●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, February 14, 2021 ●● ● Feb 14 [00:01] *blep has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:06] *blep (~blep@gateway/tor-sasl/blep) has joined #techrights [00:17] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: RuTracker blocks Americans now. [00:18] DaemonFC[m] I picked a VPN server in Hungary to keep using it. [00:41] schestowitz anyone here in IRC using gemini? [00:41] schestowitz we hope this year there will be a million users worldwide [00:41] schestowitz techrights will soon be available with it as 'first-class' citizen [00:42] schestowitz we just need to convert loads of pages [00:43] MinceR i used 2 gemini clients to view a TR article [00:43] MinceR both worked fine [00:45] schestowitz Days ago we launched gemini.techrights.org and it is starting to get noticed. We plan to keep it in sync with www and it contains many articles. It would be nice to have it visible in feeds. Anything that can help us spread the word and increase adoption of gemini in general. [00:45] schestowitz MinceR: did you try a GUI one? [00:45] MinceR yes [00:45] MinceR i tried amfora (TUI) and kristall (GUI) [00:45] schestowitz I guess you don't use "deadian" [00:45] schestowitz it has nothing in the repos [00:45] MinceR :> [00:45] schestowitz not even kristall [00:45] MinceR voidlinux has both of these [00:51] schestowitz debian, to use a bit of a joke snubs gemini coz of google money ;-) [00:51] schestowitz could make the same joke re mozilla removal of gopher support [00:51] schestowitz I think Google is the biggest sponsor of both [00:51] schestowitz but it's a joke [00:51] schestowitz I do not SERIOUSLY think that's the reason for all tis [00:51] schestowitz amfora was not available for Debian [00:51] schestowitz it's odd [00:52] schestowitz I had to get precompiled and self-contained binary [00:52] schestowitz for a project with over 30,000 packages in the repo [00:52] schestowitz and not a single gemini browser, not even a cli client [00:52] schestowitz odd [00:53] techrights-bot #Mageia 8 Promises Better Support for AMD and NVIDIA Systems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147634 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mageia 8 Promises Better Support for AMD and NVIDIA Systems | Tux Machines [00:53] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147633 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:54] techrights-bot Stable Kernels: 5.10.16, 5.4.98, and 4.19.176 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147632 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.10.16, 5.4.98, and 4.19.176 | Tux Machines [00:54] techrights-bot 9 Best #FreeSW Key Value Stores for #BigData http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147631 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9 Best Free and Open Source Key Value Stores for Big Data | Tux Machines [00:55] techrights-bot 5 reasons why I love coding on GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147630 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #programming [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 reasons why I love coding on Linux | Tux Machines [00:55] techrights-bot How #freeSW provides students with real-world experience http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147629 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How open source provides students with real-world experience | Tux Machines [00:56] techrights-bot #KDE Frameworks 5.79.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147628 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #qt [00:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.79.0 | Tux Machines ● Feb 14 [01:05] techrights-bot Sputnik V Vaccine: NPR's Moscow Correspondent Rolls Up His Sleeve https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/13/967336250/putin-hasnt-been-vaccinated-with-sputnik-v-yet-but-our-correspondent-got-the-sho #NPR repeatedly being bribed by #billgates to cover up for him, mocking his critics [01:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Sputnik V Vaccine: NPR's Moscow Correspondent Rolls Up His Sleeve : Goats and Soda : NPR [01:05] techrights-bot Architecture https://i.redd.it/3ttfp5vb4yd61.jpg [01:06] techrights-bot Following the example of corrupt #EPO , which distorted #patent #law and breaks all the founding principles of #patents in order to pocket and steal money https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d4666e89-d6c9-4dfb-b789-64219232d4a3 [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Polish Patent Office changes its policy on patentability of software, biotech and pharma - Lexology [01:06] techrights-bot Complete and utter puff piece, not journalism https://www.worldipreview.com/news/epo-and-euipo-add-technical-university-of-munich-to-trainee-programme-21033 [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldipreview.com | EPO and EUIPO add Technical University of Munich to trainee programme [01:06] techrights-bot Guidelines that are unlawful, but corrupt management gets away with it because it is above the law https://www.cms-lawnow.com/ealerts/2021/02/new-epo-guidelines-now-published-regarding-amending-the-description-whats-all-the-fuss-about?cc_lang=en [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cms-lawnow.com | New EPO Guidelines now published regarding amending the description: whats all the fuss about? [01:06] techrights-bot New video: How to Make a Custom #GNU #Linux Desktop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hse8yN6CDoI [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-- YouTube [01:08] techrights-bot 021/02/13/gsoc-conflict-of-interest/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/13/#latest [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:10] techrights-bot Nicolas Dandrimont, Pauline (or Maria) Climent-Pommeret & Debian, Outreachy, GSoC Conflict of Interest Policy Scandals http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/gsoc-conflict-of-interest/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [01:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nicolas Dandrimont, Pauline (or Maria) Climent-Pommeret & Debian, Outreachy, GSoC Conflict of Interest Policy Scandals | Techrights [01:10] techrights-bot Wine 6.2 Released with Mono 6.0.0 & NTDLL debugger APIs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147608#comment-28265 [01:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.2 Released | Tux Machines [01:11] techrights-bot "IBM and O'Reilly conducted a survey that indicated that IT pros favor using open source CLOWN technologies over proprietary solutions." IBM and O'Reilly conducted a survey that indicated that IT pros favor using open source cloud technologies over proprietary solutions. [01:12] techrights-bot "IBM and O'Reilly conducted a survey that indicated that IT pros favor using open source CLOWN technologies over proprietary solutions." https://www.itprotoday.com/cloud-computing/survey-open-source-cloud-technologies-fit-devs-glove [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | Survey: Open Source Cloud Technologies Fit Devs Like a Glove | IT Pro [01:12] techrights-bot #KDE #Plasma 5.21 - New look, new menu, and Wayland 100% usable http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147621#comment-28266 #gnu #linux [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Plasma 5.21 approaches! | Tux Machines [01:15] techrights-bot [ #Debian ] #bullseye froze softly http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147636 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | [Debian] bullseye froze softly | Tux Machines [01:15] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147635 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:26] MinceR https://insighthungary.444.hu/2021/01/26/member-of-hungarian-punk-band-beaten-songs-censored-after-performance-at-government-financed-concert [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insighthungary.444.hu | Member of Hungarian punk band beaten, songs censored after performance at government-financed concert - InsightHungary [01:36] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 16.41 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 3.25 swarm size (avg): 122.01 [01:57] techrights-bot "The Fellowship has recently blogged about FSFE President Matthias Kirschner misusing screengrabs from video calls with interns." http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/gsoc-conflict-of-interest/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/13/gsoc-conflict-of-interest/ [01:57] DaemonFC[m] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/world/europe/hungary-coronavirus-vaccination-sputnik.html [01:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | With the Economy on the Ropes, Hungary Goes All In on Mass Vaccination - The New York Times [01:58] DaemonFC[m] MinceR is feeling very patriotic and will get his vaccination as soon as Orban is done with the chicken wire border "wall". [01:59] DaemonFC[m] How the hell did the Hungarian Socialist Party go from the majority to barely any seats at all? [01:59] MinceR i don't know when or if i'll get vaccinated, or even in which country ● Feb 14 [02:00] MinceR considering that the nazis are getting more and more desperate to force the untested russian and chinese shit on people who don't want them [02:00] DaemonFC[m] I'd get one of the mRNA ones probably. [02:00] MinceR well, you can [02:00] MinceR you live in a country where there are at least some state functions that work openly and correctly [02:00] DaemonFC[m] But I'm more skeptical of the adenovirus ones. [02:00] MinceR 14 025914 < DaemonFC[m]> How the hell did the Hungarian Socialist Party go from the majority to barely any seats at all? [02:01] MinceR in 2010 they went from part of a majority coalition to minority [02:01] MinceR then the nazis changed the election rules [02:01] DaemonFC[m] They don't seem as effective, they seem like they particularly don't work very well against some of the mutant strains, and there's the danger that your immune system learns to attack the carrier virus and not the Coronavirus spikes. [02:01] schestowitz I work from home [02:01] MinceR and DK split off [02:01] schestowitz I might not need to bother with any of them unless more is known [02:01] XRevan86 I wonder if adenovirus immunity wears off eventually [02:01] schestowitz *until [02:01] DaemonFC[m] Ahh, there was something similar in Indiana. [02:01] XRevan86 or if immunity against vaccines is forever %) [02:01] MinceR iirc they weren't a majority on their own to begin with [02:02] DaemonFC[m] The Democrats were in the majority until the Republicans took a slim lead, changed the election laws, rewrote the districts, and they get 67% of the seats with 51% of the vote ever since. [02:02] schestowitz people die, now more die more [02:02] schestowitz esp. the frail [02:02] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: you keep bringing up non-tech issues here [02:02] XRevan86 > As opposed to lentiviruses, adenoviral DNA does not integrate into the genome and is not replicated during cell division. [02:03] MinceR wikipedia says they had the most seats before 2010 but they didn't have 50% on their own [02:03] schestowitz and many of us (inc. you) aren't expert in this thing [02:03] XRevan86 I heard people use that as FUD, but no, it's not in the genome. [02:03] schestowitz let's talk about tech [02:03] MinceR the nazi election system lets fideath get over 2/3 of the parliament seats by getting something like 45% of the votes [02:03] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I was playing around with gerrymandering software. [02:03] MinceR and yes, they gerrymandered [02:03] MinceR also [02:03] schestowitz sometimes the options are themselves bad [02:04] schestowitz elections are still better than none at all [02:04] XRevan86 > Any of these few viral vectors can cause the body to develop an immune response if the vector is seen as a foreign invader. Once used, the viral vector cannot be effectively used in the patient again because it will be recognized by the body. [02:04] MinceR living on a planet infested with humans is itself bad [02:04] XRevan86 all from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector [02:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Viral vector - Wikipedia [02:04] DaemonFC[m] Mandy says some slight headaches today and chills while he was at work. Arm is still sore. [02:04] DaemonFC[m] Nothing too bad though. [02:05] schestowitz first one [02:05] schestowitz second one of the worse [02:05] schestowitz *is [02:05] MinceR i don't get to be in charge of my own life [02:05] DaemonFC[m] It's the same dosage. [02:05] MinceR i hope i can die quickly and painlessly [02:05] schestowitz anyway, enough about those premature products [02:05] DaemonFC[m] Your body recognizes it the second time. [02:05] schestowitz we don't even know much about them yet [02:05] MinceR it's the most one as poor as i am can hope in this hell on earth [02:05] schestowitz you drove 8 hours, both of you at risk of car accident, to be part of a monopoly's test [02:06] schestowitz MinceR: maybe at an old age [02:06] schestowitz quickly and painlessly is the best way to go, question is at what stage [02:06] MinceR yeah, there are probably decades of intense suffering left for me [02:06] schestowitz some people in their 70s don't have back and joint aches [02:06] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: With the uncontrolled spread going on, it seemed like the least bad option. [02:06] MinceR maybe i'll get lucky and an asteroid or gamma ray burst wipes us out [02:06] schestowitz one day [02:07] *dyfet (~dyfet@pool-108-25-83-130.atclnj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #techrights [02:07] schestowitz but a long time from now [02:07] XRevan86 I'd really rather get an mRNA vaccine [02:07] DaemonFC[m] No appointments available since NBC Chicago picked it up. [02:07] XRevan86 too bad it's not an option [02:07] DaemonFC[m] It's way too soon to say whether the vaccinations are having an effect on the spread of if we're just slowing down on the way to another surge that's even worse than the last one, [02:07] schestowitz we can all agree the status quo is bust [02:07] schestowitz unemployment isn't a covid thing [02:07] schestowitz it predates this [02:07] schestowitz "Gig" "economy" [02:07] DaemonFC[m] It does, but few cared until now. [02:08] DaemonFC[m] Now it's "Not their fault.". [02:08] XRevan86 International vaccines are effectively banned here [02:08] schestowitz with actual labour "participation" rate of about 50% in the US [02:08] schestowitz and wages stagnating for how long? 30 years? [02:08] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [02:08] DaemonFC[m] Before it was "They should go into debt for college and still be guaranteed nothing.". [02:08] schestowitz hi, dyfet [02:08] DaemonFC[m] Or "They're just not looking for jobs.". [02:08] DaemonFC[m] Mom's favorite, even now. [02:08] DaemonFC[m] I told her which jobs since half the restaurants in Indiana have failed already. [02:09] schestowitz mjg59: I mention you along the way in an article about freesw jobs [02:09] schestowitz just so that I get the facts right, you quit, right? [02:09] DaemonFC[m] All of the movie theaters are failing. [02:09] MinceR "allegedly" :> [02:09] DaemonFC[m] Might not have been good jobs, but now it's absolute unemployment. [02:09] MinceR due to this plague i can't even leave this shithole country [02:09] DaemonFC[m] Haha, he said shithole country. [02:10] DaemonFC[m] Just like The Donald. [02:10] schestowitz The Viktor [02:10] MinceR it's more of a shithole than uhmerica though [02:10] MinceR maybe not as much of a shithole as russia yet [02:10] schestowitz I'm sort of happy to be 'stuck' here [02:10] schestowitz brexit makes it worse, but... [02:10] dyfet hi schestowitz, trying irc from pidgin... [02:10] schestowitz all those lockdowns make my life choices more like the 'norm' [02:10] DaemonFC[m] Me too. [02:11] XRevan86 So the options here are the adenovirus vaccine Sputnik-V, the peptide vaccine EpiVacCorona and the dead virus Chumakov centre CoviVac vaccine [02:11] DaemonFC[m] I've always avoided people, given the option. [02:11] DaemonFC[m] Nobody takes you seriously in jeans and a t-shirt. [02:11] schestowitz real people do [02:11] schestowitz fake ones don't [02:11] XRevan86 apparently the latter is not available for the general population because it's difficult to produce [02:11] schestowitz if someone judges you by the dress, they're not worth the time [02:12] MinceR indeed [02:12] MinceR also, the tie that comes with the suit restricts blood circulation to the brain [02:12] MinceR (along with the necessary shirt setting) [02:12] *xvx has quit (Quit: xvx) [02:13] MinceR this, of course, doesn't affect the people who insist on making other people wear them [02:13] techrights-bot NEWS #CounterPunch Biopolitical Prognosis for Homo Sapiens Multiverse https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/12/biopolitical-prognosis-for-homo-sapiens-multiverse/ [02:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biopolitical Prognosis for Homo Sapiens Multiverse - CounterPunch.org [02:13] schestowitz MinceR: