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[00:12]	schestowitz	Re: how Free is FOSDEM?
[00:12]	schestowitz	> They started censoring the list after my post, look at these headers
[00:12]	schestowitz	> from a message that appeared today, it was posted 9 October but only
[00:12]	schestowitz	> appeared today
[00:12]	schestowitz	> 
[00:12]	schestowitz	> So much for that Nobel Peace Prize for Freedom of Expression
[00:12]	schestowitz	Hack-a-Day did the same thing recently.
[00:12]	schestowitz	It's a sensitive subject.
[00:12]	schestowitz	Think of it this way; they don't worry about what YOU say but what the topic you brought up might lead OTHERS to say.
[00:12]	schestowitz	TheLayoff.com did the same last week in the IBM boards.  I quit posting links to that site after that.
[00:12]	schestowitz	Sensitive subject. Brings out many k00ks out from the woodwork, so they prefer to leave that OFF-list.
[00:12]	schestowitz	When someone mentioned it to me regarding Hack-a-Day (with evidence of deletions) I could almost sympathise because in IRC the subject of COVID routinely gets brought up and there's always the change of some idiot posting truly ridiculous things.
[00:12]	schestowitz	I saw that in Hack-a-Day.
[00:14]	schestowitz	----
[00:14]	schestowitz	sorry IRC was quiet this past half day
[00:14]	schestowitz	I finish work in 45 mins
[00:15]	schestowitz	also, we had some outages yesterday, mostly in our home 
[00:15]	schestowitz	there's no way to get around or prevent these, not an easy way anway
[00:15]	schestowitz	at least the main Web site suffered no outages
[00:15]	schestowitz	re COVID:
[00:16]	schestowitz	better to post that in #boycotnovell-social
[00:16]	schestowitz	or #techpol
[00:16]	schestowitz	to avoid silly debates on whether  digesting some horseshit [sic] is a good idea
[00:16]	schestowitz	the debate can start reasonable
[00:16]	schestowitz	but then someone can interject nonsense
[00:17]	schestowitz	the google trolls who stalks us here than lies about us in Twitter
[00:17]	schestowitz	people don't check if a tweet is true
[00:17]	schestowitz	they "like" and/or pass on
[00:17]	schestowitz	and some idiots think that a site not outsourcing to Linux Foundation is the EQUIVALENT of "anto-vaxx"
[00:18]	schestowitz	(I kid you not; would not link though)
[00:18]	schestowitz	all days of this month we'll focus on EPO scandals
[00:18]	schestowitz	they help expose corruption in other institutions across Europe
[00:18]	schestowitz	After Switzerland we show France/INPI
[00:19]	schestowitz	Then Portugal and Spain
[00:19]	schestowitz	Then Austria, tons of corruption there also
[00:19]	schestowitz	17 PDFs more by the weekend
[00:19]	schestowitz	with translations
[00:20]	schestowitz	e.g. http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/15-Rdler-Press-Release-March-2007.pdf abd http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/15-Parliamentary-Inquiry-No.-2-Oct-2009.pdf
[00:20]	schestowitz	that one is for this coming weekend, likely Sunday
[00:21]	schestowitz	Ariadne: lies are being spread about us in Techrights, just a headsup
[00:21]	schestowitz	"us in Techrights" as in the channel
[00:21]	schestowitz	social control media spreads falsehoods
[00:22]	schestowitz	"shoot the messenger" tactics almost always mean that the substance cannot be refuted
[00:22]	schestowitz	so an alternative strategy is embraced
[00:23]	schestowitz	on the upside, in gemini:// we now serve around 20k pages a day
[00:23]	schestowitz	nowhere near as much as http/s
[00:24]	schestowitz	but it seems like there are parallel protocols for dissemination of the underlying information
[00:24]	schestowitz	maybe we'll move to openwrt at home, but that's a big project and puts at risk support from the ISP
[00:24]	schestowitz	"you're on your own now.."
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[00:25]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: don't provoke GoogleTroll
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR2	not worth it
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR2	ignore
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR2	focus on the issues
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR2	the technical arguments have been solid
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR2	they won't try to respond to our articles
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR2	instead, stalking in IRC to deamonise [pub] the messengers
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR2	carry on blogging
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR2	the GNOME Web thing merits a mention
[00:29]	schestowitz	110% propaganda: https://www.iam-media.com/law-policy/can-the-epo-hold-its-world-leading-reputation-quality-in-new-normal
[00:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Can the EPO hold on to its world-leading reputation for quality in a new normal? | IAM
[00:29]	schestowitz	quality has not been world-leading for 5+ years
[00:29]	schestowitz	and it's not "new normal" that puts that at isk
[00:29]	schestowitz	it's corruption and miscommunication 
[00:29]	schestowitz	IAM is paid by EPO to drop this BS
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[00:36]	schestowitz-TR2	hi, nicker
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR2	new here?
[00:36]	nicker	nope, just visiting
[00:37]	nicker	wondering why altlink gone - did you kicked her?
[00:37]	Ariadne	lies such as?
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR2	nicker: no, why?
[00:38]	nicker	thanks for the info
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR2	Ariadne: never mind if you didn't notice, it's only coming from one person
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR2	nicker: I wondered the same thing in fact
[00:38]	nicker	I'm not saying you are lying
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR2	tbh, I have no clue who is behind that bot
[00:39]	nicker	Mastodon version is fine: https://mamot.fr/@altlink
[00:39]	nicker	Crimeflare
[00:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (@altlink@mamot.fr) - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fdr
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR2	but some of us like that, wish it could be fused into one single line
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR2	and maybe IRC "notice"
[00:39]	nicker	>  wish it could be fused into one single line
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR2	to improve readability
[00:39]	nicker	^ good suggestion! I'll forward it
[00:39]	nicker	here, https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/subfiles/service.altlink_irc.md
[00:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - subfiles/service.altlink_irc.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR2	I like gitea
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR2	main issue is, many dependencies
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR2	for small projects it's a lot of maintenance overhead
[00:40]	nicker	if you're on debian, it's just "apt install gitea"
[00:40]	Ariadne	i mean it seems to me like you all could just not discuss mjg59
[00:41]	schestowitz	fwiw, someone set up a #deCloudflare channel on this network
[00:41]	Ariadne	if you dont like how he portrays your discussions about him (much of which i find vile really) then thats one thing, but i dont see any lie there
[00:41]	nicker	really? never heard of that channel
[00:41]	Ariadne	those things were in fact said about him on the irc chat
[00:41]	schestowitz	Ariadne: yes, I keep stressing it's best to ignore
[00:41]	schestowitz	the person
[00:42]	schestowitz	and focus on the substance
[00:42]	schestowitz	one person keeps bringing up the person
[00:42]	nicker	well, we always (for real) getting attacked by pro-cf users and supporters so it's not a surprise to me.
[00:43]	schestowitz	it's not even our topic here
[00:43]	Ariadne	like 50% of the chat here is complaining about systemd, its author, boneheaded decisions GNOME made a decade ago, mjg59 trying to make linux work better with UEFI, 
[00:43]	schestowitz	I think this is why MinceR muted him
[00:43]	Ariadne	im here for the software patents
[00:43]	schestowitz	we talk about NSA one moment
[00:43]	MinceR	yes, say nothing ill about saint garrett, prophet of microsoft
[00:43]	schestowitz	then someone starts talking about sex and stuff
[00:43]	schestowitz	Ariadne: almost all articles this month are exclusives about patents
[00:44]	schestowitz	this is what we focused on since 2006 (Novell)
[00:44]	Ariadne	all im saying is that its very easy to get off course and start focusing on shit that is largely irrelevant
[00:44]	MinceR	13 013927 < nicker> >  wish it could be fused into one single line
[00:44]	schestowitz	I think there are clear attempts to derail
[00:44]	schestowitz	one method is
[00:44]	schestowitz	1. interject some conroversial subject
[00:44]	MinceR	also, if the bot sends it as a NOTICE (as RFC 1459 suggests), other bots won't respond to it
[00:44]	schestowitz	2. force other people to talk about (1)
[00:44]	schestowitz	3. wait for someone to say something vile 
[00:44]	Ariadne	talking shit about mjg59 does not keep things focused on software freedom, and the attacks on it from patent trolls and corporations
[00:45]	MinceR	so we won't get an extra title reply which is the same as the first
[00:45]	schestowitz	4. call the whole site vile (over something not related to the site's topic)
[00:45]	schestowitz	Ariadne: yes, that's why MinceR muted him
[00:45]	MinceR	mjg59 is mentioned because of the attacks on freedom he facilitates
[00:45]	schestowitz	it's clear what the troll tries to accomplish here
[00:45]	Ariadne	anyway im here for UPC coverage and EPO etc
[00:45]	schestowitz	and why he still hangs around
[00:45]	schestowitz	Ariadne: thanks
[00:45]	schestowitz	we have lots coming this month
[00:46]	schestowitz	I want to focus 90% of my time on this 
[00:46]	schestowitz	and devote the site to the current EPO crisis
[00:46]	nicker	starting up fixed version...
[00:46]	schestowitz	ah
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[00:46]	schestowitz	you are the operator of the altlink bot?
[00:47]	nicker	everyone has access
[00:47]	nicker	https://emsisoft.com/blog/
[00:47]	altlink_6fa	 Cloudflare: emsisoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://emsisoft.com/blog/
[00:47]	schestowitz	oh, I see
[00:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.emsisoft.com | Emsisoft | Security Blog: Straight-talking security advice from the Malware Experts
[00:47]	schestowitz	so it's a service as such
[00:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://emsisoft.com/blog/ )
[00:47]	nicker	https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/subfiles/service.altlink_irc.md
[00:47]	nicker	other IRCs are kicking tor
[00:47]	schestowitz	:) .md
[00:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - subfiles/service.altlink_irc.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea
[00:47]	schestowitz	markdown like some other software
[00:47]	schestowitz	and their GUI also copies something
[00:48]	schestowitz	but anyway, whatever gets people off of Microsoft's proprietary trap and GPL violations machine
[00:48]	nicker	oh, and you can send PM (personal message) to altlink  to create anonymous issue when we are not visiting
[00:49]	schestowitz	thanks
[00:49]	schestowitz	we'll be more actively shortly, I'm wrapping up a shift at work atm
[00:50]	nicker	I gotta go, it's almost night here
[00:50]	schestowitz	20,000 commits??
[00:50]	nicker	yep
[00:50]	schestowitz	are they adding domain names?
[00:50]	schestowitz	https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/commits/branch/master
[00:50]	nicker	what domain?
[00:50]	nicker	http://crimeflare.eu.org
[00:50]	schestowitz	I mean lots of changes
[00:51]	schestowitz	"19384 Commits (master) "
[00:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea
[00:51]	nicker	ah, it's a result of daily, 365 days, of history
[00:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - README.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea
[00:51]	schestowitz	makes sense now
[00:51]	nicker	CFE is now 5-6 years now
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR2	when we suffer DDOS attacks people tell us, move to clownflare
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR2	as if that's a solution
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR2	it's part of the problem
[00:52]	nicker	well we do block VPS on our servers (except Tor and VPN users)
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR2	and each year more traffic gets routed via this publicly-traded (Wall Street) clown sieve
[00:53]	nicker	lists data is located in /tools/useful_ip_list iirc
[00:53]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, This is turning into a long one.
[00:53]	DaemonFC	About how I started using GNOME daily because of the Yoga 900.
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[00:54]	nicker	night night ;)
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR2	0/
[00:54]	DaemonFC	And how it's taken this long for HiDPI support in GNU/Linux to evolve to the point where you have more than one choice if you have such hardware.
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[00:54]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: ah, OK, work in progress
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR2	I run old gnome3/shell on a laptop
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR2	I'm not loving it
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR2	but it's not as bad as Windows
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR2	my xfce machine has uptime of 200+ days now
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR2	xfce is very good for some things
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR2	and some people accuse us of giving "too much choice"
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR2	"too many cars!!"
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR2	trucks, jeeps, vans..
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR2	too many!!
[00:56]	schestowitz-TR2	We need a "universal car!!"
[00:56]	psydruid	it's a ridiculous argument by people with an agenda
[00:56]	schestowitz-TR2	a truck for every family
[00:56]	schestowitz-TR2	just in case they need to move homes
[00:56]	schestowitz-TR2	then they can use the family truck
[00:56]	psydruid	I used different DEs on different hardware
[00:56]	schestowitz-TR2	I used 4 different ones at the moment, even 5
[00:56]	schestowitz-TR2	if you count the pi machine behind me
[00:57]	schestowitz-TR2	visible in the videos
[00:57]	psydruid	one works better on one machine and another better on another machine
[00:57]	schestowitz-TR2	KDE4, Plasma5, GNOME, XFCE, LXDE
[00:57]	psydruid	with one-size-fits-all like Vista 10 I could throw them all in the bin
[00:57]	psydruid	because it runs like crap on most of the machines
[00:57]	schestowitz-TR2	sometimes I need a particular application or task which works better in some particular env
[00:58]	schestowitz-TR2	for the pi server I need something very very thin
[00:58]	psydruid	I run fluxbox or windowmaker on my (non-raspberry) pi
[00:58]	psydruid	but mostly it's just ssh
[00:59]	psydruid	on this one MATE seems to work best for some reason
[00:59]	psydruid	it feels faster than even XFCE
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[01:00]	schestowitz-TR2	fluxbox is  hardly used anymore
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR2	when was the last fluxbox release?
[01:01]	psydruid	I have no idea, but I use it to conserve resources
[01:01]	schestowitz	6 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluxbox
[01:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fluxbox - Wikipedia
[01:01]	psydruid	when everything goes to crap, I'd rather run something that is lightweight
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[01:03]	techrights-news	Is #OSEImmunotherapeutics aware of the collapse of #patent quality of the #EPO h Has it been paying attention? https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211010005016/en/OSE-Immunotherapeutics-Receives-New-European-Patent-Notice-of-Allowance-for-Tedopi%C2%AE see http://techrights.org/2017/10/17/detrimental-effect-on-european-patents/
[01:03]	altlink_6fa	 Cloudflare: businesswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211010005016/en/OSE-Immunotherapeutics-Receives-New-European-Patent-Notice-of-Allowance-for-Tedopi%C2%AE
[01:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com | OSE Immunotherapeutics Receives New European Patent Notice of Allowance for Tedopi | Business Wire
[01:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUEPO Representatives Like Elizabeth Hardon Vindicated as Battistellis Detrimental Effect on Patent Quality is Widely Confirmed | Techrights
[01:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | OSE Immunotherapeutics Receives New European Patent Notice of Allowance for Tedopi | Business Wire
[01:03]	techrights-news	#cat https://i.redd.it/r38tjf7ianq71.jpg
[01:04]	techrights-news	Full Circle Weekly News #231 https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-231/ #gnu #linux
[01:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fullcirclemagazine.org | Full Circle Weekly News #231 | Full Circle Magazine
[01:08]	techrights-news	The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part X: Introducing the Controversial Christian Bock http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-christian-bock/ #switzerland #ch #christianbock #epo #patents
[01:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part X: Introducing the Controversial Christian Bock | Techrights
[01:09]	DaemonFC	Most XFCE distros are being packed full of GNOME parts.
[01:09]	DaemonFC	So it's actually a lot heavier than KDE now on most distributions.
[01:11]	techrights-news	Unqualified Managers and Demoralising Leadership in Switzerland (Like in EPO) http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/switzerland-christian-bock/ #switzerland #ch #christianbock #epo #patents
[01:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Unqualified Managers and Demoralising Leadership in Switzerland (Like in EPO) | Techrights
[01:14]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, JWZ made the accusation that GNOME stole his XScreenSaver code, changed the BSD license to "GPL", and then removed his name from it and said copyright some other guy.
[01:15]	techrights-news	#Kubuntu Focus XE is the perfect laptop for Windows-switchers and Linux beginners [Review] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156709 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubuntu Focus XE is the perfect laptop for Windows-switchers and Linux beginners [Review] | Tux Machines
[01:15]	DaemonFC	By extension, Cinnamon and MATE got it as well during the forks.
[01:15]	techrights-news	#Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156708 #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[01:15]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: reuse is OK
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR2	even encouraged
[01:16]	DaemonFC	Stripping someone's copyright is not allowed under the BSD license.
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR2	without it, we have junk like systemd
[01:16]	DaemonFC	Much less claiming someone else wrote it.
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR2	that nobody can truly fork
[01:16]	DaemonFC	It's about the only way you can violate a BSD license.
[01:19]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.73   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.05 swarm size (avg): 260.92  
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: can you proof-read in a mo?
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR2	it's about fake security
[01:24]	techrights-news	[Meme] [Teaser] Swiss Rumbustious Alpha-Rambos http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-rambos/ #switzerland #ch #christianbock #epo #patents
[01:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] Swiss Rumbustious Alpha-Rambos | Techrights
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[01:30]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: it is about security theatre
[01:33]	techrights-news	Monster Crown is the next-generation of retro monster catching out now | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/monster-crown-is-the-next-generation-of-retro-monster-catching-out-now #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 
[01:33]	altlink_420	 Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/monster-crown-is-the-next-generation-of-retro-monster-catching-out-now
[01:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monster Crown is the next-generation of retro monster catching out now | GamingOnLinux
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[01:35]	techrights-news	Seems very off-topic for this site. Celebrating VERY PROPRIETARY hardware. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/amd-celebrates-5-years-of-ryzen-a-zen-3-refresh-with-3d-v-cache-due-in-2022
[01:35]	altlink_420	 Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/amd-celebrates-5-years-of-ryzen-a-zen-3-refresh-with-3d-v-cache-due-in-2022
[01:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD celebrates 5 years of Ryzen, a Zen 3 refresh with 3D V-Cache due in 2022 | GamingOnLinux
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[01:36]	DaemonFC	Yeah.
[01:36]	DaemonFC	Link?
[01:36]	schestowitz-TR2	thanks!
[01:36]	schestowitz-TR2	hand on
[01:36]	schestowitz-TR2	hang
[01:37]	techrights-news	Is #FirefoxSuggest Stealing Your Key Strokes? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=A9aLsz1fUc4 #video #mozilla #firefox
[01:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Is Firefox Suggest Stealing Your Key Strokes? - Invidious
[01:38]	techrights-news	You dont NEED the command line to use Linux, but you SHOULD use it! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=aiPthUAIYBg #video #invidious #gnu #linux
[01:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | You don't NEED the command line to use Linux, but you SHOULD use it! - Invidious
[01:38]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, "The Microsoft Press continues to "WSL" on us, but the question remains, why would you want to take a highly reliable OS and run it as a Guest on Windows?"
[01:38]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/citation-fake-security/
[01:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Citation/Atlas Security Exam is a Total Farce, But Its Still Good for Entertainment Purposes | Techrights
[01:38]	schestowitz	draft/crude
[01:38]	DaemonFC	It's been WSL this and CBL-Mariner that from OMG MSFT Joey, SJVN, and Michael Larabel.
[01:38]	schestowitz	I'm sure you will find errors
[01:39]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: yes, exactly those three,. plus Brad Linder
[01:39]	schestowitz	Liliputing
[01:39]	schestowitz	and CNX Software
[01:39]	DaemonFC	I ran into a CBL-Mariner one on Phoronix the other day.
[01:39]	schestowitz	it's old
[01:39]	DaemonFC	He's an advertisement for Windows now.
[01:39]	schestowitz	they pretend it's new
[01:39]	schestowitz	like "clear Linux'
[01:39]	schestowitz	how did that crap from Intel work out?
[01:39]	schestowitz	nobody uses it, like WSL
[01:40]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: some people told me all that clear linux stuff from phoronix was spam
[01:40]	DaemonFC	Well, considering that Phoronix ran the benchmark suit recently and Clear Linux got its ass handed to it by Ubuntu 21.10.....
[01:40]	schestowitz	maybe intel paid him to pretend intel distro was a 'thing'
[01:40]	DaemonFC	It seems like the days of Intel being out ahead of other GNU/Linux distros with optimizations for their computers are over.
[01:40]	schestowitz	clear linux will die
[01:40]	schestowitz	like oher intel OSes
[01:40]	schestowitz	inc RTOSses
[01:40]	schestowitz	that flounder and get shelved in LF
[01:41]	schestowitz	to pretend to be vendor-neutral
[01:41]	schestowitz	they also tried some mobile ones for Atomy
[01:41]	schestowitz	*Atomy
[01:41]	schestowitz	->Atom
[01:41]	schestowitz	the deam processor family
[01:41]	schestowitz	*dead Atom
[01:41]	schestowitz	never got off the ground
[01:41]	DaemonFC	education them
[01:41]	DaemonFC	educate
[01:42]	schestowitz-TR2	thanks, amended
[01:43]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, I'm moving 2FA over to GNOME Authenticator (with Google Authenticator as backup).
[01:43]	DaemonFC	But some still requires a phone number, including my banks.
[01:43]	DaemonFC	But I'm trying to move as much of this mess away from being tied to a phone number as I can.
[01:43]	schestowitz-TR2	yeah
[01:43]	schestowitz-TR2	fallbacks do exist
[01:45]	DaemonFC	"even outright lies?"
[01:45]	DaemonFC	and even
[01:45]	DaemonFC	"At almost random"
[01:45]	DaemonFC	Almost at random
[01:46]	DaemonFC	"At the end, one is required to lie or say what they expect you to say in order to pass the test (which I did)."
[01:46]	DaemonFC	No mistakes, but are you sure this isn't the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory?
[01:46]	DaemonFC	:)
[01:46]	DaemonFC	"I LIKE TO SET FIRES!"
[01:47]	DaemonFC	Uhm, strongly disagree. Yeah, they're going to put me in a straight jacket if I say "Yeah, you're goddamned right I do! And I like to blow shit up too!".
[01:48]	DaemonFC	"arent as terrible than"
[01:48]	DaemonFC	terrible as
[01:48]	DaemonFC	"training as"
[01:48]	DaemonFC	'training', as
[01:49]	DaemonFC	"outrageous fallacies"
[01:49]	DaemonFC	missing full stop
[01:50]	DaemonFC	"ARE CRIMINALS A THREAT?".
[01:50]	DaemonFC	Is how that should go.
[01:50]	DaemonFC	And yes... CRIMINALS BAD! CRIMINALS BAAAAD!
[01:52]	DaemonFC	"No mention of weakened (i.e. fake) encryption."
[01:53]	DaemonFC	In some ways, the NSA improved Triple DES, but only to the point where it would have been trivial for others in 1995 or soon after to break it.
[01:54]	DaemonFC	I get emails that say my LinkedIn was accessed.
[01:54]	DaemonFC	I don't even have one, although someone I dated who has a criminal arrest warrant active does.
[01:54]	DaemonFC	He works for Doordash now.
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR2	:-)
[01:55]	DaemonFC	His resume is basically a string of jobs he had for several weeks and a bus driving job where he faked a worker's comp accident.
[01:56]	techrights-news	#Citation /Atlas #Security Exam is a Total Farce, But It's Still Good for Entertainment Purposes http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/citation-fake-security/ #SecurityTheatre #fakesecurity #indoctrination
[01:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Citation/Atlas Security Exam is a Total Farce, But Its Still Good for Entertainment Purposes | Techrights
[01:56]	DaemonFC	Windows key plus L locks the screen on GNOME and KDE as well.
[01:56]	DaemonFC	Might as well use them for something people probably already remember.
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR2	ctrl+alt
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR2	now windows key
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR2	last I checked
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR2	some machines do not have such a key
[01:57]	schestowitz-TR2	inc. "mac" PCs
[01:58]	DaemonFC	Switching VPN servers when this happens, usually.
[01:58]	DaemonFC	Trying to get my downloads going again.
[01:59]	DaemonFC	It seems the servers get randomly congested and start slowing me down sometimes.
[01:59]	DaemonFC	NordVPN is obviously slowing down Bittorrent.
[01:59]	DaemonFC	You do anything else and it's almost the speed of your underlying connection.
[01:59]	DaemonFC	You download a torrent and it's like 1-1.5 MB/s
● Oct 13
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR2	low
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR2	relatively speaking
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR2	for mbit
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR2	I assume you mean Mbit
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR2	broadban companies and ISPs exploit a misconception
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR2	so it means it look or sound 8 times faster
[02:01]	DaemonFC	MiB
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR2	almost a whole order of magnitude
[02:01]	DaemonFC	Yes, worse than hard drive companies.
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR2	they go down to bits
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR2	binary
[02:01]	DaemonFC	"Antivirus software is a must have for anyone with a computer."
[02:02]	DaemonFC	If it runs Windows.
[02:02]	techrights-news	Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156710 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[02:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[02:02]	DaemonFC	"Did I learn something from this course? Absolutely nothing. But I got some giggles. Many millions of people are constantly subjected to this kind of propaganda, which sometimes seems more like marketing than actual education."
[02:03]	DaemonFC	Reminds me of those bankruptcy lessons you have to take that everyone passes.
[02:03]	DaemonFC	You ended up $100,000 in the hole because you didn't turn your laundry inside out before you washed it.
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR2	[02:02] <DaemonFC> If it runs Windows.
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR2	I left out that bit
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR2	I noticed it
[02:03]		*leah has quit (connection closed)
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR2	that is arguable
[02:03]		*leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR2	some might tell you, do the same for other OSes
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR2	I can dispute that
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR2	mostly along the lines of, the AV is proprietary
[02:04]	DaemonFC	I have never used antivirus on another OS.
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR2	but then you're like a free software 'purist'
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR2	which is a whole different debate
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: now they push these to android users
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR2	at the stores
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR2	and ISPs do the same
[02:04]	DaemonFC	Mostly nobody bothers writing viruses for "Linux" aside from targeting the one in particular that runs in WSL, as a way to exploit Windows.
[02:04]	DaemonFC	So now we're back to Windows again.
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR2	"do you want our security package"
[02:05]	schestowitz-TR2	they sell security as addon or another product
[02:05]	schestowitz-TR2	like airlines do with meals now
[02:05]	techrights-news	#Games: Monster Crown, Elsinore, Warzone 2100, GameCIH APK v3.0.4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156711 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[02:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Monster Crown, Elsinore, Warzone 2100, GameCIH APK v3.0.4 | Tux Machines
[02:05]	DaemonFC	There have been several actual "Linux" viruses, but even Wikipedia struggles to name any that did serious damage.
[02:05]	schestowitz-TR2	ryanair thought about charging people to use toilets on the plane
[02:05]	schestowitz-TR2	if you don't have money, poop in the flight
[02:05]	DaemonFC	I think the worst one ever affected some versions of Red Hat Linux in the mid 2000s or something.
[02:06]	schestowitz-TR2	things stick rather quickly
[02:06]	schestowitz-TR2	and you realise it's a bad idea
[02:06]	DaemonFC	When you aren't attacking a known target, I mean come on.
[02:06]	schestowitz-TR2	I once read about people defacating in the flight, but cannot remember the context any longer
[02:06]	DaemonFC	You have no idea that it will work as intended. Easier to go after operating systems that are all basically the same thing, like Windows versions, and Macs.
[02:06]	schestowitz-TR2	*defecating
[02:06]	DaemonFC	Many of them share the same vulnerabilities going back decades.
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR2	yeah
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR2	but that's an aside
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR2	this 'course' is funny
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR2	I didn't even show many other parts
[02:07]	DaemonFC	You want to write a "Linux virus", good luck.
