:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	they only take up space
[06:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	they promote bullshit 
[06:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre scabs
[06:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre corporate scabs
[06:01]	schestowitz[TR]	gtg biab
[06:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	lol
[06:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	2014: debian taken over
[06:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	2018: github taken over
[06:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	2019: fsf taken over
[06:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe these dates are later than they should be-- these are conservative estimates
[06:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	tied to major events rather than causes
[06:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	if you date by cause they would be earlier
[06:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	2019: fsf taken over <- gnu as well (ongoing)
[06:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	the takeover of gnu has been relentless
[06:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	the people who "failed" are now in control 
[06:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	surprise, its ibm and microsoft
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[06:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	2011: stallman resigns as chief gnuisance, settles for an advisory role
[06:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	he softened then, too
[06:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	that would have been okay, if someone else had done the same job he needed to
[06:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	the gnu project is full of sheep
[06:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	its run by wolves
[06:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre going to tear it to shreds
[06:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	wait until duix find out that no only emacs users will hold out for gnu 2.0
[06:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	as the world discovers that duix stands for nothing
[06:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	and thus has no features
[06:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a glorified package manager for emacs posing as an operating system
[06:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	emacs and gcc are both being taken over
[06:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	a future as shiny as red hat
[06:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	at best-- duix is doing for ibm what oliva did for red hat
[06:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[06:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	i bet you in the future, one of the duix leads goes to work for microsoft
[06:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf move from issues to marketing will finally reach the top gnu projects
[06:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	youll see the duix logo everywhere you turn
[06:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	and then just like epstein, it will be gone
[06:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	and that will be gnu
[06:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fully free distros will no longer be updated regularly, but fall behind like they used to
[06:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	and the last big projects will be gcc (ibm) and wget (github) and emacs (which will also be github)
[06:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	gcc and emacs-- just like when it started
[06:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	like the end of the tron movie when the mcp became a printout of flynns computer game
[06:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	no one will care about wget, theyll use curl (github)
[06:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	i wonder what it will take for bash to die
[06:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	hard for me to guess what shell will become a bigger deal
[06:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont like any of them
[06:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre all bloated and ridiculous
[06:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	which is why i dont like bash
[06:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	i do like <() though
[06:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <() is cool
[06:29]	highest_cubist_thrills	the one bash feature i dont use anymore, because its not available (when i dont use bash)
[06:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	<highest_cubist_thrills> i wonder what it will take for bash to die
[06:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	probably it will just move to github with the rest of what used to be gnu
[06:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	thanks to the people who used to be free software developers
[06:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	part of a movement that used to be about users controlling their computing
[06:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	which is now a contest to see who can take bill the deepest
[06:42]	geert	hmm i think it would then proof more accurate to focus to pharma
[06:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	well if i simply hated bill gates for being bill gates
[06:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	that would be a reasonable point
[06:43]	geert	like tryna catch bill via software... he kinda gets to delegate about almost all of that to others
[06:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	but since what i particularly resent is the entire free software movement bending over for monopolies
[06:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	pharma kinda has fuck-all to do with it
[06:44]	geert	well much drive there kinda didnt got to develop software for the right goals
[06:44]	geert	meaning they did it to gain userbase/fame/popularity/educate
[06:44]	geert	meaning kind of laying the definition of success in the hands of others
[06:44]	geert	and then when they found many others to be bigoted leeching ignorant goons
[06:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	sure, if you put your hand on the scale
[06:44]	geert	they kinda proof theyd idnt develop 'free software' for the right goals, hence unable to be affected all too much by userbase/fame/popularity/educate etc
[06:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	everyone weighs a few stone more
[06:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	they kinda proof theyd idnt develop 'free software' for the right goals <- my bullshit meter just exploded 
[06:45]	geert	and they proof very influencable, they put their definition of success, so to speak, in the hands of what they later figured ignorant etc.
[06:45]	geert	so they practically, many of them, gave those influence to their development efforts
[06:46]	geert	and the many ignorant well, they didnt really use it but rather abuse it
[06:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	this is a fairly elitist take on software freedom
[06:46]	geert	so then many people figured, well, i dont wana this struggle costing lots of time if going along with 'time is money' means me getting large house etc.
[06:46]	geert	im not wanting miss out on large house for ignorants
[06:46]	geert	something along those lines
[06:46]	geert	so many kind of retreated
[06:46]	geert	i think thats what you talking about
[06:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not
[06:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats a very weird interpretation
[06:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	sounds more like some youtube guys take
[06:47]	geert	well i gotto admit i didnt just read through anything
[06:47]	geert	which probably a bit rude
[06:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	no its fine
[06:47]	geert	i gotto react to, lemme get it
[06:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	im not mental outlaw, distrotube or... 
[06:48]	geert	well those later lines like about 'deepest' i got to react to
[06:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	whos the "cuck licenses" guy
[06:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	<geert> well those later lines like about 'deepest' i got to react to <- i suppose thats true
[06:48]	geert	yea it wasnt to prescribe your opinions
[06:48]	geert	i dont like such rude hostility mentally
[06:49]	geert	hostility dont necessarily need to be physically, but you probably get to know
[06:49]	geert	anyways if you get to feel depressed about it, i think you better not
[06:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	no everybodys happy now
[06:49]	geert	you should react eloquently and adequately to what you get offered via 'reality'
[06:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	by order of lieplanet
[06:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	happiness is mandatory
[06:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	manners are law
[06:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	everyone is cool now
[06:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	its great
[06:50]	geert	hmmm i kind of didnt really got to mean it like that
[06:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	microsoft can take over, we can like it
[06:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	what more do we need
[06:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	no but thats the thing
[06:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	no matter how you meant it personally
[06:50]	geert	well i think its gona turn a bit different with gates than many expect
[06:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats the order of the day
[06:50]	geert	and i think it doesnt even take so mmuch longer anymore
[06:50]	geert	actually and no you cannot 'enforce' people to 'be happy'
[06:51]	geert	lies are not very good, this is not a very smart thing to do to give in to lies
[06:51]	geert	happiness mandatory is not how happiness works, its how people wana disguise nasty shit as an example
[06:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	actually and no you cannot 'enforce' people to 'be happy' <- thats what a cult IS
[06:51]	geert	but you seem to get to know about that
[06:52]	geert	the cult rather tries utilize fear and disguise that behind as if favoring happiness i guess
[06:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	ys
[06:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes
[06:52]	geert	not everyone is cool and many manners are just crap that shouldnt even come close to be considered 'law'
[06:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	i agree
[06:52]	geert	nah you seem influenced by much crap into something like negativism or even depression
[06:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah, i get that when i say negative things
[06:53]	geert	and i would like to point out to you: there are more possibilities than difficulties, any day, any night
[06:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	i keep meaning to turn myself into a reeducation centre
[06:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	but there isnt one on the bus lines yet
[06:53]	geert	it seem like you misfocus, like you got to study mishaps, wrongdoing and lots of crap and now are more or less subconsciously misfocussing onto difficulties as if there were more difficulties than possibilities
[06:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre popping up everywhere so i figure there will be one thats easy to get to soon enough
[06:54]	geert	but i wouldnt want you to act as if you get better focus if for whatever reason misfocus continues to be issue
[06:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	what should i focus on
[06:54]	geert	some call it acting, and over the bag of so called 'your own health' either mentally or physically
[06:54]	geert	well i got toexperience some many issues also while ago and i wish you do not act about it i guess
[06:55]	geert	more possibilities than difficulties, that is better focus
[06:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	have you ever tried gentoo?
[06:55]	geert	yea some bit of playing around
[06:55]	geert	not really tried too much although i got to plan hump it a little so to say
[06:56]	geert	experiences should favor possibilities, not difficulties <-- better focus
[06:56]	geert	you dont get experiences to kind of automutilate yourself psychologically so to say
[06:56]	geert	i wish yyou dont consider that assault when i get to say things so directly.. :S
[06:57]	geert	look it seem easy talking to me but man i got to bump the geert nose into so many walls
[06:57]	geert	kinda miracle i still get to yap irc lines at you
[06:57]	geert	so to speak :/
[06:57]	geert	easy talking from me*
[06:57]	geert	jap irc lines* seems more proper utilization of english to me
[06:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	the trick to english is to say something meaningful
[06:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	its definitely a trick, they dont teach it in schools
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[07:02]	geert	well if somebody dont want to read the meaningful and act as if it depend on some punctuation or spelling...
[07:02]	geert	i think the trick is then hijacked by ignorant influence that one dont need depend on
[07:02]	geert	sort of, so to say
[07:02]	geert	often this go together with lack of question
[07:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	you know many years ago
[07:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	people came and took my country away from me
[07:04]	geert	oof that appear like serious wrongdoing to me
[07:04]	geert	what country ifyou dont get to mind me asking?
[07:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	even since then ive tried to figure out why
[07:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	a european country, its not important which one
[07:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, it used to be european
[07:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know what it is anymore
[07:05]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: Things must be getting bad.
[07:05]	geert	oof it just feel heavy stuff to me, i get some experience regarding that kind of wrongdoing
[07:05]	DaemonFC	The movies brought back Jaws and other old stuff.
[07:05]	DaemonFC	They can't get people in to see the new ones.
[07:05]	highest_cubist_thrills	what happened to you?
[07:06]	geert	oof, quite a long explanation. i got to point out some things and people tried attacking me for it, some of em
[07:06]	geert	very secretly, in ways that others wouldnt see as they figured they could control it, partly by abusing pretty modern govt state security means
[07:06]	geert	tried make me appear crazy in eyes of parents etc.
[07:07]	geert	comes much to it, its not yet finished
[07:07]	geert	i still get to be in the country though
[07:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	the media in particular makes it worse
[07:07]	highest_cubist_thrills	always slanting every story
[07:07]	geert	real media is transfer type to message, much media want control the message instead of better control transfer process
[07:08]	geert	much so called nowadays media* i dont thin it really matches original definition of real media
[07:08]	geert	its fundamentally different what they get to do
[07:08]	geert	a little what seems to have happened to the word 'general'
[07:08]	geert	same words like many years ago
[07:08]	geert	different function
[07:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	words lose meaning when people forget where they came from
[07:09]	geert	they dont really lose meaning because people forget
[07:09]	geert	but forgetful people are often abused by lewd other people so to say
[07:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	but what about the journalists
[07:09]	geert	they wana utilize the ignorance or naivity of fellow, often because nasty goals
[07:10]	geert	journalist should not lie, if they lie, they put focus on message instead of transporting it
[07:10]	geert	they then move from telling you something, or me, to interpreting it
[07:10]	geert	that is kind of elitist uber/untermensch reality
[07:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	 :)
[07:10]	geert	how dare they assume they need to interpret for me or you without asking decent questions first calling it transportation
[07:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	another fucking handle, for gods sake
[07:11]	geert	words dont just lose meaning, but some want to bend definition to terms secretly
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[07:11]	geert	oof i get worried feel
[07:12]	geert	somebody who get to know this person should try reroute focus to possiblities and watch negativism isnt kind of taking over, try to help
[07:12]	geert	listen its not some joke, that is like fellow people, he dont really appear like some ignorant goon who just tryna phish to me
[07:13]	geert	ehm.. read* instead of listen ofc
[07:13]	geert	anywayswhy would that person just leave from this irc context?i get worried feel!
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[07:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	motherfucker
[07:14]	geert	did you get feel like i got you hurt?
[07:14]	geert	i didnt really want to
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[07:14]	geert	i seriously think you got some focus issue difficulty that i think you should try focus differently
[07:15]	geert	you get lots of experience, many many causes/reasons and possibilities like that!
[07:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	hitler reacts to guy in irc with 1000 fucking handles
[07:16]	geert	hitler is over, the adolf one. maybe some family or something
[07:17]	geert	is just like past, over, finito, finished, he tried mess with many fellow, he got bear heavy reality that he figured able to work into such heavy, so to say
[07:17]	geert	we dont need too much think about it, its arranged, its over
[07:17]	geert	wtf did he got to achieve? its lots of misery man, preferably dont idolize it, let go, its over with that former goon
[07:17]	geert	former coz its over
[07:17]	geert	finito, finished.
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[07:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	if anyone wants to know what chuck norris would be like as a german nationalist softboy
[07:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	come to #techrights, we can show you
[07:23]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]DaemonFC: I will put my crypto family photo in my crypto wallet
[07:23]	DaemonFC	NFFs. Non-Fungible Family
[07:24]	DaemonFC	Just chop the family up and turn them into NFFs.
[07:24]	DaemonFC	When the police arrive, say NO NO, THEY'RE IN THE BLOCKCHAIN!
[07:24]	DaemonFC	REALLY!
[07:24]	DaemonFC	YOU JUST CAN'T SEE THEM BECAUSE REASONS......
[07:25]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR]btw, how is marisol'd crypto wallet doing?
[07:25]	DaemonFC	Badly, I'm sure.
[07:25]	DaemonFC	Very sophisticated.
[07:25]	DaemonFC	She has everything figured out.
[07:27]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: I just enrolled in a COVID-19 study.
[07:27]	DaemonFC	I think it should be fairly harmless.
[07:28]	DaemonFC	They just send you a year's worth of Vitamin D3 and it'll either be 400 IU or 4,000 IU and you won't know which.
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[07:28]	DaemonFC	They ask you to stop taking any other supplemental Vitamin D3, and they give you COVID tests.
[07:28]	DaemonFC	They ask you to use one of the COVID tests each week and report in for a year.
[07:29]	DaemonFC	It's to see if supplemental Vitamin D3 has any effect on whether people get COVID during the next year.
[07:30]	DaemonFC	Finally someone is studying this.
[07:32]	geert	well better be careful with teh drugs
[07:32]	geert	anyways ima get some sleep i guess
[07:32]	geert	its kind of 8.30 am local time /CET here
[07:32]	geert	better not tell mom i guess
[07:34]	geert	ohand if 'hackers' tryna break opsec etc. tryna steal 'stash' here, ima get warning; theres so much goons tryna fish around here, you cannot get through unseen plus you deliver lots of info about what you think you can do, trickery etc. including zerodays before you even finish trying, they see, and i guess you rather get paid for zerodays than leaking like a old granny hoe
[07:34]	geert	oh and*
[07:35]	DaemonFC	Vitamin D is pretty safe as long as you don't go too crazy (over 5,000 IU per day) with the supplements.
[07:35]	geert	and i dont put stash in such environments btw so etc.
[07:36]	geert	so ima try sleep, bbl :)
[07:36]	DaemonFC	If you go over that, it should be because your doctor is prescribing it and monitoring your blood levels.
[07:36]	geert	try not to piss it out, since intake such vitamins is related to some triggers otherwise you might piss lots out
[07:37]	geert	oh i should try sleep i guess bbl :)
[07:39]	loner	morning
[07:40]	loner	anyway, currently, as usual, after the first coffee and cigeratte passed the brain-blood barrier
[07:40]	loner	i began thinking
[07:40]	loner	what if, i wanted to remove _all_ software which requires the GNU(!) autotools/automake
[07:41]	loner	a userspace, such as toybox, don't need them
[07:42]	mjg59_	Why not just start from the Android userland
[07:42]	mjg59_	It has no GNU and it already targets Linux
[07:42]	loner	mjg59_: i am not concerned about GNU itself nor GPL
[07:42]	loner	it is the GNU-toolchain (gcc/binutils/...), and GNU build-system (autotools, make, ...)
