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| DaemonFC[m] | I might eventually try to get one of those j-core systems. | Jul 15 00:02 |
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| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EfWffERfOyAknNjxyvMdROCz > | Jul 15 00:03 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uh, yeah.... | Jul 15 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So GNU starts hosting their projects on Github, which doesn't work fully without nonfree javascript, bans users from certain countries, and responds to DMCA robotrolls by deleting your project sometimes. | Jul 15 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wow. | Jul 15 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How doe GNU Savannah allow people from US embargoed countries to participate? | Jul 15 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ars Technica is promoting a Windows 10 PC called "Kano" that ships with Windows 10. | Jul 15 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder if you can format it and install LInux. | Jul 15 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "We encourage kids to explorer hardware and software imaginatively!" | Jul 15 00:09 |
| MinceR | "Finish Him!" | Jul 15 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it has Windows 10 so you'll just have to imagine how the OS software works, kids! Sorry. | Jul 15 00:10 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 15 00:11 |
| MinceR | you can experience up close how it fails to work, though | Jul 15 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "We're sorry, but this program ran into a problem." | Jul 15 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Windows is looking for a solution." | Jul 15 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why do I feel like instructions for cracking Secure Boot and a Linux ISO is not going to be the one it finds? | Jul 15 00:14 |
| schestowitz | 63,240 new cases and 892 new deaths in the United States | Jul 15 00:14 |
| schestowitz | it needs to be near 1000 for another week-to-week increase | Jul 15 00:14 |
| schestowitz | case-wise, it's like 15% increase over last week | Jul 15 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I saw a meme well before COVID. | Jul 15 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where a woman told her kids to make a drawing for nursing home residents and they drew a clock and said "Time's almost up!". | Jul 15 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wish I had saved that. | Jul 15 00:17 |
| schestowitz | I am doing a covid meme right now | Jul 15 00:19 |
| schestowitz | for the next article | Jul 15 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | see if you can spot a typo: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/contact-trace-meme.jpg | Jul 15 00:24 |
| schestowitz | the first url was wrong, fat fingered | Jul 15 00:25 |
| schestowitz | 907 deaths now | Jul 15 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | 908 might be final | Jul 15 01:14 |
| schestowitz | unless they amend later | Jul 15 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | 928 | Jul 15 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | texas 11k+ | Jul 15 01:55 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20021150 | Jul 15 02:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4348869) | Jul 15 02:12 | |
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| dabblerdude | Hello everyone. | Jul 15 02:34 |
| dabblerdude | What do you guys think of the Brave web browser? | Jul 15 02:40 |
| MinceR | it's interesting | Jul 15 02:40 |
| dabblerdude | It's definitely very fast and secure. | Jul 15 02:40 |
| MinceR | once i confirm that i can finally install chrome extensions in it, i'll use it more | Jul 15 02:40 |
| dabblerdude | However, I did hear about a scandal they had regarding affiliate links which allowed them to take people's money. This thing happened only once, and it seemed that Brandon Eich, the CEO of Brave, was sincere about fixing the issue. | Jul 15 02:41 |
| dabblerdude | As he mentioned about it on Twitter. | Jul 15 02:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, not all Chrome extensions work in it properly. I think Video Download Helper didn't. | Jul 15 02:42 |
| MinceR | it's not easy to pick a browser that supports js/dom/html5/css/etc, since they all suck massively | Jul 15 02:42 |
| MinceR | for me the chrome store just pretended it doesn't support extensions | Jul 15 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some sites are starting to use Media Source Extensions to obscure how to get at the video. | Jul 15 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In some cases you can play around skipping to various points in the video and then an MP4 file will appear in Video Download Helper that wasn't there before. | Jul 15 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't really feel like installing the Helper App and giving it complete file system access. | Jul 15 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | NoScript takes a little while to set up, but it stops a lot of nasty stuff from going on. | Jul 15 02:45 |
| dabblerdude | What's nice about Brave is that almost all of the security and privacy features are there. | Jul 15 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paywall#Bypassing_paywalls | Jul 15 02:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Paywall - Wikipedia | Jul 15 02:58 | |
| dabblerdude | You just need to configure some of its settings and you're ready to go. | Jul 15 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I added most of that. | Jul 15 02:58 |
| dabblerdude | I'm kind of weary to turn back to Firefox because they're getting most of their money from them. If Google, being a highly corrupt company as they are regarding user privacy, offers great sums of money to another company and that company accepts it, they're compromising in something. | Jul 15 03:05 |
| dabblerdude | Isn't that suspicious at all? | Jul 15 03:05 |
| insmodppa | dabblerdude: Brave wants to be the middleman for ad revenue while blocking native ads on sites, and coupled with the "accident" where they hijacked links (that code didn't just write itself to their benefit) gives me a very bad impression of their sense of ethics. | Jul 15 03:13 |
| MinceR | i turned my back on failfox when they decided to try and force poetteringaudio on me | Jul 15 03:14 |
| MinceR | after betraying their users to DRM | Jul 15 03:14 |
| MinceR | "take back the web", my ass | Jul 15 03:14 |
| dabblerdude | insmodppa: That "accident" happened once. | Jul 15 03:15 |
| dabblerdude | It's not like they're known for stealing people's money all the time. | Jul 15 03:15 |
| dabblerdude | Is there a web browser I can turn to that's focused on security and privacy and not have it break too many things? I thought Firefox and Brave were the solution, but it does not look like they are. | Jul 15 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GNU Icecat. Richard Stallman will smile upon you. | Jul 15 03:19 |
| insmodppa | dabblerdude: Most modern browsers are now Chromium forks, so you might want to try ungoogled chromium. YMMV since I have no idea how well they "ungoogled" it. | Jul 15 03:20 |
| dabblerdude | Ungoogled Chromium? | Jul 15 03:20 |
| dabblerdude | I never knew that was possible. | Jul 15 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | KDE Falkon. | Jul 15 03:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's an ungoogled Chromium. | Jul 15 03:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course Fedora had a Saturday Night Massacre of everyone who was really interested in KDE on Fedora. | Jul 15 03:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Including the maintainer of Falkon. | Jul 15 03:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they could replace them with Windows 10 and Mac users. | Jul 15 03:23 |
| insmodppa | dabblerdude: Chrome is the proprietary Google browser while Chromium is the open sourced browser engine that all forks (even Microsoft) draws from. | Jul 15 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Edge" | Jul 15 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Scooped out Google's spyware and malware. Put theirs in instead. | Jul 15 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Redirects you to Fake Google with CP and ads for malware..... "Bing" | Jul 15 03:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Much better than Chrome, and totally not not optional, maybe. | Jul 15 03:26 |
| dabblerdude | Daemon, are you being sarcastic about Edge? | Jul 15 03:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Is it that obvious? :) | Jul 15 03:44 |
| dabblerdude | Yeah, it is. | Jul 15 03:45 |
| dabblerdude | Lol. | Jul 15 03:45 |
| dabblerdude | Yeah, Edge is basically Chrome. | Jul 15 03:45 |
| dabblerdude | It's crap. | Jul 15 03:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 is the most repulsive thing I've ever seen in computer software in 30 years of using computers. | Jul 15 03:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have not used the Chromium Edge, but the stories about it make me lump it in with "Windows 10". They're porting it to Linux, but why would you? | Jul 15 03:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not even like Microsoft has a phone platform that someone might want to sync it to and that's why they use it. It's pointless. | Jul 15 03:47 |
| dabblerdude | Yeah, Windows 10 is hell. Try configuring that for best security and privacy. There are WAY too many settings to do so. | Jul 15 03:47 |
| dabblerdude | So it's complicated. | Jul 15 03:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was studied and found to be spying on the user. Second worst after Yandex Browser. | Jul 15 03:47 |
| insmodppa | You can't configure malware for security and privacy... | Jul 15 03:54 |
| dabblerdude | Lol. That's true. | Jul 15 03:54 |
| dabblerdude | That's why I'm leaning toward using Linux now. | Jul 15 03:54 |
| dabblerdude | It's more secure, faster, and more stable than Windows. | Jul 15 03:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Depends on the distribution. | Jul 15 03:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora with KDE was so bad that they're close to Windows 10 now. | Jul 15 03:55 |
