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XRevan86MinceR: Which one is that?Jan 16 00:00
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Same reason why abortion is still legal 40 years later and with a conservative majority on the Supreme Court.Jan 16 00:00
DaemonFC[m]They don't want to overrule Roe. They can keep running against it forever as long as it's there.Jan 16 00:00
DaemonFC[m]They'd be overturning one of the biggest reasons people vote for them. Lucy and the football.Jan 16 00:00
MinceRXRevan86: WaterBoardingJan 16 00:00
XRevan86Just an LDPR meet-up %).Jan 16 00:00
DaemonFC[m]Even if they overruled Roe v. Wade, abortion would still be legal in over 20 states.Jan 16 00:01
schestowitzXRevan86: is he about to give birth?Jan 16 00:01
DaemonFC[m]We'd be about where we are now because red states have regulated abortion clinics so much that most of them don't even have one and you have to drive 4-5 hours to another state.Jan 16 00:01
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: so people are voting the republicans into power to do something they will never do because then those people would have no reason to vote for republicans anymore?Jan 16 00:01
*XRevan86 still remembers about the Zhirinovsky's call on radio where he described how during childhood an older peer taught him how to masturbate, in detail.Jan 16 00:02
XRevan86schestowitz: He's preparing to drop a bomb %)Jan 16 00:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows/Screencasts: FLOSS Weekly, Linux Headlines and Nitrux 13012020 Run Through []Jan 16 00:03
*XRevan86 is great at making references no one is aware of here.Jan 16 00:04
MinceRi think you were referring to give birth to something brown, stinky and somewhat similar to systemdJan 16 00:04
MinceRs/ive/iving/Jan 16 00:05
XRevan86As the eldest populist in Russian politics he mentioned a nuclear strike on X numerous times.Jan 16 00:05
XRevan86MinceR: But there's a connection to his rhetoric %)Jan 16 00:06
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XRevan86 a beautiful manJan 16 00:09
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Events: FSF/LibrePlanet 2020 and Free Software Foundation Europe/Perl/Raku []Jan 16 00:10
XRevan86(who aren't you laughing? you don't get it, right? This is Russia) – just a memeJan 16 00:10
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DaemonFC[m]> DaemonFC: so people are voting the republicans into power to do something they will never do because then those people would have no reason to vote for republicans anymore?Jan 16 00:19
DaemonFC[m]MinceR ExactlyJan 16 00:19
DaemonFC[m]And Republican voters are too stupid to realize it.Jan 16 00:19
MinceRlolJan 16 00:19
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Also, the US economy is strong because of Trump and weak because Obama at the same time.Jan 16 00:20
DaemonFC[m]And the Mexicans are both lazy and here to steal your job because they want to work.Jan 16 00:21
superkuhOh yeah! $80 billion dollar fed loans to insure market liquidity overnight repo and reverse repo multiple times a week. Super strong economy.Jan 16 00:21
superkuhThis used to happen once a generation.Jan 16 00:21
superkuhNow it happens 2 times a week.Jan 16 00:21
superkuhFor the last 5 months.Jan 16 00:21
superkuhOh... I see. You were aping being stupid.Jan 16 00:22
superkuhSorry. :|Jan 16 00:22
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schestowitzMinceR: so you just need to guess the order of 4 digitsJan 16 00:25
schestowitzcombinatoricsJan 16 00:25
DaemonFC[m]The Federal Reserve should just let the interest rate float at market rates regardless of what will happen immediately, because "intervention" causes more damage in the long term. Trying to set interest rates to speed up or slow down the economy chokes off legitimate borrowing and causes recessions in response to the low interest rates you used to entice people to borrow and spend in the first place, which got dumpedJan 16 00:25
DaemonFC[m]into stupid shit because that's what people do with cheap money.Jan 16 00:25
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DaemonFC[m]To try to suggest the Fed isn't (1) heavily politicized or (2) is making healthy long term decisions is ridiculous. They're stuffed with Trump people who are addicting the market to low interest rates to get him re-elected with a "paper recovery" that will be a complete wipeout later.Jan 16 00:26
schestowitz[00:09] <XRevan86> a beautiful manJan 16 00:27
schestowitzweird laughter, static imageJan 16 00:27
DaemonFC[m]Zero interest car loans all turning bad at once will be just one of the things that happens. Loan default rates are going up steadily and nobody is talking much because cutting people off or checking their income would cause factories to stall out and be idled.Jan 16 00:28
