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XRevan86The "Please, use Bing" Waterfox is pointless?Feb 17 00:06
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DaemonFC[m]Pastor in Rick & Morty (After being made toxic by Rick.): "GOD IS A LIE! WE MADE HIM UP FOR MONEY!" *makes out with another guy*Feb 17 00:16
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XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Sounds like an improvementFeb 17 00:17
*XRevan86 have seen the episode, yes.Feb 17 00:18
DaemonFC[m]He gets unslimed later and says "Ahem, God is real!".Feb 17 00:18
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/134151 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4f8a236d-4f83-4f3e-ba75-a71314e502d9]Feb 17 01:24
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.6-rc2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/134151 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5fa3f5a5-a261-44bb-8d0a-d8fffd386e70]Feb 17 01:27
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DaemonFC[m]Disney asked why I hated that Disney version of I'll Never Fall in Love Again.Feb 17 01:32
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, they changed the lyrics. They used autotune. One of the edits, 'What do you get when you kiss a boy?' sounds creepy and like one of Donald Trump's campaign staff if you sing it as an adult. Pick one."Feb 17 01:32
DaemonFC[m]Errr, Mandy asked meFeb 17 01:32
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tedbox[23:48] <MinceR> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/02/16/2146256/alternative-browser-waterfox-acquired-by-system1Feb 17 01:37
tedboxyeah, we found it outFeb 17 01:38
tedboxthen they admitted itFeb 17 01:38
tedboxbecause they were already exposedFeb 17 01:38
*tedbox is now known as r_schestowitzFeb 17 01:38
DaemonFC[m]I like the guy's admission that it was just a scheme for him to make money as a 16 year old.Feb 17 01:38
DaemonFC[m]Building Firefox -O3 just makes the binary code enormous and overflows the CPU cache on some systems.Feb 17 01:39
DaemonFC[m]Dramatically slowing it down.Feb 17 01:39
r_schestowitzyupFeb 17 01:39
r_schestowitzyou don't need to tell meFeb 17 01:39
r_schestowitzlet me put it like this:Feb 17 01:39
r_schestowitzLiz and I looked into system1Feb 17 01:39
r_schestowitzcompany house showed that they had sold outFeb 17 01:39
r_schestowitzshe did a reddit threadFeb 17 01:40
r_schestowitzthen the guy had to either deny (lie) or come up with some BS storyFeb 17 01:40
r_schestowitzinc. why he kept it secretFeb 17 01:40
DaemonFC[m]The RPM for Firefox 73 is 100 MB , compressed with lzo, and built using as many system libraries as possible.Feb 17 01:40
DaemonFC[m]That's using -O2.Feb 17 01:40
r_schestowitzthis is startpage all over again... same patternFeb 17 01:40
DaemonFC[m]Bundled libs are obviously not fantastic because they won't match what's on your system already.Feb 17 01:41
DaemonFC[m]Fedora switched Firefox to use libjpeg-turbo several years before Mozilla did.Feb 17 01:42
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/matthewokeefe1/status/1226945620801413120?s=20Feb 17 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewokeefe1: @OracleDatabase Reminder: Twitter posts are my opinions only, not Oracle's. FYI if the @OracleDatabase didn't exis… https://t.co/p5k1XmvZQZFeb 17 01:43
r_schestowitzLOL!!Feb 17 01:43
r_schestowitzSee repliesFeb 17 01:43
r_schestowitz"I’m just going to leave this here."Feb 17 01:43
insmodppaThe first few releases of Waterfox scratched the XUL itch but recent versions are just a rebranded Firefox. Most of what it disables can be turned off in about:config.Feb 17 01:46
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I disabled Pocket, the advertisements (snippets, sponsored stories, etc) on the new tab page, DRM, and a bunch of other things.Feb 17 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla claims Widevine runs in a sandbox and that makes it safe.Feb 17 01:48
DaemonFC[m]Like some government agency can't work with Google to figure out a sandbox escape.Feb 17 01:48
