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● Mar 15
[00:00]	schestowitz-TR	you cannot say, "mommy and addy won't turn on the heating to save some money"
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[00:01]	schestowitz-TR	many people are about to take indfintesmal downgrade to their "lifestyle"
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[00:04]	schestowitz	"infinitesimal"
[00:04]	schestowitz	in scare quotes even
[00:04]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Well, one reason he stopped it is if you keep handing out money for nothing, that causes inflation.
[00:04]	schestowitz	those who lived modestly all along change almost nothing
[00:04]	schestowitz	those who borrowed from the future will be lucky not to be kicked to the street
[00:04]	DaemonFC	And the SALT deduction mostly benefits millionaires and billionaires and causes larger deficits.
[00:05]	schestowitz	no, that's not why
[00:05]	schestowitz	where did you read this
[00:05]	schestowitz	url
[00:05]	kingoffrance	"those who borrowed from the future" in other words, the gov and corporations 
[00:05]	schestowitz	them too
[00:05]	kingoffrance	:)
[00:05]	schestowitz	but there's private debt
[00:05]	kingoffrance	people dont really have a choice in this matter :)
[00:05]	schestowitz	that's separate
[00:06]	schestowitz	piled on top
[00:06]	kingoffrance	fair
[00:06]	schestowitz	http://usdebtclock.com
[00:06]	TR Bot	redirect with weird Location: index.php?check_cookie=true
[00:06]	schestowitz	https://usdebtclock.org/
[00:06]	TR Bot	 U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
[00:06]	schestowitz	wrong url
[00:08]	schestowitz	us now at 125% debt-to-gdop ratio
[00:08]	schestowitz	it says it was 58% in 2000
[00:08]	schestowitz	34% in 1980
[00:08]	schestowitz	53% in 1960
[00:09]	schestowitz	years ago that page also showed personal debt
[00:09]	schestowitz	which is even higher than the national debt
[00:09]	schestowitz	so a citizen might be $250,000 in debt through the gov
[00:10]	schestowitz	and a similar amount owed to a bank, e.g. mortgage
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[00:10]	schestowitz	so the home as asset thing is basically fictional, speculative
[00:10]	schestowitz	this says 40 milliion USians live in poverty
[00:10]	schestowitz	while 22 million have over a million
[00:11]	schestowitz	and you know where they live
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[00:11]	mimorek	<schestowitz> years ago that page also showed personal debt   >> It does so right now.
[00:11]	schestowitz	41+ million on food stamps
[00:11]	schestowitz	US workfroce 158 million
[00:11]	schestowitz	less than half
[00:12]	mimorek	under: "Unfunded Debt/Interest"
[00:13]	schestowitz-TR	oh, I see now
[00:13]	schestowitz-TR	it is WORSE than I thought
[00:13]	schestowitz-TR	1:3 ratio
[00:13]	schestowitz-TR	89.0 TRILLION
[00:13]	schestowitz-TR	3 times the national debt
[00:13]	schestowitz-TR	if this was a home
[00:14]	schestowitz-TR	not a country
[00:14]	schestowitz-TR	it would be 3 kids with maxed up credited cards
[00:14]	schestowitz-TR	and two parents working full time to pay for the home
[00:14]	schestowitz-TR	and even if they paid for the home
[00:14]	schestowitz-TR	(national debt)
[00:15]	schestowitz-TR	they might still lose the stuff because the debt collector comes after the kids
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	median income $35l
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	*k
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	for full time
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	with half the people having no income
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	barely offsets the living expenses
[00:17]	schestowitz-TR	US unfunded liabilities: 168 trillion
[00:17]	schestowitz-TR	half a million per citizen
[00:17]	schestowitz-TR	inc. kids and pensioners
[00:17]	schestowitz-TR	blame putin!
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[00:19]	MinceR	blame putin, bomb putin
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: when there are no humans left, there will be no more debt
[00:26]	immibis	schestowitz-TR: infinitesimal means extremely small; not noticeable
[00:26]	MinceR	indeed
[00:26]	immibis	a downgrade so small nobody will realize it exists
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR	hence thew scare quotes
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR	some people with 3 cars on three car loans
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR	suddently living with the parents
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR	and easting bread with jam
[00:28]	immibis	how many americans are like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0HX4a5P8eE
[00:28]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=r0HX4a5P8eE
[00:28]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | I'm in debt up to my eyeballs... - Invidious
[00:28]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: freenode was destroyed by one
[00:28]	schestowitz-TR	he called himself "king of debt"
[00:28]	schestowitz-TR	even bought a massive home second hand
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[00:29]	XRevan86	I keep seeing destruction of things I need by one.
[00:29]	immibis	if hyperinflation is selected, it will be a free home from the government
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[00:29]	XRevan86	At least I could leave freenode.
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: savers suffer
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR	no savings, less crying
[00:29]	immibis	people need to know that if there is not a market crash there will be a communist revolution. It may not necessarily be true, but it should be presented as if it is
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[00:30]	immibis	Yes, the net effect is as if the government stole your money and used it to buy houses for financially irresponsible people. You know, that exact thing the moron right wing keeps complaining about. Except for real and the right wing's fault.
[00:30]	MinceR	:>
[00:31]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: hence I said earn what you need
[00:31]	schestowitz-TR	don't tell your life for money you cannot ever use
[00:31]	schestowitz-TR	meaningfully
[00:31]	schestowitz-TR	none of that "designers bag" nonsense
[00:31]	immibis	if hyperinflation is NOT chosen, the exact opposite is true and what you are suggesting is a completely terrible idea.
[00:31]		*kingoffrance writes 1000 page tome, "right wing republicanism, an infantile disorder...triumphant"
[00:32]	immibis	If the market crashes, you will be glad you saved as much money as possible, and you will be able to buy a home while over-leveraged financially irresponsible idiots wallow in slavery
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: read up on what happened in cuba
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	for those with busisses
[00:32]	immibis	you are predicting communist revolution
[00:32]	immibis	?
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	no
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	you described two situations
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	hyperinflation
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	or revolution
[00:33]	immibis	I described four situations
[00:33]	immibis	Those are two of them
[00:33]	immibis	Market crash, hyperinflation, return to feudalism, or communist revolution
[00:33]	immibis	maybe I should say revolt instead of revolution. Sounds scarier to some people, less scary to others..
[00:34]	MinceR	revolting
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[00:34]	immibis	In 1/4 cases savers win a lot. In 1/4 cases debtors win a lot. In 2/4 cases money becomes meaningless (so you should have tried to enjoy your life and ignored money)
[00:34]	MinceR	demons to some, angels to others
[00:35]	immibis	And... any of the cases where savers do not win will completely destroy the foundations of the society we live in today.
[00:35]	immibis	(like the way the right wing keeps foretelling trans people will destroy it, but actually existent and worse)
[00:36]	immibis	think ukraine, russia, venezuela, zimbabwe
[00:36]		*kingoffrance puts review blurb on back of book "MULDERYou mean that apocalyptic trash youwrite? I knew your name was familiar.I just didn't know why.KURTZWEIL [excited]You know my work?"
[00:42]	schestowitz	wowoiwow https://www.maketecheasier.com/change-drive-letter-windows/
[00:42]	TR Bot	 6 Ways to Change the Drive Letter in Windows - Make Tech Easier
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[00:44]	schestowitz	immibis: different nations, different outcomes
[00:47]	immibis	life sucks/sucked in all of them
[00:48]	schestowitz-TR	maybe putin will 'regain' scandinavia soon
[00:48]	schestowitz-TR	parts of it
[00:48]	immibis	why can't you choose one computer to use?
[00:48]	schestowitz-TR	so even a healthy market gurantees nothing
[00:48]	immibis	an unhealthy market guarantees something.
[00:48]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: hard to explain without showing it
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	call me a cynic
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	or pessimist
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	but sitting on a big pile of money
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	might gurantee a decade of buying worthless "luxury goods"
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	but also makes you a target
[00:49]	immibis	It does not guarantee that, because hyperinflation.
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	right
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	we disagree on the minor details now
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	well-off ukrainians now
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	even in big nice homes in kiev
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	likely left these behind
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	their bank account might help in some other state
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	those people left in the same training as the poor
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	and might be treated similarly
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: what do you make of that protester in the newsroom?
[00:55]	schestowitz	https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60744605
[00:55]	TR Bot	 Ukraine war: Protester interrupts Russian TV news show - BBC News
[00:55]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Brave
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR	costly
[00:56]	XRevan86	She might get criminal charges for this.
[00:58]	XRevan86	Don't know what to expect.
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● Mar 15
[01:00]	XRevan86	But I'm not expecting them to just let her go because they'll want to make an example of her. But maybe they won't be too cruel since her case is just too widely known.
[01:04]	XRevan86	Could be provocation, but right now I don't find that hypothesis compelling.
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[01:05]	XRevan86	https://t.me/bbcrussian/24773 So far her lawyers simply cannot find her anywhere.
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[01:38]	DaemonFC	"<XRevan86> Don't know what to expect."
[01:38]	DaemonFC	Hooliganism. Spreading fake news....
[01:38]	DaemonFC	How are these even charges?
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[01:52]	activelow	"russian ukrainian gas dispute"... i see, and Condoleezza Rice involvement isn't mentioned in the english language wiki article: crimea
[01:53]	activelow	seems USA spit oil into fire year 2005 already
[01:53]	activelow	in Poland, at the border of Germany, gasoline prices are 50% of the german ones
[01:54]	activelow	yet, Poland is a member of EU...
[01:54]	activelow	Ukraine seeked to associate with EU, yet wasn't willing to pay EU "market" price
[01:54]	activelow	25billion cash poof, because illegally diverted gas
[01:55]	activelow	i bet Ukraine economy had crashed anyway, then stability of Germany/EU were threatened
[01:56]	activelow	furthermore, subverting the Northstream project was the death sentence for peaceful negotiations
[01:56]	activelow	because Ukraine could have continued to operate their pipeline, and negotiate with whoever they wished about import/export prices
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[01:59]	activelow	next the current media spectacle
● Mar 15
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[02:01]	activelow	and today some lobbied military and ministry of defense announced F-35 bomber shall be acquired
[02:01]	activelow	"nuclear participation", yet german air force already got fighter jets, the aging Tornado, and the multi-role Eurofighter designed to replace it including air-to-ground
[02:02]	activelow	seems, USA too seeks to capitalize upon this conflict by selling their F-35
[02:02]	DaemonFC	If they ever charged me with Disorderly Conduct, I would say "I will answer to specific charges!".
[02:03]	DaemonFC	The only reason I pleaded guilty was because they charged me with something more serious and I had played a weak hand for all it was worth.
[02:07]	activelow	the F-35 was rather surprising today, and it's problematic, because it distracts from the question what the glorious Eurofighter was
[02:08]	activelow	so, air force can distract from this question, what the billions were wasted for with the Eurofighter
[02:09]	activelow	and ask for cash, 100billion granted out of nowhere... gasoline prices more than 10cash/gallon now, and rising
[02:11]	activelow	corona measures will be terminated 20th march they say... no more questions ask then
[02:11]	activelow	which makes me think, if and what would happen until then
[02:11]	activelow	because, so far nothing has changed
[02:12]	activelow	maybe they'll plug into northstream2 until then?
[02:12]	DaemonFC	So for a year they weren't even letting you out and then on the 20th there are absolutely no restrictions.
[02:13]	activelow	i have another suspicion, which is it could be russian military secured ukrainian military installations
[02:13]	activelow	as a reminder, Ukraine was the 3rd largest nuclear force, globally (Budapest Memorandum)
[02:14]	activelow	which isn't discussed, if and how it was complied with, or not; because if Ukraine didn't comply, the intervention wasn't only justified, it was mandatory then
[02:14]	activelow	currently, Westinghouse Electric fiddling inside Ukrainian nuclear facilities was reported, which i consider confirmed
[02:15]	activelow	if anythign was violated, then USA supported this, actively, as an act of war
[02:15]	activelow	in Europe
[02:15]	activelow	recent rumors were some other installations, of ballistic missiles, close to borders of russian federation, probably another violation and act of war of USA
[02:16]	activelow	preceeding the "russian aggression"
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	[00:56] <XRevan86> She might get criminal charges for this.
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	to make an example of her
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	they might as well torture her and her relatives
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	like the nazis did in villages
[02:16]	DaemonFC	They'll make an example with criminal charges.
[02:16]	DaemonFC	Then they'll torment her and force her to read out a prepared confession.
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	crime: offending putin in frpont of people
[02:17]	DaemonFC	Then they'll make her apologize for the harm she has caused to the Russian people.
[02:20]	DaemonFC	I wouldn't be surprised if she was forced to say she was under the influence of others who were spreading this propaganda.
[02:20]	DaemonFC	That is the Communist playbook.
[02:20]	DaemonFC	So the one Putin would be well trained in.
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: does the suse stance/statement from suse extend to opensusse
[02:21]	schestowitz-TR	will they expel russian packagers, maintainers, code, projects?
[02:21]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: "I twas drunk"
[02:21]	schestowitz-TR	"I didn't know what I was saying"
[02:22]	schestowitz-TR	"I'm sorry I let the country down"
[02:22]	schestowitz-TR	maybe under threat of punishment to loved ones
[02:22]	schestowitz-TR	Putin=KGB
[02:22]	schestowitz-TR	this is his turf
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[02:27]	activelow	that's the trivial contradiction, i think: if Ukraine complied with Budapest memorandum, then the russian fleet at crimea couldn't exist
[02:28]	activelow	either it's controlled by russian including various nuclear stockpiles and carriers, and if it isn't and Ukraine controlled it, then Budapest memorandom cannot be complied with
[02:28]	schestowitz-TR	???
[02:28]	activelow	except if, Russia terminated the entire harbor, and with it access to mediterrenean coast
[02:28]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: Ukraine must not have possessed any nuclear weapons
[02:29]	activelow	yet Ukraine controlled crimea and the military installation there
[02:29]	activelow	that's a contradiction
[02:29]	schestowitz-TR	you said there were russian bases in crimea
[02:29]	schestowitz-TR	afaik, this is false
[02:29]	schestowitz-TR	and maybe you got that from russia propaganda sites
[02:29]	activelow	the status of crimea was disputed
[02:29]	schestowitz-TR	no
[02:29]	schestowitz-TR	it was part of ukraine
[02:30]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, gn
[02:30]	activelow	it's the military facilities there, which weren't "Ukraine", and cannot be, because this would violate the Budapest Memorandum
[02:31]	activelow	if russians had decided to dispose all their weapons and carriers there, they had lost access to mediterrenean sea... another free pass for USA and their acts of war in middle east
[02:31]	activelow	that's why
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[02:35]	MinceR	ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons in the Budapest Memorandum, which then terrorussia violated in 2014
[02:35]	activelow	MinceR: contradiction, if Ukraine controls crimea
[02:36]	MinceR	what contradicts what
[02:36]	activelow	Ukraine couldn't have both: crimea and compliance with budapest memorandum
[02:37]	activelow	add to this, i am still curious what Westinghouse Electric fiddled inside Ukrainian nuclear facilities
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[02:40]	activelow	the crimea question wasn't first and foremost a "violation of territorial integrity", it wasn't possible to retain "security guarantees" if Ukraine controlled crimea, which are the military facilities
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[02:40]	activelow	and Russian could not lose control over those military facilities, not because of Ukraine, because of USA and their aggressions
[02:41]	activelow	s
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[02:44]	MinceR	15 033630 < activelow> Ukraine couldn't have both: crimea and compliance with budapest memorandum
[02:44]	MinceR	bullshit
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[02:45]	MinceR	in the Budapest Memorandum, russia gave up all its territorial claims from ukraine
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[02:45]	MinceR	and crimea was part of ukraine at the time
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[02:45]	activelow	MinceR: i am not talking about crimea, i am referring to the military installations including soviet nuclear and carriers
[02:46]	activelow	Ukraine must not have possessed any of this, to retain "security guarantees"
[02:46]	MinceR	funny how crimea is literally in the message i cited
[02:47]	activelow	and Russia could not have lost control over those military installations, even if they wanted to, because... USA and their global aggressions
[02:47]	activelow	and crimea probably wasn't the only one
[02:48]	MinceR	russia kept control over their naval base in sevastopol, if that's what you mean
[02:49]	activelow	Maruipol, and some others
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[02:50]	MinceR	mariupol isn't even in crimea
[02:50]	activelow	yes, there is more
[02:50]	MinceR	you need to consume less russian propaganda, it's turning your brain into mush
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[02:50]	activelow	this isn't russian propaganda, it's facts
[02:51]	activelow	hadn't seen a nuclear submarine before, admit this, anyway
[02:51]	MinceR	yeah, i know
[02:51]	MinceR	"alternative facts"
[02:51]	activelow	unmentioned facts
[02:51]	activelow	zero coverage
[02:52]	activelow	i didn't hear anyone mention the Russian-Ukrainian gas dispute anymore either, or Westinghouse Electric fiddling inside Ukrainian nuclear facilities
[02:52]	activelow	ExxonMobile, Burisma, and who knows who else
[02:53]	MinceR	well, it's pretty much irrelevant at this point
[02:53]	activelow	and even if Ukraine intended to join EU, ... guess what, ExxonMobile is USA, not USA
[02:53]	MinceR	when this ends, there practically won't be a russia anymore
[02:53]	MinceR	possibly also no ukraine
[02:53]	MinceR	> USA, not USA
[02:53]	MinceR	ok
[02:53]	activelow	no EU
[02:53]	MinceR	guess what, usian corporations also do business in the EU
[02:54]	activelow	sure, and Atlantic Bridge minion war ciminals control the entire media apparatus, industry, politics
[02:54]	MinceR	yeah, especially RT
[02:55]	MinceR	and the other crap you read as gospel
[02:55]	activelow	why would you say there won't be any Ukraine and Russia anymore soon?
[02:56]	MinceR	the russian economy is crumbling
[02:56]	activelow	everyone is
[02:56]	activelow	more or less, mostly EU
[02:56]	MinceR	even if putler isn't deposed (putting his oligarchs in power, possibly fragmenting the country) and russia isn't sliced up by the west, they'll become isolated from their former trading partners and dependent on red china
[02:56]	activelow	which i consider social, political, and economical armageddon
[02:57]	MinceR	and that is assuming putler doesn't start a nuclear war that wipes us all out
[02:57]	MinceR	and who knows what will be left of ukraine
[02:57]	activelow	that's not his plan, neither for ukriane nor anyone else
[02:57]	MinceR	too bad
[02:57]	MinceR	he doesn't have the power to implement his plan
[02:57]	activelow	if at all, it's the plan of... USA
[02:57]	MinceR	his underlings lied to him
[02:57]	MinceR	and the west is more united than he thought
[02:57]	MinceR	indeed, the west is more united against him than they were against hitler
[02:58]	activelow	well, the "west" hasn't got me, which is the intelligence
[02:58]	activelow	or former, so to say
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[02:58]	MinceR	yeah, keep flattering yourself, it will help you understand what's going on
[02:58]	activelow	i have no clue, what will happen next
[02:59]	MinceR	it depends on several things
[02:59]	MinceR	will putler's madness make him launch ICBMs? were those ICBMs properly maintained? will they make it anywhere near the target? will they be able to explode?
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[03:00]	MinceR	will the west respond? will red china and north korea respond to _that_?
[03:01]	MinceR	also, how well do anti-ICBM systems work?
[03:01]	MinceR	were the people who predicted that bombing modern urban sprawls will result in such a great output of carbon black it will cause global nuclear winter, or will the people who said those people were wrong right?
[03:01]	MinceR	which of these powers are using salted warheads?
[03:02]	activelow	i don't think this are the plans of russian military
[03:02]	MinceR	also, will putler's underlings finally decide to separate him from the chain of command before he does even more damage?
[03:02]	MinceR	yeah
[03:02]	MinceR	the russian military didn't plan on being bogged down in ukraine for weeks
[03:02]	MinceR	they didn't plan on abandoning their vehicles due to fuel running out
[03:03]	activelow	overrated reportings
[03:03]	MinceR	they expected the ukrainians to welcome their new wannabe overlords with open arms
[03:03]	activelow	unverifiable
[03:03]	MinceR	is the reporting of the passage of time also overrated?
[03:03]	MinceR	have only 24 hours passed after all?
[03:04]	activelow	had a phone call today, my father said: "20th march there won't be any more questions asked about masks and vaccination status"
[03:05]	MinceR	and Papa Nurgle smiled
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[03:54]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/who-now-tracking-hybrid-covid-19-variant-deltacron/
[03:54]	TR Bot	 WHO now tracking hybrid COVID-19 variant: deltacron | WGN-TV
[03:54]	DaemonFC	There's an Electioncron variant that doesn't require any masks now, you know.
[03:55]	MinceR	lol
[03:55]	MinceR	i'm waiting for megacron
[03:56]	MinceR	and/or galvacron and/or unicron
[03:58]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, There's Facebook ads for a credit card backed by a "home equity loan".
[03:58]	DaemonFC	YOU CAN STILL SHOP!!!!
[03:58]	DaemonFC	JUST USE YOUR HOUSE!!!
[03:58]	MinceR	lol
[03:58]	DaemonFC	We take cash, debit, credit, and HOUSE!
[03:58]	DaemonFC	We take house and then when you don't pay we take house.
[03:59]	DaemonFC	But that's next year and Disney World is calling!
[03:59]	DaemonFC	They have STAR WARS LAND!
[03:59]	MinceR	still not as bad as russia
[03:59]	MinceR	"we take ukraine."
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[04:00]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Gas is so expensive now that you probably need to borrow against your home to drive to work and back if you commute.
[04:01]	DaemonFC	Mandy told me to get in the car and go get his medicine today. I told him "I'm not burning half a gallon of gas to get to the pharmacy when it'll still be there tomorrow when I'm on my way to pick you up!".
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[05:40]	AdmFubar	ooopsie doodles  https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/03/researcher-uses-600-year-old-algorithm-to-crack-crypto-keys-found-in-the-wild/
[05:40]	TR Bot	 Researcher uses 379-year-old algorithm to crack crypto keys found in the wild | Ars Technica
[05:45]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/torguard-vpn-blocks-bittorrent-on-us-servers-to-settle-piracy-lawsuit/
[05:45]	TR Bot	 BitTorrent blocking: TorGuard VPNs firewall nixes torrents on US servers | Ars Technica
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[07:01]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Monday, March 14, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[07:01]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[07:01]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[07:01]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[07:02]	TR News	#HowTo Use SFTP Command to Transfer Files Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162553
[07:02]	TR Bot	 How to Use SFTP Command to Transfer Files | Tux Machines
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[07:26]	schestowitz	MinceR: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/icbm.png
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[07:33]	TR News	5 more! "There are 2234 capsules. We successfully connected recently to 1795 of them." gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
[07:34]	TR News	"No desease but two more years of hard lockdown. Why? Because as much as I'd love to have open freedom as soon as possible, I would never choose to have COVID-19 or reduced fitness for that. It's not only the six-week desease: it also results in permanent damage to the lungs" gemini://avalos.me/gemlog/2021-11-30-bronzies-five-questions-for-december-2021.gmi
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[07:35]	schestowitz-TR	gm, XRevan86
[07:36]	XRevan86	schestowitz: openSUSE hasn't bannedme, no.
[07:36]	TR News	"I finally implemented a database on Amphipod and its soooo fast now!!! No more stupid json files. ough, it seems like MongoDB's "sample" aggregator or whatever is super biased towards oldest documents?" gemini://seapunk.xyz/log/4d6011653e251b63f78f37f1ebee3533.gmi
[07:36]	XRevan86	"and Russian could not lose control over those military facilities, not because of Ukraine, because of USA and their aggressions" <- Crimea's existence violating the Budapest Memorandum is a new take to me.
[07:36]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: if they treated you poorly, be sure to tell me
[07:37]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: yes, I ignore that revisionism
[07:38]	TR News	"My main drive was filled to about 70 GB, and my backup was 89 GB." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-03-14-videos-are-big.gmi
[07:40]	TR News	"Its common to hear computer jobs described as cushy at least compared to manual work. But Im back at my desk for the first time in a few months, and let me tell you: if you arent acclimated to it, working on a computer all day long is exhausting." gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220314_computer_work
[07:41]	TR News	"Both sides engage in a propaganda war. The majority of citizens in the West seem capable of spotting lies, exaggerations, censorship, and repression on the Russian side, but completely unable to detect the same on their own side." gemini://oberdada.pollux.casa/gemlog/2022-03-14_madness.gmi
[07:41]	TR News	"I have decided to write another GTK application in Rust, this time I am progressing extremely fast. Note that this post goes on for probably way to long, probably including too much unnecessary things. The tldr is: I was busy and very productive this week." gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/03/14/gtk-in-one-week/
[07:42]	TR News	I made a Gemini app! gemini://ivanodintsoff.smol.pub/i-made-a-gemini-app
[07:43]	XRevan86	schestowitz: "yes, I ignore that revisionism" <- activelw always has interesting takes.
[07:43]	XRevan86	At least he's not blaming the Jews I guess.
[07:44]	schestowitz-TR	leave that to Mel Gibson
[07:46]	TR News	"I shared the code for a sample application a few weeks ago with the promise that I'd be making a follow-up video on the topic. Well, here it is!" gemini://tilde.team/~tomasino/journal/20220308-how-to-build-a-gemini-application.gmi
[07:48]	TR News	"Offpunk looks very interesting. However I don't need a offline browser at the moment. It's nice that it's combining all aspects in one, and it's merging Gophersphere and Geminispace." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi
[07:49]	TR News	"I finally got around to tinker around with Arch on my Raspi 4 8GB. It seems that this will make a pretty capable small desktop replacement, especially if on SSD is attached. :) Well see if everything that i need for my daily driver will run." gemini://en.gmn.clttr.info/
[07:50]	TR News	 #IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 14, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/irc-log-140322/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/irc-log-140322/
[07:50]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 14, 2022 | Techrights
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[07:53]	TR News	"Here are a few things I do immediately on any new Linux server" https://danielmiessler.com/blog/things-immediately-new-linux-box/
[07:53]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: danielmiessler.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://danielmiessler.com/blog/things-immediately-new-linux-box/
[07:53]	TR Bot	 Things I Do Immediately on a New Linux Box - Daniel Miessler
[07:53]	TR News	"If you're trying to protect an Nginx server from a ton of traffic" https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/rate-limiting-requests-ip-address-nginx
[07:53]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: jeffgeerling.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/rate-limiting-requests-ip-address-nginx
[07:53]	TR Bot	 Rate limiting requests per IP address in Nginx | Jeff Geerling
[07:54]	TR News	"A while back some Unix systems introduced a device called /dev/full. Reading from /dev/full returns zero bytes, just like /dev/zero" https://blog.plover.com/2022/03/13/#error-device
[07:54]	TR Bot	 The Universe of Discourse : Why no Unix error device?
[07:54]	TR News	"Brad Alexander emailed asking how I dual-boot my FreeBSD workstation that doubles as a Linux Steam game machine" https://rubenerd.com/my-lazy-approach-to-freebsd-dual-booting/
[07:54]	TR Bot	My lazy approach to FreeBSD dual-booting
[07:55]	TR News	"Unix Philosophy was first put into writing by Doug McIlroy in the 1978 Bell System Technical Journal." https://klarasystems.com/articles/unix-philosophy-a-quick-look-at-the-ideas-that-made-unix/
[07:55]	TR Bot	 Unix Philosophy: A Quick Look at the Ideas that Made Unix | Klara Inc.