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DaemonFC[m]This is just about the worst sort of Central Planning that I could name. Trump's Central Planning is worse than Communist Five Year Plans that were at least trying to get something real done.Jan 16 00:29
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schestowitzhe's the centralJan 16 00:29
schestowitzthe rest? Planning for survivalJan 16 00:30
DaemonFC[m]Spending is "down", yeah, funny how that works when nobody has money under this clown.Jan 16 00:30
XRevan86schestowitz: The image shouldn't be static…Jan 16 00:32
MinceRschestowitz: one particular order seems pretty likelyJan 16 00:33
XRevan86Then 16 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Жириновский. Не смешно? Это Россия! - YouTubeJan 16 00:33
schestowitzMinceR: if the person behind the door was blondJan 16 00:34
MinceRor just a typical humanJan 16 00:34
schestowitzrightJan 16 00:34
schestowitzI overestimate himans...Jan 16 00:34
schestowitzmy code at the gym's locket sucks tooJan 16 00:35
schestowitzbut enough to discourage people I already know anywayJan 16 00:35
schestowitzand those stupid lockers rarely work anywayJan 16 00:35
schestowitz"Smart"Jan 16 00:35
schestowitzit's smart to have a keyJan 16 00:35
schestowitzit's hard to just manufacture of cut keysJan 16 00:35
schestowitz*orJan 16 00:36
MinceR 16 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Simpsons-Am So Smart - YouTubeJan 16 00:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Homer Simpson and Bill Gates buy out - YouTubeJan 16 00:40
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MinceRlolJan 16 00:41
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XRevan86It's funny, because it's a joke, but it's also unintentionally true.Jan 16 00:44
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: There was someone speculating that if a person in Congress was convicted of a crime, they could stay out of jail for at least as long as their term had left on it by furnishing their office and just living in it.Jan 16 01:11
DaemonFC[m]Some members of Congress do that anyway. There are a few that aren't rich enough to maintain an apartment in DC away from their district.Jan 16 01:11
DaemonFC[m]But it's so embarrassing to have a convicted criminal in Congress that it hasn't happened.Jan 16 01:12
DaemonFC[m]If they plead guilty, they get expelled from Congress pretty quickly.Jan 16 01:12
DaemonFC[m]I suppose for a minor crime they might get away with a censure, but most of them that have actually been expelled for refusing to resign were taking bribes, having sex with kids, and stuff like that.Jan 16 01:13
DaemonFC[m]They didn't forget to pay a speeding ticket or something.Jan 16 01:14
Hail_Spacecakeif everyone in congress agreed it was a serious crime they could be expelledJan 16 01:19
Hail_Spacecakeif only one faction agreed that their crime was actually serious they could refuse to vote to do soJan 16 01:19
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DaemonFC[m]It takes a supermajority, but in most cases removing a member who has been very naughty is easy because the rest of their party abandons them and strips them of their committee assignments until the vote to expel can proceed.Jan 16 01:33
DaemonFC[m]They didn't get around to expelling James Trafficant for a while, but he remained a member of the House with no committee assignments and no right to vote on anything until they removed him.Jan 16 01:34
DaemonFC[m]The reason it takes a supermajority is so that a simple majority vote after each election wouldn't start expelling members of the other party for no reason.Jan 16 01:35
DaemonFC[m]What we're seeing with the filibuster shows that they probably would.Jan 16 01:35
DaemonFC[m]The only reason nobody has gone after the filibuster on legislation is because the filibuster on legislation is legislation, not just a Senate rule.Jan 16 01:36
DaemonFC[m]The result of the Byrd Rule (the law that implements the Senate legislation filibuster) is that everyone threatens a filibuster on everything major and then the Senate switches immediately to other business.Jan 16 01:37
DaemonFC[m]Then when the budget bill for the year happens, everyone tries to stick everything on it and see what the Parliamentarian allows.Jan 16 01:37
DaemonFC[m]The Parliamentarian has to figure out if it has an effect on the federal budget. If it doesn't, it can't be on the budget bill.Jan 16 01:38
DaemonFC[m]If it has a negative effect on revenue, they have to make it revenue neutral (usually using a gimmick that doesn't do that at all).Jan 16 01:38
DaemonFC[m]*deficit-neutralJan 16 01:39
DaemonFC[m]They also can't touch issues that were passed with a 60 vote majority the first time around.Jan 16 01:40
DaemonFC[m]It's crazy.Jan 16 01:40
DaemonFC[m]That's why they had all of these idiotic partial Obamacare repeal bills that would have made everything worse.Jan 16 01:40
MinceR:>Jan 16 01:43
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So they had this great idea.Jan 16 01:44
