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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers: OpenSUSE, Kiwi TCMS and Governance []Oct 16 00:01
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schestowitztwitter is broken in a lot of different ways. 2 hours of downtime now. Or read-only mode, sort of…Oct 16 00:03
schestowitz[23:40] <cybrNaut> i never know when twtr shits the bed b/c I quit using it as soon as they locked my acct & demanded a phone # to get it backOct 16 00:04
schestowitzif you don't give them a phone number they can phone you code on, then you're "RUSHAN BOT"Oct 16 00:04
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 15/10/2020: KWinFT 5.20, Mesa 20.2.1 []Oct 16 00:06
schestowitz 16 00:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Soon 2.5 hours of 'downtime' for #twitter and I hope for (seriously) a >days-long< one with D-R and restore from some old backup. Just to see them suffer a bit for the damage this Saudi-owned, Trump-led site has done... Oct 16 00:15
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz He says the place is wired for Comcast.Oct 16 00:27
DaemonFC[m]So it looks like Comcast and VPN again.Oct 16 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Glad I didn't burn them in the bankruptcy. Oct 16 00:28
schestowitzahaOct 16 00:28
schestowitzare you in yet?Oct 16 00:28
DaemonFC[m]They're not an essential utility so even though they can't force you to pay a bankruptcy account, they don't have to hook you up untio you do.Oct 16 00:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz We signed the lease. He's  renovating it but will be finished by the 30th. He said we could just meet up and pay him the first month's rent and get the keys 2 days early.Oct 16 00:29
DaemonFC[m]I've had landlords agree to do that before so I wouldn't go month to month on my old lease and have another landlord mad that I wasn't out yet.Oct 16 00:30
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schestowitzTwitter is recovering nowOct 16 00:35
schestowitzcatching up with the backlog as wellOct 16 00:36
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: sounds goodOct 16 00:44
schestowitzwell done, be sure to invest in the place to make Mandy happyOct 16 00:44
schestowitzand keep the place clean, not just because of COVID but the landlord alsoOct 16 00:44
MinceR(cat) 16 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4852637)Oct 16 00:53
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DaemonFC[m]I rebuilt from bankruptcy in 7 weeks. My FICO score went from 475 to 708.Oct 16 02:27
DaemonFC[m]He commented he had never seen a 708 on a fresh bankruptcy before.Oct 16 02:27
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DaemonFC[m]I think I can get to 750 by the end of the year. Oct 16 02:42
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: I Switched to Linux After Using Windows for 10 Years []Oct 16 05:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Oct 16 05:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Redo Rescue 3.0 Switches to Debian GNU/Linux 10 “Buster,” Adds UEFI Secure Boot []Oct 16 05:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best GTK3 Themes for Linux []Oct 16 05:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Prattling a Distro; Parrot OS []Oct 16 05:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Dell Ubuntu, Lenovo Fedora, And Slimbook Elementary OS []Oct 16 05:38
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: but how?Oct 16 05:43
schestowitzmaybe that just means this system of scoring it easy to gameOct 16 05:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: People who become better informed about the hostile direction technology has taken in the past couple of decades would be wise to avoid most of it; communicating the dangers is very important for society’s integrity in a time of unprecedented corporate cou... []Oct 16 05:44
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz It's very easy to game Oct 16 05:46
DaemonFC[m]Dispute anything bad.Oct 16 05:46
DaemonFC[m]Get a bunch of authorized user or secured credit cards. Or both.Oct 16 05:46
DaemonFC[m]Then just wait as they all start reporting positive history. When someone adds you it's retroactive, so it looks like I had a good account for a while.Oct 16 05:47
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: You May Need to Stop War to Stop Microsoft []Oct 16 06:33
schestowitzok, good for you..Oct 16 07:03
DaemonFC[m]Shortcuts.Oct 16 07:15
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, so it looks like I filed bankruptcy and had credit cards reported as "open paying as agreed" for that entire time period too.Oct 16 07:15
DaemonFC[m]The landlord commented on my email.Oct 16 07:16
DaemonFC[m]Said he'd never seen that. I explained it was a web browser, but they give you a free email address that's pretty nice.Oct 16 07:16
schestowitzmaybe they sell data based on thatOct 16 07:17
schestowitzdid you check?Oct 16 07:17
DaemonFC[m]Based on what?Oct 16 07:31
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel 5.9: What’s New and How to Upgrade []Oct 16 07:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Proton 5.13-1 []Oct 16 07:38
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos []Oct 16 07:49
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best IRC Chat Clients for Linux []Oct 16 07:51
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schestowitzweird, how does gnome maps know my location on the map?Oct 16 08:07
schestowitzwith high accuracy (39 meters)?Oct 16 08:07
schestowitzthe ip address at the isp level ought not approximate this closelyOct 16 08:08
schestowitzand I use it with OSM afaikOct 16 08:08
schestowitzdoes it use something other than ip address to determine location?Oct 16 08:08
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schestowitz"Oct 16 08:49
schestowitzOne gym owner in Merseyside was fined £1,000 after he posted on social media that his gym would stay open "not for financial gain but more for our members' mental and physical well-being."Oct 16 08:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gyms and coronavirus: What are the facts? - BBC NewsOct 16 08:49