[07:43]	mjg59_	Yes, and Android doesn't use the GNU build-system
[07:43]	loner	anyway, development utilitities
[07:44]	loner	vim doesn't need autotools, tcc-toolchain doesn't
[07:44]	chunky	i love vim sosoososoo much!!!!
[07:45]	loner	here comes the first one: dev-vcs/git
[07:47]	loner	git does utilize a configure.ac, at least no Makefile.am
[07:47]	loner	however, a configure.ac builds up such a giant dependency graph, that's bad enough
[07:48]	loner	reminder, i had to roll-back perl to version 5.8 (year 2003), any later didn't pass tcc-toolchain
[07:48]	loner	git git git git
[07:50]	loner	and i think, for kernel itself, the kbuild-system requires perl too; at least perl doesn't utilize autotools
[07:50]	loner	hence, perl won't block
[07:50]	loner	git will
[07:50]	DaemonFC	I swear someone in Hollywood is literally just digging up my beloved childhood movies and redoing them with a Chinese Communist official and Matthew Garrett striking through the parts of the final draft they don't like, which was written by the script writers of those Redbox Bruce Willis movies.
[07:51]	DaemonFC	Garrett moves on from the software industry.....
[07:51]	DaemonFC	mjg59_Why not just start from the Android userland
[07:51]	DaemonFC	mjg59_It has no GNU and it already targets Linux
[07:51]	DaemonFC	I tried to run an Android "app" on Fedora today.
[07:51]	DaemonFC	It was packaged in Flatpak.
[07:52]	DaemonFC	As soon as I ran it, my computer started flaking out and then crashed.
[07:52]	DaemonFC	I had to hold in the power button.
[07:52]	DaemonFC	It was almost exactly like something that happens a few times a week under Windows.
[07:52]	DaemonFC	First time in 16 years I had a complete system crash using a stable GNU/Linux distribution, and it was because I loaded an Android "app.
[07:53]	loner	dev-vcs/git is worth the effort, to manually track the config.h i think
[07:56]	loner	however, git got dependencies... openssl/libressl (ouch, another configure.ac), zlib
[07:56]	loner	etc etc.
[07:56]	loner	maybe, git can be linked against bearssl/bearssl-libtls
[07:57]	DaemonFC	Things probably can't get much worse than OpenSSL.
[07:58]	loner	i think oasis linux integrated bearssl, and chances are this too included git
[07:58]	loner	that's not a blocker, not yet
[07:58]	DaemonFC	https://research.swtch.com/openssl
[07:58]	TR Bot	 research!rsc: Lessons from the Debian/OpenSSL Fiasco
[07:58]	loner	without git, live got no meaning no more
[07:58]	DaemonFC	Except for the time Debian took OpenSSL and made it worse somehow.
[07:59]	loner	i had bearssl/bearssl-libtls on TODO for a while already
[07:59]	DaemonFC	" Last week, Debian announced that in September 2006 they accidentally broke the OpenSSL pseudo-random number generator while trying to silence a Valgrind warning. One effect this had is that the ssh-keygen program installed on recent Debian systems (and Debian-derived systems like Ubuntu) could only generate 32,767 different possible SSH keys of a given type and size, so there are a lot of...
[07:59]	DaemonFC	...people walking around with the same keys. "
[07:59]	DaemonFC	:)
[07:59]	DaemonFC	(2008)
[07:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.56 k/sec., IPFS upstream 51.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 147.25
[07:59]	loner	got a test-integration already, catgirl irc linked against it, statically... it works, bearssl i mean
● Sep 13
[08:01]	loner	sys-libs/zlib -> autotools, ouch
[08:02]	DaemonFC	"There were other MD_update calls in the code that didn't use buf, and those remained. The only one that was a little unpredictable was one in RAND_bytes that added the current process ID to the entropy pool on each call. That's why OpenSSH could still generate 32,767 possible SSH keys of a given type and size (one for each pid) instead of just one. "
[08:02]	DaemonFC	Well, if it always generated the same key, then it would have been spotted sooner, I suppose. :)
[08:03]	loner	zlib could be, it's optional with dev-vcs/git... i hope
[08:04]	DaemonFC	"The OpenSSL code's paranoia hid the Debian-introduced bug. Throwing the pid into the entropy pool on each call to RAND_bytes isn't actually helping create entropy, but it does keep the buggy Debian version from being completely deterministic. If it had been completely deterministic, the bug would likely have been noticed much sooner, probably long before it got into a stable release. "
[08:05]	loner	allright, this is the plan now
[08:06]	loner	1) verify mes-libc from bootstrappable, to compile/link/assemble this one with tcc-toolchain
[08:06]	loner	2) compile/link toybox userspace against mes-libc
[08:06]	DaemonFC	https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/09/ipod/
[08:06]	TR Bot	 jwz: iPod
[08:06]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: JWZ finally calls it the "clown".
[08:06]	DaemonFC	"streaming clown nonsense"
[08:06]	DaemonFC	:)
[08:06]	DaemonFC	"I picked up a refurbished iPod 5 with 1TB of storage. I am trying this experiment because the iOS "Music" app just gets more and more annoying with every passing month. It barely seems to acknowledge that one might play music from files that one owns rather than whatever streaming clown nonsense."
[08:07]	loner	3) bearssl/libtls, git, vim... all of them linked against mes-libc (if possible)
[08:07]	loner	the bootstrappable.org people reported success with mes-libc compiled with tcc-toolchain, and bash linked against it
[08:07]	DaemonFC	"Anyway, I got this iPod and then I immediately bricked it.
[08:07]	DaemonFC	I verified that it was working with a few dozen songs; and then I copied around 67,000 tracks onto it, which took two days. This caused it to become permanently stuck at the white-on-black Apple logo boot screen."
[08:08]	DaemonFC	He bricked what was a VERY expensive MP3 player by copying MP3s to it.
[08:08]	DaemonFC	And instead of failing to handle it in some SANE manner if there was a good reason not to, it broke the piece of shit instead.
[08:08]	DaemonFC	MinceR: ^ Apple
[08:08]	loner	hence, toybox could be possible/feasible; then git, vim, posix make etc. to retain a usable userspace including required development utilities including tcc-toolchain
[08:08]	loner	however, without GNU-toolchain and without GNU-buildsystem
[08:09]	loner	and the system must remain self-hosting, meaning it must contain all utilities to compile/bootstrap itself
[08:09]	loner	if this succeeds, i'll re-iterate over linux kernel-build with tcc-toolchain
[08:10]	loner	i mean, i would even be willing to roll-back to kernel linux-2.4 on x86 if necessary
[08:12]	loner	in the end, the final system bundle will be minimal anyway, hence i too would be willing to drop dev-vcs/git and move to rcs/cvs if necessary
[08:13]	loner	scraping required sources, and ditch the clutter
[08:13]	loner	what else?
[08:14]	loner	the central elements of this approach are: tcc-toolchain and libc first
[08:17]	DaemonFC	https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-self-hosting-my-email-for-twenty-three-years-i-have-thrown-in-the-towel-the-oligopoly-has-won.html
[08:17]	TR Bot	 After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.
[08:17]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]: ^
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[08:20]	loner	mjg59_: Android's policy is "no GPL in userspace", for political reasons, political reasons i disagree with
[08:20]	loner	i am not at all opposed to GPL, in fact i consider GPL (copyleft) too _weak_ to protect software freedom
[08:21]	loner	the reasons to avoid GNU-toolchain and buildsystem are _technical_ ones
[08:22]	TR News	Links 12/09/2022: New in KDE Plasma 5.26, Istio Has New Releases | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/12/istio-has-new-releases/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/12/istio-has-new-releases/
[08:22]	TR Bot	 Links 12/09/2022: New in KDE Plasma 5.26, Istio Has New Releases | Techrights
[08:26]	loner	btw. a rollback to linux-2.4, if necessary, wouldn't block against an open-hardware option either
[08:27]	loner	some i486 SoC are documented for deployment to FPGA, although incomplete, Altera FPGA being expensive, and mostly proprietary
[08:28]	loner	however, deep down below in this realm j-core.org too struggled with similar problems, and anyone else will too ... RISC-V
[08:28]	loner	with an x86 open-hardware SoC other problems remain: peripheral I/O (usb, vga, ethernet etc);
[08:29]	loner	and even some very expensive Altera FPGA ($800), barely sufficed to push beyond a few dozen MHz
[08:29]	TR News	Notice how SJVN and OIN refuse or fail to speak about software patents as the issue, they blame "trolls". IBM, Microsoft, LF etc. are not against software patents; watch who they collect bribes from!
[08:30]	loner	https://github.com/alfikpl/ao486
[08:30]	TR Bot	- alfikpl/ao486: The ao486 is an x86 compatible Verilog core implementing all features of a 486 SX.
[08:32]	loner	anyway, i finished archival of the gcc47 c-only toolchain system profile
[08:32]	loner	it works, got a w3m browser still, some sixel graphics, even some multi-media fun with libsdl1,mplayer etc.
[08:33]	loner	almost all of this passed with tcc-toolchain too btw.; except libc
[08:33]	loner	and once libc is replaced with mes-libc (if possible, not sure yet), most of the c-only toolchain profile userspace will be gone
[08:33]	loner	too for the reason, i am not willing to struggle with autotools anymore
[08:34]	loner	it'll be two system-profiles 1) gcc47 2) tcc-toolchain
[08:34]	loner	the gcc47 system remained gentoo/self-hosting, against a recent portage testing from february this year
[08:35]	loner	and the gcc47 system too can emit a tcc-toolchain system devdrop (including mplayer,libsdl1 etc)
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[08:35]	loner	however, the tcc-toolchain profile is still blocked against libc which requires binutils
[08:36]	loner	henceforth, a tcc-toolchain system profile will require a rebuild from scratch
[08:36]	loner	beginning with mes-libc and toybox userspace and the fun mentioned above
[08:37]	loner	in the end, a tcc-toolchain system, if at all, will roll-back to late 1990s "free software"
[08:39]	loner	thinking about it, a rollback to kernel-2.4 (or any 2.6)... nilfs2 filesystem support will be gone
[08:40]	loner	i don't care, ext2 will be fine too
[08:42]	loner	allright, another decision made, rollback to linux-2.4/2.6, any which passed with tcc-toolchain
[08:42]	loner	for the sake of simplicity, any recent hardware-trends which require a recent kernel are, not irelevant, including RISC-V
[08:42]	loner	*not relevant
[08:43]	loner	with kernel-2.4/2.6 targetting any legacy x86 system, i won't need to bother with difficult tcc-toolchain integration, this was accomplished already
[08:43]	loner	besides, ARM and RISC-V often utilize uboot-loader, and uboot got some nasty build-time dependencies (c++/python/swig)
[08:44]	loner	those dependencies are a nasty blocker, hence i am not aware of a bootstrapping path of python2/3 with tcc-toolchain
[08:44]	loner	it's mainly libffi, i am not willing to hack this, only to support uboot-loader
[08:45]	loner	and tcc-toolchain integration with uboot-loader had not been approached by anyone yet either, i won't
[08:45]	loner	hence, kernel-2.4/2.6 and some legacy x86
[08:45]	loner	for the tcc-toolchain profile
[08:46]	loner	another idea is, given the situation surround git, to grab some legacy source-base from year 2000 some time (some debian apt-source boundles whatever), and see what is available with this
[08:47]	loner	and, i could skip the idea of aarch32 support with tcc-toolchain entirely, could be assembly support for x86 with tcc-toolchain is less troublesome
[08:50]	loner	besides, the firmware-situation with i486 opensource SoC didn't look that bad either... for the ao486 it is some bochs/seabios
[08:52]	loner	and, x86 hardware for linux-2.4/2.6 won't be that expensive either
[08:53]	loner	too, relevant hardware should be sufficiently fast, with tcc-toolchain to work 100% from source
[08:53]	loner	this will be a non-issue once and for all then
[08:58]	TR News	A False Sense of Privacy and Safety is Ruining Otherwise Fine Browsers (Like Kristall) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/kristall-tls-bug/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/13/kristall-tls-bug/
[08:58]	TR Bot	 A False Sense of Privacy and Safety is Ruining Otherwise Fine Browsers (Like Kristall) | Techrights
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[08:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 99.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 156.28
● Sep 13
[09:01]	TR News	egalaxyd 0.5.1 gemini://tilde.pink/~slondr/egalaxyd-5.1.gmi
[09:02]	loner	anyway, gcc47 c-only toolchain system profile is frozen/archived, for aarch32/64/amd64... that's blocked for all eternity
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[09:03]	loner	any path to keep rolling forward beyond this is futile, including RISC-V, with the acceptance criteria of mine
[09:04]	loner	and instead of rolling-forward, let's see what a roll-back of 20years with particular components accomplishes
[09:05]	loner	10years of struggle, bam, why not, roll-back, and block
[09:05]	TR News	 IRC Proceedings: Monday, September 12, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/irc-log-120922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//techrights.org/2022/09/13/irc-log-120922/
[09:05]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Monday, September 12, 2022 | Techrights
[09:06]	loner	for this, tcc-toolchain is crucial, because of the compile-time performance (of gcc/g++/llvm), and limited hardware resources available then
[09:06]	loner	and i think, run-time performance with tcc-toolchain is sufficient, already did some initial testing
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[09:07]	loner	granted, for example, ssh key-exchange is considerably slower, starting mutt mailer requires 3seconds instead of <1s... who cares?
[09:07]	loner	i don't.
