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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Can You Live Without These Five Companies That Rule Your Life? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132987 [https://pleroma.site/objects/49d7b692-0cfe-478a-9e13-d25b3dce4f63] | Jan 17 00:54 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | > Every manufacturer went there naturally inclined to get the healthiest most happy workers. | Jan 17 01:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86 Complete with suicide nets. | Jan 17 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple working conditions at Foxconn. | Jan 17 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Granted that's the same factory that churns out Android phones, but when Apple sells phones at 8 times what it costs to make them, it rightly gets more heat for this. | Jan 17 01:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The companies went there because there's not laws to protect the environment and nothing happens when employees work 80 hours with unpaid overtime and then kill themselves. | Jan 17 01:25 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Mandy never saw Demolition Man. | Jan 17 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He asked who the bad guy was. | Jan 17 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said Wesley Snipes. | Jan 17 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He asked what he did. | Jan 17 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Failed to file his income taxes.". | Jan 17 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He didn't get it. | Jan 17 02:44 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: and when regulation started happening in china over those thing some companies have tried moving their operations to other countries with really low laws as well. | Jan 17 03:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Today I learned that Seventh Day Adventists believe that if you died in sin, your soul is destroyed and that's that. | Jan 17 06:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That effectively makes dying in sin no worse than what atheists think will happen anyway. | Jan 17 06:47 |
| schestowitz | > What is Mozilla wasting money on? They have had a revenue of millions | Jan 17 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > in the past. They must be burning through a lot of it on pointless | Jan 17 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > activities, non-technical staff, sjws, and other counter-productive dead | Jan 17 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > wood if they are running out money so soon. The world needs Thunderbird | Jan 17 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > very much if not also Firefox. | Jan 17 06:52 |
| schestowitz | Without FF it's monoculture. | Jan 17 06:52 |
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| oiaohm | https://www.glassdoor.com.au/Salary/Mozilla-Salaries-E19129.htm mozilla wages are not that low. | Jan 17 07:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla Salaries | Glassdoor.com.au | Jan 17 07:27 | |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/03/4af625b6e3d68bda.png | Jan 17 14:54 |
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| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/03/6cee6255cb0f04cc.jpg | Jan 17 15:36 |
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| *danielp3344 wants a parrot now | Jan 17 15:56 | |
| danielp3344 | <MinceR "https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01"> LOL | Jan 17 15:56 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/03/e61004250e0b17a1.jpg | Jan 17 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | danielp3344: rms wanted one too | Jan 17 17:24 |
| schestowitz | but he travels too muc | Jan 17 17:24 |
| schestowitz | much | Jan 17 17:24 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/648178.jpg | Jan 17 17:28 |
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| danielp3344 | <MinceR "https://hugelolcdn.com/i/648178."> lol thanks! | Jan 17 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://hugelolcdn.com/i/648178 ) | Jan 17 17:42 | |
| scientes | So Firefox is talking about a 4 week release schedule instead of the current 6-8 week one (why?), and yet Firefox for Android is 4 releases behind desktop. | Jan 17 17:59 |
| scientes | Firefox for Android is version 68 (release, beta, and nightly!), while desktop is 72. | Jan 17 17:59 |
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| scientes | somehow Firefox for Android is running ESR | Jan 17 18:00 |
| scientes | oh Current Version | Jan 17 18:01 |
| scientes | Varies with device | Jan 17 18:01 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/648245.jpg | Jan 17 18:29 |
| scientes | MinceR, tiny! http://share.mapbbcode.org/czihp | Jan 17 18:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-share.mapbbcode.org | czihp — MapBBCode Share | Jan 17 18:38 | |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: It's because they're deprecating Fennec. | Jan 17 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The replacement, Fenix, is available under a name "Firefox Preview" right now. | Jan 17 19:37 |
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| XRevan86 | I switched to Fenix, but I don't want much from an Android web browser, so my opinions are not very useful. Someone sends me a link, I open it, Fenix starts fast enough, I check it out and close it. All is fine and well. | Jan 17 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | It doesn't support webext yet, but AdAway is sufficiently fine most of the time, so I can wait. | Jan 17 20:31 |
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| MinceR | does it support any extensions? | Jan 17 20:41 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What other kind of extensions would you expect? | Jan 17 20:41 |