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[07:55]	TR News	I have previously been running NetBSD/evbarm and OpenBSD/armv7 on my CubieBoard2, and wrote about it here and here
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[07:55]	TR News	"I have previously been running NetBSD/evbarm and OpenBSD/armv7 on my CubieBoard2, and wrote about it here and here" https://www.cambus.net/freebsd-on-the-cubieboard2/
[07:55]	TR Bot	 FreeBSD on the CubieBoard2 | Frederic Cambus
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[07:56]	TR News	"The impending price rises are result of a pincer movement of sorts, according to the semiconductor industry researchers." https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ddr3-supplies-rapidly-shrinking-as-consumers-hold-onto-older-hardware
[07:56]	TR Bot	 DDR3 Supplies Rapidly Shrinking as Consumers Hold Onto Older Hardware | Tom's Hardware
[07:57]	TR News	"With the r4.8 release of moteus, a not-yet-announced feature was included the ability to have an off-board primary encoder!" https://jpieper.com/2022/03/08/external-primary-encoders-for-moteus/
[07:57]	TR Bot	 external primary encoders for moteus | A Modicum of Fun
[07:57]	TR News	"Today I needed to play back an MP3 or WAV file through a USB audio device on a Raspberry Pi, in a Python script. "Should be easy!" I thought!" https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/playing-sounds-python-on-raspberry-pi
[07:57]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: jeffgeerling.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/playing-sounds-python-on-raspberry-pi
[07:57]	TR Bot	 Playing sounds with Python on a Raspberry Pi | Jeff Geerling
[07:58]	TR News	"We have a very special announcement for today's blog: The Arduino Uno Mini Limited Edition is now available at SparkFun Electronics" https://www.sparkfun.com/news/4366
[07:58]	TR Bot	Uno Mini Limited Edition - News - SparkFun Electronics
[07:59]	TR News	"I was talking to a friend last summer about what resources might be helpful for folks learning to program" https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/03/08/tiny-programs/
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[07:59]	TR Bot	 Some tiny personal programs I've written
[07:59]	TR News	"The following is my experience with each of the above (as it relates to my blogI get it, not all sites have the constraints and needs of a personal blog, so caveat noted)" https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/inline-all-the-things/
[07:59]	TR Bot	 Inline All The Things - Jim Nielsens Blog
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[08:00]	TR News	"Over the past few months, Ive been hard at work trying to reduce the latency of workflows for one of the APIs that my team owns." https://benjamincongdon.me/blog/2022/03/11/One-Weird-Trick/
[08:00]	TR Bot	 One Weird Trick | Ben Congdon
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[08:01]	TR News	"The underlying courtroom confrontation kicked off way back in 2014, when Christian rapper Flame accused Katy Perry of infringing upon his Joyful Noise track, which first released in 2008." https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/03/11/katy-perry-dark-horse-appeal-victory/
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[08:02]	TR News	"It seems that every time there is a large political event in the world, someone calls for someone else to be excluded from the Internet." https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/why-the-world-must-resist-calls-to-undermine-the-internet/
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[08:02]	TR Bot	 Why the World Must Resist Calls to Undermine the Internet - Internet Society
[08:02]	TR News	"Julian Assanges solicitors Birnberg Peirce statement on Supreme Court Decision..." https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-release/uk-supreme-court-refuses-permission-to-appeal-in-assange-extradition/
[08:02]	TR Bot	 UK Supreme Court refuses permission to appeal in Assange extradition - Don't Extradite Assange
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[08:04]	XRevan86	https://theins.ru/news/249294 Lawyers still cannot find her, The Investigative Committee are initiating an inquiry relating to the 144-145 criminal codes.
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[08:04]	TR Bot	 , 
[08:04]	TR News	"In our last blog, GPS vs GNSS, we covered the basics of how satellites function together to create usable geolocation devices." https://www.sparkfun.com/news/4278
[08:04]	TR Bot	GNSS Orbits - News - SparkFun Electronics
[08:05]	TR News	"Let's say there's a network failure: half of the computers connected to the system can no longer communicate with each other" https://matt-rickard.com/blockchain-trade-offs/
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[08:05]	TR Bot	 Blockchain Trade-offs
[08:06]	TR News	"At IOP Publishing, we have introduced two different but complementary approaches to bias reduction at all our self-owned open access journals." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/anonymity-or-transparency-best-solution-bias-peer-review
[08:06]	TR Bot	 Is anonymity or transparency the best solution to bias in peer review? | Times Higher Education (THE)
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[08:13]	TR News	"The U.S. chipmaker unveiled plans last September to invest as much as $95 billion in Europe over the next decade" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/intel-to-announce-details-of-europe-investment-plans-on-tuesday/90213948 blah blah blah http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel
[08:13]	TR Bot	 intel: Intel to announce details of Europe investment plans on Tuesday, CIO News, ET CIO
[08:13]	TR Bot	 Intel - Techrights
[08:13]	TR News	Microsoft: we want to kill Windows but make a few pennies in the process https://www.thurrott.com/windows/264202/microsoft-is-experimenting-with-ads-in-the-windows-11-file-explorer
[08:13]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/windows/264202/microsoft-is-experimenting-with-ads-in-the-windows-11-file-explorer )
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[08:15]	TR News	"For the unversed YouTube Vanced is a modded version of the original app that allows users to block all video ads on YouTube without a premium subscription." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/enterprise-services-and-applications/youtube-vanced-to-shut-down-due-to-legal-reasons/90213924
[08:15]	TR Bot	 youtube vanced: YouTube Vanced to shut down 'due to legal reasons', CIO News, ET CIO
[08:16]	SomeH4x0r	anyone else willing to continue developing it though?
[08:16]	TR News	We leaked your data, but we refuse to talk about it... https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/11/22972768/ubisoft-cyber-security-incident-hack
[08:16]	TR Bot	 Ubisoft says it experienced a cyber security incident, and the purported Nvidia hackers are taking credit - The Verge
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[08:20]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[08:20]	TR News	"Why FIDO2 and WebAuthN are so much better than SMS and app-based auth" https://danielmiessler.com/blog/not-all-mfa-is-equal-and-the-differences-matter-a-lot/
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[08:20]	TR Bot	 Not All MFA is Equal, and the Differences Matter a Lot - Daniel Miessler
[08:20]	matey	marina ovsanikova is already a hero, google translate worked pretty well on xrevans article but leaves something to be desired
[08:20]	matey	hi someh4x0r
[08:21]	TR News	"A month ago I tweeted about my annoyance with SSO or Single Sign On." https://goteleport.com/blog/why-sso-sucks/
[08:21]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: goteleport.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://goteleport.com/blog/why-sso-sucks/
[08:21]	TR Bot	 Why SSO Sucks and the future of SSO | Teleport
[08:21]	matey	the google translate version is pretty good, except for this line:
[08:21]	matey	What kind of article is incriminated to oatmeal is still unknown.
[08:22]	schestowitz-TR	:0)
[08:22]	matey	it would take a russian speaker i assume, to explain how that came about. but google will literally turn line noise into real words, so it could be the algorithm (and not have any real linguistic explanation)
[08:22]	XRevan86	Ah, it's because she's Ovsyannikova
[08:22]	XRevan86	An oatmeal-related surname.
[08:23]	matey	there you have it
[08:23]	matey	so the problem wasnt even in translation, it actually did a decent job there
[08:23]	TR News	Surveillance "https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/bob-iger-avatar-metaverse-investment-1235110823/
[08:23]	TR Bot	 Bob Iger Joins Web3 Metaverse Avatar Company Genies The Hollywood Reporter
[08:23]	matey	i mean, its far from the random word it appears to be
[08:24]	TR News	"The service was set to impose mandatory logins for use from today [Tuesday] but does not appear to have done so as of this writing [1140 AEDT]" https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/no-opt-out-for-users-as-iview-mandatory-logins-introduced-researcher.html
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[08:24]	TR Bot	- No opt-out for users as iview mandatory logins introduced: researcher
[08:24]	matey	i use google translate very sparingly, a couple times a month or less on average
[08:24]	matey	it is easier than learning russian
[08:24]	TR News	"The exact purpose for which Ukraine's defense ministry is using the technology is unclear, Ton-That said." https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/13/ukraine-has-started-using-clearview-ais-facial-recognition-during-war.html
[08:24]	TR Bot	 Ukraine has started using Clearview AIs facial recognition during war
[08:25]	TR News	"potentially vet people of interest at checkpoints, among other uses" https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-ukraine-has-started-using-clearview-ais-facial-recognition-during-war-2022-03-13/
[08:25]	TR Bot	Ukraine has started using Clearview AIs facial recognition during war | Reuters
[08:26]	TR News	"He told the agency that his company has a database of more than 2 billion images from the Russian social media service VKontakte." https://www.thequint.com/explainers/clearview-ai-the-controversial-facial-recognition-tech-ukraine-is-using-against-russia
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[08:26]	TR Bot	 Clearview AI: The Controversial Facial Recognition Tech Ukraine is Using Against Russia
[08:26]	TR News	"Clearview AI's technology has been criticised by privacy watchdogs." https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60738204
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[08:26]	TR Bot	offered tool to search billions of faces - BBC News
[08:26]	matey	it would be awesome to take wiktionary, get the translated words for each word, and at least be able to do a mechanical translation on any text (only getting as far as the size of vocabulary that wiktionary has in its translation section, which is limited)
[08:27]	matey	without even an internet connection
[08:27]	matey	or any sort of machine learning
[08:27]	TR News	"That is changing. These days, authorities are also investigating XVideos. Survivors of sexualized violence are going public." https://netzpolitik.org/2022/xvideos-the-porn-empire-next-door/
[08:27]	TR Bot	 XVideos: The porn empire next door
[08:27]	TR News	"Match said up to 500,000 free Garbo searches would be made available, and thereafter a check would cost $2.50 plus a processing fee." https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tinder-lets-users-run-background-checks-before-dates-1698746
[08:27]	TR Bot	 Tinder lets users run background checks before dates
[08:28]	matey	of course many of the translations would be hilarious, and it would settle once and for all the limitations of a mechanical and literal translation. maybe it would even end the baptist church.
[08:28]	matey	but id find it useful either way
[08:28]	TR News	"Complaints in five countries. An alliance of organizations, including noyb, Privacy International (PI), Hermes Center, and Homo Digitalis, filed a series of complaints against Clearview AI Inc. in May 2021." https://noyb.eu/en/eu-20-mio-fine-clearview-ai-italy
[08:28]	TR Bot	 20 Mio Fine for Clearview AI in Italy
[08:29]	TR News	Confidentiality: ""Whistleblowing is dangerous business. Whistleblowers face grave consequences if theyre caught and, to make matters worse, the anonymity set the set of potential whistleblowers for a given story is often quite small." https://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2022/03/11/coverdrop-securing-initial-contact-for-whistleblowers/
[08:29]	TR Bot	 CoverDrop: Securing Initial Contact for Whistleblowers | Light Blue Touchpaper
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[08:39]	kingoffrance	Is anonymity or transparency the best solution to bias in peer review? | Times Higher Education (THE)        it turns out the answer is..........neither, you have to register or subscribe to read
[08:39]	TR News	"In cooperation between the workers union UNI Global and privacy NGO noyb.eu, Amazon warehouse workers from Germany, UK, Italy, Poland and Slovakia filed access requests under Article 15 GDPR today." https://noyb.eu/en/amazon-workers-demand-data-transparency
[08:39]	TR Bot	 Amazon Workers demand Data-Transparency
[08:40]	matey	im not sure how anonymity would reduce bias
[08:40]	kingoffrance	im not sure why they think there is such a thing as a non-biased individual
[08:40]	matey	nor how nymity would reveal it
[08:40]	TR News	Trying to maintain US dominance amid economic collapse https://www.vice.com/en/article/akva8e/biden-signs-executive-order-bullish-on-crypto-digital-us-dollar
[08:40]	TR Bot	 Biden Signs Executive Order Bullish on Crypto, Digital U.S. Dollar
[08:41]	matey	if there was, they would produce perfect arguments
[08:41]	TR News	"The EU Parliaments committee on economic and monetary affairs voted on Monday to move forward with a legislative framework for regulating digital assets." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/14/22977132/bitcoin-european-union-parliament-ban-proof-of-work-cryptocurrencies
[08:41]	TR Bot	 EU Parliament backs off plans to phase out energy-hungry cryptocurrencies - The Verge
[08:41]	matey	well, not necessarily
[08:41]	matey	they could still be in error, but none of their errors would be due to bias
[08:42]	matey	but those would still be the best arguments! and people would trust those arguments as if jesus came back
[08:42]	TR News	"Meta Platforms Inc. after the owner of Facebook and Instagram Thursday said it will allow calls for violence" https://siliconangle.com/2022/03/10/facebook-instagram-will-now-allow-language-calling-violence-russian-troops/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/
[08:42]	TR Bot	opens criminal case against Meta after it allows language calling for violence against Russian troops - SiliconANGLE
[08:42]	TR Bot	 Twitter Profits From Conflict | Techrights
[08:42]	matey	of course its all imaginary, but most perfect things are 
[08:42]	TR News	"There have been several calls for Russian Internet networks to be shut down in one way or another and announcements that Russia is going to make such cuts" https://labs.ripe.net/author/stephane_bortzmeyer/internet-network-shutdowns-in-russia/
[08:42]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: ripe.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://labs.ripe.net/author/stephane_bortzmeyer/internet-network-shutdowns-in-russia/
[08:42]	TR Bot	 Internet Network Shutdowns in Russia | RIPE Labs
[08:43]	TR News	"There is much speculation about what has been happening to the Internet in Ukraine since the ongoing conflict began on 24 February." https://labs.ripe.net/author/emileaben/the-ukrainian-internet/
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[08:43]	TR Bot	 The Ukrainian Internet | RIPE Labs
[08:44]	TR News	Social control media = platforms for hate, violence and terror. Just make sure you're on the "right" side, i.e. the one more financially beneficial to Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg. http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/
[08:45]	TR News	Oligarchs' gerrymandering through thresholds? https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/electoral-threshold-plan-to-oust-german-small-party-meps/
[08:45]	TR Bot	 Electoral threshold plan to oust German small party MEPs Patrick Breyer
[08:45]	matey	the worst thing about that article is the title. it suggests that "anonymity" and "transparency" are mutually exclusive
[08:45]	matey	which they are (in some ways)
[08:46]	TR News	Crazy ol man pretends he solved COVID-19 although a million USians died and are still dying https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/03/biden-says-infrastructure-bill-will-transform-america-in-first-in-person-dnc-winter-meeting-in-2-years/
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[08:46]	TR Bot	 Biden Says Infrastructure Bill Will Transform America in First In-Person DNC Winter Meeting in 2 Years : Broadband Breakfast
[08:46]	kingoffrance	thats because they're biased!
[08:46]	matey	i think there are too many studies that anonymise results in the process of removing bias for the question to (broadly) make sense
[08:47]	matey	maybe thats a different question though
[08:47]	kingoffrance	no, that's a perfect example
[08:47]	matey	thats because they're biased! <- exactly. whoever wrote the article was biased, whether they were anonymous or not
[08:48]	TR News	Speaking of COVID deniers... http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/
[08:48]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights
[08:48]	kingoffrance	you get totally different results if you mandate binary versus trinary versus etc.  conway's law :D
[08:48]	TR News	Social control media https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/qanon-ukraine-biolabs-russian-propaganda-efforts-boosted-us-far-right-rcna19392
[08:48]	TR Bot	 QAnon, Ukraine and 'biolabs': Russian propaganda efforts boosted by U.S. far right
[08:48]	kingoffrance	to get back to your baptist quip lol
[08:49]	TR News	Social control media far from harmless. We need to shun and boycott social control media for our own good... https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/first-war-tiktok-era-sees-tragedy-humor-deceit-1698779
[08:49]	TR Bot	 First war of the TikTok era sees tragedy, humor and deceit
[08:49]	matey	oh im only picking on them because theyre so "literalist" 
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[08:49]	TR News	Social control media in action https://www.protocol.com/policy/tiktok-newsguard-covid
[08:49]	TR Bot	is pushing COVID-19 misinformation on kids - Protocol
[08:49]	matey	and adore the letter of the law to the point where they think "jews for jesus" is a great idea
[08:49]	kingoffrance	that wasnt a complaint ...
[08:49]	matey	oh i didnt think it was
[08:49]	kingoffrance	:)
[08:49]	TR News	"A new report from Harvard researchers finds that TikTok remains a rich source of misinformation and disinformation about Ukraine" https://www.fastcompany.com/90730873/tiktok-ukrainian-war-misinformation-harvard-research
[08:49]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: fastcompany.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fastcompany.com/90730873/tiktok-ukrainian-war-misinformation-harvard-research
[08:49]	TR Bot	 Why Ukrainian war misinformation spreads so quickly on TikTok
[08:50]	matey	but i mean, if everyone had an idea of how absurd literal translations really were
[08:50]	matey	and could see them performed on anything
[08:50]	TR News	"Misinformation ricochets around the internet during any world event or political conflict thats nothing new but TikTok poses new challenges" https://digiday.com/media/misinformation-on-tiktok-is-a-whole-different-beast-how-publishers-are-tackling-the-ukraine-russia-war-disinformation-problem-on-tiktok/
[08:50]	TR Bot	 How publishers are tackling the war disinformation problem on TikTok
[08:50]	matey	im only saying that a pleasant side effect (hardly a goal) might be a reduction in "marketshare" for baptists
[08:50]	TR News	"Zoe Thomas: TikTok is home to millions of fun and silly videos. But since Russia invaded Ukraine, users' feeds have been flooded with videos about the war" https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/tech-news-briefing/tiktoks-new-moderation-challenge-ukraine-war-videos/4c2252bc-93ce-4085-95cf-7329618532c5
[08:51]	TR Bot	New Moderation Challenge: Ukraine War Videos - Tech News Briefing - WSJ Podcasts
[08:51]	matey	id probably find that when i wanted to read an article in another language, it helped "just enough" for my purposes
[08:51]	TR News	"In one video on Wednesday, RIA Novosti laced together recorded U.S. Senate testimony from Victoria Nuland, a State Department official, about biological-research labs in Ukraine with a voiceover falsely suggesting Ukraine has covered up bio-warfare projects" https://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2022/03/09/tiktok-russia-ukraine-misinformation-ria-novosti-ban-putin/
[08:51]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2022/03/09/tiktok-russia-ukraine-misinformation-ria-novosti-ban-putin/
[08:51]	TR Bot	 Kremlins RIA Novosti Continues Posting TikTok Propaganda Despite Platforms Russia Ban
[08:51]	matey	or maybe it would only prove that it wasnt nearly enough.
[08:53]	matey	if youre looking at a mechanical translation, a direct one, you either become a detective or you become lost
[08:53]	matey	funnily enough, as you know as much as anyone here, even when youre looking at a scholarly and expert translation, you will sometimes become lost unless you are a detective
[08:54]	matey	and then as far as the media goes, even when looking at something written in the native language of the writer... without being a detective, you will be lost
[08:55]	matey	because you have to compare what theyre saying to what you know. and this is just as true when you know their name. 
[08:55]	TR News	"The Indiana State Teachers Association said it found out less than a week before the legislative session ended early Wednesday about emails sent through a form on its website not reaching the accounts of lawmakers" https://www.securityweek.com/filter-blocked-70000-emails-indiana-lawmakers-bill
[08:55]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: securityweek.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.securityweek.com/filter-blocked-70000-emails-indiana-lawmakers-bill
[08:55]	TR Bot	Blocked 70,000 Emails to Indiana Lawmakers on Bill | SecurityWeek.Com
[08:55]	kingoffrance	https://xkcd.com/1168/   to save literal translations, simply enter your favorite passage of any book.  you have 10 seconds.         KOF?    KOF: ......   i'm so sorry....
[08:55]	TR Bot	tar
[08:55]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/1168/
[08:56]	TR News	"Real-time network data show that the restrictions are coming into effect across multiple providers rendering the platform widely unusable, corroborating user reports." https://netblocks.org/reports/instagram-restricted-in-russia-as-online-space-continues-to-shrink-JBQXvVAo
[08:56]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: netblocks.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://netblocks.org/reports/instagram-restricted-in-russia-as-online-space-continues-to-shrink-JBQXvVAo
[08:56]	TR Bot	 Instagram restricted in Russia as online space continues to shrink - NetBlocks
[08:56]	matey	lol
[08:57]	TR News	"There are prisoners of conscience on Saudi death row, and others arrested as children or charged with non-violent crimes. We fear for every one of them following this brutal display of impunity." https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20220313-saudi-arabia-executes-record-81-people-in-one-day-for-terrorism-related-offences
[08:57]	TR Bot	 Saudi Arabia executes record 81 people in one day for terrorism-related offences
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[08:57]	TR News	"The present version of the AIA is a draft written by the European Commission published in 2021. Now the elected European Parliament is seeking commentary as it proposes a revised and hopefully improved version." https://www.wired.com/story/artificial-intelligence-regulation-european-union/ see http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/buzzwords-from-brussels/
[08:57]	TR Bot	Is in Danger of Using the Wrong Definition of AI | WIRED
[08:57]	TR Bot	 A Soup of Buzzwords From Brussels (the European Commission) | Techrights
[08:58]	TR News	the gap between those who have and do not have access to computers and the Internet https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/what-is-the-digital-divide/
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[08:58]	TR Bot	 What Is the Digital Divide? - Internet Society
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[09:01]	matey	if i were the judge i have a simple verdict https://www.adrforum.com/DomainDecisions/1980642.htm
[09:02]	TR Bot	 NATIONAL ARBITRATION FORUM
[09:02]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 19.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.38
[09:02]	matey	all charges would be dismissed as soon as the domains "weOWNfedora.com" and "weownyourcomputer.com" could be registered to ibm.
[09:03]	matey	as that clearly reflects what ibm thinks is true.
[09:03]	TR News	COVID-19 surging in Europe, even in spring. Apathy and false assumption of safety will bite us. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/14/covid-cases-have-surged/
[09:03]	TR Bot	Blog Archive In Spite of NHS Changes to Reporting Definitions (to Make Numbers Seem a Lot Lower), Another Surge in COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalisations
[09:04]	TR News	"But, Ive been saying this for a while, prices in most areas have not started to come down. In fact, the prices of many of these items are continuing to rise." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/more-bad-news-on-inflation/
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[09:04]	TR Bot	Bad News on Inflation - CounterPunch.org
[09:05]	matey	id also want to know if wemakefedora.org is directly competing with ibm sales using that domain. its a lot easier to throw out if it isnt.
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[09:06]	TR News	"Arch and the Web make us feel old, the BBC makes us rather cross, a kernel vulnerability makes us laugh, Mozilla makes us wonder, and KDE makes us happy." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-168/
[09:06]	TR Bot	 Late Night Linux Episode 168 Late Night Linux
[09:06]	matey	this isnt like this isnt like 1-800-its-unix
[09:08]	TR News	"Blowback can also be applied to U.S. propaganda, particularly the CIAs black propaganda that was designed for an overseas audience" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/14/the-united-states-of-america-victims-of-its-own-disinformation/
[09:08]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/14/the-united-states-of-america-victims-of-its-own-disinformation/
[09:08]	TR Bot	United States Of America: Victims Of Its Own Disinformation - CounterPunch.org
[09:08]	matey	that link actually answers my question: 
[09:08]	matey	As to bad faith, Complainant has submitted five articles posted by different volunteers on <wemakefedora.org> in early October 2021 which appear to describe technical subjects and social phenomena in the open-source community (Exhibit 4). None of these articles appear to be asking for money. None of them are asking visitors to abandon Complainants Fedora product and use an alternative.
[09:09]	matey	there you go
[09:09]	matey	FINDINGS Complainant has failed to establish all the elements entitling it to relief and has brought the Complaint primarily to harass the domain-name holder.
[09:09]	matey	hey hey
[09:10]	matey	note this is the same company that controls gcc and gdb. gives you a warm fuzzy feeling... like a house centipede on a bare foot.
[09:11]	matey	of course by "control" i only mean in the sense that github controls any project there-- or in the sense of the gcc steering committee.
[09:12]	matey	a nice mirror of ibm gcc https://sr.ht/~sourceware/gcc/
[09:12]	TR Bot	 gcc: GNU Compiler Collection
[09:15]	TR News	"Two of the largest movie and TV streaming sharing sites have had their domain names suspended over the past few days." https://torrentfreak.com/major-streaming-piracy-sites-have-their-domain-names-suspended-220314/
[09:15]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/major-streaming-piracy-sites-have-their-domain-names-suspended-220314/
[09:15]	TR Bot	Streaming Piracy Sites Have Their Domain Names Suspended * TorrentFreak
[09:15]	SomeH4x0r	matey: ^ was I talking to you about it?
[09:15]	TR News	"YouTube Vanced is an extremely popular Android app that improves the standard YouTube experience with new features including ad-blocking and background play." https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-vanced-app-forced-to-shut-down-for-legal-reasons-220314/
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[09:15]	TR Bot	Vanced App Forced to Shut Down 'For Legal Reasons' * TorrentFreak
[09:16]	SomeH4x0r	not exactly, it just removes stupid DRM
[09:16]	SomeH4x0r	where applicable
[09:20]	matey	matey: ^ was I talking to you about it? <- SomeH4x0r, i dont know?
[09:20]	SomeH4x0r	suspending domain names
[09:20]	matey	oh, yes
[09:20]	matey	actually you were
[09:21]	matey	i was not aware of this action from the ibm death star until today (or at least if i was, i wasnt paying attention until they reached a verdict)
[09:22]	TR News	EFF Asks Federal Appellate Court to Re-hear Important Patent Transparency Case https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/eff-asks-federal-appellate-court-re-hear-important-patent-transparency-case
[09:22]	TR Bot	 EFF Asks Federal Appellate Court to Re-hear Important Patent Transparency Case | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[09:22]	matey	from the looks of it, ibm failed to convince anyone that pocock hurt anything but their pride
[09:23]	matey	at least in the legal sense. hopefully this destroys their reputation as a good company even further
[09:23]	matey	im not holding onto a lot of hope, i mean this is a company that can literally get away with mass murder
[09:23]	matey	but its not a crime to wish for better things
[09:24]	matey	unless you work for the russian news of course
[09:24]	TR News	"Without any explanation, the British Supreme Court denied WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange permission to appeal a decision by the British High Court." https://thedissenter.org/uk-supreme-court-slams-door-on-assange-appeal/
[09:24]	TR Bot	 UK Supreme Court Slams Door On Assange Appeal
[09:24]	matey	then its a crime
[09:25]	TR News	OnLogic announces Factor 201 Raspberry Pi CM4 industrial PC, Factor 202 controller coming soon Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162554
[09:25]	TR Bot	 OnLogic announces Factor 201 Raspberry Pi CM4 industrial PC, Factor 202 controller coming soon | Tux Machines
[09:25]	TR News	6 Best Free and Open Source Lightweight Front-End Frameworks Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162555
[09:25]	TR Bot	 6 Best Free and Open Source Lightweight Front-End Frameworks | Tux Machines
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[09:33]	TR News	"It was only after Poitras teamed up with EFF to sue the government that she was able to see evidence of the governments six-year campaign of spying on her" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/podcast-episode-watching-watchers oh, the old 'EFF' http://techrights.org/2021/11/05/not-the-frontier-anymore/
[09:33]	TR Bot	 Podcast Episode: Watching the Watchers | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[09:33]	TR Bot	 EFF Has Been Hijacked, and Just Like Mozilla and the Linux Foundation It Doesnt Fight for What It Was Originally Made to Achieve | Techrights
[09:34]	TR News	#ibm #redhat just another corporate shill in service of Empire, resorting to collective punishment https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hats-response-war-ukraine see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment
[09:35]	TR Bot	 Red Hats response to the war in Ukraine
[09:35]	TR Bot	 Collective punishment - Wikipedia
[09:36]	TR News	As if they punish the war machine in Russia, rather than ordinary citizens (many of whom are brainwashed, some strongly object to the invasion... if they know it is one) https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/03/11/music-industry-russia-exits/
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[09:36]	TR Bot	 Here Are All the Music Industry Companies That Have Left Russia
[09:37]	TR News	IRC being IRC, and people using pseudonyms http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-140322.html#tMar%2014%2014:51:59
[09:37]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, March 14, 2022
[09:38]	TR News	This is where taxpayers' money goes... https://www.voanews.com/a/us-pays-2m-a-month-to-protect-pompeo-aide-due-to-iran-threat/6482364.html
[09:38]	TR Bot	 US Pays $2M a Month to Protect Pompeo, Aide Due to Iran Threat
[09:38]	TR News	CAs = MLM, fake security model https://securityboulevard.com/2022/03/russia-force-feeds-new-trusted-ca-yeah-right/
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[09:38]	TR Bot	 Russia Force-Feeds new, Trusted CAYeah, RIGHT - Security Boulevard
[09:40]	TR News	TikTok Sounds used to spread COVID vaccine misinformation: think tank | Arab News https://www.arabnews.com/node/1893961/media social control media NOT harmless
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[09:40]	TR Bot	 TikTok Sounds used to spread COVID vaccine misinformation: think tank | Arab News
[09:41]	TR News	"Washington state lawmakers are set to dedicate $1.5 million to removing toxic fluorescent lights from schools and another $125,000 to studying environmental hazards and creating new standards to protect students from exposure to harmful substances." https://www.propublica.org/article/washington-state-budgets-1-6-million-for-study-and-removal-of-toxic-lights
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[09:41]	TR Bot	 Washington State Budgets $1.6 Million for Study and Removal of Toxic Lights ProPublica
[09:43]	TR News	"Pretextual stops are law enforcement at its most shameless." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/lapd-police-commission-enrages-police-union-by-enacting-minor-changes-to-pretextual-stops/
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[09:43]	TR Bot	Police Commission Enrages Police Union By Enacting Minor Changes To Pretextual Stops | Techdirt
[09:44]	TR News	"Ive been writing about quackery and the antivaccine movement for over two decades" https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/03/14/mms-as-a-cure-for-covid-19/ WWW does its thing...