DaemonFC[m]If you don't use the Hollyweb....I don't....you won't even care that Widevine is disabled.Feb 17 01:50
DaemonFC[m]Widevine isn't just attack surface, Mozilla just puts it on your computer. They don't even know what it really does.Feb 17 01:50
DaemonFC[m]WebkitGTK 2.26.4 finally fixed forms when a dark theme is applied to GTK.Feb 17 02:14
DaemonFC[m]That's been an ongoing nuisance for a while because it pops up for captive portals.Feb 17 02:14
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DaemonFC[m]Webkit is not exactly the same thing as Blink. It doesn't support Shadow DOM v0 and other stuff.Feb 17 03:00
DaemonFC[m]That's why the Chrome UA can't be given to Youtube with GNOME Web.Feb 17 03:00
DaemonFC[m]It's passed to most Google sites to get rid of the Get Chrome spam and make the site work.Feb 17 03:00
DaemonFC[m]But if you say Chrome, you get an unusable version of Youtube.Feb 17 03:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SwapBhartiya/status/1229136608278040577Feb 17 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: I hate every time I hear the term person of color. If you have a point to make please use the term colorless people… https://t.co/Z7hDIPPWfiFeb 17 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: I hate every time I hear the term person of color. If you have a point to make please use the term colorless people… https://t.co/Z7hDIPPWfiFeb 17 03:13
schestowitz"I hate every time I hear the term person of color. If you have a point to make please use the term colorless people. I don’t need YOU to label me."Feb 17 03:13
schestowitzhe does have a pointFeb 17 03:13
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MinceRlol @ oracle cultistFeb 17 06:18
MinceRobstacle is the worst alleged RDBMS i've ever attempted to useFeb 17 06:19
schestowitzNew: The Scientific Paper Is OutdatedFeb 17 06:21
schestowitz"For the sake of research, their careers, and their mental health, scientists should spend more time developing software." https://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Scientific-Paper-Is/248045Feb 17 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Scientific Paper Is Outdated - The Chronicle of Higher EducationFeb 17 06:21
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19120836Feb 17 06:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectFeb 17 06:48
schestowitzouchFeb 17 06:49
schestowitzbranded stonesFeb 17 06:49
schestowitzgotta be stoned to buy these...Feb 17 06:49
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MinceR:>Feb 17 07:10
MinceR(cat) https://ircz.de/p/19121171Feb 17 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectFeb 17 07:12
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oiaohmMinceR: really oracle is not the worse database I have had to run into.     MS SQL has to have some of the worse ways of writing stored procedures.Feb 17 08:08
schestowitzmicrosoft and oracle are close nowFeb 17 08:48
schestowitzthey cooperate in attacking FOSSFeb 17 08:48
schestowitzThey also have an A-ZUNE allianceFeb 17 08:49
schestowitzI suppose they both view FS as their common enemyFeb 17 08:49
schestowitzso even rivals unite against itFeb 17 08:49
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Education With #moodle and Open-Source Textbooks (Open Access) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/134166 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f54678fb-726b-4585-b660-d76ff9f0ca6d]Feb 17 09:41
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MinceRoiaohm: my life so far has been blissfully free of m$ sqlFeb 17 10:38
MinceRthough it does not surprise me that they could fork ingres and then ruin itFeb 17 10:38
psydreadwhy do people even us M$ SQL?Feb 17 10:47
MinceRbecause they believe in microslothFeb 17 11:02
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR I believe in Microsoft.Feb 17 14:06
DaemonFC[m]That they exist, unfortunately. Feb 17 14:06
DaemonFC[m]I also believe that most people are using spyware from them and are apathetic about it, even as it keeps screwing up their computer and hosing their data.Feb 17 14:06