DaemonFC[m]Let's just repeal all the parts that everyone hates.Jan 16 01:45
DaemonFC[m]The part everyone hated was the fine to the IRS if they didn't have insurance. 40% support.Jan 16 01:45
DaemonFC[m]Okay, the Medicaid expansion had support like 72%, the subsidies and exchanges were fairly popular, most of the individual items are pretty popular.Jan 16 01:46
DaemonFC[m]So what happened? They ensured that the people who were complaining about paying a fine just go "Meh!" while all of the people who get insurance through the law love it.Jan 16 01:46
DaemonFC[m]They made repeal pretty difficult in the future because lots of people are getting an entitlement and nobody is paying fines.Jan 16 01:47
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They painted themselves into a corner though.Jan 16 01:48
DaemonFC[m]If they did go ahead and repeal the fine, there'd be less support for repealing the entire law later.Jan 16 01:48
DaemonFC[m]If they didn't do anything, their voters would say "I'm still paying this fucking fine! Why aren't you doing anything?" and disappear on them in the next election.Jan 16 01:49
DaemonFC[m]So they were actually forced to make Obamacare more popular to avoid facing the wrath of voters who voted for them because they were being fined.Jan 16 01:49
MinceR:>Jan 16 01:49
DaemonFC[m]The funny part is that Obama didn't want a fine in the first place because he said it would make some people angry, then they gave him a law with the fine, he signed it, and the Democrats started facing the wrath of the voters immediately.Jan 16 01:50
DaemonFC[m]But Obama himself held on.Jan 16 01:50
DaemonFC[m]Then he ended up spending the remaining 6 years turning to a regulatory agenda.Jan 16 01:51
DaemonFC[m]Republicans were in Congress and they weren't passing more of his laws, so he started having agencies pass as many regulations as possible. Most weren't intended to stick. They were just designed to be so awful that when a Republican president won, he'd have to turn his attention to reversing them all.Jan 16 01:52
DaemonFC[m]Regulations are just as difficult to reverse as they were to come up with, so most presidents go after a few and then give up.Jan 16 01:53
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The Russians were just so nasty in Afghanistan. I mean, if the US had ever dropped toys that were supposed to explode when children picked them up....Jan 16 03:05
DaemonFC[m]The Soviet Union....I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. A lot of the people it ruled over despised it, they were just individually too afraid to say anything.Jan 16 03:06
DaemonFC[m]That's how terrible governments stay in power. They literally scare people into not saying anything.Jan 16 03:06
MinceRpeople everywhere are too scared to abolish the stateJan 16 03:07
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DaemonFC[m]Hmm, Microsoft plans to continue EdgeHTML in maintenance mode for Windows Store apps. Jan 16 03:48
DaemonFC[m]I guess that means you could make your own browser that embeds it. Not sure why you would.Jan 16 03:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla lays off 70 people as non-search revenue fails to materialize | Ars TechnicaJan 16 05:53
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla laid off 7% of their employees today.Jan 16 05:53
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I headJan 16 08:38
schestowitzMitchell pays herself more than 2 million  a yearJan 16 08:38
schestowitzshe could pay 70 salaries of $30k with that moneyJan 16 08:38
schestowitz2.3 million she got last they disclosedJan 16 08:38
schestowitzmaybe in SF area it's not enoughJan 16 08:39
schestowitzbut their employees are based in many placesJan 16 08:39
schestowitzdanielinux's colleague left Mozilla last yearJan 16 08:39
schestowitzA few more left MozillzJan 16 08:39
schestowitzso the decrease in staffing may be more than 70 people or 7% as you put itJan 16 08:40
schestowitz[08:38] <schestowitz> DaemonFC[m]: I headJan 16 08:43
schestowitz*heardJan 16 08:43
schestowitzit's already in tuxmachinesJan 16 08:43
schestowitz[23:21] [Notice] -viera to #techrights- Tux Machines: Readying for the Future at Mozilla []Jan 16 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Readying for the Future at Mozilla | Tux MachinesJan 16 08:43
schestowitzby MitchelJan 16 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PleromaJan 16 08:43
schestowitznotice her misleading titleJan 16 08:43
schestowitzmanagement BSJan 16 08:43
schestowitzI added the layoff news as a comment there laterJan 16 08:44
schestowitzfound that in Linux TodayJan 16 08:44
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schestowitzMicrosoft Paul   ttps:// 16 11:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Launches the New Edge - Thurrott.comJan 16 11:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ #Microsoft nowadays uses the freedom of Free software to attack both this software and our collective freedom. The company did not change. Still run by BIG criminals. 16 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | Microsoft Continues to Get Away With Serious Crimes Very Cheaply | TechrightsJan 16 11:05