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR2	with buzzwords like "vishing"
[02:07]	DaemonFC	You will need to target it at a particular version of a particular distribution.
[02:07]	MinceR	or you can just target systemd
[02:08]	DaemonFC	When people notice it, they'll patch. The patch will be out quickly and they'll be running the patch before you can get any critical mass.
[02:08]	schestowitz-TR2	you can write linux malware
[02:08]	schestowitz-TR2	but getting people to actually run it is hard
[02:08]	schestowitz-TR2	to send it
[02:08]	schestowitz-TR2	and then get them to run it
[02:08]	schestowitz-TR2	esp. as root
[02:08]	schestowitz-TR2	viruses are not malware
[02:08]	schestowitz-TR2	they spread themselves
[02:08]	MinceR	what
[02:08]	DaemonFC	nordvpn runs as root.
[02:08]	schestowitz-TR2	on linux it is hard
[02:08]	DaemonFC	I saw that and I wasn't really too happy about it.
[02:09]	schestowitz-TR2	most vpns need root
[02:09]	schestowitz-TR2	openvpn
[02:09]	schestowitz-TR2	ipsec
[02:09]	schestowitz-TR2	strongswan
[02:09]	schestowitz-TR2	they alter your network stack
[02:09]	DaemonFC	Yes, to manage the wireguard interface.
[02:09]	schestowitz-TR2	don't be alarmed
[02:09]	schestowitz-TR2	but be sure not to use dodgy vpn s/w
[02:10]	DaemonFC	Some of them are definitely much more questionable than NordVPN.
[02:10]	DaemonFC	It's getting mainstream.
[02:10]	DaemonFC	They sell NordVPN gift cards at Best Buy now.
[02:10]	schestowitz-TR2	wget [some options]  [vpn company url] | sudo sh -
[02:10]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: nord will be sold next
[02:10]	schestowitz-TR2	ensure they don't log
[02:11]	DaemonFC	Why do you think I didn't buy a 2 or 3 year subscription?
[02:11]	schestowitz	      <li>
[02:11]	schestowitz	        <h5><a href="https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-service-will-block-bittorrent-and-keep-logs-to-settle-piracy-lawsuit-211011/">VPN Service 'Agrees' to Block BitTorrent and Keep Logs to Settle Piracy Lawsuit (Updated)</a></h5>
[02:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VPN Service 'Agrees' to Block BitTorrent and Keep Logs to Settle Piracy Lawsuit (Updated) * TorrentFreak
[02:11]	schestowitz	        <blockquote>
[02:11]	schestowitz	          <p>VPN.ht has settled a copyright infringement lawsuit filed by a group of independent movie companies earlier this year. As part of the deal, the VPN agreed to block all BitTorrent traffic and log IP-address information on its US servers. While this a controversial order, VPN.ht says that users are still protected as the company will stop using US servers.</p></blockquote></li>
[02:11]	schestowitz	yesterday ^^
[02:12]	schestowitz-TR2	vpn companies can become honeypots
[02:12]	schestowitz-TR2	and they won't tell you
[02:12]	schestowitz-TR2	that might even be their business model
[02:12]	schestowitz-TR2	snitching chokepoints on hold
[02:12]	schestowitz-TR2	then comes kape with payday
[02:12]	schestowitz-TR2	for PIA/Lee
[02:13]	techrights-news	#Sinclair Pocket TV Teardown | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/10/11/sinclair-pocket-tv-teardown/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/10/13/#latest
[02:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sinclair Pocket TV Teardown | Hackaday
[02:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[02:13]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/a-tale-of-two-kde-distributions-kubuntu-21-10-and-debian-11-gnu-linux/
[02:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | A tale of two KDE distributions. Kubuntu 21.10 and Debian 11 GNU/Linux. BaronHK's Rants
[02:13]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, Thoughts?
[02:14]	schestowitz-TR2	will read
[02:14]	schestowitz-TR2	will report as I read/copy
[02:14]	MinceR	13 031050 < schestowitz-TR2> ensure they don't log
[02:14]	MinceR	it's pointless to use a VPN service that logs in the first place
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR2	tell that to their average client..
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR2	they think THIS company is "OK"
[02:17]	DaemonFC	Kubuntu 8.04 LTS had a KDE 4 ISO, but if you did that, you'd end up with a terribly broken mess, and no LTS.
[02:18]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.48   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.73 swarm size (avg): 260.91  
[02:18]	DaemonFC	I thought it was amusing that they were one of the few distributions who decided to stay back and patch KDE 3 up some more to hold them over for a cycle.
[02:18]	DaemonFC	Fedora went right ahead and packaged KDE 4.0.3 and it was terrible.
[02:20]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/784691.jpg
[02:20]	altlink_420	 Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/784691.jpg
[02:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20211013012124/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/784691.jpg )
[02:23]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: glad you like kde
[02:23]	schestowitz-TR2	no typos spotted thus far
[02:26]	schestowitz-TR2	stil no typos found
[02:26]	schestowitz-TR2	just "..." without trailing space
[02:26]	techrights-news	A Tale of Two #KDE Distributions: Kubuntu 21.10 and Debian 11 GNU/Linux http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/kubuntu-21-10-vs-debian-11/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/kubuntu-21-10-vs-debian-11/
[02:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Tale of Two KDE Distributions: Kubuntu 21.10 and Debian 11 GNU/Linux | Techrights
[02:26]		*schestowitz-TR2 gemifying
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR2	the daily bulletin's cuttoff is 10 mins from now
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR2	brb coffe+snack
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR2	*ee
[02:34]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/excuse-me-your-memory-is-leaking-gnome-software-running-in-the-background-taking-hundreds-of-mb-of-ram/
[02:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Excuse me, your memory is leaking. GNOME Software running in the background, taking hundreds of MB of RAM. BaronHK's Rants
[02:36]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[02:36]	schestowitz-TR2	that explains a lot
[02:36]	DaemonFC	I included the error messages from JWZ's Mac.
[02:37]	techrights-news	 techpol + social irc Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-121021.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-121021.txt GEMINI: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-121021.txt
[02:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 12, 2021
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[02:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 12, 2021
[02:38]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, Remember how the Linux developers framed their interactions with Hans Reiser?
[02:38]	techrights-news	#clownflare : "imagine if it was a Chinese company" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-121021.html#tOct%2012%2010:26:29
[02:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 12, 2021
[02:39]	DaemonFC	To make it look like he was "abusing volunteer reviewers".
[02:39]	DaemonFC	They made it sound like the people reviewing the code going into Linux are unpaid or something.
[02:39]	techrights-news	 boycottnovell irc Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-121021.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-121021.txt GEMINI: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-121021.txt
[02:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 12, 2021
[02:39]	techrights-news	"...it's alarming as hell all of those discord/slack/whatever sites people chat on...." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-121021.html#tOct%2012%2013:52:32
[02:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 12, 2021
[02:40]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: they're not volunteers
[02:40]	schestowitz-TR2	very few linux hackers do it for no pay
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[02:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 12, 2021
[02:40]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe less than 10%
[02:40]	schestowitz-TR2	kernel hackers are paid a LOT
[02:40]	schestowitz-TR2	by evil companies mostly
[02:40]	schestowitz-TR2	sad to say...
[02:40]	DaemonFC	The percentage has dropped dramatically over the decades.
[02:40]	schestowitz-TR2	KDE is a different story
[02:40]	DaemonFC	Started out, almost everyone was a volunteer.
[02:41]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: no wonder
[02:41]	DaemonFC	Then by the end of the 90s, maybe half?
[02:41]	schestowitz-TR2	with CoC and stuff controlled by Intel et al
[02:41]	schestowitz-TR2	Zemlin steals the labour
[02:41]	DaemonFC	Then by 2010, perhaps 10-15%.
[02:41]	schestowitz-TR2	monetises decades of volunteers' work
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR2	recently I was comparing, repeatedly, zemlin to baker
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR2	similar exploitation
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR2	by the totally clueless
[02:42]	DaemonFC	They want to shove kdbugs in there and call it a day and then argue if Linux really needs a floppy disk driver that is a few KB of well tested code.
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR2	the world is run by them
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR2	the media celebrates them
[02:42]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[02:42]	techrights-news	 Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-10-12.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2021-10-12.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: then dump 500,000 LOCs of AMD drivers
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR2	for proprietary hardware
[02:43]	DaemonFC	All of the kernel source is compressed. It compresses down to almsot nothing for a driver such as that.
[02:43]	schestowitz-TR2	when I say dump I mean sink into the kernel
[02:43]	schestowitz-TR2	no audit, nothing..
[02:43]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: 4 articles of yours in the bulletins
[02:43]	DaemonFC	Well, the proprietary driver is actually slower than the one that comes with Mesa and the kernel.
[02:44]	DaemonFC	I'm told you install the proprietary one to get "Certified" OpenGL drivers.
[02:44]	DaemonFC	Which....run slower.
[02:45]	DaemonFC	In fact, the "Certified" drivers are probably less compliant than the open source ones.
[02:45]	DaemonFC	The conformance tests they put the open source stack through is really quite good.
[02:47]	techrights-news	"Each 3D-printed pin is controlled with a solenoid, all of which are driven by a single Arduino." https://hackaday.com/2021/10/12/the-beauty-of-dance-seen-through-the-power-of-touch/
[02:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Beauty Of Dance, Seen Through The Power Of Touch | Hackaday
[02:47]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: the hardware may be "open"
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR2	i.e. some code dump on shithub
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR2	but the hardware is now
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR2	*not
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR2	so it is borderline openwashing
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR2	like saying "shim" is open
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR2	not free
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR2	and what it does is, that gives Microsoft's proprietary back end control over you
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR2	via 'your' computer
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR2	so we need to be careful with the terms
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR2	system is also shithub code dump
[02:49]	schestowitz-TR2	of IBM mostly
[02:49]	schestowitz-TR2	*systemd
[02:49]	DaemonFC	It's possible to understand what it does, but it's far too large.
[02:49]	DaemonFC	The whole point is it's large and lots of things need it.
[02:49]	schestowitz-TR2	we have code dumps also
[02:49]	DaemonFC	Then they can keep it really buggy and sell "support" and "training".
[02:50]	schestowitz	gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/Desktop-Utils/
[02:50]	schestowitz	I am probably the only user of these tools
[02:50]	schestowitz	so they're messy
[02:50]	schestowitz	no incentive yet to tidy those up
[02:50]	DaemonFC	20 million lines of code in systemd.
[02:50]	schestowitz-TR2	I think it's 2 million
[02:50]	DaemonFC	It still hangs on reboot like it has on all of my systems since it first came out.
[02:51]	DaemonFC	Not all the time. Not a lot. Just enough to be aggravating when it does.
[02:51]	DaemonFC	Then you have to hammer ctrl-alt-delete.
[02:57]	DaemonFC	"Lennart Poettering continues being the most prolific contributor to systemd with more than 32% of the commits so far this year."
[02:57]	DaemonFC	LOL
[02:59]	schestowitz-TR2	not sure why, the latest videos page in gemini shows an empty list, I reran the bash script and now it's OK. Maybe the site timed out earlier. Maybe the perl version is used now instead? crontab shows bash.
● Oct 13
[03:00]	Techrights-sec	ok will check the script
[03:02]	techrights-news	Aggressive men tarnish the image of #Switzerland as a soft nation of peace; details tomorrow http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-rambos/ #Techrights #EPO #patents #ch | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-rambos/
[03:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] Swiss Rumbustious Alpha-Rambos | Techrights
[03:02]	schestowitz	Switzerlands media (whats left of it) is currently looking into new scandals associated with #ChristianBock , who back in 2013 helped back the EPOs illegal anti-strike regulations Unqualified Managers and Demoralising Leadership in Switzerland (Like in EPO) http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/switzerland-christian-bock/ #Techrights #EPO #patents #ch
[03:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Unqualified Managers and Demoralising Leadership in Switzerland (Like in EPO) | Techrights
[03:03]	techrights-news	What are people being taught about so-called security? Might that explain so many #security breaches? (Poor training, wrong assumptions) http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/citation-fake-security/ #Techrights #Citation #FakeSecurity #SecurityTheatre | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/citation-fake-security/
[03:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Citation/Atlas Security Exam is a Total Farce, But Its Still Good for Entertainment Purposes | Techrights
[03:04]	techrights-news	Ryan F: "I recently tried out Debian 11 with #KDE on my #Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2 laptop." http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/kubuntu-21-10-vs-debian-11/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/kubuntu-21-10-vs-debian-11/
[03:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Tale of Two KDE Distributions: Kubuntu 21.10 and Debian 11 GNU/Linux | Techrights
[03:05]	techrights-news	An enabler of #BenotBattistelli , who illegally brought #firearms to the #EPO , very recently had a firearms-related scandal in his home country http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-christian-bock/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-christian-bock/
[03:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part X: Introducing the Controversial Christian Bock | Techrights
[03:07]	Techrights-sec	The shell script is a wrapper that calls wget and the perl script, so it is
[03:07]	Techrights-sec	the one that should get run.  However, there is a weakness in regards to
[03:07]	Techrights-sec	timeouts.  
[03:07]	Techrights-sec	I've added more delay between retries, that should help should a timeout
[03:07]	Techrights-sec	occur again.
[03:07]	Techrights-sec	mjg and his felow paid trolls whining again.  nothing to see there. nothing new
[03:10]	techrights-news	"Fires this year have burned hundreds of giant sequoia trees. That would be around .1% to .2% of the total. Given their life spans, this many per year, continued in the long term, can easily wipe them out. Along with hundreds of other species." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#12_October_2021_%28Giant_sequoia_trees%29
[03:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman
[03:12]	techrights-news	#google updates its largest #malware https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/10/12/google-releases-security-updates-chrome
[03:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISA
[03:15]	techrights-ipfs-bot	 Gemini requests since start of month:  174808 total Total pages: 37706    Active: active (running) since Sun 2021-10-10 09:33:45 BST; 2 days ago
[03:15]	techrights-ipfs-bot	 IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated.  TotalIn: 6.0 GB    TotalOut: 2.7 GB
[03:15]	techrights-ipfs-bot	 New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID 
[03:16]	techrights-news	New: "In this video, we are looking at how to install #Audacity on Linux Lite 5.4." Not just #linuxlite https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hI_kuIN9Pqc
[03:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | How to install Audacity on Linux Lite 5.4 - Invidious
[03:17]	techrights-news	#HowTo listen to podcasts on the #GNU #Linux desktop with #CPod https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/podcasts-linux-cpod/
[03:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | How to listen to podcasts on the Linux desktop with CPod
[03:18]	techrights-news	Your latest and greatest #NSA back doors are ready for (IMPOSED) download. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/10/12/microsoft-releases-october-2021-security-updates #microsoft #windows http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA
[03:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Microsoft Releases October 2021 Security Updates | CISA
[03:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights
[03:19]	AdmFubar	HA! You think people that buy into NFT's are getting taken..   https://www.protocol.com/china/virtual-idols-metaverse-china
[03:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Virtual idols are a hot commodity in China - Protocol The people, power and politics of tech
[03:19]	techrights-news	#slashdot runs overtime shilling #windows #vista Service Pack '11', even in the "LINUX" section. #wsl2 is dead, but Microsoft milks it for googlebombing the competition http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/
[03:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | Techrights
[03:19]	schestowitz-TR2	AdmFubar: people got desperate
[03:19]	schestowitz-TR2	now living up fantasies
[03:19]	schestowitz-TR2	"i'm a bitcoin billionaire"
[03:20]	schestowitz-TR2	"I'm the forgotten king of korea"
[03:20]	techrights-ipfs-bot	Qmf9EcBFemckbJcR5iWC3PVGJxQ5xe3ZqCGKzz681rKMmD
[03:20]		*activelow just caught up with the backlog of last night
[03:21]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.83   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.93 swarm size (avg): 260.90  
[03:21]	activelow	here is my argument, concerning "choice", and desktop environments: often it is *fake* choice, most of them providen the *same* with some wallpaper and icons changed
[03:21]	techrights-news	Everyone shilling #wsl2 right now is in fact either paid by #microsoft or a 'useful idiot' pushing #vista11 PR, not realising it's practically an ATTACK on #gnu linux
[03:21]	activelow	which is both, a waste of precious development time and efforts, confusing users, and benefts noone
[03:22]	activelow	even worse, almost all modern desktop environments are poisoned with specific extensions (such as, systemd), and no choice remaining with any of them
[03:23]	techrights-news	Help Us Find the Apps That Sell Your Location https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/10/07/help-us-find-the-apps-that-sell-your-location #Privacy #Surveillance
[03:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-themarkup.org | Help Us Find the Apps That Sell Your Location The Markup
[03:23]	techrights-news	#FreeSoftware Is Even More Important Now https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html #Privacy #Surveillance #RMS
[03:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | Free Software Is Even More Important Now - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
[03:25]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: not all
[03:25]	schestowitz-TR2	the main ones
[03:25]	schestowitz-TR2	notably gnome/ibm
[03:26]	activelow	by coincidence i reviewed many, to verify which of them do NOT rely on systemd/dbus
[03:27]	techrights-news	"CoC-compliant" = big business-friendly. Monopolies-friendly, too. Yes, criticising companies that literally helped Hitler and profited from Hitler is in itself an abuse. Must defend Hitler's companies fend off critics... #censorship #fakeCommunities
[03:27]	activelow	and gnome/mate/xfce isn't any choice to be made, same with kde, and most web browsers
[03:27]	techrights-news	todays hoiwtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156712 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[03:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's hoiwtos | Tux Machines
[03:28]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: same for pulseaudio
[03:28]	schestowitz-TR2	at least firefucks
[03:29]	techrights-news	#gnu #taler and del banco central (Central Bank Digital Currency -- CBDC). https://taler.net/en/news/2021-10.html
[03:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-taler.net | GNU Taler
[03:29]	activelow	openbox, i3, fvwm ... those are relatively clean, even lxde builds required some patches and fiddling together some pieces otherwise it was on the hitlist too
[03:30]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, I'm thinking about picking up a ThinkCentre Chromebox.
[03:30]	activelow	and this covers 99% of desktop environment deployments common with gnu/linux nowadays, 99% of fake-choices made
[03:30]	DaemonFC	It's an older one. A 2016 Celeron 3205U with 4 GB of RAM.
[03:30]	DaemonFC	But it should work fine once I wipe Chrome OS off of it and install GalliumOS.
[03:32]	techrights-news	#IBM burning money on PR stunts while laying off a lot of its staff https://hackaday.com/2021/10/11/ibm-attempts-an-uncrewed-atlantic-crossing-again/
[03:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM Attempts An Uncrewed Atlantic Crossing (Again) | Hackaday
[03:33]	techrights-news	"The sad thing is that a university's defending the freedom to state ones' opinions in a university should constitute news." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#12_October_2021_%28Academic_freedoms%29
[03:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman
[03:35]	techrights-news	#Facebook Banned Me for Life Because I Help People Use It Less https://slate.com/technology/2021/10/facebook-unfollow-everything-cease-desist.html #fb #surveillance #addiction
[03:35]	altlink_420	 Cloudflare: slate.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://slate.com/technology/2021/10/facebook-unfollow-everything-cease-desist.html
[03:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slate.com | Facebook banned me for life because I created the tool Unfollow Everything.
[03:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Facebook banned me for life because I created the tool Unfollow Everything.
[03:37]	techrights-news	The only way to access #twitter (except through non-JS proxies/gateways) WITHOUT being bombarded by Twitter's unhealthy propaganda is to make browser windows very narrow. I'm not sure about "apps"; never used those... either way, VERY TOXIC site. And it's by design.
[03:38]	techrights-news	#adobe #ProprietarySoftware = #security dumpster fire https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/10/12/adobe-releases-security-updates-multiple-products
[03:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Adobe Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA
[03:39]	techrights-news	#apple "vulnerability to take control of an affected system. This vulnerability has been detected in exploits in the wild." So they could no longer sweep this 'bug door' under a rug. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/10/12/apple-releases-security-update-address-cve-2021-30883
[03:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Apple Releases Security Update to Address CVE-2021-30883 | CISA
[03:40]	techrights-news	#Lithographs from M. E. Descourtilzs *Atlas des Champignons* (1827) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/atlas-des-champignons #publicdomainreview #publicdomain
[03:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicdomainreview.org | Lithographs from M. E. Descourtilzs *Atlas des Champignons* (1827) The Public Domain Review
[03:42]	techrights-news	Job ad (one person) as 'article' https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Red-Hat-New-2021-GPU-Developer
[03:42]	altlink_420	 Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Red-Hat-New-2021-GPU-Developer
[03:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat Is Hiring Another Linux Developer To Work On GPU Hardware Enablement - Phoronix
[03:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Red Hat Is Hiring Another Linux Developer To Work On GPU Hardware Enablement - Phoronix
[03:42]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: ^^
[03:42]	schestowitz-TR2	must be slow news
[03:42]	schestowitz-TR2	or someone's being rewarded
[03:44]	techrights-news	Donation campaign: "Framasoft, its also" https://www.davidrevoy.com/article873/donation-campaign-framasoft-its-also
[03:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidrevoy.com | Donation campaign: "Framasoft, its also" - David Revoy
[03:45]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, These people have no idea what they're selling.
[03:45]	techrights-news	Fork off, Ars Technica. Stop spamming "LINUX" with the #microsoft #googlebombing campaign. Didn't your main #microsoft operative got arrested for raping children? Oh, yes he did. http://techrights.org/2019/06/07/microsoft-peter-is-a-pedophile/
[03:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Peter is a Pedophile, Arrested Without Bail | Techrights
[03:45]	DaemonFC	If they did, it could probably fetch more.
[03:46]	DaemonFC	$10-20 gets you all that and it can run a current distribution with XFCE.
[03:46]	DaemonFC	That's cheaper than some of these non-x86 hobbyist systems.
[03:46]	schestowitz-TR2	SBCs are cheap
[03:46]	schestowitz-TR2	but there are shortages now
[03:46]	schestowitz-TR2	so they say...
[03:46]	schestowitz-TR2	I did not try to order...
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR2	shortages = good
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR2	for the planet
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR2	not so good for poor people
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR2	as the prices go up
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR2	demand/supply economics
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe next year news will be so slow..
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR2	that phoronix will cover Red Hat hires
[03:47]	DaemonFC	This laptop was pretty cheap considering all it has in it.
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR2	not job openings
[03:48]	schestowitz-TR2	like those patent "blogs"
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Intel has taken some rather big hits.
[03:48]	activelow	a typical intel box requires ~10x the amount of electricity of what is necessary, often
[03:48]	schestowitz-TR2	where the news is, person x (low level) changes employer
[03:48]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: true also
[03:48]	schestowitz-TR2	ime, 5-10 times more
[03:48]	DaemonFC	You can improve Intel power consumption with powertop --auto-tune as a service.
[03:48]	schestowitz-TR2	not including GPU
[03:49]	DaemonFC	Linux ships with most of the power management turned off, including on my Yoga 900 ISK2 from 2016.
[03:49]	activelow	not really, a cortex a53 quadcore can operate at ~5W, an intel box is ~50W-100W
[03:49]	activelow	or more
[03:50]	DaemonFC	Mine usually idles at about 2.5 watts if the screen is at the lowest brightness and there's no programs except GNOME running.
[03:50]	DaemonFC	That's the new one.
[03:50]	activelow	which one exactly?
[03:50]	DaemonFC	The older one uses about 3-4 watts under those circumstances.
[03:50]	schestowitz-TR2	sounds wrong
[03:50]	schestowitz-TR2	the screen alone takes more
[03:50]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: what are you actually measuring there?
[03:51]		*gde33 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[03:51]	DaemonFC	Battery discharge report.
[03:51]	schestowitz-TR2	the screen does not run at 2.5 watts
[03:51]	DaemonFC	Modern Intel systems have a way to turn off the link to the display when it has nothing to paint at the moment.
[03:52]	activelow	i was only referring to the main system, without peripherals attached
[03:52]	DaemonFC	It's called panel self-refresh.
[03:52]	schestowitz-TR2	the backlight is still there
[03:52]	DaemonFC	The most this thing can possibly draw is 25 watts for the CPU package.
[03:53]	schestowitz-TR2	flashlights take more
[03:53]	DaemonFC	And it's a quad core CPU with hyperthreading.
[03:53]	DaemonFC	And the package also has WiFi, Bluetooth, and the graphics chip.
[03:53]	DaemonFC	As well as the display and SATA controller.
[03:53]	schestowitz-TR2	and that scales down to 2.5 INCLUDING monitor?
[03:53]	schestowitz-TR2	makes no sense
[03:53]	schestowitz-TR2	and wifi also
[03:54]	DaemonFC	If you have the monitor on the lowest power setting, it can.
[03:54]	schestowitz-TR2	a tuner can take up more
[03:54]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: maybe it tells you that
[03:54]	schestowitz-TR2	but that sounds bogus
[03:54]	DaemonFC	It's more common to see it at around 4-6 watts though.
[03:54]	DaemonFC	Maybe 10-12 watts if I'm browsing with Vivaldi.
[03:54]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptop#Central_processing_unit
[03:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Laptop - Wikipedia
[03:55]	activelow	i did measure it with various equipment, long story short intel/amd reach power-comsumtion at the scale of up to 100x higher power draw in comparison to an ARM SBC
[03:55]	schestowitz	"he fastest laptop processors top out at 56 watts of heat, while the fastest desktop processors top out at 150 watts."
[03:55]	schestowitz	nowhere near what you said
[03:55]	DaemonFC	It's not that different.
[03:55]	DaemonFC	When you measure performance per watt.
[03:55]	DaemonFC	Even the best ARM smartphones are only about as fast as a mid-range laptop from 10 years ago.
[03:56]	schestowitz	"The OLPC XO-3 can operate with 2 watts of electricity because its renewable energy resources generate a total of 4 watts.[52][53] Samsung has also designed the NC215S solarpowered notebook that will be sold commercially in the U.S. market"
[03:56]	schestowitz	So your modern lenovo is same as OLPC?
[03:57]	activelow	anyway, the trick is to tailor the software to unleash the full potential at 1% of typical power draw
[03:57]	schestowitz-TR2	iirc, that used marvewll chips
[03:57]	activelow	because, it isn't that challenging to turn of all light bulbs and do nothing anymore at all
[03:57]	activelow	which it seems "greens" in germany are heading towards with their plans
[03:57]	activelow	sorry, no politics
[03:58]	DaemonFC	It's not too bad, actually. Real world usage is about 5-7 hours on a 44 Wh battery.
[03:58]	DaemonFC	Lenovo actually kind of screwed me.
[03:58]	DaemonFC	If this thing was toting the battery pack of the Yoga 900, it would run for over 13 hours.
[03:58]	techrights-news	Apache OpenOffice users should upgrade to newest security release! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156539#comment-31349
[03:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Release of OpenOffice and News from LibreOffice (Conference and QA/Dev Report) | Tux Machines
[03:58]	activelow	anyway, that's why the gentoo distcc cluster here is impressive, because it covers a use case which typical intel/amd systems require up to 100x the amount of electricity often
[03:59]	activelow	to maintain a distribution full from source
[03:59]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, The battery life is much less impressive on Windows than with Linux plus powertop --auto-tune.
[03:59]	DaemonFC	I suspect, if anything, newer kernels might do a little better than the one included with Debian 11.
