●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 ●● ● Mar 16 [00:30] kingoffrance "does that make them the opium smugglers of the masses?" where i come from they like meth :D [00:32] matey /me skips the obvious one about a meth to their madness [00:32] TR News "Dublin is not a great city to ride in but the bike is still faster and cheaper than the bus. Hopefully they continue to expand the program and add more stations further from city centre." gemini://sixohthree.com/log/dublin-bikes.gmi [00:33] matey wait, methodist... damn [00:34] TR News Gopher: "It is with no doubt, that the phlogosphere is shrinking. This time the (ir)regular Bongusta maintenance was a real slaughter. 17 of the 75 aggregated phlogs didn't have any update in the 2021, were obviously abandoned" gopher://i-logout.cz:70/0/phlog/posts/2022-03-13_bongusta_update_march_2022.txt [00:37] kingoffrance lol i'll just say lee did not surprise me... [00:38] schestowitz-TR andrew lee? [00:38] kingoffrance there's some kind of partnership, who knows [00:38] kingoffrance yes [00:38] schestowitz-TR wait, did I miss something? [00:39] kingoffrance no, ignore me, just ranting [00:39] schestowitz-TR irc was busy this past day, so I lack content, must have overlooked something [00:39] schestowitz-TR searched backlog for andrew [00:39] kingoffrance there's some right wing thug mentality in certain circles [00:39] schestowitz-TR freenode not mentioned [00:39] kingoffrance "conservatives" for drugs [00:39] matey thug mentality? [00:40] kingoffrance western civilization is at stake! [00:40] kingoffrance my kingdom IS of this world lol [00:40] schestowitz-TR thugs is slattery to them [00:40] schestowitz-TR thugs are thick [00:40] kingoffrance what did reagan do? [00:40] kingoffrance its not new [00:40] schestowitz-TR the more dangerous are the sleek sleazy ones [00:40] kingoffrance if it fights commies, drugs are cool [00:40] schestowitz-TR who know how to get away with crimes, unlike thugs [00:40] kingoffrance did i catch a democrat? lets run a prostitution ring [00:41] kingoffrance "values" all disappear when there's an election at stake [00:41] matey they were only a convenience [00:41] MinceR they existed? [00:41] matey its like changing desktop wallpaper [00:41] matey desktop wallpaper is a fun one [00:42] matey youd think wallpaper would be on a wall, not on a desk [00:42] matey but on a computer this makes sense now [00:42] matey desktop wallpaper-- why not? [00:43] matey web browser toilet paper [00:43] MinceR :> [00:44] kingoffrance i am not suggesting the other "side" is any different. just when people think they are being 'attacked' anything goes... [00:44] matey emoji /me throws someone out of the queue [00:44] matey "whats all this then?" [00:44] matey "he was attacking me" [00:44] matey "attacking you? he was just standing there" [00:45] matey "well, he was standing in my way" [00:45] matey "i dont follow you, friend" [00:45] matey "its an election year!" [00:46] matey kingoffrance: i think its much worse than that. its not just elections, its any opportunity of significant proportions, regardless of the season [00:47] matey elections do happen to be (some sort of) opportunity of significant proportions [00:48] matey libreplanet for example, isnt an election (as far as i know) [00:48] matey it seems to be THE opportunity for revolutionary (or counterrevolutionary) struggles within the free software world though [00:49] matey 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022 [00:49] matey like if backstabbers moved christmas to a time that worked better with their-- actually isnt libreplanet in december already? [00:50] matey oh no, it is in march! coming up soon [00:56] TR News "A vaccine can take more than 10 years to fully develop" http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/vaccine-development.jpg [00:57] TR News Use neither. Use a real phone, not a spying machine (that can also make calls). https://www.maketecheasier.com/block-number-android-iphone/ [00:57] TR Bot How to Block a Number on Android and iPhone - Make Tech Easier [00:58] TR News "Last night I built EasyOS 3.4.2 and uploaded it ...woke up this morning and decided to test it a bit more before announcing. Aaaargh! ...the Dunfell desktop in a container doesn't work!" https://bkhome.org/news/202203/xephyr-nested-server-missing.html [00:58] TR Bot Xephyr nested server missing ● Mar 16 [01:05] immibis "A vaccine can take more than 10 years to fully develop" yeah, fully. This is tech, we know how useful prototypes can be, and how many hacks pass testing and make it into production and work just fine. Who writes these things? [01:06] matey /me puts more tape on the tcp/ip stack [01:06] matey thanks ive been meaning to get around to that [01:07] matey then again, medical protoypes have had their ups and downs [01:07] matey so has the t key on his keyboard [01:09] matey imagine if you could just replace the little rubber domes every year or two [01:10] matey theyre not even hard to remove or put back [01:14] schestowitz-TR a few faulty keys spoil the whole keyboard [01:14] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:14] *GNUmoon2 has quit (connection closed) [01:14] schestowitz-TR and you are better off buying a new one [01:14] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [01:14] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@964c847ccybdw.irc) has joined #techrights [01:15] schestowitz-TR doing backups and tidying up file systems tonight [01:15] schestowitz-TR turns out thousands were reading the articles about DDG yesterday [01:16] schestowitz-TR we must be doing very heavy damage to DDG [01:16] schestowitz-TR lots of view every day for years [01:16] schestowitz-TR DDG is a Microsoft funnel [01:17] kingoffrance matey, well its the left/right nonsense [01:17] kingoffrance if you arent with me, DESTROY [01:18] kingoffrance *if in my little one dimensional view you are not with me [01:18] matey surely theres a point to fighting if you know what youre doing [01:18] kingoffrance ^ yes, thats a big assumption [01:18] matey though its hard to know what youre doing when everything gets reduced to red team blue team [01:19] matey since the real world is nothing like that [01:19] kingoffrance there used to be a trinity to prevent that is the irony [01:19] schestowitz-TR kingoffrance: it's a binary/dual divide and rule [01:19] schestowitz-TR in India the British did that [01:19] schestowitz-TR Islam and Hundu [01:19] schestowitz-TR in Iraq, shia and sunni [01:19] matey the british were worth defeating though [01:20] schestowitz-TR it helps distract from real occupiers [01:20] schestowitz-TR people are busy trying to classify everyone [01:20] matey but their classification sucks [01:20] schestowitz-TR people tried that against techrights of course [01:20] schestowitz-TR because we focus on the real issue [01:21] schestowitz-TR and they would rather we play with poo [01:21] schestowitz-TR and offend people [01:21] schestowitz-TR not corporations but people [01:21] matey people matter more than corporations? [01:21] schestowitz-TR no, not the point [01:22] matey oh thats not the real issue [01:22] schestowitz-TR I mean, don't frame it like that [01:22] matey whats the real issue? [01:22] schestowitz-TR people have feelings [01:22] matey "not corporations but people" sounded like a good start at least [01:22] schestowitz-TR corporations and money are made-up concepts [01:22] schestowitz-TR so you could in theory eliminate or replace them [01:23] matey except they hold the most power [01:23] matey even though they are made up [01:23] schestowitz-TR their relationship to living beings does matter [01:23] schestowitz-TR or technology and people [01:23] schestowitz-TR like how people get attached to an "instagram account" [01:23] matey and if people want to stand up to corporations and their abuses, then what? [01:23] schestowitz-TR 20 years ago nobody was very attachd to a phone [01:23] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:23] schestowitz-TR at best they add an address book [01:24] schestowitz-TR and a number/sim card [01:24] schestowitz-TR which you could recover or reclaim at the barrier [01:24] schestowitz-TR in case of device loss [01:24] matey 40 years ago you were only attached to a phone until you hung up [01:24] schestowitz-TR or if you hung yourelf [01:24] schestowitz-TR unles the police came [01:24] schestowitz-TR or a relative [01:24] matey hanging up seems less drastic [01:24] *birkoff has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [01:25] matey but again, if people want to stand up to corporations and their abuses, then what? [01:25] schestowitz-TR well, dark humour [01:25] matey sure, no problem [01:25] schestowitz-TR btw, iirc ian murdoch used the vacuum cleaner's cord for hanging [01:25] schestowitz-TR and had no shirt on [01:25] schestowitz-TR if the account I saw was correct [01:25] matey i thought ian murdock was one of the good guys [01:25] schestowitz-TR *urdock [01:25] schestowitz-TR ouch [01:26] schestowitz-TR force of habit [01:26] matey yeah the aussie [01:26] schestowitz-TR maybe he will outlive kissinger [01:26] schestowitz-TR 15 years more? [01:26] kingoffrance i hope i dont sound too negative, just seems so many things were already encountered centuries ago and forgotten and things have to repeat [01:26] matey we can race him against github [01:26] schestowitz-TR github won't last 15 years [01:26] matey kingoffrance: the early 1900s especially [01:27] schestowitz-TR 15 is a long time [01:27] schestowitz-TR and the arctic vault will be some old joke [01:27] schestowitz-TR like hitler's bunker [01:27] *rowbee has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) [01:27] matey with you on the arctic vault [01:27] matey thats a marketing gimmick [01:27] kingoffrance i thought he wanted to go there lol [01:27] schestowitz-TR not just that [01:27] kingoffrance i read too many weird things lol [01:27] schestowitz-TR tecgright explained it at the time [01:27] schestowitz-TR it was a PR stunt to distract from ICE [01:27] matey at least you read, kingoffrance [01:28] schestowitz-TR lots of shithub workers, inc. managers, were fleeing in droves [01:28] *rowbee (~augh@joseon-6n0.an1.6o3glj.IP) has joined #techrights [01:28] schestowitz-TR so they had to change the news cycle [01:28] schestowitz-TR like "meta" did with "metaverse" [01:28] *AdmFubar has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:28] matey or fsf did with new executive director [01:28] schestowitz-TR that stoped haugen or whateever her name wa [01:28] schestowitz-TR *stopped [01:28] schestowitz-TR cut off the rage cycle [01:28] matey i mean they had to announce it [01:28] matey but right when people were like "why no rms" [01:29] schestowitz-TR fsf distracted from nothing at the time [01:29] schestowitz-TR unless it was us saying something about no RMS talk [01:29] schestowitz-TR later in the same day came the announcement [01:29] matey libreplanet does seem to be the point where everyone (on either side) hates the fsf that much more [01:29] schestowitz-TR I cannot prove it, but something is amiss for LF/IRC [01:29] schestowitz-TR and IRS [01:30] schestowitz-TR and when it's brought up LF flings the whole pipeline at a wall [01:30] matey it would be news if something at lf was NOT amiss [01:30] schestowitz-TR so I think it's a thorn on their side [01:30] schestowitz-TR can someone contact LF to ask? [01:30] schestowitz-TR I cannot, obviously... [01:30] schestowitz-TR I am on their naughty list [01:30] schestowitz-TR ask them why no IRS filing for so long [01:30] schestowitz-TR and see what they say [01:30] matey ariadne seems to be on their good side [01:30] schestowitz-TR let's check the let's encrypt filings [01:31] matey not that she seems to be a huge fan [01:31] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [01:31] schestowitz-TR backup complete for images in techrights 2020-2022 [01:31] schestowitz-TR 24,000 files, 3.1gb [01:32] matey "cut off the rage cycle" this is well said [01:33] matey it seems to be a habit of the tech press-- turn even "protest" into a "parade" [01:33] schestowitz-TR those are methods [01:34] schestowitz-TR they hire "crisis management" experts [01:34] schestowitz-TR who build their name based on how they handle crises [01:34] schestowitz-TR and "outcomes" [01:34] schestowitz-TR the EPO hired some [01:34] matey then all that needed is a steady stream of crises [01:34] matey and whoever "manages" those the best gets a free ride to anywhere they want [01:35] matey microsoft can even cause them, and still profit from their own messes. how else do you explain windows [01:35] matey not just windows of course, but for the classic example [01:35] schestowitz-TR weird [01:35] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [01:35] schestowitz-TR I cannot find let's encrypt [01:35] schestowitz-TR don't suppose it was removed [01:35] matey removed from what? [01:35] schestowitz-TR looking into ford foundation now [01:35] schestowitz-TR irs registry [01:36] schestowitz-TR nonprofits [01:36] schestowitz-TR let's encrypt is LF proxy [01:36] schestowitz-TR same address [01:36] schestowitz-TR same accountant [01:36] schestowitz-TR same everything [01:36] Ariadne yes [01:36] schestowitz https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/131684331/201913199349101266/IRS990PF [01:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/131684331/201913199349101266/IRS990PF [01:36] TR Bot Nonprofit Explorer - FORD FOUNDATION - Form 990PF - ProPublica [01:36] *birkoff (birkoff@joseon-2mn.d28.de28dt.IP) has joined #techrights [01:36] matey we need you to go undercover at linux foundation [01:36] MinceR :> [01:36] schestowitz " [01:36] Ariadne not there anymore [01:36] schestowitz internet Security Research Group [01:36] schestowitz 1 Letterman Drive [01:36] schestowitz Suite D4700 [01:36] schestowitz San Francisco,CA94129NONEPCCore support for the Lets Encrypt initiative to distribute free digital certificates to improve internet security for all internet users150,000 [01:37] schestowitz " [01:37] schestowitz Ford [01:37] MinceR Our Ford? [01:37] schestowitz-TR Ford the Nazu dude [01:37] schestowitz-TR sympathsieer of The Adolf [01:37] schestowitz-TR not the cheeto one [01:37] matey he would have loved ibm [01:37] *AdmFubar has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:37] schestowitz-TR now they rebrand Ford as tech |"philathropist" [01:37] Ariadne idk what the obsession with LE is tho, generally speaking more democratic access to the x509 system seems desirable [01:38] schestowitz-TR he also gave money to Reproducuble Builds [01:38] schestowitz-TR lots of things [01:38] matey ariadne, its this or apple m1 [01:38] schestowitz-TR Ariadne: better than what was before [01:38] schestowitz-TR because it used to cost a lot [01:39] Ariadne anyway LF is not a charity [01:39] Ariadne they are 501c6 [01:39] schestowitz-TR yes [01:39] schestowitz-TR tax exempt [01:39] matey apple foundation [01:39] matey we promote linux with apple [01:39] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/463344200_201812_990_2019110116809348.pdf [01:40] schestowitz-TR I just need their ID # [01:40] Ariadne i mean i must say its pretty amusing that zemlin talks about the year of the linux desktop while using macs [01:41] matey it is hilarious [01:41] matey but thats why he says "desktop" when hes not using a desktop [01:41] matey these qualifiers are important you know [01:41] matey the financial report was made on a laptop, we never said it was the year of the linux laptop [01:42] schestowitz https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=463344200&name=Internet%20Security%20Research%20Group&city=San%20Francisco&state=CA&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=CHARITIES,%20DETERMINATIONLETTERS,%20COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=CHARITIES&orgTags=DETERMINATIONLETTERS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS [01:42] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=463344200&name=Internet%20Security%20Research%20Group&city=San%20Francisco&state=CA&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=CHARITIES,%20DETERMINATIONLETTERS,%20COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=CHARITIES&orgTags=DETERMINATIONLETTERS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS ) [01:42] schestowitz last form was 2019 [01:42] schestowitz more recent than LF [01:42] schestowitz LF is 1018 [01:42] schestowitz LF is 2018 [01:42] schestowitz and then nothing [01:42] schestowitz "Page Last Reviewed or Updated: 20-November-2020" [01:42] schestowitz maybe IRS returned it them for revisions/correction, but that cannot take too long [01:43] Ariadne this kde maui stuff looks nice. cant wait to try it on my honeycomb [01:43] matey maybe they increased their stealth by moving to scunthorpe [01:43] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@a3z5da5ehtbki.irc) has joined #techrights [01:43] schestowitz Stephanie Eigle handles these forms for LE [01:44] schestowitz Ariadne: de Icazs was accused of stealing the name [01:44] schestowitz maui was made by mexians of nitruxOS [01:44] schestowitz and then came miguel making "MAUI" [01:44] schestowitz some .NET thing [01:44] Ariadne yes i know [01:44] schestowitz nitrux was fuming [01:44] matey "you have the following coc violations: a locale with inappropriate or sexualised language" [01:44] Ariadne hince why i clarified which one i was talking about [01:44] schestowitz and then Microsoft GItHub suspended people who complained [01:45] schestowitz because Microsoft GitHub totally doesn't censor Microsoft critics :D [01:45] Ariadne techrights censors mjg59 [01:45] Ariadne what is your point [01:45] schestowitz jjust to be clear about LE [01:45] matey thats was lifted, no? [01:45] schestowitz the only reason I checked was,t [01:45] schestowitz to see if they have more recent forms than LF [01:45] schestowitz beause LF acts a little weird when the subject is brought up [01:46] mjg59_ matey: No, Roy refuses to publish articles I write [01:46] Ariadne admittedly i am curious about the LE financials [01:46] mjg59_ matey: Despite accepting articles from other guest writers [01:46] matey his editorial policy is unclear [01:46] matey he alludes to it being based on trust [01:46] Ariadne because LE is such a critical infrastructure at this point [01:46] mjg59_ Debian no longer trusts Pocock, so stopped publishing him on Planet Debian [01:46] matey the real fun would be creating a clear editorial policy that wasnt a code fo conduct [01:46] matey i believe its possible, but also unlikely. [01:46] mjg59_ Censorship or reasonable editorial decision? [01:47] matey hey im guessing, just like you [01:47] schestowitz-TR abtterinternet.org [01:47] schestowitz-TR is the official site [01:47] mjg59_ And then when people ask Roy about it he changes topic [01:47] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:47] Ariadne to me LF seems like a black box [01:47] schestowitz-TR submitted end of 2020 [01:47] matey my problem with codes of conduct isnt what they try to achieve, only the application of zero tolerance policies in practice [01:47] schestowitz-TR 15 months ago [01:48] matey they had things before codes of conduct that were "similar" that i rarely complained about [01:48] matey it isnt the words "code of conduct" that bother me. [01:48] schestowitz-TR josh aas is there [01:48] schestowitz-TR also in LF [01:48] Ariadne they pay FOSS developers to do things their corporate donors want, but the whole money trail is very deal-oriented [01:48] matey its the zero tolerance policies (even when couched in mitigating langauge that seems to have no application in practice) [01:48] schestowitz-TR did lisbeth leave? [01:48] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [01:49] Ariadne thats just bad community management [01:49] matey And then when people ask Roy about it he changes topic <- moving on... [01:49] matey im of mixed feelings about this of course [01:50] matey on the one hand, if i were in roys shoes and you asked me something i would probably be just as evasive [01:50] mjg59_ Anyway, it's unsurprising that multiple non-profits would use the same accountant [01:50] matey but the real question is, does anyone else get a better or clearer answer? thats where we differ [01:50] Ariadne the LF funding Alpines security team was a good thing imo [01:50] mjg59_ Or have overlap in people filling a specific role [01:50] matey but they no longer fund alpine? [01:51] Ariadne it was a one year grant to bootstrap the security team [01:51] schestowitz https://linuxfoundation.org/people/ [01:51] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/people/ [01:51] TR Bot Leadership - Linux Foundation [01:51] schestowitz Wigle [01:51] matey thats that then [01:51] Ariadne Stephanie is alright [01:51] schestowitz Maybe they changed the CFO around that trime [01:51] schestowitz will compare some achives pages [01:51] schestowitz that might help explain the IRS status [01:51] MinceR mjg59_ can't afford to host his own blog? [01:52] matey im sure thats not the point [01:52] MinceR then what is the point? [01:52] schestowitz https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=LINUX%20FOUNDATION&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS [01:52] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=LINUX%20FOUNDATION&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS ) [01:52] mjg59_ MinceR: Can afford to, don't want to [01:52] *AdmFubar has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:53] mjg59_ Running my own mail is bad enough [01:53] MinceR i'm sure there still are sites that will host a blog, gratis [01:53] matey i dont think thats the real point either-- his i mean [01:53] matey this is about access to an audience, just like its beside the point if roy can host his own microblog when twitter censors [01:53] Ariadne because pocock uses the right keywords he was able to convince roy to give him a platform on techrights to harass FOSS contributors [01:53] matey and its not even about guaranteed access [01:54] Ariadne that i believe is the point :) [01:54] matey that may be the point, even though im not sure what it has to do with mjg59_s question [01:54] MinceR does Roy have an obligation to host anyone's blog posts if they ask for it? [01:54] mjg59_ No [01:55] matey definitely not [01:55] matey but thats not what anyone was asking [01:55] mjg59_ Does Twitter have an obligation to host anyone's tweets if they ask for it? [01:55] MinceR then i still don't get the point [01:55] MinceR no, they don't [01:55] MinceR and they won't [01:55] schestowitz maybe liesbeth retired [01:55] matey the goal here is to understand his policy [01:55] schestowitz she was not young [01:55] MinceR and nobody should rely on twitter anyway [01:55] schestowitz looking at older forms [01:55] matey for me its academic and out of curiosity [01:55] matey i imagine it is for mjg59_ as well [01:55] mjg59_ So the question is why does Roy think Twitter is bad when they make editorial decisions, but it's fine for him to? [01:56] schestowitz lisbeth mcnabb [01:56] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [01:56] schestowitz in 2018 forms [01:56] schestowitz then stephanie replaced her [01:56] matey /me personally would have settled for understanding what the local policy is really [01:56] schestowitz and afaik no irs filing available since [01:56] matey even if its not a written one [01:57] kingoffrance https://onthinktanks.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Twitter-Manual-for-Governments.pdf its just another PPP [01:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: onthinktanks.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://onthinktanks.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Twitter-Manual-for-Governments.pdf [01:57] matey even the written ones are subject to change without notice, so... [01:57] MinceR are they the same editorial decisions? [01:57] kingoffrance where does twitter end and the "gov" begin? they are in bed [01:57] schestowitz she took home about 400,000 dollars in salary each year [01:57] schestowitz ~5 years ago [01:57] schestowitz no tax [01:57] matey theyre not "written" in the sense of the constitution of the united states, or even a contract with nokia [01:57] schestowitz in US you have millions of millionaires [01:57] matey which is a deliberately and amusingly bad example [01:57] schestowitz and tens of millions on FOOD STAMPA [01:57] MinceR are both sites marketed as a place where anyone can post? [01:57] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 47.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 29.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.58 [01:57] schestowitz some "success story" [01:57] schestowitz "what do you do?" [01:58] matey thats the same question you asked before [01:58] schestowitz "I fill up some IRS forms for a company that pretends to be about Linux' [01:58] kingoffrance its ppptown Evelyn Mulwray: She's my daughter. [Gittes slaps Evelyn] Jake Gittes: I said I want the truth! Evelyn Mulwray: She's my sister... [slap] Evelyn Mulwray: She's my daughter... [slap] Evelyn Mulwray: My sister, my daughter. [More slaps] Jake Gittes: I said I want the truth! Evelyn Mulwray: She's my sister AND my daughter! [01:58] schestowitz (on Vista 7) [01:58] mjg59_ MinceR: Roy justified publishing Pocock on the basis that he was writing about free software, which at the time suggested that the policy was that anyone could publish if they wrote about free software [01:58] *AdmFubar has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:58] MinceR was the policy really that? [01:58] matey obviously not [01:58] MinceR implied suggestions aren't much to go on [01:58] mjg59_ No, since Roy then refused to let me publish something [01:59] schestowitz OK, did not find smoking gun. Fact #1: LE has more recent IRS filing than LF [01:59] matey /me has a morbid curiosity what mjg wanted to publish of course [01:59] matey my curiosity isnt limited to one side of this [01:59] schestowitz The CFO has changed around the same time ● Mar 16 [02:00] schestowitz any lurker or people reading the log, ask https://linuxfoundation.org/about/contact/ why https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=LINUX%20FOUNDATION&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS is stale since 2018/19 [02:00] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/about/contact/ [02:00] TR Bot Contact Us - Linux Foundation [02:00] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=LINUX%20FOUNDATION&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS ) [02:00] matey i think i know why [02:00] matey its 3 years, not 2 years [02:00] matey is the period you have to wait for updates [02:00] schestowitz look atr eff [02:00] matey but i could be wrong [02:01] schestowitz mozilla [02:01] schestowitz fsf [02:01] schestowitz they have more recent years [02:01] matey but how often? [02:01] schestowitz only LF is years behind like that [02:01] matey every 2? [02:01] schestowitz no, every year [02:01] schestowitz but there is a time delay [02:01] matey hmm [02:01] matey i wonder how the delay works [02:01] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/03/13/linux-foundation-irs-filings/ [02:01] TR Bot Its Almost Spring 2022 and Linux Foundations Latest Available IRS Filing is From 2018, Over 90% of the Budget Goes to US | Techrights [02:01] schestowitz They're not about Linux [02:01] matey maybe its like windows (android) updates where you can put them off, just not for good [02:01] mjg59_ FSF only has one more recent year than the LF [02:02] schestowitz on Tuesday they paaid for press release pushing their diploma mill [02:02] schestowitz they lost a lot of income on "LF Events" [02:02] schestowitz due to COVID [02:02] schestowitz they almost monopolised the events [02:02] schestowitz and managed to shut down the competition in that space [02:02] schestowitz so that all the major events are controlled by malicious corporationa [02:02] matey fosdem isnt competition? or fosdem is lf? [02:03] schestowitz which cannot be criticised [02:03] schestowitz matey: fosdem survived [02:03] matey okay [02:03] schestowitz maybe LF has plans for Brussels branch, too? [02:03] schestowitz linuxtag you don't hear much about anymore [02:03] matey is that related to lf? [02:04] matey maybe they just failed to have a compelling event [02:05] TR News Linux Foundation stopped having its IRS filings published by the IRS around the same time a long-serving CFO left. Meanwhile, other offshoots did release IRS papers. Not sure what's going on, but it merits a polite inquiry. http://techrights.org/2022/03/13/linux-foundation-irs-filings/ [02:06] schestowitz-TR linustag took microsoft money [02:06] schestowitz-TR but the story about some events in the US is, [02:06] schestowitz-TR LF offered to take over [02:06] schestowitz-TR and shut down the originals [02:06] matey they must not have taken enough, lf takes m$ money too [02:06] schestowitz-TR very few were left other than scale and a few locos [02:06] matey both take m$ money and one survives [02:07] mjg59_ LPC was launched because OLS was incompetently run [02:08] TR News One of the few Red Hat managers who stayed at ICBM https://www.eweek.com/cloud/red-hat-ceo-paul-cormier-open-source-drives-the-cloud/ [02:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: eweek.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.eweek.com/cloud/red-hat-ceo-paul-cormier-open-source-drives-the-cloud/ [02:08] mjg59_ LF assist with LPC logistics, but don't run it [02:08] TR Bot Hat CEO Paul Cormier: Open Source Drives the Cloud and Edge | eWEEK [02:08] mjg59_ OLS is the only major american event I can think of that vanished (and it was Canadian) [02:10] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [02:10] matey from the allknowing wikioracle: "LinuxTag was launched in 1996 by a handful of active members of the Unix Working Group (Unix-AG) at the University of Kaiserslautern.