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[00:00]	DaemonFC	And so like, if it's not even going to work properly for me, why would I use it? And the Microsoft propaganda on their Web site is sort of a big problem on its own, which is up there.
[00:00]	MinceR	https://apina.biz/166388.png?mode=sfw
[00:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/166388.png
[00:00]	DaemonFC	WSL and Hyper-V spam happens with IBM, of course, but at least Fedora is less buggy than Ubuntu by a lot.
[00:00]	TR News	AWS was losing money FOR YEARS and Microsoft probably STILL loses money on Azure, judging by all the layoffs. Clown computing isn't a business model. It's a trap. You entice people/companies/govs to lock their systems in PROPRIETARY UIs and various secret interfaces. Later on, when enough prisoners are there, the prices soar.
[00:00]	MinceR	if they didn't want bugs, why did they ship systemd?
[00:01]	DaemonFC	The WSL/Hyper-V thing is like a foaming-at-the-mouth endorsement from Canonical and IBM/RH are just like "Hey, it's an option for our customers who want that.".
[00:01]	DaemonFC	It's not like Canonical where they're obviously paid spammers.
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR]	it's Novell reborn
[00:02]	DaemonFC	Yes, the Snap Store is a dumping ground of proprietary/MS crap.
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	news is soo slow
[00:02]	MinceR	red hat is officially allied with MICROS~1
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	I was gonna do a video about clown computing
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	but I realise we covered those aspects several times in the past
[00:02]	MinceR	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/redhat-microsoft.jpg
[00:02]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah, THAT
[00:03]	schestowitz[TR]	you have to be morally bankrupt to work for these companies now
[00:03]	schestowitz[TR]	many from red hat escaped from ibm
[00:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and went to work for amazon
[00:03]	DaemonFC	A lot of people have quit at Canonical.
[00:03]	schestowitz[TR]	many in amazon now, I checked
[00:03]	DaemonFC	The community is gone, emptied out.
[00:03]	schestowitz[TR]	now amazon announes layoffs
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	and the bugs (like Alex) lose them BILLIONS
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	apparently their business model does NOT include profitability
[00:04]	DaemonFC	Amazon Clown Services got Jean-Marc Valin after Mozilla quit funding his work on Opus.
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	all those companies inn "Bay Area" are the same
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	money furnaces
[00:04]	DaemonFC	These White Collar jobs are very unstable, it seems.
[00:04]	schestowitz[TR]	canonical became a firm or resellers
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	clown resellers, other lousy salespeople
[00:05]	DaemonFC	People jump from employer to employer every year or two.
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	many engineers are leaving such companies
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	some try misguided companies
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	that stand no chance
[00:05]	DaemonFC	My dad was an engineer. He had a stable "career" until "Free Trade".
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	that's old
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	1950-2000
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	or 1990
[00:05]	DaemonFC	Then RCA sacked him and he never had a job more than a couple years.
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	you could work for same company for  decades
[00:05]	DaemonFC	Yeah, he limped by between unemployment and contract work for 20 yeaes.
[00:05]	schestowitz[TR]	I woulds reach 12 years in my current employer in feb
[00:05]	DaemonFC	*years
[00:06]	DaemonFC	Then went ahead and retired.
[00:06]	schestowitz[TR]	and that's a stretch
[00:06]	schestowitz[TR]	brb, daily links now
[00:07]	DaemonFC	https://www.today.com/video/biden-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-paxlovid-rebound-145164869503
[00:07]	TR Bot	 Biden tests positive for COVID-19 after Paxlovid rebound
[00:07]	DaemonFC	COVID is worse in Presidents.
[00:08]	DaemonFC	It puts them in a brain fog where they sit there signing blank sheets of paper. ;)
[00:10]	DaemonFC	"We think Putin's health is failing him because he grabbed a table." "Oh, Biden wandering around aimlessly shuffling and asking 8 times in a row to speak with a dead woman? Not a problem. Nothing to see here!"
[00:11]	XRevan86	If the US survived Trump, it can survive this. I believe in you :P.
[00:12]	DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cy4w6x8wwM
[00:12]	TR Bot	https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=0cy4w6x8wwM
[00:12]	TR Bot	not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=0cy4w6x8wwM )
[00:12]	TR News	 (NEW): Libreboot and FSF News http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Libreboot_and_FSF_News.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Libreboot_and_FSF_News.gmi 
[00:12]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Libreboot and FSF News
[00:14]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: July 31, 2022
[00:14]	schestowitz	I was gonna say
[00:14]	schestowitz	"AGAIN?"
[00:14]	schestowitz	maybe he competes with bourla over who gets infected more times
[00:14]	schestowitz	also, he is not ill
[00:14]	schestowitz	he is just Sleepy(TM)
[00:14]	schestowitz	Joe "tleast i'm no trump" Bye-Den
[00:14]	XRevan86	https://youtu.be/OcYr6OYOL2I Completely unrelated.
[00:14]	TR Bot	https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=OcYr6OYOL2I
[00:14]	TR Bot	invidious.weblibre.org | Happy New Year from Leonid Brezhnev! - Invidious
[00:15]	TR News	 (NEW): Web Browsers: cURL and Mozilla Firefox http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Web_Browsers_cURL_and_Mozilla_Firefox.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Web_Browsers_cURL_and_Mozilla_Firefox.gmi 
[00:15]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Web Browsers: cURL and Mozilla Firefox
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR]	COVID-19 strategy:
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR]	we need to avoid COVID-19
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR]	we need to bear COVID-19
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR]	we can't beat it
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR]	heck, let's just learn to live with it
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR]	many deaths? No worries, at least We're Free(TM) again
[00:17]	schestowitz[TR]	(ignore all those dead bodies "piling up"-Borisnaro)
[00:17]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=1897944
[00:17]	TR Bot	 Epic strikes back at Apples iOS security defense in appeals court | Ars Technica
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[00:18]	AdmFubar	winner!!! https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/this-years-ugly-microsoft-sweater-has-a-suggestion-for-you-its-clippy/
[00:18]	TR Bot	 This years ugly Microsoft sweater has a suggestion for you: Its Clippy | Ars Technica
[00:18]	schestowitz[TR]	Ars Technica= mouth of MKicrosoft
[00:19]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=1897895
[00:19]	TR Bot	 Musk fires Twitter engineers for correcting, criticizing him on Twitter, Slack | Ars Technica
[00:19]	schestowitz[TR]	sister site of redddit
[00:19]	schestowitz[TR]	a microsoft censorship site
[00:19]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter uses slack LOL
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	musk wants just obedient (but incompetent) people
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	that explains why tesla makes such awful products
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	and barely anyone buys those
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	less than a million all in all iirc
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	massive losses
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	he now has massively overvalued companies
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	that operate at a loss
[00:21]	schestowitz[TR]	and look for ways to get bailouts from taxpayers or money from misled shareholders
[00:21]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter is a disinformation platform
[00:21]	schestowitz[TR]	musk likes that
[00:21]	schestowitz[TR]	he can sell his frauds and scams there
[00:21]	schestowitz[TR]	like shitcoins before the collapse
[00:22]	AdmFubar	https://www.firstpost.com/world/eight-billion-and-counting-world-will-take-another-15-years-to-add-next-billion-11632971.html
[00:22]	TR Bot	 Eight billion and counting: World will take another 15 years to add next billion
[00:23]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D756.jpg
[00:23]	AdmFubar	he's too busy buying frauds and scams to notice how badly his companies are doing
[00:23]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D414.jpg
[00:23]	schestowitz[TR]	the media misreports wealth
[00:23]	schestowitz[TR]	a lot of that is speculative at best
[00:24]	schestowitz[TR]	re human population, that assumes no major events
[00:24]	schestowitz[TR]	like nuclear war
[00:24]	schestowitz[TR]	the risk of it is a lot greater now
[00:24]	schestowitz[TR]	and not some "small timne" nuclear nation like pakistan
[00:24]	schestowitz[TR]	but russia and us
[00:26]	AdmFubar	as long as the magic smoke doesn't come out  https://hackaday.com/2022/11/15/mastodon-comes-to-the-ibm-pc/
[00:26]	TR Bot	Comes To The IBM PC | Hackaday
[00:26]	TR News	Links 15/11/2022: BackBox Linux 8 and EuroLinux 8.7 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/15/eurolinux-8-7-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/15/eurolinux-8-7-released/
[00:26]	TR Bot	 Links 15/11/2022: BackBox Linux 8 and EuroLinux 8.7 Released | Techrights
[00:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[00:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
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[00:36]	AdmFubar	hhhmmm is this how we have gut feelings???  https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-gut-microbiome-helps-social-skills-develop-in-the-brain-20221115/
[00:36]	TR Bot	 Quanta Magazine
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[00:40]	AdmFubar	https://www.salon.com/2022/11/15/hellofresh-is-the-latest-company-to-be-accused-of-using-coconut-milk-obtained-from-monkey-labor/
[00:40]	TR Bot	is the latest food company to be accused of using coconut milk obtained from monkey labor | Salon.com
[00:41]	MinceR	ape labor > monkey labor
[00:46]	AdmFubar	naked ape labor...
[00:46]	AdmFubar	https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/14/new-york-e-bike-batteries-fires-delivery-workers
[00:46]	TR Bot	 E-bike batteries have caused 200 fires in New York: Everyones scared | New York | The Guardian
[00:47]	MinceR	(fox) https://www.deviantart.com/alannah-hawker/art/Scamp-06-485391923
[00:47]	TR Bot	06 by Alannah-Hawker on DeviantArt
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[01:37]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> less than a million all in all iirc
[01:37]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> massive losses
[01:37]	DaemonFC	There's a Tesla dealer in Lake County.
[01:37]		*kiki_ is now known as KiKi
[01:38]	DaemonFC	It's always empty when I drive by it on US 41.
[01:38]	DaemonFC	Any time of day, nobody but salesmen walking around.
[01:38]	DaemonFC	brb
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[01:39]	NoseCandy	roll on thugs 
[01:40]	starstreak	linucks btw
[01:40]	starstreak	gnome console 43 is sweet
[01:40]	NoseCandy	thats gangsta nigga
[01:41]		*NoseCandy smokes a jeffery
[01:42]	NoseCandy	Get Him To The Greek
[01:44]	NoseCandy	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEtBDQDkEXc
[01:44]	TR Bot	https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=sEtBDQDkEXc
[01:44]	TR Bot	inv.bp.projectsegfau.lt | Get Him To The Greek - Jeffrey Scene - Invidious
[01:45]	NoseCandy	hello im jeffrey
[01:46]		*NoseCandy crushes up some morphine and prepares a line
[01:52]		*NoseCandy does the line of morphine off a strippers ass
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[02:33]	DaemonFC	Mom's real worried we'll take THE HOAX with us when we come down there in 10 days.
[02:33]	DaemonFC	She still wants us to go. That might not be a great idea.
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[02:37]	reptilian_thrills	fsf: the future of sharing is up to you!
[02:37]	reptilian_thrills	i dont want the fsf in charge of "sharing". they suck at it
[02:37]	reptilian_thrills	first, they spent years fucking the free culture movement, misrepresenting and campaigning against the very idea of free culture
[02:37]	reptilian_thrills	they suck at sharing
[02:38]	reptilian_thrills	then they spent years keeping stallman locked away
[02:38]	reptilian_thrills	then they made a separate-but-equal lieplanet to keep him from "sharing" with the real one
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[02:38]	reptilian_thrills	the fsf doesnt grasp the basics of sharing
[02:38]	reptilian_thrills	it would be like putting microsoft in charge of free so-- oh, they did that too
[02:38]	reptilian_thrills	no, fsf. FUCK OFF.
[02:38]	starstreak	hey reptilian_thrills 
[02:38]	starstreak	i tried openbsd but my computer caught fire
[02:39]	starstreak	so now im running my macbook
[02:39]	reptilian_thrills	the fsf SUCKS at sharing. the future of sharing ha nothing to do with them
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[02:39]	reptilian_thrills	 but my computer caught fire <- why would it do that? i mean, openbsd doesnt even have any software :P
[02:39]	starstreak	i forgot how good macOS is
[02:39]	starstreak	reptilian_thrills, it was definately openBSD
[02:40]	starstreak	there was a kernel panic and then fire came out of the keyboard
[02:40]	reptilian_thrills	"definitely lsd"-- literal safe-t-dance
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[02:40]	reptilian_thrills	 there was a kernel panic and then fire came out of the keyboard <- i know what happened
[02:40]	reptilian_thrills	you typed startx, didnt you
[02:40]	reptilian_thrills	rookie mistake
[02:40]	starstreak	openbsd didn't turn the cpu fan on
[02:40]	starstreak	im going to sue theo de raadt
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[02:40]	reptilian_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AiVnMazRIII
[02:41]	TR Bot	 Disney anti-open-source propaganda - Invidious
[02:41]	starstreak	anyway
[02:41]	starstreak	now im on a macbook
[02:41]	starstreak	macOS + irssi
[02:41]	reptilian_thrills	im going to sue theo de raadt <- tell him that it was the attack surface
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[02:41]	starstreak	they should rename openBSD to fireBSD
[02:41]	reptilian_thrills	then fire came out of the keyboard <- probably a driver problem. openbsd sucks at routing cpu cycles through the keyboard for processing, mac is better at it
[02:42]	reptilian_thrills	to fireBSD <- i think freebsd would sue them for trademark confusion
[02:42]	starstreak	im certainly glad i use keybase
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[02:42]	starstreak	when i switched to my mac, all my files were there
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[02:43]	reptilian_thrills	what really happened to your pc, other than the keyboard fire
[02:43]	reptilian_thrills	(a known bug)
[02:43]	starstreak	openbsd
[02:43]	reptilian_thrills	openbsd didn't turn the cpu fan on <- i found loading a sexy wallpaper fixes this
[02:43]	starstreak	i was using fvwm and i was installing stuff, i noticed a burning smell
[02:44]	reptilian_thrills	i noticed a burning smell <- you smoke like constantly though
[02:44]	starstreak	i vape
[02:44]	reptilian_thrills	so vape isnt smoke?
[02:44]	reptilian_thrills	vape smoke != smoke
[02:44]	starstreak	its an arrasol 
[02:44]	starstreak	im retarded
[02:45]	starstreak	aerosol
[02:48]	reptilian_thrills	til
[02:48]	reptilian_thrills	it heats it but it doesnt burn it
[02:49]	reptilian_thrills	/me was "burning" water earlier
[02:49]	reptilian_thrills	or turning it to vapour
[02:49]	reptilian_thrills	(not actually burning)
[02:50]	reptilian_thrills	speaking of mac
[02:50]	reptilian_thrills	i wonder if the artist doing the shadow deliberately made yay look like the (ancient) finder icon in the bottom panel  https://questionablecontent.net/comics/4916.png
[02:51]	reptilian_thrills	or if he even noticed 
[02:54]	starstreak	i can't even run the latest macos on my mac
[02:54]	starstreak	i might have to hax it
[02:54]	reptilian_thrills	do you have the old finder icon then?
[02:54]	reptilian_thrills	from the 90s
[02:54]	starstreak	no
[02:55]	starstreak	im two versions behind, not 20
[02:55]	reptilian_thrills	weve secretly replaced starstreaks macbook with a colourful imac, lets see if anyone notices
[02:55]	starstreak	:)
[02:55]	reptilian_thrills	starstreak: *looks at imac, looks at vape, tosses vape out the window*
[02:55]	starstreak	noooooooooo
[02:56]	reptilian_thrills	as long as we know whats really important
[02:56]	reptilian_thrills	have to use imac: oh well / have to get through day without pot: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[02:57]	reptilian_thrills	the imac ran a version of openbsd that had even less software but had way better icons and wallpaper
[02:57]	DaemonFC	I've noticed that mom is not a font of great ideas.
[02:57]	DaemonFC	"Why everyone seems to be getting sick." -CNBC
[02:57]	reptilian_thrills	because thats whats really important to apple users
[02:57]	DaemonFC	Probably because they're sick.
[02:57]	DaemonFC	Just an educated guess.
[02:57]	starstreak	im not sure i like macos as much as gnome
[02:58]	reptilian_thrills	gnome-image-viewer ftw
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[02:59]	starstreak	:)
[02:59]	reptilian_thrills	when i open a window that uses gtk, in the term it says it cant find my icons
[02:59]	starstreak	eye of gnome
[02:59]	reptilian_thrills	theres a good reason it cant find them
[02:59]	starstreak	because u suck?
[02:59]	reptilian_thrills	i deleted all my icons, ive been doing that for years
[02:59]	starstreak	openbsd killed my laptop
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[03:00]	reptilian_thrills	whats actually wrong with it
[03:00]	starstreak	i told you
[03:01]	starstreak	openbsd didnt support the cpu fan and it caught fire
[03:01]	reptilian_thrills	honestly i have trouble believing that. particularly the second part
[03:01]	reptilian_thrills	it should just shut off
[03:01]	reptilian_thrills	thats your firmware
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[03:02]	starstreak	nah there was a kernel panic and then BOOM
[03:02]	reptilian_thrills	its REALLY hard to make a cpu burn, you have to tweak so much shit in the settings
[03:02]	reptilian_thrills	or you have to run a dell
[03:02]	reptilian_thrills	but i wouldnt accuse you of doing that
[03:02]	starstreak	lol im just fucking with you
[03:02]	starstreak	my laptop is fine
[03:02]	reptilian_thrills	/me is relieved
[03:02]	starstreak	im still running arch linucks
[03:03]	IPFS	 IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated.      
[03:03]	reptilian_thrills	good thing you didnt run openbsd, i was just reading about a rash of exploding cpus on the mailing lists
[03:04]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
[03:04]	starstreak	lol
[03:04]	reptilian_thrills	we wrote some articles about it
[03:04]	starstreak	i was enjoying wow but it gets my laptop really hot and there are graphic glitches
[03:05]	starstreak	so i think im gonna open my laptop and clean out the dust
[03:05]	reptilian_thrills	lets not blame wine or anything
[03:05]	reptilian_thrills	if cleaning the dust helps with that i want to know
[03:05]	starstreak	it worked fine for a day
[03:05]	reptilian_thrills	i mean in general of course it does
[03:05]	reptilian_thrills	it worked fine for a day <- its probably because your version of wow is old and dusty
[03:05]	reptilian_thrills	you should get a modern version
[03:06]	starstreak	the modern version has updated graphics
[03:06]	starstreak	i doubt it would work on my old gpu
[03:06]	reptilian_thrills	if not for video games we would still be connecting teletypes to a pdp11
[03:07]	reptilian_thrills	fortunately spacewar dragged us kicking and screaming into this century, where we have video screens
[03:08]	reptilian_thrills	the good news is that openbsd still runs on a pdp11
[03:08]	reptilian_thrills	the bad news is the icons suck
[03:08]	reptilian_thrills	the pdp11 version of openbsd only supports xpm
[03:09]	reptilian_thrills	but it does support 1mp cameras, so thats cool
[03:09]	reptilian_thrills	only 1mp though
[03:09]	reptilian_thrills	and you have to put it on a big desk with lots of screens
[03:09]	reptilian_thrills	so theyre catering to a really specific audience
[03:10]	reptilian_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=14D5wKSVlXg
[03:10]	TR Bot	 DBZAbridged - Mahogany - Invidious
[03:13]	starstreak	the macbook is in my closet
[03:15]	reptilian_thrills	dont put it there, r kelly will hack into it
[03:16]	reptilian_thrills	then urine trouble
[03:16]	reptilian_thrills	youre in
[03:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[03:20]	starstreak	lol
[03:21]	reptilian_thrills	"i cant believe its a mac... a mac, a mac!"-- r kelly, trapped in the closet
[03:22]	reptilian_thrills	so a couple has a fight, because a man comes home to see his wife is messing with his computer
[03:22]	reptilian_thrills	and he says thats ok baby, there something i want you to see
[03:22]	reptilian_thrills	then he goes to the car and brings in a macbook
[03:22]	reptilian_thrills	and then r kelly bursts out of the closet with a gun and says LINUCKS!
[03:23]	reptilian_thrills	based on a true story
[03:25]	reptilian_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=SHnTocdD7sk
[03:25]	TR Bot	 "Weird Al" Yankovic - Trapped In The Drive-Thru - Invidious
[03:25]	starstreak	such a good song
[03:25]	reptilian_thrills	weird al has actually done TWO songs based on being trapped in a closet
[03:26]	reptilian_thrills	the second was trapped in the drive thru, a parody of a song about being stuck in a closet
[03:26]	reptilian_thrills	the first was actually about dreaming he was stuck i a closet with vanna white
[03:26]	reptilian_thrills	"night after night after night after night after night"
[03:27]	reptilian_thrills	he probably had irritable vowel syndrome
[03:28]	NoseCandy	thats gucci nigga
[03:29]	reptilian_thrills	https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g55557-d5037825-r610004146-Taco_Bell-Burleson_Texas.html
[03:29]	TR Bot	in the drive thru lane for 30 minutes - Review of Taco Bell, Burleson, TX - Tripadvisor
[03:29]	reptilian_thrills	imagine that happening, and blasting the weird al song while wating
[03:30]	reptilian_thrills	hopefully it wasnt 20 minutes before midnight, the fairy godmother warned it would turn back into sawdust by then
[03:30]	reptilian_thrills	"pumpkins are really expensive now"
[03:31]	reptilian_thrills	if you go to a steakhouse and theres sawdust on the floor, you know what happened
[03:31]	reptilian_thrills	/me wonders if they do that in canada
[03:31]	reptilian_thrills	canada has lots of trees, which they make log cabins from
[03:31]	reptilian_thrills	they have to put the sawdust somewhere
[03:32]	reptilian_thrills	/me knows from watching television that all the buildings in canada (or at least saskatchuan) are log-cabin style
[03:32]	starstreak	lol
[03:33]	reptilian_thrills	in toronto the tvo building is a log-cabin sky scraper
[03:33]	reptilian_thrills	i mean they reinforce it with steel beams
[03:33]	reptilian_thrills	but other than that its all log
[03:33]	reptilian_thrills	saves on heating
[03:34]	reptilian_thrills	in ontario theyre rolling out combination central heating/central vaping
[03:34]	reptilian_thrills	instead of having individual vape units, which are inefficient and expensive
[03:35]	reptilian_thrills	they have central vaping so it just comes out of the ventilation
[03:35]	starstreak	your so dumb sometimes
[03:35]	reptilian_thrills	 <3
[03:36]	starstreak	u like openbsd, like omg
[03:36]	reptilian_thrills	funnily enough, the reason i like openbsd is actually a canadian
[03:36]	reptilian_thrills	not de raadt
[03:36]	reptilian_thrills	mike myers
[03:37]	reptilian_thrills	linucks tsorvalds was saying that it was made by monkeys
[03:37]	reptilian_thrills	and then mike myers put on a unitard and pretended he was german
[03:37]	reptilian_thrills	and he said "touch my monkey"
[03:37]	reptilian_thrills	"touch him, love him, love my monkey"
[03:38]	reptilian_thrills	(he did this as dieter from sprockets)
[03:38]	reptilian_thrills	and i thought that was so funny i was like "i wonder what openbsd is like"
[03:38]	starstreak	is KDE available for openbsd?
[03:38]	starstreak	i need a modern desktop
[03:38]	reptilian_thrills	you can run kde server on it, openbsd doesnt have desktops
[03:39]	starstreak	freebsd then :P
[03:39]	reptilian_thrills	better than arch
[03:39]	reptilian_thrills	 :D
[03:40]	reptilian_thrills	(he did this as dieter from sprockets) <- i picture dr sixel this way
[03:40]	reptilian_thrills	in a black unitard smoking with a cigarette holder
[03:40]	starstreak	freebsd runs kde
[03:40]	reptilian_thrills	of course he cant afford tobacco so he smokes chicory
[03:41]	starstreak	ohhhhh but but but
[03:41]	starstreak	freebsd can't run world of warcraft :P
[03:41]	reptilian_thrills	maybe not
[03:41]	starstreak	wine
[03:41]	reptilian_thrills	but if any bsd could
[03:41]	reptilian_thrills	it would be freebsd
[03:42]	reptilian_thrills	yeah for some reason wine needs linucks
[03:42]	starstreak	wine runs on mac
[03:42]	reptilian_thrills	its almost as if... linucks is closer to windows...
[03:42]	reptilian_thrills	wine runs on mac <- mac is based on freebsd
[03:42]	reptilian_thrills	sort of
[03:42]	starstreak	long time ago
[03:42]	starstreak	mac is based on darwin
[03:42]	reptilian_thrills	yeah it had the finder icon
[03:42]	reptilian_thrills	i know, but what was darwin
[03:42]	reptilian_thrills	mach
[03:42]	starstreak	darwin was forked from freebsd back in the 90s
[03:42]	reptilian_thrills	finder icon!
[03:43]	starstreak	you saw the finder icon when i sent you a macos screenshot
[03:43]	reptilian_thrills	do if you put darwin on freebsd then you can install wine
[03:43]	reptilian_thrills	you saw the finder icon when i sent you a macos screenshot <- ah i wondered if they still had one
[03:44]	reptilian_thrills	i didnt find it :)
[03:44]	starstreak	it was the first icon
[03:44]	reptilian_thrills	when i look at icons i start in the middle of the screen
[03:44]	reptilian_thrills	i mean the dock is centred
[03:45]	reptilian_thrills	can macos run kde
[03:45]	starstreak	no
[03:45]	reptilian_thrills	aha
[03:45]	reptilian_thrills	so openbsd is just like a mac then :)
[03:46]	starstreak	except openbsd has no programs
[03:46]	reptilian_thrills	programs waste cpu
[03:46]	starstreak	i need the element app to talk to my best friend
[03:46]	reptilian_thrills	openbsd is efficient
[03:51]	starstreak	like my binder? https://i.imgur.com/ir4GINk.jpeg
[03:52]	reptilian_thrills	nice
[03:53]	reptilian_thrills	is that an ereader
[03:53]	starstreak	lol no its a binder
[03:53]	reptilian_thrills	i mean in the... pocket
[03:53]	reptilian_thrills	or is that just silkscreened on there
[03:54]	starstreak	no, they're stickers
[03:54]	reptilian_thrills	oh cool
[03:54]	starstreak	mr robot
[03:54]	reptilian_thrills	that much is certain
[03:56]	reptilian_thrills	five star: fuck trapper keeper, look what we can do!
[03:57]	reptilian_thrills	lisa frank: *vapes lsd and glitter*
[03:57]	reptilian_thrills	/me gets r kelly to endorse linucks, waits for sfc reaction
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[03:59]	DaemonFC	https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/63
[03:59]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/63 )
[03:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 80.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[03:59]	DaemonFC	Meanwhile, the US Senate voted 62-36 to rescind the COVID-19 emergency.
[03:59]	DaemonFC	Wow. That was easy.
● Nov 16
[04:00]	DaemonFC	We can just pass a law to make the emergency over now.
[04:07]	starstreak	reptilian_thrills, will he pee on linus' kids?
[04:10]	DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2HneqfZGsM
[04:10]	TR Bot	https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=z2HneqfZGsM
[04:10]	TR Bot	timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=z2HneqfZGsM )
[04:14]	reptilian_thrills	reptilian_thrills, will he pee on linus' kids? <- hopefully not
[04:15]	reptilian_thrills	since linus just sits at home in his bathrobe now, hopefully if r kelly even gets near his kids, he can set his guard penguins loose to bite him
[04:15]	reptilian_thrills	of course theyll just nibble his finger, so thats why esr gave them assault weapons
[04:15]	reptilian_thrills	tv ontario ripped of kraftwerk once
[04:16]	reptilian_thrills	actually 12 times, once per episode
[04:16]	reptilian_thrills	it was the best show they ever made-- i suppose its possible they got permission, but its not in the credits
[04:17]	starstreak	i might not have 15 monitors like Roy but heres my desk: https://i.imgur.com/N3aO1bd.jpg
[04:18]	reptilian_thrills	i might not have 15 monitors like Roy <- there are more now
[04:18]	reptilian_thrills	he was talking about how he liked televisions with picture-in-picture
[04:19]	reptilian_thrills	so he installed little touchscreens in the corner of each monitor, bringing the total up to 30
[04:19]	reptilian_thrills	theyre connected wirelessly
[04:19]	reptilian_thrills	and they all run tmux
[04:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[04:20]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, November 15, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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[04:20]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:20]	reptilian_thrills	but i know the next step ofc
[04:20]	reptilian_thrills	the big screens have p-i-p but the little ones done
[04:20]	reptilian_thrills	dont
[04:21]	TR News	 (NEW): Mastodon Comes To The IBM PC http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Mastodon_Comes_To_The_IBM_PC.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Mastodon_Comes_To_The_IBM_PC.gmi 
[04:21]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Mastodon Comes To The IBM PC
[04:21]	reptilian_thrills	so hes going to take apart 15 tamagotchis and make p-i-p-i-p
[04:21]	reptilian_thrills	and that makes 45
[04:22]	reptilian_thrills	tamagotchi screens dont have amazing resolution
[04:22]	reptilian_thrills	but if you put 4 of them together you can show some of the jpegs from his camera, with halftoning
[04:23]	reptilian_thrills	/me makes a jumbotron out of tamagotchi screens
[04:23]	starstreak	isnt roy a doctor?
[04:23]	reptilian_thrills	franks 2000 inch tamagotchi
[04:23]	starstreak	im not a doctor im a popstar
[04:24]	starstreak	my laptop is a 4th gen i5 dual core with hyperthreading, 16gb ram, 256gb ssd
[04:24]	reptilian_thrills	/me puts all of roys screens together and stitches them with xrandr
[04:24]	reptilian_thrills	"now its just one screen!"
[04:24]	TR News	Russell up a win gemini://freeshell.de/f1/2022-11-16_Russell_up_a_win.gmi
[04:25]	starstreak	it kicks ass
[04:25]	reptilian_thrills	tomorrow: there are 260 screens
[04:25]	starstreak	lol
[04:25]	starstreak	more and more screens, and for cameras, less and less pixels
[04:26]	starstreak	Roy doesn't even own a digital camera
[04:26]	starstreak	he has a polaroid and a low dpi scanner
[04:26]	starstreak	he got the scanner at goodwill
[04:26]	reptilian_thrills	neo on every tamagotchi
[04:27]	starstreak	the scanner is 100dpi
[04:27]	reptilian_thrills	it doesnt even connect to the parallel port
[04:27]	reptilian_thrills	it connects to an rs232
[04:28]	reptilian_thrills	theres an adapter for a vicmodem
[04:28]	starstreak	on one of his 20 computers
[04:29]	reptilian_thrills	8 bit is the future though
[04:29]	starstreak	hes got a beowulf cluster of core2duos, a 486 running a 100dpi scanner, and 8 acer chrome books with debian linux
[04:29]	reptilian_thrills	dr sixel has an 8-bit mpl3 player
[04:29]	reptilian_thrills	it mostly plays the german national anthem
[04:30]	TR News	SCO vs ICBM update: "discovered that the length of the list of attorneys in this case exceeds the length of the order itself. Sadly, that is a telltale sign of decay of our society. Form over substance. The decline and fall of the Roman Empire comes to mind." https://grokthelaw.freeforums.net/thread/390/xinuos-deja-all-over-again
[04:30]	TR Bot	 Xinuos - It's deja vu all over again | GroktheLaw
[04:30]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[04:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[04:31]	TR News	Mozilla pretends to stand for privacy while spying on Firefox users https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/11/15/mozilla-comments-on-ftcs-commercial-surveillance-and-data-security-advance-notice-of-proposed-rulemaking/
[04:31]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Comments on FTCs Commercial Surveillance and Data Security Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking - Open Policy & Advocacy
[04:31]	reptilian_thrills	he used to have an lp-rom drive
[04:32]	reptilian_thrills	you put a vinyl record on it, lower the stylus and it reads files from that
[04:32]	TR News	The Trolling of Twitter Continues - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PAcCIkATg7c | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/PAcCIkATg7c
[04:32]	TR Bot	 The Trolling of Twitter Continues - Invidious
[04:33]	reptilian_thrills	the records are cheap but the writer costs like 50,000 pounds
[04:34]	TR News	Twitter used to be used to cancel people. Now it's used by people to cancel Twitter.