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[09:44]	TR Bot	 MMS (a.k.a. bleach) as a "cure" for COVID-19 - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE
[09:47]	TR News	Everyone should quit paying Starbucks even a nickel https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-union-files-complaint-saying-company-is-cutting-hours-to-union-bust/
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[09:47]	TR Bot	 Starbucks Union Files Complaint Saying Company Is Cutting Hours to Union Bust
[09:47]	TR News	"Shenzhen just recently got put on a week-long lockdown." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/14/hackers-beware-shenzhen-is-closing/
[09:47]	TR Bot	Beware: Shenzhen Is Closing | Hackaday
[09:48]	TR News	"Join us on Wednesday, March 16 at noon Pacific for the Open Source ASICs Hack Chat with Matt Venn!" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/14/open-source-asics-hack-chat-with-matt-venn/
[09:48]	TR Bot	Source ASICs Hack Chat With Matt Venn | Hackaday
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[09:49]	TR News	"When youre a natural telecom monopoly in America you get away with a lot." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/big-isps-avoided-2020-law-banning-predatory-modem-rental-fees-by-simply-calling-them-something-else/
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[09:49]	TR Bot	ISPs Avoided 2020 Law Banning Predatory Modem Rental Fees By Simply Calling Them Something Else | Techdirt
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[09:52]	TR News	Bad to be understocked on tech at the moment https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/14/supply-chain-problems-continue-as-inflation-jumps-in-february/
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[09:52]	TR Bot	Chain Problems Continue as Inflation Jumps In February - CounterPunch.org
[09:53]	TR News	"Private companies have a lot of people to answer to. When you ask them, theyll claim its either shareholders or customers that they owe their ultimate duty to." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/corporate-information-wants-to-be-free/
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[09:58]	TR News	Oil cartel https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/14/there-should-be-consequences-it-ocasio-cortez-slams-big-oil-price-gouging
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[09:58]	TR Bot	 'There Should Be Consequences for It': Ocasio-Cortez Slams Big Oil Price Gouging
● Mar 15
[10:02]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/15/us/yonkers-alleged-hate-crime-attack/index.html
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[10:02]	TR Bot	NY attack: Asian woman stomped on and punched more than 125 times after being called racial slur, police say - CNN
[10:02]	DaemonFC	Surprised CNN shows her attacker. Surprise, surprise....
[10:03]	DaemonFC	Democrat city, black guy attacking her. Notice any patterns here? It's never Indiana. It's never a white guy.
[10:03]	DaemonFC	It's always some Democrat city.
[10:03]	schestowitz-TR	you are always off topic
[10:03]	schestowitz-TR	take it to another channel
[10:04]	DaemonFC	Mr. GAFAM likes to live where people get it.
[10:04]	DaemonFC	A boot in the face for being Asian.
[10:05]	DaemonFC	Like San Francisco. Yet another reason to live there.... /sarcasm
[10:05]	matey	It's never Indiana. It's never a white guy. <- im sure you dont mean that white people never commit carjackings or hate crimes, because thats hilarious
[10:05]	DaemonFC	Why, everywhere else, we're just a bunch of hayseeds who need to be told (by him, naturally), what's right and wrong.
[10:07]	DaemonFC	<matey> It's never Indiana. It's never a white guy. <- im sure you dont mean that white people never commit carjackings or hate crimes, because thats hilarious
[10:07]	DaemonFC	Indiana was the last place to pass a hate crimes law, but.... There was also no pressing need for one as things like this rarely, if ever, happen in the entire state.
[10:07]	DaemonFC	The FBI statistics even show that.
[10:07]	matey	i get it 
[10:07]	TR News	"For years weve noted how the U.S. has consistently maintained a fairly pathetic speed definition of broadband at the behest of major monopolies" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/washington-state-bill-would-boost-definition-of-broadband-to-100-mbps/
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[10:07]	TR Bot	State Bill Would Boost Definition Of Broadband To 100 Mbps | Techdirt
[10:08]	matey	its the law you think is stupid
[10:08]	matey	laws usually are (more often than not)
[10:08]	matey	people judge them based on their intent more than their effects
[10:08]	DaemonFC	Well, the law already allowed for trebling as aggravating factors were present.
[10:09]	DaemonFC	It just wasn't a separate charge of hate crime.
[10:09]	matey	id love to see a study on the effects of hate crime legislation
[10:09]	DaemonFC	You just got a higher degree of that offense with more penalties every time the attack ticked another box.
[10:09]	TR News	The latest openwashing salad from IBM Red Hat https://opensource.com/open-organization/22/3/open-history-human-progress
[10:09]	TR Bot	exchange, open doors, open minds: A recipe for global progress | Opensource.com
[10:10]	DaemonFC	Now, with the reform, I wouldn't be surprised if the police charge Hate Crime less than the multiple aggravations of assault and battery or forcible rape or something.
[10:10]	DaemonFC	Because before, they had no choice in what to present the prosecution.
[10:10]	DaemonFC	Now they do.
[10:10]	DaemonFC	A hate crimes law that puts the cops in charge. Fantastic.
[10:11]	matey	laws typically do put the cops in charge
[10:11]	matey	its where a lot of the whole thing falls apart really
[10:11]	TR News	brent_renaud_killed_russia_ukraine_press
[10:11]	TR News	brent_renaud_killed_russia_ukraine_press
[10:11]	TR News	Dying to inform https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/14/brent_renaud_killed_russia_ukraine_press
[10:11]	TR Bot	 Brent Renaud, First U.S. Reporter Killed in Ukraine, Praised for His Humanity & Exposing Horrors of War | Democracy Now!
[10:12]	matey	people focus on the rules themselves for good reason
[10:12]	matey	but like, chess has rules
[10:12]	DaemonFC	Hate crime is kind of bullshit anyway.
[10:13]	matey	suppose you kept all the rules chess, right? but instead of tournament judges you brought the police in to handle everything
[10:13]	DaemonFC	Criminal: "I see I could go to prison for 20 years for raping you, but since as a Hate Crime it would add a year, I checked the law books, I have decided not to rape you. Carry on!"
[10:14]	matey	in the long run it would be better to just have every woman carry a deadly weapon
[10:14]	DaemonFC	That's what I've been saying.
[10:14]	matey	in the short run a lot of people think thats insane
[10:14]	matey	in the long run theyll understand
[10:14]	DaemonFC	Give each one of them a revolver and lessons and let nature run its course with the rapists.
[10:14]	TR News	"For a few years now, the Australian government has been seeking to outlaw online anonymity." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/australias-online-safety-commissioner-say-anti-trolling-bill-wont-protect-people-is-mostly-about-enabling-defamation-lawsuits/
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[10:14]	TR Bot	Online Safety Commissioner Say Anti-Trolling Bill Wont Protect People, Is Mostly About Enabling Defamation Lawsuits | Techdirt
[10:15]	matey	but think of the cops, the cant ALL become dare officers
[10:16]	DaemonFC	Yeah, remember when they would drive by your school in a sports car that cost $50,000 (in 1990!) and you'd ask where they got it.
[10:16]	DaemonFC	And they'd say "We took it from a drug dealer we arrested.".
[10:17]	matey	sounds legit
[10:17]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162556
[10:17]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[10:18]	matey	of course they got it at auction, anyone else has just as much claim to that vehicle as anyone else
[10:18]	matey	just like with cam footage
[10:18]	kingoffrance	 join either #boycottnovell-social  or #techpol   matey so i can tell you how chess changed with the times :D
[10:18]	matey	kingoffrance omg 
[10:18]	matey	hehe, do it
[10:19]	TR News	"Wars rage, countless humans suffer, the rich get richer, life goes on" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/14/life-goes-on-right/
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[10:19]	TR Bot	Goes on, Right? - CounterPunch.org
[10:19]	matey	/me hopes the police never ruin chess 
[10:19]	matey	i draw the line at sting doing a bad album with murray head
[10:19]	kingoffrance	i tried :D  "but like, chess has rules"  you'd be surprised.   i found the other day in a random filing cabinet from a thrift store..."chessmaster 4000 turbo" instruction book.  the queen was a counselor, but then virgin had to be powerful.  bishop was an elephant, somewhere else i read a church might've demanded "representation".   even says the horse was arabic -- medieval switched to knight.    so "horsie" is actually correct lol
[10:20]	kingoffrance	im sure there's more
[10:20]	matey	okay im pretty sure i remember chessmaster 3000
[10:20]	matey	and i dont think video game versions count, but maybe youre right
[10:21]	kingoffrance	i dont know, it must've been early, talks about human versus computer, all the trials ...
[10:21]	kingoffrance	i mean the name they were trying to say they were the most advanced at the time or whatever
[10:22]	kingoffrance	"early" as in i dont know anything, but guessing modern engines are more powerful
[10:22]	matey	i think the dos-based chess games were more flash than raw game power
[10:22]	matey	but im no expert
[10:22]	kingoffrance	the queen surprised me...counsellor was weak
[10:22]	matey	my interest in chess is barely academic, let alone practical
[10:23]	matey	over the years ive been more interested in dos than chess
[10:23]	kingoffrance	i was going to ask (nothing personal) what kind of stuff you are into?  software? gaming? programming?  web stuff ? sysadmin?
[10:23]	TR News	"About the only positive thing you can say about famed play/movie writer David Mamet deciding to file an amicus brief in support of Texas in that states appeal of a district court correctly tossing the states social media content moderation bill as unconstitutional is" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/fucking-hell-david-mamet-files-the-most-pointless-silly-amicus-brief-in-texas-content-moderation-appeal/
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[10:23]	TR Bot	Hell: David Mamet Files The Most Pointless, Silly Amicus Brief In Texas Content Moderation Appeal | Techdirt
[10:24]	matey	technically software
[10:24]	matey	but the fsf doesnt get hardware (within reason)
[10:24]	matey	it needs to hear the hardware people, but that will destroy ryf (good riddance)
[10:24]	matey	ryf was a good idea
[10:24]	TR News	Imagine a US president caring about health and environment as much as he cares about sending weapons to other countries
[10:24]	matey	im not a hardware person. im a software person that understands how important hardware is
[10:25]	matey	and its only going to become more important. and not "ten years from now" which rms literally said the other day
[10:25]	matey	okay literally it was a couple weeks ago, but literally he said "ten years from now"
[10:25]	schestowitz-TR	hardware has lots of software in it these days
[10:25]	schestowitz-TR	that cannot be ignored
[10:25]	schestowitz-TR	also in the context of software patents
[10:26]	schestowitz-TR	it has long been used as a Trojan horse
[10:26]	matey	the thing is, the fsfs entire picture is based on a caricature of years ago, neither the present nor reality
[10:26]	matey	its a self-serving caricature that props up decisions they made long ago
[10:27]	matey	its not even the biggest problem they have. just one of many that wont go away with make believe
[10:27]	matey	or marketing, which is pretty close
[10:28]	TR News	"This idea is closely linked to modernisation theory, which was popularised as part of American post-WWII rhetoric." Subtler form of racism or elitism or supremacist ideology. https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/14/re-thinking-the-idea-of-developing-countries/
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[10:28]	TR Bot	the Idea of "Developing Countries" - CounterPunch.org
[10:31]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2022/03/14/1086390817/new-york-d-c-police-open-joint-investigation-into-recent-shootings-of-homeless-m
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[10:31]	TR Bot	 NYC, D.C. mayors urge homeless to seek shelter after shootings : NPR
[10:31]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: FFS!
[10:32]	schestowitz-TR	GTFO or move to another channel
[10:32]	schestowitz-TR	stop interjecting this stuff here
[10:32]	schestowitz-TR	if you want to start cancel culture keg-powder, do it in another network 
[10:32]	schestowitz-TR	that's not helping us
[10:33]	DaemonFC	Most people gain absolutely nothing from living in a large city. 
[10:33]	matey	the point of cancel culture is to get people to self-censor
[10:33]	DaemonFC	Stallman tries to promote it as a cure all for climate change.
[10:33]	schestowitz-TR	this is a channel on tech
[10:33]	matey	initially, like with stallman, its to censor directly
[10:33]	schestowitz-TR	and civil rights related to that
[10:34]	matey	but thats not sustainable. the transition to self-censorship is required
[10:34]	schestowitz-TR	it's not a place to start demonising black americans
[10:34]	schestowitz-TR	which is what DaemonFC is trying to do
[10:34]	matey	im not sure where his obsession with minorities comes from
[10:34]	DaemonFC	I was pointing out that two more Democrat paradises have a serial killer running around murdering homeless people.
[10:34]	schestowitz-TR	it doesn't matter
[10:34]	schestowitz-TR	it's off topic
[10:34]	DaemonFC	On top of all the other "reasons to live there".
[10:34]	schestowitz-TR	and it gives ammo to people who try to demonise us
[10:35]	DaemonFC	Stallman doesn't "get it" That there's no gain to be had by living in a city. You get depression, high taxes, and crime.
[10:35]	matey	its the second complaint i was addressing
[10:35]	DaemonFC	Can't even leave your house in broad daylight.
[10:35]	matey	kowtowing to the cancel brigades wont protect you
[10:35]	matey	the off topic complaint i have no quarrel with
[10:36]	schestowitz-TR	we have many channel;s
[10:36]	schestowitz-TR	he's already in some of them
[10:36]	schestowitz-TR	but he wants more audience
[10:36]	schestowitz-TR	for the scapegoating
[10:36]	matey	im still not sure what his objective is
[10:36]	DaemonFC	South Chicago was just eery.
[10:36]	matey	some of his critiques of law are reasonable. i dont share his views on minorities
[10:36]	DaemonFC	THey build parks, there should be kids playing there. There's no kids playing there. It's because their parents know what will happen to them there.
[10:37]	matey	Stallman doesn't "get it" That there's no gain to be had by living in a city. You get depression, high taxes, and crime. <- im not sure this sums up a city
[10:37]	matey	in the past, many people loved living in a city (others still do)
[10:37]	DaemonFC	Once you get past a certain size of city, 20,000-30,000 people or so, violent crime starts rising exponentially.
[10:37]	matey	im not sure stallmans opinions on where to live arent deeply affected by his tendency to travel all over the world
[10:38]	DaemonFC	There's also more people like John or Mr. GULAG living there for the anonymity while they carry out their perversions.
[10:38]	matey	on the one hand it should give more perspective. on the other hand, hes not "stuck" anywhere per se
[10:38]	matey	when you can just piss off to south america like he does, its hard to say if he really understands boston. but he might.
[10:38]	matey	john?
[10:39]	DaemonFC	My ex. Big cities appeal to perverts and criminals because they figure there's anonymity.
[10:39]	DaemonFC	They can do what they want and then quickly fade back into the crowd.
[10:40]	DaemonFC	Of course, it's not entirely true (lots of cameras, for example).
[10:40]	matey	i think rurals have their share of perverts and criminals as well though
[10:40]	DaemonFC	Ironically, you have perverts and criminals moving to a big city with lots of surveillance to become anonymous.
[10:40]	matey	that is ironic
[10:40]	matey	it may even say a lot about surveillance
[10:41]	matey	the uk has cameras up every arse, the obvious result being that crime has ended
[10:41]	matey	so we know it works
[10:41]	DaemonFC	It works sometimes in Chicago.
[10:41]	matey	how often
[10:41]	DaemonFC	Those license plate readers are catching some for now.
[10:42]	matey	should be illegal, its not constitutional to track everyone that way
[10:42]	DaemonFC	They're always recording though.
[10:42]	DaemonFC	They've caught people due to recordings that the plate readers made and saved that were not in a car.
[10:42]	matey	its not constitutional in britain either, at least not when they were part of the eu
[10:42]	DaemonFC	So we know they're just cameras that ALSO record plate numbers.
[10:42]	matey	sneaky
[10:43]	matey	the thing about constituions is that theyre a formal list of things the government isnt allowed to do but they do anyway
[10:43]	DaemonFC	Well, they say it's fine because the license plate scanners can't see anything a cop couldn't.
[10:44]	matey	it still works sometimes, pocock gets to keep his url.
[10:44]	DaemonFC	If a cop was a computer that could just sit there all day and process every single plate that went by.
[10:44]	matey	Well, they say it's fine because the license plate scanners can't see anything a cop couldn't. <- nothing beats constitutional protection like a straw man!
[10:44]	matey	scalia was a genius that way
[10:45]	matey	he went about the constitution like a baptist preacher goes about the bible
[10:45]	kingoffrance	^^^^^^^^ he literally was full "formalism"
[10:45]	matey	really literally and really stupidly, and in a way that was difficult enough for people to argue with unless they had any sense
[10:46]	matey	"the letter of the law killeth" said mother theresa, and scalia enjoyed stabbing the constitution to bits
[10:46]	DaemonFC	Grindr doesn't work for people like John in smaller cities. Because you see the same people on it all the time.
[10:46]	DaemonFC	And you probably know a lot of them.
[10:46]	DaemonFC	Looking back, I'm almost certain that's why he insisted on moving to Chicago.
[10:47]	matey	like bill gates with "what do you mean by 'abridging'"
[10:47]	matey	scrutinise each individual word until the text loses all meaning
[10:47]	matey	also put the text on the "meaningless until proven to have meaning" footing
[10:47]	matey	"how can we be sure they meant that!"
[10:48]	matey	historians might know, but their testimony doesnt count, all we have is the words before us
[10:48]	matey	 Grindr doesn't work for people like John in smaller cities. Because you see the same people on it all the time. <- sounds like it would chafe
[10:49]	matey	you cant make it expand to larger areas?
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[10:49]	matey	"i wonder what the scene is like in aurora"
[10:49]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/14/1086345393/strokes-young-people-hailey-bieber
[10:49]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/14/1086345393/strokes-young-people-hailey-bieber
[10:49]	TR Bot	 What you need to know about strokes and young people : Shots - Health News : NPR
[10:49]	DaemonFC	"More young people are having strokes"
[10:50]	DaemonFC	Lots of articles like this lately.
[10:50]	DaemonFC	I wonder if it has something to do with the COVID shots.
[10:50]	TR News	Links 15/3/2022: Debian 12 Schedule and Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/debian-12-schedule/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/debian-12-schedule/
[10:50]	TR Bot	 Links 15/3/2022: Debian 12 Schedule and Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter | Techrights
[10:50]	TR News	Proprietary, Fake Security, and Openwashing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162557
[10:50]	TR Bot	 Proprietary, Fake Security, and Openwashing | Tux Machines
[10:51]	TR News	Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162558
[10:51]	TR Bot	 Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines
[10:51]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162559
[10:51]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[10:52]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162560
[10:52]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[10:52]	matey	either way you cant read it without javascript
[10:53]	matey	you just get a form telling you that npr cares about things its legally required to care about, almost as if to say "thats why we are forcing you to use a browser with js enabled"
[10:54]	matey	which isnt true, but thats npr
[10:57]	matey	stay classy people magazine
[10:57]	DaemonFC	https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/ubuntu-22-04-release-features
[10:57]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.04 Release Date & New Features - OMG! Ubuntu!
[10:57]	matey	people.com/health/justin-bieber-is-probably-more-traumatized-than-hailey-bieber
[10:57]	matey	their take on it
[10:57]	matey	its probably true
[10:58]	DaemonFC	Ubuntu is back to hacking together a variant of GNOME from mismatching pieces.
[10:58]	DaemonFC	I'm sure that goes well.
[10:58]	matey	funny how close that is to what my guess the story would be about
[10:58]	matey	"ubuntu: it still sucks"
[10:58]	matey	gnome, now with more features for cancelling people
[10:59]	matey	i predict that in the next few years, the fsf (or libreplanet) will offer a new tool similar to libre.js
● Mar 15
[11:00]	matey	but instead of using it to complain to website owners about non-free javascript, it will simply report peoples tweets and emails to their boss with "one-click" convenience
[11:00]	matey	which probably already exists, the novelty being that the fsf endorses it.
[11:00]	matey	the riaa had a form for this in the days of the napster inquisition
[11:01]	matey	if your children were using napster without you being aware, and you got one of their demands to settle for $10,000
[11:01]	matey	they would offer you a form so you could implicate your children instead
[11:01]	matey	im not sure what thats supposed to do, other than provide evidence that you agree with the position of the complainant?
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[11:02]	matey	is there a lesser fee demanded then?
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[11:03]	DaemonFC	It's better to never talk to the other side without your attorney.
[11:04]	matey	exactly
[11:04]	DaemonFC	People who blamed their kids were admitting that their internet connection was used to share MP3s.
[11:04]	matey	and for what its worth, that was actually a "small clot with stroke-like symptoms"
[11:04]	DaemonFC	They're responsible for what their children do.
[11:05]	XRevan86	riadne shared https://nitter.eu/oneunderscore__/status/1503434867614228480 , and I had no idea that Russian propaganda took this idea from conspirologists.
[11:05]	TR Bot	 Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__): "Quick thread: I spent the last week figuring how the American far-right became obsessed with "Ukranian biolabs." I learned two things: 1 The right really is warming back up to Putin. 2 The origins of this specific conspiracy theory are dumber than youd ever imagine." | nitter
[11:05]	XRevan86	I was wondering how they're managing to produce so much bonkers nonsense. Turns out, they're appropriating other's work.
[11:06]	matey	"i still dont understand what the theory is
[11:07]	XRevan86	Putin's propaganda has been using that tactic for many years, but it never occured to me that they're doing this even when making international claims.
[11:07]	matey	its a fact that labs exist. it seems likely that some produce at least research into bioweapons
[11:07]	matey	whats the conspiracy theory?
[11:08]	XRevan86	"it seems likely that some produce at least research into bioweapons" <- I think ye're imagining some kind of top-notch mega facility.
[11:08]	matey	not at all
[11:08]	matey	a fridge and some test tubes and some people in white coats
[11:09]	matey	maybe even an office building
[11:09]	XRevan86	https://youtu.be/LKSTmcvEdoU even this is a biolab
[11:09]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LKSTmcvEdoU
[11:09]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | How one British laboratory protects the world's chocolate - Invidious
[11:09]	matey	anything down to and not including a meth lab.
[11:09]	matey	at least one guard outside. at most times. hopefully.
[11:09]	XRevan86	matey: Why would there be anything even close to research into bioweapons? In Ukraine of all places.
[11:10]	matey	oh, in ukraine? hehehehe
[11:10]	matey	is that the theory? 
[11:10]	matey	i meant like in china
[11:10]	XRevan86	matey: Oh, ye misunderstood the whole premise, now it makes sense :)
[11:10]	matey	openly-- i didnt know the premise, i was curious
[11:10]	matey	i expect global superpowers to work on such things
[11:11]	matey	maybe ukraine has a hobby, but they cant even refine their own gas reserves you know? seems kind of ambitious
[11:11]	XRevan86	matey: Boy ye're in for a treat.
[11:11]	XRevan86	https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/russia-biological-weapon-claim-us-un-ukraine-bio-labs-explainer
[11:11]	TR Bot	 What are Russias biological weapons claims and whats actually happening? | United Nations | The Guardian
[11:11]	matey	like that kid who built a reactor out of smoke detectors
[11:11]	matey	pfft, everyone knows ukraine is the world leader in biological weapons
[11:12]	matey	thats why im surprised they didnt take over the eu sooner
[11:12]	XRevan86	matey: Also in nuclear weapon development
[11:12]	matey	the president of ukraine developers all of this from his secret lair in the middle of a volcaynoo
[11:12]	XRevan86	It's practically a super-power.
[11:13]	matey	the big secret to the success of ukraines nuclear weapons programme is they figured out how to detonate radioactive isotypes using UNREFINED natural gas reserves
[11:14]	matey	because they arent technically equipped to refine natural gas. but plutonium? piece of (yellow) cake!
[11:15]	XRevan86	matey: Maybe ctivelow can explain to us exactly how they're doing that :)
[11:15]	XRevan86	He's the local expert.
[11:15]	matey	if i wanted to pick on him, id joke about using gpus as high-speed switches
[11:16]	matey	but honestly what he says about gnu/linux is interesting
[11:16]	matey	his politics... 
[11:16]	matey	hes clearly to the right of daemonfc
[11:16]	matey	im not sure where daemonfc actually is, but i know that no matter what, activelow is clearly to the right of him
[11:17]	DaemonFC	<matey> im not sure where daemonfc actually is
[11:17]	DaemonFC	Sick of government, honestly.
[11:17]	matey	dont blame you for that
[11:17]	DaemonFC	They did absolutely nothing to stop or contain COVID-19 and now they pretend it's gone away entirely.
[11:18]	DaemonFC	Except that you "need more shots".
[11:18]	matey	if they want to increase voter registration, all they have to do is put "no government" on the ballot
[11:18]	XRevan86	matey: When I classify someone as mentally ill I stop at attempting to dig further.
[11:18]	DaemonFC	And that's going on in the US, UK, and Germany.
[11:18]	matey	it doesnt work that way, except rhetorically of course
[11:18]	DaemonFC	So it may be one thing that schestowitz-TR and activelow agree with me about.
[11:18]	matey	it does SORT of work that way, just not through that process exactly
[11:19]	DaemonFC	But 20 years ago I was smart enough to say "Why are these assholes in charge of anything. It's clear they don't know what they're doing and they're corrupt.".
[11:19]	matey	<XRevan86> matey: When I classify someone as mentally ill I stop at attempting to dig further. <- luxury
[11:19]	matey	i start from the point of view that everyone is insane, because it explains everything
[11:20]	matey	"Why are these assholes in charge of anything. It's clear they don't know what they're doing and they're corrupt.". <- thats why theyre in charge
[11:20]	XRevan86	matey: Not really, let's just say my bar is very low, and even then he managed to not pass.
[11:21]	matey	im not sure youre being fair though. what if hes some kind of nazi savant?
[11:21]	matey	okay maybe "unfair" is the wrong word. inaccurate?
[11:23]	matey	what i really mean is that whatever explains him may not be fair to call mental illness in others, even if it is in one instance
[11:23]	XRevan86	matey: His counterproductive endeavours are respected by some and politics are a complicated topic, so instead just look at what he's writing about (human speech) languages.
[11:23]	matey	do you have a rough example? if not, ill just watch for what youre talking about.
[11:24]	XRevan86	No one in their right mind would come to conclusions like that, and he's got a lot of them.
[11:24]	matey	mmhmm
[11:24]	matey	i pay more attention to his "counterproductive endeavours" which im not certain are entirely
[11:24]	matey	some of the decisions hes made are counterproductive without question
[11:24]	matey	i wish more people paid attention to the level of dependency hell thats being created
[11:25]	matey	and where that might be going
[11:25]	matey	also wish he published his work so we could be sure he isnt making it up
[11:25]	XRevan86	matey: That's why they're respected. But I can guarantee his efforts are going nowhere.
[11:25]	matey	instead, the only way to verify his experiments is to recreate them from scratch
[11:26]	matey	But I can guarantee his efforts are going nowhere. <- i think most if not all people admiring his work (if its not a farce) probably already realise that
[11:26]	DaemonFC	Line up for Russian shot. Is good. Make you smart like bear.
[11:26]	matey	hes not creating a product, hes not publishing research
[11:26]	DaemonFC	Nothing bad ever happen from Russian injection.
[11:26]	matey	hes either going to the ends of the earth for something only he can make proper use of
[11:26]	matey	or he wants us to think he is
[11:28]	XRevan86	matey: Regarding languages, if ye have the history, look up words "chaos" and "slime".
[11:28]	matey	i dont, but i will at some point
[11:28]	matey	ill be sure to check on those, cheers
[11:29]	XRevan86	That'll lead to the last discussion on the topic when he made quite a bunch of peculiar statements.