[2] They wanted to inform the public about the young technology of Linux and Open Source software. " [02:10] matey which incredibly was a term not coined until 2 years later. [02:10] mjg59_ Oh, I guess OSCon is gone, but that wasn't really a Linux event [02:11] mjg59_ And, frankly, no great loss [02:11] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162600 [02:11] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [02:11] matey i miss the name [02:12] matey it baffles me when organisers abbreviate it "con" instead of "conf" [02:12] schestowitz-TR sfc says conf [02:12] schestowitz-TR cat .conf [02:12] matey they should definitely say con [02:12] schestowitz-TR sponsor: Microsoft [02:13] schestowitz-TR sponsor: Gulag [02:13] schestowitz-TR sponsor: Salesforce [02:13] schestowitz-TR matey: it's a COIN [02:13] schestowitz-TR CON [02:13] schestowitz-TR we made this joke before [02:13] matey its right in the name [02:13] schestowitz-TR GPL keynotes from anti-GPL companie [02:13] schestowitz-TR GPL keynotes from anti-GPL companie [02:13] schestowitz-TR turns out this is profitable [02:13] matey if sfc anti-gpl? [02:14] schestowitz-TR Deb N raised the money [02:14] mjg59_ No [02:14] schestowitz-TR and got a short stint at OSI after that [02:14] mjg59_ SFC is the only organisation making meaningful attempts to enforce the GPL [02:14] schestowitz-TR using the OSI's name to attack the Free software community [02:14] matey so i watched the talk kuhn gave that rms interrupted [02:14] matey and while i can appreciate the likelihood that the CONTEXT of it is was anti-gpl [02:14] matey the talk itself REALLY did not seem to be. [02:15] matey if rms was upset by something that was actually being said, it was on a level that the audience was far from privy to [02:15] mjg59_ Like, SFC is right now engaging in a new strategy that, if successful, would allow anyone in California to enforce the GPL even if they're not an author [02:15] schestowitz-TR he is not anti-GPL [02:15] mjg59_ This is not the behaviour of an organisation that is attempting to undermine the GPL [02:15] matey Like, SFC is right now engaging in a new strategy that, if successful, would allow anyone in California to enforce the GPL even if they're not an author <- this seems like a double edged sword [02:16] matey on the one hand, it means an end to cla, which is awesome [02:16] matey and on the cost side, it could mean something even worse [02:16] mjg59_ matey: Really? The problem we have at the moment is that a lot of major contributors to GPLed projects are against enforcement because it's not good for their employer [02:16] mjg59_ So it's hard to take any meaningful action [02:16] matey i think we agree on the problem [02:17] matey on the other side is misgivings (perhaps unrealistic ones) about the solution [02:17] mjg59_ In an ideal world the corporations would be in favour of enforcement, but that's clearly not going to happen [02:17] matey right, im not a utopian [02:17] matey so waiting for corporations to do the right thing isnt in my playbook [02:17] mjg59_ The only practical way to skew the balance is to give more power to the users [02:17] matey but at a price? [02:18] mjg59_ Rather than granting enforcement rights purely to the copyright holders [02:18] matey right now the problem is, unless youre a large copyright holder (ibm, canonical, the fsf) [02:18] mjg59_ The GPL is pretty worthless unless it's enforced [02:18] matey you cant defend the gpl [02:18] matey eright [02:18] matey we are on the same page regarding the problem [02:18] matey suppose it gets fixed [02:18] matey now, instead of not being able to defend your work against gpl violations [02:19] mjg59_ If a consequence of this change was that companies stopped contributing to GPLed projects, then that's effectively just the status quo [02:19] matey maybe now only large companies can defend their USE of gpl against alleged violations [02:19] matey in other words, youre a first time small time dev [02:19] Ariadne in other news shitter has added reply downvote feature [02:19] matey you go up against the new beefed up gpl legal regime [02:19] matey you get blown out of the sky, so to speak [02:20] matey if this is an unrealistic concern, great [02:20] *birkoff has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [02:20] matey in the past, it wasnt a concern at all, because the only people interested in enforcing gpl were on the side of only enforcing if they HAD to [02:20] matey if sfc wins that goes out the window (For better or worse, but why just assume better) [02:20] mjg59_ matey: I'd be worried about it if corporations started doing it to squash competition, but they'd end up in the same boat - even Google, who have a whole team of people to do GPL compliance, repeatedly fuck up meeting the letter of it [02:21] matey id like to avoid a future where the next apple vs samsung is over the gpl. [02:21] mjg59_ The approach the SFC is taking wouldn't establish that customers are entitled to damages [02:21] Ariadne its ok apple and samsung have largely banned GPL inside their orgs [02:21] mjg59_ The only thing that could come out of a case is a requirement to come into compliance [02:21] matey they might pick it back up if they could weaponise it, everybody wins [02:22] matey its possible im being cynical. i think even that is better than being too optimistic. [02:22] mjg59_ So someone tries this suit on you, you come into compliance, it goes away [02:22] matey im happy for things to actually get better, i wont complain if they do. [02:22] matey So someone tries this suit on you, you come into compliance, it goes away <- that exactly what SHOULD happen [02:22] matey so what is this doing in california? [02:22] mjg59_ Courts tend not to favour people who jump straight to suits without trying to solve the problem otherwise [02:22] TR News Links 16/3/2022: Norbert Preining Interviewed, Go 1.18 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/go-1-18-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/15/go-1-18-released/ [02:22] TR Bot Links 16/3/2022: Norbert Preining Interviewed, Go 1.18 Released | Techrights [02:22] Ariadne i think its better from a business perspective to just release patches to the community in good faith [02:22] matey Courts tend not to favour people who jump straight to suits without trying to solve the problem otherwise <- lawyers do [02:23] Ariadne and thats how my businesses have historically operated [02:23] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162602 [02:23] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [02:23] Ariadne turns out if you do the right thing indiscriminately then nobody has anything to complain about [02:23] matey im not convinced the gpl is better in practice. im sure its better in theory, and it might be better in practice. [02:23] Ariadne its a complicated topic [02:23] matey it absolutely is [02:23] Ariadne gplv3 authors had lofty and worthwhile ambitions [02:24] matey agpl3 too [02:24] matey but google didnt like [02:24] Ariadne yes [02:24] mjg59_ matey: https://sfconservancy.org/press/qanda.html covers it [02:24] TR Bot Press - Software Freedom Conservancy [02:24] matey :/ [02:24] matey noted [02:24] Ariadne but in practice, gplv3 failed to capture key ecosystem participants [02:25] matey linus at the very least [02:25] matey in before roy: due to lobbying [02:25] Ariadne so, due to that, its a mess and apache wound up taking over [02:25] Ariadne linus and fsf have different philosophies on copyleft [02:25] matey how did apache take over? [02:25] matey yeah linus found something he liked and used it (i mean the license) [02:25] Ariadne apache 2 is a good license and more palatable to corporate interests [02:25] matey and the fsf uses it for what they created it for [02:26] matey if i thought i could repel corporate interests just by slapping gpl on there, i would consider it a plus [02:26] Ariadne agpl is a problem because of monorepos [02:27] matey monorepos? [02:27] Ariadne google hates it because they have a giant monorepo with all of their stuff in it [02:27] matey oh yeah [02:27] matey and agpl doesnt work well with that [02:27] Ariadne and they think introducing agpl to the monorepo opens a pandoras box [02:27] matey which it probably doesnt, but one cant be too careful [02:27] MinceR one could organize their code the way a sane person would [02:28] matey "dont be insane" [02:28] MinceR but that's probably too much to ask of megacorporations [02:28] Ariadne well theres advantages to having a monorepo [02:28] matey especially non-evil ones [02:28] Ariadne mostly automated QA [02:28] Ariadne with a monorepo there is one QA pipeline to maintain verses one per repo [02:29] matey i would think google was more than capable of transcending the file system (and with it, the repo) in any way they pleased [02:29] matey after connecting all their servers together i would expect them to take one look at git and say "hmm, quaint" [02:29] Ariadne lawyers have a different worldview [02:29] matey dont they always [02:30] matey we should have never invented them [02:30] Ariadne even at $dayjob we have a monorepo for internal services [02:30] MinceR we should have never allowed sociopaths to get away from being confined and treated, to isntead rule us all [02:30] MinceR s/isn/ins/ [02:31] *birkoff (birkoff@joseon-2mn.d28.de28dt.IP) has joined #techrights [02:31] Ariadne though we use separate repos for actual public facing projects [02:32] matey unfortunately sociopaths can be quite wily, even captive ones [02:32] MinceR indeed [02:33] matey the public is insufficiently equipped to deal with them, so it falls (of course) to other bodies that are themselves run (oops) by sociopaths [02:34] matey we should have equipped the public maybe. i can think of few instances where "its for their own good" applies more strongly [02:35] kingoffrance need x to overcome x ...we are back to alchemy/isis again :D [02:35] matey hey i was not saying we need sociopaths to overcome sociopaths [02:35] kingoffrance i know :D [02:35] matey okay good [02:35] kingoffrance but thats the cliche [02:36] matey who will bastard the bastards? 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HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-150322.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-150322.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-150322.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-150322.txt [02:40] TR Bot IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 [02:40] matey darwin: "i cant even" [02:41] MinceR "send a lunatic to catch a lunatic" [02:41] matey actually darwin was sold on it initially [02:41] matey but he was highly sceptical [02:41] matey "ok when i said that was divine, this is just really fucked" [02:42] TR News Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-03-15.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-03-15.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:46] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1841295 [02:46] TR Bot Researcher uses Dirty Pipe exploit to fully root a Pixel 6 Pro and Samsung S22 | Ars Technica [02:46] AdmFubar NBC's new show... To Catch a Lunatic [02:47] MinceR oh, i misquoted [02:47] MinceR it's "send a maniac to catch a maniac" [02:47] matey yours is better [02:48] matey Researcher uses Dirty Pipe exploit <- the real reason codes of conduct were invented (theyre pretty secret about it) is to prevent exploit names from getting MUCH worse [02:48] matey they knew we were on the edge of the abyss and they stepped in just in time [02:49] matey thankfully we will never have a printer subsystem exploit called "2 girls, 1 cups" [02:49] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2RYz5EG8ss [02:49] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_2RYz5EG8ss [02:49] TR Bot yewtu.be | Demolition Man - Send a maniac to catch a maniac - Invidious [02:49] *reptoidz (~reptoidz@3bqgtimdtkf6e.irc) has joined #techrights [02:49] *birkoff (birkoff@joseon-adfd07.pp8t.eshf.59jtia.IP) has joined #techrights [02:50] reptoidz rrrrrrrrrreptoidz [02:51] MinceR pikachu! [02:51] reptoidz hey how is everyone? [02:51] MinceR used to be better [02:52] reptoidz fair enough [02:52] kingoffrance 280 days matey, always look at gestation periods for animals :D [02:52] kingoffrance same as human [02:52] matey thats just creepy [02:53] kingoffrance yeah :D when you dont have modern science, im sure it made sense [02:53] kingoffrance they saw some kind of connection whatever it was [02:53] matey "mama had a chicken, mama had a cow, dad was proud, he didnt care how" [02:53] matey kingoffrance: you had to be there [02:53] reptoidz ewww [02:53] matey its from a cartoon, its an actual theme song [02:54] reptoidz dad was cuckolded [02:54] reptoidz by a chicken and cow [02:54] matey could be a shapeshifter [02:54] MinceR cow and chicken [02:54] reptoidz hmmm [02:54] *reptoidz is a shapeshifter [02:54] reptoidz i must have had a lot of alcohol [02:55] matey cow and reptoidz [02:55] reptoidz gotta stay out of THAT bar [02:55] matey dirty cow and chicken (getting back to exploit names) [02:55] reptoidz weird too, im a chick [02:56] *reptoidz can hear her keyboard 1KM away [02:56] matey mechanical? [02:56] reptoidz yes... blue switches too [02:57] matey i want replacement domes for my piece of shit keyboard [02:57] matey its not that old, but they dont stay optimal [02:57] reptoidz my kb is reddragon [02:57] matey nice [02:57] reptoidz twas cheap and mechanical [02:57] matey fits with the whole reptilian theme [02:58] reptoidz lol [02:58] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.05 k/sec., IPFS upstream 77.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.60 [02:58] matey also the top choice of keyboard among cannibals, presumably [02:59] MinceR :> [02:59] matey fine young keyboardists ● Mar 16 [03:00] reptoidz i can do 70 WPM without effort [03:00] reptoidz prolly cuz im on my puter 24/7 [03:00] matey so i can i, the keys make it a bit wonky though [03:00] matey and my fingers are a bit dyslexic. dystypographic. dystypian. [03:00] reptoidz if it was a lame membrane kb, i'd probably do 50-60 wpm [03:01] matey send a typist to catch a typist [03:02] *reptoidz loves demolition man [03:02] matey why? [03:02] reptoidz its such a great movie [03:02] reptoidz send a maniac to catch a maniac [03:03] matey they usually do [03:03] matey in movies they use more effects of course [03:03] reptoidz demolition man has a lot of great one-liners [03:04] matey /me is more of a bruce willis fan [03:04] MinceR indeed [03:04] matey but stallone is ok [03:04] reptoidz bruce willis is cool but sylvester stalone is HOT [03:04] matey sorry bruce [03:05] reptoidz i'd totally shapeshift into anything stalone wanted [03:05] matey this is unusual, even for #techrights [03:05] reptoidz im probably the first girl here [03:05] matey definitely not [03:06] reptoidz ok fair enough [03:06] reptoidz im probably the hot first girl here [03:06] reptoidz im probably the first hot girl here [03:07] matey this chats been around since 2008 [03:07] reptoidz matey: you haven't [03:07] matey oh ive been around since 2008 [03:07] matey not here [03:08] reptoidz i was gonna say i dont remember you [03:08] matey you remember [h]omer? [03:09] reptoidz vaguely [03:09] matey okay [03:09] reptoidz that was you? [03:09] matey no [03:11] reptoidz lol then why even ask [03:11] matey i was curious how far back you go [03:11] reptoidz i was around in 2010-2011 [03:11] matey cool [03:12] matey what brings you back [03:12] reptoidz prurigro told me freenode was taken over [03:12] matey its definitely not the same now [03:13] reptoidz i wanted to chat with linux people [03:13] reptoidz ive been bored a lot [03:13] *reptoidz runs fedora and gnome on 4th gen intel laptop [03:15] matey its easier than ever to start a website about fedora [03:15] reptoidz touche [03:16] reptoidz you can even do so anonymously [03:16] matey oh yeah [03:16] reptoidz just sign up for protonmail or tutanota over tor [03:16] matey thats not so easy [03:16] reptoidz yeah it is [03:16] matey i tried that with tutanota specifically [03:17] matey if its easy, i didnt notice [03:17] reptoidz oh they probably noticed tor [03:17] reptoidz hack your neighbor and use their wifi to sign up [03:17] matey you might be able to check tutanota with tor, good luck signing up [03:18] matey hack your neighbor and use their wifi to sign up <- i mean, im sure theres a library that works [03:18] reptoidz Bell Canada uses an 8 character hex password as default for wifi, easy to hack [03:18] reptoidz my gpu can do that in a day [03:19] reptoidz the library works but my library requires a login using your library card number and password [03:19] matey they should just go all out and make the default 12345 [03:19] reptoidz easy enough to figure out who did it [03:19] matey people will learn [03:19] matey some people [03:20] reptoidz i use a vps i bought with bitcoin [03:20] matey any good? [03:20] reptoidz yeah its a bit laggy cuz its germany but w/e [03:21] matey the bits in germany are always on time [03:22] IPFS Gemini requests since start of month: 277353 total Total number of pages in capsule: 39732 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 months 6 days ago [03:22] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@hngiv8sdpiaf2.irc) has joined #techrights [03:23] IPFS IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 98 GB TotalOut: 53 GB [03:24] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:33] reptoidz well im in Canada, so germany is a little laggy [03:34] matey makes sense [03:35] IPFS QmeRSCJyWXDqQ2MMcGza1eugPxCGbNZcUDe857baH1LHKx [03:35] IPFS New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above. [03:35] AdmFubar https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/google-cloud-layoffs-protest [03:35] TR Bot Cloud workers found out about layoffs from media - Protocol [03:35] matey i thought having your job in the cloud meant you couldnt get laid off [03:37] *reptoidz hears capitalism laugh [03:40] AdmFubar 'cept they have their heads in the cloud [03:40] AdmFubar or elswhere... ;) [03:41] matey multicloud is next [03:41] matey thats the cloud in the multiverse [03:41] AdmFubar sounds patchy to me [03:41] matey or the cloudverse [03:41] kingoffrance that ...sounds totally like that will happen [03:42] matey its VPPP [03:43] AdmFubar those multiverse clouds will probably contain NFT's [03:43] kingoffrance whatever sarcastic merger you can think of..........someone's probably working on it [03:43] matey you should check your nft with md5sum to make sure you downloaded it correctly [03:43] reptoidz if its the multiverse, that'll require a lot of compute units [03:43] matey whatever sarcastic merger you can think of..........someone's probably working on it Rule of Aquisition #34 [03:45] matey kingoffrance: i have an nft-related idea thats going to help me take over they entire tech industry [03:45] matey but since this is irc i think i can tell you [03:45] matey so the idea is just like nfts right? [03:45] *reptoidz is on the edge of her seat [03:45] matey but nfts are so limited [03:46] matey i mean theyre tied to (usually small) digital assets [03:46] matey what i want to do is combine something like dns, tradmark and nft together [03:46] matey so that entire companies have an nft [03:46] matey like why have an nft for some emoji or game asset [03:47] matey when you can have an nft for oracle or virgin entertainment? [03:47] matey or amazon! [03:48] matey im going to call them "business identity tokens" or "BITs" [03:48] matey and of course the first thing im going to acquire with them is bitcoin, so they will go together perfectly [03:50] matey originally i was going to call them "bridge identity tokens" because they "bridge" the financial world with the blockchain (obviously) [03:51] matey but then some people i work with said "you might not want to say 'i have a bridge to sell you'" [03:51] AdmFubar BIT' they're the SHITs! [03:51] matey theyre the experts [03:52] AdmFubar https://www.rawstory.com/freedom-convoy-2656961286/ [03:52] Alternative link Cloudflare: rawstory.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rawstory.com/freedom-convoy-2656961286/ [03:52] TR Bot 'Freedom Convoy' truckers thought Bitcoin was safe but their funds have been frozen anyway - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism [03:52] reptoidz lol freedumb convoy [03:54] *gde33 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [03:55] *gde35 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) [03:55] MinceR 16 044114 < matey> thats the cloud in the multiverse [03:55] MinceR that's great [03:55] MinceR we could have a multiverse in that! [03:55] matey inceptiverse! [03:56] matey /me is going to own half of the oracle in the inceptiverse [03:56] matey and 1/3 of apple [03:56] reptoidz lol [03:57] matey that way whenever someone buys EITHER an iphone OR an nft of an iphone, my nfti rating goes up [03:57] matey thats the nft index, its sort of like the stock market but for nfts [03:57] matey in the multicloud [03:57] MinceR we could sell NFTs of NFTs [03:58] kingoffrance https://www.wired.com/story/tech-companies-banks/ [03:58] TR Bot Tech Company Wants to Be a BankSomeday, At Least | WIRED [03:58] matey why not? they do that with shares all the time [03:58] reptoidz what about NFTs about NFTs of NFTs [03:58] MinceR those too [03:58] matey nfts are really just like shares, except digital [03:58] MinceR and so on [03:58] matey and cryptographic [03:58] matey and very cool sounding [03:59] matey i got the idea while i was selling qr codes [03:59] matey but those are so 2005 [03:59] *kingoffrance .oO( watches matey's sarcasm get repelled by magic MBA armour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5KrJ9uIJFQ that's probably what they want to do ) [03:59] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=x5KrJ9uIJFQ [03:59] TR Bot yewtu.be | Final Fantasy VI Advance - The invincible Guardian - Invidious [03:59] reptoidz my vaccine passport has a QR code, not so 2005 ● Mar 16 [04:00] matey eh, they rebadged it [04:00] matey kingoffrance: im actually trying to find the mba "brown note" [04:00] kingoffrance lol [04:00] matey its like the original brown note but only works in the business sector [04:00] reptoidz you know, im the Queen of France... [04:01] MinceR :) [04:01] MinceR for a republic, france has an awful lot of monarchs [04:01] reptoidz I AM THE QUEEN OF FRANCE [04:01] *reptoidz 's limbs start flailing around [04:02] matey the brown note is a fourier transfer derived from high-frequency trading, and if you used it at the nyse you could paralyse the economy for at least a day or two [04:02] matey /me goes to talk to the nice men in sunglasses at the door [04:02] matey brb [04:02] reptoidz https://youtu.be/W7JyjZI3LUM [04:02] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=W7JyjZI3LUM [04:02] TR Bot yewtu.be | REJECTED by DON HERTZFELDT (Blu-ray restoration) - Invidious [04:03] matey i though you were the lizard queen [04:03] MinceR also, it would have been nice to know _how_ the authorities managed to seize/freeze those funds [04:03] reptoidz matey: didn't you know? [04:03] MinceR this is the most interesting part of the story and it's the one the article just skips [04:03] reptoidz matey: ALL leaders in the world are reptilian shapeshifters [04:04] matey oh yeah, i did read that once [04:04] reptoidz so im still the lizard queen [04:04] reptoidz of france [04:04] matey it explains why the mice problem i had in the old place went away [04:05] matey also, it would have been nice to know _how_ the authorities managed to seize/freeze those funds <- they always leave out the best part so you have to buy the book [04:05] matey scientology does it too [04:05] MinceR reminds me of Lizardking [04:05] reptoidz authorities simply have to infiltrate those groups, easy enough [04:06] reptoidz i was listening to the freedumb convoy's "Zello" chat [04:06] reptoidz it was amusing [04:07] reptoidz just when you thought conspiracy theoriests couldn't be dumber, just listen to their zello voice chat [04:07] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 63.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.62 [04:07] reptoidz twitch.tv/markeast had the zello chat and live video feeds of the protest [04:09] matey /me is investing big in punkchain too [04:10] matey punkchain is different because its not allowed to get "trendy" [04:10] matey basically as soon as it has a certain number of people adopt it, the whole thing crashes and breaks a bunch of your shit [04:10] matey but its totally cool, so there are a bunch of investors [04:11] matey and it just crashed, theyre all fucked now [04:11] matey but thats fucking cool [04:12] kingoffrance tomorrow you're homeless, tonight it's a blast! [04:12] matey that was the story of punkchain. it was pretty cool to be there [04:13] matey before it went all mainstream [04:13] reptoidz i got a chain that says gold digger [04:18] matey what really messed up punkchain at the end was a bunch of fake people who instead of getting the point and getting all their investments fucked by it, they were really just blowing money as a status symbol to say "look, i can blow all this money and still be solvent" [04:18] matey but that completely misses the point of it-- which is everyone is fucked sooner or later [04:19] matey fortunately it crashed like a week later [04:20] DaemonFC https://apnews.com/article/covid-business-health-ted-wheeler-poverty-edb884d8bf98e45b16372c1c8b7182e7 [04:20] TR Bot Liberal US cities change course, now clearing homeless camps | AP News [04:20] DaemonFC San Francisco Mayor London Breed declared a state of emergency in December in the crime-heavy Tenderloin neighborhood, which has been ground zero for drug dealing, overdose deaths and homelessness. She said its time to get aggressive and less tolerant of all the bull- that has destroyed our city. [04:20] matey what we really wanted to do was take all our savings and set them on fire. but we wanted to do it in a comment on modern society using cryptographic hash routines and the blockchain [04:20] DaemonFC mjg59_ likes it there. People "get it". [04:20] DaemonFC Bludgeoned over the head by police batons for rough sleeping. [04:22] matey rule #1, its never punk when the cops do it [04:22] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:24] matey rule #2, there are no rules. cops still suck though [04:27] reptoidz ACAB [04:28] matey exactly [04:30] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [04:31] *reptoidz listens to "Fuck the Police" [04:38] *matey has quit (connection closed) [04:46] *prurigro (~prurigro@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #techrights [04:48] prurigro schestowitz: hey! just wanted to let you know that I'm getting an SSL "potential security risk" error when I try to hit the https version of the site [04:49] reptoidz hey prurigro [04:49] prurigro ahoy [04:50] *reptoidz is now known as chicksahoy [04:50] chicksahoy w00000t [04:52] chicksahoy this was my name in world of warcraft [04:52] MinceR were you playing a cookie with chicks embedded in it? [04:53] chicksahoy it was a cookie based name [04:54] MinceR also, hi prurigro [04:55] prurigro hey! noticed the site was borked and finally got the motivation to register for the new server haha [04:55] prurigro how goes? [04:55] MinceR well, it has gone better before [04:56] chicksahoy i had a friend named oreomatic [04:57] chicksahoy so when he asked me to play wow with him, i made a death knight named chicksahoy ● Mar 16 [05:01] MinceR i see [05:09] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 62.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.63 [05:10] chicksahoy MinceR: exactly [05:14] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:21] mjg59_ prurigro: That's expected, the certificate is self-signed [05:21] prurigro wait, really? the link from ddg is the https one-- I feel like that's going to drive a lot of people away from the site? [05:21] prurigro is there an issue using letsencrypt? [05:24] mjg59_ prurigro: The claim is roughly that the entire CA ecosystem is a corporate seizure of the commons, and LetsEncrypt is a Linux Foundation backed proxy to solidify this control [05:25] prurigro fair enough haha, though having gone with cacert and whatnot in the past, I don't feel like letsencrypt has solidified much aside from the fact that https is actually used these days. Why not just skip the https stuff aside from the wp admin console in the case? 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Anywhere.) [06:34] *koo5_ (~quassel@51.140.155.227) has joined #techrights [06:51] *matey (~matey@km3w6imixyp52.irc) has joined #techrights [06:52] matey free chicken nuggets would have been a way better policy than invading ukraine. does putin have a twitter account? we could hashtag this. [06:55] *matey has quit (connection closed) [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 37.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 55.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.69 [06:59] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Mar 16 [07:12] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [07:12] *activelow (~activelow@fici29dumxqp6.irc) has joined #techrights [07:39] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, March 15, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [07:39] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [07:39] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [07:39] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [07:41] TR News Microsoft Azure layoffs. Gulag Clown: also layoffs. Clown computing is just a bubble, subsidised at losses. [07:50] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@rkzsfadyuhenn.irc) has joined #techrights [07:51] TR News No, no, no. Kids should NOT have these surveillance devices. Heck, even adults ought not have these. https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-cell-phones-for-kids/ [07:51] TR Bot 6 Best Kids Cell Phone Options in 2022 - Make Tech Easier [07:53] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:54] TR News "I can't believe that in the Twenty First Goddamned Century, some lunatic Playstation hacker went and implemented an ftp server" https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/03/playing-old-ps3-games/ [07:54] TR Bot jwz: Playing old PS3 games [07:55] TR News "All it takes is installing Kali Linux version 2022.1 or newer with btrfs as the file system and to enable snapshotting after installation and you will get: [...]" https://www.kali.org/blog/unkaputtbar/ [07:55] TR Bot Kali Unkaputtbar | Kali Linux Blog [07:55] Alternative link Cloudflare: kali.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.kali.org/blog/unkaputtbar/ [07:56] TR News "Following a request-for-testing thread on tech@, Stefan Sperling (stsp@) has committed some IEEE 802.11ac support to iwx(4): [...]" https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220315070043 [07:56] TR Bot iwx(4) gains 11ac 80MHz channel support [07:57] TR News "Heres to another 22 years Emacs!" https://arjenwiersma.nl/writeups/emacs/22-years-of-emacs/ [07:57] TR Bot 22 years of Emacs [07:58] TR News "Matts point of view is that the world is better off when the web is open and fun, and Automattic builds and acquires products that help that goal along." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/15/22977857/wordpress-tumblr-simplenote-internet-automattic-matt-mullenweg-interview [07:58] TR Bot How WordPress and Tumblr are keeping the internet weird - The Verge [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 60.91 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.71 [07:59] TR News "But most people, particularly beginners, wont use the Raspberry Pi to whip up crazy creations." https://www.pcworld.com/article/420028/10-practical-raspberry-pi-projects-anybody-can-do.html [07:59] TR Bot practical things to do with a Raspberry Pi | PCWorld ● Mar 16 [08:00] TR News "EuroBSDCon is the European technical conference for users and developers of BSD-based systems." https://2022.eurobsdcon.org/the-call-for-talk-and-presentation-proposals-for-eurobsdcon-2022-is-now-open/ [08:00] TR Bot Call for Proposals EuroBSDCon [08:00] TR News "Its not old code thats technical debt, its lightly-designed code. That thing that seemed like the solution when you first thought of it." https://www.sicpers.info/2022/03/when-to-address-technical-debt/ [08:00] TR Bot When to address technical debt? | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programmers [08:03] TR News "Four hundred drones were suspended over the city during the South by Southwest festival to form a giant, hovering QR code?" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/halo-sxsw-drones-1235110882/ [08:03] Alternative link Cloudflare: hollywoodreporter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/halo-sxsw-drones-1235110882/ [08:03] TR Bot Alien Drone Swarm Freaks Out Austin with Giant Hovering QR Code The Hollywood Reporter [08:03] TR News IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/irc-proceedings-tuesday-march-15-2022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/irc-proceedings-tuesday-march-15-2022/ [08:03] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 | Techrights [08:06] TR News Intel will need actual demand to sell its crappy chips. I think they exaggerate their importance at this stage. https://itwire.com/business-it-news/hardware-and-storage/resellers/intel-to-invest-%e2%82%ac80b-in-eu-in-bid-to-catch-up-with-rivals.html [08:06] Alternative link Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/hardware-and-storage/resellers/intel-to-invest-%e2%82%ac80b-in-eu-in-bid-to-catch-up-with-rivals.html [08:06] TR Bot - Intel to invest 80b in EU in bid to catch up with rivals [08:06] TR News With hardware sales decreasing... new excuses. https://www.computerworld.com/article/3653589/arm-to-cut-up-to-15-of-jobs-following-failed-nvidia-takeover.html [08:06] TR Bot to cut up to 15% of jobs following failed takeover by Nvidia | Computerworld [08:07] TR News Bubble: "Arm embarked on a rapid hiring spree after SoftBank acquired the company for 24bn in 2016, promising to double staff over five years." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/03/14/british-tech-champion-arm-slash-hundreds-jobs/ [08:07] TR Bot British tech champion Arm to slash hundreds of jobs [08:07] TR News About time. DST needs to be abolished. https://www.voanews.com/a/us-senate-approves-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-/6487320.html [08:07] TR Bot US Senate Approves Bill to Make Daylight Saving Time Permanent [08:08] TR News "The bill has bipartisan backing including several Republican and Democratic cosponsors" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/15/politics/senate-daylight-saving-time-permanent/index.html [08:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/15/politics/senate-daylight-saving-time-permanent/index.html [08:08] TR Bot Senate passes bill that would make Daylight Saving Time permanent - CNNPolitics [08:08] TR News "The Senate passed a bill Tuesday that would make daylight saving time permanent across the U.S. beginning in 2023." https://text.npr.org/1086773840 [08:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1086773840 [08:08] TR Bot The Senate approves a bill to make daylight saving time permanent [08:08] TR News "So on Tuesday, with almost no warning and no debate, the Senate unanimously passed legislation to do away with the biannual springing forward" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/15/us/politics/daylight-saving-time-senate.html [08:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/15/us/politics/daylight-saving-time-senate.html [08:08] TR Bot Senate Approves Making Daylight Saving Time Permanent - The New York Times [08:09] TR News There is NO such thing as "FREE" video hosting https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/15/22979126/vimeo-patreon-creators-price-increase [08:09] TR Bot Vimeo is telling creators to suddenly pay thousands of dollars or leave the platform - The Verge [08:11] TR News "Spain will become an important link for [espionage Zuckerberg] in Europe as its two subsea cables connecting the region with the Americas and Africa" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/meta-to-hire-2000-staff-for-spanish-hub-for-regional-expansion/90250040 [08:11] TR Bot meta: Meta to hire 2,000 staff for Spanish hub for regional expansion, CIO News, ET CIO [08:12] TR News Internet breaking https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/russia-nearly-isolated-online-mean-internets-future-rcna19389 see http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/ [08:12] TR Bot Russia is nearly isolated online. What does that mean for the internets future? [08:12] TR Bot The Internet is Breaking and We Need Contingencies | Techrights [08:12] TR News US war on Russia might have an unpexcted casualty: the US dollar https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/598257-saudi-arabia-considers-accepting-yuan-instead-of-dollar-for-oil [08:12] TR Bot Arabia reportedly considering accepting yuan instead of dollar for oil sales | TheHill [08:14] *inky_ (~inky@178.78.143.183) has joined #techrights [08:15] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [08:18] TR News Not on Russia crucified journalists. UK/US do the same https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60743322 https://www.reuters.com/world/wikileaks-assange-denied-permission-appeal-extradite-decision-supreme-court-2022-03-14/ https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2022/03/14/Supreme-Court-Assange-extradition-appeal/8741647285845/ [08:18] Alternative link Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60743322 [08:18] TR Bot Assange denied permission to appeal against extradition - BBC News [08:18] TR Bot Assange denied permission to appeal extradition decision at UK Supreme Court | Reuters [08:18] TR Bot Supreme Court won't hear Julian Assange extradition appeal - UPI.com [08:18] TR News "the application does not raise an arguable point of law." https://www.axios.com/uk-court-julian-assange-extradition-47cea5d0-a68f-4909-bf44-dd11f518b16f.html [08:18] Alternative link Cloudflare: axios.