they're not worth working for [02:13] schestowitz I don't suggest working naked [02:14] schestowitz that would be wrong from a sanitary pov [02:14] schestowitz (at the least) [02:14] MinceR yeah, but i don't have the necessary equipment to get money without working :> [02:14] schestowitz it's -2 here at the moment, heating has been off all winter, so I mostly wear hoodies these days [02:15] MinceR it's -4.2 here [02:15] schestowitz MinceR: if you work from home now, that problem is partly tackled? [02:15] MinceR not really [02:15] MinceR and i don't have a job anymore [02:15] MinceR and i don't miss the shitty job i had last year [02:16] MinceR problem is, it doesn't seem possible to get a non-bullshit job in this industry [02:16] schestowitz true [02:16] schestowitz I am writing a post about my job now [02:16] schestowitz for techrights that is... the post [02:16] dyfet Or to find work that doesn't cause social harm... [02:17] schestowitz we need to make more freesw jobs [02:17] schestowitz pay isn't great, but... [02:17] schestowitz I still get the same salary I was getting 10 years ago [02:17] schestowitz now we don't have gym fees, travel expenses etc. [02:18] schestowitz shopping of other items vastly reduced too, except food [02:18] schestowitz rianne hunts for discounted foods anyway, sometimes quarter price or less [02:18] MinceR we need to resurrect freesw first [02:18] MinceR without corporate parasites [02:18] *vZS1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:18] dyfet Yes [02:19] schestowitz poor DaemonFC[m], his sis in law, who grew up in "worse than ghetto", carries on pretending to be a princess and would not shop in WaltonMart because "ghetto people" [02:19] schestowitz people love to self-harm [02:19] schestowitz to pretend to have climbed some mythical social/career ladder [02:19] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [02:19] schestowitz and sometimes the climbers perish early, like Steve Jobs did [02:20] schestowitz MinceR: wayland is coming [02:20] schestowitz I read about it earlier wrt kde [02:20] schestowitz it'll break basic stuff like x forwarding [02:20] MinceR lol [02:20] schestowitz after decades [02:20] schestowitz we need to keep Xorg going [02:20] schestowitz [01:12] #KDE #Plasma 5.21 - New look, new menu, and Wayland 100% usable http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147621#comment-28266 #gnu #linux [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Plasma 5.21 approaches! | Tux Machines [02:20] schestowitz no benefits [02:20] schestowitz maybe less RAM usage [02:20] schestowitz not that RAM is cheap and abundant [02:21] dyfet I don't think I have any video hardware that works correctly with wayland [02:21] schestowitz seems to me like an ill-advised special interest [02:21] schestowitz first dbus, systemd, PA... [02:21] MinceR obviously, working correctly is not "secure" [02:21] MinceR just ask the proprietarydesktop folks [02:21] schestowitz Firefox apparently only works with PA now [02:21] schestowitz MinceR: IBM never cared about security [02:21] dyfet I mean that doesn't crash or break ;) [02:21] MinceR neither did microshit [02:21] schestowitz if it did, it wouldn't work for DoD->NSA [02:22] MinceR doesn't stop their marketroids from mouthing off about it 24/7 [02:22] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2014/01/26/death-knell-by-nsa/ [02:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Shows That Collaborations With the NSA Are a Companys Death Knell | Techrights [02:22] MinceR even for other scammer corporations, DRM is now "security" [02:22] schestowitz MinceR: UEFI secure mjg59 [02:22] MinceR lol [02:22] schestowitz secured by Microsoft [02:22] MinceR yeah, vendor lock-in is also "security" [02:23] schestowitz "you can't boot that! We don't approve this distro" [02:23] dyfet obscurity is now called "security" [02:23] schestowitz or cover-up [02:23] schestowitz like, don't mention we got cracked [02:23] schestowitz or there would be fines [02:23] dyfet Kill the messenger.... [02:24] DaemonFC[m] Must be why they have those three shirts for $300 deals. [02:24] schestowitz we need more leaking (of info) mechanisms [02:24] schestowitz dyfet: maybe submit mechanisms in gemini [02:24] schestowitz I will look into it [02:24] schestowitz there is POST-like support in that protocol [02:24] schestowitz you can submit a URL or text with TLS [02:24] dyfet we need mechanisms not hard-wired to the intel community (washpost, nytimes drop boxes are...) [02:25] schestowitz yes [02:25] schestowitz means deviating from what was marked by NSA [02:25] schestowitz like Tor [02:25] schestowitz all the common methods [02:25] schestowitz You have to assume they either put moles there or bribed existing staffers to become moles [02:25] schestowitz like sigi in wikileaks (iceland) [02:26] schestowitz so roll out your own [02:26] schestowitz I am going to consider making a dropbox over gemini [02:26] schestowitz but there are char limits [02:26] schestowitz and dropping a url to some random url isn't ideal [02:26] dyfet I do know they have such moles in the eff... [02:26] schestowitz *random address/sitre [02:27] schestowitz dyfet: the EFF is a lobbying firm now [02:27] schestowitz they even relocated accordingly [02:28] dyfet I already had found they are untrustworthy... [02:28] schestowitz we wrote some articles about it [02:28] schestowitz but maybe not enough, assuming you know names of compromised staffers [02:30] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-130221.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-130221.txt Read the log now... [02:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Saturday, February 13, 2021 [02:30] dyfet There are still legal penalties for revealing undercover cia officers...and I don't have the friends Libby does ;). [02:31] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-130221.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-130221.txt Read the log now... [02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, February 13, 2021 [02:31] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-130221.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-130221.txt Read the log now... [02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Saturday, February 13, 2021 [02:31] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-130221.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-130221.txt Read the log now... [02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Saturday, February 13, 2021 [02:31] schestowitz dyfet: can I take that as a "I know person x in eff is connected to the Central Intel Agency"? [02:32] schestowitz dyfet: at least one needn't worry about "no-fly" lists anymore... [02:32] schestowitz I mean, who's flying? [02:32] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-02-13.txt [02:33] dyfet I will also simply say I also do not go to defcon... [02:33] schestowitz definitely a con [02:33] schestowitz NSA talks [02:34] schestowitz after snowden they had to pretend for a year or two to be "angry" [02:34] schestowitz then it's business as usual" [02:34] schestowitz Snowden is "old news" now [02:34] schestowitz PRISM no longer exists [02:34] schestowitz or whatever newer programmes exist [02:36] dyfet I do not have new info on that, but yes, so much already has been buried... [02:36] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 16.41 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 3.25 swarm size (avg): 121.78 [02:44] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:46] dyfet ipfs and gemini... techrights is rather interesting as tech too... [02:49] techrights-bot #FreeSoftware Makes Life Easier, Not Harder http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/making-life-easier-with-freesw/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [02:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Makes Life Easier, Not Harder | Techrights [02:49] schestowitz dyfet: thanks! [02:49] schestowitz dyfet: soon we'll broadcast, using a cronjob, the latest CIDs [02:49] schestowitz so that they get passed around and replicated across the woeld [02:49] schestowitz *Wordl [02:49] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [02:49] schestowitz with all pf today's articles [02:50] schestowitz gnunet is not yet stable software [02:50] schestowitz but we intend to adopt that too at some stage [02:50] dyfet I know... [02:50] schestowitz let's pull the rug from under monopolists' feet [02:50] schestowitz should be amusing to see, to say the least [02:51] schestowitz they always tried to stay a step ahead on "crypto" and "blockchain" things [02:51] schestowitz and FUD about things like bitcoin is abundant in wall street media [02:52] dyfet or repurpose them...and takeover from within. Hmm...where have I seen that discussed recently in another context? ;) [02:52] schestowitz the log file for gemini for past 12 hours is almost 1mb in size [02:53] schestowitz we only announced it ~2 days ago [02:53] dyfet That is cool also. It says there is demand for exit ramps. [02:53] schestowitz dyfet: #cancelStallman [02:53] schestowitz "for the wimin" [02:54] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:54] schestowitz dyfet: we not have a round robin cron job to keep gemini up to date with latest articles [02:54] schestowitz plus irc logs etc. [02:54] schestowitz I will test that in a minute [02:54] schestowitz a lot of our code and system-level stuff like cron job is fresh and barely tested [02:55] dyfet You should do an article on techrights tech [02:55] schestowitz in one minute my node is ipfs is /supposed/ to be turned on on its own [02:55] schestowitz turns out i needed to add a sleep command to space things out, otherwise it would not start [02:55] schestowitz dyfet: we do that sometimes [02:55] schestowitz we also have internal git [02:55] dyfet I probably had missed that, but that is good. [02:55] schestowitz but the tools need to be generalised [02:56] schestowitz too much hard-coded into them [02:56] schestowitz yes! it works :-) [02:56] schestowitz finally [02:56] schestowitz after 7 days of testing and failing [02:56] schestowitz ipfs commands do not work well in conjuction [02:56] schestowitz and I run ipfs 3 times every 60 seconds [02:56] schestowitz to turn it on and off you need to call out external script [02:56] schestowitz then add sleep 30 or similar in it [02:57] schestowitz otherwise it would oddly enough not obey the command [02:57] schestowitz took me ages to figure that conflict out [02:57] schestowitz raspi full backup done yesterday, will be replicated to several drives [02:58] schestowitz our logging of gemini is also ad hoc [02:58] schestowitz used iftop to make it work [02:58] schestowitz iftop -i wlan0 -P -t -L 1000 | grep -B 0 -A 1 :1965 | grep -v :1965 >> /home/gemini/log.txt [02:58] schestowitz we purge these later, they're used for testing purposes for now ● Feb 14 [03:00] techrights-bot Defense to Deliver Rebuttal on Day 4 of #Impeachment Trial After Dems Dub Trump 'Inciter-in-Chief' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/02/12/watch-live-defense-deliver-rebuttal-day-4-impeachment-trial-after-dems-dub-trump [03:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | WATCH LIVE: Defense to Deliver Rebuttal on Day 4 of Impeachment Trial After Dems Dub Trump 'Inciter-in-Chief' | Common Dreams News [03:01] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats TotalIn: 6.3 MB TotalOut: 1.5 MB [03:01] DaemonFC[m] "Mr. Orban has few options for reviving the Hungarian economy, as he is opposed to handing out meaningful relief aid to citizens and businesses and appears to be betting big on getting the whole country vaccinated, with an eye on next years elections." [03:01] techrights-ipfs New bulletin just generated and added to IPFS with CID: [03:01] DaemonFC[m] Too much in the chicken wire budger. [03:01] DaemonFC[m] *budget [03:01] techrights-ipfs QmcgJMK25sS8KvDP91WGCs8mnD3BshA4mPSR8uGCMM78po [03:02] techrights-bot NEWS #CounterPunch Lying Lawyers and Butt-kissing Senators: The First Days of Trumps Second #Impeachment Trial https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/12/lying-lawyers-and-butt-kissing-senators-the-first-days-of-trumps-second-impeachment-trial/ [03:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lying Lawyers and Butt-kissing Senators: The First Days of Trumps Second Impeachment Trial - CounterPunch.org [03:06] dyfet That was depressing. [03:07] techrights-bot NEWS #CounterPunch #Neoliberalism and Its Discontents https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/12/neoliberalism-and-its-discontents-2/ [03:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Neoliberalism and Its Discontents - CounterPunch.org [03:12] techrights-bot "Let me suggest that Kings prescription remains as valid today as when he issued it more than half a century ago hence, my excuse for returning to it so soon after citing it in a previous TomDispatch. Sadly, however, neither the American people nor the American ruling class seem any more inclined to take that prescription seriously today than I was in 1967." https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/12/when-poisons- [03:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When Poisons Curdle: Beyond Donald Trump - CounterPunch.org [03:12] techrights-bot NEWS #TruthOut #boeing #impunity #corporateCrimes Ralph Nader: Biden Must Hold Boeing Accountable for Deaths Due to Faulty Planes https://truthout.org/video/ralph-nader-biden-must-hold-boeing-accountable-for-deaths-due-to-faulty-planes/ [03:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Ralph Nader: Biden Must Hold Boeing Accountable for Deaths Due to Faulty Planes [03:14] dyfet Moral courage is not Biden's thing... [03:15] schestowitz it also take courage to oppress the public [03:16] schestowitz or to protect the minority [03:16] schestowitz *not racial) [03:18] DaemonFC[m] "A Hungarian punk band says video of a live performance it gave as part of a government program to support musicians during the coronavirus was censored of all political content, and that a band member was beaten by unknown assailants days after the concert." [03:18] techrights-bot "Making Custom #GNU #Linux Desktops and installing them from stock settings." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QQps1qTgG4 [03:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Make a Custom Linux Desktop | My AwesomeWM Theme - YouTube [03:18] DaemonFC[m] Unknown assailants. [03:19] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [03:23] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [03:24] *dyfet (~dyfet@pool-108-25-83-130.atclnj.fios.verizon.net) has left #techrights [03:27] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: with MHGA hats [03:29] MinceR like the "unknown" bald soccer fans who blocked opposition politicians from submitting referendum requests [03:30] schestowitz "fans" [03:30] schestowitz "soccer" [03:33] MinceR or like the "unknown" soldiers who occupied crimea :> [03:36] schestowitz and the "unknown" gases [03:36] schestowitz or palaces [03:36] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [03:36] schestowitz "no more questions!" [03:36] MinceR :> [03:36] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 15.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 3.26 swarm size (avg): 121.77 [03:37] techrights-bot "Well, thats the U.S., isnt it? We have what is referred to by scholars as an adversarial legal system where two sides on an issue battle it out through their lawyers. The conspicuous flaw in this system is that the stronger party always has an advantage in a fight." https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/12/should-we-kill-the-classics/ [03:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Should We Kill the Classics? - CounterPunch.org [03:39] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C98K1Lg5blU [03:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chinese reporters dramatic eye-roll goes viral, then gets censored - YouTube [03:39] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcdeHEqZKC0 [03:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Theres nothing to see in reporter's eye roll at Two Sessions| Hu Says - YouTube [03:39] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T2g_FyqURA [03:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Blue and red war: Eye-rolling journalist goes viral on Chinese internet - YouTube [03:42] techrights-bot #FreeBSD 13 BETA2 Released With Working 32-bit Builds, Kernel TLS Offload http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147609#comment-28267 #bsd #unix [03:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 13.0-BETA2 Now Available | Tux Machines [03:43] techrights-bot #IOuring Will Be Even Faster With Linux 5.12 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.12-Faster-IO_uring #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/14/#latest [03:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IO_uring Will Be Even Faster With Linux 5.12 - Phoronix [03:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [03:44] techrights-bot #IDMAPPED Mounts Aim For Linux 5.12 - Many New Use-Cases From Containers To Systemd-Homed - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=IDMAPPED-Mounts-Linux-5.12 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/14/#latest [03:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IDMAPPED Mounts Aim For Linux 5.12 - Many New Use-Cases From Containers To Systemd-Homed - Phoronix [03:45] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [03:48] techrights-bot Data Suggests CoC + #Outreachy Hasnt Helped Increase Female Participation In #Debian http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147638 good 'feel' programs of monopolistic corporations aren't meant to help, except their image/PR. #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [03:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Data Suggests CoC + Outreachy Hasn't Helped Increase Female Participation In Debian | Tux Machines [03:48] MinceR what a surprise [03:48] techrights-bot Best Media Center Applications for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147637 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [03:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Media Center Applications for Linux | Tux Machines [03:50] schestowitz MinceR: http://techrights.org/2021/02/10/outreachy-coc-diversity-results-debian/ [03:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Does Outreachy and a Code of Conduct Increase Diversity? Case Study From Debian | Techrights [03:50] schestowitz See comments in Phoronix [03:50] schestowitz interesting is that Larabel chose to cover it, for a change [03:50] schestowitz he was blasted by some 'activists' [03:50] schestowitz and later he defended those Google-sponsored programs [03:51] schestowitz which I never thought would truly pay off, except for Google (PR gain) [03:52] techrights-bot "When you get into Vim, you will want Vim keys everywhere, even in places where it doesn't always make a ton of sense." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq0dnkv_HeM [03:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VibreOffice: Even LibreOffice Gets Vim Emulation - YouTube [03:53] techrights-bot "As more and more people are buying crypto currency and trading them, the more there is a need to keep with the current rates for these digital assets. Especially since the price of these currencies are on a meteoric rise in the last few months." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB-1DlaLEOo [03:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Crypto Currency Rates From The Command Line - YouTube [03:53] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [03:55] DaemonFC[m] Some were saying Terminator Dark Fate made Salvation look good. [03:55] DaemonFC[m] Salvation wasn't too bad, except for having Michael Ironside in it and the T-800 doing at least several things that would have killed anyone, that John Connor walked away from. [03:56] DaemonFC[m] They should have kept the original ending where the T-800 killed him and Marcus became "John Connor". [03:59] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Feb 14 [04:01] MinceR what's the matter with Michael Ironside? [04:05] MinceR schestowitz: nice article. are moronix comments worth bothering with this time? [04:06] techrights-bot Let's infect the #raspi with some more #nsa #backdoors https://www.prweb.com/releases/stratodesk_one_of_first_providers_worldwide_to_support_windows_virtual_desktop_linux_client_on_both_x86_and_raspberry_pi/prweb17721584.htm [04:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prweb.com | Stratodesk One of First Providers Worldwide to Support Windows Virtual Desktop Linux Client on both x86 and Raspberry Pi [04:08] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, February 13, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:08] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [04:08] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:12] DaemonFC[m] Highlander 2. [04:12] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:12] MinceR i don't remember Highlander 2 [04:13] MinceR i do remember Scanners and Starship Troopers, though [04:14] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, Highlander 2 was poorly written. [04:14] techrights-bot NEWS #meduza #ru #russia #Belarus The #Lukashenko circus Why the All-Belarusian Peoples Assembly matters and what it means for the opposition https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/02/12/the-lukashenko-circus [04:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [04:17] techrights-bot "Official" #covid19 death toll in the US said to be half a million and some estimates I saw said total excess death at one million next month. That's how many "more than usual" people die. Insurance companies should adapt and pension age LOWERED. [04:18] techrights-bot NEWS #meduza #ru #russia #Navalny Jailed pro-Navalny protester hospitalized in intensive care following #hungerstrike https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/02/12/jailed-pro-navalny-protester-hospitalized-in-intensive-care-following-hunger-strike [04:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [04:19] techrights-bot #Microsoft now speaks on behalf of #RaspberryPi http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/raspberry-pi-making-things-worse/ [04:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Than a Fortnight After Installing Microsoft Surveillance and Keys on Millions of Computers Without Users Consent the Spin Comes From the Raspberry Pi Company (via Microsoft) | Techrights [04:21] techrights-bot How to debunk the #brexit myth that #uk is somehow "better" than the rest of #europe https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ [04:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United Kingdom Coronavirus: 4,027,106 Cases and 116,908 Deaths - Worldometer [04:24] techrights-bot What happens when you put nontechnical people in positions of power somewhere like the #gnomefoundation http://deblanc.net/blog/2021/02/13/proprietary-definition-02/ see http://techrights.org/2021/02/09/freesw-license-redefined/ [04:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deblanc.net | Proprietary (definition) 02 | Life on M [04:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation and OSI Move on to Extend Phase Against the Free Software Definition (or Against Software Freedom) | Techrights [04:26] techrights-bot "Version 3.12 of #GNU #mailutils is available for download" http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9936 [04:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Mailutils - News: Version 3.12 [Savannah] [04:27] techrights-bot "Version 1.34 of #GNU tar is available for download (see the download directory for archives in other formats)." http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9935 [04:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU tar - News: Version 1.34 [Savannah] [04:27] techrights-bot #GNU #FreeIPMI 1.6.7 Released http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9937 [04:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU FreeIPMI - News: FreeIPMI 1.6.7 Released [Savannah] [04:28] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [04:29] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Congratulations on overtaking the US in deaths per capita just months after bragging that your government wasn't as incompetent as Trump's [04:29] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: The mRNA vaccines seem to be the only ones holding up to the more aggressive variations so far. [04:30] techrights-bot Bad ideas: turning your computers into #listeningDevices wires into the #pentagon and sometimes even #police departments. #espionage #google https://www.mysmartprice.com/gear/heres-app-bring-google-assistant-windows-macos-linux-pcs-install-use/ [04:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mysmartprice.com | Here's An App To Bring Google Assistant to Windows, macOS or Linux PCs: How You to Install and Use [04:30] DaemonFC[m] The one developed in the UK is almost useless against the South Africa strain. [04:30] schestowitz we were always ahead of you [04:30] schestowitz re death/capita [04:30] DaemonFC[m] Which just means you're vaccinating people for one thing and creating more room for something else. [04:30] schestowitz in terms of excess deaths, you may be well ahead [04:30] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: no, you are guessing [04:31] schestowitz little is known about those products [04:31] schestowitz yet you profess to be some expert [04:31] DaemonFC[m] These multiple versions are competing to see which is more fit to survive the conditions that are out there. [04:31] schestowitz driving 8 hour across a state for some useless "First shot" [04:31] schestowitz and citing Israeli propaganda [04:31] schestowitz anyway [04:31] schestowitz bbl [04:32] DaemonFC[m] A Pfizer executive testified that the Coronavirus will almost certainly mutate to resist theirs, and they'll have to tweak it. [04:32] DaemonFC[m] But if we can contain the problem quickly before there are many more mutations, then the hope is that we can kind of head that off. [04:33] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:33] DaemonFC[m] They're talking about being able to cut the production time in half again. [04:33] DaemonFC[m] 60 days for a batch instead of 110. [04:33] techrights-bot #canonical (?) "Internal company chat is #Mattermost , and a couple of other projects use it." https://popey.com/blog/2021/02/messaging-overload/ [04:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | Messaging Overload - Alan Pope's blog [04:35] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: What concerns me is I've been seeing more people taking their masks off once they're inside Walmart. Nobody does anything. [04:35] DaemonFC[m] So it's always been a situation where the damned thing is out there, but I just feel things are coming to a head soon if I didn't act, and they won't even let me get a vaccine, so it was 8 hours across a state for one of us. [04:36] DaemonFC[m] The one who is at the most risk. [04:36] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 12.85 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 15.58 swarm size (avg): 121.76 [04:38] DaemonFC[m] I explained what we knew about the vaccine and what the risks appear to be. [04:39] DaemonFC[m] The "Facebook experts" are the ones that concern me here. They say "This guy got the vaccine and died a few days later.". People die all the time. [04:39] DaemonFC[m] 11% of the US population has had at least one dose. That's over 40 million people. [04:39] DaemonFC[m] Some of them will die a few days after getting the vaccine and it would have happened either way because people die. [04:40] techrights-bot [04:40] techrights-bot Things Most People Do After Installing #Debian http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147641 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Things Most People Do After Installing Debian | Tux Machines [04:41] techrights-bot #ProprietarySoftware Shoehorned Into the #FreeSoftware World http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147640 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Shoehorned Into the Free Software World | Tux Machines [04:41] techrights-bot GNU Releases: #mailutils , tar and #FreeIPMI http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147639 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Releases: mailutils, tar and FreeIPMI | Tux Machines [04:45] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: My grandmother's nursing home has been declared COVID-free after the state came in and had all of the staff and residents vaccinated. [04:47] techrights-bot #fedora 33 has new builds with fixes in them. https://jbwillia.wordpress.com/2021/02/13/f33-updated-live-isos-released-20210212/ #ibm #redhat #gnu #linux [04:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jbwillia.wordpress.com | F33 updated Live isos Released 20210212 | Jbwillia's Weblog [04:48] DaemonFC[m] It was getting worse practically by the second. [04:50] techrights-bot "Heres your weekly #Fedora report. Read what happened this week and whats coming up." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2021-06/ [04:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-06 Fedora Community Blog [04:57] techrights-bot Latest High-Profile Videos/Audiocasts/Shows About GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147646 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest High-Profile Videos/Audiocasts/Shows About GNU/Linux | Tux Machines [04:57] techrights-bot Latest Additions to Linux and Killing #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147645 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest Additions to Linux and 'Killing' UNIX | Tux Machines [04:57] techrights-bot #Fedora and #IBM / #RedHat http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147644 #GNU #Linux [04:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora and IBM/Red Hat | Tux Machines [04:58] techrights-bot The #TurrisOmnia #Security -Focused #Freesw Router http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147643 #TuxMachines [04:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Turris Omnia Security-Focused Open Source Router | Tux Machines [04:58] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147642 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [04:59] techrights-bot NEWS #meduza #ru #russia Every hour counts! Russian officials drafted legislation that would allow the #police to access peoples geolocation data without judicial oversight. Useful streamlining or dangerous surveillance? https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/02/12/every-hour-counts [04:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE ● Feb 14 [05:02] schestowitz test http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/making-life-easier-with-freesw/ [05:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Makes Life Easier, Not Harder | Techrights [05:02] schestowitz ok [05:04] techrights-bot "How conservatives fell in love with trash culture, and why it reflects their rage." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/02/12/right-devolves-js-bach-skinhead-rock [05:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The Right Devolves From J.S. Bach to Skinhead Rock [05:08] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I think my grandmother got the Moderna one. [05:09] DaemonFC[m] I told mom, "I'll bet you still can't get her to stay in her room even with more than half the residents with it.". She said I was right. [05:09] techrights-bot Links 14/2/2021: #Debian 11 'Bullseye' Freeze, Lots of KDE Developments http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/debian-11-bullseye-freeze/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [05:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/2/2021: Debian 11 Bullseye Freeze, Lots of KDE Developments | Techrights [05:09] DaemonFC[m] So we were kind of cringing that it was taking the state so long to get out there. [05:10] *brendyyn (~brendyyn@124-169-149-130.