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schestowitzon Gates:Jan 16 15:27
schestowitz> Roy,Jan 16 15:28
schestowitz> Jan 16 15:28
schestowitz> Could you make a page that I can link people to that has a list of allJan 16 15:28
schestowitz> your posts related to this case?Jan 16 15:28
schestowitz> Jan 16 15:28
schestowitz> Will be helpful to keep one that is updated as you release more parts inJan 16 15:28
schestowitz> your series. I’d include all the relevant posts there. Jan 16 15:28
schestowitz> Jan 16 15:28
schestowitz> Also, I’m really looking forward to seeing what you dig up from theJan 16 15:28
schestowitz> court case file. Jan 16 15:28
schestowitzYou're right, I need to set up a wiki page for this series alone, seeing how long it has gotten. Maybe this weekend I'll get around to it.Jan 16 15:28
schestowitz*new feedbackJan 16 15:28
schestowitzThe person continued: "But back to the general rot, this quote has disappeared from Spaf's home  page in recent years: <em>"Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted."</em> (by Prof. Eugene H "Spaf" Spafford, father of the field of Internet Security)Jan 16 15:37
schestowitzJan 16 15:37
schestowitzJan 16 15:37
schestowitzI may use that later, thanks.Jan 16 15:37
schestowitz>> When I was about 24 Microsoft trolls provoked me and I replied rudely atJan 16 15:38
schestowitz>> least once. They used that for a while after that, then forgot it.Jan 16 15:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla lays off 70 employees to prepare for tough years ahead - gHacks Tech NewsJan 16 15:46
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schestowitzthey have like 1000 workers, smnthermesJan 16 15:58
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Intel sabotages their old products again. Anything older thab skylake just got the graphics performance cut in half by a "security patch".Jan 16 16:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Microsoft is a Market Leader in Lying and Corruption []Jan 16 16:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Jan 16 16:18
schestowitzlolJan 16 16:32
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]:  good luck...Jan 16 16:32
schestowitzI know t wo people who recently quit IntelJan 16 16:32
schestowitzI cannot name themJan 16 16:32
schestowitzbut they're people I've known for many yearsJan 16 16:32
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DaemonFC[m]> DaemonFC:  good luck...Jan 16 18:41
DaemonFC[m]The Skylake patch for that one didn't affect performance. It just clears a buffer on context switches.Jan 16 18:41
DaemonFC[m]So my laptop wouldn't get hurt too much. Unfortunately, I'm still stuck on Linux 5.3.10 because of them not merging the soft RC6 power management patches yet.Jan 16 18:42
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schestowitzis someone here good with cruoton, cubexyz maybe?Jan 16 19:50
schestowitzwe need urgent helpJan 16 19:50
schestowitzRianne's laotpJan 16 19:50
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Google Killing Things (Chrome Cookies and Chrome Apps) []Jan 16 20:03
DaemonFC[m]Killing third party cookies makes sense. Google can host their own tracking cookies and Google Analytics can place them on your computer as the website that hosts it.Jan 16 20:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectJan 16 20:27
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DaemonFC[m]What's going on with Mozilla is sad.Jan 16 21:16
DaemonFC[m]They've thrown away a lot of goodwill towards their main product by burying it in ads and gimmicky features nobody uses.Jan 16 21:16
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DaemonFC[m]For the money they pissed away buying Pocket so they can sell subscriptions to what exactly...Jan 16 21:17
DaemonFC[m]Then they turned it into this weird ad scheme on the new tab page that's crammed full of shitty sponsored ad stories.Jan 16 21:17
MinceRinstead of making their main product better, they're making it worseJan 16 21:17
DaemonFC[m]And apparently it didn't bring in enough revenue to matter.Jan 16 21:18
DaemonFC[m]If anything it chased away more users and made their search royalties go down.Jan 16 21:18
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I strongly opposed the idea of making WebkitGTK render jpeg2000. The patents are probably not a concern, but the code is.Jan 16 21:22
DaemonFC[m]The thing has a long history of severe security issues and it's managed about like openSSL is.Jan 16 21:22
MinceRhow so?Jan 16 21:22
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I proposed making the user agent report Google Chrome globally since everyone is now anyway.Jan 16 21:23