● Oct 13
[04:00]	schestowitz-TR2	I think you quote wrong reports
[04:00]	schestowitz-TR2	it reports something
[04:00]	schestowitz-TR2	but not total usage 
[04:00]	DaemonFC	Windows is such a drag that even running Vivaldi on that feels "slow".
[04:00]	DaemonFC	On a high end laptop!
[04:00]	schestowitz-TR2	yes, makes sense
[04:00]	schestowitz-TR2	Windows
[04:00]	DaemonFC	It's extremely fast on GNU/Linux.
[04:01]	schestowitz	"Fat operating systems spend most of their energy supporting their own fat." Nicholas Negroponte, MIT Media Lab, rediff.com, Apr 2006
[04:01]	schestowitz	the OLPC mastermind
[04:01]	schestowitz	eventually tortured into putting XP on those
[04:01]	schestowitz	and then it died
[04:01]	DaemonFC	Windows XP. LOL
[04:01]	schestowitz-TR2	yeah
[04:01]	DaemonFC	"It's for the children."
[04:01]	schestowitz-TR2	cautionary tale for raspi
[04:01]	schestowitz-TR2	or Nokia
[04:02]	schestowitz-TR2	tried to put 'windows'... on Nokia phones
[04:02]	schestowitz-TR2	which used to have WEEKS-only battery life
[04:02]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: it is
[04:02]	schestowitz-TR2	to keep the monopoly of Bill
[04:02]	schestowitz-TR2	so he can hang out with Epstein more often
[04:02]	schestowitz-TR2	"for the children"
[04:02]	schestowitz-TR2	BTW,
[04:03]	schestowitz-TR2	Verge worked on an article about this
[04:03]	schestowitz-TR2	how Gates Foundation derailed OLPC
[04:03]	schestowitz-TR2	Then the writer got fired 
[04:03]	schestowitz-TR2	he was hanging out here in IRC
[04:03]	schestowitz-TR2	Then Gates paid The Verge
[04:03]	schestowitz-TR2	and was sacked
[04:03]	schestowitz-TR2	(the writer)
[04:03]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/07/16/gates-press-sunset/
[04:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part VI: Sunsetting for Now | Techrights
[04:03]	DaemonFC	I remember Fedora (well before IBM) sponsoring Sugar on a Stick as the GUI for those things.
[04:04]	DaemonFC	Windows XP looked hideous on a PC.
[04:04]	DaemonFC	I can only imagine it on an XO.
[04:04]	schestowitz	Fisher Price GUI
[04:04]	schestowitz	back then all games were Windows
[04:04]	schestowitz	at least AAA ones
[04:05]	activelow	think about it, even a Z80 (low power consumption and it is a 40year old design) can be used for mathematics, computer algebra, programming
[04:05]	activelow	or mos6502, not that i am accused of advertising anything specific
[04:05]	techrights-news	#Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, October 12, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives
[04:05]	techrights-news	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:06]	techrights-news	#GNOME: Platform Design Goings On http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156713 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[04:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME: Platform Design Goings On | Tux Machines
[04:06]	activelow	whatever "poor children" are supposed to be doing with a computer
[04:07]	DaemonFC	There's chips like that in a scientific calculator I saw for $1 at Dollar Tree the other day.
[04:07]	DaemonFC	I looked at it and I was like "Wow. That is $1.".
[04:07]	techrights-news	#Security Patches http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156714 #TuxMachines
[04:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Patches | Tux Machines
[04:07]	DaemonFC	They're selling it in the wrong neighborhood though.
[04:07]	DaemonFC	Most of the people who shop there would struggle and burn out their brains trying to use it in basic math.
[04:08]	activelow	remembering the computer i had as a teenager, which was a piece of win311 crap, i mean even a 32bit arm clocked at 400MHz or something with 256MiB of RAM had been a dream come true
[04:08]	DaemonFC	I think it says everything that people who mix coffee powder with water at Dunkin' Donuts say they're Communists because $17 an hour isn't enough.
[04:09]	DaemonFC	Meanwhile, they obviously have no idea what goes on or what would happen to them if they lived in a Communist country.
[04:09]	techrights-news	 [Old] #Vidarholen # Useless Use Of dd https://www.vidarholen.net/contents/blog/?p=479
[04:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vidarholen.net | Useless Use Of dd Vidar's Blog
[04:10]	activelow	problem with any slower than i am using now for gentoo based workflow to maintain 100% from source is
[04:10]	techrights-news	 NEWS #ZondaMedia #freesw 7 Open-Source Software Options for Architects https://www.architectmagazine.com/technology/7-open-source-software-options-for-architects_o
[04:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.architectmagazine.com | 7 Open-Source Software Options for Architects | Architect Magazine
[04:10]	activelow	any slower system didn't suffice anymore to compile the sofwtare, otherwise even a 400Mhz single core with 256MiB RAM would make me happy
[04:10]	techrights-news	 NEWS #IndiaTimes #Programming What can enterprises do about soaring technical debts? https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/case-studies/what-can-enterprises-do-about-soaring-technical-debts/86857788
[04:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | What can enterprises do about soaring technical debts?, IT News, ET CIO
[04:11]	activelow	and, if software was tailored and bloatware removed, then even a 400MHz single core would suffice for a source-based workflow
[04:11]	schestowitz-TR2	too bloated
[04:11]	schestowitz-TR2	many symbols
[04:11]	schestowitz-TR2	ram, cpu...
[04:11]	activelow	not possible anymore, i know
[04:12]	schestowitz-TR2	a browser for interlinked pages should be like a minute to compile
[04:12]	schestowitz-TR2	on an old machine
[04:12]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CoRecursive #Programming #Apple II Programming: From A Cabin In The Woods https://corecursive.com/remote-developer/
[04:12]	altlink_420	 Cloudflare: corecursive.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://corecursive.com/remote-developer/
[04:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple II Programming From A Cabin In The Woods - CoRecursive Podcast
[04:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Apple II Programming From A Cabin In The Woods - CoRecursive Podcast
[04:12]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu
[04:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Project Xanadu - Wikipedia
[04:12]	techrights-news	 NEWS #LarsWirzenius #Programming Tilde expansion in #RustLang https://blog.liw.fi/posts/2021/10/12/tilde-expansion-crates/
[04:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.liw.fi | Tilde expansion in Rust
[04:14]	techrights-news	techrights-news NEWS #IndiaTimes #Programming What can enterprises do about soaring technical debts? https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/case-studies/what-can-enterprises-do-about-soaring-technical-debts/86857788
[04:14]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheHill Slain reporter's father calls for action against #Facebook over video of daughter's death https://thehill.com/policy/technology/576361-slain-reporters-father-calls-for-action-against-facebook-over-video-of-daughters-death
[04:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Slain reporter's father calls for action against Facebook over video of daughter's death | TheHill
[04:15]	DaemonFC	Even in the late 90s there was a lot wrong with the web.
[04:15]	techrights-news	 NEWS #SANS Things that go "Bump" in the Night: Non HTTP Requests Hitting Web Servers https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/27924
[04:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog
[04:15]	DaemonFC	It barely loads any faster now on broadband than it did then on dial up, especially without an ad blocker.
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[04:15]	DaemonFC	Because they keep packing more shit into each page.
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[04:15]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: true
[04:15]	activelow	very true
[04:15]	schestowitz-TR2	if you load up 1990s pages, sub-second load times
[04:16]	schestowitz-TR2	and clicks are instantly pleasing
[04:16]	schestowitz-TR2	it just comes up the moment you click it
[04:16]	schestowitz-TR2	depending on network letancy
[04:16]	schestowitz-TR2	latency
[04:16]	schestowitz-TR2	with static pages
[04:16]	schestowitz-TR2	it's like a GUI
[04:16]	schestowitz-TR2	local
[04:17]	DaemonFC	Mandy's updating his hypePhone to SpywareOS 15.
[04:17]	schestowitz-TR2	'his'
[04:17]	schestowitz-TR2	apple's
[04:18]	schestowitz-TR2	people think they own what they pay for
[04:18]	schestowitz-TR2	it's like car rental
[04:18]	schestowitz-TR2	you sort of 'own' it
[04:18]	schestowitz-TR2	temporarily
[04:18]	schestowitz-TR2	apple cracks down on repair stores
[04:19]	schestowitz-TR2	so to service the thing you need to ask apple nicely
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[04:19]	schestowitz-TR2	like with john deere tractors
[04:19]	schestowitz-TR2	"Windows 7 was my idea"
[04:19]	schestowitz-TR2	NSA" Windows 7 was our back doors"
[04:20]	schestowitz-TR2	back then the NSA advertised it as a submarine thing
[04:20]	schestowitz-TR2	before MSM came to admit only something such as GNU/Linux made sense for everything
[04:20]	schestowitz-TR2	they didn't say GNU
[04:21]	schestowitz-TR2	and then, in those days, Windows was still put in some critical systems
[04:21]	schestowitz-TR2	those are the ones you read about in the news getting brached
[04:21]	schestowitz-TR2	"ransom attacks"
[04:21]	schestowitz-TR2	They blame not Windows
[04:21]	schestowitz-TR2	just Russia
[04:21]	schestowitz-TR2	or China
[04:21]	schestowitz-TR2	alternately
[04:21]	activelow	i had noticed yes, german publicly funded TV does it
[04:22]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, Falkon whitelists DuckDuckGo's ads and trackers.
[04:22]	schestowitz-TR2	they blame the exploiter
[04:22]	schestowitz-TR2	you leave the door open
[04:22]	activelow	it is *always* "the russians" or "the chinese" or "criminals"
[04:22]	schestowitz-TR2	then you blame the person walking in
[04:22]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: where do these go?
[04:22]	schestowitz-TR2	do you use DDG?
[04:23]	schestowitz-TR2	iirc, at one stage falkon was trying to foist that scam
[04:23]	DaemonFC	It's the default in the package available in Kubuntu 21.10.
[04:23]	DaemonFC	So presumably Debian Sid.
[04:23]	techrights-news	Video/Audio: CLI, Firefox Keylogging, and Full Circle Weekly http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156715 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[04:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Video/Audio: CLI, Firefox Keylogging, and Full Circle Weekly | Tux Machines
[04:24]	DaemonFC	Ubuntu mostly copies a snapshot of Sid (for their normal releases) or Testing (for LTS) and then "stabilizes" it.
[04:24]	DaemonFC	They've gotten far more out of Debian than they've ever sent back upstream.
[04:27]	DaemonFC	I think that in many cases, Ubuntu doesn't seem to have the slightest idea of what they're doing.
[04:27]	DaemonFC	They hire people to write software that dead ends.
[04:27]	techrights-news	iophk: with Windows, an attack is equated with a successful breach https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/cyber-security-subsite/files/ransomware-action-plan.pdf see http://techrights.org/2021/10/01/microsoft-azure-is-a-security-breach/
[04:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | With Microsoft, Security Breaches Are Presumed | Techrights
[04:28]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR2> DaemonFC: where do these go?
[04:28]	DaemonFC	DDG has several disturbing "features" in the background.
[04:28]	techrights-news	iophk: too much #wsl spam http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/
[04:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | Techrights
[04:28]	schestowitz	x https://www.clarepeople.com/7631-libreoffice-and-openoffice-failure-allows-changing-digital-signatures/
[04:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.clarepeople.com | LibreOffice and OpenOffice failure allows changing digital signatures The Clare People
[04:29]	DaemonFC	One is appending a GUID to some of the links you click on, although the AdGuard URL Tracking Prevention List for ublock-origin can strip those back out.
[04:29]	DaemonFC	Before the site sees them.
[04:29]	DaemonFC	Along with many others, including Facebook's.
[04:29]	DaemonFC	Another is a tracking script they use (maybe internally) called improving duckduckgo.
[04:30]	DaemonFC	I think that one is blocked in EasyPrivacy.
[04:30]	techrights-news	 NEWS #ThreatPost #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #Office360 Spy Campaign Targets US Military Defense https://threatpost.com/military-defense-spy-campaign/175425/
[04:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Office 365 Spy Campaign Targets US Military Defense | Threatpost
[04:30]	techrights-news	#Microsoft #Windows TCO: #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware Govt to force businesses with $10m annual turnover to report ransomware attacks https://itwire.com/security/govt-to-force-businesses-with-$10m-annual-turnover-to-report-ransomware-attacks.html
[04:30]	altlink_420	 Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/security/govt-to-force-businesses-with-$10m-annual-turnover-to-report-ransomware-attacks.html
[04:30]	DaemonFC	But Falkon doesn't have EasyPrivacy by default and whitelists it in case you add it.
[04:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Govt to force businesses with $10m annual turnover to report ransomware attacks
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[04:30]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: glad you at least try falkon
[04:30]	schestowitz-TR2	I almost never see ads in it
[04:30]	schestowitz-TR2	almost forgot they even exist
[04:31]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Gizmodo #Privacy #Surveillance Researchers Find #Android Phones Still Track You, Even When You Opt Out https://gizmodo.com/researchers-find-android-phones-still-track-you-even-w-1847849141
[04:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Android Phones Still Track You, Even When You Opt Out
[04:31]	techrights-news	 NEWS #BruceSchneier #Privacy #Surveillance The European Parliament Voted to Ban Remote #Biometric Surveillance https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/10/the-european-parliament-voted-to-ban-remote-biometric-surveillance.html
[04:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The European Parliament Voted to Ban Remote Biometric Surveillance - Schneier on Security
[04:32]	DaemonFC	EasyPrivacy is worth adding.
[04:32]	techrights-news	 NEWS #PatrickBreyer #Privacy #Surveillance #Cybersecurity [sic]: #EU To Ban Anonymous Websites https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/cybersecurity-eu-to-ban-anonymous-websites/
[04:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patrick-breyer.de | Cybersecurity: EU to ban anonymous websites Patrick Breyer
[04:32]	DaemonFC	It's obviously broadly compatible with ABP-syntax since it's meant for ABP.
[04:32]	DaemonFC	ublock-origin is nicer than most ad blockers, because it has its own extensions and rule sets.
[04:33]	techrights-news	CAN communication on the #RaspberryPI with #SocketCAN https://www.pragmaticlinux.com/2021/10/can-communication-on-the-raspberry-pi-with-socketcan/
[04:33]	altlink_420	 Cloudflare: pragmaticlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pragmaticlinux.com/2021/10/can-communication-on-the-raspberry-pi-with-socketcan/
[04:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CAN communication on the Raspberry PI with SocketCAN - PragmaticLinux
[04:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20211013033354/https://www.pragmaticlinux.com/2021/10/can-communication-on-the-raspberry-pi-with-socketcan/ )
[04:34]	techrights-news	#modi mimicking #talban https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/world/asia/modi-india-antiterror-law.html "statute that critics say is aimed at silencing dissent."
[04:34]	altlink_420	 Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/world/asia/modi-india-antiterror-law.html
[04:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Narendra Modi's Use of Antiterror Law Draws Scrutiny From Courts - The New York Times
[04:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Narendra Modi's Use of Antiterror Law Draws Scrutiny From Courts - The New York Times
[04:36]	techrights-news	#SparkyLinux 2021.10 is out. Site not updated yet. https://sparkylinux.org/ #poland #gnu #linux #debian
[04:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | SparkyLinux
[04:37]	techrights-news	#microsoft #propaganda outlet #bleepingcomputer speaking FUD about #LibreOffice and #OpenOffice right now. It should instead focus on Microsoft's back doors
[04:37]	DaemonFC	comp.os.linux.advocacy really went to shit.
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[04:39]	DaemonFC	Four pages of "I hate Joe Biden." posts.
[04:39]	DaemonFC	And counting.
[04:39]	schestowitz-TR2	forgetmenot: hi
[04:39]	forgetmenot	hi
[04:40]	forgetmenot	https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459
[04:40]		-altlink_cba/#techrights- Cloudflare: ietf.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459
[04:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-datatracker.ietf.org | rfc1459
[04:40]	techrights-news	Top 6 open-source Self-hosted Bookmark Manager Solution http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156716 #freesw #Linux #TuxMachines
[04:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 6 open-source Self-hosted Bookmark Manager Solution | Tux Machines
[04:40]	forgetmenot	^ was said by NOTICE but it made no difference
[04:41]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, I think I may have figured out what was the problem with Wireguard.
[04:41]	DaemonFC	The MTU for the Nordlynx adapter is set at 1420, but my wifi adapter is at 1500.
[04:41]	schestowitz-TR2	forgetmenot: I see...
[04:41]	DaemonFC	When I use OpenVPN, the tun0 is MTU 1500.
[04:41]	forgetmenot	(still reading logs to know who suggested it)
[04:42]	DaemonFC	How do I make the setting of 1420 for wifi persistent across reboots?
[04:42]	DaemonFC	I tried a dozen times and the documentation must have been stale. Probably system duh doy changing everything 10 times since like 2017.
[04:44]	schestowitz-TR2	forgetmenot: notices work with the title expansion bot
[04:44]	schestowitz-TR2	which uses php
[04:45]	forgetmenot	MinceR: thanks for the suggestion, he probably didn't noticed your suggestion so I replaced PRIVMSG to NOTICE for you ;)
[04:45]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Eudaimonia #Environment Why Everything is Suddenly Getting More Expensive And Why It Wont Stop https://eand.co/why-everything-is-suddenly-getting-more-expensive-and-why-it-wont-stop-cbf5a091f403?gi=41d77b3db5eb "The chip shortage is something that the world doesnt really grasp yet"
[04:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eand.co | Why Everything is Suddenly Getting More Expensive And Why It Wont Stop | by umair haque | Oct, 2021 | Eudaimonia and Co
[04:46]	techrights-news	 NEWS #RTL #Environment When global warming stops, seas will still rise https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1800768.html
[04:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-today.rtl.lu | RTL Today - For centuries to come: When global warming stops, seas will still rise
[04:46]	forgetmenot	by the way
[04:46]	forgetmenot	there are way too many CF site nowadays
[04:46]	forgetmenot	Mastodon Altlink has impressive CF%
[04:47]	activelow	DaemonFC: /etc/sysctl.conf
[04:49]	schestowitz-TR2	forgetmenot: many instances of 'free' social control media use clownflare
[04:49]	schestowitz-TR2	even some nitter instances
[04:49]	schestowitz-TR2	invidious
[04:49]	forgetmenot	yeah
[04:49]	schestowitz-TR2	so you dodge one evil
[04:49]	schestowitz-TR2	then get another
[04:49]	forgetmenot	and those are listed in https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/subfiles
[04:49]	schestowitz-TR2	clownflare fronting for 'freedom' sites
[04:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea
[04:49]	schestowitz-TR2	case of point: https://nitter.eu/search?f=tweets&q=techrights.org&since=2021-10-13&near=
[04:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | nitter
[04:49]	schestowitz-TR2	https://nitter.eu/search?f=tweets&q=techrights&since=2021-10-13&near=
[04:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | nitter
[04:50]	schestowitz-TR2	there's a bunch of them among nitter instances that use clownflare
[04:50]	schestowitz-TR2	I got rid of them all
[04:50]	forgetmenot	Good job! not all ppl block CF.
[04:51]	forgetmenot	I use DNS service instead: https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/subfiles/service.publicdns.md
[04:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - subfiles/service.publicdns.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea
[04:51]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe we'll do a video about decloudflare
[04:52]	schestowitz-TR2	but I need to study the project first
[04:52]	forgetmenot	please do. There are too many pro-Cloudflare vids on youtube
[04:52]	schestowitz-TR2	the unspoken-of giantw
[04:52]	schestowitz-TR2	who funds clownflare
[04:52]	schestowitz-TR2	surely not just shareholders
[04:52]	schestowitz-TR2	they don't have a suitable business mode
[04:52]	schestowitz-TR2	being a CDN is not a libre thing
[04:53]	schestowitz-TR2	they can stuff ads later
[04:53]	schestowitz-TR2	or sell usage data
[04:53]	schestowitz-TR2	they probably already do that
[04:53]	forgetmenot	agreed.
[04:53]	forgetmenot	here's daily/hourly lists of voices (anti-cf): https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/PEOPLE.md  (Twitter/Mastodon are hourly update)
[04:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - PEOPLE.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea
[04:54]	schestowitz-TR2	ages ago clownflare staff blocked me in twitter
[04:54]	schestowitz-TR2	because I said they were problematic
[04:54]	schestowitz-TR2	blocking tor etc.
[04:54]	schestowitz-TR2	their response was, block this guy
[04:54]	forgetmenot	Isn't Twitter anti-tor already?
[04:54]	schestowitz-TR2	only one of them actually tried to respond to me
[04:54]	schestowitz-TR2	so they're instructed not to listen to critics
[04:54]	schestowitz-TR2	their founder of cofounder is dead
[04:54]	schestowitz-TR2	*or
[04:55]	schestowitz-TR2	twitter is anti-everything
[04:55]	schestowitz-TR2	clounflare still pretends
[04:55]	schestowitz-TR2	using court battles
[04:55]	schestowitz-TR2	over copyright sites
[04:55]	schestowitz-TR2	and patent trolls
[04:55]	schestowitz-TR2	until daily stormer
[04:55]	schestowitz-TR2	and then the mask started to slip
[04:55]	forgetmenot	the judge sided with Cloudflare in recent court iirc
[04:55]	schestowitz-TR2	since then they've wuit the pretence
[04:55]	schestowitz-TR2	yes, I saw that
[04:55]	schestowitz-TR2	TF covered it
[04:56]	schestowitz-TR2	iirc, TF uses clownflare
[04:56]	forgetmenot	yeah lol
[04:56]	schestowitz-TR2	idiots
[04:56]	forgetmenot	many news sites are CF nowadays
[04:56]	schestowitz-TR2	evenmainstream ones
[04:56]	schestowitz-TR2	even bexos sites
[04:56]	schestowitz-TR2	like washpo
[04:56]	schestowitz-TR2	aws no good
[04:56]	schestowitz-TR2	cdn of competitor
[04:56]	schestowitz-TR2	they could spin off varnish on aws
[04:56]	schestowitz-TR2	for bezospost
[04:57]	schestowitz-TR2	but with clownflare they ride investors' bucks
[04:57]	forgetmenot	Still, AWS is much better than CF - it doesn't block Tor/VPN users by default.
[04:57]	schestowitz-TR2	or prior to it VCs
[04:57]	schestowitz-TR2	clownflare will'cash in' at some point
[04:57]	schestowitz-TR2	wait, clownflare does it by default now?
[04:58]	schestowitz-TR2	I thought it was a more restrictive mode
[04:58]	schestowitz-TR2	same for the JS tests
[04:58]	forgetmenot	no no
[04:58]	forgetmenot	AWS doesn't block Tor/VPN. CF does.
[04:58]	techrights-news	 NEWS #EuropeanParliament #Politics #Facebook Files: MEPs to invite whistleblower Frances Haugen to a hearing https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/fi/press-room/20211011IPR14619/facebook-files-meps-to-invite-whistleblower-frances-haugen-to-a-hearing
[04:58]		-altlink_cba/#techrights- Cloudflare: europa.eu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/fi/press-room/20211011IPR14619/facebook-files-meps-to-invite-whistleblower-frances-haugen-to-a-hearing
[04:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.europarl.europa.eu | Facebook Files: MEPs to invite whistleblower Frances Haugen to a hearing | Ajankohtaista | Euroopan parlamentti
[04:58]	schestowitz-TR2	oh . my. god
[04:58]	schestowitz-TR2	europa.eu is clownflare?
[04:58]	forgetmenot	LOL
[04:58]	schestowitz-TR2	OUR GOVERNMENT USES US???
[04:59]	forgetmenot	relax mate
[04:59]	schestowitz-TR2	what have we sunk to?
[04:59]	forgetmenot	many *.gov (US site) use CF
[04:59]	schestowitz-TR2	well, us
[04:59]	schestowitz-TR2	this is eu
[04:59]	schestowitz-TR2	no cdn in europe?
[04:59]	forgetmenot	actually
[04:59]	forgetmenot	there are many cloudflareed .eu domains
[04:59]	techrights-news	 NEWS #UPI #Politics #Facebook #whistleblower invited to speak to European Parliament https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2021/10/11/facebook-whistleblower-european-parliament-frances-haugen/9371633974806/
[04:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook whistleblower invited to speak to European Parliament - UPI.com
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[05:00]	schestowitz-TR2	forgetmenot: but this is gov
[05:00]	schestowitz-TR2	and they have budget
[05:00]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Bloomberg #Politics #Facebook Whistle-Blower to Speak Out at U.K., EU Parliaments https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-11/facebook-whistle-blower-to-speak-out-at-u-k-eu-parliaments
[05:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
[05:00]	techrights-news	 NEWS #JacobinMag Philanthropy Is a Scam https://jacobinmag.com/2021/10/philanthropy-is-a-scam/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique
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[05:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jacobinmag.com | Philanthropy Is a Scam
[05:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights
[05:00]	schestowitz-TR2	jacobinmag clowned also
[05:01]	forgetmenot	if you are interested, you can grab the entire data from https://archive.org/details/crimeflare or git (weekly update)
[05:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Cloudflare Domains (October 2021) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
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[05:01]	schestowitz-TR2	forgetmenot: no need, we see in real-time here
[05:01]	schestowitz-TR2	so a lot of our Daily Links basically point to clownflare
[05:02]	schestowitz-TR2	a silent giant of packet hoard
[05:02]	activelow	gas prises: +440% from january to october
[05:02]	activelow	prices
[05:02]	forgetmenot	Not just government
[05:02]	forgetmenot	Do you know how many % of banks in your country is CFed?
[05:02]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Cracked #Censorship One Time, Pakistan Accidentally Brought Down #YouTube Worldwide https://www.cracked.com/article_31502_one-time-pakistan-accidentally-brought-down-youtube-worldwide.html
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[05:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-One Time, Pakistan Accidentally Brought Down YouTube Worldwide | Cracked.com
[05:03]	forgetmenot	europe: https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/subfiles/cloudflared_financial_europe.md
[05:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - subfiles/cloudflared_financial_europe.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea
[05:03]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TimesHigherEducation #Censorship Kathleen Stock: #UCU statement ends my career at Sussex https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/kathleen-stock-ucu-statement-ends-my-career-sussex
[05:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Kathleen Stock: UCU statement ends my career at Sussex | Times Higher Education (THE)
[05:04]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Axios #Censorship #Microsoft #China LinkedIn's unanswered questions about China censorship https://www.axios.com/linkedin-unanswered-questions-china-censorship-56b75495-230c-4dc2-9a29-6a35e2f8cec0.html
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[05:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LinkedIn avoids key questions on China censorship - Axios
[05:04]	techrights-news	 NEWS #WSWS #Censorship Whistleblower testimony launches bipartisan campaign for #Facebook censorship https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/10/12/face-o12.html
[05:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Whistleblower testimony launches bipartisan campaign for Facebook censorship - World Socialist Web Site
[05:05]	GNUmoon2	ClearView at it again, scrapped 10 Billions photos from Fakebook and boasting about it. https://www.wired.com/story/clearview-ai-new-tools-identify-you-photos/
[05:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Clearview AI Has New Tools to Identify You in Photos | WIRED
[05:05]	schestowitz-TR2	criminals
[05:05]	schestowitz-TR2	both of them
[05:05]	schestowitz-TR2	they say they crack down on crime
[05:05]	schestowitz-TR2	same thing duterte says
[05:05]	GNUmoon2	One crime org helping another.