DaemonFC[m]Well, the car shop just pulled my car into the bay again.Feb 17 14:09
DaemonFC[m]Hopefully something dumb and cheap that just put out a smoke show.Feb 17 14:09
DaemonFC[m]https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/16/politics/parscale-tweet-daytona-500-air-force-one-photo/index.htmlFeb 17 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Air Force One photo deleted by Trump's campaign manager after people point out it's from 2004 - CNNPoliticsFeb 17 14:14
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MinceRthat's not what i meantFeb 17 14:35
DaemonFC[m]I don't see any huge changes in LAME recently.Feb 17 15:13
DaemonFC[m]There's a few patches lines up to fix odd bugs in unusual use cases.Feb 17 15:13
DaemonFC[m]ABR is an odd use case. It basically just gives the encoder some room to play around as long as the overall bitrate doesn't stray much.Feb 17 15:14
DaemonFC[m]But it's still VBR and you're still going to piss of non-compliant MP3 decoders. Some of them are still popular, including Apple's. Feb 17 15:15
DaemonFC[m]Apple uses an incorrect method to determine file seeking that only works right if it's a CBR file.Feb 17 15:16
DaemonFC[m]It actually violates the MP3 ISO specification and they haven't fixed it. It affects every version of OS X and iOS.Feb 17 15:16
DaemonFC[m]It's why MP3 podcasts are usually CBR. If they use VBR, Apple products will seek to a random part of the file instead of where the user meant to go.Feb 17 15:17
MinceRlolFeb 17 15:20
MinceRcrApple shares microshit's view of standards, thenFeb 17 15:20
MinceRin that they're something that happens to other peopleFeb 17 15:20
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft had a buggy MP3 decoder in Windows XP, but it was one that FhG licensed to them that implemented a vague part of the standard in a certain way.Feb 17 15:21
DaemonFC[m]It's hard to call it a bug because it's unclear what the stabdard meant.Feb 17 15:22
DaemonFC[m]But it got replaced with one that interpreted the standard in the more forgiving way in a security update.Feb 17 15:22
DaemonFC[m]There were two ways to interpret a part of the standard. The "bug" was interpreting the standard in an unfortunate way that restricted the use of the bit reservoir.Feb 17 15:23
DaemonFC[m]LAME interpreted the standard the other way. So files that used the bit reservoir in a certain way wouldn't play in a program that used that codec.Feb 17 15:24
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DaemonFC[m]The first solution was to limit the use of the bit reservoir, which wasted about 3% of a 320k frame.Feb 17 16:06
DaemonFC[m]So I backed it out with a fuck XP patch.Feb 17 16:06
DaemonFC[m]Then they came up with a new strategy that wasn't too bad.Feb 17 16:09
DaemonFC[m]0.1% of a 320k frame wasted.Feb 17 16:09
DaemonFC[m]You can easily minimize that by using -V0 insteas of 320k CBR.Feb 17 16:10
DaemonFC[m]Or use MP3Packer on an existing 320k CBR file if you don't have the original.Feb 17 16:10
DaemonFC[m]MP3 Packer turns a CBR into a VBR by rearranging the data to fit in different frame sizes instead of a padded frame.Feb 17 16:13
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DaemonFC[m]All CBR MP3s have wasted bits for padding, but 320k especially because the encoder may not have a use for the entire frame, even with the reservoir. Feb 17 16:13
DaemonFC[m]People who don't know what they're doing use 320k CBR instead of -V0 and end up wasting space for no reason. Feb 17 16:14
DaemonFC[m]For each 1,000 MP3 files, you end up flat out wasting about 800-900 MB of storage space.Feb 17 16:15
DaemonFC[m]CBR is a dumb strategy and the main use for it is to get around bugs in some player.Feb 17 16:16
DaemonFC[m]Apple never used VBR in their AAC files for some reason.Feb 17 16:17
DaemonFC[m]They leaned on the bit reservoir exclusively. Feb 17 16:18
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oiaohmpsydread:   MS SQL TSQL is horrible you don't have limit and other nice things.    But it allows people to code stored procedures in .net CLR simply from visual studio of course these are a total pain to security audit.Feb 17 19:09
