●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, January 16, 2021 ●● ● Jan 16 [00:00] DaemonFC[m] Nope. Since they added Microsoft crap and then T-Mobile tweaked it to demand your location for "analytics" even when you told it no. [00:00] MinceR :> [00:01] schestowitz [23:59] the ability to comment has already disappeared from many sites [00:01] schestowitz Twitter [00:01] schestowitz high-profile people block comments [00:01] schestowitz Twitter gives them that option [00:01] schestowitz even if they have publicly accessible accounts (to all) [00:01] DaemonFC[m] There's this thing called Google Location Accuracy which "improves" your location using wifi and Bluetooth, but if you don't turn it off, it starts demanding bluetooth and wifi to be turned on with a tray notification ever time I go into my apartment. [00:01] schestowitz they want to control how their lies are seen [00:01] MinceR CrystalMath: basically, companies aren't going to risk their hides for anyone and authoritarians (of which we have a huge surplus) are going to insist on being able to punish someone when content that offends them gets posted [00:01] DaemonFC[m] I didn't even figure out how to make that stop until just now. [00:02] DaemonFC[m] The far-right is pissed because THEY are on the receiving end, not the giving end, of the apparatus. [00:02] DaemonFC[m] If that ever changed they'd drop the pretense of caring about free speech. [00:02] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/13/us/google-location-tracking-police.html [00:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police - The New York Times [00:03] schestowitz stop carrying those shitty devices [00:03] schestowitz please [00:03] schestowitz AND [00:03] schestowitz tell other people to do the same [00:03] DaemonFC[m] You think they want a free speech platform that gives progressives a platform? Parler said unmoderated and then when progressives came and started posting, they all got thrown off and banned. [00:03] schestowitz because their tracking devices are used to also track people nearby [00:03] MinceR schestowitz: how am i supposed to access the Internet? [00:03] schestowitz laptop maybe [00:03] MinceR and how is that laptop going to connect to the network? [00:03] CrystalMath schestowitz: i have a nokia 3310 from 2000 [00:03] CrystalMath am i safe? [00:04] schestowitz the laptops doesn't talk to the towers all the time [00:04] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: A free speech app is all the "news" says about Parler, without mentioning that they threw progressives off for saying things like the minimum wage should be higher. [00:04] CrystalMath i keep the phone mostly at home [00:04] MinceR schestowitz: they do if they use a cellular network [00:04] DaemonFC[m] They nipped it in the bud because all they want is QAnon on there. [00:04] schestowitz CrystalMath: not for location tracking [00:04] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: yeah parleri s very anti-free speech [00:04] CrystalMath schestowitz: my SIM card is anonymous [00:04] MinceR DaemonFC[m]: ah, "free speech" [00:04] schestowitz CrystalMath: then you greatly minimise the downsides [00:05] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Some shady people who incorporated in Nevada. [00:05] MinceR schestowitz: also, having the cellular chip built right into the laptop likely exposes the laptop to security holes [00:05] DaemonFC[m] Won't even tell people who really owns it. [00:05] DaemonFC[m] Wants your driver's license and Social Security cards. [00:05] schestowitz [00:04] schestowitz: my SIM card is anonymous [00:05] schestowitz won't help [00:05] DaemonFC[m] And they leaked those too in the end. [00:05] schestowitz even if you top up with cash [00:05] schestowitz they can see where it's homed [00:05] DaemonFC[m] Even though they said they deleted it after verification. [00:05] CrystalMath it's prepaid and i pay with cash ofc [00:05] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: People lie, you know. [00:05] schestowitz so the signals agencies know who owns the device [00:06] DaemonFC[m] If they say you can't know who owns the company, why would you send them that kind of ID? [00:06] CrystalMath schestowitz: i doubt triangulation is that precise [00:06] psydroid they can link it to your home address [00:06] DaemonFC[m] No wonder the FBI keeps filing 100 new charges per day from the Capitol riot. [00:06] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:06] DaemonFC[m] Most of them were on Parler and doxxed themselves. [00:06] schestowitz CrystalMath: depends [00:06] DaemonFC[m] Complete with their driver's license. [00:06] schestowitz maybe not in Serbia (Was it?) [00:07] CrystalMath serbia, but like, the question is how precise is triangulation [00:07] schestowitz here I checked and where we live they approximate about 1-2 meters range [00:07] schestowitz maybe near a tower they can do sub-meter [00:07] CrystalMath even a meter off could be beyond the limits of my property [00:07] CrystalMath because of where i keep it [00:07] CrystalMath 2 would already be very ambiguous [00:07] schestowitz I often wonder about altitudes [00:08] CrystalMath that too, is very important [00:08] schestowitz like in apartment buildings. As the towers are now spread high up [00:08] schestowitz they are spread horizontally, not vertically [00:08] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/pentagon-national-guard-inauguration/index.html [00:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pentagon authorizes 25,000 National Guard members for inauguration - CNNPolitics [00:08] MinceR if they really wanted, they could use mobile antennas to triangulate your device [00:08] schestowitz so in large building it's expensive to figure out, based on voices, who's who [00:08] schestowitz but they can figure it out based on who you phone [00:08] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: They sent in 5,000 _more_. Total 25,000 troops on the ground in DC now. [00:08] CrystalMath schestowitz: yeah that would be easy then [00:09] schestowitz "mom", "dad", "boss", "colleague" [00:09] CrystalMath by whom i phone, with this SIM [00:09] CrystalMath it's very easy to tell a lot about me [00:09] DaemonFC[m] There's a standing army encamped in DC because of QAnon at the moment. [00:09] schestowitz that can be automated and matched up against databases with social and family graphs [00:09] CrystalMath like who i am and where i work [00:09] DaemonFC[m] It's time to admit that this was allowed to get way out of hand. [00:09] CrystalMath schestowitz: but i don't take that phone with me much [00:09] schestowitz but you phone people [00:09] CrystalMath sure, from the landline as well [00:09] schestowitz and you are on some people's address books [00:09] schestowitz which go to "the clown" [00:09] schestowitz Google etc. [00:10] schestowitz some "Apps" like Skype take those address books [00:10] schestowitz or call history [00:10] schestowitz hoovering them up when you press OK upon install [00:10] schestowitz "yeah, yeah... whatever... I accept" [00:10] CrystalMath well i think getting away from that would be way more difficult [00:10] CrystalMath at least i managed to reduce the surveillance to 2000s levels [00:10] schestowitz nothing is easy [00:11] schestowitz I don't talk personal things on the phone [00:11] CrystalMath or maybe even 90s levels [00:11] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/capitol-capture-assassinate-elected-officials/index.html [00:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-US takes back its assertion that Capitol rioters wanted to 'capture and assassinate' officials - CNNPolitics [00:11] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: He was/wasn't going to kill them with his spear and magic helmet. [00:11] DaemonFC[m] Spear and magic helmet? [00:11] DaemonFC[m] SPEAR AND MAGIC HEEEEEELMET! [00:11] DaemonFC[m] -CNN [00:11] schestowitz stop with this CNN noise [00:12] schestowitz it's not news [00:12] schestowitz it's tribal crap [00:12] DaemonFC[m] I just thought it was a way to make a Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd reference. [00:12] schestowitz optimised for ratings and ads [00:12] schestowitz (and agenda) [00:12] schestowitz they also make caricatures of people [00:12] schestowitz as foes Fox [00:12] schestowitz to distract from the severity of the social divide [00:13] schestowitz a lot of them are like your parebts, DaemonFC[m] [00:13] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Yes, "Betty" sat in her house alone and watching CNN, Fox, and the 700 Club all day. [00:13] schestowitz misguided, bigoted, desperate [00:13] DaemonFC[m] Convinced that the world would end several times. [00:13] schestowitz media calling them names won't help [00:13] DaemonFC[m] Hoarding the aforementioned food that went bad. [00:13] DaemonFC[m] Fortunately it did some good. Gonad broke his toe on it. [00:13] DaemonFC[m] Good for Betty! [00:13] schestowitz lol [00:14] schestowitz he kicked the bucket [00:14] schestowitz first literally [00:14] schestowitz then metaphorically [00:14] schestowitz or kicked the can [00:14] DaemonFC[m] All you need to do if you want someone dead is wait long enough. It'll happen. [00:14] schestowitz of canned veg [00:14] schestowitz yes, well... [00:14] schestowitz if you want to piss someone off [00:14] schestowitz and that someone is a lot older [00:14] schestowitz there's a recipe [00:14] schestowitz my dad taught me this [00:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [00:15] schestowitz when MS Jack fought with me online [00:15] schestowitz Remind them they don't have much time left [00:15] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: as you and I are in our 30s [00:15] schestowitz and these people are in their 60s and 70s [00:15] schestowitz he told me [00:15] schestowitz make it seem polite [00:15] DaemonFC[m] It's a sign of just how shitty things are right now. [00:15] schestowitz but squeeze a little [00:16] DaemonFC[m] These mall companies and restaurants are now offering 20-30% rebates if you buy their gift cards. [00:16] schestowitz "i don't want to argue with you, I realise you're a lot older so I don't want to hurt your feelings [00:16] schestowitz then they go BALLISTIC [00:16] DaemonFC[m] Dicey investment given that they are teetering on bankruptcy and gift cards make you an unsecured creditor. [00:16] schestowitz you get discount for the risk [00:17] schestowitz the possibility those cards are just worthless currency [00:17] schestowitz pieces of paper [00:17] schestowitz that nobody will honour [00:17] schestowitz but it's no joke [00:17] schestowitz people will get aggressive or kill themselves [00:17] DaemonFC[m] Oh I know, my grandmother was in her 70s. You'd think of all people she could calm down and enjoy her pension checks and Social Security and do some gardening. [00:17] DaemonFC[m] In the house, constant doom gloom and boom from those idiots, and even if it was true, she had less time left to suffer under it than I do. [00:18] schestowitz case of point is, many of those oligarchs don't have much left to live [00:18] schestowitz Trump's doctor has just died [00:18] DaemonFC[m] She's bordering 90 now and in the nursing home and none of that constant panic did her any good, did it? [00:18] DaemonFC[m] Just threw away the rest of her life. [00:18] schestowitz https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/nyregion/harold-bornstein-dead.html [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Harold N. Bornstein, Trumps Former Personal Physician, Dies at 73 - The New York Times [00:18] schestowitz Trump is next [00:19] schestowitz his brother died last year [00:19] DaemonFC[m] Yep, the deplorables are dropping like flies. [00:19] CrystalMath i'm in my 20s and i'm also against the US democrats [00:19] CrystalMath i support the US libertarian party [00:19] CrystalMath (from outside the US, as much as i can) [00:19] DaemonFC[m] So far we did lose a covetous Jew though, a real one. [00:20] DaemonFC[m] Sheldon Adelson [00:20] schestowitz Adelson? [00:20] schestowitz yeah, beat me to it [00:20] DaemonFC[m] Yep yep. [00:20] schestowitz Nobody will miss him [00:20] schestowitz his casinos will rot away [00:20] schestowitz they cannot operate legally [00:20] schestowitz and people won't do that crap (or craps) over the Net [00:20] schestowitz nobody to show off to, the posing doesn't work when you sit there on a chair at home [00:21] CrystalMath nothing wrong with casinos [00:21] CrystalMath over here casinos are freaking everywhere, and the only non-essential businesses that were open every second of 2020 [00:21] schestowitz the biggest casino is still "in business" [00:21] schestowitz wall street [00:21] CrystalMath casinos are essential [00:22] schestowitz for covid [00:22] CrystalMath :P [00:22] schestowitz people touching cards and handles [00:22] schestowitz and for what? a game? [00:22] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Mandy asked why there was pepper spray on the counter. [00:22] DaemonFC[m] I told him I had to go into the courthouse to vote. [00:22] DaemonFC[m] He asks didn't we just have an election. [00:23] schestowitz local [00:23] DaemonFC[m] I told him yes, and this is so stupid, but we have to do the local ones on odd years just a few months later. [00:23] schestowitz I wonder how we'll vote this year for the Council [00:23] schestowitz different things [00:23] schestowitz fire services, police, roadwork [00:23] DaemonFC[m] I voted to throw out Mr. Sexual Harassment ICE Collaborator (Sam Cunningham). [00:24] DaemonFC[m] Replace him with a big block Mexican guy. [00:24] CrystalMath but in general i support casinos [00:24] schestowitz seems Manchester does better now against COVID spread [00:24] CrystalMath like, the idea [00:24] schestowitz one in 200 has it [00:24] schestowitz based on testing anyway [00:24] schestowitz sans extrapolation [00:24] schestowitz so those would be the ones showing symptoms, I guess [00:25] DaemonFC[m] Even if the sexual harassment allegation is untrue, the ICE collaboration was confirmed, and when it was made public he had the cop that was in charge of that resign. [00:25] schestowitz we're in no rush to get tested, which is safer and likely more effective than the 'vaccine' [00:25] schestowitz I reckon we don't have it [00:25] schestowitz and not the antibodies either [00:25] schestowitz i.e. did not have it before [00:25] DaemonFC[m] But........As mayor, he's responsible for the police department. They couldn't have made that decision on their own. And it's not even legal to work with ICE here. [00:25] schestowitz it'll get harder to avoid it over time [00:26] DaemonFC[m] Yes, because it's turned into an avalanche. [00:26] schestowitz quadratic growth [00:26] schestowitz worse than in March [00:26] DaemonFC[m] With 10 million new cases this month and 16 million next month and 25 million the month later. [00:26] schestowitz you can tell by the piles of death people [00:26] schestowitz we broke the record this month [00:27] DaemonFC[m] It took us 9 months to get to 20 million I think. [00:27] schestowitz we're at over 3 milion now [00:27] DaemonFC[m] Then there will be 40 million by the end of this month. [00:27] schestowitz that's about as many as receive Dose One (TM) from Viagra Company(TM) [00:27] DaemonFC[m] So it only takes 2 months to do what the past 9 months total did, and if you think the hospitals are full now, guess what it'll look like at the end of next month. [00:28] schestowitz so covid spreads faster, on average, than the jabs [00:28] schestowitz outpacing the clinical trials [00:28] DaemonFC[m] But thanks to USCIS, we have to go to Chicago in the middle of this and have Immigration go over our bank records and wedding pictures and ask us what brand of toothpaste we use. [00:28] schestowitz which have yet to prove any positive effect, or significant effecr [00:28] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: that overlooks the greater issue [00:28] schestowitz not how many are ful [00:28] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: It'll probably be like the trustee thing at the bk court. [00:29] schestowitz but the TYPES of patients [00:29] schestowitz they turn away many people [00:29] DaemonFC[m] Mom is right about this stuff at least. It's stupid, but just play the game. [00:29] schestowitz even those who need screenings, bed, nurse oversight [00:29] DaemonFC[m] They've had COVID in the facility where she works a few times but by dumb luck, no major outbreak. [00:30] schestowitz maybe because they prayed [00:30] DaemonFC[m] Most nursing homes in Indiana where it gets in, that's in man. Game over man. Game over! [00:30] DaemonFC[m] But these idiots who run the facility just let all these other idiots that work there walk around with their masks under their noses. [00:30] DaemonFC[m] And are yet to be overrun. [00:30] schestowitz they can bring it in from home [00:30] schestowitz spouse [00:31] schestowitz unless they sleep in the facilities [00:31] schestowitz A BN engineer ('open' reach) was here yesterday [00:31] DaemonFC[m] They don't. The administrator and her husband were laughing about not wearing their masks. [00:31] schestowitz their protocols ae strict [00:31] DaemonFC[m] Then they both got diagnosed with it and had to go into quarantine. [00:31] schestowitz I talk to him from another room [00:31] schestowitz window wide open, zero degrees outside [00:32] schestowitz mask on, hoodie [00:32] schestowitz he has ppe [00:32] DaemonFC[m] What I'm saying is that there's a lot of dumb trash out there who have nursing licenses and blow this off as some sort of a joke at least on their own time. [00:33] DaemonFC[m] Then they bring it into the nursing home they work at because of that and kill 20-30 old people. [00:33] techrights-bot Ash Farrow keeps banning people whose politics he does not agree with. And this is what happens... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNTZNglGLZM [00:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DistroToot Is Now Accepting New Members - YouTube [00:34] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I know the masks aren't perfect for the wearer. [00:34] DaemonFC[m] They don't have to be if everyone wears them. [00:34] schestowitz I got used to them [00:34] schestowitz the skin and the nerves get accustomed [00:35] schestowitz the door-to-door engineers are a potential vector [00:35] schestowitz but were were first on his route, 8am [00:35] schestowitz so first home he'd enter [00:35] DaemonFC[m] I wear the cloth ones and just wash them in detergent, hot water, and in that hand crank machine I have in the kitchen. [00:35] schestowitz that's what we do too [00:35] schestowitz rianne is next in line to buy food [00:35] schestowitz I did twice in a row [00:36] DaemonFC[m] I do it every day now. I bought my own spray for the cart handles. [00:36] schestowitz since covid lockdowns started we've managed to get the same foods for even lower prices [00:37] DaemonFC[m] The guy at Walmart actually yelled at me for doing that the other day. Said they already did. I told him, "What's it to you? If that guy did a fantastic job just come over here and touch it yourself. No?". [00:37] schestowitz since I don't like travelling much anyway, it doesn't bother me in any way except maybe using sauna facilities and such stuff [00:37] DaemonFC[m] Like, he's a door greeter yelling at me for moving out of the way and spraying a cart handle with stuff I paid for. [00:38] schestowitz weird [00:38] schestowitz my dad does the same [00:38] schestowitz and memorises where it was sanitised [00:38] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, it's not an overreaction of any kind from the numbers I'm seeing here each day. [00:38] DaemonFC[m] I go over the entire handle. [00:38] schestowitz my skin is better off now, I barely ever touch it [00:39] DaemonFC[m] Then I use sanitizer on the way out (from the store's bottle). Then put the groceries in the car and more sanitizer (mine) including under my nails and stuff, before I drive off. [00:39] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: the problem is when you pick an item and then touch the handle [00:39] schestowitz so mask on, never touch face, no open wounds either [00:40] schestowitz and distance from people who... well, breathe [00:40] schestowitz even then we wash all the items one by one [00:40] DaemonFC[m] Some of the employees there slip their masks off I've noticed. [00:40] DaemonFC[m] Or touch their mask then their face. [00:40] schestowitz because we cannot leave cold items to quarantine for 3 days, they'd spoil [00:41] techrights-bot Junichi Uekawa: It's been 20 years since I became a Debian Developer. http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/diary/daily/2021-Jan-16.html.en#2021-Jan-16-09:22:29 #debian #gnu #linux #jp #japan [00:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netfort.gr.jp | It's been 20 years since I became a Debian Developer. [00:42] DaemonFC[m] Yes, the mask does remind you not to touch your face. [00:42] DaemonFC[m] I also wear glasses, so puts something in the way of rubbing my eyes. [00:42] techrights-bot Sean Michael Kerner: #ScyllaDB #NoSQL #database to improve with Project Circe https://searchdatamanagement.techtarget.com/news/252494913/ScyllaDB-NoSQL-database-to-improve-with-Project-Circe [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchdatamanagement.techtarget.com | ScyllaDB NoSQL database to improve with Project Circe [00:43] schestowitz or people sneezing into them [00:43] schestowitz protective plastic glasses can help [00:43] schestowitz I have those sport ones, just protective ones [00:43] schestowitz didn't think of using them as ppe [00:43] schestowitz but I suppose that might enhance protection [00:44] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I sneeze in the masks all the time. [00:44] DaemonFC[m] Have to soak them a while to get that out. :P [00:46] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: even if you touch your face, you can't infect others easily when you have a mask on [00:46] techrights-bot #corporateMedia has made #clinicalTrials and "vaccine" synonyms. This is wrong. This is a cause for concern. It's worse than what #russia does at the moment. [00:46] CrystalMath i similarly don't care about myself being infected [00:46] CrystalMath i'm 100% certain that i will not mind the outcome if i get covid [00:46] CrystalMath (because i wouldn't mind dying either) [00:46] CrystalMath whatever happens, happens, i trust nature's decision, even if it means removing me [00:47] schestowitz collective responsibility [00:47] CrystalMath i do care about not infecting others [00:47] MinceR you wouldn't mind a lifetime of suffering either? [00:47] CrystalMath which is where the mask works [00:47] schestowitz that's a problem... for them [00:47] CrystalMath MinceR: from the looks of it, that's always guaranteed [00:48] schestowitz the future is bright [00:48] schestowitz we have old Nokia bricks [00:48] CrystalMath umm, have you been paying attention to your own news? [00:48] MinceR CrystalMath: i mean an extra layer of suffering for the rest of your life [00:48] MinceR something like greatly reduced lung capacity [00:49] CrystalMath MinceR: i have a liter to spare that i'm not using [00:49] schestowitz lol [00:49] schestowitz give me yo' kidney! [00:49] schestowitz you don't use that one anyway! [00:49] MinceR maybe COVID-19 will take more than that [00:49] CrystalMath well you see, last february i met someone who lived in wuhan and after that i got this strange flu [00:49] schestowitz my colleague is in hopital with covid emergency and he's my age [00:49] schestowitz 30s [00:50] schestowitz daniel... [00:50] CrystalMath and i feel like i do have a somewhat reduced lung capacity [00:50] CrystalMath but not a lot [00:50] schestowitz it's very serious, but they got him stabilised last night [00:51] schestowitz I think I might go for the record now and stay home for more than 3 weeks, until things reopen... [00:51] CrystalMath i still haven't been able to beat my 2019 record [00:51] CrystalMath of staying at home [00:51] CrystalMath depression > covid :P [00:51] MinceR :> [00:51] schestowitz years ago I managed to stay in the same flood for 3 days, iirc [00:52] schestowitz *floor [00:52] schestowitz but I don't cook much :-) [00:52] CrystalMath do you live in one of those terraced houses? [00:52] schestowitz yes [00:52] CrystalMath i see [00:57] techrights-bot Linux Coming to Apple M1 Macs New Ubuntu Members Manjaro 20.2 Nibia Out BlackArch 2020.12.1 Out Nitrux 1.3.5 Out KDE Plasma 5.20.4 Out Cinnamon 4.8 Out OpenZFS 2.0 Out Linux Kernel 5.10 rc6 Out Sys [00:59] schestowitz Dirk Eddelbuettel: #Rcpp 1.0.6: Some Updates http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/01/15#rcpp_1.0.6 [00:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com | Thinking inside the box ● Jan 16 [01:01] CrystalMath i'll likely be leaving linux soon [01:01] CrystalMath not sure if this year [01:01] CrystalMath but i am planning to leave linux in favor of NetBSD [01:02] MinceR i have a similar plan, though i haven't picked the BSD that is right for me yet [01:03] DaemonFC[m] The GPU on the M1 is really weird. [01:03] DaemonFC[m] But it's Apple so you expect it to be overdesigned I guess. [01:04] MinceR well, i expect it to be a particularly weak model from nvidia, amd or intel, with next to no support [01:05] MinceR advertised as the second coming, of course [01:05] psydroid I have OpenBSD installed on a few machines here [01:05] DaemonFC[m] It's not. I hear it's possibly derived from a PowerVR model. [01:05] MinceR ooh, powervr [01:05] MinceR they've managed to find a supplier even shittier than the three i've listed [01:05] MinceR i shouldn't be surprised, it is after all crApple [01:06] MinceR does crapOS use it in vesa compatibility mode? [01:07] MinceR maybe they could add an LED saying "please wait, we're sure we'll finish drawing this window today... or tomorrow, tops) [01:07] MinceR s/.