[05:05]	schestowitz-TR2	that's why we self-host our photos
[05:06]	schestowitz-TR2	but I am not sure if there's a  law against clearview scrraping those too
[05:06]	schestowitz-TR2	or scaping off google  image search
[05:08]	techrights-news	 NEWS #MexicoNewsDaily 3 nights in a migrant detention centerfor the crime of not carrying passport https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/5-days-in-a-migrant-detention-center/ "What I didnt know is that someone had been fighting for my freedom from outside."
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[05:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mexiconewsdaily.com | 3 nights in a migrant detention centerfor not carrying passport
[05:09]	GNUmoon2	Yeah, probably not illegal to scraping. If it's online, it's fair game...
[05:09]	schestowitz-TR2	there was a Microsoft case
[05:09]	schestowitz-TR2	against scraping in linkedin
[05:09]	schestowitz-TR2	iirc, the criminals won
[05:09]	schestowitz-TR2	(microsott)
[05:12]	techrights-news	"schematics or die" https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/fairphone-thoughts-commentary-with-louis:1 iophk: still uses the confusing term IP instead of #patents or #copyright
[05:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Fairphone thoughts & commentary with Louis Rossmann
[05:13]	forgetmenot	(https://odysee.com/ is a CF site - upsteamDB(sid) know this but altlinkDB(stable) is not)
[05:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Odysee
[05:14]	schestowitz-TR2	:-(
[05:14]	schestowitz-TR2	they can do video
[05:14]	schestowitz-TR2	but not web pages?
[05:14]	techrights-news	#Fakenews from #npr ... there is NO SUCH AWARD! https://text.npr.org/1045152279 iophk: bankster propaganda award
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[05:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | A Nobel Prize for a revolution in economics
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[08:55]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Adobe Uses #DMCA to Nuke Project That Keeps Flash Alive, Secure & Adware Free https://torrentfreak.com/adobe-uses-dmca-to-nuke-project-that-keeps-flash-alive-secure-adware-free-211012/
[08:55]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/adobe-uses-dmca-to-nuke-project-that-keeps-flash-alive-secure-adware-free-211012/
[08:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Adobe Uses DMCA to Nuke Project That Keeps Flash Alive, Secure & Adware Free * TorrentFreak
[08:56]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Google Opposes 'Sweeping' #PopcornTime #FileSharing Blocking Request https://torrentfreak.com/google-opposes-sweeping-popcorn-time-piracy-blocking-request-211012/
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[08:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Opposes 'Sweeping' Popcorn Time Piracy Blocking Request * TorrentFreak
[08:57]	techrights-news	 NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity #microsoft #nsa #fakesecurity Patch Tuesday, October 2021 Edition https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/10/patch-tuesday-october-2021-edition/
[08:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Patch Tuesday, October 2021 Edition Krebs on Security
[08:59]	techrights-news	The chip shortage https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21744736
[08:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody@joindiaspora.com: The chip shortage is something that the world doesnt really grasp yet, in its full importance and magnitude. It is the first climate catastrophe related shortage to hit us at a civilizational, global level. https://eand.co/why-everything-is-suddenly-getting-more-expensive-and-why-it-wont-stop-cbf5a091f403 interesting times... (v @opensourcerer)
[08:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> eand.co | Why Everything is Suddenly Getting More Expensive And Why It Wont Stop | by umair haque | Oct, 2021 | Eudaimonia and Co
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[09:03]	techrights-news	If you choose to #deleteTwitter https://www.maketecheasier.com/delete-anything-twitter/
[09:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Delete Anything from Twitter Including Your Account - Make Tech Easier
[09:03]	techrights-news	 #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/irc-log-121021/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/13/irc-log-121021/
[09:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 | Techrights
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[09:50]		*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Unofficial channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org
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[09:53]	techrights-news	 NEWS #EFF Coalition Against #Stalkerware Named J.D. Falk Award Winner for Raising Awareness About and Helping Victims of Malicious Spying Apps https://www.eff.org/press/releases/coalition-against-stalkerware-named-jd-falk-award-winner-raising-awareness-about-and
[09:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Coalition Against Stalkerware Named J.D. Falk Award Winner for Raising Awareness About and Helping Victims of Malicious Spying Apps | Electronic Frontier Foundation
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[09:54]	techrights-news	 NEWS #PIA Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) is Great for Catching Bad Actors; But It Can Also Be Used Against the Good Ones - You and Me https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/open-source-intelligence-osint-is-great-for-catching-bad-actors-but-it-can-also-be-used-against-the-good-ones-you-and-me/
[09:54]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: privateinternetaccess.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/open-source-intelligence-osint-is-great-for-catching-bad-actors-but-it-can-also-be-used-against-the-good-ones-you-and-me/
[09:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) is Great for Catching Bad Actors; But It Can Also Be Used Against the Good Ones - You and Me
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[10:00]	techrights-news	"Slides from tonight's #NUUG session" https://mastodon.social/@pitrh/107090222200927779
[10:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Peter N. M. Hansteen: "Slides from tonight's #NUUG session, with links t" - Mastodon
[10:02]	techrights-news	 NEWS #EFF Why Is #PayPal Denying Service to Palestinians? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/10/why-paypal-denying-service-palestinians
[10:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Why Is PayPal Denying Service to Palestinians? | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[10:02]	techrights-news	"Please, don't panic: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has been published on October 12, 1979. Exactly 42 years ago" https://mastodon.social/@fribbledom/107089570901571234
[10:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | muesli: "Please, don't panic: The Hitchhiker's Guide to th" - Mastodon
[10:03]	techrights-news	Freedom of the Press Foundation: "The Biden Admin must drop the charges against #Assange immediately" https://social.jesuislibre.net/@wikileaks/107085771778804220 #wikileaks
[10:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wikileaks [bot]: "ACLU: "The Government needs to drop the charges a" - social.jesuislibre.net
[10:04]	techrights-news	"EU to ban anonymous websites and whois privacy services. The LIBE Committee supports indiscriminatory identification of domain registrars:" https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/107089054499489198
[10:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: " #Cybersecurity: EU to ban anonymous websites a" - chaos.social
[10:04]	techrights-news	"you can run gemini from home" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-121021.html#tOct%2012%2000:48:47
[10:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 12, 2021
[10:05]	techrights-news	"World War 2 and the Cold War were both intense geopolitical conflicts in which one of the weapons was memetic warfare. Specifically, spreading a generalised sense of social anger and distrust through conspiracy theories. " https://mastodon.social/@natecull/107091390301519876
[10:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Nate Cull: "World War 2 and the Cold War were both intense ge" - Mastodon
[10:06]	techrights-news	 NEWS #EFF #Censorship Records Shed New Light on #Trump White House Officials Efforts to Punish #SocialControlMedia https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/10/records-shed-new-light-trump-white-house-officials-efforts-punish-social-media
[10:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Records Shed New Light on Trump White House Officials Efforts to Punish Social Media | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[10:11]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheNation How Terror Capitalism Links #Uyghur Oppression to the Global Economy https://www.thenation.com/article/world/xinjiang-uyghur-terror-capitalism/
[10:11]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/world/xinjiang-uyghur-terror-capitalism/
[10:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | How Terror Capitalism Links Uyghur Oppression to the Global Economy | The Nation
[10:14]	techrights-news	#china is not the trouble of the US but the factory of the United States; American oligarchs got richer on the backs of many millions of oppressed and impoverished Chinese people. If you think 'i' devices are an American product of #apple then you have a lot of reading up or catching up to do...
[10:14]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CreativeCommons License Stewardship consultation https://creativecommons.org/2021/10/12/license-stewardship-consultation/ http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/an-elephant-in-the-room-creative-commons/
[10:14]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2021/10/12/license-stewardship-consultation/
[10:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | License Stewardship consultation - Creative Commons
[10:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Has CC Become a Google Drone? | Techrights
[10:16]	techrights-news	Energy prices soaring just in time for... when in the northern hemisphere usage of energy skyrockets. Never mind #pandemic aspects.
[10:17]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TruthOut A Grim Winter Looms. These Activists Are Keeping Spirits Up Through Organizing. https://truthout.org/articles/a-grim-winter-looms-these-activists-are-keeping-spirits-up-through-organizing/
[10:17]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/a-grim-winter-looms-these-activists-are-keeping-spirits-up-through-organizing/
[10:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | A Grim Winter Looms. These Activists Are Keeping Spirits Up Through Organizing.
[10:17]	techrights-news	Tonight, for the third night in a row, #techrights will focus on #switzerland
[10:26]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CommonDreams #patent #patents #monopolies #greed Amid Corporate Dems' Threats, New Poll Shows 83% of Voters Back Drug Pricing Reform https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/12/amid-corporate-dems-threats-new-poll-shows-83-voters-back-drug-pricing-reform
[10:26]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/12/amid-corporate-dems-threats-new-poll-shows-83-voters-back-drug-pricing-reform
[10:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Amid Corporate Dems' Threats, New Poll Shows 83% of Voters Back Drug Pricing Reform
[10:30]	Techrights-sec	I guess there are now CoCs that prevent any criticism at all of companies.
[10:30]	Techrights-sec	I presume that those are also enforced selectively, at that.
[10:30]	schestowitz-TR2	This is what companies do when they are losing; we need to respond shrewdly to such new restrictions
[10:31]	schestowitz-TR2	CoC: CODE AND SHUT THE FUCK UP
[10:38]	Techrights-sec	Not even that, it's not just about shutting people up, it is getting them
[10:38]	Techrights-sec	to code bad (mis-)features that advance certain companies at the expense of 
[10:38]	Techrights-sec	all others and all people.
[10:38]	Techrights-sec	That's a little different that an amoral head down and code attitude.
[10:38]	schestowitz-TR2	systemd :-)
[10:38]	schestowitz-TR2	criticising it is "intolerance"
[10:38]	schestowitz-TR2	"harassment"
[10:38]	schestowitz-TR2	watch out
[10:39]	schestowitz-TR2	the anti-harassment team(R) is watching you ;-)
[10:42]	Techrights-sec	Labelling the opposite of what they actually do.  :/
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[10:50]	techrights-news	[Meme] [Teaser] Swiss Alexandre Benallas http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/swiss-armed-bullies/ #epo #corruption #france #switzerland #ch
[10:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] Swiss Alexandre Benallas | Techrights
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	leah: good morning
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	you said you had admired the Swiss political model
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	you might want to read the latest 7 posts in :
[10:50]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO
[10:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights
[10:51]	schestowitz-TR2	there's more to .ch than cows, chocolate, and cheese ;-)
[10:51]	schestowitz-TR2	we have two more articles coming tonight
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[10:58]	psydruid	https://www.cambriantechnologies.com/blog/2021/03/27/the-ramifications-of-the-decline-of-the-x86-chip-architecture/
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[10:58]	psydruid	I think all the Intel and Microsoft spam we are seeing now are a last-ditch effort to make the companies still look relevant
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[10:59]	psydruid	this is an old one on Tom's Hardware of all places, but the things mentioned there have actually happened
[10:59]	psydruid	https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-wintel-intel-processor-windows,17355.html
[10:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | Report: The Wintel Era is Finally Declining | Tom's Hardware
● Oct 13
[11:00]	schestowitz-TR2	psydruid: I noticed something
[11:00]	schestowitz-TR2	hang on, bear with me
[11:00]	schestowitz	yesterday I saw https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202101
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[11:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
[11:01]	schestowitz	it LOOKS like the PAID-FOR hype give them a tiny gain
[11:01]	schestowitz	which I suppose marketing can do
[11:01]	schestowitz	when you offload barrels of money at "media"
[11:01]	schestowitz	and get people curious about Service Pack '11'
[11:01]	schestowitz	but now...
[11:01]	schestowitz	they need to maintain ANOTHER version
[11:01]	activelow	if the OS market share misses azure threadX then it is - void
[11:02]	schestowitz	how often will Windows Update brick Service Pack '10'
[11:02]	psydruid	so it's more like a Pyrrhic victory?
[11:02]	schestowitz	and how long before a 'fix'? (Rubber band)
[11:02]	schestowitz	activelow: it's barely relevant
[11:02]	psydruid	Service Pack '10' keeps breaking itself all the time
[11:02]	schestowitz	Microsoft just bought some company
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[11:02]	schestowitz	to pretend that Azure is relevant
[11:02]	schestowitz	when in fact is has tiny market share
[11:02]	schestowitz	they just hype it up in paid-for media
[11:02]	schestowitz	IBM tried to do the same with its 'clown'
[11:03]	schestowitz	psydruid: after all this hype only 1% in gain?
[11:03]	schestowitz	Seems pathetic
[11:03]	schestowitz	they bleed several %s per year
[11:03]	psydruid	indeed
[11:03]	schestowitz	and the marketing/media hype stopped
[11:03]	activelow	short notice: this is the leading two OS deployed, 1) azure threadx rtos 2) minix (intelME)
[11:03]	schestowitz	last week: WSL now in Vista 11
[11:03]	psydruid	it's not working out like it did in the 90s or 2000s
[11:03]	schestowitz	This week: WSL now in STORE!!!
[11:03]	schestowitz	They recycle old spam
[11:04]	schestowitz	Phoronix, techradar, Liliputing and SJCN help them
[11:04]	schestowitz	at expense to their credibility
[11:04]	psydruid	activelow, I have none of those
[11:04]	schestowitz	I could name a few more sites
[11:04]	schestowitz	It's FOSS
[11:04]	schestowitz	CNX Software
[11:04]		*psydruid will never buy a Raspberry Pi
[11:04]	schestowitz	activelow: it's not aazure
[11:04]	psydruid	yes
[11:04]	schestowitz	it's jyst a dying  brand
[11:04]	schestowitz	they bought some company
[11:04]	schestowitz	slapped their brand on it
[11:05]	schestowitz	so they can claim "azure" is widely deployed
[11:05]	activelow	psydruid: threadx is deployed elsewhere, however microsoft had to tell where those 6billion deployments are which they announce
[11:05]	psydruid	activelow, (actual) embedded devices?
[11:05]	schestowitz	activelow: let's agree to disagree on this one
[11:05]	schestowitz	it's more of  a PR stunty
[11:06]	schestowitz	so they can slap it on some Web page
[11:06]	schestowitz	psydruid: they bought some company two years ago
[11:06]	schestowitz	threw the "Azure" brand on that
[11:06]	schestowitz	to use "recency" PR
[11:06]	schestowitz	they also lose lots of money on ShitHub
[11:06]	psydruid	I knew about ThreadX in 2017
[11:06]	schestowitz	they paid in shares for a losing operation
[11:06]	activelow	don't think so, microsoft doesn't aggressively market the "niche", and labeling it azure is misleading too
[11:06]	schestowitz	just to pretend to still matter
[11:06]	psydruid	and that's why I bought an Orange Pi and not a Raspberry Pi
[11:06]	schestowitz	same in skype, linkedin...
[11:07]	schestowitz	it's another nokia
[11:07]	psydruid	and I'm glad for that
[11:07]	schestowitz	another write-off
[11:07]	schestowitz	LinkedIn had tons of layoffs last year
[11:07]	psydruid	what are alternatives to ThreadX?
[11:07]	psydruid	and who uses it even?
[11:07]	psydruid	I think it will always go like this
[11:07]	schestowitz	there is NO ThreadX, psydruid :-)
[11:07]	schestowitz	now it's "AZURE"
[11:07]	schestowitz	whatrever that is
[11:07]	schestowitz	"clown"
[11:07]	schestowitz	vapour
[11:08]	psydruid	$BIGCOMPANY buys $TECHNOLOGY, so $OTHERCOMPANY buys $OTHERTECHNOLOGY to replace $TECHNOLOGY
[11:08]	schestowitz-TR2	Team is HUGE
[11:08]	schestowitz-TR2	"we rebranded SKYPE FOR BUSINESS"
[11:08]	schestowitz-TR2	*Teams
[11:08]	psydruid	everything Microsoft buys inevitably dies eventually
[11:08]	schestowitz-TR2	10003342% GROWTH
[11:08]	schestowitz-TR2	by rebranding
[11:09]	schestowitz-TR2	they beleed money
[11:09]	psydruid	oh right
[11:09]	schestowitz-TR2	just to seem relevant
[11:09]	psydruid	Azure RTOS
[11:09]	schestowitz-TR2	and then run to Trump
[11:09]	schestowitz-TR2	help us buy TikTok
[11:09]	schestowitz-TR2	help us win JEDI
[11:09]	psydruid	designed and developed by brilliant Microsoft developers
[11:09]	schestowitz-TR2	Hey, BIDEN, give us $22,000,000,000 for this company we KILLED
[11:09]	schestowitz-TR2	HoloLens
[11:09]	psydruid	sanctioned by Dave Cutler and Gordon Bell
[11:09]	schestowitz-TR2	All staff fired shortly after Microsoft had bought them
[11:09]	schestowitz-TR2	realised they bought a DUD
[11:09]	schestowitz-TR2	for some shallow Vista 10 marketing
[11:10]	schestowitz-TR2	which only lasted a few weeks
[11:10]	schestowitz-TR2	and nobody taked about it after that
[11:10]	psydruid	I don't even know what Mixxer and HoloLens are
[11:10]	schestowitz-TR2	Mixxer
[11:10]	schestowitz-TR2	killed also
[11:10]	psydruid	never seen or used them
[11:10]	schestowitz-TR2	all the fools who participated there
[11:10]	schestowitz-TR2	liquidated by Microsoft
[11:10]	schestowitz-TR2	we wrote about Mixxer
[11:10]	schestowitz-TR2	we used to keep track of dead Microsoft things
[11:11]	psydruid	I read about it, but I still have no clue what it is lol
[11:11]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_-_Dead_Divisions_or_Products
[11:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft - Dead Divisions or Products - Techrights
[11:11]	schestowitz	we stopped about a decade ago
[11:11]	schestowitz	started to focus more on patents
[11:11]	schestowitz-TR2	psydruid: i think it's some "social" media thingie
[11:11]	schestowitz-TR2	like Discord
[11:12]	psydruid	ah
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR2	does discord actually make any money?
[11:12]	psydruid	I don't think so
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR2	me neither
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR2	what business model?
[11:12]	psydruid	but they got an investment recently
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR2	I never heard of anyone paying for it
[11:12]	psydruid	so they can coast on for a while longer
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR2	psydruid: so did shithub
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR2	they bet on being bought I guess
[11:12]	psydruid	they branched out into games, but no one was buying those
[11:12]	psydruid	and they were all Windows-only
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR2	Google can use the to integrate users into other disservices
[11:12]	schestowitz-TR2	like gmail
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR2	and then harvest chats in discord for user data and keystrokes
[11:13]	psydruid	yes
[11:13]	psydruid	even some nominally FOSS projects have moved their chats to Discord
[11:13]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CounterPunch #Germany #de Who Won Germanys Election in 2021? https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/12/who-won-germanys-election-in-2021/
[11:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Who Won Germanys Election in 2021? - CounterPunch.org
[11:14]	psydruid	which is an incredibly short-sighted and stupid thing to do in my opinion
[11:14]	schestowitz	"All in all, 25.7% voted for the center-mildly-progressive social-democratic party SPD. With that, the SPD overtook Germanys conservatives and strong-state favoring CDU Angela Merkels political party"
[11:14]	schestowitz	SPD, activelow
[11:14]	schestowitz	the ones who stopped responding to my mails after the election
[11:14]	activelow	schestowitz: SPD lost millions of party members
[11:14]	schestowitz	I guess talking about EPO crimes was no longer of "use" to them
[11:14]	activelow	same with CDU
[11:14]	activelow	and the real majority in national parliament is CDU+FDP/AFD
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR2	I see...
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: btw
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR2	if you read the new series on switzerland
[11:15]	psydruid	we still have no new government after elections in March ...
[11:15]	activelow	i name FDP/AFD in conjunction because those two parties represent left and right-wing liberalism (regardless of their followers and campaigning)
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR2	the centre of it is christian bock
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR2	he's german
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR2	naturalised as swiss
[11:15]	psydruid	and we may end up having new elections
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR2	right wing, too
[11:16]	psydruid	maybe that's why Microsoft and WSL fanboys are attacking me
[11:16]	psydruid	all that money invested and very little coming out of it
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	[11:16] <psydruid> maybe that's why Microsoft and WSL fanboys are attacking me
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	wait
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	that means it hurts
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	do more of the same
[11:17]	psydruid	no one wants to be exposted like that
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	remember:
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	we had #1 fan of WSL here in IRC
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	several times
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	cloaked as just some random Joe
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	he quit 
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	earlier this year he quit WSL completely
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	he tried to invite us all, here in IRC, to his WSL 'conf'
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	that did not go well
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR2	anyway, he mostly vanished
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR2	moved to rancher
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR2	(suse)
[11:18]	psydruid	I will continue doing it, but they do make me into an "insulting person" for calling people out who insult me first
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR2	we have good rebuttals re WSL
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR2	what it is
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR2	how it failed
[11:18]	psydruid	this is gaslighting level 11 on a scale from 0 to 10
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR2	how developers fled
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR2	the astroturfing
[11:18]	psydruid	unfortunately for them it doesn't work for me
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR2	the bribed-for 'media' 'coverage'
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR2	(Ads)
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR2	they wasted maybe 20 million on it
[11:19]	schestowitz-TR2	for just hundreds of thousands of useds
[11:19]	psydruid	I did actually attend the WSL conf
[11:19]	psydruid	but it was pure garbage
[11:19]	schestowitz-TR2	well, you upped their numbers
[11:19]	schestowitz-TR2	afaik, there will be no more such event
[11:19]	schestowitz-TR2	its organiser quit
[11:19]	psydruid	"look at us doing great stuff on WSL that works 10 times better than on GNU/Linux"
[11:19]	psydruid	I am even in their chat as an infiltrant
[11:19]	psydruid	the irony
[11:20]	psydruid	but I never saw anything of substance
[11:20]	psydruid	-than*
[11:20]	activelow	does WSL spawn a linux kernel at least?
[11:20]	activelow	cygwin didn't it provided a libc and GNU userspace, but no linux kernel involved
[11:21]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: no
[11:21]	psydruid	I don't know, I never used it (or was used by it)
[11:21]	schestowitz-TR2	WSL2 does
[11:21]	schestowitz-TR2	WSL was a misnomer
[11:21]	schestowitz-TR2	no linux on it
[11:21]	schestowitz-TR2	just cygwin-like gnu-on-windows
[11:21]	activelow	and WSL2 probably involves hardware-level virtualization, i suspect, not sure
[11:21]		*schestowitz-TR2 tried cygwin several times more than 20 years agoi
[11:22]	schestowitz-TR2	WSL is dead
[11:22]	schestowitz-TR2	but nobody wants to say it
[11:22]	psydruid	WSLg will only "work" on Vista 11
[11:22]	schestowitz-TR2	Microsoft NEVER admirs when its products die
[11:22]	schestowitz-TR2	Windows Phone
[11:22]	schestowitz-TR2	Silverlight
[11:22]	psydruid	yeah, I call it dead and they deny it
[11:22]	schestowitz-TR2	it just dies 'silently'
[11:22]	psydruid	I guess that really hurt
[11:22]	schestowitz-TR2	while they assure people, "no, it's OK, it's still there"
[11:22]	activelow	i'm not interested in any microsoft windows product at all, and ignore all related tech "news" from "experts" on this
[11:22]	schestowitz-TR2	That's what happened to WSL some years ago
[11:22]	schestowitz-TR2	it's just shilled-for media
[11:23]	psydruid	no, that's not the issue
[11:23]	schestowitz-TR2	shame on phoronix as a side note
[11:23]	psydruid	spamming Microsoft ads keeps the real news out of the media
[11:23]	schestowitz-TR2	lately he has been back to helping Microsoft with "mindshare"
[11:23]	psydruid	and they know that very well
[11:23]	schestowitz-TR2	because news was slow
[11:23]	schestowitz-TR2	[03:42] <techrights-news> Job ad (one person) as 'article' https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Red-Hat-New-2021-GPU-Developer
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[11:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat Is Hiring Another Linux Developer To Work On GPU Hardware Enablement - Phoronix
[11:23]	activelow	i quit recognising windows as a relevant system when some windows version didn't support .Net3.x and insisted on some update, not sure when this was
[11:24]	activelow	because, from a merely technical perspective, and although i disguise microsoft products, rapid application development with .Net was a thing relevant for some
[11:24]	psydruid	I quit recognising windows in 2000, but it took me some time to move everything over to GNU/Linux
[11:24]	schestowitz-TR2	my last windows was win98
[11:24]	schestowitz-TR2	so my windows days were like, what? 5 years?
[11:24]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe a little longer, prior to that it was DOSes
[11:24]	activelow	just saying, never considered .Net again, and didn't touch any java in 5 years anymore either, never will again
[11:24]	psydruid	I used windows 2000 alongside SUSE, Mandrake and Red Hat until it was time to get rid of it
[11:25]	psydruid	in 2002
[11:25]	schestowitz-TR2	in early windows many "apps" were running off of DOS
[11:25]	schestowitz-TR2	Windows was like a GUI wrapped for DOS
[11:25]	schestowitz-TR2	your games would run off of DOS
[11:25]	schestowitz-TR2	not even MS-DOS
[11:25]	schestowitz-TR2	Windows was for minesweeper and stuff
[11:25]	psydruid	5 years it was for me too
[11:25]	schestowitz-TR2	even much software was still DOS-like
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR2	image editors and file managers
[11:26]	psydruid	that's why I feel handicapped on a windows system
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR2	I didn't use Windows file management
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR2	Norton Commander was easier to work wiht
[11:26]	psydruid	I know GNU/Linux much better
[11:26]	activelow	strangely IBM and Microsoft seem to hack and slay each other too, and i was the one to suffer from this, forced to learn a shitload of useless short-lived stuff
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR2	by that stage, kde was already getting its file manager that's better than Windows'
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR2	inc. Krusader iirc
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR2	Midnight Commander
[11:26]	schestowitz-TR2	Koqueror
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[11:27]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: IBM and Mirosoft aree similiar now
[11:27]	schestowitz-TR2	they buy back their OWN share
[11:27]	schestowitz-TR2	to fake relevance and stability
[11:27]	schestowitz-TR2	IBM also bought Red Hat
[11:27]	schestowitz-TR2	Microsoft bought GitHub
[11:27]	schestowitz-TR2	then they tell shareholders, "look! We're still ahead of the curve"
[11:28]	schestowitz-TR2	Red Hat was maybe worth 10 billion 
[11:28]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe
[11:28]	activelow	if you're interested, i wasn't impressed by redhat9 (predating fedora), when i saw this around year 2002 i though: "what would i want with this, looks like win3.11"
[11:28]	activelow	little later openbsd relieved some of the stress
[11:29]	activelow	i didn't turn from windows to gnu/linux, i departed from windows to BSD
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR2	Red Hat just sells support for something which is free anyway
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR2	I saw people moving away from them
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR2	due to pricing
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR2	they always say they're ripped off
[11:29]	activelow	and from BSD to gentoo, which shares some highly relevant characteristics of BSD, not GNU/Linux and the apt/rpm binary stuff
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR2	just to sign some papers that let them blame Red Hat
[11:29]	psydruid	I started using Windows and GNU/Linux at about the same time
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR2	before systemd and wayland you could easily switch between distros
[11:30]	psydruid	I just phased out Windows after 5 years
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR2	or just use the many RHEL clones
[11:30]	psydruid	and after that I got to know about BSD and Solaris
[11:30]	activelow	GNU/Linux is dominated by RPM/APT type systems, and this isn't something i feel comfortable with at all
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR2	not anymore
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR2	they hope
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[11:31]	schestowitz-TR2	anorher vector:
[11:31]	schestowitz-TR2	make centralised "stores"
[11:31]	schestowitz-TR2	like flathub
[11:31]	schestowitz-TR2	next stage (IBM/Google) is this:
[11:31]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/
[11:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security From Linux Foundation and the Monopolies Its Fronting for | Techrights
[11:31]	schestowitz	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632
[11:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux Machines
[11:32]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: I welcome you to the "LINUS STORE"
[11:33]	activelow	schestowitz: if gentoo support for swapping linux kernel against a BSD one didn't cease (around 2013), i had considered BSD Kernel
[11:33]	schestowitz-TR2	You have to unscrew this thing to install "untrusted" software
[11:33]	activelow	but, i do need the gentoo tooling for anything else than kernel, and it isn't easy to retain gentoo and integrate a BSD kernel with it
[11:33]	activelow	it is possible, however, efforts; and... features
[11:34]	activelow	and, linux kernel isn't among those components i worry most about
[11:34]	schestowitz-TR2	for desktop?