[09:08]	loner	runtime-performance won't be an issue, with something at the scale of a dual-core with 2GHz and 2GiB RAM, even when compiling/bootstrapping everything 100% from source
[09:08]	loner	with a source-based workflow
[09:08]	loner	with GNU-toolchain this wouldn't be pleasent
[09:08]	loner	i mean, tcc-toolchain compiles/bootstraps in a 1minute including various cross-compilers even
[09:09]	loner	a single gcc cross-compiler bootstrapping requires hour(s)
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[09:38]	TR News	"NNCP is one of those things that almost defies explanation." https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10421-dead-usb-drives-are-fine-building-a-reliable-sneakernet | Source: John Goerzen
[09:38]	TR Bot	 Dead USB Drives Are Fine: Building a Reliable Sneakernet | The Changelog
[09:39]	TR News	"Hello, it's been a long time I didn't have to take a look at monitoring servers." https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-09-11-exploring-monitoring-stacks.html | Source: Data Swamp
[09:39]	TR Bot	 Solene'% : Explaining modern server monitoring stacks for self-hosting
[09:40]	TR News	"During the discussion cycle, many (if not most?) have failed to see the great potentia" https://notes.volution.ro/v1/2022/09/remarks/794866f7/ | Source: Ciprian Dorin Craciun
[09:40]	TR Bot	 [remark] Securing my static site server with seccomp -- Volution Notes
[09:40]	TR News	"As a practical matter, I don't think we'd deploy any reused server with less than 4 GB of RAM" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/ServerMemoryShiftingAmounts | Source: uni Toronto
[09:40]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/ServerMemoryShiftingAmounts
[09:40]	TR News	[Old] "POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Els" https://indieweb.org/POSSE |
[09:40]	TR Bot	 POSSE - IndieWeb
[09:47]	TR News	OpenBSD "For those unfamiliar with the process: this is not the 7.2 release" https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220912055003 | Source: Undeadly
[09:47]	TR Bot	 -current has moved to 7.2
[09:48]	TR News	"So I came to think that there might be some generators of disagreement around the subject" https://www.epistem.ink/p/generators-of-disagreement-with-ai | Source: George
[09:48]	TR Bot	 Generators Of Disagreement With AI Alignment - by George
[09:49]	TR News	"UCEPROTECT Level 3 blocks ASNs which you can think of as a group of IP ranges operated by an ISP." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-02-26-moving-off-self-hosted-email.html |
[09:49]	TR Bot	 Moving off self hosted email
[09:51]	TR News	UML https://andydote.co.uk/2022/09/11/uml-isnt-dead/ |
[09:51]	TR Bot	 The reports of UML's death are greatly exaggerated | Andy Dote
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[10:01]	TR News	"Nils started experimenting with Linux with dual booting since 2005" https://boilingsteam.com/introducing-nils-our-new-team-member/ | Source: Boiling Steam
[10:01]	TR Bot	 Introducing Nils, Our New Team Member - Boiling Steam
[10:01]	TR News	"In a tweet Saturday"... :/ not the way to do it https://www.axios.com/2022/09/11/border-patrol-deactivates-texas-twitter | Source: Axios
[10:01]	TR Bot	 Border Patrol deactivates regional Twitter account after "inappropriate" posts
[10:02]	TR News	"I'll be taking 12 weeks off of work and attending Recurse Center in the Fall 2 batch" https://ntietz.com/tech-blog/going-to-recurse-center/ | Source: Nicholas Tietz-Sokolsky
[10:02]	TR Bot	 I'm taking a sabbatical and attending Recurse Center! | nicholas@web
[10:02]	TR News	"College Boards announcement to digitalize the SAT made major news headlines" https://insidesources.com/are-textbook-publishers-playing-a-role-in-cheating-trends/ |
[10:02]	TR Bot	Textbook Publishers Playing a Role in Cheating Trends? InsideSources
[10:03]	TR News	"Today, On Point: Protecting America's public libraries" https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2022/09/08/censorship-wars-defund-public-libraries | Source: WBUR Radio
[10:03]	TR Bot	 Censorship wars: Why have several communities voted to defund their public libraries? | On Point
[10:03]	TR News	Social control media = addiction to something that HARMS you https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/health-a-wellbeing/22185-addiction-to-facebook-and-instagram-among-teenagers-is-linked-to-inequality-research.html | Source: Helsinki Times
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[10:04]	TR News	LSD https://futurism.com/neoscope/lsd-therapy-effective-anxiety-depression | Source: Futurism
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Study Finds LSD Therapy Strikingly Effective at Reducing Anxiety and Depression
[10:05]	TR News	"To do this successfully without anyone else impersonating you, a Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA) is used to authenticate you." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-09-11-ed25519-deep-dive-addendum.html |
[10:05]	TR Bot	 Ed25519 Deep Dive Addendum
[10:06]	TR News	[Old] "Digital Signature Algorithms (DSAs) underpin modern technology enabling phone calls, emails, operating system updates" https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-03-06-ed25519-signatures.html |
[10:06]	TR Bot	 A Deep dive into Ed25519 Signatures
[10:06]	TR News	"I have never put any money into bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies." https://bsdly.blogspot.com/2022/09/your-forgotten-blockchain-account.html | Source: BSDly
[10:06]	TR Bot	 That grumpy BSD guy: Your 'Forgotten' Blockchain Account Needing Reactivation? It's a Scam
[10:07]	TR News	"At DEF CON 30 "Crypto Agility" and "Post Quantum" buzz words were repeated in several villages." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-08-24-post-quantum-crypto-agility.html |
[10:07]	TR Bot	 Crypto Agility and Post Quantum
[10:08]	TR News	Environment https://futurism.com/neoscope/young-people-cancer-health-medical | Source: Futurism
[10:08]	TR Bot	 Young People Are Getting Way More Cancer Than Old People Did
[10:08]	TR News	"A lot of that needs to be built where the resource is" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/11/opinion/biden-climate-congress-infrastructure.html | Source: New York Times
[10:08]	TR Bot	 Opinion | All Biden Has to Do Now Is Change the Way We Live - The New York Times
[10:09]	TR News	"Sky & Telescope readers can record scientifically useful observations of BlueWalker 3." https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/as-bluewalker-satellites-join-a-brightening-sky-heres-how-you-can-help/ |
[10:09]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/as-bluewalker-satellites-join-a-brightening-sky-heres-how-you-can-help/ )
[10:13]	MinceR	lol @ hypePod
[10:13]	MinceR	especially lol @ jwz
[10:13]	TR News	Social control media = interference companies https://text.npr.org/1121887926 | Source: NPR
[10:13]	TR Bot	 Social media firms are prepping for the midterms. Experts say it may not be enough
[10:14]	TR News	"The White House plan is a mixed bag." https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/10/big-data/#230-quagmire | Source: CoryDoctorow
[10:14]	TR Bot	 Pluralistic: 10 Sep 2022 American healthcare did a fuckery, the White House has a plan for Big Tech big-data Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
[10:14]	MinceR	he keeps punishing himself with that crap and doesn't learn from any of it
[10:14]	TR News	"The changes are being initiated in the wake of the tapping of PASOK President Nikos Androulakis phone" https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1193070/uk-model-eyed-for-intelligence-services/ |
[10:14]	TR Bot	model eyed for intelligence services | eKathimerini.com
[10:15]	TR News	Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. https://text.npr.org/1122379162 | Source: NPR
[10:15]	TR Bot	 Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as the 'Not My King' tag grows
[10:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[10:21]	TR News	"Lets just ban all the books." https://lasvegassun.com/news/2022/sep/09/lets-just-ban-all-the-books/ |
[10:21]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://lasvegassun.com/news/2022/sep/09/lets-just-ban-all-the-books/ )
[10:21]	TR News	On unionizing https://text.npr.org/1120759940 | Source: NPR
[10:21]	TR Bot	 Meet the strippers working to unionize a Los Angeles dive bar
[10:22]	TR News	[Old] "Notice whats missing: Free Software / FLOSS in the Richard Stallman sense of the word." https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10417-the-pc-internet-revolution-in-rural-america | Source: John Goerzen
[10:22]	TR Bot	 The PC & Internet Revolution in Rural America | The Changelog
[10:32]	TR News	 (NEW): 11 Interesting Firefox Add-ons to Improve Your Browsing Experience http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/11_Interesting_Firefox_Add_ons_to_Improve_Your_Browsing_Experie.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/11_Interesting_Firefox_Add_ons_to_Improve_Your_Browsing_Experie.gmi 
[10:32]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 11 Interesting Firefox Add-ons to Improve Your Browsing Experience
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[10:36]	TR News	On "accessibility" https://www.propublica.org/article/voter-participation-literacy-accessibility | Source: Pro Publica
[10:36]	TR Bot	 How We Analyzed Literacy and Voter Turnout ProPublica
[10:36]	TR News	"You do not have to prove you can read or write to vote." https://www.propublica.org/article/guide-to-voter-accessibility | Source: Pro Publica
[10:36]	TR Bot	 Quick Guide to Voting Accessibility for All ProPublica
[10:38]	TR News	Quad9 as Internet police? https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-continues-to-fight-pirate-site-blocking-demands-220913/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[10:38]	TR Bot	Resolver Quad9 Continues to Fight Pirate Site Blocking Demands * TorrentFreak
[10:38]	TR News	"The Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment has announced the shutdown of seven domains linked to illegal streaming" https://torrentfreak.com/ace-shuts-down-more-illegal-steaming-sites-these-sites-may-be-next-220912/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[10:38]	TR Bot	Shuts Down More Illegal Steaming Sites - These Sites May Be Next * TorrentFreak
[10:38]	TR News	"Ace Stream is a decentralized streaming tool with millions of users." https://torrentfreak.com/p2p-streaming-tool-ace-stream-decries-unjustified-site-blocking-and-piracy-allegations-220912/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[10:38]	TR Bot	Streaming Tool "Ace Stream" Decries Unjustified Site Blocking and Piracy Allegations * TorrentFreak
[10:40]	TR News	Steam Deck https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/valve-dev-shows-more-steam-deck-prototypes/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:40]	TR Bot	dev shows more Steam Deck prototypes | GamingOnLinux
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[10:57]	TR News	 (NEW): Remixing Linux for blind and visually impaired users http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Remixing_Linux_for_blind_and_visually_impaired_users.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Remixing_Linux_for_blind_and_visually_impaired_users.gmi 
[10:57]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Remixing Linux for blind and visually impaired users
[10:57]	TR News	 (NEW): CubyText is a Fast Cross-Platform Open-Source Knowledge Management App in Development http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/CubyText_is_a_Fast_Cross_Platform_Open_Source_Knowledge_Managem.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/CubyText_is_a_Fast_Cross_Platform_Open_Source_Knowledge_Managem.gmi 
[10:57]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines CubyText is a Fast Cross-Platform Open-Source Knowledge Management App in Development
[10:58]	TR News	Retro https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/building-a-retro-linux-gaming-computer-part-18-run-away-and-join-the-circus/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:58]	TR Bot	a Retro Linux Gaming Computer - Part 18: Run Away and Join the Circus | GamingOnLinux
[10:58]	TR News	"It's Disney Dreamlight Valley from Gameloft" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/i-hate-to-admit-it-but-i-like-disney-dreamlight-valley-m-works-well-on-steam-deck-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:58]	TR Bot	hate to admit it but I like Disney Dreamlight Valley works well on Steam Deck / Linux | GamingOnLinux
[10:58]	TR News	Left 4 Dead 2 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/valve-are-still-fixing-up-left-4-dead-2-over-10-years-after-release/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[10:58]	TR Bot	are still fixing up Left 4 Dead 2, over 10 years after release | GamingOnLinux
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 162.68 average k/sec., average swarm size 153.90
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[11:04]	TR News	"Distrobox is a way to use pretty much any other Linux distribution in your terminal" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/distrobox-can-open-up-the-steam-deck-to-a-whole-new-world/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:04]	TR Bot	can open up the Steam Deck to a whole new world | GamingOnLinux
[11:04]	TR News	Xenospore https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/defend-humanity-from-an-alien-organism-in-puzzle-game-xenospore/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:04]	TR Bot	humanity from an alien organism in puzzle game Xenospore | GamingOnLinux
[11:04]	TR News	GloriousEggroll :) https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/ge-proton-7-33-and-wine-ge-proton-7-28-are-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:04]	TR Bot	7-33 and Wine-GE-Proton 7-28 are out now | GamingOnLinux
[11:04]	TR News	Heroic Games Launcher https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/heroic-games-launcher-version-243-is-another-critical-bug-fix-release/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:04]	TR Bot	Games Launcher version 2.4.3 is another critical bug-fix release | GamingOnLinux
[11:04]	TR News	"The Vision Box AI integrates the latest Jetson AGX Orin 64GB model from NVIDIA which offers the following features" https://linuxgizmos.com/vision-box-ai-features-nvidias-64gb-agx-orin-gpu-module/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[11:04]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/vision-box-ai-features-nvidias-64gb-agx-orin-gpu-module/ )
[11:05]	TR News	"As a Linux user, you are probably already familiar with crontab" https://linuxhandbook.com/check-crontab-logs/ | Source: Linux Handbook
[11:05]	TR Bot	 How to Check Crontab logs in Linux
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[11:08]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1753874
[11:08]	TR Bot	 1753874 - Replying to a tiktok comment gives an error: couldn't post comment
[11:08]	DaemonFC	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1769762
[11:08]	TR Bot	 1769762 - Override navigator.plugins and navigator.mimeTypes for TikTok
[11:08]	DaemonFC	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1772949
[11:08]	TR Bot	 1772949 - Set navigator.share to undefined on YouTube iframe
[11:12]	DaemonFC	TikTok is completely hosed in Firefox without this patch.
[11:12]	DaemonFC	:)
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[11:13]	TR News	 (NEW): ESP-Hosted helps adds WiFi connectivity to legacy Linux or MCU-based products http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/ESP_Hosted_helps_adds_WiFi_connectivity_to_legacy_Linux_or_MCU_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/ESP_Hosted_helps_adds_WiFi_connectivity_to_legacy_Linux_or_MCU_.gmi 
[11:13]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines ESP-Hosted helps adds WiFi connectivity to legacy Linux or MCU-based products
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: no great loss
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	don't use either
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	firefox
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR]	the web
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	tiktok
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	tiktok is an app
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	for ios
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	android
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	chrome
[11:15]	DaemonFC	There's a "Web site" but it's made for Chrome. I wonder if they bother to make sure it works in Safari.
[11:15]	DaemonFC	Guessing not.
[11:15]	TR News	The EU's AI Act Could Have a Chilling Effect on Open Source Efforts, Experts Warn - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/11/0645257 Source: Soylent News http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/buzzwords-from-brussels/
[11:15]	TR Bot	 The EU's AI Act Could Have a Chilling Effect on Open Source Efforts, Experts Warn - SoylentNews
[11:15]	TR Bot	 A Soup of Buzzwords From Brussels (the European Commission) | Techrights
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR]	if there was a safari, tiktok would put it on the sinner table
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR]	*dinner
[11:16]	TR News	iophk: "twitter should /never/ be used by agencies in place of official channels of communication" https://www.axios.com/2022/09/11/border-patrol-deactivates-texas-twitter
[11:16]	TR Bot	 Border Patrol deactivates regional Twitter account after "inappropriate" posts
[11:16]	TR News	Low Esg Scores - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-09-12 | Dilbert by Scott Adams https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-09-12
[11:16]	TR Bot	Esg Scores - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-09-12 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
[11:17]	TR News	WiFi Hacking with Airgeddon, Kismet and Kodys favourite hacking tools https://odysee.com/@davidbombal:0/wifi-hacking-with-airgeddon,-kismet-and:a Source: | loquacious but informative
[11:17]	TR Bot	 WiFi Hacking with Airgeddon, Kismet and Kody's favourite hacking tools
[11:19]	TR News	IN RE: FACEBOOK, INC. CONSUMER PRIVACY USER PROFILE LITIGATION https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.327471/gov.uscourts.cand.327471.982.0_1.pdf
[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[11:22]	TR News	Impediments to self-hosting and self-determination (not outsourcing of "trust" for instance) are increasing; today we look at the case of Kristall, a highly versatile multi-protocol browser http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/kristall-tls-bug/
[11:22]	TR Bot	 A False Sense of Privacy and Safety is Ruining Otherwise Fine Browsers (Like Kristall) | Techrights
[11:22]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[11:22]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[11:27]	TR News	 (NEW): Games: Steam, Distrobox, Heroic Games Launcher, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Games_Steam_Distrobox_Heroic_Games_Launcher_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Games_Steam_Distrobox_Heroic_Games_Launcher_and_More.gmi 
[11:27]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: Steam, Distrobox, Heroic Games Launcher, and More
[11:30]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[11:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[11:31]	TR News	The motherboard is defective and has NSA back doors. poor choice of processor in the year 2022 (we're not in the 90s anymore). https://linuxgizmos.com/fanless-mini-pc-features-up-to-4x-2-4gbe-lan-ports-and-elkhart-lake-processor/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[11:31]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/fanless-mini-pc-features-up-to-4x-2-4gbe-lan-ports-and-elkhart-lake-processor/ )
[11:33]	TR News	"In this tutorial, we will discuss how to change user password in Linux using passwd command from commandline." https://ostechnix.com/change-password-linux/ | Source: OSTechNix
[11:33]	TR Bot	User Password In Linux - OSTechNix
[11:35]	TR News	Android/Linux Khadas Edge2 ultra thin SBC is powered by Rockchip RK3588S processor - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/13/khadas-edge2-ultra-thin-sbc-is-powered-by-rockchip-rk3588s-processor/
[11:35]	TR Bot	 Khadas Edge2 ultra thin SBC is powered by Rockchip RK3588S processor - CNX Software
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[11:37]	psydruid	> Does Haiku run on any actual hardware.