schestowitzAnd gym users have been telling Newsbeat they're "baffled" by the move to close gyms while other places stay open.Oct 16 08:49
schestowitz"Oct 16 08:49
schestowitzI hope ours stays openOct 16 08:49
schestowitzthe local gov. wants toOct 16 08:49
schestowitzbut the national gov. wants to shut downOct 16 08:50
schestowitzand now they bicker over itOct 16 08:50
schestowitz"That data puts gyms on 3%, while supermarkets are 12%, pubs and bars are 10% and secondary schools are 5%. But what those percentages mean is a bit tricky."Oct 16 08:50
schestowitz"Everyone can't understand why gyms are closing, but other sections like retail and restaurants are allowed to be open," he says.Oct 16 08:51
schestowitz"Oct 16 08:52
schestowitzJack was frustrated by members not wiping down equipment after use and thinks staff should be enforcing the rules more strictly.Oct 16 08:52
schestowitz"I also tend to swim to help with mental health and clear my head.Oct 16 08:52
schestowitz"In our gym you have to book a slot. But you'd see people walk past the pool and say 'I reckon I could fit in there'."Oct 16 08:52
schestowitzJack says this all means he's now going to the gym far less often.Oct 16 08:52
schestowitz"Oct 16 08:52
schestowitz[old] 16 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus: 'I don't feel like I know myself without a gym routine' - BBC NewsOct 16 08:52
schestowitz 16 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gyms and mental health: 'I can't wait to be back on the squat rack' - BBC NewsOct 16 08:53
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Is open source a development model, business model, or something else? []Oct 16 09:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Oct 16 09:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Modern Computer in a Commodore 64 Shell []Oct 16 10:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers []Oct 16 10:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@normative: The more I think about the Post’s story, the crazier it seems. IF the story is accurate, Rudy Giuliani is approache… 16 10:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@normative: The more I think about the Post’s story, the crazier it seems. IF the story is accurate, Rudy Giuliani is approache… 16 10:17
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oiaohmschestowitz: with gyms we have had a horrible problem here in Australia.   Lot have complained about the 4 square metre rule and turns out by the Australian fire code person in a gym should have at least 4 square metres per person.   Basically lot are not being able to reopen because they were technically operating illegal before covid-19.   Oct 16 12:08
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oiaohmPlease note that is 20 year old Australian fire code.Oct 16 12:11
oiaohm20 years of fire code fines is basically bankrupt.Oct 16 12:12
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txOofOct 16 12:13
oiaohmIts a bit more than Oof one has been like zero trade due to covid-19 and 20 million dollar fine for breach of fire code.Oct 16 12:15
oiaohmMost likely the government would still not found out about the fire code breaches if covid-19 never happend.Oct 16 12:16
oiaohmThere are a lot of cases where covid-19 social distance is the way it should have been here in Australia by the fire code and it was not. Oct 16 12:17
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txCovid-19 is a clear demonstration of lack of coordination between global govermentsOct 16 12:35
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txHow can we expect to contain the problem when everyone just does what they wantOct 16 12:36
oiaohmOf course we have the horrible possiblity with covid-19 that long term it will contain  itself thinking it appears we have no long term immunity.Oct 16 12:39
oiaohmYes contain itself by slowly killing off and disabling people in countries who don't do the right corrective policies.Oct 16 12:39
MinceRsounds good to meOct 16 12:40
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txHow lively does it get here on a Friday nightOct 16 14:21
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thddxit's litOct 16 15:00
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DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "sounds good to me"> Especially since in America, most of those people voted for those policies and then they won't do that again.Oct 16 15:49
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: By all indicators we're maybe 20-25% through the entire population of the US getting this and already we know of 223,000 dead at least.Oct 16 15:50
DaemonFC[m]So even if you could only get it once, we're talking about 700,000+ dead probably.Oct 16 15:50
DaemonFC[m]It's possible that immunity wears off almost entirely, leaving you vulnerable to another infection that's nearly as bad as the first one.Oct 16 15:51
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So, Texas was admitted into the Union with a couple of odd conditions.Oct 16 15:52
DaemonFC[m]They have standing permission from that law to split themselves into up to 4 other states, and they control the entire national territorial waters off their coast.Oct 16 15:53
DaemonFC[m]The second part didn't seem so important at the time, but it is with offshore oil drilling now.Oct 16 15:53
DaemonFC[m]The "four states" part is likely never going to be used.Oct 16 15:53
DaemonFC[m]Most states have no interest in carving themselves up.Oct 16 15:53
DaemonFC[m]It was presented as a possible scheme to add Republicans to the US Senate, but they're never going to do it.Oct 16 15:54
DaemonFC[m]Even if they partitioned themselves to get the vote like that for a short while, the boundaries would be permanent.Oct 16 15:55
DaemonFC[m]So there's no guarantee that it would stay that way, and probably each sector would get a major city with a lot of Democrats.Oct 16 15:55