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrights [05:36] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 12.85 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 15.58 swarm size (avg): 121.53 [05:44] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Support Richard Stallman! | https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/) ● Feb 14 [06:36] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 12.85 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 15.58 swarm size (avg): 121.31 ● Feb 14 [07:11] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: if it is abundant, the prices will go down [07:13] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams #Health 'We Won't Be Intimidated,' Says NY AG After #Amazon Files Preemptive Suit Over #Covid19 Worker Safety https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/02/12/we-wont-be-intimidated-says-ny-ag-after-amazon-files-preemptive-suit-over-covid-19 [07:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'We Won't Be Intimidated,' Says NY AG After Amazon Files Preemptive Suit Over Covid-19 Worker Safety | Common Dreams News [07:16] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147647 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [07:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [07:16] techrights-bot #HowTo Install #Java in Arch Linux and Manjaro http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147648 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [07:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Install Java in Arch Linux and Manjaro | Tux Machines [07:18] techrights-bot Despite many fallacies and the lingering stigma, a life full of free (as in freedom) software is a much richer life, if not financially then in terms like personal contentment and personal freedom (including the freedom of expression) http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/making-life-easier-with-freesw/ [07:21] techrights-bot #Patent #litigation and #extortion zealots and profiteers are teaching how to get illegal #softwarepatents by calling these "Hey Hi" (AI hype) https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/02/program-on-patenting-artificial-intelligence.html [07:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Program on Patenting Artificial Intelligence [07:34] techrights-bot It is a disgrace that journals would print smear campaign and words like "Efficient Infringement" to insinuate some companies that strive for sane patent law are just guilty and reckless https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3771052 [07:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-papers.ssrn.com | Efficient Infringement and the Rule of Law by Jorge L. Contreras :: SSRN [07:36] techrights-bot Some journals would print fluff, buzzwords and hype wave like "Hey Hi" instead of talking in actual, technical terms ttps://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3776236 [07:36] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 12.85 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 15.58 swarm size (avg): 121.08 [07:37] techrights-bot Defecting from #science to being a parasite https://anchor.fm/howilawyer [07:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anchor.fm | How I Lawyer Podcast with Jonah Perlin A podcast on Anchor [07:38] techrights-bot #Clearview are criminals. Pure evil not just because of what they do but also the pursuit of #fakepatents such as #swpats using buzzwords like "HEY HI" https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolinehaskins1/facial-recognition-clearview-patent-dating [07:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeednews.com | This Clearview AI Patent Proposal Describes Using Facial Recognition For Dating [07:44] techrights-bot #Canada adopting (or trying to adopt) what #EPO "Mafia" used to push for #softwarepatents in spite of their illegality ("problem-solution"): "new guidelines to computer-implemented inventions" https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/canadian-patent-law-2020-a-year-in-2069040/ [07:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canadian Patent Law 2020: A Year in Review | Smart & Biggar - JDSupra [07:46] techrights-bot #Apple is evil not just because of its mass #surveillance agenda (it misleads the public by misusing the words) but also this whole extremist #patent agenda, which it willfully facilitates https://www.biometricupdate.com/202102/lawsuit-alleges-apple-biometrics-infringe-patents-claims-against-amazon-sent-to-arbitration [07:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.biometricupdate.com | Lawsuit alleges Apple biometrics infringe patents, claims against Amazon sent to arbitration | Biometric Update [07:49] techrights-bot Some people in the #eu -- and even elected officials -- call out the #FamousCriminal #billGates (stakeholder) for exploiting #patents to induce price hikes which deny poor people #AccessToMedicine https://zeenews.india.com/india/eu-parliamentarians-back-india-south-africa-proposal-for-covid-19-vaccine-patent-waiver-2339781.html see http://techrights.org/2021/02/04/twitter-berserk/ [07:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zeenews.india.com | EU parliamentarians back India-South Africa proposal for COVID-19 vaccine patent waiver | India News | Zee News [07:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter: We Suspend Your Account For Quoting the Media About Bill Gates | Techrights [07:52] techrights-bot #helloSystem Releases New ISOs For This macOS-Inspired #BSD Desktop OS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147467#comment-28268 #unix [07:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | helloSystem is a FreeBSD Distro Modelled on Mac OS X (Off Topic) | Tux Machines [07:58] techrights-bot Project #Tofino is doomed before they outsourced it to a #proprietarySoftware prison of #monopoly abuser #microsoft https://medium.com/project-tofino/introducing-datomish-a-flexible-embedded-knowledge-store-1d7976bff344 #deletegithub [07:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Introducing Project Mentat, a flexible embedded knowledge store | by Richard Newman | Project Tofino | Medium [07:59] techrights-bot Franois Marier: Creating a Kodia media PC using a Raspberry Pi 4 http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/creating-kodi-media-pc-raspberry-pi/ maybe choose another SBC. #raspi is compromised: http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/raspberry-pi-making-things-worse/ [07:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feeding.cloud.geek.nz | Creating a Kodia media PC using a Raspberry Pi 4 [07:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Than a Fortnight After Installing Microsoft Surveillance and Keys on Millions of Computers Without Users Consent the Spin Comes From the Raspberry Pi Company (via Microsoft) | Techrights ● Feb 14 [08:02] techrights-bot Monolithic Hybrid Micro Nano #Kernel OS and examples https://dwaves.de/2021/02/13/monolithic-hybrid-micro-nano-kernel-os-and-examples/ [08:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Monolithic Hybrid Micro Nano Kernel OS and examples | dwaves.de [08:03] techrights-bot Is this a review or an ad? Hard to tell these days... https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/02/14/vacos-cam-ai-security-camera-review-part-1-specifications-unboxing-and-teardown/ [08:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Vacos Cam AI Security Camera Review - Part 1: Specifications, Unboxing and Teardown [08:07] techrights-bot #Commell doomed its market prospects by going with an energy-wasting back-doored chip (when vastly better options exist) http://linuxgizmos.com/pico-itx-and-mini-itx-boards-take-off-with-tiger-lake/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [08:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Pico-ITX and Mini-ITX boards take off with Tiger Lake [08:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [08:10] techrights-bot #MiriamBallhausen and #FSFE are connected, based on this post https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210214-01.en.html see http://techrights.org/2020/08/29/debian-threats-bird-and-bird/ [08:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | Join us I Love Free Software Day 2021 - FSFE [08:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Miriam Ballhausen and Debian Money, DebConf Online, Insulting a Volunteer at a Time of Grief | Techrights [08:14] psydroid They are being paid incentives to build such boards? I can't come up with a legitimate use case unless you need the compute power or the binary compatibility, both of which are hardly relevant for embedded devices [08:16] schestowitz maybe they can add a diesel generator to that board [08:18] techrights-bot Trust the checksum... until you cannot https://blog.bembel.net/2021/02/the-mysterious-change-of-a-checksum/ [08:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.bembel.net | The mysterious change of a checksum bembel.net [08:19] mjg59 Commell have been selling Intel-based SBCs for over a decade [08:20] techrights-bot #KDE on #FreeBSD 2021O1 https://euroquis.nl//kde/2021/02/13/freebsd.html #unix #bsd [08:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | KDE on FreeBSD 2021O1 | [bobulate] [08:20] mjg59 Actually, looks like over two decades [08:21] techrights-bot "I have been looking into extending the coordinate-based timezone lookup system we have in #KItinerary , in order to ready it for being moved to #KDE Frameworks." https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2021/02/13/osm-country-subdivision-boundary-polygons.html [08:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.volkerkrause.eu | ISO 3166-1/2 Boundary Polygons [08:22] techrights-bot "Along with that I am going to continue my work on updating documents for #GNOME and my next task is updating Evince." https://pranalideshmukh.wordpress.com/2021/02/13/gsod-project-report/ [08:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pranalideshmukh.wordpress.com | GSoD Project Report Pranali Deshmukh [08:26] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, February 13, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/irc-log-130221/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [08:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, February 13, 2021 | Techrights [08:27] techrights-bot We got some flattering words from a #gnu developer last night, after he had realised #techrights isn't just "some blog" but a whole team of people with lots of code and operations and devices around the world. We're bigger than we seem on the surface. [08:29] techrights-bot Using #vpn on #microsoft #windows #vista10 for #privacy purposes it like going to brothels to reduce the chances of STD contraction associated with a relationship [08:31] techrights-bot There are so many issues associated with #privacy in Signal that I've lost track and count of them. But coup and imperialism (back doors) proponent Musk wants you to use it. As bad as an endorsement gets. https://gadgets.ndtv.com/how-to/features/signal-desktop-how-to-use-on-laptop-pc-mac-linux-windows-steps-guide-2368560 [08:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | How to Use Signal on Your Laptop or PC | NDTV Gadgets 360 [08:32] techrights-bot If you do not privately exchange keys with someone (no, nobody in the middle should do this) and if your system has back doors in it, you are NOT enjoying #privacy -- just the illusion of it [08:34] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [08:34] techrights-bot What is Decision Trees http://ultralinux.org/post/what-is-decision-trees/ key concept in modern #programming [08:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ultralinux.org | What is Decision Trees [08:36] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 12.85 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 15.58 swarm size (avg): 120.85 [08:39] Ariadne there are lots of x86 SBCs [08:43] schestowitz yes, unfortunately [08:43] schestowitz [09:23] NEWS #Bloomberg #GAFAM #softbank Google, Microsoft, Qualcomm Protest #Nvidia s Acquisition of Arm Ltd. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-12/google-microsoft-qualcomm-protest-nvidia-s-arm-acquisition [08:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [08:43] schestowitz [09:23] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- Google, Microsoft, Qualcomm Protest Nvidias Arm Acquisition - Bloomberg [08:43] schestowitz [09:23] NEWS #TheVerge #GAFAM #patents #monopoly #hardware Microsoft, Google, and Qualcomm are reportedly nervous about Nvidia acquiring Arm https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/12/22280262/qualcomm-microsoft-google-nvidia-arm-acquisition-investigations-concerns [08:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft, Google, and Qualcomm are reportedly nervous about Nvidia acquiring Arm - The Verge [08:43] schestowitz [09:23] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- www.theverge.com | Microsoft, Google, and Qualcomm are reportedly nervous about Nvidia acquiring Arm - The Verge [08:44] mjg59 So it's not clear why a company that's been making them for decades has doomed its market prospects by making another? [08:44] schestowitz the world is moving on [08:44] schestowitz price- and performance-wise [08:45] schestowitz bang for buck (of watt) improved [08:45] mjg59 If their customers currently want x86, then trying to sell them something that isn't x86 seems like it would do more harm to their prospects [08:45] Ariadne yes, x86 sucks [08:45] Ariadne however [08:46] Ariadne there's a lot of embedded linux distros that are x86 [08:46] Ariadne and stuff like pfsense [08:46] Ariadne that usually gets deployed onto x86 SBCs like pcengines apu2 [08:46] Ariadne also there are power efficient x86 cpus, such as geode. they're not particularly speedy, but they're fast enough to push packets around [08:47] Ariadne i would say x86 is still king in bespoke networking middleboxes [08:47] Ariadne part of the reason why is, a lot of NIC drivers and such make assumptions about x86 memory model in their code [08:48] techrights-bot Give something from the heart to the #publicdomain https://opensource.com/article/21/2/public-domain you go first, #ibm ... maybe toss proprietary racist Watson at the public domain? [08:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Give something from the heart to the public domain | Opensource.com [08:48] Ariadne now obviously there are more modern NPUs with integrated ARM CPUs [08:49] Ariadne and those products are pretty good [08:49] Ariadne but those products aren't necessarily supported by VyOS or pfSense [08:49] Ariadne and those NOS are basically king in networking middleboxes [08:50] techrights-bot Something explosive about #google and #debian is about to come out [08:50] Ariadne yes, world is moving on, but world is not fully moved on yet. there's definitely life in the x86 SBC market for the next decade [08:51] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147649 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [08:51] Ariadne Intel Atom is quite competitive performance/watt to ARM cores too [08:51] Ariadne a lot of the whitebox switches use Intel Atom SoCs [08:51] techrights-bot Why programmers love Linux packaging http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147650 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #programming [08:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why programmers love Linux packaging | Tux Machines [08:51] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147651 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [08:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [08:52] Ariadne also, people doing networking don't necessarily chase the latest and greatest [08:52] Ariadne they tend to prefer solutions that they know are reliable [08:52] Ariadne so, if they know some x86 SBC is reliable, they're going to stick with it until they need better capabilities, because they know it won't wake them up at 3 AM [08:53] Ariadne most people don't care about the low level details, they care about the appliance not waking them up at 3 AM because everything is down [08:54] schestowitz I mentioned two aspects [08:54] schestowitz one was security [08:54] Ariadne this is also why Marvell is still selling Octeon MIPS CPUs hand over fist despite all of their efforts going to ARM [08:54] schestowitz the other costs, esp. wrt power [08:54] Ariadne well, x86 cores can be secure [08:54] Ariadne and reasonably power efficient [08:54] psydroid https://forum.opnsense.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=jopib31mjbb2b85chudbeuej3n&topic=12186.210 [08:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.opnsense.org | [Work In Progress] OPNsense Ported into ARM Devices [08:55] schestowitz :)_ [08:55] schestowitz bsd [08:55] Ariadne but the main thing people look for in a middlebox is uptime [08:55] Ariadne as long as it uses a reasonable power draw and is stable, they don't care [08:55] schestowitz it amazes me how little power the raspi4 takes for how much computational power [08:55] schestowitz it can run on a couple of batteries [08:55] Ariadne raspi4 isn't appropriate for a middlebox tho [08:55] schestowitz the ones you buy in pound stores [08:55] Ariadne not enough I/O [08:56] schestowitz you can make a cluster [08:56] Ariadne you can get intel atom CPUs that use less than 5 watts power (like ARM) and have assloads of I/O [08:56] schestowitz not that I would now... seeing raspi isn't doing anything at all to deescalate the microsoft blunder [08:56] schestowitz they help Microsoft use raspi as Trojan horse of Microsoft in classrooms [08:57] schestowitz > assloads of I/O [08:57] schestowitz "loading arse" [08:57] schestowitz "loading complete" [08:57] schestowitz "shit's going down" [08:58] Ariadne the atom p5942b has 32 lanes of PCIe in 5 watts [08:58] *psydroid expects Microsoft to acquire Raspberry Pi Inc for a few pennies OR celebrate its death [08:59] Ariadne the only thing that gets close to that is some of the NXP layerscape stuff, but there's less cores than the atom has [08:59] Ariadne and atom doesn't have hyperthreading [08:59] Ariadne so most of the x86 security problems aren't present [08:59] psydroid are there Atoms with more than 16 cores? ● Feb 14 [09:00] Ariadne no [09:00] Ariadne but the competing ARM NPU is the NXP layerscape 2160a which is higher power consumption [09:00] Ariadne and less PCIe lanes (though you have more SERDES lanes than the Atom has) [09:01] schestowitz psydroid: they've dug their own graves, BUT... [09:01] schestowitz we don't know who facilitated this infiltration [09:01] schestowitz certainly not Upton [09:01] schestowitz and he certainly isn't doing anything, at least not visibly (to the public) to tackle this issue [09:01] schestowitz Microsoft had a go at him about 4 years ago [09:01] schestowitz to make raspi just a windows PC [09:02] schestowitz not sure why they stopped, but surely something then happened [09:02] schestowitz and they have a go at them again [09:02] schestowitz the cult tactics are rather apparent [09:02] schestowitz they say you are "hater" and "bashing" if you say "No!" [09:03] psydroid isn't that what Robert X. Cringely said about Microsoft? [09:03] schestowitz no [09:03] schestowitz he said something else [09:03] schestowitz unless he said more things [09:03] schestowitz he talked about how gates and ballmer schemed to 'rob' allen [09:04] psydroid from what I see they will keep trying until the plan has succeeded [09:04] Ariadne yeah well paul allen owns spectrum cable now [09:04] Ariadne or his family does [09:04] Ariadne soooo he's not hurting [09:04] Ariadne (: [09:05] schestowitz he also has a patent troll [09:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Interval [09:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Interval - Techrights [09:08] psydroid I'm wondering now if I was actually targetted as was a teacher of mine ,who is an open Microsoft critic, when I was invited to the opening of the quantum computing lab 2 years ago and it makes me not trust even my own university [09:09] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [09:09] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:14] schestowitz they target many people [09:14] schestowitz me included [09:14] schestowitz several times [09:14] schestowitz they're a dangerous cult [09:15] schestowitz vis-a-vis: [09:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/04/20/scientology-microsoft/ [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Government Delegate Compares Microsoft Methods to Scientology Cult | Techrights [09:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/07/09/cult-mentality/ [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsofts Fingers in Every Pie: The Cult Mentality That Society Needs to Become Wary of | Techrights [09:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2012/04/28/microsoft-cult-vs-zachariades/ [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cult Mentality at Microsoft and Its Allies | Techrights [09:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/05/07/microsoft-breakdown/ [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Cult-Like Tactics Destroy Hospitals by Ripping Apart Everything Microsoft (and the NSA) Cannot Control | Techrights [09:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/30/microsoft-as-a-cult/ [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is Like a Cult, According to Former Microsoft Insider | Techrights [09:33] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-168-60.