[11:30]	matey	maybe "inaccurate" was the wrong word too.
[11:31]	XRevan86	matey: The best part was probably that "Titan" comes from the word "tit", related to "the origin of the universe, melked from a cows tit, the Audhumbla, or Goat Heidrun" (I wish Conversations had better search functionality).
[11:33]	matey	"clash of the tits" has surely already been used in a context that cant be posted here
[11:33]	XRevan86	matey: It's too bizarre to paraphrase, and search sucks.
[11:33]	matey	im no longer sceptical of what youre saying anyway. maybe youre right and maybe youre wrong, but im convinced you most likely have a point.
[11:37]	matey	/me looks it up
[11:37]	matey	Audhumla is the divine cow whose milk made up the four rivers that nourished Ymir. She sustained herself by licking the salty ice. Audhumla existed in Ginnungagap before the begining of the world, and was the first creature. She was born from the mists created when the warm winds of the south warmed the northern ice fields.
[11:37]	matey	but its the etymological argument you take issue with, yes?
[11:37]	XRevan86	matey: Naturally. All his etymologies are completely fictitious and German.
[11:38]	XRevan86	For some reason people like him always trace everything to their home language.
[11:38]	matey	nationalistic self-serving pro-german ancient symbolism
[11:38]	matey	and probably not for the first time in history...
[11:39]	XRevan86	If he were Russian, he'd be tracing everything to Russian.
[11:39]	matey	of course
[11:39]	XRevan86	I certainly know of quite a bunch of people like him.
[11:39]	matey	there are no false friends, only foreign enemies
[11:39]	matey	im sorry to hear youve been collecting them
[11:40]	XRevan86	I personally know only one.
[11:41]	matey	but all this begs the question
[11:41]	matey	is nationalism really a mental illness per se, or just REALLY stupid politics?
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[11:42]	XRevan86	matey: "Nationalism" is a very broad term, and I don't think I can brush all of it under the same umbrella judgement.
[11:42]	matey	at least youre setting a good example
[11:43]	matey	i dont think we should necessarily be as broad as that either
[11:43]	matey	i mean i dont think theres any problem at all if someone is for example, proud to be from france, or even a particular region within it
[11:44]	matey	unless every political decision they ever make is in service of this fact solely, which is how it works for a bunch of people
[11:44]	kingoffrance	im sure someone has a fertile croissant theory
[11:44]	matey	when your croissants become fertile its time to throw them away and get new ones
[11:45]	XRevan86	matey: "Stupid politics" of the kind ye have in mind are called "populism" by the way :)
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[11:45]	XRevan86	Very often nationalist in nature, albeit not completely necessarily.
[11:46]	matey	XRevan86: we just agreed that nationalism is too broad a term, and now you give me a broader one
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[11:46]	matey	though the combination of nationalism and populism would be smaller
[11:46]	XRevan86	matey: Well it is broad, but it encompasses everything that is wrong with public politics.
[11:47]	XRevan86	Right.
[11:47]	matey	i like the anti-elitist parts
[11:47]	matey	its just that populism is known to suck really hard at being anti-elitist
[11:48]	matey	because it sucks really hard at figuring out where the elitism is
[11:48]	XRevan86	Populism is practically by definition bad at actually delivering the solution for the root problem.
[11:48]	matey	its like when medicine skipped diagnosis mostly and just went for the jar of leeches
[11:48]	matey	"what the hell, it cant hurt"
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[11:49]	matey	Populism is practically by definition bad at actually delivering the solution for the root problem. <- the whole idea of scapegoating is to get the cause wrong, while thinking its right
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[11:50]	matey	and if youre german and nationlist, its not too hard to figure out that the problem is all other countries
[11:50]	matey	and thatll help
[11:53]	matey	"mr garrison, every year you tell us to get rid of all the mexicans, and every year we tell you 'no'."
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[11:54]	XRevan86	In disappointed in some people I know that actually believed the biolab conspiracy, just because they were not willing to admit to themselves that the state of affairs in the Russian government is that bad.
[11:55]	matey	the attachment some people have to the wrong idea would be nothing short of heroic, if it werent based on sheer cowardice
[11:58]	matey	im impressed that the russian propaganda is so bad that russian journalists are recreating scenes from daemonfcs favourite sci-fi (which im a fan of as well)
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● Mar 15
[12:00]	XRevan86	matey: Which scene?
[12:00]	matey	wow, babylon 5 is coming back in 2023, but without mira furlan its only going to be babylon 4 1/2
[12:00]	XRevan86	I'm not exactly a fan of Star Trek, but I've seen a lot of it :)
[12:00]	matey	shes far from the only actor gone
[12:01]	XRevan86	Babylon 5 is being rebooted
[12:01]	matey	yes
[12:01]	XRevan86	Is some of the cast coming back?
[12:01]	matey	theyre almost all dead
[12:01]	XRevan86	Makes sense.
[12:01]	matey	lando, garibaldi, delenn
[12:01]	matey	i was heartbroken about mira furlan
[12:02]	matey	shes more amazing than anyone from star trek
[12:02]	matey	croatian i think
[12:02]	XRevan86	I really-really like the Season 1 cast.
[12:02]	matey	yeah but the acting on season 1 was as stiff as a new pair of boots
[12:03]	matey	still if this is about the captain, i think we all agree
[12:03]	XRevan86	True, I said it like that because Sinclair > Sheridan
[12:03]	matey	of course 
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[12:03]	matey	i mean i actually watched scarecrow and mrs king when it was on
[12:03]	matey	sheridan was one of the main characters
[12:03]	matey	they brought him on because they had to, not because it was ideal
[12:04]	matey	i didnt think he was crap though
[12:04]	XRevan86	He is adequate.
[12:04]	XRevan86	But Michael O'Hare was perfect.
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[12:04]	matey	no argument there
[12:04]	matey	but to answer your question, when the isn studio was being stormed by troops
[12:05]	matey	one of the top guys on the team came to the camera with a microphone to explain that theyd been forced to lie for some time
[12:05]	matey	then there were ROCKS! (junkball reference) and you know the rest
[12:06]	matey	im pretty sure the ROCKS were actually pieces of studio, but close enough
[12:07]	matey	there used to be more clips of b5 on youtube
[12:07]	XRevan86	matey: Sounds like Season 4
[12:08]	matey	i used to own the first 5 seasons but im pretty sure i watched the scene on youtube as well
[12:08]	matey	yeah it does, im sure i can find the episode
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[12:13]	DaemonFC	CNN: The world is being bombed to shit while inflation is through the roof.
[12:13]	DaemonFC	Here's a pizza oven you can buy on Amazon!
[12:15]	matey	XRevan86 season 3, episode 10
[12:15]	matey	The news network ISN, which has avoided broadcasting material critical of Clark, reports that the Proxima III and Orion VII colonies have seceded from the Earth Alliance. The television station is raided by Earth Alliance forces, terminating their broadcast. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severed_Dreams
[12:15]	TR Bot	 Severed Dreams - Wikipedia
[12:16]	activelow	XRevan86: "Crimea's existence violating the Budapest Memorandum is a new take to me" -> WRONG. It is the military installations with nuclear capabilities and carriers which potentially violates the Budapest memorandum.
[12:17]	activelow	furthermore, i raise questions about the interference of Westinghouse Electric (fiddling with nuclear facilities), ExxonMobile, Burisma in Ukraine
[12:17]	XRevan86	activelow: Except it's a Putin *assumption* that Ukraine would've changed anything regarding that.
[12:17]	XRevan86	"oh no, yet another revolution, this time they'll for sure screw up our fleet"
[12:18]	matey	im not clear on whether activelow denies the right of ukraine to invite ExxonMobile there (instead of a russian contractor)
[12:19]	matey	im certainly not saying this as an exxon fan
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[12:29]	DaemonFC	JMS is Russian.
[12:29]	DaemonFC	It stands to reason he modeled the whole takeover of Earth by Clark and Propaganda ISN after the sort of things that happened in the Soviet Union.
[12:30]	DaemonFC	Babylon 5 wouldn't have survived another round of fighting had the Minbari not showed up with Delenn at the end of that episode.
[12:30]	matey	theres no question
[12:30]	DaemonFC	The first wave of the attack took out one of the two EAS destroyers that had defected and badly damaged the station.
[12:31]	matey	ive watched it a few times
[12:31]	matey	the episode i was talking about won a hugo, beating out star trek first contact in the same category
[12:31]	DaemonFC	Clark's plan probably figured on this. The first wave goes in and softens them up and the next wave captures or destroys them.
[12:32]	DaemonFC	But the interesting thing is that he was in cahoots with the Shadows.
[12:32]	DaemonFC	So why not have them take care of B5 at this point?
[12:32]	matey	if more people read about the rise of stalin they might think twice about repeating a number of the same mistakes
[12:32]	matey	the shadows (and the vorlons) prefer to work quietly and through other people
[12:32]	DaemonFC	It's established that the Shadows are aware of the White Stars and they are also aware that B4 went back in time 1,000 years.
[12:33]	matey	they dont do war when they can do proxy war
[12:33]	DaemonFC	They really should be more apprehensive of the Minbari and B5 and take immediate action to eliminate it.
[12:33]	matey	theres another important thing to point out
[12:33]	matey	which is that i always thought trek plotlines were pretty tight
[12:33]	DaemonFC	Well, Londo kept calling on the Shadows and they practically won the Centauri war against the Narn.
[12:33]	matey	until i found people really good at ripping apart plotholes
[12:34]	DaemonFC	That would have gone on forever with inconclusive results without Shadow intervention.
[12:34]	matey	my favourite trek ship cant even dock! (but it does anyway)
[12:34]	matey	oh i didnt say they wont intervene
[12:34]	DaemonFC	The Narn seemed to be at least as technologically developed as the Centauri and with about as large of a military.
[12:34]	matey	just that they prefer war THROUGH younger races
[12:34]	matey	the volons too
[12:35]	matey	vorlons-- the whole point of the younger races (for them) was to win their war for them
[12:35]	DaemonFC	At the end, the Shadows and Vorlons were going to have an all out direct confrontation.
[12:35]	DaemonFC	Until one of them was completely destroyed.
[12:35]	matey	which is an old trope: the old send the young to die for their wars
[12:35]	matey	yeah with the planet destroyers 
[12:36]	DaemonFC	Would it not have been easier to sit back and watch them kick each other's asses and then move in to mop up what was left?
[12:36]	matey	they got impatient.
[12:36]	DaemonFC	It was a big risk to move in with most of both fleets intact.
[12:36]	matey	its really that simple
[12:36]	matey	you cant even blame jms for it, as its a theme in real wars
[12:37]	DaemonFC	The White Stars could have probably finished off whatever was left of whichever side "won".
[12:37]	DaemonFC	Because "winning" would still mean losing the majority of their fleet.
[12:37]	matey	you think they could have fought the vorlons?
[12:37]	DaemonFC	They were successful in destroying that listening outpost.
[12:38]	DaemonFC	Plus, they still had nuclear weapons hidden in the asteroid field.
[12:38]	matey	as i recall, the turning point was when ivanova started recruited older races
[12:38]	matey	because they had better ships and knowledge of the vorlons and shadows
[12:38]	DaemonFC	It turned out later on that Clark had indeed managed to get his hands on advanced Shadow tech.
[12:39]	DaemonFC	Probably from the dig on Mars.
[12:39]	matey	right
[12:39]	matey	i love the show more than almost any other, but im not sure where youre going with this
[12:39]	DaemonFC	The White Stars had to fight the Shadow-enhanced Omega destroyer fleet. Those were using beam weapons similar to the Shadows.
[12:40]	DaemonFC	They could destroy an enemy vessel with one hit, but it seemed like the tracking sensors were not Shadow-derived.
[12:40]	matey	i thought their beam weapons were more like the vorlon planet destroyer
[12:40]	DaemonFC	Because they can miss.
[12:40]	matey	and the shadows used telepaths for targeting
[12:41]	matey	which pissed off bester because they got his girlfriend
[12:41]	DaemonFC	It was the Psi Corps that handed her over.
[12:41]	DaemonFC	And modified her to where it's unlikely she would ever recover.
[12:41]	matey	and then she turned the medlab into a smart home
[12:42]	DaemonFC	Well, Sheridan slipped them onto the destroyers waiting at Mars. They integrate into the nearest computer system and they really fuck it up if it's not a Shadow system.
[12:42]	matey	i remember that
[12:45]	matey	The White Stars had to fight the Shadow-enhanced Omega destroyer fleet. Those were using beam weapons similar to the Shadows. <- i parsed this incorrectly the first time. got you now.
[12:45]	matey	i really wish i could watch all that again
[12:45]	matey	i no longer have a dvd player or the dvds
[12:45]	matey	and i dont do streaming
[12:46]	matey	given enough time i may pirate the whole series someday, but i dont do a lot of that either
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[13:02]	TR News	Librem 5 First Impression Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162561
[13:02]	TR Bot	 Librem 5 First Impression | Tux Machines
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[13:08]	TR News	Arch Linux turns 20: Small, simple, great documentation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162480#comment-33067
[13:08]	TR Bot	 BTW, its my birthday - Arch Linux becomes 20 years old today | Tux Machines
[13:08]	TR News	IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 165 is available for testing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162562
[13:08]	TR Bot	 IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 165 is available for testing | Tux Machines
[13:08]	TR News	Top 5 Best Simulation Games for Linux: Live Out Another Life Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162563
[13:08]	TR Bot	 Top 5 Best Simulation Games for Linux: Live Out Another Life | Tux Machines
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[13:11]	TR News	The C4C Linux Distro Rises from the Grave Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162564
[13:11]	TR Bot	 The C4C Linux Distro Rises from the Grave | Tux Machines
[13:13]	TR News	Solne: "Let me present you my latest project: home-impermanence, under this name is a reference to the NixOS community project impermanence. The name may not be obvious about what it is doing, let me explain." gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/openbsd-impermanence.gmi
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[13:14]	TR News	"I've since been a tech addict interested in coding and admin stuff. I embrace the KISS principle, i guess that's why i'm so excited about gemini." gemini://en.gmn.clttr.info/
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[13:16]	TR News	"I'll have to look into programming it (which was the main reason I was interested in it in the first place) and also check out some community-made games. Maybe the community will have figured out how to make more legitimately playable games." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2022-02-23.gmi
[13:18]	TR News	"Yes I have used SMS-based one time passwords historically on some sites but such setups are problematic and not much of a security improvement. Some argue they make things worse because the false sense of security stops people using higher quality passwords. Here are just a couple of articles that scratch the surface of this topic." gemini://ruario.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-03-09_MFA-involving-TOTP.gmi
[13:19]	TR News	"Valve has released the latest small update for the Steam Deck to fix up a couple of nuisances, a few of which were definitely annoying me." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/steam-deck-update-fixes-buying-games-for-some-touch-input-on-digital-keyboard-theme
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[13:19]	TR Bot	Deck update fixes buying games for some, touch input on 'Digital' keyboard theme | GamingOnLinux
[13:19]	TR News	"While they're now pretty late on it, Double Fine say that the Linux and macOS dedicated builds of Psychonauts 2 are still actually on the way." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/double-fine-say-psychonauts-2-for-linux-and-macos-still-coming
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[13:19]	TR Bot	Fine say Psychonauts 2 for Linux and macOS still coming | GamingOnLinux
[13:22]	TR News	News publishers furnish their details voluntarily, MIB claims in RTI Appeal https://internetfreedom.in/rule-18-it-rules-rti-appeal/
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[13:22]	TR Bot	 News publishers furnish their details voluntarily, MIB claims in RTI Appeal
[13:23]	TR News	Phoronix pushing Microsoft again, while other (actual) Linux sites rightly ignore this rubbish https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-CBL-Mariner-March-22 Larabel sold us out...
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[13:23]	TR Bot	CBL-Mariner Linux Distro Updated For March With Many Security Fixes - Phoronix
[13:23]	TR News	"We're nowhere close to even having Vulkan 1.0 working yet, there's no reason to get too excited about 1.1. It just means piles more test crashes for features we're claiming to support but don't. If we want to enable more tests, we can turn on the extensions for those features once we actually have them working." https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=a35e721162bb7dad087e75fd07fec08bc635dc96
[13:23]	TR Bot	 mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
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[13:26]	TR News	Red Hat (IBM) reduced to mindless clouds of buzzwords https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-4-pillars-success
[13:26]	TR Bot	 Digital transformation: 4 pillars for success | The Enterprisers Project
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[13:27]	DaemonFC	<matey> given enough time i may pirate the whole series someday, but i dont do a lot of that either
[13:27]	DaemonFC	HBO "remastered" it, but it didn't do a great job of it.
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[13:27]	TR News	This is the same IBM that was forcing staff to stop working from home and also forced staff working from home to get an experimental vaccine without proper clinical trials (in spite of complete lack of contact with colleagues) https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/hybrid-work-tips
[13:27]	TR Bot	 Hybrid work: 5 tips for a flexible future | The Enterprisers Project
[13:27]	DaemonFC	The live action shots were done up so they could be full HD later, but the studio cut the budget for CGI.
[13:28]	schestowitz-TR	don't say remastered
[13:28]	schestowitz-TR	remained
[13:28]	schestowitz-TR	IBM prefers "inclusive" words
[13:28]	schestowitz-TR	like reMAINed
[13:30]	SomeH4x0r	someone took down YouTube Vanced, but it will be forgotten in a few months when some fork replaces it. Instead of fucking trying to decentralize the development a bit.
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[13:31]	DaemonFC	NewPipe works.
[13:31]	DaemonFC	Google hasn't gone after them yet.
[13:32]	SomeH4x0r	"yet", but still #deletegithub or whatever
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[13:33]	SomeH4x0r	it does not matter where it is hosted though
[13:33]	SomeH4x0r	central entity needs to be killed
[13:34]	SomeH4x0r	it needs to be developed on multiple hostings, with commits fetched
[13:34]		*psydroid2 uses NewPipe on Android
[13:35]	TR News	IBM Red Hat pushing Microsoft's proprietary garbage while asking us to cancel GNU's founder https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/15/preview-clustering-support-jboss-eap-azure-app-service see http://techrights.org/2021/11/24/fedora-slaves-at-microsoft/
[13:35]	TR Bot	 Preview: Clustering support for JBoss EAP on Azure App Service | Red Hat Developer
[13:35]	TR Bot	 3.5 Years Later the Master of Fedora is Still Microsoft and IBM Cannot Be Bothered to Alter Git Branch Names (Refuting or Ignoring Its Very Own Directive About Supposedly Racially-Insensitive Terms) | Techrights
[13:37]	TR News	Congrats on becoming slave of IBM https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/ibm-power-champion-2022/ a nukes company http://techrights.org/2020/08/07/ibm-atomic-bombs/
[13:37]	TR Bot	 I'm an IBM Power Champion for 2022 | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik
[13:37]	TR Bot	 IBM and the Bomb: Series Index (on 75th Anniversary of Atomic Bombs Being Dropped on Civilians) | Techrights
[13:37]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I'd probably just use Ubuntu except I dislike the thought of them promoting WSL and having Microsoft's logo on their front page.
[13:38]	DaemonFC	Almost nobody uses WSL. To the point that their WSL revenue is probably Microsoft slipping them payments just to promote it.
[13:38]	DaemonFC	Which would otherwise be a business loss.
[13:38]	TR News	"Between 2022-03-08 and 2022-03-15 there were 30 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 280 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 10.7 % of total released titles" https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-03-15-edition/
[13:38]	TR Bot	 New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-03-15 Edition - Boiling Steam
[13:39]	DaemonFC	Almost all "Windows" games, in fact, work with Proton.
[13:39]	DaemonFC	"Windows" games are designed to use the Windows ABI and APIs, and Proton supports most of it that matters to games.
[13:39]	TR News	"Recent reports indicate that over 1.2 million active Linux users are currently utilizing the gaming platform Steam, and the numbers are continuing to grow." https://linuxbuz.com/best-resources/whats-the-state-of-play-with-linux-online-poker-rooms
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[13:39]	TR Bot	The State of Play With Linux Online Poker Rooms - LinuxBuz
[13:40]	DaemonFC	Since there's not enough of a "drag" to provide these anymore to really matter, it all comes down to why you would even bother with Windows.
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[13:40]	TR News	[Update] Apex Legends Is Borked Again On Steam Deck & Linux https://fossbytes.com/apex-legends-is-borked-again-on-steam-deck-and-linux/
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[13:40]	TR Bot	 [Update] Apex Legends Is Borked Again On Steam Deck & Linux
[13:40]	DaemonFC	For the viruses, maybe.
[13:41]	DaemonFC	Windows blogs don't like to use the term "virus" anymore.
[13:41]	DaemonFC	You almost never see it.
[13:41]	DaemonFC	It's always "ransomware" now, even when that's not exactly what it does.
[13:42]	DaemonFC	A "virus" is a self-replicating program that is intended to cause harm.
[13:42]	DaemonFC	So it's best to use that if you need a generic term for such a program.
[13:42]	TR News	"Please join us at the next regular Open NeuroFedora team meeting on Monday 28 March at 1300 UTC The meeting is a public meeting, and open for everyone to attend." They owned to rebase on a distro not controlled by evil, malicious IBM. https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2022/03/15/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-28-march-1300-utc.html http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM
[13:42]	TR Bot	 Next Open NeuroFedora meeting: 28 March 1300 UTC | NeuroFedora: Blog
[13:42]	TR Bot	 IBM - Techrights
[13:42]	DaemonFC	"Ransomware" is designed to change th conversation from how the virus spreads to one particular thing it may do when it runs.
[13:43]	SomeH4x0r	ransomware might be spread by humans
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[13:43]	TR News	"Every quarter, the team together with CentOS and Fedora community representatives, choose initiatives to work on"... No, CentOS is NOT a community and Fedora is no longer a community. All the slaves there have escaped IBM's grip and aren't involved anymore. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-quarterly-update-q4-2021/
[13:43]	TR Bot	 CPE Quarterly Update Q4 2021 Fedora Community Blog
[13:45]	TR News	Intel CPUs are such an utter pile of garbage that they cannot just sell them, they want to keep modifying them on live machines. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220315010300.10199-1-cathy.zhang@intel.com/
[13:45]	TR Bot	 [RFC PATCH v2 00/10] Support microcode updates affecting SGX - Cathy Zhang
[13:45]	TR News	Doom ported to Raspberry Pi RP2040 - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/15/doom-ported-to-raspberry-pi-rp2040/
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[13:45]	TR Bot	 Doom ported to Raspberry Pi RP2040 - CNX Software
[13:46]	DaemonFC	Remember Conficker? That was a really bad one.
[13:46]	DaemonFC	It had dozens of ways of spreading on Windows.
[13:46]	TR News	Ingo Molnar: "This is -v3 of the "Fast Kernel Headers" tree, which is an ongoing rework of the Linux kernel's header hierarchy & header dependencies" https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YjBr10JXLGHfEFfi@gmail.com/
[13:46]	TR Bot	 [TREE] "Fast Kernel Headers" Tree -v3 - Ingo Molnar
[13:46]	DaemonFC	But it never used more than a few at once.
[13:46]	DaemonFC	They'd patch something and it would update itself and start using something else.
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[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	SomeH4x0r: yes, all those app stores were always a risk
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	and some challenged them
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	FSF warned about them early
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	in apple's case they shut the door
[13:48]	schestowitz-TR	and if you work around it they imply you do something illega
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR	hence, people coined "jailbreak"
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR	and apple refers to installing something on your device as "sideloading"
[13:49]	DaemonFC	That's what Microsoft calls it too, in the context of an AppX package.
[13:50]	DaemonFC	But increasingly, anything from outside their store.
[13:50]	DaemonFC	Due to the history of Windows, they are making incremental changes to make installing software yourself feel "wrong".
[13:50]	DaemonFC	Not cutting it all off at once,.
[13:50]	schestowitz-TR	MSI/EXE
[13:50]	schestowitz-TR	not safe either
[13:50]	schestowitz-TR	random binaries
[13:50]	schestowitz-TR	then again, WIndows itself is not safe
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	the whole "ecosystem" is one massive clusterfuck
[13:51]	DaemonFC	That's been how it goes.
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	the "Security" or "antivirus" software is just as dodgy as what it claims to be tackling
[13:51]	DaemonFC	Microsoft doesn't know what's malware and what isn't so now it just attacks Nullsoft installers at random.
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	debian lets me add "stores"
[13:51]	schestowitz-TR	and has a base "trusted" one
[13:52]	schestowitz-TR	and those have binaries that get studied independently
[13:52]	schestowitz-TR	and I can compile them myself if I wish
[13:52]	schestowitz-TR	or if I am deep pocketed like a government
[13:52]	TR News	Games: Steam Deck, Psychonauts 2, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162565
[13:52]	TR Bot	 Games: Steam Deck, Psychonauts 2, and More | Tux Machines
[13:52]	DaemonFC	Right, but you don't really have to worry too much about what's in them.
[13:52]	DaemonFC	It's not "grab this from some random website and run it".
[13:53]	TR News	KaOS 2022.02 Quick overview #Shorts - Invidious <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Kip78pcl3v0"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
[13:53]	TR Bot	 KaOS 2022.02 Quick overview #Shorts - Invidious
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[13:53]	TR News	"A Quick overview of KaOS 2022.02." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Kip78pcl3v0
[13:56]	TR News	IBM: we are not racist. We use stock photography to compensate for the fact we seldom hire any women programmers, let alone black women. https://opensource.com/article/22/3/manage-java-versions-sdkman like LF: http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/
[13:56]	TR Bot	Java versions with SDKMan | Opensource.com
[13:56]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its Support for the Black Community | Techrights
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[13:57]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162566
[13:57]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[13:58]	TR News	Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162567
[13:58]	TR Bot	 Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[14:01]	TR News	Oh, come on, tecmint. You are recycling an article almost ten years old (see age of comments) because you cannot produce new stories? Ravi Saive keeps doing this. Change date to today, republish 9 years later. Pretend it's "NEW" https://www.tecmint.com/mx-linux-review/#comments
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[14:01]	TR Bot	 MX Linux Review A Debian Based OS for Linux Beginners
[14:03]	TR News	AMD outsourcing to Microsoft proprietary software because LLVM did. We need to eradicate GitHub. It should be a top priority. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-GFX940-MM-LLVM GitHub = attack on Free software AND on Git: http://techrights.org/2021/09/05/free-software-number-1-enemy/
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[14:03]	TR Bot	AMD "GFX940" Enablement Work Landing In LLVM - Phoronix
[14:03]	TR Bot	 The State of Free Software | Techrights
[14:04]	TR News	If you have a choice between two packages and one of them is on GitHub, choose the "other one". On average, in general, projects that use Microsoft proprietary software for hosting do not care about users' freedom and possibly never will.
[14:04]	TR News	openSUSE on the Raspberry Pi 400 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162568
[14:04]	TR Bot	 openSUSE on the Raspberry Pi 400 | Tux Machines
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[14:07]	TR News	Microsofters have found a new angle for attacking Linux (recycle) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162251#comment-33068 see http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/a-media-of-masturbating-monkeys/
[14:07]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:07]	TR Bot	 This is the Medias Equivalent of What Linus Torvalds Called Masturbating Monkeys | Techrights
[14:08]	TR News	Maybe the Microsofters want to start naming EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT THAT USES LINUX... and then name-drop "dirty pipe" for FUD's sake.