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.axios.com/uk-court-julian-assange-extradition-47cea5d0-a68f-4909-bf44-dd11f518b16f.html [08:18] TR Bot U.K. Supreme Court denies Assange permission to appeal extradition [08:19] TR News More kangaroos: "Under the next steps in the legal process, the case will now be remitted to Westminster Magistrates' Court in London" https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/assange-set-to-make-submissions-to-uk-minister-after-losing-supreme-court-appeal/ [08:19] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/assange-set-to-make-submissions-to-uk-minister-after-losing-supreme-court-appeal ) [08:19] TR News "Britains highest court has rejected an appeal from Julian Assange, who is seeking to block his extradition to the United States." https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/15/headlines/uk_supreme_court_wont_halt_extradition_of_julian_assange_to_us [08:19] TR Bot U.K. Supreme Court Wont Halt Extradition of Julian Assange to U.S. | Democracy Now! [08:19] TR News UK imitates China https://fee.org/articles/uk-considering-legislation-that-would-imprison-internet-trolls/ [08:19] Alternative link Cloudflare: fee.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fee.org/articles/uk-considering-legislation-that-would-imprison-internet-trolls/ [08:19] TR Bot UK's Online Safety Bill Would Imprison Internet Trolls and Erode Free Speech - Foundation for Economic Education [08:20] TR News "Online Safety Bill returns to Parliament amid chorus of criticism even from Tories" https://tittlepress.com/trending/1633405/ [08:20] Alternative link Cloudflare: tittlepress.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tittlepress.com/trending/1633405/ [08:20] TR Bot Safety Bill returns to Parliament amid chorus of criticism even from Tories - TittlePress [08:23] TR News Misinformation comes not just from Russia https://today.rtl.lu/news/fact-check/a/1880124.html [08:23] TR Bot RTL Today - Fact Check: This is not a genuine listing for 'a Russian tank on eBay' [08:24] TR News "The Committee will hear from witnesses representing a range of industry sectors including: IT, telecommunications, education, health care, logistics" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/public-hearing-into-second-tranche-of-cyber-laws.html [08:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/public-hearing-into-second-tranche-of-cyber-laws.html [08:24] TR Bot - Public hearing into second tranche of cyber laws [08:25] TR News "The DRCF has a vital role to play in delivering on this vision through its work to create a more coherent regulatory ecosystem." https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/letter-from-dcms-secretary-of-state-to-the-digital-regulation-cooperation-forum/letter-from-dcms-secretary-of-state-to-the-digital-regulation-cooperation-forum-html [08:25] TR Bot from DCMS Secretary of State to the Digital Regulation Cooperation Forum - HTML - GOV.UK [08:29] TR News Just this morning on our way to school, our four-year-old son asked me when daddy will come home. Julians life is being treated as if it were expendable." https://dontextraditeassange.com/post/stella-moris-statement-on-uk-supreme-courts-refusal-to-hear-assange-appeal/ [08:29] TR Bot Stella Moris statement on UK Supreme Court's refusal to hear Assange Appeal - Don't Extradite Assange [08:29] TR News "With Julian still, for no rational reason, held in maximum security, the legal process around his extradition continues to meander its way through the overgrown bridlepaths of the UKs legal system." https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/03/assange-extradition-on-to-the-next-hurdle/ [08:29] Alternative link Cloudflare: craigmurray.org.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/03/assange-extradition-on-to-the-next-hurdle/ [08:29] TR Bot Assange Extradition: On To The Next Hurdle - Craig Murray [08:30] TR News Baraitser is a mole https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/rotten-rulings-julian-assange-and-the-uk-supreme-court/ [08:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/rotten-rulings-julian-assange-and-the-uk-supreme-court/ [08:30] TR Bot Rulings: Julian Assange and the UK Supreme Court - CounterPunch.org [08:30] TR News "Julian was just doing his job, which was to publish the truth about wrongdoing." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/assanges-fiancee-releases-heartbreaking-response-uk-court-ruling [08:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/assanges-fiancee-releases-heartbreaking-response-uk-court-ruling [08:30] TR Bot Assange's Fiance Releases 'Heartbreaking' Response to UK Court Ruling [08:32] TR News Whether Julian is extradited or not, which is the same as saying whether he lives or dies" https://shadowproof.com/2022/03/15/uk-supreme-court-slams-door-assange-extradition-appeal/ [08:32] TR Bot UK Supreme Court Slams Door On Assange Appeal [08:37] TR News Patents kill million amid pandemic, all in the name of profits https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/appalling-deal-ip-waiver-reportedly-limited-covid-vaccines [08:37] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/appalling-deal-ip-waiver-reportedly-limited-covid-vaccines [08:37] TR Bot 'Appalling': Deal on IP Waiver Reportedly Limited to Covid Vaccines [08:42] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@y73dbcj7dvbju.irc) has joined #techrights [08:52] kingoffrance quote immibis "There are 4 possible outcomes to the housing market: (1) market crash, (2) hyperinflation, (3) return to feudalism, (4) communist revolution" i should emphasize, there was supposed to be a "jubilee" every 50 years. not that i buy any "global reset" nonsense, but thats another thing to thank the "churches" for. not that i even advocate that...just these things are not new. "love your government with all your heart, and all your [08:52] kingoffrance soul" -- djt [08:53] kingoffrance anyhow, that wont be part of "saving western civilization". all the image, none of the actuality [08:54] kingoffrance (paraphrase) "almost all the positions are false" [08:54] kingoffrance one of those "who needs satire" moments lol [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 65.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.73 ● Mar 16 [09:14] kingoffrance i imagine whatever was supposed to prevent those scenarios was systematically dismantled [09:16] *techrights_guest|67 (~47a338bb@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [09:20] TR News Starbucks an enemy of people https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/nlrb-complaint-accuses-starbucks-retaliating-against-union-leaders [09:20] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/nlrb-complaint-accuses-starbucks-retaliating-against-union-leaders [09:20] TR Bot NLRB Complaint Accuses Starbucks of Retaliating Against Union Leaders [09:21] TR News Not putting criminals in prison but those who expose those criminals https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/100-groups-urge-biden-pardon-human-rights-lawyer-steven-donziger [09:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/100-groups-urge-biden-pardon-human-rights-lawyer-steven-donziger [09:21] TR Bot 100+ Groups Urge Biden to Pardon Human Rights Lawyer Steven Donziger [09:22] TR News "As of 2016, almost 2,000 people a day were allowed through TSA checkpoints at US airports either without showing any ID at all" https://papersplease.org/wp/2022/03/15/how-many-people-fly-without-real-id/ http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ [09:22] TR Bot How many people fly without REAL-ID? Papers, Please! [09:22] TR Bot Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights [09:23] TR News "The Patent and Market Court of Appeal has overturned the prison sentences of three men who were criminally prosecuted for their involvement with IPTV service ATN." https://torrentfreak.com/court-overturns-pirate-iptv-prison-sentences-due-to-unenforceable-copyrights-220315/ [09:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/court-overturns-pirate-iptv-prison-sentences-due-to-unenforceable-copyrights-220315/ [09:23] TR Bot Overturns Pirate IPTV Prison Sentences Due to Unenforceable Copyrights * TorrentFreak [09:24] TR News "coalition of major Hollywood studios and Netflix" (Netflix is with the cartel) https://torrentfreak.com/primewire-removes-pirate-movies-tv-shows-to-frustrate-court-injunctions-220315/ [09:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/primewire-removes-pirate-movies-tv-shows-to-frustrate-court-injunctions-220315/ [09:24] TR Bot Removes Pirate Movies & TV Shows To Frustrate Court Injunctions * TorrentFreak [09:25] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [09:29] TR News Zuckerberg profits from this https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/business-as-usual-facebook-russia-and-hate-speech/ [09:29] Alternative link Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/business-as-usual-facebook-russia-and-hate-speech/ [09:29] TR Bot as Usual: Facebook, Russia and Hate Speech - CounterPunch.org [09:30] TR News "ICE wants data and doesnt care how it gets it. Its recently-elevated pursuit of all things not considered naturally American has increased its demands for information" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/sen-ron-wyden-catches-ice-illegally-collecting-americans-financial-data/ [09:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/sen-ron-wyden-catches-ice-illegally-collecting-americans-financial-data/ [09:30] TR Bot Ron Wyden Catches ICE Illegally Collecting Americans Financial Data | Techdirt [09:32] TR News ApocaPi Now Is A Cyberdeck For What Comes After https://hackaday.com/2022/03/15/apocapi-now-is-a-cyberdeck-for-what-comes-after/ [09:32] TR Bot Now Is A Cyberdeck For What Comes After | Hackaday [09:33] TR News "Are you a math aficionado in need of a new desk toy? Then do we have the project for you. With nothing more than an Arduino and a seven-segment LED module" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/15/simple-arduino-build-lets-you-keep-an-eye-on-pi/ [09:33] TR Bot Arduino Build Lets You Keep An Eye On Pi | Hackaday [09:41] TR News Lumen is breaking the Net to help Empire https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/telecom-giant-lumen-punishes-putin-by-encouraging-his-plan-for-a-censored-splinternet/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/ [09:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/telecom-giant-lumen-punishes-putin-by-encouraging-his-plan-for-a-censored-splinternet/ [09:41] TR Bot Giant Lumen Punishes Putin By Encouraging His Plan For A Censored Splinternet | Techdirt [09:41] TR Bot The Internet is Breaking and We Need Contingencies | Techrights [09:42] TR News UK human rights under attack by Vladimir Borisnaro https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/uks-online-safety-bill-to-criminalize-dick-pics-and-hold-social-media-companies-liable-for-any-that-are-sent/ [09:42] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/uks-online-safety-bill-to-criminalize-dick-pics-and-hold-social-media-companies-liable-for-any-that-are-sent/ [09:42] TR Bot Online Safety Bill To Criminalize Dick Pics And Hold Social Media Companies Liable For Any That Are Sent | Techdirt [09:44] TR News "And, what am I doing instead of school? Nothing, really. I wish I was working on cool projects and stuff as I used to; but no, I'm not. No more meaningful projects since mid-2019." gemini://avalos.me/gemlog/2021-06-12-doing-terrible-in-school.gmi [09:46] TR News Gulag uses Mozills: "antitrust-shield (a.k.a. firefox) killed classic extensions" gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-01-10.gmi [09:50] TR News Internet censorship https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/preeminent-constitutional-legal-scholar-files-embarrassingly-confused-amicus-brief-in-favor-of-texas-ability-to-tell-websites-how-to-moderate/ [09:50] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/preeminent-constitutional-legal-scholar-files-embarrassingly-confused-amicus-brief-in-favor-of-texas-ability-to-tell-websites-how-to-moderate/ [09:50] TR Bot Constitutional Legal Scholar Files Embarrassingly Confused Amicus Brief In Favor Of Texas Ability To Tell Websites How To Moderate | Techdirt [09:51] TR News Why does techdirt say "IP"? https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/new-york-times-begins-the-wordle-ip-purge-gets-wordle-archive-taken-down/ [09:51] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/new-york-times-begins-the-wordle-ip-purge-gets-wordle-archive-taken-down/ [09:51] TR Bot York Times Begins The Wordle IP Purge, Gets Wordle Archive Taken Down | Techdirt [09:55] *matey (~matey@2y5vxdeq3hmn2.irc) has joined #techrights [09:56] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: siren) [09:56] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@kh78hi5due368.irc) has joined #techrights [09:57] DaemonFC THere's a Linux 5.16 kernel in Debian backports now. [09:57] DaemonFC I noticed they started the freeze for Debian 12 already, even though it won't be out for more than a year. [09:57] DaemonFC That's.....highly unusual amond distributions. ● Mar 16 [10:00] matey is it lts? [10:00] DaemonFC All Debian releases are basically LTS. [10:00] matey i used to agree [10:00] XRevan86 kingoffrance: Putin's polittechnologists absolutely monitor the social networks, both for censorship and to check what opinions fly. [10:00] DaemonFC Officially, they're supported for at least 5 years, but I understand they usually go on for some time after that. [10:00] matey for clarification, see mincer [10:00] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 65.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.73 [10:00] IPFS 277.76 [10:00] matey i mean for what its worth, what youre saying is exactly what i used to like about them [10:01] DaemonFC There used to be EOL support for Fedora... [10:01] DaemonFC Until there got to be WAY too many Fedora releases to do that for at once. [10:01] matey no one has supported fedoras eol like ibm [10:01] kingoffrance XRevan86, i believe it, and "the west" too . somewhere in the scroll back that was suggested :D [10:01] matey or worked harder to bring it about [10:01] kingoffrance that twitter thing is not surprising, just a link...but that's how they sell it to governments [10:01] DaemonFC Fedora Legacy was supporting Red Hat Linux 9 through like Fedora 4 by the time they announced they were going to stop. [10:02] kingoffrance it states the intention/goals anyway. supposed to be a "revival" of town square type thing [10:02] kingoffrance that politicians could not talk to citizens without it [10:02] matey funny how fedora had a concept of actual support [10:02] kingoffrance same way they always answer the phone, and your letters, and emails... [10:02] matey and it interfered with red hats deformed concept of support [10:02] kingoffrance twitter they will magically answer your tweets lol [10:03] DaemonFC So did Microsoft at one point. [10:03] kingoffrance *politicians and gov employees [10:03] DaemonFC They had a 1-800 number you could call and get support for Windows. Even if it was OEM. [10:04] DaemonFC Then they changed it to "Only retail editions." which almost nobody buys. [10:04] DaemonFC Retail SKUs are uncommon because most people building their own PC either don't want Windows or just go some place with suspiciously cheap OEM licenses, or pirate it. [10:05] matey or just go some place with suspiciously cheap OEM licenses <- like crazy phils oem license and bait shop [10:06] matey closed on wednesdays [10:11] TR News "Until some late night wandering down the alleys I had never heard of gemini (avoids the glaring stares), but the regulars are a friendly bunch." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/835 [10:13] *gde35 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [10:15] *gde33 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [10:15] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:20] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [10:21] TR News Greg Guice To Testify Before House Energy & Commerce Committee on 5G - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/greg-guice-to-testify-before-house-energy-commerce-committee-on-5g/ [10:21] TR Bot Greg Guice To Testify Before House Energy & Commerce Committee on 5G - Public Knowledge [10:21] TR News IFF Explains: Bharat Financial Inclusion Limited Loan 'glitch'; https://internetfreedom.in/bfil-consent-scam/ [10:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/bfil-consent-scam/ [10:21] TR Bot IFF Explains: Bharat Financial Inclusion Limited Loan 'glitch' [10:29] TR News "Removed infodump regarding Down's syndrome health problems." gemini://avalos.me/gemlog/2021-04-16-you-know-what-i-support-rms.gmi [10:33] *matey has quit (connection closed) [10:33] DaemonFC or just go some place with suspiciously cheap OEM licenses <- like crazy phils oem license and bait shop [10:34] DaemonFC Criminals who clone credit cards buy OEM licenses in bulk. [10:34] DaemonFC Then they sell them to these stores and you get them for $20 or so. [10:34] DaemonFC Then when Microsoft gets the chargeback, they invalidate the license and Windows Activation reverts to "not activated" and you never see those two sawbucks again. [10:37] *gde33 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [10:38] *gde35 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [10:49] *gde35 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [10:49] *gde33 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:53] DaemonFC MinceR, I always remind people of the New Orleans Police Department when they tell me the cops are the good guys. [10:53] DaemonFC I say, "Yeah, like Katrina where instead of restoring order, the police went around robbing and shooting, and looting. [10:54] DaemonFC They had the police disarming people who had not committed a crime. [10:54] DaemonFC There was no "martial law" order at any point during the disaster. [10:54] DaemonFC Most of those people were carrying guns (legally) because the police weren't protecting them from anything. [10:56] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [10:57] TR News Paid-for SPAM/garbage. Linux Foundation polluting "Linux" sites with its diploma mill stuff, which lowers the change they'll ever speak out against it. https://news.itsfoss.com/cloud-native-developer-bootcamp-launch/ [10:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: itsfoss.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.itsfoss.com/cloud-native-developer-bootcamp-launch/ [10:57] TR Bot Linux Foundation Launches New Bootcamp to Create More Cloud Native Developers - It's FOSS News [10:57] *inky_ (~inky@5.77.254.89) has joined #techrights [10:59] DaemonFC MinceR, My favorite Katrina video was the police showing up and looting Walmart. [10:59] DaemonFC One of those black lady cops starts grabbing shoes and stuff. [10:59] DaemonFC Just walks right off with all of it. ● Mar 16 [11:00] DaemonFC Threatens the guy for recording them, of course. [11:00] schestowitz-TR nothing to do with techrights [11:01] schestowitz-TR quit doing this... [11:01] DaemonFC This was a long time before the cops started playing music to get YouTube to take down the video. [11:01] DaemonFC It's probably still out there. [11:02] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [11:02] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJfB8EKWoA [11:02] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7MJfB8EKWoA [11:02] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@6byxczt6txq2u.irc) has joined #techrights [11:02] TR Bot yewtu.be | Hurricane Katrina Police looting Walmart MSNBC - Invidious [11:03] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162603 [11:03] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [11:03] DaemonFC The police in Round Lake Beach and Gurnee didn't do anything in 2020. [11:03] DaemonFC They picked the Walmarts clean. [11:04] DaemonFC The cops in Waukegan surprisingly actually showed up and kept the looters out of the store completely. [11:05] DaemonFC I was worried they'd destroy the store and that my spouse would be sent home without pay until someone could clean it all up. [11:05] TR News "Apache Camel is known as the Swiss knife of integration, and you probably grasped by now that Camel goes even further than that. It offers a wide variety of different runtimes that help propagate a solid foundation for integrations." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/16/choose-best-camel-your-integration-ride-part-3 [11:05] TR Bot Choose the best camel for your integration ride, Part 3 | Red Hat Developer [11:05] DaemonFC The people who suffer are always the honest people who aren't doing anything wrong. [11:06] TR News ICBM on neglecting the human element? https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-human-mistakes-avoid [11:06] TR Bot Digital transformation: 5 'human' mistakes to avoid | The Enterprisers Project [11:07] TR News Maybe the problem is not "skills shortage" but a hype issue. Maybe Kubernetes is being overused and promoted for support contracts by ICBM. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/address-kubernetes-skills-shortage [11:07] TR Bot IT talent: 4 ways to address a Kubernetes skills shortage | The Enterprisers Project [11:08] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: sttfu and get back on topic [11:08] schestowitz-TR quite interjecting racism [11:08] schestowitz-TR *quit [11:09] SomeH4x0r topic? [11:09] schestowitz-TR yes, there is a topic [11:09] schestowitz-TR #techrights [11:09] schestowitz-TR not #IHateBlacks [11:09] TR News "curl-minimal would disable lesser used protocols and features. The discussion around exactly which parts it should disable is ongoing. The proposal was at least initially shut down by the Fedora Steering Committee" https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/16/fedora-and-curl-minimal/ [11:09] Alternative link Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/16/fedora-and-curl-minimal/ [11:09] TR Bot and curl-minimal | daniel.haxx.se [11:09] DaemonFC They already have several perfectly good failed states down south. [11:10] DaemonFC I don't know why people have to come fuck up the midwest. We don't need any help with that. [11:10] DaemonFC 80% of HIV/AIDS deaths in America today happen in 5 states. [11:11] TR News "But what happens when you install more than one version of Java on your system? In that case, you'll have to take on the extra responsibility of understanding where each version's JAVA_HOME is located." This week ICBM Red Hat outsourced its site to Amazon. https://opensource.com/article/22/3/find-java-home [11:11] TR Bot to find your Java Home when running multiple versions | Opensource.com [11:11] DaemonFC There's a lot of proxies for "I don't want to live THERE because..." that I look at closely. [11:11] DaemonFC Mom was like, "Oh, let's move to Mississippi, they're cheap." I was like, "Let me list why you don't want to do that.". [11:12] TR News This is not a problem with Linux, but to distract from massive Microsoft breaches they'd latch onto anything at this stage... https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/03/16/attackers-using-default-credentials/ [11:12] TR Bot Attackers using default credentials to target businesses, Raspberry Pi and Linux top targets - Help Net Security [11:12] DaemonFC activelow mentioned the lingering effects of Communism on the area of the former East Germany. [11:13] DaemonFC Parts of the United States had the same phenomenon, kind of. They never recovered economically from the Civil War. [11:13] *matey (~matey@eev6hfwssh84e.irc) has joined #techrights [11:13] DaemonFC Despite a ton of welfare and subsidies, they never recovered. [11:14] matey Then when Microsoft gets the chargeback, they invalidate the license and Windows Activation reverts to "not activated" and you never see those two sawbucks again. <- ive been scammed before, it sucks [11:14] matey nothing on par with windows itself in terms of a scam, but still [11:14] DaemonFC Maybe I should write an article on the failure of transfer payments to stimulate a bad economy. [11:14] DaemonFC Send it to RMS. [11:14] SomeH4x0r hi matey [11:14] matey hi SomeH4x0r [11:14] SomeH4x0r matey: it does not revert [11:14] TR News The Dutch are implementing Stalin's Dream https://blogs.fsfe.org/nico.rikken/2022/03/16/dutch-digital-identity-system-crisis/ governments that mandate "mobile" like that are not worth having. Zero legitimacy. [11:14] SomeH4x0r however, you won't be able to reactivate [11:14] TR Bot Dutch digital identity system crisis nico.rikkens blog [11:14] matey windows? [11:15] SomeH4x0r yes [11:15] DaemonFC Sometimes Microsoft will give you a free license if you rat out the people who sold it to you like that. [11:15] matey oh im not bothered, i havent used it in more than a decade [11:15] matey except for a few minutes here and there when borrowing a machine or two [11:15] DaemonFC They are very interested in PC builders who use activation exploits. [11:15] DaemonFC And they will find out. [11:15] matey like liam neeson [11:16] DaemonFC Liam Neeson is one of the best actors ever. [11:16] DaemonFC He even gets bad movies and makes them tolerable to sit through. [11:16] matey hes not bad [11:16] matey he couldnt save "tree of life" [11:16] matey im not sure he was in it, but it wouldnt make any difference [11:17] DaemonFC He's like what Captain Picard (Patrick Stewart) is to Star Trek: TNG. [11:17] matey i would say tng wasnt that bad [11:17] DaemonFC Most of the episodes are really badly written, but he's a strong lead. [11:17] DaemonFC So it limps by because of him. [11:17] matey i mean im not sure id believe it, but i would say it [11:17] matey but ds9 started and stewart couldnt [11:18] matey until season 2, when everything started getting alright [11:18] matey i mean he was only there for 5 minutes, he probably gave up after that [11:18] matey "ive got to get in a WHEElchaihhh" [11:19] DaemonFC If they had transferred Picard to DS9, that would have made DS9 a better show. [11:19] DaemonFC He did the TNG movies though. [11:19] matey dont tell me you didnt like the blacks in ds9 either, sisko was awesome (again, after season 1) [11:20] DaemonFC With a Hollywood movie budget, TNG did a lot better than it did on TV. [11:20] DaemonFC That bottle episode of TNG with Riker getting attacked by the tree with the darts with the virus in them is what I skip every time. [11:20] DaemonFC It was done during a writer's guild strike. [11:20] DaemonFC The episode is absolute trash. [11:21] matey tng had some really weird episodes [11:21] TR News Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162604 [11:21] TR Bot Fedora and IBM/Red Hat | Tux Machines [11:21] matey i dont mean sci fi weird, i mean "what were they thinking" weird [11:22] matey like how did that make it past the script [11:22] matey and stuff that didnt even seem to fit the rest of the show, let alone the storyline [11:22] TR News "While debugging, its invaluable to be able to trace functions in the Linux kernel. There are several tools for that task: perf, ftrace (with helper tool like trace-cmd), bpftrace, etc." https://politreco.com/2022/03/tracepoints-and-kernel-modules/ [11:22] matey "no ones watching this week anyway, lets run whatever this is" [11:22] TR Bot Tracepoints and kernelmodules [11:22] DaemonFC Well, in the future, a lot of the crime has gone away just because there's no scarcity anymore. [11:23] DaemonFC Race relations probably would improve if anyone can walk up to a replicator and get food and clothes, and there's no money anymore so no payday lenders and landlords. [11:24] matey marx said the same thing [11:24] matey minus the replicator per se [11:25] DaemonFC We're being squeezed worse than ever for food, fuel, rent, everything. [11:25] DaemonFC Worse than ever. [11:25] matey yeah nothing actually works if everything flows from the poor to the rich [11:26] DaemonFC But Communist countries never did figure out how to deal with shortages or consumer demand for that answer. [11:26] DaemonFC Sticking it all in the hands of politicians doesn't solve things. [11:26] DaemonFC It gives you different problems. [11:26] matey sticking it all in the hands of politicians was never the plan at all [11:27] DaemonFC In many ways, the Soviet Union (and China today) are more Dickens than Marx. [11:27] matey its very true [11:27] DaemonFC They eliminate homelessness and unemployment. [11:27] DaemonFC How? [11:27] DaemonFC "Are there no prisons!? No work camps!?" [11:28] matey the main difference between marxism and anarchism is the list of steps to get there [11:29] matey creating stalin is not one of those steps [11:29] DaemonFC Communism is a fantasy document because...... [11:29] DaemonFC People will accept their needs being met and nothing more. [11:29] matey thats not historically true [11:29] DaemonFC Politicians who get power will just lay it down to transition away from a state.... [11:30] matey this is a straw man, but its an understandable one [11:30] DaemonFC Soviet politics seemed to be worse than American politics. [11:30] DaemonFC You couldn't get toilet paper. [11:30] DaemonFC But they built 60,000 nuclear weapons. [11:30] matey soviet politics dovetailed with hitlers [11:30] matey they were monstrous [11:31] matey lethal, treacherous [11:31] matey but thats during stalin [11:31] matey and how it got that way is an important lesson (as is how hitler rose to power) [11:31] matey heres a fun fact i learned today [11:32] matey churchills favourite cognac? [11:32] matey ararat, from the soviet union [11:32] matey stalin used to ship him a case now and then [11:32] matey i mean thats not a scandal, its a glimpse into the reality of the era though [11:32] DaemonFC Yes, and Stalin liked Coca Cola so much there was a secret product made just for him. [11:33] DaemonFC "White Coke" which was intended to not make it obvious what he was drinking. [11:33] matey coca cola was never a nice company [11:33] matey and stalin was never a nice leader [11:33] matey russian hitler basically [11:33] DaemonFC While Russians had to make do with whatever they could get and were told that the West was degenerate, Stalin was cracking open cans of Coke smuggled in through embassies in Moscow. [11:34] matey oh it wasnt just stalin-- but it was because of stalin [11:34] matey the state under his leadership was like that in general [11:34] matey anyone who wants to understand the state of free software should read about the russian revolution [11:35] DaemonFC How could a nation state not replicate Coca Cola? [11:35] matey secret formula! [11:35] matey besides, why make your own milk when the company will send you one of their own famous cows? [11:35] DaemonFC I mean, that's why you just keep tweaking it and tasting the results. [11:36] matey youre missing the point that these were tokens of friendship [11:37] matey stalin sold out his own country on many fronts: british, german, american [11:37] matey his regime wasnt just the antithesis of what people in russia fought for [11:37] TR News First Ever Eco-Certified Computer Program: KDEs Popular PDF Reader Okular Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162605 [11:37] TR Bot First Ever Eco-Certified Computer Program: KDE's Popular PDF Reader Okular | Tux Machines [11:37] matey he literally rounded them all up and killed them (anyone left over from the victories of the past) [11:37] TR News DevTerm modular Linux terminal gets a RISC-V module compatible with Raspberry Pi CM3 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162606 [11:37] TR Bot DevTerm modular Linux terminal gets a RISC-V module compatible with Raspberry Pi CM3 | Tux Machines [11:38] TR News Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Corel VideoStudio Pro Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162607 [11:38] TR Bot Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Corel VideoStudio Pro | Tux Machines [11:38] TR News 1-Stream IPTV streaming software offers an alternative to Xtream Codes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162608 [11:38] TR Bot 1-Stream IPTV streaming software offers an alternative to Xtream Codes | Tux Machines [11:38] DaemonFC I always figured those disgusting supermarket brand sodas were designed to be bad on purpose. [11:38] matey theyre still a mystery to me [11:38] DaemonFC To move more Coke and Pepsi. [11:38] matey that would explain a lot [11:39] DaemonFC They have "budget" cigarettes too that you can only find in discount tobacco shops on the bad side of town. [11:40] matey im sure its different when youre talking about an addiction of that magnatude [11:40] DaemonFC People save another dollar or something and then the entire apartment complex gets gassed by what they're up there smoking. [11:40] matey not that sugar isnt addictive [11:40] DaemonFC It smells less like a Marlboro and more like someone drew a pentagram on the floor upstairs and conjured Satan. [11:40] matey it even says so right on the box [11:40] DaemonFC I can't imagine that those infamous Russian cigarettes are much worse than that. [11:41] matey the surgeon general had to phrase things carefully to avoid "church and state" issues [11:41] TR News Rust outsourced almost everything to proprietary software of Microsoft. You probably do not want software based on Rust. https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/03/16/CTCFT-march.html [11:41] TR Bot CTCFT 2022-03-21 Agenda | Inside Rust Blog [11:41] DaemonFC They still make those apparently, and the state still owns it. [11:41] matey you should never underestimate the horribleness of russian products under stalin [11:41] DaemonFC I'm surprised that the Chinese even allows smoking. [11:41] matey population control? [11:41] matey two birds with one smoke [11:42] DaemonFC When I was unloading a truck one day in 2003, I found a lighter that played some music. [11:42] matey taps? [11:42] DaemonFC Then I got a few more rows back and found someone's wallet and cigarettes. [11:42] DaemonFC I lit one of the cigarettes and took a drag off of it. It was the most horrible thing ever. [11:42] matey honestly i figure tobacco has an important cultural history in china or something [11:42] matey maybe not as cigarettes though [11:43] matey but as long as smoking tobacco is allowed [11:43] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162609 [11:43] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:43] matey i think pipe smoking goes back a ways [11:44] DaemonFC Smoking used to be allowed anywhere in the US. [11:44] DaemonFC It was so common there were disposable ash trays at most fast food restaurants. [11:44] matey the us has a history with prohibition [11:44] matey hey i remember when they had ashtrays on PLANES [11:44] TR News This is how Windows will die. And users of Windows will not be able to concentrate or be productive. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/15/22979251/microsoft-file-explorer-ads-windows-11-testing [11:44] TR Bot Microsoft says Windows 11 File Explorer ads were not intended to be published externally - The Verge [11:44] matey before they were headphone jacks [11:45] kingoffrance im sure you've seen the mainframe with built-in ashtray [11:45] *bnchs (~bnchs@gaefwgmifw7gs.irc) has joined #techrights [11:45] kingoffrance the caption reads "some vices were permitted" it was military or navy underground IIRC [11:45] matey granted i thought they were disgusting, but if you didnt put your fingers in them they only smelled foul [11:45] matey some vices were permitted <- they should write that under the flag itself [11:45] TR News Microsoft is lying to the media. But it also bribes the media. So a lot of the media repeats the lies. [11:45] kingoffrance there was a book of just photos of various computers [11:46] matey id love to see that book [11:46] bnchs gulagtube search engine, you search videos of tragedies like "christchurch shooting video", you get thousands of news reports instead [11:46] matey im sure you've seen the mainframe with built-in ashtray <- sounds like a pdp7 option [11:47] kingoffrance also allowed at jurassic park on thinking machines and sgi [11:47] bnchs this also applies to gulag [11:47] bnchs where they deindexed kiwi farms for distributing the video (on torrent) [11:49] TR News New buzzwords for storage layer with surveillance built in -- basically a massive regression peddled by companies that work for spy agencies https://ubuntu.com//blog/cloud-adjacent-storage [11:49] Alternative link Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/cloud-adjacent-storage [11:49] TR Bot Adjacent Storage | Ubuntu [11:49] matey https://www.geekwire.com/2017/museum-makes-moldy-machines-work-saving-historic-computers-future/ "A lot of the mainframes and minis built in the 1960s and '70s had ashtrays built into the counters," Carlson said. "You'd be sitting there working on the machine and, of course, you're smoking a... [11:49] Alternative link Cloudflare: geekwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.geekwire.com/2017/museum-makes-moldy-machines-work-saving-historic-computers-future/ [11:49] TR Bot this museum makes moldy machines work again, saving historic computers for the future - GeekWire [11:50] matey needs special floors, special power and special cooling-- but sure, go ahead and light up [11:51] TR News Letting people use Windows? That sounds like much greater a shadow than what's described here. https://www.fosslife.org/what-shadow-it [11:51] TR Bot What Is Shadow IT? [11:51] matey then again if they were square about it im sure they would have slightly less talent [11:51] matey sometimes youd think people didnt find out it was unhealthy until the 80s [11:52] TR News Windows is designed to be not secure. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA [11:52] TR Bot Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [11:56] TR News Picolibc 1.7.5 is released, but Keith Packard will need to remove it from Microsoft proprietary software GitHub for it to be taken seriously. It's a no-go when people outsource like this. It says a lot. https://keithp.com/picolibc/ [11:56] TR Bot picolibc [11:57] DaemonFC https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/16/russia-oligarchs-democracy-britain-london-politics [11:57] TR Bot We claim Britain is an ethical democracy - but oligarchs know thats not true | Rafael Behr | The Guardian [11:57] TR News The worse issue is, that's proprietary so you cannot fix bugs in Qt. "This massive number results in a higher likelihood that there are bugs that go unnoticed lying around in its less frequently used features or combination of features." https://www.kdab.com/the-qt-less-traveled/ [11:57] TR Bot Qt Less Traveled - KDAB [11:57] DaemonFC Ethical democracy.....just like the US. When you lose your job and lose your house, you go from being Bob down the street to just another piece of "fair game" for the police. [11:59] TR News "ICBM and its Red Hat subsidiary are working with Microsoft" so remember to quit buying things from ICBM. They are not our allies. https://www.itjungle.com/2022/03/16/project-aims-to-port-net-framework-to-power/ http://techrights.org/2022/03/03/state-of-proprietary-software/ [11:59] TR Bot Project Aims to Port .NET Framework to Power - IT Jungle [11:59] TR Bot Red Hats State of Enterprise Open Source Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights [11:59] matey the cops are there to preserve order [11:59] matey the order is that some people are well off, and everyone else is a potential threat to that ● Mar 16 [12:00] matey it helps if we mispronounce this "justice" [12:00] matey it helps them i mean [12:00] schestowitz-TR just us [12:00] matey just ice [12:00] schestowitz-TR "hello, police? Yes. well, my slave has flked..." [12:01] schestowitz-TR *fled [12:01] schestowitz-TR eloped [12:01] schestowitz-TR slave: "hello, police? I've just escaped someone who abuse me" [12:01] schestowitz-TR police: *hangs up* [12:05] bnchs search engines nowadays cant give you the thing that you're looking for [12:05] bnchs if its related to covid vaccines [12:05] bnchs or anything bad [12:06] DaemonFC Well, the police did return one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims to him and then laughed about it. [12:07] TR News KDE's Okular becomes the world's first eco-certified computer program http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162605#comment-33075 [12:07] bnchs lol okular [12:07] matey the police werent very woke at the time [12:08] bnchs depends on a dependency that has sub dependencies that depends on QT5 WEBENGINE [12:08] schestowitz-TR bnchs: I agree with you on that [12:08] TR Bot First Ever Eco-Certified Computer Program: KDE's Popular PDF Reader Okular | Tux Machines [12:08] schestowitz-TR but earlier you mentioned massacare footage [12:08] bnchs yes that was an example [12:08] schestowitz-TR I worry about the minds of people who WANT to watch that [12:08] schestowitz-TR also, that might reward the terrorism [12:08] schestowitz-TR it might even give incentive to copycats [12:09] matey a greater concern for brits under thatcher than americans at least [12:09] matey but most of europe is like that too [12:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:09] matey thatcher loved media blackouts [12:09] bnchs schestowitz-TR: theres already a few copycats [12:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [12:09] matey for fighting terrorism of course [12:09] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [12:09] bnchs one was a fatass and failed [12:09] bnchs but anyway i hate media blackouts [12:10] schestowitz-TR that's not a media blackout per se [12:10] schestowitz-TR the terror footage [12:10] schestowitz-TR a lot of media footage is watered down [12:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:10] schestowitz-TR not showing you corporse [12:10] schestowitz-TR as it can also shock families of victims [12:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [12:10] schestowitz-TR not only viewers [12:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 26.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.77 [12:10] matey these days a lot of people want to analyse footage for non-macabre reasons [12:10] bnchs yes its watered down [12:10] matey for example, theres a lot of crime solving going on online [12:11] bnchs the day that christchurch shooting happened [12:11] matey they use real footage for clues and solve actual mysteries [12:11] bnchs the media only showed seconds of the footage [12:11] matey sometimes [12:11] bnchs also christchurch was the day [12:11] matey as unpleasant as the footage is, it does have legitimate purposes. sony v betamax comes to mind [12:11] matey if there is a legitimate use... [12:11] bnchs that gulagtube removed the ability to sort videos [12:11] bnchs temporarily [12:12] matey of course reason isnt likely to win out because look, dead bodies [12:12] matey but theres still a rational argument to be made for not banning the footage outright [12:12] bnchs i actually did watch the footage [12:12] bnchs it was too low quality [12:13] bnchs most likely because it was boardcasting in facebook live [12:13] bnchs and some gopro-to-live stream middleware [12:15] bnchs anyway schestowitz-TR, people should have the right to look for the uncut footage [12:15] bnchs mainly for educational reasons [12:15] schestowitz-TR defiine eduction [12:15] schestowitz-TR how to maximise headshots? [12:15] bnchs no [12:16] bnchs there were some footage before he shot up that place [12:16] bnchs he had weapons with lots of text written on them [12:17] bnchs and also the places the shooter went looking for [12:18] matey new features for moodle [12:18] schestowitz-TR bnchs: that's education? [12:18] bnchs and theres also a small "shooting" happened that also had the footage released uncut [12:19] bnchs the shooter was clumsy as fuck [12:19] matey suddenly all the ads you get while browsing are for ammo and dark clothing [12:19] bnchs schestowitz-TR: well i dont know [12:19] activelow DaemonFC: semiconductor manufacturing in east germany was destroyed after 1990 [12:19] DaemonFC Man, cooking bacon in an air fryer is disgusting. [12:20] schestowitz-TR bnchs: you don't know? [12:20] DaemonFC Never realized there was this much grease. [12:20] schestowitz-TR you said it was for education [12:20] schestowitz-TR it's not [12:20] schestowitz-TR it's for intelligence [12:20] schestowitz-TR it is for you to get flagged by your country's intel agencies [12:20] matey customers who bought this item also liked: black balaclava [12:20] bnchs really? [12:20] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, They successfully corralled me to online grocery orders. [12:20] bnchs how is one guy downloading the footage [12:20] bnchs gonna shoot up something [12:21] DaemonFC I get more points on the credit card that way so at least there's that. [12:21] bnchs there are people like me who were curious [12:21] schestowitz-TR right [12:21] schestowitz-TR and they make the shortlist [12:21] schestowitz-TR of people more probable to become shooters [12:22] bnchs ok [12:22] bnchs you might aswell flag the media [12:22] bnchs for downloading the footage [12:22] schestowitz-TR they look for ways to prevent such incident [12:22] schestowitz-TR one effective way is, [12:22] bnchs i guess nobody should be looking at it [12:22] matey this would be a more interesting conversation if roy were more familiar with the people who actually take an academic interest in footage like this [12:22] schestowitz-TR find out who studies the thing [12:22] matey besides sick people i mean [12:22] bnchs matey: yes [12:23] matey instead we are going with imagination on one side [12:23] bnchs they study shooter behavior [12:23] schestowitz-TR matey: depends on their background [12:23] schestowitz-TR like, if they are forensic experts [12:23] schestowitz-TR who try to study how to make public places safer [12:23] schestowitz-TR or how to train secueity personnel [12:23] matey there are people interested in becoming forensic experts who have a legitimate interest in footage of violent events [12:23] schestowitz-TR they don't need to download it from the Web [12:24] schestowitz-TR the state likely gives them a copy [12:24] matey nope, this is your imagination again [12:24] matey the people who actually do this actually get it from the web [12:24] matey youre just not familiar with the truecrime community [12:24] matey so you imagine what theyre like [12:25] bnchs yes [12:25] matey not that bnchs is doing a great job describing [12:25] matey but you dont have to to be right [12:25] schestowitz-TR "I'm not a pedo, I just study this thing" [12:25] bnchs i cant really describe it [12:26] activelow DaemonFC: scientists were re-disposed into a "trust fund" "managed" by atlantic bridge minion war ciminals [12:26] matey if it pleases you to imagine a scenario where your prejudices outweigh reality, no one can stop you from doing so [12:26] matey but its a real community, not a hypothetical one [12:26] schestowitz-TR I already trhought long and hard about this [12:26] schestowitz-TR years ago [12:26] matey with actual traits, not ones you simply imagine [12:26] schestowitz-TR blocking access to the manifesto was the more controversial part [12:26] schestowitz-TR and ISPs chipping in [12:26] activelow not communists in this case, although they weren't fundementally different [12:27] matey lol [12:27] matey not communists in this case, although they weren't fundementally different <- read that as roys comment at first, and wondered how it took that turn [12:27] schestowitz-TR survivors and families of victims count also [12:27] matey maybe [12:27] schestowitz-TR and have a say [12:28] matey certainly not in all instances [12:28] matey but possibly in some [12:28] bnchs schestowitz-TR: the shooting should be preserved for academic and archival reasons [12:28] bnchs it would help in making public places safer [12:28] matey its not like the networks got permission from families of 9/11 victims to show those attacks like 100 times a day. [12:28] schestowitz-TR for access by security personnel [12:29] schestowitz-TR for training purposes, prevention [12:29] matey granted its not exactly the same because not a lot of faces in that footage [12:29] bnchs there wasnt alot of faces in the footage aswell [12:29] bnchs like i said the footage was so low quality [12:29] matey i thought you might say that. i havent seen it. [12:29] schestowitz-TR Denmark got it right [12:29] bnchs it was mostly blurry [12:30] schestowitz-TR it would not even name the perpetrator/terrorist [12:30] DaemonFC Some reasons why the US south failed were the federal government's fault. [12:30] matey but you did mention the low quality before [12:30] matey what did denmark do [12:30] schestowitz-TR no fame, no incentive [12:30] bnchs yes [12:30] schestowitz-TR I think only Denmark did this [12:30] schestowitz-TR that i can recall [12:30] DaemonFC Some were self-inflicted by state governments who couldn't get over the fact that they lost. [12:30] matey thats thatchers solution [12:30] matey i mean, maybe thatcher was right [12:30] matey but i never jump to the assumption [12:30] bnchs i mean in 9/11 [12:30] bnchs they named osama bin laden all day long [12:30] DaemonFC They decided that they'd rather be poor than industrialize and draw in educated people fron the north who would then vote. [12:31] DaemonFC So they wrote their state constitutions to deter industry, essentially giving up their change at prosperity. [12:31] matey but eventually saturn moved to smyrna tn etc [12:31] DaemonFC Now, ironically, industry goes there because they're so poor that if they can get a job for $10 an hour building KIAs then that's what they do. [12:32] DaemonFC America has its own third world country integrated into the economic zone already. [12:32] matey it probably helps that most of the people who were against industry moving there would be dead [12:32] DaemonFC It's called the Deep South. [12:33] DaemonFC The population remains relatively stable because most people are smart enough to not want to go down there. [12:33] matey industry does lure many [12:33] matey or it used to, i dont know about now [12:33] matey from what youre saying, probably [12:33] DaemonFC Most of the KIA quality control problems actually aren't from the workers down there being paid so little. [12:34] DaemonFC They're actually just very badly designed. [12:34] matey compaq started in a meeting in a crappy little diner basically [12:34] DaemonFC They ship the parts here and then have factory workers build them from parts. [12:34] matey i mean maybe the pie was great, i dont know [12:34] TR News QEMU 7.0 prepared for release https://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/7.0 [12:34] TR Bot ChangeLog/7.0 - QEMU [12:34] DaemonFC It avoids import duties on cars because they're car parts. As long as you can keep the assembly costs lower than the additional tariff on entire cars, then you assemble here. [12:35] DaemonFC And you keep labor down by keeping the auto worker unions out. [12:35] DaemonFC And you make sure your employees know they're not worth much to you so if the union gets in they're finished. [12:35] DaemonFC If the jobs market was really any good right now, such a threat wouldn't scare anyone. [12:36] matey but please wont someone think of the profits [12:36] TR News Ian Barker is at it, boosting Microsoft by attacking "Linux" This is not a problem with Linux, but to distract from massive Microsoft breaches they'd latch onto anything at this stage... https://betanews.com/2022/03/16/linux-and-raspberry-pi-machines-become-top-targets-for-credential-hacking/ [12:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: betanews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://betanews.com/2022/03/16/linux-and-raspberry-pi-machines-become-top-targets-for-credential-hacking/ [12:36] TR Bot Linux and Raspberry Pi machines become top targets for credential hacking [12:36] DaemonFC The worst thing that could possibly happen is you'd fire them from a place they hate and are trying to reform and there's more jobs someplace else. [12:36] DaemonFC And they'll like it better there. [12:36] DaemonFC But that's obviously not the case. [12:37] TR News "Now fixed. The problem was caused by the xserver-xorg moving from autotools to meson. I also had to apply a patch to xephyr source, as reported in the above-linked post." https://bkhome.org/news/202203/xephyr-and-browser-menu-entry-fixes.html [12:37] TR Bot Xephyr and browser menu entry fixes [12:37] DaemonFC There's no more money for COVID tests, masks, treatments, or vaccines. [12:37] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, ^ [12:37] matey but enough about mozilla [12:37] DaemonFC That happened pretty quickly. [12:38] DaemonFC And now with no protections at all in case you get it, they say take your masks off. [12:38] DaemonFC Walmart ended paid COVID leave effective March 29th. [12:38] TR News ICBM "excited to invite you to the first edition of the Fedora Mentor Summit" ... looking for slave or unpaid volunteers for ICBM profits. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mentor-summit-is-here/ [12:38] bnchs but [12:38] TR Bot Fedora Mentor Summit is here! Fedora Community Blog [12:38] DaemonFC After that, it just depends on how much personal time you have, until you're out, and then they fire you if you hit 4.5 points. [12:38] bnchs what if i dont want to be vaccinated [12:39] matey https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-merging-with-foxconn [12:39] Alternative link Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-merging-with-foxconn [12:39] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-merging-with-foxconn ) [12:39] matey fake news [12:39] TR News Buzzwords salad from SUSE. Same as Novell over 13 years ago with "agility" https://www.suse.com/c/agile-working-at-suse/ [12:39] Alternative link Cloudflare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/agile-working-at-suse/ [12:39] TR Bot Working at SUSE | SUSE Communities [12:40] TR News E-Ink Digital Paper Tablet is about the size of an A4 or US Letter paper https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/16/e-ink-digital-paper-tablet-is-about-the-size-of-an-a4-or-us-letter-paper/ Linux or Android inside... [12:40] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/16/e-ink-digital-paper-tablet-is-about-the-size-of-an-a4-or-us-letter-paper/ [12:40] TR Bot E-Ink Digital Paper Tablet is about the size of an A4 or US Letter paper - CNX Software [12:41] TR News e-ink isn't green. Yes, it reduces the use of paper, but let's not forget how the devices and batteries are made. And the energy generated to run them... [12:42] TR News Greenwashing can become like a mental illness. People tend to take into account ALL the environmental costs. Selective attention. [12:42] bnchs does eink work by heating up the paper? [12:42] matey no [12:42] bnchs or something else [12:42] matey electrostatic capsules of powder [12:42] bnchs oh [12:42] matey very small [12:42] matey /me would love an eink monitor, doesnt care about the refresh rate [12:43] schestowitz-TR you need toproduce these [12:43] schestowitz-TR and mine materials [12:43] schestowitz-TR and transport etc. [12:43] schestowitz-TR paper is still quite efficient [12:43] schestowitz-TR if not OVERused [12:44] schestowitz-TR like printing every single draft of a long document [12:44] matey paper is still quite efficient <- not for a teletype instead of a screen [12:44] matey m not sure what your argument is, people shouldnt make screens? [12:44] schestowitz-TR if they want to read books [12:44] schestowitz-TR they are better off taking them from a friend or library [12:44] DaemonFC Obviously, the sanctions do seem to be frustrating Pootie Poot, a lot. [12:45] schestowitz-TR to read a book you should not need all this complexity [12:45] schestowitz-TR same for cooking recipes [12:45] schestowitz-TR or fridges with computers on them [12:45] schestowitz-TR what for? [12:45] matey and for websites you should just get a newspaper [12:45] schestowitz-TR companies use these gimmicks [12:45] schestowitz-TR and those computers where they don't belong [12:45] DaemonFC The Russians are now willing to end the war, apparently, in exchange for Ukraine taking "neutrality" towards NATO. Other countries say sanctions won't go away unless Russia agrees to war reparations. [12:45] DaemonFC So either way, the Russians have lost the war. [12:45] schestowitz-TR matey: no, news changes fast [12:46] DaemonFC Their economy will die either due to sanctions or to war reparations. [12:46] schestowitz-TR and newspapers get discarded the same day [12:46] schestowitz-TR I said books [12:46] DaemonFC They get to choose. [12:46] matey theres a load of old books on the internet archive [12:46] matey you can read them on a screen [12:46] matey printing them would be a bit silly [12:46] *psydroid2 grabs a webnewspaper to read [12:46] matey wikipedia would be much nicer on eink imo [12:46] DaemonFC I think that the US and EU should just turn over the money it froze from Russia's forex accounts to Ukraine. [12:47] matey but im just talking about a monitor [12:47] matey not a self-contained ereader [12:47] schestowitz-TR there's also the footprint of connections inftra [12:47] DaemonFC They say the damage to property is roughly half a trillion dollars and we've seized about $400 billion I think. [12:47] matey i dont think you understand that im just talking about a monitor [12:47] matey if youre against computer monitors now youre sillier than i thought [12:47] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: the US economy ios collapsing [12:47] DaemonFC So if the Russians won't make installments on those damages, we should just refuse to ever pay them their reserves and pay them directly to Ukraine. [12:47] schestowitz-TR US media: LOOK OVER THA'!!! THE PUTINS !! [12:48] schestowitz-TR matey: I said books [12:48] schestowitz-TR you said newspapers [12:48] schestowitz-TR then wikipedia [12:48] schestowitz-TR there is also the production cost [12:48] matey actually i said books as well [12:48] DaemonFC I've heard some media speculation that Russia might pay their foreign debts with Chinese Yuan. [12:48] schestowitz-TR a books can be passed on [12:48] DaemonFC That would be unlikely. [12:49] schestowitz-TR or borrowed from the library [12:49] matey the production cost of monitors? [12:49] schestowitz-TR of everything electronic [12:49] DaemonFC The Chinese economy actually has exports of things other than oil and gas, so their currency is still worth something. [12:49] schestowitz-TR cost to the planet [12:49] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/01/02/article-on-digital-rights-in-2021-part-9/ [12:49] matey #techrights : 03/16/22 12:42 /me would love an eink monitor, doesnt care about the refresh rate [12:49] TR Bot My Year as a Digital Vegan Part IX Hard Reckonings: The Nine Circles of E-Waste | Techrights [12:49] DaemonFC The Ruble isn't really money, except internally, in Russia. [12:50] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: the dollar stagnates too [12:50] matey that was 7 minutes ago #techrights : 03/16/22 12:42 /me would love an eink monitor [12:50] DaemonFC It's only valuable to the extent that it's given value by reserve currencies that buy their oil and gas. [12:50] schestowitz-TR https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/598257-saudi-arabia-considers-accepting-yuan-instead-of-dollar-for-oil [12:50] TR Bot Arabia reportedly considering accepting yuan instead of dollar for oil sales | TheHill [12:50] matey then you started talking about books [12:50] DaemonFC They've been saying that since the 90s, Roy. [12:50] DaemonFC They never do it. [12:50] DaemonFC Saddam considered something similar and look what happened to him. [12:50] DaemonFC No more Saddam. [12:51] bnchs schestowitz-TR: what about DRM on digital scans of books [12:51] bnchs or books [12:51] schestowitz-TR 'books' [12:51] bnchs internet archive: has a digital rental system (which is retarded) [12:51] schestowitz-TR good luck reading them a year or a decade later [12:51] bnchs you have to "return" the book [12:51] bnchs after a week [12:51] matey i dont use their bullshit drm rentals [12:51] DaemonFC There's also a lot of ways to punish the Saudis for this without going to war with them. [12:52] bnchs its bullshit [12:52] matey the fsfs policy on this is sane [12:52] matey dont use drm [12:52] DaemonFC They like to buy weapons from us. They don't want a lot of extra oil capacity on the market competing with theirs. [12:52] kingoffrance ^^^ yeah and people were suing IIRC saying that "rental" system is too much violates whatever law [12:52] matey now, once you cut out all the drm crap from the internet archive [12:52] bnchs its not like the books have limited copies [12:52] DaemonFC If we lift sanctions on other countries and start pumping more of our own oil, then Saudi Arabia is finished. [12:52] matey MOST of the books on there are drm free [12:52] bnchs like in a physical library [12:52] DaemonFC So there's a limit to how far those threats can go. [12:52] *inky_ (~inky@178.78.143.183) has joined #techrights [12:52] bnchs but the internet archive wants to bring that back again [12:53] matey bring what back again [12:53] bnchs the reason why libraries make you return books [12:53] bnchs is because there are limited copies [12:53] matey even though im 100% against their drm titles [12:53] bnchs and you dont own it obviously [12:53] matey i dont think thats the motiviation for the internet archive really [12:53] matey their logic is, we can offer MORE books if we placate these drm arseholes [12:54] matey which is a position im against [12:54] DaemonFC The reason there's limited copies is because of the DRM and copyright laws. You can go find unlimited copies someone else has made on the Internet. [12:54] bnchs theres actually software that helps crack the adobe DRM on the books [12:54] matey but its not "hey drm is cool lets have more" [12:54] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, SurfShark was sued by the MPAA last year apparently. [12:54] DaemonFC May have something to do with NordVPN taking them over. [12:54] matey You can go find unlimited copies someone else has made on the Internet. <- which for books with drm is a better option [12:54] bnchs DaemonFC: what about limited physical copiea [12:54] matey drm should never be on books [12:55] matey people who add drm to books should be launched into space [12:55] DaemonFC The way I understand it, most VPNs have no logs to turn over because their hosting providers can't actually see what you're doing. [12:55] DaemonFC Due to the encryption. [12:55] bnchs matey: theres software (i think on libgen) that cracks the DRM on the PDF files [12:55] matey good [12:55] bnchs libgen > internet archive [12:55] matey once again [12:55] DaemonFC The MPAA was demanding information from the service providers about SOCKS Proxy users, which it may well get because those are unencrypted. [12:55] matey i never recommend books on the internet archive with drm. [12:56] bnchs yes [12:56] matey but there are countless things there that dont have it. [12:56] bnchs when i saw their rental system, i thought it was bullshit [12:56] matey also its easier to put your own book on internet archive than libgen [12:56] DaemonFC The public domain is growing again, finally. [12:56] matey i know, because i work with people who have dealt with libgen. [12:56] bnchs matey: libgen has anonymous upload [12:56] bnchs right? [12:57] matey im not sure its that simple. [12:57] matey or maybe this wasnt libgen, maybe it was someone else. [12:57] matey whats the closest thing to libgen? [12:57] matey because we did use libgen the first time. [12:58] matey libgen is the one that moved to russia for copyright reasons i think [12:58] kingoffrance is where basename and dirname live :) [12:58] bnchs libgen has IPFS mirrors [12:58] bnchs and torrent mirrors [12:58] matey we had some issues with libgen or something nearly identical to it [12:58] matey which doesnt mean libgen isnt great [12:58] bnchs while internet archive sits on thousands of hard drives [12:58] bnchs with no way to download it all [12:59] matey /me sighs [12:59] matey i could just change my nick to not-the-ones-with-drm-ffs [12:59] matey thats probably too long actually [12:59] bnchs i uploaded a pdf to libgen ● Mar 16 [13:00] bnchs anonymously [13:00] matey just now? [13:00] bnchs no [13:00] bnchs but it was too easy [13:00] matey ill have another look [13:00] DaemonFC https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/netflix-removals-government-censorship-takedown-1203496331/ [13:00] Alternative link Cloudflare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/netflix-removals-government-censorship-takedown-1203496331/ [13:00] TR Bot Lists TV Shows, Movies Removed After Government Demands - Variety [13:01] bnchs DaemonFC: yes [13:01] bnchs funny thing [13:01] bnchs some christian movie got banned in singapore [13:01] bnchs after government complain [13:01] DaemonFC Germany bans Night of the Living Dead> [13:01] matey bnchs: opentrackr.orgt [13:01] matey .org [13:02] matey thats the one we were having trouble with [13:02] bnchs oh [13:02] matey for some OTHER reason we tried going from libgen to opentrackr [13:02] matey but i couldnt tell you why [13:02] DaemonFC https://m.imdb.com/list/ls005738057/ [13:02] TR Bot Banned in Germany (chronological order) - IMDb [13:03] matey s/Living Dead/Long Knives/ fixed [13:04] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [13:04] matey some christian movie got banned in singapore <- maybe they were chewing gum in the movie [13:05] matey it sets a bad example [13:05] bnchs yea [13:06] matey if people start chewing gum they could start kicking ass [13:06] matey and that could lead to dancing [13:06] bnchs you cant have other religion movies in a "muslim" country [13:06] bnchs because its BAD [13:08] TR News Links 16/3/2022: KDEs Okular Greenwashed and Microsoft Putting Ads in Applications | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/greenwashing-freesw/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/greenwashing-freesw/ [13:09] TR Bot Links 16/3/2022: KDEs Okular Greenwashed and Microsoft Putting Ads in Applications | Techrights [13:09] TR News Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt: Latest Wave Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162610 [13:09] TR Bot Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt: Latest Wave | Tux Machines [13:09] bnchs windows in 2025: shows ads in startup screen [13:09] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162611 [13:09] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [13:10] bnchs windows in 2030: unskippable video ad in startup [13:10] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162612 [13:10] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [13:10] TR News Education: Fedora Mentor Summit, EuroBSDCon, and Raspberry Pi Projects Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162613 [13:10] TR Bot Education: Fedora Mentor Summit, EuroBSDCon, and Raspberry Pi Projects | Tux Machines [13:10] matey windows in 2035: sends them into your consciousness via the vagus nerve through the anal probe [13:10] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162614 [13:10] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [13:10] matey just stick it in your app! [13:11] bnchs windows user: for the last time, i dont have an anal probe!!!! [13:11] schestowitz-TR you do [13:11] schestowitz-TR you don't know yet :-) [13:11] matey they dont eat at mcdonalds or shop at walmart either [13:11] schestowitz-TR [13:10] windows in 2030: unskippable video ad in startup [13:11] schestowitz-TR and mining crypto at shutdown [13:12] schestowitz-TR please wait 5 minutes while we max upp your CPU, thanks ffor the understanding [13:12] bnchs more like crypto miner in intel ME [13:12] bnchs that mines even when your pc is off [13:12] matey "this is not your default operating system [x] show this message at startup" [13:12] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/intel-announces-multibillion-investment-plan-for-europe/a-61135478 [13:12] TR Bot announces multibillion investment plan for Europe | News | DW | 15.03.2022 [13:13] activelow 80billion [13:13] *psydroid2 would be surprised if Intel ME and Windows still had any major market share in 2030 [13:13] matey something to look forward to [13:13] activelow 1135478 [13:14] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-buy-us-f-35-stealth-fighters/a-61114350 [13:14] TR Bot to buy US F-35 stealth fighters | News | DW | 14.03.2022 [13:14] matey lets hope they remember to turn stealth off when they tie them down [13:14] activelow still confused, Eurofighter, equipped with MC68000 series electronics, was put into operation 2006 [13:14] matey otherwise they could be hard to find [13:14] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:15] activelow wait a moment, ... maybe, manfucaturing and supply chain of this era, maybe it's "defunct" already? [13:16] matey stealth fighters are a major safety hazard because they have that big pointing thing on the nose [13:16] matey and you could just walk into it [13:16] matey maybe it's "defunct" already <- maybe it was a gift, like churchhills cognac [13:17] matey "to-buy" i mean they lawyers make them say that [13:17] matey tax purposes, the hague, etc [13:17] activelow yes, this seems to be it, given the TI calculator series with mc68000 isn't produced anymore either [13:18] activelow the latest TI calculators are equipped with ARM [13:18] activelow NASA had a similar problem with their space shuttle and i8086 series parts, which they couldn't source anymore [13:20] *matey has quit (connection closed) [13:22] TR News Range check elimination in loops in OpenJDKs HotSpot JVM | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/16/range-check-elimination-loops-openjdks-hotspot-jvm [13:22] TR Bot Range check elimination in loops in OpenJDK's HotSpot JVM | Red Hat Developer [13:23] TR News Stormworks: Build and Rescue massively improves gamepad support for Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/stormworks-build-and-rescue-massively-improves-gamepad-support-for-steam-deck/ [13:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/stormworks-build-and-rescue-massively-improves-gamepad-support-for-steam-deck/ [13:23] TR Bot Build and Rescue massively improves gamepad support for Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux [13:23] TR News Core Keeper is the latest indie hit with over 250,000 sales in one week | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/core-keeper-is-the-latest-indie-hit-with-over-25k-sales-in-one-week [13:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/core-keeper-is-the-latest-indie-hit-with-over-25k-sales-in-one-week [13:23] TR Bot Keeper is the latest indie hit with over 250,000 sales in one week | GamingOnLinux [13:25] TR News MacGuffin's Curse gets a HD upgrade along with GNU/Linux support | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/macguffins-curse-gets-a-hd-upgrade-along-with-linux-support [13:25] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/macguffins-curse-gets-a-hd-upgrade-along-with-linux-support [13:25] TR Bot Curse gets a HD upgrade along with Linux support | GamingOnLinux [13:38] TR News XeroLinux: A Beautiful Arch-based Linux With Excellent Customizability by Default http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162236#comment-33076 [13:38] TR Bot Review: XeroLinux in 2022 | Tux Machines [13:38] TR News Games: Stormworks: Build and Rescue, Core Keeper, MacGuffins Curse, and X4 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162615 [13:38] TR Bot Games: Stormworks: Build and Rescue, Core Keeper, MacGuffin's Curse, and X4 | Tux Machines [13:39] schestowitz "Former Xamarin co-founder Miguel de Icaza is leaving Microsoft Former Xamarin cofounder Miguel de Icaza is leaving Microsoft, the company he joined through acquisition just over six years ago." [13:39] schestowitz No actual investigation into it [13:39] schestowitz that's the depth you expect from podcast [13:39] schestowitz miguel says [13:39] schestowitz mary jo foley says [13:39] schestowitz that's it [13:40] TR News Being a "BIG" tech company and being a CRIMINAL tech company is not the same thing, but Microsoft is attempting to blur the differences. http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [13:40] TR Bot EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights [13:42] TR News "This post will feature four outstanding contributors from the Australia and New Zealand regions, who have played diverse leadership and community roles in the Upstream Kubernetes project." https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/03/16/meet-our-contributors-au-nz-ep-02/ [13:42] TR Bot Meet Our Contributors - APAC (Aus-NZ region) | Kubernetes [13:43] TR News SiFive raises $175 million after selling OpenWave SoC design unit to Alphawave https://linuxgizmos.com/sifive-raises-175-million-after-selling-openwave-soc-design-unit-to-alphawave/ [13:43] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/sifive-raises-175-million-after-selling-openwave-soc-design-unit-to-alphawave/ [13:43] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/sifive-raises-175-million-after-selling-openwave-soc-design-unit-to-alphawave/ ) [13:47] TR News "Copyright is artificial scarcity. That sucks. That comes at a huge cost. Articifical scarcity enables poverty." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/bgg-copyright-thread [13:48] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:54] *techrights_guest|67 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:58] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 61.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.79 [13:59] activelow "Copyright is artificial scarcity" ... Author's rights aren't artificial. ● Mar 16 [14:00] activelow copyrights refer to capitalization of an author's work; which means infringement of copyright infringes author's rights [14:03] kingoffrance where does monetized debt fit into this? [14:03] kingoffrance that "right" to "make a living" is long gone [14:03] kingoffrance centuries too slow [14:03] kingoffrance like the bazaar and cathedral, that world no longer exists [14:03] kingoffrance gov does not respect this "right" anywhere at all [14:04] kingoffrance why is copyright special? [14:05] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:05] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:05] kingoffrance as mincer would say [14:05] kingoffrance fancy words for regulatory capture [14:06] kingoffrance better way to say that: define "capitalization" [14:07] kingoffrance since it got redefined circa 1900 for america at least [14:07] activelow one distinction is "author's rights" cannot be transferred to anyone else, it is copyrights which can be transferred [14:08] activelow and it is possible to infringe author's rights even when copyright was transferred and not infringed, such as claiming authorship of anyone else work, which is plagiarism for example [14:10] psymin https://github.com/samizdapp/RFC1 [14:10] TR Bot - samizdapp/RFC1: a draft architecture [14:12] kingoffrance sure, but define capitalization [14:12] kingoffrance tehre is no capital. it got redefined to mean credit [14:12] activelow kingoffrance: "capitalization", "commerce", to make money; meaning even if copright and license terms are complied with, author's rights may be infringed [14:12] kingoffrance yes, banks "make credit money" all day long [14:12] kingoffrance counterfeiters do too no help [14:13] kingoffrance why is "the right to be paid" a right? [14:13] kingoffrance is that like universal basic income? [14:13] activelow it's law, such as minimum wage for example [14:13] kingoffrance ok thank you :) [14:14] activelow although, minimum wage is agnostic towards the work of an author, so potentially a mountain of other laws applied besides [14:15] activelow such as anti-trust, competition laws, if any quality work was compensated (or none at all) far below "market price" [14:18] kingoffrance the distinction i would make is: who is contracting with an "author" for them to make a "work" ? [14:18] kingoffrance in the case of employment, it is voluntary (involuntary employment is called slavery...or draft maybe) [14:18] kingoffrance in the case of an author making a "work" ...who contracted with them that they deserve payment? [14:19] activelow with employment almost always copyrights are transferred to the company, and compensated with an employees salary [14:19] kingoffrance sure [14:20] kingoffrance s/deserve/are owed by law/ [14:20] kingoffrance "deserve's got nothing to do with it" -- clint eastwood movie [14:21] activelow yet, it's important, even if copyright was transferred, to a company for example, such company may not easily claim authorship, because author's rights cannot be transferred [14:22] kingoffrance do you have any good recommendations papers/etc. to read about these distinctions? [14:22] activelow meaning if, for example, if I designed and implemented some algorithm, and if a company claims instead they did it, this is a violation of *my* author's rights [14:22] activelow kingoffrance: german language [14:22] kingoffrance yes [14:22] kingoffrance :) [14:26] MinceR 16 110018 < DaemonFC> All Debian releases are basically LTS. [14:26] MinceR more like NTS [14:26] MinceR also, deadian "stable" is not stable [14:28] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [14:28] MinceR 16 145926 < activelow> "Copyright is artificial scarcity" ... Author's rights aren't artificial. [14:28] MinceR scarcity of copies is [14:28] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights [14:33] activelow anyway, this is the suspicion i have, and german military reported it regularly: unavailable spare parts and supplies (sub-marines, aircraft etc.) [14:34] activelow and although Eurofighter as almost brand-new, put into operation year 2006, they cannot source required MC68000 series chips anymore, for example [14:34] activelow is [14:34] activelow now they say, F-35 aircraft shall be acquired, together with Intel dumping billions of shitcoins into EU [14:35] activelow however, Intel has a proven track-record of long-term reliability already, with missing spare parts for the NASA space shuttle [14:36] activelow officially, they say, it was only the Tornado jet which could carry USA nukes, however i think it isn't a huge challenge to attach any missile to Eurofighter, instead of acquisition of F-35 [14:36] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-22-memes-18.jpg [14:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-22-memes-18.jpg [14:37] activelow instead, they are distracting now, from the fact the Eurofighter is dys-functional, after few years of operation [14:38] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [14:38] activelow Volkswagen/VW too reported lack of semiconductor supplies; 2+2=4 i would say [14:38] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:53] activelow some newspaper articles from year 2018 confirm suppliers of Eurofighter are defunct, and only a few of the aircraft were operational [14:54] activelow which is remarkable, because order of *new* aircraft typically operating a lifetime of 40years or more were placed until year 2009, and few years later the suppliers are defunct already [14:56] activelow although i cannot confirm with absolute certainty, if it is related to Motorola issues (an aircraft with engineers which crash landed into the ocean, Malaysia Airlines MH-370) ● Mar 16 [15:13] *kingoffrance sits at desk with coffee. people who make free copies of things are paying exactly what they think it is worth, which is how a market works. change my mind [15:25] kingoffrance what is really being argued is who has the power to set a price. if we take "minimum wage" the "crime" is people voting "directly" rather than through "representatives" [15:25] kingoffrance *"minimum wage" versus deciding how much a "work" is worth [15:26] kingoffrance the "right" in question is the "right" to set a price [15:26] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mS3Y5Z-P0ALYIBmuESP0OEOkIY7cPTdSgOsITokWyL4.jpeg [15:26] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mS3Y5Z-P0ALYIBmuESP0OEOkIY7cPTdSgOsITokWyL4.jpeg [15:29] kingoffrance or, it is more of a procedural violation than anything else [15:40] kingoffrance maybe another way to say that is only formal votes are recognized :) [15:56] TR News Corporate, Microsoft-Connected Media Would Say Anything to Distract From Windows Holes, Exploits, and a High Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/omg-the-passwords/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/omg-the-passwords/ [15:56] TR Bot Corporate, Microsoft-Connected Media Would Say Anything to Distract From Windows Holes, Exploits, and a High Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) | Techrights [15:59] TR News "News of this finally broke in 2019 when someone on a music collecting forum claimed to have over 16 hours of unheard Radiohead OK Computer recordings in their possesion. They were hoping to sell these recordings or get offered a trade for other equally rare music, so to prove that they actually had these recordings" gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2021-04-05-minidiscs-hacked.gmi ● Mar 16 [16:01] TR News BillBC World Service - The Shutdown, Misinformation https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct3hgq "India has been responsible for more shutdowns each year than any other country. Why?" [16:01] TR Bot BBC World Service - The Shutdown, Misinformation [16:02] TR News Gulag Chrome "vulnerabilities that an attacker could exploit to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/16/google-releases-security-updates-chrome [16:02] TR Bot Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISA [16:03] TR News Apple #ProprietarySoftware "An attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/16/apple-releases-security-updates-multiple-products [16:03] TR Bot Apple Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA [16:03] MinceR (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/15/neighbor-cat-sneaking-into-house/ [16:03] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/15/neighbor-cat-sneaking-into-house/ [16:03] TR Bot People Are Sharing Funny Stories Of Their Neighbor's Cats Sneaking Into Their Home (15 Pics) [16:06] TR News The WINDOWS Gamer Gardiner Bryant: hey, let's put Microsoft #ProprietarySoftware on the thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTVBqyvFCV8 [16:06] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UTVBqyvFCV8 [16:06] TR Bot yewtu.be | Install Minecraft on your Steam Deck the EASY WAY. - Invidious [16:06] TR News Flatpak App of the Week: Shotcut Powerful and Versatile Video Editor Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162616 [16:06] TR Bot Flatpak App of the Week: Shotcut Powerful and Versatile Video Editor | Tux Machines [16:08] TR News The media keeps obsessing over long-patched bugs in Linux and even blames Linux for bad passwords; is the media simply trying to distract from the primary culprit, which has nothing to do with Linux? http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/omg-the-passwords/ [16:10] TR News Go 1.18 Arrives with 20% Improved Performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162596#comment-33077 [16:10] TR Bot Go 1.18 is released! - The Go Programming Language | Tux Machines [16:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [16:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.68 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.82 [16:14] TR News Jeff Bezos cheats on you like he cheated on his wife https://www.maketecheasier.com/ftc-investigated-amazon-prime/ [16:14] TR Bot FTC Investigated Amazon for Deception with Prime Accounts - Make Tech Easier [16:14] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162617 [16:14] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [16:14] TR News 10 Ways To Speed Up Firefox Browser in Linux Desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162618 [16:14] TR Bot 10 Ways To Speed Up Firefox Browser in Linux Desktop | Tux Machines [16:17] TR News Are There Any Linux Phones? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162619 [16:17] TR Bot Are There Any Linux Phones? | Tux Machines [16:20] TR News 5 things Linux needs to seriously compete in the desktop market that you probably never considered Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162620 [16:20] TR Bot 5 things Linux needs to seriously compete in the desktop market that you probably never considered | Tux Machines [16:22] TR News Wind River Studio Linux Services Draws From Nearly Two Decades of Highly Customized Linux Focus and Expertise https://blogs.windriver.com/wind_river_blog/2022/03/wind-river-studio-linux-services-draws-from-15-years-of-highly-customized-linux-focus-and-expertisetled/ [16:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: windriver.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blogs.windriver.com/wind_river_blog/2022/03/wind-river-studio-linux-services-draws-from-15-years-of-highly-customized-linux-focus-and-expertisetled/ [16:22] TR Bot Wind River Studio Linux Services Draws From Nearly Two Decades of Highly Customized Linux Focus and Expertise [16:23] TR News "So last week we mentioned that Stadia was going to introduce a solution to run Windows games unmodified on Linux, and not using Proton as Google was apparently building their own thing." https://boilingsteam.com/stadias-tech-to-run-windows-games-more-details-unveiled/ [16:23] TR Bot Stadia's Tech to Run Windows Games: More Details Unveiled - Boiling Steam [16:25] TR News Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.4 RC 2 https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-4-rc-2 [16:25] Alternative link Cloudflare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-4-rc-2 [16:26] TR Bot Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.4 RC 2 [16:27] TR News Ubuntu Has a Brand New Logo Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162621 [16:27] TR Bot Ubuntu Has a Brand New Logo | Tux Machines [16:28] TR News Arduino-compatible RPi CM4 carrier sells for $25 https://linuxgizmos.com/arduino-compatible-rpi-cm4-carrier-sells-for-25/ [16:28] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/arduino-compatible-rpi-cm4-carrier-sells-for-25/ [16:28] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/arduino-compatible-rpi-cm4-carrier-sells-for-25/ ) [16:29] TR News "Love your casual games? Lazy Galaxy 2 from Coldwild Games is out now with a GNU/Linux version and it's a wonderful idle / clicker game that also blends in some other strategy elements too." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/lazy-galaxy-2-blends-together-an-idle-clicker-with-some-rts-elements-out-now [16:29] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/lazy-galaxy-2-blends-together-an-idle-clicker-with-some-rts-elements-out-now [16:29] TR Bot Galaxy 2 blends together an idle / clicker with some RTS elements out now | GamingOnLinux [16:29] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@gaefwgmifw7gs.irc) has joined #techrights [16:30] bnchs__ windows emulator [16:31] psydroid2 windows destroyer [16:31] bnchs__ windows with ads [16:31] bnchs__ it's not like you paid for a license [16:31] bnchs__ to get ads [16:31] bnchs__ need to get a little money on the side [16:31] schestowitz-TR can winew run them? [16:32] schestowitz-TR *wine [16:32] bnchs__ you know what i mean [16:32] psydroid2 where can I get such a subscription? [16:32] schestowitz-TR we need Linux compatibility [16:32] schestowitz-TR or people won't switch [16:32] schestowitz-TR "no ads, no switch" [16:32] schestowitz-TR forum threats will open [16:32] schestowitz-TR "I get no ads, Linux sucks!!" [16:32] bnchs__ why are there no ads in my file manager [16:32] bnchs__ why are there no ads in my login screen [16:32] bnchs__ why are there no ads in my start menu [16:32] bnchs__ LINUX SUCKS [16:33] psydroid2 Linux has no business model [16:33] psydroid2 we need ads [16:33] bnchs__ ubuntu's display manager will start depending on chromium [16:34] psydroid2 the dot in Linux.com [16:34] bnchs__ for the ADS you know [16:34] psydroid2 brought to you by spamnil ad services [16:34] TR News Once again this complete nonsense wherein Microsoft-funded sites blame "Linux" for password choices https://www.techradar.com/news/linux-and-raspberry-pi-devices-are-proving-a-major-security-weak-link see http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/omg-the-passwords/ [16:34] TR Bot and Raspberry Pi devices are proving a major security weak link | TechRadar [16:34] TR Bot Corporate, Microsoft-Connected Media Would Say Anything to Distract From Windows Holes, Exploits, and a High Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) | Techrights [16:35] psydroid2 I'm waiting for the chromium desktop environment [16:35] bnchs__ >blaming the OS for you choosing a shit password [16:35] bnchs__ NO WHY IS LINUX ALLOWING ME TO CHOOSE A SHIT PASSWORD [16:35] bnchs__ linux BAD [16:35] MinceR 16 173323 < psydroid2> Linux has no business model [16:35] MinceR it has one now [16:36] bnchs__ is the micro$oft funded sites really that retarded [16:36] MinceR the Linux-Destroying Foundation's members pay the Linux-Destroying Foundation to make Linux worse so it's easier to compete against [16:36] bnchs__ the headline doesn't mention passswords [16:36] bnchs__ it makes as if linux shouldnt be in raspberry pi because it's bad [16:37] TR News Anything to distract from absolutely appalling news about Microsoft holes and exploits, in media that's partly controlled by Microsoft while distorting words like "back doors" and their meaning https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/new-b1txor20-linux-botnet-uses-dns.html [16:37] Alternative link Cloudflare: thehackernews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/new-b1txor20-linux-botnet-uses-dns.html [16:37] TR Bot New "B1txor20" Linux Botnet Uses DNS Tunnel and Exploits Log4J Flaw [16:37] psydroid2 Windows on a raspberry pi would be absolute garbage [16:37] *inky_ (~inky@5.77.197.219) has joined #techrights [16:38] bnchs__ psydroid2, it wouldn't even be possible [16:38] psydroid2 just like it is everywhere else [16:38] bnchs__ windows consumes RAM like a fatass [16:38] bnchs__ i'm pretty sure it would be a matter of seconds before the raspberry pi turns into fire [16:40] psydroid2 https://www.worproject.ml/ [16:40] Alternative link Cloudflare: worproject.ml | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.worproject.ml/ [16:40] TR Bot Home | Windows on Raspberry [16:40] psydroid2 for masochists by masochists [16:40] bnchs__ yes [16:41] TR News Stable Kernels: 5.16.15, 5.15.29, 5.10.106, 5.4.185, 4.19.235, 4.14.272, and 4.9.307 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162622 [16:41] TR Bot Stable Kernels: 5.16.15, 5.15.29, 5.10.106, 5.4.185, 4.19.235, 4.14.272, and 4.9.307 | Tux Machines [16:41] bnchs__ geez i would like windows to consume 90% of my RAM and heat up my raspberry pi [16:41] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162623 [16:41] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:41] bnchs__ and make my programs run alot more slower [16:42] MinceR at least it would get along nicely with the MICROS~1 malware running on the GPU [16:42] MinceR except, of course, for the fact that MICROS~1 products are rarely compatible even with themselves [16:43] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162624 [16:43] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [16:43] bnchs__ windows running on phones would cause more global warming [16:43] TR News Games: Stadia, Godot, and Lazy Galaxy 2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162625 [16:43] TR Bot Games: Stadia, Godot, and Lazy Galaxy 2 | Tux Machines [16:43] bnchs__ than bill gates' greenwashing shit [16:44] MinceR only if they managed to get enough people to buy and use them [16:44] MinceR so far it didn't work too well :> [16:45] TR News A new look for the Circle of Friends http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162621#comment-33079 [16:45] TR Bot Ubuntu Has a Brand New Logo | Tux Machines [16:45] MinceR yay, just what it needed [16:45] TR News Raspberry Pi for home https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-for-home/ [16:45] TR Bot Raspberry Pi for home - Raspberry Pi [16:46] MinceR https://abstrusegoose.com/536 [16:46] TR Bot Abstruse Goose | 100 percent effective [16:46] psydroid2 the QuartzPro64 looks nice and all, but I would probably go for the much cheaper Rock5 instead [16:46] TR News Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill Protecting the Publics Right to Repair Electronic Devices - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-welcomes-bill-protecting-the-publics-right-to-repair-electronic-devices/ [16:46] TR Bot Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill Protecting the Publics Right to Repair Electronic Devices - Public Knowledge [16:46] psydroid2 and if you don't run bloated software the Quartz64 should offer decent enough performance [16:46] TR News IR Sensor With Arduino: wiring and code explained https://peppe8o.com/ir-sensor-with-arduino-wiring-and-code-explained/ [16:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: peppe8o.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://peppe8o.com/ir-sensor-with-arduino-wiring-and-code-explained/ [16:46] TR Bot IR Sensor With Arduino: wiring and code explained [16:47] psydroid2 Windows will never be anything than a pleb on that kind of hardware [16:47] bnchs__ GNU/Linux will run on any kind of hardware [16:47] psydroid2 it barely even runs on the "high-end" hardware from 2016 I have here [16:47] bnchs__ Windows is like that picky eater that only runs with specific amount of TPM and shit [16:47] bnchs__ and a newer CPU [16:48] TR News Disappointing to see medevel (Turkish blogger, focusing on Free software) selling out and posting webspam (SEO/garbage/spam) and more so lately, e.g. moments ago https://medevel.com/7-ways-to-optimize-market-research/ [16:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/7-ways-to-optimize-market-research/ [16:48] TR Bot 7 Ways to Optimize Market Research [16:53] TR News Hot Dog Linux, for people who really do love their vintage desktops Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162626 [16:53] TR Bot Hot Dog Linux, for people who really do love their vintage desktops | Tux Machines [16:54] TR News KODI 19.4 Matrix Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162200#comment-33080 [16:54] TR Bot Kodi 19.4 Released with Various Fixes! Install it via Ubuntu PPA | Tux Machines [16:55] TR News FOSSlife promotes snakeoil and garbage from ZDNt https://www.fosslife.org/top-security-keys-2fa see http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/ [16:55] TR Bot Top Security Keys for 2FA [16:55] TR Bot A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights [16:56] *bnchs___ (~bnchs@8dx242nkeu6fc.irc) has joined #techrights [16:57] TR News Gadgets are not security and aren't lifestyle. They're just gadgets. Don't worship things for their brands and their physical existence (tangible) or their price (perceived value). Some of the best things do not cost anything. [16:58] TR News Fake Shemp History: How Jeff Garlin Became the New Bela Lugosi https://tedium.co/2022/03/16/jeff-garlin-fake-shemp-history/ [16:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2022/03/16/jeff-garlin-fake-shemp-history/ [16:58] TR Bot Fake Shemp History: How Jeff Garlin Became the New Bela Lugosi [16:58] *bnchs__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:59] *bnchs (~bnchs@5hr7xjkfvrhxe.irc) has joined #techrights [16:59] TR News ICBM this afternoon: "We're updating copr packages to the new versions which will bring new features and bugfixes. This outage affects the copr-frontend and copr-backend"... ICBM Fedora gradually migrated to Amazon as it cannot trust its own "CLOWN" http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/aws-fedoraproject/ [16:59] TR Bot It Looks Like Red Hats (IBM) Fedora Project May be Outsourced to Amazons Datacentres | Techrights [16:59] *bnchs___ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Mar 16 [17:00] TR News ICBM Red Hat is rapidly rebranding everything as "clown", even old things that predate containers and VMs https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/shift-stack-vhostuser-ports [17:00] TR Bot Shift-on-Stack with Vhostuser Ports [17:01] TR News Very few cars run a distro from ICBM, so Red Hat is basically playing catch-up here (other GNU/Linux systems dominate cars) https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/whats-new-automotive-software-2022 [17:01] TR Bot Whats new for automotive software in 2022? [17:04] bnchs "clown"s should have never existed [17:04] schestowitz-TR they always did [17:04] schestowitz-TR but were named differently [17:05] schestowitz-TR and not many companies got all EXCITED about OUTSOURCING [17:05] schestowitz-TR it's a marketing trick [17:05] schestowitz-TR "if you are not outsource, YOU ARE FALLING BEHIND !!!!!!' [17:05] schestowitz-TR *outsourcing [17:06] schestowitz-TR "get your CLOWN certification today" [17:06] schestowitz-TR (become outsourcing professional1) [17:06] schestowitz-TR also edit your CV/resume [17:06] schestowitz-TR to say "ops" and "clown" and stuff... [17:07] schestowitz-TR to make yourself "upskilled" [17:07] bnchs professional at outsourcing your data [17:07] bnchs to someone else's computer [17:07] bnchs if they said that instead of "clown professional", then less people would hire them [17:12] psydroid9 what are IT jobs even these days? [17:12] MinceR mostly bullshit [17:15] bnchs it's more like hiring people to make your infrasturcture more insecure [17:15] bnchs like "clown" pros [17:15] schestowitz-TR what MinceR said [17:15] bnchs and windows monkeys [17:15] TR News xkcd: Consensus Time https://xkcd.com/2594/ #xkcd [17:15] TR Bot Consensus Time [17:15] Alternative link Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2594/ [17:16] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:18] schestowitz-TR bnchs: and outsourcing [17:18] schestowitz-TR like helping orgs embrace gmail [17:18] schestowitz-TR forget about PGP or any encrypton [17:18] schestowitz-TR that's "for geeks" [17:18] schestowitz-TR security is "Google promises..." [17:19] schestowitz-TR sometimes they need some "good data loss" [17:19] schestowitz-TR or "good breach" [17:19] schestowitz-TR to remind them where they TRULY stand [17:19] schestowitz-TR and sooner or later that does happen [17:20] schestowitz-TR (of course they then point a finger in the wrong direction) [17:20] schestowitz-TR like Microsoft blames "Iran" and "China" and "Russia"... because Windows is not secure [17:20] TR News 5 Best Linux-Libre Distributions for Better Security Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162627 [17:20] TR Bot 5 Best Linux-Libre Distributions for Better Security | Tux Machines [17:21] TR News NetBSD: let's take surveillance capitalism cash from Gulag https://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/the_netbsd_foundation_is_a [17:21] TR Bot NetBSD Blog [17:23] TR News Distro of GNU/Linux which supports Ukraine https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-foL80k-GV4 [17:23] TR Bot How to install Zorin OS 16.1 Core - Invidious [17:23] psydroid2 who is going to mentor them? [17:23] psydroid2 Benny Siegert? [17:23] psydroid2 https://archive.fosdem.org/2020/schedule/speaker/benny_siegert/ [17:23] TR Bot FOSDEM 2020 - Benny Siegert [17:24] SomeH4x0r > supports Ukraine | no, it is fucking paid GNU/Linux distribution afaik, fuck money [17:24] SomeH4x0r it needs to be obtained from third-party mirror [17:24] TR News "Looking for the last, best system monitor you could ever imagine for the GNU/Linux desktop? Jack Wallen is certain he's found that tool in System Monitoring Center." https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-install-best-system-monitors-for-linux-desktop/ Wallen is principled. We like him. [17:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-install-best-system-monitors-for-linux-desktop/ [17:24] TR Bot to install one of the best system monitors for the Linux desktop | TechRepublic [17:26] TR News Enterprise Linux Security Episode 21 - Nvidias [apparently Windows] Breach - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1LloL1qaZMs [17:26] TR Bot Enterprise Linux Security Episode 21 - Dirty Pipe & Nvidia's Breach - Invidious [17:29] TR News "Everyone knows that an application exit code should change based on the success, error or maybe warnings that happened during execution." https://abbbi.github.io//logging/ Michael Ablassmeier ought to leave Microsoft GitHub. Debian Devs don't belong in such a malicious proprietary platform in the NSA's bag. [17:29] TR Bot python logging messages and exit codes Michael Ablassmeier .. [17:30] TR News The new Board of Directors has started its two year term - The Document Foundation Blog https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/03/16/new-bod-two-year-term/ [17:30] TR Bot The new Board of Directors has started its two year term - The Document Foundation Blog [17:31] TR News A look at whats new in GNOME 42 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162628 [17:31] TR Bot A look at what's new in GNOME 42 | Tux Machines [17:33] TR News SafeZone is not safe https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/breaking-rsa-through-insufficiently-random-primes.html [17:33] TR Bot RSA through Insufficiently Random Primes - Schneier on Security [17:33] MinceR https://thecodinglove.com/when-our-sprint-is-close-to-end-and-i-am-late-on-my-tasks [17:33] TR Bot When our sprint is close to end and I am late on my tasks | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes [17:34] TR News This Extension Adds Network Speed as Desktop Widget in Ubuntu 21.10 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162629 [17:34] TR Bot This Extension Adds Network Speed as Desktop Widget in Ubuntu 21.10 | Tux Machines [17:36] TR News Introducing the AdmissionPolicy https://www.kubewarden.io/blog/2022/03/admission-policy/ [17:36] TR Bot Introducing the AdmissionPolicy [17:37] TR News 56% of Techrights code is Perl gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/sloc.gmi [17:40] TR News "When we announced Librem AweSIM our goal was simple: provide a cellular service that protected your privacy. Cellular providers in the US are creating unified customer identifiers so they can identify users across multiple devices and serve them relevant advertising." https://puri.sm/posts/announcing-librem-simple-an-affordable-cellular-plan-that-protects-your-privacy/ [17:40] TR Bot Announcing Librem SIMple: An Affordable Cellular Plan that Protects Your Privacy Purism [17:42] TR News "In this episode, Whitney is joined by Matthew Ehret to discuss how the Fabian Society and other groups developed a model for penetrating governments throughout the West and beyond long before the World Economic Forums Young Global Leaders program came into existence." https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/podcasts/fabians-and-fascists-with-matthew-ehret/ [17:42] Alternative link Cloudflare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/podcasts/fabians-and-fascists-with-matthew-ehret/ [17:42] TR Bot Fabians and Fascists with Matthew Ehret [17:43] TR News Wall Street keeps bankrolling dangerous surveillance tech. Congress must act - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/cellebrite-ipo/ [17:43] Alternative link Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/cellebrite-ipo/ [17:43] TR Bot Wall Street keeps bankrolling dangerous surveillance tech. Congress must act - Access Now [17:43] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162630 [17:43] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [17:45] TR News "For DTail 4, logging has been completely rewritten. The new package name is "internal/io/dlog". I rewrote the logging because DTail is a special case here: There are logs processed by DTail, there are logs produced by the DTail server itself, there are logs produced by a DTail client itself" gemini://foo.zone/gemfeed/2022-03-06-the-release-of-dtail-4.0.0.gmi [17:47] TR News Lagrange Android Alpha 6: "There is a new Android build of Lagrange that is based on the desktop v1.11 release." gemini://skyjake.fi/gemlog/2022-03_android-alpha6.gmi [17:47] TR News Open Hardware: Librem, Arduino, and RISC-V Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162631 [17:47] TR Bot Open Hardware: Librem, Arduino, and RISC-V | Tux Machines [17:48] TR News Lagrange v1.11: Multiple Windows: "While most of v1.10 was focused on the mobile variant, this release is very much centered on the desktop. The split view mode that was added back in v1.4 is now finally expanded to also support creation of additional windows." gemini://skyjake.fi/gemlog/2022-03_lagrange-1.11.gmi [17:50] TR News "We had been running some RasPi's in class for some collaborative local-access projects between a group of us, and I decided to purchase one for some experiments at home. These were really my first steps into a different relationship with software towards a creative hands-on approach through free software" gemini://subphase.xyz/users/flow/gemlog/30-raspi.gmi [17:52] TR News "Gemlog discussions have a certain stress-free nature. You can just make a post and not worry about any replies, or deal with them at your leisure after a week or a month. It's a slow, disengaged form of communication, amendable to an intermittently-offline way of life." gemini://skyjake.fi/gemlog/2022-02_re-gemlog-responses.gmi [17:53] TR News Weaponisation of computer science sucks. "What sort of future are we working towards? I don't like where this is going. I guess we all believe in total war, now." gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-02-27_Programmer_at_arms [17:55] TR News "When I think about digital or computational cultures in some near-distant futures, I can't figure out what that could or *should* look like. Does the extension of digitality drive a more commonly widespread software/coding literacy in our society? If so, what does that achieve?" gemini://subphase.xyz/users/flow/gemlog/28-computerfuture.gmi [17:55] *inky_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:56] TR News "My first goes at making a UI were in database packages like dBase. You could make menus, dialogs and other clickable things on an 80 by 25 text-only DOS screen. It seemed like a magical way to make software features discoverable and fun. Ooh, look, my popup has a drop shadow!" gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2021-11-20.gmi [17:57] TR News "A small number of people owning cars isn't that big of a deal but when most of the industrialized world has built itself around car ownership, suddenly it's this huge system that is self-perpetuating. Cities sprawl around roads." gemini://inconsistentuniverse.space/gemlog/2022-02-21-scaling.gmi [17:58] TR News "So I have a lot of sympathy for the concept of decentralized finance. The simplest way to summarize my politics is "anarchist" and people coming together to find ways to organize and exchange resources outside of a government issued currency, as supported by the private financial sector's special status for capitalist states, has a lot of appeal to me." gemini://inconsistentuniverse.space/gemlog/2022-02-25-defi.gmi [17:58] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 36.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.84 ● Mar 16 [18:02] TR News 'Im jumping directly to Offpunk 0.9 as a release candidate of Offpunk 1.0, which should be released next week. While there are many improvements that could be made, I believe Offpunk has reached some maturity with mainly bug fixes and small improvements since the 0.4 release." gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-03-05-offpunk09.gmi [18:04] *inky_ (~inky@37.252.89.148) has joined #techrights [18:04] *zleap has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:12] TR News Links 16/3/2022: Ubuntus New Logo and Godot 3.4.4 RC 2 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/godot-3-4-4-rc-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/godot-3-4-4-rc-2/ [18:13] TR Bot Links 16/3/2022: Ubuntus New Logo and Godot 3.4.4 RC 2 | Techrights [18:13] *hj88 (~519aa912@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [18:13] *hj88 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [18:14] TR News Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162632 [18:14] TR Bot Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:14] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162633 [18:14] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [18:23] TR News Remember: CLOWNFLARE is NOT free. They will charge more and more. Or alter limits. GULGATUBE is NOT free. Same for VIMEO. All of them can change costs (AWS/Clown is all about fee hikes with VENDOR LOCK-IN), threshold, visibility/tiering at ANY TIME. And you do NOT get to decline those changes. The only solution is to AVOID them RIGHT FROM THE START. [18:27] TR News "A few days ago (2022-03-14) was pi-day to celebrate the number pi (3.14). Some celebrate pi-day by making videos or similar content about this number. As I already found a few mathematicians on gemini, I was sure I would at least see one article about pi popping up on that day." gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/03/16/no-pi-day/ [18:29] TR News Midnight Pub in Geminispace reminds me a lot of OpenDiary in the 1990s in the sense that people write about their personal life in a sincere fashion. [18:48] MinceR https://thecodinglove.com/when-my-code-is-broken-but-sill-manages-to-do-the-work [18:48] TR Bot When my code is broken but sill manages to do the work | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes [18:49] TR News Worst COVID-19 Week in More Than 2 Months in the United Kingdom! http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/16/worst-covid-19-week-in-more-than-2-months-in-the-united-kingdom/ [18:49] TR Bot Blog Archive Worst COVID-19 Week in More Than 2 Months in the United Kingdom! [18:50] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:51] TR News Ubuntu Linux gets a new logo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162621#comment-33082 [18:51] TR Bot Ubuntu Has a Brand New Logo | Tux Machines [18:52] *inky_ (~inky@37.252.89.148) has joined #techrights [18:59] bnchs clownflare is free [18:59] bnchs because you pay with your user's data ● Mar 16 [19:01] schestowitz https://framatube.org/w/eHqvH5WPknnfXyQzKKN3cY [19:01] TR Bot Welcome address by the FSF - Sunday - Framatube [19:01] schestowitz https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/an-overview-of-threat-assessments-and-practical-steps-to-improve-privacy/ [19:01] TR Bot An Overview of Threat Assessments and Practical Steps to Improve Privacy GNU MediaGoblin [19:12] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:14] bnchs wow [19:14] bnchs libreplanet began? [19:14] TR News Video: Alice Monsen on How She Uses Free/Libre Software | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/alice-monsen-freesw-talk/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/alice-monsen-freesw-talk/ [19:14] TR Bot Video: Alice Monsen on How She Uses Free/Libre Software | Techrights [19:14] schestowitz-TR no, these are from last year [19:15] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162634 [19:15] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:16] *inky_ (~inky@5.77.159.73) has joined #techrights [19:21] TR News Can a triangle of tank tracks outperform omni wheels? | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/16/can-a-triangle-of-tank-tracks-outperform-omni-wheels/ [19:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/16/can-a-triangle-of-tank-tracks-outperform-omni-wheels/ [19:21] TR Bot Can a triangle of tank tracks outperform omni wheels? | Arduino Blog [19:24] TR News NordLocker is proprietary software and thus you should not trust what it does https://www.techrepublic.com/article/nordlocker-vs-veracrypt/ [19:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/nordlocker-vs-veracrypt/ [19:24] TR Bot NordLocker vs VeraCrypt | Encryption Software Comparison [19:29] TR News "I got the vaccine and kinda feel safe and sick at the same time." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/843 [19:30] TR News Heres how you can get all your day-to-day computing done with free software. Alice Monsen, 11, has given multiple talks at technical conferences and will go over more than 10 programs that will replace proprietary with free software. http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/alice-monsen-freesw-talk/ [19:34] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:36] TR News How Cobalt Strike Became a Favorite Tool of Hackers | eSecurityPlanet https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/how-cobalt-strike-became-a-favorite-tool-of-hackers/ [19:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: esecurityplanet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/how-cobalt-strike-became-a-favorite-tool-of-hackers/ [19:36] TR Bot Cobalt Strike Became a Favorite Tool of Hackers | eSecurityPlanet [19:36] TR News Candidates for the 2022 Debian project leader election Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162635 [19:36] TR Bot Candidates for the 2022 Debian project leader election | Tux Machines [19:37] MinceR (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/15/creative-design/ [19:37] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/15/creative-design/ [19:37] TR Bot People Are Sharing Creative Designs They Encountered In Everyday Life (50 Pics) [19:42] TR News There are AT LEAST 500 IRC networks that are SIGNIFICANT. IRC is not dead. https://netsplit.de/networks/ [19:42] TR Bot NO TITLE [19:42] SomeH4x0r define "significant" [19:42] schestowitz-TR >50 users online [19:42] SomeH4x0r do services count? [19:43] schestowitz-TR services add up [19:43] schestowitz-TR but not to the point of being a majority of 50 [19:43] SomeH4x0r also, there are some bridgebots which make a different connection for each user on the other side [19:43] schestowitz-TR we used to have a matric bridge [19:43] schestowitz-TR in freenode [19:43] schestowitz-TR those people rarely said anything [19:43] schestowitz-TR just lurking with a bouncer [19:44] bnchs yes [19:44] bnchs but don't use a discord bridge [19:44] schestowitz-TR at this moment #techrights at freenode has 17 users online [19:44] schestowitz-TR nobody ever says anything [19:44] MinceR mastix bridge [19:45] schestowitz-TR same in libre chat, which isn't even official at all [19:45] schestowitz-TR people can set up irc netowkr [19:45] schestowitz-TR fill them up with users and channels, but if nobody says anything, there's zero value to these [19:45] schestowitz-TR they just eat up energy/bandwidth [19:48] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:48] XFaCE https://hotdoglinux.com/ [19:48] TR Bot HOT DOG Linux [19:48] *inky_ (~inky@46.36.114.138) has joined #techrights [19:55] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@s6z2vtdssdmes.irc) has joined #techrights [19:56] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Pepsi is apparently suing six farmers in India for $150,000 each for growing the type of potato used in Lay's potato chips. [19:57] DaemonFC These sorts of GMO lawsuits are quite common in the United States. Monsanto was even caught deliberately contaminating fields with their seeds and then suing farmers for damages. [19:58] psydroid2 I hope Pepsi's CEO sets foot in India [19:58] psydroid2 and that someone shoots him [19:58] psydroid2 problem solved [19:59] DaemonFC Bill Gates is behind a lot of these GMO crops. [19:59] DaemonFC Hmm, so do we solve the droughts or plant corn that's 8% more resistant to droughts, where you have to buy patents every year? [19:59] schestowitz Windows mindset: "To complete setup, restart Linux. You can do this by right-clicking terminal, and then clicking "Shut down Linux". Now all you have to do is install some apps!" [19:59] DaemonFC Even if you lose the crop. [19:59] schestowitz https://flatpak.org/setup/Chrome%20OS [19:59] Alternative link Cloudflare: flatpak.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://flatpak.org/setup/Chrome%20OS [19:59] TR Bot Flatpakthe future of application distribution ● Mar 16 [20:00] SomeH4x0r Future? [20:00] SomeH4x0r fuck such future [20:00] SomeH4x0r hope a bomb drops [20:01] DaemonFC I know the farmers around here license software from IBM that's designed to predict weather patterns. [20:01] DaemonFC It claims it reduces crop losses by advising them about what to plant and when. [20:02] DaemonFC They bought the weather channel. [20:02] DaemonFC Now it can't even predict the weather an hour from now. [20:03] schestowitz-TR :D [20:03] schestowitz-TR here's a suggestion [20:03] schestowitz-TR drop ICBM [20:03] schestowitz-TR and predict long winter [20:03] DaemonFC There's little, if any, science behind weather prediction other than law of averages. [20:03] schestowitz-TR ... [20:03] schestowitz-TR 4) profit! [20:03] DaemonFC But those averages are moving. [20:04] DaemonFC So you have to anticipate things like carbon emissions and what that adds to the mix each year. [20:04] schestowitz-TR I am installing two new gemini clients [20:04] schestowitz-TR will review them in video [20:04] DaemonFC And it's not like you can move crops out of the way of tornadoes. [20:05] DaemonFC Hurricanes have major impacts on US rice production. We don't produce a lot of rice, but what we do produce mostly comes from Louisiana. [20:05] DaemonFC And they are getting hit with hurricanes the likes of which wouldn't have been possible in 1980. [20:05] ebin speaking of weather and gemini. i have recently started a new capsule gemini://weather.ix.tc/ [20:06] ebin it's a simple capsule with worldwide 5 forecasts [20:06] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, They don't want you to see how they grow crops. [20:07] DaemonFC In Huntington County, Indiana, the corn fields are literally a small dirt road about 12 feet wide between the edge of the corn and the county dump. [20:07] DaemonFC For a small fee, they let you go in and dump just about anything you want there. [20:08] DaemonFC So you can imagine what gets into the soil, and then moves over and contaminates the corn. [20:09] DaemonFC Someone complained that most of Illinois outside of Chicago is power plants and crops. And I said, "You say that like it's a bad thing. Where the hell is the power and food supposed to come from?". [20:09] DaemonFC It's usually not economical to put utility scale power generation or crops in a heavily populated area. [20:10] DaemonFC There's been some exhibits at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago about possible urban farming in skyscrapers. [20:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [20:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 31.11 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.86 [20:10] DaemonFC At first I thought "That's crazy, why would they build a skyscraper to be a giant greenhouse when we have a bunch of farmland?". [20:10] *CrystalMath (~coderain@nwgc6dvbmue4i.irc) has joined #techrights [20:10] DaemonFC Then I realized that after COVID, we've got 6 Sears Towers worth of empty offices. [20:11] DaemonFC If someone were to be smart enough to "defrag" the offices that are not going to close and convert the empty buildings to urban greenhouses, imagine all of the food they could produce. [20:12] DaemonFC Instead we have like, entire skyscrapers now where half the offices are empty and the rest are some shitty law firms or something that exist for "everybody v. everybody" lawsuits that produce nothing. [20:13] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I learned pretty fast that there's barely a difference in the quality of legal representation between a lawyer that wants $1,500 and one that wants $4,500, except the $4,500 one probably has an office in Chicago with a nice coffee machine. [20:14] DaemonFC It's all about impressing clients. It's client management. [20:14] schestowitz-TR bbiab [20:14] schestowitz-TR recording [20:15] DaemonFC Urban farming isn't ridiculous. If the real estate industry were smarter, they'd stop trying to block it. [20:15] DaemonFC Because otherwise, they have all of these half-empty skyscrapers that are not generating enough money for the square footage. [20:17] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [20:20] chicksahoy lawsuits are fun [20:20] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/willie-wilson-to-giveaway-200k-worth-of-gas-on-thursday/ [20:21] TR Bot Willie Wilson to give away $200K worth of gas on Thursday | WGN-TV [20:21] chicksahoy im in the legal profession [20:21] chicksahoy i sue businesses that discriminate against trans people [20:21] DaemonFC I wrote: "And after the first tank, how is anyone else supposed to get some gas? [20:21] DaemonFC If the Democrats control Washington much longer (much less Springfield), we'll need to redenominate the currency. 100 old dollars per new dollar." [20:25] bnchs hello? [20:25] DaemonFC Good thing the Supreme Court doesn't seem to be buying it. [20:25] bnchs chicksahoy, yes free money [20:25] DaemonFC Maybe you'll have to get honest work after they cut that to ribbons. [20:25] bnchs thats why you're a lawyer right [20:26] chicksahoy not quite a lawyer [20:26] DaemonFC You know, there's a million cake shops. [20:26] chicksahoy paralegals in ontario can represent clients as if they were a lawyer [20:26] DaemonFC The men in skirts go into the one they know a Christian will refuse to make a cake for them, and then they sue. [20:26] DaemonFC And the whole thing is a get rich quick scam. [20:27] chicksahoy DaemonFC: not true [20:27] chicksahoy you're being transphobic [20:27] bnchs also there's some problem [20:27] DaemonFC In Illinois, two gay men went to a bed and breakfast and demanded to have their wedding reception there. [20:27] bnchs have you ever met a transgender person [20:27] bnchs that sued a place simply because they mispronounced [20:27] chicksahoy bnchs: i am transgender [20:27] bnchs "pronoun" [20:28] bnchs mis pronoun [20:28] DaemonFC When they were told no, they filed a discrimination complaint and walked away with almost $90,000 the state took from the business owner. [20:28] bnchs chicksahoy, ok [20:28] DaemonFC There was obviously nowhere else in the state to have a wedding reception... [20:28] DaemonFC It's sleazy is what it is. [20:28] chicksahoy bnchs: i dont sue over misgendering, i usually just correct them [20:28] chicksahoy if they refuse after being corrected, thats grounds for a lawsuit [20:28] bnchs yeah well [20:28] DaemonFC "I reserve the right to refuse your business for any reason." should be the law of the land. [20:28] DaemonFC And I say that as a gay man. [20:28] DaemonFC And if I get turned away, so what? [20:29] chicksahoy the ontario human rights laws are pretty clear [20:29] bnchs it's pretty common to "misgender" [20:29] DaemonFC You think I want to go to a doctor who hates gay people and only serves me because they're afraid of a lawsuit? [20:29] bnchs because just from appearance [20:29] bnchs i can either tell you that you're a guy [20:29] bnchs or a girl [20:29] DaemonFC What might they do to harm me? [20:29] DaemonFC Will they "not notice" a tumor? [20:29] DaemonFC Even if they're not malicious, they're probably at least an idiot who doesn't believe in evolution. [20:29] bnchs and i can definitely not tell other "non-binary" genders [20:30] chicksahoy i usually have a quick chat with management and the problem goes away [20:30] DaemonFC Passing anti-discrimination laws doesn't get rid of discrimination and it doesn't get rid of bigots. [20:30] DaemonFC They can say they declined your business for 100 other reasons, all of which are legal. [20:30] bnchs chicksahoy, well thats great [20:31] DaemonFC An apartment declined to rent to us and we're an interracial gay married couple and he's an immigrant. [20:31] bnchs usually people would throw a fit after being misgendered [20:31] DaemonFC They kept coming up with reasons. [20:31] bnchs or deadnamed [20:31] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:31] DaemonFC Making "mistakes" that led to our credit report being declined over and over again. [20:31] chicksahoy i used to throw fits but im 5 years into my transition now, im a lot more chill about it [20:32] DaemonFC Then called the police and lied and said I threatened them when I got annoyed and said they were doing this on purpose. [20:32] DaemonFC I complained to the Attorney General's office, and nothing happened. [20:32] chicksahoy im not gonna sue roy because daemonfc is transphobic [20:32] bnchs daemonfc is racist aswell [20:32] DaemonFC Could I sue? Maybe. Would I win? I'd have to prove they hated us for being gay, married, interracial, or him being an immigrant. [20:32] chicksahoy lol [20:32] bnchs just the usual [20:32] bnchs and i don't care [20:32] chicksahoy DaemonFC: proof is key [20:33] DaemonFC I'm very racist. I married an immigrant that's not white. [20:33] bnchs more like everyday you bitch about black people [20:33] DaemonFC In fact, out of the past 5 relationships (defined by at least dating someone for a while) I've been in 1 was white. [20:34] chicksahoy a black person could sue roy because daemonfc talks smack about them [20:34] chicksahoy roy even keeps chat logs [20:34] bnchs lol [20:34] DaemonFC Out of my sex partners? I'd estimate that about maybe 30% of them were non-Hispanic white even though I spent most of my life living in a state where 92% of the population was non-Hispanic White. [20:34] DaemonFC Those are some real good statistics for accusing me of racism. [20:34] bnchs chicksahoy, theres something called section 230 [20:34] chicksahoy section 230? [20:35] bnchs "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." [20:35] chicksahoy oh that doesnt apply in ontario [20:35] DaemonFC Nobody can sue me for saying I lock my car doors when I see black teenagers coming. [20:35] DaemonFC It's not illegal. [20:35] DaemonFC It's not even grounds for a lawsuit. [20:36] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: siren) [20:36] chicksahoy ill correct myself, a black person in ontario could sue [20:36] DaemonFC Well, it is, but you'd lose immediately. [20:36] bnchs chicksahoy, depends on which state this server is hosted in [20:36] bnchs and whether section 230 applies [20:36] chicksahoy that doesnt matter [20:36] bnchs or am i wrong? [20:36] chicksahoy if i sue in my jurisdiction (ontario) then my laws apply [20:37] chicksahoy does Roy run this irc server? [20:37] bnchs no it's hosted in UK i think [20:37] bnchs yes he does [20:37] bnchs but i think he's not the one who hosts it [20:37] chicksahoy the irc server is available to people in ontario [20:37] bnchs and? [20:37] chicksahoy doesnt matter where its hosted, the tribunal doesnt care [20:38] bnchs no thats dumb [20:38] chicksahoy a service thats available to people in ontario has to follow these laws [20:38] bnchs you can't drag your country's laws into a server hosted in another country [20:38] bnchs chicksahoy, or else? [20:38] chicksahoy buddy, i sued plenty of fish and they're american [20:38] bnchs roy is british [20:39] bnchs he lives in UK [20:39] chicksahoy the lawsuit would be in ontario [20:39] chicksahoy i dont have to file it where they live [20:39] bnchs i dont know but that seems dumb [20:39] bnchs as long as the server follows the country of origin's laws [20:39] DaemonFC if i sue in my jurisdiction (ontario) then my laws apply [20:39] bnchs there's nothing illegal [20:39] DaemonFC You're wronge. [20:40] DaemonFC *wrong [20:40] chicksahoy im not wrong [20:40] DaemonFC You'd have to sue me where I live. [20:40] bnchs ^ [20:40] bnchs you can't drag another state's laws into another [20:40] DaemonFC Canadian judgments don't mean anything to me. [20:40] chicksahoy thats for a lawsuit, but the HRTO is a tribunal [20:40] DaemonFC Sue all you want. [20:40] bnchs and i'm pretty sure you would be extremely lucky [20:40] DaemonFC You can't serve a judgment from a foreign court onto me and garnish anything. [20:41] bnchs if your case doesn't get thrown out [20:41] bnchs heres an example [20:41] chicksahoy i've litigated against american companies and all that matters is whether or not their service is available to people in ontario [20:42] bnchs if you sue from zimbabwen [20:42] bnchs to america [20:42] bnchs does zimbabwen laws apply? [20:42] bnchs does their shitty laws apply to the case [20:42] bnchs and will the company go bankrupt in fact [20:42] DaemonFC I don't have any assets in Ontario. [20:42] chicksahoy it depends on whether or not zimbabwe has laws that don't care about jurisdiction [20:43] chicksahoy ill agree on one thing, collecting a judgement against an american would be hard [20:43] DaemonFC No Illinois court is going to enforce a judgment from an Ontario court on an Illinois resident. [20:43] bnchs then how about this [20:43] bnchs roy k-lines everyone from ontario [20:44] bnchs no lawsuit [20:44] chicksahoy fair enough, he could do that [20:44] chicksahoy might be a good idea [20:44] DaemonFC Even if you're in the US and suing someone else in the US, you have to sue them in their jurisdiction, usually, unless it's a federal lawsuit. [20:44] bnchs but he's not gonna do that [20:44] bnchs because he's in the UK [20:44] chicksahoy i could get a court order to block a service in ontario tho [20:44] bnchs and his site and this irc server is british [20:45] bnchs not american [20:45] DaemonFC Even then, you can file to have the case removed from a federal court in their jurisdiction to yours to make the lawsuit harder for them to tend to. [20:45] bnchs chicksahoy, nice internet freedom you guys got [20:45] chicksahoy freedom to discriminate isn't legal [20:45] bnchs is 4chan blocked in ontario [20:45] chicksahoy no [20:46] bnchs why isn't it [20:46] chicksahoy nobody sued 4chan [20:46] bnchs there's users discriminating against races in 4chan [20:46] chicksahoy i could sue facebook for not doing anything about transphobic comments but it would take years and i dont care enough [20:47] bnchs because all you gonna get [20:47] bnchs is websites banning ontario [20:47] bnchs and you're gonna be known as the party shitter [20:47] *kingoffrance has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:47] chicksahoy only because enforcing a judgement would be hard [20:47] bnchs the guy who ruins fun [20:47] *x_ (~x__@4mmu4fx6g3jvs.irc) has joined #techrights [20:47] chicksahoy the girl who ruins illegal fun [20:48] ebin were gonna play the sue me, sue you blues [20:48] bnchs no because you sue an entire site just for one user [20:48] bnchs who isn't doing any harm [20:48] chicksahoy https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h19 [20:48] TR Bot Document English View | Ontario.ca [20:48] chicksahoy 1 Every person has a right to equal treatment with respect to services, goods and facilities, without discrimination because of race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, age, marital status, family status or disability. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.19, s. 1; 1999, c. 6, s. 28 (1); 2001, c. 32, s. 27 (1); 2005, c. [20:48] chicksahoy 5, s. 32 (1); 2012, c. 7, s. 1. [20:49] bnchs yes [20:49] bnchs but this is a irc server [20:49] bnchs messages here don't harm you [20:49] bnchs they're just a bunch of bytes [20:49] chicksahoy thats why i dont sue roy, i dont care [20:49] chicksahoy technically someone could, thats all im saying [20:49] bnchs "equal treatment with respect to services, goods and facilities" [20:50] bnchs does me saying i hate black people [20:50] chicksahoy im not black [20:50] bnchs prohibit you from "goods and facilities" [20:50] bnchs prohibit black people from "goods and facilites" [20:50] chicksahoy services [20:50] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [20:50] bnchs yes [20:50] bnchs what services [20:51] chicksahoy providing an irc server is a service [20:51] bnchs yes [20:51] chicksahoy 9 No person shall infringe or do, directly or indirectly, anything that infringes a right under this Part. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.19, s. 9. [20:51] bnchs but i don't k-line you because you're transgender [20:51] bnchs theres a difference [20:51] bnchs from being mocked [20:51] bnchs and being klined [20:52] chicksahoy being mocked is considered harassment under the code [20:52] bnchs yes but does it prohibit you from services? [20:53] chicksahoy its harassment while using the service [20:53] chicksahoy the service provider has a duty to prevent all that [20:54] bnchs does it prohibit you from services? [20:54] chicksahoy no [20:54] bnchs then how does it count [20:54] chicksahoy because there was harassment while using the service [20:55] chicksahoy a service provider has a duty to make sure its users dont do that [20:55] bnchs you can say that about every website [20:55] chicksahoy exactly, i can [20:55] bnchs then how does the law count [20:55] chicksahoy thats why i was able to sue plenty of fish for the content of its users [20:55] bnchs have you only sued american companies [20:55] chicksahoy i've sued one american company [20:56] bnchs well this is a british server [20:56] chicksahoy also, its not for a lot of money [20:56] bnchs again [20:56] chicksahoy most of the time you only get a judgement for $5000 [20:56] bnchs i'm pretty sure ontario laws dont apply [20:56] bnchs in british [20:56] chicksahoy these laws do [20:56] bnchs can you cite a reference about that? [20:57] chicksahoy are you legally trained? [20:57] bnchs no [20:57] bnchs but i'm pretty sure american laws [20:57] bnchs don't apply in british laws [20:58] bnchs websites outsource their servers to a country with permissive laws [20:58] bnchs because of that [20:58] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:58] MinceR https://thecodinglove.com/when-one-of-our-continuous-delivery-scripts-doesnt-work-anymore [20:58] TR Bot When one of our continuous delivery scripts doesnt work anymore | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes [20:58] chicksahoy if what you were saying is true, companies in canada would just put their servers outside canada and be immune to our laws [20:59] chicksahoy https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/code_grounds/gender_identity [20:59] TR Bot Gender identity and gender expression | Ontario Human Rights Commission [20:59] bnchs techrights is not american? [20:59] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:59] chicksahoy it doesn't fucking matter where the service is if its available to people in ontario ● Mar 16 [21:00] bnchs yes well [21:00] bnchs that seems stupid again [21:00] chicksahoy maybe to you [21:00] bnchs i don't know what kind of state you guys have [21:00] bnchs chicksahoy, ok maybe sue kiwi farms [21:01] bnchs they discriminate against transgender and black people everyday [21:01] bnchs and they're an american LLC [21:01] chicksahoy im not touching kiwi farms [21:02] bnchs kiwi farms got sued many times [21:02] bnchs and most of the cases were dismissed because section 230 [21:02] chicksahoy technically i could go after them but then they would have my name and their members would likely stalk me [21:03] chicksahoy i think it would be better to approach them and ask them to make their site unavailable in ontario, canada [21:04] bnchs yeah [21:04] bnchs and he will likely post your email [21:04] chicksahoy i dont want to get stalked for $5000 [21:04] bnchs publicly [21:05] chicksahoy i could use an anonymous email provider like protonmail [21:05] bnchs well ok [21:05] chicksahoy if i actually sued them they'd likely post my name and address [21:05] chicksahoy its not worth it [21:05] chicksahoy i see what they do to transgender people [21:06] chicksahoy i'd probably even get my own forum there [21:06] bnchs anyway i still like to see daemonfc bitch about black people [21:06] bnchs chicksahoy, they'll find out every bit about you [21:06] chicksahoy that just makes the channel look bad [21:06] chicksahoy i saw roy discipline daemonfc earlier today [21:07] bnchs yeah [21:08] chicksahoy ill give you another example [21:08] chicksahoy Facebook [21:08] chicksahoy https://www.priv.gc.ca/en/opc-actions-and-decisions/investigations/investigations-into-businesses/2019/pipeda-2019-002/ [21:08] TR Bot PIPEDA Findings #2019-002: Joint investigation of Facebook, Inc. by the Privacy Commissioner of Canada and the Information and Privacy Commissioner for British Columbia - Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada [21:08] bnchs thats the privacy commissioner [21:08] chicksahoy PIPEDA is a canadian law tho [21:09] bnchs chicksahoy, well what i like about people being racist and shit, is that they're execrising their freedom of speech [21:09] chicksahoy freedom of speech isn't absolute [21:09] bnchs i don't like their opinion [21:09] chicksahoy theres always some law that gets in the way of your "fun" [21:10] bnchs yeah well [21:10] bnchs the thing is nobody should care about "hate speech" [21:11] bnchs as long as they don't discriminate people against services and goods [21:11] bnchs and shit [21:11] bnchs rather than just a bunch of bytes rendered on a screen [21:12] bnchs anyway gn [21:14] chicksahoy gn [21:16] chicksahoy https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/gender-identity-and-gender-expression-brochure [21:16] TR Bot Gender identity and gender expression (brochure) | Ontario Human Rights Commission [21:17] chicksahoy Harassment is a form of discrimination. It can include sexually explicit or other inappropriate comments, questions, jokes, name-calling, images, email and social media, transphobic, homophobic or other bullying, sexual advances, touching and other unwelcome and ongoing behaviour that insults, demeans, harms or threatens a person in some way. Assault or other violent behaviour is also a criminal [21:17] chicksahoy matter. Trans people and other persons can experience harassing behaviour because of their gender identity or expression (gender-based harassment) and/or their sex (sexual harassment). [21:18] bnchs wait "jokes"? [21:18] bnchs you mean i can't make jokes about trans? [21:18] chicksahoy correct [21:18] bnchs there goes dark humor [21:18] MinceR all jokes are offensive [21:18] MinceR SJWs are enemies of all humor [21:19] chicksahoy if i had my own law firm it would be called "Social Justice Warriors" [21:19] bnchs i like dark humor though [21:19] bnchs and "offensive" jokes [21:19] bnchs because they're really funny [21:19] MinceR maybe someone will try to cancel you for it one day [21:21] TR News [Meme] IBM: FSF Bad, Microsoft Good | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/meme-ibm-fsf-bad-microsoft-good/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/meme-ibm-fsf-bad-microsoft-good/ [21:21] TR Bot [Meme] IBM: FSF Bad, Microsoft Good | Techrights [21:21] chicksahoy Microsoft is trash [21:26] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162636 [21:26] TR Bot Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [21:29] TR News Linux Foundation is a political party https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/statement-against-texas-discrimination/ [21:29] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/statement-against-texas-discrimination/ [21:29] TR Bot STATEMENT AGAINST TEXAS DISCRIMINATION - Linux Foundation [21:29] TR News #gitlab = nationalism. First racism against Persian, now Russian. Are they hoping for financial turnaround (they operate at a loss) by the "too big to fail" route? https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/672 [21:29] TR Bot Wartime Roundtable [21:29] TR News Linux Foundation... SOOOO... woke http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/ [21:29] TR Bot Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its Support for the Black Community | Techrights [21:30] DaemonFC https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/15/lake-county-sheriffs-canine-tracks-down-bites-suspect-who-tried-stealing-catalytic-converters-in-beach-park/ [21:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: lakemchenryscanner.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/15/lake-county-sheriffs-canine-tracks-down-bites-suspect-who-tried-stealing-catalytic-converters-in-beach-park/ [21:30] TR Bot Lake County sheriff's canine tracks down, bites suspect who tried stealing catalytic converters in Beach Park [21:30] DaemonFC Good dog! [21:30] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/17091515 [21:30] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/ffrqock6n2jz.jpg created on 2017-09-15 07:05:09.280573 [21:31] TR News It is worth noting that signing on behalf of the Linux Foundation right now is a full time (100%) Microsoft employee. Linux? No. Windows Foundation. [21:32] bnchs linux foundation [21:32] schestowitz-TR 'linux' [21:32] schestowitz-TR run by Microsoft [21:32] schestowitz-TR nontechnical person [21:33] mjg59_ (not run by Microsoft) [21:33] schestowitz-TR working for Microsoft [21:33] schestowitz-TR LF= infiltrated [21:33] bnchs absolutely no contributions [21:33] bnchs other than having their name in a USB root hub module [21:33] bnchs which was because some "company" took the dummy ID (0000:0000) [21:33] schestowitz-TR the mission is almost fully accomplished by now [21:33] schestowitz-TR Linux... by name only [21:33] bnchs just remember that one opensuse developer [21:33] mjg59_ No contributions other than funding a lot of development work [21:33] bnchs who thought giving the linux foundation name to the USB root hub [21:33] TR News Alpine 3.15.1 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162637 [21:34] bnchs because 0000:0000 was taken [21:34] TR Bot Alpine 3.15.1 released | Tux Machines [21:34] bnchs in 2009 [21:34] bnchs or something [21:34] schestowitz-TR I see we have people in this IRC network whose principal contribution in Microsoft boot-licking [21:34] schestowitz-TR but that's OK, I'm not surprised there [21:35] mjg59_ The LF is a corporate funded entity that doesn't care about community beyond what increases their ability to rake in money [21:35] mjg59_ But that doesn't mean they've contributed nothing [21:35] TR News Steven Vaughan-Nichols has been reduced to writing obligatory SPAM for his sponsor, basically peddling a diploma mill https://www.zdnet.com/education/bootcamps/linux-foundation-and-cncf-launch-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp/ [21:35] TR Bot Foundation and CNCF launch Cloud-Native Developer Bootcamp | ZDNet [21:36] MinceR they pretended to care, took money from individuals, took over Linux, then kicked out the individual members [21:36] bnchs mjg59_, what did they contribute [21:36] bnchs other than giving little money to kernel development [21:36] bnchs peanuts [21:36] chicksahoy don't they pay Linus's salary? [21:37] mjg59_ Yes [21:37] mjg59_ They sponsored CUPS development for years [21:37] TR News My wife on Linux Foundation (seconds ago). "They should be ashamed using the word "Linux"... they have NOTHING to do with Linux" [21:37] mjg59_ They've contributed funding to many projects [21:37] MinceR they paid for the development of a kernelspace SMB server that nobody wanted [21:38] mjg59_ Yeah that's somewhat bewildering [21:38] MinceR what's actually bewildering to me is that kernel hackers just let all this happen [21:38] chicksahoy that might be for ZFS [21:38] chicksahoy on solaris, ZFS has access to a kernelspace SMB server [21:39] bnchs hosting a server on the kernel [21:39] bnchs what could POSSIBLY go wrong? [21:39] chicksahoy it made sense for solaris [21:39] chicksahoy zfs sharesmb=on [21:39] mjg59_ bnchs: It's already done for NFS [21:39] mjg59_ We've been using kNFS for about 20 years? [21:40] MinceR at least NFS isn't a toy protocol like SMB/CIFS is [21:40] bnchs i thought SMB is microsoft property [21:41] MinceR it kind of is [21:41] MinceR someone else came up with it, then MICROS~1 took over it [21:41] mjg59_ The SMB spec is public now, though it wasn't for a long time [21:42] chicksahoy thanks to EU law right [21:46] *bnchs (~bnchs@5hr7xjkfvrhxe.irc) has left #techrights (gn) [21:48] schestowitz-TR Microsoft: [21:49] schestowitz-TR 1) we are a nice company [21:49] schestowitz-TR 2) we broke the law [21:49] schestowitz-TR 3) we were found guilty [21:49] schestowitz-TR 4) we take years to actually obey orders [21:49] schestowitz-TR see (1)\ [21:49] schestowitz-TR Microsoft = nice company!! [21:49] schestowitz-TR Epstein. Nice guy. Went to prison to do the time. [21:51] TR News Do not for a second think that GitHub and GitLab are inclusive. They implement RACIST policies for the US government. Free software is inclusive. GitLab and GitHub are proprietary and racist. http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/github-is-racism/ [21:51] TR Bot GitHub is Racism | Techrights [21:51] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162638 [21:51] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:52] TR News Valve Wont Support Windows On Steam Deck - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z_zWswQTHO8 [21:52] TR Bot Valve Won't Support Windows On Steam Deck - Invidious [21:52] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@bsgdwgkyty4d4.irc) has joined #techrights [21:52] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:53] TR News "The Hand of Glory, a point and click adventure from Madit Entertainment / Daring Touch has released an official GNU/Linux build. With it now available, the game is on a 55% discount until March 26, a good time to show support for another indie developer." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/the-hand-of-glory-adventure-game-gets-an-official-linux-port [21:53] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/the-hand-of-glory-adventure-game-gets-an-official-linux-port [21:53] TR Bot Hand of Glory adventure game gets an official Linux port | GamingOnLinux [21:54] TR News The Device Divide is Hurting Americans. Heres How We Solve It. - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/the-device-divide-is-hurting-americans-heres-how-we-solve-it/ for starters, QUIT striving to make EVERYTHING "digital". It already harms many things, inc. elections (need paper trial). [21:54] TR Bot The Device Divide is Hurting Americans. Heres How We Solve It. - Public Knowledge [21:54] AdmFubar they're cutting their arms off? https://www.windowscentral.com/arm-will-cut-15-its-workers-following-failed-acquisition-nvidia [21:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: windowscentral.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowscentral.com/arm-will-cut-15-its-workers-following-failed-acquisition-nvidia [21:54] TR Bot Arm will cut up to 15% of its workers following failed acquisition by NVIDIA, says report | Windows Central [21:55] TR News When you toss too many things into a kernel https://www.itworldcanada.com/post/researcher-uncover-dangerous-linux-netfilter-bug [21:55] TR Bot Researcher Uncover Dangerous Linux Netfilter Bug - IT World Canada [21:56] DaemonFC I don't get the practicality of accepting Yuan as payment for oil. [21:56] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: good [21:56] schestowitz-TR less production and fewer sales [21:57] schestowitz-TR reuse, recycle [21:57] DaemonFC There's still a Dollar Peg that the Chinese are intent on maintaining for now. [21:57] DaemonFC And I doubt it would go away soon. [21:57] DaemonFC I suspect that the percentage share of world reserve currencies will move further away from the Euro. [21:58] DaemonFC There's not much of a real economy there. It's "service" economy crap with 40% youth unemployment in most of the Eurozone. [21:58] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 52.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.89 [21:59] DaemonFC It generally inherited its marketshare from the French and German currencies before it and hasn't budged a lot since. [21:59] TR News Zorin OS 16.1 Released with a New Kernel For Better Hardware Compatibility http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162392#comment-33085 [21:59] TR Bot Zorin OS 16.1 is Here, Creators to Donate All Profits from Zorin OS Pro to Aid Ukraine | Tux Machines ● Mar 16 [22:00] TR News "Those of you in-the-know are well aware that Zink has always had a crippling addiction to seamless cubemaps. Specifically, Vulkan doesnt support non-seamless cubemaps since nobody wants those anymore, but this is the default mode of sampling for OpenGL." https://www.supergoodcode.com/cubism/ [22:00] TR Bot Cubism Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code. [22:01] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:01] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22031568 [22:01] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/ij4c93yvvhm81.jpg created on 2022-03-15 22:09:48.638766 [22:03] TR News Mozilla Performance Blog: Performance Sheriff Newsletter (January 2022) https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/03/16/performance-sheriff-newsletter-january-2022/ [22:03] Alternative link Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/03/16/performance-sheriff-newsletter-january-2022/ [22:03] TR Bot Performance Sheriff Newsletter (January 2022) Mozilla Performance [22:06] *matey (~matey@uyycfdpcfwkrc.irc) has joined #techrights [22:06] *matey has quit (Quit) [22:06] TR News IBM (or ICBM as we increasingly call it) isnt fighting for Software Freedom; heck, sometimes it actively helps Microsoft and Microsofts proprietary software agenda http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/meme-ibm-fsf-bad-microsoft-good/ [22:06] TR Bot [Meme] IBM: FSF Bad, Microsoft Good | Techrights [22:07] *matey (~matey@uyycfdpcfwkrc.irc) has joined #techrights [22:08] chicksahoy ICBM lol [22:09] matey schestowitz-TR | the mission is almost fully accomplished by now | Linux... by name only [22:09] matey almost [22:09] schestowitz-TR the stance or [psoition is [22:09] matey we can still watch it flail [22:09] schestowitz-TR as per their site [22:09] schestowitz-TR they are not limited to Linux anymore [22:10] schestowitz-TR they are not openly pro-Windows, yet... [22:10] schestowitz-TR That statement was composed for LF bya a former Microsoft employee [22:10] schestowitz-TR JPerlow [22:10] matey ibrepe is like that too [22:10] matey its not limited to free software [22:11] schestowitz-TR they are promoting rivals of Linux [22:11] schestowitz-TR but mstill use "Linux" in their name [22:11] matey first linux co-opted gnu [22:11] matey now lf co-opts linux [22:12] matey then microsoft co-opts lf. its like russian nesting dolls of bullshit [22:12] schestowitz-TR they say LF now [22:12] schestowitz-TR not "Linux" [22:12] schestowitz-TR everything becomes "LF" [22:12] schestowitz-TR "Linux F*ed" [22:12] matey linus was a sellout, open source eats their own [22:12] matey he wasnt the worst sellout, thats why they got him [22:12] schestowitz-TR osi is mirosoft now [22:12] matey theres always one with less integrity [22:13] schestowitz-TR that's the way to get promote [22:13] schestowitz-TR d [22:13] schestowitz-TR the virtue is the lack of integrity [22:13] matey log in, turn on, sell out [22:13] schestowitz-TR than come the corporate bucks [22:13] schestowitz-TR to shoehorn that one into the authority [22:14] matey i spent a lot of years getting away from non-free stuff. not to just hand all the keys back to ibm and microsoft, thanks [22:14] matey theyre like that creepy ex that just wont leave you and your family alone [22:14] matey so they get a job working for your next door neighbour or something [22:14] matey so you still have to see them everyday-- and theres no other reason for it [22:15] schestowitz-TR neighbour sounds benign [22:15] schestowitz-TR neighbours don't bomkb people; [22:15] matey thats because the neighbour is innocent [22:15] schestowitz-TR IBM does nukes [22:15] schestowitz-TR Microsoft does lots of army shiot [22:15] matey ibm isnt the neighbour, i suppose the linux kernel is the neighbour [22:16] matey or some other free software project [22:16] matey microsoft and ibm are the people who wont leave [22:16] matey first they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they fund you, then you lose [22:17] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:17] matey its not that bad, its not that hopeless. its close enough. [22:17] matey its pretty bad [22:17] matey if it were quite as bad as that there would be no point in fighting them [22:18] matey i dont believe that though [22:21] matey part of it is "our fault" for trusting them and letting them in this far [22:21] TR News Gerbil and Molasses: Two More Gemini (and Gopher) Clients That Are Actively Developed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/gerbil-and-molasses/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/gerbil-and-molasses/ [22:21] TR Bot Gerbil and Molasses: Two More Gemini (and Gopher) Clients That Are Actively Developed | Techrights [22:22] matey scarequotes because that wasnt a consensus move, and it happened over many years-- and it was deliberate on their part [22:22] TR News Purism Launches Librem SIMple: A Cellular Service that Protects Digital Privacy http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162631#comment-33086 [22:22] TR Bot Open Hardware: Librem, Arduino, and RISC-V | Tux Machines [22:22] TR News Gerbil and Molasses: Two More Gemini (and Gopher) Clients That Are Actively Developed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/gerbil-and-molasses/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/gerbil-and-molasses/ [22:22] matey get us to trust them, then go ahead and take over [22:22] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@cvzavd64njpaw.irc) has joined #techrights [22:22] matey same as the trojan war [22:23] schestowitz-TR similar, yes [22:23] schestowitz-TR but that Troy story is not real [22:23] matey im not surprised [22:23] matey its a useful allegory [22:23] schestowitz-TR The horse here cannot even speak good English [22:23] matey plus these are companies that use those tactics, so even if it was fake then its real now [22:23] schestowitz-TR and has no experience or pedigree in the community [22:23] schestowitz-TR Microsoft shill for decades [22:23] matey are we talking abot swapnil? [22:23] schestowitz-TR openly corrupt people invite in such horses [22:24] schestowitz-TR matey: not spamnil [22:24] matey openly corrupt people invite in such horses <- yes but the community accepts them too. i blame the horse primarily [22:24] schestowitz-TR ibm and microsoft ceos incidentally have similar accent [22:25] matey lots of indians are trilingual if not more [22:25] matey now you mean nadella [22:25] schestowitz-TR he is sexist, too [22:25] matey oh absolutely [22:25] schestowitz-TR but the moles don't mind sexism [22:25] matey hes very conservative socially [22:25] schestowitz-TR they just accuse _us_ of it [22:25] schestowitz-TR even if their masters are very very sexist [22:25] matey thats how it goes. one rule for rulers, another for the ruled [22:26] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/trolling-the-real-community/ [22:26] TR Bot The Biggest Troll is the Linux Foundation, Still Looking to Provoke and Defame Free Software Communities in Order to Help a Monopolistic Takeover and to Shoehorn Tyrants Into Leadership Positions | Techrights [22:26] schestowitz they try to induce shameand self-loathing [22:26] schestowitz or inner conflict [22:26] schestowitz dividing people [22:26] schestowitz old tactics [22:26] matey whats the point of making the rules if you cant put yourself above them? [22:26] *x_ is now known as kingoffrance [22:26] schestowitz nbritish were not the first to do it [22:26] matey romans did it before britain? [22:27] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/russia-history-ibm/ [22:27] TR Bot IBM and Red Hat Boycott Russia and Belarus, But IBMs History Tells a Different Story | Techrights [22:27] schestowitz matey: don't know [22:27] schestowitz don't know romas history well [22:27] kingoffrance "its like russian nesting dolls of bullshit" lol yes [22:27] schestowitz or persian empie [22:27] schestowitz or Ottoman [22:27] matey im sure some of them did [22:27] schestowitz but be worried when Microsoft ships us lots of opium through indians [22:28] schestowitz that's another British tactis [22:28] schestowitz for occupation [22:28] matey yep [22:28] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_wars [22:28] TR Bot Opium Wars - Wikipedia [22:28] kingoffrance "but that Troy story is not real" im sure its astrology... [22:28] matey funnily enough, the east india company wasnt even interested in conquest (in that sense of the word) just business [22:28] matey but britain saw an opportunity, to say the very least [22:29] matey and the east india company was the means [22:29] schestowitz-TR well, anyway [22:29] schestowitz-TR if we are governed by a bunch oif stoners [22:29] schestowitz-TR or if we are brainwsashesd [22:29] schestowitz-TR sedated [22:29] schestowitz-TR kool-aid [22:29] matey today its a lot different, if a company can hijack the government to literally take over new markets in other lands, they will [22:29] schestowitz-TR e.g. "tech" media [22:29] schestowitz-TR that's a problem [22:29] schestowitz-TR it makes the invasion swifter [22:30] kingoffrance when you said sophist who plays with words (paraphrase) im more and more convinced thats what most things boil down to matey :) [22:30] matey "marketing" [22:30] matey its the word of the century [22:31] kingoffrance LANGUAGE, n. The music with which we charm the serpents guarding another's treasure. and the previous century, and the ... :) [22:31] matey i dont know about every century [22:31] TR News Today Linux Foundation published "STATEMENT AGAINST TEXAS DISCRIMINATION". It needs to explain this: http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/linux-foundation-microsoft-outsourcing/ [22:31] TR Bot People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because Its Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | Techrights [22:31] matey it certainly has a hold on people [22:31] TR News The Linux Foundation Does Not Truly Care About Diversity and Inclusion, Its Just Using That Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/15/lf-diversity-and-inclusion/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/15/lf-diversity-and-inclusion/ [22:31] TR Bot The Linux Foundation Does Not Truly Care About Diversity and Inclusion, Its Just Using That | Techrights [22:32] matey "the priest" is an older example [22:32] matey prince? [22:32] matey slip of the tongue maybe [22:32] matey the prince [22:32] matey im keeping it though [22:32] schestowitz-TR princeofprance :-) [22:33] matey someone you know? [22:33] MinceR (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-15-22-18.jpg [22:33] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-15-22-18.jpg [22:33] psydroid2 princedefrance [22:33] psydroid2 PDF [22:33] matey ohhh [22:33] MinceR Planetary Defense Force [22:34] *techrights-news has quit (readQ exceeded (read too many bytes without terminating newline)) [22:34] schestowitz-TR Portable D* F* [22:35] matey i meant il principe by machiavelli [22:35] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [22:35] TR News Linux Foundation Spam, Microsoft Representation, and Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162639 [22:35] TR Bot Linux Foundation Spam, Microsoft Representation, and Fluff | Tux Machines [22:35] MinceR "portable" document format [22:35] matey you can put it on a usb drive and thats portable [22:36] matey you can extract some of the strings out of it, and if youre really lucky you can get some images [22:36] matey b [22:36] matey ut you k [22:36] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [22:36] matey now it might look like this [22:37] chicksahoy PDF works fine on my linux boxes [22:37] matey its like the ntfs of document formats. sure there are readers, even writers, but its practically non-free anyway [22:37] chicksahoy libreoffice even has export to PDF [22:37] matey and inkscape has import [22:37] matey but its a mess [22:38] schestowitz-TR :/ [22:38] matey its better than nothing [22:38] schestowitz-TR pdf does not have much advantages [22:38] matey it just doesnt convert well [22:38] chicksahoy whats better than pdf? [22:38] schestowitz-TR and it assumes you want to print stuff [22:38] MinceR i have pdf-s in which the capital 'A' in a particular font will only render in adobe's software [22:38] schestowitz-TR PDF for information is like "apps" for mobile [22:38] matey document formats are like web browsers, theyve all jumped the shark and they pretty much all suck [22:38] MinceR because it's "portable" [22:38] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:39] schestowitz-TR you make the wrong assumption, e.g. that your web site will be accessed by a "phone" or the reader needs pagination [22:39] matey ignore the fact that microsoft deliberately sought to sabotage them [22:39] MinceR and adobe's software re-renders the entire page every time you scroll, and only retains the tiny sliver that was exposed by scrolling [22:39] MinceR so it's an utter pain to use [22:39] kingoffrance https://github.com/modula3/cm3 in here there was an old thing from dec called lectern (i dont know license) some old "digital paper" project. it was very lightweight, because-rendered. i guess i do not mind pdf itself per se (as read, dont use it for forms or anything fancy) ...but readers you can count from dos version installer fit on a floppy or two....20M download now? so it goes with everything [22:39] TR Bot - modula3/cm3: Critical Mass Modula-3 [22:39] MinceR adobe people have absolutely no clue about programming [22:40] schestowitz-TR they oughtsourced around 20 years agho [22:40] kingoffrance *pre-rendered for various sizes [22:40] schestowitz-TR not sure if they were better in the 80s [22:40] kingoffrance *as reader [22:40] matey in the 80s there was one format for every device :) [22:40] matey if you owned two devices there were probably two formats [22:40] matey might as well be docassembly :) [22:40] schestowitz-TR now we have user ID for each device [22:40] schestowitz-TR for "optimising ads to YOU!!