[11:34]	activelow	because, linux kernel devs remained cautious to keep it modular, so components i do not want can be removed
[11:34]	schestowitz-TR2	from what I recall, you use direct framebuffer and cli
[11:35]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: soon rust all over kernel space
[11:35]	schestowitz-TR2	very very moduilar
[11:35]	schestowitz-TR2	just cargo this and that
[11:35]	schestowitz-TR2	$ github pull
[11:35]	activelow	schestowitz-TR2: as soon as i encounter compilation issues i will dispose linux kernel
[11:35]	schestowitz-TR2	they already EEE the 'git' command
[11:36]	activelow	i blacklisted llvm/clang already, and ideally i could have compiled linux kernel with tinycc/pcc but didn't try nor manage yet, it isn't known to be supported
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[11:37]	activelow	sorry psydruid, didn't mean to interrupt. anyway, if linux enforces rust then it will be disposed in a minute and not reconsidered anymore by me
[11:38]	schestowitz-TR2	makes sense
[11:38]	schestowitz-TR2	I like it, activelow
[11:38]	schestowitz-TR2	you do your own thing, your way
[11:38]	schestowitz-TR2	not many people exercise freedom at that level
[11:38]	schestowitz-TR2	it's torturous to most
[11:40]	activelow	it's ok if linux utilises clang for static code analysis, it isn't anymore as soon as linux kernel enforces rust-compiler being present
[11:40]	activelow	it is a burden already GCC is enforced effectively, instead of something sane
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[11:42]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: but it's needed a lot
[11:42]	schestowitz-TR2	for cross-platform at the least
[11:42]	schestowitz-TR2	it has been maturing for almost 40 years
[11:42]	schestowitz-TR2	feel free to write linkers again
[11:42]	schestowitz-TR2	your way
[11:42]	schestowitz-TR2	then add up symbols
[11:42]	schestowitz-TR2	and make your own compiler
[11:42]	schestowitz-TR2	for 20 processors
[11:42]	schestowitz-TR2	it's a monumental task
[11:43]	schestowitz-TR2	then to catch all the bugs which otherwise cause crashes
[11:43]	activelow	compilers exist which consist of a few thousand lines of code, just saying
[11:43]	schestowitz-TR2	the monopolies hoped non-reciprocal ('permissive') llvm/clang would take off
[11:43]	schestowitz-TR2	after a decade of promises, or more, it's nowhere near gcc
[11:43]	schestowitz-TR2	even gcc-hostile companies still use gcc
[11:43]	schestowitz-TR2	suse, ibm...
[11:43]	activelow	and yes, this is the idea of *free and opensource software*, that homebrew and hackers and students can do it
[11:44]	activelow	instead it is only corporations who blow up the entire system and tooling beyond repair, with only them who benefit from this
[11:44]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #Internet Why #Section230 'Reform' Effectively Means Section 230 Repeal https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211004/11400447697/why-section-230-reform-effectively-means-section-230-repeal.shtml
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[11:44]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: true
[11:45]	schestowitz-TR2	[10:38] <Techrights-sec> Not even that, it's not just about shutting people up, it is getting them
[11:45]	schestowitz-TR2	[10:38] <Techrights-sec> to code bad (mis-)features that advance certain companies at the expense of 
[11:45]	schestowitz-TR2	[10:38] <Techrights-sec> all others and all people.
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[11:53]	psydruid	activelow, no problem, I am glad for you and everyone else to participate in these conversations
[11:54]	schestowitz-TR2	I find these fascinatiung
[11:54]	schestowitz-TR2	why?
[11:55]	schestowitz-TR2	because no site covers these issue
[11:55]	schestowitz-TR2	not even forums that I know of
[11:55]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe except gentoo and lfs 'ricers'
[11:55]	schestowitz-TR2	though they too don't care
[11:55]	schestowitz-TR2	they want theit startx
[11:55]	schestowitz-TR2	they hardly care about what's in the hardware
[11:56]	schestowitz-TR2	RMS barely talks about those issue
[11:56]	schestowitz-TR2	he addresses the matters from a higher level of abstraction
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[11:56]	schestowitz-TR2	such as, can the state control you? What about vendors? How to collectively tackle this?
[11:56]	schestowitz-TR2	GNU was started because of hardware or driver
[11:56]	schestowitz-TR2	xerox
[11:57]	schestowitz-TR2	not because of software per se
[11:57]	schestowitz	https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/201cthe-printer-story201d-redux-a-testimonial-about-the-injustice-of-proprietary-firmware
[11:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | The printer story redux: a testimonial about the injustice of proprietary firmware Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[11:57]	schestowitz	"As part of his explanation of the early history of free software, Richard Stallman (RMS) often tells a story about his frustration with the locked-down software on a laser printer. If you're not familiar with the printer story, you can read it in RMS's own words here. It's an early, easy-to-understand example of how proprietary software deprives users of control over their lives."
[11:57]	schestowitz	embedded
[11:58]	schestowitz	raw: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/rms-nyu-2001-transcript.txt
[11:58]	schestowitz	btw, the 2020 (latest) build of netsurf works great with gnu.org and fsf.orgf
● Oct 13
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[12:01]	psydruid	it has always worked well for me on proper websites
[12:02]	schestowitz-TR2	report to me if it does not work with ours
[12:02]	schestowitz-TR2	I know our videos imperil it
[12:02]	schestowitz-TR2	netsurf was not make to be a "video player"
[12:02]	schestowitz-TR2	some time along the way, with wmv, browsers tried to become media players
[12:02]	schestowitz-TR2	later flash
[12:02]	schestowitz-TR2	then GoogleTube
[12:02]	schestowitz-TR2	Google Video
[12:03]	schestowitz-TR2	then YouTube
[12:03]	schestowitz-TR2	then merged
[12:03]	schestowitz-TR2	now just a lousy JavaScript "app"
[12:03]	schestowitz-TR2	or no play
[12:03]	schestowitz-TR2	in ukraine, RMS spoke about invidious at long last
[12:03]	schestowitz-TR2	comment from the audience
[12:03]	schestowitz-TR2	first talk in two years
[12:03]	schestowitz-TR2	he's in france now
[12:04]	schestowitz-TR2	I have no use for his talks there because I'm not a francophone
[12:04]	schestowitz-TR2	he gives two talks
[12:04]	schestowitz-TR2	let me check if any is online..
[12:04]	schestowitz	http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/#2021
[12:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-audio-video.gnu.org | Audio/Video - GNU Project - Free-Software Foundation
[12:04]	schestowitz	https://stallmansupport.org/updates.html
[12:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | Updates | Stallman Support
[12:05]	schestowitz-TR2	oh, the first link shows our video
[12:05]	schestowitz-TR2	they're just officially added the video transcoded by techrights
[12:06]	schestowitz-TR2	in techrights we got like 12k hits on it as of 2 weeks ago
[12:06]	schestowitz-TR2	surely more by now
[12:06]	schestowitz-TR2	it cuts off the worse bits at the start
[12:06]	schestowitz-TR2	where he acts a bit rudely (to my taste)
[12:08]	psydruid	I watched that one for the most part
[12:08]	psydruid	maybe half the Q&A session
[12:08]	psydruid	let me see what the French one is about
[12:08]	techrights-news	#RMS giving talks in #france 3 days and 9 days from now. In-person talks for francophones https://stallman.org/talks.html
[12:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Talks - Richard Stallman
[12:09]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TruthOut #patent #patents Poll Finds 88 Percent Support Sanderss Plan to Lower Prescription Drug Prices https://truthout.org/articles/poll-finds-88-percent-support-sanderss-plan-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices/
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[12:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Poll Finds 88 Percent Support Sanderss Plan to Lower Prescription Drug Prices
[12:09]	schestowitz-TR2	psydruid: to me, the q and a is more interesting
[12:10]	psydruid	did he also do one in Italian?
[12:10]	schestowitz-TR2	because the rest is sort of introductory and thus repetitive
[12:10]	psydruid	yes, I just didn't manage to finish it
[12:10]	schestowitz-TR2	psydruid: he does not speak italian
[12:10]	schestowitz-TR2	es/fr/en
[12:10]	schestowitz-TR2	my wife speaks 5
[12:10]	schestowitz-TR2	epo staff speaks at least 3
[12:11]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe not anymore
[12:11]	schestowitz-TR2	hiring standards have COLLAPSED
[12:11]	psydruid	I speak more
[12:11]	schestowitz-TR2	good
[12:11]	schestowitz-TR2	so you can compare
[12:11]	schestowitz-TR2	in england people can barely compare languages
[12:11]	schestowitz-TR2	in US they have spanish
[12:11]	schestowitz-TR2	Englishman: if you don't speak my language, you are "dumb" and "sound funny"
[12:12]	psydruid	at some point my manager was telling colleagues that I spoke all the "languages in the world"
[12:12]	psydruid	which isn't true of course
[12:12]	schestowitz-TR2	funny thing is, many brexiters can't even do english right :-)
[12:12]	psydruid	
[12:12]	schestowitz-TR2	"ih mate"
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR2	"oi!!"
[12:13]	schestowitz-TR2	"fokin dis"
[12:14]	schestowitz-TR2	psydruid: if you cover mandarin, tamil(s), and english, than you can speak to like 2/3 of the world
[12:14]	schestowitz-TR2	if spanish too, maybe 80%
[12:14]	schestowitz-TR2	many who speak spanish can also do english
[12:15]	psydruid	I don't speak mandarin and tamil, but I speak a few indian languages and spanish and english
[12:15]	psydruid	persian too
[12:16]	schestowitz-TR2	a friend of mine speaks persian
[12:16]	psydruid	the basics of a few slavic and scandinavian languages
[12:16]	psydruid	native in dutch and fluent in english and german
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR2	ah, maybe I can get your help sometimes
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR2	with EPO reports
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR2	right now we get lots of articles translated
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR2	but next in the list if french, portuguese, and spanish
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR2	after that austria, so german
[12:17]	schestowitz-TR2	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/15-Rdler-Press-Release-March-2007.pdf abd http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/15-Parliamentary-Inquiry-No.-2-Oct-2009.pdf
[12:18]	schestowitz-TR2	that's for Sunday
[12:18]	psydruid	I worked with french at my job for almost a year
[12:18]	schestowitz-TR2	sorry to hear that :-)
[12:18]	psydruid	so that would be my fourth best european language, spanish my fifth
[12:18]	psydruid	yeah, that's why I quit 
[12:19]	schestowitz-TR2	the ones I knew here could be a little pretentious
[12:19]	schestowitz-TR2	and arrogant
[12:19]	schestowitz-TR2	but maybe bad luck
[12:19]	schestowitz-TR2	that's just my personal experience
[12:19]	schestowitz-TR2	british are better at faking manners
[12:20]	schestowitz-TR2	and restraint
[12:20]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe that's why british empire was so much more "successful"
[12:20]	schestowitz-TR2	and vast
[12:20]	psydruid	the french outright insulted me at times
[12:20]	psydruid	and I did it back to them
[12:20]	schestowitz-TR2	to occupy people and oppress them for long you need to at least fake respect for them
[12:21]	schestowitz-TR2	"Microsoft loves Linux"
[12:21]	psydruid	never heard anything about that from my manager
[12:21]	schestowitz-TR2	"Queen loves India"
[12:21]	psydruid	but I couldn't care less
[12:21]	psydruid	french-speaking people from other countries did have decency
[12:21]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheNation Women Yell Things to Me. But Theyre All Compliments. https://www.thenation.com/article/society/older-women-cable-news/
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[12:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Women Yell Things to Me. But Theyre All Compliments. | The Nation
[12:21]	psydruid	like luxemburg, switzerland, canada and north african countries
[12:22]	schestowitz-TR2	they're not 'pure' French
[12:22]	schestowitz-TR2	belgium also
[12:22]	schestowitz-TR2	zoobab is a francophone
[12:22]	psydruid	so it must be something in French society itself
[12:22]	schestowitz-TR2	you can hear it in his accent
[12:22]	schestowitz-TR2	very nice guy
[12:22]	psydruid	oh sure
[12:22]	schestowitz-TR2	I never know people from lux (personally)
[12:22]	psydruid	I only ever had problems at the Charleroi train station
[12:22]	schestowitz-TR2	my sister worked there for a bit
[12:23]	schestowitz-TR2	many 'frenchies' destroyed the EPO
[12:23]	psydruid	where the person who sold tickets insulted me in French, thinking I didn't understand him
[12:23]	schestowitz-TR2	not nice to put it like that
[12:23]	schestowitz-TR2	sounds racist and rude
[12:23]	psydruid	but I did and insulted him back
[12:23]	schestowitz-TR2	but it is true
[12:23]	schestowitz-TR2	even french politicians said it
[12:23]	psydruid	that's also what I do with Microsoft shills and they hate it
[12:23]	schestowitz-TR2	that EPO was becoming an embarrassment to france
[12:23]	schestowitz-TR2	Compinos is Frfench
[12:24]	schestowitz-TR2	he pretends not to be
[12:24]	schestowitz	he is just another drunken sociopath http://techrights.org/2021/07/13/presidential-skill-gap/
[12:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: Mind the Mental Gap | Techrights
[12:24]	schestowitz	maybe he got his genes from his mom
[12:24]	schestowitz	not from his portuguese dad
[12:25]	schestowitz-TR2	his dad is dead
[12:25]	schestowitz-TR2	but he SEEMED like a nice person
[12:25]	schestowitz-TR2	modest and noble
[12:25]	schestowitz-TR2	I bet his wife wore the pants in the home
[12:26]	schestowitz	Campinos and his mom: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/funeral-antonio-campinos.jpg
[12:26]	psydruid	I think the French still believe in their exceptionalism
[12:28]	schestowitz-TR2	I'm not sure
[12:28]	schestowitz-TR2	tbh I don't understand French culture
[12:28]	schestowitz-TR2	what I've learned from EPO is not positive
[12:28]	psydruid	neither do I
[12:28]	schestowitz-TR2	when I was young I was told they're antipathetic
[12:28]	psydruid	it doesn't seem to have any defining feature
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR2	and it's not racist to say if it's based on something factual
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR2	in fact, french is not a race
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR2	there are many types of ethicities there
[12:29]	schestowitz-TR2	religions also, but mostly 2
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR2	language unifying factor
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR2	they're ethnically\ similar to us
[12:30]	psydruid	in a forced way
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR2	religion is not a race
[12:30]	schestowitz-TR2	same for language
[12:31]	schestowitz-TR2	the funniest thing is when judaism is referred to as a race
[12:31]	schestowitz-TR2	or even Israel
[12:31]	psydruid	everything that isn't "royal french" is considered backward
[12:31]	schestowitz-TR2	where there's like dozens of very different ethnicities
[12:31]	schestowitz-TR2	including palestinian arabs
[12:31]	schestowitz-TR2	psydruid: well, royal English can be German
[12:31]	schestowitz-TR2	or Greek
[12:32]	schestowitz-TR2	in the case of our deceased 'king'
[12:32]	psydruid	even though French is like the furthest from all other Romance languages
[12:32]	psydruid	it barely sounds like one
[12:32]	techrights-news	The EPOs French dictator, Benot Vichy #Battistelli , might be relieved to hear that his enabler in the adjacent #Switzerland also enlisted armed bullies to keep the population down (the father of #AntnioCampinos might know a thing or two about those; its why he fled to #France ) http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/swiss-armed-bullies/
[12:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] Swiss Alexandre Benallas | Techrights
[12:33]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #VPN Most People Probably Don't Need A VPN, Experts Now Advise https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211004/07084447693/most-people-probably-dont-need-vpn-experts-now-advise.shtml
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[12:35]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CommonDreams #covid19 #patents #monopolies #greed 'Therapeutics Nationalism'? Poor at Risk of Being Left Behind as Rich Buy Up New Covid Drug https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/12/therapeutics-nationalism-poor-risk-being-left-behind-rich-buy-new-covid-drug
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[12:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Therapeutics Nationalism'? Poor at Risk of Being Left Behind as Rich Buy Up New Covid Drug
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[12:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Powerful Linux laptop RTX 3080 Kubuntu Focus Gen 3 M2 workstation | Tux Machines
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[12:46]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #police #Alabama Supreme Court Rules Law Enforcement Can Withhold Almost All Records Indefinitely https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210926/12064047634/alabama-supreme-court-rules-law-enforcement-can-withhold-almost-all-records-indefinitely.shtml took SPD 9 months to hand over #billgates record (arrest at home) http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/
[12:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alabama Supreme Court Rules Law Enforcement Can Withhold Almost All Records Indefinitely | Techdirt
[12:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights
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[12:49]	techrights-news	#google will 'protect' us from #microsoft to the same degree or extent one tax-evading oligarch will 'protect' us from other tax-evading oligarchs. They have shared interests, overlapping agenda, similar funding sources.
[12:50]	techrights-news	Don't say "Big tech" (it's #microsoft that made us that term), say #pentagon tech. This is who, at the end of the day, they all work for and sometimes received subsidies from (they don't call it subsidies as that would enrage taxpayers whom they harm anyway) http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
[12:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights
[12:52]	techrights-news	Any media outlet that still publishes "Bill says" pieces deserves the same condemnation as publishers with "Jimmy Savile likes" or "Jeffrey Esptein (the 'genius') thinks" or "Bill Cosby reads" or "R Kelly prepares new album" puff pieces http://techrights.org/2021/05/10/melinda-sickened-by-bill/
[12:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | According to the Wall Street Journal, Bill Gatess Relationship with Jeffrey Epstein Caused the Bill-Melinda Divorce (While the Media Deflected to Dr. Stallman, Using a Phony Scandal) | Techrights
[12:53]	techrights-news	Of course #billBC will keep shilling for #billgates without even mentioning his name, e.g. deflection ('prince' Andrew) and shilling his investments: #monsanto and various vaccine #patent pools, to name a couple among many http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique
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[12:57]	schestowitz-TR2	gm
[12:57]	DaemonFC	Morning.
[12:57]	DaemonFC	So I figured out MTU persistency.
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[12:58]	DaemonFC	You can just put a shell script in to make it run the ip command and set MTU on the adapters by name when NetworkManager brings the interface up.
[12:58]	DaemonFC	It's Linux, so thanks to Red Hat you might as well be looking up documentation for Windows 95 if the article is more than a year old.
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[12:59]	schestowitz-TR2	NetworkManager is gnome-ish
[12:59]	DaemonFC	They shuffle things around, you have no idea how it works this year. What you were doing before is wrong now due to reasons.
[12:59]	schestowitz-TR2	and very red hat-dominated
[12:59]	DaemonFC	KDE uses it too.
[12:59]	schestowitz-TR2	yes
[12:59]	schestowitz-TR2	I know
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[13:00]	schestowitz-TR2	but it was not made for kde
[13:00]	schestowitz-TR2	in fact, ibm abandoned kde
[13:00]	DaemonFC	Nope, it's GNOME's world and they just live in it now.
[13:00]	schestowitz-TR2	shortly after saying it would buy Red Hat
[13:00]	schestowitz-TR2	kde is very german and european
[13:00]		*activelow tries falkon browser next
[13:00]	schestowitz-TR2	gnome is a bit latin
[13:00]	schestowitz-TR2	and very ibm-controlled
[13:00]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, Well, I had to figure out this MTU thing because NordVPN isn't as smart as it is on Windows in some ways.
[13:01]	DaemonFC	In Windows, it sets the MTU for the adapter to be the same as for the NordLynx interface to make sure the packets aren't immediately getting fragmented before they even leave your computer.
[13:02]	DaemonFC	While MTU 1500 is usually right for most networks like cable, it can be disastrous for LTE/5G networks.
[13:02]	DaemonFC	They don't like it. 1420 is usually right, at least with T-Mobile, although I am told it depends on the region.
[13:03]	activelow	with wireguard setup here, 1420 is correctly configured for wg0 interface without any additional tweak
[13:03]	activelow	on linux
[13:04]	techrights-news	#ProprietarySoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156721 #TuxMachines
[13:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
[13:04]	techrights-news	#Hardware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156722 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hardware Leftovers | Tux Machines
[13:05]	DaemonFC	The MTU for the adapter itself has to be set too, otherwise the underlying connection won't be stable.
[13:05]	techrights-news	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156723 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[13:05]	DaemonFC	I've tested this and not setting matching values causes issues.
[13:06]	activelow	depends, pmtu discovery, among other things (up to tcp and mss)
[13:06]	DaemonFC	Path MTU discovery is off by default on Debian.
[13:06]	activelow	iirc PMTU depends on ICMP, and if any hop doesn't respond then pmtu fails
[13:07]	DaemonFC	From the documentation I've read, it appears that it can cause problems itself sometimes.
[13:07]	DaemonFC	Windows has it on by default.
[13:07]	DaemonFC	Software can be "too smart for its own good".
[13:07]	activelow	some routers/firewalls my disable ip-fragmentation, which if too pmtu isn't possible cuts connectivity
[13:08]	DaemonFC	In Windows 98, I was tweaking the MTU, because Microsoft was setting it to values appropriate for a WAN when you were using dial up.
[13:08]	DaemonFC	:)
[13:09]	DaemonFC	Fragged packets were a particular pain in the ass on dial up because it was already very slow.
[13:09]	DaemonFC	Anything you could possibly do to speed it up make a night and day difference.
[13:11]	techrights-news	Links 13/10/2021: #Firefox Keylogger on (By Default), GNOME Platform Design Discussed http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/firefox-keylogger/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/13/firefox-keylogger/
[13:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/10/2021: Firefox Keylogger on (By Default), GNOME Platform Design Discussed | Techrights
[13:12]	techrights-news	Excuse me, your memory is leaking. #GNOME Software running in the background, taking hundreds of MB of RAM. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/excuse-me-your-memory-is-leaking-gnome-software-running-in-the-background-taking-hundreds-of-mb-of-ram/ #gnu #linux
[13:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Excuse me, your memory is leaking. GNOME Software running in the background, taking hundreds of MB of RAM. BaronHK's Rants
[13:14]	techrights-news	" #PostgreSQL Partition Manager (pg_partman) v4.6.0 has been released." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_partman-460-released-2326/ #deletegithub #microsoft #monopoly #ProprietarySoftware http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github
[13:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: pg_partman 4.6.0 released
[13:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights
[13:15]	techrights-news	#PGConf NYC 2021 Sessions Announced, Last Week for Early Bird! https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgconf-nyc-2021-sessions-announced-last-week-for-early-bird-2327/ #psql #postgres #postgresql
[13:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: PGConf NYC 2021 Sessions Announced, Last Week for Early Bird!
[13:16]	techrights-news	"I am extremely excited to announce the first stable release of #Psycopg 3!" https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/psycopg-30-released-2328/ #freesw #psql #postgres #postgresql
[13:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: Psycopg 3.0 released
[13:16]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, Firefox Suggest is simply the worst idea I've ever seen come out of Mozilla. In their response to Bleeping Computer, they don't even categorically deny collecting personally identifiable information or the possibility of forwarding it to the advertising company. In fact, they admit they store it on Mozilla's servers for 24 hours and run an automatic process (code on Microsoft GitHub) to attempt to strip it before forwarding it 
[13:16]	DaemonFC	to the advertiser. Regardless of whether this can be done reliably, 100% of the time, this thing is bad stuff. 
[13:17]	DaemonFC	And it won't be reliable 100 percent of the time, so at least sometimes there will be personally identifiable information forwarded to the advertiser.
[13:17]	techrights-news	How about #deleteMicrosoft and use REAL #email and a proper mail client, not #microsoft infamous "mail destroyer" (it kills whole boxes, not just legit messages misflagged)? https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/outlook-sending-emails-to-junk-folder/
[13:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | How to fix Outlook keeps sending emails to Junk or Spam Folder
[13:18]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: mozilla is run by liar
[13:18]	schestowitz-TR2	always assume the worst
[13:18]	schestowitz-TR2	and the more nefarious
[13:18]	schestowitz-TR2	do not assume goodwill anymore
[13:18]	schestowitz-TR2	it's run by foaming-at-the-mouth surveillance capitalists
[13:18]	schestowitz-TR2	look at their board
[13:18]	DaemonFC	Firefox Pocket "Sponsored Stories" was the camel's nose in the tent. They claimed the thing would run client-side and then pull down these ads straight from Mozilla without anyone getting personally identifiable info from you.
[13:18]	DaemonFC	Now this.
[13:18]	schestowitz-TR2	monopolists and misogynists 
[13:18]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.31   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 22.90 swarm size (avg): 260.82  
[13:19]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: you should cover this
[13:19]	DaemonFC	Even Vivaldi isn't this bad, or at least doesn't have to be.
[13:19]	schestowitz-TR2	I can give pointers
[13:19]	schestowitz-TR2	I study every single post in  Planet Mozilla 
[13:19]	schestowitz-TR2	bonus: they deleted many people from Planet Mozilla
[13:19]	DaemonFC	It's easier to make Vivaldi shut up and turn off DRM and Bing, and after that it's just blowing away some default bookmarks.
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR2	often for political reasons alone
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR2	spying? OK.
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR2	Political views? YOU FASCIST!
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR2	don't shill vivalid
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR2	we might come to regret it
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe Microsoft will buy it
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR2	because Edge is a joke
[13:20]	DaemonFC	Yes, Firefox is collapsing.
[13:20]	schestowitz-TR2	iirc, at one point there were rumours about Microsoft buying Opera
[13:21]	DaemonFC	There aren't too many more Firefox users at this point than Vivaldi.
[13:21]	schestowitz-TR2	but maybe I remember it wrong, it was a long long time ago
[13:21]	schestowitz-TR2	let's send firefox users to freesw browsers
[13:21]	DaemonFC	Vivaldi is still a niche browser that's favored by power users.
[13:21]	schestowitz-TR2	not vivaldis and stuf
[13:21]	schestowitz-TR2	it's another burning platform
[13:21]	schestowitz-TR2	vivaldi will sell
[13:21]	schestowitz-TR2	opera sold to china
[13:21]	DaemonFC	UnGoogled Chromium might be worth a look.
[13:21]	schestowitz-TR2	vivaldi is jon having another go at it
[13:22]	DaemonFC	No sync, but you can backup your passwords to CSV, which is supported by other browsers.