DaemonFC[m]So you'd have at least 3 of the new states with competitive Senate elections, which would defeat the purpose. Oct 16 15:55
DaemonFC[m]Then you'd still have to get a majority to agree to the plan, in both the legislature and the public, and most of the public there really likes their state how it is.Oct 16 15:56
DaemonFC[m]It's as comical as the idea of splitting up Illinois. Some Republicans want to because they think it would create another Indiana, but they would inherit all of the debt and problems they had before with no tax base to pay for it.Oct 16 15:59
DaemonFC[m]The idea gained new traction now because of the virus.Oct 16 15:59
DaemonFC[m]They don't want to wear face masks, so their solution is to carve up the state.Oct 16 15:59
DaemonFC[m]In winner takes all elections, the consolation package isn't even as good as the one on The Price Is Right.Oct 16 16:00
DaemonFC[m]Where the winner gets to go on vacation and like a brand new home and the runner up gets a pack of chewing gum.Oct 16 16:01
DaemonFC[m]So millions of people go to the polls, vote, and it makes no difference (except maybe locally) because they can't hit a plurality. Oct 16 16:01
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I was reading a list of elections that were called by 1 vote, or a small handful, but they had maybe a dozen without going back into the 1800s.Oct 16 16:02
DaemonFC[m]And even if more people vote, something like this has the same overall chance of happening anyway.Oct 16 16:02
DaemonFC[m]Elections do have consequences, even in a two party system. The Republicans managed to hold back a living wage law in Illinois for years, with control of only one branch of the government.Oct 16 16:04
DaemonFC[m]They managed to have the people of Waukegan continue being gassed by a company emitting ethylene oxide for several more years because Bruce Rauner (their governor) had ownership in it and if the state made them put in scrubbers, his stock would go down a tenth of a point.Oct 16 16:05
DaemonFC[m]It's all short term you know. As soon as the government changed, they had to install all of those filters anyway and have permanent monitoring, and pay a fine for all those years, including the ones where Rauner didn't make them fix it.Oct 16 16:05
DaemonFC[m]There were cancer clusters in Lake County, and not just near their Waukegan facility. They had several. They said it would cost too much to filter it and they may leave the state, but then they just installed the filters.Oct 16 16:07
schestowitz[14:21] <vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> How lively does it get here on a Friday nightOct 16 16:07
schestowitzask again after the drinksOct 16 16:07
DaemonFC[m]Then they got a fine for bribing Governor Rauner, although he wasn't indictedOct 16 16:08
schestowitz[12:36] <vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx> How can we expect to contain the problem when everyone just does what they wantOct 16 16:08
DaemonFC[m]They called it as "government contract related offense..Oct 16 16:08
schestowitzin uk locations not treated equallyOct 16 16:08
schestowitzwe're goin into lockdown aainOct 16 16:08
schestowitzagain tomorrowOct 16 16:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stericycle | Violation TrackerOct 16 16:09
DaemonFC[m]The biggest EPA fine came in under Donald Trump of all people.Oct 16 16:09
schestowitzoiaohm: at the gym it's just me and the wifeOct 16 16:10
DaemonFC[m]Probably because the biggest cancer cluster was white Republicans in the burbs.Oct 16 16:10
schestowitzsometimes one more person, at mostOct 16 16:10
DaemonFC[m]The EPA fines should be much bigger. It costs the government a lot of money when people get cancer, go broke, and gt on Medicaid. Oct 16 16:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Scott Pruitt's gone at least.Oct 16 16:11
schestowitzyeahOct 16 16:11
schestowitzparanoid scottOct 16 16:11
DaemonFC[m]He was trying to install the Cone of Silence in his office so they couldn't bug him and figure out all the corrupt things he was letting big polluters get away with on behalf of Trump.Oct 16 16:12
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: See how it works though? How quickly shit gets fixed when it's white people being poisoned?Oct 16 16:12
DaemonFC[m]The facts came to light, the white people got out there picketing and writing their local officials, and saying "We vote. What are you going to do about these people?".Oct 16 16:13
DaemonFC[m]The state smoked the tires to get over there, fine the crap out of them, and make them install filters. Oct 16 16:13
schestowitzcancer alley...Oct 16 16:14
schestowitznever got justice for that..Oct 16 16:14
schestowitzpropublica did a long series covering thatOct 16 16:14
DaemonFC[m]The filters scrub out most of it.Oct 16 16:14
DaemonFC[m]I think the figure I looked at said they were able to reduce the emissions by 99.3% with the filters.Oct 16 16:14
DaemonFC[m]So I mean, that's a lot and they're obviously still doing business in Illinois.Oct 16 16:14
DaemonFC[m]After that scandal there's probably few places that would just let them open up a new facility and say "Hey, we're here to gas you with this cancer shit.".Oct 16 16:15
DaemonFC[m]Me: Uhhhh, come again....Oct 16 16:17
DaemonFC[m] 16 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Roseanne owns state rep on fair wages, taxes, labor rights, and plight of the middle class - YouTubeOct 16 16:18
DaemonFC[m] 16 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Wisdoms of Al Bundy - YouTubeOct 16 16:27
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: "Door to door huh? That must take a lot of time. Why don't you just go down to the unemployment office and see everyone at once?" -Trump's AmericaOct 16 16:28
schestowitzUS... where showbiz means politicsOct 16 16:30
schestowitzRaegan, Schwarzenegger, Trump, BarrOct 16 16:30
schestowitzRoseanne retweeted me some years agoOct 16 16:31
schestowitzshe was unhinged back then, maybe still isOct 16 16:31