| insmodppa | You can't compare malware with an operating system... | Jul 15 03:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they lobbed in Chrome they'd be in the home stretch. | Jul 15 03:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That reminds me of a joke. | Jul 15 03:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows is not a virus, because most viruses are lean, efficient, and good at what they were designed for. | Jul 15 03:56 |
| dabblerdude | Windows is an OS, Linux is the kernel; the distros that are based off of the Linux kernel could be considered OSes. | Jul 15 03:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kubuntu has been very stable, at least in the last few days. | Jul 15 03:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My laptop is still up from when I installed the post-install updates and rebooted the first time. | Jul 15 03:57 |
| dabblerdude | I'm using Mint. | Jul 15 03:58 |
| dabblerdude | Mint in a VM, I mean. | Jul 15 03:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think there's been this sort of "Everything just works, nothing's crashing, and it's too quiet...." since Kubuntu with KDE 3.5.10. | Jul 15 03:58 |
| dabblerdude | DameonFC[m]: Btw, I didn't know it depended on the distribution. I thought all distros would be similar enough regarding security. | Jul 15 03:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not really, no. | Jul 15 04:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Back in the day there was this thing called Lindows. | Jul 15 04:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft sued and ended up paying them millions to change the name in the end. | Jul 15 04:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was marketed as this "ultra stable OS that would be completely compatible with Windows". | Jul 15 04:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It turned out that it was just a Debian fork with Wine and KDE. | Jul 15 04:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, they logged you in as root. They logged everyone in as root. They said "Well, Windows XP does it!". | Jul 15 04:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's as bad as it sounded. | Jul 15 04:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were funding things like ReiserFS. They said ReiserFS 4 would eventually be out with advanced security features and running as root wouldn't matter. | Jul 15 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then Hans Reiser murdered his wife, Namesys collapsed, and then Linspire went out of business because Ubuntu had pretty much taken over desktop Linux. | Jul 15 04:13 |
| dabblerdude | Lindows! Wow, I just looked this up. | Jul 15 04:13 |
| dabblerdude | This was a real thing. | Jul 15 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought it sounded cool at first and signed up to hear more about it. | Jul 15 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then as I did I went "LOL!". | Jul 15 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Almost 20 years later, Wine is much, much better, but still not "fully Windows compatible" and never would be. | Jul 15 04:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's not bad software. Windows is a moving target, Linux will never work internally in a way where it could totally be compatible, and Windows itself isn't compatible with former versions as well as Wine is sometimes. | Jul 15 04:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's hard to compare. | Jul 15 04:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just that lots of stuff works reasonably well most of the time. | Jul 15 04:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's Wine ports/products for Mac too, but I guess not anymore with these crazy ARM things that are coming. | Jul 15 04:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then there's a port of parts of Wine to Windows, to restore compatibility with games that need DirectX features that have been removed from Windows. | Jul 15 04:16 |
| dabblerdude | So Icecat is not developed by Mozilla? | Jul 15 04:17 |
| dabblerdude | Apparently, it's made by GNUZilla and the GNU Project. | Jul 15 04:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Icecat is a GNU fork of Firefox ESR> | Jul 15 04:17 |
| dabblerdude | What do you guys think of the Epic browser? | Jul 15 04:30 |
| dabblerdude | That's supposed to be a privacy-oriented one. | Jul 15 04:30 |
| insmodppa | Thread cautiously when a business tries to sell you "privacy". | Jul 15 04:35 |
| dabblerdude | Understood. | Jul 15 04:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. | Jul 15 04:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those Silent Circle phones, for example. | Jul 15 04:40 |
| dabblerdude | It's a shame that so many browsers are built off of Chromium. | Jul 15 04:41 |
| dabblerdude | And not based off of something else. | Jul 15 04:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a shame Google even exists at all at this point. | Jul 15 04:43 |
| dabblerdude | Well, thank you guys for the browser suggestions! | Jul 15 04:55 |
| dabblerdude | I gtg now. So I'll see ya later! | Jul 15 04:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep yep. | Jul 15 04:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm using Firefox, in a very non default configuration. | Jul 15 04:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hoping things don't get worse. | Jul 15 04:55 |
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| insmodppa | Moz Colon Slash Slash A could switch over to the Chromium engine and nothing would be different. I'm forced to use an ancient version of Firefox because I need XUL, FTP and Gopher. | Jul 15 05:21 |
| superkuh | So use Palemoon. | Jul 15 05:28 |
| superkuh | Then you get the best of XUL and protocol support and a browser that is meant for browsing but it still works with the least shitty of the 'web apps'. | Jul 15 05:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rotting Firefox fork. | Jul 15 05:44 |
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| superkuh | ^ sure sign someone hasn't paid attention to palemoon for 5 years. | Jul 15 05:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, did they rebase it again? | Jul 15 06:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I suppose that the XUL stuff is still there and it's just all been marked for internal use in Gecko. | Jul 15 06:01 |
| superkuh | Every few years. And they do their own Gecko fork with significant differences. | Jul 15 06:01 |
| superkuh | All the moz patches that are applicable still are backported, but most exploits are features PM dropped already. | Jul 15 06:01 |
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| XRevan86 | dabblerdude: Because you don't like Google, you're turning down Firefox in favour of Chromium? That'll teach 'em. | Jul 15 09:22 |
| schestowitz | heh | Jul 15 10:02 |
| schestowitz | love that logic.. | Jul 15 10:02 |
| schestowitz | the real alternative is, neither | Jul 15 10:02 |
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| zoobab | there is an EPO livestream | Jul 15 10:52 |
| zoobab | about swpats hearing | Jul 15 10:52 |
| zoobab | G1/19 | Jul 15 10:52 |
| zoobab | under invitation only | Jul 15 10:52 |
| zoobab | https://events.epo.org/boards-of-appeal/boa-restricted-content/ | Jul 15 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-events.epo.org | BoA – Restricted Content – EPO Events | Jul 15 10:53 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: invitation by who? | Jul 15 11:10 |
| zoobab | EPO | Jul 15 11:19 |
| zoobab | I apparently needed to register in advance | Jul 15 11:19 |
| zoobab | I asked the EPO for a login | Jul 15 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: later on ipkat, kluwer etc. will do their biased BS about it | Jul 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | having received "access" | Jul 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | EPO wants to control the narrative | Jul 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | more access restrictions are good to the nuts who run the Office, not BoA | Jul 15 11:36 |
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| zoobab | Campinos intervened in this hearing, I did not know he was an expert in the field | Jul 15 11:55 |
| schestowitz | he intervened months ago | Jul 15 11:58 |
| schestowitz | is that what you mean? | Jul 15 11:58 |
| schestowitz | or also in today's hearing? | Jul 15 11:58 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: dude, you need to put aside twitter | Jul 15 11:58 |
| schestowitz | even IRC would be better | Jul 15 11:58 |
| schestowitz | as twitter engagement declines over time | Jul 15 11:59 |
| schestowitz | it is measurable | Jul 15 11:59 |
| schestowitz | and it does not support rss | Jul 15 11:59 |
| schestowitz | blog posts and press releases are better | Jul 15 11:59 |
| schestowitz | bristows mentioned ffii again yesterday | Jul 15 11:59 |
| schestowitz | twice | Jul 15 11:59 |
| schestowitz | not because of tweets but press release | Jul 15 11:59 |
| zoobab | it's our contribution | Jul 15 12:00 |
| zoobab | I finished it when arrived in Morzine | Jul 15 12:00 |
| zoobab | I missed a last paragraph about the rule of law and the 3 pending const complaints | Jul 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | did campinos intervene AGAIN? | Jul 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | and if so, based on who/what? | Jul 15 12:01 |
| zoobab | we will see in the video recordings | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | ok | Jul 15 12:01 |
| zoobab | technical loophole | Jul 15 12:01 |
| zoobab | which has a high chance to be reused by the UPC | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | maybe you want to link to http://techrights.org/2020/07/14/misleading-epo-studies/ | Jul 15 12:02 |
| schestowitz | it is the latest | Jul 15 12:02 |
| zoobab | I am drafting a letter to JURI to request a legal opinion on the German ratification | Jul 15 12:02 |
| schestowitz | JURI is a UpC booster | Jul 15 12:02 |
| schestowitz | or was | Jul 15 12:02 |