| MinceR | whatever firefox for android did | Jan 17 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: XUL, "JetPack" and then webext | Jan 17 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | Fenix is not based on XUL at all. | Jan 17 20:42 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Intel graphics patch "wrecks" Gen7 iGPU Linux performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133008 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c2e4f4c2-aac6-4aa9-8e4a-04437cb3f53c] | Jan 17 20:49 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz That's what I pointed out yesterday. | Jan 17 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone needs to fork the kernel and drop the patch that turned off GPU power management on Skylake and newer and thr one that fixed this hole on anything older than Skylake. | Jan 17 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fix for this newer one basically has no performance impact on Skylake or newer so I'd say it makes more sense to keep it. | Jan 17 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But half your graphics performance on older chips is not an acceptable trade. | Jan 17 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As for Android web browser, I use Fennec F-Droid. | Jan 17 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It basically does everything Mobile Firefox does except without the various binary components. Not the least of which are the telemetry ones from Google that they shove into every program in the Play store. | Jan 17 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If there's a version of a program in fdroid and play, installing the one from fdroid makes sense because it drops those. | Jan 17 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | Not all developers are even aware that Firebase libraries collect telemetry or that it can be disabled, or even care about that. | Jan 17 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox still matters for many reasons. One of them is that it supports a bunch of operating systems that Chromium will never care about. | Jan 17 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So does WebkitGTK, because GNOME still works on other *nix systems. | Jan 17 21:09 |
| MinceR | yeah, when patched against the will of the gnome developers | Jan 17 21:10 |
| MinceR | though "developer" is a bit of a stretch there | Jan 17 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The BSDs have had to implement so much Linux compatibility stuff that it's ridiculous. | Jan 17 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of it lately is the entire direct rendering manager from Linux because graphics chipset companies don't care about BSD. | Jan 17 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > yeah, when patched against the will of the gnome developers | Jan 17 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | elogind is all it really needs. | Jan 17 21:11 |
| MinceR | elogind is cancer | Jan 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | KDE does too now, I think. | Jan 17 21:12 |
| MinceR | kde is cancer as well | Jan 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they consider X11 legacy like GNOME does. | Jan 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It works, but don't expect that to continue forever. | Jan 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Supporting X11 sessions more than a decade into Wayland is an admission that Wayland does not cover all use cases. This is especially true of Wine. | Jan 17 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wayland's architecture goes so against the way Windows programs work that it's impossible to move Wine to native Wayland, so Xwayland is basically going to be around forever even if X11 sessions are dropped from most desktop environments. | Jan 17 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Normally, you'd say fuck Windows, the design of Windows is horrible, if you can even say it was designed with a straight face. | Jan 17 21:15 |
| MinceR | ironic, considering that all waylandows is about is dumbing down the windowing system, eliminating the modularity of the GUI and in most cases enforcing CSD | Jan 17 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But there are a lot of Windows applications and Wine does make the pain of switching much less severe when people see that 1 or 2 applications they actually do still want Windows for running without Windows. | Jan 17 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR I'm talking about X11 having no security modle and Wayland enforcing itd security model. | Jan 17 21:17 |
| MinceR | waylandows' "security model" being simply "ban all features poettering doesn't personally use and blame 'security'" | Jan 17 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In that way, Windows apps break due to not expecting the window manager to separate them and keep them from spying on each other and hijacking dialog boxes and stuff. | Jan 17 21:17 |
| MinceR | doesn't wine's "emulate a virtual desktop" mode work in waylandows then? | Jan 17 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No. | Jan 17 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It runs under Xwayland and then provides another fake window manager to manage the desktop. | Jan 17 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So now you have two problems. | Jan 17 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Ironically, I need GNOME on X11 because Intel's new Iris driver freezes Wayland session the moment it starts. | Jan 17 21:20 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 17 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And I'm doing some RPG gaming in Wine that needs Direct3D 9 and Windows XP. | Jan 17 21:20 |
| MinceR | you could run a sane DE or WM on X11 instead | Jan 17 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I have it all shimmed up so that it's running on Fedora 31 GNOME on X11, with Iris so I can use Wine 9 to implement native Direct3d 9. | Jan 17 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The game gets natice Direct3d 9 and bypasses the Direct3d<>OpenGL crap. | Jan 17 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is nice because the way shit really goes down with modern cards is the game speaks DirectX 9, gets translated to OpenGL on the CPU by Wine, gets passed to the graphics driver, which tears it all down again, translates it into an Intermediate Representation, and off to the GPU. | Jan 17 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The process of translating OpenGL to an IR is more CPU intensive than either Direct3D 9 to IR to GPU or Direct3d 9 to Vulkan to IR to GPU. | Jan 17 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gallium 9 is still out there but the way things are heading is DKV9 to cut out OpenGL from the pipeline that way. | Jan 17 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You end up clogging the CPU twice the way Wine does DirectX right now. | Jan 17 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | An Iris 540 can do about 10 more fps running Elder Scrolls Oblivion in 4K with Wine 9. | Jan 17 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, 4K resolution for a game from 2006. | Jan 17 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd still recommend running it on X11, MinceR | Jan 17 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because with Xwayland you have to run fullscreen apps at your native resolution, even if it's crazy high and your computer melts down. | Jan 17 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That being said, comparing X11 to Xwayland at 4K, the performance is similar. | Jan 17 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The bottleneck is probably somewhere else. | Jan 17 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wayland makes more sense in that it is better designed. | Jan 17 21:31 |