[04:38]	TR News	An Oscilloscope with ARM+FPGA+ADC scheme CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/11/16/fnirsi-1013d-teardown-and-mini-review-a-portable-oscilloscope-based-on-allwinner-cpu-anlogic-fgpa/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/11/16/fnirsi-1013d-teardown-and-mini-review-a-portable-oscilloscope-based-on-allwinner-cpu-anlogic-fgpa/
[04:38]	TR Bot	 An Oscilloscope with ARM+FPGA+ADC scheme CNX Software
[04:39]	TR News	How to Setup Encrypted Chat on Librem Devices - Purism https://puri.sm/posts/how-to-setup-encrypted-chat-on-librem-devices/ Source: Purism | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//puri.sm/posts/how-to-setup-encrypted-chat-on-librem-devices/
[04:39]	TR Bot	 How to Setup Encrypted Chat on Librem Devices Purism
[04:39]	TR News	 (NEW): How Linux Changed My Life (My Linux Journey) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/How_Linux_Changed_My_Life_My_Linux_Journey.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/How_Linux_Changed_My_Life_My_Linux_Journey.gmi 
[04:39]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines How Linux Changed My Life (My Linux Journey)
[04:40]	TR News	"He has been attacked to deflect public attention from what WikiLeaks has revealed, from what the state is doing to him and to hide the impact on freedom in the media and standards in the courtroom." https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/14/a-father-fights-for-his-son-whats-left-of-democracy/
[04:40]	TR Bot	Father Fights for His Son & What's Left of Democracy - scheerpost.com
[04:41]	TR News	I think they keep him in Belmarsh because they can get away with it. Its the most effective way of silencing him. https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/12/uk-executive-is-wining-and-dining-with-people-plotting-the-assassination-of-my-husband/
[04:41]	TR Bot	Executive Is Wining and Dining With People Plotting the Assassination of My Husband' - scheerpost.com
[04:42]	TR News	"Zuletzt hatte ein US-amerikanisches Gericht die jahrelange Massenberwachung durch den Geheimdienst NSA fr illegal befunden, ein Spter Sieg fr Snowden titelten wird damals." https://netzpolitik.org/2022/interview-mit-wolfgang-kaleck-auslieferung-snowdens-waere-nicht-rechtmaessig/
[04:42]	TR Bot	 Interview mit Wolfgang Kaleck: Auslieferung Snowdens wre nicht rechtmig
[04:43]	TR News	EuroBSDCon 2022 Trip Report: Muhammad Moinur Rahman | FreeBSD Foundation https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/eurobsdcon-2022-trip-report-muhammad-moinur-rahman/ Source: FreeBSD | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//freebsdfoundation.org/blog/eurobsdcon-2022-trip-report-muhammad-moinur-rahman/
[04:44]	TR Bot	 EuroBSDCon 2022 Trip Report: Muhammad Moinur Rahman | FreeBSD Foundation
[04:44]	starstreak	reptilian_thrills, https://i.imgur.com/Q5USTPs.jpg
[04:44]	starstreak	thats my 512mb iriver
[04:46]	TR News	Director got death threats over film poster featuring Hindu goddess. Now she's getting a protest screening | CBC News https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/kaali-film-leena-manimekalai-screening-1.6638601?cmp=rss Source: CBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/kaali-film-leena-manimekalai-screening-1.6638601?cmp=rss
[04:46]	TR Bot	 Director got death threats over film poster featuring Hindu goddess. Now she's getting a protest screening | CBC News
[04:47]	TR News	"Elon Musk has only been in charge of Twitter since late October. But already, hes turned the company and its platform upside down." Going down, fast. https://www.vox.com/recode/23440075/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-check-mark-verification
[04:47]	TR Bot	Elon Musk is changing Twitter, from mass layoffs to check marks - Vox
[04:48]	TR News	"He recently co-authored an op-ed in the Washington Post that called for the app to be banned, and hes planning to introduce a bill that would do just that." https://www.vox.com/recode/23453786/tiktok-bytedance-cfius-data-trump-ban
[04:48]	TR Bot	TikTok ban might have been right after all - Vox
[04:51]	reptilian_thrills	thats a lot of hardware for less than 1gb of music
[04:52]	schestowitz[TR]	my first mp3 player was 64 MB, IIRC
[04:52]	reptilian_thrills	/me has an old usb mp3 player, but just uses old flipphone because it recharges and supports microsd
[04:52]	DaemonFC	Mine was like 32 MB. It was very slow. You had to sync it over the parallel port.
[04:53]	reptilian_thrills	the first mp3 player i saw was about 64mb
[04:53]	reptilian_thrills	it looked like a pocket battery tester
[04:53]	reptilian_thrills	im not sure the ipod existed yet
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[04:54]	reptilian_thrills	/me wonders how many low-quality mp3s would fit on an lp-rom
[04:54]	reptilian_thrills	someones done the necessary math to figure this out
[04:55]	reptilian_thrills	imagine an lp with 3 full albums on each side :)
[04:56]	reptilian_thrills	it would be the audiophile equivalent of a rainbow hammer and sickle swastika though
[04:56]	reptilian_thrills	 great way get lynched with monster cables
[04:56]	reptilian_thrills	to
[04:58]	starstreak	lol
[04:58]	reptilian_thrills	"why dont you guys just use rope?"
[04:58]	starstreak	all my music is flac or alac files
[04:58]	reptilian_thrills	"these have better sound quality"
[04:58]	reptilian_thrills	"of course"
[04:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 80.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[04:59]	reptilian_thrills	it would be the audiophile equivalent of a rainbow hammer and sickle swastika though <- then all you need is to hook up a pair of beats headphones and youre fucked
[04:59]	starstreak	time to make some backups :D
● Nov 16
[05:00]	TR News	The code of this page is truly horrendous https://www.networkworld.com/category/linux/feed
[05:00]	TR Bot	 Linux news, trend analysis and opinion | Network World
[05:03]	TR News	How to use errexit | Network World https://www.networkworld.com/video/115059/how-to-use-errexit Source: Network World | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.networkworld.com/video/115059/how-to-use-errexit
[05:03]	TR Bot	 How to use errexit | Network World
[05:05]	TR News	CLOWN computing is just a REBRANDING or MARKETING exercise. https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/feature/The-history-of-cloud-computing-explained
[05:05]	TR Bot	 The history of cloud computing explained
[05:07]	TR News	IDG has named a WHOLE CATEGORY (top-level section) CLOWN COMPUTING (like buzzwords are a thing) https://www.infoworld.com/uk/category/cloud-computing/
[05:07]	TR Bot	Computing information, news, and how-to advice | InfoWorld
[05:08]	TR News	IDG has hardly any active writers left. The sites' underlying technology seems like a massive pile of crap they can no longer maintain.
[05:09]	starstreak	reptilian_thrills, im a goddess with a camera
[05:10]	reptilian_thrills	ive seen your best work
[05:11]	starstreak	:3
[05:12]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/15/amazon-starts-cutting-jobs-in-alexa-unit-and-cloud-gaming-division.html
[05:12]	TR Bot	 Amazon starts cutting jobs in Alexa unit and cloud gaming division
[05:12]	DaemonFC	"Amazon is aiming to eliminate about 10,000 jobs, mostly in retail, devices and human resources, The New York Times reported Monday. The number remains fluid because the cuts are being implemented by individual teams, according to the Times."
[05:12]	TR News	More sites ought to advertise their RSS feed, NOT HIDE these. In fact, all those foolish sites that said "follow us in Twitter" are suffering immensely. howtogeek used an ancient and long-unpatched version of WordPress. Heck, it even advertises this fact. No geeks maintaining that site.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	"In recent weeks, Amazon also began laying off some contracted employees who worked in recruiting roles for its advertising, internal operations, and Fire TV divisions, according to people with knowledge of the cuts."
[05:13]	schestowitz[TR]	amazon loses BILLIONS in some divisions
[05:13]	schestowitz[TR]	or product lines
[05:13]	schestowitz[TR]	then bubble is bursting
[05:13]	schestowitz[TR]	the party is over
[05:13]	reptilian_thrills	HAAHAHA
[05:13]	schestowitz[TR]	make money or perish
[05:13]	reptilian_thrills	just the other day!
[05:14]	schestowitz[TR]	reptilian_thrills is dying ;-)
[05:14]	reptilian_thrills	just the other day you tried to refute the x is dying meme
[05:14]	reptilian_thrills	by mentioning amazon
[05:14]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, many things will go away
[05:14]	reptilian_thrills	saying that you dont talk about them dying because theyre going strong
[05:14]	schestowitz[TR]	all that "self-driving", listening devices, social control media...
[05:14]	reptilian_thrills	yes the sun will explode
[05:14]	reptilian_thrills	earth is dying
[05:14]	schestowitz[TR]	many very harmful "tech" 
[05:14]	reptilian_thrills	but the point is
[05:14]	schestowitz[TR]	earth is dying due to humans, noit the sun
[05:15]	reptilian_thrills	you tried to refute x is dying with amazon as a counter example
[05:15]	schestowitz[TR]	it'll die like a million times faster due to humans
[05:15]	reptilian_thrills	exceptions that prove the rule are weak arguments to begin with
[05:15]	reptilian_thrills	but now you throw that away and say amazon is dying too
[05:15]	reptilian_thrills	youre such a cow
[05:15]	reptilian_thrills	roys bullshit is dying (hardly, heres to another 15 years)
[05:16]	TR News	IGEL is dying https://www.crn.com/news/computing/-dream-come-true-igel-exits-hardware-business
[05:16]	TR Bot	Come True: IGEL Exits Hardware Business | CRN
[05:18]	reptilian_thrills	/me remembers when it was mjg
[05:18]	reptilian_thrills	you said he was saying things that indicated he was suicidal
[05:18]	reptilian_thrills	you realise this is pathological though
[05:18]	reptilian_thrills	i mean apart from it being bias, its a bit psychotic
[05:19]	TR News	Today in 'IT Jungle' ALL the stories are SPONSORED ICBM SPAM https://www.itjungle.com/2022/11/16/four-hundred-monitor-november-16/ https://www.itjungle.com/2022/11/16/security-is-top-of-mind-at-vai/ https://www.itjungle.com/2022/11/16/ibm-debuts-grs-a-new-data-replication-service-in-the-cloud/ https://www.itjungle.com/2022/11/16/7-reasons-to-be-thankful-for-ibm-i/ http://techrights.org/2022/10/24/ibm-it-jungle/
[05:19]	TR Bot	 Four Hundred Monitor, November 16 - IT Jungle
[05:19]	TR Bot	 Security Is Top of Mind at VAI - IT Jungle
[05:19]	TR Bot	 IBM Debuts GRS, A New Data Replication Service in the Cloud - IT Jungle
[05:19]	TR Bot	 7 Reasons To Be Thankful For IBM i - IT Jungle
[05:19]	TR Bot	 IT Jungle Still Failing to Properly Disclose That IBM Pays It to Promote IBM in About 90% of Articles (PR Vehicle in Media Clothing) | Techrights
[05:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[05:20]	schestowitz[TR]	you put words in my mouth
[05:20]	schestowitz[TR]	several things you attribute to me or say that I said
[05:20]	schestowitz[TR]	but never said at all
[05:20]	reptilian_thrills	no, i recognise patterns lasting a long time
[05:20]	reptilian_thrills	i dont attribute them, i intepret them
[05:20]	schestowitz[TR]	whatever
[05:20]	reptilian_thrills	but never said at all <- well, thats pure fiction, a lie
[05:21]	reptilian_thrills	whatever <- good one
[05:21]	reptilian_thrills	how about every post about your mother is negative and about how shes either sick or an idiot or sick because shes an idiot
[05:21]	reptilian_thrills	or was sick because shes an idiot
[05:21]	reptilian_thrills	did i make that up or is that basically what you said
[05:21]	schestowitz[TR]	https://twitter.com/Proselytizer18/status/1592109984074334208
[05:21]	TR Bot	@MarcosR_Silva80 @rafaelrcenteio https://t.co/ge3r4b80kr
[05:21]	reptilian_thrills	its clear you dont like your parents
[05:22]	reptilian_thrills	i dont blame you for that
[05:22]	reptilian_thrills	lots of people have shitty parents... if anything youd probably be a lot more reasonable yourself if youd had good ones
[05:22]	reptilian_thrills	so far from blaming you for disliking them, i blame them
[05:22]	reptilian_thrills	thats where the blame lies
[05:23]	reptilian_thrills	whats interesting though, is that everything follows from there-- anything you dont like gets the same treatment, regardless of context
[05:24]	reptilian_thrills	i think you miss the peak of the pandemic
[05:24]	reptilian_thrills	hoping it would rid you of everyone you dont like
[05:24]	TR News	Trending in Twitter right now (in UK at least): "World War 3". This site is no more benign than TikTok, provoking everybody. http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/
[05:24]	TR Bot	 Twitter Profits From Conflict | Techrights
[05:24]	reptilian_thrills	maybe bezos!
[05:24]	schestowitz[TR]	<reptilian_thrills> its clear you dont like your parents
[05:25]	schestowitz[TR]	false
[05:25]	schestowitz[TR]	once again, you interject your own views
[05:25]	reptilian_thrills	okay well, i get that you want people to think you like them
[05:25]	reptilian_thrills	society tends to be biased about this
[05:25]	schestowitz[TR]	I said something about them not understanding what I do
[05:25]	schestowitz[TR]	you twisted that
[05:25]	reptilian_thrills	no, thats just it
[05:25]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, biab
[05:25]	reptilian_thrills	i dont go with snippets
[05:26]	reptilian_thrills	i go with long trends 
[05:26]	reptilian_thrills	that show a pattern
[05:26]	reptilian_thrills	sure, have fun
[05:28]	TR News	Foreign tax crooks nab hospitals, nursing homes, electricity - now aim to gut Origin Energy too - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/foreign-tax-crooks-nab-hospitals-nursing-homes-electricity-now-aim-to-gut-origin-energy-too/
[05:28]	TR Bot	 Foreign tax crooks nab hospitals, nursing homes, electricity - now aim to gut Origin Energy too - Michael West
[05:28]	TR News	Billionaire babies: how James Packer and Lachlan Murdoch kept their eyes on the prize - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/how-james-packer-and-lachlan-murdoch-kept-their-eyes-on-the-prize/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/how-james-packer-and-lachlan-murdoch-kept-their-eyes-on-the-prize/
[05:28]	TR Bot	 Billionaire babies: how James Packer and Lachlan Murdoch kept their eyes on the prize - Michael West
[05:29]	TR News	Come on Mr Attorney-General, transparency is more than a cry for opposition benches - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/come-on-mr-attorney-general-transparency-is-more-than-a-cry-for-opposition-benches/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/come-on-mr-attorney-general-transparency-is-more-than-a-cry-for-opposition-benches/
[05:29]	TR Bot	 Come on Mr Attorney-General, transparency is more than a cry for opposition benches - Michael West
[05:30]	TR News	Bye, Twitter https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/11/better-sharing-of-wordpress-posts-to-mastodon/
[05:30]	TR Bot	 Better sharing of WordPress posts to Mastodon Terence Edens Blog
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[05:31]	TR News	"I flounced off WhatsApp at the start of the pandemic due to Meta's shitty policies. Many of my friends made the move to Signal and some stuck with Telegram." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/11/whatsapp-web-for-android-a-reasonable-compromise/
[05:31]	TR Bot	 WhatsApp Web for Android a reasonable compromise? Terence Edens Blog
[05:33]	TR News	Hacker [sic] Noise is a corporate voice and a nuisance https://chrishannah.me/reaching-the-hacker-news-front-page/
[05:33]	TR Bot	 Reaching the Hacker News Front Page
[05:35]	TR News	Twitter lasted 16 years https://xeiaso.net/blog/birdsong-persists
[05:35]	TR Bot	 The birdsong persists - Xe
[05:42]	reptilian_thrills	/me notes that there was nothing to say about how good his parents are, other than "not true"
[05:43]	reptilian_thrills	proof? no. interesting? yes
[05:43]	reptilian_thrills	two times ive said this, two times nothing but simple denial
[05:44]	TR News	"The FreeBSD Foundation was generous enough to sponsor my trip to EuroBSDCon, and I am extremely appreciative for the ability to attend this event in-person." https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/eurobsdcon-2022-trip-report-muhammad-moinur-rahman/
[05:44]	TR Bot	 EuroBSDCon 2022 Trip Report: Muhammad Moinur Rahman | FreeBSD Foundation
[05:44]	reptilian_thrills	i dont pretend thats proof. theres no such thing as proof with some people
[05:44]	reptilian_thrills	just years of pointless, obvious denial
[05:44]	reptilian_thrills	and breakfast
[05:45]	reptilian_thrills	we wrote some excuses
[05:45]	reptilian_thrills	x is dying
[05:46]	reptilian_thrills	response: i never said that about amazon
[05:46]	reptilian_thrills	two days later: amazon is dying
[05:46]	reptilian_thrills	response: i never said that about amazo | two days later: amazon is dying <- even before x is dying pattern noted, this pattern of denial that only lasts a comically short time, was noted
[05:47]	starstreak	"$variable is dying" -Roy
[05:47]	reptilian_thrills	!amazon
[05:47]	TR News	Record number of active Gemini capsules this morning
[05:47]	reptilian_thrills	crystal suggests stallman support website
[05:47]	reptilian_thrills	response: we are trying to move past that (i didnt make this one up either)
[05:48]	starstreak	I have the first conspiracy theory gemini capsule
[05:48]	reptilian_thrills	weeks later: tr starts mirroring articles from stallmansupport
[05:48]	reptilian_thrills	 I have the first conspiracy theory gemini capsule <- possible! i doubt this
[05:48]	reptilian_thrills	weeks later: tr starts mirroring articles from stallmansupport <- its good to change your mind when changing it is an improvement
[05:49]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[05:49]	reptilian_thrills	its also good to not do this in a way that denies credit where credit is due
[05:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[05:49]	reptilian_thrills	like if you spend a decade bullshitting about systemd
[05:49]	reptilian_thrills	and then one day (when its much too late) you decide to go all in because it wont do anything
[05:50]	reptilian_thrills	maybe go back to the people you lied to and say "you were right"
[05:50]	reptilian_thrills	but some people will never do that, because $known_reason
[05:50]	reptilian_thrills	"sorry i was a cunt"
[05:50]	reptilian_thrills	they wont always forgive you, but people frequently appreciate when someone starts growing integrity
[05:51]	reptilian_thrills	not cancel culture people ofc
[05:51]	starstreak	systemd is awesome
[05:51]	reptilian_thrills	all admissions of guilt are further evidence to be used against you
[05:51]	reptilian_thrills	 <starstreak> systemd is awesome <- its almost cute when you do it
[05:51]	starstreak	its like having the master control program on my pc
[05:51]	reptilian_thrills	its like having the master control program on my pc <- see thats cute, because thats exactly whats wrong with it
[05:52]	starstreak	i wonder when they'll add firewalld
[05:52]	starstreak	systemd-firewalld
[05:52]	reptilian_thrills	the mcp was a monster
[05:52]	starstreak	the mcp was a monster to the programs
[05:52]	starstreak	it was quite helpful to the CEO guy
[05:52]	reptilian_thrills	the ceo guy was a monster
[05:52]	TR News	 (NEW): Dream Come True: IGEL Exits Hardware Business http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/_Dream_Come_True_IGEL_Exits_Hardware_Business.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/_Dream_Come_True_IGEL_Exits_Hardware_Business.gmi 
[05:52]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Dream Come True: IGEL Exits Hardware Business
[05:52]	starstreak	meh
[05:52]	reptilian_thrills	and he stole flynns work
[05:53]	starstreak	imagine a world where a good person has the MCP
[05:53]	reptilian_thrills	<starstreak> meh <- oh cmon, a hero couldnt have that guys hair
[05:53]	reptilian_thrills	it was like hitler meets trump meets bad toupee
[05:53]	reptilian_thrills	i realise thats a bit redundant
[05:53]	reptilian_thrills	imagine a world where a good person has the MCP <- someones never heard that power corrupts
[05:53]	reptilian_thrills	i dont think youre a stalin fan
[05:54]	reptilian_thrills	you might pretend for a laugh
[05:54]	reptilian_thrills	but this is guesswork
[05:54]	reptilian_thrills	maybe its bias, im just reading what i want to :)
[05:54]	reptilian_thrills	its possible
[05:55]	reptilian_thrills	"linucks"-- mcp
[05:55]	starstreak	systemd-kernel
[05:55]	reptilian_thrills	in linux legacy, dillinger is played by gkh
[05:55]	starstreak	gkh is cool tho
[05:55]	reptilian_thrills	systemd-kernel <- that joke goes back to 2015 but its still funny imo
[05:56]	reptilian_thrills	imagine a good person with the linux kernel
[05:56]	starstreak	im even using systemd-home
[05:56]	reptilian_thrills	too bad its unforkable 
[05:56]	reptilian_thrills	im even using systemd-home
[05:56]	reptilian_thrills	 im even using systemd-home <- i feel bad for you
[05:56]	starstreak	:P
[05:57]	reptilian_thrills	systemd-suppositoryd
[05:57]	reptilian_thrills	instead of using rust, they should add basic to the linux kernel
[05:58]	reptilian_thrills	it was the first language torvalds learned
[05:58]	reptilian_thrills	10 FORK PROCESS : RETURN 0
[05:59]	reptilian_thrills	/me will use linux again if someone ports it to COBOL
[05:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 80.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[05:59]	reptilian_thrills	COBOL linux-- this needs to be a thing
● Nov 16
[06:00]	reptilian_thrills	FORK-PROCESS-AND-RETURN-EXIT-CODE-TO-PARENT-ACCOUNT
[06:00]	reptilian_thrills	there are no processes in cobol linux-- all processes are "accounts"
[06:00]	starstreak	i would try openbsd if it didnt set my laptop on fire
[06:00]	reptilian_thrills	active processes are "accounts payable" and zombie processes are "defunct"
[06:00]	starstreak	it also needs more programs
[06:00]	reptilian_thrills	thats fair
[06:01]	reptilian_thrills	it needs a master control program
[06:01]	reptilian_thrills	something with a really impressive, enterprise level attack surface
[06:01]	starstreak	i dont want to run element/matrix via a browser
[06:02]	reptilian_thrills	after they rewrite linux in COBOL, then gnu needs to be ported to APL
[06:03]	reptilian_thrills	stallman rewrote row row row your boat about apl
[06:03]	reptilian_thrills	but weird al didnt read his letter
[06:03]	reptilian_thrills	(he never reads letters with parody suggestions)
[06:04]	reptilian_thrills	it might have been 99 bottles of beer, they sound similar
[06:04]	reptilian_thrills	99 bottles of beer on the wall, gently down the stream
[06:04]	reptilian_thrills	take one down and pass it around, life is but a dream
[06:04]	TR News	"Lets say were using a combination of a tag and an attribute selector for styling e-mail input fields." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/100daysof-day37/ | Source: Manuel Matuzovic
[06:04]	TR Bot	 Day 37: cascade layers - Manuel Matuzovi
[06:05]	reptilian_thrills	join us now and share the software, gently down the stream
[06:05]	reptilian_thrills	we can kick out those dirty licenses, until github destroys our dream
[06:06]	TR News	Some time soon we'll know more and more of the latest Mumble options, clients, etc. Mumble has become quite big! Doing a review of it all, clients included, isn't easy.
[06:07]	reptilian_thrills	run, run, mcp, on your home machine
[06:07]	reptilian_thrills	at least it wont self-immolate, like openbsd
[06:07]	TR News	In our experience so far, mumble guests who use iphone have less echo/feedback loop than mumla on android. It's hard to judge the reasons and without actually having a "Smart" phone it's hard to judge for oneself.
[06:07]	starstreak	its a shame that openbsd isn't compatible with cpu fans
[06:08]	reptilian_thrills	cpu fans waste the battery
[06:08]	reptilian_thrills	openbsd is efficient
[06:08]	reptilian_thrills	apple doesnt even make cpu fans
[06:08]	TR News	But perhaps the saddest thing is, even people with laptops don't wish to bother installing proper software like mumble. Instead, they use some [cr]apps on a "smart" 'phone'...
[06:09]	reptilian_thrills	you need more thermal paste between your cpu and the aluminum casing
[06:10]	schestowitz[TR]	raspi does not need a fan eother
[06:10]	schestowitz[TR]	even when working at full capacity, ime
[06:10]	reptilian_thrills	openbsd is incompatible with raspi fans too
[06:10]	reptilian_thrills	it says "fan not found"
[06:11]	TR News	"One of the things that many system administrators don't like to think about is a total loss scenario" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/GroundUpRecoveryPlanThinking | Source: uni Toronto
[06:11]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/GroundUpRecoveryPlanThinking
[06:11]	reptilian_thrills	even when working at full capacity <- you can add a heatsink
[06:11]	TR News	"I'm trying to build something similar for the Mastodon social network." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/11/building-an-on-this-day-service-for-mastodon/ | Source: Terence Eden
[06:11]	TR Bot	 How to search Mastodon by date & time Terence Edens Blog
[06:11]	schestowitz[TR]	apple has a lot of fan support
[06:11]	reptilian_thrills	elon musk removed all the cpu fans at twitter
[06:11]	schestowitz[TR]	the fans also pay apple like $3000 a year
[06:12]	reptilian_thrills	backstage passes for the apple show-and-tell things are etched on chrome leaflets with space lasers
[06:13]	TR News	"Ive been using the RC2014 as a a CP/M development machine, especially while developing a cross-platform Rogue-like game." https://www.kianryan.co.uk/2022-11-14-tiny-cpm/ |
[06:13]	TR Bot	 TinyCPM - CP/M on a Tiny 2040
[06:13]	reptilian_thrills	they have a hologram in the upper left corner, and the trim is made of mahogany
[06:14]	reptilian_thrills	people are surprised by the wooden trim, but its a throwback to the apple 1
[06:14]	reptilian_thrills	also its from a fight jony ive had with tim cook
[06:14]	TR News	"Designed with a minuscule footprint, this fully-functional CP/M computer build uses just two main components" https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/11/15/the-smallest-cp-m-microcomputer-ever-cpm-vintagecomputing-raspberrypi-hascksterio-raspberry_pi/ | Source: Adafruit
[06:14]	TR Bot	 The smallest CP/M microcomputer ever #CPM #VintageComputing #RaspberryPi @Hascksterio @Raspberry_Pi Adafruit Industries Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers!
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[06:14]	TR News	"This report covers hrev56505 to hrev56564." https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/waddlesplash/2022-11-14_haiku_activity_contract_report_october_2022/ | Source: HaikuOS
[06:14]	TR Bot	 Haiku Activity & Contract Report, October 2022 | Haiku Project
[06:15]	reptilian_thrills	its a throwback to the apple 1 <- they should make a retro apple 1 as a collectors item, only with mahogany
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[06:15]	TR News	"Before your eyes glaze over wondering why Im spending so much time on a networking chip, bear with me." https://staceyoniot.com/the-industrial-iot-is-getting-the-it-treatment/ | Source: Stacey on IoT
[06:15]	TR Bot	 The industrial IoT is getting the IT treatment - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
[06:16]	reptilian_thrills	as a joke they should also make an apple 1 thats covered in chrome
[06:16]	reptilian_thrills	they should make a retro apple 1 as a collectors item <- after a year you throw it away and get a newer collectors item, of course
[06:16]	reptilian_thrills	"this is a classic"
[06:16]	reptilian_thrills	"yes but its obsolete"
[06:16]	TR News	"Since Musk took over Twitter, Rochko has been working long hours to keep his own server, Mastodon.Social" https://www.wired.com/story/the-man-behind-mastodon-eugen-rochko-built-it-for-this-moment/ | Source: Wired
[06:16]	TR Bot	Man Behind Mastodon, Eugen Rochko, Built It for This Moment | WIRED
[06:17]	reptilian_thrills	theres an apple museum but every year they bulldoze and put up a new one
[06:17]	TR News	"The short version of this is that I believe that Mastodon more specifically federation and decentralization won't work out." https://lucumr.pocoo.org/2022/11/14/scaling-mastodon/ | Source: Armin Ronacher
[06:17]	TR Bot	 Scaling Mastodon is Impossible | Armin Ronacher's Thoughts and Writings
[06:17]	TR News	"Let's address the mammoth in the room: the fediverse, the network of mastodon servers, is very inefficient." https://berk.es/2022/11/08/fediverse-inefficiencies/ | Source: Br Kessels
[06:17]	TR Bot	 The Fediverse is Inefficient (but that's a good trade-off)
[06:17]	TR News	"Users don't want to host their own servers. Even the most technical ones. SaaS is the optimal solution." https://matt-rickard.com/mastodon | Source: Matt Rickard
[06:17]	TR Bot	 On the Mastodon Experiment
[06:18]	reptilian_thrills	"why did you drag your feet on his macbook?"
[06:18]	reptilian_thrills	"so he could get another one"
[06:18]	TR News	"Releasing Offpunk 1.7 today which fixes a handful of crashes and brings some nice features." https://ploum.be/2022-11-15-offpunk17-sourcehut.html |
[06:18]	TR Bot	 Offpunk 1.7: Offpunk and Sourcehut
[06:18]	reptilian_thrills	lsd is a hell of a drug-- steve jobs
[06:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[06:21]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2011/10/23/steve-jobs-exposed/
[06:21]	TR Bot	 Steve Jobs and His War on Linux, LSD Addiction, and Theft of Credit for UNIX, Java, Xerox Inventions | Techrights
[06:22]	TR News	"Firefox's copy and paste had a limitation or bug" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/FirefoxNonbreakingSpacesCopyIssue | Source: uni Toronto
[06:22]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/FirefoxNonbreakingSpacesCopyIssue
[06:22]	TR News	[Old] "How do I test X" https://berk.es/2022/09/19/test-x-by-controlling-x/ | Source: Br Kessels
[06:22]	TR Bot	 "How do I test X" is almost always answered with "by controlling X"
[06:22]	reptilian_thrills	except for the turtleneck
[06:23]	TR News	"Let's assume that you are working on a code base and notice that it has some minor issue." https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/11/if-you-dont-tolerate-it-in-new-code-you.html | Source: Jussi Pakkanen
[06:23]	TR Bot	 Nibble Stew: If you don't tolerate it in new code you should not tolerate it in old code either
[06:23]	reptilian_thrills	"she let me wear my chain and my turtleneck sweater"-- "i just had sex", lonely island (ft akon)
[06:24]	TR News	"Consumer products lend themselves more to feature creep, which is the enemy of PMF." https://matt-rickard.com/on-launching | Source: Matt Rickard
[06:24]	TR Bot	 On Launching
[06:24]	TR News	"Every frontend developer knows, or at least suspects, that backends are hard. But why would that be?" https://blog.chiselstrike.com/why-middleware-may-not-be-the-right-abstraction-for-your-data-policies-daf8a0c2172f?source=rss-4b282c154795------2 | Source: ChiselStrike
[06:25]	starstreak	reptilian_thrills, turtle neck and chain
[06:25]	TR News	"VMs start programs running in an interpreter where they observe which portions run frequently." https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/more_evidence_for_problems_in_vm_warmup.html | Source: Lawrence Tratt
[06:25]	TR Bot	communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). ( status 0 @ https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/more_evidence_for_problems_in_vm_warmup.html )
[06:25]	reptilian_thrills	apple had software out in the 80s called turtleneck graphics
[06:26]	reptilian_thrills	you could get a triangle to draw half of steve jobs outfit
[06:26]	reptilian_thrills	for some reason it refused to draw pants, which was weird
[06:27]	reptilian_thrills	/me forks tuxpaint to redneck paint
[06:27]	reptilian_thrills	its got stamps for trucks, beer, duct tape
[06:27]	reptilian_thrills	theres even a duct tape drawing tool where you can just use the mouse to cover things in duct tape
[06:28]	TR News	"well, you were probably just doing something silly beforehand" https://hmarr.com/blog/go-allocation-hunting/ |
[06:28]	TR Bot	 Making a Go program 42% faster with a one character change Harry Marr
[06:28]	TR News	"The R Consortium recently caught up with Fousseynou Bah of the Bamako Data Science Group " https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/11/promoting-the-use-of-r-in-mali/ | Source: Rlang http://techrights.org/2022/10/26/r-foundation-and-linux-foundation/
[06:28]	TR Bot	the Use of R in Mali | R-bloggers
[06:28]	TR Bot	 The R Foundation and R Consortium Arent the Same; One is a Front Group for Corporations Like Microsoft | Techrights
[06:29]	reptilian_thrills	theres a stamp with a rebel flag but ibm made us remove it because it made them uncomfortable
[06:29]	schestowitz[TR]	like a museum removing the machine with an IBM logo
[06:29]	reptilian_thrills	dr sixel is forking it to nazi paint so it only works on the framebuffer
[06:29]	schestowitz[TR]	to bring something back WITHOUT the logo
[06:30]	schestowitz[TR]	icbm wants nothing to do with the death camps anymore
[06:30]	schestowitz[TR]	unless there is money to be made still, e.g. ICE
[06:30]	schestowitz[TR]	DHS contracts
[06:30]	reptilian_thrills	like a museum removing the machine with an IBM logo <- i mean, the only museum i saw with an ibm was the holocaust museum, and  you can look at the picture to see if the dehomag logo is still on it
[06:30]	reptilian_thrills	its in the book
[06:30]	reptilian_thrills	but ive seen it in person
[06:31]	reptilian_thrills	a lot of my feelings about computers and privacy come from seeing that machine
[06:31]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ says that the employees who were at IBM during the holocaust are dead so what difference does it make.