| schestowitz | their latest stance pointed out issues | Jul 15 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Misleading ‘Studies’ Are Just More of the Same Perception Management Routines | Techrights | Jul 15 12:03 | |
| zoobab | all the lawyers we asked say the same, there is no legal basis for what Germany do | Jul 15 12:03 |
| zoobab | easiest would be one member state to request a debate | Jul 15 12:04 |
| schestowitz | good idea | Jul 15 12:04 |
| schestowitz | and then they will be wordless, speechless | Jul 15 12:05 |
| schestowitz | as it cannot be justified | Jul 15 12:05 |
| schestowitz | except in that one cleverly-crafted paragraphs of lies | Jul 15 12:05 |
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| zoobab | it will auto-collapse | Jul 15 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: the paragraph and the UPC alike | Jul 15 12:12 |
| zoobab | easiest would be for Boris to notify its deratification | Jul 15 12:14 |
| zoobab | that would spare us the efforts of a constitutional complaint | Jul 15 12:14 |
| zoobab | or just the legal service of the Bundestag saying there is no legal basis | Jul 15 12:15 |
| zoobab | or the legal service of the European Parliament | Jul 15 12:15 |
| scientes | https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp-x86.c.txt | Jul 15 12:43 |
| scientes | this is really impressive | Jul 15 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Patrick Breyer can inquire in the UK | Jul 15 12:48 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/p-2 | Jul 15 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - p | Jul 15 12:48 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/678703.jpg | Jul 15 13:16 |
| scientes | does anyone have The Art of Computer Programming Volume 4A: Combinatorial Algorithms? | Jul 15 13:25 |
| scientes | I'm especially looking for the chapter on boolene stuff | Jul 15 13:25 |
| scientes | found g | Jul 15 13:28 |
| scientes | http://www.cs.utsa.edu/~wagner/knuth/fasc0b.pdf | Jul 15 13:28 |
| scientes | (I have the book at home) | Jul 15 13:28 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/678664.jpg | Jul 15 14:11 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu Will No Longer Track Which Packages Users Install http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139895 [https://pleroma.site/objects/176b0fd2-f000-4058-814f-ffd09e575353] | Jul 15 14:54 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&u=https%3A%2F%2Fsecuritylab.ru%2Fnews%2F510151.php | Jul 15 15:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate | Jul 15 15:14 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GCC, GNU Toolchain and LLVM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139900 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bcb29c26-c45b-4732-9681-9a3fb541b68c] | Jul 15 15:20 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Remote (Home) Work, Patching OpenSSL and GNU C, IPFire on AWS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139902 [https://pleroma.site/objects/633f2e66-be0c-4aa8-a516-524280a9278f] | Jul 15 15:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Supercomputing Monoculture http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139903 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c74c284c-8dee-4d4e-b9f9-bc83beb3d8c9] | Jul 15 15:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #GloDroid Brings #Android 10 to the #PinePhone , #PineTab http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139896#comment-25809 [https://pleroma.site/objects/10f2d4ff-7e14-4ede-886a-20016d67ffd2] | Jul 15 15:59 | |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/5rv733.jpg | Jul 15 16:08 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jul 15 16:11 |
| schestowitz | wish I could reuse | Jul 15 16:11 |
| psydread | I just read about the Kano laptop, which seems nothing more than a sad and desperate attempt to get a new generation of children addicted to MS shovelware | Jul 15 16:11 |
| schestowitz | I don't know the licence, MinceR | Jul 15 16:11 |
| MinceR | neither do i | Jul 15 16:11 |
| MinceR | i got it as a deeplink to an image on dumbFuckBook | Jul 15 16:12 |
| psydread | you know that was my reality for 6 months when I was having trouble getting Linux installed on my HP brokenbook | Jul 15 16:13 |
| psydread | I would use Vista 10 for nothing and only had Virtualbox with Linux installed and the host would still crash out of nowhere several times a week | Jul 15 16:14 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: VirtualBox 6.1.12 Released with New GLX Graphics Output http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139878#comment-25810 [https://pleroma.site/objects/42e7a71d-ea93-4e4b-a02f-d894f3c8dfcf] | Jul 15 16:16 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Compiling Krita for ARM: an AppImage tale http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139904 [https://pleroma.site/objects/afe0586b-acc5-46f6-8b2c-ce658ad341b7] | Jul 15 16:20 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozlla and Rust http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139905 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1e78dda5-4d15-4a10-adf2-47b793867f6c] | Jul 15 16:24 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I will look up by name/stamp | Jul 15 16:27 |
| MinceR | google images and tineye couldn't find a source | Jul 15 16:27 |
| schestowitz | http://mrlovenstein.com/ | Jul 15 16:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mrlovenstein.com | Mr. Lovenstein | Hard Read | Jul 15 16:27 | |
| schestowitz | looking for licensing | Jul 15 16:27 |
| MinceR | it's a modified lovenstein strip | Jul 15 16:27 |
| MinceR | then again, lovenstein's license might still apply :> | Jul 15 16:28 |
| schestowitz | "Mr. Lovenstein's cartoon about WSL/WSL2 sort of nails it (credit MinceR for the pointer)" | Jul 15 16:31 |
| schestowitz | I will link to his site | Jul 15 16:31 |
| schestowitz | oh, I see | Jul 15 16:31 |
| MinceR | i don't think it's his cartoon | Jul 15 16:31 |
| schestowitz | modified... | Jul 15 16:31 |
| schestowitz | oh, well. | Jul 15 16:31 |
| MinceR | note that the font is inconsistent | Jul 15 16:31 |
| schestowitz | so I will change the wording | Jul 15 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Mr. Lovenstein-Drived Joke about Microsoft's WSL (an Attack on GNU/Linux) | Jul 15 16:32 |
| schestowitz | does that sound OK? | Jul 15 16:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: mayeb erick did not like you because "daemon" | Jul 15 16:32 |
| schestowitz | "Mr. Lovenstein's cartoon (or someone's modified version of it) about WSL/WSL2 sort of nails it (credit MinceR for the pointer)" | Jul 15 16:32 |
| schestowitz | *Derived | Jul 15 16:34 |
| MinceR | yeah | Jul 15 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | done | Jul 15 16:41 |
| schestowitz | not a big task | Jul 15 16:41 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I can see not just the fonts but also the poor paste job of the blue screen (not BlueScreen Classic) | Jul 15 16:41 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 15 16:41 |
| MinceR | BlueScreen Modern | Jul 15 16:41 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20021041 | Jul 15 17:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4346366) | Jul 15 17:58 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Free Software as a Tree (It’s Hard to Cut Off the Roots) http://techrights.org/2020/07/15/free-software-tree/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/5ccb46a0-e97f-49d1-b96c-0990d53e47d7] | Jul 15 18:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | According to Fox News, the Weather Underground's plan to attaxk heaven and dethrone God is ubderwsy. | Jul 15 18:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They built a time machine in 1972 from parts of one of the Genisys timeline Terminators. | Jul 15 18:35 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they're erasing the terms master and servant, which means a corrected bible. Yeah? | Jul 15 18:36 |
| MinceR | where does Fox Noise believe heaven is, exactly? | Jul 15 18:36 |
| MinceR | perhaps they believe Weather Underground has access to some sort of interplanar portal? | Jul 15 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Can't have that old thing laying around saying things like the borrower is the servant of the lender. | Jul 15 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The bible is obviously Communism and due for an update anyway. | Jul 15 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't twll people to be careful about borrowing money. My sister in law needs water from a truck. | Jul 15 18:40 |
| MinceR | i wonder how they'll be able to pound _and_ attack their beloved fable at the same time | Jul 15 18:42 |
| MinceR | it was just cherry-picking before | Jul 15 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > where does Fox Noise believe heaven is, exactly? | Jul 15 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where were you, when they built an interplanar portal to heaven? | Jul 15 18:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: update on the fedora thing | Jul 15 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shifted dimensions and dethroned God.... | Jul 15 18:43 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/07/15/censorship-is-for-pussies/ | Jul 15 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Censorship is for Pussies | Techrights | Jul 15 18:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, all Satan had to do was put a pipe bomb somewhere at the beginning of this whole mess. | Jul 15 18:43 |
| schestowitz | if there are further followups, let me know | Jul 15 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I mentioned the followup you had told me about | Jul 15 18:43 |
| MinceR | 15 194319 < DaemonFC[m]> Where were you, when they built an interplanar portal to heaven? | Jul 15 18:43 |
| MinceR | dunno | Jul 15 18:43 |
| schestowitz | [18:43] <DaemonFC[m]> Apparently, all Satan had to do was put a pipe bomb somewhere at the beginning of this whole mess. | Jul 15 18:44 |
| schestowitz | some religious people control Fedora JAM now | Jul 15 18:44 |
| schestowitz | JAM! Michael Jackson & MJ (Jordan) | Jul 15 18:44 |