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.rt.com/news/449530-newsguard-edge-browser-media-integrated/Feb 17 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No need to install: Microsoft has controversial fake news filter NewsGuard built into mobile browser — RT World NewsFeb 17 19:28
DaemonFC[m]I do actually agree with them that NewsGuard is bullshit and that CNN and others definitely run fake news with clickbait headlines and their own agendas.Feb 17 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Also, most news websites don't clearly distinguish what's an ad or a story. The New York Times lets oil companies write fake news and then puts "sponsored content" in size 2 font somewhere.Feb 17 19:30
oiaohmnewsguard is kind of garbage but there is serous problem.Feb 17 19:32
DaemonFC[m]Meanwhile, tucked away in the bankruptcy filing was the disclosure that the net book value of Moviefone’s intellectual property is estimated to be $4,379,504. That’s just 1.1% of AOL’s $388 million stock deal for Moviefone in 1999, right before the internet bubble burst.Feb 17 19:45
DaemonFC[m]LolFeb 17 19:46
DaemonFC[m]1.1% is better remaining value than most of the deals AOL signed in the late 90s.Feb 17 19:46
DaemonFC[m]They sold ICQ to some Russian company. XRevan86 is probably on it.Feb 17 19:46
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DaemonFC[m]Schestowitz The blog post about Waterfox and system1 went on and on. It was pretty melodramatic. Feb 17 19:47
DaemonFC[m]The guy acted like internet trolls were nailing him to the cross for it.Feb 17 19:47
DaemonFC[m]It's just a shitty fork of Firefox that now has ties to a sleazy advertising company.Feb 17 19:48
DaemonFC[m]He's not violating the source code license. People just shouldn't use it.Feb 17 19:48
DaemonFC[m]He's not an "indie web browser". Anyone with a compiler could do the same stuff.Feb 17 19:49
XRevan86ICQ is owned by Mail.Ru Group, which is owned by Alisher Usmanov.Feb 17 19:49
MinceRdon't you love Imaginary Property with its absurdly inflated alleged value? :>Feb 17 19:54
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XRevan86MinceR: You mean, "useds" as value that can be sold?Feb 17 19:58
MinceRno, things like copyright, trademarks and especially patentsFeb 17 19:59
MinceRand of course especially the most vacuous patents of all, software and business method patentsFeb 17 20:00
XRevan86MinceR: I guess you're not talking about ICQ.Feb 17 20:01
MinceRi was talking about moviefone and aol :>Feb 17 20:03
MinceRhttps://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/02/07/6e231cba82978b0e.mp4Feb 17 20:29
DaemonFC[m]MinceR If you adjust for inflation, Moviefone is only worth about 0.6% of what AOL paid for it in 1999.Feb 17 20:36
DaemonFC[m]Not 1.1%.Feb 17 20:37
DaemonFC[m]Ao we're well below even a penny on the dollar in actual buying power.Feb 17 20:37
DaemonFC[m]AOL spent billions of dollars on dotcom era bullshit.Feb 17 20:38
DaemonFC[m]They said at the time it was all strategic purchases designed to bolster their business, but it all turned to crap. Predictably.Feb 17 20:38
DaemonFC[m]In the case of Winamp, they paid about half a billion for Nullsoft, and fuck, I would have sold it to them and then left if I had been Frankel because most of the profitability was people sending in ten bucks with a thank you card because Windows didn't have a decent way of playing MP3 without it.Feb 17 20:40
DaemonFC[m]For quite a while, I hacked up Winamp to use the old MP3 plugin and then someone made one based on MAD.Feb 17 20:41
DaemonFC[m]They had a bunch of decoder bugs that added annoying artifacts to playback in several versions of Winamp.Feb 17 20:41
DaemonFC[m]A Winamp clone was one of the first things I went looking for on Linux and I found XMMS.Feb 17 20:42
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DaemonFC[m]Frost makes Facebook pretty tolerable.Feb 17 20:51
DaemonFC[m]Keeps them from crawling your phone or getting your location.Feb 17 20:51
MinceRsome of those businesses might have done better without aol's touchFeb 17 20:52