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:34] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-168-60.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:38] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [09:52] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Feb 14 [10:04] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:09] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [10:22] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:58] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [10:59] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) ● Feb 14 [11:07] *acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [11:07] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [11:08] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [11:13] -NickServ-acer-box!~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:e084:6752:58f6:eb6a has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [11:13] *acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [11:13] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:e084:6752:58f6:eb6a) has joined #techrights [11:13] *libertybox (~schestowi@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:e084:6752:58f6:eb6a) has joined #techrights [11:39] *brendyyn has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Feb 14 [12:32] techrights-bot Hands-On with #ManjaroLinux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4: A Gem! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147652 #gnu #linux [12:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hands-On with Manjaro Linux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4: A Gem! | Tux Machines [12:34] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [12:36] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-168-60.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:36] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-168-60.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:42] *blep has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:42] *blep (~blep@gateway/tor-sasl/blep) has joined #techrights ● Feb 14 [13:02] techrights-bot Selling Ourselves Out to #ProprietarySoftware #Monopolies http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/selling-ourselves-out/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Selling Ourselves Out to Proprietary Software Monopolies | Techrights [13:11] techrights-bot Data Science isn't a job or profession. It's an offense a lot of time. But they lobby our governments to make #surveillance the norm. 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[14:24] DaemonFC[m] They recommend moving to OneDrive. [14:24] DaemonFC[m] I'll copy the email over to you in a couple hours. [14:25] DaemonFC[m] I need to take Mandy to work and make sure none of my personal info is in here first. [14:28] *rianne__ (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:d1a8:d3c5:99dc:8c7) has joined #techrights [14:30] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights ● Feb 14 [15:01] techrights-bot How We Efficiently Manage the Techrights HQ http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/techrights-hq/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [15:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How We Efficiently Manage the Techrights HQ | Techrights [15:08] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz Might be worth writing about how Samsung is turning their Android phones into Microsoft phones with each new release. [15:09] DaemonFC[m] They even set up the photo gallery to pester you to sign up for OneDrive with no way to to tell it no permanently. It comes back and asks again in a few weeks. [15:10] techrights-bot Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147653 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachine [15:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [15:13] DaemonFC[m] "More than 600,000 Americans will have died of coronavirus by June 1, model forecasts." - CNN [15:14] DaemonFC[m] Why are they bothering us with that fake model that Trump cited that said 62,000 dead by August and then it would stop? It's 500,000 already. 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[15:52] CrystalMath hundreds of thousands here received Sputnik-V [15:52] CrystalMath but i personally would go with Sinopharm [15:52] CrystalMath (BBIBP-CorV) [15:54] *mick_b64 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:55] *mick_b64 (~mick_b64@185.92.26.70) has joined #techrights [15:56] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: I really don't think that will be the vaccine of choice either way. [15:58] DaemonFC[m] It's a propaganda tool more than anything. [15:58] DaemonFC[m] The Russians say we approved something before anyone else did, and then there's no credible data on how well it works. [15:58] DaemonFC[m] They just starts injecting people with it to hopefully put a lid on the Coronavirus so fewer important people will catch it. [15:58] DaemonFC[m] *start [15:59] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: "hopefully" is exactly the right word. ● Feb 14 [16:00] DaemonFC[m] Traditional vaccines are very inefficient, and that's sort of the thing that makes mRNA vaccines a big prize. You can keep all of the secondary ingredients out, and hopefully have lower production costs, spin up production with less waste, and give the patient a more effective vaccine. [16:00] DaemonFC[m] So if it works, it's win-win-win for everyone around, but it's too soon to say. [16:01] DaemonFC[m] The spike protein mRNA is delivered either way, it's just that with more traditional vaccines, there's other stuff in there, which means it's more likely to go awry when you inject the patient with it. [16:01] DaemonFC[m] Either with side effects or lower efficacy. [16:02] DaemonFC[m] Putin's claim that Sputnik V is the most advanced vaccine ever is laughable. There's nothing particularly unique about it. Most countries and vaccine companies chose to develop vaccines that are similar in nature. [16:03] DaemonFC[m] Sputnik V is probably about as safe/effective as the Johnson & Johnson one or the AstraZeneca/Oxford one. [16:03] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: It was not a statement targeted at the competent people. [16:04] DaemonFC[m] If all I could get access to was the J&J one, then I would sit down and take it because it beats nothing, which is where we're at now unless you're on a priority list. [16:04] XRevan86 It's a statement of patriotism that Russia is ahead of everyone else once again. [16:04] XRevan86 It doesn't matter that it's not true. [16:04] DaemonFC[m] Technically, the US FDA could have approved the Pfizer and Moderna ones in May and we would have beaten Russia by a month. [16:05] DaemonFC[m] There wouldn't have been a Phase II trial, but it would be technically correct. [16:06] DaemonFC[m] For something that's never been tried before, skipping even the bare minimum of testing is pretty dangerous. Russia tested Sputnik on a couple hundred people and when (they claim) nothing went wrong over a couple of weeks, they approved it. [16:06] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Russia's cut corners and has beaten US in the race fair and square :D [16:06] DaemonFC[m] If that's your only standard of safety, then yeah. You got there first. [16:07] DaemonFC[m] Like the Olympic athletes that were "students". [16:07] DaemonFC[m] "Students" who were paid by the state to train full time for the Olympics and doped with steroids. [16:07] DaemonFC[m] Yes, Soviet Union win many medals with marvelous amateur athletes. [16:08] CrystalMath Sputnik-V is very similar to the AstraZeneca vaccine [16:08] DaemonFC[m] Comrade Colonel Putin very pleased indeed. [16:08] *mick_b64 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:08] DaemonFC[m] Shake many hand. [16:09] CrystalMath i think both are very intersting approaches [16:09] CrystalMath but i would rather go with the tried-and-true traditional vaccine [16:09] DaemonFC[m] I actually feel sorry for them that the USSR collapsed instead of undergoing reform. [16:10] DaemonFC[m] We have a much worse problem now. China. [16:10] CrystalMath i've changed my mind about china, i think they're almost okay now [16:10] DaemonFC[m] The living standards and life expectancy in Russia now is worse for most people than it was before the USSR collapsed. [16:11] CrystalMath what are you talking about? russia is great [16:12] DaemonFC[m] It's incredibly lopsided, but that's going on in the US worse than before. [16:12] DaemonFC[m] Once the threat of organized labor and Socialism passed, big business in the US started gradually lowering the standard of living to take more profit. [16:13] *XRevan86 typed "Sputink-V" into a search engine. [16:13] DaemonFC[m] At the same time, brainwashing people like mom and dad to defend the system that ended their careers, stole their pension, and gave them $10,000 deductible health insurance. [16:13] DaemonFC[m] Trump was talking about Obamacare. He said "You have to be hit by a tractor to get past your annual deductible.". [16:14] DaemonFC[m] Not far from the truth. [16:14] DaemonFC[m] Mom actually gets shittier health insurance as a nurse than Mandy does as a Walmart worker. [16:14] DaemonFC[m] His deductible is $2,200 a year, hers is $8,800 in network. [16:14] XRevan86 Lots of Vladimir Milov references. I guess he coined it :) [16:15] DaemonFC[m] His maximum annual out of pocket costs are $8,350. Hers are over $12,000. [16:15] DaemonFC[m] I think America might be the only country where people take Uber to the hospital to avoid a $5,000 ambulance ride. [16:15] XRevan86 And then there are some neutral statements where it looks like a genuine type. [16:15] DaemonFC[m] Then have to check an app while they're having a heart attack to make sure the hospital is in network. [16:15] XRevan86 * typo [16:16] DaemonFC[m] XRevan86: I took an Uber to the ER once. [16:16] DaemonFC[m] The ambulance co-pay on my insurance is $500. The Uber was $20. [16:16] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Was the taxi faster too? [16:17] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [16:17] DaemonFC[m] The guy was driving like a bat out of hell. [16:17] DaemonFC[m] America! Fuck yeah! Here to save the motherfucking day y'all! [16:17] DaemonFC[m] Just wrap it in some paper towels and call an Uber. [16:54] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:54] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) ● Feb 14 [17:01] *vZS1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:02] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [17:07] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [17:08] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:09] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [17:13] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:13] Narrator hmm [17:14] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:15] MinceR 14 165827 < DaemonFC[m]> The Russians say we approved something before anyone else did, and then there's no credible data on how well it works. [17:15] MinceR they "approved" it before they did any testing [17:16] MinceR but that's good enough for orban to force other people to take it. [17:17] MinceR 14 171116 < CrystalMath> what are you talking about? russia is great [17:17] MinceR you should try living in it, then [17:17] CrystalMath it sounds really good [17:17] CrystalMath no great reset, no carbon footprint card [17:17] MinceR we should deport all the "conservatives" into russia and build a big dome on top of it [17:18] MinceR so they'll poison their own air, not ours [17:18] MinceR and they'll make life hell for each other, not us [17:21] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Mom got mad at me when I said let's suppose that this happened in 1918 instead of the flu. [17:21] DaemonFC[m] Everyone prays to God, they have no vaccines or ventilators which were developed later by scientists. [17:22] DaemonFC[m] 5% of the world population eventually dies of COVID. [17:22] XRevan86 MinceR: Nonononono [17:23] DaemonFC[m] The Christians vilify scientists. [17:23] XRevan86 MinceR: Keep them, take ours too. [17:23] MinceR lol [17:23] MinceR we could let the sane people move out of russia first [17:23] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:24] MinceR or partition it so the dome wouldn't have to have such a complex shape anyway [17:24] DaemonFC[m] They pack church and then pray for each other AFTER they get the disease, and walk around Walmart spreading it to people who are just ringing up groceries who didn't even do anything wrong. [17:24] DaemonFC[m] Potentially killing those people and their family. [17:24] DaemonFC[m] So that they get their weekly pep talk about how much good God is doing for them (not a lot). [17:24] XRevan86 MinceR: I have a compromise. Take just Moscow. [17:24] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: How are things on that front in the UK? Did they sue to get churches open or is the government there a bit more sane about this? [17:24] XRevan86 spare the rest [17:25] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: This will eventually turn into a disease that disproportionately affects and kills people who are just generally ignorant. [17:25] MinceR lol [17:25] MinceR DaemonFC[m]: that sounds way to good to be true [17:25] DaemonFC[m] Because in a few months the vaccine will be available to at least most people who want it. [17:26] MinceR the vaccine will be available in the free world [17:26] DaemonFC[m] You mean you aren't going to get Comrade Colonel's injection? [17:26] MinceR crap with unreliable documentation, unreliable labeling and unknown contents will be available in this shithole country instead [17:26] MinceR but you can be sure that the nazis will do everything they can to please other dictators with the deal [17:27] MinceR hopefully there will be a way to go to western europe and get some genuine, tested vaccine there eventually [17:27] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: If I had to guess, without knowing much of anything, it probably played out about like how the Republicans took over Indiana. [17:28] DaemonFC[m] People hate taxes, and the only thing they hate more than taxes are the idea that it's being spent on "the undeserving poor". [17:28] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Look what we had to go to halfass a healthcare reform law. [17:28] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Again, he's Lt. Colonel! [17:28] DaemonFC[m] It places extreme emphasis on getting work, even if there is no work. [17:28] XRevan86 big difference [17:29] DaemonFC[m] Comrade Colonel disagrees. You'll be getting a glitter bomb from him soon with ricin. [17:29] DaemonFC[m] He's watching you. [17:30] MinceR there is something the "conservatives" live spending taxes on, though [17:30] MinceR it's enforcing religious rules, especially against people who haven't asked for it [17:30] MinceR s/liv/lov/ [17:30] MinceR this is called "small government" [17:30] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: They like taxes. They fund their campaigns to terrorize people who don't look or think like them. [17:31] DaemonFC[m] Indiana has spent tens of millions of dollars in court fighting and losing on gay marriage and whether people can choose X on their driver's license under "gender" or not. [17:31] DaemonFC[m] It's shit like this. [17:31] DaemonFC[m] That's not small government. [17:32] DaemonFC[m] Do you know how many people paid taxes in Indiana all year to have the state seize that and spend it attacking other people in court, just to lose? [17:33] DaemonFC[m] They could have bought food or paid the rent. Instead, the state took it and paid lawyers to make frivolous arguments that not even Republican judges went along with. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Conservatives love vexatious litigation. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] It's part of the re-election campaign, not intended to actually win. [17:47] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.129) has joined #techrights [17:49] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Feb 14 [18:04] AVRS XRevan86: a more profitable option: Moscow could try selling SPb for that [18:10] AVRS Bonus: if the most extreme conservatives don't fit, they drown [18:14] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:21] XRevan86 AVRS: I don't want to move, so I'd rather not. [18:25] *kingoffrance has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:33] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/05/13ca663355c4b7b0.mp4 [18:55] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:55] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [18:56] MinceR (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/05/4989e0fc2484929e.mp4 ● Feb 14 [19:01] DaemonFC[m] I've been considering this more, and I think we should probably be sending the bulk of the vaccines in Illinois to the counties bordering Wisconsin and Iowa. [19:02] DaemonFC[m] Wisconsin's Supreme Court banned the entire emergency order, including masks, and Iowa's governor banned mask ordinances and reopened the schools. [19:03] DaemonFC[m] We're seeing a much bigger population-adjusted problem in the counties bordering those states than anywhere else in Illinois, and I think it's because of that. People coming over across the state line a little bit into Illinois and spreading it here. [19:04] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:04] DaemonFC[m] It's ultimately up to the states to decide who is eligible and prioritized, but the states with the worst results are the ones listening to the federal government. [19:05] DaemonFC[m] The federal government's recommendations are creating bottlenecks in delivery even during a shortage of vaccine doses. [19:06] DaemonFC[m] I think that Pfizer definitely wants to make more, because Roy's suggestion that scarcity drives up price doesn't hold when the government has promised them a fixed price. [19:07] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:07] DaemonFC[m] If people weren't getting the costs covered 100% by the government or the insurance companies, and Pfizer had no set quotas, then I think they'd have an incentive to create shortages to drive prices up. [19:07] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: CNN has another Bill Gates story. [19:08] DaemonFC[m] His daughter got the vaccine and says it's unfortunate they can't inject her dad's "genius" into her. [19:08] MinceR does the author believe there's a shortage of criminals? [19:09] DaemonFC[m] She has grammatical errors in her tweet. [19:09] DaemonFC[m] Says she's glad the mRNA is "teaching my body to amount a defense". [19:09] DaemonFC[m] :) [19:09] MinceR :) [19:10] DaemonFC[m] "As a medical student..." they should send her to English 101. [19:11] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: My mom keeps saying they have a lot of "dialects" in the Philippines. [19:11] DaemonFC[m] I said, "You mean they have many languages. A difference in dialect would be different forms of the same language.". [19:13] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I would say she's slipping, but her world view is so warped that between ignorance and prejudice..... [19:14] DaemonFC[m] She was ranting about Joe Biden causing gas in her town to be $2.95, so I looked at it on GasBuddy. It was $2.45 yesterday and it's $2.30 today. [19:14] MinceR you've said so before [19:15] DaemonFC[m] I think she's so frightened by the world that she just makes up a different one in her head to live in. [19:15] DaemonFC[m] There's some danger out there, but it's not as bad as you'd be led to believe unless you're watching a steady diet of junk news. [19:16] DaemonFC[m] The Coronavirus is more dangerous than violent crime. [19:16] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__ isn't always correct about danger assessments either. [19:17] DaemonFC[m] There's about 37,500 Americans killed per year in car accidents. [19:18] DaemonFC[m] We're a month away from 12 full months of significant Coronavirus deaths. Already at 500,000. At this rate, we'll be at roughly 570,000 or so (official) by the end of March. [19:19] DaemonFC[m] So that's at least car accidents multiplied by 15. [19:19] DaemonFC[m] And as Roy pointed out, they're probably undercounting Coronavirus deaths by at least 25-30%. [19:20] MinceR (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/05/c29a4a365fb988cb.mp4 [19:21] DaemonFC[m] There's no reason to think that the next 12 months of COVID in the US will be any better than last year unless vaccination presses forward. [19:22] DaemonFC[m] I really do wish that they'd stop handing the microphone to Bill Gates. It's obvious what's happening. No legitimate news company interviews a guy who never graduated college about a pandemic 200 times over the course of a year without bribes. [19:22] DaemonFC[m] There may or may not be anything wrong with the vaccines, but putting him in the spotlight hurts credibility. [19:24] XRevan86 MinceR: -1 bicycle [19:24] MinceR :) [19:28] DaemonFC[m] You can have 2 bicycles per train car on Metra during non-rush hour trains. [19:28] DaemonFC[m] Maybe not during COVID, but who knows? [19:39] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/14/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html [19:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-US Coronavirus: Covid-19 cases have declined sharply. These factors will determine how pandemic unfolds from here, group of experts says - CNN [19:39] DaemonFC[m] "winning the war" [19:39] DaemonFC[m] There is no war. No matter what happens, we didn't win. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] It's a question of how bad did we get our asses kicked before we managed to gain some control over the disaster. [19:40] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Mom said there's someone she works with who didn't want to get Chinese take out because "Aren't they the ones who are making the virus?". [19:40] DaemonFC[m] I said, "Yeah, they have a little germ warfare lab back there in the kitchen.". [19:41] DaemonFC[m] "Better call the health department who said this was low risk." [19:45] MinceR lo [19:45] MinceR l [19:47] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/06/8e46ba2f138dcdeb.jpg ● Feb 14 [20:13] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: The Republicans have basically given up trying for the Illinois legislature are are trying to pick off some seats on the state Supreme Court instead. [20:13] DaemonFC[m] They managed to flip a seat last year in a major upset. [20:14] *acer-box (~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:e084:6752:58f6:eb6a) has joined #techrights [20:14] -NickServ-acer-box!~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:e084:6752:58f6:eb6a has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [20:14] *acer-box has quit (Changing host) [20:14] *acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [20:14] DaemonFC[m] Unlike legislative districts that change, each region of Illinois is guaranteed seats on the Supreme Court even if there are few people living there. [20:14] DaemonFC[m] So downstate Illinois has lost influence in the legislature, but can still have some on the Supreme Court. [20:15] DaemonFC[m] So the thinking goes that they may pick up enough seats to start overturning laws with judicial review. [20:15] DaemonFC[m] I don't see it happening, but the fact that they flipped one last year shocked me. [20:26] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [20:27] schestowitz__ >> Ballhausen and FSFE are connected, based on this post [20:27] schestowitz__ >> https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210214-01.en.html see [20:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | Join us I Love Free Software Day 2021 - FSFE [20:27] schestowitz__ >> [20:27] schestowitz__ >> http://techrights.org/2020/08/29/debian-threats-bird-and-bird/ [20:27] schestowitz__ >> [20:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Miriam Ballhausen and Debian Money, DebConf Online, Insulting a Volunteer at a Time of Grief | Techrights [20:27] schestowitz__ > [20:27] schestowitz__ > I have something more about Ballhausen in the pipeline too [20:30] liberty_box https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chBitgIdyTk [20:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Seal "Julius" FINALLY rescued! - YouTube [20:31] vZS1 Look at this propaganda: https://www.reviewgeek.com/71050/raspberry-pi-finally-gets-a-great-text-editor-from-microsoft/ [20:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reviewgeek.com | Raspberry Pi Finally Gets a Great Text EditorFrom Microsoft Review Geek [20:35] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/14/europe/europe-crises-intl-analysis/index.html [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The EU is facing the most serious crises in its history. Many are wondering if anyone's in charge - CNN [20:35] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:37] DaemonFC[m] There's been significant disagreements between US states, and lawsuits, but nothing of the sort where one dominates federal politics above all of the rest. [20:37] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: on topic, please... [20:39] schestowitz__ vallor: disturbing and not unique [20:39] schestowitz__ I saw similar pieces from people connected to Microsoft [20:39] schestowitz__ They use the whole thing as a "win" and "success story" [20:39] Techrights-sec The shills have been out in droves over the RPi attack. [20:39] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft hasn't really made any great text editors. [20:39] DaemonFC[m] It just makes a lot of them. [20:39] schestowitz__ atom is dead [20:39] schestowitz__ so they killed at least one more [20:40] DaemonFC[m] The same thing that's going on with the terminal program situation in Windows happened with text editing on Windows. [20:40] Techrights-sec They are trying to spin it as other than what happened: an attack against RPF [20:40] Techrights-sec There is no situation in which it is advantageous for RPF to partner with [20:40] Techrights-sec MSFT [20:40] DaemonFC[m] Money. It's all about the money. [20:41] DaemonFC[m] Like the FSF taking money from IBM. Money that is not just IBM being generous. [20:41] DaemonFC[m] Money that goes beyond what the FSF needs to operate. [20:41] DaemonFC[m] It's turning into another Linux Foundation very quickly now that RMS is gone. [20:42] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [20:42] DaemonFC[m] The money is "Here, take this and don't cause problems for us while we do these things.". [20:43] schestowitz__ yup [20:43] schestowitz__ that's how it works [20:43] schestowitz__ shareholder would sue if it was just "free money" [20:43] schestowitz__ free from obligations and strings [20:43] schestowitz__ Google is a worse offender than IBM in this regards [20:43] schestowitz__ They prepare decades in advance [20:43] schestowitz__ sough to muzzle critics [20:43] schestowitz__ *sought [20:44] DaemonFC[m] I've never seen any real criticism of Google in the mass media, aside from conservatives claiming that they were being censored. [20:44] schestowitz__ this is untrue [20:44] DaemonFC[m] I don't get how. I saw ads for Trump all over Google. [20:44] schestowitz__ Google does get blasted occasionally [20:44] DaemonFC[m] They work with ICE. [20:44] schestowitz__ for all sorts of things [20:44] schestowitz__ Sometimes Microsoft eggs them on [20:45] DaemonFC[m] It doesn't seem to have traction if they are getting criticized. [20:46] DaemonFC[m] People have been programmed by huge corporations to defend DRM programs that are restricting them from using their own computer, even for basic fair use purposes. [20:47] DaemonFC[m] So you look at reviews of things with DRM and it's not people going this is wrong, it's people saying things like "Microsoft Janus was a disaster because reasons, and Apple developed something that wasn't so apparently obnoxious.". At least, of course, until you try to use your purchased items 10-20 years later. [20:47] DaemonFC[m] The DRM scheme has shut down, and you're in exactly the same boat that Walmart Music put people in with Janus a little bit sooner. [20:47] DaemonFC[m] Now we're calling it Widevine. [20:48] DaemonFC[m] If people never got around to deleting and re-downloading their iTunes library free of DRM and backing it up to save it from their Mac deleting it and recommending Apple Music, they have lost thousands of dollars, perhaps. [20:49] DaemonFC[m] Did they learn anything? No. Call it streaming now. Take away anything that implies ownership, then people just turn over money all the time. [20:50] DaemonFC[m] Mandy didn't understand why I used the library to get stuff and played it on my disc player at home. [20:51] DaemonFC[m] I explained how we'd be out several hundred dollars each year when I drive past the library every day anyway. [20:52] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: I had to explain everything to him, including zero-based budgeting, savings bonds, using credit cards for points but never anything you wouldn't have bought with cash. [20:52] vZS1 Google will take any Ad revenue they get. They don't care who they take it from. Just like Facebook. [20:53] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: I would say maybe the people in the Philippines don't plan long term and for robustness, but people in general don't. [20:53] DaemonFC[m] Be it because they're from a poor place or just a country full of slobs. [20:55] DaemonFC[m] The dude at the bank was trying to upsell us to some checking account with fees, because you could get more points out of another credit card. I said, "Nah. Honestly, the only reason you got my attention with this card is because 4% on gas as a permanent category is a good deal.". [20:56] DaemonFC[m] Stallman seems a bit paranoid. If the government is watching anything I buy they could know that I gas up my car and buy dented canned goods at this very moment. [20:57] vZS1 He's not paranoid. He's right about the surveillance state. [20:57] DaemonFC[m] They buy up credit card purchase data. Even about people who never use Google. [20:57] schestowitz__ yup [20:58] DaemonFC[m] Banks don't give you things "for free", and everyone should know the cost of those rewards points is some of their privacy. [20:58] schestowitz__ RMS was not just right [20:58] schestowitz__ he foresaw these issues before they became real [20:58] schestowitz__ in some areas at least [20:58] vZS1 It's a shame he let his organization get infiltrated and his software as well [20:58] schestowitz__ because of the potential for abuse [20:58] schestowitz__ which soon before more than just potential [20:58] schestowitz__ vZS1: true [20:58] schestowitz__ but he's still [20:58] schestowitz__ there [20:58] schestowitz__ albeit [20:58] schestowitz__ rarely speaks out for it anymore [20:59] vZS1 I read his political notes every day. At least he's not silenced to talk about that ● Feb 14 [21:00] DaemonFC[m] The banks are gutting their other credit card perks I noticed. [21:00] DaemonFC[m] No more price protection anymore. I was hearing of people saying "I bought a computer and then it went on sale and my bank sent me a $200 check.". [21:00] DaemonFC[m] So I got a few claims of that size in myself. [21:01] DaemonFC[m] They figure out what they need to toss you as bait and do nothing beyond that. [21:01] DaemonFC[m] And it's the same with corporate cash going to the FSF, Raspberry Pi, etc. [21:03] vZS1 I boycotted the Raspberry Spy Foundation. They're never getting a recommendation from me ever again. [21:03] DaemonFC[m] In most cases, it's not much. [21:04] schestowitz__ vZS1: the latest response from them was awful [21:04] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/raspberry-pi-making-things-worse/ [21:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Than a Fortnight After Installing Microsoft Surveillance and Keys on Millions of Computers Without Users Consent the Spin Comes From the Raspberry Pi Company (via Microsoft) | Techrights [21:04] schestowitz__ I never expected it to be THIS bad [21:04] schestowitz__ They are being OLPCd [21:05] schestowitz__ coming soon: a BETTER raspi [21:05] schestowitz__ with Intel i-something [21:05] schestowitz__ and option to