| schestowitz | so maybe to them you're like lucifer | Jul 15 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Speaking of time travel, Riot on my phone is acting up, so if it looks like I'm lagging and messages are in the wrong order, that's why. | Jul 15 18:45 |
| MinceR | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/JAM_Productions_Logo.png | Jul 15 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz I can see why a system like Fedora would be useful to running a church A/V setup. | Jul 15 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many of them just toss MP3 files around though. | Jul 15 18:47 |
| MinceR | they need their setup to be vulnerable and to crash every so often? | Jul 15 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They tell their kids figure out how to rip this CD. | Jul 15 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It costs a lot of money to upgrase hardware every few years just so Windows 10 can do the things you already did bedore only slower | Jul 15 18:48 |
| kingoffrance | lol DaemonFC[m] "where were you" | Jul 15 18:48 |
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| kingoffrance | well i think america is stuck with "the best is yet to come" ...so the only permitted answer is "in the future" | Jul 15 18:51 |
| kingoffrance | they cant go back to the era of my nick | Jul 15 18:51 |
| kingoffrance | they can only go forward | Jul 15 18:51 |
| kingoffrance | in a way, i think they are locked into "the future must always be better than past" | Jul 15 18:52 |
| kingoffrance | at least "averaged" or whatever | Jul 15 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Florida has another 10,181 new #covid19 cases today (so far). Very vulnerable population. At least 112 deaths there in the past day or less. All with COVID. | Jul 15 18:53 |
| kingoffrance | i mean, they want (an image at least) of preserving whatever history/mythology/whatever "the founders" ..but they cant go "old world" ...theres a boundary there. | Jul 15 18:53 |
| kingoffrance | from "free monarchy" (king james) -> "we the people" | Jul 15 18:54 |
| MinceR | the best is indeed yet to come | Jul 15 18:54 |
| MinceR | the time when there won't be any humans anymore | Jul 15 18:54 |
| kingoffrance | king james actually wrote about how he was free, everyone else was bound...but you know, to set a good example, he will stoop to the level of following laws....remind you of anyone? "i can do xyz, but i wont" | Jul 15 18:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/187285488/Florida-Wendys-employee-takes-bath-in-sink | Jul 15 18:56 |
| kingoffrance | not to pick on james, surely other monarchs were similar | Jul 15 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Florida Wendys employee takes bath in sink Blank Template - Imgflip | Jul 15 18:56 | |
| schestowitz | I didn't know the context.. | Jul 15 18:56 |
| kingoffrance | just that was where "america" perhaps "inverted" from | Jul 15 18:56 |
| kingoffrance | or "reflected' "negated" whatever you wanna call it, topsy-turvied | Jul 15 18:56 |
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| kingoffrance | there is line "kings create gov." -> "men create gov./kings/etc." | Jul 15 19:02 |
| kingoffrance | that is defined as "hell" anyways | Jul 15 19:02 |
| kingoffrance | so heaven is supposedly -> | Jul 15 19:02 |
| kingoffrance | s/is line/is a line/ | Jul 15 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the car shop again. They got my part for the vacuum leaks. They said they'll smoke test it again when they're done to see if there's more. | Jul 15 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 18 year old rubber hose. Happens. | Jul 15 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom let it sit for a few years a while back so all the brake hoses had to be replaced then. | Jul 15 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > king james actually wrote about how he was free, everyone else was bound...but you know, to set a good example, he will stoop to the level of following laws....remind you of anyone? "i can do xyz, but i wont" | Jul 15 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Literally everyone who comes to power these days. | Jul 15 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We've had some really awful presidents, but you have to pump the 1800s pretty hard to find one comparable to Trump. | Jul 15 19:09 |
| MinceR | we have a system that streamlines the process of giving power to sociopaths over everybody else | Jul 15 19:10 |
| MinceR | it even replaced most of the violence with mere threat of violence | Jul 15 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The SJWs taking over open source are sociopaths but nobody can call them that. | Jul 15 19:11 |
| MinceR | so are successful politicians and people controlling megacorporations | Jul 15 19:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not interested in communities except to go in and drive all the competent and helpful ones out and ruin their career maybe. | Jul 15 19:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora has been letting the other desktop projects rot and whatever piece of shit they throw in and adapt GNOME to. Well....that's your problem. | Jul 15 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So all of the desktops that aren't a CPU monopolizing memory leak are fending for themselves and it shows. | Jul 15 19:13 |
| MinceR | you left out the part where they pose as the creators and proprietors of other people's work | Jul 15 19:14 |
| MinceR | and a savior by replacing terms with other terms, or by adding bureaucracy | Jul 15 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They purported to backport the latest fix for their incompetence to Mutter 3.36.4. The broken window reaping code. | Jul 15 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that's maybe half the total problem that was truly sandbagging my laptop near the end of my patience. | Jul 15 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How does a clock app use 25% CPU for 30 seconds 10 times a day? VLC playing a HEVC file doesn't even use that much. | Jul 15 19:15 |
| MinceR | maybe it mines bitcoins | Jul 15 19:16 |
| MinceR | maybe it was designed/implemented by windows programmers | Jul 15 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suggested that as a joke and was threatened. | Jul 15 19:16 |
| schestowitz | .we can make a meme about it, MinceR | Jul 15 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The bitcoin miner. | Jul 15 19:16 |
| kingoffrance | the mystery is potus swears oath on kjv ..but kjv didnt authornize no independence, or even "limited monarchy" in england | Jul 15 19:16 |
| kingoffrance | he was "father" i believe equiv. to "pope" of "church of england" | Jul 15 19:17 |
| schestowitz | with evil man in second frame loling that it's exactly what happens | Jul 15 19:17 |
| schestowitz | shutdown with systemd on my older system took over a minute | Jul 15 19:17 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 15 19:17 |
| schestowitz | no idea why it took so longer, startup also | Jul 15 19:17 |
| kingoffrance | that monarchy model, kings were "fathers" of their subjects | Jul 15 19:17 |
| schestowitz | kinship | Jul 15 19:17 |
| schestowitz | faked | Jul 15 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody who getd absolute power ever wants to entertain the idea of diminishing it, even if they are not using it in the way that concerns people. | Jul 15 19:18 |
| kingoffrance | subjects were children who need worthy people to emulate | Jul 15 19:18 |
| kingoffrance | the assumption is whoever was king was worthiest/perfection/splendour of the universe/etc. | Jul 15 19:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:07] <DaemonFC[m]> 18 year old rubber hose. Happens. | Jul 15 19:18 |
| schestowitz | That's what he said | Jul 15 19:18 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 15 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Obama managed to expand things and make Trump more powerful by refusing to ask for a law to add more oversight for presidents drone striking Americans, for instance. | Jul 15 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If we got a good guy in there, he would not last long. | Jul 15 19:19 |
| schestowitz | drone strikes are "Small time" | Jul 15 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Trump uses bioweapons | Jul 15 19:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Jimmy Carter was probably the last guy that tried to be decent as he saw things. | Jul 15 19:19 |
| schestowitz | trump as a terrorist https://www.salon.com/2020/07/13/dr-john-gartner-donald-trump-is-the-most-successful-bio-terrorist-in-human-history/ | Jul 15 19:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dr. John Gartner: "Donald Trump is the most successful bio-terrorist in human history" | Salon.com | Jul 15 19:20 | |
| kingoffrance | in a way, the "stuff rolls downhill" is kind of backwards for "america", or supposed to be | Jul 15 19:20 |
| MinceR | 15 200732 < DaemonFC[m]> 18 year old rubber hose. Happens. | Jul 15 19:20 |
| MinceR | probably not in a bmw, lol | Jul 15 19:20 |
| kingoffrance | re: "setting an example/tone/whatever" | Jul 15 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Arizona +3,257 | Jul 15 19:21 |
| schestowitz | running sums, will be higher by day's end | Jul 15 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > 15 200732 < DaemonFC[m]> 18 year old rubber hose. Happens. | Jul 15 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My sister in law is having 20 year old American car issues in her 2016 BMW. | Jul 15 19:21 |
| MinceR | see, it disintegrates well before 18 years :> | Jul 15 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everything costs 5 times as much to fix too. The point is you give up and buy another one. | Jul 15 19:21 |
| schestowitz | cars are a burden in so many ways | Jul 15 19:22 |
| schestowitz | and underused | Jul 15 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She even let them talk her into tires that are $450 a pop. | Jul 15 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've got the Impala running on $50 tires. They work fine. | Jul 15 19:22 |
| schestowitz | it's like buying a laptop you only use 30 mins per day | Jul 15 19:22 |