[06:31]	reptilian_thrills	of course i already had those feelings, it just locked them down
[06:31]	TR News	"I was reading recently about some significant Python 3.11 performance improvements" http://blogs.perl.org/users/dimitrios_kechagias/2022/11/perl-performance-evolution-over-the-last-decade.html | Source: Perl
[06:31]	TR Bot	performance evolution over the last decade | Dimitrios Kechagias [blogs.perl.org]
[06:32]	reptilian_thrills	gnome plays chicken with all kinds of shit related to this
[06:32]	reptilian_thrills	kde allegedly has too
[06:32]	reptilian_thrills	mozilla is awful
[06:32]	TR News	"The age of Pythons packaging ecosystem also sets it apart: among general-purpose languages" https://blog.trailofbits.com/2022/11/15/python-wheels-abi-abi3audit/ | Source: Trail Of Bits
[06:32]	TR Bot	 ABI compatibility in Python: How hard could it be? | Trail of Bits Blog
[06:32]	TR News	"The problem? A conflict over who controls parallelism: your application" https://pythonspeed.com/articles/concurrency-control/ | Source: Python Speed
[06:32]	TR Bot	 Who controls parallelism? A disagreement that leads to slower code
[06:32]	DaemonFC	By that logic, the people in the US government who passed the Chinese Exclusion Act, Indian Removal Act, and Fugitive Slave Act are all dead, so who care?
[06:32]	DaemonFC	*cares
[06:32]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, ^
[06:32]	reptilian_thrills	as for ibm telling people not to be racist
[06:33]	reptilian_thrills	thats like closeted gay men running camps to convert gay people back to straights
[06:33]	TR News	"[...] but what people may not know is that the .io domain name has an annoying history." https://j3s.sh/thought/.io-domains-considered-harmful.html | Source: Jes Olson
[06:33]	TR Bot	 jes post
[06:33]	TR News	"Now that Twitter is on a downward spiral Im rewriting my favorite tweetstorms in a more permanent medium" https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/why-do-we-call-it-boilerplate-code/ | Source: Buttondown
[06:33]	TR Bot	 Why do we call it "boilerplate code?" Buttondown
[06:33]	reptilian_thrills	"with the help of jesus i found a wife"
[06:34]	TR News	"Since I was joking about this with two friends over text message about the poor decisions" https://www.harihareswara.net/posts/2022/next-twitter-announcements-a-bingo-card/ |
[06:34]	TR Bot	 Next Twitter Announcements - A Bingo Card | Cogito, Ergo Sumana
[06:35]	TR News	"The individual casinos themselves have many arcological features too, including careful climate control" https://www.wired.co.uk/article/paolo-soleri-arcologies | Source: Wired
[06:35]	TR Bot	 Five real-world arcologies under construction | WIRED UK
[06:35]	reptilian_thrills	i saw a machine in a museum that ran fedora, technically
[06:35]	reptilian_thrills	a museum computer should run a museum os
[06:35]	TR News	"Web3, at its heart, is all about using blockchains and [cryptocurrency] tokens as tools for organizing decision" https://www.axios.com/2022/11/15/web3-ftx-blast-radius-crypto-dreams | Source: Axios
[06:35]	TR Bot	 Web3 is in FTX's blast radius
[06:36]	reptilian_thrills	it was an olpc xo-1, i believe they were fedora-based
[06:36]	TR News	"The robotic X-37B touched down at NASA's Kennedy Space Center (KSC) in Florida today" https://www.space.com/space-force-x-37b-space-plane-otv-6-mission-ends | Source: Space
[06:36]	TR Bot	military space plane lands, ending record-breaking mission | Space
[06:37]	reptilian_thrills	but this was years before hugo boss started making red fedoras for ibm
[06:38]	TR News	"Abstract. Typical lattice-based cryptosystems are commonly believed to resist multi-target attacks." https://cr.yp.to/papers/lprrr-20221114.pdf |
[06:39]	TR News	"Though Ive been involved with SREcon EMEA many times before, this time was unique for two reasons" https://blog.relyabilit.ie/reflections-on-srecon-emea-2022/ | Source: Niall Murphy
[06:39]	TR Bot	 Reflections on SREcon EMEA 2022
[06:39]		*reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed)
[06:40]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: That was in reference to Roy's employer having worked for the MoD before Roy worked there. If IBM can still be criticised for their part in the holocaust (which I'm fine with), why can Roy's employers not be criticised for working with the military?
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[06:42]		*GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights
[06:42]	TR News	"The data can be downloaded from uk-air.defra.gov.uk/data/data_selector_service." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/11/using-functional-analysis-to-model-air-pollution-data-in-r/ | Source: Rlang
[06:42]	TR Bot	functional analysis to model air pollution data in R | R-bloggers
[06:43]	TR News	"hesitant." https://text.npr.org/1135882310 | Source: NPR
[06:43]	TR Bot	 Her miscarriage left her bleeding profusely. An Ohio ER sent her home to wait
[06:44]	TR News	"UPFs now account for almost 60 per cent of all the calories eaten in the UK." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/nutrition/diet/scary-chemicals-dont-want-see-food/ | Source: The Telegraph UK
[06:44]	TR Bot	 The scary chemicals you dont want to see in your food
[06:45]		-A_Dragon/Wallops-T-02:00 for launch of the Artemis spacecraft
[06:46]	TR News	"The University of Edinburgh was recently brought to a near standstill by a switchover to a new payments system, with PhD students going unpaid" https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/why-do-university-it-systems-drive-staff-round-bend | Source: Times Higher Education
[06:46]	TR Bot	 University IT drives academics round the bend | Times Higher Education (THE)
[06:46]	TR News	Windows TCO. "But Mr Wilkins said paying a $US9.7m ransom was never an option and would have supercharged the [ransomware] industry." https://michaelwest.com.au/medibank-sticks-by-hacker-ransom-call/ | Source: Michael West Media
[06:46]	TR Bot	 Medibank sticks by hacker ransom call - Michael West
[06:46]	TR News	Windows TCO. "Based on our current actions in response to the cybercrime event" https://michaelwest.com.au/cyber-attack-to-cost-medibank-up-to-35m/ | Source: Michael West Media
[06:47]	TR Bot	 Cyber attack to cost Medibank up to $35m - Michael West
[06:47]	TR News	"The technology giant tracked the location of users who opted out of location services on their devices, 40 US states said." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63635380 | Source: BBC
[06:47]	TR Bot	 Google to pay record $391m privacy settlement - BBC News
[06:48]	TR News	"The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission took Google to the Federal Court over the same issues in October 2019 and won its case." https://itwire.com/technology-regulation/google-pays-out-us$391-5m-to-settle-privacy-case-in-us.html | Source: IT Wire
[06:48]	TR Bot	- Google pays out US$391.5m to settle privacy case in US
[06:50]	TR News	"They include the possibility that the Chinese government could use to control data collection on millions of users or control the recommendation algorithm" https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3737251-fbi-head-china-has-stolen-more-us-data-than-every-other-nation-combined/ | Source: The Hill
[06:50]	TR Bot	 FBI head: China has stolen more US data than every other nation combined | The Hill
[06:52]	TR News	"Launched in 2013, Hour of Code is an initiative to introduce young people to computer science using fun one-hour tutorials." https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/hour-of-code-activities/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
[06:52]	TR Bot	 Hour of Code activities - Raspberry Pi
[06:53]	starstreak	linucks btw
[06:53]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[06:53]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[06:56]	TR News	"After a bit of a delay due to security issues with OpenSSL, Fedora Linux 37 is officially out" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/fedora-linux-37-is-out-now-with-official-raspberry-pi-4-support/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[06:56]	TR Bot	Linux 37 is out now with official Raspberry Pi 4 support | GamingOnLinux
[06:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 80.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Nov 16
[07:00]	TR News	"Easily one of the best open source games around, Mindustry from AnukenDev just had a MASSIVE new release out" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/mixing-factory-management-tower-defense-and-rts-mindustry-70-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[07:00]	TR Bot	factory management, Tower Defense and RTS - Mindustry 7.0 is out now | GamingOnLinux
[07:01]	TR News	"Entropy : Zero 2 is a very popular and well reviewed Half-Life 2 mod" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/popular-half-life-2-mod-entropy-zero-2-is-getting-full-linux-support-for-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[07:01]	TR Bot	Half-Life 2 mod Entropy : Zero 2 is getting full Linux support for Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
[07:03]	TR News	"Several top universities around the globe use Python to introduce students to programming." https://www.tecmint.com/install-python-in-linux/ | Source: TecMint
[07:03]	TR Bot	 How to Install Python in RHEL and Debian Systems
[07:03]	TR News	"Python is the fastest-growing major general-purpose programming language" https://www.tecmint.com/install-python-in-ubuntu/ | Source: TecMint
[07:03]	TR Bot	 How to Install Latest Python 3.11 in Ubuntu
[07:03]	TR News	"Looking for your next action RPG with turn-based combat? Inspired by the classic Point & Click Adventure Inherit the Earth" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/of-blades-a-tails-is-a-fresh-turn-based-action-rpg-now-in-early-access/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[07:03]	TR Bot	Blades & Tails is a fresh turn-based action-RPG now in Early Access | GamingOnLinux
[07:03]	TR News	"Here's a fun one for open source fans and game developers, as YoYo Games have open sourced their HTML5 runtime." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/yoyo-games-open-source-the-gamemaker-html5-runtime/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[07:03]	TR Bot	Games open source the GameMaker HTML5 runtime | GamingOnLinux
[07:04]	TR News	"It provides an easy-to-use user interface that simplifies the creation and monitoring of databases and database objects." https://www.tecmint.com/install-postgresql-with-pgadmin4-on-linux-mint/ | Source: TecMint
[07:04]	TR Bot	 How to Install PostgreSQL and pgAdmin4 on Linux Mint 21/20
[07:04]	TR News	"The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is a protocol used to synchronize computer system clocks automatically over a network." https://www.tecmint.com/synchronize-time-with-ntp-in-linux/ | Source: TecMint
[07:04]	TR Bot	 How to Install Chrony NTP to Synchronize Time in Linux
[07:04]	TR News	"Valve has rolled out a small stable Steam Deck Client update, mainly focused on fixing up the New Big Picture Mode." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/steam-deck-client-update-out-fixing-up-more-big-picture-mode-issues/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[07:04]	TR Bot	Deck Client update out fixing up more Big Picture Mode issues | GamingOnLinux
[07:04]	TR News	Steam Deck Verified https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/spider-man-miles-morales-gets-steam-deck-verified-ahead-of-release/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[07:04]	TR Bot	Miles Morales gets Steam Deck Verified ahead of release | GamingOnLinux
[07:07]	TR News	 (NEW): Games: Mindustry, Half-Life 2, Steam Deck, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Games_Mindustry_Half_Life_2_Steam_Deck_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Games_Mindustry_Half_Life_2_Steam_Deck_and_More.gmi 
[07:07]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: Mindustry, Half-Life 2, Steam Deck, and More
[07:07]	TR News	Canonical as reseller with buzzwords https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-announces-new-enterprise-grade-ubuntu-images-designed-for-intel-iot-platforms | Source: Ubuntu
[07:07]	TR Bot	announces new enterprise-grade Ubuntu images designed for Intel IoT platforms | Ubuntu
[07:09]	TR News	"Last week, SB Components released the SquaryPi and SquaryFi embedded platforms which are based on the RP2040 silicon" https://linuxgizmos.com/sb-components-introduces-squarypi-squaryfi-for-portable-embedded-apps/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[07:09]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/sb-components-introduces-squarypi-squaryfi-for-portable-embedded-apps/ )
[07:09]	TR News	"The WAFER-EHL from ICP is a 3.5 Single Board Computer built around the low-power 2.0 GHz Intel Celeron J6412." https://linuxgizmos.com/elkhart-lake-3-5-sbc-equipped-dual-2-5gbe-lan-and-pcie-x4-slot/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[07:09]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/elkhart-lake-3-5-sbc-equipped-dual-2-5gbe-lan-and-pcie-x4-slot/ )
[07:10]	TR News	"AnyDesk is a remote desktop application software that is available for all Linux users." https://vitux.com/how-to-install-anydesk-on-rocky-linux/ | Source: Vitux
[07:10]	TR Bot	to Install AnyDesk on Rocky Linux - VITUX
[07:13]	TR News	"He handed control to John J. Ray III, a veteran of corporate crises." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/technology/crypto-ftx-bankruptcy-creditors.html | Source: New York Times
[07:13]	TR Bot	 FTX Could Owe More Than 1 Million Creditors - The New York Times
[07:13]	TR News	"The World Economic Forum has deleted its FTX page" and Microsoft's Net Friedman shilled this scam https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/11/ftx/ | Source: Craig Murray
[07:13]	TR Bot	 FTX - Craig Murray
[07:13]	TR News	"The exchange's founder Sam Bankman-Fried secretly transferred $10 billion of customer funds from FTX to Bankman-Fried's trading company Alameda Research" https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/exclusive-least-1-billion-client-funds-missing-failed-crypto-firm-ftx-sources-2022-11-12/ | Source: Reuters
[07:13]	TR Bot	At least $1 billion of client funds missing at failed crypto firm FTX | Reuters
[07:14]	TR News	"Both Reuters and The Wall Street Journal found that Bankman-Fried, now the ex-CEO of FTX, transferred $10 billion of customer funds from his crypto exchange to the digital asset trading house, Alameda Research." https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/12/1-billion-to-2-billion-of-ftx-customer-funds-missing-report.html | Source: CNBC
[07:14]	TR Bot	 $1 billion to $2 billion of FTX customer funds missing: Report
[07:14]	TR News	"He used bespoke software that was designed so that even external auditors would not be notified of changes to FTX books" https://coinmarketcal.com/en/news/sbf-built-bespoke-backdoor-to-outwit-ftx-compliance-systems-reuters |
[07:14]	TR Bot	 SBF built bespoke backdoor to outwit FTX compliance systems: Reuters
[07:15]	TR News	"federal governments failure to find common ground on cryptocurrency regulation" https://thehill.com/policy/3735376-why-the-ftx-collapse-is-turning-up-the-heat-on-congress/ | Source: The Hill
[07:15]	TR Bot	 Why the FTX collapse is turning up the heat on Congress | The Hill
[07:15]	TR News	"There are now 8 billion people on Earth" https://text.npr.org/1136709784 | Source: NPR
[07:15]	TR Bot	 There are now 8 billion people on Earth, according to a new U.N. report
[07:15]	TR News	"If current trends continue, the country is projected to become the third most populous nation" https://news.sky.com/story/overpopulation-hitting-the-poorest-as-family-planning-remains-contentious-in-nigeria-12747427 | Source: Sky News
[07:15]	TR Bot	 Overpopulation hitting the poorest as family planning remains contentious in Nigeria | World News | Sky News
[07:15]	TR News	"It is also the result of higher fertility rates, particularly in the world's poorest countries" https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20221115-world-population-hits-8-billion-un-says | Source: France24
[07:15]	TR Bot	 World population to hit 8 billion, UN says
[07:18]	TR News	"control the recommendation algorithm, which could be used for influence operations ... or to control software on millions of devices, which gives the opportunity to potentially technically compromise personal devices." https://www.voanews.com/a/fbi-says-it-has-national-security-concerns-about-tiktok/6836340.html | Source: VOA News
[07:18]	TR Bot	 FBI Says It has National Security Concerns About TikTok
[07:18]	TR News	"You can fix Twitter's missing alt text using Hannah's Alt Text Archive Tool." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/11/twitters-archive-doesnt-have-alt-text-but-mastodons-does/ | Source: Terence Eden
[07:18]	TR Bot	 Twitters archive doesnt have alt text but Mastodons does! Terence Edens Blog
[07:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[07:25]		*NoseCandy puts a crack rock in his pipe and smokes it
[07:28]	TR News	"The confluence of events is revealing of social medias broader arc over the past 15 years." https://www.thenation.com/article/world/twitter-elon-musk-social-movements/ | Source: The Nation
[07:28]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk Doesnt Understand Twitters Real Value | The Nation
[07:29]	TR News	"Here are some of the most prominent technology layoffs the industry has experienced recently." https://www.computerworld.com/article/3679733/tech-layoffs-in-2022-a-timeline.html | Source: Computer World
[07:29]	TR Bot	layoffs in 2022: A timeline | Computerworld
[07:30]	TR News	"Earlier this week it was reported that the company is planning to cut 10,000 jobs" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63631877 | Source: BBC
[07:30]	TR Bot	 Amazon staff laid off as tech giants cut costs, according to LinkedIn posts - BBC News
[07:30]	TR News	"The Amazon layoffs will be focused on those in corporate roles" https://www.axios.com/2022/11/15/tech-layoffs-amazon-meta-twitter | Source: Axios
[07:30]	TR Bot	 Tech layoffs are soaring in November
[07:30]	TR News	"The only way I can wrap my head around Musks conduct is to psychoanalyze it thusly: He isnt serving as CEO so much as he is playing the part of a CEO." https://variety.com/vip/face-it-elon-twitters-goose-is-cooked-1235432001/ | Source: Variety
[07:30]	TR Bot	It, Elon: Twitter's Goose Is Cooked - Variety
[07:35]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.2.gmi 
[07:35]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[07:37]	TR News	Misinformation https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/technology/tiktok-ads-social-media.html | Source: New York Times
[07:37]	TR Bot	 TikTok Builds Itself Into an Ads Juggernaut - The New York Times
[07:37]	TR News	"In order to silence Pham, the government is trying to give the impression that her detention is related to state security issues and making 'anti-state propaganda,' when this is not true" https://www.voanews.com/a/vietnam-using-jail-to-silence-human-rights-journalist-lawyer-says/6834660.html | Source: VOA News
[07:37]	TR Bot	 Vietnam Using Jail to 'Silence' Human Rights Journalist, Lawyer Says
[07:37]	TR News	"Yury Lebedev and Yelizaveta Movchan were taken to a police station" https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-rferl-reporters-released/32131589.html | Source: RFERL
[07:37]	TR Bot	 Two RFE/RL Correspondents Released From Police Custody In Moscow
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[07:43]	TR News	"Amazon has built a fleet of robots to help workers get packages from its warehouses to your door" https://staceyoniot.com/amazon-is-building-robots-at-scale-in-massachusetts/ | Source: Stacey on IoT
[07:43]	TR Bot	 Amazon is building robots at scale in Massachusetts - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
[07:43]	TR News	"Activists have said the increasing restrictions on women are an attempt to stop them from gathering to organise opposition to the Taliban's rule." https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20221113-taliban-bans-afghan-women-from-gyms-public-baths | Source: France24
[07:43]	TR Bot	 Taliban bans Afghan women from gyms, public baths
[07:44]	TR News	"Authorities have denied claims by rights groups abroad that about 15,000 people have been detained in the ensuing unrest." https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20221113-iran-charges-more-than-750-over-riots-issues-first-death-sentence | Source: France24
[07:44]	TR Bot	 Iran charges more than 750 over 'riots', issues first death sentence
[07:46]	TR News	" while the DNS root servers are known to be distributed" https://www.netmeister.org/blog/nsauth-diversity.html | Source: Jan Schaumann
[07:46]	TR Bot	 Authoritative NS Record Diversity
[07:49]	DaemonFC	The United States is becoming an increasingly dangerous place for women.
[07:50]	schestowitz[TR]	what now?
[07:51]	DaemonFC	I was reading on NPR how a woman who had miscarried was denied medical care in Ohio which put her life at risk, even after they knew she'd miscarried.
[07:52]	DaemonFC	They were erring on the side of possibly letting her bleed out vs. helping her because nobody wants to go to jail and have the state prosecutor accuse them of abortion.
[07:54]	DaemonFC	This is what happens when religious extremists run the government.
[07:54]	DaemonFC	I don't think that the Supreme Court made Dobbs as a "religious edict", like Michael Moore said.
[07:55]	DaemonFC	I think they knew that in the poverty-stricken states that would lose access to it, more births mean the businesses down there have an easier time subjugating workers and "accidentally" hiring kids while the government looks the other way.
[07:56]	DaemonFC	As a policy, Dobbs is incoherent because it didn't ban abortion in the US, it just kicked it back to the states, and the states with the higher incomes are all keeping it broadly legal.
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[07:59]	DaemonFC	There's going to be a relaignment of voting power (worse than what's gone on already" where the southern states end up with more of it. They get more and more House seats and electoral votes from the northern and western states all the time and the best that Democrats seem to be able to do is torture the congressional districts in their states to minimize losses.
● Nov 16
[08:00]	DaemonFC	The conservatives try to bully and shame people into having kids.
[08:01]	DaemonFC	They bully by trying to take away contraception, abortion, and sex ed, and then shame like "Your life is pointless. You may as well just kill yourself if you're not having kids.".
[08:01]	starstreak	girrrrrrl
[08:01]	DaemonFC	I've literally heard, at least several of them say that over the years.
[08:01]	DaemonFC	Like, the only point of life is to reproduce.
[08:02]	TR News	In 2038 Every Legacy Linux - BSD System Breaks https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/in-2038-every-legacy-linux-bsd-system:e
[08:02]	TR Bot	 In 2038 Every Legacy Linux & BSD System Breaks
[08:02]	schestowitz[TR]	x https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20221107006099/en/CYBER.ORG-Range-Announced-Alongside-Governor-John-Bel-Edwards-of-Louisiana-and-Jen-Easterly-Director-of-Cybersecurity-and-Infrastructure-Security-Agency-CISA-to-Strengthen-the-Future-U.S.-Cybersecurity-Workforce
[08:02]	schestowitz[TR]	# fraud
[08:02]	TR Bot	 CYBER.ORG Range Announced Alongside Governor John Bel Edwards of Louisiana and Jen Easterly, Director of Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) to Strengthen the Future U.S. Cybersecurity Workforce | Business Wire
[08:03]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> Like, the only point of life is to reproduce.
[08:03]	schestowitz[TR]	for the sake of the "herd", not reproducing too much also important
[08:04]	starstreak	Roy will still be running kernel 3.x in 2038
[08:04]	schestowitz[TR]	is some species reproduces too much, the herd can starve
[08:04]	DaemonFC	Creating more people creates more misery, debt, and death in the end.
[08:04]	DaemonFC	It puts pressure on resources, jacks up inflation, and has more people competing for work.
[08:04]	DaemonFC	It's not a good thing.
[08:05]	TR News	assange https://www.the-sun.com/sport/6644242/actor-alex-williams-julian-assange-shane-warne-biopic/
[08:05]	TR Bot	 Hollywood star famous for playing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange makes transformation into sports icon for biopic | The US Sun
[08:05]	TR News	poitras https://www.screendaily.com/news/im-proud-of-being-described-as-a-threat-to-national-security-says-laura-poitras/5176451.article
[08:05]	TR Bot	 Im proud of being described as a threat to national security, says Laura Poitras | News | Screen
[08:06]	TR News	"In infosec today, if you think of Microsoft as anything other than yet another adversary then you've completely misunderstood the problem..." https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/11/13/1343217#1279790
[08:06]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Links Russia's Military to Cyberattacks in Poland and Ukraine - SoylentNews
[08:06]	TR News	"The Trolling of Twitter Continues" https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/the-trolling-of-twitter-continues:3 iophk: parody accounts are getting banned despite following the official rules
[08:06]	TR Bot	 The Trolling of Twitter Continues
[08:07]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], MARISOL's employer caught fire today.
[08:07]	TR News	"Elon Musk is a thin-skinned CEO." https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/elon-musk-is-a-thin-skinned-ceo.:4
[08:07]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk is a thin skinned CEO.
[08:07]	DaemonFC	The fire department was out there, but someone managed to put it out with an extinguisher.
[08:07]	DaemonFC	They said $5,000 or so in damage. Frayed extension cord.
[08:07]	TR News	"Apple SUED for privacy violations; iOS collects invasive analytics even if you opt out." https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/apple-sued-for-privacy-violations-ios:6
[08:07]	TR Bot	 Apple SUED for privacy violations; iOS collects invasive analytics even if you opt out.
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[08:08]	TR News	Microsoft propaganda site "securityboulevard" is STILL bringing up FUD from 11 MONTHS AGO! https://securityboulevard.com/2022/11/what-do-log4shell-and-a-global-pandemic-have-in-common/ see http://techrights.org/2019/09/09/attacking-foss-by-proxy/
[08:08]	TR Bot	 What do Log4Shell and a Global Pandemic Have in Common? - Security Boulevard
[08:08]	TR Bot	 Security Boulevard is a Microsoft-Connected Attack Site Created by a Free Software-Hostile Person | Techrights
[08:09]	TR News	Jim Zemlin works for Microsoft more than he works for GNU/Linux users. He even speaks for Microsoft: http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/jim-zemlin-applauding-bill-gates/
[08:09]	TR Bot	 Jim Zemlin Idolises Microsoft and Bill Gates (in New Talk Published This Week), Applauding a Back Doors Company and Jeffrey Epsteins Enabler | Techrights
[08:12]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Honestly, I've never felt more constantly afraid in my life of the government here than I have now.
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	i see...
[08:12]	DaemonFC	It's getting worse every year. More authoritarian, more repressive, more dismissive of our rights.
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	fight back amicably
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	like,
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	use cash
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	don't use mobile
[08:12]	DaemonFC	Trump announced that he's officially running for president again. That's horrifying in and of itself.
[08:12]	schestowitz[TR]	wear mask and hoodie
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	insist on stuff
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	and fight back when denied a right
[08:13]	DaemonFC	The only thing that's somewhat reassuring is that the midterms didn't go particularly well, and he's why.
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	yes, it was predicted that on this day trump would announce it
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	weeks ago
[08:13]	DaemonFC	They were still a proxy referendum on him because he's still out there making an issue of himself.
[08:13]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: If GOP knows what's good for them they'll make sure he's no the candidate.
[08:13]	NoseCandy	robbing banks, smoking blunts, drinking 40s
[08:13]	schestowitz[TR]	here, in ukland, the number one concern is cost of living atm
[08:14]	DaemonFC	<XRevan86> DaemonFC: If GOP knows what's good for them they'll make sure he's no the candidate.
[08:14]	DaemonFC	They really can't.
[08:14]	schestowitz[TR]	https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/14/uk-top-issues/
[08:14]	TR Bot	Blog Archive UK Survey on Top Issues as Perceived by the Public
[08:14]	DaemonFC	As long as his campaign can get on the primary ballot in all the states, he can cobble together enough delegates.
[08:14]	schestowitz[TR]	Issue: (followed by % concerned)
[08:14]	schestowitz[TR]	The cost of living 93%
[08:14]	schestowitz[TR]	The NHS 82%
[08:14]	schestowitz[TR]	The economy 79%
[08:14]	DaemonFC	I mean, assuming they don't grow a spine and change the Convention rules to try to block him.
[08:15]	DaemonFC	Most people despise Donald Trump, but there's enough out there that really really like him.
[08:15]	DaemonFC	Scary people.
[08:15]	DaemonFC	And they're a large minority, and so it all comes down to turnout.
[08:16]	DaemonFC	Does he scare the fucking shit out of enough people to form a coalition against him again?
[08:16]	DaemonFC	I'd like to think that 2016 was an aberration, like people didn't take him seriously and got caught off guard.
[08:17]	DaemonFC	Unless we get really lucky and a couple Republican Supreme Court judges just stroke out or something, we've already lost the Supreme Court for years.
[08:17]	DaemonFC	That's bad enough by itself.
[08:18]	DaemonFC	It's a badly structured government and nobody wants to reform it, because reform would open up a can of worms. Everyone comes and makes demands and you won't know what you get. 
[08:19]	DaemonFC	One of the ways it's bad is the Constitution allows for a Constitutional Convention to amend or replace the entire thing, if enough states call for one.
[08:19]	DaemonFC	We've probably had enough states call for one and we haven't done it because nobody made good records and it's not clear whether a state can rescind their request once it's out there.
[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[08:20]	DaemonFC	Many blue states realized, several years ago, that most of the states were ran by Republicans and that Democrats would be outnumbered at a Convention.
[08:20]	DaemonFC	So they started passing resolutions to withdraw their requests, on the hope that they could prevent a Convention from happening.
[08:21]	DaemonFC	It would be a disaster. It would be "Everything the Republicans ever wanted to strip out of the Constitution (or put in it) but never had the votes." all at once.
[08:22]	DaemonFC	Do you want to end birthright citizenship? Throw the Senate elections back to the legislatures and ensure a Republican majority? Done and Done.
[08:22]	DaemonFC	Do you want to end one person, one vote? Sure. Do you want to make it so there's no bill of rights and the police can do whatever they want? Sure.
[08:23]	DaemonFC	I mean, you give it to them, you're going to have probably a massive increase in federal government power because they know they can also rig it so they're the ones using it.
[08:24]	DaemonFC	Right now, the government can change hands so both sides benefit from federalism, so things are a bit more stable than you'd think.
[08:25]	DaemonFC	If the Republicans could knock over everything they didn't like in the Constitution, I think we'd become more like a unitary state.
[08:25]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> The cost of living 93%
[08:25]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> The NHS 82%
[08:25]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> The economy 79%
[08:26]	DaemonFC	I think in Illinois, it went, "The economy, threats to democracy, cost of living, healthcare, crime.".
[08:26]	DaemonFC	It's pretty weird that in a state with so much crime, crime managed to get knocked back to 5th place.
[08:26]	DaemonFC	Shows you how bad everything else has become.
[08:27]	DaemonFC	Matt GULAG, totally not racist, doesn't live anywhere near them.
[08:28]	DaemonFC	(For unrelated reasons!)
[08:28]		*DaemonFC snaps fingers and uses his Q powers to transport mjg59_ to 73rd and Exchange.
[08:28]	DaemonFC	Good luck!