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Sneak In, Cyberpunk 2077, Plot of the Druid, Warhammer 40,000: MechanicusDota 2 and Zombie Panic! Source []Oct 16 16:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Laravel Programming | Tux Machines ☞ | #tuxmachines []Oct 16 16:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Arnold was on CNN last night.Oct 16 16:41
schestowitzAs Trump and GOP Refuse Aid Package, Studies Show 8 Million Forced Into Poverty Since McConnell Let Relief Expire Oct 16 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | As Trump and GOP Refuse Aid Package, Studies Show 8 Million Forced Into Poverty Since McConnell Let Relief Expire | Common Dreams NewsOct 16 16:42
DaemonFC[m]He said that setting up fake ballot boxes was ridiculous and that the Republican party was being "killed at the box office" and instead of coming up with anything better, they just set up fake ballot boxes.Oct 16 16:42
DaemonFC[m]Well, yeah.Oct 16 16:42
schestowitzPreOpration Paperclip Arnold :-)Oct 16 16:42
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, stonewalling people is such a bad idea here that Trump is beating on them to get something done.Oct 16 16:43
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DaemonFC[m]Nancy Pelosi isn't really worried.Oct 16 16:43
DaemonFC[m]The House passed two bills that are acceptable to Democrats.Oct 16 16:43
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans don't want to pass anything. Trump is furious and demanding a bill and personally attacking Mitch McConnell for not passing one, which plays into the Democrats' hands because they're giving tons of money to his challenger.Oct 16 16:44
schestowitzSame Arnold who was boosting and supporting BushOct 16 16:44
DaemonFC[m]Picking off the Senate Majority Leader would be a body blow to the Senate Republicans, on top of a seat pickup.Oct 16 16:44
DaemonFC[m]And Democrats can win statewide races in Kentucky.Oct 16 16:45
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Madigan and Commonwealth Edison Oct 16 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Political Corruption in Illinois: the Case of Michael Madigan and Commonwealth Edison - CounterPunch.orgOct 16 17:15
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, knew about that.Oct 16 17:18
DaemonFC[m]Nobody has indicted him yet.Oct 16 17:18
schestowitz                 but I just saw that moments agoOct 16 17:19
schestowitzrecalled what you had said about himOct 16 17:19
schestowitzLindsey Graham Just ‘Committed a Crime in Plain Sight’ Oct 16 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lindsey Graham Just ‘Committed a Crime in Plain Sight’ | The NationOct 16 17:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yes, he's like the Vladimir Putin of IllinoisOct 16 17:22
DaemonFC[m]We have a governor, but Mike Madigan is much more powerful than the governor.Oct 16 17:22
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: But Madigan and Pritzker are pretty much on the same page. Oct 16 17:23
DaemonFC[m]Pritzker's ideas all pretty much sail through the legislature because Madigan is the one behind it.Oct 16 17:28
DaemonFC[m]That minimum wage bill probably passed to increase income taxes.Oct 16 17:28
DaemonFC[m]It's not politically difficult. It raises taxes, but nobody complains because they make more money.Oct 16 17:29
DaemonFC[m]I put the fraud alert back on our credit reports after the tenant screening.Oct 16 17:31
DaemonFC[m]Fraud Alert is basically like a "yellow alert" for your credit.Oct 16 17:31
DaemonFC[m]You know, "Something fishy might happen, so raise the shields and standby.".Oct 16 17:31
DaemonFC[m]A Security Freeze would be like "red alert".Oct 16 17:31
DaemonFC[m]That stops someone from pulling your credit, at all.Oct 16 17:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ‘Sea Of Thieves’ And ‘Horizon Zero Dawn’ Lead New Wave Of Games On Linux []Oct 16 17:32
DaemonFC[m]A Fraud Alert is something that creditors can see and then they demand additional verification that you're really you. So everyone should have a Fraud Alert because they're probably not going to have a hard time copying their license and sending it to a credit card company. Oct 16 17:32
DaemonFC[m]But a scammer isn't going to have your Social Security card and driver's license, probably. Oct 16 17:33
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KD Reports 1.8.2 has been released | Tux Machines ☞ | #tuxmachines []Oct 16 17:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CoyIM – A GTK+ Chat Client Focus on Safety and Security | Tux Machines ☞ | #tuxmachines []Oct 16 17:37
DaemonFC[m]I just went ahead and froze my credit report.Oct 16 17:49
DaemonFC[m]That should stop anyone who tries to open new credit. You can temporarily lift or remove that anytime. Oct 16 17:50
DaemonFC[m]Oh, if someone has your SSN you can be dealing with fraud for years.Oct 16 17:50
DaemonFC[m]Also, Comcast and others sometimes use prison labor, so you may be giving your SSN to a prisoner.Oct 16 17:50
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txLotsa politickingOct 16 18:08
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI had a napOct 16 18:08
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWas a good napOct 16 18:08
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DaemonFC[m]My mom is going to court next month to testify for the landlord.Oct 16 18:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 16/10/2020: KD Reports 1.8.2 and Proton 5.13-1 []Oct 16 18:21
DaemonFC[m]There were some people that got months late on the rent. He asked if one of them had lost their job, they said yes. He offered the guy free rent if he would go around painting and doing stuff at his other apartments until they could get back on their feet. The guy says okay and then they sneak out in the middle of the night and leave a bunch of trash in their apartment.Oct 16 18:21
DaemonFC[m]This was about 2 years before the Coronavirus.Oct 16 18:22
DaemonFC[m]It just took him this long to find them and sue.Oct 16 18:22