| MinceR | unfortunately it isn't | Jan 17 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it's also not like X11 at all and X11 has been around since the dawn of time. | Jan 17 21:31 |
| MinceR | the fundamental idea was good, and then they went and fucked everything else up | Jan 17 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, a Wine support module for Wayland compositing managers could bring native Wayland. | Jan 17 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would basically have to implement a security policy under which Wine could operate that doesn't restrict Wine applications from interacting with each other at all. | Jan 17 21:33 |
| MinceR | or they could have implemented a mechanism into waylandows to let the user grant permissions to clients | Jan 17 21:33 |
| MinceR | but just banning screenshots and pointer grab/warp and claiming it's "security" was easier | Jan 17 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There is one. | Jan 17 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Flatpak apps use it, but others can opt in. | Jan 17 21:34 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Godot Engine, Various Games and Google Pursuing Steam Support in Chrome OS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133009 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cc63d118-ad92-42d3-ad6f-24cca24118ea] | Jan 17 21:34 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's how GNOME Web plans to mitigate the attack surface of OpenJPEG | Jan 17 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bubblewrap is on by default in GNOME Web 3.34. | Jan 17 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In most places I read, Michael Catanzaro refused to identify which web caching company was sending Jpeg2000 to Safari and Webkit browsers. | Jan 17 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But in a bug report, he named Akamai. | Jan 17 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My preferred solution would be to just send a recent Chromium user agent and then add "Epiphany" "GNOME" off to the side somewhere. | Jan 17 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR If I was a distribution maintainer, I'd patch Web to report Chromium and then disable OpenJPEG at build time. | Jan 17 21:38 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't | Jan 17 21:38 |
| MinceR | i might not even package it, because fuck gnome | Jan 17 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The odds that anyone crafts attack code just for WebkitGTK is remote but it's out there, and given the shitty code that nobody fixed, one that gets malformed somehow along the way could trigger a crash. | Jan 17 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Ubuntu packaged it, disaboed OpenJPEG so sites broke, and then left an old version with lots of serious bugs in their 18.04 distro even though 4 newer point releases were available in GNOME 3.28. | Jan 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And Michael Catanzaro offered to kick out a 3 28.6 just for them with bugfixes, but "I know you wouldn't package it even if I did.". | Jan 17 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ubuntu is just about the shittiest Linux distribution out there. | Jan 17 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got furious about their shitty Unity crap and tried migrating everything to Kubuntu and managed to rope schestowitz in on that. | Jan 17 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they started breaking KDEx often with Unity patches. | Jan 17 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I gave up and installed Fedora | Jan 17 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought Kubuntu would be the easy option because I'd get all the software that ran on Ubuntu with a sane-ish desktop. | Jan 17 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But Canonical doesn't truly allow their community spins any independence. They force Snapd on them now even if it doubles the minimum RAM requirements of that spin! | Jan 17 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And I had an argument with them that Snap would eventually let malware in because there's not only no review process or real sandbox, but they let random people put in proprietary software too. I got told I was being a Debbie Downer and then literally two weeks later, a bitcoin miner was discovered in Snap Store. | Jan 17 21:45 |
| MinceR | if a distro wanted independence, they wouldn't be using a systemd distro as base anyway | Jan 17 21:46 |
| MinceR | they're getting what they want | Jan 17 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR That Debian resolution about other init systems being allowed was maybe symbolic at this point. | Jan 17 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Systemd is now like 1.4 million lines of code. | Jan 17 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Khtml with KJS was 150,000 lines of code and implemented an entire web browser engine in 2003. | Jan 17 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Webkit is like 29 million lines of code now. | Jan 17 21:50 |