DaemonFC[m]That would have stopped akamai and friends from assuming Safari and oh we'll just send jpeg2000.Jan 16 21:23
DaemonFC[m]Right now everyone thinks we're Safari and that's not much better. If anything it's worse.Jan 16 21:25
DaemonFC[m]Because sites will try sending you dmg files and shit even though Linux and Epiphany are also in the UA.Jan 16 21:25
MinceRi wonder if crApple can force jpeg2000 on people the way they forced h.264Jan 16 21:25
DaemonFC[m]Jpeg2000 isn't as bad.Jan 16 21:25
DaemonFC[m]If anyone actually fixed the reference software, it's not like it's a patent threat anymore.Jan 16 21:26
DaemonFC[m]Gecko and Blink don't support it, so it's not generally used.Jan 16 21:26
DaemonFC[m]But some caching servers use it to save bandwidth if they think you have Safari.Jan 16 21:27
DaemonFC[m]Jpeg2000 has the same visual quality at about a third the file size of jpeg.Jan 16 21:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dear Ubuntu: Please Stop Packaging Epiphany If You Won’t Do It Properly – Michael CatanzaroJan 16 22:10
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DaemonFC[m]WebkitGTK is comparable to Mobile Safari in standards support, but supports open media codecs like WebM, but has the WebRTC and webcam stuff turned off.Jan 16 22:12
DaemonFC[m]It'll work, but if you want to use Facebook Chat, you'll either need Chrome or Firefox set to lie to Facebook and say it's Chrome.Jan 16 22:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: broot, VokoscreenNG, Kubic with Kubernetes []Jan 16 22:13
DaemonFC[m]While Firefox is totally compatible, Facebook has blocked it from video calls by UA sniffing.Jan 16 22:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Arch Adopting Zstandard and More []Jan 16 22:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat: 'Cloud', 'Study', Hoodies and OpenShift []Jan 16 22:21
schestowitzwow. 16 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CANGuardCanada: @hllfrezenovr 16 22:22
schestowitzcan someone find whee he said that?Jan 16 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Sites that sniff UA and serve broken pages deliberately don't deserve a real UA.Jan 16 22:29
DaemonFC[m]But Mozilla refuses to fix it like that and Facebook won't get rid of their block.Jan 16 22:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos []Jan 16 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Some of their lost usage share is their own fault.Jan 16 22:30
DaemonFC[m]If sites break deliberately, you lie to them.Jan 16 22:30
DaemonFC[m]We're back to where you had to fake IE 6 user agents to get into your bank.Jan 16 22:30
DaemonFC[m]Opera had to carry a Javascript program that patched broken websites to work in Presto so they wouldn't need to implement quirks mode in the rendering engine.Jan 16 22:31
DaemonFC[m]I browsed the state of that Javascript in Opera 12. It was about 160 KB and carrying patches for over 500 websites.Jan 16 22:32
DaemonFC[m]Including a Yahoo stock ticker that would run through the middle of the page in a strictly standards complaint browser.Jan 16 22:32
DaemonFC[m]An Opera employee told me if you want to see what the web really looked like in a browser that was strict, delete that quirks Javascript.Jan 16 22:33
DaemonFC[m]It made sense to carry it outside the browser itself because they frequently updated that file.Jan 16 22:33
MinceR 16 22:34
DaemonFC[m]Web standards evangelism is a lost cause.Jan 16 22:35
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Welcoming the new Board of Directors at The Document Foundation []Jan 16 22:40
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Rust, LLVM, COBOL and More []Jan 16 22:46
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Show: Linux Headlines, TLLTS, Self-Hosted and BSD Now []Jan 16 22:59
XRevan86MinceR: PRC got to be the world's factory for… it's great social security.Jan 16 23:02
XRevan86Every manufacturer went there naturally inclined to get the healthiest most happy workers.Jan 16 23:03
MinceRXRevan86: lolJan 16 23:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers []Jan 16 23:10
psydroidand they simply love acrobaticsJan 16 23:12
MinceRyeah, i've heard jumping off the roof into a net was a big thing thereJan 16 23:12
XRevan86One moment they're here, the other they're in some camp?Jan 16 23:14
MinceRtraining camp for acrobatics?Jan 16 23:15
XRevan86MinceR: Could be.Jan 16 23:18
MinceRor it could be a camp where they teach you to concentrate, i guessJan 16 23:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 16/1/2020: Mozilla Layoffs, PinePhone Braveheart Shipping, KDE Plasma 5.18 LTS Reaches Beta []Jan 16 23:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PaperWM: tiled window management for GNOME []Jan 16 23:35
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Original and additional coverage of Zorin Grid []Jan 16 23:48

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