choose between Vista 10 or "our own" Raspi OS [21:05] schestowitz__ Debian renamed [21:05] schestowitz__ exploited [21:05] schestowitz__ with repos of Microsoft [21:05] schestowitz__ so you get Microsoft either way [21:05] schestowitz__ it's a good thing that the SBCs market is rapidly getting saturated [21:06] vZS1 I have repeatedly told people that package managers allow things like this to be smuggled in. This was caught, not all of them get noticed. [21:06] vZS1 Use software with transparent make files or throw it in the garbage where it belongs [21:07] vZS1 There's no lack of options [21:07] DaemonFC[m] Yes, which is why I've always wondered what else Google or Opera could install on your computer if you add their repo by installing their browser. [21:07] DaemonFC[m] They could just make their package depend on something else in their repo and you have that on your computer now. [21:07] vZS1 suckless tools for example are clean to build [21:07] DaemonFC[m] If they get broken into, someone could use it to push out malware. [21:08] vZS1 Their obfuscated software is the malware [21:08] vZS1 That's why they don't want people to know how it gets built [21:10] vZS1 Deliberately making things complex just to create artificial work is another problem. If you can't settle on the source for a simple utility for over a decade you're either an absolute idiot or just deliberately complicating things. [21:11] vZS1 Web browsers are the best example. The source is pure spaghetti. [21:12] vZS1 And so are the builds [21:13] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: I was looking on Wikipedia, and it cites the Pfizer vaccine as about 86% effective three weeks after the first dose. [21:14] DaemonFC[m] Would it not just be better to give everyone one dose so that we could vaccinate twice as many people? [21:14] vZS1 They don't even use macros properly for their spaghetti builds. [21:15] DaemonFC[m] Assuming that these figures are accurate. [21:37] DaemonFC[m] https://wgntv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2021/02/Cornoavirus-COVID-19-Illinois-State-Flag-MON-OTS-2-3.png [21:38] DaemonFC[m] Then there was this. [21:40] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: What I hate are all those damned toll roads. [21:40] DaemonFC[m] Going around them easily added another 20-30 minutes each way going downstate. [21:47] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [21:47] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [21:48] DaemonFC[m] The CDC says they expect the UK variant to go from being 4% of all new COVID-19 cases in the US now to over half by March. [21:49] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: let's try tp focus on tech [21:49] schestowitz__ vaccines are sort of ot [21:49] schestowitz__ and nobody here is an expert in that area [21:49] schestowitz__ CNN isn't a valid source to me, it's too deep in bed with corporations, wikipedia might as well be gamed by PR departments of theirs [21:50] schestowitz__ vZS1: I agree about browsers [21:50] schestowitz__ just building one is hellish [21:50] schestowitz__ iirc, building chromium takes like gigabytes of stuff [21:50] schestowitz__ that's just to get started [21:50] *psydroid is getting hungry due to all the spaghetti talk [21:50] schestowitz__ how would you even properly debug such a thing [21:50] MinceR :) [21:50] schestowitz__ and then you have lots of unpredicable web page [21:51] schestowitz__ can you tweak and debug for each bloated page? [21:51] schestowitz__ firefox spies on users and reports to moz problematic/slow ages [21:51] schestowitz__ so they spy to "improve the experience" [21:51] schestowitz__ and then look at "big data" ● Feb 14 [22:03] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [22:03] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [22:05] psydroid what made things worse for me when I did still bother to build Firefox (on x86, PowerPC, MIPS and SPARC) was that the code developed violated my first principle of portability and patches were always needed to get them built on non-x86 architectures [22:06] vZS1 Mozilla are planning to put Microsoft tools into the Firefox build chain [22:06] vZS1 It's a lost cause [22:06] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/21020511 [22:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5214612) [22:06] XRevan86 vZS1: Didn't they just remove some? [22:06] vZS1 They'll never fix it because that's against their business model [22:07] XRevan86 what are they doing now? [22:07] schestowitz__ github hosted or msft? [22:07] vZS1 The latter [22:07] vZS1 It's in the build docs. They state it proudly [22:07] schestowitz__ yuck [22:08] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/mozilla-board/ [22:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Hires From Microsoft for Mozillas Board | Techrights [22:08] schestowitz__ maybe beyond repair now [22:08] schestowitz__ for security they previously hired from MSFTR [22:08] vZS1 Has been for a while [22:08] vZS1 "security" [22:08] schestowitz__ and that person then used Mozilla's hat to praise Microsoft for "security" [22:08] schestowitz__ she later left or they got rid of her [22:08] schestowitz__ I have never heard of her since [22:09] schestowitz__ about 7 years ago [22:09] schestowitz__ btw, re raspi [22:09] schestowitz__ look into their microsoft blunder 4-5 years ago [22:09] schestowitz__ they managed to recover from it [22:09] schestowitz__ undoing the whole "windows on pi" coup [22:09] schestowitz__ so I am not giving up just yet [22:09] schestowitz__ but someone has to do something, FAST [22:09] *_inky (~inky@141.136.77.129) has joined #techrights [22:13] vZS1 You already need Python 3.6 to build Firefox [22:13] vZS1 That's the first red flag [22:14] vZS1 30GB of free disk space [22:14] vZS1 Second red flag [22:15] psydroid lots of compute power [22:15] psydroid unlimited number of flags? [22:15] vZS1 4GB of RAM with 4GB swap. Third red flag [22:16] vZS1 Dropped 32-bit support. Fourth red flag [22:16] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/4co7eHD2hJU [22:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tom Paris Turns Into a Salamander - YouTube [22:16] vZS1 Clang instead of GCC. Fifth red flag [22:17] vZS1 Freedom my arse. And their concern trolling posts about privacy my arse [22:20] schestowitz__ [22:14] 30GB of free disk space [22:20] psydroid I already visit Techrights on Gemini first, but have to go back to a web browser for the latest articles and videos [22:20] schestowitz__ !! [22:20] vZS1 Mozilla Public License. Sixth red flag [22:20] schestowitz__ psydroid: how often should latest articles be updated in gemini? [22:21] schestowitz__ we can adjust that [22:21] schestowitz__ we already speak to some core gemini people about syndication (they have something similar to RSS but simpler) [22:22] schestowitz__ vZS1: you use brave, iirc? [22:22] vZS1 IceCat [22:23] psydroid schestowitz_, I don't want to put too much load on you, but maybe once every 3 hours instead of 6 would already be an immense improvement [22:25] vZS1 I'm going to try out surf from suckless, when I find the time. [22:25] schestowitz__ vZS1: use gemini [22:25] *_inky has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:25] schestowitz__ icecat is ff [22:25] schestowitz__ falkon is ok, but uses blink or similar [22:25] *_inky (~inky@141.136.77.129) has joined #techrights [22:25] schestowitz__ lost track of which, over ttime [22:25] schestowitz__ qupzilla used blink [22:26] *_inky has quit (Client Quit) [22:26] schestowitz__ i do almost everything from qupzilla and falkon [22:26] vZS1 surf uses webkit2, I think [22:26] schestowitz__ falkon on the newer OS [22:26] schestowitz__ it's still qupzilla in repos of older LTSs [22:26] vZS1 Yeah. WebKit2 [22:26] schestowitz__ same trouble as google monoculture [22:26] schestowitz__ if you want the text, use rss [22:26] schestowitz__ like quirerss [22:26] schestowitz__ it's the best I have found so far [22:27] schestowitz__ it uses some webkit/blink/chr* stuff [22:27] vZS1 I still need a mainstream browser for some work [22:27] schestowitz__ gemini is now fully functional for us [22:27] schestowitz__ vZS1: that's ok, gemini does not replace www [22:27] schestowitz__ it complements it for things that don't do many POST-type protocols [22:27] schestowitz__ or videos [22:27] vZS1 I saw the spec. It's good. Like HTTP pre v1 [22:28] schestowitz__ what you use webforms for doesn't have to be the same as where you get the news or read mail [22:28] vZS1 Single connection per request [22:28] vZS1 Plaintext protocol [22:28] schestowitz__ netscape tried to combine mail and http [22:28] vZS1 Sane URL scheme [22:28] vZS1 These are all good things [22:28] schestowitz__ you get to know personally the people in charge of it [22:29] schestowitz__ not some faceless and arrogant google staffers [22:29] schestowitz__ or cerf [22:29] schestowitz__ vint sold his soul a long time ago [22:29] schestowitz__ timbl just lost control [22:29] schestowitz__ and stacked the w3c by passivity [22:29] schestowitz__ being too "open" [22:29] schestowitz__ he made a replacement, but chose Microsoft servers to host that on [22:30] schestowitz__ deletegithun [22:30] schestowitz__ *b [22:30] vZS1 I'm working on other things but I'll set up a Gemini client sometime. It's good somebody is tackling those issues in the server/client model. [22:31] vZS1 I can cheer them on at least [22:32] schestowitz__ not sure if you caught my firefox rants from the other day [22:32] schestowitz__ for monitoring purposes on an old box I was programming ff for some cli stuff [22:32] vZS1 The curl author is busy shilling the HTTP3 abomination, meanwhile. [22:32] schestowitz__ turns out that like gnome they abandoned many cli options that long existed and worked [22:33] schestowitz__ like they killed gopher [22:33] schestowitz__ for no real reason [22:33] schestowitz__ before they did ftp and deranked rss as priority [22:33] schestowitz__ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195 [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 388195 - Remove gopher protocol support for Firefox [22:33] vZS1 Sabotage. Like they did with RSS [22:33] schestowitz__ now ff comes with "kiosk" mode [22:33] schestowitz__ no option anymore for fullscreen [22:33] schestowitz__ or for windows size on startup [22:33] schestowitz__ they just.... killed what already worked [22:33] schestowitz__ amazing [22:34] vZS1 They're busy shilling more surveillance with Pocked. Clown bookmarks. [22:34] schestowitz__ [22:32] The curl author is busy shilling the HTTP3 abomination, meanwhile. [22:34] schestowitz__ because [22:34] schestowitz__ 1) he is involved [22:34] schestowitz__ 3) he worked for mozilla for years [22:34] vZS1 Pocket* [22:34] schestowitz__ 2) [22:34] schestowitz__ pocket was proprietary [22:34] schestowitz__ later they liberated it [22:34] schestowitz__ but they do "big data" [22:35] schestowitz__ which means they'll leverage it in some nefarious ways and they already spam the users with promotions of it [22:35] schestowitz__ [22:34] They're busy shilling more surveillance with Pocked. Clown bookmarks. [22:35] schestowitz__ Clown password management [22:35] schestowitz__ trust us, not lastpass [22:35] schestowitz__ because we do blog posts about privacy [22:35] schestowitz__ and "bad actors' [22:35] vZS1 So they watch Pornhub too? [22:35] schestowitz__ " [22:36] schestowitz__ Brendan Eich [:brendan] [22:36] schestowitz__ [22:36] schestowitz__ Comment 21 14 years ago [22:36] schestowitz__ (In reply to comment #12) [22:36] schestowitz__ > The argument 'we're more afraid of the unknown attacks' holds little or no [22:36] schestowitz__ > water. You could say that about any of the other protocol handlers, or any [22:36] schestowitz__ > other bug. [22:36] schestowitz__ No, you're confusing TCB minimization with random bug fear. Security depends on reducing the size of the code that runs at high privilege, which must be correct for the system to uphold security properties. In this light, we have a lot to get rid of still. Gopher has to be considered along with other code for protocols and content types that are rarely to hardly ever used on the web. [22:36] schestowitz__ Having written this, I'll repeat one of my mantras: the web is too big to make easy generalizations about what is rare. One person's, or locale's, hardly ever used protocol or content format may be another's must-have. So we won't do this (remove gopher) lightly, if we do it. More in a bit. [22:36] schestowitz__ /be [22:36] schestowitz__ Brendan Eich [:brendan] [22:36] schestowitz__ [22:36] schestowitz__ Comment 22 14 years ago [22:36] schestowitz__ One possible approach: rewrite gopher's protocol handler in JS. Anyone? [22:36] schestowitz__ /be [22:36] schestowitz__ " [22:36] schestowitz__ guess what MOZ did next [22:36] schestowitz__ BTW, remember what Eich is to JS [22:36] schestowitz__ Eich: "Not necessarily -- removing it and implementing it in a memory-safe language are independent. If we had the JS implementation today, we might not even be bothering to argue in this bug." [22:37] schestowitz__ Eich (later (same page) [22:37] schestowitz__ " [22:37] schestowitz__ I think since we have not landed the patches for Firefox 3 and we're approaching beta 3, we should not remove gopher from Firefox 3 at this point. Going by the (mostly unwritten) book, we should have removed it before beta 1 if we meant to. [22:37] schestowitz__ But: in Mozilla 2, gopher *is* going to be removed early and only re-added via an addon. So fresh versions of this bug's patches, made against the hg.mozilla.org mozilla-central repository, should be attached, reviewed, and landed there. Who volunteers to take this bug? Benjamin, will you do it? [22:37] schestowitz__ The ~212 people who care about gopher can then develop, own, and use that addon. [22:37] schestowitz__ In the mean time, gopher fans: spare us more soap-boxing and special-pleading here, and be happy today. Gopher will be an option (not a mandatory part of the C/C++ "TCB") as long as people are motivated to own its implementation. But as we draw closer to Mozilla 2, if no one steps up and delivers the gopher addon, you have only yourselves to hold accountable. No more free lunches! [22:37] schestowitz__ /be [22:37] schestowitz__ " [22:37] schestowitz__ BTW [22:37] schestowitz__ Firefox 2 still rocked [22:37] schestowitz__ back when a real community promoted its use [22:37] schestowitz__ some of my older sites still have spreadFirefox banners [22:37] schestowitz__ which I've not removed since [22:37] schestowitz__ Eich: " [22:37] schestowitz__ Don't look for premature decisions, do the JS implementation. [22:37] schestowitz__ I'm already in favor (comments above) of supporting gopher if it's implemented in a memory-safe programming language, has otherwise light-to-zero overhead, etc. [22:37] schestowitz__ " [22:38] schestowitz__ "Mozilla has obvious interests in dealing in good faith, and in JS as safer implementation (including netwerk protocol implementation) language than C++. Therefore I continue to conclude that we should keep gopher in the core if it is implemented safely in JS." [22:38] schestowitz__ LOL [22:38] schestowitz__ Mozilla and "good faith" [22:38] schestowitz__ like ousting their CEO [22:38] schestowitz__ over his faith [22:38] schestowitz__ and religious views [22:38] schestowitz__ Eich: " [22:38] schestowitz__ Why remove the C++ implementation of gopher before the JS implementation is even started? Wouldn't the JS implementation need the configuration table entries in the patch? [22:38] schestowitz__ The point here isn't gopher _per se_. It's orderly work and square dealing. [22:38] schestowitz__ Did a bug on nsOperaProfileMigrator not being tested, or whatever's wrong with it ("this code is all stupid") get filed? [22:38] schestowitz__ " [22:38] vZS1 "Free lunches" says the people who would be nowhere without GNU software [22:39] schestowitz__ " [22:39] schestowitz__ Shaver pointed out that I changed my position from comment 47. I did not mean to say Gopher has to stay in the core, forever. I was arguing for an orderly series of steps from Gopher in C++ in the core in Firefox 3, to Gopher in JS probably in the core, to Gopher in JS as add-on. But my comment 100 did not restate the last step there. [22:39] vZS1 What a bunch of fucking hypocrites [22:39] schestowitz__ I think gopher should be an add-on unless there's some massive gopher revival, which I do not foresee. [22:39] schestowitz__ Hosting protocols in JS where we can is worthwhile, but we can do it with gopher or not, add-on or not, as a separate exercise. My comment 47 threat to remove gopher "by Mozilla 2" -- meaning only the release where we break frozen API compatibility -- was intended to get people thinking about building gopher as an add-on, not into the core. [22:39] schestowitz__ I bet we are close to a virtual "Mozilla 2" with 1.9.3. We should think about it. [22:39] schestowitz__ Is it really the case that we require C++ as protocol handler host language? That would suck no matter what happens with gopher. It's not urgent, but I would be interested to hear the details of why this is so (if it is so). [22:39] schestowitz__ This should definitely happen. What's involved, which