[14:11]	TR News	802.11ah WiFi HaLow development board launched for $99 (Crowdfunding) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162569
[14:11]	TR Bot	 802.11ah WiFi HaLow development board launched for $99 (Crowdfunding) | Tux Machines
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[14:20]	TR News	http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearchaswf_report/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearchaswf_report/
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[14:21]	TR News	http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearchaswf_report/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearchaswf_report/
[14:22]	MinceR	15 082636 <~schestowitz> MinceR: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/icbm.png
[14:22]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearch_aswf_report/
[14:22]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Research ASWF Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights
[14:22]	MinceR	lol
[14:22]	schestowitz-TR	it'sa , png
[14:22]	schestowitz-TR	I can have fun with it in the future, has transparency in it
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[14:22]	schestowitz-TR	maybe we can help that catch on
[14:22]	schestowitz-TR	ICMB Red Hat
[14:22]	schestowitz-TR	that'll sell
[14:23]	schestowitz-TR	*ICBM
[14:23]	schestowitz-TR	wait, I'll make a meme now
[14:23]	schestowitz-TR	should be fun
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[14:25]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Attacking_Communities.2FVolunteers
[14:25]	TR Bot	 IBM - Techrights
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[14:27]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/815133.jpg
[14:27]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/815133.jpg
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[14:29]	activelow	"Intel establishes production facility in Magdeburg/Germany"; "Intel will ensure a reliable independent supply chain", 17billion, 2027, 3000 jobs, Chancellor Scholz Olaf
[14:30]	schestowitz	"We aren't always slapping Free software volunteers; But when we do, we nuke 'em"
[14:30]	activelow	i would rather have asked, if and how all IBM Wintel could be removed, to establish reliable independent manufacturing
[14:31]	MinceR	that wouldn't establish reliable independent manufacturing
[14:31]	MinceR	amd and arm puts pretty much the same shit in their CPUs
[14:31]	activelow	yes
[14:31]	activelow	sure
[14:31]	activelow	and if anything Intel/Pentagon/USA had proven, it was their hostile business habits
[14:32]	MinceR	well, it couldn't be the russians or red china because they can't come up with anything on their own
[14:33]	activelow	in 1980s we already had it, semiconductor manufacturing and the know how; yet it was destroyed, and even if Intel plants it's corruption into the middle of east-germany now this changes nothing
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[14:34]	activelow	my opinion, of cause, besides the fact this corrupt criminal gang of RAND corp war criminals now establishes manufacturing plants in east-germany
[14:35]	activelow	of cause, too it's a fact the former semi-conductor manufactoring is lost, and cannot be re-established
[14:35]	activelow	as a reminder, NASA itself couldn't source required parts anymore for their space-shuttle, which was their dumpster diving for i8086/Z80/Gigatron era parts
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[14:38]	activelow	no surprise, Atlantic Bridge minion war criminals in german politics and media boast about it, the benefits of IBM Wintel offloading their proprietary stuff into eastern universities
[14:39]	activelow	i could sing a dozen songs, their peddling in Deutsche Telekom university
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[14:39]	activelow	and the consequences of this
[14:40]		*techrights_guest|47 (~2eeb6484@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
[14:41]	activelow	in parallel, recently tightened "anti hate speech", surveillence, "strengthening inner peace of society" was announced by ministry of the interior a moment ago, which is total propaganda and agitation of theirs boiled up to the max
[14:41]	schestowitz-TR	hi, techrights_guest|47
[14:45]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162570
[14:45]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[14:47]	TR News	Games modified specifically to work with GNU/Linux. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/action-shooter-the-ascent-is-steam-deck-verified-adds-a-little-tweak-for-deck-players
[14:47]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/action-shooter-the-ascent-is-steam-deck-verified-adds-a-little-tweak-for-deck-players
[14:47]	TR Bot	The Ascent is Steam Deck Verified, adds a little tweak for Deck players | GamingOnLinux
[14:48]	TR News	"Currently across games, software and DLC there's a total of 1,352 that are either Verified (740) or Playable (612)." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/heres-some-of-the-latest-steam-deck-verified-titles-including-the-popular-valheim
[14:48]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/heres-some-of-the-latest-steam-deck-verified-titles-including-the-popular-valheim
[14:48]	TR Bot	some of the latest Steam Deck Verified titles including the popular Valheim | GamingOnLinux
[14:48]	TR News	Of course this has NOTHING to do with Linux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-releases-april-20-more-zen-processors-on-the-way is AMD sending crates of gifts to people other than MicroLarabel? http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
[14:48]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-releases-april-20-more-zen-processors-on-the-way
[14:48]	TR Bot	Ryzen 7 5800X3D releases April 20, more Zen processors on the way | GamingOnLinux
[14:48]	TR Bot	 When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
[14:49]	TR News	Seems like he really ordered it. Not a gift. https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-first-impressions/
[14:49]	TR Bot	 Steam Deck First Impressions - Boiling Steam
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[14:54]	activelow	"Intel investment important impulse", "Germany attractive to high-tech investors"; Habeck, ministry of economics
[14:54]	TR News	Linux Foundation Research ASWF Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearch_aswf_report/
[14:54]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Research ASWF Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights
[14:55]	activelow	whoever IBM Wintel were (Pentagon RAND Corp.); they're not attractive to me, they're hostile, corrupt and ruinous
[14:55]	TR News	and
[14:56]	TR News	"Apparently there's some sort of anti-copy mechanism for discs recorded via optical (but not analog), but I'm the only person I've ever known with minidisc anything so I think I'm okay on that front, and I still have all the original sources anyways." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2020-11-16.gmi
[14:56]	TR News	Games: Deck Stuff and Beat Invaders Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162571
[14:56]	TR Bot	 Games: Deck Stuff and Beat Invaders | Tux Machines
[14:59]	TR News	Drew DeVault's blog: "I mainly focused on the programming language this month. I started writing a kernel, which you can see a screenshot of below. This screenshot shows a simulated page fault, demonstrating that we have a working interrupt handler, and also shows something mildly interesting: backtraces." https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/15/Status-update-March-2022.html
[14:59]	TR Bot	 Status update, March 2022
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[15:00]	TR News	Phoronix Intel spam, unrelated to Linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-IDM-EU-Investment Intel pays him to do this...
[15:00]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-IDM-EU-Investment
[15:00]	TR Bot	Announces 33 Billion Investment In The EU - Phoronix
[15:04]	TR News	Typical lies and hogwash from ICBM Red Hat https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hats-commitment-equal-pay there are lawsuits to that effect http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/the-ibm-standards/
[15:04]	TR Bot	 Red Hats commitment to equal pay
[15:04]	TR Bot	 Red Hat (IBM): FSF is Vile, Microsoft is Great; Our Sexism and Racism Are Also OK | Techrights
[15:04]	activelow	Russia announces: "Blinken and Biden forbidden to visit Russia"
[15:04]	schestowitz-TR	that's news?
[15:05]	schestowitz-TR	you seem to be reading Russian BS
[15:05]	schestowitz-TR	Hitler did not welcome Churchill to Belin, either
[15:05]	schestowitz-TR	*Berlin
[15:05]	TR News	ReactOS now supports SMP Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162572
[15:05]	TR Bot	 ReactOS now supports SMP | Tux Machines
[15:06]	MinceR	did they want to?
[15:07]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO: [Cr]acked US companies to face new reporting requirements https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-technology-business-congress-gary-peters-c46e063220568b2beb56220ac60f6041 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/
[15:07]	TR Bot	 Hacked US companies to face new reporting requirements | AP News
[15:07]	TR Bot	 Microsoft-Centric Ransomware Task Force | Techrights
[15:07]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: usually they convene in some third, "neutral" country
[15:08]	schestowitz-TR	like poland or singapore
[15:08]	schestowitz-TR	polanf is nato
[15:08]	schestowitz-TR	so not neutral
[15:08]	schestowitz-TR	china isn't either
[15:08]	schestowitz-TR	hungary is a double agnts spy
[15:08]	MinceR	let them do that
[15:08]	MinceR	and assassinate putler
[15:10]	schestowitz-TR	Russia will send out a fake clone
[15:11]	TR News	Phoronix... boring. Paid-for x86 MARKETING. NO connection to Linux. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-5800X3D-New-CPUs paid-for junk, cruft. http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
[15:11]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-5800X3D-New-CPUs
[15:11]	TR Bot	Announces Ryzen 7 5800X3D Shipping On 4/20, New Mainstream CPUs - Phoronix
[15:11]	TR Bot	 When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
[15:11]	TR News	"Even better would be if they had to report it to the public." Would be better if the "news" reported this that is a Microsoft Windows issue. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/us-critical-infrastructure-companies-will-have-to-report-when-they-are-hacked.html
[15:11]	TR Bot	Critical Infrastructure Companies Will Have to Report When They Are Hacked - Schneier on Security
[15:12]	TR News	"Even better would be if they had to report it to the public." Would be better if the "news" reported that this is a Microsoft Windows issue. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/us-critical-infrastructure-companies-will-have-to-report-when-they-are-hacked.html
[15:13]	TR News	Recycle and reuse are kinder to the planet. Let's hope this lasts a while. Buy less, learn to repair and maintain. https://www.maketecheasier.com/covid-foxconn-delaying-next-iphones/
[15:13]	TR Bot	 COVID Closes Foxconn, Possibly Delaying Next iPhones - Make Tech Easier
[15:14]	SomeH4x0r	COVID closes? Maybe the restrictions do?
[15:14]	TR News	SUSE: proprietary software reseller of Microsoft and SAP. Almost half of their blog posts are SAP shilling. https://www.suse.com/c/rise-with-sap-still-one-of-the-most-discussed-topics-in-the-sap-community/ see http://techrights.org/2011/09/16/linux-tax-at-sap/
[15:14]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/rise-with-sap-still-one-of-the-most-discussed-topics-in-the-sap-community/
[15:15]	TR Bot	with SAP- still one of the most discussed topics in the SAP community | SUSE Communities
[15:15]	TR Bot	 SAP Offers Lip Service to Red Hat But Continues to Pay Microsoft for GNU/Linux, Thanks to SUSE | Techrights
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	SomeH4x0r: no, it's not like that in English
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	that means to say
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	COVID causes closure
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	but still improperly phrase
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	it's not the virus itself doing it
[15:15]	immibis	SomeH4x0r: why do you think stopping COVID is bad?
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	it's humans closing the factories
[15:15]	schestowitz-TR	due to COVID killing them
[15:16]	immibis	in place where governments make no attempt to coordinate the stoppage of COVID, stuff is still closed, businesses are still failing, people are still staying at home, etc
[15:16]	immibis	places*
[15:16]	SomeH4x0r	governments closing stuff
[15:16]	SomeH4x0r	government actions cause closure
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	HK is drowning in COVID atm
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	same in South Korea
[15:16]	immibis	then explain why closure happens in places without government actions
[15:16]	schestowitz-TR	HK is close to shenzhen
[15:17]	immibis	explain why less closure happened in places with strong government actions
[15:17]	schestowitz-TR	where much Foxconn production happens iirc
[15:17]	immibis	your ideological possession does not match up to reality
[15:17]	schestowitz-TR	then shipped from the ports in or near HK
[15:17]	schestowitz-TR	fwiw, we barely know what goes in china
[15:17]	schestowitz-TR	they carefully control what info "gets out"
[15:18]	SomeH4x0r	stopping COVID-19 is not bad, introducing new-normal restrictions which might stay for years or more is bad
[15:19]	TR News	Gulag, I don't care how FAST your malware is https://blog.chromium.org/2022/03/how-chrome-became-highest-scoring.html
[15:19]	TR Bot	 Chromium Blog: How Chrome Became Highest Scoring Browser on Speedometer, Ever
[15:20]	SomeH4x0r	governments spread information, people might decide to close places too
[15:21]	SomeH4x0r	anyway, I think it is more about the panic (if this word is applicable) than about the virus
[15:21]	schestowitz-TR	it's causing hoispitals to go above capacity
[15:21]	schestowitz-TR	and that harms all patients
[15:21]	schestowitz-TR	of all ages
[15:22]	schestowitz-TR	we have a surge in COVID patients here this month
[15:22]	schestowitz-TR	see schestowitz.com/Weblog for visuals and anniotations
[15:23]	SomeH4x0r	you didn't specify the protocol
[15:23]	SomeH4x0r	if it is a webplace
[15:23]	SomeH4x0r	or geminiplace
[15:23]	SomeH4x0r	or both?
[15:24]	TR News	Linux Foundation is trying to reinvent itself as a diploma mill https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp-provides-a-clear-path-to-cloud-native-careers-301501931.html see http://techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/
[15:24]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: prnewswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp-provides-a-clear-path-to-cloud-native-careers-301501931.html
[15:24]	TR Bot	 New Cloud Native Developer Bootcamp Provides a Clear Path to Cloud Native Careers
[15:24]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation and Other Diploma Mills Say Theres Demand for Their Products in Their New Research (Marketing) | Techrights
[15:24]	schestowitz-TR	SomeH4x0r: just http for now
[15:25]	schestowitz-TR	it's an old site, 20 years
[15:25]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162573
[15:25]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[15:26]	TR News	Qt now abandons GNU/Linux? "There is no simple API for doing that on any platform we target - iOS, Android and Windows." https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-webassembly-on-mobile-devices
[15:26]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-webassembly-on-mobile-devices
[15:26]	TR Bot	 Qt for WebAssembly on mobile devices
[15:28]	SomeH4x0r	weird, why would HTTPS redirect to some weird 404 page
[15:28]	TR News	"SAP and Arvato, for example, want to offer Microsoft products to German administrations and the new government is open to this." And FSFE was OPEN TO MICROSOFT MONEY!! https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220315-01.en.html
[15:28]	TR Bot	 Germany: 100 days of coalition agreement - hardly one day for Free Software - FSFE
[15:29]	schestowitz	SomeH4x0r: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/
[15:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com
[15:30]	schestowitz	not 404
[15:30]	schestowitz	maybe you put small w
[15:30]	SomeH4x0r	yes, but https:// results in 404
[15:30]	TR Bot	not resolve host: results; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https:// results )
[15:31]	schestowitz-TR	I'll look into it
[15:32]	schestowitz-TR	I don't want to force CAs on people
[15:32]	schestowitz-TR	impose/enforce
[15:33]	SomeH4x0r	self-signed works already, just wrong page
[15:33]	SomeH4x0r	I don't care about these stupid warnings
[15:33]	SomeH4x0r	but they will censor us
[15:33]	schestowitz-TR	this is shared hosting with no shell access
[15:33]	schestowitz-TR	not proper shell access
[15:33]	schestowitz-TR	so I cannot self-sign, I don't think...
[15:33]	SomeH4x0r	with mandatory HSTS I'm not aware how to disable in the big browsers
[15:34]	schestowitz-TR	I'm looking into it at this moment
[15:34]	SomeH4x0r	afaik Pale Moon did implement it themselves
[15:35]	schestowitz-TR	I changed my mind
[15:35]	schestowitz-TR	I'd rather not do ssl than send ZemlinShitPAC my "trust"
[15:35]	schestowitz-TR	cpanel is what they give me here
[15:35]	schestowitz-TR	and it defaults to LE
[15:36]	SomeH4x0r	can't upload own certificate?
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	no, I can only access ~/public_html
[15:36]	schestowitz-TR	afaik
[15:36]	SomeH4x0r	oh, fuck it then
[15:36]	XRevan86	Ovsyannikova got herself a civil case.
[15:37]	SomeH4x0r	I expect them to eventually censor http:// either
[15:37]	TR Bot	not resolve host: either; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http:// either )
[15:37]	XRevan86	Seems like the gods were merciful on her.
[15:37]	SomeH4x0r	just like they simply removed ftp:// already, afaik
[15:37]	schestowitz-TR	the browsers did
[15:37]	schestowitz-TR	you can still use ftp
[15:37]	schestowitz-TR	mostly gulag-controlled browsers
[15:37]	SomeH4x0r	yes, but most brainwashed users don't care
[15:37]	schestowitz-TR	for some things ftp is fine
[15:37]	schestowitz-TR	anon access
[15:38]	schestowitz-TR	like in the old days
[15:38]	schestowitz-TR	no password
[15:38]	schestowitz-TR	and no sensitive things
[15:38]	schestowitz-TR	like, for download of stuff
[15:38]	schestowitz-TR	and you can check against md5sum or similar
[15:38]	schestowitz-TR	schestowitz.com had ftp many years ago
[15:38]	schestowitz-TR	public ftp
[15:38]	schestowitz-TR	with some software of mine
[15:38]	schestowitz-TR	anon access
[15:40]	TR News	QuartzPro64 SBC coming soon with RK3588 SoC, 16GB RAM, $300+ price tag Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162574
[15:40]	TR Bot	 QuartzPro64 SBC coming soon with RK3588 SoC, 16GB RAM, $300+ price tag | Tux Machines
[15:40]	schestowitz-TR	one upside of the Internet wars of the past 3 weeks is that we see many bubbles busrtng
[15:40]	schestowitz-TR	one of them is the CAs with their "trust" model
[15:41]	schestowitz-TR	it's more of an instrument of unjust power
[15:41]	schestowitz-TR	over millions of sites that would otherwise be openly available
[15:41]	psydroid2	those prices for ARM SBCs are becoming crazy too
[15:42]	TR News	Jim Zemlin is selling sears again. This is how it works; they're up for sale. https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/the-linux-foundation-welcomes-new-board-members-from-ericsson-fujitsu-meta-panasonic-sony-and-vmware/
[15:42]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/the-linux-foundation-welcomes-new-board-members-from-ericsson-fujitsu-meta-panasonic-sony-and-vmware/
[15:42]	TR Bot	 The Linux Foundation Welcomes New Board Members from Ericsson, Fujitsu, Meta, Panasonic, Sony, and VMWare - Linux Foundation
[15:43]	TR News	Drew DeVaults latest criticism of the Linux Foundation might be overlooking the fact that nowadays Linux Foundation seats are literally on sale (thats how its raising money, in effect handing over or selling Linux direction/control) http://techrights.org/2020/08/28/linux-foundation-for-sale/
[15:43]	TR Bot	 If You Dont Understand Why Linux Foundation Board is Less Than 5% Geeks, Then You Dont Understand the Linux Foundation | Techrights
[15:44]	TR News	"The National Science Foundation (NSF) has launched a new initiative called Pathways to Enable Open-Source Ecosystems (POSE), which will harness the power of open source development for the creation of new technology solutions to problems of national and societal importance." https://www.fosslife.org/nsf-announces-pathways-enable-open-source-ecosystems
[15:45]	TR Bot	 NSF Announces Pathways to Enable Open Source Ecosystems
[15:46]	TR News	Proprietary software. "Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-074-01
[15:46]	TR Bot	 ABB OPC Server for AC 800M | CISA
[15:46]	XRevan86	https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300747814001
[15:46]	TR Bot	 Fox News cameraman Pierre Zakrzewski killed in Ukraine | On Air Videos | Fox News
[15:46]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: foxnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300747814001
[15:46]	XRevan86	Ariadne: ^ Republican support for Putin might just shrink a little now
[15:47]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO: "Axeda Desktop Server for Windows: All versions" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-067-01 "Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity"
[15:47]	TR Bot	 PTC Axeda agent and Axeda Desktop Server (Update B) | CISA
[15:48]	TR News	Linux: LOCAL priv escalation bug. MEDIA: OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Microsoft Windows "exploitable remotely/low attack complexity".... media: what? Sorry? Did you say something? They're still working on ruining us. http://techrights.org/2013/11/17/nils-torvalds-on-back-doors/
[15:48]	TR Bot	 Confirmed by Nils Torvalds: NSA Asked Linus Torvalds for Back Doors in Linux, Torvalds Did Not Tell Us | Techrights
[15:51]	TR News	The Internet as we know it is dying a fast death (not yet end of life) https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/russia-nearly-isolated-online-mean-internets-future-rcna19389 see http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/
[15:51]	TR Bot	 Russia is nearly isolated online. What does that mean for the internets future?
[15:51]	TR Bot	 The Internet is Breaking and We Need Contingencies | Techrights
[15:52]	TR News	"A cryptic, Rosicrucian-inspired text of disputed authorship, featuring engravings rich in alchemical symbolism." https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/cabala-spiegel/
[15:52]	TR Bot	 A Hall of Mirrors: *Cabala, Spiegel Der Kunst Und Natur, In Alchymia* (1615) The Public Domain Review
[15:53]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162575
[15:53]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[15:59]		*gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@da3mur5d2cnse.irc) has joined #techrights
[15:59]	schestowitz	clownflare test https://opensource.com/article/22/3/manage-java-versions-sdkman
[15:59]	TR Bot	Java versions with SDKMan | Opensource.com
[15:59]	schestowitz	OK, they moved the site
[15:59]	schestowitz	but no CF
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[16:01]	TR News	ICBM Red Hat continues outsourcing itself to Amazon. ping opensource.com PING opensource.com (54.204.39.132) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from ec2-54-204-39-132.compute-1.amazonaws.com (54.204.39.132): icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=105 ms ... see http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/aws-fedoraproject/
[16:01]	TR Bot	 It Looks Like Red Hats (IBM) Fedora Project May be Outsourced to Amazons Datacentres | Techrights
[16:03]	TR News	ICBM Red Hat has long been slow to adopt female workers at higher levels http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/
[16:03]	TR Bot	 IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights
[16:03]	TR News	Linux Foundation Marketing Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162576
[16:03]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Marketing Fluff | Tux Machines
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[16:24]	TR News	"There are many terminal apps available that you can use while working with the command-line, but which one should you consider using? In this video, Jay from LearnLinuxTV shows you his top 5 favorite terminal emulators." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=aCIph71bBic
[16:24]	TR Bot	 Top 5 Terminal Emulators - Invidious
[16:25]	TR News	Microsoft and a Node/JS are piles of shit. https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/node-js-security-parse-server-remote-code-execution-vulnerability-resolved
[16:25]	TR Bot	 Node.js security: Parse Server remote code execution vulnerability resolved | The Daily Swig
[16:25]	TR News	Run Your Own Server For Fun (and Zero Profit) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162577
[16:25]	TR Bot	 Run Your Own Server For Fun (and Zero Profit) | Tux Machines
[16:28]	TR News	Announcement: gcobol https://lwn.net/ml/gcc/20220314163437.54ed696e0499d0875743a0f3@schemamania.org/
[16:29]	TR Bot	gcobol [LWN.net]
[16:29]	TR News	Three Tools to Scan a Linux Server for Viruses, Malware and Rootkits Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162578
[16:29]	TR Bot	 Three Tools to Scan a Linux Server for Viruses, Malware and Rootkits | Tux Machines
[16:31]	TR News	Pine64 previews RK3588-based QuartzPro64 SBC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162574#comment-33070
[16:31]	TR Bot	 QuartzPro64 SBC coming soon with RK3588 SoC, 16GB RAM, $300+ price tag | Tux Machines
[16:35]	activelow	rk3588 is heterogenous SMP, no thanks
[16:39]	TR News	An OpenStreetMap viewer for Emacs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162579
[16:39]	TR Bot	 An OpenStreetMap viewer for Emacs | Tux Machines
[16:39]	TR News	Videos/Audiocasts/Shows: Document Foundation, Terminals, and KaOS 2022.02 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162580
[16:39]	TR Bot	 Videos/Audiocasts/Shows: Document Foundation, Terminals, and KaOS 2022.02 | Tux Machines
[16:41]	psydroid2	I don't know what is happening with Cortex-A78C and Cortex-X1C
[16:41]	psydroid2	it's very quiet on that front
[16:41]	TR News	"I decided not to once I had finished the 54 gig download of over 140,000 MOD files. The directory structure of the downloaded files was going to make it a little cumbersome to be useful on a gopher site." gemini://gemini.lottalinuxlinks.com/posts/2021-01-29-welcome-to-the-modcast.gmi
[16:42]	schestowitz-TR	psydroid2: indeed
[16:43]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162581
[16:43]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[16:46]	psydroid2	I would look towards RISC-V now with hopefully more chips in the pipeline
[16:48]	activelow	i'll be heading towards Gigatron/Z80 era once done with the linux distro (which i try to keep as minimal and clean as possible, including removal of GCC if possible, no kernel updates beyond v5.10LTS anymore)
[16:50]	TR News	Links 15/3/2022: C4C Linux is Back and gcobol Unveiled | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/gcobol-unveiled/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/gcobol-unveiled/
[16:50]	TR Bot	 Links 15/3/2022: C4C Linux is Back and gcobol Unveiled | Techrights
[16:50]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162582
[16:50]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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[17:05]	XRevan86	Huh, Yandex is going to sell its publication resources: News and (D)zen.
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[17:15]	schestowitz-TR	what are those?
[17:16]	MinceR	well, it seems yandex is going away
[17:16]	MinceR	i guess whoever owned it is no longer comfortable with serving vladolf
[17:16]	XRevan86	Not really.
[17:17]	XRevan86	But it seems like News and Zen are too much of a liability to them now.
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[17:17]	XRevan86	They had to censor them extremely, and no one is happy.
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[17:19]	XRevan86	Maybe they're hoping that they'll look less pro-Kremlin if they ditch the services that the Kremlin wants the most control over.
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[17:42]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/814958.jpg
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[18:05]	activelow	https://www.dw.com/en/russia-formally-departs-council-of-europe/a-61136962
[18:05]	TR Bot	formally departs Council of Europe | News | DW | 15.03.2022
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[18:12]	DaemonFC	"Fixed: A bug that slipped into the previous release and prevented OpenVPN from working on any devices except ones with the AMD64 architecture."
[18:12]	DaemonFC	https://nordvpn.com/blog/nordvpn-linux-release-notes/
[18:12]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: nordvpn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nordvpn.com/blog/nordvpn-linux-release-notes/
[18:12]	TR Bot	for Linux: release notes | NordVPN
[18:13]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, So this basically confirms that they aren't testing on anything except x86-64.
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[18:14]	DaemonFC	I don't kno what architectures they "support".
[18:14]	DaemonFC	The main package just adds their repo and signing key.
[18:17]	DaemonFC	Ukraine has charged the Russian puppet mayor of Mariupol with treason.
[18:17]	DaemonFC	Nobody has seen the real mayor alive since Saturday.
[18:18]	MinceR	(cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/fTr3ZBL.mp4
[18:18]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/fTr3ZBL.mp4
[18:23]	DaemonFC	MinceR, The movie Lifeforce was pretty good.
[18:23]	DaemonFC	Best line, one of the male energy vampires says "It will be far less horrifying if you simply come here.".
[18:23]	DaemonFC	Every government ever.
[18:23]	MinceR	:>
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[18:25]	DaemonFC	MinceR, What I don't get is how they could be hovering above a major city like that and no world government decides to nuke their spaceship.
[18:26]	DaemonFC	There's no evidence that they have any defenses for that. They're a race of parasites that apparently descends upon Earth to feed on the humans every several thousand years. Their ship stores the life energy like a battery.
[18:26]	MinceR	so they're nicer than the usual politicians, managers and priests, who do this constantly instead of every several thousand years
[18:27]	DaemonFC	Life Sucking Energy Vampires 2024
[18:27]	DaemonFC	They're better than the Democrats.
[18:29]	DaemonFC	MinceR, I was watching a movie once where the aliens show up and promise humans all sorts of advanced technology and as a demonstration, they start cleaning all of the smog and pollution out of the atmosphere.
[18:29]	DaemonFC	All they want are the black people. So after a little bit of debate, we turn them over and have the military forcing them onto the alien ships.
[18:29]	TR News	20 Million Confirmed COVID-19 Infections in the UK by Weeks End http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/15/20-million-uk-covid19/
[18:29]	TR Bot	Blog Archive 20 Million Confirmed COVID-19 Infections in the UK by Weeks End
[18:30]	DaemonFC	There was a debate over whether this was ethical or not and what the aliens could possibly want them for and then the result was "Who knows? Who cares? Look at what they're offering us and look at what we have.".
[18:31]	DaemonFC	MinceR, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109487/
[18:31]	TR Bot	Slop (TV Movie 1994) - IMDb
[18:32]	DaemonFC	From the way the movie was written, I think it was meant to be critical of white people.
[18:32]	DaemonFC	But it didn't do a very good job of it.
[18:34]	DaemonFC	MinceR, At no point did anyone in the movie explicitly put the alien offer on the table as "You mean we get technology 1,000 years more advanced than our own and in exchange there won't be any crime or need for prisons?".
[18:34]	MinceR	which would be obviously false anyway
[18:35]	DaemonFC	If you reduced the prison load by 84% in America, you could do a combination of community corrections and county jails with what was left.
[18:35]	TR News	When Europes Largest Patent Office is Run by Opportunistic Politicians Who Break the Law and Look for Distractions | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/opportunistic-patent-office/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/opportunistic-patent-office/
[18:35]	TR Bot	 When Europes Largest Patent Office is Run by Opportunistic Politicians Who Break the Law and Look for Distractions | Techrights
[18:35]	MinceR	even if you could, that would not eliminate all crime or all need for prisons
[18:35]	DaemonFC	Essentially all serious crime.
[18:36]	MinceR	and we don't even imprison the worst of our criminals
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[18:36]	MinceR	or otherwise punish
[18:36]	DaemonFC	What would be left? The occasional guy who walks in on his wife and another man?