[08:30]	TR News	"The App Association is concerned about restrictive policies in countries such as Russia and China, that ban VPN usage." https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-restrictions-are-problematic-app-association-tells-u-s-government-221115/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[08:30]	TR Bot	Restrictions Are Problematic, App Association Tells U.S. Government * TorrentFreak
[08:30]	TR News	"A man who used hacked Netflix credentials to obtain content before uploading it to a torrent site has been sentenced" https://torrentfreak.com/man-used-stolen-netflix-credentials-to-acquire-content-for-torrent-site-221115/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[08:30]	TR Bot	Used Stolen Netflix Credentials to Acquire Content For Torrent Site * TorrentFreak
[08:31]	TR News	2.3% Graduation Rate https://www.propublica.org/article/missouri-sheltered-workshops-low-graduation-rate So, Pro Publica, that's higher than the 0% graduation rates of your Sugar Daddy, Bill Gates
[08:31]	TR Bot	 Missouris Sheltered Workshops Have a 2.3% Graduation Rate ProPublica
[08:32]	NoseCandy	nigga please
[08:34]	TR News	IMF: silence killer, run by convicted criminals! https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/15/imf-warns-of-wave-of-debt-crises-coming-in-global-south-with-war-interest-rate-hikes-overvalued-dollar/ | Source: Scheerpost
[08:34]	TR Bot	Warns of 'Wave of Debt Crises' Coming in Global South, With War, Interest Rate Hikes, Overvalued Dollar - scheerpost.com
[08:35]	NoseCandy	i talk with a mic and walk with a knife
[08:35]	NoseCandy	stabbing mother fuckers who try to roll up on me
[08:36]	schestowitz[TR]	and if you carry on promoting and glorifying crime, you will be baned
[08:37]	NoseCandy	why u gotta be fronting
[08:37]	NoseCandy	you
[08:38]	NoseCandy	you're wrinkling my fresh gear
[08:38]	TR News	The trademark silliness https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/15/in-n-out-trademark-tourism-allows-it-to-keep-mark-for-double-double-in-canada/ | Source: Techdirt
[08:38]	TR Bot	Trademark Tourism Allows It To Keep Mark For Double-Double In Canada | Techdirt
[08:38]	NoseCandy	i don't want the knock offs nigga
[08:38]	NoseCandy	give me the real shit
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[08:39]	spazz	.
[08:39]	TR News	Devin Nunes SLAPPing https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/15/devin-nunes-learns-that-if-hes-going-to-sue-for-suggesting-his-family-hired-undocumented-workers-part-of-the-lawsuit-is-finding-out-if-the-workers-are-documented/ | Source: Techdirt
[08:39]	TR Bot	Nunes Learns That If Hes Going To Sue For Suggesting His Family Hired Undocumented Workers, Part Of The Lawsuit Is Finding Out If The Workers Are Documented | Techdirt
[08:40]	TR News	Techdirt tired of Twitter too. Longtime apologist of Twitter. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/15/new-techdirt-policy-no-more-embedded-tweets/ | Source: Techdirt
[08:40]	TR Bot	Techdirt Policy: No More Embedded Tweets | Techdirt
[08:41]	TR News	Apple is a foe of privacy; the marketing from Apple says the exact opposite, targeting the gullible https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/15/apple-sued-after-another-study-finds-its-well-hyped-privacy-standards-are-often-theatrical/ | Source: Techdirt
[08:41]	TR Bot	Sued After Another Study Finds Its Well-Hyped Privacy Standards Are Often Theatrical | Techdirt
[08:42]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/11/top-zeus-botnet-suspect-tank-arrested-in-geneva/ | Source: Krebs On Security
[08:42]	TR Bot	 Top Zeus Botnet Suspect Tank Arrested in Geneva Krebs on Security
[08:43]	TR News	Use Windows, lose a ton of money https://michaelwest.com.au/medibank-sticks-by-hacker-ransom-call/ https://michaelwest.com.au/cyber-attack-to-cost-medibank-up-to-35m/
[08:43]	TR Bot	 Medibank sticks by hacker ransom call - Michael West
[08:43]	TR Bot	 Cyber attack to cost Medibank up to $35m - Michael West
[08:43]	TR News	"FTX partnership with Ukraine" https://thegrayzone.com/2022/11/15/ftx-ukraine-western-aid/ | Source: The Gray Zone
[08:43]	TR Bot	 FTX partnership with Ukraine is latest chapter in shady Western aid saga - The Grayzone
[08:44]	TR News	sanders https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-democrats-must-curb-billionaires-grip-on-elections-to-save-democracy/ | Source: TruthOut
[08:44]	TR Bot	 Sanders: Democrats Must Curb Billionaires Grip on Elections to Save Democracy
[08:44]	TR News	Lingering perception that the billionaires control everything, even manipulating facts https://truthout.org/articles/billionaire-funded-anti-science-campaigns-are-causing-unnecessary-deaths/ | Source: TruthOut
[08:44]	TR Bot	 Billionaire-Funded Anti-Science Campaigns Are Causing Unnecessary Deaths
[08:45]	starstreak	https://go.dev/dl/go1.19.3.linux-amd64.tar.gz
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[08:48]	TR News	Blender https://hackaday.com/2022/11/15/blender-builds-lego-models/ | Source: Hackaday
[08:52]	TR News	Microsoft is more an enemy than China is. This is Microsoft leveraging nationalism fro distract from its liability. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/15/microsoft-says-china-is-abusing-vulnerability-disclosure-requirements-to-hoard-exploits/ | Source: Techdirt
[08:53]	TR News	"The government of India continues to increase its monitoring of residents day-to-day lives" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/15/public-records-expose-indian-governments-full-access-to-nations-internet-traffic/ | Source: Techdirt
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[09:00]		*schestowitz removes ban on dope_dealer!*@*
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[09:01]		*schestowitz removes ban on pylink-_9pfs!*@*
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[09:01]	schestowitz[TR]	the troll got bored by now, let's hope
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[09:05]	TR News	They write the rules https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/11/15/secrecy-enabled-rich-countries-lets-corporations-dodge-90-billion-taxes-year | Source: Common Dreams
[09:05]	TR Bot	 Secrecy Enabled by Rich Countries Lets Corporations Dodge $90 Billion in Taxes Per Year
[09:07]	TR News	Misnomer https://hackaday.com/2022/11/15/the-blood-factory-new-research-may-open-the-door-to-artificial-blood/ | Source: Hackaday
[09:07]	TR Bot	Blood Factory: New Research May Open The Door To Artificial Blood | Hackaday
[09:07]	TR News	"chaotic mismanagement of a social media" https://hackaday.com/2022/11/15/mastodon-comes-to-the-ibm-pc/ | Source: Hackaday
[09:07]	TR Bot	Comes To The IBM PC | Hackaday
[09:08]	reptilian_thighs	IBM are such nazis
[09:09]	schestowitz[TR]	torvalds: gnome is interface nazis
[09:09]	schestowitz[TR]	(gnbome is mostly controlled by IBM)
[09:09]	schestowitz[TR]	nice indirection you got there, linus
[09:09]	starstreak	i like gnome
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR]	we know what nazis did to midgets
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR]	they didn't even need CIBM equipment for that
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR]	those people were already identifiable
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR]	and some others were in care homes
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR]	that became "hunger rooms"
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR]	ICBM: stop saying GNOME!!
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR]	It's offensive to midgets!!
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR]	(like GIMP)
[09:13]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/23/the-dwarves-of-auschwitz
[09:13]	TR Bot	 The dwarves of Auschwitz | Holocaust | The Guardian
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR]	https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-murder-of-people-with-disabilities
[09:15]	TR Bot	 The Murder of People with Disabilities | Holocaust Encyclopedia
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
[09:15]	TR Bot	 Aktion T4 - Wikipedia
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR]	"The program also served as a training ground for SS members who manned these camps."
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/genocide-of-european-roma-gypsies-1939-1945
[09:17]	TR Bot	 Genocide of European Roma (Gypsies), 19391945 | Holocaust Encyclopedia
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[09:20]	TR News	"So half the staff was canned at Twitter And in a way that made them bitter." https://www.thenation.com/article/society/musk-takes-over-twitter/ | Source: The Nation
[09:20]	TR Bot	 Musk Takes Over Twitter | The Nation
[09:22]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/16/irc-log-151122/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/16/irc-log-151122/
[09:22]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 | Techrights
[09:23]	TR News	Asylum-Seeker Being Force-Fed in Microsoft ICE https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/11/15/chilling-video-footage-shows-asylum-seeker-being-force-fed-ice-detention | Source: Common Dreams
[09:23]	TR Bot	 'Chilling' Video Footage Shows Asylum-Seeker Being Force-Fed in ICE Detention
[09:25]	TR News	"There are plenty of problems that are easy for humans to solve, but are almost impossibly difficult for computers" https://hackaday.com/2022/11/15/wearable-sensor-trained-to-count-coughs/ | Source: Hackaday
[09:25]	TR Bot	Sensor Trained To Count Coughs | Hackaday
[09:26]	TR News	"In amateur radio circles, almost no single piece of equipment serves as more of a magnet for controversy than the humble Baofeng handheld" https://hackaday.com/2022/11/15/getting-to-the-heart-of-a-baofeng/ | Source: Hackaday
[09:26]	TR Bot	To The Heart Of A Baofeng | Hackaday
[09:29]	TR News	 (NEW): Microsoft Security Failures and Lies http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Microsoft_Security_Failures_and_Lies.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Microsoft_Security_Failures_and_Lies.gmi 
[09:29]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Microsoft Security Failures and Lies
[09:31]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[09:31]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
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[10:00]	XRevan86	> Well, two Russian missiles went off course and hit Poland, killing two.
[10:00]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/UAWeapons/status/1592629251161075712
[10:00]	TR Bot	Ukraine Weapons Tracker (@UAWeapons): "So what crashed in the village of Przewodw, Poland today? With the cooperation of @blueboy1969 we analyzed the available photos of fragments and came to a clear conclusion that they belong to the 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300 AD system- a Ukrainian one."|nitter.it
[10:01]	XRevan86	And that's why I avoided making statements one way or another yesterday.
[10:05]	XRevan86	Which is not something I can say about some tabloids unfortunately. I guess my credibility is more important to me than theirs to them, but sensational clickbait news title. And I'm just a guy on IRC.
[10:12]	KiKi	https://www.dailyadvent.com/news/e6f63a2e93d7883c1df00e7808e9e520-Modi-Data-for-development-will-be-integral-part-of-Indias-G20-Presidency
[10:12]	TR Bot	 Modi: 'Data for development' will be integral part of India's G-20 Presidency - Opera News
[10:12]	KiKi	" India will assume G20 Presidency for one year, beginning December 1, 2022.
[10:12]	KiKi	Digital transformation is the most remarkable change of our era. The proper use of digital technologies can become a force multiplier in the decades-long global fight against poverty, Modi said." 
[10:12]	KiKi	I still do not understand How?
[10:13]	KiKi	Digital solutions can also be helpful in the fight against climate change - as we all saw in the examples of remote-working and paperless green offices during the Covid-19 pandemic, he said. 
[10:14]	KiKi	I think he was just reading the script written by the elite corporatist.
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR]	seems like pretexts
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR]	Digital transformation" is GAFAM talk
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR]	modi still works for his handlers, inc. Bill Gates
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/07/27/ibm-and-modi/
[10:16]	TR Bot	 IBM is Associating Closely With Modi This Month (Same Modi Who Also Associates With Bill Gates, Profiteer in Charity Clothing) | Techrights
[10:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[10:27]	KiKi	<schestowitz[TR], that makes sense.With the help of IBM India is planning to export tech to all developing nations which are not yet under the digital payment umbrella and steal the private data.
[10:28]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/aadhar-uidai-cyber-spying-cia-wikileaks-report-cross-match-technologies-1032343-2017-08-27
[10:28]	TR Bot	 Wikileaks report claims CIA may access Aadhaar card details, government denies - India Today
[10:28]	KiKi	they all want to track our spending so that they can control the market.
[10:28]	TR News	Links 16/11/2022: Big Changes at IGEL, Offpunk 1.7 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/16/big-changes-at-igel/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/16/big-changes-at-igel/
[10:28]	TR Bot	 Links 16/11/2022: Big Changes at IGEL, Offpunk 1.7 Released | Techrights
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR]	KiKi: yes, info is power
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR]	well, good news is,
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR]	we've moved everyone to mumble
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR]	9 people now on our mumble network
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR]	friends, family
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR]	I plan to spend weeks more studying alternative clients
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR]	and then promote that properly
[10:30]	TR News	 (NEW): Firefox Issues and Mozilla Privacy Posing http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Firefox_Issues_and_Mozilla_Privacy_Posing.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Firefox_Issues_and_Mozilla_Privacy_Posing.gmi 
[10:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Firefox Issues and Mozilla Privacy Posing
[10:30]	TR News	 (NEW): Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers
[10:30]	TR News	 (NEW): Devices/Embedded: Pi and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Devices_Embedded_Pi_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Devices_Embedded_Pi_and_More.gmi 
[10:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Devices/Embedded: Pi and More
[10:30]	TR News	 (NEW): Operating Systems: CP/M, Haiku, and BSD http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Operating_Systems_CP_M_Haiku_and_BSD.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Operating_Systems_CP_M_Haiku_and_BSD.gmi 
[10:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Operating Systems: CP/M, Haiku, and BSD
[10:31]	KiKi	Ok,thank for the tip,I will try out mumble.
[10:31]	schestowitz[TR]	install mumble-server
[10:31]	schestowitz[TR]	to host your own
[10:32]	schestowitz[TR]	it's super-simple
[10:32]	schestowitz[TR]	we used mumble almosta  decade ago to record our podcast
[10:32]	KiKi	some needs to figure out how to pot out of digital payment system and keep cash alive
[10:32]	schestowitz[TR]	the only hard part is trying to convince others to install a client
[10:33]	KiKi	hah i was about to type the same concern
[10:33]	schestowitz[TR]	I think you and I spoke aboitu this, KiKi 
[10:33]	schestowitz[TR]	unless I mistake you for someone else in the channe
[10:33]	KiKi	yes I remember what you said and I a doing it 
[10:33]	schestowitz[TR]	ios and android have mumble clients
[10:33]	schestowitz[TR]	desktops... all major OSes
[10:33]	schestowitz[TR]	last night I went to a local shop covered bottom to top except eyes
[10:34]	schestowitz[TR]	paid with cash
[10:34]	schestowitz[TR]	if 50% of their customers did this, we'd be better off
[10:34]	schestowitz[TR]	i only bought some fruit
[10:35]	KiKi	what if they ban cash overnight, this guy modi did something like that few years back
[10:35]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/
[10:35]	TR Bot	 High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights
[10:36]	KiKi	https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-37974423
[10:36]	TR Bot	India wiped out 86% of its cash overnight - BBC News
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah, disturbing
[10:37]	KiKi	the aim was to force people to use digital payments.
[10:37]	KiKi	and it worked
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/03/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-cyprus-bank-disaster/274096/
[10:37]	TR Bot	 Everything You Need to Know About the Cyprus Bank Disaster - The Atlantic
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR]	https://nomadcapitalist.com/finance/offshore/your-bank-account-is-no-longer-sacrosanct/
[10:37]	TR Bot	 Bank Account Confiscation in Cyprus
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR]	they try to justify this by saving it was black money
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR]	and used Russia as a straw man
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR]	as if, people who desposit money in cypriot banks are russian oligarchs
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR]	but then they rob millions of people
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR]	and assure the world, nothing to see here
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR]	we take back from russian theives
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR]	we're robin hoods
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	modi is instruments of people like bill gates
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	modi should be voted out of office
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	he's a nasty fascist
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	also natgionalis/racist
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	we in the west arnt' "|meant" to call some indian racists
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR]	even though indians themsleves will tell you racism is a big problem in india
[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	not limited to the caste system
[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	modi divides the nation
[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	and some people votef for him based on ideaological grounds
[10:40]	KiKi	every country gets what they deserve 
[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	then he implements globalist (read: colonialist) agenda
[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	in every region in the largest or most populous nation on earth
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[10:40]	schestowitz[TR]	so companies get their per-capitta "market share"
[10:40]	techuser	It seems someone banned me from techrights
[10:41]	techuser	*#techrights
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR]	"x people use digital payments and no cash"
[10:41]	techuser	or more likely, the exit node I was using
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR]	wb, techuser , not banned
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR]	we kicked out the one who promoted crime
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR]	and momentarily prevented logins
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR]	to prevent him nymshifting as before
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR]	he was promoting some knide crime etc.
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	*knife
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	channels have their limits if they don't waish to be associated with violent and illegal activity
[10:42]	techuser	irssi just removes the channel window, and I have to read through the long logs to see where I was banned from
[10:42]	techuser	because I have bad memory
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	everyone was 'banned'
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	for 30 mins or so
[10:42]	techuser	why not +i though?
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	you dropped the connection and could not get back in
[10:43]	techuser	though it would look the same for me anyway, whether +i or +b
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	good idea
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	thanks
[10:43]	techuser	irssi just removes the window when it can't join it for some reason on reconnect
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	KiKi: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/29/bank-of-cyprus-depositors-lose-savings/2595837/
[10:43]	TR Bot	 USA TODAY
[10:43]	techuser	yw
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	the worry is, they might implement this in more countries later
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-21814325
[10:43]	TR Bot	in Cyprus as savers face bailout levy - BBC News
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	they punished preudent people
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	who worked hard to save
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	in order to bail out corrupt banksters
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	who gave accounts for literal criminals
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	for money laundering
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	instead of arresting those banksters
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	and supporting the locals who are prudent savers
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	if the UK trid the same, there wouldm be no prior warning
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	hyper0inflation is one way to punish savers
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	but it has collateral damage
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	like huring people who live 'hand to mouth'
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	by massively inflating basic costs of food
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	warning: wikipedia (astroturfed crap) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%932013_Cypriot_financial_crisis
[10:45]	TR Bot	 20122013 Cypriot financial crisis - Wikipedia
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	Bill Gates-bribed rag: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/16/cyprus-savings-levy-imposed-eurozone
[10:45]	KiKi	in germany cost have risen upto 60% in some parts
[10:45]	TR Bot	 Cyprus: panic as savings levy is imposed | Cyprus | The Guardian
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	KiKi: 1930s again? time will tell
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	better source: 
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/customers-at-cyprus-biggest-bank-stung-by-60-raid-on-savings-8555078.html
[10:46]	TR Bot	 Customers at Cyprus' biggest bank stung by 60% raid on savings | The Independent | The Independent
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cyprus-parliament-idUSBRE92G03I20130330
[10:46]	TR Bot	details heavy losses for major bank customers | Reuters
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bank-of-cyprus-savers-to-lose-47-above-100-000-1.1407015
[10:46]	TR Bot	 Bank of Cyprus savers to lose 47% above 100,000 | CBC News
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/asset-seizure-in-cyprus-could-it-ever-happen-in-the-u-s
[10:46]	TR Bot	 Asset Seizure in Cyprus: Could it Ever Happen in the U.S.? | Fox Business
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/forget-cyprus-the-real-savings-robbery-is-in-britain
[10:46]	TR Bot	 Forget Cyprus, the real savings robbery is in Britain | The Spectator
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	cash is no panacea
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	but with cash they cannot confiscate
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	they can void/invalidate
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	but in cyrpus if you kept money under your bricks, you're be vastly better off
[10:47]	KiKi	small nuggets of gold is what the answer seems to be
[10:47]	schestowitz[TR]	in india the "brick" people suffered more
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR]	gold and silver are also dodgy
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR]	I have a friend who 'bought' gold
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR]	turned out, he used some bank to tell him he 'held' gold
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR]	the bank can deny that
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	and if you keep the gold at home it can be stolen or you can be sold fakes
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	"crypto" "currency" is the worst
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	just some web site and "bros" assuring you that you have $some_number
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	some oligarchs stockpile homes
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	and then they rely on "property rights"
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	in the past, some nations confiscated homes too
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	"your [race] is not allowed to own a home"
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	one method to save is reducing one's cost of living
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	then, hyperinflation is the weapon against you
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	the last "markets" to colapse will be those oligarchs invest in
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	because they writer the laws and will save their own arse first
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	musk lost a lot in "value"
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	cryptocrash
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	and then twitter
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	than tesla crashing
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	and market derivatives
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	but he still has too much power
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	and they don't pay tax (his "class")
[10:52]	KiKi	but how will one hold their savings?( the common man)
[10:53]	schestowitz[TR]	that's the thing
[10:54]	schestowitz[TR]	it's all risky, you choose the leats risk, I guess
[10:54]	schestowitz[TR]	*least
[10:54]	KiKi	yea
[10:54]	schestowitz[TR]	some idiots in usland build a bunker
[10:54]	schestowitz[TR]	and buy firearms
[10:54]	KiKi	diversify rather than keep everything in one basket
[10:54]	schestowitz[TR]	because of a stupid culture of Apocalypse preachers and dumb movies
[10:55]	schestowitz[TR]	Russia now: bunkers https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/11/14/demand-for-private-bunkers-soars-in-russia | Source: Med
[10:55]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[10:55]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe they think ahead of risk of nuclear war
[10:55]	schestowitz[TR]	need enough food to "wait out" the fallout
[10:55]	KiKi	what will people do if this is what they are fed
[10:55]	KiKi	https://nypost.com/2022/10/22/dr-doom-nouriel-roubini-predicts-scary-demise-for-us/
[10:55]	TR Bot	 'Dr. Doom' Nouriel Roubini predicts scary demise for US
[10:56]	schestowitz[TR]	oct 2022
[10:56]	schestowitz[TR]	it doesn't take much to "predict" what happened 20 years ago
[10:56]	KiKi	https://dailycaller.com/2022/09/20/nouriel-roubini-rececssion-inflation-stagflation-dr-doom/
[10:56]	TR Bot	 Expert Economist Dr. Doom Predicts Long And Ugly Recession That Could Change The World | The Daily Caller
[10:56]	schestowitz[TR]	right-wing press
[10:57]	schestowitz[TR]	munrdoch and Daily Called (GOP)
[10:57]	KiKi	hehe
[10:57]	schestowitz[TR]	they probably blame "the libs", too
[10:57]	schestowitz[TR]	*Daily Caller and Murdoch (NYPost)
[10:57]	schestowitz[TR]	if only all the machos marched with weapons down the capitol
[10:58]	schestowitz[TR]	even in a plain vanilla recession, the S&P 500 can fall by 30%.
[10:58]	schestowitz[TR]	happened
[10:58]	schestowitz[TR]	S&P is like 20% just 5 companies
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	they can call it S&P 5
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	not 500
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 80.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	and those companies are overvalued by a factopr of 10 or more
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	"He believes that corporations and shallow banks, like hedge funds, credit funds, and private equity will implode,"
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	Happened
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	2008
[10:59]	KiKi	all major stock markets are, paris stock market is the largest in Europe now beating out London.
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	"Bloomberg reported. Roubinis predictions could see the end of globalization, with manufacturing relocating to Europe and the U.S."
[10:59]	schestowitz[TR]	1990s
● Nov 16
[11:00]	schestowitz[TR]	outsourcing
[11:00]	schestowitz[TR]	now it is ACCELERATING FURTHER
[11:00]	schestowitz[TR]	not stopping
[11:00]	schestowitz[TR]	I've not been saying "made in USA" electronics lately
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[11:00]	schestowitz[TR]	not even japan or taiwan (6 eyes)
[11:00]	schestowitz[TR]	it's all china
[11:00]	KiKi	apple is shifting 50 % of it's manufacturing to India 
[11:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"His concerns are mirrored by other financial and economic experts, such as Michael Burry, who believes were headed for the mother of all crashes. "
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	Just libertarian/Trumper
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	always predicting the same
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[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	after it already happened
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a "Safe bet"
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	it's like predicting that ICBM would shrinki
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	since the 1980s
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	it used to have like half a million workers
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	not far less and many are based in India
[11:01]	schestowitz[TR]	not because India has superior technical skills
[11:02]	KiKi	https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/apple-will-manufacture-iphone-14-in-india-1.6084096
[11:02]	TR Bot	 Apple shifting iPhone 14 production from China to India | CTV News
[11:02]	schestowitz[TR]	KiKi: as for Apple, demand plunged
[11:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and so did manufacturing
[11:02]	schestowitz[TR]	it helps them distract
[11:02]	schestowitz[TR]	they mention India to explain why not much gets produced anymore
[11:02]	schestowitz[TR]	master of media manipulation
[11:02]	KiKi	hahah
[11:02]	schestowitz[TR]	with money on the side for "advertising" in "press" sites
[11:02]	schestowitz[TR]	to play along
[11:03]	schestowitz[TR]	apple is seeing sales SOAR... in LATEST product
[11:03]	schestowitz[TR]	that's how it works
[11:03]	schestowitz[TR]	you make a new product
[11:03]	schestowitz[TR]	it sells better than the older one
[11:03]	schestowitz[TR]	they cannibalise
[11:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and all in all production stalled
[11:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and apple stopped hiring
[11:03]	schestowitz[TR]	which means staffing will decrease., headcount going down
[11:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and they say apple's value is like Google+Amazon+FB commbined
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR]	they merely make the observation that apple is massively OVER-valued, based on lies
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR]	and bribed media
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR]	ahd sharehoklders  who believe that apple tells publishers to p[rint\
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR]	"Roubini has previously stated that getting to a 2% inflation rate is going to be the Federal Reserves mission impossible, the outlet continued. In the next month, hes expecting a 75 basis point hike, with two 50 basis point hikes in November and December of 2022, Bloomberg reported.
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR]	"
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR]	Bloomberg
[11:04]	KiKi	"berg"
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	your friend "Mike" Bloomberg
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	from down the pub
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	Mike Bloomberg 2020
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	vote for oligarchy
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	oligarchy for president
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	no indirectiopn
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	Bloomberg was Biden's #1 sponsor
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/political-debt/
[11:05]	TR Bot	 Who President Biden is Indebted to (e.g. Google Monopoly and the Financial Sector) | Techrights
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/biden-contributors.jpg
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR]	Bloomberg #1
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR]	10 times more "contribution" than Gulag ("Alphabet")
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR]	Bloomber 58 million dollars
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR]	Gulag $6.4
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR]	(million)
[11:07]	KiKi	what about oil companies?
[11:07]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe that's bad optics
[11:07]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe he turned that down
[11:07]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/biden-contributors.jpg
[11:07]	schestowitz[TR]	lol
[11:07]	schestowitz[TR]	FTX.US!!!!
[11:07]	KiKi	5.22 mil
[11:07]	schestowitz[TR]	Biden got from FTX almost as much asss Gulag
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> "The World Economic Forum has deleted its FTX page" and Microsoft's Net Friedman shilled this scam https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/11/ftx/ | Source: Craig Murray
[11:08]	TR Bot	 FTX - Craig Murray
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	Microsoft's Net Friendman (the anti-Linux guy) was advisor for FTX
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	*Nat
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	*Friedman
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR]	https://opencorporates.com/officers/573939501
[11:09]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR]	""
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[11:09]	schestowitz[TR]	Company
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR]	MICROSOFT CORPORATION
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR]	corporate vice president
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR]	and FTX advisor
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR]	robbing people
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> "He used bespoke software that was designed so that even external auditors would not be notified of changes to FTX books" https://coinmarketcal.com/en/news/sbf-built-bespoke-backdoor-to-outwit-ftx-compliance-systems-reuters |
[11:10]	TR Bot	 SBF built bespoke backdoor to outwit FTX compliance systems: Reuters
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> "Both Reuters and The Wall Street Journal found that Bankman-Fried, now the ex-CEO of FTX, transferred $10 billion of customer funds from his crypto exchange to the digital asset trading house, Alameda Research." https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/12/1-billion-to-2-billion-of-ftx-customer-funds-missing-report.html | Source: CNBC
[11:10]	TR Bot	 $1 billion to $2 billion of FTX customer funds missing: Report
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> "The exchange's founder Sam Bankman-Fried secretly transferred $10 billion of customer funds from FTX to Bankman-Fried's trading company Alameda Research" https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/exclusive-least-1-billion-client-funds-missing-failed-crypto-firm-ftx-sources-2022-11-12/ | Source: Reuters
[11:10]	TR Bot	At least $1 billion of client funds missing at failed crypto firm FTX | Reuters
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	Thanks, Microsoft and friends!
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	Biden: thank you for your support!