[11:37]	psydruid	> Or is it one of those "Toss this in a VM and it crashes a lot." things like ReactOS?
[11:37]	psydruid	I had it installed on a laptop for a year and everything minus the wifi worked pretty reliably, ReactOS barely runs on any hardware
[11:38]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2022/09/12/1121999705/sex-education-school-kindergarten
[11:38]	TR Bot	 Why sex education should start in kindergarten (hula hoops recommended) : NPR
[11:38]	DaemonFC	National Pedophile Radio
[11:38]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], ^
[11:39]	DaemonFC	Bill Gates
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[11:42]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe they can 'normalise' this BS
[11:42]	schestowitz[TR]	with BillBC joining in
[11:42]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/06/20/young-boys-and-the-express-stop-envelope/
[11:42]	TR Bot	 Bill and Melinda Gates Employee Took Photos of Young Boys at the Beach | Techrights
[11:42]		*loner is now known as mixling
[11:42]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/ok-melinda/
[11:42]	TR Bot	 OK, Melinda | Techrights
[11:42]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/gates-epstein-house.jpg
[11:42]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/gates-epstein.jpg
[11:43]	schestowitz[TR]	bill zemlin: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/zemlin-go-away.gif
[11:44]	TR News	"UMS streams a wide range of media formats with little or absolutely no configuration." https://www.tecmint.com/install-universal-media-server-ubuntu/ | Source: TecMint
[11:44]	TR Bot	 How to Install Universal Media Server in Ubuntu Linux
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[11:51]	schestowitz[TR]	ms peters wanted the same
[11:51]	schestowitz[TR]	to normalise pedophilia
[11:51]	schestowitz[TR]	but he didn't have the clout of bill
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[11:53]	TR News	http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
[11:53]	TR Bot	 Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights
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[11:56]	TR News	Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
[11:56]	schestowitz[TR]	next up in NPR:
[11:56]	schestowitz[TR]	we should lower age of sexual consent to 14
[11:57]	TR News	"It has been a long and difficult journey to build a freedom- and privacy-respecting phone like the Librem 5" https://puri.sm/posts/thank-you-for-joining-us/ | Source: Purism
[11:57]	TR Bot	 Thank You For Joining Us Purism
[11:57]	mixling	lower how? teenager intercourse among each other of same age isn't prohibited to my knowledge
[11:58]	TR News	Normal people: folks who say toddlers should be told about sex are sick perverts. NPR: Bill Gates pays us. We should give a platform to those "sick perverts".
[11:58]	mixling	anyhow, child abuse is distinct from pedophilia;
[11:59]	mixling	question, why is child abuse conflated with euphemist terminology?
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[12:00]	techuser	sexual child abuse < child abuse
[12:00]	mixling	i consider child abuse among the worst criminal offenses there is, any variant of it
[12:01]	techuser	depends
[12:01]	mixling	it doesn't, child abuse
[12:01]	techuser	what about killing a lot of humans, sometimes indirectly?
[12:02]	mixling	what about?
[12:02]	techuser	it is worse
[12:03]	techuser	I did appear at university chat. It turned out there is only one girl there. Some users started harassing her.
[12:03]	techuser	If sex is about harassment, it should be removed entirely
[12:04]	TR News	"SSH stands for Secure Shell and it is used widely as a means of accessing remote servers." https://vitux.com/ubuntu-ssh-key/ | Source: Vitux
[12:04]	TR Bot	SSH Keys in Ubuntu - VITUX
[12:06]	TR News	"I recently experienced another interesting problem in the Linux startup sequence that has a circumventionnot a solution" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/swappiness-startup-linux | Source: OpenSource.com
[12:06]	TR Bot	I troubleshoot swappiness and startup time on Linux | Opensource.com
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: that's terrible
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR]	on what basis was this harassment?
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR]	or of what nature?
[12:06]	TR News	"I'll walk you through where to download Hyperledger FireFly" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/blockchain-hyperledger-firefly | Source: OpenSource.com
[12:06]	TR Bot	source blockchain development: Get started with Hyperledger FireFly | Opensource.com
[12:07]	techuser	they just want to have sex with her it seems
[12:07]	techuser	and sometimes ask weird questions
[12:07]	techuser	I treat such activity as harassment
[12:08]	techuser	sex is privacy violation
[12:09]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[12:09]	schestowitz[TR]	I saw that once in a GNOME event in manchester
[12:09]	schestowitz[TR]	they did this to the partner of the organiser
[12:09]	schestowitz[TR]	and to my wife
[12:09]	schestowitz[TR]	asking inappropriate questions 
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[12:14]	TR News	Mississippi https://www.democracynow.org/2022/9/12/jackson_mississippi_water_crisis_flood_treatment | Source: Democracy Now
[12:14]	TR Bot	 Jacksons Water Crisis Comes After $90M Contract with Siemens to Overhaul System Ended Up a Disaster | Democracy Now!
[12:15]	TR News	Sell Buckingham Palace, pay people's gas bills. 'King' Charles can reside in his car. https://www.democracynow.org/2022/9/12/queen_elizabeth_dead_british_colonialism_africa
[12:15]	TR Bot	 Dismantle the Commonwealth: Queen Elizabeths Death Prompts Reckoning with Colonial Past in Africa | Democracy Now!
[12:16]	TR News	"Master of a Drone System" https://digit.site36.net/2022/09/12/german-air-force-in-afghanistan-and-mali-drone-operator-reports-on-his-severe-trauma/ | Source: Site36
[12:16]	TR Bot	 German Air Force in Afghanistan and Mali: Drone operator talks on his severe trauma Security Architectures in the EU
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[12:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:21]	DaemonFC	The problem is that people like mjg59_ have re-defined sexual harassment to the point where the term doesn't man anything anymore.
[12:21]	DaemonFC	You could tell a woman "I like your shoes." or you could be Peter Bright. Same thing, right?
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[12:23]	schestowitz[TR]	in their eyes, Peter Brighht did nothing wrong
[12:23]	schestowitz[TR]	just fucking under 10s
[12:23]	schestowitz[TR]	no comment 
[12:23]	schestowitz[TR]	no github pettiion
[12:23]	schestowitz[TR]	same for graveley strngling women
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	almost to death
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	while managing github stuff
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	nothing wrong, right?
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	no pettiion
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	not evvven a fuckin tweet!
[12:24]	DaemonFC	" Over the past 10 hours, Costco has sent me a total of 20 SMSes reminding me about my vaccination appointment that is still 14 hours away
[12:24]	DaemonFC	" - mjg59_ 
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	it would rattle the brigvades' maste
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	task:
[12:24]	DaemonFC	One for each CDC-recommended "booster".
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	check if mjg59_  ever posted ANYTHING about Gulag's Andy Rubin
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	ANYTHING
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	check
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	andry rubin: asks inferiors to give him blow jobs
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	rms: stares at people
[12:25]	DaemonFC	He doesn't shit on people who pay him.
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	guess which "jew" the twitter brigade went after
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[12:26]	TR News	"Nothing can justify the persistence of this fundamental abuse of human rights." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/12/50-million-people-are-trapped-modern-slavery-worldwide-report | Source: Common Dreams
[12:26]	TR Bot	 50 Million People Are Trapped in Modern Slavery Worldwide: Report
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[12:26]	schestowitz[TR]	coin-operated 'activists'
[12:26]	schestowitz[TR]	"start me up, Gulag!"
[12:26]	schestowitz[TR]	also check what mjg59_  wrote about gates
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	from@mjg59 "gates"
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	from:@mjg59 "gates"
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	I can't be bothered
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	see how he blasts gates
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	over epstein
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	or... NOT
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	like I said,
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	coin-operated!
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	like SJVN
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	the "coin-operated" zdnet 'journalist'
[12:28]	TR News	"fawning adulation of Queen Elizabeth in the United States" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/12/it-time-throw-monarchies-world-dustbin-history | Source: Common Dreams
[12:28]	TR Bot	 Opinion | It Is Time to Throw the Monarchies of the World Into the Dustbin of History | Chris Hedges
[12:28]	TR News	Liz Trump https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/liz-truss-a-precarious-prime-minister-for-a-precarious-country/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:28]	TR Bot	Truss: a Precarious Prime Minister for a Precarious Country - CounterPunch.org
[12:29]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/
[12:29]	TR Bot	 One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights
[12:29]	TR News	"Turkey is becoming a worldwide drone power" https://digit.site36.net/2022/09/12/cooperation-with-turkey-selenskyj-awards-medal-for-combat-drones/ | Source: Site36
[12:29]	TR Bot	 Cooperation with Turkey: Selenskyj awards medal for combat drones Security Architectures in the EU
[12:30]	TR News	"Its a space for open culture and cultural heritage practitioners, advocates, and enthusiasts to share resources" https://creativecommons.org/2022/09/12/members-share-their-experiences-with-the-cc-open-culture-platform/ | Source: Creative Commons
[12:30]	TR Bot	 Members Share Their Experiences with the CC Open Culture Platform - Creative Commons
[12:30]	schestowitz[TR]	activists like those
[12:30]	schestowitz[TR]	or sjvn
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	have a viginal hole at their back
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	near the spine
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	it says
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	"PLEASE INSERT COIN"
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	OIN
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	LF
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	Microsoft
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	ICBM
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	insert coin
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	he will sing
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	pay $150,000 salaries
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	and they will work to cancel people like RMS who don't have a salary
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	to help distract from Bill Gates
[12:31]	schestowitz[TR]	and protect his Cayman Island assets
[12:32]	schestowitz[TR]	no shill deed goes unrewarded
[12:32]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/01/headhunting-matthew-garrett/
[12:32]	TR Bot	 Microsoft is Trying to Hire (Read: Pay Salaries to) Matthew Garrett | Techrights
[12:32]	TR News	">By the early 20th century, Paris commanded control over much of West and Central Africa." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/frances-influence-in-africa-faces-strains-from-locals-and-foreign-competitors/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:32]	TR Bot	Influence in Africa Faces Strains From Locals and Foreign Competitors - CounterPunch.org
[12:32]	TR News	The grizzly bears https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/conservation-groups-sue-to-protect-yellowstone-grizzly-bears-from-expanded-cattle-grazing/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:32]	TR Bot	groups Sue to Protect Yellowstone Grizzly Bears From Expanded Cattle Grazing - CounterPunch.org
[12:33]	schestowitz[TR]	meanwhile some real activists get shit done
[12:33]	schestowitz[TR]	but they are tentatively painted with a target on their butt
[12:33]	schestowitz[TR]	by the coin-operated butt-chasing shills
[12:33]	schestowitz[TR]	waiting for dirt to pounce on or stockpiling some
[12:33]	schestowitz[TR]	like they did to RMS
[12:34]	TR News	Bolsonaro https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/bolsonaro-follows-trumps-script/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:34]	TR Bot	Follows Trumps Script - CounterPunch.org
[12:34]	TR News	"criminal justice system" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/dissent-calls-out-appeals-court-new-york-prosecutor-for-denying-a-prisoner-his-right-to-challenge-his-conviction/ | Source: Techdirt
[12:34]	TR Bot	Calls Out Appeals Court, New York Prosecutor For Denying A Prisoner His Right To Challenge His Conviction | Techdirt
[12:36]	TR News	"I mean, of course. On Friday Elon Musk terminated his Twitter purchase for the third time." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/musk-tries-tries-again-with-yet-another-argument-for-how-he-can-get-out-of-buying-twitter-mudges-severance-package/ | Source: Techdirt
[12:36]	TR Bot	Tries, Tries Again With Yet Another Argument For How He Can Get Out Of Buying Twitter: Mudges Severance Package | Techdirt
[12:36]	TR News	"The United States is already a global leader in traffic-related fatalities" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/the-extreme-weight-of-large-electric-vehicles-is-going-to-be-a-very-dangerous-problem/ | Source: Techdirt
[12:36]	TR Bot	Extreme Weight Of Large Electric Vehicles Is Going To Be A Very Dangerous Problem | Techdirt
[12:38]	TR News	Weapons Industry https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/12/weapons-industry-taxpayer-scam | Source: Common Dreams; NOT just "traditional" weapons, also electronic: http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[12:38]	TR Bot	 Opinion | The Weapons Industry as a Taxpayer Scam | Julia Gledhill
[12:38]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[12:39]	TR News	Ehrenreich https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/how-barbara-ehrenreich-exposed-the-positive-thinking-industry/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:39]	TR Bot	Barbara Ehrenreich Exposed the Positive Thinking Industry - CounterPunch.org
[12:39]	TR News	Star Log 2022-09-13 01:00 AKDT (Fairbanks, AK, US) gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20220913-0.gmi
[12:40]	TR News	Bill Gates isn't a m------er. He's not into moms.
[12:41]	TR News	In truly democratic societies people like these are put behind bars for life http://techrights.org/2020/06/13/bill-gates-not-a-liberal/
[12:41]	TR Bot	 Quit Calling Bill Gates a Liberal | Techrights
[12:42]	TR News	Re: Sneakernets gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-09-13-re-sneakernets.gmi "I feel like we're not talking about the same things, though. I guess I was pretty vague about my thoughts even though I tried."