[18:36]	MinceR	putler is unpunished
[18:36]	MinceR	the CPC is unpunished
[18:36]	MinceR	rocket man is unpunished
[18:36]	MinceR	bill gAIDS, steve ballmer, asatya nadella and the entire management of MICROS~1 is unpunished
[18:36]	MinceR	the management of ibm/deadrat is unpunished
[18:37]	MinceR	viktor orban is unpunished
[18:37]	DaemonFC	Yeah, but the statistics would be a damned sight better than they are now.
[18:37]	MinceR	we imprison people for committing crimes that are not great enough
[18:37]	DaemonFC	I liked that world they went to on Star Trek: TNG where there was only one penalty for anything. Death.
[18:37]	MinceR	and most of those people aren't even black
[18:37]	DaemonFC	They chose a zone for enforcement each day.
[18:38]	DaemonFC	Most people wouldn't risk death to commit any offense, so crime dropped to almost nothing.
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[18:38]	psydroid2	https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/world/europe/netherlands-prisons-shortage.html
[18:38]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/world/europe/netherlands-prisons-shortage.html
[18:38]	TR Bot	 Dutch Get Creative to Solve a Prison Problem: Too Many Empty Cells - The New York Times
[18:39]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Most people should know not to talk to the police. Very few can actually keep their mouths shut though.
[18:39]	DaemonFC	There's absolutely no chance of helping your case, but you will eventually start telling them things they do not know.
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[18:40]	bnchs	hell
[18:40]	DaemonFC	I was reading about a police chief in Arkansas that murdered a man.
[18:40]	DaemonFC	He even eventually started talking to them.
[18:41]	MinceR	"l'enfer, c'est les autres."
[18:41]	bnchs	hello
[18:41]	DaemonFC	"We just need to know about your day. And by not talking to us, that means you did something bad today, right?"
[18:41]	DaemonFC	See what they did there? Not talking to them is not admissible in court as evidence of wrongdoing.
[18:41]	bnchs	DaemonFC, so they manipulate people into spilling
[18:41]	DaemonFC	But they make you think it might be. As a cop, he should have known better.
[18:42]	DaemonFC	Oh yes, they'll sit there for hours.
[18:42]	DaemonFC	They'll alternate between threats of things they can't do and promises they can't make and won't keep.
[18:42]	DaemonFC	And they'll get it out of you a little at a time.
[18:42]	DaemonFC	Most people, that is.
[18:42]	bnchs	lol
[18:42]	bnchs	once you tell them everything
[18:43]	DaemonFC	Out come the handcuffs.
[18:43]	DaemonFC	"Hey, you said you'd let me go home!"
[18:43]	bnchs	you're not gonna win your case
[18:43]	DaemonFC	Cop: "Yeah, that's not what's happening!"
[18:43]	bnchs	because they'll learn from what you said
[18:43]	bnchs	the lawyers
[18:43]	DaemonFC	Then many people who are arrested again didn't learn the first time.
[18:43]	DaemonFC	And go right back to sitting there talking to the police without their attorney.
[18:44]	bnchs	they have a right to remain slient
[18:44]	DaemonFC	And they get themselves in trouble, again and again.
[18:44]	DaemonFC	<bnchs> they have a right to remain slient
[18:44]	DaemonFC	"But not the ability....." -Ron White
[18:44]	DaemonFC	bbiab
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[18:47]	bnchs	they actually pirate netflix accounts
[18:47]	bnchs	rather than downloading the movies directly
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[18:53]	bnchs	hi
[18:53]	schestowitz-TR	0/
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[19:00]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/815412.jpg
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[19:01]	TR News	The EPOs Strike That Not a Single Publisher Wants to Tell You About! | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/epo-strike-media-blackout/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/epo-strike-media-blackout/
[19:01]	TR Bot	 The EPOs Strike That Not a Single Publisher Wants to Tell You About! | Techrights
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[19:09]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: will use your link
[19:09]	schestowitz-TR	for epo metaphor
[19:13]	activelow	currently following this one "Intel City Magdeburg", and F-35 acquisition plans in Germany
[19:13]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: which link?
[19:14]	schestowitz	activelow: http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/russia-joins-epo/
[19:14]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Russia Joins EPO (in Officially Discarding the Rule of Law) | Techrights
[19:17]	TR News	[Meme] Russia Joins EPO (in Officially Discarding the Rule of Law) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/russia-joins-epo/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/russia-joins-epo/
[19:20]	immibis_	wait, are we talking about the EPO because its cafeteria doesn't accept cash?
[19:22]	TR News	"I disagree. I don't think companies should be able to shutdown commentary they don't like by taking domain names from others." https://lwn.net/Articles/887931/#Comments
[19:22]	TR Bot	Hat fails to take WeMakeFedora.org [LWN.net]
[19:26]	schestowitz-TR	immibis_: haha,
[19:26]	schestowitz-TR	like THAT'S the REAL issue there
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[19:33]	bnchs	they don't accept cash?
[19:33]	DaemonFC	<bnchs> rather than downloading the movies directly
[19:33]	DaemonFC	Netflix is useful. It's a source of new AV1/Opus rips.
[19:33]	bnchs	yes of course
[19:33]	DaemonFC	Once people rip that particular thing, Netflix can't control it anymore.
[19:33]	bnchs	because people actually managed to crack the widevine DRM
[19:33]	DaemonFC	Then there's no incentive to give them any money.
[19:33]	DaemonFC	Nope, it's not Widevine.
[19:34]	bnchs	well what DRM is it
[19:34]	DaemonFC	Netflix only streams in 720p in Widevine.
[19:34]	DaemonFC	People crack Microsoft "PlayReady" to get the 1080p and 2160p rips.
[19:34]	SomeH4x0r	Isn't it Widevine L1, L2 and L3?
[19:34]	DaemonFC	So you actually do have to use Edge on Windows to do that.
[19:34]	bnchs	"microsoft drm"
[19:34]	DaemonFC	<SomeH4x0r> Isn't it Widevine L1, L2 and L3?
[19:34]	bnchs	geez what could go wrong
[19:35]	DaemonFC	They have different levels of Widevine, but Netflix and Amazon both constrain the video to 720p if Widevine is the CDM.
[19:35]	DaemonFC	Because they know there's a million ways to crack it.
[19:35]	bnchs	DaemonFC, i think DRMs that use hardware can be cracked
[19:35]	DaemonFC	I don't know what Hulu does.
[19:35]	bnchs	you could make a hardware emulator
[19:35]	DaemonFC	All DRM *can* be cracked.
[19:35]	bnchs	you could make a TPM emulator that intercepts calls
[19:35]	DaemonFC	People like mjg59_ work hard to try to stop it, or at least with code other people hand them perhaps.
[19:36]	SomeH4x0r	or just find the weakest hardware unit supported
[19:36]	schestowitz-TR	"BUT DIS NOT LEGAL !!"
[19:36]	SomeH4x0r	but yes, emulator is better
[19:36]	DaemonFC	schestowitz implied that he's not nearly as smart as he wants people to think he is and may just be getting paid to be a front for code handed to him by other actors.
[19:36]	DaemonFC	To make it seem legit.
[19:36]	bnchs	with microsoft pluton its not gonna be really easy
[19:36]	bnchs	unless you manage to reverse engineer pluton
[19:36]	bnchs	and emulate it
[19:36]	immibis_	bnchs: the problem is reverse-engineering the hardware enough to extract the private key (not to mention the algorithm). If implemented right, it can't be done without dissolving away the chip with acid.
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[19:36]	schestowitz-TR	pluton seems to be dying already
[19:37]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ was pitching Pluton the other day.
[19:37]	immibis	and using an electron microscope.
[19:37]	schestowitz-TR	AMD pulled out of it this month
[19:37]	schestowitz-TR	iirc
[19:37]	DaemonFC	It seems AMD locks it to OFF right now and he was trying to get the fucking thing to turn ON.
[19:37]	XRevan86	coub.com is done for
[19:37]	DaemonFC	For some ungodly reason.
[19:37]	immibis	and then reverse-engineering a hundred billion transistors to find which 256 of them encode the private key
[19:37]	bnchs	yes
[19:37]	DaemonFC	You go to install an "update" for your "BIOS" later. It flips "Pluton" on without asking.
[19:38]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Well roy does tend to keep saying untrue things about me
[19:38]	bnchs	or just don't use the hardware
[19:38]	DaemonFC	You can't backflash because reasons.
[19:38]	DaemonFC	And then you have another nasty thing that locks you out of the computer.
[19:38]	mjg59_	But no, I do not do any work that enables DRM
[19:38]	bnchs	you can implement a TPM emulator or some emulator in the kernel
[19:38]	immibis	A better way might be to film your TV screen.
[19:38]	immibis	you know, the HDCP protection only goes up to the main circuit board on your TV. It doesn't extend from the HDCP decoder chip to the actual pixels
[19:38]	mjg59_	I have refused to take jobs that would involve me implementing or managing DRM
[19:38]	DaemonFC	I dealt with "Secure" boot by turning it off completely.
[19:38]	bnchs	immibis, that already exists
[19:38]	TR News	"My post "Why I Will Not Contribute To StackOverflow Again" has a shorter URL to the reply I want you to upvote." gopher://gopher.club:70/1/users/ayaron/
[19:39]	DaemonFC	It doesn't solve any actual problems that pertain to me.
[19:39]	bnchs	it's called CAMRIP
[19:39]	immibis	bnchs: oh yes, you can absolutely implement a TPM... TPMs will soon come with private keys signed by Intel and Windows won't run unless you have one of those
[19:39]	bnchs	and it's mostly low quality camera recording
[19:39]	mjg59_	Cool? If your threat model doesn't involve people attacking your boot chain, it doesn't buy you anything
[19:39]	DaemonFC	And I install the OS and application security updates from Debian and Flathub immediately.
[19:39]	DaemonFC	Without delay.
[19:39]	bnchs	immibis, wow
[19:39]	DaemonFC	Some people let security updates pile up, and I mean, if they want to, that's their problem.
[19:39]	TR News	"I've been gradually tweaking my PineDA (Pinephone PDA) and molding it into my ideal personal computing interface. Well as close to ideal as I can get with my limited skills." gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/gemlog/2022-03-15-convergence.gmi
[19:39]	DaemonFC	If it causes them harm, they can blame themselves.
[19:40]	immibis	(btw I don't know if that is actual technology. It would be easy to implement and I *expect* it to be implemented especially if people start hooking up fake TPMs)
[19:40]	DaemonFC	But none of this should be going on in firmware.
[19:40]	DaemonFC	Firmware is already super shitty without this nonsense in it.
[19:40]	MinceR	if your threat model is all about people compromising your windows installation or replacing it with a real OS, it is impossible for your data to be secure
[19:40]	TR News	Yesterday I noticed by accident while googling something for work the word "Gemini" which caught my attention so I decided to enter and see what it is, after a few moments I really liked this idea of a new way of browsing and creating web pages which are based only on text files" gemini://grizzly.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-03-15-Welcome-Gemini.gmi
[19:40]	mjg59_	immibis: It's already easy to verify that a TPM is real, but it's also easy to lie to the TPM about the system state
[19:40]	DaemonFC	Firmware is so super shitty that if you can get it to boot your OS at all, LEAVE IT ALONE.
[19:40]	bnchs	can you dump a TPM
[19:41]	mjg59_	immibis: So if you want to fake any of this stuff, just buy a second TPM, lie to it, and have it attest
[19:41]	mjg59_	Define "dump"
[19:41]	DaemonFC	Lenovo or someone will come in and brick things that worked before.
[19:41]	immibis	mjg59_: that's why you have the chain of trust. Each stage attests the next stage so that by the time you get to a malicious stage, the TPM already knows something is different
[19:41]	DaemonFC	And if they don't, Intel and Microsoft will.
[19:41]	bnchs	mjg59_, dump the data stored in it
[19:41]	bnchs	private keys
[19:41]	bnchs	etc
[19:41]	MinceR	ooh, remote attestation
[19:41]	mjg59_	immibis: If you have a second TPM then you can establish your own root of trust
[19:41]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Thanks to this fucking uEFI crap, I have my firmware complaining "NO INTERNET CONNECTION AT BOOT".
[19:42]	TR News	2240 capsules now. It was 2200 only a few days ago gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
[19:42]	MinceR	got to have daddy gAIDS decide what you're allowed to run on your property, and prove it to him!
[19:42]	mjg59_	bnchs: No
[19:42]	DaemonFC	Why in the fuck would system firmware NEED that?
[19:42]	activelow	BIOS/UEFI is the "real" OS itself with direct access to hardware; any other is merely a supervised and jailed guest system
[19:42]	bnchs	DaemonFC, lol modern computers really be like that
[19:42]	DaemonFC	Why do I want it reaching out, independent of the OS, and accessing the Internet?
[19:42]	DaemonFC	How does that SECURE my laptop?
[19:42]	bnchs	i'm pretty sure a computer from 2010s won't complain about internet connection
[19:42]	mjg59_	activelow: No, UEFI provides no meaningful runtime interface and the OS retains full access to the hardware
[19:42]	immibis	mjg59_: assuming it's not integrated with your processor
[19:42]	MinceR	apparently they've redefined what "secure" means
[19:43]	immibis	DaemonFC: it secures it from yourself. Remember, it's not your laptop, it's Microsoft's.
[19:43]	DaemonFC	BIOS systems (Legacy BIOS) were so much more pleasant.
[19:43]	immibis	Microsoft's laptop is secure from you.
[19:43]	MinceR	to them, it means that your laptop has the standard set of vulnerabilities passed from on high by your would-be owners at MICROS~1.
[19:43]	MinceR	oh, and backdoors
[19:43]	DaemonFC	Unfortunately, they're all getting so old that even most GNU/Linux distros barely run on them anymore.
[19:43]	bnchs	the only thing i liked about UEFI
[19:43]	DaemonFC	The last ones that went out were like early 2009 I think.
[19:43]	bnchs	was about the ability to boot many EFI files
[19:43]	bnchs	other than that it's shit
[19:43]	DaemonFC	I bought one of the last anticipating uEFI would be a big shitheap.
[19:43]	SomeH4x0r	what is getting old?
[19:43]	activelow	mjg59_: just because firmware doesn't expose various interfaces doesn't mean those didn't exist
[19:43]	DaemonFC	And it's an even bigger shitheap than I thought it would be.
[19:44]	DaemonFC	And mjg59_ seems to think it's great.
[19:44]	DaemonFC	He's in the minority. People who actually have to use systems with it don't like it.
[19:44]	MinceR	well, it's "modern" and it's pushed by MICROS~1 _and_ ibm/deadrat, so it's got to be great.
[19:44]	immibis	someone will probably write a BIOS to UEFI adapter
[19:44]	immibis	BIOS is full of outdated legacy crap technology
[19:44]	MinceR	i'll take "outdated legacy crap" over a "modern" tumor that's designed to lock me into Backdoors any time.
[19:45]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: ? I am on record as calling UEFI terrible
[19:45]	TR News	Windows monopoly on gaming (on desktops/laptops, not mobile) will rot away fast https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/google-announces-steam-for-chromeos-chromebooks-in-alpha
[19:45]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/google-announces-steam-for-chromeos-chromebooks-in-alpha
[19:45]	TR Bot	announces Steam for ChromeOS Chromebooks in 'Alpha' | GamingOnLinux
[19:45]	bnchs	immibis, you mean something that already exists?
[19:45]	mjg59_	It solves some problems that BIOS had, but it's not *good*
[19:45]	DaemonFC	The BIOS did one thing. It loaded the bootloader, then it was just sort of dangling there, unused (by anything modern).
[19:45]	DaemonFC	So unless you loaded DOS there wasn't much more to it at that.
[19:45]	DaemonFC	It got the computer running and that's all that matters.
[19:45]	TR News	Microsoft must be scratching is head now. It cannot buy ALL gaming studios. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/google-talk-about-their-windows-emulator-for-stadia-and-they-use-dxvk-already
[19:45]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/google-talk-about-their-windows-emulator-for-stadia-and-they-use-dxvk-already
[19:45]	TR Bot	talk about their 'Windows emulator' for Stadia and they use DXVK already | GamingOnLinux
[19:45]	MinceR	yeah, BIOS had the "problem" where the owner of the computer could replace the OS
[19:45]	DaemonFC	So if they're going to make things worse than the BIOS, they should have stopped right there.
[19:45]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: The bootloader also used BIOS interfaces
[19:46]	MinceR	imagine that, getting to use your own property the way you want!
[19:46]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> DaemonFC: The bootloader also used BIOS interfaces
[19:46]	TR News	Native GNU/Linux port https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/hyperbolica-is-a-new-non-euclidean-adventure-out-now
[19:46]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/hyperbolica-is-a-new-non-euclidean-adventure-out-now
[19:46]	TR Bot	is a new Non-Euclidean adventure out now | GamingOnLinux
[19:46]	DaemonFC	Which was a solved problem.
[19:46]	bnchs	Google talk about their 'Windows emulator'
[19:46]	DaemonFC	The code for that was already written and debugged.
[19:46]	bnchs	wine is not an emulator
[19:46]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Yeah, but the interfaces also didn't allow for >2TB disks
[19:47]	DaemonFC	They didn't need to.
[19:47]	DaemonFC	I had a 4 TB disk with the Legacy BIOS.
[19:47]	TR News	Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 3.5 beta 2 https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-3-5-beta-2 godotengine needs to get off Microsoft Github
[19:47]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-3-5-beta-2
[19:47]	MinceR	i had a windows emulator
[19:47]	TR Bot	 Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 3.5 beta 2
[19:47]	DaemonFC	The BIOS Boot specification meant that that limitation was more or less irrelevant.
[19:47]	MinceR	it consisted of the CLI and HLT instructions in the boot sector
[19:47]	DaemonFC	GRUB knows what GPT partitioning is, even on a BIOS system.
[19:47]	activelow	and legacy BIOS implemented various device drivers for usb, pata/sata, vga, serial i/o (recalling coreboot, u-boot), which are duplicated by the operating system; and "BIOS"/UEFI offer a shell
[19:47]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: It was fine as long as you could ensure that your kernel was in the <2TB region
[19:47]	DaemonFC	So only one "partition" had to make any sense to the BIOS.
[19:48]	DaemonFC	The one that GRUB was on.
[19:48]	DaemonFC	And it only neeeds to be about 1 MB.
[19:48]	TR News	The Linux Foundation wont follow its own advice or eat its own dogfood; what message does this repeatedly-condemned practice send to people out there? That Open Source isnt good enough even for the so-called Linux Foundation? http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearch_aswf_report/
[19:48]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Research ASWF Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights
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[19:48]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: Actually, no.
[19:48]	MinceR	GRUB has a fatal flaw, though -- it isn't a MICROS~1 product.
[19:48]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: BIOS doesn't have to know about any partitions.
[19:48]	MinceR	asatya nadella doesn't want you to run GRUB.
[19:48]	activelow	meaning, if such a shell was accessible (serial line) the entire system is compromised, even without access to the operating system; that's why i am wondering about the many other surveillance stuff
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[19:49]	XRevan86	It will load the first 446 bytes on the drive, and then they will find their way to the BIOS Boot Partition.
[19:49]	immibis	DaemonFC: but it was a complete mess internally because different parts of the system couldn't access the entire disk. The concept of BIOS is okay, but the implementation is full of legacy crap everyone hates
[19:49]	DaemonFC	The whole point of systemd-boot is to encourage GPL violations.
[19:49]	TR News	The EPOs handling of the Russian invasion can be summed up in one word: opportunism http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/opportunistic-patent-office/
[19:49]	DaemonFC	And I think mjg59_ is one of the promoters of that if I'm not mistaken.
[19:49]	TR Bot	 When Europes Largest Patent Office is Run by Opportunistic Politicians Who Break the Law and Look for Distractions | Techrights
[19:49]	TR News	Europes second-largest institution and Europes largest patent office is in a very bad state; but it has managed to sabotage the media, so you probably wont hear about it anywhere http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/epo-strike-media-blackout/
[19:49]	TR Bot	 The EPOs Strike That Not a Single Publisher Wants to Tell You About! | Techrights
[19:50]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: I'm not a fan of systemd-boot in the general case?
[19:50]	TR News	Just like EPO management, which works for Team UPC (the patent litigation lobby), Putins Russia recognises that nobody can stand in its way, so it might as well do whatever the Hell it wishes, irrespective of laws and constitutions, then spread a bunch of fake news http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/russia-joins-epo/
[19:50]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Russia Joins EPO (in Officially Discarding the Rule of Law) | Techrights
[19:50]	mjg59_	It solves a very narrow set of problems
[19:50]	XRevan86	Who cares about how much space of a stub partition ("protective MBR") a BIOS sees?
[19:50]	DaemonFC	If you can just get all of the GPLv3 code out of the way, then it makes life easier on the parasites.
[19:50]	DaemonFC	And that's why Apple did the GPL purge.
[19:50]	MinceR	it solves one problem: that of systemd not having a bootloader built into it
[19:51]	DaemonFC	Nobody behind systemd has shown that they can actually manage to do anything without it leaking GB of memory, opening up insane security holes, and corrupting data.
[19:51]	MinceR	or to do it properly
[19:52]	bnchs	now i wanna know this mental gym that poettering has
[19:52]	bnchs	why should a init system
[19:52]	bnchs	have a bootloader
[19:52]	DaemonFC	Rat Crap "Alleged" Enterprise Linux - Thanks to systemd you can have your alleged Enterprise Linux distro there leaking out 4 GB of RAM after running for three weeks.
[19:52]	immibis	systemd as an init system is quite reasonable. The rest of the crap behind it is not
[19:52]	MinceR	because it's not an init system
[19:52]	MinceR	it's an operating system
[19:52]	MinceR	it's a tumor that has no scope and no purpose other than growing and taking over everything
[19:52]	immibis	perhaps systemd is trying to be to your operating system what your motherboard is to your computer
[19:53]	bnchs	like poettering
[19:53]	immibis	which is to say: your motherboard *is* your computer, even though nobody thinks of it that way
[19:53]	immibis	the rest of the components are just add-on modules to your computer
[19:53]	DaemonFC	uEFI could have started over and done things right.
[19:53]	MinceR	it would have to be designed by engineers for that
[19:53]	DaemonFC	Instead it copypasted all of the dumbest shit over, verbatim, and then kept going.
[19:53]	DaemonFC	There's even legacy ACPI stuff in there from 20 years ago.
[19:54]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Like I said, I am never going to claim UEFI is good
[19:54]	DaemonFC	So there's code for motherboards that uEFI can't run on.
[19:54]	MinceR	it was designed by sociopaths who thought they didn't have sufficiently complete control over the IT industry yet
[19:54]	bnchs	poettering should be locked away with a copy of the UNIX philosopy on paper
[19:54]	bnchs	for a year
[19:54]	DaemonFC	<MinceR> it was designed by sociopaths who thought they didn't have sufficiently complete control over the IT industry yet
[19:55]	SomeH4x0r	bnchs: he will rewrite it
[19:55]	DaemonFC	Since the first release of systemd it has caused system hangs on shutdown that nobody behind it seems to care about fixing.
[19:55]	MinceR	he won't understand it
[19:55]	DaemonFC	It still does it on every syste, it runs on.
[19:55]	SomeH4x0r	make it evil
[19:55]	SomeH4x0r	and then brainwash everyone once released
[19:55]	DaemonFC	Services that are obviously frozen.
[19:55]	bnchs	yes
[19:56]	DaemonFC	The default is to wait minutes for them to shut down when they're obviously not going to.
[19:56]	bnchs	my program froze the entire system
[19:56]	bnchs	and it's not even running as root
[19:56]	MinceR	i think it's closer to wait forever
[19:56]	MinceR	i'm pretty sure i waited a pretty long time the first time i saw it do that
[19:56]	DaemonFC	systemd is because Poettering didn't think his laptop shut down enough like Windows Me did.
[19:57]	MinceR	:>
[19:57]	MinceR	the famous multiseat laptop
[19:57]	DaemonFC	You know why the multiseat thing is bullshit?
[19:57]	bnchs	whenever i shutdown my laptop
[19:57]	bnchs	it always ends with 5 seconds of systemd errors
[19:57]	bnchs	i hate it
[19:57]	DaemonFC	The public library in Marion had a multiseat GNU/Linux configuration on their public internet terminals.
[19:57]	MinceR	because deadrat started promoting it when nobody was doing it anymore
[19:58]	DaemonFC	In 2007.
[19:58]	MinceR	people used to do it well before cancerd
[19:58]	MinceR	and then computers got a lot cheaper
[19:58]	DaemonFC	It was based on Fedora and called Userful Discoverstation.
[19:58]	MinceR	but it was a fine excuse to break the way sessions work, apparently
[19:58]	MinceR	and to force polkit on people
[19:59]	immibis	and I'm sure the lessons from that system were carried forward to all future multiseat systems
[19:59]	bnchs	polkit uses javascript
[19:59]	bnchs	it has a hard dependency on mozilla JS engine
[19:59]	MinceR	running javascript as root, what could possibly go wrong?
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[20:00]	bnchs	everything
[20:00]	mjg59_	Not really?
[20:00]	bnchs	because when javascript was first designed, it was designed for websites
[20:00]	mjg59_	Javascript engines are some of the best tested code for invalid input, given what they're used for
[20:00]	bnchs	not a program that gives out root
[20:00]	TR News	 156439 | Gemini address: 156439
[20:00]	MinceR	in a daemon written by proprietarydesktop people, the mozilla js engine is probably one's least concern
[20:01]	TR News	Another Rapid Escalation: Microsoft Now Runs the Open Source Initiatives Web Site, Promoting Proprietary Software in It | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/github-drives-osi/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/github-drives-osi/
[20:01]	TR Bot	 Another Rapid Escalation: Microsoft Now Runs the Open Source Initiatives Web Site, Promoting Proprietary Software in It | Techrights
[20:01]	bnchs	function root_callback() { if ({} == "[object Object]") return true; }
[20:02]	MinceR	NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaN Batman!
[20:02]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> Javascript engines are some of the best tested code for invalid input, given what they're used for
[20:02]	DaemonFC	And they're still the source of 95% of the attack surface on a web browser.
[20:03]	bnchs	DaemonFC, turn that "web browser" into a system-critical program
[20:03]	bnchs	running as root
[20:03]	MinceR	systemd-webbrowserd?
[20:03]	bnchs	yes
[20:04]	DaemonFC	<MinceR> systemd-webbrowserd?
[20:04]	DaemonFC	The Microsoft media hasn't managed to turn bugs in Firefox into "Linux holes" yet.
[20:04]	DaemonFC	AFAIK
[20:04]	MinceR	:>
[20:08]	bnchs	systemd philo: everything must run as root
[20:08]	TR News	73,160 new COVID-19 cases in the UK this past Saturday, I believe highest since January. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/15/20-million-uk-covid19/
[20:08]	bnchs	everything must be apart of systemd and run as root
[20:08]	TR Bot	Blog Archive 20 Million Confirmed COVID-19 Infections in the UK by Weeks End
[20:10]	TR News	COVID-19 will be around and be a nuisance (death threat and show stopper) for AT LEAST 2 more years. Don't make false assumptions or plans based on unbridled optimism. Of course other issues exist, but they don't detract -- only distract -- from coronavirus. Our regimes failed us.
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[20:11]	activelow	replaced the entire sysvinit/openrc with /bin/sh as pid1; while `true` ; respawn_getty ; sleep 1 ; done
[20:11]	DaemonFC	MinceR, I like to think that the movie Con-Air takes place in the Stargate universe.
[20:11]	MinceR	lol
[20:11]	schestowitz-TR	systemd-systemd-systemd
[20:11]	MinceR	systemd-kerneld
[20:11]	activelow	at first, i was thinking openrc/sysvinit were a suitable alternative to systemd; until realizing none of this is required
[20:11]	DaemonFC	Don S. Davis appears in a short scene driving a large luxury sedan complaining that a bird just shit on it.
[20:11]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: next thing you know, they've made a bootloader, too ;-)
[20:11]	DaemonFC	"It never fails. You take it to the car wash and then a bird doo doos right on top of it."
[20:11]	MinceR	schestowitz-TR: you mean, they've assimilated a bootloader
[20:11]	DaemonFC	And then the dead body they tossed from the plane lands on his hood.