DaemonFC[m]He owned half of Huntington and many other units in the county and surrounding areasOct 16 18:22
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txA lot of bad karma there.Oct 16 18:22
DaemonFC[m]He only sues about 2-3 people per year because you really really have to piss this guy off and be completely unreasonable and not agree to work something out first.Oct 16 18:23
DaemonFC[m]Oh, they moved out after screwing him for 3 months rent and trashing the place and then they tried using him for a reference.Oct 16 18:23
MinceR> 16 171200 < DaemonFC[m]> He was trying to install the Cone of Silence in his office so they couldn't bug him and figure out all the corrupt things he was letting big polluters get away with on behalf of Trump.Oct 16 18:35
MinceRbut the Cone of Silence never worksOct 16 18:35
DaemonFC[m]YeahOct 16 18:50
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: So I found out why there was no criminal history on the screening report that our new landlord ran. Transunion Smartmove is what the company he went through uses on the backend.Oct 16 18:58
DaemonFC[m]If they don't see "conviction" then they don't report it.Oct 16 18:58
DaemonFC[m]So by avoiding "conviction" I have no criminal history as far as Transunion goes.Oct 16 18:59
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure they got sued by people who had an arrest record but not a conviction.Oct 16 18:59
DaemonFC[m]If the court doesn't take it seriously enough to pursue a conviction, why should anyone else?Oct 16 19:00
DaemonFC[m]Also, legally, an arrest doesn't, by itself, mean you did anything wrong. It's an accusation that further proceedings will handle. Oct 16 19:01
DaemonFC[m]An arrest is just "It's more likely than not that something happened.".Oct 16 19:01
DaemonFC[m]Basically they only have to go in and convince a judge that there's a 50.1% chance that the complaint is true.Oct 16 19:01
DaemonFC[m]That's the only safeguard unless the cops themselves witnessed something happening and decided to arrest on the spot.Oct 16 19:02
DaemonFC[m]Cops can use their discretion in whether to arrest or cite for a crime they committed. They do not have to take you downtown and book you. They can write out a criminal complaint against you in their police car and give you a court date.Oct 16 19:03
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DaemonFC[m]*they saw committedOct 16 19:03
DaemonFC[m]If it's something so small they don't want to deal with it, they usually just cite.Oct 16 19:03
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DaemonFC[m]I understand that the UK has something entirely different.Oct 16 19:03
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes the police give you an option between being arrested and getting a formal warning. If you accept the warning, you have a criminal record that says "This happened and the police warned him." but you avoid being arrested and put on trial.Oct 16 19:04
DaemonFC[m]So many people accept the warning even if it isn't true. Oct 16 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes the police warn, but a warning never goes down in any official records except maybe a police report number that nobody will ever see.Oct 16 19:06
DaemonFC[m]Unless it's a traffic ticket. They can issue you an informal warning (no record), a warning ticket (other cops can see it, but no fine and doesn't affect your insurance or driving records), or an actual ticket. Oct 16 19:07
DaemonFC[m]Most states have laws that say like 3 warning tickets and you get points on your license. So 3 warning tickets in Indiana can be as bad for your insurance as 1 actual ticket.Oct 16 19:07
DaemonFC[m]But still no fine.Oct 16 19:07
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I was reading about the national maximum speed law that existed from the 70s to 1995.Oct 16 19:10
DaemonFC[m]In response to the Arab oil embargoes, Congress passed a bunch of laws intended to save energy.Oct 16 19:10
DaemonFC[m]In fact, nobody paid attention to that law and some states, to keep their highway money, passed a law where you'd get a $5 energy wasting ticket as long as you were not exceeding 65 on a 55 mph freeway.Oct 16 19:11
DaemonFC[m]It was based on kind of a crap idea though, that all cars get their best fuel economy at 55 miles an hour.Oct 16 19:11
DaemonFC[m]It depends on drag coefficients and the weight of the vehicle, and in what speeds the transmission is in which gear, and all kinds of things really. The engine type....Oct 16 19:12
DaemonFC[m]So different cars might get optimal gas mileage at all kinds of speeds, but usually between 50 and 62 mph.Oct 16 19:12
DaemonFC[m]So here's a one size fits all law based on junk science that everyone laughs at.Oct 16 19:13
DaemonFC[m]But it's the government, so....Oct 16 19:13
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txGuess they just needed a simple assumption to work withOct 16 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Oct 16 19:15
DaemonFC[m]The funny part is that car manufacturers did respond and tune their cars for the optimal gas mileage around 55, but then the law got repealed.Oct 16 19:15
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWhen Mozilla's TLS certificates are supplied by AmazonOct 16 19:17
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txNot suspicious at allOct 16 19:17
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txEvery time I see a Mozilla ad post now I want to cringeOct 16 19:18
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWhat happened to them? Does anybody know?Oct 16 19:18
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DaemonFC[m]They got their brains scooped out and they're worried about selling ads and pitching Burn Loot Murder with the rest of Silicon Valley.Oct 16 19:24
DaemonFC[m]Meanwhile, more websites are broken if it's not Chromium-based and they have nobody there fixing it.Oct 16 19:24
DaemonFC[m]I predict that within two years, Mozilla will have gone through another round of layoffs and declare that they're switching to Chromium.Oct 16 19:24