| schestowitz | taxis have vastly better cost/mileage | Jul 15 19:23 |
| MinceR | cars can also be very useful | Jul 15 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can put a BMW on cheap tires. You might as well. They grind down the fronts too son anyway. | Jul 15 19:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: can | Jul 15 19:23 |
| MinceR | especially in the low population density areas i prefer to be in | Jul 15 19:23 |
| schestowitz | people driving a single person to work in an SUV to sit in a glass cage typing on a PC is not good use | Jul 15 19:23 |
| MinceR | indeed, home office is usually better | Jul 15 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I have just used 4 sfaety pins | Jul 15 19:24 |
| MinceR | when there isn't someone around bored and tearing your nerves apart to pass the time | Jul 15 19:24 |
| schestowitz | should have done that AGES ago! | Jul 15 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't always drive my SUV, but when I do, it's to park sideways in three handicapped spots down at the Walmart and then threaten to sue people for telling me I need a mask! | Jul 15 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Every Republican Ever | Jul 15 19:24 |
| schestowitz | To secure the chair cover, which I otherwise kept adjusting manually to cover the armrests | Jul 15 19:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you pro lifer you!@! | Jul 15 19:25 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 15 19:25 |
| schestowitz | I keep finding all sorts of new ways to be more efficient here | Jul 15 19:25 |
| schestowitz | we don't call it home office | Jul 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | in uk that has a special meaning | Jul 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | likely negative, esp. if you dislike tories | Jul 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | home office used to be a client of ours, briefly at least | Jul 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | heck, I don't think we should say "remote work" | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | it's a loade dterm | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | home = here | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | "local | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | "local" | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | not "remote" | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | they try to imply people are naturally based at their employer's place | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | and going home is "away" | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | or "remote" | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | this is wrong | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | home is master | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | work is slave | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I work at master | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | not at slave | Jul 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | or primary.. or parent, whatever... | Jul 15 19:28 |
| kingoffrance | you arent wrong | Jul 15 19:28 |
| kingoffrance | they do do that | Jul 15 19:28 |
| schestowitz | let's fix the term | Jul 15 19:28 |
| schestowitz | they then get rid of "home workers" | Jul 15 19:28 |
| schestowitz | because "they're remote anyway" | Jul 15 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, even with btrfs compression going on, my PC is faster with KDE. | Jul 15 19:28 |
| schestowitz | and they replace them with cheap labour overseas | Jul 15 19:28 |
| schestowitz | "remote workers" | Jul 15 19:28 |
| schestowitz | who work at home or some callcenter or whatever | Jul 15 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd rather have a compressor thread gping for the file system than whatever the hell GNOME Clocks was up to. Lol | Jul 15 19:29 |
| schestowitz | corporate media promotes and amplifies this falsehood | Jul 15 19:29 |
| schestowitz | we can do a "social justice" operandi on the media to demand they stop | Jul 15 19:29 |
| schestowitz | or else | Jul 15 19:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: Mandy is NOT a remote workers | Jul 15 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder if CentOS has gotten this bad. It was pretty solid when I ran 6 as a desktop. | Jul 15 19:30 |
| schestowitz | he works home.. for the Walton Family | Jul 15 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Paid a million times less than them per hour | Jul 15 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's way worse than Walmart. | Jul 15 19:30 |
| schestowitz | but that's OK, at least he's "feeling home" | Jul 15 19:30 |
| schestowitz | centos is not for desktop | Jul 15 19:30 |
| schestowitz | unless you just run one specialised application compiled for rhel | Jul 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | like some movie studios | Jul 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | some of them use rhel or similar | Jul 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | but you use browser and stuff | Jul 15 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kroger was telling people don't worry about the background check and then letting them work for 60 days and then going oh wait you have this felony you told us about and now it's serious. Ploink. And you don't get Unemployment Income anymore | Jul 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | centos is asking for trouble, even with epel | Jul 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | so after 60 days they look for dismissal excuses | Jul 15 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep | Jul 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | at the spa we go to they rarely retain workers for more than 6 months | Jul 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | it's a neverending shuffle... and appalling | Jul 15 19:32 |
| MinceR | centos is for the dumpster | Jul 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | then they blame it on the workers | Jul 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | who spent time and money training | Jul 15 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They always do. | Jul 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | centos was bad before... not it's controlled by those it competed with | Jul 15 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart has about 40% turnover each year. | Jul 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | scientific linux and similar clones sank | Jul 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | which tells you what they think of centos now | Jul 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | fermilinxu | Jul 15 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, as a desktop it worked okay in general. | Jul 15 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can run Steam and stuff on it if you want to. | Jul 15 19:34 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They have RHEL as a free to use thing now if you don't want any paid support I think. | Jul 15 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably figured those people would just use CentOS anyway and this makes it easier to get subscribers later if they change their mind. | Jul 15 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz It's safest to assume that whatever people higher up than you are saying is a lie to get what they want from you. They have no feelings that theybare obliged to treat you well later. | Jul 15 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Workplace, government, you name it really. | Jul 15 19:37 |
| kingoffrance | well ppl using centos were calling up support when i was there | Jul 15 19:38 |
| kingoffrance | which was unsupported -> "please get a license if you want us to support that machine" -> end ticket | Jul 15 19:39 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Endeavour OS: Our first anniversary, the July release and what’s next?!? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139908 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e58415c4-3311-42d7-94a3-274a5047fb4d] | Jul 15 19:39 | |
| kingoffrance | they would basically get rhel on a few machines, and have lots more centos | Jul 15 19:39 |
| kingoffrance | and then try to trick ppl into support | Jul 15 19:39 |
| kingoffrance | but as soon as we got the thing that provides a "picture" of the system, it was easy to spot | Jul 15 19:39 |
| kingoffrance | its not like they went into effort to fake things | Jul 15 19:39 |
| kingoffrance | and if they were at that level, they wouldnt need us anyways | Jul 15 19:40 |
| kingoffrance | i dont think we put them on a blacklist or anything, but it was kind of just a waste of time to take down their problem, then find out centos, "sorry, cant help, talk to whoever does purchasing at your company" | Jul 15 19:42 |
| kingoffrance | and they would have or in the past had actual rhel machines, they just apparently didnt tell their admins centos is not supported | Jul 15 19:43 |
| kingoffrance | i mean, they wouldve had to have an open support contract to even reach us | Jul 15 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sounds like Pointy Hair Boss. | Jul 15 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can save money by getting 1 or 2 of these things licensed to trick Red Hat. | Jul 15 19:44 |
| kingoffrance | yeah but ibm is so anal re: tps reports ...they shouldve known it would never work | Jul 15 19:44 |
| kingoffrance | we tried to close tickets ASAP for real customers...that was a metric | Jul 15 19:45 |
| kingoffrance | time spent on problem | Jul 15 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So IBM is real good at tracking licenses. | Jul 15 19:45 |
| kingoffrance | tracking where money is coming/going maybe | Jul 15 19:45 |
| kingoffrance | licenses are just a subset of that :) | Jul 15 19:45 |
| kingoffrance | so is time :) | Jul 15 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It figures. I mean, they're not going to let someone cheat them that easily. | Jul 15 19:46 |
| kingoffrance | so is printer paper/ink :) | Jul 15 19:46 |