[20:12]	DaemonFC	(General Hammond)
[20:12]	MinceR	gummiboot was not a part of systemd
[20:12]	MinceR	neither was udev
[20:12]	schestowitz-TR	next up: cheap/chip design
[20:12]	MinceR	and neither was Linux
[20:12]	schestowitz-TR	systemd-POWER
[20:12]	schestowitz-TR	it comes in many colours
[20:12]	schestowitz-TR	even in white
[20:12]	MinceR	DaemonFC: lol
[20:13]	TR News	Games: ChromeOS, Hyperbolica, and Godot Engine Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162583
[20:13]	TR Bot	 Games: ChromeOS, Hyperbolica, and Godot Engine | Tux Machines
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[20:14]	activelow	udev removed too, not necessary, although device node permissions are slightly cumbersome to chmod/chown as desired
[20:15]	activelow	needless to say, wiped all UEFI support form kernel and u-boot loader too, what would this be good for?
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[20:16]	TR News	Taking security advice from the NSA? Well, if they want us to use Kubernetes, then maybe Kubernetes does not exactly enhance security (or worse yet -- it undermines it) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/15/updated-kubernetes-hardening-guide see http://techrights.org/2013/11/17/nils-torvalds-on-back-doors/
[20:16]	TR Bot	 Updated: Kubernetes Hardening Guide | CISA
[20:16]	TR Bot	 Confirmed by Nils Torvalds: NSA Asked Linus Torvalds for Back Doors in Linux, Torvalds Did Not Tell Us | Techrights
[20:16]	activelow	instead of secure-boot, i'll rely on custom compression of root.squashfs, which isn't enterprise scale of IBM Wintel mindset
[20:16]	TR News	Canonical selling complexity for "clown" era https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-are-linux-containers
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[20:17]	TR Bot	are Linux containers? | Ubuntu
[20:17]	TR News	CloudReady 96.4.6 https://www.neverware.com/
[20:17]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: neverware.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.neverware.com/
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[20:18]	activelow	anyway, with GCC (any later than v4.7) and Linux (any later than v5.10LTS) arrived where i won't follow along anymore;
[20:18]	mjg59_	bnchs: How does an attacker get arbitrary javascript into polkit?
[20:19]	mjg59_	You need untrusted input for there it to be a realistic attack vector
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[20:20]	TR News	"In this video, I am going to show an overview of Zorin OS 16.1 core and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9tiSRbhbQq4
[20:21]	TR Bot	 Zorin OS 16.1 Core overview | Make your computer better. - Invidious
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[20:21]	activelow	Eurofighter (equipped with MC68000 which Verilog and similar are available for) was put into operation 2006, few years later Intel plans to build some factory in east-germany and F-35 acquisition is announced
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[20:21]	activelow	Airbus chose SPARC Leon, too available as softcore for FPGA deployment
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[20:21]	TR News	10 Things You Can Do on Linux but Not on Windows Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162584
[20:21]	TR Bot	 10 Things You Can Do on Linux but Not on Windows | Tux Machines
[20:22]	TR News	10 Must Have GNOME Shell Extensions for Customizing Your Linux Desktop in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162585
[20:22]	TR Bot	 10 Must Have GNOME Shell Extensions for Customizing Your Linux Desktop in 2022 | Tux Machines
[20:22]	activelow	however i think none of this is fully compliant with free/opensource... digging deeper... Z80/Gigatron/MyCPU.eu ... this is it nowadays, as far as freedom is concerned, some late 1970s early 1980s designs
[20:23]	activelow	the z80 clone manufacturing in east-germany is defunct since 1990, sadly
[20:23]	activelow	some manufacturing is remaing in White-Russia, including TTL 7400 series type chips
[20:24]	activelow	and anything else isn't of particular interest anymore, concernign freedom made in Pentagon/RAND corp. USA
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[20:28]	TR News	9 Best Free and Open Source Lightweight Graphical Web Browsers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162586
[20:28]	TR Bot	 9 Best Free and Open Source Lightweight Graphical Web Browsers | Tux Machines
[20:30]	DaemonFC	MinceR, The Star Trek: TNG episode "Data's Day", got remastered and revealed something pretty gross.
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[20:30]	DaemonFC	After Data replicated some cat food for Spot and set it on the floor, there's a bug crawling around in the cat food.
[20:31]	DaemonFC	Not visible in the DVD or VHS versions.
[20:32]	TR News	#HowTo Use SongRec: The Best Shazam Client for Identifying Songs on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162587
[20:32]	TR Bot	 How to Use SongRec: The Best Shazam Client for Identifying Songs on Linux | Tux Machines
[20:35]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162588
[20:35]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[20:37]	TR News	This spinning disk produces animations using a single LED | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/15/this-spinning-disk-produces-animations-using-a-single-led/
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[20:37]	TR Bot	 This spinning disk produces animations using a single LED | Arduino Blog
[20:37]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-28-memes-12.jpg
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[20:37]	TR News	Arduino device uses tinyML to help wearers recover from shoulder injury | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/15/arduino-device-uses-tinyml-to-help-wearers-recover-from-shoulder-injury/
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[20:37]	TR Bot	 Arduino device uses tinyML to help wearers recover from shoulder injury | Arduino Blog
[20:38]	TR News	"I'm super excited: I received print proof prototypes for Pepper&Carrot book 4. In English from DriveThrucomics and in French from Glnat, the two almost in sync. They both looks perfect! They'll be available at the same time next week, I'm working on the release." https://www.davidrevoy.com/article900/book-4-print-proof-prototypes
[20:38]	TR Bot	 Book 4 print-proof prototypes - David Revoy
[20:40]	TR News	"On February 8, Robert Sirchia and I taught a Master Class for the SUSE and Rancher Community that explained how to use K3s with Traefik Proxy." OMG! He said "master"!!! https://www.suse.com/c/new-on-demand-class-secure-the-edge-with-k3s-and-traefik-proxy/
[20:40]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/new-on-demand-class-secure-the-edge-with-k3s-and-traefik-proxy/
[20:40]	TR Bot	on-demand class: Secure the Edge with K3s and Traefik Proxy | SUSE Communities
[20:41]	immibis	mjg59_: isn't polkit something whose entire reason for existing is to communicate with untrusted processes?
[20:41]	TR News	"In my previous blog, I mentioned the initialization of the Left / Right click activity inside GCompris and its basic layout." https://samarthrajwrites.wordpress.com/2022/03/15/sok22-week-8-random-and-uniform-placement-of-the-animal-cards/
[20:41]	TR Bot	 SoK22 Week 8: Random and Uniform Placement of the Animal Cards Samarth raj
[20:42]	immibis	activelow: having a list of running background services is pretty useful. also the separate log for each one is pretty useful. systemd does that, init does not. Someone could write this in a way that isn't systemd though
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[20:42]	TR News	Raspberry Pi CM4 powered gateway with dual M.2 B-key slots starts at $333 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162589
[20:43]	mjg59_	immibis: Yes, through a defined interface. The javascript is behind that interface.
[20:43]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi CM4 powered gateway with dual M.2 B-key slots starts at $333 | Tux Machines
[20:43]	immibis	so it sends untrusted input to javascript
[20:43]	mjg59_	immibis: Websites get to just give you whatever javascript they want you to execute - there's no way for a polkit client to pass arbitrary javascript to the privileged daemon
[20:44]	mjg59_	I'd rather pass untrusted input to javascript than pass untrusted input to C
[20:44]	DaemonFC	This is why web browsers suck.
[20:44]	DaemonFC	It's something bad every month. It's all reactionary.
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[20:44]	MinceR	i'm sure the extremely eager type conversion isn't going to cause any problems with that
[20:45]	activelow	immibis: ps ax, top/htop, and metalog; did i miss anything?
[20:46]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162590
[20:46]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[20:46]	mjg59_	If you look at Polkit's CVE history, it's pretty clear that javascript is not a terribly pressing security concern
[20:47]	MinceR	like i said, the rest is probably even worse
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[20:48]	mjg59_	Turns out we probably shouldn't write security-critical code in C!
[20:48]	MinceR	turns out we shouldn't run security-critical code from ibm/deadrat or proprietarydesktop
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[20:49]	mjg59_	I'd be fascinated to see evidence that it's worse than any other average piece of security-critical code
[20:50]	MinceR	they should put that on the box, it's a glowing recommendation
[20:53]	TR News	Containers and Kubernetes: Canonical. NSA, and SUSE Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162591
[20:53]	TR Bot	 Containers and Kubernetes: Canonical. NSA, and SUSE | Tux Machines
[20:54]	schestowitz-TR	companies need to invest more in tsting
[20:54]	schestowitz-TR	but managers only care about money
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[20:54]	schestowitz-TR	they cannot 'grasp' "the real world"
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[20:54]	schestowitz-TR	the zero-days are not "in this current quarter"
[20:55]	schestowitz-TR	it compiles? SHIP!!!
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[20:57]	TR News	The OSI has quit pretending that it has a mind of its own; check the names of blog authors (yes, its Microsoft and GitHub is proprietary software) http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/github-drives-osi/
[20:57]	TR Bot	 Another Rapid Escalation: Microsoft Now Runs the Open Source Initiatives Web Site, Promoting Proprietary Software in It | Techrights
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[20:59]	immibis	activelow: automation?
[20:59]		*activelow shrugs
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[21:00]	activelow	there's an rc.init script, and this automates pretty much all that's necessary during boot
[21:01]	activelow	with the difference, i wiped dozens of millions of lines of code and don't miss anything yet
[21:01]	schestowitz	https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202203 https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202203
[21:01]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: statcounter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202203
[21:01]	TR Bot	 Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
[21:01]	TR Bot	 Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
[21:01]	schestowitz	windows down again this month
[21:02]	SomeH4x0r	disabled Windows Defender on Windows 10 through group policy, it says like its own registry key is malware
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[21:10]	psydroid2	they started pushing Vista 11 and then people didn't like it and started moving away from it?
[21:10]	bnchs	windows is down
[21:10]	bnchs	because microsoft keeps doing stupid shit
[21:11]	bnchs	<psydroid2> they started pushing Vista 11 and then people didn't like it and started moving away from it?
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	exactly
[21:11]	bnchs	nobody would like ads in their file manager
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	and they wasted billions of "marketing"
[21:11]	schestowitz-TR	(lies)
[21:11]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/vista-11-hoax/
[21:12]	TR Bot	 Proof That Windows 11 is a Hoax | Techrights
[21:12]	bnchs	it seems like GNU/Linux is rising a bit
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	doesn't matter
[21:12]	bnchs	and mac is rising alot
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	Android is also "Linux" 
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	technically
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	but not freedom
[21:12]	schestowitz-TR	chromeOS is not freedom either
[21:13]	schestowitz	This is what "Linux" channels promote this evening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EywWnfKw5Uc
[21:13]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EywWnfKw5Uc
[21:13]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | How to install Minecraft on Zorin OS 16 - Invidious
[21:13]	schestowitz	maybe they think this is "OK"
[21:13]	bnchs	minecraft [java edition]
[21:13]	bnchs	thats good
[21:13]	schestowitz	Planet Fedora moments ago https://fedorafans.com/%DA%86%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4%D9%86%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%DA%A9/
[21:13]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: fedorafans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fedorafans.com/%DA%86%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4%D9%86%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%DA%A9/
[21:13]	TR Bot	 | 
[21:13]	schestowitz	not even on topic
[21:13]	bnchs	as long as it's not bedrock (aka microsoft's own version) edition
[21:13]	schestowitz	not english either
[21:13]	schestowitz	fedora is on fire
[21:14]	bnchs	schestowitz, fedora got hacked by ISIS
[21:14]	schestowitz	bnchs: it's not free software, minetest would be better
[21:14]	bnchs	yes minetest would be better
[21:14]	bnchs	minetest > minecraft java edition > minecraft bedrock edition
[21:14]	schestowitz	no, fedora seems to be US Imperislism http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
[21:14]	TR Bot	 Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights
[21:14]	immibis	activelow: see, rc.init doesn't automatically restart something that crashes, unless it keeps crashing
[21:14]	schestowitz	and ICBM is ruining Red Hat
[21:15]	schestowitz	ISBM already killed centos
[21:15]	schestowitz	the board of CentOS fled
[21:15]	schestowitz	and they put some token placeholder to pretend there's still such a distro
[21:15]	bnchs	schestowitz, that blog post you made
[21:15]	bnchs	it was published by hos7ein 
[21:16]	bnchs	https://fedorafans.com/author/dhtmagmag/
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[21:16]	TR Bot	 hos7ein | 
[21:16]	bnchs	who's also known for this
[21:16]	bnchs	https://fedorafans.com/%db%8c%d9%84%d8%af%d8%a7-%d9%85%d8%a8%d8%a7%d8%b1%da%a9-4/
[21:16]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: fedorafans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fedorafans.com/%db%8c%d9%84%d8%af%d8%a7-%d9%85%d8%a8%d8%a7%d8%b1%da%a9-4/
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[21:18]	MinceR	https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/adg1j7V_700bwp.webp
[21:18]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: 9cache.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/adg1j7V_700bwp.webp
[21:18]	TR News	Gulag is evil. We all need to leave Gulag behind. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hatuAtICv_U
[21:19]	TR Bot	 YouTube Vanced Is Dead And Google Killed It - Invidious
[21:19]	bnchs	the joke is
[21:20]	bnchs	youtube vanced is a modification of gulag's proprietary gulagtube client
[21:20]	bnchs	they would have already gotten sued
[21:20]	bnchs	it was just delayed
[21:20]	TR News	Like ICBM with Fedora "badges", Gulag gives fake "badges" instead of real money to the tenants of the Gulag, who do ALL the ACTUAL worj https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9cKs52pdIG8
[21:20]	TR Bot	 Unboxing Silver Play Button And The Journey To Get Here - Invidious
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[21:28]	activelow	immibis: true. although i do not miss this feature yet; and process supervision isn't too difficult, if desired.
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[21:28]	TR News	What Is the Yggdrasil Network and #HowTo Install It Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162592
[21:28]	TR Bot	 What Is the Yggdrasil Network and How to Install It | Tux Machines
[21:31]	TR News	Microsoft friendly media finding new excuses to recycle last week's panic http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162251#comment-33071 see http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/a-media-of-masturbating-monkeys/
[21:31]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:31]	TR Bot	 This is the Medias Equivalent of What Linus Torvalds Called Masturbating Monkeys | Techrights
[21:32]	TR News	SJVN nowadays PARTICIPATES in the FUD attacks on "LINUX". Well, look who pays his salary...
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[21:33]	TR News	SJVN actually USED to promote GNU/Linux, but when funded by Microsoft ICBM his agenda is altered to secure a salary
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[21:35]	TR News	Maybe we should spent the next 10 years, every day, naming one of 3,650 devices that run Linux and are affected by LOCAL priv escalation bug, which was already resolved before it was announced http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/a-media-of-masturbating-monkeys/
[21:35]	TR News	Ballmer would have thrown a chair https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-For-Chrome-OS
[21:35]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-For-Chrome-OS
[21:35]	TR Bot	Finally Announces Steam For Chrome OS - Phoronix
[21:37]	AdmFubar	https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/stephen-hawking-death-anniversary-here-are-some-of-his-groundbreaking-theories-10451361.html
[21:37]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: firstpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/stephen-hawking-death-anniversary-here-are-some-of-his-groundbreaking-theories-10451361.html
[21:37]	TR Bot	Hawking death anniversary: Here are some of his groundbreaking theories- Technology News, Firstpost
[21:38]	TR News	A real problem... while corrupt media is busy scratching its behind over some LOCAL priv escalation bug that was fixed more than a week ago https://lwn.net/Articles/887970/
[21:38]	TR Bot	remotely exploitable OpenSSL/LibreSSL vulnerability [LWN.net]
[21:38]	immibis	activelow: you have to reimplement it for every process
[21:38]	TR News	The real security problem is Microsoft; watch this list https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/15/cisa-adds-15-known-exploited-vulnerability-catalog
[21:38]	TR Bot	 CISA Adds 15 Known Exploited Vulnerability to Catalog | CISA
[21:38]	immibis	LWN is the real news for nerds, stuff that matters
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[21:38]	immibis	well, a DoS, that's significantly less bad than heartbleed
[21:39]	immibis	you can crash almost any server running openssl so that's fun
[21:39]	immibis	internet goes down for a day until everyone updates
[21:39]	immibis	NSA could intercept all our traffic and crash all our clients
[21:40]	TR News	Russia loves Microsoft Windows because it puts plenty of holes in its targets https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/15/russian-state-sponsored-cyber-actors-access-network-misconfigured http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
[21:40]	TR Bot	 Russian State-Sponsored Cyber Actors Access Network Misconfigured with Default MFA Protocols | CISA
[21:40]	TR Bot	 Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights
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[21:40]	activelow	immibis: no, not necessary; and with systemd or any other init system crash/restart behaviour needs to be administered too, no difference in this regard
[21:41]	TR News	Did ICBM pay him to say this? This vlogger takes tons of bribes, even got banned for it already. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=D9h_0dnSGWk
[21:41]	TR Bot	 Fedora is the new Ubuntu - Fedora Long Term Review - Invidious
[21:42]	TR News	You cannot trust anybody on 'You'Tube http://techrights.org/2022/03/12/on-influencers/
[21:42]	TR Bot	 Circle of YouTube Influencers | Techrights
[21:42]	activelow	and if anything crashes, often this requires an administrator to see what and why it crashed
[21:43]	TR News	How much does 'Linux' Foundation pay this site for such puff pieces? https://sdtimes.com/softwaredev/linux-foundation-launches-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp/ promoting the diploma mills: http://techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/
[21:43]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: sdtimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sdtimes.com/softwaredev/linux-foundation-launches-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp/
[21:43]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation launches cloud native developer bootcamp - SD Times
[21:43]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation and Other Diploma Mills Say Theres Demand for Their Products in Their New Research (Marketing) | Techrights
[21:44]	MinceR	does chrom{e,ium} os include systemd yet?
[21:44]	schestowitz-TR	chromeos does not bootm with systemd
[21:44]	schestowitz-TR	iirc, it uses upstart 
[21:44]	MinceR	so they'll make steam work without systemd?
[21:44]	schestowitz-TR	or the older debian init system
[21:44]	MinceR	upstart is canonical, not deadian
[21:44]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: maybe they has changed 
[21:44]	schestowitz-TR	yes, I know
[21:45]	MinceR	weird
[21:47]	immibis	activelow: of course you want to restart sshd if it crashes
[21:48]	TR News	Security: OpenSSL/LibreSSL Denial-of-service Vulnerability and Massive Microsoft Holes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162593
[21:48]	TR Bot	 Security: OpenSSL/LibreSSL Denial-of-service Vulnerability and Massive Microsoft Holes | Tux Machines
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[21:50]	TR News	Videos: Vanced, Zorin OS, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162594
[21:50]	TR Bot	 Videos: Vanced, Zorin OS, and More | Tux Machines
[21:52]	XRevan86	https://mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/live-ukraine-putin-war-russia-26459157
[21:52]	TR Bot	 Ukraine Russia war LIVE: Kim Jong-un refuses 'insane' plea amid Putin's nuke threat - World News - Mirror Online
[21:52]	activelow	immibis: or press reset button; that's why, data-centers often use KVM and/or serial line terminal or similar anyway, if something networking related is down
[21:54]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162595
[21:54]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:55]	TR News	Links 15/3/2022: Steam on ChromeOS and Lightweight Graphical Web Browsers | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lightweight-graphical-web-browsers/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/lightweight-graphical-web-browsers/
[21:55]	TR Bot	 Links 15/3/2022: Steam on ChromeOS and Lightweight Graphical Web Browsers | Techrights
[21:58]	TR News	Anything to distract from absolutely appalling news about Microsoft holes and exploits, in media that's partly controlled by Microsoft https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-linux-botnet-exploits-log4j-uses-dns-tunneling-for-comms/
[21:58]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-linux-botnet-exploits-log4j-uses-dns-tunneling-for-comms/
[21:58]	TR Bot	 New Linux botnet exploits Log4J, uses DNS tunneling for comms
[21:59]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: mirror is not reliable
[21:59]	schestowitz-TR	labour tabloid
[21:59]	schestowitz-TR	they likely exaqggerate things
[21:59]	schestowitz-TR	like some russian sites
[21:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.15 k/sec., IPFS upstream 14.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.54
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[22:00]	TR News	Go 1.18 is released! - The Go Programming Language Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162596
[22:00]	TR Bot	 Go 1.18 is released! - The Go Programming Language | Tux Machines
[22:01]	TR News	A lot of the people in change of CentOS have left. ICBM nuked it. https://blog.centos.org/2022/03/centos-community-newsletter-march-2022/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=centos-community-newsletter-march-2022
[22:01]	TR Bot	Community Newsletter, March 2022 Blog.CentOS.org
[22:01]	TR News	Changing the subject? To distract from Microsoft back doors? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162593#comment-33073
[22:01]	TR Bot	 Security: OpenSSL/LibreSSL Denial-of-service Vulnerability and Massive Microsoft Holes | Tux Machines
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[22:03]	TR News	Thugs from ICBM are trying very hard today to pose as an ethical company (several examples of this so far). Thugs. Mayne timed to coincide with an embarrassing decision showing that Red Hat attacks the community? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-academys-efforts-improve-representation-and-inclusivity-tech-industry
[22:03]	TR Bot	 Bringing more voices to the table: Red Hat Academys efforts to improve representation and inclusivity in the tech industry
[22:04]	mjg59_	schestowitz-TR: Are you really trying to argue that Pocock is representative of the community?
[22:05]	TR News	ICBM: let's deplatform techrights? http://techrights.org/2022/01/18/ibm-censorship/
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[22:05]	TR Bot	 Someone Is Very Desperate to Knock My Account Off Twitter | Techrights
[22:05]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Dang, "Kim Jong-un has reportedly" <- they're no help.
[22:06]	TR News	ICBM has spent all its time since buying Red Hat basically nuking the very core of GNU/Linux, hoping that from remnants and pieces it can somehow scoop up a monopoly (which is what IBM once had) http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/
[22:06]	TR Bot	 IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights
[22:06]	XRevan86	https://nitter.eu/XSovietNews/status/1503843021405802502
[22:06]	TR Bot	 X Soviet (@XSovietNews): "I made up a joke about North Korea calling Russia too insane and the Mirror reported it as fact. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kim-jong-un-humiliates-vladimir-26474461" | nitter
[22:06]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Good call.
[22:06]	schestowitz-TR	Kim REPORTEDLY eats babies
[22:07]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: I said to rioanne
[22:07]	schestowitz-TR	on the day of the invasion
[22:07]	schestowitz-TR	don't read to me any billBC or others
[22:07]	schestowitz-TR	as it's all propaganda
[22:07]	schestowitz-TR	the russian and the western
[22:07]	schestowitz-TR	at times of war all the national broadcasters are worse than farc
[22:07]	schestowitz-TR	that has proved to be true
[22:08]	schestowitz-TR	meduza is still ok
[22:08]	XRevan86	schestowitz: I caught it as translation into Russian. I reported the issue to the news reposter.
[22:08]	schestowitz-TR	but not publishing in english lately, or barely
[22:08]	XRevan86	Most Russian speaking websites have Ctrl+Enter reporting, really nifty sometimes.
[22:08]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: when "journalists" take "tweets" as facts
[22:08]	schestowitz-TR	and write for clicks
[22:08]	DaemonFC	Walmart raised Softsoap 50 ounce refills from $3.98 to $5. Well, there's something else.
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[22:09]	DaemonFC	But iBotta has a $1.25 rebate up to 5.
[22:09]	DaemonFC	Maybe I'll stock up. I use that in the shower.
[22:09]	schestowitz-TR	botta?
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[22:10]	schestowitz-TR	butta thought it was a bad name
[22:10]	schestowitz-TR	don't drop the soap
[22:10]	schestowitz-TR	people will see your botta
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[22:13]	TR News	PostgreSQL-Related Releases: pgAdmin, Anonymizer, pg_dumpbinary Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162597
[22:13]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL-Related Releases: pgAdmin, Anonymizer, pg_dumpbinary | Tux Machines
[22:14]	TR News	Ubuntu GNU/Linux in there... https://www.joplinglobe.com/region/national_business/dt-research-delivers-the-most-comprehensive-line-of-healthcare-computing-solutions-purpose-built-for-diverse/article_e61dccf3-b91b-5373-b7fe-7362b04d839a.html
[22:14]	TR Bot	Research Delivers the Most Comprehensive Line of Healthcare Computing Solutions Purpose-built for Diverse Medical Environments | National Business | joplinglobe.com
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[22:16]	TR News	"But recently, I decided I needed to cut as many non-free software from my life as possible, including macOS" gemini://avalos.me/gemlog/2021-05-28-new-computer-new-age.gmi
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[22:18]	TR News	"I have decided to term the spaces where you are being bugged as bugspace." Social control media. gemini://gemini.ucant.org/gemlog/2020-12-28_bugspace.gmi
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[22:23]	TR News	Debian developer demoted, quits after two decades with project Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162598 The 'anti-harassment' harasses innocent people, ruins the project http://techrights.org/2022/01/14/debian-social-contract/
[22:23]	TR Bot	 Debian developer demoted, quits after two decades with project | Tux Machines
[22:23]	TR Bot	 Scientific Excellence and the Debian Social Contract | Techrights
[22:24]	TR News	'Linux' Foundation. Acting more like Microsoft proxy than a guardian of security https://www.cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/linux-foundation-census-of-open-source-software-libraries-identifying-vulnerabilities-in-the-most-common-components-of-foss/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/07/marketing-with-microsoft-npm/
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[22:24]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/linux-foundation-census-of-open-source-software-libraries-identifying-vulnerabilities-in-the-most-common-components-of-foss/ )
[22:24]	TR Bot	 The Studies of Linux Foundation Research Based on Data From Microsoft and Experts in Adobe, Not Open Source | Techrights
[22:25]	TR News	"It is an introduction to doing Internet transfers using libcurl, may 30-35 minutes presentation followed by a Q&A session where I can answer all and any questions you may have." cURL needs to delete Microsoft GitHub. Unhealthy relationship. https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/15/webinar-getting-started-with-libcurl/
[22:25]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/15/webinar-getting-started-with-libcurl/
[22:25]	TR Bot	getting started with libcurl | daniel.haxx.se
[22:27]	TR News	This week or next week techrighs exceeds 33,000 blog posts
[22:28]	TR News	Techrights traffic this past month (31 days): 3.3MB/sec.
[22:28]	TR News	Some time this month the Gemini capsule of techrights will exceed 40k pages.
[22:30]	TR News	In geminispace fewer than 1% of capsules uses non-SHA256 encryption gemini://botond.online/en/stats/
[22:31]	TR News	"Hiawatha is a lightweight Web server with a variety of features that distinguish it from heavyweights such as Apache." gemini://galaxyhub.uk/articles/hiawatha.gmi
[22:33]	TR News	Words? Good. Now follow up with more actions. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/02/07/white-house-task-force-on-worker-organizing-and-empowerment-report/
[22:33]	TR Bot	 White House Task Force on Worker Organizing and Empowerment Report | The White House
[22:36]	TR News	ICBM outsourced a lot of Fedora to Amazon!!! Yes, Amazon. ICBM : buy our CLOWN. But we do NOT trust OUR OWN Clown! So we send it to AWS http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/aws-fedoraproject/ earlier today ICBM also sent Opensource.com to Amazon AWS. Rejecting their OWN dogfood.
[22:36]	TR Bot	 It Looks Like Red Hats (IBM) Fedora Project May be Outsourced to Amazons Datacentres | Techrights
[22:36]	TR News	ICBM has also been busy trying to nuke (take offline) its critics who merely point out facts about ICBM http://techrights.org/2022/01/19/watson-pr/
[22:36]	TR Bot	 Another Video IBM Does Not Want You to Watch | Techrights
[22:37]	immibis_	vimeo makes uploaders pay for storage and bandwidth consumed by people who watch their videos. now you know why youtube has ads
[22:38]	immibis_	does schestowitz have a snarky backronym for TPM?
[22:38]	TR News	ICBM killed CentOS. Hours ago: "Sadly, we did not attract new volunteers to contribute to the SIGs" https://blog.centos.org/2022/03/centos-community-newsletter-march-2022/ nobody wants to be a "Slave" of ICBM. People aren't stupid. They watch closely the behaviour of the steward. Even Jim AllowHurst has left.