[12:42]	TR News	"On Free/Developed/Democratic etc Societies, Persecution, Criminals" gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-09-13-re-sneakernets.gmi
[12:43]	TR News	Comparing Aldous Harding to Kate Bush gemini://gemini.susa.net/harding_vs_bush.gmi
[12:53]	TR News	Big Myth https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/the-big-myth-about-inequality-it-just-happened/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:53]	TR Bot	Big Myth About Inequality: It Just Happened! - CounterPunch.org
[12:53]	TR News	"This will also be a rare-old-time for paparazzi and the court correspondents of the tabloids" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/the-queen-is-dead/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:53]	TR Bot	Queen Is Dead - CounterPunch.org
[12:53]	TR News	Economic Inequality https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/how-economic-inequality-drives-climate-change/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:53]	TR Bot	Economic Inequality Drives Climate Change - CounterPunch.org
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[12:59]	TR News	Sloganeering https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/sloganeering-suicide-prevention-the-r-u-ok-movement/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:59]	TR Bot	Suicide Prevention: the R U OK movement - CounterPunch.org
[12:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 49.98 k/sec., IPFS upstream 44.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 174.05
● Sep 13
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	christine is 71 https://fossforce.com/2022/09/monday-morning-how-a-command-prompt-and-edlin-made-me-a-computer-enthusiast/
[13:01]	TR Bot	 Monday Morning: How a Command Prompt and Edlin Made Me a Computer Enthusiast - FOSS Force
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	"I didnt own a computer of my own until 1991, the year I turned 40"
[13:01]	TR News	Monday Morning: How a Command Prompt and Edlin Made Me a Computer Enthusiast - FOSS Force https://fossforce.com/2022/09/monday-morning-how-a-command-prompt-and-edlin-made-me-a-computer-enthusiast/ Source: Unicorn Media
[13:02]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/5hClWqP.jpeg
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[13:07]	TR News	RMS is non-conformist (never was); that has been weaponised by a whole bunch of losers who try to signal to evil, murderous corporations that they're conformist and willing to cross the "heretic"
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[13:08]	TR News	CoCs are pledges of allegiance to the murderous people whose behaviour must never be questioned
[13:09]	TR News	CoCs create classes of people (the "ENFORCER/S") who are invulnerable to the Rule of Law. They ARE the law. http://techrights.org/2016/04/08/battistelli-epo-scorecard/
[13:09]	TR Bot	 Busted Battistelli: EPO President Violating the EPOs Code of Conduct | Techrights
[13:10]	TR News	Code of Conduct (CoC) is a very old concept. It's an ENABLER OF CRIMES. http://techrights.org/2017/12/30/genesis-of-battistelli-code-of-conduct/
[13:10]	TR Bot	 Raw: How and Why the EPO Code of Conduct (CoC) Came About | Techrights
[13:12]	TR News	It's not at all a coincidence that CoCs are most vigorously promoted by those who are salaried by the most heinous criminals in the world. They're protecting the criminals from critics. The sad thing is, most of them don't realise the extent to which they're being used. It's NOT about protecting minorities but about protecting the powerful.
[13:13]	TR News	A society forced to condone the crimes of some -- e.g. "royals" -- is not a society based upon any concept like Rule of the Law, to say the least
[13:14]	TR News	Code of Conduct (CoC) as proposed by criminals of the highest order in Europe. They even used the term CoC like a decade ago. http://techrights.org/2017/12/30/genesis-of-battistelli-code-of-conduct/
[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[13:20]	TR News	"Qt for Android Automotive helps developers create visually stunning user interfaces and experiences for different in-car displays all with the same code base. Heres how." https://www.qt.io/blog/put-your-developers-in-the-driving-seat but they need to RE-liberate Qt :/
[13:20]	TR Bot	 Put your developers in the driving seat
[13:21]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.2.gmi 
[13:21]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[13:22]	TR News	Microsoft-controlled bloat is a risk is it controls the Linux chain https://paulmck.livejournal.com/68136.html
[13:22]	TR Bot	 Kangrejos 2022: The Rust for Linux Workshop: paulmck LiveJournal
[13:22]	TR News	Vssue: an Open-source Git-based Commenting system for Vue projects https://medevel.com/vssue/ Source: Medevel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//medevel.com/vssue/
[13:22]	TR Bot	 Vssue: an Open-source Git-based Commenting system for Vue projects
[13:27]	TR News	 (NEW): Picamera2 Python camera library for Raspberry Pi leverages libcamera open-source framework http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Picamera2_Python_camera_library_for_Raspberry_Pi_leverages_libc.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Picamera2_Python_camera_library_for_Raspberry_Pi_leverages_libc.gmi 
[13:27]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Picamera2 Python camera library for Raspberry Pi leverages libcamera open-source framework
[13:28]	TR News	Jim Zemlin promotes virtual wallets https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/linux-foundation-announces-intent-to-form-openwallet-foundation/ https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-announces-openwallet-foundation-092123713.html wife's fraud: http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/zemlins-are-volatile/
[13:28]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Announces an Intent to Form the OpenWallet Foundation - Linux Foundation
[13:28]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation announces the OpenWallet Foundation to develop interoperable digital wallets
[13:28]	TR Bot	 After Defrauding People in New York Stock Exchange (Now Class Action for Securities Fraud) Jim Zemlins Wife Quits Bakkt to Dodge Liability | Techrights
[13:28]	TR News	'Linux' Foundation: enabler of scams. greenwashing, openwashing... you name it... just stick the "LINUX" label on it.. for a FEE
[13:33]	TR News	Linuxwashing again by ICBM https://www.suse.com/c/security-sustainability-and-speed-introducing-the-ibm-linuxone-emperor-4/
[13:33]	TR Bot	Sustainability and Speed: Introducing the IBM LinuxONE Emperor 4 | SUSE Communities
[13:33]	TR News	These are proprietary, PATENTED, and VERY expensive https://venturebeat.com/data-infrastructure/ibm-upgrades-linux-mainframe-boosting-availability-and-ai-performance/ ICBM PR
[13:33]	TR Bot	upgrades Linux mainframe, boosting availability and AI performance | VentureBeat
[13:34]	TR News	 (NEW): Linux Mint 21 Release Brings Reviewer a Welcome Reunion http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Linux_Mint_21_Release_Brings_Reviewer_a_Welcome_Reunion.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Linux_Mint_21_Release_Brings_Reviewer_a_Welcome_Reunion.gmi 
[13:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Mint 21 Release Brings Reviewer a Welcome Reunion
[13:34]	TR News	In ICBM's lexicon "transformation" means vendor lock-in https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/digital-transformation-get-buy-in
[13:34]	TR Bot	 Digital transformation: How to get buy-in | The Enterprisers Project
[13:37]	TR News	NPR is trying to normalise what many parents would deem obscene (but not the Gates family) http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/
[13:37]	TR Bot	 Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights
[13:38]	techuser	imho pedophilia will be normalized, be it good or bad
[13:38]	techuser	as a part of LGBT
[13:39]	schestowitz[TR]	is there any conenction?
[13:40]	techuser	"minor attracted person" as sexual orientation
[13:40]	TR News	 (NEW): Fly-Pie: A Mouse-Centric GNOME Shell Menu Launcher for Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Fly_Pie_A_Mouse_Centric_GNOME_Shell_Menu_Launcher_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Fly_Pie_A_Mouse_Centric_GNOME_Shell_Menu_Launcher_for_Linux.gmi 
[13:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Fly-Pie: A Mouse-Centric GNOME Shell Menu Launcher for Linux
[13:41]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: never heard such a thing before
[13:43]	TR News	Mitchell Baker 'forgot' to mention his TEN YEARS in Salesforce, only mentions 5 years in some firm a long time before that. Mozilla = dishonest liars. They should change the logo to a snake in a circle. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/carlos-torres-mozillas-new-clo/
[13:43]	TR Bot	 Announcing Carlos Torres, Mozillas new Chief Legal Officer
[13:45]	TR News	"A strange 1797 text with literary ambitions, written in Dexters personal eye dialect and entirely devoid of punctuation." https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/dexter-pickle/
[13:45]	TR Bot	 Trimalchio in Newburyport: Timothy Dexters *A Pickle for the Knowing Ones* (1848) The Public Domain Review
[13:46]	TR News	[PATCH 0/5] platform/x86: dell: Add new dell-wmi-ddv driver - Armin Wolf https://lore.kernel.org/platform-driver-x86/20220912125342.7395-1-W_Armin@gmx.de/
[13:46]	TR Bot	 [PATCH 0/5] platform/x86: dell: Add new dell-wmi-ddv driver - Armin Wolf
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[13:50]	TR News	Clickfraud SPAMNil Bhartiya now does some spammy "episodes" (PR spam) about IaC. Yes, "IaC" (yuck). How people feel about his online activities, which are in breach of terms of service and are funded by the Zemlins. http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/zemlins-are-volatile/ http://techrights.org/2022/06/08/lf-defrauding-clients/
[13:50]	TR Bot	 New Lows: Linux Foundation Defrauding Clients | Techrights
[13:50]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[13:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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[13:54]	TR News	 (NEW): Red Hat / IBM News and Noise (PR) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Red_Hat_IBM_News_and_Noise_PR.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Red_Hat_IBM_News_and_Noise_PR.gmi IBM shows young women in charge of mainframes http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Sexism
[13:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM News and Noise (PR)
[13:54]	TR Bot	 IBM - Techrights
[13:55]	starstreak	techuser, thats right wing propaganda
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[13:55]	TR News	Mozilla is even less trustworthy than the CAs it forces all Web sites to use/adopt.
[13:55]	schestowitz[TR]	starstreak: yeah
[13:55]	starstreak	the LGBTQ2+ want nothing to do with pedophiles
[13:55]	schestowitz[TR]	from what I can gather
[13:56]	schestowitz[TR]	zoophilia  and pedophilia are often linked to homosexuality based on nothing
[13:59]	starstreak	its horrible that people do that
[13:59]	TR News	Malaysia's Venom GNU/Linux 4.0 is released https://venomlinux.org/ they need to DELETE Github (Microsoft's proprietary attack on us)
[13:59]	TR Bot	 Venom Linux
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR]	it starts with,
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR]	"they brainwash the kids"
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR]	and then
● Sep 13
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"they want the kids"
[14:00]	TR News	THIS is what Linux NEEDS! | Kubuntu Focus 22.04 Impressions - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NxxYiiltRdc | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/NxxYiiltRdc
[14:00]	TR Bot	 THIS is what Linux NEEDS! | Kubuntu Focus 22.04 Impressions - Invidious
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	something something kids
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"argument won!"
[14:01]	starstreak	<schestowitz[TR]> something something kids <- pretty much
[14:02]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos: Kubuntu Focus 22.04, Destination Linux, and Late Night Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Videos_Kubuntu_Focus_22_04_Destination_Linux_and_Late_Night_Lin.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Videos_Kubuntu_Focus_22_04_Destination_Linux_and_Late_Night_Lin.gmi 
[14:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: Kubuntu Focus 22.04, Destination Linux, and Late Night Linux
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR]	that also creates a straw man that helps protect ACTUAL pedophiles
[14:09]	TR News	This might creep into Linux soon: "TrenchBoot is meant to be a universal framework to enable building integrity in the launch process of systems. To relate to real world usage, it is good to have a set of use cases that explain a subset of situations where TrenchBoot is applicable and how it would work in those situations." Backed by CIA Oracle :/ https://trenchboot.org/documentation/UseCases/
[14:09]	TR Bot	 UseCases - TrenchBoot
[14:10]	TR News	The Way Forward for K8s Security: Eliminate Standing Privileges - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/the-way-forward-for-k8s-security-eliminate-standing-privileges/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//containerjournal.com/features/the-way-forward-for-k8s-security-eliminate-standing-privileges/
[14:10]	TR Bot	 The Way Forward for K8s Security: Eliminate Standing Privileges - Container Journal
[14:10]	TR News	 (NEW): Simon Boaks SB116 is a TI Programmer-inspired DIY calculator http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Simon_Boak_s_SB116_is_a_TI_Programmer_inspired_DIY_calculator.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Simon_Boak_s_SB116_is_a_TI_Programmer_inspired_DIY_calculator.gmi 
[14:10]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Simon Boaks SB116 is a TI Programmer-inspired DIY calculator
[14:12]	TR News	Charmed Kubeflow 1.6: whats new? | Ubuntu https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/08/Kubeflow_1_6.shtml
[14:12]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kubeflow 1.6 (UPDATED)
[14:15]	TR News	This is a marketing lie: "96% of organizations either using or evaluating Kubernetes"... what organizations? Who gets counted? Fortune 500? And where? https://www.suse.com/c/suse-rancher-and-komodor-continuous-kubernetes-reliability/
[14:15]	TR Bot	Rancher and Komodor - Continuous Kubernetes Reliability | SUSE Communities
[14:15]	TR News	 (UPDATED): Kubeflow 1.6 (UPDATED) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/08/Kubeflow_1_6.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/08/Kubeflow_1_6.gmi 
[14:15]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kubeflow 1.6 (UPDATED)
[14:18]	TR News	"They want the ISP to take down misbehaving / spamming actors on their network. One could theoretically pay them to remove an ASN block for.. $485. But once a single IP address spams again, they'll add it back to their block list and keep the money." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-02-26-moving-off-self-hosted-email.html
[14:18]	TR Bot	 Moving off self hosted email
[14:19]	TR News	"The money was laundered through the Tornado Cash mixer." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/09/fbi-seizes-stolen-cryptocurrencies.html
[14:19]	TR Bot	Seizes Stolen Cryptocurrencies - Schneier on Security
[14:19]	TR News	 (NEW): Peazip: A Modern File Manager and Archive Tool for Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Peazip_A_Modern_File_Manager_and_Archive_Tool_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Peazip_A_Modern_File_Manager_and_Archive_Tool_for_Linux.gmi 
[14:19]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Peazip: A Modern File Manager and Archive Tool for Linux
[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[14:20]	TR News	Gitnet hberge vos pages statiques Gitnet hberge vos pages statiques
[14:21]	TR News	"The game involves stepping on a dancing stage with up, down, left and right panels similar to DanceDance Revolution, but it also features a center panel, bringing the total number of inputs per side to five." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202209/20220913-stepmaniax.gmi
[14:24]	TR News	"Sooooooo this was something that happened." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/court-dumps-trump-lawsuit-claiming-hillary-clinton-rigged-the-2016-election-he-actually-won/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:24]	TR Bot	Dumps Trump Lawsuit Claiming Hillary Clinton Rigged The 2016 Election He Actually Won | Techdirt
[14:24]	TR News	"Hany Farid is a computer science professor at Berkeley. Here he is insisting that his students should all delete Facebook and YouTube" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/fearmongering-cs-professor-insists-that-californias-design-code-is-nothing-to-worry-about-hes-wrong/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:24]	TR Bot	CS Professor Insists That Californias Design Code Is Nothing To Worry About. Hes Wrong | Techdirt
[14:25]	TR News	"To be clear, the shift from traditional cable television to streaming TV has been a very good thing." No, not quite. DRM and "you own nothing" is NOT progress. Cannot even make COPIES (no VCR) https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/youre-living-in-the-true-golden-age-of-television-enjoy-it-because-its-about-to-end/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:25]	TR Bot	Living In The True Golden Age Of Television. Enjoy It, Because Its About To End. | Techdirt
[14:26]	MinceR	https://i.ibb.co/crymYRq/IMG-20220913-040447-009.jpg
[14:28]	TR News	Social control media is toxic crap. We should collectively abandon it to solve this issue. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/12/eff-asks-ninth-circuit-to-toss-two-stupid-lawsuits-claiming-federal-government-is-moderating-social-media-users/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:28]	TR Bot	Asks Ninth Circuit To Toss Two Stupid Lawsuits Claiming Federal Government Is Moderating Social Media Users | Techdirt
[14:29]	XRevan86	MinceR: "Ye didn't but the remote e-voting system did"
[14:30]	TR News	"'King' Charles III has had an unusually protracted apprenticeship." https://www.thenation.com/article/world/king-charles-monarchy-adaptable/ | Source: The Nation
[14:30]	TR Bot	 God Save Us From the King | The Nation
[14:31]	TR News	DNC takes bribes too. The Bill Gates-bribed publishers want you to think it's a "right-wing" things and ignore the vastly bigger corruption by Gates https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/dnc-debate-ban-dark-money/ | Source: The Nation
[14:31]	TR Bot	 The DNC Moves to Block Debate on Dark Money, but We Wont Quit | The Nation
[14:33]	TR News	"major chunk of federal student debt" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/12/canceling-all-student-debt-would-cost-about-much-pentagons-f-35-boondoggle | Source: Common Dreams
[14:33]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Canceling All Student Debt Would Cost About as Much as The Pentagon's F-35 Boondoggle | Ashik Siddique
[14:33]	TR News	"Many workers remain unsatisfied with the compromise proposed last month by President Joe Biden's appointed arbitrators" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/12/workers-are-angry-looming-us-railroad-strike-puts-pressure-biden | Source: Common Dreams
[14:33]	TR Bot	 'Workers Are Angry': Looming US Railroad Strike Puts Pressure on Biden
[14:34]	TR News	"Astonishingly, citizen leaders for years have been marginalized to their and the Democratic politicians disadvantage." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/democrats-to-win-in-november-listen-to-the-messages-of-citizen-groups/ | Source: Counter Punch
[14:34]	TR Bot	To Win in November Listen to the Messages of Citizen Groups - CounterPunch.org
[14:36]	TR News	UK: from "eat or heat" to "FUNERAL AND CORONATION"
[14:42]	TR News	More inflation, except for the rich, who exploited that for more land grab https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/12/inflation-eases-its-time-fed-pause-rate-hikes | Source: Common Dreams
[14:42]	TR Bot	 Opinion | As Inflation Eases, It's Time for Fed to Pause on Rate Hikes | Joseph Stiglitz
[14:42]	TR News	"Union-busting is disgusting" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/12/disgusting-starbucks-help-its-workers-student-debt-unless-theyre-union | Source: Common Dreams
[14:42]	TR Bot	 'Disgusting': Starbucks to Help Its Workers With Student DebtUnless They're in a Union
[14:43]	TR News	"If the Legislature were to be successful in Moore v. Harper, it could threaten the state court's ability to provide this crucial check on the legislative branch." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/12/experts-warn-supreme-court-supporting-dangerous-gop-legal-theory-could-destroy-us | Source: Common Dreams
[14:43]	TR Bot	 Experts Warn Supreme Court Supporting 'Dangerous' GOP Legal Theory Could Destroy US Democracy
[14:44]	TR News	TechnoMetrica Institute of Policy and Politics (TIPP) https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/12/young-americans-approval-biden-soars-after-he-announces-student-debt-cancellation | Source: Common Dreams
[14:44]	TR Bot	 Young Americans' Approval of Biden Soars After He Announces Student Debt Cancellation
[14:44]	TR News	FSB https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/12/fsb-stages-murder-of-two-russian-occupation-officials | Source: Meduza
[14:44]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[14:45]	TR News	"Nearly two dozen municipal deputies in Moscow and St. Petersburg have signed a petition demanding Vladimir Putins resignation" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/12/municipal-deputies-in-moscow-and-st-petersburg-demand-putin-s-resignation | Source: Meduza
[14:45]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[14:45]	TR News	"police are checking one of Ksenia Sobchak's channels for a violation of the law" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/12/ksenia-sobchak-allegedly-being-checked-for-violation-of-gay-propaganda-law | Source: Meduza
[14:45]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[14:46]	TR News	Freedom of Information, Hungary under Orban's fascism/fideath https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/12/hungarian-figure-skater-vivien-papp-to-compete-for-another-country-as-too-many-russian-skaters-are-added-to-hungarys-team | Source: Telex (Hungary)
[14:46]	TR Bot	 Telex: Hungarian figure skater Vivien Papp to compete for another country as too many Russian skaters added to Hungarys team
[14:47]	TR News	"We publish regular reports about what we have been able to do thanks to our readers support." https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/12/how-strong-is-telex-what-have-we-achieved-so-far | Source: Telex (Hungary)
[14:47]	TR Bot	 Telex: How strong is Telex? What have we achieved so far?