MinceRfinally there will be a chromium-based browser with no ALSA supportOct 16 19:25
MinceRi can hardly waitOct 16 19:25
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWhen Tor browser might be the only option for Firefox users. lolOct 16 19:27
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIdk what their ALSA support is like, however.Oct 16 19:27
MinceRprobably the same as official failfox binaries: noneOct 16 19:30
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSad noises from this Firefox user. I operate pretty much only with text.Oct 16 19:31
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI remember having issues with Firefox and sound on BSDs as wellOct 16 19:32
MinceRmozilla is trying to push poetteringaudio even on BSDs?Oct 16 19:32
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIdk tbh. I never really looked into it much. I was just doing some tests.Oct 16 19:33
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI just noticed some microphone issues. But I got sound and that's all I needed and the basic browser funcitonality.Oct 16 19:35
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txfunctionality*Oct 16 19:35
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx5*Oct 16 19:50
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kingoffrancei dunno, i think i heard something like mozilla stuff builds with certain audio support and not with others i.e. the default changed, so it just makes some ppl compile who wouldnt otherwise; that was a while backOct 16 20:12
kingoffrancethat was my understanding last i heard related things: it was binary packages and maybe configure defaultsOct 16 20:13
kingoffrancebut whatever the prior stuff was still there if you compile yourselfOct 16 20:13
kingoffranceso then the q becomes what options do distros build their binary packages withOct 16 20:13
kingoffrancedo they mirror "upstream" or notOct 16 20:13
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txMakes senseOct 16 20:16
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI've noticed that FreeBSD ports usually contains better instructions for building than Linux.Oct 16 20:17
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe cynic in me says this is partly intentional to funnel more people towards Red Hat and friendsOct 16 20:18
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DaemonFC[m]Brave warns that the Tor Mode may not actually protect your privacy due to limitations of Chromium.Oct 16 21:06
DaemonFC[m]They say they're working on that but it's to be considered a beta feature.Oct 16 21:06
MinceRit would be difficult to make it appear like Tor Browser to all websites anywayOct 16 21:07
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI doubt Google will ever make it easy to use Tor on any of their productsOct 16 21:07
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt is in direct opposition to their goals as a companyOct 16 21:07
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe EU is getting pretty tough on data privacy issuesOct 16 21:11
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIf they made it mandatory to wipe tracking mechanisms from ISP systems, that'd be great.Oct 16 21:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I re-did my review.Oct 16 21:12
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Oct 16 21:12
DaemonFC[m]I stole one from Linus Torvalds.Oct 16 21:14
DaemonFC[m]"malicious evil motherfucker" about sums the office Karen up.Oct 16 21:14
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txGrats on finding a new placeOct 16 21:15
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txHope you enjoy it :)Oct 16 21:15
MinceRlol @ perkeleen vittupääOct 16 21:17
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txSounds FinnishOct 16 21:17
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: If I have to file a police report in response, I'm just going to say I don't know the name of the lady screaming that we were denied, so I will hereby refer to her as "Office Karen".Oct 16 21:18
DaemonFC[m]Here we see the Office Karen in its natural habitat.Oct 16 21:19
DaemonFC[m]See it shrill and scream at working class people for asking for an apartment and then get on the phone to demand the police supervisor. Oct 16 21:19
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThinking about how to shag her boss for a raiseOct 16 21:19
MinceR:>Oct 16 21:19
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txRandom thoughtOct 16 21:24
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txHow about hashing emails as a standard practiceOct 16 21:25
XRevan86scientes: Have you heard that Soyuzmultfilm removed Soviet cartoons from YouTube?Oct 16 21:26
DaemonFC[m]I just want to live somewhere where you don't cough and set off the fire alarm.Oct 16 21:34
DaemonFC[m]That would be an improvement.Oct 16 21:34
DaemonFC[m]This place is terrible, but I'll give them a fair review once I'm gone, focusing on the part where it was cheap and it was there for us when we needed a place to live and landlords were being completely unreasonable. Oct 16 21:35
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DaemonFC[m]I feel sorry for the management here. They just had another break-in.Oct 16 22:08
DaemonFC[m]People are smashing the windows out and so I walk down to pay my rent up for the next week and there's a smashed out window again. Beer sitting on the table. TV going.Oct 16 22:08
DaemonFC[m]Another plywood board they're getting ready to put up. Oct 16 22:09
DaemonFC[m]I try not to get into other people's business.Oct 16 22:09
DaemonFC[m]I have enough problems without borrowing more. Oct 16 22:09
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: speaking of Office, MS Office is dyingOct 16 22:11
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DaemonFC[m]I would really hope so.Oct 16 22:12
schestowitzThey push Office360 only nowOct 16 22:12
DaemonFC[m]I can't think of a good reason to use it.Oct 16 22:12