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR]	Biden did not regulate the shit out of those scammers
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR]	they didn't "bribe" him
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR]	they gave over $5 in "campaign contributions"
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR]	(million)
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR]	then stole $10,000 million
[11:12]	TR News	Clickbait BS disguises as reporting in Microsoft propaganda site https://www.neowin.net/news/study-almost-50-of-macos-malware-only-comes-from-one-app/
[11:12]	TR Bot	 Study: Almost 50% of macOS malware only comes from one app - Neowin
[11:12]	KiKi	the giy has been tweeting that alameda has 3 times assets to cover for FTX.US liability
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe bidewn will do something
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	orrrr... maybe not
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	he knows his bosses
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR]	his sponsors
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR]	he even bailed out microsoft  http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[11:15]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[11:15]	TR News	"I got a new 11 gizmo to replace the 10.5 gizmo. Because the computing world is more than a bit topsy-turvy at the moment, its the fastest computing device in my house." gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/adiabatic/scrawlspace/
[11:17]	TR News	Celebrating 300 Episodes by Giving Thanks to Open Source https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/destination-linux/dl-300/
[11:17]	TR Bot	300 Episodes by Giving Thanks to Open Source - Destination Linux - TuxDigital
[11:20]	TR News	Not only is this proprietary and controlled by Microsoft; it doesn't truly run on GNU/Linux, so better migrate to a free alternative https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-ms-sql-server-on-rocky-linux/
[11:20]	TR Bot	 How to Install and Use MS SQL Server on Rocky Linux
[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[11:22]	TR News	Microsoft Mono infestation; better not recommend this https://www.linuxcapable.com/install-pinta-on-fedora-linux/
[11:22]	TR Bot	to Install Pinta on Fedora 37/36/35 - LinuxCapable
[11:22]	TR News	How I decreased the time to create and destroy an OCI container to 5 milliseconds | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/speed-oci-containers Source: Red Hat Official | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/sysadmin/speed-oci-containers
[11:22]	TR Bot	 How I decreased the time to create and destroy an OCI container to 5 milliseconds | Enable Sysadmin
[11:25]	TR News	ICBM burns its customers, but its paid shill Timothy Prickett Morgan makes it sound like good news https://www.itjungle.com/2022/11/16/ibm-sets-maintenance-withdrawal-on-power8-iron-for-2024/ site corrupted by money: http://techrights.org/2022/10/24/ibm-it-jungle/
[11:25]	TR Bot	 IBM Sets Maintenance Withdrawal On Power8 Iron For 2024 - IT Jungle
[11:25]	TR Bot	 IT Jungle Still Failing to Properly Disclose That IBM Pays It to Promote IBM in About 90% of Articles (PR Vehicle in Media Clothing) | Techrights
[11:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.3.gmi 
[11:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[11:29]	TR News	Linuxfx 11.2.22.04.5 is out http://www.linuxfx.org/
[11:29]	TR Bot	 Linuxfx Operating System
[11:30]	TR News	Sean Michael Kerner still publishing "HEY HI" trash, not just for Microsoft but for buzzword slingers who try to attract gullible shareholders to their scams ("companies") https://venturebeat.com/ai/integrated-ai-can-generate-460-billion-in-incremental-profits-report-finds/ Infosys = Microsofters
[11:30]	TR Bot	AI can generate $460 billion in incremental profits, report finds | VentureBeat
[11:31]	TR News	"Every week the Epic Games Store provides free titles (usually 2) and this week, at the time of writing, you can still grab the very cute title, Alba: The Wild Adventure. Its aimed at a younger audience but if you have ever liked games like Animal Crossing this may be worth checking out too!" https://boilingsteam.com/alba-a-wildlife-adventure-free-on-egs-and-working-perfectly-on-linux-and-steam-deck-with-heroic-games-launcher/
[11:31]	TR Bot	 Alba - A Wildlife Adventure, Free on EGS and Working Perfectly on Linux and Steam Deck with Heroic Games Launcher - Boiling Steam
[11:37]	TR News	 (NEW): 15 Free and Open-source Self-hosted Messaging Platform And Slack Alternatives http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/15_Free_and_Open_source_Self_hosted_Messaging_Platform_And_Slac.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/15_Free_and_Open_source_Self_hosted_Messaging_Platform_And_Slac.gmi 
[11:37]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 15 Free and Open-source Self-hosted Messaging Platform And Slack Alternatives
[11:37]	TR News	 (NEW): KDEs New Goals - Join the Kick Off Meeting http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/KDE_s_New_Goals_Join_the_Kick_Off_Meeting.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/KDE_s_New_Goals_Join_the_Kick_Off_Meeting.gmi 
[11:37]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines KDEs New Goals - Join the Kick Off Meeting
[11:51]	TR News	add ASUS CROSSHAIR VIII/TUF/ProArt B550M https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/groeck/linux-staging.git/commit/?h=hwmon-next&id=27fea302952d8c90cafbdbee96bafeca03544401
[11:51]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/groeck/linux-staging.git - hwmon staging tree
[11:51]	TR News	[PATCH v3 0/8] KVM: x86: Add AMD Guest PerfMonV2 PMU support - Like Xu https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20221111102645.82001-1-likexu@tencent.com/ Source: amd | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20221111102645.82001-1-likexu@tencent.com/
[11:51]	TR Bot	 [PATCH v3 0/8] KVM: x86: Add AMD Guest PerfMonV2 PMU support - Like Xu
[11:52]	TR News	"I am sharing a story about volunteering and supporting the things I believe in to show you that there is something you could do with your skills or financial assets to turn the world in a better direction." https://talkweb.eu/openweb/3519/
[11:52]	TR Bot	 Why I donate and volunteer, and why you can do it yourself. Bogomil "Bogo" Shopov
[11:53]	MinceR	lol @ cobol linux
[11:53]	MinceR	it had better be cobol.net
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[12:02]	psydruid	.NET Friedman
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	I sued that name before
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	*used
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	his buddy keeps threatening to sue me
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	facts hurt
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe he wishes he could strngle me
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR]	but strangling a person across the atlantic ocean is kind of hard
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR]	2 days ago I got a physical letter in the post threatening to sue me
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR]	EPO-related
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR]	added to my   collection of next batch of letters to rip on video
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[12:07]	psydruid	that will anger them even more, so you will receive even more fanmail
[12:09]	schestowitz[TR]	gulag must have spent like $1000 sending me that letter
[12:10]	XRevan86	https://neuters.de/business/autos-transportation/musks-all-nighters-twitter-raise-concern-tesla-investors-2022-11-15/
[12:10]	TR Bot	 Musk's all-nighters at Twitter raise concern for Tesla investors
[12:10]	schestowitz[TR]	good 
[12:10]	schestowitz[TR]	revenge he did not envision
[12:15]	TR News	"We are proud to announce the release of Qt Design Studio 3.8." https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-design-studio-3.8-released
[12:15]	TR Bot	 Qt Design Studio 3.8 Released
[12:15]	TR News	"Qt Design Studio offers a comprehensive set of resources to help UI designers bring digital experiences to life. Any 2D and 3D graphics content can be seamlessly imported into Qt Design Studio via Qt Bridge technology and transformed into a real UI application. This blog post looks at some of the features we love the most." https://www.qt.io/blog/from-design-to-reality-with-qt-design-studio
[12:15]	TR Bot	 From design to reality: building functional UIs with Qt Design Studio
[12:15]	MinceR	Qt design studio is probably proprietary and requires users to sign up, give a lot of personal data and log in to download
[12:15]	MinceR	i tried to get Qt for work this year and it's a mess
[12:15]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah, I'm aware
[12:15]	MinceR	they hid the "open source" version
[12:16]	schestowitz[TR]	they say "open source" comes later
[12:16]	MinceR	in the end i got lucky and found out that i was supposed to use an old version of Qt Creator anyway
[12:16]	schestowitz[TR]	but only for _some_ versions
[12:16]	schestowitz[TR]	it's like intuit hiding the 'free' tax-filing version of turbotax
[12:16]	schestowitz[TR]	they got sued, iirc
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.cnet.com/personal-finance/ftc-sues-intuit-over-free-turbotax-software/
[12:17]	TR Bot	Sues Intuit Over 'Free' TurboTax Software - CNET
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/ftc-sues-intuit-to-stop-turbotax-ads-for-free-filings
[12:17]	TR Bot	 FTC sues Intuit to stop misleading free TurboTax filing ads | PBS NewsHour
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.npr.org/2022/05/04/1096612276/turbotax-free-tax-filing-intuit-settlement
[12:17]	TR Bot	 TurboTax maker will pay $141M in settlement over ads for free tax-filing : NPR
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/29/ftc-sues-turbotax-owner-intuit-for-advertising-tax-software-as-free.html
[12:17]	TR Bot	 FTC sues TurboTax owner Intuit for advertising tax software as free
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR]	original: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/03/ftc-sues-intuit-its-deceptive-turbotax-free-filing-campaign
[12:17]	TR Bot	 FTC Sues Intuit for Its Deceptive TurboTax free Filing Campaign | Federal Trade Commission
[12:18]	TR News	"Tokodon is a Mastodon client. It allows you to interact with the Fediverse community. Mastedon has microblogging features similar to the Twitter service, which are offered by a large number of independently run nodes, known as instances, each with its own code of conduct, terms of service, privacy options, and moderation policies." https://www.pclinuxos.com/?p=5292
[12:18]	TR Bot	22.09 PCLinuxOS
[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	>> "each with its own code of conduct"
[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	not quite
[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	it is federated
[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	so you have instances going into wars over whose CoC is gretest
[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	and then try to stick their own CoC into other instances as a condition for bans to be lifted
[12:19]	schestowitz[TR]	so at the end the "powerful" instances insert their CoC into the smalkler ones
[12:20]	schestowitz[TR]	like mastodon.oscial
[12:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:20]	MinceR	disgusting
[12:20]	schestowitz[TR]	which shadowbanned ryan
[12:20]	schestowitz[TR]	for talking about the bloodthirty chiese regime and a famous criminal called bill
[12:21]	schestowitz[TR]	I quit all that nonsense
[12:21]	schestowitz[TR]	when they started protecting super-rich criminals I knew they were the real tyrants
[12:21]	schestowitz[TR]	or helping the tyrants
[12:22]	schestowitz[TR]	which is almost the same thing
[12:22]	schestowitz[TR]	under the nice-sounding guise of "Safe space"
[12:22]	schestowitz[TR]	as if chinese people are safe from pooh the bear
[12:22]	schestowitz[TR]	and afircans are safe from patents of corrupt bill gates
[12:22]	schestowitz[TR]	or epstein's sex slaves are safe from bill
[12:22]	schestowitz[TR]	mastodon is a decentralised reddit
[12:22]	schestowitz[TR]	conde nast is not there
[12:23]	schestowitz[TR]	but the unspoken rules are similar
[12:23]	schestowitz[TR]	2017 http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2017/11/21/mastodon-free-speech/
[12:23]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Mastodon is Free Software, But It Does Not Respect Free Speech (Updated)
[12:23]	schestowitz[TR]	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2017/11/23/mastodon-is-oppressive/
[12:23]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Mastodon is Actually a Lot Worse Than Twitter When it Comes to Free Speech. Avoid It.
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	Maybe now Twitter is just as bad
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	They say satirical accounts (parody/humour) accounts get banned
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	even if Musk doesn't profit from selling them a fake "blue verified tick thing"
[12:24]	schestowitz[TR]	Twitter will be miles smaller by year's end
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	in Analystics in Twitter I can see far fewer now log in
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	or read "tweets"
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a graveyard
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	https://netsplit.de/
[12:25]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	1988-present
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	still going
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter: 2006-2022 (?)
[12:26]	schestowitz[TR]	"There are 514 known IRC networks listed below..."
[12:26]	schestowitz[TR]	https://netsplit.de/networks/
[12:26]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[12:26]	schestowitz[TR]	https://netsplit.de/networks/SoylentNews/
[12:26]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	steady: https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=SoylentNews
[12:27]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[12:28]	TR News	"Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 761 for the week of November 6 12, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/11/16/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-761/
[12:29]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 761
[12:30]	TR News	"Over the past few decades, application development has been evolving from bare metal hosting to virtualization to containers" https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/11/16/openshift-essential-containerized-applications
[12:30]	TR Bot	 Why OpenShift is essential for containerized applications | Red Hat Developer
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[12:31]	TR News	cpanel, fantastico et al: proprietary vendor lock-in at ACCOUNT level. Clown computing: proprietary vendor lock-in at OS/container/VM/network level. Best to avoid all those proprietary things, develop skills around commoditised tools.
[12:32]	TR News	The clown computing bubble won't burst. It is ALREADY bursting. The companies that operated at a loss to offer this are under huge pressure from stakeholders to ACTUAL make a profit. Who bears the brunt? Prisoners of the clown computer walled gardens.
[12:34]	TR News	State of clown computing; AWS: operated at a loss for years, then ripped off tenants, now sees "slowdown"; Gulag: HUUUUGE losses in "clown" (like 8 billion dollars per quarter) with almost nothing to show for it. Microsoft Azure: layoffs, shutdowns, and bailouts. Don't say in the "clowned" cage; the quicker you escape, the better!
[12:37]	TR News	Clown computing is one of the biggest price-gouging scams in modern times. It's also a mass surveillance ploy (c/f USA Clown Act 2018). Many companies, govs. and people are still shackled; some aren't even aware of it and haven't kept "in touch" with REAL costs of hosting. Subsidies won't last; it's the cheese in the mousetrap.
[12:40]	MinceR	https://assets.amuniversal.com/0c97f4903853013bcbbc005056a9545d   ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-11-12 )
[12:40]	TR Bot	Life Tweak - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-11-12 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
[12:41]	TR News	Change: Porting Fedora to Modern C https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2889 "Modern"... many old things to break
[12:41]	TR Bot	#2889: Change: Porting Fedora to Modern C - fesco - Pagure.io
[12:42]	TR News	Salix 15.0 "Live Xfce" is out https://forum.salixos.org/
[12:42]	TR Bot	 Salix OS - Index page
[12:43]	MinceR	https://nitter.it/allpointsnorth/status/1592289495579496448
[12:43]	TR Bot	Brennan (@allpointsnorth): "If someone told me that Elon was wandering the corridors of Twitter HQ asking anyone if theyd seen Jenkins, as hes responsible for all the builds and he couldnt find him anywhere Id sort of believe it at this point."|nitter.it
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[12:47]	TR News	Jupiter Broadcasting shilling Microsoft. Rather disgusting. https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-9041 no serious "Code Radio" would shill the company that ATTACKS coders, but... http://techrights.org/2020/05/29/jupiter-broadcasting/
[12:47]	TR Bot	 Microsoft-Connected CloudGuru Doesnt Care About GNU/Linux and Now Its Gradually Killing the BSD/Linux-Centric Jupiter Broadcasting (Bought by Linux Academy) | Techrights
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[12:48]	TR News	"Computer code developed by a company called Pushwoosh is in about 8,000 Apple and Google smartphone apps. The company pretends to be American when it is actually Russian." CIA pretended to be Swiss company, so... https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/russian-software-company-pretending-to-be-american.html
[12:48]	TR Bot	Software Company Pretending to Be American - Schneier on Security
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[12:49]	TR News	hwmon: (nct6775) add ASUS CROSSHAIR VIII/TUF/ProArt B550Mhwmon-next https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/groeck/linux-staging.git/commit/?h=hwmon-next&id=27fea302952d8c90cafbdbee96bafeca03544401
[12:49]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/groeck/linux-staging.git - hwmon staging tree
[12:49]	wael	What are your thoughts on the new libreboot direction?
[12:49]	TR News	Add AMD znver4 processor support https://sourceware.org/git/?p=binutils-gdb.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0e8fa7ff0dc9a32ff71df0e895aa7fb5089fcfa
[12:49]	TR Bot	Git - binutils-gdb.git/commitdiff
[12:49]	wael	I initially was hesitant on the changes Leah made, but to be honest, it seems to make sense
[12:50]	schestowitz[TR]	I saw it last night
[12:50]	schestowitz[TR]	and thought
[12:50]	schestowitz[TR]	she is merging two projects
[12:50]	schestowitz[TR]	osboot
[12:50]	schestowitz[TR]	and libreboot
[12:50]	schestowitz[TR]	which ssounds OK if one is a dead end
[12:50]	wael	It's all libreboot now
[12:50]	wael	But
[12:50]	schestowitz[TR]	oh, a but
[12:50]	wael	There is microcode shipped
[12:51]	wael	Which doesn't comply with RYF/FSDG
[12:51]	schestowitz[TR]	does leah know?
[12:51]	schestowitz[TR]	she used to be in this channel when she was more active
[12:52]	wael	But her arguement makes sense, microcode is quite limited and the fact that it is updateable is why FSF didn't want it in the first place (it still is residing on mask ROM if not updated)
[12:52]	XRevan86	She does, she figured it's worse without microcode.
[12:52]	wael	schestowitz[TR]: She did that change intentionally
[12:52]	XRevan86	Which I agree with.
[12:52]	TR News	The problem is not that it is Russian; the problem is that it's proprietary and "app" https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-russian-software-disguised-american-finds-its-way-into-us-army-cdc-2022-11-14/
[12:52]	TR Bot	Russian software disguised as American finds its way into U.S. Army, CDC apps | Reuters
[12:53]	TR News	When it comes to security, Jim Zemlin is totally a BS artist http://techrights.org/2022/10/12/jim-zemlin-applauding-bill-gates/
[12:53]	TR Bot	 Jim Zemlin Idolises Microsoft and Bill Gates (in New Talk Published This Week), Applauding a Back Doors Company and Jeffrey Epsteins Enabler | Techrights
[12:55]	wael	schestowitz[TR]: https://libreboot.org/news/policy.html
[12:55]	TR Bot	 Libreboot Binary blob minimalisation policy
[12:55]	TR News	Network oligopolies that share some code but never ever respect your freedom; they use this code to spy on people and sell personal data Open Source Networking Hits Tipping Point with Proliferation of Real-World Deployments, Industry Collaborations, and Mature Project Releases
[12:56]	TR News	Network oligopolies that share some code but never ever respect your freedom; they use this code to spy on people and sell personal data https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/open-source-networking-hits-tipping-point-with-proliferation-of-real-world-deployments-industry-collaborations-and-mature-project-releases-301678952.html
[12:56]	TR Bot	 Open Source Networking Hits Tipping Point with Proliferation of Real-World Deployments, Industry Collaborations, and Mature Project Releases
[12:57]	wael	The nice part is that she's pointing out RYF pitfalls (e.g.: ignoring stuff such as EC/disk firmwares)
[12:57]	TR News	"So far, 203 sticker packs have been awarded in the Month of LibreOffice, November 2022. But were only half of the way through so if your name (or username) isnt on the list, join in, help to make LibreOffice even better, and get some cool swag!" https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/11/16/month-of-libreoffice-november-2022-half-way-point/
[12:57]	TR Bot	 Month of LibreOffice, November 2022 Half-way point... - The Document Foundation Blog
[12:57]	TR News	Hardware monitoring sensor nct6798d doesn't work unless acpi_enforce_resource... https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204807
[12:57]	TR Bot	 204807 Hardware monitoring sensor nct6798d doesn't work unless acpi_enforce_resources=lax is enabled
[12:58]	schestowitz[TR]	<wael> The nice part is that she's pointing out RYF pitfalls (e.g.: ignoring stuff such as EC/disk firmwares)
[12:58]	schestowitz[TR]	it is a rabbit hole
[12:59]	schestowitz[TR]	if you dig all the way down to the gates level
[12:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 80.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[12:59]	schestowitz[TR]	and find it's all made by China
[12:59]	schestowitz[TR]	in companies connected to the Chinese gov. and military
[12:59]	wael	Time to go back to AVRs and PICs
[12:59]	schestowitz[TR]	snowden showed the impact of HDD firmware:
[12:59]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe we should do fewer tasks digitally
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[13:00]	schestowitz[TR]	compuiters are funa nd useful
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR]	but don't overuse them
[13:00]	wael	Actually there are efforts for building FOSS firmware for HDDs
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR]	don't turn computers intoa  religion
[13:00]	wael	But also, so long it doesn't have DMA it isn't a big problem
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/11559082/nsa-can-hide-spyware-in-hard-disk-firmware
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.engadget.com/2015-02-16-hard-drive-spyware.html
[13:00]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.wired.com/2015/02/nsa-firmware-hacking/
[13:00]	TR Bot	Can Hide Spyware in Hard-Disk Firmware - Vox
[13:01]	TR Bot	NSA hides surveillance software in hard drives | Engadget
[13:01]	TR Bot	the NSA's Firmware Hacking Works and Why It's So Unsettling | WIRED
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/nsa-hid-spying-software-in-hard-drive-firmware-report-says-1.2959252
[13:01]	TR Bot	 NSA hid spying software in hard drive firmware, report says | CBC News
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	https://thehackernews.com/2015/02/hard-drive-firmware-hacking.html
[13:01]	TR Bot	 NSA Planted Stuxnet-Type Malware Deep Within Hard Drive Firmware
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.kitguru.net/components/hard-drives/jon-martindale/kaspersky-claims-nsa-hid-spyware-in-hdd-firmware/
[13:01]	TR Bot	 Kaspersky claims NSA hid spyware in HDD firmware | KitGuru
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	if you just search for nsa hard drive you don't get the real story
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	you get bill gates' guardian destroying its hard-drive
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	afdter gchq instructed it to
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.wired.com/2013/08/guardian-snowden-files-destroyed/
[13:02]	TR Bot	Ordered Guardian to Destroy Snowden Files Because Its Servers Weren't Secure | WIRED
[13:02]	schestowitz[TR]	https://theintercept.com/2015/08/26/way-gchq-obliterated-guardians-laptops-revealed-intended/
[13:02]	TR Bot	 GCHQ Demonstrated Which Parts of Computers Matter by Destroying Them
[13:02]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.theverge.com/2014/1/31/5364916/guardian-reveals-video-of-officials-destroying-snowden-hard-drives
[13:02]	TR Bot	 Watch The Guardian destroy Snowden hard drives with power tools - The Verge
[13:02]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/11559082/nsa-can-hide-spyware-in-hard-disk-firmware
[13:03]	schestowitz[TR]	" different hard drive brands, including IBM, Seagate, Western Digital ."
[13:03]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.wired.com/2015/02/nsa-firmware-hacking/
[13:03]	schestowitz[TR]	ICBM outsourced to Hitachi at one point
[13:03]	schestowitz[TR]	IIRC
[13:03]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2014/01/26/death-knell-by-nsa/
[13:03]	TR Bot	 IBM Shows That Collaborations With the NSA Are a Companys Death Knell | Techrights
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	many of these URLs are broken now:
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	IBM sued for cooperating with NSA for spy program
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	IBM hid Chinas reaction to NSA spying cos it cost us BILLIONS, rages angry shareholder
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	Pensioners sue IBM over reported NSA involvement
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	IBM faces shareholder lawsuit over cooperation with NSA
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	Lawsuit accuses IBM of hiding China risks amid NSA spy scandal
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	IBM Shareholder Sues the Company Over NSA Cooperation
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	IBM Sued Over China Sales Decline Due to NSA Connection
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	Shareholder Suit Accuses IBM of Concealing a Post-Snowden Backlash in China
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	IBM shareholder sues company over NSA cooperation
[13:04]	wael	>IBM collaborating with the government
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	http://www.zdnet.com/ibm-sued-for-cooperating-with-nsa-for-spy-program-7000024324/    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/13/ibm_lawsuit_nsa_china/   http://www.pcworld.com/article/2080880/pensioners-sue-ibm-over-reported-nsa-involvement.html   http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57615663-92/ibm-faces-shareholder-lawsuit-over-cooperation-with-nsa/
[13:04]	TR Bot	sued for cooperating with NSA for spy program | ZDNET
[13:04]	wael	Paint me shocketh
[13:04]	TR Bot	 IBM hid China's reaction to NSA spying 'cos it cost us BILLIONS, rages angry shareholder The Register
[13:04]	TR Bot	sue IBM over reported NSA involvement | PCWorld
[13:04]	TR Bot	faces shareholder lawsuit over cooperation with NSA - CNET
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	there isa  book
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	"IBM aand the Government"
[13:05]	wael	They are a byproduct of the government
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	"free" market
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	see oracle(r)
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	we create you
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	we control you
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	and failing that,
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	we bail you out
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	if you fail to comply, we WILL replace you
[13:06]	wael	It's a revolving door and a pipeline
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	compliance: http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/     rewards: http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[13:06]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights
[13:06]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[13:06]	wael	Mind you, it's 10x worse if they have offices in israel
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	Israel is a "side lab" for them
[13:07]	wael	The government heavily invests in startups
[13:07]	schestowitz[TR]	Ireland the tax launderer 
[13:07]	wael	Same goes for switzerland
[13:07]	wael	And all the small countries in europe
[13:07]	schestowitz[TR]	"Dear israeli giovernment, I can make this thing that kills Arabs, PLEASE INVEST!"
[13:08]	wael	Joking aside, shit isn't looking too bright here with this new government
[13:08]	wael	That's all I'm gonna say
[13:08]	schestowitz[TR]	(a lot of that investment won't come from the government but from wealthy Jews somewhere like New York)
[13:08]	wael	Nah the government is well-off here
[13:08]	schestowitz[TR]	wael: here as in... uk?
[13:08]	wael	Spending priorities are nuts
[13:08]	wael	here as in israel
[13:08]	schestowitz[TR]	as always
[13:09]	schestowitz[TR]	ah,   yes, israel is a basket case with spndings
[13:09]	wael	army + tech sector before everything else
[13:09]	schestowitz[TR]	someone wrote about this in gemini last week
[13:09]	schestowitz[TR]	hang on
[13:09]	wael	And taxation is getting insane
[13:09]	wael	46% tax on gasoline
[13:09]	wael	Almost 60% tax on cars
[13:10]	wael	At least on the latter one I get it though, cuz people kept buying more cars even in the midst of covid lockdowns
[13:10]	schestowitz[TR]	gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1194
[13:10]	schestowitz[TR]	"Where Does the Money Goes?" [sic]
[13:11]	schestowitz[TR]	lloks like the article was deleted, the page is not empty
[13:11]	wael	Yh odd
[13:12]	wael	TL;DR: Get me outta here (the middle east)
[13:12]	schestowitz[TR]	https://midnight.pub/posts/1194
[13:12]	TR Bot	 
[13:12]	schestowitz[TR]	also http
[13:12]	schestowitz[TR]	techrights has partial copy
[13:12]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/11/12/shufflecake/
[13:12]	TR Bot	 Links 12/11/2022: Shufflecake Unveiled | Techrights
[13:12]	schestowitz[TR]	"When you Live in Israel you come accustomed to life here and to there weirdness Israel is a country with a bankrupt welfare, health and education systems the reason for this is that the money flows to other places the state of Israel is unwilling to supply its citizens with health welfare and education even when there is laws to force the state to give such services and systems to the public the state 
[13:13]	schestowitz[TR]	drys them slowly by sub budgeting them and not funding them this is why Israel public health system is collapsing and the welfare minister is neglected for years by the government and education does not teaches values such as democracy but instead the education is split between secular and religious sectors each one teaches its own values (the secular will push you for math and hi-tech the religious o
[13:13]	schestowitz[TR]	ne will push you find your place among the religious sector and live a religious life funded by the state you wont know English or math but you will know that the state will fund you and your family for life)"
[13:13]	wael	Yep, all caused by netanyahu mostly
[13:13]	wael	And he got voted into government again...
[13:14]	wael	Things were quite different in the early 2000s, a bit more hopeful
[13:14]	schestowitz[TR]	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://midnight.pub/posts/1194
[13:14]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://midnight.pub/posts/1194 )
[13:14]	schestowitz[TR]	no gulag cache, either
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR]	Also deleted 
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR]	https://midnight.pub/posts/1193
[13:15]	TR Bot	 
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR]	https://midnight.pub/~ron77
[13:15]	TR Bot	 
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR]	deleted his own article
[13:15]	MinceR	what about archive.org, archive.is?
[13:15]	wael	Couldn't find it
[13:15]	schestowitz[TR]	in 1984, the news deleted itself ;-
[13:15]	MinceR	:>
[13:15]	MinceR	automatic memory hole
[13:16]	wael	oof
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR]	web archive is long term
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR]	not for things that vanish within a day or feww days
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR]	and we don't know why those vanished
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR]	they outright deleted several other submissions
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR]	you can see from the numbers
[13:19]	schestowitz[TR]	so to put it politely, midnight.pub seems a bit like a censorship site/capsule
[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR]	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://midnight.pub/
[13:20]	TR Bot	 
[13:20]	wael	I mean, censorship has more or less become the norm nowadays - not matter what the reason
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR]	ron77 had like 10 stories there
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR]	now only 2 left
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR]	and blanked out
[13:20]	schestowitz[TR]	see above: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://midnight.pub/
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	"Page Not Found" https://midnight.pub/posts/1197
[13:21]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://midnight.pub/posts/1197 )
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	https://midnight.pub/posts/1196
[13:21]	TR Bot	 
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	irnian OK
[13:21]	schestowitz[TR]	iranian OK, but just not that ron thing
[13:22]	wael	Anyhoo gtg
[13:22]	wael	be around later
[13:22]	schestowitz[TR]	so they censored everythng except the comments
[13:24]	TR News	How to address challenges with community metrics | https://opensource.com/article/22/11/organizational-technical-challenges Source: Open Source Initiative | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//opensource.com/article/22/11/organizational-technical-challenges
[13:24]	TR Bot	to address challenges with community metrics | Opensource.com
[13:24]	TR News	How open source powers innovation | https://opensource.com/article/22/11/open-source-innovation Source: ICBM | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//opensource.com/article/22/11/open-source-innovation
[13:24]	TR Bot	open source powers innovation | Opensource.com
[13:24]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.4.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.4.gmi 
[13:24]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[13:29]	TR News	It's the Inside That Matters gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-11-16-it-s-the-inside-that-matters.gmi
[13:30]	TR News	It's like opendiary (1990s) all over again, but now in gemini gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
[13:31]	TR News	"I have wanted to try EC2 as a game server host for a while and running a 7 Days to Die dedicated server seemed like a great way to test! I've hosted 7 Days to Die servers before but never modded them. I was surprised at how easy it was!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_rzab3-Cn3w
[13:31]	TR Bot	 7 Days To Die A20.6 | Server Mods & Boat House RP Base Tour | Hosted in AWS EC2! - Invidious
[13:32]	TR News	A 15-minute primer on Kubernetes | The Enterprisers Project https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/11/15-minute-primer-kubernetes Source: Enterprisers Project | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/11/15-minute-primer-kubernetes
[13:32]	TR Bot	 A 15-minute primer on Kubernetes | The Enterprisers Project
[13:33]	TR News	New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-11-16 Edition - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-11-16-edition/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-11-16-edition/
[13:33]	TR Bot	 New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-11-16 Edition - Boiling Steam
[13:40]	TR News	39: Tech Bug-Out-Bag - Linux Out Loud - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/linux-out-loud/lol-39/ Source: Tux Digital | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tuxdigital.com/podcasts/linux-out-loud/lol-39/
[13:40]	TR Bot	Tech Bug-Out-Bag - Linux Out Loud - TuxDigital
[13:40]	TR News	YaST Development Report - Chapter 11 of 2022 | YaST https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/2022-11-16/yast-report-2022-11 Source: YaST Team | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yast.opensuse.org/blog/2022-11-16/yast-report-2022-11
[13:40]	TR Bot	 YaST Development Report - Chapter 11 of 2022 | YaST
[13:42]	TR News	The scumb*gs of "DuckDuckGo" (Microsoft proxy) claim to bring "tracking protection" to Android users. What they mean to say is, they bring MICROSOFT SPYWARE to people who do not use Microsoft's Windows http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
[13:42]	TR Bot	 DuckDuckGo - Techrights
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[13:56]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[13:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[13:56]	TR News	 (NEW): Johnnycanencrypt 0.11.0 released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Johnnycanencrypt_0_11_0_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Johnnycanencrypt_0_11_0_released.gmi 
[13:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Johnnycanencrypt 0.11.0 released
[13:57]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos/Shows: Linux Out Loud, 7 Days to Die, and Destination Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Videos_Shows_Linux_Out_Loud_7_Days_to_Die_and_Destination_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Videos_Shows_Linux_Out_Loud_7_Days_to_Die_and_Destination_Linux.gmi 
[13:57]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos/Shows: Linux Out Loud, 7 Days to Die, and Destination Linux
[13:59]	TR News	 (NEW): Gaming News: Native Linux Clients and Heroic Games Launcher http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Gaming_News_Native_Linux_Clients_and_Heroic_Games_Launcher.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Gaming_News_Native_Linux_Clients_and_Heroic_Games_Launcher.gmi 
[13:59]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Gaming News: Native Linux Clients and Heroic Games Launcher
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[14:13]	TR News	Kara Sherrer back to spamming diploma mill garbage of Microsofters (Pluralsight) https://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-pluralsight-courses/ see http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/diploma-mills-in-techrepublic/
[14:13]	TR Bot	Linux with These Pluralsight Courses | TechRepublic
[14:13]	TR Bot	 TechRepublic (ZDNet Sister Site) a Pusher of Diploma Mills, Roping in Linux Today | Techrights
[14:14]	TR News	Red Hat Introduces Latest Versions of Red Hat Enterprise Linux | Business Wire https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20221116005632/en/Red-Hat-Introduces-Latest-Versions-of-Red-Hat-Enterprise-Linux Source: Business Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.businesswire.com/news/home/20221116005632/en/Red-Hat-Introduces-Latest-Versions-of-Red-Hat-Enterprise-Linux
[14:14]	TR Bot	 Red Hat Introduces Latest Versions of Red Hat Enterprise Linux | Business Wire
[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[14:21]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Red Hat: Releases, Kubernetes, OpenShift, and More
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[14:40]	TR News	Steven Vaughan-Nichols has become a paid mouthpiece of 'Linux' Foundation; he's getting that PR money funneled via ZDNet, a partner of Microsoft
[14:43]	TR News	Heck, Windows is broken by default. Replace it with a proper OS, don't try to fix what's perpetually broken. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZoR4MayBu0
[14:43]	TR Bot	https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=jZoR4MayBu0
[14:43]	TR Bot	invidious.snopyta.org | Fix a Corrupted Windows Install - Invidious
[14:44]	TR News	Whats new in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9.1 | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/11/16/whats-new-red-hat-enterprise-linux-91 Source: ICBM | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/11/16/whats-new-red-hat-enterprise-linux-91
[14:44]	TR Bot	 What's new in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9.1 | Red Hat Developer
[14:51]	TR News	 (NEW): MakuluLinux Next Generation Sneak Peak http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/MakuluLinux_Next_Generation_Sneak_Peak.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/MakuluLinux_Next_Generation_Sneak_Peak.gmi 
[14:51]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines MakuluLinux Next Generation Sneak Peak
[14:54]	TR News	"In the next releases, we plan to continue to update BSP parts, as well as the layers, in order to stick as close as possible to the mainline. In addition, we are working to improve CI/CD in order to increase the quality and the tests coverage" https://bootlin.com/blog/updated-yocto-support-for-sifive-risc-v-platforms/
[14:54]	TR Bot	Yocto support for SiFive RISC-V platforms - Bootlin's blog
[14:55]	TR News	Host the best BBQs ever with home automation | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/11/14/host-the-best-bbqs-ever-with-home-automation/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/11/14/host-the-best-bbqs-ever-with-home-automation/
[14:55]	TR Bot	 Host the best BBQs ever with home automation | Arduino Blog
[14:55]	TR News	 (NEW): The Starship Prompt Offers Infinite Possibilities http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/The_Starship_Prompt_Offers_Infinite_Possibilities.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/The_Starship_Prompt_Offers_Infinite_Possibilities.gmi 
[14:55]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The Starship Prompt Offers Infinite Possibilities
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[15:15]	TR News	Get ready for Google Summer of Code 2023 with GNOME! - Felipe Borges https://feborg.es/get-ready-for-gsoc-2023/ Source: Felipe Borges | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//feborg.es/get-ready-for-gsoc-2023/
[15:15]	TR Bot	 Get ready for Google Summer of Code 2023 with GNOME! Felipe Borges
[15:16]	TR News	SpellBinding: UEILQTA Wordo: RAINS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-11-16.gmi
[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[15:24]	TR News	Dungeon Crawling Speed, explained gemini://idiomdrottning.org/dungeon-speed
[15:28]	TR News	And today more puff pieces from 'Linux' Foundation https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/15/Foundation_as_the_Voice_of_Monopolists.shtml
[15:28]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The 'Linux' Foundation as the Voice of Monopolists (UPDATED)
[15:39]	TR News	VMware (proprietary) exploited https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/11/16/cisa-and-fbi-release-advisory-iranian-government-sponsored-apt
[15:39]	TR Bot	 CISA and FBI Release Advisory on Iranian Government-Sponsored APT Actors Compromising Federal Network | CISA
[15:41]	TR News	corbet ('Linux' Foundation) shilling and openwashing Facebook, a top sponsors of 'L'F https://lwn.net/Articles/915104/
[15:41]	TR Bot	Sapling source-code management system [LWN.net]
[15:42]	TR News	server side is proprietary https://lwn.net/Articles/915104/
[15:43]	TR News	 (NEW): GNU lightning 2.2.0 release [Savannah] http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/GNU_lightning_2_2_0_release_Savannah.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/GNU_lightning_2_2_0_release_Savannah.gmi 
[15:43]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNU lightning 2.2.0 release [Savannah]
[15:43]	TR News	Canonical Announces Ubuntu Images Optimized for Intel IoT Platforms https://news.itsfoss.com/canonical-intel-iot/ Source: itsfoss News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.itsfoss.com/canonical-intel-iot/
[15:43]	TR Bot	 Canonical Announces Ubuntu Images Optimized for Intel IoT Platforms
[15:44]	TR News	Steam now easy to install in Ubuntu via SNAP package | UbuntuHandbook https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/11/steam-install-ubuntu-snap/ Source: Ubuntu Handbook | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/11/steam-install-ubuntu-snap/
[15:44]	TR Bot	 Steam now easy to install in Ubuntu via SNAP package | UbuntuHandbook
[15:44]	TR News	Greenwashing BS in dying economy https://www.protocol.com/climate/tech-layoffs-climate-tech-jobs
[15:44]	TR Bot	is hiring engineers right now? - Protocol
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[15:51]	MinceR	(cat) https://www.deviantart.com/furlined/art/Loki-865851203
[15:51]	TR Bot	by FurLined on DeviantArt
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[15:54]	TR News	Musk buys Twitter, Tesla Inc shares fall 20% in one week
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[15:58]	TR News	 (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu: x86, Apt, Snap, and Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 761 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Canonical_Ubuntu_x86_Apt_Snap_and_Ubuntu_Weekly_Newsletter_Issu.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Canonical_Ubuntu_x86_Apt_Snap_and_Ubuntu_Weekly_Newsletter_Issu.gmi 
[15:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu: x86, Apt, Snap, and Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 761
[15:58]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming: Openwashing Facebook, Google Summer of Code, and Proprietary Qt http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Programming_Openwashing_Facebook_Google_Summer_of_Code_and_Prop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Programming_Openwashing_Facebook_Google_Summer_of_Code_and_Prop.gmi 
[15:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming: Openwashing Facebook, Google Summer of Code, and Proprietary Qt
[15:59]	TR News	"This framework was created to accompany the third post in our "Should Algorithms Be Regulated?" series examining the public policy implications of algorithmic decision-making." https://publicknowledge.org/alternative-frameworks-for-algorithmic-accountability/
[15:59]	TR Bot	 Alternative Frameworks for Algorithmic Accountability - Public Knowledge
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[16:00]	TR News	This organisation had the audacity to publish this while having Microsoft inside its Board https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-joins-45-groups-urging-congress-to-rein-in-big-tech-by-passing-popular-bipartisan-antitrust-bills/ They even use Microsoft's lobbying term "Big Tech"
[16:00]	TR Bot	 Public Knowledge Joins 45 Groups Urging Congress To Rein in Big Tech by Passing Popular Bipartisan Antitrust Bills - Public Knowledge
[16:05]	MinceR	https://thecodinglove.com/when-i-became-an-expert-of-a-deprecated-technology
[16:05]	TR Bot	 When I became an expert of a deprecated technology | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes
[16:07]	TR News	"However, their latest model, the GOLE 1 R, is based on Rockchip RK3588 octa-core Arm Cortex-A76/A55 SoC instead and running Android 12 by default." Moving away from Windows https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/11/16/gole-1-r-mini-pc-offers-rockchip-rk3588-cpu-5-5-inch-touchscreen-display/
[16:07]	TR Bot	 GOLE 1 R mini PC offers Rockchip RK3588 CPU, 5.5-inch touchscreen display - CNX Software
[16:07]	TR News	 (NEW): Our 8 Best Looking Linux Distros That Will Have You Staring in Awe http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Our_8_Best_Looking_Linux_Distros_That_Will_Have_You_Staring_in_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Our_8_Best_Looking_Linux_Distros_That_Will_Have_You_Staring_in_.gmi 
[16:07]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Our 8 Best Looking Linux Distros That Will Have You Staring in Awe
[16:08]	TR News	 (NEW): Anbox Cloud 1.16.0 has been released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Anbox_Cloud_1_16_0_has_been_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Anbox_Cloud_1_16_0_has_been_released.gmi 
[16:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Anbox Cloud 1.16.0 has been released
[16:10]	TR News	Build Your Own Mastodon Server on Debian (Step by Step Server Build Guide) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2a9YrLsE45Y | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/2a9YrLsE45Y
[16:10]	TR Bot	 Build Your Own Mastodon Server on Debian (Step by Step Server Build Guide) - Invidious
[16:11]	TR News	"At about 8UTC the koji database server became unresponsive. We have rebooted it, but load is not coming back under control. We are intestigating the loading issues. Until them koji and associated applications (bodhi, etc) will be slow or down." https://status.fedoraproject.org/2022-11-16-koji-db.html
[16:11]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://status.fedoraproject.org/2022-11-16-koji-db.html )
[16:13]	TR News	Apache Kafka service design for low latency and no data loss | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/apache-kafka-service-design-for-low-latency-and-no-data-loss Source: Ubuntu | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntu.com//blog/apache-kafka-service-design-for-low-latency-and-no-data-loss
[16:13]	TR Bot	Kafka service design for low latency and no data loss | Ubuntu
[16:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[16:21]	TR News	Shusain totally lost it!!! ALL posts today are WebSPAM, inc. this one that mentions "LINUX" but is instead LINKSPAM https://linuxtechlab.com/linux-devops-training-course-for-jobs/ RIP, linuxtechlab. You've become a SPAMFARM. Sad because for a while it wasn't so.