| kingoffrance | so is everything :) | Jul 15 19:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, asking for support is actually costing Red Hat something so if you're trying to get support you didn't pay for that's stealing. | Jul 15 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can use the software for free. Support is something else. | Jul 15 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought it was funny that some video game developer got tired of this and leaked a game that crashed on a certain level to prove a point about how people were pirating the game and then demanding support for it. | Jul 15 19:48 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Intel slammed by Linux founder for using ‘power virus’ tech http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139777#comment-25815 [https://pleroma.site/objects/772dc3ec-c423-435c-a4f3-13507aba56bd] | Jul 15 19:48 | |
| MinceR | hedrat broke the software you were using, now you must pay them to fix it, otherwise you're stealing. | Jul 15 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not necessarily just that people are copying it who just couldn't pay for it. It's that they try to get you to fix the bugs they run into. | Jul 15 19:49 |
| MinceR | just like how the elementary OS people took other people's work, put a butt-ugly crapOS skin on top, and now you must pay them for that skin, otherwise you're "cheating the system" | Jul 15 19:50 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139909 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b3c60d76-6350-45c7-b98d-ef81de46ecb7] | Jul 15 19:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | This one couldn't happen on a licensed copy, so thousands of pirates come pouring in demanding support for it. | Jul 15 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That one is too much even for me. | Jul 15 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've pirated video games but I've never gone and demanded free support. | Jul 15 19:51 |
| MinceR | had i not paid enough attention, i would have stuck with deadian with hedrat software i never asked for, and then i would get to pay them for a support contract so they fix the atrocious piece of shit they forced on me and which i never asked for in the first place | Jul 15 19:52 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PinePhone CE available for pre-order http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139907 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5fa3731d-9b9a-4139-b96c-ccc2a94c8932] | Jul 15 20:01 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139910 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d0c0acdf-e58f-4982-bea4-f250345309ef] | Jul 15 20:02 | |
| schestowitz | deadian lol | Jul 15 20:11 |
| scientes | Debian Stale | Jul 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | hedrat lol | Jul 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | well, debbie is still aline | Jul 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | ian dead | Jul 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | so deadian is kind of poor taste | Jul 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | but he killed himself at the end, with mental help from the police leading to it | Jul 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | suicidian seems right | Jul 15 20:15 |
| MinceR | i was referring to the distribution being dead | Jul 15 20:15 |
| MinceR | not to its founder | Jul 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | it took systemd | Jul 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | i.e. redhat hard dep | Jul 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | sorry | Jul 15 20:15 |
| scientes | Ubuntu has that shit called snap | Jul 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | i meant hedrat | Jul 15 20:15 |
| scientes | so I'd say Debian is pretty decent | Jul 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | hard dep. | Jul 15 20:15 |
| scientes | stale, but not dead | Jul 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | which is technical suicide | Jul 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | locking them into the whole 'chain' of systemd and IBM | Jul 15 20:16 |
| *schestowitz uses buster | Jul 15 20:16 | |
| scientes | oh geeze, get over it | Jul 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | stale is good | Jul 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | as long as the repos are full of decent, stable stuff | Jul 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: 43k | Jul 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | two vietnams already.. not counting the dead vietnamese whose country was invaded | Jul 15 20:17 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Patches Roundup http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139911 [https://pleroma.site/objects/33ea412d-6b3f-4503-8a46-816327193294] | Jul 15 20:21 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139912 [https://pleroma.site/objects/80742429-e80f-4ce8-89a8-7733d9340b1b] | Jul 15 20:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, new vacuum linr and the light came back. | Jul 15 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car stopped running like shit. | Jul 15 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose it's possible that the MAF sensor is acting up and there was just a vacuum leak too. Ugh. | Jul 15 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz is lucky he doesn't have to deal with a car. | Jul 15 20:28 |
| dabblerdude | Hey everyone. | Jul 15 20:29 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139914 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1b8280da-cdb4-4bef-a64a-7e80e890bdac] | Jul 15 20:30 | |
| *schestowitz waves hi to dabblers everywhere | Jul 15 20:33 | |
| dabblerdude | Lol. XD | Jul 15 20:33 |
| dabblerdude | Dabblers everywhere. | Jul 15 20:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: but we live close to town | Jul 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | so it is not so cheap, either | Jul 15 20:34 |
| dabblerdude | I did some research on some browsers based on Chromium. There is a lot out there! Edge, Opera, Vivaldi, Epic, etc. | Jul 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | yes, almost al | Jul 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | except the old and outdated ones | Jul 15 20:34 |
| dabblerdude | The only Firefox based browsers that are active and are for Linux; I could only find GNU Icecat, Tor, and Waterfox. | Jul 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | the ff forks/branches are dying away | Jul 15 20:34 |
| scientes | except tor | Jul 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | waterfox sold out | Jul 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | to system1 | Jul 15 20:34 |
| scientes | and tor is looking at merging with firefox | Jul 15 20:34 |
| dabblerdude | I'm surprised Firefox is still hanging on. | Jul 15 20:35 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel and Graphics: TPM, Intel and Matrox http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139915 [https://pleroma.site/objects/de2e9ed0-1b38-4953-a073-f476ab5073bf] | Jul 15 20:36 | |
| scientes | firefox is faster | Jul 15 20:36 |
| scientes | and lower memory | Jul 15 20:36 |
| scientes | and they have extremely good devs | Jul 15 20:36 |
| scientes | they also created rust-lang | Jul 15 20:37 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec-tKxwWoAc0LOr?format=jpg&name=orig | Jul 15 20:37 |
| MinceR | i guess failfox was so good it takes mozilla a while to truly ruin it | Jul 15 20:38 |
| MinceR | but they're working hard at it | Jul 15 20:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139916 [https://pleroma.site/objects/81fb0cbd-e965-42ea-b980-0e8443df8581] | Jul 15 20:39 | |
| dabblerdude | MinceR: Yeah, I'm not sticking with Firefox. That's why I'd like to go with the browsers based on that. That's better than going with any chromium-based browser. | Jul 15 20:39 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 15/7/2020: New PinePhone, GCC 10.2 Release Candidate http://techrights.org/2020/07/15/new-pinephone/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/3c842eb9-e3ac-4742-a2f3-8be1a4b06610] | Jul 15 20:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | > to system1 | Jul 15 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A very ethical edtech! | Jul 15 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *adtech | Jul 15 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DuckDuckGo has been growing pretty fast. | Jul 15 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It probably is less privacy invading than Google, but that's not saying a lot. | Jul 15 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mostly like it because Google branched out into all sorts of ridiculous things and is definitely also a PRISM member. | Jul 15 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | PRISM isn't even the start of how nasty they are, but it's bad all by itself. | Jul 15 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Microsoft spamming people with Edge ads, they're a PRISM member too. So you're not gaining privacy. Your info is just going into another backdoored program and cloud. | Jul 15 20:55 |
| MinceR | yeah, but they want to make deals with the uhmerican government in google's place | Jul 15 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google bent over backwards to participate in all of this illegal domestic spying and Trump is still going after them for "antitrust" vecause of a personal vendetta. | Jul 15 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have lawyers, but that only helps you if there are actually still laws. | Jul 15 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There aren't. | Jul 15 20:56 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PinePhone postmarketOS Community Edition Is Now Available to Order http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139907#comment-25816 [https://pleroma.site/objects/559ebdf0-152c-4323-a023-951613ddabfe] | Jul 15 21:00 | |
| dabblerdude | Ok, so I've been misinformed slightly. Mozilla used to have a deal with Google back in 2014 where they did receive a lot of money from them. | Jul 15 21:01 |