DaemonFC[m]I take it "360" is with the anticipation of all of the outages where you can't use it for hours or even most of a day.Oct 16 22:12
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txLaughs in LaTeXOct 16 22:12
DaemonFC[m]That's kind of dumb that a web server is glitching out and so you can't edit a document.Oct 16 22:13
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWhy on earth anyone that knows how to program wouldn't use LaTeX is beyond meOct 16 22:13
DaemonFC[m]I mean, basic computing task that could easily be done on a PC with local software for the past 30+ years. Oct 16 22:13
schestowitzXRevan86: or kile or lyxOct 16 22:13
schestowitzI love lyx, it goes a long way back, before kdeOct 16 22:14
XRevan86schestowitz: wrong cast :)Oct 16 22:14
DaemonFC[m]I can see why George R.R. Martin wouldn't give up Wordstar. Those OG typee Office programs were very no nonsense, like most older software was.Oct 16 22:14
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schestowitzI never used kile, I thinkOct 16 22:14
DaemonFC[m]Even MS Office 6.0 and 95 were not too bad. Oct 16 22:14
schestowitzbecause lyx and latex were enough, I can do both OKOct 16 22:14
schestowitzthough with web forms for everything you rarely need to produce pdfs or similarOct 16 22:15
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe thing I like about latex is that you can just cross-compile to something elseOct 16 22:15
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DaemonFC[m]The part where it required product activation and stuff was too much. I just started using StarOffice honestly, and it was because of the Office XP product Activation.Oct 16 22:16
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI think most proprietary software that lives on the user's machine is going to end up needing an active internet connectionOct 16 22:16
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's the only feasible way to enforce DRMOct 16 22:16
schestowitzwow, 10k covid cases in italy today, germany at over 8kOct 16 22:17
schestowitzbelgium leads the pack again per capitaOct 16 22:17
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's October fest seasonOct 16 22:18
DaemonFC[m]It's really dumb to rely on software where a remote server malfunction could take it out, unless the computing task is just so enormous that you couldn't do it locally to begin with.Oct 16 22:18
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWhat regulationsOct 16 22:18
schestowitzof course china keeps lying and making up numbersOct 16 22:18
schestowitzvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: well, to drink at one's own home maybeOct 16 22:18
DaemonFC[m]I think document editing in the "cloud" is nuts.Oct 16 22:18
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's really dumb to rely on Microsoft to provide good service. But people do it anywayOct 16 22:18
schestowitzit is, DaemonFC[m]Oct 16 22:19
schestowitzit's about business modelaOct 16 22:19
DaemonFC[m]If you could do it locally 30 years ago, there's no excuse for why it needs a "cloud" now.Oct 16 22:19
schestowitzand social controlOct 16 22:19
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's DRM enforcementOct 16 22:19
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThat's itOct 16 22:19
schestowitznot just storing docs there, also lettting them log the authoring processOct 16 22:19
DaemonFC[m]DRM and government spying.Oct 16 22:19
DaemonFC[m]If you stop paying, you lose access to it.Oct 16 22:19
DaemonFC[m]No more worrying about frugal users going, "You know what, I don't need any features in the new version, so I'll just skip it.".Oct 16 22:20
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou want to know something else?Oct 16 22:20
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txWhy do you think Google are pushing low-power hardware like chromebooks?Oct 16 22:20
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThey're normalizing cloud relianceOct 16 22:20
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's subversionOct 16 22:20
DaemonFC[m]DRM is where software publishers go when they can't compel people to pay for an upgrade because there's nothing important in the upgrade. Oct 16 22:20
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DaemonFC[m]Eventually, the program does everything it needs to do and you're just sticking a new version on it and breaking file formats to force upgrades.Oct 16 22:21
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThe traditional proprietary software model is dealOct 16 22:21
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txCloud SaaS is the last standOct 16 22:21
DaemonFC[m]Of course, none of this was new. I was asking my dad why he was installing Office 97 if Office 95 worked fineOct 16 22:22
DaemonFC[m]He said that the boss at Thomson decided to roll out Office 97 and if you shared documents back and forth it would break them.Oct 16 22:22
DaemonFC[m]So they had to buy site licenses and tell their employees to upgrade to Office 97 at home.Oct 16 22:22
DaemonFC[m]90s software in general worked fine.Oct 16 22:23
DaemonFC[m]There wasn't too much room for bling bling so they just got it working and shipped it.Oct 16 22:23
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI think LaTeX hasn't really changed fundamentally in a decade at leastOct 16 22:24
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txIt's just getting new packages for fancy things like graphicsOct 16 22:24
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAnd maybe some optimisation workOct 16 22:24
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txDon't fix it if it ain't brokeOct 16 22:24
DaemonFC[m]I booked my mom a hotel room over at the Hampton.Oct 16 22:25
DaemonFC[m]She's coming up here for a weekend.Oct 16 22:25
DaemonFC[m]I was hoping we'd have an apartment by this month but I'm just glad it worked out at all.Oct 16 22:25
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'm considering giving this laptop to Mandy. Oct 16 22:27