[14:48]	TR News	The crime is the WAR, not CONDEMNING the war https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/12/multiple-russian-voters-charged-with-discrediting-the-army-after-writing-anti-war-slogans-on-ballots | Source: Meduza
[14:48]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[14:54]	TR News	"The European Astro Pi Challenge is back for another year" https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/the-european-astro-pi-challenge-is-back-for-2022-23/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
[14:54]	TR Bot	 The European Astro Pi Challenge is back for 2022/23 - Raspberry Pi
[14:55]	TR News	Texas https://thedissenter.org/us-labor-department-texas-newspaper-fire-worker/ | Source: The Dissenter
[14:55]	TR Bot	 Reporter Allegedly Fired For Complaining About Bugs
[14:56]	TR News	"Contractors Cash in as Congress Adds Billions to the Pentagon Budget." https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/spending-unlimited/ | Source: Scheerpost http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[14:56]	TR Bot	Unlimited scheerpost.com
[14:56]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[14:56]	TR News	"Economist Dr. Richard Wolff joins Lowkey where he exposes ways economic policy can be a code term used by the political establishment for class war" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/richard-wolff-sanctions-against-russia-inflation-and-class-war/ | Source: Scheerpost
[14:56]	TR Bot	Wolff: Sanctions Against Russia, Inflation and Class War scheerpost.com
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● Sep 13
[15:02]	TR News	"Betsy Gomez is coordinator for the Banned Books Week Coalition." https://www.projectcensored.org/banned-books-week-2022/ | Source: Project Censored
[15:02]	TR Bot	reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/banned-books-week-2022/ )
[15:03]	TR News	Long besieged by Famous Criminal Bill Gates https://truthout.org/articles/seattle-teachers-strike-for-smaller-classes-higher-pay-and-special-ed-support/ | Source: TruthOut
[15:03]	TR Bot	 Seattle Teachers Strike for Smaller Classes, Higher Pay and Special Ed Support
[15:04]	TR News	SCOTUS history https://truthout.org/articles/the-supreme-court-wont-save-us-it-was-founded-to-defend-white-supremacy/ | Source: TruthOut
[15:04]	TR Bot	 The Supreme Court Wont Save Us -- It Was Founded to Defend White Supremacy
[15:05]	TR News	Oregon https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/12/under-oregon-skies/ | Source: Counter Punch
[15:05]	TR Bot	Oregon Skies - CounterPunch.org
[15:05]	TR News	Jacksons privatisation begets health crisis https://truthout.org/video/corporate-involvement-in-jacksons-infrastructure-set-stage-for-its-water-crisis/ | Source: TruthOut
[15:05]	TR Bot	 Corporate Involvement in Jackson's Infrastructure Set Stage for Its Water Crisis
[15:06]	TR News	The nurses want to do their job, not be corporate shills https://truthout.org/articles/15000-minnesota-nurses-wage-largest-private-sector-nurses-strike-in-us-history/ | Source: TruthOut
[15:06]	TR Bot	 15,000 Minnesota Nurses Wage Largest Private Sector Nurses Strike in US History
[15:08]	TR News	Chris Hedges: Monarchs Belong in the Dustbin of History https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/chris-hedges-monarchs-belong-in-the-dustbin-of-history/ | Source: Scheerpost
[15:08]	TR Bot	Hedges: Monarchs Belong in the Dustbin of History scheerpost.com
[15:09]	TR News	Apple pandering to idiots and EFF pandering to Apple in "Bay Area"; EFF become a hipsters' cargo cult (ALL these devices spy a lot, but that does not bother EFF) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/effs-cover-your-tracks-will-detect-your-use-ios-16s-lockdown-mode | Source: EFF
[15:09]	TR Bot	 EFFs Cover Your Tracks Will Detect Your Use of iOS 16s Lockdown Mode | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[15:11]	TR News	CNC https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/testing-an-inexpensive-cnc-spindle/ | Source: Hackaday
[15:11]	TR Bot	An Inexpensive CNC Spindle | Hackaday
[15:12]	TR News	"Audiophiles will go to such extents to optimize the quality of their audio chain that they sometimes defy parody." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/equalize-your-listening-with-hifiscan/ | Source: Hackaday
[15:12]	TR Bot	Your Listening With HiFiScan | Hackaday
[15:12]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/254981
[15:12]	TR Bot	 AFU counteroffensive update: 6,000 km of liberated territories, blackouts in Kharkiv, losses of elite Russian forces
[15:12]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/12/armenian-mod-reports-azerbaijani-shelling-of-goris-and-jermuk-baku-claims-responding-to-sabotage-news "Armenian MoD reports Azerbaijani shelling of Goris and Jermuk, Baku claims 'responding to sabotage"
[15:12]	TR Bot	 . 
[15:12]	TR News	Mississippi Privatisation/Privateering https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/mark-fiore-exceptions-to-american-exceptionalism/ | Source: Scheerpost
[15:12]	TR Bot	Fiore: Exceptions to American Exceptionalism scheerpost.com
[15:12]	schestowitz[TR]	what makes them "elite"?
[15:13]	schestowitz[TR]	better uniform?
[15:13]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/13/ukraines-armed-forces-claim-to-have-shot-down-russia-purchased-iranian-drone-shahed-136-for-the-first-time-news "Ukraines Armed Forces claim to have shot down Russia-purchased Iranian drone Shahed-136 for the first time"
[15:13]	TR Bot	 . 
[15:13]	schestowitz[TR]	Russian TV: it didn't happen
[15:14]	schestowitz[TR]	it was a NATO machine gun that took down the pla... drone
[15:14]	schestowitz[TR]	loner: "according to Russian media.."
[15:14]	TR News	Arduino Nano https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/arduino-nano-powers-reverse-polish-notation-calculator/ | Source: Hackaday
[15:14]	TR Bot	Nano Powers Reverse Polish Notation Calculator | Hackaday
[15:15]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Losses of NATO elite forces
[15:15]	TR News	"Git is a wonderful tool that can multiply your projects impact, or make your project easier to manage by an order of magnitude." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/13/with-a-little-heat-printed-parts-handle-vacuum-duty/ | Source: Hackaday
[15:15]	TR Bot	A Little Heat, Printed Parts Handle Vacuum Duty | Hackaday
[15:15]	XRevan86	schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Guards_Tank_Army
[15:15]	TR Bot	 1st Guards Tank Army - Wikipedia
[15:16]	XRevan86	It's wrecked.
[15:17]	schestowitz[TR]	many mamas will cry
[15:17]	schestowitz[TR]	putin won't step down
[15:18]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> Putin's ego fell off https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09/13/heavy-losses-for-ukraine-the-feats-of-russian-soldiers-and-fake-news-from-kyiv | Source: Meduza
[15:18]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[15:18]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/255001
[15:18]	TR Bot	 Istories: Moscow region teachers asked for donations to buy underpants and socks for Russian soldiers
[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[15:22]	TR News	The Big Myth About Inequality https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/the-big-myth-about-inequality-it-just-happened/ | Source: Scheerpost
[15:22]	TR Bot	Big Myth About Inequality: It Just Happened! scheerpost.com
[15:24]	TR News	Git https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/git-intro-for-hardware-hackers/ | Source: Hackaday
[15:24]	TR Bot	Intro For Hardware Hackers | Hackaday
[15:24]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: sounds like The Onion
[15:24]	schestowitz[TR]	when they have their socks blown off
[15:25]	TR News	ICBM, the OTHER dinosaur that lives on by grifting (taking from taxpayers) https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/the-hunt-for-a-rare-version-of-ibms-os-2/ | Source: Hackaday
[15:25]	TR Bot	Hunt For A Rare Version Of IBMs OS/2 | Hackaday
[15:26]	TR News	Labor Activists https://truthout.org/articles/labor-activists-senate-candidates-should-support-pro-act-or-get-out-of-congress/ | Source: TruthOut
[15:26]	TR Bot	 Labor Activists: Senate Candidates Should Support PRO Act or Get Out of Congress
[15:27]	TR News	"Even if youre just making a brief hop over the Krmn line to gain a few minutes of weightlessness, getting to space is hard." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/12/blue-origin-loses-rocket-gains-abort-system-test/ | Source: Hackaday
[15:27]	TR Bot	Origin Loses Rocket, Gains Abort System Test | Hackaday
[15:27]	TR News	"Additional research demonstrates that pleasant music can reduce activity in the brains amygdala" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/13/stick-to-your-guns-no-stick-to-your-songs/ | Source: Counter Punch
[15:27]	TR Bot	to Your Guns? No, Stick to Your Songs - CounterPunch.org
[15:28]	TR News	"Well start off with a few minutes talking about CC and some current topics and then open the floor for anything youd like to chat about" https://creativecommons.org/2022/09/12/open-office-hours-with-ccs-legal-team/ | Source: Creative Commons
[15:28]	TR Bot	 Open Office Hours with CC's Legal Team - Creative Commons
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[15:38]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[15:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[15:42]	TR News	 (NEW): Security and Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Security_and_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Security_and_Leftovers.gmi 
[15:42]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security and Leftovers
[15:45]	TR News	Links 13/09/2022: LinuxOne Emperor 4 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/linuxone-emperor-4/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/13/linuxone-emperor-4/
[15:45]	TR Bot	 Links 13/09/2022: LinuxOne Emperor 4 | Techrights
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[15:52]	TR News	BDIRSTU Wordo: TABOR gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-09-13.gmi
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[16:05]	TR News	The founders of EFF care about the MISSION of EFF. The people currently in charge, however, seem to care only about money they can raise by milking to brand. Also compare Torvalds to Zemlin.
[16:12]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/13/crimean-restaurant-shut-down-for-review-after-famous-ukrainian-song-was-played-at-wedding-news "Crimean restaurant shut down for review after famous Ukrainian song was played at wedding"
[16:12]	TR Bot	 . 
[16:13]	XRevan86	https://independent.co.uk/news/b2166358.html
[16:13]	TR Bot	 President: Kazakhstan's capital will again be called Astana | The Independent
[16:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[16:57]	TR News	Steam Decks Huge Booth at the Tokyo Games Show 2022: First Look and Line-Up Announced - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/steam-decks-booth-at-the-tgs2022-first-look-and-line-up-announced/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/steam-decks-booth-at-the-tgs2022-first-look-and-line-up-announced/
[16:57]	TR Bot	 Steam Deck's Huge Booth at the Tokyo Games Show 2022: First Look and Line-Up Announced - Boiling Steam
[16:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 41.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 180.38
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● Sep 13
[17:01]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569712907604082688
[17:01]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "As the Kremlin claims not to be considering nationwide mobilization, multiple experts and pundits on state TV admit that it is needed, but would be next to impossible to implement. Here is one example:"|nitter.it
[17:02]	TR News	Now come the shallow, preplanned and prepaid puff pieces https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/12/Facebook_Openwashing_via_the_Linux_Foundation.shtml
[17:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Facebook Openwashing via the Linux Foundation (UPDATED)
[17:03]	TR News	 (NEW): Fedora Linux 37 Beta Released with GNOME 43, Official Raspberry Pi 4 Support http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Fedora_Linux_37_Beta_Released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Fedora_Linux_37_Beta_Released.gmi 
[17:03]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Fedora Linux 37 Beta Released with GNOME 43, Official Raspberry Pi 4 Support
[17:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> christine is 71 <- good
[17:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	i wont keep my fingers crossed, the devil takes care of his own
[17:08]	TR News	"If you ever posted a question to our Support Forum, you may be familiar with a contributor named FredMcD. Fred was one of the most active contributors in Mozilla Support, and for many years remains one of our core contributors." https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2022/09/12/tribute-to-fredmcd/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla
[17:08]	TR Bot	 Tribute to FredMcD The Mozilla Support Blog
[17:08]	TR Bot	 Mozilla - Techrights
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[17:10]	TR News	Rant: Phoronix keeps linking to Microsoft GitHub for projects that are only MIRRORED there. Why not link to the ORIGINAL???