[13:22]	schestowitz-TR2	looking to sell when he herds enough "userbase"
[13:22]	DaemonFC	So you could encrypt them and store the archive on storage you own.
[13:22]	schestowitz-TR2	no, google will pull the rug
[13:22]	schestowitz-TR2	they already do this in numerous ways
[13:22]	schestowitz-TR2	like facebook does to thinks that 'improve' it
[13:22]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe Microsoft can also sue with patents or threaten to re VS Code
[13:23]	schestowitz-TR2	because someone decided to strip the blobs and "Telemetry" < Mozilla loves this term
[13:23]	schestowitz-TR2	Mozilla can suck my big data
[13:23]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, The optometrist I go to still uses Opera 12.
[13:24]	XRevan86	"does discord actually make any money?" <- "Discord Nitro"
[13:24]	DaemonFC	It's a dead platform obviously. Other than a few CVE fixes and new TLS certificates for people stuck on Windows XP, it hasn't been updated since the Chinese bought it.
[13:24]	techrights-news	LHS Episode #434: Linux Install Media Deep Dive https://lhspodcast.info/2021/10/lhs-episode-434-linux-install-media-deep-dive-2/
[13:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lhspodcast.info | LHS Episode #434: Linux Install Media Deep Dive | Linux in the Ham Shack
[13:24]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: https://baronhk.wordpress.com/contact/
[13:24]	schestowitz	put someting there
[13:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Contact BaronHK's Rants
[13:25]	schestowitz	maybe even our irc address or channel
[13:25]	schestowitz	so you can be reached in real time
[13:25]	schestowitz	you leave no way to send you feedback
[13:25]	schestowitz	some people send me messages about your articles
[13:25]	schestowitz	I then relay them to IRC
[13:27]	techrights-news	LOL. Bobby Borisov became a "useful idiot" of #microsoft jusy now. Helping them spam or #googlebomb "LINUX" with their #WSL2 crap, which is an ATTACK on #gnu #linux ... don't be their "useful idiots", people. Skip to the actual news. http://techrights.org/2021/10/05/microsoft-puff-pieces/
[13:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Edge on Linux Puff Pieces and WSL2 Fake Linux | Techrights
[13:28]	techrights-news	#UnGoogled #Chromium update for #Slackware 14.2 and -current | Alien Pastures https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/un-googled-chromium-update-for-slackware-14-2-and-current/ #gnu #linux
[13:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alien.slackbook.org | Un-Googled Chromium update for Slackware 14.2 and -current | Alien Pastures
[13:29]	techrights-news	mintCast 371.5 - Minus One - #mintCast https://mintcast.org/2021/10/13/371-5-minus-one/ #gnu #linux
[13:29]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: mintcast.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mintcast.org/2021/10/13/371-5-minus-one/
[13:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mintcast.org | 371.5 Minus One mintCast
[13:30]	techrights-news	#wsl2 is a dying product. The press has no reason to mention it other than to help #vista11 #marketing spam campaign. http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/ other products that 'silently' died: http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_-_Dead_Divisions_or_Products
[13:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | Techrights
[13:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft - Dead Divisions or Products - Techrights
[13:32]	techrights-news	Even the #wsl2 'devs' (1) have called it quits (the leadership (2)). 1) http://techrights.org/2021/10/05/microsoft-puff-pieces/ 2) http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/the-death-of-wsl-and-wsl2/ #microsoft #wsl
[13:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Death of WSL and WSL2 | Techrights
[13:33]	techrights-news	Old #techrights articles re #wsl http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/WSL WSL is NOT EVEN LINUX!! No Linux in it. It has been around for 4 YEARS! The WSL with Linux in it (2)? No users almost... http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/
[13:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | WSL - Techrights
[13:34]	techrights-news	All those #microsoft spam-loving 'journalists' who write about #wsl2 have no excuse for NOT covering #gnu #linux distros that have VASTLY MORE USERS than #wsl and "2" and "g" combined. But it's #corruptMedia ... it prioritises what pays.
[13:38]	techrights-news	#zdnet 'journaliism' (a clueless git, a dime a dozen): "Microsoft October 2021 Patch Tuesday: 71 vulnerabilities, four zero-days squashed". No mention of #nsa #backdoors because that's 'old news' and Microsoft pays ZDNet for fluff. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet
[13:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights
[13:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights
[13:39]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, I'm writing another one about GNOME Software.
[13:39]	DaemonFC	How the reviews are utterly useless.
[13:39]	techrights-news	Talking about #backdoors is "extreme" because you're not 'supposed' to think they exist. Oh, all right then... even #billBC covered this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34444233
[13:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Edward Snowden interview: 'Smartphones can be taken over' - BBC News
[13:40]	DaemonFC	"Then theres the people who are just outright stupid and give something a bad review just because they dont know why it exists and does what it does, like the guy who complained that ungoogled-chromium doesnt sync to Googles servers."
[13:40]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[13:40]	techrights-news	25 ways you can contribute to #KDE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156724 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 25 ways you can contribute to KDE | Tux Machines
[13:40]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: they are
[13:40]	schestowitz-TR2	"useless"
[13:41]	schestowitz-TR2	like in Amazon
[13:41]	psydruid	they are aimed at "useful Idiots"
[13:41]	psydruid	who can then spread the word of GNOME
[13:42]	psydruid	Abiword of GNOME?
[13:42]	psydruid	I remember when that was a really lightweight text processor
[13:43]	schestowitz-TR2	Abiword
[13:43]	psydruid	and then last year when I tried it it seemed to load more slowly than Libeoffice
[13:43]	schestowitz-TR2	I used it almost 20 years ago
[13:43]	schestowitz-TR2	but I was into latex
[13:43]	schestowitz-TR2	and lyx
[13:43]	psydruid	LibreOffice*
[13:43]	schestowitz-TR2	so Abiword did not interest me much
[13:43]	psydruid	so was I, I only spun it up a few times
[13:43]	schestowitz-TR2	unless I was sent some "bad" file (DOC)
[13:43]	psydruid	and never used it for anything
[13:47]	DaemonFC	"I got ungoogled Chromium and it doesn't send my data to Google!!!!"
[13:47]	DaemonFC	"I demand that it send my data to Google!"
[13:47]	DaemonFC	Uh, okay, run Chrome. It'll send it all to Google.
[13:48]	activelow	loving it: dev-qt/qtgui-5.15.2-r1 ./configure -no-opengl -no-egl ... OK. and then during compilation phase: "ERROR: The OpenGL functionality tests failed!"
[13:48]	techrights-news	#Singapore : Withdraw foreign interference #law or risk violating civic freedoms https://www.accessnow.org/singapore-foreign-interference-law/
[13:48]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/singapore-foreign-interference-law/
[13:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Singapore: Withdraw foreign interference law or risk violating civic freedoms - Access Now
[13:48]	activelow	falkon browser depends on qtgui... maybe can be repaired
[13:49]	activelow	the fact that qtgui configure/compile is broken and no other distro had noticed some might want to disable opengl/egl ...
[13:49]	techrights-news	Access Now to Telenors Board: Stop the sale in Myanmar - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/telenor-board-stop-the-sale-myanmar/ #accessnow
[13:49]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/telenor-board-stop-the-sale-myanmar/
[13:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Access Now to Telenors Board: Stop the sale in Myanmar - Access Now
[13:49]	activelow	add to this, there is no benefit for a 2d widget toolkit to depend on opengl and propietary hardware
[13:50]	activelow	sure, worse problems exist, nonetheless
[13:52]	techrights-news	#microsoft employees defaming #techrights again. Links omitted.
[13:52]	techrights-news	When I say employees I mean managers. Poor #microsoft ... we've struck a nerve.
[13:55]	techrights-news	#Singapore s anti-foreign interference law will substantially narrow civic space, rights groups say https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3152161/singapores-anti-foreign-interference-law-will-substantially
[13:56]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: scmp.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3152161/singapores-anti-foreign-interference-law-will-substantially
[13:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scmp.com | Singapores anti-foreign interference law will substantially narrow civic space, rights groups say | South China Morning Post
[13:57]	techrights-news	#AccessNow report holds up poster child #Aadhaar as Big ID bugbear | Biometric Update https://www.biometricupdate.com/202110/access-now-report-holds-up-poster-child-aadhaar-as-big-id-bugbear #biometricupdate https://www.livemint.com/Politics/MEm1Qz7e9nlYiFT3KbSNeK/CIA-may-have-access-to-Aadhaar-data-claims-WikiLeaks-report.html
[13:57]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: biometricupdate.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.biometricupdate.com/202110/access-now-report-holds-up-poster-child-aadhaar-as-big-id-bugbear
[13:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.biometricupdate.com | Access Now report holds up poster child Aadhaar as Big ID bugbear | Biometric Update
[13:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.livemint.com | CIA may have access to Aadhaar data, claims WikiLeaks report, govt denies
[13:57]	MinceR	DaemonFC: lol
[13:57]	techrights-news	Is #Australia becoming a #surveillance state? | IT PRO https://www.itpro.co.uk/security/privacy/361191/is-australia-becoming-a-surveillance-state do bears poop in the woods?
[13:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Is Australia becoming a surveillance state? | IT PRO
[13:59]	activelow	very strange, qtgui configure script accepts no-opengl and no-egl, and then some configure check fails; repaired this now.
[13:59]	activelow	suspect the compilation phase will break or any dependency linking against qtgui later.
● Oct 13
[14:00]	activelow	i'll know soon
[14:00]	activelow	compiling ...
[14:03]	techrights-news	Life Changing Virtualization | #LINUXUnplugged 427 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/146427/life-changing-virtualization-linux-unplugged-427/ #gnu #linux
[14:03]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/146427/life-changing-virtualization-linux-unplugged-427/
[14:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Life Changing Virtualization | LINUX Unplugged 427 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[14:04]	psydruid	activelow, I am getting more convinced that qt is bloat and should die and be replaced
[14:04]	MinceR	it is
[14:05]	MinceR	it was already bloated when they put half a window manager in it to support wayland
[14:05]	MinceR	it got worse when they put 2 whole web browsers in it
[14:07]	psydruid	and then they never took them out again, I suppose
[14:07]	MinceR	maybe they took out the older of the 2 browsers
[14:07]	MinceR	already
[14:08]	samiamsam	yo
[14:08]	schestowitz-TR2	0/
[14:09]	samiamsam	:)
[14:09]	techrights-news	Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, mintCast, Linux in the Ham Shack http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156725 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, mintCast, Linux in the Ham Shack | Tux Machines
[14:09]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156726 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[14:10]	techrights-news	"Developed Brawsome emailed to note that their space sci-fi adventure Warp Frontier will be releasing for #Linux (and macOS) in November following the Windows release in late September." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/space-sci-fi-point-and-click-adventure-warp-frontier-releases-for-linux-in-november
[14:10]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/space-sci-fi-point-and-click-adventure-warp-frontier-releases-for-linux-in-november
[14:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Space sci-fi point and click adventure Warp Frontier releases for Linux in November | GamingOnLinux
[14:11]	techrights-news	"After the initial release back in July, No Longer Home from Humble Grove and Fellow Traveller has launched the GNU/Linux version. Funded on Kickstarter back in 2018, the original plan was to have #GNU #Linux support so it's good to see it land." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/magical-realist-point-and-click-adventure-no-longer-home-now-on-linux
[14:11]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/magical-realist-point-and-click-adventure-no-longer-home-now-on-linux
[14:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Magical realist point and click adventure No Longer Home now on Linux | GamingOnLinux
[14:14]	techrights-news	Dont penalise cybersecurity researchers! https://internetfreedom.in/dont-penalise-cybersecurity-researchers/ #internetfreedom #india #in
[14:14]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/dont-penalise-cybersecurity-researchers/
[14:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-internetfreedom.in | Dont penalise cybersecurity researchers!
[14:14]	techrights-news	No mention of #microsoft #windows at all? https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/germ-term-but-all-year-how-criminals-are-hacking-schools/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/
[14:14]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: pentestpartners.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/germ-term-but-all-year-how-criminals-are-hacking-schools/
[14:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pentestpartners.com | Germ-term, but all year. How criminals are hacking schools | Pen Test Partners
[14:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights
[14:15]	activelow	yep... qtgui is completely broken without opengl/egl -> blacklisted
[14:15]	techrights-news	"Back in 2007, I called this the war on the unexpected. Its why see something, say something doesnt work. If you put amateurs in the front lines of security, dont be surprised when you get amateur security. I have lots of examples." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/10/airline-passenger-mistakes-vintage-camera-for-a-bomb.html
[14:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Airline Passenger Mistakes Vintage Camera for a Bomb - Schneier on Security
[14:19]	techrights-news	Last month Simon Sharwood carried on with his trolling of #torvalds and his Linux FUD. Now he's shilling #microsoft ATTACK on #gnu #linux (named "WSL") http://techrights.org/2021/09/13/simon-says/
[14:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Register Cannot Stop Trolling Linus Torvalds (It Recently Corrected Falsehoods in the Headlines, But No Lessons Have Been Learned) | Techrights
[14:26]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/microsoft-and-cnet-confuse-users-with-fake-this-pc-cant-run-windows-11-errors-suggest-buying-a-completely-new-computer/
[14:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Microsoft and CNET confuse users with fake This PC cant run Windows 11 errors. Suggest buying a completely new computer. BaronHK's Rants
[14:26]	schestowitz-TR2	ha
[14:26]	schestowitz-TR2	they still trot out that crap
[14:26]	activelow	putting the puzzle together: gtk (and qt) both depend on X11, gtk2/directfb is broken, gtk3/directfb is entirely gone
[14:27]	activelow	both qt and gtk3 depend on opengl, while gtk3 does cleanly compile without opengl at least, qtgui doesn't at all
[14:28]	psydruid	what is the gtk2 codebase like?
[14:28]	psydruid	is there anything of value in it?
[14:28]	activelow	although X11 does not pull in proprietary crap (with opengl), gtk3(fixed) and qt(not fixed, not feasible) do pull in the crap
[14:28]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, Added...."Fake Windows security is something that appeals to Pointy Haired Bosses and open source posers like Matthew Garrett. Don't let yourself be confused by the hype."
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[14:29]	techrights-news	#Games: Warp Frontier, Space Crew: Legendary Edition, No Longer Home, Doom Fighters http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156727 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Warp Frontier, Space Crew: Legendary Edition, No Longer Home, Doom Fighters | Tux Machines
[14:29]	techrights-news	#Microsoft and CNET confuse users with fake This PC cant run Windows 11 errors. Suggest buying a completely new computer. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156728 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft and CNET confuse users with fake This PC cant run Windows 11 errors. Suggest buying a completely new computer. | Tux Machines
[14:29]	activelow	of cause, it is not a problem to compile and merge all this, it has become impossible if proprietary crap is forbidden
[14:30]	DaemonFC	"Windows itself is basically Pointy Haired Boss OS, and entire careers are minted from all the trouble it causes to organizations which "standardize" on it."
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: you give too much publicity/credit to a loser
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	people whose accomplishment is attacking society are better off forgotten
[14:30]	activelow	psydruid: gtk2 is mostly abandoned nowadays, few weeks ago libreoffice dropped gtk2 support
[14:30]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza
[14:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Miguel de Icaza - Techrights
[14:30]	activelow	a major difference of gtk2 was: no opengl dependency by default,
[14:30]	schestowitz	don't worry, they make enough money from the criminals
[14:31]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza
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[14:31]	psydruid	activelow, what about applications that still use it? are there any valuable ones keeping around?
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[14:31]	schestowitz	<http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/
[14:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights
[14:31]	schestowitz	at the end people learn the facts
[14:31]	schestowitz	like with EPO
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[14:31]	schestowitz	and all the rogues are avoided like lepers
[14:31]	schestowitz	then we move on with our lives 
[14:31]	schestowitz	Torvalds is back
[14:31]	schestowitz	(limited capacity)
[14:31]	schestowitz	RMS too
[14:31]	psydruid	that's why MATE is still somewhat fast
[14:31]	schestowitz	and we find ways around the neo-Maoists
[14:32]	activelow	psydruid: gimp (which is gtk3 already), netsurf (supports both gtk2 and gtk3), maybe some GUI TeX frontend such as Gummi
[14:32]	schestowitz	psydruid: it needs to delete github iirc
[14:32]	psydruid	even though they have probably moved to gtk3 by now as well
[14:32]	schestowitz	a lot of mind things are outsourced to Microsoft, though it predates the takeover
[14:33]	activelow	Gnu/Linux GUI desktop was ruined
[14:33]	psydruid	Miguel De Riqueza
[14:33]	schestowitz-TR2	now we have also a Guido de Icaza
[14:33]	activelow	it is fully locked into proprietary opengl now, even if llvm/clan softpipe exists, it's crap
[14:33]	schestowitz-TR2	shilling proprietary software for money
[14:33]	schestowitz-TR2	a shame
[14:33]	schestowitz-TR2	he could retire with respect and disgnity
[14:33]	schestowitz-TR2	he's 64 iirc
[14:34]	psydruid	activelow, thanks for your answers
[14:34]	psydruid	the way I see it is that new libraries and new applications should be written
[14:35]	psydruid	otherwise you are dependent on a drug dealer giving you "apps", if you are willing to sell your soul
[14:35]	activelow	oh, i see, gimp sticked to gtk2 here >=x11-libs/gtk+-2.24.32:2
[14:35]	techrights-news	#qt blog shilling #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware today. Not good, not good at all. Shilling their own is one thing; shilling for Microsoft, with #surveillance added, is a terrible sign.
[14:35]	activelow	that's ok, so gimp is safe for now
[14:35]	activelow	libreoffice-5.x should be safe too
[14:36]	psydruid	benevolent dictators who are also grifting as a career
[14:36]	psydruid	the best of both worlds
[14:36]	activelow	gummi tex editor, an older version in gentoo tree is gtk2, latest version is gtk3
[14:37]	psydruid	we lost track of things over time thinking that gtk and qt were the only toolkits when there should have been more to keep these honest
[14:37]	techrights-news	#zdnet and its sister site #techrepublic keep telling us (even today; links omitted) MASTER, MASTERING etc. Even after #ibm and #microsoft paid them to say to readers that it's racist. Because, you see... it's OK for them to say it. But community? Community is racist. http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Racism
[14:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights
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[14:38]	psydruid	but I say they have been playing a number on a gullible free software community that didn't see the dangers until it was too late
[14:38]	psydruid	or where the formerly free software community was co-opted and pulled into corporations so there wasn't any outside community left
[14:38]	activelow	X11 itself recently locked into evdev, which i did block too, for now
[14:39]	activelow	so, this is what remained: X11/gtk2 and some legacy gtk2 apps disappearing from the gentoo tree
[14:39]	activelow	qt5 is gone already
[14:39]	techrights-news	#gnu #linux distro from #italy , #openmamba 20211012, is out. I like how their site says "Free software" http://openmamba.org/
[14:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openmamba.org | openmamba
[14:40]	psydruid	what also bothers me is how a lot of applications are locked into certain toolkits
[14:40]		*activelow cannot believe it
[14:40]	psydruid	if the toolkit dies, the application dies with it
[14:41]	activelow	they effectively killed free and opensource linux desktop if opengl/systemd/.. are blacklisted
[14:43]	techrights-news	"ZDNet Academy" = misleading euphemism for #zdnet SPAM SECTION. They even misuse the term "Academy" to whiten their SPAM. #boycottzdnet ... it needs to be burned to the ground; #microsoft propaganda machine http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet
[14:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights
[14:43]	activelow	i am willing to listen to any argument, if opengl vendor lock-in was either necessary or desireable
[14:44]	activelow	in any case, it is fact. and my opinion is this: it is not desireable, and it certainly was not necessary to do it.
[14:44]	techrights-news	#SparkyLinux 2021.10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156729 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sparky 2021.10 | Tux Machines
[14:46]	psydruid	but what if you actually do need 3d graphics?
[14:46]	techrights-news	"When the pandemic struck, most organizations had no choice but to accelerate their digital technology adoption" or in the case of #ibm (this site's owner) to ACCELERATE THE BRUTAL #layoffs https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/10/digital-transformation-3-myths-pandemic-busted
[14:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Digital transformation: 3 myths the pandemic busted | The Enterprisers Project
[14:47]	activelow	i do remember GNU was considering to implement some replacement for llvm/clang mesa-opengl
[14:47]	activelow	the problem i see is this: the strong dependency, the hard lock-in
[14:48]	techrights-news	"The point of such policies is to educate people on organizational rules and the habits of good security hygiene." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/10/security-policy-how-to-create don't ask #ibm #redhat for advice on #security http://techrights.org/2021/01/30/fake-security/
[14:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | How to create an effective security policy: 6 tips | The Enterprisers Project
[14:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security is Still a Real Problem, Even in the GNU/Linux (and BSD) Spheres | Techrights
[14:48]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/784694.jpg
[14:48]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/784694.jpg
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[14:48]	psydruid	 is there any graphics solution for 3d that doesn't rely on millions of lines of obfuscated source code and closed firmware?
[14:48]	MinceR	maybe an unaccelerated one
[14:49]	activelow	llvm/clang is BSD(?) licensed, ok. people want to use it, ok. it is bloated and slow and fat, a matter of taste, ok. what i do not accept is it being *enforced* as strong dependency to keep gnu/linux desktop.
[14:49]	psydruid	apart from lima, panfrost and the likes that were developed after a long time of reverse engineering
[14:49]	schestowitz-TR2	MinceR: ha
[14:49]	schestowitz-TR2	no idea with this "boi" thing is
[14:49]	schestowitz-TR2	I can guess
[14:49]	MinceR	:)
[14:49]	activelow	psydruid: with panfrost/lima i only consider the framebuffer provided, opengl is meh.
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[14:50]	psydruid	some people want to play games or use applications for modelling such as freecad or blender
[14:50]	activelow	and it is 2d graphical desktop which insists on opengl now... what a nonsense
[14:51]	techrights-news	Vulkan 1.2.196 Introduces H.265 Encode Extension - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Vulkan-1.2.196-H265-Encode #Phoronix
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[14:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vulkan 1.2.196 Introduces H.265 Encode Extension - Phoronix
[14:51]	gustaf	activelow: if opengl proprietary because you need a license to call it "opengl" ? 
[14:51]	activelow	even ancient i486 CPU could render 2D without any "acceleration" at all
[14:51]	activelow	gustaf: the hardware
[14:51]	gustaf	ah ok 
[14:51]	techrights-news	#Mesa 21.3 Fixes Issue Of Some Games Having Transparency Issues Under #Wayland - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-21.3-Fixes-Wayland-Trans #Phoronix #Linux #Graphics
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[14:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa 21.3 Fixes Issue Of Some Games Having Transparency Issues Under Wayland - Phoronix
[14:51]	activelow	and remember, how long it took to reverse-engineer the binary shit for panfrost/lima?
[14:52]	activelow	which shouldn't at least be required to do, for some 2d gnu/linux graphical desktop.
[14:54]	psydruid	do you believe gnu/linux desktop developers sided with the hardware industry to conspire against users?
[14:54]	techrights-news	DAMON Extended To Offer Physical Memory Address Space Monitoring - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=DAMON-Physical-Monitoring #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 
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[14:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DAMON Extended To Offer Physical Memory Address Space Monitoring - Phoronix
[14:54]	activelow	psydruid: some did
[14:54]	psydruid	forcing hardware upgrades where there was no need for it?
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[14:55]	techrights-news	#Loongson Volleys Latest Patches For #LoongArch Linux Support - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LoongArch-Linux-v5 #cn #Linux #china
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[14:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Loongson Volleys Latest Patches For LoongArch Linux Support - Phoronix
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[14:56]	gustaf	good overview of sound historically on Linux and FreeBSD https://lobste.rs/s/moflv5/freebsd_audio_from_perspective_happy#c_mqvroo
[14:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lobste.rs | FreeBSD audio from a perspective of a happy user | Lobsters
[14:56]	psydruid	I think it's damning that people can be bribed so easily to benefit only themselves at the expense of the many
[14:56]	activelow	this is what i'll do next: blacklist gtk3,qt5, opengl/mesa are blacklisted already, and keep X11/gtk2 only and whatever remaining deserves maintenance
[14:57]	techrights-news	#AMD Radeon RX 6600 Linux Performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156732 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Radeon RX 6600 Linux Performance | Tux Machines
[14:57]	techrights-news	#Graphics: OpenCL, Mesa, Vulkan http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156733 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: OpenCL, Mesa, Vulkan | Tux Machines
[14:57]	activelow	and from there no upgrade path remains anyymore for linux gui desktop
[14:57]	activelow	this is what i mean, tuxmachines, advertising this shit]
[14:57]	techrights-news	7.4M #IOPS Achieved Per-Core With Newest Linux Patches - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=7.4M-IOPS-Linux-Per-Core #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/10/13/#latest
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[14:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-7.4M IOPS Achieved Per-Core With Newest Linux Patches - Phoronix
[14:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[14:57]	samiamsam	activelow: you use btrfs?
[14:57]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: which one, mesa?
[14:58]	schestowitz-TR2	mesa isn't the worst of our problems
[14:58]	schestowitz-TR2	tuxmachines also mentions proprietary games
[14:58]	schestowitz-TR2	helps starve windows
[14:58]	activelow	wishthinking
[14:58]	activelow	samiamsam: no
[14:59]	schestowitz-TR2	you might be right
● Oct 13
[15:00]	schestowitz-TR2	because windows kills itself
[15:00]	schestowitz-TR2	so we might not need to worry about steam drm shite
[15:00]	activelow	i am not opposing steam, if anyone desires this
[15:01]	activelow	problem is almost the entire linux gui desktop was locked into proprietary vendor extensions and opengl, which i do not accept
[15:01]	activelow	opengl, ok. but not as a hard requirement
[15:01]	schestowitz-TR2	i see..
[15:01]	activelow	strong dependency
[15:01]	schestowitz-TR2	not just in kde?
[15:01]	schestowitz-TR2	and in gnome?
[15:02]	samiamsam	activelow: rsync?
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR2	their toolkits are to blame
[15:02]	activelow	almost all of it is gone except for x11/gtk2 and what remains with it
[15:02]	activelow	samiamsam: ? rsync isn't a gui desktop component.
[15:03]	techrights-news	#Kernel: Performance, Chinese Hardware, and DAMON http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156734 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Performance, Chinese Hardware, and DAMON | Tux Machines
[15:03]	samiamsam	activelow: i mean, do you use rsync?
[15:03]	activelow	why?
[15:03]	activelow	and sure, rsync is necessary.
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[15:04]	techrights-news	#Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156731 #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[15:05]	techrights-news	#Adobe Gives a Free PDF Editor for Google Chrome and Edge Users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156730 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Adobe Gives a Free PDF Editor for Google Chrome and Edge Users | Tux Machines
[15:05]	activelow	schestowitz-TR2: there is no upgrade path remaining anymore
[15:06]	psydruid	if you remove mesa the 2d desktop breaks?