$/"/ [01:08] techrights-bot Celebrating the FSFs 35th anniversary: Stories from the Licensing and Compliance Lab http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146540 #GNU #FSF [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Celebrating the FSFs 35th anniversary: Stories from the Licensing and Compliance Lab | Tux Machines [01:09] DaemonFC[m] They're getting rid of that ridiculous "touch bar" from the next Macbook. [01:10] DaemonFC[m] This is what you get with companies like that. They don't ask anyone or do any research. They just add random things that get in the way, and then everyone who does use it gets it taken away a year or three later. [01:11] schestowitz ribbon [01:11] schestowitz they do 'clinical trials' on their users [01:11] schestowitz and then withdraw [01:14] DaemonFC[m] Remember how Ribbon was supposed to be revolutionary and great to use and now there's just vestiges of it here and there in things they haven't redone lately. [01:14] DaemonFC[m] The File Explorer looks really out of place. [01:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [01:19] DaemonFC[m] Windows 10 Creators Update and later versions come with a new Universal File Explorer (also known as the UWP File Explorer). Although hidden, it can be opened by creating a shortcut pointing to "explorer shell:AppsFolder\c5e2524a-ea46-4f67-841f-6a9465d9d515_cw5n1h2txyewy!App" [36][37] [01:19] DaemonFC[m] LOL [01:19] DaemonFC[m] Very useful. A hidden file manager. [01:20] DaemonFC[m] They must be getting ready to give the old Windows Explorer the boot. [01:28] MinceR isn't uwp on the way out already? 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http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [11:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks Part XVI: Intel Cannot Do Command Line, Even When Its Vastly Simpler and More Suitable for Development | Techrights [11:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [11:33] *Digit has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer) [11:33] techrights-bot Wine 6.0 Released, How to Install it in #Ubuntu 20.04, 20.10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146470#comment-27826 #gnu #linux [11:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.0 Officially Released with Vulkan Backend for WineD3D, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines [11:33] *Digit (~user@fsf/member/digit) has joined #techrights [11:36] techrights-bot 4 Best Alternatives to #WhatsApp that Actually Respect Your #Privacy - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/alternatives-to-whatsapp/ [11:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 4 Best Alternatives to WhatsApp that Actually Respect Your Privacy - Make Tech Easier [11:42] techrights-bot his week in #KDE : text reflow in Konsole! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146545 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest [11:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | his week in KDE: text reflow in Konsole! | Tux Machines [11:45] techrights-bot #LibreOffice 7.1 Release Candidate Ready for Testing Ahead of the Early February Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146544 #freesw #opendocument [11:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 7.1 Release Candidate Ready for Testing Ahead of the Early February Release | Tux Machines ● Jan 16 [12:09] Ariadne text reflow in konsole wtf [12:09] Ariadne i don't want text reflow in a terminal emulator [12:10] schestowitz I thought the same, Ariadne [12:10] schestowitz I like konsole nonetheless [12:10] schestowitz I use no other terminal anymore [12:10] schestowitz it has some nice features in it, like alerts with regex on actions [12:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [12:17] schestowitz Pocock: [12:17] schestowitz > Thanks for the coverage of this issue, I have a collection of threats [12:17] schestowitz > here now and I'm thinking about publishing the whole lot. [12:17] schestowitz > [12:17] schestowitz > Technically the photo was published by the Debian Community News Team, [12:17] schestowitz > would you consider tweaking your post to use that name? [12:19] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [12:20] schestowitz "the photo [which led to a copyright-centric SLAPP action] was published by the Debian Community News Team, [12:20] schestowitz > would you consider tweaking your post to use that name? [12:20] *vZS1_2 (~vZS1_2@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [12:21] vZS1_2 Looks like yesterday was a busy day in IRC. [12:21] vZS1_2 Log files are longer than usual [12:21] Ariadne i think you should be careful about factchecking what pocock puts out there [12:21] Ariadne some of it is true, some of it is not [12:23] Ariadne i feel like to some extent he is using you as a useful sockpuppet [12:23] schestowitz Ariadne: I know.. [12:23] schestowitz I mean [12:23] schestowitz the first past [12:23] schestowitz [12:21] i think you should be careful about factchecking what pocock puts out there [12:23] schestowitz the "I know" refers to this [12:23] schestowitz he's not "syuing me" [12:23] schestowitz he's not the one reaching out to me [12:23] Ariadne i know he's not suing you [12:23] schestowitz I just see what is being put out there [12:24] schestowitz many posts I never reproduced [12:24] schestowitz or only partly [12:24] schestowitz what seemed to match up against facts [12:24] schestowitz *using [12:24] schestowitz not suing [12:24] schestowitz some people threaten to sue him [12:24] schestowitz not because they would, they just try hard to silence him [12:24] schestowitz as he stifles their agenda, which is not community-centric [12:25] schestowitz I'll put out an articles shortly, part of a series [12:25] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [12:25] vZS1_2 Pocock is a good example of what happens when you have "SJWs" hijack control of a project and then get them to do your dirty work. [12:25] Ariadne is it? [12:26] vZS1_2 They kick the technical people out, in general. [12:26] vZS1_2 People that can call out the BS [12:26] vZS1_2 And who damped the marketing [12:27] Ariadne "SJW" these days is a catch-all boogeyman term largely utilized by the alt-right [12:27] vZS1_2 I used it in the derogatory sense [12:27] Ariadne yes, the alt-right sense [12:28] vZS1_2 I don't have to be alt-right to use a word a certain way [12:28] vZS1_2 That's absurd [12:28] Ariadne sure. i am just letting you know who primarily uses that term in the same context as you. [12:29] vZS1_2 And if some alt-right people make the same observation, good for them. [12:29] Ariadne a better, and more accurate term, is "concern troll" [12:29] vZS1_2 That works too [12:30] Ariadne using accurate terms is important, as referring to concern trolls as "SJWs" undermines people who are doing important social justice work (including work on free software) [12:30] vZS1_2 An SJW doesn't care about social justice [12:30] vZS1_2 It's satire [12:30] Ariadne of course not, but the average person assumes they do [12:31] Ariadne anyway, the Pocock situation is not Pocock vs SJWs [12:31] vZS1_2 It certainly is [12:31] Ariadne it really isn't. i know many of the people involved. none of them are SJWs [12:31] vZS1_2 Sure [12:33] Ariadne i think accurately describing the Pocock situation is also important, as "Pocock vs SJWs" does not accurately describe the legitimate concerns [12:33] Ariadne which is that Pocock saw internal FSFE data he was not supposed to be aware of, and as a result FSFE tries to discredit him [12:34] Ariadne Pocock however has responded suboptimally to that campaign which has allowed the people attempting to discredit him more success. [12:35] Ariadne i think this is largely because he responds emotionally rather than tactically. [12:35] schestowitz [12:26] They kick the technical people out, in general. [12:35] schestowitz this is true [12:36] schestowitz happens at OSI right now [12:36] schestowitz at warp speed [12:36] Ariadne at any rate, the real questions of journalistic merit involve what FSFE data did he see that FSFE does not want *us* to see [12:36] schestowitz 3/4 out their speakers are not technical [12:36] schestowitz and all represent corporations [12:36] schestowitz no community at all [12:36] vZS1_2 Yeah, 3/4 are idiots [12:36] schestowitz [12:27] "SJW" these days is a catch-all boogeyman term largely utilized by the alt-right [12:36] schestowitz I don't use that term [12:36] schestowitz avoid the term [12:36] schestowitz dodge it, call it something more meaningful [12:37] schestowitz [12:29] a better, and more accurate term, is "concern troll" [12:37] vZS1_2 It all boils down to coups and hijacks [12:37] schestowitz much better [12:37] schestowitz until the alt reich uses that term too [12:37] schestowitz like Trump hijacked "fake news" [12:37] schestowitz so you cannot use that term after 2016 [12:37] vZS1_2 Pocock exposed hijacking of Debian from outside the real community. [12:38] vZS1_2 The users and engineers [12:38] schestowitz I am workinbg on an article [12:38] schestowitz want to help with the draft? [12:38] schestowitz first draft ready [12:38] vZS1_2 sure [12:38] schestowitz needs polishing a bit [12:38] schestowitz ok, hang on [12:38] Ariadne i can't agree there. lamby is a talented engineer [12:38] Ariadne and he lives and breathes debian [12:38] schestowitz he is [12:39] Ariadne he was coming up in debian at the same time alpine was started [12:39] schestowitz but the sidekick jokes about never doing any code [12:39] schestowitz parachuted because of connections [12:39] schestowitz not in gnome [12:39] schestowitz because of lamb's mate [12:39] schestowitz mcgovern [12:39] schestowitz who loathes rms [12:39] schestowitz the g in gnome [12:39] Ariadne well i have my own criticisms of rms' leadership [12:39] Ariadne then again, i have witnessed him scream at interns [12:40] schestowitz vZS1_2: draft: http://techrights.org/2021/01/16/freesw-difficult-truths/ [12:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Suppressed Facts of the Free Software Movement and Its Community of Volunteer Part I: We Are Under Attack by Corporations and Their Salaried Facilitators | Techrights [12:40] vZS1_2 In general, the trend is to kick out the engineers from decision-making positions. [12:40] schestowitz Ariadne: they pushed him out for other reasons [12:40] schestowitz then justified it [12:40] Ariadne i know [12:41] schestowitz by retroactively pulling out old trash [12:41] schestowitz weak dirt [12:41] schestowitz and anecdotes [12:41] Ariadne anyway, my conclusion is the best way to change the future is to actually do work to change the future [12:41] Ariadne hince alpine, hince everything else i've done [12:41] schestowitz [12:40] In general, the trend is to kick out the engineers from decision-making positions. [12:42] schestowitz That's what Arjen from Wikileaks (ish) said [12:42] schestowitz about debian [12:42] schestowitz that people had been put in charge who have no qualifications [12:42] schestowitz and same in other institutions [12:42] Ariadne the DPL position is largely a figurehead position anyway [12:42] schestowitz it's getting hard to respect [12:42] schestowitz LF= zemlin [12:42] Ariadne technical engineering is lead in a bottom-up style [12:42] schestowitz used to be people liek ian murdoch as CTO [12:42] schestowitz Murdock [12:43] schestowitz now a bunch of execs who use Macs and Winsows [12:43] schestowitz you don't need suits managing geeks [12:43] schestowitz see InteLeaks [12:43] schestowitz that leads to bad things [12:43] schestowitz geeks can become managers, many examples of that [12:43] schestowitz at least they know their s*** [12:43] schestowitz my phd supervisor was highly technical [12:43] schestowitz and head of the CS Department in Manchester [12:44] schestowitz even if he no longer wrote any more code [12:44] schestowitz in osi, debian, LF... you deal with people who never coded and probably barely even used computers [12:44] Ariadne anyway, Pocock does antagonize Debian from time to time [12:44] schestowitz except to make Microsoft PowerPoint slides [12:44] schestowitz or to make sales/marketing (Zemlin) [12:44] vZS1_2 IBM have more or less already hijacked Debian. They've got enough moles and dependencies now. [12:45] schestowitz Google also [12:45] schestowitz Microsoft is till trying [12:45] schestowitz see the article draft [12:45] vZS1_2 Reading slowly [12:45] schestowitz to suggest improvements or spot typos [12:46] Ariadne anyway [12:46] *Blukunfando (~bkf@62.57.153.77.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #techrights [12:47] schestowitz the post mentions no names [12:47] schestowitz it's by intention [12:47] vZS1_2 "to a number of informed sourced" [12:47] vZS1_2 s/sourced/sources/ [12:48] vZS1_2 "(they still havent managed to..." [12:48] vZS1_2 Missing the closing parenthesis [12:49] schestowitz cheers, correctedx2 [12:49] schestowitz the image at the top makes an example [12:49] schestowitz and demonstrates patterns [12:49] schestowitz like, you talk about wikileaks showing war crimes [12:49] schestowitz and end up talking about sex [12:49] schestowitz because of some people who interject OT stuff [12:50] vZS1_2 That's why I sometimes just leave when it drifs OT [12:50] vZS1_2 drifts* [12:50] schestowitz that's the goal [12:50] schestowitz to ruin a community and its discussion [12:51] schestowitz it's not so much about hijacking as it is about disrupting and destroying [12:51] vZS1_2 I just write down a post-it note and come back when the trolls are gone [12:51] schestowitz Microsoft doesn't hijack companies and projects just to control then; if they go belly-up, Mission Accomplished [12:51] schestowitz *them [12:52] vZS1_2 There's one thing to have a debate and then you just derail the conversation and make it about sex. [12:52] vZS1_2 WTAF [12:52] schestowitz "Don't read that stooopid techrights site... it's full of sex perverts" [12:52] schestowitz (even if those people are self-professed enemies of the site) [12:53] schestowitz rather than people who support the site [12:53] vZS1_2 Techrights defends rapists. /s [12:53] vZS1_2 That's another favourite [12:53] schestowitz "liked" in twitter [12:53] schestowitz by Microsoft operatives [12:53] schestowitz I saw that [12:53] schestowitz "don't listen to them... they support crimes" [12:53] schestowitz "they're almost literally raping women" [12:54] schestowitz "nothing to see there" [12:55] vZS1_2 Twitter and friends are banned umpa lumpa only after it was clear he was on the way out. [12:55] vZS1_2 s/are// [12:55] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:56] vZS1_2 It's probably an attempt to get on the good side of the Biden administration so he goes easier on big tech [12:58] vZS1_2 When cheeto hitler was president, and he refused to denounce neo-nazis, it was fine to let him stay on their platforms. [12:59] vZS1_2 "fantastic people on both sides" [12:59] vZS1_2 Cambridge analytica on FB ● Jan 16 [13:00] vZS1_2 all just fiiiiiine [13:00] vZS1_2 You need to be a special kind of idiot to believe that these platforms actually care about the public [13:03] techrights-bot Suppressed Facts of the #FreeSoftware Movement and Its Community of Volunteers Part I: We Are Under Attack by Corporations and Their Salaried Facilitators http://techrights.org/2021/01/16/freesw-difficult-truths/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [13:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Suppressed Facts of the Free Software Movement and Its Community of Volunteers Part I: We Are Under Attack by Corporations and Their Salaried Facilitators | Techrights [13:03] Ariadne actually the goal of that conversation was to provide some insight into what 'free software hacker' culture is actually like [13:03] Ariadne jake was not cancelled by SJWs, he was cancelled by his fellow hackers [13:04] schestowitz that's a straw man [13:04] schestowitz we did not talk about jake [13:04] schestowitz jacob [13:04] schestowitz not sure why some call him jake [13:04] Ariadne that's what he calls himself [13:04] schestowitz like he's their bbf [13:04] Ariadne in a casual setting [13:04] schestowitz but anyway, the subject was wikileaks journalism [13:04] schestowitz and the extradition [13:04] schestowitz not sex [13:04] schestowitz not "jake" [13:05] schestowitz but one person alone derail that important discussion about leak info about the powerful [13:05] Ariadne i believe we all agreed that the carceral state has no business dealing with assange's sex life [13:05] schestowitz https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ [13:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It Seems [13:05] schestowitz new: v [13:05] schestowitz https://www.thekashmirmonitor.net/amid-whatsapp-controversy-chomsky-quotes-assange-to-explain-how-facebooks-zuckerberg-becomes-man-of-the-year/ [13:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thekashmirmonitor.net | Amid WhatsApp controversy, Chomsky quotes Assange to explain how Facebook's Zuckerberg becomes 'man of the year' - The Kashmir Monitor [13:05] schestowitz it's OK for the rich to 'leak' or pass on all our private comms [13:06] schestowitz but if we embarrass even one rich person by showing comms, that's a crime [13:06] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:06] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:06] vZS1_2 "Invasion of their privacy" [13:06] Ariadne i believe we also all agreed that the carceral state used what would typically have ended with an annoyed woman being annoyed as an excuse to do what the carceral state does [13:06] vZS1_2 Only matters if you're rich [13:06] vZS1_2 Privacy for the plebs? [13:06] vZS1_2 NO! Terrorism! Child porn! [13:07] schestowitz yeah [13:07] schestowitz they pass our data around [13:07] schestowitz chats with family recorded [13:07] schestowitz "smart" "assistants" in the bedroom [13:07] Ariadne does not change the fact that had assange abided by what was requested of him by those women, the swedish government would not have had that angle to explore [13:07] schestowitz "Alexa, don't listen, we're having sex now" [13:07] vZS1_2 Btw [13:07] vZS1_2 Someone else must have pinned the Assange PDFs I put on IPFS [13:07] Ariadne does not change the fact that it is fucked up to tell a partner you're using a condom and then not use one [13:08] vZS1_2 Because they were accessible when my node was down [13:08] vZS1_2 The Assange court judgements in the UK [13:08] schestowitz Ariadne: again, not the subject [13:08] schestowitz the case has nothing to do withn sweden [13:08] Ariadne but that is a personal matter, not one that is worthy of the carceral state's involvement [13:08] schestowitz it's espionage charges from the US [13:08] schestowitz over cablegate and war ogs [13:08] schestowitz not women, not sweden [13:08] Ariadne yes, and he shouldn't be extradited for that [13:08] schestowitz let's focus on the issues one at a time [13:09] schestowitz vZS1_2: maybe same hash? [13:09] schestowitz if you upload the PDF [13:09] schestowitz and then someone else uploads the same PDF obtained from somewhere else [13:09] schestowitz would that entail the same cid/hash? [13:09] vZS1_2 Not always. Depends on how the chunking is done. [13:09] schestowitz like checksums would for identical files? [13:10] schestowitz vZS1_2: ok, makes sense [13:10] schestowitz hashes are much shorter than files that make them up [13:10] schestowitz so there would be collisions in theory [13:10] vZS1_2 Yeah [13:10] schestowitz two separate items leading to identical checksums [13:10] vZS1_2 