| dabblerdude | But in 2015 or so, Mozilla partnered with Yahoo and left Google in the dust. | Jul 15 21:01 |
| dabblerdude | https://www.cnet.com/news/firefox-maker-mozilla-we-dont-need-googles-money-anymore/ | Jul 15 21:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Firefox maker Mozilla: We don't need Google's money anymore - CNET | Jul 15 21:01 | |
| dabblerdude | https://www.computerworld.com/article/2850464/mozilla-tells-google-its-not-you-anymore-its-yahoo.html | Jul 15 21:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla tells Google, it’s not you (anymore), it’s Yahoo | Computerworld | Jul 15 21:02 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yahoo is also PRISM. | Jul 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | google still pays moz | Jul 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And Verizon. | Jul 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | and yahoo! is no longer there | Jul 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | ff defaults to goog | Jul 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | moz did this when yahoo was msft | Jul 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yahoo is on the default list for Noscript as trusted. I don't use it so I changes it to untrusted. | Jul 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | at least in the us | Jul 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | also uk iirc | Jul 15 21:03 |
| MinceR | yahoo is not microsloth anymore? | Jul 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | yahoo is nothing | Jul 15 21:03 |
| dabblerdude | schestowitz: How is Google still paying Mozilla? I need to be rightly informed here. | Jul 15 21:04 |
| dabblerdude | Do you have any good sources I can look at? | Jul 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | almost anything that has good by default is paid by google | Jul 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | otherwise a "useful idiot" | Jul 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | even apple was paid billion by google for it | Jul 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | (billions | Jul 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | maybe 5 billion, i forgot the exact number | Jul 15 21:05 |
| dabblerdude | I don't know what you mean good by default. | Jul 15 21:05 |
| dabblerdude | You mean the Google search engine? | Jul 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | it was in a lawsuit about 5 years ago, it came up as a relevant fact-finding thing | Jul 15 21:05 |
| dabblerdude | Sounds like you were saying "google by default" | Jul 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | also address bar | Jul 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | like, if you put a non-address in it | Jul 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | "if in doubt, go to google" | Jul 15 21:06 |
| schestowitz | as in, if you don't paste an address in or follow a link | Jul 15 21:06 |
| schestowitz | sometimes when keylogger too | Jul 15 21:06 |
| schestowitz | aka "autocomplete" | Jul 15 21:06 |
| schestowitz | *with | Jul 15 21:06 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi OS & Plasma - Troubly McTroublesome http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139913 [https://pleroma.site/objects/987cb1d6-69eb-4254-9476-511e54603f34] | Jul 15 21:07 | |
| MinceR | is yahoo gone yet? | Jul 15 21:07 |
| dabblerdude | schestowitz: I still don't know what you mean. I thought you were saying that any browser that comes with the Google search engine is paid by them. | Jul 15 21:08 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139917 [https://pleroma.site/objects/41ac5ebf-095d-4c43-a4dd-d7ae8d47f988] | Jul 15 21:08 | |
| dabblerdude | Anything good by default sounds a little vague. | Jul 15 21:12 |
| psydroid | I don't know if any of you have ever used Calibre, but it ended up eating about half my RAM (14 GB) in a single Python process | Jul 15 21:13 |
| scientes | lol 14 GB | Jul 15 21:17 |
| dabblerdude | Anyway, I could try to use IceCat. | Jul 15 21:18 |
| dabblerdude | However, I'm not sure if that's still being developed. | Jul 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: clearly a bug | Jul 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: is Windows Mobile? | Jul 15 21:19 |
| MinceR | pretty much | Jul 15 21:21 |
| MinceR | if Backdoors Phony doesn't count as such, then it's dead and buried | Jul 15 21:22 |
| dabblerdude | Ok, I found out the last version of GNU Icecat which was released was June of last year. | Jul 15 21:24 |
| dabblerdude | So it hasn't been maintained in a while. | Jul 15 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh dear. | Jul 15 21:25 |
| dabblerdude | Yeah. :( | Jul 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora packaged it last I looked. | Jul 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's Seamonkey I guess. | Jul 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They maanaged to get that running on the Firefox ESR 68 platform finally I think. | Jul 15 21:26 |
| dabblerdude | I could use that. However, I don't have to stick to just Firefox based and Chrome based browsers. | Jul 15 21:27 |
| dabblerdude | There are other browsers that run on different engines besides Gecko and Chromium. | Jul 15 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I find excuses to not mention Chrome by name on Wikipedia when possible. | Jul 15 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like when a feature is sufficiently generic but someone made Chrome an example of it anyway. | Jul 15 21:28 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Apache SpamAssassin Leads A Growing List of Open-Source Projects Taking Steps to Correct Instances of Racism and White Privilege http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139918 [https://pleroma.site/objects/76facab2-884b-400e-a8cf-2987db058fff] | Jul 15 21:29 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mentioning Chrome by name acts as a free advertisement for Chrome. | Jul 15 21:29 |
| dabblerdude | Oh yeah, that is true. | Jul 15 21:29 |
| psydroid | Konqueror seems to work pretty well and is also pretty lightweight compared to alternatives | Jul 15 21:29 |
| dabblerdude | Should I not mention it then? | Jul 15 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's GNOME Web and Midori. | Jul 15 21:29 |
| MinceR | how much of kde does konqueror need? | Jul 15 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Both use Webkit, though Midori is more likely to work better on other desktops and is the recommended browser in Xfce. | Jul 15 21:30 |
| psydroid | I'm running it on XFCE now in a VNC session on my Orange Pi, it is pretty responsive too | Jul 15 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Webkit isn't exactly like Blink. | Jul 15 21:31 |
| schestowitz | https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/07/mozilla-vpn-goes-live-but-linux-users-arent-invited-yet | Jul 15 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Mozilla VPN Goes Live …But Not For Linux Users - OMG! Ubuntu! | Jul 15 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | wow | Jul 15 21:32 |
| schestowitz | well done, moz | Jul 15 21:32 |
| schestowitz | shooting your own foot | Jul 15 21:32 |
| schestowitz | the only OS that preinstalls FF | Jul 15 21:32 |
| psydroid | I think Konqueror can still be made to perform a bit better, but it uses a lot less memory than FF, which uses a lot less than Chromium in turn | Jul 15 21:36 |
| dabblerdude | schestowitz: Doesn't Ubuntu come preinstalled with FF. | Jul 15 21:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Editors Series: Emacs, Vim and Nano http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139919 #Editors Series: Emacs, Vim and Nano http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139919 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1808c26d-6ef5-420f-afcb-57dceddf2868] | Jul 15 21:38 | |
| dabblerdude | ? | Jul 15 21:38 |
| *schestowitz uses Konqueror | Jul 15 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | dabblerdude: I think it still does | Jul 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | about 5 years ago they debated promoting chromium | Jul 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | and there was an unroar of sorts | Jul 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | so that never happened | Jul 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | maybe Google even offered Canonical money for it, who knows... | Jul 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/mozilla-board/ | Jul 15 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Hires From Microsoft for Mozilla’s Board | Techrights | Jul 15 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | Moz is all for inclusiveness... including Microsoft | Jul 15 21:45 |
| MinceR | and for poetteringware | Jul 15 21:45 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/objects/8779106f-c6ac-4015-a4f3-bdeeed6a2a3b | Jul 15 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jul 15 21:45 | |
| schestowitz | pottymouth | Jul 15 21:46 |
| dabblerdude | I've changed my mind about using Firefox because of this whole Chromium browser monopoly. I'm not going to care about any browser that runs Chromium despite what the developers of those browsers have in mind for them. | Jul 15 21:48 |
| dabblerdude | Even if they're "built and optimized for privacy and security." | Jul 15 21:49 |
| schestowitz | FF is OK | Jul 15 21:49 |
| schestowitz | in a sense | Jul 15 21:49 |
| schestowitz | rianne still uses it exclusively | Jul 15 21:49 |
| schestowitz | for me, well... I use a mixture of things, I use FF almost only for doing techrights posts | Jul 15 21:49 |
| dabblerdude | Take a look at the name, Google. Google means crap, BS. | Jul 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | the rest is Falkon and Konqueror | Jul 15 21:50 |
| dabblerdude | Anything that comes from them is BS. | Jul 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | on the other machines, both of them, qupzilla only | Jul 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Google is bad | Jul 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla getting worse than what it used to be | Jul 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | it'll stink more like Google over time | Jul 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | just smaller stench | Jul 15 21:50 |