[15:06]	techrights-news	#google lies https://www.techradar.com/news/google-dismisses-claims-android-smartphones-snoop-on-users
[15:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google dismisses claims Android smartphones snoop on users | TechRadar
[15:07]	samiamsam	activelow: you can send me your rootfs over rsync
[15:08]	activelow	psydruid: not everything, qtgui breaks, gtk3 by default insists on opengl (can be fixed)
[15:08]	psydruid	I'm not sure I care about qtgui that much anymore
[15:08]	schestowitz-TR2	https://nitter.eu/GATETA30/status/1448283260543451138#m
[15:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | GATETA30 (@GATETA30): "93/100: Aqu se puede ver y analizar una extensa lista de datos y una cronologa de todas las irregularidades relacionadas con la Fundacin Bill y Melinda Gates:http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique" | nitter
[15:08]	psydruid	I have only one of my systems still running KDE Plasma
[15:08]	samiamsam	activelow: rsync to d@cryptonomic.net:public_rsync/
[15:09]	psydruid	and don't indent to put it on anything older
[15:09]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/agi
[15:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - AGI
[15:09]		*schestowitz-TR2 does not know what the above says
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR2	MinceR:  Hey GI!!
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR2	"wanna have fun?"
[15:10]	psydruid	Here you can see and analyze an extended list of dates (or data) and a chronology of all the irregularities related to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR2	thanks!
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR2	that was mins ago
[15:11]	schestowitz-TR2	earlier today I forgot what I had been planning to write
[15:11]	schestowitz-TR2	2 hours later I am still trying to recall; I just know it's not important
[15:11]		*schestowitz-TR2 needs to take more notes to offload thoughts onto 'paper'
[15:11]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC has been quiet, maybe he's typing
[15:12]	psydruid	That's good, he's been very productive lately
[15:12]	schestowitz-TR2	yeah
[15:12]		*activelow departs for a short nap
[15:12]	schestowitz-TR2	many channels active today, so my mind is all cluttered
[15:12]	schestowitz-TR2	all I can do is take more notes
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[15:13]	psydruid	I am getting the idea the channels are more active than they were on Freenode
[15:13]	techrights-news	#documentfoundation os #libreoffice working to improve #accessibility https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/10/13/tender-to-implement-c-accessibility-tests-202110-01/ #freesw
[15:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Tender to implement C++ accessibility tests (#202110-01) - The Document Foundation Blog
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR2	the log for this channel alone was almost 1mb yesterday
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR2	the channels were also very busy 10+ years ago
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR2	back then more people used irc
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR2	during the days of flux over irc networks it was also very busy
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR2	almost 100 online users 'here' (but in freenode)
[15:14]	schestowitz-TR2	but a lot of noise too
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR2	and people fighting, which helps nobody
[15:17]	techrights-news	#ibm #redhat de-commoditising #containers https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/sudo-rootless-podman #vendorLockin
[15:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Why can't I use sudo with rootless Podman? | Enable Sysadmin
[15:18]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.06   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.66 swarm size (avg): 260.80  
[15:19]	techrights-news	#ibm #redhat : CANCEL the founder of GNU!!!! Also IBM, Red Hat, today: we LOVE GNU! It's OURS! ALL MINE! https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/10/13/printf-style-debugging-using-gdb-part-2
[15:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Printf-style debugging using GDB, Part 2 | Red Hat Developer
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[15:20]	activelow	samiamsam: what would you want with the rootfs?
[15:20]	schestowitz-TR2	make me a sanwich
[15:20]	schestowitz-TR2	*sand
[15:20]	schestowitz-TR2	!!
[15:21]		*MinceR casts Baleful Polymorph
[15:21]	MinceR	you are now a sandwich.
[15:21]	schestowitz-TR2	sudo su sandwich
[15:21]		*schestowitz-TR2 is now known as sandwich
[15:21]		*sandwich is now known as sandwitz
[15:21]	MinceR	lol
[15:23]	techrights-news	#Archman 20211012 is out. #gnu #linux http://archman.org/ #turkey #tr
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[15:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archman.org | Archman GNU/Linux
[15:25]	techrights-news	#Archcraft October Release Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156735 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Archcraft October Release Available | Tux Machines
[15:26]	samiamsam	activelow: i would try to boot it
[15:26]	techrights-news	Igor Seletskiy Steps Down to Assure #AlmaLinux Independence - FOSS Force https://fossforce.com/2021/10/igor-seletskiy-steps-down-to-assure-almalinux-independence/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=igor-seletskiy-steps-down-to-assure-almalinux-independence @brideoflinux from @fossforce has been watching them closely... #clownlinux
[15:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Igor Seletskiy Steps Down to Assure AlmaLinux Independence - FOSS Force
[15:28]	techrights-news	Latest #RedHat #IBM corporate plunder of #feminism as a movement https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/celebrating-ada-lovelace-4-career-lessons-women-technology IBM sexism: http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Sexism
[15:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Celebrating Ada Lovelace with 4 career lessons from women in technology
[15:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights
[15:30]	techrights-news	#ibm #redhat pushing #vendorLockin such as #Ansible under the guise of #kubernetes training https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/kube-example-expands-training-curriculum-new-learning-paths-kubernetes-developers
[15:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Kube by Example expands training curriculum with new learning paths for Kubernetes developers
[15:31]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Facebook said my news comment goes against their standard. I said I hope that since the Taliban don't want American help in dealing with ISIS, that they enjoy being beheaded themselves when the even more fanatical Muslims eventually destroy them.
[15:31]	DaemonFC	I wonder who I offended. ISIS, or the Taliban.
[15:31]	MinceR	(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/cute-baby-animal-photos-26.jpg
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[15:31]	sandwitz	you triggered "bad words"
[15:31]	sandwitz	those words can trigger people
[15:32]	sandwitz	did you add "content waning"?
[15:32]	sandwitz	of course it has been proven they do not work
[15:32]	sandwitz	in fact, they entice people to click and/or read on
[15:32]	sandwitz	DaemonFC: why did you mention "bad words"
[15:32]	sandwitz	"THOSE BAD WORDS... they just WO'T GO AWAY"
[15:32]	sandwitz	#FreeBritney
[15:32]	sandwitz	#LeaveBritneyAlone
[15:34]	gustaf	schestowitz: was the raw log 1MB, or the generated one? 
[15:34]	sandwitz	html
[15:34]	sandwitz	I can check the output report
[15:34]	sandwitz	it comes up 4am
[15:34]	sandwitz	I have it automated fully
[15:35]	sandwitz	the code is in gemini://
[15:35]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/facebook-insulting-the-taliban-will-get-you-talibanned/
[15:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Facebook: Insulting the Taliban will get you Talibanned. BaronHK's Rants
[15:35]	schestowitz	gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/IRC/
[15:36]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: nice play of word
[15:37]	techrights-news	#facebook is like #twitter ... protecting extremists. Recently, #trump lawyers made an argument that's unfortunately legit (sitting US president banned, Taliban... OK!) https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/facebook-insulting-the-taliban-will-get-you-talibanned/
[15:38]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, "Regardless, I think we ought to really thank Facebook for creating a safe space for pigdogs who rape 12 year olds."
[15:38]	sandwitz	don't worry
[15:38]	sandwitz	I'm sure they'll marry them later
[15:38]	sandwitz	to spite their heads
[15:39]	sandwitz	it's not rape if she becomes the bride afterwards
[15:39]	DaemonFC	They don't like pigs, so pigdog seemed appropriate.
[15:39]	DaemonFC	Neither one is a very clean animal.
[15:39]	sandwitz	dogs and pigs are nice
[15:39]	DaemonFC	They both roll around in their own shit.
[15:39]	sandwitz	taliban are not
[15:39]	sandwitz	stop offending dogs and pigs
[15:39]	sandwitz	you can be banned!!
[15:39]	sandwitz	but facebook might look at it differently
[15:39]	sandwitz	you offend head choppers
[15:39]	sandwitz	by comparing them to harmless animals
[15:40]	DaemonFC	Cats obsessively groom themselves.
[15:40]	sandwitz	they do
[15:40]	sandwitz	we like the neighbour's cats
[15:40]	sandwitz	3 of them
[15:40]	sandwitz	rianne interacted with one this morning
[15:40]	DaemonFC	Dogs are like "OH GOOD A PILE OF SHIT! OH BOY, SHIT! I WANNA ROLL IN SHIT! PLEASE LET ME ROLL IN THE SHIT!"
[15:40]	sandwitz	they come to our garden and hang around, 
[15:41]	sandwitz	not buying a dog yet
[15:41]	DaemonFC	I was constantly giving our dog a bath because my mom would let her out with no leash on and she's come back in after rolling in shit.
[15:41]	sandwitz	dogs are fun in summer
[15:41]	sandwitz	walking them when it's -5 outside... not to fun
[15:41]	sandwitz	*too
[15:41]	DaemonFC	One winter, she came back in the house and i said, "What's that in your mouth?", and she plopped it on the floor.
[15:41]	DaemonFC	A pile of frozen shit. Which I dubbed, the turdcicle. 
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[15:42]	sandwitz	lo, grats
[15:42]		*sandwitz is now known as schestowitz-TR
[15:42]	DaemonFC	Other than that, she was a good dog.
[15:42]	schestowitz-TR	what a bitch
[15:43]	schestowitz	activelow: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=R300-Friday-Night-2021
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[15:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nearly Two Decades Later, ATI Radeon R300 Linux Driver Sees Occasional Improvement - Phoronix
[15:43]	activelow	schestowitz: what would i want with this?
[15:44]	schestowitz-TR	20 years old
[15:44]	schestowitz-TR	non-free
[15:44]	schestowitz-TR	but comes to show it IS possible for companies to 'care'
[15:45]	techrights-news	#IBM , #RedHat , and #AlmaLinux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156736 #GNU #Linux
[15:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM, Red Hat, and AlmaLinux | Tux Machines
[15:45]	techrights-news	#Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156737
[15:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[15:46]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Have you heard of a company called TuxCare?
[15:46]	DaemonFC	I came across them claiming to offer paid EOL support for ancient RHEL and clones.
[15:46]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[15:46]	schestowitz-TR	SJVN shills them
[15:46]	schestowitz-TR	zdnet is 90% spam
[15:47]	DaemonFC	Isn't migrate2rocky.sh easier for at least recent CentOS releases?
[15:47]	schestowitz-TR	[14:43] <techrights-news> "ZDNet Academy" = misleading euphemism for #zdnet SPAM SECTION. They even misuse the term "Academy" to whiten their SPAM. #boycottzdnet ... it needs to be burned to the ground; #microsoft propaganda machine http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet
[15:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights
[15:47]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: rocky I've not tried
[15:47]	schestowitz-TR	and running some random shell script looks iffy
[15:47]	DaemonFC	TuxCare is trying to scare people that CentOS will be "unsupported" when you could just use the migration script to Rocky and get updates for free.
[15:48]	schestowitz-TR	that suggests they are still in early stages
[15:48]	DaemonFC	It just changes your package manager repos around to point to theirs.
[15:48]	DaemonFC	Oracle and Red Hat do the same.
[15:48]	schestowitz-TR	unless you run that on some test box and pray
[15:48]	DaemonFC	To steal each others customers and migrate people off of CentOS.
[15:49]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: they just sign some paperwork
[15:49]	schestowitz-TR	pay loads of money
[15:49]	schestowitz-TR	for SLA
[15:49]	schestowitz-TR	so they can blame someone
[15:49]	DaemonFC	I mean, in theory at least you could go from it being CentOS to RHEL to Oracle to Rocky without even reinstalling the OS.
[15:49]	schestowitz-TR	they rarely open a ticket
[15:49]	schestowitz-TR	it's a huge waste of money
[15:49]	DaemonFC	With those scripts.
[15:49]	schestowitz-TR	just for arse-covering
[15:49]	schestowitz-TR	or "compliance"
[15:50]	DaemonFC	Someone asked me about Pure OS and I had to say I didn't know other than it was based on Debian.
[15:50]	DaemonFC	And why would you do that? What's the benefit? You get their business ambitions in the way of your computing, like Ubuntu.
[15:51]	DaemonFC	They may go bust and there's no easy migration to Debian?
[15:51]	schestowitz-TR	I think there is
[15:51]	schestowitz-TR	maybe not very easy
[15:51]	schestowitz-TR	same for devuan
[15:52]	DaemonFC	The fact that Devuan makes mjg59 hiss makes me want to try it out.
[15:52]	DaemonFC	He implies there's something broken about a system that changes away from 2 million lines of systemd that still hangs on reboot 7 years later.
[15:54]	DaemonFC	It's not very inspiring when you look at the commit log and after Poettering himself, #2 by commits is Kay Sievers, which Linus Torvalds has chewed out over braindead stupid ideas like kdbus.
[15:55]	DaemonFC	They want to take a giant attack surface that has horrible performance chokepoints, and instead of fixing it, shove it into the kernel where it will have to be maintained by somebody else.
[15:55]	DaemonFC	They still want to do that.
[15:55]	DaemonFC	It's not bad enough that dbus is there to begin with.
[15:55]	activelow	my grievance with systemd/dbus : it is being *enforced* almost always, similar to UEFI which is enforced
[15:56]	DaemonFC	mjg59 pretends at security a lot, but with shit like kdbus being proposed, I mean....
[15:56]	DaemonFC	The kernel is already hard to audit. Much of it is code dumps, especially in drivers, with no explanation of how it works.
[15:57]	DaemonFC	With things like kdbus in there, it'll be even harder to audit, and then we're supposed to trust that broken firmware and his idiotic kernel lockdown shit that just breaks the kernel MORE is going to paper over all of that.
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[15:58]	psydruid	reading the Wikipedia article about dbus things are still not that clear to me
[15:58]	DaemonFC	"As a very unfortunate side effect, we're breaking power management, but on the upside at least my paycheck from Microsoft cleared the bank again this week!" - mjg59 on kernel lockdown (not an actual quote)
[15:58]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: devuan is resistance against IBM Hat
[15:58]	schestowitz-TR	the troll got many salaries from IBM Hat
[15:58]	DaemonFC	He's bungling around pretending to make progress in getting Hibernation working again.
[15:59]	psydruid	why is it needed and why couldn't System V message passing be used for that?
[15:59]	schestowitz-TR	he is not a programmer
[15:59]	DaemonFC	But it's clear he has made no actual progress and wouldn't know where to begin.
[15:59]	schestowitz-TR	he's a failed biologist
[15:59]	schestowitz-TR	who messed around with code
[15:59]	psydruid	and why not have something like micro-permissions?
[15:59]	DaemonFC	He keeps blogging that he hit another way to make it not work properly.
[15:59]	activelow	psydruid: dbus does not require any replacement
[15:59]	DaemonFC	It works fine with secure boot turned off or kernel lockdown not on.
● Oct 13
[16:00]	activelow	desktop processes need not to pass messages around
[16:00]	psydruid	activelow, I don't know what purpose it serves
[16:00]	psydruid	this is like Windows with its OLE stuff
[16:00]	schestowitz-TR	people who cannot code join cults, like miguel de icaza and nat friedman
[16:00]	activelow	and certainly doesn't dbus need to hoock into system-auth, network-config, and whatever else there is
[16:00]	activelow	hook
[16:00]	DaemonFC	We need mjg59 to save us from malware. Theoretical malware. When he says it's not theoretical, just look, it ends up being a screen shot involving Windows Boot Manager.
[16:00]	schestowitz-TR	or join "anti-harassment teams" and stuff
[16:01]	DaemonFC	That famous GNU project. Windows Boot Manager.
[16:01]	DaemonFC	On every "Linux" PC. Windows Boot Manager.
[16:01]		*schestowitz-TR preparing Daily Links
[16:01]	psydruid	Grand Unified Windows Boot Manager
[16:02]	activelow	the promis was with such components in place (dbus,systemd,polkit,pulseaudio) user comfort was increased
[16:02]	psydruid	to go where no boot manager has gone before
[16:02]	psydruid	and was it?
[16:02]	activelow	even if, i don't think it does in the end, i do NOT want any of this being enforced, because it has severe disadvantages too
[16:03]	activelow	i rather type some config into .asoundrc or ifconfig up/down something, instead of risking authentication being hijacked by dbus
[16:03]	activelow	when, in parallel web browser too attaches to this message bus
[16:04]	psydruid	so the idea is useful and the implementation is bad?
[16:04]	psydruid	or is the entire idea bad and it shouldn't have existed at all?
[16:04]	activelow	my opinion? I think it is both a bad idea which cannot be implemented without severe problems.
[16:06]	activelow	however, this is not my decision to be made. my decision is this: i do not want it. if anyone else wants this, ok. enforcing this onto those who reject it is criminal.
[16:14]	techrights-news	Links 13/10/2021: #SparkyLinux 2021.10 and New Archcraft http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/sparky-2021-10/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/13/sparky-2021-10/
[16:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/10/2021: Sparky 2021.10 and New Archcraft | Techrights
[16:14]	techrights-news	#Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156738
[16:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[16:15]	techrights-news	#PostgreSQL Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156739
[16:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PostgreSQL Leftovers | Tux Machines
[16:16]	activelow	anyway, uefi and systemd are separate concerns. i reject both of them.
[16:16]	techrights-news	todays leffovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156740 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[16:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[16:16]	techrights-news	#UnGoogled #Chromium and PDF Editor for #Google #Chrome http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156741 #TuxMachines
[16:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Un-Googled Chromium and PDF Editor for Google Chrome | Tux Machines
[16:17]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: the issues are different
[16:17]	schestowitz-TR	also, uefi and 'secure' boot are not the same
[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	uefi has issues with complexity
[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	the bios companies and intel try  to keep workers occupied
[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	so they add more bloat
[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	even if nobody needs it or asked for it
[16:18]	schestowitz-TR	they call it "innovation"
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	system: how about if we also replace [x]?
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	they spread it like a cancer
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	until they get to the kernel
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	and schedulers etc.
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR	by then, maybe zemlin will have torvalds wrapped up in a straitjacket with masking tape on the mouth
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[16:21]	techrights-news	Links 13/10/2021: #SparkyLinux 2021.10 and New Archcraft http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/sparky-2021-10/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/13/sparky-2021-10/
[16:22]	techrights-news	Ha. #watchtroll using "HEY HI" again as placeholder or euphemism for lousy #fakepatents and #swpats ... or ones that are merely program output ("Where We Are on AI Inventorship and Where We Should be Heading")
[16:23]		*Noisytoot (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights
[16:24]	techrights-news	This is framed as a shameless #advertisement instead of actual reporting about a #patent case. #JUVE is a marketing company now, which occasionally lies for lobbyists. https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/koenig-bauer-wins-infringement-case-against-hebenstreit/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Juve
[16:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Koenig & Bauer wins infringement case against Hebenstreit - JUVE Patent
[16:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Juve - Techrights
[16:26]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: if intel staff is bored i had enough work for them
[16:27]	activelow	beginning with, some real science and engineering
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	that's hard
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	it's easier to open a github account
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	they drove out the real scientists
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	who resigned
[16:27]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
[16:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights
[16:31]	techrights-news	"Mr. #Iancu had gutted the #PTAB IPR (inter partes review) part of the AIA by establishing a discretionary-denial regime." http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/10/restoring-america-invents-act.html see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Andrei_Iancu
[16:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Restoring the America Invents Act: legislative measure to defend post-grant review of U.S. patents welcomed by tech industry, patent experts
[16:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Andrei Iancu - Techrights
[16:32]	techrights-news	Instead of #journalism JUVE is now doing ads for #law firms, puff pieces thinly disguised as nothing but "case studies"; JUVE is just a PR agency now https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/hanwha-q-cells-and-hoyng-rokh-monegier-win-cross-border-injunction-against-longi/
[16:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Hanwha Q-Cells and Hoyng ROKH Monegier win cross-border injunction against Longi - JUVE Patent
[16:34]	techrights-news	Misusing the words "IP" (which are both inappropriate for the subject at hand https://www.managingip.com/article/b1tzjl13g93h2k/opinion-tired-of-brexit-the-exhaustion-is-still-to-come
[16:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Opinion: Tired of Brexit? The exhaustion is still to come! | Managing Intellectual Property
[16:36]	techrights-news	#Texas run by corrupt judges who treat their courts like for-profit corporations; the higher #patent courts belatedly tackle this #corruption from the whackos of #Waco http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/10/13/patent-case-in-re-juniper-networks-inc-usa/
[16:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Patent case: In re Juniper Networks Inc., USA - Kluwer Patent Blog
[16:39]	techrights-news	Oh gosh. #fakesecurity on steroids. Yes, let's trust this "third party"; great idea!! https://www.maketecheasier.com/1password-share-passwords-via-secure-link/
[16:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 1Password Now Allows You to Share Passwords via Secure Link - Make Tech Easier
[16:40]	techrights-news	#WallStreet s Takeover of #Nature Advances with Launch of New Asset Class https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/10/investigative-reports/wall-streets-takeover-of-nature-advances-with-launch-of-new-asset-class/ #unlimitedhangout
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[16:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unlimitedhangout.com | Wall Streets Takeover of Nature Advances with Launch of New Asset Class
[16:41]	schestowitz	lol https://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_and_amd_to_patch_the_performance_issues_on_ryzenpowered_windows_11_pcs-news-51403.php
[16:41]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: gsmarena.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_and_amd_to_patch_the_performance_issues_on_ryzenpowered_windows_11_pcs-news-51403.php
[16:41]	schestowitz	da
[16:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft and AMD to patch Ryzen bug on Windows 11 PCs next week - GSMArena.com news
[16:41]	schestowitz-TR	AFTER a release
[16:43]	techrights-news	#uspto #fakepatents #patentTrolls -- #patent on "method and system for interaction between a processor and a power on reset circuit" https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/10/12/prior-art-found-on-heritage-ip-patent
[16:43]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/10/12/prior-art-found-on-heritage-ip-patent
[16:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Prior art found on Heritage IP patent Unified Patents
[16:45]	MinceR	13 165055 < DaemonFC> And why would you do that? What's the benefit? You get their business ambitions in the way of your computing, like Ubuntu.
[16:45]	MinceR	with debian (and every other systemd/Linux distro) you still get ibm's business ambitions in the way of your computing
[16:45]	techrights-news	#europe does not have "IPR rules"; it has laws for patents, copyrights, etc. and they're not "rights; what we have here is lobbying that namedrops "SMEs" and shameless (massive) lies about #upc in the middle https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/the-key-to-innovation @zoobab
[16:45]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: theparliamentmagazine.eu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/the-key-to-innovation
[16:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theparliamentmagazine.eu | Europes IPR rules need to be strengthened to ensure they meet current and future challenges, explains Marion Walsmann
[16:48]	techrights-news	What we basically have here is a #German #EPP MEP frontally attacking small businesses by lying about them while claiming to speak for them. #germany #de #corruption
[16:48]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: ^^
[16:50]	techrights-news	#Softwarepatents #propaganda and other nefarious agenda from #Salesforce disguised as 'journalism' from the voice of #patenttrolls , Patrick Wingrove https://www.managingip.com/article/b1tyqlp2nqkshs/corner-office-podcast-managing-salesforce39s-diverse-ip-needs #swpats
[16:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Corner office podcast: Managing Salesforce's diverse IP needs | Managing Intellectual Property
[16:52]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: thanks. bookmarked, i'll read it later. need some sleep.
[16:52]	schestowitz-TR	kk
[16:53]	activelow	seems full of nonsense. german industry and science outsourced most of theirs elsewhere.
[16:53]	schestowitz-TR	yes, total lies
[16:53]	schestowitz-TR	for big pharma 
[16:53]	schestowitz-TR	and lawyers
[16:54]	activelow	the article doesn't mention pharmacy
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR	the "owners" of the countru
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: of course not
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR	it lies about SMEs
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR	to promote an SME killer
[16:56]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/two-weeks
[16:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Two weeks
[16:58]	techrights-news	#europe does not have IPR rules; it has laws for patents, copyrights, etc. and theyre not "rights; what we have here is lobbying that namedrops SMEs and shameless (massive) lies about #upc in the middle https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/the-key-to-innovation @zoobab
[16:58]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: theparliamentmagazine.eu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/the-key-to-innovation
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[17:01]	techrights-news	And in #zdnet SJVN is again posting #linuxfoundation ads. This is the reason you should #boycottzdnet ... it's tons of paid-for spam, which many people wrongly interpret as news. http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet
[17:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights
[17:03]	techrights-news	A lot of my RSS feeds have become paid-for 'RSS' spam streams because sites are selling out and syndicators treat these line "news". The #www very rapidly become a spam farm. Time to move to #geminiSpace ... where possible.
[17:03]	techrights-news	#LinuxFoundation and Other Diploma Mills Say Theres Demand for Their Products in Their New 'Research' (Marketing) http://techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/
[17:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation and Other Diploma Mills Say Theres Demand for Their Products in Their New Research (Marketing) | Techrights
[17:05]	techrights-news	#sjvn at #zdnet = marketer, not journalist ("...offers low introductory price"). Will he sell lemonade at "low introductory price" when ZDNet folds?
[17:06]	techrights-news	#zdnet is a lot worse than just spam http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/
[17:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights
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[17:10]	techrights-news	#sjvn basically REWROTE this bloody PRESS RELEASE for #zdnet because the anti-Linux Foundation pays ZDNet to do this. It is a DEEPLY COMPROMISED site. It defames people, lies for Microsoft, trolls the community for #ibm https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/devops-bootcamp-to-lower-barrier-to-entry-for-technology-roles-301398428.html
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[17:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | DevOps Bootcamp to Lower Barrier to Entry for Technology Roles
[17:11]	techrights-news	If only this was about operating systems and removing back doors... https://www.stanforddaily.com/2021/10/13/undergraduate-senate/
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[17:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stanforddaily.com | Undergraduate Senate unanimously passes Ubuntu Bill, introducing guidelines for conflict management between student groups | The Stanford Daily
[17:15]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156742 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
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[17:16]	techrights-news	What is the #GNULinux Operating System? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156743 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What is the Linux Operating System? | Tux Machines
[17:16]	techrights-news	#KDE s 25th Anniversary http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156744 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE's 25th Anniversary | Tux Machines
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[17:20]	techrights-news	SPAMnil said SJVN was his "mentor", but I'm not sure if SJVN became a SPAMnil or vice versa. Either way, #linuxfoundation #ibm and #microsoft corrupt people, turning them (using money) into worthless marketers
[17:22]	techrights-news	#redhat 1990s: engineering. #ibm Red Hat: spam and #marketing https://opensource.com/article/21/10/open-source-product-market
[17:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Going to market with an open source product | Opensource.com
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[17:23]	techrights-news	LOL. #redhat on "planned messaging" and "product marketing". #freesw is "product" and get this.... "planned messaging" .... "planned messaging" .... "planned messaging" ... think what that means. Bernays would be proud. #ibm
[17:24]	techrights-news	#redhat : we built #rhel and #fedora ... #ibm : we destroyed/scuttled #fedora community and killed our own #centos http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
[17:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights
[17:25]	techrights-news	5 #markdown editors I recommend trying http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156745 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 markdown editors I recommend trying | Tux Machines
[17:26]	techrights-news	#IBM Attacking Communities/Volunteers (yes, it is a clear pattern) http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Attacking_Communities.2FVolunteers #redhat
[17:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights
[17:28]	techrights-news	The Internet trolls who shield the corporate #monopolies don't want to argue over technical and factual matters. They, along with #microsoft managers (I'm omitting links here), try to turn everything into politics. And later they have the audacity to come up with a "no politics" CoC. The hypocrisy is just astounding. It's all about #censorship and gaslighting. Monopolising all aspects of control.
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[17:29]	techrights-news	I have a colleague who used to say "Google is your friend" (not as a joke). This shows how pervasive corporate propaganda can become.