Either way. I'm glad the judgement is getting circulation [13:11] schestowitz in theory, though in practice for a small set of items (say a million) the collisions are not very likely [13:11] schestowitz tomorrow I will do Part II [13:11] Ariadne i also think that ross ulbricht should not be in prison for the rest of his life for operating a website [13:11] vZS1_2 All I've seen in the last couple weeks is ad-hominem attacks on Assange [13:11] schestowitz Ariadne: media painted him as a drug lord [13:11] schestowitz like it does julian re women [13:11] schestowitz that distorts the nature of cases [13:12] schestowitz vZS1_2: he let in rogue people [13:12] schestowitz many unwittingly [13:12] Ariadne i think the media has accurately depicted julian's relationship with women, actually [13:12] schestowitz bad vetting [13:12] schestowitz like James Balls [13:12] schestowitz but Balls is also lying [13:12] schestowitz he was never wikileaks employee [13:12] schestowitz barely even insider [13:13] schestowitz he makes a career out of that false association [13:13] schestowitz now accommodated by Murdoch's "Times" [13:13] Ariadne it is pretty well understood in the anarchist hacker circles that assange is a womanizer and a transphobe [13:13] Ariadne has been all along really [13:13] Ariadne doesn't discount the importance of his work, mind [13:13] schestowitz those are personal angles [13:14] schestowitz to distract from wikileaks' contents [13:14] DVulgaris Well, speaking of the Whatsapp stuff - I think the only viable solutions are IRC and XMPP: But most people won't use that, so Matrix might be a decent middle-ground [13:14] DVulgaris It's generally all bleak though [13:14] Ariadne matrix is so useless [13:14] schestowitz and whether they're true or not, I don't think it even matters in this context [13:14] DVulgaris Ariadne: It's a shitshow that is user-friendly sadly [13:14] schestowitz DVulgaris: media suggests bad alternatives [13:14] DVulgaris Obviously [13:14] Ariadne i have three devices (a computer, an apple phone and an android phone) and they do not agree on the contents of matrix rooms hosted on my homeserver [13:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [13:15] schestowitz I saw this one 2 hours ago: https://www.maketecheasier.com/alternatives-to-whatsapp/ [13:15] DVulgaris schestowitz: they won't suggest anything that isn't tapped [13:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 4 Best Alternatives to WhatsApp that Actually Respect Your Privacy - Make Tech Easier [13:15] schestowitz telegram lol [13:15] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:15] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:15] vZS1_2 schestowitz: btw, got a question. [13:15] DVulgaris Ariadne: I've been having some nice successes with XMPP (Conversations on Android, Gajim on GNU/Linux and Windows) [13:15] vZS1_2 Could you read section 80 on pg 30 of this https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmeDLCiNko3wZvU7FAHkX21uUCpMHBzjYTSqkWeNaBBnTb [13:15] schestowitz signal = shithub, give a 'phone' number, not e2ee without keys in the middle (sometimes), vault7 shows bypasses [13:16] schestowitz jami never mentioned [13:16] vZS1_2 schestowitz: do you think what's said there holds up? [13:16] schestowitz formerly ring [13:16] DVulgaris I cannot trust either telegram or signal - centralized and closed servers are 100% tapped [13:16] *schestowitz checks pdf [13:17] DVulgaris schestowitz: I tried Jami, it was rough around the edges - might give it a shot later down the road [13:18] schestowitz seems reasonable (80) [13:18] vZS1_2 Also see (82) [13:18] schestowitz Pentagon papers [13:19] schestowitz lol [13:19] schestowitz vZS1_2: then, than [13:19] schestowitz they had 3 months to issue this PDF [13:19] schestowitz October to January [13:19] schestowitz even clerical stuff could snuff this out [13:20] vZS1_2 Obama administration really liked to go after journalists [13:21] schestowitz 82 seems correct [13:21] schestowitz some NSA WBers said the same [13:21] schestowitz yes, Obama did that [13:22] schestowitz Risen https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/opinion/sunday/if-donald-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html [13:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Opinion | If Donald Trump Targets Journalists, Thank Obama - The New York Times [13:22] schestowitz CIA leaker [13:22] schestowitz Iran nukes blueprint [13:22] schestowitz Sterling, might be out of prison now, had heart conditions [13:22] schestowitz Another example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulelah_Haider_Shaye [13:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Abdulelah Haider Shaye - Wikipedia [13:23] schestowitz arrested with involvement by Obama [13:23] schestowitz as he exposed drone strikes' reality [13:23] schestowitz which embarrassed the regime from "Uncle Murica" [13:23] schestowitz " On February 2, 2011, President Obama called then-Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh to discuss counterterrorism cooperation and al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. At the end of the call, according to a White House read-out, Obama "expressed concern" over the release of Shaye. Shaye had not been released at the time of the call, but Saleh did have a pardon prepared. Consequently, Shaye was not released until 2013." [13:24] schestowitz "After a public outcry from tribal leaders in Yemen over Shaye's imprisonment, Yemeni president Ali Abdullah Saleh was prepared to release Shaye, but he was swayed otherwise by a call from U.S. President Barack Obama on February 2, 2011 citing his "concern" over Shaye's imminent release." [13:25] vZS1_2 People in Yemen are still dying because of the ongoing conflict [13:25] schestowitz "Conflict" [13:25] schestowitz more like "coup' [13:25] schestowitz or "civil war" [13:25] vZS1_2 To the profit of the oil barons [13:25] schestowitz https://wikileaks.org/yemen-files/ [13:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - Yemen Files [13:26] schestowitz i have dug up almost all those files at the time [13:26] schestowitz https://wikileaks.org/yemen-files/ [13:26] schestowitz the summary seems apt, too (in the page) [13:26] schestowitz geopolitics [13:26] schestowitz but they frame that as "war on terror" [13:26] schestowitz now it is a war on nutrition [13:27] schestowitz this week (days ago) https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/01/14/famine-not-seen-40-years-un-warns-pompeo-decision-yemen-could-lead-hundreds [13:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Famine Not Seen in 40 Years': UN Warns Pompeo Decision in Yemen Could Lead to Hundreds of ThousandsIf Not MillionsDead | Common Dreams News [13:27] schestowitz 2 days ago [13:28] schestowitz yesterday: https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/15/a-yemeni-famine-made-in-washington-and-riyadh/ [13:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Yemeni Famine Made in Washington and Riyadh - CounterPunch.org [13:34] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:34] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:34] vZS1_2 From the commondreams article: "He [Pompeo] is convinced that the Houthis are directed by Iran." [13:34] *rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [13:34] vZS1_2 ""Pompeo is implementing a scorched earth policy in his final days, much of it directed at Iran, in an attempt to make it difficult for the incoming administration to reach a negotiated settlement with Tehran." [13:35] vZS1_2 Witness hundreds of thousands of people die just because some cunt wants to make it harder for political oppoents in the next administration. [13:35] vZS1_2 s/oppoents/opponents/ [13:35] schestowitz [13:34] From the commondreams article: "He [Pompeo] is convinced that the Houthis are directed by Iran." [13:36] schestowitz that's an old CIA lie [13:36] schestowitz from Michael Moron (Morell) [13:36] schestowitz which he used CBS to spread as he worked there [13:36] schestowitz anything to tie Iran to enemies of US interests [13:36] vZS1_2 Iran is a CIA favourite. They love messing with the country. [13:37] schestowitz Iran said it would be open to redo the nuke deal with Biden [13:37] schestowitz which must have pissed off Trump and triggered Pompeo [13:37] schestowitz who does photo ops now with Israel's Crime Minister [13:37] schestowitz I think they'll have another deal signed later this year, with EU involved [13:38] schestowitz Iran does not actually need a war (which it would lose regardless) [13:38] schestowitz it was always just Trump threatening to start a war [13:38] schestowitz so the provocation did not come from Iran [13:38] schestowitz it's also trump who violated the deal they had signed with Kerry and others [13:39] schestowitz I saw the terrified reactions on the faces of friends of mine who left Iran and still have family there [13:39] schestowitz Trump used "tweets" to threaten to kill millions [13:39] vZS1_2 Also [13:39] vZS1_2 From yesterday [13:39] schestowitz helps Dorsey sell ads [13:39] vZS1_2 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/15/major-violations-of-international-law-at-tigray-refugee-camps-un [13:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aljazeera.com | Major violations of international law at Tigray refugee camps | Ethiopia News | Al Jazeera [13:39] schestowitz when Twitter had been operating at a loss for a decade [13:39] schestowitz so Twitter let the troll carry on selling ads with threats [13:40] vZS1_2 >schestowitz helps Dorsey sell ads [13:41] vZS1_2 This is what people that use Twitler support, whether they're aware or not. [13:41] schestowitz By Mozilla's standards (CEO Baker) we should deplatform Dorsey and Twitter [13:41] schestowitz for profiting from hate and state terror [13:41] schestowitz but then again, Mozilla keeps digging its own grave [13:42] schestowitz with that super-rich idiot who uses the brand "Mozilla" (and "Firefox") like paper tissue for her political idealogy [13:42] schestowitz vZS1_2: Reddit may soon collapse too [13:42] schestowitz mass layoffs in the parent company [13:43] schestowitz don't help Reddit [13:43] schestowitz wasted effort [13:43] schestowitz it's the next Digg [13:43] schestowitz they used to compete [13:43] schestowitz Digg died much earlier [13:43] vZS1_2 >I saw the terrified reactions on the faces of friends of mine who left Iran... [13:43] schestowitz The Donald in Reddit helped conde nasty sell ads [13:43] schestowitz Reddit: "bad actors" [13:43] schestowitz Baker: KILL THEM ALL! [13:43] schestowitz (Reddit) [13:44] schestowitz because "Deploatforming" is not enough [13:44] vZS1_2 According to Twitler, things like that didn't warrant kicking Trump off the platform. [13:44] schestowitz Mozilla... the only way for me to still use Firefox is to dissociate the CEO from the employees [13:44] schestowitz like she's an inherent abberration [13:45] schestowitz amid this layoff atmosphere nobody among them would dare blog their disagreement with the CEO [13:45] schestowitz they just suck up to her, like Asa Dotzler did some months ago [13:45] vZS1_2 Leaks from inside Mozilla would be much appreciated [13:45] schestowitz today I had a shower thought: tweets as 'articles' about Trump [13:45] schestowitz what is the worth of such articles now [13:46] vZS1_2 >schestowitz what is the worth of such articles now [13:46] schestowitz "Trump says... [sorry, tweet cannot be found] THAT IS outrageous!" [13:46] vZS1_2 I think it's important to highlight the hypocrisy of Twitler [13:46] schestowitz it also impedes historians studying that awful presidency" [13:46] schestowitz unless they can legally demand Twitter hands over verifiable data (screenshots are easy to fake, hard to verify) [13:47] vZS1_2 Twitler could have just wiped the posts from their database. In a way, it helps Trump. People can't access the original posts. [13:47] vZS1_2 Trump can just claim "fake news". [13:48] schestowitz btw, twitler still uses Trump for profit [13:48] schestowitz if you were to log in [13:48] schestowitz watch what bait they put in trending [13:48] schestowitz complete with ptrovocation [13:48] schestowitz and images [13:48] vZS1_2 Your best bet is to grab posts from the trusted propaganda outlets like BBC. They must have posts with Trump tweets. [13:48] schestowitz "you'll never believe what happened next" type of partisan crap [13:49] vZS1_2 That way, if someone says TR is "fake news", they also have to say BBC is "fake news". [13:49] MinceR maybe archive.org and/or archive.is has some as well [13:49] schestowitz MinceR: some [13:49] schestowitz but the links are broken [13:49] MinceR i doubt it's a difficult mental exercise for a fascist to call BBC "fake news" [13:49] schestowitz for 'articles' that are just amplifying trump tweets [13:49] schestowitz those types of articles become scarce again [13:50] schestowitz as I think the publishers that did this collapse by now [13:50] schestowitz COVID killed such fake 'journalism' [13:50] schestowitz the "post tweet", respond in line, choose provocative headline, press "publish" so-called 'journalism' [13:50] schestowitz many culprits to that effect [13:51] schestowitz BBC is not even news [13:51] schestowitz I stopped using it even for weather [13:51] schestowitz and for football scores [13:51] schestowitz I get both in the command line now [13:51] schestowitz updated every minute for football and every one hour for weather forecasts [13:52] schestowitz the COVID sections of BBC are now ads for pfizer and bill [13:52] schestowitz so I stopped accessing those, too [13:52] schestowitz and I still have in my kitchen a threat we got from TV Licensing 2 days ago [13:52] schestowitz right to the recycling bin (paper) [13:52] vZS1_2 "There has been no comment from Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed and the governments emergency task force for the Tigray crisis." [13:52] schestowitz was in quarantine in the kitchen... might contain postman's covid [13:53] vZS1_2 Our Nobel "Peace" prize winner over here. [13:53] schestowitz he was problematic [13:53] schestowitz maybe they will give to WHO's chief an award too [13:53] schestowitz check his political background [13:53] schestowitz connected to Ethiopian fascists [13:54] schestowitz I guess it's easier to get leverage over people with a past such as this [13:54] schestowitz AIDS organisation manager, December 2009 (New York Times): Gates has created a huge blood-buying operation that only cares about money, not about people. [13:54] schestowitz http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/science/16malaria.html?_r=1 [13:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Gates Foundations Influence Criticized - The New York Times [13:55] schestowitz "Many of the worlds leading malaria scientists are now locked up in a cartel with their own research funding being linked to those of others within the group, Dr. Kochi wrote. Because each has a vested interest to safeguard the work of the others, he wrote, getting independent reviews of research proposals is becoming increasingly difficult. [13:55] schestowitz "Also, he argued, the foundations determination to have its favored research used to guide the health organizations recommendations could have implicitly dangerous consequences on the policy-making process in world health." [13:55] schestowitz "The chief of malaria for the World Health Organization has complained that the growing dominance of malaria research by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation risks stifling a diversity of views among scientists and wiping out the world health agencys policy-making function. [13:55] schestowitz "In a memorandum, the malaria chief, Dr. Arata Kochi, complained to his boss, Dr. Margaret Chan, the director general of the W.H.O., that the foundations money, while crucial, could have far-reaching, largely unintended consequences. [13:55] schestowitz Even back then [13:55] schestowitz 2008 [13:55] schestowitz and now we have this [13:55] schestowitz last night: [13:55] schestowitz https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielshapiro/2021/01/14/americas-biggest-owner-of-farmland-is-now-bill-gates-bezos-turner/ [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Americas Biggest Owner Of Farmland Is Now Bill Gates [13:56] schestowitz https://landreport.com/2021/01/bill-gates-americas-top-farmland-owner/ [13:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-landreport.com | Bill Gates: America's Top Farmland Owner | The Land Report [13:56] schestowitz maybe media not bribed by this thug will catch up fast enough [13:56] schestowitz the public certainly does [13:56] schestowitz and it's impossible to bribe every single publisher [13:56] schestowitz does not scale [13:56] vZS1_2 I still have well-meaning people who believe Gates is an altruist [13:56] vZS1_2 s/have/know/ [13:57] schestowitz we can mock them [13:57] schestowitz they're dumb [13:57] schestowitz and they help oppressors [13:57] schestowitz that can turn around within mere months [13:57] schestowitz can take longer fi they reach BBC [13:57] schestowitz or if they watch it... shudders [13:57] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/bbc-in-2020/ [13:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BBC Turned From Public Broadcaster Into Bill Gates-Funded Propaganda Machine and a Crank/Troll-Feeding Machine | Techrights [13:58] vZS1_2 My entire family watches the propaganda box. [13:58] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/05/29/gates-gives-bbc-money/ [13:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BBC Bribed by Bill Gates | Techrights [13:58] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2012/03/07/bbc-gates/ [13:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Pays the BBC, Gets Coverage From the BBC | Techrights [13:58] schestowitz this is not a new issue [13:59] techrights-bot Reading about mindless buzzwords and hype https://opensource.com/article/21/1/devops-books [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-4 DevOps books to read this year | Opensource.com [13:59] schestowitz Linux Journal now posts spam [13:59] schestowitz https://www.linuxjournal.com/users/zachary-renz [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com | Zachary Renz | Linux Journal [13:59] schestowitz never heard of him [13:59] schestowitz one piece [13:59] schestowitz an ad ● Jan 16 [14:00] vZS1_2 I've been looking for some local sources in the Tigray region to give reports of what's actually going on there [14:01] vZS1_2 There's a media and technology blackout in the region [14:01] techrights-bot "Pushing, and then leaving alone in the driver seats, STEM guys who never received from school any decent clue about ethics, or the main basic lessons that everybody should learn from history and philosophy, is a major cause of the current state of things, in the US and elsewhere." https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/01/phd-level-education-a-hamster-wheel-mounted-facing-the-wrong-way/ [14:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | PhD-level education: a hamster wheel, mounted facing the wrong way | Stop at Zona-M [14:01] techrights-bot Reading about mindless buzzwords and hype https://opensource.com/article/21/1/devops-books [14:03] schestowitz vZS1_2: I saw many reports [14:03] schestowitz but not in western msm [14:03] schestowitz http://techrights.org/index.php?s=Tigray [14:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Tigray | Techrights [14:04] schestowitz 14 results, posts (Daily Links) [14:05] vZS1_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_and_surveillance_in_Africa [14:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet censorship and surveillance in Africa - Wikipedia [14:05] vZS1_2 Ethiopia one of the worst offenders [14:05] techrights-bot MEA is just three letters. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/01/general-court-says-that-almea-and-mea.html #trademark #law at #euipo which is itself violating the law. See http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [14:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | General Court says that ALMEA and MEA are confusingly similar - The IPKat [14:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [14:07] DVulgaris Actually, what's worse about STEM is that university faculty members reinforce and rehash that attitude by acting unethically themselves for the most part [14:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/07/04/epo-budget-for-media/ [14:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Ethiopian Media Gamed by EPO Management, Just Like European Media | Techrights [14:07] schestowitz Ethiopia is very corrupt [14:07] DVulgaris Not news [14:07] DVulgaris Sadly [14:07] schestowitz Eritrea is also notorious fro attacks on the press [14:07] DVulgaris Most of Africa is under deep corruption [14:08] techrights-bot The corporate takeover (taking over the Commons, produced by volunteers who are motivated by altruism) is a subject we must speak about and somehow tackle; this series will highlight uncomfortable or difficult truths http://techrights.org/2021/01/16/freesw-difficult-truths/ [14:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Suppressed Facts of the Free Software Movement and Its Community of Volunteers Part I: We Are Under Attack by Corporations and Their Salaried Facilitators | Techrights [14:08] schestowitz DVulgaris: not just Africa [14:08] schestowitz we love shaming them more [14:08] DVulgaris Oh yeah [14:08] DVulgaris I know [14:08] schestowitz but they're probably less fortunate [14:08] DVulgaris Exactly [14:08] schestowitz because corruption there leads to hunger [14:08] schestowitz here it leads to less severe conditions [14:09] schestowitz like genocide in Darfur [14:09] DVulgaris I mean, the West's corruption is just more hidden [14:09] schestowitz less so if we have wikileaks [14:09] schestowitz which is why they shame and make an example of it [14:09] DVulgaris I personally live in one of the most corrupt western countries (won't name for privacy reasons) [14:09] schestowitz to many people cablegate was an eye openers re 'hegemony' [14:10] DVulgaris Yep, especially that wikileaks shamed "the american empire" [14:10] schestowitz 'shames' [14:10] schestowitz HOW DARE!! [14:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [14:10] DVulgaris It's like nam' all over again [14:10] schestowitz nam [14:10] schestowitz 'jap' [14:10] schestowitz veitnam [14:10] schestowitz japan [14:10] schestowitz the US lied about the nukes [14:10] schestowitz as was explained in the anniversary [14:11] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [14:11] DVulgaris Mind you [14:11] schestowitz until people brought the stories of what happened on the ground [14:11] schestowitz in both [14:11] schestowitz not the myths [14:11] DVulgaris They are still telling lies about nukes [14:11] schestowitz photos, stories [14:11] schestowitz empathy is easier when there are no faces [14:11] DVulgaris But this time it is NK (which might not totally be a lie) and iran [14:11] DVulgaris schestowitz: exactly [14:12] schestowitz I forgot the details about Japanese revisionism [14:12] schestowitz and who exposed this to the American public [14:12] schestowitz but it was in the news some months back [14:12] schestowitz 75th anniversary [14:12] schestowitz I can find time [14:13] schestowitz https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/14/dresden-february-1945/ [14:13] schestowitz https://truthout.org/articles/auschwitz-survivors-dont-want-their-past-to-be-their-grandchildrens-future/ [14:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dresden, February 1945 - CounterPunch.org [14:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Auschwitz Survivors Dont Want Their Past to Be Their Grandchildrens Future [14:13] schestowitz http://johnpilger.com/articles/another-hiroshima-is-coming-unless-we-stop-it-now [14:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-johnpilger.com | ANOTHER HIROSHIMA IS COMING UNLESS WE STOP IT NOW [14:13] schestowitz https://www.dw.com/en/dresden-marks-wwii-bombing-in-far-right-stronghold/a-52368359 [14:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dresden marks WWII bombing in far-right stronghold | Germany| News and in-depth reporting from Berlin and beyond | DW | 13.02.2020 [14:14] schestowitz https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/08/06/life-under-bomb-means-life-resistance [14:14] schestowitz https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/08/06/reverse-the-new-nuclear-arms-race/ [14:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Life Under the Bomb Means a Life of Resistance [14:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reverse the New Nuclear Arms Race - CounterPunch.org [14:14] schestowitz "This 75th anniversary of Hiroshima should not just be an interesting historical marker; it should be a turning point, when the U.S. renounces its nuclear legacy, and charts a new course for itself and humanity" [14:14] schestowitz https://truthout.org/video/on-75th-anniversary-hiroshima-survivor-warns-against-nuclear-weapons/ [14:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | On 75th Anniversary, Hiroshima Survivor Warns Against Nuclear Weapons [14:15] schestowitz "On the 75th anniversary of when the United States dropped the worlds first atomic bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima, killing some 140,000 people, we speak with Hideko Tamura Snider, who was 10 years old when she survived the attack. The shaking was so huge, she recalls. I remember the sensation, the color and the smell like yesterday. Tamura Snider describes her harrowing journey through a shattered city, suffering [14:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [14:15] schestowitz radiation sickness following the attack, and her message to President Trump." [14:15] schestowitz https://www.democracynow.org/2020/8/6/hideko_tamura_snider_hiroshima_75th_anniversary [14:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | The Beginning of Our End: On 75th Anniversary, Hiroshima Survivor Warns Against Nuclear Weapons | Democracy Now! [14:15] schestowitz Aha, found it: https://www.democracynow.org/2020/8/6/greg_mitchell_atomic_bomb_hollywood [14:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Revealed: How U.S. Govt & Hollywood Secretly Worked Together to Justify Atomic Bombings of Japan | Democracy Now! [14:15] schestowitz that last one is the one ref I looked for [14:15] schestowitz the rest are loosely related [14:17] schestowitz Ariadne: https://www.cyberciti.biz/atom/updated.xml alpine on top now: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-upgrade-alpine-linux-3-4-to-3-5-xx/ [14:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cyberciti.biz | How to upgrade Alpine Linux 3.12 to 3.13 - nixCraft [14:20] schestowitz vZS1_2: spoke to BT this morning [14:20] schestowitz they said the manager (Executive Team) and others are still on the case [14:20] schestowitz and posted updates as recently as last night [14:20] schestowitz multiple people [14:20] schestowitz so it's considered an ongoing investigation still [14:21] vZS1_2 Sounds like they have a "black box" case. lol [14:21] schestowitz by offering compensation (which I did not even ask for!) they also acknowledge the problem is at their end [14:21] schestowitz vZS1_2: the way I understand it [14:21] schestowitz spoke to the eng from the other room (distancing) [14:21] schestowitz they have 30-unit blocks [14:21] schestowitz for houses [14:21] schestowitz and that gets shaped by algorithms [14:22] schestowitz like time sharing by training on the data for 3-7 days [14:22] schestowitz they reset those settings [14:22] schestowitz and now monitor how the round robin operates [14:22] schestowitz I use lots of real-time stuff like ssh, but not heavy on b/w [14:23] schestowitz I don't need high throughput, just low latency and uptime [14:23] schestowitz but when uploading 1 MB takes 5 minutes, it's not acceptable imho [14:23] schestowitz and they agree [14:23] schestowitz OK, maybe 1MB in two minutes [14:23] vZS1_2 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/14/irresponsible-bangladesh-slams-pompeos-al-qaeda-attacks-claim [14:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aljazeera.com | Irresponsible: Bangladesh slams Pompeos al-Qaeda attacks claim | Al-Qaeda News | Al Jazeera [14:23] schestowitz still very bad [14:23] schestowitz vZS1_2: rogue state [14:23] schestowitz (US) [14:23] schestowitz the plaster themselves all over the definition of their term [14:24] schestowitz soon we might have "axis of evil" [14:24] schestowitz Mo Bin Salami, Bibi, and Biden [14:26] techrights-bot #ArcoLinux 21.03.1 is out. https://arcolinux.info/ #gnu #linux #belgium [14:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ArcoLinux.info | Linux Made Easy and Beautiful [14:26] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:27] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:27] techrights-bot "My timeline recently would show that I've been trying to keep up to speed with developments in the attack on the United States Capitol earlier this month" #socialconrolmedia A BAD source of 'news'... http://coyote.works//posts/MouseTrap20210115/ [14:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Things Are Changing Fast [14:28] vZS1_2 https://sputnikvaccine.com/newsroom/pressreleases/sputnik-v-vaccine-approved-in-paraguay/ [14:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sputnikvaccine.com | Sputnik V vaccine approved in Paraguay | Official website vaccine against COVID-19 Sputnik V. [14:28] vZS1_2 Looks like South America is going for the Russian vaccine [14:29] techrights-bot Donald #trump has long been the "TROLL" in #socialconTROLLMedia and Jack Dorsey profited a lot from this troll. According to #mozilla CEO Baker, we should deplotform @jack too for profiting off hate... [14:30] techrights-bot #billgates the robber baron won't profit from this one https://sputnikvaccine.com/newsroom/pressreleases/sputnik-v-vaccine-approved-in-paraguay/ see https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ [14:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation [14:30] vZS1_2 "he Sputnik V vaccine has been approved in Russia, Belarus, Serbia, Argentina, Bolivia, Algeria, Palestine and Venezuela; the process to approve the vaccine in the EU has been initiated." [14:31] vZS1_2 I like how Palestine is actually recognised there. [14:31] schestowitz maybe that's why Twitter suepended them [14:32] schestowitz ICYMI: https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/01/14/twitter-temporarily-restricts-account-for-russian-coronavirus-vaccine-sputnik-v [14:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [14:32] MinceR :> [14:32] vZS1_2 Oh [14:32] vZS1_2 Great [14:34] schestowitz yup [14:34] schestowitz social conTROLL media [14:34] schestowitz what you do not know does not exist [14:34] schestowitz just "vaccine" [14:34] schestowitz =oxford/moderna/others [14:34] schestowitz Russia is 'fake' [14:34] schestowitz 'fake news' [14:34] schestowitz 'fake vaccine' [14:34] DVulgaris Well [14:34] kingoffrance re: stem, corporate takeover, ethics http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=gcide&Query=lawful Lawful means conformable to the principle, spirit, or essence of the law, and is applicable to moral as well as juridical law. Legal means conformable to the letter or rules of the law as it is administered in the courts; conformable to juridical law. guess what [14:34] DVulgaris TBH [14:34] kingoffrance type of entity corporations are? legal. they dont do "moral" law; they do the dead letter of the law, spirit be damned [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dict.org- lawful [14:35] DVulgaris The russian vaccine doesn't have enough proper research behind it [14:35] kingoffrance that distinction is pretty dead nowadays (quote is from websters 1913) [14:35] schestowitz unlike? [14:35] DVulgaris Not that I don't have my gripes with modern'a and pfizer's vaccines [14:35] schestowitz yeah [14:35] kingoffrance how many ppl of any age are taught that distinction? [14:35] DVulgaris But at least they had proper three-stage trials [14:35] schestowitz I always put them at equal footing [14:35] schestowitz I say, [14:35] schestowitz Russia's vaccine [14:35] schestowitz crap claims [14:35] DVulgaris It's not the same [14:36] schestowitz same for USian ones [14:36] schestowitz waiting for godot/evidence [14:36] DVulgaris Russia's vaccine isn't properly proven [14:36] schestowitz the media cannot pretend only one is fake [14:36] schestowitz or baseless for now [14:36] schestowitz but the media isn't journalism [14:36] DVulgaris Moderna's vaccine has 94.5% efficacy [14:36] schestowitz it's PR [14:36] DVulgaris And Pfizer's is at 95% [14:36] schestowitz marketign [14:36] schestowitz DVulgaris: based on Moderna [14:36] schestowitz Based on Pfizer [14:36] DVulgaris It's peer-reviewed research [14:36] schestowitz and [citation needed] [14:36] schestowitz funded by? [14:36] DVulgaris I mean [14:36] schestowitz I saw them bribing at the univrsity [14:37] DVulgaris Look at the statistics in israel [14:37] schestowitz and no public data [14:37] schestowitz like ages, sizes [14:37] schestowitz evidence still needed [14:37] schestowitz they are in no rush tro produce any [14:37] schestowitz easier to bribes the media and rally barons [14:37] schestowitz to appease the "plebs" [14:37] schestowitz the "vaccine" is here [14:37] schestowitz "things will be back to normal soon" [14:37] DVulgaris Most of the elderly population has been already vaccinated and they're not filling ERs anymore [14:37] vZS1_2 There's far more transparency around the Sputnik V trials. And they don't hide the fact that these are trials. [14:37] schestowitz BoJo: "normality by xmas [14:37] schestowitz which xmas? [14:37] schestowitz not 2020, that's for sure [14:38] DVulgaris I'm not gonna argue on this [14:38] schestowitz [14:37] Most of the elderly population has been already vaccinated and they're not filling ERs anymore [14:38] DVulgaris Because you're not making sense [14:38] schestowitz False in the UK [14:38] schestowitz first doze of the stuff in 3.3m people [14:38] schestowitz and still record numbers [14:38] DVulgaris I meant in israel [14:38] schestowitz deaths, cases, hospitalisations [14:38] DVulgaris To be specific [14:38] DVulgaris It's currently the only place with high vaccination rates [14:39] schestowitz Israel never reported many deaths [14:39] schestowitz maybe by falsifying [14:39] DVulgaris Oh come on [14:39] schestowitz 10k or so new cases recently, per day [14:39] schestowitz for less than 10 million pop. [14:39] DVulgaris They'd deny other stuff, not this [14:39] schestowitz that's like 80,000 cases per day in UK [14:39] DVulgaris That's because the general population still isn't vaccinated [14:39] schestowitz so the vaccines are not slowing things down [14:39] DVulgaris And the "lockdowns" weren't tight [14:40] schestowitz DVulgaris: they can always blame "old people" dying of age [14:40] schestowitz or say "real soon now" [14:40] DVulgaris The vaccines are lowering the mortality rates [14:40] schestowitz "wait for dose 2" [14:40] schestowitz which some say is worse than the first [14:40] DVulgaris Mainly because the elderly are the most affected [14:40] schestowitz that's vapiurware [14:40] schestowitz and they keep invoicing for more orders [14:40] schestowitz pay more [14:40] DVulgaris Nevermind [14:40] schestowitz for version x+1 [14:40] schestowitz "will fix everything!" [14:40] DVulgaris I won't argue with a science denier [14:40] schestowitz I'm not a science denier [14:40] schestowitz the opposite [14:40] schestowitz I question marketing [14:41] schestowitz and ask to see the science [14:41] schestowitz which we lack [14:41] schestowitz WHO lacks it [14:41] schestowitz the journalists (so-called) cite none [14:41] vZS1_2 So we get another Pfizer and Moderna lackey here. Good to know. [14:41] schestowitz they do "happy sftories" about some happy grandmas [14:41] DVulgaris Look at the research being published in journals [14:41] schestowitz anecdotal stuff [14:41] DVulgaris Such as NJEM [14:41] DVulgaris Or Nature [14:41] schestowitz I saw some papers [14:41] DVulgaris This is the stuff I'm talking about [14:41] schestowitz and they question the claims [14:42] schestowitz bmj had some [14:42] schestowitz cite it [14:42] schestowitz Nature [14:43] schestowitz there are also rogue elements at play, e.g. http://techrights.org/2011/01/10/lancet-gates-exxon-mobil/ [14:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Pays the Lancet Journal Now Distorts Academic Literature Too | Techrights [14:43] schestowitz after they said the truth http://techrights.org/2010/09/07/simon-chapman-on-gates-slim/ [14:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Worlds Leading Medical Journal (The Lancet) Slams Bill Gates for Supporting Tobacco Industry | Techrights [14:44] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/01/11/lancet-fundacion-gates/ [14:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ES: Fundacin Gates Paga a The Lancet Jornal- Ahora Distorsiona la Literatura Acadmica Demasiado | Techrights [14:44] schestowitz DVulgaris: since you mentioned Israel [14:44] schestowitz more people die there than become, in spite of lockdowns [14:44] schestowitz and you cite the vaccine [14:44] schestowitz without any evidence of it working [14:44] vZS1_2 The Sputnik V trials have been the only transparent trials right from the start [14:45] vZS1_2 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04437875?term=Gamaleya&draw=2 [14:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An Open Study of the Safety, Tolerability and Immunogenicity of "Gam-COVID-Vac Lyo" Vaccine Against COVID-19 - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov [14:45] schestowitz just some PR stunt from the Crime Minister getting a jab [14:45] schestowitz on TV [14:45] vZS1_2 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04436471?term=Gamaleya&draw=2 [14:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An Open Study of the Safety, Tolerability and Immunogenicity of the Drug "Gam-COVID-Vac" Vaccine Against COVID-19 - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov [14:45] vZS1_2 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04530396?term=Gam-COVID-Vac&draw=2 [14:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Clinical Trial of Efficacy, Safety, and Immunogenicity of Gam-COVID-Vac Vaccine Against COVID-19 - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov [14:45] schestowitz anyway, I'm back to RealWork(r) [14:47] vZS1_2 These are all from the U.S. National Library of Medicine [14:47] vZS1_2 Not some "NATURE" propaganda [14:47] vZS1_2 NATURE are already known to be a bunch of shills [14:47] schestowitz not a single link from DVulgaris yet [14:47] schestowitz an article [14:47] vZS1_2 Yeah because it's a lackey [14:47] schestowitz just name-dropping the best known journal [14:47] schestowitz which afaik is not corrupted yet (Nature) [14:48] schestowitz links on Nature [14:48] schestowitz maybe I missed it [14:48] DVulgaris Moderna even released DART data [14:48] vZS1_2 No links [14:48] schestowitz Lencet was corrupted [14:48] schestowitz and people complaijned [14:48] schestowitz vZS1_2: would be helpful to have any [14:48] schestowitz a friend of mine publishes there [14:48] schestowitz and has a high opinion of it [14:48] schestowitz high factor/index too if you get published there [14:49] schestowitz someone sent me this one 2 days ago https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-79310-1 [14:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nature.com | Facial recognition technology can expose political orientation from naturalistic facial images | Scientific Reports [14:49] schestowitz seems like they promote bad things [14:49] schestowitz yeah, well... [14:49] DVulgaris There you go [14:49] schestowitz td;dr [14:49] DVulgaris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA-1273#cite_note-:0-49 [14:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | mRNA-1273 - Wikipedia [14:49] schestowitz you can guess based on image the race [14:49] schestowitz and race correlates with politics [14:49] DVulgaris Specifically: [14:49] DVulgaris https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download [14:50] DVulgaris I mean the whole article is full of citations [14:50] schestowitz https://covid-vaccine.canada.ca/moderna-covid-19-vaccine/product-details [14:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-covid-vaccine.canada.ca | Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine (mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2) | COVID-19 vaccines and treatments portal [14:50] DVulgaris Again, I can't be bothered to deal with science-deniers [14:50] schestowitz Product description [14:50] schestowitz Am I looking at the right citattion? [14:51] schestowitz mind you, at FDA some people vetoed it [14:51] schestowitz not sure how many, but not a few [14:51] schestowitz lacking evidence [14:51] schestowitz and this is a trump fda [14:51] schestowitz which weeks prior loosened its standards [14:51] schestowitz while trump tried to grab a german company for its paTENTS [14:51] schestowitz this is still well documented in the press [14:51] DVulgaris Fine, but that doesn't preclude the peer-review [14:51] schestowitz [14:50] Again, I can't be bothered to deal with science-deniers \ [14:51] DVulgaris When they published in NJEM [14:52] schestowitz Someone says he comes from the most corrupt country [14:52] schestowitz with fake name [14:52] schestowitz no creential [14:52] schestowitz NO history in this IRC channel [14:52] vZS1_2 >DVulgaris Again, I can't be bothered to deal with science-deniers [14:52] schestowitz and calls me science-denier [14:52] vZS1_2 Nice try, troll. [14:52] vZS1_2 Call us all science deniers [14:52] schestowitz so go screw yourself with those rhetorics [14:52] DVulgaris jeez [14:52] DVulgaris Take it easy [14:53] vZS1_2 People who get vaccinated every year are clearly "science deniers" [14:53] vZS1_2 *claps* [14:53] DVulgaris It's just a discussion about vaccines [14:53] schestowitz I got many vaccination, next you'll say "antivaxxer" [14:53] DVulgaris I didn't say that [14:53] schestowitz You give me links to a products page [14:53] schestowitz afaict [14:53] schestowitz we cite papers [14:53] vZS1_2 You already called us "science deniers" [14:53] vZS1_2 That amounts to anti-vax [14:53] schestowitz and we are the "Science-deniers"? [14:53] vZS1_2 Because vaccines are science [14:54] vZS1_2 We both take our vaccines and encourage everyone to do so [14:54] vZS1_2 Real, tested, vaccines [14:54] DVulgaris There you go: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/peer-reviewed-report-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-publishes [14:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nih.gov | Peer-reviewed report on Moderna COVID-19 vaccine publishes | National Institutes of Health (NIH) [14:55] schestowitz [14:54] [Whois] DVulgaris is a user on channels: #techrights [14:55] schestowitz new user [14:55] schestowitz only one channel [14:55] DVulgaris Here's the njem link: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483 [14:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nejm.org | NO TITLE [14:55] schestowitz no history in this channel [14:55] schestowitz name-calling [14:55] schestowitz shilling products [14:55] DVulgaris I'm new yh [14:55] DVulgaris But trust me [14:55] MinceR they could be on other channels, if those are +s or +p [14:55] DVulgaris I'm no shill [14:55] schestowitz what is one supposed rto deduce? [14:55] MinceR iirc [14:55] DVulgaris Also, mind you, you can find me in these channels: [14:56] vZS1_2 Right now all we have are TRIALS [14:56] vZS1_2 For every vaccine [14:56] DVulgaris #sway #retroboot #libreboot #openwrt (among others) [14:56] vZS1_2 The reports don't come out until about the middle of this year [14:56] DVulgaris Well, no shit [14:56] DVulgaris It's all been rushed [14:56] DVulgaris Cramming a decade into less than a year [14:57] vZS1_2 Twitler has censored Sputnik V [14:57] DVulgaris That's a serious issue [14:57] DVulgaris Even if I personally have some doubts about Sputnik V [14:57] schestowitz [14:56] Cramming a decade into less than a year [14:57] DVulgaris Just as censoring of Parler is damn scary [14:57] schestowitz so scepticism is warranted [14:58] DVulgaris Oh, I agree [14:58] DVulgaris But again [14:58] schestowitz [14:57] Even if I personally have some doubts about Sputnik Vs [14:58] schestowitz so do I [14:58] schestowitz and I mocked that too [14:58] vZS1_2 We have doubts about all the vaccines [14:58] vZS1_2 Because the trials aren't over [14:58] schestowitz vaccination is also in general the best hope in some sense [14:58] schestowitz but is sort of too late [14:58] DVulgaris I personally think if it has not shown adverse effects so far - it's not worrying [14:58] DVulgaris Also [14:58] schestowitz like "contact tracing" [14:58] DVulgaris Mind you [14:58] schestowitz due to many cases already 'out there' [14:58] vZS1_2 We are saying that Sputnik V is being treated unfairly. [14:58] vZS1_2 Re: Twitter banning Sputnik V [14:58] schestowitz and vaccine rollouts being too slow, with so-called 'vaccines' which we lack good data on [14:58] schestowitz esp. longterm [14:59] DVulgaris The mrna vaccines are "shitty" in that they won't probably give long-term immunity [14:59] schestowitz [14:58] I personally