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[17:12]	TR News	...And today's stories in Phoronix have no actual substance. It's just "there was this presentation", this was this git commit. All articles combined today attracted just 10 comments. To be fair, new IS slow.
[17:14]	TR News	Dedicate your time and devote your life to Firefox users, get a tribute page... only when you die: https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2022/09/12/tribute-to-fredmcd/ destroy Mozilla for Gulag Inc. (Baker), deposit $15,000,000 in the bank while firing many hundreds of engineers
[17:17]	TR News	LibreOffice has become very German/Italian and OSI has become increasingly Italian. Both badmouth the FSF. This clique is not trustworthy and has resorted to collective punishment against all Russians. How do you say "Drain the swamp" in Italian?
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[17:18]	TR News	OSI has become a PISA Microsoft. get it? http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/osi-budget-for-proprietary-software-monopoly/
[17:18]	TR Bot	 In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights
[17:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[17:22]	TR News	How to Create a Calendar Server With Baikal https://www.maketecheasier.com/create-calendar-server-baikal/
[17:22]	TR Bot	 How to Create a Calendar Server With Baikal - Make Tech Easier
[17:23]	TR News	xkcd: What If? 2 Flowchart https://xkcd.com/2672/
[17:23]	TR Bot	What If? 2 Flowchart
[17:29]	TR News	Enterprise Linux Security Episode 41 - Important CISO Focus Areas - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gLDQBIzkeYE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/gLDQBIzkeYE
[17:29]	TR Bot	 Enterprise Linux Security Episode 41 - Important CISO Focus Areas - Invidious
[17:29]	TR News	Testing the CalDigit TS4 Thundebolt Dock on Linux (Quick Review) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0GGYs8uLIJ4 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/0GGYs8uLIJ4
[17:29]	TR Bot	 Testing the CalDigit TS4 Thundebolt Dock on Linux (Quick Review) - Invidious
[17:30]	TR News	Linuxfx 11.2.22.04.2 overview | Fast, stable and very safe - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=S_LyvChIdlA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/S_LyvChIdlA
[17:30]	TR Bot	 Linuxfx 11.2.22.04.2 overview | Fast, stable and very safe - Invidious
[17:31]	TR News	Terra Ventura | Linux Game - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=n1whuVJBRCs | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/n1whuVJBRCs
[17:31]	TR Bot	 Terra Ventura | Linux Game - Invidious
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[17:35]	MinceR	13 152913 < XRevan86> MinceR: "Ye didn't but the remote e-voting system did"
[17:35]	MinceR	often they don't even pretend that much
[17:44]	TR News	Red Hat failing to acknowledge a lot of its staff, managers included, is fleeing https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/how-red-hat-approaching-future-work
[17:44]	TR Bot	 How Red Hat is approaching the future of work
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[17:55]	geert	i do get to consider it sad how many peeps rather seem to want to attack gnu than try help it
[17:56]	MinceR	"can _anyone_ help you?"
[17:57]	geert	MinceR :)
[17:57]	geert	still struggling with what you call failfox?
[17:58]	geert	some just try to compete man, and yea, sloppy imperfect descisions are made there in the dev path
[17:58]	MinceR	no, i used failfox very little this year
[17:58]	geert	what would you actually consider better browser then?
[17:58]	MinceR	failfox used to be the best damn web browser there is
[17:59]	MinceR	then they decided to toss out the old API for extensions, copy the chrome GUI and then they tried to force poetteringaudio on users
[17:59]	geert	decisions* sorry i should try more to improve my english application
[17:59]	MinceR	and now it's an inferior clone of chrome
[17:59]	MinceR	as a "modern" browser, i prefer chromium, and to that i prefer brave
[17:59]	geert	what about ungoogled chrome?
[17:59]	MinceR	for more lightweight stuff, there's links and linkx
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[18:00]	MinceR	i don't know ungoogled chromium, i don't think my OS-es offer it very much
[18:00]	geert	and i think you go a bit far saying firefox would have become nothing but a clone of chrome
[18:00]	TR News	Fedora 37 Beta links https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/12/Fedora_Beta_Clown_Computing_and_OpenShift.shtml
[18:00]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Fedora Beta, Clown Computing, and OpenShift
[18:00]	MinceR	_maybe_ openbsd's patches to chromium do something similar, i don't know
[18:00]	geert	its not what it was, but its wholly different than a clone of chrome i guess
[18:00]	MinceR	no, i'm saying failfox became _worse_ than a clone of chrome
[18:00]	MinceR	and i didn't even mention their idiotic trademark policy
[18:01]	geert	well i kind of get to see where you coming from
[18:01]	geert	*sigh*
[18:01]	MinceR	does ungoogled chromium do something about gulag fucking with the API for content blockers?
[18:01]	geert	i cant deny quite some stuff you mention
[18:01]	geert	github might get you some insight in ungoogled chrome, not particularly uninteresting
[18:01]	MinceR	brave has its own native ad blocker, that can help
[18:01]	geert	i get to run it some while now, actually i think its better effert than many
[18:02]	geert	i didnt even get to try brave yet, maybe its time to change that
[18:02]	geert	MinceR no, its more of stripped chromium
[18:03]	geert	effort*
[18:03]	TR News	"We're getting prepared for the imminent release of Godot 4.0 beta 1, and to do so we're having a (last?) alpha 17 release to ensure that things work as best as we can reasonably expect before the beta phase." https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-17
[18:03]	TR Bot	 Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 17
[18:04]	TR News	Tin Hearts: A Modern Day Lemmings with a Soothing Story - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/tin-hearts/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/tin-hearts/
[18:04]	TR Bot	 Tin Hearts: A Modern Day Lemmings with a Soothing Story - Boiling Steam
[18:06]	TR News	Mass DNA Collection in the Tibet Autonomous Region from 20162022 - The Citizen Lab https://citizenlab.ca/2022/09/mass-dna-collection-in-the-tibet-autonomous-region/ Source: Citizen Lab | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//citizenlab.ca/2022/09/mass-dna-collection-in-the-tibet-autonomous-region/
[18:06]	TR Bot	 Mass DNA Collection in the Tibet Autonomous Region from 20162022 - The Citizen Lab
[18:07]	TR News	ADPPA vs GDPR: how does the proposed US law compare to EU privacy standards? https://www.techradar.com/features/adppa-vs-gdpr-how-does-the-proposed-us-law-compare-to-eu-privacy-standards
[18:07]	TR Bot	vs GDPR: how does the proposed US law compare to EU privacy standards? | TechRadar
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[18:18]	starstreak	firefox is awesome
[18:19]	TR News	"understanding of how Open Source principals could or should apply" Who is the principal? At OSI it is Microsoft because OSI has no PRINCIPLES https://blog.opensource.org/episode-5-why-debian-wont-distribute-ai-models-any-time-soon/ http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/osi-budget-for-proprietary-software-monopoly/
[18:19]	TR Bot	 Episode 5: Why Debian wont distribute AI models any time soon - Voices of Open Source
[18:19]	TR Bot	 In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights
[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-12.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-13.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Alternative MPD clients to GMPC http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Alternative_MPD_clients_to_GMPC.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Alternative_MPD_clients_to_GMPC.gmi 
[18:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Alternative MPD clients to GMPC
[18:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Video and Audio: Games, Distros, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Video_and_Audio_Games_Distros_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/Video_and_Audio_Games_Distros_and_More.gmi 
[18:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Video and Audio: Games, Distros, and More
[18:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/13/today_s_howtos.3.gmi 
[18:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[18:28]	geert	starstreak well MinceR is not just talking shit when mentioning some development routes
[18:29]	geert	its not a clone of chrome etc. but he get to mention some points
[18:29]	geert	just competing doesnt feel so easy to many peoples and however competing shouldnt be first priority, it seems like mozilla really doesnt wana lose 'lots of ground' so to speak
[18:30]	MinceR	well, their extension API is practically the same as chrome's and their UI looked a lot like chrome's not long ago
[18:30]	MinceR	they've mixed up the UI a bit, i'm not sure if i like it
[18:30]	geert	thats called procrastination it seems :)
[18:37]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> firefox is awesome <- the authors are all cunts and the project is a scam
[18:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not even software anymore, its just lie-braries
[18:38]	highest_cubist_thrills	the ceo/president/mdfl is a criminal
[18:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	not to mention the whole thing was a prototype for cancel culture
[18:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	and part of the coup
[18:40]	geert	well you appear a little bit affected by grumpiness regarding firefox so to speak
[18:40]	geert	you dont necessarily need to refuse see all possibilities because you got to figure something about difficulties
[18:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	and they lie about everything
[18:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	"we care about your privacy"
[18:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	says the fucking nsa
[18:41]	MinceR	we have every reason to be grumpy about failfox and mozilla
[18:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	no you dont, youre fucking liars
[18:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	"if you work for mozilla... kill yourselves"-- bill hicks
[18:41]	geert	yea quite some toxic things are going on
[18:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	it isnt a joke
[18:41]	geert	i didnt say you're just joking like that
[18:42]	geert	but i think you kind of get to focus to the darker sides, i think its better to try see potential
[18:42]	geert	but they shouldnt lie, also about the privacy
[18:42]	starstreak	Brandon Eich is a homophobe
[18:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats true
[18:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes also in a cult
[18:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	which doesnt get him off the hook
[18:43]	geert	not everybody got much digital experience, some of em get to think its reliable at point of privacy etc. where there comes MUCH more to it to seriously secure privacy
[18:43]	starstreak	which is why i stopped using brave
[18:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	but as homophobes go, hes probably one of the lesser ones
[18:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	i actually participated in the axe eich debacle
[18:43]	starstreak	browsers are just malware bootloaders
[18:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	on the axe eich side
[18:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	it wasnt a proud moment and i do regret it
[18:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	it only paved the way for people who were much worse
[18:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	like there was nothing good about saddam, they took him out and replaced him with much worse
[18:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not like id vote for him
[18:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont like torvalds-- they took him out and replaced him with gkh
[18:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	not better
[18:46]	MinceR	and why couldn't mozilla find anyone _competent_ to replace Eich with?
[18:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	because eich WAS competent
[18:46]	MinceR	is it too much to ask?
[18:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	as competent as anyone trying to make a web browser
[18:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <MinceR> is it too much to ask? <- they didnt think that far / didnt care
[18:46]	schestowitz[TR]	they lpuit shaver in charge
[18:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	perhaps i should say we
[18:47]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2009/05/31/microsoft-changes-firefox-software/
[18:47]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Accused of Sabotaging Firefox | Techrights
[18:47]	schestowitz[TR]	Mozilla vice president of engineering Mike Shaver (2010) http://techrights.org/2010/01/27/mozilla-for-theora/
[18:47]	TR Bot	 Mozilla is Fighting for Us | Techrights
[18:47]	schestowitz[TR]	chrome was quite new back then
[18:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	interim leaders dont count
[18:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	theyre just there to stop people from saying "they replaced him with baker"
[18:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	which is much more true
[18:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	interim leaders are a dmz / neutral zone
[18:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	knauth
[18:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	though in iraq they put in someone from the bush oil dynasty
[18:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	and he went from interim to "elected" leader
[18:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	so that doesnt fit this pattern, its different
[18:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	but true interim (only interim) leaders dont count
[18:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	also, ive never heard of shaver
[18:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	how important can he be
[18:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	or did he put in baker
[18:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	idk/c
[18:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	baker is the charlatan / head of the coup now
[18:50]	highest_cubist_thrills	the one milking a non-profit like a fraud
[18:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	mozilla  never had a worse person
[18:52]	TR News	OIN is Not the Answer and the Real Issue Is Software Patents | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/zdnet-swpats-sjvn/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/13/zdnet-swpats-sjvn/
[18:52]	TR Bot	 OIN is Not the Answer and the Real Issue Is Software Patents | Techrights
[18:52]	TR News	AMD dumping a bunch of binary blobs on Linux. Soooooooo open. https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git
[18:52]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git - Repository of firmware blobs for use with the Linux kernel
[18:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	i use a browser downstream from mozilla
[18:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	id still be thrilled to watch it burn
[18:53]	starstreak	highest_cubist_thrills, tor browser
[18:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	the sooner the better
[18:56]	starstreak	there is that other browser coming soon
[18:57]	starstreak	https://awesomekling.github.io/Ladybird-a-new-cross-platform-browser-project/
[18:57]	TR Bot	 Ladybird: A new cross-platform browser project Andreas Kling I like computers!
[18:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	another toy from microsoft
[18:57]	starstreak	its not from microsoft
[18:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	so many browsers
[18:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	none of which will give you control of your computing
[18:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	<starstreak> its not from microsoft <- of course it is
[18:57]	starstreak	oh github lol
[18:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	the only place to get software
[18:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	hell. microsoft had less of a monopoly in the 90s
[18:58]	mjg59_	> < techrights-news> AMD dumping a bunch of binary blobs on Linux. Soooooooo open.
[18:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	in the 2000s i was replacing windows component-by-component with things microsoft didnt control
[18:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	you cant even do that now
[18:59]	mjg59_	And yet you use hardware that requires non-free firmware. Curious.
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[18:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	mjg is like the hanuman of goalposts
[18:59]	starstreak	ok so i might as well just run microsoft software?
[18:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	he can move anything
[18:59]	starstreak	microsoft edge for linux
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[19:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <starstreak> ok so i might as well just run microsoft software? <- no, there are two points here
[19:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	1. its always better to try
[19:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	2. worse than doing nothing is making excuses for doing whats wrong
[19:00]	mjg59_	I'm saying that if non-free firmware is worth complaining about, why is he not complaining about all the non-free firmware he's actually using?
[19:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	granted, it is probably hopeless for the near future
[19:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	 why is he not complaining about all the non-free firmware he's actually using <- who? 
[19:01]	mjg59_	Roy
[19:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	oh!