bug(s)? [22:39] schestowitz__ Cameron broke it down more than I would have: we should not make platform changes that require rewrites from JS to C++ without some serious discussion. Add-on or core is secondary. Gopher is tertiary, but thanks to Cameron for being a good citizen here on the primary and secondary fronts. [22:39] schestowitz__ " [22:39] schestowitz__ Wow, I underestimated the role played by Eich in this decision [22:39] schestowitz__ at least bugzilla shows the whole story even 14 years later: [22:39] schestowitz__ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195 [22:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 388195 - Remove gopher protocol support for Firefox [22:40] schestowitz__ is anyone here an xfce(4) guru? [22:41] schestowitz__ I can't find how to force particular windows/programs to open in a fixed location of inherit a certain window size [22:41] schestowitz__ it's very easy in kde3-5 [22:41] DaemonFC[m] I used it a long time ago on an aging system that didn't run well with anything else. [22:41] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: that's what I do now [22:41] schestowitz__ it's an old laptop [22:41] schestowitz__ you can make it work with translucency and all [22:42] schestowitz__ and still it barely takes up RAM [22:42] vZS1 Use a window manager instead [22:42] vZS1 dwm and awesome are flexible options [22:42] schestowitz__ I cannot change now [22:42] schestowitz__ no disk space [22:42] schestowitz__ not even to run apt [22:43] vZS1 ? [22:43] schestowitz__ it would run out of space [22:43] schestowitz__ 1.2 gb partition [22:43] schestowitz__ ff takes up 200mb of it [22:43] vZS1 I don't think the code is even 50mb [22:43] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, that system eventually got so old that I had to run Openbox on it. [22:44] DaemonFC[m] With systemd and stuff, I think the footprint of Bunsenlabs in RAM is now about 40% higher than Crunchbang. [22:44] schestowitz__ there must be a way to pass messages to open applications in xfce [22:44] DaemonFC[m] Still only about 80 MB I think. [22:45] schestowitz__ gnome has some APIs for it [22:45] DaemonFC[m] At the time I had a laptop with 1 GB of RAM, and that was an upgrade. It came with 512 MB and Windows XP. [22:45] schestowitz__ you can even alter transparency from the CLI [22:45] DaemonFC[m] And I was using it until 2014. [22:45] vZS1 DWM is 26KB [22:45] DaemonFC[m] Software has just gotten way too big in general. [22:45] vZS1 DWM is not too big [22:46] asusbox2 xprop -format _NET_WM_WINDOW_OPACITY 32c -set _NET_WM_WINDOW_OPACITY 0xBFFFFFFF [22:46] vZS1 https://dwm.suckless.org/ [22:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dwm.suckless.org | dwm - dynamic window manager | suckless.org software that sucks less [22:47] vZS1 You can run dwm without issue [22:47] schestowitz__ but will that implement the functionality I need here? [22:47] schestowitz__ I want to basically allocate parts of the screen to different things, then have them updated [22:48] schestowitz__ from a bash shell [22:48] vZS1 You can just keep tiles open to do that [22:48] schestowitz__ tiles? [22:49] vZS1 Yeah. Division of the screen [22:49] vZS1 You can also have entire tabs of screens [22:49] schestowitz__ I need COMMAND [application] set [screen size/position] [22:49] vZS1 Each with different stuff on it [22:50] schestowitz__ or maybe for firefox to have cli option for closing tabs [22:50] schestowitz__ ff fell behind chromium in cli interfaces [22:50] schestowitz__ by basically castrating itself [22:50] schestowitz__ removing options that used to exist [22:50] vZS1 UX [22:50] schestowitz__ deprecating those for no good reason, not even security [22:50] schestowitz__ year, YOU AXE [22:50] vZS1 CLI isn't UX [22:50] schestowitz__ we remove things you use... to "help you" [22:51] schestowitz__ we are very "tolerant" [22:51] schestowitz__ maybe also remove accessibility "nonsense" [22:51] schestowitz__ for "usability" [22:51] schestowitz__ because "users are stupid" [22:51] schestowitz__ "why would you want to do that !!!! ???" [22:52] schestowitz__ xfce probably lacks support for what I need https://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/ https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfce https://mxlinux.org/wiki/xfce/changing-border-size-with-xfce4-window-manager/ [22:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xubuntu.org | Window resizing in Xubuntu (and Xfce) Xubuntu [22:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.stackexchange.com | How can I make windows easier to resize in Xfce? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange [22:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mxlinux.org | Changing border size with Xfce4 Window Manager MX Linux [22:53] schestowitz__ they lack command-line APIs [22:53] schestowitz__ maybe I will find some firefox extension... if anything is left of those after they AXED XUL cox UX [22:53] schestowitz__ "unified experience" [22:53] schestowitz__ "We're all the same" [22:54] schestowitz__ women, men, blacks, whites [22:54] schestowitz__ disabled, enabled [22:54] schestowitz__ we all have 2 arms [22:54] schestowitz__ we all use the same sites [22:54] schestowitz__ you don't need extensions, MFer! [22:54] schestowitz__ Use POCKET [22:54] schestowitz__ It's clown, it's new [22:54] schestowitz__ we'll recommend to you what to surf next [22:55] schestowitz__ expecting all users of firefox to abandon extensions if dumb [22:55] vZS1 DWM is also not on ShitHub [22:56] schestowitz__ that's why waterfox exists [22:56] schestowitz__ they try to impose what THEY are on ALL users [22:56] vZS1 And developed by people that aren't morons [22:56] vZS1 <2000 loc [22:56] schestowitz__ it's like demanding that all dude start menstruating [22:56] schestowitz__ *dudes [22:56] vZS1 Simple makefile [22:56] schestowitz__ but that's too light [22:56] schestowitz__ this machine has 2 gb of ram [22:57] schestowitz__ BTW, Falkon seems to have more uselful CLI options than latest FF [22:58] schestowitz__ https://askubuntu.com/questions/143376/how-to-change-the-xfce4-default-window-manager [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-askubuntu.com | xfce - How to change the Xfce4 default window manager? - Ask Ubuntu [22:59] DaemonFC[m] XUL is still there, they just restricted it to internal stuff only. [22:59] DaemonFC[m] Pale Moon removed that restriction. ● Feb 14 [23:00] schestowitz__ https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xfce [23:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | Xfce - ArchWiki [23:00] schestowitz__ " Xfce uses the Xfwm window manager by default." [23:00] psydroid Firefox on Orange Pi from 2017 is slow and heavy whereas Konqueror is pretty fast and that's also with 2 GB of RAM [23:00] schestowitz__ https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfwm [23:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | Xfwm - ArchWiki [23:00] schestowitz__ $ xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/tile_on_move -s false [23:00] schestowitz__ $ xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/tile_on_move -s true [23:00] schestowitz__ oh [23:01] schestowitz__ psydroid: I still use Konqueror [23:01] psydroid That's the kind of hardware that was top-end for running GNU/Linux in 2000 and now you can barely run a browser? [23:01] schestowitz__ but mostly for social control media posting [23:02] schestowitz__ psydroid: system reqs to read 1000-word AP article: 500MB of RAM [23:02] schestowitz__ maybe more for images :-) [23:02] schestowitz__ with 1MB of JS to manage how the images are displayed [23:03] schestowitz__ plus social "Stuff" buttons [23:04] psydroid I hate the heaps of JS spyware the most as without them pages are often not functional [23:05] schestowitz__ vZS1's approach is better for now [23:05] schestowitz__ at least I can quickly separate apart windows [23:09] vZS1 psydroid: you can't even get rid of a lot of the JS now because they create new tokens every time you load a page so you can't filter specific scripts. This is apparent if you use the librejs addon [23:10] vZS1 They are actively sabotaging efforts to browse the web without JS [23:10] psydroid I run Konqueror, Falkon, Netsurf and 3 different versions of Firefox side by side for various purposes and as of a few days ago also Kristall for Gemini [23:12] vZS1 I don't buy into the idea of a web browser period [23:13] vZS1 If I want a video I'd rather grab it directly via a torrent or something like youtubedl [23:13] vZS1 Same for files [23:14] psydroid I believe the web browser became important because the original idea of the web was subverted [23:14] schestowitz__ vZS1: thanks for the pointing regarding tiles, which I didn't know xfwm had support for [23:14] schestowitz__ I thought you'd more or less have to use the dedicated WMs for that [23:15] vZS1 Np [23:15] vZS1 Dwm still more minimal [23:15] schestowitz__ vZS1: in TR we post non-embed links to videos [23:15] schestowitz__ for gemini [23:15] schestowitz__ for ipfs [23:15] schestowitz__ and for people who don't want to cllick [23:15] schestowitz__ but to open directly in media player [23:15] schestowitz__ not a 200MB browser session [23:15] schestowitz__ videos and browsers aren't the same [23:16] schestowitz__ but with DRM/EME that's changing [23:16] schestowitz__ you'd need to have blobs inside standalone media players too [23:16] schestowitz__ or use web 'standards' [23:16] psydroid I'm not familiar with Gemini docs yet, but if you you want to make them look "good" you just process them and present them in a different way, as XML+XSLT were supposed to do [23:16] vZS1 DEs are a bloatware scam [23:16] schestowitz__ google/netflix/microsoft/apple [23:16] schestowitz__ psydroid: you could apply 'CSS" to Gemini [23:16] schestowitz__ to make it look the way you LOVE it [23:16] schestowitz__ but it won't be imposed by the capsule [23:17] schestowitz__ in amfora i have many options in the config files [23:17] vZS1 Screw the standards (: [23:17] schestowitz__ colours fonts etc. [23:17] schestowitz__ and the terminal session add things like "detect silence/inactivity/activity/keystoke" [23:17] schestowitz__ plus tabbing [23:17] schestowitz__ terminals have tabs ! the audacity !! [23:18] schestowitz__ never mind tmux and gnu screen [23:18] schestowitz__ choose fonts, transparency, apply styling, keyboard triggers [23:19] schestowitz__ all the amphora docs are inline comments in the conf file [23:19] schestowitz__ the CLI does not offer much [23:19] schestowitz__ amfora_1.7.2_linux_64-bit -h [23:19] schestowitz__ Amfora is a fancy terminal browser for the Gemini protocol. [23:19] schestowitz__ Usage: [23:19] schestowitz__ amfora [URL] [23:19] schestowitz__ amfora --version, -v [23:19] schestowitz__ that's it [23:19] schestowitz__ -v, -h, and arg [23:19] schestowitz__ ~/.config/amfora/config.toml is where all the fun is [23:21] psydroid browsers also made the web an "app platform", I presume in part to get away from application lock-in on the desktop [23:21] schestowitz__ yes [23:22] schestowitz__ zimbra was an early one [23:22] schestowitz__ circa 2006 [23:22] schestowitz__ back when they call it "ajax" [23:22] schestowitz__ async BS [23:22] schestowitz__ long words and acronyms/buzzwords [23:22] DaemonFC[m] The W3C HTML validator doesn't like techrights. [23:22] schestowitz__ then came server-side crap like "Autocomplete" in Google Search [23:22] schestowitz__ basically keyloggers [23:22] DaemonFC[m] Some of the errors look easy to fix, others are just that it wants you to use CSS instead. [23:22] schestowitz__ we read as you type [23:22] schestowitz__ grammarly makes this keylogging "hip" [23:23] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: yes, we had to give up last year [23:23] schestowitz__ 1. twitter's fauly [23:23] schestowitz__ it has this "deck" thing [23:23] schestowitz__ it's not standard [23:23] schestowitz__ so if you want the site to supply a feature image you must deviate from specs [23:23] schestowitz__ then there's the video part [23:24] schestowitz__ regarding CSS, that's the IPFS table [23:24] schestowitz__ we did that inline because it would otherwise conflict with global settings iirc [23:24] schestowitz__ and that little table is auto-generated [23:24] schestowitz__ tbh, I've quit caring about the www [23:24] *tr_guest|79976 (58d27070@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.210.112.112) has joined #techrights [23:25] schestowitz__ use rss/ipfs/gemini or something [23:25] schestowitz__ www should go away, eventually [23:25] schestowitz__ for the same reason Micrsooft's "Alternatives" for the Web died [23:25] schestowitz__ activex and sending around word docs as "collab" [23:25] schestowitz__ you try to build up too much into a single thing [23:25] schestowitz__ and then you're surprised that people are put off, get fed up, and walk away [23:26] *tr_guest|79976 has quit (Client Quit) [23:26] schestowitz__ happened with many large software "suites" [23:26] schestowitz__ too much built into one thing and it became a bloated experience [23:26] schestowitz__ like 1GB of MS word to write a simple letter to a rep [23:26] schestowitz__ you could just use a simple markup doc or use a plain text editor, then CTRL+P, ENTER [23:27] schestowitz__ you don't need to wait for the machine to load or buy a new machine to write a f'ing letter [23:27] *mick_b64 (~mick_b64@185.92.26.70) has joined #techrights [23:27] schestowitz__ and not they tell you, "use the clown" [23:27] schestowitz__ so you enter some site of Google or Microsoft [23:27] schestowitz__ "please wait" [23:27] schestowitz__ "loading" [23:28] schestowitz__ and then this keylogger nee "application"... helps you type a letter [23:28] schestowitz__ and charges you 'only' 10 bucks a month... 1200 dollars in ten years! [23:28] schestowitz__ to write a letter [23:28] schestowitz__ and then you act all surprised that people leave [23:28] schestowitz__ analogy: [23:28] schestowitz__ ol' people [23:28] schestowitz__ they collect things [23:28] schestowitz__ their whole life [23:28] schestowitz__ 100 paintings [23:29] schestowitz__ 50 vases [23:29] schestowitz__ 5 bedrooms [23:29] schestowitz__ and then they realise, heck! [23:29] schestowitz__ I don't need all this shit!! [23:29] schestowitz__ Too much to dust off [23:29] schestowitz__ so they start giving stuff away [23:29] schestowitz__ and turn mininmalist [23:29] schestowitz__ i.e. the very opp. of what they strive to become for life... what? 30 years [23:30] schestowitz__ or more [23:30] psydroid I explained to some people yesterday that I don't buy new hardware to run newer and more bloated versions of software I am already using, but that I would rather switch out entire software stacks including operating systems, if that's what it takes to keep the machines going [23:30] schestowitz__ suddenly it hits them... it's all just overhyped crap and I'm not taking it to the grave (and the atheists will know that regardless, what goes with you into the grave is just companion for a pile of lifeless bones) [23:31] schestowitz__ psydroid: all my machines are cheap [23:31] schestowitz__ some are partly working, or partly NOT working :-) [23:31] schestowitz__ but you find functionality for them [23:31] schestowitz__ until they die completely, like car write-off [23:32] schestowitz__ I've just configured our oldest laptop to drive two screeens with 4 browser windows in that, tiled [23:34] psydroid I still have some machines with 400 MHz processors, although I don't really use those at the moment due to various breakages (PSU, absent keyboard/mouse) [23:35] psydroid and a heap of broken laptops I want to repurpose some day [23:36] psydroid but yes, new hardware is in most cases overrated for home use [23:37] psydroid things should be made to be reparable [23:37] schestowitz__ some are [23:37] schestowitz__ sometimes the repair is expensive [23:37] schestowitz__ good luck fixing a VCR in 2021 [23:38] schestowitz__ tbh, this upgrade treadmill we benefit and suffer from [23:38] schestowitz__ suffer because it pollutes the planet [23:38] schestowitz__ benefit because you get very cheap second-hand gear that is perfectly fine [23:39] schestowitz__ I look forward to tomorrow's announcement [23:39] schestowitz__ regarding reopenings across the uk [23:39] schestowitz__ I want to get a good second-hand microphone [23:39] schestowitz__ you can get some stuff like 80% original price [23:42] psydroid I mostly deal with tech and for that I have found some good deals over the years, especially those cheap but good laptops I bought a year ago because they can't run Microsoftware anymore [23:42] psydroid I can't find them as cheap now [23:43] DaemonFC[m] They're all over the place, honestly. Cheaper to find another used one. [23:48] *mick_b64 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:52] psydroid another thing I've noticed is that x86 systems are getting more and more expensive for several reasons, which I believe mainly come down to 1) duopoly lacking true competition and thus exerting its greed 2) decreasing sales numbers, causing vendors to make up for income losses incurred by increasing prices 3) helplessness of the population locked into Microsoftware for real and imaginary reasons