think if it has not shown adverse effects so far - it's not worrying [14:59] schestowitz Sputvik-V? [14:59] schestowitz Oxford shows side effect [14:59] schestowitz canned their experiment [14:59] schestowitz (clinical trials around South Africa) [14:59] DVulgaris That was predicted [14:59] MinceR wasn't it said that even actual infection only gives less than a year of immunity? [14:59] DVulgaris Very predicted [14:59] schestowitz Moderna/Viagra warned about allergies ● Jan 16 [15:00] DVulgaris Happened with every weakened/live virus SARS vaccine before [15:00] schestowitz without specifying enough as to why [15:00] DVulgaris That's why we didn't have any [15:00] schestowitz Oxford/AZ only secretly told shareholders what had happened [15:00] schestowitz hid it from the public [15:00] DVulgaris I mean, the stronger the response - the stronger the immunity [15:00] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [15:00] schestowitz and now roll out again, want us to trust them despite this incident and secrecy [15:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:00] DVulgaris And anyone that knows anything about vacicnes and SARS viruses would have predicted that with the oxford vaccine [15:01] vZS1_2 We're "science deniers". We don't understand these things. [15:01] schestowitz DVulgaris: are you an epidemiologist? [15:01] DVulgaris But that excatly is why mrna vaccines are a good stop-gap measure [15:01] schestowitz yes or no? [15:01] schestowitz bbl [15:01] DVulgaris schestowitz: Nope, but I study biotech in general - so there's that [15:02] schestowitz I have a phd in medical biophysics [15:02] schestowitz I saw how AZ bribes students [15:02] schestowitz for 'research' [15:02] CrystalMath DVulgaris: i actually prefer the chinese vaccine [15:02] CrystalMath the CoronaVac [15:02] schestowitz calling me science-denier is a screamer [15:03] schestowitz the person who attacks science since the 70s is the biggest vaccine profiteer [15:03] schestowitz maybe focus on him [15:03] DVulgaris The one that hardly got a 50.4% efficacy in Brazil that is? [15:03] schestowitz he never even finished college [15:03] DVulgaris yh, I'll personally pass [15:03] CrystalMath DVulgaris: i oppose the mRNA ones because they depend on proprietary technology [15:03] CrystalMath except for the Sputnik-V, i guess [15:03] DVulgaris That I can get behind CrystalMath [15:04] DVulgaris I think it should be illegal to give control on those sequences like that [15:04] DVulgaris Maybe just limit it to a decade or half a decade [15:05] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:05] DVulgaris Though, I think it can be argued that these aren't novel sequences since they do code for a spike protien that existed in the wild anyway [15:05] DVulgaris Unless the virus was modified in a chinese lab - then I guess the chinese can sue [15:05] DVulgaris That would be funny to watch [15:06] DVulgaris Though, I personally think the most pressing issue currently is raising awareness of how lockdowns were and still are being abused [15:06] CrystalMath *someone sneezes* [15:06] CrystalMath hey! do you have a license to copy that virus? [15:06] DVulgaris Everyone just copied china's model [15:06] vZS1_2 http://techrights.org/2018/03/04/patents-on-life-again/ [15:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Patents on Life Are a Cancer | Techrights [15:06] CrystalMath DVulgaris: true [15:06] DVulgaris CrystalMath: The absurdity of that situation is too realistic [15:06] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:06] MinceR 16 160614 < CrystalMath> hey! do you have a license to copy that virus? [15:07] MinceR lol [15:07] DVulgaris Lots of countries abused tthese conditions to trample of civil liberties [15:07] DVulgaris s/of/on [15:07] schestowitz MinceR: Monsanto will sue [15:07] schestowitz you contaminated a table with their "AYE PEE" [15:08] schestowitz (Monsanto will sue the table, not you) [15:09] MinceR they renamed themselves to Bayer after their parent since they've soiled the Monsanto name [15:09] MinceR now they're soiling the Bayer name :) [15:09] DVulgaris kek [15:09] DVulgaris It's so sad though [15:10] DVulgaris Because this technology holds so much potential [15:10] DVulgaris And capitalists end up fucking it all up [15:10] techrights-bot #IBM emeritus promotes the virtual or imaginary "asset" revolution (man-made 'wealth' or 'property'). This is pure comedy to me. What has our species sunk to?! https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/01/the-intangible-asset-revolutino.html [15:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The Intangible Asset Revolution [15:11] schestowitz Bayer's name was already soiled, MinceR [15:11] schestowitz nazi roots [15:11] MinceR apparently not enough for them :> [15:11] schestowitz BASF also [15:13] CrystalMath Dr. Oetker, anyone? [15:14] CrystalMath i thought of a (negative) slogan for them.... "Dr. Oetker... it's definitely not kosher..." [15:14] CrystalMath (dark joke) [15:14] vZS1_2 schestowitz: btw, in the Intel video "grep": the g is "global" not "GNU". It comes from ed(1). [15:14] schestowitz ah, thanks [15:14] vZS1_2 grep = global regular expression print [15:14] schestowitz I was not sure about that [15:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [15:15] vZS1_2 No worries. Just clarifying. [15:15] CrystalMath but i mean, perhaps these companies really did change [15:15] CrystalMath even if they had nazi roots [15:15] DVulgaris schestowitz: The nazi roots argument can be applied to a lot of companies [15:15] techrights-bot #Gentoo 2020 in retrospect & happy new year 2021! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146546 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gentoo 2020 in retrospect & happy new year 2021! | Tux Machines [15:16] DVulgaris Just off the top of my head: VW, Hugo BOSS, Mercedes...etc [15:16] MinceR all public companies are required by law to be unscrupulous [15:16] schestowitz [15:15] No worries. Just clarifying. [15:16] MinceR afaik volkswagen is allied with microshit [15:16] schestowitz 15 years ago I used the global command a lot [15:16] schestowitz not since then [15:16] schestowitz but that is an aside [15:16] DVulgaris MinceR: What do you mean? [15:16] schestowitz also rep [15:16] MinceR they're making wheeled deathtraps ("self-driving electric cars") together [15:17] MinceR or developing [15:17] DVulgaris Oh no [15:17] DVulgaris Not the electric car meme [15:17] schestowitz manpage: GNU grep 3.3 2018-05-11 [15:17] schestowitz so it's ggrep :-)( [15:17] DVulgaris IDK when will it dawn on people that batteries have much lower battery density [15:17] DVulgaris I truly think the future lies in synthetic fuels [15:17] MinceR it could [15:18] MinceR but it seems too early to tell [15:18] DVulgaris Made in liquid thorium reactors [15:18] schestowitz DVulgaris: Coca Cola also [15:18] schestowitz "Fanta" [15:18] DVulgaris Oh yeah [15:18] DVulgaris Fantasie [15:18] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/05/the-epo-orange-one/ [15:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Antnio Campinos is the EPOs Fanta (Making EPO Fascism Seem Acceptable, Gentle, Caring and Kind) | Techrights [15:18] DVulgaris I keep forgetting that one [15:18] MinceR BEVs would need improvements in battery and charging technology [15:18] MinceR synthetic fuels would need to be developed to be cost effective [15:19] DVulgaris Synthetic fuels just need a cheap high-temp energy source [15:19] MinceR hydrogen-based vehicles need a distribution system and even then, they're only likely to be worth doing for large commercial vehicles [15:19] schestowitz GM: http://techrights.org/2020/10/24/militarised-elephants/ [15:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Militarised Elephant in the Room Still Commands a Lot of Free Software Development | Techrights [15:19] DVulgaris Which is why if we get some new developments with nuclear power it might become a thing [15:19] MinceR and all of these technologies need our power generation to be cleaned up [15:19] DVulgaris Just go nuclear [15:19] schestowitz and IBM, as noted above [15:19] DVulgaris Closed loop [15:19] MinceR none of them will save us if we mostly rely on fossil fuels to produce electricity [15:19] schestowitz many US companies went along [15:19] MinceR nuclear is expensive, though [15:19] vZS1_2 Things like `echo "g/regex/p" | ed file.txt` has saved my hide a few times. [15:19] MinceR low EROI [15:19] DVulgaris The problem with current reactors is they were optimized for making bombs [15:20] DVulgaris Not power [15:20] DVulgaris Nuclear should be very cheap [15:20] DVulgaris But the US and USSR fucked it (and the world) over by prioritizing nukes [15:20] DVulgaris It's depressing [15:20] MinceR and in any case, i doubt any of this is sustainable with the population we have (which is still growing at a breakneck rate) [15:20] DVulgaris The more you dig in it the more you realize how fucked up the world is [15:20] schestowitz it's cheap until it leaks [15:20] schestowitz ask japan [15:21] schestowitz and you need a place to store this shit for many hundreds of years [15:21] MinceR people keep suggesting that we should live like ascetics so that we can have additional billions of people suffer on this planet [15:21] DVulgaris schestowitz: with a liquid or gas-based reactor the safety mechanisms are passive [15:21] DVulgaris And [15:21] DVulgaris Best of all [15:21] MinceR quantity over quality [15:21] DVulgaris it is closed-cycle [15:21] vZS1_2 Building nuclear power plants in an earthquake-and-tsunami-prone country isn't very clever. Is it? [15:21] schestowitz MinceR: good for religious cults [15:21] schestowitz every sperm spilled is a sin [15:21] MinceR vZS1_2: i suppose it could depend on how big they are and what support systems they need [15:22] MinceR schestowitz: :) [15:22] schestowitz if only women had a million eggs for all the sperm of a man, for each time they have intercourse [15:22] DVulgaris Which means almost no waste (we're talking in just a few Kgs after 50+ years) [15:22] DVulgaris vZS1_2: They just wanted nukes [15:22] MinceR vZS1_2: from what i've seen, some of the new fission reactor technologies are supposed to be workable at small scalex [15:22] MinceR s/ex/es/ [15:22] schestowitz at least the Church thinks of the chidren [15:22] DVulgaris Every single LWR is optimized gor nukes and not energy [15:22] schestowitz if they cannot turn teh sperm into kids [15:22] schestowitz then they spill the sperm on them [15:23] DVulgaris The kids are improtant to them [15:23] MinceR schestowitz: got to outbreed the competing cults [15:23] schestowitz yup [15:23] DVulgaris Because you need a new generation to brainwash [15:23] schestowitz Islam is winning the race [15:23] DVulgaris By being totalitarian [15:23] schestowitz they are even cheaten [15:23] schestowitz cheating [15:23] schestowitz child marriage [15:23] DVulgaris Seen it first hand :( [15:23] MinceR if they'll suffer and starve or die in a war against the other cults (or just differently colored people), who cares? [15:24] DVulgaris They believe they'll go to heaven in that case [15:24] MinceR exactly [15:24] DVulgaris How can you stop such dedication [15:24] MinceR everyone is disposable to them [15:24] DVulgaris Exaclt [15:24] DVulgaris And they're totally fine with that [15:24] DVulgaris Mind you [15:24] schestowitz except themselves [15:24] DVulgaris Even themselves [15:24] DVulgaris I have many muslim friends [15:24] DVulgaris They say it openly [15:24] DVulgaris The collective is more important [15:25] DVulgaris anything for allah [15:25] DVulgaris basically [15:25] schestowitz allah la land [15:26] schestowitz I have a question [15:26] schestowitz if you get 72 virgins [15:26] schestowitz and you go through all of them [15:26] DVulgaris Kek [15:26] schestowitz they are no longer virgins [15:26] DVulgaris Yh [15:26] DVulgaris BTW [15:26] MinceR :> [15:26] DVulgaris It really might not be 72 virgins [15:26] schestowitz if you blow them all up, will you go up to heaven of heaven and get 72 new ones? [15:26] DVulgaris See [15:26] DVulgaris In old Arabic [15:26] MinceR see the Postal movie :> [15:27] DVulgaris The same word was used for "virgin" and "crystal" [15:27] DVulgaris So they might just be getting 72 crystals XD [15:27] MinceR :> [15:28] schestowitz useless [15:28] DVulgaris BTW [15:28] schestowitz what does that buy? [15:28] DVulgaris Why does the website not work sometimes? [15:28] DVulgaris schestowitz: IDK [15:29] MinceR you can stick them in a DHD and get out of there :> [15:29] DVulgaris They say wine is free in heaven [15:29] DVulgaris So like [15:29] schestowitz DVulgaris: which web site? [15:29] DVulgaris IDK what'd they buy [15:29] DVulgaris schestowitz: techrights [15:29] DVulgaris Like, just 404s all over the place [15:29] schestowitz can you give an example? I see no issues at my end. [15:29] schestowitz let me check [15:29] DVulgaris It's very sparodic [15:29] DVulgaris It works now, but last week I couldn't get to it for example [15:29] schestowitz can you give an example? [15:30] schestowitz I cannot reproduce [15:30] DVulgaris just trying https://www.techrights.org [15:30] schestowitz and our links are very strictly maintained over time so that they neve rbreak [15:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights [15:30] schestowitz you try wrong protocol [15:30] schestowitz use http [15:30] DVulgaris Aha [15:30] schestowitz maybe a browser plugin [15:30] schestowitz or rogue browser [15:30] DVulgaris HTTPS everywhere [15:30] DVulgaris That's it [15:30] schestowitz that decides what protocol is 'invalid' [15:30] DVulgaris What still HTTP only though? [15:31] schestowitz to reinforce monopolies [15:31] schestowitz we need to upgrade the OS [15:31] DVulgaris I see [15:31] DVulgaris Explains why it works again this week, cuz I ditched HTTPS-everywhere (since FF now attempts to upgrade to HTTPS by default). [15:32] vZS1_2 schestowitz: DX = a bunch of political monkeys that harrass real engineers [15:32] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [15:32] schestowitz vZS1_2: DE [15:32] schestowitz but X sounds better [15:33] schestowitz like UX cultists [15:33] schestowitz they always know better [15:33] schestowitz remove this, that... [15:33] schestowitz just keep a "back" button" [15:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [15:33] schestowitz and keep it simple, the users are all utterly dumb and don't need features... it confuses them [15:34] schestowitz reduces r&d and testing costs [15:34] vZS1_2 At the start of 2020, there was a project that delegated coordination and mangement to me. (I didn't ask for it) [15:34] schestowitz banking "apps" with two buttons [15:34] vZS1_2 I just made everyone use a kanban board [15:34] vZS1_2 And they used their own tools [15:34] vZS1_2 Everyone was happy [15:34] vZS1_2 We finished the project [15:35] vZS1_2 We coordinated over matrix [15:35] schestowitz DX: let me send you a word document over gmail [15:35] schestowitz .docx [15:35] schestowitz with text in it [15:35] schestowitz nothing else [15:35] schestowitz no formatting [15:35] schestowitz in an html email [15:35] vZS1_2 For interactive formatting, the project used Cryptpad. They decided on it themselves. I quite enjoyed Cryptpad. [15:35] schestowitz with 10 prior emails tailed to it [15:35] schestowitz 100k total+attachment [15:35] schestowitz for the text [15:36] schestowitz open in your office suite [15:36] schestowitz print out [15:36] schestowitz sign [15:36] DVulgaris Everything is just bloated nowadays [15:36] DVulgaris IDK why [15:36] schestowitz take photograph [15:36] schestowitz reply [15:36] schestowitz attach photo [15:36] schestowitz over bluetooth [15:36] schestowitz now we talk "PRODUCTIVITY!" [15:36] schestowitz Your addition of a comma to your own code is APPROVED! [15:37] vZS1_2 Cryptpad is a nice tool [15:37] vZS1_2 I didn't hear of it until I worked on said project [15:38] schestowitz etherpad is nice [15:38] schestowitz Google tried to kill it [15:38] schestowitz maybe it did [15:38] schestowitz was a threat to lousy google docs [15:38] schestowitz which is not (afaik) supporting simultaneous editors yet [15:38] vZS1_2 https://cryptpad.fr/ [15:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cryptpad.fr | CryptPad: Zero Knowledge, Collaborative Real Time Editing [15:39] vZS1_2 Cryptpad supports simultaneous editors [15:39] schestowitz maybe it's a fork? [15:39] vZS1_2 It's good for coordination. [15:39] vZS1_2 Idk if it's a fork [15:39] schestowitz I geta blank page [15:39] vZS1_2 There's a poll, kanban, whiteboard [15:39] schestowitz now it comes up [15:39] schestowitz 20 secs later [15:40] vZS1_2 Might be your connection [15:40] vZS1_2 Loads quick on my end [15:40] schestowitz maybe it is based on etherpad [15:40] schestowitz except afaik you cannot download the code for this and locally host [15:40] schestowitz because CLOWN [15:41] schestowitz maybe this is just etherpad clownified https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etherpad [15:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Etherpad - Wikipedia [15:41] schestowitz LicenseApache License 2.0 [15:42] schestowitz Stable release 1.8.6 / 18 September 2020; 3 months ago [15:42] schestowitz they need to deletegithub [15:42] vZS1_2 Etherpad is good software [15:43] techrights-bot What we expect to come from Valve to help Linux gaming in 2021 | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/01/what-we-expect-to-come-from-valve-to-help-linux-gaming-in-2021 #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games #Gaming [15:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What we expect to come from Valve to help Linux gaming in 2021 | GamingOnLinux [15:44] vZS1_2 I let the team choose their own tools. It turned out well. [15:45] techrights-bot Beast of a #Linux #Gaming Machine! #Slimbook Titan Launched With #AMD Ryzen 7 5800H and Nvidia RTX 3070 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146438#comment-27827 [15:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slimbook reveal the Ryzen 7 and RTX 3070 powered Titan | Tux Machines [15:46] vZS1_2 Most of the hard work was getting people to maintain clean Git histories. [15:46] schestowitz I am guessing they use etherpad somewher [15:46] schestowitz not built from scratch [15:46] schestowitz if you like it, self-host it [15:47] schestowitz that french site could block access and start charging [15:47] vZS1_2 I will, if the need arises. [15:47] schestowitz freemlium biz model [15:47] vZS1_2 I don't use Cryptpad anymore. [15:47] schestowitz they don't do this thing as altruistic venture [15:47] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:47] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:47] vZS1_2 I was just sharing experience [15:47] schestowitz not sure what 'crypt' aboyt it [15:47] vZS1_2 Oh we didn't care about the crypt [15:47] schestowitz crypto-insinuism [15:48] schestowitz we're 'secure' or 'private' something [15:49] schestowitz cryptoProtonQuantumsomething [15:49] schestowitz very, very secure [15:49] schestowitz even aliens can't crack it! [15:49] schestowitz with literally tesla and einstein on the site logo [15:50] vZS1_2 DX is an imposition. It's a post held by lackeys from "upper management". [15:51] vZS1_2 You're [DX] not an engineer. Don't assume you know what needs to be done. [15:51] schestowitz they always know better [15:51] schestowitz geeks are stupid [15:51] schestowitz and "ugly" [15:51] schestowitz and they wear sandals and stuff [15:52] vZS1_2 Coordination and project management don't need "DX". [15:52] vZS1_2 It's one of those made-up titles and buzzwords. See it everywhere now. [15:52] schestowitz they are middle managers [15:52] schestowitz to make sure the geeks don't outwit the suits [15:52] schestowitz keep the geeks humbled and scared [15:53] vZS1_2 We essentially the DX type infiltrating Free Software. [15:53] vZS1_2 Which is what I'm concerned about [15:54] vZS1_2 DX people love to concern troll [15:55] schestowitz for the "users" [15:55] schestowitz the geeks "don't understand" [15:55] schestowitz they get the blame [15:55] schestowitz they just do all the work [15:55] schestowitz RMS [15:55] schestowitz its his fault [15:55] psydroid I think of it as something more sinister [15:55] schestowitz that Free software isn't killing Microsoft [15:55] schestowitz replace RMS, now look at the FSF [15:55] schestowitz doing so much better, right? [15:55] psydroid more like a war of business people on technical people [15:56] schestowitz inferiority complex [15:56] schestowitz seen it, been there, done that [15:56] schestowitz had a boss like that [15:56] schestowitz 'boss' [15:56] schestowitz I made a complaint [15:56] schestowitz she got sacked [15:56] schestowitz she only kept harassing those who did all the work [15:56] schestowitz and some key staff handed in a notice [15:56] schestowitz I was close to that, too [15:56] schestowitz hence she was fired [15:57] vZS1_2 I still find it absurd that you kick out the founder of GNU and then some how make him the bad guy. [15:57] schestowitz and the CEO was all cocky and apologetic to me [15:57] schestowitz vZS1_2: not a new plan [15:57] schestowitz wait, will show you [15:57] DVulgaris I still don't get what the hell happened with the FSF [15:57] DVulgaris Stinks of M$ [15:57] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/09/26/richard-stallman-smeared-for-truth/ [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman is Not the Bad Guy | Techrights [15:57] schestowitz that was an early incident [15:57] psydroid Microsoft needs the business people to side with them, because if they don't the technical people will win out and start ruling companies and eventually the whole world [15:57] schestowitz GNOME Foundation [15:57] vZS1_2 RMS got backstabbed by people he trusted. [15:58] schestowitz De Icaza (Microsoft) and Peters (Microsoft) [15:58] schestowitz all those shills [15:58] DVulgaris So [15:58] DVulgaris They never let go (M$) [15:58] schestowitz they end up working for the big bucks [15:58] DVulgaris It's disgusting [15:58] schestowitz the money is in attacking FS [15:58] schestowitz not in promoting it [15:58] schestowitz and they enter just to elevate themselves at companies like Microsoft [15:58] schestowitz de Icaza even went for a job interview at Microsoft BEFORE he did GNOME [15:59] schestowitz a warning sign right there [15:59] vZS1_2 I have always said that trust doesn't scale. [15:59] vZS1_2 RMS found that out the hard way [15:59] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/09/24/zdnet-embeds-isc-anti-foss/ [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet Embeds Placements for Anti-Free Software Companies | Techrights ● Jan 16 [16:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/09/21/rms-on-miguel-de-icaza/ [16:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Miguel de Icaza is Basically a Traitor to the Free Software Community, Says Richard Stallman | Techrights [16:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/07/17/fsf-vs-microsoft-community-promises/ [16:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Foundation Discourages Dependence on Mono, Dismisses Microsoft Community Promise | Techrights [16:00] DVulgaris You know what's even more disgusting? [16:01] schestowitz sputnikv [16:01] DVulgaris M$ is trying to lock students into their systems [16:01] DVulgaris We had to study C# at HS [16:01] schestowitz techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EDGI [16:01] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_ELMS [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft ELMS - Techrights [16:01] DVulgaris Mainly because M$ convinced the school admin and bribed them [16:01] schestowitz odl tactics [16:01] schestowitz digital druglords [16:01] DVulgaris Exactly! [16:01] schestowitz yes, bribes [16:01] schestowitz those are expensive [16:01] schestowitz they can't pull this off forever [16:01] DVulgaris Not so [16:01] DVulgaris Again [16:02] DVulgaris I live in one of the most corrupt countries in the west [16:02] schestowitz they've also bribed university profs since the 90s at least [16:02] schestowitz when you let companies run by mafia-like minds have that much power... [16:02] schestowitz multiple-time-convicted, too [16:02] DVulgaris With the PM still being in office while it is widely known he accepted bribes time and time again [16:02] schestowitz Crime Minister [16:03] DVulgaris The political state of the west is laughable TBh [16:03] schestowitz weaponising COVID [16:03] DVulgaris s/TBh/TBH [16:03] psydroid a university professor at one of my faculties is a Microsoft employee [16:03] MinceR the east is no better [16:03] schestowitz psydroid: typical [16:03] DVulgaris psydroid: M$ and Intel funded "study spaces" at my uni [16:03] schestowitz sometimes they pass bribes by sponsoring "a lab" [16:03] DVulgaris Basically free advertising [16:03] DVulgaris Thankfully though [16:04] DVulgaris The IT admin are very much FOSS supporters [16:04] DVulgaris All the backend systems run debian [16:04] psydroid DVulgaris: we may be students at the same university ... but let's leave that aside [16:04] DVulgaris huh [16:04] DVulgaris Yh, I might be saying too much [16:04] vZS1_2 schestowitz: the lack of ports and peripheral support you mentioned in the latest Intel leaks video is only getting worse in schools. Many schools around the world are buying Chromebooks that barely have peripheral support. [16:04] psydroid it bothers me, though [16:05] psydroid I left industry to go back to university to escape these companies [16:05] DVulgaris And they're going after you basically [16:05] DVulgaris :( [16:05] psydroid and then I find out they infiltrated my own university [16:05] vZS1_2 Chromebooks are Google's attempt to turn laptops into another app interface. [16:05] DVulgaris Anyhow, I gtg for a bit [16:06] vZS1_2 Like the Amazon Swindle [16:06] schestowitz [16:04] schestowitz: the lack of ports and peripheral support you mentioned in the latest Intel leaks video is only getting worse in schools. Many schools around the world are buying Chromebooks that barely have peripheral support. [16:07] schestowitz what's a peripheral? [16:07] schestowitz "ipod" ? [16:07] schestowitz buy the latest! [16:07] schestowitz it will do wireless magic [16:07] schestowitz even charging [16:07] schestowitz wires begone [16:07] schestowitz do backups of 100GB to the clown over bluetooth [16:08] schestowitz [16:06] Like the Amazon Swindle [16:08] schestowitz 2 days ago I saw a headline about Swindle [16:08] schestowitz they have a new edition of it [16:08] schestowitz with "CLOWN" in its name [16:08] schestowitz something like "Kindle Cloud" [16:09] schestowitz Cannot recall [16:09] schestowitz it's amazing [16:09] schestowitz DRM not enough [16:09] schestowitz not they want to also store the data remotely [16:09] schestowitz not to just delete it remotely OFF your devices, as they did a decades ago with "copies" of ''1984' [16:14] vZS1_2 Couldn't have picked a better title. lol [16:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [16:17] schestowitz eventually they want to render all devices mere terminals [16:17] schestowitz or "edges" as they increasingly call them [16:17] schestowitz or "iot" [16:17] schestowitz "Smart" [16:17] schestowitz 1) get the app [16:17] schestowitz 2) press OK to all [16:17] schestowitz 3) connect to wireless [16:17] schestowitz 4) set to auto-update remotely [16:18] schestowitz 5) get license to get cached 'content' [16:18] schestowitz (over DRM of course) [16:18] schestowitz 6) after EoL, get a new terminal [16:18] schestowitz then go back to (1) [16:19] schestowitz today Nationwide sent us a card reader [16:19] schestowitz the one used just for login to the site [16:19] vZS1_2 A friend of mine brought to my attention something called Google Stadia. [16:19] vZS1_2 So now you have [16:19] schestowitz plastic with battery [16:19] vZS1_2 Clown gaming [16:19] vZS1_2 TM [16:19] schestowitz when the batteries run out you cannot replace them [16:19] schestowitz you cannot even open them to swap battery [16:19] schestowitz they tell you to throw it away and get the new/latest one [16:20] schestowitz [16:19] A friend of mine brought to my attention something called Google Stadia. [16:20] schestowitz and they tell me I use too much with ipfs ;-) [16:20] schestowitz (they did not) [16:20] schestowitz let's stream 1060p [16:20] schestowitz with sound, too [16:20] schestowitz for playing a f-ing game [16:20] vZS1_2 yep [16:20] schestowitz who needs low-ping games that circulate location [16:20] schestowitz send the whole f'ing frame buffer [16:20] schestowitz during lockdown [16:21] vZS1_2 yep [16:21] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:21] schestowitz google will try to pull off some profits [16:21] schestowitz then kil, [16:21] schestowitz kill the whole thing [16:21] vZS1_2 It won't last [16:21] schestowitz like buzz and Google+ [16:21] vZS1_2 I know several people that laughed at the concept (non-tech people) [16:21] schestowitz and throw game devs under the bus [16:21] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:21] schestowitz lockdowns can kill it [16:21] schestowitz more gamers [16:22] schestowitz but congested networks [16:22] schestowitz with that VPN crap of netclown [16:22] vZS1_2 Google want people to have shitty computers at home and use their clown for everything. [16:22] vZS1_2 It's obvious. [16:23] schestowitz the company IS the computer [16:23] schestowitz you are just paying for the terminal [16:23] vZS1_2 Yeah. Basically a UI [16:23] schestowitz like that "card reader" we get... for 'free' [16:23] schestowitz made to be disposable... in mainland China [16:23] vZS1_2 All you get is a UI [16:23] schestowitz low batteries? Throw away [16:23] schestowitz cheaper to pay for stamps [16:23] schestowitz worry about the metal and plastic later [16:25] vZS1_2 A post around Google Stadia and Chromebooks would be quite OT for TR [16:25] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [16:25] vZS1_2 With some new statistics, once we find some [16:26] vZS1_2 Schools in particular are jumping out of the pan and into the fire [16:26] schestowitz I mentioned DRM recently [16:26] vZS1_2 MSFT to Google [16:26] schestowitz even did a video about it [16:26] vZS1_2 I was meaning more in sense of taking away computing power from people [16:26] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/05/gnu-linux-and-gamers/ [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bringing DRM to GNU/Linux to Attract the Stereotypical Gamers | Techrights [16:26] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/19/linux-drm-not-inevitable/ [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | If Azure is Collapsing and Clown Computing a Passing Fad, Why Cant DRM Go Away as Well? | Techrights [16:27] schestowitz [16:26] I was meaning more in sense of taking away computing power from people [16:27] schestowitz That's what the US Army would like [16:27] schestowitz the world as a guest of the US [16:27] schestowitz they used to sell hardware [16:27] schestowitz now it's all made in CHina [16:27] schestowitz so they can at least wire all that hardware to the US infra [16:28] schestowitz and then leverage that power [16:28] schestowitz as they do with Twitter and FB censorship [16:28] schestowitz like throwing rhe nazi under the bus in time for inauguration of a "lesser evil" [16:28] schestowitz "celebrate peasants!" [16:29] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:30] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:39] psydroid And then people become addicted to the clown... who will rip their limbs off, as soon as he gets the chance [16:39] psydroid (I watched the remake of the movie based on Stephen King's It last year) [16:44] schestowitz I still remember software "suites" [16:44] schestowitz many features in them [16:44] schestowitz povray, blender3d [16:44] schestowitz now we have "apps" [16:44] schestowitz "we" as in many people [16:45] schestowitz the only explanations I have include lowering R&D costs, eliminating software versatility (also lowers costs associated with making and keeping up to date the documentation) [16:46] schestowitz the users become the data brokers [16:46] schestowitz with all these "data sciency" interfaces [16:46] schestowitz and people are just... data [16:46] schestowitz or "user-generated content" (creators) [16:46] schestowitz serfs basically [16:47] schestowitz this is how mozilla now views firefox users [16:47] schestowitz do I don't wan to be one anymore [16:49] techrights-bot Cheers! Wine 6.0 Released with Improved Support for Windows Games and Software on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146470#comment-27828 #gnu #linux #wine #games [16:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.0 Officially Released with Vulkan Backend for WineD3D, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines [16:51] techrights-bot Was: "How Jason A. Donenfeld created secure VPN WireGuard, included in Linux" https://www.businessinsider.com/wireguard-jason-a-donenfeld-profile-secure-vpn-linux-mac-windows-2021-1?r=US&IR=T [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | How Jason A. Donenfeld created secure VPN WireGuard, included in Linux - Business Insider [16:55] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146547 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [16:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:58] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Jan 16 [17:00] schestowitz Just checked if she's still around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uch0FlNo3Go [17:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Charlotte Church - Ave Maria (Dormition Abbey 2000) - YouTube [17:00] schestowitz seems like she still performs [17:00] schestowitz but hardly progressed since [17:00] schestowitz no more "young talent" [17:00] schestowitz just forgotten talent [17:01] psydroid I read she ruined her voice by singing in technically the wrong way [17:02] schestowitz the new songs suck [17:02] schestowitz I just checked [17:02] schestowitz suddenly I thought, where is she today? [17:02] schestowitz the new ones are like "pop" crap [17:02] schestowitz maybe living off the old brand she had gained around 20 years ago [17:04] schestowitz hm... spam https://hub.packtpub.com/sql-server-linux-from-blog-posts-sqlservercentral/ [17:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hub.packtpub.com | SQL Server Linux from Blog Posts - SQLServerCentral | Packt Hub [17:05] psydroid I can hear what you just said, she is singing Disney songs now [17:06] schestowitz ludicrous [17:06] schestowitz lost the class [17:06] schestowitz fancy videos [17:06] schestowitz with pop/kpop style footage [17:06] schestowitz not sclassical [17:06] schestowitz drumbeats and stuff [17:07] schestowitz maybe trying to blend in with the "content" cartel to stay relevant [17:07] schestowitz she must be about 35 now [17:07] psydroid I think it's not voluntary, but more a case that she either moved or got left behind forever [17:09] schestowitz sometimes they fall shy of expectation of distribution cartel [17:10] schestowitz like, they express certain political views [17:10] schestowitz and then fall from grace [17:10] schestowitz and they opt for younger and "sexier" ones [17:10] schestowitz who lack a political view or too afraid to use their name to express it [17:11] schestowitz case of point: jk rowling [17:12] techrights-bot #Python PIP Complete guide http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146548 #programming [17:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Python PIP Complete guide | Tux Machines [17:12] psydroid I admit I've never read any of her books [17:13] schestowitz Fiction [17:13] schestowitz and based on fantasies [17:13] schestowitz afaik [17:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [17:19] psydroid I notice there is more of a disconnect between what young people know and listen to and what I find interesting [17:20] psydroid even though my taste hasn't departed significantly from what it was 20-30 years ago, it just got expanded, which is normal as you get older [17:32] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:32] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:34] *aindilis has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:34] *vZS1_2 has quit (Quit: vZS1_2) [17:38] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [17:45] Ariadne the story of jk rowling is a bit more complicated than that [17:46] Ariadne she was radicalized on social control media with transphobic ideology [17:46] Ariadne it is sad for everyone involved [17:46] schestowitz social control media si toxic [17:46] Ariadne however, it is positive that such ideology was rejected [17:46] DVulgaris Yeah, I never got what got her into that [17:46] schestowitz she should have kept off it [17:46] DVulgaris TERFs and all [17:46] schestowitz or "write only" [17:46] DVulgaris Weird shit [17:47] Ariadne well, transphobia is just the homophobia of this century, and like homophobia is linked to white supremacy [17:47] DVulgaris The only thing I don't get [17:47] CrystalMath how is homophobia linked to white supremacy? [17:47] schestowitz transphobia and homophobia are less common in "white" countries [17:47] CrystalMath there's a lot of homophobia outside white culture [17:47] DVulgaris Is why are suicide rates still high even for post-op trans people [17:47] schestowitz so there's another angle to it [17:47] DVulgaris I think that the current research is missing something [17:47] CrystalMath actually, transphobia is more common in white countries than in asia, but homophobia is more common in asia [17:47] DVulgaris And it is very sad [17:47] schestowitz good luck as trans or gay in a country that is not white [17:48] CrystalMath it's different [17:48] schestowitz might not even survive one day [17:48] DVulgaris CrystalMath: Depends where in asia [17:48] CrystalMath schestowitz: it's easy to be trans in iran [17:48] CrystalMath they fund your transition [17:48] CrystalMath but if you're gay, you get killed [17:48] DVulgaris CrystalMath: That's because they're Shia [17:48] Ariadne CrystalMath: its the same broken thought process [17:48] DVulgaris Sunnis are much much worse [17:48] DVulgaris They'll kill them anyway [17:48] Ariadne anyway, bigotry of any kind should be rejected [17:48] DVulgaris Shia are generally "lighter" [17:48] DVulgaris But the West is allied with Sunnis [17:49] DVulgaris So [17:49] DVulgaris ... [17:49] DVulgaris Don't get me wrong though [17:49] DVulgaris Both are shit [17:49] Ariadne suicide rate with trans people is largely driven by lack of opportunity [17:49] DVulgaris And discrimination I think [17:49] DVulgaris More like isolation probably [17:50] CrystalMath it's possible that dysphoria is permanent [17:50] DVulgaris It can be permanent in other cases [17:50] CrystalMath and the trauma of being born in the wrong body is unrecoverable [17:50] Ariadne it is mostly the discrimination [17:50] DVulgaris Exactly [17:50] DVulgaris I think the "permanent dysphoria" is just a minority [17:51] Ariadne trans people, even "passing" post-op trans people are at risk of having their career destroyed at any time [17:51] Ariadne if only white men were in such a situation (oh wait, that's why they hate #MeToo) [17:51] CrystalMath Ariadne: you should never wish for anyone else to be in such a situation [17:52] CrystalMath i *really* hate that [17:52] Ariadne i don't [17:52] CrystalMath and i am proud of myself, that many times i have suffered an injustice, i *never* wished for someone else to suffer it too [17:52] Ariadne i am just saying that trans people do not know the same level of career stability that white men do. [17:53] Ariadne and, white men hate #MeToo for this reason: it places their career stability at risk [17:53] CrystalMath i hate #MeToo because it's unfair [17:53] CrystalMath i don't think it places career stability at risk [17:54] CrystalMath or at least, i don't think that far, when something is unfair, it deserves to be hated [17:54] CrystalMath just by its principle [17:54] Ariadne you don't? because #MeToo has certainly demolished a lot of careers [17:54] Ariadne and i have had people tell me "they hope they don't get #MeToo'd" [17:54] DVulgaris It just reverses what is accepted in terms of justice [17:54] CrystalMath similarly, i'm opposed to all kinds of discrimination, even reverse discrimination [17:54] DVulgaris One should be innocent until proven guilty [17:54] DVulgaris Not the other way around [17:55] CrystalMath absolutely! the presumption of innocence is the most important thing [17:55] DVulgaris I mean, look at what they've done to RMS [17:55] schestowitz what is metoo in this context? [17:55] CrystalMath the most important thing ever, and it must apply to EVERY court, even the court of public opinion [17:55] schestowitz I think someone mistakes it for affirmative action and quotas [17:55] schestowitz not the same thing at all [17:55] Ariadne i think what happened to RMS is bullshit, but he could have more eloquently defended Minsky (who was one of my favorite professors) [17:55] DVulgaris Ariadne: I think he's just on the autism spectrum [17:56] Ariadne yes, but even autistics can learn to react tactically [17:56] DVulgaris True [17:56] schestowitz his reaction was not bad [17:56] schestowitz reaction to his email was bad [17:56] schestowitz and based on lying pieces [17:56] CrystalMath honestly, there's nothing that RMS said that was bad [17:56] Ariadne it was not great [17:56] schestowitz like sjvn's [17:56] CrystalMath he's totally right about everything [17:56] schestowitz people seeing headlines like this http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ [17:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights [17:56] schestowitz he reaction to his reaction wasn't too bad [17:56] CrystalMath i mean people should realize that the AoC is not greater than 17 in 95% of the world [17:57] schestowitz he apologised to those who misunderstood [17:57] schestowitz but people kept flinging libel at him [17:57] Ariadne schestowitz: i am subscribed to the list in question. he said some things that were taken out of context, because he did not think through what he wanted to say before saying it. [17:57] schestowitz like this http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ [17:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake Door Sign Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights [17:57] CrystalMath Ariadne: like what? [17:57] schestowitz They never even deleted any of these defamatory "tweets" [17:57] schestowitz because they had gone "viral" and earned them points (for libel) [17:58] Ariadne well, for one, he argued that even if Minsky accepted the massage and happy ending from an underage girl on Epstein's private island, that this is fine because it wasn't a little kid [17:58] schestowitz CrystalMath: yes, i want to see examples, too [17:58] schestowitz he did not say this [17:58] schestowitz that I know of [17:58] Ariadne he did [17:58] CrystalMath yeah he really didn't say it like that [17:58] schestowitz unless there are messages that were not published [17:58] schestowitz show me with a link [17:58] Ariadne i am paraphrasing, but [17:59] schestowitz I need to see the oroiginal [17:59] CrystalMath i think RMS's point was that he could have thought she was 18 easily [17:59] schestowitz he had said in his blog things about 16 year olds having sex [17:59] Ariadne yes, i get that [17:59] schestowitz which is legal in most states by the way [17:59] CrystalMath schestowitz: which is legal in 90% of the world [17:59] schestowitz in italy they go even lower [17:59] Ariadne anyway [17:59] CrystalMath in china they go lower (14) [17:59] CrystalMath in most of europe [17:59] Ariadne the point is, he reacted emotionally [17:59] CrystalMath all of latin america [17:59] Ariadne instead of writing a thought out response ● Jan 16 [18:00] schestowitz the response the media attacked him for was distorted [18:00] schestowitz he made a few valid point [18:00] schestowitz some that might upset someone [18:00] schestowitz not that it's a crime to upset someone [18:00] schestowitz esp. picking on or nitpicking the term "assault" [18:00] Ariadne anyway, i find it unlikely that Minsky even accepted the massage + happy ending offer [18:00] DVulgaris Though, in the eyes of the mob [18:00] schestowitz the worst media did was spin the word "willing" [18:00] DVulgaris It is a crime to upset someone [18:01] CrystalMath DVulgaris: the mob is STUPID, i talked to them [18:01] DVulgaris The mob is stupid - by definition [18:01] schestowitz Ariadne: his wife denies it [18:01] schestowitz posthumously [18:01] CrystalMath they actually did not know that in 70% of the world a 90yo can legally have sex with a 15yo [18:01] schestowitz and she's a person of honour [18:01] Ariadne well, of course she would :P [18:01] schestowitz but who knows... [18:01] CrystalMath when i showed them proof they shut up [18:01] Ariadne anyway, something that made it worse for RMS is [18:01] Ariadne that response pissed off some allies of Minsky [18:02] schestowitz CrystalMath: I think she was 17 at the time, can't remember though [18:02] DVulgaris Though, I will note that the US still has these crazy puritan views on a lot of things [18:02] schestowitz and if she was a 18-y-o student of his from MIT, then fine? [18:02] CrystalMath schestowitz: yeah, that would make it 95% of the world [18:02] Ariadne because instead of just saying the truth -- that no such offer was accepted, he tried to defend accepting such an offer that was never accepted in the first place [18:02] CrystalMath DVulgaris: even in the US, in 80% of it, it's fine [18:02] DVulgaris I know [18:02] Ariadne so it was offensive from multiple angles [18:03] Ariadne first, he threw Minsky under the bus while trying to defend him [18:03] schestowitz he did not [18:03] schestowitz it was a hypothetical statement [18:03] schestowitz anyway, they lost sight of the Gates scandal [18:03] CrystalMath personally i consider the AoC to be a hard limit, and people should generally go for higher themselves [18:03] schestowitz I even told RMS a week earlier [18:03] Ariadne yes, well, it was a hypothetical statement that many people took as him throwing Minsky under the bus [18:03] CrystalMath but the law only goes after people who cross that line [18:03] schestowitz that it looked to me like a distraction from Billie Goat [18:04] schestowitz Bill did vastly worse things [18:04] schestowitz than what Minsky was ACCUSED fo doing [18:04] schestowitz RMS was never the scandal [18:04] schestowitz he wrote an email about a mate who had died [18:04] schestowitz and could not defend himself directly [18:04] schestowitz so it's totally ludicrous [18:04] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ [18:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights [18:05] Ariadne well anyway, it was an emotionally charged situation regardless [18:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ [18:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights [18:05] Ariadne sometimes leadership requires that you think about things before doing them [18:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/whistleblower-aid-gates-mit-epstein/ [18:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Whistleblower Aid Already Showed Cover-up of Bill Gates Contributions to MIT | Techrights [18:05] Ariadne yes yes, bill gates, blah blah blah [18:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/ [18:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights [18:05] schestowitz Ariadne: it's a bit deal [18:05] Ariadne why would bill gates pay MIT through epstein [18:06] schestowitz belittling it like josh gay did isn't helping [18:06] CrystalMath i suppose he did kinda throw Minsky under the bus, but we should be coaching RMS to be a little less protective of people, not mroe [18:06] schestowitz controbutes to the idea that FSF wants to throw its own founder under a buss [18:06] schestowitz while helping to cover up for real villains [18:06] Ariadne CrystalMath: i have no objection to his intent there, just the way in which he did it [18:06] CrystalMath people have been bothering RMS about this stuff for decades [18:06] schestowitz Ariadne: the timing matters [18:06] Ariadne and, as i've said, i think it is bullshit that they went after him for *that* [18:06] Ariadne anyway [18:06] schestowitz the media connected to Gates' friend started off the mob lyncg [18:06] CrystalMath he's been surrounded by these crazy puritans, telling him that women need to be protected just because they're women (which is anti-gender equality) [18:07] schestowitz a week or so after the media was after Gates over the MIT thing [18:07] CrystalMath and over time he accepted some of their insane views [18:07] Ariadne (1) why would bill gates give money to MIT through a third party (Epstein) ? [18:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ [18:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights [18:07] Ariadne (2) why wouldn't gates just give money to MIT directly [18:07] Ariadne and, go [18:08] schestowitz read on [18:08] CrystalMath Ariadne: those people that RMS surrounded himself with actually told me that women are "wearker, lesser" [18:08] CrystalMath that's bullcrap of the highest order [18:08] CrystalMath *weaker [18:08] Ariadne none of these links explain to me why gates would launder money for MIT through epstein [18:08] schestowitz Ito already said it had happened [18:08] schestowitz I'm not going to start refuting actual emails FROM MIT ADMINS! [18:08] schestowitz Several of them [18:08] CrystalMath Ariadne: it's those people like Bradley Kuhn that are the problem [18:09] Ariadne schestowitz: i don't doubt it happened, i am just asking why [18:09] Ariadne because that's a far juicier story, don't you think? [18:09] CrystalMath Ariadne: they're all SWERFs, and former TERFs [18:09] schestowitz Ariadne: look back at the jail visits [18:09] schestowitz and what they sought to accomplish [18:09] schestowitz after his imprisonment [18:09] schestowitz and after Gates flew with him [18:09] Ariadne i'm just asking -- if i were gates, why wouldn't i just give money to MIT directly [18:09] schestowitz they did that too [18:10] schestowitz read the emails [18:10] schestowitz they asked for secrecy [18:10] schestowitz and needed a mule [18:10] schestowitz for PR reasons [18:10] schestowitz not the first time passing money via proxies [18:10] Ariadne CrystalMath: do you have any citations re: bkuhn being a TERF/SWERF? [18:11] Ariadne i'm curious to know more [18:11] Ariadne alpine is looking into changing its organizational structure, and conservancy was discussed as a possible option. if conservancy leadership holds values like that, however, it would be problematic [18:12] schestowitz this is the sole issue? [18:12] schestowitz not sfc taking ms cash? [18:12] schestowitz selling them keynotes? [18:12] Ariadne hey if MS wants to give me cash, i'm not going to say no [18:12] Ariadne as long as it is no strings attached [18:12] CrystalMath Ariadne: he isn't a TERF anymore, but he was around in the early 2000s, when they rejected a transwoman's job application because "her appearance was weird" [18:12] schestowitz there are [18:12] schestowitz keynotes [18:13] Ariadne alpine bullied microsoft into joining OIN, which was pretty hilarious :) [18:13] schestowitz they keep extorting [18:13] CrystalMath Ariadne: his SWERFdom is visible on his blog [18:13] schestowitz it was a pr ploy [18:14] schestowitz months later a patent lawsuit [18:14] schestowitz 5 months latter iitc [18:14] Ariadne schestowitz: yeah i am not surprised they aren't committing to a spirit of abolishing software patents [18:14] Ariadne hince "hilarious" being my description of that accomplishmnt [18:14] schestowitz oin became bad too [18:14] schestowitz after their grace period [18:14] CrystalMath Ariadne: evidence here: http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2019/10/15/fsf-rms.html [18:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ebb.org | On Recent Controversial Events - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) [18:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [18:15] Ariadne OIN has been bad from day 1, because they advance a narrative that software patents are legitimate [18:15] schestowitz but... [18:15] CrystalMath Ariadne: Bradley Kuhn lists a series of RMS political posts that he considers harmful [18:15] schestowitz benefit of doubt [18:15] schestowitz +palmisano [18:15] CrystalMath one of which is this: https://web.archive.org/web/20191011023557/https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#21_September_2019_(Sex_workers) [18:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | 2019: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [18:15] Ariadne CrystalMath: got it [18:16] CrystalMath "Today's Sex Workers, Like Their Victorian Sisters, Don't Want "saving". Feminism today is drifting off the track into a campaign of prudery that harms everyone, except those who are asexual." [18:17] CrystalMath "When the escalation started, I still considered RMS both a friend and colleague, and I attempted to argue with him at length to convince him that some of his positions were harmful to sexual assault survivors and those who are *sex-trafficked*, and to the people who devote their lives in service to such individuals." -- Bradley Kuhn himself (emphasis mine) [18:17] CrystalMath he believes that sex workers are necessarily sex trafficked and need to be protected for their own good, and cannot decide for themselves [18:17] Ariadne schestowitz: it was a symbolic concession, obviously. but we wanted some sort of concession to allow them to use alpine's name and marks in windows store. [18:17] CrystalMath which is typical of idiots who also want the AoC to be positive infinity [18:18] Ariadne which is more than what debian or suse asked :) [18:18] CrystalMath this is enough to prove to me 100% that Bradley Kuhn is a SWERF, it's visible in his language [18:18] schestowitz Ariadne: right: logo on a page :-) [18:18] Ariadne CrystalMath: yes, that is unfortunate [18:18] schestowitz but why even focus on that? [18:18] schestowitz I always found his smug [18:19] schestowitz and arrogant towards fellow FS proponents [18:19] schestowitz myself probably included [18:19] Ariadne schestowitz: understanding the attitude of a person helps in understanding what interpersonal relations with that person may look like [18:19] schestowitz and many agreed with me when I pointed this out a decade ago [18:19] schestowitz he's not good with social aspects [18:19] schestowitz ar all [18:19] schestowitz *at [18:19] schestowitz anyone here found kuhn amicable? [18:19] schestowitz or amicable? [18:19] schestowitz Sandler is a lot nicer [18:20] schestowitz a bit of a "on a high horse", but... [18:20] Ariadne understanding what a relationship looks like ahead of time is important when discussing a distribution with non-trivial assets and a billion dollar ecosystem [18:20] Ariadne discussing stewardship of* [18:20] schestowitz I see... [18:20] schestowitz well, I lost faith in SFC 3 years ago [18:20] schestowitz all sorts of things that we covered happened [18:20] Ariadne one concern of mine is that SFC may take legal actions we don't consent to [18:21] Ariadne this is also a concern with SFLC/SPI [18:21] CrystalMath Ariadne: like which? [18:21] schestowitz I sympathised when Sandler was pushed out of LF [18:21] schestowitz now SFC is becoming more like LF [18:21] Ariadne CrystalMath: GPL enforcement [18:22] CrystalMath she can't do copyright enforcement without the power of attorney [18:22] CrystalMath unless the SFC is the copyright holder [18:22] Ariadne to join SFC, you grant them power of attorney [18:22] CrystalMath really? that sounds horrible [18:22] Ariadne anyway, it is most likely that alpine will remain independent, possibly as a societas europaea [18:22] CrystalMath can you leave? [18:23] CrystalMath also, you can always give people a BSD license [18:23] CrystalMath making the trial a guaranteed loss [18:23] CrystalMath damaging the SFC in the progress [18:23] CrystalMath *process [18:23] Ariadne that is not a relationship we would want to have with the steward of our resources [18:24] CrystalMath i absolutely oppose the SFC [18:24] Ariadne however, some projects in the alpine ecosystem are stewarded by linux foundation [18:24] Ariadne which is not great either [18:24] schestowitz What have they as lawyers accomplished anyway? [18:24] schestowitz the samba lawyers did more [18:25] Ariadne gpl-violations.org has been great news for VxWorks adoption :) [18:25] CrystalMath https://sfconservancy.org/projects/current/ [18:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | Current Projects - Software Freedom Conservancy [18:25] smnthermes https://9to5linux.com/tails-anonymous-linux-os-wants-to-migrate-to-wayland-to-improve-app-security [18:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tails Anonymous Linux OS Wants to Migrate to Wayland to Improve App Security - 9to5Linux [18:25] CrystalMath this is a great list of projects to avoid [18:26] CrystalMath dammit, QEMU is there [18:26] schestowitz do they still hire techs? [18:26] schestowitz who can code? [18:26] schestowitz and DO they code? [18:26] CrystalMath oh my! i almost helped them [18:26] CrystalMath i will NOT submit that patch i had ready for qemu laying around [18:26] CrystalMath death to qemu [18:26] schestowitz seems to me like it's a fundrising thing with invoing for sponsorship and keynotes on sale now [18:26] schestowitz hey, google, wanna KEYNOTE? [18:26] CrystalMath death to wine, too [18:27] CrystalMath and death to inkscape, i'm gonna remove that crap [18:28] schestowitz doesn't reactos use wine? [18:28] CrystalMath yes, but i still hate it [18:28] CrystalMath i always refused to contribute to wine [18:28] MinceR death to reactos as well [18:28] CrystalMath MinceR: no, it's not in the SFC [18:28] CrystalMath if my hatred of Karen Sandler keeps growing, i will start being anti-GPL too [18:29] Ariadne anyway, if alpine were to make a GPL enforcement action, we would want to be the ones making that decision [18:29] CrystalMath maybe i should just use the MIT license from now on [18:29] MinceR CrystalMath: it's still a reimplementation of a bad design :> [18:29] Ariadne and i don't think that is unreasonable [18:29] CrystalMath i would rather help Microsoft than Coraline Ada Ehmke [18:29] Ariadne Coraline is actually a nice person. have you ever talked to her? [18:29] MinceR who's forcing you to help either? [18:30] CrystalMath Ariadne: no, and i wouldn't want to, her ethical software movement is horrible [18:30] CrystalMath at least the proprietary software movement is honest [18:30] MinceR Ariadne: attacking free software projects is not a really nice thing to do, actually [18:30] Ariadne it is possible to have friendly conversation while disagreeing on some things [18:30] CrystalMath yeah i suppose she's probably not that bad to talk to [18:31] CrystalMath but there's still that strong disagreement [18:31] CrystalMath and the fact that i would sooner give money and code to microsoft than her movement [18:31] Ariadne it is valuable to get different points of view when exploring an issue [18:31] CrystalMath i'm sure Bill Gates is nice to talk to, too [18:31] Ariadne wouldn't know [18:31] CrystalMath we could play contract bridge [18:31] CrystalMath if we find 2 more players [18:32] Ariadne i vaguely remember my grandparents' windows for workgroups machine having a contract bridge game [18:32] CrystalMath (as a former member of the Bill Gates fan club, i know that's his favorite card game) [18:33] MinceR harassing free software developers so that SJWs get to control who gets to work on their code and who doesn't is even less of a nice thing to do [18:33] CrystalMath Ariadne: maybe it's my upbringing, but i would rather support a murderer than an overprotective parent figure [18:33] CrystalMath Ariadne: simply because i never had an abuser, just overprotective parents [18:33] MinceR i'd rather protect neither [18:33] MinceR neither deserve protection and it's less work for me [18:33] CrystalMath yeah but i mean, i'm more angry about being overprotected than abused [18:34] Ariadne anyway [18:36] CrystalMath okay yes i did say some crazy stuff just because i was angry... it happens [18:38] Ariadne i'm skeptical of all of those "we act as proxy steward for projects" things [18:38] Ariadne if you let them have a finger in the pie, they'll fuck up the pie given enough time [18:38] *schestowitz has 50 cents [18:38] *schestowitz looks at OSI and LF [18:39] Ariadne for smaller projects it makes sense, but not for something at distro scale imo [18:39] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20071342 [18:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4751048) [18:39] *titanbiscuit (~tbisk@104.200.131.173) has joined #techrights [18:40] CrystalMath MinceR: that's how i felt a while ago [18:40] Ariadne i wish activitypub were less verbose [18:40] MinceR like that cat? [18:40] CrystalMath yes [18:40] CrystalMath :P [18:40] MinceR :3 [18:42] CrystalMath isn't my logic great when i'm angry? i think Coraline is subverting the free software movement in favor of Bill Gates, so i'm going to help Bill Gates in order to get back at coraline [18:42] Ariadne 'ethical source' is basically an emotional reaction to the toolmakers' dilemma [18:42] CrystalMath i was angry a few days ago and wrote my own Unethical License [18:42] Ariadne i don't think copyright is an effective tool for this [18:42] CrystalMath it demands that you use the software for evil only [18:43] Ariadne i would prefer that people do not use my work to harm others, but the reality is, once it's out there, it's out there [18:43] CrystalMath i would prefer it if my software was used to harm others, especially that DOS emulator of mine [18:43] Ariadne instead, if you care about such things, the best way is to be vocal about it in your life [18:43] CrystalMath emulate the hell out of someone [18:44] Ariadne in other words, if i write an http server, i can't do anything about the KKK using it for their website [18:44] Ariadne but i can choose to not answer their inquiries [18:45] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/what-is-ncoc/ [18:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Codes of Conduct for Grown-ups | Techrights [18:45] schestowitz CrystalMath: ^ [18:45] Ariadne the contributor covenant has one nice feature [18:45] Ariadne alt-right people see it and tend to go elsewhere [18:45] Ariadne for that reason alone, i have started using it [18:46] CrystalMath then i will write a CoC [18:46] CrystalMath which says that people must fight every day [18:46] Ariadne obviously, a document does not mean anything [18:46] CrystalMath FCCoC (Fight Club Code of Conduct) [18:46] Ariadne but if it makes alt-righters choose a different project [18:46] Ariadne that works for me ^_^ [18:46] MinceR Ariadne: not only altReich people avoid dealing with CoC-infested projects [18:46] schestowitz that makes coc look disingenuous [18:46] CrystalMath i'm going to fork your project and put up a fight club code of conduct [18:46] schestowitz reinforces the idea that it's a plot unrelated to software [18:46] MinceR CrystalMath: how do you define evil, though, as far as complying with the UL goes? [18:46] schestowitz but about excluding people [18:47] Ariadne well, i do indeed wish to exclude alt-right people [18:47] CrystalMath MinceR: it's purposely left undefined, after all, it's more evil if i don't tell people [18:47] Ariadne but i would just ban them regardless from my tracker [18:47] Ariadne so :) [18:47] schestowitz coc does not do that [18:47] CrystalMath mwahahahahaha [18:47] schestowitz coc alienates people other than the right [18:47] schestowitz it excludes some older people [18:47] schestowitz who are not used to this kind of hammer [18:48] CrystalMath Ariadne: i'm seriously going to fork your projects, and put up a code of conduct that says "Be horrible to each other." [18:48] MinceR it also excludes people who do not like to be at the mercy of megacorporate bureaucrats [18:48] MinceR like in the case of Linux [18:48] Ariadne CrystalMath: go for it [18:48] CrystalMath the opposite of "Be excellent to each other." [18:48] schestowitz if you want to alienate fascists, use a rainbow for project logo [18:48] MinceR and the Microsoft Linux Foundation [18:48] schestowitz coc is not the right brush [18:48] schestowitz too broad [18:48] CrystalMath schestowitz: eh, that won't alienate me [18:48] CrystalMath and i love hatred [18:48] CrystalMath i'm not conservative though [18:48] MinceR 16 194818 < schestowitz> if you want to alienate fascists, use a rainbow for project logo [18:48] MinceR nice idea [18:49] MinceR though it might not fit with all projects :> [18:49] schestowitz use antifa logo [18:49] schestowitz they hate people who oppose what they are [18:50] Ariadne i'll just embed 'always' by erasure on the project website and have it play in a loop until it gets DMCA'd [18:50] Ariadne ;) [18:50] CrystalMath eh, but if it's about a real antifa, not the one that destroys the businesses of poor black people, then what is there to dislike about it? [18:50] CrystalMath Ariadne: i love that song [18:51] CrystalMath years ago, i have considered making The Prodigy's Smack My Bitch Up to be the official theme song of my projects, just to get people who can't take bad words away from it [18:52] CrystalMath because i don't want people who can't withstand a good mental beating (not physical, since i can't withstand that either) [18:52] CrystalMath it's okay to be physically weak, but it's not okay to be mentally weak [18:53] Ariadne heh [18:54] CrystalMath maybe there could also be a bot that prints lots of alt-right stuff, as a hazing test [18:54] CrystalMath if you survive that, you pass [18:54] CrystalMath oh, but there must also be a bot that prints socialist stuff [18:55] CrystalMath to clear the mentally weak on the other side as well [18:55] Ariadne anyway [18:55] Ariadne time to write some code to mutate RDF collections [18:55] MinceR you could combine them by having a bot that prints national socialist stuff [18:55] Ariadne WHAT FUN [18:55] CrystalMath MinceR: yeah but then it will sound either crazy or very specific [18:55] CrystalMath MinceR: i need to expose people to totally extreme different viewpoints [18:55] MinceR 1 5-line swastika comes up every minute. what could possibly go wrong? [18:55] Ariadne just train a markov generator on trump's twitter feed [18:56] CrystalMath Ariadne: but i need the other side, as well [18:56] CrystalMath because i only want centrists [18:56] CrystalMath i want to chase away anyone who is polarized on either side [18:57] CrystalMath schestowitz: i liked Unfettered Freedom episode 11, is that the same guy as DistroTube? [18:57] MinceR i wonder if the bot would be called TriggerBot [18:59] CrystalMath but even if someone has an extreme opinion, it's still okay if they're not easily triggered [18:59] CrystalMath like if they can listen to other opinions and survive [18:59] CrystalMath because i believe in not discriminating by opinions ● Jan 16 [19:00] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games#Aimbots_and_triggerbots [19:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cheating in online games - Wikipedia [19:00] CrystalMath ah, i didn't know that was a thing [19:01] MinceR :) [19:01] CrystalMath i think i'm getting a migraine [19:02] schestowitz [18:59] because i believe in not discriminating by opinions [19:02] schestowitz I just did a video about Mozilla [19:02] schestowitz very slow to upload [19:02] schestowitz about 10mb/hour [19:03] schestowitz MinceR: that's not hard to do.. [19:07] XRevan86 https://smbc-comics.com/comic/bad-things [19:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Bad Things [19:07] MinceR :> [19:08] MinceR baby-eating ftw [19:08] MinceR http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1080/1080-h/1080-h.htm [19:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gutenberg.org | A Modest Proposal, by Jonathan Swift [19:12] CrystalMath MinceR: so now you know how much i hate the easily triggered; it's a good thing that i wasn't