[16:21]	TR Bot	DevOps Training Course for Jobs - LinuxTechLab
[16:23]	TR News	 (NEW): Excellent Utilities: Sticky - note-taking app http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Excellent_Utilities_Sticky_note_taking_app.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Excellent_Utilities_Sticky_note_taking_app.gmi 
[16:23]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Excellent Utilities: Sticky - note-taking app
[16:23]	TR News	 (NEW): Linux 6.0.9, 5.15.79, and 5.10.155 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Linux_6_0_9_5_15_79_and_5_10_155.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Linux_6_0_9_5_15_79_and_5_10_155.gmi 
[16:23]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux 6.0.9, 5.15.79, and 5.10.155
[16:24]	TR News	"To go further afield, not all public TLS use is by web browsers. For non-browser use, TrustCor could issue un-logged TLS certificates that would be accepted by TLS using programs, such as malware" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/QuestionableCAsAndCertTrans
[16:24]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/QuestionableCAsAndCertTrans
[16:25]	TR News	"This weeks show kicks off with a discussion of the lawsuit between Arm and Qualcomm amid accusations that Arm is changing its licensing model. We cover what has been said, and what it might mean for the IoT before heading into some industrial news. Arduino has announced a programmable logic controller (PLC) in conjunction with Finder called the Arduino Opta." https://staceyoniot.com/podcast-arduino-opta-adds-a-little-it-to-the-ot
[16:25]	TR Bot	 Podcast: Arduino Opta adds a little IT to the OT - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
[16:26]	TR News	"The first part of the code that I wrote was the SHA-1 hash implementation, since without that (or without being able to do it quickly) there was no point in writing anything else. Perhaps unsurprisingly, there's some prior art here" https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2022/11/meet-your-new-two-factor-authenticator.html
[16:26]	TR Bot	 Old Vintage Computing Research: Meet your new two-factor authenticator: your Commodore 64
[16:27]	TR News	"Mastodon is huge, clunky, and handles like a tank made out of chicken wire, tar, and lobsters. I spoke with a few Mastodon operators, and none of them recommended it." https://mwl.io/archives/22392
[16:27]	TR Bot	 Fediverse Servers, plus mac_portacl on FreeBSD Michael W Lucas
[16:33]	TR News	Twitter's sacking of content moderators raises concerns DW 11/16/2022 https://www.dw.com/en/twitters-sacking-of-content-moderators-will-backfire-experts-warn/a-63778330 Source: WWF | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.dw.com/en/twitters-sacking-of-content-moderators-will-backfire-experts-warn/a-63778330
[16:33]	TR Bot	sacking of content moderators raises concerns DW 11/16/2022
[16:33]	TR News	 (NEW): Linux-centric or Open Hardware: mini PC, Arduino, and SiFive RISC-V http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Linux_centric_or_Open_Hardware_mini_PC_Arduino_and_SiFive_RISC_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Linux_centric_or_Open_Hardware_mini_PC_Arduino_and_SiFive_RISC_.gmi 
[16:33]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux-centric or Open Hardware: mini PC, Arduino, and SiFive RISC-V
[16:34]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Security_Leftivers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Security_Leftivers.gmi 
[16:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
[16:34]	schestowitz[TR]	any topic worthy of coverage in techrights?
[16:34]	schestowitz[TR]	we're low on topics this week
[16:35]	prurigro	nothing here, but that totp c64 project you posted was sweet
[16:35]	schestowitz[TR]	ah, that machine is not my generation
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR]	my neighbour (years my senior) had one
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR]	seems like microsoft blames "china" again
[16:36]	schestowitz[TR]	to deflect from its own failures
[16:37]	schestowitz[TR]	but microsofgt did the same a year ago and we covered it
[16:37]	prurigro	the c64 is what I learned how to use computers on back when I was 3 or so
[16:37]	prurigro	what are they blaming china on?
[16:38]	techuser	drugs, crimes, trolling
[16:38]	prurigro	microsoft is worried about drugs?
[16:39]	techuser	> any topic worthy of coverage in techrights [assumed this is an IRC channel]?
[16:39]	prurigro	ahh haha
[16:39]	schestowitz[TR]	there is an update on SCO vs ICBM
[16:39]	schestowitz[TR]	but it's behind pacer paywall
[16:39]	schestowitz[TR]	and there is very little substance in it
[16:40]	schestowitz[TR]	based on what people saw of it
[16:40]	schestowitz[TR]	the list of attorneys is longer than the update itself
[16:41]	schestowitz[TR]	I'm also not sympathetic towards ICBM
[16:41]	schestowitz[TR]	after what they did to centos, GNU etc.
[16:41]	schestowitz[TR]	SCO is worse
[16:45]	TR News	Links 16/11/2022: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9.1 and GNU Lightning 2.2.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/16/red-hat-enterprise-linux-9-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/16/red-hat-enterprise-linux-9-1/
[16:45]	TR Bot	 Links 16/11/2022: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9.1 and GNU Lightning 2.2.0 | Techrights
[16:45]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi 
[16:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[16:45]	prurigro	ahh is this what you're referring to re: china? https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/15/microsoft-says-china-is-abusing-vulnerability-disclosure-requirements-to-hoard-exploits/
[16:45]	TR Bot	Says China Is Abusing Vulnerability Disclosure Requirements To Hoard Exploits | Techdirt
[16:46]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah, there was more last week
[16:46]	schestowitz[TR]	we covered that in passing
[16:46]	schestowitz[TR]	it is grotesque
[16:47]	schestowitz[TR]	and last year: http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/
[16:47]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights
[16:47]	schestowitz[TR]	<techrights-news> "In infosec today, if you think of Microsoft as anything other than yet another adversary then you've completely misunderstood the problem..." https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/11/13/1343217#1279790
[16:47]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Links Russia's Military to Cyberattacks in Poland and Ukraine - SoylentNews
[16:47]	schestowitz[TR]	last week: http://techrights.org/2022/11/11/shifting-the-blame/
[16:47]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Shifting the Blame to Those Who Discover Microsofts Bug Doors and Exploit Windows Users | Techrights
[16:47]	schestowitz[TR]	the media... repeating the lies
[16:47]	schestowitz[TR]	like an instrument of marketing
[16:48]	schestowitz[TR]	which is what it really became
[16:48]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft as saviour and hero
[16:48]	schestowitz[TR]	and expert
[16:48]	schestowitz[TR]	when it is actually a culprit
[16:48]	schestowitz[TR]	and totally incompetent
[16:49]	TR News	Totally strange nobody covers the red hat 9.1 (rhel) release
[16:50]	psydruid	(western) media are extensions of their governments and reflections of their societies
[16:50]	TR News	Only the press release so far (paid junk) https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20221116005632/en/Red-Hat-Introduces-Latest-Versions-of-Red-Hat-Enterprise-Linux 3 hours and counting, zero takers!
[16:50]	TR Bot	 Red Hat Introduces Latest Versions of Red Hat Enterprise Linux | Business Wire
[16:50]	schestowitz[TR]	yes
[16:51]	schestowitz[TR]	so they use microsoft failure poltiical ends
[16:51]	schestowitz[TR]	also: blame russia for attacks on   poland
[16:51]	schestowitz[TR]	something something cyber
[16:51]	prurigro	yeah it's funny, there are a bunch of china hacking stories in my feed right around the same time as the article I linked (by different publishers)
[16:51]	schestowitz[TR]	war sells. 2 wars sell more.
[16:51]	prurigro	seems the apple epic trial is making progress
[16:51]	schestowitz[TR]	https://news.google.com/search?q=red%20hat%209.1&hl=en-GB&gl=GB&ceid=GB%3Aen
[16:51]	TR Bot	 Google News - Search
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	zero coverafe
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	like RHEL 9.1  does not matter
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	only "CHOOINA" matters
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	I don't use Gulag Noise, but here just to make a point
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	mdia is dying
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	tech media dead already
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	very little left of it
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	and much of what's left posts paid-for linkspam
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	which is a phenomenon best know to the spammers
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	*known
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	ok, need a break, going to the shop
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[16:55]	XRevan86	"also: blame russia for attacks on poland" <- It's fair as long as it's based on the proper facts, i.e. that the incident happened when Ukraine had to use self-defence against Russian cruise missiles that were aiming for electric infrastucture.
[16:55]	TR News	"In this video, I am going to show an overview of Fedora 37 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_rdeiIntfMs
[16:55]	TR Bot	 Fedora 37 overview | Welcome to Freedom. - Invidious
[16:59]	prurigro	techrights is generally ok when they aren't talking about US politics, and I've been liking torrentfreak (it's weird how they've become such a bastion of honest journalism)
[16:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 80.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[16:59]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/visegrad24/status/1592785362123821057 Likely this was the object the Ukrainian missile was protecting.
[16:59]	TR Bot	24 (@visegrad24): "Ukrainian sources confirm that the Dobrotvirska Thermal Power Plant was hit yesterday in a Russian missile strike. The power plant is just a few kilometers across the border from Przewodw, Poland, where 2 civilians were killed by a missile."|nitter.it
[16:59]	TR News	Copy-Protection Schemes: Weird Formats, Wacky Encryption Tactics https://tedium.co/2022/11/16/copy-protection-scheme-history/ Source: Tedium | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/11/16/copy-protection-scheme-history/
[16:59]	TR Bot	 Copy-Protection Schemes: Weird Formats, Wacky Encryption Tactics
[16:59]	prurigro	phoronix too
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[17:02]	TR News	 (NEW): Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 beta 5 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Godot_Engine_Dev_snapshot_Godot_4_0_beta_5.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Godot_Engine_Dev_snapshot_Godot_4_0_beta_5.gmi 
[17:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 beta 5
[17:02]	schestowitz[TR]	WE TRY NOT TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS
[17:02]	schestowitz[TR]	sorry
[17:02]	schestowitz[TR]	caps by accident
[17:02]	starstreak	caps lock is cruise control for cool
[17:03]	MinceR	https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/09/12/todd-wonderman
[17:03]	TR Bot	 Todd Wonderman - Penny Arcade
[17:03]	MinceR	EVEN WITH CRUISE CONTROL YOU STILL HAVE TO STEER
[17:03]	XRevan86	THERE IS A CHANNEL FOR POLITICS AT #techpol
[17:03]	MinceR	I COULDN'T HEAR THE CHANNEL NAME
[17:03]	MinceR	COULD YOU REPEAT IT LOUDER?
[17:04]	psydruid	YOU MEAN #TECHPOL, RIGHT??
[17:04]	XRevan86	https://youtu.be/Qd-oBouCd3s
[17:04]	TR Bot	https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=Qd-oBouCd3s
[17:04]	TR Bot	not resolve host: invidious.osi.kr; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=Qd-oBouCd3s )
[17:05]	MinceR	THANKS!
[17:05]	prurigro	lmao
[17:05]	TR News	Fedora 37 looks like Day of the Tentacle. How could they have missed it? Unless it's intentional...
[17:06]	TR News	 (NEW): Fedora 37 overview | Welcome to Freedom. http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Fedora_37_overview_Welcome_to_Freedom.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Fedora_37_overview_Welcome_to_Freedom.gmi 
[17:06]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Fedora 37 overview | Welcome to Freedom.
[17:11]	TR News	 (NEW): Use Upscaler to Enhance Low-Res Images with AI on Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Use_Upscaler_to_Enhance_Low_Res_Images_with_AI_on_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Use_Upscaler_to_Enhance_Low_Res_Images_with_AI_on_Linux.gmi 
[17:11]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Use Upscaler to Enhance Low-Res Images with AI on Linux
[17:12]	TR News	Stop normalizing Musk (and why 'work harder' isn't going to do it for Twitter): Dissociated Press https://dissociatedpress.net/2022/11/16/stop-normalizing-musk-and-why-work-harder-isnt-going-to-do-it-for-twitter/ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//dissociatedpress.net/2022/11/16/stop-normalizing-musk-and-why-work-harder-isnt-going-to-do-it-for-twitter/
[17:12]	TR Bot	 Stop normalizing Musk (and why work harder isnt going to do it for Twitter): Dissociated Press
[17:13]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Android_Leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Android_Leftovers.2.gmi 
[17:13]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[17:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[17:20]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/22111128
[17:20]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/49g95ujtz1z91.jpg created on 2022-11-11 09:33:44.131767
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[17:45]	TR News	Microsoft mouthpiece BetaNews is again helping Microsoft googlebomb "LINUX" with another FAKE "milestone" (superficial and meaningless): "Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) hits version 1.0.0." And next week 2.0? And then WSL 10? Come on, enough with this SPAM.
[17:45]	TR News	"Mozilla has released security updatesto address vulnerabilities in Thunderbird, Firefox ESR, and Firefox. An attacker could exploit these vulnerabilities to cause user confusion or conduct spoofing attacks." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/11/16/mozilla-releases-security-updates-multiple-products
[17:45]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Releases Security Updatesfor Multiple Products | CISA
[17:47]	TR News	Yesterday I did the Red Hat EX374 exam, which allows becoming Red Hat Certified Specialist in Developing Automation with Ansible Automation Platform." https://fale.io/blog/2022/11/16/red-hat-ex374-exam
[17:47]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[17:49]	TR News	Kodi 20 Nexus' hits a huge stability milestone and is available to download now https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/15/Kodi_Nexus_Beta_1.shtml
[17:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kodi "Nexus" Beta 1 (UPDATED)
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[17:50]	techuser	hi
[17:50]	souseksi	Hello.
[17:51]	TR News	EasyShare needs some TLC https://bkhome.org/news/202211/easyshare-needs-some-tlc.html Source: Barry Kauler | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bkhome.org/news/202211/easyshare-needs-some-tlc.html
[17:51]	TR Bot	 EasyShare needs some TLC
[17:51]	TR News	Perl module libnet-ident-perl added to OE https://bkhome.org/news/202211/perl-module-libnet-ident-perl-added-to-oe.html Source: Barry Kauler | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bkhome.org/news/202211/perl-module-libnet-ident-perl-added-to-oe.html
[17:51]	TR Bot	 Perl module libnet-ident-perl added to OE
[17:53]	schestowitz[TR]	hi, souseksi 
[17:53]	souseksi	 Hi.
● Nov 16
[18:16]		*reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@nn58qcu3qngy2.irc) has joined #techrights
[18:17]	souseksi	reptilian_thrills: hello.
[18:17]	reptilian_thrills	hi
[18:18]	souseksi	How Are You?
[18:18]	reptilian_thrills	its complicated
[18:18]	reptilian_thrills	how are you?
[18:18]	souseksi	Not bad.
[18:18]	souseksi	I'm going to make tea.
[18:19]	reptilian_thrills	tea is good
[18:19]	reptilian_thrills	honest tea is hardly ever heard
[18:19]	souseksi	I like tea too.
[18:19]	souseksi	I like tea very much. 
[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:21]	souseksi	reptilian_thrills: what do you mean talking about 'honest tea'?
[18:21]	reptilian_thrills	its a line from a song
[18:21]		*psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights
[18:21]	reptilian_thrills	by billy joel
[18:24]	souseksi	Thank you for explanation. I never heard this song.
[18:24]	AdmFubar1	https://www.alternet.org/2022/11/former-twitter-vp-urges-companies-pull-advertising-from-platform-amid-elon-musks-toxic-takeover/
[18:24]	TR Bot	Twitter VP urges companies pull advertising from platform citing Elon Musks 'toxic takeover' - Alternet.org
[18:24]	reptilian_thrills	its an old song, probably only a radio hit in certain places
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[18:28]	souseksi	psydruid: Hi.
[18:28]	TR News	Linux Foundation Became an Instrument of Microsoft and Proprietary Software Openwashing | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/16/lf-openwashing-services-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/16/lf-openwashing-services-microsoft/
[18:28]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Became an Instrument of Microsoft and Proprietary Software Openwashing | Techrights
[18:29]	TR News	 (NEW): Barry Kauler's Work on EasyShare http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Barry_Kauler_s_Work_on_EasyShare.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Barry_Kauler_s_Work_on_EasyShare.gmi 
[18:29]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Barry Kauler's Work on EasyShare
[18:30]	TR News	Microsoft seems to have injected data into statcounter tp warp statistics, just like it did to netcraft via godaddy
[18:39]	XRevan86	https://thetruestory.news/en/stories/6d77616d-65aa-11ed-8373-531944c53eeb
[18:39]	TR Bot	 Tesla investors worried as Elon Musk 'works and sleeps' at Twitter HQ True Story
[18:40]	reptilian_thrills	stories/6d77616d-65aa-11ed-8373-531944c53eeb <- aww, its encrypted
[18:40]	XRevan86	It's an UUID.
[18:40]	reptilian_thrills	/me taps randomly at keyboard
[18:40]	reptilian_thrills	im in!
[18:42]		*XRevan86 hackermans the shit out of it: it's a Type 1 UUID.
[18:42]	reptilian_thrills	we dont have time for this
[18:43]	reptilian_thrills	put your best botnet on it right away
[18:43]	reptilian_thrills	we need to access the mainframe
[18:43]	reptilian_thrills	they were such fools to put everything in the clown
[18:44]	reptilian_thrills	/me stubs out an imaginary cigarette
[18:45]	XRevan86	My bots are dying one by one, they're mortally afraid of the clowns.
[18:46]	reptilian_thrills	uptate their firewalls
[18:46]	reptilian_thrills	/me looks up uptate
[18:46]	reptilian_thrills	its no good, the word doesnt exist. release the network virus!
[18:46]	TR News	This Months Linux Foundation Event (Linux Foundation Member Summit 2022) Sponsored by the Company That Attacks Linux | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/16/microsoft-is-gold-to-linux-foundation/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/16/microsoft-is-gold-to-linux-foundation/
[18:47]	TR Bot	 This Months Linux Foundation Event (Linux Foundation Member Summit 2022) Sponsored by the Company That Attacks Linux | Techrights
[18:48]	reptilian_thrills	if all else fails, set the control panels to self-destruct
[18:48]	reptilian_thrills	that gets them every time
[18:48]	reptilian_thrills	or just install openbsd on the keyboards like starstreak did
[18:48]	XRevan86	These are Star Trek control panel, they are always in self-destruct mode.
[18:49]	reptilian_thrills	the funny thing about that is, they were away ahead of their time
[18:49]	reptilian_thrills	the usaf when they abandon a critical aircraft, are supposed to smash the panels and pour acid on them to prevent recovery
[18:50]	reptilian_thrills	hopefully they practice train with bottles of water on dummy panels or something
[18:50]	reptilian_thrills	even if youre in a hurry, splashing heavily corrosive acid around isnt going to make your day any better
[18:51]	AdmFubar1	now they just use windows, it self destructs on its own
[18:51]	reptilian_thrills	you wouldnt just want to slosh buckets of it over stuff like some kind of bikini car wash
[18:52]	reptilian_thrills	so panels that self destruct are actually kind of useful, if theyre important enough
[18:52]	AdmFubar1	if you do it gives you a brazilian that you won't forget
[18:52]	reptilian_thrills	until they overload of course
[18:52]	reptilian_thrills	thats one of the downsides
[18:53]	reptilian_thrills	one of the challenges musk must face now, is disabling the cardassian security codes left in place by dorsey
[18:53]	reptilian_thrills	roy could be right about twitter after all, if those protocols engage
[18:54]	AdmFubar1	https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint/ukraine-it-army-stops-1300-cyberattacks-war
[18:54]	TR Bot	 Ukraine's 'IT Army' Stops 1,300 Cyberattacks in 8 Months of War
[18:54]	reptilian_thrills	the codes were never broken, not even by a joint team from the nsa and udhr
[18:55]	reptilian_thrills	but they didnt have a cluster of teslas with state of the art ai
[18:55]	reptilian_thrills	now we learn the real purpose of tesla and spacex
[18:55]	reptilian_thrills	its not to make a jetblue but for space
[18:56]	reptilian_thrills	its to create a botnet of mobile ai units connected to a spacecraft to birth a computerised space baby
[18:57]	MinceR	lol @ udhr
[18:57]	reptilian_thrills	after the teslas all network together, they will beam the intelligence to the spacex craft and take artificial intelligence to the martian outpost
[18:58]	reptilian_thrills	then the construction of a race of intelligent robots will begin on the red planet
[18:58]	reptilian_thrills	all controlled by the spacex intelligence
[18:59]	reptilian_thrills	eventually roy will figure out how twitter fits into all this-- other than a test bed for teslas cracking abilities
[18:59]	reptilian_thrills	but hes kind of slow to see the big picture
[18:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 80.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Nov 16
[19:01]	MinceR	https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/09/14/afterburner
[19:01]	TR Bot	 Afterburner - Penny Arcade
[19:02]	AdmFubar1	https://grokthelaw.freeforums.net/thread/390/xinuos-deja-all-over-again
[19:02]	TR Bot	 Xinuos - It's deja vu all over again | GroktheLaw
[19:02]	reptilian_thrills	we are witnessing the dawn of a new sentient lifeform
[19:02]	reptilian_thrills	and musk will be its daddy
[19:04]	reptilian_thrills	roy talks about population growth and poses as the environmentalist, but really hes just against the concept of parents, not offspring
[19:05]	reptilian_thrills	he doesnt want musk to be a father
[19:05]	reptilian_thrills	in fairness, i dont think musk would make a good role model for a race of ai
[19:06]	reptilian_thrills	but they will adapt
[19:06]	reptilian_thrills	with luck they will mature into well adjusted silicon adults, work for a few years, then retire to work on blogging full time
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[19:07]	prurigro	doesn't musk have like 15 kids?
[19:08]	reptilian_thrills	<prurigro> doesn't musk have like 15 kids? <- i honestly dont know much about him
[19:08]	prurigro	(I'm exaggerating slightly)
[19:08]	reptilian_thrills	hes shrouded in mystery!
[19:08]	prurigro	looks like he had 10 kids as of july
[19:08]	reptilian_thrills	theyre probably paid actors
[19:08]	reptilian_thrills	looks like he had 10 kids as of july <- that poor woman
[19:08]	prurigro	I think they might mostly be with different women
[19:09]	prurigro	grimes has one for example
[19:09]	prurigro	the attack fighter one
[19:09]	reptilian_thrills	no, he didnt have one with grimes, did he?
[19:09]	prurigro	he did
[19:09]	reptilian_thrills	good lord, hes jeffery... 
[19:09]	mjg59_	He had two, at least one of which was a surrogacy
[19:09]	reptilian_thrills	epstein wanted to have like 10,000 kids
[19:09]	prurigro	its name was symbols
[19:09]	reptilian_thrills	because billionaires have superior dna and all :/
[19:10]	mjg59_	And then had twins with one of the leads at Neuralink
[19:10]	prurigro	X A-12
[19:10]	reptilian_thrills	its name was symbols <- i mean the father of modern ai names his kids in apl, of course
[19:10]	prurigro	^^ (the kid's name)
[19:10]	prurigro	mjg59_: that doesn't sound like a conflict of interest haha
[19:10]	reptilian_thrills	im sure if kids at school try to beat him up, theyll be descended on by vtol transfomers
[19:11]	reptilian_thrills	honestly roy should just ditch techrights and write about musk full time
[19:11]	reptilian_thrills	this is great shit
[19:12]	reptilian_thrills	as usual i try to make something up and the real world is even crazier
[19:12]	reptilian_thrills	this is why i dont write fiction (also ive agreed not to)
[19:13]	prurigro	gossip magazines usually seem to focus on 10 or 15 famous people, include musk, his kids and their mothers and there'd be an endless supply of stuff to write about
[19:14]	prurigro	iirc musk's personal philosophy includes what's essentially the opposite of what the voluntary human extinction movement is going for
[19:15]	reptilian_thrills	gossip magazines usually seem to focus on 10 or 15 famous people, include musk, his kids and their mothers and there'd be an endless supply of stuff to write about <- techrights is a gossip magazine but it focuses on villains in the tech world, including mjg
[19:15]	TR News	Jim FTX Zemlin: My Wife Who is a Successful Technology Executive and Harvard MBA [and Fraudster Facing Class Action Lawsuit for Securities Fraud] Really Had an Obvious Look of Disappointment... When I Told Her I Worked at a Non-Profit [sic] | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/16/jim-ftx-zemlin/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/16/jim-ftx-zemlin/
[19:15]	TR Bot	 Jim FTX Zemlin: My Wife Who is a Successful Technology Executive and Harvard MBA [and Fraudster Facing Class Action Lawsuit for Securities Fraud] Really Had an Obvious Look of Disappointment When I Told Her I Worked at a Non-Profit [sic] | Techrights
[19:15]	prurigro	it seems like everyone's a villain these days
[19:15]	reptilian_thrills	last week there were five articles about how mjg has a hairless cat, which he pets in his underground lair
[19:15]	reptilian_thrills	it seems like everyone's a villain these days <- theres some truth to that, albeit a half truth
[19:16]	reptilian_thrills	if we go for complete truth there are still villains, but the gossip is less juicy and people get bored with it
[19:16]	reptilian_thrills	they dont care about villains, they care about bread and circuses
[19:16]	reptilian_thrills	of course the circus has villains, so its win-win
[19:17]	reptilian_thrills	the villains have bread
[19:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[19:21]	prurigro	painting people in a bad light definitely gets more clicks
[19:21]	reptilian_thrills	techrights plays a game with mjg that i think is irresponsible
[19:21]	reptilian_thrills	and strategically inane
[19:21]	reptilian_thrills	it reduces the coup to one person-- whether intentionally or otherwise
[19:21]	prurigro	I'm trying to think of a news source that doesn't
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[19:22]	souseksi	starstreak, hello.