[19:01]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont know, but i have a guess
[19:01]	mjg59_	Non-free firmware *is* bad, but just complaining about individual instances of it doesn't help describe why it's bad or what the challenges associated with it are
[19:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, non-free firmware is a problem worth solving
[19:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	its one of the more difficult ones
[19:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	leah is the only one i know who is doing anything about it
[19:02]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf has a more perfect plan but i dont think its unfair to say its failing
[19:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	now leah probably knows more people, im just saying, i dont personally know of them
[19:03]	highest_cubist_thrills	i suppose hyperbola should also be mentioned
[19:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	for completeness
[19:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	even if you put the non-free firmware back in
[19:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think its better to start with an image/install that doesnt include it and makes it optional
[19:04]	highest_cubist_thrills	everyday people arent going to fish it out like theyre picking at their food
[19:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	"this contains peanut oil, but if youre allergic you can just eat around it"
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[19:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	roy isnt hard to explain once you understand that everything is a back justification
[19:11]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean literally everything
[19:11]	MinceR	apparently we're supposed to just give up and use proprietary everything
[19:12]		*starstreak downloads microsoft edge for linux and powershell
[19:12]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me likes starstreak no matter what crazy shit she does
[19:12]	starstreak	:3
[19:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	at least you didnt sign the letter
[19:13]	starstreak	i wouldn't really use edge
[19:13]	mjg59_	The FSF is fine with non-free firmware as long as it's in ROM (not flash), which means we still have the non-free firmware, it's just it's also now impossible to replace it with free firmware
[19:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	The FSF is fine with non-free firmware as long as it's in ROM (not flash), which means we still have the non-free firmware, it's just it's also now impossible to replace it with free firmware <- the fsfs position is a triumph of logic over reality
[19:13]	highest_cubist_thrills	i can even SORT OF justify it, but id prefer not to
[19:13]	mjg59_	But it also means the manufacturer can't replace it, which means *nobody* can fix the bugs, so that's better?
[19:13]	MinceR	the FSF is fine with a proprietary OS (systemd) as long as it's open source and the package manager doesn't help you install other proprietary software
[19:13]	MinceR	the FSF is batshit insane.
[19:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	no, i mean, devils advocate, i CAN reach a poitn where i dont think the fsfs position on firmware is USELESS
[19:14]	mjg59_	The position is consistent
[19:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it would be better to improve on it than try to justify it, even if it can be done
[19:14]	mjg59_	I just don't think it benefits freedom in a meaningful way
[19:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	The position is consistent <- it doesnt have to be and thats not the problem
[19:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	 I just don't think it benefits freedom in a meaningful wa <- neither do i, and thats more important
[19:14]	MinceR	i don't see what's consistent about this
[19:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	it matters that it doesnt benefit freedom in a meaningful way
[19:14]	MinceR	dehomag is special and their proprietary software is sacred?
[19:14]	highest_cubist_thrills	if anything, the main advantage is that it IS consistent.
[19:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	and thats not much of a plus
[19:15]	MinceR	or is it the Open Source Software Foundation now?
[19:15]	mjg59_	There are people (other than Leah) working on reverse engineering Intel's FSP, which would remove a blob dependency on some newer Intel boards
[19:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	it is definitely the osfsf now
[19:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	which means next it will be the msfsf
[19:15]	MinceR	yay
[19:15]	mjg59_	But even without the FSP, the CPU is running non-free code before it starts running Libreboot
[19:15]	highest_cubist_thrills	yeah i mean
[19:16]	MinceR	the microcode is also nonfree
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	the position of the fsf
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	WILL NOT (ever) get us to free hardware
[19:16]	MinceR	and you'll point to that in case this actually succeeds
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	free hardware is optional now
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	but ultimately, it will be needed
[19:16]	mjg59_	I'll point to it as an example that we're still running non-free code
[19:16]	MinceR	the position of the FSF isn't even getting us to free software anymore
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	and you dont get there by waiting until theres a clear path
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	you clear a path by starting now
[19:16]	MinceR	if i ran what they wanted to run, my OS would be proprietary
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	stallman should realise that
[19:16]	mjg59_	Anything that reduces the amount of non-free code we run is an improvement
[19:16]	MinceR	s/ed/ed me/
[19:16]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its inconvenient and outside what he thinks matters
[19:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	everyone is running non-free code
[19:17]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf has pivoted to deciding which non-free code is kosher and which is treif
[19:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	 <MinceR> the FSF is batshit insane. <- also this
[19:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	<MinceR> the position of the FSF isn't even getting us to free software anymore <- also this
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[19:18]	mjg59_	I mean, part of this is that RMS hasn't kept up with the past 30 years of technology changes
[19:18]	highest_cubist_thrills	<mjg59_> I just don't think it benefits freedom in a meaningful way <- and even this
[19:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	<mjg59_> I mean, part of this is that RMS hasn't kept up with the past 30 years of technology <- i dont think thats entirely true
[19:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the ways in which is is true matters
[19:19]	MinceR	does RMS even have a say in what the FSF does?
[19:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	not at all
[19:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes president emiritus
[19:19]	MinceR	even if he did, he'd be a single point of failure
[19:19]	MinceR	as was Torvalds in Linux
[19:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	he was a single point of failure
[19:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	and he failed
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[19:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	and thats that
[19:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	torvalds had a successor
[19:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	mjg took care of that
[19:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	im sure it wasnt mjg alone
[19:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	but its a fair statement
[19:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	i dont think oliva could have saved a damn thing
[19:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	he was the closest thing to a successor, and he isnt made of enough "stuff" to do it
[19:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	having stallman as a central point of failure made sense in the early days, even a few years ago maybe
[19:21]	MinceR	who was Torvalds' successor?
[19:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	for something like the fsf to be sustained
[19:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	tso of course
[19:21]	MinceR	pff
[19:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	eh
[19:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	then he didnt have one
[19:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	because gkh is a hitman
[19:21]	MinceR	i don't like his approach to filesystems
[19:21]	MinceR	yeah
[19:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	tso is a good guy
[19:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	good enough to get the axe for nothing
[19:22]	MinceR	iirc tso is to blame for the ext4 fuckup
[19:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	well, im no fan of that either
[19:22]	MinceR	but still much preferable to gkh and mjg
[19:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	but the fuckup we have instead is a lot bigger
[19:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean the fuckup we have now is linux has no future
[19:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not a viable kernel
[19:22]	highest_cubist_thrills	its a dead kernel walking
[19:22]	MinceR	indeed
[19:23]	mjg59_	tso is good at a number of small pieces of the kernel
[19:23]	mjg59_	He's not a great big picture person
[19:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	tso is good at a number of small pieces of the kernel <- you could say that about linux
[19:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	linus
[19:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	linus isnt a master of the kernel anymore
[19:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	even if they let him
[19:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	its over his head
[19:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	gkh isnt a master either
[19:23]	mjg59_	I think he's technically more competent than Greg in some specific areas, but I think Greg has a better idea of the overall state of things
[19:23]	highest_cubist_thrills	hes does what hes told
[19:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	I think Greg has a better idea of the overall state of things <- they let him in on the plan, so sure
[19:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	he runs the kernel the way the queen ran england
[19:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	at the behest of the people who run the kernel
[19:24]	MinceR	gkh runs Linux the way orban runs hungary
[19:25]	MinceR	(on putler's behalf)
[19:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	he does what hes told
[19:25]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats always going to get him points with someone
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[19:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf has no plan 
[19:26]	highest_cubist_thrills	single point of failure isnt a sustainable model forever-- it has its place
[19:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	they cant decentralise either, because they have no credibility left
[19:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	there are no parties left to serve them
[19:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	so its simply disintegrated
[19:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats not the same as decentralising
[19:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	it simply fell apart
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	i wont blame stallman for this, because other parties are more responsible
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it was stallmans responsbility to make it sustainable
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	everyone else failed too
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	stallman made a series of bad decisions
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	staring in 2011 at the latest when he stepped down as chief gnuisance
[19:28]	highest_cubist_thrills	while retaining the title
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[19:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	it cant be said enough that no one stepped up when stallman stepped down
[19:39]	highest_cubist_thrills	there was nothing but a series of pretenders to the throne, who pretended to care about the same things
[19:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats a bigger failure than the fsf itself
[19:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	because the failure of the fsf would not matter, if the fsf itself had a successor
[19:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	all it had were cheap knockoffs
[19:40]	highest_cubist_thrills	hell, the sfc is a second copy
[19:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	its not even a first copy
[19:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	sfc is the original osfsf
[19:41]	highest_cubist_thrills	all the projects under its umbrella are open source
[19:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	its like the bastard lovechild of fsf and osi, having most characteristics of both
[19:42]	highest_cubist_thrills	even more than osi did
[19:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	i think kuhn has done everything jim zemlin set out to do
[19:43]	highest_cubist_thrills	with the obvious exception that jim zemlin just wants bill gates to love him
[19:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	and kuhn just wants to be loved by stallman
[19:44]	mjg59_	The FSF failed to inspire leadership, but also leaned hard on the idea that leadership needed to be in the form of an individual genius
[19:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	The FSF failed to inspire leadership, but also leaned hard on the idea that leadership needed to be in the form of an individual genius <- sure
[19:44]	mjg59_	No one person could ever replace RMS, but the FSF did nothing to ensure there was a community to take on the role instead
[19:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	however, in nearly every instance this was only brought out as a dogwhistle in favour of corporate takeover
[19:44]	highest_cubist_thrills	and that cant be ignored
[19:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	not many people were willing to stand against corporate takeover
[19:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	and once stallman was toppled like the saddam statue
[19:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	pulled down by thousands of intellectual liliputians
[19:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	actually thats not fair
[19:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	quite a few of them are brilliant
[19:45]	highest_cubist_thrills	i should say political, not intellectual
[19:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	there was nothing left standing in the way of corporations
[19:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	he was the last obstacle
[19:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	so it wasnt even about genius
[19:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	it was about integrity
[19:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	the bigger failure was
[19:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	no one stood up to corporations like he did
[19:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	yes, it was bound to fail
[19:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	but not exactly for the reasons people usually say
[19:46]	highest_cubist_thrills	his genius falls flat in the face of several issues
[19:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	free culture. free hardware. the failure of the fsf itself
[19:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	he could have started a new fsf
[19:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	that was never going to happen
[19:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	he wouldnt abandon his child
[19:47]	highest_cubist_thrills	but thats the same sort of pride that got esr
[19:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	if stallman hadnt objectified the fsf
[19:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	he could have saved it (at least more than he will)
[19:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	instead of a child, he should have seen the fsf as an exosuit
[19:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	if your exosuit is destroyed
[19:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	you go build a new one
[19:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	but if your child is threatened
[19:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	you move heaven and earth to save it, even if its hopeless
[19:48]	highest_cubist_thrills	so as a father hes only human
[19:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	as a strategist, he has a dead child
[19:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	of course this is really sloppy and i dont think psychology is going to answer all our questions
[19:49]	highest_cubist_thrills	but at least the shoe fits
[19:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	instead of a child, he should have seen the fsf as an exosuit <- there are problems with this as well
[19:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	for one, its extremely condescending to everyone that worked for the fsf
[19:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	but thats easily fixed
[19:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	instead of one exosuit
[19:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	you see it as a bunch of exosuits
[19:51]	highest_cubist_thrills	one for each person fighting the good fight
[19:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	then its not condescending at all-- it means you have an organisation of people who have the potential to become great leaders
[19:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	the fsf never trained people to fight
[19:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	it simply handed people their papers 
[19:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	and people would show up and say "i can do this" 
[19:52]	highest_cubist_thrills	and then stallman would bless it or handwave it away
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[19:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	it wasnt as bad as it sounds, more people understood
[19:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	but it made enemies
[19:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	jilted lovers
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[19:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	enough of them wrote blogs about it
[19:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	you can see the tears-- theyre only human
[19:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	its neither fair to blame stallman entirely for this
[19:53]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean
[19:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	no one has a right to be loved by a particular person
[19:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats what stalkers think
[19:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	you have to love me!
[19:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	and you can say but stallman was callous
[19:54]	highest_cubist_thrills	well no, hes fucking awkward as fuck
[19:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	theres a guy that made gkar figurines in babylon 5
[19:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	gkar told him it was a horrible thing to do
[19:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	instantly the guy turned to revenge
[19:55]	highest_cubist_thrills	this has played out several times in the fsf
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[19:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	but make no mistake, stallman made a series of bad decisions
[19:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	and the fsf is no more
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[19:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	he had lots of help failing
[19:56]	highest_cubist_thrills	so much help, you have to consider the extraordinary amount of force-- AND TIME-- that it took to bring it down
[19:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	when you do the math, he did more to keep it viable than he did to destroy it
[19:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	still a single point of failure though
[19:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	i mean, it was going to come down
[19:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	if nothing else, it would have crumbled the day he died
[19:57]	highest_cubist_thrills	all they did by lynching him was move the date
[19:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	the bigger failure is none of the clones (fsfla, fsfe) are battle-worthy
[19:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	fsfla has shown mostly integrity but it might as well just hang around and get high
[19:58]	highest_cubist_thrills	fsfe is a machiavallian nightmare
[19:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	sfc has an infinite level of negative credibility
[19:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	and i dont know about moglen, but afaict sflc is in retirement mode
[19:59]	highest_cubist_thrills	probably not accurate, but if you cant tell then what difference does it make
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[20:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	so yeah
[20:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	thats about it for the free software movement
[20:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	maybe it will be back someday, like frosty
[20:00]	highest_cubist_thrills	there must have been some magic in that old drive platter they found
[20:18]	geert	egoism doesnt proof very valuable, effective to group.
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[21:03]	DaemonFC	I don't know what's more disturbing. 
[21:03]	DaemonFC	That there's a store calle "Buy Buy Baby" or that their gift cards say "Welcome to Parenthood".
[21:03]	DaemonFC	Welcome to Parenthood! Time to buy shit. This is gonna be expensive.
[21:04]	starstreak	HES LOSING HIS FORM! (putin): https://i.imgur.com/IiHJtLN.png
[21:06]	highest_cubist_thrills	rofl
[21:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	his surface is under attack
[21:08]	highest_cubist_thrills	special cosmetic operation
[21:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	"i want to introduce you to our latest mitigation"
[21:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	"sometimes the face can be used for side channel attacks, and information can be exfiltrated from facial expressions"
[21:09]	highest_cubist_thrills	"thats why this mitigation is called botox"
[21:10]	highest_cubist_thrills	"if you have attacked a plane or boat, this mitigation will prevent facial data exfiltration"
[21:19]	starstreak	lol
[21:19]	MinceR	> This is gonna be expensive.
[21:19]	MinceR	it is, though
[21:19]	MinceR	and it's going to suck hard for the baby
[21:19]	highest_cubist_thrills	rofl
[21:20]	MinceR	lol @ putlers' baby
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[21:20]	highest_cubist_thrills	/me falls over
[21:20]	starstreak	:D
[21:20]	starstreak	I love A.I
[21:21]	highest_cubist_thrills	to be fair, youre very easily amused
[21:22]	XRevan86	Reality is still better: https://youtu.be/-tj_m8vgH04
[21:22]	TR Bot	https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=-tj_m8vgH04
[21:22]	TR Bot	inv.riverside.rocks | ! - Invidious
[21:24]	highest_cubist_thrills	reality is just a skeleton in the closet
[21:27]	highest_cubist_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_yErA7uUl6Q
[21:27]	TR Bot	 Skeleton - Invidious
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[21:43]	DaemonFC	Walmart accidentally added a pound of roast beef I didn't order. Does no good to say anything. THey can't take it back. I mean, they will but they'll throw it in the trash once they've handed it off to you.
[21:43]	DaemonFC	A pound of roast beef is now $12.20, schestowitz-TR2 
[21:43]	DaemonFC	This is fucking bullshit. I guess I'd better enjoy the roast beef.
[21:43]	DaemonFC	If Biden's around much longer, there won't be any.
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