DaemonFC[m]If you must use Facebook, Frost on the phone and Firefox with Facebook Container are the best way to do it.Feb 17 20:52
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Yeah, once he was contractually obligated to stay on ay AOL, Justin Frankel started doing things to get himself fired.Feb 17 20:53
DaemonFC[m]He did gnutella and put it on their server as a way of pissing off corporate.Feb 17 20:53
MinceRlol, i didn't realize that's why he did itFeb 17 20:54
DaemonFC[m]The RIAA had just gotten Napster taken down.Feb 17 20:54
DaemonFC[m]They eventually let jin out of his contract and then he resigned with hundreds of millions of their dollars.Feb 17 20:54
MinceRthey let the jin out of the bottle?Feb 17 20:55
DaemonFC[m]He didn't want to work at AOL, and they didn't want him at that point.Feb 17 20:56
DaemonFC[m]It got him out of his employment contract a few years early with all of the money from selling Nullsoft at 100 times what it was actually worth.Feb 17 20:57
DaemonFC[m]The whole company was worth maybe $5 million. AOL came along with like $550 million.Feb 17 20:57
DaemonFC[m]It was tulip mania like everything else in 1999 involving a website and a vague business plan involving the internet.Feb 17 20:58
DaemonFC[m]AOL managed to claw back some of what it overspent on Netscape by suing Microsoft as Netscape, claiming  that they destroyed Netscape.Feb 17 20:59
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: How do you describe the acquisition of Netscape?Feb 17 20:59
DaemonFC[m]They got like $150 million to go away, and the settlement imposed that the AOL software would always use Internet Explorer, not Gecko.Feb 17 20:59
*XRevan86 was too lateFeb 17 20:59
DaemonFC[m]The dumbest fucking thing I had ever seen.Feb 17 20:59
DaemonFC[m]If AOL had been serious, they could have been what Google is now.Feb 17 21:00
DaemonFC[m]They could have grabbed early Yahoo and bought Netscape much earlier and had an ad company, a browser, and a search engine.Feb 17 21:00
DaemonFC[m]Instead they went on a mostly aimless buying binge turning everything into a shitty portal that nobody used, and blew threw several billion dollars that went up in smoke.Feb 17 21:01
DaemonFC[m]AOL managed to bungle everything it did.Feb 17 21:02
DaemonFC[m]That's why what was left of it is now owned by Verizon. They got it at fire sale prices.Feb 17 21:02
XRevan86There is something beautiful about that though, that these jerks failed.Feb 17 21:09
XRevan86miserablyFeb 17 21:09
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DaemonFC[m]If they had dumped the Winamp money ($550 million) into Netscape, they could have blown Internet Explorer out of the water.Feb 17 22:31
DaemonFC[m]They could have moved into the OS business later with the Java-based Netscape that had been planned.Feb 17 22:32
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MinceRhttps://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/02/06/c213b1b9ff0aab07.mp4Feb 17 22:42
DaemonFC[m]Somehow, stupid people get rich by running huge companies into the ground.Feb 17 22:52
DaemonFC[m]Then they either run for president or become president.Feb 17 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Like Fat Bastard the Angry Cheeto did.Feb 17 22:53
MinceRin general, public companies and the stock market drive thisFeb 17 22:56
MinceRif you can pay dividends and/or increase the price of shares by doing something stupid and short-sighted, shareholders have every incentive to do soFeb 17 22:56
MinceRand not to think beyond 1 year or even lessFeb 17 22:56
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oiaohmMinceR: yep shareholders might only be thinking about the next 15 mins.Feb 17 23:25
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DaemonFC[m]lot of companies stay private if they can just because they can plan long term without shareholders trying to use them as a piggybank.Feb 17 23:59
DaemonFC[m]But some public companies get away with justifying no significant profits while they're expanding. It's rare.Feb 17 23:59
DaemonFC[m]Amazon and Tesla get away with it.Feb 17 23:59

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