[22:38]	TR Bot	Community Newsletter, March 2022 Blog.CentOS.org
[22:39]	schestowitz-TR	immibis_: you can suggest one such backronym
[22:39]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/sUpHpCd.jpeg
[22:39]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/sUpHpCd.jpeg
[22:39]	schestowitz-TR	I never thought of one
[22:39]	schestowitz-TR	but the T is problematic
[22:39]	MinceR	treacherous
[22:39]	schestowitz-TR	so usually you would twist the T or use scare quotes
[22:40]	schestowitz-TR	iirc, FSF still says "treacherous" 
[22:40]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: beat me to it
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[22:42]	TR News	IBM gets rid of old workers not because they're "lazy" or "need upskilling" but because it can hire young people in India for a little fraction of the "dinobaby" salary ($15,009/annum instead of $150,000). The media doesn't want to say it because it's "racist"... like IBM http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Ageism
[22:42]	TR Bot	 IBM - Techrights
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[22:44]	TR News	BUT OK then... if ICBM wants to be a company of drones who say "DevOps" and "AIOps" and "clown" it won't be a "smart" decision. Because ICBM is already not competitive and the geniuses it got onboard by buying Red Hat are rapidly leaving, including the managers (lots of them left).
[22:45]	TR News	ICBM is also very tactless for STILL calling some of its products "WATSON" (as if people cannot study history) http://techrights.org/2020/07/25/watson-offensive/
[22:45]	TR Bot	 Watson is a Lot More Offensive Than Whitelist and Master | Techrights
[22:46]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.eu/Wikinaut/status/1503824207641198595#m
[22:46]	TR Bot	 Wikinaut (@Wikinaut): "cc "">@zoobab @schestowitz @KonstantinNotz Do you already have any information on that (Russia leaving these IP treaties)?" | nitter
[22:46]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.eu/KreissignalSh3/status/1503828734146662403#m
[22:46]	TR Bot	 (@KreissignalSh3): "No, but a country with no patent laws, as suggested upthread, cannot in good faith remain in WIPO and/or the Paris Convention, for obvious reasons. If theyre just planning on playing fast & loose with national IP held by non-Russians, then its a different ballgame." | nitter
[22:46]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.eu/Wikinaut/status/1503826317183180805#m
[22:46]	TR Bot	 Wikinaut (@Wikinaut): "Status Russian Federation: https://wipolex.wipo.int/en/treaties/ShowResults?country_id=147C" | nitter
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[22:48]	XRevan86	"Looks like they're moving closer to self sustainability." <- hahahaha
[22:48]	TR News	"The UN went gloves-off on AI last month, with High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet calling for a moratorium on the use and sale of any [HEY HI] (algorithmic) systems that threaten human rights." gemini://galaxyhub.uk/articles/ai.gmi
[22:48]	XRevan86	No comment.
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[22:50]	TR News	"This is an older screenshot taken from my wife's phone during an attempt at reading an article. I measured the amount of actual readable content. It's not even 15% of the screen. We are well past the point of inducing a seizure." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-01-31-re-ads-what-ads.gmi
[22:51]	XRevan86	https://smbc-comics.com/comic/bah-3 science!
[22:51]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Bah
[22:52]	TR News	Perl Weekly Challenge 156: Pernicious and Weird Numbers http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/03/perl-weekly-challenge-156-pernicious-and-weird-numbers.html
[22:52]	TR Bot	Weekly Challenge 156: Pernicious and Weird Numbers | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
[22:52]	XRevan86	https://yewtu.be/xjfn1-AJA8E?t=87 (no reason)
[22:53]	TR Bot	 Rocket Surgery - Invidious
[22:53]	schestowitz	[22:48] <XRevan86> "Looks like they're moving closer to self sustainability." <- hahahaha
[22:53]	schestowitz	where from?
[22:54]	schestowitz	self-nuke?
[22:54]	XRevan86	https://nitter.eu/Nick_Boro1/status/1503539176632901636#m from here
[22:54]	TR Bot	 Nick Dampier (@Nick_Boro1): "No patent laws exist in Russia now. They can have their research teams engineer the parts they need. Looks like they're moving closer to self sustainability." | nitter
[22:55]	XRevan86	Lots of replies that can boil down to "hahahaha" as well.
[22:55]	schestowitz-TR	there is truth to that
[22:55]	schestowitz-TR	but I would not phrase it like that
[22:55]	schestowitz-TR	watching your video
[22:55]	schestowitz-TR	the animation
[22:56]	XRevan86	Just a few seconds of it are relevant :)
[22:56]	immibis_	turd poop module if you are 12
[22:56]	XRevan86	The voice acting is from Borderlands: The Presequel, I've no idea about the game but I like the voice acting anyway :)
[22:56]	immibis_	https://www.patreon.com/posts/vimeo-is-holding-61514364
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[22:57]	immibis_	title: "Vimeo is holding our Patreon catalogue hostage"
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[22:57]	schestowitz	wait
[22:57]	schestowitz	are you saying that video hosting sites lack a business model? ;-)
[22:57]	immibis	well, youtube has one. ads and data
[22:58]	immibis	turns out, it is ads and data, excessive fees, or eating the rich
[22:58]	schestowitz	"Pay Vimeo between $8,000-$9000 a year, or our account will be deactivated and all videos hosted through Vimeo will be gone. Their figure for a 2 year plan is $16,500"
[22:58]	schestowitz	LOL
[22:58]	schestowitz	enjoy!!!
[22:58]	schestowitz	immibis: how do you know:
[22:58]	schestowitz	1) gulagtube is profitable
[22:59]	schestowitz	2) gulagtube is profitable AND not losing users due to it?
[22:59]	immibis	why would gulagtube still exist if it was not
[22:59]	schestowitz	3) gulagtube will continue to be profitable
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[22:59]	MinceR	because gulag can afford to maintain it at a loss
[22:59]	immibis	they either expect profit now or later
[22:59]	schestowitz	for similarity (1-3), look back at what Twitter did in 2018
[22:59]	schestowitz	you might 'cash in' for a few quarter and then the users flee
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[23:00]	schestowitz	immibis: no
[23:00]	schestowitz	it's also politically strategic
[23:00]	schestowitz	a lot of tech companies are maintained by loans from the American taxpayers
[23:00]	schestowitz	national dent
[23:00]	immibis	oh they want to usher in the communist new world order where you'll own nothing and be happy?
[23:00]	schestowitz	they keep infusing money to keep a lid on other superpowers
[23:00]	schestowitz	otherwise china/tiktok can have leverage over minds
[23:01]	schestowitz	related to this concept
[23:01]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_dominance?wprov=srpw1_0
[23:01]	TR Bot	 Full-spectrum dominance - Wikipedia
[23:01]	schestowitz	but on a more mental/sympathetic level
[23:01]	schestowitz	like funding radio channels in eastern europe
[23:01]	schestowitz	gulagtube was not proftable wqhen it was sold
[23:01]	schestowitz	GitHub = same
[23:02]	schestowitz	so they allegedly paid billions (in paper) for staff and a losing operation
[23:02]	schestowitz	hoping to turn that into money, power, or both
[23:02]	schestowitz	or into "too big to fail"
[23:02]	immibis	tech companies pay for users they can extort money from later
[23:02]	schestowitz	that too
[23:02]	schestowitz	IF they can turn them into paying clients
[23:02]	schestowitz	and that's a big IF
[23:02]	schestowitz	many fail
[23:03]	schestowitz	I looked into LBRY too years ago
[23:03]	schestowitz	it was ugly
[23:03]	schestowitz	so we only self-host the videos
[23:03]	schestowitz	more and more sites do this now
[23:03]	schestowitz	the football clubs started hosting their own audio/video
[23:03]	XRevan86	It's flawed as heck but it's not ugly, at least not anymore.
[23:04]	schestowitz	RT based a lot of its stuff on US services/disservices
[23:04]	schestowitz	because they're naive
[23:04]	schestowitz	RT is a rogue actor
[23:04]	schestowitz	rogue and stupid is a good mix
[23:04]	XRevan86	Or they didn't expect that shit would hit the fan.
[23:04]	immibis	RT is not stupid
[23:04]	schestowitz	because the rogue gets undermined by its own lack of foresight
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[23:04]	schestowitz	RT and other rogues were relying too much on Gulagtube
[23:05]	schestowitz	and cranks like Ike, Alex Jones etc.
[23:05]	immibis	gotta go where the users are
[23:05]	schestowitz	Gulag also shut down more moderate voices like Corbet Report
[23:05]	schestowitz	and they keep sweeping closer and closer to the center
[23:05]	schestowitz	is CCTV (China) banned yet? Or just flagged?
[23:06]	schestowitz	immibis: until you "go"
[23:06]	MinceR	LBRY was replaced by odysee, which doesn't serve video streams anymore
[23:06]	MinceR	even the main page is sluggish
[23:06]	schestowitz	"go" into /dev/null
[23:06]	schestowitz	odysee is making its issues shallow to see
[23:06]	schestowitz	inc. some rather tasteless recommendation
[23:06]	schestowitz	even worse than gulag's
[23:07]	schestowitz	it's going down the bin or the binshute
[23:07]	schestowitz	*chute
[23:07]	schestowitz	liveleaks is dead btw
[23:07]	MinceR	i haven't tried BitchUte yet
[23:07]	schestowitz	there's no business model in hosting videos for OTHER people whose work YOU do not care for
[23:07]	schestowitz	that's why so many social control media sites are shutting down
[23:08]	schestowitz	they are all ticking time bombs
[23:08]	TR News	Atari VCS Review: Niche, But Fine (If You Can Afford It) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162599
[23:08]	TR Bot	 Atari VCS Review: Niche, But Fine (If You Can Afford It) | Tux Machines
[23:08]	schestowitz	many sites outsourced to clownflare
[23:08]	schestowitz	that dependency is, for now, less risky
[23:09]	schestowitz	because bypassing that is doable
[23:09]	schestowitz	but down the lane clownflare will look to 'cash in'... somehow
[23:09]	schestowitz	even bezos clown services (AWS) are squeezing charities now
[23:09]	schestowitz	we see them struggling
[23:09]	schestowitz	and then bezos turns up the heat on them
[23:09]	schestowitz	no more free plans
[23:10]	schestowitz	after they had put proprietary hooks in place for aws
[23:10]	XRevan86	https://nitter.eu/Rogozin/status/1503804239155449860 god-like English
[23:10]	TR Bot	 (@Rogozin): "The European Union has banned the supply of black caviar to Russia. They no longer know what to forbid to supply to us. They banned the supply of black caviar to Russia, which we ourselves supplied to them before!" | nitter
[23:11]	schestowitz	lol
[23:11]	schestowitz	Punish the Rushans
[23:11]	schestowitz	"oh wait"
[23:11]	XRevan86	Dimitry Rogozin's Twitter is a sight to observe.
[23:12]	immibis	schestowitz: wdym? you pay cloudflare. they get paid. for their services
[23:12]	schestowitz	"Theyre banning the supply of payloads for your 70-year-old rockets."
[23:12]	schestowitz	LOL
[23:12]	immibis	it's no different from paying say hetzner
[23:12]	schestowitz	no
[23:12]	XRevan86	schestowitz: https://nitter.eu/Rogozin/status/1502375246183211008 god-like humour too
[23:13]	TR Bot	 (@Rogozin): "" | nitter
[23:13]	schestowitz	clownflare gets paid by  a fraction
[23:13]	schestowitz	otherwise they cannot build up a userbase
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[23:14]	XRevan86	The fun thing about this is that the subtext of the cartoon directly contradicts the official narrative.
[23:14]	matey	mincer: whatever worth bitchute allegedly had, that was a long time ago
[23:14]	XRevan86	s/subtext/text/
[23:14]	schestowitz	XRevan86: LOL
[23:14]	schestowitz	like these scene was made just for Feb-March 2022
[23:15]	matey	you might try thedonald first, bitchute was too busy trolling a slovakian liberterian for not being altwoke enough
[23:15]	matey	then again i havent checked on it in quite some time
[23:16]	schestowitz	XRevan86: I think I saw the original as a kid
[23:16]	immibis	schestowitz: cloudflare doesn't exactly have network effects; they have enough big sites using them to pay for infrastructure
[23:16]	schestowitz	but cannot recall for sure
[23:16]	XRevan86	schestowitz: It's a real scene of course. But arrogant captions slapped on top.
[23:16]	schestowitz	immibis: they did an IPO, didn't they?
[23:16]	schestowitz	profitable yet?
[23:17]	XRevan86	Director General of Roscosmos finds it funny.
[23:17]	immibis	if they are not profitable how does increasing their expenses help them get more profit?
[23:17]	schestowitz	XRevan86: yes, loss of tanks and all
[23:17]	schestowitz	and cutting off their own economy
[23:17]	schestowitz	tom should be on crutches
[23:17]	matey	it would be interesting to see which of these services really are profitable and which are simply pulling the wal mart model of undercut now, enjoy monopoly later, profit
[23:18]	schestowitz	XRevan86: my dad would too
[23:18]	schestowitz	he jokes at NATO's reaction
[23:18]	schestowitz	NATO is like OIN
[23:18]	schestowitz	it doesn't do anything
[23:18]	MinceR	16 001407 < XRevan86> The fun thing about this is that the subtext of the cartoon directly contradicts the official narrative.
[23:18]	schestowitz	it's just there
[23:18]	schestowitz	doing nothing
[23:18]	MinceR	it also appears to be out of touch with reality
[23:18]	schestowitz	sitting on patents and adding members
[23:18]	XRevan86	Official narrative: peacekeeping, liberation
[23:18]	XRevan86	Rogozin: Haha, Russian army destroy Ukraine, NATO does nothing, pathetic, haha
[23:18]	schestowitz	toothless and rather worthless
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[23:18]	immibis	that's not subtext, it's just text
[23:18]	XRevan86	MinceR: It is :)
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[23:19]	XRevan86	immibis: I corrected myself almost immediately.
[23:19]	schestowitz	let's see clownflare's reports
[23:19]	schestowitz	LOLOLOLOLOLOL https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139460/net-loss-cloudflare-worldwide/
[23:19]	TR Bot	Cloudflare global net loss/income 2016-2020 | Statista
[23:19]	matey	\o/
[23:19]	schestowitz	Go harder, clowns
[23:19]	schestowitz	make more losses
[23:20]	schestowitz	it's the Uber of CDNs
[23:20]	schestowitz	the more they do, the more they lose
[23:20]	schestowitz	way to go
[23:20]	schestowitz	that's US capitalism
[23:20]	matey	us capitalism?
[23:20]	schestowitz	yes
[23:20]	schestowitz	exreme capitalism
[23:20]	XRevan86	https://nitter.eu/DanielS18352008/status/1502379203060187141#m :)
[23:20]	schestowitz	borrow, borrow
[23:20]	TR Bot	 Daniel Smith (@DanielS18352008): "But it seems that this video lacks the best part of it, the end. When Tomy breaks the line and when Cherry's bell works. I believe that this last part of the cartoon will explain the future geopolitical situation, the #NATO warning, the victory of Ukraine and the end of #Putin." | nitter
[23:20]	schestowitz	max up
[23:20]	schestowitz	it's OK
[23:21]	matey	/me nods
[23:21]	schestowitz	jesus will come and sed money
[23:21]	schestowitz	*send
[23:21]	schestowitz	Jesus will send it by Western Union
[23:21]	matey	canadian capitalism: borrow from china, pay back in political influence
[23:21]	schestowitz	How many trillions were pumped into US corproations since COVID-19 began?
[23:21]	matey	china: "we take influence"
[23:22]	schestowitz	they borrowed 11 TRILLION since (~ two years)
[23:22]	schestowitz	how much of that went to actual households struggling with basics? 2?
[23:22]	matey	mexican capitalism: let american businesses use nafta like a crowbar
[23:22]	matey	but if you keep going south a similar thing happens
[23:22]	schestowitz	china: we make little profit by paying very little to sweatshop workers
[23:22]	matey	probably because nafta wasnt all that different from cafta
[23:22]	schestowitz	always small
[23:22]	schestowitz	but it adds up
[23:23]	immibis	XRevan86: do you really pay $39/mo for statista?
[23:23]	immibis	sorry, $59 without the discount
[23:23]	matey	statista: we have a business model 
[23:23]	schestowitz	immibis: you said, "[clownflare] [...] have enough big sites using them to pay for infrastructure"
[23:23]	schestowitz	they are like a half a billion in debt
[23:24]	immibis	someone should invent a system where my internet bill goes up by $10/month and every site I visit gets a share of the $10 depending on how often I visit it
[23:24]	schestowitz	they live on shareholders' loans
[23:24]	XRevan86	immibis: What's statista?
[23:24]	schestowitz	it's a decent site for authoritative data
[23:24]	immibis	XRevan86: sorry wrong ping. schestowitz linked to it
[23:24]	schestowitz	they study data
[23:24]	immibis	schestowitz pays 5x youtube premium, for graphs
[23:24]	matey	/me looks up statista on statista
[23:24]	immibis	and refuses to use youtube because of its business model or something
[23:25]	schestowitz	they will all need to cash in
[23:25]	schestowitz	or perish
[23:25]	schestowitz	or become government-funded
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[23:25]	schestowitz	or become government filter
[23:25]	schestowitz	btw, netflix has had similar issues
[23:26]	matey	netflix also sells something they have no control over
[23:26]	matey	and negotiations can increase the price of hollywood content at any time
[23:26]	schestowitz	netflix claims it did manage to swing into profits at the end https://www.statista.com/statistics/273884/netflixs-quarterly-net-income/
[23:26]	TR Bot	Netflix: quarterly net income 2021 | Statista
[23:27]	schestowitz	https://www.statista.com/chart/26773/profitability-development-of-spotify/
[23:27]	TR Bot	Chart: Spotify Presses Pause on Profits | Statista
[23:27]	matey	when you put a movie on netflix, they dont really dictate anything, the owners of the movie have the most leverage
[23:27]		*x_ is now known as kingoffrance
[23:27]	matey	its a bit different than somewhere where the host has more leverage than the users (paid or gratis)
[23:27]	schestowitz	Spotify mostly loses money
[23:27]	matey	also the paying users of netflix have no leverage either
[23:27]	kingoffrance	"Jesus will send it by Western Union" thats not wrong, thats what identity thieves and drug dealers do. guess who runs the churches :D
[23:27]	schestowitz	https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/26773.jpeg
[23:27]	matey	they can pay or not pay, thats it
[23:28]	matey	drug dealers run the churches?
[23:28]	schestowitz	so you cannot compete with them unless you too can afford to lose a ton of money
[23:28]	matey	does that make them the opium smugglers of the masses?
[23:28]	schestowitz	and hope for an upswing/inflection point some time in the future
[23:29]	schestowitz	if you are ICBM, you make up a new company
[23:29]	schestowitz	and offload dying things onto it
[23:29]	schestowitz	Microsoft does the same, to an extent
[23:29]	schestowitz	I heard Azure was still making losses, just like shithub
[23:29]	schestowitz	but they hide it
[23:29]	schestowitz	mostly by rebranding old things "Azure"
[23:29]	immibis	google says cloudflare's profit margin is -40% - i'm sure they can afford to raise prices by 40% 
[23:30]	schestowitz	Gulag's AWS rival make HUUUUGE losses
[23:30]	schestowitz	like billions per quarter
[23:30]	immibis	btw when there is a lot of unprofitable stuff happening, that means it's time for a market crash and recession
[23:30]	schestowitz	yes
[23:30]	immibis	hope you shorted azure and gulag
[23:30]	schestowitz	you just follow my thinking here
[23:30]	schestowitz	a lot of these companies are making up bubbles
[23:30]	immibis	it's been time for a recession for several years now; hasn't happened
[23:30]	matey	when arguing that google needs to consider a model based on government funding, why not consider that they already have one
[23:30]	schestowitz	and drag people's savings accounts into them
[23:31]	schestowitz	because interest rates in the banks are near 0%
[23:31]	schestowitz	with inflation gone mad, so in essense the savings shrink (in purchasing power)
[23:31]	matey	it's been time for a recession for several years now <- lots of ways to postpone such a thing 
[23:31]	schestowitz	matey: they do
[23:31]	schestowitz	see what happened the past 3 weeks
[23:31]	matey	schestowitz: thats my point
[23:31]	schestowitz	and even without banning
[23:32]	schestowitz	they derank and flag things
[23:32]	matey	i thought you were saying they should seek one
[23:32]	schestowitz	in the US companies took over decades ago
[23:32]	schestowitz	not just the tech companies
[23:32]	schestowitz	all the sectors
[23:32]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-14-22-25.jpg
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[23:32]	schestowitz	insurance, oil...
[23:32]	schestowitz	we have a purse-oicracy
[23:32]	schestowitz	"open your purse, Jo"
[23:33]	schestowitz	"open your purse, Don"
[23:33]	matey	no question about it
[23:33]	schestowitz	"open your purse, {next president}"
[23:33]	schestowitz	https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt
[23:33]	TR Bot	 United States Government Debt - February 2022 Data - 1942-2021 Historical
[23:33]	schestowitz	press "MAX"
[23:33]	immibis	schestowitz: government does that. The fed basically controls the business cycle AFAIK?
[23:34]	immibis	or rather, tries to counteract it (thus controlling it)
[23:34]	matey	regulates
[23:34]	immibis	regulates is a good word - like a pressure regulator, not like the FDA
[23:34]	schestowitz	"open your purse" has become "open your zipper"
[23:34]	kingoffrance	unity of opposites matey :)
[23:34]	matey	control might give them too much credit
[23:34]	schestowitz	warch how the curve goes vertical around 2020
[23:34]	matey	when it does thing they cant stop even if they want it to, its still regulation, its not control
[23:34]	immibis	schestowitz: if you are betting on that, then I hope you took out as much debt as possible, because the USD will become worthless
[23:34]	schestowitz	it's not like this year suddenly it'll plataea 
[23:35]	immibis	matey: thing can only happen when money is abundant
[23:35]	immibis	or rather time*money
[23:35]	schestowitz	debt is paid back with interest
[23:35]	schestowitz	and they can take stuff of yours
[23:35]	schestowitz	which can lose a lot of value very quickly
[23:35]	schestowitz	your 10,000 pound cars now worth 1,000
[23:35]	immibis	the fed controls the price of time*money. Companies need time*money to do stuff and the more they have the more stuff they will do, scraping lower and lower into the barrel
[23:36]	schestowitz	"we'll have that, thanks, that's 1000 off your debt"
[23:36]	schestowitz	"but my car cost 10k"
[23:36]	schestowitz	"yeah yeah.... whatever... they always say that'\
[23:36]	immibis	schestowitz: but you are predicting that we're in the hyperinflation timeline. So your car is worth 100 billion
[23:36]	kingoffrance	immibis, fed is PPP.  they are both appointed by government, but were deliberately meant to be business people...because they didnt trust gov wont just rig things to win an election. this was how it was sold, eliminating panics, long-term, letting the experts run things instead of politicians
[23:36]	kingoffrance	ignore shares for the moment etc.   
[23:37]	schestowitz	right now in usland [sic] most companies that are "most successful" are also loss leader
[23:37]	immibis	If the government debt curve goes vertical, then soon after that, the government will either default on its debt (meaning nobody will want US$ ever again) or the government will print unlimited amounts of it (meaning nobody will want US$ ever again)
[23:37]	schestowitz	years ago even amazon announced losses
[23:37]	schestowitz	not big losses
[23:37]	schestowitz	but losses
[23:37]	matey	how are things in bor-usland?
[23:37]	schestowitz	paying 1.2 million salaries isn't easy
[23:38]	schestowitz	and when people have no money to buy things and china cannot produce (or export) you need to rethink the whole operation
[23:38]	schestowitz	matey: borisnaro is killing many of us
[23:38]	schestowitz	esp. the families with young kids
[23:38]	matey	its amazing how much the uk has fallen
[23:38]	MinceR	nice way to sell regulatory capture
[23:39]	kingoffrance	:)
[23:39]	matey	i blame it on capitualation from labour many years ago
[23:39]	matey	of course there are many other factors
[23:39]	schestowitz	based on 4 Nov 2021 report, clownflare losses increased in last report
[23:39]	schestowitz	compared to prior year
[23:40]	schestowitz	their chief says to the media this month to be patient
[23:40]	matey	the fact that the eu benefit germant and france more than the uk pretty much guaranteed brexit sooner or later (good or bad, just inevitable)
[23:40]	schestowitz	that they bet on getting more sites hooks
[23:40]	schestowitz	then something will happen
[23:40]	immibis	why does the EU benefit germany and france more than the UK?
[23:40]	schestowitz	they are there for shareholders, not sites
[23:40]	immibis	every business is for shareholders
[23:40]	matey	because the eu lets germany and france pretty much run the show
[23:40]	immibis	including ones like hetzner
[23:40]	immibis	which you seem to have no problem with
[23:41]	schestowitz	epo
[23:41]	schestowitz	not many british wortkers there
[23:41]	schestowitz	not anymore anyway
[23:41]	schestowitz	it fell sharply
[23:41]	immibis	well the UK's not in the EU
[23:41]	immibis	why would there be?
[23:41]	matey	im talking about the events leading to brexit, not after
[23:41]	matey	so by necessity im not talking about the present
[23:42]	immibis	why didn't some apply for jobs?
[23:42]	kingoffrance	way back with woodrow wilson, they had to get william jennings bryan on board.   so fed was given the appearance of "public" money, but this just meant the gov would pick up any debts, just thought it was the only way it would pass.    didn't really matter perhaps until the depression.     point: PPP:  private made public legal tender.   gov/public on the hook for it.    PPP/both.  any alone "public" or "private" analysis will fail, its a partner
[23:42]	kingoffrance	ship
[23:43]	kingoffrance	its both!   
[23:43]	matey	/me wonders if one side always wears the PPPP
[23:43]	matey	(the Pants in the Public Private Partnership)
[23:43]	kingoffrance	lol
[23:44]	kingoffrance	insert "it's pat!" here
[23:44]	matey	oh, oldschool snl
[23:44]	matey	but point taken
[23:44]	schestowitz	[23:41] <immibis> well the UK's not in the EU
[23:44]	schestowitz	it is in EPC, hence EPO
[23:44]	schestowitz	for now
[23:47]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2017/11/09/administrative-council-of-the-epo-is-concerned-that-the-office-is-largely-german-and-male-recruitment-bar-has-fallen/
[23:47]	TR Bot	 Administrative Council of the EPO is Concerned That the Office is Largely German and Male, Recruitment Bar Has Fallen | Techrights
[23:47]	schestowitz	this is still true
[23:47]	schestowitz	I cannot find the article about massive decrease in british workers
[23:47]	schestowitz	it was around 2016
[23:48]	matey	note i was speaking more broadly, but the epo seems to support what im saying (incidentally or otherwise)
[23:48]	matey	/me wonders what percentage of epo workers are french
[23:48]	TR News	"I know I've been very negative on my gemlog lately. I'm trying to find things to be positive about but it's very difficult and a lot easier to write about all the stuff I don't like." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-09-29.gmi
[23:48]	matey	not that it has to be that way in every department
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	quite high
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	for sure more than british and irish
[23:49]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/10/06/epo-founding-states-vs-epo-staff/
[23:49]	TR Bot	 Top EPO Applicants (Six Nations/States of Seven Founding States) Approved Unlawful Strike Regulations, Illegally Crushing EPO Examiners | Techrights
[23:49]	matey	seems like hitler would have achieved more of his plan with the eu than than the third reich
[23:49]	schestowitz	you need to understand where EPO comes from
[23:50]	matey	im not saying the eu is worse, just more in line with his political ambitions 
[23:50]	schestowitz	Benelux Union
[23:50]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/10/06/epo-founding-states/
[23:50]	TR Bot	 The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part IV: The Founding States | Techrights
[23:50]	schestowitz	and some institution in NL and one in DE
[23:50]	schestowitz	no idea why UKIPO wants to give them more leverage
[23:52]	TR News	"It's been a slow build up ever since a few weeks after classes started, but I've finally reached near-zero levels of motivation. Missing over a week of classes to covid at the start of the month certainly didn't help, but it wasn't the cause of the problem." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2021-11-30-november-is-gone.gmi
[23:57]	TR News	"Let's just be honest, and admit that [Linux] wasn't designed. [Linux] grew. It grew with a lot of mutations - and because the mutations were less than random, they were faster and more directed than alpha-particles in DNA." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-01-14-design-vs-evolution.gmi
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