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[17:32]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/no-jwz-discord-is-not-irc-with-pictures/
[17:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | No, JWZ, Discord is not IRC with pictures. BaronHK's Rants
[17:32]	schestowitz-TR	wot?
[17:32]	schestowitz-TR	did he say/insinuate that?
[17:32]	schestowitz-TR	irc has pictures
[17:33]	schestowitz-TR	you click on their address
[17:33]	schestowitz-TR	so you're not force to get junk
[17:33]	schestowitz-TR	some irc clients can preoad tem
[17:33]	schestowitz-TR	like in gemini
[17:33]	schestowitz-TR	not that it's a desirable feature
[17:34]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Let me tweak this.
[17:36]	schestowitz-TR	ok
[17:36]	schestowitz-TR	I start work now
[17:36]	schestowitz-TR	until 1am
[17:36]	schestowitz-TR	today was super-busy
[17:36]	schestowitz-TR	afternoon my rss feeds were full of paid-for spam
[17:36]	schestowitz-TR	had to delete some feeds
[17:36]	schestowitz-TR	it's getting worse
[17:36]	schestowitz-TR	many sellouts out there
[17:41]	DaemonFC	"IRC can do all of the important things you need it to do, and it hasnt gotten much fatter than it was in the 1990s, despite having a new version on the way.
[17:41]	DaemonFC	How many things on your computer can you say that about? Remember how slow Windows 98 was on the internet, on dial up? Remember progress bars taking forever, and pulling down menus being painfully slow?
[17:41]	DaemonFC	Why is it, today, that your laptop is thousands of times faster than your desktop PC was then, and yet it feels like weve made no progress at all?
[17:41]	DaemonFC	Windows has gotten morbidly obese to the point even a new computer feels slow right out of the box, which is alarming, and something they use to drive hardware sales, even though theyre like a shittier Apple now. Your PC is three years old! Throw it away! Windows 11!
[17:41]	DaemonFC	They throw parties for themselves. They pull a string and OMG MSFT! Joey, Michael Larabel, and SJVN to dance for them. Its sad.
[17:41]	DaemonFC	But a few things certainly dont need to get much fatter and more horrible as time goes on because theyre controlled by a community process (like some GNU/Linux operating systems), and IRC is definitely one of those things. Leave IRC alone! "
[17:42]	MinceR	did you expect a crApple cultist to understand what IRC is?
[17:43]	MinceR	shitcord is shiny, therefore they worship shitcord
[17:43]	MinceR	and the more abusive it is the more they love it
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[17:57]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/more-gnome-software-fail-useless-software-reviews/
[17:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | More GNOME Software FAIL. Useless software reviews. BaronHK's Rants
[17:57]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
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[18:24]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/end-of-life-google-chrome-devices-should-be-repurposed-with-gnu-linux/
[18:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | End of Life Google Chrome devices should be repurposed with GNU/Linux. BaronHK's Rants
[18:25]	DaemonFC	"Save your money. Stick it in a 401(k). In 30 years when the in-laws are still drowning in debt from trying to keep up with the other folks at church, you can just laugh at them."
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[18:56]	DaemonFC	MinceR, "I wonder if someone implemented the slider backwards and QA didn't notice." -JWZ
[18:56]	MinceR	is the software useless or the review? :>
[18:56]	DaemonFC	"Why not? That's how Apple's "Natural" Scrolling works." -Me
● Oct 13
[19:02]	DaemonFC	MinceR, They held a mock funeral for OS 9 complete with a casket. As a warning that they had sacked anyone with GUI-building experience and hired on a bunch of lunatics who implemented UNIX incorrectly.
[19:15]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/macos-11-6-makes-the-theme-worse-then-ever-free-software-guis-are-whatever-you-want-them-to-be/
[19:15]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[19:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | macOS 11.6 makes the theme worse then ever. Free Software GUIs are whatever you want them to be. BaronHK's Rants
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[19:16]	AdmFubar	https://thenextweb.com/news/how-i-hacked-high-school-rick-astley-rickrolling-syndication
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[19:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | How I hacked ALL displays in my high school district to play Rick Astley
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[19:26]	MinceR	:>
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[19:39]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I plan to lampoon Fast Company.
[19:39]	DaemonFC	Vivaldi recently linked to an article praising Vivaldi where the guy writing it said he wanted to make it the default but it couldn't "install progressive web apps" so that he could use his GMail.
[19:40]	DaemonFC	That's what pinned tabs are for, dumbass. Also, IMAP.
[19:40]	DaemonFC	Vivaldi does support IMAP.
[19:40]	DaemonFC	As soon as Opera got sold to the Chinese, they started over with Chromium and never bothered to put any features that made Opera, Opera, back in it.
[19:41]	DaemonFC	It was extremely disappointing where that went.
[19:42]	DaemonFC	Once your browser hasn't had any "feature" updates in a few years, there will be severe rendering problems with websites, then in another year or two, many HTTPS sites won't even load at all anymore.
[19:43]	DaemonFC	So for browsers in particular, once they're abandoned, you can't really use them for long.
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[20:06]	AdmFubar	I really hope the otter project makes progress.. they are copying opera 12.x ui...
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[20:10]	AdmFubar	https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/world/australia/facebook-post-missing-apostrophe-defamation.html?mc_cid=8e853febfe&mc_eid=d63e057ad6
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[20:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Missing Apostrophe in Facebook Post May Cost a Man in Defamation Case - The New York Times
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[20:27]	AdmFubar	https://hackaday.com/2021/10/12/ibm-cheese-cutter-restoration/
[20:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM Cheese Cutter Restoration | Hackaday
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[20:34]	mib_v43oqq	Is this a real chat room?
[20:35]	mib_v43oqq	Trying to get in touch with @schestowitz 
[20:35]	schestowitz-TR	hi
[20:36]	mib_v43oqq	hi, I sent you an email earlier. it's only been a few hours, but I saw this and thought I'd give you a heads up
[20:36]	schestowitz-TR	I check mail once a day usually
[20:37]	mib_v43oqq	Totally reasonable 
[20:37]	mib_v43oqq	it's in regards to Nat Friedman and his personal life
[20:37]	schestowitz-TR	what's it about? I check if there's an urgent thing
[20:37]	schestowitz-TR	ah
[20:37]	schestowitz-TR	Friedman
[20:37]	mib_v43oqq	from personal experience he's a misogynist 
[20:37]	schestowitz-TR	Miguel reared his ugly head several times this week
[20:37]	schestowitz-TR	looks like it
[20:37]	schestowitz-TR	based on his album
[20:37]	schestowitz-TR	flickr iirc
[20:38]	mib_v43oqq	you'll have to point that out to me
[20:38]	mib_v43oqq	Miguel and I have been in touch
[20:38]	schestowitz-TR	oh
[20:38]	schestowitz-TR	well, this week Miguel attacks me 
[20:38]	schestowitz-TR	in Twitter
[20:38]	schestowitz-TR	suggesting "mental" things
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	because ages ago we exposed who he was
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	he and Nat worked for Microsoft for 25 years
[20:39]	mib_v43oqq	the email is about Alex Graveley 
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	Nat blocked me proavtive in Twitter
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	afraid that I might see what he posts
[20:39]	mib_v43oqq	I'm also blocked
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	he blocks many people
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	I never spoke to Nat
[20:39]	schestowitz-TR	he just blocked me
[20:40]	schestowitz-TR	maybe didn't want to see my tweets
[20:40]	schestowitz-TR	but he could mute
[20:40]	mib_v43oqq	Nat hired a domestic abuser to run Copilot and Codespaces
[20:40]	schestowitz-TR	knowingly?
[20:40]	mib_v43oqq	knowingly
[20:41]	mib_v43oqq	he's his best friend and has a widespread reputation for abusing women, sometimes men at work
[20:41]	mib_v43oqq	Alex Graveley from Hackpad
[20:41]	schestowitz-TR	there was a github scandal to that effect
[20:41]	schestowitz-TR	a co-founder
[20:42]	schestowitz-TR	but nothing to do with Microsoft
[20:42]	mib_v43oqq	worked at the original Xamarin 
[20:42]	mib_v43oqq	well, they're friends
[20:42]	mib_v43oqq	that's part of how Nat got the job
[20:43]	schestowitz-TR	it's usually about connections
[20:45]	mib_v43oqq	well, it seemed the point of your article that I came across was the concentration of power through strangling open source 
[20:45]	schestowitz-TR	copilot is particularly nasty
[20:45]	schestowitz-TR	for several reasons
[20:45]	mib_v43oqq	my questions is should we putting this power in the hands of someone is historically abusive to women
[20:46]	schestowitz-TR	but wait
[20:46]	schestowitz-TR	we could go into questions like,
[20:46]	schestowitz-TR	how many chauvinist are running Microsoft?
[20:46]	schestowitz-TR	the answer is, not few
[20:46]	schestowitz-TR	inc. Gates himself
[20:46]	mib_v43oqq	Bill... pedophile
[20:47]	schestowitz-TR	a fish rots from the head down
[20:47]	schestowitz-TR	don't know if bill is a pedophilia himself, but he did cheat on the wife and loves being with Epsteina
[20:47]	schestowitz-TR	*Epstein
[20:47]	DaemonFC	https://downloads.vivaldi.com/lists/vivaldi/partners-current.txt
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[20:47]	schestowitz-TR	also employed a pedophile as his personal engineer
[20:47]	DaemonFC	Vivaldi unblocks their search partner ads by default, but so does Falkon.
[20:48]	mib_v43oqq	Does the art reflect the artist?
[20:49]	schestowitz-TR	well, more smoking guns needed
[20:49]	schestowitz-TR	there might even be investigation, maybe sealed indictment
[20:49]	mib_v43oqq	https://twitter.com/BetsyDupuis/status/1333466795332734978?s=20
[20:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BetsyDupuis: I dated @hackpad (acquired by @dropbox 2015) co-founder Alex Graveley @orph in 2019. Things started off well, but https://t.co/jbPauVAufr
[20:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BetsyDupuis: I dated @hackpad (acquired by @dropbox 2015) co-founder Alex Graveley @orph in 2019. Things started off well, but https://t.co/jbPauVAufr
[20:49]	psydruid	what is the real deal with Falkon?
[20:49]	schestowitz-TR	many friends move away from him
[20:50]	schestowitz-TR	suggests they know something and proactively dissociate
[20:51]	mib_v43oqq	"I don't want to get involved"
[20:51]	mib_v43oqq	It's what I've heard many time in regards to the situation with Graveley
[20:51]	schestowitz-TR	poor excuse
[20:51]	schestowitz-TR	what did miguel say?
[20:51]	schestowitz-TR	"above my pay grade"?
[20:51]	schestowitz-TR	that's what he told others
[20:51]	schestowitz-TR	when he was in novell
[20:52]	schestowitz-TR	military terminopoly 
[20:52]	mib_v43oqq	Nat and Alex were both assholes back in the day that drank too much
[20:52]	mib_v43oqq	he said Nat "ruined his life"
[20:52]	schestowitz-TR	miguel said that????
[20:52]	mib_v43oqq	yes lol
[20:52]	schestowitz-TR	haha
[20:52]	schestowitz-TR	is he still with his brazilian wife?
[20:53]	mib_v43oqq	yeah, we talked about that because it came up that Graveley lived in Brazil
[20:54]	mib_v43oqq	Also mentioned a portuguese language film that I was disturbed by Alex's obsession with
[20:55]	mib_v43oqq	Talk to Her - about a male nurse raping a woman in a coma, but it's a romance
[20:55]	schestowitz-TR	gosh
[20:55]	schestowitz-TR	seems like we have a whols series
[20:55]	schestowitz-TR	not an article
[20:56]	schestowitz-TR	mib_v43oqq: Jimmy Savile dd that
[20:56]	schestowitz-TR	but to kids
[20:56]	schestowitz-TR	in a hospital
[20:57]	mib_v43oqq	It's relevant b/c Alex kept asking me to get blackout drunk to fulfill a kink
[20:58]	schestowitz-TR	wow
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[20:59]	mib_v43oqq	Alex is a really bad dude. Nat seems to have been good at maintaining a wholesome persona publicly 
● Oct 13
[21:00]	mib_v43oqq	I'm trying to make people aware, but because i never worked at Github, journalists think it's a non-issue
[21:00]	schestowitz-TR	there are journalists still?
[21:00]	mib_v43oqq	good question lol
[21:01]	schestowitz-TR	many are cynical about what the occupation became
[21:01]	schestowitz-TR	even the other day my dad told me
[21:01]	mib_v43oqq	they seem to be working on all the workers rights
[21:01]	schestowitz-TR	a friend of his, retired journalist, was enraged about journalism becoming just corporate PR 15 years ago
[21:02]	mib_v43oqq	that's true. all the noise this week could just be giants firing shots at each other
[21:04]	schestowitz-TR	which publishers did you try?
[21:04]	schestowitz-TR	Remember Microsoft pays many for "advertising"
[21:05]	mib_v43oqq	vox, bloomberg, buzzfeed
[21:06]	schestowitz-TR	the first two are in Microsoft's pocket
[21:06]	mib_v43oqq	part of the issue is graveley's disinformation campaign against me has taken root
[21:06]	schestowitz-TR	not sure about the third
[21:07]	mib_v43oqq	vox did some reporting on the Github Nazi incident
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR	they usually believe the rich person
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR	we examine the evidence
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR	they also fer lawsuits (media)
[21:07]	mib_v43oqq	I guess Nat true the female HR head under the bus and made himself the hero
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR	mib_v43oqq: but B-I broke the story
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR	on the nazi firing incident
[21:08]	mib_v43oqq	yeah, I think you're right. having a hard time keeping it straight
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR	we work with some Microsoft whistleblowers
[21:08]	mib_v43oqq	NYT, but after bad art friend, they don't look good
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR	they trust us
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR	because we don't self-censor
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR	NYTimes is a mixed bag
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	they're harder to bribe
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	you can only keep them silent some of the time, not all the time
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	Gates bribed The Verge to fire a reporter who worked with us
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	on a stor exposing Gates Foundation abuses like 8 years ago
[21:09]	mib_v43oqq	jesus
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR	he eventually went too far
[21:10]	schestowitz-TR	now a lot more people know the RealBill
[21:10]	schestowitz-TR	Real Deal
[21:10]	schestowitz-TR	Bill also bribed by boss
[21:10]	schestowitz-TR	it didn't work
[21:10]	mib_v43oqq	well, sounds like I finally have some answers
[21:10]	schestowitz-TR	it happened just after I had started my series about the arrest at his home
[21:10]	schestowitz-TR	read up on what Weinstein
[21:10]	schestowitz-TR	did to media
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	and how he suppressed the story for many years
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	similar tactics
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	woman-shaming
[21:11]	mib_v43oqq	I used to work in disinfo research 
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	spying on them
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	spiking stories etc.
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	they had to group in large numbers to break the media silence
[21:11]	mib_v43oqq	I'm aware of a lot of the mechanics
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	there are agencies for this
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	'consultant'
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	'crisis management'
[21:12]	mib_v43oqq	yeah... there's lots of women that don't want to talk about what Alex did to them
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	Weinstein hired spies
[21:12]	mib_v43oqq	TallPoppy
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	now more people know about Gamma Group, NSO Group ste.
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[21:12]	mib_v43oqq	TallPoppy is trying to turn that into a service
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[21:13]	schestowitz-TR	do you have written correspondence with those publishers?
[21:13]	schestowitz-TR	we should do a part or two about their role in covering up for the powerful interests
[21:13]	mib_v43oqq	yes
[21:13]	schestowitz-TR	good
[21:13]	schestowitz-TR	Chelsea Manning tried WashPo (now Bezos) and NYTimes
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	they were not interested in war crimes
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	so Chelsea (Brad back then) went to Wikileaks
[21:14]	mib_v43oqq	I don't think Dropbox has dirty hands. They just wanted his patents and fired him for abuse
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	and now people know this and remember this
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	Dropbox had or still has Condy Rice on the Board
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	it's not a lovey-dovey company
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR	they also work for the NSA as informant
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	with direct data access to NSA
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	based on PRISM leaks (2013)
[21:15]	mib_v43oqq	something something elasticsearch
[21:15]	mib_v43oqq	do you have some more secure form of communication
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR	PGP is one
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	or we can use mumble
[21:16]	mib_v43oqq	bear in mind my technical skills are JS, so something like signal would be helpful
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	or other encrypted things, end-to-end
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	Signal is not so secure
[21:16]	mib_v43oqq	really? damn
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR	and it requires "mobile" "phone", which I don't have
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	hold on to comms you had with publishers that are big
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	they need to be named for "believing powerful men"
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR	I would have recommended protonmail, but
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR	they recently turned in a climate activists to French authorities
[21:18]	mib_v43oqq	lets see if I can do mumble
[21:18]	mib_v43oqq	I have to google my way through PGP
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR	you might be spied on by Private Investigators
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR	or the people you named
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR	if you say something not encrypted, the assumption should be, "they may know"
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[21:20]	mib_v43oqq	I haven't said anything I haven't said on twitter
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR	mib_v43oqq: side note
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR	(of elevance)
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR	real encryption tools are hard to find
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR	it's not an accident
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR	it's because those who create such tools get targeted a lot
[21:20]	mib_v43oqq	apple won't let me install mumble
[21:20]	mib_v43oqq	is it on homebrew?
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR	apropos
[21:21]	schestowitz	techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/
[21:21]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/
[21:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR	mumble might work on OS X
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR	don't know if they do "mobile"
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR	it's also a voice thing
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	voice can be faster to work with in some contexts
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	just make sure you keep all notes
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	I will do too
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR	I later meticulously go through everything, for x2 or x3 longer than they take to write
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[21:24]	mib_v43oqq	ok, I think it's installed
[21:24]	mib_v43oqq	feel like I'm using 1999 internet right now lol
[21:24]	schestowitz-TR	newer is not always better
[21:25]	schestowitz-TR	tell me if it runs OK
[21:25]	schestowitz-TR	I can send you address of locally-hosted server, with e2e encryption
[21:25]	mib_v43oqq	sure lets do that
[21:27]	mib_v43oqq	I have it installed.
[21:27]	mib_v43oqq	there's like a globe with a server list
[21:27]	mib_v43oqq	I see "add new"
[21:28]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[21:28]	schestowitz-TR	I sent you that
[21:28]	schestowitz-TR	it's not publicly advertise
[21:28]	schestowitz-TR	for obvious reasons
[21:28]	schestowitz-TR	*advertised
[21:28]	mib_v43oqq	email?
[21:29]	schestowitz-TR	parsdon?
[21:29]	schestowitz-TR	pardon?
[21:29]	schestowitz-TR	oh, email
[21:29]	schestowitz-TR	I share my email, but email is not secure
[21:29]	schestowitz-TR	it's one of the least secure things in the planet
[21:29]	schestowitz-TR	all mail relays see the contents
[21:29]	schestowitz-TR	and some sell the data for financial gain
[21:31]	mib_v43oqq	yeah... Jeff Lindsay explained that to me once
[21:33]	schestowitz-TR	ha, youi know him
● Oct 13
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[22:15]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I'm writing again.
[22:15]	DaemonFC	Criticizing GNOME and Debian for bundling censorship software.
[22:18]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: good
[22:18]	schestowitz-TR	I mean, the writing
[22:18]	schestowitz-TR	GNOME is the vision of IBM et al
[22:18]	schestowitz-TR	not the original hackers who made the "G" in GNOME
[22:22]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/gnome-and-debian-infringe-human-rights-by-shipping-parental-control-software-internally-called-malcontent/
[22:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | GNOME (and Debian) infringe human rights by shipping Parental Control software (internally called Malcontent). BaronHK's Rants
[22:22]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, ^
[22:22]	DaemonFC	Thoughts?
[22:25]	DaemonFC	The funny thing was they couldn't stop you from booting into DOS to disable the parental control software back then.
[22:25]	DaemonFC	Even with Windows Me, you could make an emergency boot floppy, which contained DOS, and the BIOS was still hard coded to try to boot from A drive first.
[22:26]	DaemonFC	That's why it briefly went "onk" and then proceeded to load the OS from the hard disk if nothing was in the floppy drive.
[22:27]	DaemonFC	9 posts today?
[22:27]	DaemonFC	I need to lay off the caffeine.
[22:27]	schestowitz-TR	:-)
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[22:34]	DaemonFC	I'm writing about Vivaldi now.
[22:35]	DaemonFC	It's quite addictive, but so are cigarettes.
[22:35]	DaemonFC	I tell myself at least it isn't Chrome.
[22:35]	DaemonFC	I can't stand Chrome for lots of reasons.
[22:35]	DaemonFC	It isn't a very good browser.
[22:36]	DaemonFC	It's made for complete dumbasses by an advertising company.
[22:36]	schestowitz-TR	yes, exactly
[22:36]	schestowitz-TR	more like spyTech
[22:36]	schestowitz-TR	'Ad'tech
[22:36]	schestowitz-TR	we mine minds
[22:36]	schestowitz-TR	then manipulate them
[22:36]	schestowitz-TR	not the same as billboards
[22:42]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: can you proofread for us too?
[22:43]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I'm doing backstory.
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR	ok
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR	we are working on a Microsot story
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR	some clues in the scrollback in IRC
[22:43]	DaemonFC	On how Apple commandeered Webkit, and they and Google polluted and bloated KHTML to 200 times its original size, and now that's what you need to run the Web today.
[22:44]	DaemonFC	It's a disaster driven by hostile entities.
[22:44]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> DaemonFC: can you proofread for us too?
[22:44]	DaemonFC	Yeah.
[22:44]	DaemonFC	No rush.
[22:45]	schestowitz-TR	it'll be a long series
[22:45]	schestowitz-TR	not the EPO one
[22:45]	DaemonFC	I don't trust von Tetzchner either.
[22:45]	DaemonFC	But they've added back all of the Opera features I missed.
[22:45]	DaemonFC	Except maybe the bittorrent client.
[22:46]	DaemonFC	I liked Opera Unite too.
[22:46]	DaemonFC	You could run a server and a web site from your Opera browser at one point. It made it extremely easy.
[22:46]	DaemonFC	Do you reckon he's growing Vivaldi with the intent on another takeover.
[22:50]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: can you look now?
[22:50]	DaemonFC	Yeah
[22:51]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/general-bock-switzerland/
[22:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part XI: General Bock Battistellis Swiss Apprentice? | Techrights
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[22:55]	DaemonFC	"The reaction in Switzerland was predominantly negative."
[22:56]	DaemonFC	LOL
[22:56]	DaemonFC	Customs Kommando!
[22:57]	DaemonFC	"noted that not even Putins special forces would put themselves on public display in such an ostentatious manner."
[22:57]	DaemonFC	:/
[22:57]	psydruid	does old Opera still work on the current web?
[22:57]	DaemonFC	Kind of.
[22:57]	schestowitz-TR	"moderm" "web"
[22:57]	schestowitz-TR	programs as 'pages'
[22:57]	psydruid	I don't know if it would be better and faster than Netsurf
[22:57]	DaemonFC	You need the last build that they kicked over the fence, for Windows only. Even though they could have trivially compiled it for others.
[22:58]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/10/13/belarus-makes-subscribing-to-extremist-telegram-channel-a-criminal-offense
[22:58]		-altlink_22b/#techrights- Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/10/13/belarus-makes-subscribing-to-extremist-telegram-channel-a-criminal-offense
[22:58]	DaemonFC	All they did was bump it to be "modern enough" to connect to secure websites and fix a few CVEs.
[22:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE
[22:58]	psydruid	but it was much faster than other browsers in the early 2000s
[22:58]	DaemonFC	So they could have compiled it, but they specifically said they didn't want Linux and Mac versions because it was intended for people stuck on Windows XP.
[22:59]	DaemonFC	They wanted to compel everyone else to use the Chromium shit.
[22:59]	DaemonFC	It may work in Wine.
● Oct 13
[23:00]	DaemonFC	"These doubts arose because Switzerland is a decentralized federation with a highly devolved system of government in which the cantons are sovereign to the extent that their sovereignty is not limited by federal law. The competence of the federal government is restricted to a limited number of areas."
[23:01]	DaemonFC	So it would be more correct to say it is a confederate system.
[23:02]	DaemonFC	"long-established constitutional traditions"
[23:02]	DaemonFC	It's just a goddamned piece of paper. -Bush (W), allegedly
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[23:20]	DaemonFC	"his time deputy head"
[23:20]	DaemonFC	as deputy head
[23:20]	schestowitz-TR	ahw
[23:20]	schestowitz-TR	well spooted!
[23:20]	schestowitz-TR	spotted even
[23:23]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I can say that I think a lot of the rot going on in the US is the states and the federal government playing tug of war.
[23:23]	DaemonFC	With no clear boundaries over who gets to do what.
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	it's "all up in the air"
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	Look at the Trump 4-year term
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	violation after violation 
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	nobody punished
[23:23]	DaemonFC	And about half the population expecting some central government 1,000-2,000 miles away to fix all of their problems, top down.
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	except low-level people
[23:24]	DaemonFC	When almost nobody in Congress has ever had to do a real job before.
[23:24]	DaemonFC	They just sit around all day and tell you what you'll endure this year so a few billionaires can grow fatter.
[23:24]	DaemonFC	Better if it didn't exist at all, almost.
[23:25]	DaemonFC	Should be curtailed by an Article V Convention.
[23:25]	DaemonFC	It's not even clear if we should have had one already.
[23:25]	DaemonFC	The Constitution doesn't specify if all of the requests have to be about the same topic or if states can withdraw them.
[23:26]	DaemonFC	Since there are more red states than blue states, the blue states decided that the only way they were going to keep controlling and manipulating everyone would be to yank their requests, most of which dated back decades or a century or two.
[23:27]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> violation after violation 
[23:27]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> nobody punished
[23:27]	DaemonFC	We're just lucky that it ended when it did.
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[23:27]	DaemonFC	When he asked the Pentagon to overthrow the election and they said, no get your shit out by noon or we'll assist you.
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[23:28]	psydruid	https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers
[23:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
[23:28]	DaemonFC	It's pretty bad when the president is leaning on the DoJ to "just say the election is corrupt and let me 'take care of' the rest. And by take care of, that means pretext to using the military to stay whether he's legally allowed or not.
[23:29]	psydruid	I never knew that the work was outsourced to India
[23:29]	psydruid	and not to the best coders there apparently
[23:29]	DaemonFC	And you're biting your nails wondering if we're even going to have the president we voted for or not because this one won't leave unless other people refuse to go along with it. The people who get trillion dollar budgetsevery year, tanks, bombs, planes, guns, and nukes.
[23:30]	DaemonFC	Meanwhile, the government "CARES" about you, because of the Coronavirus.
[23:30]	DaemonFC	It "CARES". It's never cared before. It still lets people go hungry, homeless, and die of AIDS. What's so different about a super cold?
[23:36]	DaemonFC	Most of the rich folks I know went to their bug out resort third home and then threw unmasked dinner parties with little chips and dips that cost more than a year's income for many of us, and then gave each other the virus anyway, in Florida.
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: they have good coders
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	but they leave india
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	and code for better salaries
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	ask MinceR abouut Hungary
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	same problem
[23:40]	psydruid	schestowitz-TR, I know, I worked with some
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	with so much choice, companies 'import' only the best
[23:42]	MinceR	suits generally don't care about good coders
[23:42]	MinceR	they care about having something hacked together cheaply and having someone else take responsibility for it being crap
[23:42]	schestowitz-TR	+!