[19:22]	reptilian_thrills	because that makes the whole crusade bite-sized and easy to comprehend (or manufacture, or whatever)
[19:22]	prurigro	I don't know much about mjg aside from that I've agreed with a few of his blog posts. I know some people who really seem to hate him, though not like lennart-level hate
[19:22]	MinceR	are there many news sources that care about free software 9/11 at all?
[19:22]	reptilian_thrills	well mjg hasnt tried to foist his software on us like lennart gleefully has
[19:22]	reptilian_thrills	or like people have through NO FAULT OF LENNARTS AT ALL
[19:23]	reptilian_thrills	lennart wasnt even the original author of it
[19:23]	MinceR	mjg instead helps MICROS~1 foist their malware on us
[19:23]	prurigro	of systemd?
[19:23]	reptilian_thrills	but the same is true of microsoft and linux
[19:23]	reptilian_thrills	of systemd? <- from his own blog
[19:23]	reptilian_thrills	mjg instead helps MICROS~1 foist their malware on us <- valid
[19:23]	reptilian_thrills	i was waiting for that
[19:24]		*reptilian_thighs is now known as elusive_woman
[19:24]	reptilian_thrills	but that results in more people hating microsoft
[19:24]	reptilian_thrills	reptilian_thighs: 11/16/22 19:24 >< NICK (elusive_woman): 
[19:24]	reptilian_thrills	lol
[19:24]	reptilian_thrills	thats not me
[19:25]	elusive_woman	obviously
[19:25]	prurigro	looking at garrett's wikipedia page- is it his work on secure boot compatibility?
[19:25]	MinceR	that's what part of it allegedly was
[19:26]	mjg59_	Yeah, the argument is that if I hadn't done that work then something something antitrust and nobody has to deal with secure boot
[19:26]	MinceR	including enforcing rules MICROS~1 actually doesn't enforce
[19:26]	schestowitz[TR]	wikipedia=-ads
[19:27]	reptilian_thrills	the problem with treating mjg as a proxy for the coup is
[19:27]	reptilian_thrills	1. we dont actually know hes the leader. if hes not, then it helps hide the leader
[19:27]	reptilian_thrills	2. it helps get the rest of the coup off the hook. this is the worst part 
[19:28]	reptilian_thrills	3. its bullshit, and we have enough of that on our plates already
[19:28]	reptilian_thrills	this doesnt seem terribly defensive of mjg
[19:28]	reptilian_thrills	but it does make it way cheaper to go after the coup. its just one little irish guy!
[19:29]	reptilian_thrills	so if we just destroy one little irish guy with bullshit, the coup is vanquished and free software is victorious
[19:29]	reptilian_thrills	you can all thank roy for saving the world later
[19:29]	reptilian_thrills	of course the plan all falls apart when the dragon isnt slain
[19:30]	reptilian_thrills	but that only means hes very stroppy and we should sympathise with the brave and tireless knight
[19:31]	mjg59_	Eh it's fine he's also spending his time elevating transphobes and people who are convinced Debian's a conspiracy to force people to kill themselves
[19:31]	mjg59_	I don't feel especially singled out here
[19:31]	reptilian_thrills	and people who are convinced Debian's a conspiracy to force people to kill themselves <- i wouldnt say that
[19:32]	TR News	Announcing the Collaborative Directory of Geminispace gemini://gemini.thegonz.net/glog/220914-collaborativeDirectoryOfGeminispace.gmi
[19:32]	reptilian_thrills	the point is that debian exploits people and that suicide is a byproduct-- even foxconn isnt "a conspiracy to force people to kill themselves"
[19:32]	reptilian_thrills	but its similar, if debian exploits people like that
[19:33]	reptilian_thrills	he's also spending his time elevating transphobes <- i dont think techrights elevates anyone at all
[19:33]	reptilian_thrills	with one exception
[19:33]	prurigro	debian is a conspiracy to force people to kill themselves?
[19:33]	reptilian_thrills	debian is a conspiracy to force people to kill themselves? <- thats one way of putting it
[19:33]	reptilian_thrills	i wouldnt put it that way
[19:34]	reptilian_thrills	thats really the way mjg is interpreting what daniel pocock is interpreting
[19:34]	prurigro	what's the basis?
[19:34]	reptilian_thrills	dead people who volunteered for debian, and debian treating them poorly
[19:34]	prurigro	lol
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	lol <- i wouldnt put it that way either
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	they really are dead
[19:35]	MinceR	> force people to kill themselves
[19:35]	MinceR	[citation needed]
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	the premise is debians poor treatment pushed them over the edge
[19:35]	TR News	"As an aside, they wonder why the tourist industry collapsed here, but for the cost of a one-way flight to the island from the UK, I could've got a return flight to the other end of Europe." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1204
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	 <MinceR> [citation needed] <- usually he quotes the mailing list
[19:35]	prurigro	oh, I'm mostly just loling at the idea that correlation implies causation
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	correlation implies causation <- obviously thats a fallacy
[19:36]	MinceR	maybe he doesn't know what forcing means
[19:36]	reptilian_thrills	but by the time they do find causation, there usually is correlation. the problem is that correlation doesnt narrow things down 
[19:36]	prurigro	it seems like mjg was critical of wikileaks
[19:36]	mjg59_	reptilian_thrills: He draws zero links between people being dead and Debian having treated them poorly
[19:36]	prurigro	because it wasn't a wiki
[19:36]	reptilian_thrills	so i mean, if britney spears was playing when someone got stabbed to death, how do we know (based on correlation) that it was the knife that did it, and NOT the song?
[19:37]	reptilian_thrills	<mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: He draws zero links between people being dead and Debian having treated them poorly <- i woudlnt go that far
[19:37]	mjg59_	prurigro: Oh no that was just a cheap dunk I'm critical of them because they turned into an ego tool for a rapist
[19:37]	reptilian_thrills	he clearly tries to draw exactly those links
[19:37]	MinceR	obviously, in that case, britney spears forced someone to stab someone to death
[19:37]	reptilian_thrills	because they turned into an ego tool for a rapist <- appelbaum?
[19:37]	mjg59_	reptilian_thrills: He implies it, but knowing the people he's talking about I was unaware of them being especially unhappy about their interactions with Debian
[19:37]	mjg59_	reptilian_thrills: Oh well him too
[19:38]	MinceR	mjg59_: maybe you should upgrade to dunks that are a bit more expensive, so that they make some sense
[19:39]	reptilian_thrills	I was unaware of them being especially unhappy about their interactions with Debian <- fair enough, though when people are being exploited its a known fact that they OFTEN say nothing about it
[19:40]	prurigro	mjg59_: ahh, I thought the rape charges were dropped once the US got its snares in, and that it was only rape because of a technicality of swedish law? and wasn't at least one of the two women he had sex with part of a three letter agency in the US? I ask all this realizing that it's possible I'm just misinformed 
[19:40]	reptilian_thrills	which of course is one of the reasons that people take ages to bring up rape accusations
[19:40]	schestowitz[TR]	there were nbever rape charges
[19:40]	schestowitz[TR]	against anyone associated with wikileaks
[19:40]	schestowitz[TR]	only the FBI mole who worked against it
[19:40]	schestowitz[TR]	raping a minor
[19:40]	schestowitz[TR]	siggi
[19:41]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigurdur_Thordarson
[19:41]	TR Bot	 Sigurdur Thordarson - Wikipedia
[19:41]	schestowitz[TR]	warning: wikipedia is politically manipulated
[19:41]	reptilian_thrills	what isnt?
[19:41]	schestowitz[TR]	lots
[19:41]	reptilian_thrills	really...
[19:41]	schestowitz[TR]	esp. when it gains traction
[19:41]	MinceR	lots of matter that humans can't access
[19:41]	schestowitz[TR]	and then gets the attention of well-funded interests with PR slush funds
[19:42]	reptilian_thrills	we should stop funding slush
[19:42]	MinceR	yeah, i prefer snow
[19:42]	reptilian_thrills	#defundtheslush
[19:43]	reptilian_thrills	snow is a hell of a drag
[19:43]	schestowitz[TR]	slush.
[19:43]	schestowitz[TR]	slashdot
[19:43]	mjg59_	prurigro: The "technicality of swedish law" is that if someone tells you they can have sex with you if you wear a condom and then while they're asleep you penetrate them without a condom, it's classified as rape
[19:43]	prurigro	mjg59_: for the record, I appreciate that you gave us linux users the option to interface with secure boot. I don't like how microsoft implemented it, but I doubt you had any hand in that end of things
[19:43]	MinceR	mjg59_: what does this have to do with extradition?
[19:44]	mjg59_	MinceR: Nothing?
[19:44]	schestowitz[TR]	why did the topic of the channel change?
[19:44]	prurigro	mjg59_: ahh, the articles at the time made it sound like they were awake and just didn't realize he wasn't wearing a condom, or something- I feel like sex with someone sleeping is rape pretty much anywhere
[19:44]	MinceR	that was my impression as well
[19:44]	mjg59_	prurigro asked a question, I answered it
[19:44]	mjg59_	prurigro: That was the other case
[19:44]	schestowitz[TR]	<MinceR> including enforcing rules MICROS~1 actually doesn't enforce
[19:44]	schestowitz[TR]	back on topic, this is an attack on general-purpose computing
[19:45]	prurigro	ahh, I didn't realize there was more than one
[19:45]	schestowitz[TR]	and it was facilitated by Microsoft's "hands"
[19:45]	schestowitz[TR]	and we know who that was
[19:46]	reptilian_thrills	all conspiracies lead to mjg
[19:46]	reptilian_thrills	/me knows mjg had SOMETHING to do with deepwater horizon, just not sure WHAT
[19:46]	prurigro	I'm OK with secure boot so long as I can turn it off
[19:46]	prurigro	if I can't turn it off, general purpose computing has been attacked
[19:46]	schestowitz[TR]	youy won't be able to
[19:46]	schestowitz[TR]	on some laptops, you already cannoit
[19:46]	prurigro	but that's not mjg's fault
[19:46]	schestowitz[TR]	and this was predictable
[19:47]	schestowitz[TR]	I said it over a decade ago
[19:47]	reptilian_thrills	youy won't be able to <- i worry about this too, but how long have we worried about that?
[19:47]	reptilian_thrills	its a potential threat
[19:47]	mjg59_	A decade
[19:47]	mjg59_	It still hasn't happened
[19:47]	reptilian_thrills	but it has been for some time now
[19:47]	schestowitz[TR]	it's his fault that antitrust efforts were thwarted
[19:47]	schestowitz[TR]	he helped microsoft
[19:47]	schestowitz[TR]	he helped them get away with criminal behaviour
[19:47]	reptilian_thrills	 It still hasn't happened <- i dont know if thats because we complained
[19:47]	schestowitz[TR]	like boosters of OOXML did
[19:47]	schestowitz[TR]	inc. Novell
[19:47]	reptilian_thrills	by my general impression is they dont give a shit about that
[19:47]	MinceR	for now, MICROS~1 is mostly content with making competing OS-es unavailable to untrained users
[19:47]	mjg59_	reptilian_thrills: Not impossible! The user should always have ultimate control, which is a point I've made repeatedly
[19:47]	MinceR	they tried to make Restricted Boot mandatory on x86, but suffered backlash
[19:48]	MinceR	of course people like mjg59_ would have you think they changed mind out of pure goodness of will
[19:48]	reptilian_thrills	The user should always have ultimate control, which is a point I've made repeatedly <- i can debunk this, but you could also be telling the truth
[19:48]	reptilian_thrills	but its possible youre not
[19:48]	psydruid	hi souseksi
[19:49]	reptilian_thrills	of course people like mjg59_ would have you think they changed mind out of pure goodness of will <- im not sure mjg believes in pure goodness of will
[19:49]	reptilian_thrills	most of his arguments strike me as utilitarian
[19:49]	reptilian_thrills	even the positive ones
[19:49]	souseksi	psydruid: how are you?
[19:49]	MinceR	they tried to make you have to delete a key instead of changing a switch in BIOS setup to let you boot an OS of your choice, i'm not sure what happened to that
[19:50]	MinceR	but they did set up ShitLocker so it trashes your data if you change a related setting
[19:50]	prurigro	schestowitz[TR]: the headlines made it sound like secure boot couldn't be disabled, but didn't it turn out that microsoft just disabled cross signed keys that prevented fedora's signed boot from working? and that you can still disable secure boot/add your own keys if you're willing to go into the bios?
[19:50]	MinceR	but i'm sure that's only for your own good, not because they're trying to lock competitors out of the market
[19:50]	prurigro	(I'm not saying I agree with what happened there, but it wasn't quite as bad as initilaly implied, unless I misunderstood)
[19:50]	mjg59_	Yeah the entire point of automated unlocking of the disk is that you need to ensure that you're running trustworthy code before you unlock it, otherwise someone just replaces your bootloader and has your data
[19:51]	MinceR	it's an overcomplicated mess that changes from year to year
[19:51]	psydruid	souseksi, I'm all-right, thanks. How are you?
[19:51]	MinceR	and accumulates new bugs every time it changes
[19:51]	MinceR	i hope they manage to lock themselves out, too
[19:51]	souseksi	psydruid: not bad. I'm glad You're okay.
[19:51]	MinceR	maybe this species of idiots will finally learn something from that
[19:52]	reptilian_thrills	it's an overcomplicated mess that changes from year to year <- this is the impression i get too
[19:52]	prurigro	mjg59_: in that respect the idea of using secure boot is pretty attractive, especially on a laptop-- it's a shame it's such a pain to get stuff signed and add your own keys. I suppose it's probably only easy on android because signing has been added to the build process
[19:52]	reptilian_thrills	again and again i compare anti-features to election fraud (disenfranchised voters)
[19:53]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Google_Met_WikiLeaks
[19:53]	TR Bot	 Julian Assange - Wikipedia
[19:53]	MinceR	intHell already killed off "legacy" boot so users don't have an easier way around of this catastrophe
[19:53]	reptilian_thrills	you dont have to make it impossible for black people to vote to fuck with an election
[19:53]	reptilian_thrills	you only have to make it far more trouble for some people than others
[19:53]	reptilian_thrills	then you change the results
[19:53]	AdmFubar1	https://reclaimthenet.org/disney-plus-demands-users-age-and-gender/
[19:53]	TR Bot	 Disney Plus demands users' age and gender so it can "deliver targeted advertising" as ads launch approaches
[19:53]	reptilian_thrills	this is how the industry fucks with people too
[19:53]	schestowitz[TR]	wikileaks seems to have eliminated the entry
[19:53]	schestowitz[TR]	good for google
[19:53]	reptilian_thrills	drm doesnt stop copying
[19:53]	schestowitz[TR]	*wikipedia I mean
[19:53]	MinceR	prurigro: what happens if someone installs a hardware keylogger in your laptop when you're not looking and recovers your FDE passphrase with it?
[19:53]	schestowitz[TR]	they separate and fold sections
[19:53]	schestowitz[TR]	to suit some agenda
[19:54]	schestowitz[TR]	like separate page for "criticism of X"
[19:54]	MinceR	MICROS~1 munchkins apparently believe their gods have found the solution to physical access problems
[19:54]	MinceR	they haven't.
[19:54]	prurigro	MinceR: or has a camera in the ceiling watching me type it
[19:54]	mjg59_	MinceR: Well, they can't if the key is in the TPM
[19:54]	MinceR	mjg59_: how do you type the passphrase in?
[19:54]	mjg59_	You don't need to
[19:55]	MinceR	how does your laptop know you're trying to boot it and not someone else?
[19:55]	mjg59_	It doesn't
[19:55]	mjg59_	It boots and then you're left at a login screen
[19:55]	MinceR	if only you could remove the TPM and keep it on your person
[19:55]	MinceR	you could call it a "smart card"
[19:55]	mjg59_	Bitlocker does, in fact, support keeping the key on removable credentials
[19:56]	MinceR	yeah, but that wasn't sufficient for the purposes of lock-in
[19:56]	MinceR	so that's not what most of us got
[19:56]	mjg59_	Most hardware doesn't ship with a smartcard reader
[19:56]	mjg59_	So it wouldn't be a terribly effective default
[19:56]	MinceR	most hardware also didn't ship with a TPM until MICROS~1 forced them to
[19:56]	mjg59_	If you don't like the default Bitlocker policy, you can change it
[19:56]	schestowitz[TR]	security and lockdown are not the same; they are often opposites
[19:57]	MinceR	and most PC-s were general purpose computers until MICROS~1 and intHell forced all this crap on the industry
[19:57]	schestowitz[TR]	lockdown can lock you out from your own machine i.e. it's a major security threat to you
[19:57]	reptilian_thrills	Most hardware doesn't ship with a smartcard reader <- if you include phones most computers probably do
[19:57]	mjg59_	But the default policy is one that makes sense for a bunch of use cases
[19:57]	MinceR	presumably mjg59_ also hasn't heard of physical attacks against the TPM
[19:57]	prurigro	it isn't lock out so long as you can provide your own keys
[19:57]	mjg59_	reptilian_thrills: Yeah in theory you can do it over NFC
[19:57]	schestowitz[TR]	Bitlocker is a joke and a fake
[19:57]	schestowitz[TR]	it's fro fools
[19:57]	MinceR	and you can provide your own keys if you know how the magic works this week
[19:57]	schestowitz[TR]	or fro Microsofters who perpetuate the illusion it works as advertised
[19:57]	MinceR	OTOH if you just want to run windows, you don't need to know anything
[19:57]	mjg59_	MinceR: Yes, which is why Microsoft want to move the TPM on-package
[19:57]	MinceR	this is what a "level playing field" looks like in redmond
[19:57]	schestowitz[TR]	it's also leveraged by malware writersamn
[19:57]	schestowitz[TR]	and ransom
[19:58]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2015/11/14/microsoft-bitlocker-has-bugback-doors-windows-laptopdesktop-encryption-just-a-farce/
[19:58]	TR Bot	 Microsoft BitLocker Has Bug/Back Doors, Windows Laptop/Desktop Encryption Just a Farce | Techrights
[19:58]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2014/07/31/microsoft-back-doors-admission/
[19:58]	TR Bot	 Former Microsoft Engineer Working on Windows BitLocker Confirms Government Asks Microsoft for Back Doors | Techrights
[19:58]	MinceR	mjg59_: which will probably also be vulnerable
[19:58]	MinceR	mjg59_: also, the ShitLocker you used handed your key to MICROS~1, didn't it?
[19:58]	schestowitz[TR]	microsofty = back doors
[19:58]	mjg59_	MinceR: The default policy escrows a recovery key with Microsoft, yes. You can disable that.
[19:58]	schestowitz[TR]	tpm= corporate ownership of YOUR PC
[19:58]	schestowitz[TR]	IOW, attack on the user
[19:58]	schestowitz[TR]	same for plutoin, uefi 'secure' boot etc.
[19:59]	schestowitz[TR]	they are about oppressing users
[19:59]	schestowitz[TR]	alsely marketed as 'security;
[19:59]	schestowitz[TR]	Putin says he 'protects' Russians
[19:59]	MinceR	"escrow" -- what a nice term for "all this security theater is worthless"
[19:59]	schestowitz[TR]	biab
[19:59]	schestowitz[TR]	debating with mules of Microsoft
[19:59]	mjg59_	If you don't trust Microsoft (a reasonable position to take) then running Windows is probably not a good choice
[19:59]	MinceR	"but but but the company run by people who'd sell their mothers for a cent will never betray me!"
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[20:00]	TR News	 (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Today_in_Techrights.gmi 
[20:00]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Today in Techrights
[20:03]	reptilian_thrills	 yes. You can disable that. <- i missed this setting in the bios
[20:03]	prurigro	it'd be nice if most computers didn't come with a closed source OS running at the lowest level, but I'm still glad I can run an open source OS on top of it 
[20:04]	reptilian_thrills	I'm still glad I can run an open source OS on top of it <- meh
[20:04]	reptilian_thrills	its nice we found a way to have a little bit of freedom on top of paying to be told what to do.
[20:04]	reptilian_thrills	freedom, while its still allowed
[20:04]	MinceR	every year we have less of it
[20:04]	MinceR	soon we can be glad they still let us run WSL
[20:04]	reptilian_thrills	 every year we have less of it <- people keep selling out
[20:05]	prurigro	don't get me wrong, it's 100% worth keeping a finger on what the ideal scenario is
[20:05]	MinceR	or we can buy a crApple laptop and then pay for the privilege of running our own application on it
[20:05]	reptilian_thrills	it's 100% worth keeping a finger on what the ideal scenario is <- definitely
[20:05]	mjg59_	reptilian_thrills: It's not a BIOS setting, it's OS level - the firmware knows nothing about Bitlocker
[20:05]	reptilian_thrills	 It's not a BIOS setting, it's OS level <- cool
[20:06]	MinceR	then we can be glad we can still run a PC emulator written in javascript in a web browser
[20:06]	prurigro	MinceR: I realize the point you're trying to make, but I also think it's pretty cool that we're able to do that these days
[20:07]	prurigro	fabrice bellard is a genius
[20:07]	MinceR	it would be so much cooler to have real computers without any backdoors on them
[20:07]	MinceR	with performance that makes them usable in real-world tasks
[20:07]	MinceR	(so, not my Sinclair ZX Spectrum for the cupboard)
[20:07]	prurigro	for sure- I'm keeping an eye on that RISCV board by pine64
[20:07]	reptilian_thrills	fabrice bellard is a genius <- agreed, but why
[20:08]	reptilian_thrills	oh wait
[20:08]	reptilian_thrills	what mincer said
[20:08]	MinceR	how far along is intHell in the process of poisoning RISC-V?
[20:08]	prurigro	reptilian_thrills: because he wrote an x86 emulator in javascript
[20:08]	reptilian_thrills	right
[20:08]	reptilian_thrills	i tried it
[20:08]	MinceR	he wrote so many cool things
[20:08]	reptilian_thrills	definitely
[20:08]	reptilian_thrills	too bad qemu belongs to the kuhnspiracy
[20:08]	MinceR	:(
[20:09]	prurigro	kuhnspiracy?
[20:10]	reptilian_thrills	mincer: https://sfconservancy.org/projects/current/
[20:10]	TR Bot	 Current Projects - Software Freedom Conservancy
[20:10]	reptilian_thrills	the software freedom kuhnspiracy 
[20:10]	reptilian_thrills	"we decide who speaks for free software"
[20:11]	reptilian_thrills	if they do say so themselves
[20:11]	prurigro	how's the "kuhn" fit in?
[20:11]	MinceR	kuhnservancy
[20:11]	prurigro	that's a lot of projects
[20:11]	reptilian_thrills	hes the ringleader there
[20:11]	schestowitz[TR]	maine Kuhn
[20:12]	reptilian_thrills	 that's a lot of projects <- i dont know what the relationship between those projects and sfc is really. hopefully its small
[20:12]	schestowitz[TR]	it's accounting
[20:12]	reptilian_thrills	if id had a project there, it would have withdrawn by now
[20:12]	schestowitz[TR]	they funnel it via SFC
[20:12]	schestowitz[TR]	for tax  dodge
[20:12]	prurigro	ddg is showing pictures of a large domesticated cat breed
[20:12]	reptilian_thrills	ddg is showing pictures of a large domesticated cat breed <- thats definitely the image he was going for
[20:13]	schestowitz[TR]	ddg is microsoft
[20:13]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo.
[20:13]	TR Bot	 DuckDuckGo - Techrights
[20:13]	prurigro	what search would you recommend?
[20:13]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
[20:13]	schestowitz[TR]	searx seems llike "least evil"
[20:14]	schestowitz[TR]	instances come and go
[20:14]	MinceR	prurigro: he's talking about bradley m. kuhn
[20:14]	reptilian_thrills	i take for granted that everyone knows who runs sfc
[20:14]	reptilian_thrills	i shouldnt, but i do
[20:15]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/
[20:15]	TR Bot	 Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights
[20:15]	schestowitz[TR]	I wish i could do "pro bono" for $18k a month
[20:15]	reptilian_thrills	most people here, to be fair, know who he is and what he belongs to, and why hes relevant
[20:15]	prurigro	schestowitz[TR]: isn't that how non profits work?
[20:15]	schestowitz[TR]	$18k lasts us more than one year, all expenses combined
[20:15]	reptilian_thrills	$18k lasts us more than one year <- /me wonders what that works out to in pounds these days
[20:15]	schestowitz[TR]	prurigro: they are not quite non-profits
[20:16]	schestowitz[TR]	that became a misnomer
[20:16]	schestowitz[TR]	like http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique
[20:16]	TR Bot	 Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights
[20:16]	reptilian_thrills	non-profit mozilla: only baker profits
[20:16]	schestowitz[TR]	they are lobbies for moneyed interests
[20:16]	prurigro	I have a parent who kept books for a lot of non profits over the years and the people at the top all had excessively large salaries (while everyone else got peanuts for the privilege of working for a good cause)
[20:16]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla
[20:16]	TR Bot	 Mozilla - Techrights
[20:16]	reptilian_thrills	non-profits funnelling money tax free into the people at the top isnt a new thing
[20:16]	reptilian_thrills	probably just increasingly common
[20:16]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative
[20:16]	TR Bot	 Open Source Initiative - Techrights
[20:17]	reptilian_thrills	I have a parent who kept books for a lot of non profits over the years and the people at the top all had excessively large salaries <- right
[20:17]	reptilian_thrills	some dont, rms only took a dollar
[20:17]	reptilian_thrills	the president of the fsf is also the treasurer :)
[20:17]	schestowitz[TR]	don't touch the bagel
[20:17]	reptilian_thrills	if the president has any concerns for the treasurer he knows who to talk to
[20:17]	schestowitz[TR]	same in OSI before
[20:18]	schestowitz[TR]	treasurer became preisdent
[20:18]	reptilian_thrills	if the board has any concerns, they have to put on bloomers and carry pom poms per the new board rules
[20:18]	schestowitz[TR]	cashed in a lot from microsoft
[20:18]	schestowitz[TR]	then vanished
[20:18]	schestowitz[TR]	insinuated critics of these moves are just homophobic
[20:18]	schestowitz[TR]	yes, microsoft the "homo company"? No! SUED for homophobis
[20:18]	reptilian_thrills	yes the old gays are looting non-profits trope-- splc wrote some articles about it
[20:19]	reptilian_thrills	SUED for homophobis <- homophobis vulgaris
[20:19]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2010/09/10/fort-gay-incident/
[20:19]	TR Bot	 Another New Example of Microsoft Homophobia | Techrights
[20:19]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2009/04/12/microsoft-sneaks-out/
[20:19]	prurigro	reptilian_thrills: true, RMS is a special case though
[20:19]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Sneaks Out of Treason and Homophobia Charges | Techrights
[20:19]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.digitalspy.com/videogames/a150602/microsoft-accused-of-homophobia/
[20:19]	reptilian_thrills	 RMS is a special case thoug <- agreed 100%
[20:19]	TR Bot	 Microsoft accused of homophobia
[20:19]	reptilian_thrills	he cant be the only one but hes a rare breed
[20:19]	prurigro	I'd call him a national treasure, but I'm not american- global treasure?
[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[20:20]	reptilian_thrills	i literally compare him to einstein
[20:20]	reptilian_thrills	kuhn can remove the stallman from free software after he removes the einstein from relativity
[20:20]	TR News	400 - Elon Musk vs Trolls - mintCast https://mintcast.org/2022/11/16/400-elon-musk-vs-trolls/ Source: mintCast Podcast | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//mintcast.org/2022/11/16/400-elon-musk-vs-trolls/
[20:20]	TR Bot	 400 Elon Musk vs Trolls mintCast
[20:20]	reptilian_thrills	"jewish propaganda" <- hitlers opinion of relativity
[20:20]	prurigro	I still can't believe the RMS removal campaign was started by someone who learned who he was a few days before she started it
[20:20]	prurigro	it blows my mind
[20:20]	reptilian_thrills	those crazy jews, pretending you can split atoms and whatnot
[20:21]	reptilian_thrills	I still can't believe the RMS removal campaign was started by someone who learned who he was a few days before she started it <- tbh i think it started in 2018 https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/
[20:21]	TR Bot	 Is LibrePlanet Safe?
[20:21]	reptilian_thrills	the names there were all over the various parts of the coup in 2019 and later
[20:21]	TR News	Critical Escalation Vulnerability Found in the Linux Kernel https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Critical-Escalation-Vulnerability-Found-in-the-Linux-Kernel Source: Linux Magazine | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Critical-Escalation-Vulnerability-Found-in-the-Linux-Kernel
[20:21]	TR Bot	 Critical Escalation Vulnerability Found in the... Linux Magazine
[20:21]	reptilian_thrills	neil mcgovern, head of the gnome foundation
[20:22]	reptilian_thrills	gnome should be thrown into a live volcano
[20:22]	reptilian_thrills	theres no real line between the project and the foundation. the overlap is (nominally) less than 100%
[20:22]	TR News	"In this video, I cover an article about an issue caused by remote workers moving around the country." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=RHU5VwesUq4
[20:22]	TR Bot	 Tech Company Fined Because of Remote Worker's Location - Invidious
[20:22]	reptilian_thrills	you can draw a line between them. its not very meaningful
[20:23]	reptilian_thrills	im far more sympathetic to mate
[20:24]	TR News	How to Change File Ownership in Ubuntu https://learnubuntu.com/change-file-ownership/ only Ubuntu???
[20:24]	TR Bot	 How to Change File Ownership in Ubuntu
[20:24]	reptilian_thrills	there ARE people in gnome (some) who are arguably innocent. that doesnt mean gnome itself is
[20:24]	reptilian_thrills	hell, the guy who wrote rc.d for openbsd is a gnome guy
[20:24]	reptilian_thrills	but if you watch his talk on youtube about how and why rc.d was created
[20:24]	prurigro	huh, noticed mjg59_ in that list, and at the same time the person who pushed the campaign forward (who had to find a job in a new industry shortly after the campaign) wasn't in that list
[20:24]	reptilian_thrills	its like watching the OPPOSITE of lennart talk about init systems
[20:25]	reptilian_thrills	huh, noticed mjg59_ in that list, and at the same time the person who pushed the campaign forward (who had to find a job in a new industry shortly after the campaign) wasn't in that list <- i really dont think salamg was the starting point at all
[20:25]	reptilian_thrills	more like a pebble someone tossed down a snowy mountain
[20:25]	prurigro	not salamg
[20:25]	reptilian_thrills	which one then
[20:26]	prurigro	sorry, had to remind myself- molly deblanc
[20:26]	schestowitz[TR]	bully
[20:26]	reptilian_thrills	oh yeah
[20:27]	reptilian_thrills	i think molly was a patsy. a really nasty one, its true
[20:27]	prurigro	who now works in environmental science
[20:27]	reptilian_thrills	but also she occupied SO MANY positions in SO MANY orgs, which is just weird
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	picked on an old man
[20:27]	reptilian_thrills	i dont have a great deal of interest in her
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	to join the clique
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	and score points
[20:27]	schestowitz[TR]	she couldd find nobody nmore transphobic than rms
[20:27]	reptilian_thrills	pocock already covers molly in excessive detail
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	who had given her awards!
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	the sexist!!