easily triggered into saying all those things, right? [19:12] *aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [19:13] MinceR lol [19:13] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [19:13] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:14] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [19:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [19:15] kingoffrance https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/code-of-conduct/ A code of conduct is a set of rules governing proper manner of conducting oneself as part of an organization. It is similar to a code of ethics. <-- as i pointed out before, legal == rules, form, letter of law no "morals" there. [19:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-definitions.uslegal.com | Code of Conduct Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc. [19:15] kingoffrance law has morals, legal stuff does not [19:15] kingoffrance its dead letter look for loopholes murder the spirit [19:16] kingoffrance any legal stuff pretending to be moral is a non-sequitor [19:16] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcpdjhlifilityqt) has joined #techrights [19:19] kingoffrance morals are only possible when there is a concept of spirit. not a checklist of things to tick off [19:23] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:36] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/18/849514d859c600f4.jpg [19:40] kingoffrance and once you have "spirit of the law" that is something preceding any written law/codes/rules, something higher, something that might generate the letter of the law. and allow breaking the letter/rules. [19:40] *GuyFieri (490bb546@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.11.181.70) has joined #techrights [19:41] kingoffrance that is what is meant by the distinction [19:41] kingoffrance why there has to be that separation [19:41] kingoffrance else you get the code can do no wrong, is infallible, etc. [19:42] MinceR the spirit is fallible as well [19:50] *GuyFieri has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [19:51] *GuyFieri (490bb546@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.11.181.70) has joined #techrights [19:51] *GuyFieri has quit (Client Quit) ● Jan 16 [20:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [20:16] schestowitz the OSI infiltrators would say, UN is morals [20:17] schestowitz (yes, same UN that puts Saudi Barbaria in key chairs) [20:20] MinceR and the same UN that attacked the entire IT industry with the WIPO Copyright Treaty [20:21] schestowitz of just WIPO [20:24] techrights-bot #HowTo Install Garuda #KDE Dragonized http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146549 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Install Garuda KDE Dragonized | Tux Machines [20:26] techrights-bot 12 Useful #FreeSW #Git Tools http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146550 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 12 Useful Free and Open Source Git Tools | Tux Machines [20:27] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146551 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest [20:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [20:48] techrights-bot #FreeSpeech on the Web Not Respected by Companies That Used to Support #SoftwareFreedom http://techrights.org/2021/01/16/neutral-browsers/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [20:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Speech on the Web Not Respected by Companies That Used to Support Software Freedom | Techrights [20:51] techrights-bot #IPEC is a court named after a misnomer, "AYE PEE"; this is a #copyright case, so speak of #copyrights rather than mythology associated with it (or made up by cartels and their zealots) http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/01/guest-post-unsung-florence-foster.html [20:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Guest post] Unsung Florence Foster Jenkins screenwriter is entitled to joint authorship share - The IPKat [20:55] techrights-bot Scorewriter #MuseScore 3.6 Released with New Fonts, Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146552 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest [20:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Scorewriter MuseScore 3.6 Released with New Fonts, Improvements | Tux Machines [20:55] schestowitz MinceR: OR just WIPO, in general http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/WIPO [20:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | WIPO - Techrights [20:57] techrights-bot Measuring one's (or your) age by how long you're been used or enslaved by a #socialcontrolmedia venture of Saudis and megalomaniacs with malicious agenda... https://popey.com/blog/2021/01/13th-twitterversary/ [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | 13th Twitter-versary ● Jan 16 [21:03] techrights-bot Wine pops cork on version 6.0 of the #Windows compatibility layer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146470#comment-27829 #gnu #linux [21:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.0 Officially Released with Vulkan Backend for WineD3D, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines [21:06] DaemonFC[m] What happened in South Africa has been an ongoing tragedy for many decades. [21:06] techrights-bot Some of these are #proprietarysoftware , which #GNU / #Linux do not need for any practical reason https://www.how2shout.com/linux/5-best-free-pdf-editors-for-ubuntu-linux-in-2021/ [21:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.how2shout.com | 5 Best free PDF editors for Ubuntu Linux in 2021 - Linux Shout [21:06] DaemonFC[m] The apartheid government fell (good), it was said that instead of vendetta that they would all figure out how to get along somehow under the new government (good), and then that's not what happened. [21:07] DaemonFC[m] The new government turned into a kleptocracy that accuses white people who are citizens of "stealing land" and seizes productive farm land and doesn't use it for anything, and turns the other way while people are being murdered. [21:07] DaemonFC[m] (So, things came full circle.) [21:07] techrights-bot Transition from #Thunderbird to #Mutt https://abhijithpa.me/2021/transition-from-thunderbird-to-mutt/ I've long wondered about doing something such as this... [21:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abhijithpa.me | Transition from Thunderbird to Mutt [21:09] DaemonFC[m] "Burgeoning kleptocracy." is a term used to describe the state of Illinois from a "racist publication" that the SPLC tracks, based in Roanoke, Indiana. [21:09] techrights-bot "When cars become so smart [sic] that they starve themselves. [...] this shortage is due to pushing useless or harmful stuff." https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/01/the-unneeded-shortage-of-semiconductors-for-cars/ [21:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | The unneeded shortage of semiconductors for cars | Stop at Zona-M [21:10] DaemonFC[m] And on that point, I must agree. Public "workers" have gotten so powerful that the state just ignores the good of the public, takes their earnings, and shovels 2-3 times what these public workers should earn into their hands. [21:10] DaemonFC[m] Knowing that a lot of it will end up back in Democratic Party coffers. [21:10] DaemonFC[m] They can go back and market themselves to welfare cases and public "workers" and get all the votes they need that way. [21:10] techrights-bot #Java Built-In Functional Interfaces Cheatsheet and Examples http://knowledgebasement.com/java-built-in-functional-interfaces-cheatsheet-and-examples/ #programming [21:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-knowledgebasement.com | Java Built-In Functional Interfaces Cheatsheet and Examples | [21:11] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: And of course, this can go on forever as businesses and private sector workers go "It's beginning to look a lot like fuck this." and skip across the border. [21:11] MinceR :> [21:11] DaemonFC[m] But the Democrats see that as a bonus. The productive people aren't interested in voting for them anyway, and the state empties out of those people before the ponzi falls apart. [21:13] DaemonFC[m] Then the state is broken mess full of people who can't get welfare or pensions anymore after the sovereign default, but hey at least there's no Republicans. [21:13] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146553 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest [21:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:13] DaemonFC[m] And the first people to empty out of Chicago are the ones who were earning six or seven figures and can get up and go anywhere they want, just like people were warned of. [21:14] schestowitz debt too big [21:14] DaemonFC[m] Before the virus, it was looking like the state might actually survive its problems because it had an advanced and diversified private sector economy. [21:14] schestowitz Biden wants to shell out another 1.9 trillion [21:14] DaemonFC[m] And we'd all just muddle along somehow. [21:14] schestowitz that'll be more like Trump, or 10 trillion extra debt in less than 5 years [21:14] schestowitz you cannot run at a deficit that huge [21:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [21:15] DaemonFC[m] Now the tax base is gone, the public debt is so bad that only the Federal Reserve will loan Illinois money at rates below what Russia can get, and the party is just about over. [21:15] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: If the Fed won't keep loaning Illinois money, the scam falls apart in about 6 months maybe. [21:16] DaemonFC[m] And since its shareholders are private bankers who have no interest in propping up a failed state, how long will this go on? [21:16] techrights-bot #KDE e.V. board meeting January 2021 | [bobulate] https://euroquis.nl//kde/2021/01/16/kdeev.html #euroquis | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest [21:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | KDE e.V. board meeting January 2021 | [bobulate] [21:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [21:16] DaemonFC[m] My guess is the Municipal Liquidity Fund (which only Illinois tapped before it expired last month) was set up so an entire state wouldn't go bust leading into an election. [21:17] techrights-bot #KDE #OSM Indoor Map Demo App https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2021/01/16/kde-osm-indoor-map-demo-app.html #volkerkrause | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest [21:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.volkerkrause.eu | KDE OSM Indoor Map Demo App [21:18] DaemonFC[m] The Governor borrowed $2.5 billion more dollars, which doesn't even cover the projected $4 billion deficit for the state this year. [21:18] DaemonFC[m] This is worse than anyone wants to admit. [21:18] DaemonFC[m] $1.9 trillion will make little difference, schestowitz [21:18] DaemonFC[m] Remember that's spread out over an entire country where the economy is basically ruined at this point. [21:19] DaemonFC[m] $2 trillion was barely enough for the Great Recession and Obama even said it turned out to be not enough. [21:19] DaemonFC[m] $2 trillion in 2009 only replaced about 35% of lost GDP that year, iirc. [21:20] DaemonFC[m] And deficit spending causes problems to crop up elsewhere. Inflation, creditors being alarmed, etc. [21:20] techrights-bot #FreeBSD October-December 2020 Status Report http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146554 #BSD #UNIX [21:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD October-December 2020 Status Report | Tux Machines [21:20] DaemonFC[m] It's a ridiculous idea, and of course all of the usual suspects like Robert Rubin are back again to tell us how great it is. [21:21] DaemonFC[m] So much better than taxing Musk, Bezos, Cook, Zuckerberg, and Gates. [21:21] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: How much more can they whip out Robert Rubin and Larry Summers? [21:23] techrights-bot #GhostBSD 21.01.15 Release Notes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146555 #BSD #UNIX [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GhostBSD 21.01.15 Release Notes | Tux Machines [21:25] techrights-bot #KDE : On KDE e.V., #OSM , and #SoK http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146556 #GNU #Linux [21:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: On KDE e.V., OSM, and SoK | Tux Machines [21:29] techrights-bot #PinePower 120W desktop power supply features display, USB PD, QC 3.0 and wireless charging http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146533#comment-27830 overcompilcating simple things to sell gimmicks? [21:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PinePhone Mobian, Librem 14, and More | Tux Machines [21:33] schestowitz [21:18] $1.9 trillion will make little difference, schestowitz [21:33] schestowitz UBI might help, but... [21:33] schestowitz that works for rich states [21:33] schestowitz not state of the rich [21:33] schestowitz as in, controlled by few rich people [21:33] schestowitz in fact, in such states, UBI would not pass [21:34] schestowitz they can drive down wages by increasing job insecurity [21:34] schestowitz Carter was right [21:34] schestowitz decades back [21:34] schestowitz maybe someone like trump or worse will be back in 4 years [21:34] schestowitz as people feel like there's nothing left to lose [21:34] schestowitz so they stick to their clique [21:35] schestowitz and some to their firearms [21:37] schestowitz 3,817 US covid deaths yesterday [21:37] schestowitz might be a similar figure today [21:37] schestowitz 9/11 becoming ol' skool [21:38] techrights-bot Almost 700 people with #covid19 died yesterday or declared dead in #california alone (694). [21:40] techrights-bot More people in the #uk tested positive for #covid19 than got merely the FirstDose(TM) of Viagra Company's #clinicalTrials (which lack actual evidence, >as yet<, to demonstrate efficacy). The virus spreads faster than this unproven false hope (as yet). [21:42] techrights-bot #RasPiOS 2021-01-12 was released last week. #microsoft tried to hijack #raspi Fdn. like it did #olpc but it failed. RasPi spreading #gnu #linux widely. https://www.raspberrypi.org/ [21:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Teach, Learn, and Make with Raspberry Pi [21:43] techrights-bot Better Fujitsu A64FX Support Arrives For #GCC , #LLVM #Clang Compilers - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fujitsu-A64FX-Better-Compiler #Phoronix [21:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Better Fujitsu A64FX Support Arrives For GCC, LLVM Clang Compilers - Phoronix [21:47] techrights-bot Hackability Matters http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146557 "Cron, or its significantly more complicated counterpart systemd" [21:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hackability Matters | Tux Machines [21:56] DaemonFC[m] I'm buying one as soon as I get my FOID card reinstated. [21:56] DaemonFC[m] Of course who knows how bad things will be by the time they bother to do that. [21:56] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Lemonade is letting people modify their renters insurance policies again. [21:58] techrights-bot #Zeroshell 3.9.5 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146558 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest [21:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zeroshell 3.9.5 Released | Tux Machines [21:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [21:59] techrights-bot Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 3.2.4 beta 6 https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-3-2-4-beta-6 #godotengine #deletegithub #microsoft #proprietarySoftware [21:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 3.2.4 beta 6 ● Jan 16 [22:01] techrights-bot #linuxfoundation releases another #microsoft #windows -powered 'newsletter' https://linuxfoundation.org/en/uncategorized/january-2021-linux-foundation-newsletter-bootcamp-sale-solarwinds-orion-new-kubernetes-webassembly-classes-lfx-webinar-series/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/proprietary-iis-and-windows-foundation/ [22:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | January 2021 Linux Foundation Newsletter: Bootcamp Sale, SolarWinds Orion, New Kubernetes & WebAssembly Classes, LFX Webinar Series - Linux Foundation [22:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Newsletter is Microsoft Windows and Proprietary IIS | Techrights [22:02] techrights-bot #Systemd Applet Release - Michael Jansen, Drive By Coding https://michael-jansen.name/blog/20210115-plasma-systemd-applet-bugfix/?utm_source=atom_feed #michaeljansen [22:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-michael-jansen.name | Systemd Applet Release - Michael Jansen, Drive By Coding [22:03] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: lemonade?! [22:04] MinceR Lemon curry?! [22:06] techrights-bot "We now have another fancy and fantastic looking tool called duf to display statistics on free disk space in Unix, Linux, macOS, *BSD" https://www.cyberciti.biz/open-source/command-line-hacks/duf-disk-usage-free-utility-for-linux-bsd-macos-windows/ [22:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cyberciti.biz | duf - Disk Usage/Free Utility for Linux, BSD, macOS & Windows - nixCraft [22:06] schestowitz MinceR: lenoncake, yum! [22:08] MinceR "Cheat Shaquille, Looky, she eats! Yo, bun o' llama, Lemon, yum!" [22:09] techrights-bot Games: #Familiarsio , Valve and #GodotEngine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146559 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Familiars.io, Valve and Godot | Tux Machines [22:10] schestowitz MinceR: wah duh? [22:11] MinceR lemon curry is from monty python, but the latter line is from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYbZb7yVYI [22:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Sticky Night Of Love (subtitled) - YouTube [22:13] techrights-bot #Debian Developers: Christian Kastner, Junichi Uekawa, and Michael Prokop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146560 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Developers: Christian Kastner, Junichi Uekawa, and Michael Prokop | Tux Machines [22:14] schestowitz ic... [22:14] MinceR :) [22:14] schestowitz icc senior [22:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 45 mins: IPFS upstream: [22:30] techrights-bot #ProprietarySoftware and #DigitalRestrictions (DRM) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146561 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest [22:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and Digital Restrictions (DRM) | Tux Machines [22:33] techrights-bot
  • [22:33] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146562 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:42] techrights-bot Software: DUF, #Systemd Applet, and #PDF http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146563 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: DUF, Systemd Applet, and PDF | Tux Machines [22:46] techrights-bot todays leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146564 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest [22:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [22:49] techrights-bot Links 16/1/2021: #LibreOffice 7.1 Release Candidate, #Zeroshell 3.9.5, #FreeBSD Report, and #GhostBSD 21.01.15 http://techrights.org/2021/01/16/freebsd-report/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/16/#latest [22:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 16/1/2021: LibreOffice 7.1 Release Candidate, Zeroshell 3.9.5, FreeBSD Report, and GhostBSD 21.01.15 | Techrights [22:51] *tr_guest|58159 (519aab26@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.81.154.171.38) has joined #techrights [22:52] *tr_guest|58159 has quit (Client Quit) [22:56] techrights-bot #techrights to publish some #fsf secrets soon [22:57] techrights-bot "if the user wants to know who or what is lurking behind the house the user needs to view live streams of surveillance cams on GNU Linux." https://dwaves.de/2021/01/16/gnu-linux-debian-and-others-how-to-view-play-rtsp-surveillance-and-webcam-and-other-cams-streams-with-mplayer/ [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- GNU Linux Debian and others how to view play RTSP (surveillance and webcam and other cams) streams with mplayer | dwaves.de [22:58] techrights-bot #AMD + Older #Intel CPUs To See Much Faster AES-NI XTS Crypto Performance On Linux 5.12 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AES-NI-XTS-Direct-Linux-5.12 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD + Older Intel CPUs To See Much Faster AES-NI XTS Crypto Performance On Linux 5.12 - Phoronix [22:59] techrights-bot #Radeon #Vulkan "RADV" Driver Saw Many Optimizations This Week For Mesa 21.0 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Squeezing-More-RADV-For-Mesa-21 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [22:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Radeon Vulkan "RADV" Driver Saw Many Optimizations This Week For Mesa 21.0 - Phoronix ● Jan 16 [23:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 35 mins: IPFS upstream: [23:15] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/17/511d40e785a9f611.jpg [23:15] techrights-bot `ECS Announces the LIVA Q1A and the LIVA Q1A Plus http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146272#comment-27832 [23:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ECS Liva Q1A is a 2.9 inch mini PC that runs Android or Ubuntu | Tux Machines [23:16] techrights-bot "A browser, as its name implies, is meant for browsing the Web. It is not meant to be used as a text editor" https://www.maketecheasier.com/find-and-replace-text-chrome-firefox/ [23:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Find and Replace Text in Chrome and Firefox - Make Tech Easier [23:18] techrights-bot COVID solution https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/17/511d40e785a9f611.jpg [23:21] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 35 mins: avg(k/sec) 13.26 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 9.30 [23:27] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:27] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@host81-154-171-38.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [23:28] schestowitz I've changed the graph to 2-minute sample points and average over 60 points [23:29] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 13.83 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 9.75 [23:29] schestowitz it seems to have worked OK [23:48] *vallor has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [23:55] *vallor (~Ponzo@pdpc/supporter/monthlygold/vallor) has joined #techrights