DaemonFC[m]I'm looking for something a bit newer that was a Linux pre-install.Oct 16 22:27
DaemonFC[m]This had an outrageous amount of RAM in 2016 so it's still fine on that part, but the processor is a bit pokey.Oct 16 22:27
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txYou can look at the second-hand marketOct 16 22:29
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThere's always great laptops for sale that have barely been usedOct 16 22:29
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI've been using second-hand laptops for the last few years. It's still to expensive to build a laptop from scratchOct 16 22:29
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txMy desktop is the only thing I build from scratchOct 16 22:29
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vZS1aHdksSQKx2txEbay always has good laptops going aroundOct 16 22:31
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txEspecially refurbishedOct 16 22:31
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txThey even sell with warranty for a lot of refurbished laptops, these daysOct 16 22:31
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Essence and Jorge said that the landlord did call looking for a reference.Oct 16 22:35
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DaemonFC[m]They told him we were very quiet people who kept to ourselves and we've never caused a problem here and we pay rent early and that we are orderly with our housekeeping and that our cats are well behaved. Oct 16 22:36
DaemonFC[m]That was so nice of them.Oct 16 22:37
DaemonFC[m]I need another problem in my life like I need a hole in the head.Oct 16 22:37
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: If you need a ref, I can give you oneOct 16 22:40
schestowitzI knew you 12 years online, but...Oct 16 22:40
schestowitzI think by reference they mean past landlord of landlafyOct 16 22:41
schestowitz*ladyOct 16 22:41
schestowitzso maybe the manager at the motelOct 16 22:41
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oiaohmvZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: big changes with Latex software over the years has been more the default include fonts.   Early on they did not care about the copyright of different fonts included.Oct 16 22:52
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txDid know thatOct 16 22:54
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txDid not*Oct 16 22:55
oiaohmIt was debian project requirements that they caused a audit and regular bug reports over it.   We are talking 1996-2010 to get the fonts sorted out and where required suitably replaced.Oct 16 22:57
oiaohmSo If you only touched it in the last 10 years you would not have seen anything.Oct 16 22:57
oiaohmCore defualt fonts were fixed by year 2000.Oct 16 22:58
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txI have indeed only been using it in the last 10 yearsOct 16 22:58
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "I think by reference they mean p"> Yes, and by a former landlord in Indiana from 2007-2012. I asked him "Please talk to this guy. He's a Century 21 agent and he owns about half of Huntington, Indiana, and a lot of the surrounding area, and I think he'll give me a good reference.".Oct 16 22:58
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I made the manager here laugh.Oct 16 22:59
vZS1aHdksSQKx2txAnd even then, I use LaTeX in a very hacky way. I just look stuff up as I need.Oct 16 22:59
DaemonFC[m]She said, "What happened to the first people?".Oct 16 22:59
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Oh, Briarwood? They turned out to be a couple of Karens in an office. They saw a gay married couple and one is an immigrant and they decided to feed bad data to their screening company. So I came back to tell them to please correct it and they freaked out on me, assaulted me, and called the police.".Oct 16 23:00
DaemonFC[m]She's like, "They called the police after assaulting you?".Oct 16 23:00
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Yeah, and I was stunned. I called the police department to ask if I needed to come down there and talk to them about this because I hadn't done anything wrong and the police laughed and said they just had to take the report but nothing would come out of it.".Oct 16 23:01
DaemonFC[m]"The police laughed. The attorney I spoke with about it laughed. It's just ridiculous."Oct 16 23:01
DaemonFC[m]The police hate things like this. They have to go waste their time dealing with a bunch of Karens down there about a giant nothing burger.Oct 16 23:03
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If I wanted to, I could have sued my former landlord for removing me from the lease on that place in Fox Lake, but I'm just not a litigious person.Oct 16 23:04
DaemonFC[m]The lease says they can remove you for being convicted of a Class A Misdemeanor or a felony. I plead down to a Class C Misdemeanor and no conviction was entered.Oct 16 23:05
DaemonFC[m]But I didn't want to be on the lease anyway, so I didn't contest it. Oct 16 23:05
DaemonFC[m]Oh it has to say Class A Misdemeanor or worse.Oct 16 23:05
DaemonFC[m]The Bs and Cs are stupid shit.Oct 16 23:05
DaemonFC[m]I mean, like driving on an expired license is a B. Oct 16 23:05
DaemonFC[m]I don't think that the court proceedings last year will have much of an effect on my life. In fact, what they did to me at Briarwood wasn't even legal.Oct 16 23:07
DaemonFC[m]They're just shifty peopple who don't want to give an answer because they broke the law.Oct 16 23:07
DaemonFC[m]Some law. Who knows which one?Oct 16 23:07
schestowitzhmmOct 16 23:08
DaemonFC[m]Illinois law says you can't discriminate on sexual orientation. But you can still do it. You just find some other reason to officially deny, or make up a bunch of nonsense.Oct 16 23:08
DaemonFC[m]Like, "Oh we won't consider his monthly income because he's only worked since April. So we cut that in half because we need to see a full year.".Oct 16 23:09
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