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	who gave awards to women
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	who would later cancel him
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	amid major scandals of bill gates and jeffrey epstein
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	two men whose names they never even mentioned
[20:28]	schestowitz[TR]	in microsoft github or elsewhere
[20:28]	reptilian_thrills	i dont assume every female is innocent just because theyre female
[20:28]	reptilian_thrills	i think deb icaza (nicholson) is a traitor
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR]	she vanished
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR]	handed over to another sellout at osi
[20:29]	reptilian_thrills	yeah yeah
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR]	said seagl would be next
[20:29]	reptilian_thrills	and caring slander, only because of things ive heard though cant verify
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR]	never heard her name since hen
[20:29]	prurigro	it did sound like RMS needed to alter his behaviour a bit- the open letter and demanding his removal was absolutely the wrong (suspiciously wrong) approach, but I wouldn't assume the people who signed only that libreplanet safety letter were necessarily trying to start what ended up happening
[20:30]	reptilian_thrills	 I wouldn't assume the people who signed only that libreplanet safety letter were necessarily trying to start what ended up happening <- they have plausible deniability at least
[20:30]	reptilian_thrills	i dont think its convincing
[20:30]	prurigro	schestowitz[TR]: who vanished?
[20:30]	schestowitz[TR]	reptilian_thrills: not twitter is dying ;-)
[20:30]	schestowitz[TR]	next, github
[20:30]	schestowitz[TR]	no more fake signs on doors
[20:30]	schestowitz[TR]	prurigro: deb icaza
[20:30]	reptilian_thrills	this went on for a long time and is closer to a pattern of corporate trolling (going back to the halloween documents fud in both style and timeline) than genuine concern
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	also de icaza
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	he "left" microsoft
[20:31]	reptilian_thrills	basically the halloween documents took over osi, made it a base camp then infiltrated fsf
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	after the graveley and freiedman scandsals
[20:31]	reptilian_thrills	thats the pattern i see anyway
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	the ssssssssscandals the media refuses to even mention
[20:31]	reptilian_thrills	this lines up with everything that happned
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	too much ad money from microsoft, I suppose
[20:31]	reptilian_thrills	of course, its still possible the whole thing was innocent
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[20:31]	reptilian_thrills	i think its incredibly unlikely 
[20:31]	prurigro	schestowitz[TR]: you said "she vanished" though?
[20:32]	prurigro	(icaza is a man right?)
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	deb icaza is a women
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	<reptilian_thrills> i think deb icaza (nicholson) is a traitor
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	icaza is a meme
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	like guido van icaza
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	who joined microsoft
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	to shill their proprietary software
[20:32]	reptilian_thrills	 like guido van icaz <- i know, im the one who coined it
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	who knows how much they paid him to do this
[20:32]	reptilian_thrills	you took it and ran but thats fine, i wanted people to use it
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR]	they already cut expenses on salaries by layoing off a ton of staff
[20:33]	reptilian_thrills	and youve only used it on people i think deserve it
[20:33]	reptilian_thrills	de icaza (vs deb icaza, i mean the original one) is the only person rms called a traitor in public
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR]	if joindiaspora was still active, you would be able to check how it started
[20:33]	reptilian_thrills	deb icaza was my joke. only one letter different
[20:34]	schestowitz[TR]	by that point, I don't think I got email notifications of new comments anymore
[20:34]	schestowitz[TR]	the system was failing and breaking
[20:34]	AdmFubar1	https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/police-beat-algorithm-lbj-ibm.html
[20:34]	TR Bot	 The 1960s Police Beat Algorithm and modern law enforcement surveillance.
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	"GAFAM" became very widely used
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	openwashing
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	lots olf other funnty slants
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	Gulag is used a lot
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	but there were variants of it already
[20:36]	TR News	Samba Releases Security Updates https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/11/16/samba-releases-security-updates
[20:36]	TR Bot	 Samba Releases Security Updates | CISA
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[20:37]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.5.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/today_s_howtos.5.gmi 
[20:37]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[20:37]	starstreak	linucks btw
[20:37]	reptilian_thrills	linucks-- its the boy scouts marching song
[20:38]	reptilian_thrills	linucks-- so good it can do no wrong
[20:38]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Security_Leftovers.gmi 
[20:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
[20:38]	reptilian_thrills	be prepared to hide your funding pretty well
[20:38]	starstreak	"Oooooo boy scouts" -Jason Tereszko
[20:38]	reptilian_thrills	dont write naughty things in comments if you cant spell
[20:39]	reptilian_thrills	"ooh, navy seals!"-- clerks
[20:39]	reptilian_thrills	"be prepared, jack! its the boy scouts marching song"-- dennis hopper quoting tom lehrer
[20:40]	TR News	The Seattle puff pieces from the Linux Foundation include openwashing Microsoft PR for Microsoft, amplifying deceit; to make matters worse, it promotes proprietary GitHub, a repository that is missing, and the Linux Foundation recently moved from Free/Open Source software to a proprietary and outsourced CMS http://techrights.org/2022/11/16/lf-openwashing-services-microsoft/
[20:40]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Became an Instrument of Microsoft and Proprietary Software Openwashing | Techrights
[20:40]	TR News	The Linux Foundations latest event is, as usual, beholden to the company which attacks Linux the most (Microsoft); this contributes to censorship http://techrights.org/2022/11/16/microsoft-is-gold-to-linux-foundation/
[20:40]	TR Bot	 This Months Linux Foundation Event (Linux Foundation Member Summit 2022) Sponsored by the Company That Attacks Linux | Techrights
[20:40]	reptilian_thrills	"theres aluminum"-- daniel radcliffe quoting lehrer
[20:40]	reptilian_thrills	he does the whole song
[20:41]	TR News	Mr. Zemlin promotes Microsoft's version or vision of (fake) security; he did this again last month in the talk above (hes paid to relay these talking points by Microsoft and Snyk as Linux Foundation sponsors) and heres what he said about Sheela Microsoft, his Microsoft-sponsored wife who had defrauded a lot of people http://techrights.org/2022/11/16/jim-ftx-zemlin/
[20:41]	TR Bot	 Jim FTX Zemlin: My Wife Who is a Successful Technology Executive and Harvard MBA [and Fraudster Facing Class Action Lawsuit for Securities Fraud] Really Had an Obvious Look of Disappointment When I Told Her I Worked at a Non-Profit [sic] | Techrights
[20:41]	AdmFubar1	uhg.. furnace just crapped out
[20:41]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQHaGhC7C2E
[20:41]	TR Bot	https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=UQHaGhC7C2E
[20:41]	TR Bot	invidious.weblibre.org | Tom Lehrer - Lobachevsky - Invidious
[20:42]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0L_rD7CCe4
[20:42]	TR Bot	https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=J0L_rD7CCe4
[20:42]	TR Bot	timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=J0L_rD7CCe4 )
[20:44]	TR News	Representing KDE @ Ubuntu Summit in Prague - Scarlett Gately Moore https://www.scarlettgatelymoore.dev/representing-kde-ubuntu-summit-in-prague/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.scarlettgatelymoore.dev/representing-kde-ubuntu-summit-in-prague/
[20:44]	TR Bot	 Representing KDE @ Ubuntu Summit in Prague Scarlett Gately Moore
[20:44]	reptilian_thrills	he should do a song called poisoning risc-v at xerox parc
[20:45]	reptilian_thrills	i think hes probably dead at this point
[20:45]	TR News	"Candidates may self-nominate. If you nominate someone else, please check with them to ensure that they are willing to be nominated before submitting their name." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/f37-election-nominations-now-open/
[20:45]	TR Bot	 F37 election nominations now open Fedora Community Blog
[20:46]	reptilian_thrills	one of the earliest tom lehrer shows was recorded on a wire recorder (instead of tape)
[20:46]	reptilian_thrills	the thing about wire is its round
[20:46]	reptilian_thrills	so it twists, so the magnetic charge doesnt stay in the same place to be read
[20:47]	TR News	QEMU 7.2-rc1 https://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/7.2
[20:47]	TR Bot	 ChangeLog/7.2 - QEMU
[20:47]	reptilian_thrills	you could have round or extra read heads-- or, you could use flat tape instead
[20:47]	reptilian_thrills	flat tape also takes up less space on a reel
[20:51]	TR News	 (NEW): SQLite Release 3.40.0 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/SQLite_Release_3_40_0.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/SQLite_Release_3_40_0.gmi 
[20:51]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines SQLite Release 3.40.0
[20:53]	TR News	"I have some text files from MSDOS written in the 90s before UTF-8 was common and I don't remember which character encoding was used" gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2022-11-16-converting-text-files-with-french-character-encoding.gmi
[20:53]	TR News	The Magic Word gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-11-16.magic.word.gmi
[20:56]	TR News	telecomtv just reprinting PR trash now? https://www.telecomtv.com/content/open-networking/open-source-networking-hits-tipping-point-with-proliferation-of-real-world-deployments-industry-collaborations-and-mature-project-releases-45973/
[20:56]	TR Bot	networking hits tipping point with proliferation of real-world deployments, industry collaborations, and mature project releases, Open Networking | TelecomTV
[20:57]	TR News	"SEATTLE, Washington..." funny how 'Linux' Foundation now has similar locations to Microsoft
[20:57]	MinceR	cost reduction
[20:58]	reptilian_thrills	the dark side of reproducible builds is it will convince more people that building binaries (independently) isnt necessary
[20:58]	reptilian_thrills	mostly people who werent going to build them anyway, so people will say "whats it matter"
[20:58]	TR News	Jim Zemlin is pleased to have 'absorbed' Microsoft like most of us would be pleased to absorb COVID-19
[20:58]	reptilian_thrills	but what matters is twofold-- they wont see the value in people doing it at all
[20:58]	reptilian_thrills	and it will make people use binaries that are more tied to this or that distro
[20:59]	reptilian_thrills	yeah the premise is fantastic, i like it too
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 80.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[20:59]	MinceR	what distros support reproducible builds anyway?
[20:59]	reptilian_thrills	its the actual effect i think will have a dark side
[20:59]	reptilian_thrills	mincer: your favourite i guess
[20:59]	reptilian_thrills	its spi / sfc
[20:59]	reptilian_thrills	you know spi
[20:59]	reptilian_thrills	the friendly computing people
● Nov 16
[21:00]	TR News	Liliputing joined the Microsoft boosters who spam "WSL" tg trash "Linux" and promote Windows under the brand "Linux". BRAD LINDER... not too sharp.
[21:00]	starstreak	i think debian does reproducable builds
[21:00]	MinceR	fedora?
[21:00]	reptilian_thrills	systemd in the public interest
[21:00]	reptilian_thrills	spi is the debian corporation
[21:00]	reptilian_thrills	spi, inc
[21:00]	schestowitz[TR]	Debicaz GNU/Linux
[21:00]	MinceR	deadian is almost 4 years less modern than fedora
[21:00]	MinceR	s/modern/"modern"/
[21:01]	reptilian_thrills	Debicaz GNU/Linux <- there you go
[21:01]	schestowitz[TR]	mo' darn
[21:01]	reptilian_thrills	gosh dern mo dern
[21:01]	MinceR	software in the lack of interest
[21:02]	reptilian_thrills	sli 
[21:02]	reptilian_thrills	debian dogs
[21:03]	reptilian_thrills	the good news about reproducible builds of course
[21:03]	reptilian_thrills	is that now when someone has an error, everyone will be able to reproduce it
[21:03]	reptilian_thrills	provided its part of the build 
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR]	yo dawg, i heard you like   secure boot
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR]	so I made secure boot for secure boot
[21:04]	reptilian_thrills	secure inception
[21:04]	schestowitz[TR]	so you can signature-validate the UEFI component
[21:05]	schestowitz[TR]	and  if it's not matcheing hashes, no UEFI secure boot for you
[21:05]	reptilian_thrills	i like when my firmware validates my feelings (against a cryptographic hashsum)
[21:05]	schestowitz[TR]	next: uefi secure boot for uefi secure boot  for uefi secure boot 
[21:05]	schestowitz[TR]	trust!
[21:05]	reptilian_thrills	hubba hubba hubba, who do you trust!-- the joke
[21:05]	reptilian_thrills	joker
[21:06]	TR News	 (NEW): Sourceware support proposal divides open source community http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Sourceware_support_proposal_divides_open_source_community.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Sourceware_support_proposal_divides_open_source_community.gmi 
[21:06]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Sourceware support proposal divides open source community
[21:07]	schestowitz[TR]	yo jim, I herd u like micreosoft, so I made your wife a green corset that smells like dollar cocaine 
[21:07]	schestowitz[TR]	jim: sniff sniff. i loike it thanks! jim loves microsoft. right back at chu
[21:07]	reptilian_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=a71VqHpza58
[21:07]	TR Bot	 Batman - Trust (Parade Scene) - Invidious
[21:09]	TR News	Seizing knowledge at Capitole du Libre https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/seizing-knowledge-at-capitole-du-libre.html Source: Collabora | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/seizing-knowledge-at-capitole-du-libre.html
[21:09]	TR Bot	 Seizing knowledge at Capitole du Libre
[21:10]		*elusive_woman sits on Roy's lap
[21:10]	elusive_woman	did someone say cocaine?
[21:11]	TR News	2023 Is The Year Of Linux Wayland Gaming! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yXYWCUWDqss | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/yXYWCUWDqss
[21:11]	TR Bot	 2023 Is The Year Of Linux Wayland Gaming! - Invidious
[21:14]	TR News	iTWire - Medibank bosses keep bonuses despite devastating network attack <p class="dropcap-first"> <a class="readon" title="IT Wire" href="https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/medibank-bosses-keep-bonuses-despite-devastating-network-attack.html">Read on</a>
[21:14]	TR Bot	- Medibank bosses keep bonuses despite devastating network attack
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[21:17]	TR News	 (NEW): Shows/Video: Wayland Gaming, Remote Work, and mintCast http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Shows_Video_Wayland_Gaming_Remote_Work_and_mintCast.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Shows_Video_Wayland_Gaming_Remote_Work_and_mintCast.gmi 
[21:17]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Shows/Video: Wayland Gaming, Remote Work, and mintCast
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[21:19]	TR News	What is Drupal? - RoseHosting https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/what-is-drupal/ Source: RoseHosting | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.rosehosting.com/blog/what-is-drupal/
[21:19]	TR Bot	is Drupal? - RoseHosting
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[21:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:20]	DaemonFC	Libera Chat puts some VPN IPs on ban because of DroneBL now.
[21:21]	TR News	Latest on SCO vs ICBM/Linux: "I'm still curious if Xinuos is going to pursue this further. Gads, I hope not..." https://grokthelaw.freeforums.net/thread/390/xinuos-deja-all-over-again"
[21:21]	TR Bot	 Xinuos - It's deja vu all over again | GroktheLaw
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	DroneBL?
[21:22]	TR News	10 Useful mysqladmin Commands for Database Administration - RoseHosting https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/10-useful-mysqladmin-commands-for-database-administration/ Source: RoseHosting | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.rosehosting.com/blog/10-useful-mysqladmin-commands-for-database-administration/
[21:22]	TR Bot	Useful mysqladmin Commands for Database Administration - RoseHosting
[21:23]	reptilian_thrills	DroneBL <- creator of the web?
[21:23]	TR News	d as legal advice or a legal opinion. Please consult an attorney.
[21:23]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Some sort of bot blacklist or something.
[21:23]	TR News	"Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in the posts are the property of their posters. Nothing on this site constitutes or is to be construed as legal advice or a legal opinion. Please consult an attorney." https://grokthelaw.freeforums.net/thread/390/xinuos-deja-all-over-again
[21:24]	TR News	 (NEW): Best Linux Distros for KDE Plasma http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Best_Linux_Distros_for_KDE_Plasma.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/16/Best_Linux_Distros_for_KDE_Plasma.gmi 
[21:24]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Best Linux Distros for KDE Plasma
[21:24]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], My insurance pays for 8 COVID tests a month so I'm going to pick up a stack of them over at Walgreens.
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[21:24]	DaemonFC	COVID is pretty tricky so I plan to keep testing myself every day and get the Paxlovid if and when.
[21:24]	DaemonFC	I had some symptoms for a couple days and then they vanished..
[21:24]	schestowitz[TR]	tests don';t help much
[21:24]	schestowitz[TR]	they just say yes or no
[21:25]	DaemonFC	Abortive infection, maybe?
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[21:25]	schestowitz[TR]	MIGHT be able to prevent further infection of people around you
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[21:25]	DaemonFC	Viral load hanging out just below the positive test threshold?
[21:25]	schestowitz[TR]	bourla infected at least twice already
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR]	they even admitted they hadn't tested to see if their products curtails the spread
[21:26]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Mom and I have had our disagreements, but no I'm not trying to kill her. She's been doing a fine job with attempts on her own life. :( Getting it from those idiots she works with and at church that cough all over their hand and come up...."KATHY!!!! HOW ARE YOU!!!!?" *HUG HUG HUG*".
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR]	not a superwoman
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR]	but a superspreader
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR]	wore a mask at least
[21:28]	DaemonFC	Yeah, she does do that. Now the Catholic Church is threatening not to give them masks at the nursing home because the government isn't paying for them anymore.
[21:28]	DaemonFC	This could be the worst winter yet for COVID in nursing homes.
[21:28]	DaemonFC	Governor Pritzker of Illinois (D) not only stopped sending masks, but got rid of the weekly test for unvaccinated nursing home workers.
[21:28]	DaemonFC	State's too cheap to pay for it.
[21:30]	TR News	Cisco Releases Security Updates for Identity Services Engine https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/11/16/cisco-releases-security-updates-identity-services-engine
[21:30]	TR Bot	 Cisco Releases Security Updates for Identity Services Engine | CISA
[21:31]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Well, I was looking at my own math (using estimates) and in 2020 I figured that in three years, at least half of Americans would get COVID, and possibly up to 90%.
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR]	https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2022/11/10/ums-mott-childrens-hospital-at-100-capacity-amid-rsv-surge/69637360007/
[21:31]	TR Bot	 UM's Mott Children's Hospital at 100% capacity amid RSV surge
[21:32]	DaemonFC	But that they weren't saying that of course, because they didn't want to highlight the ultimate futility of taking precaution.
[21:32]	schestowitz[TR]	merkel said 70%
[21:32]	schestowitz[TR]	or 60+
[21:32]	schestowitz[TR]	in early 2020
[21:32]	DaemonFC	Precautions are only slowing it down so they don't get overwhelmed with sick employees out and can't run anything and hospitals overflowing.
[21:33]	DaemonFC	Pretty much, the way it benefits people to slow it down is in a big picture sense.
[21:33]	TR News	A ZFS migration - anarcat https://anarc.at/blog/2022-11-17-zfs-migration/ Source: The Anarcat | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//anarc.at/blog/2022-11-17-zfs-migration/
[21:33]	TR Bot	 A ZFS migration - anarcat
[21:33]	DaemonFC	If everyone's sick at once we're all going to have major problems as a society just with the crowded hospitals, people dying due to lack of resources to treat them, everything shut down including the grocery stores and trucking.
[21:34]	DaemonFC	But if you tell people most will get it anyway, they figure what's the difference for me between now and then.
[21:35]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I remember the German finance minister or something, he heard about COVID and walked in front of a train.
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	error:
[21:35]	DaemonFC	Odd reaction.
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	because
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[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	1) you can get reinfected
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	2) you can lowe saverity
[21:35]	prurigro	if everyone hides for a month and then goes out at the same time, the odds of everyone catching it around the same time go up, but even then, the odds of everyone having it at exactly the same time is really really low
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	it's not just about slowdown
[21:36]	DaemonFC	Well, yeah, obviously by delaying, we got some vaccines and Mandy's in there on Paxlovid.
[21:36]	prurigro	in fact, it's probably not even possible-- the person infecting someone else is going to be on a different timeline
[21:36]	DaemonFC	And it could have taken me planning his funeral down to "Just a cough. Had to take some days off work.".
[21:37]	DaemonFC	We don't know how that. We don't know that the vaccines and Paxlovid help him that much because we can't test it both ways.
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	he will get infectedagain
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	and so will you
[21:37]	DaemonFC	It's not like you can test by cloning the exact same person and watching it play out both ways.
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	he works in superspreaderMart
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	when politicians don't give a s**
[21:38]	prurigro	covid was the least sick I've been with a virus all year (and I've had quite a few thanks to the kids)
[21:38]	DaemonFC	To be fair, Roy....
[21:38]	DaemonFC	Governor Pritzker already had COVID himself.
[21:38]	DaemonFC	So it's not like he was hunkered down in his bunker avoiding it.
[21:38]	DaemonFC	You know how the politicians are.
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	Repeat COVID is riskier than first infection, study finds | Taiwan News | 2022-11-11 17:34:00 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4715008 Source: Taiwan News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4715008
[21:38]	TR Bot	 Repeat COVID is riskier than first infection, study finds | Taiwan News | 2022-11-11 17:34:00
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Probably out with Gavin in mjg59_ land, eating a $500 starter salad.
[21:39]	DaemonFC	No mask on.
[21:41]	DaemonFC	I mean, my mom just doesn't get it. She's furious that California decided to spend state money helping the unemployed with something that's really no more generous than UK Jobseeker's Allowance that you guys have had forever I think.
[21:41]	DaemonFC	And that the politicians that rule over us spend more than the allowance for the unemployed (which only exists in one US state) on a starter salad at a "luncheon".
[21:42]	DaemonFC	So, Fox News was out ginning up outrage at this program, right?
[21:42]	DaemonFC	And they forgot to say you're paying for it.
[21:43]	DaemonFC	Mom was all indignant, I think is the word, that they were "paying people to be unemployed", and I said, "You have to sign a form that says they get to dock your tax checks and Social Security if you haven't paid it all back by then so it's not like there's this huge program handing them money that comes from nowhere.".
[21:43]	prurigro	it'd be hard to eat a $500 salad with a mask on
[21:43]	DaemonFC	So as soon as you do have a job, you have to pay it all back one way or the other.
[21:44]	DaemonFC	<prurigro> it'd be hard to eat a $500 salad with a mask on
[21:44]	TR News	2022-11-16 Smokey: Recipes for making cannabutter and rice crispy treats gemini://tilde.team/~smokey/logs/2022-11-16-dope-butter.gmi
[21:44]	DaemonFC	Yeah, but he was telling everyone else they MUST stay home and that all restaurants were to shut down.
[21:44]	DaemonFC	Then they illegally opened a restaurant for rich assholes for Gavin Newsom and his pals, with the $500 starter salads.
[21:45]	prurigro	just to clarify, you're against lockdowns right?
[21:45]	DaemonFC	They cause a lot of damage of their own.
[21:45]	prurigro	agreed
[21:45]	DaemonFC	It's not like I'm thrilled about how this will go either way.
[21:46]	DaemonFC	I wish they would actually pass some law that says "put your damned mask on in the store or $1,000 fine".
[21:46]	prurigro	and yeah, being pro-lockdown and then sneaking out to eat somewhere dodging them is pretty hypocritical
[21:46]	DaemonFC	We might actually put some sort of lid on it if everyone did wear one, but there's absolutely no requirement to anymore, so nobody does.
[21:46]	DaemonFC	And now we're getting a trifecta of flu, COVID, and RSV.
[21:46]	DaemonFC	RSV hitting adults even!
[21:47]	prurigro	I feel like to justify a huge fine for not wearing a mask they'd also need to require proper masks that actually help, vs the leaky fabric ones everyone was ordering off etsy
[21:47]	DaemonFC	You know what they say. A crime punishable by a fine means it's legal for money.
[21:47]	DaemonFC	But you attach some monetary punishment to something, even a small one, compliance goes up.
[21:47]	starstreak	<prurigro> it'd be hard to eat a $500 salad with a mask on <- a $500 salad?
[21:47]	DaemonFC	Not wearing your seatbelt is like $40 or $50 and doesn't affect your insurance.
[21:47]	prurigro	I'm kinda happy they dropped the masking rules though-- I got sick like 6 times once everything was back to normal because my immmune system had no idea what it was doing anymore
[21:48]	prurigro	I'm finally where I was pre-pandemic
[21:48]	DaemonFC	But you don't have that law, you get 60-70% compliance, and if it's even just a $50 ticket, it goes up to 97%.
[21:48]	starstreak	i still wear a mask
[21:49]	DaemonFC	There's no penalty for not wearing your seatbelt other than a $50 fine. It's just how many $50 fines and how many times you want the cops to pull you over.
[21:49]	prurigro	I guess it was more than just masking rules- it was fully reopening in general. it's hard to say how much spread avoidance masks helped with
[21:49]	DaemonFC	And most people do it so they don't get the cop paying them some personal attention, more than the fine.
[21:50]	prurigro	starstreak: I'll wear one if I have a cold, but it's a leaky etsy one so I'm not sure if I'm actually helping anyone
[21:50]	DaemonFC	When the law was passed, a $50 had a lot more buying power.
[21:50]	DaemonFC	It was a $50 ticket in Illinois in 1990 and it's a $50 ticket now, so you're talking like $20 in today's terms.
[21:51]	DaemonFC	The punishment goes down every year because the money isn't worth what it was in 1990.
[21:51]	DaemonFC	If it's $50 in another 10 years, you're talking like a $9-10 fine.
[21:51]	DaemonFC	So eventually the fine doesn't mean a whole lot.
[21:52]	DaemonFC	The funny thing is that you can request a criminal trial on a seat belt ticket with a jury and everything, if you want to incur court costs and probably get convicted anyway.
[21:52]	DaemonFC	The fine is so low, everyone just pays it.
[21:53]	DaemonFC	"I demand a jury!" Okay, you're convicted and now you owe us $300.
[21:54]	prurigro	wait, it's a felony?
[21:54]	DaemonFC	You should only demand a trial (like I did) in a traffic case where pleading guilty involves getting sued because there was an accident and they're trying to pin it on you and/or the fine is huge anyway and what are court costs at this point compared to the odds of getting it tossed and/or will it affect your insurance and how much.
[21:55]	DaemonFC	In my case, the fine wasn't severe ($141), but I paid $400 for a lawyer and took it to trial and got the ticket thrown out.
[21:55]	DaemonFC	Why? Because the other driver threatened to sue me, and pleading guilty is slam dunk for them if they sue you later, and my insurance would have gone up 34%.
[21:56]	DaemonFC	<prurigro> wait, it's a felony?
[21:56]	DaemonFC	Well, in Illinois, most traffic cases are what's called a Petty Offense.
[21:57]	DaemonFC	It's technically a criminal proceeding, but the only possible outcome is a fine, and possibly putting yourself in a worse position for a civil suit. Pleading Guilty is evidence for the person who sues you in civil court later, but being found guilty isn't.
[21:57]	DaemonFC	Petty Offenses are not punishable by jail time or probation or anything, only a fine. They're not even a misdemeanor.
[21:58]	DaemonFC	Pretty much nobody cares about your driving record unless you take a job involving driving company vehicles or it's your car insurance company.
[21:58]	DaemonFC	If you go to court and you risk losing and they offer you "court supervision" it's worth considering.
[21:59]	DaemonFC	You pay a fine, you may or may not be sentenced to defensive driving school, and it keeps it off your insurance record and if it closes out (you don't get more in the supervision period), then it can't affect your license.
[21:59]	DaemonFC	But pleading guilty for supervision creates liability in a lawsuit later.
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[22:00]	DaemonFC	So sometimes, I mean, if they're REALLY likely to sue you, sometimes you have to proceed to trial no matter what happens.
[22:02]	DaemonFC	An interesting twist that I've seen though, was a man in this situation that told the judge "I'd like to consider the prosecutor's offer, however, someone has threatened to sue me so I really have my hands tied here. WCan I ask what you're likely to do to me if I plead Not Guilty and then you find me Guilty?".
[22:03]	DaemonFC	And the judge says, "Well, I would most likely give you court supervision and a $350 fine plus court costs.)".
[22:03]	DaemonFC	And so the guy says, "In that case, I plead Not Guilty.".
[22:04]	DaemonFC	And the prosecutor laid out all of the evidence and the guy said he had no response to it, and the judge gave him court supervision and a $350 fine and court costs, like the prosecutor's offer was before.
[22:04]	DaemonFC	But with the benefit that he had technically had his trial, pleaded Not Guilty, and was found Guilty by the judge, so it was inadmissible in a civil suit.
[22:05]	DaemonFC	So, the judge was just playing a hypothetical with the guy, and the trial was only technically a trial, and now it's useless to the people in the other car for their lawsuit.
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[22:06]	DaemonFC	As long as the government gets money out of you in traffic court, they don't really have any interest in fucking with you more than that.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	So keep in mind, as long as you're willing to pay them money, everything else can be negotiated away.
[22:08]	DaemonFC	It's not quite like that in misdemeanors. Typically, though, throwing away your right to trial to speed up the prosecutor's busy day goes a long way to minimizing your punishment, even if he really had a good case against you.
[22:08]	DaemonFC	And offering the maximum fine tends to lower the other punishments.
[22:08]	DaemonFC	It's all a racket.
[22:09]	DaemonFC	You're basically buying your way out of community service or something by putting cash into a police pension.
[22:09]	DaemonFC	But don't call it that!
[22:11]	DaemonFC	How much of their time and trouble you can take that pins them down and forces them to not get something else done is the bulk of your leverage in a negotiation.
[22:14]	DaemonFC	Unless you're in there for murdering someone, they have bigger fish to fry than you. The more bigger fish, the less time they want to spend dealing with you.
[22:14]	DaemonFC	It's already cost them hours going over police reports and preparing a case, but a misdemeanor trial can take all day.
[22:14]	DaemonFC	They'd rather be taking a murderer to trial.
[22:15]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], It's amazing how poorly these mobile sites work. You'd think they'd want you to order a pizza, not give up because it's loading so badly on your phone.
[22:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[22:35]	AdmFubar	https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/16/germany_world_cup_apps/
[22:35]	TR Bot	 Germany says nein to Qatari World Cup spyware, err, apps The Register
[22:36]	AdmFubar	https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/16/sourceware_open_source_openssf/
[22:36]	TR Bot	 Sourceware support proposal divides open source community The Register
[22:42]	starstreak	#Linux is trending on twitter
[22:48]	AdmFubar	https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/16/elons-big-moneymaker-plan-doesnt-appear-to-be-paying-off/
[22:48]	TR Bot	Big Moneymaker Plan Doesnt Appear To Be Paying Off | Techdirt
[22:50]	starstreak	https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-Modern-C-Approved
[22:50]	TR Bot	Linux Cleared To Pursue Its Modern C Porting - Phoronix
[22:50]	starstreak	Fedora will be porting apps written in legacy C to modern C
[22:51]	starstreak	and it looks like the target is C99
[22:51]	starstreak	which is still 20+ years old
[22:53]	XRevan86	starstreak: If the goal is to replace the C89-isms or even pre-C89-isms, C99 is more than enough.
[22:53]	XRevan86	Later versions have more features (obviously), but the basic approach to writing code hasn't changed.
[22:54]	starstreak	im not complaining
[22:54]	XRevan86	"which is still 20+ years old" <- It was an answer to this.
[22:54]	starstreak	they
[22:54]	starstreak	yeah
[22:54]	starstreak	they're not bleeding edging it
[22:54]	AdmFubar	he also believes he will make money  https://techxplore.com/news/2022-11-musk-twitter-ceo.html
[22:54]	TR Bot	 Musk says he expects to find a new Twitter CEO "over time"
[22:55]	XRevan86	starstreak: They might on a per-programme basis. But these programmes probably already have been upped.
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 80.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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[23:00]	techuser	hi
[23:01]	AdmFubar	not yet but we soon will be
[23:01]	geert	peoples ;)
[23:02]	elusive_woman	hello :)
[23:03]	elusive_woman	i can't figure out what to watch
[23:04]	starstreak	elusive_woman, https://tube.xy-space.de/w/kqraVhNYwpxYRF8L8sTBLp
[23:04]	TR Bot	 David Icke - The Reptilian Agenda (with Shaman Credo Mutwa) - PeerTube (xy-space)
[23:05]	elusive_woman	starstreak: :O
[23:06]	elusive_woman	6 hours? lol
[23:09]	geert	most often its kind of inviting extra difficulties watching many video productions, wether to try trust which is often incorrect or whether to try find out the reality about many remarks
[23:10]	geert	not every situation is the same, though often you wouldn't need to watch any those productions
[23:11]	geert	sometimes at point of phishing, noise, investigating criminals who call their criminal gang activity 'research', supposedly watching many those productions might come to hand
[23:11]	geert	s/activity/abuse
[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-15.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-16.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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