| MinceR | there are other distributions around | Jan 17 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple said they chose KHTML because it was lean and efficient compared with Gecko, but then Apple made Webkit nearly 200 times bigger than KHTML was. | Jan 17 21:51 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It was lean and efficient compared to Gecko but it's certainly not now. | Jan 17 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That being said. Webkit is a real engine that's independent of a browser. | Jan 17 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And Apple is not going to adopt Chromium so they say. | Jan 17 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if Mozilla calls it on Gecko, they ought to adopt Webkit and expand it with open media codecs like WebkitGTK does. | Jan 17 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gecko no longer makes a lot of sense in the way of it costs a fortune to me too all of Chrome's shitty ideas and it doesn't have any pull to compel websites to implement standards anymore. | Jan 17 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Adopting Webkit would be less bad than Blink because reasons. | Jan 17 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a different engine, no Google hooks, you can build a real browser on it that's not skinned Chromium. | Jan 17 21:55 |
| XRevan86 | > it doesn't have any pull to compel websites to implement standards anymore. | Jan 17 21:55 |
| XRevan86 | And WebKit does? | Jan 17 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It puts most of the maintenance burden on Apple, a trillion dollar company. | Jan 17 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Combined with Safari, there's enough users that websites care if it works or not. | Jan 17 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | Not the underdog that can easily get public support | Jan 17 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86 Yeah. When you toss in Mac and iOS, Safari has about 18% | Jan 17 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If Mozilla has 5% left, that's like 23% of browsers that are not just Chrome with a skin. | Jan 17 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it makes more sense to partner with Apple than Google | Jan 17 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla could just add open media codecs and keep using Widevine as their CDM like they are now. | Jan 17 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's Webkit other than that. | Jan 17 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GNOME Web has no plans to implement DRM. | Jan 17 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Technically, you could just ask Google for Widevine and wait, but it's incompatible with the Free Software ideals of the GNOME Web project and the license of the browser itself | Jan 17 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR That's one of the reasons I asked which GPL Web was using before EME was finalized. | Jan 17 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wanted them to say 3 so that they couldn't say "Here's DRM support." later without going back and getting permission from everyone who has a lot of code in it to change the license. | Jan 17 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Youtube and other video sites have been obnoxious, but outright DRM is still Netflix, Hulu, etc which were saying get Silverlight or something before. | Jan 17 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that obviously wasn't better than what we see now. | Jan 17 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DRM aoftware from Google in your browser is not great, but its a much smaller attack surface for malicious websites than Flash or Silverlight. | Jan 17 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Flash had been springing several critical holes every week. | Jan 17 22:04 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't trust crApple to maintain anything, though | Jan 17 22:05 |
| MinceR | they're laughably incompetent | Jan 17 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It looks like Virginia is starting to become Illinois 2. | Jan 17 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Blecth. | Jan 17 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Gimmiedat Party hasn't been in office long enough to triple taxes and create pension funds that are 20% funded, but give them a few years. | Jan 17 22:07 |
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| decnet | yo wassup ? | Jan 17 22:18 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Google is working to bring Steam support to Chrome OS. | Jan 17 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've finally done what Netscape founder Marc Andreesson said he would do. | Jan 17 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Reduce Windows to a set of "poorly debugged device drivers". | Jan 17 22:23 |
| oiaohm | flash was incompatible with free software ideals as well. | Jan 17 22:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The Webkit code isn't really all that bad. | Jan 17 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of that code is build system related. | Jan 17 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It looks like power management for Skylake+ is back on with 5.5-rc6. Maybe I'll just pull that kernel out of Koji and see if it actually works on Fedora 31. | Jan 17 23:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/1/9/1176 | Jan 17 23:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org | LKML: Dave Airlie: [git pull] drm fixes for 5.5-rc6 | Jan 17 23:38 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Fix GitLab issue #846: Restore coarse power gating that was disabled | Jan 17 23:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | by initial RC66 context corruption security fixes." | Jan 17 23:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At my last count, there were at least 41 CVEs that have piled up since I version locked myself at 5.3.10 to avoid my laptop battery killing out twice as fast with Intel's RC 6 disable patch. | Jan 17 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the sooner there's a 5.5 kernel in Fedora 31, the better, because I'm sure as hell not going to remove the version lock until at least most of this mess is fixed. | Jan 17 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Someone from Hungary in another room said there are lines for everything there, even when it makes no sense. | Jan 17 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said: "So what you're saying is that in Hungary the whole country is the Illinois DMV. | Jan 17 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, on a related note, what's the suicide rate?" | Jan 17 23:57 |
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