@" [22:41] chicksahoy its a shame I can't hand out my resume in markdown format [22:41] matey gemini works [22:41] kingoffrance cvs2svn ... to git history: 22 years ago :) [22:41] schestowitz-TR chicksahoy: if you can, it's a neat employer [22:41] matey its a shame I can't hand out my resume in markdown format <- you could, you would just limit yourself to cool potential employers [22:41] matey and there arent many. [22:41] schestowitz-TR a sign it might be a good place to work [22:42] chicksahoy there arent any good places to work [22:42] schestowitz-TR my employer used to be better [22:42] schestowitz-TR sometimes things deteriorate [22:42] chicksahoy law firms all want microsoft stuff [22:42] schestowitz-TR and usually things can only go downhill over time [22:42] schestowitz-TR as technology generally becomes more hostile over time [22:42] matey like linux [22:42] schestowitz-TR yes [22:42] schestowitz-TR linux too [22:43] schestowitz-TR I don't need azure-bits in my kernel [22:43] schestowitz-TR get this crap out of here [22:43] schestowitz-TR but money [22:43] chicksahoy whats the solution? freebsd? [22:43] matey the azure bits arent in the kernel are they? i thought they were in a real time os in the gpu [22:43] schestowitz-TR freebsd is also in Microsoft's pockets [22:43] matey freebsd is the most microsoftian bsd [22:43] chicksahoy openbsd? [22:43] schestowitz-TR yeah [22:43] schestowitz-TR openbsd a little less [22:44] schestowitz-TR but they too are taking microsoft money and similar funding sources [22:44] matey openbsd is the most free, unless you can run hyperbola [22:44] matey openbsd has taken money from a lot of people [22:44] chicksahoy openbsd used to take DARPA money [22:44] matey but theyve also lost huge amounts of funding through demonstrating integrity [22:44] matey exactly chicksahoy [22:44] matey but its not like gnu/linux doesnt have defense contractors [22:44] schestowitz-TR and they keep things lean [22:45] chicksahoy openbsd is canadian [22:45] matey its canadian but not spineless [22:45] kingoffrance i'd like to raise my price is right figure 302 MB 908 MB for trial of the fancy version windows 11 english 64-bit acrobat reader [22:45] schestowitz-TR openbsd is dutch-canadian-african ;-) [22:45] schestowitz-TR 3 continents [22:45] matey and possibly a little bit martian [22:45] chicksahoy lol [22:46] matey most importantly though, freedom 3 is very important [22:46] matey and its hard to have freedom 3 with something like linux [22:46] matey which no one can actually fork [22:46] TR News Gulag Maps is malware. In 2006 you could already read MSM articles about how CIA was using it to locate you and figure out your mind while you used it. https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-maps-location-history/ [22:46] TR Bot 4 Things You Can Do with Google Maps Location History - Make Tech Easier [22:46] matey the license allows it, it also allows you to jump into space if your legs are strong enough [22:47] immibis why can nobody fork linux? [22:47] matey ask linus, he couldnt fork it if he wanted [22:47] immibis complexity? there are even random hobby operating systems using linux drivers [22:47] MinceR it's hideously bloated [22:47] chicksahoy its GPLv2, why cant it be forked [22:47] TR News 1: Steaming Up About Linux Gaming - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/linux-out-loud/lol-1/ [22:47] MinceR but maybe eventually someone will have to do it [22:47] TR Bot Steaming Up About Linux Gaming - TuxDigital [22:47] matey oh i didnt say the drivers cant be forked [22:47] immibis linux drivers are a brilliant starting point for hardware support, compared to no drivers at all [22:48] matey openbsd has reverse engineered the drivers sometimes [22:48] matey yeah linux drivers can be reused [22:48] chicksahoy isnt that because openbsd can't use gpl drivers because it has the bsd license? [22:48] matey but i dont think there will ever be a fork of the kernel itself [22:48] TR News "Content note: The following post contains references to violence." Thank you, Sirs, now I want to read it MOAR. https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [22:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [22:48] TR Bot Updates: Digital rights in the Ukraine-Russia conflict - Access Now [22:48] immibis there are several forks *in the linux development process* [22:48] immibis every company that doesn't want to contribute upstream has a fork [22:48] matey openbsd has a policy of avoiding gpl code [22:48] immibis which is most of them [22:49] matey its not complete-- they still use some, try as they might [22:49] immibis everyone working on the kernel has a fork [22:49] matey legally it might be on shaky ground to use gpl drivers [22:49] immibis because? [22:49] matey everyone working on the kernel has a fork <- this is a linuguistic argument that talks about something other than what im saying altogether [22:49] immibis patents? [22:50] matey linux is not forkable in the sense that openoffice was forkable. [22:50] immibis just make the kernel GPL instead of BSD and you can use the drivers. OpenGPL [22:50] matey there may be a linux-libre but there will never be a librelinux [22:50] TR News You won't defeat Vladolf Putler in a war if you raise a generation of imbecile, infantile adolescents who curl up into a fetal position any time they feel a little stressed or challenged [22:50] matey because linux-libre isnt a fork [22:50] immibis schestowitz-TR: not even a link. What is TR-news doing? That is basically just culture war propaganda [22:51] immibis what is a fork? [22:51] matey there are different kinds of forks, im sure [22:51] matey i mean a fork in the sense of a project that is based on, but independent of the original. [22:51] schestowitz-TR immibis: I don't follow... [22:51] matey thats what libreoffice is [22:51] matey libreoffice is a true fork [22:52] immibis schestowitz-TR: pardon me for not knowing how exactly techrights-news operates. techrights-news just privmsg'd some nonsense sentence consisting entirely of culture war bullshit and zero substance. Why is that? [22:52] schestowitz-TR immibis: no, it challenged self-censorship [22:52] schestowitz-TR This? [22:50] You won't defeat Vladolf Putler in a war if you raise a generation of imbecile, infantile adolescents who curl up into a fetal position any time they feel a little stressed or challenged [22:52] immibis matey: I worked on an embedded linux product, and we just took whatever linux did at that point, and didn't care too much about keeping it up-to-date [22:52] schestowitz-TR this isn't culture war [22:52] immibis yes that [22:52] matey devuan by comparison, will never be independent of debian, even though it was a goal [22:52] immibis that is culture war [22:52] schestowitz-TR I can give examples of culture war [22:53] immibis the culture war implication is that a generation *is* being raised that way [22:53] schestowitz-TR it's only culture war for people who fall into the dualo-wing spiel [22:53] matey matey: I worked on an embedded linux product, and we just took whatever linux did at that point, and didn't care too much about keeping it up-to-date <- immibis, that might be an example of a fork that refutes my claim then. [22:53] schestowitz-TR where you have to "choose a side' [22:53] immibis the only reason to say it is because of sides [22:54] schestowitz-TR where you have to "choose a side'] "Content note: The following post contains references to violence." [22:54] matey if it does refute my claim, i would have to change the claim to be true: "linux is IMPRACTICAL to fork in any way that is likely to sustain it" [22:54] schestowitz-TR there are no photos [22:54] immibis matey: everyone who doesn't install security updates makes a fork [22:54] matey but saying its "unforkable" for short almost seems reasonable. [22:54] schestowitz-TR but they warn about mere words [22:54] schestowitz-TR in this case, not of a sexual nature [22:54] schestowitz-TR now look at the page [22:54] schestowitz-TR what they warn about [22:54] immibis some people have PTSD [22:54] matey matey: everyone who doesn't install security updates makes a for <- this is a somewhat obtuse and technical claim with no practical b [22:55] matey earing on the argument [22:55] schestowitz-TR I don't see anything violent mentioned [22:55] matey your other claim is more relevant [22:55] schestowitz-TR as if, the very mention of a war is in itself going to shock people [22:55] kingoffrance i liked the collective punishment line. the "west" flexing their individualism [22:55] schestowitz-TR later in universities history cannot be taught [22:55] matey do it your own way-- or else [22:55] schestowitz-TR heck, even the bible [22:56] DaemonFC It seems consumer packaged goods companies have a real disaster on their hands. [22:56] immibis schestowitz-TR: it may shock some people [22:56] DaemonFC I've noticed like, huge price hikes on things like soap and coffee, then they put massive rebates on an app. [22:56] immibis if it doesn't actually talk about violence, then sure, maybe they are being overzealous with the warning [22:57] schestowitz-TR I am scanning the page atm [22:57] immibis DaemonFC: welcome to free market. enjoy your stay. [22:57] schestowitz-TR trying to see if there are any descriptions of torture, mutilation, even death [22:57] matey i have ptsd, i dont think its reasonable to cover the earth in squishy foam to make it soft enough for me to never bump into it in an unpleasant way [22:57] schestowitz-TR the page is very focused on internet policy [22:57] schestowitz-TR and arrests [22:58] schestowitz-TR immibis: have a loook [22:58] schestowitz-TR https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [22:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [22:58] TR Bot Updates: Digital rights in the Ukraine-Russia conflict - Access Now [22:58] schestowitz-TR I cannot find violent bits [22:58] schestowitz-TR "cyberattack" yes [22:58] schestowitz-TR "outage" [22:58] schestowitz-TR "blackout" [22:59] schestowitz-TR IBM might insistb they change the word [22:59] schestowitz-TR According to IBM, words like blackout are not inclusive [22:59] mjg59_ " The residents of Mariupol have been deliberately cut off from the world after Russian troops shelled the areas last cell tower" [22:59] schestowitz-TR the page speaksd of technical things [22:59] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:59] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:59] mjg59_ Shelling things sounds pretty violent to me [22:59] schestowitz-TR it does not mention violence (that I can see), only arrests ● Mar 16 [23:01] mjg59_ How is shelling infrastructure not violent? [23:01] TR News Embrace Kubernetes, get more security flaws. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/cr8escape_container_runtime_bug/ [23:01] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/cr8escape_container_runtime_bug/ [23:01] TR Bot Kubernetes container runtime CRI-O has make-me-root flaw The Register [23:01] matey infrastructure isnt people [23:01] matey or living things [23:01] mjg59_ "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." [23:01] mjg59_ Infrastructure is something [23:02] TR News Some BSDs call them "jails". [23:02] matey im not so much disagreeing with your definition of violence, as determining what the threshold must be for someone else to count it as such [23:02] matey they must think it only counts when its directed at (likely sentient) life [23:03] mjg59_ He could say that rather than just switching to a different topic when an example is pointed out [23:03] matey he could [23:04] kingoffrance *" infrastructure isnt people" that was supposedly the one "right" of a serf. as a ...thing...attached to the land, they had the "right" to stay and work with a change of owner [23:04] kingoffrance sometimes people are buildings :) [23:04] schestowitz-TR So the sefl-described "SJW" is now protecting us from hearing about the shelling of some antenna [23:04] matey buildings are people too [23:04] kingoffrance -- mitt romney [23:05] TR News Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Out Loud, Deck, and FLOSS Weekly Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162640 [23:05] TR Bot Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Out Loud, Deck, and FLOSS Weekly | Tux Machines [23:05] matey So the sefl-described "SJW" is now protecting us from hearing about the shelling of some antenna <- if so he has failed [23:05] chicksahoy i could violently throw my phone at the wall [23:05] schestowitz-TR soon we won't have news [23:05] schestowitz-TR or war reporting [23:05] schestowitz-TR people will just "perish" [23:05] schestowitz-TR or "move on" [23:06] matey if you violently throw your phone at the wall, the risk would be startling or concerning others nearby [23:06] schestowitz-TR "pass way" was the old one [23:06] mjg59_ The entire point of content warnings is so that you don't self-censor in the actual content [23:06] schestowitz-TR "grandpa passed away" [23:06] matey to be certain, its all relative. shooting your own pillow with a gun would likely bother them even more. [23:06] schestowitz-TR look up the skit of george carlin about softening euphemisms [23:06] mjg59_ You let people make a decision about whether they want to read it [23:06] schestowitz-TR and what they do to communication [23:06] matey even if it only put a hole in a pillow [23:07] immibis talks about people being killed and arrested by russia, how is that not violence? [23:07] DaemonFC I've basically stopped going to McDonalds. [23:07] matey right on time, dfc [23:07] DaemonFC That air fryer does a good job on breakfast sandwiches/burritos. [23:07] schestowitz-TR immibis: the article does not menion deaths [23:07] DaemonFC Not all soggy like the microwave. [23:07] schestowitz-TR it mentoons arrests [23:07] schestowitz-TR like, in Belarus [23:07] immibis schestowitz-TR: that's what happened with coronavirus. Politicians just got so scared of the far-right that they started pretending it poofed out of existence. [23:07] schestowitz-TR covid-19 is a very nasty thing [23:08] immibis shelling has been killing people [23:08] schestowitz-TR and we need to show people what it does [23:08] schestowitz-TR for them to not just"chill it out" [23:08] DaemonFC Yes, they realized finally that the far-right was coming unhinged to the point that they would be another serious threat during the election. [23:08] DaemonFC Enough to push Republican gains deep deep into districts they had no business even possibly winning before. [23:08] schestowitz-TR btw, covid isn't a left/right thing [23:08] schestowitz-TR if you think it is, the media has conned you [23:08] schestowitz-TR partisan BS, old imperiali tactics [23:08] matey left/right reactions are a left/right thing (sort of) [23:08] schestowitz-TR "you hindu/ you muslim" [23:08] DaemonFC The Democratic Party has been pretty racist throughout history. [23:09] DaemonFC Even back when it actually was a progressive party. [23:09] DaemonFC And it didn't simply limit it to "anti-black" racism. [23:09] matey the line between "left" and "right" is so ridiculous now that its hard to have a conversation about it is that isnt nonsense [23:09] DaemonFC When the Republicans gained that wing of the Democratic Party, well, the 5 states that make up the "deep south" haven't returned since they voted for Nixon. [23:10] matey though if someone is yelling at you out of their truck because you ARE wearing a mask, they probably consider themselves right wing. [23:10] schestowitz-TR soon we won't be able to talk about death penalties [23:10] schestowitz-TR or gassing of people [23:10] schestowitz-TR inc. as capital punishment in the US [23:10] DaemonFC The death penalty is way different than mass executions because "reasons". [23:10] schestowitz-TR kids will roam the streets care-free [23:10] DaemonFC Or to put down political opposition. [23:10] matey im pretty sure even the fake left will continue to protest the death penalty [23:10] schestowitz-TR they never heard of violence [23:10] schestowitz-TR no books with witches and snakes [23:10] chicksahoy when the clownvoy occupied ottawa, i was watching live video and listening to their audio chat (Zello) and it was pretty much all right wing people [23:11] schestowitz-TR and then some pedophiles show us [23:11] DaemonFC When you give death to drug dealers and rapists and murderers, then you make society safer. [23:11] chicksahoy i didnt get that from the media [23:11] DaemonFC What Putin wants to do is not the "death sentence". [23:11] DaemonFC It's mass executions to purge opposition. [23:11] matey stalin loved those [23:11] matey he was kind of a dick. [23:12] DaemonFC He openly threatens it now to try to make the protests stop. [23:12] matey dfc: source? [23:12] XRevan86 Putin has no reason not to bring up the death penalty now. [23:12] XRevan86 * to bring back [23:12] DaemonFC https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-putin-warns-pro-western-traitors-ukraine-1.6386960 [23:12] Alternative link Cloudflare: cbc.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-putin-warns-pro-western-traitors-ukraine-1.6386960 [23:12] TR Bot Putin warns of pro-Western 'traitors' in Russia, references 'self-cleansing' of country | CBC News [23:12] MinceR hopefully he'll get it [23:12] matey cheers [23:12] XRevan86 So that's exciting. [23:12] DaemonFC "self-cleansing" [23:12] schestowitz-TR MinceR: lol [23:12] DaemonFC It's like a self-cleaning oven. [23:12] matey too soon [23:12] XRevan86 I can confirm he said exactly that. [23:13] DaemonFC You just put all of the protesters in and set it to MAXIMUM. [23:13] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22031428 [23:13] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/84b6qdy010n81.jpg created on 2022-03-14 11:49:55.898848 [23:13] DaemonFC Not at all like something the Nazis did. [23:13] MinceR all the humans are already in an oven we're heating [23:13] schestowitz-TR not climate change metaphor [23:13] DaemonFC I'm still working through "gas guzzler" problems on my car. [23:13] schestowitz-TR MinceR: porcelain [23:14] DaemonFC Today I filled up the tank again and got my best city mileage yet. [23:14] XRevan86 I think it's practically impossible to be a pessimist [23:14] DaemonFC 21.75 [23:14] matey "Meanwhile, U.S. President Joe Biden called Putin a "war criminal"" <- mr biden actually lobbied to increase the death penalty for domestic combatants [23:14] schestowitz-TR cars are heavy t [23:14] DaemonFC When I got the car it was getting like 10-11 mpg. [23:14] schestowitz-TR they will always take up too much power [23:14] schestowitz-TR and emit heat [23:14] DaemonFC Mom had let it get so bad. [23:14] schestowitz-TR no matter if they run on oil or farts or crops [23:14] DaemonFC Yeah, well, when everything is filthy and worn out, the engine doesn't work right. [23:14] DaemonFC Then it actually can burn almost twice as much fuel as it's supposed to. [23:14] DaemonFC :/ [23:14] XRevan86 Biden saw the iconic image "War Criminal Pya V.V." [23:15] matey i think calling putin a war criminal is fair, its funny coming from biden [23:15] schestowitz-TR Biden was alwaysd regarded as to the "right" of Obama [23:15] DaemonFC It costs less to clean sensors and replace some wear items than it does to buy all of that extra gas. [23:15] DaemonFC Especially at these prices! [23:15] schestowitz-TR on pretty much all policies [23:15] schestowitz-TR but now, after Trump, many think Biden is "left" [23:15] DaemonFC Air up your tires. Air is free. [23:15] *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [23:15] DaemonFC What always makes me laugh is those green tire caps. [23:15] XRevan86 https://static.dw.com/image/54614229_303.jpeg [23:16] DaemonFC People who fill up their tires with nitrogen for extra money. [23:16] matey the general grasp on left/right isnt too firm, schestowitz-TR [23:16] XRevan86 Can't remember how many years the authors got. [23:16] DaemonFC Regular air is 80% nitrogen. [23:16] XRevan86 Ah, 2 years in prison. [23:16] *psydroid9 has quit (connection closed) [23:16] schestowitz-TR you need a lot of energy just to inflate the tires [23:16] DaemonFC So you pay extra, per tire (plus fill-ups) to fill them with something you can mostly get anyway by putting regular air in. [23:16] XRevan86 That was 2018, good times. [23:16] schestowitz-TR unless you do it manually, which is hard even for a bicycle, takes a lot of effort [23:17] matey how much to fill your tyres with liquid nitrogen :) [23:17] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I use a bicycle pump to keep mine up to pressure. [23:17] DaemonFC It's not that difficult. [23:17] DaemonFC I run mine 35 psi front and 33 psi on the rear. [23:17] schestowitz-TR I need to get one of those large pumps, but cannot justify it [23:17] schestowitz-TR they're like 30 pounds and you only use them like twice a year [23:18] schestowitz-TR I used to pump at the petrol stations [23:18] schestowitz-TR i don't know if they even make those pumps available anymore [23:18] DaemonFC Yeah, topping off your tires isn't that difficult. [23:18] DaemonFC If you never let them get more than 1-2 psi lower than they're supposed to be. [23:19] schestowitz-TR I use an old plastic tiny bike pump [23:19] schestowitz-TR I have to strike it like 100 times per tire [23:19] schestowitz-TR and it's hard to grip [23:19] DaemonFC You have to keep after it otherwise you're wasting lots of money on extra gas that's not getting you anywhere. [23:19] schestowitz-TR *stroke [23:19] schestowitz-TR at least it's light so you can carry it along [23:19] matey "In his address to ministers, Putin said the West was trying to divide Russia" [23:20] matey americans: its the russians on twitter! [23:20] matey russia: its the americans on twitter! [23:20] schestowitz-TR "divide"= [23:20] matey twitter: its people who wont give us their phone number! [23:20] schestowitz-TR they try to make people not agree with me [23:21] schestowitz-TR if "Stalin's Dream" is people goina round with mobile number as ID, what does that make Twitter? :p [23:21] kingoffrance divide == we did a false merger and want to cement it, dont blow my smoke screen [23:21] matey i don't know if they even make those pumps available anymore <- theyre still available, but they cost more now [23:22] DaemonFC Twitter is so stupid. [23:22] schestowitz-TR matey: they used to be free [23:22] DaemonFC How is a microblogging company that censors and spies "worth" so much it's on a major stock exchange? [23:22] schestowitz-TR you walk by, pick up the hose [23:22] matey yep [23:22] matey How is a microblogging company that censors and spies "worth" so much it's on a major stock exchange? <- surveillance capitalism [23:23] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: it is not profitable [23:23] schestowitz-TR not this year [23:23] schestowitz-TR not last year [23:23] schestowitz-TR not 2 years ago [23:23] schestowitz-TR twitter is a money sink [23:23] DaemonFC The Fed hiked rates a tiny bit today. [23:23] DaemonFC Market goes up. [23:23] schestowitz-TR funded partly by Saudi "roysls" [23:23] DaemonFC That was going on while they were hiking rates under Trump. [23:23] DaemonFC Every day they hiked, stocks went up. [23:23] matey the fed poisons everyones coffee just a little each day [23:24] schestowitz-TR what market? The looters' league [23:24] DaemonFC So if their whole rationale for keeping rates low is to prop up stocks, which go up when they raise rates, then why keep the rates low? [23:24] schestowitz-TR the "market" is the shops near you [23:24] schestowitz-TR not waltons' [23:24] schestowitz-TR the ordinary shops [23:24] schestowitz-TR dineries [23:24] DaemonFC I wondered yesterday... [23:24] schestowitz-TR that's "the market" [23:24] DaemonFC Why Walmart is so big in China. [23:24] schestowitz-TR not TheMarket(R) [23:25] matey everything in walmart is chinese, including the number of cameras in the store [23:25] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpQYsk-8dWg [23:25] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zpQYsk-8dWg [23:25] TR Bot yewtu.be | The Corporation - Documentary - Invidious [23:25] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@hngiv8sdpiaf2.irc) has joined #techrights [23:25] schestowitz-TR matey: amazon too, to a degree... [23:26] schestowitz-TR US "TheMarket(R)" [23:26] matey amazon is like walmart 2000 [23:26] schestowitz-TR isn't the US [23:26] schestowitz-TR it's many consumers and many sweatshops [23:26] schestowitz-TR and people pocketing the surplus [23:26] schestowitz-TR TheMarket(R) is that last group [23:26] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:28] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6bqftbb7y26fc.irc) has joined #techrights [23:29] DaemonFC I can see why Walmart is doing well in the UK. The government there is as utterly corrupt and maybe worse than the US. It's getting there fast under their current regime. [23:30] DaemonFC They lost "world power" status a long time ago. They're well past that. [23:30] DaemonFC They had virtually no leverage left over world politics by 1997 when they handed over Hong Kong and they have even less still now. [23:30] matey #techrights : 03/16/22 23:24 Why Walmart is so big in China [23:31] matey DaemonFC : 03/16/22 23:26 >< QUIT (): Ping timeout: 2m30s [23:31] *AdmFubar1 (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [23:31] matey DaemonFC dont criticise china. youll get a ping timeout. [23:31] DaemonFC About the two major changes to push them over the edge entirely are a major pensions and NHS crisis causing government budget problems, and Boris Johnson, which was swept to power by a bunch of idiots who thought one election with a guy promoting brexit would fix everything. [23:31] DaemonFC T-Mobile internet, everybody. [23:31] DaemonFC Anyway, Walmart and China... [23:32] DaemonFC Letting them do business there is graft. [23:32] matey at least it saves on shipping [23:32] DaemonFC Walmart buys more from China than cloning their business and running it themselves is worth. [23:32] DaemonFC Yeah, but other than a brand for shelving, what is Walmart? [23:33] matey my question is how can walmart actually WORK in china [23:33] matey how can they cut prices lower than china itself? [23:33] matey walmart: everything is a penny [23:33] DaemonFC Well, it's kind of funny because like in China, 90% of the stuff Walmart sells is made in China. [23:33] matey china: whatever, just take it [23:33] DaemonFC They probably promote that there. They would never want us to know. [23:34] matey thats not the worst of it. the worst of it is i had a friend from china that told me people there want to buy all the "american" things [23:35] matey i was like what american things, you make all of it there [23:35] matey american logo + chinese manufacturing = american things [23:35] DaemonFC https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/16/wisconsin-dentist-guilty-damaging-patients-teeth-boost-profits [23:35] TR Bot Dentist found guilty of damaging patients teeth to boost profits | Wisconsin | The Guardian [23:35] DaemonFC Another reason to get second and third opinions. [23:36] DaemonFC It's cheaper than just letting one dentist say you need a root canal and then after he's done nobody can prove you didn't need one. [23:36] kingoffrance Lev Andropov: It's stuck, yes? Watts: Back off! You don't know the components! Lev Andropov: [annoyed] Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN! [23:36] DaemonFC Yes, Walmart is on a new "Buy American Pledge". [23:36] DaemonFC And most of the stuff they said they'd buy is stuff that was already made here and they just started slapping an American flag icon on it. [23:36] DaemonFC Like fucking mouthwash. [23:37] DaemonFC "Some of these patients were extremely vulnerable individuals in abusive relationships, recently widowed, survivors of cancer and living paycheck to paycheck scrounging to afford the co-pays required for the unnecessary procedures he was billing, said prosecutor Julie Stewart in 2020." [23:37] schestowitz-TR Walwart: we buy AMERICA [23:38] schestowitz-TR (bought it in the 1990s) [23:38] matey /me liked some of their albums [23:38] DaemonFC Dentists that take PPO plans are less likely to commit major fraud than the others. Because if they start billing "95% more crowns than average" the insurance companies will launch an investigation into why they're paying that. [23:38] DaemonFC The ones that "don't take insurance" are more suspicious. [23:39] schestowitz-TR fwiw, i don't know if walmark uk (asda) does well [23:39] DaemonFC " Walwart: we buy AMERICA" [23:39] schestowitz-TR it's never too busy [23:39] schestowitz-TR aldi is far more competitive, even lidi [23:39] DaemonFC Yeah, I remember paying $300 for a DVD player there in the 90s. [23:39] DaemonFC My dad said to me, DVD's will never catch on. [23:39] schestowitz-TR many pcs cannot play them [23:40] schestowitz-TR felta was partly right [23:40] DaemonFC I said, "Dad, you're the only one who bought an RCA "Disco-o-Vision" system, but DVD will catch on and people will use them decades from now.". [23:40] DaemonFC New movies still get a DVD release. [23:40] matey finding a pc that can play vhs is even harder [23:40] schestowitz-TR now people stream withg drm [23:40] DaemonFC You can still buy new movies on DVD so obviously people are still buying DVDs. [23:40] schestowitz-TR matey: ripping is the way [23:41] schestowitz-TR files you can move around [23:41] schestowitz-TR blueray and dvd are against thar [23:41] schestowitz-TR dvd jon changed it [23:41] schestowitz-TR for a bit [23:41] DaemonFC DVD can't really stop you from ripping it. [23:41] schestowitz *bluray [23:41] DaemonFC It's so weakly protected that a moden computer can just break the disc's encryption in a second or two and rip anyway. [23:42] schestowitz weakly protected now [23:42] schestowitz but they have had other plans [23:42] schestowitz anyway, today's computers lack optical drives [23:42] DaemonFC You can plug one into USB. [23:42] schestowitz most people ride the dollars of Wall Street that subsidise them moving to no-own model [23:42] schestowitz you temporarily rent access to watch something [23:42] DaemonFC Lenovo gave me a USB type C external DVD-RW drive for free with this laptop. [23:43] schestowitz like movie theatres, except on your shoddy PC [23:43] schestowitz with no good picture or sound [23:43] DaemonFC I can rip CDs with it too if I want. [23:43] kingoffrance matey, im sure you've seen quite a few 90s vhs used as backup. ~2GB or so per tape? [23:43] schestowitz but it's an add-on [23:43] DaemonFC The library has tons of CDs. No need to bittorrent anything and give anyone evidence that you have the music. [23:43] schestowitz no longer part of the PC [23:43] matey /me figures that in a few years movies will come encoded on parchment with a series of wheels you have to align, and if you drop the movie a vial spills onto the parchment and destroys it [23:43] DaemonFC schestowitz, Why would you want it as part of the laptop? [23:44] chicksahoy its still legal to download pirated music in canada [23:44] DaemonFC Every disc drive makes the laptop super bulky and then breaks at some point. [23:44] DaemonFC Then you have a broken disc drive making your laptop heavier. [23:44] schestowitz matey: lol, just keep watching the ads [23:44] schestowitz all of them, till the end [23:44] schestowitz nice parchment [23:44] schestowitz would be a shame if something happened to it [23:45] schestowitz DaemonFC: like your earlobes [23:45] schestowitz they just add weight [23:45] schestowitz and risk of cancer [23:45] schestowitz remove them [23:46] matey ralph fiennes has to retire eventually [23:46] schestowitz or go fully aerodynamic like crazy van gough [23:46] TR News The audiocast of today shows Gerbil and Molasses in action; towards the end we also show Moonlander, Telescope, Amfora, Kristall, and Lagrange (Gemini clients) http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/gerbil-and-molasses/ [23:46] TR Bot Gerbil and Molasses: Two More Gemini (and Gopher) Clients That Are Actively Developed | Techrights [23:47] matey he still had considerable drag on one side [23:47] schestowitz-TR i thought he did both sides [23:47] matey you know this is worth looking up [23:47] schestowitz-TR maybe one was enough for the encelope [23:47] schestowitz-TR matey: na.. you would get trigger-warned [23:48] schestowitz-TR but for this one I can understand [23:48] matey only the lobe of the left, not the whole thing [23:48] schestowitz-TR it's more gory an articulation than antenna being shelled [23:48] matey i dont think van gogh had antenna, but it would explain a few things [23:48] kingoffrance that was dali antenna mustache [23:49] schestowitz-TR so at school they misled us [23:49] schestowitz-TR they told us it was the ear, not part of it [23:49] matey british schools and their anti-impressionist propaganda! [23:49] schestowitz-TR many people still mutilate themselves for piercings and stuff in that area [23:49] matey i mean part of the ear is the ear [23:49] matey like if you hurt your hand [23:50] matey its not like you have to hurt the whole thing [23:50] schestowitz-TR palm vs finger [23:50] schestowitz-TR you struggle a lot with one palm missing [23:50] schestowitz-TR one finger missing is no great loss [23:50] matey you know what they say, believe half of what you see and none of what you ear [23:50] *Noisytoot is now known as PissServ [23:50] schestowitz-TR many lost a finger in their workshops [23:50] schestowitz-TR unless it's the thumb [23:50] schestowitz-TR most important finger [23:51] matey unless it's the thumb <- thats a good rule [23:51] schestowitz-TR any other finger missing and you can still be world champion at anything [23:51] schestowitz-TR if humans were designed [23:52] schestowitz-TR we would have a spare thumb [23:52] schestowitz-TR or 2 fingers in one direction, 3 the other [23:52] schestowitz-TR but we are not designed [23:52] matey or could grow a new one like a gecko [23:52] schestowitz-TR there you go [23:53] schestowitz-TR gecko >> human [23:53] schestowitz-TR octopus for sure [23:53] schestowitz-TR cats maybe [23:53] matey id say we make up for it every winter [23:53] matey sure we might lose some fingers, but geckos will just drop dead [23:54] TR News Find is not part of Linux https://medium.com/techtofreedom/7-uses-of-find-command-in-linux-c45f70d7351a [23:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medium.com/techtofreedom/7-uses-of-find-command-in-linux-c45f70d7351a [23:54] TR Bot Uses of find Command in Linux. Find it and do what you want | by Yang Zhou | TechToFreedom | Mar, 2022 | Medium [23:55] TR News Linux Foundation or Linus Torvalds need to do some trademark enforcement. https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyc-february-2656919186.html [23:55] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyc-february-2656919186.html ) [23:55] Alternative link Cloudflare: papermag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyc-february-2656919186.html [23:57] AdmFubar :P my late brother in law cut off two of his finger in an accident.. he used to call them his baby fingers... he got more kids to quit sucking their thumbs by telling them he sucked his thumb a lot when he was little and they didn't grow in right. [23:57] matey thats wicked [23:57] schestowitz-TR haha [23:57] matey After cutting off his ear Van Gogh put on his beret and dragged himself to a nearby brothel to give the severed earlobe, wrapped in paper, to a young woman recently identified as Gabrielle [23:57] AdmFubar :P [23:58] matey of course he couldnt leave without his beret [23:58] AdmFubar now that is wicked sick! [23:58] schestowitz-TR artist [23:58] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 69.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 93.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.91 [23:58] matey gabrielle is a nice name [23:58] schestowitz-TR maybe his red tube was out of juice [23:58] schestowitz-TR and he wanted to finish the painting [23:59] matey whats the most gracious way to turn down a gifted ear? [23:59] matey "im so sorry vincent, i already have one"