| dabblerdude | Despite the fact that Mozilla is getting paid by Google, the best I can do is to optimize the heck out of it and not use other Chromium based browsers. | Jul 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla will be a fart next to the fish processing factory that is Google | Jul 15 21:51 |
| dabblerdude | There's only so much you can do. | Jul 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | MSIR | Jul 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | MSIE | Jul 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | old school | Jul 15 21:51 |
| dabblerdude | MSIR? | Jul 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | opera and vivaldi are googledsimilated | Jul 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | dabblerdude: typo | Jul 15 21:52 |
| dabblerdude | MSIE sounds like Microsoft Internet Explorer. XD | Jul 15 21:52 |
| dabblerdude | Is that what you meant by MSIR? | Jul 15 21:53 |
| dabblerdude | MSIE | Jul 15 21:53 |
| psydroid | there are 2 things that really triggered me about Chromium: 1) rejecting adblock plugins 2) refusal to integrate and outright hostility towards community-maintained patches for some architectures | Jul 15 21:54 |
| dabblerdude | schestowitz: Btw, I found out that GNU Icecat's last release was in June 2019. It hasn't been maintained in a while. | Jul 15 21:55 |
| schestowitz | makes sense | Jul 15 21:55 |
| schestowitz | anyway, those things are not secure | Jul 15 21:56 |
| schestowitz | esp. when javascript on, esp. even more so on dodgy sites | Jul 15 21:56 |
| schestowitz | browsers should be like a text editor | Jul 15 21:56 |
| schestowitz | and opened file should run no program | Jul 15 21:56 |
| schestowitz | (in an ideal world) | Jul 15 21:57 |
| schestowitz | when you use a text editor, user uses computer | Jul 15 21:57 |
| schestowitz | with browser, web uses computer | Jul 15 21:57 |
| schestowitz | and you're just a passenger giving some directions like where to go next | Jul 15 21:57 |
| schestowitz | and what domain will run dodge crappy code on your machine with you at the seat | Jul 15 21:57 |
| dabblerdude | Midori's last release was in 2019. | Jul 15 22:05 |
| dabblerdude | Konqueror's last stable release was in 2018. | Jul 15 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | should be good enough for most sites | Jul 15 22:10 |
| dabblerdude | I was looking at some more comparisons of the web browsers out there; I found some more: Pale Moon, Basilisk, and Netsurf. | Jul 15 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139919#comment-25817 | Jul 15 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Editors Series: Emacs, Vim and Nano | Tux Machines | Jul 15 22:35 | |
| schestowitz | just added | Jul 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Vimb: Vim Like Web Browsing Has Never Been This Easy | Jul 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | if you're into minimalism | Jul 15 22:36 |
| schestowitz | some sites have nojs fallbacks | Jul 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | and are generally usable while light | Jul 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | but those are becoming fewer and a scarcity over time | Jul 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2020-04-2020-06.html | Jul 15 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freebsd.org | FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report | Jul 15 22:41 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <dabblerdude "I was looking at some more compa"> I tried out Netsurf in a Flatpak the other day. Latest build. | Jul 15 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose it's not horrible if you mostly use simple sites without any JavaScript. | Jul 15 23:02 |
| dabblerdude | DaemonFC[m]: Yeah, Netsurf looks too simple. | Jul 15 23:03 |
| dabblerdude | Looks a little outdated. | Jul 15 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I ran into a car repair website today that said "You must enable Javascript because, nowadays, most sites need it and so does ours.". | Jul 15 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I clicked reader mode and all the text I needed to read came up. | Jul 15 23:03 |
| dabblerdude | However, what about Pale Moon and Basilisk? | Jul 15 23:03 |
| MinceR | failfox forks, iirc | Jul 15 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm just skeptical of Pale Moon. | Jul 15 23:04 |
| MinceR | not sure if they're maintained anymore | Jul 15 23:04 |
| MinceR | the people responsible for failmoon are blocking at least one extension they don't like | Jul 15 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It might work, but I can't seriously believe that one guy is going to keep up with the security churn of Firefox. | Jul 15 23:04 |
| MinceR | also, can netsurf save embedded images on gnu/linux already? | Jul 15 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus, while WebExtensions aren't as powerful, they also don't constantly break down and require parts of browser code to stay static or else. | Jul 15 23:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | In the sense that there's a standard extensions API that keeps them away from the browser's internals and stops them from having access to bits that really ought not be tampered with, it's a good idea. | Jul 15 23:06 |
| MinceR | webextensions can't do half the stuff we had firefox extensions for | Jul 15 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The API needs to be more powerful than it is though. | Jul 15 23:06 |
| dabblerdude | MinceR: The latest stable release of Pale Moon was released yesterday, according to Wikipedia. | Jul 15 23:07 |
| dabblerdude | So they are still maintained. | Jul 15 23:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Version bumps are not indicative of how well the software is being maintained. | Jul 15 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | See Apache OpenOffice. | Jul 15 23:09 |
| dabblerdude | So you could have a web browser from 2015 that's still good today? | Jul 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | even 2005 | Jul 15 23:13 |
| MinceR | if it's a "modern" browser, that's unlikely | Jul 15 23:13 |
| MinceR | well, maybe if it gets the engine from a library and that library is up-to-date | Jul 15 23:13 |
| schestowitz | [23:03] <DaemonFC[m]> I ran into a car repair website today that said "You must enable Javascript because, nowadays, most sites need it and so does ours.". | Jul 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | email the postmaster | Jul 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | or postmistress | Jul 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | with soem sarcastic reply | Jul 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | I can think of a few | Jul 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: looks like 900+ deaths possible today (more than a week ago) | Jul 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | already smashing past last week's daily count of covid19 infections | Jul 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | the US numbers still go UP | Jul 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | after all these months... everywhere else the numbers go down after a couple of months since first case | Jul 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Turns out, US is no better than Mexico after all | Jul 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | It just has more oligarchs than just Carlos Slim | Jul 15 23:16 |
| dabblerdude | Thinking that just because a web browser is up to date and well maintained sounds like it greatly complies with Windows thinking. | Jul 15 23:18 |
| MinceR | sure, but security holes are less likely to be fixed otherwise | Jul 15 23:19 |
| MinceR | "modern" web browsers present an enormous attack surface | Jul 15 23:19 |
| MinceR | and the specs are put together with tacks and chewing gum | Jul 15 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yup | Jul 15 23:46 |
| schestowitz | 64,175 new cases | Jul 15 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Moments ago the "official" number of #covid19 casualties in the US passed 140,000. And it's climbing up rather fast. Can be quarter million by election day. | Jul 15 23:47 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It seems logical to me, cynical though maybe, that if you're charging customers for support, you always want bugs.If there's no bugs, there's no need for support and they just go off and use something for free with no support.So it seems that there's incentive from the paid support distros to maybe make sure that GNOME has bugs, and there's incentive in KDE to fix bugs because almost no commercially supported | Jul 15 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | distribution is funding KDE. | Jul 15 23:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So there was always the derision and thumb nosing years back that only smelly manchildren in their mom's basement would use open source (part of the smearing that they paid instigators to do, and they still pay PR trolls to say things as shills, just different things). | Jul 15 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From what I've seen, the further away you can get from something that's "paid support available", the less problematic it is. That's not a law, but rather more often the case. | Jul 15 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If there's no need to draw in support based on bugs, you just fix the bugs. | Jul 15 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I think it could explain why the other desktops are generally more stable than GNOME. You don't have "paid support tickets" that go away if your product is more stable than it used to be. | Jul 15 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So in that regard, Red Hat has every incentive to be like the dirty mechanic that does bad work and breaks something else while he's in there. | Jul 15 23:55 |
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